Donald Trump Endorses Liberal Mehmet Oz in Pennsylvania Senate Race

Former President Donald Trump endorsed celebrity doctor Mehmet Oz in Pennsylvania's U.S. Senate Race on Saturday after his initial pick, Sean Parnell, dropped out amid a contentious custody battle with his estranged wife last fall.

So he had previously endorsed a conservative. But why the change now to someone who previously pushed amnesty for illegal aliens?

Or a guy who wrote columns supporting gun control, and then lied, claiming he didn't personally write columns in his own name? (He did.)

But here is the problem for Oz--he cannot blame just the co-author of the column for the radical views he espoused on the Second Amendment in favor of gun control, because there are many other instances where Oz himself pushed gun control outside of the column. Perhaps most significantly, in 2018, Oz tweeted calling for a CDC study on "gun violence in this country" and said he thinks it is "time we view shootings as a public health problem." The tweet remains public on his Twitter profile, from which he is now campaigning as a U.S. Senate candidate claiming to be a Republican--but from which just a couple of years ago he was pushing full-blown gun control...
This latest claim about his columns seems to have been invented by his U.S. Senate campaign when he needed an excuse to get out of the political liability of having written these intensely unpopular views--but when it was convenient to his public image as a celebrity doctor friendly with the American political left, Oz celebrated his column.
For instance, in a Thanksgiving piece for Time Magazine in 2013, Oz wrote that he constantly runs into people who thank him for writing his column--many of them by this point pushed these gun control ideas--and he said he was proud to put his name on them. "I get stopped by people who mention they learned something on my show or read my newspaper column and benefitted from it," Oz wrote of his columns with Roizen.

More recently, in February, he told supporters in Bucks County that he supports the "red flag" law.

Oz has also previously been an abortion supporter, before suddenly realizing he's been "pro life" all along.

But only two years earlier, Oz characterized efforts to overturn Roe as a misleading and possibly conspiratorial crusade. Not only was Oz supportive of abortion rights, he seemed puzzled that people would spend time fighting abortion rights--going so far as to say that, as a physician, he was "really worried" about the anti-abortion movement and that eliminating Roe would have negative effects on women's health.
"It's, as a doctor--just putting my doctor hat on--it's a big-time concern," Oz said in the 2019 interview, which aired on the Breakfast Club radio show. "Because I went to medical school in Philadelphia, and I saw women who had coat-hanger events. And I mean really traumatic events that happened when they were younger, before Roe v. Wade. And many of them were harmed for life."
Oz conceded that abortion "is a hard issue for everybody," and he said that, on "a personal level," he disliked abortion and would not want anyone in his family to have one. But he took a common pro-choice position in 2019 that his belief should not be forced onto others. He would not want to "interfere with everyone else's stuff," he said, "because it's hard enough to get into life as it is."

So, this post is going to cause trouble. There are some commenters who insist that Trump is beyond criticism and that any criticism of him is disloyal or helps the left.

But it's that kind of claim, which convinces Trump, wrongly, that he can do whatever he want and conservatives will not hold it against him if he goes liberal, which then induces him to go to the left.

If you want to support Mehmet Oz and tell me he's the best possible candidate, then you go ahead an do so. But note that Trump was previously supporting an actual conservative, Sean Parnell, so Trump believes a real conservative can win this race.

But don't tell me that I can't point out that Trump has ignored conservative candidates to endorse, yet again, someone he's seen on TV.

Now what's probably going on is that Oz is the highest-profile candidate who agreed to pledge fealty to Trump behind the scenes. (As if that counts -- Mitt Romney interviewed to be Trump's Secretary of State and I'm sure he told Trump he was a big fan and supporter. Spoiler: He was not a big fan and supporter.)

And I don't actually blame Trump for trying to stock the Senate with people who owe Trump something. Mitch McConnell also endorses people based on his understanding of who will support McConnell's Corporate China-Aligned Fake Conservatism, and he kneecaps those who he suspects won't.

For example: Bitch McConnell just donated to fellow neocon Acela Corridor Liberal and corporate stooge Liz Cheney.

And Trump knows that Mitch McConnell has the Senate stocked with NeverTrump fish.

I dislike this Roman game of advancing your loyalists in the Senate, but I do understand, it's a rotten game that mut be played.

But we can't permit Trump to endorse non-conservatives without rebuke just as we can't permit Mitch McConnell to do the same without rebuke.

He could have endorsed a lower-profile candidate. I'm sure any number of them were willing to do so (and might have already have done so). If Trump's coveted endorsement is actually worthy of coveting, he should be able to endorse someone up to a win.

He keeps "endorsing" people who are already ahead. Like he's trying to pad his "endorsement wins record" with sure things.

"Cheap Date Conservatism," where conservatives have given their blessing to people and called them "conservative" based on the most trivial of gestures while ignoring their liberalism, has really harmed the movement over the years.

Posted by: Ace at 01:48 PM

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1 Sponge!

Posted by: Bete at April 11, 2022 01:47 PM (F9322)

2 I guess he has a reason for this!

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 11, 2022 01:47 PM (yrol0)

3 Wizard of Id>>Wizard of Oz>>Mr Dr Oz.

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 11, 2022 01:48 PM (yrol0)

4
Zardoz >>> Dr. Oz

Yeah, Trump is not the one for '24.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 11, 2022 01:48 PM (s2VJv)

5 Yep. This is a shit take by Trump. Maybe it was the "least bad choice" in this particular situation but it's still shit.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik [DHS Verdict: MDM] at April 11, 2022 01:49 PM (DTX3h)

6 I agree with this, can't believe he endorsed OZ.

Posted by: Inogame at April 11, 2022 01:49 PM (53oGX)

7 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - FJB at April 11, 2022 01:49 PM (Zz0t1)

8 As Mike at Cold Fury wrote several years ago, who would have guessed that Trump's biggest problem would be not hiring and firing the right people?

Posted by: Dr. T at April 11, 2022 01:50 PM (bhRsz)

9 Willowed:

Mimi Reinhard, a secretary in Oskar Schindler's office who typed up the list of Jews he saved from extermination by Nazi Germany, has died in Israel at the age of 107. Reinhard was one of 1,200 Jews saved by Schindler.

Salute!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 11, 2022 01:50 PM (H4qIP)

10 But, but, he has learned his lesson and will vet the people he brings in much more carefully this time.

Posted by: Bete at April 11, 2022 01:50 PM (F9322)

11 Backed by Oprah.

Fuck that guy.

Dementia Don? WTF Trump?!?

Posted by: Sponge - FJB at April 11, 2022 01:50 PM (Zz0t1)

12 Too bad about Sean Parnell.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 11, 2022 01:51 PM (jTmQV)

13 The campaign against Oz has already started here in PA, from the anti-lib side

I refuse to say conservative anymore because that term has lost all meaning

Posted by: kallisto at April 11, 2022 01:51 PM (DJFLF)

14 I wouldn't endorse everything Trump says or does, but I also wouldn't sum up his presidency as lazy tweeting like a teenager either.

Anyway, except for the Pet and Gardening threads, I am taking a nice long break from the site. This is bound to please many, so "you're welcome".

Posted by: CN The First at April 11, 2022 01:51 PM (ONvIw)

15 "But we can't permit Trump to endorse non-conservatives without rebuke just as we can't permit Mitch McConnell to do the same without rebuke."

If there were formatting tags for flashing, cycling color, and pulsing font size, I'd apply them too.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 11, 2022 01:51 PM (/EuRN)

16 Uh oh

Posted by: In Reel Life (yes, dummy, on purpose) at April 11, 2022 01:51 PM (QYPq3)

17 Swell...

This should be a fun thread.

Looks for Joe Mannix to distract us with pulchritude

#boobs

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 11, 2022 01:51 PM (BgMrQ)

18 5 Yep. This is a shit take by Trump. Maybe it was the "least bad choice" in this particular situation but it's still shit.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik [DHS Verdict: MDM] at April 11, 2022 01:49 PM (DTX3h)

If there is no good choice the Trump doesn't have to endorse.

And yet he did.

Posted by: Bete at April 11, 2022 01:51 PM (F9322)

19 Sigh

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 11, 2022 01:51 PM (drs6R)

20 "But we can't permit Trump to endorse non-conservatives without rebuke just as we can't permit Mitch McConnell to do the same without rebuke."

The rebuke need not be cruel.

Posted by: gp's Electro-Tonic Tension at April 11, 2022 01:52 PM (qpX6U)

21 This is insane.. We I heard about it I was furious... WTF was he thinking ?

Posted by: Kamala and Joe at April 11, 2022 01:52 PM (J8ILO)

22 But we can't permit Trump to endorse non-conservatives without rebuke just as we can't permit Mitch McConnell to do the same without rebuke.

"Cheap Date Conservatism," where conservatives have given their blessing to people and called them "conservative" based on the most trivial of gestures while ignoring their liberalism, has really harmed the movement over the years.
++++
Solid.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 11, 2022 01:52 PM (DU+/6)

23 Afternoon.

It might be Trump cares less for Oz and more about sticking it to Mitch.

Posted by: Robert at April 11, 2022 01:52 PM (UuhPQ)

24 I support Oz because he's the only one who can comfortably beat the Democrat in November.

Remember Christine O'Donnell? Sharon Angle? Ken Buck? All "true conservative" picks in 2010 Senate Races that kept cost us winning control of both chambers of the legislature.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 11, 2022 01:52 PM (700n7)

25 What the hell is it with Trump and doctors?

Posted by: Azathoth at April 11, 2022 01:53 PM (wb1YC)

26 He's quickly jumped on the "any Republican is better than a Democrat" bandwagon.

Disappoint.

Posted by: Sponge - FJB at April 11, 2022 01:53 PM (Zz0t1)

27 Correct. This is a horrible choice by Trump. Really, his record at picking people is average batting average level.

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at April 11, 2022 01:53 PM (EpDzw)

28 What I find troubling about the story is that it suggests that Trump's personnel problems, and appointment problems, are going to continue in any new administration. He's a perpetual sucker for any "celebrity" who puts even a minor amount of effort into sucking up to him. See his inexplicable hiring of "Omarosa", who of course betrayed him as soon as she could.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 11, 2022 01:53 PM (trdmm)

29 I don't see how Trump's endorsement of Oz works out well for real conservatism.

It took me long enough to realize that Cruz was not a trustworthy conservative. Now I just expect to be betrayed by everyone.

But in the primaries I would at least like to have respectable choice and there seems to be an actual conservative for this race. So I don't see how this works even though I am a Trump fan and want to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: Iris at April 11, 2022 01:53 PM (DibdT)

30 Say it ain't so Donald.. Say it ain't so.. I'm royally pissed

Posted by: It's me donna at April 11, 2022 01:53 PM (J8ILO)

31 Oz is an absolute clown. Even if everything he had previously said was rock-solid populist/conservative, I would not back Oprah's celebrity snake oil salesman. I have no doubt that he simply had the most vigorous pucker on his Trump ass-kiss, and that's why he got the endorsement. But it's embarrassing.

I'll support Trump over any RINO/NeverTrumper/McConnellite, and also over any Democrat, because they are all the same thing. But I won't support Trump over DeSantis. Trump's unforced errors particularly around personnel decisions, including endorsements, is just to big a deal to overlook, particularly when DeSantis brings the vast majority of the same positives as Trump (although importantly, hasn't demonstrated them at the national level and in the Oval Office as Trump has), with far, far fewer of the negatives.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at April 11, 2022 01:53 PM (YQ4mh)

32 Are Trump and Oz personal friends somehow through TV-ing? That might at least somewhat explain it.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 11, 2022 01:53 PM (/EuRN)

33 Ignore the man behind the curtain.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 11, 2022 01:54 PM (vuisn)

34 "Cheap Date Conservatism,"

More like a gypsy good time. That's where she brings you back to her place, her husband beats you with a bat and tosses you out while she goes through your pockets and steals your watch.

Posted by: VDH's disapprobation at April 11, 2022 01:54 PM (l/goJ)

35 Another unforced error by Trump. He's either terrible at judging people or uses a different filter in which actual politics are a secondary consideration.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at April 11, 2022 01:54 PM (HmZuC)

36 Remember Christine O'Donnell?
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 11, 2022 01:52 PM (700n7)

She isn't a witch.

Posted by: Robert at April 11, 2022 01:54 PM (UuhPQ)

37 Rebuke him yes, but we shan't comminate him.

Posted by: gp's Electro-Tonic Tension at April 11, 2022 01:54 PM (qpX6U)

38 Trump: Celebrity over soundness. It was a theme in his worst picks.

He also must be getting nervous that DeSantis has raised over $100 million. Trump is Going again with the whole "he was At 3% Before I endorsed him" gambit again. Like he's responsible for everything DeSantis did since being elected.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 11, 2022 01:54 PM (cFL36)

39 This is why I do not put my Faith in politics. I treat it with contempt because that is what it shows me 99% of the time. Anyway, until someone unleashes a flamethrower to the Administrative State, nothing is going to change in Babylon DC.

Posted by: Puddleglum at April 11, 2022 01:54 PM (sAmhv)

40 Remember Christine O'Donnell? Sharon Angle? Ken Buck? All "true conservative" picks in 2010 Senate Races that kept cost us winning control of both chambers of the legislature.
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 11, 2022 01:52 PM (700n7)

See my memory also reminds me that the GOP abandoned and in some cases openly worked against those candidates for office.

Posted by: Inogame at April 11, 2022 01:54 PM (53oGX)

41 Amen, Ace.

Posted by: Roug at April 11, 2022 01:54 PM (oHfpQ)

42 I support Oz because he's the only one who can comfortably beat the Democrat in November.

Remember Christine O'Donnell? Sharon Angle? Ken Buck? All "true conservative" picks in 2010 Senate Races that kept cost us winning control of both chambers of the legislature.
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 11, 2022 01:52 PM (700n7)

Remember when we got it and they did nothing? You do realize that when we pick someone the GOP inner party doesn't like, they do everything they can to throw the race?

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at April 11, 2022 01:54 PM (EpDzw)

43 Seems like an unforced error.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 11, 2022 01:54 PM (II3Gr)

44
Wait, I thought Oz dropped out like two weeks ago?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 11, 2022 01:55 PM (s2VJv)

45
If there is no good choice the Trump doesn't have to endorse.

And yet he did.
Posted by: Bete at April 11, 2022 01:51 PM (F9322)

To not endorse at all risks a sure loser candidate getting the nomination and going up against the Democrat.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 11, 2022 01:55 PM (700n7)

46 >>> 28 What I find troubling about the story is that it suggests that Trump's personnel problems, and appointment problems, are going to continue in any new administration. He's a perpetual sucker for any "celebrity" who puts even a minor amount of effort into sucking up to him. See his inexplicable hiring of "Omarosa", who of course betrayed him as soon as she could.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 11, 2022 01:53 PM (trdmm)

Yeah, THAT whole thing was just weird. What was her job anyway...?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 11, 2022 01:55 PM (llON8)

47 Dubious though Trump's personnel picks may be...this is what his administration accomplished in four short years.
Reagan didn't do as much in eight.

https://tinyurl.com/326kaksm

Posted by: kallisto at April 11, 2022 01:55 PM (DJFLF)

48 so is Oz's chief opponent in the race any better? Don't know anything about him.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 11, 2022 01:55 PM (trdmm)

49 36 Remember Christine O'Donnell?
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 11, 2022 01:52 PM (700n7)

She isn't a witch.
Posted by: Robert at April 11, 2022 01:54 PM (UuhPQ)

She came across as a little wooden in person...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 11, 2022 01:55 PM (BgMrQ)

50 32 Are Trump and Oz personal friends somehow through TV-ing? That might at least somewhat explain it.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 11, 2022 01:53 PM (/EuRN)

Supposedly yes and there is another aspect.. Trump's vanity...He noted that when he was President "Dr." Oz said he was not nuts and he was in fine health....

Posted by: It's me donna at April 11, 2022 01:55 PM (J8ILO)

51 Remember Christine O'Donnell?
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 11, 2022 01:52 PM (700n7)

She isn't a witch.
Posted by: Robert at April 11, 2022 01:54 PM (UuhPQ)

She's you.

Posted by: Sponge - FJB at April 11, 2022 01:56 PM (Zz0t1)

52 Questions of ideological credentials aside, it just makes good tactical sense to criticize Trump in a case like this.

Every winning presidential ticket rests on a coalition of sorts; in this case, the grassroots Right and those members of the GOPe Trump managed to win over. But coalitions, because they are coalitions, are always in tension; their individual components tend in different directions. The guy at the top has to manage those interests based on the perceived cost of alienating either one too much.

All of which is to say, loudly disagreeing with Trump's pick is a warning that he can't simply take us for granted; he has to continue to do at least some things we approve of. I don't see the downside in not speaking out about this.

Posted by: Dr. T at April 11, 2022 01:56 PM (bhRsz)

53 Current and convenient ideology aside, there is a strategic problem in nominating someone whose job was speaking on television for an hour a day for a very long time. There is bound to be enough material in his broadcasting history to hang him in a general election.

Posted by: Alec Leamas (hard at work) at April 11, 2022 01:56 PM (ssz2a)

54 And when it comes down to it, a Senator Oz will side with McConnell 100% of the time.

To put it another way, I don't think Desantis would be endorsing Oz.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 11, 2022 01:56 PM (KbCG3)

55 I'm not thrilled with this doctor Oz clown, but after Parnell dropped out -- or rather, was forced out by his cunting ex-wife -- what other good option is there? I noticed this post took a shit on Oz (understandably), but did not offer any alternative.

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 11, 2022 01:56 PM (iFTx/)

56 Just curious, will Trump still Be saying he's going to protect your big, beautiful Second Amendmend?

BTW, isnt Oz way behind in the polls?

Posted by: Marcus T at April 11, 2022 01:56 PM (cFL36)

57 See my memory also reminds me that the GOP abandoned and in some cases openly worked against those candidates for office.

Posted by: Inogame at April 11, 2022 01:54 PM (53oGX)

^^^ That's my memory too. Just can't get GOPe support for real conservatives.

Posted by: Iris at April 11, 2022 01:56 PM (DibdT)

58 Wait, I thought Oz dropped out like two weeks ago?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 11, 2022 01:55 PM (s2VJv)

Nah, that was the Cowardly Lion - Fred Upton.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 11, 2022 01:56 PM (trdmm)

59 Oz? Do we really need another GOP Senator who will vote with the Dems on every important issue?

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 11, 2022 01:57 PM (oHd/0)

60 The biggest obstacle Trump has is that in situations like this, it's a coin toss as to whether he was talked into it by his kids or he knows and likes the guy personally.

Posted by: Azathoth at April 11, 2022 01:57 PM (wb1YC)

61 On the other hand, Mike Pence was a true conservative and looked to be the natural successor to Trump.

Until he wasn't.

Don't disagree with you Ace, but also the calculus in PA is that Republicans need to win there. There is a GOP voting majority in the state, but the GOP there is putting up shitty candidates. This includes Parnell who should not have lost to Lamb, even with the cheating in Pittsburgh.

So Oz will be an improvement over the current situation, and has a decent chance of winning.

The real bullshit is having Murkowski and Romney in the Senate from states that should be voting strong red. Not to mention Tester.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2022 01:57 PM (5p7BC)

62 This must be more of the 8-D chess I keep hearing Trump plays.

Posted by: Sponge - FJB at April 11, 2022 01:57 PM (Zz0t1)

63 Disappointing and weird but not enough to move my needle.

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 01:57 PM (dscaa)

64 Lotta synonyms for 'rebuke.' 'Objurgation?' Sounds like disembowelment with a ballbat.

Posted by: gp's Electro-Tonic Tension at April 11, 2022 01:57 PM (qpX6U)

65 It took me long enough to realize that Cruz was not a trustworthy conservative. Now I just expect to be betrayed by everyone.

Sadly, yes.

DeSantis seems to be the only true anti-leftist on the national scene.

But Trump wasn't a conservative, he was a populist outsider who produced the list of accomplishments I linked above.

Posted by: kallisto at April 11, 2022 01:57 PM (DJFLF)

66 The primary election is next month, so it's not as if a dark house candidate could leap ahead at this point.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 11, 2022 01:58 PM (700n7)

67 >>>Oz? Do we really need another GOP Senator who will vote with the Dems on every important issue?

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 11, 2022 01:57 PM (oHd/0)

Yes.

Posted by: Mitch the Turtle at April 11, 2022 01:58 PM (QYPq3)

68 Endorsement strategies normally do little to motivate people. With Sean Parnell gone in a similar way to Mandel's vanishing act against Sherrod, you essentially get a pissing contest between Trump and McConnell in Senate primary contests where the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

McConnell is trying to hold on as Senate leader for the Republicans for the ancien regime and Trump opposes that. Personally, I am ok with that if both mutually take each other out if DeSantis is left unscathed. I still support Trump as a suitable wrecking ball for better or worse against the GOPe and Conservative, Inc. and will wait to make up my mind in 2024 as to who the GOP should pick for prezzie. The greatest benefit to the Republic right now would be to take down the GOPe control of the Republican party from the Bushes, McConnells, Cheneys, and other nepots that are 'life long' Republicans. So, if Oz is a means to take out McConnell, so be it.

Posted by: whig at April 11, 2022 01:58 PM (Iq9dF)

69 35 Another unforced error by Trump. He's either terrible at judging people or uses a different filter in which actual politics are a secondary consideration.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at April 11, 2022 01:54 PM (HmZuC)

It's possible. He may be going with his gut read on people.

There is a guy I work with. Not my boss, but higher in the organization. Every single person he has said 'they are a hard worker' or 'they'll be good' has been an unmitigated disaster. Usually all the same too. Lazy, no sense of urgency, ass-kisser (this might be the key.) The guy has the worst gut level read of people I have ever seen. Or maybe he just reads the surface, I dunno.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 11, 2022 01:58 PM (dNqv+)

70 Oz? Do we really need another GOP Senator who will vote with the Dems on every important issue?
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 11, 2022 01:57 PM (oHd/0)

Some posters here obviously think so. Really though, voting in the Fed elections doesn't matter. The Uniparty will do what it wants.

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at April 11, 2022 01:58 PM (EpDzw)

71 Re: red flag laws. "First get the guns. Then worry about due process."

-- some famous guy

Posted by: Oddbob at April 11, 2022 01:58 PM (nfrXX)

72 Pay no attention to the doctor behind the curtain.

Posted by: wth at April 11, 2022 01:58 PM (v0R5T)

73 I suspect Trump is endorsing Oz simply because he's well-know, and possibly because he thinks wine moms might like Oz because of his Oprah association.

I don't think Trump is beyond criticism, but I think the criticism of him that's based on "He should have fired EVERYBODY!" is unrealistic. Not only could he not fire Dr. Fow Chee, if he had every Covid death would have been laid at his feet.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 11, 2022 01:58 PM (mR6Gs)

74 Oz never gave nothing to the Trump-man that he didn't already have....

Posted by: Archer at April 11, 2022 01:58 PM (gmo/4)

75 I have mixed emotions about this subject. One one hand, I want Mitch the Bitch castrated in his Senate power stronghold. On the other hand, I really don't want another useless Mitt Romney clone like Dr. Oz.

Someone already said it. I don't live in PA, and won't vote in that election, so aside from the GOPe issue...anything to castrate Mitch the Bitch and his throat labia Never Trump COC butt buddies.

Posted by: BifBewalski (UgAdJ) - at April 11, 2022 01:59 PM (UgAdJ)

76 But why?!

The first line of DJT's Apr 11 Update says it all: "This is all about winning elections in order to stop the Radical Left maniacs from destroying our Country..."

Who knows, maybe Oz was as ok with Oprah as Trump was with Epstein, and for the exact same reasons.

Posted by: t-bird at April 11, 2022 01:59 PM (CTJwJ)

77 >>>32 Are Trump and Oz personal friends somehow through TV-ing? That might at least somewhat explain it.

No, Trump says in the endorsement he never met him.

But Trump tends to like shit people if he's seen them on TV -- like John Bolton.

Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 01:59 PM (0G13K)

78 Hello!

Posted by: Anthony Scaramucci at April 11, 2022 01:59 PM (HmZuC)

79 She's you.
Posted by: Sponge - FJB at April 11, 2022 01:56 PM (Zz0t1)

Christine O'Donnel is a bald, middle-aged truck driver?

Fuck me, time hasn't been kind to her.

Posted by: Robert at April 11, 2022 01:59 PM (UuhPQ)

80 Abjure? Abjuration?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 11, 2022 01:59 PM (dNqv+)

81 I support Oz because he's the only one who can comfortably beat the Democrat in November.

Remember Christine O'Donnell? Sharon Angle? Ken Buck? All "true conservative" picks in 2010 Senate Races that kept cost us winning control of both chambers of the legislature.
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 11, 2022 01:52 PM (700n7)

That sounds unpleasantly like McConnell/Boehner/Ryan ever since 2010. "We can't accomplish anything because we don't control both houses of Congress/we don't have the White House as well/we don't have overwhelming majorities in each house/this is not the hill to die on."

Posted by: Dr. T at April 11, 2022 01:59 PM (bhRsz)

82 There is bound to be enough material in his broadcasting history to hang him in a general election.

Posted by: Alec Leamas (hard at work) at April 11, 2022 01:56 PM (ssz2a)

There's actually enough to hang him with the leftoids too though. Like at the very beginning of the coof scare, OZ was against lockdowns.

Posted by: kallisto at April 11, 2022 01:59 PM (DJFLF)

83 Oz is a grifter. He seems to lend his name and endorsement to all kinds of quackery - particularly in the "diet industry".

this is a bad call by Trump. Trump's endorsements don't seem to be based on any kind of governing philosophy as they range all over the map, which leads me to agree that his endorsements are based almost entirely on who does the best job kissing up.

Posted by: Mehive at April 11, 2022 01:59 PM (ky+MF)

84 So who is the conservative with a chance to win the primary in PA that Trump has ignored?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 01:59 PM (ZLI7S)

85 Besides great economic growth, energy independence, Supreme Court justices, standing up to the Deep State and lots of insults hurled at the Dems, what has Donald Trump ever done for us?

And an effective foreign policy. And lower taxes. But besides all that, what has Donald Trump done for us?

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 11, 2022 01:59 PM (fkUK1)

86 Is it still okay to vote for DeSantis?

Posted by: cpurick at April 11, 2022 02:00 PM (bwWDS)

87 But Trump tends to like shit people if he's seen them on TV -- like John Bolton.
Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 01:59 PM (0G13K)

To be fair, a LOT of us liked Bolton before we got to know him.

Mea Culpa.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 11, 2022 02:00 PM (dNqv+)

88 I will still happily vote for Trump over whoever the dems put up. Is he perfect? Absolutely not.

But you DeSantis fans better get ready for disappointment too because if he runs, he'll be caught up in the same deep state trap.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at April 11, 2022 02:00 PM (Qhnrt)

89 Not only could he not fire Dr. Fow Chee, if he had every Covid death would have been laid at his feet.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 11, 2022 01:58 PM (mR6Gs)

And yet, every covid death was laid at his feet.

Posted by: Sponge - FJB at April 11, 2022 02:00 PM (Zz0t1)

90 Not only could he not fire Dr. Fow Chee, if he had every Covid death would have been laid at his feet.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 11, 2022 01:58 PM (mR6Gs)

And Commander Fly on Head was in charge of the coof response

Posted by: kallisto at April 11, 2022 02:00 PM (DJFLF)

91 I think actually Oz wants to run for President in the future, so until that actually happens, I think he'll try his best to not to piss off the republican base.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 11, 2022 02:00 PM (700n7)

92 dont forget he was allllll in on the wuflu restrictions

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 11, 2022 02:00 PM (p40Pc)

93 Fred Thompson: living the 'Die a Hero or live long enough to become the villain.'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 11, 2022 02:01 PM (dNqv+)

94 Oz is not really a conservative, but here are a couple who are--Liz Cheney and Mike Pence

Posted by: JoeF. at April 11, 2022 02:01 PM (mR6Gs)

95 Sadly, yes.

DeSantis seems to be the only true anti-leftist on the national scene.

But Trump wasn't a conservative, he was a populist outsider who produced the list of accomplishments I linked above.
Posted by: kallisto at April 11, 2022 01:57 PM (DJFLF)

The fact that DeSantis didn't cower in front of pedos from Disney said a lot. Maybe he will betray us. However, he has looked better than anyone else and actually has governing experience.

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at April 11, 2022 02:01 PM (EpDzw)

96 So who is the conservative with a chance to win the primary in PA that Trump has ignored?

Sean Parnell, who got dirty tricked in a manner very similar to the Jeri Ryan situation that gave us Obama.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2022 02:01 PM (ZGrMX)

97 But Trump tends to like shit people if he's seen them on TV -- like John Bolton.

Posted by: ace
--------------
There was quite a bit of support for that shit Bolton on this blog before he burned out in office.

Most of us did not understand how many deranged assholes existed in DC that purportedly were on 'our' side.

Posted by: whig at April 11, 2022 02:01 PM (Iq9dF)

98 Unprecedented Economic Boom

Delivered a future of greater promise and opportunity for citizens of all backgrounds.

Brought jobs, factories, and industries back to the USA.

Hit record stock market numbers and record 401ks.

Rebuilding and investing in rural America.

Achieved a record-setting economic comeback by rejecting blanket lockdowns.

Posted by: kallisto at April 11, 2022 02:01 PM (DJFLF)

99 Oz never did give anything to the Trump man
That he didn't, didn't already have...

Posted by: JoeF. at April 11, 2022 02:01 PM (mR6Gs)

100 I've asked this before - McCormick seems to be the candidate conservatives were going towards before Trump endorsed Oz - is there an issue with McCormick?

Also, the likely dem is an ogre. Seriously look up Fetterman's picture.

He won't just abort your kids...he'll eat them.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 11, 2022 02:02 PM (ESjRY)

101 84 So who is the conservative with a chance to win the primary in PA that Trump has ignored?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 01:59 PM (ZLI7S)

Why announce an endorsement of ANYONE in this case?

Trump should have just stayed out of this one IMO.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 11, 2022 02:02 PM (oHd/0)

102 But you DeSantis fans better get ready for disappointment too because if he runs, he'll be caught up in the same deep state trap.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at April 11, 2022 02:00 PM (Qhnrt)
++++
I think this is true, which is also why I don't care about the presidency anymore. The presidency is a false prize. Even if the guy who gets in is good, he'll be thwarted. The office is stymied and irrelevant at best and a force for evil at worst.

Strong states and nullification need to bring the federal government to heel. Good men in the Oval Office will not get the job done.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 11, 2022 02:02 PM (DU+/6)

103 First GA now this.

Jack P is really going after OZ online. I wish him happy hunting.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at April 11, 2022 02:02 PM (XvPQV)

104 I am at the point, just let it burn.

Posted by: Just some girl at April 11, 2022 02:02 PM (AhBAQ)

105 "But Trump tends to like shit people if he's seen them on TV -- like John Bolton.
Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 01:59 PM (0G13K)"

Sebastian Gorka.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 11, 2022 02:02 PM (cFL36)

106 But Trump tends to like shit people if he's seen them on TV -- like John Bolton.

Get with those laid off from the Keystone pipeline project and see if they GAF about Trump hiring/firing Bolton and Bannon and a dozen other chumps.

Posted by: kallisto at April 11, 2022 02:02 PM (DJFLF)

107 Fetterman is Shrek.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 11, 2022 02:02 PM (drs6R)

108 It's totally fair to criticize Trump for personnel choices. I think that was by far his biggest mistake. But there is a difference between his record of picking executive branch people (which sucks donkey dick) and his record at predicting who can win elections (which is better). We would have control of the Senate right now if primary voters listened to Trump.

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 11, 2022 02:02 PM (iFTx/)

109 For all of Trump's strengths, he seems to have a weakness for making poor hiring choices. Who didn't know, besides Trump, that Omarosa was a train wreck waiting to happen? This dumb endorsement seems to fall neatly in to that poor choices bucket.

Posted by: SamE at April 11, 2022 02:02 PM (Mv5Iw)

110 Seems to me whenever Donald Trump endorses someone, the democrats screech that the candidate has evil Trump cooties and therefore must be destroyed.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at April 11, 2022 02:03 PM (Vxu+H)

111 There was quite a bit of support for that shit Bolton on this blog before he burned out in office.

Most of us did not understand how many deranged assholes existed in DC that purportedly were on 'our' side.
Posted by: whig at April 11, 2022 02:01 PM (Iq9dF)

Yeah, remember all the DIE HARD support for McConnel on here a few years ago?

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 11, 2022 02:03 PM (oHd/0)

112 Tax Relief for the Middle Class

Jobs and investments are pouring into Opportunity Zones.

Massive Deregulation

Ended the regulatory assault on American Businesses and Workers.

Successfully rolled back burdensome regulatory overreach.

Posted by: kallisto at April 11, 2022 02:03 PM (DJFLF)

113 Carryover:

Well that's a bit north of me and the neighbors (the ones I know about) . Hoping whatever you're up to turns out the way you want.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 11, 2022 01:51 PM (llON8

I should've said Northeast TX. I know a lot of the Horde live around the Tyler area.

And thank you. Me too. Dadgum father-in-law is a pain in the ass sometimes.

Posted by: Sponge - FJB at April 11, 2022 02:03 PM (Zz0t1)

114 >>>To be fair, a LOT of us liked Bolton before we got to know him.

yeah but we liked him when we were rabid neocons.

Bolton remained a rabid neocon. He was a total non-fit for Trump's version of muscular non-interventionism.

(What a great turn of phrase. You heard it here first.)

Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:03 PM (0G13K)

115 I agree, but also it's all bullshit and illegitimate. They're all lying grifters who will stab us in the back (see tax cuts but not voting reform in 2017). They know and benefit from the crooked "who counts the vote" system. I refuse to play.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at April 11, 2022 02:03 PM (fj2YZ)

116 Sean Parnell, who got dirty tricked in a manner very similar to the Jeri Ryan situation that gave us Obama.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2022 02:01 PM (ZGrMX)

Sean Parnell's wife has tits the size of her head? AND he used to take her to swingers clubs?!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at April 11, 2022 02:03 PM (XvPQV)

117 How can I trust Trump after 2020 and his insistence that he be lauded for the vax?

Hell, trust no one. If you like a politician, they'll probably stab everyone in the back. They always do.

Posted by: soulpile at April 11, 2022 02:04 PM (hiX0r)

118 Unprecedented Economic Boom

Delivered a future of greater promise and opportunity for citizens of all backgrounds.
Brought jobs, factories, and industries back to the USA.Hit record stock market numbers and record 401ks.
Rebuilding and investing in rural America.
Achieved a record-setting economic comeback by rejecting blanket lockdowns.
Posted by: kallisto at April 11, 2022 02:01 PM (DJFLF)

In short, he was good for MOST Americans--black, white, Latino etc.
But the elite does not want what's good for most Americans, and thus, they have been punishing us ever since Trump left office.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 11, 2022 02:04 PM (mR6Gs)

119 Trump is Trump. We have to embrace his Trumpiness, warts and all.

He does not judge people on ideology or conservative metrics. He does not do anything systematically. He is pure ego and emotion. Obviously this has drawbacks but his ego is what kept him from listening to the "experts" in DC who always had the exact wrong advice.

This doesn't bother me. I want that resolute ego behind the desk.

There are only two ways to get to that level in politics - grift, or ego. I choose ego.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at April 11, 2022 02:04 PM (l/goJ)

120 Trump should endorse Big Mike for something. Globetrotters?

Posted by: klaftern at April 11, 2022 02:04 PM (taPSh)

121 Sorry, just want to recall to people's attention that Jeri Ryan has/had really great tits.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at April 11, 2022 02:04 PM (XvPQV)

122 post-mortems on the Trump presidency will never go out of style

Posted by: DB - now in Cool Mint at April 11, 2022 02:04 PM (geLO8)

123 This is a bad move by Trump. That said got no issue voting for him.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at April 11, 2022 02:04 PM (mp9e7)

124 a block in Santa Monica has become so violent that the Post Office is no longer deliver mail

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 11, 2022 02:04 PM (dKiJG)

125 It's totally fair to criticize Trump for personnel choices. I think that was by far his biggest mistake. But there is a difference between his record of picking executive branch people (which sucks donkey dick) and his record at predicting who can win elections (which is better). We would have control of the Senate right now if primary voters listened to Trump.
Posted by: Elric Blade at April 11, 2022 02:02 PM (iFTx/)

I don't disagree with that. But as I said above, criticism of Trump on this pick is perfectly reasonable, if for no other reason than it's an incentive for him not to take us for granted.

Posted by: Dr. T at April 11, 2022 02:04 PM (bhRsz)

126 Besides great economic growth, energy independence, Supreme Court justices, standing up to the Deep State and lots of insults hurled at the Dems, what has Donald Trump ever done for us?

And an effective foreign policy. And lower taxes. But besides all that, what has Donald Trump done for us?
Posted by: Dr Spank at April 11, 2022 01:59 PM (fkUK1)

No one is saying Trump didn't deliver or at least try to deliver. It's just he is generally horrible at picking people. BTW, I would not be touting SCOTUS which punts whenever they should be doing something. (Not Trump's fault because he did pick from the list he said he would use. *spits on Federalist Society*)

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at April 11, 2022 02:04 PM (EpDzw)

127 So who is the conservative with a chance to win the primary in PA that Trump has ignored?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 01:59 PM (ZLI7S)

The million dollar question

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 02:04 PM (dscaa)

128 >>>She isn't a witch.
Posted by: Robert at April 11, 2022 01:54 PM (UuhPQ)

She came across as a little wooden in person...
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 11, 2022 01:55 PM (BgMrQ)

======

So, she floats?

Posted by: Rules for thee... at April 11, 2022 02:04 PM (jDAqe)

129 Remember too, that during the week Hillary collapsed and her health issues made the mainstream news... Dr. Oz had Trump on his show to talk about his "amazing" physical exam he'd just released to the press. I think Trump still remembers that and appreciates the assist providing a contrast to #SickHillary..

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 11, 2022 02:04 PM (700n7)

130 As you note Trump endorsed Romney and others like him before. Since he chose not to form a new party that means working with the GOPe to some degree. Elaine Chao (McConnel's wife) didn't become head of the Department of Transportation because of her exceptional competence in that field.

It's transactional politics. And as you also noted he supported a guy from our faction until that guy dropped out.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:04 PM (z5Vrg)

131 I think there's a "force multiplication" effect. Were Trump to endorse some nobody with no chance of winning, but with a solid liberty minded platform, that nobody would suddenly stand a very, very good chance of winning. For him to endorse a well known celebrity with a weak history on important issues (abortion, child mutilation, immigration) carries less impact and in a way blunts the force of his endorsement.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 11, 2022 02:05 PM (/EuRN)

132 Not buying into Oz. He's a Lefties lying for gain.

Trump doesn't have a magic wand for picking all the right people.

Posted by: West at April 11, 2022 02:05 PM (QY+6a)

133 Fair and Reciprocal Trade

Secured historic trade deals to defend American workers.

Took strong actions to confront unfair trade practices and put America First.

Historic support for American farmers.

American Energy Independence

Unleashed America,s oil and natural gas potential.

Posted by: kallisto at April 11, 2022 02:05 PM (DJFLF)

134 Oz exemplifies Trump's fascination with bad candidates. A loser who spouts bad policies and whose only virtue is relative fame.

Trump could have ignored this race and not endorsed at all, as he ignores most contests. He didn't need to endorse.

Instead he picked the worst guy. Weird.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at April 11, 2022 02:05 PM (8tNUK)

135 How can I trust Trump after 2020 and his insistence that he be lauded for the vax?

EVERYONE said they wanted a Vax---Trump delivered.
That is turned out to be not that great is not Trump's fault.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 11, 2022 02:05 PM (mR6Gs)

136 There was quite a bit of support for that shit Bolton on this blog before he burned out in office.

Most of us did not understand how many deranged assholes existed in DC that purportedly were on 'our' side.
Posted by: whig at April 11, 2022 02:01 PM (Iq9dF)

This is true.

Posted by: Sponge - FJB at April 11, 2022 02:05 PM (Zz0t1)

137 yeah but we liked him when we were rabid neocons.

Bolton remained a rabid neocon. He was a total non-fit for Trump's version of muscular non-interventionism.

(What a great turn of phrase. You heard it here first.)
Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:03 PM (0G13K)

Were we rabid neocons? I dunno. I liked the idea of trying to export Freedom. Still do, just the methods have changed in my mind.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 11, 2022 02:05 PM (dNqv+)

138 I will still happily vote for Trump over whoever the dems put up. Is he perfect? Absolutely not.

But you DeSantis fans better get ready for disappointment too because if he runs, he'll be caught up in the same deep state trap.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons

Not only that, he'll be bought and paid for by those "bundlers" to his campaign.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 11, 2022 02:05 PM (H4qIP)

139 The chairwoman of the RNC is a Romney. That should tell you something. The whole thing is coo-coo-bananas fucked up.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at April 11, 2022 02:05 PM (Wnd0C)

140 I'll vote for Trump if he's the candidate. But I'm tired of him stepping on his dick, fighting yesterdays war and making vanity picks. I don't want perfection. I do want at least a slight smattering there was intellectual thought on some of his decisions.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 11, 2022 02:05 PM (cFL36)

141 Posted by: Serious Cat at April 11, 2022 02:04 PM (700n7)

Yup.. Like I said Trump's ego was massaged....

Posted by: It's me donna at April 11, 2022 02:05 PM (J8ILO)

142 Sean Parnell's wife has tits the size of her head? AND he used to take her to swingers clubs?!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at April 11, 2022 02:03 PM (XvPQV)

*perks up*

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 11, 2022 02:05 PM (dNqv+)

143 101 84 So who is the conservative with a chance to win the primary in PA that Trump has ignored?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 01:59 PM (ZLI7S)

Why announce an endorsement of ANYONE in this case?

Trump should have just stayed out of this one IMO.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 11, 2022 02:02 PM (oHd/0

I just did a fast search, and apparently David McCormick, the main competitor to the Great and Powerful Oz, has been a Strong Conservative for almost 12 months now.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 11, 2022 02:06 PM (trdmm)

144 Sorry, just want to recall to people's attention that Jeri Ryan has/had really great tits.

They're not great enough to compensate for having launched Obama and Michael onto the national stage though.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2022 02:06 PM (ZGrMX)

145 >>> 84 So who is the conservative with a chance to win the primary in PA that Trump has ignored?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 01:59 PM (ZLI7S)

You and your wacky questions!!!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 11, 2022 02:06 PM (llON8)

146 >>Why announce an endorsement of ANYONE in this case?

>>Trump should have just stayed out of this one IMO.

As I said below what has been obvious since the election ended and Trump started his next series of rallies to promote candidates is that he is promoting the anti-establishment candidate. He hates Mitch with a passion, rightfully so, not just for kneecapping much of his agenda but going full Liz Cheney after Jan 6th.

I don't particular have a dog in the PA Senate race. To tell you the truth none of them are all that inspiring. But I bet a shiny nickel a big reason Trump is doing this is to pick the outsider he thinks he can work with over a Mitch establishment candidate he can't.

I'm a bit tired of hearing about conservative heroes we should support who inevitably knife us in the back. Anyone who wants to disrupt DC has my attention at this point.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 02:06 PM (ZLI7S)

147 83 Oz is a grifter. He seems to lend his name and endorsement to all kinds of quackery - particularly in the "diet industry".

this is a bad call by Trump. Trump's endorsements don't seem to be based on any kind of governing philosophy as they range all over the map, which leads me to agree that his endorsements are based almost entirely on who does the best job kissing up.

Posted by: Mehive
---------------------------
How is that different from the run of the mill grifting GOP senator. At least Oz is grifting from gullible people voluntarily while GOP senators like Collins, Murkowski, and Romney grift with taxpayer dollars.

Posted by: whig at April 11, 2022 02:06 PM (Iq9dF)

148 Celebrity. That is all it is. He would endorse Oprah because she is a terrific fantastic incredible TV show hostess. The best.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 02:06 PM (1Kx8v)

149 Increased access to our country,s abundant natural resources in order to achieve energy independence.

Investing in America,s Workers and Families

Ensured American leadership in technology and innovation.

Preserved American jobs for American workers and rejected the importation of cheap foreign labor.

Posted by: kallisto at April 11, 2022 02:06 PM (DJFLF)

150 Why announce an endorsement of ANYONE in this case?

Trump should have just stayed out of this one IMO.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 11, 2022 02:02 PM (oHd/0)

Because an endorsement costs him nothing but potentially leads to favors owed from another faction he has to negotiate with.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:06 PM (z5Vrg)

151 "But Trump tends to like shit people if he's seen them on TV -- like John Bolton.
Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 01:59 PM (0G13K)"

Sebastian Gorka.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 11, 2022 02:02 PM (cFL36)
.........

Don't take Relief Factor if you're allergic to Relief Factor.

Posted by: wth at April 11, 2022 02:06 PM (v0R5T)

152 "We gotta get this person elected because it's the best we can hope to do in that state".

Let's keep doing this because although this approach has constantly shit the bed every time it's been done for over three decades of my life, it's bound to actually work one day.

Posted by: Azathoth at April 11, 2022 02:07 PM (wb1YC)

153 On Gab, the Epoch Times posted this story a couple of days ago and I did not see a single comment supporting this endorsement.

Posted by: Fool Otto at April 11, 2022 02:07 PM (DB16e)

154
EVERYONE said they wanted a Vax---Trump delivered.
That is turned out to be not that great is not Trump's fault.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 11, 2022 02:05 PM (mR6Gs)

It kinda is. There's no way that shit should've been pushed on the masses so quickly, much less mandated.

Trump KNEW there were therapeutics out there as he was infected and 'cured' in a weekend without a fucking vax.

Now, we're going to have pharma caused heartache and pain for DECADES.

Posted by: Sponge - FJB at April 11, 2022 02:07 PM (Zz0t1)

155 In short, he was good for MOST Americans--black, white, Latino etc.
But the elite does not want what's good for most Americans, and thus, they have been punishing us ever since Trump left office.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 11, 2022 02:04 PM (mR6Gs)

Trump was great for ALL Americans, which is why the left freaked out (and continue to do so) like they did. He showed the country what it could be and it exposed our government for being nothing more than a systematic way to ensure the vast majority of people were kept under thumb.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 11, 2022 02:07 PM (KbCG3)

156
I just did a fast search, and apparently David McCormick, the main competitor to the Great and Powerful Oz, has been a Strong Conservative for almost 12 months now.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 11, 2022 02:06 PM (trdmm)

Parnell would have been a better choice... McCormick is a "new" super Conservative

Posted by: It's me donna at April 11, 2022 02:07 PM (J8ILO)

157 Agree completely. Oz will be just another Romney RINO

Posted by: Happy at April 11, 2022 02:07 PM (N3sxw)

158 118 Unprecedented Economic Boom
Delivered a future of greater promise and opportunity for citizens of all backgrounds. Brought jobs, factories, and industries back to the USA.Hit record stock market numbers and record 401ks.Rebuilding and investing in rural America. Achieved a record-setting economic comeback by rejecting blanket lockdowns.
Posted by: kallisto at April 11, 2022 02:01 PM (DJFLF)

In short, he was good for MOST Americans--black, white, Latino etc. But the elite does not want what's good for most Americans, and thus, they have been punishing us ever since Trump left office.
Posted by: JoeF.

Absolutely. BUT... what I think you're missing is that Trump's winning formula, like the recipes of any great chef, are now out there. Anyone can copy is winning formula (and it would take an idiot or neocon ideologue to not copy them).

Is there a candidate who seems to be copying Trump's winning formula? Yes, there is. If there wasn't I would not be agitating for anyone else.

Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:07 PM (0G13K)

159 EVERYONE said they wanted a Vax---Trump delivered.
That is turned out to be not that great is not Trump's fault.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 11, 2022 02:05 PM (mR6Gs)

Except its not a Vax. So unless Trump was lied to (highly possible) he should have raised the bullshit flag.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 11, 2022 02:07 PM (oHd/0)

160 OT: From Insty:
NO MANDATES: Nearly 300 Service Members Separated From Navy, Marine Corps For Vaccine Refusal. "The Navy has so far separated a total of 763 sailors due to their continued refusal to get vaccinated against COVID-19."

It has been a while since reading comprehension but 'Nearly 300' does not square with 763.

Am I missing something?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 11, 2022 02:07 PM (dNqv+)

161 The choice in PA for the GOP primary is Bush backed establishment candidate McClintock (who is leading in the polls) and Dr. Oz. There is a woman running who is allegedly conservative, but she has no chance.

Trump is fighting the Bush/establishment GOP with this endorsement.

Anyone who doesn't understand that either doesn't understand what is going on in the PA GOP primary *or* wants the Bush establishment pick McClintock to win.

Posted by: Venus at April 11, 2022 02:07 PM (YVBLw)

162 One thing to note, Oz wasn't a conservative but...the left didn't particularly like him before he started getting interested in this run.

We should be able to do better then "someone the left doesn't like" but...its also not nothing.

So back to the other candidates...is there a solid conservative that seems to have both a backbone and a chance of winning?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 11, 2022 02:08 PM (ESjRY)

163 >>>Sebastian Gorka

yes of course him too, though I don't think Gorka was necessarily a bad choice.

Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:08 PM (0G13K)

164 No, Ace, you misunderstand -- Trump's endorsement in this case is a prime example of "keep fucking that chicken". I haven't seen any conservative support of this'un. It's a headscratcher.

Still, with a 97% success rate in endorsements (a number I pulled directly out of my ass), you gotta wonder...

Did he shoot 6 times or was it 5. Well do ya feel lucky punk?

Never bet on the punk.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 11, 2022 02:08 PM (F0YaR)

165 On Gab, the Epoch Times posted this story a couple of days ago and I did not see a single comment supporting this endorsement.

It's equally unpopular on Twitter. Kurt Schlichter, who still thinks Bitch McConnell is great, thinks Trump's lost it on this one.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2022 02:08 PM (ZGrMX)

166 >>> 154
EVERYONE said they wanted a Vax---Trump delivered.
That is turned out to be not that great is not Trump's fault.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 11, 2022 02:05 PM (mR6Gs)

It kinda is. There's no way that shit should've been pushed on the masses so quickly, much less mandated.

Trump KNEW there were therapeutics out there as he was infected and 'cured' in a weekend without a fucking vax.

Now, we're going to have pharma caused heartache and pain for DECADES.
Posted by: Sponge - FJB at April 11, 2022 02:07 PM (Zz0t1)

But *we* are going to be meeting or exceeding our analysts' expectations for decades. Wheeee!

Posted by: Pfizer CEO at April 11, 2022 02:08 PM (llON8)

167
I just did a fast search, and apparently David McCormick, the main competitor to the Great and Powerful Oz, has been a Strong Conservative for almost 12 months now.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 11, 2022 02:06 PM (trdmm)

Is a Strong Conservative better or worse than a Severe Conservative?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:08 PM (z5Vrg)

168 This reeks of the usual 'lesser of two evils' bullshit that led us in the past to Bush, Romney, McCain, Cheney, etc. Enough.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at April 11, 2022 02:08 PM (HmZuC)

169 Anyone figure out who the best Candidate in the Pa Primary is?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 11, 2022 02:08 PM (YboWf)

170 116 Sean Parnell, who got dirty tricked in a manner very similar to the Jeri Ryan situation that gave us Obama.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2022 02:01 PM (ZGrMX)

Sean Parnell's wife has tits the size of her head? AND he used to take her to swingers clubs?!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at April 11, 2022 02:03 PM (XvPQV)
______________________________

There's a reason divorce records are supposed to be sealed. Because everyone knows 90% of what the spouses say about each other are blatant lies. Ask any divorce lawyer. Literally every wife in every contested divorce claims she was abused. Every. Single. One. It's the quickest and easiest way to get huge leverage over the husband, and almost impossible to disprove.

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 11, 2022 02:09 PM (iFTx/)

171 Trump will endorse anyone who kisses his ass. Doesn't matter what they've said in the past or their prior policies. He falls for this every time. Comey, Rosenstein, Fauci, Sessions, Barr - you name it.

Posted by: This is CNN at April 11, 2022 02:09 PM (kibH1)

172 I just did a fast search, and apparently David McCormick, the main competitor to the Great and Powerful Oz, has been a Strong Conservative for almost 12 months now.

Posted by: Tom Servo
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Tom, the approved GOPe tag line is Severe Conservative until actually elected.

Posted by: whig at April 11, 2022 02:09 PM (Iq9dF)

173 Re: Sebastian Gorka

people I know say he gets greeted like a rock star at conservative events, so, I mean, he at least has some popular support

Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:09 PM (0G13K)

174 144 Sorry, just want to recall to people's attention that Jeri Ryan has/had really great tits.

They're not great enough to compensate for having launched Obama and Michael onto the national stage though.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2022 02:06 PM (ZGrMX)

https://tinyurl.com/2krkar5r

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 11, 2022 02:09 PM (dNqv+)

175 This isnt an unforced error. It's playing the best you can with a bad hand. If Trump hadnt endorsed the snake-oil salesman, then we would end up w/ a Dem or a Rep beholden to the GOPe. With the endorsement, there is a chance that oz will vote against McConnell.

So its a case of no chance vs small chance.

Posted by: redchief at April 11, 2022 02:09 PM (+wSPk)

176 a block in Santa Monica has become so violent that the Post Office is no longer deliver mail
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 11, 2022 02:04 PM (dKiJG)

When that happens, I'm all for surrounding the block, and burning it all down with the residents inside.

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at April 11, 2022 02:09 PM (EpDzw)

177
He keeps "endorsing" people who are already ahead. Like he's trying to pad his "endorsement wins record" with sure things.

That's about the size of it, yes.

If by chance Oz should win, and I doubt he will, Oz absolutely will not endorse Trump in '24. But Trump needs to learn this lesson, again, the hard way.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at April 11, 2022 02:09 PM (iXSBz)

178 Trump was a big time abortion supporter until 2016, or at least the first time he publicly stated he opposed it was then, so who knows about Oz. People do change their minds.

How any doctor anywhere can even consider supporting the deliberate murder of a helpless, innocent baby is beyond my comprehension, though. What the actual hell??

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 11, 2022 02:09 PM (KZzsI)

179 Trump should have just stayed out of this one IMO.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 11, 2022 02:02 PM (oHd/0)

Because an endorsement costs him nothing but potentially leads to favors owed from another faction he has to negotiate with.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:06 PM (z5Vrg)

Cost him nothing except some support from his base.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 11, 2022 02:09 PM (oHd/0)

180 Bolton remained a rabid neocon. He was a total non-fit for Trump's version of muscular non-interventionism.

(What a great turn of phrase. You heard it here first.)
Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:03 PM (0G13K)

So you're calling that TRUMP GAINZZZ

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 11, 2022 02:09 PM (BgMrQ)

181 Dr. Oz was an incredible heart surgeon at Columbia. He operated on my mom about 20 years ago.

But he decided that new-age bullshit fake medicine was the way to go, and became a shill for every nutty new idea. I would be deeply suspicious of him as a senator, not only for his stupid fascist ideas, but for his propensity for loony stuff.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2022 02:09 PM (XIJ/X)

182 >>>I just did a fast search, and apparently David McCormick, the main competitor to the Great and Powerful Oz, has been a Strong Conservative for almost 12 months now.

hah. I did not do that research. I'll look into it.

Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:09 PM (0G13K)

183
EVERYONE said they wanted a Vax---Trump delivered.
That is turned out to be not that great is not Trump's fault.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 11, 2022 02:05 PM (mR6Gs)

Yep.

I have friends that are politically to the right of John Birch and they drove an hour and a half out of their way to get the jab when our county did not yet have it.

When my county finally got the shot, there were lines around the block and they were not all Karens.

Posted by: kallisto at April 11, 2022 02:09 PM (DJFLF)

184 Every. Single. One. It's the quickest and easiest way to get huge leverage over the husband, and almost impossible to disprove.

Posted by: Elric Blade
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Second look at Body Cams for life?

Posted by: whig at April 11, 2022 02:09 PM (Iq9dF)

185 I cant believe Trump converted to Oprahism. If I was a betting man, I'd go with him becoming a follower of the Space Pope. But shows what I know....

Posted by: Mishdog at April 11, 2022 02:10 PM (C6hQG)

186 148 Celebrity. That is all it is. He would endorse Oprah because she is a terrific fantastic incredible TV show hostess. The best.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 02:06 PM (1Kx8v)

He apparently said as much in a rally. That Dr Oz was on TV for 18 years, which is like a poll indicating people like him. Stellar reasoning.

Looks like most of us are not pleased.

The majority of Trump supporters are not automatons who blindly follow him. Wasn't he booed at one of his rallies where he was pushing the jab?

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math ~~Queen~~ King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at April 11, 2022 02:10 PM (rF64X)

187 Is Panconservative a thing?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 11, 2022 02:10 PM (KItfg)

188 152 "We gotta get this person elected because it's the best we can hope to do in that state".

Let's keep doing this because although this approach has constantly shit the bed every time it's been done for over three decades of my life, it's bound to actually work one day.

Posted by: Azathoth at April 11, 2022 02:07 PM (wb1YC)

This.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 11, 2022 02:10 PM (dNqv+)

189 Most of us did not understand how many deranged assholes existed in DC that purportedly were on 'our' side.

Posted by: whig at April 11, 2022 02:01 PM (Iq9dF)

Some of us did.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at April 11, 2022 02:10 PM (CQ3Qb)

190 This bullshit has been playing out in the Alabama Senate race to replace Shelby.
Love you, Don, but get a grip.

Posted by: Brother Tim (recovering Cylon) at April 11, 2022 02:10 PM (Nv+9A)

191 These TV guys stick together. Thick as thieves they are.

Posted by: portlandon at April 11, 2022 02:10 PM (+oR7L)

192 Not only could he not fire Dr. Fow Chee, if he had every Covid death would have been laid at his feet.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 11, 2022 01:58 PM (mR6Gs)

And yet, every covid death was laid at his feet.
Posted by: Sponge - FJB at April 11, 2022 02:00 PM (Zz0t1)

They tried, it didn't stick.
If he'd fired Fow Chee--or didn't agree to the "two week" lockdown, he'd have been impeached---and removed.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 11, 2022 02:10 PM (mR6Gs)

193 Instead he picked the worst guy. Weird.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at April 11, 2022 02:05 PM

*******
So you think the Bush backed McClintock is a better pick?

Because the PA primary is only between McClintock and Oz -- no one else has a chance.

Thanks for revealing that you are 100% McConnell approved establishment.

Posted by: Venus at April 11, 2022 02:10 PM (YVBLw)

194 The Cuckshed scribblers have let it be known that they're in love with the Ogre Fetterman.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 11, 2022 02:10 PM (trdmm)

195 But Trump needs to learn this lesson, again, the hard way.

Except apparently he's not actually learning.

If Trump hadnt endorsed the snake-oil salesman, then we would end up w/ a Dem or a Rep beholden to the GOPe.

Yeah but Oz is, at best, GOPe so what's the difference? He's just endorsing a buddy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 11, 2022 02:10 PM (KZzsI)

196 Trump was a better President than I thought he'd be by several orders of magnitude, but he's still a New York liberal (or libertine, at least) at heart. He stepped on a rake here.

Posted by: Rowsdower Continues to Insist Ashli Babbitt is Crispus Attucks and Michael Byrd is Lon Horiuchi at April 11, 2022 02:11 PM (P/ALc)

197 >>> No, Ace, you misunderstand -- Trump's endorsement in this case is a prime example of "keep fucking that chicken". I haven't seen any conservative support of this'un. It's a headscratcher.

oh okay, well, I just got on to the internet at noon, so I'm way behind the buzz.

Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:11 PM (0G13K)

198 >>> 176 a block in Santa Monica has become so violent that the Post Office is no longer deliver mail
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 11, 2022 02:04 PM (dKiJG)

When that happens, I'm all for surrounding the block, and burning it all down with the residents inside.
Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at April 11, 2022 02:09 PM (EpDzw)

Are you talking about Santa Monica or somewhere else?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 11, 2022 02:11 PM (llON8)

199 Oz had already announced and was probably going to win the primary. So, Trump could have endorsed a loser, if it would have made you feel better.

If there was a great conservative candidate waiting in the wings with a chance to beat Oz, I would be pissed, but as it is.. Lemons, Lemonade, some assembly required.

Posted by: tommylotto at April 11, 2022 02:11 PM (CRqTc)

200 a block in Santa Monica has become so violent that the Post Office is no longer deliver mail
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 11, 2022 02:04 PM (dKiJG)

***

Who needs mail when you can't read?

Posted by: Azathoth at April 11, 2022 02:11 PM (wb1YC)

201 152 "We gotta get this person elected because it's the best we can hope to do in that state".

Let's keep doing this because although this approach has constantly shit the bed every time it's been done for over three decades of my life, it's bound to actually work one day.

Posted by: Azathoth at April 11, 2022 02:07 PM (wb1YC)

It's either a new party or this. Trump chose this, and seemingly even most of the people who object to Trump chose this.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:11 PM (z5Vrg)

202 Comment du jour: "FPDT BIGGLY!"

Posted by: JMW Turner at April 11, 2022 02:11 PM (QZ5BX)

203 >>>Mitch McConnell has the Senate stocked with NeverTrump fish

Nice.

Posted by: m at April 11, 2022 02:11 PM (4vwwZ)

204 169 Anyone figure out who the best Candidate in the Pa Primary is?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 11, 2022 02:08 PM (YboWf)

Well, I saw a lawn sign for Doug Mastriano, but I don't even know if he's running. If he is, I'll vote for him.
But he won't win

Posted by: kallisto at April 11, 2022 02:11 PM (DJFLF)

205 >>>So you think the Bush backed McClintock is a better pick?

aren't there a bunch of candidates?

Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:11 PM (0G13K)

206 >Trump KNEW there were therapeutics out there as he was infected and 'cured' in a weekend without a fucking vax.

He talked about HCQ.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 11, 2022 02:11 PM (44ww/)

207 "EVERYONE said they wanted a Vax---Trump delivered.
That is turned out to be not that great is not Trump's fault."

Not everyone, just the fear mongering media. With what's coming out about the vax, he should just shut up NOW. However, he wants every scrap of credit when he should let the left have all the responsibility for 2020 and on. They'll give credit to him when it's most convenient for the left. His ego is blinding his common sense.

He was a decent enough President, but I don't want to see him at the helm again, as I consider him compromised.

Posted by: soulpile at April 11, 2022 02:12 PM (hiX0r)

208 Is Panconservative a thing?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 11, 2022 02:10 PM (KItfg)
++++
Paraconservative == Crypto-leftist?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 11, 2022 02:12 PM (DU+/6)

209 Strong states and nullification need to bring the federal government to heel. Good men in the Oval Office will not get the job done.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 11, 2022 02:02 PM (DU+/6)

Very much this. We should be looking for strong governors and state legislators instead of always looking to the DC shithole.

Focus on state and local. That's where the real power will flourish.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at April 11, 2022 02:12 PM (Qhnrt)

210 I got remonstrances for Trump, but it doesn't change the fact that he was the right vote in 2016 and 2020, and I'm sure he'd be the right pick against any conceivable Democrat in 2024 if it comes to that. If he wins 2024, I'll send him a letter and warn him about the pitfalls to avoid in his second term. He'll appreciate that.

All I know about Oz is: I suspect he's a garden-variety daytime TV quack doctor-talking-head.

Posted by: gp's Electro-Tonic Tension at April 11, 2022 02:12 PM (qpX6U)

211 Here are the candidates for Senate in PA.

Kathy Barnette
Jeff Bartos
George Bochetto
Sean Gale
David McCormick
Mehmet Oz
Carla Sands

I know none them outside of Oz...

Posted by: 18-1 at April 11, 2022 02:12 PM (ESjRY)

212 Maybe PDT is going for a popular medical guy who will effectively throw Fauci under the bus.

Posted by: m at April 11, 2022 02:12 PM (4vwwZ)

213 If Oz has a good chance of winning, then it seems to me that a lot of people could run as a Republican and have a good chance of winning. Throwing in behind Oz just doesn't seem like a good idea. I've never been one to suspect Trump (or anyone) is playing 4-D chess when the more obvious explanation seems to be that it's just a dumb idea. Most of the time, dumb idea turns out to be right.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at April 11, 2022 02:12 PM (YQ4mh)

214 Trump is playing 17-d chess guys. He endorsed Oz because something something something McConnell. How dare you question his genius? It has nothing to do with the fact Oz is on TV.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 02:12 PM (1Kx8v)

215 *peeks in*
Never mind. Back to the B-26K

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 11, 2022 02:12 PM (i4Gw3)

216 Oz is a quack.

Posted by: Archer at April 11, 2022 02:13 PM (gmo/4)

217 At the statewide level Pennsylvania Republicans seem nearly as feckless and useless as Ohio Republicans.

Posted by: Rowsdower Continues to Insist Ashli Babbitt is Crispus Attucks and Michael Byrd is Lon Horiuchi at April 11, 2022 02:13 PM (P/ALc)

218 144 Sorry, just want to recall to people's attention that Jeri Ryan has/had really great tits.

They're not great enough to compensate for having launched Obama and Michael onto the national stage though.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2022 02:06 PM (ZGrMX)

Not her fault. She supported he ex-husband's bid for Senate. But local reporters sued to get the courts to unseal their divorce proceedings.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 11, 2022 02:13 PM (700n7)

219 >>Anyone who doesn't understand that either doesn't understand what is going on in the PA GOP primary *or* wants the Bush establishment pick McClintock to win.

That's kind of my assumption at this point.

If you don't like the lesser of two evils voting then go find better candidates to run. It's not like we have more than A versus B in a primary 90% of the time.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 02:13 PM (ZLI7S)

220 I believe Trump is a populist as much as he's a conservative. If he can stay focused on draining the swamp, he'll be fine.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at April 11, 2022 02:13 PM (Wnd0C)

221 Disappointing. Like Dan Crenshaw and Tulsi Gabbard, Oz was a World Economic Forum "Young Leader" (AKA Klaus "Barbie" Schwab butt-boy).

On the other hand, he's a friend of and has been endorsed by Hannity -- so he's got that going for him!

Posted by: ShainS -- They are Child Predators, not Groomers at April 11, 2022 02:13 PM (BKgw3)

222 184 Every. Single. One. It's the quickest and easiest way to get huge leverage over the husband, and almost impossible to disprove.

Posted by: Elric Blade
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Second look at Body Cams for life?
Posted by: whig at April 11, 2022 02:09 PM (Iq9dF)
________________________________

If I was a husband going through a nasty divorce, I would consider it. I did some matrimonial work as an intern before law school. I didn't last long. The contested divorces are the nastiest, craziest, dirtiest shit-flinging contests of disgust that humans have yet invented. Both husband and wife generally turn into raving lunatics who would cut out their own intestines and strangle the other with it.

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 11, 2022 02:13 PM (iFTx/)

223 >>>I got remonstrances for Trump, but it doesn't change the fact that he was the right vote in 2016 and 2020, and I'm sure he'd be the right pick against any conceivable Democrat in 2024 if it comes to that. If he wins 2024, I'll send him a letter and warn him about the pitfalls to avoid in his second term. He'll appreciate that.

I agree with all of that. I agree that he is far, far better than any possible Democrat.

But: Is he better than any possible Republican? No I don't mean liberal ego-boosters like Chris Christie or the rest of the establishment liberals. I'd pick trump in heartbeat over any of them.

Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:13 PM (0G13K)

224 Trump will endorse anyone who kisses his ass. Doesn't matter what they've said in the past or their prior policies. He falls for this every time. Comey, Rosenstein, Fauci, Sessions, Barr - you name it.
Posted by: This is CNN at April 11, 2022 02:09 PM (kibH1)

This. I was thinking this morning that the Dems could have gotten him to do his bidding if they sucked up to him instead of being rabid hysterics.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math ~~Queen~~ King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at April 11, 2022 02:14 PM (rF64X)

225 Oz is a quack.

Status = True

2020-22 Addendum: Apparently most of the American health care leadership are also quacks.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 11, 2022 02:14 PM (ESjRY)

226 This busty bicycle blonde finds this endorsement baffling:
https://is.gd/7bTPHf

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 11, 2022 02:14 PM (DU+/6)

227 Cost him nothing except some support from his base.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 11, 2022 02:09 PM

*****

LOL no one Trump supporter will chance their support based on an endorsement.

Anyone claiming they would are not Trump's "base" -- just regular GOP establishment hacks concern trolling.

Posted by: Venus at April 11, 2022 02:14 PM (YVBLw)

228 Unprecedented...
Delivered...
Brought jobs...
Rebuilding...
Achieved...

All true. Plus the only serious attempt at immigration control in decades. But it still doesn't obligate me to accept his mistakes (Sessions, Fauci, Mattis,...) or praise him for positions I disagree with (vaccines, red flag laws, etc...). Everything he says or does should be evaluated on its own merits.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 11, 2022 02:14 PM (nfrXX)

229 We are stuck with him, for better or worse.

We either forgive them for 2020, or we ram it down their throats.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 11, 2022 02:14 PM (44ww/)

230 All I can say is it pissed me off.. I have no idea about PA. I live in CA. where my vote never counts

Posted by: It's me donna at April 11, 2022 02:14 PM (J8ILO)

231 To do *their* bidding.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math ~~Queen~~ King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at April 11, 2022 02:14 PM (rF64X)

232 This reeks of the usual 'lesser of two evils' bullshit that led us in the past to Bush, Romney, McCain, Cheney, etc. Enough.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at April 11, 2022 02:08 PM

Yep. Trump should have just stayed out of it. Sometimes he is his own worst enemy. He still needs to learn when to hold or fold. His ego won't allow it.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 11, 2022 02:14 PM (Gpfnk)

233 That is turned out to be not that great is not Trump's fault.

True, but it is his fault that he refuses to even consider that the jab is anything but the best possible thing to ever come out of medicine.

Because the PA primary is only between McClintock and Oz -- no one else has a chance.

The problem is that I don't see a lot of daylight between them, and Trump didn't HAVE to endorse anyone.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 11, 2022 02:14 PM (KZzsI)

234 Quite a few names commenting that I have never seen before. With a common theme.

Interesting.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2022 02:14 PM (5p7BC)

235 214 Trump is playing 17-d chess guys. He endorsed Oz because something something something McConnell. How dare you question his genius? It has nothing to do with the fact Oz is on TV.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 02:12 PM (1Kx8v)

Somehow regular politics becomes derided as 17-d chess theory? Why can't perfectly normal political activity with Trump ever be explained as perfectly normal political activity? There's gotta be some deep psychological motive behind everything.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:14 PM (z5Vrg)

236 Let's keep doing this because although this approach has constantly shit the bed every time it's been done for over three decades of my life, it's bound to actually work one day.

Posted by: Azathoth at April 11, 2022 02:07 PM (wb1YC)

DOUBLE DOWN!

Posted by: Inogame at April 11, 2022 02:14 PM (53oGX)

237
https://tinyurl.com/2krkar5r
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 11, 2022 02:09 PM (dNqv+)

Bitch totally bailed on her cameraman.

Posted by: Sponge - FJB at April 11, 2022 02:14 PM (Zz0t1)

238 >>>Oz had already announced and was probably going to win the primary.

seriously? they all claim this. What does this matter?

He's not even in first place at the moment, he's in second.

But there are other candidates, too.

Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:15 PM (0G13K)

239 I only glimpsed Jeri Ryan once, and I thought "how can the space-lady reach the control console with those bazooms in the way?" Some kind of futuristic tech.

Posted by: gp's Electro-Tonic Tension at April 11, 2022 02:15 PM (qpX6U)

240 215 *peeks in*
Never mind. Back to the B-26K
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 11, 2022 02:12 PM (i4Gw3)

Good plan, the bomber will probably not endorse Joe Biden.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 11, 2022 02:15 PM (dNqv+)

241 All true. Plus the only serious attempt at immigration control in decades. But it still doesn't obligate me to accept his mistakes (Sessions, Fauci, Mattis,...) or praise him for positions I disagree with (vaccines, red flag laws, etc...). Everything he says or does should be evaluated on its own merits.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 11, 2022 02:14 PM (nfrXX

Exactly. Just because we strongly disagree with him in this instance does not mean we suddenly hate him.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math ~~Queen~~ King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at April 11, 2022 02:15 PM (rF64X)

242 Is this in a primary or the general election?

I hate Trump endorsing someone like Oz but I mind less if he's just trying to get a senate win in the general election.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 11, 2022 02:15 PM (z9npv)

243
Is there a candidate who seems to be copying Trump's winning formula? Yes, there is. If there wasn't I would not be agitating for anyone else.

Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:07 PM (0G13K)

Yes but mark me down as scared and aroused. I don't trust *anyone* with an R behind their name. DeSantis makes the right noises and does the right things but like it or not, we've seen it all before.

The thing that was great about Trump was that he WASN'T making "all the right noises" as such and people didn't naturally trust him.

When he criticized Bush for 9/11, it was a smart move tactically, but holy hell did our side take it personally. And I think we know how the Bush story ends.

I am wary of anyone that seems too perfect until further notice. And this idea that he will be Trump but better is lunacy. Trump is flawed but he is a once in a hundred year leader, and he was put through a gauntlet that few if any would survive in tact.

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 02:15 PM (dscaa)

244 It kinda is. There's no way that shit should've been pushed on the masses so quickly, much less mandated.

Trump KNEW there were therapeutics out there as he was infected and 'cured' in a weekend without a fucking vax.

Now, we're going to have pharma caused heartache and pain for DECADES.
Posted by: Sponge - FJB at April 11, 2022 02:07 PM (Zz0t1)

Yep, he pushed them and was still pushing them.

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at April 11, 2022 02:15 PM (EpDzw)

245 "If you like a politician, they'll probably stab everyone in the back. They always do."

Truth. If not stabbing, breaking your heart at the very least.
My list is pretty long by now.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 11, 2022 02:15 PM (jTmQV)

246 226 This busty bicycle blonde finds this endorsement baffling:
https://is.gd/7bTPHf
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 11, 2022 02:14 PM (DU+/6)
__________________________

Heavy heavy filters on that pic. Could be a dude for all we know. LOL.

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 11, 2022 02:15 PM (iFTx/)

247
Now, we're going to have pharma caused heartache and pain for DECADES.

Posted by: Sponge - FJB at April 11, 2022 02:07 PM (Zz0t1)

^^Is it wrong for me to hope it is suffered primarily by the Karen's? A guy at my office said he was wiped out tired all weekend from the booster. Taking the booster voluntarily at this point marks you as a Karen in my book....

Posted by: Iris at April 11, 2022 02:15 PM (DibdT)

248
I like Trump. I also think this endorsement is silly. You can do both things at once.

Also: it doesn't matter. Who gives a flying fuck who does or doesn't get elected in the GOP? Or anywhere? Means as much as as a fart in a hurricane.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 11, 2022 02:15 PM (SKVme)

249 But it still doesn't obligate me to accept his mistakes (Sessions, Fauci, Mattis,...) or praise him for positions I disagree with (vaccines, red flag laws, etc...).

nobody is forcing anyone to accept anyone's mistakes.

I'm just reminding anyone who chooses to read my posts what Trump's achievements were.

If he's guilty of anything, it's of having an overachieving love of his country and its people.

And its promise.

Posted by: kallisto at April 11, 2022 02:16 PM (DJFLF)

250 226 This busty bicycle blonde finds this endorsement baffling:
https://is.gd/7bTPHf
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 11, 2022 02:14 PM (DU+/6)

Like. Want.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at April 11, 2022 02:16 PM (XvPQV)

251 Oz is a quack.

Status = True

2020-22 Addendum: Apparently most of the American health care ~~leadership~~ are also quacks.
Posted by: 18-1

Fixed for accuracy.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 11, 2022 02:16 PM (H4qIP)

252 >>> 239 I only glimpsed Jeri Ryan once, and I thought "how can the space-lady reach the control console with those bazooms in the way?" Some kind of futuristic tech.
Posted by: gp's Electro-Tonic Tension at April 11, 2022 02:15 PM (qpX6U)

All I have to do is repeat what the computer says! I don't have to push any buttons!!

Posted by: Gwen DiMarco at April 11, 2022 02:16 PM (llON8)

253 Rex Tillerson. There's anther great pick. What a disaster that was.

Oh, and I keep hearing about "Bushies". Elaine Chao served Trump's entire presidency. Just sayin.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 11, 2022 02:16 PM (VpIIl)

254 Some kind of futuristic tech.
Posted by: gp's Electro-Tonic Tension at April 11, 2022 02:15 PM (qpX6U)

You know how you could use that stylus with a little nub on the end on some touchscreens?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 11, 2022 02:16 PM (/EuRN)

255 248
I like Trump. I also think this endorsement is silly. You can do both things at once.

Ditto

Posted by: It's me donna at April 11, 2022 02:16 PM (J8ILO)

256 Hmmm... Abbott's border measures *are* starting to be somewhat effective. I can tell because the GOP-e is already whining about how about is causing "Supply Chain Issues" by ordering every truck crossing the border to be inspected for illegals. (if you follow the news you know a LOT come across the border with a couple dozen illegals hidden in back)

So, it they're whining, it must be starting to bite.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 11, 2022 02:16 PM (trdmm)

257 Anyone claiming they would are not Trump's "base" -- just regular GOP establishment hacks concern trolling.
Posted by: Venus at April 11, 2022 02:14 PM (YVBLw)

Yeah, right, uh... I once almost got Banned by Ace, for my Trump support.

Enough unforced errors make people question his judgement... but sure, I'm just a concern troll.. and no doubt a racist and sexist and Russian bot.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 11, 2022 02:16 PM (oHd/0)

258 226 This busty bicycle blonde finds this endorsement baffling:
https://is.gd/7bTPHf
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 11, 2022 02:14 PM (DU+/6)

Something tells me that that bike is a prop.

She rides alright, just not a bike...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 11, 2022 02:17 PM (BgMrQ)

259 224

Absolutely. Trump would have done incredible, amazing terrific deals with the Dems has they wanted to work with him. It was really stupid of the Dems not to realize this.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 02:17 PM (1Kx8v)

260 >>Yep. Trump should have just stayed out of it. Sometimes he is his own worst enemy. He still needs to learn when to hold or fold. His ego won't allow it.

Why should he have stayed out if it? Is there a Republican running for any office in the country not looking for his endorsement?

He's tying to build a movement that is as much against the Republican establishment as the Democrats.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 02:17 PM (ZLI7S)

261 What is the 17th dimension? Redheads?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 11, 2022 02:17 PM (dNqv+)

262 But it still doesn't obligate me to accept his mistakes (Sessions, Fauci, Mattis,...) or praise him for positions I disagree with (vaccines, red flag laws, etc...).

Sessions is a guy I can forgive Trump for...he pretty clearly got blackmailed.

The other ones though? Not so much. And don't forget Milley...

Posted by: 18-1 at April 11, 2022 02:17 PM (ESjRY)

263 I was thinking this morning that the Dems could have gotten him to do his bidding if they sucked up to him instead of being rabid hysterics.

Yep. If they had started out with being friendly, building relationships, talking to him, trying to work with him, they could have easily turned him into Bill Clinton II. He was most of the way there, already at first. It was influence from guys like Bannon, the ridiculously over the top hate and hysteria that the left puked on him, and their constant fighting against him that pushed him to the right, I am absolutely certain of it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 11, 2022 02:17 PM (KZzsI)

264 Don't much care why Trump endorsed Oz as long as Dorothy can get back to Auntie Em.

Posted by: aelfheld at April 11, 2022 02:17 PM (Zy9Yy)

265 It's an own-goal for Trump. A misstep.

I think the grassroots is more likely than not to not back Trump's pick here. Or maybe 50-50 at best.

Trump needs to understand that while he's leading the parade, he isn't the parade. It's not him so much as it's the populist, common-sense policies that are carrying him. I'll still support him but he desperately needs to check his ego. He'd be so much more appealing.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at April 11, 2022 02:17 PM (aXxgO)

266
He's not even in first place at the moment, he's in second.

But there are other candidates, too.
Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:15 PM

Not to mention that if Oz does lose the MFM will jizz all over claiming that Trump is over and done becasue some squish he endorsed lost.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 11, 2022 02:17 PM (Gpfnk)

267 Does Trump at least get some credit and good vibes for endorsing a Muslim for Senate?

No? Why not?

Posted by: JoeF. at April 11, 2022 02:17 PM (mR6Gs)

268 The problem is that I don't see a lot of daylight between them, and Trump didn't HAVE to endorse anyone.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

******

Wrong as wrong can be.

McClintock is a Bush/McConnell endorsed guy. Dr. Oz is not.
This is a fight against Bush/McConnell.

Allowing Bush/McConnell to grow stronger without a fight, even if that means endorsing Dr. Oz, is a horrible, terrible, no good idea.

Posted by: Venus at April 11, 2022 02:17 PM (YVBLw)

269 Trump's instincts haven't aged very well. Apparently neither has he. The connection between Oz and Ophra should have told Trump all he needed to know.

But... celebrity 'n shit.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 11, 2022 02:17 PM (BFigT)

270 I do need to comment on why Trump does need to endorse, even if they aren't the best choices.

For good or bad, there are a lot of Trump voters that are loyal to him only. Without an endorsement, they will not vote in the primary AND they won't vote in the general.

If Trump wants to get Republicans elected in the reddish swing states, he has to endorse someone, otherwise the Dem will win.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2022 02:17 PM (5p7BC)

271 1) Trump is generally awesome

2) Trump does some seriously dumb shit sometimes

I unabashedly hold both of these positions

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 11, 2022 02:18 PM (/EuRN)

272 I am wary of anyone that seems too perfect until further notice. And this idea that he will be Trump but better is lunacy. Trump is flawed but he is a once in a hundred year leader, and he was put through a gauntlet that few if any would survive in tact.
Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 02:15 PM (dscaa)

If you look at many of the other "perfect" candidates though, they were pushed for things like low taxes and facing the teachers unions. When it came to social issues, they were non-entities. DeSantis has entered the culture war fray. In my mind, that gives him a bit more credibility.

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at April 11, 2022 02:18 PM (EpDzw)

273 This busty bicycle blonde finds this endorsement baffling:
https://is.gd/7bTPHf

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 11, 2022 02:14 PM (DU+/6)

Her attire doesn't seem appropriate for a jaunt on a bicycle.

Posted by: Archer at April 11, 2022 02:18 PM (gmo/4)

274 Instead he picked the worst guy. Weird.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at April 11, 2022 02:05 PM

*******
So you think the Bush backed McClintock is a better pick?

Because the PA primary is only between McClintock and Oz -- no one else has a chance.

Thanks for revealing that you are 100% McConnell approved establishment.
Posted by: Venus at April 11, 2022 02:10 PM (YVBLw)
============
Hey dumbass, I literally said in the next sentence Trump should have not endorsed (as he does not for most contests).

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at April 11, 2022 02:18 PM (8tNUK)

275 I posted the list of running candidates above. Does anyone know any of them? Because in all seriousness of a politically aware group like us does not...that's a bad sign.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 11, 2022 02:18 PM (ESjRY)

276 He also must be getting nervous that DeSantis has raised over $100 million. Trump is Going again with the whole "he was At 3% Before I endorsed him" gambit again. Like he's responsible for everything DeSantis did since being elected.
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Trump's attitude toward DeSantis is another unforced error as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at April 11, 2022 02:18 PM (sWM8x)

277 Yes but mark me down as scared and aroused. I don't trust *anyone* with an R behind their name. DeSantis makes the right noises and does the right things but like it or not, we've seen it all before.

I keep hearing people say this, but DeSantis has a record of actually doing things that's better than any Republican this side of Reagan.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2022 02:18 PM (ZGrMX)

278 1) Trump is generally awesome

2) Trump does some seriously dumb shit sometimes

I unabashedly hold both of these positions

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 11, 2022 02:18 PM (/EuRN)

I am with you.

Posted by: Archer at April 11, 2022 02:18 PM (gmo/4)

279 >>>If Trump wants to get Republicans elected in the reddish swing states, he has to endorse someone, otherwise the Dem will win.

This is an interesting point, Dave, but he doesn't have to endorse anyone in the *primary* to avoid a Democrat win.

If Oz won the primary, then yes, endorse him. I would endorse him in that case too.

But why now?

Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:19 PM (0G13K)

280 "But: Is he better than any possible Republican?"

Dunno.

Posted by: gp's Electro-Tonic Tension at April 11, 2022 02:19 PM (qpX6U)

281 If Trump wants to get Republicans elected in the reddish swing states, he has to endorse someone, otherwise the Dem will win.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2022 02:17 PM (5p7BC)

We do hero/vessel worship as much as they do. I think it is a people thing.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 11, 2022 02:19 PM (dNqv+)

282 Cheap date conservatism. That is fucking classic.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at April 11, 2022 02:19 PM (oWBc3)

283 Looks like Liz Cheney is raking in the campaign cash... we're not gonna get rid of her are we ?

Posted by: It's me donna at April 11, 2022 02:19 PM (J8ILO)

284 I'm actually more depressed by the commie redistricting in my state than Trump endorsing Dr. Mehmet

Posted by: kallisto at April 11, 2022 02:19 PM (DJFLF)

285 I don't know shit about PA politics, but what many people want is a proxy - someone who is an agent that is capable of filling the role and solving the "principal - agent" problem that most of us have with the GOPe. As mentioned upthread, the fact that we cannot trust most of the GOP in power points to a serious principal agent problem.
Trump came along with a different paradigm, at a time when the electorate was realigning along urban/suburban/rural lines as opposed to ideological conservative vs liberal lines. Many of us (nationalist, populist, conservatives) would like Trump to act as our general proxy, but when he endorses obvious bullshitters like Oz, it sends a bad message. Political realites may require his endorsement of Oz, but the endorsement risks alienating those of us who would like to pay less attention to politics - we will begin to search for a new agent.
I like Trump, I am entertained by his schtick generally. But when I voted for him (twice), it was to hire him for a job. For most of us, it's not a cult of personality. If we think someone else will be a better agent for our views, we will go with someone else.

Posted by: Milquetoast mortgage-paying neighbor in flyover country at April 11, 2022 02:19 PM (xygD1)

286 Here are the candidates for Senate in PA.

Kathy Barnette
Jeff Bartos
George Bochetto
Sean Gale
David McCormick
Mehmet Oz
Carla Sands

I know none them outside of Oz...

And if Oz hadn't been an Oprah created TV celebrity, you'd have heard of none of them. How would you choose then?

Posted by: Oddbob at April 11, 2022 02:20 PM (nfrXX)

287 The bigger news is that Mitch donated to Liz Cheney. There's a MSM post up that Cheney has set a personal best fundraising record going into her primary. Back to Oz ... let's see how steady he is when the Eye of Sauron turns its gaze upon him. If he melts down, and he is a MSM creation after all, then the fundraising and the base will drop out. At this point, eh.

Posted by: mrp at April 11, 2022 02:20 PM (6eRlp)

288 He's a very bad wizard. And not much of a doctor either.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 11, 2022 02:20 PM (II3Gr)

289 The problem is that I don't see a lot of daylight between them, and Trump didn't HAVE to endorse anyone.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 11, 2022 02:14 PM (KZzsI)

Polls show Oz having very big cross over appeal. Very good favorables among woman. A lot can change with a well funded attack campaign, but has of now I think he should be considered the favorite to win in the general.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 11, 2022 02:20 PM (700n7)

290 Otoh, liberal reality show stars make pretty darn good Republican politicians.

Posted by: 29Victor at April 11, 2022 02:20 PM (BJKQV)

291 If you just throw out all of the politics, and think "what is the one candidate Trump could endorse who would be the biggest F.U. to the GOP?", it would be Oz.

So there's that.

i still don't like it though.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 11, 2022 02:20 PM (/EuRN)

292 "If he's guilty of anything, it's of having an overachieving love of his country and its people.

And its promise.

Posted by: kallisto at April 11, 2022 02:16 PM (DJFLF) "

I don't think there is any argument Trump did a lot. But he could have accomplished much more because of bad choices. If he doesn't pick Sessions, we have a whole different presidency. Ditto some of the other really bad picks based on either celebrity of a grotesque assessment of people's capabilities. I think what bothers me most is he is making some of the same mistakes again, and he's mostly playing the next election like it's a grudge match. It's a lot of "me" and not a lot of "we". I hope he changes, because that's the Achilles Heel and WE can't afford that outcome.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 11, 2022 02:20 PM (VpIIl)

293
Strong states and nullification need to bring the federal government to heel. Good men in the Oval Office will not get the job done.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

There is one more thing that would help. The spoils/patronage system.
The (un)civil service system is so entrenched with faceless bureaucrats who make laws without oversight the president needs to be able to reassign those who thwart him.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 11, 2022 02:20 PM (OCou5)

294 Is there a candidate who seems to be copying Trump's winning formula? Yes, there is. If there wasn't I would not be agitating for anyone else.

Posted by: ace

Does he have FU money? Because if he doesn't, he'll be bought and paid for just like all the rest.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 11, 2022 02:20 PM (H4qIP)

295 >>> 271 1) Trump is generally awesome

2) Trump does some seriously dumb shit sometimes

I unabashedly hold both of these positions
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 11, 2022 02:18 PM (/EuRN)

YES!

Also,

3) I'm so tired of the phrase "unforced error". What is a "forced error"? Is it better than one that is *un* forced?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 11, 2022 02:20 PM (llON8)

296 He's not even in first place at the moment, he's in second.

But there are other candidates, too.
Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:15 PM

*****

McClintock, the Bush/McConnell guy is in first place. Dr. Oz is the only one who has a chance to knock McClintock out in the primary.

There can be 1000 other people running but the race is between McClintock and Dr. Oz.

Seems a lot of people here think it is better to let the Bush/McConnell wing of the party grow stronger by letting McClintock walk away with the win.

Posted by: Venus at April 11, 2022 02:20 PM (YVBLw)

297 off topic, just a note that zero hedge is reporting that antifa is (sort of) rioting in a few French cities. They didn't like the presidential election results there.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at April 11, 2022 02:21 PM (Ynyl9)

298 Who's McClintock? Are you referring to McCormick?

This freaking state badly needs a course correction. We don't need a vanity candidate or another Mitt Romney. John Fetterman would be a nightmare.

#NoOz.

Posted by: jeannebodine at April 11, 2022 02:21 PM (QWHnR)

299 Trump should come out and say, "Yeah, I know this guy Oz, is a Putz; but he's less of a Putz than the guy with a D after his name."

I'd feel better...

Posted by: Archer at April 11, 2022 02:21 PM (gmo/4)

300 Slot me in with the Pro-Trump (and pro-Desantis) camp who also dislikes Dr. Oz on almost every level.

Oz is just doing this to get richer.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at April 11, 2022 02:21 PM (XvPQV)

301 Trump is like the girl trying to break up with you, "it's not you, it's me." DeSantis 2024

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at April 11, 2022 02:21 PM (oWBc3)

302 "Well, I saw a lawn sign for Doug Mastriano, but I don't even know if he's running. If he is, I'll vote for him.
But he won't win
Posted by: kallisto"
*******
I saw a sign for Mastrano too and didn't even know he was in it.

Posted by: Cosda at April 11, 2022 02:21 PM (6BrlY)

303 Trump KNEW there were therapeutics out there as he was infected and 'cured' in a weekend without a fucking vax.

He talked about HCQ.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 11, 2022 02:11 PM (44ww/)

And look what happened

Posted by: JoeF. at April 11, 2022 02:21 PM (mR6Gs)

304 Posted by: Archer at April 11, 2022 02:18 PM (gmo/4)

You're correct. Because, of course it's a photo op to show off her bust and the fact that she's an attractive woman. Probably never raced competitively or even particularly strenuously in her life except to race to the camera.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2022 02:21 PM (fF2aM)

305 Lots of assrape in Oz.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 11, 2022 02:21 PM (II3Gr)

306 Kris Kobach was the guy Coulter loved for overseeing border issues. She (imo) started going after Trump when he kept refusing to insert real fighters on the border, instead constantly putting in (previous) open border goofs .. time after time.

Maybe the inside baseball would reveal Trump was trading bad picks for other deals (he did accomplish some things) ... or maybe he was being pushed by other forces. Hard to believe he just made "bad decisions" so consistently. Perhaps he was sabotaged and/or blackmailed ... certainly FBI was at war with POTUS Trump, and his family. (and he had liberal Ivanka in his ear constantly, no doubt)

Posted by: illiniwek at April 11, 2022 02:21 PM (Cus5s)

307 It was really stupid of the Dems not to realize this.
-----------------
The crazy Dems are all in on Reset. The old Dems can't stop them. Midterms will give GOP majorities in both houses and they will impeach Biden. Kamala will serve two years as a castrated president. The Dem party is eating themselves.

Posted by: Puddinhead at April 11, 2022 02:21 PM (yRved)

308 And if Oz hadn't been an Oprah created TV celebrity, you'd have heard of none of them. How would you choose then?

My hope is someone is going to pop up and say "Oh hey that Joe Smith guy? He led this great conservative movement that did this great thing! " or "that Sally Jones? She runs a local company that has been around forever and told Joe Biden to fuck himself when he came to her office for a campaign spot"

Posted by: 18-1 at April 11, 2022 02:21 PM (ESjRY)

309 Does Trump at least get some credit and good vibes for endorsing a Muslim for Senate?

Being endorsed by Trump makes someone instantly white.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2022 02:21 PM (ZGrMX)

310 Liz is cashing in. She did her job.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 11, 2022 02:21 PM (drs6R)

311
But why now?
Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:19 PM (0G13K)

It has more currency if the guy's political career is more theoretically dependent on you.

Trump knows narratives blow over quickly so he's always been one to treat things that he says as a way to get free returns. This is also part of the reason why most of us were skeptical about him, he didn't really sound right or consistent about anything. But it turns out he actually delivers for us which is the important thing.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:21 PM (z5Vrg)

312 Didn't Mehmet Oz try to kill the Pope in 1980?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 11, 2022 02:22 PM (cGJ0D)

313 I keep hearing people say this, but DeSantis has a record of actually doing things that's better than any Republican this side of Reagan.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2022 02:18 PM (ZGrMX)

I've heard the record before. I was a big Scott Walker guy. Sometimes the guy crumbles, sometimes they become compromised, sometimes the spotlight grows too big, sometimes they had a good lane and should have stuck to it, sometimes they were lying scumbag shit all along but really good at fooling people.

He's a politician. He has an (R) behind his name. That puts him well behind the 8-ball as far as I'm concerned. I won't get fooled again.

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 02:22 PM (dscaa)

314 140 I'll vote for Trump if he's the candidate. But I'm tired of him stepping on his dick, fighting yesterdays war and making vanity picks. I don't want perfection. I do want at least a slight smattering there was intellectual thought on some of his decisions.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 11, 2022 02:05 PM (cFL36)

What we get instead is that it is just so brilliant, we are too stupid to understand it.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at April 11, 2022 02:22 PM (YQ4mh)

315 If after 4 years DeSantis still hasnt impressed you then nothing ever will.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 02:22 PM (1Kx8v)

316 "But why now?

Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:19 PM (0G13K) "

"Because I have a 33 win record in Texas? Did you see that? everything I touch turns to gold."

Posted by: Marcus T at April 11, 2022 02:22 PM (VpIIl)

317 'What is a "forced error"?'

Kinda like athletes shaving points?

Posted by: gp's Electro-Tonic Tension at April 11, 2022 02:22 PM (qpX6U)

318 >>>3) I'm so tired of the phrase "unforced error". What is a "forced error"? Is it better than one that is *un* forced?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 11, 2022 02:20 PM (llON

Not as fun.

Posted by: Jennifer Capriati at April 11, 2022 02:22 PM (QYPq3)

319 I REALLY do not want a politician who "copies Trump's formula" since that person is most likely doing it because he sees a path to electoral victory. (just like bush/rove and their evangelical mask.)

I want someone who has conservative instincts and has an ego so big that he is untouchable by the glory of making the swamp happy. To me, even Desantis is an unknown quantity once he is in the big office.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at April 11, 2022 02:22 PM (l/goJ)

320 He's a politician. He has an (R) behind his name. That puts him well behind the 8-ball as far as I'm concerned. I won't get fooled again.
Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 02:22 PM (dscaa)

YEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 11, 2022 02:22 PM (II3Gr)

321 Sessions is a guy I can forgive Trump for...he pretty clearly got blackmailed.

I don't know where on earth you get that from. Sessions was one of the first politicians in the country to endorse and back Trump's presidential run, very early on. He is a very experienced and skilled attorney general, and was very qualified for the job. Why would Trump NOT pick him? Nobody on earth expected the guy to just ignore the biggest problems in the DOJ and government.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 11, 2022 02:22 PM (KZzsI)

322 John Fetterman would be a nightmare.

First I make you get the shot...then I eat your kids!

Posted by: John Fetterman's 2022 Campaign Slogan at April 11, 2022 02:23 PM (ESjRY)

323 off topic, just a note that zero hedge is reporting that antifa is (sort of) rioting in a few French cities. They didn't like the presidential election results there.

Given Antifa in the US are weak soy boys, I can't even imagine how hilarious French Antifa is.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2022 02:23 PM (ZGrMX)

324 Oz had already announced and was probably going to win the primary. So, Trump could have endorsed a loser, if it would have made you feel better.

If there was a great conservative candidate waiting in the wings with a chance to beat Oz, I would be pissed, but as it is.. Lemons, Lemonade, some assembly required.

Posted by: tommylotto at April 11, 2022 02:11 PM (CRqTc)

Actually, and I may be wrong, but Oz was considering dropping out of the race due to poor polling a couple of weeks ago.

I read that shit somewhere. Here's a grain of salt if you doubt me. You're gonna need a bigger forklift though.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 11, 2022 02:23 PM (F0YaR)

325 This endorsement sucks Michelle Obama's balls. Full stop.

Posted by: Biden Stercore in eius braccae at April 11, 2022 02:23 PM (0hHNz)

326 New footage claims to show Russian tanks being picked off in Ukrainian ambush: Armoured vehicles explode 'as convoy moves through Donbas region'

.. dumbasses in the Donbas

Posted by: SMOD at April 11, 2022 02:23 PM (RHGPo)

327
I don't know where on earth you get that from. Sessions was one of the first politicians in the country to endorse and back Trump's presidential run

And then Sessions immediately and totally caved on the Russia hoax and slunk off in disgrace.

Which is what someone blackmailed would do...no?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 11, 2022 02:24 PM (ESjRY)

328 I've never thought Trump's endorsements were stellar.

This one is sufficient awful that I'd as soon lose the race to Dems than have Oz as the Collins of PA.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 11, 2022 02:24 PM (ppBhU)

329 What is a "forced error"? Is it better than one that is *un* forced?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 11, 2022 02:20 PM (llON

A "forced error" would be having no good moves. Though arguably then it shouldn't be considered an error. This happens more often then people tend to think, it's more popular to pretend some alternative course would've turned out better or great.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:24 PM (z5Vrg)

330 3) I'm so tired of the phrase "unforced error". What is a "forced error"? Is it better than one that is *un* forced?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 11, 2022 02:20 PM (llON

++++
An unforced error is you fucking up of your own volition. For example, this endorsement.

A forced error is when you fuck up due to external factors removing other options. For example, the COVID response.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 11, 2022 02:24 PM (DU+/6)

331 I don't think there is any argument Trump did a lot. But he could have accomplished much more because of bad choices. If he doesn't pick Sessions, we have a whole different presidency. Ditto some of the other really bad picks based on either celebrity of a grotesque assessment of people's capabilities. I think what bothers me most is he is making some of the same mistakes again, and he's mostly playing the next election like it's a grudge match. It's a lot of "me" and not a lot of "we". I hope he changes, because that's the Achilles Heel and WE can't afford that outcome.
Posted by: Marcus T

***

If he didn't have Ryan as Speaker of the House or McConnell as leader of the Senate there wouldn't have been a Mueller investigation for Session to 'recuse" from.

Stop pretending there were a huge amount of people for Trump to pick from who weren't compromised by DC swamp.

Posted by: Venus at April 11, 2022 02:24 PM (YVBLw)

332 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 11, 2022 02:22 PM (cGJ0D)

Sam first name. Different last name. That was Mehmet Ali Agca.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2022 02:24 PM (fF2aM)

333 326 New footage claims to show Russian tanks being picked off in Ukrainian ambush: Armoured vehicles explode 'as convoy moves through Donbas region'

I don't believe any of it from either side

Posted by: It's me donna at April 11, 2022 02:24 PM (J8ILO)

334
DeSantis may be the real deal. Maybe not.

But, again... it doesn't matter. Trump was the real deal. You all saw what happened with that. Bupkis.

DeSantis should stay in Florida, where he can achieve things. The federal government is pointless. Elected officials in FedGov are nothing but window dressing.

Does it matter whether a liberal like Oz goes to DC and mouths the words of his masters, or if a conservative like DeSantis goes and screams impotently into the void?

SPOILER ALERT: It doesn't matter. None of this matters.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 11, 2022 02:24 PM (SKVme)

335 I keep hearing people say this, but DeSantis has a record of actually doing things that's better than any Republican this side of Reagan.

Posted by: Ian S.

Actually doing things with a legislature that likes him. How is he when they don't?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 11, 2022 02:25 PM (H4qIP)

336
Given Antifa in the US are weak soy boys, I can't even imagine how hilarious French Antifa is.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2022 02:23 PM (ZGrMX)

Back during the French yute riots when they changed the "can't be fired from your job" age, someone posted a video of them running around and setting cars on fire. It was backed with some French rap music.

It sounded incredibly faggy.

Posted by: Sponge - FJB at April 11, 2022 02:25 PM (Zz0t1)

337 But why now?

Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:19 PM (0G13K)

I'll play (but just to play). If Trump projects that Oz is going to win and wants to be an "early adopter" to curry favor for when he's back in office, it's not the worst move in the world.

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 02:25 PM (dscaa)

338 She (imo) started going after Trump when he kept refusing to insert real fighters on the border, instead constantly putting in (previous) open border goofs .. time after time.

She went after Trump on the border, because she figured that would get her ink and attention and money.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 11, 2022 02:25 PM (KZzsI)

339 RE: Oz:

I usually take "RINO!" accusations with a dozen grains of salt, but not in this instance.

Several other Trump-endorsed candidates have crashed and burned this cycle, or are trailing in the polls.

We'll have to wait and see whether his Oz endorsement is a big factor.

Posted by: mnw at April 11, 2022 02:25 PM (NLIak)

340 Posted by: Archer at April 11, 2022 02:18 PM (gmo/4)

You're correct. Because, of course it's a photo op to show off her bust and the fact that she's an attractive woman. Probably never raced competitively or even particularly strenuously in her life except to race to the camera.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2022 02:21 PM (fF2aM)

I bet she is strenuous in bed. Or buying shoes using her boyfriend's cc.

Posted by: Archer at April 11, 2022 02:25 PM (gmo/4)

341 Seems a lot of people here think it is better to let the Bush/McConnell wing of the party grow stronger by letting McClintock walk away with the win.

Posted by: Venus at April 11, 2022 02:20 PM (YVBLw)

Maybe you should make your point without taking shots at "a lot of people here."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2022 02:25 PM (XIJ/X)

342 297 off topic, just a note that zero hedge is reporting that antifa is (sort of) rioting in a few French cities. They didn't like the presidential election results there.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at April 11, 2022 02:21 PM (Ynyl9)

Here's the link:

https://tinyurl.com/464mas9j

Posted by: m at April 11, 2022 02:25 PM (4vwwZ)

343 Given Antifa in the US are weak soy boys, I can't even imagine how hilarious French Antifa is.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2022 02:23 PM (ZGrMX)

Antifa itself doesn't need to be formidable, riots pick up a lot of malcontents that make up the main body. And France has riots of that nature regularly, so there's plenty of fodder.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:25 PM (z5Vrg)

344 I like Trump. I also think this endorsement is silly. You can do both things at once.

Also: it doesn't matter. Who gives a flying fuck who does or doesn't get elected in the GOP? Or anywhere? Means as much as as a fart in a hurricane.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 11, 2022 02:15 PM (SKVme)

This x1000

Posted by: Dr. T at April 11, 2022 02:25 PM (bhRsz)

345 SPOILER ALERT: It doesn't matter. None of this matters.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 11, 2022 02:24 PM (SKVme)

Embrace the nihilism! Embrace it!

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 11, 2022 02:25 PM (II3Gr)

346 299 Trump should come out and say, "Yeah, I know this guy Oz, is a Putz; but he's less of a Putz than the guy with a D after his name."

I'd feel better...

Posted by: Archer at April 11, 2022 02:21 PM (gmo/4)

Lesser of two evils doesn't cut it with me anymore.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 11, 2022 02:26 PM (s2VJv)

347 The crazy Dems are all in on Reset. The old Dems can't stop them. Midterms will give GOP majorities in both houses and they will impeach Biden. Kamala will serve two years as a castrated president. The Dem party is eating themselves.
Posted by: Puddinhead at April 11, 2022 02:21 PM (yRved)

You are right about everything except that the Repubs WON'T impeach Biden

Posted by: JoeF. at April 11, 2022 02:26 PM (mR6Gs)

348 342 297 off topic, just a note that zero hedge is reporting that antifa is (sort of) rioting in a few French cities. They didn't like the presidential election results there.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at April 11, 2022 02:21 PM (Ynyl9)

Here's the link:

https://tinyurl.com/464mas9j
Posted by: m at April 11, 2022 02:25 PM (4vwwZ)

It's by Paul Joseph Watson.

Posted by: m at April 11, 2022 02:26 PM (4vwwZ)

349 The crazy Dems are all in on Reset. The old Dems can't stop them. Midterms will give GOP majorities in both houses and they will impeach Biden. Kamala will serve two years as a castrated president. The Dem party is eating themselves.
Posted by: Puddinhead at April 11, 2022 02:21 PM (yRved)

My read is the opposite.... it's the Old Dems who are all in on Reset. The crazy Dems are just trying to get theirs in the chaos like spastic little aquatic creatures feeding off the debris of marine megafauna.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 11, 2022 02:26 PM (/EuRN)

350 Granted, the 2024 election is eons away in political years, but for the sake of argument let's say the candidate is either Trump or DeSantis.

I really don't think it matters.

If the states make it near impossible or impossible to cheat, we win comfortably. If they allow cheating, we lose comfortably.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at April 11, 2022 02:26 PM (khAeP)

351 YEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 11, 2022 02:22 PM (II3Gr)

I was hoping someone would smack that one off the tee.

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 02:26 PM (dscaa)

352 Sam first name. Different last name. That was Mehmet Ali Agca.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2022 02:24 PM (fF2aM)

That's him! Mehmet Ali Agca. Is he still alive? Maybe he should run for office...

Thanks FenelonSpoke!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 11, 2022 02:26 PM (cGJ0D)

353 But if anyone ever questions Trump, you're basically Liz Cheney and Jeb Bush's bastard spawn.

Posted by: Hylian at April 11, 2022 02:27 PM (YsTC1)

354 "Stop pretending there were a huge amount of people for Trump to pick from who weren't compromised by DC swamp. "

Stop pretending Trump didn't make terrible picks based on extraordinarily bad judgment. It's weird how he found a lot of good picks second time around...

Posted by: Marcus T at April 11, 2022 02:27 PM (VpIIl)

355 Back during the French yute riots when they changed the "can't be fired from your job" age, someone posted a video of them running around and setting cars on fire. It was backed with some French rap music.

It sounded incredibly faggy.

So like a Vespa parade?

Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2022 02:27 PM (ZGrMX)

356 Means as much as as a fart in a hurricane.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 11, 2022 02:15 PM (SKVme)

When you're all trapped inside sheltering from the hurricane and the power is off, a fart can linger for a long time.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 11, 2022 02:27 PM (Y5qcH)

357 >>> 333 326 New footage claims to show Russian tanks being picked off in Ukrainian ambush: Armoured vehicles explode 'as convoy moves through Donbas region'

I don't believe any of it from either side
Posted by: It's me donna at April 11, 2022 02:24 PM (J8ILO)

I've seen comments various places that Ukraine is further along the WEF-track with vaxx reqs, digital currency and such than most places.... and the same about Russia!Russia!Russia! So, why should I support either one?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 11, 2022 02:27 PM (llON8)

358 >>Which is what someone blackmailed would do...no?

He wasn't blackmailed. He followed the law and DOJ policy.

The problem is we now live in a time where the left does neither. It's tough being the good, law abiding party when the other side is completely corrupt.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 02:27 PM (ZLI7S)

359 Actually doing things with a legislature that likes him. How is he when they don't?
Posted by: rickb223 at April 11, 2022 02:25 PM (H4qIP)

Realistically, how is any politician going to perform when the legislature is against them?

Anyone from outside of the uniparty will face a nearly impossible battle.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 11, 2022 02:27 PM (KbCG3)

360 If the states make it near impossible or impossible to cheat, we win comfortably. If they allow cheating, we lose comfortably.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at April 11, 2022 02:26 PM (khAeP)

That's pretty much where things are at. Though it wouldn't need to be all of the states. Could be tight if some get sorted out and others don't.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:28 PM (z5Vrg)

361 Trump was the real deal. You all saw what happened with that. Bupkis.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 11, 2022 02:24 PM (SKVme)

No, Trump was not the real deal. The real deal would have been someone who had better political instincts and could play the D.C. game. Trump was woefully unprepared for that and didn't get appreciably better.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2022 02:28 PM (XIJ/X)

362 My read is the opposite.... it's the Old Dems who are all in on Reset. The crazy Dems are just trying to get theirs in the chaos like spastic little aquatic creatures feeding off the debris of marine megafauna.

The old dems are in on Reset, because it's the greatest graft opportunity of all time. The Squad are true believers in Communism, but probably can be bought.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2022 02:28 PM (ZGrMX)

363 New footage claims to show Russian tanks being picked off in Ukrainian ambush: Armoured vehicles explode 'as convoy moves through Donbas region'

I don't believe any of it from either side
Posted by: It's me donna at April 11, 2022 02:24 PM (J8ILO)

Bingo.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at April 11, 2022 02:28 PM (AiZBA)

364 DeSantis should stay in Florida, where he can achieve things. The federal government is pointless. Elected officials in FedGov are nothing but window dressing.

I agree, completely and with great emotion and passion. PLEASE do not run for president DeSantis, you'll just be ruined and lose. And even if by some act of God you win, you'll be as powerless and destroyed as Trump. Its a waste of time.

Which is what someone blackmailed would do...no?

Ah, I thought based on the wording that you meant TRUMP was being blackmailed. I can think of a lot of other reasons why Sessions would not act on the corruption and recuse himself from the Trump investigation, but sure, blackmail isn't impossible.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 11, 2022 02:28 PM (KZzsI)

365 Michael Walsh makes pretty much the same mistake that liberals and NTs do - they all make it about Trump. I like Walsh but Trump isn't someone that Americans cultishly and unthinkably love like he unthinkably hates, he's just a vehicle to address what Americans want.

His suggesting that the 2020 election mess only means that Trump gets to whine 'he wuz robbed' completely misses the point - it was the American people who were the ones that "wuz robbed." It could have been Trump or it could have been DeSantis or it could be Joey Ishcabibble - who cares?

Posted by: Boswell at April 11, 2022 02:28 PM (5iUNf)

366 Word on the street a few weeks ago (I forget where; google it, I guess) is that this Oprah guest's inroads to Trump is that Melania likes him.

As his primary opponents have pointed out, there's no real evidence that Oz was even pro-Trump *in 2020* except that he was on a White House council. On the few controversies where he had spoken out, it was in support of the liberal position (before 10 minutes ago, of course).

Posted by: Haruspex at April 11, 2022 02:28 PM (JHRJs)

367 I do need to comment on why Trump does need to endorse, even if they aren't the best choices.

For good or bad, there are a lot of Trump voters that are loyal to him only. Without an endorsement, they will not vote in the primary AND they won't vote in the general.

If Trump wants to get Republicans elected in the reddish swing states, he has to endorse someone, otherwise the Dem will win.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2022 02:17 PM (5p7BC)

We really don't need cult of personality folks voting in primaries, so he could have waited till the general.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math ~~Queen~~ King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at April 11, 2022 02:28 PM (rF64X)

368 Donald Trump, I rebuke thee!

Still the greatest President in the history of the Planet of the Earth.

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2022 02:28 PM (0IeYL)

369 Like Iran v Iraq, I hope both Russia and Ukistan lose this war.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 02:28 PM (1Kx8v)

370 359 Actually doing things with a legislature that likes him. How is he when they don't?
Posted by: rickb223 at April 11, 2022 02:25 PM (H4qIP)

Realistically, how is any politician going to perform when the legislature is against them?

Anyone from outside of the uniparty will face a nearly impossible battle.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 11, 2022 02:27 PM (KbCG3)

Which is why the presidency is ultimately limited in its ability to achieve our aims outside of foreign policy and waging a war on the bureaucracy (and the latter would still be far better with the legislature).

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:28 PM (z5Vrg)

371 I've seen comments various places that Ukraine is further along the WEF-track with vaxx reqs, digital currency and such than most places.... and the same about Russia!Russia!Russia! So, why should I support either one?

WEF and Soros have stated that Putin and Xi must go, for what that's worth.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2022 02:29 PM (ZGrMX)

372 He also must be getting nervous that DeSantis has raised over $100 million. Trump is Going again with the whole "he was At 3% Before I endorsed him" gambit again. Like he's responsible for everything DeSantis did since being elected.
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It's gamesmanship. A "high ground maneuver". This is how Trump operates. Essentially like a lefty except without the team of advisors because it's naturally in him.

Except he generally is doing it for us which makes it fun. If he has to compete with the guy he's going to compete. No one would expect anything less from anyone else.

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 02:29 PM (dscaa)

373 "Cheap Date Conservatism" . . . .

I like cheap dates

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 11, 2022 02:29 PM (iFTx/)

374 Somebody should pose material questions about Oz's anti Second Amendment stances to Trump, and some of the other garbage. But they won't. As much as we accuse the MSM of tanking for Democrats, Snoozemax and the like also act as fanbois. Ditto people like that fathead Hannity who tells us how much he supports the Second Amendment, and then never brings it up with Oz.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 11, 2022 02:30 PM (VpIIl)

375 As an ozzie, I can reliably inform you that Dr Oz is an impostor.

Posted by: vacuum energy at April 11, 2022 02:30 PM (vcv8B)

376 2024 is gonna be lit AF here if Trump runs.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 02:30 PM (1Kx8v)

377 DeSantis fan boys are in for a rude awakening.

DeSantis is Bobby Jindal 2.0 -- a fine governor with an R legislature but can't win a national election. He has zero charisma. Pretending that doesn't matter just shows how you have learned nothing since the Age of Obama

DeSantis would have lost Florida to the crackhead Gillum without Trump. He would be lucky to do Romney's numbers in a national election (or maybe McCain's once the MSM is done focusing on him 24/7 for a year, year and a half).

Trump, otoh, got 74 million+ legit votes despite 5 years of 24/7 negative coverage and COVID. And he did it with the most diverse coalition of any GOP candidate ever. You think DeSantis can do better? lolgf Fantasyland.

You better get on your knees and pray Trump runs in 2024.

Posted by: Venus at April 11, 2022 02:30 PM (YVBLw)

378 >>>DeSantis should stay in Florida, where he can achieve things. The federal government is pointless. Elected officials in FedGov are nothing but window dressing.

Maybe. But there's no doubt that the feds have the power to make any state's life a living hell if it steps too far out of line.

I'm not saying DeSantis shouldn't stay in Florida, but I think we do need a serious conversation about whether or not DC is still a prize worth vying for. Because there are strong arguments both ways.

Posted by: Dr. T at April 11, 2022 02:30 PM (bhRsz)

379 Anybody got a non types-deletes plan to clear the deadwood all at once?

Or at least a comically non-threatening one.

Posted by: DaveA at April 11, 2022 02:30 PM (FhXTo)

380 The frantic backpedaling and retconning is sad and wholly unnecessary.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 11, 2022 02:31 PM (II3Gr)

381 Oz isnt ahead in the polls, he trails a hedge fund guy from Massachusetts by 10-12 points. McCormick looks like a Romney clone.

I dont see either McCormick or Oz turning out the base. So both probably lose in the general. Which is fine. Better D than Rino.

Posted by: Dusky Pissflaps at April 11, 2022 02:31 PM (YTBIQ)

382 No, Trump was not the real deal. The real deal would have been someone who had better political instincts and could play the D.C. game. Trump was woefully unprepared for that and didn't get appreciably better.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2022 02:28 PM (XIJ/X)

Let's see if "your guy" makes it through even a tenth of the race, eh?

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 02:31 PM (dscaa)

383 He has zero charisma.

What a weird view of Desantis.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 11, 2022 02:31 PM (ppBhU)

384 My read is the opposite.... it's the Old Dems who are all in on Reset. The crazy Dems are just trying to get theirs in the chaos like spastic little aquatic creatures feeding off the debris of marine megafauna.
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The old Dems can't intimidate their donors cuz the donors gave their money to the crazies. Old Dems are dead Dems. So, going forward Dems are Hard Left with no elders or moderates. This sounds scary but it will create a real majority center that is nationalistic - not globalist. That is representative not totalitarian. And if smart, will shrink the Fed and shift things back to the states.

Posted by: Puddinhead at April 11, 2022 02:31 PM (yRved)

385 I lurk and rarely comment but now I feel I must be openly ignored:

In 2016 I went to vote for Dawn Buckingham as TX State Senator and I had a choice between Hillary! and Trump, so I voted for Trump (he reminded me of the All Time Great, Tony Clifton).

It was an easy decision but don't underestimate my decisiveness. I hit that Trump switch with a force that split the sky.

However, I never actually liked The Donald. He's a dick and if we ever met in person we wouldn't get along because I would point out the numerous ways in which he is, in fact, a dick. And, to be fair, he would point out to me , in excruciating detail, the various, glaringly obvious and numerous ways in which I was a loser for not being Donald Trump.

All of this is to point out that The Donald is at the forefront of being a "starf**ker" and Trump endorsing Oz makes complete sense to me and Donald Trump.

Posted by: Skunky Choom at April 11, 2022 02:31 PM (ctqJO)

386 Speaking of Russia, there are reports today that Sweden and Finland might be rolled into NATO as early as June.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at April 11, 2022 02:31 PM (sWM8x)

387 Carla Sands has been claiming to be the trump approved candidate

Without actually having his endorsement

So thats the why now.

And what Dave in Fla said is correct. We need an R candidate here who will win vs the Dem .. god forbid its Fetterman!

I am still registered D so best I can actually do is vote for lamb who is at least not a serial killer

Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 11, 2022 02:31 PM (5AbMC)

388 374

Never forget Hannity is simply an actor. His script is big time angry conservative guy. His script could easily be big time a shy liberal guy and he would do as well.

Tucker is BFF with Hunter Biden after all. Another actor reading a script on Fox.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 02:32 PM (1Kx8v)

389 DeSantis has zero charisma? LOL, OK.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 11, 2022 02:32 PM (II3Gr)

390 I had no idea that Ozzy Osbourne was running for Senate. Awesome! [Makes Dio Horns]

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 11, 2022 02:32 PM (iFTx/)

391 383 He has zero charisma.

What a weird view of Desantis.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 11, 2022 02:31 PM (ppBhU)

Telling.

Posted by: m at April 11, 2022 02:32 PM (4vwwZ)

392 Trump is a terrible judge of character. Whether it's directly or the people are advising him on others.

Either way, he is horrible with it, and it's why I would rather he not run again.

Posted by: Tommy V at April 11, 2022 02:32 PM (GCivW)

393 Maybe. But there's no doubt that the feds have the power to make any state's life a living hell if it steps too far out of line.

I'm not saying DeSantis shouldn't stay in Florida, but I think we do need a serious conversation about whether or not DC is still a prize worth vying for. Because there are strong arguments both ways.
Posted by: Dr. T at April 11, 2022 02:30 PM (bhRsz)

And the President can't even fire bureaucrats. How insane is that? 90% of the reason to stick Trump in DC is to screw with the left and encourage further weakening of the federal government's hold as a consequence.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:32 PM (z5Vrg)

394 Hey Rocky! Watch me pick off a few Russian tanks!

- Bullwinkle the Uke

Posted by: Archer at April 11, 2022 02:32 PM (gmo/4)

395 From what I've seen of his talks to the media, De Santis seems pretty charismatic to me.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2022 02:32 PM (fF2aM)

396 Also: it doesn't matter. Who gives a flying fuck who does or doesn't get elected in the GOP? Or anywhere? Means as much as as a fart in a hurricane.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 11, 2022 02:15 PM

No it's a matter of Trump's influence. If Dr. Oprah loses it will be heralded as Trump's fault and encourage the Turtle wing of the GOPee. Trump needs wins in other races to be effective agains these pricks. Picking Dr. Oprah was a bad move that was not necessary. Holding his fire would have been a better idea, but Trump is Trump, sometimes he effs up.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 11, 2022 02:33 PM (Gpfnk)

397 It's equally unpopular on Twitter. Kurt Schlichter, who still thinks Bitch McConnell is great, thinks Trump's lost it on this one.

Posted by: Ian S.
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Kurt is the designated fire breather for Salem Communications and he uses them in turn to promote his books.

Don't really read Schlicter much anymore or his GOPe opposite on Townhall Rick Moran either. Time has passed both by. Outrage with no action is useless and cooperation with Evil is evil itself.

So, we are left with either buttressing the deep state as a choice or putting a big stick in the spokes of GOPe which is the uniparty's fake nod to the right. We cannot continue the political status quo of the Deep State with its Uniparty ruling without disaster.

Posted by: whig at April 11, 2022 02:33 PM (Iq9dF)

398 He wasn't blackmailed. He followed the law and DOJ policy.

The problem is we now live in a time where the left does neither. It's tough being the good, law abiding party when the other side is completely corrupt.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 02:27 PM (ZLI7S)

that's not 100% correct. There were things he could have legally and ethically done vis a vis "meh russia" and Mueller that he didn't do.

I don't think he was blackmailed. I just think he was a career politician and part of the DC crowd and didn't want to anger the uni-party and cocktail crowd, so he did nothing and let the circus go on.

He wasn't evil. Just a coward with no real spine.

Posted by: Mehive at April 11, 2022 02:33 PM (ky+MF)

399 373 "Cheap Date Conservatism" . . . .

I like cheap dates
Posted by: Elric Blade at April 11, 2022 02:29 PM (iFTx/)

Cheap dates are when she wants what you want- and I do not even mean sex- I mean spending time with YOU.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 11, 2022 02:33 PM (dNqv+)

400 There is no way in h e double hockey sticks that Trump will be allowed in office in the future.
Come to think of it, he is lucky he still has his life.
That is how much deep state opposition he enjoys.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 11, 2022 02:33 PM (jTmQV)

401 I am still registered D so best I can actually do is vote for lamb who is at least not a serial killer
Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 11, 2022 02:31 PM (5AbMC)

Modern American politics in a nutshell.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at April 11, 2022 02:33 PM (AiZBA)

402 ha ha ha ha
email from Pelosi today:

I asked you Thursday.
I asked you Friday.
I asked you on Saturday.
I asked you on Sunday.
I'm truly sorry to ask you again today.

[yeah, of course, she wants money]

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at April 11, 2022 02:33 PM (Ynyl9)

403 Oz actually complimented Trump at one point.. So, inflated ego Trump MUST endorse Oz!

I just wish the fuck Trump would go away.

Posted by: Chi-town Jerry at April 11, 2022 02:33 PM (CjFDo)

404 369 Like Iran v Iraq, I hope both Russia and Ukistan lose this war.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 02:28 PM (1Kx8v)

Everything I can find tells me that's exactly what's happening. No matter who "wins" the ground they're fighting over - like Mauripol - is going to end up useless and deserted, of no value to anyone.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 11, 2022 02:33 PM (trdmm)

405 Let's see if "your guy" makes it through even a tenth of the race, eh?

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 02:31 PM (dscaa)

Campaigning is a lot different than governing.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2022 02:33 PM (XIJ/X)

406 234 Quite a few names commenting that I have never seen before. With a common theme.
Interesting.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2022 02:14 PM (5p7BC)

Yep.

Posted by: m at April 11, 2022 02:33 PM (4vwwZ)

407 If Trump wants to get Republicans elected in the reddish swing states, he has to endorse someone, otherwise the Dem will win.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2022 02:17 PM (5p7BC)

This. We always complain that conservatives or 'our side' doesn't know how to play this game...so, this is how it is played. You don't wait until August to endorse a candidate and swing support, you do it in March and April before the primaries - you don't have to like who Trump endorses, but you have to expect him to endorse someone, because the Dem Party major players are for sure doing it and they know how this game is played.

Posted by: Boswell at April 11, 2022 02:33 PM (5iUNf)

408 Huh, I'm on the sidebar.

Since you are reading Ace, the value of the Trump endorsement is stronger when he endorses and wins the primary. He has been big on touting wins by people he endorsed, and a primary win gives him something to hang his hat on earlier.

Again, I DON'T disagree with you. I don't think Oz is great for our side. But Trump's strategy on endorsement is about racking up wins, not electing conservatives.

I think his instincts are to try to tear down the establishment on both the GOPe and Dem sides. He isn't really motivated by political philosophy per se.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2022 02:33 PM (5p7BC)

409 Austria's Chancellor Karl Nehammer said he raised alleged Russian atrocities in Ukraine during a "tough" and unfriendly meeting Monday with Vladimir Putin - the first Western sit-down with the Russian President since he launched his invasion in February.

"This is not a friendly visit. I have just come from Ukraine and have seen with my own eyes the immeasurable suffering caused by the Russian war of aggression," Nehammer was quoted as saying in a statement issued by his office after the meeting outside Moscow.

Nehammer is the first European leader to meet Putin face-to-face since his invasion of Ukraine. His visit divided opinion among EU leaders, with some expressing skepticism about engaging with the Russian leader.

The pair spoke for about 75 minutes at Putin's Novo-Ogaryovo residence near Moscow, Nehammer's spokesperson said, in talks the Austrian leader described as "very direct, open and tough."

Posted by: SMOD at April 11, 2022 02:33 PM (RHGPo)

410 Have to agree this is a mistake by Trump, even though I do not know who the other candidates might be.

Hopefully Trump will withdraw his endorsement and give it to someone more deserving. Anyone he might endorse, if they win, would of course have a debt of gratitude towards Trump. I think that debt wouldn't mean much to someone who is actually an anti-2A Rhino at best, and a charlatan at worst.

Posted by: Lieutenant Duh at April 11, 2022 02:34 PM (asG9z)

411 WHY is Trump even considering throwing his support to an avowed Progressive Libiot like Oz? It's not as if Oz will return the favor and provide him any support when he needs it. It's as bad as when he takes 'advice' from Ivanka and Jared - who are both effin' libs and probably registered 'democrats' (I will not capitalise that word for them). If Trump continues down the path of providing cover through endorsement of his avowed enemies, then I need to consider the need for a second cognitive examination for him. I will certainly be rethinking how seriously he deserves the support I once extended without question. Now it's Question Time.

Posted by: Dr_No at April 11, 2022 02:34 PM (mu5GU)

412 DeSantis is Bobby Jindal 2.0 -- a fine governor with an R legislature but can't win a national election. He has zero charisma. Pretending that doesn't matter just shows how you have learned nothing since the Age of Obama

That's about the most indefensible take on DeSantis possible. Jindal couldn't talk his way out of a paper bag. DeSantis' press conferences are great, and he can think on his feet when the MFM questions him. Plus he comes with Christina Pushaw, who is quite hawt *and* very skilled at flaying the media.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2022 02:34 PM (ZGrMX)

413 Saw an interview with Kathy Barnette. I like her. Don't live in PA, so it doesn't matter.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at April 11, 2022 02:34 PM (SchxB)

414 He has zero charisma.

What a weird view of Desantis.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls

***

But an accurate one to all but his hard core fan boys.

He's also short and wears his suit jackets too big.
He is so lucky Trump drug him over the finish line in FL because he is actually a smart guy and seems to want to do the right thing. But, as I said, no way can he win a national election.

Posted by: Venus at April 11, 2022 02:34 PM (YVBLw)

415 Everyone sure is cranky on a lovely day in April. Who would have thought a primary for the Republican Senate seat in PA between 2 candidates pretty much nobody here knows anything about would get so testy.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 02:34 PM (ZLI7S)

416 WHITE HOUSE warns Extraordinary Elevated Inflation Data coming out.

Hold on to your Butts

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 11, 2022 02:34 PM (dKiJG)

417 Would you care for one last cigarette?

Posted by: Circular Firing Squad at April 11, 2022 02:34 PM (TKmok)

418 Trump needs to go away. I supported him 100% and he keeps crying about the stolen election. He never built the wall. Far to many major mistakes.

Posted by: alan stern at April 11, 2022 02:34 PM (WV5Kq)

419 I think Oz is a sheep in wolf's clothing.

That said, I thought the same thing about Trump. But pro-choice Trump was the first president to attend the March For Life.

Illegal-alien hiring Trump did more to stop illegal immigration than any recent president.

Meanwhile, "dyed in the wool conservatives" haven't really advanced the cause of conservatism that much in the past 40 years.

Posted by: 29Victor at April 11, 2022 02:34 PM (BJKQV)

420 If Desantis is on the ticket, the Dems will throw a hairy fit at the idea of the first hispanic president being a Repub.

That would be nice to watch. From a distance.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at April 11, 2022 02:34 PM (l/goJ)

421 So who is the preferred GOP Senate candidate in PA?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 11, 2022 02:34 PM (WexEX)

422
No it's a matter of Trump's influence. If Dr. Oprah loses it will be heralded as Trump's fault and encourage the Turtle wing of the GOPee. Trump needs wins in other races to be effective agains these pricks. Picking Dr. Oprah was a bad move that was not necessary. Holding his fire would have been a better idea, but Trump is Trump, sometimes he effs up.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 11, 2022 02:33 PM (Gpfnk)

That seems to assume that the internal political fighting is about persuading one side or the other. Trump's move makes more sense if you look at it as politicians who owe fealty to one faction or another within the party.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:35 PM (z5Vrg)

423 Absolutely. Trump would have done incredible, amazing terrific deals with the Dems has they wanted to work with him. It was really stupid of the Dems not to realize this.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 02:17 PM (1Kx8v)

You have it 100,000% backwards. Trump was *only* going to "deal" in ways that gave him and his voters wins. The Dems knew this and so went scorched earth because there is nothing worse to them than giving his voters a win.

You think they didn't come to him a million times to "deal" with him? With all kinds of incentives? Of course they did. They say one thing publicly and then do another in private. He was unmoved and his record of not fucking over his own voters proves it.

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 02:35 PM (dscaa)

424 Does Trump at least get some credit and good vibes for endorsing a Muslim for Senate?

No? Why not?

Posted by: JoeF. at April 11, 2022 02:17 PM (mR6Gs)

Oz is not a muzzie, according to wiki.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 11, 2022 02:35 PM (F0YaR)

425 The real deal would have been someone who had better political instincts and could play the D.C. game.

This is such an odd claim.

There was no normal politics during Trump's term. His enemies essentially began framing him for treason before he even took office. He was impeached twice over nothing. The media was so unhinged it ceased to even be engaged in ordinary new gathering. Trump's own party kneecapped him at every turn, largely in service to the uniparty's ricebowl protection racket. None of that happened because Trump had poor instincts or just didn't know how to play then game.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 11, 2022 02:35 PM (ppBhU)

426 But I don't really care if Trump endorses Oz or not. McClintock is either a Hedge fund guy or married to one and he has basically come pretty close to making threats against Oz and certainly has been sliming him. I don't know about the other candidates.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2022 02:35 PM (fF2aM)

427 The 10% President is banning 80% lowers.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 11, 2022 02:35 PM (Y5qcH)

428 I don't hold it against Trump if he thinks Oz is going to be at least loyal.

Bitch McConnell supported RINO trash like Murkowski and now Cheney wholehearted, he's consistently boosted RINO piece of shit Grahamnesty his entire career.

If its a stepping stone to getting rid of Bitch McConnell and his posse then I'm all for people like Oz - as long as they understand that THEY'RE NEXT if they don't deliver.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at April 11, 2022 02:36 PM (setIA)

429 "Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2022 02:33 PM (5p7BC) "

I hope you're right and I am wrong. But I have worked with enough big egos to know this isn't always a game of three dimensional chess and often comes down to a touch of narcissism.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 11, 2022 02:36 PM (VpIIl)

430 What a weird view of Desantis.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 11, 2022 02:31 PM (ppBhU)

Yeah...you noticed too!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2022 02:36 PM (XIJ/X)

431 Trump was the right man at the right time in 2016. Now he needs to go away.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 02:36 PM (1Kx8v)

432 It's equally unpopular on Twitter. Kurt Schlichter, who still thinks Bitch McConnell is great, thinks Trump's lost it on this one.

Posted by: Ian S.

******

Kurt is 100% dedicated to helping the establishment kill MAGA just like they did the TEA party.

I honestly don't understand how people on here don't see that.

I thought we were a smarter class of morons.

Posted by: Venus at April 11, 2022 02:36 PM (YVBLw)

433 Kathy Barnett is great but a lightweight and lost her state rep race so basically has no prayer vs lamb or Fetterman

McCormick is the Deep State pick they parachuted that hedgie in after Oz jumped in

Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 11, 2022 02:37 PM (5AbMC)

434 304 Posted by: Archer at April 11, 2022 02:18 PM (gmo/4)

You're correct. Because, of course it's a photo op to show off her bust and the fact that she's an attractive woman. Probably never raced competitively or even particularly strenuously in her life except to race to the camera.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2022 02:21 PM (fF2aM)

And it's clearly a moped... but I must be the only one who noticed...

Posted by: Inogame at April 11, 2022 02:37 PM (53oGX)

435 Why do movements love to sharpen their knives on each other?

ace may or may not be wrong here, but if we cannot even assess these guys based on their actions one way or another, we are no better than the fucking NPCs.

DeSantis has done a great job. Trump did a lot of things we like (and that is WHY is was so essential to burn the country to the ground to remove him.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 11, 2022 02:37 PM (dNqv+)

436 427 The 10% President is banning 80% lowers.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 11, 2022 02:35 PM (Y5qcH)

Pelosi's dentures hardest hit.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 11, 2022 02:37 PM (II3Gr)

437 Posted by: Circular Firing Squad at April 11, 2022 02:34 PM (TKmok)

I laughed. Thanks.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2022 02:37 PM (fF2aM)

438 Is there a candidate who seems to be copying Trump's winning formula? Yes, there is. If there wasn't I would not be agitating for anyone else.

who? DeSantis is not running in PA

Posted by: kallisto at April 11, 2022 02:37 PM (DJFLF)

439 I'm a two-time Trump voter, not a cultist. Trump needs to stand down, anoint DeSantis and GO AWAY. If Trump runs, he wins the primary and we LOSE the general. If Trump anoints DeSantis, he wins the primary, we win the general and America has a pro-America leader for eight years.

Posted by: Alexander Scipio at April 11, 2022 02:37 PM (+uzCP)

440 Holding his fire would have been a better idea, but Trump is Trump, sometimes he effs up.

Posted by: Minnfidel

..
"sometimes".. hehe..

Every personnel choice he made as President was a fuck up.

Posted by: Chi-town Jerry at April 11, 2022 02:37 PM (CjFDo)

441 He was unmoved and his record of not fucking over his own voters proves it.
Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 02:35 PM (dscaa)

"Trump is really going to backstab us this time" has basically become the boy who cries wolf. Does Trump ever publicly posture about things we oppose? Sure. But as of yet he's delivered for us.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:37 PM (z5Vrg)

442 Campaigning is a lot different than governing.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2022 02:33 PM (XIJ/X)

I'm talking the FULL monty race, not just a campaign. What they did to Trump and his family was fucking unconscionable, and dare I say it historic and unprecedented - we will see how "your guy" handles it.

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 02:37 PM (dscaa)

443 "But it's that kind of claim, which convinces Trump, wrongly, that he can do whatever he want and conservatives will not hold it against him if he goes liberal, which then induces him to go to the left."

Ah, the dreaded fartclaim re-emerges....

Posted by: CZ = FNG To Remain Silent Because, FNG at April 11, 2022 02:37 PM (MkuC5)

444 Trump was the right man at the right time in 2016. Now he needs to go away.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Varian

***

You go away, Joe and take Chi-Town Jerry with you.

You two are helping the establishment Bush/McConnell wing get stronger.

Posted by: Venus at April 11, 2022 02:37 PM (YVBLw)

445 I think DeSantis has plenty of charisma, he's just not as dynamic and charismatic as Trump. Low key doesn't usually win races, but I mean Carter, both Bushes, and a lot of kinda bland people have won in the past.

I just don;t want him to run for president.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 11, 2022 02:37 PM (KZzsI)

446 Oz is foreign-born and an MD. His opinion is therefore irrelevant and he shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Posted by: Texican ette, making pronouncements today at April 11, 2022 02:38 PM (D364A)

447 But an accurate one to all but his hard core fan boys.

He's also short and wears his suit jackets too big.
He is so lucky Trump drug him over the finish line in FL because he is actually a smart guy and seems to want to do the right thing. But, as I said, no way can he win a national election.
Posted by: Venus at April 11, 2022 02:34 PM (YVBLw)

He went from eeking out a win to running virtually unopposed in this next election. His state has gained more population than any other in the nation. The mainstream media has continuously attacked him with increasing vigor.

No way he can win a national election? Watch him use Disney to further grow his national popularity.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 11, 2022 02:38 PM (KbCG3)

448 The 10% President is banning 80% lowers.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

By 4 o'clock, companies will be selling 75% lowers.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 11, 2022 02:38 PM (H4qIP)

449 I'm a two-time Trump voter, not a cultist. Trump needs to stand down, anoint DeSantis and GO AWAY. If Trump runs, he wins the primary and we LOSE the general. If Trump anoints DeSantis, he wins the primary, we win the general and America has a pro-America leader for eight years.

Posted by: Alexander Scipio
...
THIS!

Posted by: Chi-town Jerry at April 11, 2022 02:38 PM (CjFDo)

450 So let me get this straight.

Trump endorsed an ultra liberal in a 17-d chess maneuver that will give McConnell less power. And this is a great move by Trump because McConnell is too liberal.

Sure makes a lot of sense.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 02:38 PM (1Kx8v)

451 >>who? DeSantis is not running in PA

He's also not running in 2024 if Trump is. Maybe if he says it 10 more times it will sink in.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 02:38 PM (ZLI7S)

452 Desantis >>> Jindal. Jindal went up in smoke the minute he delivered that response to the SOTU and everyone realized he had the personal charisma of warm, runny brie.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 11, 2022 02:38 PM (dNqv+)

453 >>> If he doesn't pick Sessions, we have a whole different presidency.

even though I'm a trump critic, I give him a pass here. Sessions was a rare early supporter, and seemed like a good pick.

He turned out to be a weak man more concerned about his reputation than with the republic. Trump wouldn't have known that; no one did, really.

Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:38 PM (0G13K)

454 Every personnel choice he made as President was a fuck up.
Posted by: Chi-town Jerry at April 11, 2022 02:37 PM (CjFDo)

That's pretty harsh towards Carson and Perry.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:39 PM (z5Vrg)

455 I'm late to the party, but here goes. Trump should face criticism for this endorsement, but there are likely legitimate reasons for making it. That being said, I wouldn't trust this guy.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at April 11, 2022 02:39 PM (sX1BW)

456 I thought we were a smarter class of morons.
Posted by: Venus at April 11, 2022 02:36 PM (YVBLw)

Yup!

Posted by: MAC V SOG at April 11, 2022 02:39 PM (P4Pk9)

457 Yes; There certainly a lot of new posters in this thread.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2022 02:39 PM (fF2aM)

458 If Trump runs, he wins the primary and we LOSE the general. If Trump anoints DeSantis, he wins the primary, we win the general and America has a pro-America leader for eight years.

Posted by: Alexander Scipio at April 11, 2022 02:37 PM (+uzCP)

Substitute Ted Cruz above and yep, I can't believe we're doing this shit again.

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 02:39 PM (dscaa)

459 Jindal was a terrible governor. He talked a good game, but that's all he had, talk.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 11, 2022 02:39 PM (UuD2k)

460 Oz:

You folks should be ashamed. Picking on a veteran* is just so... TACKY!

*(Turkish army)

Posted by: mnw at April 11, 2022 02:39 PM (NLIak)

461 Nobody is above criticism. That goes double for Donald Trump. Anybody who reads these pages should realize that Trump is not an unalloyed good.

Trump was a liberal Democrat for decades. He still has some of those tendencies. For example, the Jailbreak bill that Ivanka influence him to promote and sign. Also, he is way too-pro LGBT. And he is a big spender.

On balance, he was a good president, but he was far from perfect.

Posted by: Ralph at April 11, 2022 02:40 PM (Qf//C)

462 426 But I don't really care if Trump endorses Oz or not. McClintock is either a Hedge fund guy or married to one and he has basically come pretty close to making threats against Oz and certainly has been sliming him. I don't know about the other candidates.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2022 02:35 PM (fF2aM)

Do you mean David McCormick?

Posted by: m at April 11, 2022 02:40 PM (4vwwZ)

463 >I was thinking this morning that the Dems could have gotten him to do his bidding if they sucked up to him instead of being rabid hysterics.

They had to choose between power and ego. And it wasn't even close.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 11, 2022 02:40 PM (44ww/)

464 I also don't see Dr. Oz being a Mitt Romney type.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at April 11, 2022 02:40 PM (sX1BW)

465 Trump is a terrible judge of character. Whether it's directly or the people are advising him on others.

Either way, he is horrible with it, and it's why I would rather he not run again.

Posted by: Tommy V at April 11, 2022 02:32 PM (GCivW)

Not saying Trump wasn't bad at staffing his administration - he was - but a big part of it was that a) there wasn't a lot of good people to pick from and b) anyone who truly openly backed Trump's agenda was unlikely to be confirmed by the Senate.

Aside from tax reform - the Senate fought every one of Trump's agenda items. So believing they would confirm strong proponents of such policies seems unlikely.

It's not like a president can pick someone off the street to be Secretary of this or Director of that. It has to be someone already high up in gov't or an elected official or, once-in-awhile, a big Corporation CEO. And, 99% of career gov't bureaucrat are uni-party globalists who were always going to fight Trump's agenda. Same with about 99% of GOP politicians.

So who could Trump pick that would actually be both competent and not try to sabotage his agenda?

Posted by: Mehive at April 11, 2022 02:40 PM (ky+MF)

466 I'm late to the party, but here goes. Trump should face criticism for this endorsement, but there are likely legitimate reasons for making it. That being said, I wouldn't trust this guy.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at April 11, 2022 02:39 PM (sX1BW)

Cut and print. This could be the only comment to the thread and the thread would have the same value.

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 02:40 PM (dscaa)

467 But, as I said, no way can he win a national election.

Posted by: Venus at April 11, 2022 02:34 PM (YVBLw)

Have you ever watched one of his press conferences or interviews? Because he is articulate, can think on his feet, and goes for the throat when he is attacked by the media.

But he has a shitty tailor, so he can't win? Yeah...go with that.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2022 02:40 PM (XIJ/X)

468 >>'m a two-time Trump voter, not a cultist. Trump needs to stand down, anoint DeSantis and GO AWAY. If Trump runs, he wins the primary and we LOSE the general. If Trump anoints DeSantis, he wins the primary, we win the general and America has a pro-America leader for eight years.

There isn't a single poll out there that shows if Trump wins in 2024 he doesn't demolish Biden or Harris. He got 74 million legal votes in 2020 and continues to draw huge, enthusiastic crowds all over the country at his rallies.

The idea that he is not far and away the favorite is just made up bullshit with zero evidence behind it.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 02:40 PM (ZLI7S)

469 even though I'm a trump critic, I give him a pass here. Sessions was a rare early supporter, and seemed like a good pick.

He turned out to be a weak man more concerned about his reputation than with the republic. Trump wouldn't have known that; no one did, really.
Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:38 PM (0G13K)

Ultimately Trump owed Sessions as well. Even if Sessions had obvious issues(to all appearances Sessions looked like a fine pick to us, he was quite disappointing), sometimes the nature of the business is to pick people for other reasons.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:40 PM (z5Vrg)

470 I think DeSantis has plenty of charisma, he's just not as dynamic and charismatic as Trump. Low key doesn't usually win races, but I mean Carter, both Bushes, and a lot of kinda bland people have won in the past.

I just don;t want him to run for president.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
.....
You apparently have never seen his press conferences.. Low key?

By that you mean he isn't as bat shit crazy as Trump is sometimes and can actually keep his head?

Posted by: Chi-town Jerry at April 11, 2022 02:41 PM (CjFDo)

471 452 Desantis >>> Jindal. Jindal went up in smoke the minute he delivered that response to the SOTU and everyone realized he had the personal charisma of warm, runny brie.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 11, 2022 02:38 PM (dNqv+)

Jindal was also a pure Corporatist and never much of an actual conservative.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 11, 2022 02:41 PM (trdmm)

472 I was thinking this morning that the Dems could have gotten him to do his bidding if they sucked up to him instead of being rabid hysterics.

They had to choose between power and ego. And it wasn't even close.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 11, 2022 02:40 PM (44ww/)

You think they didn't try? Really? In four years, you think all he got in private was rabid hysterics? Come on now....

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 02:41 PM (dscaa)

473 If Trump runs, he wins the primary and we LOSE the general. If Trump anoints DeSantis, he wins the primary, we win the general and America has a pro-America leader for eight years.

-------------

At this point, I don't think any of those statements are a certainty, starting with If Trump runs, he wins the primary.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at April 11, 2022 02:41 PM (sX1BW)

474 Posted by: m at April 11, 2022 02:40 PM (4vwwZ)

Yes; Sorry.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2022 02:41 PM (fF2aM)

475
He turned out to be a weak man more concerned about his reputation than with the republic. Trump wouldn't have known that; no one did, really.
Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:38 PM (0G13K)

One of many masks to fall during Trump. That was his biggest achievement, bar none - the Trump Administration showed that every single one of these cocksuckers is the same as the next.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 11, 2022 02:41 PM (SKVme)

476 f he doesn't pick Sessions, we have a whole different presidency.

We can't go back to That One Thing that would have resulted in an entirely different presidency, because Sessions did not exist in a vacuum, and he in fact turned out to be a Swamp Critter as well.

And when you speak of a whole different presidency...what was so bad about Trump's presidency and his achievements that resulted in record turnout from independents and blue collar dems and first time voters?

What kind of presidency do you think would be better, did Trump's presidency sukk sheet because he fired Bannon and hired Omarosa?

Posted by: kallisto at April 11, 2022 02:41 PM (DJFLF)

477 FL has 30M people and is a representation of the entire country. Everyone in FL is from somewhere. The ethnic mix mirrors the national ethnic mix.

But he totes cant win nationally. Lol.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 02:42 PM (1Kx8v)

478
Have you ever watched one of his press conferences or interviews? Because he is articulate, can think on his feet, and goes for the throat when he is attacked by the media.

But he has a shitty tailor, so he can't win? Yeah...go with that.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2022 02:40 PM (XIJ/X)

Can he win the working class? We're going through political re-alignment right now and dropping the standard-bearer for that mid-way is incredibly risky.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:42 PM (z5Vrg)

479 John Kasich is the only one who can beat Hillary, serious guys.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 11, 2022 02:42 PM (44ww/)

480 Oz will NEVER have any loyalty to America, the Constitution, or President Trump. He spent too much time on Donohue teh orpragh, teh view, and any other prog stage.

Posted by: Eromero at April 11, 2022 02:42 PM (0OP+5)

481 How is that different from the run of the mill grifting GOP senator. At least Oz is grifting from gullible people voluntarily while GOP senators like Collins, Murkowski, and Romney grift with taxpayer dollars.

Posted by: whig at April 11, 2022 02:06 PM (Iq9dF)

Fair point

Posted by: Mehive at April 11, 2022 02:42 PM (ky+MF)

482 You apparently have never seen his press conferences.. Low key?

By that you mean he isn't as bat shit crazy as Trump is sometimes and can actually keep his head?
Posted by: Chi-town Jerry

Does DeSantis have FU money? Will he accept "bundlers" donations? Because if he does, he's bought and paid for like Bush.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 11, 2022 02:42 PM (H4qIP)

483 I'm not nearly as down on Trump picking Sessions as some here are. Sessions was a very early supporter of Trump, and without him Trump might not have won. Sessions was basically a good, honorable man who unfortunately was obsolete. He was not a fighter. He did not realize the extent to which virtually the entire government was corrupted and would cut out their own intestines to strangle Trump with.

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 11, 2022 02:42 PM (iFTx/)

484 Election in 2024 will be rigged again

Posted by: MAC V SOG at April 11, 2022 02:42 PM (P4Pk9)

485 "even though I'm a trump critic, I give him a pass here. Sessions was a rare early supporter, and seemed like a good pick.

He turned out to be a weak man more concerned about his reputation than with the republic. Trump wouldn't have known that; no one did, really.

Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:38 PM (0G13K) "

Trump basically gave Sessions a choice of any job he wanted for his loyalty. In a way, you can't blame him. Trump was under attack and probably though it best (or was advised) not to speak with Sessions before or about the recusal. Remember, this is how the deep state works. There is a lot of confusion when POTUS steps in, they threw a grenade int that process and created more confusion (also see Flynn). But in the end, Trump didn't understand how consequential the AG pick could be because he was not in Washington. But you can bet Dems and their supporters did. In the end, if he took a moment to think about that, he would have picked a different position for Sessions. IMVHO

Posted by: Marcus T at April 11, 2022 02:43 PM (VpIIl)

486 >>>There isn't a single poll out there that shows if Trump wins in 2024 he doesn't demolish Biden or Harris.

Jack, neither Biden nor Harris will be on the ticket and you know it.

Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:43 PM (0G13K)

487 Trump was the right man at the right time in 2016. Now he needs to go away.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 02:36 PM (1Kx8v)

Trump made himself the right man.

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 02:43 PM (dscaa)

488 we will see how "your guy" handles it.

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 02:37 PM (dscaa)

Watch his press conferences with a rabid, hostile media, and you will see how he handles it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2022 02:43 PM (XIJ/X)

489 Desperate Putin calls on Dad's Army: Russian officials ask troops who retired in 2012 to return to the frontlines amid mounting losses from disastrous invasion of Ukraine, MoD reveals

Posted by: SMOD at April 11, 2022 02:43 PM (RHGPo)

490 Meanwhile, "dyed in the wool conservatives" haven't really advanced the cause of conservatism that much in the past 40 years.
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For the last 40 years (since Reagan left) the GOP is Corporatist with a new religion of a NWO. Never elect a former CIA director to the WH. Also, never elect anyone from Illinois to the WH. It never ends well.

Posted by: Puddinhead at April 11, 2022 02:43 PM (yRved)

491
I also don't see Dr. Oz being a Mitt Romney type.
Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at April 11, 2022 02:40 PM (sX1BW)

They're all the Mitt Romney type. He just doesn't bother hiding it, because he's untouchable in Utah.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 11, 2022 02:43 PM (SKVme)

492 His huge rally in Georgia was a whopping 5000 people.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 02:43 PM (1Kx8v)

493 >>Have you ever watched one of his press conferences or interviews? Because he is articulate, can think on his feet, and goes for the throat when he is attacked by the media.

>>But he has a shitty tailor, so he can't win? Yeah...go with that.

He is also losing in poll after poll to Trump in Florida.

I like DeSantis and hope he continues to grow and will be the nominee in 2028 but he barely beat a gay crackhead in Florida and he has no national organization and is totally unproven.

Maybe he'll decide to challenge Trump but I doubt it. If Trump runs he'll get a token from the establishment side but I don't see DeSantis trying to out Trump Trump.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 02:43 PM (ZLI7S)

494
To be fair, a LOT of us liked Bolton before we got to know him.

Mea Culpa.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 11, 2022 02:00 PM (dNqv+)

Yep. The 'Stache was well-liked here until he went all Kim Philby on us. I got suckered by Bolton just like most of the rest of Teh Horde.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 11, 2022 02:43 PM (n+4am)

495 He's also short and wears his suit jackets too big.
He is so lucky Trump drug him over the finish line in FL because he is actually a smart guy and seems to want to do the right thing. But, as I said, no way can he win a national election.
Posted by: Venus
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This is monumentally wrong.

If Trump wasn't in the mix, DeSantis would be President in Waiting right now.

If Trump runs in 2024 he will win. If he chooses not to run in 2024, DeSantis will win.

The only other possible result is cheating at such a level that we might as well just install a dictatorship.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2022 02:44 PM (5p7BC)

496 Jack, neither Biden nor Harris will be on the ticket and you know it.

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Shaping up to be a very strange election indeed.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at April 11, 2022 02:44 PM (sX1BW)

497 Jack, neither Biden nor Harris will be on the ticket and you know it.

Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:43 PM (0G13K)

So...who will be on the ticket? Hillary?

They don't have a deep bench.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2022 02:44 PM (XIJ/X)

498 >>His huge rally in Georgia was a whopping 5000 people.

That's true if by 5000 you mean 17,000.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 02:44 PM (ZLI7S)

499 Trump endorsed an ultra liberal in a 17-d chess maneuver that will give McConnell less power.

if there was a strategerical reasoning behind his Oz endorsement, likely it is that he thinks Mehmet will pull the Karen vote. Lots of Karens in the philly collar counties

Posted by: kallisto at April 11, 2022 02:44 PM (DJFLF)

500 Say what you want about McClintock/McCormick, the guy certainly has good name recognition.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 11, 2022 02:44 PM (/EuRN)

501 Saw an interview with Kathy Barnette. I like her. Don't live in PA, so it doesn't matter.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at April 11, 2022 02:34 PM (SchxB)

She also apparently has a history of being on our side and not being a Johnny come lately.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math ~~Queen~~ King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at April 11, 2022 02:44 PM (rF64X)

502 @454
>>That's pretty harsh towards Carson and Perry

Also his Economics team was Steller.

Listen, the positions that Trump picked "wrong" were more than likely thrust upon him by the internal and external uniparty. ie these are the people we will allow you to pick and who we will allow to occupy those positons.

Also a lot of his bad picks were formerly people that had huge fan followings on smart military blogs like Bolton and Mattis.
Remember, Trump faced a panopticon of traitors and saboteurs from day 0 onward.

Still the best President we've had since Reagan and in many respects, Trump was better.
So, there's that.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 11, 2022 02:45 PM (WexEX)

503 Re: Sebastian Gorka

people I know say he gets greeted like a rock star at conservative events, so, I mean, he at least has some popular support
Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:09 PM (0G13K)

It's his voice, and the power of Pain Relief.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 11, 2022 02:45 PM (yQpMk)

504 He turned out to be a weak man more concerned about his reputation than with the republic. Trump wouldn't have known that; no one did, really.
Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:38 PM (0G13K)

I was shocked at Sessions' hang-wringing inability to control and manage the DOJ. He was the worst AG we've ever had and you'd have never known that until the man took the position. Senators do not make good leaders - they just are really pretty much useless lumps of flesh.

Posted by: Boswell at April 11, 2022 02:45 PM (5iUNf)

505 If you look at many of the other "perfect" candidates though, they were pushed for things like low taxes and facing the teachers unions. When it came to social issues, they were non-entities. DeSantis has entered the culture war fray. In my mind, that gives him a bit more credibility.

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at April 11, 2022 02:18 PM (EpDzw)

This is very fair.

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 02:45 PM (dscaa)

506 497 Jack, neither Biden nor Harris will be on the ticket and you know it.

Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:43 PM (0G13K)

So...who will be on the ticket? Hillary?

They don't have a deep bench.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2022 02:44 PM (XIJ/X)

I'm wondering myself. There aren't that many people that would be broadly acceptable to our oligarchs.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:45 PM (z5Vrg)

507 Trump basically gave Sessions a choice of any job he wanted for his loyalty. In a way, you can't blame him. Trump was under attack and probably though it best (or was advised) not to speak with Sessions before or about the recusal. Remember, this is how the deep state works. There is a lot of confusion when POTUS steps in, they threw a grenade int that process and created more confusion (also see Flynn). But in the end, Trump didn't understand how consequential the AG pick could be because he was not in Washington. But you can bet Dems and their supporters did. In the end, if he took a moment to think about that, he would have picked a different position for Sessions. IMVHO

Posted by: Marcus T
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Story I got was that Rudy was asked to be AG but wanted Dept. of State which was a reach due to Rudy's messy domestic situation. So Sessions got it because he could be approved and had a relatively good record of opposing the Dems.

Posted by: whig at April 11, 2022 02:45 PM (Iq9dF)

508 For me, this is a deal breaker.

Trump has a long track record of choosing the wrong person when it matters most. Most people would never had known who Anthony Fauci was, were it not for Trump elevating him to the hallowed position of "Media Personality", for instance, but here we are. And there are plenty of other examples where he's screwed the pooch on personnel choices.

But this takes the cake. I'm done with the guy.

it's kind of amusing though ... because today is apparently the day when Chris-disgusting-fatbody-eat-your-jelly-donut-Christy was ... right about something.

Posted by: fretlessT at April 11, 2022 02:46 PM (XHZzR)

509 McCormick, the guy certainly has good name recognition.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 11, 2022 02:44 PM (/EuRN)

The spices and extracts are pretty reliable.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 11, 2022 02:46 PM (II3Gr)

510 Trump backing Oz is truly disappointing.

I would hope that if Trump managed to run and win in '24, he will have learned how the hell to choose the right people to help him run things.

Honest question: Do you think DeSantis will choose the right people? I sure hope he will...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 11, 2022 02:46 PM (wtvvX)

511 FL has 30M people and is a representation of the entire country. Everyone in FL is from somewhere. The ethnic mix mirrors the national ethnic mix.

But he totes cant win nationally. Lol.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant
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that's right, a zero charisma, short man who wears his suit jackets too big is never, ever, going to win a national election. He barely won FL against the crackhead Gillum. He will win his re-election because he has proven to be a good governor with an R legislature, but he had to get elected first.

A--holes like you push DeSantis because you want to empower the establishment. You can fool the others on here, but I know exactly what you are.

Posted by: Venus at April 11, 2022 02:46 PM (YVBLw)

512 Sessions was basically a good, honorable man who unfortunately was obsolete. He was not a fighter.

Yeah I think ACE put it best when he said "He did not know what time it is". Sessions was great for the job at any previous time. But at this time he was not, because he didn't realize or did no want to realize how corrupt and broken his own department was, or did not have the strength of character to deal with it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 11, 2022 02:46 PM (KZzsI)

513 He is also losing in poll after poll to Trump in Florida.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 02:43 PM (ZLI7S)

Not surprising. Trump has tremendous name recognition, and it is spring of 2022!

Trump may win in 2024 if he runs, but I see no reason to expect a radically different administration than his previous one. He is still being driven by ego and emotion, and that didn't work well for him the first time.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2022 02:47 PM (XIJ/X)

514 I like DeSantis and hope he continues to grow and will be the nominee in 2028 but he barely beat a gay crackhead in Florida and he has no national organization and is totally unproven.

Maybe he'll decide to challenge Trump but I doubt it. If Trump runs he'll get a token from the establishment side but I don't see DeSantis trying to out Trump Trump.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 02:43 PM (ZLI7S)

Barely beat a crackhead -- that was how long ago? Are the dems even putting a dime towards challenging him now?

No national organization? Plenty of time to ramp up.

Totally unproven? By what metric? He's proving himself daily. Ask Disney.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 11, 2022 02:47 PM (KbCG3)

515 But this takes the cake. I'm done with the guy.

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Endorsing a senate candidate is quite different from picking a Cabinet post

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at April 11, 2022 02:47 PM (sX1BW)

516 "If Trump runs in 2024 he will win. If he chooses not to run in 2024, DeSantis will win.

The only other possible result is cheating at such a level that we might as well just install a dictatorship.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2022 02:44 PM (5p7BC) "

The question is- who will Democrats make their candidate and will that person close the gap with so-called Independents who seem to trail off when Trump is our candidate?

Posted by: Marcus T at April 11, 2022 02:47 PM (VpIIl)

517 McCormick, the guy certainly has good name recognition.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 11, 2022 02:44 PM (/EuRN)

The spices and extracts are pretty reliable.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 11, 2022 02:46 PM (II3Gr)

So is his farm equipment!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 11, 2022 02:47 PM (wtvvX)

518 >>Jack, neither Biden nor Harris will be on the ticket and you know it.

So? That's who the polls are putting out at this time because they happen to be the only two are even conceivable.

Do you really think Mayor Pete or some other checkbox candidate is going to do any better?

The fact is Trump polls better than any Republican potential candidate in 2024 including DeSantis and it's not close. Hell, DeSantis isn't even beating Trump in Florida.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 02:47 PM (ZLI7S)

519 Watch his press conferences with a rabid, hostile media, and you will see how he handles it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2022 02:43 PM (XIJ/X)

I've seen it. I generally like what I've seen of DeSantis on that front. What he has faced so far is a pimple on a mosquito's dick compared to what Trump had faced by the end of 2015. No sleight on him, it's just a fact.

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 02:47 PM (dscaa)

520 Maybe he'll decide to challenge Trump but I doubt it. If Trump runs he'll get a token from the establishment side but I don't see DeSantis trying to out Trump Trump.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 02:43 PM (ZLI7S)

He is not dumb and his ego seems to be in check. He won't challenge Trump.

However, it would be nice to have leaders who haven't exceeded the average life expectancy.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math ~~Queen~~ King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at April 11, 2022 02:47 PM (rF64X)

521 Trump picked the celebrity, the name status. Doesn't mean I am.

Kellyanne Conway, Hope Hicks, Larry Kudlow, Stephen Miller, and Mike Pompeo endorsed McCormick.

Ben Carson, Louis Freeh, Rick Perry, Wilbur Ross, and Ryan Zinke endorsed Oz.

Posted by: Dr. Titanium Whitey, J.D. at April 11, 2022 02:47 PM (i6shs)

522 Posted by: Venus at April 11, 2022 02:46 PM (YVBLw)

Last chance. No more ad hominem attacks or you will get banned.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2022 02:48 PM (XIJ/X)

523 For me, this is a deal breaker.

Trump has a long track record of choosing the wrong person when it matters most.
Posted by: fretlessT

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You think the Bush/McConnell back guy McClintock is the better pick.

You're an establishment hack.

Posted by: Venus at April 11, 2022 02:48 PM (YVBLw)

524 Last year alone, there were approximately 20,000 suspected ghost guns reported to ATF as having been recovered by law enforcement in criminal investigations a ten-fold increase from 2016. Because ghost guns lack the serial numbers marked on other firearms, law enforcement has an exceedingly difficult time tracing a ghost gun found at a crime scene back to an individual purchaser," the statement said.

BULLSHIT

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 11, 2022 02:48 PM (yrol0)

525 This election is for the seat held by Toomey.

Toomey was supposed to be the "great conservative Senate hope", he squeaked in there in 2010 during the anti-Obama wave, then Trump pulled him over line in 2016. In thanks, he turned on the base at the earliest opportunity. It's maddening.

Posted by: Wing Bang Ow at April 11, 2022 02:48 PM (ZlKnD)

526 Okay Charlie Brown --just saw your warning.

No more attacks.

Posted by: Venus at April 11, 2022 02:48 PM (YVBLw)

527 My guess is the Dems want another acceptable stooge Steny Hoyer is their man.

Posted by: Puddinhead at April 11, 2022 02:48 PM (yRved)

528 And let's not forget Conservative Super Duper Rock Star Kristie Noem.

If she had just toed the line a little smarter and wasn't *already* beholden to some bad hombres, people would be begging her to be DeSantis's VP and saying Trump needs to step aside for her.

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 02:49 PM (dscaa)

529 Hat tip to Ace = might want to block the ads from http://ihjection.site

They are REALLY obnoxious.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 11, 2022 02:49 PM (ESjRY)

530 He is not dumb and his ego seems to be in check. He won't challenge Trump.

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To me, the only reason he would not run is because Trump only has one-term. I usually say strike while hot, and right now he is not. No guaranty he will be in 6 years.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at April 11, 2022 02:49 PM (sX1BW)

531 If I live that long, I may consider getting out my son's belt and hitching myself up to the rafters if we have another circular firing squad coming up to the Presidential nomination. See you on the next thread.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2022 02:49 PM (fF2aM)

532 If there is no good choice the Trump doesn't have to endorse.

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That's certainly preferable than to endorse someone like Oz. If Trump wants his endorsements to mean something, he needs to really hone his skills in scrutinizing people. Heck, even Tom Selleck won't lend his name to something that might reflect badly on him...

Posted by: Lady in Black at April 11, 2022 02:49 PM (sVtYq)

533 497 Jack, neither Biden nor Harris will be on the ticket and you know it.

Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:43 PM (0G13K)

So...who will be on the ticket? Hillary?

They don't have a deep bench.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2022 02:44 PM (XIJ/X)

PLEASE let it be hillary!

Posted by: m at April 11, 2022 02:49 PM (4vwwZ)

534 Trump is a starf**ker whose starf**king days have been forever ended.
This bothers Trump (because he's a dickhead) and leads him to make stupid candidate endorsements.

Therefore, the immensely important debate over "WhyTF would Trump endorse a Democrat" has concluded.

Thank you for your participation.

Posted by: Skunky Choom at April 11, 2022 02:50 PM (ctqJO)

535 234 Quite a few names are commenting that I have never seen before. With a common theme.

I have been here since before 2008 and people still think I'm new because I don't post that often.

But yeah, I really don't want Trump to run. I definitely wish I could transplant the qualities I like about him to someone with the similar policy preferences that could pick a better staff.

Posted by: Tommy V at April 11, 2022 02:50 PM (GCivW)

536 McCormick, the guy certainly has good name recognition.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 11, 2022 02:44 PM (/EuRN)

The spices and extracts are pretty reliable.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 11, 2022 02:46 PM (II3Gr)

*golfclap*

Posted by: Sponge - FJB at April 11, 2022 02:50 PM (Zz0t1)

537 Honest question: Do you think DeSantis will choose the right people? I sure hope he will...
Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 11, 2022 02:46 PM (wtvvX)

The best method has always been hire and fire. I'm not sure there are actual historical examples of people who can consistently pick good performers for a variety of roles. Lincoln didn't start with Grant, and Grant isn't an example of anyone's first pick.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:50 PM (z5Vrg)

538 In thanks, he turned on the base at the earliest opportunity. It's maddening.

This, in addition to the 3 GOPe govs who are for child grooming in the schools - in IN and UT no less! - is why I no longer trust or believe any of them at this point.

DeSantis seems legit and so does Trump. They both have a track record of representing the people and more importantly, the Constitution

Posted by: kallisto at April 11, 2022 02:50 PM (DJFLF)

539 Yeah, because there is no record of any Democrat candidate coming out of nowhere to beat the proverbial "favorite". There are what- 22 Democrat governors, and you know Democrats will go for the demographic play.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 11, 2022 02:50 PM (VpIIl)

540 I too enjoy the endorsements of Donald Trump...at least I used to, before I had a convenient change of heart

Posted by: Mitt Romney at April 11, 2022 02:50 PM (Mle+D)

541 Saw an interview with Kathy Barnette. I like her. Don't live in PA, so it doesn't matter.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at April 11, 2022 02:34 PM (SchxB)

She also apparently has a history of being on our side and not being a Johnny come lately.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at April 11, 2022 02:44 PM

I'm a content of character person myself, but I do notice that people of color on the conservative side have a backbone. The title of her book is quite a slap in the face to the liberals.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at April 11, 2022 02:50 PM (dQvv7)

542 So Sessions got it because he could be approved and had a relatively good record of opposing the Dems.
Posted by: whig at April 11, 2022 02:45 PM (Iq9dF)

I think that Trump thought Sessions, being a former judge who had a very conservative voting record, would translate into effective leadership and management.

US Senators cannot lead or manage a grocery run to Winn-Dixie much less a complex and, what was already apparent at the time, antagonistic department of egotistical attorneys.

Posted by: Boswell at April 11, 2022 02:51 PM (5iUNf)

543 I have to agree that Trump is a poor HR manager.

His appointments/hires/endorsements to date have been less than stellar.

Posted by: Joe Mama at April 11, 2022 02:51 PM (WmGrA)

544 Desantis is on the ticket, the Dems will throw a hairy fit at the idea of the first hispanic president being a Repub.
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He isn't Hispanic, he is Italian.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2022 02:51 PM (5p7BC)

545 If Trump runs in 2024 a Kumala win is guaranteed.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 02:51 PM (1Kx8v)

546 Desantis is on the ticket, the Dems will throw a hairy fit at the idea of the first hispanic president being a Repub.
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He isn't Hispanic, he is Italian.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2022 02:51 PM (5p7BC)

I can't stop laughing at this.

Posted by: Sponge - FJB at April 11, 2022 02:51 PM (Zz0t1)

547 "Last chance. No more ad hominem attacks or you will get banned, Jonah"

FIFY

Posted by: Marcus T at April 11, 2022 02:51 PM (VpIIl)

548 What a weird view of Desantis.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 11, 2022 02:31 PM (ppBhU)
~~~~~

But it's not altogether wrong. I'm a big fan of DeSantis and my dream is to see him as Trump's running mate in '24 (not gonna happen,) and then run himself in '28 and '32 (possible.)

However.......

I, along with a whole lot of people here, was also a big fan of Marco Rubio at one time. Remember him?

Posted by: IrishEi at April 11, 2022 02:52 PM (VhE0u)

549 I thought the whole thing was to not have a candidate that was owned by the CoC?

Unless the candidate has FU money and has announced they are only taking individual donations, they WILL be bought and paid for.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 11, 2022 02:52 PM (H4qIP)

550 >>Barely beat a crackhead -- that was how long ago? Are the dems even putting a dime towards challenging him now?

>>No national organization? Plenty of time to ramp up.

>>Totally unproven? By what metric? He's proving himself daily. Ask Disney.

In a Republican state with a Republican legislature that actually works with him. There is zero comparison to what Trump or any DeSantis if he were there would have had to deal with in DC when their own party doesn't support them.

So yes, unproven in anything other than a very friendly political environment. Do you think DeSantis came up with the anti-grooming bill in Florida? Nope, that was his legislature. Great that he signed it but that's all he did.

And yes, barely beat a crackhead when Trump took down the inevitable Hillary despite having to run again the media, his party and the deep state.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 02:52 PM (ZLI7S)

551 I think the Oz endorsement is starting a preference cascade.

I am hoping Trump chooses not to run in 24.

Posted by: blaster at April 11, 2022 02:52 PM (9otr5)

552 512 Sessions was basically a good, honorable man who unfortunately was obsolete. He was not a fighter.

Yeah I think ACE put it best when he said "He did not know what time it is". Sessions was great for the job at any previous time. But at this time he was not, because he didn't realize or did no want to realize how corrupt and broken his own department was, or did not have the strength of character to deal with it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 11, 2022 02:46 PM (KZzsI)

It broke my heart when he flailed and faded.

Posted by: m at April 11, 2022 02:52 PM (4vwwZ)

553 "He barely won FL against the crackhead Gillum."

A more accurate statement would be that Gillum and his Jackass Party enablers couldn't beat DeSantis even with the help of the entrenched Democrat election fraud regime in South Florida running flat out.

Unlike Trump, DeSantis went scorched earth on those animals and gutted 'em.

Posted by: CZ = FNG To Remain Silent Because, FNG at April 11, 2022 02:52 PM (MkuC5)

554 539 Yeah, because there is no record of any Democrat candidate coming out of nowhere to beat the proverbial "favorite". There are what- 22 Democrat governors, and you know Democrats will go for the demographic play.

This is really worth posting again. I

Posted by: Tommy V at April 11, 2022 02:53 PM (GCivW)

555 In a Republican state with a Republican legislature that actually works with him. There is zero comparison to what Trump or any DeSantis if he were there would have had to deal with in DC when their own party doesn't support them.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 02:52 PM (ZLI7S)

If Schwarzenegger had been elected in a red state he'd have become a conservative Republican presidential hopeful. Full of energy and right-wing beliefs when he first came into office.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:53 PM (z5Vrg)

556 Christopher R Taylor: "I just don't want him to run for president."

Yet. Not yet.

I'd like to see Trump be vindicated by the public against the Deep State et al and go apocalyptic on his enemies to every degree possible. Then get DeSantis, after showing other Conservative governors how to lead a state, take the chair for his two terms. Then we might actually have a brief window to cease praying for SMOD.

But if not DeSantis, who? Who would be a top choice to have any Republican (not GOPe) beliefs? Because no one at the moment arises to his apparent status or capabilities.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at April 11, 2022 02:54 PM (aXxgO)

557 Okay, I've lost track of the thread after sooooo many comments, but I want to say this:

THIS is what honest debate looks like.

And IT is fucking healthy. Also, fuck you Kurt. Before your mom does.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 11, 2022 02:54 PM (F0YaR)

558 Oz would probably betray us but...

He's a political outsider, that may not be a bad thing

He decided to run as a Republican, don't know why but maybe he realizes the Dems are loons.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 11, 2022 02:54 PM (eMEkg)

559 Damn, our fields of New Nics is producing a bumper crop.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 11, 2022 02:54 PM (dNqv+)

560 So yes, unproven in anything other than a very friendly political environment. Do you think DeSantis came up with the anti-grooming bill in Florida? Nope, that was his legislature. Great that he signed it but that's all he did.

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Jack, this short sells DeSantis by quite a bit. Lots of states have conservative legislatures. Their govenors don't always deliver.

We don't have to hate on DeSantis just because we like Trump.

Both seem to be on our side right now, and I endorse both. We need more of each of them.

If Desantis throws his hat in the ring, we'll see what he is made of.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at April 11, 2022 02:54 PM (sX1BW)

561 521 Trump picked the celebrity, the name status. Doesn't mean I am.

Kellyanne Conway, Hope Hicks, Larry Kudlow, Stephen Miller, and Mike Pompeo endorsed McCormick.

Ben Carson, Louis Freeh, Rick Perry, Wilbur Ross, and Ryan Zinke endorsed Oz.
Posted by: Dr. Titanium Whitey, J.D. at April 11, 2022 02:47 PM (i6shs)

Nice split. And may the best man win.

Posted by: m at April 11, 2022 02:54 PM (4vwwZ)

562 If Schwarzenegger had been elected in a red state he'd have become a conservative Republican presidential hopeful

I will bang the help...severely conservatively...if elected.

Posted by: Arnold Schwarzenegger at April 11, 2022 02:54 PM (ESjRY)

563 If 2024 is Trump v Hillary, we are no longer a serious nation.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 02:55 PM (1Kx8v)

564 I remember Sessions moving his granddaughter away from Biden. I think he wanted out the the perv cesspool. They really are a sick lot.

Posted by: Infidel at April 11, 2022 02:55 PM (AhBAQ)

565 ack, neither Biden nor Harris will be on the ticket and you know it.

Posted by: ace at April 11, 2022 02:43 PM (0G13K)

So...who will be on the ticket? Hillary?

They don't have a deep bench.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2022 02:44 PM (XIJ/X)

I'm wondering myself. There aren't that many people that would be broadly acceptable to our oligarchs.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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I think the plan is Newsom. Just a guess though.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2022 02:55 PM (5p7BC)

566 DeSantis held the line in FL, until recently a swing state, and is Satan incarnate to the media and left (BIRM).

Noem sold out in red ND.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math ~~Queen~~ King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at April 11, 2022 02:55 PM (rF64X)

567 539 Yeah, because there is no record of any Democrat candidate coming out of nowhere to beat the proverbial "favorite". There are what- 22 Democrat governors, and you know Democrats will go for the demographic play.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 11, 2022 02:50 PM (VpIIl)

Normally it's scripted yes. Without Ted Kennedy coming down in his favor, Obama would've lost the primary.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:55 PM (z5Vrg)

568 Only caution with DeSantis is that he has no personal wealth, a few small kids, and a wife battling cancer. Money will he highly tempting.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at April 11, 2022 02:55 PM (GirDK)

569 >>Unlike Trump, DeSantis went scorched earth on those animals and gutted 'em.

Unlike Trump, DeSantis is a governor and has control over the election system in his state.

A more accurate way to say it the President of the United States has zero say in the Constitutionally appointed role the states play in running their own elections.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 02:55 PM (ZLI7S)

570 Nice split. And may the best man win.
Posted by: m at April 11, 2022 02:54 PM (4vwwZ)

Damn you... Quit being so logical

Posted by: It's me donna at April 11, 2022 02:56 PM (J8ILO)

571 I'm wondering myself. There aren't that many people that would be broadly acceptable to our oligarchs.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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I think the plan is Newsom. Just a guess though.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2022 02:55 PM (5p7BC)

He would seem to meet their criteria.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:56 PM (z5Vrg)

572 He isn't Hispanic, he is Italian.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2022 02:51 PM (5p7BC)

He was born in Jacksonville, Fl - I think his great great grandmother was from Italy, but he's pretty much a multi-generational American and Floridian.

Posted by: Boswell at April 11, 2022 02:56 PM (5iUNf)

573 DeSantis is one of my governors and I hesitate to share him with the National electorate. I'd prefer he stay in Florida so he will be there when I get there permanently.

I think he will make a great President of The New United States.

Posted by: blaster at April 11, 2022 02:56 PM (9otr5)

574 Buttgig/Harris '24 The fag hag ticket.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 11, 2022 02:56 PM (II3Gr)

575 So yes, unproven in anything other than a very friendly political environment. Do you think DeSantis came up with the anti-grooming bill in Florida? Nope, that was his legislature. Great that he signed it but that's all he did.

And yes, barely beat a crackhead when Trump took down the inevitable Hillary despite having to run again the media, his party and the deep state.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 02:52 PM (ZLI7S)

Whether he came up with it or not, he stood up for it, became the face of it and then told the largest corporation in the state to stick it up their ass if they didn't like it.

Why knock Desantis to build up Trump? We should be thrilled to have two solid options. The dems have...what?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 11, 2022 02:56 PM (KbCG3)

576 Yeah I think ACE put it best when he said "He did not know what time it is".

Agreed. He started off hot when no one else would, but could not fight the way needed when it mattered most. It was and is not a collegial era.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at April 11, 2022 02:56 PM (aXxgO)

577 524 Last year alone, there were approximately 20,000 suspected ghost guns reported to ATF as having been recovered by law enforcement in criminal investigations a ten-fold increase from 2016. Because ghost guns lack the serial numbers marked on other firearms, law enforcement has an exceedingly difficult time tracing a ghost gun found at a crime scene back to an individual purchaser," the statement said.

BULLSHIT
Posted by: rhennigantx at April 11, 2022 02:48 PM (yrol0)

What's bs there? Seriously; I don't know.

Posted by: m at April 11, 2022 02:56 PM (4vwwZ)

578 557 Okay, I've lost track of the thread after sooooo many comments, but I want to say this:

THIS is what honest debate looks like.

And IT is fucking healthy.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 11, 2022 02:54 PM (F0YaR)

Completely agree.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math ~~Queen~~ King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at April 11, 2022 02:57 PM (rF64X)

579 If Schwarzenegger had been elected in a red state he'd have become a conservative Republican presidential hopeful. Full of energy and right-wing beliefs when he first came into office.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:53 PM (z5Vrg)

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Disagree, just a well-disguised Kennedy butt-boy -- and of course ineligible for the presidency having been born in Austria.

Posted by: ShainS -- They are Child Predators, not Groomers at April 11, 2022 02:57 PM (Xz7Fn)

580 He isn't Hispanic, he is Italian.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2022 02:51 PM (5p7BC)

In some quarters it's the same thing

Posted by: kallisto at April 11, 2022 02:57 PM (DJFLF)

581 I don't understand in what West Wing House of Cards Law and Order SVU world the Democrats "get rid" of Harris. So much fantasizing and wishful thinking.

She will be the First Female Presnit of Color (since Obama), barring some miracle treatment for gropey gramps and somehow people think the Democrats are gonna treat her like a black Republican and just cast her the hell aside for reasons? Ain't happening in this or any other universe.

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 02:57 PM (dscaa)

582 562 If Schwarzenegger had been elected in a red state he'd have become a conservative Republican presidential hopeful

I will bang the help...severely conservatively...if elected.

Posted by: Arnold Schwarzenegger at April 11, 2022 02:54 PM (ESjRY)

He just vanted to Pump - (clap) - them up!!!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 11, 2022 02:57 PM (wtvvX)

583 At the Dr. Now trying to ignore Sundowner talking about his new gun banning initiative. I truly hate that man.

Posted by: Picric at April 11, 2022 02:57 PM (Iaq7M)

584 I don't see the need to push DeSantis or Trump as nominee in 2024 because two years is a long time in politics. DeSantis needs to focus on a smashing reelection in Florida and Trump can continue to go after the GOPe and Conservative, Inc. for 2022-2023 via endorsements and others.

So essentially the argument here at AOS is over the past record of Trump plus his current political kibitzing/kvetching versus the prospect of the shining hill of a new champion based on Florida policy successes- DeSantis.

Posted by: whig at April 11, 2022 02:57 PM (Iq9dF)

585 Simple Joe is yelling about guns again. I wish Joe would spend more time yelling about how to bake bread.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at April 11, 2022 02:58 PM (Wnd0C)

586 The 51 "intelligence officials" who lied about the Hunter laptop still have their jobs, or pensions, probably their Security clearances as well.

They have suffered for their perfidy, not one whit.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 11, 2022 02:58 PM (jTmQV)

587 As a Floridian, I prefer to keep DeSantis here.

DC and the national government is a lost cause, with or without Trump.

There. I said it.

Posted by: CZ = FNG To Remain Silent Because, FNG at April 11, 2022 02:58 PM (MkuC5)

588 "I think the plan is Newsom. Just a guess though.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2022 02:55 PM (5p7BC) "

I keep seeing Polis, Grisham and Edwards being mentioned.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 11, 2022 02:58 PM (VpIIl)

589 So...who will be on the ticket? Hillary?

People like Buttgag and probably at least one of the "squad" if they're old enough.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 11, 2022 02:58 PM (KZzsI)

590 Why knock Desantis to build up Trump? We should be thrilled to have two solid options. The dems have...what?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 11, 2022 02:56 PM (KbCG3)

It's not inaccurate to say that DeSantis is unproven in the context we'd be thrusting him. We have it happen all the time that people we think would be great in a position fail at it. Particularly conservative stars.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:58 PM (z5Vrg)

591 -------

Disagree, just a well-disguised Kennedy butt-boy -- and of course ineligible for the presidency having been born in Austria.
Posted by: ShainS -- They are Child Predators, not Groomers at April 11, 2022 02:57 PM (Xz7Fn)

Didn't stop Owebama.

Posted by: Sponge - FJB at April 11, 2022 02:58 PM (Zz0t1)

592 557 Okay, I've lost track of the thread after sooooo many comments, but I want to say this:

THIS is what honest debate looks like.

And IT is fucking healthy. Also, fuck you Kurt. Before your mom does.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 11, 2022 02:54 PM (F0YaR

Well, mostly but one would be hard pressed to find anything better.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 11, 2022 02:58 PM (II3Gr)

593 I offer post 586 as proof.

Posted by: CZ = FNG To Remain Silent Because, FNG at April 11, 2022 02:58 PM (MkuC5)

594 ... we are no longer a serious nation.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant

Fait d'accompli.
FTFY.

Posted by: Joe Mama at April 11, 2022 02:59 PM (WmGrA)

595 Comments here at 9:00: I hate that only rich elites have power, we need the common man in politics more

9:01 comment: DeSantis has no money so he will be bought and paid for. Cant have him running.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 02:59 PM (1Kx8v)

596 I like Trump, but an honest person has to recognize he makes horrible personnel decisions.

There's also the theory that he endorsed Oz to put the spotlight on him, illuminating the base that he is NOT anything resembling a conservative.

In any event, DeSantis 2024.

Posted by: Mister Christopher (in Atlanta yo) at April 11, 2022 02:59 PM (TZswW)

597 What's bs there? Seriously; I don't know.
Posted by: m

Ghost guns are homemade. NOT guns with serial numbers filed off. The government is intentionally conflating the two.

No way 20,000 homemade guns were recovered from crime scenes. Biggest reason? It's beyond the crackhead's skill set to make them.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 11, 2022 02:59 PM (H4qIP)

598 "THIS is what honest debate looks like.

And IT is fucking healthy.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 11, 2022 02:54 PM (F0YaR) "

Agree. Thankfully there are no pointy objects

Posted by: Marcus T at April 11, 2022 02:59 PM (VpIIl)

599 DC and the national government is a lost cause, with or without Trump.

I agree. The America we once knew is gone, we're only fighting over what comes after it, now. Without an act of God, we're in a very bad place looking at a very worse place very soon.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 11, 2022 02:59 PM (KZzsI)

600 >>Jack, this short sells DeSantis by quite a bit. Lots of states have conservative legislatures. Their govenors don't always deliver.

No, it's a fact. I like DeSantis quite a bit and have said so recently but there is also a bit of grade inflation going on here.

Comparing the president with a governor and their respective accomplishments is always a bit of a challenge because of the inherent differences in their offices and powers. Hell, even the states have different powers they give to their governors.

But if people are going to nitpick Trump constantly for things he did or didn't do then it's important that DeSantis be held to at least the same standard.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 02:59 PM (ZLI7S)

601 It's not inaccurate to say that DeSantis is unproven in the context we'd be thrusting him. We have it happen all the time that people we think would be great in a position fail at it. Particularly conservative stars.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:58 PM (z5Vrg)

Trump in 2016 had zero record to run on. If you voted for Trump back then, this line of reasoning completely falls apart for me.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 11, 2022 03:00 PM (KbCG3)

602 The only other possible result is cheating at such a level that we might as well just install a dictatorship.

Posted by: Dave in Fla

/sideeyes 2020

Um, about that.

Posted by: Brother Tim, #teamheadsonpikes at April 11, 2022 03:00 PM (OUMaO)

603 Durham/Steiner '24

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 11, 2022 03:00 PM (II3Gr)

604 I don't see the need to push DeSantis or Trump as nominee in 2024 because two years is a long time in politics.

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I agree, whig. It's pointless to get into the weeds at this juncture. I'm just hoping one of the two will be my choice in '24. We'll be a smoking cinder by then, but just maaaybe the presidential election will still matter.

Posted by: Lady in Black at April 11, 2022 03:00 PM (sVtYq)

605 Noem sold out in red ND.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at April 11, 2022 02:55 PM (rF64X)

But if she didn't sell out that one time, she would be still Conservative Rock Star Numero Dos. I remember saying something slightly skeptical of her back in her little heyday, and virtually getting my balls chewed off.

It's a thing. We don't vet well. I'll say we because I've been party to it - only not in quite a long while.

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 03:00 PM (dscaa)

606 "No way 20,000 homemade guns were recovered from crime scenes. Biggest reason? It's beyond the crackhead's skill set to make them. "

He is conflating all guns turned over by law enforcement because there was not a discernible serial number. That doesn't mean there wasn't one. It means they were taken off the firearm which is mostly the case..

Posted by: Marcus T at April 11, 2022 03:01 PM (VpIIl)

607 But if people are going to nitpick Trump constantly for things he did or didn't do then it's important that DeSantis be held to at least the same standard.

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I still think it short sells him. But yes, it is fair to say that he has a favorable legislature. I think equally fair to say that he may be pulling said legislature to the right as he is doing the public fighting.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at April 11, 2022 03:01 PM (sX1BW)

608 601 It's not inaccurate to say that DeSantis is unproven in the context we'd be thrusting him. We have it happen all the time that people we think would be great in a position fail at it. Particularly conservative stars.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 02:58 PM (z5Vrg)

Trump in 2016 had zero record to run on. If you voted for Trump back then, this line of reasoning completely falls apart for me.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 11, 2022 03:00 PM (KbCG3)

I didn't vote for him the primary. I didn't actually vote at all in the general either. Trump was without a doubt a wild gamble. And the people who bet on him were right. People could be right on DeSantis, but empirically the odds are that they're wrong.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 03:01 PM (z5Vrg)

609 Cadaver Joe just created a new LE department called the AFT.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at April 11, 2022 03:01 PM (Wnd0C)

610
He is conflating all guns turned over by law enforcement because there was not a discernible serial number. That doesn't mean there wasn't one. It means they were taken off the firearm which is mostly the case..
Posted by: Marcus T at April 11, 2022 03:01 PM (VpIIl)

Joe is a lying sack of shit. Everyone should remember that. Everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie. It's who he is.

Posted by: Sponge - FJB at April 11, 2022 03:01 PM (Zz0t1)

611 So many people on here are so pissy about Trump's poor personnel picks and quickly dismiss all that he accomplished in spite of all the headwinds he faced. How many "allies" lied to him? Remember the constant investigations, two impeachments?

You don't think his appointments were carefully orchestrated? Then tell me why Mitch McConnell never once allowed the Senate to go into recess for Trump's entire term so that he would never be able to make any recess appointments. He was surrounded by backstabbers--still is. Yet he was one of the greatest presidents we ever had.

It confounds me that so many here are angry at Trump for picking the lesser of two evils in the PA Senate primary, yet are willing to throw out a known quantity--one of the best presidents we've ever had--for God knows what. Another Romney? Another Bush?

Posted by: IrishEi at April 11, 2022 03:01 PM (VhE0u)

612 527 Pudding

Steny is NOT what the DEMs are going to want after '22.

There are 98 members of the Progressive Caucus. The new face of the DEM party after '22 is going to be an EXOTIC! Like AOC, only without all the erudition and charm.

Posted by: mnw at April 11, 2022 03:01 PM (NLIak)

613 I'm done with Trump and everyone else.

I was one of the people here who didn't side with the LIB crowd...but I don't see how it's going to turn out any other way now.

The system is rigged, it's a big club and we're not in it.

Time to prepare for the worst.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread's Stealth Account at April 11, 2022 03:01 PM (nBNUK)

614 Toomey was supposed to be the "great conservative Senate hope"...

I think maybe we imputed too much to Toomey due to him simply being the not-Specter.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 11, 2022 03:01 PM (nfrXX)

615 Comparing the president with a governor and their respective accomplishments is always a bit of a challenge because of the inherent differences in their offices and powers. Hell, even the states have different powers they give to their governors.

But if people are going to nitpick Trump constantly for things he did or didn't do then it's important that DeSantis be held to at least the same standard.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 02:59 PM (ZLI7S)

The point is, Desantis has been given a mandate from his legislature and he uses it! Faulting him for having a friendly legislature dismisses the fact that he's willing to take advantage of it. Considering the crap bags we're surrounded by, that is no footnote.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 11, 2022 03:02 PM (KbCG3)

616 Trump was great until hus last year when he panicked over COVID and let Fauci buffalo him into the lockdowns and Congress do likewise when it came to printing more money. The current crisis over inflation is partly his fault.

De Santis is better when it comes to standing on principle. He's also less flexible and can't schmooze to save his life. In sum, De Santis is the least worst choice we have.

Posted by: Ed Snyder at April 11, 2022 03:02 PM (tsUes)

617 Trump frequently chooses the wrong friends.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 11, 2022 03:02 PM (o79KT)

618 I think the plan is Newsom. Just a guess though.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2022 02:55 PM (5p7BC)

They need a Dem from a purple/swing state. There aren't a lot of good ones available now, but it really is their only hope in 2024.

They really needed to win Virginia. They won't get GA in 2022. So, their bench is exceedingly thin. I don't think the Gov. of Louisiana has enough recognition. Its bad.

Posted by: Boswell at April 11, 2022 03:02 PM (5iUNf)

619 568 Only caution with DeSantis is that he has no personal wealth, a few small kids, and a wife battling cancer. Money will he highly tempting.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at April 11, 2022 02:55 PM (GirDK)

I thought she was completely cleared of the cancer.

Posted by: m at April 11, 2022 03:02 PM (4vwwZ)

620 Trump clearly has made a mistake here. Seems pretty obvious to me anyway.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 11, 2022 03:02 PM (lgeFv)

621 But if people are going to nitpick Trump constantly for things he did or didn't do then it's important that DeSantis be held to at least the same standard.

Yeah I agree whole heartedly.

And lets be clear: people nitpicking Trump would vote for and support him again. Its just frustrating he wasn't better, but he's the best we can do these days

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 11, 2022 03:03 PM (KZzsI)

622 BTW the ATF's own spokesperson could not confirm the numbers Lettuce Brain is mumbling.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 11, 2022 03:03 PM (VpIIl)

623 Here we go again. Trump was an innocent lamb and all the mean wolves like McConnell and Ryan ate him up. But he was also awesome and all powerful and shit. Cant have it both ways.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 03:03 PM (1Kx8v)

624 The point is, Desantis has been given a mandate from his legislature and he uses it! Faulting him for having a friendly legislature dismisses the fact that he's willing to take advantage of it. Considering the crap bags we're surrounded by, that is no footnote.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 11, 2022 03:02 PM (KbCG3)

He's not faulted for it, we just don't know how things would work out with a D or GOPe legislature.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 03:03 PM (z5Vrg)

625 He is conflating all guns turned over by law enforcement because there was not a discernible serial number. That doesn't mean there wasn't one. It means they were taken off the firearm which is mostly the case..
Posted by: Marcus T at April 11, 2022 03:01 PM (VpIIl)

And/or the Bureau of Asshole Totalitarian Fascists Extraordinaire is lying as per usual. Those fucksticks hate the Bill of Rights and especially hate the Second Amendment.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 11, 2022 03:03 PM (II3Gr)

626 Trump in 2016 had zero record to run on. If you voted for Trump back then, this line of reasoning completely falls apart for me.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 11, 2022 03:00 PM (KbCG3)

He was saying things no other Republican would say. In many ways he was the FU candidate so the lack of record was part of his charm.

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 03:03 PM (dscaa)

627 Making it big in television before you try for success in politics is not a pattern anyone should follow...oh, wait.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at April 11, 2022 03:03 PM (jYQlA)

628 He is not dumb and his ego seems to be in check. He won't challenge Trump.

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To me, the only reason he would not run is because Trump only has one-term. I usually say strike while hot, and right now he is not. No guaranty he will be in 6 years.
Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at April 11, 2022 02:49 PM

Disagree. I think the iron is hot now. I thik Desantis will run. And Trump's age and term limits won't help him. Look horde. There does not need to be two teams here. There's things to like about Trump and Desantis. That's a different debate. I just think Trump made a mistake. It's as simple as that.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 11, 2022 03:03 PM (Gpfnk)

629 Trump in 2016 had zero record to run on. If you voted for Trump back then, this line of reasoning completely falls apart for me.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 11, 2022 03:00 PM (KbCG3)

I didn't vote for him the primary. I didn't actually vote at all in the general either. Trump was without a doubt a wild gamble. And the people who bet on him were right. People could be right on DeSantis, but empirically the odds are that they're wrong.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 03:01 PM (z5Vrg)

Hey, you sound like me!

That said, my options in 2024 are happily Trump, Desantis, stay home. Not necessarily in that order.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 11, 2022 03:04 PM (KbCG3)

630 Captain Whitebread in da house!

No all we need is Old Sailor's Poet!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 11, 2022 03:04 PM (H4qIP)

631 613 I'm done with Trump and everyone else.

I was one of the people here who didn't side with the LIB crowd...but I don't see how it's going to turn out any other way now.

The system is rigged, it's a big club and we're not in it.

Time to prepare for the worst.
Posted by: Captain Whitebread's Stealth Account at April 11, 2022 03:01 PM (nBNUK)

Hope is merely the first step in the journey to crushing disappointment.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 11, 2022 03:04 PM (II3Gr)

632 Here we go again. Trump was an innocent lamb and all the mean wolves like McConnell and Ryan ate him up. But he was also awesome and all powerful and shit. Cant have it both ways.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 03:03 PM (1Kx8v)

Quote people. Copy and Paste still works. Quote the same person saying these things and argue with them, instead of trying to stick it in some general weak I Win column.

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 03:04 PM (dscaa)

633 >>I still think it short sells him. But yes, it is fair to say that he has a favorable legislature. I think equally fair to say that he may be pulling said legislature to the right as he is doing the public fighting.

That's fair. But Trump had a relentlessly hostile legislature from both sides of the aisle from Day 1 and a deep state that was constantly investigating him and trying to take him down. Almost nobody tried to work with him even when he was successful.

What he actually accomplished in those 3 years prior to the virus is as good as most presidents do in 8. And that's why he has worked so hard to get candidates in the House and Senate he can actually work with instead of McConnell establishment types.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 03:05 PM (ZLI7S)

634 Here we go again. Trump was an innocent lamb and all the mean wolves like McConnell and Ryan ate him up. But he was also awesome and all powerful and shit. Cant have it both ways.

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Should Trump run and win, we can expect he will be politically stronger and will not have to worry about reelection. We would hope that would lead to better picks. It would also be a clear signal that the party is changing (as if such a signal is needed).

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at April 11, 2022 03:05 PM (sX1BW)

635 Joe X is very concerned.

Posted by: Squid at April 11, 2022 03:05 PM (6C+Gj)

636 My recollection of the Trump covid response is that he kicked it over to the governors of each state, except for the travel bans, which he could do by EOs.
Some of those governors were real flops.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 11, 2022 03:06 PM (jTmQV)

637 624 The point is, Desantis has been given a mandate from his legislature and he uses it! Faulting him for having a friendly legislature dismisses the fact that he's willing to take advantage of it. Considering the crap bags we're surrounded by, that is no footnote.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 11, 2022 03:02 PM (KbCG3)

He's not faulted for it, we just don't know how things would work out with a D or GOPe legislature.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 03:03 PM (z5Vrg)

If you're using that as a way to compare him to Trump, fine. If you're using that as a gauge of whether he should even be in the discussion, it's just penalizing him for a problem not of his own making.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 11, 2022 03:06 PM (KbCG3)

638 This country was "locking down" with or without Trump's blessing. Failing to acknowledge this is intellectually dishonest at best.

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 03:06 PM (dscaa)

639
I think maybe we imputed too much to Toomey due to him simply being the not-Specter.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 11, 2022 03:01 PM

Do you know what Specter was 100% dead on in (pretty sure the year was) 1999? He said giving permanent most favored trade status to China was a very bad idea and we would lose control. I think he was head of foreign relations committee at the time.

Other than that he was a dick.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at April 11, 2022 03:06 PM (dQvv7)

640 Jen Psaki reminds Americans to direct their anger at Putin and only Putin when they see tomorrow's 'extraordinarily elevated' inflation data

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You've been warned.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I am not a biologist at April 11, 2022 03:06 PM (FVME7)

641 US Senators cannot lead or manage a grocery run to Winn-Dixie much less a complex and, what was already apparent at the time, antagonistic department of egotistical attorneys.

Posted by: Boswell
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Sessions way back when was Alabama State AG and was nominated for a district judgeship which the Dems blocked in the Senate. Ran and won after Dem Senator Howard Heflin retired I believe.

So, he had done the job but only at the state level in a conservative state.

Posted by: whig at April 11, 2022 03:07 PM (Iq9dF)

642 Have never been a Trump fan from the day I became aware of him in the early 80's. That said it's a binary choice and I defended him every chance I got after he was elected and refrained from any harsh criticism as it was just fuel for the enemies of America. I dislike the circular firing squad the Right likes to participate in but concede it's part of our individualism. Our best and worst trait depending on the goal.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 11, 2022 03:07 PM (Gzbwp)

643 632

See 611 for example.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 03:07 PM (1Kx8v)

644 America as a nation can be described in a single word.

Ahzzzinfutzismble........

- - Joe 'Aneurysm' Biden

Posted by: Sponge - FJB at April 11, 2022 03:07 PM (Zz0t1)

645 636 My recollection of the Trump covid response is that he kicked it over to the governors of each state, except for the travel bans, which he could do by EOs.
Some of those governors were real flops.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 11, 2022 03:06 PM (jTmQV)

Trump is seemingly a staunch believer in federalism. This has its advantages and disadvantages. In the present hour I would prefer someone more Pinochet-like but oh well.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 03:07 PM (z5Vrg)

646 And lets be clear: people nitpicking Trump would vote for and support him again. Its just frustrating he wasn't better, but he's the best we can do these days
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 11, 2022 03:03 PM

Agreed. Neither one is above criticism. It also doesn't mean if one does that they are some leftist in disguise McConnel, Bush type Gopee'er. I'd vote for either, that doesn't mean we can't criticize. This is not two teams against each other.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 11, 2022 03:07 PM (Gpfnk)

647 The criticism of Trumps personnel choices is not nitpicking. His failure to see turncoats for what they were was a major failing.

The Oz endorsement says he learned nothing from it.

Trump endorsed Romney. Romney!

Posted by: blaster at April 11, 2022 03:07 PM (9otr5)

648 Disagree. I think the iron is hot now. I thik Desantis will run. And Trump's age and term limits won't help him.

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Oh, I think the iron is extremely hot for DeSantis. I don't know if he will run or not, but if he does, I would not count him out.

My only point is I think if he doesn't run it is merely because Trump can only be a one-termer (this go round). He wouldn't be waiting 8 years. Just four.

Still he may very well decide to run. If he does, let them duke it out.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at April 11, 2022 03:07 PM (sX1BW)

649 I really think that Donald Trump came into office believing that he was someone who could bridge the gap, heal the divide, mend fences, whatever you want to call it. He did not see himself as a "conservative" so much as someone who just didn't like getting screwed over, which he expanded to include his country. The "There were good people on both sides" comment after the manufactured events at Charlottesville, VA should piss us off more than it pissed off the Marxists, and it sort of shows where his head was at. He thought he could reasonably argue with imbeciles and Leftists. Nope. He was, I believe, genuinely surprised at how deeply disloyal and underhanded former Generals are and at how flaming useless most politicians really are. He likes power and influence, wears clean socks and underwear everyday, and appreciates the perks that money brings. He was not, and is not, going to give those things up. While I appreciate most of what he did and most of what he tried to get done, he was not the hardened, fearless soul that it's going to take to keep the world's last pocket of individual liberty viable.

Posted by: Erik In Texas at April 11, 2022 03:07 PM (2Jd8G)

650 He didn't have to endorse anyone.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at April 11, 2022 03:07 PM (sI15f)

651 Florida has a bit of self-reinforcing momentum now however it got there. And DeSantis has been instrumental in maintaining it. He has pushed further right; the Legislature has pushed further right along with him. Outwardly, confidently, and publicly.

And now the public voting class is supporting it and growing both internally and by other state emigres. Success breeds success.

DeSantis clearly deserves credit for being the face of conservatism in FL and beyond. He's earning his own position without Trump. I hope huge, bigly success for both headliners.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at April 11, 2022 03:08 PM (aXxgO)

652 Jen Psaki reminds Americans to direct their anger at Putin and only Putin when they see tomorrow's 'extraordinarily elevated' inflation data

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Raggedy Jen is apparently not aware that recent polling shows that Americans aren't buying "Putin's inflation" and "Putin's price hikes."

Posted by: Lady in Black at April 11, 2022 03:08 PM (sVtYq)

653 There was quite a bit of support for that shit Bolton on this blog before he burned out in office.

Most of us did not understand how many deranged assholes existed in DC that purportedly were on 'our' side.
Posted by: whig at April 11, 2022 02:01 PM (Iq9dF)
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Yeah, sadly, I was a fan of his during the "W" years.

Posted by: Darth Randall at April 11, 2022 03:08 PM (3TihK)

654 I was one of the people here who didn't side with the LIB crowd...but I don't see how it's going to turn out any other way now.

Yeah let it burn was never about Wheeee! I love burning! It was just a recognition that there's no other path forward. And the fire hurts and destroys, as we can see happening.

He is conflating all guns turned over by law enforcement because there was not a discernible serial number

He's just being Joe Biden and making crap up because he's done it for 50 years and nobody ever really calls him on it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 11, 2022 03:08 PM (KZzsI)

655 635

Yes I am. If Trump is te nominee in 2024 we have 8 years of Kumala to deal with. So yea very fucking concerned.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 03:08 PM (1Kx8v)

656 643 632

See 611 for example.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 03:07 PM (1Kx8v)

He's doing the best he can in a tough environment. That hardly endorses him as both messianic and impotent.

The hope here in fact seems to be that DeSantis will be some sort of SuperPresident.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 03:08 PM (z5Vrg)

657 So many people on here are so pissy about Trump's poor personnel picks and quickly dismiss all that he accomplished in spite of all the headwinds he faced. How many "allies" lied to him? Remember the constant investigations, two impeachments?

In December of 2020, when people who actually liked him were feeding him evidence about who was backstabbing him on stopping the steal, he decided that he knew best and that the backstabbers were fine people because he'd talked to them and knew.

It's expected that some of his picks would be bad. The problem is defending them after they're proven to be bad.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2022 03:09 PM (ZGrMX)

658 Did Trump nominate any justices because of skin color, gender or pro-pedo record?

Jesus tiddy diddlin cheerist.

Posted by: Regular joe at April 11, 2022 03:09 PM (nnp+f)

659 Sessions . . . was nominated for a district judgeship which the Dems blocked in the Senate.

Which was why he damn well should have been savvy to lawfare shenanigans. But he wasn't. His learning curve was a flat line.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 11, 2022 03:09 PM (ppBhU)

660 "Muscular non-interventionism." Is what is biblically known as meekness. Where one knows they have the power to kill, plunder, and destroy one's enemy but chooses to deal with them forthrightly to obtain what is beneficial to them both.
A meek person was someone who had their Strength and Passions under control and used their gifts to be a servant of the people rather than to serve oneself.

Posted by: Spiff The Spaceman at April 11, 2022 03:10 PM (lfSFb)

661 He was not the hardened, fearless soul that it's going to take to keep the world's last pocket of individual liberty viable.
Posted by: Erik In Texas at April 11, 2022 03:07 PM (2Jd8G)

As far as I can tell that candidate isn't on the table.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at April 11, 2022 03:10 PM (z5Vrg)

662 Mehmet, Mehmet, a frog ?

Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 11, 2022 03:10 PM (iWIqo)

663 Oz helped Trump during the election, this endorsement is his reward. Of course, none of this makes Oz a remotely good candidate.

Posted by: Surfperch at April 11, 2022 03:11 PM (eRVYd)

664 He's just being Joe Biden and making crap up because he's done it for 50 years and nobody ever really calls him on it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 11, 2022 03:08 PM (KZzsI)

Joe Biden has never said one thing publicly he hadn't already pulled directly from his arse and licked clean first.

And, yes, nobody ever calls him on it.

Posted by: CZ = FNG To Remain Silent Because, FNG at April 11, 2022 03:11 PM (MkuC5)

665 Jen Psaki reminds Americans to direct their anger at Putin and only Putin when they see tomorrow's 'extraordinarily elevated' inflation data
.........

Huh. Could've sworn Joe was preezy, not Vlad.

Posted by: wth at April 11, 2022 03:11 PM (v0R5T)

666 Transgender teacher tells 6-year-old students about transgenderism, says doctors make a "guess" about whether a baby is a boy or a girl

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Yeah, doctors! Who'd trust those bastards?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I am not a biologist at April 11, 2022 03:11 PM (FVME7)

667 Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 03:07 PM (1Kx8v)

Ok. I read it. Your summation:

"Trump was an innocent lamb and all the mean wolves like McConnell and Ryan ate him up. "

Far be it from me to argue for someone else, but IrishEi didn't say he got "ate up". IrishEi said he was a great president in spite of all the scum around him. That's a very different argument than your characterization.

Posted by: ... at April 11, 2022 03:11 PM (dscaa)

668 Trump staunch supporters have a habit of giving Trump all the credit on positive outcomes but none of the blame on negative outcomes.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 11, 2022 03:11 PM (Gzbwp)

669 Finally, we can all agree OrangeMan Bad!

Posted by: NPC_10111001 at April 11, 2022 03:11 PM (a3Q+t)

670 I dont expect DeSantis to be perfect. Reagan did a lot of stupid shit too. Pobody is nerfect. However, I think he can be very good.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 03:12 PM (1Kx8v)

671 Transgender teacher tells 6-year-old students about transgenderism, says doctors make a "guess" about whether a baby is a boy or a girl

Well, doctors aren't biologists.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2022 03:12 PM (ZGrMX)

672 There's a New Musky thread up, you miscreants

Posted by: kallisto at April 11, 2022 03:12 PM (DJFLF)

673 Jen Psaki reminds Americans to direct their anger at Putin and only Putin when they see tomorrow's 'extraordinarily elevated' inflation data
.........

Huh. Could've sworn Joe was preezy, not Vlad.
Posted by: wth

Inflation is only because of Vlad's war.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 11, 2022 03:12 PM (H4qIP)

674 My recollection of the Trump covid response is that he kicked it over to the governors of each state,...

And then publicly criticized the governors who made choices he disagreed with. Like DeSantis.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 11, 2022 03:12 PM (nfrXX)

675 Transgender teacher tells 6-year-old students about transgenderism, says doctors make a "guess" about whether a baby is a boy or a girl

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Yeah, doctors! Who'd trust those bastards?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I am not a biologist at April 11, 2022 03:11 PM

That tranny teacher is a genius with no penis!

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 11, 2022 03:12 PM (Gpfnk)

676 My recollection of the Trump covid response is that he kicked it over to the governors of each state, except for the travel bans, which he could do by EOs.

Yeah, what Trump actually did as president was pretty good in regards to dealing with what people believed was going on early on. His mistake was giving Fauchi and Birx so much screen time, credibility, and position. He should have had other people up there with better credentials and judgment.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 11, 2022 03:12 PM (KZzsI)

677 I'm glad ace set this trap to root out all the Never-Trumpers, well played sir.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 11, 2022 03:13 PM (gZgHO)

678 Nood.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at April 11, 2022 03:13 PM (khAeP)

679 661 They are not.

Posted by: Erik In Texas at April 11, 2022 03:13 PM (2Jd8G)

680 RedState is citing an Axios report that tomorrow's inflation number is 8.4%, up from 7.9% last month.

http://bitly.ws/qfhy

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at April 11, 2022 03:13 PM (sWM8x)

681 >>Trump staunch supporters have a habit of giving Trump all the credit on positive outcomes but none of the blame on negative outcomes.

Fortunately, staunch Bush supporters or supporters of any other office holder don't have this affliction.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 03:13 PM (ZLI7S)

682 Nood. A Musky one.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 11, 2022 03:13 PM (a3Q+t)

683 Fortunately, staunch Bush supporters or supporters of any other office holder don't have this affliction.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2022 03:13 PM (ZLI7S)

No to the degree you guys have.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 11, 2022 03:16 PM (Gzbwp)

684 So, he had done the job but only at the state level in a conservative state.
Posted by: whig at April 11, 2022 03:07 PM (Iq9dF)

Senators get flabby and rest upon staff. Unfortunately, I have meet more than my share of their "staff" when we pursued lobbying - it's really a hand shaking, non-working shit show of misfunctioning make-work project on the tax payers' dime - I could hire a team of lawyers to write the entire legislative agenda for their entire year in about 10 days if you gave me $500K. Its all the log rolling, awards dinners, fund raisers and special interest glad handing that Senator Blowhard spends all his time at...that type of person is not running any department, much less the DOJ, efficiently and effectively for the Commander in Cheif.

Posted by: Boswell at April 11, 2022 03:16 PM (5iUNf)

685 See 611 for example.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 11, 2022 03:07 PM (1Kx8v)
~~~~~

I might be upset if I didn't know where you were coming from, but I have been enduring your obnoxious comments for the past few weeks.

Posted by: IrishEi at April 11, 2022 03:17 PM (VhE0u)

686 597 What's bs there? Seriously; I don't know.
Posted by: m

Ghost guns are homemade. NOT guns with serial numbers filed off. The government is intentionally conflating the two.

No way 20,000 homemade guns were recovered from crime scenes. Biggest reason? It's beyond the crackhead's skill set to make them.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 11, 2022 02:59 PM (H4qIP)

Thanks.

Posted by: m at April 11, 2022 03:17 PM (4vwwZ)

687 Mistake. Shows Trump not capable of learning

Posted by: Gonzotx at April 11, 2022 03:17 PM (t4poC)

688 Senators get flabby and rest upon staff. Unfortunately, I have meet more than my share of their "staff" when we pursued lobbying - it's really a hand shaking, non-working shit show of misfunctioning make-work project on the tax payers' dime - I could hire a team of lawyers to write the entire legislative agenda for their entire year in about 10 days if you gave me $500K. Its all the log rolling, awards dinners, fund raisers and special interest glad handing that Senator Blowhard spends all his time at...that type of person is not running any department, much less the DOJ, efficiently and effectively for the Commander in Cheif. Posted by: Boswell
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That is very true but unfortunately, the team of lawyers writing legislation is a fact but they are mainly former staffers writing that legislation for whatever special interest group wants it. Senators and Reps nowadays act as salespersons for that legislation rather than actually engaged in the fine print. Leadership of both parties sell lawmaking rights to interest groups in return for campaign contributions and employment/benefit grift from those interests.

Posted by: whig at April 11, 2022 03:19 PM (Iq9dF)

689 I thought it was tres gauche to troll your own blog

Posted by: REDACTED at April 11, 2022 03:20 PM (us2H3)

690 636 My recollection of the Trump covid response is that he kicked it over to the governors of each state, except for the travel bans, which he could do by EOs.
Some of those governors were real flops.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 11, 2022 03:06 PM (jTmQV)

#metoo

Posted by: m at April 11, 2022 03:24 PM (4vwwZ)

691 Leadership of both parties sell lawmaking rights to interest groups in return for campaign contributions and employment/benefit grift from those interests.
Posted by: whig at April 11, 2022 03:19 PM (Iq9dF)

Yes, of course you need or want lawyers who represent the US's interests to help write legislation that is not only Constitutional but representative of the people who elected their Congressional Representatives.

My comment was really meant to go towards Sessions' ability, drive, focus and energy he needed to manage and drive the DOJ. Senators are not known for this drive and their staff do a lot of "planning for events" - if you know what I mean.

Posted by: Boswell at April 11, 2022 03:26 PM (5iUNf)

692 off,sock

Posted by: Chuck C at April 11, 2022 03:34 PM (EughT)

693 I should pay more attention to this seat as I live in Pennsylvania... I wish it were Sean Parnell, but that is not to be...

Posted by: Baldy at April 11, 2022 03:34 PM (ov3Rn)

694 Besides great economic growth, energy independence, Supreme Court justices, standing up to the Deep State and lots of insults hurled at the Dems, what has Donald Trump ever done for us?

And an effective foreign policy. And lower taxes. But besides all that, what has Donald Trump done for us?

and building the d*mned wall

Posted by: free tibet at April 11, 2022 03:39 PM (CL76w)

695 Gotta say, this latest endorsement doesn't thrill me to the marrow.

Posted by: Biggyrat at April 11, 2022 03:40 PM (0G4sv)

696 i always thought one of the weakest aspects of Pres. Trump was his personnel choices. He picked John Bolton as is National Security Advisor from watching him on Hannity. Bolton is a neo-con and always puts himself first and clashed with Trump from minute one. I've heard Trump endorsed Oz because they got along at a dinner at Mira-Lago and Melania likes him. Trump doesn't do "principles" well, he does everything by gut feel. This endorsement shows me that Trump hasn't learned any lessons on the importance of personnel choices to accomplishing outcomes.

Posted by: Monica at April 11, 2022 03:40 PM (5uslS)

697 ""611 How many "allies" lied to him? Remember the constant investigations, two impeachments?""

Trump accomplished a lot, but he deserves zero grace for his bad allies. He not only picked all of them, he kept most of them. 100 million people could have told him that Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell were never going to fund the border wall unless he held a shutdown to their head and counted down from 5. Nobody told him that Rudy Giuliani was a real lawyer; he decided that by watching TV. His campaign people blew the better part of a billion dollars on even worse campaign consultants and re-raising operations than Mittens.
The career DOJ-crats were all traitors, sure, but he had 4 years to clear them out. All this is by way of saying: why would anyone expect anything will change this time? FFS, he was still relying on Mike Pence in the calendar year 2021.

Posted by: Haruspex at April 11, 2022 03:41 PM (JHRJs)

698 Huge Trump supporter here. But he does shoot himself in the foot. He's not always right.

My support for him doesn't waver but he's not God. He's human. And the endorsement of Oz is very stupid. The criticism is legit and I have no problem with people teeing off on him.

What I won't do is throw him under the bus.

Posted by: Jim P at April 11, 2022 03:51 PM (v2iao)

699 I'd be ok losing a senate seat to avoid Dr. Oz stabbing us in the back. At least the Democrat is honest about it, plus we'll retake both Georgia seats soon if the Georgia GOPe don't fuck it up.

Posted by: Mr Fabulist at April 11, 2022 04:01 PM (weZOS)

700 Trump picked Pompeo, Grenell, Mulvaney, Patel, Miller , McEnany, more I can't remember. McConnel NEVER let the senate go into recess so no recess appointments.

Posted by: free tibet at April 11, 2022 04:04 PM (CL76w)

701 So who is worse ? McCormick - a hedge fund CEO and former member of the GWB administration ?

Or Oz ?

I'm going for establishment shill, McCormick. Just a guess.

Posted by: deadrody at April 11, 2022 04:13 PM (SnywI)

702 I think Trump actually thought that people would, you know, do their job. Protect and defend the USA against all enemies foreign and domestic. They didn't.

Posted by: free tibet at April 11, 2022 04:21 PM (CL76w)

703 And, contrary to the new sidebar comment, waiting to endorse until after the primary is a too little, too late.

Like, OBVIOUSLY Trump would endorse the GOP nominee, unless they were a confirmed establishment shill (like McCormick??).

It isn't a worthwhile endorsement unless it comes in the primary, frankly

Posted by: deadrody at April 11, 2022 04:25 PM (SnywI)

704 701 Oz is bad enough that I actually have to think about it, but you're not wrong and it's not a great situation.

Ultimately I'm just going to vote for Jeff Bartos because I don't actually care whether an out-and-proud Oprah liberal like Oz or a conniving McConnellite CoC plant like McCormick wins the nomination. If I had the deciding vote I still wouldn't care.

Posted by: Haruspex at April 11, 2022 04:30 PM (JHRJs)

705 Arrived late to the conversation but Oz is an endorsement that severely bruises the Trump brand--the gold standard of endorsements.

Unforced, unnecessary and unhelpful endorsement.

Posted by: Voter theater. at April 11, 2022 04:41 PM (FCPbW)

706 Trump has always been two things:

(a) a zionist
(b) a television performer

And was a loudly pro-choice liberal (as was Kushner) until 2011.

He never pretended to be anything besides that.

Posted by: Mateo at April 11, 2022 04:51 PM (blR7B)

707 Good opportunity to move on from Donaldus Magnus.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at April 11, 2022 05:27 PM (vN+oL)

708 As a PA resident, Oz is probably about as good as we are going to get. Toomey? Puhleaze. Santorum? Get back to me when something either of them gets passed.

Won't vote for Oz in the primary (it's closed, so he might not make it out), but in the general he'll probably do better than the rest.

Also, he's a bit of a prick, and seems like he holds grudges. Biden and the left turned on him. Maybe, in a better world, he got a come to Jesus talking to be Trump, and the NY Dem Turned Conservative as kicker might repeat? We can hope.

Posted by: Legion of Boom at April 11, 2022 05:28 PM (HlStW)

709 Oh, I'm well aware Santorum is not a Senator. But he was useless. Less annoying than Spector, and marginally more conservative, but Scott Walker level 'get things done until it's really important'

Posted by: Legion of Boom at April 11, 2022 05:30 PM (HlStW)

710 Ace, I believe you forgot to mention "Dr" Oz !any years long history with trans children.
Search Dr Oz trans children.

Posted by: tootsie with a child's drip at April 11, 2022 06:18 PM (dfXJt)

711 WHY?

Because Trump has NEVER BEEN A CONSERVATIVE, that's why. He happens to be pro-America, and that makes him look comparatively conservative when up against Bernie and AOC. But he has NEVER been a real conservative, if you define it by the DoI, the Constitution, morals, and the principles of federalism.

You can appreciate him and how he put a pause in the progressive "arc of history", and vote for him, without thinking he's a conservative.

Posted by: GWB at April 11, 2022 06:29 PM (D/wPf)

712 557 Okay, I've lost track of the thread after sooooo many comments, but I want to say this:

THIS is what honest debate looks like.

And IT is fucking healthy.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 11, 2022 02:54 PM (F0YaR)

This!!! One of the reasons I read the comments here is because there is a lot of interesting back and forth between morons that is generally polite and well-thought out. I've been exposed to quite a few different perspectives, and that is good for every one of us. One of the reasons I don't read the comments that often is that I tend to lose track of the time and fail to get stuff done that I had planned to do. Like today. Will have to mow the lawn tomorrow.

Posted by: Retired, thank God at April 11, 2022 06:31 PM (oMNay)

713 I'm disappointed.
I was sure Trump would endorse either Dr Phil or Ruth Westheimer.

FJB

Posted by: jbspry at April 11, 2022 07:53 PM (ATe9j)

714 I am here to appreciate Dr. Enato for using his herbal medicine to cure me from Herpes virus. For 4 years now I have been living with this virus and it has been giving me challenges, I was so perplexed because I have been taking several drugs to be cured but all of my effort was in vain. One morning I was browsing through the internet then I saw several testimonies about Dr. Enato cures people from Herpes virus and other kinds of disease so immediately i contacted him on his email: dr.enatoherbalcure@gmail.com and explained my troubles to him then he assured me that he will cure me, he gave me some instructions which i followed. Then he prepared herbal medicine and sent it to me which I used for 3 weeks. Everything was like a dream to me when I discovered that the Herpes virus was totally gone, I hereby recommend Dr. Enato to everyone suffering from herpes or any kind of disease he has a cure for them all. Also he is a very good and honest Doctor. contact him with this email address: dr.enatoherbalcure@gmail.com or you whatsapp him on +2348071351544 or via his website �https://drenatoherbalcure.simdif.com/�https://drenatoherbalcure.simdif.com/

Posted by: Dora Roland at April 11, 2022 10:03 PM (7kXIs)

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