Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf, Who Crammed the Nursing Homes with Covid Patients, Presents a Cartoon Fantasy of How Red Flag Laws Work

Dana Loesch
@DLoesch
The very design of red flag laws is to remove due process protections. You forgot to mention that Randy's order was done one-sided in a court process to which he isn't privy, standards of evidence vary, 1/3 of orders are wrongly issued, and Randy foots the bill.

Noted Moronette Alexthechick wrote about just that problem a few days ago.

Like many people, Alexthechick plays a lawyer on Twitter.

Like far fewer people, Alexthechick also plays a lawyer in her day job as a lawyer.

That last part is the tricky part that the Twitter Lawyers usually don't bother with.

alexandriabrown
@alexthechick
Sorta Twitter Law School - let's talk Red Flag Laws and ex parte orders and due process and how anyone who tells you don't worry, the process won't be abused and there are robust due process protections is, at best, wildly naīve and, more likely, is lying to your face.
Your legal vocabulary term for the day is ex parte - this means without party in Lawyer Latin. An ex parte order is one issued without both parties being present. There are valid reasons for this. In matters where time is of the essence, courts need the ability to issue orders.
This is to protect the person, property, or rights of another. To move it out of interpersonal matters, in civil litigation an temporary restraining order may be issued for documents or items to be preserved because the other side might dispose of them before suit can be filed.
Ex parte orders are needed due to human nature. Sometimes things need to be done quickly and courts are not designed for speed. Make no mistake, though. The due process protections for the party against whom the order is issued come into effect after the issuance of the order.
To show the potential issues with Red Flag laws, I shall discuss what happened to a client with the issuance of a protection order against him. He had an ex-wife who was bipolar and who refused to take her meds. She continued to harass him years after their divorce.
She showed up to court with a black eye and said he punched her in the face. She sought a protective order against him, which the judge issued. She also filed a criminal complaint for assault against a woman. The protective order statute requires gun confiscation until hearing.
Client leaned about this when the police showed up to serve him with the order and summons for court appearance. He was stunned by this not only because he didn't hit her but because he was out of the state on the date this supposedly happened. The told the police this.
The police shrugged and said we're just here to serve you and get your guns. That is true. The cops do not adjudicate, they only do what the court says. So he turned over his guns and then got in touch with us later that day. Boss [I assume this means alexthechick's boss at the law firm] and he were long time friends.
Boss told him to get together every bit of documentation about him being out of town, hotel receipts, meal receipts, any video of him at the gathering he was attending, all of it. Boss also got in touch with the DA and said he was out of state, he couldn't have done this.
DA said I'm not dropping this but move to dismiss and we'll hear both motions at the 10 day hearing on the protective order. So we filed the motion to dismiss and motion to consolidate and then Boss went to the hearing. The crazy ex didn't show up to the hearing at all.
Boss presented everything to the judge. Judge told the DA withdraw the charges or I'm dismissing. The DA said fine, I'll withdraw. Now, it's better for the stats on the DAs side to withdraw then to have the case dismissed. Judge also refused to extend the protective order.
Client asked where do I pick up my guns. Judge said you have to go through the paperwork to do that. We'd anticipated that so we had the forms ready and the judge signed the forms. Client said where do I pick them up and judge said this has to be processed, it'll take three weeks
Client also asked the DA when the hearing would be for the ex's perjury charges. The DA said what perjury charges? Client got very upset because it was obviously perjury, he wasn't even in the state, she provably lied, that's perjury. DA said no we don't charge in these cases.
Three weeks go by and client starts calling the sheriff's office to get his guns back. He keeps getting the run around. Boss had to threaten to go back to court to get an order compelling compliance. When client picked up the guns, his Mossberg shotgun was gone.
The sheriff's office initially denied that he even had one, luckily he'd kept a copy of the inventory. It took seven months for him to get reimbursement for the Mossberg. The sheriff's office never did say what happened to it other than there must have been a mix up.
While all of that is going on, client was looking for work. He had two interviews that went well and he was told that he would be offered the job once the background check was done. Both jobs retracted offers after the background check came back.
So we had to get copies of the background checks from the background check services. Sure enough, due to how the database on the state side was maintained, the data scrape pulled the protection order and the charge but the dismissal wasn't showing up yet.
Client now had to decide if he wanted to disclose to a potential employer that, hey, I have a crazy ex who claims false things about me, here's a copy of the dismissal paperwork or if he wanted to wait the five weeks it would take for the dismissals to propagate through the dbase
Also the dismissal paperwork on the criminal charges was marked dismissed due to failure of complaining witness to appear. That said nothing about she lied about this entire thing. Boss had to explain the situation to an employer who, thankfully, listened.
Because they were friends, Boss handled this at a very low rate. It still cost the guy $2,500. If it had been at Boss's standard rate? Well over $10,000. All for something that was an actual lie. But but but alex! Due process! It worked! Sure. In theory, it did.
The protection order was not renewed. The criminal charges were dropped. He got all but one of his guns back. He got a job, eventually. It all worked. Sure it did. All it cost him was $2,500, months of his life, humiliation during interviews, and immense stress. For a lie.
She was never charged with perjury. There was no point in suing her since she didn't have any money. If you think that this won't happen with Red Flag laws, you are suffering from disordered thinking and, hey, isn't that a red flag? /fin

One thing that Matthew McConnauhey mentioned in that overly-praised speech at the White House about red flag laws -- which the media has not seen fit to repeat -- was that we needed prosecution for "abuse of red flag laws," in order to keep the red flag law credible and not just a tool of harassment and abuse.

He mentioned red flag laws and prosecutions for abuse of red flag laws as a package deal. You can't have one without the other.

No one seems to want to have any interest in charging those who perjure themselves to deprive others of their civil rights, though.

So: Pass.

Senate conservatives, which apparently do exist, are pushing back against slender-shouldered gentry liberal John Cornyn and the Democrat Wing of the Republican Caucus, reports Axios:

Frustration inside the Senate GOP conference is boiling among conservatives at the way Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) is handling the bipartisan gun reform negotiations -- putting the man who aspires to succeed Mitch McConnell as Republican leader in a political jam.

Why it matters: Some senators are viewing these negotiations as a test case for how Cornyn would fare as lead negotiator for the party should he replace McConnell one day.
Driving the news: Multiple sources with direct knowledge say the GOP senators who are uneasy about the negotiations include Mike Lee (R-Utah), Rick Scott (R-Fla.), Ted Cruz (R-Texas), Josh Hawley (R-Mo.), Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), Rand Paul (R-Ky.), and Mike Crapo (R-Idaho), among others.
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Between the lines: Several senators feel they've been shut out of the negotiating process and kept in the dark about crucial details, and will be asked to take a politically tough vote without enough time to digest the bill.
One GOP senator, speaking to Axios on the condition of anonymity to be candid about his concerns, branded Cornyn's approach: "Shut up, and vote."
"There's considerable unhappiness in the conference that we seem to be approaching a bill that will unite all the Democrats and divide the Republicans," said another senior Republican with direct knowledge of the internal talks.
The senior Republican mentioned that Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.) asked Cornyn during one lunch, "Are we focusing on gang violence and inner-city murders? And the response was, 'No, we're not focusing on that' ... And more than a few of us wondered why the hell not?"
"It would be prudent, and I think Sen. Cornyn knows this ... it would be prudent to give senators plenty of time to read the bill and research the issues," Kennedy told Axios.

Schumer -- and Cornyn -- want to rush the vote as quickly as possible, allowing for no research, debate, or consideration.

And, as you all know, anyone who rushes you into a decision with long-term irreversible consequences while emotionally bullying you and telling you not to research the facts or examine the legal language is, of course, someone with your very best interests at heart.

The "DECIDE NOW WITHOUT ANY FACTS!" cancel campaigns on Twitter should have taught us that much.

Posted by: Ace at 02:21 PM

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1 *lies in wait for AtC*

Posted by: Giant Face-Sized Spider at June 17, 2022 02:25 PM (ZGrMX)

2 Guns, cold dead fingers, prying.

Some assembly required.

Posted by: 496 at June 17, 2022 02:25 PM (U1eOr)

3 All hail the Empress.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at June 17, 2022 02:25 PM (l8gTz)

4 Other than trying to get Trump and associates, the FED and State are not very interested in pursuing perjury or preceived purjury.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 02:25 PM (ynpvh)

5 At least, before that damn boating incident happened.

Posted by: 496 at June 17, 2022 02:26 PM (U1eOr)

6 Read content, still in top 10...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 02:26 PM (ynpvh)

7 Can we apply red flag rules to legislators? Bad legislation has killed more people that guns ever will. I think we ought to be able to call up the Capitol exchange and have some ingrates removed from office without due process.

Trust me...

Posted by: Orson at June 17, 2022 02:26 PM (0FSDw)

8 The only thing better than the Empress' Twitter Law School here is the dumb liberals who replied only to receive all of the chupacabras.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2022 02:26 PM (ZGrMX)

9 Temporary. Like the J6 gulag?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at June 17, 2022 02:27 PM (hAnpH)

10 A bit girthy even for you Ace...

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 17, 2022 02:27 PM (d+3zv)

11 I live in Kali with it's GVRO's and other restraining orders, and have personal experience with what happens when guns are taken, then when the whole thing is a farce, you try to get them back. The process is the punishment.
Lets do this in every state!

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 02:27 PM (ynpvh)

12 "Governor Wolf, how many drag queens are appropriate for each school? Three or four? Also, how many genders are there? 54 or 57?"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 17, 2022 02:27 PM (LvTSG)

13 I dig chics, but I really dig The Chic.

Posted by: The Biden Abomination What Causes Desolation at June 17, 2022 02:28 PM (jV+aN)

14 It's billable hours all the way down.

Posted by: Archer at June 17, 2022 02:28 PM (gmo/4)

15 12 "Governor Wolf, how many drag queens are appropriate for each school? Three or four? Also, how many genders are there? 54 or 57?"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 17, 2022 02:27 PM (LvTSG)

How many drag queers can dance on the head of a pin?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 02:28 PM (ynpvh)

16 One thing that Matthew McConnauhey mentioned in that overly-praised speech at the White House about red flag laws -- which the media has not seen fit to repeat -- was that we needed prosecution for "abuse of red flag laws," in order to keep the red flag law credible and not just a tool of harassment and abuse.

He mentioned red flag laws and prosecutions for abuse of red flag laws as a package deal. You can't have one without the other.

No one seems to want to have any interest in charging those who perjure themselves to deprive others of their civil rights, though.

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How about charging people for gun crimes? Or any actual crime that isn't a thought crime? How about that?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 17, 2022 02:28 PM (LvTSG)

17 "There's considerable unhappiness in the conference that we seem to be approaching a bill that will unite all the Democrats and divide the Republicans," said another senior Republican with direct knowledge of the internal talks.

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"This is by design, dummies."
-Mitch McConnell, GOP leader

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 17, 2022 02:29 PM (LvTSG)

18 16 How about charging people for gun crimes? Or any actual crime that isn't a thought crime? How about that?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 17, 2022 02:28 PM (LvTSG)

But that would actually do something useful, and the Left can't have that. They need guns to be a problem so they can continue to fix, i.e. confiscate, them.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 02:30 PM (ynpvh)

19 I thought Cornyn was done, out in 2024 and not running again? Even for an America dumbed down beyond recognition, in which a GOP degraded down beyond recognition has rendered parody impossible, how the F can Mr Juneteenth, the poster boy for stupid, craven, politically inept, dangerously useless waste of oxygen that is Cornyn even be humorously floated as a "leader"?

Leaving aside for the moment the fact that McConnell is a "leader".

Posted by: rhomboid at June 17, 2022 02:30 PM (OTzUX)

20 >>>10 A bit girthy even for you Ace...

the ample swell was mostly provided by alexthechick

Posted by: ace at June 17, 2022 02:30 PM (AkbRF)

21
As we talked about in the podcast, they can seize a lot more than guns with red flag laws.

Disapprove of Jive Kampf and child transexual brainwashing in schools? You are a potential terrorist and they'll take your guns AND your children.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2022 02:30 PM (s2VJv)

22 20 >>>10 A bit girthy even for you Ace...

the ample swell was mostly provided by alexthechick

Posted by: ace at June 17, 2022 02:30 PM (AkbRF)

LOL, is Alex aware of that?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 02:31 PM (ynpvh)

23 20 >>>10 A bit girthy even for you Ace...

the ample swell was mostly provided by alexthechick
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2022 02:30 PM (AkbRF)

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And we don't even get the #VictoryTits.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 17, 2022 02:31 PM (LvTSG)

24 How about charging people for gun crimes? Or any actual crime that isn't a thought crime? How about that?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 17, 2022 02:28 PM (LvTSG)

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You wanna dance with me?

Posted by: Disparate impact at June 17, 2022 02:31 PM (U1eOr)

25 I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that the same people who revved up BLM two years ago over the perceived unjust treatment received by black people from law enforcement now want to give law enforcement the right to just basically show up at your door step on somebody's say-so and demand all your firearms.

Has Joe Biden solved that whole 'unjust treatment of minorities by police' already and I just didn't notice?

Or is it a case of "Haha this will just be used on Sam Suburban and they won't DARE stop by Harry Hoodrat's house. DEI, baby! The fix is IN!"

I'm going with answer number two.

Posted by: William F. "Buck" Dharma at June 17, 2022 02:31 PM (oedLL)

26 My enthusiasm and impatience for the Red Tsunami is testing my limits. I mean, I can't wait for January 2023.

The GOP will be taking over Congress, right?

The opposition party, right?

Posted by: rhomboid at June 17, 2022 02:31 PM (OTzUX)

27 I've got an elegant way to reform our gun laws to end almost all crimes committed with guns...and it really is one simple trick.

No one that has ever voted for a Democrat for president may own a gun.

See? We take guns away from criminals, and we don't violate anyone else's rights.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2022 02:31 PM (ESjRY)

28 Guns?

What guns?

Nothing here, officers. Nothing at all.

Thanks for serving the Red Flag Order on me.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 17, 2022 02:32 PM (iedEn)

29 Politicians never solve problems that keep them in office.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 02:32 PM (ynpvh)

30 Red flag laws will be the end of gun rights. We've seen how due process works with the Jan 6 protesters.

You'll have to hire some expensive law firm to ever own a gun in this country if you get sideways with anyone.

It will also "shut up" conservatives because they will be combing social media for evidence.

Cornyn is a fucking idiot if he goes along with any of this.

Posted by: Victory at June 17, 2022 02:32 PM (3dm+3)

31 26 My enthusiasm and impatience for the Red Tsunami is testing my limits. I mean, I can't wait for January 2023.

The GOP will be taking over Congress, right?

The opposition party, right?
Posted by: rhomboid at June 17, 2022 02:31 PM (OTzUX)

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I just want a red wave give enough to kick Governor Wolf out of the PA governor's mansion.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 17, 2022 02:32 PM (LvTSG)

32
Who does the willowing come for?
The willowing came for me.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2022 02:32 PM (8GBH4)

33 Does Cornyn know he's decided to retire?

Posted by: Eeyore at June 17, 2022 02:32 PM (R0Tis)

34 >>>No one that has ever voted for a Democrat for president may own a gun.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2022 02:31 PM (ESjRY)

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Well that puts me in a tough spot. I voted for McCain, you see...

Posted by: 496 at June 17, 2022 02:32 PM (U1eOr)

35 The "DECIDE NOW WITHOUT ANY FACTS!" cancel campaigns on Twitter should have taught us that much.

Posted by: Ace at 02:21 PM

Corollary to the Malig-Nancy Pelosi Theorem:

We have to construct the concentration camps before knowing who's in them.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2022 02:33 PM (s2VJv)

36 "It would be prudent, and I think Sen. Cornyn knows this ... it would be prudent to give senators plenty of time to read the bill and research the issues," Kennedy told Axios."

You mean the way the Senate was intended to work? What a rebel that Kennedy is!

Posted by: RobertM at June 17, 2022 02:33 PM (qWhQP)

37 I put up a jpg version of the AtC rant on the twitter thread.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 17, 2022 02:33 PM (44ww/)

38 TJM, my sarcasm wasn't crude and heavy enough?

Posted by: rhomboid at June 17, 2022 02:33 PM (OTzUX)

39 Greetings:

For me the analogy comes from my beloved "Judge Judy" who used to come down pretty hard on those who made false child abuse and/or domestic violence charges to get their way in their circumstances.

Those employed in those bureaus have a rather low level of interest in such incidents.

Posted by: 11B40 at June 17, 2022 02:33 PM (uuklp)

40 36 "It would be prudent, and I think Sen. Cornyn knows this ... it would be prudent to give senators plenty of time to read the bill and research the issues," Kennedy told Axios."

You mean the way the Senate was intended to work? What a rebel that Kennedy is!

Posted by: RobertM at June 17, 2022 02:33 PM (qWhQP)

It's amazing that a multi-1000 page bill can just suddenly get whipped up after a tragedy like Uvalde. It's almost like they were waiting for it to happen...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 02:34 PM (ynpvh)

41 36 "It would be prudent, and I think Sen. Cornyn knows this ... it would be prudent to give senators plenty of time to read the bill and research the issues," Kennedy told Axios."

You mean the way the Senate was intended to work? What a rebel that Kennedy is!
Posted by: RobertM at June 17, 2022 02:33 PM (qWhQP)

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Deliberation and consideration while taking feedback from constituents is fascism. Democracy is a detached elite quickly passing huge, unreadable laws that give the federal government unprecedented power over every aspect of life without any input from the people.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 17, 2022 02:34 PM (LvTSG)

42 Why not this scenario as well?

Woman is afraid of her ex-husband but can't get protection against him so she buys a handgun to protect herself.
Crazy ex-husband gets anti-gun cop to request that her gun be taken away.
Woman's gun is taken away.
Crazy ex-husband proceeds to beat-up, rape or kill woman.

Posted by: 29Victor at June 17, 2022 02:34 PM (BJKQV)

43 Ace Gun Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2022 02:34 PM (0IeYL)

44 38 TJM, my sarcasm wasn't crude and heavy enough?
Posted by: rhomboid at June 17, 2022 02:33 PM (OTzUX)

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I understood your sarcasm. I just responded with my genuine wish that the red wave does appear and makes changes at the state level.

The Fed GOP is a wasteland and will do nothing positive. It may prevent negative things from happen, but that's the most we can hope for.

Positive action can only come, at this point, from the state level. If we're going to have a red wave, I want it to have positive effects.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 17, 2022 02:35 PM (LvTSG)

45 How come we never talk about common sense gub control?

Posted by: Woody Allen at June 17, 2022 02:35 PM (U1eOr)

46 AtC's thread needs to be provided for comment for every proponent of red flag laws. What recourse does somebody who is falsely accused have to restore their name, be made whole (in terms of time and money spent in their defense), and to punish/deter false accusations?

If they cannot provide concrete steps to rectify these problems, then to hell with them. And no, "Well, that's a rare occurrence" is not an acceptable response.

Further, the return of weapons need to be as quick as the seizing of the weapons. If a weapon is lost or takes longer than is allowable, then the police chief needs to be held personally liable for compensation, and is barred from being reimbursed by the department.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at June 17, 2022 02:35 PM (a/dOO)

47 42 Why not this scenario as well?

Woman is afraid of her ex-husband but can't get protection against him so she buys a handgun to protect herself.
Crazy ex-husband gets anti-gun cop to request that her gun be taken away.
Woman's gun is taken away.
Crazy ex-husband proceeds to beat-up, rape or kill woman.

Posted by: 29Victor at June 17, 2022 02:34 PM (BJKQV)

Gun waiting laws do the same thing. Woman has crazy ex, she tries to get a gun, must (in Kali) pass tests, get certificate, then wait before she can take posession of gun she bought. Nothing bad EVER happens in that scenario.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 02:36 PM (ynpvh)

48 I can't wait until we are rid of Emperor Wolf

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2022 02:36 PM (2JoB8)

49 Crazy ex-husband proceeds to beat-up, rape or kill woman.

See, that's why I like these laws.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at June 17, 2022 02:36 PM (ESjRY)

50 I thought Cornyn was done, out in 2024 and not running again? Even for an America dumbed down beyond recognition, in which a GOP degraded down beyond recognition has rendered parody impossible, how the F can Mr Juneteenth, the poster boy for stupid, craven, politically inept, dangerously useless waste of oxygen that is Cornyn even be humorously floated as a "leader"?

Leaving aside for the moment the fact that McConnell is a "leader".

Posted by: rhomboid at June 17, 2022 02:30 PM (OTzUX)

It's a complete mystery, fat...about the thing. You know, the thing!

Posted by: Senile Joe at June 17, 2022 02:36 PM (5NkmN)

51 Interesting by alexthechick. I may be changing my view on funding for Red Flag laws.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at June 17, 2022 02:36 PM (vcv8B)

52 I lump Red Flag Laws in with Asset Forfeiture Laws. Tools of oppression, monetized.

Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2022 02:36 PM (Vr12I)

53 You know there's NEVER going to be any sort of penalty for falsely filing a red flag.

Just like women can roll into divorce court with all sorts of absurd allegations or accuse a guy falsely of rape and NOTHING will ever happen to her.

Posted by: Victory at June 17, 2022 02:36 PM (3dm+3)

54 This is how Republicans "compromise." They only give in to some of the demands of Democrats.

Is there anything in this about allowing teachers to carry in schools? Anything about single entrance schools? Anything about getting rid of gun-free zones?

Posted by: 29Victor at June 17, 2022 02:36 PM (BJKQV)

55 I just want a red wave give enough to kick Governor Wolf out of the PA governor's mansion.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 17, 2022 02:32 PM (LvTSG)

He's term limited, thank heavens.

Posted by: Thrawn at June 17, 2022 02:37 PM (Rl7KJ)

56 45 How come we never talk about common sense gub control?

Posted by: Woody Allen at June 17, 2022 02:35 PM (U1eOr)

Nobody in Gov't wants that. The Constitution be damned.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 02:37 PM (ynpvh)

57 Ace Gun Thread!
Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2022 02:34 PM (0IeYL)

They're not guns. They're cordless hole punches.

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at June 17, 2022 02:37 PM (zB/T/)

58 If we had an opposition party they would be asking their Democrat colleagues on the floor of the Senate how women are supposed to protect themselves from Bill Clinton if Bill can take their right to own a gun away.

Make it personal.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2022 02:37 PM (ESjRY)

59 Sorry. Bad canoe accident last week.

Posted by: Jane at June 17, 2022 02:37 PM (v0R5T)

60 That cartoon example skips all the problems AtC outlines, and it's still horrifying. Randy posts pictures of guns and cryptic messages, and that's enough to have his guns taken.

In a sane world, people would look at that and say, "THAT'S ALL IT TAKES!?!"

What the hell are cryptic messages? Did Randy vague post about "taking these babies out?" Did Randy say he was going to go LARP "Innawoods?" Did he say "people were going to pay," meaning he was selling his guns and the total sum of money was a lot?

Posted by: bonhomme at June 17, 2022 02:37 PM (kDGvA)

61 Just like women can roll into divorce court with all sorts of absurd allegations or accuse a guy falsely of rape and NOTHING will ever happen to her.
Posted by: Victory at June 17, 2022 02:36 PM (3dm+3)
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MGTOW is not entirely without merits.

Posted by: 496 at June 17, 2022 02:37 PM (U1eOr)

62 Important note: dems pushed a wave of state laws 2-4 years ago giving blanket immunity to officials and state employees for improper/fraudulent red flag seizures, as well as failing to act on legit requests.

Fuck all these people, we are not voting our way out of this.

Make sure you have arms where they can't be seized.

Posted by: somedood at June 17, 2022 02:37 PM (zNcSj)

63 All hail the Empress.
Posted by: Lance McCormick

Seconded !

Posted by: JT at June 17, 2022 02:37 PM (arJlL)

64 > Sorry. Bad canoe accident last week.

Gun buyback is a better story.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 17, 2022 02:37 PM (kDGvA)

65 Zombie Double Cop Murderer Justin William Flores just emailed from Hell to say:

"Red Flag Laws, puta? If I didn't have the barbed cock of Satan stuck all the way up my ass and out my mouth, I'd laugh!"

Posted by: Sharkman at June 17, 2022 02:37 PM (iedEn)

66 Said this morning heard about someone I know was thrown out of house by his wife ( kids are still living there) and his firearms have been confiscated.

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2022 02:38 PM (2JoB8)

67 This man should be hanging from a lamppost.

Posted by: Puddinhead at June 17, 2022 02:38 PM (C7jzY)

68 How about, instead of "discomfort", the useless GOP engage in politics and public education, for once?

About how "red flag" laws, which are completely unworkably unconstitutional, would if enacted have virtually no impact on violent crime committed with firearms?

About how 99% of such violent crime is committed with illegally obtained firearms, used by long-time felons, or idiotic youthful gang bangers?

You know - berate the idiot Dems with this, non-stop? The stupid POS Schumer slandered every normal knowledgeable American - and inconsequentially, the garbage known as the GOP caucus - after Uvalde. Out of order, on the Senate floor. With zero GOP response AFAIK.

Are GOP voters *so* ignorant, lazy, and stupid that this is what they think amounts to representation? All signs point to yes.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 17, 2022 02:39 PM (OTzUX)

69 Seems there was a whole revolutionary war over gun confiscation.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2022 02:39 PM (8GBH4)

70 And anyone relying on the Supreme Court to fix a bad law is delusional.

NYC has basically outlawed pistols for the last 50+ years and they are just NOW getting around to slapping them down on it. Maybe.

Posted by: Victory at June 17, 2022 02:39 PM (3dm+3)

71 When they come to me for safety, I will just say 'I have no way to protect you from savages because you took my gun. Here's a Social Worker Tutorial.'

Posted by: Eromero at June 17, 2022 02:39 PM (gktX6)

72 Last thread proved Leftists are not looking for gun control for everyone, only those who might be opposed to them.

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2022 02:39 PM (2JoB8)

73 Another problem with Red Flag Laws: Judges will always be inclined to approve the petition. Judges don't want to be wrong and have a guilty conscience and be blamed for a person being killed or wounded, if the subject of the Red Flag petition does later shoot the petitioner, using a gun the judge could have ordered seized.

Posted by: It's a Racket! at June 17, 2022 02:40 PM (AMIL/)

74 Who does the willowing come for?
The willowing came for me.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2022 02:32 PM (8GBH4)
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Therefore, send not to know for whom the thread willows
It willows for thee.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at June 17, 2022 02:40 PM (aaGzp)

75 In real-life Jane will intentionally social media befriend gun owners and will make it her life's mission to report them to the police to get their guns taken away. If she lives in a district with police and judges that agree she will disarm lots of people and force gun owners online to stop talking about their guns and their rights to own them.

Posted by: 29Victor at June 17, 2022 02:40 PM (BJKQV)

76 Other things that an opposition would be working on:

Cops can't carry any weapons it is illegal for normies to carry in their jurisdiction and must file all the same paperwork.

Any illegal alien found with a gun is a capital crime

Any federal agent that spurred a murderer is also guilty of murder (looking at you Armand)

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2022 02:40 PM (ESjRY)

77 I see these laws being used by stalkers to disarm their prey. It's going to get ugly.

Posted by: InCali at June 17, 2022 02:40 PM (jZOLv)

78 After reading content, the girthiness was warranted.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 17, 2022 02:41 PM (d+3zv)

79 Just so we're clear:

John Cornyn needs to be voted out of office the next time he has to face a primary.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at June 17, 2022 02:41 PM (UNQS9)

80 Puddinhead I would settle for upside down from a bridge over the Susquehanna

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2022 02:41 PM (2JoB8)

81 66 Said this morning heard about someone I know was thrown out of house by his wife ( kids are still living there) and his firearms have been confiscated.

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2022 02:38 PM (2JoB

I know of a case in Kali where a restraining order (total BS) was used to kick a guy out, but before that happened, the sheriff came, and gave the guns to his son WITHOUT verifying he was even allowed to have firearms or not, and NOT making sure they were secured in his car trunk correctly (they were not; ammo still in magazines in the weapons). Kinda reminds me of the episode of the Simpsons where Homer and Barney were coming back from the Duff Beer factory, and Homer was arrested for drunk driving, so the town drunk Barney drives off in Homer's car, allowed to by the police.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 02:41 PM (ynpvh)

82 The constitution is toilet paper, obviously has been for a while, ditto common sense, and anything resembling an historically American sensibility about almost anything.

But in the laughable shambles of a husk of an inertial landscape that remains of the American order, how the F do "red flag" laws withstand even a cursory judicial glance?

Posted by: rhomboid at June 17, 2022 02:41 PM (OTzUX)

83 Serious question here: if the police come and say " give us your guns" and you go to a closet and say " what the hell, where are they? I never use them, and they're gone!" What would happen then?

Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2022 02:41 PM (Vr12I)

84 Not that I'm surprised, but the outline for this bill has changed.

I thought it was 18-20 year olds with a juvenile record could be red flagged? Now it's EVERYONE in the US is subject to red flag laws based on any allegation?

Posted by: Victory at June 17, 2022 02:42 PM (3dm+3)

85 I wish Wolf would have worked Tarzan somewhere into his Jane flow chart.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at June 17, 2022 02:42 PM (TNyrE)

86 AtC FTW

Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at June 17, 2022 02:42 PM (y7DUB)

87 For all the "Red Flags are NBD" people, how about a parallel?

How about ex parte orders to commit people to an psych ward "temporarily?" Do you see any potential issues there? Maybe Tom Wolfe can sell it with a little cartoon about Jane posting cryptic messages that are out of character. Jane's stalker ex uses the opportunity to hurt Jane. A judge issues an ex parte order to stick Jane in a ward.

Jane then has to spend money from inside a psych ward because her Mom died and she was feeling lost.

Cool beans? There's due process and everything!

Posted by: bonhomme at June 17, 2022 02:42 PM (kDGvA)

88 Serious question here: if the police come and say " give us your guns" and you go to a closet and say " what the hell, where are they? I never use them, and they're gone!" What would happen then?

In this hypothetical are you a Democrat or a Republican? Because it matters.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2022 02:43 PM (ESjRY)

89 87 For all the "Red Flags are NBD" people, how about a parallel?

How about ex parte orders to commit people to an psych ward "temporarily?"
Posted by: bonhomme at June 17, 2022 02:42 PM (kDGvA)

Have that in Kali too...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 02:43 PM (ynpvh)

90 Cryptic message: below lies 2 million pounds

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at June 17, 2022 02:44 PM (eGTCV)

91 66 Said this morning heard about someone I know was thrown out of house by his wife ( kids are still living there) and his firearms have been confiscated.
Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2022 02:38 PM (2JoB

Never ever leave. Kick her out or wait until divorce is finalized and the house is split if she won't go. And never ever let the wife take the kids or anything else.

Family courts *love* the bullshit argument "it's the status quo now - she gets the house and the kids".

Posted by: quantum mechanic at June 17, 2022 02:44 PM (vcv8B)

92 Guy gets shot in Maryland as police attempt to remove guns from home due to red flag law. There are other details, not clear from the news report. What struck me though was that this happened at 5:17AM. Who is fully rational at 5:17AM? I'm putting the responsibility on the cops in this case.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 17, 2022 02:44 PM (fs1hN)

93 I play the invisible man on twitter.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2022 02:44 PM (8GBH4)

94 88 Serious question here: if the police come and say " give us your guns" and you go to a closet and say " what the hell, where are they? I never use them, and they're gone!" What would happen then?

In this hypothetical are you a Democrat or a Republican? Because it matters.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2022 02:43 PM (ESjRY)

In Kali, you would be arrested for not telling the police in a "reasonable" timeframe that you're guns are missing.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 02:44 PM (ynpvh)

95 89 87 For all the "Red Flags are NBD" people, how about a parallel?

How about ex parte orders to commit people to an psych ward "temporarily?"
Posted by: bonhomme at June 17, 2022 02:42 PM (kDGvA)

Have that in Kali too...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 02:43 PM (ynpvh)

This was a common practice in the Soviet Union.

Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2022 02:44 PM (Vr12I)

96 I admire and appreciate AtC's ferocity in stamping out stupidity.

Posted by: Emmie at June 17, 2022 02:44 PM (6RgRK)

97 83 Serious question here: if the police come and say " give us your guns" and you go to a closet and say " what the hell, where are they? I never use them, and they're gone!" What would happen then?

They'll have a warrant to search for them.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at June 17, 2022 02:45 PM (vcv8B)

98 93 I play the invisible man on twitter.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2022 02:44 PM (8GBH4)

I read that as "I play the invisible man on Twister". Well, how would you know he's not cheatin'?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 02:45 PM (ynpvh)

99 > Serious question here: if the police come and say " give us your guns" and you go to a closet and say " what the hell, where are they? I never use them, and they're gone!" What would happen then?

Lol. The police are coming to take your guns. They're going to bring SWAT to do a no-knock raid at 3am because they're twitchy and want to catch you unawares. They're not going to stand politely outside and wait. They're going to tear your house apart looking for everything.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 17, 2022 02:45 PM (kDGvA)

100 "Decide now without any facts" seems to be a recurring theme on the left.

Posted by: Emmie at June 17, 2022 02:45 PM (6RgRK)

101 In Texas, which is hardly a hotbed of liberalism, taking away guns is a standard provision of all protective orders (family-violence, stalking, harassment), even in cases that involve no actual violence or threat of it (e.g., harassment by repeated phone calls). The lack of due process is an issue at the ex parte stage, but it's so much worse than that. Sure, you get a relatively quick hearing afterward that is not ex parte, but (1) it's a civil suit, so you don't get standard criminal-law protections; (2) standard is preponderance of the evidence, which as a practical matter usually boils down to: who does the judge find more credible, the person seeking the order or the target; (3) because its almost always a credibility determination, there's effectively not much in the way of appellate oversight (appellate courts defer to trial court credibility determinations); (4) there is enormous bias/political favor in these cases (no judge wants to be wrong and not impose one of these orders where needed). The whole process is not anything like what average joes think court proceedings are like.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 17, 2022 02:46 PM (ppBhU)

102 If you want a order without a hearing, post a bond backed by a bonding company. I am sure Kamala Harris's friends will fund this just like they posted bonds for rioters.

Posted by: tmitsss at June 17, 2022 02:46 PM (f/L+y)

103 Maybe the FBI and local LE that is "watching" these crazy-ass people with prior histories making constant threats a priority before we enable red flag laws on regular folks? Seems to me that 90% of the mass shootings were entirely preventable.

But I suppose that's not as much fun as going after some guy because they found a social media picture of him with a MAGA hat on 5 years ago. Like Ace said, the ones on watchlists are their voting base.

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at June 17, 2022 02:46 PM (zB/T/)

104 100 "Decide now without any facts" seems to be a recurring theme on the left.

Posted by: Emmie at June 17, 2022 02:45 PM (6RgRK)

and Deem & Pass, or as i called it, Demon Pass.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 02:46 PM (ynpvh)

105 Shall not be infringed.

Criminals cannot obtain guns in jail. Not in jail? Then you have Constitutional rights.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at June 17, 2022 02:46 PM (3Or4S)

106 Ex Parte
FISA court Carter Page surveillance warrants. Plural x 4

All based on lies to the court. Court was okay with the lies because they were in on the con...it was going to get the goods on Trump who was a stooge of the clever poo Tin.

Posted by: torabora at June 17, 2022 02:47 PM (3fLhj)

107 99

Lol. The police are coming to take your guns. They're going to bring SWAT to do a no-knock raid at 3am because they're twitchy and want to catch you unawares. They're not going to stand politely outside and wait. They're going to tear your house apart looking for everything.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 17, 2022 02:45 PM (kDGvA)

So - Stasi.Check.

Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2022 02:47 PM (Vr12I)

108 How come we never talk about common sense gub control?
Posted by: Woody Allen

Too busy going round and round with near-incest like behavior.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 17, 2022 02:47 PM (Msys3)

109 Excellent, excellent thread by ATC there.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2022 02:47 PM (0zQHa)

110 Twitter banning - 1st Amendment red flag law.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at June 17, 2022 02:47 PM (3Or4S)

111 That flow chart needs an if: leftist -> you're fine, enemy of left -> disarm & execute

Posted by: banana Dream at June 17, 2022 02:47 PM (WM5vz)

112 Lol. The police are coming to take your guns. They're going to bring SWAT to do a no-knock raid at 3am because they're twitchy and want to catch you unawares. They're not going to stand politely outside and wait. They're going to tear your house apart looking for everything.
Posted by: bonhomme
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The boating accident meme gives people a false sense of security.

And if you ever do use these "illegal" weapons to protect your home and family, then what are you going to say?

What Dems really want is to basically make all of their political enemies criminals and as soon as they step out of line, start enforcing these laws.

Its not going to be a round up door to door imo. They dont need that.

Posted by: Victory at June 17, 2022 02:48 PM (3dm+3)

113 Look, you have to employ heuristics in the disinfo era.

HAS the New York media put out an opinion on gun control?

THEN it supports tyranny. Oppose it at all costs.

This is really easy if you want it to be.

Posted by: trev006 at June 17, 2022 02:48 PM (dO8L8)

114 Facts are racist

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 17, 2022 02:48 PM (kf6Ak)

115 101
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 17, 2022 02:46 PM (ppBhU)

I've had two attempted TRO's against me by family. Each time in court, I won, as there was no proof of harrassment (you can't harass if you have no contact, outside of legal and court). I'd tell you details, but someone out there might be able to figure out who I am...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 02:48 PM (ynpvh)

116 I mentioned a week or two ago that McConaughey was well intentioned but naive, this is what I meant by that. Guy thinks that both sides would actually give something up, in a compromise, but 50+ years of lawfare says otherwise.

Posted by: CppThis at June 17, 2022 02:48 PM (UewuT)

117 I see these laws being used by stalkers to disarm their prey. It's going to get ugly.
Posted by: InCali

That is insane! The Red Flags protect the little women from the big bad guys and AtC's lesson was completely fabricated.
/s

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 17, 2022 02:49 PM (d+3zv)

118 One thing that Matthew McConnauhey mentioned in that overly-praised speech at the White House about red flag laws -- which the media has not seen fit to repeat -- was that we needed prosecution for "abuse of red flag laws," in order to keep the red flag law credible and not just a tool of harassment and abuse.
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Bullshit. The protection is due process. Even when you have due process - as ATC's rant describes - it can still be a shit show. When you don't have due process, there is no way to keep it "credible." Credibility is a dead letter, immediately. What other laws do we have where there is a built-in due process violation but with "strong safeguards" and "rigorous procedures" in place to prevent abuse?

Oh, that's right, FISA. With all of those safeguards and procedures, FISA isn't abused, right? And if it is abused, you have some recourse against the abuser, right?

RIGHT?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2022 02:49 PM (0zQHa)

119 92 Guy gets shot in Maryland as police attempt to remove guns from home due to red flag law. There are other details, not clear from the news report. What struck me though was that this happened at 5:17AM. Who is fully rational at 5:17AM? I'm putting the responsibility on the cops in this case.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 17, 2022 02:44 PM (fs1hN)

If these were "reasonable" red flag laws that wouldn't treat the innocent like a perp. Gonna be lit AF when the cops shoot some black dude when they take his guns away at 430Am. See everyone thinks it's only old white dudes gonna get flagged.... or do they know something I don't. Nah it'll be alright.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 17, 2022 02:50 PM (0Qrr3)

120 71 When they come to me for safety, I will just say 'I have no way to protect you from savages because you took my gun. Here's a Social Worker Tutorial.'
Posted by: Eromero at June 17, 2022 02:39 PM (gktX6)

Eromero is based.

(Thanks for your response in the prior thread. I'm always interested in whether my meaning was successfully communicated and if I'm on target or off my rocker.)

Posted by: Emmie at June 17, 2022 02:50 PM (6RgRK)

121 "There's considerable unhappiness in the conference that we seem to be approaching a bill that will unite all the Democrats and divide the Republicans," said another senior Republican with direct knowledge of the internal talks.
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The hell you say.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2022 02:50 PM (0zQHa)

122 Criminals cannot obtain guns in jail. Not in jail? Then you have Constitutional rights.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at June 17, 2022 02:46 PM (3Or4S)

They are trying to make this side of the bars more welcoming for the people on the wrong side.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 17, 2022 02:50 PM (44ww/)

123 Posted by: quantum mechanic at June 17, 2022 02:44 PM
They way I heard it went down it was forced removal

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2022 02:50 PM (2JoB8)

124 If you want to let Cornyn know how you feel about his negotiations call his Houston office. Don't bother with the DC office. They never pick up the phone.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 17, 2022 02:50 PM (Bq7US)

125 >>> Twitter banning - 1st Amendment red flag law.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at June 17, 2022 02:47 PM (3Or4S)

That's interesting actually. If the 2nd is up for grabs then why not the 1st. Shouldn't any reporter or media outlet be instantly shut down if someone complains? Of course, they'd agree saying "that's a great idea" because like the red flag laws the left controls enforcement.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 17, 2022 02:51 PM (WM5vz)

126 Define:

Erratic: Anyone the left disagrees with.

Cryptic: Any messaging that the left disagrees with.

Simple.

Posted by: Cheri at June 17, 2022 02:51 PM (oiNtH)

127 Government loves due process as much as they hate Civil Asset Forfeiture...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 02:51 PM (ynpvh)

128 And, as you all know, anyone who rushes you into a decision with long-term irreversible consequences while emotionally bullying you and telling you not to research the facts or examine the legal language is, of course, someone with your very best interests at heart.
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Q. What do time shares, crappy used cars and legislation all have in common?

A. These sales techniques.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2022 02:51 PM (0zQHa)

129 Due Process is not "call the cops and they SWAT you" it involves a judicial decision.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2022 02:51 PM (llsW/)

130 "We have to shut up, vote and pass the bill before to find out what's it." -- Nancy Cornyn

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 17, 2022 02:51 PM (WGDUh)

131 Everything Brandon says is cryptic.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 17, 2022 02:51 PM (44ww/)

132 Paraphrasing a post at Penny Arcade the other day: When considering a tool, and its uses, imagine it in the hand of your worst enemy, with the sharpest part of it pressed against your neck.

Posted by: hpl at June 17, 2022 02:51 PM (vOsjD)

133 100 "Decide now without any facts" seems to be a recurring theme on the left.

Posted by: Emmie at June 17, 2022 02:45 PM (6RgRK)

I don't have all the facts but the police acted stupidly.

Posted by: The Lightbringer at June 17, 2022 02:51 PM (4I/2K)

134 Also Red Flag is creepy pre-crime crap: punishing someone for acting in a way someone doesn't like because you fear they might commit a crime.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2022 02:52 PM (llsW/)

135 Define:
Erratic: Anyone the left disagrees with.
Cryptic: Any messaging that the left disagrees with.

Simple.
Posted by: Cheri at June 17, 2022 02:51 PM (oiNtH)
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Erratic == Evil
Cryptic == Disinformation

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2022 02:52 PM (0zQHa)

136 122 Criminals cannot obtain guns in jail. Not in jail? Then you have Constitutional rights.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at June 17, 2022 02:46 PM (3Or4S)

They are trying to make this side of the bars more welcoming for the people on the wrong side.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 17, 2022 02:50 PM (44ww/)

Repub running for Gov of Michigan was just ordered to turn in his guns, even though he has a concealed carry permit, because he is charged with the MISDEMEANOR of parading in the Capital on Jan 6.

Note, charged, not yet convicted, yet they are taking his guns anyway.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 17, 2022 02:52 PM (oHd/0)

137
It's all polishing brass on the Titanic.

Not that I would find a red flag law acceptable. I wouldn't and I don't.

But let's face reality, here. Let's say the mayor of a blue city called the police chief and said "there's this whole thing I would like to do the 'ex parte' way, as we say in the biz. I want you to send a couple uniforms over to YD's place with no warrant or court order of any kind, seize his guns, and then also shoot him in the face and feed his corpse to stray dogs in front of his family, neighbors, and some TV cameras."

All of that would be perfectly legal, and nobody would be punished for any of it, because the concept of "law" in 21st Century America is a sick fucking joke.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 17, 2022 02:52 PM (IXpV7)

138 Now do the same graphic wit not a Karen as the protagonist.

Leila calls on her ex boyfriend Ahmad......

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 17, 2022 02:52 PM (0Qrr3)

139 69 Seems there was a whole revolutionary war over gun confiscation.
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My sense of it is the GOPe is playing the Dems to enhance their electoral chances in November. The issue kills tons of Dems in competitive races for the benefit of GOPe and Trumper candidates by encouraging the Dems to reveal themselves in order to motivate their voters. The GOPe knows they control the Supreme Court and knows that Red Flag Laws are not Constitutional. That Schumer and other Dems are now on record encouraging assassination of Judges the GOPe knows that even squish Roberts will squash this law, toot sweet. So its just a rope the dope gambit to them. A schmartz rope the dope gambit at that.

Posted by: Puddinhead at June 17, 2022 02:52 PM (C7jzY)

140 Red Flag laws will be written in blue states in such a way that the disarming of the citizens can proceed apace with little in the way of push back. Framing it as "public health" will allow all sorts of abuse. And it will happen.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 17, 2022 02:52 PM (BFigT)

141 @73 Judges will always be inclined to approve the petition. J

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Legally, the judge *must* approve the petition, unless there are some glaring holes in the reason provided. The defendant has no opportunity to defend him or herself, so there's no reason provided for the judge to disbelieve the accuser. Ergo, all the evidence available to the judge aligns with the accuser's claims. So the judge is forced to rule based strictly on that evidence.

Posted by: junior at June 17, 2022 02:52 PM (N7e9+)

142 Someone needs to tell Cornyn that if the Democrats need a soft warm orifice, they've already got Mitt Romney for that.

The GOP is a lost cause until they start kicking people who do silly s*** like this out of the party. We're not interested in another two or three decades of Mitch McConnell 2.0.

Posted by: Azathoth at June 17, 2022 02:52 PM (wb1YC)

143 It's pretty much moot at this point as the "bipartisan" gun control talks have broken down in the Senate as I and others here knew they would and there is no way the house bill even comes up for a vote in the Senate.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 17, 2022 02:52 PM (bVYXr)

144 Oh, that's right, FISA. With all of those safeguards and procedures, FISA isn't abused, right? And if it is abused, you have some recourse against the abuser, right?

RIGHT?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2022 02:49 PM (0zQHa)

Given that the FBI is much more corrupt and vicious than the people McVeigh bombed a quarter century ago, it wouldn't be possible to trust then even if you believed they could have been trusted with that power then. And the ironic part is, government disinterest in known wolves (culminating in police functionally protecting a school shooter in the act of mass murder) means no one should trust the cops, period.

Posted by: trev006 at June 17, 2022 02:52 PM (dO8L8)

145 128 And, as you all know, anyone who rushes you into a decision with long-term irreversible consequences while emotionally bullying you and telling you not to research the facts or examine the legal language is, of course, someone with your very best interests at heart.
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Q. What do time shares, crappy used cars and legislation all have in common?

A. These sales techniques.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2022 02:51 PM (0zQHa)

Add to that some " medical procedures" !

Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2022 02:52 PM (Vr12I)

146 Also Red Flag is creepy pre-crime crap: punishing someone for acting in a way someone doesn't like because you fear they might commit a crime.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 17, 2022 02:52 PM (llsW/)
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That's right. It's prior restraint, and it's bullshit.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2022 02:52 PM (0zQHa)

147 That's it. I'm reporting you all. Watch your heinie.

Posted by: Jane at June 17, 2022 02:53 PM (vrz2I)

148 If these were "reasonable" red flag laws that wouldn't treat the innocent like a perp. Gonna be lit AF when the cops shoot some black dude when they take his guns away at 430Am. See everyone thinks it's only old white dudes gonna get flagged.... or do they know something I don't. Nah it'll be alright.

***

"He got weed! He got weed!"

Posted by: Azathoth at June 17, 2022 02:54 PM (wb1YC)

149 We should have red flag laws fro CRISPER gene editing machines. Just saying.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 17, 2022 02:54 PM (0Qrr3)

150 Sure seems like the Washington Generals are almost trying to make sure they don't beet the Globetrotters in Nov.

I'm sure that can't be the case.

Posted by: The mark in the audience at June 17, 2022 02:54 PM (QJT+j)

151 A. Thank you.

II. Obligatory reminder that while I do work in the legal field, I am not in active practice. This is a lawyer distinction which proves I am, you know, a lawyer. Just not a practicing one.

Now I have to go preen to BC that I got an ace post because am better than him.

Posted by: alexthechick at June 17, 2022 02:54 PM (btet6)

152 148 If these were "reasonable" red flag laws that wouldn't treat the innocent like a perp. Gonna be lit AF when the cops shoot some black dude when they take his guns away at 430Am. See everyone thinks it's only old white dudes gonna get flagged.... or do they know something I don't. Nah it'll be alright.

***

"He got weed! He got weed!"
Posted by: Azathoth at June 17, 2022 02:54 PM (wb1YC)

Lol! That one is a Classic!

Posted by: kraken at June 17, 2022 02:54 PM (Vr12I)

153 Wasnt there a high profile case in CA where they got a guy institutionalized because had too much ammo stockpiled? And a judge signed off on it?

Think of all the homeless addicts running around, but this is where they decide to put a guy away against his will.

Posted by: Victory at June 17, 2022 02:55 PM (3dm+3)

154 What Dems really want is to basically make all of their political enemies criminals and as soon as they step out of line, start enforcing these laws.
Posted by: Victory at June 17, 2022 02:48 PM

This is basically NJ gun law. Everything is written to make gun ownership perilous. E.g., it's an open question whether stopping for gas and snacks on the way to the range with my kids is violating the statutes prohibiting transport of weapons except for a narrowly prescribed set of reasons.

I stop for gas and snacks. But I am waiting for the day some cop pulls in behind me and sees the rifle cases through the back window of the van.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at June 17, 2022 02:55 PM (vcv8B)

155 This a law firm with offices around the country that only represents men in divorce cases: Cordell and Cordell:

https://cordellcordell.com/

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2022 02:55 PM (FZ2cV)

156 "He got weed! He got weed!"
Posted by: Azathoth at June 17, 2022 02:54 PM (wb1YC)

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LOL - that is a hilarious bit (or should it be 'an hilarious bit')

Posted by: 496 at June 17, 2022 02:55 PM (U1eOr)

157 Attach strings to red flag laws and they be gone
Fee shifting where complainant pays legal fees
No prosecutorial immunity
Complainant posts seizure bond
Mandatory prosecution of false claims

Posted by: 7man at June 17, 2022 02:55 PM (qwO6y)

158 How about if someone overhears another person at work about how the conservative Supreme Court justices should be taken out--do the red flag laws apply?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at June 17, 2022 02:55 PM (eGTCV)

159 AtC FTW
Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt

Concur !

Posted by: JT at June 17, 2022 02:55 PM (arJlL)

160 >>> Now I have to go preen to BC that I got an ace post because am better than him.
Posted by: alexthechick at June 17, 2022 02:54 PM (btet6)

And twitchy.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 17, 2022 02:56 PM (WM5vz)

161 Sigh, I don't care if McCanaughy said lying to get a red flag law invoked should be prosecuted.

Read AtC's thread. $2.5k to fight the red flag law was a bargain. Normal cost was the other side of $10K.

Okay, let's say average Joe Gun Owner can come up with the $10K to fight the red flag malicious prosecution. Where does Joe Gun Owner find the cash to pursue malicious prosecution? And, prosecutors, I believe, are immune from liability in such cases.

And, who's to say a scummy prosecutor won't find a way to shield the person making the accusation?

No matter how many "safe guards" are built into Red Flag laws, Red Flag laws will be abused.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 17, 2022 02:56 PM (5pTK/)

162 143 It's pretty much moot at this point as the "bipartisan" gun control talks have broken down in the Senate as I and others here knew they would and there is no way the house bill even comes up for a vote in the Senate.
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Of course, this is the plan. They want Dems yelling about Red Flag laws throughout the election. Springtime for GOPe and Trumpers - winter for Biden and Democrats.

Posted by: Puddinhead at June 17, 2022 02:56 PM (C7jzY)

163 Watch your heinie.
Posted by: Jane at June 17, 2022 02:53 PM (vrz2I)

I think that people are not keeping their guns in their heinies, Jane. Too painful and not enough room.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2022 02:56 PM (FZ2cV)

164 The only "enhanced" gun control I could support would be something like a juvenile with a violent crime conviction in their background being fair game for say an 18-20 year old.

But the potential is too high for an abuse even there.

Posted by: Victory at June 17, 2022 02:56 PM (3dm+3)

165 151 A. Thank you.

II. Obligatory reminder that while I do work in the legal field, I am not in active practice. This is a lawyer distinction which proves I am, you know, a lawyer. Just not a practicing one.

Now I have to go preen to BC that I got an ace post because am better than him.
Posted by: alexthechick at June 17, 2022 02:54 PM (btet6)

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I feel like the highlighting of your mind would classify as a victory.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 17, 2022 02:56 PM (LvTSG)

166 2 Guns, cold dead fingers, prying.

Some assembly required.
Posted by: 496 at June 17, 2022 02:25 PM (U1eOr)

Your terms are acceptable.

Posted by: Powers that be at June 17, 2022 02:56 PM (QJT+j)

167 31 I just want a red wave give enough to kick Governor Wolf out of the PA governor's mansion.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 17, 2022 02:32 PM (LvTSG)

He's term-limited. He can't run this time.

Posted by: Allie at June 17, 2022 02:57 PM (UnA8+)

168 OT: Read an article about President Puddinghead and wife plus their cat Willow heading off again to DE manse.

Puddinghead took a few icky questions from reporters regarding inflation but was stopped cold by Dr. Jill by her interrupting any further questions of her mentally and morally deficient husband by saying "Gotta Go!" and them scurrying into Marine One with cat in tow. Yes Jill, you were both in danger of Marine One taking off without you.

In the posted photo of Willow the cat, even she looked disgusted.

Posted by: Cheri at June 17, 2022 02:57 PM (oiNtH)

169 Now I have to go preen to BC that I got an ace post because am better than him.
Posted by: alexthechick

Preen away, my Dear !

Posted by: JT at June 17, 2022 02:57 PM (arJlL)

170 "55 I just want a red wave give enough to kick Governor Wolf out of the PA governor's mansion.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 17, 2022 02:32 PM (LvTSG)

He's term limited, thank heavens."
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Wolf isn't even running for the open Senate seat either. That should indicate how unpopular he is even in a state were he can count on a rigged election

Posted by: Cosda at June 17, 2022 02:58 PM (RHLud)

171 In blue states the act of owning a gun will be grounds for red flagging your ass.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 17, 2022 02:58 PM (Y5qcH)

172 So if there are no Red Flag requirements for teachers who discover a student who wants to kill all the other students why should there be a Red Flag requirement for everyone else?

Posted by: Puddinhead at June 17, 2022 02:58 PM (C7jzY)

173 A good summation can be that safeguards against abuse can allow for various courses of action, but when safeguards against abuse are routinely disregarded the case for granting such a power goes away. It just becomes unaccountable power.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 17, 2022 02:58 PM (b2nrj)

174 Wolf isn't even running for the open Senate seat either. That should indicate how unpopular he is even in a state were he can count on a rigged election
Posted by: Cosda at June 17, 2022 02:58 PM (RHLud)

What are the oz of that

Posted by: 7man at June 17, 2022 02:59 PM (qwO6y)

175 from ATC's twitter account

"My educational background is in philosophy, with an emphasis on semantics & semiotics, with subspecialties in existentialism and formal logic."

This is where she gets her silver tongue. Fuckitty fuck fuck !

Great write up ATC

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at June 17, 2022 02:59 PM (M+Lyo)

176 Puddinghead took a few icky questions from reporters regarding inflation but was stopped cold by Dr. Jill by her interrupting any further questions of her mentally and morally deficient husband by saying "Gotta Go!" and them scurrying into Marine One with cat in tow. Yes Jill, you were both in danger of Marine One taking off without you.

I'm waiting for Joe to respond to impertinent questioning with his impotent fists.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at June 17, 2022 02:59 PM (eGTCV)

177 153 Wasnt there a high profile case in CA where they got a guy institutionalized because had too much ammo stockpiled? And a judge signed off on it?

Think of all the homeless addicts running around, but this is where they decide to put a guy away against his will.

Posted by: Victory at June 17, 2022 02:55 PM (3dm+3)

At which point the can FORCE MEDICATE you. So how do you appear in court as logica and sane when you've been roofied by the Gov't?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 02:59 PM (ynpvh)

178 172 So if there are no Red Flag requirements for teachers who discover a student who wants to kill all the other students why should there be a Red Flag requirement for everyone else?
Posted by: Puddinhead at June 17, 2022 02:58 PM (C7jzY)
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Wait, isn't that the whole point of this "do something" bullshit?

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2022 02:59 PM (DcKNO)

179 They're going to bring SWAT to do a no-knock raid at 3am

This is how California obtained a large coastal property, early am raid on a "pot farm" where there was no pot or farm (pre medical weed), arrived with paperwork to seize land. Surprised sleepy home owner arose armed, was murdered by cops (which was the whole idea).

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at June 17, 2022 02:59 PM (hAnpH)

180 This is Turnip Brain's 4th straight weekend in Delaware.

I think the drugs are starting to have less and less effect.

There's no way you can convince me he doesn't spend his weekends in Delaware wired up like a server rack.

Posted by: Azathoth at June 17, 2022 02:59 PM (wb1YC)

181 Hey Joe where you gonna go with that gun in your hand?

Lol. Carry on joe. We don't want to profile you.

Wait your gonna kill who?

Well ahh hmmm. What should we do.?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 17, 2022 02:59 PM (0Qrr3)

182 Now I have to go preen to BC that I got an ace post because am better than him.
Posted by: alexthechick

Have you talked to Victor Davis Hanson ?

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at June 17, 2022 02:59 PM (M+Lyo)

183 In blue states the act of owning a gun will be grounds for red flagging your ass.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 17, 2022 02:58 PM (Y5qcH)
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Catch-22

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2022 02:59 PM (0zQHa)

184 I don't know why the compromise isn't just including due process to get a ruling before any confiscation is done. Also the 'target' should be provided free counsel. And of course prosecution for false allegations should be part of the deal.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 17, 2022 03:00 PM (SseOZ)

185 So, red flag law is like profilling for gang bangers in Chicago?

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at June 17, 2022 03:00 PM (3Or4S)

186 Repub running for Gov of Michigan was just ordered to turn in his guns, even though he has a concealed carry permit, because he is charged with the MISDEMEANOR of parading in the Capital on Jan 6.

Note, charged, not yet convicted, yet they are taking his guns anyway.
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 17, 2022 02:52 PM (oHd/0)

What was his answer to them?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 17, 2022 03:00 PM (I76dP)

187 Red Flag laws will be the nose in the tent.

Because it won't be Randy who doesn't like Jane, but some government appointed 'minister of truth' who decides your social media history is a bit scary and someone should protect society from you.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 17, 2022 03:00 PM (VJFAr)

188 There's an angry dementia patient with access to nuclear codes--do red flag laws apply?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at June 17, 2022 03:01 PM (eGTCV)

189 163 Watch your heinie.
Posted by: Jane at June 17, 2022 02:53 PM (vrz2I)

I think that people are not keeping their guns in their heinies, Jane. Too painful and not enough room.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2022 02:56 PM (FZ2cV)

I have heard of women hiding one in their vajay-jay...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:01 PM (ynpvh)

190 Q. What do time shares, crappy used cars and legislation all have in common?

A. These sales techniques.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2022 02:51 PM (0zQHa)

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Not to mention jet ski rental insurance as well as International treaties that the Congress no longer even bothers to vote on.

Out: A post-postmodern world.

In: A post-postconstitutional world.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 17, 2022 03:01 PM (WGDUh)

191 172 So if there are no Red Flag requirements for teachers who discover a student who wants to kill all the other students why should there be a Red Flag requirement for everyone else?
Posted by: Puddinhead at June 17, 2022 02:58 PM (C7jzY)

Wait you want to whack you pee pee off? With a knife? Carry on. Nothing to worry about.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 17, 2022 03:01 PM (0Qrr3)

192 from ATC's twitter account

"My educational background is in philosophy, with an emphasis on semantics & semiotics, with subspecialties in existentialism and formal logic."

Very cromulent

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 17, 2022 03:01 PM (SseOZ)

193 I agree with AlexTheChick. I'm also a lawyer and thus, in addition to my legal practice, I'm constantly called on to give private "advice" to friends, family, etc. Many of my friends and acquaintances are actively dating, hooking up, or whatever in the NYC scene. Do you know how many times I've been asked about threats made by a a jilted or otherwise pissed off ex-boyfriend or -girlfriend or -hookup to go to the police or my friend's job over petty or made-up allegations? My point is that Randy or Jane could easily have a vindictive beef with each other over nothing, and try to use the red flag laws as revenge.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2022 03:01 PM (iFTx/)

194 Red Flags laws will never be written iron clad not to be used for political fights.
See CJN Speaks

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2022 03:02 PM (2JoB8)

195 188 There's an angry dementia patient with access to nuclear codes--do red flag laws apply?
Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at June 17, 2022 03:01 PM (eGTCV)
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Brown flag laws will really pinch him.

Posted by: 496 at June 17, 2022 03:02 PM (U1eOr)

196 I don't know why the compromise isn't just including due process to get a ruling before any confiscation is done. Also the 'target' should be provided free counsel. And of course prosecution for false allegations should be part of the deal.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 17, 2022 03:00 PM (SseOZ)
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No, this compromise is a problem, too. No red flag laws. Period. What you're describing is closer to a protective order, which already exists and has its own rules for evidence and requirements. We don't need a second variety.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2022 03:02 PM (0zQHa)

197 Also the 'target' should be provided free counsel.

STEINER WILL COME

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at June 17, 2022 03:02 PM (hAnpH)

198 167 31 I just want a red wave give enough to kick Governor Wolf out of the PA governor's mansion.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 17, 2022 02:32 PM (LvTSG)

He's term-limited. He can't run this time.

Posted by: Allie at June 17, 2022 02:57 PM (UnA8+)

That's when you find out who he really is...when he can't run anymore.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:02 PM (ynpvh)

199 Red Flag laws will be abused by those brand new government employees with qualified immunity who's job is trolling social media accounts.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 17, 2022 03:03 PM (5pTK/)

200 171 In blue states the act of owning a gun will be grounds for red flagging your ass.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 17, 2022 02:58 PM (Y5qcH)

I thought that was rainbow flagging...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:03 PM (ynpvh)

201 171 In blue states the act of owning a gun will be grounds for red flagging your ass.
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This is bullshit. My son's black friend in HS dropped his 9mm pistol he was packing in his baggy pants on the gym floor during a basketball game. He never got punished for it. Zero Tolerance of Guns on school grounds is a myth. Today the faculty is all about making such infractions go away so the deserving yout can attend college. BTW, my son's black friend murdered his cousin over an argument on who was going to wear the new basketball sneakers. He's now in jail. His rap sheet has over 90 entries in it and he's 20. There are a lot more than two Americas when it comes to the law.

Posted by: Puddinhead at June 17, 2022 03:03 PM (C7jzY)

202 Who is BC ?

Posted by: JT at June 17, 2022 03:04 PM (arJlL)

203 TL

Posted by: esquincle at June 17, 2022 03:04 PM (Re9MM)

204 the compromise is that the Dems get half or more of what they want and the Repubs get to fund raise off it.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at June 17, 2022 03:04 PM (Ynyl9)

205 173 A good summation can be that safeguards against abuse can allow for various courses of action, but when safeguards against abuse are routinely disregarded the case for granting such a power goes away. It just becomes unaccountable power.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 17, 2022 02:58 PM (b2nrj)

There will never be anything more than lip service to safeguards for red flag laws. They can promise to prosecute false reports, it will never happen. They don't prosecute perjury and very rarely prosecute people that make false reports of crimes.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2022 03:04 PM (wRauk)

206 TL ; DR

Posted by: esquincle at June 17, 2022 03:04 PM (Re9MM)

207 183 In blue states the act of owning a gun will be grounds for red flagging your ass.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 17, 2022 02:58 PM (Y5qcH)
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Catch-22

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2022 02:59 PM (0zQHa)

Sounds like marijuana laws from the 1930's; you can't get the permit to grow until you provide a sample you've grown, but you can't grow it without the permit.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:04 PM (ynpvh)

208
Oy vey.

Ace, your website is exhibiting a disturbing behavior. I mentioned it the last time it happened, which lasted (for me) about 48 hours.

When I go to your website on my PC (any browser, using Windows 10) it's activating my webcam. Unlike last time, the behavior does not stop when I exit the browser - it requires a full restart.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 17, 2022 03:04 PM (IXpV7)

209 195 188 There's an angry dementia patient with access to nuclear codes--do red flag laws apply?
Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at June 17, 2022 03:01 PM (eGTCV)
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Brown flag laws will really pinch him.
Posted by: 496 at June 17, 2022 03:02 PM (

They guy who said blow a hole through the front door with a shot gun has his finger on the button.

Red flag
Red flag
Red flag

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 17, 2022 03:05 PM (0Qrr3)

210 Who is BC ?
Posted by: JT at June 17, 2022 03:04 PM (arJlL)
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A weirdo who puts carrots in chili.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 17, 2022 03:05 PM (5pTK/)

211 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2022 03:02 PM (0zQHa)

No a protective order is not close. No due process in that case either. Lack of Due process is the problem.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 17, 2022 03:05 PM (SseOZ)

212 Also apparently Dana Loesch read my Twitter thread on air without crediting where it came from, which I care about only to the extent of always cite sources, and she referred to me as he which got my panties entirely wadded.

My nic literally had the chick in it. Plus on the twats it is listed as alexandriabrown for the name. IT'S NOT SUBTLE!

Posted by: alexthechick at June 17, 2022 03:06 PM (btet6)

213 Oy vey.

Ace, your website is exhibiting a disturbing behavior. I mentioned it the last time it happened, which lasted (for me) about 48 hours.

When I go to your website on my PC (any browser, using Windows 10) it's activating my webcam. Unlike last time, the behavior does not stop when I exit the browser - it requires a full restart.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 17, 2022 03:04 PM (IXpV7)

Don't worry about it

Posted by: Bob from the NSA at June 17, 2022 03:06 PM (M+Lyo)

214 206 TL ; DR

Posted by: esquincle at June 17, 2022 03:04 PM (Re9MM)

I liked the smiley version better. As if you were being snide about it.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:06 PM (ynpvh)

215 202 Who is BC ?
Posted by: JT at June 17, 2022 03:04 PM (arJlL)

Yeah, he really ought to drop in from time to time and let us know he's still smashing those dance recital numbers.

Posted by: Emmie at June 17, 2022 03:07 PM (6RgRK)

216 No a protective order is not close. No due process in that case either. Lack of Due process is the problem.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 17, 2022 03:05 PM (SseOZ)
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Not nearly enough, if any. I interpreted your compromise suggestion to be akin to a protective order.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2022 03:07 PM (0zQHa)

217 Frustration inside the Senate GOP conference is boiling among conservatives at the way Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) is handling the bipartisan gun reform negotiations...."

Doesn't "negotiations' by definition mean give and take? Gun owners are having a lot taken through Red Flag laws. What are we getting back in return?

And this is why the GOPe cannot be trusted, ever.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 17, 2022 03:07 PM (N39Ws)

218 If any of this passes the people on the right need to just use this as leftist would. Report every slightly angry post by leftist to authorities. Know a lefty in your area, report them. Since this is all based on "concern" and not facts there's no reason you can't just report every leftist fit basically no reason what do ever. Overwhelm the system so that it collapses or gets backed up. Make things so horrible that some leftist natu finally realize that system is complete bullshit and takes away your right to due process.

Posted by: Rbastid at June 17, 2022 03:07 PM (C0Rwe)

219 Ah yes, that quaint notion, "due process."

Now, let's do unreasonable search and seizure.

TSA? Asset Forfeiture?

Oh, wait, all of that is now, "reasonable."

My mistake.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 17, 2022 03:07 PM (5pTK/)

220 This brunette is appalled, not just at the very notion of "red flag laws" but also at the Republicans' craven and despicable behavior:
https://is.gd/hohqEQ

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2022 03:08 PM (0zQHa)

221 >>> Ace, your website is exhibiting a disturbing behavior. I mentioned it the last time it happened, which lasted (for me) about 48 hours.

When I go to your website on my PC (any browser, using Windows 10) it's activating my webcam. Unlike last time, the behavior does not stop when I exit the browser - it requires a full restart.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 17, 2022 03:04 PM (IXpV7)

And you look marvelous!

Posted by: Nando at June 17, 2022 03:08 PM (WM5vz)

222 A red flag law, by definition, is unconstitutional.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at June 17, 2022 03:08 PM (lTGtQ)

223
My nic literally had the chick in it. Plus on the twats it is listed as alexandriabrown for the name. IT'S NOT SUBTLE!
Posted by: alexthechick at June 17, 2022 03:06 PM (btet6)

That's disappointing, how can she miss both names?

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2022 03:08 PM (wRauk)

224 Who is BC ?

I assume Brent Cochran, ATC's co-host on Drift Compatible. His rap name is "B-Cock".

Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2022 03:09 PM (ZGrMX)

225 217 Frustration inside the Senate GOP conference is boiling among conservatives at the way Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) is handling the bipartisan gun reform negotiations...."

Doesn't "negotiations' by definition mean give and take? Gun owners are having a lot taken through Red Flag laws. What are we getting back in return?

And this is why the GOPe cannot be trusted, ever.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 17, 2022 03:07 PM (N39Ws)

Reminds me of the joke about the chicken saying to the pig, "The farmer's been good to us, let's make him bacon and eggs for breakfast!"
The pig responds, "For you, it's a donation; for me, it's complete dedication".

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:09 PM (ynpvh)

226 Big legal news in Iowa that will make libs cry.

The Iowa Supreme Court issued a highly anticipated abortion ruling Friday. The court made it easier for lawmakers to limit or outlaw abortion in the state, reversing a decision by the court four years ago that guaranteed the right to abortion under the Iowa Constitution.

4 years ago, Iowa wanted to have a 72 hour waiting period before allowing an abortion. The court said no, it's a right. A few years later, after a Republican governor has appointed 4 of the 7 justices, a similar law for a 24 hour waiting period comes up, and the court completely overturns the previous decision.

LOLGF commies.

Posted by: Iowa Farm Boy at June 17, 2022 03:09 PM (JCZqz)

227 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2022 03:08 PM (0zQHa)

Heyyyy, macarena

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at June 17, 2022 03:09 PM (M+Lyo)

228 Oh you can have laws against perjury. But what if the DA doesn't want to prosecute?

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at June 17, 2022 03:09 PM (lKAqb)

229 Doesn't "negotiations' by definition mean give and take? Gun owners are having a lot taken through Red Flag laws. What are we getting back in return?

And this is why the GOPe cannot be trusted, ever.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 17, 2022 03:07 PM (N39Ws)

Democrats give it and Republicans take it. I believe it's called being a "catcher."

Posted by: 29Victor at June 17, 2022 03:09 PM (BJKQV)

230 My nic literally had the chick in it. Plus on the twats it is listed as alexandriabrown for the name. IT'S NOT SUBTLE!
Posted by: alexthechick at June 17, 2022 03:06 PM (btet6)
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Sledgehammers are more subtle than you are.

But, point taken.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 17, 2022 03:09 PM (5pTK/)

231 "He got weed! He got weed!"
Posted by: Azathoth at June 17, 2022 02:54 PM (wb1YC)

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And don't think it'll just be your crazy ex who will call these in. Try punishing your teen by taking away their phone or not letting them go out on a Saturday night. Some teens get pretty ornery when they don't have their phone.

Posted by: 496 at June 17, 2022 03:09 PM (U1eOr)

232 The federal government is a cartoon government.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 17, 2022 03:09 PM (R/m4+)

233 220 This brunette is appalled, not just at the very notion of "red flag laws" but also at the Republicans' craven and despicable behavior:
https://is.gd/hohqEQ

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2022 03:08 PM (0zQHa)

Looks like she could break your neck with those hips.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:09 PM (ynpvh)

234 Red flag laws wouldn't have stopped any of these school shootings because no one was reported the psycho kids anyway. Even when law enforcement was involve, no body did shit to those kids, they just left them free.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 17, 2022 03:10 PM (Y5qcH)

235 Congressional Republican's position on every issue is "bottom."

Posted by: 29Victor at June 17, 2022 03:10 PM (BJKQV)

236 Serious question here: if the police come and say " give us your guns" and you go to a closet and say " what the hell, where are they? I never use them, and they're gone!" What would happen then?

Posted by: kraken

The wording of the Red Flag Order will probably also include a search warrant for the house and land, which is also a yuge constitutional due process problem, so they'll search until you shoot their fascist asses or they find them.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 17, 2022 03:10 PM (iedEn)

237 When I go to your website on my PC (any browser, using Windows 10) it's activating my webcam.

And you really oughta put some pants on. Nobody wants to see that.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2022 03:10 PM (ZGrMX)

238 Looks like she could break your neck with those hips.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:09 PM (ynpvh)

Or bear your children.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at June 17, 2022 03:10 PM (eGTCV)

239 Just so you know, you pay for thousands of thrse ex parte orders every day.
VAWA funds non-profits who file protection orders, 99.99% for women.
No, they don't have to or need to screen to see if it's legit.
That's almost certainly how the crazy ex in Alex's story was able to get a protective order despite not having funds to pay a lawyer.

No Republican will ever dare vote against the blank-check Violence Against Women Act.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 17, 2022 03:10 PM (3hM5H)

240 228 Oh you can have laws against perjury. But what if the DA doesn't want to prosecute?

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at June 17, 2022 03:09 PM (lKAqb)

The way Soros intended.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:10 PM (ynpvh)

241 Negotiate when you can. Compromise when you have to. The GOP does the opposite.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 17, 2022 03:10 PM (SseOZ)

242 Who is BC ?
Posted by: JT

Co-host with Alex on the Drift Compatible podcast thing.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 17, 2022 03:11 PM (IEa8U)

243 Yeah, he really ought to drop in from time to time and let us know he's still smashing those dance recital numbers.
Posted by: Emmie

Can I ask you a question ? Do you have nephoos and Nieces ? Do they call you Auntie Em ?

Do you ever say "I'll give you Auntie Em, my pretties !" ?

Posted by: JT at June 17, 2022 03:11 PM (arJlL)

244 Also apparently Dana Loesch read my Twitter thread on air without crediting where it came from, which I care about only to the extent of always cite sources, and she referred to me as he which got my panties entirely wadded.

My nic literally had the chick in it. Plus on the twats it is listed as alexandriabrown for the name. IT'S NOT SUBTLE!

Posted by: alexthechick at June 17, 2022 03:06 PM (btet6)

Ooh. Chick fight.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 17, 2022 03:11 PM (nByzo)

245 My nic literally had the chick in it. Plus on the twats it is listed as alexandriabrown for the name. IT'S NOT SUBTLE!

Calm down, sir.

Posted by: Almost Dana Loesch at June 17, 2022 03:11 PM (ppBhU)

246 Looks like she could break your neck with those hips.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:09 PM (ynpvh)

This is the way the world ends, not with a bang, but a whisper

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at June 17, 2022 03:11 PM (M+Lyo)

247 238 Looks like she could break your neck with those hips.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:09 PM (ynpvh)

Or bear your children.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at June 17, 2022 03:10 PM (eGTCV)

My wife would have a problem with that...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:11 PM (ynpvh)

248 234 Red flag laws wouldn't have stopped any of these school shootings because no one was reported the psycho kids anyway. Even when law enforcement was involve, no body did shit to those kids, they just left them free.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 17, 2022 03:10 PM (Y5qcH)

Gun control laws are never about stopping violence. They're about controlling Americans. Democrats WANT gun violence because it leads to more gun control, more donations and more government power.

Posted by: 29Victor at June 17, 2022 03:12 PM (BJKQV)

249 Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2022 02:50 PM

She must have gotten some sort of restraining order on him I guess.

Goes without saying: no matter how much she pushes your buttons or physically assaults you, never lift a finger against her. The court will fuck you six ways from Sunday.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at June 17, 2022 03:12 PM (vcv8B)

250 Slightly off topic,:

About a year ago I decided to reread 1984, and I was appalled at how much the book was like current events. It was truly eye opening, and I felt like the frog in the pot. Recently I decided to reread Hitchikers Guide. The circular conversations between all the characters is like listening to the left/liberals. I realized they are not trying to communicate with us, they are just trying to confuse and distract us. Also eye opening. What is happening??

Posted by: Chillin the most at June 17, 2022 03:12 PM (ya8En)

251 245 My nic literally had the chick in it. Plus on the twats it is listed as alexandriabrown for the name. IT'S NOT SUBTLE!

Calm down, sir.
Posted by: Almost Dana Loesch at June 17, 2022 03:11 PM (ppBhU

They should arm wrestle.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 17, 2022 03:13 PM (VJFAr)

252 >>> My nic literally had the chick in it. Plus on the twats it is listed as alexandriabrown for the name. IT'S NOT SUBTLE!
Posted by: alexthechick at June 17, 2022 03:06 PM (btet6)

Someone probably just handed the text to her or a retweet that didn't cite you. Wouldn't take much for an on-air personality or her crew to do the checking though. I just did a google search of your first line and it goes right to your twitter post. easy peasy lemon squeezy

Posted by: banana Dream at June 17, 2022 03:13 PM (WM5vz)

253 Damn! I thought it took a jury of twelve to take your freedoms away.

Posted by: Rex B at June 17, 2022 03:13 PM (pmFfT)

254 This is Turnip Brain's 4th straight weekend in Delaware.

I think the drugs are starting to have less and less effect.

There's no way you can convince me he doesn't spend his weekends in Delaware wired up like a server rack.
Posted by: Azathoth

A normal person would know that the optics of this are horrible with rampant gas prices, formula/diaper shortages, rising food prices, etc. But this brain dead has to be hooked up/drugged every weekend just to get through a tough 4 hour work week.

Posted by: Cheri at June 17, 2022 03:13 PM (oiNtH)

255 the other problem with red flag laws is the fear that if you ever have or had problems and have a need to reach out to a mental health specialist, that could be used as prima facia cause for flagging you

And if you complain too loud you can get flagged as paranoid.
I think it is called a Kafka-trap

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2022 03:13 PM (xhaym)

256 You can't be mad that someone called you a he. No one really even knows what a woman is. I suspect women may be fictional, like elves and dwarves.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 17, 2022 03:13 PM (Y5qcH)

257 251 245 My nic literally had the chick in it. Plus on the twats it is listed as alexandriabrown for the name. IT'S NOT SUBTLE!

Calm down, sir.
Posted by: Almost Dana Loesch at June 17, 2022 03:11 PM (ppBhU

They should ~~arm~~ Jello wrestle.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 17, 2022 03:13 PM (VJFAr)

FIFY

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:13 PM (ynpvh)

258 About a year ago I decided to reread 1984, and I was appalled at how much the book was like current events. It was truly eye opening, and I felt like the frog in the pot. Recently I decided to reread Hitchikers Guide. The circular conversations between all the characters is like listening to the left/liberals. I realized they are not trying to communicate with us, they are just trying to confuse and distract us. Also eye opening. What is happening??
Posted by: Chillin the most at June 17, 2022 03:12 PM (ya8En)
++++
Tyranny.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2022 03:13 PM (0zQHa)

259 Read this

https://twitter.com/SaveLibertyUS/status/
1537596697353895937

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 17, 2022 03:14 PM (kf6Ak)

260 32 Who does the willowing come for?
The willowing came for me.

ask not for whom the willow wills
the willow wills for thee

Posted by: kulak anachronda at June 17, 2022 03:14 PM (v3pYe)

261 A #1 Troll:

I got a letter in the mail from Trump today. On the front is a picture of him smirking...with big red letters underneath saying, MISS ME YET?

Posted by: Orson at June 17, 2022 03:14 PM (0FSDw)

262 234 Red flag laws wouldn't have stopped any of these school shootings because no one was reported the psycho kids anyway. Even when law enforcement was involve, no body did shit to those kids, they just left them free.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 17, 2022 03:10 PM (Y5qcH)

NY State has Red Flag laws. Didn't stop the Buffalo shooter. And he had made threats to shoot up his school the year prior. NY State Police declined to do anything about that.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 17, 2022 03:14 PM (N39Ws)

263 We already know how this works. We have the example of the FISA court, which we were told would never be abused, but in fact just rubber stamped complaints

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at June 17, 2022 03:14 PM (5HBd1)

264 OT
Radio glenn beck -if I understood correctly- says,

George Soros has bought several, as in many, Hispanic (Spanish language only) radio stations and is installing marxist operatives in talk venues.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2022 03:14 PM (NM16+)

265 They should arm Jello wrestle.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 17, 2022 03:13 PM (VJFAr)

FIFY
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:13 PM (ynpvh)

No Raptors allowed!!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 17, 2022 03:14 PM (VJFAr)

266 John Cornyn needs to be voted out of office the next time he has to face a primary.

Last time he had a primary challenger whose name I don't remember and wouldn't recognize if you told me. The sum total of his media presence was some Facebook posts. I still voted for him.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 17, 2022 03:14 PM (nfrXX)

267 256 You can't be mad that someone called you a he. No one really even knows what a woman is. I suspect women may be fictional, like elves and dwarves.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 17, 2022 03:13 PM (Y5qcH)

Apparently for Dwarves, both male and female have beards.
Apparently for elves, neither do.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:14 PM (ynpvh)

268 From all I've seen in the past decade, I am 100 percent opposed to any proposal that gives more power to any arm of government.

I don't care how good a reason there is for it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 17, 2022 03:15 PM (DYCNj)

269 Well I keep telling the republican party that they will not get one red cent from me as long as McConnell is in leadership.

If they think replacing him with the republican traitor ( gutted the first border wall ) Cornyn, they are sadly, sadly mistaken.

He is so hated.

Posted by: dude1394 at June 17, 2022 03:15 PM (3exmE)

270 255 the other problem with red flag laws is the fear that if you ever have or had problems and have a need to reach out to a mental health specialist, that could be used as prima facia cause for flagging you

that's some catch, that catch 22

Posted by: kulak anachronda at June 17, 2022 03:15 PM (v3pYe)

271 256 You can't be mad that someone called you a he. No one really even knows what a woman is. I suspect women may be fictional, like elves and dwarves.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 17, 2022 03:13 PM (Y5qcH

And the female orgasm!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 17, 2022 03:15 PM (VJFAr)

272 My nic literally had the chick in it.
Posted by: alexthechick at June 17, 2022 03:06 PM

But can you define woman?

Posted by: quantum mechanic at June 17, 2022 03:15 PM (vcv8B)

273 Can I ask you a question ? Do you have nephoos and Nieces ? Do they call you Auntie Em ?

Posted by: JT at June 17, 2022 03:11 PM (arJlL)

At the risk of blowing my anonymity, that's exactly where my nic came from. But my real name is not Emmie.

Posted by: Emmie at June 17, 2022 03:15 PM (6RgRK)

274 Rubber stamp FISA and now a new rubber stamp.

They will stamp us out legally.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2022 03:15 PM (NM16+)

275 Apparently for Dwarves, both male and female have beards.
Apparently for elves, neither do.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:14 PM (ynpvh)

I believe Cirdan the Ship maker had a beard.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at June 17, 2022 03:15 PM (eGTCV)

276 "This is the way the world ends, not with a bang, but a ~~whisper~~ muffled crackle of fracturing vertebrae"

in other words, death by snu-snu

Posted by: Kindltot at June 17, 2022 03:16 PM (xhaym)

277 About a year ago I decided to reread 1984, and I was appalled at how much the book was like current events. It was truly eye opening,

Posted by: Chillin the most

Now read Atlas Shrugged. We are anticipating Directive 10-289 by the end of summer.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at June 17, 2022 03:16 PM (lTGtQ)

278 We already know how this works. We have the example of the FISA court, which we were told would never be abused, but in fact just rubber stamped complaints
Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at June 17, 2022 03:14 PM (5HBd1)

Lot of people don't realize the FISA court was created in 1978.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 17, 2022 03:16 PM (SseOZ)

279 254
A normal person would know that the optics of this are horrible with rampant gas prices, formula/diaper shortages, rising food prices, etc. But this brain dead has to be hooked up/drugged every weekend just to get through a tough 4 hour work week.
Posted by: Cheri at June 17, 2022 03:13 PM

Silly goose. We make sure "normal people" never hear about the president's absence (or any other embarrassing gaffes).

Posted by: The MSM at June 17, 2022 03:16 PM (JCZqz)

280 Tell me how the logic of "red flag" laws, that justify taking your guns, doesn't equally apply to seizing your bank account.

After all, you could take that money and go buy a gun.

Why not a warrent for your arrest too?

After all, if you are such a clear and present danger-- that your guns must be seized immediately before you almost certainly kill-- then there is no reason you shouldn't be locked up. Lots of ways to kill without guns, you know ...

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 17, 2022 03:16 PM (3hM5H)

281 George Soros has bought several, as in many, Hispanic (Spanish language only) radio stations and is installing marxist operatives in talk venues.

Correct. This includes Miami's #1 Spanish language AM talk station, which until now was very conservative. The Miami Cubans are not pleased about this, to put it mildly.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2022 03:16 PM (ZGrMX)

282 "temporarily remove"

if the person is Antifa/BLM, otherwise LOL

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at June 17, 2022 03:16 PM (sJHOI)

283 And what if the poor schlub had NOT been out of town at the time or not been able to prove it?

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at June 17, 2022 03:16 PM (lKAqb)

284 From all I've seen in the past decade, I am 100 percent opposed to any proposal that gives more power to any arm of government.

I don't care how good a reason there is for it.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 17, 2022 03:15 PM (DYCNj)
-----------

Decade? Patriot Act goes back further than that.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 17, 2022 03:16 PM (5pTK/)

285 I suspect women may be fictional, like elves and dwarves.
----------------
Dwarves exist. Just look at they're sausage fingers.

Posted by: Puddinhead at June 17, 2022 03:16 PM (C7jzY)

286 At the risk of blowing my anonymity, that's exactly where my nic came from. But my real name is not Emmie.
Posted by: Emmie

AHA !

Posted by: JT at June 17, 2022 03:16 PM (arJlL)

287 273 Can I ask you a question ? Do you have nephoos and Nieces ? Do they call you Auntie Em ?

Posted by: JT at June 17, 2022 03:11 PM (arJlL)

At the risk of blowing my anonymity, that's exactly where my nic came from. But my real name is not Emmie.

Posted by: Emmie at June 17, 2022 03:15 PM (6RgRK)

M from James Bond perhaps?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:17 PM (ynpvh)

288 179 They're going to bring SWAT to do a no-knock raid at 3am

This is how California obtained a large coastal property, early am raid on a "pot farm" where there was no pot or farm (pre medical weed), arrived with paperwork to seize land. Surprised sleepy home owner arose armed, was murdered by cops (which was the whole idea).

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at June 17, 2022 02:59 PM (hAnpH)

---------

Donald Scott, Ventura County, 1992. They seized his property after murdering him IIRC, even though there was no marijuana on his property which they claimed to have spotted from a helicopter.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 17, 2022 03:17 PM (WGDUh)

289 Soros wants chaos because big city chaos leads to more power centralized in the federal government. Centralized power is easier for him and his international buddies to control.

Posted by: 29Victor at June 17, 2022 03:17 PM (BJKQV)

290 Now read Atlas Shrugged. We are anticipating Directive 10-289 by the end of summer.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at June 17, 2022 03:16 PM (lTGtQ)

And Huxley's A Brave New World

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 17, 2022 03:17 PM (VJFAr)

291 But can you define woman?
Posted by: quantum mechanic at June 17, 2022 03:15 PM (vcv8B)

She's a lawyer not a biologist!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 17, 2022 03:17 PM (/pAEa)

292 My nic literally had the chick in it.
Posted by: alexthechick at June 17, 2022 03:06 PM

But can you define woman?

Posted by: quantum mechanic at June 17, 2022 03:15 PM

She's a lawyer not a biologist for gods sake man.

Posted by: Doctor Leonard McCoy at June 17, 2022 03:17 PM (bVYXr)

293 ..Wasnt there a high profile case in CA where they got a guy institutionalized because had too much ammo stockpiled? And a judge signed off on it? Think of all the homeless addicts running around, but this is where they decide to put a guy away against his will. Posted by: Victory at June 17, 2022 02:55 PM (3dm+3)

I do not understand the term: "..too much ammo.", at all. Well, it might be too much for that one particular canoe, weighing it down until the gun'nels swamp under, but that's about the only instance it'd make any sense at all?

But yeah. Any typical Hordian with a Hordian supply of gubs n' ammoz, does need to establish some dispersed storage options, and not say a word to ANYone as to those dispersal sites. ANY. ONE.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 17, 2022 03:17 PM (om/LB)

294 They will stamp us out legally.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2022 03:15 PM (NM16+)
++++
Not according to the laws of the United States. None of this is constitutional in the slightest.

But according to the Law of the Jungle, you're absolutely right.

Welcome to the jungle. It gets worse here every day.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2022 03:18 PM (0zQHa)

295 Now read Atlas Shrugged. We are anticipating Directive 10-289 by the end of summer.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at June 17, 2022 03:16 PM (lTGtQ)
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I honestly thought some of the villains in "Atlas Shrugged" were a bit over the top.

Not any more.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 17, 2022 03:18 PM (5pTK/)

296 "Schumer -- and Cornyn -- want to rush the vote as quickly as possible, allowing for no research, debate, or consideration."

There's an old saying: Act in haste, and repent in leisure. This red-flag legislation is the poster child for that saying.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 17, 2022 03:18 PM (iK3M4)

297 278 We already know how this works. We have the example of the FISA court, which we were told would never be abused, but in fact just rubber stamped complaints
Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at June 17, 2022 03:14 PM (5HBd1)

Lot of people don't realize the FISA court was created in 1978.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 17, 2022 03:16 PM (SseOZ)

Totes Constitutional. It's a tax--John Roberts

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:18 PM (ynpvh)

298 >>> You can't be mad that someone called you a he. No one really even knows what a woman is. I suspect women may be fictional, like elves and dwarves.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 17, 2022 03:13 PM (Y5qcH)

Like art, you know it when you see it.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 17, 2022 03:18 PM (WM5vz)

299 Theiy're = their. We need to just pick one of the three There, Their and They're a be done with this madness.

Posted by: Puddinhead at June 17, 2022 03:18 PM (C7jzY)

300 Police stealing confiscated guns is a common occurrence in our State, as is the Department's refusal to investigate the theft and jail the thief.

Posted by: pat at June 17, 2022 03:18 PM (BGa93)

301 Now read Atlas Shrugged. We are anticipating Directive 10-289 by the end of summer.

I used to think Rand's villains were stupid and cartoonish. Then modern Democrats happened.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2022 03:18 PM (ZGrMX)

302 Wait. People don't use their real names here? Is that even allowed?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 17, 2022 03:18 PM (DYCNj)

303 Also apparently Dana Loesch read my Twitter thread on air without crediting where it came from

Well, that pretty much sucks.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 17, 2022 03:18 PM (Xrfse)

304 This brunette is appalled, not just at the very notion of "red flag laws" but also at the Republicans' craven and despicable behavior:
https://is.gd/hohqEQ
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2022 03:08 PM (0zQHa)
........

That doesn't look real.

Posted by: Jane at June 17, 2022 03:18 PM (v0R5T)

305 285 I suspect women may be fictional, like elves and dwarves.
----------------
Dwarves exist. Just look at they're sausage fingers.

Posted by: Puddinhead at June 17, 2022 03:16 PM (C7jzY)

Can't say, but at least one Gnome exists. He has COVID right now.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:19 PM (ynpvh)

306 Vote Mouch in '24!

Posted by: 496 at June 17, 2022 03:19 PM (U1eOr)

307 Heh. Maybe we need a Pre-Crime division of government.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 17, 2022 03:19 PM (VJFAr)

308 George Soros has bought several, as in many, Hispanic (Spanish language only) radio stations and is installing marxist operatives in talk venues.

Posted by: Braenyard

I read an article about this on another site. There was a meeting on this by Florida/Miami hispanic radio leaders who were very upset by this.

Posted by: Cheri at June 17, 2022 03:19 PM (oiNtH)

309 Cornyn got the message from the base, today...

https://tinyurl.com/yk5fjap3

Posted by: In Reel Life (yes, dummy, on purpose) at June 17, 2022 03:19 PM (QYPq3)

310
I honestly thought some of the villains in "Atlas Shrugged" were a bit over the top.

Not any more.
------------------
Rand grew up in Russia. She knew shit.

Posted by: Puddinhead at June 17, 2022 03:19 PM (C7jzY)

311 Centralized power is easier for him and his international buddies to control.
Posted by: 29Victor at June 17,

And the graft is so much more efficiently distributed!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 17, 2022 03:19 PM (/pAEa)

312 And Huxley's A Brave New World
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 17, 2022 03:17 PM (VJFAr)
++++
Yeah. All of the dorm room stoners who used to hang around and debate passionately about whether the future would be more like "1984" or more like "Brave New World" failed to embrace the power of and.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2022 03:19 PM (0zQHa)

313 the other problem with red flag laws is the fear that if you ever have or had problems and have a need to reach out to a mental health specialist, that could be used as prima facia cause for flagging you

That is what the voices tell me anyways.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 17, 2022 03:19 PM (I76dP)

314 Of course this will only be used against the law abiding. If you report Randy and the police records show that he's gang-affiliated or a known violent offender or a fugitive, the report will never see a courtroom in the first place. Because serving the court order would be dangerous, and they need to make it home to their families because that's The Most Important Thing, plus those ham and eggs ain't gonna eat themselves.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 17, 2022 03:19 PM (IXpV7)

315 Red flag laws work as well as taking your shoes off at the airport.

Just last year, 1000 terrorists were stopped because everyone has to take off their shoes.

Actual number stopped?
0. Zero terrorists stopped, zero mass murders stopped.

How can I at say that with 100% confidence? Easy-- if there was one murder stopped, anywhere at all, the media would blast that fact non-stop

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 17, 2022 03:19 PM (3hM5H)

316
Great! A new weapon for sociopaths, teenage mean girls, and various and sundry hypersensitive lame-asses to use against their enemies.

Or a new divorce tool.

Brilliant.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 17, 2022 03:19 PM (5NkmN)

317 This is Jane. Jane is fighting with Randy for custody of their kids, because Jane's narcissism and alcoholism make her incapable of competent parenting. And so on.

Posted by: Anotheranon at June 17, 2022 03:20 PM (92oJw)

318 266 John Cornyn needs to be voted out of office the next time he has to face a primary.
---------------------------

He'll never be voted out. He has the Bush organization, SRC money, GOPe money, and K street sponsoring him.
They make sure he's the man to vote for.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2022 03:20 PM (NM16+)

319 Aggressive doughy man tries to goad a man with a gun into a fist fight. The man with the gun puts the dough-nut through a real life lesson in pain.

https://youtu.be/UJBGkbehCQE?t=116

Posted by: bonhomme at June 17, 2022 03:20 PM (kDGvA)

320 One more reason to stay off social media.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 17, 2022 03:20 PM (FIi2g)

321 Now, we should Red Flag people we think are communists. I could support that.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 17, 2022 03:20 PM (Y5qcH)

322 293 But yeah. Any typical Hordian with a Hordian supply of gubs n' ammoz, does need to establish some dispersed storage options, and not say a word to ANYone as to those dispersal sites. ANY. ONE.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at June 17, 2022 03:17 PM (om/LB)

The cell phone tells all. Don't take it with you as you spread your wealth.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:20 PM (ynpvh)

323 The leftists and the media, and academia, have thrown the presumption of innocence out the window. They first fielded these techniques on college campuses, now they are rolled out nationwide. Remember BlowJob Blase and Kav hearings?

No representation allowed. You can be accused of "rape" after the fact - and expelled from school. A student at Michigan, iirc, was passed out in his dorm room. His room mate's girlfriend performed fellatio on him (while passed out). He had and has no knowledge of this event. 6 months go by. She decides he raped her. He was expelled.

Anybody who tries to tell you "Red Flag" laws won't be abused is smoking their socks.

What has been stopping all the judges, health care people, Mental health orgs, police et al, from removing firearms from the insane and unstable up until this point? It can't be lack of legislation. There are already a gazillion laws for this sort of thing.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 17, 2022 03:20 PM (F8gOE)

324 208 Ace, your website is exhibiting a disturbing behavior. I mentioned it the last time it happened, which lasted (for me) about 48 hours.

When I go to your website on my PC (any browser, using Windows 10) it's activating my webcam. Unlike last time, the behavior does not stop when I exit the browser - it requires a full restart.

i think the real problem here is that you trust your computer enough to attach a camera to it.

Posted by: kulak anachronda at June 17, 2022 03:21 PM (v3pYe)

325 302 Wait. People don't use their real names here? Is that even allowed?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 17, 2022 03:18 PM

Next you'll tell me the rash of guns lost in canoe accidents was a lie, too?

Posted by: Clueless Guy at June 17, 2022 03:21 PM (JCZqz)

326 294 They will stamp us out legally.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2022 03:15 PM (NM16+)
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Not according to the laws of the United States. None of this is constitutional in the slightest.

But according to the Law of the Jungle, you're absolutely right.

Welcome to the jungle. It gets worse here every day.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2022 03:18 PM (0zQHa)

Learn to live like a animal, 'cause it's the jungle way.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:21 PM (ynpvh)

327 I honestly thought some of the villains in "Atlas Shrugged" were a bit over the top.

Not any more.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 17, 2022 03:18 PM (5pTK/)
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Ayn Rand's villains were always thoroughly believable. The most unbelievable element of villain behavior in "Atlas Shrugged" was that only one person - Floyd Farris - recommended the wholesale slaughter of people and he was excoriated for proposing it. In real life, they'd all have gone for it without even needing to coordinate the policy.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2022 03:21 PM (0zQHa)

328 Yeah, this will absolutely raise suicide rates as people who have legit issues will be too afraid to seek help for fear it will be used against them.

100

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 17, 2022 03:21 PM (VJFAr)

329 She has hips for making many many beautiful babies?

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at June 17, 2022 03:21 PM (lKAqb)

330 Pennsylvania? Wolf's promise land! Remember Sean Parnell & Teddy Daniels who had ran on republican tickets recently? Both out, they were.

We're ahead of the game; Red Flag Laws are & will be employed for a multitude of micro-aggressions & loud, but not violent, behavior while the counties around Philly become rental investment opportunities for all of the randier citizens being "nudged" into the promise lands of starter & first time buyer size homes and maybe getting free pre-K, gas cards, universal income, school loan forgiveness, big $ for home repairs, etc. Yes, they are a very different type of folks.

And the nursing home Covid patients? Lots of families got their FEMA burial allocations which soothed the pain of losing grandma and grandpa.

Posted by: Lola at June 17, 2022 03:21 PM (NIYa7)

331 Made it home in the nic of time. Holy crap is it raining.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 17, 2022 03:21 PM (ZLI7S)

332 Aggressive doughy man tries to goad a man with a gun into a fist fight.

Tater?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at June 17, 2022 03:21 PM (eGTCV)

333 Cornyn got the message from the base, today...

https://tinyurl.com/yk5fjap3
Posted by: In Reel Life (yes, dummy, on purpose) at June 17, 2022 03:19 PM (QYPq3)

Nice. Though I would prefer a few 'Get lost, ya bum!'.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 17, 2022 03:22 PM (I76dP)

334 rhomboid: "The opposition party, right?"

In theory.

So, no. "Leadership" will make sure of that.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at June 17, 2022 03:22 PM (aXxgO)

335 Cornyn got the message from the base, today...

https://tinyurl.com/yk5fjap3

Posted by: In Reel Life (yes, dummy, on purpose) at June 17, 2022 03:19 PM (QYPq3)

Like with a tire iron?

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 17, 2022 03:22 PM (nByzo)

336 308 George Soros has bought several, as in many, Hispanic (Spanish language only) radio stations and is installing marxist operatives in talk venues.

Posted by: Braenyard

I read an article about this on another site. There was a meeting on this by Florida/Miami hispanic radio leaders who were very upset by this.
Posted by: Cheri at June 17, 2022 03:19 PM

They should set up competing stations. No-one will listen to the Soros-funded garbage. Should be easy to convince someone to fund it.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at June 17, 2022 03:22 PM (vcv8B)

337 283 And what if the poor schlub had NOT been out of town at the time or not been able to prove it?

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at June 17, 2022 03:16 PM (lKAqb)

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That's where the Garland Archipelago comes into play, to catch any political prisoners who slip through the cracks.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 17, 2022 03:22 PM (M9BuD)

338 No, the canoe accidents are totally legit.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at June 17, 2022 03:22 PM (lKAqb)

339 307 Heh. Maybe we need a Pre-Crime division of government.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 17, 2022 03:19 PM (VJFAr)

Fails miserably in the 2050's

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:22 PM (ynpvh)

340 Has Tater been kicked to the curb yet? I wait on tenter hooks.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at June 17, 2022 03:23 PM (eGTCV)

341 One more reason to stay off social media.

You won't even need to be on social media. Any leftist hack that gains possession of political donor list, ccw holder list, etc will just report everyone on it.

Posted by: Halfhand at June 17, 2022 03:24 PM (zx9t+)

342 One more reason to stay off social media.
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 17, 2022 03:20 PM (FIi2g)
........

Not on FaceBook? RED FLAG

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2022 03:24 PM (v0R5T)

343 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 17, 2022 03:19 PM (IXpV7)

Didn't work out for those two CA cops.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 17, 2022 03:24 PM (SseOZ)

344 253 Damn! I thought it took a jury of twelve to take your freedoms away.

Posted by: Rex B at June 17, 2022 03:13 PM (pmFfT)

The 5th Amendment guarantees you due process of law.

LOOPHOLE ALERT: The 5th Amendment does not define due process of law.

Posted by: It's a Racket! at June 17, 2022 03:25 PM (AMIL/)

345
The cell phone tells all. Don't take it with you as you spread your wealth.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:20 PM (ynpvh)

What if there is no cell service where I have a hide hole? Can the government still tell where you have been?

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2022 03:25 PM (wRauk)

346 "Red Flag laws work!"

Brought to you by the same people who were throwing grandmas to the ground and dragging them off to jail for not wearing a mask "because masks stop the spread!"

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 17, 2022 03:25 PM (3hM5H)

347 @264 George Soros has bought several, as in many, Hispanic (Spanish language only) radio stations and is installing marxist operatives in talk venues.

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Saw a piece about this happening to a Florida station (Miami, iirc). Apparently the station personalities are all bailing. They've no interest in working for Soros.

Posted by: junior at June 17, 2022 03:25 PM (N7e9+)

348 OT: But what would be the best method of storing firearms, say, in a hole you dug in the woods?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 17, 2022 03:25 PM (Y5qcH)

349 Gascon. What a shitstain.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at June 17, 2022 03:26 PM (lKAqb)

350 319 Aggressive doughy man tries to goad a man with a gun into a fist fight. The man with the gun puts the dough-nut through a real life lesson in pain.

https://youtu.be/UJBGkbehCQE?t=116
Posted by: bonhomme at June 17, 2022 03:20 PM (kDGvA)

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I pointed this out last night - Watch the guy's legs when he goes down. There must be some instinctual/reflexive constriction when gut shot.

Posted by: 496 at June 17, 2022 03:26 PM (U1eOr)

351 What if there is no cell service where I have a hide hole? Can the government still tell where you have been?
Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2022 03:25 PM (wRauk)

Yes

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 17, 2022 03:26 PM (SseOZ)

352 nood

voice

Posted by: banana Dream at June 17, 2022 03:26 PM (WM5vz)

353 OT: But what would be the best method of storing firearms, say, in a hole you dug in the woods?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 17, 2022 03:25 PM (Y5qcH)
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PVC pipe. Cap one end, fill with gun and ammo. Stand on end, fill with nitrogen, cap other end, bury.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 17, 2022 03:26 PM (5pTK/)

354 351 What if there is no cell service where I have a hide hole? Can the government still tell where you have been?
Posted by: CaliGirl at June 17, 2022 03:25 PM (wRauk)

Yes

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 17, 2022 03:26 PM (SseOZ)

If Google knows, the FED knows.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:27 PM (ynpvh)

355 Anybody who tries to tell you "Red Flag" laws won't be abused is smoking their socks.

Pandora's mother of all boxes.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 17, 2022 03:28 PM (Xrfse)

356 In Reel Life: "Cornyn got the message from the base, today..."

Yeah. He'll receive it as, "I need to hole up further in DC; only do remotes; communicate less with constituents; set up more sinecures with CoC; move further Left."

What we say to him he won't hear unless there's a big wad of company cash tied to it.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at June 17, 2022 03:28 PM (aXxgO)

357 Same (almost) thing happened to me, except some of mine wound up pawned. Had to get relative to buy my guys back, once I located them. All it takes is the accusation.

Posted by: Beeman at June 17, 2022 03:29 PM (JyJNs)

358 Does anyone know if there were responses to The Empress's piece?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2022 03:30 PM (wcs7v)

359 319 Aggressive doughy man tries to goad a man with a gun into a fist fight. The man with the gun puts the dough-nut through a real life lesson in pain.
https://youtu.be/UJBGkbehCQE?t=116
Posted by: bonhomme at June 17, 2022 03:20 PM (kDGvA)
I pointed this out last night - Watch the guy's legs when he goes down. There must be some instinctual/reflexive constriction when gut shot.
Posted by: 496 at June 17, 2022 03:26 PM (U1eOr)

Hahahahaha....He's trying to muscle flex/cramp the pain away.

Doesn't work.

More please.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 17, 2022 03:31 PM (R/m4+)

360 Hahahahaha....He's trying to muscle flex/cramp the pain away.

I watched it twice to savor the little girl screaming. Not that I would likely be any better if I were shot but then that's why I don't go around mouthing off and attacking other people. Especially when they're already pointing a gun at me.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 17, 2022 03:37 PM (nfrXX)

361
At the risk of blowing my anonymity, that's exactly where my nic came from. But my real name is not Emmie.

Posted by: Emmie at June 17, 2022 03:15 PM (6RgRK)
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Y'all aren't using your real names?

Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2022 03:38 PM (0IeYL)

362 M from James Bond perhaps?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 17, 2022 03:17 PM (ynpvh)

Shhhhhhhhh.

Posted by: Emmie at June 17, 2022 03:38 PM (6RgRK)

363 358 Does anyone know if there were responses to The Empress's piece?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2022 03:30 PM (wcs7v)

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I first saw it when someone here linked to it at Twitchy, so at minimum they had commented on it there.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 17, 2022 03:44 PM (PPHr4)

364 Try to pressure me into a decision, any decision, and my "no" becomes a "hell, no". If you don't respect me enough to give me time to consider something, I don't trust that you have my best intrests at heart and will behave accordingly.

Why do we keep acting like the abused spouse of a pathological narcisist??

Posted by: Lady Lil at June 17, 2022 03:53 PM (0WGkK)

365 In the clip on the sidebar of Cornyn being booed, did anyone actually listen to what he was saying? Something along the lines of, "Aren't you glad to be on the side of conservatives like Cruz and Abbott, rather than on the side of people who want to live in freedom?"

Maybe I misheard it, but that sounds like a pretty good gaffe from a guy who was rattled by the unexpected uproar.

Posted by: red speck at June 17, 2022 03:54 PM (gS3OW)

366 OLD AND BUSTED:
"Never agree to anything you don't understand."
It should be a chip shot to vote against any bill that contains poisons, such as these red flag laws are.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at June 17, 2022 04:17 PM (K58O6)

367 Glad that at least one of my two Utah senators, Mike Lee, isn't a total worthless piece of crap like the other one.

Posted by: DiesIrae at June 17, 2022 04:23 PM (0033C)

368 Ace, your website is exhibiting a disturbing behavior. I mentioned it the last time it happened, which lasted (for me) about 48 hours.

When I go to your website on my PC (any browser, using Windows 10) it's activating my webcam. Unlike last time, the behavior does not stop when I exit the browser - it requires a full restart.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 17, 2022 03:04 PM (IXpV7)

Uhh, btw, you have a little green something between your front teeth.

Posted by: FBI van 21745 at June 17, 2022 04:24 PM (Zvtjl)

369 not to call the raptors in, but, are you a biologist?

Posted by: free tibet at June 17, 2022 05:26 PM (iNp3L)

370 Wolf needs to be shown the Door by the Voters in November

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at June 17, 2022 06:08 PM (wGqjj)

371 Anyway, the optics (lol) are that recent murders are due to some failure of Republicans to do something (we're never specifically told what and why, just insinuations and propaganda) and now finally Democrats have pressured the Republicans into doing something™.
Stupid, isn't it? But by cooperating Republicans are lending credibility to this story.
I guess they really like such optics (lol).

Posted by: PG at June 17, 2022 06:24 PM (84jHt)

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