Trump Walks Out of Piers Morgan Interview

Piers is up to his usual bullshit.

I don't have a problem with the questioning. This is going to be standard questioning from the left. Trump has made the fraudulence of the 2020 election a centerpiece of his campaign for 2024 (re) election. I wouldn't have done that, but he did. He has to defend that.

And he has to expect to defend that from an extremely hostile propagandistic media.

But the framing around these clips, the dramatic voice-over of "A FORMER PRESIDENT IN DENIAL" is, well, pure Piers Morgan -- dishonest, carnival-barker-y, hyped-up tabloid lies.

Based on the hype, I was expecting Trump to look really bad. And then he looks... not bad at all. The "bad" thing he does is walk out, but that's not really bad. He gets up calmly and says "turn the cameras off" calmly, which is his right.

And he says Piers Morgan is dishonest, which we already knew -- he did invade people's privacy by listening to their answering machine messages -- and he's just generally a scumbag.

I think what happened here is that Piers made specific promises to Trump about the interview, based upon their prior history and "friendship" (a TV "friendship"), and then just completely showed that he was lying about that.

Eh.

I don't think this is a win for Trump because I don't think Trump can really win on this issue. He's constantly going to have to be talking about the past, which means he's not going to be talking about stuff most voters -- normies, I mean, not really invested people like us -- care about.

This is a deep, sticky mud issue. Little progress will ever be made on it. Even where there is progress, the media will not credit him for it.

In all honesty, I don't even cover stories where I see there are rulings that help Trump because I'm not sure what the point is -- I agree with the general idea that the election was unfair and "rigged" in a general way.

In no possible world is a court going to step in and call a do-over and install Trump.

Maybe Trump just needs a three minute answer that sums up the rigging in a general way, his five most unassailable points (citing that Time Magazine "fortify the election" admission), and then moves on?

"Take it up with Time Magazine," he can say to further questions.


But I do think this is a loss for Piers Morgan. Just more proof, as if it was needed, that he's a clown and a monkey and an attention whore of a very low quality.

But enough of me telling you what I think -- it's time for you to tell me what I think.

Oh, you might wonder who would give this scumbag huckster a show:

Fox News, of course.

Who else would give cellar-dwelling lefty hucksters and carnival-barkers their own show?

By the way, has Hillary Clinton ever been challenged on her Russia Collusion lies?

Has she ever been challenged on her claim that Russia actually changed vote tallies in voting machines, ever?

Oh: Here's something I can fault Trump for: His frequent fault of putting trust in all the wrong people. Especially people he just knows from TV.

Piers Morgan is an opportunistic scumbag. I guess you have to give interviews to some people.

But... Why him again? He has no credibility. What's the upside of giving an interview to him?

Posted by: Ace at 04:49 PM




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1 First!

Posted by: Flyguy at April 20, 2022 04:49 PM (KHgzt)

2 3rd!

Posted by: johnd01 at April 20, 2022 04:50 PM (uVQvU)

3 I blame inflation.

Posted by: johnd01 at April 20, 2022 04:51 PM (uVQvU)

4 NOOD

Posted by: johnd01 at April 20, 2022 04:51 PM (uVQvU)

5 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 20, 2022 04:51 PM (Zz0t1)

6 Pierced Morgan still has a show somewhere?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 20, 2022 04:51 PM (Zz0t1)

7 The Others have been summoned.

Posted by: johnd01 at April 20, 2022 04:52 PM (uVQvU)

8 Turn the TV off and leave it off.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 20, 2022 04:52 PM (jXaPu)

9 Piers is a AHole anyway

Posted by: Skip at April 20, 2022 04:52 PM (2JoB8)

10 Don't get why Trump even bothered.

Posted by: SMH at God's grace at April 20, 2022 04:52 PM (/DXve)

11 I consider keeping voter fraud and the illegitimacy of the regime in the public consciousness to be a win.

The Democrats loudly insisting everything was on the up and up is like below

"The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons,"

You want them to be defending their legitimacy. The second no one is talking about it anymore is the second we've lost on the issue.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 20, 2022 04:52 PM (z5Vrg)

12 Turn the TV off and leave it off.
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Oh, we do.

Posted by: SMH at God's grace at April 20, 2022 04:53 PM (/DXve)

13 It's De Debbil's fault.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 20, 2022 04:53 PM (II3Gr)

14 Why keep doing this?

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 20, 2022 04:53 PM (5NRaB)

15 >>>6 Pierced Morgan still has a show somewhere?


YES ON FOX

OF COURSE

Posted by: ace at April 20, 2022 04:53 PM (0G13K)

16 By the way, has Hillary Clinton ever been challenged on her Russia Collusion lies?

That is what cracks me up every time I see, like, CNN saying "Crazy Trump claims voter fraud" after having Hillary on half a dozen times talking about how her presidency was stolen by voter fraud. And Stacy Abrams on talking about how her governorship was stolen by voter fraud.

Then CNN goes on to talk about how even bringing up voter fraud is crraAAAAAZYy!!!!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 20, 2022 04:54 PM (KZzsI)

17 Piers has had moments of sanity. Or, perhaps, he's been on his meds so he appears sane.

Or, perhaps, he's just a hack at heart and, once in a while, manages to slip the mask in place for a bit.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 20, 2022 04:54 PM (5pTK/)

18 I don't think this is a win for Trump because I don't think Trump can really win on this issue. He's constantly going to have to be talking about the past, which means he's not going to be talking about stuff most voters -- normies, I mean, not really invested people like us -- care about.

=========

Voter integrity has become a Top 3 issue with voters since 2020.

This isn't just Trump talking up something he and only he is interested in.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking great in a trenchcoat and fedora with JP Melville at April 20, 2022 04:54 PM (LvTSG)

19 Turn the TV off and leave it off.

Surrendering the culture to the liberals is exactly how we got here, but sure.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 20, 2022 04:54 PM (ZGrMX)

20 All the Democrats Propaganda Ministry can ask is gotcha questions.

Posted by: Skip at April 20, 2022 04:54 PM (2JoB8)

21 Don't get why Trump even bothered.

I think Trump thinks he'll kick down the door, own the place and walk out with everyone cheering him. And to be fair, he does that an awful lot, even with hostile crowds. But not always.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 20, 2022 04:54 PM (KZzsI)

22 A scorpion will always be a scorpion. It would do all of well to remember that.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at April 20, 2022 04:55 PM (iDcra)

23 Surrendering the culture to the liberals is exactly how we got here, but sure.
Posted by: Ian S
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Whatevers.

Still not watching, but you do you.

Posted by: SMH at God's grace at April 20, 2022 04:55 PM (/DXve)

24 Not saying Trump has a real rival for the 2024 nod, but if you're thinking of running, this just became a template for how to drive him nuts.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 20, 2022 04:55 PM (KbCG3)

25 That's odd because Morgan was pro-Trump as I recall and okay on one or two other issues despite his anti 2nd Amendment b.s.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at April 20, 2022 04:55 PM (UHVv4)

26 TRUMP!

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 20, 2022 04:55 PM (T9FKO)

27 Piers Morgan has a new show in the UK with Sharon Osbourne, another piece of shit human being.

Posted by: Mark1971 at April 20, 2022 04:55 PM (xPl2J)

28 it's time for you to tell me what I think.

LOL, Ace. Has it not been a good day with posters dumping on you? I missed it. I think that you should think about taking a real vacation-not just a long weekend.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 20, 2022 04:55 PM (fF2aM)

29
Chrissie Mayr is about to go live with CatTurd.

https://youtu.be/aYCN5Q3WwQI

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at April 20, 2022 04:55 PM (+ikQy)

30 Seriously, I don't think this serves any useful purpose either. The fix and the narrative were in before the interview was even conducted, as shown by the headline "A Former President in Denial." I'm sure they had that teed up when the interview was nothing more than an itch in Piers' pants.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 20, 2022 04:55 PM (II3Gr)

31 Voter integrity has become a Top 3 issue with voters since 2020.

Hilariously, the left is driving some of that with Stacey "M1A1" Abrams being unable to shut her mouth for 5 seconds.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 20, 2022 04:56 PM (ZGrMX)

32 Almost all of the problems we are facing today are the result of a fraudulent election, or due to the machinations used to create the fraud. I don't see how we can start to fix them without coming to terms with that. It would be like AA serving booze to start their meetings.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 20, 2022 04:56 PM (5kI0z)

33 I would suggest projecting it forward, in a way. That is, Trump--or DeSantis, or whoever--ought to make "commitment to free and fair elections" a major campaign issue. Try to pin Biden down at the debate (assuming Biden is still alive at that point) by asking, "will you pledge here and now to support free and fair elections in all states this time around?"

Just pitch it in a way that conveys the point it's the Democrats who have brought this on us; they're the reason we have to talk about this.

Posted by: Dr. T at April 20, 2022 04:56 PM (bhRsz)

34 Piers probably just made a huge mistake. The Trump Effect has been real and unforgiving when it comes to stuff like this.

I can hardly wait.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 20, 2022 04:56 PM (5pTK/)

35 >>>Voter integrity has become a Top 3 issue with voters since 2020.


Free speech is important to people but no one wanted to hear Lenny bruce reading his obscenity trial records at his comedy shows.

Posted by: ace at April 20, 2022 04:56 PM (0G13K)

36 You were reading this mornings threads, weren't you, Ace.

This is precisely the point I was making. That Trump using the lost election as his raison d'etre is going to be a divisive loser in many ways, not the least of which is that it will become a constant distraction and easily pull him way off message. Which we know never ends well for Trump. This is how Trump loses people who would otherwise vote for him. True or not, the stolen election os not what people want to hear about. They want to hear about how he is specifically going to fix things.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 20, 2022 04:56 PM (a1CRn)

37
Surrendering the culture to the liberals is exactly how we got here, but sure.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 20, 2022 04:54 PM (ZGrMX)

We didn't lose the NFL because not enough right-wingers were watching football.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 20, 2022 04:56 PM (z5Vrg)

38
Piers Morgan is a bone-stupid limey fruit.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 20, 2022 04:56 PM (UGDPW)

39 OT, but apparently the German government funded a hate-speech map. Breitbart made the cut. A few others I recognize.

Ace's cruelty, as far as I can see, did not land him on the page.

https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/
1516860142737780736

Posted by: 496 at April 20, 2022 04:57 PM (VJsqe)

40 By the way, has Hillary Clinton ever been challenged on her Russia Collusion lies?

Has she ever been challenged on her claim that Russia actually changed vote tallies in voting machines, ever?

++++
No. We don't have a press, we have propaganda organs. Every single one of them, to the last man.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 20, 2022 04:57 PM (DU+/6)

41 Don't let them define the terms. Don't argue fraud, argue transparency. Why can't we prove there was no fraud? Why were records required to be preserved deleted or destroyed, etc.

No amount of proof will convince a Lib about the fraud, but the mere fact it is in dispute shows we lack sufficient transparency.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at April 20, 2022 04:57 PM (cupoy)

42 >>>LOL, Ace. Has it not been a good day with posters dumping on you? I missed it.

no i didn't mean it like that, I meant it like, "it's time for you to repeat back to me my thoughts"

Posted by: ace at April 20, 2022 04:57 PM (0G13K)

43 My only source of what's happening among the newstalkers and their targets comes from here and a couple other independent sources. I hate the back and forth jibber jabber. Elevates the ol' blood pressure it does. And nothing is ever accomplished aside from a bunch of bazinga gotcha moments.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at April 20, 2022 04:57 PM (x8Wzq)

44 We didn't lose the NFL because not enough right-wingers were watching football.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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Guess my daughter, SiL, and grandbabies are surrendering to the culture since they have no TV or internet.

Posted by: SMH at God's grace at April 20, 2022 04:58 PM (/DXve)

45 "But I do think this is a loss for Piers Morgan. Just more proof, as if it was needed, that he's a clown and a monkey and an attention whore of a very low quality."

I don't see how it's a loss for Piers, by this logic. Everyone knows he's a loser, and yet he still has a job in "journalism". Nothing changed that based on Trump walking out, so at worst, it's a wash. At best, lefty media types view this as brave, strong journalism, because Trump walked out, and Piers gets some kind of street cred.

Posted by: Grimmy at April 20, 2022 04:58 PM (JCZqz)

46
Meh. It's a start.

What he needs to do with a reporter is lunge out of his chair, produce a riding crop, and flog the motherless bastard within an inch of his worthless life on live television.

Set the tone for '24.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 20, 2022 04:58 PM (UGDPW)

47 It's not about dem claims that the election was on the up and up, it's about the GOP claims. If the party was aggressive about calling bullshit on the shenanigans prior to November, then I think Trump's behavior would be different. But, they want to push the idea that the election was clean because they can then argue that Trump is an obvious loser and should be discarded in favor of the establishment candidate.

I keep saying that the GOPe needed Trump repudiated in 2020. It didn't happen. In fact, he managed to lose while still having coattails to nearly give the GOP the House. And we'd likely have held the senate if not for McConnell, who pushed for Loeffler over Trumps choice, and then blocked the stimulus check weeks before the runoff.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 20, 2022 04:58 PM (iaoSJ)

48 It's not an automatic loser to "talk about the past".... if you do it in the context of the present.

Why are we here? Stolen Election. Why is congress so dysfunctional? Stolen Elections. Why does over three quarters of the nation feel they have no representation in Washington? Stolen Elections.

Make it a Big Issue. Nobody cares about one man's sour grapes. EVERYONE (ok, *almost* everyone) cares about a completely broken pseudo-aristocracy masquerading as a liberal democracy.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 20, 2022 04:58 PM (6FeV1)

49 no i didn't mean it like that, I meant it like, "it's time for you to repeat back to me my thoughts"
Posted by: ace at April 20, 2022 04:57 PM (0G13K)
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Okay, and, what, exactly, are we supposed to think when you tell us we're supposed to tell you what we think you think?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 20, 2022 04:58 PM (5pTK/)

50 Maybe Trump just needs a three minute answer that sums up the rigging in a general way, his five most unassailable points (citing that Time Magazine "fortify the election" admission), and then moves on?
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That's essentially my thought. Lay out the talking points and then pivot to talking about winning *this* time and then make elections hygiene a central platform plank. Shut down any further questioning with your standard points and let the press shout at each other about how much of a liar you are, while laying out your plans.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 20, 2022 04:58 PM (DU+/6)

51 *Ssshhh*

Listening to Rat Salad.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at April 20, 2022 04:59 PM (x8Wzq)

52 48 It's not an automatic loser to "talk about the past".... if you do it in the context of the present.

Why are we here? Stolen Election. Why is congress so dysfunctional? Stolen Elections. Why does over three quarters of the nation feel they have no representation in Washington? Stolen Elections.

Make it a Big Issue. Nobody cares about one man's sour grapes. EVERYONE (ok, *almost* everyone) cares about a completely broken pseudo-aristocracy masquerading as a liberal democracy.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 20, 2022 04:58 PM (6FeV1)

With the key part being, "And here's what I intend to do about it..."

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 20, 2022 04:59 PM (KbCG3)

53 Meh. It's a start.

What he needs to do with a reporter is lunge out of his chair, produce a riding crop, and flog the motherless bastard within an inch of his worthless life on live television.

Set the tone for '24.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 20, 2022 04:58 PM (UGDPW)

"Hey man, nice crop"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 20, 2022 04:59 PM (6FeV1)

54 Don't get why Trump even bothered.
Posted by: SMH at God's grace

Agree…but once he engaged he was obligated and should have been prepared to make his case fully because it’s a great case to make. These media stick figures are easy to knock down. As an aside, I think this is where DeSantis excels.

Posted by: 7man at April 20, 2022 04:59 PM (qwO6y)

55 "Maybe Trump just needs a three minute answer that sums up the rigging in a general way, his five most unassailable points (citing that Time Magazine "fortify the election" admission), and then moves on?"

Bingo. In fact, it needs to a a 30-second or 1-minute long answer, at most. No one ever gets to talk for more than a minute without interruptions on cable news. Once they start interrupting you with questions, diversions, etc., you've lost the thread and the audience.

The main rhetorical approach should be on winning elections in the future. Doesn't mean you ignore what happened. You say you want to be sure it doesn't happen in the future. But this isn't what most voters, epecially swing voters, care about.

Trump and the America First folks in general have a great sales pitch for most voters, and it doesn't include a deep focus on the last election. When you're talking about the last election, you're not talking about the next one.

Posted by: Rusty Trawler at April 20, 2022 04:59 PM (1gif2)

56 First answer:

Government election agencies should not take money from private organizations. It's a fact that hundreds of millions of dollars from Mark Zuckerberg were used in select districts that suspiciously swung the election to Biden.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 20, 2022 04:59 PM (T9FKO)

57 But enough of me telling you what I think -- it's time for you to tell me what I think.

*blinks*

I'm allowed to do that?

Posted by: Emmie at April 20, 2022 04:59 PM (t62xj)

58 Piers Morgan has always been a douchnozzle.

Posted by: Jewells45 at April 20, 2022 04:59 PM (nxdel)

59 Is this shitshow broadcast in the US anywhere or is it a streaming thing?

I seriously had no idea Pierced Morgan was still on anywhere.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 20, 2022 05:00 PM (Zz0t1)

60 >>>Okay, and, what, exactly, are we supposed to think when you tell us we're supposed to tell you what we think you think?


you know just say "take the rest of the week off and garrett's a fag" or something

Posted by: ace at April 20, 2022 05:00 PM (0G13K)

61 What he needs to do with a reporter is lunge out of his chair, produce a riding crop, and flog the motherless bastard within an inch of his worthless life on live television.

Set the tone for '24.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 20, 2022 04:58 PM (UGDPW)

Gutta-percha cane. For historical reasons.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 20, 2022 05:00 PM (II3Gr)

62 Agrre Ace.

Trump needs 3-5 examples of irregularities, TIME magazine, say why is it that 5 swing states all stopped counting at 2 a.m. and finish with Hillary and Abrams governorship.

And then simply state: I can't change the past but I'm going to tell you what I'm going to do to help change the future.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at April 20, 2022 05:00 PM (Iu0zc)

63 Trump is fighting Pierce Morgan while DeSantis is kicking Mickey in the balls.

Posted by: Looking at the headlines at April 20, 2022 05:00 PM (ZvWID)

64 I don't blame him. The fraudulent election is/was the most colossal damaging event that has ever happened in this country. Why should he get over it? Why should he move on? It really needs, somehow, to be reckoned with. Everything has gone to hell since he left office.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 20, 2022 05:00 PM (T7ftm)

65 OT, but apparently the German government funded a hate-speech map. Breitbart made the cut. A few others I recognize.

Ace's cruelty, as far as I can see, did not land him on the page.

https://twitter.com/pmarca/status
/1516860142737780736


The map is strictly of Twitter accounts as far as I can tell, and whatever alt Ace uses now to grab Steve Inman videos for us doesn't post.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 20, 2022 05:00 PM (ZGrMX)

66 I just look at what Trump did for Youngkin in VA. I bet a lot of people that are all on the Trump must stop talking about 2020 were saying Youngkin shouldn't have Trump at all. But he did. And what was it Trump did? Urge people to vote because they needed to overcome the margin of fraud. And that was the extent of Trump's campaigning in Virginia you could claim was about the 2020 election. But some still will want to try and claim if he runs all he'll do is talk about 2020.

Posted by: buzzion at April 20, 2022 05:00 PM (vMCab)

67 Agree…but once he engaged he was obligated and should have been prepared to make his case fully because it’s a great case to make.
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Seems to me that all this accomplished is that the MFM will be able to use this as another talking point about orangemanbad.

Posted by: SMH at God's grace at April 20, 2022 05:00 PM (/DXve)

68 Trump repeatedly agrees to interviews with hostile media. Rarely will they edit the result fairly. The result is this kind of aggravation.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at April 20, 2022 05:00 PM (/4ysB)

69 Well, Ace, you're right of course. I cannot understand why Donald J Trump is SUCH an easy mark for media types. He's probably just past learning at this point.

Posted by: Black Orchid at April 20, 2022 05:01 PM (j9HX3)

70 No. We don't have a press, we have propaganda organs. Every single one of them, to the last man.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 20, 2022 04:57 PM (DU+/6)

It was always thus.... except back in the day, those organs had at least some chance of belonging to different bodies.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 20, 2022 05:01 PM (6FeV1)

71
Any and All talk of "nazis" is Verboten in Germany.
This was done after WWII to keep the Germans in check and humble. Enter: the irony.

Today, German citizens can't even call out their own govt for being nazis! They are to keep their mouths shut. Indeed, any criticism of the current German govt is Verboten under the "No Speak Nazi" rule, I suppose. Just like we saw in Canada.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at April 20, 2022 05:01 PM (+ikQy)

72 Make it a Big Issue. Nobody cares about one man's sour grapes. EVERYONE (ok, *almost* everyone) cares about a completely broken pseudo-aristocracy masquerading as a liberal democracy.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 20, 2022 04:58 PM (6FeV1)
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Right. The part that comes after "it was shady as hell and stolen from me and here are my brief talking points that are all you get" *must* be "and this is the plan I want to pursue federally and with the state Secretaries of State to fix our broken elections system so we ensure fair and honest representation for Americans in their government."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 20, 2022 05:01 PM (DU+/6)

73 Chrissie Mayr is about to go live with CatTurd.

https://youtu.be/aYCN5Q3WwQI
Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at April 20, 2022 04:55 PM (+ikQy)



I guess I'm not part of the in crowd if I have no earthly idea what this means?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 20, 2022 05:01 PM (Zz0t1)

74 Hey Jewells : )

Posted by: SMH at God's grace at April 20, 2022 05:01 PM (/DXve)

75 chrissy Mayr's impressions are so great

Posted by: ace at April 20, 2022 05:02 PM (0G13K)

76 News media has always been partisan but in the past it was not all one sided. Think of Fox News and how they have been vilified and ultimately turned to the communist side. The "news media" is a monolithic leftist-communist propaganda organ. No dissent is tolerated.

Goebbels and PRAVDA wish they had it so good. At least the germans and Russians knew it was all lies. more than half America think it is fact.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at April 20, 2022 05:02 PM (iDcra)

77 Trump repeatedly agrees to interviews with hostile media. Rarely will they edit the result fairly. The result is this kind of aggravation.

Trump *does* need to have canned answers for this stuff if he's going to make it a thing, though. Like, the Time article bragging about stealing the election should be the first thing he mentions.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 20, 2022 05:02 PM (ZGrMX)

78 Like Schlicter said, Trump needs a primary challenge from the right to keep him sharp.

He will destroy any RINO running to the left of him.

They are not the ones going to challenge his celebrity endorsements and awful staffing decisions.

Posted by: Valiant at April 20, 2022 05:02 PM (3MiF8)

79
Trump is forever living in his own Reality TV Show and thinks everyone else is playing along for the ratings.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at April 20, 2022 05:02 PM (+ikQy)

80 I love Trump, but coming in unprepared for this expected bullshit is typical of his Presidency. American politics is a whorehouse, you pays your money, you takes your chances - and no givebacks.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at April 20, 2022 05:02 PM (QZ/dC)

81 Hi SMH!!

Posted by: Jewells45 at April 20, 2022 05:02 PM (nxdel)

82 two big faults/blind spots for trump - his Achilles' heals as it were:

- thinks he's pals with celebs b/c he is Of the Celeb Body

- is a germaphobe

also his daughter but that's a whole nother rant from me

I still love him! just you have to be open-eyed about certain things. I would HOPE he'd get Rich Z back or someone like that who can talk straight to him (and he'll listen)

Posted by: Black Orchid at April 20, 2022 05:02 PM (j9HX3)

83 It was always thus.... except back in the day, those organs had at least some chance of belonging to different bodies.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 20, 2022 05:01 PM (6FeV1)
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Yup. They still do. There are different factions in government, and the papers follow those different factions. Looking for the points of *disagreement* between the NYT and the WaPo is the best way to get an indication of what the factions are fighting about.

But nobody represents anything outside of a state faction.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 20, 2022 05:03 PM (DU+/6)

84 Trump, as always, has the right instincts but not too great at articulating them. Elections an easy topic to demagogue. Has been for decades. Plus, in this case, they have the Jan 6 jailings and prosecutions (sham that they are) to bolster their legitimacy.

If I were advising him it would be to hammer home its not about re-litigating the past but answering the question, "Why should anyone care to vote in the future?" Is not the first step admitting you have a problem?

Posted by: David at April 20, 2022 05:03 PM (5uXrb)

85
you know just say "take the rest of the week off and garrett's a fag" or something
Posted by: ace at April 20, 2022 05:00 PM (0G13K)



I just spewed water everywhere........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 20, 2022 05:03 PM (Zz0t1)

86 my God. my typing. I blame Wordle.

Posted by: Black Orchid at April 20, 2022 05:03 PM (j9HX3)

87
I guess I'm not part of the in crowd if I have no earthly idea what this means?
Posted by: Sponge


It's CatTurd, dude. Everyone knows Catturd.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at April 20, 2022 05:03 PM (+ikQy)

88
Gutta-percha cane. For historical reasons.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 20, 2022 05:00 PM (II3Gr)

I'm guessing that's a Sumner-Brooks reference. Nice work.

And yeah - that kind of brutal physical violence toward the Left is what I want from our politicians, and not a whit less than that.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 20, 2022 05:03 PM (UGDPW)

89 Wasn't it Piers Morgan that Jeremy Clarkson decked, ultimately resulting in the cancellation of Top Gear? Or am I misremembering that?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 20, 2022 05:03 PM (DU+/6)

90 The cucks at National Review have this on their front page:
"Ron DeSantis’s Misguided Attack on Disney’s Legal Status By CHARLES C. W. CUCK
The governor already won. There is no need for the Republican Party of Florida to salt the earth."

Wrong!

Crush your enemies.
See them driven before you
Hear the lamentation of the women (or of the trannies)!

Posted by: Conan at April 20, 2022 05:04 PM (EughT)

91 66 I just look at what Trump did for Youngkin in VA. I bet a lot of people that are all on the Trump must stop talking about 2020 were saying Youngkin shouldn't have Trump at all. But he did. And what was it Trump did? Urge people to vote because they needed to overcome the margin of fraud. And that was the extent of Trump's campaigning in Virginia you could claim was about the 2020 election. But some still will want to try and claim if he runs all he'll do is talk about 2020.
Posted by: buzzion at April 20, 2022 05:00 PM (vMCab)

That was more the doing of the Loudon County parents who protested the violation of their children than anything Trump said.

A TV interview is simply the wrong format to make a complicated case for something as complex as the voter fraud that took place in 2020. You need a quick (30-second tops) sound bite on it and then you need to move on to things most voters care about. Especially when the issues environment is as target-rich as this one is.

Posted by: Rusty Trawler at April 20, 2022 05:04 PM (1gif2)

92 So yeah, Trump better have a better response then walking out of every interview other than Fox News.

This was probably a "testing the waters" situation to see how hostile the complicate media is going to be for a 2024 run.

He got his answer. Amber Heard hostile.

Posted by: WisRich at April 20, 2022 05:04 PM (G0vdT)

93 Wasn't it Piers Morgan that Jeremy Clarkson decked, ultimately resulting in the cancellation of Top Gear? Or am I misremembering that?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 20, 2022 05:03 PM (DU+/6)



He did, but that's not what led to the big 3 leaving Top Gear.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 20, 2022 05:04 PM (Zz0t1)

94 As Buck pointed out the other day, they're doing this to all GOP candidates at all levels, even county councils. It's not just Trump.

Posted by: Hands at April 20, 2022 05:04 PM (786Ro)

95 How about the extreme close-ups with saturated colors?

Scumbags

Posted by: JoeF. at April 20, 2022 05:04 PM (mR6Gs)

96 Until he gets the respect he deserves as a POTUS. he should walk out of every one of those Megyn-type interviews and questions.

Posted by: cjhmhch at April 20, 2022 05:04 PM (PoYG7)

97 You wanna know how I know this tactic is a loser for Trump? Just look at the comments in this thread.

Also, garret's a fag.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 20, 2022 05:04 PM (a1CRn)

98 complicit

Posted by: WisRich at April 20, 2022 05:04 PM (G0vdT)

99 I don't think this is a win for Trump because I don't think Trump can really win on this issue. He's constantly going to have to be talking about the past, which means he's not going to be talking about stuff most voters -- normies, I mean, not really invested people like us -- care about.
___

This^

Yes, we know the election was stolen.
We also know that it being corrected and rectified is nil.
So what do you do?
For those of us wondering if we'll have a job, or food, six months from now, living in the past is a luxury we cannot afford.

Posted by: SMH at God's grace at April 20, 2022 05:05 PM (/DXve)

100 take the rest of the week off and garrett's a fag"

It's a little early for either but I'm not in EDT timezone.

Posted by: DaveA at April 20, 2022 05:05 PM (FhXTo)

101 Good on Trump

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at April 20, 2022 05:05 PM (V6f9+)

102 Their grandparents weren't stupid enough to rack up annual debt 3-5 times the national median income, or to major in commie BS "studies" and expect to get a return on their investment.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 20, 2022 04:42 PM (llON

Their grandparents were certainly fucking dumb enough, when they were 18-19, to take the advice to go to college. Same course of action, just different result.

When Occupy hobos say "I was following the rules, I was doing what I was told" I believe them because Mike Rowe (for example) has described exactly what the message has been.

Posted by: Bourbonchicken at April 20, 2022 05:05 PM (44ww/)

103 Trump....psssst.

"The relevant court cases have been decided that's what matters about the past. Now it's how voters feel about their election integrity within their states that's important for the future. I feel what investigation and audit findings that have been uncovered validate those concerns"

Follow up for when the issue gets pushed.

"Do I think democrats cheat? Absolutely, I think most people believe or at least suspect that, the question is who and how much."

You're welcome.

Posted by: mikethemoose at April 20, 2022 05:05 PM (RXMLU)

104 You wanna know how I know this tactic is a loser for Trump? Just look at the comments in this thread.

Also, garret's a fag.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 20, 2022 05:04 PM (a1CRn)



Well, to be fair, it's snippets put together by Morgan's producers, so they're not going to give you the parts that make Trump look good, so there's always that.

And garrett's a fag.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 20, 2022 05:06 PM (Zz0t1)

105 You wanna know how I know this tactic is a loser for Trump? Just look at the comments in this thread.

Also, garret's a fag.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 20, 2022 05:04 PM (a1CRn)
==

One of those is correct.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at April 20, 2022 05:06 PM (iDcra)

106 The Left has flipped the script, as usual.
Now, Trump is the guy trying to overturn a free and fair election.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 20, 2022 05:06 PM (jTmQV)

107 I agree with the idea that he must have a brief elevator speech in his hip pocket (including definitive steps to be taken to restore election integrity) and dispense with the issue quickly in speeches and interviews.
But then focus on the agenda for his next term.

You can't move on to the next chapter if you're still re-reading the last one.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at April 20, 2022 05:06 PM (yENZo)

108 stolen from me

stolen from The American People.

Posted by: DaveA at April 20, 2022 05:06 PM (FhXTo)

109 I guess I'm not part of the in crowd if I have no earthly idea what this means?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 20, 2022 05:01 PM (Zz0t1)

I believe that Catturd is a conservative Twitterer with some following by conservatives on Twitter.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 20, 2022 05:06 PM (fF2aM)

110
This is why the Democrats were able to steal the election: Trump played along with Media Farce for 4 years and was reduced to a clown.

Democrats saw that Trump wanted to be a Reality TV Star and they said Okay, Let's Help Him Drag His Presidency Down Into The Mud With Us.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at April 20, 2022 05:07 PM (+ikQy)

111 That was more the doing of the Loudon County parents who protested the violation of their children than anything Trump said.

A TV interview is simply the wrong format to make a complicated case for something as complex as the voter fraud that took place in 2020. You need a quick (30-second tops) sound bite on it and then you need to move on to things most voters care about. Especially when the issues environment is as target-rich as this one is.
Posted by: Rusty Trawler at April 20, 2022 05:04 PM (1gif2)



You missed my point.

Posted by: buzzion at April 20, 2022 05:07 PM (vMCab)

112 99% of Republican politicians repeatedly agrees to interviews with hostile media. Rarely will they edit the result fairly.


FIFY

Posted by: Hands at April 20, 2022 05:07 PM (786Ro)

113 57 But enough of me telling you what I think -- it's time for you to tell me what I think.

*blinks*

I'm allowed to do that?
Posted by: Emmie at April 20, 2022 04:59 PM (t62xj)

IT'S A TRAP.

Posted by: m at April 20, 2022 05:07 PM (CRS/E)

114 One other thing is that the "stolen election" narrative may be a useful out for former Biden voters now regretful of their decision. It allows them to shift some of the blame from themselves to the political class.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 20, 2022 05:07 PM (iaoSJ)

115 He did, but that's not what led to the big 3 leaving Top Gear.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 20, 2022 05:04 PM (Zz0t1)
--------------

Didn't Clarkson, May and Hammond leave because the BBC wanted them to become more politically correct or some such?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 20, 2022 05:07 PM (5pTK/)

116 Yes, we know the election was stolen.
We also know that it being corrected and rectified is nil.
So what do you do?
For those of us wondering if we'll have a job, or food, six months from now, living in the past is a luxury we cannot afford.
Posted by: SMH at God's grace at April 20, 2022 05:05 PM (/DXve)

If you want to actually overthrow a regime you remind people that things wouldn't be so bad if the election hadn't been stolen by Biden. This is all the fault of the usurper is a pretty classic call for regime change.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 20, 2022 05:07 PM (z5Vrg)

117 So there I was fucking garret in the ass and he reaches back and tickles my balls. I'm thinking is garret a fag or what?

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at April 20, 2022 05:07 PM (iDcra)

118 You can't move on to the next chapter if you're still re-reading the last one.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at April 20, 2022 05:06 PM (yENZo)

You can't move on to the next chapter if the asshole next to you has lit the previous one on fire with a bic lighter.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 20, 2022 05:07 PM (6FeV1)

119
I believe that Catturd is a conservative Twitterer with some following by conservatives on Twitter.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 20, 2022 05:06 PM (fF2aM)



Ah.....Not on the twatters, so I guess I'm out of the loop there.

Go catturd.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 20, 2022 05:07 PM (Zz0t1)

120 Continuing the Old Scratch talk from the prior thread . . .

I don't think Satan has a side per se. He uses people in an instrumental way, but that does not make them his people. He may be using them to try to destroy others, but he's destroying his instruments too. As the book says, he's here to kill, steal, and destroy. You can't be on his side in any but the most temporary, ephemeral way.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 20, 2022 05:07 PM (ppBhU)

121 When Occupy hobos say "I was following the rules, I was doing what I was told" I believe them because Mike Rowe (for example) has described exactly what the message has been.
Posted by: Bourbonchicken at April 20, 2022 05:05 PM (44ww/)

Occupy hobos aren't the only ones. Entire generations have been sold a bill of goods, across all manners of political and socioeconomic strata.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 20, 2022 05:07 PM (II3Gr)

122 Trump is never going to get fair treatment from the media. They are going to weaponize everything they can to defeat him. I have no idea why he won't get that message and focus on things that really matter.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 20, 2022 05:08 PM (a1CRn)

123 Didn't Clarkson, May and Hammond leave because the BBC wanted them to become more politically correct or some such?

Clarkson punched out a producer or something, didn't he? I think that was the actual cause of them leaving.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 20, 2022 05:08 PM (ZGrMX)

124 You bet your ass Democrats cheat.
"It worked, didn't it?"
Whorehouse Harry Reid

Posted by: torabora at April 20, 2022 05:08 PM (f4V8u)

125 Probably already mentioned, but didn't we just have a commenter spit out about 5 or 6 stock answers that should be used for just this type of questioning?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 20, 2022 05:08 PM (BFigT)

126
stolen from me

stolen from The American People.
Posted by: DaveA at April 20, 2022 05:06 PM (FhXTo

Yup. One of the curious things to me about Trump's undeniable political skills is that, while he is probably the most egotistical living human being, he was always about "we" and "us" and "you" whenever he spoke in public. He gets that part of it. Almost nobody else in politics does, because of their incredibly flawed personalities.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 20, 2022 05:08 PM (UGDPW)

127 it's time for you to repeat back to me my thoughts"
Posted by: ace at April 20, 2022 04:57 PM (0G13K)

Is there a quiz involved because today I'm lucky that I can recall my own name.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 20, 2022 05:08 PM (fF2aM)

128 Remember the good ol' days when the MSM never ever dragged W. through the mud? Good times.

Remember the good ol' days when the MSM never ever dragged Geo HW Bush through the mud? Good times.

Remember the good ol' days when the MSM never ever dragged Reagan through the mud? Good times.

Posted by: Hands at April 20, 2022 05:08 PM (786Ro)

129
Didn't Clarkson, May and Hammond leave because the BBC wanted them to become more politically correct or some such?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 20, 2022 05:07 PM (5pTK/)



BBC was going after Clarkson because of his off color stuff and the other 2 said "We're a package deal" and all 3 walked.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 20, 2022 05:09 PM (Zz0t1)

130 Entire generations have been sold a bill of goods, across all manners of political and socioeconomic strata.
___

This is true.

Posted by: SMH at God's grace at April 20, 2022 05:09 PM (/DXve)

131 But then focus on the agenda for his next term.


While whispering Vengeance .

Posted by: DaveA at April 20, 2022 05:09 PM (FhXTo)

132 117 So there I was fucking garret in the ass and he reaches back and tickles my balls. I'm thinking is garret a fag or what?
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at April 20, 2022 05:07 PM (iDcra)

That down-low dood from L&O: SVU: "Is it ghey if you have relationships with women and sex with men?"

Posted by: Thrawn at April 20, 2022 05:09 PM (Rl7KJ)

133 There has always been the possibility that Trump knows his role well. He's been using and been used by media his whole public life. He brought the TEA Party inclination to life with leadership. His using EOs proved the wholesomeness of his policies to the common-man's life. But EOs get reversed too easily. And him being a germophobe made him a sitting duck for the COVID scam and the hit to all little guys and THEIR economy. Covid masking provided vote fraudsters cover (who were those guys?) and unprecedented levels of vote fraud. Great choices for AG had most of wondering "what happened to the the YOU'RE FIRED guy."

Loved Trump's policies; hate the wake he left behind.

Posted by: Pascal at April 20, 2022 05:09 PM (vp1+5)

134 I agree with the general idea that the election was unfair and "rigged" in a general way.

In no possible world is a court going to step in and call a do-over and install Trump.

No, but the fact is the political establishment shut down vote counts in seven states, asserting that the counting had stopped, and then when we got up in the morning, they admitted they had counted through the night, and SURPRISE! Biden was up by just enough to not trigger recounts.

We should not treat the federal government as legitimate until everyone involved has been harshly punished.

If that means never treating it as legitimate, then so be it.

Posted by: Methos at April 20, 2022 05:09 PM (kOpft)

135 106 The Left has flipped the script, as usual.
Now, Trump is the guy trying to overturn a free and fair election.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 20, 2022 05:06 PM (jTmQV)

Fair or not when someone makes an accusation you're already behind. Which is the left's actual position.

The fact that an accusation they've stolen the election has been leveled already sows doubt. The arguments and propaganda are less material. They'll never be able to reduce that accusation and corresponding suspicion to a pristine state.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 20, 2022 05:09 PM (z5Vrg)

136 Brandon actually grabbed pussy.
Crickets...

Posted by: torabora at April 20, 2022 05:09 PM (f4V8u)

137 no i didn't mean it like that, I meant it like, "it's time for you to repeat back to me my thoughts"
Posted by: ace


"I don't want to hear what you think. I want to hear what I think, coming out of your face"

Shorter Ace probably.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at April 20, 2022 05:10 PM (Rz2V5)

138 In their real or imagined recent history, controlling Twitter's content policy was tantamount to deciding the two last presidential races. Mr. Trump, after all, used Twitter to bypass a hostile national media and assemble his winning coalition in 2016. In 2020, progressives used Twitter to quash the laptop story before Election Day and, in their minds at least, to stop a coup after Jan. 6 by kicking Mr. Trump off the platform.

Uniparty types really believe this stuff, and think free markets in ideas loses elections. For that reason, Trump interviews will always be few in number, always carefully "curated" and editorial narratives will dominate. He's a dangerous man, in their eyes.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at April 20, 2022 05:10 PM (H/5eJ)

139 Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 20, 2022 05:07 PM (Zz0t1)

I'm not on it either, but other people I read sometimes quote her; I think it's a she.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 20, 2022 05:10 PM (fF2aM)

140 We should not treat the federal government as legitimate until everyone involved has been harshly punished.

If that means never treating it as legitimate, then so be it.
Posted by: Methos at April 20, 2022 05:09 PM (kOpft)

And the more people that believes this the better.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 20, 2022 05:10 PM (z5Vrg)

141 We should not treat the federal government as legitimate until everyone involved has been harshly punished.
___

Which is why I don't vote.
I refuse to participate.

My own way of going Galt, if you will.

Posted by: SMH at God's grace at April 20, 2022 05:10 PM (/DXve)

142 125 Probably already mentioned, but didn't we just have a commenter spit out about 5 or 6 stock answers that should be used for just this type of questioning?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 20, 2022 05:08 PM (BFigT)

I'd like to see him do it mechanically, by rote, obviously reciting word for word, like a mantra.

"Hello. My name is Donald Trump. You stole my election. Prepare to die."

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 20, 2022 05:10 PM (6FeV1)

143 Trumps is going to have to learn how to finesse this question somehow, like say, "Yeah, it was rigged-- but it's too late to do anything about that now, so let me tell you what I intend you do when I win THIS election...."

Maybe-- just maybe-- by the time Trump has officially announced and is actively campaigning, more information will come out that will make his claims seem less outlandish than they might to some people today.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 20, 2022 05:10 PM (mR6Gs)

144 So there I was fucking garret in the ass and he reaches back and tickles my balls. I'm thinking is garret a fag or what?

Garrett's at least heard of common courtesy.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 20, 2022 05:11 PM (ZGrMX)

145 You can't move on to the next chapter when your opponents are continuing to burn all the books they burned in 2020 while fully intending to burn 2022, 2024, 2028, because you let them get away with it.

Posted by: Hands at April 20, 2022 05:11 PM (786Ro)

146 The 2020 election should have an asterisk in the history books.

Footnote: stolen fair and square

Posted by: torabora at April 20, 2022 05:11 PM (f4V8u)

147 BBC was going after Clarkson because of his off color stuff and the other 2 said "We're a package deal" and all 3 walked.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at April 20, 2022 05:09 PM (Zz0t1)
--------------

The complete irreverence of the show is what makes it so good. Heck, now that we've run out of episodes of "Grant Tour" I've since introduced my wife to old Top Gear episodes and she's still laughing.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 20, 2022 05:12 PM (5pTK/)

148 DJT needs som good solid answers and returns, but I have no problem with the subject. I have read 4 books on the election fraud and if not addressed they will do it again.

Posted by: Skip at April 20, 2022 05:12 PM (2JoB8)

149 I'll give Trump this. This was supposed to sensationalist promo. Even showing Trump walking out.

Well, every interview ends with a "were done" or "turn the cameras off" otherwise the interviewer would keep on going.

I'm thinking this may be a more benign ending.

Posted by: WisRich at April 20, 2022 05:12 PM (G0vdT)

150 Were you on the pier or underway? This makes all the difference...

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 20, 2022 05:12 PM (II3Gr)

151 I sense that this thread may descend into a very dark place.

*leans back, sips from office bourbon flask*

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at April 20, 2022 05:13 PM (x8Wzq)

152 Given the scope of the fraud, I'd like to see the discussion continued loudly and longly until people get it and act to prevent it in the future.

Posted by: moviegique at April 20, 2022 05:13 PM (asXVI)

153 Voter integrity has become a Top 3 issue with voters since 2020.

This isn't just Trump talking up something he and only he is interested in.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking great in a trenchcoat and fedora with JP Melville

*****

100% this.

Not talking about it only helps the establishment.

Posted by: Venus at April 20, 2022 05:13 PM (YVBLw)

154 I wonder how Deathsantis would have handled that limey douchenozzle.
I have a feeling Piers would have been the one walking out.

Posted by: Bosk at April 20, 2022 05:13 PM (x6uUk)

155 I know people that before 2020 refuse to vote because it doesn't do any good.

Posted by: torabora at April 20, 2022 05:13 PM (f4V8u)

156 Given the scope of the fraud, I'd like to see the discussion continued loudly and longly until people get it and act to prevent it in the future.
Posted by: moviegique at April 20, 2022 05:13 PM (asXVI)

---------------

Yep.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 20, 2022 05:13 PM (5pTK/)

157 Often times - the point of the interview is to get the subject to walk out - on camara - so the interviewer can proceed with "see, he couldn't take the heat of my truth!"

Its ego versus ego - Trump really needs to stop doing these things with marginal egotistical media talents like Morgan.

Nothing is gained for Trump and it hypes Morgan way over his intellectual heft.

Posted by: Boswell at April 20, 2022 05:14 PM (5iUNf)

158 68 Trump repeatedly agrees to interviews with hostile media. Rarely will they edit the result fairly. The result is this kind of aggravation.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at April 20, 2022 05:00 PM (/4ysB)

Yup. Trump and other conservative politicians can't always avoid doing interviews, so the best solution is to insist that they be broadcast live. No two-hour videotaped interviews that they can later edit to make you look like an idiot. (This is such a favored tactic of the MSM. It's what they did to Sarah Palin, who spent two whole DAYS with an MSM crew.)

Posted by: Rusty Trawler at April 20, 2022 05:14 PM (1gif2)

159 "it's time for you to tell me what I think."

Are you saying__________________________
______________________________________
________________________________EABOD?

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at April 20, 2022 05:14 PM (+R5dc)

160 151 I sense that this thread may descend into a very dark place.

*leans back, sips from office bourbon flask*
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at April 20, 2022 05:13 PM (x8Wzq)

Here in the freezing cold dark all you can hear are the screams of your fellow damned, drowning out your own.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 20, 2022 05:14 PM (II3Gr)

161 If you want to actually overthrow a regime you remind people that things wouldn't be so bad if the election hadn't been stolen by Biden. This is all the fault of the usurper is a pretty classic call for regime change.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 20, 2022 05:07 PM (z5Vrg)

Trump may not even have to point this out.
Things might be so awful in the summer and fall of 2024 that Trump could waltz right back into the White House.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 20, 2022 05:14 PM (mR6Gs)

162 Trump took a long walk off a short Piers

Posted by: Busted Can of Biscuits at April 20, 2022 05:14 PM (2cfUo)

163 154 I wonder how Deathsantis would have handled that limey douchenozzle.
I have a feeling Piers would have been the one walking out.
Posted by: Bosk at April 20, 2022 05:13 PM (x6uUk)

He would have been smacked mid-forehead by a Pushaw spitball from the far corner of the room.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 20, 2022 05:14 PM (6FeV1)

164
I wonder how Deathsantis would have handled that limey douchenozzle.
I have a feeling Piers would have been the one walking out.
Posted by: Bosk at April 20, 2022 05:13 PM (x6uUk)

It's not too late for Ron to start carrying a gutta-percha cane.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 20, 2022 05:15 PM (UGDPW)

165 In no possible world is a court going to step in and call a do-over and install Trump.
---
Who is saying that's what Trump wants? Not Trump, that I've ever seen.

The media, that's who.
By pushing the ridiculous, impossible remedy, that allows them to dismiss the actual crime.

I don't think we should be falling for that deception.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 20, 2022 05:15 PM (oF8uZ)

166 The only thing that could be better than the Left constantly talking about how the Right believes they steal elections is if they constantly talked about how the Right believes they're pedophiles.

Normal Person: "Why do they think you're a pedophile? Do they have a reason for that? Maybe I should ask them."

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 20, 2022 05:15 PM (z5Vrg)

167 Are you saying__________________________
______________________________________
________________________________EABOD?
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at April 20, 2022 05:14 PM (+R5dc)

EMGLSB.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 20, 2022 05:15 PM (6FeV1)

168 It's not too late for Ron to start carrying a gutta-percha cane.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 20, 2022 05:15 PM (UGDPW)

And tire irons.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 20, 2022 05:15 PM (II3Gr)

169 I learned here this morning that if we don't obsess over the 2020 election then we'll lose the republic or something. So...we got that going for us

Posted by: 29Victor at April 20, 2022 05:16 PM (BJKQV)

170 Voting has become a farce, sadly.
We all saw it coming.
DMV Motor voter laws date back to the Clinton admin.
Early voting, mail in voting.
Announcing that the results won't be known for days or weeks after the election.
More ballots than voters.
People voting who've been dead for decades.
Here we are. This is "our democracy".

Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 20, 2022 05:16 PM (jTmQV)

171 68 Trump repeatedly agrees to interviews with hostile media. Rarely will they edit the result fairly. The result is this kind of aggravation.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions

**********

Better than being a pussy and not agreeing to the interview.

Know why Hispanics are coming around to the GOP? Because of Trump and his willingness to fight the way he does and his balls to walk into the lion's den. We like that, not the wimpy guys like Pence, et al.

Posted by: Venus at April 20, 2022 05:16 PM (YVBLw)

172 Rmoney lost simply because millions of evangelical christians refused to vote for the asshole Mormon.

It was a tossup whether asshole or Morman.

Posted by: torabora at April 20, 2022 05:16 PM (f4V8u)

173 I understand wanting to get the truth out about the election fraud because it needs to be hammered the fuck home,but with Piers?!

Posted by: sidney at April 20, 2022 05:17 PM (Uy/WF)

174 I know people that before 2020 refuse to vote because it doesn't do any good.
Posted by: torabora at April 20, 2022 05:13 PM (f4V8u)


And I don't really blame them, but I'm guessing they also don't run for office. That to me is the conundrum for Trump. If 2020 was stolen from him and nothing is really changed, why run? If 2020 was stolen, and we've fixed the problem, then why dwell on it?

Posted by: Wally at April 20, 2022 05:17 PM (FJYfm)

175 Romney lost because he's a soft-ass loser of a candidate.

Posted by: ballistic at April 20, 2022 05:17 PM (oXNqT)

176
And I get that Trump isn't as rich as a lot of guys, but he's still pretty damned rich.

You'd figure he could arrange to have one of these interviews, but then when the little bastard gets mouthy, press the button that releases the trained panther from the ceiling above the guy's chair.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 20, 2022 05:18 PM (UGDPW)

177 Democrats: Let's relitigate slavery, Russiagate, the 2000 election, actions by the British against native Americans, oh and the Rittenhouse case. Forever.

Republicans: Gosh democracy was overthrown like 2 whole tears ago. But we refused to investigate, when we did investigate, no one was charged, but come oooow you guys. Let's do nothing and plan for 2024 where the same thing totally won't happen.

Posted by: Karen at April 20, 2022 05:18 PM (nWdqr)

178 When someone tries to blindside DeSantis like this he handles it like a pro.

Posted by: 29Victor at April 20, 2022 05:18 PM (BJKQV)

179 Either Trump has bad handlers or Trump can't be handled.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 20, 2022 05:18 PM (4fSQf)

180 I wonder how Deathsantis would have handled that limey douchenozzle.
I have a feeling Piers would have been the one walking out.
Posted by: Bosk at April 20, 2022 05:13 PM (x6uUk)

Doubtful that Ron DeSantis would have done it. He's not built with the Donald Trump desire for exposure, even if its bad. Yeah - Morgan looks like a douche in the clip. But you look like a douche for giving a douche like Morgan all the exposure he craves. Why?

Posted by: Boswell at April 20, 2022 05:18 PM (5iUNf)

181 Trump woulda won bigly in 2016 and 2020 if only he never ever talked to the media. Amiright?

Posted by: Hands at April 20, 2022 05:18 PM (786Ro)

182 You'd figure he could arrange to have one of these interviews, but then when the little bastard gets mouthy, press the button that releases the trained panther from the ceiling above the guy's chair.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 20, 2022 05:18 PM (UGDPW)

Drop the chair into the fire chamber, a la Dr. Evil.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 20, 2022 05:18 PM (II3Gr)

183 I know people that before 2020 refuse to vote because it doesn't do any good.
Posted by: torabora at April 20, 2022 05:13 PM (f4V8u)

SMH and I live in Illinois, where fixed elections in America get their primary model of inspiration.

Posted by: Methos at April 20, 2022 05:18 PM (kOpft)

184 Some "Republicans" only want us to complain about what the Left has given permission to us to complain about.

I wish I could personally hang them myself.

Trump is a good filter, separating those who are more concerned about Civility and Etiquette than Liberty.

Posted by: Not Fen at April 20, 2022 05:18 PM (NUkEv)

185 179 Either Trump has bad handlers or Trump can't be handled.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 20, 2022 05:18 PM (4fSQf)

Both

Posted by: It's me donna at April 20, 2022 05:18 PM (+HFDN)

186
Catturd has a southern accent. Who knew.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at April 20, 2022 05:18 PM (+ikQy)

187 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 20, 2022 05:10 PM (fF2aM)

Cat Turd is a guy. I follow him on Twitter.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 20, 2022 05:18 PM (nC+QA)

188 "it's time for you to repeat back to me my thoughts"

[walks over bookshelf, opens secret panel]

Any station this net, any station this net... Mrs Smith needs a new fur coat, I say again, Mrs Smith needs a new fur coat...how copy, over.

Posted by: Not Fen at April 20, 2022 05:19 PM (NUkEv)

189 Ace is right though, and I've made this point here in the past.

If Trump is going to run (and win) in '24, he absolutely must find a way to stop talking about 2020.

Yes, he was jobbed. But like a football team that lost because the refs made a series of terrible calls, the head coach cannot go into the next game still pissing and whining about the last game. It's loser talk, and nobody wants to hear that shit.

Posted by: ballistic at April 20, 2022 05:19 PM (oXNqT)

190 Remember the good ol' days when the MSM never ever dragged W. through the mud? Good times.

Remember the good ol' days when the MSM never ever dragged Geo HW Bush through the mud? Good times.

Remember the good ol' days when the MSM never ever dragged Reagan through the mud? Good times.

--

Are you saying there's a pattern?

Posted by: Ford, Nixon, Eisenhower, Hoover, Coolidge and Harding at April 20, 2022 05:19 PM (+R5dc)

191 If 2020 was stolen from him and nothing is really changed, why run? If 2020 was stolen, and we've fixed the problem, then why dwell on it?

Because there's still time to make the necessary changes. Whether the will exists is a different question.

Posted by: Keanu Reeves at April 20, 2022 05:19 PM (ZsR3z)

192
Drop the chair into the fire chamber, a la Dr. Evil.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 20, 2022 05:18 PM (II3Gr)

Eh, that's pretty good.

But if I'm ever in a position to do that sort of thing, it's "ravenous jungle cats," all the way. I love big cats. And hate reporters.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 20, 2022 05:19 PM (UGDPW)

193 @25

>>That's odd because Morgan was pro-Trump as I recall and okay on one or two other issues despite his anti 2nd Amendment b.s.


Morgan was brought on by the Murdochs as a favor, the Murdochs are virulently anti-Trump.

So, there's that.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 20, 2022 05:19 PM (lORQA)

194 If 2020 was stolen, and we've fixed the problem, then why dwell on it?
Posted by: Wally at April 20, 2022 05:17 PM (FJYfm)

Man that is terrible political strategy. Politicians do like to take advantage of this attitude by throwing a scapegoat under the bus when things go wrong. "It was all that guy's fault!". Ideally we run with the issue forever. We never should've stopped identifying Democrats with the KKK for instance.

Playing the gentleman and letting Democrat crimes go unpunished is not only bad policy, it is bad politics.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 20, 2022 05:20 PM (z5Vrg)

195 Bureaucrats changing voting laws is their favorite trick.
At least Pennsylvania Supreme Court recognized that it happened and was illegal...but no remedy.

USSC won't hear about it.

Posted by: torabora at April 20, 2022 05:20 PM (f4V8u)

196 Maybe Trump comes to each interview with his aides bringing in binders of legal actions and or studies about the the 2020 election and sets them up on a table.

Each time a question is asked, the aides hand him the relevant documents.

Interviewer cuts that part of interview out.

Posted by: WisRich at April 20, 2022 05:20 PM (G0vdT)

197 Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 20, 2022 05:18 PM (nC+QA)

Sorry for misgendering him.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 20, 2022 05:20 PM (fF2aM)

198 Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at April 20, 2022 05:18 PM (+ikQy)

U think he was a host of FarmAggedon, a MoMee like event, that Weird Dave and Gingy went to, so I sort of knew he was in the South but hadn't really thought it through.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 20, 2022 05:21 PM (nC+QA)

199 Trump can use the 2020 election wisely. For example:

One of my platform pieces is that we will reform election laws and stop what happened in 2020 from happening again.

Applause line: we won't let them steal another election!


Done. Standard stump speech.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 20, 2022 05:21 PM (4fSQf)

200
2012 was stolen, too.
obama had 11% unemployment in 2011, and then it went down to 7.5% by October 2012.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at April 20, 2022 05:21 PM (+ikQy)

201 136 Brandon actually grabbed pussy.
Crickets...

Posted by: torabora at April 20, 2022 05:09 PM (f4V8u)

+++

Just 3 days ago, Bogus Biden was frightened by the Easter bunny, but went ahead and took instructions on where to walk. He then stopped and mumbled something to young children about Afghanistan and Iraq. Again, he was stopped and maneuvered away from that fiasco. This is the so-called President of the United States, leader of the free world. A mindless puppet. Crickets all over the place.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 20, 2022 05:21 PM (T7ftm)

202 189 Ace is right though, and I've made this point here in the past.

If Trump is going to run (and win) in '24, he absolutely must find a way to stop talking about 2020.

Yes, he was jobbed. But like a football team that lost because the refs made a series of terrible calls, the head coach cannot go into the next game still pissing and whining about the last game. It's loser talk, and nobody wants to hear that shit.
Posted by: ballistic at April 20, 2022 05:19 PM (oXNqT)

Someone heard about Joel Embiid's conversation with the Toronto B-ball coach...

PS - I agree. He has to move his message on to 2024 and let surrogates fight his 2020 fight or he can't win...

Posted by: Nova local at April 20, 2022 05:21 PM (exHjb)

203 >>>Piers Morgan is an opportunistic scumbag. I guess you have to give interviews to some people.

>Maybe we can get Piers to run off the fucking royals, Harry and his hoochie. More retards from across the pond.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at April 20, 2022 05:21 PM (LkM8p)

204 Oh no, the 2020 election was clean as the driven snow, just ask Mitch McConnell and Rona McRomney.

Shit, the 2020 election was faker than Barack Obama's birth certificate.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 20, 2022 05:21 PM (lORQA)

205 Yes, he was jobbed. But like a football team that lost because the refs made a series of terrible calls, the head coach cannot go into the next game still pissing and whining about the last game. It's loser talk, and nobody wants to hear that shit.
Posted by: ballistic at April 20, 2022 05:19 PM (oXNqT)

This is how Republicans became the party of racism. Too polite to impugn the Democrats you see. All Democrat crimes are forever in the past, to be forgotten.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 20, 2022 05:21 PM (z5Vrg)

206 Morgan had to agree to carry Fox's argument that Trump lost fair and square, or else, no show.
Same with Levin, Bongino, Tucker.
This we know.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 20, 2022 05:21 PM (jTmQV)

207 If Trump is going to run (and win) in '24, he absolutely must find a way to stop talking about 2020.

Yes, he was jobbed. But like a football team that lost because the refs made a series of terrible calls, the head coach cannot go into the next game still pissing and whining about the last game. It's loser talk, and nobody wants to hear that shit.
Posted by: ballistic at April 20, 2022 05:19 PM (oXNqT)
____________

Yep. Fixate on the past, the future gets away.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 20, 2022 05:22 PM (epy5m)

208
As I argued this morning, the theft of the US election was the greatest crime in our history - AND IT MUST NOT BE SWEPT UNDER THE RUG.

That is for a host of vitally important reasons, not least of which is to set the record straight and to do whatever we can to prevent it happening again.

That said, the immediate political aspect of it, vis a vis as a campaign issue is for sure problematic. And G-d bless Trump, he is a lightning rod for sure and is virtually alone against a massive propaganda machine.

Same for DeSantis and anyone else on our side.

That is the problem; to acknowledge the steal and push for election integrity while at the same time running on the disaster of the past 16 months.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2022 05:22 PM (s2VJv)

209 Y'know what else is in the past, Hunter Biden's laptop. Guess it's old news. Shouldn't go after the President's kids after all.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 20, 2022 05:23 PM (z5Vrg)

210 Voting has become a farce, sadly.
We all saw it coming.
DMV Motor voter laws date back to the Clinton admin.
Early voting, mail in voting.
Announcing that the results won't be known for days or weeks after the election.
More ballots than voters.
People voting who've been dead for decades.
Here we are. This is "our democracy".
Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 20, 2022 05:16 PM (jTmQV)

All true, but in 2020 when they started telling us MONTHS before election day that "we might not know the winner for two weeks," or "that there might be one winner on Election Night, and another a week later...' we should have known

Posted by: JoeF. at April 20, 2022 05:23 PM (mR6Gs)

211 OH NOES!!!

Florida Senate passed legislation on Wednesday to end Disney’s special tax privilege and self-governing status on a 23-16 vote.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at April 20, 2022 05:23 PM (iDcra)

212
Pierced Organ.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2022 05:23 PM (s2VJv)

213 Never hurts to have occasional big publicity events where the Fake News Media demonstrates where their loyalties lie.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at April 20, 2022 05:23 PM (qs/P1)

214 199 Trump can use the 2020 election wisely. For example:

One of my platform pieces is that we will reform election laws and stop what happened in 2020 from happening again.

Applause line: we won't let them steal another election!


Done. Standard stump speech.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 20, 2022 05:21 PM (4fSQf)

Yep. Our use whatever influence he has (or get followers to) pressure state Republicans to reform/enforce voter integrity laws.

Posted by: 29Victor at April 20, 2022 05:23 PM (BJKQV)

215 Playing the gentleman and letting Democrat crimes go unpunished is not only bad policy, it is bad politics.

Right. If you're not willing to fight the Democrats on something as basic as establishing who is actually the voters' choice to fill the offices, then why would anyone believe you're willing to fight them on any of the things you've promised sometime down the road?

Posted by: Methos at April 20, 2022 05:23 PM (kOpft)

216 The thing about rigged elections is they aren't going to stop rigging elections unless people are caught and face consequences. So there is no point running in 24 unless 20 is addressed.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 20, 2022 05:23 PM (Y5qcH)

217 "True or not, the stolen election is not what people want to hear about."

Tough. It's necessary. They need to convince me they deserve to be free.

Posted by: Not Fen at April 20, 2022 05:23 PM (NUkEv)

218 Meanwhile you can bet Democrats are working assiduously to fortify the 2024 election.

Hell, they're going to assassinate the Republican if that's what it takes. No way a Republican wins ever again.

You read it here first.

Posted by: torabora at April 20, 2022 05:24 PM (f4V8u)

219 Trump is Trump. He won't change. He won't let it go. This is what you get. I just wonder how much this will affect his ability to find a good VP. Who is going to want to have to constantly deal with this shit?

Posted by: Mark1971 at April 20, 2022 05:24 PM (xPl2J)

220 Piers Morgan is an opportunistic scumbag. I guess you have to give interviews to some people.

But... Why him again? He has no credibility. What's the upside of giving an interview to him?

Posted by: Ace at 05:49 PM

---------

He's no Hannity!

Posted by: ShainS at April 20, 2022 05:24 PM (XEHLe)

221 Trump gots caught lying again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 20, 2022 05:24 PM (IbiWG)

222 Or possibly Romney lost because conservatives weren't all that thrilled about a Corporatist who pushed the predecessor of Obamacare.

It's not like Romney just became an insufferable Leftist douche 4 years ago.

Posted by: Wally at April 20, 2022 05:24 PM (FJYfm)

223 211 OH NOES!!!

Florida Senate passed legislation on Wednesday to end Disney’s special tax privilege and self-governing status on a 23-16 vote.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at April 20, 2022 05:23 PM (iDcra)

Ep bep bep bep bep bep bep STOP. My penis can only get so erect!

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 20, 2022 05:24 PM (II3Gr)

224 Again, Trump can walk and chew gum at the same time, sure he talks about the no good crooked election, he also takes down the regime and advances his America First Agenda, it's the media and never-Trumpers that continuously bring it up.

It's basically so they don't have to contend with anything else, they can keep going straight to the "Stolen Election Conspiracy" narrative.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 20, 2022 05:24 PM (lORQA)

225 Tucker.
This we know.

Tucker doesn't go all out about the election being stolen but he drops hints once and awhile that there was funny business.. He also stands up for Jan. 6'ers for the most part

Posted by: It's me donna at April 20, 2022 05:24 PM (+HFDN)

226
2010 was a red wave, the economy sucked, but obama "won" in 2012. Sure.

And let's not remember a Democrat poll worker in Ohio was caught stuffing the machine with fake ballots. She was arrested and charged and found guilty.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at April 20, 2022 05:24 PM (+ikQy)

227 This is how Republicans became the party of racism. Too polite to impugn the Democrats you see. All Democrat crimes are forever in the past, to be forgotten.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 20, 2022 05:21 PM (z5Vrg)
---
I'm fine calling a spade a spade.

What exactly is your remedy here? Do you have any expectation that any of the offenders will be caught, tried, and punished accordingly? Because if you do, I'd like your contact info so I can buy some of what you're smoking.

Posted by: ballistic at April 20, 2022 05:24 PM (oXNqT)

228 At this point PDT has not made any official announcement that he is running. Hinted very strongly, yes--declared no. It is possible he is testing the 2024 message during his rallies.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 20, 2022 05:24 PM (gEHXL)

229 68 Trump repeatedly agrees to interviews with hostile media. Rarely will they edit the result fairly. The result is this kind of aggravation.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at April 20, 2022 05:00 PM (/4ysB)


Trump strangely always seems to forget that the people running TV shows want to generate maximum buzz in the info-tainment world and maximize ratings. No one interviewing Donald J. Trump will get either by asking what The Donald and Barron had for breakfast, or what he discussed with Kim Jong-un five years ago.

Posted by: Gref at April 20, 2022 05:24 PM (AMIL/)

230 "In no possible world is a court going to step in and call a do-over and install Trump."

Yeah... but, like, it's very dissatisfying to just move on nonetheless. How black is your blackpill? I on one hand agree it's fruitless to argue within the confines of the entrenched system and normie thinking. On the other hand it's yet another instance of "more than half the country can't be bothered with numbers." Whether we're talking about printing dollars, spending dollars, adding debt, or what is and is not within the statistical realm of possibility in any given (let alone) multiple states' elections, if we just let quantitative ignorance prevail then... what? Why are we "invested people" if we've surrendered what we invest in?

Posted by: turnout man at April 20, 2022 05:25 PM (7CyhL)

231 I know everyone's going to find this hard to believe but Charles Cooke has turned on the That's Not Who We Are beacon concerning DeSantis and Disney.

Posted by: Azathoth at April 20, 2022 05:25 PM (wb1YC)

232 I don't see why Trump can't give a handful of finely polished talking points on the obvious stuff (simultaneous halt of count in the middle of the night in several states, Covid-opportunism like mail-in ballots that can't be properly policed, Joe's ridiculous 81 million total - far above what Obama got etc.), and then say, "I believe I've answered your question" repeatedly until the interviewer moves on. Seems pretty basic to me.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 20, 2022 05:25 PM (ppBhU)

233 If Trump is going to run (and win) in '24, he absolutely must find a way to stop talking about 2020.

Posted by: ballistic

****

All due respect Trump got 74 million+ legit votes with the most diverse coalition of any GOP candidate ever.

And the GOP/RNC sat back and allowed the Democrats to flood the swing states with mail in ballots and improperly change election laws. And when Trump still beat that "fortification" they allowed the Democrats to stop counting in swing states and take weeks to "count" ballots.

He doesn't need your, or ace's, or anyone else's advice on what he needs to talk about in 2024 to win. He needs us to elect some GOP allies in states and Congress who aren't bought and paid for by China to be his allies.

Posted by: Venus at April 20, 2022 05:25 PM (YVBLw)

234 As I argued this morning, the theft of the US election was the greatest crime in our history - AND IT MUST NOT BE SWEPT UNDER THE RUG.

That is for a host of vitally important reasons, not least of which is to set the record straight and to do whatever we can to prevent it happening again.

That is the problem; to acknowledge the steal and push for election integrity while at the same time running on the disaster of the past 16 months.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton




This is exactly right. If you don't, then they will tell you with a straight face that the 2024 election was won by a democrat who got 500 million votes, because if the 2020 election was obviously fraudulent and nobody stopped them, then why not keep going?

Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 20, 2022 05:25 PM (5kI0z)

235 The Democrats delegitimize Republican presidents all the time. That is because it is smart politics. That's also why they accuse Republicans of racism and compare our candidates to Hitler. Overlooking glaring examples of Democrat criminality that people want to believe is not a good strategy.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 20, 2022 05:25 PM (z5Vrg)

236 In no possible world is a court going to step in and call a do-over and install Trump.
- Ace


I agree with this. But I do think that the Dem's and their lackeys must be forced to admit that they cheated and stole the election. Every thing they do is the fruit-of-the-poison tree and should be viewed as temporary at best.

Posted by: Ridley Scott at April 20, 2022 05:26 PM (zL564)

237 @496

Please use tinurl or some other app, otherwise you blow the margins.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 20, 2022 05:26 PM (XIJ/X)

238
I like the part about making it about the past, but also the future.

As in "yes of course it was stolen, you fuckin' dolt. Everyone knows that.

But that's good thing, because it means there are no more rules. I'll be assuming the Presidency in January of '25, no questions asked, whatever it takes, even if it means I do it at the head of an enormous column of my aggrieved voters.

And when that happens, we have a yuuuge, luxurious list of goals to accomplish, directly after we address that little election theft thing, with extreme prejudice."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 20, 2022 05:26 PM (UGDPW)

239 Every Republican needs to announce one media interview rule:

I will bring my own camara and will record from the minute I get there until I leave. No exceptions.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 20, 2022 05:26 PM (oF8uZ)

240 Nice now 16 Democrats can be attacked in Florida for being for the millionaires and billionaires.

Posted by: torabora at April 20, 2022 05:26 PM (f4V8u)

241 sock off.

Posted by: Darth Randall at April 20, 2022 05:26 PM (zL564)

242 I keep saying that the GOPe needed Trump repudiated in 2020. It didn't happen. In fact, he managed to lose while still having coattails to nearly give the GOP the House. And we'd likely have held the senate if not for McConnell, who pushed for Loeffler over Trumps choice, and then blocked the stimulus check weeks before the runoff.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile


There is a theory among some people that the GOPe rigged the election against Donald Trump. In Georgia, Arizona, and Pennsylvania, where the Republicans actually controlled the state government, and Michigan where they held the legislature.
"Look! It's the Democrats! Or maybe, Joe just won fair and square"
McConnell and most of the big GOPe types wanted Trump out because he might start interfering with their grift and how they ran things.
The country? Bosh! It's all about THEM.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at April 20, 2022 05:26 PM (vcOmj)

243 231 I know everyone's going to find this hard to believe but Charles Cooke has turned on the That's Not Who We Are beacon concerning DeSantis and Disney.
Posted by: Azathoth at April 20, 2022 05:25 PM (wb1YC)

Yeah, we beat that one to death earlier

Posted by: It's me donna at April 20, 2022 05:26 PM (+HFDN)

244 175 Romney lost because he's a soft-ass loser of a candidate.

Posted by: ballistic at April 20, 2022 05:17 PM (oXNqT)

He fucked up, he trusted me.

Posted by: ORCA at April 20, 2022 05:26 PM (eqyIS)

245 Sorry for the typo my close parentheses was in front of the wrong word. I haven't started drinking today yet, won't see those kind of mistakes in a few hours.

Posted by: turnout man at April 20, 2022 05:26 PM (7CyhL)

246 231 I know everyone's going to find this hard to believe but Charles Cooke has turned on the That's Not Who We Are beacon concerning DeSantis and Disney.
Posted by: Azathoth at April 20, 2022 05:25 PM (wb1YC)

We kicked him around on that earlier. He and his pals are the poster boiz for weak, faggy, atrophied "conservatism"

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 20, 2022 05:26 PM (II3Gr)

247 I hear tell Hannity is a Great American.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at April 20, 2022 05:27 PM (yENZo)

248 It's loser talk, and nobody wants to hear that shit.
Posted by: ballistic at April 20, 2022 05:19 PM (oXNqT)

We're the losers - just like the fans are the losers when refs tip the scales.

I have no problem with him complaining - he was robbed and as a direct result, we were, and not many folks honestly believe that we weren't. His complaint is ours.

He's not eloquent - he's a Commercial New York Real Estate guy. Elect a Yale University drum circle intersectional sexual viability major for specialized verbalization that the MSM loves.

He might be all we have - but I hope not. We need someone to galvanize the vast majority of the country against the press and the Dems - and he is doing well but not enough. The Morgan Interview is a window into this problem.

Posted by: Boswell at April 20, 2022 05:27 PM (5iUNf)

249 211 OH NOES!!!

Florida Senate passed legislation on Wednesday to end Disney’s special tax privilege and self-governing status on a 23-16 vote.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at April 20, 2022 05:23 PM (iDcra)
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Yeah, somebody whomp-whomped Disney being down 5.5% today. If you think that's bad, they're down 20% for the year and at a 52-week low.

Posted by: WisRich at April 20, 2022 05:27 PM (G0vdT)

250 What exactly is your remedy here? Do you have any expectation that any of the offenders will be caught, tried, and punished accordingly? Because if you do, I'd like your contact info so I can buy some of what you're smoking.
Posted by: ballistic at April 20, 2022 05:24 PM (oXNqT)

Ok, explain to me how "Lock her up!" was a bad slogan because Hillary Clinton remains scot free? We need to hammer the image of Democrats by using their perfidy against them. Sitting down and shutting up about it because it's old news is not now, nor has it ever been a winning strategy.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 20, 2022 05:27 PM (z5Vrg)

251 I like a five bullet point election steal FAQ.

Election laws changed illegally in many states

6 large cities stopped counting, kicked out officials, then restarted counting

Hundreds of thousands of pristine, unfolded ballots with only the president is marked

Video proof of counters pulling hidden ballot boxes from under tables

Multiple videos of drop boxes being stuffed repeatedly by the same person

And so on. Create your own list.

Posted by: Beartooth at April 20, 2022 05:28 PM (+3ARs)

252 When every avenue of legal recourse to challenging the election refused to even *see* evidence, any evidence (which was abundant) that is when I knew that the republic is dead.
But, wait, it got worse. The powers that be went after the persons with the evidence, rather than review the evidence. Rudy lost his law license. The FBI raided Rudy's apartment. Mike Lindell lost the ability to sell his products in stores.
Heaven and earth were moved in order to protect the fiction that Biden won.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 20, 2022 05:28 PM (jTmQV)

253 That is the problem; to acknowledge the steal and push for election integrity while at the same time running on the disaster of the past 16 months.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2022 05:22 PM (s2VJv)

It is the human condition to get "sick of things", if they drag on years...see Covid lockdowns.

It's why the Dems run out the clocks on so many things - it works. If you fixate on it, you lose b/c norm people just get sick of hearing about it.

So, if he's gonna stay with it, he has to go Reagan with it. Dress it up in sunshine and humor and positivity. Like "I can laugh about 2020 now, and I know my voice is getting heard, but I'm sure America's not laughing and hasn't felt like their voices have been heard in a long time. So, in 2024, I'm gonna change that and bring America back...again!"

Posted by: Nova local at April 20, 2022 05:28 PM (exHjb)

254 249
Yeah, somebody whomp-whomped Disney being down 5.5% today. If you think that's bad, they're down 20% for the year and at a 52-week low.

Posted by: WisRich at April 20, 2022 05:27 PM (G0vdT)


The Disney execs have the solution: MORE PEDERASTY!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2022 05:29 PM (s2VJv)

255 As far as I am concerned: anybody who wants to forget that the GENERAL ELECTION OF A US PRESIDENT was STOLEN should NOT hold any kind of political office.

Perhaps I did not type that strongly enough?!?!?

Are we living in some kind of Bizarre-O World where we have to forget that the left steals elections and then just KEEP ON VOTING LIKE NOTHING EVER HAPPENED?

Posted by: RondinellaMamma Donald J. Trump is our duly elected president at April 20, 2022 05:29 PM (l0Cy4)

256 Moving on from election fraud is impossible. It’s like moving on from everything else the establishment wants us to just accept. It’s a losing tactic.

It’s the kind of thinking that helps conservatives continue losing. Trump isn’t running against Joe Biden or whoever the beltway crowd puts in his place. Trump is running against the criminals that put Biden over the top even though Biden lost.

Trump appears to recognize that his true opponent is not whoever runs against him, and that he can’t win if all he does is beat that person. Given 2020, this ought to be self evident. I’m not saying I see how he’s going to win. But moving on from the fraud that everyone saw and also saw the beltway crowd ignore, will not help him.

He’s made his political career out of saying, over and over, the obvious truths everyone in power wants to forget.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 20, 2022 05:29 PM (U+Oxn)

257 Pierced Organ is a dick.

Posted by: wth at April 20, 2022 05:29 PM (v0R5T)

258 PDT is trying to make sure the stolen election remains in the public eye.

PDT is a master at getting the press to report on stuff, stuff the press isn't smart enough to realize they should keep their collective mouths closed about, and, thereby keeping it in the public domain.

This has been PDT's MO since first ran. PDT has mastered the art of using the press against itself, because the press just can't help themselves.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 20, 2022 05:29 PM (5pTK/)

259 Maybe-- just maybe-- by the time Trump has officially announced and is actively campaigning, more information will come out that will make his claims seem less outlandish than they might to some people today.
Posted by: JoeF.

Also, think about this. Maybe Piers Morgan was doing a favor for Trump (at Trump's request). He knew the question was coming, and this is part of the framing for the 2024 run. He was not flamboyant or bombastic.
Sure, maybe Piers gets "something" from the Left, but I wonder if this was orchestrated to set a defiant tone for 2024, and Piers actually helped, because Donald Trump asked him.
Weirder things have happened. And remember, everything you know could be wrong.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at April 20, 2022 05:29 PM (vcOmj)

260 "For those of us wondering if we'll have a job, or food, six months from now, living in the past is a luxury we cannot afford."

Well then neither is Liberty, stop wasting my time and just surrender already, make it official.

Posted by: Not Fen at April 20, 2022 05:29 PM (NUkEv)

261 220 Piers Morgan is an opportunistic scumbag. I guess you have to give interviews to some people.

But... Why him again? He has no credibility. What's the upside of giving an interview to him?

Posted by: Ace at 05:49 PM

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He's no Hannity!
Posted by: ShainS at April 20, 2022 05:24 PM (XEHLe)

Celebrity Apprentice.

Posted by: Nova local at April 20, 2022 05:29 PM (exHjb)

262 257 Pierced Organ is a dick.
Posted by: wth at April 20, 2022 05:29 PM (v0R5T)

On that we can all agree

Posted by: It's me donna at April 20, 2022 05:30 PM (+HFDN)

263
Democrats are NOT the "pay your fair share of taxes" party??

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at April 20, 2022 05:30 PM (+ikQy)

264 I want to know what fantasy world the people saying Trump needs to stop talking about 2020 are living in. Even if he never brought it up. Even if he didn't talk about it being stolen it would still get brought up by the media. "You lost the election in 2020. The American people rejected you. Why do would they ever vote for a loser like you after they already voted against you." That would be the media questioning/talking point. And the people that always continuously bring up "Trump is talking about 2020 again. Its all he does! He needs to stop!" well they would have a new different talking point to again discount him, as they likely were doing in 2015/16.

Posted by: buzzion at April 20, 2022 05:30 PM (vMCab)

265 Yeah, we beat that one to death earlier

***

I knew I should have skipped that business meeting.

Posted by: Azathoth at April 20, 2022 05:31 PM (wb1YC)

266 We got ass-raped in 2020. Not talking about it isn't healthy.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 20, 2022 05:31 PM (Y5qcH)

267 I think you've got it right, JJ. Acknowledge it, point what needs changing and change. But always focus on the future and accept that the past is past and won't be changed.

They stole it. They got away with it. That's the sad reality we have to face. We can make them pay for stealing it, and I think we will. But we can't undo it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 20, 2022 05:31 PM (VJJ1K)

268 Taking note of what was done in 2020 is important. The general public understands things were done in a manner inconsistent with other elections. It motivates the committed partisans.

Trump must be forward looking and have a vision that can be clearly articulated as well. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at April 20, 2022 05:31 PM (qs/P1)

269 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 20, 2022 05:26 PM (XIJ/X)

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I had (and have) no idea what you mean about blowing margins - it all looked fine from here. However, tinyurl works well and I will be certain to use it going forward.

Posted by: 496 at April 20, 2022 05:31 PM (VJsqe)

270 219 Trump is Trump. He won't change. He won't let it go. This is what you get. I just wonder how much this will affect his ability to find a good VP. Who is going to want to have to constantly deal with this shit?

Posted by: Mark1971 at April 20, 2022 05:24 PM (xPl2J)

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Don Jr. FTW!

Posted by: ShainS at April 20, 2022 05:32 PM (XEHLe)

271 Didn't that Morgan pervert get a grinning picture with Ghislaine Maxwell?

Yep

Posted by: torabora at April 20, 2022 05:32 PM (f4V8u)

272 This has been PDT's MO since first ran. PDT has mastered the art of using the press against itself, because the press just can't help themselves.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 20, 2022 05:29 PM (5pTK/)


Yeah, I was looking for a way to say that very thing. Trump doesn't always come off looking well but he does control the message this way.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 20, 2022 05:32 PM (4fSQf)

273 I imagine more will come out later, details like Piers Morgan grovelling to Trump to help him revive his career.

Opening a new show with Trump would have been a coup anyway but he had to go and poison the well. But then that's Piers, a scumbag.

Who does he think will give him an interview from now on?

Posted by: President Select Decaf at April 20, 2022 05:32 PM (VVqfM)

274 Vote for me so Disney can stop paying its fair share!

Posted by: Crist for governor campaign at April 20, 2022 05:32 PM (eqyIS)

275 I'll be talking about 2020 in 2080.

Posted by: Bourbonchicken at April 20, 2022 05:33 PM (44ww/)

276 I think Disney's next movie should be Futa Pony Birthday.

Posted by: wth at April 20, 2022 05:33 PM (v0R5T)

277 Piers Morgan is an opportunistic scumbag. I guess you have to give interviews to some people.

But... Why him again? He has no credibility. What's the upside of giving an interview to him?


Piers was an early Trump supporter. Perhaps he hoped Trump would do a bit of gun grabbing, one of Pier's favorite hate objects of affection.

But now Piers has hired Meggie Mac-n-Cheese as a chief NTer, and gives her a prominent weekly venthole for her ample spleen.

I'd have been moar suspicious. Then again, I think *everyone* is out to get me.

Posted by: Marco Rubio at April 20, 2022 05:33 PM (F0YaR)

278 The Disney execs have the solution: MORE PEDERASTY!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2022 05:29 PM (s2VJv)

When does Musk show up to buy Disney and their affiliate ABC and then take them private?

Or just shoot the Disney/ABC board out into the Sun using the highly confidential but secretly operational Space X Sun Cannon?

Posted by: Boswell at April 20, 2022 05:34 PM (5iUNf)

279
It's loser talk, and nobody wants to hear that shit.

Tell me about slavery again.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 20, 2022 05:34 PM (63Dwl)

280 First, it looks like the Democrats used mail in ballots as a vector to pollute the votes cast pool in targeted areas; that is what they were up too with their war room during the campaign. Second, the Bush legal team in the 2000 Florida battle was experienced and had one battle to fight. Trump was unprepared, had a multiple front war, and was left in the wind by the RNC to battle against the Democrats, the media, the courts, and Conservative, Inc. Conclusion: It is over and by pounding the stolen election theme he is reenforcing the negative narrative attached to him and taking valuable attention away from making the case that the Democrats are in the middle of a blitzkrieg that is dismantling of the nation. My gut says by outlining specific election reforms and using his clout to push these initiatives at the state level he can implicitly discuss election corruption and be a reform hero going forward; failure to do this leaves him looking bitter and delusional. This tact gives him the upper hand when the biased media starts trying to pin the "Big Lie" on him by outlining election reform and then pivoting to his agenda. Trump was a good president, even great. He can do that again.

Posted by: Lost In Space at April 20, 2022 05:34 PM (9I3i5)

281 Are we living in some kind of Bizarre-O World where we have to forget that the left steals elections and then just KEEP ON VOTING LIKE NOTHING EVER HAPPENED?

Posted by: RondinellaMamma Donald J. Trump is our duly elected president at April 20, 2022 05:29 PM (l0Cy4)

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Yeah, I don't get this attitude at all. Let's just all vote in the next election and hope for the best! Surely, everything will be aboveboard and honest next time. Unreal.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 20, 2022 05:34 PM (T7ftm)

282
Trump is Trump. He won't change. He won't let it go. This is what you get. I just wonder how much this will affect his ability to find a good VP. Who is going to want to have to constantly deal with this shit?

Posted by: Mark1971 at April 20, 2022 05:24 PM (xPl2J)

I'm pulling for "African cannibal warlord."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 20, 2022 05:35 PM (UGDPW)

283
New Mexico's OSHA equivalent has fined Baldwin's Rust producers $170K+, the maximum under the law:

https://tinyurl.com/y2vfzeht

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at April 20, 2022 05:35 PM (Mzdiz)

284 Got no problem with Trump walking out on Piers Morgan.
Got a pretty big problem with his agreeing to the interview in the first place.
But it does decidedly emphasize the point that media is complete unadulterated shit.

Posted by: National Review the shiny new Jen Rubin of Conservative Urinalism at April 20, 2022 05:35 PM (jV+aN)

285 Didn't that Morgan pervert get a grinning picture with Ghislaine Maxwell?

Yep
Posted by: torabora


There are plenty of pictures of Ivana Trump (1st wife) with Ghislaine Maxwell. They ran around together when she was married to Donald.
Probably pictures somewhere of her and Donald Trump, too. She was all over the New York social scene.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at April 20, 2022 05:35 PM (vcOmj)

286 281 Are we living in some kind of Bizarre-O World where we have to forget that the left steals elections and then just KEEP ON VOTING LIKE NOTHING EVER HAPPENED?

Posted by: RondinellaMamma Donald J. Trump is our duly elected president at April 20, 2022 05:29 PM (l0Cy4)

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Yeah, I don't get this attitude at all. Let's just all vote in the next election and hope for the best! Surely, everything will be aboveboard and honest next time. Unreal.
Posted by: washrivergal at April 20, 2022 05:34 PM (T7ftm)

We all just need to moveon.org from these issues. Y'know who didn't move on when running against a Clinton in 2016? Trump.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 20, 2022 05:35 PM (z5Vrg)

287
Gutta-percha cane. For historical reasons.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 20, 2022 05:00 PM (II3Gr)


+ 1

Posted by: Zap Brannigan at April 20, 2022 05:36 PM (qyH+l)

288 going into a 2024 election without raising hell about the Steal is like...

...is like letting the guys at the clubhouse gangrape your wife to the point she almost hemorrhages to death, and then a week calling up pro shop for a tee time.

Sometimes I don't understand you people.

Posted by: Not Fen at April 20, 2022 05:36 PM (NUkEv)

289 Almost all of the problems we are facing today are the result of a fraudulent election, or due to the machinations used to create the fraud. I don't see how we can start to fix them without coming to terms with that. It would be like AA serving booze to start their meetings.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 20, 2022 04:56 PM (5kI0z)

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Perfectly summed up.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at April 20, 2022 05:36 PM (VVqfM)

290 Can you put bondo on a toenail?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 20, 2022 05:36 PM (IEa8U)

291 >>>So what do you do?
For those of us wondering if we'll have a job, or food, six months from now, living in the past is a luxury we cannot afford.

God that is a stupid statement. This was a full blown cheating exercise designed to change the outcome of a US presidential election. You either gather evidence it happened, and then use that evidence to push for reforms that reduce the severity of Democrat cheating in the future. Or get used to saying comrade and having your kids brainwashed into their cult. Because if we don't do something about Democrat fraud, it wont matter how good our candidates are or how much we convince voters. Every election will just add power to the Uniparty.

Posted by: mikethemoose at April 20, 2022 05:36 PM (RXMLU)

292 "Has she ever been challenged on her claim that Russia actually changed vote tallies in voting machines, ever?"


Seth Rich challenged Hillary once.

Posted by: red speck at April 20, 2022 05:37 PM (gS3OW)

293 Yeah, I was looking for a way to say that very thing. Trump doesn't always come off looking well but he does control the message this way.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 20, 2022 05:32 PM (4fSQf)
And also Bozo Conservative:
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something just struck me. The headline, "PDT Storms off after stormy interview" and, bingo, people are checking into what's going on.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 20, 2022 05:37 PM (5pTK/)

294
Of course Trump needs to talk about 2020.

It was a world-historical crime, it can never be forgiven, let alone forgotten, only avenged.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 20, 2022 05:37 PM (UGDPW)

295 A thought on why the DeSantis moves against Disney are so effective, and why Trump's attempts to refight the selection are falling flat.

This is not a time for "justice" ; there will be none.
This is a time for Revenge.
DeSantis gets it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 20, 2022 05:37 PM (VJJ1K)

296
2020 election? Never forget, never forgive. It was a 9/11 moment (well several hours) when American cities proved their ability to fire up data base software and steal an election and install a puppet as President.

In my neck of the woods, the 'base' won't let it rest, won't let it go away. I'm with them.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at April 20, 2022 05:37 PM (dQvv7)

297 266 We got ass-raped in 2020. Not talking about it isn't healthy.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 20, 2022 05:31 PM (Y5qcH)

Have you ever known someone who was raped and managed to find ways to remind everyone all the time? It's not healthy.

Posted by: 29Victor at April 20, 2022 05:37 PM (BJKQV)

298 Brandon reversed all the gains blacks made economically under Trump.

Posted by: torabora at April 20, 2022 05:37 PM (f4V8u)

299 Im tired of hearing about it just because little seems to be being done about preventing future fraud.

I'm not giving up until '22 election and if that pans out I'll see about '24. If that turns out anything like '20, I am done participating in society.

I agree with ace and others here that Trump needs a small handful of poignant points and facts that cannot be denied, though they will be ignored by the MSM, and move on to other issues.

Posted by: Fool Otto at April 20, 2022 05:38 PM (DB16e)

300 It needs to be talked about and should be a part of his campaign message. It's red meat for the masses BUT his percentages need to be correct. You can do both, talking about what happened and what needs to change while also talking about what you see for the future of the country.

It's like salt. Not too much or too little.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 20, 2022 05:38 PM (4fSQf)

301 294
Of course Trump needs to talk about 2020.

It was a world-historical crime, it can never be forgiven, let alone forgotten, only avenged.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 20, 2022 05:37 PM (UGDPW)

Yeah. He can mention it, even lead off with it. But what is he doing to stop it from happening again next time?

Posted by: 29Victor at April 20, 2022 05:39 PM (BJKQV)

302 The hardest part about this whole experience is admitting that the 18 or 19 year old version of me (the one that I abandoned to become a rah-rah patriot) was right about everything.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 20, 2022 05:39 PM (jTmQV)

303 #290
Bondo won't stick to Teflon.

Posted by: torabora at April 20, 2022 05:39 PM (f4V8u)

304 Heh, I like the DM's headline: "Tragic Kingdom"

Posted by: WisRich at April 20, 2022 05:39 PM (G0vdT)

305 Brandon reversed all the gains blacks made economically under Trump.
Posted by: torabora at April 20, 2022 05:37 PM (f4V8u)

Brandon reversed .gains made by all races. Of course, that might not mean much if he gets his wag-the-nuclear-war-dog wish, but still....

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at April 20, 2022 05:39 PM (73SAW)

306 Piers is just a better than average looking lesbian. I guess that's about all it takes to get a "news" show these days.

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at April 20, 2022 05:40 PM (wAnMi)

307 Have you ever known someone who was raped and managed to find ways to remind everyone all the time? It's not healthy.
Posted by: 29Victor at April 20, 2022 05:37 PM (BJKQV)


Not healthy? That is GOPe talk on par with "It's not who we are."

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at April 20, 2022 05:40 PM (AiZBA)

308 303 #290
Bondo won't stick to Teflon.
Posted by: torabora


Do I have to put mesh on it first?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 20, 2022 05:40 PM (IEa8U)

309 Still falling for the same tricks.

Posted by: borderline at April 20, 2022 05:40 PM (uKe7i)

310 301 294
Of course Trump needs to talk about 2020.

It was a world-historical crime, it can never be forgiven, let alone forgotten, only avenged.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 20, 2022 05:37 PM (UGDPW)

Yeah. He can mention it, even lead off with it. But what is he doing to stop it from happening again next time?
Posted by: 29Victor at April 20, 2022 05:39 PM (BJKQV)

Long technical explanations of how things will actually get accomplished is not how to run a campaign.

Build the Wall! wasn't a winning slogan because if was followed by a lecture on congressional appropriations.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 20, 2022 05:40 PM (z5Vrg)

311 "It's loser talk, and nobody wants to hear that shit."

Right, you don't want to hear about your wife getting gangraped in back of the pro shop, that's loser talk. Why don't you order another martini.

Posted by: Not Fen at April 20, 2022 05:41 PM (NUkEv)

312 He has a British accent so he must know what he's talking about.
Just ask Christiane Amanpour.

Posted by: Zek at April 20, 2022 05:41 PM (OzNIz)

313 Why is Trump even sitting down with this fool? He trusted him? He does this over and over -- calling them out as "fake news" then indulging them as if they're serious people. But if he does choose to go on, he should be prepared to flip the script.



Posted by: Ordinary American at April 20, 2022 05:41 PM (H8QX8)

314 Yeah. He can mention it, even lead off with it. But what is he doing to stop it from happening again next time?
Posted by: 29Victor at April 20, 2022 05:39 PM (BJKQV)

About the only thing he can personally do is lobby states to secure their votes and to then have legal teams in every "questionable" district on election day, like they did in VA in 2021, and which worked like a champ. He has to prove his ground game will be wildly better in 2024.

Youngkin had ground game for years...maybe Trump should get some advice...

Posted by: Nova local at April 20, 2022 05:41 PM (exHjb)

315 Almost all of the problems we are facing today are the result of a fraudulent election,
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Fraudulent election was a result of something too. Has that beed addressed?? Dems are spending tens, hundreds maybe if millions NOW to hire and train people on the ground, election judges all kinds of low level, but crucial positions. For 2024. Complaining at the 11th hour and running to the courts...not a good strategy.

Posted by: runner at April 20, 2022 05:42 PM (NxtrT)

316 Long technical explanations of how things will actually get accomplished is not how to run a campaign.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 20, 2022 05:40 PM (z5Vrg)

Who said anything about "long technical explanations?"

Posted by: 29Victor at April 20, 2022 05:42 PM (BJKQV)

317 297 266 We got ass-raped in 2020. Not talking about it isn't healthy.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 20, 2022 05:31 PM (Y5qcH)

Have you ever known someone who was raped and managed to find ways to remind everyone all the time? It's not healthy.
Posted by: 29Victor at April 20, 2022 05:37 PM (BJKQV)

Broaddrick helped us win. Bill Clinton is a rapist! helped us win. Joe Biden stole the election probably needs some wordsmithing but is functionally similar.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 20, 2022 05:43 PM (z5Vrg)

318 >>>Long technical explanations of how things will actually get accomplished is not how to run a campaign.
Build the Wall! wasn't a winning slogan because if was followed by a lecture on congressional appropriations.

you guys never stop with the explanations of how all his losing is really winning in disguise.

Do you not understand that EVEN HIS SUPPORTERS ARE TIRED OF THIS SCHTICK? How do you keep claiming that this is a winning schitick, when people are dropping off the trump train, not climbing on?

But you just keep going, no, this is working, this is working!

Posted by: ace at April 20, 2022 05:43 PM (0G13K)

319 It is the human condition to get "sick of things", if they drag on years...see Covid lockdowns.

It's why the Dems run out the clocks on so many things - it works. If you fixate on it, you lose b/c norm people just get sick of hearing about it.

So, if he's gonna stay with it, he has to go Reagan with it. Dress it up in sunshine and humor and positivity. Like "I can laugh about 2020 now, and I know my voice is getting heard, but I'm sure America's not laughing and hasn't felt like their voices have been heard in a long time. So, in 2024, I'm gonna change that and bring America back...again!"

Posted by: Nova local at April 20, 2022 05:28 PM (exHjb)

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That's great advice, Nl.

One of Trump's strengths is his sense of humor and vision. He could also take a lesson from Reagan in self-deprecating humor ...

Posted by: ShainS at April 20, 2022 05:43 PM (2cWQn)

320 I'll vote for Trump, but he's a distant second choice for me. Maybe he needs to focus more on the economy which is where his strength lies.

Posted by: Max Power at April 20, 2022 05:43 PM (k7+BO)

321 Long technical explanations of how things will actually get accomplished is not how to run a campaign.

Yeah. Need to talk more about the Holy Roman Empire.

Posted by: Zombie Jack Kemp at April 20, 2022 05:43 PM (ppBhU)

322 >>> 267 I think you've got it right, JJ. Acknowledge it, point what needs changing and change. But always focus on the future and accept that the past is past and won't be changed.

They stole it. They got away with it. That's the sad reality we have to face. We can make them pay for stealing it, and I think we will. But we can't undo it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 20, 2022 05:31 PM (VJJ1K)

Totally agree. I haven't been paying attention so I don't know if OrangeManBad is saying basically the same thing but yeah, "forget it" is not a good idea. It's "make sure it doesn't happen again".

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 20, 2022 05:43 PM (llON8)

323 Tom Servo, you have to keep the fraud in the voters' minds to be able to win the next election and then be able to inflict revenge.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at April 20, 2022 05:44 PM (VVqfM)

324 I think that rulings in Trump's favor are important but not because anything can be changed now. But it can be changed in the future. This notion that the Democrats should ever be allowed to feel like there is a time limit on "getting away with it" is one that Democrats shouldn't be allowed to keep. There shouldn't be a sell-by date on election fraud even if it's too late to remove the fraudulent "winner".

Posted by: Synova at April 20, 2022 05:44 PM (BD/yx)

325 #285
We're not here to compare ivana Trump to Morgan.
We're here to smear and destroy Morgan.
He was really happy to be in the picture with Maxwell well let HIM explain it.

Posted by: torabora at April 20, 2022 05:44 PM (f4V8u)

326
"Nobody needs to keep yammering about this whole Babylonian Captivity we've got going on. We just need the right man in Avignon!"

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 20, 2022 05:44 PM (UGDPW)

327 One of the candidates running for Governor of AZ in 2022-Kari Lake-seems to be quite concerned about voting integrity:

https://www.karilake.com/issues

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 20, 2022 05:44 PM (fF2aM)

328 316 Long technical explanations of how things will actually get accomplished is not how to run a campaign.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 20, 2022 05:40 PM (z5Vrg)

Who said anything about "long technical explanations?"
Posted by: 29Victor at April 20, 2022 05:42 PM (BJKQV)

"But what is he doing to stop it from happening again next time?"

The answer to this question could be summarized as working with politicians and legislators but concrete details are necessarily technical. Arizona has loads of election reform legislation in process right now.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 20, 2022 05:45 PM (z5Vrg)

329 Not healthy? That is GOPe talk on par with "It's not who we are."
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at April 20, 2022 05:40 PM (AiZBA)

The "not healthy" was a reference to the post to which I was responding.

Posted by: 29Victor at April 20, 2022 05:45 PM (BJKQV)

330
They blatantly stole it and paid no consequences
They will do it again

Posted by: Yo! at April 20, 2022 05:45 PM (iOGo6)

331 I don't think our focus should be so prominently on which issue PDJT chooses to talk about, like the 2020 Steal. The traditional interview forum itself is more the problem.

Letting Propaganda Press EDIT his interviews is terrible, because they will (always!) do so to his greatest disadvantage.

Similar to the "Presidential Debate Commission", which will always be nasty to Trump (or any Republican), the Propaganda Press sees their mission as "information shaping and control". Editing is how they achieve this mission.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at April 20, 2022 05:45 PM (6BHDZ)

332 You know who else was concerned about being healthy?

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 20, 2022 05:45 PM (ppBhU)

333 Fraudulent election was a result of something too. Has that beed addressed?? Dems are spending tens, hundreds maybe if millions NOW to hire and train people on the ground, election judges all kinds of low level, but crucial positions. For 2024. Complaining at the 11th hour and running to the courts...not a good strategy.

Posted by: runner at April 20, 2022 05:42 PM (NxtrT)

++++

Exactly. No one stopped them then, no one will stop them the next time. Why wouldn't they cheat in the same exact way?

Posted by: washrivergal at April 20, 2022 05:45 PM (T7ftm)

334 Apparently the statute of limitations on election fraud is the second the press calls a winner.

Posted by: torabora at April 20, 2022 05:45 PM (f4V8u)

335 323 Tom Servo, you have to keep the fraud in the voters' minds to be able to win the next election and then be able to inflict revenge.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at April 20, 2022 05:44 PM (VVqfM)

Ideally this becomes not just "Democrats stole the 2020 election", but "Democrats are election thieves".

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 20, 2022 05:46 PM (z5Vrg)

336 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 20, 2022 05:44 PM (fF2aM)


AZ. was particularly bad on the cheating .. They have tons of "proof" but nothing unfortunately will be done about it...

Posted by: It's me donna at April 20, 2022 05:46 PM (+HFDN)

337 Not healthy? That is GOPe talk on par with "It's not who we are."
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at April 20, 2022 05:40 PM (AiZBA)

The "not healthy" was a reference to the post to which I was responding.
Posted by: 29Victor at April 20, 2022 05:45 PM (BJKQV)


Sorry for my misunderstanding.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at April 20, 2022 05:46 PM (AiZBA)

338 People are REALLY hurting in 2022 and the hurt is gonna get deeper and deeper this year b/c there are no Covid bonuses coming and inflation on needed items (like food and gas and rent) is wildly high.

Just like in 1932 and 1980, people will not want to hear about the past - they will want to hear how you're gonna help them afford beef again, and new shoes again.

All the time, I'm having convos in blue rich land on this stuff. People are hurting here. I can't imagine what's going on in the places below the median income in the US.

THAT'S the only message people will want to hear in 2024 - how will you help my family.

The kids issues will still resonate, the speech issues will too...but it all needs to be forward looking and blame the Dems looking to win...

Posted by: Nova local at April 20, 2022 05:46 PM (exHjb)

339 DeSantis gets it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 20, 2022 05:37 PM (VJJ1K)

DeSantis is Trump without the attraction to the media and former celebrities. Trump knows they're pretty much a dumpster fire, but he keeps warbling back to the flame, to quote Kipling.

DeSantis has no such alliances or interests, and he doesn't make these mistakes. The press doesn't try very hard or effectively to defeat him, because they are out-matched intellectually - oh, they hate him as much as Trump. But you get a gut instinct that he's gonna win. You don't get that feeling with Trump. You love Trump but you get the feeling that he's not gonna be able to defeat the enemy, it'll be a draw at best. But you get that feeling of total victory with DeSantis.

Posted by: Boswell at April 20, 2022 05:46 PM (5iUNf)

340 We're not here to compare ivana Trump to Morgan.
We're here to smear and destroy Morgan.
He was really happy to be in the picture with Maxwell well let HIM explain it.

===

Fuk that guy in particular!

Posted by: runner at April 20, 2022 05:47 PM (NxtrT)

341 But you just keep going, no, this is working, this is working!
Posted by: ace at April 20, 2022 05:43 PM (0G13K)

Also, while "Build the Wall" was a winning slogan, the Wall still remains unbuilt.

Posted by: 29Victor at April 20, 2022 05:47 PM (BJKQV)

342 Or maybe Trump should record every interview and release it just after the network does, if he thinks their edits are not fair. Just screw them over and expose thier partisanship.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at April 20, 2022 05:47 PM (6BHDZ)

343 29Victor, PDT is supporting candidates in races for everything from Senator to dog catcher. He seems to be working on a stronger House and local level of support.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 20, 2022 05:47 PM (gEHXL)

344 The rigged aspect must never be forgotten. It can't be the main campaign meal but it is vital as an appetizer. I think Trump gets that. Hope so anyway.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at April 20, 2022 05:48 PM (qs/P1)

345 Nood.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at April 20, 2022 05:49 PM (PiwSw)

346 So, welp we lost?

Did Piers ask him to mouth the words 'duly elected'?

More laughable was Cruz' asking or 10 days to 'sort it out'. It.was.stolen. Therefore fraudulent. No amount of time can make that fact untrue. Not forgetting the down ticket shenanigans, too.

I'm going to harbor that forever. There needs to be a proper reckoning. Needs moar ruthless from Trump.

Posted by: micky at April 20, 2022 05:49 PM (3byMq)

347 Fraudulent election was a result of something too. Has that beed addressed?? Dems are spending tens, hundreds maybe if millions NOW to hire and train people on the ground, election judges all kinds of low level, but crucial positions. For 2024. Complaining at the 11th hour and running to the courts...not a good strategy.

Posted by: runner at April 20, 2022 05:42 PM (NxtrT)

--------

Surely there is a patriotic, conservative multibillionaire out there spending twice (upwards of $1 billion dollars) on 2022 what Zuckerbucks did in 2020 -- and preparing twice even that for 2024 -- to neutralize the mass of voter fraud by the D's?

/Ha, I kill me ... and don't call me Shirley!

Posted by: ShainS at April 20, 2022 05:49 PM (VD5e7)

348 He seems to be working on a stronger House and local level of support.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 20, 2022 05:47 PM (gEHXL)

And if, after the elecrion, he turns that in to a big push for election integrity then great! But he has made no mention of that, ar least to the best of my knowledge.

Posted by: 29Victor at April 20, 2022 05:50 PM (BJKQV)

349 295 A thought on why the DeSantis moves against Disney are so effective, and why Trump's attempts to refight the selection are falling flat. This is not a time for "justice"; there will be none. This is a time for Revenge. DeSantis gets it. Posted by: Tom Servo

I agree. Fighting to win the last war is pointless. Trump has an agenda that is even more timely than it was in 2016 and grousing about 2020 takes that agenda off the table. If he is going to extract revenge, he has to have political power by winning the 2024 election. DeSantis so far appears to have much of the Trump doctrine in him but with the skill of knowing how to slide a knife in between the ribs of his opponents. DeSantis is one of the most formable politicians I have seen; he is unflappable, quick on his feet, like Reagan seems to have a core that is immutable, unwavering determination, and none of the baggage of a lifetime of being a celebrity figure (which is why exactly why President Trump is fantastic). I like them both. My fevered dream in Trump in 2024 and DeSantis in 2028 for two terms.

Posted by: Lost In Space at April 20, 2022 05:50 PM (9I3i5)

350 310 301 294
Of course Trump needs to talk about 2020.

It was a world-historical crime, it can never be forgiven, let alone forgotten, only avenged.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 20, 2022 05:37 PM (UGDPW)


Well, yes. It's the root of all the problems we're facing now. Problems, I'm sorry to say, that won't go away easily.

All it took was Senile Joe signing some massive spending bills, and crippling our gas and oil industries, and alakazam!

Inflation and probable recession/depression that will damage the prospects of a whole up and coming generation for years, and will cause poverty, hunger, and humiliation among the retired. Not to mention the damage done to children by all the rampant Democrat Groomers.

So, yes. Lead with the steal. Link it to the horrible things that have happened since. Propose solutions for transparent honest elections and the best solutions to the economic crisis unfolding under us and safety for children.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 20, 2022 05:50 PM (LV9Tl)

351 Stuffing the ballet box was only a small part of the Coup.

Before that, absolute control of the media...

Judges and Executive staff defying oaths and lawful orders...

After the ceremonial stuffing ballet boxes you have the Capital lockdown and gulags for those that dared defy it (in person or in spirit).

A rather successful coup.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 20, 2022 05:50 PM (FZnPU)

352 Dems are spending tens, hundreds maybe if millions NOW to hire and train people on the ground, election judges all kinds of low level, but crucial positions. For 2024. Complaining at the 11th hour and running to the courts...not a good strategy.

Posted by: runner at April 20, 2022 05:42 PM (NxtrT)

And THAT is what Trump could be focusing on in his speeches and shining the light on in every interview.

Posted by: 29Victor at April 20, 2022 05:51 PM (BJKQV)

353 you guys never stop with the explanations of how all his losing is really winning in disguise.

Do you not understand that EVEN HIS SUPPORTERS ARE TIRED OF THIS SCHTICK? How do you keep claiming that this is a winning schitick, when people are dropping off the trump train, not climbing on?

But you just keep going, no, this is working, this is working!
Posted by: ace at April 20, 2022 05:43 PM (0G13K)

Some people were never comfortable with the political tactic, doesn't make it a bad one.

"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." doesn't have to exclusively be used by the other side.

Trump picked up tons of voters in 2020, when again realistically it would be difficult to break 70m with most other candidates.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 20, 2022 05:52 PM (z5Vrg)

354 All the swing states just stopped counting together in the middle of the night.

Exactly how obvious does it has to be for you consent there’s a problem?

Nothing else needs to be said and if you’re explaining any more than this then you are losing.

Posted by: JTinKC at April 20, 2022 05:52 PM (FoSz+)

355
Posted by: ace at April 20, 2022 05:43 PM (0G13K)

Eh, I'm not off the Trump Train, to the extent that I still like the guy.

I am off the GOP train, and he isn't, so it'll have to trundle off without me. But I'm also off the voting train, and the United States train.

No candidate who wants to work within this system is for me. I want a "topple the government forever" candidate.

But we're not there yet. Certainly Trump is not.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 20, 2022 05:52 PM (UGDPW)

356 the Wall still remains unbuilt.
Posted by: 29Victor at April 20, 2022 05:47 PM (BJKQV)

The "Just give us the House!" and "If we just had the Senate!" and "If only we had the presidency!" and "donate harder" GOPe is responsible for that.
I have twice reminded my congress critter of that fact so far this year.

Posted by: Fool Otto at April 20, 2022 05:53 PM (DB16e)

357 IT was already said upthread, but it is a great point: EVERY problem we are having now is the direct result of a STOLEN election.

Why do I want Trump back in the driver's seat? Because that in itself would be revenge and a kind of justice/bringing the left to heel. It would make leftist's heads explode 24/7. I know there are so-called-repubs who tremble at the thought...they are the same ones who just wanted President Trump to go away quietly because they couldn't take the non-stop assaults form the left anymore.

Remember the 'Make it stop!' repubs?

It will never stop with the left, unless we go scorched earth.
Keep DeSantis as a governor for a little while longer so he can secure Florida and maybe teach a few more governors to grow balls.
Get Trump back in the driver's seat for 2024.
DeSantis 2028 & 2032.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma Donald J. Trump is our duly elected president at April 20, 2022 05:53 PM (l0Cy4)

358 So, yes. Lead with the steal. Link it to the horrible things that have happened since. Propose solutions for transparent honest elections and the best solutions to the economic crisis unfolding under us and safety for children.
Posted by: naturalfake at April 20, 2022 05:50 PM (LV9Tl)

Yeah, this. Well said. And mobilize his followers to hound their state legislatures about election integrity.

Posted by: 29Victor at April 20, 2022 05:53 PM (BJKQV)

359 *before

Posted by: JTinKC at April 20, 2022 05:53 PM (FoSz+)

360 341 But you just keep going, no, this is working, this is working!
Posted by: ace at April 20, 2022 05:43 PM (0G13K)

Also, while "Build the Wall" was a winning slogan, the Wall still remains unbuilt.
Posted by: 29Victor at April 20, 2022 05:47 PM (BJKQV)

Winning the election is different from actual legislative results. But if we're talking about winning the election, smears, slogans and soundbites is where it is at.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 20, 2022 05:54 PM (z5Vrg)

361 >>>THAT'S the only message people will want to hear in 2024 - how will you help my family.

Well it won't matter what we tell them if dens cheat but OK. "Well we'd like to go back to the economic policies of 2019, but that isn't going to happen is the US allows another election like 2020. Up to you there boss. But if you won't address election integrity I suggest you embrace the suck cause it's gonna get worse every election now"

Posted by: mikethemoose at April 20, 2022 05:55 PM (RXMLU)

362 The "Just give us the House!" and "If we just had the Senate!" and "If only we had the presidency!" and "donate harder" GOPe is responsible for that.
I have twice reminded my congress critter of that fact so far this year.
Posted by: Fool Otto at April 20, 2022 05:53 PM (DB16e)

Trump never said "If I have a compliant Congress I'll build a wall." He said he'd build a wall. Part of the President's job is to manipulate or suck up to or threaten Congress to carry out his agenda. Trump was either unwilling or unable to do that.

Posted by: 29Victor at April 20, 2022 05:57 PM (BJKQV)

363 I mean seriously if we nominate Trump or DeSantis, do you think Dems are going to cheat more or less than last time. Seriously?

Posted by: mikethemoose at April 20, 2022 05:57 PM (RXMLU)

364 Fox giving this cretin a show, and Gutfeld having him on and praising him is disgusting. The guy is a leftwing asshole who is trying to act rightwing for the money, and again conservatives fall for it. All Piers cares about s himself and peeping through the windows of little children, and hopefully we can get Jeremy Clarkson to beat the shit out of him over that again.

Posted by: Rbastid at April 20, 2022 05:58 PM (Kst20)

365 And, sorry, but the GOPe isn't going to suddenly hand over the reigns of power. If Trump can't figure out how to either coopt or steamroll them then he's going to be pretty worthless as president.

Posted by: 29Victor at April 20, 2022 05:59 PM (BJKQV)

366 >>> I like a five bullet point election steal FAQ.

Posted by: Beartooth at April 20, 2022 05:28 PM (+3ARs)


In every single instance where some one says that I see a single leftist come up and counter, "well none of that is true because all the court cases were thrown out". And everyone looks away. Why? Because they think you're wrong and the leftist is right? No because they know the left has effectively checked you because they are the ruling class and decides what's what. You being obviously right but still a loser just solidifies this fact.

You can't argue against the winning ideology. They will use their power to win everytime. You have to fight as a dissident.

Posted by: banana Dream at April 20, 2022 06:01 PM (l6b3d)

367 FFS, it's Piers Morgan. What did Trump expect?

Love the guy but the stolen election schtick is a bad look, IMHO. Puts him in the same looney category as Hilary, The Russians Stole the Election, Clinton. Let it go, focus on the dramatic decline in every objective measure of political, economic, and foreign policy status of the USA under Biden. That will make him a shoe in for a second term.

But, he is who he is and has gotten where he is without my advice and counsel, so, there's that.

Posted by: steve walsh at April 20, 2022 06:04 PM (PBCuZ)

368
When VP Mike Pence tucked his tiny dick between his legs and refused to 'man up' and send two opposing sets of electoral voters back to the individual states, that's when the election was officially stolen and sanctified.

In my state that would have been one hell of a battle, front page news for weeks. Which it DAMNED WELL SHOULD HAVE BEEN. If you don't kick the guy back in the nuts who just kicked you in the nuts, he's only going to do it again.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at April 20, 2022 06:05 PM (dQvv7)

369 >>>"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." doesn't have to exclusively be used by the other side.

Okay well will you agree that if trump is going to continue talking about this he shouldn't babble about it but should have crisp, well-considered answers?

Trump is not a details guy. The problem with your "Build the wall!" analogy is that is a simple slogan. Making the case that he was cheated in 2020 is a complicated case. If he wants to make the case, he has to have a series of bullet points, boom boom boom boom boom boom, and deliver them crisply.

He doesn't. He's always babbling. He has no discipline. Everything's off the cuff and just made up on the spot and that doesn't work with a lot of stuff and it doesn't work with a legal/constitutional case about the fraudulence of an election.

So if he wants to make the case, then he should MAKE IT, but he should for once in his life have some damned discipline and commit to an outline and some study and repetition.

Posted by: ace at April 20, 2022 06:11 PM (0G13K)

370 Trump's message should be plain:

You want more famine, poverty, plague and death?

Vote for Biden (or whatever Democrat)

Or come with me if you want to live.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at April 20, 2022 06:12 PM (p1Fly)

371 Ace
Better check your ears
Trump was not cal and was shouting
Why he would even thought his command would be obeyed is beyond reason

Posted by: Kurt at April 20, 2022 06:14 PM (6Dwy3)

372 Love the guy but the stolen election schtick is a bad look, IMHO. Puts him in the same looney category as Hilary, The Russians Stole the Election, Clinton.

Posted by: steve walsh at April 20, 2022 06:04 PM (PBCuZ)

I get you but the mainstream thinks that the Hillary/Russians Stole the Election thing is legit. "They" don't think she's loony at all. Election integrity is fine to cry about if you're a Clinton, Gore, Abrams, Tapper, etc. Is the problem talking about conspiracies, or talking about conspiracies as someone right of Pelosi?

Posted by: turnout man at April 20, 2022 06:15 PM (7CyhL)

373 247 I hear tell Hannity is a Great American.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at April 20, 2022 05:27 PM (yENZo)
-------------

We agree, he's a swell guy. A real peach, that one! As honest as the day is long.

Posted by: Hammond Eggers, FBI SAIC at April 20, 2022 06:16 PM (lNHqD)

374 Fuck the CDC

Posted by: It's me donna at April 20, 2022 06:19 PM (+HFDN)

375
Making the case that he was cheated in 2020 is a complicated case.

Only something like 30 rock-solid bullet points to remember.

I'd like to think that I have the ability to present all of them in a debate. But I know I'd fall flat after a couple. Someone would challenge me after the first few, and I'd never be able to present each and every one of them.

But those 30 rock-solid bullet points remain.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at April 20, 2022 06:21 PM (dQvv7)

376 Last video I saw of Hildabeast within last two weeks she was saying her election was stolen and got applause for it.
Think it was on a Bad Blue

Posted by: Skip at April 20, 2022 06:23 PM (2JoB8)

377 Fox giving this cretin a show, and Gutfeld having him on and praising him is disgusting. The guy is a leftwing asshole who is trying to act rightwing for the money, and again conservatives fall for it. All Piers cares about s himself and peeping through the windows of little children, and hopefully we can get Jeremy Clarkson to beat the shit out of him over that again.
Posted by: Rbastid at April 20, 2022 05:58 PM (Kst20)

Morgan got onboard a drive for a Fox news channel in England, then within a month denounced it and quit it. Guess the checks had cleared.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 20, 2022 06:29 PM (eoQWY)

378 Trump's message should be plain:

You want more famine, poverty, plague and death?

Vote for Biden (or whatever Democrat)

Or come with me if you want to live.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at April 20, 2022 06:12 PM (p1Fly)

I think that is his message. But I like the way you put it.

Posted by: LASue at April 20, 2022 06:51 PM (5y7pR)

379 At certain points in 2016 and later, Piers Morgan was defending Trump. More attacking the media for the dishonest way they were attacking Trump and his supporters.

Posted by: MikeN at April 20, 2022 06:55 PM (o/eHL)

380 Trump should've channeled Jeremy Clarkson and punched Pierced Organ square in the face.

Posted by: Scott at April 20, 2022 08:38 PM (nWO/8)

381 So Trump's people released the full interview, which showed that this whole thing was BS created by Piers to create drama where there wasn't any. Once again Piers is at thre forefront of fake news, and hopefully his contract gets immediately terminated over this...... and then Clarkson sits on his face.

Posted by: Rbastid at April 20, 2022 09:05 PM (Kst20)

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