Biden's Average Approval Rating Sinks Into the Thirties

He hit another new low, this one in the Morning Consult poll.

Note that when we speak of new low, we're generally speaking of lows in that particular firm's polling history. That's how Biden is always racking up so many fresh lows.

The Morning Consult skews Democrat, IIRC.

The latest survey found that 58% of voters disapprove of Biden's job performance and 39% approve. It marks the 46th president's lowest approval rating and highest disapproval rating in 62 weekly surveys conducted since he took office in January 2021.
For comparison, Biden's latest numbers are worse than Donald Trump's were at this time four years ago, when 45% approved and 52% disapproved of the former president. Biden's popularity, or lack thereof, mirrors Trump's standing in June 2020, when the nation was grappling with the twin crises of the pandemic and the response to the murder of George Floyd.
Republicans are far more strident in their disdain for Biden than Democrats are in their support: 80% of GOP voters "strongly disapprove" of Biden's job handling, compared with 37% of Democrats who "strongly approve" of it.

I "strongly approve" of Donkey-Chompers posting "candids" with her new boyfriend, Oral Sex Phantom.

Maybe she's just chugging a delicious Invisible Yoo-Hoo. Who can say for certain.

The poll finds the parties tied 42-42 on the congressional ballot question but the poll skews Democrat (IIRC) and besides, the Democrats need to be leading on this question by at least two or three points to even be competitive.

Quinippiac's new poll is so bad I'd say it must be an outlier, except for the fact it's about Joe Biden, we've seen numbers about this low for him before: They find that his approval rating has now fallen to 33%, with 55% disapproving.

Americans give President Joe Biden a negative 33 - 55 percent job approval rating with 12 percent not offering an opinion. Biden's 33 percent job approval among Americans ties the low that he received in Quinnipiac University national polls on April 13, 2022 and January 12, 2022.
...

Americans were asked about President Biden's handling of...
the response to the coronavirus: 47 percent approve, while 46 percent disapprove;
the response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine: 42 percent approve, while 50 percent disapprove;
gun violence: 32 percent approve, while 59 percent disapprove;
the economy: 28 percent approve, while 64 percent disapprove.
MOST URGENT ISSUE
Americans say inflation (34 percent) is the most urgent issue facing the country today followed by gun violence (17 percent).
Among Republicans, the top issues are inflation (46 percent) followed by immigration (14 percent). No other issue reached double digits.
Among Democrats, the top issues are gun violence (31 percent) followed by inflation (15 percent) and election laws (11 percent).
Among independents, the top issues are inflation (37 percent) followed by gun violence (16 percent). No other issue reached double digits.

As far as control of Congress, 46% want the GOP to win control of Congress, while 41% want Democrats to win. That sounds a lot more reasonable than the Morning Consult's claimed 42-42 tie.

Meanwhile, Democrats are increasingly frustrated with the old incompetent r@pist they "fortified the election" to install in the White House.

Democrats are growing increasingly frustrated by what they say is a flat-footed White House that is slow to catch up on solving a seemingly never-ending cascade of problems in the face of an unrelenting news cycle.
They point to the recent baby formula shortage as the latest example of how President Biden has failed to get ahead of the story, allowing Republicans to set the narrative as yet another failure for the White House. But they also highlighted Biden's lag on other issues at the top of voter's minds: inflation and gas prices.
...
"It's really simple: 'Be the f--ing president!," said one Democratic strategist frustrated by the administration. "I realize it's tough and you're drinking out of a fire hose every single day, but there are things you can do to control the public perception and they haven't done any of that."

Yes that's right, Paper-Pusher: It's all just about changing perceptions. There is absolutely no underlying reality. There are no hard facts that must be confronted. Everything is just a matter of wordsmithing the right catchphrases and social media zingers, right?

Democratic strategist Christy Setzer said the White House has shown some naivete in recent months in trying to control the message.
"It may come down to not understanding what they're up against -- both the media environment and today's GOP," Setzer said. "Biden did speak out on guns, on baby formula, on inflation ... but the traditional tactics aren't breaking through, and it doesn't seem as though they're taking in that information, re-trenching, and trying new approaches when it's falling flat."

The Democrat Party is filled with academics and wordsmiths and pollsters and paper-pushers and has very few people who actually do things, so they just cannot conceive of actual real-world problems which require actual real-world fixes. Everything is just a matter of "new approaches" of "messaging." Just slapping new labels and new superlatives on to old bottles of snake-oil.

Case in point: The Democrat Party had the opportunity to ask Janet Yellen about a real-world problem that is part of her portfolio, inflation.

She recently admitted she was wrong to say that inflation would not be a problem, and then, when it showed itself to be a problem, to downplay it as "transitory."

Instead, they chose to help her with "messaging," by allowing her to opine about virtually every other subject under the sun, including gun violence, climate change, and abortion.

Everything but inflation, the big problem that's actually a central concern to the Treasury Department she heads.

But don't worry -- she has a plan.

Although she says she expects inflation to remain "high," her plan for dealing with this high inflation to "very much hope" that it will come down.

In a functioning administration, Janet Yellen would be out the door tomorrow. But that's not what happened at today's hearing. Instead, Democrats took turns bragging about their $50,000 electric cars.https://t.co/efx2NJH9Kl pic.twitter.com/hoyx9KCqhw
— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) June 8, 2022

Oh, you're going to very much hope that inflation comes down? See, I didn't realize you were going to very much hope it would come down. I didn't know you were breaking out the big economic guns like that.

Apologies for having doubted you.

Via Twitchy: I didn't even realize this.

Biden has chosen to make no comment whatsoever about one of his communist fellow-travelers attempting to assassinate a Supreme Court Justice.

pic.twitter.com/WUv52rX6EK
— Ghost_Follower (@Ghost_Follower1) June 8, 2022

They straight up encourage violence from their fellow radicals. They just refuse to condemn it, or even acknowledge it.

Posted by: Ace at 05:57 PM

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1 We are now living in the best timeline

Posted by: Erik L at June 08, 2022 05:57 PM (sOdP3)

2 Cotez has a purdy mouth.

Posted by: Burrito at June 08, 2022 05:57 PM (3Or4S)

3 I want to note that "first on an AoSHQ post on June 8, 2022" line will be on my headstone

Posted by: Erik L at June 08, 2022 05:57 PM (sOdP3)

4 Which really means it's in the teens. So to speak.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 08, 2022 05:59 PM (fmt/2)

5 The fact Biden didn't "say" anything is saying something in itself

Posted by: It's me donna at June 08, 2022 06:00 PM (bs+z0)

6 Janet Yellen can barely speak. How did she get such an important and high-profile job?

She's like a troll with less charm.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 08, 2022 06:00 PM (DcKNO)

7 All he has left now are Pavlovian Democrats and the Arkham Asylum inmates.

Posted by: kraken at June 08, 2022 06:00 PM (Vr12I)

8 My boyfriend told me that this was the six-inch sub from Subway.

Posted by: AOC at June 08, 2022 06:00 PM (4I/2K)

9 >Yes that's right, Paper-Pusher: It's all just about changing perceptions. There is absolutely no underlying reality. There are no hard facts that must be confronted. Everything is just a matter of wordsmithing the right catchphrases and social media zingers, right?

This is the story of the 21st century Ruling Class: reality is endlessly mutable. If it hasn't bent to your will, well you just weren't trying hard enough. Or that guy over there wouldn't let me be clear.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at June 08, 2022 06:01 PM (sgpJf)

10 Bidenx should xxx himselfx

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 08, 2022 06:01 PM (kf6Ak)

11 It's important to remember that Bobby DeNiro thinks Biden is doing a swell job. Sleep tight, Bobby.

Posted by: Speller at June 08, 2022 06:01 PM (pSotA)

12 2 Cotez has a purdy mouth.
Posted by: Burrito at June 08, 2022 05:57 PM (3Or4S)

Never look a gift donkey in the mouth though.

Posted by: kraken at June 08, 2022 06:01 PM (Vr12I)

13 Well, we've always know that roughly one of every three Amerikans are irredeemable.

Posted by: Notorioux BFD at June 08, 2022 06:01 PM (Xrfse)

14 How.many times.do i have to tell you that the econmy is.fine??!

Posted by: The messenger at June 08, 2022 06:02 PM (3Or4S)

15 Henceforth Biden's supporters qualify as "Fringe."

Posted by: 29Victor at June 08, 2022 06:02 PM (BJKQV)

16 11 It's important to remember that Bobby DeNiro thinks Biden is doing a swell job. Sleep tight, Bobby.
Posted by: Speller at June 08, 2022 06:01 PM (pSotA)

In your gated home with armed security

Posted by: It's me donna at June 08, 2022 06:02 PM (bs+z0)

17 AOC's mouth is quite roomy.

Posted by: Bosk at June 08, 2022 06:02 PM (x6uUk)

18 Cotez has a purdy mouth.
Posted by: Burrito at June 08, 2022 05:57 PM (3Or4S)
........

It's Kotex. And mouf.

Posted by: wth at June 08, 2022 06:02 PM (v0R5T)

19 Hey, put me in some high 6 figure government gig, I can screw things up as well as Yellin.
I can shrug and throw up my hands...
Whoops. Whoopsie.
Pay me!

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 08, 2022 06:02 PM (jTmQV)

20 11 It's important to remember that Bobby DeNiro thinks Biden is doing a swell job. Sleep tight, Bobby.
Posted by: Speller at June 08, 2022 06:01 PM (pSotA)

With every passing year, DeNiro is morphing into Gimli.

Posted by: kraken at June 08, 2022 06:02 PM (Vr12I)

21 Kinda like Tulsi on The Five.

Kinda hard and sexy. Like a smokers voice sipping a martini.

Posted by: Redenzo at June 08, 2022 06:03 PM (E7vND)

22 i like the motion blur on her Sweet Hand

Posted by: ace at June 08, 2022 06:03 PM (AkbRF)

23 How low can he go?

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 08, 2022 06:03 PM (kf6Ak)

24 >>>"Biden did speak out on guns, on baby formula, on inflation ... but the traditional tactics aren't breaking through, and it doesn't seem as though they're taking in that information, re-trenching, and trying new approaches when it's falling flat."

lol

Must've missed the "influencers" ball at the WH.

Posted by: flounder at June 08, 2022 06:03 PM (nByzo)

25 Those Congressional polls are still disconcerting, even considering over representation of Donk's. I'm really not sold on this whole "Red Wave" prediction simply because I don't believe we're a center-right nation any longer.

Posted by: PacosMojo at June 08, 2022 06:03 PM (BuiC1)

26 Democratic strategist Christy Setzer said the White House has shown some naivete in recent months in trying to control the message.

Sugartits, this isn't college. This is the real world. Words don't change reality. Fanciest words and phrasing won't automatically put baby formula back on the shelves.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 08, 2022 06:03 PM (iXsUn)

27 When Clinton saw bad numbers he moderated. When Biden sees bad numbers he gets angry at Americans for not appreciating him.

Posted by: 29Victor at June 08, 2022 06:03 PM (BJKQV)

28 Do we have Tater's Take(tm) on this yet?

We may not have Tater around to whip for much longer.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 08, 2022 06:03 PM (a3Q+t)

29 Don't forget the Dems think little boys should have their dicks cut off and pump them with drugs to make them girls.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at June 08, 2022 06:03 PM (cMXNt)

30 >>20 11 It's important to remember that Bobby DeNiro thinks Biden is doing a swell job. Sleep tight, Bobby.
Posted by: Speller at June 08, 2022 06:01 PM (pSotA)

With every passing year, DeNiro is morphing into Gimli.
Posted by: kraken

With platform shoes. That little runt bastard.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 08, 2022 06:03 PM (fmt/2)

31 It’s OKwe got this.
- ballots found at 3am in inner cities across America

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:03 PM (3vQN0)

32 They could stop doing intentionally stupid stuff, that might help. Then the MSM could clean up the unintentionally stupid stuff.

Posted by: Ripley at June 08, 2022 06:04 PM (MxEKc)

33 Posted by: PacosMojo at June 08, 2022 06:03 PM (BuiC1)

Scares me too

Posted by: It's me donna at June 08, 2022 06:04 PM (bs+z0)

34 You'd have to be insane to let donkey kong anywhere near your treasure wif dem teefes.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 08, 2022 06:04 PM (ppBhU)

35 Fanciest words and phrasing won't automatically put baby formula back on the shelves.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 08, 2022 06:03 PM

What about shaping perception of the shelves themselves?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 08, 2022 06:04 PM (a3Q+t)

36 That's a Big X on that chart.

A Chartx, if you will.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 08, 2022 06:04 PM (8GBH4)

37 i like the motion blur on her Sweet Hand

hand baby gainzzz

Posted by: Notorioux BFD at June 08, 2022 06:04 PM (Xrfse)

38 Good evening everyone.

FJB!

Posted by: Tonypete at June 08, 2022 06:04 PM (Msys3)

39 I'm sure him yukking it up with Jimmy Kimmel the same day as an attempted assassination will clear up all perceptions of not taking the nation's problems seriously.

Posted by: Landofskybluewater at June 08, 2022 06:05 PM (Geoni)

40 Every time I look at/hear AOC, I think " Who bitch dis is"?

Posted by: kraken at June 08, 2022 06:05 PM (Vr12I)

41 The articles by Ruy Tuxieria, the guy who promised demographics were leading to permanent Dem rule are all but screaming DEFCON 1.

it's hilarious.

The Marxists replaced class in America with race and are now learning the working and middle class of all races don't care much for celebrating trannies, fags, and baby killing.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 08, 2022 06:05 PM (CZpdf)

42 Everything is just a matter of "new approaches" of "messaging." Just slapping new labels and new superlatives on to old bottles of snake-oil.

—-

Don’t forget reimagining. That’s yuuuge on the left these days.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:06 PM (3vQN0)

43 Leftist SCOTUS assassins seemed to have gotten their messages loud and clear.

Posted by: flounder at June 08, 2022 06:06 PM (nByzo)

44 Teacher says: every time a bell rings, a commie gets clubbed by economic reality.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 08, 2022 06:06 PM (08ncd)

45 i need to figure out how to upload that pic to MemeGenerator

Posted by: ace at June 08, 2022 06:06 PM (AkbRF)

46 AOC's mouth is quite roomy.
Posted by: Bosk at June 08, 2022 06:02 PM (x6uUk)
..........

https://tinyurl.com/49fx4d44

Posted by: wth at June 08, 2022 06:07 PM (v0R5T)

47 You'd have to be insane to let donkey kong anywhere near your treasure wif dem teefes.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 08, 2022 06:04 PM

P'shaw. Danger is my ~~middle~~ last name.

Posted by: Carlos at June 08, 2022 06:07 PM (a3Q+t)

48 So gun violence is pretty much entirely a minority problem.

Why are democrats and independents so damn racist?

And why do they refuse to ban black people from owning guns?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the CEO of Moderna acknowledged the presence of patented sequence in Covid-19 at June 08, 2022 06:07 PM (7rzvW)

49 She talks a good racist game, but I notice she's all cuddled up to some pudgy, pasty ginger guy. Kinda ironic.

Posted by: kraken at June 08, 2022 06:07 PM (Vr12I)

50 You'd have to be insane to let donkey kong anywhere near your treasure wif dem teefes.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls

As long as she is face down, butt up, with a mouth full of pillow, you should be OK.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 08, 2022 06:07 PM (iXsUn)

51 Y'all just wanna date AOC

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 08, 2022 06:07 PM (fs1hN)

52 Good evening, horde. I really didn't think he'd last a six months into his term. But apparently, he is undead.

And should he become actually dead, would things be any better? I can't thing of any realistic good scenarios.

Posted by: April-dash my lace wigs! at June 08, 2022 06:07 PM (OX9vb)

53 And this is *with* a supine media.

*steeples fingers*

Excellent.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at June 08, 2022 06:07 PM (PiwSw)

54 You just want to date Sandy-O, ace. Admit it.

Posted by: Muldoon at June 08, 2022 06:08 PM (cPDW+)

55 Dude’s a rolling brown out. Thank god for depends

Posted by: WTF??? at June 08, 2022 06:08 PM (uN6X9)

56 >>43 Leftist SCOTUS assassins seemed to have gotten their messages loud and clear.
Posted by: flounder

Waiting for the US Marshalls to dump a MP5 mag into the next one.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 08, 2022 06:08 PM (fmt/2)

57 Those Congressional polls are still disconcerting, even considering over representation of Donk's. I'm really not sold on this whole "Red Wave" prediction simply because I don't believe we're a center-right nation any longer.
Posted by: PacosMojo at June 08, 2022 06:03 PM (BuiC1)
***
This.
Don't count hour votes until their cast...no matter how many times!

Posted by: Diogenex at June 08, 2022 06:08 PM (anj39)

58 $50K EVs are unaffordable.
- owners of $70k pickups

This is always a silly argument. You hate EVs? Fine. Don’t get one. But don’t play the “they are too expensive” card. Because they’re no more expensive than comparable ICE cars.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:08 PM (3vQN0)

59 You just want to date Sandy-O, ace. Admit it.
Posted by: Muldoon

"Dating" would imply a dignity that the relationship wouldn't deserve.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 08, 2022 06:08 PM (Msys3)

60 i like the motion blur on her Sweet Hand
Posted by: ace at June 08, 2022 06:03 PM (AkbRF)
.......

been practicing with her Shake Weight

Posted by: wth at June 08, 2022 06:08 PM (v0R5T)

61 Out of camo I'm quite visible.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 08, 2022 06:09 PM (0fVbu)

62 You think its low now, but I tell you its going to 25%. Give the boy time. Give Hunter some crack and a video feed.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 08, 2022 06:09 PM (QSjkU)

63 45 i need to figure out how to upload that pic to MemeGenerator
Posted by: ace at June 08, 2022 06:06 PM (AkbRF)

Or manipulate an image of Angela White with AOC's face.

*shudder*

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 08, 2022 06:09 PM (08ncd)

64 tonypete, you missed the "x" thread. Lot's of x's. It was very collegial, collaborative, and respectful. It's so great to post here!

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at June 08, 2022 06:09 PM (PiwSw)

65
hat's a Big X on that chart.

A Chartx, if you will.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk

In Biden's case it's a Shartx.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 08, 2022 06:10 PM (63Dwl)

66 Will someone please put a black bar over that imaginary bannanana?
(I think it's called unnecessary censorship or something.)

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at June 08, 2022 06:10 PM (ZdXg1)

67 Janet Yellen: I very much, fear, trouble, in the fuselage , Frederick!

Zombie Quincy MD: I very, fear, that, THERE IS A NUT IN CHARGE OF FISCAL POLICY!!!!

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 08, 2022 06:10 PM (jK+sW)

68 'Stop! In the name of love! Before you break a fart. Think it over.'

Posted by: Eromero at June 08, 2022 06:10 PM (0OP+5)

69 This is always a silly argument. You hate EVs? Fine. Don’t get one. But don’t play the “they are too expensive” card. Because they’re no more expensive than comparable ICE cars.
Posted by: Joe XiDen

Don't have an option. That's what people are pissed about. The government is gonna force everyone to get an EV.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 08, 2022 06:10 PM (iXsUn)

70 60 i like the motion blur on her Sweet Hand
Posted by: ace at June 08, 2022 06:03 PM (AkbRF)
.......

been practicing with her Shake Weight
Posted by: wth at June 08, 2022 06:08 PM (v0R5T)

Snatch this penis from my hand, grasshopper.

Posted by: Kwai Chang Kang at June 08, 2022 06:10 PM (08ncd)

71 Teacher says: every time a bell rings, a commie gets clubbed by economic reality.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 08, 2022 06:06 PM (08ncd)

Ah.
Homeschooling.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 08, 2022 06:10 PM (anj39)

72 The Democrat Party is filled with academics and wordsmiths and pollsters and paper-pushers and has very few people who actually do things

====

We very much beg to differ

Posted by: all the commies TFG embedded at DOJ and EPA, busily fucking thing up at June 08, 2022 06:10 PM (2KTM9)

73 58 $50K EVs are unaffordable.
- owners of $70k pickups

This is always a silly argument. You hate EVs? Fine. Don’t get one. But don’t play the “they are too expensive” card. Because they’re no more expensive than comparable ICE cars.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:08 PM (3vQN0)

Joe, this is not an attack. Do you own one, or not? I don't, not because of the price, but because they are simply impractical for me.

Posted by: kraken at June 08, 2022 06:10 PM (Vr12I)

74 Hope in one hand and, well, you know how it goes.

If diesel would "unexpectedly" fall to $1.79/gal that might help. Can't see much how that would happen.

Posted by: Javems at June 08, 2022 06:10 PM (AmoqO)

75
Went to BJ's for gas, today. Long line out into the street. Waited 15 minutes to get to the pump.

$4.61 with my .20 cent discount.

biden did that.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at June 08, 2022 06:10 PM (u32OT)

76 Kane?

Posted by: Kwai Chang Kane? at June 08, 2022 06:10 PM (08ncd)

77 tonypete, you missed the "x" thread. Lot's of x's. It was very collegial, collaborative, and respectful. It's so great to post here!
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes

Off I go to research!

Posted by: Tonypete at June 08, 2022 06:10 PM (Msys3)

78 Is there anyone competent in the Left side of Congress.
I guess it's for the best, if they had competent members they'd be a threat in Nov 22 & 24.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 08, 2022 06:11 PM (CLKyD)

79 How many points do they think they'll get out of tomorrow night's show trial?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 08, 2022 06:11 PM (63Dwl)

80

Next on The View: penis sipper, or knob gobbler?

Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at June 08, 2022 06:11 PM (0a9wz)

81 In Biden's case it's a Shartx.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 08, 2022 06:10 PM

Baby Shartx, doodoo....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 08, 2022 06:11 PM (RkC6l)

82 $50K EVs are unaffordable.
- owners of $70k pickups

*

No one who needs a pick up truck is cross shopping for an electric car, dumbasses.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the CEO of Moderna acknowledged the presence of patented sequence in Covid-19 at June 08, 2022 06:11 PM (7rzvW)

83 But don't worry -- she has a plan.

Although she says she expects inflation to remain "high," her plan for dealing with this high inflation to "very much hope" that it will come down.
___________

What's that old saying? Something like shit in one hand and hope in the other hand and see which one fills up quicker.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at June 08, 2022 06:11 PM (MvHI3)

84
obama ruined the economy so bad that when it got a little better, people were grateful.

We Are Repeating 2010, all over again.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at June 08, 2022 06:12 PM (u32OT)

85 I'm really not sold on this whole "Red Wave" prediction simply because I don't believe we're a center-right nation any longer.
Posted by: PacosMojo at June 08, 2022 06:03 PM (BuiC1)
***

You’re welcome!!
-1965 immigration act

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:12 PM (3vQN0)

86 Cause I've got HIGH Hopes!
-Yella

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 08, 2022 06:12 PM (08ncd)

87 $4.61 with my .20 cent discount.

$ 6.19 at Costco.. $6.49 at some discount stations

Posted by: It's me donna at June 08, 2022 06:12 PM (bs+z0)

88 Fine, the horde wants to have sex with AOC, but they're stuck listening to her stupidity afterward.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 08, 2022 06:12 PM (DcKNO)

89 Because Yellen was once Chair of the Fed and it's important to have a vagina in charge. And "Whoops! whoopsie!" Is an acceptable answer.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at June 08, 2022 06:12 PM (YynYJ)

90 I need to tow 11,000 pounds, not drive 180 miles one time.
- owners of 70k trucks

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the CEO of Moderna acknowledged the presence of patented sequence in Covid-19 at June 08, 2022 06:12 PM (7rzvW)

91 "This is how Kamala taught me to do it."

Posted by: Sandy Cortez at June 08, 2022 06:12 PM (bir+B)

92 Classic quote from Fresh Prez of DC on AOC
"She's what my people would call a turbo yenta"
https://youtu.be/TTJz6__YePU

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 08, 2022 06:13 PM (fs1hN)

93 Anyone with "chompers" in their name, nic, or whatever will forever be forbidden from my dick.

That is all.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 08, 2022 06:13 PM (BFigT)

94 >This is always a silly argument. You hate EVs? Fine. Don’t get one. But don’t play the “they are too expensive” card. Because they’re no more expensive than comparable ICE cars.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:08 PM (3vQN0)

https://is.gd/XQ6arl

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at June 08, 2022 06:13 PM (sgpJf)

95 Biden's team blaming the "messaging" as the issue is a little like when the products containing Olestra first came out. The fact the package says "may cause anal leakage" is not the problem.......it's the anal leakage.

Posted by: Landofskybluewater at June 08, 2022 06:13 PM (Geoni)

96 Watching a frail old man fall down a flight of stairs should not be amusing but on at least one occasion it is.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at June 08, 2022 06:13 PM (YB8AV)

97 88 Fine, the horde wants to have sex with AOC, but they're stuck listening to her stupidity afterward.
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 08, 2022 06:12 PM (DcKNO)

Not me. Never got the attraction.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 08, 2022 06:13 PM (08ncd)

98 Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at June 08, 2022 06:10 PM (u32OT)

Went to BJs for gas earlier - did the buy 4 get 75 cents off discount
That's 2 packs of hotdogs and 2 giant bags of questionable chips. It's hotdogs for dinner!

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 08, 2022 06:13 PM (kf6Ak)

99
Everyone excited about greta van sistern's show on Newsmax starting next week?

Newsmax is trying to be Fox News Jr, I think.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at June 08, 2022 06:13 PM (u32OT)

100 >>>You just want to date Sandy-O, ace. Admit it.
Posted by: Muldoon

This picture has awakened an interest in me, I admit.

Posted by: ace at June 08, 2022 06:13 PM (AkbRF)

101 >>> 90 I need to tow 11,000 pounds, not drive 180 miles one time.
- owners of 70k trucks
Posted by: Moron Robbie - the CEO of Moderna acknowledged the presence of patented sequence in Covid-19 at June 08, 2022 06:12 PM (7rzvW)

What if I bought used and only need to tow 7k at most? Can I play too? ;P

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 08, 2022 06:13 PM (llON8)

102 >I need to tow 11,000 pounds, not drive 180 miles one time.
- owners of 70k trucks
Posted by: Moron Robbie - the CEO of Moderna acknowledged the presence of patented sequence in Covid-19 at June 08, 2022 06:12 PM (7rzvW)

Right, completely different use cases, but easy as shit to strawman.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at June 08, 2022 06:13 PM (sgpJf)

103
we have Tater's Take(tm) on this yet?

We may not have Tater around to whip for much longer.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 08, 2022

We can still mash and dice and slice him while he's available!

Posted by: Good Scott at June 08, 2022 06:13 PM (6XvFg)

104 It looks like the for and against are just fluctuating about a steady mean now.

So the delta support is just varying with the phase between the two trends and about its own mean.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 08, 2022 06:14 PM (0fVbu)

105 Ah, it's the messaging. That's it.
We can fix that.

Actually, no you can't.
Every time people go to gas up, they see this. And prices of gas (and just about everything) are rising. Weekly.
This ain't no party, this ain't no disco.
And you can't keep blaming all this on Putin, numbnutz.
At peak production in 2020, the US was pumping in excess of 13.2 million barrels a day of oil. Then Covid hit, consumption and production went way down.
Today, with this "booming" (cough) economy, we are pumping somewhere like 11.7 million barrels a day.
Apparently the government is taking a million barrels a day out of the Strategic Reserve, but little voices tell me this is going to Europe, because they are OUT of oil and gas.
Things are going to get a lot worse. Biden hasn't seen the worst; it is yet to come.
Pro-tip: Look for the "election" variant to come out sometime after Labor Day, and ...whooops! Lock it down and vote by mail, citizens....and amigos.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at June 08, 2022 06:14 PM (vcOmj)

106
Went to BJs for gas earlier - did the buy 4 get 75 cents off discount
That's 2 packs of hotdogs and 2 giant bags of questionable chips. It's hotdogs for dinner!
Posted by: vmom

Sounds like a good deal.

Heck, hot dogs every night all Summer!

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at June 08, 2022 06:14 PM (u32OT)

107 Jimmy Carter's lowest approval percentage was 28 percent, in late June 1979. When there had been gas lines for at least a month. Food lines AND gas lines in a few months should get Joe below Carter's lowest.

Posted by: crusader at June 08, 2022 06:14 PM (AMIL/)

108 "The Ghost of Endor, with AOC behind him on the Vespa, ripping through a turn, J. Crew Messenger Bag flapping in the breeze behind her, teeth bared ..."

-- pitch meeting intro

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 08, 2022 06:14 PM (a3Q+t)

109 $ 6.19 at Costco.. $6.49 at some discount stations
Posted by: It's me donna at

California?

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 08, 2022 06:14 PM (kf6Ak)

110 Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at June 08, 2022 06:13 PM (sgpJf)

Good info

Posted by: It's me donna at June 08, 2022 06:15 PM (bs+z0)

111
I joined Sam's Club, too, a month ago.
Have yet to go there.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at June 08, 2022 06:15 PM (u32OT)

112
Joe, this is not an attack. Do you own one, or not? I don't, not because of the price, but because they are simply impractical for me.
Posted by: kraken at June 08, 2022 06:10 PM (Vr12I)

I do and I love it. Other than classic cars which I also love I’m all in on EVs for future cars I buy. And which is why I hate that Ai see all these weird and very untrue Arguments against them. Like how they cost a fortune or how it takes hours to charge or how it’s impossible to road trip in one and on and on.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:15 PM (3vQN0)

113 Look at how great that electric F-150 is at towing a modest sized travel trailer. Good luck if you want to go camping more than a few hours drive from your house.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at June 08, 2022 06:15 PM (sgpJf)

114
California?
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 08, 2022 06:14 PM (kf6Ak)

Yup

Posted by: It's me donna at June 08, 2022 06:15 PM (bs+z0)

115 Invisible Bar Manager, maybe.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 08, 2022 06:15 PM (xPIwr)

116 You just want to date Sandy-O, ace. Admit it.
Posted by: Muldoon

"Dating" would imply a dignity that the relationship wouldn't deserve.
Posted by: Tonypete

1 hour 'marriage' comes to mind...

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 08, 2022 06:15 PM (CLKyD)

117 Yellin to me sounds like she's on one of those drugs that suppress the voices in your head.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at June 08, 2022 06:15 PM (Ynyl9)

118 Although she says she expects inflation to remain "high," her plan for dealing with this high inflation to "very much hope" that it will come down.
----

[cues up Frank Sinatra, 'High Hopes']

All problems just a toy balloon
They'll be bursted soon
They're just bound to go pop
Oops, there goes another problem kerplop
Oops, there goes another problem kerplop
Oops, there goes another problem kerplop, kerplop

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 08, 2022 06:15 PM (LPX/3)

119 "Because they’re no more expensive than comparable ICE cars.
Posted by: Joe XiDen "

That's the dumbest thing I've heard all day.

Posted by: fd at June 08, 2022 06:16 PM (vrz2I)

120 It has long been my belief that leftists are placed in certain positions not because they are competent at doing those tasks required, they are installed because they are good party apparatchiks. In fact, not doing their job, refusing to allow anyone else to do their job, is rather kind of the point.

They are there to manage perceptions and get people used to the idea and conditioned to notion that nothing can be done. About anything. Issue some non-sequiters and thought ending cliches, blame Whitey, and call it a day.

I remember years ago some Mosquito borne illness was making the rounds in our state. Very deadly. Our health director just publicly stated "Keep your fingers crossed".

Nothing, not a thing, about maybe spraying for Mosquitos. You know, killing the disease Vectors. Nope. Just hope for the best. About the same time I realized they didn't give fvck all about infectious diseases with respect to wide open borders and masssive illegal migration.

Keep your fingers crossed, people! Maybe everything will fix itself automagically!

Posted by: Common Tater at June 08, 2022 06:16 PM (BptJg)

121 Watching a frail old man fall down a flight of stairs should not be amusing but on at least one occasion it is.
_______________
How about falling up the stairs? Betcha can't do that, chump.
-Scranton Joe

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 08, 2022 06:16 PM (fs1hN)

122 We can still mash and dice and slice him while he's available!
Posted by: Good Scott at June 08, 2022 06:13 PM (6XvFg)

Scattered, smothered, and covered!

Posted by: Waffle House at June 08, 2022 06:16 PM (PiwSw)

123 >>This is always a silly argument. You hate EVs? Fine. Don’t get one. But don’t play the “they are too expensive” card. Because they’re no more expensive than comparable ICE cars.

They make a 3/4 ton EV?

Didn't think so.

Posted by: garrett at June 08, 2022 06:16 PM (gdGaA)

124 107 Jimmy Carter's lowest approval percentage was 28 percent, in late June 1979. When there had been gas lines for at least a month. Food lines AND gas lines in a few months should get Joe below Carter's lowest.
Posted by: crusader at June 08, 2022 06:14 PM (AMIL/)

Hostage crisis was a topper.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 08, 2022 06:16 PM (08ncd)

125
They should measure sandy cortez's teeth and eyes in Giraffes, like they do with asteroids.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at June 08, 2022 06:17 PM (u32OT)

126 I prefer penises of this size as I find them more manageable.

Posted by: AOC at June 08, 2022 06:17 PM (4I/2K)

127 Joe, this is not an attack. Do you own one, or not? I don't, not because of the price, but because they are simply impractical for me.
Posted by: kraken at June 08, 2022 06:10 PM (Vr12I)

------

The affordable EV are really small.

Besides, there are several reasons not to get an electric car. You have to charge it quite often, which makes road trips ridiculous.

And more importantly, global warming/climate change is bullshit, using the convenient system we have for putting the gas in the car makes a lot more sense. Electricity comes from something other than magic and lastly, I like the system of using fossil fuel to power our cars. It's clean and not adding shit to the environment at least not any more than an EV.

ps I think this month is the month we all die from Al Gore's 20 years ago climate prediction.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 08, 2022 06:17 PM (DcKNO)

128 How about falling up the stairs? Betcha can't do that, chump.
-Scranton Joe
Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 08, 2022 06:16 PM (fs1hN)

Yup.. He took a small tumble today

Posted by: It's me donna at June 08, 2022 06:17 PM (bs+z0)

129 Who are these people who approve of Shitbag? I get differences of opinion and all that, but anyone who still supports him has to be insane or retarded or an alien creature of some sort.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 08, 2022 06:17 PM (sWM8x)

130 A military aircraft carrying nuclear material has crashed near Glamis, California, leaving officials to believe all five passengers are dead.

What's that glow on the horizon lovey?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 08, 2022 06:17 PM (fmt/2)

131 Jimmy Carter's lowest approval percentage was 28 percent, in late June 1979. When there had been gas lines for at least a month. Food lines AND gas lines in a few months should get Joe below Carter's lowest.
Posted by: crusader

Hostage crisis was a topper.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop

Jimmah should have asked Amy what his most pressing issue was.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 08, 2022 06:17 PM (Msys3)

132 The price of fuel and other staples may be the grave the Democrats dig for themselves. Once interest rates get to 10% for big loans, it's over. I remember Carter, and what happened for many years afterwards. People like money in THEIR pockets.

Posted by: kraken at June 08, 2022 06:17 PM (Vr12I)

133 biden's approval would be in the 20's if it wasn't for a 100% favorable press.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 08, 2022 06:17 PM (bVYXr)

134 Look, fat! You've got the saying wrong. It's shit in one hand and shit in your pants and see what gets filled first. I'll tell you the answer 15 minutes after eating my choco-choco chip!

Posted by: Puddin' pants Biden at June 08, 2022 06:17 PM (Geoni)

135 Former client thought he was going to get the nod instead of Yellen. Maybe he'll end up with the job after all. Wicked smart but also wicked brainwashed.

Posted by: NCKate at June 08, 2022 06:18 PM (2oJif)

136 Lol the 11k tow that happens with maybe 1% of all trucks sold. Reality is different than f150 commercials. Something like 80% of trucks are never used for towing and the vast majority of the rest tow a 4000 lb boat or uhaul trailer rental.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:18 PM (3vQN0)

137 If you drive where there are chargers and don't go where there is not electricity or roads, electric cars can possibly work if you're willing to spend twice as much as just buying a similarly sized Civic that you don't have to plan for all.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the CEO of Moderna acknowledged the presence of patented sequence in Covid-19 at June 08, 2022 06:18 PM (7rzvW)

138 Why EVs don't make sense for the average driver:

https://tinyurl.com/4d5mxfy5

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at June 08, 2022 06:18 PM (YynYJ)

139 90 I need to tow 11,000 pounds, not drive 180 miles one time.
- owners of 70k trucks
Posted by: Moron Robbie - the CEO of Moderna acknowledged the presence of patented sequence in Covid-19 at June 08, 2022 06:12 PM (7rzvW)
Exactly. When I needed to haul eight 20' diameter cedar logs 16 feet long I didn't reach for the old Tesla. No sir, it was F150 all the way.

Posted by: Eromero at June 08, 2022 06:19 PM (0OP+5)

140 Watching Joe roll down a flight of stairs like Tim Conway's old man would cheer me up.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at June 08, 2022 06:19 PM (YB8AV)

141 EV's are silly and impractical in all use cases, now Hybrids are compelling, and could have been a potential bridge to get to the fantasy world of universal EV adoption, which is physically impossible unless the plan is to dramatically shrink the universe of 1 billion or so vehicles in the world by say 50 pct regardless of the propulsion system.

But alas the maniacs in charge are nothing but rash.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 08, 2022 06:19 PM (jK+sW)

142 and besides, the Democrats need to be leading on this question by at least two or three points to even be competitive.

Yes, this is why we know polls are so trustworthy

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 08, 2022 06:19 PM (KZzsI)

143 There it is.

There it always is.

You don't need a truck.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the CEO of Moderna acknowledged the presence of patented sequence in Covid-19 at June 08, 2022 06:19 PM (7rzvW)

144 This picture has awakened an interest in me, I admit.
Posted by: ace

******

The thumb and forefinger 2-1/2 inches apart seems a little dismissive though.

Posted by: Muldoon at June 08, 2022 06:19 PM (cPDW+)

145 112
Joe, this is not an attack. Do you own one, or not? I don't, not because of the price, but because they are simply impractical for me.
Posted by: kraken at June 08, 2022 06:10 PM (Vr12I)

I do and I love it. Other than classic cars which I also love I’m all in on EVs for future cars I buy. And which is why I hate that Ai see all these weird and very untrue Arguments against them. Like how they cost a fortune or how it takes hours to charge or how it’s impossible to road trip in one and on and on.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:15 PM (3vQN0)

I just live " out a ways" and drive a lot in those areas. Would be a hassle for me.

Posted by: kraken at June 08, 2022 06:19 PM (Vr12I)

146 Just imagine these numbers if the media wasn't doing their best to protect him.

Imagine these numbers if they really went after Biden even a fraction of how they went after Trump.

They would be calling for the 25th, and people would be demanding it.

Posted by: Tommy V at June 08, 2022 06:19 PM (GCivW)

147 Try taking a cross country road trip and get back to us with your EV lovev.

Posted by: garrett at June 08, 2022 06:19 PM (gdGaA)

148 I do and I love it. Other than classic cars which I also love I’m all in on EVs for future cars I buy. And which is why I hate that Ai see all these weird and very untrue Arguments against them. Like how they cost a fortune or how it takes hours to charge or how it’s impossible to road trip in one and on and on.
Posted by: Joe XiDen

Can you haul trailer with nine cars weighing 9000 pounds 200 miles from Bonham Texas to Oklahoma City and back without a charge? Because if you can't then shut the fuck up about me having to have an EV. And that's exactly what the government is telling me I have to do. And they're going to destroy the petroleum industry to do it. Not everyone is like you. Some of us have to do things with trucks.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 08, 2022 06:19 PM (iXsUn)

149 AOC Fun Fact: Ponce de Leon was the first Puerto Rican cross dresser from the Florida Keys to embrace the Latinx label.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 08, 2022 06:20 PM (BP3/z)

150 The girth of those guys from Texas ...

Posted by: AOC at June 08, 2022 06:20 PM (ogku+)

151 I wonder how far an electric truck would tow a tandem axle travel trailer through the mountains.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 08, 2022 06:20 PM (QSjkU)

152 re 97: you have it backwards. She thinks she's smart because of all the guys who listened to her babbling on about socialism and they said things like "you know, I never thought about it that way" and "yeah, now i see what you mean" and "you know, you make a lot of sense" when they were all just trying to score with her.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at June 08, 2022 06:20 PM (Ynyl9)

153 >>> Look at how great that electric F-150 is at towing a modest sized travel trailer. Good luck if you want to go camping more than a few hours drive from your house.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at June 08, 2022 06:15 PM (sgpJf)

It's for towing a decent sized diesel generator and fuel.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 08, 2022 06:20 PM (0fVbu)

154 If EVs were competitive, they'd be competitive.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 08, 2022 06:20 PM (b2nrj)

155 Remain calm! All is well!!!

— WH imported spokeslesbian probably

Posted by: Squid at June 08, 2022 06:20 PM (YEAPn)

156
In case you missed it, here are the Hooter's rejects who "protested" at Joel Osteen's church by nooding themselves.

They look like they need to cut the Carbs and get some exercise.

https://youtu.be/9C_v9yXuCvQ?t=1007

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at June 08, 2022 06:20 PM (u32OT)

157 @98 "Went to BJs for gas earlier - did the buy 4 get 75 cents off discount."

Pretty soon it'll be "giving."

Posted by: Zek at June 08, 2022 06:20 PM (OzNIz)

158 Electric cars are a farce. There is enough oil to provide all the energy much more cheaply and reliably. The climate change bullshit is just a way to control the population and for some folks to get rich off the grift. Only a fool would believe otherwise.

Posted by: fd at June 08, 2022 06:20 PM (vrz2I)

159 car. You have to charge it quite often, which makes road trips ridiculous.

—-

mine has a real world range of 250. That is actual driving with people in the car, and the ac on, up and down hills, etc. That’s 3-4 hours of driving at highway speed. I don’t know about yiu but EV or no EV I’m not driving more than 4 hours without taking a break.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:21 PM (3vQN0)

160 ...20' diameter cedar logs

******

Dayum! Those are downright giirthy!!

Posted by: Muldoon at June 08, 2022 06:21 PM (cPDW+)

161 re 151: doesn't matter, you don't need any of that stuff. Saving the planet is much more important.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at June 08, 2022 06:21 PM (Ynyl9)

162 Is Dr. Ben Carson a brain-eating zombie? I'm not clicking on or reading the pop-up ads (clearly), but that's just the general vibe I'm getting from one of them.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 08, 2022 06:21 PM (G6DU0)

163 Basically, leaving the wacky gender crap/perversion endorsement crap out, everything sucks because oil is too high and drives up the cost of everything. Why is oil high, especially because two years ago it wasn't? Because the creeps in chief decided we shouldn't have any as they want everything to be unicorn powered (mostly cause electric based Big Tech wants to rule the world). Everyone knows this on some level. The creeps in chief did this on purpose.

Posted by: azjaeger at June 08, 2022 06:21 PM (pwPre)

164 >> If EVs were competitive, they'd be competitive.

Next to a Trans Kid, thye virtue signal better than anything on the road.

Posted by: garrett at June 08, 2022 06:21 PM (gdGaA)

165 >> I don’t know about yiu but EV or no EV I’m not driving more than 4 hours without taking a break.

Fag

Posted by: garrett at June 08, 2022 06:22 PM (gdGaA)

166 How there isn't video of A O-C in a sex tape I have no idea

Posted by: Skip's phone at June 08, 2022 06:22 PM (2JoB8)

167 158 Electric cars are a farce. There is enough oil to provide all the energy much more cheaply and reliably. The climate change bullshit is just a way to control the population and for some folks to get rich off the grift. Only a fool would believe otherwise.
Posted by: fd at June 08, 2022 06:20 PM (vrz2I)

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This x1000

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 08, 2022 06:22 PM (DcKNO)

168 94 >This is always a silly argument. You hate EVs? Fine. Don’t get one. But don’t play the “they are too expensive” card. Because they’re no more expensive than comparable ICE cars.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:08 PM

They are a lot more expensive than the car you own.

Posted by: Javems at June 08, 2022 06:22 PM (AmoqO)

169 $ 6.19 at Costco.. $6.49 at some discount stations
Posted by: It's me donna at

California?
Posted by: vmom stabby

Must be... $5.19 at Costco yesterday, Mesa AZ.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 08, 2022 06:22 PM (CLKyD)

170 "Because they’re no more expensive than comparable ICE cars.
Posted by: Joe XiDen "

That's the dumbest thing I've heard all day.
Posted by: fd

There's honestly a lot to consider. Electricity isn't free, but I wonder about the lifetime cost of owning and EV (and charging) versus the cost of gasoline (lifetime) for and equivalent sized car, which is likely well over $5/gallon (national average...your local price will likely vary). I don't see it dropping again.
No oil changes. Not much engine maintenance. No exhaust system.
And there is also the cost of installing a charging station in your house/garage. (one time capital cost) And possibly replacing the battery pack at some point in the life of the EV. Not cheap.
The entry level Teslas are around $45k-50k. The nicer models are more expensive.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at June 08, 2022 06:22 PM (vcOmj)

171 >>>You just want to date Sandy-O, ace. Admit it.
Posted by: Muldoon

This picture has awakened an interest in me, I admit.
Posted by: ace at June 08, 2022 06:13 PM (AkbRF)
........

If by "date" you mean ____ oh yea

Posted by: wth at June 08, 2022 06:22 PM (v0R5T)

172 If EVs were competitive, they'd be competitive.

Tautology is wayciss.

Posted by: Squid at June 08, 2022 06:22 PM (YEAPn)

173 wonder how far an electric truck would tow a tandem axle travel trailer through the mountains.

*

Car and Driver tested the towing ability of the top of the line 100k+ or so super awesome Rivian electric truck recently.

30-40 miles iirc. Not even a trip between two chargers.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the CEO of Moderna acknowledged the presence of patented sequence in Covid-19 at June 08, 2022 06:23 PM (7rzvW)

174 159 car. You have to charge it quite often, which makes road trips ridiculous.

—-

mine has a real world range of 250. That is actual driving with people in the car, and the ac on, up and down hills, etc. That’s 3-4 hours of driving at highway speed. I don’t know about yiu but EV or no EV I’m not driving more than 4 hours without taking a break.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:21 PM (3vQN0)

FWIW, I think about EVs like I think about the covid vaxx - if you want it, fine, if you don't, fine also. Individual choice in either case.

Posted by: kraken at June 08, 2022 06:23 PM (Vr12I)

175 I drive a 30 year old s10. I think all modern vehicles are stupidly expensive.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos (meh, it's a living) at June 08, 2022 06:23 PM (3DZIZ)

176 >how it takes hours to charge or how it’s impossible to road trip in one and on and on.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:15 PM (3vQN0)

https://archive.ph/pRmNa

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at June 08, 2022 06:23 PM (sgpJf)

177 My guess is real number is about 25%

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 08, 2022 06:23 PM (yrol0)

178 Well, God let Jimmy Carter live long enough to see a president that sucked worse than he did.

Posted by: 29Victor at June 08, 2022 06:23 PM (BJKQV)

179 OT, I have had my antennae up all day for news regarding the (rumored) dropping of DUI charges for the spouse of the Speaker.
Not seeing a thing other than the Leo Terrel tweet.
So either it is really hush hush or it's not happening.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 08, 2022 06:23 PM (jTmQV)

180 The message is clear: Democrats suck balls. I don't think they need to repackage that. Everyone already can see it plainly.

Posted by: Roy at June 08, 2022 06:23 PM (Ti+Tv)

181 Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at June 08, 2022 06:20 PM (u32OT

Why were they protesting Joel Osteen?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 08, 2022 06:23 PM (l7p9i)

182 Joel Osteen is a textbook example of false teacher. The very kind Jesus and the Apostles warned against. He is a tool of Satan.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 08, 2022 06:23 PM (QSjkU)

183 Chomperx is playing it too hard to the camera
she used to be coy, that's gone, it's overbearing.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 08, 2022 06:23 PM (ihU8z)

184 33% approval rating is on par with President Lyman in "Seven Days in May"

Posted by: Archer at June 08, 2022 06:24 PM (gmo/4)

185 mine has a real world range of 250. That is actual driving with people in the car, and the ac on, up and down hills, etc. That’s 3-4 hours of driving at highway speed. I don’t know about yiu but EV or no EV I’m not driving more than 4 hours without taking a break.
Posted by: Joe XiDen

Again, not everyone is you. I regularly drive to Houston which is six hours without a stop, except for gas. I would drive from East Texas to Chicago which is 14 hours. Some of us have things to do and it's not practical. But the government isn't going to give us an option. They're going to destroy the petroleum industry for the pie in the sky bullshit.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 08, 2022 06:24 PM (iXsUn)

186 mine has a real world range of 250. That is actual driving with people in the car, and the ac on, up and down hills, etc. That’s 3-4 hours of driving at highway speed. I don’t know about yiu but EV or no EV I’m not driving more than 4 hours without taking a break.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:21 PM (3vQN0)

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So every where you go past 250, let's say across the country you know where to find a charging station? One that works. Even Newsom admitted 25% of the charging stations in CA don't work.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 08, 2022 06:24 PM (DcKNO)

187 175 I drive a 30 year old s10. I think all modern vehicles are stupidly expensive.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos (meh, it's a living) at June 08, 2022 06:23 PM (3DZIZ)

This is true.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 08, 2022 06:24 PM (08ncd)

188 Sock off

And FJB

And it's impossible to compare value of IC vs EV, because the whole EV value chain is full of subsidies and bribes. Their actual cost to produce, if the distortions went away? Probably double what gets reported.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at June 08, 2022 06:24 PM (2KTM9)

189 130 A military aircraft carrying nuclear material has crashed near Glamis, California, leaving officials to believe all five passengers are dead.

What's that glow on the horizon lovey?
Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 08, 2022 06:17 PM (fmt/2)
---
It's offputting that you think five dead Marines is something to laugh at. You've done it twice. You can fuck right off, bitch.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 08, 2022 06:24 PM (sWM8x)

190 Why were they protesting Joel Osteen?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 08, 2022 06:23 PM (l7p9i)

182 Joel Osteen is a textbook example of false teacher. The very kind Jesus and the Apostles warned against. He is a tool of Satan.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 08, 2022 06:23 PM (QSjkU)

Cause they think he is a Christian!

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 08, 2022 06:24 PM (yrol0)

191 From the link I posted:

the price of an EV is roughly double that of a similarly capable ICE (internal combustion engine) vehicle. if you’re looking for something at all reasonably ranged (and not one of the tiny “about town” toycar EV’s) you’re going to be paying $50-60k.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at June 08, 2022 06:24 PM (YynYJ)

192 138 Why EVs don't make sense for the average driver:

https://tinyurl.com/4d5mxfy5
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at June 08, 2022 06:18 PM (YynYJ)

You all should read this... I had no idea about some of this

Posted by: It's me donna at June 08, 2022 06:25 PM (bs+z0)

193 I could see where getting an electric car makes sense. Once I start commuting back to the office, a Civic sized EV for $25k would be about right for me. Since I don't think extra CO2 is bad for the environment, I won't care that fossil fuels are providing the electricity. I would care though if more and more people got EVs such that rolling blackouts would become the norm. Oh, and I'd still have a regular gas burning vehicle for road trips.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 08, 2022 06:25 PM (fs1hN)

194
They chose Joel Osteen's church because it's on TV?

And because Joel Osteen and Jesus don't like abortion.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at June 08, 2022 06:25 PM (u32OT)

195 meanwhile, you can buy a honda accord for $26,500 and get similar/better features and reliability with well over twice the driving range between refueling. (most ev’s are around 200-225mi range, less if you drive faster. an accord exceeds 500mi HWY on a 14.8g tank)
the math here is not kind to the EV buyer.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at June 08, 2022 06:25 PM (YynYJ)

196 No one needs to drive 180 miles at a time.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the CEO of Moderna acknowledged the presence of patented sequence in Covid-19 at June 08, 2022 06:25 PM (7rzvW)

197 Why were they protesting Joel Osteen?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 08, 2022 06:23 PM (l7p9i)

182 Joel Osteen is a textbook example of false teacher. The very kind Jesus and the Apostles warned against. He is a tool of Satan.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 08, 2022 06:23 PM (QSjkU)

If you are a business man with a jet, you got a chance to get to Heaven.

If you are a preacher with a jet, you are fucked.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 08, 2022 06:25 PM (yrol0)

198 and... I won't be surprised if the Green New Dealers were to get their way and the gov't forced the fossil fuel industry to start closing down... and they then go to court to stop all the green projects in order to protect our delicate deserts and all the endangered birds that would be flying into those wind turbines.

15th century, here we come. We'll need bigger paper money if we expect the zillion dollar bill to feature a pic of AOX grinning.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at June 08, 2022 06:26 PM (Ynyl9)

199 And now for something completely different.

I have no idea why the Methodists would want to split up.

https://is.gd/D7nnSe

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at June 08, 2022 06:26 PM (PiwSw)

200
btw, that's the first time I've ever heard Joel Osteen say "Jesus."

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at June 08, 2022 06:26 PM (u32OT)

201 If you have to drive more than 40 miles a day, you are a sinner.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 08, 2022 06:26 PM (yrol0)

202 Ford F-150 Lightning loses about half its range when towing a 23-foot Airstream trailer

https://is.gd/5kkZcR

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at June 08, 2022 06:26 PM (sgpJf)

203 Let the EV wars begin...

Posted by: That guy who always says... at June 08, 2022 06:26 PM (Xrfse)

204 Posted by: Bozo Conservative

We could easily have $1.80 a gallon gasoline again. But unless they build more electric generating stations, electricity isn't going down.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 08, 2022 06:26 PM (iXsUn)

205 There are charts to back it up:

the bottom line is this: over 5 years, with a typical 1,200 mi/mo use pattern, the EV driver will have spent over $30k more than the honda buyer over 5 years. this is literally enough to buy a second honda and have money to spare.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at June 08, 2022 06:26 PM (YynYJ)

206 Lol the 11k tow that happens with maybe 1% of all trucks sold. Reality is different than f150 commercials. Something like 80% of trucks are never used for towing and the vast majority of the rest tow a 4000 lb boat or uhaul trailer rental.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:18 PM

You obviously don't live in rural Texas.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 08, 2022 06:27 PM (bVYXr)

207 I very much hope that the next time the doorbell rings it will be Alexandria Daddario in lingerie, carrying a bottle of Pappy van Winkle 23-year old bourbon.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 08, 2022 06:27 PM (XIJ/X)

208 re 197: an old friend once said that any preacher who owns more than two suits is a phony. Anyone besides me remember what that ABC show did to Robert Tilton?

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at June 08, 2022 06:27 PM (Ynyl9)

209 200
btw, that's the first time I've ever heard Joel Osteen say "Jesus."

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at June 08, 2022 06:26 PM (u32OT)

Jesus Christ, why are receipts so low today!

Posted by: Joel at June 08, 2022 06:27 PM (yrol0)

210 All problems are transitory.

Then you die and they are no longer a problem.

If Biden was a fireman he would put out fires by fanning the

Posted by: Minuteman at June 08, 2022 06:27 PM (LaNzR)

211 Did that idiot just say that she drove from Michigan to DC and *laughed* every time she drove past a gas station?

Liar.

She did not drive. and if she did she cried at the idea that she needed a charge and couldn't just fill it up.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at June 08, 2022 06:27 PM (ZdXg1)

212 Seriously, take a look at it:

even if the gird could support large numbers of EV’s and we have the ability to build the batteries etc, the TCO is vastly higher than an ICE even with gas costs this high. in fact, to reach break even for a typical driver, the price of gas would need to be about $20.25/gallo

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at June 08, 2022 06:27 PM (YynYJ)

213 Electric cars will not scale
Will not scale
Will not scale

Don't believe a word those people tell you about anything, they lie about everything including "The" "and" etc.

They are just following orders, but they want to destroy the middle class, or what's left of it. Everything they've been doing for 50 years is based upon destroying the family, economic security, community, security, sovereignty and self determination.

If you hadn't noticed. Energy (and Food) is the Linchpin.

If you hadn't noticed

Posted by: Common Tater at June 08, 2022 06:27 PM (BptJg)

214 I be thinks the most importent thin g in America today is Gay Rites. Gays is be the future and must be pretected....

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at June 08, 2022 06:27 PM (1Sfr8)

215 Let the EV wars begin...
Posted by: That guy who always says...

There's nothing to fight about. If EV's were cost competitive to internal combustion engine vehicles, that's where it would be. Money talks bullshit walks.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 08, 2022 06:28 PM (iXsUn)

216 He's going to hit a new low of 39% every week for the next three months, isn't he?

Posted by: t-bird at June 08, 2022 06:28 PM (D6lWx)

217 EV + Life threatening Evacuation Scenario = Death

It's math I know, but it's also science. Believe the science.

Posted by: Archer at June 08, 2022 06:28 PM (gmo/4)

218 Did Osteen offer the protesters the chance to start living their best lives now?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at June 08, 2022 06:28 PM (YB8AV)

219 215 Let the EV wars begin...
Posted by: That guy who always says...

There's nothing to fight about. If EV's were cost competitive to internal combustion engine vehicles, that's where it would be. Money talks bullshit walks.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 08, 2022 06:28 PM (iXsUn)

EVs have only been around for longer than ICE cars, they just need more time to become competitive.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 08, 2022 06:28 PM (b2nrj)

220 So apparently the local Costco has a line 8 cars deep for each gas lane.

*Nah, it'll be fine*

Posted by: Bete at June 08, 2022 06:28 PM (uiT+8)

221 You know who I guaran-double-damn-tee wouldn't know the first thing about solving ANY problem ?

People like "Democratic strategist Christy Setzer" who fret over getting out the "right message"

What message, you moronic bimbo ? That gas prices and inflation just keep going up, up, up and Joe Biden and the other Democrats have no intention of doing anything about it ? And the only thing they DO want to do is give away another $3 trillion in free money that will make it even worse ? Stupid twat

Posted by: deadrody at June 08, 2022 06:28 PM (SnywI)

222 btw, that's the first time I've ever heard Joel Osteen say "Jesus."

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at June 08, 2022 06:26 PM (u32OT)

Was he swatting away a hornet at the time? Cuz that's what I say when I see a hornet.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at June 08, 2022 06:28 PM (xPJvm)

223 >>> 199 And now for something completely different.

I have no idea why the Methodists would want to split up.

https://is.gd/D7nnSe
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at June 08, 2022 06:26 PM (PiwSw)

AOC thinks this will inspire a bunch of Latinx to convert to the United Methodist Church.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 08, 2022 06:28 PM (llON8)

224 205 There are charts to back it up:

the bottom line is this: over 5 years, with a typical 1,200 mi/mo use pattern, the EV driver will have spent over $30k more than the honda buyer over 5 years. this is literally enough to buy a second honda and have money to spare.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at June 08, 2022 06:26 PM (YynYJ)

Go buy a Prius. Ill buy a corolla. When I spend the diff in $$$ you get to start driving.

I will be about 60k miles down the road.

Posted by: Joel at June 08, 2022 06:28 PM (yrol0)

225 I don't think Joel is a Calvinist. Upon reflecting some more, I don't think he's Arminian either.

Posted by: kraken at June 08, 2022 06:29 PM (Vr12I)

226
The Bad Cat is one of the best substacks out there.

Very good article where he turned his analytic skills on the EV question, and shows what a joke it is.

We are being led by some very stupid and/or very evil people. Green, "renewables", and EVs are Jim Jones Kool-Aide for the American way of life.

Green is death.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 08, 2022 06:29 PM (Mzdiz)

227 Fen,

I think the young ladies were protesting the impending overturning of Roe, and mistakenly though that they were at a Christian church. I also assume their Handmaid's Tale outfits were at the cleaners...

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at June 08, 2022 06:29 PM (PiwSw)

228 >>>how it takes hours to charge or how it’s impossible to road trip in one and on and on.

>I, for one, will eat chicken wings at the local roadhouse for three hours while my EV charges long enough to get me to the next trucker's rest stop. Put the kWh on my smartphone, bitches.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 08, 2022 06:29 PM (BP3/z)

229 sexmex _ the browser, not a website, ' you have just entered a meme gesture, would you like to know more about meme gestures?'

WTF, what it happening to this world?
It's the zippers.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 08, 2022 06:29 PM (ihU8z)

230 If you don't speak of the left wing wanna be assassins, did they ever exist to being with?

Sounds like a reich wing conspiracy to me.

Posted by: Fool Otto at June 08, 2022 06:29 PM (DB16e)

231 Electric cars will not scale

And that's ok. They're not for everybody, if you know what we mean...

Posted by: The Elite at June 08, 2022 06:30 PM (D6lWx)

232 How do you know if a person you've just met is vegan?
They tell you and tell you to try it.

How do you know if someone you just met owns and EV?
The tell you and tell you you should too.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 08, 2022 06:30 PM (CLKyD)

233 Every Chevy EV get build and charged at the factory in Lansing.

95.5% COAL POWERED.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 08, 2022 06:30 PM (yrol0)

234 yes, osteen is pure tapioca, devoid of any nutritional content, sort of placibo christianity,

Posted by: no 6 at June 08, 2022 06:30 PM (i0Lci)

235 And, why shouldn't Americans have the right to choose what they want to drive? If I have the capability to carry a load or tow a trailer, I can use it when I need to.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at June 08, 2022 06:30 PM (YynYJ)

236 You obviously don't live in rural Texas.
Posted by: Mister Scott

He's also not a blue-collar worker hauling tools and equipment.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 08, 2022 06:30 PM (iXsUn)

237 217 EV + Life threatening Evacuation Scenario = Death

We had a huge fire here in NorCal in 2018 and some folks died because their cars were in the garage and the electricity was out.. They couldn't open the door.. Granted they were older, but they just didn't have enough time to break down their doors

Posted by: It's me donna at June 08, 2022 06:30 PM (bs+z0)

238 No battery will ever have the energy density of gasoline. If someone could figure out how to use create hydrocarbon chains using electricity, that would be a start. Create gas out of air. It's dumb, but it's a lot less dumb than trying to power your car with a windmill.

Posted by: 29Victor at June 08, 2022 06:30 PM (BJKQV)

239 You know what polls are for?

Posted by: Gina Gershon at June 08, 2022 06:31 PM (gYDh0)

240 I was doing back of the envelope calculations for the TxMoMe. 15 hours from Lexington to Corsicana. This car (Mustang GT) is a bit better for long trips than the last one (Miata) at least on me, gas is another matter entirely.

Another note: every year for the entire time my grandparents were alive, we drove down to El Paso from Sountern Indiana. Straight through. 23 hours.

Part of the thing I HATE about the push for EVs is that it restricts movement and freedom. You can like EVs all you like (and I will admit some of the short term performance abilities are intriguing) BUT right now, the range and freedom of movement is not there.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 08, 2022 06:31 PM (08ncd)

241 Green is death.

Green is control.

Posted by: Squid at June 08, 2022 06:31 PM (YEAPn)

242 I mean, I don't care if you want an EV or not. But they have different use cases from ICE vehicles. I can't stand the gaslighting that the two types are interchangeable. I also despise the Great Reset push to force us away from ICE vehicles (really all personal automobiles).

But I guess if it doesn't apply to within 10 miles of your home, it doesn't matter or something.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at June 08, 2022 06:31 PM (sgpJf)

243 Jesus Christ, why are receipts so low today!
Posted by: Joel at June 08, 2022 06:27 PM (yrol0)

Exactly.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 08, 2022 06:31 PM (QSjkU)

244 As long as you got the 30% that is willing to riot you are good to go.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 08, 2022 06:31 PM (e/hAB)

245
All problems are transitory.

Then you die and they are no longer a problem.
Posted by: Minuteman

The famous shitty economist, John Keynes, famously said something like, "In the long run, we're all dead."

Keynes was a big govt, big, big spending advocate. Keynes said not to worry about later (consequences), worry about the present.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at June 08, 2022 06:31 PM (u32OT)

246 sexmex.com does not appear to be a real website.

So cruel, so cruel.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 08, 2022 06:31 PM (yQpMk)

247 >>> 206 Lol the 11k tow that happens with maybe 1% of all trucks sold. Reality is different than f150 commercials. Something like 80% of trucks are never used for towing and the vast majority of the rest tow a 4000 lb boat or uhaul trailer rental.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:18 PM

You obviously don't live in rural Texas.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 08, 2022 06:27 PM (bVYXr)

Rural *anywhere* really. But you could search youtube for farm vids, or probably "dirty jobs" for that matter, and get an idea of the work being done with trucks.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 08, 2022 06:32 PM (llON8)

248 But I guess if it doesn't apply to within 10 miles of your home, it doesn't matter or something.

*

Buy your $130k compact car and shut up.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the CEO of Moderna acknowledged the presence of patented sequence in Covid-19 at June 08, 2022 06:32 PM (7rzvW)

249 Weird how all the proponents of electric cars ignore things like how long it takes to charge them; how they seem to catch fire often; the huge quantity of rare earth elements necessary to make them; how detrimental mining these elements is to the environment and to the little children who are usually the miners...

Went to an antique and vintage car rally for Memorial Day and there were cars there from as far back as the 1930's and they were STILL running! Some hotshot was there with his new electric truck and he was braying like a donkey over it. I made the prediction that his car wouldn't last ten years, while every other car at that rally will still be running. ( oh, and did I mention that you can actually FIX an old combustion engine car if it breaks down? Good luck fixing the electric ones...)

Posted by: RondinellaMamma Donald J. Trump is our duly elected president at June 08, 2022 06:32 PM (l0Cy4)

250
Milton Friedman > keynes.

I think they debated. I dunno.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at June 08, 2022 06:32 PM (u32OT)

251 We need more EWBs!!! Electric Wine Boxes. *hic*

Posted by: Suburban Wine Moms at June 08, 2022 06:32 PM (Xrfse)

252 We could easily have $1.80 a gallon gasoline again. But unless they build more electric generating stations, electricity isn't going down.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT

I dunno about ever seeing $1.80 gas again, but if oil stabilized at $65-75/barrel, gas would be about half what it is now. ~ $2.50 /gallon
The electric grid is weaker now that it has been ever in my life.
I know of 4 coal burning power stations torn down on the Ohio River (Ohio side). One was really big, and one was only about 30 years old.
Ohio used to be an electric exporting state. Now, after California, it is the second largest electricity IMPORTER.
This is all planned. This did not just happen.
People are going to get crushed by this.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at June 08, 2022 06:33 PM (vcOmj)

253 They are a lot more expensive than the car you own.
Posted by: Javems at June 08, 2022 06:22 PM (AmoqO

A new car will always be more expensive than a used one you own. I said comparable. Take a new mid level EV and a comparable mid level ICE car with the same options and the price is not really any different. Same with used cars. But don’t compare a 10 year old ICE car to a new EV and say it’s more expensive. Because yeah no shit.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:33 PM (3vQN0)

254 It was almost like Bad Cat was hanging out here and got tired of the topic coming up. But it is a good explaination of why it doesn't make sense for most. We know they are pushing for it because they want to strip us of mobility.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at June 08, 2022 06:33 PM (YynYJ)

255 There's nothing to fight about. If EV's were cost competitive to internal combustion engine vehicles, that's where it would be. Money talks bullshit walks.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 08, 2022 06:28 PM (iXsUn)

EVs have only been around for longer than ICE cars, they just need more time to become competitive.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 08, 2022 06:28 PM

Electric vehicles have been around for over 120 years. If they were going to work, we would all be driving them already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_05ddNt_-8

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 08, 2022 06:33 PM (bVYXr)

256
Anyway, today's govt spending would make even John Maynard Keynes pause and say it's crazy.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at June 08, 2022 06:34 PM (u32OT)

257 Planned obsolesence is a thing, and seems to be growing exponetially.

Posted by: kraken at June 08, 2022 06:34 PM (Vr12I)

258 239 You know what polls are for?
Posted by: Gina Gershon at June 08, 2022 06:31 PM (gYDh0)

Stripping!

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 08, 2022 06:34 PM (yrol0)

259 >>> 241 Green is death.

Green is control.
Posted by: Squid at June 08, 2022 06:31 PM (YEAPn)

Folks, no need to argue. It's both!

Posted by: Great Resetters at June 08, 2022 06:34 PM (llON8)

260 Ohio used to be an electric exporting state. Now, after California, it is the second largest electricity IMPORTER.
_________________
Wait a minute, Ohio is run by Republicans. WTF is this?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 08, 2022 06:34 PM (fs1hN)

261 A new car will always be more expensive than a used one you own. I said comparable. Take a new mid level EV and a comparable mid level ICE car with the same options and the price is not really any different. Same with used cars. But don’t compare a 10 year old ICE car to a new EV and say it’s more expensive. Because yeah no shit.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:33 PM (3vQN0)

There is also the matter of the battery packs needing replacing, eventually.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 08, 2022 06:34 PM (08ncd)

262 ...but they just didn't have enough time to LEARN HOW TO RELEASE A SINGLE CATCH AND MANUALLY ROLL IT UP WITH ALMOST NO EFFORT.
Posted by: It's me donna at June 08, 2022 06:30 PM

Fixed it for you.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 08, 2022 06:34 PM (G6DU0)

263 The Green New Deal is a suicide pact, Morons.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 08, 2022 06:34 PM (BP3/z)

264 Rural *anywhere* really. But you could search youtube for farm vids, or probably "dirty jobs" for that matter, and get an idea of the work being done with trucks.

*

Yep. It's also a fairly easy way to tell Yankee locusts who have recently moved to the south.

Like an axe, if you need a truck to tow something, a Tesla ain't doing it. Shut up trying to convince people it's equivalent to someone owning a nice truck.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the CEO of Moderna acknowledged the presence of patented sequence in Covid-19 at June 08, 2022 06:34 PM (7rzvW)

265 Jesus Christ, why are receipts so low today!
Posted by: Joel at June 08, 2022 06:27 PM (yrol0)

How do these people think I'm going to fuel my gulfstream?

Posted by: Archer at June 08, 2022 06:35 PM (gmo/4)

266 My truck is not big, it's a Nissan Frontier. But there is no way an electric version of it would even come close to how handy my truck is. Bah! This topic is dumb!

gonna take a while, but the electric car is a fad and it will go away.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at June 08, 2022 06:35 PM (xPJvm)

267 My F150 is an EV
it has a battery

Posted by: DB at June 08, 2022 06:35 PM (geLO8)

268 Green is death, the Gaia Religion would rather a pure earth without humans

Posted by: Skip's phone at June 08, 2022 06:35 PM (2JoB8)

269 Publius,

Have you been reading this Covid Substack? He gets a bit technical for me

https://tinyurl.com/6b754f2d

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at June 08, 2022 06:35 PM (YynYJ)

270
btw, where are the muslim girls in the mosques ripping off their burkas, screaming "my booty, my choice?"

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at June 08, 2022 06:35 PM (u32OT)

271 The Government wants me to give up my guns and buy an electric truck. Therefore, I shall drive a gasoline or diesel truck and keep my fucking guns. Its just that simple.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 08, 2022 06:35 PM (QSjkU)

272 Wait a minute, Ohio is run by Republicans. WTF is this?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 08, 2022 06:34 PM (fs1hN)

So is Texas, and they can't keep the lights on either.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 08, 2022 06:35 PM (yQpMk)

273 261 A new car will always be more expensive than a used one you own. I said comparable. Take a new mid level EV and a comparable mid level ICE car with the same options and the price is not really any different. Same with used cars. But don’t compare a 10 year old ICE car to a new EV and say it’s more expensive. Because yeah no shit.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:33 PM (3vQN0)

There is also the matter of the battery packs needing replacing, eventually.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 08, 2022 06:34 PM (08ncd)

Hell taxes on a 40k truck is around 3k. Thats about a years driving.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 08, 2022 06:36 PM (yrol0)

274 So take a new $35k Nissan leaf with 100 mile range and compare it to a $25k Civic that you can drive anywhere?

Okay. If you insist.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the CEO of Moderna acknowledged the presence of patented sequence in Covid-19 at June 08, 2022 06:36 PM (7rzvW)

275 Whelp... that EV connoisseur had their ass handed to them.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 08, 2022 06:36 PM (BFigT)

276 btw, where are the muslim girls in the mosques ripping off their burkas, screaming "my booty, my choice?"
Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at June 08, 2022 06:35 PM

Dead.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 08, 2022 06:36 PM (RkC6l)

277 Fooking tedious.

I'm heading home in my gas fueled truck.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at June 08, 2022 06:36 PM (xPJvm)

278 >>> 268 Green is death, the Gaia Religion would rather a pure earth without humans
Posted by: Skip's phone at June 08, 2022 06:35 PM (2JoB

Those asshoes have been yapping about this since... well before I was 29.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 08, 2022 06:36 PM (llON8)

279 If I don't want to buy a car right now forcing me to buy an electric car is idiotic and that is the real problem.

They are trying to force people out of their current vehicles. For Gaia.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 08, 2022 06:37 PM (ZLI7S)

280 Do you think AOC wears hispanx?

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos (meh, it's a living) at June 08, 2022 06:37 PM (3DZIZ)

281 Police budgets are more dire than we thought.

https://bit.ly/3zrSE0O

Posted by: bonhomme at June 08, 2022 06:37 PM (eyxn4)

282 Biden identifying as AOC tribe tomorrow. fuck you haters.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at June 08, 2022 06:37 PM (oWBc3)

283 Like I said, CA can only keep 75% of it's charging stations working. They already have rolling blackouts. Let's pretend you get 40% of the state in the next 10 years to get EV, HTF are you going to charge your car during a rolling blackout?

In other words, it's obvious they don't have the infrastructure or the power to keep homes cool and drive EVs.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 08, 2022 06:37 PM (DcKNO)

284 gonna take a while, but the electric car is a fad and it will go away.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at June 08, 2022 06:35 PM (xPJvm)

I am not willing to go that far, but I do not think the tech is there yet. There are some interesting things about them, but a lot of the people pushing them like them for entirely different reasons than I find intriguing.

I like gadgets- even if they are somewhat impractical. Let me tell you about my love of the airship concept some time.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 08, 2022 06:37 PM (08ncd)

285 btw, where are the muslim girls in the mosques ripping off their burkas, screaming "my booty, my choice?"

Those are all drug users. You can tell because immediately after they try that they get stoned.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at June 08, 2022 06:37 PM (Bd6X8)

286 Electric cars will not scale.

Solar won't scale. No one has been able to tell me just how big of a solar farm they need and how big of a battery bank they need to run a 70 story high-rise 24 seven 365.

Where do the solar panels go? What's the line loss to get the juice from the solar farm to the building?

That's one building. Now do an entire downtown of a major city.

Remember, ALL of these questions HAVE TO BE ANSWERED before you go turning off power generating stations.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 08, 2022 06:37 PM (iXsUn)

287 Evening.

I think I agree with Glenn Reynolds when he says getting AOC was Roger Stone's greatest political dirty trick.

Posted by: Robert at June 08, 2022 06:37 PM (nzUgC)

288 So is Texas, and they can't keep the lights on either.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 08, 2022 06:35 PM (yQpMk)

ERCOT
Is neither energy or reliable

Do we not have a nice hanging tree anymore?

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 08, 2022 06:37 PM (yrol0)

289 I did haul hay bales in the back of a Gremlin. It was messy

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at June 08, 2022 06:38 PM (YynYJ)

290 How do you know if a person you've just met is vegan?
They tell you and tell you to try it.

How do you know if someone you just met owns and EV?
The tell you and tell you you should too.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 08, 2022 06:30 PM

* flexes *

Posted by: Crossfitter at June 08, 2022 06:38 PM (a3Q+t)

291 With Democrat numbers that bad, the GOP is going to have to work extra hard to lose this November. I think they're up to the task, though!

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 08, 2022 06:38 PM (m0zqP)

292 I own two 4x4 F350's. 1990 7.5l V-8 and a 2006 6.8l V-10.
Both gas, both bought brand new and used extensively for road trips, Baja, hauling, towing, helping friends and family move, etc. My brother borrowed one to bring an airplane engine north from Santa Barbara.
Make me an offer for either one and I'll laugh.

Posted by: wth at June 08, 2022 06:38 PM (v0R5T)

293 It would be funnier to think the woman were protesting Osteen because they want to have more theological depth in his sermons "Osteen's gotta go!!. We believe in TULIP heigh dee ho". rather than they were picketing his large church because he presents himself as firmly pro-life. Does he?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 08, 2022 06:38 PM (l7p9i)

294 There is also the matter of the battery packs needing replacing, eventually.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 08, 2022 06:34 PM (08ncd)

MooMoo blows the engines on all his BMWs every few years, so it's a moot point.

Posted by: actual argument from MooMoo at June 08, 2022 06:38 PM (gYDh0)

295 My CPA told me this morning about one their clients who business just burned to the ground. The cause? A lithium battery in a UPS (uninterruptible power source).

Posted by: fd at June 08, 2022 06:38 PM (vrz2I)

296 Rural *anywhere* really. But you could search youtube for farm vids, or probably "dirty jobs" for that matter, and get an idea of the work being done with trucks.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 08, 2022 06:32 PM (llON

Yes and those trucks are a very small % of all trucks in the country. For every truck pulling 11k pounds there are 80 that have never towed anything.

Both my neighbors have trucks. I would bet neither of them knows how to hook up a trailer. They are basically luxury cars that are just big. Which is cool but whatever you want. But stop making these ridiculous edge case reasons why EVs can’t be a thing. And also in case you haven’t noticed both the f150 lightning and Rvian trucks are on sale now, both can tow a whole bunch too.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:38 PM (3vQN0)

297 Soylent Green, you're the green, get it?

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at June 08, 2022 06:38 PM (oWBc3)

298 Keynes was also a notable pedophile communist

Posted by: Common Tater at June 08, 2022 06:38 PM (BptJg)

299 >>> 286 Electric cars will not scale.
==
Solar won't scale. No one has been able to tell me just how big of a solar farm they need and how big of a battery bank they need to run a 70 story high-rise 24 seven 365.

Where do the solar panels go? What's the line loss to get the juice from the solar farm to the building?

That's one building. Now do an entire downtown of a major city.

Remember, ALL of these questions HAVE TO BE ANSWERED before you go turning off power generating stations.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 08, 2022 06:37 PM (iXsUn)

*tee hee* We're already turning them off.

Posted by: Great Resetters at June 08, 2022 06:38 PM (llON8)

300 Ohio used to be an electric exporting state. Now, after California, it is the second largest electricity IMPORTER.
_________________
Wait a minute, Ohio is run by Republicans. WTF is this?
Posted by: Chuck Martel

It has nothing to do with the state government. They don't control the Federal EPA, which has made it impossible for coal-fired power plants to rebuild (which they have to do periodically to their fireboxes for their boilers), and then get re-certified.
AEP sold all the coal-fired plants to Duke Energy, and they idled them, then tore them down.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at June 08, 2022 06:38 PM (vcOmj)

301 Wait a minute, Ohio is run by Republicans. WTF is this?

Aww, that's adorable.

Posted by: The EPA at June 08, 2022 06:38 PM (D6lWx)

302 207 I very much hope that the next time the doorbell rings it will be Alexandria Daddario in lingerie, carrying a bottle of Pappy van Winkle 23-year old bourbon.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 08, 2022 06:27 PM (XIJ/X)
Me too. Of course I'll have to con Mrs. E into running to Dallas for something.

Posted by: Eromero at June 08, 2022 06:39 PM (0OP+5)

303 Speaking of Glenn Reynolds, do we have any Methodists in the house?

Cuz boy howdy do I got a story for you.

https://tinyurl.com/2p9e2an6

Posted by: Robert at June 08, 2022 06:39 PM (nzUgC)

304 here is also the matter of the battery packs needing replacing, eventually.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 08, 2022 06:34 PM (08ncd)

Good thing IC engines never need any maintenance or parts replaced.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:39 PM (3vQN0)

305 How do you know if someone you just met owns and EV?
The tell you and tell you you should too.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 08, 2022 06:30 PM

* flexes *
Posted by: Crossfitter at June 08, 2022 06:38 PM (a3Q+t)

I hope that Protein drink you're drinking is plant-based.

Posted by: Vegan at June 08, 2022 06:39 PM (PiwSw)

306
But PredictIt has Biden up by 20%!!!!!

*RIP Intrade*

Posted by: In before the troll at June 08, 2022 06:39 PM (n+4am)

307 Of course, I also own a Honda CRV to drive around town or I'd go broke. Thanks, Joe.

Posted by: wth at June 08, 2022 06:40 PM (v0R5T)

308 What's green and smells like ham?

Posted by: Kermit at June 08, 2022 06:40 PM (4I/2K)

309 Go away. Nobody is stupid enough to buy the EV fairy tales around here.

It is fucking criminal what you people are doing

Posted by: Common Tater at June 08, 2022 06:40 PM (BptJg)

310 because he presents himself as firmly pro-life. Does he?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 08, 2022 06:38 PM (l7p9i)

Is there money in it?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 08, 2022 06:40 PM (yQpMk)

311 There is also the matter of the battery packs needing replacing, eventually.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

$10k at what? 60,000 miles? 2007 Ranger at 186,000 miles is still running strong.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 08, 2022 06:40 PM (iXsUn)

312 while 41% want Democrats to win.

****

These people really need their own country to live in.

Somewhere where I can read about them starving to death in the cold.

Posted by: Azathoth at June 08, 2022 06:40 PM (wb1YC)

313 207 I very much hope that the next time the doorbell rings it will be Alexandria Daddario in lingerie, carrying a bottle of Pappy van Winkle 23-year old bourbon.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 08, 2022 06:27 PM (XIJ/X)

So what you gonna do with the Alex gal, make her get you a glass?

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 08, 2022 06:41 PM (yrol0)

314 >We know they are pushing for it because they want to strip us of mobility.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at June 08, 2022 06:33 PM (YynYJ)

This is exactly right.

1. Ban ICE vehicles.
2. Power grid can't power even a small fraction of the EVs needed to replace the current fleet of ICE.
3. Guess you have to rely upon the beneficence of government-provided mass transit, prole.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at June 08, 2022 06:41 PM (sgpJf)

315 Both my neighbors have trucks. I would bet neither of them knows how to hook up a trailer. They are basically luxury cars that are just big. Which is cool but whatever you want. But stop making these ridiculous edge case reasons why EVs can’t be a thing. And also in case you haven’t noticed both the f150 lightning and Rvian trucks are on sale now, both can tow a whole bunch too.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:38 PM (3vQN0)

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Wait a minute, Joe, you're not telling us we can't have a truck because we simply want one, right? We use our truck bed, but I don't give a shit if I never haul anything, if I want a truck I don't have to justify it.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 08, 2022 06:41 PM (DcKNO)

316 MooMoo blows the engines on all his BMWs every few years, so it's a moot point.

Did he really blow the engines? Or just the mechanic?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at June 08, 2022 06:41 PM (Bd6X8)

317 Joe, forget my last comment. I re-read yours.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 08, 2022 06:41 PM (DcKNO)

318 I rate Biden one. Just one. It would be a zero but I respect his crime boss status.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 08, 2022 06:41 PM (2oHWb)

319 A miniature on board nuke power station powering an EV? We'll talk then.

Posted by: Archer at June 08, 2022 06:42 PM (gmo/4)

320 Good thing IC engines never need any maintenance or parts replaced.
Posted by: Joe XiDen

Generally don't have to replace the engine every 60k miles. And even if I did, it'd be $6,000 cheaper than a battery pack.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 08, 2022 06:42 PM (iXsUn)

321 MooMoo blows the engines on all his BMWs every few years, so it's a moot point

*

Hahaha, I forgot about that.

MooMoo, didn't you admit you didn't know there was a difference between E85 and regular ethanol earlier today?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the CEO of Moderna acknowledged the presence of patented sequence in Covid-19 at June 08, 2022 06:42 PM (rjyzh)

322 Good thing IC engines never need any maintenance or parts replaced.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:39 PM (3vQN0)

Maintenance or replacement sure. But I would say you could probably replace the entire engine of an F-150 easier and cheaper than pulling the battery and replacing one on a Prius. Plus the Prius ALSO has an ICE that might ALSO need to be replaced.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 08, 2022 06:42 PM (08ncd)

323 314 >We know they are pushing for it because they want to strip us of mobility.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at June 08, 2022 06:33 PM (YynYJ)

---------

This is exactly right.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 08, 2022 06:42 PM (DcKNO)

324 >> Have you been reading this Covid Substack? He gets a bit technical for me

I haven't seen that one -- but I've seen stuff about the amyloid thing.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 08, 2022 06:42 PM (Mzdiz)

325 This is exactly right.

1. Ban ICE vehicles.
2. Power grid can't power even a small fraction of the EVs needed to replace the current fleet of ICE.
3. Guess you have to rely upon the beneficence of government-provided mass transit, prole.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at June 08, 2022 06:41 PM (sgpJf)

Government-provided like the communist countries. As in, it's not really there in most places.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 08, 2022 06:42 PM (b2nrj)

326 Call me about your EV when Doc Brown perfects the Mr. Fusion option.

Posted by: Archer at June 08, 2022 06:42 PM (gmo/4)

327 Good thing IC engines never need any maintenance or parts replaced.

Engines have become amazingly reliable since the introduction of electronic ignition and fuel injection. Lately I am going 150k with only the occasional oil and filter change. You don't even have to clean or replace the plugs if you go with platinum.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 08, 2022 06:43 PM (yQpMk)

328 the United Methodist Church accepted Isaac Simmons, who regularly preaches dressed as a drag queen under the name Ms. Penny Cost, as a candidate for ordination.

I bet she brings a G D vegan covered disk on 4th Sundays dinners.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 08, 2022 06:43 PM (yrol0)

329 Anyone who believes that the energy cost per mile for EV's will be always be significantly less than for gasoline and diesel vehicles (at 6/8/2022 prices, including Fed and state taxes) is in for a big surprise within 5 years.

Posted by: crusader at June 08, 2022 06:43 PM (AMIL/)

330 Good thing IC engines never need any maintenance or parts replaced.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:39 PM

But do the EV parts HAVE to be mined by 6 to 9 year-olds in third-world mines that are all ecologic catastrophes? Because that's the current state of things.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 08, 2022 06:43 PM (G6DU0)

331 207 I very much hope that the next time the doorbell rings it will be Alexandria Daddario in lingerie, carrying a bottle of Pappy van Winkle 23-year old bourbon.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 08, 2022 06:27 PM (XIJ/X)

One of those things is horrifically overrated.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 08, 2022 06:43 PM (08ncd)

332 These people really need their own country to live in.

Everything they do is parasitic. They need someone else's country. China would be a win-win.

Posted by: t-bird at June 08, 2022 06:43 PM (D6lWx)

333 I want to hear from all the EV drivers just how well they perform in cold weather. I know tool batteries don't perform as well in either very cold or very hot conditions.

Posted by: Fool Otto at June 08, 2022 06:43 PM (DB16e)

334 You know what? I can see how electric cars without maintenance or fuel requirements would make sense for some folks now that you mention it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the CEO of Moderna acknowledged the presence of patented sequence in Covid-19 at June 08, 2022 06:43 PM (rjyzh)

335 Methodist leadership leads the way to purgatory.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 08, 2022 06:44 PM (2oHWb)

336 Tom Bevan
@TomBevanRCP
·
1h
Wow. Biden's approval rating is under 50% among Black voters in new Quinnipiac poll. 24% among Hispanics, 22% among 18-34 yr olds. The only two groups giving him majority approval: Dems and college-educated whites.

Posted by: 29Victor at June 08, 2022 06:44 PM (BJKQV)

337 re 299: "Remember, ALL of these questions HAVE TO BE ANSWERED before you go turning off power generating stations. "

No they don't! (AOC etcx)

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at June 08, 2022 06:44 PM (Ynyl9)

338 EVs have zero maintenance and repair costs for anything engine or transmission related. Cuz there is no engine and no transmission. So yeah in 10 years yiu may need a new $10k battery. But you will have spent nothing in those 10 years other than suspension, brake and tires as far as maintenance goes.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:44 PM (3vQN0)

339 One of those things is horrifically overrated.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 08, 2022 06:43 PM (08ncd)

CBD??

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 08, 2022 06:44 PM (yrol0)

340 I "strongly approve" of Donkey-Chompers posting "candids" with her new boyfriend, Oral Sex Phantom.

Wondering now if her asinine dentines are an asset or liabilty fellatio-wise...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 08, 2022 06:44 PM (axdp+)

341 Both my neighbors have trucks. I would bet neither of them knows how to hook up a trailer.

Both of your neighbors are not indicative of flyover country where real work gets done.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 08, 2022 06:44 PM (iXsUn)

342 Speaking as a college-educated white, college-educated whites are idiots.

Posted by: 29Victor at June 08, 2022 06:45 PM (BJKQV)

343 sure, biden and company encouraged antifa throughout 2020 and now wants scotus to live under their gun but what about the deadly 1/6 event where, well, aside from the cops beating to death an old lady and shooting another lady in the neck, was pretty darn hard for the cops.

Posted by: sockamster-rookie poster at June 08, 2022 06:45 PM (OuH7W)

344 want to hear from all the EV drivers just how well they perform in cold weather.

*

50% of the range or worse, assuming the car will allow you to drive it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the CEO of Moderna acknowledged the presence of patented sequence in Covid-19 at June 08, 2022 06:45 PM (rjyzh)

345 >> I very much hope that the next time the doorbell rings it will be Alexandria Daddario

she has RBF big time

Posted by: DB at June 08, 2022 06:45 PM (geLO8)

346 Can't wait to watch some bozo back his boat trailer down the ramp and go just a bit too far. That'll be fun.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 08, 2022 06:45 PM (ZLI7S)

347 I just walked past a pick up truck in the grocery store parking lot with a Lincoln arc welder mounted in the back. How far is that pick up truck driver going to get and how long can he arc weld off of a battery pack?

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 08, 2022 06:45 PM (iXsUn)

348 Anyway, good luck getting a new EV. I was in the Honda dealer a couple weeks ago and they tried to buy my 2016 CRV from me. They only had 11 new cars on the lot, salesman told me: "chip shortage".

Posted by: wth at June 08, 2022 06:46 PM (v0R5T)

349 Wow. Biden's approval rating is under 50% among Black voters in new Quinnipiac poll. 24% among Hispanics, 22% among 18-34 yr olds. The only two groups giving him majority approval: Dems and college-educated whites.
Posted by: 29Victor at June 08, 2022 06:44 PM (BJKQV)

Indoctrinated Whites, he means.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 08, 2022 06:46 PM (2oHWb)

350 338 EVs have zero maintenance and repair costs for anything engine or transmission related. Cuz there is no engine and no transmission. So yeah in 10 years yiu may need a new $10k battery. But you will have spent nothing in those 10 years other than suspension, brake and tires as far as maintenance goes.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:44 PM (3vQN0)

------

What about costs to charge it?

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 08, 2022 06:46 PM (DcKNO)

351 somebody has a hardon for EVs

Posted by: DB at June 08, 2022 06:46 PM (geLO8)

352 342 Speaking as a college-educated white, college-educated whites are idiots.
Posted by: 29Victor at June 08, 2022 06:45 PM (BJKQV)

29Victor Johnson is right!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson's Work Laptop at June 08, 2022 06:46 PM (08ncd)

353 One of those things is horrifically overrated.

I'm sure the lingerie is optional.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at June 08, 2022 06:46 PM (Bd6X8)

354 > here is also the matter of the battery packs needing replacing, eventually.

> Good thing IC engines never need any maintenance or parts replaced.

Dude, what? A battery pack costs about the same as two new engines. If I knew my car was going to blow through two engines in a ten year period, I'd be shopping elsewhere.

Most new ICE cars will run for ten years with nothing more than oil and filter changes.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 08, 2022 06:46 PM (eyxn4)

355 Karine St. Pierre is so clearly unprepared for her role, so painfully obviously out of her depth, so fully intellectually unfit for her position that I almost want to feel sorry for her. It's just so cringe-y. Almost. Then I remember that she's a DemoRAT and she's making millions $ more than I am, while being completely incompetent which would get me dismissed.

Then I remember to point and laugh.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at June 08, 2022 06:46 PM (HsAzN)

356 There is all kinds of shit that can go wrong with an EV. Joe is a fool. He probably has no idea of the complexity of the systems in his own car. He's swallowed the EV bullshit whole and now wants everyone in the world to too so he won't look so much like a fool.

Posted by: fd at June 08, 2022 06:46 PM (vrz2I)

357 >There is also the matter of the battery packs needing replacing, eventually.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at June 08, 2022 06:34 PM (08ncd)

You can run a modern ICE car to 200k miles if you get it regularly maintained on the manufacturers' schedule. That maintenance is not super expensive. How far will an EV battery pack last before it has to be replaced at a cost of 5-figures?

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at June 08, 2022 06:46 PM (sgpJf)

358
* rings doorbell *

I'm here for you, Mr. Dildo

Posted by: Lena, in a Red Sox T-shirt, with a big bottle of ValuRite at June 08, 2022 06:46 PM (a3Q+t)

359 340 I "strongly approve" of Donkey-Chompers posting "candids" with her new boyfriend, Oral Sex Phantom.

Wondering now if her asinine dentines are an asset or liabilty fellatio-wise...
Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 08, 2022 06:44 PM (axdp+)

You know what they say about big teeth.

Most jackasses have them.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 08, 2022 06:47 PM (2oHWb)

360 "Can't wait to watch some bozo back his boat trailer down the ramp..."

I was thinking the same thing. I've never seen a boat launched from a pickup without the trailer and rear wheels at least partially submerged.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 08, 2022 06:47 PM (jTmQV)

361 > Good thing IC engines never need any maintenance or parts replaced.

Dude, what? A battery pack costs about the same as two new engines. If I knew my car was going to blow through two engines in a ten year period, I'd be shopping elsewhere.

Most new ICE cars will run for ten years with nothing more than oil and filter changes.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 08, 2022 06:46 PM (eyxn4)

And engines can be recycled.

Posted by: 29Victor at June 08, 2022 06:47 PM (BJKQV)

362 Right on time, the mockbuster appears: "Top Gunner: Danger Zone." Waiting for you to push the wrong button on a RedBox near you.

Posted by: Please Place The gp In The Bag at June 08, 2022 06:47 PM (qpX6U)

363 no one needs a truck
no one needs a gun
no one needs meat
no one needs an ID to vote

next, please.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at June 08, 2022 06:48 PM (Ynyl9)

364 Katerina Soria with a bottle of... well... I don't really give a shit.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson's Work Laptop at June 08, 2022 06:48 PM (08ncd)

365 If they were serious about clean energy, we would have nuclear power plants being built across the country. Instead, the want to continue their solar and windmill graft.

Posted by: IrishEi at June 08, 2022 06:48 PM (VhE0u)

366 Biden's Move To Force Gender Ideology By Cutting Off School Lunch Funding Criticized By DeSantis

_Biden is "totally off his rocker..."
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Schools should quit sucking off the fed and let students pay for their own food.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 08, 2022 06:48 PM (ihU8z)

367 363 no one needs a truck
no one needs a gun
no one needs meat
no one needs an ID to vote

next, please.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at June 08, 2022 06:48 PM (Ynyl9)

I think in this case Joe X is arguing in good faith- just with bad arguments.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson's Work Laptop at June 08, 2022 06:49 PM (08ncd)

368 206 Lol the 11k tow that happens with maybe 1% of all trucks sold.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:18 PM

99.74% of smoke detectors never detect a fire.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at June 08, 2022 06:49 PM (ZdXg1)

369 358
* rings doorbell *

I'm here for you, Mr. Dildo
Posted by: Lena, in a Red Sox T-shirt, with a big bottle of ValuRite at June 08, 2022 06:46 PM (a3Q+t)

I think I've seen this movie.

Posted by: 29Victor at June 08, 2022 06:49 PM (BJKQV)

370 EVs have zero maintenance and repair costs for anything engine or transmission related. Cuz there is no engine and no transmission.

But there is a motor. Which needs repairs..... rather frequently.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 08, 2022 06:49 PM (axdp+)

371 You know what else electric vehicles do real well? Burn.

And when they do they make an incredibly difficult fire to extinguish that can take up to 40,000 gallons of water.

Remember that the next time you put your EV in the garage. Sleep tight.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 08, 2022 06:49 PM (ZLI7S)

372 Right on time, the mockbuster appears: "Top Gunner: Danger Zone." Waiting for you to push the wrong button on a RedBox near you.
Posted by: Please Place The gp In The Bag at June 08, 2022 06:47 PM (qpX6U)

That has to be an Asylum joint.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 08, 2022 06:49 PM (yQpMk)

373 Last F250 or F350 diesel we had was 4 trucks back and I'm glad I ain't paying diesel fuel prices right now. We have two F150s one a V8 and the 30 year old one a six cylinder. Guess which one I drive the most?

Posted by: Eromero at June 08, 2022 06:50 PM (0OP+5)

374 If the Fed thinks the children will starve then give them the money to buy lunch at school.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 08, 2022 06:50 PM (ihU8z)

375 365 If they were serious about clean energy, we would have nuclear power plants being built across the country. Instead, the want to continue their solar and windmill graft.
Posted by: IrishEi at June 08, 2022 06:48 PM (VhE0u)

Yeah there's not even a small chance we'd build enough extra generation to support massive amounts of EVs.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 08, 2022 06:50 PM (b2nrj)

376 Wait, are we talking Hybrids or all electric? We seem to be having a mixed debate.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson's Work Laptop at June 08, 2022 06:50 PM (08ncd)

377 Twitter has decided to comply with Elon's request for data.

The board must have had another con-call with their lawyers today.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at June 08, 2022 06:50 PM (Bd6X8)

378 I'll buy an EV when there's 50 charging stations in every town, the power grid can support those stations, they get 600 miles to a charge and they don't look like something Robin would drive and act like it's as cool as the Batmobile.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 08, 2022 06:50 PM (2oHWb)

379 who gives a flying burrito

Posted by: esquincle at June 08, 2022 06:50 PM (v1g3S)

380 "But stop making these ridiculous edge case reasons why EVs can’t be a thing"

The real world is not a "edge case". You live in a fantasy world.

Posted by: fd at June 08, 2022 06:50 PM (vrz2I)

381 I owe a debt of gratitude to Steven Den Beste. Because I had the suspicion that renewal energy wasn't what they said it was, but I didn't know exactly why. He explained it so clearly. It taught me that there was likely a good reason to be suspicious of these claims. And Bad Cat explains this one very well.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 08, 2022 06:50 PM (YynYJ)

382 Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 08, 2022 06:44 PM (2oHWb)

There is a split in the Methodist Church. The more conservative church which consider the Lordship of Jesus Christ absolutely foundational along with discipleship and who are opposed to gay marriage and the tranny nonsense are leaving/have left to join the Global Methodist Church which includes conservatives outside of the US. You have to pay to separate from the UMC, and not every church can afford that some meanwhile the more conservative church pastors/members ignore the hierarchy an fly under the radar for as long as they can.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 08, 2022 06:50 PM (l7p9i)

383 Free money is addictive

Posted by: Skip's phone at June 08, 2022 06:50 PM (2JoB8)

384 To EV everything, we'll need a new nuclear power plant.

Every two weeks. For the next twenty years.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 08, 2022 06:51 PM (a3Q+t)

385 Metal fires are fun.

Add water to make them more fun.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson's Work Laptop at June 08, 2022 06:51 PM (08ncd)

386 384 To EV everything, we'll need a new nuclear power plant.

Every two weeks. For the next twenty years.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 08, 2022 06:51 PM (a3Q+t)

I am completely ok with that.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson's Work Laptop at June 08, 2022 06:51 PM (08ncd)

387 My CPA told me this morning about one their clients who business just burned to the ground. The cause? A lithium battery in a UPS (uninterruptible power source).

Posted by: fd at June 08, 2022 06:38 PM

And that's why the Navy won't use lithium batteries in their submarines, they catch on fire and literally can't be put out.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 08, 2022 06:51 PM (bVYXr)

388 Old and Busted: Drag Queen Story Hour
New Hotness: Drag Queen Sermons

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at June 08, 2022 06:51 PM (PiwSw)

389 Nood.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson's Work Laptop at June 08, 2022 06:51 PM (08ncd)

390 What about costs to charge it?
Posted by: Seems Legit

And higher tire use due to weight and need for high efficiency to offset range limitatins

And money wasted in Starbucks waiting for it to charge.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at June 08, 2022 06:52 PM (ZdXg1)

391
Wait a minute, Joe, you're not telling us we can't have a truck because we simply want one, right? We use our truck bed, but I don't give a shit if I never haul anything, if I want a truck I don't have to justify it.
Posted by: Seems Legit

this too is the ar-15 argument. i want one. fuck you is why.

Posted by: BifBewalskix @ (UgAdJ) - at June 08, 2022 06:52 PM (UgAdJ)

392 Remember that the next time you put your EV in the garage. Sleep tight.
Posted by: JackStraw
------------------------

Come and park that bithc in my garage, please.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 08, 2022 06:52 PM (ihU8z)

393 In all of the gasoline-powered cars I've owned, most of them for over 10 years, I have NEVER had a major engine repair.

And the only one needing transmission work had 185K miles on it at age 14.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 08, 2022 06:52 PM (axdp+)

394 There is a split in the Methodist Church. The more conservative church which consider the Lordship of Jesus Christ absolutely foundational along with discipleship and who are opposed to gay marriage and the tranny nonsense are leaving/have left to join the Global Methodist Church which includes conservatives outside of the US. You have to pay to separate from the UMC, and not every church can afford that some meanwhile the more conservative church pastors/members ignore the hierarchy an fly under the radar for as long as they can.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 08, 2022 06:50 PM (l7p9i)

Yeah, I figured as much. I tried not to paint all Methodists with that brush because I know it's just some leadership doing this.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 08, 2022 06:52 PM (2oHWb)

395 I heard some idiot say he was going to buy an EV and and get a portable 5 hp generator so he would be able to charge anywhere. Good luck with that boy.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 08, 2022 06:52 PM (QSjkU)

396 Shortly after the war, my ol man and a couple other chiefs built an electric car using a cut down 36 Ford. They used torpedo batteries and motors. Got about a hundred miles per charge. Drove all over Key West.
He loved it. Mom, not so much.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 08, 2022 06:53 PM (anj39)

397 Can't wait to watch some bozo back his boat trailer down the ramp and go just a bit too far. That'll be fun.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 08, 2022 06:45 PM (ZLI7S)
~~~~~

When one of my kids worked at the marina he said that happened at least once a week---that's if they could manage to get the trailer ON the ramp.

Posted by: IrishEi at June 08, 2022 06:53 PM (VhE0u)

398 Being President is not that hard! All you really need to do is give a speech where you talk about yourself every other sentence and blame the last Republican President for every problem you have!

Of course, you need to be the most gifted politician in the history of the world but...well, what can I say? Check out those creases!

B. Obama

Posted by: JB1000 at June 08, 2022 06:53 PM (xP1gB)

399
Yeah, better get busy right now, well, like 20 years ago, building a shit-ton of nuclear power plants. Oh, and start upgrading the hell out of the transmission and distribution networks.

Wait, the idiot NIMBY Karen types don't like power lines do they? Reckon we could tell them that EVs make deadly "EM Fields" and that would scare them off of 'em?

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at June 08, 2022 06:54 PM (Mzdiz)

400
I want to hear from all the EV drivers just how well they perform in cold weather. I know tool batteries don't perform as well in either very cold or very hot conditions.
Posted by: Fool Otto at June 08, 2022 06:43 PM (DB16e)

Word.

Back in the Army days *koff koff* years ago, we had an extension cable for the PRC-77 batteries to keep them under your armpit so they'd actually work when temps got down to subzero. From what I understand, the problem still persisted after the Big Green Weenie introduced lithium batteries in the early 90s, even though they were supposed to be okay in the colder temps.

Try keeping a Tesla battery pack under your armpit while you're driving during a Green Bay, WI rush hour.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 08, 2022 06:54 PM (n+4am)

401 My problem with EVs is not so much the function of the vehicle itself, as with the inherent difference in the scale and centralization of fuel distribution.

Gas distribution is relatively decentralized, i.e. individual trucks going to individual stations, stored in myriad tanks, kept in a can in your garage etc. And all along the way, individual trucks, stations, etc can make choices who they buy from and how much.

Electricity (sufficient to charge a car) inherently requires a utility of a massive scale, and a centrally maintained (and therefore centrally controlled) distribution system, i.e. the freaking electric grid.

So basically three or four guys in cahoots with the government get to control, ration and/or deny you the energy for your basic transportation, and maintain complete control over same on a daily basis.

What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Zek at June 08, 2022 06:54 PM (OzNIz)

402 If I was 5' 7" and weighed 145, I might consider an EV. But the Biden Administration can kiss my 6' 2" 200lbs. fat ass if they think I'm giving up my truck.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 08, 2022 06:55 PM (BP3/z)

403 >>> Yes and those trucks are a very small % of all trucks in the country. For every truck pulling 11k pounds there are 80 that have never towed anything.

Both my neighbors have trucks. I would bet neither of them knows how to hook up a trailer. They are basically luxury cars that are just big. Which is cool but whatever you want. But stop making these ridiculous edge case reasons why EVs can’t be a thing. And also in case you haven’t noticed both the f150 lightning and Rvian trucks are on sale now, both can tow a whole bunch too.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 08, 2022 06:38 PM (3vQN0)

Your neighborhood is not the world, Pauline Kael. How do you know the % percent of trucks doing work? What are you defining as work? You mention towing so I guess the other example of the trades guy hauling a shitload of tools doesn't count? You think that the EV trucks will be able to do even a fraction of what gas trucks do? Do you also think that tearing down coal and gas power plants and replacing them with solar and wind will match power output?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 08, 2022 06:55 PM (llON8)

404 It's funny how we aren't hearing much about Modern Monetary Theory now that inflation is at 8%. I guess not hearing that nonsense is the silver lining in this mess.

Posted by: Whiskey.....and leave the bottle at June 08, 2022 06:56 PM (xJBbB)

405 @237 - Huh? Just undo the opener latch and open the friggin door by hand.

Posted by: FriscoYodax at June 08, 2022 06:56 PM (S7une)

406 Apropos of nothing, I make my plebian coffee very strong, and then use canned evaporated milk to cut it. I have been using Wallyworld canned milk at 70 cents a can for years. Today I bought a flat at $1.32 a can, nearly a 100% increase over the last 3 months.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 08, 2022 06:57 PM (yQpMk)

407 Like all actresses who answer a casting call and then end up getting a part, AOC is a complete dumbshit.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 08, 2022 06:58 PM (afb6l)

408 Anyone with "chompers" in their name, nic, or whatever will forever be forbidden from my dick.
That is all.
Posted by: Martini Farmer

Aww. Come here, big boy.

Posted by: Nancy "Removable Chompers" Pelosi at June 08, 2022 06:58 PM (P1f+c)

409 If Repugs would have passed Build Back Better, Biden's approval would skyrocket. He was unanimously elected to implement that, but was prevented from doing so by jealous obstructionists.

Posted by: Sid at June 08, 2022 07:01 PM (x/XHC)

410 Because of the truck driver shortage some companies are going to driverless trucks 1 million quatloos that those truck get hijacked before they ever get to their destination.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 08, 2022 07:01 PM (grEyk)

411 I'll buy an EV when there's 50 charging stations in every town, the power grid can support those stations, they get 600 miles to a charge and they don't look like something Robin would drive and act like it's as cool as the Batmobile.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 08, 2022 06:50 PM (2oHWb)

Bingo. I did the math on my car. 2015 mazda 6 that I got in 2014, gets 37 mpg on the cruise, never less than 30mpg. Car was $22,500. Got 43K on the clock. A lot of the time I owned it gas was around $2 a gallon, and I have only put gas in it 3 times since gas was $3.50 a gallon.. I just did the math at a straight 30MPG at $3 a gallon and i still haven't spent 27K total in the 8 years I own that car. How much is an electric car?

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 08, 2022 07:02 PM (VwHCD)

412 >>> Everything is just a matter of "new approaches" of "messaging." Just slapping new labels and new superlatives on to old bottles of snake-oil.

Joe Biden's career in two sentences.

Posted by: fluffy at June 08, 2022 07:04 PM (UnQlg)

413 Which makes me wonder...if a white man puts on black face AND a dress should they be cancelled or lauded?
Posted by: 18-1

The past few days, the random ad on my Roku box has been for some movie stream playing "White Chicks." Two black male FBI agents undercover in whiteface and drag. I figured that had to go back to the 90s, but it was made in 2004. Only 18 years ago.

This slippery slope is steep. Cliff-like, even.

Posted by: mikeski at June 08, 2022 07:17 PM (P1f+c)

414 bah, wrong thread.

Posted by: mikeski at June 08, 2022 07:18 PM (P1f+c)

415 I have been wondering:
Is Biden's approval actually sinking?
Or do more people feel they can say it openly?
And which is worse for Biden?
More importantly, which is better for the opposition?

Posted by: Sam at June 08, 2022 08:34 PM (ohyxL)

416 S-I-L asked me "Okay, EV's don't need gasoline, but why don't they still need oil?"

Not a completely stupid question. Actually, any question you can't answer without talking about electromagnetic fields is not a bad question.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at June 08, 2022 08:36 PM (4OVxK)

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