Wednesday Morning Rant [Joe Mannix]

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The Government-Research Complex

Since the start of the Russia/Ukraine war and the involvement of the United States in that effort - intelligence, weapons, money, etc. - discussion of Eisenhower's warning about the Military-Industrial Complex (MIC) has once again come into the fore. This is not without reason, given the corruption in Ukraine and Washington, the involvement of big name military contractors, the enthusiastic push for expansion of this war from all corners and so on.

Eisenhower urged constant vigilance with regard to the MIC during his farewell address to Congress. The MIC, however, was only one of his warnings. Another less famous but perhaps more profound warning was about what could be called the Government-Research Complex. His warning in this realm is all but forgotten.

... first is that the process of research has become highly formalized, complex, and extremely costly. Second, because this is so, a steadily increasing share of research is conducted by, for, and under the direction of the Federal government. ... The major impetus to research now comes not from private individuals in pursuit of knowledge for its own sake, but from public agencies in pursuit of specific, predetermined results. ...
Many a college and university is in some manner beholden to the Federal government for funds needed to support its own research program. The prospect of domination of the nation's research effort by the federal government is a real and ever-present one, and deadly serious. ...

The dangers of the Government-Research Complex are perhaps more important - though were less urgent at the time - than the MIC. The Government-Research Complex sets the direction in all things, pursues the goals of the government and starves anything not aligned to those goals. The slow-motion global disaster of the COVID response is perhaps the greatest example of this phenomenon. Government-backed research - and therefore all tolerable research - was in only two directions: stop environmental spread and produce a vaccine. The former absolutely failed and the latter has effectively failed. Any pursuit outside of these two realms was not supported by the state and was in fact suppressed. The costs associated with that have only begun to be borne.

The MIC risk dominated while Eisenhower's second warning was largely forgotten. Research has continued to become more centralized, either under the state itself or under corporate entities partnered with the state and pursuing congruent goals and ambitions. This problem is at least as great as the MIC, and is in the process of destroying science at all levels. COVID, climate change, social theory and more are all directed by the government or congruent with its goals.

And the world is descending into ruin in part as a result of this. The best time to plant a tree is twenty years ago. The second-best time to plant a tree is right now. The government must stop directing research and thwarting unaligned activities. Non-defense scientific pursuits must be left to other parties. They can research and invent unfettered - and unsupported - by government.

Sadly, the road typically runs only one way and this road's destination is post-scientific dark age.

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1 Sponge!

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at May 18, 2022 11:00 AM (SH2Zi)

2 not sponge

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 11:01 AM (LvTSG)

3 Welcome to the new dark age - where the science always goes toward what the rulers demand.

Posted by: Homer's Donuts at May 18, 2022 11:01 AM (BCSAN)

4 Too bad they took Ike's warning as a How-To tutorial.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 18, 2022 11:02 AM (Xk7lk)

5 And then you add sue and settle into the mix.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 11:02 AM (LvTSG)

6 Munkey!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 18, 2022 11:02 AM (h6/n7)

7 If Ike were speaking now, he could include "NGOs".

Posted by: BignJames at May 18, 2022 11:03 AM (AwYPR)

8 Do presidents still do farewell addresses?

Posted by: banana Dream at May 18, 2022 11:03 AM (qsj+f)

9 This dovetails nicely with the Minister of Truth bitch using government studies to prove the need for heavy restrictions on free speech.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at May 18, 2022 11:04 AM (HmZuC)

10 If Ike were speaking now, he could include "NGOs".
Posted by: BignJames at May 18, 2022 11:03 AM (AwYPR)
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Yeah, probably. He calls out universities specifically but the idea of the creepy NGO complex we have today wasn't really a thing. A quasi-private parallel administrative state is a bizarre thing to consider.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 18, 2022 11:04 AM (DU+/6)

11 My grandfather's best friend was one of DDE's science advisors.

He used to laugh when people suggested that Eisenhower wasn't terribly bright. He said that Eisenhower was extremely intelligent and was able to grasp scientific concepts that were beyond most politicians.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 18, 2022 11:05 AM (XIJ/X)

12 I still think the US is calling Putin's bluff. I cannot even see Turnip Head tossing the dice on this. I am more interested in what Xi has in his hand.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 18, 2022 11:05 AM (NsE9F)

13 As for COVID, there are still specimens sporting the "double-mask" attire walking around in supermarkets, as if they're signaling that their very breath is dangerous and walls must be formed before even approaching someone.

Just think of how many lives would have been saved from ruin if there was actual research on treating COVID as no more than a dangerous, but treatable disease as opposed to the constant drumbeat of "DEATH MIASMA!"

Posted by: Homer's Donuts at May 18, 2022 11:06 AM (BCSAN)

14 How long as the Gov been funding all Climate change, warming, crisis research?

There is a weekly pub named "Science News" that I subscribed to for years.
After Al Gore's bs movie every paper was on Co2's damage to the environment.

It was so bad I dumped my subscription, recently I was given a couple of the weeklies. Still the same after all these years.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 18, 2022 11:07 AM (Xk7lk)

15 My college was doing some generic research into modifying boundary layer formation and other fluid/dynamic characteristics in sub and supersonic flow using radiation pulses, like from lasers or microwave bursts. They got a call from the gov saying, no you are not doing that research anymore, here's a big bag of money to help you look in another direction.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 18, 2022 11:08 AM (qsj+f)

16 Yep. I've sat in on a couple of faculty interviews for new hires. A key question boils down to, "How much money will you bring in to our department?"

My university wants to break into the "R1" category (top-tier research school). Turns out that calculation is based on how much money is *spent* on research, not how much money is brought in to conduct research.

A huge amount of time and effort is spent trying to write NSF grants.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 18, 2022 11:08 AM (YIVH2)

17 Our culture has lost the pursuit of truth no matter where it takes us. It has been replaced by fear of wrong think. We can't even have a public discussion of race and social policy because the cause is pre-determined to be white privilege. And climate change causes everything so it is useless to study since the "answer" is always send the serfs back to the stone ages since their comfort causes greenhouse gases.

Posted by: Iris at May 18, 2022 11:08 AM (DibdT)

18 >>>The Government-Research Complex sets the direction in all things, pursues the goals of the government and starves anything not aligned to those goals.

Try explaining that to AGW cultists (or C19 cultists). The science is settled; burn the heretic.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at May 18, 2022 11:08 AM (SH2Zi)

19 Eisenhower was extremely intelligent and was able to grasp scientific concepts that were beyond most politicians.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

That sets the bar rather low...

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 18, 2022 11:08 AM (Xk7lk)

20 I would say the danger is the Government-corporation Complex. And of course that has another name.

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2022 11:08 AM (Vr12I)

21 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 18, 2022 11:05 AM (XIJ/X)

I posted it yesterday -- Ike was a visionary

Posted by: kallisto at May 18, 2022 11:08 AM (DJFLF)

22 DEATH MIASMA opened for DETHKLOK at the Bowery Ball Room in '86.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 18, 2022 11:09 AM (2K0N+)

23 Another danger is the Government - Media complex. The government is increasingly regulating what information we can and can't see thanks largely to their incestuous relationship with the media of all types and often the information we are given is completely fake.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 18, 2022 11:09 AM (ZLI7S)

24 "The slow-motion global disaster of the COVID response is perhaps the greatest example of this phenomenon."

The CV19 response was a disaster only if you don't see its true purposes: to condition the citizens to accept fascism, to enrich the government and its assorted remoras, and to punish political opponents. Viewed in that way, the response succeeded beyond its architects' wildest dreams.

I'm still shocked the country so meekly obeyed utterly outrageous dictats. Had the government decided to herd CV19 skeptics into trains and sent to concentration camps, would the people have gone along with it? I'm afraid the answer is yes.

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 18, 2022 11:09 AM (iFTx/)

25 They got a call from the gov saying, no you are not doing that research anymore, here's a big bag of money to help you look in another direction.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 18, 2022 11:08 AM (qsj+f)

Interesting.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at May 18, 2022 11:09 AM (SH2Zi)

26 Joe, excellent concise thoughts, as always.

And among the most sickening of the astonished depressing thoughts occurring when the election "results" were finalized was precisely about this.

The entire historically unprecedented self-inflicted catastrophe of COVID "response" (meaning lockdowns and literally every form of so-called "mitigation"), and the departure from science and leap into soft-to-firm authoritarianism it represented, would now *never* be examined, there would be no accounting. Nothing.

And here we are. The idiots (and they are idiots) who foisted this destructive nonsense on the world receive awards and promotions, there is zero accountability for their historic criminal incompetence or totalitarian obsessions.

Trump remaining in place wouldn't have automatically meant accountability - but there was at least a chance of same. Now, nothing.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 18, 2022 11:10 AM (OTzUX)

27 He used to laugh when people suggested that Eisenhower wasn't terribly bright. He said that Eisenhower was extremely intelligent and was able to grasp scientific concepts that were beyond most politicians.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 18, 2022 11:05 AM (XIJ/X)
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Eisenhower stupid? Someone truly tried to claim that? The man who was responsible for the most complex logistical and political operation ever attempted by man was claimed to be stupid?

Well, there's some stupid there, but, it most certainly isn't Eisenhower.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 18, 2022 11:10 AM (5pTK/)

28 From the "You can't make this up file" comes todays defense of Nina Jankowicz in WaPo, as written by Taylor Lorenz.

All you need is Louise Mensch to make an appearance and you'd have the complete set of crazy twitter women.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 11:10 AM (QH+GP)

29 I'm afraid the answer is yes.

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 18, 2022 11:09 AM (iFTx/)

I'm afraid you are right. Australia was ahead of the curve, with gun confiscation first. Never give up your guns. Ever.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at May 18, 2022 11:10 AM (SH2Zi)

30 26 Trump remaining in place wouldn't have automatically meant accountability - but there was at least a chance of same. Now, nothing.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 18, 2022 11:10 AM (OTzUX)

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Well, there's always the possibility of things getting so bad that we go full Sri-Lanka.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 11:10 AM (LvTSG)

31 MIASMA?

You mean YO asthma!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at May 18, 2022 11:10 AM (hWaIR)

32 A huge amount of time and effort is spent trying to write NSF grants.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 18, 2022 11:08 AM (YIVH2)
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Of all the candidates I have ever interviewed, I only asked one about his education. This was because he was a PhD in astrophysics. That is a weird educational background for the work we were doing. I asked him why, given his academic pursuits and credentials and publications, he was looking to take a mid-tier tech job. This phenomenon was his answer. He said something along the lines of, "all I do is write grants for a living. It's boring and tedious. I'd like to do something interesting."

He was one of my best hires.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 18, 2022 11:11 AM (DU+/6)

33 Hmmm.

Military (government)- Industrial complex
Government-Media complex
Government-Corporation complex
Government-Education complex
Government-Research complex

I'm starting to sense a common theme here... What could possibly be the common problem in all of these connections?...What could it be? Ponders....

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 18, 2022 11:11 AM (YIVH2)

34 I can remember the hippies complaining about the relationship between the Rand Corporation and the federal government. Now the hippies are running the country...and nothing has changed except the names of the corporations and the politicians.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at May 18, 2022 11:12 AM (HmZuC)

35 Well said Joe.
I am, for the most part, in favor of government funded research, but as you say, government must stop directing research and thwarting unaligned activities. As government got more corrupt, so did the research. Can't have some outsider coming up with something new and better than displacing the existing graft machine.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 18, 2022 11:12 AM (anj39)

36
The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded. ... we must ... be alert to the ... danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific technological elite

https://tinyurl.com/49xw394p

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 18, 2022 11:12 AM (63Dwl)

37 The MIC stocks are down, along with the Dow which is down 650 points so far today.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 18, 2022 11:13 AM (5kI0z)

38 12 I still think the US is calling Putin's bluff. I cannot even see Turnip Head tossing the dice on this. I am more interested in what Xi has in his hand.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 18, 2022 11:05 AM (NsE9F)

The US just parked two air craft carrier battle groups near Japan. The USS Ronald Reagan and the USS Abraham Lincoln

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 18, 2022 11:13 AM (N39Ws)

39 I saw Dearh Miasma open for Megadeth at the Hollywod Palladium in 88.

Posted by: Darth Randall at May 18, 2022 11:13 AM (77Ys8)

40 And the world is descending into ruin in part as a result of this. The best time to plant a tree is twenty years ago. The second-best time to plant a tree is right now. The government must stop directing research and thwarting unaligned activities. Non-defense scientific pursuits must be left to other parties.
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This is well said. Ending government sponsored research would completely crush STEM research at the University level in the short run but might have really salubrious effects over the long haul.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 11:13 AM (QH+GP)

41 37 The MIC stocks are down, along with the Dow which is down 650 points so far today.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 18, 2022 11:13 AM (5kI0z)

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About to break through 32,000.

Fun times.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 11:14 AM (LvTSG)

42 The Government-Research complex is the sole driver of the Klimate-change Kult, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 18, 2022 11:14 AM (U8/nK)

43 During the Cold War, when the Soviet Union was a literal Orwellian nightmare seeking to subjugate the world, the US refused to intervene in Soviet military adventures in Eastern Europe in Hungary and Czechoslovakia that were clearly over the Soviets dominating their neighbors. The argument was that this was not worth risking nuclear armageddon over.

Now a much freer Russia, though not free, is in a limited conflict over the question of self determination for ethnic minorities in Ukraine. One can argue war shouldn't be rewarded, one can argue that the Russians/Russian sympathizers in Ukraine should get f*cked...but we are willing to NOW risk nuclear armageddon over...THIS?

This is literal insanity - especially after the similiar 2014 conflict yielded a collective yawn from the west.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 18, 2022 11:14 AM (ESjRY)

44 A quasi-private parallel administrative state is a bizarre thing to consider.

Posted by: Joe Mannix
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Simply a mutation of communism without a formally named party. NGO's and now even big corporations are essentially arms of the Democratic party and used to govern instead of the formal apparatus.

Posted by: whig at May 18, 2022 11:14 AM (Iq9dF)

45 *checks bookshelf*

*Pulls out, "The Power Elite"*

The late C. Wright Mills might have been on to something. A bit dry, but, not a bad overview of the incestuous relationship between Wall Street, Government and the Military.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 18, 2022 11:14 AM (5pTK/)

46 As for COVID, there are still specimens sporting the "double-mask" attire walking around in supermarkets, as if they're signaling that their very breath is dangerous and walls must be formed before even approaching someone.

we have our share of Covidiots here in SEPA, at the polls yesterday some of the workers were masked. In a state where the hospitalizations are one eleventh what they were at the peak in January 2022.

They need to keep the fear alive, and also show the world that they're all #Science!y, and not #Superspreaders at all.

Posted by: kallisto at May 18, 2022 11:14 AM (DJFLF)

47 Anything that brings academia closer to markets would be excellent

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 11:14 AM (QH+GP)

48 Yea... about those UFOs. Let's spend taxpayer money on those things.

Some have already been identified as drones, sophisticated ones at that, operated by our adversaries to conduct intelligence gathering mission on us. That info gets suppressed to keep the UFO narrative going... for whatever reason. Likely that our security systems to deal with things like this are useless.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 18, 2022 11:14 AM (BFigT)

49 Simply a mutation of communism without a formally named party. NGO's and now even big corporations are essentially arms of the Democratic party and used to govern instead of the formal apparatus.
Posted by: whig at May 18, 2022 11:14 AM (Iq9dF)
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The long march has its prizes.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 18, 2022 11:15 AM (DU+/6)

50 The government, in this case Hillary, media complex in action. From today's Sussmann trial.

@JFHaughy58

Seago said "my bosses at Fusion wanted to get an article in the media about the alleged Trump-Alfa Bank links. She went with Frisch, Berkowitz to journalist Franklin Foer's home to discuss the allegations. He then wrote an article for Slate.


100% made up bullshit and to this day a significant segment of the country believes Trump had a secret communication channel to the Kremlin.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 18, 2022 11:15 AM (ZLI7S)

51 The US just parked two air craft carrier battle groups near Japan. The USS Ronald Reagan and the USS Abraham Lincoln
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 18, 2022 11:13 AM (N39Ws)
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You have no idea how happy I am my Son-in-Law is retiring and missing out on this.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 18, 2022 11:15 AM (5pTK/)

52 Eisenhower was a smart MFer

and he gave us the interstate highway system

I Would Have Liked Ike

Posted by: DB at May 18, 2022 11:15 AM (geLO8)

53 To Whom It May Concern: DHS has decided to shut down the Ministry of Disinformation and Scary Poopins is now without a job.

Story at Zerohedge.

Posted by: CZ = FNG, Free Republic of Florida at May 18, 2022 11:16 AM (MkuC5)

54 Military (government)- Industrial complex
Government-Media complex
Government-Corporation complex
Government-Education complex
Government-Research complex

I'm starting to sense a common theme here... What could possibly be the common problem in all of these connections?...What could it be? Ponders....
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 18, 2022 11:11 AM (YIVH2)
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real-live anti-fascism would be a sight to behold!

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 11:16 AM (QH+GP)

55 we have our share of Covidiots here in SEPA, at the polls yesterday some of the workers were masked. In a state where the hospitalizations are one eleventh what they were at the peak in January 2022.

Posted by: kallisto at May 18, 2022 11:14 AM (DJFLF)


On my way home from work I pass a high school that is usually letting out for the day. I'd say at least 20% of those kids are masked. Mostly girls.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 18, 2022 11:16 AM (DRSnL)

56 From the "You can't make this up file" comes todays defense of Nina Jankowicz in WaPo, as written by Taylor Lorenz.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 11:10 AM

Sounds like the Bee, that can't be real. LOL.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 18, 2022 11:16 AM (HhM4+)

57 From my vantage point, food related stocks are hurting the most today, which I find a little odd. I suppose it is due to contagion from Walmart and Target having poor sales reports. Yet, people still need to eat, no matter what the cost.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 18, 2022 11:16 AM (5kI0z)

58 >The US just parked two air craft carrier battle groups near Japan.


Alert Maverick on Ready One

Posted by: DB at May 18, 2022 11:17 AM (geLO8)

59 And here we are. The idiots (and they are idiots) who foisted this destructive nonsense on the world receive awards and promotions, there is zero accountability for their historic criminal incompetence or totalitarian obsessions.

The best admission of guilt you are going to get is the rather muted celebrations of "we beat COVID!" that are coming out of the FNM.

After 2 years of spending our grandchildren's inheritance and destroying the entire notion of liberty the FNM is trying very, very hard to pretend that COVID never happened...except for the Fauci-ite hold outs of course that want round 2.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 18, 2022 11:17 AM (ESjRY)

60 This is well said. Ending government sponsored research would completely crush STEM research at the University level in the short run but might have really salubrious effects over the long haul.
Posted by: Huck Follywood

It would also eliminate the CCP US academic research spying.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 18, 2022 11:17 AM (Xk7lk)

61 And the collapse of science, its lysenkoization, is in no case more brazen or pernicious than with "climate" nonsense.

Note that even as Trump correctly withdrew the US from the idiotic Paris Accord, not a word was said about the real reason, and the real issue - that the entire "problem" is non-existent, and all "responses" to it are therefore ipso facto baseless and pointless. No. It was "a bad deal for America" - you know, it was just unbalanced, like some trade arrangement.

This is not per se a criticism of the Trump team on this. It's more of a depressed and terrified conclusion that they calculated it was too difficult to actually confront the issue, and so a separate rationale was needed.

Even though public opinion surveys still do not show widespread acceptance of the propagandized cult non-science of "climate change" or the need to "do something" about it, the ramparts of civic and popular culture are completely captured by that cult.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 18, 2022 11:17 AM (OTzUX)

62 53 To Whom It May Concern: DHS has decided to shut down the Ministry of Disinformation and Scary Poopins is now without a job.

Story at Zerohedge.
Posted by: CZ = FNG, Free Republic of Florida at May 18, 2022 11:16 AM (MkuC5)

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I was assured that the ratchet only ever goes in one direction and we can never go back and that anything Democrats do is set in stone forever and ever.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 11:17 AM (LvTSG)

63 To Whom It May Concern: DHS has decided to shut down the Ministry of Disinformation and Scary Poopins is now without a job.

Story at Zerohedge.
Posted by: CZ = FNG, Free Republic of Florida at May 18, 2022 11:16 AM (MkuC5)
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Unstated is that they will move the functions elsewhere and double down, just leaving scary Poppins out of it.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 11:17 AM (QH+GP)

64 11 My grandfather's best friend was one of DDE's science advisors.

He used to laugh when people suggested that Eisenhower wasn't terribly bright. He said that Eisenhower was extremely intelligent and was able to grasp scientific concepts that were beyond most politicians. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Ike got that reputation due to Adlai Stevenson being lauded as one of America's best intellectuals. Ike's hidden hand leadership probably developed from dealing with Russians, Churchill, and FDR also played a part. Ike's public pronouncements on a number of issues were purposefully vague and arguably Ike did decline after his cardiac crisis in sharpness.

Posted by: whig at May 18, 2022 11:17 AM (Iq9dF)

65 DHS has decided to shut down the Ministry of Disinformation and Scary Poopins is now without a job.

Story at Zerohedge.

Posted by: CZ



That's a shame. The ministry of truth didn't even last as long as CNN+

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 18, 2022 11:17 AM (5kI0z)

66 He used to laugh when people suggested that Eisenhower wasn't terribly bright. He said that Eisenhower was extremely intelligent and was able to grasp scientific concepts that were beyond most politicians.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 18, 2022 11:05 AM (XIJ/X)
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Read "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" by Richard Rhodes not too long ago.
The brightest minds in the world, from the turn of the century until Hiroshima were involved. I was taken by just how wrong they would get things until someone solved the problem...and then it was on to the next problem. Egos, money, arguments, and more egos.
I suspect it is no different today. One only needs to look at the CDC.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 18, 2022 11:17 AM (anj39)

67 Good one Joe Mannix ( not the cop)but wish he was
Long thought the MIC has morphed into the bigger Deep State, or maybe the Deep State has joined the MIC

Posted by: Skip's phone at May 18, 2022 11:17 AM (iuV4p)

68 Just think of how many lives would have been saved from ruin if there was actual research on treating COVID as no more than a dangerous, but treatable disease as opposed to the constant drumbeat of "DEATH MIASMA!"
Posted by: Homer's Donuts at May 18, 2022 11:06 AM (BCSAN)

As diseases go, it's not even "moderately" dangerous. About on a par with a middling seasonal flu. Mostly takes the very old and/or the very ill.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 18, 2022 11:18 AM (U8/nK)

69 MIASMA?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at May 18, 2022 11:10 AM (hWaIR)

Freakin' AWESOME album by The Black Dahlia Murder.

https://youtu.be/9ZJrnRSLET0

Posted by: Roberto at May 18, 2022 11:18 AM (1Yy3c)

70
I was assured that the ratchet only ever goes in one direction and we can never go back and that anything Democrats do is set in stone forever and ever.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 11:17 AM (LvTSG)
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Well, yes, this is true.

Posted by: GOPe at May 18, 2022 11:18 AM (5pTK/)

71 Hell if HCQ and Ivermectin ha been able to be used early on the covid death toll would have been a low percentage of the supposed covid death toll. But no the death merchants of democrat politicians, government experts, and the media ran a propaganda campaign that killed hundreds of thousands.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 18, 2022 11:18 AM (iDcra)

72 My college was doing some generic research into modifying boundary layer formation and other fluid/dynamic characteristics in sub and supersonic flow using radiation pulses, like from lasers or microwave bursts. They got a call from the gov saying, no you are not doing that research anymore, here's a big bag of money to help you look in another direction.

Posted by: banana Dream


Well, it is a silly thing to look into. Nothing of interest there.

Posted by: HAARP at May 18, 2022 11:18 AM (OUMaO)

73 Some have already been identified as drones, sophisticated ones at that, operated by our adversaries to conduct intelligence gathering mission on us

I remember back in the 90s/00s some people dug into the more credible UFO reports of the 70s and 80s and...they were the stealth aircraft the US was working on.

Something that should give more serious UFO-ologists pause...but won't.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 18, 2022 11:18 AM (ESjRY)

74 65 That's a shame. The ministry of truth didn't even last as long as CNN+
Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 18, 2022 11:17 AM (5kI0z)

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Probably in no small part due to the idiot they put in charge. She embarrassed the whole idea to the point that Senate Democrats wouldn't even meet with her publicly.

And the person whose idea it was to put her in charge still has authority to make more ridiculous decisions.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 11:18 AM (LvTSG)

75 To Whom It May Concern: DHS has decided to shut down the Ministry of Disinformation and Scary Poopins is now without a job.

Story at Zerohedge.
Posted by: CZ = FNG, Free Republic of Florida at May 18, 2022 11:16 AM (MkuC5)
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Now, just three weeks after its announcement, the Disinformation Governance Board is being “paused,” according to multiple employees at DHS, capping a back-and-forth week of decisions that changed during the course of reporting of this story. On Monday, DHS decided to shut down the board, according to multiple people with knowledge of the situation. By Tuesday morning, Jankowicz had drafted a resignation letter in response to the board’s dissolution.

"Paused." Sure, probably. Not for very long. Jack Johnson's $0.50 titanium tax might go too far, but John Jackson's $0.50 titanium tax doesn't go too far enough. They might "pause" it or change its name, but they're not putting it on a shelf or, even better, in the incinerator.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 18, 2022 11:19 AM (DU+/6)

76 Alert Maverick on Ready One
Posted by: DB at May 18, 2022 11:17 AM


I feel the need...the need for speed!

Posted by: Hunter Biden at May 18, 2022 11:19 AM (h6/n7)

77 Well, there's some stupid there, but, it most certainly isn't Eisenhower.
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Marshall picked Eisenhower. Marshall was a serious mind and knew what he needed in a Supreme Commander. He also picked Patton to be precisely Patton. Dude had very good instincts about what the Army needed.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 18, 2022 11:19 AM (NsE9F)

78 >>>The US just parked two aircraft carrier battle groups near Japan. The USS Ronald Reagan and the USS Abraham Lincoln

The Israelis are about to kick off exercises to simulate a massive strike on Iran. The US are providing refueling tankers, and probably more behind the scenes.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at May 18, 2022 11:19 AM (HmZuC)

79 Alert Maverick on Ready One
Posted by: DB at May 18, 2022 11:17 AM

Sir in regards to Maverick, "I know what you're thinking, just get on it".

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 18, 2022 11:19 AM (HhM4+)

80
They need to keep the fear alive, and also show the world that they're all #Science!y, and not #Superspreaders at all.
Posted by: kallisto

Shun them loudly and back off from them as they are letting everyone know they are ill.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 18, 2022 11:19 AM (Xk7lk)

81 Ike was 61st out of 164 cadets at graduation from West Point. West Point at the time was more like MIT, probably more engineering focused, plus the general military thrown into the mix.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 18, 2022 11:19 AM (lz5hY)

82 This is literal insanity - especially after the similiar 2014 conflict yielded a collective yawn from the west.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 18, 2022 11:14 AM (ESjRY)

Lots of US politicians, including the white house occupant, have a lot of money tied up in Ukraine. Not to mention all the fat cat oligarchs who control those politicians.

The risk of tens of millions being annihilated is not a concern to them. It is more a bonus than a problem.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 18, 2022 11:19 AM (YV6PJ)

83 75 But at least they felt the heat, for once.

Moar Heat, Mr. Chekov!

Posted by: CZ = FNG, Free Republic of Florida at May 18, 2022 11:20 AM (MkuC5)

84 @52

>>I Would Have Liked Ike

Ike also got roughly 40pct of the black vote as well.

Everyone liked Ike.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 18, 2022 11:20 AM (2K0N+)

85 I remember back in the 90s/00s some people dug into the more credible UFO reports of the 70s and 80s and...they were the stealth aircraft the US was working on.

Something that should give more serious UFO-ologists pause...but won't.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 18, 2022 11:18 AM


I want to believe, damn it!

Posted by: Fox Mulder at May 18, 2022 11:20 AM (h6/n7)

86 The point of EVERYTHING the left does is to enhance its power.

So it should not be a surprise that old school science has become SCIENCE (TM).

I was noticing most of the churches where I live have gay flags outside of them. Again, they've take the institution and just use it now to advance their agenda.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 18, 2022 11:20 AM (ESjRY)

87 The US just parked two air craft carrier battle groups near Japan. The USS Ronald Reagan and the USS Abraham Lincoln
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 18, 2022 11:13 AM (N39Ws)
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plus, two other Marine Corps helo assault ship groups, which Japan calls "light carriers" now.

This really is a significant force.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 11:20 AM (QH+GP)

88 Rest assured there is a do nothing Corporate job waiting for Nina Jankowicz.

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2022 11:20 AM (Vr12I)

89 To Whom It May Concern: DHS has decided to shut down the Ministry of Disinformation and Scary Poopins is now without a job.

Story at Zerohedge.
Posted by: CZ = FNG, Free Republic of Florida at May 18, 2022 11:16 AM (MkuC5)


This sounds like disinformation.
In fact, it would be the perfect disinformation.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 18, 2022 11:20 AM (anj39)

90 >>I was assured that the ratchet only ever goes in one direction and we can never go back and that anything Democrats do is set in stone forever and ever.

Must have been some interesting discussions when the lawyers got involved. Along the lines of "Are you out of your fucking mind?".

Posted by: JackStraw at May 18, 2022 11:21 AM (ZLI7S)

91 The MIC employed a lot of taxpayers and was mostly on our side. The Past Tense is a roomy place.

Posted by: klaftern at May 18, 2022 11:21 AM (taPSh)

92 I'm still shocked the country so meekly obeyed utterly outrageous dictats.

I watched a video by a Catholic priest from the UK who stated that the RCC was in a unique position to lead the way, due to its global network. But most bishops were all too eager and willing to close the churches.

There was a time when RC churches stayed open even during days of open warfare and just being seen on the street was an existential threat. But cowardice has overtaken the ranks of the episcopacy.

Posted by: kallisto at May 18, 2022 11:21 AM (DJFLF)

93 Eisenhower stupid? Someone truly tried to claim that?
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Listen here, jack. Just because someone accomplished more than you ever will by the time they were half your age doesn't mean they're smart, ok? It's like that Black Russian fella, a real bad dude, they called him "Law Pop." He thought he was real smart. But I took him behind the Senate woodshed and beat the stuffing outta him with a chain made of trudicialiprazure. Word as a Brandon.

Posted by: Brandon at May 18, 2022 11:21 AM (o0I+B)

94 Independent research is our bag!

Posted by: Surprise Otters at May 18, 2022 11:21 AM (a3Q+t)

95 My college was doing some generic research into modifying boundary layer formation and other fluid/dynamic characteristics in sub and supersonic flow using radiation pulses, like from lasers or microwave bursts. They got a call from the gov saying, no you are not doing that research anymore, here's a big bag of money to help you look in another direction.
Posted by: banana Dream at May 18, 2022 11:08 AM (qsj+f)



Is that like sending a reverse tachyon pulse through the deflector array?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 18, 2022 11:22 AM (yQpMk)

96 It's not to blunt of a statement that every government funded research outside of the hard sciences is a conclusion looking for support. Cough climate change cough.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at May 18, 2022 11:22 AM (rjpjQ)

97 I don't think they'll ditch their plans for MiniTru- just appear to drop it for now


it will be back

Posted by: DB at May 18, 2022 11:22 AM (geLO8)

98 plus, two other Marine Corps helo assault ship groups, which Japan calls "light carriers" now.

This really is a significant force.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 11:20 A

Light carriers? The dummies don't know they are really heavy? 🚢

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 18, 2022 11:22 AM (HhM4+)

99 The Israelis are about to kick off exercises to simulate a massive strike on Iran. The US are providing refueling tankers, and probably more behind the scenes.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at May 18, 2022 11:19 AM (HmZuC)
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Since Iran is so close to accumulating enough enriched uranium to try assembling a bomb, it would not shock me if this exercise turned real.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 11:23 AM (QH+GP)

100 To Whom It May Concern: DHS has decided to shut down the Ministry of Disinformation and Scary Poopins is now without a job.

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Now do Karine Jean-Pierre.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at May 18, 2022 11:23 AM (FVME7)

101 Speaking of the TEA Party, has anyone made a tally of the handful of representatives like Cawthorne who showed up and spoke out regarding the 6th and the steal?

Were any allowed to remain in office by our True Conservative betters?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The left killed Roe V Wade when they removed shame from society at May 18, 2022 11:23 AM (EydL7)

102 I’ve noticed the MSM has a new word to describe maga candidates. They are all firebrands. Read any msm report today about any race involving a maga candidate and chances are they are referred to as a firebrand.

Journo list never really went away.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 18, 2022 11:23 AM (k5+Cf)

103 53 To Whom It May Concern: DHS has decided to shut down the Ministry of Disinformation and Scary Poopins is now without a job.

Story at Zerohedge.
Posted by: CZ = FNG, Free Republic of Florida at May 18, 2022 11:16 AM (MkuC5)

I guess the polls were showing Joey Plugs was getting killed on it.

Posted by: Roberto at May 18, 2022 11:23 AM (1Yy3c)

104 Do presidents still do farewell addresses?

They never have the courtesy to go away.

Posted by: Sinaloa Resident at May 18, 2022 11:23 AM (nfrXX)

105 > DHS has decided to shut down the Ministry of Disinformation and Scary Poopins is now without a job.
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It'll be back. With teeth instead of a weirdo at the helm.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 18, 2022 11:24 AM (BFigT)

106 There was a time when RC churches stayed open even during days of open warfare and just being seen on the street was an existential threat. But cowardice has overtaken the ranks of the episcopacy.
Posted by: kallisto at May 18, 2022 11:21 AM (DJFLF)



Bishops were excommunicated for closing churches during the Black Plague.

Times have clearly changed.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 18, 2022 11:24 AM (yQpMk)

107 >> My college was doing some generic research into modifying boundary layer formation and other fluid/dynamic characteristics in sub and supersonic flow using radiation pulses, like from lasers or microwave bursts.


yeah, I tried that. Blew out my microwave.

Posted by: DB at May 18, 2022 11:24 AM (geLO8)

108 100 To Whom It May Concern: DHS has decided to shut down the Ministry of Disinformation and Scary Poopins is now without a job.

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Now do Karine Jean-Pierre.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at May 18, 2022 11:23 AM (FVME7)

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I don't know why people get worked up by WH spokespeople. They're meaningless.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 11:24 AM (LvTSG)

109 To Whom It May Concern: DHS has decided to shut down the Ministry of Disinformation and Scary Poopins is now without a job.
**

Oh crap. If this is true it's even worse, because that means it's going to be a hidden thing.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The left killed Roe V Wade when they removed shame from society at May 18, 2022 11:24 AM (EydL7)

110 /sock

Posted by: Oddbob at May 18, 2022 11:24 AM (nfrXX)

111 Some hope?

https://tinyurl.com/27x3jmcz

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at May 18, 2022 11:24 AM (SH2Zi)

112 >>> The US just parked two air craft carrier battle groups near Japan. The USS Ronald Reagan and the USS Abraham Lincoln
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 18, 2022 11:13 AM (N39Ws)
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plus, two other Marine Corps helo assault ship groups, which Japan calls "light carriers" now.

This really is a significant force.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 11:20 AM (QH+GP)


[presses play on the device]
This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
[presses rewind]

Posted by: Zombie Fred Thompson at May 18, 2022 11:24 AM (qsj+f)

113 By the way, kudos to whomever came up with "Scary Poppins."

Dead on the money.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 18, 2022 11:25 AM (5pTK/)

114 109 Oh crap. If this is true it's even worse, because that means it's going to be a hidden thing.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The left killed Roe V Wade when they removed shame from society at May 18, 2022 11:24 AM (EydL7)

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Or, what it is already with backchannels between the government and Big Tech about what is acceptable and what is not.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 11:25 AM (LvTSG)

115 To Whom It May Concern: DHS has decided to shut down the Ministry of Disinformation and Scary Poopins is now without a job.
**

Oh crap. If this is true it's even worse, because that means it's going to be a hidden thing.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The left killed Roe V Wade when they removed shame from society at May 18, 2022 11:24 AM (EydL7)

They’ll go underground. And the GOPe will do jack and shit.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 18, 2022 11:25 AM (4ErMj)

116
Bishops were excommunicated for closing churches during the Black Plague.


BUT COVID IS THE DEADLIEST DISEASE EVER!

Posted by: Your average well educated LIV at May 18, 2022 11:25 AM (ESjRY)

117 Looks like the Ministry of Truth just got its pink slip.

Posted by: WisRich at May 18, 2022 11:26 AM (G0vdT)

118 It'll be back. With teeth instead of a weirdo at the helm.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 18, 2022 11:24 AM (BFigT)
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AOC will be in charge?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 18, 2022 11:26 AM (5pTK/)

119 Now do Karine Jean-Pierre.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at May 18, 2022 11:23 AM (FVME7)

Another Deep-State Uberwench in need of The Treatment.

Posted by: CZ = FNG, Free Republic of Florida at May 18, 2022 11:26 AM (MkuC5)

120 DOW is below 32,000 for the first time since February of 2021.

All the stock gains from Biden's administration are pretty much gone.

But the DNC will message.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 11:26 AM (LvTSG)

121 @38

>>The US just parked two air craft carrier battle groups near Japan. The USS Ronald Reagan and the USS Abraham Lincoln

The Junta has also sent 700 troops to Somalia.

Looks like WAR is back on the Menu Boys!!!
--
MIC CONTRACTOR.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 18, 2022 11:26 AM (2K0N+)

122 My college was doing some generic research into modifying boundary layer formation and other fluid/dynamic characteristics in sub and supersonic flow using radiation pulses, like from lasers or microwave bursts. They got a call from the gov saying, no you are not doing that research anymore, here's a big bag of money to help you look in another direction.
Posted by: banana Dream at May 18, 2022 11:08 AM (qsj+f)

Is that like sending a reverse tachyon pulse through the deflector array?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 18, 2022 11:22 AM (yQpMk)
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Hmmmm...
I'm no scientist, but I suspect that had some interesting potential applications for aerial craft.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 18, 2022 11:26 AM (anj39)

123 Bishops were excommunicated for closing churches during the Black Plague.

BUT COVID IS THE DEADLIEST DISEASE EVER!
*

I'm told the latest Science has speculated that the coronavirus might be evolving so that we could simultaneously see three or more different strains across the U.S. each year.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The left killed Roe V Wade when they removed shame from society at May 18, 2022 11:27 AM (EydL7)

124 >>Do presidents still do farewell addresses?


I stopped listening after Reagan

Posted by: DB at May 18, 2022 11:27 AM (geLO8)

125 Well, after yesterdays pause, the stock market has resumed its "Jomentum" dive into the nearest cliff.

Stagflation ahoy!

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 11:27 AM (QH+GP)

126 81 Ike was 61st out of 164 cadets at graduation from West Point. West Point at the time was more like MIT, probably more engineering focused, plus the general military thrown into the mix.
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Ike served as MacArthur's aide in the Phillipines and Washington. He learned how to handle Generals. This was the first requirement for a Supreme Commander.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 18, 2022 11:27 AM (NsE9F)

127 Now do Karine Jean-Pierre.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at May 18, 2022 11:23 AM


* calls doctor *

Sorry, as much as I love this team, doc says you're gonna die.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 18, 2022 11:27 AM (a3Q+t)

128 The long march has its prizes.

Posted by: Joe Mannix
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Yes and no. Communism has the peaceful succession problem and only place that solved that is North Korea which is essentially a king and ruling family. Some interesting articles about how the Kim family and retainers run a complete shadow state while the actual state institutions are increasingly withering away.

Posted by: whig at May 18, 2022 11:27 AM (Iq9dF)

129 I’ve noticed the MSM has a new word to describe maga candidates. They are all firebrands.

When they use that word for their candidates, they mean it as a compliment.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 18, 2022 11:27 AM (nfrXX)

130 Must have been some interesting discussions when the lawyers got involved. Along the lines of "Are you out of your fucking mind?".
Posted by: JackStraw at May 18, 2022 11:21 AM

As long as it's shit canned I am happy. It was creepy, scary and disgusting that it got that far. I guess crazy Eichman will have to go swing her crazy tits somewhere else.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 18, 2022 11:27 AM (HhM4+)

131 The Left is always war mongering. It is a nifty distraction from the internal destruction.

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2022 11:28 AM (Vr12I)

132 All the stock gains from Biden's administration are pretty much gone.

**

Yep. It was all momentum from Trump. We're in a lot of trouble moving forward.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The left killed Roe V Wade when they removed shame from society at May 18, 2022 11:28 AM (EydL7)

133 I've always found it rather fascinating that way back then, Ike didn't at all like what he saw coming down the pike.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 18, 2022 11:28 AM (Xrfse)

134 Every arm of government has a new objective, you dead. They must protect the Earth and future babies from their abortion.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 18, 2022 11:28 AM (xNnaA)

135 So we had Reagan after Carter last time.

What happens when you have Reagan first?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The left killed Roe V Wade when they removed shame from society at May 18, 2022 11:28 AM (EydL7)

136 The government must stop directing research and thwarting unaligned activities. Non-defense scientific pursuits must be left to other parties. They can research and invent unfettered - and unsupported - by government.

As a former defense-related scientist, I disagree. The answer is not to kill all government-funded research, it's to get the politics out of the funding choices. Easier said than done, I know, but there was a time and place when it was the norm.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 11:28 AM (ZsR3z)

137 Actor of the Day

Jonathan Pryce was in Pirates of the Caribbean with Orlando Bloom, who was in Lord of the Rings with Christopher Lee.

Jonathan Pryce was in Pirates of the Caribbean with Johnny Depp, who was in Black Mass with Kevin Bacon.

Annoying actor, IMHO. I would not have cast him in Brazil or The World Is Not Enough.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 18, 2022 11:29 AM (44ww/)

138 Rest assured there is a do nothing Corporate job waiting for Nina Jankowicz.
Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2022 11:20 AM (Vr12I)

Which will be a challenge to her mad skillz.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 18, 2022 11:29 AM (U8/nK)

139 If this drop takes out my (5)-c-C I am gonna be mighty pissed.

Posted by: CZ = FNG, Free Republic of Florida at May 18, 2022 11:29 AM (MkuC5)

140 I'd say at least 20% of those kids are masked. Mostly girls.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 18, 2022 11:16 AM (DRSnL)

Just the uggos.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at May 18, 2022 11:29 AM (SH2Zi)

141 Russia Is Orchestrating a New Holodomor in Ukraine

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Meanwhile, in the US . . .

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at May 18, 2022 11:29 AM (FVME7)

142 There was a time when RC churches stayed open even during days of open warfare and just being seen on the street was an existential threat. But cowardice has overtaken the ranks of the episcopacy.
Posted by: kallisto at May 18, 2022 11:21 AM (DJFLF)

Current Bishops obviously don't believe Canon Law really means anything.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 18, 2022 11:30 AM (Xk7lk)

143 Marc Elias is taking the stand in the Sussmann trial.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 18, 2022 11:30 AM (ZLI7S)

144 "Scary Poppins" was a headline in the NY Post. I don't know if they thought of it originally but they're known for clever headlines-one of the most famous being "Headless body found in topless bar."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 18, 2022 11:30 AM (btEEw)

145 138 Rest assured there is a do nothing Corporate job waiting for Nina Jankowicz.
Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2022 11:20 AM (Vr12I)

Which will be a challenge to her mad skillz.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 18, 2022 11:29 AM (U8/nK)

Target needs some help...

Posted by: CZ = FNG, Free Republic of Florida at May 18, 2022 11:30 AM (MkuC5)

146 Puddin Head

Ike always said “I studied dramatics under him {MacArthur} for five years in Washington and four years in the Philippines.”

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 18, 2022 11:30 AM (u82oZ)

147 Once again, Biden has managed to identify and select for the worst of all possible worlds. The Ministry is gone, but the memory of his endorsement of it remains.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 11:30 AM (ZsR3z)

148 As a former defense-related scientist, I disagree. The answer is not to kill all government-funded research, it's to get the politics out of the funding choices. Easier said than done, I know, but there was a time and place when it was the norm.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 11:28 AM (ZsR3z)
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Impossible. Even if it starts as the norm, it will become the non-norm fairly quickly. Government equals politics. Where the state is involved, politics are involved. If it doesn't start that way, it will become that way. No checks or balances will ultimately succeed because it *will* become corrupted by power considerations. There is no other possible outcome. The only way to avoid that is to have the government simply not be involved at all, and to actively work constantly to minimize its involvement where it must be involved.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 18, 2022 11:31 AM (DU+/6)

149 144 Marc Elias is taking the stand in the Sussmann trial.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 18, 2022 11:30 AM (ZLI7S)

=========

"Is it true that you are an ugly troll of dubious parentage who loves to fuck dead goats?"

"Am I under oath?"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 11:31 AM (LvTSG)

150 If this drop takes out my (5)-c-C I am gonna be mighty pissed.

*

We're in an Ike Turner system of government right now.

You know I love you, baby. Why do you make me hit you after you voted for Trump?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The left killed Roe V Wade when they removed shame from society at May 18, 2022 11:31 AM (EydL7)

151 MUMR is actually amusing at times.

Who is this and what have they done with the original MUMR?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 18, 2022 11:31 AM (5pTK/)

152 Demofascist Propaganda is running a theme that Pennsy Republicans spent yesterday electing Jan 6 people to office when they should be in prison, for denying Joe his just victory. "Election Deniers" is their favorite term o' the day.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 11:31 AM (aACSV)

153 Nobody's "risking nukyler armageddon" over Ukraine, nor has anyone even considered it. Nor will they.

Russia is a weak, militarily incompetent middle-tier country at the moment, nothing more. In the Cold War they were a totally mobilized, massively armed colossus with a nominal ideological character (though this played zero role in near-abroad practical policy, which then as now was purely geographic and defensive in the sense of building "buffers").

More relevant, US interests do not include anything at stake in the current conflict. Oh sure, there's a marginal interest in peace love and pink bunnies characterizing Europe, but incredibly the world today is a lot different than 1948-1991, and European security (which isn't in play anyway) is definitely a *European* interest - well, to some, not most, based on recent history. In any case, their call and problem.

The Westphalian system of nation-states is not imperiled by Russia's desperate moves in Ukraine. There's at best a limp and somewhat academic concern about borders (recently established, clearly not congruent with history or populace in some cases).

Posted by: rhomboid at May 18, 2022 11:31 AM (OTzUX)

154 Many a college and university is in some manner beholden to the Federal government for funds needed to support its own research program.

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I've been aware of this situation since attending college myself in the early 80's but, as noted by Mannix (thank you for the enlightenment), was unaware of Eisenhower's warning here.

And even though he was before my time, I'm aware that the D's defamed him & ridiculed his intelligence -- despite his contributions to winning WWII -- as they've done with every Republican POTUS & presidential candidate since.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun and games at May 18, 2022 11:31 AM (Q+M7t)

155 I'm told the latest Science has speculated that the coronavirus might be evolving so that we could simultaneously see three or more different strains across the U.S. each year.

oh, where have we heard this before? Seasonal flu outbreaks perchance?

Methinks it is a similar pattern!

Posted by: kallisto at May 18, 2022 11:32 AM (DJFLF)

156 I don't know why people get worked up by WH spokespeople. They're meaningless.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 11:24 AM (LvTSG)

They are a good reflection of the quality of people for whom they "spokes".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 18, 2022 11:32 AM (U8/nK)

157 @Fenelon, thanks!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 18, 2022 11:32 AM (5pTK/)

158 147 Once again, Biden has managed to identify and select for the worst of all possible worlds. The Ministry is gone, but the memory of his endorsement of it remains.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 11:30 AM (ZsR3z)

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His administration is a bunch of competing interests, most of whom seem to be radical leftists with no concept of history, tactics, or consequences. They are simply there to out-woke each other in a quest for power over individual fiefdoms. This Misinformation Board was a play at taking over Big Tech from one faction against another, probably.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 11:32 AM (LvTSG)

159 To Whom It May Concern: DHS has decided to shut down the Ministry of Disinformation and Scary Poopins is now without a job.
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I had a feeling this was coming. Seriously bad optics and a terrible choice to run it.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 18, 2022 11:32 AM (oeEyy)

160 As a former defense-related scientist, I disagree. The answer is not to kill all government-funded research, it's to get the politics out of the funding choices. Easier said than done, I know, but there was a time and place when it was the norm.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 11:28 AM (ZsR3z)
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Impossible. Even if it starts as the norm, it will become the non-norm fairly quickly. Government equals politics. Where the state is involved, politics are involved. If it doesn't start that way, it will become that way. No checks or balances will ultimately succeed because it *will* become corrupted by power considerations. There is no other possible outcome. The only way to avoid that is to have the government simply not be involved at all, and to actively work constantly to minimize its involvement where it must be involved.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 18, 2022 11:31 AM (DU+/6)

They had their chance and fucked up. No more of this shit.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 18, 2022 11:33 AM (4ErMj)

161 Annoying actor, IMHO. I would not have cast him in Brazil or The World Is Not Enough.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 18, 2022 11:29 AM (44ww/)



I thought he was perfect in Something Wicked This Way Comes.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 18, 2022 11:33 AM (yQpMk)

162 oh, where have we heard this before? Seasonal flu outbreaks perchance?

Methinks it is a similar pattern!
Posted by: kallisto

**

You're never going to believe what a cold virus is.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The left killed Roe V Wade when they removed shame from society at May 18, 2022 11:33 AM (EydL7)

163 I'm still shocked the country so meekly obeyed utterly outrageous dictats. Had the government decided to herd CV19 skeptics into trains and sent to concentration camps, would the people have gone along with it? I'm afraid the answer is yes.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 18, 2022 11:09 AM (iFTx/)

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Candace Owen, upon seeing how happy a plane load of people were to be free of masks, said it bothered her that so few people on that plane were unaware that they could have removed their masks at any time, but chose to obey.

Posted by: Chillin the most at May 18, 2022 11:33 AM (R/oXC)

164 Marc Elias is taking the stand in the Sussmann trial.

Never thought I’d see that. And neither did he.

Posted by: Squid at May 18, 2022 11:33 AM (qy6Ot)

165 As long as it's shit canned I am happy. It was creepy, scary and disgusting that it got that far. I guess crazy Eichman will have to go swing her crazy tits somewhere else.
Posted by: Minnfidel at May 18, 2022 11:27 AM (HhM4+)
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The sad part is there is probably no shortage of six-figure salaried job opportunities for her. She should be a homeless crazy cat lady begging to give handjobs for cash...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 18, 2022 11:33 AM (YIVH2)

166 148 As a former defense-related scientist, I disagree. The answer is not to kill all government-funded research, it's to get the politics out of the funding choices. Easier said than done, I know, but there was a time and place when it was the norm.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 11:28 AM (ZsR3z)
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Impossible. Even if it starts as the norm, it will become the non-norm fairly quickly. Government equals politics. Where the state is involved, politics are involved. If it doesn't start that way, it will become that way. No checks or balances will ultimately succeed because it *will* become corrupted by power considerations. There is no other possible outcome. The only way to avoid that is to have the government simply not be involved at all, and to actively work constantly to minimize its involvement where it must be involved.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 18, 2022 11:31 AM (DU+/6)
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I applauded when they got rid of earmarks. For precisely this reason. Politicians want that new business in their district and the resulting campaign contributions.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 18, 2022 11:33 AM (anj39)

167 Thomas Bender

Two of our operational carriers is a lot. We have any SIG INT on China and Taiwan?

And not under the cover of the cancelled Japanese AEGIS ashore. I want COM Seventh Fleet embarked in the battle group.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 18, 2022 11:35 AM (u82oZ)

168 I was working a project in Whiteman AB and I heard a plane taking off. I looked and looked and could not see it for a bit.

We are used to the Batarang plan view of the B2, but edge on it looks like a flying saucer.

Posted by: blaster at May 18, 2022 11:35 AM (x0nsc)

169 >>>Scary Poopins is now without a job.

She's a smug, vapid, incompetent far-left hack. I sniff a Netflix special and guest host gigs for Colbert.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at May 18, 2022 11:35 AM (HmZuC)

170 169 >>>Scary Poopins is now without a job.

She's a smug, vapid, incompetent far-left hack. I sniff a Netflix special and guest host gigs for Colbert.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at May 18, 2022 11:35 AM (HmZuC)

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Well, Netflix is out for now.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 11:35 AM (LvTSG)

171 I applauded when they got rid of earmarks. For precisely this reason. Politicians want that new business in their district and the resulting campaign contributions.

Posted by: Diogenes
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Earmarks are back for Senate Republicans (dunno about House R's) and never went away for Democrats.

Posted by: whig at May 18, 2022 11:35 AM (Iq9dF)

172 The sad part is there is probably no shortage of six-figure salaried job opportunities for her. She should be a homeless crazy cat lady begging to give handjobs for cash...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 18, 2022 11:33 AM (YIVH2)
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give it a little time...

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 11:35 AM (aACSV)

173 She's a smug, vapid, incompetent far-left hack. I sniff a Netflix special and guest host gigs for Colbert.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at May 18, 2022 11:35 AM (HmZuC)
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Probably just the talking head circuit and a three-book deal. She's already an "accomplished" author and a public intellectual, so it won't even raise an eyebrow.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 18, 2022 11:36 AM (DU+/6)

174 Russia is a weak, militarily incompetent middle-tier country at the moment, nothing more.


Here is a long, but very interesting article on how drones are altering warfare in the same way the Maxim gun did. In short, small, cheap drones will dramatically alter the calculus of war in favor of smaller, less well-armed adversaries who effectively use them. There are some things which are overstated, but in general, it's pretty accurate.

https://tinyurl.com/2z6a6ncr

Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 11:36 AM (ZsR3z)

175 The disinfo governance board isn't "gone." It's been "paused." Scary Poppins is said to be resigning, maybe. Who thinks she's not going to surface elsewhere? Who also thinks the concept of a disinfo ministry is going away with this admin?

They fucked up it's rollout. It'll be back.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 18, 2022 11:36 AM (BFigT)

176 "Scary Poppins" was a headline in the NY Post. I don't know if they thought of it originally but they're known for clever headlines-one of the most famous being "Headless body found in topless bar."
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 18, 2022 11:30 AM (btEEw)



"Ike Beats Tina to Death"

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 18, 2022 11:36 AM (yQpMk)

177 Another danger is the Government - Media complex. The government is increasingly regulating what information we can and can't see thanks largely to their incestuous relationship with the media of all types and often the information we are given is completely fake.
Posted by: JackStraw
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I'm sorry, the above has been reviewed and deemed Disinformation.

Posted by: Nono Yankowicz at May 18, 2022 11:36 AM (wcs7v)

178 Serious question - when was the last successful overthrow of a Fascist/Communist tyranny, the Soviet Union excepted?

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2022 11:36 AM (Vr12I)

179 Well, at least we know where most of our operational navy is right now...

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 11:36 AM (aACSV)

180 "I'm still shocked the country so meekly obeyed utterly outrageous dictats. Had the government decided to herd CV19 skeptics into trains and sent to concentration camps, would the people have gone along with it? I'm afraid the answer is yes.
Posted by: Elric Blade "


There were plenty of people publicly saying that is what needed to be done. Had the govt made it policy they would have volunteered as camp guards.

Posted by: Ripley at May 18, 2022 11:37 AM (MxEKc)

181 >>> I don't know why people get worked up by WH spokespeople. They're meaningless.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 11:24 AM (LvTSG)

They are a good reflection of the quality of people for whom they "spokes".
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 18, 2022 11:32 AM (U8/nK)


They are meaningless when a leftist rules because they are completely redundant. The entire media is already the "spokesman" for the leftists. When a non-leftist tries to govern then their spokesperson is really one of the only public voices opposing the monolithic leftist propaganda for the permanent ruling-class regime.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 18, 2022 11:37 AM (qsj+f)

182 I'm sorry, the above has been reviewed and deemed Disinformation.
Posted by: Nono Yankowicz at May 18, 2022 11:36 AM (wcs7v)
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HEY! You resigned! You have no authoritah here!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 18, 2022 11:37 AM (YIVH2)

183 Serious question - when was the last successful overthrow of a Fascist/Communist tyranny, the Soviet Union excepted?
Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2022 11:36 AM (Vr12I)

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Hmm, Chile?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 18, 2022 11:37 AM (5pTK/)

184 I don't think they'll ditch their plans for MiniTru- just appear to drop it for now
it will be back
Posted by: DB

Ultimate control of what we're ALLOWED to see and say has always been one of their ultimate orgasmic fantasies. No way they're just giving up. They realize now they were too brazen in announcing it. They'll go into the shadows for a bit, but nothing is being put on hold or dropped.

Posted by: Biergood at May 18, 2022 11:38 AM (FQWHA)

185 I want COM Seventh Fleet embarked in the battle group.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 18, 2022 11:35 AM


Does xe know how to use a maneuvering board?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 18, 2022 11:38 AM (a3Q+t)

186 >>>Two of our operational carriers is a lot. We have any SIG INT on China and Taiwan?

Think North Korea. Rumor has it they're getting ready to test an ICBM. It may be time to put Lil' Kim's Fun Nuke Park out of commission.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at May 18, 2022 11:38 AM (HmZuC)

187 Serious question - when was the last successful overthrow of a Fascist/Communist tyranny, the Soviet Union excepted?
Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2022 11:36 AM (Vr12I)

September 11, 1973.

Posted by: Mi General at May 18, 2022 11:38 AM (o0I+B)

188 133 I've always found it rather fascinating that way back then, Ike didn't at all like what he saw coming down the pike.

another bad review for star trek: strange new worlds?

Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at May 18, 2022 11:38 AM (oY6Yp)

189 Annoying actor, IMHO. I would not have cast him in Brazil or The World Is Not Enough.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 18, 2022 11:29 AM (44ww/)

I thought he was perfect in Something Wicked This Way Comes.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 18, 2022 11:33 AM


Agree. I liked him as The Master in the Comic Relief Doctor Who parody, too.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 18, 2022 11:39 AM (h6/n7)

190 The US has sent troops to OZ with lots of nice beaches and pretty girls, and to Poland with lots of pretty girls who really know how to cook. How would you like to be with those 700 poor bastards getting sent to Somalia?

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 18, 2022 11:39 AM (lz5hY)

191 Here is a long, but very interesting article on how drones are altering warfare in the same way the Maxim gun did.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 11:36 AM (ZsR3z)

Not only are Ukraine forces using small consumer drones for recon purposes, they are buying commercial satellite imagery for targeting data. This is war, commercialized.

That, plus tens of billions of American money and plenty of Turkish armed drones, gets you a lot.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 11:39 AM (aACSV)

192 53 To Whom It May Concern: DHS has decided to shut down the Ministry of Disinformation and Scary Poopins is now without a job.

Story at Zerohedge.
Posted by: CZ = FNG, Free Republic of Florida at May 18, 2022 11:16 AM (MkuC5)

Great news. Good job on Jack Posobiec for getting in front of this.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 18, 2022 11:40 AM (N39Ws)

193 US participating in an Israeli exercise directed at an Iran-esque contingency? Impossible to believe. Either part, sure, but together, nope.

This "administration" has been bowing/scraping just like the idiots of the Obama years, begging Iran to let us let them out of jail. It's as bad as it was then, if not worse. No indication the idiots pushing this have changed their minds.

In the past, these idiots went to the length of shutting down big and important global anti-terror/anti-criminal operations that had snagged Iran, via Hezbollah - just to appease the vermin Tehran and get their "deal". Guess we'll see, but the claim about this exercise is difficult to believe.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 18, 2022 11:40 AM (OTzUX)

194 Was the coup in Chile top down or grassroots?

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2022 11:40 AM (Vr12I)

195 The Israelis are about to kick off exercises to simulate a massive strike on Iran. The US are providing refueling tankers, and probably more behind the scenes.
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Israel has been striking in Syria quite a lot recently to prevent Iran from establishing permanent bases, etc. Just a few days ago, Russia for the first time fired S300 missiles at Israeli planes.

This was taken as a brush-back pitch to dissuade Israel from providing support to Ukraine, but it could mean more than that.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 18, 2022 11:40 AM (sWM8x)

196 The disinfo governance board isn't "gone." It's been "paused." Scary Poppins is said to be resigning, maybe. Who thinks she's not going to surface elsewhere? Who also thinks the concept of a disinfo ministry is going away with this admin?

They fucked up it's rollout. It'll be back.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 18, 2022 11:36 AM (BFigT)

Yep. They have been agitating for this since they started crying "Global Warming deniers."

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at May 18, 2022 11:41 AM (SH2Zi)

197 Somalia has some nice beaches
Just no pretty girls in swimsuits go to them

Posted by: Yo! Ultra Ultra MAGA at May 18, 2022 11:41 AM (+PEv6)

198 Archimedes

I dated a NSF apparatchik. Well before she went all Commie in Northern Virginia. But she was pretty far left. We were not a good mix. I crashed and burned. She, not so much.

She was one of the program directors at NSF afterwards.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 18, 2022 11:41 AM (u82oZ)

199 Not only are Ukraine forces using small consumer drones for recon purposes, they are buying commercial satellite imagery for targeting data. This is war, commercialized.

One of the more fascinating developments has been the fact that the Chinese and Russians are starting to realize how much of a game changer Musk's Starlink network will be. You can't take out the entire constellation, and they are quite flexible and configurable. Thus, the assumption that you can take out America's satellites and thereby destroy her satellite-reliant arms just took a very big hit.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 11:42 AM (ZsR3z)

200 From my vantage point, food related stocks are hurting the most today, which I find a little odd. I suppose it is due to contagion from Walmart and Target having poor sales reports. Yet, people still need to eat, no matter what the cost.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 18,

I would guess that they do not make much money on food. It's a lure so while you're there you pick up the garden hose, blouse, socks, or some other.

The food lure is still there, but you forgo the hose, etc. Thus, considerable lower earnings in the future.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at May 18, 2022 11:42 AM (KE/UI)

201 Was the coup in Chile top down or grassroots?
Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2022 11:40 AM (Vr12I)
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Top down. Pinochet was a general.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 18, 2022 11:42 AM (5pTK/)

202
Was the coup in Chile top down or grassroots?
Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2022 11:40 AM (Vr12I)

Morning of September 11, Chilean Air Force units loyal to Pinochet bombarded La Moneda Palace in advance of ground forces seizing it.

But most of Chile had had enough of Allende's bullshit by then. So, power of "and."

Posted by: Mi General at May 18, 2022 11:42 AM (o0I+B)

203 Here is a long, but very interesting article on how drones are altering warfare in the same way the Maxim gun did.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 11:36 AM (ZsR3z)
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Considering how important real-time intelligence gathering is to warfare, I'm not at all surprised.

I'm not sure if we fully understand how future wars will be conducted.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 18, 2022 11:42 AM (YIVH2)

204 201 Was the coup in Chile top down or grassroots?
Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2022 11:40 AM (Vr12I)
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Top down. Pinochet was a general.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 18, 2022 11:42 AM (5pTK/)

Thanks. I will read up about it.

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2022 11:42 AM (Vr12I)

205 203 I'm not sure if we fully understand how future wars will be conducted.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 18, 2022 11:42 AM (YIVH2)

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Giant mechs. We can call them jaegers.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 11:43 AM (LvTSG)

206 >>> Here is a long, but very interesting article on how drones are altering warfare in the same way the Maxim gun did. In short, small, cheap drones will dramatically alter the calculus of war in favor of smaller, less well-armed adversaries who effectively use them. There are some things which are overstated, but in general, it's pretty accurate.

https://tinyurl.com/2z6a6ncr
Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 11:36 AM (ZsR3z)


There are a lot of passive electro-magnetic things that can be done to negate any drone advantages leaving only very advanced autonomous vehicles functional. But small state actors aren't going to have autonomous vehicles unless they were given them by a wealth super-state. Those passive methods will be developed and deployed to a great extent now. The MIC loves tech/$$$ wars.

The best weapons advancement is one that works only for a short while before it can be easily defeated requiring uncle sugar to give you some more money, wash repeat.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 18, 2022 11:43 AM (qsj+f)

207 She was one of the program directors at NSF afterwards.

Posted by: NaCly Dog


Yeah, I know quite a few of them. They aren't all like that, but there are definitely too many. Sounds like a task for DeSantis / Trump to clean out the Augean Stables.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 11:43 AM (ZsR3z)

208 Poker Chimp!

Posted by: Hands at May 18, 2022 11:43 AM (786Ro)

209 Pope Frankie today says sending endless weapons to Ukraine is "madness" and, suddenly, he is Wrong Thinking and being criticized by the lefties and neocons.

So, war>socialism if you are keeping score.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 11:43 AM (aACSV)

210 Morning of September 11, Chilean Air Force units loyal to Pinochet bombarded La Moneda Palace in advance of ground forces seizing it.

But most of Chile had had enough of Allende's bullshit by then. So, power of "and."
Posted by: Mi General at May 18, 2022 11:42 AM (o0I+B)
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Meanwhile, Pinochet is still reviled by all the right people. Which means he was correct in what he did.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 18, 2022 11:44 AM (5pTK/)

211 Duncanthrax

Once. He has a slick console now, and staff that do the updates, including CPAs.

With power out, MoBoard is useless.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 18, 2022 11:44 AM (u82oZ)

212 NO MORE BITCHING!

The US women's National Soccer Team has reached a new contract. Presumably, they're ok with the terms.

Megan Rapinoe's loud mouth is taking it hard.

Posted by: 496 at May 18, 2022 11:44 AM (VJsqe)

213 Something that should give more serious UFO-ologists pause...but won't.

I’ve been researching the UFO fad of the late seventies/early eighties, and as a part of it I decided to listen to a modern UFO podcast. Two people. At the end of the year they did a “best UFO sightings of the year”, and one guy gave his number one choice; the other guy said, yeah, it turns out that’s been conclusively explained.

There was an insight hidden there that went right over their heads. At high speed and with physically impossible turns.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 18, 2022 11:44 AM (U+Oxn)

214 I'm not sure if we fully understand how future wars will be conducted.

Protip: we never do.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 11:44 AM (ZsR3z)

215 Eisenhower's record far outweighs his negatives but allowing Stalin to use him as a prop during his propaganda parade is a low point.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 18, 2022 11:44 AM (oc1LF)

216 From my vantage point, food related stocks are hurting the most today, which I find a little odd. I suppose it is due to contagion from Walmart and Target having poor sales reports. Yet, people still need to eat, no matter what the cost.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 18,

I would guess that they do not make much money on food. It's a lure so while you're there you pick up the garden hose, blouse, socks, or some other.

The food lure is still there, but you forgo the hose, etc. Thus, considerable lower earnings in the future.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at May 18, 2022 11:42 AM (KE/UI)
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Yep. Even for big box stores like Walmart, the profit margins on their supermarket section are probably pretty slim, comparable to a generic supermarket (around 1%). Their goal is for you to buy other stuff "because it's there" and reasonably priced. When you can only afford food or have to choose between what luxury goods you can afford, you'll go with food every time.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 18, 2022 11:44 AM (YIVH2)

217 Here is a long, but very interesting article on how drones are altering warfare in the same way the Maxim gun did.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 11:36 AM (ZsR3z)


There is a billion dollar industry waiting for the first effective counter-UAS capability.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 18, 2022 11:45 AM (anj39)

218 Any news out of Sri Lanka since they supposedly ran out of fuel?

Posted by: Oddbob at May 18, 2022 11:45 AM (nfrXX)

219 Penn State was accused of hiding a research program on "fetus" parts. I don't remember details but the story seemed to have disappeared. It wouldn't surprise me if the octogenarians currently operating the levers of power are behind the funding of this program, for the purposes of living another few decades off the research results. Yeah, yeah tin-foil hattery, but there have been a lot of things happening starting with covid that have happened that now this seems plausible. Oh yeah, and f*** that pipsqueak mengele wannabe Fauci in particular.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 18, 2022 11:45 AM (fs1hN)

220 "The disinfo governance board isn't "gone." It's been "paused." Scary Poppins is said to be resigning, maybe. Who thinks she's not going to surface elsewhere? "


She will show up at the "Truth and Reconciliation Commission" I've heard some leftist talking about. Which would be about lies and revenge for supporting Trump.

Posted by: Ripley at May 18, 2022 11:45 AM (MxEKc)

221 196 Guys, the point is we gave them a negative frame:

"According to the Washington Post, the 33-year-old Jankowicz 'was thrust into the spotlight by the very forces she dedicated her career to combating,' and has been 'subject to an unrelenting barrage of harassment and abuse.'"

Of course they'll be back.

Until we are gathered singing hymns around our fires and drinking our mead from their vanquished skulls they will always be back.

Posted by: CZ = FNG, Free Republic of Florida at May 18, 2022 11:46 AM (MkuC5)

222 137 Actor of the Day

Jonathan Pryce was in Pirates of the Caribbean with Orlando Bloom, who was in Lord of the Rings with Christopher Lee.

Jonathan Pryce was in Pirates of the Caribbean with Johnny Depp, who was in Black Mass with Kevin Bacon.

Annoying actor, IMHO. I would not have cast him in Brazil or The World Is Not Enough.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 18, 2022 11:29 AM (44ww/)

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I liked him as Mr. Dark in Something Wicked This Way Comes.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at May 18, 2022 11:46 AM (CAJOC)

223 Sorry; The NY Post did it better. I mangled the actual headline which was "Headless Body in Topless Bar"-no "found". Another good one was when Governor Spitzer had been hiring a prostitute and the headline was "Ho No". Of course they went crazy with Anthony Weiner jokes, hopefully ensuring he is never in politics again.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 18, 2022 11:46 AM (Ut+C0)

224 >>>Yep. Even for big box stores like Walmart, the profit margins on their supermarket section are probably pretty slim, comparable to a generic supermarket (around 1%).

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I call B.S. Everyone knows that Elizabeth Warren has blamed "Big Grocery" for price increases. If EW says they're a bunch of chiseling gougers that's enough for me.

Posted by: 496 at May 18, 2022 11:47 AM (VJsqe)

225 Yeah, I know quite a few of them. They aren't all like that, but there are definitely too many. Sounds like a task for DeSantis / Trump to clean out the Augean Stables.

Something that's not always understood: the general direction of what's to be funded is decided by the administration, not the program directors. I well recall having to craft my pitches for basic research to encompass green energy - for warships and warplanes.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 11:47 AM (ZsR3z)

226 The best weapons advancement is one that works only for a short while before it can be easily defeated requiring uncle sugar to give you some more money, wash repeat.
Posted by: banana Dream at May 18, 2022 11:43 AM (qsj+f)
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Ah, the Lensman Arms Race strategy!

When do we start hurling antimatter planets across the cosmos at our enemies?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 18, 2022 11:47 AM (YIVH2)

227 219 Penn State was accused of hiding a research program on "fetus" parts. I don't remember details but the story seemed to have disappeared. It wouldn't surprise me if the octogenarians currently operating the levers of power are behind the funding of this program, for the purposes of living another few decades off the research results. Yeah, yeah tin-foil hattery, but there have been a lot of things happening starting with covid that have happened that now this seems plausible. Oh yeah, and f*** that pipsqueak mengele wannabe Fauci in particular.

Posted by: Chuck Martel
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The reports of using fetus hair cells to transplant those into rats involved Univ. of Pittsburg. Not sure about any involving Penn State that have been publicized.

Posted by: whig at May 18, 2022 11:47 AM (Iq9dF)

228 Steven Pressfield's book, The Profession gives a pretty prescient look at future warfare. Wars fought by mercenaries hired by countries supported by corporations.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 18, 2022 11:47 AM (oc1LF)

229 I've been following whatever news I can find on the use of drones in war, or drug smuggling.
The Ukraine is using them to great advantage.
They must have been developed in secrecy.
The Mexican cartels are using them to recon the Border Patrol and vice versa.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 18, 2022 11:47 AM (jTmQV)

230 Ah, the Lensman Arms Race strategy!

When do we start hurling antimatter planets across the cosmos at our enemies?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 18, 2022 11:47 AM (YIVH2)
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Man the Q Helix beams!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 18, 2022 11:48 AM (5pTK/)

231 Greetings:

Sometimes (these times), the arc of history is a sine curve.

Posted by: 11B40 at May 18, 2022 11:48 AM (uuklp)

232 'subject to an unrelenting barrage of harassment and abuse.'"

Wait. So the author of "How to be a woman online" got spayed?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 18, 2022 11:48 AM (Ut+C0)

233 I liked him as Mr. Dark in Something Wicked This Way Comes.

Posted by: No One of Consequence
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That is a seriously underrated movie and a pretty good adaptation of Ray Bradbury's story.

Posted by: whig at May 18, 2022 11:48 AM (Iq9dF)

234 on the subject of masks...

Study finds "moderate positive correlation" between mask use and coof death:

https://tinyurl.com/2rw2u3z8

*goes to National Pulse*

Posted by: kallisto at May 18, 2022 11:48 AM (DJFLF)

235 Ike always said “I studied dramatics under him {MacArthur} for five years in Washington and four years in the Philippines.”
Posted by: NaCly Dog

A retired two-star I know once relayed that during a meeting with (newly) subordinate senior commanders, after a bit of rude dismissal from one of his commanders, Ike instructed the officer with a very calm, slow, even voice:

"You will stand at attention when you address me."

Wasn't a spot of trouble after that.

Posted by: Tonypete at May 18, 2022 11:48 AM (Msys3)

236 Of course they'll be back.

Until we are gathered singing hymns around our fires and drinking our mead from their vanquished skulls they will always be back.
Posted by: CZ = FNG, Free Republic of Florida at May 18, 2022 11:46 AM (MkuC5)
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Those terms are acceptable. Do you have a newsletter?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 18, 2022 11:48 AM (YIVH2)

237 232 'subject to an unrelenting barrage of harassment and abuse.'"

Wait. So the author of "How to be a woman online" got spayed?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 18, 2022 11:48 AM (Ut+C0)

Tutored.

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2022 11:48 AM (Vr12I)

238 Early for firm conclusions, but Russia's problems in Ukraine seem to be much more related to quality of command, training, planning, and personnel than any technical factor. Many of the most decisive battles in modern history involved zero surprise or deception or "fog of war" - just a question of enough resources competently applied. In this case, so far, huge shortfalls in both categories evident on the Russian side.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 18, 2022 11:49 AM (OTzUX)

239 ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun and games

I aver that Ike was the last president to control the US Government, and did it very, very well.

Can't have that anymore.

He saw a lot of ruin in our futures. A good book is his At Ease: Stories I Tell to Friends

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 18, 2022 11:50 AM (u82oZ)

240 168 I was working a project in Whiteman AB and I heard a plane taking off. I looked and looked and could not see it for a bit.

We are used to the Batarang plan view of the B2, but edge on it looks like a flying saucer.
Posted by: blaster at May 18, 2022 11:35 AM (x0nsc)
***

Check out Zeva Aero.
They are in flight testing now.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 18, 2022 11:50 AM (anj39)

241 228 Steven Pressfield's book, The Profession gives a pretty prescient look at future warfare. Wars fought by mercenaries hired by countries supported by corporations.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter
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That has been true in Africa for some time. The GWOT amplified it as complimentary to direct military involvement.

Posted by: whig at May 18, 2022 11:50 AM (Iq9dF)

242 There was a time when RC churches stayed open even during days of open warfare and just being seen on the street was an existential threat. But cowardice has overtaken the ranks of the episcopacy.
Posted by: kallisto at May 18, 2022 11:21 AM (DJFLF)


Turning away the flock during the Covid scam was Exhibit A of the current status.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 18, 2022 11:50 AM (y7DUB)

243 I've been following whatever news I can find on the use of drones in war, or drug smuggling.
The Ukraine is using them to great advantage.
They must have been developed in secrecy.


From what I've read, it's just the opposite. It's hobbyists and programmers making stuff up on the fly. The Russians can't compete.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 11:50 AM (ZsR3z)

244 "Perfessor" Squirrel

We need those 2nd stage Lensmen in control.

And at least a Sun Grid.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 18, 2022 11:51 AM (u82oZ)

245 Mannix!

*Jazzy music plays*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 18, 2022 11:51 AM (V6f9+)

246 106
Bishops were excommunicated for closing churches during the Black Plague.

Times have clearly changed.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 18, 2022 11:24 AM (yQpMk)

And they are unrepentant even to this day about isolating us away from Mass. And there are priests (my parish included) that are hanging on to the masks. The Sign of Peace is gone. No longer have the Precious Blood. Eucharistic Ministers must be masked. and on and on.

And to see a parishioner go up for Communion with 3-4 masks on.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 18, 2022 11:51 AM (N39Ws)

247 Jankowicz was an obvious trial balloon, a nose under the tent. Had the idea stuck (and when it's revived), she'd have been gone in short order. Nobody could expect that little birdbrain to do the work - she exists to be dismissed as inconsequential.

The actual boss of this thing will be a recently retired, powerfully Party-connected media executive.

Posted by: Ministry of Truth at May 18, 2022 11:51 AM (cglC2)

248 I liked him as Mr. Dark in Something Wicked This Way Comes.

Posted by: No One of Consequence
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That is a seriously underrated movie and a pretty good adaptation of Ray Bradbury's story.
Posted by: whig at May 18, 2022 11:48 AM (Iq9dF)
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One of my all time favorite movies. It always creeps me out. Also, Bradbury wrote the screenplay, so I should hope it's a faithful adaptation! Most of the changes were pragmatic, but the spirit is basically the same as the original book.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 18, 2022 11:51 AM (YIVH2)

249 Thanks whig for the correction - Univ of Pittsburgh is the fetal tissue research program not Penn State, apologies to Penn State. They are the ones protecting the little gnome climate change fraudster Michael Mann.

Note, this doesn't change my opinion of Fauci.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 18, 2022 11:51 AM (fs1hN)

250 Now finish the quote...

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system-ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 18, 2022 11:51 AM (oHd/0)

251 Sometimes I casually wonder about what is really happening in Ukraine, but knowing the messaging is all from one side, I think about the Southern Border instead. That information is harder to massage.

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2022 11:52 AM (Vr12I)

252 There is a billion dollar industry waiting for the first effective counter-UAS capability.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 18, 2022 11:45 AM (anj39)

Wire-guided defense "drones" powered by small gas-turbine engines, that trail a fiber-optic link to their ground-based operator, so they are immune to EM countermeasures. Equip them with auto-fire shotguns, to hose lead pellets at enemy drones.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 18, 2022 11:52 AM (U8/nK)

253
Oh Happy Day

Much to his dad's dismay, Richie defies Cunningham Republican tradition and campaigns for the Democrats during the 1956 Eisenhower-Stevenson presidential race.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0596341

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 18, 2022 11:52 AM (63Dwl)

254 "Perfessor" Squirrel

We need those 2nd stage Lensmen in control.

And at least a Sun Grid.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 18, 2022 11:51 AM (u82oZ)
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I vote Karen Gillan as "The Red Lensman!"

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 18, 2022 11:52 AM (5pTK/)

255 216 I shop a lot at the regional Braums restaurant/grocery. Very small grocery but because of that everything is fresh. They have lately held some really good sales on bread and milk, top shelf stuff, and it's no doubt to draw people into the restaurant side.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 18, 2022 11:52 AM (lz5hY)

256 It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system-ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.

Ike was a brilliant man.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 11:52 AM (ZsR3z)

257 Now, Demofascists are spreading their immigration attacks to mainstream Republicans. Politico calls Elise Stefanik racist, which is of course their dogwhistle because she has an ad out touting her support for the wall.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 11:52 AM (CqgvU)

258 I'm also a Jonathan Pryce fan

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 18, 2022 11:53 AM (V6f9+)

259 Archimedes

A false religion is warping basic research.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 18, 2022 11:53 AM (u82oZ)

260 255 216 I shop a lot at the regional Braums restaurant/grocery. Very small grocery but because of that everything is fresh. They have lately held some really good sales on bread and milk, top shelf stuff, and it's no doubt to draw people into the restaurant side.

Posted by: bill in arkansas
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I miss Braums--used to live in NW Arkansas years ago.

Posted by: whig at May 18, 2022 11:53 AM (Iq9dF)

261 >>>Any news out of Sri Lanka since they supposedly ran out of fuel?

Lord Humungus is still assembling his cabinet.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at May 18, 2022 11:54 AM (HmZuC)

262 Wire-guided defense "drones" powered by small gas-turbine engines, that trail a fiber-optic link to their ground-based operator, so they are immune to EM countermeasures. Equip them with auto-fire shotguns, to hose lead pellets at enemy drones.

EMF-shielded autonomous drones, as in "no human in the loop". I see no way that can go wrong. Someone should make a movie about it, or 10.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 11:54 AM (ZsR3z)

263 I vote Karen Gillan as "The Red Lensman!"
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 18, 2022 11:52 AM (5pTK/)
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Seconded!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 18, 2022 11:54 AM (YIVH2)

264 **looks at calendar**

Hmmm. Mt St Helens was 42 years ago.
Damn. I really am over 29.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 18, 2022 11:54 AM (anj39)

265 Eric Clapton is being dissed by The Usual Suspects because he caught the coof after being a jab "denier".

The *real* story is that he got the jab and posted his bad lingering side effects, this got him in trouble with Karen Nation. So they should be taunting him for getting the coof in spite of being a jabbee, but no. They lie.

https://tinyurl.com/2euerm7d

Posted by: kallisto, realizing it's another day ending in "y" at May 18, 2022 11:54 AM (DJFLF)

266 245 Mannix!

*Jazzy music plays*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 18, 2022 11:51 AM (V6f9+)

=======

I'm pretty sure he's a cop.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 11:54 AM (LvTSG)

267

31,910.14 -744.45 (-2.28%)
As of 11:48AM EDT. Market open.

Posted by: DJIA Deathwatch at May 18, 2022 11:54 AM (hcVk1)

268 A false religion is warping basic research.

Posted by: NaCly Dog


Agreed.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 11:54 AM (ZsR3z)

269 The government/research/science politicalization started with the War on Tobacco.

That's when the left realized how easy it was to bend the population's minds. How soft, malleable, and full of fear this country had become.

Posted by: The Chicken at May 18, 2022 11:55 AM (Qhnrt)

270 263 I vote Karen Gillan as "The Red Lensman!"
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 18, 2022 11:52 AM (5pTK/)
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Seconded!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 18, 2022 11:54 AM (YIVH2)

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She apparently got married over the weekend.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 11:55 AM (LvTSG)

271 The government/research/science politicalization started with the War on Tobacco.

That's when the left realized how easy it was to bend the population's minds. How soft, malleable, and full of fear this country had become.


Then the problem is the government, not scientific research funding.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 11:55 AM (ZsR3z)

272 Ike was a brilliant man.

Posted by: Archimedes
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Like most people, he had his faults. He was a better statesman than general and ditto for foreign affairs. He was smart enough though to stay out of Vietnam.

Posted by: whig at May 18, 2022 11:55 AM (Iq9dF)

273 Now finish the quote...

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system-ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 18, 2022 11:51 AM (oHd/0)
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Yes, the entire address is worth reading. I kept excerpts brief to keep the overall word count down. Apologies for not calling that our more clearly and yes, the rest of the quote is meaningful.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 18, 2022 11:56 AM (DU+/6)

274 I'm pretty sure he's a cop.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 11:54 AM (LvTSG)

pee-eye?

Posted by: BignJames at May 18, 2022 11:56 AM (AwYPR)

275 The government/research/science politicalization started with the War on Tobacco.

You mean when the EPA completely changed its methodology to officially determine that second-hand smoke was bad?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 18, 2022 11:56 AM (I2/tG)

276 concern about borders (recently established, clearly not congruent with history or populace in some cases).

U-Haul could've fixed it.

Posted by: DaveA at May 18, 2022 11:56 AM (FhXTo)

277 Wire-guided defense "drones" powered by small gas-turbine engines, that trail a fiber-optic link to their ground-based operator, so they are immune to EM countermeasures. Equip them with auto-fire shotguns, to hose lead pellets at enemy drones.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 18, 2022 11:52 AM (U8/nK)


I like it.
Pretty sure it won't be a one size fits all solution. Multi-layer approach for everything from treetop to 60,000 feet.
It is a difficult problem.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 18, 2022 11:56 AM (anj39)

278 Tonypete

Good story. So there is some military discipline in the upper ranks, after all. Would be funnier if the junior commanded (prob. a Capitan) was right.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 18, 2022 11:56 AM (u82oZ)

279 Check out Zeva Aero.
They are in flight testing now.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 18, 2022 11:50 AM (anj39)

A necessary precursor to crash testing.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 18, 2022 11:57 AM (U8/nK)

280 Excellent post, excellent comments. Horde at its best.

Posted by: JROD at May 18, 2022 11:57 AM (W6qhI)

281 Here is a long, but very interesting article on how drones are altering warfare in the same way the Maxim gun did.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 11:36 AM (ZsR3z)


I know the U.S. is developing drone "mother ships" that can launch and retrieve swarms of combat drones.

Posted by: Archer at May 18, 2022 11:57 AM (gmo/4)

282 Diogenes

Oh, there are plenty of solutions. But a tad messy.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 18, 2022 11:57 AM (u82oZ)

283 Fowl sock off.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 18, 2022 11:58 AM (Qhnrt)

284 Plenty of anti-UAV technologies in play. Measure/countermeasure is pretty well into several cycles on this front.

Azerbaijan used Turkish drones to do much better than they ever had (i.e., not complete shabby Third World-ish disorganization and defeat) against Armenia in 2020, in Nagorno-Karabakh. Armenians were caught sort of flat-footed. But again, the key was overall resources and competence, and Azerbaijan had a lot more going for it than just drones.

And when Ukraine started using these same Turkish drones in attacks on Donetsk and Lugansk (this is long before Feb. 24, 2022), it almost certainly rattled Moscow as another sign of its declining influence in historical areas of dominance.

"Pan-turanianism" - a Turkic- or Islamo-centric resurgence through certain southern areas of the historic Russian Empire (and before that part of the caliphate) is not seen as a huge concrete threat, but the old fashioned loss of geopolitical mojo is surely part of Russia's current round of deep insecurity.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 18, 2022 11:58 AM (OTzUX)

285 Diogenes

Oh, there are plenty of solutions. But a tad messy.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 18, 2022 11:57 AM (u82oZ)


True.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 18, 2022 11:58 AM (anj39)

286 You're probably right about hobbyists being in the vanguard about drone development. I saw vid a few years (maybe 10) ago. A guy developed a drone that could carry and remotely fire a 9mm pistol, in FPV.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 18, 2022 11:58 AM (jTmQV)

287 I know the U.S. is developing drone "mother ships" that can launch and retrieve swarms of combat drones.

Posted by: Archer at May 18, 2022 11:57 AM (gmo/4)
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I believe one of the goals is to integrate drones with the F-35.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 18, 2022 11:58 AM (5pTK/)

288 I thought the biggest concentrations of drones are in DC?

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2022 11:58 AM (Vr12I)

289 249 Charles Martel, It is possible that Penn State is working on similarly horrific grants but just not publicized yet.

Materialism deadens the soul and prepares it to do outrageously and evil actions by making every decision seemingly trivial and bureaucratic.

Posted by: whig at May 18, 2022 11:59 AM (Iq9dF)

290 I thought the biggest concentrations of drones are in DC?
Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2022 11:58 AM (Vr12I)


I thought it was the club Bertie Wooster belonged to.

Posted by: spindrift at May 18, 2022 11:59 AM (h5TKJ)

291
You mean when the EPA completely changed its methodology to officially determine that second-hand smoke was bad?
Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 18, 2022 11:56 AM (I2/tG)

All of it. It was ALL just a money and power grab.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 18, 2022 11:59 AM (Qhnrt)

292 Man, DailyKos is going all-in on racist anti-immigration rhetoric, making Republicans sound like Democrats in KKK robes.

Their November strategy is now clear: national divorce.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 12:01 PM (CqgvU)

293 "Pan-turanianism" - a Turkic- or Islamo-centric resurgence through certain southern areas of the historic Russian Empire (and before that part of the caliphate) is not seen as a huge concrete threat, but the old fashioned loss of geopolitical mojo is surely part of Russia's current round of deep insecurity.

Posted by: rhomboid
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They would be better off worrying about China and their back door in Siberia and Central Asia.

Posted by: whig at May 18, 2022 12:01 PM (Iq9dF)

294 >>> EMF-shielded autonomous drones, as in "no human in the loop". I see no way that can go wrong. Someone should make a movie about it, or 10.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 11:54 AM (ZsR3z)


What would you use for fuel? Wait I know, you would just add the necessary systems for finding, harvesting, and processing organic material to turn it into energy!

Posted by: banana Dream at May 18, 2022 12:01 PM (qsj+f)

295 292 Man, DailyKos is going all-in on racist anti-immigration rhetoric, making Republicans sound like Democrats in KKK robes.

Their November strategy is now clear: national divorce.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 12:01 PM (CqgvU)

========

More like: "Please, blacks, vote."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 12:01 PM (LvTSG)

296 They would be better off worrying about China and their back door in Siberia and Central Asia.
Posted by: whig at May 18, 2022 12:01 PM (Iq9dF)

We would be better off if they were worrying about that. But instead they're primarily worrying about us.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 18, 2022 12:01 PM (b2nrj)

297 Mannix!

*Jazzy music plays*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 18, 2022 11:51 AM (V6f9+)

=======

I'm pretty sure he's a cop.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 11:54 AM (LvTSG)

*Checks for messages from Intertect*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 18, 2022 12:01 PM (V6f9+)

298 Their November strategy is now clear: national divorce.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 12:01 PM (CqgvU)
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Okay, here's my solution: All of the cities can become their own individual city-states and the rest of America can get on about its business.

We'll call the cities, "Reservations."

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 18, 2022 12:02 PM (5pTK/)

299 She apparently got married over the weekend.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 11:55 AM (LvTSG)

Well then she is getting pounded silly as we speak, if she married a normal.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at May 18, 2022 12:02 PM (QSjkU)

300 292 Man, DailyKos is going all-in on racist anti-immigration rhetoric, making Republicans sound like Democrats in KKK robes.

Their November strategy is now clear: national divorce.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 12:01 PM (CqgvU)

Our All-Hands meeting started off with our CEO sqawking about 'White Supremacy' and 'Gun Violence'.

I killed the live stream and went back to work.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 18, 2022 12:03 PM (V6f9+)

301 299 She apparently got married over the weekend.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 11:55 AM (LvTSG)

Well then she is getting pounded silly as we speak, if she married a normal.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at May 18, 2022 12:02 PM (QSjkU)

=======

SNL writer, so...who knows?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 12:03 PM (LvTSG)

302 We'll call the cities, "Reservations."

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 18, 2022 12:02 PM (5pTK/)

Districts. We may as well go full dystopia.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at May 18, 2022 12:03 PM (gryET)

303
Then the problem is the government, not scientific research funding.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 11:55 AM (ZsR3z)

Isn't this post about government funded research? Then yes, the funding is also suspect.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 18, 2022 12:03 PM (Qhnrt)

304 And when Ukraine started using these same Turkish drones in attacks on Donetsk and Lugansk (this is long before Feb. 24, 2022), it almost certainly rattled Moscow as another sign of its declining influence in historical areas of dominance.

I read that the Russians don't produce the chips they use in their guided missiles, they buy them from the west, so they can't build anymore missiles now. D'Oh!

Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 12:03 PM (ZsR3z)

305 Man, DailyKos is going all-in on racist anti-immigration rhetoric, making Republicans sound like Democrats in KKK robes.

Their November strategy is now clear: national divorce.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 12:01 PM (CqgvU)

========

More like: "Please, blacks, vote."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 12:01 PM

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Is pro immigration a black priority?

Posted by: Darth Randall at May 18, 2022 12:04 PM (77Ys8)

306 292 Man, DailyKos is going all-in on racist anti-immigration rhetoric, making Republicans sound like Democrats in KKK robes.

Their November strategy is now clear: national divorce.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 12:01 PM (CqgvU)

I have thought for some time the goal of our Left is to push matters until the country fragments, and states go their own ways. This would be a globalist goal, and I am convined our Left is employed by the Great Resetters. A fragmented America is a weak neutered America.

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2022 12:04 PM (Vr12I)

307 264 **looks at calendar**

Hmmm. Mt St Helens was 42 years ago.
Damn. I really am over 29.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 18, 2022 11:54 AM (anj39)

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And the Mueller investigation began 5 years ago today IIRC.

Damn ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun and games at May 18, 2022 12:04 PM (pozOM)

308 whig, Ike was one of the best personnel choices in modern history. He was picked for exactly the thing at which he in the event excelled - his "political" and diplomatic acumen in managing the most important coalition in history. Which he did without a stumble, in the process gaining the respect of all parties involved (well, one has to leave DeGaulle out of this, which is no knock per se on DeGaulle and his own strategy and interests).

Posted by: rhomboid at May 18, 2022 12:04 PM (OTzUX)

309 Too fkin bad about the Former Minister of Truth jobless, but she will be back on the government payroll in a week

Posted by: Skip's phone at May 18, 2022 12:04 PM (iuV4p)

310 305 More like: "Please, blacks, vote."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 12:01 PM
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Is pro immigration a black priority?
Posted by: Darth Randall at May 18, 2022 12:04 PM (77Ys

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"Republicans hate all the coloreds," seem to be the message.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 12:05 PM (LvTSG)

311 Well, time to wander. It's now late enough for me to run power tools without worry about the neighbors.

Later!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 18, 2022 12:05 PM (5pTK/)

312 Well then she is getting pounded silly as we speak, if she married a normal.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at May 18, 2022 12:02 PM (QSjkU)

=======

SNL writer, so...who knows?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 12:03 PM


Silly, yes. Funny, no.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 18, 2022 12:05 PM (h6/n7)

313 There are no 'normal' SNL writers.

Gillian is going to be disappointed.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 18, 2022 12:05 PM (V6f9+)

314 You're probably right about hobbyists being in the vanguard about drone development. I saw vid a few years (maybe 10) ago. A guy developed a drone that could carry and remotely fire a 9mm pistol, in FPV.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 18, 2022 11:58 AM (jTmQV)

IIRC, he got quicker FBI response than a garage door pull at a NASCAR track.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at May 18, 2022 12:05 PM (SH2Zi)

315 Isn't this post about government funded research? Then yes, the funding is also suspect.

Government funding goes largely to universities (basic) and private defense contractors (applied).

Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 12:05 PM (ZsR3z)

316
Is pro immigration a black priority?
Posted by: Darth Randall at May 18, 2022 12:04 PM (77Ys

I would think the opposite...

Posted by: It's me donna at May 18, 2022 12:06 PM (bs+z0)

317 And the Mueller investigation began 5 years ago today IIRC.

Damn ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun and games at May 18, 2022 12:04 PM (pozOM)

Was Durham an offshoot of that?...can't remember.

Posted by: BignJames at May 18, 2022 12:06 PM (AwYPR)

318 Charles DeGaulle might have been the most arrogant man in Europe and that includes Hitler and Stalin.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 18, 2022 12:06 PM (V6f9+)

319 302 We'll call the cities, "Reservations."

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 18, 2022 12:02 PM (5pTK/)

Districts. We may as well go full dystopia.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at May 18, 2022 12:03 PM (gryET)

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District 9 From Outer Space.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun and games at May 18, 2022 12:06 PM (pozOM)

320 Hmmm. Mt St Helens was 42 years ago.
Damn. I really am over 29.

Posted by: Diogenes

Dang, I was in B'ham when that happened.

Posted by: Infidel at May 18, 2022 12:07 PM (E0NVW)

321 I read that the Russians don't produce the chips they use in their guided missiles, they buy them from the west, so they can't build anymore missiles now. D'Oh!
Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 12:03 PM (ZsR3z)

Oh, you mean like we buy ours from China?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 18, 2022 12:07 PM (oHd/0)

322 Of course the government filling the trough with slop is going to attract pigs. That the fattest pigs will get most of the slop is a foregone conclusion.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 18, 2022 12:07 PM (MFphb)

323 318 Charles DeGaulle might have been the most arrogant man in Europe and that includes Hitler and Stalin.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 18, 2022 12:06 PM (V6f9+)

Well he's French, so...

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 18, 2022 12:07 PM (b2nrj)

324 The second autofill option at Youtube after you type in "Critical Drinker" is "Critical Drinker debunked," a single video about how male reactionary fans on Youtube are bad.

It has 230K views, about what Critical Drinker gets in the first six hours of any of his videos.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 12:07 PM (LvTSG)

325 There are no 'normal' SNL writers.

Gillian is going to be disappointed.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 18, 2022 12:05 PM (V6f9+)
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She shoulda stuck with the Last Centurion...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 18, 2022 12:07 PM (YIVH2)

326 325 There are no 'normal' SNL writers.

Gillian is going to be disappointed.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 18, 2022 12:05 PM (V6f9+)
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She shoulda stuck with the Last Centurion...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 18, 2022 12:07 PM (YIVH2)

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I think she and Matt Smith were dating for a while back in the Who days.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 12:08 PM (LvTSG)

327 DailyKos is going all-in on racist anti-immigration rhetoric, making Republicans sound like Democrats in KKK robes.

Their November strategy is now clear: national divorce.

Posted by: Huck Follywood



I think they see a cleaner option - outlaw the republican party. Makes elections much faster when only one party runs.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 18, 2022 12:08 PM (5kI0z)

328 You're probably right about hobbyists being in the vanguard about drone development.

I saw video recently from a modified drone that was flown inside of a weak tornado. That's better than the big-money boys are doing.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 18, 2022 12:08 PM (ZGrMX)

329 Posted by: MONSTER UNIVERSE MITT ROMNEY NOW WITH MORE RAYS OF SUNSHINE at May 18, 2022 12:08 PM

Not clicking that link. Uh-uh...not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 18, 2022 12:08 PM (h6/n7)

330 I think Moscow has its concerns about the east, and China, but the more pressing issues, and ones about which they might at least be able to take action, are in their west, as in Ukraine, and NATO. And the ethnic component in D & L and Crimea are very real and very broadly politically important (no shocker) to Russians in general.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 18, 2022 12:09 PM (OTzUX)

331 I read that the Russians don't produce the chips they use in their guided missiles, they buy them from the west, so they can't build anymore missiles now. D'Oh!

Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 12:03 PM (ZsR3z)

There was a recent story about evidence of Russia using COTS GPS taped to the consoles of one their Flanker (IIRC) aircraft.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at May 18, 2022 12:09 PM (SH2Zi)

332 328 You're probably right about hobbyists being in the vanguard about drone development.

I saw video recently from a modified drone that was flown inside of a weak tornado. That's better than the big-money boys are doing.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 18, 2022 12:08 PM (ZGrMX)

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Needs more cut up Pepsi cans.

Needs to be Pepsi.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 12:09 PM (LvTSG)

333 Current numbers have Oz leading Mccormick by 2 tenths of a percent, or about 2500 votes.

Posted by: kallisto at May 18, 2022 12:09 PM (DJFLF)

334 Was Durham an offshoot of that?...can't remember.

Posted by: BignJames at May 18, 2022 12:06 PM (AwYPR)

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I think Barr appointrd him later, but at minimum indirectly an offshoot if not directly. JackStraw or TJM will likely correct me ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun and games at May 18, 2022 12:09 PM (pozOM)

335 Since we have a huge force in the South China Sea, I suppose it is no surprise the Navy is now publicizing it's ability to knock our cruise missiles with existing Arleigh Burke laser weapons

https://tinyurl.com/4r4n26kc

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 12:09 PM (Rhve6)

336 The Kratos XQ-58 "Valkyrie" drone is supposed to augment the F-35. Perhaps other aircraft as well. It's basically a stealth aircraft with no pilot. I think there have already been some operational tests done with it, but it's still really in development/testing. I think one of the roles is aerial refueling.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 18, 2022 12:09 PM (BFigT)

337 Oh, you mean like we buy ours from China?

From: Alibaba’s silicon chip in the age of hypersonic missiles

The crux of the issue is that although the design of the Yitian 710 is purely Chinese, the bulk of the underlying IP used to build the chip comes mostly from the U.S. and the United Kingdom, along with a smattering of other key technologies from European and Asian companies. While the performance benchmarks and design of the Yitian show that Alibaba chip designers are already world class, there is no chance such a chip could be manufactured in China, and almost all the core elements of the chip do not originate in China.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 12:10 PM (ZsR3z)

338 >>> SNL writer, so...who knows?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 12:03 PM (LvTSG)


Cradle robber, she's a whole year younger than him.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 18, 2022 12:10 PM (qsj+f)

339 Drones ZZZZZZ... oh, you mean those flying things

Posted by: It's me donna at May 18, 2022 12:10 PM (bs+z0)

340 Whazzat MUMR? You say sumpthin'?

Posted by: Xipe Totec at May 18, 2022 12:10 PM (QSjkU)

341 334 I think Barr appointrd him later, but at minimum indirectly an offshoot if not directly. JackStraw or TJM will likely correct me ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun and games at May 18, 2022 12:09 PM (pozOM)

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I'm not an expert, but Barr did assign the investigation to Durham as a regular investigator in the DOJ. One of Barr's last acts as Attorney General was to make Durham a special investigator (council? I'm not even clear on the terminology), which made him on par with what Mueller had been.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 12:11 PM (LvTSG)

342 The Coming Ice Age, Acid Rain, Killer Bees, Salt, Global Warming, Climate Change, China Flu...

Same con game, different names.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 18, 2022 12:11 PM (VghRo)

343 @337

Whoops, forgot the link.
https://tinyurl.com/2p9ysjeh

To be clear, supply chains are a huge worry for our military, but we are in no way as dependent as Russia is.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 12:11 PM (ZsR3z)

344
Government funding goes largely to universities (basic) and private defense contractors (applied).
Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 12:05 PM (ZsR3z)

All that money, basic or otherwise, ends up in the pockets of those that adhere to the government's wishes.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 18, 2022 12:11 PM (Qhnrt)

345 DailyKos is going all-in on racist anti-immigration rhetoric, making Republicans sound like Democrats in KKK robes.

Their adherence to racialism is pretty interesting given sizable numbers of all races agree that Biden sucks.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 18, 2022 12:11 PM (ZGrMX)

346 338 >>> SNL writer, so...who knows?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 12:03 PM (LvTSG)


Cradle robber, she's a whole year younger than him.
Posted by: banana Dream at May 18, 2022 12:10 PM (qsj+f)

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She married someone non-famous who is almost her age. Sounds like she might have made a decent choice. Who knows.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for wonder in the modern world with Tati at May 18, 2022 12:11 PM (LvTSG)

347 Keeping with the drone topic; there's a drum magazine for dropping bombs from commercial drones.

https://tinyurl.com/59wm65tk

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 18, 2022 12:11 PM (BFigT)

348
"Republicans hate all the coloreds," seem to be the message.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison


They gonna put y'all BACK in chains!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 18, 2022 12:12 PM (63Dwl)

349 Our All-Hands meeting started off with our CEO sqawking about 'White Supremacy' and 'Gun Violence'.

Incredible. We've been infiltrated and compromised to the very core of virtually every institution

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 18, 2022 12:12 PM (Xrfse)

350 The USN is currently in the middle testing stages of large USV -- Unmanned Surface Vessels. They've deployed 4 to this year's RIMPAC.

Posted by: Archer at May 18, 2022 12:14 PM (gmo/4)

351 The Coming Ice Age, Acid Rain, Killer Bees, Salt, Global Warming, Climate Change, China Flu...

Same con game, different names.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy

Martian invasion.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at May 18, 2022 12:14 PM (FVME7)

352 >>> Was Durham an offshoot of that?...can't remember.

Posted by: BignJames at May 18, 2022 12:06 PM (AwYPR)

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I think Barr appointrd him later, but at minimum indirectly an offshoot if not directly. JackStraw or TJM will likely correct me ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun and games at May 18, 2022 12:09 PM (pozOM)


Durham is Mork to Barr's Happy Days.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 18, 2022 12:14 PM (qsj+f)

353 >>> The Coming Ice Age, Acid Rain, Killer Bees, Salt, Global Warming, Climate Change, China Flu...

Same con game, different names.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy

Martian invasion.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at May 18, 2022 12:14 PM (FVME7)


NOT THE BEES!

Posted by: wicker man at May 18, 2022 12:15 PM (qsj+f)

354 The racist and hate-filled delusional demagoguery has now reached what I think is technically a zenith, at least in modern times, with the drooling cretin's Buffalo event and the Gleichschaltung ops some are citing here. Oh, and Liz Cheney's astonishing idiotic slanders.

Is it me? Or has the "GOP" thus far just sat there, in silence, while they and most of America are slandered with truly vile and completely unfounded lies?

Imagine most normal people's reaction is to (further) tune out the sewage. But the corrosion of the civic culture from this has already been horrific, going on a few decades now.

Is there a single elected official of any note (or even obscure), GOP or otherwise, saying *anything* in response to this?? Or is the "country" as pathetic and utterly without any adult leadership as it appears?

Posted by: rhomboid at May 18, 2022 12:15 PM (OTzUX)

355 Their adherence to racialism is pretty interesting given sizable numbers of all races agree that Biden sucks.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 18, 2022 12:11 PM (ZGrMX)
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Trying to get some passionate street protestors, unpaid this time, is their goal I think. That's why they go so extreme on abortion messaging, even though two thirds of voters support strong limits and even bans after 15-20 weeks. Anything to get the really angry types into the streets.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 12:15 PM (Rhve6)

356 JJ's typically awesome Morning Report had a link that mentioned Abbott, Gerber, Mead Johnson, and Perrigo.

My household worked at two of those, have family that worked at a third, and I interviewed at a fourth.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 18, 2022 12:15 PM (RFEPQ)

357 Small, hand launched drones pose a problem. I had an idea, which like most of mine is pretty dumb. The US military has been issuing a lot more shotguns than in the past. Provide a 30" or 32" barrel , full choke, to the troops carrying them. Also, some really heavy duty goose loads. Might be able, with a little training, to knock some down before they breach the perimeter.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 18, 2022 12:15 PM (lz5hY)

358 308 rhomboid,
There really is not a counterfactual to Ike running the show. However, Ike's brilliant political strategy of steering between the rocks of Britain and the US in WWII laid the framework for a more unfavorable Cold War division of Europe, needless casualties in the European theater by refusing to concentrate the lines of attack, and failure to close the Falaise gap. Battle of the Bulge also revealed the overreliance on Enigma intercepts by Shaef versus actual observation.

As President, he failed at developing US superiority in missiles that we had by getting the best of German scientists, betrayed UK, France, and Israel in the Suez crisis, and allowed Dulles to spur Hungary to rebellion. He was a good president but not one that I would call great other than avoiding WWIII. His 1952, I will go to Korea statement avoiding making any policy claims was pure politics for example.

Posted by: whig at May 18, 2022 12:15 PM (Iq9dF)

359 Recent vid I watched involved a drone dropping a single frag grenade right in to the moon roof of a Honda sedan that had a couple of Russian soldiers in it.
It dropped from about a thousand feet, pretty as you please, and detonated.
FPV all the way.
Another thing, Russians have been reduced to taking civilian autos for transport.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 18, 2022 12:16 PM (jTmQV)

360 Keeping with the drone topic; there's a drum magazine for dropping bombs from commercial drones.

https://tinyurl.com/59wm65tk
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 18, 2022 12:11 PM (BFigT)
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thanks for the link....want.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 12:17 PM (Rhve6)

361 >>> Small, hand launched drones pose a problem. I had an idea, which like most of mine is pretty dumb. The US military has been issuing a lot more shotguns than in the past. Provide a 30" or 32" barrel , full choke, to the troops carrying them. Also, some really heavy duty goose loads. Might be able, with a little training, to knock some down before they breach the perimeter.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 18, 2022 12:15 PM (lz5hY)


Pull!

Posted by: banana Dream at May 18, 2022 12:17 PM (qsj+f)

362 While the performance benchmarks and design of the Yitian show that Alibaba chip designers are already world class, there is no chance such a chip could be manufactured in China, and almost all the core elements of the chip do not originate in China.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 18, 2022 12:10 PM (ZsR3z)

For now. Once all western-sourced, now China controls 8/10 of the top polysilicon manufacturers in the world. These are the basic raw materials (the silicon wafers) for all chips.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at May 18, 2022 12:17 PM (SH2Zi)

363 Noo post

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 18, 2022 12:17 PM (zjgNU)

364 He [Ike] saw a lot of ruin in our futures. A good book is his At Ease: Stories I Tell to Friends

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 18, 2022 11:50 AM (u82oZ)

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Thanks for the recommendation; will add to my reading list.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun and games at May 18, 2022 12:17 PM (pozOM)

365 Eric Clapton is being dissed by The Usual Suspects because he caught the coof after being a jab "denier".

So far he's been right about everything.

Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at May 18, 2022 12:17 PM (y7DUB)

366 Amber Heard is looking pretty hawt in her trial today.

Too bad the bint is batshit crazy.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at May 18, 2022 12:17 PM (RFEPQ)

367 nude

Posted by: DB at May 18, 2022 12:17 PM (geLO8)

368 And yet, Russia persists.Interesting.

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2022 12:17 PM (Vr12I)

369 Durham is a special counsel which technically makes him removable under DOJ guidelines by the AG only and limits the removal to for cause.

Firing him by Biden would cause something similar to what happened in Nixon's case but the Dems would probably brave the storm better than Republicans did in that case.

Posted by: whig at May 18, 2022 12:18 PM (Iq9dF)

370 Is there a single elected official of any note (or even obscure), GOP or otherwise, saying *anything* in response to this?? Or is the "country" as pathetic and utterly without any adult leadership as it appears?

Posted by: rhomboid



No, there is no adult leadership. In addition, the GOP is looking at the many legal challenges that are aimed at ending their existence as a party. The FBI, DOJ, and IRS are assisting with this effort.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 18, 2022 12:19 PM (5kI0z)

371 You'll see very little discussion of UAV's watery cousins, UUVs. Very little. The "silent service" approach remains mostly in effect with unmanned subs and variants. Around here I run into some of the people involved. But I recall from literally decades ago, when the whole thing was starting, how "black" it was.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 18, 2022 12:19 PM (OTzUX)

372 I watched the new "Lincoln Lawyer" series (sorry folks Netflix) and it was very good. Avoiding spoilers about the plot line (seemed true to the Michael Connelly style), the show included a drone.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 12:19 PM (Rhve6)

373 My household worked at two of those, have family that worked at a third, and I interviewed at a fourth.

I grew up in a town very close to Fremont, Michigan. Knew a lot of people who worked at Gerber, back when it was Gerber. My parents met there, although he quickly moved on to Shaw-Walker in Muskegon.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 18, 2022 12:20 PM (U+Oxn)

374 The Coming Ice Age, Acid Rain, Killer Bees, Salt, Global Warming, Climate Change, China Flu...

Same con game, different names.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 18, 2022 12:11 PM (VghRo)

***

I would have read your missive but I died of Alar poisoning in '89

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at May 18, 2022 12:20 PM (flINI)

375 Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system-ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 18, 2022 11:51 AM (oHd/0)

This and Joe’s post really elevate Ike as statesman and prophet. Learned something today. Thank you.

Posted by: 7man at May 18, 2022 12:21 PM (qwO6y)

376 ou'll see very little discussion of UAV's watery cousins, UUVs. Very little. The "silent service" approach remains mostly in effect with unmanned subs and variants. Around here I run into some of the people involved. But I recall from literally decades ago, when the whole thing was starting, how "black" it was.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 18, 2022 12:19 PM (OTzUX)
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I know several young guys (ex-Seals with Harvard MBA's, so pretty fucking impressive) who have a San Diego company developing autonomous underwater drones for the navy to deploy from subs and achieve force magnification.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 12:21 PM (Rhve6)

377 James Blish predicted something much like our current dark age in his They Shall Have Stars in the 1950s. He postulates that, in its all-out effort to defeat the Soviets, the United States would eventually become much like the Soviet state. In this novel the president is a "stunningly popular man on horseback with no brains worth mentioning," and the post of FBI Director has become hereditary. Beyond that, there has been no *real* invention in quite a while (this takes place in the late 20th or early 21st century). Moderate innovations, yes; new springs for spacecraft seats, for example; but brand new discoveries take government money, and the U.S. can't be bothered.

Despite that, the novel is not a complete dystopia and offers some hope (both a star drive and anti-aging drugs are discovered during the story, for instance). It's a good story in and of itself. But it amazes me how prescient Blish was. He was probably extending the McCarthy era into the future, but still he produced an entertaining, and scary, novel.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 18, 2022 12:22 PM (txdEq)

378 Ace is in da house, nooding

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at May 18, 2022 12:22 PM (Rhve6)

379 Megan Rapinoe's loud mouth is taking it hard.
Posted by: 496 at May 18, 2022 11:44 AM (VJsqe)

12 year old me and train of thought;
Man that is just begging for the horde treatment, but isn't she a rug muncher, but somebody gots to say something but maybe it shouldn't be me all the time.
But that phrase is wearing a very short skirt.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 18, 2022 12:26 PM (MFphb)

380 The US has sent troops to OZ with lots of nice beaches and pretty girls, and to Poland with lots of pretty girls who really know how to cook. How would you like to be with those 700 poor bastards getting sent to Somalia?
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 18, 2022 11:39 AM

Sorry, your billet was to be in Sydney. But instead we are sending you to Somalia.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 18, 2022 12:37 PM (HhM4+)

381 De Gaulle kept France from going full communist.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 18, 2022 12:48 PM (oc1LF)

382 Thanks for posting this.

Read the speech.

It is short.

Posted by: Valiant at May 18, 2022 01:32 PM (cy2xC)

383 178 Serious question - when was the last successful overthrow of a Fascist/Communist tyranny, the Soviet Union excepted?
Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2022 11:36 AM (Vr12I)

Francisco Franco (who is still dead, by the way) vs. "Republican" Spain, ca. 1937-38

Posted by: Fox2! at May 18, 2022 02:56 PM (WhP3q)

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