Sunday Overnight Open Thread (5/1/22)

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The Quotes of The Day

Quote I
“What I always thought was funny as a little kid isn’t necessarily the same as what’s funny now. Things change and the time’s changed. So, it’s important for me to figure it out.” Bill Murray

Quote II
For if Men are to be precluded from offering their Sentiments on a matter, which may involve the most serious and alarming consequences, that can invite the consideration of Mankind, reason is of no use to us; the freedom of Speech may be taken away, and, dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep, to the Slaughter. George Washington

Quote III
"We're starting to see this coordinated drip campaign. When I say a drip campaign, it's where they're going to drop an attack article every one or two days just to try and kill us by death by a thousand cuts, and that is really their main strategy," Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-NC)

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The Comment of The Week

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What a lying twat.

White House press secretary Jen Psaki insisted Friday that what Biden administration’s Homeland Security secretary said last week was a new effort from his agency was in fact a continuation of Trump-era efforts.
Last week, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas revealed the existence of the Disinformation Governance Board with no references to the Trump administration, according to The Washington Post.
“We have just established a mis- and disinformation governance board in the Department of Homeland Security to more effectively combat this threat, not only to election security but to our homeland security,” he said.

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Let's see, children and I mean children are competent to change their sex. But are not wise enough to pick a rewarding degree?

Three Things The Country Needs To Do About Student Loans And College Costs
The discussions about student loan forgiveness are still running hot. Given modern reality, it should be possible to understand why so many who have outstanding student debt think it should be erased. Too much debt in society is wiped away, mostly for the better situated, either through explicit forgiveness, mechanisms to reduce the pain, or convenient forgetfulness.
As an example, Mediaite yesterday ran a piece about a Fox FOXA -1.9% cohost who once ran for the Senate in New York. The headline: “Jeanine Pirro, Whose Campaign Owed $600,000 in Unpaid Bills for More Than a Decade, Demands Student Borrowers Pay Their Bills.”
Brutal but not completely accurate. Going to the Federal Election Commission’s page for her campaign and dropping down to the cash summary, ending cash on hand for her committee was $6,857. Debts or loans (and there was only one loan for $265,000 from the candidate herself) listed as still owed: $854,194. Worse than the story suggested. Perhaps her advice would come across more effectively if she had paid off what she owed.

I don't have all the answers but I would start here:

Private colleges with substantial trusts should have some skin in the game if they accept student loan payments.

Let the Harvard's and Yale's piss and moan.

High schools should be pushing vocational school degrees. There is money to be made learning a trade. I have more need for a LPN or welder than I do a Woman's Study major.

There are plenty of professions which require a Bachelor's or a Master's degree that in my opinion do not require that advanced of a degree.

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Is TFG behind the new draconian free speech suppression? Former Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) thinks so.

Former Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard suggested that former President Barack Obama is behind the effort to establish a Disinformation Governance Board, which she likened to George Orwell's famed "Ministry of Truth."
"Biden is just a front man," Gabbard said on Twitter Sunday. "Obama, April 21: social media censors 'don’t go far enough,' so the government needs to step in to do the job. Six days later, Homeland Security rolls out the 'Ministry of Truth' (aka Disinformation Governance Board)."

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Money talks and Bullshit walks.

The Wikipedia community just successfully pushed back against cryptocurrency.
On Sunday, the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, which owns and operates Wikipedia, announced that it would no longer accept cryptocurrency donations. The decision was made after a three-month discussion period that followed after a request to stop accepting crypto was made from the Wiki community.

Warren Buffett doesn't believe in Bitcoin.

But Fort Worth, Texas does.

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Hey Yuri, what the fvck is wrong with my tractor? ***SNORT***

(CNN)Russian troops in the occupied city of Melitopol have stolen all the equipment from a farm equipment dealership -- and shipped it to Chechnya, according to a Ukrainian businessman in the area.
But after a journey of more than 700 miles, the thieves were unable to use any of the equipment -- because it had been locked remotely.
Over the past few weeks there's been a growing number of reports of Russian troops stealing farm equipment, grain and even building materials - beyond widespread looting of residences. But the removal of valuable agricultural equipment from a John Deere dealership in Melitopol speaks to an increasingly organized operation, one that even uses Russian military transport as part of the heist.
CNN has learned that the equipment was removed from an Agrotek dealership in Melitopol, which has been occupied by Russian forces since early March. Altogether it's valued at nearly $5 million. The combine harvesters alone are worth $300,000 each.

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Hmmm. Who would have thought that BLM would be an organization of corruption?

Indiana Attorney General Todd Rokita has filed a lawsuit against the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation (BLM), seeking the organization’s compliance in a more extensive investigation into its use of funds donated by Hoosiers.
In a release, Rokita’s office announced it “filed a Petition to Enforce a Civil Investigative Demand, which seeks an order requiring BLM to respond to a Civil Investigative Demand issued to the organization in February 2022.”

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RIP Naomi Judd.

Grammy-winning singer Naomi Judd, who died at the age of 76 on Saturday, admitted to undergoing electro-shock therapy and considered suicide in recent years.
Judd, the Kentucky-born singer of the duo The Judds and mother of Wynonna and Ashley Judd, died due 'to the disease of mental illness' according to a statement from her daughters.
She told the Today Show in 2017 that after The Judds stopped touring, she didn't get off the couch for two years, falling into 'extreme' and 'severe' depression.

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They seem like a new couple.

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Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee is probably set for life. I on the other am not. At this point in my life I can't use my real identity on Twitter if I were to be unbanned.

Billionaire Elon Musk has revealed part of his plan for Twitter’s future if his bid to become its new owner is successful as expected.
The revelation came in response to a tweet from former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee who said that all users should verify their name and identity.
“I hope @elonmusk will insist that all Twitter posters use their real names & not be keyboard cowards hiding behind silly little sophomoric screen names. Be man enough or woman enough (if you even know what that is) to stand by what you say! If you can’t own it don’t say it,” the former governor said.

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Let's hear it for EV buses!!!

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Dope dealers sure are creative.

Pot peddlers are hawking their weed near kids as young as 10 — with some buds camouflaged to look like candy or ice cream cones — in and around several Inwood schools.
On Thursday, The Post witnessed three different deals go down just as classes were being let out. One was on Thayer Street, a few blocks from the Amistad Dual Language School; a second unfolded on Academy Street, a short walk from PS 52; and the third was on the corner of Vermilyea Avenue and 204th Street, around the corner from Washington Heights Academy.
“They’re all over – every corner,” Tatiana Mahoney, the director of Family and Community Engagement at Inwood Academy, told The Post.
New York legalized recreational weed consumption last year, but selling marijuana is still prohibited.

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Has there been anyone in the legal crosshairs as President Donald Trump? I think not.

Donald Trump must be the most-investigated real estate tycoon in the history of the United States. The fact that dedicated poetical enemies with vast resources at their disposal have come up with nothing is a testament to his probity. In a field notorious for questionable practices when it comes to seeking permits and dealing with rapacious inspectors of various stripes, Donald Trump evidently has kept his hands clean.

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Gun control to means being able to hit your target.

A Texas mother fatally shot a man who broke into her San Antonio home while her children were inside, Police announced Friday.
The woman, who remains unnamed but is reportedly in her 30s, was at home with her three children Thursday evening when she heard the man break in. The man, who also remains unnamed, entered the house from the rear through the laundry room. The woman grabbed a gun and shot him twice in the chest, according to KSAT News.

Yes, a candidate for Tonight's Feel Good Story of The Day.

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Someone has an anger management issue.

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The ONT Musical Interlude & Spaghetti Emporium

On this day:1 May 1986
American songwriter and producer Hugo Peretti died aged 70. Wrote and produced many classic hits including, 'Can't Help Falling In Love', 'Twistin' The Night Away', 'Shout', 'The Hustle' and 'You Make Me Feel Brand New.'via thisdayinmusic.com

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Would you purchase meat from a rooftop vendor? Genius Award Winner.

A man has been arrested after reportedly trying to sell stolen goods to the public while they were gathered at a crime scene in Grimsby.
The man - seen by witnesses with a large variety of meat - , was spotted trying to sell items on Lincoln Boulevard, off Cromwell Road in Grimsby. At the time, Humberside Police were at the scene of a major investigation where a man was arrested following a 12 hour roof top standoff.
Following the carnage caused by tiles and bricks being thrown down on to the street, police sealed off the area and a cordon was put in place until the situation was brought under control. Today, it remained in place whilst Crime Scene Investigators collected evidence from the scene.

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Never too old to advance. Tonight's Feel Good Story of The Day.

PASS CHRISTIAN, Miss. (WLOX) - At 101 years old, a Pass Christian military veteran has been promoted.
Chief Warrant Officer Thomas Adams Jr. is now Major Adams.
Adams said he served in the Air Force for more than 25 years and retired in 1966. During his career, he served in World War II, Korea and the Vietnam war. Adams explained he was on the verge of a promotion when he left the military, but once retired, he petitioned officials in hopes of finally getting that new, albeit honorary, rank. After many years of waiting, Adams can add another accolade to his resume.
Family and friends filled Adams’ house in celebration while sharing their favorite memories with Adams.

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Weekly commenter stats for week of 5-1-2022

Top 20 commenters:
1 [595 comments] 'Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)' [83.49 posts/day]
2 [594 comments] 'TheJamesMadison, looking great in a trenchcoat and fedora with JP Melville'
3 [476 comments] 'rickb223'
4 [457 comments] 'Christopher R Taylor'
5 [446 comments] 'JT'
6 [427 comments] 'Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden'
7 [402 comments] 'Miklos needs an actual Bosun's Whistle, to be employed with Gusto, you bet'
8 [377 comments] 'Cat Ass Trophy'
9 [341 comments] 'Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker.'
10 [331 comments] 'Skip '

Top 20 sockpuppeteers:
1 [398 names] 'Miklos needs an actual Bosun's Whistle, to be employed with Gusto, you bet' [55.85 unique names/day]
2 [54 names] 'fd'
3 [43 names] 'Count de Monet'
4 [42 names] 'Duncanthrax'
5 [36 names] 'Helena Handbasket'
6 [26 names] 'OrangeEnt'
7 [25 names] 'Moron Analyst'
8 [24 names] '18-1'
9 [24 names] 'Wally'
10 [21 names] 'andycanuck (UHVv4)'

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Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at 09:33 PM

Comments

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1 Hi all

Posted by: Ciampino at May 01, 2022 09:36 PM (qfLjt)

2 Best name for the head of Biden's Government Disinformation Board: Weird Gal Jankowitz..

Posted by: Minuteman at May 01, 2022 09:38 PM (PrFzN)

3 Good evening morons and thanks mh for the early ont

Madison Cauthorn > Kevin McCarthy-Luntz

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 01, 2022 09:39 PM (EZebt)

4 Hi MisHum!

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 01, 2022 09:39 PM (wyw4S)

5 UTC was such a great idea...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~every book has been totally rewritten ~ at May 01, 2022 09:41 PM (hOUT3)

6 "What I always thought was funny as a little kid isn’t necessarily the same as what’s funny now"

Bullshit. Funny is funny. It may be rude, crude, and socially unacceptable, but it's still funny.

Posted by: fd at May 01, 2022 09:42 PM (vrz2I)

7 Read the content. Good stuff!

Posted by: t_bodie - Lurker. Unless you are reading this. at May 01, 2022 09:42 PM (ixbDh)

8 I'm very curious to what Tulsi's game is.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 01, 2022 09:43 PM (VwHCD)

9 WTFO??

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 09:43 PM (yrol0)

10 8 I'm very curious to what Tulsi's game is.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 01, 2022 09:43 PM (VwHCD)

$$$$$

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 09:43 PM (yrol0)

11 Mike Huckabee is a dipshit.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 01, 2022 09:43 PM (r46W7)

12 Hey! I'm #2. My hard work and perseverance paid off. I don't know what the heck is wrong with that Miklos guy.

Posted by: fd at May 01, 2022 09:44 PM (vrz2I)

13 6 "What I always thought was funny as a little kid isn’t necessarily the same as what’s funny now"

Bullshit. Funny is funny. It may be rude, crude, and socially unacceptable, but it's still funny.
Posted by: fd at May 01, 2022 09:42 PM (vrz2I)

When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I set aside childish ways. Now we see but a dim reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 09:44 PM (yrol0)

14 11 Mike Huckabee is a dipshit.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 01, 2022 09:43 PM (r46W7)

duh!

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 09:45 PM (yrol0)

15 4 Hi MisHum!
Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 01, 2022 09:39 PM (wyw4S)

Good evening young lady.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 01, 2022 09:46 PM (aA3+G)

16 Good evening everyone.

Posted by: Tonypete at May 01, 2022 09:47 PM (Msys3)

17 *hic*

Posted by: Hillary! 2016, Who Will Never Be President of the United States at May 01, 2022 09:48 PM (XG2Fi)

18 Best name for the head of Biden's Government Disinformation Board: Weird Gal Jankowitz..
Posted by: Minuteman at May 01, 2022 09:38 PM (PrFzN)

+1

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 01, 2022 09:48 PM (4I/2K)

19 Madison Cawthorn is a fool and a faggot

A faggotty fool he is.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 01, 2022 09:48 PM (8E/wP)

20 PadraigBelton
Hi from America. Where Walmart doesnt have a plug adapter for my UK laptop. But on the other hand, I can buy a rifle and ammunition.

DUDE ITS A BB GUN

GO BACK HOME

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 09:48 PM (yrol0)

21 Messin' with us by posting early again, eh?

(He got up on the Misanthropic side of the bed this morning.)

Well, at least the content won't get stale. Yet.

Posted by: mindful webworker - New Week, New Month, New ONT Whoopee at May 01, 2022 09:49 PM (29oIe)

22 19 Madison Cawthorn is a fool and a faggot

A faggotty fool he is.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 01, 2022 09:48 PM (8E/wP)

Judges would have accepted asshole.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 09:49 PM (yrol0)

23 10 8 I'm very curious to what Tulsi's game is.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 01, 2022 09:43 PM (VwHCD)

$$$$$
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 09:43 PM (yrol0)

$$$ is probably part of it. But she has consistently been a middle of the road Democrat. Democrats weren't always card carrying Commies.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 01, 2022 09:49 PM (aA3+G)

24 Last I saw Mike Huckabee he was hawking some kind of memory or sleeping pill or some crap like that. Mediocre Man.

Posted by: fd at May 01, 2022 09:49 PM (vrz2I)

25 Query: Does the Comment of the Week Statuette come in the mail or do I have to attend an awards show to get it?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 01, 2022 09:49 PM (XG2Fi)

26 Look at Helena Handbasket, representing the 'ettes on the Top Ten Sock Puppeteer list! Go Helena!

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 01, 2022 09:50 PM (wyw4S)

27 25 Query: Does the Comment of the Week Statuette come in the mail or do I have to attend an awards show to get it?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 01, 2022 09:49 PM (XG2Fi)

For a small fee you can either have it mailed or you can show up to Fort Misanthrope.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 01, 2022 09:50 PM (aA3+G)

28 There are plenty of professions which require a Bachelor's or a Master's degree that in my opinion do not require that advanced of a degree.

Thank you Griggs v. Duke Power Co.

Posted by: Tonypete at May 01, 2022 09:50 PM (Msys3)

29
Query: Does the Comment of the Week Statuette come in the mail or do I have to attend an awards show to get it?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 01, 2022 09:49 PM (XG2Fi)

__________

You have to buy a round for the Horde. And cigars

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 01, 2022 09:51 PM (/U27+)

30 25 Query: Does the Comment of the Week Statuette come in the mail or do I have to attend an awards show to get it?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 01, 2022 09:49 PM (XG2Fi)

I have here, in this hermetically sealed mayonnaise jar, never before seen by human eyes, sealed by Funk and Wagnall's and on their porch since noon today.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 09:51 PM (yrol0)

31 Tulsi Gabbard is a grifter.
Tulsi Gabbard is a commie.
Tulsi Gabbard is one of Klaus Schwab's "Young Global Leaders".

Look but don't touch.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 01, 2022 09:52 PM (8E/wP)

32 If your pissant kollege degree isn't good enough for you to get a job to pay off your loans, it isn't worth me paying for it.
Suck it up buttercup.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 01, 2022 09:53 PM (axyOa)

33 31 Tulsi Gabbard is a grifter.
Tulsi Gabbard is a commie.
Tulsi Gabbard is one of Klaus Schwab's "Young Global Leaders".

Look but don't touch.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 01, 2022 09:52 PM (8E/wP)

See above

$$$$$

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 09:53 PM (yrol0)

34 Query: Does the Comment of the Week Statuette come in the mail or do I have to attend an awards show to get it?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 01, 2022 09:49 PM (XG2Fi)

It's scored more like NASCAR's complex points system. You accumulate weekly points to earn a spot in the year-end playoffs. Then the top finishers there have to perform in the biathalon, the decathalon, and the dance contest for audience votes. No one has made it yet.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 01, 2022 09:53 PM (4I/2K)

35 Bullshit. Funny is funny. It may be rude, crude, and socially unacceptable, but it's still funny.

Posted by: fd at May 01, 2022 09:42 PM (vrz2I)

I saw a huge fat man fall down today. I didn't laugh, but the sidewalk cracked up!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 01, 2022 09:54 PM (7bRMQ)

36 This is ridiculous.
Amish Farmer Faces $250K Fine, Jail Time and Losing His Sustainable Farm for Processing His Own Meat
https://is.gd/YuaEPJ

Posted by: Ciampino at May 01, 2022 09:54 PM (qfLjt)

37 Posted by: Count de Monet at May 01, 2022 09:53 PM (4I/2K)

Fuck NASCAR Spits

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 01, 2022 09:54 PM (aA3+G)

38 So 30 million people (aka illegals) will never ever ever never pay moar into SS or Medicair than they cost.

It will stop in about 5 or 6 years.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 09:54 PM (yrol0)

39 Warren Buffett doesn't believe in Bitcoin.
But Fort Worth, Texas does.
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Wouldn't put a penny into it but if someone gave me some I would certainly take it.

and exchange it for cash, quick

Posted by: Braenyard at May 01, 2022 09:55 PM (8E/wP)

40 Fuck NASCAR Spits
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 01, 2022 09:54 PM (aA3+G)

*fistbump*

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 01, 2022 09:55 PM (4I/2K)

41 Then the top finishers there have to perform in the biathalon, the decathalon, and the dance contest for audience votes. No one has made it yet.
Posted by: Count de Monet at May 01, 2022 09:53 PM (4I/2K)

Dancing with the Cars

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 09:55 PM (yrol0)

42 I never trusted Huckabee from way back. Anyone who would gladly use the state on smokers and eaters has shown his statist cards. He got better under Trump, but it is tough to shake the statist nomenclature. Even decades ago, that guy was the example of a non Quint guy. He clawed some of that back under Trump
But even today I say "hmm" when he talks.

Posted by: Quint at May 01, 2022 09:56 PM (bNcG+)

43 A little while ago wasn't Cawthorn supposed to be too handsy with chicks and now supposedly he's the gay?

Posted by: blaster at May 01, 2022 09:56 PM (9otr5)

44 36 This is ridiculous.
Amish Farmer Faces $250K Fine, Jail Time and Losing His Sustainable Farm for Processing His Own Meat
https://is.gd/YuaEPJ
Posted by: Ciampino at May 01, 2022 09:54 PM (qfLjt)

But Your Honor I self-identify as everything you want me to be. I'm a Trans-Farmer.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 01, 2022 09:56 PM (aA3+G)

45 I hope that Southern Baptist Preacher Huckabee doesn't get his sermons as wrong as Political Blowhard Huckabee gets his bluster, positioning and social meddling bullshit all wrong.

I don't wanna hear a sermon on how the increase in loaves and fishes shoulda been taxed, or how Peter shoulda been shadow-banned for denying Christ three times.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 01, 2022 09:56 PM (QzJWU)

46 hey fappers

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at May 01, 2022 09:58 PM (sJHOI)

47 I'm very curious to what Tulsi's game is.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 01, 2022 09:43 PM (VwHCD)

She just wants to date AOC.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 01, 2022 09:58 PM (7bRMQ)

48 43 A little while ago wasn't Cawthorn supposed to be too handsy with chicks and now supposedly he's the gay?

Posted by: blaster at May 01, 2022 09:56 PM (9otr5)

It's North Carolina's problem. And both Tillis and Burr can go play in the freeway, I believe it's I-85

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 01, 2022 09:58 PM (aA3+G)

49 RIP Naomi, you were a cutie pie.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 01, 2022 09:59 PM (8E/wP)

50 The fact that dedicated poetical enemies with vast resources at their disposal...

I wonder if they're using Iambic Pentameter, or maybe Muldoonish limerick form?

Posted by: mindful webworker - silly at May 01, 2022 10:00 PM (29oIe)

51 Gabbled is as Leftist as any of them. Where she differs is that she doesn't hate the right. She thinks it's a disagreement.

It's hard to know how to accept that anymore.

Posted by: blaster at May 01, 2022 10:00 PM (9otr5)

52 Query: Does the Comment of the Week Statuette come in the mail or do I have to attend an awards show to get it?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 01, 2022 09:49 PM (XG2Fi)
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Allow me:

🏆

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 01, 2022 10:00 PM (wyw4S)

53 44 36 This is ridiculous.
Amish Farmer Faces $250K Fine, Jail Time and Losing His Sustainable Farm for Processing His Own Meat
https://is.gd/YuaEPJ
Posted by: Ciampino at May 01, 2022 09:54 PM (qfLjt)

But Your Honor I self-identify as everything you want me to be. I'm a Trans-Farmer.
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Was he perhaps selling trans meat?
Horse meat that was now trans-beef?

Posted by: Ciampino at May 01, 2022 10:00 PM (qfLjt)

54 Stupid shit like that is why Huckabee never made it past the JV team.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 01, 2022 10:00 PM (LkM8p)

55 The people behind Obama are the people behind the new MiniTrue. I think they are also behind Tulsi, setting her up as their new front.

Posted by: davidt at May 01, 2022 10:00 PM (sReZj)

56 good evening everyone

Posted by: wing at May 01, 2022 10:01 PM (PlW9M)

57 $$$ is probably part of it. But she has consistently been a middle of the road Democrat. Democrats weren't always card carrying Commies.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 01, 2022 09:49 PM (aA3+G)

Maybe.

Posted by: Jess Unruh at May 01, 2022 10:01 PM (7bRMQ)

58 How about if we pay for your college, we can choose your major. Randomly. Marketable majors only such as STEM, business, accounting, etc. Student can do GoBiteMe funding for any "Studies", Humanities, Artsy, Psocial "Pscience" and so on.

Posted by: Hal Dall MD at May 01, 2022 10:01 PM (Mmad0)

59 Stupid shit like that is why Huckabee never made it past the JV team.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 01, 2022 10:00 PM (LkM8p)

That and his bass line riffs.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 01, 2022 10:01 PM (4I/2K)

60 Jason and the Argonauts on Comet TV!

See ya!

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 01, 2022 10:02 PM (U2p+3)

61 Back in the day ROTC used to have a requirement that 50% of scholarship recipients had to be hard science majors.

They got rid of that.

Posted by: blaster at May 01, 2022 10:03 PM (9otr5)

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59 Stupid shit like that is why Huckabee never made it past the JV team.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 01, 2022 10:00 PM (LkM8p)

That and his bass line riffs.
Posted by: Count de Monet at May 01, 2022 10:01 PM (4I/2K)

How do you get a bass player to leave your porch?

Pay him for the pizza.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 01, 2022 10:03 PM (aA3+G)

63 Bitcoin "mining" isn't mining. It's more akin to forgery. You waste a lot of effort to do a long and complicated calculation for the sake of showing that you have done a long and complicated calculation. You have produced nothing of enduring value.

Real mining takes something of value out of the Earth, and refines it into a product for which demand already exists. Be it gold, or copper, or diamonds, or even gravel, there is a market for it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 01, 2022 10:03 PM (Q+k/j)

64 Regarding Cawthorne's comment about a drip campaign. The drip campaign doesn't work on those of us who no longer partake of the liberal news media.

Posted by: nerdygirl at May 01, 2022 10:04 PM (+lVUW)

65 1 [595 comments] 'Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)' [83.49 posts/day]

I'm curious what percentage of those are busty redhead etc links.

At least I'm not on the lists of shames. Again.

Posted by: mindful webworker - this is a sock at May 01, 2022 10:04 PM (29oIe)

66 Amish Farmer Faces $250K Fine, Jail Time and Losing His Sustainable Farm for Processing His Own Meat
https://is.gd/YuaEPJ

Posted by: Ciampino at May 01, 2022 09:54 PM (qfLjt)

Hey!

Posted by: Shep! at May 01, 2022 10:04 PM (7bRMQ)

67 There's a pic of Cawthorne with a guy's hand in his lap at the DM, unless my eyes deceived me.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 01, 2022 10:04 PM (8E/wP)

68 "You have produced nothing of enduring value."

Hence my idea for Baconbitcoin.

Posted by: fd at May 01, 2022 10:05 PM (vrz2I)

69 If Swalwell can be a Congress person in good standing then so can Cawthorne. Well okay that was mean he's in a wheelchair. But you know what I mean.

Posted by: blaster at May 01, 2022 10:05 PM (9otr5)

70 It's scored more like NASCAR's complex points system. You accumulate weekly points to earn a spot in the year-end playoffs. Then the top finishers there have to perform in the biathalon, the decathalon, and the dance contest for audience votes. No one has made it yet.
Posted by: Count de Monet at May 01, 2022 09:53 PM (4I/2K)

but you do get special bonus points if you put up a noose in your garage and then say someone else did it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 01, 2022 10:06 PM (r46W7)

71 Bitcoin "mining" isn't mining. It's more akin to forgery. You waste a lot of effort to do a long and complicated calculation for the sake of showing that you have done a long and complicated calculation. You have produced nothing of enduring value.

Real mining takes something of value out of the Earth, and refines it into a product for which demand already exists. Be it gold, or copper, or diamonds, or even gravel, there is a market for it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 01, 2022 10:03 PM (Q+k/j)

So you're saying it's perfect for the new economy?
We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us.

Posted by: Bitcoin miners, hauling 16 tons of data bits at May 01, 2022 10:06 PM (MFphb)

72 PayPal has canceled Consortium News‘ account without any prior notice or due process and with virtually no explanation.
https://is.gd/VODS0u

Posted by: Ciampino at May 01, 2022 10:06 PM (qfLjt)

73 "Private colleges with substantial trusts should have some skin in the game if they accept student loan payments.

Let the Harvard's and Yale's piss and moan."

Both Yale and Harvard would never let any student use money as an excuse not to go to the school - and that's good - but they should never, ever need to charge tuition to any undergrad that gets accepted there, either. With the billions that they have in their endowments, they could afford to pay for every undergrad that attends, no matter their ability to pay. And they should.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 01, 2022 10:07 PM (+WzkQ)

74 Losing His Sustainable Farm for Processing His Own Meat

The Sin of Onan.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at May 01, 2022 10:07 PM (qK5iF)

75 Thanks for another swell ONT, Mis Hum! Lovely photo up top looks like the Colorado Rockies. Nice tune behind it too.

I pray the corrections officer is found safe and that the convict is returned to jail, where he belongs, without injury to anyone involved.

Posted by: Legally Sufficient, HONK! Believing in America at May 01, 2022 10:07 PM (xT18z)

76 The student loan thing, aside from being part of the long term prog destruction of society, is also several types of trap.

The most relevant one for all of the loan forgiveness thing is the loan nationalizations in 2009 that nearly everyone who wasn't a recent graduate, or about to graduate then, doesn't seem to know about.

"You borrowed the money, pay it back per the contract" went right out the window as soon as Obama tore up the contracts and handed the debts to cronies. The resulting messes and now the infighting was intentional.

It's not about people picking dumb degrees any more than face masks were about science or disease prevention.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at May 01, 2022 10:07 PM (qVRSW)

77 They seem like a new couple. -

Stay away from crazy applies to both sexes.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 01, 2022 10:07 PM (8E/wP)

78 Good evening all! Not the most comments but I made the most repulsive one I guess. lol!

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 01, 2022 10:08 PM (nxdel)

79 Good evening morons.

Posted by: Muad'dib at May 01, 2022 10:08 PM (WUSNl)

80 Good evening all! Not the most comments but I made the most repulsive one I guess. lol!
Posted by: Jewells45 at May 01, 2022 10:08 PM (nxdel)

It was a good one. May I have your autograph?

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 01, 2022 10:09 PM (4I/2K)

81 I pray the corrections officer is found safe and that the convict is returned to jail, where he belongs, without injury to anyone involved.
Posted by: Legally Sufficient, HONK! Believing in America at May 01, 2022 10:07 PM (xT18z)

My guess is she is already dead. The bastard probably charmed her into assisting him to escape, and as soon as they were down the road a piece, he bumped her off. I hope I am wrong, but I doubt it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 01, 2022 10:09 PM (Q+k/j)

82 Bitcoin has two great virtues.

First, it is immune to government manipulation and dilution.

Second, if you don't use an intermediary for your wallet and transfers, data about your Bitcoin holdings and transactions are impervious to government inquiry.

Those are pretty significant benefits.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 01, 2022 10:09 PM (XG2Fi)

83 I hope @elonmusk will insist that all Twitter posters use their real names

Huckabee minored in idiot at college.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 01, 2022 10:09 PM (8E/wP)

84 Anybody who has ever used an editor, ghost writer or nom de plume needs to own up to it and give me their money.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 01, 2022 10:09 PM (LkM8p)

85 I pray the corrections officer is found safe and that the convict is returned to jail, where he belongs, without injury to anyone involved.
Posted by: Legally Sufficient, HONK! Believing in America at May 01, 2022 10:07 PM (xT18z)

I believe acute lead poisoning would take care of them both.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 01, 2022 10:10 PM (aA3+G)

86 Transgender Assistant Secretary of Health Rachel Levine sparks fury by claiming ALL pediatricians agree on 'gender-affirming care' - despite doctors warning against 'chemical castration' puberty blockers that have been linked to infertility
https://is.gd/GdCd5C

Posted by: Ciampino at May 01, 2022 10:10 PM (qfLjt)

87 Evening.

I only half agree with Huckabee. Only the bad people should be forced to use their real names on Twatter. As for who decides who is bad, the answer is simple. Me. I will decide who is good and who is bad. The power won't go to my head. Swearsies.

Posted by: Robert at May 01, 2022 10:10 PM (g8DpB)

88 24 Last I saw Mike Huckabee he was hawking some kind of memory or sleeping pill or some crap like that. Mediocre Man.
Posted by: fd at May 01, 2022 09:49 PM (vrz2I)

Huckabee is nothing more than Willy Jeff, but with a lot less finesse. I was done with Huck when, as a sitting governor of Arkansas, he opened a gift registry so the citizens could send wedding anniversary presents to him and his wife.

Sarah Huckabee Sanders, on the other hand, is still aces with me.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 01, 2022 10:10 PM (+WzkQ)

89 I do recognize a campaign being orchestrated to denigrate Cawthorn; on the other had, he's sure done a hell of a lot of stupid stuff to make it easy. Not just the stupid picture, but thinking he didn't need to bother having a valid drivers license like the rest of us and getting busted for not having one. That's just idiotic, and it doesn't say much for his judgment.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 01, 2022 10:11 PM (r46W7)

90 Pot peddlers are hawking their weed near kids as young as 10

Days gone by that would be target practice.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 01, 2022 10:11 PM (8E/wP)

91 Jewells! Wowsers. Nicely done.

Posted by: Muad'dib at May 01, 2022 10:11 PM (WUSNl)

92 May I have your autograph?

Of course, if we shall ever meet. I do have a potty mouth as I'm sure all are aware by now.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 01, 2022 10:12 PM (nxdel)

93 The woman that helped the convict escape appears to be missing something.

She has no neck.

It's like her head is attacked directly to her shoulders.

Posted by: Robert at May 01, 2022 10:12 PM (g8DpB)

94 8 I'm very curious to what Tulsi's game is.

She is setting herself up to be the leader of the sane Democrats after the rest of them crash and burn. She's smart, and it's a smart play.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 01, 2022 10:12 PM (ZsR3z)

95 92 May I have your autograph?

Of course, if we shall ever meet. I do have a potty mouth as I'm sure all are aware by now.
Posted by: Jewells45 at May 01, 2022 10:12 PM (nxdel)

Do you cuss in cursive as well?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 01, 2022 10:13 PM (aA3+G)

96 Hardcore Leftists want to give loan forgiveness because the credentialed class is their core constituency. They don't care about moral hazard or any of that. The establishment Dems just want it is an issue. They will never actually do it. But they raise it now to raise money and to bait the Right into opposing it so they look mean.

Posted by: blaster at May 01, 2022 10:13 PM (9otr5)

97 Jewells! Wowsers. Nicely done.

Thank you kind sir.
*curtsies*

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 01, 2022 10:14 PM (nxdel)

98 Sad to hear about Naomi Judd.

https://youtu.be/6jXrmAKBBTU

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 01, 2022 10:14 PM (sAmhv)

99 Imagine. A Democrat that claims to love America.

Try to wrap your head around that one.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 01, 2022 10:14 PM (XG2Fi)

100 Do you cuss in cursive as well?

I can do it calligraphy as well.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 01, 2022 10:15 PM (nxdel)

101 Every comedian like Bill is going to have to bend the knee eventually. All comedy has the chance to be offensive. Now I pretty much try to never talk to women at work about anything that's not directly work related. I've extended that to anyone under 35. Its just not the risk. And I'll admit it is real hard for a big mouth like me that sees a joke in everything. I have never made any demeaning joke or sexist joke. But things have gotten weird. For instance one guy was written up for insulting nickleback. HR after talking to the complainant said that was ageist and homophobic. ???

People would tell me that I always crack them up and they meet me in a work setting now and I've changed. But everyone says they understand why. Me being open and trying to make someone laugh isn't worth what they could do to me. I've never had any one say boo to me about it. But I don't care too. I don't like work people enough to risk my life on making them laugh. And I have 20 damned years before I can pull the eject handle.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 01, 2022 10:15 PM (0fVbu)

102 Speaking of Arkansas idiots, current Gov. Asa Hutchinson opened his facehole today to criticize DeSantis for punishing Disney, because literally "muh principles." Also, he's thinking of running for President, for some reason.

https://tinyurl.com/2ywmp9db

Posted by: Dr. T at May 01, 2022 10:15 PM (tp+tP)

103 85 I pray the corrections officer is found safe and that the convict is returned to jail, where he belongs, without injury to anyone involved.
Posted by: Legally Sufficient, HONK! Believing in America at May 01, 2022 10:07 PM (xT18z)

WTF is up with female guards who decide that they have found Their One True Love in the maximum security wing? I think it proves our ancestors were right; it's idiotic to hire women as prison guards, under any circumstances. Just as idiotic to have any male guards in women's prisons.

well while I'm dreaming of a perfect society, lets just shoot any trannie who gets arrested for any reason, then no one has to worry what prison to put them in.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 01, 2022 10:16 PM (r46W7)

104 I'm very curious to what Tulsi's game is.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 01, 2022 09:43 PM (VwHCD)

She just wants to date AOC.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 01, 2022 09:58 PM (7bRMQ)

I'm not sure if that's a wonderful image or not. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 01, 2022 10:16 PM (VwHCD)

105
I'd like loan forgiveness for my mortgage. Shelter is a human right. And ice cream.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 01, 2022 10:16 PM (/U27+)

106 Also, he's thinking of running for President, for some reason.

https://tinyurl.com/2ywmp9db
Posted by: Dr. T at May 01, 2022 10:15 PM (tp+tP)

Low bank account?

Posted by: a dude in MI at May 01, 2022 10:17 PM (+I6Y/)

107 My guess is she is already dead. The bastard probably charmed her into assisting him to escape, and as soon as they were down the road a piece, he bumped her off. I hope I am wrong, but I doubt it.
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That's my fear also. Local papers today added that she submitted her retirement paperwork the day before she disappeared. I'm wondering if she was in some sort of mental health crisis.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 01, 2022 10:17 PM (sWM8x)

108 102 Speaking of Arkansas idiots, current Gov. Asa Hutchinson opened his facehole today to criticize DeSantis for punishing Disney, because literally "muh principles." Also, he's thinking of running for President, for some reason.

https://tinyurl.com/2ywmp9db
Posted by: Dr. T at May 01, 2022 10:15 PM (tp+tP)

I guess that Asa isn't getting that WalMart board seat after he leaves the governor's mansion, as was his original plan.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 01, 2022 10:17 PM (+WzkQ)

109 102 Speaking of Arkansas idiots, current Gov. Asa Hutchinson opened his facehole today to criticize DeSantis for punishing Disney, because literally "muh principles." Also, he's thinking of running for President, for some reason.

https://tinyurl.com/2ywmp9db
Posted by: Dr. T at May 01, 2022 10:15 PM (tp+tP)

Hutchison never does anything (like make this statement today) unless Walmart's general counsel calls up and tells him to do it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 01, 2022 10:17 PM (r46W7)

110 I don't wanna hear a sermon on how the increase in loaves and fishes shoulda been taxed, or how Peter shoulda been shadow-banned for denying Christ three times.
Jim Sunk New Dawn

"Peter" was just a silly little sophomoric screen name.

Posted by: mindful webworker - silly little junioric screen name at May 01, 2022 10:17 PM (29oIe)

111 105
I'd like loan forgiveness for my mortgage. Shelter is a human right. And ice cream.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 01, 2022 10:16 PM (/U27+)

Yes, you have lived on the Rocky Road.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 01, 2022 10:17 PM (aA3+G)

112 Imagine. A Democrat that claims to love America.

Try to wrap your head around that one.

"Claims."

Posted by: davidt at May 01, 2022 10:18 PM (sReZj)

113 95 92 May I have your autograph?

Of course, if we shall ever meet. I do have a potty mouth as I'm sure all are aware by now.
Posted by: Jewells45 at May 01, 2022 10:12 PM (nxdel)

Do you cuss in cursive as well?

----
Yes and with a dip pen too.

Posted by: Ciampino at May 01, 2022 10:18 PM (qfLjt)

114 I think Tulsi is angling for a gig at Fox News

Followed by a primo spot at MSNBC

Then perfectly positioned as Rachel Levine's VP

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at May 01, 2022 10:18 PM (sJHOI)

115 32 If your pissant kollege degree isn't good enough for you to get a job to pay off your loans, it isn't worth me paying for it.
Suck it up buttercup.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 01, 2022 09:53 PM (axyOa)

My nephew married a nice young gal. Thing is, she got a BA in English Literature or some such. It took her four years to get a full time job that pays $18 or $20 per hour. She works in an office entering information into a computer. An Associates degree would have been enough.

Posted by: nerdygirl at May 01, 2022 10:19 PM (+lVUW)

116 Yo

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math ~~Queen~~ King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at May 01, 2022 10:19 PM (rF64X)

117 For instance one guy was written up for insulting nickleback. HR after talking to the complainant said that was ageist and homophobic. ???
Posted by: banana Dream at May 01, 2022 10:15 PM (0fVbu)

Nickelback fans are pussies.

Posted by: Robert at May 01, 2022 10:19 PM (g8DpB)

118 For instance one guy was written up for insulting nickleback. HR after talking to the complainant said that was ageist and homophobic. ???

People would tell me that I always crack them up and they meet me in a work setting now and I've changed. But everyone says they understand why. Me being open and trying to make someone laugh isn't worth what they could do to me. I've never had any one say boo to me about it. But I don't care too. I don't like work people enough to risk my life on making them laugh. And I have 20 damned years before I can pull the eject handle.
Posted by: banana Dream at May 01, 2022 10:15 PM (0fVbu)

Nickelback is teh ghey? who knew? I thought they were just a shitty band; one of many. They come from Hanna, about 60 miles from here

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 01, 2022 10:19 PM (Q+k/j)

119 Yo back Chique

Posted by: Muad'dib at May 01, 2022 10:19 PM (WUSNl)

120 Confucius say: At lesbian compound, scissors win Rochambeau every time.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 01, 2022 10:20 PM (LkM8p)

121 I'm a like to see Sarah as governor.
We'll have the opportunity to see whether she's a grifter like her daddy or a real conservative.

Hoping for the latter.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 01, 2022 10:21 PM (8E/wP)

122 61 is that real? M guy guess is no but that would be interesting. I think the liberal arts have been given short shrift in the modern era. There are thousands of Chines students who could not get a legit history or English degree with a gun to their head. The modern "social sciences" are a joke, nothing to take seriously.

We definitely need most in the hard sciences. But we also need serious students of history and literature. It seems our issue is we want for all of them.

Posted by: Quint at May 01, 2022 10:21 PM (bNcG+)

123 I think college loans should follow the rules laid out by Goodfellas. You overpaid for an all inclusive resort that required some occasional classes? Fuck you, pay me. Your gender studies degree isn''t in high demand out in the real world? Fuck you, pay me. Mad because all you really needed was a library card and good internet access? Fuck you, pay me. Daddy pushed you into becoming an accountant when you wanted interpretive dance? Fuck you, pay me.

Posted by: Posting "First" should be a killin' offense! at May 01, 2022 10:21 PM (/ilN+)

124 Yo
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at May 01, 2022 10:19 PM (rF64X)

'Sup?

Posted by: Robert at May 01, 2022 10:21 PM (g8DpB)

125 Who would be stupid enough to donate money to Black Lives Matter? If you're that open to being scammed, I have some great investment opportunities for you to consider.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 01, 2022 10:22 PM (XG2Fi)

126 "I have more need for a LPN or welder than I do a Woman's Study major."

You just THINK that because you're a man.

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 10:22 PM (dO2Sg)

127 Hi Robert!

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math ~~Queen~~ King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at May 01, 2022 10:22 PM (rF64X)

128 Tulsi would do well at Fox, she would do the bosses' bidding and make it look real.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 01, 2022 10:23 PM (8E/wP)

129 Just for laughs:

CHRIS WALLACE

You're welcome.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 01, 2022 10:24 PM (XG2Fi)

130 116 Yo
Posted by: chique l'African

Ho Ho
and a bottle of rum!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ every book has been rewritten ~ at May 01, 2022 10:25 PM (hOUT3)

131 We're starting to see this coordinated drip campaign. When I say a drip campaign, it's where they're going to drop an attack article every one or two days just to try and kill us by death by a thousand cuts, and that is really their main strategy,"

Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-NC)

And let me finish his thought.

"....and so called conservatives that constantly tell you that the media is lying will eagerly post every unsubstantiated rumor and smear the media pushes on their own message boards."

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 01, 2022 10:25 PM (rqOkr)

132 Good evening MH.
Another fine ONT.
And as per usual, fantastic music.

Posted by: COMountainMarie at May 01, 2022 10:26 PM (9uqbB)

133 Real mining takes something of value out of the Earth, and refines it into a product for which demand already exists. Be it gold, or copper, or diamonds, or even gravel, there is a market for it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 01, 2022 10:03 PM (Q+k/j)

OK, that is hard currency, now explain how the US or Canadian dollar is created, and what gives them currency status

Posted by: Kindltot at May 01, 2022 10:26 PM (xhaym)

134 This is ridiculous.
Amish Farmer Faces $250K Fine, Jail Time and Losing His Sustainable Farm for Processing His Own Meat
https://is.gd/YuaEPJ
Posted by: Ciampino at May 01, 2022 09:54 PM (qfLjt)

Is he violating actual law or regulations?

Posted by: Javems at May 01, 2022 10:26 PM (AmoqO)

135 I've watched several You Tube videos interviewing Doomberg. All very interesting. They focus on energy topics and their motto is "Energy is life". They went subscription on their Substack. I did subscribe. It's a little spendy so will see if it's good value.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at May 01, 2022 10:26 PM (YynYJ)

136 But I don't care too. I don't like work people enough to risk my life on making them laugh. And I have 20 damned years before I can pull the eject handle.

Exactly. Since the company went on a hiring binge bringing in Zoomers, (all of our Mills didn't pan out - crappy work ethic) the generation gap is too large and there is no longer any common ground in culture, ethic, entertainment or knowledge.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 01, 2022 10:27 PM (AHeqJ)

137 Do they mint bit coins?
Can I hold it in my hand?

Posted by: Braenyard at May 01, 2022 10:27 PM (8E/wP)

138 OK, that is hard currency, now explain how the US or Canadian dollar is created, and what gives them currency status
Posted by: Kindltot at May 01, 2022 10:26 PM (xhaym)

I will answer that question with another question: if the value of your bitcoin crashes to zero, who do you shoot?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 01, 2022 10:27 PM (Q+k/j)

139 Is he violating actual law or regulations?
Posted by: Javems at May 01, 2022 10:26 PM (AmoqO)

Does that really matter anymore?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ every book has been rewritten ~ at May 01, 2022 10:28 PM (hOUT3)

140 116 Yo
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at May 01, 2022 10:19 PM (rF64X)

Word up!

https://youtu.be/mq_wXoSlvpk

Good grief, what a horrible video. Damn solid song though.

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 01, 2022 10:28 PM (sAmhv)

141 Chris Wallace deserves everything that's happened to him. Just go home and eat some soup loser.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 01, 2022 10:29 PM (nxdel)

142 OK, that is hard currency, now explain how the US or Canadian dollar is created, and what gives them currency status
---
I've asked people: What if you're the world's best counterfeiter. You produce counterfeits that are never detected. Would that be morally wrong?

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 01, 2022 10:30 PM (sWM8x)

143 Who would be stupid enough to donate money to Black Lives Matter? If you're that open to being scammed, I have some great investment opportunities for you to consider.

Only if your opportunities guarantee a substantial increase in ESG scores.

Squandering money on BLM gave many companies greater access to ESG based investment funds.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 01, 2022 10:30 PM (AHeqJ)

144 Student loan forgiveness is about getting working class people to pay the debts of lunatics.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 01, 2022 10:30 PM (KFhLj)

145 I got and paid for my Masters Degree in Architecture. I needed it to become an Architect. I also needed five years of professional practice and I also needed to pass a nine part, five day test in order to become a Registered Professional.

Doctors? Yeah. Lawyers, probably. Engineers? Certainly.

I paid for it with some loans, and I paid them off. So, when it comes time to forgive student loan debt, I will take $36K adjusted from 1985 dollars, please. In total. Otherwise, fuck you and the cheapskate horse you rode in on.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at May 01, 2022 10:30 PM (LOVUx)

146 115 Nerdy Girl. I respect your info but I am not sure I agree with the premise. It turns out that legit History and English majors do better that business majors five years after graduation. This has been studied to death. No doubt the hard sciences do better. But I would take history or English over marketing and management any day, at least at the undergrad level.

I am a Mike Rowe guy. I say take a break and learn a skill

Posted by: Quint at May 01, 2022 10:31 PM (bNcG+)

147 I've asked people: What if you're the world's best counterfeiter. You produce counterfeits that are never detected. Would that be morally wrong?
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 01, 2022 10:30 PM (sWM8x)

You mean like the US Mint does?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ every book has been rewritten ~ at May 01, 2022 10:31 PM (hOUT3)

148 Doomberg talks about using fiat dollars to buy assets. They don't cate much for bitcoin.

Learned all sorts of stuff, like there's no means to distribute natural gas to New England so they import it. And the underwater pipeline the Ecos want to shut down that supplies natural gas to Wisconsin.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at May 01, 2022 10:32 PM (YynYJ)

149 117 For instance one guy was written up for insulting nickleback. HR after talking to the complainant said that was ageist and homophobic. ???
Posted by: banana Dream at May 01, 2022 10:15 PM (0fVbu)

Nickelback fans are pussies.
Posted by: Robert at May 01, 2022 10:19 PM (g8DpB)

I heard that if you play Nickelback songs backwards, you'll hear messages from the Devil. But if you play them forwards, you hear Nickelback, so it's a wash.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 01, 2022 10:33 PM (r46W7)

150 You mean like the US Mint does?
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Yeah, that's what I was getting at.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 01, 2022 10:33 PM (sWM8x)

151 Hi Robert!
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at May 01, 2022 10:22 PM (rF64X)

Hi Chique!

Posted by: Robert at May 01, 2022 10:34 PM (WQvu4)

152 You mean like the US Mint does?
---
Yeah, that's what I was getting at.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 01, 2022 10:33 PM (sWM8x)

Arguably, when the USA, and other countries went off the gold standard, they just agreed that counterfeiting is legal, but national governments have a monopoly on the practice.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 01, 2022 10:35 PM (Q+k/j)

153 "Query: Does the Comment of the Week Statuette come in the mail or do I have to attend an awards show to get it?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43)"

You will get an email with a link to an NFT image of a statuette. For a one-time payment of only $25 dollars if can be your and only yours forever.

Posted by: Ripley at May 01, 2022 10:35 PM (PTDkx)

154 Goodnight.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at May 01, 2022 10:35 PM (II3Gr)

155 The new social sciences where they learn about South American Trans basket weaving is something else. These are not real disciplines. They skin suited the liberal arts just like they plan to skin suit the sciences.

Posted by: Quint at May 01, 2022 10:35 PM (bNcG+)

156 Regarding the sidebar, there's an even better use for nuclear waste: making batteries that last 28,000 years. They produce a very small amount of power but it is constant and can be accumulated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeVOFydscAo

Posted by: Epobirs at May 01, 2022 10:36 PM (qnocg)

157 Here's the link to Line 5, the pipeline in Michigan that also serves wisconsin

https://tinyurl.com/2r9nyu32

( Hope this one can still be viewed without subscribing).

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at May 01, 2022 10:36 PM (YynYJ)

158 I actually have some aviation, regulatory, FAA news that's current.

So there's a youtube guy named Trent Palmer that had his pilot license revoked. He's appealing it though. The story is, he is a bush pilot and had a friend with a grass strip, out in the middle of the brush ask him to come over to land there. Well he flew over, did some inspection runs and decided that he couldn't identify a safe place to touch down with enough room to roll out so he flew back home.

Shortly after he got a call from a ntsb/faa agent saying we would like to talk to you. Well turns out a distant neighbor of the guy with the strip didn't like that, and decided to complain. Trent claimed he followed the FAA rules for inspecting a potential landing spot. The FAA said it doesn't matter and the civil judge rulled against him. People are saying this could end being a bush pilot. And it looks like Trent was right so why did the judge and the FAA rule this way. Well that's related to 3 other things. (cont.)

Posted by: banana Dream at May 01, 2022 10:36 PM (rWGyP)

159 Goodnight.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at May 01, 2022 10:35 PM (II3Gr)

Night.

Posted by: Robert at May 01, 2022 10:36 PM (WQvu4)

160 I don't like Nickleback. Same reason I don't like Creed. But I have to laugh at the level of hate they generate. Often from people who think gay shit like Aerosmith is rock.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 01, 2022 10:37 PM (KFhLj)

161 142 I've asked people: What if you're the world's best counterfeiter. You produce counterfeits that are never detected. Would that be morally wrong?

Not if the treasury is just printing fiat money.

Posted by: Ciampino at May 01, 2022 10:37 PM (qfLjt)

162 Hi Commissar and Puddleglum!

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math ~~Queen~~ King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at May 01, 2022 10:37 PM (rF64X)

163 Q. What is a soap opera on wheels?

Posted by: NASCAR at May 01, 2022 10:38 PM (lEaEN)

164 So Joey's going after the Amish. Very interesting.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 01, 2022 10:40 PM (8E/wP)

165 "Lovely photo up top looks like the Colorado Rockies. "

Posted by: Legally Sufficient, HONK! Believing in America at May 01, 2022 10:07 PM (xT18z)

Correct. Those peaks are known as the Maroon Bells.

Posted by: Meremortal at May 01, 2022 10:41 PM (Bwqq4)

166 I don't like Nickleback. Same reason I don't like Creed. But I have to laugh at the level of hate they generate. Often from people who think gay shit like Aerosmith is rock.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 01, 2022 10:37 PM (KFhLj)

Creed was...hhhmmmm.

Creed had its moments. When Scott Stapp's ego ran away with him and left the band and the other three guys hired a real singer and became Alter Bridge then you could see the real talents shine through.

Posted by: Robert at May 01, 2022 10:41 PM (iDIjK)

167 You're surprised at the Amish farmer case? That started when Obama was Prez. Put the small meat processors out of business unless they were USDA certified. TN did pass a law allowing groups to have meat processed without it but I think it's the only one. Joel Salatin has written books on the stupid rules designed to put small farmers out of business.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at May 01, 2022 10:41 PM (YynYJ)

168 >>>Q. What is a soap opera on wheels?

Posted by: NASCAR

>F1? They always finish in the same order as qualifying. See you next week.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 01, 2022 10:42 PM (LkM8p)

169 Mike Huckabee seems awfully concerned about online anonymity for a dude that released multiple murderers and rapists who then went on to rape a murder some more.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 01, 2022 10:42 PM (rqOkr)

170 Not if the treasury is just printing fiat money.
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That's my view. Counterfeiting would be morally wrong only if some innocent person was left holding the bag. If a counterfeit note was never identified as counterfeit, it would be just like all the bills in circulation.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 01, 2022 10:43 PM (sWM8x)

171 139 Is he violating actual law or regulations?
Posted by: Javems at May 01, 2022 10:26 PM (AmoqO)

Does that really matter anymore?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ every book has been rewritten ~ at May 01, 2022 10:28 PM (hOUT3)

Wondering who they will send to arrest you if you fail to comply. USDA swat team? FDA swat team? I'm sure they have one.

Posted by: Javems at May 01, 2022 10:43 PM (AmoqO)

172 The new social sciences where they learn about South American Trans basket weaving is something else. These are not real disciplines. They skin suited the liberal arts just like they plan to skin suit the sciences.
Posted by: Quint at May 01, 2022 10:35 PM (bNcG+)

English and History once had source documents that remained relatively constant so they were tangible topics for study based on an actual information base and had actual utility to members of a productive society.

Marketing and management courses are basically variations on the trendy topic du jour.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ every book has been rewritten ~ at May 01, 2022 10:45 PM (hOUT3)

173 (cont)
First thing: There's a guy named Trevor Jacob who's some low placed olympic guy who became a youtube personality and a pilot. In one video he goes up, he said to spread a friend's ashes over some mountain. Well oh no! his engine quits but he handily had a parachute right on him, because you know all pilots just happen to have a parachute packed and ready and a selfi stick and videoed himself jumping out of his plane. He then lands, goes to his crashed aircraft, and removes some recording devices and stuff. His video got a lot of hits.

Well the FAA looked at the videos, especially the parts that were edited out, looked at the condition of the crashed aircraft and included that he did it all as a stunt. He violated regulations against endangerment of life and structure, which are pretty big regs and he had an emergence revocation, meaning you have hours to report to a representative and hand over your license so you can't fly anymore. So the FAA is seeing YouTubers do crazy shit. then the next thing happens (.cont)

Posted by: banana Dream at May 01, 2022 10:45 PM (rWGyP)

174 Nickelback is teh ghey? who knew? I thought they were just a shitty band; one of many. They come from Hanna, about 60 miles from here

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 01, 2022 10:19 PM (Q+k/j)

I found a nickleback CD in Mrs B's car one time. It is forbidden.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 01, 2022 10:46 PM (VwHCD)

175 Hello there yourself chique!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ every book has been rewritten ~ at May 01, 2022 10:46 PM (hOUT3)

176 USDA swat team? FDA swat team? I'm sure they have one.
Posted by: Javems

I'm prepared. I have scrapple and I'm not afraid to use it.

Posted by: Tonypete at May 01, 2022 10:47 PM (Msys3)

177
I will answer that question with another question: if the value of your bitcoin crashes to zero, who do you shoot? Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 01, 2022 10:27 PM (Q+k/j)

Good luck with that one, never worked before and never will again. Look up the Austral. Oops, oh well, and the bankers are still in charge
US dollars are created by loan origination. The banks write loans and then what is making it valuable is your work in paying it off. The FED covers the loan and only demands set interest, which the bank then uses to set their own.
Raised interest rates don't destroy money, they just slow the demand for loans by making them more expensive to pay off, and by diverting money that would go into paying new loans off into paying off current loans. This is what a central bank does.

Prior to the Fed, the money supply was set by Congress advising the Treasury to issue gold backed dollars, and they messed around with that by fixing the price of silver differently than market spot, and issuing bonds through legislation to industry: generally canals, navigation improvement and railroads, which acted as issuance of additional funds. (Continued)

Posted by: Kindltot at May 01, 2022 10:47 PM (xhaym)

178 Prior to this, during "free banking" that was only subject to state laws, banks would hold specie and issue loans and banknotes beyond the actual value of the holding on the expectation that the clearing of the notes would take time and there would be a continual kiting of the payments. In a credit crunch they bank could offer higher interest to attract more deposits to pay off immediate demands for payment, but this could just be kicking the can down the road. Quite often the bank would just bankrupt and pay off investors from actual value held.
Central banks actually sped up the clearing of the notes and credit payments, making this model impossible without central bank participation.

The one thing Crypto does is remove the need for a centralized clearing of credits like a credit agency or a central bank. It is done automatically through the shared ledger that all operators hold. As long as the players are willing to use the markers that is fine. This is true of the Barbados pound or the Paraguayan Guarani, too. Or the Argentine Austral.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 01, 2022 10:47 PM (xhaym)

179 If you have a degree in Social Justice, Black Studies, Queer Theory, Feminist Anything, Racial Anything, Gay Anything, your student loans should be tripled with no possibly means of reduction.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 01, 2022 10:47 PM (m0zqP)

180 ..Wondering who they will send to arrest you if you fail to comply. USDA swat team? FDA swat team? I'm sure they have one. Posted by: Javems at May 01, 2022 10:43 PM (AmoqO)

I was at Pearland Shooting Center, appx 2005, and the guys in the next pistol bay down were USDA swatties. I kept my distance, wrapped up my gear, and departed. Seeing the blue windbreakers with "USDA" across the back shoulders, I didn't know exactly what, but certainly sensed that something was wrong in Denmark.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 01, 2022 10:48 PM (QzJWU)

181 179 If you have a degree in Social Justice, Black Studies, Queer Theory, Feminist Anything, Racial Anything, Gay Anything, your student loans should be tripled with no possibly means of reduction.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 01, 2022 10:47 PM (m0zqP)

At what point did nobody hit those idiots on the head with the clue bat?

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at May 01, 2022 10:48 PM (LOVUx)

182 Mike Huckabee wrote about the Libs of Tic Tok a week before he told anonymous people to "be a man".

Is he a cypher or is he really that dumb?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 01, 2022 10:48 PM (ybIRR)

183 Wondering who they will send to arrest you if you fail to comply. USDA swat team? FDA swat team? I'm sure they have one.
Posted by: Javems at May 01, 2022 10:43 PM (AmoqO)

I think the rule is that every Federal Agency MUST have a swat team infrastructure, millions of rounds of ammo, and weapons that are completely illegal for any mere private citizen to own.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ every book has been rewritten ~ at May 01, 2022 10:49 PM (hOUT3)

184 182 Mike Huckabee wrote about the Libs of Tic Tok a week before he told anonymous people to "be a man".

Is he a cypher or is he really that dumb?
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 01, 2022 10:48 PM (ybIRR)

Oh, Mikey, go lay down by your dish.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at May 01, 2022 10:49 PM (LOVUx)

185 167 You're surprised at the Amish farmer case? That started when Obama was Prez. Put the small meat processors out of business unless they were USDA certified. TN did pass a law allowing groups to have meat processed without it but I think it's the only one. Joel Salatin has written books on the stupid rules designed to put small farmers out of business.
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With Obama I seem to remember it involved unpasteurized milk. I don't remember meat but then I'm 29.

Posted by: Ciampino at May 01, 2022 10:50 PM (qfLjt)

186 I think the rule is that every Federal Agency MUST have a swat team infrastructure, millions of rounds of ammo, and weapons that are completely illegal for any mere private citizen to own.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ every book has been rewritten ~ at May 01, 2022 10:49 PM (hOUT3)

Consequently, it is also a rule that our household has proper protection from said firepower at all times, whether at home or out and about. QED.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at May 01, 2022 10:50 PM (LOVUx)

187 Musks "Stop hitting on me" tweet slam to AOC was excellent but of course if it being mentioned by the MSM at all it is only to make Musk seem weird for making an odd comment. Of course they completely leave out the context of why that would be funny like they did with AOC's original idiocy about her critics just wanting to date her.

It was a great slam and even though the average LIV remains in a fog about it, AOC sure understood the insult.

Posted by: Ripley at May 01, 2022 10:51 PM (PTDkx)

188 What about butcher shops and little sausage shops that process deer etc. I don't think they've hit this part of the country.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 01, 2022 10:51 PM (8E/wP)

189 Good evenin' , Chique

Probably see you assuming I can get out of work early for the NoVA MoMe. I'll wave then hide behind something.

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 01, 2022 10:51 PM (sAmhv)

190 Consequently, it is also a rule that our household has proper protection from said firepower at all times, whether at home or out and about. QED.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at May 01, 2022 10:50 PM (LOVUx)

Types
*Thinks*
**Deletes**

A rational response...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ every book has been rewritten ~ at May 01, 2022 10:53 PM (hOUT3)

191 I am waiting for the connection between Trent Palmer and Trevor Jacob. Sounds like the license revocation of the former was bullshit, and the latter amply justified.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 01, 2022 10:53 PM (Q+k/j)

192 this is the most Huckabee talk since.....maybe ever?

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at May 01, 2022 10:53 PM (sJHOI)

193 I said this the other day, but it bears repeating:

The Democrats are acting like a toddler who saw that his favorite toy was being played with by someone else. So, when he got the toy back, he deliberately broke it so that no one else could ever play with it.

That explains all that we are seeing. The Democrats don't want to RUN the country, they want to RUIN it so no one can.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 01, 2022 10:54 PM (m0zqP)

194 Hello, Horde!

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - AoS Ladies' Brigade Plucky Comic Relief at May 01, 2022 10:54 PM (SRRAx)

195 I've asked people: What if you're the world's best counterfeiter. You produce counterfeits that are never detected. Would that be morally wrong?
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 01, 2022 10:30 PM (sWM8x)

Counterfeiting increases the volume of money in circulation without increasing the value in the world that it represents. Counterfeiting reduces the value in everyone's holdings and is a form of theft.
It is a crime when the individual does it, but it is morally wrong when anyone, including the Central banks, does it.

If the world's value is represented by a pocket full of dryer lint that is in your pocket, then you have a valuable pocket full of lint.
If your brother dries his clothes and winds up with the same amount of dryer lint, then your pocket is half as valuable as his, unless you can show that his is not valid or counterfeit. Barring that, he reduced by half your holding value by washing and drying his stupid skinny hipster jeans.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 01, 2022 10:54 PM (xhaym)

196 I am waiting for the connection between Trent Palmer and Trevor Jacob.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 01, 2022 10:53 PM (Q+k/j)

It turns out they were long lost twin brothers who were married to twin sisters.

Posted by: Robert at May 01, 2022 10:54 PM (iDIjK)

197 >>>I found a nickleback CD in Mrs B's car one time. It is forbidden.

>Jesus. I found a Kenny Chesney CD in my ex-girlfriend's truck. Bye.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 01, 2022 10:55 PM (LkM8p)

198 (cont)
So a couple pilots, red bull, and hulu somehow come up with an idea for a stunt called Plane Swap. Yes, it is what you think. Basically, there's this stunt that you may have seen, it's been done at least once, where you fly two planes up, put them in a controlled dive at roughly the same descent velocity as a human parachutists terminal velocity and one guy jumps out of one descending plane and maneuvers through the air over to dive into the other descending plane.

So Plane Swap is exactly stupid as you have guessed. Two pilots fly planes up then put them into a controlled descending dive then they both jump out of their planes cross and dive into the other plane. Well, they went up recently to perform this stunt and were 50% successful. One guy got in but the other didn't make it and just parachuted down instead. The unpiloted plane became a lawn dart. Well turns out they didn't get FAA permission. They actually very specifically told them "nope". And the proper permissions and documents none of that were done. So the FAA is going to come down real damn hard on everyone involved. Again YouTubers making the FAA very uncomfortable. (cont)

Posted by: banana Dream at May 01, 2022 10:55 PM (rWGyP)

199 BeckChas
Robert has been good for you, you are really laying it out there tonight!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ every book has been rewritten ~ at May 01, 2022 10:55 PM (hOUT3)

200 147 I've asked people: What if you're the world's best counterfeiter. You produce counterfeits that are never detected. Would that be morally wrong?
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 01, 2022 10:30 PM (sWM8x)

You mean like the US Mint does?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ every book has been rewritten ~ at May 01, 2022 10:31 PM (hOUT3)

It's the old question; when does a government lose whatever moral authority it may possess? Because there is certainly no moral duty to obey the rules of an immoral government; nobody worried about the morality of printing up reichsmarks in 1943.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 01, 2022 10:56 PM (r46W7)

201 BeckChas
Robert has been good for you,
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ every book has been rewritten ~ at May 01, 2022 10:55 PM (hOUT3)

Looks left
Looks right

Fidgets

Posted by: Robert at May 01, 2022 10:57 PM (iDIjK)

202 @199 - I am being bitten (in a "fun" way) on a daily basis. And he doesn't like to snuggle.

I am learning to live with diminished expectations.

Yay, me.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 01, 2022 10:57 PM (m0zqP)

203 There's no moral duty to obey an immoral law, however, just because it's immoral doesn't mean they won't bust you for it.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 01, 2022 10:58 PM (8E/wP)

204 6188 What about butcher shops and little sausage shops that process deer etc. I don't think they've hit this part of the country.
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The agents run the risk of being rendered.

Posted by: Ciampino at May 01, 2022 10:58 PM (qfLjt)

205 I was at Pearland Shooting Center, appx 2005, and the guys in the next pistol bay down were USDA swatties. I kept my distance, wrapped up my gear, and departed. Seeing the blue windbreakers with "USDA" across the back shoulders, I didn't know exactly what, but certainly sensed that something was wrong in Denmark.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 01, 2022 10:48 PM (QzJWU)

Must be a sweet gig. Good pay, benefits and retirement. Get to swagger around with a big gun on your hip. Haven't heard of many slaughter house shoot outs lately.

Posted by: Javems at May 01, 2022 11:00 PM (AmoqO)

206 It's the old question; when does a government lose whatever moral authority it may possess? Because there is certainly no moral duty to obey the rules of an immoral government; nobody worried about the morality of printing up reichsmarks in 1943.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 01, 2022 10:56 PM (r46W7)

I think the very concept of a government having a requirement to possess moral authority has been tossed in the dustbin of history; however, having multiple and diverse SWAT teams is still a requirement for serious governance!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ every book has been rewritten ~ at May 01, 2022 11:00 PM (hOUT3)

207 What about butcher shops and little sausage shops that process deer etc. I don't think they've hit this part of the country.

Satriale's Pork Store seemed to avoid any hoopla.

Posted by: Tonypete at May 01, 2022 11:01 PM (Msys3)

208 Ah, the Soprano's, that sausage shop always did good business.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 01, 2022 11:01 PM (8E/wP)

209 It's the old question; when does a government lose whatever moral authority it may possess?

When it separates church from state.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 01, 2022 11:01 PM (rqOkr)

210 If your brother dries his clothes and winds up with the same amount of dryer lint, then your pocket is half as valuable as his,

should be: half as valuable as [your pocketful of lint] WAS

Posted by: Kindltot at May 01, 2022 11:02 PM (xhaym)

211 201
Posted by: Robert at May 01, 2022 10:57 PM (iDIjK)

My apologies, more specificity was called for in that comment!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ every book has been rewritten ~ at May 01, 2022 11:02 PM (hOUT3)

212 (cont) So these two things happened recently. If you know anything about the ntsb/FAA they very quickly get all Fred Thompson, "Things are getting out of hand" and come down hard when they see a trend. So their action on Trent Palmer might be related to the other events since they were media video and pilot mishaps. I just thought it was interesting stuff aviation and regulation enforcement-related that isn't talked about very much.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 01, 2022 11:03 PM (rWGyP)

213 Posted by: Jim at May 01, 2022 10:48 PM (QzJWU)

Did Amaco have a big office around there. Seems I use to call on those guys back around 1985 or so.

Posted by: Javems at May 01, 2022 11:04 PM (AmoqO)

214 203 There's no moral duty to obey an immoral law, however, just because it's immoral doesn't mean they won't bust you for it.
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Certainly. It just seems different, in a moral sense, than committing other crimes. If I commit murder and get away with it, I'm still a murderer. If I produce that perfect counterfeit that's never detected, I'm hard-pressed to see how that's morally wrong.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 01, 2022 11:04 PM (sWM8x)

215 I think "Miss Information" is a good name for our new Minister of Truth Commissar.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at May 01, 2022 11:06 PM (ZEHVO)

216 I'm waiting for them to accuse the Babylon Bee of spreading misinformation.

Posted by: Ciampino at May 01, 2022 11:07 PM (qfLjt)

217 When it separates church from state.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 01, 2022 11:01 PM (rqOkr)

Or blindly accepts the proposition that all "religions" have the same (or very similar) set of core values...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ every book has been rewritten ~ at May 01, 2022 11:08 PM (hOUT3)

218 Evenin' folks. The ER put me on two antibiotics: Bactrim and Flagyl. One of the warning signs of Flagyl is that it is potentially carcinogenic. Yay.... I hope this one-week course of meds works.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 01, 2022 11:09 PM (KAi1n)

219 Bill pulled a woman's point tail and put his arm around a woman? The horror.

Last week they were trying to cancel Steve Martin and this week Bill Murray? They're not gonna stop until we all live in small, battle-ship gray cubes and stare at the wall all day.

Posted by: 29Victor at May 01, 2022 11:09 PM (BJKQV)

220 Amish trans-horses eat hay. Hay. HAY, hay, hay hay hay.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at May 01, 2022 11:10 PM (n/szn)

221 207 What about butcher shops and little sausage shops that process deer etc. I don't think they've hit this part of the country.
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There's a large Amish community nearby, and both local government and the Amish people go out of their way to maintain good relations with each other. Nobody tries to collect sales taxes on the produce that people sell from their front porches, for example. If an Amish teenager commits some minor offense, law enforcement will sometimes just let the Bishop handle it.

This has always seemed pretty enlightened to me.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 01, 2022 11:10 PM (sWM8x)

222 Good night good people.
Enjoy the ONT and be good to each other.
I am out for the night!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ every book has been rewritten ~ at May 01, 2022 11:10 PM (hOUT3)

223 My apologies, more specificity was called for in that comment!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ every book has been rewritten ~ at May 01, 2022 11:02 PM (hOUT3)

Heheh, I'm just messin' with you, my dude.

Posted by: Robert at May 01, 2022 11:10 PM (nCDmR)

224 Judd never read Hemmingway's biography. He too, killed himself after electroshock treatment.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at May 01, 2022 11:11 PM (n/szn)

225 >>> 202 @199 - I am being bitten (in a "fun" way) on a daily basis. And he doesn't like to snuggle.

I am learning to live with diminished expectations.

Yay, me.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 01, 2022 10:57 PM (m0zqP)

Some random ideas.... try to *ignore* the kitteh for much of the day (hard!), and try the slow-blink every once in a while. Robert may still be getting used to the idea that you are his permanent staff.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 01, 2022 11:11 PM (llON8)

226 Certainly. It just seems different, in a moral sense, than committing other crimes. If I commit murder and get away with it, I'm still a murderer. If I produce that perfect counterfeit that's never detected, I'm hard-pressed to see how that's morally wrong.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 01, 2022 11:04 PM (sWM8x)

To recap some of the thoughtful posts above; in an honest, properly managed system it's immoral because you are taking some value away from everyone, by diminishing the value of everyone's money by surreptitiously inflating the money supply.

However, in a system where the government is pumping out billions of new dollars every day just to pay off it's political allies, then no counterfeiter is capable of producing enough to even be measured. So, it becomes a victimless crime where the only worry is not getting caught.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 01, 2022 11:12 PM (r46W7)

227 They're not gonna stop until we all live in small, battle-ship gray cubes and stare at the wall all day.
Posted by: 29Victor at May 01, 2022 11:09 PM (BJKQV)

Live in little gray boxes?

*Looks about*

Posted by: Robert at May 01, 2022 11:12 PM (nCDmR)

228 Second, if you don't use an intermediary for your wallet and transfers, data about your Bitcoin holdings and transactions are impervious to government inquiry.

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except when they ask you on the tax return

Posted by: runner at May 01, 2022 11:12 PM (V13WU)

229 ..Did Amaco have a big office around there. Seems I use to call on those guys back around 1985 or so. Posted by: Javems at May 01, 2022 11:04 PM (AmoqO)

I honestly don't recall. And the area has grown so rapidly now, that I hardly recognize the roads there, now.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 01, 2022 11:13 PM (QzJWU)

230 If I produce that perfect counterfeit that's never detected, I'm hard-pressed to see how that's morally wrong.

Theft by inflation, same way congress does it, but at a smaller scale. Assuming it's literally never detected.

At some point if it were detected, you've stolen from whoever is stuck holding it, which could be worse than theft if they're criminally prosecuted for trying to use it.

Posted by: Methos at May 01, 2022 11:13 PM (kOpft)

231 Enjoy the ONT and be good to each other.

==

You are not the boss of me !

Posted by: runner at May 01, 2022 11:13 PM (V13WU)

232 Posted by: Tom Servo at May 01, 2022 11:12 PM (r46W7)
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I guess that's how I see it.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 01, 2022 11:14 PM (sWM8x)

233 Good night good people.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ every bo

And what about us?

Posted by: Degenerate Scumbag Assholes at May 01, 2022 11:14 PM (nCDmR)

234 Or blindly accepts the proposition that all "religions" have the same (or very similar) set of core values...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ every book has been rewritten ~ at May 01, 2022 11:08 PM (hOUT3)

True.

Morality is an interesting concept. What is it and where do you get it from?

If it's not objective, universal and from a higher unchanging authority, it's relativist and individualist.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 01, 2022 11:15 PM (rqOkr)

235 The Pirro debt not worse than what was reported. The report said she owed 600,000 in unpaid bills which is correct. Total owed is 854k less her 265k loan is just under 600k .

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 01, 2022 11:15 PM (LG5dc)

236 >>> I'm waiting for them to accuse the Babylon Bee of spreading misinformation.
Posted by: Ciampino at May 01, 2022 11:07 PM (qfLjt)

You have many negative numbers of days to wait for that.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 01, 2022 11:17 PM (0fVbu)

237 Off to bed I go. Tired. You all be good.

https://youtu.be/Cnchea6LHN0

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 01, 2022 11:18 PM (sAmhv)

238 Niters Puddlegum and Hrothgar.

Posted by: SMH that God hasn't lobbed a Texas-sized asteroid at us yet at May 01, 2022 11:18 PM (lbaVV)

239 Late thank you to WDS for hosting the Colorado Morondezous on Saturday. And to all the generous folks who donated items for the door prizes. I got one of Jewell's lovely bracelets. WITH the AoS logo, SCORE. SiD was the winner of the cutting board crafted by Blake.

Posted by: PaleRider, Simple Irredeemable at May 01, 2022 11:19 PM (3cGpq)

240 221. The Amish dark side is all the pederastry and incest that is only 'handled' by the Bishop

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at May 01, 2022 11:20 PM (n/szn)

241 well its springtime in east texas, so I just saw a big roach running across the floor in our greatroom. When I catch them running like that I always hear that loony tunes high piano keys scampering sound.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 01, 2022 11:21 PM (r46W7)

242 I honestly don't recall. And the area has grown so rapidly now, that I hardly recognize the roads there, now.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 01, 2022 11:13 PM (QzJWU)

I think probably so. I recall doing work in a "Hastings" field and that name seems to be prominent around Pearland.

Yep, just looked up Hastings and I did a bunch of artificial lift for them.

Thanks

Posted by: Javems at May 01, 2022 11:21 PM (AmoqO)

243 It isn't surprising to see who is aligning themselves for or against non-fiat currencies. The world is becoming boringly predictable.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 01, 2022 11:21 PM (0fVbu)

244 218 Evenin' folks. The ER put me on two antibiotics: Bactrim and Flagyl. One of the warning signs of Flagyl is that it is potentially carcinogenic. Yay.... I hope this one-week course of meds works.
Posted by: SFGoth at May 01, 2022 11:09 PM (KAi1n)

You will be shitting water out yer ass. Be warned. Buy the probiotic. Take it religiously.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at May 01, 2022 11:22 PM (LOVUx)

245 Padraig Belton

Who names their kid Padraig?

It's not even a name in India or Pakistan or any other foreign, sweaty place.

Fucking "Padraig".

Posted by: Sharkman at May 01, 2022 11:22 PM (8gxrg)

246 240 221. The Amish dark side is all the pederastry and incest that is only 'handled' by the Bishop
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at May 01, 2022 11:20 PM (n/szn)
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I'm sure that happens too, but I was trying to comment on what I've seen. It seems there's always some sort of dark side with separatist groups.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 01, 2022 11:22 PM (sWM8x)

247 If it's not objective, universal and from a higher unchanging authority, it's relativist and individualist.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger

Objective, universal and from a *perceived* higher unchanging authority. One could take those same moral precepts and assert that they are simply the best for reasons intrinsic to the potential of humanity.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 01, 2022 11:22 PM (KAi1n)

248 It isn't surprising to see who is aligning themselves for or against non-fiat currencies. The world is becoming boringly predictable.
Posted by: banana Dream
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Evil generally is boring.

Posted by: SMH that God hasn't lobbed a Texas-sized asteroid at us yet at May 01, 2022 11:23 PM (lbaVV)

249 230 If I produce that perfect counterfeit that's never detected, I'm hard-pressed to see how that's morally wrong.

Theft by inflation, same way congress does it, but at a smaller scale. Assuming it's literally never detected.

At some point if it were detected, you've stolen from whoever is stuck holding it, which could be worse than theft if they're criminally prosecuted for trying to use it.
Posted by: Methos at May 01, 2022 11:13 PM (kOpft)

Banks create 'currency' all the time through fractional lending, and its 'legal'.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 01, 2022 11:23 PM (oHd/0)

250 Look but don't touch.

Posted by: Braenyard

Zombie Neil Armstrong would have waived off from that pockmarked field of whoa of a face of hers.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 01, 2022 11:24 PM (8gxrg)

251
Re counterfeiting. There are some very interesting and complex court cases over the years involving what is "money" and what the US govt can say and do about it.

This is gets complex, but coin and paper money (that Federal Reserve creates and destroys) are two very different things legally. Coin is, always was and always must be direct Treasury currency (things like the old Old US Note, which are still legal tender and a small amount is still out there are also direct Treasury currency).

Here's the funny thing. The courts have ruled that created coin of any kind, anything you might create that would be considered coin is illegal, and only the US govt can do that.

Now, paper money. We are all free to create our paper money. Call it scrip. We could create Horde bucks to our heart's content and trade with it. No problem.

However, if we try to put something on it that implies it is somehow US govt. authorized paper money, then we're in trouble with the law.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 01, 2022 11:25 PM (Mzdiz)

252 One could take those same moral precepts and assert that they are simply the best for reasons intrinsic to the potential of humanity.
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CS Lewis held that no particular religious beliefs are required for a basic sense of morality. I guess I've always believed that, but the wokesters present a challenge. They seem completely blind to any moral sense. Why that is, I don't know.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 01, 2022 11:26 PM (sWM8x)

253 Now, paper money. We are all free to create our paper money. Call it scrip. We could create Horde bucks to our heart's content and trade with it. No problem.
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Good point. I had completely forgotten about that.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 01, 2022 11:28 PM (sWM8x)

254 So the gun thread has snub-nose revolvers, biathlon, and even cigar comments, and I miss it. Figures.

Diogenes, if you're here, check out the Dunbarton Tobacco website descriptions of the four Stillwell Star variations before buying (Famous Smoke has a sampler of all four if you want to try them all). For that price make sure you're getting something in your taste lane.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 01, 2022 11:29 PM (OTzUX)

255 Now, paper money. We are all free to create our paper money. Call it scrip. We could create Horde bucks to our heart's content and trade with it. No problem.

However, if we try to put something on it that implies it is somehow US govt. authorized paper money, then we're in trouble with the law.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 01, 2022 11:25 PM (Mzdiz)

On a point of trivia, private scrip was still used widely in places up until the 30's, but I thought FDR passed some rules banning the practice for actual goods and services.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 01, 2022 11:29 PM (r46W7)

256 Wouldn't put a penny into it but if someone gave me some I would certainly take it.

And exchange it for cash, quick

Posted by: Braenyard

Some Chinese chick (probably a ChiCom Army Intel Goon) was arguing with me about BitCoin on WhatsApp once. She's a millionaire because her Daddy gave her 5 million US to trade in it and she's made money. "You are ignorant and know nothing about it!!" he/she shouted at me.

So I went and looked it up. "What is a BitCoin?", I queried. After reading for an hour, I determined that a "BitCoin" is an "award" given for successfully data-mining something utterly incomprehensible on something also utterly incomprehensible.

It's literally NOTHING. Which, when I reflected, I realized is exactly what MONEY is: Something that is NOTHING that everyone agrees is MONEY. So, I'll never buy it, but I understand why people do.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 01, 2022 11:30 PM (8gxrg)

257
Padraig Belton
Who names their kid Padraig?

Somebody on Star Trek.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 01, 2022 11:30 PM (63Dwl)

258 251: Interesting Publius. Of course scrip WOULD get the attention of the Infernal Revenue Service who would then examine the entire group using that scrip in great detail to make sure they are reporting equivalent U.S. dollar values for every transaction they are making and not trying to 'cheat' the greedy government parasites.

Posted by: PaleRider, Simple Irredeemable at May 01, 2022 11:30 PM (3cGpq)

259 I will gladly scrip you on Tuesday for hamburger to-day!

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 01, 2022 11:32 PM (sWM8x)

260 Twenny Ace Bucks, same as in town!

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at May 01, 2022 11:32 PM (n/szn)

261 Watching Sharknado, with fond memories of the liveblog here.

Covid is largely over, except the fatigue.

DAMN fine movie here.

Posted by: Piercello at May 01, 2022 11:32 PM (ajoh7)

262 One could take those same moral precepts and assert that they are simply the best for reasons intrinsic to the potential of humanity.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 01, 2022 11:22 PM (KAi1n)

What is the intrinsic potential of humanity?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 01, 2022 11:32 PM (rqOkr)

263 RIP Naomi, you were a cutie pie.

Posted by: Braenyard

Damn shame she couldn't hold off killing herself until AFTER she and the other J*ggs picked up their award at the Country Music thing today.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 01, 2022 11:32 PM (8gxrg)

264 Army had script in overseas locations. MPC In think it was called Military Payment Certificates.

Posted by: Javems at May 01, 2022 11:33 PM (AmoqO)

265 >> but I thought FDR passed some rules banning the practice for actual goods

He may have, or tried, but it may not have been upheld or overturned or something. If interested, you can find all the details, though it will take a while.

And yes, taxes are due in any income from scrip, or barter, or whatever. Payable in dollars, of course.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 01, 2022 11:33 PM (Mzdiz)

266 I'm sure that happens too, but I was trying to comment on what I've seen. It seems there's always some sort of dark side with separatist groups.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 01, 2022 11:22 PM (sWM8x)

Theres a dark side throughout all of humanity so that makes sense.

Posted by: LASue at May 01, 2022 11:33 PM (Ed8Zd)

267 what I distrust most about Bitcoin; where does it go when your electricity goes off, and your cell phone service deactivates?

Everyone who believes in Bitcoin says "aww, things like that could never happen, that's just crazy talk."

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 01, 2022 11:34 PM (r46W7)

268 The people behind Obama are the people behind the new MiniTrue. I think they are also behind Tulsi, setting her up as their new front.

Posted by: davidt

The Bee headline on Friday was that Hunter Biden was appointed to the Board of MiniTru for $50K per month.

That was pretty funny.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 01, 2022 11:34 PM (8gxrg)

269 One of the bits of swag the mullahs scored in 1979 was some part of the unique (and closely held) money printing machinery that the US had shared with the Shah (along with F-14s, and other "no export" items). Not the paper, I think, but they were able to make very good fake $20 bills.

In the 1990s, in the Caucasus region (bordering Iran), obvious gaijin Americans fresh off the torturous Air Armenia flight from Paris in the dilapidated Aeroflot bucket had their (brand new, from the bank) paper currency subjected to all kinds of bogus tests by locals. Such was the fear of counterfeit US bills. That was amusing.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 01, 2022 11:35 PM (OTzUX)

270 Who names their kid Padraig?

It's not even a name in India or Pakistan or any other foreign, sweaty place.

Fucking "Padraig".
Posted by: Sharkman at May 01, 2022 11:22 PM (8gxrg)

Sounds Irish.

Posted by: Robert at May 01, 2022 11:37 PM (6Way2)

271 What is the intrinsic potential of humanity?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger

Dunno. Whatever it is that justifies the same morality as would come from "on high", to paraphrase you. One can embrace the same moral principles espoused by Judaism or Christianity (other than religion-specific like keeping the Sabbath holy) without being an adherent of the religion.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 01, 2022 11:37 PM (KAi1n)

272
Damn shame she couldn't hold off killing herself until AFTER she and the other J*ggs picked up their award at the Country Music thing today.
Posted by: Sharkman at May 01, 2022 11:32 PM (8gxrg)

Given the timing, it's not too difficult to theorize that fear of the pressure of making that public appearance is what pushed her into getting out of it in the worst possible way. It wasn't rational, but people in the throes of clinical depression never are.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 01, 2022 11:37 PM (r46W7)

273 Fucking "Padraig".
Posted by: Sharkman at May 01, 2022 11:22 PM (8gxrg)

Sounds Irish.

Posted by: Robert at May 01, 2022 11:37 PM (6Way2)

'I knew a Padraig once. He was Irish. Can't recall his last name right now.

Posted by: Javems at May 01, 2022 11:40 PM (AmoqO)

274
I just got interested an looked it up. The amount of direct Treasury currency outstanding is only $51B, which is a tiny fraction of the total money supply. This includes all coin, plus the tiny amount of US notes and some others still in circulation (probably being held in private hands as collectors' items).

This includes some gold and silver notes still out there. They are no longer redeemable, but they are still legal tender, and considered direct Treasury currency.

The Federal Reserve holds about $1.3B in coin on its balance sheet. It is an asset. This is how the Fed puts coin in the banking system primarily, handling bank demand (there are others way to put coin in the system, however).

Fed orders so much coin from the Treasury. It takes it, puts it on its asset side, then creates the nominal value in digi-dollars in the US Treasury's "checking account" at the Fed.

When banks need coin from the Fed, the Fed gives them the coin to put in their vault and debits that banks own digi-reserve account at the Fed. Or they could pay it with vault physical cash.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 01, 2022 11:41 PM (Mzdiz)

275 This is old, but it came up in my YT feed and I laughed my butt off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3VLqLLWxbQ

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 01, 2022 11:41 PM (sWM8x)

276 Well, bed time.

Posted by: Javems at May 01, 2022 11:42 PM (AmoqO)

277 I once won a Nickelback CD in a raffle. It was the first CD I ever owned. I still have it, but I have never played it.

Posted by: Theodore at May 01, 2022 11:43 PM (GJnvT)

278 Fucking "Padraig".

The fucking Padraigs are the worst ones. All the Padraigness plus the fucking.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 01, 2022 11:43 PM (KFhLj)

279 Banks create 'currency' all the time through fractional lending, and its 'legal'.

Yes. That's another good example.

Posted by: Methos at May 01, 2022 11:44 PM (kOpft)

280 Evening, Hordelings.

Best tornado footage I've ever seen. PJ Media link.

https://tinyurl.com/4tx65pku

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 01, 2022 11:44 PM (OssQ4)

281 236 >>> I'm waiting for them to accuse the Babylon Bee of spreading misinformation.
Posted by: Ciampino at May 01, 2022 11:07 PM (qfLjt)

You have many negative numbers of days to wait for that.
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Badly put. I know they have one that already, but I meant the new Office for Disinformation, also could be called the Den of Liars.

Posted by: Ciampino at May 01, 2022 11:44 PM (qfLjt)

282 Sunday Swimwear ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/media

*scroll down

Posted by: kbdabear at May 01, 2022 11:44 PM (qAR6u)

283

Update: 25-28 August 2022, Las Vegas.

I have tentatively scheduled to be there. Last year, it was just Hat and me. This time ...? Additionally, the Star Trek 56-Year Mission convention is at Bally’s Las Vegas, on The Strip, so I will be there most of the time. Right now, hotel rates on Travelocity look to be cheap; lots of ~$50/night listings.

If anyone is interested, a response on the AOS Group might be a good plan.

Posted by: Arbalest at May 01, 2022 11:45 PM (FlRtG)

284 Evenin' folks. The ER put me on two antibiotics: Bactrim and Flagyl. One of the warning signs of Flagyl is that it is potentially carcinogenic. Yay.... I hope this one-week course of meds works.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 01, 2022 11:09 PM (KAi1n)

Do yourself a favor and eat lots of fruit, active yogurt, and vegetable fiber and try a course of probiotics for a while after you go off the antibiotics. It won't hurt and it might help.
I am doing floristor and a Lactobacillus combo that includes L. Reuteri because of lingering gut issues that I think came from a course of Zpac a couple years ago.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 01, 2022 11:46 PM (xhaym)

285 I watched The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. I cried. That movie always makes me cry.

Posted by: Archer at May 01, 2022 11:47 PM (EbVxB)

286 Dunno. Whatever it is that justifies the same morality as would come from "on high", to paraphrase you. One can embrace the same moral principles espoused by Judaism or Christianity (other than religion-specific like keeping the Sabbath holy) without being an adherent of the religion.
Posted by: SFGoth at May 01, 2022 11:37 PM (KAi1n)

Men such as Thomas Jefferson claimed a belief in "Deism" which (if I understand correctly) was a belief in one God and certain basic moral rules, without accepting the dogma of any particular organized religion.

I believe a government which faithfully followed Buddhist precepts (for example) would generally be in accordance with those that would be followed by any government following Judeo-Christian values.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 01, 2022 11:47 PM (r46W7)

287 It wasn't rational, but people in the throes of clinical depression never are.

Posted by: Tom Servo

Knowing her daughters, especially Ashley, they were probably hounding the shit out of her to be there, and she just wanted to stay home and be left alone.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 01, 2022 11:49 PM (8gxrg)

288 The YouTube video at the bottom of the article has the compete set of drone footage. Amazing and terrifying.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 01, 2022 11:51 PM (OssQ4)

289 Banks create 'currency' all the time through fractional lending, and its 'legal'.

Yes. That's another good example.

Posted by: Methos

My daughter asked me why a check I deposited in the bank wasn't available immediately. I told her "they have to clone it and that takes awhile." I thought it was funny but neither she nor the teller got it.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 01, 2022 11:51 PM (8gxrg)

290
Best tornado footage I've ever seen. PJ Media link.

https://tinyurl.com/4tx65pku
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 01, 2022 11:44 PM (OssQ4)

that's astounding footage, you can see entire houses being sucked up into the sky, one after the other.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 01, 2022 11:51 PM (r46W7)

291 Best tornado footage I've ever seen. PJ Media link.
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I had dinner with my parents last night and my mother commented on the fact that it's been eleven years since a tornado destroyed their house. This kind of destruction has lots of unanticipated effects. I thought she had adjusted to it like a trooper, but lately its been on her mind a lot again.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 01, 2022 11:54 PM (sWM8x)

292 I always thought that Padraig was equivalent to Patrick.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - AoS Ladies' Brigade Plucky Comic Relief at May 01, 2022 11:54 PM (SRRAx)

293 Alright, back to watching "Flight" with Denzel Washington.

Outstanding movie.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 01, 2022 11:54 PM (8gxrg)

294 Wasn't Padraig one of the three wise men along with meshaig and Bendigo?

Posted by: Theodore at May 01, 2022 11:55 PM (GJnvT)

295 They seem completely blind to any moral sense. Why that is, I don't know.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 01, 2022 11:26 PM (sWM8x)

Because they are post-modernists.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 01, 2022 11:55 PM (rqOkr)

296 273, my guess is they all are. The guy I knew about played a bit of golf. I have heard of some try to be authentic while saying the name. My guess is few native speakers care.

Posted by: Quint at May 01, 2022 11:56 PM (bNcG+)

297 Knowing her daughters, especially Ashley, they were probably hounding the shit out of her to be there, and she just wanted to stay home and be left alone.
Posted by: Sharkman

Hate to say it but she probably knows the demonic, dark side of the industry and couldn't take it anymore. You don't make it in that industry without selling your soul. You're not even allowed in the door, let alone on an awards show stage, without buying that ticket. Country is no different in this regard than pop, rap, and R&B, today. Same as TV and movies.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 01, 2022 11:59 PM (OssQ4)

298 295 They seem completely blind to any moral sense. Why that is, I don't know.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 01, 2022 11:26 PM (sWM8x)

Because they are post-modernists.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 01, 2022 11:55 PM (rqOkr)
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That could be the answer. I remember when post-modernism was covered in college and it had no effect on me because it all just seemed ridiculous. My orientation might be a lot different if it had been pounded into me since elementary school.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 02, 2022 12:03 AM (sWM8x)

299 Padrig Harrington

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 02, 2022 12:05 AM (LG5dc)

300
Checking account (and other account) "money" are nothing but liabilities of the banks. An IOU from the bank.

With fractional reserve lending, they create more IOUs than cash to cover. That practice has been going on for a long time, of course, way back into the first banking systems created.

When you do withdraw physical cash, then they have to cover it with physical cash.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 12:05 AM (Mzdiz)

301
As it is now, when transactions are electronic, with plastic, debit cards, and direct electronic transfers, all that is changing hands is banking system IOUs. That is trading as currency.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 12:08 AM (Mzdiz)

302 What is crypto currency backed with? It's video game money . But like paintings it's worth what people will pay for it.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 02, 2022 12:10 AM (LG5dc)

303 AHhhhh, what a week. All I can speak to is that screen shot of some Putin Min. of Defense/State glumly stating that "Nuclear War is a probability" like...so bland about the possibility? Like...Oh well MAD? He then went out for a Value-Rite Shot and some cabbage soup...probably Borscht who knows...but SERIOUSLY???

Posted by: Nightwatch at May 02, 2022 12:13 AM (J00IM)

304 303 AHhhhh, what a week. All I can speak to is that screen shot of some Putin Min. of Defense/State glumly stating that "Nuclear War is a probability" like...so bland about the possibility? Like...Oh well MAD? He then went out for a Value-Rite Shot and some cabbage soup...probably Borscht who knows...but SERIOUSLY???
Posted by: Nightwatch at May 02, 2022 12:13 AM (J00IM)

now I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed....

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 02, 2022 12:18 AM (r46W7)

305 AHhhhh, what a week. All I can speak to is that screen shot of some Putin Min. of Defense/State glumly stating that "Nuclear War is a probability" like...so bland about the possibility? Like...Oh well MAD? He then went out for a Value-Rite Shot and some cabbage soup...probably Borscht who knows...but SERIOUSLY???

Don't forget that during the 2016 campaign Hitlery was talking up war with Russia, so they've had a long time to become resigned to this.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at May 02, 2022 12:19 AM (SchxB)

306 I ran Psaki's comments through Paco's Patented Mendacimeter, and it began making a noise like a submarine klaxon. So, yeah, she's lying.

Posted by: Paco at May 02, 2022 12:22 AM (njExo)

307 302 my guess is it won't end well. Many have questioned the value of gold. Talk about a fools errand, that is trying to refute all of human history. Next, try to explain why an umbrella doesn't work against the sun.

Posted by: Quint at May 02, 2022 12:23 AM (bNcG+)

308 Russia Threatens to Nuke Britain, France, and Germany

https://tinyurl.com/4tk8tmn2

Posted by: SMH that God hasn't lobbed a Texas-sized asteroid at us yet at May 02, 2022 12:25 AM (lbaVV)

309 Ive been looking for some used house jacks for a 'small' project..but seems people are asking $$$ because its old, and likely been sitting unused for decades

Posted by: a dude in MI at May 02, 2022 12:26 AM (+I6Y/)

310 With all of the fiscal jiggery pokery out there, there are three metals of worth:

Gold, Silver and Ammunition.

Stock 'em all, and stock 'em deep. (gold is a great placemark of wealth, but a lousy currency. silver is a solid value, and a more useful currency. ammo speaks for itself, both literally and figuratively.)

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 02, 2022 12:26 AM (QzJWU)

311 All I can speak to is that screen shot of some Putin Min. of Defense/State glumly stating that "Nuclear War is a probability"

Russia is just saying that if it's okay to fire NATO missiles (even if it's "Ukraine" doing the firing) into Russia to hurt their supply lines, then it's okay for Russia to shot missiles into the countries where Ukraine's supplies are coming from, but with their usual subtlety.

Aside from the immediate escalation to nuclear part, it's entirely reasonable, which is why some of us have been warning to get our collective nose out of that mess for months.

Posted by: Methos at May 02, 2022 12:26 AM (kOpft)

312 Nuclear war a probability - good thing the adults are in charge!

Also saw an article on yahoo about some US citizens gettin their SOF on.. it's not a video game guys

Posted by: a dude in MI at May 02, 2022 12:29 AM (+I6Y/)

313
Unbelievable footage of tornadoes ripping through Kansas:

https://tinyurl.com/y277qfqb

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 12:29 AM (Mzdiz)

314 Aside from the immediate escalation to nuclear part, it's entirely reasonable, which is why some of us have been warning to get our collective nose out of that mess for months.
Posted by: Methos at May 02, 2022 12:26 AM (kOpft)

From a strictly and harshly logical view (and I'm not saying I support this idea), either get out or launch a massive first strike directed at every Russian military installation and missile base, and hope you get it all. That's always been the logic of Nuclear War; whoever does the full first strike wins.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 02, 2022 12:31 AM (r46W7)

315 102. Speaking of Arkansas idiots, current Gov. Asa Hutchinson opened his facehole today to criticize DeSantis for punishing Disney, because literally "muh principles." Also, he's thinking of running for President, for some reason. - Dr. T

Asa Hutchinson? Running for President? Surely, not of the United States! Little Rock Chapter of the Mitt Romney Fan Club, perhaps.

Posted by: Paco at May 02, 2022 12:40 AM (njExo)

316 Starting a nuclear war protecting a corrupt country would take over shutting the world down because of Covid as the stupidest move by man since the beginning of civilization.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 02, 2022 12:41 AM (LG5dc)

317 I just welcomed my 1st Granddaughter into my life 6 weeks ago...her name is Alice...she is...well, as any new Grandpa would state, " a most beautiful, precious, glorious little baby.

This is why we live for these moments. Wish I could send my horde a picture.

Wish the world did not suck so hard at this moment.

Posted by: Nightwatch at May 02, 2022 12:46 AM (J00IM)

318 > You have produced nothing of enduring value.

Neither have the guys at Treasury and the Fed who push a few buttons and now there are 150 simulated pieces of green paper where there were only 100 before.

> I think college loans should follow the rules laid out by Goodfellas.

Cool. Now apply the same rules to VA/FHA loans, SBA loans, USDA loans...

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 02, 2022 12:51 AM (bW8dp)

319 Well, time for me to head off to bed. Night, Horde.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 02, 2022 12:52 AM (x9zyj)

320 What is crypto currency backed with? It's video game money . But like paintings it's worth what people will pay for it. Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 02, 2022 12:10 AM (LG5dc)

money itself does not have to have intrinsic value, it needs to be accepted widely as an intermediary to transfer value from one person to another in exchange for goods and services. In general it allows a buyer to place exclusive claim of ownership or rights over something with the person relinquishing guaranteed to have something he values greater with additional guarantee that it is exclusive to him.

five cows for your daughter, five talents of myrrh for your barge, 2/8ths of an ounce of silver for a hair-cut, $20 for a plate of fajitas. It differs from direct barter because of its universality: if you trade turnips for hauling you got turnips, but if you trade coins for hauling you can get a lot of things, and maybe some now and some later instead of all the turnips you have to eat before they mildew.
Money is a social thing, not a physical thing, it exists only because people find it useful and they trust it will remain useful as long as then need to use it.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 02, 2022 12:53 AM (xhaym)

321 DAMN fine movie here.
Posted by: Piercello at May 01, 2022 11:32 PM (ajoh7)

Howdy, Piercello! It's been awhile. How are your philosophical musings coming along?

Posted by: Emmie at May 02, 2022 12:54 AM (6RgRK)

322 It will be interesting to see how many people with over-large government-guaranteed home loans will stick with the "you borrowed the money, too bad" line when the housing market collapses (which it is set to do when the interest rates jack up) and they're underwater.

Fortunately for them, they can get away with walking away from the loan by filing bankruptcy, unlike the student loan borrowers.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 02, 2022 12:54 AM (bW8dp)

323 I'd vote for Asa Buchanan before I voted for Asa Hutchinson.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 02, 2022 12:55 AM (KAi1n)

324 Mike Huckabee is a useless scrunt. He's about as relevant as Mittels Rombley when it comes to non-Liberal Americans.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 02, 2022 12:57 AM (gHu/0)

325 Posted by: Kindltot at May 02, 2022 12:53 AM (xhaym)

Money is backed by the country issuing it.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 02, 2022 12:58 AM (atBm9)

326 re: Russian troops stealing?

Berlin would like a word ja?

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 02, 2022 12:58 AM (gHu/0)

327 Tonight on Fuckabee: a photo essay examining the decrepitude of my old man balls!

Posted by: Fuckabee at May 02, 2022 01:02 AM (KFhLj)

328 Didn't bother to click but ran across a headline about "Russians using rape in the Ukraine."

My reaction was, "so? If you are shocked then you are a farking idiot."

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 02, 2022 01:04 AM (gHu/0)

329 Posted by: Nightwatch at May 02, 2022 12:46

Congrats Nightwatch. Just love her and guide her. Don't worry about the rest of the world, it's always going to look insane.

Things may work out despite what it looks like today. Say Hi to Alice from the Morons!

Posted by: Farmer at May 02, 2022 01:04 AM (55Qr6)

330 Can we ask Alice when she's six feet tall?

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 02, 2022 01:05 AM (gHu/0)

331 So wrinkly, the hairs plentiful and grey. Like exploring the surface of the moon with your tongue!

Posted by: Fuckabee at May 02, 2022 01:05 AM (KFhLj)

332 The last time these sad, elderly sacks produced serious baby batter: the 1992 Republican convention!

Posted by: Fuckabee at May 02, 2022 01:07 AM (KFhLj)

333 4 inches of Republican fury!

Posted by: Fuckabee at May 02, 2022 01:08 AM (KFhLj)

334 So the 'adults' think they can keep gaming the system and calling the shots, failing to realize others want to call the shots. Or in this case a nuclear launch.

Maybe should read Pulling Through again because it seems we are destined for a 'limited' nuclear war that turns London, Moscow, and DC into glowing glass puddles.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 02, 2022 01:11 AM (gHu/0)

335 I'm Mike Fuckabee and I suck cock by choice!

Posted by: Fuckabee at May 02, 2022 01:11 AM (KFhLj)

336 Fuckabee, Fuckabee, Fuckabee!

Posted by: Marsha at May 02, 2022 01:13 AM (KFhLj)

337 Can we ask Alice when she's six feet tall?
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 02, 2022 01:05

Well since she's a newborn it might be a while. Dang it now I want to play Jefferson Airplane.

Posted by: Farmer at May 02, 2022 01:15 AM (55Qr6)

338 This ONT is deader than a black kid at Ed Buck's house.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 02, 2022 01:16 AM (KFhLj)

339 The difference between Jefferson Airplane and Jefferson Starship?

About a kilo of coke.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 02, 2022 01:17 AM (QzJWU)

340 Think positive, at least no Iron Butterfly.

Not sure if it is that dead but as Miracle Max says 'mostly dead.'

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 02, 2022 01:18 AM (gHu/0)

341 Money is backed by the country issuing it.

That's doesn't actually mean anything.

Posted by: Methos at May 02, 2022 01:19 AM (kOpft)

342 But did they really build this city on Rock-n-Roll? Or did they just lose the beat?

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 02, 2022 01:19 AM (gHu/0)

343 322 It will be interesting to see how many people with over-large government-guaranteed home loans will stick with the "you borrowed the money, too bad" line when the housing market collapses (which it is set to do when the interest rates jack up) and they're underwater.

Fortunately for them, they can get away with walking away from the loan by filing bankruptcy, unlike the student loan borrowers.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 02, 2022 12:54 AM (bW8dp)

When did people decide they should be able to live like rich folk without any real money? Fuck 'em all. You pays the money and you takes your chance. Spend beyond your means, and you will come up empty.

True of homes, true of educations, true of just about every damned thing. Does it hurt? Hell yes. Should it? Hell yes. No pain, no learning from the experience to NOT DO THAT AGAIN, YOU IDIOT.

'nuff yellin.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at May 02, 2022 01:20 AM (LOVUx)

344 This is why we live for these moments. Wish I could send my horde a picture.

Wish the world did not suck so hard at this moment.

Posted by: Nightwatch at May 02, 2022 12:46 AM (J00IM)

Right now, with baby Alice in tow, the world does not suck, at all.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at May 02, 2022 01:21 AM (LOVUx)

345 "The difference between Jefferson Airplane and Jefferson Starship?

About a kilo of coke."

Psychedelics > coke every single effing time.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 02, 2022 01:22 AM (KAi1n)

346 I've never interacted with anyone on coke who I did not want to punch until they stopped moving.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 02, 2022 01:25 AM (KFhLj)

347 Wish the world did not suck so hard at this moment.

Posted by: Nightwatch

Congrats NW. Part of Grandpa duty is to make that little person's life suck a little less, at least for awhile. Live large in their eyes and leave lasting memories. It's a blast.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at May 02, 2022 01:27 AM (Yk18t)

348 Gold is money, there's no getting around that.

Aristotle described the basic attributes. Keep in mind currency isn't really money. It's ironic therefore, anybody is talking about why counterfeiting paper is "immoral".

It's already immoral, but at the end of the day, the issue is "Don't try this at home" or "It's OK when we do it."

Without getting off into the weeds about "intrinsic" value, keep in mind governments actually outlawed an element on the periodic table. They confiscated it. They said people were "hoarding" it, and then stole it from the American people, and put it all in one place, and wouldn't let anybody else use it.

Funny, that. Now what we are talking about is the unit of account Without an objective standard, then money eventually becomes completely unworkable. Like .... what we have now. It doesn't necessarily have to be gold, but there has to be an objective standard.

There are standards for everything. The meter, the kilogram, units of time, distance, weight, temperature, everything. Though not money,

There's a reason for that.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2022 01:32 AM (jJVsK)

349 There was a guy a while back, who could freehand US notes. They were quite good is my understanding. He was able to skirt around counterfeiting laws, because he never tried to pass them as US currency. He'd eat at a diner or something, and then show the waitress his "artwork" and see if she would accept it in lieu of genuine US currency. Sometimes it worked. I guess they are collectable or something.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2022 01:36 AM (jJVsK)

350 Goodnight.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker.

What kind of insomniac are you ?

Posted by: JT at May 02, 2022 01:42 AM (arJlL)

351
I was just looking up some info re scrip. In 1938, federal law made it illegal to pay wages in scrip. That is still on the books, and was upheld. Scrip is legal, but you couldn't pay wages in it.

And yep, making any kind of "coin" is flat-out illegal. I mean anything, basically. Now, how do these places that uses "tokens" (theme parks, I remember, and others) get around the law? Well, it's somehow they they're not being used or considered "coin money".

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 01:46 AM (Mzdiz)

352 If you need cash now in any city, having gold is your best play. Anything else and you have to con the guy.

Anyone in trouble never wished they could trade their gold for another asset.

Posted by: Quint at May 02, 2022 01:46 AM (bNcG+)

353
Found this. Statement of the US Mint on regulations of metallic tokens:

https://tinyurl.com/y29pepns

They are allowed, if the US Mint gives their approval. And there are restrictions on diameter and stuff like that.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 01:49 AM (Mzdiz)

354 Silver is good stuff. But if you have any significant wealth, It's way, way, too heavy and bulky.

Gold is absolutely amazingly compact for its wealth concentration. If you need to get the hell out of Dodge, leave the AO, it's about the only thing.

The most recent example that I can think of are the Vietnamese boat people.

Historically USD was about as good as gold. Ironically that was because it was as good as gold.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2022 01:50 AM (jJVsK)

355 The big thing that I noticed when getting into discussions about "monetary policy" with the statists, everything would be going along reasonably well, till I pointed out they'd left out one attribute of Money. It is not only a medium of exchange, it is by definition a store of value.

This causes them to start screeching like wounded eagles. Apparently they don't like this.

That's probably why they talk about negative interest rates and money that "expires" and all the other jiggery-pokery they want to do. I can see where someone having wealth they can't delete from afar would keep them up at night, or something.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2022 01:56 AM (jJVsK)

356 Junk Silver is a very serviceable currency. Hard to argue that a 1955 dime, ain't 90% silver. And, it's value is small enough to be useful in exchange, transaction or barter.

Most gold, conversely, has to be cleaved into shavings small enough to resemble exchangeable value. Great when you've got the 1 oz Credit Swisse, but not so much when you have the .1 oz cut off of that ingot on your end of the deal. Now, you've got to weigh and chemically assay that sliver, to prove that what you claim to have is what you have.

Smaller, daily transactions, junk silver is king. As are other readily I.D.'d versions of silver ingots, ranging from 1 oz to 5 or 10 oz, to 100 oz. bars.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 02, 2022 01:58 AM (QzJWU)

357 >> There's a reason for that.

That's because there is no objective definition of value. Value, worth, is entirely subjective. It doesn't not follow from the laws of physics. The laws of the Universe have no notion of value.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 02:01 AM (Mzdiz)

358 Gold has little to no value to me should the world collapse. I would not trade you and once of gold, or any other metal for that matter, for an ounce of .22LR ammo.

If you have grains or meat, I would part with some of that ammo but metal? You can keep that.

Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at May 02, 2022 02:11 AM (1DgE4)

359
There was a Twilight Zone episode, too lazy to look up the title. Anyway, Claude Akins and two others were some thieves. They stole a bunch of gold. One of them was some mad scientist who came up with a suspended animation gas.

Their plan was to hide out in a cave, and sleep for 100 years, suspended, and them emerge long after, and thus be very rich men.

Or maybe it was four thieves. One of them died, when his pod leaked. The other emerged, but ended walking through the desert and killing each other. Claude Akins was the lone survivor, but died of thirst, just as some one came up in floating car.

He offered them a gold bar to rescue him, then croaked. The future people couldn't believe it. Why did he think gold was so valuable? Turns out that years ago, cheap transmutation became available, and gold could be made out of lead for cheap.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 02:17 AM (Mzdiz)

360 I was just looking up some info re scrip. In 1938, federal law made it illegal to pay wages in scrip. That is still on the books, and was upheld. Scrip is legal, but you couldn't pay wages in it.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 01:46 AM (Mzdiz)

That probably goes back to when the coal companies paid their employees in scrip, the employees paid their rent in scrip, bought their food and clothing at the company store in scrip and when fired had to leave their home with no real money at all.

'Sold my soul to the company store.'

Posted by: RickZ at May 02, 2022 02:20 AM (ldL4g)

361
The episode was "The Rip Van Winkle Caper" and Claude Akins wasn't in it. It was Simon Oakland (Kolchak's boss, and well as Pappy Boyington's general).

I was getting him confused with Claude Akins in my mind for some damned reason.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 02:24 AM (Mzdiz)

362 358 I hear what you are saying. The issue is all of human history says otherwise. If you will trade .22 lr for gold, be very carefull.

I remember when G. Gordon Liddy said we should go with Jack Daniels and 22 lr. He made a point. But the anti gold stuff makes no sense. Theories are great, but realty says gold is king. I wonder why anyone would say otherwise. My guess is reality has not dawned upon them.

Posted by: Quint at May 02, 2022 02:31 AM (bNcG+)

363 Quint.

Gold is indeed, king in the long term. But short to mid term, you need functional, smaller than gold value increments to trade, sell or barter.

Silver is useful, here. Ammo is even more useful.

Gold it the King of holding Long Term Wealth. Even more than diamonds. Diamonds are subjective, up to the judgement of who is looking through the loupe. Short to mid-term? Ammo, then silver. Longer term/recovery to normalcy, Gold Rules.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 02, 2022 02:39 AM (QzJWU)

364 We're not feeling the love here for gold-pressed bars of latinum.

Posted by: The Ferengi Alliance at May 02, 2022 02:46 AM (ldL4g)

365 gold is not going to be useful outside a very narrow window, even then, there is nothing saying the gov is not going to confiscate the gold.

fwiw, gold meaning the physical gold coins that william devane is into is very hard to get into and out of, ask guys that bought it in the 80s.

Posted by: confederatefifth at May 02, 2022 02:47 AM (K3ZCc)

366
I've always heard it put that gold is not so much and inflation hedge (look at the real price of gold fluctuations over the years, in terms of various baskets of goods), but a shit hit the fan hedge.

When societies go haywire, govts collapse, economies collapse, etc, the shit hits the fan, then gold is indeed king. In these times, you don't think of return on investment, or even maintaining constant wealth. It's preserving some fraction of what you have. You hope that fraction will be as close to unity as possible, but that's not guaranteed.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 02:47 AM (Mzdiz)

367 Gold is easy to work, does not tarnish, and is pretty and rare. Hence it is a good thing to use for exchange of wealth.

Intrinsic value is great, until you shoot all your money against bandits. What do you use to trade for the things of intrinsic value? Something that is pretty, does not corrode and is easily formed into small objects.

Thanks for the ONT.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 02, 2022 02:50 AM (dNqv+)

368 publius. You are indeed, correct. Gold is not a wealth investment. It is a defensive investment.

When the S does HTF, then that is when holding Gold might make one wealthier than those who do not.

Lightly stated. Invest in 1/3 gold, 1/3 junk silver coins, 1/3 ammo. Hold NOTHING in what is represented in paper, digital or "accounts". If you can't hold it in your hand, you don't OWN it.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 02, 2022 02:53 AM (QzJWU)

369 >> Gold is easy to work, does not tarnish, and is pretty and rare. Hence it is a good thing to use for exchange of wealth.

And monkeys like shiny things. Gold is perfect for our inner monkey. The fact that it is relatively rare, and impossible to counterfeit gives backing to the monkey shiny thing factor.

Now, all bets are off if Rod Serling's transmutation machine ever becomes reality.

Not likely though, until we get to Type II civilization status.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 02:53 AM (Mzdiz)

370 363 you are right on. Of course I love silver too. And I get why people say gold is dead. The reAlity is they wished they had gold or silver these guys are crooks.

Posted by: Quint at May 02, 2022 02:56 AM (bNcG+)

371
I read an article a few weeks ago. Some one had framed this whole money thing in an interesting way. There are two kinds of money, effectively, which he dubbed "inside money" and "outside money". Sort of an odd sounding way to put it, at first, but it makes good sense.

Inside and outside were relative to the "System", the current (corrupt) system of global finance and economic activity. Inside money is things that are within that system, that exist only inside it, and have no value without it.

Outside money is shit outside that system that doesn't depend on it. Gold is outside money. Dollar is inside.

Roughly, outside money are stuff that is not a liability on anyone's balance sheet. Inside money is always someone's liability. Outside money is always an asset, never a liability.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 03:01 AM (Mzdiz)

372 Roughly, outside money are stuff that is not a liability on anyone's balance sheet. Inside money is always someone's liability. Outside money is always an asset, never a liability.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 03:01 AM (Mzdiz)

Isn't that kind of the difference though between money and wealth? Money is the method of exchange, but wealth is actual value?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 02, 2022 03:02 AM (dNqv+)

373 Just fantastic, a thunderstorm

Posted by: Skip at May 02, 2022 03:03 AM (2JoB8)

374 I'm to the snoozer.

Land is also equivalent to outside money. Just so long as there is no mortgage in the equation.

/zzzz

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 02, 2022 03:03 AM (QzJWU)

375 Night Jim.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 02, 2022 03:04 AM (dNqv+)

376 373 Just fantastic, a thunderstorm
Posted by: Skip at May 02, 2022 03:03 AM (2JoB

Thunderstorms are awesome.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 02, 2022 03:04 AM (dNqv+)

377 Hrm, a new thing for youtube where you can buy the ability to listen to ad free music. Brave seems to do that without having to buy anything.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 02, 2022 03:05 AM (dNqv+)

378 >> Isn't that kind of the difference though between money and wealth? Money is the method of exchange, but wealth is actual value?

Yes, indeed. However, money needs to have the property of being something can move around, handled, and transferred. Land for example, or say, some valuable house/structure, etc, can't be.

I can't say, go dig up some dirt off my land and have that been some fraction of my land's worth. :-)

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 03:06 AM (Mzdiz)

379 Mornin', all

Posted by: My Life is Insanity at May 02, 2022 03:07 AM (ry/Oc)

380 Just fantastic, a thunderstorm
Posted by: Skip

Not here yet.....

Posted by: JT at May 02, 2022 03:08 AM (arJlL)

381 Hiya MLiiGRAM !

Posted by: JT at May 02, 2022 03:09 AM (arJlL)

382 I can't say, go dig up some dirt off my land and have that been some fraction of my land's worth. :-)
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 03:06 AM (Mzdiz)

Hmm, interesting question. The idea that the totality of a thing increases it's overall value. I'd say that is true. Although a Bugatti Veryon's tire is like 20k. I'd say the carbon fiber bits and bobs are worth a pretty penny as well. On the other hand, I'd say the thing assembled is worth more than it's constituent parts.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 02, 2022 03:09 AM (dNqv+)

383 Hey, JT!

Posted by: My Life is Insanity at May 02, 2022 03:10 AM (ry/Oc)

384 Hmmm, but the burning times would also be a massive case of value realignment.

Having the ownership of a cave with clean water, natural ventilation and spaciousness and defensibility would be worth far more than a Bugatti Chiron.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 02, 2022 03:11 AM (dNqv+)

385 Maybe value 'truing' rather than realignment.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 02, 2022 03:12 AM (dNqv+)

386 On the other hand, I'd say the thing assembled is worth more than it's constituent parts.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 02, 2022 03:09 AM (dNqv+)

Not true for all cars.

Posted by: Chop Shops, Ltd., Subsidiary of Crime, Inc. at May 02, 2022 03:13 AM (ldL4g)

387 We had some serious Tstorms Saturday afternoon and night. Hail in a few places. Today should be cloudy, but no rain, and into the 50s!

Posted by: My Life is Insanity at May 02, 2022 03:14 AM (ry/Oc)

388 Hard to believe it's already May

Posted by: My Life is Insanity at May 02, 2022 03:17 AM (ry/Oc)

389 >> The idea that the totality of a thing increases it's overall value. I'd say that is true.

All you can say is the whole is not necessarily equal to the sum of it's parts. It can go the other way. Build a car by buying all the parts at a parts store. :-) You'll find you'll spend a fortune doing that, many, many times the value of that car you'd put together.

Yet, auto makes build cars from parts, and make money at it. Think about what's going on there.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 03:18 AM (Mzdiz)

390 Hey, JT!
Posted by: My Life is Insanity

Posted by: JT at May 02, 2022 03:18 AM (arJlL)

391 Hard to believe it's already May
Posted by: My Life is Insanity

Did you see Skip's dollhouse ?

Posted by: JT at May 02, 2022 03:19 AM (arJlL)

392 Yet, auto makes build cars from parts, and make money at it. Think about what's going on there.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 03:18 AM (Mzdiz)

There you are not only buying the parts though, you are also buying the convenience and reliability of not having to buy all equipment needed to assemble it. Not to mention the man hours of putting it together.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 02, 2022 03:20 AM (dNqv+)

393 I did JT! Excellent workmanship. His grand-niece is going to love it!

Posted by: My Life is Insanity at May 02, 2022 03:21 AM (ry/Oc)

394 I did JT! Excellent workmanship. His grand-niece is going to love it!
Posted by: My Life is Insanity

YEP !

Posted by: JT at May 02, 2022 03:25 AM (arJlL)

395 Gold is money. Currency is not money. By definition, you can't "invest" in gold. Because, an investment is something other than money. You can't "invest" in money. It's the unit of account, a marker.

Gold is called a commodity, but it really isn't. It trades on the currency market. If it doesn't have an intrinsic value apart from the one issuing it, it isn't money. People say "You can't eat gold".

Well you can't eat pieces of paper either.

Gold coins are the easiest thing to buy and sell, worldwide, whoever tells you otherwise is completely mistaken. Within minutes. I'm not suggesting anyone buy or sell gold coins, but I am saying some of the advice in the mainstream has long been really, really bad.

As should be evident to most, by now.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2022 03:25 AM (jJVsK)

396 >>There you are not only buying the parts though, you are also buying the convenience and reliability of not having to buy all equipment needed to assemble it. Not to mention the man hours of putting it together.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 02, 2022 03:20 AM (dNqv+)

I can do quite a few things, you know, DIY stuff. Assembling a car would not be something I'd want to attempt! We tend to take for granted all the work that goes into something that we use every day.

Posted by: My Life is Insanity at May 02, 2022 03:28 AM (ry/Oc)

397 As should be evident to most, by now.
Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2022 03:25 AM (jJVsK)

This is also a good piece of the puzzle. Precious metals are almost all workable and divisible but maintain their value, even divided.

Let's say you have 5 oz of pure gold. You can divide that in half and yet the two halves put together still has the same value (assuming it was not some beautiful work of art necklace or something.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 02, 2022 03:30 AM (dNqv+)

398 Off the top of my head, many things can be used as money. Cigarettes. Chocolate.

Good attributes of Money - observed thousands of years ago. Must be rare. Though not too rare.

Difficult to counterfeit. Easy to authenticate.

Durable. Portable, small unit size to value ratio. Indestructible.

Homogenous. Divisible. This means one piece should be as valuable as the rest, not value reduced by not being functional, etc. It should not spoil.

As it turns out, gold hits all of the criteria. And chicks dig it, too. It is almost useless in any practical sense, ironically enough.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2022 03:31 AM (jJVsK)

399 Some of this doesn't get me. Some hate it and want share.

These lefties lost it.

Posted by: Quint at May 02, 2022 03:32 AM (bNcG+)

400
Now, in that inside vs outside money thing, he was arguing that bitcoin and crypto should be outside money. I don't agree. It's very much "inside" in the sense that to work with it, you need the system of the internet, computing power, etc, etc.

The concept however, can have merit. I don't know if this is possible. Imagine a concept of a "token", something like a bitcoin, some unit, that can be determined by physical processes. The laws of physics define some process by which some such token can be defined. That is all observes in the universe can do "basic physics experiments" and determine these tokens, and some unique identifier thereof.

If that were possible, you'd have something. Something that could serve as "money" and be independent of a system.

I don't know if that is possible and would bet against it. Even if some such "token" could be defined, dealing with it would require a level of technology of measurement and such that, well, wouldn't be available to a caveman, or even a modern stranded on the proverbial desert island.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 03:36 AM (Mzdiz)

401 We don't hear things like "the yard lost several inches in heavy measuring against the meter on Wall Street yesterday" in the news.

An acre of land doesn't fluctuate in size. We notice our cereal boxes keep getting smaller. And prices keep going up.

The problem is, there is no standard unit of account. I'm not arguing it has to be gold standard.

But there has to be something other than a "politician standard". Because they will always debauch the currency. History is very clear on this.

The constitution says that too. They'd just got off a huge paper money scam that ruined nearly everyone. It always ends the same way.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2022 03:39 AM (jJVsK)

402 Mayday tweets

249 https://tinyurl.com/3mad8ke6
20 Tweets from Bad Blue
Posted by: Skip at May 01, 2022 06:13 PM (2JoB

Posted by: m at May 02, 2022 03:40 AM (6i1Yo)

403
Yes, I agree with you that politicians and crooked banksters shouldn't get to play around with money. But the thing is, value is always subjective. The value of that acre of land depends on, well, what others will pay for it, as the old saying goes. Context, you might say. In some times and conditions, a given acre of land might be worth a lot to people. In others, it won't be, depending on conditions.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 03:41 AM (Mzdiz)

404 No, you're missing the point.

The size of an acre doesn't fluctuate.

The kilogram is precisely defined.

What is the definition of a "dollar"?

Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2022 03:44 AM (jJVsK)

405 The Romans had several series of currency devaluations and collapses. The biggest I am thinking of came due during Diocleatian, who essentially had to scrap everything and go to a barter system (and other things) that essentially set everything up for a 1000 years of feudalism. He tried to fix the existing system without taking the worthless coins out of circulation, and that kind of doomed the currency side of things.

Constantine essentially restored currency stability by instituting the Solidus for gold coinage. I have seen arguments that this only solidified the wealth of the rich, but I find that less persuasive than the further entrenchment of the feudal, top down management of everything started by Diocletian.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 02, 2022 03:45 AM (dNqv+)

406 In others, it won't be, depending on conditions.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 03:41 AM (Mzdiz)

An acre of land in Manhattan during a zombie apocalypse.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 02, 2022 03:46 AM (dNqv+)

407
Consider the physical units, the dimensions of time, length, mass, etc. They have objective physical meaning. Now, we can define them arbitrarily. The unit of time is this. The unit of length is this here thing, and the unit of mass is this here.

That's the way we've done it. However, we don't have to. We can let the laws of physics determine them. That is hard, however, as you need very precise measuring equipment and expertise to do it.

We are slowly moving toward the ideal. With arbitrary units, we have physical constants that have to be determined by measurement. When our measurements get to be precise enough, we can simply *define* those physical constants to be some value, and let the determine the units.

Now, for years, we did that with the meter, the unit of length. We define the speed of light to be exactly some value, and let the second determine the meter.

Things have progressed enough that we now define mass, the kilogram, in terms of the second. See the "watt balance". Here, we define Planck's constant to be a specific value, and knowing the meter and second, the kilogram is then determined.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 03:48 AM (Mzdiz)

408
The physical properties of that acre don't change. But what is its *value*? Ain't no physical, objective, laws-of-physics way to define that. It its subjective. It's value is only what someone else will pay for it, no more, no less.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 03:49 AM (Mzdiz)

409
That change to the kilogram took effect in 2020. The Kelvin and the Ampere (and unit of charge) also were changed.

Basically, the only arbitrary unit now is the second.

And that can be done away with as well when technology improves enough.

Again, there is no way any notion of value can be defined by such physical laws.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 03:51 AM (Mzdiz)

410 Lighting

Posted by: Skip at May 02, 2022 03:53 AM (2JoB8)

411 Howdy Hordelings. Awake at an atypical time. Checking in to see who's here. Hope all are well.

Posted by: Doof at May 02, 2022 03:53 AM (yUjc0)

412 I'm no mathematician, but I suspect for calculations to work, people have to agree on certain definitions.

Same thing with accounting. How can you make anything work, when one of the components is undefined?

One of the things FDR did, along with confiscation of the money supply, was renege on gold bonds, and gold clause contracts. The latter were common for 99 year lease agreements.

There was an interesting court case on this. Terwilliger, I think. A Des Moines office building was being leased, and a sharp accountant noticed it had a gold clause contract, about 1985 or so. The leasers were paying something ridiculous, like $1000 a month. For the whole building, because it was based on 1900 year dollars. They prevailed.

Gold clause contracts are legal again. Something to think about, perhaps. Because there's no way to protect yourself without specifying some objective unit of account. "Medium of Exchange" only works over short time periods. This is why "currency" isn't money per se.

Or put another way, nobody ever had to force people to use gold as money. But they had to outlaw gold, and use the force of government to make people use their scrip.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2022 03:54 AM (jJVsK)

413 Hiya Doof !

Posted by: JT at May 02, 2022 03:57 AM (arJlL)

414
Okay, define for me a unit of value. Something objective, something in terms of physical laws.

That is something that say, some odd lifeform somewhere in some galaxy a billion light years away could agree on. Say this lifeform is much longer timescale than we are. Much slower, where a second equivalent to them is say a 100 years to us. We can't easily communicate, even if were right there.

We can agree on such definitions of the physical units, as the laws of physics are constant.

Define a unit of value in those terms.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 04:00 AM (Mzdiz)

415 Howdy JT.

Posted by: Doof at May 02, 2022 04:01 AM (yUjc0)

416
Value is like beauty. It's a subjective concept of the human mind. There is nothing about either that has any objective definition in the laws of physics.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 04:01 AM (Mzdiz)

417 If you purchase a pound of coffee, and it's only 11 ounces, wouldn't you feel ripped off? You should.

Why should our money be any different? It's the unit of account. Coffee itself has a price, a value. It might go up a little, it might go down a little.

The unit of account, money is a "commodity" too - but it should not be undefined.

Think of Congress. Government. Bureacratic loons.. That's who is defining our unit of account now.

How's that workin' out for ya?

Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2022 04:04 AM (jJVsK)

418 First rumble of thunder .....

Posted by: JT at May 02, 2022 04:05 AM (arJlL)

419 You say value is "subjective".

You try telling that to the IRS. Or your mortgage lender. Or anyone really, to whom you owe money. I agree with you, but as a practical matter, it is very real.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2022 04:07 AM (jJVsK)

420 >> If you purchase a pound of coffee, and it's only 11 ounces, wouldn't you feel ripped off? You should.

If I'm pricing coffee in weight, then yes, weight has an objective definition. But of course the value of a given weight of coffee has no objective definition.

In fact, I'm not much of a coffee drinker. Don't care for it. Coffee is not very valuable to me.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 04:09 AM (Mzdiz)

421 Second, longer rumble of thunder....

(Stay tuned for more accu-weather....)

Posted by: JT at May 02, 2022 04:10 AM (arJlL)

422
Again, give me an objective definition of value. Give me the field equations of value. There is no such thing.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 04:10 AM (Mzdiz)

423 Guess Pixy's been kidnapped....

Posted by: JT at May 02, 2022 04:11 AM (arJlL)

424 Mornin', folks,

Up early to work out, but -- even though I've had a decent amount of sleep -- I'm not sure I'm up to it. Probably the usual inertia that some coffee will wipe out. How'z by you?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 02, 2022 04:11 AM (c6xtn)

425 Yesterday everyone was talking about eggs on Food Thread so put up a Dailytimewaster.blogspot.com on Penguin eggs, no comments, they boil up clear with greenish center.

Posted by: Skip at May 02, 2022 04:12 AM (2JoB8)

426 You can't be serious.

But you must first give an objective value of a dollar.

Fair enough?

Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2022 04:12 AM (jJVsK)

427 Pixy hasn't shown up at his Ambient Irony site yet:

https://ai.mee.nu

Posted by: m at May 02, 2022 04:13 AM (6i1Yo)

428 Yesterday everyone was talking about eggs on Food Thread so put up a Dailytimewaster.blogspot.com on Penguin eggs, no comments, they boil up clear with greenish center.

Posted by: Skip

Blah.

I WAS hungry....

Posted by: JT at May 02, 2022 04:13 AM (arJlL)

429 Naomi Judd was a beautiful woman, lovelier than Wynonna for sure and apparently nowhere near as nutty as Ashley.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 02, 2022 04:13 AM (c6xtn)

430
Miley is a big coffee drinker. She values coffee higher than me. I wouldn't give you a plugged nickel for a ton of coffee for me. It's only value would arbitrage to me. The fact that some other person values it.

Tea, however, is another matter. I value that greatly.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 04:13 AM (Mzdiz)

431 >> You can't be serious.

But you must first give an objective value of a dollar.

I'm quite serious. If there is an objective definition of value, then there will be the equivalent of field equations for it. An expression in terms of physical law.

There is no objective definition of the value of a dollar, which is my whole point. There is no objective definition of the value of anything. It's all in our heads.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 04:15 AM (Mzdiz)

432 Do we know when Jen Psaki leaves her White House gig for her lucrative tv job? I hope it's soon.

Posted by: m at May 02, 2022 04:18 AM (6i1Yo)

433 You're making my point.

I know everything is in our heads. That doesn't change anything.

We're being robbed by crooks, and you want to argue philosophical argle bargle.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2022 04:18 AM (jJVsK)

434 >>> I don't know if that is possible and would bet against it. Even if some such "token" could be defined, dealing with it would require a level of technology of measurement and such that, well, wouldn't be available to a caveman, or even a modern stranded on the proverbial desert island.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 03:36 AM (Mzdiz)

There are tokens pegged to gold. The problem is who gets to be the "pegger" which sounds dirty but is a central issue with crypto. So there are service utility tokens who's only purpose is to extract consensus concerning external data like gold value with respect to other currencies and expose it to other tokens. The way this is done has to be visible and agreed to along the block chain.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 02, 2022 04:19 AM (0fVbu)

435 >>Yesterday everyone was talking about eggs on Food Thread so put up a Dailytimewaster.blogspot.com on Penguin eggs, no comments, they boil up clear with greenish center.

Posted by: Skip

That where they get the green eggs 'n ham?

Posted by: My Life is Insanity at May 02, 2022 04:20 AM (ry/Oc)

436 Container Shipping Supply Chain Faces The Deepest Crisis Ever As Massive Disruptions Emerge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqJtHfriWo0

Posted by: SMH that God hasn't lobbed a Texas-sized asteroid at us yet at May 02, 2022 04:21 AM (aKMRW)

437 On Monday, the President ... and the First Lady will host a reception to celebrate Eid in the East Room.

https://tinyurl.com/fas8amum

White House press briefing transcript
April 29th

Posted by: m at May 02, 2022 04:22 AM (6i1Yo)

438 My tablet is doing goofy things, copy/paste is messed up
https://dailytimewaster.blogspot.com/2022/04/
the-next-thing-hardboiled-penguin-egg.html

Posted by: Skip at May 02, 2022 04:23 AM (2JoB8)

439
Well, I misunderstand your point, if you think I'm making it. So you agree that value is subjective? But yet you someone want a dollar or a unit of currency to somehow be constant or objective? What is your point?

BTW, I value this sort of argle bargle greatly. You don not. Yet another example of the subjectivity of value.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 04:24 AM (Mzdiz)

440 Those penguin eggs are interesting...the translucent "white" would take some getting used to. I also wonder, as a commenter said, would they have a fishy taste?

Posted by: My Life is Insanity at May 02, 2022 04:28 AM (ry/Oc)

441 Alan Greenspan wrote a very good paper on gold in 1966

I would encourage you to read that. This isn't complicated.

Sometimes, people like to muddy the water, to make it look deep.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2022 04:32 AM (jJVsK)

442 Not sure any other creature that has one ticket food tastes like that food.

Posted by: Skip at May 02, 2022 04:36 AM (2JoB8)

443 Heading out the door before Pixy gets here.

Have a good day, all

*Publius, appreciate your time on continuing to keep us updated on covid related info

Posted by: My Life is Insanity at May 02, 2022 04:38 AM (ry/Oc)

444 Remarks by President Biden at the White House Correspondents’ Association Dinner

April 30th

https://tinyurl.com/2ud5p7ck

Posted by: m at May 02, 2022 04:40 AM (6i1Yo)

445 I can explain it to you, I can't make you understand it.

You seem to have no answer, other than there is no way to define value, so I take it you are comfortable or at least resigned with the current monetary arrangements? That can't be right.

I find that difficult. Usually when I find such resistance, an old saying comes to mind. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, if his paycheck depends on him not understanding it." An extreme hostility to gold as money, was usually found by people who wanted "printing press money".

As Alan Greenspan said in 1966 "Gold stands in the way of this insidious process". His treatise on gold was quite good.

Buffett also wrote an excellent paper on gold money. Not Warren. Howard, Warren's dad. He was a congressman from Nebraska.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2022 04:41 AM (jJVsK)

446 4:44 am. No Pixy?

Posted by: Lurking Cheshirecat at May 02, 2022 04:46 AM (nHzHV)

447
We're in different worlds, Tater. No, I do not like the current system. It is theft.

However, there is no objective definition of value. There is no constant yardstick of such subjective value that can be defined.

I'll continue in my argle bargle. I'm a big fan of gold, as the shit hit the fan hedge. But I realize that the gold is not any constant measure of any physical notion of value.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 04:46 AM (Mzdiz)

448 Melbourne time it's getting on to 7pm.

Posted by: m at May 02, 2022 04:53 AM (6i1Yo)

449 No, we're in the same world. Obviously.

Don't let the perfect get in the way of the good!

We are agreed that the current system is theft.

Gold is not constant value, I never claimed it was.

All I'm saying is the terms of an agreement can't be changed. A contract denominated in dollars has to be paid back in dollars. Monetary inflation is a form of fraud. A hidden tax. A slow default. Or a fast one. See Weimar, Yugoslavia, countless examples. Default.

See where I'm goin' with that? Purchasing power is not some abstract theory.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2022 04:56 AM (jJVsK)

450 Dang I can't sleep tonight. I had one cup of coffee at 9am Sunday. No idea why I can't sleep. Only thing is I missed taking a seasonal allergy pill last night. The generic for xyzal. They're not supposed to make you drowsy but maybe my body gets dependent on it for sleep. I might take it now but I'm afraid I will be drowsy at work. I'm screwed either way. Have a good morning/day/night everyone.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 02, 2022 05:00 AM (0fVbu)

451 Googling

Tucker Carlson Tonight news

pulls up these top three hits, all NYT:

How 'Tucker Carlson Tonight' Fuels Extremism and Fear
How Tucker Carlson Stoked White Fear to Conquer Cable
How Tucker Carlson Reshaped Fox News — and Became Trump’s Heir

Posted by: m at May 02, 2022 05:04 AM (6i1Yo)

452 Still alive, mostly. Tech thread will be along soon.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at May 02, 2022 05:05 AM (MqQvv)

453 Yay; thanks, Pixy!

Posted by: m at May 02, 2022 05:06 AM (6i1Yo)

454 My paste/ clipboard seems to be inoperable ( update couple days ago) and if paste it shows up as a bar not on clipboard.

Posted by: Skip at May 02, 2022 05:09 AM (2JoB8)

455
g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 02, 2022 05:15 AM (DUIap)

456 Morning, 'rons and 'ettes.

Posted by: olddog in mo at May 02, 2022 05:18 AM (ju2Fy)

457 450 Dang I can't sleep tonight. I had one cup of coffee at 9am Sunday. No idea why I can't sleep. Only thing is I missed taking a seasonal allergy pill last night. The generic for xyzal. They're not supposed to make you drowsy but maybe my body gets dependent on it for sleep. I might take it now but I'm afraid I will be drowsy at work. I'm screwed either way. Have a good morning/day/night everyone.
Posted by: banana Dream at May 02, 2022 05:00 AM (0fVbu)

Sorry. Good sleep is awfully important! Warm milk before bed, maybe? Can't hurt.

Posted by: m at May 02, 2022 05:20 AM (6i1Yo)

458 >> A contract denominated in dollars has to be paid back in dollars. Monetary inflation is a form of fraud. A hidden tax. A slow default. Or a fast one. See Weimar, Yugoslavia, countless examples. Default.

------------------------

I am very aware -- ****very aware**** of all that, Tater. My argle bargle is about defining precisely what you mean by all that.

I'll tell you what you're after. You're after a unit of currency, the GDP deflator of which is pegged at a constant 1.0 over time. We could define it terms of a constant CPI style basket of goods deflator, but that is more problematic.

A GDP deflator is better. It means that a unit of currency buys the same fraction of GDP over time. A dollar in 2000 buys the same fraction of GDP in 2020. The problem is that notion of GDP. What an economy produces, what its people value, changes over time. [continued]

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 05:23 AM (Mzdiz)

459 Horrifying story over at Insty about a kid who killed himself because he was bullied for supposedly NOT being vaccinated.

Fuck all of these people. Fuck this world.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 02, 2022 05:24 AM (dNqv+)

460 Aetius normally would read it but doubt now I could, feeling of sorrow just from you saying is too much.

Posted by: Skip at May 02, 2022 05:27 AM (2JoB8)

461 In 2000, the value of coffee, per the population's production fraction, may differ from 2020. But the constant GDP deflator, the neutral GDP weighing means our "constant unit of value" is determined by what the economy produces. So, in 2000, that may be more coffee to dildoes, but in 2020, more dildoes to coffee.

That's the best you can shoot for a a currency. Constant unit GDP deflator over time. Gold ain't gonna do that. Nothing much is gonna do that, save a central bank with a crystal ball that can adjust money supply to hit that peg. Central banks don't have a crystal ball, but an honest one could come close and maintain that, on average over long time scales.

Now, the problem with is GDP is average of the whole economy. Not any indivdual, which varies. The economy and any individual's notion of relative value can differ greatly.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 02, 2022 05:28 AM (Mzdiz)

462 459 Horrifying story over at Insty about a kid who killed himself because he was bullied for supposedly NOT being vaccinated.

Fuck all of these people. Fuck this world.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 02, 2022 05:24 AM (dNqv+)

Here's the link via Instapundit:

https://tinyurl.com/22kysdtm

Posted by: m at May 02, 2022 05:28 AM (6i1Yo)

463 NYC could find nothing on Trump to take to the grand jury, so the NYS AG is going to investigate. We will continue our investigation until we can twist something into a crime.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 02, 2022 05:29 AM (bg3iC)

464 Well need to hit the road
I don't like Mondays

Posted by: Skip at May 02, 2022 05:30 AM (2JoB8)

465 Sarah Hoyt, at Instapundit, wrongly reports that the student attended a public school. According to the linked article, the student attended "private school — ... the Latin School of Chicago."

Posted by: m at May 02, 2022 05:31 AM (6i1Yo)

466 the pixy cometh

Posted by: DB at May 02, 2022 05:33 AM (geLO8)

467 465 Sarah Hoyt, at Instapundit, wrongly reports that the student attended a public school. According to the linked article, the student attended "private school — ... the Latin School of Chicago."
Posted by: m at May 02, 2022 05:31 AM (6i1Yo)

I am not sure public school would be any better. She has the Hell bit right though.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 02, 2022 05:33 AM (dNqv+)

468 Also from the linked article:

"A full reading of the [parents'] complaint suggests that this bullying was not solely because the others believed [the student] hadn’t gotten any COVID shots."

Posted by: m at May 02, 2022 05:35 AM (6i1Yo)

469 The headline of the article is not born out by the details that are given in the article. It's a very click-baity headline.

Posted by: m at May 02, 2022 05:36 AM (6i1Yo)

470 Pixy's up!

Posted by: m at May 02, 2022 05:37 AM (6i1Yo)

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