UVALDE DPS SPOKESMAN: WE DIDN'T GO IN TO KILL THE GUNMAN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO GET SHOT, SO WE JUST KEPT HIM CONTAINED WITH THE CHILDREN

There it is. There's the truth.

John Sexton excerpts from a CNN article reporting an interview between Wolf Blitzer and the Ulvalde DPS spokesman, Olivarez. He comments on the article mid-excerpt.


Olivarez said officers were inside the school quickly, and they heard gunfire when they arrived. They called for reinforcements, he said. The officers in the building waited for a special tactical team to show up as they isolated the shooter to one classroom.

"Don't current best practices, don't they call for officers to disable a shooter as quickly as possible, regardless of how many officers are actually on site?" Blitzer asked him.

As I pointed out earlier, the recommendation from the FBI is that police should not wait to form a team or come up with a plan during an active shooter situation. Even if there's only one officer on the scene, the best practice is to go in immediately and engage the shooter. So with that in mind, here is Lt. Olivarez' full response to Blitzer's question.

Correct, the active shooter situation, you want to stop the killing, you want to preserve life, but also one thing that -- of course, the American people need to understand -- that officers are making entry into this building. They do not know where the gunman is. They are hearing gunshots. They are receiving gunshots.

At that point, if they proceeded any further not knowing where the suspect was at, they could've been shot, they could've been killed, and that gunman would have had an opportunity to kill other people inside that school.

So they were able to contain that gunman inside that classroom so that he was not able to go to any other portions of the school to commit any other killings.

They were able to keep him in a room he had barricaded himself into, with children who were hiding from him and playing dead, and with some other children who were bleeding out and who could have been saved if they had had medical attention in time.

But at least the Uvalde DPS protected our most important resource: Cops' fat asses.

When the Border Patrol agents showed up an hour after the gunman started his rampage, they did not wait. They drew up a quickie plan and just entered and killed the gunman.

And I doubt their plan was much more sophisticated than, "Enter the room two by two, spread out, and start firing until he is dead."

The Uvalde cops, on the other hand, waited for the Real Police to show up to save them. While they maintained a perimeter, which was apparently more to protect the killer from parents than anything else.

The teenage madman who slaughtered 19 kids and two teachers in a Texas school spent more than 40 minutes inside as witnesses desperately urged police to charge into the building, it was ­revealed Wednesday.

Salvador Ramos barricaded himself inside the classroom before opening fire on students and teachers inside. Border Patrol agents finally breached the door about 40 minutes to an hour later when a staff member gave them a key.

I am at a loss at how, after 20 years of the federal government pouring billions of dollars into local police departments for "anti-terrorism training and equipment," as well as training and equipment to handle mass shooters, they are utterly stymied by a locked door.

Was a locked door an eventuality that none of their six thousand worthless Power Point presentations covered?


Now the father of one of the dead children is blaming officers at the scene for not acting sooner to stop the gunman.

Jacinto Cazares raced to Robb Elementary School when he heard about the shooting and arrived while police were still gathered outside.

While he anxiously watched the officers standing outside his daughter's school, he suggested storming into the school building himself along with other civilian bystanders.

"'Let's just rush in because the cops aren't doing anything like they are supposed to,'" he said he told other onlookers. "More could have been done."

"There was at least 40 lawmen armed to the teeth but didn't do a darn thing [until] it was far too late," Cazares, the father of 10-year-old victim Jackie Cazares, told ABC News.


A witness who lived across the street from the elementary school said onlookers begged officers outside the school to do something as gunfire rang out inside the building.

This is unforgivable. It's one thing to say "We didn't go in because we didn't know the killer was killing anyone."

It's another thing entirely to hear gunshots in a school where there are only seven, eight, and nine year old kids and still stand outside, maintaining your FUCKING PERIMETER, waiting for the Real Police to show up and do your fucking jobs for you.

You worthless dickless heartless cowards.

"Go in there! Go in there!" nearby women shouted at the officers who did not go inside, 24-year-old Juan Carranza said.

Local police, state police and 80 Border Patrol officers swarmed to the scene. Four of the 80 Border Patrol officers entered the school building and killed Ramos, according to a Customs and Border Protection official.

Carranza felt the officers should have entered the school sooner.

"There were more of them, there was just one of him," he said.


US Border Patrol Chief Raul Ortiz said in a Wednesday interview with CNN that as soon as the Border Patrol officers arrived, "they didn't hesitate."

"They didn't hesitate. They came up with a plan," Ortiz told the outlet. "They entered that classroom and they took care of the situation as quickly as they possibly could."

Generally I'd say we shouldn't rush to conclusions, but the Uvalde DPS is telling me that all of my suspicions are correct, because they won't answer questions about what the hell they were doing for that key hour.

You're "gathering resources" while children are being shot by a lone madman? And you have forty armed cops just sitting outside maintaining a perimeter?

When kids are dying, you do not wait for resources. You are the resources.

Here's what I'd like investigated: I wonder if the nation's prioritization of never shooting "unarmed (but actually armed) felons" has caused us to stop hiring cops with the sort of psychology you actually need for effective law enforcement -- which may occasionally necessitate shooting people -- and caused us instead to hire passive, cowardly shlubs who enjoy sitting around picking the underwear out of their asses while waiting for Real Police to show up and do their jobs for them.


Get ready to scream:

The Biden White House, which has demanded federal inquiries into every single cop shooting of an "unarmed (but actually armed) black man" in the past two years," refuses to call for an investigation into the Uvalde DPS's handling of this massacre.

"I know that right now, authorities are working to piece together more details of what happened in Uvalde, so we won't prejudge the result from here at this time," White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre answered a reporter. "It is always a good idea to look back and try to find any lessons we can learn, especially from tragedies like this, so that we can prevent them moving forward, including the law enforcement response."

Right. The Biden staff, which called Kyle Rittenhouse a White Supremacist in a debate, doesn't want to prejudge the situation.

The spit-take above is in response to anyone from the Biden Administration claiming they Trust the Police.

They don't want an investigation because they have a particular narrative in mind -- Take All the Guns -- and they do not want any other storylines competing with that.

What they want is fury, and fury directed at Republicans... not at the Uvalde Department of Public Safety.

Schumer now says he will schedule some Votes of Fury on gun control legislation after the Memorial Day holiday, when the votes will be better positioned to influence the upcoming elections.

Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) told colleagues Thursday morning that they should be prepared to vote on gun control legislation when they return to Washington next month after the Memorial Day recess, promising a showdown with Republicans after mass shootings in New York and Texas this month left 31 people dead.

...

"If these negotiations do not bear any fruit, the Senate will vote on gun safety legislation when we return. But our hope, even amidst our deep skepticism, is that during this week Democrats and Republicans at long last will come to agree on something meaningful that will reduce gun violence in a real way in America," Schumer said on the floor.

Meanwhile, Schumer is continuing to use the Anita-Dunn-focus-group-tested attack phrase, "MAGA Republicans."

Not "Ultra-MAGA," though.


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1 sponge

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 12:02 PM (LvTSG)

2 Uvalde Press conference is starting

Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2022 12:02 PM (NpAcC)

3 You remember how Las Vegas became the issue of the election?

But then it was forgotten completely because all of the facts were bad for the narrative?

Yeah, that's what I expect to happen here.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 12:03 PM (LvTSG)

4 Meanwhile, Schumer is continuing to use the Anita-Dunn-focus-group-tested attack phrase, "MAGA Republicans."

Not "Ultra-MAGA," though.

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Ultra MAGA? Sounds pretty awesome.

Maybe next we'll be Uber MAGA.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 12:04 PM (LvTSG)

5 BORTAC: men
DPS: men without chests

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 27, 2022 12:04 PM (wPuAx)

6 Door propped open by a teacher

Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2022 12:04 PM (NpAcC)

7 I hope the parents get some good representation and get loud about what happened.

That a good guy with a gun, shot this psycho while cops waited...for something.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:04 PM (DcKNO)

8 Buy guns. Get as competent with them as you can.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 27, 2022 12:05 PM (LPcrG)

9 These "men" sicken me.

Posted by: Mishdog at May 27, 2022 12:05 PM (Sp49+)

10 just fucking wow...

add on top of that, that some of the cops rescued their OWN kids but kept parents out of the building, and i'm really feeling like they wanted as big of a body count as possible...

Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at May 27, 2022 12:07 PM (p03vF)

11 Next time call the Marines

Posted by: Skip's phone at May 27, 2022 12:08 PM (Ru/FJ)

12 Tucker Carlson got to the heart of the matter, why aren't we asking the right questions?

This kid was troubled. And everyone knew it. Why was nothing done? What's going on in society? We're drugging our kids with meds that make them crazier and suicidal, why? Kids are isolated and spend all their time with a computer instead of with people. They are not having relationships or being outdoors.

He said it all better than I could.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:08 PM (DcKNO)

13 As an ex beat cop, this just pisses me the fuck off. Pussies.

Posted by: RobertM at May 27, 2022 12:08 PM (qWhQP)

14 My line of work.. failure to follow best practices will result in termination, loss of securities license and maybe prison time.

Posted by: Mishdog at May 27, 2022 12:08 PM (kHqhQ)

15 No one will talk about this but there is a huge societal cost from the feminist war on traditional masculinity.

Cop behavior like this would have been unimaginable in 1980.

Posted by: Josh Brolin's Blistered Taint at May 27, 2022 12:08 PM (k0caX)

16 Watch the press conference

Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2022 12:09 PM (NpAcC)

17 I've learned to really despise Chuck Schumer.

I've gotten to the point where I really, REALLY want to see somebody walk right up to that butthole and....push his damn glasses up where they belong!

I'll bet he thinks those things make him look smart, but he looks like Professor Retard teaching Advanced Theory and Practice of Retardation to the Special Placement retards at the New York Institute of Being Retarded.

Posted by: William F. "Buck" Dharma at May 27, 2022 12:09 PM (oedLL)

18 Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at May 27, 2022 12:07 PM (p03vF)

I don’t blame them for wanting their own kids. But, it makes everything look way worse.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 27, 2022 12:09 PM (LPcrG)

19 Matt Walsh is also pointing out how a lack of fathers is devasting our society.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:09 PM (DcKNO)

20 Fuck you Schumer. Just FUCK YOU!

Posted by: Diogenes at May 27, 2022 12:10 PM (anj39)

21 Pfft. Should have called the FBI. They'll take the shot *through* kids.

Posted by: Ruby Ridge at May 27, 2022 12:10 PM (uiT+8)

22 The locked door thing seems contradictory with the claim that the situation was too dangerous to go in. We couldn't get in shifts the issue more to being about how prepared the department is. We didn't want to go in makes it an issue of the cops and whoever is giving them orders.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 12:10 PM (b2nrj)

23 Okay, now the most suspicious thing is the Biden administration saying they trust the police. If that doesn't get my conspiracy-adled mind going nothing will.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:11 PM (DcKNO)

24 they are utterly stymied by a locked door

Funny how a locked door usually isn't a problem when they are executing a no-knock search warrant on the wrong house at 3 am.

Posted by: Chuck C at May 27, 2022 12:11 PM (hOAT3)

25 To be clear, the cops went in and got their own kids while simultaneously stopping any parent from getting theirs. Only one mom gave them the slip and was able to get some kids out while these guys all played roadblock.

Easily one of the most disgusting and disturbing displays by 'law enforcement' I can remember.

They sent those kids to their deaths and they ought to be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 27, 2022 12:11 PM (GsQOb)

26 Barney Fife had more balls than that entire police force.

Just awful.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 27, 2022 12:12 PM (rzOL9)

27 Have we learned yet? The State does not care for it's citizens, or it's children. The State cares on!y about the State. PERIOD.

Scratch that...the State wants as many of it's citizens dead.
Exhibit A. COVID response.
Exhibit B. EVERY MASS killing spree in recent history.
And finally Exhibit C. These Stupid Lazy Local City cops and US Marshalls.

Posted by: Esperman at May 27, 2022 12:12 PM (AqwWg)

28 My only conclusion is that they wanted a bodycount. As soon as they heard "active shooter in classroom" they though it was finally the event to get guns banned, and they needed the bodies of children stacked.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 27, 2022 12:12 PM (R8uWY)

29 Posted by: Chuck C at May 27, 2022 12:11 PM (hOAT3)

“Flash bang out!”

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 27, 2022 12:12 PM (LPcrG)

30 I'm not sure what's sicker: the shooter, the cops who set a perimeter so the shooter could kill the kids unbothered, or all of the leftist dancing with glee all over the dead bodies so that they can finally get that collective punishment of the rest of us that they always lusted after.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 27, 2022 12:12 PM (wPuAx)

31 Never assume incompetence when malice can be blamed.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 27, 2022 12:12 PM (R8uWY)

32 24 they are utterly stymied by a locked door

Funny how a locked door usually isn't a problem when they are executing a no-knock search warrant on the wrong house at 3 am.
Posted by: Chuck C at May 27, 2022 12:11 PM (hOAT3)

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This.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:12 PM (DcKNO)

33 My heart is broken for these kids and their families. I honestly can't read or watch much about this story because I am too angry. And the Democrats making this political, as they always do, is just despicable.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 27, 2022 12:12 PM (aeePL)

34 And, the kid apparently was shooting outside the school for a while before he went in.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 27, 2022 12:12 PM (GsQOb)

35 Keep in mind if the gunman is firing at you, he's not firing at the children or anyone else. This is 101 CQB.

Posted by: Marcus T, Deus Vult at May 27, 2022 12:13 PM (T0jQj)

36 Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 27, 2022 12:12 PM (GsQOb)

Unreal right?

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 27, 2022 12:13 PM (LPcrG)

37 The names of every Uvalde police officer should be known. Put a picture of each officer next to each dead child.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 27, 2022 12:13 PM (R8uWY)

38 When you vilify men who put their life on the line to honorably serve and protect as police, honorable men stop choosing police work as a career. And you end with dishonorable men choosing to become police, for all the wrong reasons. Dishonorable men will not serve and protect.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at May 27, 2022 12:14 PM (d9Cw3)

39 Funny how a locked door usually isn't a problem when they are executing a no-knock search warrant on the wrong house at 3 am.
Posted by: Chuck C at May 27, 2022 12:11 PM (hOAT3)

A locked door present little issues with entry tools. Cops don't carry those around all the time, though an investigation ought to look at whether they were trying to bring in those tools in a timely fashion.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 12:14 PM (b2nrj)

40

I can't say what should happen to the cop's who copped out. I will think it though.

Posted by: four seasons at May 27, 2022 12:14 PM (PisyI)

41 35 Keep in mind if the gunman is firing at you, he's not firing at the children or anyone else. This is 101 CQB.
Posted by: Marcus T, Deus Vult at May 27, 2022 12:13 PM (T0jQj)

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This this this this this.

One guy went in and killed him getting shot in the process. Would have been nice to have another distracting him by a window, ceiling, whatever.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:14 PM (DcKNO)

42 Ramos' last words: "We can negotia..."

Posted by: 496 at May 27, 2022 12:14 PM (VJsqe)

43 Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at May 27, 2022 12:07 PM (p03vF)

I don’t blame them for wanting their own kids. But, it makes everything look way worse.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 27, 2022 12:09 PM (LPcrG)

yeah, i should have maybe said it differently, but you know what. as i tye and think, i DO blame them. they could have done something for EVERYONE'S kids, not just their own...

and there's no way to look at this and not decide they wanted a LOT of dead teachers and students.

Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at May 27, 2022 12:14 PM (p03vF)

44 You remember how Las Vegas became the issue of the election?

But then it was forgotten completely because all of the facts were bad for the narrative?

Yeah, that's what I expect to happen here.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 12:03 PM (LvTSG)

Political Hat assured me there was nothing to see here. Right before he got in deep with the political machine in NV and stopped posting here.

Posted by: Bete at May 27, 2022 12:15 PM (uiT+8)

45 One thing puzzles me. Are windowless classrooms now a thing? I'm old, so maybe. Doesn't make much sense, though.

Posted by: Eeyore at May 27, 2022 12:15 PM (R0Tis)

46 When seconds count, they'll wait for hours to act.

Posted by: garrett at May 27, 2022 12:16 PM (KFK1l)

47 I don’t blame them for wanting their own kids. But, it makes everything look way worse.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 27, 2022 12:09 PM (LPcrG)
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I agree. Yes, go in for your kids but save the others too.

I remember my father-in-law telling a story about a friend whose wife was having a very difficult labor and delivery. The doctor came out and says I can save your wife, or your child, you need to decide which. The man said you get back in there and save them both. And God love the doctor, he did.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 27, 2022 12:16 PM (aeePL)

48 The time from conspiracy theory to proof of conspiracy theory is getting shorter and shorter.

We were all conspiracy theorists yesterday, today we are proved correct.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 27, 2022 12:16 PM (WKPeU)

49 According to today's conference, asshole was still shooting kids until at least 12:30PM. He had sixty mags and 1000+ rounds.

Posted by: For gp, The Action IS The Juice at May 27, 2022 12:16 PM (qpX6U)

50 >Never assume incompetence when malice can be blamed.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 27, 2022 12:12 PM (R8uWY)

Yep, I'm a big believer in the Anti-Hanlon's Razor

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 27, 2022 12:16 PM (wPuAx)

51 When this happens again. And it will. The Progs will make damned sure of it. Look for a gross overreaction by Law Enforcement. And then they can say, "See? We told ya so."

Posted by: Diogenes at May 27, 2022 12:16 PM (anj39)

52 i'm so pissed off reading this i might just go back to the Lara Logan thread for a bit to calm down...

Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at May 27, 2022 12:17 PM (p03vF)

53 Chuck Schumer. Die in a fucking fire you worthless piece of shit..

Posted by: garrett at May 27, 2022 12:17 PM (KFK1l)

54 yeah, i should have maybe said it differently, but you know what. as i tye and think, i DO blame them. they could have done something for EVERYONE'S kids, not just their own...

and there's no way to look at this and not decide they wanted a LOT of dead teachers and students.
Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at May 27, 2022 12:14 PM (p03vF)

Shooter is stuck in one classroom. Yeah it's a bad look to be getting their kids out of other classrooms and not letting parents do that, but it's not really affecting body count.

What is affecting body count is the failure to move in on the shooter.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 12:17 PM (b2nrj)

55 Russian journalists are very bright either. One gave away the exact location of a heavy mortar unit. The Ukrainians used the report to target and destroy the unit with counter artillery.

Posted by: Archer at May 27, 2022 12:17 PM (gmo/4)

56 Stormtroopers only storm the law abiding and peaceful.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 27, 2022 12:17 PM (yb0E6)

57 And Mitch McConnell promised to work with the Dems to come up with new laws.

Fucking prick.

What law needs to exist that doesn't already exist??

Don't murder. We have that one.
Don't buy a gun illegally. We have that one.
Don't threaten someone with a gun. We have that one.
Don't kill kids in a school with a rifle. We have that one.

Maybe we need a fucking law that says Democrats need to be banned from making more laws.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 27, 2022 12:18 PM (GsQOb)

58 Those Uvalde cops first reaction was to run not to the gunfire, as claimed by Gov. Abbot, but away and then put out an emergency plea for a taco truck and soft chairs while the waited for actual police to show up. And then they start tasering and pounding on parents who were desperate to save their children. Their children! Those motherfuckers. I don't care how many press conferences the cops have, nothing can erase this stain, the stain of leaving a manic alone for an hour to murder at will while the children that managed to not be massacred covered themselves in the blood of their dead classmates in an attempt to look dead. Again, children covered themselves in the blood of their dead friends to save themselves while armed police officers were outside beating up their parents. There is exactly zero nuance here. None. Fucking cowards.

Posted by: Lost In Space - Now Fortified with Ultra Maga Moon Beams at May 27, 2022 12:18 PM (2mSQi)

59 >Keep in mind if the gunman is firing at you, he's not firing at the children or anyone else. This is 101 CQB.
Posted by: Marcus T, Deus Vult at May 27, 2022 12:13 PM (T0jQj)

Yup. I'm no warrior, but even I understand that if the initial handful of cops had engaged immediately, the shooter would have been busy defending himself or ended up dead, and he wouldn't have been taking shots at the little kids. But the precious cops got to ensure that they all went home without a scratch, and that's what's really important here.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 27, 2022 12:18 PM (wPuAx)

60 The single excuse I had for Uvalde LEOs not breaching the classroom has now vanished. I thought maybe they didn't have the equipment to get through the classroom door and they had to hold for keys.

Nope. The classroom had windows.

https://bit.ly/3GsLKtj

All those LARPing cow molesters standing around, pepper spraying parents, had plates and helmets on. They could have mounted an offensive against a single gunman in a classroom with a wall of windows. But it's safer to taze a mother. She's unarmed.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 27, 2022 12:18 PM (i0wNm)

61 We still blame The NRA, Trump and white people.
- msm

Posted by: Joe Xiden at May 27, 2022 12:18 PM (OalnH)

62
What is it you'd say that you do here?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at May 27, 2022 12:19 PM (ZvxPV)

63 One more, ace

https://tinyurl.com/2p9b4vsr

They let their officers go get THEIR kids.

"LT. CHRISTOPHER OLIVAREZ: Right. So what we do know, Vanessa, right now, that there was some police officers, families trying to get their children out of school because it was a active shooter situation right now."

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 12:19 PM (MCL0p)

64 Scumbag Chuck will never let you down.

Posted by: Shooter McGavin at May 27, 2022 12:19 PM (ccrfq)

65 You needn't worry about a thing once we take away all of YOUR guns, because you will have law enforcement to ready, willing, and able to protect YOU.

Posted by: Gun Control Advocates Everywhere at May 27, 2022 12:19 PM (N1WXz)

66 53 Chuck Schumer. Die in a fucking fire you worthless piece of shit..
Posted by: garrett at May 27, 2022 12:17 PM (KFK1l)


Give McConnell a 100 octane enema and ram Schemer's flaming head up Yertle's ass.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 12:19 PM (s2VJv)

67 Funny how Capitol Police had no problem beating a middle aged woman to death in an instant and shoot a woman in the throat even though none of the J6'er were armed.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 27, 2022 12:19 PM (UuD2k)

68 Speaking as someone who had a troubled teen, let me tell you trying to get effective help is a nightmare. Lots of nice blurbs on websites about their "totally awesome" services and programs, but real actual help? Zero zip nada. Shunted from agency to agency, each one sending you off on another wild goose chase. Private insurance also no help because they refuse to pay for inpatient treatment, and it's 8k a month for private pay. We are lucky that our teen finally turned things around, others aren't so lucky.

Posted by: Inisfree at May 27, 2022 12:19 PM (etE+3)

69

I wonder how many lies will be told at the press conference?

Posted by: four seasons at May 27, 2022 12:19 PM (PisyI)

70 I could be charitable and allow that the Uvalde cops may have figured everyone in the classroom the shooter had entered was already dead so the important thing was keeping him from getting to another classroom until everyone else was evacuated. BUT it doesn't seem like there was any official help to get all the other classrooms evacuated via the windows only reports of ad hoc window breaking and getting kids out. It shouldn't have taken an hour to do that and with miracles of modern trauma treatments they should have been thinking they could save kids in the ground zero classroom after getting the rest of the kids evacuated in the first 10 minutes. It is certainly maddening.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at May 27, 2022 12:19 PM (3cGpq)

71 The single excuse I had for Uvalde LEOs not breaching the classroom has now vanished. I thought maybe they didn't have the equipment to get through the classroom door and they had to hold for keys.

Nope. The classroom had windows.

https://bit.ly/3GsLKtj

All those LARPing cow molesters standing around, pepper spraying parents, had plates and helmets on. They could have mounted an offensive against a single gunman in a classroom with a wall of windows. But it's safer to taze a mother. She's unarmed.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 27, 2022 12:18 PM (i0wNm)

Well said.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at May 27, 2022 12:19 PM (nByzo)

72 Look, man. If I go in to engage the shooter, someone might grab the donuts I wanted. There were glazed AND fritters. I'll be damned if someone gets my apple fritter.

Posted by: Uvalde cop at May 27, 2022 12:20 PM (Geoni)

73 There it is. The fucking spokesman just said the commander on scene thought they had a barricaded subject with no more children at risk.

That's the bullshit line they're going to hide behind.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 27, 2022 12:20 PM (i0wNm)

74 Can’t wait for Abbot’s presentation of medals to these cowards.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 27, 2022 12:20 PM (rBAkF)

75 I noticed the cop said he'd "circle back" when asked a question. Doesn't that phrase now mean "evade, then lie"?

Posted by: Eeyore at May 27, 2022 12:20 PM (R0Tis)

76

Maybe there is something to this Defund the Police thing after all.

God help us.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 12:20 PM (s2VJv)

77 Remember that old book entitled Dial 911 And Die? Yeah, still relevant.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 27, 2022 12:20 PM (wPuAx)

78 School lockdown drills used to freak my daughter out. She had anxiety issues, so I'd try to reassure her that the drills are a good thing and they'll keep her safer in the event of a real emergency. Turns out, she was right to be afraid.

Posted by: 496 at May 27, 2022 12:20 PM (VJsqe)

79 Mitch caved? I am shocked. Just shocked I tell you.

Guess what Mitch? Steve Kerr and Whoopi still hate you and will always hate you. Fucking cuck.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at May 27, 2022 12:20 PM (OalnH)

80 Don't worry they were monitoring the situation.


Posted by: William Eaton at May 27, 2022 12:20 PM (OOxFd)

81 From the Uvalde presser:
The on-scene commander felt it was a barricaded subject, that it was no longer an active shooter situation.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 27, 2022 12:21 PM (N39Ws)

82 Some cops join the force just so they can be in this kind of Uvalde situation: so they can stand between children and murder. They are the minority.

Looks like most of the cops there were following the lesson from the Untouchables: at the end of the day, leave your shift alive.

Cops can go get THEIR kids out fast enough. Other people's kids? Well if you're not a cop, you're Little People.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 27, 2022 12:21 PM (XvPQV)

83 When kids are dying, you do not wait for resources. You are the resources. - Ace-


No truer words.
Those citizens being held at bay wouldn't be trying to get in if the resources their taxes pay for were doing their jobs.

25 years on the job as a cop and you think you're not going to have to risk it all on one day? You shoulda been a janitor.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 27, 2022 12:21 PM (MFphb)

84 We are lucky that our teen finally turned things around, others aren't so lucky.

Posted by: Inisfree at May 27, 2022 12:19 PM (etE+3)

Well done. We are dreading the teenage years.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at May 27, 2022 12:21 PM (nByzo)

85 SCHUMER: “No amount of bloodshed seems to enough for MAGA Republicans.”

*

So the kid was known to government employees in the school system (who flunked him), known to government employee social workers, known to government employee law enforcement who responded to domestic violence calls and didn't charge him, known to government employee law enforcement who responded to calls when he was shooting people with a BB gun and didn't charge him, and it's MY fault that he was able to buy a gun.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 12:21 PM (MCL0p)

86 Saw a picture of the hero that went in and shot that scumbag - and a picture of his cap where a bullet grazed the top of his head.

But some cops managed to get their kids out. Fanfuckingtastic. I'm about to start scrawling ACAB on police cars myself - and I'm guessing Antifa will now be pro cop.

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at May 27, 2022 12:21 PM (qFarZ)

87 We are lucky that our teen finally turned things around, others aren't so lucky.
Posted by: Inisfree at May 27, 2022 12:19 PM (etE+3)
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I know others who have been in your situation, and you are absolutely right. Sometimes things turn out okay, and other times it's a full-blown nightmare.
.
I am very glad your teen came out of that okay. Thanks be to God.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 27, 2022 12:22 PM (aeePL)

88 The presser is getting quite testy

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 27, 2022 12:22 PM (N39Ws)

89 Ultra MAGA? Sounds pretty awesome.

Maybe next we'll be Uber MAGA.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 12:04 PM (LvTSG)

Ultra MAGA vs Uber MAGA would be one hell of a movie.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 27, 2022 12:22 PM (XvPQV)

90 Those Uvalde cops first reaction was to run not to the gunfire, as claimed by Gov. Abbot, but away and then put out an emergency plea for a taco truck and soft chairs while the waited for actual police to show up. And then they start tasering and pounding on parents who were desperate to save their children. Their children! Those motherfuckers. I don't care how many press conferences the cops have, nothing can erase this stain, the stain of leaving a manic alone for an hour to murder at will while the children that managed to not be massacred covered themselves in the blood of their dead classmates in an attempt to look dead. Again, children covered themselves in the blood of their dead friends to save themselves while armed police officers were outside beating up their parents. There is exactly zero nuance here. None. Fucking cowards.
Posted by: Lost In Space - Now Fortified with Ultra Maga Moon Beams at May 27, 2022 12:18

This, so much this. Fucking cowards. I thought we'd seen the last of that kind of shit when the coward of Broward was so rightfully scorned. Nope. Let's all taser parents. Word that rhymes with punts I'd like to use but not sure if it's a bannable offense.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 27, 2022 12:22 PM (HhM4+)

91 Out: when seconds count the police is minutes away

New; when seconds count the police is an hour away

Posted by: Joe Xiden at May 27, 2022 12:22 PM (OalnH)

92 Charge the ambush, get out of the kill zone. In other words, go to the shooter, lay suppressive fire on him, and charge him. Damn.

Posted by: Eromero at May 27, 2022 12:22 PM (gktX6)

93 Yup, gonna start the permit process for a handgun. Home defense and Pookette's school defense.

Posted by: pookysgirl, not counting on Meal Team 6 at May 27, 2022 12:22 PM (XKZwp)

94 Why didn't they try to assault from the outside through the windows? Waiting for the keys? Why not go through the fucking walls?

A couple of pickups with armed officers in the beds drive up to the windows, and breach into the school room.

Posted by: rd at May 27, 2022 12:22 PM (Z32m1)

95 >>SCHUMER: “No amount of bloodshed seems to enough for MAGA Republicans.”


I'd settle for us shedding ALL of Schumer's blood.

Posted by: garrett at May 27, 2022 12:22 PM (KFK1l)

96 >>> My line of work.. failure to follow best practices will result in termination, loss of securities license and maybe prison time.
Posted by: Mishdog at May 27, 2022 12:08 PM (kHqhQ)


There was a yellow sticky note placed on a vending machine at work that is exactly what you'd expect from engineers. It said something like:

"The vending machine has failed in vending and returning change multiple times. If I ever esteemed to the level of incompetence and failure that your service company has demonstrated I would be fired, brought before a board hearing, stripped of my license to operate, and then prosecuted."

We all left it on there because that's typical engineer rage. But also, it's true.

Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 12:23 PM (QzpS1)

97 There it is. The fucking spokesman just said the commander on scene thought they had a barricaded subject with no more children at risk.

That's the bullshit line they're going to hide behind.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 27, 2022 12:20 PM (i0wNm)
***
Well Gee!
Let's see.
It is a school day. Kids are in school. Teachers are in school. And they are in a classroom.
Maybe ya ought to think this excuse through boys.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 27, 2022 12:23 PM (anj39)

98 Styxhexenhammer had an interesting video on this. He said we should disband ALL metro police. We should only have sheriffs. Sheriff is a local, elected position. There is far less corruption there than with a metro police force. I like the idea. It's similar to getting rid of the FBI and just using the Marshall service.

At some point, they need to be held accountable.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at May 27, 2022 12:23 PM (5HBd1)

99 What fucking use are local cops if they can't even try to tackle one lone murderer actually in the process of killing elementary aged kids. Waiting for backup isn't an option. Setting a fire boundary and letting it burn isn't an option. Grrrrr.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable, now with ultra maga at May 27, 2022 12:23 PM (0OmEj)

100 When seconds count, the SWAT team is only an hour away.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at May 27, 2022 12:23 PM (lKAqb)

101 Unless it's bullet proof glass, why not pink mist the guy from a distance?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 27, 2022 12:23 PM (GsQOb)

102 The same type of assholes who'll shoot your pomeranian so they don't get barked at. Can't be too careful.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn DA at May 27, 2022 12:23 PM (T9Dgk)

103 Out before I say something ban-worthy.

Have a day.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at May 27, 2022 12:23 PM (nByzo)

104 What bothers me, and this occurred to me earlier this morning, is that our reaction is probably what the Left wants: that is, for us to completely lose trust in such civic institutions as our local police. A divided and isolated people are easier to rule.

Posted by: Dr. T at May 27, 2022 12:23 PM (Vgw1E)

105 The school district had their own police? Where were they? Donut shop?

Posted by: BignJames at May 27, 2022 12:23 PM (AwYPR)

106 I would like to add: we're hiring police who are terrified of being sued.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 27, 2022 12:23 PM (p+1gI)

107 Cops can go get THEIR kids out fast enough. Other people's kids? Well if you're not a cop, you're Little People.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 27, 2022 12:21 PM (XvPQV)


The dads I know would have been in a shootout in the parking lot.

We're all on our own now.

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at May 27, 2022 12:23 PM (qFarZ)

108 89 Ultra MAGA? Sounds pretty awesome.

Maybe next we'll be Uber MAGA.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 12:04 PM (LvTSG)

Ultra MAGA vs Uber MAGA would be one hell of a movie.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 27, 2022 12:22 PM (XvPQV)

========

I'll get started on casting the cheerleaders.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 12:23 PM (LvTSG)

109 Posted by: Inisfree at May 27, 2022 12:19 PM (etE+3)

Same experience here. Absolutely awful. Everything we held dear is being torn from us. Sorry you had to go through that, and I'm glad things improved.

Posted by: 496 at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM (VJsqe)

110 The perp used a debit card to purchase the weapons. So he had the money.

(So was he a drug runner?)

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM (N39Ws)

111 Nope. The classroom had windows.

https://bit.ly/3GsLKtj

All those LARPing cow molesters standing around, pepper spraying parents, had plates and helmets on. They could have mounted an offensive against a single gunman in a classroom with a wall of windows. But it's safer to taze a mother. She's unarmed.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 27, 2022 12:18 PM (i0wNm)

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This also fires up my conspiracy adled mind.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM (DcKNO)

112 Typical TTP for this situation is advance to gunfire and clear/secure along the way, engage and end the threat. There are other considerations, especially with children involved. But that's the simple version.

Posted by: Marcus T, Deus Vult at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM (T0jQj)

113 Dishonorable men will not serve and protect.


Police have often behaved as badly, or worse. See Warren vs, DC Police. (1978?)

The police department proudly fought and defeated three rape victims, establishing that police don't have to anything.

That case was cited by both Broward county sheriffs department and the school district.

Posted by: Blue Hen at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM (VYjdj)

114 I still think this is the cover story, and the real reason they didn't go in was to avoid being Chauvined in case the shooter was black.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM (ZGrMX)

115 The WH doesn't want to investigate because their grimy hands are somehow involved. I keep saying this and maybe for once it's not true.

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM (3nhrL)

116 I'll get started on casting the cheerleaders.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 12:23 PM (LvTSG)

See if Alexandra Dadario is free

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM (XvPQV)

117 I noticed the cop said he'd "circle back" when asked a question.

It’s a code phrase for “I’m not going to lie to you… yet.”

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM (U+Oxn)

118 99 What fucking use are local cops if they can't even try to tackle one lone murderer actually in the process of killing elementary aged kids. Waiting for backup isn't an option. Setting a fire boundary and letting it burn isn't an option. Grrrrr.
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable, now with ultra maga at May 27, 2022 12:23 PM (0OmEj)

Since now we know the room had windows, it seems like what they should've done is try to get multiple angles of fire on him and improvise entry.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM (b2nrj)

119 I have no doubt that if I was driving 35 in a 30 MPH zone in Uvalde, they wouldn't hesitate to pull my ass over to collect that sweet revenue.

Posted by: Landofskybluewater at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM (Geoni)

120 95 >>SCHUMER: “No amount of bloodshed seems to enough for MAGA Republicans.”


I'd settle for us shedding ALL of Schumer's blood.
Posted by: garrett at May 27, 2022 12:22 PM (KFK1l


Great. Now do abortions, Chuck.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 27, 2022 12:25 PM (GsQOb)

121 Cow molestors?

Posted by: Joe Xiden at May 27, 2022 12:25 PM (OalnH)

122 113 The police department proudly fought and defeated three rape victims, establishing that police don't have to anything.

That case was cited by both Broward county sheriffs department and the school district.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM (VYjdj)

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Super precedent. Can never be questioned.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 12:25 PM (LvTSG)

123 If I were the parent of one of those kids...

(types...deletes...types...deletes...)

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 27, 2022 12:25 PM (bW8dp)

124 Castle Rock v Gonzales, Horde. Police have zero legal duty to rescue anyone.

Posted by: callsign claymore at May 27, 2022 12:25 PM (ZmRfe)

125 Nope. The classroom had windows.

https://bit.ly/3GsLKtj

*

Flashbangs can't break glass, nutjob.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 12:25 PM (MCL0p)

126 serve and protect.
Posted by: Buck Throckmorton f

This is shortsighted or wrong.
Supremes already told us they do not have to protect.
They are forcing vigilantism.

As I said yesterday: soon parents will take these situations in hand and woe betide any LEO that gets in their way.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 27, 2022 12:25 PM (56+8G)

127 Even if the feds do nothing, can't Abbot/Texas government go after these cowards?

Posted by: soft white underbelly at May 27, 2022 12:25 PM (q1wWS)

128 112 Typical TTP for this situation is advance to gunfire and clear/secure along the way, engage and end the threat. There are other considerations, especially with children involved. But that's the simple version.
Posted by: Marcus T, Deus Vult at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM (T0jQj)

Yeah when engaging the shooter in a classroom you have to worry about kids being the backstop, but it seems like they didn't even do what they could to try and engage him.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 12:25 PM (b2nrj)

129 Finally I managed to find a website that let me manually type in the data and get back an activation code (after multiple tries in other ways). But... F you Microsoft.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 11:04 AM (KZzsI)

It's $10 a month, which is cheaper than what you were paying over time every few years before 2010. I'm not a fan, but the price isn't bad.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 27, 2022 12:26 PM (44ww/)

130 105 The school district had their own police? Where were they? Donut shop?
Posted by: BignJames at May 27, 2022 12:23 PM (AwYPR)

One was on his way back to that school. The school system had 4 officers plus maybe a LT and a higher ranking officer. That staff to cover 4 schools. So a Dunkin Donut run is not out of the question.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 27, 2022 12:26 PM (N39Ws)

131 I need to keep my thoughts to myself.

I'll just say this: a little girl covered herself in the blood of her dead best friend and played dead to survive.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 27, 2022 12:26 PM (ptqGC)

132 I would like to add: we're hiring police who are terrified of being sued.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 27, 2022 12:23 PM (p+1gI)


Or terrified of being called racist. Being filmed doing their job. It's no longer a calling, it's a career choice. And just like some guy in a cubicle, he'll ignore what he needs to and mind his own fucking business.

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at May 27, 2022 12:26 PM (qFarZ)

133 I'll bet he thinks those things make him look smart, but he looks like Professor Retard teaching Advanced Theory and Practice of Retardation to the Special Placement retards at the New York Institute of Being Retarded. Posted by: William F. "Buck" Dharma at May 27, 2022 12:09 PM (oedLL)

It's his "look" All the senior leadership and wannabees have a look. Which is one other reason I don't trust Tulsi Gabbard.
It is supposed to make them stand out, but I keep thinking of the comic book villains. The Bad Guys in Dick Tracy had that look so you could tell the difference between fairly bland, monotonous characters.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 27, 2022 12:26 PM (xhaym)

134 Makes you wonder if a lot of the wrong people are feeling particularly emboldened today.

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 12:26 PM (3nhrL)

135 114 I still think this is the cover story, and the real reason they didn't go in was to avoid being Chauvined in case the shooter was black.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM (ZGrMX)

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One of them should come out and say that, even if it is on condition of anonymity. They don't have to go to the legacy media to get that out there, if it's true.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at May 27, 2022 12:26 PM (TNyrE)

136 Texas is the last place one would think those charged with this responsibility wouldn't advance to gunfire. I'll wait for the final report, but I would stick up on clown shoes futures.

Posted by: Marcus T, Deus Vult at May 27, 2022 12:26 PM (T0jQj)

137 The perp used a debit card to purchase the weapons. So he had the money.

(So was he a drug runner?)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM

The shit this kid had between guns and ammo is well north of 5K easily. And Grandma and Grandpa didn't notice that might be a bit unusual? WTF. My vote is he was working for the cartel as an Uber mule for drugs or people. Of course if that came out, we might want to actually do something about the border. Nah. Narrative and all.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 27, 2022 12:26 PM (HhM4+)

138 116 I'll get started on casting the cheerleaders.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 12:23 PM (LvTSG)

See if Alexandra Dadario is free
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM (XvPQV)

=========

https://tinyurl.com/54j9spcd

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 12:26 PM (LvTSG)

139 114 I still think this is the cover story, and the real reason they didn't go in was to avoid being Chauvined in case the shooter was black.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM (ZGrMX)

Ding ding ding

Posted by: Joe Xiden at May 27, 2022 12:26 PM (OalnH)

140 Well done. We are dreading the teenage years.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at May 27, 2022 12:21 PM (nByzo)
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Don't dread them, flounder, just keep an eye out. Keep them close and keep talking to them. And if anything starts, get right on it.

Remember, no one ever has smooth sailing all the time. Ali we can do is to do our best.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 27, 2022 12:26 PM (aeePL)

141 Russian journalists are very bright either. One gave away the exact location of a heavy mortar unit. The Ukrainians used the report to target and destroy the unit with counter artillery.
Posted by: Archer at May 27, 2022 12:17 PM (gmo/4)

Unbelievable!

Gerry Rivers

Posted by: t_bodie - Lurker. Unless you are reading this. at May 27, 2022 12:27 PM (4EnF8)

142 - Take a knee when cities burn.
- Harass church and synagogue-goers for breaking lockdown order to go and pray.
- Look the other way as Antifa/BLM terrorists beat up Andy Ngo and others like him.
- Murder unarmed protesters in the Capitol AFTER allowing them into the building where they thought they were safe.
- Sit on your asses in Broward and Uvalde while children are slaughtered.

Then complain about the war on law enforcement??????

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 12:27 PM (s2VJv)

143 I don’t blame them for wanting their own kids. But, it makes everything look way worse.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 27, 2022 12:09 PM (LPcrG)

When they're on the clock, I blame them. They have a job to do that requires understanding their responsibilities.

Posted by: WiNO at May 27, 2022 12:27 PM (EpDzw)

144 The person speaking at the presser is putting a lot on the decision of the "on-scene commander" thinking it was a barricaded subject and not an active shooter scenario.

Funny, with gunfire still occurring, at what point does that dumbass think it isn't an active shooter scene?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 27, 2022 12:27 PM (N39Ws)

145 Do we know the name of the hero Border Patrol agent who tool out the shooter?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 27, 2022 12:27 PM (rzOL9)

146 The names of every Uvalde police officer should be known. Put a picture of each officer next to each dead child.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 27, 2022


***
In a sane society, every one of them would be driven out by the citizens and have to find other work and other places to live. Of course, were this a sane society, the cops would have gone after the guy immediately no matter what it took.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 27, 2022 12:27 PM (txdEq)

147 IF the reporting on this is true, we could use one new law:

Juvenile records are sealed AFTER 10 years as an adult with no further crimes.

If this murderer had a juvenile record (as reported) and could buy a gun because he had no adult record (as reported), THAT LAW could have had an effect.

(NOW, I may be mistaken and this isn't an issue with the current law. But if it is, I have no problem with juvenile offenses being used to fail a background check.)

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 27, 2022 12:27 PM (N1tpc)

148 You remember how Las Vegas became the issue of the election? But then it was forgotten completely because all of the facts were bad for the narrative?

Yeah, that's what I expect to happen here.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 12:03 PM (LvTSG)


As I said on the other thread, I'm expecting some scapegoat cop or chief to either 'retire' or be fired over this and be told that the rest of the Hillarys on the force will be 'retrained' or 'updated on gun scenarios.'

Frankly, not a single Uvalde parent should show up at Stinkfinger's campaign rally, but hold their own press conference and blast the shit out of the local PD. But they won't do that, and even if they did, the MFM would never cover it.

It really is amazing how I have come to, if not embrace, at least sympathize with the ACAB mindset.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 27, 2022 12:27 PM (2JVJo)

149 I need to keep my thoughts to myself.

I'll just say this: a little girl covered herself in the blood of her dead best friend and played dead to survive.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 27, 2022 12:26 PM

Yep, I just can't Good God.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 27, 2022 12:27 PM (HhM4+)

150 I would like to add: we're hiring police who are terrified of being sued.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 27, 2022 12:23 PM (p+1gI)

...but not when they went to the wrong address and shot their dog. We've got opposing problems that ought to be mutually exclusive.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 27, 2022 12:27 PM (44ww/)

151 Ultra MAGA? Sounds pretty awesome.

Maybe next we'll be Uber MAGA.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 12:04 PM (LvTSG)

Ultra MAGA vs Uber MAGA would be one hell of a movie.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 27, 2022 12:22 PM (XvPQV)

pikers

Posted by: Godzilla vs Mothra - The Original Version at May 27, 2022 12:28 PM (p03vF)

152 Castle Rock v Gonzales, Horde. Police have zero legal duty to rescue anyone.
Posted by: callsign claymore at May 27, 2022 12:25 PM (ZmRfe)


Then there is zero reason for the police to exist.

Posted by: Dr. T at May 27, 2022 12:28 PM (Vgw1E)

153 To Serve (ourselves) and Protect (ourselves)

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at May 27, 2022 12:28 PM (flINI)

154 124 Castle Rock v Gonzales, Horde. Police have zero legal duty to rescue anyone.
Posted by: callsign claymore at May 27, 2022 12:25 PM (ZmRfe)

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I understand the police who did nothing could/would win in court. However, as Matt Walsh said, doesn't our DNA instinctively tell us to go in and protect children with the possible cost of our own lives?

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:28 PM (DcKNO)

155 Is it confirmed that the shooter was targeting the school in advance? Do the texts support that?

He shot his grandmother in a rage, drove off in his truck and crashed it near the school, then spend some time shooting outside before he entered. Maybe the school just happened to be adjacent to where he crashed?

Posted by: soft white underbelly at May 27, 2022 12:28 PM (q1wWS)

156 What bothers me, and this occurred to me earlier this morning, is that our reaction is probably what the Left wants: that is, for us to completely lose trust in such civic institutions as our local police. A divided and isolated people are easier to rule.

It’s what happens every time the left takes over a respected institution. Before the institution takes active measures to fight against the public, they stop taking active measures to do what the public thought was their job.

So yes, we should be losing trust in the police, or at least this particular police. Their goals have changed; they just haven’t told us their new goals yet.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 27, 2022 12:28 PM (U+Oxn)

157 last few lines: email from Talcum X:

It's an unforgivable abomination of HORRIBLE policing. Absolutely horrible. ⁣

And thoughts and prayers are not enough. This should make all of us want to stop what happened to the people we're thinking about and praying for from EVER HAPPENING AGAIN.⁣

We are going to have to tear down the existing, failed systems that do not protect us. And reimagine something new and redemptive.

Because one thing is clear: Police do not keep us safe.

[from what he wrote, you'd think he was watching Tucker last night and taking notes]

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at May 27, 2022 12:28 PM (Ynyl9)

158 I'll get started on casting the cheerleaders.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 12:23 PM (LvTSG)

See if Alexandra Dadario is free
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM (XvPQV)


I suspect she is going to be more than $20.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 27, 2022 12:28 PM (anj39)

159 Texas is the last place one would think those charged with this responsibility wouldn't advance to gunfire. I'll wait for the final report, but I would stick up on clown shoes futures.

Texas was one of the first places there was a big report on teachers shoving CRT down kids' throats. The institutions there have been well and thoroughly captured.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 27, 2022 12:28 PM (ZGrMX)

160 Then complain about the war on law enforcement??????
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 12:27 PM (s2VJv)

I knew a police officer (a LT. at the time, now he's an Asst. Chief) who couldn't wait to take a knee for the BLM b.s.

Lost all respect for him at that. And haven't seen/spoken to him since.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 27, 2022 12:28 PM (N39Ws)

161 This is a Universal International Problem.

Remember the Russian School that was overrun by Chechen Terrorists about ten years ago? A three day standoff while they were beating, raping, torturing and killing the schoolchildren.

It finally ended in a bloodbath when local citizens stormed the school from the side. And many of the terrorists escaped the Russian Police/ Army perimeter.

Posted by: rd at May 27, 2022 12:29 PM (Z32m1)

162 "Yeah when engaging the shooter in a classroom you have to worry about kids being the backstop, but it seems like they didn't even do what they could to try and engage him.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 12:25 PM (b2nrj)"

Yes and no. Depends on your angle of attack. If the shooter is firing at you he's exposed at some point. Even if he has defilade.

Posted by: Marcus T, Deus Vult at May 27, 2022 12:29 PM (T0jQj)

163 Abbott better get his ass front and center right now.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 27, 2022 12:29 PM (7jpYK)

164 > In a sane society, every one of them would be driven out by the citizens and have to find other work and other places to live.

This is a Latino town.

I'd imagine they're going to need to be watching their backs for the rest of their lives.

And they richly deserve it.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 27, 2022 12:29 PM (bW8dp)

165 Leave Schumer alone!

Posted by: McConnell at May 27, 2022 12:29 PM (ZAS8/)

166 55 Russian journalists are very bright either. One gave away the exact location of a heavy mortar unit. The Ukrainians used the report to target and destroy the unit with counter artillery.
Posted by: Archer at May 27, 2022 12:17 PM (gmo/4)

You mean, they can do that?

Posted by: Geraldo Rivera at May 27, 2022 12:29 PM (I6MNo)

167 What fucking use are local cops if they can't even try to tackle one lone murderer actually in the process of killing elementary aged kids.
==

Writing tickets and using asset forfeiture to pad pensions. It really is now their only use.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 27, 2022 12:29 PM (WKPeU)

168 Las Vegas was in, 2017, not an election year.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at May 27, 2022 12:29 PM (OalnH)

169 Same experience here. Absolutely awful. Everything we held dear is being torn from us. Sorry you had to go through that, and I'm glad things improved.
Posted by: 496 at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM (VJsqe)
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Oh no. I'm so sorry. Don't give up. I'll pray for your family. Keep going.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 27, 2022 12:29 PM (aeePL)

170 To repeat something I noted earlier today, it's obvious that there is NO actual leadership at any level of the Uvalde Police Dep't. Oh sure there are timeclock punchers with titles, but no leaders. With no leadership, the police on the scene did what most people do in a dangerous situation - hunker down and try to save themselves. Even soldiers will do that if they're left on their own, unless there's a strong Leader ready to kick their asses and make them get out there and fight.

Re-watched Patton not long ago. Patton more than anyone knew well that the main difference between a great fighting force and a useless one is effective, focused Leadership.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 12:29 PM (trdmm)

171 114 I still think this is the cover story, and the real reason they didn't go in was to avoid being Chauvined in case the shooter was black.
Posted by: Ian S.

I think there is some of that. that jury has blood on their hands along with everyone who lamented poor George, the piece of shit career criminal who OD'd, resisted arrest, and went out crying like a little gay bitch.

Posted by: x at May 27, 2022 12:29 PM (uQFwj)

172 Did the fucking commander on scene who decided this was a barricaded subject with no kids at risk command someone to go fucking confirm they didn't have a pile of kids bleeding out while they changed posture to barricaded subject?

Posted by: bonhomme at May 27, 2022 12:29 PM (i0wNm)

173 They do not know where the gunman is. They are hearing gunshots. They are receiving gunshots.


Bull fucking shit. They are hearing shot or they are receiving fire. Not both.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 27, 2022 12:29 PM (c8pZY)

174 Ultra Blood MAGA

Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2022 12:29 PM (ZLI7S)

175 I am disgusted beyond belief.
Nauseated even.

"Protect and Serve."
My ass.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 27, 2022 12:29 PM (m+dUi)

176 There are plenty of good police. But, being an officer has transformed into the best available job for the lowest common denominator in society.

So many officers are just there for the pension, benefits and power.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 27, 2022 12:30 PM (rBAkF)

177 but let me point out that the Border Patrol agents probably have more experience dealing with armed lunatics than the local cops had.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at May 27, 2022 12:30 PM (Ynyl9)

178 As the NRA often says - when seconds matter the police are minutes away. Maybe minutes and hours, respectively, but in any event - if these suspicions are true this incident is hardly an argument for gun control, and definitely an argument for more gun presence in what are now "gun-free zones".

Posted by: Emil Blatz at May 27, 2022 12:30 PM (7mRgx)

179 Thought: With the "on scene commander" thinking it is a barricade situation - what of the victims who were shot? Those who had possible survivable injuries but were bleeding out?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 27, 2022 12:30 PM (N39Ws)

180 The Democrats were begging for another mass caulaty event and...like magic, they got one.


They always have the best of luck with these things.

Posted by: garrett at May 27, 2022 12:30 PM (KFK1l)

181 >The on-scene commander felt it was a barricaded subject, that it was no longer an active shooter situation.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 27, 2022 12:21 PM (N39Ws)

Ignoring that's a load of bullshit on its face, some cops were giving pursuit when he ran into the school. They should have immediately gave chase inside the school, because no one had been shot yet but there was a very imminent threat. It's a farcical excuse, but it will probably work on a number of Boomer cons.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 27, 2022 12:30 PM (wPuAx)

182 See if Alexandra Dadario is free
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM (XvPQV)

=========

https://tinyurl.com/54j9spcd
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 12:26 PM (LvTSG)

Want

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 27, 2022 12:30 PM (XvPQV)

183
Corporations
Cops
The Generals........

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 12:30 PM (0U5IE)

184 They failed those kids every step of the way. Every cop who stood around listening to that monster shoot those kids should resign, and the includes the feds that were there too.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 27, 2022 12:30 PM (bVYXr)

185 "No amount of bloodshed seems to be enough for MAGA Republicans."

And this, right here, is how you know there is nothing in DC but a Uniparty. Were I Senator Poppins, 'comity' be dammed. I would grab that fat fuck Schumer and introduce his face to a brick wall.

But none of our rootin' tootin' hard-ass conservatives will so much as muss his hair.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 27, 2022 12:30 PM (2JVJo)

186 > This is a Latino town.


Wikipedia says about 15,000 population, about 80% Hispanic.

Yeah, the townsfolk know the names of these cops, and where they live.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 27, 2022 12:30 PM (bW8dp)

187 I still think this is the cover story, and the real reason they didn't go in was to avoid being Chauvined in case the shooter was black.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM (ZGrMX)

Ding ding ding
Posted by: Joe Xiden


The inclination to show up, do paperwork and posture has been present for decades, as is shooting dogs, hassling and ticketing legal drivers, pulling over women and that list goes on.

It's easier and safer.

When they do raids, they often tend to fuck things up, and use them on non violent crimes.

Posted by: Blue Hen at May 27, 2022 12:30 PM (VYjdj)

188 12 Tucker Carlson got to the heart of the matter, why aren't we asking the right questions?

This kid was troubled. And everyone knew it. Why was nothing done? What's going on in society? We're drugging our kids with meds that make them crazier and suicidal, why? Kids are isolated and spend all their time with a computer instead of with people. They are not having relationships or being outdoors.

He said it all better than I could.
Posted by: Seems Legit

You hear on the commercial that a side effect of anti-depressants can be suicide. It's because some really really depressed people can't get out of bed, and the anti-depressants give them just enough gumption to get up tie a rope and hang themselves. Are these kids getting mobilized by anti-depressants.

And why can't social media censors do something useful like identifying and reporting these guys threats instead of some lady who says that she wished she'd voted for Trumnp.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn DA at May 27, 2022 12:30 PM (T9Dgk)

189 Every bullet sent towards the officers would have been a bullet not sent towards a child.

At the very least.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 27, 2022 12:30 PM (GsQOb)

190 I think there's a left/right coalition developing that law enforcement is pretty worthless and expensive.

Posted by: Victory at May 27, 2022 12:31 PM (rBBAA)

191 I understand the police who did nothing could/would win in court. However, as Matt Walsh said, doesn't our DNA instinctively tell us to go in and protect children with the possible cost of our own lives?
Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:28 PM (DcKNO)

Our own kids, not someone else's. That requires a higher level of morality that is instilled into people.

Posted by: WiNO at May 27, 2022 12:31 PM (EpDzw)

192 168 Las Vegas was in, 2017, not an election year.
Posted by: Joe Xiden at May 27, 2022 12:29 PM (OalnH)

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Never said it happened in an election year.

It was just the largest mass shooting in American history...and then forgotten.

That's my point.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 12:31 PM (LvTSG)

193 there's more interest in this siruation than our exit in Afghanistan

the culmination of trillions of doallrs wasted

yeah, I know dead Kids

those guys that were killed in Afghanistan were pretty fucking young

Posted by: REDACTED at May 27, 2022 12:31 PM (us2H3)

194 160 Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 27, 2022 12:28 PM (N39Ws)

Having been born and raised in NYC, having seen the best of the cops and the worst and knowing a few of them personally, this shit is just too painful.

But our nation as it is today, and sadly law enforcement as it is today, I can no longer unequivocally and automatically support law enforcement.

It is what it is and I have to accept it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 12:31 PM (s2VJv)

195 Things that never be talked about in the media.

He was a cartel mule
Cops were afraid to be Chauvined
A border patrol agent was the hero

All 3 truths that go against the narrative

Posted by: Joe Xiden at May 27, 2022 12:31 PM (OalnH)

196 Oh no. I'm so sorry. Don't give up. I'll pray for your family. Keep going.
Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 27, 2022 12:29 PM (aeePL)

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Thank you, but seriously it's too late for us. Keep Inisfree in your prayers.

Posted by: 496 at May 27, 2022 12:31 PM (VJsqe)

197 New news on the Uvalde killer: not long before the shooting, he was playing an online game, lost badly, and started raving on the voice chat that he was going to shoot up a school. Other players in the session reported him to the FIB, who did nothing.

Posted by: Ian S.




Collect ypur winnings, every single person here.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 27, 2022 12:31 PM (kstj5)

198 So yes, we should be losing trust in the police, or at least this particular police. Their goals have changed; they just haven’t told us their new goals yet.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 27, 2022 12:28 PM (U+Oxn)


Oh, I'm not disputing that. It's deeply regrettable that the Leftist rot has spread so far, but that is where we're at right now, and we have to recognize that Officer Friendly is as much our enemy as the local gangbanger.

Posted by: Dr. T at May 27, 2022 12:32 PM (Vgw1E)

199 It's not surprising.

Not at all.

I don't think it's an indictment of cops. To be fair, most humans are cowards, not just in the face of gunfire, but everything else.

Did the last few years teach us nothing? People are scared of sniffles. People will subject themselves to unwanted treatments because they are scared of losing jobs. People are scared of protecting their own communities. They are scared of being called racist. They are scared of everything and all are completely awash in moral cowardice and robed in an abject fear of death because in their hearts they are convinced it's the end of existence.

It's kind of easy to say what someone else should've done, but in truth, if 99.9% walked up on the scene and didn't have a child inside they'd have just gotten their phones out to record the terrifying shrieks of pain and terror.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 27, 2022 12:32 PM (ELbmp)

200
Then there is zero reason for the police to exist.
Posted by: Dr. T at May 27, 2022 12:28 PM (Vgw1E)

those donuts won't eat themselves, you know.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 12:32 PM (trdmm)

201 I still think this is the cover story, and the real reason they didn't go in was to avoid being Chauvined in case the shooter was black.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM (ZGrMX)

Ding ding ding
Posted by: Joe Xiden

No. Virtually everyone involved is Hispanic. You think they care?

Posted by: WiNO at May 27, 2022 12:32 PM (EpDzw)

202 Question just now: "How many students died in those 48 minutes?"

Spokes weasel: "I don't know."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 27, 2022 12:32 PM (ptqGC)

203 192

Yes but had it happened in an election year it would not have been, that was my point.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at May 27, 2022 12:32 PM (OalnH)

204 Something about this doesn't make sense to me. They talk about the kids hiding from the shooter. Also police called top the kids and when they answered they got shot too. Classroom aren't that big, normally. Where would they hide for an hour? And when would the shooter be when the cop called out that they wouldn't see him? I have a hard time visualizing this

Posted by: Ripley at May 27, 2022 12:32 PM (MxEKc)

205 OMG, that f'ing bitch, who is in power you corrupt blood libel bitch?

I choose not to use the C word, but appropriate.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 27, 2022 12:32 PM (8GBH4)

206 [Comment from the last thread:]

86 New news on the Uvalde killer: not long before the shooting, he was playing an online game, lost badly, and started raving on the voice chat that he was going to shoot up a school. Other players in the session reported him to the FIB, who did nothing.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 27, 2022 11:22 AM (ZGrMX)

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at May 27, 2022 12:32 PM (TZivQ)

207 Adding ivermectin at every fill up will help to increase fuel mileage

Posted by: Steve at May 27, 2022 12:32 PM (7cyn/)

208 See if Alexandra Dadario is free
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM (XvPQV)


I suspect she is going to be more than $20.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 27, 2022 12:28 PM (anj39)

Buy once, cry once

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 27, 2022 12:32 PM (XvPQV)

209 They always have the best of luck with these things.
Posted by: garrett at May 27, 2022 12:30 PM (KFK1l)

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Don't they though?

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:33 PM (DcKNO)

210 >>> doesn't our DNA instinctively tell us to go in and protect children with the possible cost of our own lives?
Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:28 PM (DcKNO)


No, our dna tells us to protect our particular genetic code first, then second those of our offspring, then perhaps join with a similar dna line pack. Altruism, and basic self-sacrifice doesn't come from dna. The actions of those lay-about functionaries were completely in line with their dna needs.

Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 12:33 PM (QzpS1)

211 At this point, I'm surprised Iran doesn't just invade.

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 12:33 PM (jHiuA)

212 Next we will find out that the killer DoorDashed taco bell 30 minutes in.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 27, 2022 12:33 PM (R8uWY)

213 154 124 Castle Rock v Gonzales, Horde. Police have zero legal duty to rescue anyone.
Posted by: callsign claymore at May 27, 2022 12:25 PM (ZmRfe)
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I understand the police who did nothing could/would win in court. However, as Matt Walsh said, doesn't our DNA instinctively tell us to go in and protect children with the possible cost of our own lives?
Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:28 PM (DcKNO)


I hate racial set asides and special racial privileges. But I hope the Hispanic Victims find a way to use their race to hold the police accountable.

Posted by: rd at May 27, 2022 12:33 PM (Z32m1)

214 Maybe protecting government agents from the consequences of their actions and inactions was a...bad idea?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 12:33 PM (LvTSG)

215 The Mosley doctrine of law enforcement

"Give the killer time to murder."

Fvck those craven mewling bantha fvckers

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 27, 2022 12:33 PM (Fa9OY)

216 Posted by: Joe Xiden at May 27, 2022 12:31 PM (OalnH)

the near retirees are super hesitant and the new hires are unqualified

Feguson Effect on steroids

Posted by: REDACTED at May 27, 2022 12:33 PM (us2H3)

217 They do not know where the gunman is. They are hearing gunshots. They are receiving gunshots.


Bull fucking shit. They are hearing shot or they are receiving fire. Not both.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 27, 2022 12:29 PM (c8pZY)
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Spoiler Alert: They were NOT receiving gunshots. This is the first we have heard this lie.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 27, 2022 12:33 PM (WKPeU)

218 Shunted from agency to agency, each one sending you off on another wild goose chase. Private insurance also no help because they refuse to pay for inpatient treatment, and it's 8k a month for private pay. We are lucky that our teen finally turned things around, others aren't so lucky.
Posted by: Inisfree


Yes. Another ignored problem that few seem to be interested in.

The fatherlessness problem is also one that has to be addressed. Kids who are in that kid's situation need to be placed in a AA like program at school at the very least.

I bet $40 billion would have gone a long way to helping each of those but OH WELLL!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 27, 2022 12:33 PM (IEa8U)

219 Brave, brave, brave officer Robin.

Posted by: 29Victor at May 27, 2022 12:33 PM (BJKQV)

220 212 Next we will find out that the killer DoorDashed taco bell 30 minutes in.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 27, 2022 12:33 PM (R8uWY)

=======

And the DoorDash guy got in and out. Decent tip, too.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 12:33 PM (LvTSG)

221 Finally I managed to find a website that let me manually type in the data and get back an activation code (after multiple tries in other ways). But... F you Microsoft.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 11:04 AM (KZzsI)

It's $10 a month, which is cheaper than what you were paying over time every few years before 2010. I'm not a fan, but the price isn't bad.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 27, 2022 12:26 PM (44ww/)

Not even close. Last time I purchased an OS was 2009, the extended support for which ended in 2020, before I switched to Linux because of the subscription model BS. Now I run the same stuff in a VM.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at May 27, 2022 12:34 PM (nByzo)

222 Morning.

How can someone say in one breath that officers don't know where the killer is and then say they are receiving shots. Well shit, dude, I'd say he's right there shooting at you.

Posted by: Robert at May 27, 2022 12:34 PM (1Yy3c)

223 The Biden White House, which has demanded federal inquiries into every single cop shooting of an "unarmed (but actually armed) black man" in the past two years," refuses to call for an investigation into the Uvalde DPS's handling of this massacre.


IOW, Dear Mexican Americans,
You suck hind tit on the victim totem pole.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 27, 2022 12:34 PM (c8pZY)

224 But boy do cops act like seasoned "warriors" when they pull someone over for speeding or hey write a parking ticket.

We have a motorcycle cop that screams at parents at my kids school, gets off on pulling over people and reading them the riot act for minor infractions.

Posted by: Victory at May 27, 2022 12:34 PM (rBBAA)

225 I'll get started on casting the cheerleaders.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 12:23 PM (LvTSG)

See if Alexandra Dadario is free
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM (XvPQV)

ask about Anna Kendrick too

Posted by: Godzilla vs Mothra - The Original Version at May 27, 2022 12:34 PM (p03vF)

226 This is a Latino town.

I'd imagine they're going to need to be watching their backs for the rest of their lives.

And they richly deserve it.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia

*

That's a terrible thing to say.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 12:34 PM (MCL0p)

227 Thank you, but seriously it's too late for us. Keep Inisfree in your prayers.
Posted by: 496 at May 27, 2022 12:31 PM (VJsqe)
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There is room in my prayers for both of you, I promise. It's never too late to ask for healing, for peace, and for comfort.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 27, 2022 12:35 PM (aeePL)

228 When they're on the clock, I blame them. They have a job to do that requires understanding their responsibilities.

There used to be a genre of thriller that would force the hero to make a choice: protect their charges, or protect their loved ones.

I wonder if that would even be a choice nowadays, and how many viewers would understand the conflict?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 27, 2022 12:35 PM (U+Oxn)

229 'Altruism, and basic self-sacrifice doesn't come from dna.'

Altruistic behaviors are well documented in a variety of animal species, so at least in these cases it does. There are a variety of theories, e.g. kinship-selection.

Humans may be different.

Posted by: soft white underbelly at May 27, 2022 12:35 PM (q1wWS)

230 217 They do not know where the gunman is. They are hearing gunshots. They are receiving gunshots.


Bull fucking shit. They are hearing shot or they are receiving fire. Not both.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 27, 2022 12:29 PM (c8pZY)
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Spoiler Alert: They were NOT receiving gunshots. This is the first we have heard this lie.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 27, 2022 12:33 PM (WKPeU)

Could be conflating when they first arrived and supposedly exchanged fire, after which the murderer ran into a classroom and locked the door.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 12:35 PM (b2nrj)

231
America, Fuck Yeah
Coming again to stand around outside all day

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 12:35 PM (SjmaH)

232 Say what you want about the northeast, but in this town he would have been dead before he got to the front door.

Posted by: Marcus T, Deus Vult at May 27, 2022 12:36 PM (VpIIl)

233 It's kind of easy to say what someone else should've done, but in truth, if 99.9% walked up on the scene and didn't have a child inside they'd have just gotten their phones out to record the terrifying shrieks of pain and terror.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 27, 2022 12:32 PM (ELbmp)

I agree with you that the vast majority of people (including those with badges) are prone to be cowards in life and death situations. That's why Leadership is so important; a true Leader has the ability to galvanize his units will and inspire them to do things they would never dare to do on their own. That's what this situation needed, and that's what was so sadly lacking.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 12:36 PM (trdmm)

234 154 Tens of millions of Americans have no clue about Castle Rock v Gonzales, which is why I mention it. Dialing 911 and waiting to be rescued can be fatal.

As for the impulse to rescue kids, of course. I have law enforcement friends who'd blow off Castle Rock and orders from superiors to rescue kids in danger.

Posted by: callsign claymore at May 27, 2022 12:36 PM (ZmRfe)

235 It's kind of easy to say what someone else should've done, but in truth, if 99.9% walked up on the scene and didn't have a child inside they'd have just gotten their phones out to record the terrifying shrieks of pain and terror.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 27, 2022 12:32 PM (ELbmp)

I sure as hell would not have handcuffed and tazed the parents who DID have kids in there. And cops are hired to protect other people's kids. It's their damned job.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at May 27, 2022 12:36 PM (LOVUx)

236 Mitch is most powerful as the grifting minority leader. He is doing his best to keep it that way. Precinctstrategy.com if anyone gives a shit after all this.

Posted by: Valiant at May 27, 2022 12:36 PM (cy2xC)

237 For anyone who is interested in this sort of thing:

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Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 12:36 PM (MCL0p)

238 not long before the shooting, he was playing an online game, lost badly, and started raving on the voice chat that he was going to shoot up a school. Other players in the session reported him to the FIB, who did nothing.

______

I honestly think Hollywood and video games have far more to do with school shootings than AR-15s.

Im not for banning anything, but the idea this is at the NRA's feet is absurd.

I'm also sure all sorts of Big Pharma products were in this kid's medicine cabinet.

Posted by: Victory at May 27, 2022 12:36 PM (rBBAA)

239 I was away for a week on Catalina Island and deliberately ignoring the news. But I did hear about this shooting. Without knowing any details whatsoever, I properly surmised 99% of the story, including that the local police fucked this to high heaven.

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 27, 2022 12:36 PM (iFTx/)

240 re 147: Nikolas Cruz. Obama Admin wanted to end the School to Prison pipeline.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at May 27, 2022 12:36 PM (Ynyl9)

241 Spoiler Alert: They were NOT receiving gunshots. This is the first we have heard this lie.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 27, 2022 12:33 PM (WKPeU)

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There is a lot of lying to cover asses on this shooting.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:36 PM (DcKNO)

242 OT: I'm taking in one of my XD9 slides to get milled for a Holosun. The conversion of half my pistols into red dot platforms advances.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 27, 2022 12:36 PM (XvPQV)

243 Wow - so it is just as bad as we thought. I guess we may get more clarification, but this sounds pretty bad. Police Chief needs to go. Every cop who stood around setting up a perimeter needs to be fired, they also need to have their governmental immunity waived and allow parents to sue both the city and the individual cops. Yes, the feminization of our society is complete. Fucking cowards. You figure out where the shooter is, you evacuate classrooms as you go, as fast as you can. These guys are holding hostages, they are looking to make a headline. You engage with the lunatic right away right away. Take his attention away from just randomly shooting kids.

Fucking coward cops. I don't own a gun anymore. I just didn't feel the need. Now I feel like maybe that needs to be re-evaluated.

Posted by: Black JEM at May 27, 2022 12:36 PM (LyTO1)

244 SCHUMER: “No amount of bloodshed seems to enough for MAGA Republicans.”

I'd settle for us shedding ALL of Schumer's blood.

Posted by: garrett at May 27, 2022 12:22 PM (KFK1l)

You'll get: Period blood themed breakfast cereal.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at May 27, 2022 12:37 PM (nByzo)

245 >>Altruistic behaviors are well documented in a variety of animal species, so at least in these cases it does. There are a variety of theories, e.g. kinship-selection.


Altruism requires cognition.

Check your Science.

Posted by: garrett at May 27, 2022 12:37 PM (KFK1l)

246 I'll just say this: a little girl covered herself in the blood of her dead best friend and played dead to survive.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 27, 2022


***
Smart -- a survival tactic. It's horrible that she needed it at all -- but it shows survival skills.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 27, 2022 12:37 PM (txdEq)

247 The murderer walked around outside the school, firing his weapon, for twelve minutes. I can't understand why the cops didn't take this opportunity to shoot him in the head.

This makes absolutely no sense.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 27, 2022 12:37 PM (sWM8x)

248 97 There it is. The fucking spokesman just said the commander on scene thought they had a barricaded subject with no more children at risk.

That's the bullshit line they're going to hide behind.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 27, 2022 12:20 PM (i0wNm)
***
Well Gee!
Let's see.
It is a school day. Kids are in school. Teachers are in school. And they are in a classroom.
Maybe ya ought to think this excuse through boys.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 27, 2022 12:23 PM (anj39)


The "Incident Commander" thought all the kids in the rooms were already dead?

Posted by: rd at May 27, 2022 12:37 PM (Z32m1)

249 >>> Something about this doesn't make sense to me. They talk about the kids hiding from the shooter. Also police called top the kids and when they answered they got shot too. Classroom aren't that big, normally. Where would they hide for an hour? And when would the shooter be when the cop called out that they wouldn't see him? I have a hard time visualizing this
Posted by: Ripley at May 27, 2022 12:32 PM (MxEKc)


It would appear the police were helping the guy sight the kids. They probably heard a lull in the carnage. The instruction to call out greatly assisted in flushing out the prey.

Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 12:37 PM (QzpS1)

250 Maybe next we'll be Uber MAGA.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 12:04 PM


Don't forget the wind beneath our wings.

Posted by: Lyft MAGA at May 27, 2022 12:37 PM (a3Q+t)

251 What bothers me, and this occurred to me earlier this morning, is that our reaction is probably what the Left wants: that is, for us to completely lose trust in such civic institutions as our local police. A divided and isolated people are easier to rule.
Posted by: Dr. T at May 27, 2022 12:23 PM (Vgw1E)

So?
If these reports are true, and it seemingly gets worse by the minute, what do you suggest be the proper reaction?
Thank them for their service and put a thin blue line flag out?
Maybe we're losing trust in our institutions because they've become shit, and it can't be hidden anymore.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 27, 2022 12:37 PM (MFphb)

252 Time to repeal the 1994 Schools Act. Pretty sure its not working out well.

Oh who am I kidding. Statists will never be judged by the results of their policies. . . .

Posted by: David W at May 27, 2022 12:38 PM (5uXrb)

253 Now I feel like maybe that needs to be re-evaluated.

Posted by: Black JEM at May 27, 2022 12:36 PM (LyTO1)

You are behind the curve. Rectify that.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at May 27, 2022 12:38 PM (nByzo)

254 Other players in the session reported him to the FIB, who did nothing.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 27, 2022 11:22 AM (ZGrMX)

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at May 27, 2022 12:32 PM (TZivQ)

If true the Friday evening document dump is getting started an hour early. I am waiting to see the hand of the feds deep in this shitshow.

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 12:38 PM (SjmaH)

255 Spoiler Alert: They were NOT receiving gunshots. This is the first we have heard this lie.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable

*

They changed their story since yesterday. Save everything you can.


"Mr Escalon played down previous statements by police that there had been ongoing exchanges of gunfire during the previous hour. "The majority of the gunfire was in the beginning," he told reporters."

https://bbc.in/3asOiMj

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 12:38 PM (MCL0p)

256 Is there even one of the handful of conservative senators that will call Chucky Schemer out on his one-trick-pony diatribes on gun grabbing, particularly with this shooting and the obvious failure of LEO on not reacting properly and decisively? I'm done with decorum and parliamentary niceties. Interrupt that jackass with the facts that are now known.

Andrew Breitbart's three word commentary has never been more clear to me than it is now, particularly with the professional gun grabbers.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at May 27, 2022 12:38 PM (TNyrE)

257 t's kind of easy to say what someone else should've done, but in truth, if 99.9% walked up on the scene and didn't have a child inside they'd have just gotten their phones out to record the terrifying shrieks of pain and terror.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger
++++

That's not true for me, and I'm the furthest thing from some "bad ass"

Posted by: Victory at May 27, 2022 12:38 PM (rBBAA)

258 We have a motorcycle cop that screams at parents at my kids school, gets off on pulling over people and reading them the riot act for minor infractions.
Posted by: Victory at May 27, 2022 12:34 PM (rBBAA)

Up here, you'd invite that sort of guy to hunting with you. I'll leave it at that.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at May 27, 2022 12:38 PM (LOVUx)

259 237 For anyone who is interested in this sort of thing:

Microsoft Office Professional 2021 for Windows/Mac: Lifetime License

$50

stacksocial.com/sales/microsoft-office-
professional-plus-2021-for-windows
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 12:36 PM (MCL0p)

I remember when Microsoft Office licenses for a given version were always lifetime.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 12:38 PM (b2nrj)

260 Gotta get that pension, my boys can`t get that pension if they-un`s is dead!

Posted by: Teddy at May 27, 2022 12:38 PM (KEvf9)

261 Comment from the last thread:]

86 New news on the Uvalde killer: not long before the shooting, he was playing an online game, lost badly, and started raving on the voice chat that he was going to shoot up a school. Other players in the session reported him to the FIB, who did nothing.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 27, 2022 11:22 AM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at May 27, 2022 12:32 PM (TZivQ)


They were too busy making sure W was protected from some rando "terrorist."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 27, 2022 12:38 PM (ptqGC)

262 Abbott better get his ass front and center right now.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 27, 2022 12:29 PM (7jpYK)


Oh, he has, dear lady, haven't you heard? He's boycotting the NRA convention.

Real stand-up guy, that Abbott.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 27, 2022 12:38 PM (2JVJo)

263 It looks to me that we are being offered a deal. They'll stop killing our kids when we give up our guns. Except if we do give up our right to defense, the murders will really start.

Posted by: Emmie at May 27, 2022 12:38 PM (6RgRK)

264 From "women and children into the lifeboats first" to "screw them kids--I could get shot!"

Most gunshot wounds are survivable-- with immediate medical attention. (Look up the fatality rates of our combat veterans.)

But these fat cowards stood by while babies were bleeding to death. Most who would have survived with basic first aid, just pressure on the wound.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 27, 2022 12:38 PM (Zf0+a)

265 alternate situation

cops barrel in, perp has explosive device and sets it off

cops fucked up

Posted by: REDACTED at May 27, 2022 12:38 PM (us2H3)

266 Cop said he was going to circle back.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 27, 2022 12:39 PM (63Dwl)

267 I think I'm still using Office 2003, just transferring the license from one laptop to another as I replace them.

I may just go with Open Office from now on. I don't need a lot of functionality.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 27, 2022 12:39 PM (XvPQV)

268 That's why Leadership is so important; a true Leader has the ability to galvanize his units will and inspire them to do things they would never dare to do on their own.


I saw a lack of leadership among my fellow officers in the Navy. It was one of the reasons I resigned.

Posted by: Archer at May 27, 2022 12:39 PM (gmo/4)

269 Joe gonna cancel his trip to Texas? Bet he does.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 27, 2022 12:39 PM (Qy7kP)

270 I caution to believe CNN on all things.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at May 27, 2022 12:39 PM (sX1BW)

271 When an individual is reported to the FBI for making threats, what can the FBI do?

And more importantly, why haven't they done it?

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:39 PM (DcKNO)

272 This press conference is nothing but pointing fingers. Truly disgusting.

Posted by: Infidel at May 27, 2022 12:39 PM (E0NVW)

273 Failure by all the adults in the situation to the detriment of the kids.

Worst failure by the cops. Fire all the ones on site who were not shot and who still stood around and didn't engage. I'll give the shot ones a pass - maybe they suck at their job, but at least they tried to do something...

I mean, if you were a complete coward cop, you could have put some shots into the dirt to distract the shooter while the real heroes went in...a shooter would have to look for who's shooting...

Posted by: Nova local at May 27, 2022 12:39 PM (exHjb)

274 The "Incident Commander" thought all the kids in the rooms were already dead?
Posted by: rd at May 27, 2022 12:37 PM (Z32m1)

Hearing what they didn't know was that the classroom next door was adjoining the classroom the killer was in - connected by a door. Maybe because they didn't check a school layout? Or maybe there were more "locked doors" so, more of those rascally locked doors that only burglars seem to get around!

Posted by: Boswell at May 27, 2022 12:39 PM (5iUNf)

275 263 Because if we give up our defensive tools, they don't have to keep their end of the bargain.

Posted by: Emmie at May 27, 2022 12:39 PM (6RgRK)

276 "I don't own a gun anymore. I just didn't feel the need. "


-----
Oooh - that's a good line! Right up there with the canoe accident. I may steal that one!

Posted by: 496 at May 27, 2022 12:39 PM (VJsqe)

277 And here I was worried my blood pressure might be too low. Thanks for taking care of that for me.

The thing that really bothers me here (besides the big obvious one): They admit it. The don't obfuscate. They do not hedge or give some better excuse.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 27, 2022 12:39 PM (dNqv+)

278 OH, and pictures of the BPS Agent who took out the perp? Yeah, he had a small set of armor on his chest... and a ballcap.

He got shot in the leg, and got creased across the top of his head (required stitches)... if the pictures floating around F Book are correct.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 27, 2022 12:39 PM (oHd/0)

279 > It was just the largest mass shooting in American history...

Hey!

Posted by: Native American women and children massacred by the U.S. Army at May 27, 2022 12:39 PM (bW8dp)

280 Someone needs to ask Democrats what their actual plan on gun control is, because if it's what they keep saying its certainly not gun control.

What they are proposing is setting up armed conflict between police (national guard) and gun owners. They want to spark violence, which even if a .001% occurred, would be more violence than any of those gun owners would have ever seen. They figure the outcomes are always positive, they get everyone's guns, they get dead gun owners/cops, they get talking points. And no one is a bit safer.

They also never mention how their plan never goes after criminal and illegal gun owners (something Barack Obama protected by blocking gun laws against criminals in Illinois) They want to confiscate legal gun, while leaving every illegal one on the street, so that their major group of constituents can kill, rob,and terrorize everyone knowing they're defenseless. I'll take Dems seriously when they actual tackle illegal gun crime, such as you commit armed robbery you get life in prison, selling drugs with a gun you get 50 years.

Posted by: Rbastid at May 27, 2022 12:39 PM (49WRT)

281 There's only one thing that people need to remember. The Supreme Court ruled years ago that cops are under no obligation to protect anybody except those who are in their custody. This was from a lawsuit by the family of a little boy who was beat near to death by his father.

We are on our own to protect ourselves and our families. Guns are a necessity.

Posted by: cjhmhch at May 27, 2022 12:39 PM (eSgwh)

282 Also they switched the part where they bravely engaged the shooter after he crashed his truck but darnit he had body armor on and it stopped all their well-placed shots.

Now they admit he wandered around the area and campus for twelve (12) minutes shooting at people before anyone showed up.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 12:40 PM (MCL0p)

283 Wait, I thought the Russians stormed that building after firing off some gas canisters to knock people out. And I think some of the captive kids were killed by the gas.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at May 27, 2022 12:40 PM (5HBd1)

284 It looks to me that we are being offered a deal. They'll stop killing our kids when we give up our guns. Except if we do give up our right to defense, the murders will really start.
Posted by: Emmie at May 27, 2022 12:38 PM (6RgRK)

Yep. Fuck these assholes.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 27, 2022 12:40 PM (G4cMd)

285 Uber MAGA will be ribbed and have a thing that goes up.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 27, 2022 12:40 PM (Fa9OY)

286 269 Joe gonna cancel his trip to Texas? Bet he does.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 27, 2022 12:39 PM (Qy7kP)

========

Nah, they're clinging to the gun control narrative as tightly as possible. We'll get a wash of stuff for a couple of weeks, and then it will get forgotten as nothing more than a statistic.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 12:40 PM (LvTSG)

287 When seconds count, these policepersons do not give a fuck.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 27, 2022 12:40 PM (dNqv+)

288 'Altruism requires cognition.'

That depends how you define the term. Animal behaviors that leads to the benefit of other members of the species, usually kin-related, are well documented and have been studied for decades. Certain genes have been implicated.

Posted by: soft white underbelly at May 27, 2022 12:40 PM (q1wWS)

289 The murderer walked around outside the school, firing his weapon, for twelve minutes. I can't understand why the cops didn't take this opportunity to shoot him in the head.

This makes absolutely no sense.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis


You know why nothing is making sense? Because we are talking everything we know as facts and putting it up against the lies that keep changing.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 27, 2022 12:40 PM (c8pZY)

290 off, monster movie sock

Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at May 27, 2022 12:40 PM (p03vF)

291 I am so very sorry to hear that, 496. Wish there was something I could offer besides words. 😢

Posted by: Inisfree at May 27, 2022 12:40 PM (etE+3)

292 "We couldn't go in because we didn't know where the gunman was"

is not consistent with

"We had him contained in one classroom."

At some point they knew exactly where he was, they knew he had kids and teachers in that classroom with him, and they knew he was still shooting, because they could hear the gunshots.

And yet, they did nothing.

And more kids got shot in that classroom, and kids who had already been shot but were still alive were bleeding out on the floor, while cops stood outside and did nothing. Nothing but cuff and pepper spray frantic parents who couldn't understand why nothing was being done to help their kids.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at May 27, 2022 12:40 PM (MvHI3)

293 Had to step away from the computer for a minute. This had me ready to blow a gasket.

Posted by: Dr. T at May 27, 2022 12:41 PM (Vgw1E)

294 285 Uber MAGA will be ribbed and have a thing that goes up.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 27, 2022 12:40 PM (Fa9OY)

And a phone app

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 27, 2022 12:41 PM (XvPQV)

295 Fucking coward cops. I don't own a gun anymore. I just didn't feel the need. Now I feel like maybe that needs to be re-evaluated.
Posted by: Black JEM at May 27, 2022 12:36 PM (LyTO1)

Go to the shop, purchase the item, take it to the range, practice until it's natural, do that once a month. Just do it, for your sanity and sake.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at May 27, 2022 12:41 PM (LOVUx)

296 > Up here, you'd invite that sort of guy to hunting with you.

Or fishing.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 27, 2022 12:41 PM (bW8dp)

297 283 Wait, I thought the Russians stormed that building after firing off some gas canisters to knock people out. And I think some of the captive kids were killed by the gas.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at May 27, 2022 12:40 PM (5HBd

as I recall that case, almost all the kids ended up getting killed.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 12:41 PM (trdmm)

298 The murderer walked around outside the school, firing his weapon, for twelve minutes. I can't understand why the cops didn't take this opportunity to shoot him in the head.

This makes absolutely no sense.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 27, 2022 12:37 PM (sWM8x)


The twelve minutes were at the beginning. Barney, the school resource officer drove by the actual shooter who cleverly crouched behind a car to the back of the school, where the school resource officer apprehended an unarmed teacher. While the gunman went in the front door. --- TX Department of Public Safety news conference underway

Posted by: rd at May 27, 2022 12:41 PM (Z32m1)

299 276 "I don't own a gun anymore. I just didn't feel the need. "

Oooh - that's a good line! Right up there with the canoe accident. I may steal that one!
Posted by: 496 at May 27, 2022 12:39 PM (VJsqe)

Since it is now known that 'guns kill people'... all mine ran off to Ukraine to hunt Russians.

Really...

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 27, 2022 12:41 PM (oHd/0)

300 247 The murderer walked around outside the school, firing his weapon, for twelve minutes. I can't understand why the cops didn't take this opportunity to shoot him in the head.

This makes absolutely no sense.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 27, 2022 12:37 PM (sWM8x)

I can remember a teacher I had when I was a tiny kid ( she still sported a beehive, for gosh-sakes) standing in the middle of the road during a fire drill and stopping a car by herself, then reaming out the people in said car because they tried to drive through lines of students crossing the street during a fire drill. The police were called and summons issued because children's lives were endangered.

How far we have fallen in less than two generations.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma Donald J. Trump is our duly elected president at May 27, 2022 12:41 PM (l0Cy4)

301 257 t's kind of easy to say what someone else should've done, but in truth, if 99.9% walked up on the scene and didn't have a child inside they'd have just gotten their phones out to record the terrifying shrieks of pain and terror.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger
++++

That's not true for me, and I'm the furthest thing from some "bad ass"

Posted by: Victory at May 27, 2022 12:38 PM (rBBAA)

-------

Bitter Clinger, I have to disagree with you on this one.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:41 PM (DcKNO)

302 204 Something about this doesn't make sense to me. They talk about the kids hiding from the shooter. Also police called top the kids and when they answered they got shot too. Classroom aren't that big, normally. Where would they hide for an hour? And when would the shooter be when the cop called out that they wouldn't see him? I have a hard time visualizing this
Posted by: Ripley at May 27, 2022 12:32 PM (MxEKc)

Probably happened at the start. How do the police know the door is locked? They tried the door and backed off. When they were first trying to get him they likely did this while approaching the classroom, not realizing it was locked.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 12:41 PM (b2nrj)

303 >>That depends how you define the term. Animal behaviors that leads to the benefit of other members of the species, usually kin-related, are well documented and have been studied for decades. Certain genes have been implicated.


No. Altruistic behavior requires knowledge of self.

Posted by: garrett at May 27, 2022 12:41 PM (KFK1l)

304 > OH, and pictures of the BPS Agent who took out the perp? Yeah, he had a small set of armor on his chest...


But a big set of cojones in his pants.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 27, 2022 12:42 PM (bW8dp)

305 Obama was in power for 2 full years with strong Dem control of congress.

They did nothing.

Do they have blood on their hands?

Posted by: I Mean at May 27, 2022 12:42 PM (E/Ha5)

306 My thoughts on the matter will put me on yet another watch list.

Posted by: NR Pax at May 27, 2022 12:42 PM (4olE8)

307 Who's the black dude? A Fed?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 27, 2022 12:43 PM (ptqGC)

308 this cop thing has been sliding downhill ever since Bammy called them stupid

Posted by: REDACTED at May 27, 2022 12:43 PM (us2H3)

309 From the Uvalde presser:
The on-scene commander felt it was a barricaded subject, that it was no longer an active shooter situation.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 27, 2022 12:21 PM


Because he ran out of live targets. Jesus wept.

Posted by: huerfano at May 27, 2022 12:43 PM (MzKgG)

310 One (1) flashbang grenades and this would have been over with only a few people and no cops killed.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 27, 2022 12:43 PM (kstj5)

311 Isn’t that a weird thing to say? Receiving gun shots. Shot at or taking fire. But receiving gunshots? That just sounds weird.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at May 27, 2022 12:43 PM (OalnH)

312 IOW, Dear Mexican Americans,
You suck hind tit on the victim totem pole.


It's not a coincidence that this happened right after polls started saying Hispanics hate Biden more than anyone else.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 27, 2022 12:43 PM (ZGrMX)

313 Also they switched the part where they bravely engaged the shooter after he crashed his truck but darnit he had body armor on and it stopped all their well-placed shots.

Now they admit he wandered around the area and campus for twelve (12) minutes shooting at people before anyone showed up.
Posted by: Moron Robbie

Who reports an exchange of gunfire and then states that it never happened?

So, did it happen, and the police were onsite, but failed to prevent him from getting in, or that they took over 12 minuted to respond to a shooter at a school??
A: Both suck, and they are trying to determine the lie du jour.

Posted by: Blue Hen at May 27, 2022 12:43 PM (VYjdj)

314 263 It looks to me that we are being offered a deal. They'll stop killing our kids when we give up our guns. Except if we do give up our right to defense, the murders will really start.
Posted by: Emmie at May 27, 2022 12:38 PM (6RgRK)

Dear heavens I hope you are wrong about that. All the evidence, sadly, seems to support your theory. It's obvious that babies and children - preborn, newborn, toddlers, and young kids - do not matter to these ghouls.

Posted by: Moki at May 27, 2022 12:43 PM (JrN/x)

315 'No. Altruistic behavior requires knowledge of self.'

Then how do you define this rather large area of animal behavior research? Because that is exactly the word that is used.

Posted by: soft white underbelly at May 27, 2022 12:43 PM (q1wWS)

316 But a big set of cojones in his pants.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 27, 2022 12:42 PM (bW8dp)

-------
Ron DeSantis?

Posted by: 496 at May 27, 2022 12:43 PM (VJsqe)

317 > as I recall that case, almost all the kids ended up getting killed.

One theory at the time was that the gas the Russkis used was some type of fentanyl derivative.

Survivable if you get Narcan RIGHT NOW, otherwise you're fooked.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 27, 2022 12:43 PM (bW8dp)

318 cops barrel in, perp has explosive device and sets it off

cops fucked up
Posted by: REDACTED

At least they were doing something in this scenario.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 27, 2022 12:43 PM (R8uWY)

319 > The "Incident Commander" thought all the kids in the rooms were already dead?

They'll have to claim that or that they thought it might be an empty classroom. The fucking commander on scene had a duty to get eyes on to confirm it was a barricaded subject before changing posture and tactics, so neither excuse flies.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 27, 2022 12:43 PM (i0wNm)

320 Lee Greenwood, Larry Gatlin, and Larry Stewart (Restless Heart) have all pulled out of the NRA Convention in Houston.

They're on my list now.

Posted by: Dr. T at May 27, 2022 12:43 PM (Vgw1E)

321 Fire everyone of those cowards that were on site and require them to pay back every penny of their salaries and pensions. The debt to follow them the rest of their lives. Protect and serve my ass.
Protect the pension! Serve yourself!

Posted by: 42 at May 27, 2022 12:44 PM (IBKVu)

322 Oh boy! The FBI is on it, now that they're freed up from protecting W.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 27, 2022 12:44 PM (ptqGC)

323 It's kind of easy to say what someone else should've done, but in truth, if 99.9% walked up on the scene and didn't have a child inside they'd have just gotten their phones out to record the terrifying shrieks of pain and terror.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 27, 2022 12:32 PM (ELbmp)
==
Yeah, we never know how we would respond. But I can sure as hell tell you I wouldn't have sat there filming it with a fucking phone.

I want to DO something. AND I pray to the lord that if I am ever called upon to do something, I'm ready. And I don't fail the test.

Posted by: Black JEM at May 27, 2022 12:44 PM (LyTO1)

324 I think I'm still using Office 2003, just transferring the license from one laptop to another as I replace them.

I may just go with Open Office from now on. I don't need a lot of functionality.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 27, 2022 12:39 PM (XvPQV)

LibreOffice is pretty well equivalent and interoperable with Office 2007 (Ribbonized), the other Office SW that I have, save maybe a few quirks.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at May 27, 2022 12:44 PM (nByzo)

325 I think he let it slip that the Chief of the School District Police was the incident commander, who made the decision to go to a hostage/barricaded shooter mode from an active shooter mode.

Posted by: Get on it, Wheels at May 27, 2022 12:44 PM (K4bJk)

326 Hey look, I had just bought some sweet white cowboy hats for the whole department. I couldn't risk getting those dirty or shot.

Posted by: Uvalde Chief of Police at May 27, 2022 12:44 PM (Geoni)

327 Cops need to understand something.
We WANT them to come home at the end of their shift
We PRAY for them to come home at the end of their shift

But their coming home at the end of the shift isn't mandatory, and if someone else can come home because they give their lives....thanks. That's part of the job. If you can't accept that, leave the department and be a mall cop

Posted by: trump at May 27, 2022 12:44 PM (GSJcT)

328 Does this stem from the militarization of police departments?

To explain: I was Signal Corps. I was support. I was trained on how to fire a rifle and how to duck, that's it. I was never expected to be in actual combat. If I were in a position that was being attacked I was expected to hunker down, shoot back and wait for the groundpounders or special forces to show up whereupon I would be evacuated to keep me from getting in the way (at least that was my understanding). I was never trained nor equipped for real combat (I had a flack jacket in my locker and a communal M-16 locked up somewhere on site, I didn't have the key).

Are cops becoming this specialized? That the Officer Robins's felt that their role was to wait until the heroes showed up? That they weren't physically or emotionally equipped for this situation?

Posted by: 29Victor at May 27, 2022 12:44 PM (BJKQV)

329 305 Obama was in power for 2 full years with strong Dem control of congress.

They did nothing.

Do they have blood on their hands?
Posted by: I Mean at May 27, 2022 12:42 PM (E/Ha5)

I thought we covered the uterus yesterday ??

Posted by: REDACTED at May 27, 2022 12:44 PM (us2H3)

330 Let's just start with firing any cop that handcuffed, tazed or constrained a parent from going in.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at May 27, 2022 12:44 PM (5HBd1)

331 304 > OH, and pictures of the BPS Agent who took out the perp? Yeah, he had a small set of armor on his chest...


But a big set of cojones in his pants.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 27, 2022 12:42 PM (bW8dp)

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I'd like to know more about his decision to go in. I'd like to know a lot more.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:44 PM (DcKNO)

332 297 283 Wait, I thought the Russians stormed that building after firing off some gas canisters to knock people out. And I think some of the captive kids were killed by the gas.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at May 27, 2022 12:40 PM (5HBd

as I recall that case, almost all the kids ended up getting killed.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 12:41 PM (trdmm)


You are conflating the rural school near Chechnya with the Moscow Theater terrorist attack. Moscow used Fentanyl Gas and killed some of the hostages. Chechnya, the terrorists used their emplaced explosives to blow up the (surviving) hostages

Posted by: rd at May 27, 2022 12:44 PM (Z32m1)

333 You know why nothing is making sense? Because we are talking everything we know as facts and putting it up against the lies that keep changing.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 27, 2022 12:40 PM (c8pZY)

Doesn't give you much confidence that these police could even solve a crime by quickly ascertaining the facts, much less handle an active shooter event.

Posted by: Boswell at May 27, 2022 12:44 PM (5iUNf)

334 > I thought we covered the uterus yesterday ??

Well, there's now uterus cereal.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 27, 2022 12:44 PM (bW8dp)

335 My thoughts on the matter will put me on yet another watch list.
Posted by: NR Pax at May 27, 2022 12:42 PM (4olE

It doesn’t matter at this point. We are all on multiple lists.

I have lists, too.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 27, 2022 12:45 PM (G4cMd)

336 I want to DO something. AND I pray to the lord that if I am ever called upon to do something, I'm ready. And I don't fail the test.
Posted by: Black JEM at May 27, 2022 12:44 PM (LyTO1)

That mindset is the most important thing.
Next, get a new gun (you're still spoiled for great choices, there), a case of ammo and sign up for a training class.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 27, 2022 12:45 PM (XvPQV)

337 Though I'm not a racist cretin like the press secretary, I too like to wait until I have some effing idea of the basic facts before pretending I can have an opinion worth more than a hamster or Biden voter might have.

But it seems some broad observations are now possible. Border Patrol acted professionally and ably. Local LE ..... not so much.

But the degradation and idiocy of the country is something I can't get used to.

Gillibrand: who is *in power now*, you fuckwit?
Schumer: anyone know if *any* GOP senator responded to the vile, stupid, childish slander from the human garbage from NY? That the question even needs to be asked says it all. And: there was a time (most of previous history) when Schumer's remarks would have been ruled out of order and censured on the floor - slandering the other party as tolerant of mass child murder ..... umm, that's so far over the line the line can no longer be seen from there.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 27, 2022 12:45 PM (OTzUX)

338 Joe gonna cancel his trip to Texas? Bet he does.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 27, 2022 12:39 PM (Qy7kP)
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NO WAY. NO HOW.

This is too juicy for the left. He will be hopped up enough to make a stuttering whisper-yell tirade that makes no sense other than TAKE ALL GUNS.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 27, 2022 12:45 PM (WKPeU)

339 Anita-Dunn, Isn't she the one that is so odious that Obama had to hide he from the public. I seem to remember Glenn Beck, on Fox, playing clips of her unable to keep her tongue in her mouth.

Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone at May 27, 2022 12:45 PM (jyW7T)

340 Well, there's now uterus cereal.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 27, 2022 12:44 PM (bW8dp)

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Did you say ute?

Posted by: 496 at May 27, 2022 12:45 PM (VJsqe)

341 247 The murderer walked around outside the school, firing his weapon, for twelve minutes. I can't understand why the cops didn't take this opportunity to shoot him in the head.

This makes absolutely no sense.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 27, 2022 12:37 PM (sWM8x)

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Just another day in Texas?

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at May 27, 2022 12:45 PM (uN/bK)

342 Also it's terrible to think, but chances are if he had a knife things would have ended up the same. Targeting a grade school with no security means there is little to stop you, no one to fight back, a psycho with a knife can take out a classroom of little children the same way one does with a gun, having someone on site to stop them would be the only deterrent.

Posted by: Rbastid at May 27, 2022 12:46 PM (49WRT)

343 We don't want to be shot at, who does?
But you damn well better put that mask on, citizen!

Posted by: Back the Blue at May 27, 2022 12:46 PM (Tc2CN)

344 Ha-hah, we GOT 'IM! We've trapped the fox inside the henhouse...

Posted by: The Farmer at May 27, 2022 12:46 PM (RuRuy)

345 320 Lee Greenwood, Larry Gatlin, and Larry Stewart (Restless Heart) have all pulled out of the NRA Convention in Houston.

They're on my list now.
Posted by: Dr. T at May 27, 2022 12:43 PM (Vgw1E)

like turning on the kitchen lights

bet Huckabbee is happy with Larry now

Posted by: REDACTED at May 27, 2022 12:46 PM (us2H3)

346 There's only one thing that people need to remember. The Supreme Court ruled years ago that cops are under no obligation to protect anybody except those who are in their custody. This was from a lawsuit by the family of a little boy who was beat near to death by his father.

We are on our own to protect ourselves and our families. Guns are a necessity.
Posted by: cjhmhch at May 27, 2022 12:39 PM (eSgwh)

Glenn Reynolds pointed this out..yesterday? This morning? Caffeine isn't kicking in...anyway, he was pointing out the solution to the Court's ruling is to override it with legislation.

Posted by: Robert at May 27, 2022 12:46 PM (1Yy3c)

347 These officers were merely sheltering in place….

Posted by: Jen Psaki at May 27, 2022 12:46 PM (bVp5S)

348 >> I thought we covered the uterus yesterday ??


You can't cover Uterus. You can only hope to contain him.

Posted by: Football Announcer at May 27, 2022 12:46 PM (KFK1l)

349 Old and Busted: Coward of Broward
New Hotness: Uninvolvedy Cops of Uvalde

Posted by: Boswell at May 27, 2022 12:46 PM (5iUNf)

350 343 We don't want to be shot at, who does?
But you damn well better put that mask on, citizen!
Posted by: Back the Blue at May 27, 2022 12:46 PM (Tc2CN)

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Also, only cops should have guns.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 12:46 PM (LvTSG)

351 It's not a coincidence that this happened right after polls started saying Hispanics hate Biden more than anyone else.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 27, 2022 12:43 PM (ZGrMX)


Why? To punish them, or to bring them back into the Democrat fold (gun control)?

Posted by: Dr. T at May 27, 2022 12:46 PM (Vgw1E)

352 The left: A lone good guy with a gun can't do anything about crime you stupid wingnuts! You need to wait for the organization and coordinated police response.

The news story at hand: A lone good guy with a gun killed the tranny shooter. While the organized and coordinated cops sat around eating donuts

Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2022 12:46 PM (ESjRY)

353 My God. Listening to Kayleigh laying out all the facts.

Dear Lord.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 27, 2022 12:46 PM (ptqGC)

354 I'm having a hard time understanding why one Border Patrol agent went in and killed the guy but a whole group of cops waited around.

I'm missing something.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:46 PM (DcKNO)

355 Remember back in the '60s the sniper in the clock tower in Texas.

Civilians and cops rushed in and took him down.

I want those times back.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 27, 2022 12:47 PM (Fa9OY)

356 Cops need to understand something.
We WANT them to come home at the end of their shift
We PRAY for them to come home at the end of their shift

But their coming home at the end of the shift isn't mandatory, and if someone else can come home because they give their lives....thanks. That's part of the job. If you can't accept that, leave the department and be a mall cop
Posted by: trump at May 27, 2022 12:44 PM (GSJcT)


Isn't the Coast Guard creed "We have to go out. We may not come back"

Posted by: rd at May 27, 2022 12:47 PM (Z32m1)

357 Schumer and his fellow Dems are all erotically charged over murdered children. Its why Abortion excites them so.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at May 27, 2022 12:47 PM (bA3Ln)

358 I don’t think the fbi purposely recruited the killer. But I do think they let him do his thing on purpose with the end goal of furthering the narrative.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at May 27, 2022 12:47 PM (OalnH)

359 With regards to the YES sidebar...

Bill Bruford was the drummer for YES when those two songs were released on "Fragile".

He was also on "Close to the Edge".

Before heading off to join King Crimson in its most successful incarnation.

Alan White was a good drummer but he came in later.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 27, 2022 12:47 PM (5NkmN)

360 >>> I thought we covered the uterus yesterday ??
Posted by: REDACTED at May 27, 2022 12:44 PM (us2H3)


This is for The Paolo, how is it you say, a "y" ending day.

Posted by: The Paolo at May 27, 2022 12:47 PM (QzpS1)

361 Cowards with badges protecting their fat as..... er pensions.

This is the same cowardice that results in 80 year old grandmas with butter knives being gunned down on their own front porches.

Posted by: Anonymous Guy in Kalifornistan at May 27, 2022 12:47 PM (wkh70)

362 It's hot down there in south Texas.
How far will he have to motor to get there?

Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone at May 27, 2022 12:47 PM (jyW7T)

363 >The murderer walked around outside the school, firing his weapon, for twelve minutes. I can't understand why the cops didn't take this opportunity to shoot him in the head.


Couldn't the principal order all doors locked?

Posted by: mr tmz at May 27, 2022 12:47 PM (rJ48h)

364 Huh, kinda like the police in Run Hide Fight.

Posted by: In Reel Life (yes, dummy, on purpose) at May 27, 2022 12:48 PM (QYPq3)

365 How many of those babies bled out who might have been saved??

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 27, 2022 12:48 PM (ptqGC)

366 when are we gonna have a schmundie thread ?

Posted by: REDACTED at May 27, 2022 12:48 PM (us2H3)

367 SCHUMER: “No amount of bloodshed seems to enough for MAGA Republicans.”
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If that were true, in even the smallest sense, the domiciles and workplaces of Democrats would be running in rivers of blood.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 27, 2022 12:48 PM (id1Da)

368 Dear heavens I hope you are wrong about that. All the evidence, sadly, seems to support your theory.
Posted by: Moki at May 27, 2022 12:43 PM (JrN/x


We are dealing with pure evil. They intend to subjugate us. They have lined up violence, pestilence, and famine to achieve their ends.

Posted by: Emmie at May 27, 2022 12:48 PM (6RgRK)

369 343 We don't want to be shot at, who does?
But you damn well better put that mask on, citizen!

Posted by: Back the Blue at May 27, 2022 12:46 PM (Tc2CN)

My Dad didn't want to be shot at when he was drafted and shipped to the Philippines during WWII, but that was his job and patriotic duty.
These asswipes ALLOWED the slaughter of all those children by waiting for almost an hour. I mean, with 40(!) cops at one point, and still they didn't enter?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 27, 2022 12:48 PM (ynpvh)

370 I still do not understand why the police did not assault the outside windows to the classroom?

Posted by: rd at May 27, 2022 12:48 PM (Z32m1)

371 354 I'm having a hard time understanding why one Border Patrol agent went in and killed the guy but a whole group of cops waited around.

I'm missing something.
Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:46 PM (DcKNO)

Well nobody ultimately improvised entry. They waited until they had a key and then a BP guy went in. Unclear how much backup was there.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 12:48 PM (b2nrj)

372 296 > Up here, you'd invite that sort of guy to hunting with you.

Or fishing.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 27, 2022 12:41 PM (bW8dp)

He'd never have to pay for a drink.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 27, 2022 12:48 PM (dNqv+)

373 Something about Chuckles Schumer makes my skin crawl.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at May 27, 2022 12:48 PM (eGTCV)

374 Iranian military operatives have seized two Greek oil tankers in the Persian Gulf on Friday. The Associated Press initially reported that the US Navy is "looking into" the reports. The tankers were boarded in international waters in the gulf, with the AP in follow-up saying that IRGC operatives now have control of the ships.


Maybe we should send the Uvalde police to set up a perimeter.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 27, 2022 12:48 PM (R8uWY)

375 Classroom aren't that big, normally. Where would they hide for an hour?
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Apparently there was a long table in the classroom that had a tablecloth placed over it. There was going to be some end-of-school-year party or something.

Anyway, the kid who talked to the DM reporter said that he and four other kids were able to get under that table and stay out of the gunman's sight. That same kid is also the one who said that at one point he heard a cop yelling that if anybody in the classroom needed help, they should shout. The kid said that a girl in the classroom (he didn't say where she was) then yelled out "help" and the gunman walked over to her and shot her.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at May 27, 2022 12:49 PM (MvHI3)

376 Cops need to understand something.
We WANT them to come home at the end of their shift
We PRAY for them to come home at the end of their shift

But their coming home at the end of the shift isn't mandatory, and if someone else can come home because they give their lives....thanks. That's part of the job. If you can't accept that, leave the department and be a mall cop
Posted by: trump at May 27, 2022 12:44 PM (GSJcT)


Who's this "we" you speak of?

If a cop pulls the kind of crap that went down in Uvalde, they don't *deserve* to come home at the end of their shift.

Posted by: Dr. T at May 27, 2022 12:49 PM (Vgw1E)

377 338 Joe gonna cancel his trip to Texas? Bet he does.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 27, 2022 12:39 PM (Qy7kP)
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NO WAY. NO HOW.

This is too juicy for the left. He will be hopped up enough to make a stuttering whisper-yell tirade that makes no sense other than TAKE ALL GUNS.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 27, 2022 12:45 PM (WKPeU)


Joe HAS to go to Uvalde in this election year to make the Democrat base think he cares about Hispanics other than the illegal ones.

Posted by: Get on it, Wheels at May 27, 2022 12:49 PM (K4bJk)

378 But homeschooling is for the nutjobs on the fringe.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at May 27, 2022 12:49 PM (jYQlA)

379
There's two things going on, here:

1. Cops are incompetent.
2. Cops are Afraid, i) some of them are cowards, and ii) some are Afraid To Do Their Jobs because of the Democrats and Fake News.

No Cop out there wants to have his image on the internet of him "chasing" a non-white suspect and shooting them.

Look at what happened to the Border Patrol with the image of the cop on the horse "whipping" the black invader.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at May 27, 2022 12:49 PM (+C1V+)

380 318 cops barrel in, perp has explosive device and sets it off

cops fucked up
Posted by: REDACTED

At least they were doing something in this scenario.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 27, 2022 12:43 PM (R8uWY)

I think someone mentioned - it takes minutes to evacuate the school, so if that scenario was in play (and calling cops grandma probably would have had best info), you can allow them 5 minutes of waiting before busting in...not 55...

Posted by: Nova local at May 27, 2022 12:49 PM (exHjb)

381 That's why Leadership is so important; a true Leader has the ability to galvanize his units will and inspire them to do things they would never dare to do on their own. . . .

Posted by: Archer at May 27, 2022


***
Explorer Ernest Shackleton was such a leader. "What disaster strikes and all hope is lost, get down on your knees and pray for Shackleton."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 27, 2022 12:49 PM (txdEq)

382 373 Something about Chuckles Schumer makes my skin crawl.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at May 27, 2022 12:48 PM (eGTCV)

He is a rather slimy fellow.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 27, 2022 12:50 PM (ynpvh)

383 “No amount of bloodshed seems to enough for MAGA Republicans.”

Almost all murders are leftists, including the tranny Texas shooter

Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2022 12:50 PM (ESjRY)

384 Lot of active duty and veterans in my town. I can GUARANTEE you they'd storm a school themselves if the police we're screwing around.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 27, 2022 12:50 PM (ptqGC)

385
Bitter Clinger, I have to disagree with you on this one.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:41 PM (DcKNO)

Crowder posted a video yesterday of a Subway car where some crazy person grabbed a woman by the hair and attacked her. 30 people, including a giant (as in big) hipster douche just watched and did nothing. People talk big until confronted with a situation, at which point very few have the bravery to act. This wasn't a one time thing either, there are many videos of this happening in NYC, and only twice can i remember someone intervening.

Posted by: Rbastid at May 27, 2022 12:50 PM (49WRT)

386 Couldn't the principal order all doors locked?
Posted by: mr tmz at May 27, 2022 12:47 PM (rJ48h)


Why wait fir the principal? Any staff would lock things up tight as soon as realization hit.

Posted by: Emmie at May 27, 2022 12:50 PM (6RgRK)

387 Who reports an exchange of gunfire and then states that it never happened?
So, did it happen, and the police were onsite,..
Posted by: Blue Hen
**
Sorry, I forgot the link:
https://bbc.in/3asOiMj

Here's the next one.

"The suspected gunman who slaughtered 19 students and two teachers Tuesday at a Texas elementary school fired shots outside the school for 12 minutes before entering, an official said."

https://tinyurl.com/yjhweaw8

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 12:50 PM (MCL0p)

388
Massive ball-shriveling cowardice right in the Heart of Texas.

Everyone involved in law enforcement for this shooting should be horse-whipped out of town.

There is no excuse for this.

Hell, now I want to see new open-carry laws that include rifles.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 27, 2022 12:50 PM (5NkmN)

389 But remember (newsweek):

"On Tuesday night, Sgt. Erick Estrada, of the Texas Department of Public Safety, told CNN news anchor Anderson Cooper that law enforcement officers had actually exchanged gunfire with Ramos before he committed mass murder.

He did not specify which branch of law enforcement was involved, but said: "The suspect did crash near a ditch nearby the school. That's where he exited his vehicle with what I believe was a rifle, and that's when he attempted to enter the school where he was engaged by law enforcement."

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 12:50 PM (MCL0p)

390 351 It's not a coincidence that this happened right after polls started saying Hispanics hate Biden more than anyone else.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 27, 2022 12:43 PM (ZGrMX)

This incident doesn't require any bigger, more complex explanation. We're learning that clearly, Ramos was a ticking time bomb that a lot of people knew about but ignored.

Well most ticking time bombs end up exploding if you ignore them long enough. This one went off because Grandma got mad and canceled his cell phone. We hate to admit that we leave in a world where something that stupid can bring about this much evil and pain - but there it is.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 12:50 PM (trdmm)

391 How many murdered babies and sexually abused children will it take to satisfy Chuckles?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at May 27, 2022 12:50 PM (eGTCV)

392 374 Iranian military operatives have seized two Greek oil tankers in the Persian Gulf on Friday. The Associated Press initially reported that the US Navy is "looking into" the reports. The tankers were boarded in international waters in the gulf, with the AP in follow-up saying that IRGC operatives now have control of the ships.

Maybe we should send the Uvalde police to set up a perimeter.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 27, 2022 12:48 PM (R8uWY)

We need to send more money to the Iranians post-haste! How many planeloads and pallets should be send THIS time?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 27, 2022 12:50 PM (ynpvh)

393 SCHUMER: “No amount of bloodshed seems to enough for MAGA Republicans.”


he mighta said it but I wrote it for him !!

how about some props

Posted by: the Turtle at May 27, 2022 12:50 PM (us2H3)

394 86 New news on the Uvalde killer: not long before the shooting, he was playing an online game, lost badly, and started raving on the voice chat that he was going to shoot up a school. Other players in the session reported him to the FIB, who did nothing.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 27, 2022 11:22 AM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at May 27, 2022 12:32 PM

MFM Wine Mom Whoopie Inc. to decry violent video games in...3...2...hahahahahahh

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 27, 2022 12:51 PM (HhM4+)

395
Give up all yo guns!

The po-po, well they aint gonna save you either way

Ya, sell that !

Posted by: Yo! Ultra Ultra MAGA at May 27, 2022 12:51 PM (lOvbH)

396 Then how do you define this rather large area of animal behavior research? Because that is exactly the word that is used.

Without getting into this particular argument, my sense reading pop science journals is that there is a class of scientist, or science writer, that really wants to take away any sense that humans are different from animals. And one way to do this is to use words we think we know to describe something else.

This has been going on for a long time. See, for example, Chesterton’s Everlasting Man.).

…the more we really look at man as an animal, the less he will look like one.

So, those who want man to be an animal must redefine the terms so that there’s no way to think about man not being an animal.

I’d agree with you to this point: there is no way for a researcher to know whether an animal is being altruistic or not. It requires knowledge that a human will never have about the motives of the animal.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 27, 2022 12:51 PM (U+Oxn)

397 I think someone mentioned - it takes minutes to evacuate the school, so if that scenario was in play (and calling cops grandma probably would have had best info), you can allow them 5 minutes of waiting before busting in...not 55...
Posted by: Nova local at May 27, 2022 12:49 PM (exHjb)

They didn't evacuate the school it sounds like.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 12:51 PM (b2nrj)

398 Having been born and raised in NYC, having seen the best of the cops and the worst and knowing a few of them personally, this shit is just too painful.

But our nation as it is today, and sadly law enforcement as it is today, I can no longer unequivocally and automatically support law enforcement.

It is what it is and I have to accept it.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 12:31 PM (s2VJv)

I know how you feel. I want to trust them. I really do. I was raised to trust the police and treat them with respect. But they keep disappointing me.

Law enforcement officers are armed agents of the state. And we've had our eyes opened, thanks to January 6, the Whitmer kidnapping hoax, the targeting of school boards and so on, that when the state turns against the innocent, the cops will not be on the side of the innocents. They'll be on the side of the ones who write their paychecks.

Posted by: Caiwyn at May 27, 2022 12:51 PM (+dHQK)

399 This gets Hispanics back on board with Dems. None of this is coincidental

Posted by: Joe Xiden at May 27, 2022 12:51 PM (OalnH)

400 Well nobody ultimately improvised entry. They waited until they had a key and then a BP guy went in. Unclear how much backup was there.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 12:48 PM

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Huh, waited for a key??? Doesn't even the most podunk town have one of those weighted door rammers? A person at the window distracting, etc.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:51 PM (DcKNO)

401 If the Uvalde chief had a shred of decency he would resign immediately.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 27, 2022 12:51 PM (R8uWY)

402 Better to live one day as a lion than a lifetime as a member of the Uvalde Police Department.

Posted by: 29Victor at May 27, 2022 12:51 PM (BJKQV)

403
Why? To punish them, or to bring them back into the Democrat fold (gun control)?
Posted by: Dr. T

Both.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at May 27, 2022 12:51 PM (+C1V+)

404 There's only one thing that people need to remember. The Supreme Court ruled years ago that cops are under no obligation to protect anybody except those who are in their custody.

Have you placed your trust in somebody, given them some power? WE have filled that position!

Posted by: The Deep State at May 27, 2022 12:51 PM (RuRuy)

405 Couldn't the principal order all doors locked?
Posted by: mr tmz at May 27, 2022 12:47 PM (rJ48h)

Why wait fir the principal? Any staff would lock things up tight as soon as realization hit.
Posted by: Emmie

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That's a great question.

Law enforcement has now admitted he was wandering around outside of the school for twelve f*cking minutes shooting at people. No one in the school thought to lock a door?

Is the community that bad that they don't even notice gunshots next to the school any longer?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 12:51 PM (MCL0p)

406 Firing that entire cop shop would be a good start.

Also Uvalde schools have been locked down 48 times this year ... because of illegal alien pursuits so you would think that they would be having some kind of plan in place to keep people out of the schools.

So in part I BLAME BRANDON

Posted by: torabora at May 27, 2022 12:51 PM (Y274z)

407 Nah, they're clinging to the gun control narrative as tightly as possible. We'll get a wash of stuff for a couple of weeks, and then it will get forgotten as nothing more than a statistic.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 12:40 PM (LvTSG)

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What's the MTBTCT (Mean Time Between "The Current Thing") these days?

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at May 27, 2022 12:52 PM (TZivQ)

408 The murderer walked around outside the school, firing his weapon, for twelve minutes. I can't understand why the cops didn't take this opportunity to shoot him in the head.

Couldn't the principal order all doors locked?
Posted by: mr tmz at May 27, 2022 12:47 PM (rJ48h)


Couldn't the principal use the intercom, and then go make sure it got done? Wouldn't gunshots through the outside classroom windows be a FUCKING CLUE to the teachers?

Posted by: rd at May 27, 2022 12:52 PM (Z32m1)

409 Small correction: DPS is the Texas Depart of Safety. They have a few divisions, the largest are the state troopers (highway patrol). Another are the Texas Rangers. They also have the protection detail for the governor. The spokesman is from the Texas DPS. The Uvalde Police were also on scene holding parents back and pissing their pants. Additionally, the Uvalde Sheriffs Department (county) were on scene shitting their pants.

Posted by: Ken in NH at May 27, 2022 12:52 PM (n6Rp8)

410 No Cop out there wants to have his image on the internet of him "chasing" a non-white suspect and shooting them.

I suppose one could imagine a scenario where Officer Donuts rushed in the building, shot the Tranny Killer, and the Tranny killer really just had a BB gun and then the media demonizes him as "Evil Cishet White Man kills troubled transsexual minority teen" but...they knew he was killing people before the BORTAC agent showed up.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2022 12:52 PM (ESjRY)

411 "Sgt. Erick Estrada, of the Texas Department of Public Safety,"

Ponch??

Posted by: fd at May 27, 2022 12:52 PM (vrz2I)

412 Well, at least we had Meghan Markle show up. Just think how worse it would’ve been had that not happened...

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 27, 2022 12:52 PM (rzOL9)

413 >>On Tuesday night, Sgt. Erick Estrada


Ponch!

Posted by: garrett at May 27, 2022 12:52 PM (KFK1l)

414 Scheemer waiting until after Memorial Day using the excuse of compassion towards the parents while they bury their kids means he doesn't have the votes in congress. If he did, they would have a long-time prewritten bill to be voted on today.

Election years have consequences..

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 27, 2022 12:52 PM (Qhnrt)

415 This is so sickening and depressing. I want to throw up. Those poor terrified kids.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 27, 2022 12:52 PM (1Ggkx)

416 Well nobody ultimately improvised entry. They waited until they had a key and then a BP guy went in. Unclear how much backup was there.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy

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It's weird how none of the police parents needed a key to get in and retrieve their kids.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 12:52 PM (MCL0p)

417
But remember (newsweek):

"On Tuesday night, Sgt. Erick Estrada, of the Texas Department of Public Safety, told CNN news anchor Anderson Cooper that law enforcement officers had actually exchanged gunfire with Ramos before he committed mass murder."


Posted by: Moron Robbie

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at May 27, 2022 12:52 PM (+C1V+)

418 Thomas and Alito are old.

If the Dems replace one of them, 2A is gone.

I Mean completely gone.

Posted by: I've got bad news for you at May 27, 2022 12:52 PM (E/Ha5)

419 >>> Iranian military operatives have seized two Greek oil tankers in the Persian Gulf on Friday.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 27, 2022 12:48 PM (R8uWY)


I guess our Iranian friends are expressing their displeasure concerning their Democrat assets. They've been recently failing to provide assistance to Iran's nuclear weapons program.

Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 12:52 PM (QzpS1)

420 Isn't the Coast Guard creed "We have to go out. We may not come back"
Posted by: rd


Unofficial.

"We have to go out. We don't have to come back"

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 27, 2022 12:53 PM (c8pZY)

421 Iranian military operatives have seized two Greek oil tankers in the Persian Gulf on Friday. The Associated Press initially reported that the US Navy is "looking into" the reports. The tankers were boarded in international waters in the gulf, with the AP in follow-up saying that IRGC operatives now have control of the ships.
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SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED UNDER PREEZY SHIT MIDAS AND UNCLE BAD FINGER BUT NEVER UNDER TRUMP. FUNNY THAT.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 27, 2022 12:53 PM (WKPeU)

422 388
Massive ball-shriveling cowardice right in the Heart of Texas.
Everyone involved in law enforcement for this shooting should be horse-whipped out of town.
There is no excuse for this.
Hell, now I want to see new open-carry laws that include rifles.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 27, 2022 12:50 PM (5NkmN)

Not before the tar and feathering and some poking with pitchforks.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 27, 2022 12:53 PM (ynpvh)

423 It'll behoove ya
to shitcan the Uvalde
DPS.

Posted by: 496 at May 27, 2022 12:53 PM (VJsqe)

424 Remember back in the '60s the sniper in the clock tower in Texas.

Civilians and cops rushed in and took him down.

I want those times back.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 27, 2022


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And Whitman I believe had a brain tumor. He was not insane because of psychotropic meds.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 27, 2022 12:53 PM (txdEq)

425 401 If the Uvalde chief had a shred of decency he would resign immediately.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 27, 2022 12:51 PM (R8uWY)

If this incident has shown us anything it's that in the Uvalde Police Department decency is in short supply.

Posted by: 29Victor at May 27, 2022 12:53 PM (BJKQV)

426 Wiki says one of the hostage takers set off a dead man's switch to a bomb at Breslan. And many hostages were killed when they were used as human shields. So you are likely right and I am confusing the two incidents.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at May 27, 2022 12:53 PM (5HBd1)

427 This is wrong to say but the blood of innocents scream for justice.

All the cops who sat there or restrained parents need to be shot and left to bleed out.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 27, 2022 12:53 PM (Fa9OY)

428 Something about Chuckles Schumer makes my skin crawl.
Posted by: N.L. Urker
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It's a bit like encountering a snake.

A venal person, driven entirely by self-serving politics, completely devoid of morality.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 27, 2022 12:53 PM (tAjbr)

429 old and busted

to protect and serve

new hotness

no one goes to jail for doing nothing

Posted by: REDACTED at May 27, 2022 12:53 PM (us2H3)

430 Remember:
Meal Team 6 rolled up in a f'ing armored troop carrier (!) in less time to beat down mask scofflaws than these same breed moved to stop a mass killer.

You would get your ass tossed in the paddy wagon in 30 minutes or less for not wearing a mask.

But they're sitting on their asses arguing over union regs as to who has to go in first to stop a killer of babies.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 27, 2022 12:53 PM (Zf0+a)

431 Crowder posted a video yesterday of a Subway car where some crazy person grabbed a woman by the hair and attacked her. 30 people, including a giant (as in big) hipster douche just watched and did nothing. People talk big until confronted with a situation, at which point very few have the bravery to act. This wasn't a one time thing either, there are many videos of this happening in NYC, and only twice can i remember someone intervening.
Posted by: Rbastid at May 27, 2022 12:50 PM (49WRT)

I was just hinking of that video. I believe most of us here are throwbacks to the way America used to be, but overall we are very small in number, and we live in a nation full of timid little sheep. And our "leaders" are the most worthless and timid little creatures of all.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 12:53 PM (trdmm)

432 On Tuesday night, Sgt. Erick Estrada, of the Texas Department of Public Safety

Wait, what? I thought he was on highway patrol?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 27, 2022 12:53 PM (U+Oxn)

433
For the past three years it's been non-stop abuse of police and Monday morning quarterbacking of each and every encounter. Personally, I would not have taken the abuse and quit a long time ago. But then I have a strong personality and tend to fight back. Look at the early retirements and shortage in police forces across the country. That's the strong saying '"Fvck this".

This is what you are left with, leftists. The weak. It's on you.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 27, 2022 12:53 PM (dQvv7)

434 Why are the police paid as well as they are? Because the public believes that the police will hazard themselves to protect people.

Why are the police able to retire at such a young age even though many, if not most of them, will never face actual danger during the course of their careers? Because the public believes that the police will hazard themselves to protect people.

What happens when the public comes to the conclusion that a large percentage of the police force is basically comprised of mall cops with worse attitudes, little or no understanding of the actual law, no respect for the public, and a yellow streak a mile wide?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at May 27, 2022 12:53 PM (GYIa4)

435 Almost there!

Posted by: David "Camera" Hogg on his bicycle at May 27, 2022 12:53 PM (RuRuy)

436 That's a great question.

Law enforcement has now admitted he was wandering around outside of the school for twelve f*cking minutes shooting at people. No one in the school thought to lock a door?

Is the community that bad that they don't even notice gunshots next to the school any longer?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 12:51 PM (MCL0p)

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White Supremacy Noise?

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at May 27, 2022 12:53 PM (TZivQ)

437 412 Well, at least we had Meghan Markle show up. Just think how worse it would’ve been had that not happened...
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 27, 2022 12:52 PM (rzOL9)

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So very true.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:54 PM (DcKNO)

438 391 How many murdered babies and sexually abused children will it take to satisfy Chuckles?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at May 27, 2022 12:50 PM (eGTCV)

They are all sacrifices to his actual god.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 27, 2022 12:54 PM (ynpvh)

439 402 Better to live one day as a lion than a lifetime as a member of the Uvalde Police Department.
Posted by: 29Victor at May 27, 2022 12:51 PM (BJKQV)



I want that shirt.

Posted by: Moki at May 27, 2022 12:54 PM (JrN/x)

440
Crowder posted a video yesterday of a Subway car where some crazy person grabbed a woman by the hair and attacked her. 30 people, including a giant (as in big) hipster douche just watched and did nothing. People talk big until confronted with a situation, at which point very few have the bravery to act. This wasn't a one time thing either, there are many videos of this happening in NYC, and only twice can i remember someone intervening.
Posted by: Rbastid at May 27, 2022 12:50 PM (49WRT)

Funnily I think there's a level of escalation required before I'd intervene. Basically I wouldn't pull a firearm on someone unless a sufficient immediate threat was present. Don't care to go to jail over beating an asshole too hard to protect another asshole.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 12:54 PM (b2nrj)

441
I'm reminded of the unofficial motto of the Coast Guard

"You have to go out. You don't have to come back."

If there's ever a LE situation where this applies, we just saw it in Uvalde.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 27, 2022 12:54 PM (n+4am)

442 > I'm having a hard time understanding why one Border Patrol agent went in and killed the guy but a whole group of cops waited around.

He wasn't just some BP agent. He's BORTAC. Those guys are serious badasses. Not to excuse the locals.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 27, 2022 12:54 PM (i0wNm)

443 This gets Hispanics back on board with Dems. None of this is coincidental

Posted by: Joe Xiden at May 27, 2022 12:51 PM (OalnH)

Someone tell Obama who seemed singlemindedly intent on pushing them even further away. Doesn't make sense to me that he's not on board with the Narrative. Asshole doesn't so much as wrinkle his tongue without a pat on the head from Jarrett.

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 12:54 PM (SsEhE)

444 I thinking that the kindergarten cop wasn't on campus because 11:30 sounds like a reasonable time for a lunch break and he stepped out to get some ham and eggs.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 27, 2022 12:54 PM (BP3/z)

445 These officers were merely sheltering in place….

Posted by: Jen Psaki at May 27, 2022 12:46 PM (bVp5S)

I believe it.

https://www.ucisd.net/Page/2120

Posted by: BignJames at May 27, 2022 12:54 PM (AwYPR)

446 How many of those babies bled out who might have been saved??
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 27, 2022 12:48 PM

I hope those fucksticks think about that the rest of their miserable lives. I have no words at the anger I feel for them. I can't imagine the parents angst.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 27, 2022 12:54 PM (HhM4+)

447 I still do not understand why the police did not assault the outside windows to the classroom?

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It would be a good question for the multiple federal marshals that were coincidentally on site.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 12:54 PM (MCL0p)

448 To self-protect and self-serve.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 27, 2022 12:54 PM (+le6S)

449 We've spent millions upgrading schools with wi-fi and connectivity tools and electronic teaching tools and iPads and wired everything... How is it that the school had no security cameras to pinpoint exactly where the psychopath was holed up? In the four minutes it took to get from the police station to the school, they should have had a blueprint to the school on every officer's phone, and a plan to breach. And if you don't have the keys to the front door, ask any parent waiting desperately outside for knowledge of whether or not their child was still alive, if it'd be okay to take their Grand Caravan and ram it through the admissions office. Pretty sure you'd gain entry.

Posted by: red speck at May 27, 2022 12:55 PM (gS3OW)

450 If they're this afraid of guns, why do you think I'll keep mine?

Posted by: t-bird at May 27, 2022 12:55 PM (2e5RV)

451 Law enforcement has now admitted he was wandering around outside of the school for twelve f*cking minutes shooting at people. No one in the school thought to lock a door?

Is the community that bad that they don't even notice gunshots next to the school any longer?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 12:51 PM (MCL0p)

We need a LOT MORE Kyle Rittenhouses.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 27, 2022 12:55 PM (oHd/0)

452 One thing that makes the police role inexcusable is that this little school was the old-fashioned, single floor type with a whole wall of windows open to the outside.

A rifle shot or two or even a quick storming to the windows and shooting through them would killed the shooter instantly.

Rarely, do you see cowardice and stupidity combine in such a potent mix.

Horse-whipping all around. With firings and pension loss to follow.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 27, 2022 12:55 PM (5NkmN)

453 UCISD Police Department:

https://www.ucisd.net/domain/1670

Posted by: Get on it, Wheels at May 27, 2022 12:55 PM (K4bJk)

454 I don't know if it's been mentioned in the thread yet, but the reason the Border Patrol agents went in is because one of them had a child in that school.

https://tinyurl.com/yc436kcx

Posted by: wizardpc at May 27, 2022 12:55 PM (ZnxyO)

455 397 I think someone mentioned - it takes minutes to evacuate the school, so if that scenario was in play (and calling cops grandma probably would have had best info), you can allow them 5 minutes of waiting before busting in...not 55...
Posted by: Nova local at May 27, 2022 12:49 PM (exHjb)

They didn't evacuate the school it sounds like.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 12:51 PM (b2nrj)

some reports say that some of the police there DID evacuate their own kids.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 27, 2022 12:55 PM (ynpvh)

456 Not ACAB. Just these Uvalde mushrooms.

I'll say it again. Those cowards need to Better Call Saul right this second, Saul knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy, and the guy will disappear them to some major metro area that has a large community of illegal mexicans.

Not central americans like hondurans or guats. Mexicans. All the browns know who is who.

They need to be disappeared into some big community of mexicans that includes a large portion that are illegal, the kind of place where everybody keeps their heads down and nobody asks questions.

They need to become new Gomezes in a sea of heads-down Gomezes. And get a job with a landscaper outfit that pays cash, makes you blow leaves all day, wearing a facemask, away from security cameras.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 27, 2022 12:55 PM (KiBMU)

457 397 I think someone mentioned - it takes minutes to evacuate the school, so if that scenario was in play (and calling cops grandma probably would have had best info), you can allow them 5 minutes of waiting before busting in...not 55...
Posted by: Nova local at May 27, 2022 12:49 PM (exHjb)

They didn't evacuate the school it sounds like.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 12:51 PM (b2nrj)

Well, then, they get 0 minutes for waiting...it should have been a constant attempt to breach and save the kids in that classroom...

Posted by: Nova local at May 27, 2022 12:55 PM (exHjb)

458 There are police who have lost their lives doing the right thing. I don't want to broad brush (never stopped me before) but I'm trying to remember there are a lot of good cops.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:55 PM (DcKNO)

459 416 Well nobody ultimately improvised entry. They waited until they had a key and then a BP guy went in. Unclear how much backup was there.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy

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It's weird how none of the police parents needed a key to get in and retrieve their kids.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 12:52 PM (MCL0p)

Those other classrooms aren't locked. Could've had the teachers walk their whole classes out. Nothing weird about that.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 12:55 PM (b2nrj)

460 If the guy was shooting outside for 12 minutes, why wasn't the school in lockdown/ shelter in place already? Lock all the doors, hide under your desks, there is a crazy guy shooting outside of the school?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 27, 2022 12:55 PM (R8uWY)

461 Those cops need to move out of the state

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at May 27, 2022 12:55 PM (okIP3)

462 I'm having a hard time understanding why one Border Patrol agent went in and killed the guy but a whole group of cops waited around.


Well first I'm guessing he didn't have his balls surgically removed.

Posted by: Officer DOnuts at May 27, 2022 12:56 PM (ESjRY)

463 Couldn't the principal use the intercom, and then go make sure it got done? Wouldn't gunshots through the outside classroom windows be a FUCKING CLUE to the teachers?
Posted by: rd at May 27, 2022 12:52 PM (Z32m1)

If the shooter could lock this apparently unbreakable door, why couldn't the teacher have done the same?

Posted by: 29Victor at May 27, 2022 12:56 PM (BJKQV)

464 Performers pulling out of the NRA convention could be more that entertainiing people after such a devastating event seems inappropriate not because they have anything against guns.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 27, 2022 12:56 PM (Y+l9t)

465 Posted by: red speck at May 27, 2022 12:55 PM (gS3OW)

How is it that with GUNFIRE going off outside for 12 minutes, no body LOCKED THE FUCKING DOORS to the School and Classrooms.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 27, 2022 12:56 PM (oHd/0)

466 Rather, in those other classrooms the teachers can just open the door from the inside. I assume they did lock their doors with a shooting going on.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 12:56 PM (b2nrj)

467 This is beyond appalling.

1. You have a right to defend your child from an imminent threat of death. Self defense the second person. Anyone stopping you from exercising that right is a party to the threat. I.e. if you're not going to do anything, my kid's in there I damn well have a right to what's in my power to make my kid safe. Police are lucky this didn't turn into a shootout with a parent.

2. So you lack the equipment to make a gunfight safe? To bad. Numbers and tempo, now go and save those kids. You made promises to this community, kids lives are on the line, now go do what you promised you'd do. Any officer who was a party to the decision not to take this guy down should lose his badge and pension, and have a local ordinance giving him the official honorific "Coward"

Posted by: mikethemoose at May 27, 2022 12:56 PM (z/ZJG)

468 Is that a real Poncherello or a Sears Poncherello?

Posted by: fd at May 27, 2022 12:56 PM (vrz2I)

469 Last couple time I got tickets, both BS about 15 and 20 years ago, (one was lights supposed;y off at night, other was passing a school bus) and I had the NERVE to question what I was being pulled over for and then politely question/dispute the tickler I was given, the cops were pretty damn fearless, shouted at me and seemed to be hoping for reason to pull me out of the car and arrest me. Assholes . But undoubtedly fearless in the face of such danger. Crap like this keep me from being a full-on Back The Blue.

Posted by: Ripley at May 27, 2022 12:56 PM (MxEKc)

470 432 On Tuesday night, Sgt. Erick Estrada, of the Texas Department of Public Safety

Wait, what? I thought he was on highway patrol?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 27, 2022 12:53 PM (U+Oxn)

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He got the hell outta California when the gettin' was good.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at May 27, 2022 12:56 PM (TZivQ)

471 "On Tuesday night, Sgt. Erick Estrada, of the Texas Department of Public Safety, told CNN news anchor Anderson Cooper that law enforcement officers had actually exchanged gunfire with Ramos before he committed mass murder.

He did not specify which branch of law enforcement was involved, but said: "The suspect did crash near a ditch nearby the school. That's where he exited his vehicle with what I believe was a rifle, and that's when he attempted to enter the school where he was engaged by law enforcement."

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 12:50 PM (MCL0p)
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Sgt. Erick Estrada STRAIGHT OUT LIED.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 27, 2022 12:56 PM (WKPeU)

472 431: when the guy grabbed her hair and made her sit beside him, she mouthed, "Somebody help me." No one did. There were enough men on that subway car to have taken the guy. They filmed it instead.

Posted by: Moki at May 27, 2022 12:56 PM (JrN/x)

473 On Tuesday night, Sgt. Erick Estrada, of the Texas Department of Public Safety
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Wait, what? I thought he was on highway patrol?
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He retired at 22 years with full benefits after buying out three years, now he's double dipping and will have full benefits in Texas.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 12:56 PM (MCL0p)

474 All schools in my area are always locked doors and requires the office secretary to buzz you in after looking at you on the video feed. At no time can someone just enter the building. Also schools go in lock down if there is any reported crime in a mile radius.

During morning school drop off all students are required to enter the building immediately.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at May 27, 2022 12:56 PM (uN/bK)

475
Are cops becoming this specialized? That the Officer Robins's felt that their role was to wait until the heroes showed up? That they weren't physically or emotionally equipped for this situation?

Posted by: 29Victor at May 27, 2022 12:44 PM (BJKQV)

I think this is the case for many. In NYC there are COPS, guys who are in SWAT and other heavy responders units who are all huge men who you would never screw with. More recently there are also cops, people who God love them want to protect and serve, but really aren't equipped, but they get a badge because of quotas.

If you're in a bad situation you want that first group, if the second group shows up odds are you're screwed, because they're going to wait for that first group to show up to do something.

Posted by: Rbastid at May 27, 2022 12:56 PM (49WRT)

476 This is so sickening and depressing. I want to throw up. Those poor terrified kids.


If I know Jesus, and I do, those children are gathered around Him as we speak with all the cares of the world lifted from them, at perfect peace.



Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 27, 2022 12:56 PM (ELbmp)

477 460 If the guy was shooting outside for 12 minutes, why wasn't the school in lockdown/ shelter in place already? Lock all the doors, hide under your desks, there is a crazy guy shooting outside of the school?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 27, 2022 12:55 PM (R8uWY)

That is a good question.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 12:56 PM (b2nrj)

478 Sgt. Erick Estrada? From CHiPs?

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at May 27, 2022 12:56 PM (jYQlA)

479 Every second of distraction the cops could have made was a second he was not shooting at children. Every bullet he shot at police was a bullet not shot at a child.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 27, 2022 12:57 PM (R8uWY)

480 Conference was lip-smacking good.

Posted by: For gp, The Action IS The Juice at May 27, 2022 12:57 PM (qpX6U)

481 Burning my flags with the blue stripes.

Actually, there ought to be organized marches on cop shops all over the country, people burning blue-stripe flags, shouting COWARDS COWARDS COWARDS.

And make sure the news crews are there.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 27, 2022 12:57 PM (KiBMU)

482 If I were on that subway I would have sat and done nothing. Best case scenario I get punched in the face by the guy assaulting the woman. Worst case scenario I fight him he hits his head dies, I am Chauvined and spend the rest of my life either in prison or with a target on my back from BLM.

Thanks but no.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at May 27, 2022 12:57 PM (OalnH)

483 418 Thomas and Alito are old.

If the Dems replace one of them, 2A is gone.

I Mean completely gone.
Posted by: I've got bad news for you at May 27, 2022 12:52 PM (E/Ha5)

Then I and millions like me will become volunteer criminals.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 27, 2022 12:57 PM (Qhnrt)

484 Shooter is stuck in one classroom. Yeah it's a bad look to be getting their kids out of other classrooms and not letting parents do that, but it's not really affecting body count.

What is affecting body count is the failure to move in on the shooter.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 12:17 PM (b2nrj)

Which means the children in other classrooms are not in immediate danger, either, as long as the shooter is kept confined to the one room.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2022 12:57 PM (OKsR+)

485 For the past three years it's been non-stop abuse of police and Monday morning quarterbacking of each and every encounter. Personally, I would not have taken the abuse and quit a long time ago. But then I have a strong personality and tend to fight back. Look at the early retirements and shortage in police forces across the country. That's the strong saying '"Fvck this".

This is what you are left with, leftists. The weak. It's on you.
Posted by: Divide by Zero

Read the comments about the court cases from the 1970s and 1980s. Police placing their safety over doing their job isn't new,

Posted by: Blue Hen at May 27, 2022 12:57 PM (VYjdj)

486 We were going to rush into the burning building to save the little kids, but then we realized one of us might get hurt.

Posted by: Said No Fireman Ever! at May 27, 2022 12:57 PM (I2/tG)

487 Almost there!
Posted by: David "Camera" Hogg
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Go for it Davey! You can declare your self to be a 'survivor' of two school shootings. Unprecedented! Stunning! Brave!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 27, 2022 12:57 PM (tUVP/)

488 Democrats desperately want to change the focus from the economy and inner-city carnage. So when a lunatic known to be a threat kills innocent children and their teachers, well, it's time to make hay while the sun shines. So they think. The MSM propagandists have their orders, but all this frou-fra isn't going to change a damn thing except to make people even angrier and more willing to make a change at the ballot box.

Posted by: mrp at May 27, 2022 12:58 PM (6eRlp)

489 418 Thomas and Alito are old.
If the Dems replace one of them, 2A is gone.
I Mean completely gone.
Posted by: I've got bad news for you at May 27, 2022 12:52 PM (E/Ha5)

Not gone, just ignored like all the other Constitutional limitations on the Fed that have been ignored the last 120 years.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 27, 2022 12:58 PM (ynpvh)

490 "The suspect did crash near a ditch nearby the school. That's where he exited his vehicle with what I believe was a rifle, and that's when he attempted to enter the school where he was engaged by law enforcement."
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022


***
The cops were that bad at shooting? Okay, he had a rifle, they had only handguns at that point. Handguns are less accurate, generally speaking, than a rifle. But if several cops were shooting at him, you'd think at least a few slugs would have hit him.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 27, 2022 12:58 PM (txdEq)

491 458 There are police who have lost their lives doing the right thing. I don't want to broad brush (never stopped me before) but I'm trying to remember there are a lot of good cops.
Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:55 PM (DcKNO)

Problem with a Chain of Command... its like the Military where a if a lot of good soldiers are led by a cowardly Officer... you get inaction.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 27, 2022 12:58 PM (oHd/0)

492 454 I don't know if it's been mentioned in the thread yet, but the reason the Border Patrol agents went in is because one of them had a child in that school.

https://tinyurl.com/yc436kcx
Posted by: wizardpc at May 27, 2022 12:55 PM (ZnxyO)

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I don't think that's the guy who killed the shooter. I'm glad he went in but he's not the one.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:58 PM (DcKNO)

493 It's weird how none of the police parents needed a key to get in and retrieve their kids.
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Those other classrooms aren't locked. Could've had the teachers walk their whole classes out. Nothing weird about that.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy

During an active shooter/hostage standoff situation where gunfire is audible.

Well that opens up an entirely different conversation.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 12:58 PM (MCL0p)

494 Sgt. Erick Estrada STRAIGHT OUT LIED.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 27, 2022 12:56 PM (WKPeU)

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Imma gonna need to hear a determination from the Ministry of Truth first before I know what not to wrong-think.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at May 27, 2022 12:58 PM (TZivQ)

495 Thomas and Alito are old.

If the Dems replace one of them, 2A is gone.

I Mean completely gone.
Posted by: I've got bad news for you


Remove ANY of the first ten amendments and you have dissolved the country.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 27, 2022 12:59 PM (c8pZY)

496 Does our 2nd Amendment guarantee that upon having your 18th birthday you always have the right to buy multi shot guns?
What about other arms like RPGs? Fully automatic guns need a special license' should thst be extended to all semi auto guns?
Does "bear arms" mean anything that is man portable?
Claymores?

Posted by: Steve at May 27, 2022 12:59 PM (7cyn/)

497 Old: Back the blue
New: Back over the blue.

Posted by: 496 at May 27, 2022 12:59 PM (VJsqe)

498 The cops were that bad at shooting? Okay, he had a rifle, they had only handguns at that point. Handguns are less accurate, generally speaking, than a rifle. But if several cops were shooting at him, you'd think at least a few slugs would have hit him.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 27, 2022 12:58 PM (txdEq)

At less than 20 feet... it is immaterial if its a rifle or shotgun, if they have had any training at all.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 27, 2022 12:59 PM (oHd/0)

499 Not only the officers making the wrong decision but You don't prop open a door and let it remain open.
That teacher also has to live with that for the rest of their life.

Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2022 12:59 PM (NpAcC)

500 >>> If the guy was shooting outside for 12 minutes, why wasn't the school in lockdown/ shelter in place already? Lock all the doors, hide under your desks, there is a crazy guy shooting outside of the school?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 27, 2022 12:55 PM (R8uWY)


Because it would have prevented the current very convenient carnival.

Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 12:59 PM (QzpS1)

501 Also how much of this is cops getting more training by watching TV series. What they did seems like what you always see on TV shows, you know "create a perimeter and watch for the hard/sassy hostage negotiator to show up" This seems like a small town, how equipped, training/mentally, are these cops?

Posted by: Rbastid at May 27, 2022 12:59 PM (49WRT)

502 First 911 call came because he was shooting into a funeral home parking lot. It was clear from the start that he had murder in mind. He never should have made it into that school. This is Texas. Cannot understand why there weren't more people with guns close by.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 27, 2022 12:59 PM (Y+l9t)

503 432 On Tuesday night, Sgt. Erick Estrada, of the Texas Department of Public Safety

Wait, what? I thought he was on highway patrol?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 27, 2022 12:53 PM (U+Oxn)

He got promoted

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 27, 2022 12:59 PM (ynpvh)

504
Compare these cops to the cops who Very Quickly detained the Very Threatening jack posobiec at Davros.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at May 27, 2022 12:59 PM (+C1V+)

505 Gilliibrand has become one of the Ghost Twins from The Matrix.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 27, 2022 01:00 PM (j36Sr)

506 Problem with a Chain of Command... its like the Military where a if a lot of good soldiers are led by a cowardly Officer... you get inaction.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 27, 2022 12:58 PM (oHd/0)

I agree with you - I think the Incident Commander was the one who deserves the fault. Once he ruled that everyone should just wait, nobody in his command was going to countermand him.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 01:00 PM (trdmm)

507 I saw a lack of leadership among my fellow officers in the Navy. It was one of the reasons I resigned.
Posted by: Archer at May 27, 2022 12:39 PM (gmo/4)

Same here. Old man was banging a JO while we were in Desert Storm. Suntanning with her right near the skivvy wavers.

Posted by: Clutch at May 27, 2022 01:00 PM (9UmRs)

508 I am Bortac. Very nice!

Posted by: Bortac at May 27, 2022 01:00 PM (SsEhE)

509 Presser cop has tardive dyskinesia?

Posted by: For gp, The Action IS The Juice at May 27, 2022 01:00 PM (qpX6U)

510 Every thought I consider articulating in these grey boxes sounds hollow. I have a bad taste in my mouth and my heart aches. The left has achieved a twofer with Ulvalde. Another page in the "guns are evil" narrative and a significant amount of erosion to our faith in law enforcement. I imagine there is actual elation in some sections of our enemies camp. Be careful what you wish for morons. As for me, I am going to wander across the road and expend however many rounds of precious ammo it takes to wash some of this bad taste out of my mouth. They can pass whatever laws they want. The rule of law is cold and dead in this land of ours.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at May 27, 2022 01:00 PM (VTlqx)

511 The cops were that bad at shooting? Okay, he had a rifle, they had only handguns at that point. Handguns are less accurate, generally speaking, than a rifle. But if several cops were shooting at him, you'd think at least a few slugs would have hit him.
Posted by: Wolfus Aureliu

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No.

That's the thing. They're admitting they lied. They apparently weren't there when he crashed. They didn't engage. They now admit that he wandered the campus and area for twelve minutes shooting at random people before entering the school.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 01:00 PM (MCL0p)

512 maybe normal people will have some FURY at the lefts':

1. equality of discipline outcomes policy which keeps these weirdos in schools
2. anti-asylum folks who keep crazy kids like this one (and Cruz from Parkland) from being taken off the streets
3. gun free zone advocates who make kids sitting ducks.

Posted by: sockamster-rookie poster at May 27, 2022 01:00 PM (OuH7W)

513 >>>454 I don't know if it's been mentioned in the thread yet, but the reason the Border Patrol agents went in is because one of them had a child in that school.

A few balls, a couple of guns, a fresh can of whip ass, and a glass of shut the f*ck up and get out of my way to give to the parking ticket patrol. Yeah.

Posted by: mikethemoose at May 27, 2022 01:01 PM (z/ZJG)

514 be mad at the cops because all it took was one guy going in and engaging the kid to end it, right?

Posted by: sockamster-rookie poster at May 27, 2022 01:01 PM (OuH7W)

515 One of the Portland pro-Antifa people on Twitter is exulting that this means that ordinary people will no longer trust the cops.

I'm not sure if he's going to like where that reasoning is going to lead to.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 27, 2022 01:01 PM (I2/tG)

516 Bortac is an excellent brand name for our new drug,

Posted by: Big Pharma at May 27, 2022 01:01 PM (qpX6U)

517 At less than 20 feet... it is immaterial if its a rifle or shotgun, if they have had any training at all.

*

They weren't there.

You can't shoot if you aren't on site.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 01:01 PM (MCL0p)

518 Posted by: Steve at May 27, 2022 12:59 PM (7cyn/)

Actually, that is exactly what the Founders intended. The civilian ownership of ARTILLY, ie cannons, was common place. The common cannon in the Town Square? Was FUNCTIONAL.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 27, 2022 01:01 PM (oHd/0)

519 >>> the nation's prioritization of never shooting "unarmed (but actually armed) felons" has caused us to stop hiring cops with the sort of psychology you actually need for effective law enforcement -- which may occasionally necessitate shooting people...

Let's not get sued.
Call legal for recommendation.
Keep it out of the news.
Not my ass.

Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone at May 27, 2022 01:01 PM (jyW7T)

520 I live in a town the size of Uvalde. Good people in our community reach out to our police force and support them. These relationships between community members and police also naturally involve accountability. I think it helps protect everyone from a dysfunctional police force.

Posted by: Emmie at May 27, 2022 01:01 PM (6RgRK)

521 They're going to need some extra time to huddle up and get all their ducks in a shooting gallery. -- Y. Berra

Posted by: micky at May 27, 2022 01:01 PM (3byMq)

522 >>> Once he ruled that everyone should just wait, nobody in his command was going to countermand him.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 01:00 PM (trdmm)


Didn't they go in to carry out their own opportunistic business for their own family though?

Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 01:01 PM (QzpS1)

523 502 First 911 call came because he was shooting into a funeral home parking lot. It was clear from the start that he had murder in mind. He never should have made it into that school. This is Texas. Cannot understand why there weren't more people with guns close by.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 27, 2022 12:59 PM (Y+l9t)

Middle of a school day. Everyone is at work. Schools tend to be in mostly residential areas right? Realistically you might have some armed stay at home moms in the vicinity and the adult employees of the school itself, which is a gun free zone.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 01:01 PM (b2nrj)

524 Isn’t that a weird thing to say? Receiving gun shots. Shot at or taking fire. But receiving gunshots? That just sounds weird.
Posted by: Joe Xiden at May 27, 2022 12:43 PM (OalnH)

special delivery for Officer Johnson.

sign here please...

Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at May 27, 2022 01:02 PM (p03vF)

525 It makes more sense that China controls Biden.

So the cops were setting up a satanist sacrifice.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 27, 2022 01:02 PM (zPonD)

526 For those in the Horde, you may want to start adding this one:

"Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil; May God rebuke him, we humbly pray; And do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all evil spirits who wander through the world for the ruin of souls. Amen."

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 27, 2022 01:02 PM (N39Ws)

527
The Left: You don't need a gun to defend yourself wingnut that's what the cops are for!

The Cops: So, uh a mass shooting you say? We're gonna need at least an hour ok? And remember social distance and stay safe!

Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2022 01:02 PM (ESjRY)

528 Wait, what? I thought he was on highway patrol?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair
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We are often mistaken for one another.

Posted by: Broderick Crawford at May 27, 2022 01:02 PM (tUVP/)

529 Tar, feathers, some assembly required.

Posted by: Next2Nothing at May 27, 2022 01:02 PM (tA1/w)

530 If they did not know where he was, how was.he contained to one room?

As I said on the Twats this morning, fine, if cops do not want to get shot, fine. If you do not want that responsibility, then you do not get the rights that come with being a cop, namely qualified immunity. No risk. No reward.

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at May 27, 2022 01:02 PM (BtZA0)

531 Fox "News" Radio just was giving "Advise for protestors going to Houston" during their hourly propaganda break.

Posted by: fd at May 27, 2022 01:03 PM (vrz2I)

532 Steve, as in Steve Kerr? What is a Multi shot gun by the way? Does it have the thing that goes up?

Posted by: Joe Xiden at May 27, 2022 01:03 PM (OalnH)

533
Tony Plohetski
@tplohetski
BREAKING: The director of DPS confirms that no efforts were made to rescue children because an on-scene commander believed that authorities were addressing a barricaded suspect, not an active shooter. "A decision was made...that there was time...to wait for a tactical team."

Posted by: 29Victor at May 27, 2022 01:03 PM (BJKQV)

534 330 Let's just start with firing any cop that handcuffed, tazed or constrained a parent from going in.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at May 27, 2022 12:44 PM (5HBd1)

I know it looks bad (the tasing really was) but they can't let parents go in, no matter what. It makes ther situation worse, causes chaos, and you end up with more dead. Everyone would then be screaming "why did they let those parents go in and die."

You don't see firemen just letting everyone back in to a burning building to save family, cops can't do the same.

Emotionally you want them to save the kids, but in all reality letting them back in ends up worse, such as if they found kids, lead them out right by the shooter, and he mows them down.

Posted by: Rbastid at May 27, 2022 01:03 PM (49WRT)

535 I still think there's more to this story that will make the adults' reactions look even worse. Wasn't the shooter OUTSIDE the school for 15 minutes shooting things up? He didn't sneak into the school and then start shooting. Did nobody at the school in the entire 15 minutes of gunfire think to lock the fucking doors to the school??

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 27, 2022 01:03 PM (iFTx/)

536 504
Compare these cops to the cops who Very Quickly detained the Very Threatening jack posobiec at Davros.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at May 27, 2022 12:59 PM (+C1V+

The difference there is that They knew who their Masters were, and they knew exactly what their Masters wanted them to do. And they know that those Masters don't put up with lame excuses.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 01:03 PM (trdmm)

537 Old: Don't Mess With Texas

New: Hey! I don't want any trouble. Just let me eat my bear claw!

Posted by: Landofskybluewater at May 27, 2022 01:03 PM (Geoni)

538 Bortac is an excellent brand name for our new drug,
Posted by: Big Pharma
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20 Mule Team Bortac.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 27, 2022 01:03 PM (XQDUp)

539 OMG -- How are these cops going to live with this small-town community?

How many times have we heard: Whatver it takes to get me home safe at the end of the day.

Posted by: JM in Florida at May 27, 2022 01:03 PM (L7jyl)

540 496 Posted by: Steve at May 27, 2022 12:59 PM (7cyn/)

Yes. And canons. And Frigates.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 27, 2022 01:04 PM (ynpvh)

541 Spokesman admits "wrong decision."

Posted by: Big Pharma at May 27, 2022 01:04 PM (qpX6U)

542 440
Crowder posted a video yesterday of a Subway car where some crazy person grabbed a woman by the hair and attacked her. 30 people, including a giant (as in big) hipster douche just watched and did nothing. People talk big until confronted with a situation, at which point very few have the bravery to act. This wasn't a one time thing either, there are many videos of this happening in NYC, and only twice can i remember someone intervening.
Posted by: Rbastid at May 27, 2022 12:50 PM (49WRT)

Funnily I think there's a level of escalation required before I'd intervene. Basically I wouldn't pull a firearm on someone unless a sufficient immediate threat was present. Don't care to go to jail over beating an asshole too hard to protect another asshole.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 12:54 PM (b2nrj)

This is the Bystander (or Kitty Genovese) effect. When multiple people are present, people will either assume others will take action and look to others to see what actions should be taken because, to some degree, they are uncertain. It's not quite cowardice, but if one person takes charge and acts, then everyone else will follow.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 27, 2022 01:04 PM (I6MNo)

543 Greg Price
@greg_price11
·
55m
Texas DPS says that the door the shooter entered at Robb Elementary was propped open by a teacher.

The school resource officer drove to the campus after hearing the 911 call and drove by the shooter without realizing it.

Posted by: 29Victor at May 27, 2022 01:04 PM (BJKQV)

544 Off drug sock.

Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 01:04 PM (qpX6U)

545 Middle of a school day. Everyone is at work. Schools tend to be in mostly residential areas right? Realistically you might have some armed stay at home moms in the vicinity and the adult employees of the school itself, which is a gun free zone.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 01:01 PM (b2nrj)

The Border Control Cop who wasted the guy was getting a haircut and grabbed a shotgun from.the barber.

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at May 27, 2022 01:04 PM (BtZA0)

546 Just when I can't fathom the world going even more insane than it already has, this nightmare comes along.
You would think that mutual love and deep seated instinct to protect our children would cause the left to at least take a careful look at how these monstrously evil events erupt. But no. They are politically/ideologically instinctual animals before they are parents. Even when childrens' precious lives and safety are on the line: their progressive gun-grabbing agenda comes first.
Sick.
So. Fucking. Sick.

Posted by: Bach in Black at May 27, 2022 01:04 PM (7ubmG)

547 374 Iranian military operatives have seized two Greek oil tankers in the Persian Gulf on Friday.
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The US seized a Russian tanker carrying Iranian oil off the coast of Greece a couple of days ago. This looks like Iran's response to that.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 27, 2022 01:05 PM (sWM8x)

548 Cue the "it was a bad call" scene from Aliens . . . .

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 27, 2022 01:05 PM (iFTx/)

549
If the shooter could lock this apparently unbreakable door, why couldn't the teacher have done the same?

Posted by: 29Victor at May 27, 2022 12:56 PM (BJKQV)


Sadly, according to the info provided by the speaker today, this is one of the human errors in the incident. UCISD's published Security Measures requires teachers be instructed to keep classroom doors closed and locked at all times.

https://tinyurl.com/yb4tsur9

Posted by: Get on it, Wheels at May 27, 2022 01:05 PM (K4bJk)

550 The New York Times
@nytimes
·
1h
Breaking News: Border Patrol agents arrived far earlier than disclosed, but the Uvalde police initially kept them from entering the school, two officials said.

Posted by: 29Victor at May 27, 2022 01:05 PM (BJKQV)

551 WTF!!!!

You mean the fvcking cops don't know when school is in session?

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 27, 2022 01:05 PM (Fa9OY)

552 >>Steve, as in Steve Kerr?


He used to be my neighbor when I lived in Tucson.

Posted by: garrett at May 27, 2022 01:05 PM (KFK1l)

553 If the guy was shooting outside for 12 minutes, why wasn't the school in lockdown/ shelter in place already? Lock all the doors, hide under your desks, there is a crazy guy shooting outside of the school?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 27, 2022 12:55 PM (R8uWY)


Because it would have prevented the current very convenient carnival.
Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 12:59 PM (QzpS1)
*******
I think it was revised to 5 mins.

Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2022 01:05 PM (NpAcC)

554 I know it looks bad (the tasing really was) but they can't let parents go in, no matter what. It makes ther situation worse, causes chaos, and you end up with more dead. Everyone would then be screaming "why did they let those parents go in and die."

You don't see firemen just letting everyone back in to a burning building to save family, cops can't do the same.

Emotionally you want them to save the kids, but in all reality letting them back in ends up worse, such as if they found kids, lead them out right by the shooter, and he mows them down.
Posted by: Rbastid at May 27, 2022 01:03 PM (49WRT)

Which is what my Forensic Science Major daughter said, too...of course, she followed it up with "civilians don't go in b/c cops are already in, and you don't want them getting in each other's way and making the cops' job harder" - here, the cops weren't in, so civilians wouldn't have been an issue - if they got the job done.

Posted by: Nova local at May 27, 2022 01:05 PM (exHjb)

555
Funnily I think there's a level of escalation required before I'd intervene. Basically I wouldn't pull a firearm on someone unless a sufficient immediate threat was present. Don't care to go to jail over beating an asshole too hard to protect another asshole.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 12:54 PM (b2nrj)

In situations like that on the subway I don't even think you'd need to get too violent, once once person acts the group will follow, but it takes that first person, and sadly in new York at least those people are getting harder to find.

Posted by: Rbastid at May 27, 2022 01:05 PM (49WRT)

556 530 If they did not know where he was, how was.he contained to one room?

As I said on the Twats this morning, fine, if cops do not want to get shot, fine. If you do not want that responsibility, then you do not get the rights that come with being a cop, namely qualified immunity. No risk. No reward.
Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at May 27, 2022 01:02 PM (BtZA0)

Could be taken to mean "didn't know where he was within that room". As in his precise location, making it difficult and dangerous to approach. Which is true, but comes with the territory.

They must have known what room he was in, and they even knew the door was locked so it means at some point they tried the door.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 01:05 PM (b2nrj)

557

SHAME
SHAME
SHAME

Posted by: DB at May 27, 2022 01:06 PM (geLO8)

558 >>> BREAKING: The director of DPS confirms that no efforts were made to rescue children because an on-scene commander believed that authorities were addressing a barricaded suspect, not an active shooter. "A decision was made...that there was time...to wait for a tactical team."
Posted by: 29Victor at May 27, 2022 01:03 PM (BJKQV)


Those barricades sometimes sound an awful lot like assailants emptying a rifle into children if you listen veeeeeery carefully.

Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 01:06 PM (QzpS1)

559 I knew Bortac's brother, Thumb.

Posted by: JT at May 27, 2022 01:06 PM (arJlL)

560 Couldn't the principal order all doors locked?
Posted by: mr tmz at May 27, 2022 12:47 PM (rJ48h)

That's supposed to be standard when major crimes happen anywhere in the vicinity of a school. I doubt we'll find out what link in that chain failed.

Posted by: Sjg at May 27, 2022 01:06 PM (gDSJf)

561 UCISD is providing a safe area and to not bullying. Saving children's lives, not so much.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 27, 2022 01:06 PM (WKPeU)

562 Correct, the active shooter situation, you want to stop the killing, you want to preserve life, but also one thing that -- of course, the American people need to understand -- that officers are making entry into this building. They do not know where the gunman is. They are hearing gunshots. They are receiving gunshots.
...
So they were able to contain that gunman inside that classroom so that he was not able to go to any other portions of the school to commit any other killings.

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But that was different once he was in that classroom. How did they learn about his location? How was he trapped there? Why did they do nothing? Why is "we didn't know where he was" an excuse anyway?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 27, 2022 01:06 PM (hsGnm)

563 Everyone saying this is Texas how could this happen? It’s more like Mexico if we’re being honest about it.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at May 27, 2022 01:06 PM (OalnH)

564 Didn't they go in to carry out their own opportunistic business for their own family though?
Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 01:01 PM (QzpS1)

so much is still unclear - I'm not sure that was anyone on the official Response team, might have just been off duty personnel responding to the situation on their own.

I hate to say it, but the vast majority of small town cops are just time clock punchers.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 01:06 PM (trdmm)

565
Ham & eggs. Flags. Boy scouts. Eagles. Top men. 99% good men and women. Ninja workout. Respect the badge. Great American. Back the blue. My mom was a jail guard. Rank and file. Roofing.

Posted by: Hannitybot at May 27, 2022 01:07 PM (FIJ+3)

566 558 >>> BREAKING: The director of DPS confirms that no efforts were made to rescue children because an on-scene commander believed that authorities were addressing a barricaded suspect, not an active shooter. "A decision was made...that there was time...to wait for a tactical team."
Posted by: 29Victor at May 27, 2022 01:03 PM (BJKQV)


Those barricades sometimes sound an awful lot like assailants emptying a rifle into children if you listen veeeeeery carefully.

Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 01:06 PM (QzpS1)

Yeah, igore all the gunshots you are hearing.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 27, 2022 01:07 PM (ynpvh)

567 This is the Bystander (or Kitty Genovese) effect. When multiple people are present, people will either assume others will take action and look to others to see what actions should be taken because, to some degree, they are uncertain. It's not quite cowardice, but if one person takes charge and acts, then everyone else will follow.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 27, 2022 01:04 PM (I6MNo)

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"Let's roll!" -- Todd Beamer

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at May 27, 2022 01:07 PM (TZivQ)

568 The Border Control Cop who wasted the guy was getting a haircut and grabbed a shotgun from.the barber.
Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at May 27, 2022 01:04 PM (BtZA0)

Every school in America should have two old guys sitting out front in rocking chairs and armed with shotguns.

Posted by: 29Victor at May 27, 2022 01:07 PM (BJKQV)

569
If someone is getting attacked near me and there's someone else just standing there video-recording the whole thing, I would hesitate to do something, too.

I would have (at least) TWO people to strike down, if you know what I mean.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at May 27, 2022 01:07 PM (+C1V+)

570 I guess we won't be hearing "Thank a Teacher" for a while.

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 01:07 PM (SsEhE)

571 That's supposed to be standard when major crimes happen anywhere in the vicinity of a school. I doubt we'll find out what link in that chain failed.
Posted by: Sjg at May 27, 2022 01:06 PM (gDSJf)

this is one of those times when EVERY link in the chain failed.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 01:07 PM (trdmm)

572 Unless it's bullet proof glass, why not pink mist the guy from a distance?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 27, 2022 12:23 PM (GsQOb)

Good point. Go the fire department, or a local contractor, commandeer a man-lift bucket truck, and put a sniper with a high-power rifle and scope up in the air so he can see in the classroom windows from a hundred yards or more away. He locates the shooter, and makes the kill shot.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2022 01:08 PM (OKsR+)

573 A lot of people are slowly awakening from the bliss of ignorance and are realizing the Po Po aren't there to protect you and yours. They are there to protect the criminals and elites (BIRM) from us.

I'd of told them the shooter had a MAGA hat on. They'd have had seal team six and pistol carrying drones flying down that school hallway quicker than slow Joe soiling his Depends.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at May 27, 2022 01:08 PM (cCxiu)

574 545 Middle of a school day. Everyone is at work. Schools tend to be in mostly residential areas right? Realistically you might have some armed stay at home moms in the vicinity and the adult employees of the school itself, which is a gun free zone.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 01:01 PM (b2nrj)

The Border Control Cop who wasted the guy was getting a haircut and grabbed a shotgun from.the barber.
Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at May 27, 2022 01:04 PM (BtZA0)

He didn't show up immediately. He showed up after what, 40 minutes(due to travel or maybe needing to get that key) thanks to his wife calling?

In other words due to the timing and location of the attack, there weren't potential defenders in the immediate vicinity.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 01:08 PM (b2nrj)

575 Yes makes the sidebar and NOT Depeche Mode?


This must be Ace and not ace.

Posted by: garrett at May 27, 2022 01:08 PM (KFK1l)

576 I know it looks bad (the tasing really was) but they can't let parents go in, no matter what. It makes ther situation worse, causes chaos, and you end up with more dead. Everyone would then be screaming "why did they let those parents go in and die."

You don't see firemen just letting everyone back in to a burning building to save family, cops can't do the same.

Emotionally you want them to save the kids, but in all reality letting them back in ends up worse, such as if they found kids, lead them out right by the shooter, and he mows them down.
Posted by: Rbastid at May 27, 2022 01:03 PM (49WRT)

When the cops are letting kids die, fuck that and fuck them.

Next shooting the parents are going to storm in because they now know the cops won't do shit.


Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at May 27, 2022 01:08 PM (BtZA0)

577 If you ultra MAGAs would just pass common sense gun laws, we wouldn't have to risk our lives and other lives.

Posted by: Back the Blue, the next chapter at May 27, 2022 01:08 PM (Tc2CN)

578 BREAKING: The director of DPS confirms that no efforts were made to rescue children because an on-scene commander believed that authorities were addressing a barricaded suspect, not an active shooter. "A decision was made...that there was time...to wait for a tactical team."

Posted by: 29Victor at May 27, 2022 01:03 PM (BJKQV)

Didn't they already know he shot his own grandmother in the face? More bullshit.

Posted by: WeBoned! at May 27, 2022 01:08 PM (8k7U7)

579 534
I know it looks bad (the tasing really was) but they can't let parents go in, no matter what....
Posted by: Rbastid at May 27, 2022 01:03 PM (49WRT)

But its totes OK for the cops to go in and grab their own kids.

Sorry. I strongly disagree.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 27, 2022 01:09 PM (N39Ws)

580 Couldn't the principal order all doors locked?
Posted by: mr tmz at May 27, 2022 12:47 PM (rJ48h)

That's supposed to be standard when major crimes happen anywhere in the vicinity of a school. I doubt we'll find out what link in that chain failed.
Posted by: Sjg at May 27, 2022 01:06 PM (gDSJf)
*******
The door was supposed to be locked.
Teacher decided to prop open the door.
You might as well put out the welcome mat.

Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2022 01:09 PM (NpAcC)

581 513 >>>454 I don't know if it's been mentioned in the thread yet, but the reason the Border Patrol agents went in is because one of them had a child in that school.
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His wife called him and asked for help.
Whether he would have gotten out of the barber's chair anyway is irrelevant.

The Narrative is made the bar is set and a precedent is established for future occurrences.

Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone at May 27, 2022 01:09 PM (jyW7T)

582 But that was different once he was in that classroom. How did they learn about his location? How was he trapped there? Why did they do nothing? Why is "we didn't know where he was" an excuse anyway?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 27, 2022 01:06 PM (hsGnm)

They had to chase him in at some point, otherwise the dude would be running around the campus.

Also they had to try the door to know it was locked.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 01:09 PM (b2nrj)

583 576 I know it looks bad (the tasing really was) but they can't let parents go in, no matter what. It makes ther situation worse, causes chaos, and you end up with more dead. Everyone would then be screaming "why did they let those parents go in and die."

You don't see firemen just letting everyone back in to a burning building to save family, cops can't do the same.

Emotionally you want them to save the kids, but in all reality letting them back in ends up worse, such as if they found kids, lead them out right by the shooter, and he mows them down.
Posted by: Rbastid at May 27, 2022 01:03 PM (49WRT)

When the cops are letting kids die, fuck that and fuck them.
Next shooting the parents are going to storm in because they now know the cops won't do shit.

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at May 27, 2022 01:08 PM (BtZA0)

AT which point the cops start shooting the parents?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 27, 2022 01:09 PM (ynpvh)

584
Anyone else here have a Collapsible Baton?

They are illegal to own in my state, MA.

They are nice little tool, though.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at May 27, 2022 01:09 PM (+C1V+)

585 "on-scene commander believed that authorities were addressing a barricaded suspect, not an active shooter"

Seems to be the gist of it.

Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 01:10 PM (qpX6U)

586 Wasn't this scenario one of the purported reasons for militarizing the police? So that they could handle these situations with body armor and stuff?

Posted by: G. Gnome will not comply at May 27, 2022 01:10 PM (OQcPl)

587 Posted by: Joe Xiden at May 27, 2022 01:06 PM (OalnH)

That's a terrible thing to say.

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 01:10 PM (SsEhE)

588 Next shooting the parents are going to storm in because they now know the cops won't do shit.


Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at May 27, 2022 01:08 PM (BtZA0)
___________________________

This

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 27, 2022 01:10 PM (iFTx/)

589 I knew Bortac's brother, Thumb.
Posted by: JT
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There are some in the Hammer family tree.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 27, 2022 01:10 PM (jZBWN)

590 Tony Plohetski
@tplohetski
BREAKING: The director of DPS confirms that no efforts were made to rescue children because an on-scene commander believed that authorities were addressing a barricaded suspect, not an active shooter. "A decision was made...that there was time...to wait for a tactical team."
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So which one is it? The guy was shooting at cops outside the school or he had no guns? Or will there be yet another 3 or 4 excuses to CYA? You'd have thought that all of the useless cops would have gotten one coherent but still unbelievable story together in almost 24 hours.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 27, 2022 01:10 PM (WKPeU)

591 Emotionally you want them to save the kids, but in all reality letting them back in ends up worse, such as if they found kids, lead them out right by the shooter, and he mows them down.
Posted by: Rbastid

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The only reason the parents wanted to go in was because the cops weren't going in.

The cops are now confirming that. They let those darling little kids die. On purpose. Because the bad guy might shoot back.

The parents were at least willing to try.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 01:10 PM (C3taF)

592 584
Anyone else here have a Collapsible Baton?

They are illegal to own in my state, MA.

They are nice little tool, though.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at May 27, 2022 01:09 PM (+C1V+)

Probably illegal in the People's Republik of Kalifornia as well.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 27, 2022 01:10 PM (ynpvh)

593 He didn't show up immediately. He showed up after what, 40 minutes(due to travel or maybe needing to get that key) thanks to his wife calling?

In other words due to the timing and location of the attack, there weren't potential defenders in the immediate vicinity.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 01:08 PM (b2nrj)


I was agreeing with you. The guy who showed up was going his day. He had to use someone else's weapon.

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at May 27, 2022 01:10 PM (BtZA0)

594 remember, when guns are outlawed, Schumer will want to ban knives. Big ones, anyway. I think that idea was being pushed in England like 10 years ago.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at May 27, 2022 01:10 PM (Ynyl9)

595
Protect = active
Serve = passive

They're serving ham and eggs in the cafeteria.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 27, 2022 01:11 PM (BP3/z)

596 PSA: MidwayUSA has CCI Small Rifle Magnum Primers #450

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at May 27, 2022 01:11 PM (nByzo)

597 If cops were actually GOING IN it might make sense to control the parents.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 27, 2022 01:11 PM (1Ggkx)

598
I'd love to have a Stun Baton.

But...illegal.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at May 27, 2022 01:11 PM (+C1V+)

599 I still think this is the cover story, and the real reason they didn't go in was to avoid being Chauvined in case the shooter was black.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 27, 2022 12:24 PM (ZGrMX)


It's a school in a small town in Texas filled with Mexican Americans. They would not have given half a shit. Anyone who was worried about that is almost too stupid to breathe and shouldn't be a position more important than ticket taker at a gloryhole.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at May 27, 2022 01:11 PM (GYIa4)

600 But that was different once he was in that classroom. How did they learn about his location? How was he trapped there? Why did they do nothing? Why is "we didn't know where he was" an excuse anyway?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 27, 2022 01:06 PM (hsGnm)

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Maybe the first thing you might do is immediately identify where he was by, oh I don't know -- just spitballin' here -- seeking out & destroying?

Jeebus, if you can't bring yourself to do that for helpless little children, WTF would motivate you to act? /rhetorical and inhuman

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at May 27, 2022 01:11 PM (TZivQ)

601 Next shooting the parents are going to storm in because they now know the cops won't do shit.


Posted by: alexthechick

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Yep. You've got three minutes after I arrive for me to see you suiting up before my car is busting through the front doors.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 01:11 PM (C3taF)

602 576. Yes! Keep anyone from doing anything, he will run out of kids and/or bullets eventually!!! Brilliant!

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 27, 2022 01:11 PM (rBAkF)

603 595
Protect = active
Serve = passive

They're serving ham and eggs in the cafeteria.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 27, 2022 01:11 PM (BP3/z)

Maybe if enough donuts were thrown at the entry the school, the outcome would've been different...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 27, 2022 01:11 PM (ynpvh)

604 The door was supposed to be locked.
Teacher decided to prop open the door.
You might as well put out the welcome mat.

Posted by: redridinghood
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Hope he was one of the dead but I'm sure he wasn't.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 27, 2022 01:11 PM (WKPeU)

605 Bravery, heart and self sacrifice.

None of that was displayed by the perimeter pukes.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 27, 2022 01:11 PM (jvt6t)

606 But the degradation and idiocy of the country is something I can't get used to.

Neither can I. Most of us could feel the rumblings years ago but the rapid, visible implosion we are witnessing is really difficult to process.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 27, 2022 01:11 PM (Xrfse)

607 587

It’s reality though. Everyone,s all how could a bunch of Texans stands by and do nothing. Well cuz 2022 Texas isn’t the Texas of your imagination anymore.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at May 27, 2022 01:12 PM (OalnH)

608 Next shooting the parents are going to storm in because they now know the cops won't do shit.

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at May 27, 2022 01:08 PM (BtZA0)

We'll be ready.

Posted by: Merritt Garland at May 27, 2022 01:12 PM (SsEhE)

609
So which one is it? The guy was shooting at cops outside the school or he had no guns? Or will there be yet another 3 or 4 excuses to CYA? You'd have thought that all of the useless cops would have gotten one coherent but still unbelievable story together in almost 24 hours.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 27, 2022 01:10 PM (WKPeU)

Barricaded suspect doesn't mean unarmed, it means he hasn't started killing the "hostages". Like in a bank robbery, police aren't going to immediately bust in. It's very clearly the wrong protocol and it seems hard to make the case that they didn't know it was an active shooter situation.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 01:12 PM (b2nrj)

610 Anyone else here have a Collapsible Baton?

They are illegal to own in my state, MA.

They are nice little tool, though.
Posted by: Soothsayer
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Asp baton. Considered a concealed weapon here.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 27, 2022 01:12 PM (jZBWN)

611 I understand not wanting the parents to go in. But when you hear gunshots and the cops will not do anything other than "wait for a tactical team" any thinking person would say, that's going to be too late.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 01:12 PM (DcKNO)

612 You don't see firemen just letting everyone back in to a burning building to save family, cops can't do the same.
Posted by: Rbastid at May 27, 2022 01:03 PM (49WRT)


The difference is the firemen actually do their fucking jobs and go into the burning building.

Posted by: Chuck C at May 27, 2022 01:12 PM (hOAT3)

613
remember, when guns are outlawed, Schumer will want to ban knives. Big ones, anyway. I think that idea was being pushed in England like 10 years ago.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken


A lot of big knives were used in Rwanda.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 27, 2022 01:13 PM (63Dwl)

614 We are in the opening scenes of Mad Max I fear.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 27, 2022 01:13 PM (Fa9OY)

615 608 Next shooting the parents are going to storm in because they now know the cops won't do shit.

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at May 27, 2022 01:08 PM (BtZA0)

We'll be ready.

Posted by: Merritt Garland at May 27, 2022 01:12 PM (SsEhE)

Will be declared a hate crime against the police for not letting them handle the situation.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 27, 2022 01:13 PM (ynpvh)

616 Now I know what a Halligan Bar is. Looks like something everybody should have in their car trunk.

Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 01:13 PM (qpX6U)

617 Everybody's bailing out of the NRA convention in Houston because of the huge organized crowds outside screaming for blood.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 27, 2022 01:13 PM (KiBMU)

618
When every single nba player gives up their guns, all ALL of them plenty, then I'll think about it.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at May 27, 2022 01:13 PM (+C1V+)

619 Could be taken to mean "didn't know where he was within that room". As in his precise location, making it difficult and dangerous to approach. Which is true, but comes with the territory.

They must have known what room he was in, and they even knew the door was locked so it means at some point they tried the door.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 01:05 PM (b2nrj)


Watched the TX DPS News conference. It was two classrooms with a door in the wall between them, 110 and 112. Doors were locked from inside. I don't think they did jack shit with the outside windows. I heard reports citizens were pulling kids out of windows in other classrooms.

Posted by: rd at May 27, 2022 01:13 PM (Z32m1)

620 I remember a mass-shooting event in a town near where I live. It took place behind the post office, the one I visited everyday. The day after, I noticed the evidence flags placed where the police handgun casings were found. The criminal was firing his dad's M-1 Garand, and killed and wounded several people. Hundreds of pistol rounds were fired at him from less than 50 yards, the gunman took a round or two in the legs. The matter concluded when a former Marine charged the gunman while unarmed, and after taking a police bullet in the shoulder, he subdued the perp

Posted by: mrp at May 27, 2022 01:13 PM (6eRlp)

621 off sock

Posted by: jc at May 27, 2022 01:13 PM (N1WXz)

622 When the cops are letting kids die, fuck that and fuck them. Next shooting the parents are going to storm in because they now know the cops won't do shit.
Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at May 27, 2022 01:08 PM (BtZA0)

AT which point the cops start shooting the parents?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 27, 2022 01:09 PM (ynpvh)
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No, part of the storming parents it taking down the cops first. You either cuff the cops or they cuff you.

The lesson here is - Never Submit

Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone at May 27, 2022 01:13 PM (jyW7T)

623 Asp baton. Considered a concealed weapon here.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 27, 2022 01:12 PM


Asps. Very dangerous. You go first.

Posted by: Sallah at May 27, 2022 01:14 PM (hOAT3)

624 First 911 call came because he was shooting into a funeral home parking lot. It was clear from the start that he had murder in mind. He never should have made it into that school. This is Texas. Cannot understand why there weren't more people with guns close by.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 27, 2022 12:59 PM (Y+l9t)

reports are 80% hispanic in the town and 60 miles from the border. I wonder what percentage of th epopulation are not citizens, either legal or not, and how much that might play into gun ownership?

Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at May 27, 2022 01:14 PM (p03vF)

625 Next shooting the parents are going to storm in because they now know the cops won't do shit.

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at May 27, 2022 01:08 PM (BtZA0)

This

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 27, 2022 01:10 PM (iFTx/)

What sane parent wouldn't. Also consider homeschooling. Even the local church where our homeschool program is held has locked doors and no policy banning firearms. Bonus: no CRT or pedo-grooming.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at May 27, 2022 01:14 PM (nByzo)

626 All these conflicting stories are put out on purpose. Nobody knows or will ever know the truth. The narrative and focus is ban guns. So they muddy the waters to confuse people about everything else.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at May 27, 2022 01:14 PM (OalnH)

627 All the flashbangs stayed in their storage units, didn't they?

Boom boom boom, break the windows, shoot Sally. The end.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 01:14 PM (C3taF)

628 >>> I know it looks bad (the tasing really was) but they can't let parents go in

Your authority to stop a parent from rescuing their child ENDS when you are doing nothing meaningful to that end yourself. Parents have rights. The limited authority the police have to remove those rights is qualified on them "handling" the situation to the best overall benefit for all involved parties which was demonstrably not being done.

Posted by: mikethemoose at May 27, 2022 01:14 PM (z/ZJG)

629 FFS, Die Hard was not an instruction manual.

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 01:14 PM (SsEhE)

630 So . . . at what point does this entire ordeal get memory-holed? Let's see now: minority shooter, blazing red flags as to his murderous rage that were ignored, shocking cowardice and incompetence by local law enforcement and apparently the school itself, no anti-MAGA narrative to be found anywhere, and no dead blacks to deify.

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 27, 2022 01:14 PM (iFTx/)

631 LOOKS LIKE A MASSIVE FAILURE OF GOVERNMENT AT EVERY LEVEL.

Time to give the commander on the scene the Presidential Media of Freedom!

Posted by: George Tenet at May 27, 2022 01:14 PM (ESjRY)

632 >> Next shooting the parents are going to storm in because they now know the cops won't do shit.

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at May 27, 2022 01:08 PM (BtZA0)


The cops were actively restraining, throwing to the ground, and shooting with deterrents those parents that were trying to save their kids.

It is not accurate to say the cops weren't active. Oh, they were very active in setting a perimeter and preventing anyone from interfering with the event.

And again after it all reached completion they started beating and tasing the parents who made the mistake of approaching their own children.

Towards the appropriately assigned enemy, the cops were very very effective.

Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 01:14 PM (QzpS1)

633 Protesters are screaming outside the George R. Brown convention center where the NRA convention is being held.

Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2022 01:15 PM (NpAcC)

634 If the official strategy is, "let's wait until he's finished shooting and then we might pull our thumbs out of our asses" the the parents should not have been obstructed.

Once "government" fails so spectacularly when your children are in peril, law and order means nothing. It's primal. You do anything to protect your kid.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 27, 2022 01:15 PM (1Ggkx)

635 I think I will go clean and oil my tools to calm down.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 27, 2022 01:15 PM (WKPeU)

636 That's supposed to be standard when major crimes happen anywhere in the vicinity of a school. I doubt we'll find out what link in that chain failed.
Posted by: Sjg at May 27, 2022 01:06 PM (gDSJf)

this is one of those times when EVERY link in the chain failed.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 01:07 PM (trdmm)

These days, that is EVERY time the chain is tested.

Withdraw from Afganistan - Check
Parkland Shooting - Check

Posted by: Oldcat at May 27, 2022 01:15 PM (eoQWY)

637 First 911 call came because he was shooting into a funeral home parking lot. It was clear from the start that he had murder in mind. He never should have made it into that school. This is Texas. Cannot understand why there weren't more people with guns close by.

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I'm starting to suspect that Uvula is a real sh*thole where people shoot at each other on the street in front of the school fairly often.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 01:15 PM (C3taF)

638 A lot of big knives were used in Rwanda.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 27, 2022 01:13 PM (63Dwl)

We are third world. Machetes rule the wastelands.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at May 27, 2022 01:16 PM (nByzo)

639 534 Rbastid, you're correct that firemen don't let people run back into a fire to save family members. In this situation, if firemen behaved like the Uvalde cops did here, not only would they not let family members try to save others, the firemen themselves wouldn't go in even while people are inside screaming to be saved.

Posted by: Landofskybluewater at May 27, 2022 01:16 PM (Geoni)

640 617 Everybody's bailing out of the NRA convention in Houston because of the huge organized crowds outside screaming for blood.

Posted by: Mr Gaga
------------------

Another paid to play riot.

Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone at May 27, 2022 01:16 PM (jyW7T)

641 "Next shooting the parents are going to storm in because they now know the cops won't do shit."

Next time a crazy makes an online threat, that's the time for parents to find and kill him.

Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 01:16 PM (qpX6U)

642
Protesters are screaming outside the George R. Brown convention center where the NRA convention is being held.
Posted by: redridinghood


Heckler's veto working again.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 27, 2022 01:16 PM (63Dwl)

643 Now I know what a Halligan Bar is. Looks like something everybody should have in their car trunk.
Posted by: Flight Level

*

Search for demolition tool and you won't have to pay a premium.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 01:17 PM (C3taF)

644 Yep. You've got three minutes after I arrive for me to see you suiting up before my car is busting through the front doors.
Posted by: Moron Robbie


If he's actively killing people, fuck your gear. You have five seconds to start heading inside before I do.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 27, 2022 01:17 PM (c8pZY)

645 640 617 Everybody's bailing out of the NRA convention in Houston because of the huge organized crowds outside screaming for blood.

Posted by: Mr Gaga
------------------

Another paid to play riot.

Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone at May 27, 2022 01:16 PM (jyW7T)

Well, Texas, so It would be nice to see some of the douchebag "protesters" get a lead enema.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 27, 2022 01:17 PM (ynpvh)

646 Biden left well over 300,000 fully automatic rifles in Afghanistan when he bugged out.

They don't really care about these rifles, they care whether or not you have one.

Posted by: jc at May 27, 2022 01:17 PM (N1WXz)

647 Next shooting the parents are going to storm in because they now know the cops won't do shit.


Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at May 27, 2022 01:08 PM (BtZA0)


**smishes AtC**

The parents need to storm the cops first and take their guns. Otherwise, the parents will get their heads blown off.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 27, 2022 01:17 PM (2JVJo)

648 BREAKING: The director of DPS confirms that no efforts were made to rescue children because an on-scene commander believed that authorities were addressing a barricaded suspect, not an active shooter. "A decision was made...that there was time...to wait for a tactical team."
____________

A teacher in another classroom talked about hearing the shots and hearing the kids screaming. The cops there must have heard that too. They knew kids had been shot in that classroom. They could not know their condition. Some of them were on the floor bleeding out. To conclude that there was "time to wait" was both cowardly and stupid.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at May 27, 2022 01:17 PM (MvHI3)

649 Let's pass some bogus legislation so that law abiding citizens get screwed up the ass Obama style. The lawless don't care about the laws.They will continue on no matter what Schumer and those 50 stooges in the Senate pass...........

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at May 27, 2022 01:17 PM (YOc6/)

650 631 LOOKS LIKE A MASSIVE FAILURE OF GOVERNMENT AT EVERY LEVEL.

Posted by: George Tenet at May 27, 2022 01:14 PM (ESjRY)

Clearly we need MORE GOVERNMENT!

Posted by: Politicians at May 27, 2022 01:17 PM (oHd/0)

651 Teacher heard murder boy crash his grandma's truck in a culvert, and for some insane reason decided to prop a door open and leave it.

She or he will have to live with that forever.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 27, 2022 01:17 PM (ptqGC)

652 >>> I know it looks bad (the tasing really was) but they can't let parents go in

Your authority to stop a parent from rescuing their child ENDS when you are doing nothing meaningful to that end yourself. Parents have rights. The limited authority the police have to remove those rights is qualified on them "handling" the situation to the best overall benefit for all involved parties which was demonstrably not being done.

Posted by: mikethemoose at May 27, 2022 01:14 PM (z/ZJG)

Well said.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at May 27, 2022 01:17 PM (nByzo)

653
AT which point the cops start shooting the parents?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 27, 2022 01:09 PM (ynpvh)

You can bet yer sweet Aspercream.

Unless the parents have guns. Then they'll "set a perimeter and plan for entry."

Posted by: @TheRealWilliamHayes at May 27, 2022 01:17 PM (FIJ+3)

654
Do you want to know what it looks like when society depends on government bureaucrats to protect it from crime?

Here's what it looks like:

40 fuckin' Uvalde police officers staying outside and far away from the active-shooter psychopath murdering children inside a school.

- That's crime fighting by bureaucratic committee.
Over time, it will ALWAYS eventually devolve to this level of incompetence. It's the very nature of bureaucracy.

Posted by: Bach in Black at May 27, 2022 01:18 PM (7ubmG)

655 "I'm starting to suspect that Uvula is a real sh*thole where people shoot at each other on the street in front of the school fairly often."

48 Uvalde school lockdowns in one year, I read.

Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 01:18 PM (qpX6U)

656 653
AT which point the cops start shooting the parents?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 27, 2022 01:09 PM (ynpvh)

You can bet yer sweet Aspercream.

Unless the parents have guns. Then they'll "set a perimeter and plan for entry."

Posted by: @TheRealWilliamHayes at May 27, 2022 01:17 PM (FIJ+3)

Like the Russians in WW2: Have the guys in the back hold guns on the guys in the front and MAKE them go forward.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 27, 2022 01:18 PM (ynpvh)

657 Anyone else here have a Collapsible Baton?

Yeah, but mine doesn't work right. I keep hitting them waiting for the thing to collapse and it never does.

I think that attached claw thingee for removing nails may be impeding the collapsibility.

Posted by: They all look like nails to me at May 27, 2022 01:19 PM (cCxiu)

658 Another paid to play riot.

Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone at May 27, 2022 01:16 PM (jyW7T)
===

MOSTLY PEACEFUL PAID RIOT

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 27, 2022 01:19 PM (WKPeU)

659 Hey Schumer, you despicable sack of crap, why don't you go make that speech in Chicago...say tomorrow night about midnight.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 27, 2022 01:19 PM (anj39)

660 655 Posted by: MONSTER UNIVERSE MITT ROMNEY at May 27, 2022 01:18 PM (1IJnB)

You Dick!

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 27, 2022 01:19 PM (ynpvh)

661 Home School!

Posted by: rd at May 27, 2022 01:19 PM (Z32m1)

662 The Governor should have called up the Air National Guard and dropped a couple of MK82's on the school to end the hostage situation. Sounds good to me .............

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at May 27, 2022 01:19 PM (YOc6/)

663 The door was supposed to be locked.
Teacher decided to prop open the door.
You might as well put out the welcome mat.
Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2022 01:09 PM (NpAcC)

During the lockdowns I've experienced as a student, and not just the drills, staff were actively checking that every classroom was in fact locked. Were the people responsible for doing that cowering in fear as well? Did they at least use the intercom/bell/phones to communicate if they were too afraid to step outside themselves? Sounds to me like they had enough time to do so.

Seems like a bit of a cop out to be placing all the blame for a propped open door on one of the dead. Convenient for the inevitable lawsuits though.

Posted by: Sjg at May 27, 2022 01:19 PM (gDSJf)

664 *smishes MP4 back*

Posted by: alexthechick at May 27, 2022 01:19 PM (BtZA0)

665 563 Everyone saying this is Texas how could this happen? It’s more like Mexico if we’re being honest about it.
Posted by: Joe Xiden at May 27, 2022 01:06 PM (OalnH)

This too. A whole different type of mentality.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 27, 2022 01:19 PM (Qhnrt)

666 Posted by: MONSTER UNIVERSE MITT ROMNEY at May 27, 2022 01:18 PM (1IJnB)

You DICK!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 27, 2022 01:19 PM (2JVJo)

667 Biden left well over 300,000 fully automatic rifles in Afghanistan when he bugged out.

They don't really care about these rifles, they care whether or not you have one.
Posted by: jc

*

As an astute moron pointed out, the new (6.8?) ballistic requirements for military rifles isn't for performance overseas. It's to punch through body armor over here.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 01:19 PM (C3taF)

668 This is why you own guns and buy ammo.

Posted by: Weasel at May 27, 2022 01:20 PM (0IeYL)

669 When the cops are letting kids die, fuck that and fuck them.

Next shooting the parents are going to storm in because they now know the cops won't do shit.


Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at May 27, 2022 01:08 PM (BtZA0)
----------------
Exactly this. Mob justice is a centuries old way to resolve these things if the "authorities" won't act.

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at May 27, 2022 01:20 PM (ONpvq)

670 email from the Dems:

Earlier this week, a young man walked into an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas and opened fire, killing 19 innocent children and 2 teachers.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at May 27, 2022 01:20 PM (Ynyl9)

671 Another paid to play riot.

Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone at May 27, 2022 01:16 PM (jyW7T)

Absolutely. But the sponsors didn't anticipate the inaction of the police overtaking their gun control narrative.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at May 27, 2022 01:20 PM (wBpKf)

672 670 email from the Dems:

Earlier this week, a young man walked into an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas and opened fire, killing 19 innocent children and 2 teachers.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at May 27, 2022 01:20 PM (Ynyl9)

...and the police stood by and watched...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 27, 2022 01:20 PM (ynpvh)

673 Funny how a locked door usually isn't a problem when they are executing a no-knock search warrant on the wrong house at 3 am.
Posted by: Chuck C at May 27, 2022 12:11 PM (hOAT3)

A locked door present little issues with entry tools. Cops don't carry those around all the time, though an investigation ought to look at whether they were trying to bring in those tools in a timely fashion.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 12:14 PM (b2nrj)

Well why the hell not - its just a god damn crowbar.

Posted by: Oldcat at May 27, 2022 01:21 PM (eoQWY)

674 The door was supposed to be locked.
Teacher decided to prop open the door.
You might as well put out the welcome mat.

*

Every link in the chain that failed was a government employee.

Not a single gun owner is at fault for that murderer's actions. Dozens if not hundreds of government employees are, though.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 01:21 PM (C3taF)

675


noooooood



Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at May 27, 2022 01:21 PM (+C1V+)

676 I'm calling it right now.

Ellipses is right.

There is something else going on here. Biden and the defund the police crowd should be at the throats of these cops. The fact that they are in "wait and see" mode means something about this stinks.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 27, 2022 01:21 PM (5p7BC)

677 Both Remington (R.I.P.) and Mossberg have made door-breaching shotguns patterned after the "MasterKey" design.

Roughly speaking, about a fourteen inch barrel with a crenalated muzzle device (so it doesn't slide across a hard surface), pistol-grip (vs. full buttstock), and firing hard-alloy lead/tin slugs. It's made to place the muzzle directly in the crease of the door/frame interface, and blast the door's bolt out of the strike-plate in the door frame. One or two shots is usually sufficient. Alternatively, it can blast the door hinges, which is a sure but slower option, as there's more hinges than locks.

Pro-Tip. Any "sporting" 12 ga. can fire such slugs in this manner, but a full size shottie is merely clumsier in close quarters, but no less effective in use.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 27, 2022 01:21 PM (QzJWU)

678 665 563 Everyone saying this is Texas how could this happen? It’s more like Mexico if we’re being honest about it.
Posted by: Joe Xiden at May 27, 2022 01:06 PM (OalnH)

This too. A whole different type of mentality.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 27, 2022 01:19 PM (Qhnrt)

Uvalde is the kind of town where Spanish is spoken far more frequently than English. That's the border for ya.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 01:22 PM (trdmm)

679
A locked door present little issues with entry tools. Cops don't carry those around all the time, though an investigation ought to look at whether they were trying to bring in those tools in a timely fashion.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 12:14 PM (b2nrj)

Well why the hell not - its just a god damn crowbar.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 27, 2022 01:21 PM (eoQWY)

Same reason they do or don't carry around Narcan. People are prepared for things that have already happened.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 01:22 PM (b2nrj)

680 "That's why Leadership is so important; a true Leader has the ability to galvanize his units will and inspire them to do things they would never dare to do on their own. That's what this situation needed, and that's what was so sadly lacking."

Yup.

Posted by: RM at May 27, 2022 01:23 PM (U3LtS)

681 Thank you so much for the prayers, Bluebell. They are much appreciated! There is good news, our son is doing better, is employed and stable, and looking at having a real life again. We are blessed.

Posted by: Inisfree at May 27, 2022 01:24 PM (3g6r+)

682 Next shooting the parents are going to storm in because they now know the cops won't do shit.

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at May 27, 2022 01:08 PM (BtZA0)

AT which point the cops start shooting the parents?
Posted by: jim


Cops were there to cover the shooters flank while shooter killed.

...distinction w/o difference

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 27, 2022 01:24 PM (yb0E6)

683 Tucker Carlson got to the heart of the matter, why aren't we asking the right questions?

This kid was troubled. And everyone knew it. Why was nothing done? What's going on in society? We're drugging our kids with meds that make them crazier and suicidal, why? Kids are isolated and spend all their time with a computer instead of with people. They are not having relationships or being outdoors.

He said it all better than I could.
Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 12:08 PM (DcKNO)


Sounds EXACTLY LIKE NICHOLAS CRUZ!?!?!?

Remember the first reports about the shooter? He was teased about his clothes? He was a Transvestite of Transwomen wannabe? I saw the pictures at Western Rifle Shooters blog. I think it was more cross dressing than being a woman?

He dropped out of High School. So, I am sure the school washed their hands of his troubled life.

Posted by: rd at May 27, 2022 01:25 PM (Z32m1)

684 614 We are in the opening scenes of Mad Max I fear.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 27, 2022 01:13 PM (Fa9OY)

Yeah. That or the opening scenes from 'In the Mouth of Madness'.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 27, 2022 01:25 PM (XvPQV)

685 Same reason they do or don't carry around Narcan. People are prepared for things that have already happened.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 01:22 PM (b2nrj)

More likely they don't want police acting on initiative - then they might not attack civilians watching their kids die..

Posted by: Oldcat at May 27, 2022 01:26 PM (eoQWY)

686 Microsoft Office Professional 2021 for Windows/Mac: Lifetime License

$50

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professional-plus-2021-for-windows
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 12:36 PM (MCL0p)

Open Office: free

LibreOffice: free with each Linux install (free).

Fuck MS.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2022 01:27 PM (n8kBd)

687 594
Schumer won't get that far.
At best he'll get a piece of paper calling half of Americans criminals.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 27, 2022 01:29 PM (VNGpB)

688 Couldn't the principal order all doors locked?
Posted by: mr tmz

I worked at a school in my retirement job. After Sandy Hook, we updated our lockdown procedure. We had lockdown drills twice a month. The drill included, making sure every outside access door was locked. Blackout screens were put over every window. If the drill occurred during my working hours, I stayed in the hallways supposedly listening for someone trying to breech a doorway. I always carried a 4ft metal pipe I us re d as a cheater bar. We generally had lockdown status in under 4 minutes.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at May 27, 2022 01:29 PM (VTlqx)

689 Cop 1: "You think we should go in there?"
Cop 2: "Yeah. It's probably just a White Hispanic dude"
Cop 3: "No fucking way. What if it's one of the 13%-ers, and we actually shoot him? You want to go to prison for that shit?"


Cop 3 won the argument.

Posted by: Roy at May 27, 2022 01:30 PM (Ti+Tv)

690 LOOKS LIKE A MASSIVE FAILURE OF GOVERNMENT AT EVERY LEVEL.
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There is no problem so bad that the government can't make it worse.

Posted by: screaming in digital at May 27, 2022 01:30 PM (eNFcH)

691 >>>Teacher heard murder boy crash his grandma's truck in a culvert, and for some insane reason decided to prop a door open and leave it.

>Was this a designated smoking area? Shouldn't there be no smoking on campus? I remember when I was in school, all the designated emergency exit doors were locked from the outside and alarmed from the inside.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 27, 2022 01:31 PM (BP3/z)

692 691
Teachers may have done some things they ought not to have done but they are way down the list of who's culpable.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 27, 2022 01:33 PM (VNGpB)

693 If cops were actually GOING IN it might make sense to control the parents.

Posted by: Cicero


Other police forces were going in at that time.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 27, 2022 01:33 PM (lTGtQ)

694 Well, Texas, so It would be nice to see some of the douchebag "protesters" get a lead enema.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 27, 2022 01:17 PM (ynpvh)
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Houston, Austin's cousin, run by the Soros cartel.

Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone at May 27, 2022 01:35 PM (jyW7T)

695 The case that will be made that cops won't protect your kids, so you have to vote for us (and gun control).

Again, another perfectly timed election issue.

Posted by: Political McGuffin at May 27, 2022 01:36 PM (ksPoN)

696 Ulvade stinks of leadership failure. If there was someone truly leading, they would have stepped up and stated that the buck rests on their desk. Instead we have the PR dance. We are becoming a nation led by selfish cowards.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at May 27, 2022 01:36 PM (VTlqx)

697 Rbastid, you're correct that firemen don't let people run back into a fire to save family members. In this situation, if firemen behaved like the Uvalde cops did here, not only would they not let family members try to save others, the firemen themselves wouldn't go in even while people are inside screaming to be saved.

Posted by: Landofskybluewater at May 27, 2022 01:16 PM


But there are many times that happens, when they believe a building is unstable they don't go in and anyone in there is left to get out on their own, they don't go in to an unwinnable situation.

From what we're hearing it seems the highest ups made a decision, and these cops that were filmed were probably working from the idea that things were being done to get the kids out (or that he wasn't an active shooter)

There are going to be many people to blame, but those trying to keep others out of an unclear situation where there's a chance to be killed should be on the bottom of the list, those telling people to delay, that everything is fine and other shit like that (mostly higher ups who probably see themselves as the smart chief from a tv series) should be the ones getting the most heat

Posted by: Rbastid at May 27, 2022 01:36 PM (49WRT)

698 696 Ulvade stinks of leadership failure. ...
Posted by: Sock Monkey
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What's missing in this story is

The Texas Department of Public Safety, the DPS, all the one's you see wearing western style hats, were in charge they gave the orders.

These questions are for Governor Bud Abbott not Uvalde so much.

Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone at May 27, 2022 01:41 PM (jyW7T)

699 Do you want to know what it looks like when society depends on government bureaucrats to protect it from crime?

Here's what it looks like:

40 fuckin' Uvalde police officers staying outside and far away from the active-shooter psychopath murdering children inside a school.

- That's crime fighting by bureaucratic committee.
Over time, it will ALWAYS eventually devolve to this level of incompetence. It's the very nature of bureaucracy.
Posted by: Bach in Black at May 27, 2022 01:18 PM (7ubmG)


I'm stunned. How the Scene Commander made the calculus of *fvkc it* the kids are dead anyhow, and had his troops stooge around for almost an hour with their d!cks in their hands is beyond me.

We've known for decades the proper tactics on dealing with active shooters and setting up a perimeter is not it. The police could have been shooting-out the windows with bean-bag rounds to get that demon's attention while they breached the doors.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 27, 2022 01:43 PM (pJWtt)

700 Texas, like Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, etc., is being Californicated. And the result is plainly obvious to anyone that has lived here for many years, as I have.

Posted by: FriscoYoda at May 27, 2022 01:50 PM (S7une)

701 Posted by: Rbastid at May 27, 2022 01:36 PM (49WRT)

They maybe could've been given that benefit of the doubt 15 years ago. But there have been multiple high profile shootings in the past ten years where perimeters have been formed and nothing was done while victims were being actively murdered and slowly dying from their wounds.

It is entirely cowardice that resulted in scores of officers being satisfied with forming a perimeter against the parents while children were bleeding out.

Posted by: Sjg at May 27, 2022 01:55 PM (gDSJf)

702 Some random thoughts:

1) I've been in an active murderer interdiction class, taught by LEOs and ex-military/LEOs. While one can argue that an appropriate response *by an armed civilian* in such a situation is to seek the nearest exit, and get oneself and loved ones the hell out of the danger zone, the LEOs were unanimous that their duty is to run to the sound of the gunfire and STOP THE KILLING. As one of my instructors said, "I couldn't live with myself if I didn't."

2) This is a damn good argument for teachers' CCW or at least school resource LEOs, and HARDENING TARGETS. In this day and age, why would a school be unlocked during class hours??

3) This is also a damn good illustration of the brutal fact that the police aren't there to protect you 24/7, in fact CAN'T protect you 24/7. The first responder in situations like this is YOU. And I believe that the law pretty much absolves police from any liability if they don't protect you from harm. IOW, you're on your own.
And another strong argument for concealed carry and training in active killer situations.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at May 27, 2022 01:55 PM (bx+f8)

703 4 suicides after Jan. 6th.

That whole force should do the honorable thing.

Standing there in tac gear with automatics rifles...makes me want to puke.

Posted by: Ghost of Tom Lantos at May 27, 2022 02:02 PM (Z8Yh2)

704 and that fucker standing there with his taser out to taze parents. fuck him too

Posted by: Ghost of Tom Lantos at May 27, 2022 02:04 PM (Z8Yh2)

705 SCHUMER: “No amount of bloodshed seems to be enough for MAGA Republicans.”

Corrected: “No amount of total bullshit seems to be enough for SCHUMER.”

Posted by: Fritz at May 27, 2022 02:05 PM (dS5zT)

706 The cops were that bad at shooting? Okay, he had a rifle, they had only handguns at that point. Handguns are less accurate, generally speaking, than a rifle. But if several cops were shooting at him, you'd think at least a few slugs would have hit him.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 27, 2022 12:58 PM (txdEq)

Doesn't just about every cop car have a shotgun?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2022 02:06 PM (rl1ja)

707 What's missing in this story is

The Texas Department of Public Safety, the DPS, all the one's you see wearing western style hats, were in charge they gave the orders.

These questions are for Governor Bud Abbott not Uvalde so much.

Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone at May 27, 2022 01:41 PM

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I know I'm commenting on an old thread, but there are plenty of lampposts to go around. We don't need to split hairs on who's MOST at blame.

Posted by: 496 at May 27, 2022 02:06 PM (VJsqe)

708 I hear people asking "How can they live with themselves?"

Quite bluntly, I sincerely hope quite a few of them decide they cannot. Yeah, I said it.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 27, 2022 02:11 PM (M9XmQ)

709 America does not have a gun problem it has a cowardice problem as can be seen by all the Covid cowards still wearing masks

Posted by: Avi at May 27, 2022 02:14 PM (T4qa/)

710 I'm sure that they chase you down for parking tickets just not so much when it's actual work

Posted by: Chicago Vota at May 27, 2022 02:42 PM (ts6Zs)

711 I've had about enough slander directed at me from these Hate and Destroy America now democrats.

FU Chuck.

I pretty much wrote that in an email to him today. The democrats are pushing to provoke a response so they can implement some kind of final solution.

Posted by: Dantes at May 27, 2022 03:05 PM (fVKtH)

712 Maybe I'm harping but again I come back to (a) who was in command and (b) what were their orders? And (c) were there conflicting orders from "on high" (feds) about "wait for Border Patrol/special unit, and if so (d) was there pushback from local command to tell them: Bull. Shit --if they're not here in 1 minute we're going in.

And if it was so dangerous to go in (per their assessment) I'd expect the leader of the operation to go in with them.

I can't believe that most of this isn't a failure of leadership and command. That would still be unacceptable, but more believable than 19 cops standing around and not engaging, unless specifically (and stupidly) ordered not to do so.

Posted by: Zek at May 27, 2022 05:10 PM (lcQJG)

713 And a Border Patrol Agent ended it all with Tax Payers Relief Shot

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at May 27, 2022 06:16 PM (wGqjj)

714 democratic funded police dept.
democrat county.
think about it,

IT AINT ROCKET SCIENCE.

UVALDE POLICE WERE PAID TO STAND DOWN AS LONG AS POSSIBLE IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH THE HIGHEST BODY COUNT POSSIBLE.
THESE FUCKING BASTARDS ALL NEED TO BE EXECUTED, PUBLIC SHOULD BE ABLE TO WATCH. AND PARTICIPATE.
19 DEMOCRATIC POLICE OFFICERS FLAT OUT DID NOTHING BUT SIP COFFEE AND CHEW TOBACCO.
54 MINUTES PASSED BEFORE ANYTHING WAS DONE TO ENGAGE SHOOTER.

Posted by: JR at May 27, 2022 06:35 PM (zRdFd)

715 Well now,

Guess I can withdraw my question about West Texas LEO's pursuing gunboy cause they will never say.

Either way...Black Eye for the local LEO's...you are looking like SH*T on the world stage. If I were a parent that lost a child...yep... I would have a VERY hard time even looking at you.

And don't forget...in Texas...revenge is always a plate served HOT.

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Posted by: 5 at May 28, 2022 12:54 PM (aRWO1)

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