Cops Handcuffed Mother Who Was Trying to Enter School to Save Her Child, For "Interfering with an Active Investigation"

What was the investigation? Were they running a dead pool to see how many kids the maniac could kill before they did something about it?

Why do you need a gun? You have the police to protect you, don't you?

"The police were doing nothing," said Angeli Rose Gomez, who after learning about the shooting drove 40 miles to Robb Elementary School, where her children are in second and third grade. "They were just standing outside the fence. They weren't going in there or running anywhere."

State officials have said that local police were at the school within a few minutes of the gunman entering the building and exchanged gunfire with him, but they were unable to gain access to a classroom where he barricaded himself, firing on officers.

Ms. Gomez, a farm supervisor, said that she was one of numerous parents who began encouraging--first politely, and then with more urgency--police and other law enforcement to enter the school. After a few minutes, she said, federal marshals approached her and put her in handcuffs, telling her she was being arrested for intervening in an active investigation.

Ms. Gomez convinced local Uvalde police officers whom she knew to persuade the marshals to set her free. Around her, the scene was frantic. She said she saw a father tackled and thrown to the ground by police and a third pepper-sprayed. Once freed from her cuffs, Ms. Gomez made her distance from the crowd, jumped the school fence, and ran inside to grab her two children. She sprinted out of the school with them.

The police set up a perimeter to keep the crazed gunman trapped inside with the 7, 8, and 9 year old children.

Texas state trooper Juan Maldonado said he went to the school with a friend whose wife was one of the teachers slain in the shooting.

He said police were already on the scene, indicating a fast response time, and that it appeared they had set up a perimeter around the building.

Mr. Maldonado said he and the friend were able to enter the building to get students out and showed cuts on his forearms that he said were from breaking windows to assist in that effort.

"I don't want to critique anything; we're here to be supportive of the community," he said.

Unbelievable:

After the confrontation ended with Ramos dead, school buses began to arrive to transport students from the school, according to Ms. Gomez. She said she saw police use a Taser on a local father who approached the bus to collect his child.

"They didn't do that to the shooter, but they did that to us. That's how it felt," Ms. Gomez said.

Well at least the police all kept themselves safe. That's what really matters.

Update: Did the Uvalde cops go into the school to get their own children out while allowing the shooter to do what he wanted with the children he had inside the barricades?

Posted by: Ace at 03:57 PM




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1 Well at least the police all kept themselves safe. That's what really matters.

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They got home at the end of their shift. And their pensions are intact.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 26, 2022 03:58 PM (LvTSG)

2 I'm refraining from too much judgment until more is learned and confirmed. But things do not look good for LE.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at May 26, 2022 03:58 PM (sX1BW)

3 I'm grateful for what I learn here. Like, that "our democracy" is the new leftist buzz-word. Love ya, Horde.

Posted by: Texican ette at May 26, 2022 03:59 PM (0K95j)

4 Meh, this is SOP for school shooters. Wait until the brass shows up or get fired.

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 26, 2022 04:00 PM (0chEi)

5 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:00 PM (Zz0t1)

6 3 I'm grateful for what I learn here. Like, that "our democracy" is the new leftist buzz-word. Love ya, Horde.
Posted by: Texican ette at May 26, 2022 03:59 PM (0K95j)

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Variations of it have been used this way since at least Scott Walker's recall election.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 26, 2022 04:00 PM (LvTSG)

7 I want frontier justice.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 26, 2022 04:00 PM (MUCTL)

8 I didn't think this story could get any more horrific.
God help us.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at May 26, 2022 04:01 PM (qpukd)

9 I see many lawsuits in the future for these "cops".

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 26, 2022 04:01 PM (4q/mG)

10 Juan Maldonado: "I don't want to critique anything; we're here to be supportive of the community,"

Code of Silence. Got it.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 04:01 PM (N39Ws)

11 Whoever handcuffed her should go to jail.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 26, 2022 04:01 PM (bVYXr)

12 We sent a bunch of 18 year old boys to 'Stan and Iraq and expected them to be calm in the face of jihadis shooting at them...with severe penalties if they made a bad decision.

Here we have supposedly training cops letting a tranny spree killer have full rein of a school of kids - and the argument is "well don't want to take unnecessary risks!"

WTF.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 26, 2022 04:01 PM (ESjRY)

13 What incredible cowardice, incompetence, and megalomania.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 26, 2022 04:01 PM (WFO41)

14 I just asked on the last thread: What percentage of Uvalde LEO bodycams malfunctioned during the shooting? My guess is 100%.

Posted by: 496 at May 26, 2022 04:01 PM (VJsqe)

15 Apparently Jack Dorsey left the Twitter board. Elon naturally posted that news on Twitter as "Jack off the Twitter board!" which caused an avalanche of Jeffrey Toobin jokes.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 26, 2022 04:01 PM (ZGrMX)

16 Biggest, Most Heavily Armed Gang There Is.

Posted by: Oldstoke at May 26, 2022 04:02 PM (sb+Cg)

17 I'm not going to defend what happened outside the building, but from what I have heard, all of the killing happened within the first five minutes.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 26, 2022 04:02 PM (lTGtQ)

18 but they were unable to gain access to a classroom where he barricaded himself, firing on officers.

So I have a legitimate question, did this classroom have windows?, almost all do.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 26, 2022 04:02 PM (8GBH4)

19 So, putting you knee on a criminal will get you sent to FMitA prison, but letting a tranny spree killer run amok leads to...nothing.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 26, 2022 04:02 PM (ESjRY)

20 Texas DPD previously lied about a campus officer "engaging" before the shooter entering the school. The shooter went through the unlocked backdoor unobstructed.

Posted by: Fed Up at May 26, 2022 04:02 PM (iQGmF)

21 F*ck Tha Police!

Posted by: NWA at May 26, 2022 04:02 PM (Zz0t1)

22 I know the police have their S.O.P and Command and Control, blah, blah, blah but goddammit show some fucking initiative and get off your dead asses and act.

Time was of the essence and kids were being killed.

Shame, shame, shame...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 26, 2022 04:02 PM (VghRo)

23 This is when you fake a comm problem and do shit that needs doing. It will likely cost you you're pension in the police but in real combat it is done.

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 26, 2022 04:03 PM (0chEi)

24 The police set up a perimeter to keep the crazed gunman trapped inside with the 7, 8, and 9 year old children.

I guess they've never seen 24. Any time CTU set up a perimeter, it meant the bad guys were about to waltz right out and make a clean getaway.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 26, 2022 04:03 PM (ZGrMX)

25 A new level of hell needs to open up for all these fuckwits and soon.

Posted by: DropAndGiveMe20 at May 26, 2022 04:03 PM (NtRnw)

26 Woo boy. I'm not here to politicize anything, except the idiot gun grabbers already are, so.....

I think the message is going to be the EXACT opposite of what the gun grabbers think it will be. Law abiding citizens NEED to be armed, because the cops will not save your kids for you. Period. End of discussion.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 26, 2022 04:03 PM (47mFt)

27 Federal Marshals cuffed this lady?

Are those the Border Patrol Agents?

Posted by: Manco at May 26, 2022 04:03 PM (he2ZZ)

28 Sadly we have many examples of school shootings to learn from. The earliest lesson was from Columbine - and that is that you don't sit around and wait for the shooting to stop before going in.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 04:03 PM (N39Ws)

29 I want frontier justice.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 26, 2022 04:00 PM (MUCTL)



It worked better than this shit.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:03 PM (Zz0t1)

30 but they were unable to gain access to a classroom where he barricaded himself, firing on officers.


There is a video out of Ukraine where some Russian soldier is supposed to go into a locked building and he can't get through the front door. He tries shooting it, banging on it, etc.

And the world made fun of him for it.

And here we have 12 cops with all the resources and training America can provide and they can't figure out how to get into a locked building?!?

Posted by: 18-1 at May 26, 2022 04:03 PM (ESjRY)

31 I'm refraining from too much judgment until more is learned and confirmed. But things do not look good for LE.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at May 26, 2022 03:58 PM (sX1BW)

The cops own press conference today said it was nearly an hour before they went in. No. Fuck that. It has been doctrine for going on three decades now that you go in and confront.

These cops are cowards. Pure and fucking simple.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 26, 2022 04:03 PM (MUCTL)

32 How could you live with yourself if you stood there and let children be murdered while keeping anyone from helping them?

Posted by: huerfano at May 26, 2022 04:03 PM (MzKgG)

33 Where did the Feds come from?
Got there awfully quickly it seems.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 26, 2022 04:03 PM (anj39)

34 There is no forgiving such cowardice. The police have been losing support for such behavior since the Florida shooting, and this will drop it even further.

Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at May 26, 2022 04:04 PM (z/nZY)

35 17 I'm not going to defend what happened outside the building, but from what I have heard, all of the killing happened within the first five minutes.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 26, 2022 04:02 PM (lTGtQ)

No, all the shooting happened then. Gunshot wounds are almost never immediately lethal.

See how his old grandmom survived getting shot in the head with the same weapon used b/c she got immediate medical treatment.

Posted by: Nova local at May 26, 2022 04:04 PM (exHjb)

36 "The police were doing nothing," said Angeli Rose Gomez, who after learning about the shooting drove 40 miles to Robb Elementary School, where her children are in second and third grade. "They were just standing outside the fence. They weren't going in there or running anywhere."


She drove 40 MILES and the cops did NOTHING during that time.

The police are worthless. Fine. Defund them. I'll take my chances with my own protection.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:04 PM (Zz0t1)

37 Yo 911 is a joke!

Posted by: Shit Flavor Flav said at May 26, 2022 04:04 PM (ESjRY)

38 2 I'm refraining from too much judgment until more is learned and confirmed. But things do not look good for LE.
Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at May 26, 2022 03:58 PM (sX1BW)

Yep. 72-Hour Rule applies in all cases. I forget that sometimes, but it's a good rule.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 26, 2022 04:04 PM (P6Mid)

39 9 I see many lawsuits in the future for these "cops".

Cops can't be sued. They have immunity.

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at May 26, 2022 04:04 PM (J3dd4)

40 Cue Frank Drebin, telling the crowd that there's nothing to see and to disperse.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at May 26, 2022 04:04 PM (TNyrE)

41 We need the Sheriff of Red Rock!

Posted by: Mongo, pawn in the game of life at May 26, 2022 04:05 PM (WFO41)

42 DOX. HIS. ASS.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at May 26, 2022 04:05 PM (0mUYx)

43 What incredible cowardice, incompetence, and megalomania.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt


Equal to the Coward of Broward County.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 04:05 PM (oEoZw)

44 23 This is when you fake a comm problem and do shit that needs doing. It will likely cost you you're pension in the police but in real combat it is done.
Posted by: Puddinhead at May 26, 2022 04:03 PM (0chEi)

Probably you will go home afterwards, but maybe not. But one thing an officer who suffers a "comms problem" won't have bear is the sound of the screams and cries of the victims while he stands around doing nothing.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 04:05 PM (N39Ws)

45 9 I see many lawsuits in the future for these "cops".

Posted by: Scuba_Dude
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Reportedly, Texas has strong sovereign immunity protecting local and state cops and the school district and due to Scotus decisions, that would carry over to federal court suits on these. Dunno if feds did anything wrong unlike what happened in Florida Stoneman shootings.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 04:05 PM (Iq9dF)

46 I don't want to hear another goddamned word about the size of the balls of Texas law enforcement.

What is that they say down there? All hat, no cattle?

Posted by: Defenestratus at May 26, 2022 04:05 PM (D8n6S)

47 passive cops may take some bad press but they don' t go to prison for life

Posted by: REDACTED at May 26, 2022 04:05 PM (us2H3)

48 I need a drink.

Posted by: Squid at May 26, 2022 04:05 PM (xtjw3)

49 I think the message is going to be the EXACT opposite of what the gun grabbers think it will be. Law abiding citizens NEED to be armed, because the cops will not save your kids for you. Period. End of discussion.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 26, 2022 04:03 PM (47mFt)

My thoughts exactly.

Posted by: InCali at May 26, 2022 04:05 PM (9Cdln)

50 Honest question here:

How many lives of innocent kids does it take before keeping the pension no longer matters, huh? 5? 10?

It's clearly higher than 19 for these assholes.

Posted by: Oldstoke at May 26, 2022 04:05 PM (sb+Cg)

51 Meanwhile Mitch urges uniparty-proclaimed "bipartisan" gun reform.

Posted by: turnout man at May 26, 2022 04:05 PM (wx6iv)

52 The important thing is the cops went home safe to their families... and to collect their huge early pensions.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 04:06 PM (iDcra)

53 The police set up a perimeter to keep the crazed gunman trapped inside with the 7, 8, and 9 year old children.

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Hoo boy.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:06 PM (DcKNO)

54 These shootings will keep happening for two reasons and gun control has nothing to do with it. As long as insane people are roaming free and not confined to psychiatric hospitals they will continue to do insane things to everyone else.

The second thing is gun free zones. I don't know if it contributed in this case but it tells the crazies they will not be stopped.

I believe that schools where the rich and powerful send their kids are protected by heavily armed guards. They virtue signal with other people's children's lives.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at May 26, 2022 04:06 PM (Uaoku)

55 The cars say "...to PROTECT and SERVE."

They didn't protect SHIT and served only themselves.

They should be fucking embarrassed, then fired.

Where they're not 'obligated' to put themselves in harms way, their JOB is to ENGAGE the assailant and PROTECT the PEOPLE.

They didn't. They failed. They're bad at their jobs.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:06 PM (Zz0t1)

56 By 2030 you will have no children, and you will like it.

"Everything Within the State, Nothing Against the State, Nothing Outside the State."

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at May 26, 2022 04:06 PM (qaUpj)

57 Unbelievable that children were being slaughtered and they just stood around holding their dicks.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 26, 2022 04:06 PM (nxdel)

58 BurtTC gets it. These "mass shootings", especially when the police can't or won't do anything, make the 2A a fucking Holy Grail.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at May 26, 2022 04:06 PM (QZ/dC)

59
The Pension is sacred.

The lives of children are secondary to The Pension.

Posted by: Voter theater. at May 26, 2022 04:06 PM (FCPbW)

60 Yep. 72-Hour Rule applies in all cases. I forget that sometimes, but it's a good rule.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 26, 2022 04:04 PM (P6Mid)

I think with the decline in the quality of reporting I've seen, we might need add a few more hours.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 26, 2022 04:06 PM (UuD2k)

61 Just what Uvalde needs:

@ChadPergram - 8m

WH: On Sunday, May 29, the President and the First Lady will travel to Uvalde, Texas to grieve with the community that lost twenty-one lives in the horrific elementary school shooting.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:06 PM (ptqGC)

62 Props to this Mom who talked her way out of cuffs and then jumped a fence and snuck in to the school (through the "perimeter"?) and got her kids. As a father of three elementary school aged kids, I can't imagine what these people were going through waiting in front of that school. It makes me physically ill.

Posted by: Milquetoast mortgage-paying neighbor in flyover country at May 26, 2022 04:06 PM (psG+F)

63 How was Ramos actually killed?

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:06 PM (DcKNO)

64 Second look at defunding the police?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 26, 2022 04:07 PM (GDRdq)

65 all of the killing happened within the first five minutes.
Posted by: Thomas Paine
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They were shot in the first five minutes.

The rest of the time, the children slowly bled out.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 26, 2022 04:07 PM (pOvNt)

66 The cops can't be sued? Well that sucks. Of course the town itself can be. Can't it?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 26, 2022 04:07 PM (4q/mG)

67 The cops own press conference today said it was nearly an hour before they went in.

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I hadn't heard that, and it goes against other previous reports. Obviously, if that is true, it is a complete fail. As you say, anything short of the first guy went in immediately is a fail.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at May 26, 2022 04:07 PM (sX1BW)

68 They didn't. They failed. They're bad at their jobs.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:06 PM (Zz0t1)

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Worse, they're bad at their lives.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at May 26, 2022 04:08 PM (qaUpj)

69 I have sympathy with cops not wanting to throw themselves into danger actively. They're human.

My problem is the surprising anti-gun attitude that is prevalent in cops at the same time.

They don't want to throw themselves into danger while, at the same time, want to limit the populace's ability to act in their own defense. That's a bad combination.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 26, 2022 04:08 PM (LvTSG)

70 President* Potato Brain:

I want you parents in Uvalde to know I understand your grief. I lost my son Beau in a school shooting, and later in a combat operation in Iraq when he was shot bravely sitting at his desk.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:08 PM (ptqGC)

71 Where did the Feds come from?
Got there awfully quickly it seems.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 26, 2022 04:03 PM (anj39)
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The FIBs would have been there sooner with more manpower if there was a garage pull at the school.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 04:08 PM (iDcra)

72 The cops say that they can't protect you from crime, only show up later to catch the criminal but I didn't think they meant it this literally.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2022 04:08 PM (KZzsI)

73 Now that the police are all college educated socialists, we'll be fine.

Posted by: klaftern at May 26, 2022 04:08 PM (taPSh)

74 It makes me physically ill.
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I have two granddaughters in the same group.

I feel the same way.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 26, 2022 04:08 PM (pOvNt)

75 Dare those assholes to prosecute her.

No jury will convict her. And she'll become a hero, and probably a rich hero, in the process (as millions of Americans donate to her defense fund).

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at May 26, 2022 04:08 PM (MvHI3)

76 Marge:
I thought you said the law was powerless.

Chief Wiggum:
Powerless to *help* you, not punish you.

Posted by: The Simpsons at May 26, 2022 04:08 PM (ESjRY)

77 The police set up a perimeter to keep the crazed gunman trapped inside with the 7, 8, and 9 year old children.

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Hoo boy.
Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:06 PM (DcKNO)

That is one helluva sentence, isn't it?

Posted by: BurtTC at May 26, 2022 04:08 PM (47mFt)

78 61 Just what Uvalde needs:

@ChadPergram - 8m

WH: On Sunday, May 29, the President and the First Lady will travel to Uvalde, Texas to grieve with the community that lost twenty-one lives in the horrific elementary school shooting.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:06 PM (ptqGC)

Meanwhile Buffalo still awaits their presidential visit.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 04:08 PM (N39Ws)

79 69 I have sympathy with cops not wanting to throw themselves into danger actively. They're human.

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Oh for FS, don't be a cop if that's the case.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:08 PM (DcKNO)

80 @ChadPergram - 8m

WH: On Sunday, May 29, the President and the First Lady will travel to Uvalde, Texas to grieve with the community that lost twenty-one lives in the horrific elementary school shooting.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:06 PM (ptqGC)
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What's the over/under on how many times Biden mentions Beau.

Posted by: WisRich at May 26, 2022 04:08 PM (G0vdT)

81 As I have said before, the first report is always wrong. That is why Biden coming out with his comments to the nation was such bullshit. Way too soon for that except to say words of prayer and support. But he couldn't do that.
It will be yet a few more days before we the public get the condensed verson of what happened.
Meanwhile...
If I was wearing a badge within 20 miles of this town, I'd be selling tomorrow and moving.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 26, 2022 04:09 PM (anj39)

82 Back the blue baby. real tough guys with law abiding citizens. Total cowards with lawbreakers

Posted by: John Tax Roberts at May 26, 2022 04:09 PM (YTBIQ)

83 Can't wait to see Joe pronounce Uvalde.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at May 26, 2022 04:09 PM (QZ/dC)

84 The cops serve and protect - their jobs and pensions.



Posted by: Archer at May 26, 2022 04:09 PM (gmo/4)

85 After a few minutes, she said, federal marshals approached her and put her in handcuffs, telling her she was being arrested for intervening in an active investigation.

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Don't miss this.

What are the odds that this tiny little town in the middle of nowhere would have multiple federal marshalls on site during a school shooting?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Black family survived slavery but not welfare at May 26, 2022 04:09 PM (R92o9)

86 9 I see many lawsuits in the future for these "cops".


The courts will grant them immunity. There's never any personal price paid.

Posted by: biggierat at May 26, 2022 04:09 PM (K4VFT)

87 >>> That's how it felt," Ms. Gomez said


No, that's how it was. Leftists take their feelings, assert they manifest reality, and then use that fantasy to harm others. What Ms. Gomez said was in fact reality which generated feelings.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 26, 2022 04:09 PM (0fVbu)

88 Meanwhile Buffalo still awaits their presidential visit.

Blacks still love Biden. He's got a lot of trouble with LatinXXXes, so of course he's pouring all his attention on Uvalde.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 26, 2022 04:10 PM (ZGrMX)

89 Reportedly, Texas has strong sovereign immunity protecting local and state cops and the school district and due to Scotus decisions, that would carry over to federal court suits on these. Dunno if feds did anything wrong unlike what happened in Florida Stoneman shootings.
Posted by: whig


I wonder if strong, sovereign immunity stops a bullet? If one of those parents were to take a shot, I'd be inclined to no-bill or nullify.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 04:10 PM (oEoZw)

90 It gets more infuriating.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 26, 2022 04:10 PM (ma+lu)

91 Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Black family survived slavery but not welfare at May 26, 2022 04:09 PM (R92o9)
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Considering the town's proximity to the border, not too surprising.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 26, 2022 04:10 PM (pOvNt)

92 What are the odds that this tiny little town in the middle of nowhere would have multiple federal marshalls on site during a school shooting?

Posted by: Moron Robbie




It is a major illegal alien dumping ground.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 26, 2022 04:10 PM (lTGtQ)

93 I have sympathy with cops not wanting to throw themselves into danger actively. They're human.


We sent a bunch of 18 year old boys to fight jihadis overseas, with strict ROEs, and they did it.

If you are a cop you should perform at least as well in the face of danger.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 26, 2022 04:10 PM (ESjRY)

94 74 It makes me physically ill.
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I have two granddaughters in the same group.

I feel the same way.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 26, 2022 04:08 PM (pOvNt)

I have grandchildren of that age Fen. A slaughter of innocents. Unmitigated demonic evil as far as I am concerned.

Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 04:10 PM (Vr12I)

95 What are the odds that this tiny little town in the middle of nowhere would have multiple federal marshalls on site during a school shooting?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Black family survived slavery but not welfare at May 26, 2022 04:09 PM (R92o9)

I've read that this town is a thoroughfare for illegals coming across the border and all of the criminal activity that entails.
Wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that they're around.

Posted by: Defenestratus at May 26, 2022 04:10 PM (D8n6S)

96 What are the odds that this tiny little town in the middle of nowhere would have multiple federal marshalls on site during a school shooting?

Another point in favor of "it's an op".

Posted by: Ian S. at May 26, 2022 04:10 PM (ZGrMX)

97 What's the over/under on how many times Biden mentions Beau.

Posted by: WisRich at May 26, 2022 04:08 PM (G0vdT)

I'm going with three.

Also, this will be the closest Joey has EVER been to the Texas border in his entire grifting career.

I hope "doctor" Jill doesn't attempt to speak Spanish again. Cringe.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:11 PM (ptqGC)

98 back the blue

thank you for your service

Posted by: brak at May 26, 2022 04:11 PM (j5Tg0)

99 80
What's the over/under on how many times Biden mentions Beau.
Posted by: WisRich at May 26, 2022 04:08 PM (G0vdT)

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have ourselves the next Horde drinking game.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 04:11 PM (N39Ws)

100 WH: On Sunday, May 29, the President and the First Lady will travel to Uvalde, Texas to grieve with the community that lost twenty-one lives in the horrific elementary school shooting.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:06 PM (ptqGC)

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I hope DOCTOR Jill Biden doubles FJB's standard dosage of depressants. I don't think this will be a good place to conduct is typical rant and scream rhetoric.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at May 26, 2022 04:11 PM (TNyrE)

101 Legal vehicles to undermine the overapplication of immunity to government agents have to start somewhere.

It could be a case against these cops.

Worth the effort to try.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 26, 2022 04:11 PM (LvTSG)

102 Don't miss this.

What are the odds that this tiny little town in the middle of nowhere would have multiple federal marshalls on site during a school shooting?
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I don't live there but somebody said there's more feds in that town that people Hotels full of em. Its a border hotspot for transit,narco,slavery.

Posted by: its pretty simple at May 26, 2022 04:11 PM (xdUDK)

103 Remember, parents are terrorists and the state owns their children. Get with the program, this ain't Virginia!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 26, 2022 04:11 PM (BP3/z)

104

Don't miss this.

What are the odds that this tiny little town in the middle of nowhere would have multiple federal marshalls on site during a school shooting?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Black family survived slavery but not welfare at May 26, 2022 04:09 PM (R92o9)



This is a good question.

Where's the fed office in San Antonio and how long did it take them to get the Uvalde?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:11 PM (Zz0t1)

105 Seriously, how many kids lives are worth the risk of having to defend yourself in court? How many boats, cottages, cabins, and years of early retirement are those kids' lives worth?

Posted by: Oldstoke at May 26, 2022 04:11 PM (sb+Cg)

106 The LEOs were very brave protecting the shooter from those terrorist parents.

Posted by: Regular joe at May 26, 2022 04:11 PM (nnp+f)

107 WH: On Sunday, May 29, the President and the First Lady will travel to Uvalde, Texas to grieve with the community that lost twenty-one lives in the horrific elementary school shooting.
Posted by: Jane D'oh


20 lives. 19 students and their teacher. Fuck even mentioning the shooter.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 04:11 PM (oEoZw)

108 Reportedly, Texas has strong sovereign immunity protecting local and state cops and the school district and due to Scotus decisions, that would carry over to federal court suits on these. Dunno if feds did anything wrong unlike what happened in Florida Stoneman shootings.

I don't know what the cops' governmental immunity looks like in these circumstances, but the school is bulletproof under Texas law. Only thing public schools are on the hook for in Texas is motor-vehicle-related negligence. If the bus driver negligently runs over your kid in the parking lot, you may get to collect. If the school was negligent in a way that contributed to someone, even a school employee, killing your kid, you get to go fuck yourself.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 26, 2022 04:11 PM (ppBhU)

109 Another point in favor of "it's an op".

The tranny shooter's TikTok name was "TheBiggestOpp"...how crazy is that?

Posted by: 18-1 at May 26, 2022 04:11 PM (ESjRY)

110 They knew there was only one shooter.

I don't get the waiting part.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:12 PM (DcKNO)

111 I'm willing to repeat this from the last thread.

Each and every single one of the officers that stood outside the school and did nothing, or worse, prevented parents from going in there, needs to have their families dragged out of their homes and shot in front of them.

Fuck them.

Posted by: GMan at May 26, 2022 04:12 PM (GfWuY)

112 Who said Barry couldn't do shit? Destroyed race relations, destroyed public's law enforcement perception, gave us paste eater. Kruschev could only dream this idiot.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at May 26, 2022 04:12 PM (QZ/dC)

113 It’s all broken. Laid bare for all to see.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 26, 2022 04:12 PM (ma+lu)

114 I think some people in the police department lost their jobs when they camped outside the Stoneman High School shooting, so its not exactly true that there isn't any price. Its probably not a sufficient price, but there is one.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2022 04:12 PM (KZzsI)

115 UK's Guardian has decent coverage of details in Uvalde as the statements by authorities evolve.
https://tinyurl.com/2p8aen8s

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 04:12 PM (Iq9dF)

116 83 Can't wait to see Joe pronounce Uvalde.
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at May 26, 2022 04:09 PM (QZ/dC)


Uv - Uv - Uvula - you know, the THING! Fat!!!

Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 04:12 PM (Vr12I)

117 What happened to "run to the sound of the guns"?

Posted by: biggierat at May 26, 2022 04:12 PM (K4VFT)

118
I hope "doctor" Jill doesn't attempt to speak Spanish again. Cringe.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:11 PM (ptqGC)



"SEE SOUTH PADRE!!!"

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:12 PM (Zz0t1)

119 109 Another point in favor of "it's an op".

The tranny shooter's TikTok name was "TheBiggestOpp"...how crazy is that?
Posted by: 18-1 at May 26, 2022 04:11 PM (ESjRY)

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Is this a good time to talk about the Las Vegas shooting that we still know nothing about?

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:12 PM (DcKNO)

120 Am I alone in wondering why we haven't had any mass school shootings by middle-school aged girls? That's a really mean demographic. I know, because I was bullied horribly at that age.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:13 PM (ptqGC)

121 Actually surprises me that biden is going. I guess its because of bad guns or color of victims skin.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 26, 2022 04:13 PM (8GBH4)

122 The next time a school shooter pops up, every parent should rush to the school armed to the teeth.

Then tell all the cops to get lost, we’ll take it from here.

Posted by: weew at May 26, 2022 04:13 PM (EaEMG)

123 UK's Guardian has decent coverage of details in Uvalde as the statements by authorities evolve.
https://tinyurl.com/2p8aen8s
Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 04:12 PM (Iq9dF)



Better coverage than any AMERICAN major news outlet.......FFS.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:13 PM (Zz0t1)

124 115 UK's Guardian has decent coverage of details in Uvalde as the statements by authorities evolve.
https://tinyurl.com/2p8aen8s
Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 04:12 PM (Iq9dF)

Ug. I hate the Guardian. But time after time, the reporting in the UK press is more informative than the US. It's a disgrace.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 26, 2022 04:13 PM (UuD2k)

125 They don't want to throw themselves into danger while, at the same time, want to limit the populace's ability to act in their own defense. That's a bad combination.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 26, 2022 04:08 PM (LvTSG)

Is it true they're pro gun-control? Googling it, this website Police1 has 91 percent saying an "assault weapons" ban would have no effect or a negative effect on reducing violent crime.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 04:13 PM (b2nrj)

126 122 The next time a school shooter pops up, every parent should rush to the school armed to the teeth.

Then tell all the cops to get lost, we’ll take it from here.
Posted by: weew at May 26, 2022 04:13 PM (EaEMG)

=======

Then it turns into a shootout between the parents and the cops. Should be interesting.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 26, 2022 04:14 PM (LvTSG)

127 Walker Texas Ranger would have just walked in there and beat the shit out of that punk.

Posted by: fd at May 26, 2022 04:14 PM (vrz2I)

128 So federal marshalls had time to arrive, get briefed on the situation, become part of the chain of command, and arrest parents, BEFORE the cops bothered to go in to try and save the kids?

I guess we can go with that, but I don't know if it will be better.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Black family survived slavery but not welfare at May 26, 2022 04:14 PM (R92o9)

129 After a few minutes, she said, federal marshals approached her and put her in handcuffs, telling her she was being arrested for intervening in an active investigation.
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I did notice at least one of the cops standing there had a long gun and body armor on in the photo.

I dunno how you do that. I mean at this point after the Florida thing were they held the perimeter. Its just not tenable anymore to figure its a hostage situation. Its a mass execution until proven otherwise. Go in shooting immediately. Perimeter my ass.

Posted by: its pretty simple at May 26, 2022 04:14 PM (TGUne)

130 I used to own a spanish restaurant in Uvalium

the greasers and the wetbacks seemed to enjoy the torpedos

Posted by: BRANDON at May 26, 2022 04:14 PM (us2H3)

131 Do any of you know how the shooter was actually killed?

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:14 PM (DcKNO)

132 96 What are the odds that this tiny little town in the middle of nowhere would have multiple federal marshalls on site during a school shooting?

Another point in favor of "it's an op".
Posted by: Ian S. at May 26, 2022 04:10 PM (ZGrMX)

Can't say for sure, but I know for a fact that Uvalde is an armed camp. Which even pisses me off more, over this.

Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 04:14 PM (Vr12I)

133 so if these worthless asshole cops had a fucking perimeter...how in the actual fuck did that momma, after gett8ng rid of the hand cuffs, violate the perimeter to rescue her kids?

I want heads on pikes for this nonsense

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at May 26, 2022 04:14 PM (UgAdJ)

134 I don't get the waiting part.

The only think I can think of is that they were afraid that if they went in, shooting would go even worse and possibly end up with a hostage situation. That's the best I can come up with.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2022 04:14 PM (KZzsI)

135 Handcuffing a parent is just awful.

I do know a friend of a friend who's house was on fire and she wanted to run into the house to save her dogs. It took 2 firemen to restrain her and tackled her to the ground. Unfortunately, her dogs died in the fire.

Posted by: redridinghood at May 26, 2022 04:15 PM (NpAcC)

136 131 Do any of you know how the shooter was actually killed?

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:14 PM (DcKNO)

One Border Patrol agent.

Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 04:15 PM (Vr12I)

137 I think I saw it was 2 Teachers that died.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 26, 2022 04:15 PM (8GBH4)

138 39 9 I see many lawsuits in the future for these "cops".

Cops can't be sued. They have immunity.
Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at May 26, 2022 04:04 PM (J3dd4)
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I need to get me some of that.

Posted by: Weasel at May 26, 2022 04:15 PM (0IeYL)

139 I hope "doctor" Jill doesn't attempt to speak Spanish again. Cringe.
Posted by: Jane D'oh


Como te llamas?
Mi nombre es Peggy Hill.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 04:15 PM (oEoZw)

140 Do any of you know how the shooter was actually killed?

Posted by: Seems Legit

i'm not ruling out boredom, or possible broken neck from eye rolls

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at May 26, 2022 04:15 PM (UgAdJ)

141 Do any of you know how the shooter was actually killed?

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:14 PM (DcKNO)



Crushed by shelving.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:15 PM (Zz0t1)

142 WH: On Sunday, May 29, the President and the First Lady will travel to Uvalde, Texas to grieve with the community that lost twenty-one lives in the horrific elementary school shooting.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:06 PM (ptqGC)


Not only the over/under on sponge brain mentioning Beau. We need the over/under on you don't need an AR-15 to shoot a deer rant.

Posted by: Archer at May 26, 2022 04:15 PM (gmo/4)

143 Cowards, the lot of them.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 26, 2022 04:15 PM (X9a7i)

144 Fortunately there was a donut shop nearby and the officers were able to keep their blood sugar levels in the diabetic range while the children were being murdered.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 26, 2022 04:15 PM (OK0YZ)

145 WH: On Sunday, May 29, the President and the First Lady will travel to Uvalde, Texas to grieve with the community that lost twenty-one lives in the horrific elementary school shooting.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:06 PM (ptqGC)


I guess the handlers in the WH think this will be a great photo op. Personally, given his national address, I think it is grotesque.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 26, 2022 04:16 PM (anj39)

146 Pffft… if the cops are so scared of one kid with a rifle then a mob of armed parents looking to save their kids should be horrifying

Posted by: weew at May 26, 2022 04:16 PM (EaEMG)

147 Posted by: MONSTER UNIVERSE MITT ROMNEY at May 26, 2022 04:15 PM (1IJnB)


You DICK!!!!

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at May 26, 2022 04:16 PM (Zz0t1)

148 I've read that this town is a thoroughfare for illegals coming across the border and all of the criminal activity that entails.
Wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that they're around.
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 26, 2022 04:10 PM (D8n6S)

I believe there's a BP Area HQ there.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at May 26, 2022 04:16 PM (906pl)

149 Even if the kids were shot right at the beginning, how many died of their wounds in that hour that went by before the "SWAT" team arrived, wounds that may have not been fatal if treated early?

If this had been a serious fire, do you think firemen would have sat around waiting for better equipped units before going in to save kids? Never.

Posted by: Ciampino at May 26, 2022 04:16 PM (qfLjt)

150 The father who got tased for trying to pick up his own child? Lawyer up, baby. It's on.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 26, 2022 04:16 PM (txdEq)

151 Uvalde is a staging area for transporting illegals wherever they want to go. Lots of BP agents around there and probably some live there.

Posted by: huerfano at May 26, 2022 04:16 PM (MzKgG)

152 What did that one border patrol agent do that several cops couldn't?

Do you get what I'm trying to figure out?

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:16 PM (DcKNO)

153 UK's Guardian has decent coverage of details in Uvalde as the statements by authorities evolve.
https://tinyurl.com/2p8aen8s
Posted by: whig

**

Is there a term for when your system of voting is compromised and participating no longer matters and you have to look outside of your country for news about what's happening in your nation?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Black family survived slavery but not welfare at May 26, 2022 04:16 PM (R92o9)

154 It was over 20 years ago that cops learned, as a result of Columbine massacre, that you can't wait outside -- that you must go in to not only stop the shooter (s) asap, but to prevent unnecessary death from delayed care to the wounded.

So...wtf happened in Uvalde? They would not have had to restrain parents if they had not decided to wait outside. Seriously incompetent police response. God bless the BPA who went in.

Posted by: Lizzy's phone at May 26, 2022 04:16 PM (+UAeM)

155 The next time a school shooter pops up, every parent should rush to the school armed to the teeth.

Then tell all the cops to get lost, we’ll take it from here.
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You got volunteer fire dept. Time for school militia.

PTA agenda item. Rapid Response parent volunteers. Long guns and body armor required. Code red respond to school and enter, locate shooter. Not actually a joke.

Posted by: its pretty simple at May 26, 2022 04:16 PM (A3PWw)

156 Truth bomb from MUMR.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 26, 2022 04:17 PM (ma+lu)

157 Don't step outside the barricade. This is government property and business.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 26, 2022 04:17 PM (yJ2hI)

158 I bang on about this now and again, but seriously, why the hell are the functions of writing speeding tickets and subduing violent lunatics rolled into the same office?

Why the hell are cops even expected to do this sort of thing? There ought to be an entirely different organization in charge of crisis response like this, something more akin to the National Guard with SWAT powers than anything law enforcement. You can have your investigations and evidence gathering after the fact, once John Q Jackoff is subdued and or dead. That is what police should be used for.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2022 04:17 PM (6FeV1)

159 Not only the over/under on sponge brain mentioning Beau. We need the over/under on you don't need an AR-15 to shoot a deer rant.

Posted by: Archer at May 26, 2022 04:15 PM (gmo/4)

I hope he gets loudly booed on both topics.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:17 PM (ptqGC)

160 The only think I can think of is that they were afraid that if they went in, shooting would go even worse and possibly end up with a hostage situation. That's the best I can come up with.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor


If you hear gunfire, hostage situation no longer matters. He's killing the hostages.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 04:17 PM (oEoZw)

161 They got their own kids out and left others to die? That is an entire police department that needs to resign.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 26, 2022 04:17 PM (53XkA)

162 I dunno how you do that. I mean at this point after the Florida thing were they held the perimeter. Its just not tenable anymore to figure its a hostage situation. Its a mass execution until proven otherwise. Go in shooting immediately. Perimeter my ass.

Posted by: its pretty simple at May 26, 2022 04:14 PM (TGUne)
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I thought that after Columbine the police SOP was not to wait but go in ASAP.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 04:17 PM (iDcra)

163 Am I alone in wondering why we haven't had any mass school shootings by middle-school aged girls?

Because girls don't pick up a gun when they want to hurt someone, they pick up soul-destroying sarcasm and treatment of others. Women destroy the psyche and the soul, men destroy the body.

One of these is illegal and discouraged.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2022 04:17 PM (KZzsI)

164 What are the odds that this tiny little town in the middle of nowhere would have multiple federal marshalls on site during a school shooting?

Uvalde is right in the border mess including drug cartels and human trafficking so lots of feds

Posted by: brak at May 26, 2022 04:17 PM (j5Tg0)

165 133 so if these worthless asshole cops had a fucking perimeter...how in the actual fuck did that momma, after gett8ng rid of the hand cuffs, violate the perimeter to rescue her kids?

I want heads on pikes for this nonsense
Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at May 26, 2022 04:14 PM (UgAdJ)

The perimeter probably wasn't the whole school but focused on the area with the shooter. Since she got her kids got out alive unmolested, the shooter seems to have been in another classroom.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 04:17 PM (b2nrj)

166 The cops at VA Tech went in after the scumbag.

Are they the ONLY ones who've done that in the past 20 years??

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 26, 2022 04:17 PM (llON8)

167 This is what happens when you kill off the native warrior stock through never ending wars since WWI.
Ruled by gammas everywhere.

Posted by: Heavy Squats at May 26, 2022 04:17 PM (qGrQ0)

168 It is quite sickening

Posted by: Skip at May 26, 2022 04:17 PM (2JoB8)

169 How many kids bled out while the cops waited for SWAT?

Posted by: rd at May 26, 2022 04:18 PM (Z32m1)

170 If true, then it is like other school shootings that went bad. Perimeter are worthless in a school shooting, it is like closing the gate after the fox is already in the hen house.

The proper protocol for school shootings should be to enter the building and engage the threat asap.

If it was 40 min to an hour like reported, then it was too long. That does not sound like asap to me.

Posted by: William Eaton at May 26, 2022 04:18 PM (4q33O)

171 I hope "doctor" Jill doesn't attempt to speak Spanish again. Cringe.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
*
Como te llamas?
Mi nombre es Peggy Hill.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022


***
"Dawn-day ess-tah lah bann-yo?"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 26, 2022 04:18 PM (txdEq)

172 WH: On Sunday, May 29, the President and the First Lady will travel to Uvalde, Texas to grieve with the community that lost twenty-one lives in the horrific elementary school shooting.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:06 PM (ptqGC)

What are the odds Dying Brain's presence will be helpful.?

Posted by: Northernlurker, surgite at May 26, 2022 04:18 PM (eGTCV)

173 Can't wait to see Joe pronounce Uvalde.
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at May 26, 2022 04:09 PM


See Say Pwadway!

Posted by: DOCTOR Jill Biden at May 26, 2022 04:18 PM (RkC6l)

174 I thought the police response was bad. But holy shit. A mom was able to drive 40 miles, get arrested, be released, climb a fence and get ber own kid out before the cops did anything.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 26, 2022 04:18 PM (53XkA)

175 If you hear gunfire, hostage situation no longer matters. He's killing the hostages.

While I agree, I am guessing they figured "if we go in, then he'll take hostages" but even if that happened... he stopped shooting right? This whole "wait 'til he's out of ammo" approach is horrible and wrong.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2022 04:18 PM (KZzsI)

176 But, yeah, back the blue. They're the real heroes here.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 26, 2022 04:18 PM (Tz92h)

177 Even if the kids were shot right at the beginning, how many died of their wounds in that hour that went by before the "SWAT" team arrived, wounds that may have not been fatal if treated early?

**

Benghazi rules.

They didn't think they'd get there in time.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Black family survived slavery but not welfare at May 26, 2022 04:18 PM (R92o9)

178 The sound of "Blue Lives Matter" bumper stickers being scraped off...faint at first, but they'll be as scarce as "Come And Take It" stickers in a couple of weeks.

Posted by: Erik In Texas at May 26, 2022 04:18 PM (7ghVm)

179 I have relatives in Uvalde. They never go anywhere unarmed. Foolish to do so.

Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 04:18 PM (Vr12I)

180 The shooter died of old age.

Posted by: klaftern at May 26, 2022 04:19 PM (taPSh)

181 Uvalde is off the preferred track from Acuna and Piedras Negras into Texas, it's why the BP houses people there - used to be calm.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at May 26, 2022 04:19 PM (QZ/dC)

182 I live in a similar size town, there's 50 cops here, about 30 more then they need. If I had to bet, I would say all 50 of them as just as big as cowards as those Uvalde cops. They wouldn't risk their lives for anyone.

Posted by: lowandslow at May 26, 2022 04:19 PM (qH6FZ)

183 YES drummer Alan White est mort.

The band had just announced a few days ago he wouldn't be joining them on their upcoming tour.

RIP.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 26, 2022 04:19 PM (HsAzN)

184 See Say Pwadway!
Posted by: DOCTOR Jill Biden


"Jor pronunciation is so goood!"
--Hilaria Baldwin

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2022 04:19 PM (KZzsI)

185 Truth bomb from MUMR.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 26, 2022 04:17 PM


This is becoming a disturbing trend.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 26, 2022 04:19 PM (RkC6l)

186 Back the blue, right folks? Same clowns who lay out the red carpet for BLM terrorists and crack skulls on the people who would voice their disagreement.

Posted by: Anotheranon at May 26, 2022 04:19 PM (8Ze5j)

187 Speculating that the shooter already offed xerself or was out of ammo when they unlocked the door.

Hope I'm wrong...

Posted by: Crouching Chigger at May 26, 2022 04:19 PM (aknQX)

188 Why the hell are cops even expected to do this sort of thing? There ought to be an entirely different organization in charge of crisis response like this, something more akin to the National Guard with SWAT powers than anything law enforcement. You can have your investigations and evidence gathering after the fact, once John Q Jackoff is subdued and or dead. That is what police should be used for.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2022 04:17 PM (6FeV1)

Departments do usually sort of divide into different groups. They don't send meter maids for homicide cases, and if they are big and can afford it, they've got a team dedicated to complicated highly dangerous situations.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 04:19 PM (b2nrj)

189 They got their own kids out and left others to die? That is an entire police department that needs to resign.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 26, 2022 04:17 PM (53XkA)

*types*
*deletes*

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 26, 2022 04:19 PM (ma+lu)

190 >>> As I have said before, the first report is always wrong. That is why Biden coming out with his comments to the nation was such bullshit. Way too soon for that except to say words of prayer and support. But he couldn't do that.
It will be yet a few more days before we the public get the condensed verson of what happened.
Meanwhile...
Posted by: Diogenes at May 26, 2022 04:09 PM (anj39)


None of that matters to the left. The only thing that matters is that based on well known human psychology we tend to hold in our minds the things that are most temporarily adjacent with an event. So Beta trying to get his worthless mug in and biden propped up the night of was done to hammer leftist talking points.

The left doesn't care about anything but gathering power and protecting what they've got. And they can't be expected to even do that in an ordered civil way because recent history has shown them they can do whatever they wish and still come out on top.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 26, 2022 04:19 PM (0fVbu)

191 It appears that a lot of the confusion about what went on arises from police misstatements. As in CYA misstatements. Like Parkland.

Posted by: 29Victor at May 26, 2022 04:19 PM (BJKQV)

192 101 Legal vehicles to undermine the overapplication of immunity to government agents have to start somewhere.

It could be a case against these cops.

Worth the effort to try.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Due to the 11th Amendment and Rehnquist era court decisions, it would be difficult if not impossible to sue these cops (see Morrison v. US) even if Congress granted jurisdiction in a law such as VAWA and retro application could apply. Plenary policing power resides with the states and as bear asb mentions, Texas has a strong version of sovereign immunity.

In the Stoneman case, the FBI got sued over its botching of a credible tip and the district got sued for misbehavior due to its procedures. Both settled. I would have to look up the complaints to see what those suits entailed as far as claims because the courts never addressed those cases due to settlements.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 04:19 PM (Iq9dF)

193 It's becoming obvious that this mass shooting was planned in advance. Senator Mark Gifford gave the order for the police to stand down so as to maximize the number of children killed.

Posted by: Ken at May 26, 2022 04:19 PM (nOMhL)

194 WH: On Sunday, May 29, the President and the First Lady will travel to Uvalde, Texas to grieve with the community that lost twenty-one lives in the horrific elementary school shooting.

Shithead will probably give Beta O'Rourke some mic time.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at May 26, 2022 04:19 PM (Bd6X8)

195 121 Actually surprises me that biden is going. I guess its because of bad guns or color of victims skin.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 26, 2022 04:13 PM (8GBH4)

This will be the closest anyone in his administration has been to the border (another disaster).

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 04:20 PM (N39Ws)

196
What are the odds Dying Brain's presence will be helpful.?

Posted by: Northernlurker, surgite at May 26, 2022 04:18 PM (eGTCV)

About as helpful as Princess Sparkle flying in via private jet and laying flowers at the memorial. Made sure to have photographers handy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:20 PM (ptqGC)

197 20 lives. 19 students and their teacher. Fuck even mentioning the shooter.


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Just another f*cking racist who doesn't care about high school kids killed by guns.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Black family survived slavery but not welfare at May 26, 2022 04:20 PM (R92o9)

198 PublicEmployeeUnions gonna PublicEmployeeUnion.

Posted by: Anotheranon at May 26, 2022 04:20 PM (8Ze5j)

199 WH: On Sunday, May 29, the President and the First Lady will travel to Uvalde, Texas to grieve with the community that lost twenty-one lives in the horrific elementary school shooting.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:06 PM (ptqGC)


So THIS is what it takes to get this asshole down to the border?
This country is SO fucked.

Posted by: Shooter McGavin at May 26, 2022 04:20 PM (BqXLt)

200 Just another f*cking racist who doesn't care about high school kids killed by guns.

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Dammit, I left out "hispanic"

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Black family survived slavery but not welfare at May 26, 2022 04:20 PM (R92o9)

201 Words fail me at the utter incompetence of the officers who allowed or perpetrated this.

Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at May 26, 2022 04:20 PM (qZdIZ)

202 188 Speculating that the shooter already offed xerself or was out of ammo when they unlocked the door.

Hope I'm wrong...
Posted by: Crouching Chigger at May 26, 2022 04:19 PM (aknQX)

I think it's known that a border patrol agent got the shooter.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 04:20 PM (b2nrj)

203 I hadn't heard that, and it goes against other previous reports. Obviously, if that is true, it is a complete fail. As you say, anything short of the first guy went in immediately is a fail.
Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at May 26, 2022 04:07 PM (sX1BW)


They did go in immediately. The shooter barricaded himself in a classroom and it took them an hour to get in. Other reports suggest that it took so long to find someone who had keys to the door.

If the school was built anytime in the near past, it probably was built to withstand a school shooter, which ironically turned the classroom into a bunker once he was inside.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 26, 2022 04:21 PM (wmDcS)

204 Back the blue baby. real tough guys with law abiding citizens. Total cowards with lawbreakers
Posted by: John Tax Roberts at May 26, 2022 04:09 PM (YTBIQ)

Concur. If your not willing to catch a bullet to protect lives of others, especially children, then you have no business being a cop.

Shame, shame, shame...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 26, 2022 04:21 PM (VghRo)

205 My problem is the surprising anti-gun attitude that is prevalent in cops at the same time.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 26, 2022 04:08 PM (LvTSG)

This is part of the problem with modern American policing. They have been detached from the people they are sworn to protect. They want all of the power, and cannot abide anyone else having it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 04:21 PM (XIJ/X)

206 Some guy from Depeche Mode is mort

Posted by: Mark1971 at May 26, 2022 04:21 PM (xPl2J)

207 Oh, broken brain Biden will grieve with the families in Uvalde?

Really all how well he did with the families of the Benghazi victims, or the ones who lost their sons in the horrid helicopter attacked as it took off to save the SEALS in Afghanistan. ..

He will say something really thoughtless and inappropriate.

Posted by: Lizzy's phone at May 26, 2022 04:21 PM (+UAeM)

208 174 I thought the police response was bad. But holy shit. A mom was able to drive 40 miles, get arrested, be released, climb a fence and get ber own kid out before the cops did anything.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 26, 2022 04:18 PM (53XkA)

Perfect, and awful, summary!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 26, 2022 04:21 PM (GDRdq)

209 I hope "doctor" Jill doesn't attempt to speak Spanish again. Cringe.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
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Como te llamas?
Mi nombre es Peggy Hill.
Posted by: rickb223

"Dawn-day ess-tah lah bann-yo?"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

No mas pantalones

Posted by: Archer at May 26, 2022 04:21 PM (gmo/4)

210 185 Truth bomb from MUMR.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 26, 2022 04:17 PM

This is becoming a disturbing trend.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 26, 2022 04:19 PM (RkC6l)

Nothing wrong with the content right now. But - perma ban, auto ban is forever.

Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 04:22 PM (Vr12I)

211 Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 26, 2022 04:17 PM (53XkA)

And their pensions revoked.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 26, 2022 04:22 PM (jNnu4)

212 I think it's known that a border patrol agent got the shooter.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 04:20 PM (b2nrj)

Yes. Fox showed the baseball cap he wore that has a bullet hole rip in the crown. Guy was nearly shot in the head, but did what he was supposed, and trained, to do.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:22 PM (ptqGC)

213 Sorry to repeat, but why did one border patrol agent kill the shooter when several cops could not?

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:22 PM (DcKNO)

214 Andy Fletcher of Depeche Mode and Alan White of Yes

Now there's going to be a third one...

Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 26, 2022 04:22 PM (HsAzN)

215 Also, why was the damn door unlocked?
Hope we don't find out the killer had some sort of key since his grandmother worked there till 2020.

Posted by: redridinghood at May 26, 2022 04:22 PM (NpAcC)

216 I want heads on pikes for this nonsense
Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at May 26, 2022 04:14 PM


You want heads on pikes.

You'd settle for ended careers and jail sentences.

You'll get nothing and like it.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 26, 2022 04:22 PM (RkC6l)

217 Nothing wrong with the content right now. But - perma ban, auto ban is forever.
Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 04:22 PM (Vr12I)

We still see it, and then it's erased. Leaving no evidence.

If anything, you've made him into a super troll.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 26, 2022 04:23 PM (UuD2k)

218 They wouldn't risk their lives for anyone.

Posted by: lowandslow at May 26, 2022 04:19 PM (qH6FZ)

But they sure are brave when they pull over some mom who is late picking up her kids!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 04:23 PM (XIJ/X)

219 Also, why was the damn door unlocked?

Because people are lazy and stupid.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 26, 2022 04:23 PM (wmDcS)

220 What's the over/under on how many times Biden mentions Beau.
Posted by: WisRich

My money's on "deer with kevlar vests."

Posted by: abbynormal at May 26, 2022 04:23 PM (Ly/95)

221 Welp, if he hasn't already done so, Wheels Abbott needs to tell someone in the Texas Rangers or some other state agency that it is his job to find out what the hell happened and make it public ASAP. Along with preliminary recommendations for corrective actions to be taken in all Texas law enforcement departments and school districts. ASAP as in by noon tomorrow. Fail to meet that deadline and you're fired with no pension.

Posted by: Get on it, Wheels at May 26, 2022 04:23 PM (qhIbO)

222 Speculating that the shooter already offed xerself or was out of ammo when they unlocked the door.

Hope I'm wrong...
Posted by: Crouching Chigger at May 26, 2022 04:19 PM (aknQX)



This still boggles my mind. They have battering rams all over the place in the PD.

They waited for a fucking key. As CHILDREN were dying.

They suck.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:23 PM (Zz0t1)

223 Other reports suggest that it took so long to find someone who had keys to the door.

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Windows everywhere, and batons and body armor to handle the glass in the frames. Or drive a damn patrol car through the front door.

"I need a key for the door, guys!"

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Black family survived slavery but not welfare at May 26, 2022 04:24 PM (R92o9)

224 I don't know what happened exactly, but what I do know is the Gov't wants us unarmed and wants a federal police force... so anything that makes locals or gunowners bad I look at with a jaundice eye.

Posted by: Inogame at May 26, 2022 04:24 PM (53oGX)

225 we used to go to Acuna some when I was a kid in the 60's

knda fun

Posted by: REDACTED at May 26, 2022 04:24 PM (us2H3)

226 212 I think it's known that a border patrol agent got the shooter.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 04:20 PM (b2nrj)

Yes. Fox showed the baseball cap he wore that has a bullet hole rip in the crown. Guy was nearly shot in the head, but did what he was supposed, and trained, to do.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:22 PM (ptqGC)

One brave guy worth more than 50+ stand arounds.

Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 04:24 PM (Vr12I)

227 Holy crap.

Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2022 04:24 PM (14URa)

228 My money's on "deer with kevlar vests."
Posted by: abbynormal at May 26, 2022 04:23 PM (Ly/95)

Anyone got a tranq gun? I would love to fit some dear with Kevlar vests just to shut him up.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 26, 2022 04:24 PM (UuD2k)

229 think it's known that a border patrol agent got the shooter.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 04:20 PM (b2nrj)

Yes. Fox showed the baseball cap he wore that has a bullet hole rip in the crown. Guy was nearly shot in the head, but did what he was supposed, and trained, to do.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:22 PM (ptqGC)
*******
Yeah, they reported he's got staples in his head.

Posted by: redridinghood at May 26, 2022 04:24 PM (NpAcC)

230 To continue TJM,
One of the issues involved with suing individual cops in their capacity as sworn law enforcement agents is that generally speaking--the courts have repeatedly refused to make cops or their departments responsible for failure to perform law enforcement duties unless the person is in custody (then 8th Amendment applies as basis and relevant congressional laws allowing prisoner lawsuits to commence.). Never particularly studied whether any state dared to assert a duty to protect individuals outside of custody but never heard of such either. See the DeShaney case and Castle Rock case for explanation.

Generally speaking, duties exist as to see to no harm comes to specific individuals in custody but otherwise no duty to the general public. This is also true of individuals outside of required reporting in a civil sense, they have no duty generally to come to the aid of others.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 04:24 PM (Iq9dF)

231 This still boggles my mind. They have battering rams all over the place in the PD.

They waited for a fucking key. As CHILDREN were dying.

They suck.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:23 PM (Zz0t1)

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Yeah, I don't get this. How did the border patrol agent who killed the shooter get in?

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:24 PM (DcKNO)

232 Also, why was the damn door unlocked?
Hope we don't find out the killer had some sort of key since his grandmother worked there till 2020.

Posted by: redridinghood at May 26, 2022 04:22 PM (NpAcC)

Apparently the entire school campus was unlocked, and there was no resource officer at the school. This, after they'd had active shooter exercises.

Boggles the mind.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:25 PM (ptqGC)

233 213 Sorry to repeat, but why did one border patrol agent kill the shooter when several cops could not?
Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:22 PM (DcKNO)

It's not precisely clear but it seems either the circumstances meant that going in meant no cover and busting in from the front (he nearly got shot in the head) or that and the door was locked from the inside(unclear then how he managed to open it).

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 04:25 PM (b2nrj)

234 orry to repeat, but why did one border patrol agent kill the shooter when several cops could not?

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I'm guessing it's because the border patrol agent didn't have a supervisor on site.

I'm not saying that jokingly.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Black family survived slavery but not welfare at May 26, 2022 04:25 PM (R92o9)

235 Hi Peaches!

Posted by: fd at May 26, 2022 04:25 PM (vrz2I)

236 It appears that a lot of the confusion about what went on arises from police misstatements. As in CYA misstatements. Like Parkland.

Posted by: 29Victor at May 26, 2022 04:19 PM (BJKQV)
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I will assume the worst of the po-po as it seams to be the most common story and most believable. There was/is tons of CYA here which indicates that the police royally fucked up.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 04:25 PM (iDcra)

237 Look out Oingo Boingo, the Razor Boy is out and about!

Posted by: klaftern at May 26, 2022 04:25 PM (taPSh)

238 One brave guy worth more than 50+ stand arounds.
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It was ever thus.

Posted by: Horatio at the bridge at May 26, 2022 04:25 PM (RG7EL)

239 175 If you hear gunfire, hostage situation no longer matters. He's killing the hostages.

While I agree, I am guessing they figured "if we go in, then he'll take hostages" but even if that happened... he stopped shooting right? This whole "wait 'til he's out of ammo" approach is horrible and wrong.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2022 04:18 PM (KZzsI)

Anything that can be done to distract the shooter - even if it get the shooter to send rounds in your direction -- are rounds that aren't going into someone's child.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 04:25 PM (N39Ws)

240 >>> Andy Fletcher of Depeche Mode

Now there's going to be a third one...
Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 26, 2022 04:22 PM (HsAzN)


Almost there...

Posted by: KMFDM at May 26, 2022 04:25 PM (0fVbu)

241 Someone on Twitter today said we could have used the money we sent to Ukraine and fortified every school in the US , including hiring armed guards.

Posted by: abbynormal at May 26, 2022 04:25 PM (Ly/95)

242 Ms. Gomez, a farm supervisor...

That's all I need to know to know she's probably in the right. Salt of the Earth.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 26, 2022 04:25 PM (HsAzN)

243 Yeah, I don't get this. How did the border patrol agent who killed the shooter get in?

Posted by: Seems Legit
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Supposedly they found a school employee with a key and they unlocked the door. That has been one of the claims.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 04:25 PM (Iq9dF)

244 Man, has law enforcement taken a beating the last few years.

I said so earlier. I am risk averse and would not willingly go into a gun fight. But had I been armed and near, I would have gone into that school.
Because those kids faces would have haunted me otherwise.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 26, 2022 04:26 PM (VNGpB)

245 Y'all remember those two fat Texas deputies next to their armored car going to arrest a bar owner for violating COVID restrictions.

https://tinyurl.com/5n73escj

Those are more of the heroic thin blue line guys.

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at May 26, 2022 04:26 PM (J3dd4)

246 orry to repeat, but why did one border patrol agent kill the shooter when several cops could not?

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I'm guessing it's because the border patrol agent didn't have a supervisor on site.
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Wouldn't be suprised at all. Also wouldn't be surprised if his/her kid were in the school. He got a text message. Hopped in his car and got there in time to snuff the creep.

Posted by: Horatio at the bridge at May 26, 2022 04:27 PM (yRnrW)

247 The only thing I keep wondering - as a civilian - is, if they could get all the others out the windows, why couldn't they shoot this guy through the window?

Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2022 04:27 PM (14URa)

248 This country really has driven out sacrifice hasnt it?

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 26, 2022 04:27 PM (jNnu4)

249 There ought to be an entirely different organization in charge of crisis response like this, something more akin to the National Guard with SWAT powers than anything law enforcement.

Dogpiling bad idea of the thread incoming.

Posted by: DaveA at May 26, 2022 04:27 PM (FhXTo)

250 Jesus, what a clusterfuck.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 26, 2022 04:27 PM (VwHCD)

251 213 Sorry to repeat, but why did one border patrol agent kill the shooter when several cops could not?
Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:22 PM (DcKNO)

BP never got the memo, apparently.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 26, 2022 04:27 PM (6FeV1)

252 224 I don't know what happened exactly, but what I do know is the Gov't wants us unarmed and wants a federal police force... so anything that makes locals or gunowners bad I look at with a jaundice eye.
Posted by: Inogame at May 26, 2022 04:24 PM (53oGX)

Federal police force? Name an agency that doesn't have one already? Dept of Education does. So too the IRS, Dept of Energy, Postal Service, etc.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 04:27 PM (N39Ws)

253 AOC wanted to abolish the border patrol and ICE.

Posted by: redridinghood at May 26, 2022 04:27 PM (NpAcC)

254 I will forever remember the anguished cries of those poor mothers begging the police to save their babies.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:28 PM (ptqGC)

255 166 The cops at VA Tech went in after the scumbag.

Are they the ONLY ones who've done that in the past 20 years??
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 26, 2022 04:17 PM (llON

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We don't remember them. The bad guy was put down and maybe one or two people got killed at most. We remember the bad ones because the cops decided to set up a perimeter and not engage the bad guy.

Posted by: William Eaton at May 26, 2022 04:28 PM (4q33O)

256 The only thing that will stop this is several headlines saying, "Attempted School Shooter Killed by Security".

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 26, 2022 04:28 PM (Y5qcH)

257 If you don't think we need more gun control to stop school shootings you are Putin's stooge.

Posted by: Ripley at May 26, 2022 04:28 PM (MxEKc)

258 Apparently the entire school campus was unlocked, and there was no resource officer at the school. This, after they'd had active shooter exercises.

Boggles the mind.


heads need to roll relating to the campus being unlocked. that's not policy at all

it's typical for districts to only have a few resource officers, and they usually only stop by the elementary schools once or twice a day, or a week depending on the district. They stay at the high schools

Posted by: brak at May 26, 2022 04:28 PM (j5Tg0)

259 247 The only thing I keep wondering - as a civilian - is, if they could get all the others out the windows, why couldn't they shoot this guy through the window?
Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2022 04:27 PM (14URa)

Different classrooms I believe. Not following in very close detail but I don't think civilians were getting people out of the classroom the shooter was in.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 04:28 PM (b2nrj)

260 Peaches!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:28 PM (ptqGC)

261 Just wondering why they couldn't have sniped Ramos through the classroom window?

Posted by: FriscoYoda at May 26, 2022 04:28 PM (S7une)

262 "No no......ASIAN...DAWN! Dee. Ayy. DUBYA. ENN"

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:28 PM (Zz0t1)

263 so anything that makes locals or gunowners bad I look at with a jaundice eye.

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The only bunch that looks bad is government employees at every level. Government employees dropped the ball with dealing with the shooter (no charges for domestic violence and shooting people with a BB gun, both of which would have prevented the gun purchase), government employees left the door to the school open, government employees couldn't shoot Sally and then decided not to pursue him into the school once they couldn't see him any longer, etc.

No gun owner looks bad. Only government employees.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Black family survived slavery but not welfare at May 26, 2022 04:28 PM (R92o9)

264 Meh, this is SOP for school shooters. Wait until the brass shows up or get fired.

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 26, 2022 04:00 PM (0chEi)

The only brass they should be worrying about is what they pick up after it's over, and perp dead.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 26, 2022 04:28 PM (7bRMQ)

265 Shameful

Posted by: Darth Larry at May 26, 2022 04:29 PM (geLO8)

266 This country really has driven out sacrifice hasnt it?
Posted by: thathalfrican
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Not completely.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 26, 2022 04:29 PM (pOvNt)

267 A difference between me, and them - we need MORE damned guns, not less.

Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 04:29 PM (Vr12I)

268 Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at May 26, 2022 04:26 PM (J3dd4)

The COVID shit really turned my stomach WRT LEOs. At best they are a neutral force, at worst.....well I’m sure we don’t need any reminding for the summer of love or illegal unconstitutional covid lockdowns.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 26, 2022 04:29 PM (jNnu4)

269 Apparently the entire school campus was unlocked, and there was no resource officer at the school. This, after they'd had active shooter exercises.

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(adds to the list)

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Black family survived slavery but not welfare at May 26, 2022 04:29 PM (R92o9)

270 >>>How many kids bled out while the cops waited for SWAT?

>It wasn't SWAT. It was a Border Patrol dude wearing a ball cap.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 26, 2022 04:29 PM (BP3/z)

271 AOC wanted to abolish the border patrol and ICE.
Posted by: redridinghood at May 26, 2022 04:27 PM (NpAcC)



Well, she's mentally retarded, so......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:29 PM (Zz0t1)

272 Greg Abbott says it could have been worse.
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So you POS, you are telling parents of dead and wounded children that it could have been worse? You should be saying it could have been better if the cops had done their job.
What is the function of the School District cops (yep, they have their own cops) other than to protect the schools?

Posted by: Ciampino at May 26, 2022 04:29 PM (qfLjt)

273 Just wondering why they couldn't have sniped Ramos through the classroom window?

Posted by: FriscoYoda at May 26, 2022 04:28 PM (S7une)

You know how much those windows cost?!

Posted by: School Board President at May 26, 2022 04:29 PM (7bRMQ)

274 Seriously. WTF is up with MUMR?

This is getting a bit scary.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:30 PM (Zz0t1)

275
Several months ago Ace posted the silly Misinformation graph pretending to show how biden lowered gas prices.

Remember that graph? It was zoomed way in to show a misleading sharp drop in prices but it was really only 2 cents.

We should revisit that graph because gas went up over $1/gal since then.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at May 26, 2022 04:30 PM (sKPiu)

276 Some guy from Depeche Mode is mort

Andy Fletcher, the keyboardist. Always loved them. They had a unique sound.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 26, 2022 04:30 PM (nxdel)

277 FWIW, I was pulled over in Uvalde in my company truck for going 5 over. This was a little over a year ago. It was around 11 PM because I was doing an overnight cabinet swap at a cell tower.

The cop was a prick. Highly suspicious. Wanted to look through our truck, even though it was clearly marked and had the new cabinet in the back, on a pallet, wrapped in cellophane. I asked if he wanted to see my NTP, too. My wife even remembered because of how much I bitched about him.

Posted by: Haimerej at May 26, 2022 04:30 PM (eEIV9)

278 From reports, the Border Patrol agent was an off duty member of teh Border Patrol BORTAC tactical team.

He had probably seen the elephant and did what others dared not.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 04:30 PM (Iq9dF)

279 Wouldn't be suprised at all. Also wouldn't be surprised if his/her kid were in the school. He got a text message. Hopped in his car and got there in time to snuff the creep.
Posted by: Horatio at the bridge at May 26, 2022 04:27 PM (yRnrW)

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Which is exactly what should have happened. Would have been nice to have two agents one to distract at a window or whatever, another to take the head shot.

But this brave Border Patrol agent got the job done.

He deserves all the accolades he gets.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:30 PM (DcKNO)

280 @245

Meal Team 6. There it is. With their MRAP (AMRAP)

Posted by: brak at May 26, 2022 04:30 PM (j5Tg0)

281
The only bunch that looks bad is government employees at every level. Government employees dropped the ball with dealing with the shooter (no charges for domestic violence and shooting people with a BB gun, both of which would have prevented the gun purchase), government employees left the door to the school open, government employees couldn't shoot Sally and then decided not to pursue him into the school once they couldn't see him any longer, etc.

No gun owner looks bad. Only government employees.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Black family survived slavery but not welfare at May 26, 2022 04:28 PM (R92o9)
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And that is why the party of government the democrats, will try to fog up this and blame republicans, NRA, and legal gun owners.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 04:30 PM (iDcra)

282 He had probably seen the elephant and did what others dared not.
Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 04:30 PM (Iq9dF)

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This is making a lot of sense.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:30 PM (DcKNO)

283 Don't you motherf*ckers try to eat chicken wings on the patio of your restaurant while some people in a nursing home in New York have a cold, though.

That was Texas, right?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Black family survived slavery but not welfare at May 26, 2022 04:31 PM (R92o9)

284 Different classrooms I believe. Not following in very close detail but I don't think civilians were getting people out of the classroom the shooter was in.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 04:28 PM (b2nrj)

I'm guessing that classroom also had windows. I'm not judging anything at this point, but I just wonder why they couldn't put one in his useless brain pan through a window.

Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2022 04:31 PM (14URa)

285 Greg Abbott says it could have been worse.
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At least it wasn't twenty-five kids, only 19.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 26, 2022 04:31 PM (pOvNt)

286 The cop was a prick. Highly suspicious. Wanted to look through our truck, even though it was clearly marked and had the new cabinet in the back, on a pallet, wrapped in cellophane. I asked if he wanted to see my NTP, too. My wife even remembered because of how much I bitched about him.

Posted by: Haimerej
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Asset forfeiture is a big business in a lot of small jurisdictions just as speed traps used to be.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 04:31 PM (Iq9dF)

287 3 I'm grateful for what I learn here. Like, that "our democracy" is the new leftist buzz-word. Love ya, Horde.
Posted by: Texican ette at May 26, 2022 03:59 PM (0K95j)

"Whose streets?" "Our streets!"

"Whose democracy?" "Our democracy!"

Same meaning. "Not yours."

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 26, 2022 04:31 PM (M9XmQ)

288 So let me get this straight, they heard shooting which means there were injured and dying children inside yet the police waited an hour to go in. That is horrendous.

Didn't any of the cops feel a sense of urgency?

Didn't not long ago a border agent drown saving a child of an illegal border crosser? These bastards let the injured school kids die while they secured the perimeter.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at May 26, 2022 04:31 PM (Uaoku)

289 Meal Team 6. There it is. With their MRAP (AMRAP)
Posted by: brak


With their Burrito Wrap.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 04:31 PM (oEoZw)

290 Of late, I am soooo tempted to paste MUMR comments, since he is Insta- Zapped. But it's a big violation of the AoSHQ Ethos, so I will resist.

Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 04:31 PM (Vr12I)

291 It wasn't SWAT. It was a Border Patrol dude wearing a ball cap.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 26, 2022 04:29 PM (BP3/z)

And if the story of the BPO running in to take out the shooter still holds true, we need his name. He needs to be heralded. Remember his name, not the shooter.

This country needs more John Waynes.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 04:31 PM (N39Ws)

292 I'm guessing that classroom also had windows. I'm not judging anything at this point, but I just wonder why they couldn't put one in his useless brain pan through a window.
Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2022 04:31 PM (14URa)


My guess: the shooter locked the door and immediately dropped the blinds.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 26, 2022 04:32 PM (wmDcS)

293 The presence of President Dementia, his ss detail and the evil media will strip the memorial of any potential of dignity.

Posted by: Northernlurker, surgite at May 26, 2022 04:32 PM (eGTCV)

294 268 Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at May 26, 2022 04:26 PM (J3dd4)

The COVID shit really turned my stomach WRT LEOs. At best they are a neutral force, at worst.....well I’m sure we don’t need any reminding for the summer of love or illegal unconstitutional covid lockdowns.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 26, 2022 04:29 PM (jNnu4)

Even California had police forces that refused to enforce the governor's mandates. Since police forces are a bunch of local entities, speaking of them in aggregate will necessarily be like combining California and Texas.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 04:32 PM (b2nrj)

295
Andy Fletcher, the keyboardist. Always loved them. They had a unique sound.
Posted by: Jewells45 at May 26, 2022 04:30 PM (nxdel)



Suicide was always available. I didn't need depressing fucking music driving me toward it.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:32 PM (Zz0t1)

296 I'm not saying sandy hook conspiracy theory, I'm just saying it looks like a conspiracy

Posted by: sockamster-rookie poster at May 26, 2022 04:32 PM (OuH7W)

297 The truth?we are on our own. Police have no duty to protect any of us. None. If they decide to great. I've been told its a personal decision.


When there is no trust in the state or the police there will be frontier Justice.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable, now with ultra maga at May 26, 2022 04:32 PM (0OmEj)

298 the internet, social media, TV, etal are making these kids feel worthless, envious, alone and hopeless

not all of them but enough

the world has become way to familiar with each other and we all knows what that breeds

the elite don't care what they are doing to kids cuz it aint happening to their kidz

Posted by: REDACTED at May 26, 2022 04:32 PM (us2H3)

299 Greg Abbott says it could have been worse.

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That's the one comment from him I heard that was a real shitter.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:32 PM (DcKNO)

300 214 Now there's going to be a third one...
Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 26, 2022 04:22 PM

Andy Fletcher makes three.

Ray Liotta
Alan White - Yes drummer
Andy Fletcher - Depeche Mode keyboardist

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 26, 2022 04:32 PM (4q/mG)

301 surprising anti-gun attitude that is prevalent in cops at the same time.

Not surprising at all.
It’s deflection of blame
The Uvalde cowards will come out big for common sense gun control. See also Broward Sheriff.

Posted by: John Tax Roberts at May 26, 2022 04:32 PM (hDQ7j)

302 Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 04:32 PM (b2nrj)

Fair enough. I’ll ask this; do you trust cops to be on the citizens side when they try the lockdowns again?

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 26, 2022 04:33 PM (jNnu4)

303 Aww Meghan Markle made an appearance in Uvalde and laid down white roses at a memorial. DIAF you bitch.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 26, 2022 04:33 PM (nxdel)

304 From reports, the Border Patrol agent was an off duty member of teh Border Patrol BORTAC tactical team.

He had probably seen the elephant and did what others dared not.
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Bet his kid was in there.

I got text from my kids school on time. Text says incident, authorities on scene don't go to school. Wait to be informed.

I got in my car and drove to the school immediately. I knew if I saw a perimeter what I was going to do. By the time i got there, all clear. False alarm.

Posted by: Horatio at the bridge at May 26, 2022 04:33 PM (FBnV2)

305 The police want to keep mothers and fathers away because their actions will show the public the cowardice of the police. Can't be shown up by an unarmed civilian.

Posted by: Agitator at May 26, 2022 04:34 PM (8Avx7)

306 Thought I heard that BPA was rezoning to APB in pursuit of shooter from earlier attack on grandma and traffic accident?

Different mindset than cops responding to hostage situation, right? He was a real hero, and as someone else speculated, was not operating under his supervisor, he was responding as trained with associated ability to assess and act on his own/per protocol. A guess.

Posted by: Lizzy's phone at May 26, 2022 04:34 PM (+UAeM)

307
Aww Meghan Markle made an appearance in Uvalde and laid down white roses at a memorial. DIAF you bitch.
Posted by: Jewells45


I hate these photo-ops most of all.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at May 26, 2022 04:34 PM (sKPiu)

308 Posted by: USNtakim deplorable, now with ultra maga at May 26, 2022 04:32 PM (0OmEj)

Cops gotta be very careful here. The left hates them and now the right is slowly turning against them.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 26, 2022 04:34 PM (jNnu4)

309 This country needs more John Waynes.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 04:31 PM (N39Ws)

No! We need more Alan Aldas!

Posted by: Wine Mom at May 26, 2022 04:34 PM (7bRMQ)

310 Suicide was always available. I didn't need depressing fucking music driving me toward it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:32 PM (Zz0t1)

*Makes note not to buy Sponge Joy Divison cds*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 04:34 PM (XvPQV)

311 " But it's a big violation of the AoSHQ Ethos, so I will resist."

It is? Noteworthy noninflammatory comments deserve reposting I think.

Posted by: fd at May 26, 2022 04:34 PM (vrz2I)

312 Lord have mercy on us.

Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 04:34 PM (94hkk)

313 The presence of President Dementia, his ss detail and the evil media will strip the memorial of any potential of dignity.

Posted by: Northernlurker, surgite at May 26, 2022 04:32 PM (eGTCV)

Remember when Peppermint Patty said he couldn't go to Waukesha because his detail would be too distracting or something?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:35 PM (ptqGC)

314 I need a drink.

Posted by: Squid at May 26, 2022 04:05 PM (xtjw3)

I need 21

Posted by: pookysgirl, hunting through the fridge at May 26, 2022 04:35 PM (XKZwp)

315 302 Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 04:32 PM (b2nrj)

Fair enough. I’ll ask this; do you trust cops to be on the citizens side when they try the lockdowns again?
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 26, 2022 04:33 PM (jNnu4)

I trust the ones who were on the citizens' side the first time around. I don't trust the ones who weren't. It mostly came down to a rural/urban divide.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 04:35 PM (b2nrj)

316 153 Is there a term for when your system of voting is compromised and participating no longer matters and you have to look outside of your country for news about what's happening in your nation?

It's called Communism.

Posted by: Ciampino at May 26, 2022 04:35 PM (qfLjt)

317 I think you'll be hearing the phase, 'abundance of caution' a lot in the coming days.

Posted by: MJ at May 26, 2022 04:35 PM (zwDuR)

318 This is getting worse and worse.

Posted by: runner at May 26, 2022 04:36 PM (F1vmP)

319 Don’t read the update.

Now I need a double. Rage

Posted by: Squid at May 26, 2022 04:36 PM (xtjw3)

320 Cops gotta be very careful here. The left hates them and now the right is slowly turning against them.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 26, 2022 04:34 PM (jNnu4)

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Agree. As someone who is generally very pro-police, this is making me rethink a lot of things.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:36 PM (DcKNO)

321 Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 04:35 PM (b2nrj)

Fair. I’m a not quite but close enough city dweller. So I’m jaded.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 26, 2022 04:36 PM (jNnu4)

322 I need some Hedy Lamarrs

Posted by: REDACTED at May 26, 2022 04:36 PM (us2H3)

323 HI PEACHES!!

Posted by: runner at May 26, 2022 04:36 PM (F1vmP)

324 So how long until the Biden regime decides to prosecute the Border Patrol guy for violating the gun free zone around the school?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at May 26, 2022 04:36 PM (Bd6X8)

325 I can only imagine the goofs coming out of "President" Potato Head's mouth tomorrow.

Should be epic.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:36 PM (ptqGC)

326 269 Apparently the entire school campus was unlocked, and there was no resource officer at the school. This, after they'd had active shooter exercises.

*

(adds to the list)

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Black family survived slavery but not welfare at May 26, 2022 04:29 PM (R92o9)
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We're gonna need a bigger data server.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at May 26, 2022 04:37 PM (8oyJF)

327 One thing that amazes me is that Big Tech and the Deep State can flag you, easily -- and does -- for posting "I take Ivermectin horse paste" or "the election was stolen", but not for "I just s*** my grandmother" and "now I'm going to s**** an elementary school".

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 26, 2022 04:37 PM (M9XmQ)

328 Windows everywhere, and batons and body armor to handle the glass in the frames. Or drive a damn patrol car through the front door.

"I need a key for the door, guys!"
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Black family survived slavery but not welfare at May 26, 2022 04:24 PM (R92o9)


They were already in the building, it was an internal classroom door that was locked. And again, if the school was built any time recently, it was likely built with doors and glass designed specifically to prevent shooters from breaking in.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 26, 2022 04:37 PM (wmDcS)

329 I'm guessing that classroom also had windows. I'm not judging anything at this point, but I just wonder why they couldn't put one in his useless brain pan through a window.

Posted by: Peaches
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Shooting through glass usually deflects the bullet and head shots of a moving target are a lot harder to pull off in real life than in entertainment media. You would probably have to shatter the windows first and hope the murderer did not take cover.

There is a reason center mass shots are taught and if wearing body armor apparently then shots to the pelvis or the head if the center mass shots do not take effect.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 04:37 PM (Iq9dF)

330 312 Lord have mercy on us.

I'm literally at the point where I've been yelling at Him. For a while now.

Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2022 04:37 PM (14URa)

331 Will Biden say something ridiculous about the time he was a member of a SWAT team?

Posted by: Northernlurker, surgite at May 26, 2022 04:37 PM (eGTCV)

332 303 Aww Meghan Markle made an appearance in Uvalde and laid down white roses at a memorial. DIAF you bitch.
Posted by: Jewells45 at May 26, 2022 04:33 PM (nxdel)

Were the Netflix camera crews standing near her? Meghan and Harry can't take a dump without Netflix getting more coverage of their "horrible" life as royalty.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 04:37 PM (N39Ws)

333 322 I need some Hedy Lamarrs
Posted by: REDACTED at May 26, 2022 04:36 PM (us2H3)

"It's Headley"

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 04:37 PM (XvPQV)

334 Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:36 PM (DcKNO)

Cops are a necessary evil. I understand that and am comfortable with that. At the end of the day they are an arm of the government we give immense powers to.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 26, 2022 04:37 PM (jNnu4)

335 295 Suicide was always available. I didn't need depressing fucking music driving me toward it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:32 PM

Whatever you do, if you are depressed, do NOT listen to Pink Floyds album "The Final Cut".

Yes, I know it really should be considered Roger Waters first solo album, but the music and lyrics might make you want to end it all. It is that depressing.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 26, 2022 04:37 PM (4q/mG)

336 The truth?we are on our own. Police have no duty to protect any of us. None. If they decide to great. I've been told its a personal decision.



Great. I can live with that. 1. I get to be armed. 2. I get to defend myself. 3. They stop selling me this song and dance about being heroes while they let kids die.

With those three conditions, I'll accept they don't have to do anything. But that's not how it works, is it?

Hero is a title that is earned, not bestowed upon graduation from an academy. If they aren't going to be bothered to earn it, I won't grace them with it.

Posted by: Oldstoke at May 26, 2022 04:38 PM (sb+Cg)

337 43
The Coward of Broward County.

That sounds like a Glen Campbell song.

Posted by: Ciampino at May 26, 2022 04:38 PM (qfLjt)

338 Fair enough. I’ll ask this; do you trust cops to be on the citizens side when they try the lockdowns again?
Posted by: thathalfrican

Where's their pension located?

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 04:38 PM (oEoZw)

339 305 I BET ONLY A FEW PARENTS WILL THERE TO MEET BIDEN

Posted by: MONSTER UNIVERSE MITT ROMNEY at May 26, 2022 04:33 PM (1IJnB)


Secret Service agents will cuff and drag parents to meet with Joe, if needed. The parents must hear about Joe's pain of losing Beau no matter what.

Posted by: Get on it, Wheels at May 26, 2022 04:38 PM (qhIbO)

340 Where did the Feds come from?
Got there awfully quickly it seems.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 26, 2022 04:03 PM (anj39)


Dunkin Donuts?

Do you really wanna know why that lady was cuffed and others were pepper sprayed and thrown to the ground?

Contempt of cop. There's hardly a worse sin in their unofficial book. "Obey my edicts, legal or not, or u goin' to jail, boy."

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 26, 2022 04:38 PM (F0YaR)

341
*Makes note not to buy Sponge Joy Divison cds*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 04:34 PM (XvPQV)



I'm better now. Now I just hate shitty music.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:38 PM (Zz0t1)

342 Might get a bit dangerous for the Uvalde police force soon.... Despairing parents who now have no one to live for and nothing left to lose.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 26, 2022 04:38 PM (KAi1n)

343 252 224 I don't know what happened exactly, but what I do know is the Gov't wants us unarmed and wants a federal police force... so anything that makes locals or gunowners bad I look at with a jaundice eye.
Posted by: Inogame at May 26, 2022 04:24 PM (53oGX)

Federal police force? Name an agency that doesn't have one already? Dept of Education does. So too the IRS, Dept of Energy, Postal Service, etc.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 04:27 PM (N39Ws)

They want local forces disbanded, is what I intended,
but yes, they have far too many federal forces already.

Posted by: Inogame at May 26, 2022 04:38 PM (53oGX)

344 I actually can't process this as physical cowardice. I don't think I'm an especially brave person, but I actually find the idea of LE holding back with kids being shot at for fear for their own lives to be simply incredible.

What I can imagine, more plausibly, is that some cretinous, donut-breath supervising bureaucrat issued "orders" for the officers to stand down and the rest complied with the order out of fear of losing that cushy government pension.

That is of course equally if not more reprehensible, but to me would just seem more plausible than physical cowardice. I simply could not fathom an officer, or any adult male, fearing more for their lives than the need to at least try to do what they could to save children.

Posted by: Zek at May 26, 2022 04:38 PM (OzNIz)

345 Pretty sure that after Columbine.it was no longer SOP to surround the school and wait. That was one of the much-discussed lessons and changes implemented as a result of people bleeding out while cops sat outside.

This is very much not new territory here, this has been factored into school shooter response policy and prep for 20+ years.

Posted by: Lizzy's phone at May 26, 2022 04:38 PM (+UAeM)

346 The school district voted all the schools to be gun-free.

Somebody ought to ask them about it, in a round-table discussion in which there are Texas school officials that have hardened their OWN schools with armed and trained security, including teachers.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 26, 2022 04:38 PM (KiBMU)

347 Cops gotta be very careful here. The left hates them and now the right is slowly turning against them.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 26, 2022 04:34 PM (jNnu4)

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Agree. As someone who is generally very pro-police, this is making me rethink a lot of things.

Posted by: Seems Legit
===

The cops have always been on the other side. We just thought they were for law and order as we are. This is a whole other sector of where the masks have come off. If a person is in government, they are against freedom and liberty.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 04:38 PM (iDcra)

348
Aww Meghan Markle made an appearance in Uvalde and laid down white roses at a memorial. DIAF you bitch.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 26, 2022 04:33 PM


to be fair, she hadn't been in the headlines for months

she has needs, you know

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 26, 2022 04:38 PM (ENBF0)

349 99% of the law enforcement who held parents back from saving children as they were being alughteres are straight shooting patriots.

Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 04:39 PM (+BR1Z)

350 >>> Aww Meghan Markle made an appearance in Uvalde and laid down white roses at a memorial. DIAF you bitch.
Posted by: Jewells45 at May 26, 2022 04:33 PM (nxdel)


Can't say I'd recommend it.

Posted by: Princess Di at May 26, 2022 04:39 PM (0fVbu)

351 Hi, all y'all. Been missing you guys a lot. Ace's post here is too freakin' epic, drove me right out of lurker mode. x

Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2022 04:39 PM (14URa)

352
Whatever you do, if you are depressed, do NOT listen to Pink Floyds album "The Final Cut".

Yes, I know it really should be considered Roger Waters first solo album, but the music and lyrics might make you want to end it all. It is that depressing.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 26, 2022 04:37 PM (4q/mG)



Never been a Pink Floyd or Watters fan, so.....

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:39 PM (Zz0t1)

353 There is a reason center mass shots are taught and if wearing body armor apparently then shots to the pelvis or the head if the center mass shots do not take effect.
Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 04:37 PM (Iq9dF)

Pelvis shots are very effective. Lots of blood supply in that area. And shots on pelvis will take down even the methed up attackers.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 04:39 PM (N39Ws)

354 The Coward of Broward County.

That sounds like a Glen Campbell song.

Posted by: Ciampino at May 26, 2022 04:38 PM (qfLjt)


Or Marty Robbins.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 26, 2022 04:39 PM (F0YaR)

355 They were already in the building, it was an internal classroom door that was locked. And again, if the school was built any time recently, it was likely built with doors and glass designed specifically to prevent shooters from breaking in.
Posted by: Colorado Alex

*

Hahaha

They were already in and didn't have a key, even though they'd had 40 minutes to plan, knew the layout, had a school resource officer on site, and had waited for The Pros to show up to handle things.

I'm not sure this is better.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the CEO of Moderna acknowledged the presence of patented sequence in Covid-19 at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (udLfr)

356 Armed teachers. Teachers who already have their concealed permits and go through active shooter training, have the schools put a biometric safe in each teachers desk and allow them to carry when not in their classrooms.

In other words, harden the targets and let the scumbags go elsewhere to do their dirty deeds.

And while we are on the subject...whyinnafuck wasn't that door locked?????

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (CcOog)

357 329

There is a reason center mass shots are taught and if wearing body armor apparently then shots to the pelvis or the head if the center mass shots do not take effect.
Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 04:37 PM (Iq9dF)

I was taught that shots to groin area upper thigh region was a good alternate target. That jibe with what you were taught? Got this from an Iraq combat vet buddy.

Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (Vr12I)

358 *Makes note not to buy Sponge Joy Divison cds*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 04:34 PM (XvPQV)


I'm better now. Now I just hate shitty music.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:38 PM (Zz0t1)

*Makes note to also not buy Depeche Mode cds for Sponge*

And I'm glad you're better now

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (XvPQV)

359 CNN Politics

Exclusive: McConnell says he has directed Cornyn to engage with Democrats on a ‘bipartisan solution’ on gun violence.

Posted by: Lola at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (NIYa7)

360 And again, if the school was built any time recently, it was likely built with doors and glass designed specifically to prevent shooters from breaking in.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 26, 2022 04:37 PM (wmDcS)

That'd make for a rather ironic result.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (b2nrj)

361 99% of the law enforcement who held parents back from saving children as they were being alughteres are straight shooting patriots.
Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 04:39 PM

Forgot your Sean Hannity sock?

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (M9XmQ)

362 Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 04:38 PM (iDcra)

I ain’t quite there but, yeah, I get it.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (jNnu4)

363 Y’all are falling hook, line & sinker for “the narrative “. Straight out of Obama’s divide & conquer playbook. I implore you to please just let all the facts come out before tarring all US law enforcement with the same brush.

Posted by: Zombie Ronald Reagan, please save us! at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (lFzok)

364 Can you imagine the panic in the West Wing on whether to send Biden or Harris to Uvalde.

Posted by: WisRich at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (G0vdT)

365 350
Can't say I'd recommend it.
Posted by: Princess Di at May 26, 2022 04:39 PM (0fVbu)

Maybe Meghan needs a new driver?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (N39Ws)

366 Apparently the entire school campus was unlocked, and there was no resource officer at the school. This, after they'd had active shooter exercises.

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hmm, never heard that before. I don't believe in conspiracy theories, those are russian disinformation. people who mention SH had the same thing are domestic terrorists.

Posted by: sockamster-rookie poster at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (OuH7W)

367 This is very much not new territory here, this has been factored into school shooter response policy and prep for 20+ years.
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No it hasn't. It was the same shit in Florida too. You should be correct. That's what they should have been doing, but no. Its set up a perimeter and wait til he's out of ammo. Then go in with squeegees.

Posted by: Horatio at the bridge at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (24EaW)

368 Maybe they heard the shooter was a tranny and didn't want the domestic terrorist parents to offend xer.

Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (+BR1Z)

369 They were already in the building, it was an internal classroom door that was locked. And again, if the school was built any time recently, it was likely built with doors and glass designed specifically to prevent shooters from breaking in.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 26, 2022 04:37 PM (wmDcS)

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The border agent got in.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:41 PM (DcKNO)

370 I can only imagine the goofs coming out of "President" Potato Head's mouth tomorrow.

Should be epic.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:36 PM (ptqGC)

Wouldn't it be great if he was loudly heckled and booed and told to get the hell out? Of course, the crowd will be hand picked and the standarounds will get presidential medals or something.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 26, 2022 04:41 PM (7bRMQ)

371 People who reflexively defend cops should have already learned their lesson by observing how enthusiastically our heroes in blue enforced every single violation of our rights ordered by politicians in the name of "public health" over the past two years. This is just the icing on the cake.

Remember, the courts have determined that police have absolutely no obligation to protect anyone from harm.

Posted by: radar at May 26, 2022 04:41 PM (9/IeZ)

372 If you're a parent in this situation, and you have a gun, at what point do you start to shoot the police who are actively assisting the perp who's in the process of murdering your child?

Posted by: Mozam at May 26, 2022 04:41 PM (ea+OK)

373 Hahaha

They were already in and didn't have a key, even though they'd had 40 minutes to plan, knew the layout, had a school resource officer on site, and had waited for The Pros to show up to handle things.

I'm not sure this is better.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - the CEO of Moderna acknowledged the presence of patented sequence in Covid-19 at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (udLfr)


No, they were in the building within minutes of the shooter, and then spent 40 minutes trying to find someone who had a key while the shooter was barricaded inside the room.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 26, 2022 04:41 PM (wmDcS)

374 324 So how long until the Biden regime decides to prosecute the Border Patrol guy for violating the gun free zone around the school?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at May 26, 2022 04:36 PM (Bd6X

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We're gonna need to know the dude's ethnicity, gender, & political leanings before making that determination.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at May 26, 2022 04:41 PM (8oyJF)

375 Asset forfeiture is a big business in a lot of small jurisdictions just as speed traps used to be.
Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 04:31 PM (Iq9dF)

Concur. There were 2 local yokels sheriff deputies a few years ago who would stop suspected drug runners on their small stretch of interstate highway for the forfeitures, etc. until they stopped the wrong people and got killed ending their LE hustle. I forget what State it was in.

Sovereign citizen types. Bad Juju.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 26, 2022 04:41 PM (VghRo)

376
Contempt of cop. There's hardly a worse sin in their unofficial book. "Obey my edicts, legal or not, or u goin' to jail, boy."

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 26, 2022 04:38 PM


something something respect ma authoritah something

Posted by: Officer Cartman at May 26, 2022 04:41 PM (ENBF0)

377 Well, the left and their 'media' certainly got what they wanted with this shooting.

Posted by: Eromero at May 26, 2022 04:41 PM (gktX6)

378 352 Never been a Pink Floyd or Watters fan, so.....
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:39 PM

Need to get you to listen to albums pre "The Wall". Besides DSOTM, I love to listen to Meddle, Animals and SOYCD. Pure headphone music.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 26, 2022 04:41 PM (4q/mG)

379 Pelvis shots are very effective. Lots of blood supply in that area. And shots on pelvis will take down even the methed up attackers.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 04:39 PM (N39Ws)

If nothing else, pelvis shots have a higher chance of breaking major bones that are needed for mobilization.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 26, 2022 04:41 PM (CcOog)

380 Posted by: Peaches

How are you and how is Fluffy?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at May 26, 2022 04:41 PM (Bd6X8)

381 The border agent got in.
Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:41 PM (DcKNO)


Yes, once they found a key.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 26, 2022 04:41 PM (wmDcS)

382 Book it: It's going to come out that the Feds had their grimy hands all over this nonresponse.

Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 04:42 PM (+BR1Z)

383 >>> CNN Politics

Exclusive: McConnell says he has directed Cornyn to engage with Democrats on a ‘bipartisan solution’ on gun violence.
Posted by: Lola at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (NIYa7)


Bipartisan is like being double teamed.

Posted by: Princess Di at May 26, 2022 04:42 PM (0fVbu)

384 Peaches! There's a nic I haven't seen for a long, long time!

Welcome back! 😁

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 26, 2022 04:42 PM (M9XmQ)

385 I try to pretend The Final Cut never happened.

Some people love that album. I do not concur. "Loathe" and "detest" are more my feelings.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 26, 2022 04:42 PM (HsAzN)

386 At this point I wouldnt be surprised to learn the cops killed some of the kids themselves. It wouldnt change my opinion of them

Posted by: Bandana Dee at May 26, 2022 04:42 PM (6LG2q)

387 Just to reiterate.

If we paid zero tax dollars we would have;

Gas under $2/gallon
Shelves full of formula
And no one standing guard so gunmen can kill our children uninterrupted.

Thanks government!

Posted by: Thatch at May 26, 2022 04:42 PM (4bwTM)

388 Has James Taylor been booked yet?

Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 04:42 PM (+BR1Z)

389 I foresee the GOP "compromise" to create "gun free corridors" forbidding anyone from carrying within hundreds of feet of a school, school bus, school administration building or afterschool activity. So you can keep your Second Amendment. Only your right to carry will be restricted to a serpentine corridor on the outskirts of town.

Posted by: Zek at May 26, 2022 04:43 PM (OzNIz)

390 Just yesterday the Oval Office idiot tweeted this:

"I've gotten to know George Floyd's family over the years and I promised them that his name will not just become a hashtag. Today, I signed an Executive Order to deliver on that promise and enact the most significant police reform in decades."

What is it about Barry and the Goof idolizing this criminal?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:43 PM (ptqGC)

391 363 Y’all are falling hook, line & sinker for “the narrative “. Straight out of Obama’s divide & conquer playbook. I implore you to please just let all the facts come out before tarring all US law enforcement with the same brush.

Posted by: Zombie Ronald Reagan, please save us! at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (lFzok)

This right here. More will be revealed. Some of it might even be factual. A lot of it won't.

Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2022 04:43 PM (14URa)

392
And I'm glad you're better now
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (XvPQV)



*fistbump*

A LONG time ago. All is well. Lovin' life.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:43 PM (Zz0t1)

393 Markle is an attention seeking whore , just like her husband.

Posted by: runner at May 26, 2022 04:43 PM (F1vmP)

394 No, they were in the building within minutes of the shooter, and then spent 40 minutes trying to find someone who had a key while the shooter was barricaded inside the room.

*

Yeah, that's what I said.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the CEO of Moderna acknowledged the presence of patented sequence in Covid-19 at May 26, 2022 04:43 PM (udLfr)

395 No, they were in the building within minutes of the shooter, and then spent 40 minutes trying to find someone who had a key while the shooter was barricaded inside the room.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 26, 2022 04:41 PM (wmDcS)

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The border agent went in and killed the shooter.
So they unlocked the door and ran back?

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:43 PM (DcKNO)

396 Right after we hear from Tito the Builder we're gonna show a montage of our bravest, most finest police officers in America.

True American heroes!

Posted by: Hannity at May 26, 2022 04:43 PM (zwDuR)

397 If a person is in government, they are against freedom and liberty.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 04:38 PM (iDcra)

You'd think that in a small town you, as a citizen, might know the local police ?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 26, 2022 04:44 PM (GDRdq)

398 Maybe they heard the shooter was a tranny and didn't want the domestic terrorist parents to offend xer.

I think that's been debunked. Unless you were being snarky. If so..carry on.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 26, 2022 04:44 PM (nxdel)

399 CNN Politics

Exclusive: McConnell says he has directed Cornyn to engage with Democrats on a ‘bipartisan solution’ on gun violence.
Posted by: Lola at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (NIYa7)


In other news: Never let a crisis go to waste.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at May 26, 2022 04:44 PM (AiZBA)

400 72 The cops say that they can't protect you from crime, only show up later to catch the criminal but I didn't think they meant it this literally.
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Then they need to reword their slogan painted on their cars "To Protect And Serve". They do neither.

Posted by: Ciampino at May 26, 2022 04:44 PM (qfLjt)

401 Cops gotta be very careful here. The left hates them and now the right is slowly turning against them.
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They couldn't wait to bow and scrape before the left and enforce the illegal mask mandates.

They have to see a doctor for their four-hour boner from thinking about how they'll soon get to arrest civilians for using the wrong pronouns.

I don't need them. I got guns to protect me and insurance who will investigate crimes against me--I don't need those lardbucket paper-pushers.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 26, 2022 04:44 PM (yw6lL)

402 The 'Bay has a Depeche Mode special box set for 2.5k clams. Be the first one on your block.

Posted by: klaftern at May 26, 2022 04:44 PM (taPSh)

403 I was taught that shots to groin area upper thigh region was a good alternate target. That jibe with what you were taught? Got this from an Iraq combat vet buddy.
Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (Vr12I)


I learned it in a class at Tigerswan.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 26, 2022 04:44 PM (CcOog)

404 CNN Breaking News · Twitter

President Biden and first lady Jill Biden will visit Uvalde, Texas, on Sunday after 19 children and two adults were killed in a mass shooting at an elementary school, the White House announced.

31 mins ago

Posted by: Lola at May 26, 2022 04:44 PM (NIYa7)

405 Federal Marshals cuffed this lady?

Are those the Border Patrol Agents?


The perp's handlers. They were performing overwatch to make sure the job got done.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 26, 2022 04:44 PM (AHeqJ)

406 Y’all are falling hook, line & sinker for “the narrative “. Straight out of Obama’s divide & conquer playbook. I implore you to please just let all the facts come out before tarring all US law enforcement with the same brush.

Posted by: Zombie Ronald Reagan, please save us! at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (lFzok)

This right here. More will be revealed. Some of it might even be factual. A lot of it won't.
Posted by: Peaches

If it's true, and it appears to be, that the cops waited forty minutes to go in, THEY PAINTED THEIR OWN ASSES.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 04:45 PM (oEoZw)

407 Tactical teams have a different mindset. But what went on here is a clown shown and against almost every credible AS response (if true). I've heard the BORTAC bubba was basically like WTF are you doing and ran to the gunshots. Which is what you do in this situation.

Posted by: Marcus T, Deus Vult at May 26, 2022 04:45 PM (T0jQj)

408 A LEO whose opinion I respect is Wyatt Earp. I do not think he has weighed in on this. Thinking about it, maybe he is smart not to.

Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 04:45 PM (Vr12I)

409 Maybe the border agent was also a professional lockpicker.

You never know.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 26, 2022 04:45 PM (M9XmQ)

410 Exclusive: McConnell says he has directed Cornyn to engage with Democrats on a ‘bipartisan solution’ on gun violence.
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There aint no solution. that's code for we're going to give the deep state what it wants.

Posted by: Horatio at the bridge at May 26, 2022 04:45 PM (gGu5+)

411
Need to get you to listen to albums pre "The Wall". Besides DSOTM, I love to listen to Meddle, Animals and SOYCD. Pure headphone music.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 26, 2022 04:41 PM (4q/mG)



My brother has it all on vinyl. Heard it. Sure, some if it is alright, just have never been a fan. And some of it is just not good.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:45 PM (Zz0t1)

412 Did the principal, janitor, and school resource officer all leave together when Sally arrived?

Or was it a catroonish key ring with 500 keys on it, and they had to try each one?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the CEO of Moderna acknowledged the presence of patented sequence in Covid-19 at May 26, 2022 04:46 PM (udLfr)

413 With a secure police perimeter established outside, it was clear that Ramos wasn't going to get away with his murders; that he by golly was certainly going to be captured if he exited the building.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at May 26, 2022 04:46 PM (K58O6)

414 The border agent went in and killed the shooter.
So they unlocked the door and ran back?
Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:43 PM (DcKNO)


Or he volunteered to go first and the others were entering behind him. The guy was apparently a specially trained agent so it would make sense that he volunteered to be the first one through the door.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 26, 2022 04:46 PM (wmDcS)

415 Jane, I fear Biden will be terribly inappropriate, like when he stood over the Benghazi dead casks and joked to the dad about his sons brass balls, or when he outed SEAL team six at the memorial service for the skiers killed when their helicopter was attacked.

Posted by: Lizzy's phone at May 26, 2022 04:46 PM (+UAeM)

416 I implore you to please just let all the facts come out before tarring all US law enforcement with the same brush.

Posted by: Zombie Ronald Reagan, please save us! at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (lFzok)

If this were the first example of a total failure that would be one thing, but we have over the past few years seen American policing fail over and over, and support exactly the sort of stuff that we despise.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 04:46 PM (XIJ/X)

417 "Exclusive: McConnell says he has directed Cornyn to engage with Democrats on a ‘bipartisan solution’ on gun violence. "

BOHICA.

Posted by: Marcus T, Deus Vult at May 26, 2022 04:46 PM (T0jQj)

418 I implore you to please just let all the facts come out before tarring all US law enforcement with the same brush.
Posted by: Zombie Ronald Reagan, please save us! at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (lFzok)


Hey, that's kind of out of our control. Blue needs to clean it's own house instead of making excuses. "Not all are like that" doesn't fly anymore. Those that aren't like that don't seem to matter, do they?

Instead they'll stick together out of solidarity. The biggest, most heavily armed gang in the world, and instead of running drugs, they deal in pensions, grift, and power-tripping.

This is entirely on them, and if it leads to "tarring with a big brush" so be it. They did this, not me. I didn't make them wait an hour for those kids to die.

Posted by: Oldstoke at May 26, 2022 04:46 PM (sb+Cg)

419 >>> 327 One thing that amazes me is that Big Tech and the Deep State can flag you, easily -- and does -- for posting "I take Ivermectin horse paste" or "the election was stolen", but not for "I just s*** my grandmother" and "now I'm going to s**** an elementary school".

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 26, 2022 04:37 PM (M9XmQ)

Sure we flag them. We just use different flags.

Posted by: Top Men and Whammen of the Eff.Bee.EYE at May 26, 2022 04:46 PM (llON8)

420 234 orry to repeat, but why did one border patrol agent kill the shooter when several cops could not?
____________

It appears that the BP agent was the only cop who was willing to run towards the shooter -- which is why he ended up getting shot in the hat (bullet grazed his skull -photo of his wound with staples is in a DM article).

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at May 26, 2022 04:46 PM (MvHI3)

421 403 I was taught that shots to groin area upper thigh region was a good alternate target. That jibe with what you were taught? Got this from an Iraq combat vet buddy.
Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (Vr12I)


I learned it in a class at Tigerswan.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 26, 2022 04:44 PM (CcOog)

Ah. What is Tigerswan?.

Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 04:47 PM (Vr12I)

422 407 Tactical teams have a different mindset. But what went on here is a clown shown and against almost every credible AS response (if true). I've heard the BORTAC bubba was basically like WTF are you doing and ran to the gunshots. Which is what you do in this situation.
Posted by: Marcus T, Deus Vult at May 26, 2022 04:45 PM (T0jQj)

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This
Pathetic it took a border patrol agent to roll up and do it.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:47 PM (DcKNO)

423 I think that's been debunked. Unless you were being snarky. If so..carry on.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 26, 2022 04:44 PM (nxdel)

Just snarking away the hours, per usual.

Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 04:47 PM (+BR1Z)

424 Whoever handcuffed her should go to jail.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 26, 2022 04:01 PM (bVYXr)

The only solution for that is for the local cops to start putting the Feds in cuffs when they pull crap like that. The problem is it doesn't sound like the local cops were much better.

Posted by: WiNO at May 26, 2022 04:47 PM (EpDzw)

425
So much ham. So much eggs. So much Boy Scout. So. Much. Top. Men.

Respect the badge.

Posted by: @TheRealWilliamHayes at May 26, 2022 04:47 PM (FIJ+3)

426 Pssst. I'm not saying it's glowies... but it's glowies...

Posted by: Axeman at May 26, 2022 04:47 PM (OaZlZ)

427 I was taught that shots to groin area upper thigh region was a good alternate target. That jibe with what you were taught? Got this from an Iraq combat vet buddy.

Posted by: kraken
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Yes--for two reasons, like in football, the pelvis and torso, unlike arms, legs, or the head, are a big target that cannot suddenly change direction. They have the pelvic girdle and with the right bullets (especially the slow and heavy 45 ACP 230 gr) or rifle bullets can collapse the ability of teh killer to move by destroying the bones and nerves necessary to do so. People with broken hips don't move much. Then, to promote collapse by blood loss, they contain major arteries.

Two guys on NYPD's famed Stakeout Squad that battled robbers were called the Proctologists by the medical examiners as they preferred those shots--kept the robbers from running and harming others by dropping them.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 04:47 PM (Iq9dF)

428 Jane, I fear Biden will be terribly inappropriate, like when he stood over the Benghazi dead casks and joked to the dad about his sons brass balls, or when he outed SEAL team six at the memorial service for the skiers killed when their helicopter was attacked.

Posted by: Lizzy's phone at May 26, 2022 04:46 PM (+UAeM)

His brain is in WAY worse shape than it was then. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't call some of the parents beaners. He's just that screwed up.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:47 PM (ptqGC)

429 I was taught that shots to groin area upper thigh region was a good alternate target. That jibe with what you were taught? Got this from an Iraq combat vet buddy.
Posted by: kraken


Modified Mozambique Drill:
Two to the chest, one to the head, & one to the pelvis.

The chest shots might not stop him. The head shot may miss. The pelvis shot breaks the pelvis and they ain't walking.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 04:48 PM (oEoZw)

430
Ah. What is Tigerswan?.

Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 04:47 PM


market price, same as in town

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 26, 2022 04:48 PM (ENBF0)

431 Maybe they heard the shooter was a tranny and didn't want the domestic terrorist parents to offend xer.

I think that's been debunked. Unless you were being snarky. If so..carry on.

*

The MSM and Democrats are crazy upset about it, so I assume it's true and they're scrubbing.

Transphobe.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the CEO of Moderna acknowledged the presence of patented sequence in Covid-19 at May 26, 2022 04:48 PM (udLfr)

432 372 If you're a parent in this situation, and you have a gun, at what point do you start to shoot the police who are actively assisting the perp who's in the process of murdering your child?

Posted by: Mozam at May 26, 2022 04:41 PM (ea+OK)

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It would be difficult to do if you were alone against a gaggle of armed cops -- you would likely end up dead, leaving your widowed wife and orphan children behind.

Now if you're part of a group with a fighting chance, that's another thing. Perhaps a future situation like this will kick off the hot Civil War ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at May 26, 2022 04:48 PM (8oyJF)

433 If this were the first example of a total failure that would be one thing, but we have over the past few years seen American policing fail over and over, and support exactly the sort of stuff that we despise.

Its not universal. It might not even be a majority like this. But there are too damn many.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2022 04:48 PM (KZzsI)

434 Just got here... So is Joe gonna go to Texas and blame Conservatives, I mean console the victims Families ?

Posted by: It's me donna at May 26, 2022 04:48 PM (bs+z0)

435 If nothing else, pelvis shots have a higher chance of breaking major bones that are needed for mobilization.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 26, 2022 04:41 PM (CcOog)

More target body mass than a head shot, and pretty much instant limited mobility !

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 26, 2022 04:48 PM (GDRdq)

436 >>> Wouldn't it be great if he was loudly heckled and booed and told to get the hell out? Of course, the crowd will be hand picked and the standarounds will get presidential medals or something.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 26, 2022 04:41 PM (7bRMQ)


They tasered, pepper sprayed, and beat down parents who tried to interfere with the free-fire kill zone they worked hard to set up. What do you think they'd do to anyone who interfered with our master's somnambulate mouthpiece?

Posted by: Princess Di at May 26, 2022 04:48 PM (0fVbu)

437 I implore you to please just let all the facts come out before tarring all US law enforcement with the same brush.

Posted by: Zombie Ronald Reagan, please save us! at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (lFzok)

That ship sailed a few years ago.

Posted by: WiNO at May 26, 2022 04:48 PM (EpDzw)

438 Just snarking away the hours, per usual.

Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 04:47 PM (+BR1Z)

It's pretty much all we have left at the moment.

Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2022 04:48 PM (14URa)

439 A bipartisan solution? Well heck, why didn't you just say so in the first place? Sheesh, people these days.

Posted by: klaftern at May 26, 2022 04:49 PM (taPSh)

440 Never liked Yes but do Joe Depeche Mode

Posted by: Skip at May 26, 2022 04:49 PM (2JoB8)

441 Was the Shooter is a Tranny point really debunked?

Or was the word "debunked" just repeated a dozen times, thereby making it debunked?

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 26, 2022 04:49 PM (M9XmQ)

442 Parents Teachers Association announces the formation of the volunteer militia. Long gunners with body armor wanted.

Posted by: Horatio at the bridge at May 26, 2022 04:49 PM (gGu5+)

443 "Unexpectedly !"

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - grateful for WWV ! at May 26, 2022 04:49 PM (+o2yA)

444 No more royal socks

Posted by: banana Dream at May 26, 2022 04:50 PM (0fVbu)

445 Remember that most AS situation are less then five minutes. This was 40 and way outside the norm. I'll wait for the official timeline but something is not adding up.

Posted by: Marcus T, Deus Vult at May 26, 2022 04:50 PM (T0jQj)

446 MUMR dropping gems again.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 26, 2022 04:50 PM (jNnu4)

447 > I was taught that shots to groin area upper thigh region was a good alternate target. That jibe with what you were taught? Got this from an Iraq combat vet buddy.

Pelvic bowl will take out anyone, no matter what drugs they're on. They might be able to drag themselves, but they ain't walking.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 26, 2022 04:50 PM (kDGvA)

448 Just snarking away the hours, per usual.glories...

Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 04:47 PM (+BR1Z)
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Snarking away the moments that make up the dull day...

Posted by: Axeman at May 26, 2022 04:50 PM (OaZlZ)

449 Never liked Yes but do Joe Depeche Mode
Posted by: Skip at May 26, 2022 04:49 PM (2JoB



I couldn't be more opposite.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:50 PM (Zz0t1)

450 Don’t worry, some trolls of the Horde will be here to explain why we need to continue to lick police boots all the time. They had a tough choice to make. They dont have to out themselves in danger. They have a pension accruing. Being stationed at a school does not mean the officer has a moral obligation. Etc etc.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 26, 2022 04:50 PM (rBAkF)

451 About 30 miles north of Uvalde is a small state park on the Frio River called Garner. Used to spend some vacation time there.
Great for swimming hiking and bird watching.
Vermilion Flycatcher, Green Kingfisher etc On big holidays and in summer place is mobbed. .

Posted by: Glenn John at May 26, 2022 04:50 PM (HKku6)

452 but they were unable to gain access to a classroom where he barricaded himself, firing on officers.

So I have a legitimate question, did this classroom have windows?, almost all do.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 26, 2022 04:02 PM (8GBH4)

Are you kidding? Peeking in a window could've drawn the fire off one of those kids and on to our officers!

Posted by: SandyCheeks at May 26, 2022 04:50 PM (EJEqS)

453 MUMR dropping gems again.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 26, 2022 04:50 PM (jNnu4)

It's wild, isn't it? Must be on new meds.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:50 PM (ptqGC)

454 Was the Shooter is a Tranny point really debunked?

Or was the word "debunked" just repeated a dozen times, thereby making it debunked?
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TBF there was a report that he would cut his own face

self mutilation so the tranny thing isn't that far fetched.

Posted by: Horatio at the bridge at May 26, 2022 04:51 PM (gGu5+)

455 "I have sympathy with cops not wanting to throw themselves into danger actively. They're human."

Find another line of work, then. That's the job.

Posted by: Goober at May 26, 2022 04:51 PM (Hgvgt)

456 Posted by: Marcus T, Deus Vult at May 26, 2022 04:50 PM (T0jQj)

I hate to get all tin foil hat-y but, you’re right something does not add up. At all. I’ll leave my theories in my brain for now.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 26, 2022 04:51 PM (jNnu4)

457 I still want to know how this kid afforded those expensive guns

Posted by: It's me donna at May 26, 2022 04:51 PM (bs+z0)

458 440 Never liked Yes but do Joe Depeche Mode
Posted by: Skip at May 26, 2022 04:49 PM (2JoB

I like " Roundabout". High energy driving song!

Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 04:51 PM (Vr12I)

459 363 Y’all are falling hook, line & sinker for “the narrative “. Straight out of Obama’s divide & conquer playbook. I implore you to please just let all the facts come out before tarring all US law enforcement with the same brush.

Posted by: Zombie Ronald Reagan, please save us! at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (lFzok)

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Most are not tarring all law enforcement, but we have seen this story before. The story is thus: police show up, treat it like a hostage situation, and set up a perimeter. Then wait 40 mins or so for the SWAT team to arrive.

I think that is the wrong move in a school shooting. We can be critical of bad military strategy when wars go bad, same goes for LEOs. We can never improve unless we critique what went wrong.

Posted by: William Eaton at May 26, 2022 04:51 PM (d1L+g)

460 It isn't a coincidence that Biden will be in Texas. Sure his handlers think it'll be good PR and he gets to shout at us about needing stricter gun control laws.

But also the NRA convention starts tomorrow in Houston.

Biden is going to stand on the bodies of those dead children and decry the NRA and us fellow 2A fans.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 04:51 PM (N39Ws)

461 Ah. What is Tigerswan?.
Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 04:47 PM (Vr12I)

They do a pistol and carbine training course

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 04:51 PM (XvPQV)

462 People with broken hips don't move much. Then, to promote collapse by blood loss, they contain major arteries.
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There was a Washington Redskin several years back who was killed by home intruders one night. He got up from bed after hearing noises, one of the burglars shot through the bedroom door at him and hit him in the thigh. Nicked an artery and he bled out in minutes.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at May 26, 2022 04:52 PM (MvHI3)

463
If this were the first example of a total failure that would be one thing, but we have over the past few years seen American policing fail over and over, and support exactly the sort of stuff that we despise.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 04:46 PM (XIJ/X)

Bingo.

People on the Right are super pissed about all the corruption. It's out of control, and of late, we've been squarely in the crosshairs of the crooked federal LE. But locals have gotten a pass, because people are afraid of turning into Portland or Seattle or SF.

But if the local yokels are going to allow chaos to reign anyway, just why the hell would their heretofore staunch allies on the political Right continue to support them?

Useless and malevolent is no way to go through life, kids.

Posted by: @TheRealWilliamHayes at May 26, 2022 04:52 PM (FIJ+3)

464 It isn't a coincidence that Biden will be in Texas. Sure his handlers think it'll be good PR and he gets to shout at us about needing stricter gun control laws.

But also the NRA convention starts tomorrow in Houston.

Biden is going to stand on the bodies of those dead children and decry the NRA and us fellow 2A fans.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 04:51 PM (N39Ws)


Omg. This.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:52 PM (ptqGC)

465 389 I foresee the GOP "compromise" to create "gun free corridors" forbidding anyone from carrying within hundreds of feet of a school, school bus, school administration building or afterschool activity. So you can keep your Second Amendment. Only your right to carry will be restricted to a serpentine corridor on the outskirts of town.

Posted by: Zek
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NOPE, the federales already repassed that law after Scotus struck in down in Lopez case. Never applied because Scotus specifically ruled out gun violence as 'commerce' so the new law was as infirm as the old one. Scotus reemphasized this in Morrison case involving VAWA law.

Look more to restrictions on purchases or some such. Pubblies already had drafted some legislation such like improvements and mo money for the FBI NICS system.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 04:52 PM (Iq9dF)

466 Twitter and waste the hours in an offhand way-e-yay.

Posted by: klaftern at May 26, 2022 04:52 PM (taPSh)

467 457 I still want to know how this kid afforded those expensive guns

Posted by: It's me donna at May 26, 2022 04:51 PM (bs+z0)

Right? I was all, wow, I guess slinging burgers at Wendy's pays pretty good in the Texas farmland.

Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2022 04:52 PM (14URa)

468 Ah. What is Tigerswan?.
Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 04:47 PM (Vr12I)

It's a shooting school. They go way out of their way to say that outright on their website (for legal reasons) but that's what they do.

https://www.tigerswan.com/

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 26, 2022 04:52 PM (CcOog)

469 I have sympathy with cops not wanting to throw themselves into danger actively. They're human.

I mean, yeah? But that's like sailors not wanting to go on a ship because you might drown. Its kinda your damn job.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2022 04:52 PM (KZzsI)

470
Biden is going to stand on the bodies of those dead children and decry the NRA and us fellow 2A fans.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 04:51 PM (N39Ws)



Democrats do this EVERY TIME their disciples commit these atrocities.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:53 PM (Zz0t1)

471 self mutilation so the tranny thing isn't that far fetched.
Posted by: Horatio at the bridge at May 26, 2022 04:51 PM (gGu5+)
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Plus eyeliner has more to do with the gender-incontinent than Tucker had to do with the Buffalo Shooter.

Posted by: Axeman at May 26, 2022 04:53 PM (OaZlZ)

472 It isn't a coincidence that Biden will be in Texas. Sure his handlers think it'll be good PR and he gets to shout at us about needing stricter gun control laws.

But also the NRA convention starts tomorrow in Houston.

Biden is going to stand on the bodies of those dead children and decry the NRA and us fellow 2A fans.


Out of curiosity, how far is Uvalde from the border? Isn't Joe getting dangerously close to it?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 26, 2022 04:53 PM (AHeqJ)

473 Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at May 26, 2022 04:52 PM (MvHI3)

Sean Taylor.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 26, 2022 04:53 PM (jNnu4)

474 I don't get the waiting part.

The only think I can think of is that they were afraid that if they went in, shooting would go even worse and possibly end up with a hostage situation. That's the best I can come up with.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2022 04:14 PM (KZzsI)

Nonsense. They were setting up for a hostage situation. They were creating one with a perimeter and expert 'talkers'

If you go in shooting you might have some deaths but not hostages.

Posted by: Oldcat at May 26, 2022 04:53 PM (eoQWY)

475 "They were just standing outside the fence. "
......

Just finishing up their ham and eggs.

Posted by: wth at May 26, 2022 04:53 PM (v0R5T)

476 Wouldn't it be great if he was loudly heckled and booed and told to get the hell out? Of course, the crowd will be hand picked and the standarounds will get presidential medals or something.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 26, 2022 04:41 PM (7bRMQ)

He'll meet privately with the families and the moment it gets ugly, he's outta there. I doubt if he says anything publicly.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 26, 2022 04:53 PM (anj39)

477 "It isn't a coincidence that Biden will be in Texas.

But also the NRA convention starts tomorrow in Houston."


No, not a coincidence at all.

Posted by: fd, born yesterday at May 26, 2022 04:54 PM (vrz2I)

478 461,468, thanks for response on Tigerswan. Sounds interesting.

Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 04:54 PM (Vr12I)

479
They were already in the building, it was an internal classroom door that was locked. And again, if the school was built any time recently, it was likely built with doors and glass designed specifically to prevent shooters from breaking in.
Posted by: Colorado Alex


Going off of memory here, but most of these dickless murderers haven't had to break into classrooms, they generally find open doors or bluff their way through the school staff.

Biggest problem is that most classrooms have only one exit. Once the dickless murderer starts working on the door, the people inside are just fish in a barrel.

On the infrastructure side, one of the most important things that can be done is to put in multiple doors that don't open into the same hallway. Give the room occupants multiple exits, multiple chances to escape.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 26, 2022 04:54 PM (n+4am)

480 Remember that most AS situation are less then five minutes. This was 40 and way outside the norm. I'll wait for the official timeline but something is not adding up.
Posted by: Marcus T, Deus Vult


It's adding up like the Marjorie Stoneman shooting in Florida.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 04:54 PM (oEoZw)

481 All law enforcement is not bad. But conservatives need to be able to call out poor performance when they see it. And this is that time.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 26, 2022 04:54 PM (rBAkF)

482 Young soldiers and Marines get paid a lot less to clear buildings in war zones.

Posted by: Javems at May 26, 2022 04:54 PM (AmoqO)

483 I still want to know how this kid afforded those expensive guns

Well again.. only what I have read but someone said he used his grandmas credit card.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 26, 2022 04:54 PM (nxdel)

484 Biden is going to stand on the bodies of those dead children and decry the NRA and us fellow 2A fans.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 04:51 PM (N39Ws)
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Well we have to be able to see him!

Posted by: Dem Dems at May 26, 2022 04:54 PM (OaZlZ)

485 While meeting with the grieving families, over/under on how many times he mentions Beau and looks at his watch.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:54 PM (ptqGC)

486 He'll meet privately with the families and the moment it gets ugly, he's outta there. I doubt if he says anything publicly.
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He'll probably check his watch a couple times tho.

Posted by: Horatio at the bridge at May 26, 2022 04:54 PM (gGu5+)

487 Boy howdy seeing what a violent s**tty world out there makes me eager to disarm, tell-yew-what.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 26, 2022 04:54 PM (44ww/)

488 Howdy Peaches, how's life?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 26, 2022 04:54 PM (CcOog)

489 There aint no solution. that's code for we're going to give the deep state what it wants.
Posted by: Horatio

Never let a gritting opportunity go to waste!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 26, 2022 04:55 PM (GDRdq)

490 I've called local cops any number of times to report one of those crowded, muscle car parties (side-show) where hundreds of people watch cars burning rubber in circular patterns, only to be told, sorry, we're not coming because we are outnumbered.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 26, 2022 04:55 PM (jTmQV)

491 Just snarking away the hours, per usual.

Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 04:47 PM (+BR1Z)

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I've considered changing my nic to three sarc tags like "///" -- so if I ever do, you'll know it to me, brother.

;-)

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at May 26, 2022 04:55 PM (8oyJF)

492 >>> But also the NRA convention starts tomorrow in Houston.

Biden is going to stand on the bodies of those dead children and decry the NRA and us fellow 2A fans.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 04:51 PM (N39Ws)



This sure is a handy convince how this all sort of works out. I'd like to see their GANTT chart some day. The left knows how to keep a schedule.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 26, 2022 04:55 PM (0fVbu)

493 They tasered, pepper sprayed, and beat down parents who tried to interfere with the free-fire kill zone they worked hard to set up. What do you think they'd do to anyone who interfered with our master's somnambulate mouthpiece?

Posted by: Princess Di at May 26, 2022 04:48 PM (0fVbu)

That's why I expect the crowd to be handpicked. Beta O'Crap will be there and yell, and The Fraudulent Pervert may start yelling too. Hopefully say something very stupid.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 26, 2022 04:55 PM (7bRMQ)

494 Most are not tarring all law enforcement, but we have seen this story before. The story is thus: police show up, treat it like a hostage situation, and set up a perimeter. Then wait 40 mins or so for the SWAT team to arrive.

I think that is the wrong move in a school shooting. We can be critical of bad military strategy when wars go bad, same goes for LEOs. We can never improve unless we critique what went wrong.
Posted by: William Eaton at May 26, 2022 04:51 PM (d1L+g)

It was old when it was parodied by the crooks in "Die Hard" in the 1980s

Posted by: Oldcat at May 26, 2022 04:55 PM (eoQWY)

495 Is setting up a perimeter SOP for these kinds of situations? If so, I am not yet prepared to be judgy about that......however, I am absolutely staggered that that wasn't one actual man among them who could not bear to think of a roomful of children being slaughtered, and decided "to hell with it, I'm going in."
I had an uncle who was a card carrying member of the KKK, but when a Jim Crow era segregated blacks only elementary school caught fire, his sorry ass was one of the first ones on scene, and rushing in to the burning cafeteria.
He was such an asshole about race that he was also one of the first to be questioned about the fire, which mightily offended him, and he was shocked that anyone would think he'd hurt kids....but my point is, if that old reprobate would run into a burning building to save children, how could there not be at least one man in a pack of cops and Feds who was willing to at least try to go in?!

God bless that BPA.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 26, 2022 04:55 PM (twla3)

496 Out of curiosity, how far is Uvalde from the border? Isn't Joe getting dangerously close to it?
Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 26, 2022 04:53 PM (AHeqJ)

70 miles, IIRC

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 04:55 PM (XvPQV)

497 Then again maybe cops would feel a little more empowered to act if they weren't raked seven ways to Sunday every time they shoot a minority.

Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 04:55 PM (7q/0c)

498 We STRENUOUSLY debunk the claim that the shooter was a tranny!!!

Posted by: This... is XiNN at May 26, 2022 04:55 PM (llON8)

499 489
Grifting

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 26, 2022 04:55 PM (GDRdq)

500 Right? I was all, wow, I guess slinging burgers at Wendy's pays pretty good in the Texas farmland.
Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2022 04:52 PM (14URa)

$15-16 bucks/hour to start here in WA State.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 26, 2022 04:56 PM (anj39)

501 But conservatives need to be able to call out poor performance when they see it. And this is that time.

^This. I'm sick and tired of their press conferences where they all suck each others dicks, pat each others backs and say what an awesome job they did.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 26, 2022 04:56 PM (nxdel)

502 I hate to get all tin foil hat-y but, you’re right something does not add up. At all. I’ll leave my theories in my brain for now.

Yeah, I'm not gonna go there either. Just the same, I have the same gut instinct.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 26, 2022 04:56 PM (Xrfse)

503 On the infrastructure side, one of the most important things that can be done is to put in multiple doors that don't open into the same hallway. Give the room occupants multiple exits, multiple chances to escape.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 26, 2022 04:54 PM (n+4am)


So this is the New Normal then.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at May 26, 2022 04:56 PM (AiZBA)

504 I think that is the wrong move in a school shooting. We can be critical of bad military strategy when wars go bad, same goes for LEOs. We can never improve unless we critique what went wrong.
Posted by: William Eaton at May 26, 2022 04:51 PM (d1L+g)

It has been considered wrong to wait since the Colorado shootings in the 90's. Police are supposed to immediately move in. One, you are to stop it from being a shooting gallery. Two, the perps often give up when confronted.

Posted by: WiNO at May 26, 2022 04:56 PM (EpDzw)

505 I implore you to please just let all the facts come out before tarring all US law enforcement with the same brush.

The other problem with this approach, setting aside the serial mal-/misfeasance of modern law enforcement, is that it's anyone's guess whether the facts will come out. We have a docile, biased, borderline-retarded media. Law enforcement immediately springs into CYA mode. And the government, at all levels, has not proved itself to be terribly transparent or honest. There comes a point at which expecting me to engage in good faith is just preposterous, a waste of my time.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 26, 2022 04:56 PM (ppBhU)

506 Larry Gatlin has pulled out of performing at the NRA convention.

Oh well.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:56 PM (ptqGC)

507 497 Then again maybe cops would feel a little more empowered to act if they weren't raked seven ways to Sunday every time they shoot a minority.
Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 04:55 PM (7q/0c)


If this is what they think of when kids are dying, they fucking deserve to be raked.

Posted by: Oldstoke at May 26, 2022 04:57 PM (sb+Cg)

508 461,468, thanks for response on Tigerswan. Sounds interesting.
Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 04:54 PM (Vr12I)

They are based in Fayetteville NC.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 26, 2022 04:57 PM (CcOog)

509 I've called local cops any number of times to report one of those crowded, muscle car parties (side-show) where hundreds of people watch cars burning rubber in circular patterns, only to be told, sorry, we're not coming because we are outnumbered.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 26, 2022 04:55 PM (jTmQV)

My one time calling 911 was when I was on my way to surgery on a unset broken arm I was being chased about LA by some crazy dude in a car. 911 wouldn't even connect me to the cops, but she was dismayed that I had parked on the median of the road to be able to call her at all.

Posted by: Oldcat at May 26, 2022 04:57 PM (eoQWY)

510 Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 26, 2022 04:55 PM (twla3)

Awesome story.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 26, 2022 04:57 PM (jNnu4)

511 The Commies are winning in that they have managed to turn us against our police (or they have turned the police against us, same thing).

Posted by: West at May 26, 2022 04:57 PM (QY+6a)

512 No way shooter was tranny -debunked.
He did wear a little eye liner when he was 12 though!?

Posted by: Glenn John at May 26, 2022 04:57 PM (HKku6)

513 But if the local yokels are going to allow chaos to reign anyway, just why the hell would their heretofore staunch allies on the political Right continue to support them?

Useless and malevolent is no way to go through life, kids.


Police exist to protect the criminals and their political sponsors. Without police and a judicial system, every crime turns into a capital crime.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 26, 2022 04:57 PM (AHeqJ)

514 Can't even think last time a school hostage only situation happened

Posted by: Skip at May 26, 2022 04:57 PM (2JoB8)

515 488 Howdy Peaches, how's life?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 26, 2022 04:54 PM (CcOog)

Geeg! My only saving grace at this point is that Indiana still has Coors Light and Parlies. Just watching my retirement funds swirl the drain and enjoying the crappy weather. How you doin'?

Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2022 04:58 PM (14URa)

516
He'll meet privately with the families and the moment it gets ugly, he's outta there. I doubt if he says anything publicly.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 26, 2022 04:53 PM (anj39)



We'll see how many line the streets telling him to go home.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:58 PM (Zz0t1)

517
There was a Washington Redskin several years back who was killed by home intruders one night. He got up from bed after hearing noises, one of the burglars shot through the bedroom door at him and hit him in the thigh. Nicked an artery and he bled out in minutes.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB
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Easy to do. That is why torniquets have come back in fashion. You might lose a limb but your life can be saved by them. Modern surgery techniques can also often save the limb today where previously they could not after application of the torniquet.

I keep kits with pressure bandages, a torniquet, and the magic clotting powder around for major trauma just in case.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 04:58 PM (Iq9dF)

518 Did the Uvalde cops go into the school to get their own children out while allowing the shooter to do what he wanted with the children he had inside the barricades?

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I understand your point. I can also see me doing exactly the same thing to save my own kid first. I know, I know, but that would be really hard not to do.

If it can be shown the same officer did nothing after saving their own kid, I will have a real problem with that part.

Posted by: jc at May 26, 2022 04:58 PM (N1WXz)

519 I think mentioning Beau's death would be bad form for the President.

Posted by: Axeman at May 26, 2022 04:58 PM (OaZlZ)

520 Most are not tarring all law enforcement, but we have seen this story before. The story is thus: police show up, treat it like a hostage situation, and set up a perimeter. Then wait 40 mins or so for the SWAT team to arrive.


When someone is actively SHOOTING THE HOSTAGES, it's not a hostage situation.

It's a killing situation.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 04:58 PM (oEoZw)

521
*Peaches*

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 26, 2022 04:58 PM (n+4am)

522 Posted by: Oldstoke at May 26, 2022 04:57 PM (sb+Cg)

Pretty much this. I would like to think if I was a cop on scene I would grab two or three dudes I trusted and said “let’s fucking go”

If I get fired? Fine.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 26, 2022 04:59 PM (jNnu4)

523 And welcome back Tammy Al-Thor

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 04:59 PM (XvPQV)

524 I implore you to please just let all the facts come out before tarring all US law enforcement with the same brush.

Posted by: Zombie Ronald Reagan, please save us! at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (lFzok)

That ship sailed a few years ago.
Posted by: WiNO at May 26, 2022 04:48 PM (EpDzw)

I might if you weren't whitewashing the guilty

Posted by: Oldcat at May 26, 2022 05:00 PM (eoQWY)

525 Larry Gatlin has pulled out of performing at the NRA convention.

And is demanding more government intervention.

His god is government.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 26, 2022 05:00 PM (AHeqJ)

526 >>> 506 has pulled out of performing at the NRA convention.

Oh well.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 04:56 PM (ptqGC)

Well.... bye.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 26, 2022 05:00 PM (llON8)

527 Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 26, 2022 04:55 PM (twla3)

Holy crap, the very last 'ette I expected to run into today. This has got us crawlin' out of the wormwood.
I just want to hug everybody!!

Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2022 05:00 PM (14URa)

528 293 The presence of President Dementia, his ss detail and the evil media will strip the memorial of any potential of dignity.
Posted by: Northernlurker, surgite at May 26, 2022 04:32 PM

According to Daily Mail, Megan Markle has already done that.

Posted by: one of the quiet ones at May 26, 2022 05:00 PM (pRzWi)

529 514 Can't even think last time a school hostage only situation happened

Posted by: Skip
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One happened around my area a few years ago. Those tend to not make the national news if few/no casualties are involved.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 05:00 PM (Iq9dF)

530 Good to see some old friends back today.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 26, 2022 05:00 PM (Xrfse)

531 I think mentioning Beau's death would be bad form for the President.

Which pretty much guarantees it to happen

Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 26, 2022 05:01 PM (AHeqJ)

532 322 I need some Hedy Lamarrs

No, it's Hedley!

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at May 26, 2022 05:01 PM (J3dd4)

533 495 Is setting up a perimeter SOP for these kinds of situations? If so, I am not yet prepared to be judgy about that......however, I am absolutely staggered that that wasn't one actual man among them who could not bear to think of a roomful of children being slaughtered, and decided "to hell with it, I'm going in."

God bless that BPA.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 26, 2022 04:55 PM (twla3)

It's protocol for a different situation, hostage type events. At first glance it looks like they're using the wrong protocol (perhaps not having been trained for active shooter events), but they're claiming they couldn't get in.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 05:01 PM (b2nrj)

534 There are at least 6 separate schools in the Uvalde ISD. There are six people in the Uvalde ISD Police Department: The Chief, one lieutenant, and 4 officers. You can all do the Ace-forbidden math and figure out that it was unlikely the Robb Elementary School had a full-time officer assigned.

https://www.ucisd.net/domain/1670

Posted by: Get on it, Wheels at May 26, 2022 05:01 PM (qhIbO)

535 "Remember, the courts have determined that police have absolutely no obligation to protect anyone from harm.

Posted by: radar"

I would hold that having the word "Protect" (ex: "To Protect and Serve") on your police cars would make that ruling invalid.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at May 26, 2022 05:01 PM (fv27Y)

536 How you doin'?
Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2022 04:58 PM (14URa)

Eh, as well as can be expected, given the circumstances. Mrs Hades has me busy doing landscaping and house projects when I'm not working like an idiot.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 26, 2022 05:01 PM (CcOog)

537
I mean, yeah? But that's like sailors not wanting to go on a ship because you might drown. Its kinda your damn job.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2022 04:52 PM (KZzsI)


There's a reason that the unofficial motto of the Coast Guard is "You have to go out. You don't have to come back."

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 26, 2022 05:01 PM (n+4am)

538 490 I've called local cops any number of times to report one of those crowded, muscle car parties (side-show) where hundreds of people watch cars burning rubber in circular patterns, only to be told, sorry, we're not coming because we are outnumbered.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 26, 2022 04:55 PM (jTmQV)

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No-Go Zones, a la France and third world shitholes ... but mostly third world shitholes.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at May 26, 2022 05:02 PM (8oyJF)

539 I think mentioning Beau's death would be bad form for the President.

That ship sailed when he started groping little girls on national TV

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2022 05:02 PM (KZzsI)

540 Well.... bye.

*snort. That never gets old.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 26, 2022 05:02 PM (nxdel)

541
The average shot & killed per week in Chicago so far for 2022 is 10.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at May 26, 2022 05:02 PM (sKPiu)

542 No one turned me against the police.
The police turned me against the police.
Additionally, the Chiefs of Police in my past have gone on to become the do-nothing D.A.s.
Gascon is one.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 26, 2022 05:02 PM (jTmQV)

543 When you've lost Larry Gatlin....

There are probably two or three others that you've lost as well.

Posted by: Axeman at May 26, 2022 05:02 PM (OaZlZ)

544 >>> 405 Federal Marshals cuffed this lady?

Are those the Border Patrol Agents?


The perp's handlers. They were performing overwatch to make sure the job got done.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 26, 2022 04:44 PM (AHeqJ)

Yet another milestone of "X years ago this would have been crazy talk" and now...

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 26, 2022 05:02 PM (llON8)

545 "I've gotten to know George Floyd's family over the years"


I guessing I've probably put food on their plates over the years when George didn't.

Posted by: x at May 26, 2022 05:02 PM (uQFwj)

546 Pretty much this. I would like to think if I was a cop on scene I would grab two or three dudes I trusted and said “let’s fucking go”

If I get fired? Fine.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 26, 2022 04:59 PM (jNnu4)


That's just it. Risk of death notwithstanding, you can save lives. If you do that, then the job is inconsequential. Things will work themselves out. I can tell you the conversation here would be very different, for one thing, and that sentiment takes care of people who get fired in situations like this.

Posted by: Oldstoke at May 26, 2022 05:02 PM (sb+Cg)

547 #345 You are correct. I worked 23+ yrs. on the TBL before, during and after Columbine. As someone who’d been trained to sit and wait for SWAT to arrive, it was hard to wrap my head around the concept of Active Shooter response (and it was NEVER about self-preservation, cowardice, collecting a pension, protecting a guild or any of that garbage. The point was driven home by the footage from VA Tech, where each gunshot you heard was an innocent being shot. That, plus the fact that I had two kids in primary schools at the time, made it a MUCH easier decision to run into the incident to end it without more carnage.

Posted by: Zombie Ronald Reagan, please save us! at May 26, 2022 05:03 PM (lFzok)

548 Husband of one of the slain teachers had a heart attack today and died.

RIP.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 26, 2022 05:03 PM (k+FB3)

549 Which pretty much guarantees it to happen

Then he'll grope some young girl in the audience.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 26, 2022 05:03 PM (nxdel)

550 141 Do any of you know how the shooter was actually killed?

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 04:14 PM (DcKNO)

Crushed by shelving.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 04:15 PM (Zz0t1)
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You mean Ace was there?

Posted by: Ciampino at May 26, 2022 05:03 PM (qfLjt)

551
Police exist to protect the criminals and their political sponsors. Without police and a judicial system, every crime turns into a capital crime.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 26, 2022 04:57 PM (AHeqJ)

Being related to the guy who killed that guy's cousin for raping his sister also becomes a capital crime.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 05:03 PM (b2nrj)

552 PEACHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 26, 2022 05:03 PM (twla3)

553 I would hold that having the word "Protect" (ex: "To Protect and Serve") on your police cars would make that ruling invalid.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at May 26, 2022 05:01 PM (fv27Y)
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Nope. Courts also found a right to lie as "free speech".

Posted by: Axeman at May 26, 2022 05:03 PM (OaZlZ)

554 Federal Marshals cuffed this lady?

Are those the Border Patrol Agents?

The perp's handlers. They were performing overwatch to make sure the job got done.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 26, 2022 04:44 PM (AHeqJ)

Yet another milestone of "X years ago this would have been crazy talk" and now...
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 26, 2022 05:02 PM (llON

A conspiracy theory today is more of spoiler warning

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 05:03 PM (XvPQV)

555 Eh, as well as can be expected, given the circumstances. Mrs Hades has me busy doing landscaping and house projects when I'm not working like an idiot.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 26, 2022 05:01 PM (CcOog)

So, situation normal? You know you love it. And I'm guessing you get to go for a little drive in the car now and then. :-)

Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2022 05:03 PM (14URa)

556 514 Can't even think last time a school hostage only situation happened
Posted by: Skip at May 26, 2022 04:57 PM (2JoB


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Exactly. Most of the time they enter to kill the kids, that is it.

Posted by: William Eaton at May 26, 2022 05:03 PM (AJoWv)

557 $1M locking system at LCHS is one more tool in a worst-case scenario, L.A. Times, Dec 4, 2019

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That seems like a great investment but could something installed for individual classroom safety be a curse/impediment with a shooter or other menace inside a locked room?

(Not meaning something like this is defective if any way but if there's no camera to see what's going on inside a room, what would be the protocol for unlocking the access door from outside or remotely? I suppose that may be part of the purchase and training packages. I don't know.)

Posted by: Lola at May 26, 2022 05:04 PM (NIYa7)

558 From the daily mail

Salvador Ramos arrived at Robb Elementary School at 11.40am on Tuesday morning after crashing his truck
Contrary to earlier reports, there was no school police resource officer there when he arrived
He walked 'unobstructed' into the school then police arrived four minutes later
He shot at them so they retreated - leaving him alone in the classroom with the children and teachers he killed
It took an hour for SWAT teams to arrive, break into the room and finally kill him while other kids hid
There is growing anger over the police response and the fact that some parents were held back from entering

I also heard during the presser that he crashed his truck at 10:28 and shots were fired outside the building.

Posted by: 7man at May 26, 2022 05:04 PM (qwO6y)

559 I've considered changing my nic to three sarc tags like "///" -- so if I ever do, you'll know it to me, brother.

;-)

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at May 26, 2022 04:55 PM (8oyJF)

LOL I'll bear it in mind

Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 05:04 PM (dscaa)

560 552 PEACHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 26, 2022 05:03 PM (twla3)

Too, too cosmic. xoxoxoxoxo

Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2022 05:04 PM (14URa)

561 I'm sure Joe will mention that he is in Uvalde on Sunday while Republicans are at the NRA convention.

Posted by: redridinghood at May 26, 2022 05:04 PM (NpAcC)

562 Pretty much this. I would like to think if I was a cop on scene I would grab two or three dudes I trusted and said “let’s fucking go”

If I get fired? Fine.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 26, 2022 04:59 PM (jNnu4)

Blitzkrieg beats sitzkrieg.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 26, 2022 05:04 PM (7bRMQ)

563 Snarking away the moments that make up the dull day...

Posted by: Axeman at May 26, 2022 04:50 PM (OaZlZ)

Waiting for someone or something to wake up Ace

Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 05:05 PM (dscaa)

564 Who the hell was in charge? Chief Wiggam?

Posted by: soft white underbelly at May 26, 2022 05:05 PM (q1wWS)

565 Biggest problem is that most classrooms have only one exit. Once the dickless murderer starts working on the door, the people inside are just fish in a barrel.

On the infrastructure side, one of the most important things that can be done is to put in multiple doors that don't open into the same hallway. Give the room occupants multiple exits, multiple chances to escape.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur
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Schools are designed to keep the students inside, not outsiders from coming in for the most part. The degree of retrofitting old classrooms would be huge but probably much less than the 40 billion sent off to Ukraine. Provide more jobs nationwide too.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 05:05 PM (Iq9dF)

566 FUCKING BASTARDS.

Posted by: MikeN at May 26, 2022 05:05 PM (Op4TT)

567
LOL I'll bear it in mind
Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 05:04 PM (dscaa)



I'll keep an eye out for it.

Posted by: Dan Crenshaw at May 26, 2022 05:06 PM (Zz0t1)

568 I would hold that having the word "Protect" (ex: "To Protect and Serve") on your police cars would make that ruling invalid.

Anywhere in that statement "To Protect and Serve" does it indicate you or the general public? With a little imagination can you think of anyone else who might be protected and served?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 26, 2022 05:06 PM (AHeqJ)

569 Mark Andrews, isn't it awesome to see some old regulars?!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 26, 2022 05:06 PM (twla3)

570 nood


Quickies

Posted by: banana Dream at May 26, 2022 05:07 PM (0fVbu)

571 'after crashing his truck'

So do the texts confirm that his target was the school, or did it just to be nearby when he crashed his truck?

Posted by: soft white underbelly at May 26, 2022 05:07 PM (q1wWS)

572 NOOD lum.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 05:07 PM (Zz0t1)

573 I think mentioning Beau's death would be bad form for the President.

Which pretty much guarantees it to happen

Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 26, 2022 05:01 PM (AHeqJ)

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I'm waiting for him to declare that this is "Trump's Ultra-MAGA America."

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at May 26, 2022 05:07 PM (8oyJF)

574 >>> 479
==
On the infrastructure side, one of the most important things that can be done is to put in multiple doors that don't open into the same hallway. Give the room occupants multiple exits, multiple chances to escape.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 26, 2022 04:54 PM (n+4am)

Honestly I wonder (and have for a while) why a single door can be permissible by local *fire* codes.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 26, 2022 05:07 PM (llON8)

575
Cabbie was telling me today how her mom's car got stolen, and they called the cops, who were disinterested, to say the least. So they drove around just looking for it, and lo and behold, found the damn car. In the deepest, darkest 'hood.

They call the cops back and tell them. The cops say wait there. They call back again. Same story. And again. For three and a half hours.

Finally, the gangbanging hoodlum who stole it comes out, and makes them, because they were the wrong color to be out there at dusk. He goes running for the stolen car, and they took off for fear of being shot. Car - gone.

Posted by: @TheRealWilliamHayes at May 26, 2022 05:07 PM (FIJ+3)

576 Husband of one of the slain teachers had a heart attack today and died.

RIP.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 26, 2022 05:03 PM (k+FB3)

And they left behind four children.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 05:07 PM (ptqGC)

577 So, situation normal? You know you love it. And I'm guessing you get to go for a little drive in the car now and then. :-)
Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2022 05:03 PM (14URa)

Now and then. I have a Jeep Wrangler now, too, so I have a drop-top to drive to work for the sunny days that I don't have to worry about getting dirty.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 26, 2022 05:09 PM (CcOog)

578 576 Husband of one of the slain teachers had a heart attack today and died.

RIP.

Posted by: Sharkman
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Broken Heart syndrome--my grandmother had a massive heart attack the day after my grandfather died. She lived through it but was unable to attend the funeral.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 05:09 PM (Iq9dF)

579 Two guys on NYPD's famed Stakeout Squad that battled robbers were called the Proctologists by the medical examiners as they preferred those shots--kept the robbers from running and harming others by dropping them.
Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 04:47 PM (Iq9dF)

I think they wrote a book about their experiences, I remember someone here on the book thread said it was a good read.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at May 26, 2022 05:09 PM (dKiJG)

580 Schools are designed to keep the students inside, not outsiders from coming in for the most part. The degree of retrofitting old classrooms would be huge but probably much less than the 40 billion sent off to Ukraine. Provide more jobs nationwide too.

When I was forced to attend government schools (it was the law); they were experimenting with open classrooms where an entire grade would occupy one of several wings of a large central core. The wing was subdivided with cabinets on wheels. For those with attention deficit problems it was a nightmare because one could easily see and hear what was going on in other "pods", and if another grade/wing was getting rowdy, we all could see and hear it.

There were, in effect, countless exits.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 26, 2022 05:09 PM (AHeqJ)

581 Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 26, 2022 05:06 PM (twla3)

===

**waves**

Posted by: jc at May 26, 2022 05:09 PM (N1WXz)

582 And they left behind four children.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 05:07 PM (ptqGC)

Youngest is 12. I can't even.

Posted by: Peaches at May 26, 2022 05:10 PM (14URa)

583 So Larry Gatlin, Larry Stewart, and Don McLean have all pulled out of the NRA convention as entertainers due to shooting. Gatlin has gone so far as to claim while he agrees with many of the NRA positions, he" believes background checks would be a step in the right direction to prevent tragedies such as this."

Apparently, Larry doesn't know the shooter bought his guns legally at a FFL dealer. These people are such cowards and run as fast as possible to not be tagged with bad PR.

Daniel Defense has also left the NRA convention. They are a huge supporter and their displays often take huge amounts of real estate at the convention.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 26, 2022 05:10 PM (WG9fZ)

584 400 72 The cops say that they can't protect you from crime, only show up later to catch the criminal but I didn't think they meant it this literally.
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Then they need to reword their slogan painted on their cars "To Protect And Serve". They do neither.

Posted by: Ciampino at May 26, 2022 04:44 PM (qfLjt)


Oh, that's just the marketing statement.

Posted by: West at May 26, 2022 05:10 PM (QY+6a)

585 Posted by: Zombie Ronald Reagan, please save us! at May 26, 2022 04:40 PM (lFzok)

Willing to give the cops and Feds the benefit of the doubt; I know there is surely some sort of training/protocol, whatever that is supposed to be followed.

Just really shocked that not one among them found it impossible to follow said protocol.

Also, seems as though said protocol needs to be updated, to say the least.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 26, 2022 05:11 PM (twla3)

586 Finally, the gangbanging hoodlum who stole it comes out, and makes them, because they were the wrong color to be out there at dusk. He goes running for the stolen car, and they took off for fear of being shot. Car - gone.

Posted by: @TheRealWilliamHayes
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Read up about the disgusting facts of Warren v. DC case that later was entrenched constitutionally in DeShaney v. Winnebago Cty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 05:12 PM (Iq9dF)

587 jc, my goodness, HOW ARE YOU?!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 26, 2022 05:12 PM (twla3)

588 Tell joe that Beau is happily running around at the farm.

Posted by: klaftern at May 26, 2022 05:13 PM (taPSh)

589 "Hey, that's kind of out of our control. Blue needs to clean it's own house instead of making excuses. "Not all are like that" doesn't fly anymore. Those that aren't like that don't seem to matter, do they? Instead they'll stick together out of solidarity. The biggest, most heavily armed gang in the world, and instead of running drugs, they deal in pensions, grift, and power-tripping.This is entirely on them, and if it leads to "tarring with a big brush" so be it. They did this, not me. I didn't make them wait an hour for those kids to die.
Posted by: Oldstoke at May 26, 2022 04:46 PM (sb+Cg) "

you even see it here, in the words of an otherwise sorta stand-up guy: "Texas state trooper Juan Maldonado said he went to the school with a friend whose wife was one of the teachers slain in the shooting.He said police were already on the scene, indicating a fast response time ... Mr. Maldonado said he and the friend were able to enter the building to get students out and showed cuts on his forearms that he said were from breaking windows to assist in that effort.

"I don't want to critique anything; we're here to be supportive of the community",

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - grateful for WWV ! at May 26, 2022 05:13 PM (+o2yA)

590 Daniel Defense has also left the NRA convention. They are a huge supporter and their displays often take huge amounts of real estate at the convention.

Posted by: Jen the original
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Defunct Remington Corporation had to pay out over Bushmaster after the CT school murderer used his stolen AR to do it literally over his dead mother's body. Prudent for Daniel Defense to hole up now.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 05:14 PM (Iq9dF)

591 587 jc, my goodness, HOW ARE YOU?!
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 26, 2022 05:12 PM (twla3)

===

fair to partly chubby. And you?

Posted by: jc at May 26, 2022 05:14 PM (N1WXz)

592 #481 Agree wholeheartedly

Posted by: Zombie Ronald Reagan, please save us! at May 26, 2022 05:14 PM (lFzok)

593 what he means is that the thin blue line will hang him out to dry if he breaks omerta

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - grateful for WWV ! at May 26, 2022 05:15 PM (+o2yA)

594 Willing to give the cops and Feds the benefit of the doubt; I know there is surely some sort of training/protocol, whatever that is supposed to be followed.

Just really shocked that not one among them found it impossible to follow said protocol. Also, seems as though said protocol needs to be updated, to say the least.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor
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Apparently the PD had an active school shooting drill relatively soon (month or so) before the shooting occurred. Be curious what that involved.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 05:16 PM (Iq9dF)

595 Castle rock Vs Gonzales.....

Being a resident of said city I'm under no illusion that my police are there to protect me.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable, now with ultra maga at May 26, 2022 05:18 PM (0OmEj)

596 Sad fact is there aren't enough cops to protect us all, so it is incumbent on us all to provide our own security...and to vigorously defend our right to do so, against all enemies foreign and domestic...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 26, 2022 05:21 PM (CcOog)

597 Pretty much this. I would like to think if I was a cop on scene I would grab two or three dudes I trusted and said “let’s fucking go”

If I get fired? Fine.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 26, 2022 04:59 PM (jNnu4)

And you would have the pick of any future job because of said actions.

Posted by: Beartooth at May 26, 2022 05:24 PM (NQrvS)

598 Update: Did the Uvalde cops go into the school to get their own children out while allowing the shooter to do what he wanted with the children he had inside the barricades?

well duh?? yes

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 26, 2022 05:30 PM (yrol0)

599 Off to work. Hell of a way to have to make a living, but there it is.

Later roonz and roonettez, fear no evil!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 26, 2022 05:32 PM (CcOog)

600 I think they wrote a book about their experiences, I remember someone here on the book thread said it was a good read.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio
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Might have been me. The book is Tales from the Stakeout Squad by Jim Cirrillo. Mas Ayoob was a good friend of Jim's for years and also has written his column about lessons learned.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 05:32 PM (Iq9dF)

601 There were, in effect, countless exits.

Posted by: Reuben Hick
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Knew teachers that taught in such, it was a nightmare for them and with today's schools would be even worse.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 05:33 PM (Iq9dF)

602 "My one time calling 911 was when I was on my way to surgery on a unset broken arm I was being chased about LA by some crazy dude in a car. 911 wouldn't even connect me to the cops, but she was dismayed that I had parked on the median of the road to be able to call her at all.

Posted by: Oldcat"

I've called them 3 times.

1: From a pay phone, to report a driver going wrong way at high speed. Was told to hang up and call the sheriff's department and I told them I couldn't cause I had no change.

2: A Dumpster near my home was on fire. They said it wasn't an emergency and I asked "So, when the tire store the dumpster is beside catches on fire, should I call you again or is that not an emergency also?"

3: Homeless guy beating up his girlfriend. This one they actually responded to rapidly.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at May 26, 2022 05:34 PM (fv27Y)

603 #416 CBD I hear you, there have been colossal screw-ups in the past, admittedly (Marjorie Stoneman Douglas!). That said, please be reminded of the successful LE responses to AS situations that have occurred since Columbine. At times, even off-duty LEOs, without backup, body armor or radio, ended Active Shooter situations on their own. I guess my earlier point (such as it was) simply reflected my feeling that facts should come in before blanket judgements are made. (BTW I agree with the posters who make the point about questions going unanswered and/or facts being covered up. I experienced it myself; what a horrific situation that was!)

Posted by: Zombie Ronald Reagan, please save us! at May 26, 2022 05:36 PM (lFzok)

604 Why didn't the cops or feds handcuff the lunatic psycho fuckstick who was shooting neighbors and other locals with a BB gun?

"You" shoot me with a BB gun and "you're" going to have a life-changing experience.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 26, 2022 05:41 PM (BP3/z)

605 Police are the enemy.

Elected sheriffs are a different story. Municipal police exist to protect the bureaucrats.

Thank those heroes in blue for their service. Let's give them a round of applause.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at May 26, 2022 05:43 PM (pX8PG)

606 #600 whig

Great books, wonderful resources. I actually thought the two Caliber Press “Street Survival” books were pretty good too (although they were very dated when I read them).

Posted by: Zombie Ronald Reagan, please save us! at May 26, 2022 06:08 PM (lFzok)

607 A chest shot to someone that's wearing body armor is going to, for at least a few seconds, stun or break the focus of the perp. Three (or more) seconds for you to get more shots off toward the head or the groin.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 26, 2022 06:11 PM (Qhnrt)

608 Its the Principal who should be arrested and the School Board group as well

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at May 26, 2022 06:16 PM (wGqjj)

609 Remember several years ago when a lover of the Religion of Peace attempted to murder people on a train in France and an American didn't sit around waiting for someone else to do something but be the ever living shit out of the goat fucker?

Something from all this tells me that American Courage is dead.

Posted by: Citizen Freeman at May 26, 2022 06:40 PM (FPuSC)

610 ^*beat, that is

Posted by: Citizen Freeman at May 26, 2022 06:44 PM (FPuSC)

611 Unbelievable that children were being slaughtered and they just stood around holding their dicks.

Erm, their dicks? that is assuming a fact not in evidence....

Same shit at Columbine. Same shit in Florida. Cops standing around, or crouched behind their cars, waiting for the mass murderer to run out of bullets. Courts don't help: they've ruled that the police have NO duty to protect. So forget the "to protect and to serve" motto.

Posted by: Beverly at May 26, 2022 08:06 PM (ws6kw)

612 247: the cops are civilians. Police in this country are not subject to the UCMJ.

Posted by: Cow Demon at May 26, 2022 08:43 PM (CdZ4i)

613 Next time, the locals aren't going to be asking the cops to lend their gear.

Posted by: Richard AUBREY at May 26, 2022 10:47 PM (dSnnl)

614
UK Guardian, as mentioned above:
https://archive.ph/BkKMm

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