Gun Thread: Day Before Memorial Day Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Tomorrow is Memorial Day. Although generally associated with the unofficial beginning of summer, it's true meaning is much more important. It is the day we remember those who have died serving in our nation's military. Please take a moment to stop and reflect on the incredible sacrifice these men and women have made for us all. Thank you.

I have another little mini-secret mission next week, however this time it should not interfere with the Gun Thread. Once this one is concluded I can resume a life of leisure and gentlemanly organic tree farming. All this secret mission'n and MoMe'n will plumb tucker a feller out! Speaking of MoMes...

The The 2022 NoVaMoMe is on Saturday, June 11th which is fast approaching, but there is still time for you to sign up. If you are interested in attending, please register by midnight May 31, 2022. For the calendar challenged, that's in two days. I don't care how big of a weirdo you are in real life, just come to the damn thing and meet some really very nice people. See below for details and registration info!

Other Moron gatherings are on the calendar in Washington, Alaska and Texas. Holy Shitballs! It's a dang MoMe-palooza! Take a peek at the main page left sidebar, find a MoMe near you, and sign up to attend one. You won't regret it!

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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Uvalde, TX
Let's talk about the school massacre in Uvalde, TX and specifically the issue of the police response. I think we all agree the shooter was a piece of shit. I hesitate to even bring any of this up because it's being beaten to death with often wild speculation in the media and elsewhere, but here goes.

The left, predictably, is politicizing the issue justifying greater gun control, a reaction that at least to me is hardly surprising. Despicable? Yes. Surprising? No. It's also yet another enormous distraction from the slow-motion train wreck of the Biden presidency, but I digress. For both reasons I believe it's safe to say the left will drag this out to get every bit of mileage from it they can. Assholes.

Allow me to preface my remaining comments on the matter by saying I have never been in combat or in any sort of self-defense life-or-death situation, and can only speculate on what my reaction would be. I might very well wet my pants and hightail it in the other direction. I absolutely believe it's the sort of thing you can only know if you have been in that unfortunate and grim situation.

My thoughts?

I simply do not understand how anyone stands aside when something like a mass shooting is taking place. I don't care if you are waiting on permission to engage from the on-scene commander, for reinforcements to arrive, or for the goddam Tooth Fairy. The need to act was very real and very immediate, and anyone with anything more substantial than a pair of toenail clippers should have positively waded into the situation in an effort to stop it. Period. I am generally not the brightest guy in the room, but I'd like be able to look at myself in the mirror the next day.

I can only hope there is a very thoughtful and thorough examination of the facts and circumstances surrounding this massacre and the law enforcement response, and anyone in authority who made bad decisions at the time is held accountable. I am old enough to believe the police exist to, among other things, stop maniacs in the process of committing a slaughter. To my way of thinking, that's part of the deal when you pin on a badge and start demanding respect from the citizenry. In the extreme, the most important thing is not officer safety, especially in a situation as grave as this one. That may be harsh, but that is the way I feel. You don't want to do it? Fine. Just get the hell out of my way.

Having said that with sufficient internet bravado, I hope a calm and rational investigation is conducted and any needed improvements to law enforcement operating philosophy and methodology are the result. We're a long, long way from having answers to some very legitimate questions, and this deserves every ounce of dispassionate examination possible. A lot of innocent people have died and the families of the victims and survivors have had their lives changed forever. Hopefully some lessons will be learned.

And here is an alternate point I haven't heard much about, especially in the media. Is it just possible we're beginning to see the police hesitate in a situation that might otherwise demand instant action as a result of the left's zeal for prosecuting law enforcement officers? Also something to think about.

So what do you think? Before you answer, please remember none of us were there and while details are beginning to emerge, this is all largely still speculation. Please be courteous and respectful in your comments. Thanks.

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First up, our pal NZ Frank shares a couple of photos and a great story.

Two pics for you, the latest acquisition to the MG collection, the F.N. Model D, BAR in .30-06 made for the Belgium army with some of its accessories, sitting next to its grandchild the MAG58 GPMG.
The AK47 has some interesting provenance behind its beat up appearance, it is a Vietnam war capture rifle taken off the previous owner a Viet Cong member in the Nui Dat area of South Vietnam in 1968.
Victor Coy, 1RNZIR had a few contacts with Viet Cong elements on a 3 week patrol and after one ambush during re-org post contact, one dead VC with his rifle was cleared. As the rifle has seen a lot of hard use in the bush and the previous owner had bleed all over the rifle before it was carried around for a few weeks it externally looks to be in very poor and rusted condition but internally was very good with a nice bore. It is a Chinese made AK47, full auto with the solid forged receiver, missing its flip out bayonet and cleaning rod which was probably taken off by the Viet Cong. The rifle was taken out by Victor Coy and eventually made its way to NZ.

Very nice, NZ Frank! Thank you!!

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Next up our pal and great dad Mathew Kant Cipher shares the results from a couple of range trips, with one where he takes his son.

Decided I'd submit a range report as a novice shooter who is very much a work in progress. The first picture was from my prior trip to the range in early April. For each of the 4" circles, I shot one magazine as I moved the target away and then back toward me (distances noted). As you can see, I was pretty consistently landing shots to the left of target.

Since then, this really cool guy (?? - W) posted a shot correction diagram on his gun thread, which encouraged me to reposition my trigger finger a bit. The second picture shows results of today's trip to the range. My shots are on the right side, whereas the left side shows my younger son's first time shooting a handgun. We obviously both have lots of room to improve, but the tips I've picked up from you and the Horde are surely helpful. FWIW, we were shooting a Shadow MR920 (9mm) which is my first/only handgun. I've only had it about 9 months, but it has inspired a growing wish list for future acquisitions. Coincidentally, I already own a canoe....

Excellent report and great shooting MKC! I really love to hear stories where people take their chirrun' to the range. Great job!

P.S. Stay out of the canoe!

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Next, our pal Bama Bubba has been to the range to try something we've discussed before, point shooting.

Decided to try point shooting, so I bought one of those laser cartridges to fit my EDC handgun, a 45ACP Taurus. Practiced the following drill around the room for about 30 minutes or so: Pick up the pistol from my lap, turn off safety, and "shoot" the bobble head on the shelf. Repeat, but this time "shoot" the doorknob. Didn't seem all that difficult, so - range trip! Ok, I didn't really need an excuse - I'm retired and I can. Took a 22 and the 45. Set up the target at 30 feet and fired off a few shots using the 22. Not bad. Pulled out the 45 and shot all 11 rounds (circled on target) in 2 shot groups - draw from holster, turn off safety, fire two quick shots from hip area. Lather, rinse, repeat. Had one that would have been a probable miss up around the shoulder, one that I'll call a disabling shot (made ME cringe!), and the rest - I'll take them.
No awards for this outing, but for just a tiny bit of practice, it just doesn't seem that difficult. I'll keep working at this and would recommend any and all shooters give it a try. You might surprise yourself!

Nice shooting and thanks, Bama Bubba! I really encourage everyone to practice various shooting styles if you are able to do so. By various styles, I am referring to methods such as point shooting, weak hand/strong hand, and shooting with movement. I realize many ranges do not allow this sort of practice, but you should take any opportunity you do get to see what it's about.

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Next up, our pal Lurker scottst shares his recent range trip.

I had a wedding to attend that's a long drive from my house this afternoon, so I decided to spend two nights in the recommended hotel and visit a new range this morning before the ceremony.
This is a fancy club, has to be at least 20 acres and they do trap shooting, a tournament was happening when I got there, so I gawked for a while before going to the rifle and pistol range. The good news is they are open to the public on Saturday mornings and everyone is so nice it's like they want you to join the club or something. There's a bbq area and all that.
I just got a Sig Sauer P229 .40S&W because a guy I know in a pawnshop told me it was great and he is right. I'm old enough to remember the Miami shootout which is responsible for the creation of this round and this pistol.
The P229 was carried by law enforcement and the Coast Guard and I'm pretty sure this pistol was a service issue, it has seen a lot of rounds, but it's in good shape. Came with original box and several magazines.
Anyway I was doing lousy at the range on targets and this range has steel too... Also lousy. Until I was complaining to a Range guy and he said if it's a new pistol to me, that I should go slower, use the range provided optics to judge every round and start from seated position, at the bench using the blocks and beanbags this range also provides.
After I had spent an hour damaging my confidence, his suggestions brought me back to better than new in about 2 clips. Walk before you run!

Thanks Lurker scottst! Absolutely go slow at first, whether shooting a new-to-you gun or practicing a new drill. Incidentally, the Sig Sauer P229 in .40S&W was the very first gun in the WeaselCollection. No fooling! The first gun I ever purchased. Here are a couple of pics. I need to dust it off and shoot it!

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There has been a fair amount of discussion regarding the U.S. Military's adoption of the M5 rifle. Here is a video with some hombres discussing the matter.

What do you think? Good idea or a solution in search of a problem? Are the ballistics of the 6.8x51mm generally going to be used to their full potential?

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Gun Basics 101
This week the She Equips Herself gal goes to the range to discuss guns for shooters who might not have strong hands.

And here is the SEH dude with some ideas on selecting the right gun for you.

I hope these are helpful for those of you trying to find a good fit!

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Cigar of the Week

Q: Do ette's always go to the front of the line in the Gun Thread?
A: Why yes! Yes they do!

Our pal and delightful 'ette All Hail Eris sends in a recommendation she received from our other pal (and non-'ette) Hogmartin

I was looking for a smoove cigarillo for porch puffing, and Hogmartin suggested the Acid Blondie Petit Corona. He described it as "the cigar equivalent of one of those little hyper sweet canned coffees from Korea or Japan, or maybe Starbucks double shots." I immediately went to my local tobaccomonger's shoppe and purchased some. I agree! Definitely hints of vanilla and clove, but not cloying. If you're not a pretentious cigar twit you might enjoy these little beauties! I may bring some to the TexMoMee.

Thanks Eris! Smoke 'em in good health!

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Cigar vixen, continues in Nicaragua and takes us on a tour of the Rocky Patel factory.

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ATTENTION NoVaMoMe 2022!!

The social and cultural event of the season, NoVaMoMe 2022 is on the calendar! That's right, you people have a chance to meet many of your online pals on Saturday, June 11th beginning at 1pm until dark, or such time as it gets busted up by the cops. We have an exciting location in the Northern Virginia area which allows extended time for visiting. Admission is $25 which includes food and soft drinks, with a cash bar. This year the menu is BBQ chicken and pork with the usual sides and cookies for dessert. Appetizers begin just after 1pm and dinner is 3pm. Want to be one of the cool kids? Just send an email to novamome at protonmail dot cee oh emm, pass the rigorous screening process to obtain registration details, then sign up to attend! Easy-Peasy!

Each year, I spend a fair amount of time haranguing people to come to a MoMe. Any MoMe! I cannot overemphasize how much fun these things are, and how much we want YOU to come! We plan for the crowd in general but also consider the needs of the introvert lurkers and provide plenty of potted plants for those so inclined to hide behind. All kidding aside, you are completely welcome to slink-in, eat, drink and people-watch, and then slink-out. It is a 100% zero pressure event. If you can handle a backyard picnic, you can definitely handle this.

Win a Dream Date with Weasel!
Back by tepid demand, a separate raffle for the Gun Thread gift basket will be held. This fabulous prize includes an entire day of shooting and personalized one-on-one handgun & rifle coaching and instruction at Weasel Acres on a mutually agreeable date with yours truly. The lucky winner will be able to not only bring and shoot their own weapons, but also try out a variety of WeaselWeapons using WeaselAmmo!

We will end the day with dinner at a good Mexican place in nearby Appomattox. Pretty much a dream date with Weasel! The winner will be responsible for their travel to and from Central Virginia, hence the separate drawing.

Don't be a pathetic girly-man loser, register today!

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Link-O-Rama

I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
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Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop

***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal WTM

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Please note the new and improved protonmail account gunthread at protonmail dot com. An informal Gun Thread archive can be found HERE. Future expansion plans are in the works for the site Weasel Gun Thread. If you have a question you would like to ask Gun Thread Staff offline, just send us a note and we'll do our best to answer. If you care to share the story of your favorite firearm, send a picture with your nic and tell us what you sadly lost in the tragic canoe accident. If you would like to remain completely anonymous, just say so. Lurkers are always welcome!

That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Pew! Pew!

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 07:00 PM (f4IaF)

2 Fire away

Posted by: Skip at May 29, 2022 07:00 PM (2JoB8)

3 Yea! Gun Thread.

Thanks Weasel!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 29, 2022 07:01 PM (JzBU4)

4 Bought ammo today on sale.
My goodness when was the last time that happened.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at May 29, 2022 07:06 PM (qpukd)

5 I will read no Gun Thread before its time.

It's time.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2022 07:07 PM (a3Q+t)

6 Allied losses D-Day around 10,000 with about 4,500 dead. What men they were.

Posted by: Eromero at May 29, 2022 07:08 PM (0OP+5)

7 I'm right handed and left eye dominant so point shooting is not straightforward for me. I have to point to the right of the target . How far right depends on my distance. The farther away the target the farther right I have to point, I've practiced enough though that it's second nature.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 29, 2022 07:08 PM (CfLd+)

8 "The need to act was very real and very immediate"
While I agree with this, Weasel, there is something important to consider: Police (and military) operate on protocols. "In this situation, do X; in that situation, do Y."

In the military you ALWAYS rush a close ambush. A far ambush you pull back as necessary and maneuver to flank, then rush. You do this because combat is a crappy time for original thinking. We talk about a similar thing with civilian defensive shooting - when the bovine excrement hits the rotary impeller you will revert to training and instinct, so you train, train, TRAIN.

Well, it seems someone on site chose the wrong *protocol* and it changes the way they handle things. Instead of "active shooter" - because he had locked himself in a single room - they went with "barricaded suspect". You're no longer rushing in, guns blazing, in that situation. And, by all appearances he WAS a "barricaded suspect" - except there were wounded kids in that room, bleeding out, and "barricaded suspect" doesn't take that into account. (There were also some still alive, who were not being held as hostages.)
1/2

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 07:09 PM (f4IaF)

9 Greetings Horde! Happy Memorial Day weekend, and much gratitude to all the 'rons who served.

Posted by: Matthew Kant Cipher at May 29, 2022 07:10 PM (kb51C)

10 Used to work with a welder who chain smoked those.

Posted by: @TheRealWilliamHayes at May 29, 2022 07:10 PM (FIJ+3)

11 "Is it just possible we're beginning to see the police hesitate in a situation that might otherwise demand instant action as a result of the left's zeal for prosecuting law enforcement officers?"

More like probable.

Posted by: fd at May 29, 2022 07:10 PM (vrz2I)

12 Question: is the M16 fully automatic or are different models capable of only single and triple shot.

Posted by: Ciampino at May 29, 2022 07:11 PM (qfLjt)

13 Watching the G-5 video, wondering costs also, buy then they love to throw money at defense contractors

Posted by: Skip at May 29, 2022 07:11 PM (2JoB8)

14 Hogmartin, you rascal. Let's plan a cigar/range night at our indoor range with the ladies.

Posted by: Eromero at May 29, 2022 07:11 PM (0OP+5)

15 And here is an alternate point I haven't heard much about, especially in the media. Is it just possible we're beginning to see the police hesitate in a situation that might otherwise demand instant action as a result of the left's zeal for prosecuting law enforcement officers?

*touches nose*

There rarely seems to be punishment from following orders and doing nothing.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 29, 2022 07:11 PM (yQpMk)

16 Ola, ca va? Off to read contentomundo.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 07:12 PM (bgJ0E)

17 Buckle up, guys. There will be a full-court press for gun control measures, and my bet is that the GOPe will not stand against it. Between this and the SCOTUS decision on abortion coming out, this summer is going to be HOT. Remember Remus' Rule: Avoid crowds.

Sometimes, you know, we can be our own worst enemies. Did anyone see the cover of the last American Rifleman, with the short barrel, full tactical bullpup rifle being touted as the coolest thing around?

Sorry to be a downer. I'm depressed at what has gone on over the last decade or so.

Posted by: The Neon Madman at May 29, 2022 07:12 PM (KSXRc)

18 Evening everyone.

I do wonder, with the way New Zealand went in on gun "control" / confiscation, is NZ Frank worried about his collection that is destined to be traveling via canoe soon?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 29, 2022 07:13 PM (fe7in)

19 When will we have a Missouri Moron Meetup? MoMoMeet? I live in the St. Louis suburbs so could be awkward if I host in my backyard but willing to give it a shot…

Posted by: Anzac at May 29, 2022 07:13 PM (Pcgiw)

20 Question: is the M16 fully automatic or are different models capable of only single and triple shot.
Posted by: Ciampino at May 29, 2022 07:11 PM

IIRC, the M-16 and M-16A1 were full auto; the M-16A2 replaced full-auto with a 3-round burst.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2022 07:14 PM (a3Q+t)

21 2/2
I'm not absolving anyone, but it needs to be pointed out and considered how much rode on that single decision.

I also want to point out that stopping people from rushing in where they might get killed IS part of a police officer's job at a scene like that. Firefighters will do the same thing to you if you want to run into a burning building to save your kid. It's got to be one of the hardest parts of those jobs.

Lastly, it took someone who basically said "F the protocols!" to actually drive in and re-assess the situation. A great many heroes have been made in wars from that very act - "I don't care what the rules say, I'm doing X!" Of course, a lot of heroes get their status posthumously (*nods to Memorial Day*).

Solutions? They exist. But they're not the sort the Safetyists or the hedonists like.
/serious sad stuff

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 07:14 PM (f4IaF)

22 Is NZ Frank online now?

I see it's 11:15 a.m. in Auckland now; and I have a minor question.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at May 29, 2022 07:15 PM (yikp0)

23 Please recommend a scope for a bone stock Smith M&P 5.56 AR. It has the stock iron sights, the flip rear, not the carry handle.

Don't wanna take off the front post, so I'll be co-witnessing.

1-4 mag. Prefer a product that includes the mount.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 29, 2022 07:15 PM (KiBMU)

24 Solutions? They exist.

We should ban mass murder.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 29, 2022 07:15 PM (yQpMk)

25 Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 29, 2022 07:15 PM (KiBMU)
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I like the Trijicon ACOG.

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 07:16 PM (0IeYL)

26 I will add as an expat kiwi in America, my fellow hobbits are welcome to store their gun collections in my vault. Condolences on their tragic loss on the waka voyage across the pacific

Posted by: Anzac at May 29, 2022 07:17 PM (Pcgiw)

27 I posted on the hobby thread yesterday that I spent some time at Collectors Firearms on Saturday and was like a diabetic kid in a candy store. Lots of hard to find used rifles and pistols and they are priced to reflect that. May return to buy a used Glock 21 4th Gen.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 29, 2022 07:17 PM (CfLd+)

28 On the new SIG, is the 6.8mm that much lighter or more accurate than just standardizing the AR10 as a milspec and using .308?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 29, 2022 07:17 PM (yQpMk)

29 Hello, Weasel and horde!

Posted by: Ed L at May 29, 2022 07:18 PM (/lmRp)

30 I like the Trijicon ACOG.
Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 07:16 PM (0IeYL)

and EOTechs, if you don't have astigmatism or cataracts.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 29, 2022 07:18 PM (yQpMk)

31 Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 29, 2022 07:17 PM (CfLd+)
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I may have single handedly financed their move to the new location!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 07:19 PM (0IeYL)

32 I do wonder, with the way New Zealand went in on gun "control" / confiscation, is NZ Frank worried about his collection that is destined to be traveling via canoe soon?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 29, 2022 07:13 PM

New Zealand's Prime Minister was over her the week giving an anti-gun commencement speech at some university.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2022 07:19 PM (a3Q+t)

33 #16 Should have read the comments first!!!

From your email to the Gun Thread I was wondering if NZ only has the one Regular infantry regiment, like the Aussies, but with multiple battalions? Or do you have several differently-named regiments like us and the Brits?

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at May 29, 2022 07:19 PM (yikp0)

34 17 Posted by: The Neon Madman at May 29, 2022 07:12 PM

I just submitted all the documents required to renew my NYC Premise License for my handgun. Also paid a $340 non refundable fee. This was the day after the Uvalde massacre.

Believe me, I wonder if the events might effect the outcome of my renewal.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 29, 2022 07:19 PM (fe7in)

35 Evening.

Wait, where did the food thread go?

*Looks around*

That's not a sammich.

Posted by: Robert at May 29, 2022 07:19 PM (rZKM4)

36 Midway USA had a flash sale of M1 Carbine WWII vintage magazines this past Friday. Various manufacturers and grades, all the way up to new in the original paper - $99.00 a pop for those bad boys. I bought a couple of Grade 3 Rockolas, just to have, for $24. Couldn't see spending nearly a hundred bucks for a magazine that I'd never shoot from.

Midway sold out in less than 30 minutes.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at May 29, 2022 07:19 PM (dVlo/)

37 On the new SIG, is the 6.8mm that much lighter or more accurate than just standardizing the AR10 as a milspec and using .308?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 29, 2022 07:17 PM (yQpMk)

I've been saying they should have just gone to the AR 10. Especially since polymer case ammo is just about perfected.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 29, 2022 07:20 PM (CfLd+)

38 @Mathew Kant Cipher, good to see folks working on improvement and not JUST the fun aspect. Might I suggest (I'm about to implement this) a pistol rest as part of your gear, and practice working on some technique by removing other issues (like shaky arms or breathing issues) from the equation?

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 07:20 PM (f4IaF)

39 21
Doesn't work for me. They had to know that some were only wounded and probably bleeding out so haste was the only plausible action.

Also if they claim that they had no obligation to protect anyone, per USSC, then they had no right to prevent parents from going in.

Posted by: Ciampino at May 29, 2022 07:21 PM (qfLjt)

40 22 Is NZ Frank online now?

I see it's 11:15 a.m. in Auckland now; and I have a minor question.
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at May 29, 2022 07:15 PM (yikp0)

How can I help?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 07:21 PM (bgJ0E)

41 Got an email from gun buyer.com, they have a Rossi 16 inch stainless 45 colt for sale for $799. I have the .357 magnum in stainless and it is a beautiful gun and a sweet shooter. I really want to get a companion in 45 colt for it.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 29, 2022 07:21 PM (bVYXr)

42 I think a good question on CQB sights is how much banging around will occur. The EOTechs and the Trijicons are stout beasts that can take a licking. And you pay for that. $500 for the former and $1K for the latter.

A Romeo5 can be had for under $100 delivered but won't take a beating.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 29, 2022 07:21 PM (yQpMk)

43 "Incidentally, the Sig Sauer P229 in .40S&W was the very first gun in the WeaselCollection. No fooling!"

A P229 with a rail is the first gun you bought? You began buying guns 25 years ago or less? Man, with all the WeaselGuns you show us week after week I expected you had been collecting for at least 35 years, probably more. But since you are only 29 years old, that is impossible.

Posted by: I like the P229 at May 29, 2022 07:22 PM (K1GF/)

44 "Lather, rinse, repeat."
Shouldn't that be "LEATHER, Rinse, Repeat" where handguns are concerned?

And nice shooting, Bubba.

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 07:22 PM (f4IaF)

45 Weasel,
After reading the content except the big words, I'd inquire regarding the transmission of the chicken bowl recipe and input on defense cartridges for handguns to fend off would be chicken bowl raiders.

Posted by: Pete Bog at May 29, 2022 07:22 PM (Jzz++)

46 Hiya horde!

Posted by: Norman Spiny at May 29, 2022 07:23 PM (ZcOMc)

47 Posted by: I like the P229 at May 29, 2022 07:22 PM (K1GF/)
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Yep, that's about right!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 07:24 PM (0IeYL)

48 Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at May 29, 2022 07:19 PM (dVlo/)

Should have ordered from some vendor on the internet but I wanted them now. I bought two magazines at Collectors for my newly purchased Glock 42 .
$40 each.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 29, 2022 07:24 PM (CfLd+)

49 Weasel,
After reading the content except the big words, I'd inquire regarding the transmission of the chicken bowl recipe and input on defense cartridges for handguns to fend off would be chicken bowl raiders.
Posted by: Pete Bog at May 29, 2022 07:22 PM

Has Weasel, in his magnanimity, abjured from the prohibition of the chicken bowl recipe stipulated in the most chronologically-recent Food Thread?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2022 07:25 PM (a3Q+t)

50 @Weasel (or anyone else) I need a scope recommendation for a Springfield M1A, trying to run as a mid range “battle rifle”. I swapped out the wood stock to synthetic but need to figure out the scope and mount

Posted by: Anzac at May 29, 2022 07:25 PM (Pcgiw)

51 Ahhhh
Gun thread.
Now I can truly enjoy today's treat...an old fashioned. (It's a work in progress.)

And here is an alternate point I haven't heard much about, especially in the media. Is it just possible we're beginning to see the police hesitate in a situation that might otherwise demand instant action as a result of the left's zeal for prosecuting law enforcement officers?

This. In a time when leadership and audacity were needed.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 29, 2022 07:25 PM (anj39)

52 I'm putting that last pic on a poster and pasting on the front of the gun closet.

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 07:26 PM (f4IaF)

53 GWB makes some very good points. I can't help but get angry at what happened but it's rational thinking such as that that helps keep one grounded.

That said the Police Chief ought to resign. That was a really bad call.

And the teacher what left that door open to get her phone should probably find a new job somewhere else. Like Timbuktu, perhaps.

Posted by: Robert at May 29, 2022 07:26 PM (dfrzq)

54 A total of 38 people were shot, 21 having been slain. A full accounting of malfeasance and firings have to happen. The teacher that propped that door open had better think about moving to another country.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 29, 2022 07:26 PM (m07mU)

55 I bought the Glock 42 from Academy which is 100 yards from Collectors. The price at Academy is 20% cheaper at least.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 29, 2022 07:26 PM (CfLd+)

56 The police and school failure in Uvalde, and Broward, and nearly every other similar situation, started much earlier. It was a failure to fill the "school to prison pipeline". Every one of these yutes was a "known wolf", but no one ever gave their crimes any consequences. Some people are simply evil and beyond redemption.

Posted by: cool breeze at May 29, 2022 07:27 PM (UGKMd)

57 #40 How can I help?

From your email to the Gun Thread I was wondering if NZ only has the one Regular infantry regiment, like the Aussies, but with multiple battalions? Or do you have several differently-named regiments like us and the Brits?

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at May 29, 2022 07:27 PM (yikp0)

58 Posted by: Pete Bog at May 29, 2022 07:22 PM (Jzz++)
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Chicken Bowl was the basis for the 2 minute rule!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 07:27 PM (0IeYL)

59 Posted by: Ciampino at May 29, 2022 07:11 PM (qfLjt)

Continuing on from where Duncanthrax left off: M16A3 (USN only) looked like the M16A2, but had full auto selector, no three round burst. M16A4 is the "flat top" model w/ KAC quad rails, and three round burst. Used primarily by the USMC well into the 2010s.

Posted by: Ed L at May 29, 2022 07:27 PM (/lmRp)

60 Question: is the M16 fully automatic or are different models capable of only single and triple shot.

Posted by: Ciampino at May 29, 2022 07:11 PM (qfLjt)
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I believe the GAU-5 is full auto. I've seen 'em around the base.

That's the Air Force variant because we're not with everyone else.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 07:28 PM (llXky)

61 Weasel, you really need a P-229 in .40 without that rail, just as Friedrich Peyer im Hof, Heinrich Moser, and Johann Conrad Neher intended. I might know where one is.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2022 07:28 PM (a3Q+t)

62 willing to give it a shot…
Posted by: Anzac at May 29, 2022 07:13 PM (Pcgiw)

ISWYDT

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 07:28 PM (f4IaF)

63 Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2022 07:28 PM (a3Q+t)
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Word. I hate rails on handguns!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 07:29 PM (0IeYL)

64 Oppsie, I see I missed your question. Yes we sort of work on the Brit Regimental system with normally 3 Battalions to a Regiment . Currently as we are a now 3rd world country we have 2 Regular Force (full time) Battalions (2/1st and 1) plus 4 ,was recently 7, Territorial Force Battalions (part time) working under the banner of Royal New Zealand Infantry Regiment RNZIR. Which is chiselled into my leg in ink.
During WWII we had numbers up to 26th Battalion.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 07:30 PM (bgJ0E)

65 No shooting this week.
Lots of shooting last week including some scoot and shoot with some other ettes. Damn. Add in some movement, one handed shooting and a little speed and , wow! Don't mess with these ladies.

Heh.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 07:30 PM (U2p+3)

66 I've been getting email from various vendors about sales of reloading tools, especially Lee gear. Nice to see that gear back in stock. Components like powder, cases, and bullets are showing up again. Primers are still hard to find. MidwayUSA has none in stock. Most primers are listed as 'temporarily unavailable' but I never see a projected date for them to reappear on the shelves.

Posted by: JTB at May 29, 2022 07:30 PM (7EjX1)

67 On the new SIG, is the 6.8mm that much lighter or more accurate than just standardizing the AR10 as a milspec and using .308?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 29, 2022 07:17 PM (yQpMk)
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It goes super-fast. It has such intense pressures that the cartridge has to have a steel base less there be a failure - brass isn't up to the job.

IMHO, this is nothing but a cash grab by the Army. There is no evidence that the AR platform was in any way inadequate, and there are no foreseeable land conflicts. China will be defeated - if at all - by a combination of air, sea and space power.

But rather than let the Navy and Air Force recapitalize their ageing and overstressed equipment, the Army is demanding that we completely re-equip...for what?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 07:31 PM (llXky)

68 Smooches to weasel for the gun thread.

Thank you!!!!

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 07:31 PM (U2p+3)

69 Solutions? They exist.

We should ban mass murder.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 29, 2022 07:15 PM (yQpMk)

Well, I'm talking real solutions. I don't want to get into an extended take on it, but mine include 1) restoring morals to America (and removing the nihilism), 2) actually punishing people for their crimes, and 3) allowing people to practice their inalienable right to self-defense - no more "gun free" zones.

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 07:32 PM (f4IaF)

70 My thoughts:

- I think the 'At the end of the day, the most important thing is that the officer goes home safely' is a piss poor standard for a first responder.

- Related, 'Out of an abundance of caution, ...' BLECH! That means too much caution.

- If a fireman can rush into a burning building to save occupants (and urgent, chaotic and dangerous situation where they can get killed dead as easily as getting shot), then we should expect no less from the police (ESPECIALLY since a lot of fire departments are volunteer).

- I'd rather the dirtbag be shooting at me than my kids. Doesn't matter if I am armed with anything more than a switch.

- Cops that got their kids and left others should be FIRED. And driven out of town.

- Cops that prevented parents from entering before the last child was killed should be fired and charged / sued for negligent homicide.

Posted by: Legion of Boom at May 29, 2022 07:33 PM (XDTkk)

71 I gotta say the Cigar Vixen has some good music going on.

Posted by: Eromero at May 29, 2022 07:33 PM (0OP+5)

72 Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 07:30 PM (U2p+3)
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Great! I wish more people would practice that!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 07:33 PM (0IeYL)

73 Midway USA had a flash sale of M1 Carbine WWII vintage magazines this past Friday. Various manufacturers and grades, all the way up to new in the original paper - $99.00 a pop for those bad boys. I bought a couple of Grade 3 Rockolas, just to have, for $24. Couldn't see spending nearly a hundred bucks for a magazine that I'd never shoot from.

Midway sold out in less than 30 minutes.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at May 29, 2022 07:19 PM (dVlo/)

jesus, I remember those surplus mags new in original paper going for $5 in the 80's.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 29, 2022 07:33 PM (VwHCD)

74 Not to hijack the thread but there will. Be a nearly global Memorial Day toast tomorrow at 1700 Pacific time. (5:00 PM for you Air Force types.).
To those who gave all.
Open to all.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 29, 2022 07:33 PM (anj39)

75 Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 07:31 PM (U2p+3)
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My pleasure! Thanks for tuning in!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 07:35 PM (0IeYL)

76 Thanks to Horde members who are serving or have served. I observe Memorial Day but can't say I celebrate it. It's a time to reflect on those whose sacrifice has kept us free.

Posted by: JTB at May 29, 2022 07:36 PM (7EjX1)

77 Evening Weasel ...

Quick check in before the content! We have a house-full here tonight. My bride's b-day is tomorrow and my step-daughter is here to help celebrate. She's so pregnant that everyone is counting her braxton-hicks contractions while watching the PGA playoff. LOL

Range day today, but unfortunately not much serious work. My buddy brought his new Stribog SP9A3 as well as a Ruger PCC both in 9mm Interesting shooting a "personal defense weapon" vs the carbine. The Stribog is dead easy to shoot. At 25' good consistent fist-sized groups are pretty easy. Be curious what others think about PCC's in general. I like have one round/caliber to focus on. And if my budget would allow, the Striborg would be my choice.

Wondering what others think.

Made some changes to the training routine to include rapid fire pelvis shots. Have to get to the range again this week and spend some "serious" time. Weeks of travel and goofing off showing ...

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at May 29, 2022 07:36 PM (MEbkQ)

78 Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 07:16 PM (0IeYL)

+1 for the ACOG, too, Mr. Gaga. The closest thing to GI issue is the TA-31. It's a fixed 4 power magnification scope. Biggest pluses for the ACOG are its independence from batteries, ability to take a beating, relative ease of use, wide field of view, light weight and compactness compared to LVPO scopes. Biggest minuses are the very short eye relief (your eyes have to be right behind the optic), need for practice to use in CQB situations, and cost ($1000 - $1400).

Posted by: Ed L at May 29, 2022 07:37 PM (/lmRp)

79 JTB, there are always primers at ammo seek dot com now days, not old days prices but they're available.

Posted by: ck at May 29, 2022 07:37 PM (iBg56)

80 Sorry missed a point, we do not name battalions or regiments as we are only a young army, starting with militia in the 1850's so we number them instead. If we did name individual battalions it would be "The Fat Mexicans" (2nd/1st) or "Pig Island Ponces (1RNZIR), "Southern White Trash" (2/4), etc.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 07:37 PM (bgJ0E)

81 53 GWB makes some very good points. I can't help but get angry at what happened but it's rational thinking such as that that helps keep one grounded.

That said the Police Chief ought to resign. That was a really bad call. And the teacher what left that door open to get her phone should probably find a new job somewhere else. Like Timbuktu, perhaps.

Posted by: Robert at May 29, 2022 07:26 PM (dfrzq)

The teacher, and the principal who is responsible for enforcing the closed and locked door policy described in the Uvalde CISD Preventive Measures, need to be canned. Joe Biden hugged the principal at the school today; that angered me because she is part of the chain of failure that allowed the shooter access to start with. Assuming the open door and unlocked classroom door fails were not singular instances on that day, only.

The resource officer should have seen the propped-open door when he or she drove by, and called that in. f not, another failure. I can sort-of absolve the resource office who was scanning for a shooter, not for open school building doors.

All of the entry access failures must be part of the lessons learned report

Posted by: I like the P229 at May 29, 2022 07:38 PM (K1GF/)

82 Well, I'm talking real solutions. I don't want to get into an extended take on it, but mine include 1) restoring morals to America (and removing the nihilism), 2) actually punishing people for their crimes, and 3) allowing people to practice their inalienable right to self-defense - no more "gun free" zones.

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 07:32 PM (f4IaF)

Thats the only way. EVEN..even if they don't get #1 and restore morals, #2 and #3 would be enough. The frigging founders gave us the 2A so no American would ever be a sitting duck anywhere...ever. Eventually the good will kill all the bad.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 29, 2022 07:38 PM (VwHCD)

83 jesus, I remember those surplus mags new in original paper going for $5 in the 80's.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 29, 2022 07:33 PM (VwHCD)

I can remember my Dad getting new in the paper carbine mags from Walter Craig Firearms in Selma, AL for $1.50 each in the early Sixties.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at May 29, 2022 07:38 PM (dVlo/)

84 Yes! I went to the range this week, and I have thoughts...

For the last couple weeks I've been using rather heavy cartridges - 7.62mm Tokarev and .45 ACP. Normally, nothing to write home about, but combined with yard work, my hands were feeling a little tenderized.

So I thought I'd try something mild. Soothing. Mouse guns: .32 ACP and .380 ACP.

I also needed a smooth platform, so for .32 ACP there was no other choice than the Walther PP. Ergonomic, comfortable, beautiful. For .380, I likewise knew that Hungarian engineering would give me a smooth, silky ride. FEG M37, to be specific.

It was glorious. The PP is capable of wonderfully tight groups, and folks at the range said it was louder than the .380. I put around through a full jug of water and it split out the back side.

The M37 destroyed a jug, which was weird because we all know .380 ball is useless, right? Then again, these weapons had 4" barrels, so maybe that extra length matters. Anyhow, it was therapeutic.

Too bad the guns were lost on the canoe trip home. I should really start driving to these things.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 07:39 PM (llXky)

85 nurse, I'm so glad that you had a chance to shoot and move and shoot at things that move.

We WILL shoot skeet in October.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 29, 2022 07:40 PM (m07mU)

86 If your concern is recoil, rather than creating a new platform, would you not consider packing less heat in one of your existing cartridges?

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 29, 2022 07:41 PM (BP3/z)

87 #64 Thanks, Frank, I was just curious because I always thought it odd from an Aussie ex-military friend that we had all sorts of Reserve / Militia battalions with exotic names carried over into WW1 and WW2 as Regular army units [ethnic types like Highlanders, and green-coated Rifle Regiments due to North American terrain] but Oz -- and now I know NZ too -- didn't go that route.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at May 29, 2022 07:41 PM (yikp0)

88 Midway USA had a flash sale of M1 Carbine WWII vintage magazines this past Friday. Various manufacturers and grades, all the way up to new in the original paper - $99.00 a pop for those bad boys. I bought a couple of Grade 3 Rockolas, just to have, for $24. Couldn't see spending nearly a hundred bucks for a magazine that I'd never shoot from.

Midway sold out in less than 30 minutes.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at May 29, 2022 07:19 PM (dVlo/)

jesus, I remember those surplus mags new in original paper going for $5 in the 80's.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 29, 2022 07:33 PM

We used to see them in surplus stores in the 1960s original GI wrapped 15 round M1 Carbine magazines in the waxed paper for 50 cents each, bins and bins of them next to the M1 Garand enbloc clips for a nickle each. If I had had money back then along with foresight I would be rich now.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 29, 2022 07:42 PM (bVYXr)

89 Thanks for the Memorial Day thoughts and the gub, Weasel. Tomorrow is most definitely a day of reflection, as well as a day of humble gratitude for those that gave all.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 29, 2022 07:42 PM (Xrfse)

90 And after last week, I really REALLY want a compact Kimber 1911 in .45 and a Sig P 365 in 9mm.

Too bad I'm not wealthy.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 07:42 PM (U2p+3)

91 Thanks to Horde members who are serving or have served.

If it was Veteran's Day, you might have a point.

Just Sayin'. Memorial Day is set aside only to honor those who didn't make it home.

Posted by: That Guy at May 29, 2022 07:42 PM (rFKo1)

92
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 29, 2022 07:43 PM (ENBF0)

93 79 ... "there are always primers at ammo seek dot com now days, not old days prices but they're available."

ck,
Thanks. I don't need primers myself but can refer others to ammoseek.

Posted by: JTB at May 29, 2022 07:43 PM (7EjX1)

94 I did get to the range this week. (Now that I'm a member, I can schedule range time!) I spent all my time and effort shooting up just 3 targets with 150 rounds of 9mm.

I worked on just 3 things: proper squeeze on the weapon (push-pull and tightness of grip), finger placement (which I think needs re-evaluation), and NOT ANTICIPATING recoil. I saw improvements. The last 40 rounds or so, though, saw some drifting back to low and left. (No matter what, I'm disemboweling my target, at least.)

I am taking my pistol bench rest next time to try and remove any extraneous factors and see if maybe I have a sight issue, too. If I do, I'm gonna need some pointers on fixing that.

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 07:43 PM (f4IaF)

95 TEACHERS & GUNS - I think the majority of teachers are normal people and those we see in the media represent the same % of the population as BLM does. Teachers who want to protect their students, with proper vetting and training, should be allowed. It would shut school mass murders down in a heartbeat, literally. Armed teachers is an idea that should be promoted

It appears that there is no precise answer to the number or which school systems allow teachers to carry, however, there are many more than generally assumed. The problem is that promoting the idea of armed teachers is far behind permission. Here are some proactive schools and what they've done. Also a list of states.

_COLORADO SPRINGS. FASTER Colorado -
https://is.gd/MvRAzX
_Texas, School Marshal Program -
https://is.gd/vvjSnP
_Clarksville AR, https://is.gd/e6bK2Z
_Grand Saline ISD, TX - https://is.gd/J2t54a
_USCCA, article & list, scroll -
https://is.gd/ZrDfhN
- Hey, good looking - https://is.gd/OmCXad

Posted by: Braenyard at May 29, 2022 07:44 PM (jmn+9)

96 I just did it: placed my order for a Browning Buckmark Plus UDX 22LR 5.5" 10+1 Rosewood Grip Matte Blue!

Posted by: Soon to be a gun owner, Iris at May 29, 2022 07:45 PM (foa6+)

97 #81 LOL at your second reply. too, Frank.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at May 29, 2022 07:45 PM (yikp0)

98 85 nurse, I'm so glad that you had a chance to shoot and move and shoot at things that move.

We WILL shoot skeet in October.
Posted by: Ben Had

It was so awesome shooting in the move. And my learning curve went up significantly the more I shot. And my heart was thumping afterwards.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 07:46 PM (U2p+3)

99 #64 Thanks, Frank, I was just curious because I always thought it odd from an Aussie ex-military friend that we had all sorts of Reserve / Militia battalions with exotic names carried over into WW1 and WW2 as Regular army units [ethnic types like Highlanders, and green-coated Rifle Regiments due to North American terrain] but Oz -- and now I know NZ too -- didn't go that route.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at May 29, 2022 07:41 PM (yikp0)

I was the last secretary and treasurer before the club disbanded of the Sydenham Volunteer Defense Rifle Club . A mouthful to be fair.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 07:46 PM (bgJ0E)

100 Legal Insurrection has news of yet another dead would-be mass shooter that won't make the news since it debunks the narrative.

He is dead dead dead and dropped by a woman with with a pistol though he had an AR-15.

She was trained. He relied on pray and spray, thankfully he missed everyone at a graduation party.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2022 07:46 PM (hBR2w)

101 Sorry, I mean #80 Frank.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at May 29, 2022 07:46 PM (yikp0)

102 Sorry missed a point, we do not name battalions or regiments as we are only a young army, starting with militia in the 1850's so we number them instead. If we did name individual battalions it would be "The Fat Mexicans" (2nd/1st) or "Pig Island Ponces (1RNZIR), "Southern White Trash" (2/4), etc.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 07:37 PM (bgJ0E)
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You don't have nicknames? A lot of US regiments (and some battalions) have them. This also applies to the Air Force. The 107th Fighter Squadron is the Red Devils, for example. (Their motto is "Trust me" because the started out as ground attack and they're back at it).

Fun fact: the North Dakota Air National Guard are known as the "The Hooligans" and have consistently lived up (or down) to that reputation.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 07:47 PM (llXky)

103 96 I just did it: placed my order for a Browning Buckmark Plus UDX 22LR 5.5" 10+1 Rosewood Grip Matte Blue!
Posted by: Soon to be a gun owner, Iris

SQUEEEEEEE!!!!

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 07:47 PM (U2p+3)

104 I haven't looked at the video about the M5 replacement rifle but am doubtful it will convince me that the replacement of the M-16 is really necessary.

A combat infantryman needs his rifle to be light, reliable and with semi-auto and automatic capabilities. That's about it. Accuracy, particularly when you are talking about the M-16 vs any new rifle, is not a factor. Half the shots fired in anger are more likely to hit a bird flying overhead than anything else. Stopping power is also not really a factor as hitting anyone is very doubtful. That's what artillery and air is for.

This from a old Infantryman and fan of the M-16

Posted by: Javems at May 29, 2022 07:47 PM (AmoqO)

105 - Cops that got their kids and left others should be FIRED. And driven out of town.

Posted by: Legion of Boom at May 29, 2022 07:33 PM (XDTkk)

I'm not sure I believe that one. Kids are in groups in school. There's no way cops went in and JUST got THEIR kid out of a classroom. They might have prioritized their kid's classroom, but there's no way they just left all the other kids there.

I also could see (since these elementary school kids evidently had cell phones in their classrooms) cops going in *knowing where some kids were* because they got a scared text from their kid, and going to the bathroom or other unsecured location to get any kids there.

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 07:47 PM (f4IaF)

106 I wish more people would practice that!!
Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 07:33 PM (0IeYL)

Unfortunately, so many ranges won't let you do anything but static shooting unless you pay big bucks to take a class. (And some won't even allow it then.)

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 07:48 PM (f4IaF)

107 (5:00 PM for you Air Force types.).

Posted by: Diogenes at May 29, 2022 07:33 PM (anj39)

You have to give it in Zulu for us Air Force types. (Global Reach, baby.)

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 07:49 PM (f4IaF)

108 Iris!!! Congratulations. Wood and blued steel make my heart flutter.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 29, 2022 07:49 PM (m07mU)

109 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 07:28 PM (llXky)

GAU-5 series weapons were rebuilt into GUU-5/Ps to accommodate the M855 "green tip" round by mating existing lowers to new uppers w/ 14.5 inch barrels with the 1 in 7 twist. The work also replaced the "moderator" from the Vietnam era w/ the current "birdcage" flash suppressor. Unlike the Army, I think the USAF kept all existing lowers in service, as well as buying additional M4s.

Posted by: Ed L at May 29, 2022 07:49 PM (/lmRp)

110 96 I just did it: placed my order for a Browning Buckmark Plus UDX 22LR 5.5" 10+1 Rosewood Grip Matte Blue!
Posted by: Soon to be a gun owner, Iris at May 29, 2022 07:45 PM (foa6+)
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CONGRATULATIONS!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 07:50 PM (0IeYL)

111 Thanks for the Memorial Day thoughts and the gub, Weasel. Tomorrow is most definitely a day of reflection, as well as a day of humble gratitude for those that gave all.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 29, 2022 07:42 PM (Xrfse)
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I find Memorial Day gets harder in these strange, awful times. I lost a friend in Iraq and over the years it just seems more stupid and useless. Such a good man. Such a waste.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 07:50 PM (llXky)

112 Word. I hate rails on handguns!
Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 07:29 PM (0IeYL)

Hell, next you'll be saying you like Gee Rands or something.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 07:50 PM (bgJ0E)

113 "Accept shootings as a consequence of a free society" and "arm the children" are not great solutions, but they're better than gunning up a bunch of whacked-out communists like the teachers. I strongly prefer for them to remain weak. First time one of them gets froggy, he'll just do a mass shooting at a church or something.

Posted by: @TheRealWilliamHayes at May 29, 2022 07:51 PM (FIJ+3)

114 The Michigan Air National Guard Fighter Interceptor Squadron when they flew the F-106 was called the Michigan Six Pack.

The Louisiana National Guard has lost its non-PC nickname of the Coona$$ Militia.

VFA-143 has a griffon as the squadron symbol but back in the day one wife asked why did it look like a "puking dog?" They've been proudly the Pukin Dogs ever since.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2022 07:51 PM (hBR2w)

115 Unfortunately, so many ranges won't let you do anything but static shooting unless you pay big bucks to take a class. (And some won't even allow it then.)
Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 07:48 PM (f4IaF)
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Yep.

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 07:51 PM (0IeYL)

116 Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2022 07:25 PM (a3Q+t)

Request was disguised by the question regarding self defense ammo. Any horde favorites?

Oh yes the chicken bowl will be mine. And I will need to defend said bowl.

Posted by: Pete Bog at May 29, 2022 07:51 PM (Jzz++)

117 (5:00 PM for you Air Force types.).

Posted by: Diogenes at May 29, 2022 07:33 PM (anj39)

You have to give it in Zulu for us Air Force types. (Global Reach, baby.)

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 07:49 PM (f4IaF)
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It helps if you time it to accomodate our tee times at the local golf course.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 07:52 PM (llXky)

118 106 I wish more people would practice that!!
Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 07:33 PM (0IeYL)

Unfortunately, so many ranges won't let you do anything but static shooting unless you pay big bucks to take a class. (And some won't even allow it then.)
Posted by: GWB

It isn't easy, but a lot of DNR lands will allow you to shoot. MAE, LazyMessenger and I have gone out to the woods and set up our own targets to move and shoot. We can only manage it 1-2 x per year, but, it's worth the effort. And I bring sammiches and chips and soft drinks.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 07:52 PM (U2p+3)

119 but they're better than gunning up a bunch of whacked-out communists like the teachers.

**

And I think exactly zero people are suggesting this.

Anyone with a concealed carry permit should be allowed to carry on any campus if they desire. The end.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Black family survived slavery but not welfare at May 29, 2022 07:52 PM (5lbKt)

120 You have to give it in Zulu for us Air Force types. (Global Reach, baby.)
Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 07:49 PM

Ok. Mickey's big hand is on the 12, and his little hand is on the eleven.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2022 07:53 PM (a3Q+t)

121 Just Sayin'. Memorial Day is set aside only to honor those who didn't make it home.
Posted by: That Guy at May 29, 2022 07:42 PM

This.

I've been dragooned into speaking at a Memorial Day event tomorrow, and that sentiment is being worked into my remarks.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 29, 2022 07:53 PM (RkC6l)

122 Posted by: Pete Bog

Mrs Bog is an awesome shot. Just sayin.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 07:53 PM (U2p+3)

123 @38 Thanks for your ideas, GWB. Those are all pertinent suggestions. Could I trouble you to recommend specific drills or written/online resources that spell out how to practice breathing, stance, etc.? I'll take all the help I can get.

I also really appreciated your and Weasel's thoughtful comments on the Uvalde shooting. Infuriates me that not a single damn politician can conduct themselves as a rational thinking adult in the aftermath of these deals.

Posted by: Matthew Kant Cipher at May 29, 2022 07:54 PM (kb51C)

124 Hell, next you'll be saying you like Gee Rands or something.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 07:50 PM (bgJ0E)
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Well, now that you mention it...

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 07:54 PM (0IeYL)

125 Of course VFA-41 is Moron worthy - they are the Black Aces with the Ace of Spades as their symbol.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2022 07:54 PM (hBR2w)

126 Howdy Weasel, Horde,

Castle Rock v Gonzales, folks. The police have zero legal duty to rescue individuals. Please look up the case if you're not familiar with it.

Now, I have friends in law enforcement who'd blow off Castle Rock and orders to stand down. I'm sure there are plenty of other good LEOs across the country who'd do the same.

But our Uvalde after action reviews have to factor in Castle Rock, and good cops getting ordered to stand down while BLM went on a rampage.

Posted by: callsign claymore at May 29, 2022 07:55 PM (Qxvh0)

127 114 The Michigan Air National Guard Fighter Interceptor Squadron when they flew the F-106 was called the Michigan Six Pack.

The Louisiana National Guard has lost its non-PC nickname of the Coona$$ Militia.

VFA-143 has a griffon as the squadron symbol but back in the day one wife asked why did it look like a "puking dog?" They've been proudly the Pukin Dogs ever since.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2022 07:51 PM (hBR2w)
World Famous Pukin Dogs.
Eromero (VF84 Jolly Rogers 68-89-70

Posted by: Eromero at May 29, 2022 07:55 PM (0OP+5)

128 122 Posted by: Pete Bog

Mrs Bog is an awesome shot. Just sayin.
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 07:53 PM (U2p+3)
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Steely-eyed even!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 07:56 PM (U1ErS)

129 I find Memorial Day gets harder in these strange, awful times. I lost a friend in Iraq and over the years it just seems more stupid and useless. Such a good man. Such a waste.

Understood but we must never stop honoring them, regardless of the circumstances.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 29, 2022 07:56 PM (Xrfse)

130 Pete Bog, my home defense is a shotgun and a bad dog.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 29, 2022 07:56 PM (m07mU)

131
Fun fact: the North Dakota Air National Guard are known as the "The Hooligans" and have consistently lived up (or down) to that reputation.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 07:47 PM (llXky)

Our nicknames are not official as the boys just like taking the piss too much.
During WWII the 2NZEF which was pretty much all of NZ bar Air Force and Navy, was collectively known to all other allied forces as "The Hydraulics".

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 07:56 PM (bgJ0E)

132 Thinking about getting a RH OWB pancake type holster for my H&K USP.

Do I want open top or with thumb break? I'm thinking open top for ease of draw.

Posted by: DB at May 29, 2022 07:56 PM (geLO8)

133 Thanks for the Memorial Day thoughts and the gub, Weasel. Tomorrow is most definitely a day of reflection, as well as a day of humble gratitude for those that gave all.

Posted by: Notorious BFD

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I will be eternally grateful that so many brave men died to postpone socialism and communism reaching the United States for as long as it did. I'm very grateful to have grown up in the 80s and 90s, and their sacrifice is what kept the wolves out of the village up until the cold war ended and Our Betters needed to look inwards to find their enemies.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Black family survived slavery but not welfare at May 29, 2022 07:56 PM (5lbKt)

134 I've never been in the military, but I have been shot *at*.
It's true, it is a somewhat exhilarating experience.
I didn't stick around to wait for her aim to improve...

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 29, 2022 07:56 PM (jTmQV)

135 The Michigan Air National Guard Fighter Interceptor Squadron when they flew the F-106 was called the Michigan Six Pack.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2022 07:51 PM (hBR2w)
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That's the 191st, I believe. They were inactivated when their F-4 Phantoms were retired. They became the maintenance squadron for the 171st Airlift Squadron, which is unusual because normally both the "flying squadron" and the maintainers would share the same number.

Then again, they are part of the 127th Wing out of Selfridge ANGB, so they share space with the 107th. I started my ANG career with the 127th so very long ago...they flew F-16s and C-130s back then.

They're still the Six Pack, as far as I know, they just find different things to justify it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 07:56 PM (llXky)

136 53
How did the shooter know the door was open? Did he go door to door testing?

Posted by: Ciampino at May 29, 2022 07:57 PM (qfLjt)

137 I just did it: placed my order for a Browning Buckmark Plus UDX 22LR 5.5" 10+1 Rosewood Grip Matte Blue!
Posted by: Soon to be a gun owner, Iris at May 29, 2022 07:45 PM (foa6+)
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You go, girl!!

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 29, 2022 07:57 PM (aeePL)

138 VF-84 went Hollywood with The Final Countdown

"I say again, splash the Zeros."

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2022 07:57 PM (hBR2w)

139 Bourbon. heh.

Posted by: Eromero at May 29, 2022 07:58 PM (0OP+5)

140 Okay, I need to lighten up a bit. Heh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 29, 2022 07:58 PM (Xrfse)

141 Understood but we must never stop honoring them, regardless of the circumstances.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 29, 2022 07:56 PM (Xrfse)
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+100

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 29, 2022 07:58 PM (aeePL)

142 Oh, and I got a new gun this week: EAA Windicator in .357mag. I got it the day *after* my range time, so I haven't shot it yet. It is neither a light nor small weapon (4" barrel).

I did discover something interesting, though. The manual says it's not for sale in California or other states where they have a "melting point" restriction. It was the first I'd heard of that sort of restriction. It's evidently an attempt to prevent cheap*, crappy weapons like the original "Saturday Night Special".
(* Also read as "inexpensive" or "available to people not of means".)

It seems some places have exemptions for polymer parts. But, the EAA Windicator is a zinc alloy, so it's melting point is below that of ferrous metal, and therefore BANNED.

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 07:59 PM (f4IaF)

143 >>The Michigan Air National Guard Fighter Interceptor Squadron when they flew the F-106 was called the Michigan Six Pack.

The Louisiana National Guard has lost its non-PC nickname of the Coona$$ Militia.

in CO the term "Thunderbirds" has been deemed to be offensive. Thunderbirds, as in the USAF aviation demonstration team.

A number of CO schools are being threatened with fines if they don't scrub their names.

Posted by: DB at May 29, 2022 07:59 PM (geLO8)

144 Hell, next you'll be saying you like Gee Rands or something.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 07:50 PM

"Who doesn't?"
-- Geo. Patton

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2022 07:59 PM (a3Q+t)

145 The first Navy fighter squadron to hoist the Jolly Roger was VF-17 in the F4U-1 Corsair. The name Ira Kepford should ring a bell.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2022 08:00 PM (hBR2w)

146 California or other states where they have a "melting point" restriction.

Wait, what?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 08:00 PM (bgJ0E)

147 Didn't own a 9 so I took del'y last Monday of an HK P30SK LEM and I think I'm gonna like the trigger and action.

Full DA feel until you part-slide it, at which point you get a long easy pull to the wall after which it feels SA.

In repetitive fire, you gotta practice to understand the reset point of the trigger.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 29, 2022 08:00 PM (KiBMU)

148 Of course VFA-41 is Moron worthy - they are the Black Aces with the Ace of Spades as their symbol.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2022 07:54 PM

I was VFA 195, the Dambusters or as we were known back in my Westpac days as the Chippys. Chippys are were a code name for hookers in the Philippines.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 29, 2022 08:00 PM (bVYXr)

149 And I bring sammiches and chips and soft drinks.
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 07:52 PM (U2p+3)

Now, see, that's what makes our 'ettes so special! They shoot good AND bring sammiches! God bless you!

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 08:01 PM (f4IaF)

150 VFA-195 at least to the Plastic Bugs was known as "Chippy Ho"

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2022 08:01 PM (hBR2w)

151 How did the shooter know the door was open? Did he go door to door testing?

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He probably saw the government employees (teachers, staff) going in and out of it while he was wandering around the campus and surrounding area for twelve minutes before any government employees (cops) - not just "resource officers", but ANY cops - decided to show up and any of the government employees (teachers, staff) thought to lock the doors because someone is shooting right outside.

Imagine how horrible the area is if an elementary school and the staff no longer pay attention to someone shooting literally right outside of your building.

And again, every failure in this instance was a government employee's, from failing the student to not charging him with multiple crimes multiple times, to the social workers not being able to help him.

Not a single other gun owner is to blame. Hundreds of government employees are, though.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Black family survived slavery but not welfare at May 29, 2022 08:01 PM (5lbKt)

152 Posted by: Javems at May 29, 2022 07:47 PM (AmoqO)

Javems, IMHO, the Army is looking for the "perfect" rifle and the "perfect" ammo instead of going w/ something that's "good enough." There's a case for saying that although the M-16/M-4/SAW are not perfect, they're "good enough" jack of all trades weapons. If we have to go back to a place where there's lots of thick vegetation severely limiting long range aimed shots, I think 5.56mm will come back with a vengeance.

Posted by: Ed L at May 29, 2022 08:02 PM (/lmRp)

153 Thinking about getting a RH OWB pancake type holster for my H&K USP.

Do I want open top or with thumb break? I'm thinking open top for ease of draw.
Posted by: DB at May 29, 2022 07:56 PM

Might you ever be in a situation where some degree of retention would be a good thing?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2022 08:02 PM (a3Q+t)

154 Mucho moons ago, my dad was in VP-21 and the insignia was an AoS and a Joker, I think. Pretty badass for a patrol squadron!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 08:02 PM (U1ErS)

155 Open Letter to certain Uvalde area law enforcement officers.

Not all of you, but *most* of you fucked up, and fucked up badly. Because of this, an extreme body count of nineteen dead kids and two dead teachers was run up by the murderous scum, mostly by your allowance.

You were ordered to stand back, to stand down, you say? Bullshit. That's when you have *comms problems*, your *radio didn't work*, and you go in anyway. Your Sgt or the Lt tell you directly to not go in? That's when you cash in your career, tell him or her to fuck off, and go in, regardless. Kids were needlessly dying, the whole time you were "just following orders". That defense died at Nuringberg, and with it died every conceivable excuse you might offer.

My advice to you? Go find new L.E. jobs somewhere else in Texas. Texas offers plenty of "far away" for you, and you need to go far, far away. Even better, go to another State. Best? Get the fuck out of law enforcement, and take up pumping gas and wiping windshields. Sell your house, uproot your family, and just *go*.

You've lost all standing, honor and respect, anywhere Texan is spoken, forever.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 29, 2022 08:02 PM (QzJWU)

156 And now I'm done talking about Sally and those POS cops who "didn't want to get shot at".

*spit*

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Black family survived slavery but not welfare at May 29, 2022 08:02 PM (5lbKt)

157 Sorry gub threaders I am late to the thread. I have a perfectly cromulent excuse: I WAS BUYING A GUN!

Cabela's sale (plus veteran's discount) on a Sig Sauer P365 XL Romeo Zero. They had it in stock, it became my Father's Day present.

Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2022 08:02 PM (9otr5)

158 Ok. Mickey's big hand is on the 12, and his little hand is on the eleven.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2022 07:53 PM (a3Q+t)

LOL. That is NOT Zulu. Zulu requires math beyond counting on your fingers. :p
(Unless you have 12 fingers. Looking at the sub nuke guys here.)

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 08:02 PM (f4IaF)

159 Now, see, that's what makes our 'ettes so special! They shoot good AND bring sammiches! God bless you!
Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 08:01 PM

The 'ettes are the best. This is a Known Thing.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 29, 2022 08:03 PM (RkC6l)

160 Thanks guys! It's nice to have friends who understand the excitement. Or were a bad influence and led to the purchase. :-) Either way....

Posted by: Soon to be a gun owner, Iris at May 29, 2022 08:04 PM (foa6+)

161 Javems, IMHO, the Army is looking for the "perfect" rifle and the "perfect" ammo instead of going w/ something that's "good enough." There's a case for saying that although the M-16/M-4/SAW are not perfect, they're "good enough" jack of all trades weapons. If we have to go back to a place where there's lots of thick vegetation severely limiting long range aimed shots, I think 5.56mm will come back with a vengeance.

Posted by: Ed L at May 29, 2022 08:02 PM (/lmRp)
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They're looking to spend money we don't have on rifles we don't need.

The Army is going to be 20,000+ troops short by October 1. A shiny new rifle will not solve this.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 08:04 PM (llXky)

162 Posted by: Soon to be a gun owner, Iris at May 29, 2022 07:45 PM (foa6+)

Congratulations on your first purchase!

Posted by: Ed L at May 29, 2022 08:05 PM (/lmRp)

163 Posted by: Soon to be a gun owner, Iris at May 29, 2022 08:04 PM (foa6+)
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Gun nut!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 08:05 PM (0IeYL)

164 Memorial Day is tough now, I lost a good friend at the beginning of A-Stan on operation Anaconda. Still remember the gut punch when first reports came back. Looking back in todays perspective I’m deeply saddened/sickened how it all ended. I think of Gen. Pattons ‘’it is foolish and wrong to mourn the dead but rather thank god that they lived…’’ for consolation.

Posted by: Nevada Dave at May 29, 2022 08:05 PM (3DzQz)

165 Hell, next you'll be saying you like Gee Rands or something.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 07:50 PM

"Who doesn't?"
-- Geo. Patton
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2022 07:59 PM (a3Q+t)

Oh I "like" them its just that I don't want to go to the races with one.

And nobody bit. "The Hydraulics" because they will lift (pinch, steal, nick) anything. Never park up anywhere near a Kiwi base or camp. We will flog anything not nailed down and then come back with hammers. We are fucking thieving pikey bastards.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 08:05 PM (bgJ0E)

166 Uvalde popo didn’t want to be Chauvined. Not saying it was right, but it was the reason. And it will be the case for years to come.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 29, 2022 08:05 PM (PLQCb)

167 20,000 soldiers is basically a whole division with attachments.

Yeah that is a pretty big hole in the ORBAT.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2022 08:05 PM (hBR2w)

168 Can't be said enough. Go meet your fellow Morons.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 29, 2022 08:05 PM (m07mU)

169 *hic*

Hand me my gatt

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 29, 2022 08:05 PM (6hwmT)

170 My 155 was posted in yesterday's Gainz Thread, and seemed worth repeating, here. Seems Mr. Weasel (& many others, here) are of a like mind on the subject.

I've never had to pull a trigger in anger, but am here after three armed-with-intent encounters in which blessedly "commands were obeyed." And would've pulled those triggers, had they been not obeyed. Which I do not care to repeat, but damn.. that classroom door NEEDED to be breached, by any means necessary and in all possible haste.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 29, 2022 08:06 PM (QzJWU)

171 I'd like to know what kind of security door it was.

Combo?
Key?
Or a badge tap?

I have these all over my workplace. There's no reason to ever be so lazy as to prop open the door.
THATS WHY THE DOOR IS THERE FFS.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 08:06 PM (U2p+3)

172 And nobody bit. "The Hydraulics" because they will lift (pinch, steal, nick) anything. Never park up anywhere near a Kiwi base or camp. We will flog anything not nailed down and then come back with hammers. We are fucking thieving pikey bastards.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 08:05 PM (bgJ0E)
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I thought it was bladder control issues, and didn't want to appear insensitive.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 08:06 PM (llXky)

173 What Jim said.

Posted by: Eromero at May 29, 2022 08:07 PM (0OP+5)

174 They're looking to spend money we don't have on rifles we don't need.

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A moron pointed out that they need something that will reliably punch through commonly available body armor here in the U.S.

It's an interesting observation.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Black family survived slavery but not welfare at May 29, 2022 08:07 PM (5lbKt)

175 Today was DMV MGC Sunday. First, one of the players, Iris, left the venue and order her first gun as seen above. Can't wait to shoot with her with that.

We were down some shooters but it did constitute a quorum. Ed L brought a S&W .44 Dirty Harry gun because sra blaster wanted to shoot it. (she can be very persuasive). Just a couple of rounds each, I think, and .44 Spl because none of us was quite up to the Magnum Force yet. But that was a fun shoot.

Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2022 08:07 PM (9otr5)

176 >>Might you ever be in a situation where some degree of retention would be a good thing?

Posted by: Duncanthrax

if you mean jumping fences and chasing perps, no. I'm just the guy who's minding his own business, but wants to get the gun out cleanly if threatened.

Posted by: DB at May 29, 2022 08:08 PM (geLO8)

177 the demonization of the cops over the last 10 years basn't fallen on deaf ears

yeah, what Chauvin did may have crossed the line but if you watch the vids closely, it was quite obvious that he didn't think he was doing anything wrong

but life in prison, ridiculous

but I think the straw that broke the camels back was Darren Wilson

his life was ruin for jumping in and doing his job

cops think about that everyday

Posted by: REDACTED at May 29, 2022 08:09 PM (us2H3)

178 I thought it was bladder control issues, and didn't want to appear insensitive.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 08:06 PM (llXky)

Ha! Good one.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 08:09 PM (bgJ0E)

179 WAs there not one breaching shotgun in that whole group?

Posted by: Eromero at May 29, 2022 08:09 PM (0OP+5)

180 Could I trouble you to recommend specific drills or written/online resources that spell out how to practice breathing, stance, etc.?

Posted by: Matthew Kant Cipher at May 29, 2022 07:54 PM (kb51C)

I don't know about online resources, but I can recommend those targets that have the "what you're doing wrong" bits written around the circle. (Though, they work better if you don't shoot out the written parts with your lousy control and shooting 40 rounds into one target.) They're available lots of places online and probably at your local range.

The best suggestion I can give is to find a buddy or a range officer or an instructor to watch you. That's what happened to me a couple of weeks back, where the range officer (helps I was there during the day with a light load of people shooting) gave me some helpful tips on what I might be doing wrong.

I've picked up a lot of things in ~45 years of shooting. A lot are bad habits.

Some are new bits of advice picked up here. (I would advise looking through the Gun Thread archive... which is somewhere. And don't comment on old threads.)

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 08:10 PM (f4IaF)

181 Watched a youtube vid today and can't find it to watch again.

A very well trained gunner has two special-build ARs, one with a red dot no magnifier, the other an LPVO scope. Twin things out near the muzzle, another thing flashlight back from that.

He has a timer device on his belt. He begins with the target a head adjacent a head at 5 yards, calls it a hostage target, times himself for a tap tap with each gun.

The guy's a real pro. Likely a SWAT somewhere or a range trainer.

Who's the guy? And what was the video?

Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 29, 2022 08:10 PM (KiBMU)

182 Also in today's shoot apparently weasel is slowly grooming swa to be his mini-me. She has taken a liking to Kimber 1911s, and today she decided that the Sig P226 is also a good gun for her. My recently optic'ed 226 went to the range and she was like Annie Oakley or something. She shot better than everyone else on that target.

Also, you should see her, doing all the handgun moves, getting into the low ready, then picking it up and shooting.

Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2022 08:12 PM (9otr5)

183 Posted by: Matthew Kant Cipher at May 29, 2022 07:54 PM (kb51C)

Oh! And get some snap caps and dry fire at home (following all the rules of gun safety!). Practice the penny drill - put a penny on the front sight and practice pulling the trigger without the penny falling off. It will get you to get nice smooth trigger pulls. Then you have to put it together with actual recoil at the range.

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 08:12 PM (f4IaF)

184 Could I trouble you to recommend specific drills or written/online resources that spell out how to practice breathing, stance, etc.?

Posted by: Matthew Kant Cipher at May 29, 2022 07:54 PM (kb51C)
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You're welcome to email me - address is at the bottom of the thread.

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 08:12 PM (U1ErS)

185 Oh well time to survey the stalled A-4 projects to see if I can cannibalize them to quickly build A-4E "Black 55" that was Michael Ironside's plane in Top Gun.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2022 08:12 PM (hBR2w)

186
A moron pointed out that they need something that will reliably punch through commonly available body armor here in the U.S.

It's an interesting observation.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Black family survived slavery but not welfare at May 29, 2022 08:07 PM (5lbKt)
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Nah, they're all about "Peer competitors" and planning to invade Moscow or something. That's got everyone all hot and bothered - a bunch of folks pissed that the missed out on the Cold War hoping to get a chance for its tawdry sequel.

And money. Lots and lots of money. Consulting jobs. Contractor jobs. Remember, these guys go directly from letting the contracts at the Pentagon to filling them at Boeing, Raytheon, and now SIG USA. Great work if you can get it.

Put simply: after decades of satisfactory service there is no pressing need for the US Army to completely trash their logistics, existing ammo stocks, existing manufacturing capacity and small arms training. None. It's just a cash grab.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 08:12 PM (llXky)

187 Eromero (VF84 Jolly Rogers 68-89-70
Posted by: Eromero at May 29, 2022 07:55 PM (0OP+5)

Those your measurements, Eromero?

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 08:13 PM (f4IaF)

188 cops think about that everyday
Posted by: REDACTED at May 29, 2022 08:09 PM (us2H3)

Yep. And it will only get worse before it gets better. This is going to be a generational thing. Cops first thought for the next 10-15 years will be, shit do I really want to risk life in prison for this? And the answer most of the time will be NO!

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 29, 2022 08:13 PM (PLQCb)

189 LOL. That is NOT Zulu. Zulu requires math beyond counting on your fingers.

First, I apologize, Mickey's little hand should be on the ten, not the eleven.

Since PDT is -7 Zulu, you can calculate it without any additional fingers.

(Unless you have 12 fingers. Looking at the sub nuke guys here.)
Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 08:02 PM

It's true that Bubbleheads can calculate to twelve, but it's because of a (sought-after by those-in-the-know) radiation-induced bifurcated appendage, not 6-digit hands.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2022 08:13 PM (a3Q+t)

190 Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2022 08:12 PM (9otr5)
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Excellent!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 08:13 PM (U1ErS)

191 How did the shooter know the door was open? Did he go door to door testing?
Posted by: Ciampino at May 29, 2022 07:57 PM (qfLjt)

It had been *propped open*.

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 08:14 PM (f4IaF)

192 ZULU = UTC

right?

Posted by: DB at May 29, 2022 08:14 PM (geLO8)

193 Ha! Good one.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 08:09 PM (bgJ0E)
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"You know why we call you guys 'hydraulics', dontcha?"

"Sure, Yank. Because we lift stuff. If it's not nailed down, it's ours."

"Fat chance. All GIs steal stuff. No we call you 'hydraulics' because you spring leaks all over the place. Youse guys ever hear of a latrine?"

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 08:16 PM (llXky)

194 The Garland justice department which had no prob with cops killing unarmed innocents on Jan 6, will find no prob with Uvalde "cops" who refrained from killing a real armed person.

Bet on it.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 29, 2022 08:16 PM (KiBMU)

195 Blaster, I'm blushing but I've had some excellent coaching recently and it just all seemed to come together today. I loved that p226. Just heavy enough to negate recoil and the green dot was incredible. Also, the group helped me put about 200 rounds through the G44 which I wanted to shoot today to get prepped for the G48 arriving at the end of the week. Hoped to have it today but 7 day waiting period in MD.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 29, 2022 08:17 PM (Y+l9t)

196 If the door was proposed open then whomever did that needs to be tried for manslaughter. We’re there cameras?

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 29, 2022 08:17 PM (PLQCb)

197 And nobody bit. "The Hydraulics" because they will lift (pinch, steal, nick) anything. Never park up anywhere near a Kiwi base or camp. We will flog anything not nailed down and then come back with hammers. We are fucking thieving pikey bastards.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 08:05 PM

And yet, I've never heard a Digger say anything good about a Kiwi.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2022 08:17 PM (a3Q+t)

198 You know why we call you guys 'hydraulics', dontcha?"

"Sure, Yank. Because we lift stuff. If it's not nailed down, it's ours."

"Fat chance. All GIs steal stuff. No we call you 'hydraulics' because you spring leaks all over the place. Youse guys ever hear of a latrine?"
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 08:16 PM (llXky)

please tell me what thats from.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 08:17 PM (bgJ0E)

199 191 How did the shooter know the door was open? Did he go door to door testing?
Posted by: Ciampino at May 29, 2022 07:57 PM (qfLjt)

It had been *propped open*.
Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 08:14 PM (f4IaF)

this is a case where smoking really did kill

Posted by: REDACTED at May 29, 2022 08:17 PM (us2H3)

200 Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2022 08:07 PM (9otr5)

Just checked on SG Ammo. .44 Special has come down in price a bit. It's now $1.50 a round instead of the $1.75 the last time I looked.

Posted by: Ed L at May 29, 2022 08:17 PM (/lmRp)

201 How did the shooter know the door was open? Did he go door to door testing?

*

Probably readily visible - it was propped open and most likely opens outward due to fire codes in a high occupancy building.

Cops were prolly looking at the door going, "I wonder if he went in there?"... scratches skull.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 29, 2022 08:18 PM (+bokN)

202 Weasel! Horde! I bought a Rock Island 1911 this week (on sale for $400 at Sportsman's). Have not tried it out yet. I want to clean it first, but have never cleaned a pistol on my own before. Can anyone recommend a good YouToob video for cleaning a 1911? I'm a short bus student with anything mechanical.

Posted by: screaming in digital at May 29, 2022 08:18 PM (pkAcY)

203 Oh well time to survey the stalled A-4 projects to see if I can cannibalize them to quickly build A-4E "Black 55" that was Michael Ironside's plane in Top Gun.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2022 08:12 PM (hBR2w)
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I refuse to see the sequel because I know that the military portrayed in it is a lie. It is as real as Hogwarts.

And yes, I am a bitter short-timer counting the days until I can retire, thanks for asking.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 08:18 PM (llXky)

204 sra blaster and a few of us were shooting her P365. She has lost her mojo with it. I have lost my mojo with it. Ed L was following our lead and shooting low with it. But then he figured it out and got his rounds on target. Not sure what is going on with it. Going to break out the iTargetPro and see if we can diagnose.

Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2022 08:18 PM (9otr5)

205 I haven't done much with the arsenal lately but did order a new 6" cross slide vise for my drill press to replace the crappy 4" one I've suffered with for years. It was not going to be up to the task for some upcoming projects.

Posted by: fd at May 29, 2022 08:18 PM (vrz2I)

206 ZULU = UTC
right?
Posted by: DB at May 29, 2022 08:14 PM

Correctomundo.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2022 08:19 PM (a3Q+t)

207 Deplorable SOB @ 83 - Walter Craig in Selma. I grew up in Selma. haven't been back in 30 years or so. First gun purchase was a Rem 270 BDL from W Craig in about '76.
Last time I was in Selma, took a Beretta OU to Walker Arms(?) out on West 80 to have a pad installed. Stock had been damaged and I refinished. Ramsey Knight and McCulloch (head gunsmith) looked it over, asked who refinished and then offered me a job on the spot. My happiest career day. I turned them down due to earnings potential, but offer is still a source of pride. Thanks for the reviving the memories.

Posted by: R Hill at May 29, 2022 08:19 PM (iViqu)

208 Just checked on SG Ammo. .44 Special has come down in price a bit. It's now $1.50 a round instead of the $1.75 the last time I looked.
Posted by: Ed L at May 29, 2022 08:17 PM (/lmRp)

Oof. That is almost .50 BMG price.

Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2022 08:19 PM (9otr5)

209 Iris, congrats on the Buckmark UDX. And in rosewood/blue, no less? Score!

If you can get some CCI .22 ammo for it, use that for the first 200 rds. of break-in. The Brownings run the CCI like they were made for each other. The "green gun" Browning was getting broken in with lesser ammo, which resulted in some functioning hiccups until well over 100 rds. into things. But, it was still fun and accurate, and hey, malf drills galore!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 29, 2022 08:19 PM (QzJWU)

210 Bill Wilson has a good 1911 cleaning video on YouTube.

Posted by: Nevada Dave at May 29, 2022 08:19 PM (3DzQz)

211 Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 08:06 PM (U2p+3)

It was an emergency exit door, it seems. (Evidently, one without an alarm.) There is NO way back in once it closes. So, you prop it open to run and get your phone out of your car.

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 08:19 PM (f4IaF)

212 Bonus question:

Michael Ironside's callsign was-

Posted by: DB at May 29, 2022 08:19 PM (geLO8)

213 please tell me what thats from.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 08:17 PM (bgJ0E)
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I just made it up. I'm like a writer and stuff.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 08:20 PM (llXky)

214 they know who propped the door open but they ain't saying

the teachers probably had a piece of wood or something by the door and went out there to smoke and nasty phone conversations with their boyfriends

Posted by: REDACTED at May 29, 2022 08:20 PM (us2H3)

215 A.H Lloyd, Fightertown Decals did produce a sheet for the new movie, it is sold out.

Got Super Bugs, Growlers, and Tomcats on the sheet.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2022 08:20 PM (hBR2w)

216 Sorry but the Uvalde cowards weren't scared of being Chauvin'd.

They were scared of getting shot.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 29, 2022 08:21 PM (KiBMU)

217 @180 - Thanks again, GWB.

Weasel, thanks as always for this outstanding forum. Your efforts and attitude are greatly appreciated.

Posted by: Matthew Kant Cipher at May 29, 2022 08:21 PM (kb51C)

218 sra blaster and a few of us were shooting her P365. She has lost her mojo with it. I have lost my mojo with it. Ed L was following our lead and shooting low with it. But then he figured it out and got his rounds on target. Not sure what is going on with it. Going to break out the iTargetPro and see if we can diagnose.

Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2022 08:18 PM

Trigger reset. Don't let the trigger go all of the way forward after you shoot. Stop the trigger right after the reset happens and put the next round on target. I pulled my groups from way low left to just a bit low left in the same hole at 7 yards riding the trigger reset.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 29, 2022 08:21 PM (bVYXr)

219 Posted by: screaming in digital at May 29, 2022 08:18 PM (pkAcY)
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Nice! Congratulations!!!!!!! I'm sure a quick YouTube search will turn up all sorts of step-by-step vids. If not, drop me a line!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 08:21 PM (U1ErS)

220 And yet, I've never heard a Digger say anything good about a Kiwi.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2022 08:17 PM (a3Q+t)

Do not start me about those bar stewards.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 08:21 PM (bgJ0E)

221 Jim, I've got CCI for Iris. That's all I use in the G44 and shoots every time. I have lead nose and copper.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 29, 2022 08:21 PM (Y+l9t)

222 hiya

Posted by: JT at May 29, 2022 08:22 PM (arJlL)

223 187 Eromero (VF84 Jolly Rogers 68-89-70
Posted by: Eromero at May 29, 2022 07:55 PM (0OP+5)

Those your measurements, Eromero?
Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 08:13 PM (f4IaF)
Nope. WildTurkey 101 and fat fingers. 68-69-70 it was.
F4Js Independence and FDR.

Posted by: Eromero at May 29, 2022 08:22 PM (0OP+5)

224 202 Weasel! Horde! I bought a Rock Island 1911 this week (on sale for $400 at Sportsman's). Have not tried it out yet. I want to clean it first, but have never cleaned a pistol on my own before. Can anyone recommend a good YouToob video for cleaning a 1911? I'm a short bus student with anything mechanical.
Posted by: screaming in digital

I have that same pistol! It has a great trigger and it feels so good in my hands.... I'm so happy for you! Field stripping is a pia. But. Once you've done it a dozen or so times, you still put marks on the ceiling, but that's ok.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 08:22 PM (U2p+3)

225 WAs there not one breaching shotgun in that whole group?
Posted by: Eromero at May 29, 2022 08:09 PM (0OP+5)

These are security doors (on the classroom, not the exterior door) designed to keep someone with a gun OUT. They are steel, with steel frames around where the locks and hinges are.

And they are THE solution for keeping your kids out of harm's way when there's an active shooter.

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 08:23 PM (f4IaF)

226 Michael Ironside's callsign was-

Posted by: DB at May 29, 2022 08:19 PM (geLO

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Please. I actually met Jim Cash, who wrote the script. He used to teach a film class at Michigan State. He was very supportive of the East Lansing High School theater program, and in the spring of my senior year I decided to try out for a part in the (wait for it) high school musical.

It was some weird Robin Hood thing (that being popular at the time) and I was the only one of the Sheriff's Men who had a speaking part.

Theater chicks are at the extreme end of the hot/crazy matric, btw. Very hot, very crazy.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 08:23 PM (llXky)

227 @183 - awesome! Just bought a few snap caps, but hadn't heard of the penny drill. Looking forward to trying it!

Posted by: Matthew Kant Cipher at May 29, 2022 08:23 PM (kb51C)

228 Posted by: Matthew Kant Cipher at May 29, 2022 08:21 PM (kb51C)
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My pleasure.

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 08:23 PM (U1ErS)

229 Evening, Weasel, and gub 'ettes and 'rons! Thanks for your thoughts on Uvalde -- I have nothing to add to what Jim SND posted above. Stack up and go in until the threat is neutralized, don't give us excuses.

We lost almost 3,000 on 9/11 because of poor airport and cockpit security; we hardened those and have lost no more to that particular form of attack. Schools need to be hardened likewise with an unknown number of armed inhabitants to stop these mass killings.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at May 29, 2022 08:23 PM (v23vE)

230 Late to the thread, great one, as usual, weasel.

No range time, due to emergency trip to CA and being under the weather. Hopefully, I'll stop trying to get rid of a lung the hard way and get to shooting this next week.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 08:23 PM (5pTK/)

231 they know who propped the door open but they ain't saying

the teachers probably had a piece of wood or something by the door and went out there to smoke and nasty phone conversations with their boyfriends

Posted by: REDACTED at May 29, 2022 08:20 PM

Yep, they used that door for all kinds of "unofficial" stuff and they forgot it was propped open after the school went on lock down and we have 19 dead kids because of that.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 29, 2022 08:23 PM (bVYXr)

232 Weasel! Horde! I bought a Rock Island 1911 this week (on sale for $400 at Sportsman's). Have not tried it out yet. I want to clean it first, but have never cleaned a pistol on my own before. Can anyone recommend a good YouToob video for cleaning a 1911? I'm a short bus student with anything mechanical.
Posted by: screaming in digital at May 29, 2022 08:18 PM

SiD, Bill Wilson knows 1911s, try this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW1pJvi5yIw

If that seems too much, let me know. (Ck your email)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2022 08:23 PM (a3Q+t)

233 SiD
Brownells which is a premier site to buy for all things that go bang has this on the 1911, it is a 4 pt. series of short you tube videos, this is pt. 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3t2XhniaJQ

Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 08:23 PM (Iq9dF)

234 I just made it up. I'm like a writer and stuff.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 08:20 PM (llXky)

Almost makes me wish I could read.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 08:24 PM (bgJ0E)

235 Trigger reset. Don't let the trigger go all of the way forward after you shoot. Stop the trigger right after the reset happens and put the next round on target. I pulled my groups from way low left to just a bit low left in the same hole at 7 yards riding the trigger reset.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 29, 2022 08:21 PM (bVYXr)

Sounds plausible. We have been switching up what we are shooting. Unfortunately we won't be able to diagnose that with the laser.

Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2022 08:24 PM (9otr5)

236
Reinforced hallway door is for egress only, locked from outside, alarmed on the inside.
Teacher should have triggered alarm when using door.

Teacher should have unblocked open door.
Teacher should have pulled emergency alarm upon seeing armed assailant on campus.
Teacher should have redirected all evacuating students to other designated emergency exits.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 29, 2022 08:24 PM (BP3/z)

237

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2022 08:24 PM (a3Q+t)

238 Regarding the 6.8 SPC, in reading the ballistics on the round, it appears it will not be the barrel burner the 556 is. However, recoil is probably going to be an issue, and, follow up shots may be problematic. which, in combat, could be a serious issue. Granted, the military could go back to actually training riflemen, rather than pursuing the proper pronoun, but, in this day and age, I don't see it changing in the near future.

My .02, and, even that's a bit inflated.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 08:24 PM (5pTK/)

239 I won't answer that trivia question since it is printed on this decal sheet.

The A-4K fuselage and cockpit can be used since not put the avionics hump on it yet. But since I glued the slats in the up position, will need to steal the unbuilt wing from another Hasegawa A-4E/F.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2022 08:24 PM (hBR2w)

240 Hey...how much did Joe tell us we saved on our 4 July cookouts last year?....$0.16?...don't think we'll see that this year.

Posted by: BignJames at May 29, 2022 08:24 PM (AwYPR)

241 was an emergency exit door, it seems. (Evidently, one without an alarm.) There is NO way back in once it closes. So, you prop it open to run and get your phone out of your car.

*

While an active shooter had been outside popping off 223 rounds for twelve minutes.

Be right back, kids! I need to text my boo!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the CEO of Moderna acknowledged the presence of patented sequence in Covid-19 at May 29, 2022 08:24 PM (rjyzh)

242 216 Sorry but the Uvalde cowards weren't scared of being Chauvin'd.

They were scared of getting shot.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 29, 2022 08:21 PM (KiBMU)

everyone of them were afraid ??

not one hero

yeah, right

Posted by: REDACTED at May 29, 2022 08:25 PM (us2H3)

243 Iris!!! Great news!

Posted by: screaming in digital at May 29, 2022 08:25 PM (pkAcY)

244 Got Super Bugs, Growlers, and Tomcats on the sheet.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2022 08:20 PM (hBR2w)
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The Tomcat was da bomb. I'm sure you know but when the original was released, it was literally weeks after another clash with Libya. Talk about "torn from the headlines" timing.

The 80s were awesome.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 08:25 PM (llXky)

245 right?
Posted by: DB at May 29, 2022 08:14 PM (geLO

Right.

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 08:26 PM (f4IaF)

246 Deplorable SOB cheered me up. I have been reloading last 2 weeks or so. Using up some older components from the 80's and 90's. With current inflation and seeming destruction of the US, feeling a bit angry.
Pulled a few prices
Win 760 $13.95
IMR 4320 $10.95
IMR 4895 from 90's $14.99 and $15.95
Unique $12.50
Sierra 257 90 gr BTHP $11.75.
All these were bought from local small town outdoor stores. Couple of above were from an expensive store
for the time.
Ain't happening today.

Posted by: R Hill at May 29, 2022 08:26 PM (iViqu)

247 didn't someone all plans go to shit when the shooting starts

Posted by: REDACTED at May 29, 2022 08:26 PM (us2H3)

248 Won't be around next week {pauses to let the sobbing die down} because I'm attending a ECQC course at my local freedom store. I figure a little more humility about skills I don't have, or need to have more of, is good for the soul.

Not my soul, mind, but somebody's.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at May 29, 2022 08:27 PM (v23vE)

249 By the way, I see people are asking a couple of very pertinent questions, which are: How did the nutjob, who wasn't employed, get a couple of expensive rifles and an expensive truck?

It also appears the maniac was another "known wolf." Yeah, raise your hand if you're shocked at the idea the nutter was well known to LEO.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 08:27 PM (5pTK/)

250 Viper.

Posted by: Eromero at May 29, 2022 08:28 PM (0OP+5)

251 A. H. Lloyd I a decal sheet for Fast Eagle 101 and Fast Eagle 107 of VF-41 when they splashed those two Libyan Sukhois. And a Tamiya F-14A that will sport the markings of either 102, 101, or 107*.

*Those who know the story know why there are three numbers.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2022 08:28 PM (hBR2w)

252 Now sra blaster is jealous of the XL.

We may have to send her slide out to get milled to get her an optic.

Also, I have tracked down an adapter plate for the Ruger P95. They are next on the list.

Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2022 08:28 PM (9otr5)

253 I wanna see Beto show up in the Chicago lawless Shithole murder capitol of the world and shout at the top of his lungs:
"I'm Beto and I'm here to take your guns away from you"

Posted by: Jeff Gillooly at May 29, 2022 08:28 PM (z9V4B)

254 Iris! sid!
Ladies, y'all freaking ROCK!

Buying guns, sweet ladies like yourselves, what will the neighbors think?

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 08:29 PM (U2p+3)

255 Watched a youtube vid today and can't find it to watch again.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 29, 2022 08:10 PM (KiBMU)

I get that crap from YT all the time. It keeps showing me vids I have no interest in for days at a time, but I start to watch one, and then can't finish, it's never seen again.

Anyway, check your browser history.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 29, 2022 08:29 PM (7bRMQ)

256 Posted by: R Hill at May 29, 2022 08:26 PM (iViqu)
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Howdy and welcome R Hill!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 08:29 PM (U1ErS)

257 Also, I have tracked down an adapter plate for the Ruger P95. They are next on the list.

*

Ooh, link please or company name?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the CEO of Moderna acknowledged the presence of patented sequence in Covid-19 at May 29, 2022 08:30 PM (rjyzh)

258 Furthermore,
The most common issue with new firearms is that often the barrel has shipping grease in it so it does not rust.

Simply take a dry patch on your cleaning rod and attach the clean dry cleaning patch through the loop or use a piercing type jag sized for a 45 and pierce the center of the dry patch. Swab the barrel from the end of the bore (the danger end) to the breech (where the bullet firing chamber is). If greasy crud is on the patch, then use a wet patch and run it down the barrel with bore solvent for grease and powder residue of your choice: Hoppes 9, Butch's Bore Shine, or some of the newer bio friendly types like Bore Viper that do not stink very much. Then run a dry patch down to check to see if you have not missed anything. If you have, then another wet patch and so on.

Should not need to break out the bore brush.

Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 08:30 PM (Iq9dF)

259 Posted by: screaming in digital at May 29, 2022 08:18 PM (pkAcY)

Hickock 45 has a short video on how to clean a 1911 model pistol. But if you can only spare ten minutes to do something quick, I recommend:
- Run a brush and cleaning patch w/ oil down the barrel a few times.
- Lubricate the rails the slide moves on and any other place where you have metal on metal contact between moving parts.
- Wipe away any carbon/dirt on the feed ramp.
- Brush and wipe away dirt/residue on the breech block (rear of chamber, where the firing pin hole is) and the extractor.

Hope this helps.

Posted by: Ed L at May 29, 2022 08:30 PM (/lmRp)

260 Thanks as always Mr Weasel. Look forward to our time together with the crew each week,

Posted by: R Hill at May 29, 2022 08:31 PM (iViqu)

261 Just a reminder that the DMV MGC is planning on shooting the day after the VA MoMe. If you are interested in meeting up at our range, email me for details. There may be some minimal costs, but will need to know ahead of time who wants to join us.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 29, 2022 08:31 PM (Y+l9t)

262 A. H. Lloyd I a decal sheet for Fast Eagle 101 and Fast Eagle 107 of VF-41 when they splashed those two Libyan Sukhois. And a Tamiya F-14A that will sport the markings of either 102, 101, or 107*.

*Those who know the story know why there are three numbers.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2022 08:28 PM (hBR2w)
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You could make a cool commemorative display for the 110th Wing with a unit crest on the base and then nothing on the pedestal.

Because we lost our aircraft years ago. Sad.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 08:31 PM (llXky)

263 in fairness, m5 is a stupid gun

Posted by: confederatefifth at May 29, 2022 08:31 PM (j+yRn)

264 the people poisoning our young aduts are way too powerful and they control the means of communication and congress

the tech giants, TV, vid games companies, etc are all happy to have the guns blamed for this

Posted by: REDACTED at May 29, 2022 08:32 PM (us2H3)

265 Rock Island 1911 and a good deal! Totally jealous!

*fist bump* Sid!

Posted by: Soon to be a gun owner, Iris at May 29, 2022 08:32 PM (foa6+)

266 Can anyone recommend a good YouToob video for cleaning a 1911?

Posted by: screaming in digital at May 29, 2022 08:18 PM (pkAcY)

Look for ones on how to break down (or "take down" or "disassemble") the 1911. If it's a full-size ("GI") you shouldn't have any trouble finding a bunch.

With the 1911, I'll say you shouldn't have to do much: put a small amount of cleaner in the barrel, run a brass brush through it a few times, then swab it out with patches until they come out clean. Then use those patches or a toothbrush and put a little cleaner on it and hit the ramp, the recoil spring and the thingy inside that (is it a buffer on a 1911?).

If, OTOH, you have a 1911 officer, and it has the bushless barrel, you will have a harder time finding videos on breaking it down properly. Since I use private browsing for most of my gun stuff, I can't even tell where I found decent ones.

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 08:33 PM (f4IaF)

267 Just checked on SG Ammo. .44 Special has come down in price a bit. It's now $1.50 a round instead of the $1.75 the last time I looked.

Posted by: Ed L at May 29, 2022 08:17 PM (/lmRp)

Friggin' cowboy shooters.

Posted by: BignJames at May 29, 2022 08:33 PM (AwYPR)

268 Which 100th?

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2022 08:33 PM (hBR2w)

269 nope

Posted by: DB at May 29, 2022 08:33 PM (geLO8)

270 Sorry but the Uvalde cowards weren't scared of being Chauvin'd.

They were scared of getting shot.
Posted by: Mr Gaga

The only ones in were protecting there own and surely grabbed the rest in their kids class while they were in.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 29, 2022 08:34 PM (6egmY)

271 Jester.

Posted by: Pete Bog at May 29, 2022 08:34 PM (Jzz++)

272 238 Regarding the 6.8 SPC, in reading the ballistics on the round, it appears it will not be the barrel burner the 556 is. However, recoil is probably going to be an issue, and, follow up shots may be problematic. which, in combat, could be a serious issue. Granted, the military could go back to actually training riflemen, rather than pursuing the proper pronoun, but, in this day and age, I don't see it changing in the near future.

My .02, and, even that's a bit inflated.

Posted by: blake
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Blake, 6.8 SPC is NOT what the military will be using. It is the 277 Sig Fury (SAAMI name--military has other nomenclature (6.8x51 is the measurement) which tops out at about 80k psi and pushes a 140gr bullet to about 3000 fps) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.277_Fury

Much, much, hotter than the 6.8 SPC which is a good hunting round btw.

Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 08:34 PM (Iq9dF)

273 Ooh, link please or company name?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - the CEO of Moderna acknowledged the presence of patented sequence in Covid-19 at May 29, 2022 08:30 PM (rjyzh)

EWG - this link should take you right to their selection:

https://tinyurl.com/2zxw59bz

They have 4 different footprints. They are pricier than what you could find for a Glock - they are 49.99 from EWG direct but you can find them on optics planet etc for 44.99. Make sure you know the footprint you want.

Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2022 08:34 PM (9otr5)

274 Re-assembling a 1911, with standard guide rod & spring.

Hold the slide upside down. Seat the barrel, and insert and turn-in the barrel bushing. Seat the recoil spring capture tube onto the forward end of the recoil spring, and seat the "button" end of the tube into the bushing, from the rear-underside of the barrel. Seat the guide rod into the rear of the recoil spring, and gently compressing the spring, seat the convex portion of the guide rod onto the underside of the barrel, and slowly release pressure until it seats against it's "shoulder" under the barrel.

Next, using your thumb to keep the spring in place against the barrel, rotate the assembly into the upright position. Orient the barrel link to be straight-down with the hole fully visible. Carefully work slide onto frame and move rearward, till the barrel link hole is visible through the takedown pin (slide release) hole in the frame. Insert slide release till it bears against frame mounted spring plunger. Using small knife blade, compress said plunger pin, which will allow the slide stop to seat home against the plunger pin.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 29, 2022 08:34 PM (QzJWU)

275 >.If, OTOH, you have a 1911 officer, and it has the bushless barrel, you will have a harder time finding videos on breaking it down properly.

I have a Ruger SR1911 Officer
took some practice to learn how to break it open, but I got it

Posted by: DB at May 29, 2022 08:35 PM (geLO8)

276 When the killer is pat of the Democrat coalition he is a lone Wolf. When the killer is a white male is part of a Nationwide white supremacist movement.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 29, 2022 08:35 PM (PLQCb)

277 Jester.

Posted by: Pete Bog at May 29, 2022 08:34 PM (Jzz++)
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"Maverick, didn't you hear the call of 'no joy, no joy'?"

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 08:35 PM (llXky)

278 Pet Bog come on down and pick up the keys to your new Buick!

Posted by: DB at May 29, 2022 08:35 PM (geLO8)

279 Pete Bog!

(who has a pet bog?)

Posted by: DB at May 29, 2022 08:36 PM (geLO8)

280 From memory didn’t the 2NZEF have something like the biggest bar and canteen on their base in North Africa that was looted by the SAS when they were setting up? I remember chatting with some old fellas who were in the LRDG back in the day and had some interesting stories to tell also.

Wish I’d had the chance to pick my grandads brain about his wartime experiences as a RNZAF spitfire pilot in the Battle of Britain but he passed in the late 80s when I was in diapers… lest we forget

Posted by: Anzac at May 29, 2022 08:36 PM (Pcgiw)

281 68-69-70 it was.

Posted by: Eromero at May 29, 2022 08:22 PM (0OP+5)

Aha! Makes more sense.

My uncle flew A4Js I think. Would have been around 71-75 at a guess. Never got carrier qual'ed.

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 08:37 PM (f4IaF)

282 Congrats, SID and Iris! Love that new gun smell....

Posted by: Matthew Kant Cipher at May 29, 2022 08:37 PM (kb51C)

283 nurse, you are a class act, darlin

Posted by: Ben Had at May 29, 2022 08:37 PM (m07mU)

284 Re the Cali melting point thing. Would titanium be considered a prohibited alloy? I say this as we are about to start making 1911's again in Ti (except for the barrels of course) and start to market them in TX, so no problem there, but had not heard of the Cali melting point issue. Any one able to fill me in?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 08:37 PM (bgJ0E)

285 Would the Trijicon TA-31 optic make sense on an M1A? Asking for myself

is it mountable?

Posted by: Anzac at May 29, 2022 08:38 PM (Pcgiw)

286 I remember when 45's were records.

Posted by: Miley the duchess at May 29, 2022 08:38 PM (Mzdiz)

287 EGW not EWG. Gah. I even went to the correct site to get the url.

There is another - J-Point. A little cheaper, but only comes in one footprint.

Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2022 08:39 PM (9otr5)

288 Which 100th?

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2022 08:33 PM (hBR2w)
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The 110th Wing. Battle Creek ANGB. Formerly 110th Fighter Wing, 110th Airlift Wing, 110th Attack Wing.

Now just 110th Wing. A couple of years back some A-10s flew over (I think it was for 9/11) and everyone got really somber, because those were our aircraft, that we'd lost.

I always planned on doing a sequel to Three Weeks with the Coasties: A Tale of Disaster and also an Oil Spill that followed TSgt March's further career and I was going to call it "They Took Our Planes Away."

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 08:40 PM (llXky)

289 How did the nutjob, who wasn't employed, get a couple of expensive rifles and an expensive truck?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 08:27 PM (5pTK/)

Actually, he WAS employed. He worked at Wendy's - evidently until he had enough money for the rifles, then quit.

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 08:41 PM (f4IaF)

290 I had a buddy who was a squadron commander of Strike Eagles at Mountain Home Idaho. I joked with him what his next transition was going to be, drones or Airbus?

He said they'll never take our planes away.

Six month later he got orders to close his squadron.

Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2022 08:41 PM (9otr5)

291 So. I was practice carrying my G42 today.
I wore it in my belly bad to the grocery store. It's 50 and raining here, so I was wearing trousers with a sweater and a raincoat. Easily concealed. My only concern was when I was reaching up high for some spicy brown mustard on an upper shelf.

I got home and a friend called me to say she was on the beach with her boys. I unloaded my groceries and went out to meet her without discarding my pistol. I KNOW she'd freak if she knew I had a gun on me, so it was a test. I did fine. We hung out and played with her boys and yapped for a couple hours.

Came home and took off the gun. Feeling better about it becoming a part of me. Still need more time.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 08:42 PM (U2p+3)

292 Jester?

Posted by: Eromero at May 29, 2022 08:42 PM (0OP+5)

293 I gotta say the Cigar Vixen has some good music going on.
Posted by: Eromero at May 29, 2022 07:33 PM (0OP+5)

She needs a good sound editor. Cut way back on the incidental background noise, except when the noise is relevant to the video. Maybe she could get a noise-cancelling throat mike. A little more background would be nice, too. Presumably the Rocky Patel farm is in Esteli. How far is Esteli from Managua, for those flying in who wish to visit?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 29, 2022 08:42 PM (AUeFs)

294 Actually, he WAS employed. He worked at Wendy's - evidently until he had enough money for the rifles, then quit.
Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 08:41 PM (f4IaF)

Another reason not to pay them $15/hr

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 29, 2022 08:42 PM (CfLd+)

295 I'd like to thank the academy, my family and a memory that's not good for much these days but trivia.

Couldn't remember lunch but obscure 80's movie stuff, no problem

Posted by: Pete Bog at May 29, 2022 08:43 PM (Jzz++)

296 I've been dragooned into speaking at a Memorial Day event tomorrow, and that sentiment is being worked into my remarks.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 29, 2022 07:53 PM (RkC6l)

Speak from the heart.
Give them a voice.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 29, 2022 08:44 PM (anj39)

297 Blake, 6.8 SPC is NOT what the military will be using. It is the 277 Sig Fury (SAAMI name--military has other nomenclature (6.8x51 is the measurement) which tops out at about 80k psi and pushes a 140gr bullet to about 3000 fps) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.277_Fury

Much, much, hotter than the 6.8 SPC which is a good hunting round btw.
Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 08:34 PM (Iq9dF)
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Okay, my mistake. No idea where I got the idea the military had gone with the 6.8 SPC.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 08:44 PM (5pTK/)

298 Posted by: Anzac at May 29, 2022 08:38 PM (Pcgiw)

I think the bullet drop compensator markings on the TA-31 model of the ACOG are calibrated for 5.56mm "green tip" ammo. I'm sure there are other ACOG's calibrated for 7.62 NATO, but I don't know which ones they are. All ACOGs come with GI standard 1913 rail compatible mounts.

Posted by: Ed L at May 29, 2022 08:45 PM (/lmRp)

299 Actually, he WAS employed. He worked at Wendy's - evidently until he had enough money for the rifles, then quit.
Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 08:41 PM (f4IaF)
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Well, answers that question. I was under the impression the nutjob was an underemployed loser with rage issues.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 08:45 PM (5pTK/)

300 Nurse! Latest purchase is partly based on your mentions of this gun awhile ago.

I'm not quite ready to give up on my P365, as I recently learned some new things to try from some excellent coaches, but if I decide to sell maybe we should talk!

Posted by: screaming in digital at May 29, 2022 08:46 PM (pkAcY)

301 I ordered grips for a Ruger flattop 357 this week. Texas Grips gets good reviews on The High Road and I've wanted better grips for some time. The ones that came with it are some plastic junk made to look like horn or antler. They were popular in the 1950s for some reason. The new grips are holly, which is white and resembles ivory. It should look great against the deep blue finish Ruger used on those early Blackhawks.

Posted by: JTB at May 29, 2022 08:46 PM (7EjX1)

302 Viper was the commander.

First flight maverick and goose pursued jester below the hard deck, got a kill, buzzed the tower and got a reprimand.

Posted by: Pete Bog at May 29, 2022 08:47 PM (Jzz++)

303 Okay, my mistake. No idea where I got the idea the military had gone with the 6.8 SPC.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 08:44 PM

Because that was what was reported on a number of websites and youtube channels when the news first came out.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 29, 2022 08:47 PM (bVYXr)

304 had not heard of the Cali melting point issue. Any one able to fill me in?
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 08:37 PM (bgJ0E)

I think titanium should be good. It has a moderately high melting point, I think. The ban is on weapon parts that melt -below- something like 800F. (Yeah, titanium is around 3,000F after looking it up.)

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 08:47 PM (f4IaF)

305 I used to go with my Father every Memorial Day to the military cemetery in our town as part of his duty as VFW commandant and his Post doing flag placements and ceremony . Now he's buried in the same cemetery.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 29, 2022 08:49 PM (CfLd+)

306 Feeling better about it becoming a part of me.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 08:42 PM (U2p+3)

Good.

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 08:49 PM (f4IaF)

307 Thanks for the Gun Thread Weasel!

Posted by: DBCooper at May 29, 2022 08:49 PM (4QEDB)

308 I like to read The Gettysburg Address on Memorial Day.

This year, though, I think we need Lincoln's Second Inaugural speech more.

Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2022 08:50 PM (9otr5)

309 think titanium should be good. It has a moderately high melting point, I think. The ban is on weapon parts that melt -below- something like 800F. (Yeah, titanium is around 3,000F after looking it up.)
Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 08:47 PM (f4IaF)

Cool, thank you.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 08:50 PM (bgJ0E)

310 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 08:44 PM (5pTK/)

6.8 SPC and 6.5 Grendel got some Army attention about ten years ago when the Army looked at alternatives to the M855 "green tip" ammo's reported poor performance in dropping bad guys when used in the M4. The Army chose the M855A1 (steel tip, copper slug vice the steel penetrator and lead slug) instead of rechambering existing weapons.

Posted by: Ed L at May 29, 2022 08:50 PM (/lmRp)

311 Posted by: DBCooper at May 29, 2022 08:49 PM (4QEDB)
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Happy to do it!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 08:50 PM (0IeYL)

312 Thanks for all the advice! The Horde never disappoints! I bookmarked this thread so I can find it again. I'll let you know how it turns out...

Posted by: screaming in digital at May 29, 2022 08:51 PM (pkAcY)

313 NZFrank, this should be something that can get you started.

https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/search

It used to cost $10K per model to get certified. (A 1911, Commander, and Officer's would be 3 models. I'm not sure if steel/stainless steel wouldn't make for 2 models).

California sucks.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2022 08:51 PM (a3Q+t)

314 NZFrank,
Here is a law review article discussing melting point laws
https://tinyurl.com/yrpnffpn

In California, I believe it is a specific statute as it was in other states primarily to prevent non-ferrous metals from being used, particularly Zamak type alloys. Usual melting point requirement from other states with such laws was between 800-1000 F.

Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 08:51 PM (Iq9dF)

315 The progs intentionally obscure the definition of a school shooting to overstate the frequdncy. If it is defined as at least three fatalities inflicted during school, there have been only 13 since 1966 (starting with the famous Texas Tower shootings), not the 27 alleged to have occurred so far this year.

Definition of "School Shooting" Recently Changed to Make Them Seem More Frequent

https://bit.ly/3z4CoCq

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 29, 2022 08:53 PM (FVME7)

316 Posted by: R Hill at May 29, 2022 08:19 PM (iViqu)

My very first deer rifle was a Model 1893 Argentine Mauser Carbine in 7X57 from Walter Craig when I was 12 yo. Dad "sporterized" it for me (mainly some stock work and commercial sights). It's in my gun cabinet behind me as I type this.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at May 29, 2022 08:53 PM (dVlo/)

317 ..I used to go with my Father every Memorial Day to the military cemetery in our town as part of his duty as VFW commandant and his Post doing flag placements and ceremony . Now he's buried in the same cemetery.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 29, 2022 08:49 PM (CfLd+)

In honor of your Father, and to those who gave all.

https://tinyurl.com/2kkj5sac

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 29, 2022 08:53 PM (QzJWU)

318 Going about one's regular business seems to be a much scarier proposition than it used to be.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 29, 2022 08:54 PM (Y+l9t)

319 Yay P229! Great duty/off duty firearm. 13 rounds of .40 in the same overall size of a 2.5 inch S&W K frame revolver. Go to the head of the class. My employer reeled them back in with no purchase option, darn it. Sooo, I picked up the 226 offered for replacement.

Posted by: Holy Crap at May 29, 2022 08:54 PM (glGDV)

320 I keep seeing on various websites the opinion that there is some huge learning curve to an optic on a handgun, and that it takes a long time to acquire the dot etc.

I say bullhockey. It doesn't take long, and once you get it you get it. The ability to put the gun back on target is not even a comparison.

Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2022 08:54 PM (9otr5)

321 GOP Rep. Jacobs Says He'd Vote for Assault Weapons Ban

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Stunning and brave.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 29, 2022 08:54 PM (FVME7)

322 Gun thread!

Picked up a Staccato 2001 P today. Can't wait to shoot it!

Also smoked a Plasencia Alma Del Campo - man, what a smooth stogie. Two hours of pure pleasure!

Posted by: pilot141 at May 29, 2022 08:54 PM (JlOBj)

323 https://gunfreezone.net/
mother-had-more-balls-than-the-cops-at-uvalde/

Hope I didn't break something with the link, but one parent got her's out.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 29, 2022 08:54 PM (Bzzt+)

324 pilot141 you’ll love the Stacatto p

Posted by: Nevada Dave at May 29, 2022 08:56 PM (3DzQz)

325 The DOJ is going to investigate Uvalde

expect a politically-motivated finding

Posted by: DB at May 29, 2022 08:57 PM (geLO8)

326 Hope I didn't break something with the link

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 29, 2022 08:54 PM (Bzzt+)

The advice is to use a url-shortening service, so you always get a url that fits in a short space.

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 08:58 PM (f4IaF)

327 Speak from the heart.
Give them a voice.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 29, 2022 08:44 PM

*nods*

No other way .

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 29, 2022 08:58 PM (RkC6l)

328 All of us down at the Brattleborro Womins Reproductive Center wants to wish Presdent Obama a Happy Memorial Day. We miss you and stills love you !!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at May 29, 2022 08:58 PM (bJ/+W)

329 Okay, just did a quick read up on the Sig 277 Fury, and, that round is probably going to make the throat erosion problems of the 22-250 seem trivial.

The article I read seems to indicate the reason for the round is defeating body armor, which, I'm guessing means level three plate armor.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 08:58 PM (5pTK/)

330 As near as I can tell Sig has not made the P365 itself in an optic ready version. BUT, the same size slide is used in the P365 X which is optic ready. AND - they have a P365-380 (which shoots, oddly enough, .380) and it is also optic ready.

Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2022 08:58 PM (9otr5)

331 The Uvalde school's Chief of Police, who was just elected to the City Council, apparently donated to Beto in 2017.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2022 08:58 PM (a3Q+t)

332 The DOJ is going to investigate Uvalde

expect a politically-motivated finding
Posted by: DB at May 29, 2022 08:57 PM (geLO

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Man, no kidding.

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 08:58 PM (0IeYL)

333 Okay, my mistake. No idea where I got the idea the military had gone with the 6.8 SPC. Posted by: blake
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Not an issue Blake. As others note, journalists including many 'gun industry' types often get confused on technical issues.
The 6.8 SPC was developed originally for use by SOCOM as a harder hitting, longer range, cartridge that fit in the AR frame. Unfortunately, that was about the time that Remington began to hit the rocks and they actually botched the line drawings for the cartridge so that the approved SAAMI cartridge was a more lackluster performer. That is why there are actually 6.8 SPC Type 1 chambers (now largely extinct in new guns) and Type 2 which rectified what Remington screwed up. But, the kicker is that because chamber 1 is what SAAMI approved, 6.8 SPC is loaded lighter than it needs to be so it can be fired safely in both chambers.

Up to about 4-5 hundred yards, the 6.8 SPC and 6.5 Grendel are more or less equivalent in hitting power, ballistic drop, and so on. After 500, the Grendel takes the lead. But for whatever reason, target shooters went with the Grendel while hunters went with the 6.8 SPC and factory ammo reflects that.

Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 08:59 PM (Iq9dF)

334 RMBS. May I humbly suggest you read the link in my #317? Might be something you can use, there.

You have my permission to use any part, or the whole.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 29, 2022 08:59 PM (QzJWU)

335 Blaster, I'm blushing but I've had some excellent coaching recently and it just all seemed to come together today. I loved that p226. Just heavy enough to negate recoil and the green dot was incredible. Also, the group helped me put about 200 rounds through the G44 which I wanted to shoot today to get prepped for the G48 arriving at the end of the week. Hoped to have it today but 7 day waiting period in MD.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)
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sharon, you're amazing. Send me pics when your new one arrives!

Posted by: screaming in digital at May 29, 2022 09:01 PM (pkAcY)

336 The advice is to use a url-shortening service, so you always get a url that fits in a short space.
Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 08:58 PM (f4IaF)
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Yep. Tinyurl is a good one to try.

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 09:01 PM (0IeYL)

337 Met a guy today who was a DHS LEO and had been brought into the DC area for a few weeks for the Supreme Court. The circumstances of the meet make it relevant to the gub thread.

I figure the court knows what the decision will be. And that upholding Roe v Wade would not need armed protection. FWIW

Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2022 09:01 PM (9otr5)

338 I keep seeing on various websites the opinion that there is some huge learning curve to an optic on a handgun, and that it takes a long time to acquire the dot etc.

I say bullhockey. It doesn't take long, and once you get it you get it. The ability to put the gun back on target is not even a comparison.

I suppose it depends on the optic. I'm running a Triji on an FNX-45 Tactical, and not only does it take time to get the gun initially on target, it is also a perishable skill.

I must leave the weapon cold and practice often, daily from retrieving the weapon from table tops, to wherever so that the time-to-target is minimized. The dot really gets its value from shot placement not from getting an initial bead on center mass.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 29, 2022 09:02 PM (AHeqJ)

339 Late! But just made it.
Life is good!

Posted by: RI Red at May 29, 2022 09:02 PM (blmVn)

340 Posted by: blaster at May 29, 2022 08:18 PM (9otr5)

Blaster, next time you take that P365 to the range, start shooting at 5 yards and see if you can hit at your point of aim. Then move it out the 7 yards and repeat. Move it to 10 yards next. Use paper targets and use different ones for each distance to see if any visible drop in impact of the "beaten zone" is visible. I suspect that the issue is that you're seeing the effect of gravity start to kick in at 10 yards when the rounds are coming out of something as compact as the P365. I've seen something similar happen when shooting my Detective Special and Diamondback when pushing those snubbies to and beyond 10 yards distance.

Posted by: Ed L at May 29, 2022 09:03 PM (/lmRp)

341 The article I read seems to indicate the reason for the round is defeating body armor, which, I'm guessing means level three plate armor. Posted by: blake
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Yes, for projected newest body armor of the Chinese and Russians plus longer distances. What was it that the Sicilian said in the Princess Bride again? Something about land wars in Asia?

The new cartridge will also have hefty muzzle blast, wear out suppressors more quickly, and over double to nearly triple the recoil of the current 5.56 unless they make it a really heavy mutha.

Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 09:03 PM (Iq9dF)

342 Guns!
late, but guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 29, 2022 09:05 PM (xcxpd)

343 And thank you to Whig and Duncanthrax also. Cheers, I thought Ti would be ok but you know, California. When we start getting them to Texas I might see if we can do a few with Ace of Spades slides.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 09:05 PM (bgJ0E)

344 Mary in a gun thread tells me she's got a thing for the Weasel. Perhaps a dream date?

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 29, 2022 09:05 PM (BP3/z)

345 Definition of "School Shooting" Recently Changed to Make Them Seem More Frequent

The Left seems to change definitions of a lot of things for political expediency, never for clarity or for sober analysis.

For example: "Cases" used to have a definition in epidemiology, it no longer has a definition.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 29, 2022 09:06 PM (AHeqJ)

346 The new cartridge will also have hefty muzzle blast, wear out suppressors more quickly, and over double to nearly triple the recoil of the current 5.56 unless they make it a really heavy mutha.

Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 09:03 PM (Iq9dF)
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Yeah, lots of downsides to this, and as a result we're going to have to go back to two classes of weapons because second-line troops are not going to want/need/be able to qualify on it.

But SIG gets paid, so yay!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 09:06 PM (llXky)

347
The new cartridge will also have hefty muzzle blast, wear out suppressors more quickly, and over double to nearly triple the recoil of the current 5.56 unless they make it a really heavy mutha.
Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 09:03 PM (Iq9dF)
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What's funny, is that round it such, you're probably better off to take it without body armor, because it'll punch right on through, unlike the 556.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 09:06 PM (5pTK/)

348 SiD, mutual admiration society. Admire your ambition in learning to clean the new gun. i actually got a hands on lesson on cleaning the G44 and still haven't done it. My excuse is I need to get some Hoppes,but it's really just me procrastinating.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 29, 2022 09:06 PM (Y+l9t)

349
Here's a concise, simple definition of what a "semi-automatic" is:

https://youtu.be/j7sN3qiLjUM?t=74

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at May 29, 2022 09:07 PM (fU7hj)

350 Range report, still mostly doing IDPA Classification drills.
Took El Macho (CZ P07) and Bubba Fly (G17). Shot slightly better with Bubba Fly (down 3 vs down 4 and 5). That might be because I haven't practiced with El Macho for a month or so....skills do atrophy a bit, faster than I'd like.

One handed shooting is still my weak spot. More drills, with .22 and full power loads, trying to get better. Also tried a 'convulsive' or hard grip. It didn't help much but at shorter ranges, it hurt less than expected. I still don't think it's the 'right' grip for me.

More testing and training needed. Still...having fun.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 29, 2022 09:07 PM (xcxpd)

351 That BAR is a thing of beauty.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 29, 2022 09:08 PM (CJsZH)

352 Weasel, Thank you is never enough.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 29, 2022 09:08 PM (m07mU)

353 Well, it's getting to be that time, so I'll sign off. Even though I don't have to get up, I still fall asleep at the same time. Weird.

Thanks, Weasel!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 29, 2022 09:08 PM (llXky)

354 338 I keep seeing on various websites the opinion that there is some huge learning curve to an optic on a handgun, and that it takes a long time to acquire the dot etc
I say bullhockey. It doesn't take long, and once you get it you get it. The ability to put the gun back on target is not even a comparison
I suppose it depends on the optic. I'm running a Triji on an FNX-45 Tactical, and not only does it take time to get the gun initially on target, it is also a perishable skill.

I must leave the weapon cold and practice often, daily from retrieving the weapon from table tops, to wherever so that the time-to-target is minimized. The dot really gets its value from shot placement not from getting an initial bead on center mass.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 29, 2022 09:02 PM (AHeqJ)
I'm having a Leupold put on an FNX45 Tac this week. Can't wait to put rounds through it.

Posted by: Eromero at May 29, 2022 09:08 PM (0OP+5)

355 >.My excuse is I need to get some Hoppes,but it's really just me procrastinating.

Posted by: sharon

you gotta de-grease that piece
keeps it smooth-functioning and daisy fresh

Posted by: DB at May 29, 2022 09:08 PM (geLO8)

356 wear out suppressors more quickly,
Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 09:03 PM (Iq9dF)

This is the part I am going to like. Opportunity can strike.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 09:08 PM (bgJ0E)

357 Also, turns out the 27 round PMAGS will work in the STK100, though the 17 rounders do not (baseplate too thick).

I'm adding a red dot to one of my XD9's and also to my new Palmetto State Dagger gen 2. Slowly converting about half my carry guns to red dots.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 29, 2022 09:09 PM (xcxpd)

358 That BAR is a thing of beauty.
Posted by: Sharkman at May 29, 2022 09:08 PM (CJsZH)
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What BAR? I don't see a BAR anywhere. (darn right I deny seeing that gorgeous piece of history. Mainly because if I can't own it, it doesn't exist)

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 09:09 PM (5pTK/)

359 351 That BAR is a thing of beauty.
Posted by: Sharkman at May 29, 2022 09:08 PM (CJsZH)

Why thank you.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 09:09 PM (bgJ0E)

360 Posted by: RI Red at May 29, 2022 09:02 PM (blmVn)
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Howdy, brother!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 09:09 PM (0IeYL)

361 The DOJ is going to investigate Uvalde expect a politically-motivated finding

Who invited them to do so? How long before the Feds start assuming the duties of the HOA busybodies who peer over fences to look for non-compliant tree forts and tall grass?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 29, 2022 09:09 PM (AHeqJ)

362 Later, weasel! Thanks again for the thread!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 09:10 PM (5pTK/)

363 If the shooter bought the guns with money he saved from his Wendy job, I would venture that he had planned on this for quite a while as it would have taken many weeks to accumulate that sum. So he may have scouted the school before and knew about that rear door.
While at Wendy's I wonder what sort of employee did he make. And how was his customer service?

Posted by: Ciampino at May 29, 2022 09:10 PM (qfLjt)

364 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 08:58 PM (5pTK/)

I think you're correct; defeating body armor was one of the things the NGSW program had as a priority. The really high chamber pressures mean that the parts within the rifle (bolt, barrel, etc.) will wear out and break faster. The Army has already seen this fielding the M855A1 round, which has higher chamber pressure than the "green tip" ammo it replaced. But, big Army has a lot more $$ than we do to get replacement parts for its rifles and other small arms.

Posted by: Ed L at May 29, 2022 09:10 PM (/lmRp)

365 >Who invited them to do so?

they invite themselves

Posted by: DB at May 29, 2022 09:11 PM (geLO8)

366 Oh, wait, AH Lloyd is signing off, not weasel.

Never mind.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 09:11 PM (5pTK/)

367 Ed L,
FWIW, the 62 gr. Green Tip 5.56 ammo was adopted because in the 80's, NATO felt it needed ammo to penetrate body armor wearing Soviets for WWIII which the 55 gr could not do. Thus, the Light Armor Piercing SS109. But, the new bullet did not do what the older 55gr M855 did which was go ass over teakettle when hitting a soft target (aka bullet upset). This is was same case as the Mark VII 303 cartridge that generated wounds equivalent or better than the 30-06 or the 8x57 Mauser despite being a step behind in bullet power. The bullet design of the Mark VII cause bullet upset (aka keyholing) when hitting a soft target which generated more massive wound channels. The older M855 55 gr at 3000 fps did something similar on at close range despite not quite being designed for it purposefully.

Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 09:11 PM (Iq9dF)

368 And Weasel and other contributors: nice job as always

happy hunting

Posted by: DB at May 29, 2022 09:11 PM (geLO8)

369 Posted by: Ben Had at May 29, 2022 09:08 PM (m07mU)
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Of course it is, darlin'!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 09:11 PM (0IeYL)

370 IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE IT'S TRUE!

Politics
'Guns Should Not Be In The Hands Of The Mentally Unstable,' Says Senile Man With Nukes

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From the Bee.

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at May 29, 2022 09:12 PM (FVME7)

371 This is the part I am going to like. Opportunity can strike.

Posted by: NZFrank
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Ok, but remember, you have to post pix here of your new toys that Uncle Sam finances.

Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 09:12 PM (Iq9dF)

372 362 Later, weasel! Thanks again for the thread!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 09:10 PM (5pTK/)
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My pleasure, blake. I owe you an email!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 09:12 PM (0IeYL)

373 'nite, AHL!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 09:14 PM (0IeYL)

374 The Army getting a new gun&cartridge has more to do with 2A and civilian access to ammunition than anything battle related.

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at May 29, 2022 09:15 PM (b+v9B)

375 Argh, not bullet power but cartridge power between the 303 British, the 30-06 US, and the 8x57 German. The Arisaka 7.7 is very comparable to the 303 British but did not use the Mark VII bullet obviously so not much report on its accentuated terminal performance.

Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 09:15 PM (Iq9dF)

376 Good night and see you next week, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at May 29, 2022 09:15 PM (/lmRp)

377 The new cartridge will also have hefty muzzle blast, wear out suppressors more quickly, and over double to nearly triple the recoil of the current 5.56 unless they make it a really heavy mutha.

Why not just stick with the try and true .50BMG?

Didn't the FBI have to dial back the 10mm to a .40S&W because their limp wristed agents couldn't handle the cartridge? With the bug and soy eating trannies and woke women entering the Democrat Party Military, how is the extra recoil going to work out in burst mode?

And whatever happened to the battle rifle's 7.62? And why is anyone putting hypersonic rounds through a suppressor? Isn't that why the .300 Blackout exists?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 29, 2022 09:15 PM (AHeqJ)

378 374 The Army getting a new gun&cartridge has more to do with 2A and civilian access to ammunition than anything battle related.
Posted by: Jamaica NYC at May 29, 2022 09:15 PM (b+v9B)
Ah, so.

Posted by: Eromero at May 29, 2022 09:16 PM (0OP+5)

379 No range time this weekend, but spending quality time with Jr. and future DIL (we are pretty sure).
Mini secret missions? Do tell!

Posted by: RI Red at May 29, 2022 09:16 PM (blmVn)

380 Stupid question.

For those of us who wear reading glasses despite being only 29, when aiming, should you focus on the sight or the target?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 29, 2022 09:17 PM (FVME7)

381 Sally DID work at Wendys.

Part time. And he quit in March.

I doubt we'll ever get a straight answer to that question. Imagine if it's COVID related free money.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 29, 2022 09:17 PM (Kojh8)

382 Posted by: DB at May 29, 2022 09:11 PM (geLO

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Thanks DB!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 09:18 PM (0IeYL)

383 The older M855 55 gr at 3000 fps did something similar on at close range despite not quite being designed for it purposefully.
Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 09:11 PM

Wasn't a lot of that related to the slow twist of the original barrel?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2022 09:18 PM (a3Q+t)

384 SiD, mutual admiration society. Admire your ambition in learning to clean the new gun. i actually got a hands on lesson on cleaning the G44 and still haven't done it. My excuse is I need to get some Hoppes,but it's really just me procrastinating.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)
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Last year I shot the P365 for the first time at the NRA class without giving it any kind of cleaning. It was a little balky going into battery (?) (had to smack in on the ass) while shooting, then it wouldn't cooperate disassembling and reassembling during the cleaning portion of the class. The instructors had to do most of it for me so I didn't really learn how. The Sig has never given me any mechanical issues since then, but this time I'm taking my friend's advice and cleaning the new gun before shooting it!

Posted by: screaming in digital at May 29, 2022 09:18 PM (pkAcY)

385 I doubt we'll ever get a straight answer to that question. Imagine if it's COVID related free money.

That would be so perfect. If true and not buried, it would put a lot of Safety Karens into a spiritual crisis.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 29, 2022 09:18 PM (AHeqJ)

386 The Army getting a new gun&cartridge has more to do with 2A and civilian access to ammunition than anything battle related.
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So they won't be needing all that 5.56 we already paid for and they can sell it at cost through the CMP. Sounds good.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 29, 2022 09:18 PM (Kojh8)

387 For those of us who wear reading glasses despite being only 29, when aiming, should you focus on the sight or the target?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 29, 2022 09:17 PM (FVME7)
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Front sight with the target blurry.

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 09:19 PM (0IeYL)

388 But, big Army has a lot more $$ than we do to get replacement parts for its rifles and other small arms.
Posted by: Ed L at May 29, 2022 09:10 PM (/lmRp)
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I see a lot of random parts failing at random times at inopportune moments.

Shorter version: I see this getting a lot of our soldiers killed.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 09:19 PM (5pTK/)

389 371 This is the part I am going to like. Opportunity can strike.

Posted by: NZFrank
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Ok, but remember, you have to post pix here of your new toys that Uncle Sam finances.
Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 09:12 PM (Iq9dF)

Will do, and on that note its time to take my new to me, Vickers to the copshop to change ownership. Good night and thanks Mr Weasel, I think I will see you in Texas.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 09:19 PM (bgJ0E)

390 381 Sally DID work at Wendys.

Part time. And he quit in March.

I doubt we'll ever get a straight answer to that question. Imagine if it's COVID related free money.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 29, 2022 09:17 PM (Kojh

Two words for you. Car-tel. Does that look like a possibility?

Posted by: Eromero at May 29, 2022 09:19 PM (0OP+5)

391 Mark!!
This week!

PNWMoMe. I expect morons within 400 miles to get your asses to Yakima. It's a drive. Suck it up. You'll love it.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 09:19 PM (U2p+3)

392 374 The Army getting a new gun&cartridge has more to do with 2A and civilian access to ammunition than anything battle related.

Posted by: Jamaica NYC
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Sig plans on selling 277 Fury chambered rifles to civilians and ammo for it. Dunno whether that means bolt actions or semi autos.

If you really want to play with it, buy you some old WWII era blacktip ammo and fire it in a 30-06 that you do not particularly care about as it will wear the barrel prematurely. At close range, you would probably get somewhat similar performance. By all reports, by the end of WWII in Europe, 168gr Black Tip AP ammo was about all that the GIs were firing instead of the original 150 gr. M1 Ball.

Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 09:19 PM (Iq9dF)

393 Staged show in Texas:

https://voxday.net/2022/05/29/the-staged-show-in-texas/

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2022 09:19 PM (a3Q+t)

394 OK, 9:20ish thank you time,

Thank You!

Y'all are the best. No shit.

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 09:20 PM (0IeYL)

395 My pleasure, blake. I owe you an email!
Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 09:12 PM (0IeYL)
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I'm pretty much always around, so, shoot me an email when you've time. No rush.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 09:20 PM (5pTK/)

396 Weasel, thank you for all you do.
See you at the MoMe!

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 29, 2022 09:21 PM (Y+l9t)

397 Greetings:

I've recently been reading about the British wars in South Africa against the Boers and the Zulus. The authors seem to be asserting that the British and German infantry rifles of the day could deliver effective fires out to 1000 yards.

I'm having trouble believing this as the rifles had open iron sights.

Any opinions anyone ???

Posted by: 11B40 at May 29, 2022 09:21 PM (uuklp)

398 Okay, now weasel is signing off. Later and again, thanks!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 09:21 PM (5pTK/)

399 Jamaica, I think I know what you are saying. Feel free to elaborate,
But the massive acceptance by the civilian world of the Modern Sporting Rifle would seem to obviate that. There will be significant stocks of ARs and 5.56 for the foreseeable future. Not so much 6.8 platforms and ammo.

Posted by: RI Red at May 29, 2022 09:21 PM (blmVn)

400 For those of us who wear reading glasses despite being only 29, when aiming, should you focus on the sight or the target?

For self defense, none of the above, since good point-shoot training ought to put rounds on center mass at legally short distances. If you are lobbing rounds out to twenty five yards, you won't survive either criminal or tort court.

For target. you have all day, experiment to see what works best for you in certain lighting conditions and background. I went with the reflex sight so that the point of aim glows green / amber through the optic.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 29, 2022 09:22 PM (AHeqJ)

401 but this time I'm taking my friend's advice and cleaning and lubricating the new gun before shooting it!
Posted by: screaming in digital at May 29, 2022 09:18 PM

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2022 09:22 PM (a3Q+t)

402 Thanks for the link/info blaster.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 29, 2022 09:23 PM (Kojh8)

403 391 Mark!!
This week!

PNWMoMe. I expect morons within 400 miles to get your asses to Yakima. It's a drive. Suck it up. You'll love it.
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 09:19 PM (U2p+3)

Indeed.
There will bourbon, enjoyed responsibly, and snacks and morons and I will not be creating any fires.
On-thread...open carry is both legal and encouraged.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 29, 2022 09:23 PM (xcxpd)

404 Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 09:11 PM (Iq9dF)

I understand that the M855A1 came into service specifically to fix this problem, which was a lot more pronounced in the M4 due to the lower muzzle velocity from the 14.5" barrels vice the 20" the M855 was designed for. The M855A1 solves the problem by fragmenting after impact, with the steel tip and copper slug going their separate ways after the copper jacket breaks up. The YouTube community has succeeded (as far as I know) in duplicating the results from the Army's claims.

Posted by: Ed L at May 29, 2022 09:23 PM (/lmRp)

405 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 29, 2022 09:19 PM (bgJ0E)
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Excellent. Nite, brother.

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 09:24 PM (0IeYL)

406 Two words for you. Car-tel. Does that look like a possibility?

*

Yeah, that was my assumption from the beginning.

I'm still very interested in why there were multiple federal marshals on site, too.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 29, 2022 09:24 PM (Kojh8)

407 I've recently been reading about the British wars in South Africa against the Boers and the Zulus. The authors seem to be asserting that the British and German infantry rifles of the day could deliver effective fires out to 1000 yards.

I'm having trouble believing this as the rifles had open iron sights.

Any opinions anyone ???
Posted by: 11B40 at May 29, 2022 09:21 PM (uuklp)

1000 yards is optimistic but...the Brits did train for massed fire at 500+ yards. Some individual shooters can and did get hits at ranges longer than that with black powder rifles a generation earlier.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 29, 2022 09:24 PM (xcxpd)

408 I've recently been reading about the British wars in South Africa against the Boers and the Zulus. The authors seem to be asserting that the British and German infantry rifles of the day could deliver effective fires out to 1000 yards.

I'm having trouble believing this as the rifles had open iron sights.

Any opinions anyone ???
Posted by: 11B40 at May 29, 2022 09:21 PM (uuklp)
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The British SMLE of the day had a micrometer rear sight which could be flipped up and set to a thousand yards. so, yeah, "fire for effect" at a thousand yards was possible with the SMLE. I don't know about the Mauser, though, I suspect it had the same capabilitiy.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 09:25 PM (5pTK/)

409 And thanks as always Weasel.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 29, 2022 09:25 PM (Kojh8)

410 401 but this time I'm taking my friend's advice and cleaning and lubricating the new gun before shooting it!
Posted by: screaming in digital at May 29, 2022 09:18 PM

Posted by: Duncanthrax

OH BEHAVE!!

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 09:26 PM (U2p+3)

411 Wasn't a lot of that related to the slow twist of the original barrel?

Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Some of it was alleged to be the 1:12 Twist or even older 1:14 varmint twist. Some of it was the bullet design with the ratio of weight in the bullet. The 1:9 or 1:8 was never a military std. and the 1:7 twist was adopted quite late in the 80's. The 1:12 according to Greenhill is about perfect to stabilize the 55gr M855, the 1:14 which was gone by the M16-A1's in mid Vietnam was really better for 50-52 gr bullet stabilization. I think the 1-14 was changed to 1-12 after tests in Alaska indicated problems with accuracy due to not stabilizing the bullets in very cold dense air.

Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 09:26 PM (Iq9dF)

412 Okay, now weasel is signing off. Later and again, thanks!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 09:21 PM (5pTK/)
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Weasel are not! The 9:20ish "Thank You" is only Phase Uno of Weasel signing off!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 09:26 PM (0IeYL)

413 ..I've recently been reading about the British wars in South Africa against the Boers and the Zulus. The authors seem to be asserting that the British and German infantry rifles of the day could deliver effective fires out to 1000 yards. I'm having trouble believing this as the rifles had open iron sights. Any opinions anyone ??? Posted by: 11B40 at May 29, 2022 09:21 PM (uuklp)

Those were "volley sights", and a platoon or company would fire en-masse on the distant, enemy positions.

They weren't aiming so much at any one particular soldier, but raining fire on the grouped enemy positions. Figure, +/- ten to twenty feet of lateral error, providing they had the elevation right. But, when a hundred soldiers fire as one, a few of those hundred rounds are likely to connect with an opponent. And then a quick throw of the bolts, and do it again. And again, etc.

I would not care to be on the receiving end of such a volume of fire.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 29, 2022 09:27 PM (QzJWU)

414 For those of us who wear reading glasses despite being only 29, when aiming, should you focus on the sight or the target?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 29, 2022 09:17 PM (FVME7)

For accuracy, nothing has helped me more than a hard focus on the front sight. The target being 'fuzzy' has not affected me negatively...until we get past 15 yards.

With a red dot sight, and with failing eyes I'm loving them, focus on the target and put the dot where you want the bullets to go, then squeeze.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 29, 2022 09:27 PM (xcxpd)

415 We got to shoot out on our land this weekend. I finally broke in that cute little .38 hammerless special DH bought me to carry. It went boom like a good little boom stick. Made me very happy.

Now, to find the proper gear to carry.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at May 29, 2022 09:28 PM (LOVUx)

416 DBCooper!
Howdy sir! How's the fire season?

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 09:28 PM (U2p+3)

417 Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 29, 2022 09:18 PM (Kojh

Doubt it. 5.56mm NATO will stick around for a long time to come in the ARNG and USAR. Remaining rounds will be used for training for years to come.

Posted by: Ed L at May 29, 2022 09:28 PM (/lmRp)

418 Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 29, 2022 09:25 PM (Kojh

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My pleasure!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 09:28 PM (0IeYL)

419
Who invited them to do so? How long before the Feds start assuming the duties of the HOA busybodies who peer over fences to look for non-compliant tree forts and tall grass?
Posted by: Reuben Hick
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See Michael Brown; Travon Williams

In both cases, the Dems scrambled large numbers of DoJ personnel. Hundreds, I think, in the case of Ferguson.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 29, 2022 09:28 PM (aSWOS)

420 Weasel, are you coming to the AKMOME? Please?

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at May 29, 2022 09:28 PM (LOVUx)

421 For those of us who wear reading glasses despite being only 29, when aiming, should you focus on the sight or the target?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 29, 2022 09:17 PM (FVME7)
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Front sight. If you only wear reading glasses, your eyes should still be good enough to get a decent sight picture. (I shot IDPA for years with "reading glass" eyes. Accuracy was never an issue. But, on the other hand, I've put thousands of rounds through the firearm I shoot IDPA with)

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 09:29 PM (5pTK/)

422 >How long before the Feds start assuming the duties of the HOA busybodies who peer over fences to look for non-compliant tree forts and tall grass?
Posted by: Reuben Hick

they already are

Posted by: DB at May 29, 2022 09:29 PM (geLO8)

423 Weasel are not! The 9:20ish "Thank You" is only Phase Uno of Weasel signing off!
Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 09:26 PM (0IeYL)
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Ah, the "20 minute driveway chat leading up to the official goodbye" ploy.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 09:30 PM (5pTK/)

424 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 09:19 PM (5pTK/)

Hopefully, debugging won't take place in combat (XM-16E1, I'm looking at you).

Posted by: Ed L at May 29, 2022 09:30 PM (/lmRp)

425 (I shot IDPA for years with "reading glass" eyes. Accuracy was never an issue. But, on the other hand, I've put thousands of rounds through the firearm I shoot IDPA with)
Posted by: blake

I'm working up the nerve to shoot IDPA.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 09:31 PM (U2p+3)

426 OK friends, goodnight

have fun storming the ONT

Posted by: DB at May 29, 2022 09:32 PM (geLO8)

427 408
The British SMLE of the day had a micrometer rear sight which could be flipped up and set to a thousand yards. so, yeah, "fire for effect" at a thousand yards was possible with the SMLE. I don't know about the Mauser, though, I suspect it had the same capabilitiy.
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At school in Nairobi, Kenya we had a Cadet Force, equipped by the British Army there. Every year when we did our marksmanship qualifying, we used 303 rifles but with .22 barrels, and had those exact sights. I was damn good with that. Those of us who made top grades got to go to the army base and shoot the 303 round and compete with other schools.

Posted by: Ciampino at May 29, 2022 09:32 PM (qfLjt)

428 420 Weasel, are you coming to the AKMOME? Please?
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at May 29, 2022 09:28 PM (LOVUx)
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Man, I'd love to. No kidding! But it doesn't look like I'll be able to make it this year, thanks, though!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 09:33 PM (0IeYL)

429 I'm working up the nerve to shoot IDPA.
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 09:31 PM (U2p+3)
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I don't know what to tell you about that. I hope you try, but, another poster, I forget his name, went, after I encouraged him, and, well, the local IDPA crowd was less than welcoming. Which was a shock to me, as I thought gun clubs at least tried to be accommodating.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 09:33 PM (5pTK/)

430 I'm working up the nerve to shoot IDPA.
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 09:31 PM (U2p+3)

#DoIt

You'll do fine

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 29, 2022 09:33 PM (xcxpd)

431 Posted by: 11B40 at May 29, 2022 09:21 PM (uuklp)

This long range fire was supposed to be done by volleys or "area" fire, not individual point shooting. Since infantry and cavalry still used massed formations as late as 1914, volley fires at 1000 yards combined with the "mad minute" the SMLE was capable of was something the Germans learned to respect the hard way.

Posted by: Ed L at May 29, 2022 09:34 PM (/lmRp)

432 Serial lurker from Alberta that’s not allowed in the USA because in 1981 I stole something under $200 in Calgary. No mome for me

Posted by: kelly at May 29, 2022 09:34 PM (hj8c2)

433 408 I've recently been reading about the British wars in South Africa against the Boers and the Zulus. The authors seem to be asserting that the British and German infantry rifles of the day could deliver effective fires out to 1000 yards.

I'm having trouble believing this as the rifles had open iron sights.

Any opinions anyone ???
Posted by: 11B40
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Yes, under the right conditions, the good old 303 can hit at 1000 yards. The Boers used the 7x57 Mauser to good effect. BTW, the Brits at the time in the Boer War were using the older Long Lee Enfields as SMLE did not come around until 1903 approval. The longer barrels of the Long Lee gave a bit more range with the Cordite being used. There was also a Calvary model of the Long Lee which NZ Frank probably has. The Boer Mausers, from memory also had musket length barrels for their Mausers but used a bit better Ballistite powder than Cordite. Both would have massive bullet drops to get to 1000 meters or yards.

Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 09:34 PM (Iq9dF)

434 maybe if the congress critters are really serious about gun legislation, they should pow wow with the 6 cons on the SCOTUS

otherwise they are going end up with some McLame Feingold situation

Posted by: REDACTED at May 29, 2022 09:35 PM (us2H3)

435 Wow! Everybody was here. Great thread tonight.
Looking forward to October. Can hardly wait to see everyone.

Posted by: Rancherbob at May 29, 2022 09:35 PM (gtu9W)

436 Greetings:

Thanks to 407, 408, and 413 for your responses.

413 reminded me of the "shoulder mortar" moniker that was attached to the M-79 of my day.

Posted by: 11B40 at May 29, 2022 09:35 PM (uuklp)

437
I'm working up the nerve to shoot IDPA.
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 09:31 PM (U2p+3)
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Pleeeeeeze do this!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 09:35 PM (0IeYL)

438 With a red dot sight, and with failing eyes I'm loving them, focus on the target and put the dot where you want the bullets to go, then squeeze.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Thx for the Range Report.

Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 09:36 PM (Iq9dF)

439 RancherBob, Yo!

Posted by: Eromero at May 29, 2022 09:37 PM (0OP+5)

440 Thanks Weasel, this thread got me out of some home improvement tasks tonight.

Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 09:37 PM (Iq9dF)

441 When breaking into IDPA, work with the local club, and ONLY go to "unregistered" practice matches, until you're ready to face the pressure and intensity of when they shoot for recorded scores.

Mostly, you'll get a lot of help on the unregistered days. Official Scoring days though? They'll have their game-faces on, and the focus and intensity that goes with it.

And, Weasel. I don't know how you do it, but you consistently out-do yourself, week after week. This week is no exception.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 29, 2022 09:37 PM (QzJWU)

442 Posted by: Rancherbob at May 29, 2022 09:35 PM (gtu9W)
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Howdy RancherBob!!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 09:38 PM (0IeYL)

443 What's IDPA ?

Posted by: Ciampino at May 29, 2022 09:38 PM (qfLjt)

444 Tcn, I appreciate the email you sent to me a few months ago about the AKMoMe. I'm pretty sure we will not be able to come. It is logistically not very feasible for us right now.

Posted by: Emmie at May 29, 2022 09:38 PM (6RgRK)

445 Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 09:37 PM (Iq9dF)
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Ha! Happy to be of assistance!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 09:38 PM (0IeYL)

446 444 But I hope we get the opportunity to visit you someday!

Posted by: Emmie at May 29, 2022 09:39 PM (6RgRK)

447 Posted by: Jim at May 29, 2022 09:37 PM (QzJWU)
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Aw shucks. Thanks Jim.

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 09:39 PM (0IeYL)

448 I understand that the M855A1 came into service specifically to fix this problem, which was a lot more pronounced in the M4 due to the lower muzzle velocity from the 14.5" barrels vice the 20" the M855 was designed for. The M855A1 solves the problem by fragmenting after impact, with the steel tip and copper slug going their separate ways after the copper jacket breaks up. The YouTube community has succeeded (as far as I know) in duplicating the results from the Army's claims.

Posted by: Ed L
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Nice to know that the Army improved its bullet and it worked. Thx for the information but I suspect civilians can't get this ammo either-but we can use hollow points, soft tip, or ballistic tips to get some of the same effects.

Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 09:40 PM (Iq9dF)

449 What's IDPA ?
Posted by: Ciampino at May 29, 2022 09:38 PM (qfLjt)
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International Defensive Pistol Association.

Shoot and move, on a timer, drawing from a holster. Rules are strict and change yearly.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 09:40 PM (5pTK/)

450 Hey Weasel. Everybody needs to go buy ammo!

Posted by: Rancherbob at May 29, 2022 09:40 PM (gtu9W)

451 3 What's IDPA ?
Posted by: Ciampino at May 29, 2022 09:38 PM (qfLjt)
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International Defensive Pistol Association. It's a group that sanctions a particular style of competitive shooting based on self-defense scenarios.

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 09:41 PM (0IeYL)

452 Rancherbob!

Concur. And then go out and buy some moar ammo!

*sally struthers pleads*

Won't you please do it, for the children?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 29, 2022 09:42 PM (QzJWU)

453 RMBS. May I humbly suggest you read the link in my #317? Might be something you can use, there.

You have my permission to use any part, or the whole.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at May 29, 2022 08:59 PM

Well written, Jim.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 29, 2022 09:46 PM (RkC6l)

454 450 Hey Weasel. Everybody needs to go buy ammo!
Posted by: Rancherbob at May 29, 2022 09:40 PM (gtu9W)
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Yes they do!!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 09:46 PM (0IeYL)

455 You can find some contemporary discussion of the Boer War by no less than Winston Churchill. I suspect his book on the Boer War is now in the public domain and it includes his escape from a POW camp. He was there as a correspondent for newspapers.
Posted by: 11B40

That being said, the Long Lee had excellent sights that are probably better than the 7x57 model 93/95 Mausers that the Boers were using. Firing at extreme long distance would probably be discouraged because it would waste more ammo than it would be worth in logistics terms. That does not mean that some of the enlisted from both sides did not take potshots at the enemies on occasion and hit them at that range. The Brits and similar Mauser rifles were used in long range military shooting competitions for decades until replaced. This was true even for the scoffed at Carcano that in its original 1891 length barrel and twist gain barrel is a decent shooter. The heavy bullets at the time used also helped.

Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 09:46 PM (Iq9dF)

456 Howdy Jim.

Sally knows best!

Posted by: Rancherbob at May 29, 2022 09:46 PM (gtu9W)

457 Well, time to wander, really, truly, this time, yes, I mean it!

Later!

Thanks again, weasel!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 09:47 PM (5pTK/)

458 RMBS

Thank you, sir. Seeya in the ONT!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 29, 2022 09:47 PM (QzJWU)

459 211 Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 08:06 PM (U2p+3)

It was an emergency exit door, it seems. (Evidently, one without an alarm.) There is NO way back in once it closes. So, you prop it open to run and get your phone out of your car.

Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 08:19 PM (f4IaF)

It is a door leading to a short sidewalk to a school bus unload/load drive-thru. Maybe it is not normally used for building exit and entry, but the design of the area indicates it is a routine student entry/exit point. Plus, it leads to a teacher/staff parking lot. The shooter may have surveilled the school and saw the door was routinely propped-open at lunchtime. He crashed into a ditch not far from that door.

Posted by: I like the P229 at May 29, 2022 09:47 PM (K1GF/)

460
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 09:47 PM (5pTK/)
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Goodnight, amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 09:49 PM (0IeYL)

461 Thank you, sir. Seeya in the ONT!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at May 29, 2022 09:47 PM

Gotta punch out. Have to be up bright and early for my event. See y'all later in the day.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 29, 2022 09:49 PM (RkC6l)

462 At school in Nairobi, Kenya we had a Cadet Force, equipped by the British Army there. Every year when we did our marksmanship qualifying, we used 303 rifles but with .22 barrels, and had those exact sights. I was damn good with that. Those of us who made top grades got to go to the army base and shoot the 303 round and compete with other schools. Posted by: Ciampino
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Interesting story, I have one waiting for my gunsmith to reline the worn barrel of one.

Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 09:50 PM (Iq9dF)

463 Much gratitude and many hugs to you, dear friends. Thanks again for all the advice!

Posted by: screaming in digital at May 29, 2022 09:50 PM (pkAcY)

464 Rancherbob!
Howdy sir!

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 09:51 PM (U2p+3)

465 We WILL shoot skeet in October.
Posted by: Ben Had\

Oh good. I have a bunch of 12ga I need to get rid of.

Posted by: Javems at May 29, 2022 09:52 PM (AmoqO)

466
Posted by: screaming in digital at May 29, 2022 09:50 PM (pkAcY)
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Always a pleasure to have you here.

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 09:53 PM (0IeYL)

467 Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 09:40 PM (Iq9dF)

You can, if you look enough. Bought some at the Chantilly show, a few at a time over the last several years. They're running about $6 a round now, $50 for a stripper clip of ten.

Posted by: Ed L at May 29, 2022 09:54 PM (/lmRp)

468 Hi Nurse. Didn’t know you had a green thumb. See you in October.

Posted by: Rancherbob at May 29, 2022 09:55 PM (gtu9W)

469 Interesting story, I have one waiting for my gunsmith to reline the worn barrel of one.

Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 09:50 PM (Iq9dF)

I loaded some rounds for my 1917 30-06 today. Hope to do some shooting next Sunday. Dang that thing is heavy. Been a while.

Posted by: Javems at May 29, 2022 09:57 PM (AmoqO)

470 It was an emergency exit door, it seems. (Evidently, one without an alarm.) There is NO way back in once it closes. So, you prop it open to run and get your phone out of your car.

*

And it just so happened to be the one closest to where Sally parked, and opened one minute before his arrival.

And it remained open, as did the rest of the school, fore the twelve minutes that Sally roamed around RIGHT F*CKING OUTSIDE shooting his .223 at people.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 29, 2022 09:58 PM (y63Pd)

471 Posted by: Javems at May 29, 2022 09:57 PM (AmoqO)
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Send us a range report, please!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 09:58 PM (0IeYL)

472 Thank you, Rancherbob. I was hoping it got there.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 29, 2022 09:59 PM (U2p+3)

473 Ok, ONT is up, y'all! Thanks for being here tonight and hope to see you next Sunday. Have a great week!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 10:00 PM (14rCl)

474 And it just so happened to be the one closest to where Sally parked, and opened one minute before his arrival.

*

Say, whatever happened with that Vegas shooting?

There was a Vegas shooting a few years ago, right?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 29, 2022 10:00 PM (y63Pd)

475 467, Thanks Ed L. I had assumed that BATF had considered it armor piercing and banned its sale to civilians.

Apparently not. But Fed Gov, due to Appeals Ct. ruling, apparently controls its production of similar ammo by patent.

Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 10:00 PM (Iq9dF)

476 ONT is nood, y'all.

*blushes*

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 29, 2022 10:00 PM (QzJWU)

477 Memorial Day is tough now, I lost a good friend at the beginning of A-Stan on operation Anaconda. Still remember the gut punch when first reports came back.
Posted by: Nevada Dave at May 29, 2022 08:05 PM (3DzQz)
~~~~~

Stay strong, ND.

Thank you.

Posted by: IrishEi at May 29, 2022 10:01 PM (VhE0u)

478 Hi everone

Posted by: Ciampino at May 29, 2022 10:01 PM (qfLjt)

479 I loaded some rounds for my 1917 30-06 today. Hope to do some shooting next Sunday. Dang that thing is heavy. Been a while.

Posted by: Javems
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Heavy rifles are good when firing 30-06 for more than a few hunting rounds.

Posted by: whig at May 29, 2022 10:01 PM (Iq9dF)

480 Tomorrow is SiG P220 day. Just because. I really need to air that bad boy out. Fucker damn near shoots itself.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 29, 2022 10:02 PM (BFigT)

481 How about a much simpler explanation.

The Uvalde Police Department, at some point and without popular support, went woke and adopted leftist rules of engagement.

Then, during the active shooter event, the police followed their rules of engagement.

Posted by: Kustie The Klown at May 29, 2022 10:04 PM (enAJ1)

482 Front sight. If you only wear reading glasses, your eyes should still be good enough to get a decent sight picture. (I shot IDPA for years with "reading glass" eyes. Accuracy was never an issue. But, on the other hand, I've put thousands of rounds through the firearm I shoot IDPA with)

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 29, 2022 09:29 PM

My Dad used to shoot competition with his bifocals upside down. He was a heck of a pistol shooter.

Posted by: Javems at May 29, 2022 10:05 PM (AmoqO)

483 Serial lurker from Alberta that’s not allowed in the USA because in 1981 I stole something under $200 in Calgary. No mome for me
Posted by: kelly at May 29, 2022 09:34 PM (hj8c2)

So that's what happened to the battery in my Mazda pickup! (just kidding)

I think you can apply for a pardon, and have your criminal record sealed, so that you can get a passport. Check it out.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 29, 2022 10:07 PM (s/fFK)

484 It's absurd to believe that the same people who actively coordinated to kill a few hundred thousand elderly people entirely to remove Trump from office would kill a roomful of little kids in order to remove guns from the public.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 29, 2022 10:10 PM (Hv2k+)

485 Lots of learning tonight. I have a few red dots, lasers, etc., but’s I’m still old school with iron sights.
That may change with aging. Which I refuse to do.

Posted by: RI Red at May 29, 2022 10:19 PM (blmVn)

486 I’m still old school with iron sights.
That may change with aging. Which I refuse to do.
Posted by: RI Red at May 29, 2022 10:19 PM (blmVn)
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*fistbump*

Posted by: Weasel at May 29, 2022 10:21 PM (0IeYL)

487 Posted by: GWB at May 29, 2022 07:22 PM (f4IaF)

Shouldn't that be "LEATHER, Rinse, Repeat" where handguns are concerned?

Probably Kydex, Rinse, Repeat. But I’m stealing the leather line anyway. Aim High, GWB.

Posted by: Bama Bubba at May 29, 2022 11:01 PM (XjZhF)

488 Hey, why'd you drag me into this? You don't need my permission to do anything!

p.s. If you leave your dentures under the pillow, you ain't gettin' nothin'...

Posted by: The Tooth Fairy at May 30, 2022 12:58 AM (DhZwA)

489 The reasons behind Uvalde will get buried just like the Vegas massacre.

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