The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition

It is axiomatic that a free society will have to tolerate a degree of chaos that does not exist in authoritarian societies. Free speech is chaotic. Free association is chaotic. Freedom to move about without government permission is pure chaos. The freedom to create and innovate and destroy and rebuild better without government interference is the hallmark of freedom, and what has been the hallmark of America for much of its history.

And yes, the inalienable right to self defense...our God-given right to protect ourselves from the depredations of our fellow man and, if necessary, our government is chaotic in comparison to the typical authoritarian regime's stance against an armed citizenry. That is not to say that those governments can keep their people safe. On the contrary, just to our south is a country that has draconian gun-control laws, yet has a murder rate 4.5 times that of the United States.

And take a look at the U.S. Virgin Islands, with their strict gun laws...the worst murder rate in the entire world! Jamaica isn't much better, and their laws are incredibly strict.

Here's a predictably squishy and inaccurate article listing some of the proposed "reforms" being bandied about by our political masters. Not a single one addresses the vast majority of the gun violence in America: its inner cities are rife with violent criminals who are still on the street because America does not take gun crime seriously. Those criminals have their gun crimes pleaded down to nothing, are released without bail, return to the streets to commit more crimes and eventually murder.

What reforms are on the table after the Uvalde school tragedy?

These feel-good proposals are nothing more than an attack on the vast majority of gun owners who are almost perfectly law abiding and in fact commit gun crimes at a lower rate than American policemen! Regulating gun ownership without taking seriously most of the violent crime committed with firearms has nothing to do with crime, and everything to do with the left's desire to disarm America, because an armed America is much less vulnerable to exactly the sort of government that the left wants for us: a dictatorial socialist regime with unlimited power over every facet of society.

Perhaps the elites in the halls of power should consider the degradation of society that their policies have caused...the destruction of religion, of the family, the celebration of abortion...they are far more responsible for the lack of respect for human life than scary looking rifles and standard capacity magazines.

Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM

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1 Howdy!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 26, 2022 11:00 AM (zvlmG)

2 Who reads content?

Posted by: Bensdad00 at May 26, 2022 11:00 AM (m9Z12)

3 Happy buzzing everyone.

Posted by: Ciampino at May 26, 2022 11:01 AM (qfLjt)

4 Called em

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 26, 2022 11:01 AM (zvlmG)

5 Damned king harv jumping ad first again.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at May 26, 2022 11:01 AM (0mUYx)

6 Well, they could try enforcing the gun laws we already have....nah.

Posted by: BignJames at May 26, 2022 11:02 AM (AwYPR)

7 King Harv often catches me

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at May 26, 2022 11:02 AM (EGSGm)

8 Top ten!

Posted by: Squid at May 26, 2022 11:03 AM (xtjw3)

9 All hail our elites for they will provide a safe and secure future!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 11:03 AM (iDcra)

10 MONSTER UNIVERSE MITT ROMNEY NOW WITH FDE

You DICK!

-- Jeff Spicoli

Posted by: Sharkman at May 26, 2022 11:03 AM (GArKj)

11 Vet fathers and grandfathers. If they pass muster let them serve as unpaid armed guards at the school.

Posted by: mr tmz at May 26, 2022 11:03 AM (rJ48h)

12 Our government droned a bus full of orphans in Afghanistan and said "Shit happens".

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 26, 2022 11:04 AM (eovkY)

13 Here's a reform: Don't let cops lock the active shooter in with kids and wait around outside

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at May 26, 2022 11:04 AM (EGSGm)

14 15th

Posted by: JohnFNotKerry at May 26, 2022 11:04 AM (UClYt)

15 Notice what is NEVER on the table? Well aside from locking criminals up in the first place, Hollytwit, violent movies, video games, music etc. I am not nor would never call for a ban, but when do they get publically shamed?

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 11:04 AM (GwxCX)

16 The pure ignorance of the gun grabbers is astounding. If there were not a compliant media none of it would grab any traction.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 11:05 AM (iDcra)

17 14 Here's a reform: Don't let cops lock the active shooter in with kids and wait around outside
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Yep. And have a dozen teachers armed in every school. Just let the tranny teachers have any guns.

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 26, 2022 11:05 AM (tiR3O)

18 The "Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act" is what is on the table in Congress.

Which will target the DemonRat Party's political opponents, protect the real domestic terrorists, PantyFa and BLM, from prosecution, and do nothing to protect our students.

Fuck you, Brandon. And fuck you, too, Schumer and Pelosi.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 26, 2022 11:05 AM (GArKj)

19 Say what you will about Abbot, but his line about NYC having high murder rates with very strict gun laws is spot on.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 11:05 AM (GwxCX)

20 Willowed, re: the Beatles: You don't get it because you weren't listening to the music at the time. They sounded different, fresh. You can't look back and understand that.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 26, 2022

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I was about 10 when, listening to my Christmas gift transistor radio, I first heard the Beatles. At first I thought the name was spelled like the insect. They did sound great. But there was a lot of good Top 40 pop tunes back then -- Dean Martin and Sinatra still had a couple of Top 40 hits in the early and mid-'60s.

I think part of the reason of the near-veneration of the Beatles is that they *looked* different, but not so weird as to turn off the teenage high school girls who bought records. The Fab Four in 1964 were pretty clean-cut compared to musicians 10-15 years later.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 26, 2022 11:06 AM (txdEq)

21 Just DON'T let the tranny teachers have any guns.

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 26, 2022 11:06 AM (tiR3O)

22 Before legislation is considered, answers to some questions are needed:
1) How did the shooter get into the school? Aren't doors supposed to be locked?

2) Why did it take an hour before someone went into the school to confront the shooter? LEO was there for 1 hour. WTF?

3) Shooter had a history of shooting people (mostly women) with a BB/pellet gun. Shooter had numerous encounters with police when he lived with his mother. Domestic Violence? Which, btw, is a disqualifier for purchasing a weapon legally.

4) The school system in Uvalde had their own police department. Think about that. For a town with a population of around 16,000 - their school had their own police force. Where were they?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 11:06 AM (N39Ws)

23 Perhaps the elites in the halls of power should consider the degradation of society that their policies have caused...the destruction of religion, of the family, the celebration of abortion...they are far more responsible for the lack of respect for human life than scary looking rifles and standard capacity magazines.

Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM

Ignoring it has long been cost free to them, though it won't be forever.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 11:07 AM (b2nrj)

24 The usual suspects are talking about universal background checks again. Uhm hello? McFly?? Anyone home? The shooter passed a background check. Because he had no criminal record.

And they are trotting out the lie of 90% support for it. Which is 1000% bullshit. But it has become accepted like the women make 70 cents on the dollar number. Nobody questions the number. It just is.

Propaganda is a hell of thing.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 26, 2022 11:07 AM (foEeQ)

25 When you import third-world shitholers you get third world shithole violence.

There is nothing magical about the soil in America that makes it safer than other countries, it's the culture that provides civilization.

The more you destroy America's culture the worse the shit will get. We can tiptoe around the issue, but it's not going away.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 26, 2022 11:07 AM (eovkY)

26 I think part of the reason of the near-veneration of the Beatles is that they *looked* different, but not so weird as to turn off the teenage high school girls who bought records. The Fab Four in 1964 were pretty clean-cut compared to musicians 10-15 years later.
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They also were very talented. Look at their songbook. They did that in less than 10 years. Remarkable.

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 26, 2022 11:07 AM (tiR3O)

27 There's a lot wrong with the narrative coming out of Uvalde. That needs to be addressed before anything else.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 26, 2022 11:07 AM (BFigT)

28 They want our guns because they want to keep us safe.

Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 11:07 AM (H5x6m)

29 And take a look at the U.S. Virgin Islands, with their strict gun laws...the worst murder rate in the entire world! Jamaica isn't much better, and their laws are incredibly strict.

One of my brothers spent a whole lot of time in both when he worked for the government. He always said, everything you hear about not leaving the tourist zones is true times 1000.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 26, 2022 11:08 AM (HsAzN)

30 Think about that. For a town with a population of around 16,000 - their school had their own police force. Where were they?

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One of two guesses.

1. Watching porn
2. Eating donuts

Or I guess 3, watching porn while eating donuts.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 26, 2022 11:08 AM (foEeQ)

31 They also were very talented. Look at their songbook. They did that in less than 10 years. Remarkable.

Pfffft. I could do better.

Posted by: President Toonces at May 26, 2022 11:09 AM (ZsR3z)

32 Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 26, 2022 11:06 AM (txdEq)

Maybe pay attention to a serious topic for the first few comments?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 11:09 AM (XIJ/X)

33 Christina Pushaw 🐊 @ChristinaPushaw; 27m
Cody Ytuarte is the man who interrupted Beto O'Rourke's political grandstanding yesterday. His little cousin was shot in the Uvalde attack. Reminder to political opportunists like Beto and others, to stop exploiting these families' grief and have some respect.

https://nitter.net/ChristinaPushaw/status/
1529834906452467713#m

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at May 26, 2022 11:09 AM (yikp0)

34 My gut says there are going to be more, perhaps many more, young people mass shootings because of the social disruption from the democrat covid lockdowns.

Kids are not connecting as they were mandated not to. Empathy was/is not being instilled. Now do I believe it was a longterm goal of the far left democrats to make a generation of sociopaths? Maybe it just worked out for them but I do believe it is what leftists wanted.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 11:09 AM (iDcra)

35 i don't think all teachers should be armed, but neither should none of them be. But every school, and indeed every place where people gather in regular groups, should have "responsible armed persons". In schools, there should be at least one such, by law, but mot limited to one.

"Responsible armed persons" should be vetted, trained, and required to maintain their skills at the range, and be regarded as auxiliary Sheriff's deputies. And they should get a bit of a pay boost for undertaking to do this job.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 26, 2022 11:09 AM (0upl8)

36 I'd of been top ten but you had me at chaos.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 26, 2022 11:10 AM (anj39)

37 33 Christina Pushaw @ChristinaPushaw; 27m
Cody Ytuarte is the man who interrupted Beto O'Rourke's political grandstanding yesterday. His little cousin was shot in the Uvalde attack. Reminder to political opportunists like Beto and others, to stop exploiting these families' grief and have some respect.

https://nitter.net/ChristinaPushaw/status/
1529834906452467713#m
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at May 26, 2022 11:09 AM (yikp0)

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"We are doing this for you, you stupid peasants."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 26, 2022 11:10 AM (LvTSG)

38 Always read content after commenting first
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Posted by: Skip's phone at May 26, 2022 11:10 AM (fvqsI)

39 Very few people, and certainly none on the Left, want to have an honest adult conversation about this. The problem isn't guns, it's mental health, and the increasing instability being manifested in the youth today - as seen mostly in increasing suicide rates, but also in the extreme violence as seen in Uvalde.

One idea is for LOCAL officials to have legally sanctioned mental intervention teams who can receive and investigate anonymous reports of disturbing, but not otherwise illegal behavior. For example, back when Salvador Ramos took a knife and started carving designs into his face with it, somebody official should have been told and some action should have been taken right then. Instead, no one did anything and the human time bomb started ticking.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 11:10 AM (trdmm)

40 that looks about right

Posted by: yoeman at May 26, 2022 11:12 AM (BYNHj)

41 Before legislation is considered, answers to some questions are needed:
1) How did the shooter get into the school? Aren't doors supposed to be locked?

2) Why did it take an hour before someone went into the school to confront the shooter? LEO was there for 1 hour. WTF?

3) Shooter had a history of shooting people (mostly women) with a BB/pellet gun. Shooter had numerous encounters with police when he lived with his mother. Domestic Violence? Which, btw, is a disqualifier for purchasing a weapon legally.

4) The school system in Uvalde had their own police department. Think about that. For a town with a population of around 16,000 - their school had their own police force. Where were they?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 11:06 AM

SMDH, so fkd up. Can I ask where you are seeing some of this?

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 11:12 AM (GwxCX)

42 Good Lord. Pfizer documents show that women’s breast milk turned blue green.

The depopulation event is here.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 26, 2022 11:12 AM (WdnMu)

43 their school had their own police force. Where were they?

Probably in mandatory DEI training. Or, more seriously, probably at the high school which is where you are more likely to expect trouble.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 26, 2022 11:13 AM (nfrXX)

44 My bad CBD I forgot the 100 comment rule.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 26, 2022 11:13 AM (WdnMu)

45 The shooting brought to the forefront one of the 10 mental defects common in all Leftists.

The inability to determine cause and effect.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 26, 2022 11:13 AM (jNAzB)

46 back when Salvador Ramos took a knife and started carving designs into his face with it, somebody official should have been told and some action should have been taken right then.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 11:10 AM (trdmm)

Based on what law? And who gets to decide?

This is the chaos I discussed in the post. We have to tolerate chaotic behavior because it is inextricably linked with freedom.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 11:13 AM (XIJ/X)

47 I'm assuming the murder rate among NRA members is zero or virtually zero.

Posted by: Emmie at May 26, 2022 11:13 AM (6RgRK)

48 America's Dark Age. Hope it doesn't totally consume the idea of freedom. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 26, 2022 11:13 AM (Qhnrt)

49 38 Always read content after commenting first
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COMMENT FIRST
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Posted by: HORTA at May 26, 2022 11:14 AM (oY6Yp)

50 Good Lord. Pfizer documents show that women’s breast milk turned blue green.

The depopulation event is here.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 26, 2022 11:12 AM (WdnMu)
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And another piece of the government made baby formula shortage falls into place.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 11:14 AM (iDcra)

51 The reforms mentioned at the link are insulting. Red Flag laws are the worst. The result will be thousands of molon labe moments.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 26, 2022 11:14 AM (anj39)

52 America's Dark Age. Hope it doesn't totally consume the idea of freedom.
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It already is.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 26, 2022 11:14 AM (NhLwH)

53 Proof Leftism is a major cause of destruction of society look at every city released criminals as much as they can.

Posted by: Skip's phone at May 26, 2022 11:15 AM (fvqsI)

54 My bad CBD I forgot the 100 comment rule.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One

That's only on the Art Thread ......

Posted by: JT at May 26, 2022 11:15 AM (arJlL)

55 Willowed

465 It was true tho, and Ringo would agree. McCartney was better.

The worst drum track of any Beatles song is Back in the USSR and McCartney played those drums. Ringo is a superb drummer. Ask George Martin if you don’t believe me.
Posted by: Squid at May 26, 2022 11:02 AM (xtjw3

I think McCartney played drums on Dear Prudence? But your statement still stands, listen to the drumming at the end of Dear Prudence.

Posted by: Tofer732 at May 26, 2022 11:15 AM (GcxM3)

56 42 Good Lord. Pfizer documents show that women’s breast milk turned blue green.

That's the Pacific Cooler flavor. You're welcome, peasants.

Posted by: Your Medical Overlords. at May 26, 2022 11:15 AM (HsAzN)

57 per previous thread

Galaxy Quest casting, they probably wanted Jamie Lee Curtis but got Sigourney Weaver. They wanted a comedy resume but settled for a sci-fi resume. She was fine in the movie though.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 26, 2022 11:15 AM (44ww/)

58 This is the chaos I discussed in the post. We have to tolerate chaotic behavior because it is inextricably linked with freedom.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 11:13 AM (XIJ/X)

Did we ( the taxpayer ) have to get involved with / pay for this individuals chaotic behavior? That's my bar for getting involved.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 26, 2022 11:15 AM (jNAzB)

59 Frustrated onlookers urged police officers to charge into the Texas elementary school where a gunman':s rampage killed 19 children and two teachers, witnesses said Wednesday, as investigators worked to track the massacre that lasted upwards of 40 minutes and ended when the 18-year-old shooter was killed by a Border Patrol team.

"Go in there! Go in there!" nearby women shouted at the officers soon after the attack began, said Juan Carranza, 24, who saw the scene from outside his house, across the street from Robb Elementary School in the close-knit town of Uvalde. Carranza said the officers did not go in.

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It's easy for me to criticize from the safety of my family room but it is difficult to see the benefit of waiting. I assume gunshots could be heard.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 11:16 AM (FVME7)

60 24 The usual suspects are talking about universal background checks again. Uhm hello? McFly?? Anyone home? The shooter passed a background check. Because he had no criminal record.

what bugs me is that the usual suspects seem to have decided that 18 year olds shouldn't be able to buy guns.

Posted by: kulak anachronda at May 26, 2022 11:16 AM (oY6Yp)

61 At the center of the Venn diagram that describes all this are Democrats.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 26, 2022 11:16 AM (BFigT)

62 A Moron said it best yesterday.

If the death of a child removes everyone's 'rights' then I'd like to discuss abortion.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 11:16 AM (oEoZw)

63 Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 11:10 AM (trdmm)

I think you are right.

The problem is, who is going to evaluate and how will they evaluate.

For instance, I think that if you say "Men can have babies" and genuinely believe that, then you are delusional.

However, from the local school board all the way up to the President, and from mental health professional to highly trained surgeon, they all agree with that. So how will we reasonably judge aggressive behavior?

Remember, the government thinks by voting for Trump and going to school board meetings, that you have dangerous, unhinged predispositions.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 26, 2022 11:16 AM (eovkY)

64 I think McCartney played drums on Dear Prudence? But your statement still stands, listen to the drumming at the end of Dear Prudence.
Posted by: Tofer732 at May 26, 2022 11:15 AM (GcxM3)

I hate that song and I'm not a Beatles hater.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 26, 2022 11:17 AM (jNAzB)

65 Based on what law? And who gets to decide?

This is the chaos I discussed in the post. We have to tolerate chaotic behavior because it is inextricably linked with freedom.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 11:13 AM (XIJ/X)

Not enough chaos in Uvalde, i guess. With a suitable level of chaos, some local posse would have whacked that rat-puke kid, and dumped his sorry ass in an unmarked grave.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 26, 2022 11:17 AM (0upl8)

66 42 Good Lord. Pfizer documents show that women’s breast milk turned blue green.

as prophesied by disney in the recent star wars documentaries.

Posted by: kulak anachronda at May 26, 2022 11:17 AM (oY6Yp)

67 As long as the usual suspects keep going to gun control as their answer to school security, I will know that they are not being honest brokers and I can ignore them.

If they want to discuss school security, I'm happy to have that conversation. But they need to check their biases at the door.

I'm not holding my breath.

Honestly, the answer with be someone like DeSantis ramming real school security through over the objections of Democrats and showing a model of how to protect these target rich environments.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 26, 2022 11:17 AM (Y+RxB)

68 For instance, I think that if you say "Men can have babies" and genuinely believe that, then you are delusional.

However, from the local school board all the way up to the President, and from mental health professional to highly trained surgeon, they all agree with that. So how will we reasonably judge aggressive behavior?

They are all delusional.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 11:18 AM (oEoZw)

69 Media puts psychological bomb vests on the young and unstable.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 26, 2022 11:18 AM (11HuK)

70
Based on what law? And who gets to decide?

This is the chaos I discussed in the post. We have to tolerate chaotic behavior because it is inextricably linked with freedom.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 11:13 AM (XIJ/X)

There's no law now that would allow it. Hence the dilemma; do we deal with this by coming up with some way to screen for mental illness at an early stage and head it off, or do we simply turn every installation into a version of a medieval walled fortress with armed guards at every entrance?

I remember reading a soldier's account that being in the back country of Afghanistan was like being in the land of 40,000 Alamo's. Every building everywhere was surrounded by 10 foot tall mud brick walls with firing positions located at strategic points. Is that what we want to become? Is that what we have to become?

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 11:18 AM (trdmm)

71 42 Good Lord. Pfizer documents show that women’s breast milk turned blue green.

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What?
Link?

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at May 26, 2022 11:18 AM (okIP3)

72 >>> Good Lord. Pfizer documents show that women’s breast milk turned blue green.

That's the Pacific Cooler flavor. You're welcome, peasants.
Posted by: Your Medical Overlords. at May 26, 2022 11:15 AM (HsAzN)

Blueberry. I wonder if you can get strawberry and chocolate right/left. That would be nice. Or both for neopolitan, just need a little vanilla. I wonder if you can make the bubbly gurgle sound by blowing like you could with straws?

Posted by: banana Dream at May 26, 2022 11:18 AM (QzpS1)

73 southpaw
@nycsouthpaw
According to officials:
- the shooter went in a classroom and locked the door
- police on scene left him in there
- when border patrol showed up they couldn’t break down the door
- after 40-60m they got a member of the school staff to unlock it with a key

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If there were only some way to defeat a locked door!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 11:19 AM (FVME7)

74 Nothing should be done except enforcement of current law. This kid should have had a record a mile long, and probably been serving juvie time til 21, and then he would have been disallowed a "legal" weapon anyway.

So, we should adopt an "enforce the current damn laws before we add any more" slogan...

Posted by: Nova local at May 26, 2022 11:19 AM (exHjb)

75 >>One of my brothers spent a whole lot of time in both when he worked for the government. He always said, everything you hear about not leaving the tourist zones is true times 1000.

We used to go to St. Thomas for weekend trips when I lived in PR. We made the mistake one time of wandering off the beaten path in Charlotte Amalie when we were looking to buy food.

The local ganja boys made it clear to us at the tip of some very pointy knives we could not dance with their dates.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 26, 2022 11:19 AM (ZLI7S)

76 Good Lord. Pfizer documents show that women’s breast milk turned blue green.

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Just like the kid gypsy woman said!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 11:21 AM (FVME7)

77 I like french fries.

Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 11:21 AM (H5x6m)

78 Nothing should be done except enforcement of current law. This kid should have had a record a mile long, and probably been serving juvie time til 21, and then he would have been disallowed a "legal" weapon anyway.

So, we should adopt an "enforce the current damn laws before we add any more" slogan...

Posted by: Nova local at May 26, 2022 11:19 AM (exHjb)
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Please stop making sense!

Posted by: The Democrat Party at May 26, 2022 11:21 AM (iDcra)

79 That's only on the Art Thread ......

Posted by: JT at May 26, 2022 11:15 AM (arJlL)

It's rigorously enforced on the Art Thread. It is an informal rule for all of the cobloggers and open bloggers.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 11:21 AM (XIJ/X)

80 I hate the phrase 'gun violence'. It's inherently pejorative. All violence is violence, whether you use a rock, a bat, or a Glock.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 11:22 AM (XvPQV)

81 The local ganja boys made it clear to us at the tip of some very pointy knives we could not dance with their dates.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 26, 2022 11:19 AM (ZLI7S)

Went on a cruise that stopped in Jamaica with a group of friends . One friend decided he was going to look for someone to sell him some weed. He came back with no weed and no money .

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 26, 2022 11:22 AM (jNAzB)

82 41 Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 11:12 AM (GwxCX)

Here are the "receipts":
Question 1: See Youtube video. Go to about 1:25 in.
https://tinyurl.com/mv5y6jwc

Question 2: Article on MarketWatch on police delaying entering school: https://tinyurl.com/yeuk8mwz

Question 3: Background info on shooter including info on him shooting people with BB gun. Goes to LA Times
https://tinyurl.com/yck7b7xj

Question 4: From ABC News. School system had their own police department including 4 officers.
https://tinyurl.com/4a6kt4vw

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 11:22 AM (N39Ws)

83 76 Good Lord. Pfizer documents show that women’s breast milk turned blue green.

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Just like the kid gypsy woman said!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 11:21 AM (FVME7)

I miss when Archer was funny

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 11:22 AM (XvPQV)

84 wonder if you can get strawberry and chocolate right/left

Milk, milk, lemonade
Around the corner fudge is made

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at May 26, 2022 11:22 AM (0mUYx)

85 Universal background checks? Alpha Centauri has to sign off?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 11:23 AM (FVME7)

86 Full thread about Cody Ytuarte, the man who interrupted Beto O'Rourke's political grandstanding yesterday. Great stuff.

https://nitter.net/danielmarans/status/
1529544027586154497#m

Here as Thread-Reader readable ordinary webpage.
https://tinyurl.com/yaktbv7z

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at May 26, 2022 11:23 AM (yikp0)

87 Guess what tool kills more people than AR-15s every year?

Hammers.

Time for common sense hammer control.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 11:23 AM (iDcra)

88 It's rigorously enforced on the Art Thread. It is an informal rule for all of the cobloggers and open bloggers.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

It IS ?

Posted by: JT at May 26, 2022 11:23 AM (arJlL)

89 >>> Milk, milk, lemonade
Around the corner fudge is made
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at May 26, 2022 11:22 AM (0mUYx)

That's simultaneously one of the more disgusting and funny things I've seen in a long time.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 26, 2022 11:24 AM (QzpS1)

90 My bad CBD I forgot the 100 comment rule.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One
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That's only on the Art Thread ......
Posted by: JT at May 26, 2022

***
I thought that too. . . .

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 26, 2022 11:24 AM (txdEq)

91 Speaking of pop music, there was a hit song in the '60's or '70's about a kid whose elder brother became a werewolf. Dad took care of the problem with a silver bullet. Remember that?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 26, 2022 11:24 AM (0upl8)

92 One idea is for LOCAL officials to have legally sanctioned mental intervention teams who can receive and investigate anonymous reports of disturbing, but not otherwise illegal behavior. For example, back when Salvador Ramos took a knife and started carving designs into his face with it, somebody official should have been told and some action should have been taken right then. Instead, no one did anything and the human time bomb started ticking.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 11:10 AM (trdmm)

while i like the idea in principal, leftists have already proven they'd use it to abuse and/or remove their political opponents. they have no issues SWATING us, what makes one think they wouldn't report us daily, just becuase we're conservative, so must be mentally deficient...

Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at May 26, 2022 11:24 AM (p03vF)

93 42 Good Lord. Pfizer documents show that women’s breast milk turned blue green.

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What?
Link?
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion

Awww....you don't want that ......

Posted by: JT at May 26, 2022 11:24 AM (arJlL)

94 Time Magazine accidentally tells the truth, issues correction.

TIME@TIME
Correction: Beto O'Rourke confronts Texas Gov. Abbott about gun control during Uvalde press conference https://ti.me/38jVrxH

The original version of this tweet misspelled Beto O’Rourke's name. It is Beto, not Beta

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 11:24 AM (FVME7)

95 24
Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 26, 2022 11:07 AM (foEeQ)

Sorry for getting twitchy about music, of all things, with you last thread, Joe.

Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 11:25 AM (Vr12I)

96 hate the phrase 'gun violence'.

Newspeak

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at May 26, 2022 11:25 AM (0mUYx)

97 They call him The Double Hammer Basher.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 26, 2022 11:25 AM (yJ2hI)

98 Is that what we want to become? Is that what we have to become?
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 11:18 AM (trdmm)

*shifty eyes*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 11:25 AM (XvPQV)

99 85 Universal background checks? Alpha Centauri has to sign off?

and the goa'uld

Posted by: kulak anachronda at May 26, 2022 11:25 AM (oY6Yp)

100 what bugs me is that the usual suspects seem to have decided that 18 year olds shouldn't be able to buy guns.

They can't buy a beer. One of those things is wrong. I'm open to discussing which one.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 26, 2022 11:25 AM (nfrXX)

101 42 Good Lord. Pfizer documents show that women’s breast milk turned blue green.
__________

Eh, no big deal.

So the babies will have an aqua-colored milk moustache after feeding! It's cute!

Posted by: Pfizer at May 26, 2022 11:26 AM (MvHI3)

102 Guess what tool kills more people than AR-15s every year?

Hammers.

Time for common sense hammer control.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 11:23 AM (iDcra)

Don't give the UK any ideas.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 11:26 AM (XvPQV)

103 85 Universal background checks? Alpha Centauri has to sign off?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 11:23 AM (FVME7)

Well, no more goin to Earth to meet Earthgirls anymore... even if they are easy, and like Anal Probing...

Posted by: Blort, from the Wolf Nebula at May 26, 2022 11:26 AM (oHd/0)

104 102 Guess what tool kills more people than AR-15s every year?

Hammers.

Time for common sense hammer control.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 11:23 AM (iDcra)

Don't give the UK any ideas.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 11:26 AM (XvPQV)

Bet it's already a thing there.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 11:26 AM (b2nrj)

105 We talk about the "old days", and how things like this didn't happen then. Part of the reason is because local men who were aware would have seen this problem in "the old days" and put a stop to it one way or the other early. And they would not have worried about any "law" or "courts" to do what needed doing.

The law would have reciprocated by agreeing to tactfully ignore those doing what needed to be done. It's an imperfect system, but it's what used to hold things together.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 11:26 AM (trdmm)

106 Jukin that's my line
( looks behind to make sure hammer is in tool belt and not roaming around in search of trouble.)

Posted by: Skip's phone at May 26, 2022 11:26 AM (fvqsI)

107 I've adopted a new policy when discussing this with people that think "something must be done".

My new policy is to tell them that the same number of children killed at Uvalde are killed every 15 minutes at an abortion clinic. All day. Every day.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 26, 2022 11:26 AM (eovkY)

108 46 back when Salvador Ramos took a knife and started carving designs into his face with it, somebody official should have been told and some action should have been taken right then.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 11:10 AM (trdmm)

Based on what law? And who gets to decide?

This is the chaos I discussed in the post. We have to tolerate chaotic behavior because it is inextricably linked with freedom.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 11:13 AM (XIJ/X)

========

This type of self-harm seems like it might be best addressed in a mental institution.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 26, 2022 11:26 AM (LvTSG)

109 I've seen in a long time.

Gift from a kindergarten classmate

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at May 26, 2022 11:27 AM (0mUYx)

110 87 Guess what tool kills more people than AR-15s every year?

Hammers.

Time for common sense hammer control.
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Ban the 30 hammer construction belt... no one needs 30 hammers !!!!!

Posted by: Haywood at May 26, 2022 11:27 AM (cXo0r)

111 Can’t have wit both ways peeps.

Cant say someone should have done something then turn around and oppose red flag laws. Gotta pick a lane.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 26, 2022 11:27 AM (foEeQ)

112 Violence is violence, committed by violent people.
- K. Heres

Posted by: Eromero at May 26, 2022 11:27 AM (gktX6)

113 >>Went on a cruise that stopped in Jamaica with a group of friends . One friend decided he was going to look for someone to sell him some weed. He came back with no weed and no money .

He's lucky he came back.

I went on a cruise a couple years after graduation with a bunch of friends. The first stop was San Juan for an overnight. A group of girls we met was planning on visiting Old San Juan that evening and I told them it was a very bad idea for them to be in Old San Juan after dark, particularly without men accompanying them.

They didn't listen, of course. They were predictably attacked, one almost raped, and only escaped because a couple friendly PR guys intervened on their behalf.

Certain places you just shouldn't go unless you feel like living on the edge.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 26, 2022 11:27 AM (ZLI7S)

114 "All of this talk about rules - we make 'em up as we go along."

-Alcee Hastings, Rules Committee

Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 11:27 AM (H5x6m)

115 - after 40-60m they got a member of the school staff to unlock it with a key
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If there were only some way to defeat a locked door!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022

***
In films they show someone firing his gun into the lock to shatter it. I'm thinking the round is just as likely to ricochet and shatter the guy who fired it. Maybe a couple of strong guys wielding crowbars to pry the door open?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 26, 2022 11:27 AM (txdEq)

116 110 Ban the 30 hammer construction belt... no one needs 30 hammers !!!!!

you think deer are running through the forests covered in nails?

Posted by: kulak anachronda at May 26, 2022 11:27 AM (oY6Yp)

117 Is that what we want to become? Is that what we have to become?
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 11:18 AM (trdmm)

I don't know but I'd like a residence like that . Also positioned halfway into a hill / mountain.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 26, 2022 11:27 AM (jNAzB)

118 Hammers.

Time for common sense hammer control.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 11:23 AM (iDcra)

Don't give the UK any ideas.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 11:26 AM (XvPQV)

Bet it's already a thing there.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 11:26 AM (b2nrj)

Noveske used to sell a framing hammer. Epic troll

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at May 26, 2022 11:27 AM (OgrpQ)

119 59
It's easy for me to criticize from the safety of my family room but it is difficult to see the benefit of waiting. I assume gunshots could be heard.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 11:16 AM (FVME7)

Gunshots could be heard, as well as the screams of the victims. If that isn't a strong enough motivator then we have LEO on the same caliber as the Cowards of Broward.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 11:28 AM (N39Ws)

120 Having a hammer over 24 ounces requires a special permit.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 11:28 AM (iDcra)

121 Can’t have wit both ways peeps.

Cant say someone should have done something then turn around and oppose red flag laws. Gotta pick a lane.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 26, 2022 11:27 AM (foEeQ)

People can only act because the law tells them to?

Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 11:28 AM (H5x6m)

122 They didn't listen, of course. They were predictably attacked, one almost raped, and only escaped because a couple friendly PR guys intervened on their behalf.

Certain places you just shouldn't go unless you feel like living on the edge.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 26, 2022 11:27 AM (ZLI7S)

Someone has to support the Iranian backpacking industry.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 11:28 AM (b2nrj)

123 I think McCartney played drums on Dear Prudence? But your statement still stands, listen to the drumming at the end of Dear Prudence.
Posted by: Tofer732 at May 26, 2022 11:15 AM (GcxM3)

i didn't know sir paul played with Sousix and the Banshees...

Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at May 26, 2022 11:29 AM (p03vF)

124 May come down to a freedom versus security matter.

Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 11:29 AM (Vr12I)

125 Shoot lock. Kick fucking door.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 26, 2022 11:29 AM (yJ2hI)

126 Hammers.

Time for common sense hammer control.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 11:23 AM (iDcra)

Where were you when I needed you ? --- Trostsky

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 26, 2022 11:29 AM (jNAzB)

127 It IS ?

Posted by: JT at May 26, 2022 11:23 AM (arJlL)

Yes, it is.

We work hard to provide content for this blog. It is simply polite to keep off-topic comments out of the conversation for a few minutes. Thread jacking because you don't find the topic at hand to be interesting is rude.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 11:29 AM (XIJ/X)

128 Can’t have wit both ways peeps.

Cant say someone should have done something then turn around and oppose red flag laws. Gotta pick a lane.
Posted by: Joe XiDen

I'm for chaos then.
Because red flag laws WILL BE ABUSED.
And one has little to no recourse.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 11:29 AM (oEoZw)

129 Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 11:22 AM

Thanks, wasn't doubting you at all, just was curious. Thanks for the linkage. What the fuck? So this is Parkland all over with the police staying outside, no fucking way. If that were my kid I'd go in myself. Let alone if I was a cop. Apparently the cops were stopping parents from going in? Some wanted to go in themselves and they (cops) stopped them. Fuck me.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 11:30 AM (GwxCX)

130 In films they show someone firing his gun into the lock to shatter it. I'm thinking the round is just as likely to ricochet and shatter the guy who fired it. Maybe a couple of strong guys wielding crowbars to pry the door open?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 26, 2022 11:27 AM (txdEq)

12 ga slugs will handle "most" doors by blowing the hinges off. I assume cops have shottys and slugs. But I could be wrong about the school's door design and the police equipment.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 11:30 AM (XvPQV)

131 what bugs me is that the usual suspects seem to have decided that 18 year olds shouldn't be able to buy guns.
Posted by: kulak anachronda at May 26, 2022 11:16 AM

And when a 24 year shoots someone the age will be increased to 25.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 26, 2022 11:30 AM (foEeQ)

132 Shoot lock. Kick fucking door.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 26, 2022 11:29 AM (yJ2hI)

12 gauge Master Key to the hinges

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at May 26, 2022 11:30 AM (OgrpQ)

133 Finding common ground on mass shootings should be pretty easy. Dems have a long list of demands that, even if enacted, won't stop mass killings. Assuming, however, they could Thanos-snap and remove all guns from existence...when the next mass school killing occurs, with a knife, or car driven into a marching band, what controls will we consider then?

Maybe we can consider that non-gun option now?

Posted by: Grimmy at May 26, 2022 11:30 AM (JCZqz)

134 Universal background checks? Alpha Centauri has to sign off?
*
and the goa'uld
Posted by: kulak anachronda at May 26, 2022

***
Vulcan will be all in on it. They're pacifists.

Romulus and the Klingon Home World? Full speed ahead, humans!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 26, 2022 11:30 AM (txdEq)

135 73 southpaw
@nycsouthpaw
According to officials:
- the shooter went in a classroom and locked the door
- police on scene left him in there
- when border patrol showed up they couldn’t break down the door
- after 40-60m they got a member of the school staff to unlock it with a key
If there were only some way to defeat a locked door!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 11:19 AM (FVME7

If a kid gets harmed if the cops break down the door to deal with the shooter, the cops will be held liable for that harm, whatever it may be.

This is the situation that we've put cops in.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 26, 2022 11:30 AM (Qhnrt)

136 Eight of the 10 largest cities in the U.S. lost population during the first year of the pandemic, with New York, Los Angeles and Chicago leading the way. Between July 2020 and July 2021, New York lost more than 305,000 people, while Chicago and Los Angeles contracted by 45,000 residents and 40,000 people, respectively.

Posted by: SMOD at May 26, 2022 11:30 AM (RHGPo)

137 Gunshots could be heard, as well as the screams of the victims. If that isn't a strong enough motivator then we have LEO on the same caliber as the Cowards of Broward.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 11:28 AM (N39Ws)

And the thing is, the cops knew, or should have known by asking witnesses, that there was only one shooter, and a concerted rush by armed cops could have downed him.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 26, 2022 11:30 AM (0upl8)

138 Not enough chaos in Uvalde, i guess. With a suitable level of chaos, some local posse would have whacked that rat-puke kid, and dumped his sorry ass in an unmarked grave.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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It has happened here, 1906. There was a book written about it. Interestingly, the posse was formed and led by the newspaper publisher.
Skip to paragraph 4

https://tinyurl.com/ykzcdnwk

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 26, 2022 11:31 AM (LPX/3)

139 Shoot lock. Kick fucking door.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 26, 2022 11:29 AM

One account said BPA had to have a staff person open a door! WTF?

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 11:31 AM (GwxCX)

140 Red Flag laws sound great until you realized that some leftist NGO will submit Red Flag reports on every gun owner they can identify.

And Congress will give them grant money to do it.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 26, 2022 11:31 AM (Y5qcH)

141 Hammers

Mama run and get your hatchet
There's flies on the baby's head

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at May 26, 2022 11:31 AM (0mUYx)

142 I think McCartney played drums on Dear Prudence?

Yes.

Posted by: Squid at May 26, 2022 11:31 AM (xtjw3)

143 111 Can’t have wit both ways peeps.

Cant say someone should have done something then turn around and oppose red flag laws. Gotta pick a lane.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 26, 2022 11:27 AM (foEeQ)

You're essentially asserting that red flag laws are the only means of doing something. Locking up people in a mental institution who are crazy enough to be dangerous is one way of dealing with things. Denying one avenue of access to acquiring guns doesn't really accomplish much. Not only are there other ways to kill people, there are illicit ways to get guns. Happens literally all the time. Most gang violence is done with illegally obtained guns.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 11:32 AM (b2nrj)

144 In films they show someone firing his gun into the lock to shatter it. I'm thinking the round is just as likely to ricochet and shatter the guy who fired it.

Better chance of the round irreparably jamming said lock requiring a chainsaw to get thru the door.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 11:32 AM (oEoZw)

145 Anyone who says "there should be a law that would have prevented this..."

Should just look at Parkland and that Nicolas (sp?) who kicked Hogg-wild to fame.

The Sherriff assigned to the school did nothing about his issues in-school to red-flag him, because it would show up on incidents at the school reports and make the school look bad. (Just like that trans-rapist in VA...)

So Nicolas's faults were covered up because of POLITICS. With any new law, the same thing will happen.

Posted by: Scott_T at May 26, 2022 11:32 AM (2waQ7)

146 Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 26, 2022 11:27 AM (txdEq)

My question is, when did he kill all the kids. When he first went in? Or was it a hostage standoff.

Sounds like an ineffective chain of command could not make the hard decision.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 26, 2022 11:32 AM (oHd/0)

147 In films they show someone firing his gun into the lock to shatter it. I'm thinking the round is just as likely to ricochet and shatter the guy who fired it. Maybe a couple of strong guys wielding crowbars to pry the door open?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 26, 2022 11:27 AM (txdEq)

you fire into the door jamb, and destroy the latch. Much easier, unless there a steel framed doorjamb. Still, that's the most vulnerable spot.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 11:32 AM (trdmm)

148 For example, back when Salvador Ramos took a knife and started carving designs into his face with it, somebody official should have been told and some action should have been taken right then. Instead, no one did anything and the human time bomb started ticking. Posted by: Tom Servo
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One of the issues involved is that for every live shooter, there is probably 95 to 99 Walter Mittys that dream about it but never do it. Tracking all of them down and not being able to predict accurately which one will 'flip' on the murder switch wastes resources by being spread out to the non-killers and still may not result in addressing the actual future killer. Notice for the most part, the spree killers focusing on schools are yutes. Workplace spree killers are adults for the most part. The compound nature of our local, state, and federal leos is also an issue along with the 1st Amendment that media companies rely upon to publicize and monetize these shootings.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 11:32 AM (Iq9dF)

149 what bugs me is that the usual suspects seem to have decided that 18 year olds shouldn't be able to buy guns.
Posted by: kulak anachronda at May 26, 2022 11:16 AM

But they can get a car when 16 and go to lovely places like Afghanistain at 18. Yea. makes sense.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 11:33 AM (GwxCX)

150 Speaking of pop music, there was a hit song in the '60's or '70's about a kid whose elder brother became a werewolf. Dad took care of the problem with a silver bullet. Remember that?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 26, 2022

***
It sounds something like the Stephen King novella and derived movie called Silver Bullet. Can't recall the song though.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 26, 2022 11:33 AM (txdEq)

151 Seems to be no lack of laws. Adding more? Pretty sceptical.

Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 11:33 AM (Vr12I)

152 12 ga slugs will handle "most" doors by blowing the hinges off. I assume cops have shottys and slugs. But I could be wrong about the school's door design and the police equipment.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 11:30 AM (XvPQV)

Don't they have satchel charges for blowing door locks?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 26, 2022 11:33 AM (0upl8)

153 77 I like french fries.
Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 11:21 AM (H5x6m)

Eat me.

Posted by: Onion Rings at May 26, 2022 11:33 AM (1Yy3c)

154 I have a bit of an issue with the word shooter, rather than killer. Calling these people shooters seems, to me, to put the emphasis on the weapon, rather than the killer.

If someone bludgeons another person to death with a hammer, does he become a hammerer?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at May 26, 2022 11:33 AM (eGTCV)

155 Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 26, 2022 11:27 AM (txdEq)

And Wolfus just because someone brought up Dear Prudence and I consider you a friend, here's two beautiful songstresses Haley Reinhart and Morgan James singing Dear Prudence, informally, barefoot on a couch.

https://tinyurl.com/3hpjehym

Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 11:34 AM (H5x6m)

156 I'm just spitballing here but what if we mandated everyone had to have a gun. Like the safest city in the USA did?

It's a radical idea that might just work.

P.S. The Wild West was not really that wild. Nothing like the movies or leftists make it out to be.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 11:34 AM (iDcra)

157 I remember reading a soldier's account that being in the back country of Afghanistan was like being in the land of 40,000 Alamo's. Every building everywhere was surrounded by 10 foot tall mud brick walls with firing positions located at strategic points. Is that what we want to become? Is that what we have to become?
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 11:18 AM (trdmm)

so, that's most of south america, even the nice cities, asia as well in a lot of places, and probably much of europe.

the open spaces and unfenced / walled houses isn't uniquely american, but it's not as wide spread as we like to imagine...

Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at May 26, 2022 11:34 AM (p03vF)

158 148 For example, back when Salvador Ramos took a knife and started carving designs into his face with it, somebody official should have been told and some action should have been taken right then. Instead, no one did anything and the human time bomb started ticking. Posted by: Tom Servo
--------------------
One of the issues involved is that for every live shooter, there is probably 95 to 99 Walter Mittys that dream about it but never do it. Tracking all of them down and not being able to predict accurately which one will 'flip' on the murder switch wastes resources by being spread out to the non-killers and still may not result in addressing the actual future killer. Notice for the most part, the spree killers focusing on schools are yutes. Workplace spree killers are adults for the most part. The compound nature of our local, state, and federal leos is also an issue along with the 1st Amendment that media companies rely upon to publicize and monetize these shootings.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 11:32 AM (Iq9dF)

If someone is carving their face with a knife, they need a stint in the loonie bin. Too bad we're not allowed to have a loonie bin anymore.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 11:34 AM (b2nrj)

159 "If I draped a rifle over your shoulder, would you feel safer?
OK how about a pistol in your jacket?

OK last one, what if you had a hand-held electric saw?" The problem isn't us, it's you. You're incompetent and weird, and probably have soft hands.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 26, 2022 11:34 AM (44ww/)

160 Is that what we have to become?
Posted by: Tom Servo

40 years ago, a friend floated the idea of a business manufacturing fashionable Kevlar clothing. His mother was strongly opposed. "That's just giving in to them!" she said.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 11:35 AM (FVME7)

161 If someone bludgeons another person to death with a hammer, does he become a hammerer?
Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at May 26, 2022 11:33 AM (eGTCV)

I can't touch this.

Posted by: MC Hammerer at May 26, 2022 11:35 AM (FJYfm)

162 And the thing is, the cops knew, or should have known by asking witnesses, that there was only one shooter, and a concerted rush by armed cops could have downed him.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 26, 2022 11:30 AM

It shouldn't have mattered. My God, these are children and you're standing outside? Fuck that.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 11:35 AM (GwxCX)

163 Is that what we want to become? Is that what we have to become?
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 11:18 AM (trdmm)

*shifty eyes*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 11:25 AM (XvPQV)
***

Slowly puts tarp over the stack of sandbags in the garage.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 26, 2022 11:35 AM (anj39)

164 Don't they have satchel charges for blowing door locks?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 26, 2022 11:33 AM (0upl

They make "door popper" munitions that fit over most rifles like those old timey grenades. Israeli company makes a really cool one. Not sure if police have them tho.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 26, 2022 11:35 AM (Y5qcH)

165 When discussing the repeal of the second amendment, perhaps ALL the amendments should be repealed. I don't recommend it, but it might point out the ludicrousness of the discussion.

Posted by: Chillin the most at May 26, 2022 11:35 AM (KKUqS)

166 Maybe we can consider that non-gun option now?

Posted by: Grimmy at May 26, 2022 11:30 AM (JCZqz)

No. That's when they will blame Republicans for incitement and move to control speech.

Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 11:35 AM (H5x6m)

167 147
you fire into the door jamb, and destroy the latch. Much easier, unless there a steel framed doorjamb. Still, that's the most vulnerable spot.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 11:32 AM (trdmm)

Remington used to sell a 12Ga shotgun with a muzzle designed just for such things.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 11:35 AM (N39Ws)

168 And Wolfus just because someone brought up Dear Prudence and I consider you a friend, here's two beautiful songstresses Haley Reinhart and Morgan James singing Dear Prudence, informally, barefoot on a couch.

https://tinyurl.com/3hpjehym
Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 11:34 AM (H5x6m)

I like Morgan James. I am amazed at the sound that slender body can generate.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at May 26, 2022 11:36 AM (eGTCV)

169 139 Shoot lock. Kick fucking door.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 26, 2022 11:29 AM

One account said BPA had to have a staff person open a door! WTF?
Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 11:31 AM (GwxCX)

The school doors I remember were big old Heavy reinforced doors. Had big plates around the locks.

Also remember that in the last few years, they tried to make it so you could make a classroom a safe place to hide... from shooters.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 26, 2022 11:36 AM (oHd/0)

170 143 111 Can’t have wit both ways peeps.

Cant say someone should have done something then turn around and oppose red flag laws. Gotta pick a lane.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 26, 2022 11:27 AM (foEeQ)

You're essentially asserting that red flag laws are the only means of doing something. Locking up people in a mental institution who are crazy enough to be dangerous is one way of dealing with things.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 11:32 AM (b2nrj)

You forget you can also bring sunshine everywhere. It was my problem with the Catholic Church's pedophile response of excluding parents from all classrooms unless you get certified.

Screw that - open the doors to everyone, let everyone be armed, and have a polite armed society. Let everyone weigh the risks/rewards of being a murdering asshole in a room where they could be gunned down by anyone.

Bring back gun safety classes to elementary school kids. Bring back gun ownership and shooting classes to high schools. Let us have a society that doesn't fear guns, but respects them.

Posted by: Nova local at May 26, 2022 11:36 AM (exHjb)

171 >>> while i like the idea in principal, leftists have already proven they'd use it to abuse and/or remove their political opponents. they have no issues SWATING us, what makes one think they wouldn't report us daily, just becuase we're conservative, so must be mentally deficient...
Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at May 26, 2022 11:24 AM (p03vF)

Almost all societal problems come from leftists and would disappear in their absence. Just a simple fact. But the corruption of society along with the innate tolerance provided by western civilization is now continuously generating new leftists where they were just mutant aberrations to the norm. They are like metastasizing cancer now. I see one of three things happening:

- leftists will kill the host

- some terrible force like facism will be applied to all of us to suppress and diminish the left

- or the idea of tolerance changes and people become free to combat leftism everywhere in every setting.

I'd prefer the last option.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 26, 2022 11:36 AM (QzpS1)

172 A separate report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that up to a year after an initial coronavirus infection, 1 in 4 adults aged 65 and older had at least one potential long COVID health problem, compared with 1 in 5 younger adults.

Long COVID refers to any of more than two dozens symptoms that linger, recur or first appear at least one month after a coronavirus infection. These can affect all parts of the body and may include fatigue, shortness of breath, brain fog and blood clots.

Coronavirus vaccines that help prevent initial infections and serious illnesses provide some protection against long COVID but mounting research shows not as much as scientists had first hoped.

Posted by: SMOD at May 26, 2022 11:36 AM (RHGPo)

173 Just like mass shooters have given obvious signs of the possibility prior to their actions , the same thing occurs with Pedos. It's the fact it's only a 'possibility' that people don't take action. Most people don't want to make unproven accusations . It's a sort of catch 22.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 26, 2022 11:36 AM (jNAzB)

174 Gunshots could be heard, as well as the screams of the victims. If that isn't a strong enough motivator then we have LEO on the same caliber as the Cowards of Broward.
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There are some very disturbing stories being told by kids from the school. There were 5 kids who hid under a table that had a cloth over it. They survived. One of them, a boy, said that he heard a cop yell that the kids should call out if they needed help. The boy said a girl in another part of the room then yelled "help" and the gunman walked over to her and shot her dead.

If that story is true, it's appalling. Why would cops tell the live kids to yell out and draw attention to themselves while the gunman is nearby and still actively seeking out victims?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at May 26, 2022 11:36 AM (MvHI3)

175 Why didn’t the cops use the chainsaw attachment on their assault rifles to cut through the door?

Posted by: Squid at May 26, 2022 11:36 AM (xtjw3)

176 When someone like Ramos is carving his face, or having incidents with his family where the police are called, there is no reason not to put that into his permanent record, which would flag him when he tried to purchase a gun.

There is the weak link.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 26, 2022 11:36 AM (lTGtQ)

177 Michael Moore was on TV yesterday calling for the repeal of the second amendment.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 26, 2022 11:36 AM (63Dwl)

178 Oh magic gun, unlock any locked thing I shoot with thee

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at May 26, 2022 11:37 AM (0mUYx)

179 This type of self-harm seems like it might be best addressed in a mental institution.

And involuntary commitment to a mental institution is one of the reasons to fail a background check. There are some problems with that of course. First, someone with the authority has to be willing to make that decision. Then it has to be reported to the appropriate databases. Then there's CBD's point -- a system that made all that easy would certainly be weaponized against us on the right.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 26, 2022 11:37 AM (nfrXX)

180 Time Magazine accidentally tells the truth, issues correction.

TIME@TIME
Correction: Beto O'Rourke confronts Texas Gov. Abbott about gun control during Uvalde press conference https://ti.me/38jVrxH

The original version of this tweet misspelled Beto O’Rourke's name. It is Beto, not Beta
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 11:24 AM (FVME7)

Ever get the feeling things like this and, I dunno, "chainsaw bayonet" aren't accidental?

Posted by: Onion Rings at May 26, 2022 11:37 AM (1Yy3c)

181 162 And the thing is, the cops knew, or should have known by asking witnesses, that there was only one shooter, and a concerted rush by armed cops could have downed him.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 26, 2022 11:30 AM

It shouldn't have mattered. My God, these are children and you're standing outside? Fuck that.
Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 11:35 AM (GwxCX)

I hope each and every one of those LEO are haunted until their last breath by those screams.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 11:37 AM (N39Ws)

182 That's it !! Dementia Joe has "long COVID"

Posted by: SMOD at May 26, 2022 11:37 AM (RHGPo)

183 I am not pretending to have all the answers. Sullen teenage boys without male guidance and who loathe themselves coupled with a hankering for being a 'star' to show 'them' have been problematic in societies from the get go in history.

Wars slaughtered quite a bit of them in times past, others were killed for their crimes--either judicially or unofficially, died in adventures such as discovery of new places, and the remainder were somewhat pliable. That in a nutshell is the history of European civilization--taming their males.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 11:37 AM (Iq9dF)

184 Wait so the shooter got in, no problem but the cops couldn’t get in for an hour? What in the actual fuck???

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 26, 2022 11:37 AM (foEeQ)

185 Isn't face carving akin to face piercings?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 26, 2022 11:37 AM (63Dwl)

186 50 Good Lord. Pfizer documents show that women’s breast milk turned blue green.
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So bewbies are like shaved ice?

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 26, 2022 11:38 AM (tiR3O)

187 There are some very disturbing stories being told by kids from the school. There were 5 kids who hid under a table that had a cloth over it. They survived. One of them, a boy, said that he heard a cop yell that the kids should call out if they needed help. The boy said a girl in another part of the room then yelled "help" and the gunman walked over to her and shot her dead.
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Those poor babies...

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 26, 2022 11:38 AM (NhLwH)

188 My question is, when did he kill all the kids. When he first went in? Or was it a hostage standoff.

Sounds like an ineffective chain of command could not make the hard decision.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 26, 2022 11:32 AM

Easy for me to say from here but 40 minutes! I can see maybe a couple min to figure out who's going where but the residents and parents were BEGGING them to go in. They could hear shots and screams and they want to go to the CP to talk strategy? No fucking way. You go, NOW.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 11:39 AM (GwxCX)

189 Michael Moore was on TV yesterday calling for the repeal of the second amendment.

He's a disgusting slob but at least he's intellectually honest about what would be required for what they want.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 26, 2022 11:39 AM (nfrXX)

190 Shooter was allegedly let in by someone at the school.

(usual caveats apply)

Posted by: Squid at May 26, 2022 11:39 AM (xtjw3)

191 If that story is true, it's appalling. Why would cops tell the live kids to yell out and draw attention to themselves while the gunman is nearby and still actively seeking out victims?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB
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Cops not trained to deal with this sort of situation. You see the similar reactions to terrorism by cops in places like the Kenya mall massacre or the terror attacks in Bombay several years back.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 11:39 AM (Iq9dF)

192 In last night's ONT, I offered a simple proposition, which I shall put here for discussion:

* for ANY young male, ages xx through 30, when ANY M.D. prescribes psychotropic drugs, then that young man's name is INSTANTLY added to the NCIS "Prohibited" list, as to firearms purchase or ownership.

* Automatic expiration at age 30, UNLESS said young man is henceforth declared incompetent, and housed in a mental facility.

We all know the reasons. Such young men in the teens to 30 age range are those primarily affected by the brain ravages of psychotropic drugs, and mostly, age out of such treatment by time they're 30.

A perfect solution? Nope. It's an encroachment on freedoms, and could be weaponized against many of us. (though I don't see 'em writing 'scrip for my 64 y/o grouchy self). But, it's an idea. And before y'all shoot it down reflexively, maybe propose an alternate of your own thinking? There IS NO "one solution" to these brain-crazed shooters, but, what would you offer as a "maybe", yourself?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 26, 2022 11:39 AM (QzJWU)

193 The thing with red flag laws, we think about them in a rational way and would apply them rationally. The left would bludgeon us with them.

That is the way the lunatic left works and the way the rational right is. With any law, think of how it would be used by a psychotic sociopath implementing and enforcing it and you won't want that law.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 11:39 AM (iDcra)

194 184 Wait so the shooter got in, no problem but the cops couldn’t get in for an hour? What in the actual fuck???
Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 26, 2022 11:37 AM (foEeQ)

They have no excuse for waiting. None.

Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 11:39 AM (Vr12I)

195 And Wolfus just because someone brought up Dear Prudence and I consider you a friend, here's two beautiful songstresses Haley Reinhart and Morgan James singing Dear Prudence, informally, barefoot on a couch.

https://tinyurl.com/3hpjehym
Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022

***
Thanks! The blonde (Morgan?) has a nice arch.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 26, 2022 11:39 AM (txdEq)

196 P.S. The Wild West was not really that wild. Nothing like the movies or leftists make it out to be.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable

45 murders in all of the big cattle towns combined in Kansas during 1870 - 1885. 15 people in Dodge City, or roughly, 1 per year.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 11:39 AM (oEoZw)

197 If that story is true, it's appalling. Why would cops tell the live kids to yell out and draw attention to themselves while the gunman is nearby and still actively seeking out victims?
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at May 26, 2022 11:36 AM (MvHI3)

Well the cop probably has no prior experience or seemingly training for this sort of situation. If you apply this to other scenarios, "why did this person do something obviously dumb the first time they were doing it?", it begins to seem like something that will likely occur.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 11:40 AM (b2nrj)

198 Scott_T, I believe the situation with the Parkland scum was far worse than that. He was shielded from normal juvenile justice process, which would have prevented legal firearms purchases, by specific policies and programs of the county and the federal DOJ ("Promise Program", I think it was called).

The Parkland thing is the entire astonishing package - no way to deal with psychos, actual affirmative "programs" to shield perps from consequences of their crimes, cowardly/incompetent local law enforcement. Yet how many Americans are aware of almost any part of it? Right.

With no press, and no opposition party, it's just inertia and some vestiges of constitutional order that slow the degradation.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 26, 2022 11:40 AM (OTzUX)

199 British Foreign Secretary Liz Truss visited Bosnia’s capital Thursday to reaffirm the U.K.’s commitment to the ethnically divided Balkan country amid growing fears of what she described as malign influence from Russia.

Posted by: SMOD at May 26, 2022 11:40 AM (RHGPo)

200 The school doors I remember were big old Heavy reinforced doors. Had big plates around the locks.

How did the shooter get into the school? Surely there are some of the Horde who have gone to the elementary/middle/high school in your town. Its locked like Fort Knox, isn't it?

So how did this shooter just waltz right in? Did some teacher leave it cracked open so they could sneak out for a quick smoke break?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 11:40 AM (N39Ws)

201 IMO threadjacking is an offense that should be dealt with on a case by case basis. No need to abuse or embarrass a regular commenter who consistently contributes strong on-topic content, for straying from a topic early once or twice. Nobody is going to miss the post or ignore it.

Just my opinion, I know it is strongly disagreed with by those with more power, status and content than little old stupid me. But you can tell me so anyway to make sure I stay in my place.

Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 11:41 AM (H5x6m)

202 Does anybody else wonder if the shrieking about the right to murder babies and the right of teachers to groom children for their perversion has devalued children?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at May 26, 2022 11:41 AM (eGTCV)

203 Here's what needs to be done about shootings:

1) Return to Judeo-Christian ethics in the nation as the worldview
2) Celebrate, encourage, and promote the family and fatherhood
3) Target and deal with mental illness, putting the most dangerous ones back in mental institutions
4) Teach, support, and guide boys to be good young men rather than crush, demean, and abuse them
5) In the interim as these cultural issues take root over generations, increase school security, instruct teachers in use of firearms, and hire security for schools.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2022 11:41 AM (KZzsI)

204 I hope each and every one of those LEO are haunted until their last breath by those screams.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 11:37 AM

I just can't I mean a minute or two discussion at most IF that. 40 minutes to talk to Frank and Jim to discuss tactics or find out more intel? Makes my blood boil.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 11:41 AM (GwxCX)

205 MSNBC had an article on-line that since Columbine in 1999 there have been 14 school shootings and 169 deaths (including Ulvale, TX one).

Call me crazy -- but that isn't the apocalypse the left (and that article) wants to claim it is. Those numbers actual seem pretty good to me for a 23 year time span.

Nothing needs to be done about *guns.* The only thing that needs to be done is having single point of entries for schools and at least 2 armed guards who are actually willing to engage. Yet the left refuses to take that easy, logical approach.

Posted by: Ultra MAGA Venus at May 26, 2022 11:41 AM (YVBLw)

206 Smartest man in the room yukking it up about deer in Kevlar. This is what we've become.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 26, 2022 11:41 AM (BP3/z)

207 The Congressional Budget Office released an economic outlook Wednesday saying high inflation will persist into next year, likely causing the federal government to pay higher interest rates on its debt.

The nonpartisan agency expects the consumer price index to rise 6.1% this year and 3.1% in 2023. This forecast suggests that inflation will slow from current annual levels of 8.3%, yet it would still be dramatically above a long-term baseline of 2.3%.

The 10-year estimates do contain positive news as this year’s annual budget deficit will be $118 billion lower than forecast last year.

Posted by: SMOD at May 26, 2022 11:41 AM (RHGPo)

208 34 My gut says there are going to be more, perhaps many more, young people mass shootings because of the social disruption from the democrat covid lockdowns.

Kids are not connecting as they were mandated not to. Empathy was/is not being instilled. Now do I believe it was a longterm goal of the far left democrats to make a generation of sociopaths? Maybe it just worked out for them but I do believe it is what leftists wanted.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 11:09 AM (iDcra)

The problem is there is no reflection anymore on should we experiment on kids, they just do.
Every new education fad is just implemented without asking if it's needed r even better than traditional methods...
This is more than just the "pandemic" chaos.. I mean New math, sight words, CRT, ect.. just roll this mess out and we can pretend it's better because I have 13 degrees in mail in school administration.

Posted by: Inogame at May 26, 2022 11:41 AM (53oGX)

209 I'll take the chaos.
Every day.
Ironically, it makes us better, more flexible, more adaptable, more self sufficient. And government hates that.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 26, 2022 11:42 AM (anj39)

210 Can't make entry through a window?

Posted by: Awkward davies at May 26, 2022 11:42 AM (nnAZk)

211 193 The thing with red flag laws, we think about them in a rational way and would apply them rationally. The left would bludgeon us with them.

That is the way the lunatic left works and the way the rational right is. With any law, think of how it would be used by a psychotic sociopath implementing and enforcing it and you won't want that law.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 11:39 AM (iDcra)

NYS has a "Red Flag" law. The Buffalo shooter, 1 year ago, threatened to shoot up his school graduation. Police were involved then. But did not flag him. Huh.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 11:43 AM (N39Ws)

212 5) In the interim as these cultural issues take root over generations, increase school security, instruct teachers in use of firearms, and hire security for schools.
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Thee same TikTok teachers with the face piercings and weird-colored hair.
Those teachers you want armed?

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 26, 2022 11:43 AM (NhLwH)

213 Also, given the pattern in Texas, cops need better leadership, training, and individual courage. Clearly whatever approach they are using to dealing with these shootings is not proper or functional.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2022 11:43 AM (KZzsI)

214 The 'flag mental illness' plan is not good.

They've diagnosed 1/6 of the boys in our society with ADHD or other spectrum disorder.

You think you are signing your child up for increased focus and better grades.

Instead you are putting developmental minds on amphetamines and potentially stripping them of their Constitutional rights.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 26, 2022 11:43 AM (eovkY)

215 Well said, CBD.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at May 26, 2022 11:43 AM (xDhn8)

216 Schools have service entrances. A lot of time they are propped open by staff, for various reasons, sometimes as simple as sneaking a smoke by the dumpsters.

Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 11:43 AM (Vr12I)

217 P.S. The Wild West was not really that wild. Nothing like the movies or leftists make it out to be.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable

45 murders in all of the big cattle towns combined in Kansas during 1870 - 1885. 15 people in Dodge City, or roughly, 1 per year.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 11:39 AM (oEoZw)
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Yet that is the go to argument by gun grabbing fascist for stopping CCW and open carry. An armed public is a polite public.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 11:43 AM (iDcra)

218 Cops not trained to deal with this sort of situation. You see the similar reactions to terrorism by cops in places like the Kenya mall massacre or the terror attacks in Bombay several years back.
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They shouldn't need training to exercise some damn common sense.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at May 26, 2022 11:43 AM (MvHI3)

219 DAVOS, Switzerland — Corporate buzzwords. Technical jargon. Bold but vague pronouncements about climate change and Russia’s war in Ukraine.

Posted by: SMOD at May 26, 2022 11:44 AM (RHGPo)

220 When discussing the repeal of the second amendment, perhaps ALL the amendments should be repealed. I don't recommend it, but it might point out the ludicrousness of the discussion.
Posted by: Chillin the most at May 26, 2022 11:35 AM (KKUqS)

well, sponge brain shit pants did say no amendment was absolute... so we might as well scratch them all and see how it goes...

Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at May 26, 2022 11:44 AM (p03vF)

221 210 Can't make entry through a window?
Posted by: Awkward davies at May 26, 2022 11:42 AM (nnAZk)

Of course they could.

Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 11:44 AM (Vr12I)

222 45 murders in all of the big cattle towns combined in Kansas during 1870 - 1885. 15 people in Dodge City, or roughly, 1 per year.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 11:39 AM (oEoZw)

And the gunfight at the OK Corral was a Local Town Cop, trying to deny the Right to Carry... even at a Corral where they could very well have been trying to ride OUT of Town.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 26, 2022 11:44 AM (oHd/0)

223 Texas school shooting: Salvador Ramos told classroom 'it's time to die,' survivor says

https://tinyurl.com/yn3ef8nd

Posted by: redridinghood at May 26, 2022 11:44 AM (NpAcC)

224 Awaiting confirmed facts for any Monday morning QBing, but it doesn't look or smell very good.

For breaching a door, as MAE pointed out, shotgun rounds exist for this purpose. Sledge hammer to follow. But in a place like Uvalde, I wouldn't be shocked if such equipment and the training for it was lacking or scanty, given the environment.

For other situations more splodey options exist, but breaching charges are usually just for military forces.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 26, 2022 11:44 AM (OTzUX)

225 If someone is carving their face with a knife, they need a stint in the loonie bin. Too bad we're not allowed to have a loonie bin anymore.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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How many people self harm themselves via cutting? I don't know but suspect the number to be large. One estimate, possibly inflated, is that 1 out of 5 females and 1 out of 7 males injure themselves on purpose (self harm). The numbers are simply unimaginable compared to the number of cops, mental health professionals, etc.
https://tinyurl.com/4r9sj9ke

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 11:44 AM (Iq9dF)

226 Can't make entry through a window?
Posted by: Awkward davies at May 26, 2022 11:42 AM

They might cut themselves ya know.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 11:45 AM (GwxCX)

227 Texas school shooting: Salvador Ramos told classroom 'it's time to die,' survivor says
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Evil.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 26, 2022 11:45 AM (NhLwH)

228 How on earth did the vast majority of the population survive before psychopharmacology?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 26, 2022 11:45 AM (LvTSG)

229 No fucking way. You go, NOW.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 11:39 AM (GwxCX)

Yes. We are Americans. That is what we do. That is what we want our cops to do.

I am respecting the 48 hour rule (which is really the one week rule), but it really does seem as though the cops were more interested in their own safety than doing what they are paid to do, which is to protect.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 11:45 AM (XIJ/X)

230 Does anyone have any idea how many LEOs a town of 15,000 people typically employ? Newsmax this morning interviewed the neighboring town or county Sheriff who upon hearing the 911 calls, dispatched his deputies and told them to help in any way they could. He said his county has all of one school that contains K-12 grade. For the entire county. I don't think many posters realize how small, remote and unpopulated this area of the country is and except for having a BP facility there, you're probably looking at Barney Fife and Andy size police departments.
I think the Sheriffs name being interviewed was Brady Coe. He said he has told his deputies to take the next week off to decompress from what they saw at the school and mental health professionals will be available for them to talk with. Its easy to criticize that local LEOs should have done this or that, but a small group that has never done this before is going to be questioning every move they make. The constant drumbeat by the left against use of force is also showing, IMO, in how many officers handle violent crimes. When you are being drummed that you are to do everything but hurt or kill a perpetrator, the hesitation will show.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 26, 2022 11:45 AM (WG9fZ)

231 221 210 Can't make entry through a window?
Posted by: Awkward davies at May 26, 2022 11:42 AM (nnAZk)

Of course they could.
Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 11:44 AM (Vr12I)

I was wondering more how they couldn't shoot him through a window, but maybe he picked a completely interior classroom? (I didn't think those existed)...

Posted by: Nova local at May 26, 2022 11:45 AM (exHjb)

232 STOP THE HAMMERING

Posted by: Laurence O'Donnell at May 26, 2022 11:45 AM (44ww/)

233 And involuntary commitment to a mental institution is one of the reasons to fail a background check. "

There's one of the biggest problems right there. Involuntary commitment is almost impossible these days until AFTER someone has committed a violent crime, and by then it's too late. There was an infamous murder here in ETex of a popular high school teacher, in class, by an insanely violent student. Turned out that his mother and sister were terrified of him and had repeatedly asked officials to commit him to an institution, but they refused. Only listened AFTER he went ahead and murdered someone, which his mother and sister had told them he was going to do.

btw - the killer never went to trial, and is now confined to the psychiatric ward for the criminally insane at Rusk. Investigators determined that he was unable to sit by himself for more than 5 minutes before having loud and angry arguments with the invisible people he saw around him.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 11:45 AM (trdmm)

234 Also, cops (like the military) are bound by the leftist idea of disproportionate response.

I.E., Why did five cops have to shoot the perp with 20 rounds when only a single bullet would sufficed.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 26, 2022 11:46 AM (Qhnrt)

235 I am going to call the murderer "tiny penis coward" instead of using his name.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 11:46 AM (XIJ/X)

236
They've diagnosed 1/6 of the boys in our society with ADHD or other spectrum disorder.

Both of my Grandsons.... Two different Families... As far as I am concerned they were just being "boys" I think their Parents are now sorry they believed their Doctors...

Posted by: It's me donna at May 26, 2022 11:46 AM (bs+z0)

237 225 If someone is carving their face with a knife, they need a stint in the loonie bin. Too bad we're not allowed to have a loonie bin anymore.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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How many people self harm themselves via cutting? I don't know but suspect the number to be large. One estimate, possibly inflated, is that 1 out of 5 females and 1 out of 7 males injure themselves on purpose (self harm). The numbers are simply unimaginable compared to the number of cops, mental health professionals, etc.
https://tinyurl.com/4r9sj9ke
Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 11:44 AM (Iq9dF)

Most self-harm through cutting is of the suicidal thoughts nature isn't it? I don't think that goes on the face so much, which seems a sign of generally greater instability. I would think the sort who go out and shoot up a school aren't indistinguishable from the suicidal and depressed.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 11:46 AM (b2nrj)

238 Also, cops (like the military) are bound by the leftist idea of disproportionate response.

I.E., Why did five cops have to shoot the perp with 20 rounds

Because that's all they had?

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 11:46 AM (oEoZw)

239 I just can't I mean a minute or two discussion at most IF that. 40 minutes to talk to Frank and Jim to discuss tactics or find out more intel? Makes my blood boil.
Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 11:41 AM (GwxCX)

Well, that was my point earlier. They knew there was only one shooter, so there should be no reason to delay entering in force. Had there been multiple shooters, it would have been defensible to await the arrival of a trained SWAT team.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 26, 2022 11:47 AM (0upl8)

240 someone is carving their face with a knife, they need a stint in the loonie bin.

Now do tattoos on face, head and neck.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at May 26, 2022 11:47 AM (0mUYx)

241 Awaiting confirmed facts for any Monday morning QBing, but it doesn't look or smell very good.

For breaching a door, as MAE pointed out, shotgun rounds exist for this purpose. Sledge hammer to follow. But in a place like Uvalde, I wouldn't be shocked if such equipment and the training for it was lacking or scanty, given the environment.

For other situations more splodey options exist, but breaching charges are usually just for military forces.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 26, 2022 11:44 AM

You can't tell me that as someone mentioned a window wasn't an option. Also there's no way Border Patrol or Sherrif's etc. don't have battering rams. Firetrucks have all kinds of shit on them they could grab to breach a door or window.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 11:47 AM (GwxCX)

242 Red-flag laws don't have to be the extreme of just confiscating someone's firearms based on some anonymous complaint. How about a mental-health red-flag law; a complaint leads to a professional evaluation of the mental state of the accused, and at that point proper steps can be taken.

Posted by: FriscoYoda at May 26, 2022 11:47 AM (S7une)

243 228 How on earth did the vast majority of the population survive before psychopharmacology?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 26, 2022 11:45 AM (LvTSG)

The real question is, how will any of us survive psychopharmacology?

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 11:47 AM (trdmm)

244 MSNBC had an article on-line that since Columbine in 1999 there have been 14 school shootings and 169 deaths (including Ulvale, TX one).

Call me crazy -- but that isn't the apocalypse the left (and that article) wants to claim it is. Those numbers actual seem pretty good to me for a 23 year time span.
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Good catch. Gun grabbing Donks always sensationalize a crisis. Those 23 year stats is a month of killin in Chicongo and B'more.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 11:47 AM (iDcra)

245 I.E., Why did five cops have to shoot the perp with 20 rounds when only a single bullet would sufficed.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 26, 2022 11:46 AM (Qhnrt)

Anyone worth shooting, is worth shooting a lot.

Very few people have the skill to get a one-shot-stop/kill. Especially under stress.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 11:48 AM (XvPQV)

246 proper steps can be taken.

Goose steps

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at May 26, 2022 11:48 AM (0mUYx)

247 I am going to call the murderer "tiny penis coward" instead of using his name.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 11:46 AM

So let it be written, so let it be done.

Posted by: The AoSHQ Style Guide at May 26, 2022 11:48 AM (RkC6l)

248 They shouldn't need training to exercise some damn common sense.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB
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Hate to tell you but in self defense situations--even some trained people 'freeze' when an immediate decision of life or death is involved. Groups make it worse in some cases as unconsciously debating over a possible death to oneself can cause groups to delay.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 11:48 AM (Iq9dF)

249 And now for something completely different. Good news for furries. Japanese company makes realistic animal costumes.

https://youtu.be/a6JWhIIYRlA

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 11:48 AM (FVME7)

250 Its easy to criticize that local LEOs should have done this or that, but a small group that has never done this before is going to be questioning every move they make. The constant drumbeat by the left against use of force is also showing, IMO, in how many officers handle violent crimes. When you are being drummed that you are to do everything but hurt or kill a perpetrator, the hesitation will show.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 26, 2022 11:45 AM (WG9fZ)

Thank you. You make good points.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 11:49 AM (XIJ/X)

251 How on earth did the vast majority of the population survive before psychopharmacology?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Alcohol. Seriously.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 11:49 AM (oEoZw)

252 >>>>>> If someone bludgeons another person to death with a hammer, does he become a hammerer?
Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at May 26, 2022 11:33 AM (eGTCV)

Can't touch that

Posted by: Kindltot at May 26, 2022 11:49 AM (TNHnm)

253 Very few people have the skill to get a one-shot-stop/kill. Especially under stress.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 11:48 AM (XvPQV)

I agree.. It's easy to cast stones until you, God forbid, are in that situation

Posted by: It's me donna at May 26, 2022 11:49 AM (bs+z0)

254 115 - after 40-60m they got a member of the school staff to unlock it with a key
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If there were only some way to defeat a locked door!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022

***
In films they show someone firing his gun into the lock to shatter it. I'm thinking the round is just as likely to ricochet and shatter the guy who fired it. Maybe a couple of strong guys wielding crowbars to pry the door open?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 26, 2022 11:27 AM (txdEq)

I'd think a quick call to the local fire department would wield the tools necessary.

Posted by: Inogame at May 26, 2022 11:49 AM (53oGX)

255 Absolutely unbelievable. Fat fucking sheriff with a vest and an AR-16 holding back parents instead of going into the school. I hope every liberal who thinks the police will protect them figure it out that they are only there to draw caulk lines around the bodies.

Posted by: jwest at May 26, 2022 11:49 AM (/BlEx)

256 ".the destruction of religion, of the family, the celebration of abortion."

and not just abortion, but cheering abortion just before the baby's head is crowning.

They long had the abortion before 22 weeks or so, but was it New York (?) where some state law was cheered on the floor, which they legalized "late term" abortion. Yeah, legal to kill fully formed babies ... received thunderous applause by these demented souls.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 26, 2022 11:49 AM (Cus5s)

257 Then there's CBD's point -- a system that made all that easy would certainly be weaponized against us on the right.
Posted by: Oddbob at May 26, 2022 11:37 AM (nfrXX)

This is more of a problem of a society composed of two warring groups than the core idea. Yeah an army can be used to commit mass murder, but most governments weren't Hitler/Stalin and it's hard to get by without one. I guess they really perverted all of the institutions of this nature, including the mental hospitals.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 11:49 AM (b2nrj)

258 >>> P.S. The Wild West was not really that wild. Nothing like the movies or leftists make it out to be. Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable

45 murders in all of the big cattle towns combined in Kansas during 1870 - 1885. 15 people in Dodge City, or roughly, 1 per year. Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 11:39 AM (oEoZw)
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Yet that is the go to argument by gun grabbing fascist for stopping CCW and open carry. An armed public is a polite public. Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 11:43 AM (iDcra)

When people got tired of crap they'd join together, hunt down everyone involved, even some not involved just tangentially, and kill them all. This was typically very effective. Weak civilized men are always more of a threat than strong wild men. Because weak men plan to overkill, just to be sure.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 26, 2022 11:49 AM (QzpS1)

259 Meanwhile at NYT, news you can use:

"Men Benefit From Abortion."

Posted by: Make Mine gp! at May 26, 2022 11:50 AM (qpX6U)

260 Some situations do not call for consensus building.

Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 11:50 AM (Vr12I)

261 Academic Agent was mentioning how you can build credibility in a place by hanging out for a few years (and not pissing anyone off too badly).

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 26, 2022 11:50 AM (44ww/)

262 Good one, CBD! Fighting the hard fight.

Posted by: m at May 26, 2022 11:50 AM (YtnN4)

263 I'm not a gun owner, and haven't read up much on current laws, but some thoughts on those proposed in that article.

Red Flag Laws - It'd end up just becoming a worse case of SWATing, where someone claims you're a danger to get your guns taken away (or cause a violent police confrontation)

HR8 - I think all sales should have to go through the same thing, licensed or private. But then Dems like to expand that to even lending guns, and I'm sure the bill has more intrusive/ unconstitutional bits in it too.

Charleston - Seems reasonable, until you see how Dem states purposely delay checks to keep qualified people from getting guns. Pass the law, but add that there needs to be an expedited option, and every day over 10 days the government needs to pay the buyer a $100 fine taken from their pet projects (and can't be recouped by raising taxes)

Age - Nope, can't give them a gun for war and say they can't protect themselves.

M&T - again this makes sense to me if it's not packed with other hidden crap.

Also Dems should have to compromise by making sure people who commit crimes are charged, since that would stop more future gun crimes than anything else.

Posted by: Rbastid at May 26, 2022 11:50 AM (BDBlI)

264 Yeah, I know...leftists would, as with anything, abuse the shit out of any system that I could dream up to address the problem mentally ill assholes roaming around freely. It would help if the lefties would strop actively encouraging mental illness.

Posted by: FriscoYoda at May 26, 2022 11:50 AM (S7une)

265 Hate to tell you but in self defense situations--even some trained people 'freeze' when an immediate decision of life or death is involved. Groups make it worse in some cases as unconsciously debating over a possible death to oneself can cause groups to delay.
Posted by: whig

Then let one of the parents have your pistol. Parents were BEGGING them to do something.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 11:50 AM (oEoZw)

266 So the the Buffalo scum was *also* very much on the radar, for "gun violence" threats, well before he acted?

It's almost as if every single "headline" massacre - this excludes the ongoing massacres in places like Chicago and Baltimore, which are a national secret to the public - has a mountain of failed, existing "protections" and systems behind it.

The church shooter in TX a few years back, IIRC taken down (quickly) by a private citizen who was carrying, obtained his gun due to the failure of the USAF to migrate his military justice system data (felony) over to the background check database. Ooops! Whoopsie! Sorry about that!

In so many ways, the society and country are a clownshow, just with toxic or deadly consequences.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 26, 2022 11:50 AM (OTzUX)

267 All training. It's over before you knew it had already begun.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 26, 2022 11:51 AM (yJ2hI)

268 Old and busted: Property is theft!

New and cool: Property is racist!

Boston University Professor Says BLM Riots And Looting Was Okay Because Property Is Racist

https://bit.ly/3t1nTvA

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 11:51 AM (FVME7)

269 How many people self harm themselves via cutting? "

This is an area where the lie that "men and women are the same" is especially damaging and dangerous. Young women are by far more likely to go in for cutting themselves, but women by far tend to internalize anger, and focus it on themselves. Young women cutting themselves is tragic and should be treated with compassion, but is almost never dangerous to anyone else.

Men, however, tend to externalize their anger. A young man cutting himself should be an automatic Big Screaming Beacon that this is a potential killer getting ready to blow.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 11:51 AM (trdmm)

270 Though I comment very little, I am so happy for your outcome, FenelonSpoke!

Get well soon!!

Posted by: Brunnhilde at May 26, 2022 11:52 AM (E3FAu)

271 199 British Foreign Secretary Liz Truss visited Bosnia’s capital Thursday to reaffirm the U.K.’s commitment to the ethnically divided Balkan country amid growing fears of what she described as malign influence from Russia.
Posted by: SMOD at May 26, 2022 11:40 AM

I've posted a few times about my recent deployment to Kosovo and Bosnia. Kosovo is pretty stable, but Bosnia has a very real possibility of breaking up. A third wants to join Serbia, a third wants to join Croatia, and the Bosniak third is the orphan stepchild no one likes.

Posted by: Anon Military Moron at May 26, 2022 11:52 AM (JCZqz)

272 130 In films they show someone firing his gun into the lock to shatter it. I'm thinking the round is just as likely to ricochet and shatter the guy who fired it. Maybe a couple of strong guys wielding crowbars to pry the door open?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 26, 2022 11:27 AM (txdEq)

12 ga slugs will handle "most" doors by blowing the hinges off. I assume cops have shottys and slugs. But I could be wrong about the school's door design and the police equipment.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 11:30 AM (XvPQV)

Most municipal doors and frames are metal.
Blowing hinges is great on wood.
less great on steel.

Posted by: Inogame at May 26, 2022 11:52 AM (53oGX)

273 Those kids that survived are going to have bouts with real, live, in technicolor PTSD for some time, maybe even the rest of their lives. The next cocksucker who claims PTSD about an avocado shortage or some other bullshit (and there's a lot on line) should be given a swift kick in the teeth by at least twenty people standing in line.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 26, 2022 11:52 AM (lz5hY)

274 This guy should have been taken down the first time he shot somebody with a BB gun.

9mm > BB

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 26, 2022 11:52 AM (BP3/z)

275 270 Though I comment very little, I am so happy for your outcome, FenelonSpoke!

Fen had good news ? Thank God

Posted by: It's me donna at May 26, 2022 11:52 AM (bs+z0)

276 A perfect solution? Nope. It's an encroachment on freedoms, and could be weaponized against many of us. (though I don't see 'em writing 'scrip for my 64 y/o grouchy self). But, it's an idea. And before y'all shoot it down reflexively, maybe propose an alternate of your own thinking? There IS NO "one solution" to these brain-crazed shooters, but, what would you offer as a "maybe", yourself?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at May 26, 2022 11:39 AM (QzJWU)

I understand what you are saying, and I'm not arguing against it, just that what we're dealing with here, with this type of person, is more likely not resolved without intensive therapy, and generally therapy is too expensive for most of the people who need it most... even if they were motivated to get it, which many aren't.

So... prescribing meds is an easy bandaid that gets used all the time, and it doesn't really do jack squat to resolve the problem.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 26, 2022 11:52 AM (NWBBy)

277 Hate to tell you but in self defense situations--even some trained people 'freeze' when an immediate decision of life or death is involved. Groups make it worse in some cases as unconsciously debating over a possible death to oneself can cause groups to delay.
Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 11:48 AM (Iq9dF)

Well that's what the guy shouting at you/ordering you to get in there is for. Or at least should've been in this circumstance.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 11:53 AM (b2nrj)

278 Very few people have the skill to get a one-shot-stop/kill. Especially under stress.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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This is absolutely so. Estimates from military encounters have about 5-10 percent of the personnel doing most of the killing and that is with very few limits on rules of engagement. Civilized humans have a visceral distaste to killing others and basically the military has to deprogram people in order to do it more efficiently if need be.

Cops are also aware that the 'wrong' decision can get them killed or tried by the Justice Dept for pulling the trigger as a murderer. So imagine if you have to debate whether it is a 'good' or 'bad' shoot before pulling the trigger--if not needed to save one's own life--the human tendency is to delay decisionmaking.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 11:53 AM (Iq9dF)

279 Boston University Professor Says BLM Riots And Looting Was Okay Because Property Is Racist
____________

So they won't object if somebody goes and burns down some of those multi-million-dollar BLM mansions?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at May 26, 2022 11:53 AM (MvHI3)

280 In so many ways, the society and country are a clownshow, just with toxic or deadly consequences.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 26, 2022 11:50 AM (OTzUX)

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"Welcome to the clownshow, we got fun & games ..."

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at May 26, 2022 11:53 AM (xDhn8)

281 Fighting the hard fight.

Posted by: m at May 26, 2022 11:50 AM (YtnN4)

Thanks.

The idea of accepting the chaos of freedom is to me a very important point. The left despises chaos because it is synonymous with freedom.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 11:53 AM (XIJ/X)

282 >>>Haley Reinhart and Morgan James singing Dear Prudence, informally, barefoot on a couch.

https://tinyurl.com/3hpjehym
Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022

=====

Haley and Morgan, hubba hubba. And voices to match. They are great with Postmodern Jukebox.

Posted by: Turn Two at May 26, 2022 11:54 AM (nFGWv)

283 12 ga slugs will handle "most" doors by blowing the hinges off. I assume cops have shottys and slugs. But I could be wrong about the school's door design and the police equipment.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 11:30 AM (XvPQV)

Don't they have satchel charges for blowing door locks?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 26, 2022 11:33 AM (0upl

Some SWAT units do, doubt normie cops do or are trained how to use them.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 11:54 AM (XvPQV)

284 And now for something completely different. Good news for furries. Japanese company makes realistic animal costumes.

https://youtu.be/a6JWhIIYRlA
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022

***
At the beginning, the "collie" moves like my late Chekov cat did in his last months. Still, the coat and head/face are impressively realistic.

They should develop one to put on the robotic dog that Ace has posted vids of. Make him look like a giant version of Lassie.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 26, 2022 11:54 AM (txdEq)

285 This guy should have been taken down the first time he shot somebody with a BB gun.

9mm > BB
Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 26, 2022 11:52 AM (BP3/z)

Yup, lots of failure here. I read yesterday how he was "bullied," but it sure looks like that's mostly people saying mean things to him on the internet, whereas in real life he started fights, rode around shooting BB guns at random people.

There's no reason he should have been allowed to purchase a gun. None.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 26, 2022 11:54 AM (NWBBy)

286 281

Thanks.

The idea of accepting the chaos of freedom is to me a very important point. The left despises chaos because it is synonymous with freedom.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 11:53 AM (XIJ/X)

Again - Freedom versus Security. Some want it both ways.

Posted by: kraken at May 26, 2022 11:54 AM (Vr12I)

287 Sweet Jesus Johnny Depp married one crazy vindictive bitch and a liar, just showed a picture of her without the bruise after she got the restraining order.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at May 26, 2022 11:55 AM (dKiJG)

288 249 And now for something completely different. Good news for furries. Japanese company makes realistic animal costumes.

https://youtu.be/a6JWhIIYRlA
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 11:48 AM (FVME7)

Beto will be so excited!

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 11:55 AM (trdmm)

289 I agree the problem isn't guns, it's mental health. But how do you square that with a government that is full-on with transgenderism?

Being of normal sound mind is now considered "mentally ill."

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 26, 2022 11:55 AM (p+1gI)

290
Or I guess 3, watching porn while eating donuts.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 26, 2022 11:08 AM (foEeQ)

_________

Or 4: filming porn while using donuts.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 26, 2022 11:55 AM (/U27+)

291 The left despises chaos because it is synonymous with freedom.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 11:53 AM (XIJ/X)

I don't know about that. The BLM Summer Of Love was pretty chaotic and they really reveled in it.

Posted by: Robert at May 26, 2022 11:55 AM (1Yy3c)

292 251 How on earth did the vast majority of the population survive before psychopharmacology?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Alcohol. Seriously.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 11:49 AM (oEoZw)

==========

Screws with the body chemistry a whole lot less, I imagine.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 26, 2022 11:56 AM (LvTSG)

293 Well that's what the guy shouting at you/ordering you to get in there is for. Or at least should've been in this circumstance.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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Not really, it usually takes some brave SOB to violate protocol by demonstration. That is why 2nd Lt and 1st Lt casualties are out of proportion in infantry units. Think of Sgt Major Dan Daly, Brig Gen. George Taylor, and others--you don't push spaghetti--you pull it in order to get where you are going.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 11:56 AM (Iq9dF)

294 My girlfriend works at a school(1-8grade) in rural California. Her daughter is a teacher at an elementary school in nearby Susanville. Daughter just sent my GF a memo her school principal put out not to be alarmed by local SWAT members walking around in plain clothes. They are there to learn the layout of the school. In rural(red areas) California each school is it’s own district. This is in Lassen County/NorCal.

Posted by: JROD at May 26, 2022 11:56 AM (JAJAP)

295 >>>>Long COVID refers to any of more than two dozens symptoms that linger, recur or first appear at least one month after a coronavirus infection. These can affect all parts of the body and may include fatigue, shortness of breath, brain fog and blood clots.

Coronavirus vaccines that help prevent initial infections and serious illnesses provide some protection against long COVID but mounting research shows not as much as scientists had first hoped.
Posted by: SMOD at May 26, 2022 11:36 AM (RHGPo

There's is a study out that indicates that while all serious viral infections carry long term health risks, Long Covid correlates more with people who think they had covid than with people who tested positive and were hospitalized with covid.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 26, 2022 11:56 AM (TNHnm)

296 "And now for something completely different. Good news for furries. Japanese company makes realistic animal costumes."

I wonder how many collies they skin to make those suits.

Posted by: Minimal gp-Based Barrier at May 26, 2022 11:56 AM (qpX6U)

297 Close the death traps and pedophile hunting grounds known as government grooming centers.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 26, 2022 11:56 AM (VghRo)

298 An example of how leftists will use what any normal person would think a good law (BTW there are very few good laws). We are in a somewhat fire prone area. Not near the beach where we are but in the foothills it burns every year. SO they came up with laws that the fire department has to enforce.

One of my neighbors has called up several times to get the fire department to come out to make me trim some trees and bushes. Luckily I'm not under their jurisdiction and fire inspector guy was level headed. He said the only reason the complaints were coming in was my vegetation was blocking their view.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 11:57 AM (iDcra)

299 Repeal Michael Moore.

Posted by: klaftern at May 26, 2022 11:57 AM (taPSh)

300 back when Salvador Ramos took a knife and started carving designs into his face with it, somebody official should have been told and some action should have been taken right then.
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Based on what law? And who gets to decide?...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
**

Mental health? No need.

Back when Sally was getting into fights with his mom that were so bad the cops were called and no domestic violence charges were filed that would've pinged on a 4473 when he "legally" bought his firearms. Back when Sally was apparently shooting at people with BB guns would have been an opportunity to prevent this, too.

That would be a lot of paperwork, and besides, we don't want to create misperceptions about minorities, after all. The same government workers then either left the doors open at the school or let Sally in.

Government failures caused the deaths of those children. Not my guns. Not your guns. Same as always, laws are not enforced, and government employees don't follow the rules that you and I are expected to adhere to when we walk onto the campus.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 11:57 AM (PVm6k)

301 If a red flag law said don’t allow someone who has shown mental illness and violent tendencies in the past to buy a gun, I’d be fine with it. But government only grows over time. And laws only get expanded By courts. So within a few years those laws would become anyone who has ever felt sad cannot but a gun.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 26, 2022 11:57 AM (foEeQ)

302 According to the DM timeline diagram he was approached by a security guard before entering the school. But I saw no mention of the interaction in the article.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 26, 2022 11:58 AM (vPDt3)

303 Lying little amber digging hole deeper with her coy lying bitch face. Methinks Jury not buying her precious perjury.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at May 26, 2022 11:58 AM (0mUYx)

304 Repeal Michael Moore.
Posted by: klaftern at May 26, 2022 11:57 AM (taPSh)

That'll be a lot of repealing.

Posted by: Robert at May 26, 2022 11:58 AM (1Yy3c)

305 295 There's is a study out that indicates that while all serious viral infections carry long term health risks, Long Covid correlates more with people who think they had covid than with people who tested positive and were hospitalized with covid.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 26, 2022 11:56 AM (TNHnm)

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My sister has long COVID. She also gained about 70 pounds during lockdown. I'm sure her shortness of breath has nothing to do with the wild weight gain, though.

Body positive.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 26, 2022 11:58 AM (LvTSG)

306 12 ga slugs will handle "most" doors by blowing the hinges off.

Yeah you don't shoot the lock, you blast the hinges off and pull the door off, when you breach a location. Cops are actually trained in this in many areas. At least SWAT-type squads are.

Good news for furries. Japanese company makes realistic animal costumes.

Nah, Furries don't want to actually look like animals, they want to look like mascots and Disney cartoons.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2022 11:58 AM (KZzsI)

307 277 Hate to tell you but in self defense situations--even some trained people 'freeze' when an immediate decision of life or death is involved. Groups make it worse in some cases as unconsciously debating over a possible death to oneself can cause groups to delay.
Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 11:48 AM (Iq9dF)

I've been in some emergency situations (luckily never a murder!) and I've also talked to men who've been in combat. In those kinds of situations, many men who you think would be great, freeze up completely, but other men that you would never have noticed as anything special step up and act. Nobody ever really knows how they're going to respond until they're actually in it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 11:58 AM (trdmm)

308 "back when Salvador Ramos took a knife and started carving designs into his face with it, somebody official should have been told and some action should have been taken right then."

Same with Nicholas Cruz when he started drinking gasoline.

Posted by: Minimal gp-Based Barrier at May 26, 2022 11:58 AM (qpX6U)

309 As noted repeatedly, when Hunter Biden goes to jail for lying on his 4473, I'll pay attention.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at May 26, 2022 11:58 AM (QZ/dC)

310 I agree the problem isn't guns, it's mental health. But how do you square that with a government that is full-on with transgenderism?

Being of normal sound mind is now considered "mentally ill."

Posted by: BeckoningChasm

The solution for mass killers is to use mental health issues and encounters with the police to warn gun dealers not to sell, but I believe that the left is twisting mental health in precisely in order to countervene this. And, already juvenile records of police encounters are not available when background checks are made, for some unconscionable reason.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 26, 2022 11:59 AM (lTGtQ)

311 265
Then let one of the parents have your pistol. Parents were BEGGING them to do something.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 11:50 AM (oEoZw)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 11:59 AM (N39Ws)

312 KYIV. May 26 (Interfax) - Energoatom, the operator of Ukraine's nuclear power plants, has denied a report from IAEA head Rafael Grossi that there are stocks of 30,000 kg of plutonium and 40,000 kg of enriched uranium at the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, which is controlled by Russian forces.

"There is neither uranium nor plutonium at the Zaporizhzhia NPP that could be used for military purposes; they were not stored and are not stored. However there are fuel assemblies, but this is a completely different matter and it is called nuclear fuel, which of course all NPP in the world have," Energoatom said on its Telegram channel on Wednesday.

Posted by: SMOD at May 26, 2022 11:59 AM (RHGPo)

313 I believe 21 people were shot this past weekend in Chicago alone. Chicago has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation.

It isn't the guns that need to be controlled. We need to control maniacs and criminals.

Posted by: Archer at May 26, 2022 11:59 AM (gmo/4)

314 I'm more concerned about the seemingly absent duty to protect kids.

Those cops apparently didn't enter the classroom where those women and children were being massacred. They waited outside.

Animals do a better job of protecting their young.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 26, 2022 11:59 AM (a0u8+)

315
Well, that was my point earlier. They knew there was only one shooter, so there should be no reason to delay entering in force. Had there been multiple shooters, it would have been defensible to await the arrival of a trained SWAT team.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 26, 2022 11:47 AM

yep, completely fucked up.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 12:00 PM (GwxCX)

316 Nope, completely disagree. Cops should have gone in, period.

I will confirm but it was a Border Agent who eventually killed the psycho.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 12:00 PM (DcKNO)

317 And I'd bet $100 that the guns weren't legally purchased. They were straw purchases, or purchased with stolen / drug money, or the seller was working in a Fast and Furious agreement and the documentation was falsified, etc.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:00 PM (PVm6k)

318 296 "And now for something completely different. Good news for furries. Japanese company makes realistic animal costumes."

I wonder how many collies they skin to make those suits.

dunno, but i can give you an estimate in dalmations.

Posted by: cruella deville at May 26, 2022 12:00 PM (l8C9M)

319 Only narcissistic sadists would put any population through this totally unnecessary bullshit. I'd say it was like CS Lewis' "moral busybodies" reference, but I believe it pure evil. You have to want to see misery to act in this manner.

Posted by: Mean Tweets at May 26, 2022 12:00 PM (BOJAx)

320 Some SWAT units do, doubt normie cops do or are trained how to use them.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 11:54 AM (XvPQV)

Seems to me that is something that could be addressed. Train ONE guy in each police or sheriff's department to use breaching charges, and stock one or two such at HQ. That one guy has the key to the locker, and is on call, 24/7 to deploy it if needed.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 26, 2022 12:00 PM (0upl8)

321 The only thing that needs to be done is having single point of entries for schools and at least 2 armed guards who are actually willing to engage.

I can't give a cite, but an ex-LEO friend tells me that the SRO who confronted the shooter emptied three magazines without a hit. The whole thing was a total CF.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 26, 2022 12:00 PM (nfrXX)

322 Panic and adrenaline can do weird things to people in a shoot back situation. Remember the NYPD hitting about 9 innocent bystanders in a situation where they went into spray and pray mode? And then there's the recovered civil war rifles with many charges in the barrel. Soldier would aim, shoot , reload and repeat the process, not realizing he wasn't putting a cap on the nipple.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 26, 2022 12:00 PM (lz5hY)

323 A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Justification and permission in one elegant sentence.

Nothing more need be said.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 26, 2022 12:00 PM (KATBx)

324 303 Lying little amber digging hole deeper with her coy lying bitch face. Methinks Jury not buying her precious perjury.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at May 26, 2022 11:58 AM (0mUYx)

And to think Amber was the only one to give a shit in that relationship.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 12:01 PM (N39Ws)

325 293 Well that's what the guy shouting at you/ordering you to get in there is for. Or at least should've been in this circumstance.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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Not really, it usually takes some brave SOB to violate protocol by demonstration. That is why 2nd Lt and 1st Lt casualties are out of proportion in infantry units. Think of Sgt Major Dan Daly, Brig Gen. George Taylor, and others--you don't push spaghetti--you pull it in order to get where you are going.
Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 11:56 AM (Iq9dF)

Officer-lead charges was standard military doctrine for millennia. But realistically we don't have a bunch of people of that caliber standing around to be present. Best you can do is having maybe one guy per department who can convincingly get people's ass in gear by shouting at them over the radio.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 12:01 PM (b2nrj)

326 311 265
Then let one of the parents have your pistol. Parents were BEGGING them to do something.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 11:50 AM (oEoZw)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 11:59 AM (N39Ws)

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plus one

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 12:01 PM (DcKNO)

327 313 I believe 21 people were shot this past weekend in Chicago alone. Chicago has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation.

Posted by: Archer at May 26, 2022 11:59 AM (gmo/4)

I've been assured that Chicago's gun crimes are Indiana's fault.

Posted by: Emmie at May 26, 2022 12:01 PM (6RgRK)

328 A bunch of high schoolers could break into a building to f*ck up the place as a "senior prank" in South Carolina, but a bunch of trained uniformed officers couldn't figure out how to climb through a window for 40 minutes to stop a bunch of little kids from getting murdered.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:01 PM (PVm6k)

329 Nood

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 26, 2022 12:02 PM (Y5qcH)

330 hate the phrase 'gun violence'. It's inherently pejorative. All violence is violence, whether you use a rock, a bat, or a Glock.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 11:22 AM (XvPQV)

That's how I feel about " hate crimes". Does hate involve a bigger sentence? It never made sense to me.

Posted by: Chillin the most at May 26, 2022 12:02 PM (KKUqS)

331
I like 70s cinema a lot, the good and the bad. A lot of that stuff was themed around "society in collapse," and had protagonists who were more-or-less regular guys who lived by the gun in a world where law enforcement was corrupt and lazy in the face of the street violence. Movies like "Death Wish," "Serpico," and "Thief."

What's weird now is that the wildings are an order of magnitude crazier than then, the cops are an order of magnitude worse than then. Case in point: a tranny freak shoots up an elementary school while cops stand around doing nothing outside but counting their pensions in their thick heads.

And all the movies are about superheros.

Tells you something about the difference in the everyday, moviegoing public. Back then, people dreamed of cleaning up the streets like Charlie Bronson. Now they want some fruity catamite in Lycra to save the world.

Posted by: @TheRealWilliamHayes at May 26, 2022 12:02 PM (FIJ+3)

332 According to the DM timeline diagram he was approached by a security guard before entering the school. But I saw no mention of the interaction in the article.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 26, 2022 11:58 AM (vPDt3)

The security rent a cop probably asked him if he had any weed he could hold.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 26, 2022 12:02 PM (VghRo)

333 Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:00 PM (PVm6k)

I think they were legally purchased.. He bought one gun the next day he went back and bought ammo and the next day he bought the other gun.... I think if I was the gun store I would have been a little suspicious... And where did he get the money ?

Posted by: It's me donna at May 26, 2022 12:02 PM (bs+z0)

334
Perhaps the elites in the halls of power should consider the degradation of society that their policies have caused...the destruction of religion, of the family, the celebration of abortion...they are far more responsible for the lack of respect for human life than scary looking rifles and standard capacity magazines.

The traditional family has allowed Western civilization to endure and advance despite war, plague and disaster. And, for our anti-religious hate bigot friends (as opposed to atheists), there has never been a successful country that was officially atheist.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 26, 2022 12:02 PM (/U27+)

335 70k kilos of weapons grade nuclear material in the hands of the Ukes before the Russians got there? Who are the bad guys again?

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at May 26, 2022 12:02 PM (QZ/dC)

336 I believe 21 people were shot this past weekend in Chicago alone. Chicago has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation.

Posted by: Archer at May 26, 2022 11:59 AM

And the left's usual comeback is, well they are getting guns from outstate like WI etc. Hmmm so yea, Trenicious and crew I am sure arwe driving to WI to get background checks done. Why didn't they obey the laws in Chitcago then? Their response will be, derp.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 12:02 PM (GwxCX)

337 The idea of accepting the chaos of freedom is to me a very important point. The left despises chaos because it is synonymous with freedom.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 11:53 AM (XIJ/X)

You make a good point; but I believe there's a huge difference between the "chaos" of a dispersed power market economy, and the Chaos of Afghanistan and the 3rd world. The latter is what I fear we're sliding into - and that kind of chaos has always resulted in a backlash of harsh authoritarianism.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 12:02 PM (trdmm)

338 Seems to me that is something that could be addressed. Train ONE guy in each police or sheriff's department to use breaching charges, and stock one or two such at HQ. That one guy has the key to the locker, and is on call, 24/7 to deploy it if needed.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 26, 2022 12:00 PM (0upl

There's a lot of potential scenarios that could come up and be addressed in this manner, but in aggregate that quickly becomes cost prohibitive. Departments will tend to gear towards what they're accustomed with, and be blind-sided by what they're not. If a cartel moves into a formerly peaceful area, the police are going to have a bad time of it.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 12:03 PM (b2nrj)

339 As for dead tiny penis killer, if he'd been arrested and charged for early fuckery, that would have helped and maybe prevented the killings.

Since he wasn't charged, he had no criminal record, no justification to deny him firearms. Innocent until proven guilty may have its downsides but I'll take that over vague red flag laws. Relatedly, I personally know several people who refused to get mental health help because it would impact their career and their gun rights.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 12:03 PM (XvPQV)

340 So far just this week in Chicago: 35 shot, 5 dead.

Posted by: FriscoYoda at May 26, 2022 12:04 PM (S7une)

341 I am going to call the murderer "tiny penis coward" instead of using his name.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 11:46 AM (XIJ/X)

If what's out there is true, this covers the responding cops as well.

Posted by: WeBoned! at May 26, 2022 12:04 PM (8k7U7)

342 Best solution. Arm up and carry. If first on the scene, be the first to enter.

Does that take individual courage? You fuckin' A it does. It also takes courage to do it when law enforcement is hesitant to act.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 26, 2022 12:04 PM (Qhnrt)

343 30kg of plutonium would be, uh, I believe the technical term is "crap ton". And of course there's near zero chance of any (extracted, concentrated) PU would be at a power-generating station. Ditto for weapons-grade enriched uranium. Though this kind of kerfuffle pretty much follows the apparently standards for ridiculous hysterical claims coming out of Ukraine since 2/24.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 26, 2022 12:04 PM (OTzUX)

344 Tells you something about the difference in the everyday, moviegoing public. Back then, people dreamed of cleaning up the streets like Charlie Bronson. Now they want some fruity catamite in Lycra to save the world.
Posted by: @TheRealWilliamHayes at May 26, 2022 12:02 PM (FIJ+3)

I would say that's what the Corporate Execs who run the studios want people to support.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 12:04 PM (trdmm)

345 We talk about the "old days", and how things like this didn't happen then.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 11:26 AM (trdmm)

See "Bath School Massacre"...1927.

Posted by: BignJames at May 26, 2022 12:05 PM (AwYPR)

346
"There is neither uranium nor plutonium at the Zaporizhzhia NPP that could be used for military purposes; they were not stored and are not stored. However there are fuel assemblies, but this is a completely different matter and it is called nuclear fuel, which of course all NPP in the world have," Energoatom said on its Telegram channel on Wednesday.

Posted by: SMOD
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Right

Posted by: Braenyard at May 26, 2022 12:05 PM (vPDt3)

347 I think they were legally purchased.. He bought one gun the next day he went back and bought ammo and the next day he bought the other gun.... I think if I was the gun store I would have been a little suspicious... And where did he get the money ?
Posted by: It's me donna at May 26, 2022 12:02 PM (

Speculation is that he used Abuela's credit card. Meaning the gun shop allowed this POS to use a CC with someone elses's name. Not good for the dealer if that's the case. Further speculation is that this kid was smuggling people or dope or both for the cartel across the border and got his money that way.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 12:05 PM (GwxCX)

348 I believe that school massacre was carried out with explosives; dozens of kids killed.

Posted by: FriscoYoda at May 26, 2022 12:06 PM (S7une)

349 314 I'm more concerned about the seemingly absent duty to protect kids.

Those cops apparently didn't enter the classroom where those women and children were being massacred. They waited outside.

Animals do a better job of protecting their young.

Posted by: nurse ratched
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If you really want to shake a lefty anti gunner, tell them that the courts have consistently held that there is no duty for police (or government for that matter) to try to save any individual's life and thus no liability to not do so. See Winnebago Ctv. v. DeShaney and reiterated in Gonzalez v. Castle Rock, Co. https://tinyurl.com/2p9bwaby (link goes to Don Cates reposted at Ladies of High Caliber--female self defense site and anti gun control. )

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 12:06 PM (Iq9dF)

350 Oh, so like the Tucson shooting, this perp was also on the radar and was able to buy anyway? Was political influence in that case (guess which party) - again, something America doesn't know, because no press, no opposition party, few adults.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 26, 2022 12:07 PM (OTzUX)

351 And all the movies are about superheros.
Tells you something about the difference in the everyday, moviegoing public. Back then, people dreamed of cleaning up the streets like Charlie Bronson. Now they want some fruity catamite in Lycra to save the world.
Posted by: @TheRealWilliamHayes at May 26, 2022 12:02 PM (FIJ+3)

Concur. Adult age persons not only love these stoopid movies, they wrap themselves up in the whole fantasy world of fruity catamites in lycra 24/7.

A nation of 8 year olds waiting on Shazam to come give their life meaning.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 26, 2022 12:07 PM (VghRo)

352 347 Hey, if he was smuggling people or dope to get money to buy weapons and ammo to kill some kids, wouldn't that be a reason to shut down the border?

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 26, 2022 12:08 PM (lz5hY)

353
If you really want to shake a lefty anti gunner, tell them that the courts have consistently held that there is no duty for police (or government for that matter) to try to save any individual's life and thus no liability to not do so.

I believe the courts have held that while there's a general obligation to maintain the peace, there's no obligation to help or protect anyone individually.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 26, 2022 12:08 PM (/U27+)

354 I think that our friends in the thoroughly evil and wholly corrupt Democrat Party view "gun control" simply as a way of punishing a strongly Republican donor base, same with their frothing at the mouth hatred of the petroleum industry. The WEF types and Marxist simply want us disarmed because they know full well that the economic tripe that they support relies on theft and confiscation, and at some point people stop wanting to have stuff stolen or confiscated. The Democrats and the cowardly bags of shit (hey, Cornyn, that would be YOU) who support them (even while posing shotgun in hand with the quaint ranch scene in the background) are climbing on mountains of death to get what THEY want for they're own ends, nothing to do with the "betterment" of the world. "Betterment" of anything is beyond their abilities and certainly not one of their concerns, unless it's the betterment of their grifting opportunities.

Posted by: Erik In Texas at May 26, 2022 12:09 PM (2Jd8G)

355 155 A naughty little monkey thought many filthy shameful thoughts watching that video

Posted by: MAxIE at May 26, 2022 12:09 PM (twxj3)

356 Speculation is that he used Abuela's credit card. Meaning the gun shop allowed this POS to use a CC with someone elses's name. Not good for the dealer if that's the case. Further speculation is that this kid was smuggling people or dope or both for the cartel across the border and got his money that way.
Posted by: Minnfidel

**

Like I said:

Illegally purchased

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:09 PM (PVm6k)

357 Since he wasn't charged, he had no criminal record, no justification to deny him firearms. Innocent until proven guilty may have its downsides but I'll take that over vague red flag laws. Relatedly, I personally know several people who refused to get mental health help because it would impact their career and their gun rights.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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This is the unpalatable truth. Zero tolerance for any juvenile crime involving violence etc. and permanent record of such that is accessible is about the one thing that can be done with the current society, etc. That is something though that will be 'unfair' to the majority of the people caught up in the net just as the current zero tolerance in schools involves kicking some girl out for having a Tweety Bird nail clipper. It also will condition people further to authoritarianism.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 12:11 PM (Iq9dF)

358 348 I believe that school massacre was carried out with explosives; dozens of kids killed.
Posted by: FriscoYoda at May 26, 2022 12:06 PM (S7une)

Shows that there have always been dangerously violent lunatics; but I think it's notable that this was the only large scale school killing in America for the first 65 years of the 20th century. Nowadays they're happening every year.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 12:11 PM (trdmm)

359 Animals do a better job of protecting their young.
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 26, 2022 11:59 AM (a0u8+)
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It won't happen with Biden but a teacher protection program should be started encouraging all teacher to volunteer for classes and technique handgun protection program.
Schools should encourage and promote this concept
Every teacher protects his or her class.

Of course 100% won't volunteer and some will fail competency. But the positive numbers will be overwhelming and mass shootings in schools will cease.

One of those two teachers armed with a Weasel recommended .38 would have eliminated the problem toots sweet.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 26, 2022 12:11 PM (vPDt3)

360 Mexico, US Virgin Islands, Jamaica… all the guns come into those places from gun-lax Indiana.

Posted by: David at May 26, 2022 12:11 PM (FsdSE)

361 347 Hey, if he was smuggling people or dope to get money to buy weapons and ammo to kill some kids, wouldn't that be a reason to shut down the border?
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 26, 2022 12:08 PM

The duece you say!

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 12:12 PM (GwxCX)

362 289 I agree the problem isn't guns, it's mental health. But how do you square that with a government that is full-on with transgenderism?

Being of normal sound mind is now considered "mentally ill."
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 26, 2022 11:55 AM (p+1gI)

True. Fairfax School Board now considering that the proper and biologically correct use of pronouns is misconduct. Mental illness is celebrated.

Posted by: 7man at May 26, 2022 12:13 PM (qwO6y)

363 True. Fairfax School Board now considering that the proper and biologically correct use of pronouns is misconduct. Mental illness is celebrated.
Posted by: 7man at May 26, 2022 12:13 PM (qwO6y)

And now we're circling back into the Confucian idea of the Rectification of Names being necessary for a functional society.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 12:14 PM (trdmm)

364 Relatedly, I personally know several people who refused to get mental health help because it would impact their career and their gun rights.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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This. The government gives little wiggle room. Red flag laws will become draconian.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 26, 2022 12:14 PM (Qhnrt)

365 This. The government gives little wiggle room. Red flag laws will become draconian.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 26, 2022 12:14 PM

yep, a mean tweet will get you put on the list. No fucking way on that.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 12:15 PM (GwxCX)

366 I believe the courts have held that while there's a general obligation to maintain the peace, there's no obligation to help or protect anyone individually. Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
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Not really even to keep the peace except in some rare individual circumstances (ie a lynching involving the sheriff and Chattanooga jail for example). There is no duty period to protect people in general from riots, wars, border incursions, etc. which is why insurance excludes such things. In specific instances, like when you are in government custody, it MIGHT apply to an individual but free on the streets, seldom. Occasionally courts have on an ad hoc basis that police are required to be present for enforcing the peace during protests but effectively have not penalized them for being present but not protecting individuals.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 12:16 PM (Iq9dF)

367 58 This is the chaos I discussed in the post. We have to tolerate chaotic behavior because it is inextricably linked with freedom.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 11:13 AM (XIJ/X)

Probably the most important, and wisest, thing said lately. Abortion brings certainty and prevents a wide range of possibilities. The lazy mind craves certainties, the devious mind searches for them, and the evil mind creates them.

Posted by: Erik In Texas at May 26, 2022 12:16 PM (2Jd8G)

368 There should be no reason to sell a tranny a gun. Period. They are either going to shoot themselves or shoot someone else. They have nothing to protect, nothing to lose, nothing to gain.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at May 26, 2022 12:16 PM (sI15f)

369
Shows that there have always been dangerously violent lunatics; but I think it's notable that this was the only large scale school killing in America for the first 65 years of the 20th century. Nowadays they're happening every year.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 12:11 PM (trdmm)

The DNC (and perhaps the RNC) are praying for at least two more mass shootings before November.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 26, 2022 12:19 PM (Qhnrt)

370 RIP Ray Lotta.

Only 67.

Posted by: mpfs at May 26, 2022 12:56 PM (79p/O)

371 Liotta

Posted by: mpfs at May 26, 2022 12:56 PM (79p/O)

372 62 A Moron said it best yesterday.

If the death of a child removes everyone's 'rights' then I'd like to discuss abortion.

YES!!

Posted by: Ciampino at May 26, 2022 12:57 PM (qfLjt)

373 357
the current zero tolerance in schools involves kicking some girl out for having a Tweety Bird nail clipper.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 12:11 PM (Iq9dF)
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Apologies for asking but I am unfamiliar with this 'rule'. Is it considered a weapons issue?

Posted by: Ciampino at May 26, 2022 01:09 PM (qfLjt)

374 I am glad to see the police are adequately armed with rifles, pistols, and bullet-proof vests for their terribly dangerous task of restraining unarmed would-be vigilantes.

Posted by: timactual at May 26, 2022 02:16 PM (Cmxuw)

375 Good job on consistently using the language of the Left, CBD.

Posted by: Cow Demon at May 26, 2022 09:21 PM (CdZ4i)

376 Are we going to find out if this kid was on SSRI's ? Well,
actually no, we'll never be told; but still -- we may need to "have a national conversation about common-sense SSRI control".

Posted by: Doo-Dah, Doo-Dah at May 27, 2022 05:05 AM (UsSRH)

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