Gun Thread: It's June, Damnit! Edition

It's June (Cleaver)

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Welp, I'm back from secret mission numero two, and all that's left now is the MoMe. The NoVaMoMe! I know I speak for my bestest blog buddy bluebell when I say we are really looking forward to next Saturday and seeing all of you people!

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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Secret Mission #2

Serious shooters evaluating serious conditions

I had the opportunity to shoot with some of our Gun Thread pals on Friday. What a great time! It was a rifles-only day and we had the the range, with targets out to 1,100 yards, entirely to ourselves. Amazing. And the weather cooperated bigly, with light and variable winds just to keep it interesting. I don't care what activity you are pursuing, there is nothing quite like spending the day doing something you bigly enjoy with people you really like.

So how did we do? I'm here to say we have some real shooters in this group! A good variety of rifles in various calibers; .308 Winchester, 6.5 Creedmoor, .223/5.56 and .303 British were available, and all put to good use. We started on the 100-300 yd range as a warm-up, and soon adjourned to a firing point with targets from 500 - 1,100 yards, and got down to the business of making the targets look stupid.

If you have spent much time on the ol' Gun Thread you have heard me encourage practicing with a purpose, and this was no exception. Every single time I get behind a gun, even when shooting for funsies as we were doing on this trip, I am focusing on some element of basic marksmanship. I have had the good fortune to fire tens of thousands of rounds and I still concentrate on the basics, whether it be setup behind the rifle, breathing and trigger control, target alignment and wind estimation - all of the elements of good fundamental marksmanship. During this exercise, we discussed these fundamentals as various members of the group were shooting and talked through what worked and what didn't work.

Q: Weasel, so what didn't work?
A: Well, Weasel trying to hit an 18 inch plate at 1,100 yards with iron sights on a Lee-Enfield didn't work.

hmmm... chicken bowl or spaghettios...

Hey! It's a really long way!

Despite embarrassing myself and shaming my ancestors, it was a truly outstanding day with some great amigos and I cannot wait to do it again!

I'll invite my shooting buddies to chime in and share their thoughts on the day.

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First up, our pal WTM shares his experience with the Ruger P345 and dry firing.

While in the vault looking to retrieve the S&W "lemon squeezer", I uncovered my Ruger P345, which I bought in 1995. I got the last one in stock.
I'm a big fan of Ruger firearms and have used them extensively for about 45 years now. However, their "P" series was not a landmark in pistol design and has since been discontinued. Some swear by their P series and the P345 has garnered a lot of praise, being considered a primo carry gun. It is accurate, compact, comfortable, and lighter than a 1911. Recoil in this gun is surprisingly light, given its own light weight. So what's my problem with it? Two things.
First, this pistol is very particular in its ammo. Ruger says to use only factory ammo, but I consider that nonsense. I've reloaded .45ACP for well over 40 years and have fired thousands of rounds of it with nary a misfire. But, using my pet load of Unique powder under a 230gr HCRN, I encountered numerous misfires in this 8+1 pistol. I gathered the misfires, ran them all through one of my 1911's, and every one of them fired. Curiously, I find that handloads utilizing small-primer brass DO fire reliably. To be fair to Ruger, my Glock 21 is also a finicky eater of .45ACP handloads, even though it too will digest the small-primer reloads reliably. Both the P345 and the Glock 21 produce shallower primer indentations than does the 1911, but why this circumstance affects handloads and not factory ammo is a mystery. Is there a difference in the primers? I keep the P345's and the Glock's magazines loaded with Winchester White Box, but factory ammo is too scarce and too pricey these days to use for regular target practice.

The second shortcoming, and I learned this the hard way in 2018, is that the P345, if dry-fired without a magazine, will invariably be damaged. Mine was, and it required repair by the factory. Even though there was no charge for the repair, shipping a handgun by insured UPS is not inexpensive. It's my fault for not having read the owner's manual in the first place, which does warn against doing that (see excerpt below), but, having dry-fired my 1911's many times to break them in, I did not suspect that dry-firing the P345 even once (on a whim, I did so 4 times after cleaning) without a magazine could cause damage. And this was a RUGER, for Heaven's sake, a manufacturer whose firearms are legendary in their strength and reliability (their revolvers are, anyway). Quite the disappointment in Ruger, and I marvel that they intentionally designed their P series with these faults. At $34 per, I don't keep empty magazines for this on hand.
It is of course a double-action semiautomatic, but when fired in single-action mode, the trigger has quite a bit of creep that takes some getting used to. Otherwise, it's a very nice gun, but now I am a bit paranoid about its reliability, and that's not a good feeling to have for a firearm that may one day be called upon to defend home and family, if not person. Right now, one of my 1911's is used for home security, whereas the P345 had that honor from 1995-2018, before it was dry-fired that one episode. Now it lives in its box in the vault. Live and learn - and expect to pay $$ for the life lesson.

Great info, thanks WTM! What was your impression of the service you received from the Ruger factory?

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Scientific Testing the RI Red Way
Next up, our pal RI Red shares some scientific measuring he performed recently regarding the effect of a suppressor on muzzle velocity.

Results for suppressor muzzle velocity and accuracy. A bit nerdy, so picture equals lots of words. TL, DR - suppressor slightly faster, just as accurate.
5/16/22, 80 degrees, no wind, 100 yards
Muzzle brake v. Suppressor
6.5 Creedmoor, Hornady 140 g. ELD-Match
Hodgdon 4350
From Caldwell Lead Sled
Hornady brass, Winchester LR primers
Top left target: 11 o'clock just off the paper, .800" group. Muzzle brake.
MV 2486fps, SD 24.7, ES 73
10 o'clock just off bullseye, .850" group. Suppressed.
MV 2529fps, SD 27, ES 73. POI shift -4", 43 FPS gained.
Browning nickel-plated brass, CCI BR-2 primers
Bottom left target: 11 o'clock from bullseye, hit 7 o'clock off middle left target, .574" group. Muzzle brake.
MV 2457fps, SD 14.9,ES 45
10 o'clock from bullseye, .610" group. Suppressed.
MV 2469fps, SD 3.8, ES 10. POI shift -3.5", 12 FPS gained.
Lessons learned:
1. Bipod and sandbag is more stable than lead sled. There is a lot of play, comparatively, in the sled. Heart beat and breathing were more noticeable, and it was not a comfortable shooting position.
2. The reloads in Browning nickel-plated are better all around than the Hornady brass.
3. The CCI Bench Rest 2 primers appear to give a more uniform ignition and burn than the Winchester Large Rifle.
4. Accuracy is virtually the same between brake and suppressor.
5. POI shift for suppressor is -3.5' to -4". No horizontal shift.
5. Suppressor increased MV slightly.
6. Best, most uniform results are from suppressed Browning nickel-plated brass with BR-2 primers.

And this, folks, is how that is done. Very nice, RI Red!

What are your thoughts on the muzzle brake v. suppressor results? Surprised?

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Our pal blaster reports on some gunsmithing for the Ruger P95.

I finally found an adapter plate for a Ruger P95. This was a struggle though. The frame mounted de-cock lever is on both sides and that made it not fit in the slide pusher. Had to take the extractor out to get one side off and that was enough. And getting the plate seated in the dovetail mount took a lot of hammering. I have a little gunsmith hammer with a nylon head and ultimately I got it properly seated.
I like the way it came out. But I don't know that I will do the other P95. It was a LOT of work. If I do I will have it done by a gunsmith. Next to see how it shoots. This one is very prone to limp-wristing and I just added mass (not much but some) to the slide.

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1911 vs. M1 Carbine?
Next up, our pal GWB shares an interesting video and article on the 1911 vs. M1 Carbine.

Here is the video which is also embedded in the article linked above.

Very interesting, GWB! Thank you!

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Gun Basics 101
This week the She Equips Herself Gal has recommendations on racking the slide on a pistol the easy way. If you're having trouble with slide function, take a look!

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Cigar of the Week
Our pal rhomboid brings it with another excellent cigar review. Thanks rhomboid!

rhomboid 1 060522 Monte White Series 1A scaled.jpg

Herewith another see-gar review, this time of the Montecristo White Series. So far in my still young-ish exploration, it leads in the category of a mild yet flavorful cigar with perfect construction, though that Joya de Nicaragua Antano Connecticut I reviewed earlier may be a tie-vote for that category.
Montecristo White Series - a well-established standard for quality mild-medium cigars. This one in the corona vitola (size), formally the No. 3 Especial, 5.5" X 44. Ecuador-grown Connecticut wrapper, Nicaraguan and Dominican long fillers. I'm getting mostly coronas now. Shorter smoke, and the shape tends to emphasize the qualities of the wrapper due to proportions of wrapper/filler, so easier to choose your flavor profile more reliably. Ample rich smoke, smooth, some mild flavor hints, I'd say in the nut and wood category. Perfect construction and burn. Available online for around $6/stick, and up. Highly recommended for newbies or those looking for a very good mild cigar. Oh - and Colt Magnum Carry revolver. Also highly recommended, but slightly more scarce and expensive.

Excellent review, thanks Rhomboid! Anyone else care to share a review of a cigar they liked or even disliked?

I saw this comment on today's First-World Problems Thread, too late respond before the Food Thread went up:

My problem, my favorite cigar brand unerringly make a cigar of great construction, draw and taste at a reasonable price. They also glue the bands just enough to rip the wrapper about 50 percent of the time. While smoking the last bits of a cigar is a pleasure a cracked wrapper makes me sad.
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable, now with ultra maga at June 05, 2022 03:47 PM (0OmEj)

PROTIP: If you aren't already, smoke the cigar until you're close to the band. Sometimes the heat will loosen the glue enough to aid in removal.

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This week Cigar Vixen shows us the different ways to cut a cigar.

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ATTENTION NoVaMoMe 2022!!

Registration for the NoVaMoMe is now closed. Hope to see you Saturday!

The social and cultural event of the season, NoVaMoMe 2022 is on the calendar! That's right, you people have a chance to meet many of your online pals on Saturday, June 11th beginning at 1pm until dark, or such time as it gets busted up by the cops. We have an exciting location in the Northern Virginia area which allows extended time for visiting. Admission is $25 which includes food and soft drinks, with a cash bar. This year the menu is BBQ chicken and pork with the usual sides and cookies for dessert. Appetizers begin just after 1pm and dinner is 3pm. Want to be one of the cool kids? Just send an email to novamome at protonmail dot cee oh emm, pass the rigorous screening process to obtain registration details, then sign up to attend! Easy-Peasy!

Each year, I spend a fair amount of time haranguing people to come to a MoMe. Any MoMe! I cannot overemphasize how much fun these things are, and how much we want YOU to come! We plan for the crowd in general but also consider the needs of the introvert lurkers and provide plenty of potted plants for those so inclined to hide behind. All kidding aside, you are completely welcome to slink-in, eat, drink and people-watch, and then slink-out. It is a 100% zero pressure event. If you can handle a backyard picnic, you can definitely handle this.

Win a Dream Date with Weasel!
Back by tepid demand, a separate raffle for the Gun Thread gift basket will be held. This fabulous prize includes an entire day of shooting and personalized one-on-one handgun & rifle coaching and instruction at Weasel Acres on a mutually agreeable date with yours truly. The lucky winner will be able to not only bring and shoot their own weapons, but also try out a variety of WeaselWeapons using WeaselAmmo!

We will end the day with dinner at a good Mexican place in nearby Appomattox. Pretty much a dream date with Weasel! The winner will be responsible for their travel to and from Central Virginia, hence the separate drawing.

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Link-O-Rama

I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop

***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal WTM:

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Please note the new and improved protonmail account gunthread at protonmail dot com. An informal Gun Thread archive can be found HERE. Future expansion plans are in the works for the site Weasel Gun Thread. If you have a question you would like to ask Gun Thread Staff offline, just send us a note and we'll do our best to answer. If you care to share the story of your favorite firearm, send a picture with your nic and tell us what you sadly lost in the tragic canoe accident. If you would like to remain completely anonymous, just say so. Lurkers are always welcome!

That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Gubs!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 05, 2022 07:00 PM (u73oe)

2 Here!

Posted by: RI Red at June 05, 2022 07:01 PM (xtg8y)

3 Called the otters.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 05, 2022 07:01 PM (u73oe)

4 Now to read the content.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 05, 2022 07:01 PM (u73oe)

5 Is this the gum thread?

Posted by: Joe Biteum at June 05, 2022 07:02 PM (vrz2I)

6 Hola! top ten? Off to read the content!

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at June 05, 2022 07:02 PM (mUYId)

7 I'm here unarmed.

Posted by: Ciampino at June 05, 2022 07:02 PM (qfLjt)

8 Top Ten?

Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 07:03 PM (IsDWq)

9 "She Equips Herself" had me at rack!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 05, 2022 07:03 PM (XIJ/X)

10 [without looking]
Have the beaver snark started flowing?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 05, 2022 07:04 PM (MrUzB)

11 Have the beaver snark started flowing?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
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I give it five minutes, at the outside.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 05, 2022 07:05 PM (MrUzB)

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House Dem Wants to Tax "Assault Weapons" 1,000% and It Could Pass Without GOP Votes

https://tinyurl.com/bdz87c8f

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 05, 2022 07:06 PM (63Dwl)

13 Hello, Weasel and horde! Rhomboid, nice looking Magnum Carry.

Posted by: Ed L at June 05, 2022 07:06 PM (/lmRp)

14 Posted by: Ed L at June 05, 2022 07:06 PM (/lmRp)
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Howdy Ed L!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 07:07 PM (0IeYL)

15 House Dem Wants to Tax "Assault Weapons" 1,000% and It Could Pass Without GOP Votes
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Hurry! Crank up the forges and milling machines!

Posted by: The firearms industry at June 05, 2022 07:07 PM (MrUzB)

16 Greetings gun thread denizens.

Posted by: JTB at June 05, 2022 07:08 PM (7EjX1)

17 Greetings, I'm curious, regarding the 1911 v M1 carbine video, would the difference in the cartridges be a factor in the test results?

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 05, 2022 07:09 PM (jTmQV)

18 House Dem Wants to Tax "Assault Weapons" 1,000% and It Could Pass Without GOP Votes

https://tinyurl.com/bdz87c8f
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 05, 2022 07:06 PM (63Dwl)

I think most of these proposed gun control laws will be found to be unconstitutional with the current SC.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 05, 2022 07:09 PM (hcR8z)

19 Weasel, I am disappointed. No review of the a-salt gun.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 05, 2022 07:10 PM (7cElg)

20 Posted by: Ben Had at June 05, 2022 07:10 PM (7cElg)
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SOON.

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 07:10 PM (0IeYL)

21 12
House Dem Wants to Tax "Assault Weapons" 1,000% and It Could Pass Without GOP Votes
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Have any of these idiots actually (legally) defined an 'assault weapon'? A sword, axe and machete work for me, as does a bow, knife, crowbar and 2x4.

Posted by: Ciampino at June 05, 2022 07:10 PM (qfLjt)

22 Definitely want to see 1911vs M1 carbine

Posted by: Skip at June 05, 2022 07:11 PM (2JoB8)

23 That's a good meme at the end.
Accurate makes it funny

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 05, 2022 07:11 PM (cq6UO)

24 Ward, weren't you a little hard on the chicken bowl yesterday evening?

Posted by: Zombie June Cleaver at June 05, 2022 07:11 PM (Xrfse)

25 Hey folks...I was lucky enough to be on that range with Weasel and the other shooters. Unfortunately I have people to feed, but maybe weasel will let me tell you about the wonderful experience next week!

I will say that shooting with someone who really knows how to do it and can also explain it with little words in short sentences and very little math (although math is vital!) is a distinct and rare pleasure.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 05, 2022 07:12 PM (XIJ/X)

26 "Very interesting, GWB!"
I am kinda unhappy of late with GunMagWarehouse's customer service, but they have had some really interesting articles and videos.

Also, really looking forward to the NoVaMoMe (#2 for me) and shooting with the DMV Gun Club on Sunday.

Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 07:12 PM (IsDWq)

27
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 05, 2022 07:13 PM (ENBF0)

28 I don't but the language in any way, shape or form. What they are calling assault weapons are no such thing. F'em.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 05, 2022 07:13 PM (7cElg)

29 Evening everyone!!

Have to say it was a pleasure shooting this past Friday with Weasel, CBD and our host RI Red.

It was a fantastic time and especially nice was the weather cooperated big time.

My highlight? I rang steel at 1007 yards with my .308. It can do it!!!

It especially helped that Weasel was my spotter. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 07:13 PM (fe7in)

30 Minor note - that Ruger P95 with optic on board came from me, not RI Red.

Maybe I should explicitly sign with my nic when I send an email. That might help!

Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 07:14 PM (9otr5)

31 The more I look at the Johnson rifle and it being demonstrated the more I think it could have been better than the Garand. This opinion and $6.00 will buy you a gallon of diesel if you had an extra dollar.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 05, 2022 07:14 PM (hcR8z)

32 Ok, lot's of info to go back to and consider. First off, yes, I will be at the MoMe. Weasel, you and Bluebell have my phone etc. I'll be getting into the area Friday and am really happy to help with any set up. Unfortunately, Giggles will not be with me, as we are not able to have her come to VA twice in two weeks.
Why is she coming to VA, but not to the MoMe? 'cause we're going to Argentina to shoot wildlife at the end of the month and she's meeting me here, then we go to Atlanta (everyone has to go thru Atlanta) and on to Buenos Aires

What are you all doing for your anniversary?

McGver, over

Posted by: McGyver at June 05, 2022 07:14 PM (mUYId)

33 I've just finished restoring my "gun room" to a condition of sparkling cleanliness, organization and readiness.

'Cause I didn't wanna be embarrassed when the 2nd safe is delivered, next week. Of course, the side benefit is now I can dive into a long overdue project, a detail cleaning of every single item of Canoe Ballast I can dig out. Preparatory to all this, I also purged and reorganized all the clothing drawers, and ended up with several plastic grocery store bags full of cotton items perfect for use as gun-rags. Which, I expect to burn through at a furious rate, I've much cleaning to do!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 05, 2022 07:14 PM (QzJWU)

34 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 05, 2022 07:12 PM (XIJ/X)
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Absolutely, bro! You did really well!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 07:15 PM (0IeYL)

35 The SEH video about racking the slide, to make it easier, the gun needs to be closer into the body, almost against the belly. Technique of two hands going in opposite directions is good, but, out away from the body like that, one loses leverage.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 05, 2022 07:15 PM (5pTK/)

36 "The more I look at the Johnson rifle and it being demonstrated the more I think it could have been better than the Garand. This opinion and $6.00 will buy you a gallon of diesel if you had an extra dollar.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter"

Anti doesn't matter Johnson is right!

Posted by: Johnson Johnson at June 05, 2022 07:16 PM (vrz2I)

37 Going to the range tomorrow to shoot the Glock 43 with the new 9 round Shield Arms magazines. Shot it last week with decent results. 9+1 in a Glock 43 with a good grip is really quite pleasant. I shoot it better than the Glock 43X with the 15 round Shield Arms magazines.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 05, 2022 07:16 PM (bVYXr)

38 I'm curious if there is anything planned for the Friday night before the mome.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 05, 2022 07:16 PM (Wryps)

39 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 07:13 PM (fe7in)
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Nicely done, too!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 07:16 PM (0IeYL)

40 Ok, we shot some long range. Very satisfactory.
With Weasel making wind calls, CBD hit 867 at his first time on a looong range, scoobs advanced to 1004 from last year, and RI Red may have made a first round hit on steel at 1106 with 6.5 Creedmoor suppressed.
Weasel has several young padawans in training.

Posted by: RI Red at June 05, 2022 07:16 PM (xtg8y)

41 Remember tomorrow 80 years ago was the Battle of Midway, and 78 years ago the Normandy Invasion. Headgear off, Thanks given, toast to Heroes.

Posted by: Eromero at June 05, 2022 07:16 PM (0OP+5)

42 32 Posted by: McGyver at June 05, 2022 07:14 PM

Argentina for your anniversary? Nice!!

And do not forget any range / hunting report.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 07:16 PM (fe7in)

43 Answering my own question, I am thinking it would. The larger cartridge in the 1911 produces more of that (legendary) .45 recoil, making it take longer to put on target after firing.
The carbine is steady as a rock, smaller cartridge.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 05, 2022 07:16 PM (jTmQV)

44 By the way, the range time looks it was lots of fun.

Great thread, as always, weasel!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 05, 2022 07:17 PM (5pTK/)

45 I won't be able to get to the range for about a month. So I'm focused on making the guns in the safe look pretty and reading and watching lots about firearms. It's therapeutic.

First, last week I mentioned I have a 357 Blackhawk from first year made, 1955. It came with some crappy plastic grips. It now has almost pure white holly grips from Texas Grips. Perfect fit. That gun has the slight purple-ish tinge that some of the older Rugers developed over the decades. Those holly grips look fantastic against the deep blue. Since that revolver will only be used with 38 special wadcutter loads, I don't need recoil absorbing rubber grips.

Yay, me!

Posted by: JTB at June 05, 2022 07:18 PM (7EjX1)

46 Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 07:14 PM (9otr5)
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Oops! Sorry!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 07:18 PM (0IeYL)

47 Cliff Clavin gun trivia

What type of pistol did Patton use in the 1912 Pentathlon?

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 05, 2022 07:18 PM (hcR8z)

48 Well my store is literally up to its eye teeth in Federal 40grain .22LR in 325 round packs. Something like 52,000 total rounds.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 05, 2022 07:18 PM (f25Qr)

49 34 Absolutely, bro! You did really well!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 07:15 PM

Oh that he did! He was ringing steel so much I thought I was at church or something.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 07:18 PM (fe7in)

50 Don't weep for me, Argentina.

Posted by: Zombie June Cleaver at June 05, 2022 07:18 PM (Xrfse)

51 I also want to say that the DMV MGC anticipated Biden's latest and have made some purchases. I told y'all last week I picked up a Sig P365 XL RZ. I'll let the otters tell you what they done picked up.

Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 07:18 PM (9otr5)

52 1912,Olympic Pentathlon

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 05, 2022 07:18 PM (hcR8z)

53 The P95 is a big lump of a gun. I'm not sure I'd want something else hanging off of it. What I would like is a tritium sight.

Posted by: Johnson Johnson at June 05, 2022 07:19 PM (vrz2I)

54 I have one of the original Ruger P85s in 9mm, back when it was their contender for the military contract that eventually went to Beretta. It's built like a tank, as most Rugers are, but the trigger pull is measured in inches and not mm. I use it as a test platform for my reloads. If my powder charge will cycle the P85, it'll cycle all of my other 9mms. Also, I figure there's little chance I'll generate a load so hot that it'll blow that gun apart.

Posted by: PabloD at June 05, 2022 07:19 PM (rbh9X)

55 The thing Americans care about most I banning guns, and you guys have a weekly thread celebrating them. So backwards and out of step. You'll be surprised in November.

Posted by: Sid at June 05, 2022 07:19 PM (wZueu)

56 * takes Johnson sock off *

Posted by: fd at June 05, 2022 07:19 PM (vrz2I)

57 The more I look at the Johnson rifle and it being demonstrated the more I think it could have been better than the Garand. This opinion and $6.00 will buy you a gallon of diesel if you had an extra dollar.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 05, 2022 07:14 PM (hcR8z)

Concur. The field reports from the Marines who used it were very favorable. The 2 drawbacks were the bayonet was an afterthought and besides minor issues with small parts etc. Melvin Johnson was just not capable of producing it in the numbers demanded like the M1 Garand.

I think Melvin went on to work for ArmaLite and of course we know what came out of that.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 05, 2022 07:20 PM (R/m4+)

58 Congratulations on the long range trip! Their is nothing like it! My daughter just finished building her first long range gun, we took it out zeroed at 100, moved to 1000 then out to a mile. She went 4-4 at a mile on a two moa target.

Posted by: Nevada Dave at June 05, 2022 07:20 PM (3DzQz)

59 26 Also, really looking forward to the NoVaMoMe (#2 for me) and shooting with the DMV Gun Club on Sunday.

Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 07:12 PM

There is shooting Sunday? Lucky you!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 07:20 PM (fe7in)

60 Scoobs - guaranteed! Be good to see ya this coming weekend!

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at June 05, 2022 07:20 PM (mUYId)

61 Weasel! Horde! Last week I asked for advice on cleaning a 1911, and as always, the Horde delivered! On Monday, armed with last week's thread and several recommended videos, I field stripped, half-ass cleaned, lubed, and reassembled my new Rock Island 1911. I got stuck a few times, but nevertheless, I persisted! I know this is basic stuff but it's a BFD to me.

Friday night I took it to the range and shot about 20 rounds. I'm thrilled to report that the gun functioned perfectly! (The shooter, alas, was not so good, but I got closer to where I was aiming with each effort and all but 1 shot on paper.) It feels great and is fun to shoot. I'm stoked that I finally have my very own 1911 to hug and squeeze and call George, and that I didn't eff it up taking it apart!

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 05, 2022 07:21 PM (pkAcY)

62 Ward, did you let the rat out of it's cage again?

Posted by: Zombie June Cleaver at June 05, 2022 07:21 PM (Xrfse)

63 Like the fist of an angry God!

Posted by: Ward Cleaver at June 05, 2022 07:21 PM (4I/2K)

64 Hitting an 18 inch target at 1,000 yards? Big deal. I can do that.

Wait. You meant hit it ON PURPOSE?

Oh well.

Posted by: JTB at June 05, 2022 07:21 PM (7EjX1)

65 One group always left out when discussing who the M-1 Carbine was issued to are Infantry officers. They were to be the replacement for the officers standard sidearm, the 1911 pistol. The carbine was out of service when I was in the infantry. I carried the 1911 all the way until I separated in 1973.

Posted by: Javems at June 05, 2022 07:21 PM (AmoqO)

66 So. I've decided I need to make a few more purchases.
One is a Kimber compact 1911
A Sig P365
And a shotty. Maybe a Mossburg. Dunno.

I figure money invested in goods that hold their worth is better than it just sitting in the bank.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 05, 2022 07:21 PM (U2p+3)

67 48 Well my store is literally up to its eye teeth in Federal 40grain .22LR in 325 round packs. Something like 52,000 total rounds.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 05, 2022 07:18 PM (f25Qr)

The ammo case at the local store is full, unlike a year to a year and a half ago when it was almost always empty. They even have some four-ten.

Posted by: davidt at June 05, 2022 07:21 PM (vkJL/)

68 *puts Johnson sock on Sid *

Posted by: fd at June 05, 2022 07:22 PM (vrz2I)

69 Who is the Sid dude?

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at June 05, 2022 07:23 PM (mUYId)

70 Also, sra blaster went to the range on Memorial Day to one try out the new XL and to see if we could figure out how we had lost our mojo on her P365.

I figured mine out - finger placement on the trigger. I noticed switching between the P365 and the P365 XL - the XL has one of those flat triggers. What I was doing with hers was getting the trigger in the first joint of my finger instead of the pad of my finger. So I was pulling back and it would angle the pistol off a bit. Shooting with the flat trigger revealed that to me.

sra blaster got her mojo back but cannot figure out what was wrong the other day. She thinks maybe shoe just shoots better in heels. I am not going to argue with her.

Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 07:23 PM (9otr5)

71 I am a victim of caliber creep, now to include 5.7X28 in my magazine. So I started shopping around and have encountered an interesting thing. The best per round prices I find online are about -30% from the name vendors. But they don't take credit cards and they only sell bulk. Venmo, Paypal etc. The things that won't back you up on a rip off.

I think they are scams.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 05, 2022 07:23 PM (xn0Ie)

72 nurse, good for you on the shotgun. Great home defense.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 05, 2022 07:24 PM (7cElg)

73 Hitting an 18 inch target at 1,000 yards? Big deal. I can do that.

Wait. You meant hit it ON PURPOSE?

Oh well.
Posted by: JTB at June 05, 2022 07:21 PM (7EjX1)

Yeah if you told me to shoot in a ten yard area around it and miss it on purpose that's when I would hit it.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 05, 2022 07:24 PM (hcR8z)

74 Posted by: screaming in digital at June 05, 2022 07:21 PM (pkAcY)
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Excellent!!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 07:24 PM (0IeYL)

75 19 Weasel, I am disappointed. No review of the a-salt gun.
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Wasn't the blunderbuss the traditional cartoon salt gun?

Posted by: Ciampino at June 05, 2022 07:25 PM (qfLjt)

76 Nice photo of the range there. It really brings the 1,100 yards into perspective.

Posted by: Draki at June 05, 2022 07:26 PM (4bHx4)

77 And another thing we learned at the range - there IS such a thing as a learning curve with an optic. sra blaster could not shoot the XL for the life of her. Like hitting the other target rather than the one she was aiming at off.

She eventually figured out that there was a fuzzy bit of light, and bright fuzzy light, and a really bright sharp light.

Once she figured out the really bright sharp light, pew pew pew!

Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 07:26 PM (9otr5)

78 "House Dem Wants to Tax "Assault Weapons" 1,000% and It Could Pass Without GOP Votes"
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That's cool. Keep all those poor folks (and you know who) unarmed. /

Posted by: Javems at June 05, 2022 07:27 PM (AmoqO)

79 61 ... "I field stripped, half-ass cleaned, lubed, and reassembled my new Rock Island 1911. I got stuck a few times, but nevertheless, I persisted! I know this is basic stuff but it's a BFD to me."

SiD,
That's great! I still remember that first time I cleaned a 1911 and did it right. (Long before the internet.) Yeah, it's basic but it is, indeed, a BFD.

Posted by: JTB at June 05, 2022 07:27 PM (7EjX1)

80 would the difference in the cartridges be a factor in the test results?
Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 05, 2022 07:09 PM (jTmQV)

The tests weren't really precise (not like RI Red's!) in the variables controlled. So it's possible. But it was interesting to me how they tried to be very methodical about parts of it. Cartridge difference is a definite possibility.

Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 07:27 PM (y2RQD)

81 screaming in digital, fantastic. I need to talk to you.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 05, 2022 07:28 PM (7cElg)

82 And I think this goes without saying - after Biden's speech, buy guns and ammo.

Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 07:28 PM (9otr5)

83 Question For Weasel:

When shooting the LE SMLE out to 1100 yards were you able to get close enough for suppressive fire?

Keeping their heads down is half the battle...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 05, 2022 07:29 PM (R/m4+)

84 some cool stuff up there !

love the cigar pic, rhomboid !

OT, not gun-related, but I bought a new ham radio last week and this afternoon talked to the east coast on it ! success ! just a wire up in the trees behind the deck, and only 5 watts power ! still kinda high on that so apologies for going OT, but still ... new radio works, woohoo !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 05, 2022 07:29 PM (UGJLp)

85
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 05, 2022 07:29 PM (R/m4+)
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Pretty certain I nicked the side of the mountain!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 07:31 PM (0IeYL)

86 I will admit, there was a small breakdown in communication when I first started shooting at the 1,000 yard target. I do not know how many shots I took and Weasel was coming back with "No Data" or " I did not see anything"

After conversing with RI Red it wound up I was shooting at the wrong target, I was shooting at the 1,100 yard target!!

Not to fear, following the advice of our guru I brought everything back to zero and started over. Success rang out not to long after that.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 07:31 PM (fe7in)

87 What state are you in sockrat?

Posted by: fd at June 05, 2022 07:31 PM (vrz2I)

88 Pretty certain I nicked the side of the mountain!
Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 07:31 PM (0IeYL)

Hahahaha....good enough.

Thanks!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 05, 2022 07:32 PM (R/m4+)

89 Much like Iraq and Afghanistan, we will never win WWIII with Russia and China if I can't drive a thumbtack at 1000 meters. We need to consider terms of surrender now.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 05, 2022 07:32 PM (BP3/z)

90 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 07:31 PM (fe7in)
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Nah, bro. That was an alertness test for your spotter!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 07:33 PM (0IeYL)

91 I didn't hear it, but, the guy that gave away $80 billion in state of the art mil spec gear to the f**king Taliban, wants to put me in some knowledge about guns?

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 05, 2022 07:34 PM (jTmQV)

92 I'm stoked that I finally have my very own 1911 to hug and squeeze and call George, and that I didn't eff it up taking it apart!
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 05, 2022 07:21 PM (pkAcY)

YAY! Fabulous!

Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 07:34 PM (y2RQD)

93 Wisconsin, fd

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 05, 2022 07:35 PM (UGJLp)

94 Nevada Dave, that’s impressive. I’m nowhere near a mile yet. But I’m bringing Weasel when I do!

Posted by: RI Red at June 05, 2022 07:36 PM (xtg8y)

95 I am hoping to get to the range tomorrow to see how the P95 reacts to the addition of the optic. I had to shim the sight on the mount to get it close to zero with a laser boresight.

Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 07:36 PM (9otr5)

96 I didn't hear it, but, the guy that gave away $80 billion in state of the art mil spec gear to the f**king Taliban, wants to put me in some knowledge about guns?

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 05, 2022 07:34 PM (jTmQV)
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Evil American Gun Owners > Taliban

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 05, 2022 07:36 PM (5pTK/)

97 Good evening fellow enthusiasts.
We'll, my G48 arrived and looking to shoot it this coming Sunday. The arrival of a second handgun(I know, I know I have a long way to go to catch up). necessitated some additional purchases. I am now the proud owner of a new range bag, two soft covers for my pistols, a Hoppes cleaning kit and the adapter plate for the G48 for the Holosun that is next on the list.
I am very pleased.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 05, 2022 07:36 PM (Y+l9t)

98 Weasel asks: What was your impression of the service you received from the Ruger factory?

I was pleased with the factory service although it took almost 3 weeks to get the P345 back and cost about $105 to ship it there. Return shipping was on them. They were evidently in a hurry, for there was a part that had not been reinstalled correctly, but I was able to fix that. Haven't fired it since, but I will take it out soon since I have about 200 rounds of small-primer handholds and an itchy trigger finger.

Posted by: WTM at June 05, 2022 07:36 PM (MJ9C3)

99 90 Nah, bro. That was an alertness test for your spotter!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 07:33 PM

Have to say, looking through the scope it was hard to believe there was almost 100 yards between the two targets, I would have thought maybe 10 yards.

It does pay to have someone know the range. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 07:37 PM (fe7in)

100 You peeple makes me sick with all your guns that lill childrin of coler. Presdent Bidum should pass a law to take these be guns away from all those rednecks and losers ....

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at June 05, 2022 07:37 PM (4eN6q)

101 SiD!
That's awesome. Good for you! I started feeling less anxious about my firearms when I started taking them apart, cleaning and inspecting them and then putting them back together.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 05, 2022 07:37 PM (U2p+3)

102 Hitting an 18 inch target at 1,000 yards? Big deal. I can do that.

Posted by: JTB at June 05, 2022 07:21 PM (7EjX1)

I can do it on purpose. With a radio and an A-10.
Doubt it with a rifle at this point.

(OK. Both I and the A-10 are more than 1,000 yards from the target, usually. And the surrounding area is also obliterated. But, still.)

Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 07:37 PM (y2RQD)

103 "55 The thing Americans care about most I banning guns, and you guys have a weekly thread celebrating them. So backwards and out of step. You'll be surprised in November.
Posted by: Sid at June 05, 2022 07:19"
*****
Only lefty politicians want to ban guns. Americans are buying firearms in record numbers.

Posted by: Cosda at June 05, 2022 07:38 PM (xILWn)

104 Posted by: Nevada Dave at June 05, 2022 07:20 PM (3DzQz)
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Nice work, Nevada Dave!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 07:38 PM (0IeYL)

105 * puts Johnson sock on Mary *

Posted by: fd at June 05, 2022 07:38 PM (vrz2I)

106 that is So Cool, screaming i d ! 1911's rock !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 05, 2022 07:38 PM (UGJLp)

107 And a shotty. Maybe a Mossburg. Dunno.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 05, 2022 07:21 PM (U2p+3)

I will put the word in for the Mossberg. Definitely a reliable gun. (Simple is always good, imo.)

Though, I would really love to see video of you using a Franchi SPAS-12.

Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 07:39 PM (y2RQD)

108 The advice to buy ammo is good but don't forget the magazines, or clips, as the case may be.

Posted by: fd at June 05, 2022 07:39 PM (vrz2I)

109 SiD I believe that the gun threads august opinion is that all ettes should have 1911s.

Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 07:40 PM (9otr5)

110 I find parking a full sized rv behind the 1000 yard target an effective training aid.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at June 05, 2022 07:40 PM (2lVvQ)

111 RI Red
You’ll get there! It takes a team, the spotter is as important as the shooter. Wind calls are the name of the game. Too bad you all are so far away, I’d love to get you all out here.

Posted by: Nevada Dave at June 05, 2022 07:40 PM (3DzQz)

112 Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at June 05, 2022 07:37 PM

I passed by Brattleboro on my way home, I was wondering what was causing the odor in the air, now I know. Please keep your windows shut.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 07:41 PM (fe7in)

113 So I also took a couple of revolvers to the range to get reacquainted:

I had not shot the S&W model 1917 (1937 Brazilian contract) in several months. It shoots .45 in moon clips. I was missing entirely until I remembered that (duh) the sights are pretty different from the last gun I had in my hand, and I need to adjust accordingly. Much better! I like this gun, but think I need to change the grips as it is a little awkward to get my finger in the proper place on the trigger.

I finished my day with a S&W K frame .22 from Jesse's collection. The scuttlebutt is that it survived a house fire 40ish years ago. It's not pretty, but shoots just fine. I practiced shooting it double action some (following Jim SND's advice from last October).

I've noticed a couple things when shooting revolvers, which I generally do a little better than semiautos. If I miss with revolvers, I'm high, and not the classic low/left flinch I have with semiautos. Also, I can usually see the shot hit the target with a revolver. I think I'm closing my eye(s) at the wrong moment when I shoot semiautos. I have no explanation but this may be information I can use.

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 05, 2022 07:41 PM (pkAcY)

114 I have a new gun, a .17 caliber squirrel gun with a scope. It's really nice. I haven't hit anything but my husband is getting 20 squirrels every am with it.

I don't know what brand it is, it was a gift.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 05, 2022 07:41 PM (oeVy+)

115 Weasel
Thanks! I’m super proud of her, it was her first long range build. Great to see it all come together.

Posted by: Nevada Dave at June 05, 2022 07:42 PM (3DzQz)

116 40 Posted by: RI Red at June 05, 2022 07:16 PM

That was a nice shooting 6.5 RI Red, and loved the suppressor.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 07:42 PM (fe7in)

117 Ben Had, I'm here whenever you want to talk!

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 05, 2022 07:43 PM (pkAcY)

118 Mrs Eez used to be better with a 1911 than I was ... but I could do a field strip & reassemble by feel, with a brown paper grocery bag over my head.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 05, 2022 07:43 PM (UGJLp)

119 112 Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at June 05, 2022 07:37 PM

I passed by Brattleboro on my way home, I was wondering what was causing the odor in the air, now I know. Please keep your windows shut.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 07:41 PM (fe7in)
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I'm going to guess and say Sid also lives there.

Posted by: Ciampino at June 05, 2022 07:43 PM (qfLjt)

120 "20 squirrels every am"

Wow that's a lot of squirrels. Do you live on a nut farm?

Posted by: fd at June 05, 2022 07:43 PM (vrz2I)

121 I think they are scams.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 05, 2022 07:23 PM (xn0Ie)

I think I and a couple of others have identified some of them here. I stick with the ones identified above, plus:
Classic Firearms
MidSouth Shooter Supply (*waggles hand*)
Wholesale Hunter

Those aren't always as cheap, but they have stuff come up for sale frequently.

Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 07:44 PM (y2RQD)

122 Sockrat what's the name of the radio?

Posted by: fd at June 05, 2022 07:45 PM (vrz2I)

123 Nevada Dave, distance is not an issue. After all, I was able to convince three Morons to drive to northern New Hampshire to shoot, eat at a New England Main Street diner, drink micro-brew beer and generally have a good time.
You build it, we will come. Just like Texas MoMe!

Posted by: RI Red at June 05, 2022 07:45 PM (xtg8y)

124 Good Sunday evening, horde!

LOL at Sid.

Posted by: April-dash my lace wigs! at June 05, 2022 07:45 PM (OX9vb)

125 Wilson Combat has a coupon code (2A10) for 10% off of in-stock items good through tomorrow night.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 05, 2022 07:45 PM (a3Q+t)

126 Xiegu X6100 - brand new, software-defined, QRP, obviously from china.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 05, 2022 07:46 PM (UGJLp)

127
Willowed:
Gunmen kill 50+ during a Pentecost service at a Catholic church in Nigeria. I doubt it was Presbyterians or sedevacantists.

The Nigerian Fire Arms Act (1990) provides that no person shall have in his possession or under his control any firearm or ammunition except such person has a license from the President or from the Inspector General of Police.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 05, 2022 07:46 PM (/U27+)

128 So Weasel, how did the 4th shot go in your strings on Friday?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 05, 2022 07:47 PM (a3Q+t)

129 Mossberg has many shotguns - for a pump there is (in order of cost) the Maverick 88, the 500, the 835 (more hunting geared), and the 590 (which is mil-spec-ish).

As I look at prices on things now I am very surprised how much they have gone up. I paid $400 for a 590A1 in 2000. They've gone up!

Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 07:47 PM (9otr5)

130 That's awesome. Good for you! I started feeling less anxious about my firearms when I started taking them apart, cleaning and inspecting them and then putting them back together.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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Yes, this is really important to me. I want to develop some competence taking care of my guns and understanding how they operate.

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 05, 2022 07:48 PM (pkAcY)

131 Wow, Senate GOPe onboard with more gun control crap.

Way to snatch defeat from the Jaws of Victory.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 05, 2022 07:48 PM (oHd/0)

132 111 Posted by: Nevada Dave at June 05, 2022 07:40 PM

Nevada, Righto on wind calls. At times there were two of us on spotting scopes and Weasel taught us not to just look at the wind by the target but even look farther out.
Don't just concentrate on the target but everything around it and towards it.

It was such good conditions we were able to see the bullet going through the air. VERY helpful.

And as far as you being to far away? Nonsense, given a time and place you might be able to have a mini MoMe. I would have no problem going out to Nevada. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 07:48 PM (fe7in)

133 Those folks will use machetes if they don't have guns.

Posted by: fd at June 05, 2022 07:48 PM (vrz2I)

134 Re #71, Grump's comment about sketchy websites selling ammo. Yesterday after the pistol match one of the older regulars recounted how his search for powder had led to one of these places - only accepted some bank-to-bank transfers, no credit cards. A bit skeptical, he Zillow'd the business address. What appeared to be a small abandoned building (their web photos showed a yuuuge well-stocked warehouse).

So.

I would say, based on these two data points, that there is a thing here. Don't recall this happening in '13 (last big panic), but "progress", I guess. Be aware. Best of all, probably just buy from the usual sources, of course when/if they get stock.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 05, 2022 07:49 PM (OTzUX)

135 Thank you for the forum, weasel!

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 05, 2022 07:50 PM (U2p+3)

136 120 "20 squirrels every am"

Wow that's a lot of squirrels. Do you live on a nut farm?
Posted by: fd at June 05, 2022 07:43 PM (vrz2I)

It's a big ranch. They are ground squirrels and the babies are all over the place. There aren't as many in wet years. They are terrible. A bull had a hitch in his giddyup and I think he stepped in a squirrel hole. He's better now but I hate those squirrels.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 05, 2022 07:50 PM (oeVy+)

137 I think I'm closing my eye(s) at the wrong moment when I shoot semiautos.

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 05, 2022 07:41 PM (pkAcY)

I noticed my last time out that I was dropping my weapon slightly off target to assess my shot - every time. And I *might* have been loosing my grip and such to do so, affecting my aim.

Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 07:51 PM (y2RQD)

138 "We're not going to do anything that compromises people's Second Amendment rights," Murphy said on CNN's "State of the Union." "We're not going to do anything that compromises the ability of a law-abiding Americans to be able to buy a weapon. What we're talking about is trying to make sure that dangerous or potentially dangerous individuals don't have their hands on weapons."

They are just going to expand the definition of who is a potentially dangerous individual through vaguely worded red flag laws which strip people of their rights without due process and a labyrinthine process to prove innocence to unaccountable accusers.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 05, 2022 07:51 PM (R8uWY)

139 On the way to Weasel Acres I saw a roadside pop-up ammo shop. Guy with a trailer and tables laid out. It was kind of the middle of nowhere, Virginia. Prices were VERY high. I am guessing the guy hadn't heard of the internet or something.

Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 07:51 PM (9otr5)

140 "Wow, Senate GOPe onboard with more gun control crap."

Specifics?

My confidence in their uselessness is well-founded, historically vindicated, and robust. Just curious.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 05, 2022 07:52 PM (OTzUX)

141 128 So Weasel, how did the 4th shot go in your strings on Friday?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 05, 2022 07:47 PM (a3Q+t)
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This time 4th was replaced with 1st and 2nd!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 07:53 PM (0IeYL)

142 Wait... Mary is doing a Johnson

Eewww

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 05, 2022 07:53 PM (f25Qr)

143 I have to say, with all the talk about Congress wanting to enact more gun control laws (why they cannot just enforce the laws already out there is beyond me) I am very tempted to purchase an AR-15 when I am in Texas in October and leave it with a friend who lives there.

I sure as hell know it would be impossible to have a normal AR-15 in the Peoples Republic of New York City and NY State. Bloody Commies.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 07:53 PM (fe7in)

144 I’ll get looking at the calendar if people really want to come out. I’m teaching a class end of July then mid August maybe in the fall…hunting season is slow for me.

Posted by: Nevada Dave at June 05, 2022 07:53 PM (3DzQz)

145 SiD, take that confidence and satisfaction and (when the number of rounds through the 1911 warrants it, probably a while), do the full disassembly. No special tools or skills required, really pretty simple.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 05, 2022 07:53 PM (OTzUX)

146 hiya

Posted by: JT at June 05, 2022 07:54 PM (arJlL)

147 Any reputable places online for buying plates? And plate carrier too, I guess. Kid is in the military and has to buy his own stuff. Would like 4s if possible.

Posted by: NCKate at June 05, 2022 07:54 PM (2oJif)

148 You build it, we will come.
Posted by: RI Red at June 05, 2022 07:45 PM (xtg8y)

Hmmm, lots of tactical-type training ranges out that way (Nevada). That could be an interesting MoMe, especially if it involved simunitions or such.

Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 07:54 PM (y2RQD)

149 It's never too early to buy ammo. Don't wait until it's too late to buy ammo.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 05, 2022 07:54 PM (QzJWU)

150 Murphy said they are looking at "Florida style" federal laws signed by Sen (gov) Scott after Parkland in 2018.

21 year old minimum age, red flag laws, mental health grift funding.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 05, 2022 07:54 PM (R8uWY)

151 Gunmen kill 50+ during a Pentecost service at a Catholic church in Nigeria. I doubt it was Presbyterians or sedevacantists.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

Nigerian Christians are in perpetual danger. Doesn't make the news much, but this seems t be a regular occurrence there.

I pray for their protection.

Posted by: April-dash my lace wigs! at June 05, 2022 07:54 PM (OX9vb)

152 121 I think they are scams.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 05, 2022 07:23 PM (xn0Ie)

I think I and a couple of others have identified some of them here. I stick with the ones identified above, plus:
Classic Firearms
MidSouth Shooter Supply (*waggles hand*)
Wholesale Hunter
Those aren't always as cheap, but they have stuff come up for sale frequently.
Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 07:44 PM (y2RQD)

For ammo searches, I like WikiArms. YMMV
https://www.wikiarms.com/

Posted by: crusader at June 05, 2022 07:55 PM (AMIL/)

153 Oh ground squirrels. I was thinking tree squirrels. Yeah those dang things will also store their nuts in your tractors and chew up the wiring.

Posted by: fd at June 05, 2022 07:55 PM (vrz2I)

154 Posted by: nurse ratched at June 05, 2022 07:50 PM (U2p+3)
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Thanks for reading the thread and participating!!
Will txt you in the am.

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 07:55 PM (0IeYL)

155 I want to develop some competence taking care of my guns and understanding how they operate.
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 05, 2022 07:48 PM (pkAcY)

Next thing you know you'll be gunsmithing.

Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 07:55 PM (y2RQD)

156 Speaking of 1911s (aren't we usually?), yesterday at the handgun match I had probably the worst ever performance since I've been doing them, which is a few years now.

1911, which is OK - stock trigger/etc, which by now *should* be "shot-in" a bit and smoother, but it really isn't. That's OK, I've learned I can shoot if adequately with concentration and added support hand pressure over what's normal for me with semis.

Lots of strong-hand-only and weak-hand-only stages. I knew those would be brutal for me, and they were. Normal freestyle at normal ranges was OK.

One thing I love - problems whose only solutions involve .... more shooting. Here's one. Quit the indoor range last year, haven't done nearly the weekly round count as before. So after-hours at the outdoor range, here we come.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 05, 2022 07:56 PM (OTzUX)

157 @147 I got good deals and service from ar500armor.com

Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 07:57 PM (9otr5)

158 Thanks, blaster. I'll have him look.

Posted by: NCKate at June 05, 2022 07:57 PM (2oJif)

159 I am guessing the guy hadn't heard of the internet or something.
Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 07:51 PM (9otr5)

*tinfoil hat on* FIB scoping Weasel's place?

Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 07:58 PM (y2RQD)

160 Posted by: nurse ratched at June 05, 2022 07:21 PM (U2p+3)

Nurse, if you can afford it (big IF for a lot of people, I know), I can wholeheartedly recommend the Benelli M4. Yes, it's a lot of coin ($2K +), but it's arguably the softest shooting, most rugged, and most reliable 12 gauge tactical combat shotgun for full power defense rounds/slugs on the market today. If you get one, I suggest that you pay the extra $$ to acquire the Military/Law Enforcement model that comes with a full 7 shot magazine tube and collapsible stock. The collapsible stock comes in handy if your arms don't work too well for the Benelli's length of pull.

Posted by: Ed L at June 05, 2022 07:58 PM (/lmRp)

161 Scuba_Dude
You are right trace is really helpful! I’ve learned so much more spotting than I ever imagined. Good glass makes all the difference. Out here we mainly have mirage to judge wind. Backing in and out of magnification really helps. Don’t just look at the impact range.

Posted by: Nevada Dave at June 05, 2022 07:59 PM (3DzQz)

162 Cigar vixen has a nice rack...I mean...Guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 05, 2022 07:59 PM (xcxpd)

163 Way to snatch defeat from the Jaws of Victory.
Posted by: Romeo13

Can you say Elitist Uni-Party!
Because deep down in their rotten shriveled hearts they know they are better than you!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~every book has been totally rewritten ~ at June 05, 2022 07:59 PM (hOUT3)

164 Any reputable places online for buying plates? And plate carrier too, I guess. Kid is in the military and has to buy his own stuff. Would like 4s if possible.
Posted by: NCKate at June 05, 2022 07:54 PM (2oJif)

Ditto on ar500armor.com

The steel plate is cheap but heavy. Their ceramic is reasonable.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 05, 2022 07:59 PM (qt1H9)

165 Next thing you know you'll be gunsmithing.
Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 07:55 PM (y2RQD)
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Way back when, I bought a "drop in barrel" for a 1911. It wasn't that hard to fit. Took a bit sweat, lots of hand filing, but, the gun is still running after the barrel swap.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 05, 2022 07:59 PM (5pTK/)

166 I am very tempted to purchase an AR-15 when I am in Texas in October and leave it with a friend who lives there.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 07:53 PM (fe7in)

Ummm, unless you're a resident, that would be exactly the kind of thing you CANNOT do legally. They would have to ship it to NY.

Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 07:59 PM (y2RQD)

167 Imma chime in on Ed L's Benelli reco -

It is soo choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend it.

Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 07:59 PM (9otr5)

168 I seem to vaguely recall some ruling named "Heller", years back, but I must be mistaken. A completely routine application of that one would have eviscerated much of existing "gun control" law.

But I'll rack it up to my lack of understanding of the judicial system and constitutional system generally.

A district judge can freeze a presidential order based on uncontested constitutional as well as statutory authority, in the area of national security no less.

But a landmark SCOTUS ruling ..... well it's a curiosity and little more, apparently.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 05, 2022 08:01 PM (OTzUX)

169 Just watched the video of the guy shooting the 1911 vs the M1 carbine.

Really cool.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 05, 2022 08:01 PM (U2p+3)

170 No range trip, but did go to a MoMe. It was gun-adjacent, as open carry is legal in WA and so I did.

Also just got my PSA Dagger back with a Vortex Venom mounted on it. The package was $400 without the red dot but with 10 Pmags, 5 15 rounders, 5 27 rounders. Whew. Had to buy it. We'll break it in next weekend, do some accuracy tests. Already have a holster for it, we'll see how THAT does in the weeks to come.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 05, 2022 08:01 PM (xcxpd)

171 The 2 NY attorneys who tried to assassinate a cop by torching him in his cruiser were allowed to reverse their prior guilty plea which was going to give a 10 year prison term, and instead plead guilty to helping to assemble an incendiary device and damage to NYC property. Gets them an 18 month sentence. FJBs DOJ said 10 years was too much for these upstanding utes.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 05, 2022 08:02 PM (R8uWY)

172 A district judge can freeze a presidential order based on uncontested constitutional as well as statutory authority, in the area of national security no less.

But a landmark SCOTUS ruling ..... well it's a curiosity and little more, apparently.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 05, 2022 08:01 PM (OTzUX)
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San Diego county sheriff was ordered, by the courts, to issue permits. He refused, without any consequences. In fact, I ran into another CA ex-pat who'd worked with that particular sheriff and despised the man.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 05, 2022 08:03 PM (5pTK/)

173 Murphy said they are looking at "Florida style" federal laws signed by Sen (gov) Scott after Parkland in 2018.
21 year old minimum age, red flag laws, mental health grift funding.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 05, 2022 07:54 PM (R8uWY)

They also outlawed certain triggers such as the Fostech binary and bump stock contraptions which "increase the rate of fire" bullshit.

Scott and his bald headed ass doesn't even know what end of the rifle a round comes out of but he knows a medicare check when he steals one.

Never give up your guns or your access to them.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 05, 2022 08:03 PM (R/m4+)

174 I am very tempted to purchase an AR-15 when I am in Texas in October and leave it with a friend who lives there.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 07:53 PM (fe7in)

Ummm, unless you're a resident, that would be exactly the kind of thing you CANNOT do legally. They would have to ship it to NY.

Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 07:59 PM

You can buy a long gun in most states* if you can pass the background check no matter what state you live in.

*Some states prohibit the purchase of long guns by non residents. CT, NJ, RI, MA and other states will not sell long guns to residents of other states. As always, check your local laws before purchasing any firearms.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 05, 2022 08:03 PM (bVYXr)

175 Imma chime in on Ed L's Benelli reco -
It is soo choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend it.
Posted by: blaster

I agree with blaster, that is a sweet shotgun that just wants to help you hit what you are aiming at!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~every book has been totally rewritten ~ at June 05, 2022 08:04 PM (hOUT3)

176 There are two more DMV MGC members who acquired canoe ballast this week - I am waiting on them to tell the tale and not spoiling it for them.

Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 08:04 PM (9otr5)

177 166 Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 07:59 PM

My understanding that is if I want to purchase a handgun. Long gun is different. But one way to find out is I go to a firearms dealer and ask if as an out of state resident would that prohibit me from purchasing.

Unlike the law breakers I will follow the law.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 08:05 PM (fe7in)

178 Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 07:47 PM (9otr5)

Placed a special order for a Mossberg 590A1 at my LGS over two years ago. It's still not in yet. Somehow, I found and picked up my Benelli M4 Military/LE model at Chantilly right after that. I thought the 590A1 would be a lot easier to find than the Benelli M4.

Posted by: Ed L at June 05, 2022 08:05 PM (/lmRp)

179 Looks like Gun Jesus in that carbine video. Will watch.

Cat Ass, wow. One of the really outstanding moments in the entire season of national disgrace in 2020 - two connected elite lawyers nabbed for fire-bombing a police car, with people in it.

And, and ..... well of course there it is. Slap on the wrist. Third World country.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 05, 2022 08:05 PM (OTzUX)

180 For those with an interest in BP guns and history, Mike Beliveau's (Duelist1954) latest YT video is about the Colt Paterson revolver. Most cap and ball shooters know the basic story but Mike's video provided a lot of information about Colt the man and some of the innovations he began in manufacturing. It also provided the best practical demonstration I've seen of how they were loaded, how they were used successfully in combat, and the many downsides of the design.

It was a good practical lesson in history and worth the time to watch.

Posted by: JTB at June 05, 2022 08:05 PM (7EjX1)

181 "Much like Iraq and Afghanistan, we will never win WWIII with Russia and China if I can't drive a thumbtack at 1000 meters. We need to consider terms of surrender now."

The Taliban has for a very long time played the range game. They would determine the effective range of an adversaries weapons and ensure theirs would reach longer distances. When they determined many of our 5.56 rounds were less effective beyond the 300 meters- guess what they did? They did it with the British in the 19th century by using Jezzail Flintlocks, and again with the Soviets by using Mauser and Lee Enfields. Part of our response was to focus on different rounds, which is why you see different 5.56 variants going out during those years. Others were developments like the m110 which more effectively accurately tossed to 800 meters or so. It's also by the M22/MRAD is a very important development. Distance is life. YMMV

Posted by: Marcus T at June 05, 2022 08:07 PM (cFL36)

182 I thought the 590A1 would be a lot easier to find than the Benelli M4.
Posted by: Ed L at June 05, 2022 08:05 PM (/lmRp)

I am guessing the military has been placing a lot of orders for them. You'd think though with the GWOT over that there would be capacity.

I bought mine right off the sheld from the old Blue Ridge Arsenal.

Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 08:07 PM (9otr5)

183 I've shot both a Benelli and the Mossburg.

Didn't make much difference. I hit the intended target.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 05, 2022 08:08 PM (U2p+3)

184 Any reputable places online for buying plates? And plate carrier too, I guess.

Posted by: NCKate at June 05, 2022 07:54 PM (2oJif)

A list from my emails:
-AR Tactical is a brand sold through (at least one place) Advanced Tactical
-RTS Tactical
-National Body Armor

That stuff is expensive.

Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 08:08 PM (y2RQD)

185 blake that sherif, who's finally retiring (I think), was intimately involved in some of the most infamous FBI scandals (Ruby Ridge, I think).

His opponent last time he ran (a gay Democrat veteran sheriff type, seriously) made "shall issue" his main campaign issue, a savvy move. The POS incumbent then suddenly moved to a kinda-sorta semi-shall-issue stance.

Seems like everyone at the club where I usually shoot matches got their permit, fairly quickly too. Have no idea what the current contender candidates say about the subject.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 05, 2022 08:08 PM (OTzUX)

186 Glad you guys had a great time
Have a good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at June 05, 2022 08:09 PM (2JoB8)

187 Thanks for the tip. I generally try to do this. Perdomo somehoe over glued bands that not only stuck to themselves but also were glued to the cigar.... Such is life. Always constructed well, perfect even... Except the glue on the bands. (Their foot bands never had this problem.)

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable, now with ultra maga at June 05, 2022 08:10 PM (0OmEj)

188 Marcus, didn't they bring out some M-14s for A'stan too, for precisely the reasons you state?

Posted by: rhomboid at June 05, 2022 08:10 PM (OTzUX)

189 MARK!

You are the awesomest! Thank you for all your efforts at our MoMeet. So great to see you and all of our peeps!

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 05, 2022 08:10 PM (U2p+3)

190 Posted by: USNtakim deplorable, now with ultra maga at June 05, 2022 08:10 PM (0OmEj)
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That can be soooo annoying. Good luck!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 08:11 PM (0IeYL)

191 my G48 arrived and looking to shoot it this coming Sunday. The arrival of a second handgun(I know, I know I have a long way to go to catch up). necessitated some additional purchases. I am now the proud owner of a new range bag, two soft covers for my pistols, a Hoppes cleaning kit and the adapter plate for the G48 for the Holosun that is next on the list.
I am very pleased.
Posted by: Sharon
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congrats, Sharon! Happy shootin'!

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 05, 2022 08:11 PM (pkAcY)

192 I've shot both a Benelli and the Mossburg.

Didn't make much difference. I hit the intended target.
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 05, 2022 08:08 PM (U2p+3)

You were giggly shooting my Stevens 320, too.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 05, 2022 08:11 PM (xcxpd)

193 Hey blaster, any chance a fellow Moron can join you folks at the range on Sunday?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 08:12 PM (fe7in)

194 There are many fine shotguns but once you fire an M4 Super 90, you will never go back. Nothing says AMF better then a semi auto with OO.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 05, 2022 08:12 PM (cFL36)

195 Posted by: nurse ratched at June 05, 2022 08:10 PM (U2p+3)

And I know I see you most Saturdays but it was good seeing you too. It was a good MoMe!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 05, 2022 08:12 PM (xcxpd)

196 CBD hit 867 at his first time on a looong range...

Posted by: RI Red at June 05, 2022 07:16 PM (xtg8y)

And I have credit the wind call and the adjustments to you! I wouldn't have made the shots without your input.

[Back to the grill...]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 05, 2022 08:13 PM (XIJ/X)

197 USNtakim I've never had a serious stuck-band problem, but I've had a few close calls. So far the heat trick has generally sufficed.

I take it the industry has been working flat-out - sort of similar to gun and ammo industries - for a few years now, won't be surprised if quality assurance problems show up here/there. Premium cigar imports into the US *doubled* in one year, I believe, 2020 to 2021 I think it was. Finding/keeping good labor is a major challenge, at least in the centers of production like Nicaragua and Honduras.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 05, 2022 08:13 PM (OTzUX)

198 " ... I am guessing the guy hadn't heard of the internet or something.

Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 07:51 PM (9otr5) "

or he was going for people who utterly refuse to use a credit card online for anything gun related.
which might be a surprisingly large demographic ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 05, 2022 08:13 PM (UGJLp)

199 Dems have proposed a 1000% tax on evil scary guns.

Obviously this bill has no chance of passing the senate. Today. In a few years, after 20 million illegals are amnestied and become voting citizens, concentrated in red states, who knows?

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 05, 2022 08:14 PM (3vQN0)

200 Thanks SiD. My new range bag is very pretty. Black with pink straps. I don;t think I will have any problem keeping an eye on it at the range.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 05, 2022 08:16 PM (Y+l9t)

201 196 CBD hit 867 at his first time on a looong range...

Posted by: RI Red at June 05, 2022 07:16 PM (xtg8y)

And I have credit the wind call and the adjustments to you! I wouldn't have made the shots without your input.

[Back to the grill...]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 05, 2022 08:13 PM (XIJ/X)
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Agreed. RI Red has made amazing progress in his long range shooting over the last couple of years!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 08:16 PM (0IeYL)

202 One is a Kimber compact 1911
A Sig P365
And a shotty. Maybe a Mossburg. Dunno.

I figure money invested in goods that hold their worth is better than it just sitting in the bank.
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 05, 2022 07:21 PM

Good choices, all. I strongly consider a Mossberg 590S w/the 20" barrel, if you can find one.

Also, Les Baer's are apparently more available than usual right now.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 05, 2022 08:16 PM (a3Q+t)

203 @scuba_dude sharon(willow's apprentice) has been coordinating for post NoVaMoMe shoosting.

Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 08:17 PM (9otr5)

204 Meanwhile back at the ranch...

Tepid Err's Clown Car Mafia of supine butt thrusters are making the case that the GOP *must* cave on red flag laws....

Posted by: sven at June 05, 2022 08:17 PM (Lzpvj)

205 199 Dems have proposed a 1000% tax on evil scary guns.

Obviously this bill has no chance of passing the senate. Today. In a few years, after 20 million illegals are amnestied and become voting citizens, concentrated in red states, who knows?
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 05, 2022 08:14 PM (3vQN0)
Presione uno para espanol.

Posted by: Eromero at June 05, 2022 08:18 PM (0OP+5)

206 "Marcus, didn't they bring out some M-14s for A'stan too, for precisely the reasons you state?
Posted by: rhomboid at June 05, 2022 08:10 PM (OTzUX)"

Yes. They were in the armory and a lot of CONEX boxes. It's also why you saw KAC roll out the MK11, et al

Posted by: Marcus T at June 05, 2022 08:18 PM (cFL36)

207 "Give us the ability to nullify the 2d amendment on an individual scale on a whim and we will leave the 2d Amdmt alone...."

//Jack Ass and the mules

Posted by: sven at June 05, 2022 08:18 PM (Lzpvj)

208 206 Posted by: Marcus T at June 05, 2022 08:18 PM (cFL36)

Heard some designated marksmen saying that the M-21s were outdistanced by some opfor kit.

Posted by: sven at June 05, 2022 08:19 PM (Lzpvj)

209 Scuba-dude, send me an email. (in my nic). Are you going to be at the MoMe?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 05, 2022 08:19 PM (Y+l9t)

210 or he was going for people who utterly refuse to use a credit card online for anything gun related.
which might be a surprisingly large demographic ...
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 05, 2022 08:13 PM (UGJLp)

Hadn't thought of that but yeah could be.

Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 08:20 PM (9otr5)

211 Cigar review. Gurka ghost asura. Only had one as it was a gift. A Brazilian maduro wrapped stick. Heavy amazing amounts of smoke. (tons). Surprisingly mild with sweet flavors. Well constructed, even cool burn. Great smoke! No spice at all.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable, now with ultra maga at June 05, 2022 08:20 PM (0OmEj)

212 203 Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 08:17 PM

Thanks blaster!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 08:20 PM (fe7in)

213 Dems have proposed a 1000% tax on evil scary guns.

Obviously this bill has no chance of passing the senate. Today. In a few years, after 20 million illegals are amnestied and become voting citizens, concentrated in red states, who knows?

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 05, 2022 08:14 PM

And pray tell who pockets this 1000% tax on icky black firearms?

I mean for a Daniel Defense top of the line AR-15 the tax would top at at about $2,500,000. Someone is gonna be getting that cash.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 05, 2022 08:20 PM (bVYXr)

214 Posted by: nurse ratched at June 05, 2022 08:08 PM (U2p+3)

Nurse, the Benelli M4 uses a gas operating system, not an inertial system that most other semi-auto shotguns use. That gas operating system eats up a lot of recoil, making quick follow up shots a lot easier. It also allows you to go full "tacti-cool" mode on your shotgun. Extra weight from red dot sights, flashlights, extra rounds, or other devices hamper an inertial system's operation, preventing round extraction or feeding. The Benelli's gas system doesn't care about what you hang on your M4. That's probably the reason why the USMC uses the Benelli M4 as its shotgun of choice.

Posted by: Ed L at June 05, 2022 08:21 PM (/lmRp)

215 210 Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 08:20 PM (9otr5)

Gunbroker took away my bidding ability for lack of use....

all I need is a credit card I refuse to give....

It's okay, I can get by without them.

Posted by: sven at June 05, 2022 08:21 PM (Lzpvj)

216 Was on the horn with Giggles. I'll be right back and catch up. Gotta go cover the bike

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at June 05, 2022 08:22 PM (mUYId)

217 209 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 05, 2022 08:19 PM

Hi Sharon, just sent email. And yes, I will be at the MoMe. Can't wait!! :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 08:22 PM (fe7in)

218 So, based on the deft pResidential leadership I could see unfolding I decided to buy some more canoe ballast.
I had been thinking about the G17 Glock after I had test fired a demo model, but kept putting it off. Foolishly, I did not act on this until the factory installed MOS one was unavailable.
But the latest blatant coordinated maneuver to subvert that pesky 2A lead me to conclude upgradable canoe ballast is better than no canoe ballast, so I hied myself to the storied MCG range, which just happened to also be a Glock dealership.
They were nice enough to let me handle several models and I eventually test fired the G17 and the G19x. I concluded that the G19x grip just seemed far more natural for me, so I went with it (even though I kept thinking what would General Patton say about someone carrying a Flat Dark Earth pistol).
So I will be using iron sights for a bit but hope to upgrade to Holosun green dot optics in the very near future.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~every book has been totally rewritten ~ at June 05, 2022 08:22 PM (hOUT3)

219 Thx CBD.

All - please use tiny url or similar when posting links.

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 08:22 PM (NfvGL)

220
Tepid Err's Clown Car Mafia of supine butt thrusters are making the case that the GOP *must* cave on red flag laws....
Posted by: sven at June 05, 2022 08:17 PM (Lzpvj)

I'm single-issue on guns. Anyone who votes for gun control, I will vote for their opponent.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 05, 2022 08:22 PM (xcxpd)

221 " Xiegu X6100"

That thing is really cool. Its amazing what they can cram into that package.

Posted by: fd at June 05, 2022 08:22 PM (vrz2I)

222 That looks like a really nice range Weasel!! That's my kind of shooting!

Posted by: ck at June 05, 2022 08:23 PM (iBg56)

223 My understanding that is if I want to purchase a handgun. Long gun is different. But one way to find out is I go to a firearms dealer and ask if as an out of state resident would that prohibit me from purchasing.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 08:05 PM

Scuba_Dude, call your LGS and ask them. I'm going to bet 500 quatloos that what they tell you is 'Handgun - must be a state resident. Long gun can be shipped to a FFL in your state.'

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 05, 2022 08:23 PM (a3Q+t)

224 >>>There are many fine shotguns but once you fire an M4 Super 90, you will never go back.

>I used to really like my M2 until, while I was canoeing, a Canadian goose snatched it from my grasp and dumped it into an alpine lake.

Now I can't afford one until Putin relaxes his inflation and price hikes on Biden's economy.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 05, 2022 08:24 PM (BP3/z)

225 222 That looks like a really nice range Weasel!! That's my kind of shooting!
Posted by: ck at June 05, 2022 08:23 PM (iBg56)
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It was a really fun day!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 08:24 PM (0IeYL)

226 220 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 05, 2022 08:22 PM (xcxpd)

The Fudds are making noise about throwing modern shooters under the bus.....

Like I told a Fudd guru on twatter back in the day, "you eliminate semi-autos and sport arms and I promise you there is no depth I will not vote down to to ensure that hunting, fishing, and your hunting guns are outlawed.

Posted by: sven at June 05, 2022 08:24 PM (Lzpvj)

227 Someone is gonna be getting that cash.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS)

Let me guess, the Big Guy will be getting 10%!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~every book has been totally rewritten ~ at June 05, 2022 08:24 PM (hOUT3)

228 Oh, another thing that was a blast on Friday.
RI Red brought an absolutely gorgeous Garand.

At the range there is a boulder at 525 yards that I was hitting with that rifle using iron sights until that wonderful "Ping" sound told me the fun was over.

Thank you RI Red for being such a wonderful host. Looking forward to next year.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 08:25 PM (fe7in)

229 Remington 870 his a pretty decent home defense option. Reasonably priced.

Posted by: Javems at June 05, 2022 08:25 PM (/wRdn)

230 I am fighting the temptation to buy another shotgun, I think the Armscor Ithaca 37 copy looks neat.

Posted by: sven at June 05, 2022 08:25 PM (Lzpvj)

231 Commissar Hrothgar, General Patton would say something like 'Make the other poor bastard die for his country.'

Posted by: Eromero at June 05, 2022 08:26 PM (0OP+5)

232
230 I am fighting the temptation to buy another shotgun, I think the Armscor Ithaca 37 copy looks neat.
Posted by: sven at June 05, 2022 08:25 PM (Lzpvj)
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I have an Ithaca 37 and love it!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 08:26 PM (0IeYL)

233 223 Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 05, 2022 08:23 PM

Will do Duncanthrax!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 08:26 PM (fe7in)

234 Sven gunbroker changed to a gunbroker owned money system. You have to get in their approved system in order to purchase any more.

Yes I imagine it has cut down on trade I haven't bought anything there since.

Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 08:26 PM (9otr5)

235 229 Posted by: Javems at June 05, 2022 08:25 PM (/wRdn)

I like the 870, every once in a bit you can find Prison surplus 870s that were treated very nicely by their armories.

Posted by: sven at June 05, 2022 08:26 PM (Lzpvj)

236 My understanding that is if I want to purchase a handgun. Long gun is different. But one way to find out is I go to a firearms dealer and ask if as an out of state resident would that prohibit me from purchasing.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 08:05 PM

Scuba_Dude, call your LGS and ask them. I'm going to bet 500 quatloos that what they tell you is 'Handgun - must be a state resident. Long gun can be shipped to a FFL in your state.'

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 05, 2022 08:23 PM

I have seen multiple people from Oklahoma come to the Cabelas in Allen Texas and purchase long guns that were on sale, walk out of the store with them after passing the background check. As noted above, each State law may be different.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 05, 2022 08:27 PM (bVYXr)

237 234 Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 08:26 PM (9otr5)

I never used it a bunch, but I did get a couple of interesting finds over the years.

The old bolt guns I like the buy are radically overpriced these days, so I do not need it anymore.

Posted by: sven at June 05, 2022 08:28 PM (Lzpvj)

238 Can't remember. has there been a Gun Thread post that focuses (ha!) on scopes, types, and what works best for what situations? What brands are good, great and awesome?

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at June 05, 2022 08:28 PM (fv27Y)

239 Posted by: Marcus T at June 05, 2022 08:18 PM (cFL36)

I saw a fair number of M14s in both Iraq (Baghdad) and Afghanistan (Kabul/Kandarhar) in use on my deployments to those lovely vacation spots. Most of the ones I saw had the wooden stocks and furniture replaced with fiberglass, with Picatinny rails, modern optics, better triggers, and match grade barrels attached. But I still saw a few M14s in their original configuration out there among the infantry.

Posted by: Ed L at June 05, 2022 08:29 PM (/lmRp)

240 232 Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 08:26 PM (0IeYL)

The Ithaca 37 is probably my favorite pump gun especially the older ones.

I also am interested in configuring eithert an Auto5 or Rem11 into the WW1 "Russia" Polar Expedition security configuration as a project.

Posted by: sven at June 05, 2022 08:29 PM (Lzpvj)

241 Anyone who votes for gun control, I will vote for their opponent.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

This might work if all the candidates were not "preselected" to follow the proper narrative when it counts, previous lip service is no guarantee of future performance!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~every book has been totally rewritten ~ at June 05, 2022 08:30 PM (hOUT3)

242 Gunbroker took away my bidding ability for lack of use....

all I need is a credit card I refuse to give....

It's okay, I can get by without them.

Posted by: sven at June 05, 2022 08:21 PM

Go to Walmart and get one of those reloadable visa debit cards, they work fine for most everything on line without exposing your bank card to potential fraud. They can't hack anything that is not pre loaded on the card and Walmart is pretty good for covering fraud on their cards. They cost $3.00 to put money on them.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 05, 2022 08:30 PM (bVYXr)

243 Time for me to call it a night.

Thank you Weasel for another great thread and guiding me towards my thousand yard shot. Looking at getting a better rear bag for the future.

And thanks again to RI Red for setting this up and showing us NH hospitality. And CBD for letting me try some of his toys.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 08:30 PM (fe7in)

244
Nurse, the Benelli M4 uses a gas operating system, not an inertial system that most other semi-auto shotguns use. That gas operating system eats up a lot of recoil, making quick follow up shots a lot easier. It also allows you to go full "tacti-cool" mode on your shotgun. Extra weight from red dot sights, flashlights, extra rounds, or other devices hamper an inertial system's operation, preventing round extraction or feeding. The Benelli's gas system doesn't care about what you hang on your M4. That's probably the reason why the USMC uses the Benelli M4 as its shotgun of choice

The gas system is what most semis use, that benelli went to gas, when everything they had made before was inertia, is what is interesting about the m4, repudiates the history of the inertia guns

Posted by: Y5 at June 05, 2022 08:31 PM (ikIMD)

245 238 Can't remember. has there been a Gun Thread post that focuses (ha!) on scopes, types, and what works best for what situations? What brands are good, great and awesome?
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at June 05, 2022 08:28 PM (fv27Y)
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We've discussed it in various detail over the years, but haven't done a big thing on the subject. I can put something together but in the meantime drop me a line if you like.

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 08:31 PM (0IeYL)

246 241 Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~every book has been totally rewritten ~ at June 05, 2022 08:30 PM (hOUT3)

The Samson option is using the crazies on the left the Fudds want to use to get their way to end the whole thing.

One horrid weakness of "democracy" is that the unalterable lunatic eventually gets their way because the "sane" compromisers each use the lunatics to chip away at each other.

Why I prefer "republics."

Posted by: sven at June 05, 2022 08:31 PM (Lzpvj)

247 BTW, MidSouth Shooter's Supply celebrated "6.5 Day" with discounts on Grendel and Creedmor. A cute way to make some sales.

I'm now waiting for the 62d of July....

Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 08:32 PM (PRY+J)

248 Cigar review. Gurka ghost asura. Only had one as it was a gift. A Brazilian maduro wrapped stick. Heavy amazing amounts of smoke. (tons). Surprisingly mild with sweet flavors. Well constructed, even cool burn. Great smoke! No spice at all.
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable, now with ultra maga at June 05, 2022 08:20 PM (0OmEj)

Concur. My favorite cigar of all time is a Gurkha Box Pressed Churchill. Hard to find but worth it when you do.

I made the fatal mistake when I had bought a box and passed some out to my "friends".

Bastards.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 05, 2022 08:33 PM (R/m4+)

249 242 Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 05, 2022 08:30 PM (bVYXr)

I can see the day coming where being found to have used a "shadow card" in a gun transaction is defacto proof you need redflagged.

We are heading to 1984 disguised as Brave New World using Harrison Bergeron as a hymnal.

Posted by: sven at June 05, 2022 08:33 PM (Lzpvj)

250 Commissar Hrothgar, General Patton would say something like 'Make the other poor bastard die for his country.'
Posted by: Eromero at June 05, 2022 08:26 PM (0OP+5)

George S. Patton Jr. -
"Son, only a pimp in a Louisiana whore-house carries pearl-handled revolvers. These are ivory.’"

SO maybe he'd be fine with the Flat Dark Earth?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~every book has been totally rewritten ~ at June 05, 2022 08:34 PM (hOUT3)

251 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 05, 2022 08:30 PM (fe7in)
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Nice shooting and it was a pleasure shooting with you, amigo. 'Nite!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 08:35 PM (0IeYL)

252 "Heard some designated marksmen saying that the M-21s were outdistanced by some opfor kit.
Posted by: sven at June 05, 2022 08:19 PM (Lzpvj)"

Depends. Don't forget the Taliban was sometimes shooting beyond the weapons alleged effective range. Lee Enfields if I remember correctly MER is ~ 2000 meters. I guarantee you the booger eaters were putting rounds beyond that. Same with the SVD's, and PSL's. I think the m21 was over 3,000 meters. But at those distances it's the shooter that makes a difference. Some of those fuckers had been carrying those rifles for ages.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 05, 2022 08:36 PM (cFL36)

253 Why I prefer "republics."
Posted by: sven at June 05, 2022 08:31 PM (Lzpvj)

"A republic, if you can keep it!" seems to ring a historical bell!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~every book has been totally rewritten ~ at June 05, 2022 08:36 PM (hOUT3)

254 " ... No special tools or skills required, really pretty simple.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 05, 2022 07:53 PM (OTzUX) "

iffen I can find 'em around here I have a bunch of the issue tools for the 1911; a L-shape, grip screwdriver on the short leg, pin punch on the long one. you could do a full disassembly using only that.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 05, 2022 08:36 PM (UGJLp)

255 Weasel,
Thanks, as always for another gun thread. Even when I don't have much to contribute, I love learning about Horde members new accomplishments and gear.

Posted by: JTB at June 05, 2022 08:37 PM (7EjX1)

256 Posted by: JTB at June 05, 2022 08:37 PM (7EjX1)
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Thank you, JTB! My pleasure!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 08:38 PM (0IeYL)

257 I have seen multiple people from Oklahoma come to the Cabelas in Allen Texas and purchase long guns that were on sale, walk out of the store with them after passing the background check. As noted above, each State law may be different.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 05, 2022 08:27 PM

Well, the Okies just consider Texas to be Baja Oklahoma.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 05, 2022 08:39 PM (a3Q+t)

258 "We've discussed it in various detail over the years, but haven't done a big thing on the subject. I can put something together but in the meantime drop me a line if you like.

Posted by: Weasel "

I got the stock 4-12x on my .308 Remington 700 w/ heavy barrel. Looking to upgrade without breaking the bank.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at June 05, 2022 08:39 PM (fv27Y)

259 I have seen multiple people from Oklahoma come to the Cabelas in Allen Texas and purchase long guns that were on sale, walk out of the store with them after passing the background check. As noted above, each State law may be different.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 05, 2022 08:27 PM

Well, the Okies just consider Texas to be Baja Oklahoma.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 05, 2022 08:39 PM

I had a guy from Oklahoma tell me that Oklahoma is Texas largest County.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 05, 2022 08:41 PM (bVYXr)

260 "Posted by: Ed L at June 05, 2022 08:29 PM (/lmRp)"

Most of the Gucci upgrades were in the hands of guys in group. Then they trickled down to the peasants who had most of the ones that doubled as a club.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 05, 2022 08:41 PM (cFL36)

261 Posted by: AshevilleRobert at June 05, 2022 08:28 PM (fv27Y)

Robert, you'll need to define what you goes into your ratings for "good," "great," and "awesome." For me, that's the optic's ability to take a beating w/o any problems in using the scope. Trijicon and Aimpoint go to the top of the heap for me for that reason. The Trijicon ACOG and Aimpoint Comp M4 are GI and Marine resistant. Therefore, they should be able to withstand anything you can dish out as a user and still work as advertised. I've seen these optics get stepped on, bashed around inside vehicles, and get hit by stray shrapnel in combat and not only continue to function, but keep their zero. Yes, they cost $$.

Posted by: Ed L at June 05, 2022 08:42 PM (/lmRp)

262 I have a Remington 20ga that I keep for home defense and yes, I have used it for home defense. I don't see any need for a 12ga in the home.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 05, 2022 08:43 PM (7cElg)

263 262 Posted by: Ben Had at June 05, 2022 08:43 PM (7cElg)

Depends on how big your rooms are I guess.

Posted by: sven at June 05, 2022 08:43 PM (Lzpvj)

264 Likely Oklahoma law is similar to VA law. We can buy long guns from a state that borders VA.

And I recall Kyle Rittenhouse had a friend purchase and hold an AR15 for him in Wisconsin and that was found to not be illegal.

I am wondering if a gun trust could be used for this purpose.

Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 08:44 PM (9otr5)

265 I have a Remington 20ga that I keep for home defense and yes, I have used it for home defense. I don't see any need for a 12ga in the home.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 05, 2022 08:43 PM

I wish I could find a decent 870 in 20 gauge for home defense.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 05, 2022 08:45 PM (bVYXr)

266 Good evening everyone. Thank you Weasel for hosting the thread, once again.

I did make it to the range this week. I needed to sight in two newly mounted red dots.

I made a earth shattering discovery - if you turn your adjustment screws in the opposite direction that will move your point of impact to where you want it to be, you will spend at least twice as long at the range and use roughly twice as much ammo as would otherwise be necessary.

Who knew?

Posted by: Tonypete at June 05, 2022 08:46 PM (L9/32)

267 We are heading to 1984 disguised as Brave New World using Harrison Bergeron as a hymnal.
Posted by: sven at June 05, 2022 08:33 PM (Lzpvj)

You forgot two. We've already seen some from Atlas, and signs of 451 Farenheit.

Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 08:47 PM (W0i8D)

268 fd, innit ?

tried & tried to talk myself out of it, but no, didn't work for nuffin.
most nearly as bad as buyin' a gun ...

so far, impressed !

takin' it out in the morning to a state park for a bit of fun ! packing gatorade & coffee ... look for me on or after dawn (cdt), gonna try to chase the grayline if i can see the trail ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 05, 2022 08:47 PM (UGJLp)

269 I remember when turn-in Mossberg 590 Tac were going for $300. Those were the days my friend.

Posted by: Eromero at June 05, 2022 08:47 PM (0OP+5)

270 probly on 20 meters ... the wire seems to be good there ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 05, 2022 08:48 PM (UGJLp)

271 Posted by: Tonypete at June 05, 2022 08:46 PM (L9/32)
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It's a painful lesson, that's for sure!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 08:49 PM (0IeYL)

272 I wish I could find a decent 870 in 20 gauge for home defense.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 05, 2022 08:45 PM (bVYXr)

Grabagun dot com

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 05, 2022 08:49 PM (xcxpd)

273 And pray tell who pockets this 1000% tax on icky black firearms?

I mean for a Daniel Defense top of the line AR-15 the tax would top at at about $2,500,000. Someone is gonna be getting that cash.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 05, 2022 08:20 PM (bVYXr)

Here's an idea: a thousand-percent retroactive tax on any firearm actually used for an assault, as evidenced by a conviction in a court of law.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 05, 2022 08:49 PM (0o+9Z)

274 262 I have a Remington 20ga that I keep for home defense and yes, I have used it for home defense. I don't see any need for a 12ga in the home.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 05, 2022 08:43 PM (7cElg)

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To be fair, a 20 gauge BLAM through the bedroom door is pretty similar to a 12 gauge BLAM through the bedroom door.

Only the connoisseur would know the difference

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 05, 2022 08:49 PM (XG2Fi)

275 which is to say that the ATU seems to like it ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 05, 2022 08:49 PM (UGJLp)

276 Mister Scott, I have seen a couple of them in the pawn shop here when I go buy movies.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 05, 2022 08:50 PM (7cElg)

277 That thing is really cool. Its amazing what they can cram into that package.
Posted by: fd at June 05, 2022 08:22 PM (vrz2I)

Does it copy all your comms back to China, too?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 05, 2022 08:50 PM (0o+9Z)

278 Posted by: Marcus T at June 05, 2022 08:41 PM (cFL36)

Everyone I deployed with knew that the "cool kids" in SOF always got the "cool" toys first. I think that's been true ever since Vietnam, when the vets of that war I knew in back in '91 still wanted the CAR-15/XM177 instead of the M-16A1s we were issued.

Posted by: Ed L at June 05, 2022 08:51 PM (/lmRp)

279 262 ... "I have a Remington 20ga that I keep for home defense and yes, I have used it for home defense. I don't see any need for a 12ga in the home."

Ben Had,
Good for you! I've long thought that a shorter barrel 20 gauge pump loaded with #4 shot makes a great home defense weapon. Easier to control, not quite as loud, and less wall penetration (if that's a consideration). Deadly at household distances and it will still shoot through a door if needed. Fortunately, I haven't had to put my theory to the test.

Posted by: JTB at June 05, 2022 08:51 PM (7EjX1)

280 I don't see any need for a 12ga in the home.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 05, 2022 08:43 PM (7cElg)

20ga's are few and far between in the gun-buying realm at the moment, it seems. I've been eyeing one of the Shockwaves in 20ga, but they're in stock even less than the 12ga.

Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 08:51 PM (W0i8D)

281 Only the connoisseur would know the difference
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 05, 2022 08:49 PM (XG2Fi)

Or the guy standing BEHIND the guy trying to get through the door.

Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 08:53 PM (W0i8D)

282 I like shooting 12ga with 00 buck at paper targets. It's just cool to see like a magazine full of 9mm holes appear all at once.

Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 08:53 PM (9otr5)

283 Getting to be that time of the night. Anyone going to the MoMe want to get together Friday nite email me (link in nic

Weasel, once more ThanX! and we'll see most all of you in the vicinity of Arlington and several points N, S and W this weekend

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at June 05, 2022 08:54 PM (mUYId)

284 Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 08:53 PM (9otr5)
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Yep!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 08:55 PM (NfvGL)

285 Posted by: Ben Had at June 05, 2022 08:43 PM (7cElg)

Ben Had, have you considered short 12 gauge rounds?They do require adapters to use on most shotguns, but they do offer a much milder recoil and more rounds in the tube.

Posted by: Ed L at June 05, 2022 08:55 PM (/lmRp)

286 Posted by: McGyver at June 05, 2022 08:54 PM (mUYId)
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My pleasure, and looking forward to Saturday! 'Nite!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 08:56 PM (NfvGL)

287 Is there any kind of "do it yourself" or "maker" community centered around the GyroJet weapons system? Seems to me that if one could home-brew the projectiles, the actual guns would be fairly easy to make.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 05, 2022 08:57 PM (0o+9Z)

288 What a relaxing way to end a Sunday, thanks Weasel. Less than 5 months.

Posted by: Eromero at June 05, 2022 08:58 PM (0OP+5)

289 Posted by: Eromero at June 05, 2022 08:58 PM (0OP+5)
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I was just thinking the same thing, brother. My pleasure!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 08:59 PM (NfvGL)

290 & g'night everyone !

thanks for the thread, Weasel !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 05, 2022 09:00 PM (UGJLp)

291 Is there any kind of "do it yourself" or "maker" community centered around the GyroJet weapons system? Seems to me that if one could home-brew the projectiles, the actual guns would be fairly easy to make.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 05, 2022 08:57 PM (0o+9Z)

The guns pop up now and then on places like Gunbroker.com from time to time.

The problem is the ammo. Which is now old ammo.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 05, 2022 09:00 PM (R/m4+)

292 sock_rat_eez ,

Congrats on the radio. It's amazing what can be accomplished with 5 watts and a wire antenna. Now that I have an FT-817ND, still in the box, I want to get my code skills back to take full advantage of every milliwatt.

Posted by: JTB at June 05, 2022 09:01 PM (7EjX1)

293 the actual guns would be fairly easy to make.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 05, 2022 08:57 PM (0o+9Z)

I don't know about "easy", but I was contemplating how to build an electrically ignited Estes rocket engine launcher gun just the other day. Using an AR15 lower where the battery is kept in the mag well.

Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 09:01 PM (W0i8D)

294 71 I am a victim of caliber creep, now to include 5.7X28 in my magazine. So I started shopping around and have encountered an interesting thing. The best per round prices I find online are about -30% from the name vendors. But they don't take credit cards and they only sell bulk. Venmo, Paypal etc. The things that won't back you up on a rip off.

I think they are scams.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 05, 2022 07:23 PM (xn0Ie)

I've noticed the same thing with reloading components. No-name online "sellers" with much better availability and pricing than established vendors, but dodgy payment terms. I agree, they're probably scams, and to be avoided.

Posted by: a.moron at June 05, 2022 09:02 PM (F6Xpw)

295 Here's an idea: a thousand-percent retroactive tax on any firearm actually used for an assault, as evidenced by a conviction in a court of law.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

AOP: Great concept but not punitive enough to be used against honest citizens!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~every book has been totally rewritten ~ at June 05, 2022 09:02 PM (hOUT3)

296 Ed L, I have no problem with recoil. I have shot skeet, birds, coyotes and warned off a couple of would be thieves with this gun.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 05, 2022 09:03 PM (7cElg)

297 What a relaxing way to end a Sunday, thanks Weasel. Less than 5 months.
Posted by: Eromero

yes. thank you, Weasel.

looking forward to October, have the motorcycle ride-about authorized by Smash. will be seeing and greeting grey box friends in Texas.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at June 05, 2022 09:04 PM (UgAdJ)

298 Weasel, I would be interested in a thread how-to/talk-about changing the barrel on an AR. I know there are some folks here who have done it.

The question that goes along with that, for the knowledgeable here, is does a .223 Wylde actually make a difference if you're shooting .223 Rem AND 5.56?

This is so much more than just a thing that you do. It turns into a whole hobby, and creeps up into pasttime.

Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 09:06 PM (W0i8D)

299 My new 6" cross slide drill press vice came in. I cleaned the packing grease off of it and adjusted the guides and it's worth every penny of the $80 I spent on it. Now to take care of some minor machining projects.

Posted by: fd at June 05, 2022 09:06 PM (vrz2I)

300 Is there any kind of "do it yourself" or "maker" community centered around the GyroJet weapons system? Seems to me that if one could home-brew the projectiles, the actual guns would be fairly easy to make.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 05, 2022 08:57 PM (0o+9Z)

Those things were about as accurate as the old 57mm, 90mm and 106mm recoiless rifles the Army used during and after WWII.

I shot a 106mm one in Infantry school and it took the instructor 3 .50 cal tracer rounds to zero it on target before we could shoot. When we hit the target tank the round ricocheted and went about a mile up in the air, came down and started a fire on the range.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 05, 2022 09:07 PM (bVYXr)

301 The problem is the ammo. Which is now old ammo.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 05, 2022 09:00 PM (R/m4+)

Exactly. If one could reverse-engineer the manufacture of the ammo, perhaps the guns would be viable once more. My understanding, which may be faulty, is that the projectiles were hollow, loaded with smokeless powder as a propellant, with 3 or 4 canted holes around the rim of the base. Ignition was by a conventional primer in a conventional primer pocket.

But what were the projectiles made from, and how were they assembled and charged?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 05, 2022 09:08 PM (0o+9Z)

302 June looks so fetching tonight.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 05, 2022 09:10 PM (XG2Fi)

303
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 05, 2022 09:00 PM (UGJLp)
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Nite sock!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 09:10 PM (0IeYL)

304 Eromero, I just counted the days as well.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 05, 2022 09:11 PM (7cElg)

305 Weasel, thanks for the gun thread, always enjoyable and thought-provoking reading!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~every book has been totally rewritten ~ at June 05, 2022 09:11 PM (hOUT3)

306 Is there any kind of "do it yourself" or "maker" community centered around the GyroJet weapons system? Seems to me that if one could home-brew the projectiles, the actual guns would be fairly easy to make.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 05, 2022 08:57 PM (0o+9Z)

Yup. There are a few videos out there with a fella shooting the rifle on youboob but the ammo data still remains a mystery.

Sounds like a project some big brained person could figure out with a little luck.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 05, 2022 09:11 PM (R/m4+)

307 OK, 9:12ish thank you time!

Thank you!

As always, I absolutely appreciate each and every one of you!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 09:12 PM (0IeYL)

308 299 My new 6" cross slide drill press vice came in. I cleaned the packing grease off of it and adjusted the guides and it's worth every penny of the $80 I spent on it. Now to take care of some minor machining projects.

Posted by: fd at June 05, 2022 09:06 PM (vrz2I)

Can you share details on where you bought it?

Posted by: a.moron at June 05, 2022 09:13 PM (F6Xpw)

309
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~every book has been totally rewritten ~ at June 05, 2022 09:11 PM (hOUT3)
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Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 09:13 PM (0IeYL)

310 Posted by: Ben Had at June 05, 2022 09:03 PM (7cElg)

Apologies, I didn't know your background w/ shotgun shooting. My experience prior to the Benelli was less than pleasant. I shot a Remington 870 and a Winchester Model 12 trench gun a few times in the National Guard and found the recoil on both to be quite a handful, especially for someone who rarely fired shotguns before.

Posted by: Ed L at June 05, 2022 09:13 PM (/lmRp)

311 Xiegu X6100 - brand new, software-defined, QRP, obviously from china.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 05, 2022 07:46 PM

Got one myself. Fix yourself up an Anderson PowerPole connector and get a Bioenno battery and crank that thing up to 10 watts. It's a great backpacking radio.

Posted by: Bert G at June 05, 2022 09:13 PM (NtOm1)

312 Ben Had, have you considered short 12 gauge rounds?They do require adapters to use on most shotguns, but they do offer a much milder recoil and more rounds in the tube.
Posted by: Ed L at June 05, 2022 08:55 PM

That's the beauty of the Mossberg 590S, it's engineered to use the short rounds seamlessly. You can load all of them short, or mix 2.75" and 3" shells in.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 05, 2022 09:13 PM (a3Q+t)

313 Thank you for hosting, Weasel. See you next week at the MoMe!

Posted by: Ed L at June 05, 2022 09:14 PM (/lmRp)

314 thx, JTB, I am so crazy pumped about it it's just ... idunnowhat !

817 is such a cool radio too (full disclosure: I own two, love 'em !),
you are gonna have so much fun with it ! DC to daylight in one box, what's not to love about that ?

these days, though, I am going for mostly very portable ops in fairly remote locations and I really favor autotune for random wire rigs ... like the KX1 I have been using up till now ... kind of thing I can put up with (at worst) a slingshot ... the x6100 seems just amazing; just wish the firmware was open-source ... lol ...

if you can get on in 0530 - 0800 look for me on 20 qrp

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 05, 2022 09:15 PM (UGJLp)

315 "Can you share details on where you bought it?
Posted by: a.moron"

ebey

Posted by: fd at June 05, 2022 09:15 PM (vrz2I)

316 Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 09:06 PM (W0i8D)
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I've swapped barrels on bolt guns, but never built or worked on an upper. Let me think on that.

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 09:15 PM (0IeYL)

317 June looks so fetching tonight.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 05, 2022 09:10 PM

Pleased, no doubt, that Ward hasn't been hard on the Beaver for a while.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 05, 2022 09:15 PM (a3Q+t)

318 Sorry I'm late. Hanging out with oldest grandson tonight. He graduates high school tomorrow and then ships for Parris Island the following week. It's not the same Marine Corps that I knew and loved, but I hope that its current leadership will regain their sanity before it's too late. We will always need a Marine Corps, and we will always need good Marines. He's going to be one.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at June 05, 2022 09:15 PM (dVlo/)

319 Posted by: Ed L at June 05, 2022 09:14 PM (/lmRp)
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See you Saturday!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 09:16 PM (0IeYL)

320 Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 05, 2022 09:15 PM

Don't know if you've seen this yet: X6100 Armbian

https://youtu.be/fz551tZGX4Y

Posted by: Bert G at June 05, 2022 09:18 PM (NtOm1)

321 I like shooting 12ga with 00 buck at paper targets. It's just cool to see like a magazine full of 9mm holes appear all at once.
Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 08:53 PM

You'll blow your lung out, kid.

Posted by: Brandon and his A-Team handlers at June 05, 2022 09:19 PM (a3Q+t)

322 BertG - that's actually the plan for the summer !
look for me doing state parks on POTA & etc. ...

big LiPo battery (in fireproof container !) !

CW & SSB as seems useful

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 05, 2022 09:19 PM (UGJLp)

323 Ed L, no apologies needed.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 05, 2022 09:20 PM (7cElg)

324 Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at June 05, 2022 09:15 PM (dVlo/)

Well, I sure hope the service does him right, and I'm sure he will do it honor. Congrats on the graduation and the upcoming Boot.

Posted by: GWB at June 05, 2022 09:20 PM (W0i8D)

325 just want to thank everyone again for the advice and encouragement. I'm a slow learner, but I *am* listening!

Have fun at the MoMe!!

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 05, 2022 09:20 PM (pkAcY)

326 Sock, shoot me an email to bert dot g at moronhorde dot com.

Posted by: Bert G at June 05, 2022 09:21 PM (NtOm1)

327 BTW, for all you chuckleheads babbling about your 1911s and such, (if I may be so bold as to combine the Book and Gun threads), I read "The Guns of John Moses Browning" book last week.

Holy. Crap. I have not read that much, as fast, in ages. A great book, well written, on a cool topic, about a very unique man and family. I highly recommend it, even if you aren't a 1911, or Hi-Power or Ma Duece fan.

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at June 05, 2022 09:21 PM (C1NyB)

328 Posted by: screaming in digital at June 05, 2022 09:20 PM (pkAcY)
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Thoroughly delighted to have you here!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 09:22 PM (0IeYL)

329 oh.
my.

thx BertG !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 05, 2022 09:22 PM (UGJLp)

330 ok, bertG, will do

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 05, 2022 09:23 PM (UGJLp)

331 If you look on ebey for those vices you will see the same vice from $80-$200. All of them in that price range are made in China. If you want a really nice Wilton it will run about $400, but this one suits my purposes just fine.

Posted by: fd at June 05, 2022 09:24 PM (vrz2I)

332 240 232 Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 08:26 PM (0IeYL)

The Ithaca 37 is probably my favorite pump gun especially the older ones.

I also am interested in configuring eithert an Auto5 or Rem11 into the WW1 "Russia" Polar Expedition security configuration as a project.

Posted by: sven at June 05, 2022 08:29 PM (Lzpvj)

One reason the Soviets disliked and distrusted us and the Brits was because we sent troops to Murmansk and Vladivostok in 1918 and/or 1919 to help the White Russian forces (that's a huge simplification of a complex situation and time). The Japanese also sent troops to Vladivostok. Not much harm there - the Russians of all political stripes hated the Japanese because of the 1904-05 war. A very rarely mentioned or written about slice of history.

Posted by: crusader at June 05, 2022 09:24 PM (AMIL/)

333 318 Sorry I'm late. Hanging out with oldest grandson tonight. He graduates high school tomorrow and then ships for Parris Island the following week. It's not the same Marine Corps that I knew and loved, but I hope that its current leadership will regain their sanity before it's too late. We will always need a Marine Corps, and we will always need good Marines. He's going to be one.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen

Semper Fi, dad.

You have an awesome kid there. What does he want as his MOS?

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 05, 2022 09:24 PM (U2p+3)

334 I just looked on the goggle machine and apparently the gyrojets used solid propellant like an Estes rocket. They machined it and had some metal case with nozzles to impart spin.

Seems like someone could recreate the process but not easy or cheap.

Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 09:26 PM (9otr5)

335 WEasel, Thank you again for everything and the NoVaMoMe is going to spectacular .

Posted by: Ben Had at June 05, 2022 09:26 PM (7cElg)

336 screaming in digital,
Stop selling yourself short.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 05, 2022 09:26 PM (U2p+3)

337 334 I just looked on the goggle machine and apparently the gyrojets used solid propellant like an Estes rocket. They machined it and had some metal case with nozzles to impart spin.

Seems like someone could recreate the process but not easy or cheap.

Posted by: blaster at June 05, 2022 09:26 PM (9otr5)

Send a proposal to Elon Musk. What have you got to lose? Maybe he's a gun nut.

Posted by: crusader at June 05, 2022 09:27 PM (AMIL/)

338 331 If you look on ebey for those vices you will see the same vice from $80-$200. All of them in that price range are made in China. If you want a really nice Wilton it will run about $400, but this one suits my purposes just fine.

Posted by: fd at June 05, 2022 09:24 PM (vrz2I)

Harbor Freight has (or had) one, but Harbor Freight. Thanks, I'll check EBay.

Posted by: a.moron at June 05, 2022 09:27 PM (F6Xpw)

339 Nurse, 0311, natch!

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at June 05, 2022 09:28 PM (dVlo/)

340 Posted by: Ben Had at June 05, 2022 09:26 PM (7cElg)
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Thank you and thanks for the generous donation buying everyone their first raffle ticket!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 09:28 PM (0IeYL)

341 Back, had to pop out for Sunday dinner with fam.
Life is good.

Posted by: RI Red at June 05, 2022 09:29 PM (xtg8y)

342 I wouldn't be surprised if it's exactly the same vice at Harbor Freight.

Posted by: fd at June 05, 2022 09:29 PM (vrz2I)

343 Slightly OT possibly, from catching up on earlier threads, and through the months and years. The PNW Mo Me and the NVA Mo Me coming up.
Does everyone waddle away from those things???

Posted by: From about that time at June 05, 2022 09:29 PM (4780s)

344 Does everyone waddle away from those things???
Posted by: From about that time at June 05, 2022 09:29 PM (4780s)
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Some waddle, while others positively prance!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 09:33 PM (0IeYL)

345 Does everyone waddle away from those things???
Posted by: From about that time at June 05, 2022 09:29 PM (4780s)
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Some waddle, while others positively prance!
Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 09:33 PM (0IeYL)

But no one flounces away!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~every book has been totally rewritten ~ at June 05, 2022 09:34 PM (hOUT3)

346 There is a Hellcat pro now, that holds 15. I am hoping I can buy the plastic grip and increase the handling of my regular Hellcat.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 05, 2022 09:35 PM (ybIRR)

347 Here is an excellent video on some fellas shooting and going over the GyroJet Carbine and Pistol.

https://tinyurl.com/2jnabt9c

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 05, 2022 09:35 PM (R/m4+)

348 email on the way, BertG

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 05, 2022 09:39 PM (UGJLp)

349 Nurse, 0311, natch!
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at June 05, 2022 09:28 PM (dVlo/)

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Semper Fi, Mac

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 05, 2022 09:40 PM (u73oe)

350 & now rly g'nite !

73 !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 05, 2022 09:40 PM (UGJLp)

351 " ... Send a proposal to Elon Musk. What have you got to lose? Maybe he's a gun nut.

Posted by: crusader at June 05, 2022 09:27 PM (AMIL/)"

GyroJets would be excellent in orbit; minimal recoil to throw you off.
he really oughta.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 05, 2022 09:43 PM (UGJLp)

352 For changing AR barrels one tool that's really nice to have is a barrel rod. You clamp one end in your vice and slide your upper over the other end and it locks into your barrel extension. Then you can crank on your barrel nut without torquing on your aluminum upper, torque specs are 35-85 ft pounds so some are on pretty tight. You'll need an AR wrench for a A2 style handguard or a 1"-1 1/4" wrench for free floating hand guard. Pull your gas block, leaving the gas tube attached for easier re-installation. Have fun!

Posted by: ck at June 05, 2022 09:44 PM (iBg56)

353 I shot a 106mm one in Infantry school and it took the instructor 3 .50 cal tracer rounds to zero it on target before we could shoot. When we hit the target tank the round ricocheted and went about a mile up in the air, came down and started a fire on the range.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 05, 2022 09:07 PM (bVYXr)

I only got to shoot the spotter rounds. I did get to shoot a LAW. Once was enough. Did hit a hulk about 100m away.

Posted by: Javems at June 05, 2022 09:50 PM (/wRdn)

354 332 Posted by: crusader at June 05, 2022 09:24 PM (AMIL/)

How dare the west try to keep the Russians in the fight, and thwart the c*cksuckers who had declared war on all existing governments worldwide?

//Your Kid's College History teacher

but yeah a lot of problems would have been solved more efficiently had there not been a lot of commie symps in a lot of allied high commands even then.

General Graves took a thankless task and made it a useless one.

Posted by: sven at June 05, 2022 09:51 PM (Lzpvj)

355 It's 7PM PCT as I type this. 78 years ago this evening, a bunch of young men were jumping out of perfectly good airplaines to liberate Europe.

Posted by: jeff at June 05, 2022 09:52 PM (pvt9V)

356 A late hello to the Horde, and thanks to Weasel for another excellent thread! Anyone have experience / opinions on the IWI Jericho in 45 ACP? It's recently become a focus of my googling...

Posted by: Matthew Kant Cipher at June 05, 2022 09:54 PM (kb51C)

357 whig not here tonight.

Posted by: Javems at June 05, 2022 09:55 PM (/wRdn)

358 Just arrived to thread after long trip. Thx weasel and contributors this week.

Posted by: whig at June 05, 2022 09:55 PM (Q6IzD)

359 Ha!

Posted by: Javems at June 05, 2022 09:56 PM (/wRdn)

360 https://tinyurl.com/2jnabt9c
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 05, 2022 09:35 PM (R/m4+)

Thanks! That was interesting. The closed captions sure could have used some editing, LOL.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 05, 2022 09:57 PM (QvxSh)

361 Regarding these cross vice things. No clue what you're going to do with them, but I found them to be less than optimal. One of the shops i work out of had one of those on a decent size floor model drill press that they tried to make small parts on for the harleys. I'm talking little shit, like little aluminum brackets, or modifying certain parts for fit and it was a nightmare. Chatter, vibrations out the wazooo, etc. By the time it was adjusted to where there wasn't much deflection you almost had to be hercules to move it. I made them get a real one eventually, and then it was game on. Yeah, I'm a tad biased from working on actual milling machines, but I was horrified by the performance of the cross vices. The only thing I can say is very...very tiny bites, and use super sharp end mills, and forget anything over mild steel. What it was actually good for was accurate drilling. Now, if I can only get them to get a good lathe they can stop buying stupid axle spacers that are never the right size. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 05, 2022 10:01 PM (VwHCD)

362 Javems, you have an excellent sense of timing comments

Posted by: whig at June 05, 2022 10:01 PM (Q6IzD)

363 OK, y'all, ONT is up!

Thank you for being here and enjoy the rest of your evening. Hope to see you all next Sunday!

Posted by: Weasel at June 05, 2022 10:02 PM (0IeYL)

364 362 Javems, you have an excellent sense of timing comments

Posted by: whig at June 05, 2022 10:01 PM (Q6IzD)

Just hope people don't get the idea that I can summon people from the ether.

Posted by: Javems at June 05, 2022 10:06 PM (/wRdn)

365 Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 05, 2022 10:01 PM (VwHCD)
And only cut in the conventional direction, do not climb cut

Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at June 05, 2022 10:11 PM (WF/xn)

366 The 1911 is its own tool box.
https://sightm1911.com/lib/tech/toolbox.htm

Posted by: waepnedmann at June 05, 2022 10:36 PM (jQNux)

367 Here in Commierado the dems killed state preemption on gun laws. They knew it would lead to a disjointed patchwork of local laws.

The lib bastions of Boulder and Denver are taking the lead. Now local suburbs are playing me-too.

https://tinyurl.com/2p9f994x

Posted by: ChupaMe at June 06, 2022 12:00 AM (IcUny)

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