Gun Thread: Easter Edition!

There's a hare in my scope!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Happy Easter! We all know Easter is a time for buying ammo and going to the range and sending Weasel range reports, don't we? Please be cooperative and fulfill your Gun Thread Easter obligations!

FLASH! Big News!! The 2022 NoVAMoMe is scheduled for Saturday, June 11th! and signup details on the main page left sidebar. Given its wild popularity, tickets for the Saturday June 11th event are going fast, so add some fun to your otherwise uninspired daily existence and register today! Let's be realistic, what else do you have to do on Saturday, June 11th? C'mon, man! It's not like you're doing anything on Saturday, June 11th, so why not sign up for a day of fun with your blog pals on Saturday, June 11th? See below for details and registration info!

This is MoMe season, with other Moron gatherings on the calendar in Colorado, Washington, Alaska and Texas. Holy Shitballs! It's a dang MoMe-palooza! Take a peek at the main page left sidebar, find a MoMe near you, and sign up to attend one. You won't regret it!

With that, let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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Training Basics

I often have the good fortune to work with new shooters introducing them to the shooting sports. In this case I am not talking about teaching advanced long distance shooting techniques, but rather spending time with the average guy or gal who has expressed an interest in firearms. Maybe they have a handgun, or are interested in buying one, or sometimes they are just using one of mine. Whatever the case, they may be a beginner, or sometimes even have a little bit of range time under their belt and are looking to improve their results.

In the abstract, shooting is pretty simple. Point the gun at the middle of the target and without moving it, squeeze the trigger. BAM! Bullet hole in the exact center. Congratulations! You're fully trained.

What do you mean it's not that simple? Did I leave something out? Perhaps a strange and mystical incantation to appease the range gods? Point the gun at the target, don't wiggle it around, and pull the trigger. I don't know about all y'all, but that's what I do and it seems to work. What's your problem?

OK, Weasel is using hyperbole to make a point. If I were to make a list of the things to do, it could be as short as those three big points, or as many as a dozen or more smaller individual points within each needed to get to those bigger outcomes. How in the world do you learn (or teach) all the myriad steps necessary to develop consistent and repeatable grip and stance mechanics, sight alignment, and trigger control, in a single day? The answer is you don't. You can't. It's impossible. You may run across someone who appears to be a natural shooter from time to time, and that's great, but it takes a lot of time and practice to become a really good and consistent shooter.

The point I am trying to make is you need to approach learning to shoot incrementally. Don't watch a bunch of YouTube Videos and read a bunch of gun forums (this one excepted) and head to the range expecting to be Wyatt Earp on day one. It simply isn't going to happen, and what you will likely do is pick up a lot of other people's bad habits in the process.

So what Weasel Teachings do I have to offer? What is the WeaselWay? Let me offer you some points to consider.

Establish and Manage Goals - A day at the range looks much different for someone who just wants to shoot for funsies during an afternoon, and someone who has set an objective of becoming a better shooter. Sometimes goals can change over time and the casual 50 round once-per-year shooter decides they want to up their game. No problem with that, and in fact I encourage it because I like shooting, however, the paths they take are very different. Goals are individual but a reasonable one for a new shooter might be something like 70% of rounds on target. Take your targets home and study them. Keeps records. If you aren't achieving your progress goals, then analyze why.

Establish and Manage Expectations - Have a plan. If your plan is to have fun for a few hours and forget about shooting until next time, then just have fun and forget it until next time. If you want to become a consistently better shooter you have to practice and that means an investment of time and money. If you do not want to waste your time and money, then a training plan with sensible goals and milestones is in order but again, manage your expectations. Despite my earlier characterization, shooting consistently well is not as easy as it seems. Some will pick up good shooting habits more quickly than others. It's part art and part science, and do not expect to master any of it quickly. Everyone has bad days at the range. Make whatever caused you trouble on your last range trip the first thing you concentrate on the next time at the range.

Learn the Fundamentals First - First things first. Learn the basics until they are second nature. Do you learn advanced mathematics by starting at the back of the book? Of course not. You start at the beginning, and it's no different with shooting. Stance and grip, sight alignment and trigger discipline are all elements which must be learned individually and applied collectively. Much of the process is just learning the correct technique and applying it consistently through muscle memory. Think of it like riding a bike, at first you're all wobbly and crashing into stuff but with enough practice it's second nature. Shooting is precisely the same way. If you develop bad habits, you'll eventually have to unlearn them and are just making the hill steeper. Picking up a gun and finding the right grip should come automatically. Same with a good sight picture, trigger habits and all the rest.

Smart Practice - Your time and money are valuable, so be smart on how you spend them. Again, have a plan and at first do not try and apply everything at once, which almost always returns disappointing results because there is much to master. Start with grip and stance, then sight alignment, then trigger discipline as you practice. Pick one element and focus on that when you head to the range. Learn the whole process in layers. When you begin to feel comfortable with one area then switch to another. If you're getting tired, take a break. You are using large muscles and small muscles at the same time and may have to work on your endurance.

I tell people not to place a lot of emphasis on making groups on the target in the beginning at all. I am being completely serious. Of course it's fun to have a target with a ragged hole in the middle, but that should not be your initial objective as you learn. For beginners, set up the target at a reasonable distance, say 20 feet, and as long as you are simply hitting the target somewhere, do not worry about group size. Focus on the fundamentals first and foremost and the little groups will almost always follow by themselves.

Choose One Gun - It's fun to shoot lots of different guns on a range trip and there is nothing wrong with trying something new. When you are practicing though, pick one gun you like and stick with that. I often take five or six different guns to the farm and will switch among them during a range session. When you're learning to shoot, however, this can slow your progress because you are essentially starting from scratch each time you pick the next one up. Every gun has a slightly different feel whether it's from ergonomics, caliber, trigger feel and a host of other factors. Decide on a training gun and practice mostly with that one.

Final Thoughts - Shooting is fun and enjoyable. Shooting well is a skill which is developed over time through practice. If you aren't seeing the results you expect, take a video of yourself shooting or ask a range buddy to watch and offer suggestions. Again, don't try and learn the whole enchilada at once, rather take it in manageable chunks and concentrating on one aspect when you go to the range. Realize that what you're doing is a complex activity combining gross and fine motor skills, hand-eye coordination and even endurance. Combining them all takes skill acquired through repetitive practice. Lots and lots of practice.

Finally, don't forget to have fun!

P.S. If there is any interest, email me or speak up in the comments and I can elaborate on these points in future threads by examining each in a little more detail. It may not be the only way of doing something, but it'll be the WeaselWay.

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Triggers Part Dos

Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit, looks like I have a correction to make!

Whoops! Whoopsie-doodle!

You may recall our discussion last Sunday on triggers and the various nomenclature related to their operation. Among other brilliant observations, I included the following:

Trigger Creep - positive trigger movement which does not cause the sear to move
Trigger Wall - the point when the trigger mechanism first engages the resistance of the sear
Trigger Break - the point where the trigger movement causes the sear to release the hammer

I received a nice email from our pal Navig8r correcting one of the points I made, specifically on the definition of trigger creep.

Navig8er writes:

I would make a minor correction to your discussion of triggers in this week's AoS Gun Thread.
I disagree with the above definition of Trigger Creep. Trigger Creep is the positive trigger movement (after Trigger Wall) which does cause the sear to move. I have found several other web sites that agree on this point, to include
the one that you linked to later in the column.
The article states:
"I divide trigger pull into four major stages:
Pre-travel: The trigger's movement from the trigger's initial starting position until the sear moves, causing a gun to fire. The terms take-up (also call trigger slack), the wall, and creep are all a part of pretravel. Take-up refers to any 'positive' movement of the trigger that does not cause the sear to move and does not engage the mainspring. The wall is the point where the trigger action first engages the resistance of the sear. Creep is any 'positive' movement of the trigger that does cause the sear to move (emphasis added) and does engage the mainspring.
Break: The point of the trigger action where the sear releases the hammer (or the striker, depending on the type of action). This is the stage where your gun goes bang.
Over-travel: Any 'positive' movement of the trigger after the break.
Reset: The 'negative' movement (i.e., the trigger moves away from you) of the trigger to the point that the trigger re-engages the sear (or the striker, depending on the type of action), and the gun can be fired again."

Looks like I ought to actually read the links I include here!

Navig8r went on to write:

Adding my sometimes less than humble opinion to the discussion on which are the most important trigger parameters, I believe that what happens after the break is the greatest area of concern for deliberate, precision shooting. Short of having the generally accepted definition of an ideal trigger (light pull, breaks like glass, no over travel), then the greatest enemy of precision is a sharp break followed by an over travel with much less resistance than the resistance immediately preceding the break. Finger pressure on the trigger is acting to take the weapon off target, but you are resisting with the other factors of your hold of the weapon so the weapon remains on target. When the trigger breaks, the pressures are momentarily unbalanced and the weapon lurches off target.
If the over travel cannot be eliminated, then a trigger design that maintains the same to gently increasing pressure through and after the break will eliminate the lurch.
Other aspects of trigger pull such as take up, creep, staging, stacking, weight of pull may be annoying depending on individual preferences, but are not the enemies of precision that lurch during over travel is.
As noted in the Power Point epistle I sent you on dry firing a while back, with experimentation and practice it is possible to reduce or eliminate lurch from a less than wonderful trigger (mainly by concentrating on getting the forces and motions precisely aligned fore and aft with respect to the bore), but the discussion thread was about selecting a good trigger in the first place.

Nicely done, Navig8r! Thank you! I can't recall where I sourced the original definitions, but they are certainly contradicted by the linked article, which upon review, makes sense. I appreciate your taking the time to follow up and correct the error for the benefit of everyone!

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First up, our pal and delightful 'ette nurse r sends in a brief, but nevertheless excellent, range report.

16 rounds at 7 yards with the Walther PPQ. Guess which one was the flinch?

No real surprise here, nice shooting nurse!!

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Next up, our pal Our Country is Screwed shares a quick video example of ways to clear an extraction failure.

Saw this video on a twitter account I check on and thought I'd share the wealth. 4 ways to clear type 3 Failure To Extracts. For newer shooters, it is important to work the problem, and go slow and be safe.

4 ways to clear type 3 failure to extract- pic.twitter.com/TaR0hBskcT
— ₩₳Ɽ ₱₳₮Ⱨ (@WarPath2pt0) April 7, 2022

Thanks Our Country is Screwed!!

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Shootin' Steel

We shoot steel targets a lot at WeaselAcres. It's fun and the feedback is fairly instantaneous. Once in place you don't waste any time with setup, and they only require periodic touch up with spray paint as you use them.

What happens to the bullet on impact with AR500 Steel? I wanted to embed a video, but stoopid YouTube won't allow it. Anyhow, here's a link to a good video.

Bullet splatter is a real thing. Please protect your eyeballs!

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Shootin' Bench

Recently someone inquired regarding the table sometimes seen in the shooting videos from WeaselAcres. It's an OmniTable-4-in-1-Portable-Work-Table-Bench which I picked up from Home Depot, but you can find them a lot of places online for about the same $150 price.

I have to say I have been particularly pleased with this table as a shooting bench, although I originally purchased it as a general work table. It has a bunch of other features and is very sturdy and well made. At $150 I consider it a decent buy. WeaselApproved!

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Bigly Bomb Test Footage
Gosh darn it - who doesn't like a good atomic explosion?

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Gun Basics 101
Here is a good video from the She Equips Herself gal on handgun cleaning. Bonus for Morons - no complicated words!

SEH gal makes a point in the video on cleaning frequency. It isn't really necessary to clean your gun at the molecular level each time you shoot it. I keep my carry gun reasonably clean, but let's just say I have a relaxed standard for cleaning all the others. Just as SEH gal mentions, I used to clean them faithfully after each and every range trip and considered that part of my process, but as time went by have fallen out of the habit.

How about you? How often are you cleaning your guns? After each use, or some other frequency?

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Cigar of the Week
Our pal rhomboid shares a new find!

Joya de Nicaragua Antano Connecticut, toro size (6 X 50). Discovered this via a sampler pack. Rated "90" by Cigar Afficionado. A Connecticut with a difference - more medium-bodied (some listings rate it as "full", but I think that's overstating things). More depth and flavor than many Connecticuts, but still smooth and easy smoking. Good candidate for mild-cigar smokers wanting to tip-toe up the strength scale just a bit. Paired here with a big mug of Cafe du Monde chicory coffee on a cool afternoon.

Thanks for the tip, rhomboid!

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Is this how you light your cigar?

Seems complicated! I toast the foot with my trusty ol' Zippo and I'm off to the races. Lots of cigar experts cringe at the thought of using a Zippo, feeling the lighter fluid imparts a taste to the cigar, but I frankly haven't noticed it. Plus I like my Zippo!

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ATTENTION NoVaMoMe 2022!!

The social and cultural event of the season, NoVaMoMe 2022 is on the calendar! That's right, you people have a chance to meet many of your online pals on Saturday, June 11th beginning at 1pm until dark, or such time as it gets busted up by the cops. We have an exciting location in the Northern Virginia area which allows extended time for visiting. Admission is $25 which includes food and soft drinks, with a cash bar. This year the menu is BBQ chicken and pork with the usual sides and cookies for dessert. Appetizers begin just after 1pm and dinner is 3pm. Want to be one of the cool kids? Just send an email to novamome at protonmail dot cee oh emm, pass the rigorous screening process to obtain registration details, then sign up to attend! Easy-Peasy!

Each year, I spend a fair amount of time haranguing people to come to a MoMe. Any MoMe! I cannot overemphasize how much fun these things are, and how much we want YOU to come! We plan for the crowd in general but also consider the needs of the introvert lurkers and provide plenty of potted plants for those so inclined to hide behind. All kidding aside, you are completely welcome to slink-in, eat, drink and people-watch, and then slink-out. It is a 100% zero pressure event. If you can handle a backyard picnic, you can definitely handle this.

Win a Dream Date with Weasel!
Back by tepid demand, a separate raffle for the Gun Thread gift basket will be held. This fabulous prize includes an entire day of shooting and personalized one-on-one handgun & rifle coaching and instruction at Weasel Acres on a mutually agreeable date with yours truly. The lucky winner will be able to not only bring and shoot their own weapons, but also try out a variety of WeaselWeapons using WeaselAmmo!

We will end the day with dinner at a good Mexican place in nearby Appomattox. Pretty much a dream date with Weasel! The winner will be responsible for their travel to and from Central Virginia, hence the separate drawing.

Don't be a pathetic girly-man loser, register today!

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Link-O-Rama

I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop

***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag is from our pal JT

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Bang!

Posted by: Skip at April 17, 2022 07:00 PM (2JoB8)

2 Thanks for the thread, Weasel.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at April 17, 2022 07:01 PM (7bRMQ)

3 I think I missed the rascawwy rabbit.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 07:01 PM (5pTK/)

4 Okay, how did I try to post "Bang" and skip beat me to it?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 07:02 PM (5pTK/)

5 hiya

Posted by: JT at April 17, 2022 07:02 PM (arJlL)

6 Posted by: OrangeEnt at April 17, 2022 07:01 PM (7bRMQ)
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you bet!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 07:03 PM (0IeYL)

7 Yes i been to the range. So much gub stuff.

Howdy gub threaders!

Posted by: blaster at April 17, 2022 07:04 PM (9otr5)

8 There's a hare in my scope!

Is it angry? Because then it would be a...

Posted by: Oddbob at April 17, 2022 07:04 PM (nfrXX)

9 Hiya Weasel !

Happy Easter !

Posted by: JT at April 17, 2022 07:05 PM (arJlL)

10 Eromeros at Braims for Easter Sundaes!

Posted by: Eromero at April 17, 2022 07:05 PM (2cw8C)

11 Skip-

Its supposed to get near freezing tonite !

Posted by: JT at April 17, 2022 07:05 PM (arJlL)

12 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at April 17, 2022 07:07 PM (NacE+)

13 Dadgumit, that's Braums, as any Texan knows.

Posted by: Eromero at April 17, 2022 07:07 PM (2cw8C)

14 What's better for rabbit, .22 or .17?

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 17, 2022 07:08 PM (II3Gr)

15 First pic is cute. I chuckled. And this is just a quick drive by 'til maybe later. Grandkids 3rd Birthday. Gotta run! L8tR

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at April 17, 2022 07:08 PM (Iw46i)

16 Good evening everyone. Thank you Weasel, once again, for hosting.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 17, 2022 07:08 PM (e1mwr)

17 Howdy! Howdy one and all!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 07:08 PM (uaDN9)

18 If so this is the first time I used Bang as a first.
Really need to order if J can't find at a box store sulfur to get my homemade gunpowder going, probably watched 6 videos on it this weekend.

Posted by: Skip at April 17, 2022 07:09 PM (2JoB8)

19 OT, my apologies Weasel, but the story at Insty about people being shocked about getting Chinese Lung AIDS even though they are vaccinated and boosted is hilarious.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 17, 2022 07:09 PM (dNqv+)

20 Lighting a cigar with a sliver of dried cedar is da bomb.
I never use lighters on a cigar unless I have nothing else.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 17, 2022 07:09 PM (jTmQV)

21 What's better for rabbit, .22 or .17?
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 17, 2022 07:08 PM (II3Gr)
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I'm going with 22, because .17 HMR is a very fast moving round and would probably explode a good portion of the rabbit.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 07:09 PM (5pTK/)

22 Thing 1. After a trip to weasel acres I have come to the conclusion that all handguns will have optics. It's gonna happen.

So money where my mouth is: got an adapter plate and a green dot for my P226.

My 29 yo eyes thank me. But, systems are a thing. Apparently my 226 was iffy on 115gn rounds. After adding the optic kit was 1/3 FTF. But 124gn is perfect. (It wouldn't lock back on empty mag with 115 I thought it was the mags. But with 124 it locks back with the optic on board)

Posted by: blaster at April 17, 2022 07:10 PM (9otr5)

23 Thank you for the thread, as usual, weasel!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 07:11 PM (5pTK/)

24 Okay, how did I try to post "Bang" and skip beat me to it?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing

Skip was faster on the draw.

Posted by: JT at April 17, 2022 07:12 PM (arJlL)

25 Hare in my scope. That's funny and the bunny is adorable:

And I liked the MoMe Invitation:

add some fun to your otherwise uninspired daily existence and register today! Let's be realistic, what else do you have to do on Saturday, June 11th? C'mon, man! It's not like you're doing anything on Saturday, June 11th.

Actually I get ready for church on Sunday on a Saturday but I appreciate the invitation. It made me laugh,

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2022 07:14 PM (fF2aM)

26 Packrat in a scope... probably makes it difficult to concentrate on the crosshairs.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 17, 2022 07:16 PM (6wEBw)

27 Oh, one thing I'd like to mention about shooting on a regular basis: It not only is a good way to develop good habits, it's also how one spots bad habits and works through correcting the problem.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 07:16 PM (5pTK/)

28 Happy Easter, Weasel, and to all the Horde.

Love that top photo. Adorable is always welcome.

Your write up on how to introduce folks to shooting was spot on. It's the approach I've used over the years. Fortunately, one doesn't have to be an expert, like a certain Weasel I could mention, to teach the basics. Refinements can come later. Safety, sight picture, squeeze the trigger and keep the distances short so they can see their success and improvements.

Posted by: JTB at April 17, 2022 07:17 PM (7EjX1)

29 Win a dream date with Weasel. Is dinner included?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2022 07:17 PM (fF2aM)

30 I'd like to ask for the Horde's input please: I need a barrel for an AR 223/5.56 project build.

Functionality -- This is for a back forty fun/HD rifle. Top quality precision for long range shooting is not needed. Other than plinking, my guy will not be putting too many rounds through it. He normally shoots out of the box 55gr Remington PMC FMJ or comparable Winchester ammo.

So, I'm currently thinking a 16in, government/standard profile, 1 in 9 in twist, mid-length gas system, nitrided barrel. I don't have specific manufacturers in mind -- certainly open to any suggestions and advice. Thank you.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 17, 2022 07:18 PM (e1mwr)

31 29 Win a dream date with Weasel. Is dinner included?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2022 07:17 PM (fF2aM)
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It is!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 07:18 PM (0IeYL)

32 Is the gun fun always this funny-or am I just really tired and so everything is hilarious?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2022 07:18 PM (fF2aM)

33 Is the gun fun always this funny-or am I just really tired and so everything is hilarious?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2022 07:18 PM (fF2aM)
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Umm, yes, yes it is!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 07:19 PM (5pTK/)

34 Easter afternoon was cleaning time -- two rifles and two pistols that I'd been shooting several days this week.
The SOCOM 16 in particular was nasty, all sorts of gunk in the nooks and crannies. I don't think it was the ammo, which was good old GI Lake City. Maybe too much lube that I should have wiped down before shooting. My old DI would have said, "Excess oil, Maggot!"

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at April 17, 2022 07:20 PM (uldoW)

35 Hey Weasel! Yes, I got to the range and I'll have a write-up for you during the week.

I also sent you some photos and a fascinating discussion of the Type 14 Nambu and the Ballester-Molina.

Not that I'm teasing it or anything...

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 07:20 PM (llXky)

36 32 Is the gun fun always this funny-or am I just really tired and so everything is hilarious?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2022 07:18 PM (fF2aM)
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I'm pretty funny! Strangely, after 17 years of marriage, WeaselWoman no longer thinks so.

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 07:21 PM (uaDN9)

37 https://tinyurl.com/yckjz7ht
20 Tweets from Bad Blue

Watch 14

Posted by: Skip at April 17, 2022 07:22 PM (2JoB8)

38 O.K. I'll leave the shooters to this thread. I don't have a gun and have never shot a gun, but am defintely in support of gun owner's right, so maybe I should try to win a dream date with Weasel.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2022 07:22 PM (fF2aM)

39 I'm still waiting for True Velocity polymer case ammo to make it to retail stores. I read last year that they were going to sell the .308 to the public but a box of 20 would cost $70. Very proud of their product.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 17, 2022 07:23 PM (PCUPG)

40 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 07:20 PM (llXky)
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Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 07:23 PM (0IeYL)

41 Lack of range report: So, after my last competition, I noticed a USPSA match was on the calendar.

Very cool, because USPSA is all out pistol run n gun fun. I got everything ready, went to double check the time...and the match was cancelled!

Oh well, there's always next month.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 07:24 PM (5pTK/)

42 Have you looked at Palmetto's stuff Tonypete?

Posted by: fd at April 17, 2022 07:24 PM (vrz2I)

43 I'm still waiting for True Velocity polymer case ammo to make it to retail stores.

What problem is this supposed to solve, especially at that price?

Posted by: Oddbob at April 17, 2022 07:25 PM (nfrXX)

44 Happy Easter. I have a question for all out there. Midway sells a chronograph, American made, Competition Electronics brand. Very inexpensive, just over $100. Does anybody have experience with these? Due to infirmities, my shooting is getting to be more and more off a bench. I can get real nerdy at times, and I think a chronograph with a logbook and calculator could pass the time.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 17, 2022 07:25 PM (lz5hY)

45 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2022 07:22 PM (fF2aM)
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You should!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 07:25 PM (0IeYL)

46 Definitely 22 for rabbits. It has over a century of proven effectiveness and costs a LOT less for the ammo.

If you are feeling historical, use a 32 caliber muzzleloader or a 20 gauge fowler.

Posted by: JTB at April 17, 2022 07:25 PM (7EjX1)

47 I taught Hunter Safety for 20 years, mostly youth but we could have everything up to 70 year old grandmothers in a class. The second-to-last day was a live-fire Range Day, which always was a huge amount of fun. From this I have become convinced of two things:

The young girls are the best students. Mainly, because they listen and pay attention. It was not unusual for a girl who paid attention and worked at it to outshoot a boy the same age.

Every shooter should start out with .22LR, and not move up to a larger caliber until experienced and competent with that.

Posted by: The Neon Madman at April 17, 2022 07:26 PM (KSXRc)

48 Also DMV MGC (-) (for you non Army types that means a subset) went to the range to shoot said 226. And also a rented Glock 48 with a Crimson Trace red dot. And a new EP9 with the world famous $20 Gaialoop red dot. And an SP5k with irons. Oh and a Glock 44 with irons.

We learned that swa has become a very good shooter. Well better than Ed L and I pretty much!

Also have her almost bracketed on firearm selection. G48 MOS is on the bubble.

Posted by: blaster at April 17, 2022 07:26 PM (9otr5)

49 Here. Digesting my ham and scalloped potatoes. Reading the content.
Now posting!

Posted by: RI Red at April 17, 2022 07:26 PM (fP5Lg)

50 Definitely 22 for rabbits. It has over a century of proven effectiveness and costs a LOT less for the ammo.

If you are feeling historical, use a 32 caliber muzzleloader or a 20 gauge fowler.

Posted by: JTB at April 17, 2022 07:25 PM (7EjX1)
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I remember hunting rabbits with a 20-gauge but one of our party (the most experienced) was using a .22 revolver.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 07:27 PM (llXky)

51 Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 07:21 PM (uaDN9)

I'm sure she does, although after being married for much longer than 17 years I can tell you that each spouse seem to have recurrent "bits" which were probably funnier 17 or more years ago .

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2022 07:27 PM (fF2aM)

52 I've had some experience teaching firends (especially women) how to shoot, and I teach the third method he shows. It's easier for a novice shooter, in my opinion. It's also one that doesn't depend on having a spare mag (that most CC holders don't have). The fourth method seems...unlikely, and potentially impractical.

I was in an IDPA tournament (Steel City in Birmingham, AL) and had two failures to extract cost me first place. I got really good at clearing these while my M&P Pro was having its extractor replaced.

A cop friend of mine asked me to teach his wife how to shoot defensively. (My wife was teaching him some cooking techniques. Strangest wife swap EVER!) I had her to the point she could recognize (TAP RACK BANG NO WORK! EXTRACTION PROBLEM!) an FTE and get the gun working in about 6 seconds. Not as fast as this guy, but not bad.

Posted by: SARDiver at April 17, 2022 07:27 PM (Cmxw7)

53 I'm still waiting for True Velocity polymer case ammo to make it to retail stores.

What problem is this supposed to solve, especially at that price?
Posted by: Oddbob at April 17, 2022 07:25 PM (nfrXX)

30% lighter and they clam less heat expelled and more consistent.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 17, 2022 07:27 PM (PCUPG)

54 If you are planning on eating the rabbit, shooting it will ruin a lot of meat.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 17, 2022 07:28 PM (jTmQV)

55 I wonder if the polymer ammo would able to be reloaded? I am kind of guessing no.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 17, 2022 07:28 PM (dNqv+)

56 .22 should be fine for wabbits

Posted by: Skip at April 17, 2022 07:28 PM (2JoB8)

57
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 17, 2022 07:25 PM (lz5hY)
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No experience with that particular brand. I like the MagnetoSpeed and LabRadar but they're pricey and pricier.

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 07:28 PM (0IeYL)

58 What problem is this supposed to solve, especially at that price?
Posted by: Oddbob at April 17, 2022 07:25 PM (nfrXX)

30% lighter and they clam less heat expelled and more consistent.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 17, 2022 07:27 PM (PCUPG)

I forgot to agree with you that at that price those advantages don't justify the price for me at this time.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 17, 2022 07:29 PM (PCUPG)

59 Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 17, 2022 07:28 PM (jTmQV)

Don't hunt that baby wabbit.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2022 07:29 PM (fF2aM)

60 I didn't have any firearms related activities this week. Bummer! I hope to correct that in the next few days. There's a flintlock pistol trying to get my attention lately.

Posted by: JTB at April 17, 2022 07:30 PM (7EjX1)

61 Posted by: The Neon Madman at April 17, 2022 07:26 PM (KSXRc)
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Agreed on both points!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 07:30 PM (0IeYL)

62 Maybe that polymer ammo will be like Polaroid cameras. The more they make and the more accepted it comes the cheaper it will get. Just threw that out there. There may be some sub 29 years old types here who ask "what the hell is a Polaroid camera"?

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 17, 2022 07:31 PM (lz5hY)

63 The best "rack tap and clear" I've ever seen was a female police officer who was attacked by a guy wielding a knife, or, perhaps a screw driver. It was astonishing how quickly he got on her, but, she kept her cool, and put the guy down.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 07:31 PM (5pTK/)

64 wonder if the polymer ammo would able to be reloaded? I am kind of guessing no.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 17, 2022 07:28 PM (dNqv+)

You are correct but but for clean up purposes they can still be picked up with a magnet because the base is steel.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 17, 2022 07:31 PM (PCUPG)

65 Posted by: RI Red at April 17, 2022 07:26 PM (fP5Lg)
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Howdy bro!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 07:31 PM (0IeYL)

66 The best "rack tap and clear" I've ever seen was a female police officer who was attacked by a guy wielding a knife, or, perhaps a screw driver. It was astonishing how quickly he got on her, but, she kept her cool, and put the guy down.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 07:31 PM (5pTK/)

Yes that was posted here a while back. Impressive.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 17, 2022 07:32 PM (PCUPG)

67 Little Bunny!

Posted by: The Skipper at April 17, 2022 07:32 PM (63Dwl)

68 So now that my P226 is 124gn hungry, I need to process my stockpile to replace the 115gn with 124 because different types of same caliber is it's own caliber sprawl. All future purchases of range ammo will be 124 gn and existing stockpile will go to feed other 9s until it's used up.

Posted by: blaster at April 17, 2022 07:33 PM (9otr5)

69 Fen, we are deadly funny around here.

Posted by: RI Red at April 17, 2022 07:33 PM (fP5Lg)

70 Excellent as always.

Posted by: Rancherbob at April 17, 2022 07:34 PM (gtu9W)

71 Win a dream date with Weasel. Is dinner included?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2022 07:17 PM (fF2aM)
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It is!
Posted by: Weasel

Spaghetti Os and as a special he'll heat them before serving!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 17, 2022 07:35 PM (6wEBw)

72 I can say for sure that I'm funnier than Trevor Noah and he's a professional comedian !!!

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 17, 2022 07:35 PM (PCUPG)

73 Also mama knows my next want is a P365XL with a Romeo Zero on it and Fathers Day is coming up.

Posted by: blaster at April 17, 2022 07:35 PM (9otr5)

74 57 Thanks Weasel. For the price, I think it's worth a try. There's a couple guys around here with some high dollar professional type chronographs and maybe I can get a couple exemplars from them.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 17, 2022 07:35 PM (lz5hY)

75 68 So now that my P226 is 124gn hungry, I need to process my stockpile to replace the 115gn with 124 because different types of same caliber is it's own caliber sprawl. All future purchases of range ammo will be 124 gn and existing stockpile will go to feed other 9s until it's used up.

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Bought a P226 from a friend not long ago. Great pistol! I shoot it better than my HK P30 or P30L. I can understand why the SEALs went with those instead of the M9.

Posted by: SARDiver at April 17, 2022 07:35 PM (Cmxw7)

76 30% lighter and they clam less heat expelled and more consistent.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 17, 2022 07:27 PM (PCUPG)
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I think one of the problems with polymer ammo is heat, in that the brass from conventional ammo also doubles as a heat sink for the firearm.

I believe Herschel Smith discussed the heat sink issue over at his blog, Captains Journal.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 07:35 PM (5pTK/)

77 Quick range report ...

We've been plagued by painters in the house the last two weeks. The schedule has suffered mightily! But have been twice and worked at 21' and 25' distances: first on the 25 dot drill (3" dots, 5 across and 5 down) and then on "Q" targets (similar to the FBI silhouette). The 5 dot is a hoot, first as slow fire and then timed to 25 seconds. My coach was a world ranked shooter at one time and is scary good. Without practice, he's around 75-80%. Me ... well, at 25 seconds I made it to around 15 and broke down laughing when the target turned away from me. It's a lot of fun and certainly a fine way to be humbled in less than a minute.

I'd add one thing to Weasel's tips up above: challenge yourself! It's been interesting to see how shooting "above my skill level" focuses and improves a skill set. Apparently there's something about it that's different from what happens with repetitive practice.

Been getting ready for Summer Carry Season and practicing with the HK P2000SK - LEM. I know lots of people who don't care for the trigger, but the DAO style demands attention. Can't hide any flaws. It's a great little gun and easy to carry.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at April 17, 2022 07:36 PM (MEbkQ)

78 Posted by: Tonypete at April 17, 2022 07:18 PM (e1mwr)

You might want to consider a 20" barrel as well. 55 grain FMJ was originally designed for a 20" barrel with a 1 in 14 twist. If you want to retain some ability to use rounds with different weights, consider going w/ the GI 1 in 7 twist. Heavier bullets (62 grain green tip in particular) lose their accuracy coming out of the 1 in 14 or 1 in 12 twist barrels. There was a reason we were told not to fire green tips out of M16A1s.

Posted by: Ed L at April 17, 2022 07:37 PM (NacE+)

79 Bought a P226 from a friend not long ago. Great pistol! I shoot it better than my HK P30 or P30L. I can understand why the SEALs went with those instead of the M9.
Posted by: SARDiver at April 17, 2022 07:35 PM (Cmxw

SEALs have now switched to the Glock 19.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 17, 2022 07:38 PM (PCUPG)

80 How does one obtain a raffle ticket for this dream date with Weasel? If Fen decides to go for it, I think I'll purchase one for her. Maybe that'll be enough to spring for an upgrade to Spaghetti-Os with meatballs?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 17, 2022 07:38 PM (a3Q+t)

81 Posted by: Rancherbob at April 17, 2022 07:34 PM (gtu9W)
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Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 07:39 PM (0IeYL)

82 Thanks Skip !

Posted by: JT at April 17, 2022 07:39 PM (arJlL)

83 Howdy, Weasel!
No range time today. Something about mumble mumble family time.
But it was waffles this morning with brand new maple syruple, then Easter ham dinner, now future DIL is making blueberry turnovers.
And I did load 30 6.5 CM rounds, with match bullets and benchrest primers. And sonic cleaned a couple hundred .45 cases.
A very respectful religious day.

Posted by: RI Red at April 17, 2022 07:39 PM (fP5Lg)

84 Happy Easter everyone!!! Just a quick hello. Enjoying the holiday at one of mybrother's, so no commenting except for this one.

Take care, see ya next week!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 17, 2022 07:39 PM (Q7Gab)

85 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 07:35 PM (5pTK/)

They claim less heat transfer. I'm not a biologist, I mean a mechanical engineer, so I don't know.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 17, 2022 07:40 PM (PCUPG)

86 To add to Blaster's range report...
I had a great day yesterday. It was one of those days when everything seems to go right. I rented the G48 MOS because I was hoping the very slim grip would give me better access to the trigger. Fit was perfect. Although the slide was a little stiff, I shot really well even though it was lighter than my G44. I think it was a brand new addition to the rental collection and we were thinking that maybe I was the first person to shoot it.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 17, 2022 07:40 PM (Y+l9t)

87 79 Bought a P226 from a friend not long ago. Great pistol! I shoot it better than my HK P30 or P30L. I can understand why the SEALs went with those instead of the M9.
Posted by: SARDiver at April 17, 2022 07:35 PM (Cmxw

SEALs have now switched to the Glock 19.
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At the time, the P226 and M9 were engaged in the battle to replace the vaunted 1911 as their normal carry pistol. The DoD decided that the per copy price of the P226 was too high, and went with the Beretta. The SEALs chose the P226 anyway.

Personally never been a Glock fan, but if they like them, great.

Posted by: SARDiver at April 17, 2022 07:40 PM (Cmxw7)

88 Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 17, 2022 07:38 PM (a3Q+t)

I don't think I've had Spaghetti-0s since I was about 10 which was a very long time ago. I remember loathing them even then.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2022 07:41 PM (fF2aM)

89 O.K. Sorry to horn in. Have a good evening everyone.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2022 07:41 PM (fF2aM)

90 Posted by: SecondCityLurker at April 17, 2022 07:36 PM (MEbkQ)
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Match shooting at the club level is an excellent way to achieve exactly what you're describing.

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 07:42 PM (0IeYL)

91 Oh I also did a range trip to zero the P226 with the green dot. Or at least validate the zero I did with a laser boresite.

It was dead on.

So. Becoming a member at the range means that the incremental cost of going is ammo. And time and gas. Makes it easy just to go.

If I lived closer I'd go broke.

Posted by: blaster at April 17, 2022 07:42 PM (9otr5)

92 Guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at April 17, 2022 07:43 PM (eeRB6)

93 They claim less heat transfer. I'm not a biologist, I mean a mechanical engineer, so I don't know.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 17, 2022 07:40 PM (PCUPG)
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Yeah, but, heating from the friction of a bullet going down the barrel is probably where the problem lies. No matter how you slice it, there is going to be a ton of heat transfer at the throat, both from powder and the bullet.

My two cents, which is probably still overvalued, even with inflation.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 07:43 PM (5pTK/)

94 gonna buy a stack of IDPA targets off Amazon. Way cheaper than range prices and might as well train for IDPA target hits.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at April 17, 2022 07:43 PM (eeRB6)

95 Bill in Ak, I've had really good luck with my cheapo Caldwell chrono and you really just use them to compare with your brass and load data. Mine is packed in the car for for an early morning session!! Testing out my new 6.5 staball for my 6 Creedmoor!!

Posted by: ck at April 17, 2022 07:44 PM (iBg56)

96 Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 17, 2022 07:38 PM (a3Q+t)
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Dinner at a good family Mexican joint in Appomattox is included for the lucky winner! Regarding the raffle, I think we said last year you have to be present to win.

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 07:44 PM (0IeYL)

97 O.K. Sorry to horn in. Have a good evening everyone.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2022 07:41 PM (fF2aM)
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No reason to leave. We've barely begun to make fun of you, I mean, welcome you to the thread!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 07:45 PM (5pTK/)

98 Is that 30% weight reduction of the loaded round or just of the case? Because the thread is kind of slow and I'm feeling geekier than usual, I went and weighed an empty .308 case. It was right at 178 grains, which was more than I would have guessed before checking. With a 168 gr bullet and a nominal charge, that makes the case roughly 45% of the weight of the loaded round. I suppose if you're humping around several hundred rounds, it would make a difference.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 17, 2022 07:45 PM (nfrXX)

99 After shooting the G48, I pulled out my G44. After advice from Weasel, took the Hogue grip off which was making it difficult to pull the trigger. Did so,e of my best shooting of the day. Kind of sealed the deal knowing I would have a 22 practice gun. TheG48 and G44 almost identical in configuration except for the slimmer grip on the G48.
Then I started to run into a problem.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 17, 2022 07:45 PM (Y+l9t)

100 I don't think I've had Spaghetti-0s since I was about 10 which was a very long time ago. I remember loathing them even then.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2022 07:41 PM

It's a good-natured jape at Weasel. My understanding is that a very nice dinner at a good Mexican-style restaurant is included in the 'date'.

If you decide to enter, I will get another ticket for you.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 17, 2022 07:45 PM (a3Q+t)

101 Last time I went to a range (long ago, when we actually *had* ranges to go to...) you had to buy the targets from the range.
Same with ammo...

Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 17, 2022 07:46 PM (jTmQV)

102 Yesterday, my son took me to the range. It was a part of his Christmas gift to me. We have a spectacular hi-tech range nearby, and we went there. The range has a rental policy where you pay the rental fee, and can then swap out your original weapon at no charge for a different rental weapon during your range session. The only requirement is that you must purchase the range*s ammo for the rental. Before the canoe accident, I had several handguns. I am not well versed in rifles, so be kind if I use wrong words. We started with an AR platform rifle, then swapped it for a long barreled pistol in an AR platform. Both had red dot sights and were easy and fun to shoot. We finished up with an AK 47, which, excuse the pun, was a blast to shoot. We had a really fun day at the range!

Posted by: SuperMayorSuperRonNirenberg-Ready To Kick Baby Yoda*s Little Green Ass at April 17, 2022 07:46 PM (oIUsi)

103 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2022 07:41 PM (fF2aM)
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Pro Tip: They're much better cold out of the can.

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 07:46 PM (0IeYL)

104 Match shooting at the club level is an excellent way to achieve exactly what you're describing.
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Thanks Weasel. Thinking I need a bit more skill before embarrassing myself that well in public. And yes, that's what I've been thinking about.

Finished my RSO cert, but gas is too $$$ to drive to the range that wanted to hire me.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at April 17, 2022 07:46 PM (MEbkQ)

105 Anyway, speaking of IDPA, that's what I did yesterday.
Did ok, ended up 39th out of 63...so in the middle. Didn't make any glaring mistakes this time and completed all courses of fire.

I need to do more one handed drills, though.

It got pretty cold sometimes in Renton but no rain. So no complaints.

I need to also get more presenting practice with Bubby Fly (Glock 17). There's no reasonable way to use the sights as mounted so it's red dot or guesswork. And I did experience some 'find the dot' games that slowed me down a touch. Accuracy was pretty good, though, especially at range. Bubba is a lightweight, accurate platform and didn't choke on me...unlike some other shooter's guns. (wew lad, bringing an XDS you haven't sighted in with a recoil spring from a different pistol...yeah that'll cause trouble)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at April 17, 2022 07:47 PM (eeRB6)

106 Dinner at a good family Mexican joint in Appomattox is included for the lucky winner! Regarding the raffle, I think we said last year you have to be present to win.
Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 07:44 PM

Given my ability to get to NoVa is somewhere between delta and epsilon, I'm not looking to win myself, but rather boost Fen's chance by a small amount.

It's really cool you're offering that, Weasel, and a real opportunity for someone!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 17, 2022 07:48 PM (a3Q+t)

107 Posted by: Oddbob at April 17, 2022 07:45 PM (nfrXX)

If I read their side correctly the percentage is calculated on the unfired weight comparison.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 17, 2022 07:48 PM (PCUPG)

108 Problems, Sharon? You have your very own Moron Horde to solve them!
Or, make fun of them, make light of them, compare them to other problems, or go completely off topic.
We are here for you.

Posted by: RI Red at April 17, 2022 07:49 PM (fP5Lg)

109 More on the gun I forgot about. I picked up a Taurus Slim and threw it into a storage tote years ago, and came across it. Being a Taurus, I gave it a good shakedown. Couple boxes of crap ammo to get it good and dirty, followed by some crappier ammo, followed by some good stuff. Verdict, no FTF, no FTE. I may press this into service, IWB holster, small of back, accessible with left hand palm out. This is due to the cane. I have practiced hanging it from my right pocket and drawing, but if I'm on shaky footing left hand draw might come in handy.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 17, 2022 07:49 PM (lz5hY)

110 Found that the SP5K-PDW works better w/ standard pressure 9mm, not +P. I think the additional pressure makes the bolt cycle a bit too fast, causing jams when the casing doesn't have time to clear the weapon before the fresh round gets fed in.

Posted by: Ed L at April 17, 2022 07:49 PM (NacE+)

111 Apparently the new MOS versions of the 43x and 48 are really popular. No one local has one. My local gun shop says they can't get me one. I am hoping there maybe one at the gun show but shipping and transfer fees add to the cost.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 17, 2022 07:49 PM (Y+l9t)

112 Posted by: SecondCityLurker at April 17, 2022 07:46 PM (MEbkQ)
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No man! I have seen SO MANY people feel the same way and later regret not getting started sooner. I cannot overemphasize how much more you will focus after you get the first couple of matches behind you. Promise!!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 07:50 PM (0IeYL)

113 As I wrote in the range report from weasel acres, whatever you bid In the raffle it's not enough.

I think it would be awesome if we could get the Horde chaplain trained up at WA.

Posted by: blaster at April 17, 2022 07:50 PM (9otr5)

114 Pro Tip: They're much better cold out of the can.
Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 07:46 PM

Pro Pro Tip: The ~~fumes~~ smoke from a marble-sized pellet of C4 lit under the can to heat it add a certain gustatorial-boost to the consumption experience.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 17, 2022 07:51 PM (a3Q+t)

115 "How about you? How often are you cleaning your guns? After each use, or some other frequency?"

If it's a house gun, intended to protect the family, after every shooting session. If it's a gun I use for competition or target shooting, especially if it will be fired again with a month or two, about every 500-1000 rounds.

Posted by: SARDiver at April 17, 2022 07:51 PM (Cmxw7)

116 Steaks await, off go I!
Thanks for the thread, Weasel!

Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 17, 2022 07:52 PM (jTmQV)

117 It's really cool you're offering that, Weasel, and a real opportunity for someone!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 17, 2022 07:48 PM (a3Q+t)
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It benefits our charities and I am only too happy to do it. Thicc Boi won last year and seemed to enjoy himself. I also recently had Sharon (wa), blaster, Sra blaster, Iris and Hrothgar down for a weekend and they seemed to have fun too!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 07:53 PM (0IeYL)

118 @secondcitylurker, please don't wait until you "think" you're ready, because, honestly, you'll never be ready.

Standing at the line, shooting at paper versus moving and shooting on the clock, world of difference.

I've shot multiple matches at different ranges and found shooters new to a discipline are always welcomed and pretty much given one on one instruction. Clubs want to encourage people, not chase them away through giving them a bad experience.

By the way, you won't embarrass yourself, because everyone who shoots matches had to start somewhere.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 07:53 PM (5pTK/)

119 Hi everyone. Today is Jim Acosta's birthday.

So squeeze off a few rounds in his honor.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 17, 2022 07:54 PM (EZebt)

120 No man! I have seen SO MANY people feel the same way and later regret not getting started sooner.
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OK. I'll look into local groups here and see what I see. We'd been trying to set something up independently with the guy at the range who'd been an IDPA Ref, but that hasn't gone anywhere. Thanks!

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at April 17, 2022 07:54 PM (MEbkQ)

121 That scope photo is epic. Did you bait it with peanut butter?

Posted by: Draki at April 17, 2022 07:54 PM (DIhL6)

122 20 Lighting a cigar with a sliver of dried cedar is da bomb.
I never use lighters on a cigar unless I have nothing else.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 17, 2022 07:09 PM (jTmQV)
I lost 2 big 80 year old cedars in last Tuesday night's storm. Eromero unit will be bringing lots 'O cedar to Corsicana. Sliver your own.

Posted by: Eromero at April 17, 2022 07:55 PM (0OP+5)

123
So squeeze off a few rounds in his honor.
Posted by: San Franpsycho

Stationary or moving?

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 17, 2022 07:55 PM (6wEBw)

124 Hey, forgot to ask last week. Anybody have experience with the new .30 Super Carry round?
LGS had two handguns in it that flew off the shelf.
Sounds better than .380 ACP and similar to 9 mm.

Posted by: RI Red at April 17, 2022 07:56 PM (fP5Lg)

125 Hi everyone. Today is Jim Acosta's birthday.

So squeeze off a few rounds in his honor.

What if I just fart towards DC? That's pretty much the same, innit?

Posted by: Oddbob at April 17, 2022 07:56 PM (nfrXX)

126 As part of my optics all the handguns thought I think that optic ready pistol production is going to displace non-optic production. And economics are going to drive that. So the G17 and G19 are bread and butter for Glock so emphasis will go there for MOS.

I think other models will lag in production for MOS.

Posted by: blaster at April 17, 2022 07:57 PM (9otr5)

127 Posted by: SecondCityLurker at April 17, 2022 07:54 PM (MEbkQ)
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If you have ANY questions, drop me a line. Seriously!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 07:57 PM (0IeYL)

128 Hi everyone. Today is Jim Acosta's birthday.

So squeeze off a few rounds in his honor.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 17, 2022 07:54 PM (EZebt)

Squeeze, pinch, it's all semantics.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 17, 2022 07:57 PM (4I/2K)

129 Excellent synopsis on the basics for training Weasel!
Having fun is key....and don't be too hard on oneself with shortcomings.

Making improvements over time makes it all worth while.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 17, 2022 07:58 PM (R/m4+)

130 How does one obtain a raffle ticket for this dream date with Weasel? If Fen decides to go for it, I think I'll purchase one for her. Maybe that'll be enough to spring for an upgrade to Spaghetti-Os with meatballs?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 17, 2022 07:38 PM

Woah.....let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at April 17, 2022 07:58 PM (bVYXr)

131 By the way, you won't embarrass yourself, because everyone who shoots matches had to start somewhere.
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Thanks Blake ... I've been lucky to practice with flipping/timed targets, but that's not running and shooting. And it just sounds like a lot of fun.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at April 17, 2022 07:58 PM (MEbkQ)

132 That scope photo is epic. Did you bait it with peanut butter?
Posted by: Draki at April 17, 2022 07:54 PM (DIhL6)
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That's my trained bunny, WeaselBunny.

(Not really. Found the pic online!)

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 07:59 PM (0IeYL)

133 I cannot say enough about how valuable the experience is getting to shoot at Weasel Acres. Aside from the joy of getting to hang around with Horde members, I got one on one advice that made me a better shooter.
This also goes for going to the range on a regular basis. I think it was Ed yesterday who noticed my thumb was loose soI wasn't holding the gun tight enough. Sure enough, thinking about that made a huge difference in my next round.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 17, 2022 07:59 PM (Y+l9t)

134 I am happily surrounded by family and grandkids.
Life is good!

Now, let's talk kilotons on a given target.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 17, 2022 07:59 PM (uO+/l)

135 Happy Easter, Gub Horde and fearless leader Weasel!

Range report: took the family arsenal and the (barely) adult offspring to the range to (re-)familiarize them with the mechanics of shooting each. My daughter insisted that she preferred the .38 SPL revolver, because of ease of loading, right up until she shot it a few times - then my 9mm compact Shield M2.0 wasn't so bad after all. She had some trouble with the Shield slide and can't reliably load more than 3-4 rounds in a magazine, but she's no longer frightened of it. Mittleson, who is taller than I am, had no trouble with either handgun.

Then, as luck would have it, the car wouldn't start, so we had to unstrap the canoe and row back home, it tipped in the deepest part of the water, and -- well, you know The Rest Of The Story.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 17, 2022 07:59 PM (v23vE)

136 If you have ANY questions, drop me a line. Seriously!
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Will do. Having a lot of fun ... at age 69. Who knew.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at April 17, 2022 07:59 PM (MEbkQ)

137 Hey, forgot to ask last week. Anybody have experience with the new .30 Super Carry round?
LGS had two handguns in it that flew off the shelf.
Sounds better than .380 ACP and similar to 9 mm.

Posted by: RI Red at April 17, 2022 07:56 PM

I saw some ammo for it at the guns store but they had no guns chambered in it. It reminds me of the .41 magnum, a cartridge looking for a niche to fill that isn't there. Might be wrong but I think it will fizzle out like the .41 magnum.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at April 17, 2022 07:59 PM (bVYXr)

138 Dang, Nurse, that's some nice shootin'!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 17, 2022 08:00 PM (v23vE)

139 Lighting a cigar with a sliver of dried cedar is da bomb.
I never use lighters on a cigar unless I have nothing else.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 17, 2022 07:09 PM (jTmQV)
I lost 2 big 80 year old cedars in last Tuesday night's storm. Eromero unit will be bringing lots 'O cedar to Corsicana. Sliver your own.
Posted by: Eromero at April 17, 2022 07:55 PM (0OP+5)
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I'll have my zippo, too!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 08:00 PM (uaDN9)

140 Now, let's talk kilotons on a given target.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 17, 2022 07:59 PM (uO+/l)
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Meh, that's only 10 rounds of 230 grain 45 acp. What else ya got?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 08:00 PM (5pTK/)

141 Anybody have experience with the new .30 Super Carry round?
LGS had two handguns in it that flew off the shelf.
Sounds better than .380 ACP and similar to 9 mm.
Posted by: RI Red at April 17, 2022 07:56 PM (fP5Lg)

This is second hand, but you just described it: More powerful than .380, a little less powerful than 9mm, can hold 2 more rounds on average than a 9mm version of the same pistol.

I don't mind it, but won't be picking one up any time soon. Got enough caliber sprawl as it is.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at April 17, 2022 08:00 PM (eeRB6)

142 Posted by: RI Red at April 17, 2022 07:56 PM (fP5Lg)

The DMV Moron Gun Club got the opportunity to try out .30 Super Carry a couple of months ago (a few rounds each, maybe half a mag tops). I thought it shot pretty well. Less recoil out of a lightweight CCW handgun than I expected out of handgun normally chambered in 9mm. I forgot the make and model of the handgun, though.

Posted by: Ed L at April 17, 2022 08:00 PM (NacE+)

143 My 29 yo eyes thank me. But, systems are a thing. Apparently my 226 was iffy on 115gn rounds. After adding the optic kit was 1/3 FTF. But 124gn is perfect. (It wouldn't lock back on empty mag with 115 I thought it was the mags. But with 124 it locks back with the optic on board) Posted by: blaster
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A lot of Euro 9mm prefer 124 gr bullets for accuracy. American brands of 9mm seem to like 115 gr better. You can experiment on some firearms with a Wolf spring kit that has various recoil springs of different weights so you can optimize your recoil spring for operation and cartridges.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 08:01 PM (Iq9dF)

144 ...and can't reliably load more than 3-4 rounds in a magazine...

Maglula. Problem solved.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 17, 2022 08:01 PM (nfrXX)

145 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 17, 2022 07:59 PM (v23vE)
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Howdy, S'puppy!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 08:01 PM (0IeYL)

146 This Tuesday 33 years ago the center gun on Number two turret of the USS Iowa blew up. I knew one sailor killed in the load chain, and two who served in the rescue/cleanup. And a few years after I ran into one of the two guys Big Navy tried to pin the incident on. Not our finest hour.

Posted by: Eromero at April 17, 2022 08:03 PM (0OP+5)

147 Mr. Scott, I'm just amazed that they came out with a new round in the midst of this ammo crunch.
Somebody must think it has some appeal.

Posted by: RI Red at April 17, 2022 08:03 PM (fP5Lg)

148 Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 17, 2022 07:59 PM (Y+l9t)
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You're too kind!

And I swear we're going to have to tape your thumbs down.

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 08:04 PM (0IeYL)

149 My project to convert all my carry pistols to red dot continues but...shenanigans have occurred.

My G30, which had been flawless at range and at IDPA no longer will reliably go into battery. It'll hang just a fraction short, I can push it forward and keep going but...not amused.

Field strip revealed that there's some black goo oozing out around the safety plunger. I'm going to do a detail strip, clean everything, put it back together and try it again next week. On the good side...zeroed the holosun on it. So that's nice.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at April 17, 2022 08:04 PM (eeRB6)

150 The handgun Ed was referring to was a Smith&Wesson.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 17, 2022 08:04 PM (Y+l9t)

151 I was at NAVSCOLEOD at Indian Head when the Iowa blew up.

Investigators came there since the powder bags came from there in the 1950s I think.

I always figured it to be the gay love triangle thing even though the Navy tried to make that theory go away.

Posted by: blaster at April 17, 2022 08:05 PM (9otr5)

152 Packrat in a scope... probably makes it difficult to concentrate on the crosshairs.
Posted by: AZ deplorable
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Could be worse, try being a scope-owning packrat.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 17, 2022 08:06 PM (fSmfa)

153 MAE I see you are also on board with optic all the handguns!

Unfortunately no one has invested in. An adapter plate for Ruger P series. I have the sadz.

Posted by: blaster at April 17, 2022 08:07 PM (9otr5)

154 MAE, I'm a sucker for new rounds, but Ima waitandsee.
Ed L., if I get to NoVaMoMe, I'm hoping there may be guest memberships to DMV!

Posted by: RI Red at April 17, 2022 08:08 PM (fP5Lg)

155 Although Weasel talks about learning the fundamentals of shooting, his advice is very useful to learning *any* skill!

The secret to learning is *DELIBERATE PRACTICE*. They say it takes 10,000 hours to master a skill, but that's misleading. It takes many, many hours just focusing on ONE aspect of a skill until you have improved to the point where it's second nature. That's exactly what Weasel is talking about here--focusing on ONE element at a time, then starting to combine them until it all feels natural.

Good luck on the range!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 17, 2022 08:08 PM (K5n5d)

156 -----
I'll have my zippo, too!
Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 08:00 PM (uaDN9)

Ahhh
Dak To 1969

Posted by: Diogenes at April 17, 2022 08:08 PM (uO+/l)

157 Acceptance of new ammo has always been a problem, often resulting in guns for it going nowhere. Take, for example, the Evans rifle. Did everything it was supposed to with a 28 round magazine capacity. The designer insisted on his own cartridge, ballistically not that much different from commonly available stuff. You have a rifle you can't find ammo for. The Evans was improved, but stuck with the oddball ammo, and died.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 17, 2022 08:09 PM (lz5hY)

158 Darn, gotta go get food, be back later, Horde.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at April 17, 2022 08:09 PM (eeRB6)

159 Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 17, 2022 08:08 PM (K5n5d)
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Howdy PS!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 08:09 PM (0IeYL)

160 A modest cigar recommendation:

Curivari

They have a variety, and I bought a sampler box of 10 cigars and haven't found a dud yet. The sampler is all robustos. I think they're bit different from the typical "Cubans" that we get here.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 17, 2022 08:10 PM (BFigT)

161
Maglula. Problem solved.
Posted by: Oddbob

Seconded!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 17, 2022 08:10 PM (6wEBw)

162
Briefly resurrecting the subject of "MoMe"s, is the Las Vegas MoMe to happen in 2022? 2021 was just Hat and me. For 2022, I plan to be in Las Vegas in August, 19-22.

Posted by: Arbalest at April 17, 2022 08:10 PM (FlRtG)

163 I always figured it to be the gay love triangle thing even though the Navy tried to make that theory go away.

Posted by: blaster at April 17, 2022 08:05 PM (9otr5)
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While sailors first discovered sex, it was the Marines who introduced it to women.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 08:11 PM (llXky)

164 Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 17, 2022 08:04 PM (Y+l9t)

Thanks, Sharon!

Posted by: Ed L at April 17, 2022 08:11 PM (NacE+)

165 RI Red, the range the MGC shoots at is in No VA so if people are coming for more than one day, we may be able to work something out.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 17, 2022 08:12 PM (Y+l9t)

166 Ahhh
Dak To 1969
Posted by: Diogenes at April 17, 2022 08:08 PM (uO+/l)
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Amazon 2011

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 08:12 PM (0IeYL)

167 I saw some ammo for it at the guns store but they had no guns chambered in it. It reminds me of the .41 magnum, a cartridge looking for a niche to fill that isn't there. Might be wrong but I think it will fizzle out like the .41 magnum.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at April 17, 2022 07:59 PM (bVYXr)
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That right there is heresy, mister. Everyone knows that .41 magnum is the cartridge of the future...and always will be.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 08:12 PM (llXky)

168
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at April 17, 2022 08:13 PM (DUIap)

169 So, I'm currently thinking a 16in, government/standard profile, 1 in 9 in twist, mid-length gas system, nitrided barrel. Posted by: Tonypete
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Tried emailing you Tonypete. I use tutanota which is a competitor of Proton but less well known. For a bog standard M4ery 16 inch barrel, Stoner (Midway's House brand) is usually pretty decent and not that expensive. Midway has pretty good customer service if the barrel won't shoot. Bear Creek Arsenal is hit or miss on accuracy and on deals can be incredibly cheap but I would get their stainless barrels rather than chrome moly or nitrided as people seem to have a bit less trouble with them. They are pretty cheerful about taking them back if they don't work.

Step up is Faxon with their Gunner barrel but I dunno if they make them anymore in 1:9 which if you like lighter bullets than 55 gr. for varmint control is about the maximum twist rate. Ballistic Advantage is another mid level barrel maker and is owned by Aero Precision. Their Hanson profile is pretty popular. FWIW, unless you plan on mag dumps, go with wylde chamber instead of 5.56. It will shoot 5.56 fine with more accuracy.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 08:14 PM (Iq9dF)

170 The dinner with Weasel sounds pretty good but I don't know about the drive in movie.

Posted by: fd at April 17, 2022 08:14 PM (vrz2I)

171 Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 17, 2022 08:10 PM (BFigT)
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Send in a cigar report!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 08:14 PM (0IeYL)

172 167 Along with the World Famous Herter's .401 Powermag!

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 17, 2022 08:14 PM (lz5hY)

173 The dinner with Weasel sounds pretty good but I don't know about the drive in movie.

Posted by: fd at April 17, 2022 08:14 PM (vrz2I)
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It's not really a drive-in, it's "Airport '77" on laserdisk.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 08:15 PM (llXky)

174 ..Lighting a cigar with a sliver of dried cedar is da bomb. ~ I never use lighters on a cigar unless I have nothing else. Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 17, 2022 07:09 PM (jTmQV) *** I lost 2 big 80 year old cedars in last Tuesday night's storm. Eromero unit will be bringing lots 'O cedar to Corsicana. Sliver your own. Posted by: Eromero at April 17, 2022 07:55 PM (0OP+5)

I would advise against using American Red Cedar for anything in the cigar arena. Box humidors are lined with Spanish Cedar (a white cedar), for good reason. The American Red is loaded with tannins and oils that you're not going to want to introduce to your stogie. PITA, but you're still better served getting the cedar "pages" that nestle between layers in a box of cigars, or otherwise get strips of Spanish Cedar from your local cigar emporium.

I'll bring more of a variety of cigars to Corsicana this year. We'll give a couple of "extra-aged" (more than 15 years) sticks a try, and see how they've held up.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 17, 2022 08:15 PM (QzJWU)

175 While sailors first discovered sex, it was the Marines who introduced it to women.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd

Based on the number of clap we treated the Marines' choice of partners might not be what you imply.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 17, 2022 08:15 PM (6wEBw)

176 I don't mind it, but won't be picking one up any time soon. Got enough caliber sprawl as it is.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Curiously enough, close to the old 32-20 in specs with a bit smaller bullet. Or you can think of it as an updated 30 Mauser/7.62 Tokarev with a bit heavier bullet.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 08:16 PM (Iq9dF)

177 I lost 2 big 80 year old cedars in last Tuesday night's storm. Eromero unit will be bringing lots 'O cedar to Corsicana. Sliver your own.
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Eromero ... if you know someone with a sawmill -- not so unusual these days -- you could make some fine humidor planking out of your old cedar wood.

Worked with a friend to convert his 150 yr old oak to a brand new end-table humidor. Turned out nice and was a great experience

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at April 17, 2022 08:18 PM (MEbkQ)

178 Back to extraction on my Ruger Precision .22. Took the Green Mountain barrel back off and compared chamber to my Christiansen Ranger and the original RPR barrel. Much tighter in the Green Mountain. I could not pull a fired case out with my fingernails.
I researched Volquartsen, but they are not making any extractors for it. One fix is to bend the extractor spring over hard. Not sure I want to do that without a spare.

Posted by: RI Red at April 17, 2022 08:18 PM (fP5Lg)

179 175 Our Corpsman, a salty HM2, used to pass out pills to guys coming back from in country R&R in Vung Tau. "Take these, you'll thank me later". Tetracycline for the win.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 17, 2022 08:18 PM (lz5hY)

180 I was at NAVSCOLEOD at Indian Head when the Iowa blew up.

Investigators came there since the powder bags came from there in the 1950s I think.

I always figured it to be the gay love triangle thing even though the Navy tried to make that theory go away.

Posted by: blaster at April 17, 2022 08:05 PM

My wife knew one of the guys in that turret that day that died, he was not gay. The Navy claimed at first it was a gay love triangle that went bad but that story fizzled. It was bad powder left over from the 1950's.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at April 17, 2022 08:18 PM (bVYXr)

181 Based on the number of clap we treated the Marines' choice of partners might not be what you imply.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 17, 2022 08:15 PM (6wEBw)
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I see no contradiction between the Marines preferring chicks and them also being not particularly clean ones.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 08:18 PM (llXky)

182 Curiously enough, close to the old 32-20 in specs with a bit smaller bullet. Or you can think of it as an updated 30 Mauser/7.62 Tokarev with a bit heavier bullet.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 08:16 PM (Iq9dF)
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Nothing new under the sun, etc...

I just wish they'd ramp up .32 Magnum production because that legitimately does fill a niche - hits harder than .38 special but with less felt recoil.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 08:21 PM (llXky)

183 Gosh darn it - who doesn't like a good atomic explosion?

mmmmmm, nucular.

range report - (no, not that kind).
spent my formative years in nuclear air defense batteries, in fact, i qualified for my Army Warrrant Officer rank in that field. many of my nco mentors had experience in and on those nevada and south pacific test ranges. there is a ever so much better view loint of bikini atol where you can see the overpressure pick up one of the scrap carriers like it was a toy and toss it waaay up in the air.

on another note, picked up 80 rounds of 5.56 today @ $0.65/round. .45acp was $0.40/round. .380 was out of stock. lots of useless 9mm though
*ducks and serpentines*

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at April 17, 2022 08:21 PM (UgAdJ)

184 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 08:15 PM (llXky)
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BETA! It's coming back!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 08:21 PM (0IeYL)

185 The American Red is loaded with tannins and oils that you're not going to want to introduce to your stogie.
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Well rats Jim ... I didn't not know. But I suppose it makes sense now that I think about it.

I age some pretty long myself, the longest being a box of poorly aged Cuban Hoya's I thought to rescue. 6 years and really no joy.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at April 17, 2022 08:21 PM (MEbkQ)

186 My wife knew one of the guys in that turret that day that died, he was not gay. The Navy claimed at first it was a gay love triangle that went bad but that story fizzled. It was bad powder left over from the 1950's.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at April 17, 2022 08:18 PM (bVYXr)
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I have to believe cleanup detail was the stuff of nightmares. I suspect what was left of some of the guys probably resembled strawberry jam.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 08:21 PM (5pTK/)

187 ..Curiously enough, close to the old 32-20 in specs with a bit smaller bullet. Or you can think of it as an updated 30 Mauser/7.62 Tokarev with a bit heavier bullet.
Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 08:16 PM (Iq9dF)

If Rossi put out their Winchester 92 clone in this chambering, I think it'd be a hit. It'd help if Taurus produced a few different revolvers in this caliber, promoting the ammo commonality.

Henry would have a hit on their hands here, as well.

Back a century ago, the .32-20 was considered "adequate" for deer. A bit marginal by today's standards, but there's a whole universe of slain deer out there that'd testify!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 17, 2022 08:21 PM (QzJWU)

188 Garrett has terrible taste in music.

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 17, 2022 08:22 PM (WUSNl)

189 My wife knew one of the guys in that turret that day that died, he was not gay. The Navy claimed at first it was a gay love triangle that went bad but that story fizzled. It was bad powder left over from the 1950's.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at April 17, 2022 08:18 PM (bVYXr)
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At this late date it's pretty clear that gay men are less monogamous than Turkish sultans, so it was always absurd.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 08:23 PM (llXky)

190 Garrett has terrible taste in music.
Posted by: Muad'dib at April 17, 2022 08:22 PM (WUSNl)

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goes with his taste in footgear.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 08:23 PM (5pTK/)

191 Send in a cigar report!
Posted by: Weasel
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Will do.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 17, 2022 08:24 PM (BFigT)

192 @secondcitylurker

Blake is an experience competition shooter and he knows of what he is talking about.

My advice when starting is simply go slow and try to maintain safety and accuracy rather than working against the clock.

Safety and accuracy while staying within the rules is enough to absorb for a couple of competitions. Try to go fast too early and you can learn bad habits. A trainer that competes can also give you a faster start than what I suggest.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 08:24 PM (Iq9dF)

193 I do 3d printing. So my YouTube surfing has now crossed the streams and 3d Gun printing is my current binge.

Now you arent going to take a consumer grade 3d printer and make a gun you can shoot. But you can print a Glock frame. And apparently you can get metal parts from Polymer80 to turn that into a shooting Glock.

Also seems like you can print a suppressor that will work pretty well. For at least a while.

This information is presented for educational and entertainment purposes only.

Posted by: blaster at April 17, 2022 08:24 PM (9otr5)

194 Thanks everyone for the tips - whig, my mail has be acting funny lately. I blame post nasal drip.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 17, 2022 08:25 PM (e1mwr)

195 I have to believe cleanup detail was the stuff of nightmares. I suspect what was left of some of the guys probably resembled strawberry jam.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 08:21 PM (5pTK/)
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A friend served in Germany during the 80s and passed a SP gun where the fuse had detonated early, splitting barrel open like a flower. As they rolled by, someone remarked that they didn't know the insides were painted red...

Troops can be remarkably callous about such things.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 08:25 PM (llXky)

196 185 This stuff about lighting cigars takes me back to Mom and Dad. While we weren't of the upper crust (Dad was a baker) my parents were big on the little social things, like holding doors and where a gent walks along his lady. One thing was a gentleman always lights his cigarette before the lady's, thus taking away the fumes of match or lighter.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 17, 2022 08:26 PM (lz5hY)

197 Garrett has terrible taste in music.

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 17, 2022 08:22 PM (WUSNl)
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Tell me about the music of your home world.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 08:27 PM (llXky)

198 @Whig
"Safety and accuracy while staying within the rules is enough to absorb for a couple of competitions. Try to go fast too early and you can learn bad habits."

Yeah, I had wondered and that was something that put me off. Prefer the slow is fast, kind of approach. And I didn't want to get trapped in rushing, a natural problem for me as is. NOT wanting any part of that on the range.

Thanks.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at April 17, 2022 08:27 PM (MEbkQ)

199 >
Tell me about the music of your home world.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 08:27 PM (llXky)

Lotsa bagpipes.

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 17, 2022 08:28 PM (WUSNl)

200 Great Googly Mooglies! The Iowa incident was 33 years ago? Unpossible! I'm only 29! Speaking of which, my cleaning session today got me reminiscing. Any of you other 29-year-olds ever sneak into the head after lights out and scrub your M14 in the shower?

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at April 17, 2022 08:29 PM (uldoW)

201 Posted by: Muad'dib at April 17, 2022 08:22 PM (WUSNl)
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Tell me about the music of your home world.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner

You will not like it no rhythm.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 17, 2022 08:29 PM (6wEBw)

202 Lotsa bagpipes.

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 17, 2022 08:28 PM (WUSNl)
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*reaches for Gom Jabbar*

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 08:29 PM (llXky)

203 A friend served in Germany during the 80s and passed a SP gun where the fuse had detonated early, splitting barrel open like a flower. As they rolled by, someone remarked that they didn't know the insides were painted red...

Troops can be remarkably callous about such things.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 08:25 PM

We say things like that because it literally could be us the next time and that's how you deal with those situations when you don't want to think about it.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at April 17, 2022 08:29 PM (bVYXr)

204 Back a century ago, the .32-20 was considered "adequate" for deer. A bit marginal by today's standards, but there's a whole universe of slain deer out there that'd testify!
Jim Sunk New Dawn
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It is a fine round like most of its 32 brethren but a bit of a pita to reload because of the case necks. It was the 32 H&R Magnum before there was such a thing in handgun loadings. Rifle loads were a step about that to about .327 Magnum specs other than pressure.

I recommend Starline brass and if you come across some old 32-20 ammo, be aware that back in the day, rifle loads and handgun loads of the same cartridge were sold. Do not use the rifle loads in an old 32-20 revolver. Vice versa is fine.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 08:29 PM (Iq9dF)

205 Any of you other 29-year-olds ever sneak into the head after lights out and scrub your M14 in the shower?

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at April 17, 2022 08:29 PM (uldoW)
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My father trained on the M14.

Not sure how we can both be 29...

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 08:30 PM (llXky)

206 Blaster, what kind of 3D printer are you using? Wave of the future it would seem to me.

Posted by: RI Red at April 17, 2022 08:30 PM (fP5Lg)

207 My wife knew one of the guys in that turret that day that died, he was not gay.

always suspected that story was bs. too quick, too convenient.

i supported that last captain of the Wisconsin after he retired and went to work at Lockheed. he smelled hinky even then, later when he took executive vp and ceo of the aeronautics sector, i thouht that he fit right in with that crowd of liars, whores and pickpockets.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at April 17, 2022 08:30 PM (UgAdJ)

208 Sidebar on cigars ... If you like the full-bodied character of broadleaf sticks and you haven't tried the Warped line, I can recommend the 1988's. Not too pricey and very reliable from stick to stick. I always try to have some in the humidor.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at April 17, 2022 08:31 PM (MEbkQ)

209
Gun/Movie trivia:

"That's a Smith & Wesson...and you've had your six."

hint: 1962

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at April 17, 2022 08:31 PM (CTdps)

210 187 32/20 for deer. An old friend and mentor of mine used to get pissed when people would insist, in his words, a G-D French 75 to kill a long legged goat. Hell, the state of Maine has legalized .22 WRM for deer.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 17, 2022 08:31 PM (lz5hY)

211 Watching the "upper crust" light cigars is amusing. I get what they're trying to do... preserve the "old school" things that used to be more or less normal, but now are archaic.

I do the same thing... because those techniques are worth preserving. Regardless what they might be;

-Manually shifting gears
- Brewing
- Distilling

And other less important things.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 17, 2022 08:33 PM (BFigT)

212 @RI Red I have a Creality Ender 3 Pro.

Posted by: blaster at April 17, 2022 08:33 PM (9otr5)

213 Soothsayer --

James Bond. Dr. No, I believe

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at April 17, 2022 08:34 PM (MEbkQ)

214 Family beckons, I'll be back later, maybe.

Thanks for the Gun Thread, Weasel, always nice on a Sunday afternoon.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 17, 2022 08:34 PM (6wEBw)

215 Yeah, I had wondered and that was something that put me off. Prefer the slow is fast, kind of approach. And I didn't want to get trapped in rushing, a natural problem for me as is. NOT wanting any part of that on the range. Thanks. Posted by: SecondCityLurker
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Personal recommendation, you might like IDPA a bit better to start with as IPSC can be a bit overwhelming both in the tech and the emphasis/round count. Quite a few ranges now have IDPA.

Bullseye shooting is a dying art but still around in some metro areas and that emphasizes accuracy above all else.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 08:35 PM (Iq9dF)

216 Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 17, 2022 08:34 PM (6wEBw)
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Happy to do it. Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 08:36 PM (0IeYL)

217 I would advise against using American Red Cedar for anything in the cigar arena. Box humidors are lined with Spanish Cedar (a white cedar), for good reason. The American Red is loaded with tannins and oils that you're not going to want to introduce to your stogie. PITA, but you're still better served getting the cedar "pages" that nestle between layers in a box of cigars, or otherwise get strips of Spanish Cedar from your local cigar emporium.

I'll bring more of a variety of cigars to Corsicana this year. We'll give a couple of "extra-aged" (more than 15 years) sticks a try, and see how they've held up.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at April 17, 2022 08:15 PM (QzJWU)
Dang. Maybe I'll just use this wood for something else then. Although I do have a few slivers drying out on my desk and will use a sliver to light a cigar probably next weekend.

Posted by: Eromero at April 17, 2022 08:36 PM (0OP+5)

218
James Bond. Dr. No, I believe
Posted by: SecondCityLurker

Affirmative.

https://youtu.be/Ono-pu9ON6I

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at April 17, 2022 08:37 PM (CTdps)

219 Nothing new under the sun, etc...

I just wish they'd ramp up .32 Magnum production because that legitimately does fill a niche - hits harder than .38 special but with less felt recoil. Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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Which one, the 32 H&R or the screaming .327 Magnum. The .327 has been mismarketed where it really should have focused more on the sports end with matching rifles than self defense snubbies. That is a really small niche market. 32 H&R fits better with self defense snubbies for those not wanting magnum level recoil or noise.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 08:38 PM (Iq9dF)

220 Posted by: SecondCityLurker at April 17, 2022 08:34 PM (MEbkQ)

Doctor No is correct.

Posted by: Ed L at April 17, 2022 08:38 PM (NacE+)

221 211 Farmer, having old skills like those are fun. What's really fun is when you hold open a door for a woke gal and get an ass chewing. And then you say you're sorry, next time I'll let it slam in your face.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 17, 2022 08:38 PM (lz5hY)

222 When's the only time a short range session is preferable? When it involves patterning a 12 gauge shotgun using 3.5" turkey shells! Over 2 oz. of tungsten shot going 1300 FPS kicks like a mule. Not to mention that at current prices, every trigger pull sets you back nearly $10!

Posted by: PacosMojo at April 17, 2022 08:38 PM (7VOVZ)

223 @whig, thank you for the compliment.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 08:39 PM (5pTK/)

224 scrub your M14 in the shower?
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at April 17, 2022 08:29 PM (uldoW)

Is that what you kids call it now?

Posted by: RI Red at April 17, 2022 08:39 PM (fP5Lg)

225 Happy Easter to Mr. Weasel and the rest of the gub thread! I finally got out to the range yesterday and put some reloads that had been laying around for a while through my AR-180. Once I got it sighted in, it was shooting pretty decent, or at least decent for me. I believe they have a 1:12 twist so limited to 55gr and lighter.

I've also been inspired by this thread to get back into cigars. I bought a small 50 cigar capacity humidor that's in the process of seasoning and some starter pack cigars to go in it once it's done. Question to the cigar people here, do you prefer a cutter or punch. I have both but wondering what the Moron opinion is on this.

Posted by: Arch Stanton at April 17, 2022 08:40 PM (2VTt6)

226 221 211 Farmer, having old skills like those are fun. What's really fun is when you hold open a door for a woke gal and get an ass chewing. And then you say you're sorry, next time I'll let it slam in your face.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 17, 2022 08:38 PM (lz5hY)
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Apologize profusely and explain you thought they were special needs.

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 08:40 PM (0IeYL)

227 @Whig -- Bullseye shooting is a dying art but still around in some metro areas and that emphasizes accuracy above all else.
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Still unlearning some bad habits from those days. LOL. Seems like that was all I retained.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at April 17, 2022 08:42 PM (MEbkQ)

228 whig.. back when I started, the competition was the ye olde Police Practical Course (PPC). Remember the bull-barreled PPC revolvers, usually a Douglas barrel with a BoMar Rib that could double as a construction girder?

The late, great Bob Day, owner of The Powderhorn gunstore (now run by his son, David), built the Day Arms 1500, probably the finest, most underappreciated PPC gun ever made. S&W Model 10 at the core, but there wasn't a single part that Mr. Day didn't make run smoother and work better. If you ever see a Day Arms 1500, BUY IT ! (but I digress)

PPC was a pretty fair mix of Bullseye and The Clock. Maximum range was 50 yards, so it was real test of how well one had or hadn't..mastered the basics.

Optics made their first serious inroads aboard revolvers, most notably the Bianchi Cup matches.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 17, 2022 08:42 PM (QzJWU)

229 Which one, the 32 H&R or the screaming .327 Magnum. The .327 has been mismarketed where it really should have focused more on the sports end with matching rifles than self defense snubbies. That is a really small niche market. 32 H&R fits better with self defense snubbies for those not wanting magnum level recoil or noise.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 08:38 PM (Iq9dF)
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It's interesting that .32 Magnum is constantly sold out, while .327 Magnum seems relatively plentiful. I'm not sure if they're overproducing the latter or the demand is just much higher for the former.

I think that .32 Magnum is the ne plus ultra for concealed carry revolvers. Crisp but not excessive, it uses .38 frames so it's light to carry, and you even get an extra round vs .38.

For the sensitive types, you can load .32 Long and get a very mild shooting experience that still packs twice the energy of a .22 LR.

For even weirder folks, you can safely fire .32 ACP, though ammo choice is critical here.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 08:42 PM (llXky)

230 178 Posted by: RI Red
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Red,
You might try some different brands of 22 LR with it if you want to keep the very tight chambers. Another option is to rent a finish chamber reamer and ream it out to spec. With the barrel out of the firearm, takes about 2-3 minutes to do.

If the barrel was used, make sure that you do not have fouling in the throat as that could be making your chamber even tighter or the chamber could actually be a short chambered barrel which needs reaming to final length. Most match barrels are not drop in and are short chambered with the gunsmith doing the final reaming to the customer's particular action.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 08:42 PM (Iq9dF)

231 Posted by: Arch Stanton at April 17, 2022 08:40 PM (2VTt6)
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Howdy Arch Stanton! I have tried punches and regular cutters and have settled on the "v" cutter.

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 08:43 PM (0IeYL)

232 Re: red cedar, white cedar.
Red cedar is the juniper. Said berry of the English variety is the flavorant of gin. Berries are used in cooking (e.g.venison). Aromatic cedar (same) is used for boxes, closets, etc. as they repel moths and other critters.
White cedar is the arborvitae. No odor. I doubt has same insect repellent properties. Does have many of the decay resistance properties.

Posted by: MkY at April 17, 2022 08:43 PM (cPGH3)

233 Wasn't Dr. No the first Bond movie, but released in the US after Goldfinger? Seem to remember something like that.

But it's a great scene, whenever we all first saw it.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at April 17, 2022 08:43 PM (MEbkQ)

234 186 My wife knew one of the guys in that turret that day that died, he was not gay. The Navy claimed at first it was a gay love triangle that went bad but that story fizzled. It was bad powder left over from the 1950's.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at April 17, 2022 08:18 PM (bVYXr)
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I have to believe cleanup detail was the stuff of nightmares. I suspect what was left of some of the guys probably resembled strawberry jam.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 08:21 PM (5pTK/)
Had a OS2 worked with me on recruiting who was a OSSN on cleanup. He was....jumpy.....even 4 years later.

Posted by: Eromero at April 17, 2022 08:43 PM (0OP+5)

235 224 We didn't scrub our M14s in the shower, but I remember the Drill Instructors, the night before command inspection, swearing us to secrecy. They then shared with the platoon a can of Marvel's Mystery Oil. Really keeps those Parris Island high humidity rust blossoms from forming.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 17, 2022 08:44 PM (lz5hY)

236 By the way, the match I have a hankering to try is a bowling pin match.

But, those aren't that easy to find, darn it.

Bowling pin match: Knock bowling pins off a table. They have to be completely knocked off, not just knocked over. Looks a hoot.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 08:44 PM (5pTK/)

237 My father trained on the M14.

Not sure how we can both be 29...
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I think my 29 are counted in dog years.

And get off my lawn.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at April 17, 2022 08:45 PM (uldoW)

238 Blake and Whig, thanks! Really appreciate the advice. Let you know what I learn ...

Meanwhile, I'll say goodnight for some family Easter time.

Thanks for the thread Weasel.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at April 17, 2022 08:45 PM (MEbkQ)

239 @secondcity, always glad to encourage, and, when you arrive at your first match, ask questions and stress it's your first time out.

Have a good evening!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 08:46 PM (5pTK/)

240 Posted by: RI Red at April 17, 2022 08:39 PM (fP5Lg)

The M14 was still in limited use as late as 2012 from what I saw. Equipped with new fiberglass stocks and furniture, they would have done better in the showers than the original wooden ones. It's not as big a marker of an era as one might think.

Posted by: Ed L at April 17, 2022 08:46 PM (NacE+)

241 Question to the cigar people here, do you prefer a cutter or punch. I have both but wondering what the Moron opinion is on this.
Posted by: Arch Stanton at April 17, 2022 08:40 PM (2VTt6)

I prefer a punch because I tend to slobber up the end. When I use a cutter, they tend to mush up and fall apart before I can finish.

This is obviously a personal shortcoming that may not apply to you.

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at April 17, 2022 08:47 PM (C1NyB)

242 Thanks for the thread Weasel.
Posted by: SecondCityLurker at April 17, 2022 08:45 PM (MEbkQ)
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My pleasure. Thanks for being here and contributing!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 08:47 PM (0IeYL)

243 Jim, Sunk New Dawn ,Galveston, TX

PPC folks did all kinds of things to get advantages such as Smolts or Cougar hybrids back in the day. Unfortunately, if you were not leo or something similar, they would not let average Joe walk in to compete. Beautiful firearms made for one specific purpose--to win the competitions.

I shot IPSC for a year or two at the local level back in the 00's but the game was even then getting taken over by race pistols and somewhat dubious scenarios. Don't care much for that.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 08:47 PM (Iq9dF)

244 Bowling pin match: Knock bowling pins off a table. They have to be completely knocked off, not just knocked over. Looks a hoot.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 08:44 PM

We do aluminum cans with air rifles. Set them up on the ground, maybe 20 yds away. Lay a stick about 10' behind.
First team to advance beyond the stick wins.
Got a son that can do the Clampett ricochet trick pretty well. Hard to beat. Bounces the pellet off the gravel to knock the can upwards.

Posted by: MkY at April 17, 2022 08:48 PM (cPGH3)

245 I don't think I've had Spaghetti-0s since I was about 10 which was a very long time ago. I remember loathing them even then.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

I'll throw in a can of Spam !

Posted by: JT at April 17, 2022 08:48 PM (arJlL)

246 240 Many M14s had synthetic stocks, as mine did in boot camp,serial number 3605XX.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 17, 2022 08:48 PM (lz5hY)

247 I shot IPSC for a year or two at the local level back in the 00's but the game was even then getting taken over by race pistols and somewhat dubious scenarios. Don't care much for that.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 08:47 PM (Iq9dF)
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USPSA is a lot of fun, but, holy cow, the race pistols are something else. Meanwhile, I'm shooting a single stack 1911...but, I ignore that and have fun.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 08:48 PM (5pTK/)

248 Thanks, Whig. Very light use. The friction starts right away with a loaded round so I think I'll try the chamber reamer first.
If all else fails, I'll take it to my expert. But then I won't be able to brag about my mad skillz.

Posted by: RI Red at April 17, 2022 08:49 PM (fP5Lg)

249 That Tupperware for men? Is racyss, actually misogynist.
/s

Posted by: Ciampino at April 17, 2022 08:49 PM (qfLjt)

250 By the way, the match I have a hankering to try is a bowling pin match.

But, those aren't that easy to find, darn it.

Bowling pin match: Knock bowling pins off a table. They have to be completely knocked off, not just knocked over. Looks a hoot.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 08:44 PM

I shot one bowling pin match and knocked off all five pins with 5 shots in 7 seconds with a Beretta 92F. I never came close to that time again. I was literally in the zone that day and could not miss.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at April 17, 2022 08:49 PM (bVYXr)

251 223 @whig, thank you for the compliment.

Posted by: blake
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Stating facts there. You know your stuff.

Not to give you work but some of the lurkers might like kind of an abbreviated experience of competition day for you as a gunthread post.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 08:49 PM (Iq9dF)

252 If Jesus had his pick of firearms, I'd say his top pick would be a Peacemaker.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at April 17, 2022 08:50 PM (Wnd0C)

253 BTW, just put a pellet into the chest of a coyote. Doubt a kill shot, but hopefully he won't be back.

Posted by: MkY at April 17, 2022 08:50 PM (cPGH3)

254 Thanks everyone for the tips - whig, my mail has be acting funny lately. I blame post nasal drip.
Posted by: Tonypete

When I click your nic a blank page comes up.

(Might be a clew !)

Posted by: JT at April 17, 2022 08:50 PM (arJlL)

255 249 That Tupperware for men? Is racyss, actually misogynist.
/s

I'm setting myself onto me for bad grammar. That should be misogynous.
(Posted by: The Grammar and Spelling Nazi)

Posted by: Ciampino at April 17, 2022 08:51 PM (qfLjt)

256 Not to give you work but some of the lurkers might like kind of an abbreviated experience of competition day for you as a gunthread post.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 08:49 PM (Iq9dF)
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"Have you a Colt? Then sell your cloak and buy a Colt!"

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 08:52 PM (llXky)

257 scrub your M14 in the shower?
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at April 17, 2022 08:29 PM (uldoW)

Is that what you kids call it now?
Posted by: RI Red at April 17, 2022 08:39 PM

It's all about the operating rod.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 17, 2022 08:52 PM (a3Q+t)

258 Great picture of the hare. Did you come across it on its way to a tea party? Was it mad that you delayed it?
(Posted by: Alice)

Posted by: Ciampino at April 17, 2022 08:53 PM (qfLjt)

259 250 I had a moonlighting job (best job ever) at an indoor shooting range. We had bowling pin shoots. One guy would show up on a regular basis and use whatever oddball piece of ordnance from his armory that struck his fancy. Remember the guy doing quite well with a CZ38.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 17, 2022 08:53 PM (lz5hY)

260 I think that .32 Magnum is the ne plus ultra for concealed carry revolvers. Crisp but not excessive, it uses .38 frames so it's light to carry, and you even get an extra round vs .38.

For the sensitive types, you can load .32 Long and get a very mild shooting experience that still packs twice the energy of a .22 LR.

For even weirder folks, you can safely fire .32 ACP, though ammo choice is critical here.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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I would agree with you but unfortunately, other than a few special runs, 32 H&R revolvers are only being made consistently by Charter Arms which has had some troubled times over the years. Essentially, you have to buy the 327 Magnum revolvers to shoot the 32 H&R.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 08:54 PM (Iq9dF)

261 Great picture of the hare. Did you come across it on its way to a tea party? Was it mad that you delayed it?
(Posted by: Alice)
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Nah - I found it online and have used it a couple of times in previous threads. Makes me chuckle whenever I see it.

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 08:56 PM (0IeYL)

262 "Have you a Colt? Then sell your cloak and buy a Colt!"
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 08:52 PM (llXky)

"Behold, here are two Colts, Lord!"

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 17, 2022 08:56 PM (II3Gr)

263 First picture was actually of my rifle at the 2021 TxMoMeet.

I did try the 700 yard target, but missed it by a hare.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 17, 2022 08:58 PM (QzJWU)

264 Jim SND,

I agree that the 32-20 is an underappreciated rifle cartridge now. Back when shooting for the kitchen pot was important, it did the job when it counted for the families. It was also the third most popular cowboy cartridge back in the day--45 Colt, 44-40, and the 32-20 was third.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 08:58 PM (Iq9dF)

265 I would agree with you but unfortunately, other than a few special runs, 32 H&R revolvers are only being made consistently by Charter Arms which has had some troubled times over the years. Essentially, you have to buy the 327 Magnum revolvers to shoot the 32 H&R.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 08:54 PM (Iq9dF)
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Yeah, I've noticed. I think that instead of making unneeded new calibers, the industry should look at the growing female demographic. I get that .32 Magnum didn't catch on a decade or so ago, but now is a great time to reintroduce it, particularly because .38 frames can so easily be adapted to it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 08:59 PM (llXky)

266 Early evening, Boss.
Even on Easter, bringing it.
Night, all!

Posted by: RI Red at April 17, 2022 08:59 PM (fP5Lg)

267 "Behold, here are two Colts, Lord!"

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 17, 2022 08:56 PM (II3Gr)
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And a happy Easter to you, my friend.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 08:59 PM (llXky)

268 The friction starts right away with a loaded round so I think I'll try the chamber reamer first.

It might be worth a call or email to Green Mountain before you do something irreversible. I'm sure they chamber them tight on purpose but even so, sometimes an out of spec piece makes it through the line.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 17, 2022 09:00 PM (nfrXX)

269 "Have you a Colt? Then sell your cloak and buy a Colt!"

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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I have several of them and they tend to multiply. Trying to finish some projects instead of adding new ones.

I have to figure out how to take some decent pix so I can give Weasel some filler material on a few of interest. I do know he is a sucker for revolvers though.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 09:01 PM (Iq9dF)

270 And a happy Easter to you, my friend.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 08:59 PM (llXky)

Likewise!

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 17, 2022 09:01 PM (II3Gr)

271 62 There may be some sub 29 years old types here who ask "what the hell is a Polaroid camera"?

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I used to drive by the Polaroid building in Cambridge and the graffiti on the walls used to annoy me.
(It was essentially 'Polaroid Get Out Of South Africa).
People who had no idea what they were talking about, but just parroting.

Posted by: Ciampino at April 17, 2022 09:02 PM (qfLjt)

272 264 Bass Reeves, US Deputy Marshal, is a local hero, as he should be. Great statue in Fort Smith of him heading out to The Nations in search of bad guys. During his later years, he was a Tulsa cop, and his gun of choice was the 32/20.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 17, 2022 09:02 PM (lz5hY)

273 Posted by: RI Red at April 17, 2022 08:59 PM (fP5Lg)
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Thanks amigo. Goodnight!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:04 PM (uaDN9)

274 254 Thanks everyone for the tips - whig, my mail has be acting funny lately. I blame post nasal drip.
Posted by: Tonypete

Bob from the NSA most probably. I can tell you my experiences--I use AR's as 'working guns' rather than trying to wring out accuracy from them but I have had experiences with all the different barrels that I have mentioned above in AR (Midway's Stoner barrels used to be made by Saturn barrels in Iowa-dunno about now), I have a self defense carbine setup with regular handguards with a Bear Creek Arsenal barrel in stainless, and have used Ballistic Advantage in a 308 build as well as 5.56. I have also built some with Remington/Bushmaster barrels which were quite good. Not sure if any stock is left over for those.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 09:06 PM (Iq9dF)

275 87 79 Bought a P226 from a friend not long ago. Great pistol! I shoot it better than my HK P30 or P30L. I can understand why the SEALs went with those instead of the M9.
Posted by: SARDiver at April 17, 2022 07:35 PM (Cmxw

SEALs have now switched to the Glock 19.
At the time, the P226 and M9 were engaged in the battle to replace the vaunted 1911 as their normal carry pistol. The DoD decided that the per copy price of the P226 was too high, and went with the Beretta. The SEALs chose the P226 anyway.

Personally never been a Glock fan, but if they like them, great.

Posted by: SARDiver at April 17, 2022 07:40 PM (Cmxw7)

The SEALs must be unimpressed by the new DoD general issue replacements for the M9, the Sig-made M17 full-size and the M18 compact-size. Striker-fired, they are essentially Sig commercial P320 full-size and compact pistols with a manual safety added per the DoD requirements. They also have the capability to mount a red-dot sight, again per DoD requirement. I like my M17. Oh, well, who am I to tell the SEALs what to use? Perhaps the SEALs want magazine and parts commonality with their allied counterparts.

Posted by: Gref at April 17, 2022 09:07 PM (AMIL/)

276 @whig, completely up to weasel.

Again, thank you for the kinds words.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 09:07 PM (5pTK/)

277 Bass Reeves, US Deputy Marshal, is a local hero, as he should be. Great statue in Fort Smith of him heading out to The Nations in search of bad guys. During his later years, he was a Tulsa cop, and his gun of choice was the 32/20.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door

Wasn't he the first black Deputy US Marshall ?

Posted by: JT at April 17, 2022 09:08 PM (arJlL)

278 ..There may be some sub 29 years old types here who ask "what the hell is a Polaroid camera"?

The Polarrhoid Camera is used by medical types to record images of Polarrhoids. Common malady caused by exposing one's nether regions when relieving one's self in arctic or subarctic climes.

The company was wiped-out, as their cameras took only really crappy images.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 17, 2022 09:08 PM (QzJWU)

279 264 Bass Reeves, US Deputy Marshal, is a local hero, as he should be. Great statue in Fort Smith of him heading out to The Nations in search of bad guys. During his later years, he was a Tulsa cop, and his gun of choice was the 32/20.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 17, 2022 09:02 PM (lz5hY)

Basis for having Denzel Washington as the lead in the remake of the Magnificent Seven.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 17, 2022 09:08 PM (1zXFg)

280 Well, time to wander.

All y'all endeavor to endeavor!

Later!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 09:09 PM (5pTK/)

281 The SEALs must be unimpressed by the new DoD general issue replacements for the M9, the Sig-made M17 full-size and the M18 compact-size. Striker-fired, they are essentially Sig commercial P320 full-size and compact pistols with a manual safety added per the DoD requirements. They also have the capability to mount a red-dot sight, again per DoD requirement. I like my M17. Oh, well, who am I to tell the SEALs what to use? Perhaps the SEALs want magazine and parts commonality with their allied counterparts.

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I'm not sure why you don't grasp that I was talking about their choice at the time, which was in the mid-80s.

Posted by: SARDiver at April 17, 2022 09:09 PM (Cmxw7)

282 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 09:07 PM (5pTK/)
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I'd be happy to have you write about your experiences in match shooting. I'm a big believer and maybe if people hear it from someone else they'll listen!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:09 PM (0IeYL)

283 Just went out and checked the range and there are no targets to be had.

That shoot the tin can thing sounds like fun

Posted by: Ben Had at April 17, 2022 09:09 PM (BK+m0)

284 Well, it's getting late-ish and I'm about to succumb to a food coma, so thanks again, Weasel!

Content is on the way and make sure you got the stuff I already sent because it's gold, Jerry, pure gold!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 09:10 PM (llXky)

285 For even weirder folks, you can safely fire .32 ACP, though ammo choice is critical here.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 08:42 PM (llXky)

If you're still here. What would you suggest? I have one box of FMC, one from Miwall, a couple of boxes of Remington. All 71gr fmj. I have a '03 Colt Hammerless.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at April 17, 2022 09:10 PM (7bRMQ)

286 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 17, 2022 09:09 PM (5pTK/)
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Adios blake!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:11 PM (0IeYL)

287 hope not too late, just ran cross a Ruger N.M. Single Six 22/22mag 4 5/8 bbl bobbed and contoured grip! This thing is so smooth, I'm thinking about buying to carry in .22mag. Talk about 'I'm your Huckleberry.'.

Posted by: Eromero at April 17, 2022 09:11 PM (0OP+5)

288 233 Wasn't Dr. No the first Bond movie, but released in the US after Goldfinger? Seem to remember something like that.

But it's a great scene, whenever we all first saw it.
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I think the Casino Royale spoof was the first one, then Dr. No.

Posted by: Ciampino at April 17, 2022 09:11 PM (qfLjt)

289 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 17, 2022 09:10 PM (llXky)
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Will do. Nite AHL!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:11 PM (0IeYL)

290 Posted by: Gref at April 17, 2022 09:07 PM (AMIL/)

The Glock should have another advantage: Deniability. Because everyone out there uses Glocks, carrying/using one doesn't automatically "sign" a special operation as a "SEAL" job. Very useful if clandestine missions are on the menu.

Posted by: Ed L at April 17, 2022 09:11 PM (NacE+)

291 thank you for the gub thread , Weasel.

lurke ya next week.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at April 17, 2022 09:13 PM (UgAdJ)

292 Just went out and checked the range and there are no targets to be had.

That shoot the tin can thing sounds like fun
Posted by: Ben Had

Ran outta feral pigs, dint ya ?

Posted by: JT at April 17, 2022 09:13 PM (arJlL)

293 Just bought my first AR-15!

Posted by: leber at April 17, 2022 09:14 PM (+1FnZ)

294 Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at April 17, 2022 09:13 PM (UgAdJ)
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Happy to do it Bif!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:14 PM (0IeYL)

295 Posted by: Ciampino at April 17, 2022 09:11 PM (qfLjt)

The Casino Royale spoof came out in 1967. Doctor No came out in 1962 (early 1963 in the US). You might be thinking of the TV adaptation of Casino Royale, which appeared on CBS(?) in 1954.

Posted by: Ed L at April 17, 2022 09:14 PM (NacE+)

296 281 The SEALs must be unimpressed by the new DoD general issue replacements for the M9, the Sig-made M17 full-size and the M18 compact-size. Striker-fired, they are essentially Sig commercial P320 full-size and compact pistols with a manual safety added per the DoD requirements. They also have the capability to mount a red-dot sight, again per DoD requirement. I like my M17. Oh, well, who am I to tell the SEALs what to use? Perhaps the SEALs want magazine and parts commonality with their allied counterparts.

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I'm not sure why you don't grasp that I was talking about their choice at the time, which was in the mid-80s.

Posted by: SARDiver at April 17, 2022 09:09 PM (Cmxw7)

Well, EXCUUUUUSE ME!

You wrote: SEALs have now switched to the Glock 19.

Posted by: Gref at April 17, 2022 09:14 PM (AMIL/)

297 293 Just bought my first AR-15!
Posted by: leber at April 17, 2022 09:14 PM (+1FnZ)

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Good for you! Go train with that sucker.

Posted by: SARDiver at April 17, 2022 09:14 PM (Cmxw7)

298 293 Just bought my first AR-15!
Posted by: leber at April 17, 2022 09:14 PM (+1FnZ)
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Congratulations and welcome! Tell us about it!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:15 PM (0IeYL)

299 You wrote: SEALs have now switched to the Glock 19.
Posted by: Gref at April 17, 2022 09:14 PM (AMIL/)

I wrote that in response to his previous post.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 17, 2022 09:15 PM (1zXFg)

300 ..The Glock should have another advantage: Deniability. Because everyone out there uses Glocks, carrying/using one doesn't automatically "sign" a special operation as a "SEAL" job. Very useful if clandestine missions are on the menu. Posted by: Ed L at April 17, 2022 09:11 PM (NacE+)

It would not be out of place to rollmark a Glock slide-clone, with a simple bar-code and the words: "Gun, 9mm" on the side.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 17, 2022 09:15 PM (QzJWU)

301 93 My two cents, which is probably still overvalued, even with inflation.
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Now you gotta say "My two dollars".

Posted by: Ciampino at April 17, 2022 09:16 PM (qfLjt)

302 Well, EXCUUUUUSE ME!

You wrote: SEALs have now switched to the Glock 19.
Posted by: Gref at April 17, 2022 09:14 PM (AMIL/)

No, actually. I didn't.

"Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 17, 2022 07:38 PM (PCUPG)"

Posted by: SARDiver at April 17, 2022 09:16 PM (Cmxw7)

303 Those bowling pin matches are fun. I shot in a couple of them. Most folks were using 9mm semis. I used a Smith model 29 loaded with 44 special lead SWC rounds. It took all six rounds but I cleared the table. That model 29 did get some attention.

If I tried it again, I would prefer a DA 45 Colt revolver if I had one, which I don't. Or, better yet, use a stainless steel Ruger Old Army. Wouldn't be too fast but they are accurate and will do the job. (It helps to compete for fun, not for first place.)

Posted by: JTB at April 17, 2022 09:16 PM (7EjX1)

304 299 You wrote: SEALs have now switched to the Glock 19.
Posted by: Gref at April 17, 2022 09:14 PM (AMIL/)

I wrote that in response to his previous post.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 17, 2022 09:15 PM (1zXFg)

Thank you!

Posted by: SARDiver at April 17, 2022 09:17 PM (Cmxw7)

305 Can't we all just agree to own a 1911, a Berretta, a Sig, and a Glock? I mean gee whiz. Good night Weasel and good night Mrs. Calabash wherever you are.

Posted by: Eromero at April 17, 2022 09:18 PM (0OP+5)

306 OK, 9:20 thank you time!

Thank You!

I do appreciate you guys and gals being here each week. No foolin'!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:19 PM (0IeYL)

307 Posted by: Eromero at April 17, 2022 09:18 PM (0OP+5)
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Adios, amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:20 PM (0IeYL)

308 OK, 9:20 thank you time!

Thank you !

Posted by: JT at April 17, 2022 09:20 PM (arJlL)

309 308 OK, 9:20 thank you time!

Thank you !
Posted by: JT at April 17, 2022 09:20 PM (arJlL)
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Dammit! My 9:20 thank you posted at 9:19. Totally unprofessional. My apologies.

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:22 PM (0IeYL)

310 285 - Eh, guess I was too late.

(starts picking up discarded beer cans, grabs broom and starts sweeping up for Weasel)

Posted by: OrangeEnt at April 17, 2022 09:23 PM (7bRMQ)

311 Can't we all just get along? Say, is this the buffet line?

Posted by: Meal Team Six at April 17, 2022 09:23 PM (Xrfse)

312 304 299 You wrote: SEALs have now switched to the Glock 19.
Posted by: Gref at April 17, 2022 09:14 PM (AMIL/)

I wrote that in response to his previous post.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 17, 2022 09:15 PM (1zXFg)

Thank you!

Posted by: SARDiver at April 17, 2022 09:17 PM (Cmxw7)

My point was and still is: The SEALs must be unimpressed by the M17 and M18.

Posted by: Gref at April 17, 2022 09:23 PM (AMIL/)

313 (starts picking up discarded beer cans, grabs broom and starts sweeping up for Weasel)
Posted by: OrangeEnt at April 17, 2022 09:23 PM (7bRMQ)
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Thanks! I'll start stacking the chairs.

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:24 PM (0IeYL)

314 Posted by: Jim at April 17, 2022 09:15 PM (QzJWU)

For clandestine work, weapons shouldn't have any markings at all. No serial numbers, manufacturer's markings, bar codes, or anything that could aid tracing. That's why it's hard to figure out how many Welrod pistols and DeLisle carbines came off the lines or who made them. Without serial numbers or markings, no one could figure out exactly who used them or where they were made.

Posted by: Ed L at April 17, 2022 09:24 PM (NacE+)

315 Thanks for hosting, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at April 17, 2022 09:25 PM (NacE+)

316 Weasel,

With that kind of scope setup, methinks you will be more than a hare off.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 17, 2022 09:26 PM (LF5cC)

317 315 Thanks for hosting, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at April 17, 2022 09:25 PM (NacE+)
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You bet, Ed L! Always a pleasure.

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:26 PM (0IeYL)

318 For clandestine work, weapons shouldn't have any markings at all. No serial numbers, manufacturer's markings, bar codes, or anything that could aid tracing. That's why it's hard to figure out how many Welrod pistols and DeLisle carbines came off the lines or who made them. Without serial numbers or markings, no one could figure out exactly who used them or where they were made.
Posted by: Ed L

Oh, you mean one o' them ghost guns that people make on the internet with a #2 pencil.

Posted by: JT at April 17, 2022 09:26 PM (arJlL)

319 Thanks, Weasel!

Posted by: Gref at April 17, 2022 09:27 PM (AMIL/)

320 Dilatory thanks to Weasel and other contributors.

Had to step out to eat a late supper with the wife.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 09:27 PM (Iq9dF)

321 Just bought my first AR-15!
Posted by: leber at April 17, 2022 09:14 PM (+1FnZ)

Welcome to the club!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~every book has been totally rewritten ~ at April 17, 2022 09:27 PM (hOUT3)

322 Curiously enough, close to the old 32-20 in specs with a bit smaller bullet. Or you can think of it as an updated 30 Mauser/7.62 Tokarev with a bit heavier bullet.
Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 08:16 PM (Iq9dF)

I'd be very happy with a modern handgun in 7.62 Tok. As of now, I have my T33 in an ammo can, isolated with what boxes of ammo I have left for it. Only way I can be sure of it not spreading.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at April 17, 2022 09:28 PM (eeRB6)

323 If it truly was a ghost gun, shouldn't bullet vanish soon after being fired?

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 17, 2022 09:28 PM (LF5cC)

324 Darn...thread death?

Well thanks anyway, Weasel. I appreciate you.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at April 17, 2022 09:28 PM (eeRB6)

325 (starts picking up discarded beer cans, grabs broom and starts sweeping up for Weasel)
Posted by: OrangeEnt at April 17, 2022 09:23 PM (7bRMQ)
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Thanks! I'll start stacking the chairs.
Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:24 PM (0IeYL)

Nice scene. It's fitting that I have Zac Brown Band, "Quiet Your Mind" playing.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at April 17, 2022 09:28 PM (x8Wzq)

326 If it truly was a ghost gun, shouldn't bullet vanish soon after being fired?
Posted by: Anna Puma

I wouldn't know, I'm not a Ghostbuster.

Posted by: JT at April 17, 2022 09:29 PM (arJlL)

327 With that kind of scope setup, methinks you will be more than a hare off.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 17, 2022 09:26 PM (LF5cC)
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Hi Anna Puma!
It really looks almost exactly like an AR platform gun I put together for mid-range matches, but never got around to using. I did a video on the rifle over at the WeaselAcres YouTube channel if you're interested in the setup.

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:29 PM (0IeYL)

328 Weasel, been reading but not commenting tonight.
Thanks for another most excellent gub thread!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~every book has been totally rewritten ~ at April 17, 2022 09:29 PM (hOUT3)

329 Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 09:27 PM (Iq9dF)
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Thanks for being here, whig!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:30 PM (0IeYL)

330 I wouldn't know, I'm not a Ghostbuster.

So a Supreme Court Justice?

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 17, 2022 09:30 PM (LF5cC)

331 323 If it truly was a ghost gun, shouldn't bullet vanish soon after being fired?
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 17, 2022 09:28 PM (LF5cC)

Gun, what gun?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~every book has been totally rewritten ~ at April 17, 2022 09:30 PM (hOUT3)

332
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at April 17, 2022 09:28 PM (eeRB6)
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Thanks man.

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:31 PM (0IeYL)

333 Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 17, 2022 09:31 PM (LF5cC)

334 323 If it truly was a ghost gun, shouldn't bullet vanish soon after being fired?

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 17, 2022 09:28 PM (LF5cC)

Add suppressor for ultimate ghost gunning.

Posted by: Arch Stanton at April 17, 2022 09:32 PM (2VTt6)

335 Oh great. I've just swept up and another group comes in!!!!!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at April 17, 2022 09:32 PM (7bRMQ)

336 Posted by: Gref at April 17, 2022 09:27 PM (AMIL/)
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Thanks for participating, Gref! Starting to plan for Texas this fall.

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:32 PM (0IeYL)

337 224 scrub your M14 in the shower?
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at April 17, 2022 08:29 PM (uldoW)

Is that what you kids call it now?
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Yeah, they're all bragging with that 14 number. But it's really cms LOL.

Posted by: Ciampino at April 17, 2022 09:32 PM (qfLjt)

338
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~every book has been totally rewritten ~ at April 17, 2022 09:29 PM (hOUT3)
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I sensed your presence in the dojo.

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:33 PM (0IeYL)

339 In Jungle School they had us take our M16s into the shower when we came in from the jungle.

Handguards came off in the shower to get all the mud out. Then the upper assembly went into a cut in half 55 gallon drum filled with kerosene I think.

Posted by: blaster at April 17, 2022 09:34 PM (9otr5)

340 I wouldn't know, I'm not a Ghostbuster.

So a Supreme Court Justice?
Posted by: Anna Puma

(sighs deeply....)

Nah, I'm not dumb enough......

Posted by: JT at April 17, 2022 09:34 PM (arJlL)

341 I sensed your presence in the dojo.
Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:33 PM (0IeYL)

Da! A never miss event...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~every book has been totally rewritten ~ at April 17, 2022 09:34 PM (hOUT3)

342 335 Oh great. I've just swept up and another group comes in!!!!!
Posted by: OrangeEnt at April 17, 2022 09:32 PM (7bRMQ)
Hey back there in the kitchen, is it too late to get a BLT and a Pabst Blue Ribbon?

Posted by: Eromero at April 17, 2022 09:34 PM (0OP+5)

343 Weasel! Hello and thank you for the great thread!

Posted by: Heidi at April 17, 2022 09:35 PM (LzdUC)

344 Hiya Heidi !

Regards to Da Cannibal !

Posted by: JT at April 17, 2022 09:36 PM (arJlL)

345 276 @whig, completely up to weasel.

Again, thank you for the kinds words.

Posted by: blake
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I understand on requiring Weasel approval. But, fear of the unknown often stops people from doing activities that are fun and anything that lessens that fear can lead to more people participating. The 2A fight is actually one of the few that the left is losing over time.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 09:36 PM (Iq9dF)

346 304 299 You wrote: SEALs have now switched to the Glock 19.
Posted by: Gref at April 17, 2022 09:14 PM (AMIL/)

I wrote that in response to his previous post.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 17, 2022 09:15 PM (1zXFg)

Thank you!

Posted by: SARDiver at April 17, 2022 09:17 PM (Cmxw7)

Have you or anyone you know used a drummer's stool, or throne as they are usually called, for seating at a shooting bench? All appear to have adjustable height, and all have rotating seats. I may buy one and see if I like it.

Posted by: Gref at April 17, 2022 09:37 PM (AMIL/)

347 Hey back there in the kitchen, is it too late to get a BLT and a Pabst Blue Ribbon?

Posted by: Eromero at April 17, 2022 09:34 PM (0OP+5)

Jose left already. There's a couple loaves of bread and fish left over.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at April 17, 2022 09:37 PM (7bRMQ)

348 Posted by: Heidi at April 17, 2022 09:35 PM (LzdUC)
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HOWDY HEIDI!!!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:37 PM (0IeYL)

349 323 If it truly was a ghost gun, shouldn't bullet vanish soon after being fired?

Posted by: Anna Puma
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Ice bullets.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 09:37 PM (Iq9dF)

350 Posted by: Arch Stanton at April 17, 2022 09:32 PM (2VTt6)

Like the B&T Station Six pistol? The impact of the bullet downrange makes more noise than the gunshot. If you use subsonic ammo, of course.

Posted by: Ed L at April 17, 2022 09:37 PM (NacE+)

351 ice bullets?

frangible

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 17, 2022 09:38 PM (LF5cC)

352 Hiya JT!

Posted by: Heidi at April 17, 2022 09:38 PM (LzdUC)

353 347 Hey back there in the kitchen, is it too late to get a BLT and a Pabst Blue Ribbon?

Posted by: Eromero at April 17, 2022 09:34 PM (0OP+5)

Jose left already. There's a couple loaves of bread and fish left over.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at April 17, 2022 09:37 PM (7bRMQ)
It's a miracle!

Posted by: Eromero at April 17, 2022 09:39 PM (0OP+5)

354 I would agree with you but unfortunately, other than a few special runs, 32 H&R revolvers are only being made consistently by Charter Arms which has had some troubled times over the years. Essentially, you have to buy the 327 Magnum revolvers to shoot the 32 H&R.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 08:54 PM (Iq9dF)

I picked up a Spanish Orbea Smith & Wesson knock off that I thought was in 32-20 (one of the permitted Spanish military cartridges at one time) and it turned out to be 8mm Lebel pistol.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 17, 2022 09:40 PM (xhaym)

355 Hiya JT!
Posted by: Heidi

Posted by: JT at April 17, 2022 09:40 PM (arJlL)

356 I'd be very happy with a modern handgun in 7.62 Tok. As of now, I have my T33 in an ammo can, isolated with what boxes of ammo I have left for it. Only way I can be sure of it not spreading.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Tokarevs are interesting firearms and the round did what it needed to for Russian officers, it was even better in SMG's, and was far superior to the dismal Nagant revolver.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 09:40 PM (Iq9dF)

357 Have you or anyone you know used a drummer's stool, or throne as they are usually called, for seating at a shooting bench? All appear to have adjustable height, and all have rotating seats. I may buy one and see if I like it.

Posted by: Gref at April 17, 2022 09:37 PM (AMIL/)

Wouldn't a revolving seat cause some instability?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 17, 2022 09:41 PM (lvkEF)

358 Hiya JT!
Posted by: Heidi

Happy Easter !

Posted by: JT at April 17, 2022 09:41 PM (arJlL)

359 336 Posted by: Gref at April 17, 2022 09:27 PM (AMIL/)
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Thanks for participating, Gref! Starting to plan for Texas this fall.

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:32 PM (0IeYL)

I meant the following for you, Weasel. My BP is too high for being called out about some time frame when I said nothing about a SEAL time frame or SEALs using M9s.
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Have you or anyone you know used a drummer's stool, or throne as they are usually called, for seating at a shooting bench? All appear to have adjustable height, and all have rotating seats. I may buy one and see if I like it.

Posted by: Gref at April 17, 2022 09:41 PM (AMIL/)

360 frangible

Posted by: Anna Puma
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They tend to leave a dusty mess, at least the few that I have shot. Don't care for them a bit in semi auto firearms.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 09:41 PM (Iq9dF)

361 It's a miracle!

Posted by: Eromero at April 17, 2022 09:39 PM (0OP+5)

Help yourself. Weasel doesn't pay OT, so time to go!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at April 17, 2022 09:41 PM (7bRMQ)

362 I picked up a Spanish Orbea Smith & Wesson knock off

Well, orbea son of a gun !

Posted by: JT at April 17, 2022 09:42 PM (arJlL)

363 WEASEL! I hope all is well in your world! I would love to have a lesson or two on how to shoot the 308 I inherited from my dad. Perhaps a TX MoMe.

Posted by: Heidi at April 17, 2022 09:42 PM (LzdUC)

364 357 Have you or anyone you know used a drummer's stool, or throne as they are usually called, for seating at a shooting bench? All appear to have adjustable height, and all have rotating seats. I may buy one and see if I like it.

Posted by: Gref at April 17, 2022 09:37 PM (AMIL/)

Wouldn't a revolving seat cause some instability?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 17, 2022 09:41 PM (lvkEF)

Some or all have seats that can be locked from rotating if the use wants.

Posted by: Gref at April 17, 2022 09:42 PM (AMIL/)

365
Wouldn't a revolving seat cause some instability?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 17, 2022 09:41 PM (lvkEF)
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Recoil can start uncontrollable spinning. Seen it a hundred times.

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:42 PM (0IeYL)

366 I picked up a Spanish Orbea Smith & Wesson knock off that I thought was in 32-20 (one of the permitted Spanish military cartridges at one time) and it turned out to be 8mm Lebel pistol.

Posted by: Kindltot
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WWI really kickstarted the Spanish firearm industry especially in handguns.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 09:43 PM (Iq9dF)

367 356....

The 7.62 x 25 Tokarev would make a great cartridge for a modern AR-pattern "pistol". CMMG's radial delayed blowback system would seemingly make a perfect mate for this cartridge.

Posted by: PacosMojo at April 17, 2022 09:43 PM (XFtIZ)

368 363 WEASEL! I hope all is well in your world! I would love to have a lesson or two on how to shoot the 308 I inherited from my dad. Perhaps a TX MoMe.
Posted by: Heidi at April 17, 2022 09:42 PM (LzdUC)
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I'd be happy to do some shooting with you!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:44 PM (0IeYL)

369
Got a son that can do the Clampett ricochet trick pretty well. Hard to beat. Bounces the pellet off the gravel to knock the can upwards.
Posted by: MkY

Elly May could use her double barreled sling shot.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 17, 2022 09:44 PM (63Dwl)

370 Recoil can start uncontrollable spinning. Seen it a hundred times.
Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:42 PM (0IeYL)
Bang bang bang all around the compass!

Posted by: Eromero at April 17, 2022 09:45 PM (0OP+5)

371 293 Just bought my first AR-15!

Posted by: leber
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Congrats. Weasel features range reports submitted as comments so you might want to think about that after you shoot it at the range.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 09:45 PM (Iq9dF)

372 Posted by: Gref at April 17, 2022 09:41 PM (AMIL/)
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Shake it off, no sense in getting your BP up!

I have not, but it's an interesting idea. Most of the benches I have used have some sort of fixed seat arrangement.

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:46 PM (0IeYL)

373 I'd be happy to do some shooting with you!
Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:44 PM (0IeYL)

You are the best!! Blessings to you and yours!

Posted by: Heidi at April 17, 2022 09:47 PM (LzdUC)

374 Good night everyone and Happy Easter!

Posted by: PacosMojo at April 17, 2022 09:48 PM (XFtIZ)

375 Posted by: Heidi at April 17, 2022 09:47 PM (LzdUC)
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Aw shucks. Same to you and that reprobate you're associated with!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:49 PM (0IeYL)

376 Most of the benches I have used have some sort of fixed seat arrangement.
Posted by: Weasel

Especially after Lizzo sits down !

Posted by: JT at April 17, 2022 09:49 PM (arJlL)

377 The 7.62 x 25 Tokarev would make a great cartridge for a modern AR-pattern "pistol". CMMG's radial delayed blowback system would seemingly make a perfect mate for this cartridge.

Posted by: PacosMojo at April 17, 2022 09:43 PM (XFtIZ)

I always thought the Spanish Destroyer carbine in 9mm Largo would be a wonderful conversion to 7.62 x 25, but I never found one with a bad barrel to merit a conversion just for fun.
And now of course they are insanely expensive

Posted by: Kindltot at April 17, 2022 09:50 PM (xhaym)

378 Posted by: PacosMojo at April 17, 2022 09:48 PM (XFtIZ)
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Nite PM!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:50 PM (0IeYL)

379 Nite PM!
Posted by: Weasel

ISWYDT

Posted by: JT at April 17, 2022 09:51 PM (arJlL)

380 1. I saved and printed Weasel's training recommendations. I usually bring multiple guns to the range. Today I went alone and focused on one. I I I learned more about that gun today than all the others. Still not thrilled but it's making more sense.

I clean my guns when they jam. Ha! Seriously, I clean them but I'm not anal about it. If I can only afford to put 20 rounds through the .308 bolt why should I clean it every when I can put 50+ through the 9mm at the same time/price. I think the gun should fire good ammo way more often than I can afford to fire it. I can clean at the range if I have to. If I shoot 25 rounds at trap and my friend comes home with more than 25 ducks in one day, I don't think he's cleaning half way through his day. Maybe afterwards because he's out in the marsh.

Love the thread. Made last year's NoVaMoMe. This year it has to be Wildwood that weekend. I hope to alternate until I'm out of the hell hole known as New Jersey.

Posted by: JerseyDevilRider at April 17, 2022 09:51 PM (XEfn8)

381 Especially after Lizzo sits down !

"Hey, what happened to the seat? Anyone see it?"

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 17, 2022 09:51 PM (LF5cC)

382 Posted by: JerseyDevilRider at April 17, 2022 09:51 PM (XEfn

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Thank you very much, JDR! I appreciate that. Nice to have you here.

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:54 PM (0IeYL)

383 Every Sunday I am reminded by the Gun Thread that I forgot to go to the range again. I've had my bag packed, sights changed out and rounds loaded for my 1917 for probably 3 or 4 months now. Weather allowing maybe next Sunday.

Posted by: Javems at April 17, 2022 09:55 PM (AmoqO)

384 Posted by: Gref at April 17, 2022 09:37 PM (AMIL/)

this seems like an excellent idea if the seat rotation can be locked in once the height has been selected, I always seem to have an problem getting my position, the rifle position, and the table/support height to a comfortable match. This would seem to make that combination far easier to set up.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~every book has been totally rewritten ~ at April 17, 2022 09:56 PM (hOUT3)

385 I always thought the Spanish Destroyer carbine in 9mm Largo would be a wonderful conversion to 7.62 x 25, but I never found one with a bad barrel to merit a conversion just for fun.
And now of course they are insanely expensive

Posted by: Kindltot
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Sarco did have some without the bolt and well weathered stocks. I have seen the bolts pop up now and again on Ebay.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 09:57 PM (Iq9dF)

386 Posted by: Javems at April 17, 2022 09:55 PM (AmoqO)
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Send in a report!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:57 PM (0IeYL)

387 I have been told the rigorous screening process leaves a bit to be desired. It seems they'll admit anyone with $25.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at April 17, 2022 09:58 PM (+Kpte)

388 387 I have been told the rigorous screening process leaves a bit to be desired. It seems they'll admit anyone with $25.
Posted by: WarEagle82 at April 17, 2022 09:58 PM (+Kpte)

Same as in town!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~every book has been totally rewritten ~ at April 17, 2022 09:59 PM (hOUT3)

389 Heading out to a classified location - see y'all in May! Thanks Weasel as always.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 17, 2022 10:00 PM (v23vE)

390 ONT is up everyone! Thank you for being here and please enjoy the rest of the evening. Hope to see you all back here next Sunday!

Happy Easter!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 10:00 PM (0IeYL)

391 380 I saved and printed Weasel's training recommendations. I usually bring multiple guns to the range. Today I went alone and focused on one. I I I learned more about that gun today than all the others. Posted by: JerseyDevilRider
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When trying to diagnose shooting issues, cutting down the variables helps. For example, shooting the same brand and bullets from the factory, cleaning and lubing the firearm to spec, checking the magazines, and so on. With multiple firearms, it is more difficult to diagnose any shooting problem (or for that matter a mechanical problem with a firearm). You can loosen up a bit when you become good friends with a particular firearm.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 10:01 PM (Iq9dF)

392 389 Heading out to a classified location - see y'all in May! Thanks Weasel as always.

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Good luck.

Posted by: whig at April 17, 2022 10:03 PM (Iq9dF)

393 Posted by: Javems at April 17, 2022 09:55 PM (AmoqO)
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Send in a report!
Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:57 PM (0IeYL)

Don't forget the cover sheet.

Did you get the memo?

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at April 17, 2022 10:04 PM (x8Wzq)

394 LAST!!

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at April 17, 2022 10:05 PM (x8Wzq)

395 257 scrub your M14 in the shower?
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at April 17, 2022 08:29 PM (uldoW)

When we came back from the range the cooks would breakout the dedicated garbage cans and emerson heaters they heated C rations with. We would field strip weapons, wrap the metal parts in a towel, and dip them into the boiling water. Then oil them up and put them back together. Guess it worked cause we kept doing it.

Posted by: Javems at April 17, 2022 10:08 PM (AmoqO)

396 386 Posted by: Javems at April 17, 2022 09:55 PM (AmoqO)
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Send in a report!

Posted by: Weasel at April 17, 2022 09:57 PM (0IeYL)

YES SIR!

Posted by: Javems at April 17, 2022 10:10 PM (AmoqO)

397 I saw a video of a Ukrainian boy, a 4 year old, walking down some dirt road all by himself. He was screaming. I can't get it out of my mind.

Yeah, fuck that kid. It's all just propaganda.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at April 17, 2022 11:09 PM (HabA/)

398 I totally missed because of Easter. But it's a nice read. Thanks, again, Weasel.

A couple of things on good practice:
As to taking only one gun: it's sort of like going out on a date with your mistress and your wife. Unless they have a particular kind of kink, you really can't concentrate with both of them there.

One thing you forgot (but mentioned offhand in the last point) is the idea of lessons or a knowledgeable "range buddy". Someone who can look at what you're doing (you can't, as you're busy looking at the target) and suggest things like we've seen mentioned a lot here: flinching, loose grip, bad grip, even catching something wrong with the extraction or stripping the next round from the magazine. Not every time. But certainly on a deliberate basis as part of your planned skill work.

Posted by: GWB at April 18, 2022 05:20 PM (D/wPf)

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