They Are Playing With Primal Forces [Joe Mannix]

I don't know about you folks, but I like living in an industrial civilization. I like the relative ease of life. I like the comforts. I like the tools. I like my long lifespan. I like my generally high level of health. I like the world of plenty that we have built. Industrial civilization is a truly remarkable and incredible development.

But industrial civilization is not magic, it is not the result of blind luck and it is not invincible. Industrial civilization has certain prerequisites, and we discovered and developed them over time thanks to enormous effort. Interestingly - though perhaps unsurprisingly - these prerequisites also overlap significantly with basic public health development. Our long lifespans, low levels of disease and generally high degree of health all tie in to the same great enablers of our industrial way of life.

The core requirements for industrial civilization are clean water, sanitation, refrigeration and transportation. The first three are also essential to the remarkable levels of public health we all enjoy. Clean water and the water treatment and distribution systems that deliver it keeps disease at bay and keeps us alive and healthy - and able to produce. Public sanitation was one of the most important developments of the 19th and 20th centuries. Public sewer systems, wastewater treatment and the management of trash handling and removal have probably done more for public health and workforce productivity than antibiotics and industrial management techniques. Refrigeration keeps our food from spoiling and improves access to food. Transportation lets us get stuff - especially food and other critical supplies - from where they are to where they're needed.

These four things are the cornerstones of our industrial civilization and our health. Without all of these things being present, maintained and working literally all of the time, the world as we know it ends. Everything else is downstream from and dependent on these four pillars. The synthetic fabrics that last a long time, the televisions that entertain us, the phones and computers that connect us, the ready access to metals, the tools of our daily lives - everything is made possible by these cornerstones.

Those cornerstones have something in common. Like everything, they depend on human ingenuity and labor and various input materials but more than that, they all depend on energy.

All of our civilization's cornerstones depend on enormous quantities of stable, reliable, affordable, standardized energy that is consistently delivered and always available. A power outage to your home due to unreliable infrastructure or rolling blackouts because of inadequate supply are grossly inconvenient and irritating for people in their homes. They are an unacceptable disaster if they hit the cornerstones and if the hits keep coming, those cornerstones will crumble and the modern world - the world we have enjoyed since the 19th century - ends.

The green energy crowd apparently doesn't understand any of this. They think unreliable power is a manageable problem. People can use batteries or do without their iPhones if needed. This is true, insofar as we are talking about individuals. This assumption does not hold up when we're talking about the pillars of the world as we know it. They need the energy to flow and flow constantly while remaining stable and affordable. If that doesn't happen, we're drinking bad water (if we have water at all), we're stewing in filth, trash is everywhere, our food is rotten and we are limited to what we can get within walking distance (or, if you're rich, a day or two's horseback ride).

The green energy crowd that focuses only on vague notions of "The Environment" or "Carbon" are recklessly playing with the primal forces that underpin everything in our world. They are children playing with matches, and if they aren't stopped, they'll burn the house down.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 12:00 PM




Comments

(Jump to bottom of page)

1 I'll fetch em

Posted by: Skip at April 10, 2022 12:01 PM (2JoB8)

2 The left is not particularly smart

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 10, 2022 12:03 PM (Irn0L)

3 Only after all those core requirements are in hand can idle minds wonder.

Posted by: Skip at April 10, 2022 12:03 PM (2JoB8)

4
tinyurl.com/wm3d6w9y the leftists hate innovation, despite saying they are in favor of it

Posted by: jeff at April 10, 2022 12:04 PM (+4Xcc)

5 The left is not particularly smart
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 10, 2022 12:03 PM (Irn0L)
++++
Some of them are, albeit diabolical. Most of them do appear to be useful idiots.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 10, 2022 12:04 PM (DU+/6)

6 Some of that crowd WANT to burn the house down. They believe if human population is reduced to a percent or less of current numbers the earth will become a garden of Eden.

Crazy idiots.

Posted by: PaleRider, simply irredeemable at April 10, 2022 12:05 PM (3cGpq)

7 Some of that crowd WANT to burn the house down. They believe if human population is reduced to a percent or less of current numbers the earth will become a garden of Eden.

Crazy idiots.
Posted by: PaleRider, simply irredeemable at April 10, 2022 12:05 PM (3cGpq)
++++
What they'll get is a garden covered in trash and feces without a drop of clean water, in which they live on poor-quality starvation rations.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 10, 2022 12:07 PM (DU+/6)

8 "The green energy crowd apparently doesn't understand any of this. They think unreliable power is a manageable problem"

There are plenty of useful idiots - as always - but those driving the renewable energy retardation know exactly what they're doing.

It's deliberate. You know what people without 24/7 power and personal transportation are?

They're serfs. This is by design. The progs have been telegraphing for a few years now that they intend for the peasants to have rotating power availability and to ratchet up the cost of transport and vehicle ownership - driving population into urban areas and providing leverage over the holdouts.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at April 10, 2022 12:09 PM (geKVs)

9 My mom,82, says electricity, plastic and stainless steel are the most important things in a woman's life. IOW, the products of an industrial society, not the society that produces them.
I read el Gato Malo today and worry about my wife with one J&J. My mother got both J&J but is a hard no on getting another.
We are ruled by a death cult.

Posted by: Jamaica Queens at April 10, 2022 12:09 PM (b+v9B)

10 I don't know about you folks, but I like living in an industrial civilization.

We can stop right there. Seriously. Let's just unpack your first statement.

Is "industrialized" - as you name it - even preferable ? Like a lot of things, depends on the value set of the individual. Some will certainly prefer it. Some won't. Some will regret their earlier preference. Buyer's Remorse, if you will.

And given a blank sheet of paper, even those that agree with you will differ on the definition of "industrialized". Then they'll not agree at all, and argue about the definition. The Devil always lurks in the details.

This, right here, is where both ideologies fail. The declaration of a preference - and the assumption that anyone with a differing preference must be mad.

Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:09 PM (46g+/)

11 Anybody touting "GREEN ENERGY!" is crooked or stupid. Manipulate them if you can. They deserve a stern hosing.

Posted by: klaftern at April 10, 2022 12:10 PM (taPSh)

12 My mom,82, says electricity, plastic and stainless steel are the most important things in a woman's life. IOW, the products of an industrial society, not the society that produces them. ...
Posted by: Jamaica Queens at April 10, 2022 12:09 PM (b+v9B)
++++
They are so ubiquitous that they can be - and are- taken for granted. Plastics in particular were a public health game-changer. Plastic blags to contain our garbage and make it transportable. Plastic films to act as barriers between our food and the wider world. Plastic containers to keep liquids and solids clean and pure.

The war on "single-use plastics" is a war on public health.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 10, 2022 12:12 PM (DU+/6)

13 It is probably the global warming fight where the intentional perversion of science, and the descent into "Scientism" began. It was always hokum, and a lot of motives combining; the desire for a "new enemy" after the Communist Bloc fell, the desire of the Marxists to keep their movement going, simple greed by many who saw this as a great new source of profits and funding.

The other side used to seriously try to "prove" their case; after the "Climategate" incident, where the fraud was proved, the warmists and the MSM simply quit trying to prove anything. Instead, they declared their beliefs to be sacrosanct and began canceling anyone in academia who dared to express dissent.

It really was the test run for everything they've done since.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 10, 2022 12:12 PM (q3gwH)

14 You know that and I know that Joe. When lifespans are short and iffy people usually try to have more kids.

But if they could remove "nasty humans" the result would not be some lovely garden. It would be vast swaths of noxious weeds that crowded out the plants that critters eat.

Posted by: PaleRider, simply irredeemable at April 10, 2022 12:12 PM (3cGpq)

15 I know someone in CA who lives in an area where there was a wildfire two years ago. The infrastructure is not great, and on top of that, PG&E shuts down the power any time there's "enough wind to get a kite off the ground" within a 50-mile radius. He's got a generator to keep the fridge going and power packs for his phone, but I keep telling him that he doesn't live in "civilization."

Posted by: pookysgirl, not in CA at April 10, 2022 12:13 PM (XKZwp)

16 The green energy crowd apparently doesn't understand any of this.

Oh they understand it all right. The green crowd also overwhelmingly sees humanity as a parasite on Gaia that must be cured, and they know full well what will happen to our (talking about all of western civilization at this point) food and water stops flowing.

Posted by: Methos at April 10, 2022 12:14 PM (kOpft)

17 They think there's too many people and by burning the house down the number of people can be cut back to what they consider a "manageable" level.

They also think that they won't be affected in any way.

So called "Green energy" is just another front for totalitarianism.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at April 10, 2022 12:14 PM (SchxB)

18 But if they could remove "nasty humans" the result would not be some lovely garden. It would be vast swaths of noxious weeds that crowded out the plants that critters eat.

The Ruling Class doesn't want to get rid of all nasty humans. Only the stiff-necked, non-servile humans that insist on eating "too much" and owning their own means of production. They want more share-croppers.

Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:14 PM (46g+/)

19 This, right here, is where both ideologies fail. The declaration of a preference - and the assumption that anyone with a differing preference must be mad.
Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:09 PM (46g+/)
++++
I don't insist that you agree with me. That is why I did not open with "Like you, I..." I prefer to live in the modern world as opposed to a pre-modern one. That preference is to a degree pre-conceived as I have not lived in the pre-modern world and thus must attempt to compare based on knowledge of the prior way of life vs. the way I have directly experienced, but that leads me to my conclusion that I would rather have a functional industrial civilization than a functional pre-industrial one.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 10, 2022 12:15 PM (DU+/6)

20 and they know full well what will happen to our (talking about all of western civilization at this point) food and water stops flowing."

I'd like to stop all electricity, food, and water flowing to Seattle and Portland for 2 or 3 weeks.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 10, 2022 12:15 PM (q3gwH)

21 "We can stop right there. Seriously. Let's just unpack your first statement.

Is "industrialized" - as you name it - even preferable ? Like a lot of things, depends on the value set of the individual. Some will certainly prefer it. Some won't. Some will regret their earlier preference. Buyer's Remorse, if you will.

And given a blank sheet of paper, even those that agree with you will differ on the definition of "industrialized". Then they'll not agree at all, and argue about the definition. The Devil always lurks in the details.

This, right here, is where both ideologies fail. The declaration of a preference - and the assumption that anyone with a differing preference must be mad.
Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:09 PM (46g+/)"

Nah, the granola munchers who think they can continue anything remotely resembling a first-world standard of living by combining some windmills, extra diligence in sorting their recycles, and hand-waving - those are people are a combination of delusional and just plain fucking retarded.

Logistics and production can be a preference, but it's a preference that involves more than the useful idiots realize.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at April 10, 2022 12:15 PM (geKVs)

22 Good essay. Yes, energy is life and the Left is obsessed with seizing and keeping power through controlling energy production, distribution and usage. It has zero to do with green anything except grift for them.

Posted by: Erik In Texas at April 10, 2022 12:16 PM (E0Qtv)

23 Energy is life. Take away from cheap, abundant, reliable at your peril.

Great post, Joe. Could use a couple pics of Power Girl to emphasize the points.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 10, 2022 12:16 PM (4I/2K)

24 I honestly dont care if my power comes from oil or coal or nuclear fission or windmills or water turbines or worm farts. I want it to be as honestly clean as humanly possible, and I want the effort-to-kilowatt equation to be worthwhile.

What the Greens dont seem to realize is that you cant exchange WISHES for REALITIES. Wind turbines and acres of solar panels powering electric vehicles are treated as a panacea, with no regard for their shortcomings. Climate panic, induced by a 16 yr old Dutch girl and her hairy-armpit acolytes is no reason to upend FUNCTIONING energy policies.

Pursue efficiency and ever-cleaner sources, but replace like for like, not excellent for insufficient.

Posted by: red speck at April 10, 2022 12:16 PM (gS3OW)

25 Nah, the granola munchers who think they can continue anything remotely resembling a first-world standard of living by combining some windmills, extra diligence in sorting their recycles, and hand-waving - those are people are a combination of delusional and just plain fucking retarded. ...
Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at April 10, 2022 12:15 PM (geKVs)
++++
And that's the rub, and thanks for pointing that out. I neglected to do so. The "green movement" thinks it can have it's cake and eat it, too. They want the world more or less as it is from a material standpoint, but without the energy and labor and materials that drive it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 10, 2022 12:18 PM (DU+/6)

26 Cow farts > worm farts

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 10, 2022 12:18 PM (X0j02)

27 The quiet assumption among a number of Pacific Northwest electric utility analysts is that the push for "100% renewables" will continue until California suffers a catastrophic multiday blackout, at which point the rules will change.

California is in the process of closing its remaining nuclear and fossil fuel plants, while relying on electrical imports from the Pacific Northwest and Southwest to back up California's renewables. These imports come on over long transmission lines, which can fail, particularly when the system is stressed.

The last time the transmission lines from the Pacific Northwest failed in the late 1990s, resulting in a major blackout, there was enough nuclear and fossil fuel electrical generation inside of California to restore the system. This is no longer the case.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 10, 2022 12:18 PM (I2/tG)

28 Nah, the granola munchers who think they can continue anything remotely resembling a first-world standard of living by combining some windmills, extra diligence in sorting their recycles, and hand-waving - those are people are a combination of delusional and just plain fucking retarded.

Remember when the Chad tried to reinvent farming?

Posted by: Methos at April 10, 2022 12:19 PM (kOpft)

29 yeah, the theme already in comments ... "It Is Deliberate"

Critical Theory by "Marxists" (largely an attack from the Soviets at first?) ... somehow our rich cartels merged with them, and expanded the tactics. Now CRT and the rest of the "class struggle" (with every race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc. being its own special class) is the New Religion, endorsed and enforced by The State (which itself is run by the shadow bosses).

China is mostly a separate player, imo. But The West (or their bankers) is still dominant. So we must be destroyed first. The commies don't mind killing their own people by the million, and Garland/Wray and the rest seem on course to do just that, if things continue to go their way (and why would it not, with the compliant vegetable in charge)?

Posted by: illiniwek at April 10, 2022 12:20 PM (Cus5s)

30 That preference is to a degree pre-conceived as I have not lived in the pre-modern world and thus must attempt to compare based on knowledge of the prior way of life vs. the way I have directly experienced, but that leads me to my conclusion that I would rather have a functional industrial civilization than a functional pre-industrial one.

Depends on the price - because, as we've seen - neither you or I get to call the tune - we can only pay our share of the piper - or sit it out.

You're still vague - get specific. What exactly is "pre-modern" or "functionally industrial" to you ? Because I can envision a regressions of decades - up to over a century - both in standard of living and technology - that would suit me just fine.

It's an academic argument - the current will is to tear everything down. We ARE going backward. What you like matters about as much as Hell's residents preference for ice-water.

Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:20 PM (46g+/)

31 Houston has had recurring problemss with flooding and power outages knocking out sewage pumping / lift stations. 'Public Works' is neither. When the pumping stations go offline, shit starts getting real, backing up into people's yards and homes.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 10, 2022 12:20 PM (4I/2K)

32 This is a good time to nag people about acquiring backup power generation while you still can; materials costs are going up, shortages continue, and the dollar keeps taking a dump.

300-500w worth of solar panels - get glass for long life, and folding ones cost a bit more but can be stashed under a bed - and a battery bank will let you run a decent amount of important stuff on an ongoing basis. Commo, phones/tablets/laptops, and some light appliances. And lights.

Can you run a house on a shoestring - no, but it's better than going back to 1850. My solar is a backup to a couple of dual-fuel generators and a ton of spare parts and related maint. stuff.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at April 10, 2022 12:21 PM (geKVs)

33 "The green energy crowd apparently doesn't understand any of this. They think unreliable power is a manageable problem"

They know exactly what they are doing. All these "smart meters" and "smart thermostats" are setting up the infrastructure for rationing electricity to the proles.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 10, 2022 12:21 PM (I2/tG)

34 I don't see how a non-industrial society can support modern levels of health care, and without a 20th century level of health care, I'd have been dead before I turned 5 years old. (so would many of us here) So, I prefer an industrialized society.

It's fun sci-fi to think of a non-industrial world where all of the benefits and toys of an industrial world are present; but I leave that to the modern versions of ST to promote.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 10, 2022 12:21 PM (q3gwH)

35 The greenies are nothing but a bunch of water walking bullies who love telling others how to live.

See the anti-smoking zealots, the food nazis, the race warlords, the MADD DADD SADD assholes, the vax police and all democrats for the same like minded jerk offs.

Fuck them all.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 10, 2022 12:22 PM (R/m4+)

36 They are children playing with matches, and if they aren't stopped, they'll burn the house down.

They have plenty of company, given the plethora of fringe whackjob crusaders out there. Having said that, I heartily agree - this is the one that can truly put everything up in flames. Great post.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 10, 2022 12:22 PM (Xrfse)

37 The last time the transmission lines from the Pacific Northwest failed in the late 1990s, resulting in a major blackout, there was enough nuclear and fossil fuel electrical generation inside of California to restore the system. This is no longer the case.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 10, 2022 12:18 PM (I2/tG)

A few sharpshooters picking off insulators on the HV transmission lines could shut down the entire state.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 10, 2022 12:23 PM (P3gRi)

38 The first four paragraphs could have led to lots of interesting places. That Mannix went for the low-hanging fruit, energy, is fine. He is completely correct about cheap energy. The late Steven Den Beste once said, "unless you are talking terrawatts, you're talking bullshit." And that is exactly what "green energy" is.

Not that it will ever happen on this site, it would be nice if someone took the same first four paragraphs, then began... "and none of this is sustainable and maintainable by a society whose average IQ is 85."

Posted by: Clayton Barnett at April 10, 2022 12:24 PM (QMNdN)

39 27 The quiet assumption among a number of Pacific Northwest electric utility analysts is that the push for "100% renewables" will continue until California suffers a catastrophic multiday blackout, at which point the rules will change."

I see the same kind of thinking everywhere among our so-called elites these days - the Truth is too hard to tell to people, so lets just bring about a crash as fast as we can so we can do what we want. You can see that reckoning coming in the Financial world very soon.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 10, 2022 12:25 PM (q3gwH)

40 Stephen Davies wrote a book, The Wealth Explosion, discussing "modernity" which he thinks came from a disruption of centralized power in the West, and the disruption of the wall between formal education and craft knowledge, which both allowed feedback between experimental and theoretical research, but also made expansion beyond formalized and traditional knowledge areas profitable and meaningful.

He also warns that it is not inevitable that things remain "modern", and mentions how the Chinese Song Dynasty almost completed a move into an industrial revolution before being conquered by the Mongols and the following Ming dynasty cracked down on innovation to cement its control over all China, similar to the way the Japanese rejected muskets.

the globalists may reject modernity if it means they can run the world like their personal caste-ridden latifundia

Posted by: Kindltot at April 10, 2022 12:26 PM (xhaym)

41 You're still vague - get specific. What exactly is "pre-modern" or "functionally industrial" to you ? Because I can envision a regressions of decades - up to over a century - both in standard of living and technology - that would suit me just fine.
It's an academic argument - the current will is to tear everything down. We ARE going backward. What you like matters about as much as Hell's residents preference for ice-water.
Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:20 PM (46g+/)
++++
The West has been industrialized to some degree in meaningful ways since the 1850s. That's a long time to play with, and I would call it closer to the later 19th century, with the development of London's sewage system and the persistent use of power to manage urban systems that radically improved the quality of life in the cities, with many of those benefits moving out to rural areas from there.

But to your latter point, yes - the opinions of any normal person are irrelevant. The state, institutional and academic will is to either tear it down, or they are indifferent as to whether it fails, or they're so ignorant and stupid that they think it won't because they believe those are just facts of nature.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 10, 2022 12:27 PM (DU+/6)

42 You're still vague - get specific. What exactly is "pre-modern" or "functionally industrial" to you ? Because I can envision a regressions of decades - up to over a century - both in standard of living and technology - that would suit me just fine.

It's an academic argument - the current will is to tear everything down. We ARE going backward. What you like matters about as much as Hell's residents preference for ice-water.
Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:20 PM (46g+/)

If you want to move to the Siberian steppes, and become a subsistence farmer, go for it!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 10, 2022 12:27 PM (P3gRi)

43 the push for "100% renewables" will continue until California suffers a catastrophic multiday blackout, at which point the rules will change

Another crisis that cannot be allowed to go to waste.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 10, 2022 12:27 PM (Xrfse)

44 World Is Silent as Palestinian Rioters Torch Josephs Tomb

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 10, 2022 12:28 PM (Irn0L)

45 If I gotta eat cereal, I'd prefer granola.

Posted by: BignJames at April 10, 2022 12:29 PM (AwYPR)

46 One of these 'green energy' companies just plead guilty to killing at least 150 bald eagles and other birds of prey in nine states with their wind turbines.

Some saving the planet.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2022 12:29 PM (7/mPk)

47 A Palestinian woman stabbed an Israeli Border Police officer at the Cave of the Patriarchs in the West Bank city of Hebron, wounding him lightly, the gendarmerie branch of the national police force said Sunday evening.
She was neutralized by Israeli forces at the scene.
According to the report, the attacker arrived at a checkpoint where the officers are stationed and stabbed the cop, the force responded by firing at her.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 10, 2022 12:29 PM (Irn0L)

48 Grampa, what is a Luddite?

Posted by: Arkansas Biden Baby at April 10, 2022 12:30 PM (Xrfse)

49 300-500w worth of solar panels

Rule of thumb is 4 hours of generation - that's 2000W. The space heater next to me, oil filled - radiant - costs 1500W.

Over eight dark hours - that 12,000 W.

Let's talk batteries. The best 200 Ah batteries used to cost $350 - that was 2400W. You'll need 5 of those, best case to run my little oil filled heater for eight hours.

And you'll need 3,000 W of solar panels to charge it, day after day, assuming I only run it at night.

Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:30 PM (46g+/)

50 the push for "100% renewables" will continue until California suffers a catastrophic multiday blackout, at which point the rules will change

the state and federal gubmint will have show trials to bankrupt, convict, and condemn the system operators and power generators for spoiling their utopian dreams.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 10, 2022 12:31 PM (4I/2K)

51 Joey Bidet is a Lickite and a Gropite.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2022 12:31 PM (7/mPk)

52 Do not overlook the possibility that the utter destruction of American civilization is their exact if unstated aim. The evidence is trending strongly in that direction.

Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at April 10, 2022 12:31 PM (z/nZY)

53 The model our elites want is one where they will have however much energy they want, and YOU will have as much as they decide you need.

Same thing with transportation, food, etc.

They don't care about "renewable" energy in the least.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 10, 2022 12:32 PM (ESjRY)

54 Do not overlook the possibility that the utter destruction of American civilization is their exact if unstated aim. The evidence is trending strongly in that direction.
Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at April 10, 2022 12:31 PM (z/nZY)

Overlook? Nah, we assume THAT is their exact intent

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 10, 2022 12:32 PM (Irn0L)

55 I'd say the more likely outcome is to pick a hated group and blame them, passing legislation and new executive orders that demonize these people for being wreckers and hoarders. They cannot and will not ever admit or even accept that their policies were bad, unless a more leftist version can be invented to slouch into.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 12:29 PM (KZzsI)

Precisely.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 10, 2022 12:33 PM (4I/2K)

56 54 Do not overlook the possibility that the utter destruction of American civilization is their exact if unstated aim. The evidence is trending strongly in that direction.
Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at April 10, 2022 12:31 PM (z/nZY)

They basically want a United Soviet States of America, with them as the politburo.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 12:33 PM (II3Gr)

57 the globalists may reject modernity if it means they can run the world like their personal caste-ridden latifundia

That's pretty much their plan, the problem is countries like Russia, China, and India, who all still have or can raise armies that get a vote on running the world.

We can probably argue over how far back they need to take us to feel like they have the level of power they desire, but I think we get conquered before we get back to full feudalism.

Posted by: Methos at April 10, 2022 12:34 PM (kOpft)

58 I laugh at the green chuckleheads. The foot soldiers of the Green Army are the same crowd at Chaz that were planting a garden on top of cardboard that had been sprinkled with dirt. They think meat comes Kroger. In their smooth brains why would energy come from a reliable source? The string pullers know it's all bullshit and just intend to line pockets.

Posted by: Fool Otto at April 10, 2022 12:34 PM (DB16e)

59 The quiet assumption among a number of Pacific Northwest electric utility analysts is that the push for "100% renewables" will continue until California suffers a catastrophic multiday blackout, at which point the rules will change."

Of course, this is affecting the Northwest as well. There is a regional agency tasked by the Federal Government with insuring that the Northwest has an adequate electrical supply. This agency had correctly noticed that the wind doesn't blow when it is very hot or very cold, and that the electrical system has to prepare for the occasional severe drought (as happened in 1973 and 2001), when the Columbia River has half the usual amount of water, with obvious effects on hydrogeneration.

So, the agency noted that wind power in the Northwest doesn't help keep the lights on in an emergency. This is a politically unacceptable conclusion, of course, so the agency is changing its assumptions to assume that wind farms will generate a lot of electricity in a crisis (with no basis in fact), and is changing its methodology so it no longer considers severe drought years in its analysis of whether there is enough electricity in the Northwest.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 10, 2022 12:34 PM (I2/tG)

60 50 Grampa, what is a Luddite?
Posted by: Arkansas Biden Baby at April 10, 2022 12:30 PM (Xrfse)

Ten percent. Same as in Dover.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 10, 2022 12:35 PM (6FeV1)

61 Over eight dark hours - that 12,000 W.

Let's talk batteries. The best 200 Ah batteries used to cost $350 - that was 2400W. You'll need 5 of those, best case to run my little oil filled heater for eight hours.

And you'll need 3,000 W of solar panels to charge it, day after day, assuming I only run it at night.
Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:30 PM (46g+/)

You are conflating units of power with units of energy. D-

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 10, 2022 12:35 PM (P3gRi)

62 World Is Silent as Palestinian Rioters Torch Josephs Tomb

...and put up a George Floyd mural?

Posted by: Methos at April 10, 2022 12:35 PM (kOpft)

63 As said Robert Heinlein in 1973,

Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded here and there, now and then are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

This is known as bad luck.

Posted by: qwerty at April 10, 2022 12:36 PM (I/SaL)

64 I think I'd add a clean source of heat in that list of industrial civilization requirements.

Posted by: Socratease at April 10, 2022 12:36 PM (oqnjT)

65 You are conflating units of power with units of energy. D-

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 10, 2022 12:35 PM (P3gRi)

Watt? Huh?

Posted by: BignJames at April 10, 2022 12:36 PM (AwYPR)

66 this is a very short article by Joel Mokyr on David Landes' work on the causes of advancement and modernity: "If we learn anything from the history of economic development it is that culture makes all the difference . . . what counts is work, thrift, honesty, patience, tenacity"


https://riseofthewest.net/thinkers/landes05.htm

Posted by: Kindltot at April 10, 2022 12:37 PM (xhaym)

67 ...and put up a George Floyd mural?
Posted by: Methos at April 10, 2022 12:35 PM (kOpft)

I'm NOT taking a pilgrimage to the Hooping Wall, i'll tell ya that much straight off.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 10, 2022 12:37 PM (6FeV1)

68 People who have been part of running ships at sea know how much effort it takes to make everything work.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 12:37 PM (u82oZ)

69 So now it is the Tomb of St. Fentanyl?

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2022 12:38 PM (7/mPk)

70 In their smooth brains why would energy come from a reliable source? The string pullers know it's all bullshit and just intend to line pockets.

I've run through the numbers on solar power generation with lefty LIVs and they just do not get it. The math is simple...but more then the energy they are will to expend on it.

And the comical thing is southern CA lefty LIVs talking about solar power is one thing...try talking with those from Chicago or Boston...in the dead of winter when everything is covered in ice and they sky is grey for days...

Posted by: 18-1 at April 10, 2022 12:38 PM (ESjRY)

71 You are conflating units of power with units of energy. D-

Would it make you feel better if I used Watt-hour ? I don't care. The math still holds.

My radiant heater requires 1500W. Over an hour - that's 1500W-hr. They layman doesn't need the distinction of the units.

My little heater requires 8 hrs x 1500W = 12,000 watt-hours to run eight hours in the dark.

You can figure out the rest. And stick your D- up your ass. And learn to calculate these things. Or be quiet. Because when talking solar panels, and batteries, one must be able to use basic fractions - and energy over time - to figure out capacities.

Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:38 PM (46g+/)

72
"Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded - here and there, now and then - are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

This is known as "bad luck."

Robert Heinlein

Posted by: a.moron at April 10, 2022 12:39 PM (F6Xpw)

73 26 Cow farts > worm farts
=======
Not if you can get enough worms farting in unison.

Posted by: Florida peasant at April 10, 2022 12:39 PM (dr4Q1)

74 68 People who have been part of running ships at sea know how much effort it takes to make everything work.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 12:37 PM (u82oZ)

We'll just import a bunch of sparks of divinity from some shithole or another to do that stuff. They're better at all that nerdy shit, anyway.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 10, 2022 12:40 PM (6FeV1)

75 https://www.frontpagemag.com/environmentalists want us freeze starve and die daniel-greenfield
https://tinyurl.com/4u84csyu

Posted by: Skip at April 10, 2022 12:40 PM (2JoB8)

76 You would think the Gaia Religion would want to bring back sailing vessels

Posted by: Skip at April 10, 2022 12:41 PM (2JoB8)

77 Posted by: Nope

You seem nice.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 10, 2022 12:41 PM (U2p+3)

78 If you want lower population counts, make women prosperous.

Healthy babies that live to adulthood is a big plus. And prosperous women do not want 6 kids.

But our elites have chosen ...unwisely.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 12:41 PM (u82oZ)

79 This is a good time to nag people about acquiring backup power generation while you still can;

Especially when California is in the process of banning small gas-powered generators.

Posted by: Socratease at April 10, 2022 12:41 PM (oqnjT)

80 Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:38 PM (46g+/)

Settle down, Beavis.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 10, 2022 12:41 PM (6FeV1)

81 Not going to disagree with any of that.

Just adding that one unfortunate, little-recognized side effect of advanced civilization is breaking the life cycle of beneficial organisms that have long worked in sync with humans to regulate the immune system.

Evidence is growing that 2-3 species of helminths (symbiotic organisms) no longer exist where humans wear shoes and use flush toilets.

Hence, the proliferation of a long list of autoimmune disorders in advanced societies, including asthma, allergies, Crohn's Disease, lupus, arthritis, Type 2 Diabetes, celiac ... it goes on. These disorders are rare in primitive societies.

There is also some evidence that multiple sclerosis and some types of autism can be mitigated with helminthic therapy.

I put a link to the wiki in my handle. I hope those of you suffering from autoimmune disorders will have a look with an open mind.

Personally, I have used helminthic therapy to eliminate lifelong allergies, and the development of arthritis that had stopped my fitness-running regimen.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at April 10, 2022 12:42 PM (5Apo4)

82 Warai-otoko

My brother, is that you? Bullshit. But nicely said bullshit. And you know it.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 12:42 PM (u82oZ)

83 You can figure out the rest. And stick your D- up your ass. And learn to calculate these things. Or be quiet. Because when talking solar panels, and batteries, one must be able to use basic fractions - and energy over time

- to figure out capacities.


Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:38 PM (46g+/)

Mr. Newton has spoken.

Posted by: BignJames at April 10, 2022 12:42 PM (AwYPR)

84 82 Warai-otoko

My brother, is that you? Bullshit. But nicely said bullshit. And you know it.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 12:42 PM (u82oZ)

I must have forgot the /sarc close tag....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 10, 2022 12:43 PM (6FeV1)

85 You can figure out the rest. And stick your D- up your ass. And learn to calculate these things. Or be quiet. Because when talking solar panels, and batteries, one must be able to use basic fractions - and energy over time - to figure out capacities.
Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:38 PM (46g+/)

Anyone foolish enough to contemplate using expensively produced solar-generated electricity, stored expensively in a battery bank, for electric space heating is bugfuck nuts. A simple woodstove will heat your hovel. Save the expensive juice for running you computer.

Grade changed to F.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 10, 2022 12:43 PM (P3gRi)

86 The biggest hidden problem with solar cells is that they have a fairly short lifespan. Not quite as short as a wind generator's turbine, but short. All those expensive rare earth cells that you bought need to be replaced fairly regularly and as a result the cost is far greater and energy production far shorter than one would imagine.

Like with electric cars, the expense pushes them beyond the point where "lulz I didn't buy gas" will never actually overcome the cost of the car. I ran the numbers a decade ago and they haven't gotten any better. At the time I proposed that maybe in a decade the cost of these cars would come down, but they have not.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 12:43 PM (KZzsI)

87 I don't mind one whit if the greenies want only renewables or whatever flavor of the day is. They can have them all to themselves. I will leave them to it.

What I do mind is they, and their ilk, trying to force all to their particular, unobtainable vision of Heaven.


This seems to be a reoccurring issue among the left.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 12:43 PM (Msys3)

88 "If we learn anything from the history of economic development it is that culture makes all the difference . . . what counts is work, thrift, honesty, patience, tenacity"

And then someone comes and takes away everything you accumulated through work, thrift, honesty, patience and tenacity. Through the court system or by other force.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 12:44 PM (II3Gr)

89 Supposedly Honda and GM are busy working on making a cheap e-car, but there's an absolute basement on how low the cost can go, even if you sell a zillion of the things. Those batteries, those motors all cost a lot of money, and they cannot get any cheaper than a certain point. Gas car are really cheap because its 150 year old tech that has been refined and perfected and is readily available from fairly cheap parts. They can be fairly inexpensive (and would be were all the safety and emissions laws eliminated). E cars just can't be

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 12:45 PM (KZzsI)

90 Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:38 PM (46g+/)

Maybe you should get and read my bestseller book. Learn it, love it, live it.

Posted by: Dale Carnegie at April 10, 2022 12:45 PM (4I/2K)

91 Anyone foolish enough to contemplate using expensively produced solar-generated electricity, stored expensively in a battery bank, for electric space heating is bugfuck nuts.

You are misunderstanding Nope. They aren't saying that solar panels are bitchen if you have batteries, they're saying that even if you do, they still suck because they cannot produce enough power to even do the minimum tasks we need.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 12:46 PM (KZzsI)

92 Warai-otoko

Oh, we knew it was there, alright.

Have a great day.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 12:46 PM (u82oZ)

93 I always wear a helminth when biking.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 12:46 PM (II3Gr)

94 You can figure out the rest. And stick your D- up your ass. And learn to calculate these things. Or be quiet. Because when talking solar panels, and batteries, one must be able to use basic fractions - and energy over time - to figure out capacities.
Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:38 PM (46g+/)

easy Mary

it's Sunday you know

Posted by: REDACTED at April 10, 2022 12:46 PM (us2H3)

95 93 I always wear a helminth when biking.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 12:46 PM (II3Gr)

NEEERRRRRRRRRDDDDDD!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 10, 2022 12:46 PM (6FeV1)

96 Marxists would rather hand out energy based on how well you are toting their line.

Posted by: Skip at April 10, 2022 12:47 PM (2JoB8)

97 96 Marxists would rather hand out energy based on how well you are toting their line.
Posted by: Skip at April 10, 2022 12:47 PM (2JoB

Well, yeah. That's what social credit scores are about.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 12:48 PM (II3Gr)

98 71 You are conflating units of power with units of energy. D-

Would it make you feel better if I used Watt-hour ? I don't care. The math still holds.

Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:38 PM (46g+/)


No, the math does not still hold if you are using and mixing wrong units.

Posted by: a.moron at April 10, 2022 12:48 PM (F6Xpw)

99 Grade changed to F.

You're wrong, Peon. And you know you are wrong. And you don't like it, for whatever reason that I don't give two shits about.

The math is the math. And my math is right, and it doesn't need your approval. That's the thing about math - it's one of the few pure sciences.

Hence - fuck "winning friends and influencing people" when you have the math right. The answer is the answer. And my math is right - pure and damn simple.

Ask yourselves ... why do assholes with the wrong answers keep talking ? I gave you the right answer. For free, even.

Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:48 PM (46g+/)

100 Marxists would rather hand out energy based on how well you are toting their line.
Posted by: Skip at April 10, 2022 12:47 PM (2JoB
++++
"Smart meters" for the win...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 10, 2022 12:48 PM (DU+/6)

101 Like Venezuela, we can expect governments to seize control of energy utilities if things aren't going their way, on the principle that these evil corporations are deliberately failing to produce the energy needed out of greed and being bad white people.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 12:49 PM (KZzsI)

102 World Is Silent as Palestinian Rioters Torch Josephs Tomb

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 10, 2022 12:28 PM (Irn0L)

But would the world be silent if a stray IDF bullet hit the Dome of the Rock? Obvious answer, I know.

Posted by: pookysgirl, sick of double standards at April 10, 2022 12:49 PM (XKZwp)

103 Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker.

In our modern world, great sex and healthy babies comes with great risks attached. Repeat after me: " I am over her, but not the kids."

The Muscular Christians of the Victorian Era, and the Muscular Jews of Israel today have some very good ideas we have cast out. We can discuss this over libations.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 12:49 PM (u82oZ)

104 The biggest hidden problem with solar cells is that they have a fairly short lifespan. Not quite as short as a wind generator's turbine, but short. All those expensive rare earth cells that you bought need to be replaced fairly regularly and as a result the cost is far greater and energy production far shorter than one would imagine.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

But, but, but - the sun is free Mannnnn!

*rips bong*

Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 12:49 PM (Msys3)

105 The Muscular Christians of the Victorian Era, and the Muscular Jews of Israel today have some very good ideas we have cast out. We can discuss this over libations.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 12:49 PM (u82oZ)

Didn't know the Victorians lifted, bro.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 12:50 PM (II3Gr)

106 Morn' all.. Just read that Trump endorsed "DR." Oz ? WTF ?

Posted by: It's me donna at April 10, 2022 12:50 PM (J8ILO)

107 Grampa, Nope is a Dope.

Posted by: Arkansas Biden Baby at April 10, 2022 12:50 PM (Xrfse)

108 Nah, the granola munchers who think they can continue anything remotely resembling a first-world standard of living by combining some windmills, extra diligence in sorting their recycles, and hand-waving - those are people are a combination of delusional and just plain fucking retarded.

Logistics and production can be a preference, but it's a preference that involves more than the useful idiots realize.


Ask anyone involved with semiconductor manufacturing. Losing power for an hour is catastrophic, and not just for an hour. It takes a great deal of time and money to get a fab back up and running.

Nope seems...exercised.

Posted by: Jeff Bezos at April 10, 2022 12:50 PM (ZsR3z)

109 I gave you the right answer. For free, even.

Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:48 PM (46g+/)

Watt was the question?

Posted by: BignJames at April 10, 2022 12:50 PM (AwYPR)

110 108 Nah, the granola munchers who think they can continue anything remotely resembling a first-world standard of living

First read this as "grandma munchers" which, just...ew.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 12:51 PM (II3Gr)

111 No, the math does not still hold if you are using and mixing wrong units.

Take a 1500W heater - like the one right beside me. Try charging it with 500W of solar panels.

Better yet, even with a perfect system, charge it with 4500W of panels, for an hour. You don't have those - but give it the old college try - even with a sufficient battery storage system.

It'll last about three hours, best case. And physics doesn't give a fiddling fuck that you "used the right units".

Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:51 PM (46g+/)

112 If you want lower population counts, make women prosperous.

Alternatively, convince most them that voluntary sterilization is *the current thing*.

Posted by: Methos at April 10, 2022 12:52 PM (kOpft)

113 Ask yourselves ... why do assholes with the wrong answers keep talking ?

Stay away from mirrors.

Posted by: Jeff Bezos at April 10, 2022 12:52 PM (ZsR3z)

114 "In this transition to a more secure and sustainable future, the industrialized countries must take the lead. They have developed and benefited from the unsustainable patterns of production and consumption which have produced our present dilemma. And they primarily have the means and responsibility to change them...

It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class - involving high meat intake, consumption of large amounts of frozen and convenient foods, use of fossil fuels, ownership of motor vehicles and small electrical appliances, home and workplace air conditioning, and suburban housing - are not sustainable. A shift is necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmental damaging consumption patterns."

Maurice Strong, who was the UN leader for the 1992 Rio conference UNCED, said that in 1991.

Notice he singles out the middle class for destruction. This has always been the plan.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2022 12:52 PM (7/mPk)

115 pookysgirl, sick of double standards

The Israelis do not want to rip the band-aid off all at once. But they are not evolving the Palis fast enough.

There are other options unchosen. Like directly tying imports to total peace. Post a schedule of violence, and the immediate consequences. There is an upscale mall in Gaza that needs to be on the long list of consequences.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 12:52 PM (u82oZ)

116 The productivity (and efficiency) gains were largely confiscated by government. Two parents still need to work to give their kids "all the good things in life". BigGov decided to take many of the gains and build an elite class, and a welfare class.

Instead, we could have (dreamily) all been working 25 hours a week, mom stays home, long vacations (like Europe did with USA supplying free defense?).

Bretton Woods and USA as the SuperPower has a been nice ride, but now we are "their" target. And we have been the target, since before WW2, with all sorts of socialist/communist influencers right inside our government. (CIA continuing with the Nazis failed to accomplish? A new world order? idk, maybe)

imo, for now, I want to remain the superpower, but with a coalition of sovereign states pulling their own load in their regions (the Abraham accords for MENA, the Quad in South Pacific, NATO for Europe?) South America needs some work ... but Monroe Doctrine could use an update? Globalists are thwarting all that, giving away bases and cash to China/Iran.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 10, 2022 12:52 PM (Cus5s)

117 >>> 71
[Scogg, or Jonah Goldberg, or some other loser NPC with retarded shit and talking like a fag]
Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:38 PM (46g+/)

Good thing you don't need anything else to run, such as a refrigerator. Who needs a water heater, anyway? Or any sort of power tools.... especially if there's some sort of harvesting to be done...

And what do you do when it's cloudy for a week?

Since you're so SMAHHHHHHHRT you're already running everything you need using "solar", right?

Fucking imbecile.

Posted by: Helena Hnadbasket at April 10, 2022 12:52 PM (llON8)

118 First read this as "grandma munchers" which, just...ew.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker.

Old ladies need love too.

(You'll see someday you young whippersnapper. )

Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 12:52 PM (Msys3)

119 The Muscular Christians of the Victorian Era, and the Muscular Jews of Israel today have some very good ideas we have cast out. We can discuss this over libations.

Our problems are entirely cultural. We are in this situation not because politicians and laws made it happen, but because the culture has been so corrupted and people's minds so twisted that they support and allow politicians and laws to do this to us.

No revolution, no commies out of helicopters, no new laws or politicians in power are going to make a damn bit of difference until that worldview changes. And changing someone's fundamental understanding of the world, of right and wrong, and of truth is almost always a matter of some horrendous shock they experience that forces them to rethink what they've always assumed to be true.

Some you cannot ever reach. They experience a short-term burst of sanity, then creep back to their old position because it is comfortable and emotionally appealing, and generally just easier.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 12:53 PM (KZzsI)

120 Math doesn't care about your feelings. Anyway oil is liquid sunshine condensed over time. You can't get that energy density from raw sunshine.

Posted by: fd at April 10, 2022 12:53 PM (vrz2I)

121 99
Ask yourselves ... why do assholes with the wrong answers keep talking ? I gave you the right answer. For free, even.

Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:48 PM (46g+/)


Why do they keep talking? This seems to be an area where you have some expertise . . .

Posted by: a.moron at April 10, 2022 12:53 PM (F6Xpw)

122 Wow. Wowwowwowwowwow....

When stunning ignorance marries unconquerable arrogance and bear the conjoined twins of embarrassment and hilarity...

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 10, 2022 12:53 PM (6FeV1)

123 Adbusters is calling on Antifa worldwide to destroy peoples' tires so they can't drive and hurt Gaia. Apparently this "worked" (whatever that means) in Sweden, so they think it'll be fine in Texas.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 10, 2022 12:54 PM (haMNq)

124 Good thing you don't need anything else to run, such as a refrigerator. Who needs a water heater, anyway? Or any sort of power tools.... especially if there's some sort of harvesting to be done...

Nicely done - idiot. I'm making the case about how solar DOES NOT work. But it was numbers and shit, so you just piled on.

Jesus Christ on a Cracker.

Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:54 PM (46g+/)

125 Nope as Don Muraco

Everyone else as Superfly Jimmy Snuka

https://youtu.be/f7Dn3PanTAI

Skip ahead to 1:40

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 10, 2022 12:54 PM (4I/2K)

126 Just read that Trump endorsed "DR." Oz ? WTF ?

They are friends and Trump has weak points, like his dislike of guns and his like of government health care.

Since you're so SMAHHHHHHHRT you're already running everything you need using "solar", right?

I am baffled with this. You're arguing with SOMEONE WHO AGREES WITH YOU. Nope is arguing that Solar doesn't work. You're arguing that Solar doesn't work. What's the conflict again???

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 12:55 PM (KZzsI)

127 Uff da.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 12:56 PM (II3Gr)

128 9 My mom, 82, says electricity, plastic and stainless steel are the most important things in a woman's life.
Posted by: Jamaica Queens at April 10, 2022 12:09 PM (b+v9B)

I still marvel at glass containers; they can get so clean, they can be dirt cheap. In earlier times, they would have been fit for kings.

Posted by: m at April 10, 2022 12:56 PM (rI4Wv)

129 Posted by: Nope

Does someone need a hug?

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 10, 2022 12:56 PM (U2p+3)

130 Does someone need a hug?

Everybody does.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 12:56 PM (KZzsI)

131 Do I summon a CoB for Nope, or do we do a collective beatdown for this unlearned, sad, confused troll?

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 12:57 PM (u82oZ)

132 Some of that crowd WANT to burn the house down. They believe if human population is reduced to a percent or less of current numbers the earth will become a garden of Eden.
[ . . . ]
Posted by: PaleRider, simply irredeemable at April 10, 2022 12:05 PM (3cGpq)


Central planners must have simplification in the system to succeed because of the real world complications are too great to centrally plan. The Soviets' economy was stunted because of the need to centrally plan, and there is no way to plan for a million people's intentions, wants and interests.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 10, 2022 12:57 PM (xhaym)

133 In their smooth brains why would energy come from a reliable source? The string pullers know it's all bullshit and just intend to line pockets.
Posted by: Fool Otto at April 10, 2022 12:34 PM (DB16e)

"Smooth Brains".

I am gonna use that one....

Thanks Fool Otto!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 10, 2022 12:57 PM (R/m4+)

134 Among the current shortage issues in the US is that there is a major shortage in the availability of helium. The reason, the US government, ala the BLM, has "managed" to cause a shutdown of a critical element of the supply chain.

Posted by: pawn at April 10, 2022 12:57 PM (Cfk8j)

135 Do I summon a CoB for Nope, or do we do a collective beatdown for this unlearned, sad, confused troll?

Nope is agreeing with us, that solar doesn't work. I don't understand the problem, besides that apparently the presence of math makes some people really angry.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 10, 2022 12:58 PM (haMNq)

136
Instead, we could have (dreamily) all been working 25 hours a week, mom stays home, long vacations (like Europe did with USA supplying free defense?).


If there was an opposition party this is an argument they'd be making the corporatist system of the Dems and GOPers gave you what we have now. The Socialists want to give you the USSR. We want to give you the system that everyone was promised in the 60s.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 10, 2022 12:58 PM (ESjRY)

137 Grampa, how does the Baby Jesus fit on a cracker?

Posted by: Arkansas Biden Baby at April 10, 2022 12:59 PM (Xrfse)

138 . . . apparently the presence of math makes some people really angry.
Posted by: Ian S.


Addition of math here divides us.



Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 12:59 PM (Msys3)

139 Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 12:52 PM (u82oZ)

Israel gave the Palestinians land, and all they seem to do with is alternate between using it to launch attacks on Israel and being miserable in the ashes. I often wonder if the Palestinians *are* the descendants of the Philistines, given their behavior and hatred of a prosperous Israel.

Posted by: pookysgirl, amateur theologian at April 10, 2022 12:59 PM (XKZwp)

140
Addition of math here divides us.



Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 12:59 PM (Msys3)

It just doesn't add up for me

Posted by: It's me donna at April 10, 2022 12:59 PM (J8ILO)

141 Why do they keep talking? This seems to be an area where you have some expertise . . .

Easy answer. Because the first thing idiots do is get loud.

Life isn't an after school special. There's not some finale' where everyone just agrees that nerd or small kid or whatever was right all along.

And this little thread should be saved. It's literally an insightful view in basic human behavior - and shitty math skills.

The math is easy. Watts and Watt / Hours. You can simplify it by just talking watts - like gallons of gas.

Yet watch. This is group dynamics on display. About a topic so damn simple I could get a good group of middle school kids to do the math.

Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:59 PM (46g+/)

142 131 Do I summon a CoB for Nope, or do we do a collective beatdown for this unlearned, sad, confused troll?

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 12:57 PM (u82oZ)


I vote Sunday morning flamewar ! ! !

Posted by: a.moron at April 10, 2022 01:00 PM (F6Xpw)

143 38 . . . apparently the presence of math makes some people really angry.
Posted by: Ian S.


Addition of math here divides us.



Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 12:59 PM (Msys3)

Raises tensions exponentially.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 01:00 PM (II3Gr)

144 How many windmills does it take to run an air fryer? How far can a car to on the same amount of energy? What about a donut maker? What's the watts per donut?

Posted by: fd at April 10, 2022 01:00 PM (vrz2I)

145 . . . apparently the presence of math makes some people really angry.
Posted by: Ian S.


Addition of math here divides us.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 12:59 PM (Msys3)

I was told there's be no math.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 10, 2022 01:00 PM (4I/2K)

146 New name, seems to agree, but then gets super argumentative when getting pushback; it is a glowie

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2022 01:00 PM (7/mPk)

147 These are things I need to have calculated.

Posted by: fd at April 10, 2022 01:00 PM (vrz2I)

148 Israel gave the Palestinians land, and all they seem to do with is alternate between using it to launch attacks on Israel and being miserable in the ashes. I often wonder if the Palestinians *are* the descendants of the Philistines, given their behavior and hatred of a prosperous Israel.

There was an interesting Twitter string this morning where someone laid out that all modern Arab/Isamic dysfunction is because the Arabs were force-fed Marxism by, among other people, the Nazis.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 10, 2022 01:00 PM (haMNq)

149 They believe if human population is reduced to a percent or less of current numbers the earth will become a garden of Eden.

Socialists usually get to a point where they have to start reducing the population to keep the standard of living from completely cratering.

Since socialism can't create much wealth the easiest way to say double everyone's standard of living is...to kill half the people and take their stuff.

Our modern corporatist system is sort of doing this in a less violent way by discouraging reproduction...but that is only a short term fix since then you have too many old people.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 10, 2022 01:00 PM (ESjRY)

150 When ancients talked of a golden age, well, we are living it. Long life, travel, some good authors, and the cultural treasures of the past that still remain.

Think of the huge number of people in the past that never went more that 100 miles from home. Contrast that with today.

I'll bet there is an extremely small portion of the Horde that has not been outside the US of A, let alone their own state.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:01 PM (u82oZ)

151 140
Addition of math here divides us.



Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 12:59 PM (Msys3)

It just doesn't add up for me
Posted by: It's me donna at April 10, 202


We seem divided on our response.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 10, 2022 01:01 PM (U2p+3)

152 143 38 . . . apparently the presence of math makes some people really angry.
Posted by: Ian S.

Addition of math here divides us.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 12:59 PM (Msys3)

Raises tensions exponentially.
Posted by: Insomniac

I'm not following the arc of this to a great degree.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 01:01 PM (Msys3)

153 140 Addition of math here divides us.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 12:59 PM (Msys3)

It just doesn't add up for me
Posted by: It's me donna at April 10, 2022 12:59 PM (J8ILO)

It multiplies our problems.

Posted by: m at April 10, 2022 01:01 PM (rI4Wv)

154 Pennsylvania primary should be towards middle of May, Senate candidate will be set then, don't want Wizard of Oz

Posted by: Skip at April 10, 2022 01:01 PM (2JoB8)

155 I am baffled with this. You're arguing with SOMEONE WHO AGREES WITH YOU.

Are you new here?

Posted by: Methos at April 10, 2022 01:02 PM (kOpft)

156 No geometry proofs either!

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 10, 2022 01:02 PM (4I/2K)

157 Some people just prefer short, brutish lives. For others.

Posted by: Javems at April 10, 2022 01:02 PM (AmoqO)

158 Posted by: Nope

Well, bless your heart!

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 10, 2022 01:02 PM (U2p+3)

159 Posted by: Nope

At this point it doesn't matter if you are right or wrong. You are being asshoe.

Posted by: Infidel at April 10, 2022 01:02 PM (AhBAQ)

160 I keep saying there is a reason that the Warmists compare things to preIndustrial times. Because that is where they want us.

Posted by: blaster at April 10, 2022 01:02 PM (9otr5)

161 When Israel was strong-armed to cede territory to the Arabs, did those lands turn into a Garden of Eden? Nope the Arabs burned everything they could. So they turned their new homeland into a sh!thole. And it is still the Jews fault.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2022 01:02 PM (7/mPk)

162 145 . . . apparently the presence of math makes some people really angry.
Posted by: Ian S.


Addition of math here divides us.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 12:59 PM (Msys3)

I was told there's be no math.
Posted by: Count de Monet at April 10, 2022 01:00 PM (4I/2K)

Walks into Sunday thread...sees Math and tensions...figures now's a great time to stop procrastinating and start filling Easter eggs so I can be back for the food thread!

Posted by: Nova local at April 10, 2022 01:03 PM (exHjb)

163 Ask yourselves ... why do assholes with the wrong answers keep talking ? I gave you the right answer. For free, even.

Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:48 PM (46g+/)


Because there is no cost for you to continue to keep talking and you get the happy feelz for lecturing the stupid.

Am I close?

Posted by: Kindltot at April 10, 2022 01:03 PM (xhaym)

164 152 143 38 . . . apparently the presence of math makes some people really angry. Posted by: Ian S.

Addition of math here divides us. Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 12:59 PM (Msys3)

Raises tensions exponentially. Posted by: Insomniac

I'm not following the arc of this to a great degree.
Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 01:01 PM (Msys3)

It's somewhat tangential to the topic and hard to figure.

Posted by: m at April 10, 2022 01:03 PM (rI4Wv)

165 It's somewhat tangential to the topic and hard to figure.

Co-sined.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 10, 2022 01:03 PM (haMNq)

166 >>> 146 New name, seems to agree, but then gets super argumentative when getting pushback; it is a glowie
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2022 01:00 PM (7/mPk)

That's some funny-looking "agreement" it's got there.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 10, 2022 01:03 PM (llON8)

167 Nope is agreeing with us, that solar doesn't work. I don't understand the problem, besides that apparently the presence of math makes some people really angry.

IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE IN ALMOST EVERY THREAD IN THE HISTORY OF THIS BLOG, SOMEON COMMENTS THAT THEY WERE PROMISED THERE'D BE NO MATH ON THIS BLOG.

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at April 10, 2022 01:04 PM (kOpft)

168 I did not sine up for this.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 01:04 PM (II3Gr)

169 When stunning ignorance marries unconquerable arrogance and bear the conjoined twins of embarrassment and hilarity...

Posted by: Warai-otoko


What about the cousin twice removed of peevishness?

Posted by: Jeff Bezos at April 10, 2022 01:04 PM (ZsR3z)

170 Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker.

Youse makes me laugh. Its all good. Thank you, my brother.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:04 PM (u82oZ)

171 >>> 168 I did not sine up for this.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 01:04 PM (II3Gr)

Stop going off on a tangent!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 10, 2022 01:04 PM (llON8)

172 Secant we all just get along?

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 01:05 PM (II3Gr)

173 "biggest hidden problem with solar cells is that they have a fairly short lifespan."

the ones I just bought were 58 cents per watt, have a 20/25 year warranty. (I think that is for like, 1% loss per year). They have gotten much better at making them. Shipping does cost a lot (another 10 cents?), unless you can pick them up.

They work as advertised, so far. But, oil/gas/coal/nuke is the way for USA to win ... we are being destroyed from within and Green Lies are their weapon.

https://is.gd/roE4vj

Posted by: illiniwek at April 10, 2022 01:05 PM (Cus5s)

174 122 When stunning ignorance marries unconquerable arrogance and bear the conjoined twins of embarrassment and hilarity...
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 10, 2022 12:53 PM (6FeV1)

The Clintons?

Posted by: m at April 10, 2022 01:05 PM (rI4Wv)

175 Signed up for my 3rd twitter account to fuck with them and they gave me a 11 hour suspension before I even did anything. Fuckers. They have to be destroyed

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 10, 2022 01:06 PM (Irn0L)

176 172 Secant we all just get along?
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 01:05 PM (II3Gr)

Snort!

Posted by: m at April 10, 2022 01:06 PM (rI4Wv)

177 The math is easy. Watts and Watt / Hours. You can simplify it by just talking watts - like gallons of gas.

Yet watch. This is group dynamics on display. About a topic so damn simple I could get a good group of middle school kids to do the math.
Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:59 PM (46g+/)

You have made it abundantly clear why you see the need to simplify things.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 10, 2022 01:06 PM (P3gRi)

178 One of my favorite things about Life in An Industrialized Society: when you meet a guy missing two fingers, he'll say "I screwed up and strapped down the safety switch in the press shop" instead of "the rats got 'em."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 10, 2022 01:06 PM (videA)

179 New name, seems to agree, but then gets super argumentative when getting pushback; it is a glowie

You are exactly right - that's my plan. I'm here to talk you all into stealing solar panels. Also - a charge controller. And you'll need an inverter as well.

All to power - I'm going to do it, kids, because I'm crazy like this - to power that 1500 W heater next to me for 8 hours. That's 12,000 W ... or no watts, since I flouted the obvious units.

Shall I show the prices of the batteries and shit again ? Because I pulled some witchcraft on that. A 200 Ah deep discharge AGM battery gives 2400W ... or is it 2400 Wh ?

Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 01:06 PM (46g+/)

180 who the fuck dresses pro golfers ?

Posted by: REDACTED at April 10, 2022 01:06 PM (us2H3)

181 NGU

Careful there, you are turning into Leonardo DiCrapio in that movie with the bear,...

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2022 01:06 PM (7/mPk)

182 >>> 174 122 When stunning ignorance marries unconquerable arrogance and bear the conjoined twins of embarrassment and hilarity...
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 10, 2022 12:53 PM (6FeV1)

The Clintons?
Posted by: m at April 10, 2022 01:05 PM (rI4Wv)

Need to add some "unexpected" fatalities to the mix.

Posted by: Zombie Vince Foster at April 10, 2022 01:07 PM (llON8)

183 At this point it doesn't matter if you are right or wrong. You are being asshoe.

While I agree with this, AOP's "D-" response was provocative and unnecessarily snarky; based on a misunderstanding.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 01:07 PM (KZzsI)

184 This is getting out of limits.

Set dampening field to 1/x².

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:07 PM (u82oZ)

185 180 who the fuck dresses pro golfers ?

Posted by: REDACTED at April 10, 2022 01:06 PM (us2H3)

Sponsors

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 01:08 PM (II3Gr)

186 Everyone interested in the modern energy situation and how the world got to where it is today with petroleum should read the book, "The Prize: The Epic Quest for Oil, Money & Power" by Daniel Yergin.

It is a world-wide history of petroleum exploration, production, refining, and and its uses since the 1850s. It's a bit of a slog in places, but stick with it.

Did you know the first commercial use of oil and its products was kerosene for lanterns? Kerosene lanterns revolutionized home lighting, making it infinitely more possible to read and do any indoor activity after dark. John D. Rockefeller and Standard Oil began with drilling for oil and transporting it to refineries to make kerosene.

A terrific book if you want to learn about the history of petroleum and how it helped create the modern world.

Posted by: Gref at April 10, 2022 01:08 PM (AMIL/)

187 who the fuck dresses pro golfers ?

Kamala Harris and Michelle Obama former fashion advisors.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2022 01:08 PM (7/mPk)

188 Are there infinite math jokes/puns?

Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 01:08 PM (Msys3)

189 Oz will be Susan Collins without the shakes.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 10, 2022 01:09 PM (X0j02)

190 The Mannix TV series showed me that industrial, corporatist, society was not the way to go. The first season of Mannix had him working for Intertech. Joseph Campanella was wasted in a nothing role as Joe's boss. Joe showed up in Intertech offices every episode and there were boring shots of humongous mainframe computers turning tape and spitting out punch cards.

This was so bad the show was entirely revamped for season two. It wasn't until he opened his own PI office and hired a woman of color that the series took off.

Posted by: Ricardo Romantico at April 10, 2022 01:09 PM (g6+Ik)

191 At this point it doesn't matter if you are right or wrong. You are being asshoe.

If that guy never does anything else in his life, he'll go down in history for that one quote.

Posted by: Jeff Bezos at April 10, 2022 01:09 PM (ZsR3z)

192 Some days at work I have to fire up the CAT 950H loader just to charge my phone. Does this comment fit here? or is that more of a first world problem? LOL.

Posted by: t-dubya-d at April 10, 2022 01:09 PM (77eMe)

193 A terrific book if you want to learn about the history of petroleum and how it helped create the modern world.

Posted by: Gref

You can't use logic on me and force me to learn anything!!

--- Leftists everywhere in every era

Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 01:10 PM (Msys3)

194 At this point it doesn't matter if you are right or wrong. You are being asshoe.

Posted by: Infidel at April 10, 2022 01:02 PM (AhBAQ)


You bet your ass it does. Right is right. Hence ... why Alberta is still banging his drum that he's "correct". And anyone that can follow these simple fractions knows he's full of shit.

You ever consider being "asshoe" when the school-board presents the new material ? That includes a rainbow or three ?

If we can't acknowledge "asshole has the basic math right" ... come on. And my basic math is beyond reproach. It's correct - from soup to nuts.

Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 01:10 PM (46g+/)

195 I think it would be great if people would shake hands, agree it was all a misunderstanding and back off the snark and anger that doesn't help anyone. Believe me I'd been guilty of it too often and it never comes from a good place. Nope, stop being so defensive and angry. Everyone else, chill, Nope isn't new here, I've seen the name before. We're all family here other than a few nicks I strongly suspect are in fact glowing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 01:10 PM (KZzsI)

196 Gref

That is a great book. I also recommend it.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:10 PM (u82oZ)

197 Pics of Power Girl would be calming and soothing.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 10, 2022 01:11 PM (4I/2K)

198 Neu DC Power Girl would resemble an East German shot-putter

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2022 01:11 PM (7/mPk)

199 If that guy never does anything else in his life, he'll go down in history for that one quote.

Poor guy probably is slaving in a gulag now, and accomplished nothing but giving us a new meme. He gave a desperate, impassioned plea, putting himself in the crosshairs on TV and the USA did nothing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 01:11 PM (KZzsI)

200 And my basic math is beyond reproach. It's correct - from soup to nuts.

Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 01:10 PM (46g+/)

You can't combine un-like units.

Posted by: BignJames at April 10, 2022 01:12 PM (AwYPR)

201 You can't combine un-like units.
Posted by: BignJames at April 10, 2022 01:12 PM (AwYPR)

Then explain the HQ

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 01:12 PM (II3Gr)

202 The core requirements for industrial civilization are

- clean water
- sanitation
- refrigeration
- transportation

"Medicine" might rate among the top requirements, too; though I suppose that medicine would avail little without clean water, sanitation, refrigeration, and transportation.

Posted by: m at April 10, 2022 01:12 PM (rI4Wv)

203 The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 10, 2022 01:13 PM (6r+bf)

204 who the fuck dresses pro golfers ?


Their clothing/shoe sponsors along with their wives or girlfriends.

I have never understood the craze in the men's pro golfing world for pastel pink. I'm not civilized enough, I suppose.

Posted by: Gref at April 10, 2022 01:13 PM (AMIL/)

205 188 Are there infinite math jokes/puns?
Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 01:08 PM (Msys3)

Far as I can figure.

Posted by: m at April 10, 2022 01:13 PM (rI4Wv)

206 Then explain the HQ
Posted by: Insomniac





"Don't rush me! I'm thinking!"

Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 01:13 PM (Msys3)

207 Don't think there is a way to calculate how to delimit math jokes.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2022 01:14 PM (7/mPk)

208 The Talking Heads were onto this years ago.

This used to be real estate
Now it's only fields and trees
Where, where is the town
Now, it's nothing but flowers
The highways and cars
Were sacrificed for agriculture
I thought that we'd start over
But I guess I was wrong.

Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at April 10, 2022 01:14 PM (fTtFy)

209 Skip -

We're not gonna get malaria today.

Posted by: JT at April 10, 2022 01:14 PM (arJlL)

210 Then explain the HQ

Posted by: Insomniac

"Don't rush me! I'm thinking!"

Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 01:13 PM (Msys3)

That's psychology.

Posted by: BignJames at April 10, 2022 01:15 PM (AwYPR)

211 Plus fours and tam o' shanters for the macaroni crowd.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 10, 2022 01:15 PM (4I/2K)

212 Talking Heads also sang about a road to nowhere and burning down the house.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2022 01:15 PM (7/mPk)

213 Hiya YouDonna !

Posted by: JT at April 10, 2022 01:15 PM (arJlL)

214 though I suppose that medicine would avail little without clean water, sanitation, refrigeration, and transportation.

They're all interactive. You can't have clean water without sanitation, you can't have transportation without energy, etc. But the key that's missing in this is the need for a stable, shared, productive ethical system. You can have all that other stuff, but when you tear down the shared ethics and beliefs about truth and beauty, it all falls to pieces which we're watching happen right now.

I have never understood the craze in the men's pro golfing world for pastel pink.

Watched too much Miami Vice in their youth

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 01:16 PM (KZzsI)

215 Nope

You are a newbie dinking on a well-respected, and deeply learned commenter. Tread carefully, please.

The argument is over the density of power. From very high with nuclear, hydrocarbons then there is a long way to wind and solar. Ther latter are too weak to power a robust civilization.

Algae based hydrocarbons using waste heat from nuclear reactors is one way out of the 'Peak Oil" argument.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:16 PM (u82oZ)

216 >>> Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 01:10 PM (KZzsI)

Fredo is not agreeing and it is obvious that Fredo is here for no other reason than to stir up shit. Whether or not Fredo happens to be a particular individual who has been here before doesn't really matter; the behavior of the species is pretty consistent.




Also YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!!! ;P

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 10, 2022 01:16 PM (llON8)

217 One word, young man: plastics.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 01:16 PM (II3Gr)

218 I personally have first-hand experience with how this SCAM started. Think the University of East Anglia and a bunch of scamming professors looking for more financial support. I tried to hire them to assist in an aircraft corrosion project, but 1) it must have been beneath their dignity and 2) A closer look at their mishandling of data showed they had nothing. A person I know was asked to report the results to the Royal society in London, but when they figured out who this was all about, that was cancelled by the US State Department. My take is that if you are going to hold yourselves out as experts in data collection (atmospheric temperatures) at least keep and publish ALL your data, not just that which proves your point and learn the calibration requirements for your instruments.

Posted by: 'Ol Country Boy at April 10, 2022 01:16 PM (Zd+Sa)

219 Molotov cocktails 10 cents. Matches $1,000,000.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at April 10, 2022 01:17 PM (JH1tc)

220 Watched too much Miami Vice in their youth
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 01:16 PM (KZzsI)

No such thing.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 01:17 PM (II3Gr)

221 And my basic math is beyond reproach. It's correct - from soup to nuts.
Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 01:10 PM (46g+/)

You can't combine un-like units.
Posted by: BignJames at April 10, 2022 01:12 PM (AwYPR)


Take a battery charger that puts out a little over four amps. That's 500 Watts.

Plug it in your dead battery for an hour. You just put 500 Watts into your battery. And your battery doesn't give jack shit that you disagree with the pedantic definition of the energy transfer.

This is where we are. People that do not understand basic physics. Or worse - people standing on stupid, meaningless definitions that truly do not matter in the scope or application of basic application.

I'm sure, somewhere, an Ivy League grad approves. Good God.

Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 01:17 PM (46g+/)

222 Fredo is not agreeing

Yeah, he is. He's arguing that solar energy cannot provide what is needed, in a very angry and prickly way. The delivery gets a D- but the argument is sound.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 01:17 PM (KZzsI)

223 >>> 209 Skip -

We're not gonna get malaria today.
Posted by: JT at April 10, 2022 01:14 PM (arJlL)

Maybe tomorrow. Working on it!

Posted by: Bill Gates, Tony Fauci, Klaus Schwab and Friends at April 10, 2022 01:18 PM (llON8)

224 Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:16 PM (u82oZ)

You ate 2 ounces...of watt?

Posted by: BignJames at April 10, 2022 01:18 PM (AwYPR)

225 Nope

You neglected the part Entropy plays. Fail.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:18 PM (u82oZ)

226 Yeah, he is. He's arguing that solar energy cannot provide what is needed, in a very angry and prickly way. The delivery gets a D- but the argument is sound.

I've always found people to be the most persuasive when they're screaming like a toddler and banging their shoe on the table.

Posted by: Jeff Bezos at April 10, 2022 01:19 PM (ZsR3z)

227 Careful there, you are turning into Leonardo DiCrapio in that movie with the bear,...
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2022 01:06 PM (7/mPk)

I missed that movie? LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 10, 2022 01:19 PM (Irn0L)

228 You are a newbie dinking on a well-respected, and deeply learned commenter. Tread carefully, please.

Counterpoint: there's no such thing as a well-respected commenter here. There are only cliques.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 10, 2022 01:19 PM (haMNq)

229 I'm sure, somewhere, an Ivy League grad approves. Good God.

Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 01:17 PM (46g+/)

I was talkin' soup and nuts.

Posted by: BignJames at April 10, 2022 01:19 PM (AwYPR)

230 I've always found people to be the most persuasive when they're screaming like a toddler and banging their shoe on the table.

The Nikita Khrushchev School of Diplomacy

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2022 01:20 PM (7/mPk)

231 Nope

Texas Tea, right out of the Permian Basin, and it was good.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:20 PM (u82oZ)

232 " A 200 Ah deep discharge AGM battery gives 2400W ... or is it 2400 Wh ?"

at what voltage? ... I have four 125 Ah batteries, which would get my router and laptop through the night, maybe a light and fan. But I can produce 6500 watts (120) for about 5 hours on a sunny day, and another four hours ramping up to that.

Assuming I get the fed rebate, that will cost about $12K to accomplish. It's a hobby, but a good thing to have if they start rolling blackouts (just because they hate us).

Posted by: illiniwek at April 10, 2022 01:20 PM (Cus5s)

233 Counterpoint: there's no such thing as a well-respected commenter here.

Lord knows I am not respected anywhere. But again, Nope is not a new nick, its just one that does not post frequently. And I suspect, is actually a spider.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 01:21 PM (KZzsI)

234 215

Algae based hydrocarbons using waste heat from nuclear reactors is one way out of the 'Peak Oil" argument.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:16 PM (u82oZ)


Has anyone managed to get usable fuel from algae on an industrial scale? For decades, it seems like, I've heard about research projects to produce alcohol using algae, but it never seems to actually turns into anything that scales.

Posted by: a.moron at April 10, 2022 01:21 PM (F6Xpw)

235 Nevergiveup

Good morning, Sir.

How is the grand-baby?

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:21 PM (u82oZ)

236 You are a newbie dinking on a well-respected, and deeply learned commenter. Tread carefully, please.

1500W x 8 hours = 12,000W. I don't care about the history of said commenter. He or she is simply wrong. They do not understand basic physics.

Calling it Watt-Hours is of no significance. Pure and simple. That's a typical quibble over definitions. Nobody quibbles over the definition of a calorie when they handle heat for a living.

Math is math.

Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 01:21 PM (46g+/)

237 Counterpoint: there's no such thing as a well-respected commenter here. There are only cliques.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 10, 2022 01:19 PM (haMNq)

Not sure about "only" but it is an increasingly noticeable phenomenon in my estimation.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 01:21 PM (II3Gr)

238 226 I've always found people to be the most persuasive when they're screaming like a toddler and banging their shoe on the table.
Posted by: Jeff Bezos at April 10, 2022 01:19 PM (ZsR3z)

And shrillary! is always effective.
"AT THIS POINT WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE!!!!!"

Posted by: m at April 10, 2022 01:22 PM (rI4Wv)

239 a.moron

It can be done, but we need more and better reactors. It is still better than wind or solar, which are energy sinks based on the thermodynamics.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:22 PM (u82oZ)

240 I've always found people to be the most persuasive when they're screaming like a toddler and banging their shoe on the table.
Posted by: Jeff Bezos at April 10, 2022 01:19 PM (ZsR3z)

Concur.

Posted by: Zombie Nikita Khrushchev at April 10, 2022 01:22 PM (R/m4+)

241 I was talkin' soup and nuts.
Posted by: BignJames at April 10, 2022 01:19 PM (AwYPR)

Deez™ Brand, of course.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 01:23 PM (II3Gr)

242 For decades, it seems like, I've heard about research projects to produce alcohol using algae, but it never seems to actually turns into anything that scales.

Yeah I think this is one of those projects like tidal generators that sounds cool but never gets anywhere for practical reasons. I suspect its up there with the hemp guys in terms of valid industry.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 01:23 PM (KZzsI)

243 Joe, you put up four cornerstones, but I was thinking a fifth, and that is the on demand production of controlled heat.
From that we get habitable houses in northern climes, but more importantly we get electrical production via steam. I know you went into that in the rest of your post but heat should get a star position. Not a bit player.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 10, 2022 01:23 PM (MFphb)

244 Counterpoint: there's no such thing as a well-respected commenter here. There are only cliques.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 10, 2022 01:19 PM (haMNq)

Not sure about "only" but it is an increasingly noticeable phenomenon in my estimation.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker.

One clique only, Vasily.

Posted by: JT at April 10, 2022 01:23 PM (arJlL)

245 230 I've always found people to be the most persuasive when they're screaming like a toddler and banging their shoe on the table.

The Nikita Khrushchev School of Diplomacy
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2022 01:20 PM (7/mPk)

240 I've always found people to be the most persuasive when they're screaming like a toddler and banging their shoe on the table.
Posted by: Jeff Bezos at April 10, 2022 01:19 PM (ZsR3z)

Concur.
Posted by: Zombie Nikita Khrushchev at April 10, 2022 01:22 PM (R/m4+)

Posted by: m at April 10, 2022 01:23 PM (rI4Wv)

246 Today is the anniversary of the eruption of Mount Tambora in 1815.

And in current news, Beijing has delivered a SAM based ADS to Serbia.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2022 01:24 PM (7/mPk)

247 Ian S.

There are a few. Ben Had is one. As I say when I try and explain the Horde to my friends, there are a lot of interesting, accomplished, and lucid people in the Horde. Then there is me.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:24 PM (u82oZ)

248 One clique only, Vasily.

One word: awesome.

Posted by: Jeff Bezos at April 10, 2022 01:24 PM (ZsR3z)

249 I suspect its up there with the hemp guys in terms of valid industry.

The hemp guys kind of won: CBD is everywhere, not just on French Toast.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 10, 2022 01:24 PM (haMNq)

250 I.

AM.

SCIENCE!!!!!

Posted by: Tony Fauci, Dog Lover at April 10, 2022 01:24 PM (llON8)

251 I know a couple who live in a fairly large house in sunny so. Cal. Their roof is covered with solar panels. They also have a pool in the backyard. The first time I visited them, I was impressed and asked about how the solar panels were working out. They said they were not connected and didn't seem to want to talk about it. I didn't press the issue.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 10, 2022 01:25 PM (VGZ9M)

252 My previous house had a solar setup on the roof. It allowed me to run the central air as cold as I wanted for free all summer. Certainly wasn't much use outside of that, but I happily took the savings.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 10, 2022 01:26 PM (haMNq)

253 at what voltage? ... I have four 125 Ah batteries, which would get my router and laptop through the night, maybe a light and fan. But I can produce 6500 watts (120) for about 5 hours on a sunny day, and another four hours ramping up to that.

Every deep cell battery is 12V. Come on ... 125 Ah is 12 x 125 = 1500W. Four of them is 6000W. Or enough to run my oil heater for four hours.

Assuming perfect inverters, unity power factor, and all that jazz.

Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 01:26 PM (46g+/)

254 It is still better than wind or solar, which are energy sinks based on the thermodynamics.

I love hydrogen cars as a concept: the exhaust is water. Its comperable to gasoline in cost and has a much better range (and refueling time) than electricity.

The problem is that it costs more energy to produce hydrogen than you get out of the hydrogen so its a net loss all around. Gasoline is still king because it produces more than it costs. Nuclear, same thing (although its basically just a really fancy steam powered generator). If they could figure out a better way to get hydrogen (or my dream, gigantic ships scooping gas off gas giants) then that is the way of the future in my mind.

Electric Cars are 100+ year old technology that just isn't and I do not believe EVER will be truly viable as a replacement for gasoline despite the desperate fixation so many have on it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 01:26 PM (KZzsI)

255 Solar panels wouldn't do shit here in January when we have an inversion and don't see the sunshine for the entire month.

Posted by: Infidel at April 10, 2022 01:27 PM (AhBAQ)

256 One clique only, Vasily.
Posted by: JT at April 10, 2022 01:23 PM (arJlL)

This business will get out of control! It'll get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it!

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 01:27 PM (II3Gr)

257 So, politics is downstream from wastewater treatment facilities?

Sounds about right.

Posted by: Muldoon at April 10, 2022 01:27 PM (m45I2)

258 Math is math.
Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 01:21 PM (46g+/)

Hookay. Lighten up, Francis.

Posted by: Sgt Hulka at April 10, 2022 01:27 PM (4I/2K)

259 236

1500W x 8 hours = 12,000W.


No. It's. Not. It's 12,000 Watt-Hours.

Calling it Watt-Hours is of no significance. Pure and simple. That's a typical quibble over definitions.


It absolutely is significant. If you're using the wrong units, you're talking gibberish. And you're talking gibberish.

Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 01:21 PM (46g+/)

Posted by: a.moron at April 10, 2022 01:27 PM (F6Xpw)

260 Christopher R Taylor

Good analysis. Practical fusion has always been 10 years away, for the last 60 years.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:27 PM (u82oZ)

261 Dr. Ing. Ferdinand Porche studied a hybrid car for his Volkswagen. A small gas motor and four electric motors that actually drove the wheels. Instead he went with a 1100cc gas motor and Hitler called it the KdFWagen.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2022 01:28 PM (7/mPk)

262 Good morning, Sir.

How is the grand-baby?
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:21 PM (u82oZ)

Outstanding. Thanks for asking.
And my daughter and son in law are turning out to be great parents

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 10, 2022 01:28 PM (Irn0L)

263 257 So, politics is downstream from wastewater treatment facilities?

Sounds about right.
Posted by: Muldoon at April 10, 2022 01:27 PM (m45I2)

I'd have placed it right in the sediment pool.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 01:28 PM (II3Gr)

264 "They Are Playing With Primal Forces"

Yes they are. And it is not just the green energy fools.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at April 10, 2022 01:28 PM (SH2Zi)

265 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 01:26 PM (KZzsI)

That's enough of that logic stuff there, bud.

Posted by: BignJames at April 10, 2022 01:28 PM (AwYPR)

266 Math is Math.
Love is Love.

Posted by: m at April 10, 2022 01:28 PM (rI4Wv)

267 The problem is that it costs more energy to produce hydrogen than you get out of the hydrogen so its a net loss all around.

I think the net loss on hydrogen could work out if the hydrogen plants were run from nuclear. It's far, far more convenient for the end user than BEVs, and the exhaust being water is very appealing even when you aren't a green nut.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 10, 2022 01:28 PM (haMNq)

268 Who is the new Mr Wizard?

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 10, 2022 01:29 PM (X0j02)

269 My previous house had a solar setup on the roof. It allowed me to run the central air as cold as I wanted for free all summer. Certainly wasn't much use outside of that, but I happily took the savings.

And that's the right approach to solar. I mean, you're not likely to ever save enough money running your AC on solar to pay for the cost of the cells, but this kind of application is a valid and actually smart use of the power. Don't try to run everything on solar, use it as a supplemental system for specific tasks.

The hemp guys kind of won: CBD is everywhere, not just on French Toast.

Yeah but that's an admission that it was never about the wonderful properties of hemp, but just an attempt to mainstream and increase the availability of weed.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 01:29 PM (KZzsI)

270 Given how Stan's Retards are fcking everything up I rather *would* like to try solar, even with all the drawbacks, but it would be limited to non-critical things like lights and/or electric gadgets.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 10, 2022 01:29 PM (llON8)

271 I think the net loss on hydrogen could work out if the hydrogen plants were run from nuclear. It's far, far more convenient for the end user than BEVs, and the exhaust being water is very appealing even when you aren't a green nut.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 10, 2022 01:28 PM (haMNq)

Makes going out by CO poisoning a bit problematic.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 01:29 PM (II3Gr)

272 Nevergiveup

Huzzah! One more year in the swampland, then Granddad unleashed!

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:30 PM (u82oZ)

273 Christopher R Taylor

Good analysis. Practical fusion has always been 10 years away, for the last 60 years.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:27 PM (u82oZ)

*moseys out of the room*

Posted by: Dippin' Dots, The Ice Cream of the Future at April 10, 2022 01:30 PM (4I/2K)

274 Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'.

Posted by: Arkansas Biden Baby at April 10, 2022 01:30 PM (Xrfse)

275 Math is math.

https://tinyl.io/63BD

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 01:31 PM (KZzsI)

276 Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'.

Posted by: Arkansas Biden Baby


What if I just don't want to be with you?

Posted by: Jeff Bezos at April 10, 2022 01:31 PM (ZsR3z)

277 Huzzah! One more year in the swampland, then Granddad unleashed!
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:30 PM (u82oZ)

I might be extended one year past that.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 10, 2022 01:31 PM (Irn0L)

278 Makes going out by CO poisoning a bit problematic.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker

What's Colorado poisoning ?

Posted by: JT at April 10, 2022 01:31 PM (arJlL)

279 Counterpoint: there's no such thing as a well-respected commenter here. There are only cliques.
Posted by: Ian S.

I think there are well respected commenters here that are respected by the hundreds or more readers that never bother to comment.

The cliques have been around aos for 2 decades. Some want to change the world, some want someone to change their world for them.

Like Doc Holliday said - For some people, this world ain't ever gonna be right.

Posted by: old chick at April 10, 2022 01:31 PM (sOete)

280 Ian S.

With every new mass technology, I want a rational crash analysis and fire-fighting techniques put next to it. Because stuff happens.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:31 PM (u82oZ)

281 >>> 278 Makes going out by CO poisoning a bit problematic.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker

What's Colorado poisoning ?
Posted by: JT at April 10, 2022 01:31 PM (arJlL)

$20 bucks, same as in town.

...and not *quite* as nasty as CA poisoning.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 10, 2022 01:32 PM (llON8)

282 So, politics is downstream from wastewater treatment facilities?

Sounds about right.
Posted by: Muldoon at April 10, 2022 01:27 PM (m45I2)

I'd have placed it right in the sediment pool.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 01:28 PM (II3Gr)

Politics is rooted in the Greek word poly, meaning many, and tics, blood sucking parasites.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 10, 2022 01:32 PM (4I/2K)

283 Fauci: We May Need To Revert To Being More Careful And Having More Masks Indoors

Why do networks keep having the schmuck on?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 10, 2022 01:32 PM (Irn0L)

284 85. A wood stove? Lol. Burning wood creates CO2 and chokes the erf with particulates. U are expelled!

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid cites from the Book of Gaia at April 10, 2022 01:32 PM (n/szn)

285 "Every deep cell battery is 12V. Come on ... 125 Ah is 12 x 125 = 1500W. Four of them is 6000W. Or enough to run my oil heater for four hours."

but those batteries don't perform like that. They run down fast if I try to take out 6000W, in minutes. They have charts for it even. And I don't run mine below 12V, so they last longer. The more draw down each day, the shorter the battery life.

... Each battery is 12V (but there are other voltages) ... but my system is 48V, and I lose about 5% converting to AC, which is 120V (or it can make 240V). So all the units are useful, imo.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 10, 2022 01:32 PM (Cus5s)

286 I know a couple who live in a fairly large house in sunny so. Cal. Their roof is covered with solar panels. . . . . They said they were not connected and didn't seem to want to talk about it. I didn't press the issue.
Posted by: washrivergal

Generally I'm able to warm my home completely using the generated heat from me continually walking to every space in the house turning off the light switches that are on in empty rooms.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 01:32 PM (Msys3)

287 Son of a bitch, Nope *IS* Scogg! The parenthetical aside set off with hyphens, calling us "kids", doesn't know the difference between arithmetic and physics.... Hi Scogg

I can't believe I didn't realize it were you.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 10, 2022 01:33 PM (6FeV1)

288 Nevergiveup

Let's hope your 2-star support network can overpower BuPers. Good luck with the fourth waiver.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:33 PM (u82oZ)

289 but it would be limited to non-critical things like lights and/or electric gadgets.

Well, and it varies by region. Nevada: great idea. Alaska: not so much.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 01:33 PM (KZzsI)

290 Generally I'm able to warm my home completely using the generated heat from me continually walking to every space in the house turning off the light switches that are on in empty rooms.

How many teenagers do you have?

Posted by: Jeff Bezos at April 10, 2022 01:33 PM (ZsR3z)

291 Counterpoint: there's no such thing as a well-respected commenter here. There are only cliques.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 10, 2022 01:19 PM (haMNq)

There are both.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at April 10, 2022 01:33 PM (SH2Zi)

292 You seem nice.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 10, 2022 12:41 PM (U2p+3)

Scogg dog, I think.

Posted by: Clutch at April 10, 2022 01:33 PM (9UmRs)

293 If you find the video of Ol' Nikita banging his shoe at the UN, the delegate behind him to his left just rolls over in laughter.

Priceless.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 10, 2022 01:33 PM (R/m4+)

294 Farming algae as a fuel source sound good on paper, works relatively well in the lab but fails miserably in practice. It seem that Mom Nature's creatures are into competition.

Wild strains of algae eventually find their way into the system. It's like weeds invading your garden. There's no way to remove them.

Possibly genetic modifications could be made to make the algae grow in what are unfavorable conditions foe wild algae but no one has gotten there yet.

Posted by: pawn at April 10, 2022 01:34 PM (Cfk8j)

295 I'm late to the party, so apologies if this point has already been discussed.

The near-term gigantic problem with the political push for electric-powered everything is how to keep enough natural gas and coal plants running until renewable- and NUCLEAR-generated electricity is capable of supplying reliable base-load power coast to coast. And at a reasonable price for the energy they'll generate.

Base-load power is the most important of the many things the zero carbon emissions lunatics don't understand. Driving-up the price of natural gas, coal, and oil to artificially force a wide-scale near-term shift to renewables is insane; driving the gas and coal power plants and gas/diesel cars out of use before alternatives electricity sources are on-line at the required base-load scale is criminally insane.

Posted by: Gref at April 10, 2022 01:35 PM (AMIL/)

296 Counterpoint: there's no such thing as a well-respected commenter here. There are only cliques.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 10, 2022 01:19 PM (haMNq)

There are both.
Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at April 10, 2022 01:33 PM (SH2Zi)

And Zuul in the refrigerator.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 10, 2022 01:35 PM (4I/2K)

297 The anime OAV Venus Wars the male protagonist's family runs an algae farm and he even says it is a failure only supported by the government.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2022 01:35 PM (7/mPk)

298 >>> 294 Farming algae as a fuel source sound good on paper, works relatively well in the lab but fails miserably in practice. It seem that Mom Nature's creatures are into competition.

Wild strains of algae eventually find their way into the system. It's like weeds invading your garden. There's no way to remove them.

Possibly genetic modifications could be made to make the algae grow in what are unfavorable conditions foe wild algae but no one has gotten there yet.
Posted by: pawn at April 10, 2022 01:34 PM (Cfk8j)

This is only because the algae were not wearing masks.

Posted by: Tony Fauci, Dog Lover at April 10, 2022 01:35 PM (llON8)

299 278 Makes going out by CO poisoning a bit problematic.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker

What's Colorado poisoning ?
Posted by: JT at April 10, 2022 01:31 PM (arJlL)

People moving in from California and New York.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 01:35 PM (II3Gr)

300 267 The problem is that it costs more energy to produce hydrogen than you get out of the hydrogen so its a net loss all around.

I think the net loss on hydrogen could work out if the hydrogen plants were run from nuclear. It's far, far more convenient for the end user than BEVs, and the exhaust being water is very appealing even when you aren't a green nut.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 10, 2022 01:28 PM (haMNq)


Hydrogen as a gas is a pain to deal with, regardless of cost or how it's produced. Not impossible, but less convenient than hydrocarbons. The real breakthrough would be cheaply producing hydrocarbons using a cheap energy source like nuclear or solar. That would allow for relatively simple storage and transportation, as is done today with petroleum derived fuels.

Posted by: a.moron at April 10, 2022 01:36 PM (F6Xpw)

301 There is a beer named Zuul?

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2022 01:36 PM (7/mPk)

302 Some experts say the Whippletree is in the top 5 of the most important inventions ever.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 10, 2022 01:36 PM (Gzbwp)

303 282 Politics is rooted in the Greek word poly, meaning many, and tics, blood sucking parasites.
Posted by: Count de Monet at April 10, 2022 01:32 PM (4I/2K)

Um.

late Middle English: from Old French politique 'political,' via Latin from Greek politikos, from polites 'citizen,' from polis 'city.'

Posted by: m at April 10, 2022 01:36 PM (rI4Wv)

304 What if I just don't want to be with you?
Posted by: Jeff Bezos


No way, Groomer.

Posted by: Arkansas Biden Baby at April 10, 2022 01:36 PM (Xrfse)

305 >>> 295 I'm late to the party, so apologies if this point has already been discussed.

The near-term gigantic problem with the political push for electric-powered everything is how to keep enough natural gas and coal plants running until renewable- and NUCLEAR-generated electricity is capable of supplying reliable base-load power coast to coast. And at a reasonable price for the energy they'll generate.

Base-load power is the most important of the many things the zero carbon emissions lunatics don't understand. Driving-up the price of natural gas, coal, and oil to artificially force a wide-scale near-term shift to renewables is insane; driving the gas and coal power plants and gas/diesel cars out of use before alternatives electricity sources are on-line at the required base-load scale is criminally insane.
Posted by: Gref at April 10, 2022 01:35 PM (AMIL/)

*tee hee*

Posted by: Great Resetters at April 10, 2022 01:37 PM (llON8)

306 pawn

Fair enough.

Room temperature superconductivity, new nuke power plants, and catalysis is where the research dollars should go. Algae hydrocarbons is a side effort that keeps genetic engineers from doing GOF research.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:37 PM (u82oZ)

307 Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 01:32 PM (Msys3)

++++

LOL

Posted by: washrivergal at April 10, 2022 01:37 PM (VGZ9M)

308 There is a beer named Zuul?
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2022 01:36 PM (7/mPk)

If not, there damn well should be.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 10, 2022 01:37 PM (4I/2K)

309
The highways and cars
Were sacrificed for agriculture
I thought that we'd start over
But I guess I was wrong.
Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey


They unpaved a parking lot and put up a paradise.

Posted by: Mitchell Joni at April 10, 2022 01:38 PM (63Dwl)

310 286 Generally I'm able to warm my home completely using the generated heat from me continually walking to every space in the house turning off the light switches that are on in empty rooms.
Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 01:32 PM (Msys3)

Dad?

Posted by: m at April 10, 2022 01:38 PM (rI4Wv)

311 Gref

Your arguments are never late, but just on time.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:38 PM (u82oZ)

312 spot on, Joe ... it's worth noting, as an aside, that for the 2nd year in a row, the average lifespan has gone down.

funny how that happens when we are decivilizing, innit ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez -gaslighted?, more like napalmed at April 10, 2022 01:38 PM (enSii)

313 "One of these 'green energy' companies just plead guilty to killing at least 150 bald eagles and other birds of prey in nine states with their wind turbines. "

No. They plead guilty to not getting the proper bureaucratic permits to kill those eagles. Big difference. All those windmills are killing birds, it's just that you've gotta pay off the right folks to do it.

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at April 10, 2022 01:39 PM (OafoN)

314 310 286 Generally I'm able to warm my home completely using the generated heat from me continually walking to every space in the house turning off the light switches that are on in empty rooms.
Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 01:32 PM (Msys3)

Dad?
Posted by: m at April 10, 2022 01:38 PM (rI4Wv)

Nah, that would be "I'M NOT PAYING TO (heat/cool) THE WHOLE GODDAMN NEIGHBORHOOD!!!"

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 01:39 PM (II3Gr)

315 312 spot on, Joe ... it's worth noting, as an aside, that for the 2nd year in a row, the average lifespan has gone down.

funny how that happens when we are decivilizing, innit ?
Posted by: sock_rat_eez -gaslighted?, more like napalmed at April 10, 2022 01:38 PM (enSii)

To what is this attributable? Increased homicides? Overdoses? Suicide?

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 01:41 PM (II3Gr)

316 sock_rat_eez -gaslighted?, more like napalmed

Lots of death by suicide, Clot shots, and drugs bring the life-span down. Gotta be mentally strong for you to find the future.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:41 PM (u82oZ)

317 Thanks for the clarification so the Federal government wasn't concerned with the animals but only making sure they got their piece of the action.

Mafia government.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2022 01:41 PM (7/mPk)

318 Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker.

My Dad too, bless him. He survived very tough times as a youth. And still is my hero, 16 years after his death.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:42 PM (u82oZ)

319 >>> 314 310 286 Generally I'm able to warm my home completely using the generated heat from me continually walking to every space in the house turning off the light switches that are on in empty rooms.
Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 01:32 PM (Msys3)

Dad?
Posted by: m at April 10, 2022 01:38 PM (rI4Wv)

Nah, that would be "I'M NOT PAYING TO (heat/cool) THE WHOLE GODDAMN NEIGHBORHOOD!!!"
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 01:39 PM (II3Gr)

There was an "ad council" commercial a few years back where Some Dood cranks the AC down low and then wanders around an empty house opening all the doors and windows. Then he gets on the phone and ... "Yeah Dad, I just moved in. Guess what? I'm COOLING THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD!"

I laughed.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 10, 2022 01:42 PM (llON8)

320 314 310 286 Generally I'm able to warm my home completely using the generated heat from me continually walking to every space in the house turning off the light switches that are on in empty rooms.
Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 01:32 PM (Msys3)

Dad?
Posted by: m at April 10, 2022 01:38 PM (rI4Wv)

Nah, that would be "I'M NOT PAYING TO (heat/cool) THE WHOLE GODDAMN NEIGHBORHOOD!!!"
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 01:39 PM (II3Gr)

*eyeroll*
--kids on hearing that from Dad

Posted by: m at April 10, 2022 01:42 PM (rI4Wv)

321 The hemp industry I heard about was for an alternate crop for farmers. There is no useful amount of THC (not sure of the CBD part) ... but it is a rope/fabric .. not sure what else. ...

$824M of hemp produced in 2021. 54,152 acres.

Floral hemp was 15,980 acres, but $621M of the value. I guess that is the kind that produced THC and CBD? More expensive than rope. That's a lot of weed, yet much more brought in illegibly, I assume.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 10, 2022 01:43 PM (Cus5s)

322 Anna Puma

Good morning to you.

We have a simultaneous Kleptocracy, Kakistocracy, and fascist oligarchical government.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:44 PM (u82oZ)

323 319 There was an "ad council" commercial a few years back where Some Dood cranks the AC down low and then wanders around an empty house opening all the doors and windows. Then he gets on the phone and ... "Yeah Dad, I just moved in. Guess what? I'm COOLING THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD!"

I laughed.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 10, 2022 01:42 PM (llON

Ha!

Posted by: m at April 10, 2022 01:44 PM (rI4Wv)

324 Eight out of every ten American chirruns will never have a bald eagle.

Posted by: The Ad Council at April 10, 2022 01:44 PM (Xrfse)

325 People bemoan 'cliques' but there are always cliques. Can you imagine how gross any blog would be if it tried to squelch cliques? How many nanny rules would there be and the cliques would still be around?

and I suspect an honest analysis would show that its not that the complainers mind the existence of cliques. Its just that they either think the clique should include them or should exclude some poster that they find irritating and can't understand why the nice cool posters like nic XYZ.

Posted by: PaleRider, simply irredeemable at April 10, 2022 01:45 PM (3cGpq)

326 ...or a pony.

Posted by: The Ad Council at April 10, 2022 01:45 PM (Xrfse)

327 >>> 324 Eight out of every ten American chirruns will never have a bald eagle.
Posted by: The Ad Council at April 10, 2022 01:44 PM (Xrfse)

"Won't you help end Childhood Hunger by shrinking and eliminating Food Deserts???"

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 10, 2022 01:46 PM (llON8)

328 PaleRider, simply irredeemable

This is a high signal to noise blog. You have to contribute value. Humor is one value.

Otherwise we would be like the ZeroHedge or YouTube commenters.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:46 PM (u82oZ)

329 302 Some experts say the Whippletree is in the top 5 of the most important inventions ever.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 10, 2022 01:36 PM (Gzbwp)

+++

A great many, life-changing inventions have been created. Two of my favorites are the electric fan and safety reflectors.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 10, 2022 01:47 PM (VGZ9M)

330 People bemoan 'cliques' but there are always cliques.

Posted by: PaleRider, simply irredeemable at April 10, 2022 01:45 PM (3cGpq)

True. Some complainers may object to herd mentality and behavior, regardless of whether they are in-clique or out, if we are doing an honest analysis.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at April 10, 2022 01:48 PM (SH2Zi)

331 The hemp industry I heard about was for an alternate crop for farmers. There is no useful amount of THC (not sure of the CBD part) ... but it is a rope/fabric .. not sure what else. ...

$824M of hemp produced in 2021. 54,152 acres.
Posted by: illiniwek

The rancher I know that grows hemp sells the seeds only as some type of hippie food. His variety does not have marketable fiber or weed uses.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 01:49 PM (Msys3)

332 And at a reasonable price for the energy they'll generate.

I have a suspicion that the left hates cheap energy because they want energy to be rare and used by the elite who deserve it most, while the rabble can get by on making fires with sticks.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 01:49 PM (KZzsI)

333 I still don't know how many watts are in a donut.

Posted by: fd at April 10, 2022 01:50 PM (vrz2I)

334 I like pi!!!

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid honors math at April 10, 2022 01:50 PM (n/szn)

335 This is a high signal to noise blog. You have to contribute value. Humor is one value.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:46 PM (u82oZ)

A/K/A, "hooting apes what hoot."

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at April 10, 2022 01:50 PM (SH2Zi)

336 Having built outposts in oil country around the world - Kazakhstan, North and Sub- Saharan Africa, etc., the priorities are always power, water, sanitation and the difference between living inside that world and literally just outside of it, is indeed life and death. These liberal assholes would not last a week in places like Angola in the jungles or the deep desert in Libya - North Face jackets ain't saving your ass.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at April 10, 2022 01:50 PM (oWBc3)

337 flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur

We have so many different opinions on crossbows, Mary Ann, and much more.

Me, I'm moving into the Lovie Howell (Natalie Schafer) phase, leaving behind Ginger and May Ann. A tryst with those two would be a big finish.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:51 PM (u82oZ)

338
"Eight out of every ten American chirruns will never have a bald eagle."

I have one, but he identifies as a chihuahua.

Posted by: Speller at April 10, 2022 01:51 PM (pSotA)

339 BS Salty. I've wasted pixels here for years and not been kicked off. Sometimes ignored, when there are more interesting comments but never kicked off.

Posted by: PaleRider, simply irredeemable at April 10, 2022 01:51 PM (3cGpq)

340 flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur

Hoot!

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:52 PM (u82oZ)

341 And at a reasonable price for the energy they'll generate.

I have a suspicion that the left hates cheap energy because they want energy to be rare and used by the elite who deserve it most, while the rabble can get by on making fires with sticks.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 01:49 PM (KZzsI)

I suspect that, if you delve down deep enough to the root motivation, you would find a depopulation motive.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at April 10, 2022 01:52 PM (SH2Zi)

342 Buy your bald eagle a lace wig today.

Posted by: Ad Council at April 10, 2022 01:52 PM (63Dwl)

343 I saw a YouTube video about a house that was built to maximize winter sun and minimize summer sun. It was built using angles based on where the sun would be different times of the year. Pretty cool how it was done and made heating and cooling the house super efficient.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 10, 2022 01:52 PM (Bh76f)

344 >>> 332
.....
I have a suspicion that the left hates cheap energy because they want energy to be rare and used by the elite who deserve it most, while the rabble can get by on making fires with sticks.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 01:49 PM (KZzsI)

We are important, unlike you people who are too numerous.

Posted by: Great Resetters at April 10, 2022 01:52 PM (llON8)

345 New government program - toupees for bald eagles.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2022 01:52 PM (7/mPk)

346 Won't you help end Childhood Hunger by shrinking and eliminating Food Deserts???

The food deserts thing is a super tough sell, because they aren't even talking about hunger. A food desert is an area that only has shops that supply crappy food, like fast food and convenience stores. Its not that there's no food, its just not very healthy food.

And its a tough sell to get people to support eliminating or replacing cheeseburgers and pepperoni sticks with broccoli.

Besides, the reason the good food is in megamarts off in the distance is that regulation and minimum wages make it economically impossible to keep a small market going in the neighborhood. The Euro solution is to heavily subsidize the shops, of course.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 01:53 PM (KZzsI)

347 I still don't know how many watts are in a donut.

What's wrong with you? That's basic math.

Posted by: Lt. Col. Bearclaw at April 10, 2022 01:53 PM (Xrfse)

348 True. Some complainers may object to herd mentality and behavior, regardless of whether they are in-clique or out, if we are doing an honest analysis.
Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at April 10, 2022 01:48 PM (SH2Zi)

Of course they're inevitable in any significant social grouping. It can range from just silly and juvenile "cool kids" stuff, to common interests, to cults of personality to sycophancy. The herd mentality that can manifest at times even among people who meanwhile declare themselves fiercely independent-minded is an interesting part of human behavior. There really is a very strong desire to belong innate in most people and how it works out is interesting to watch.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 01:53 PM (II3Gr)

349 PaleRider, simply irredeemable

Hunh. You are on the good person list.

Ace banned me way back in the day. Maybe I posted on an old thread. Took a year to get back on the blog. And the Barrel and I are longstanding acquaintances.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:54 PM (u82oZ)

350 I have a suspicion that the left hates cheap energy because they want energy to be rare and used by the elite who deserve it most, while the rabble can get by on making fires with sticks.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 01:49 PM (KZzsI)

We dreamed of making fires with sticks. Our only fuel source for fires to make light and heat was burning dried dung. We had to scavenge and carry fresh dung from the fields every daylight minute of the day to the processing and drying area and form into cooking bricks.

Posted by: A Yorkshireman at April 10, 2022 01:54 PM (4I/2K)

351 The clique behavior that I dislike but under is the pass given to certain posters because of their clique status.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 10, 2022 01:54 PM (Gzbwp)

352 I'm moving into the Lovie Howell (Natalie Schafer) phase

Yeah she's a lovely and very kind, classy lady that I respect and like more and more in retrospect.

But Maryann is such a cutie and seems like a real sweetheart

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 01:54 PM (KZzsI)

353 This is a high signal to noise blog. You have to contribute value. Humor is one value.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:46 PM (u82oZ)

A/K/A, "hooting apes what hoot."
Posted by: flounder

Woot woot! Shit slinging apes what sling shit. Woot woot!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2022 01:54 PM (H4qIP)

354 I still don't know how many watts are in a donut.

We measured calories in one in high school, but I don't exactly remember how any more. It involved burning a donut which was kind of cool.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 01:55 PM (KZzsI)

355 >>> 351 The clique behavior that I dislike but under is the pass given to certain posters because of their clique status.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 10, 2022 01:54 PM (Gzbwp)

What did I ever do to you?!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 10, 2022 01:55 PM (llON8)

356 353 This is a high signal to noise blog. You have to contribute value. Humor is one value.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:46 PM (u82oZ)

A/K/A, "hooting apes what hoot."
Posted by: flounder

Woot woot! Shit slinging apes what sling shit. Woot woot!
Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2022 01:54 PM (H4qIP)

That's lousy poetry, but way better than Maya Angelou!

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 01:56 PM (II3Gr)

357 This is a high signal to noise blog. You have to contribute value. Humor is one value.
Posted by: NaCly Dog

Views/clicks are very important,too. As Ace said about his gainzz threads, they are low comment so he doesn't post them as often.

Content has to reach thousands that never comment for it to be financially sound, the comments are a bonus.

Posted by: old chick at April 10, 2022 01:56 PM (sOete)

358 I have a suspicion that the left hates cheap energy because they want energy to be rare and used by the elite who deserve it most, while the rabble can get by on making fires with sticks.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 01:49 PM (KZzsI)

We dreamed of making fires with sticks. Our only fuel source for fires to make light and heat was burning
Posted by: A Yorkshireman

elites. We will burn elites.
I don't know What makes them think they will be exempt.

French Revolution on line 2.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2022 01:56 PM (H4qIP)

359 We measured calories in one in high school, but I don't exactly remember how any more. It involved burning a donut which was kind of cool.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 01:55 PM (KZzsI)

You monster!

Posted by: Tater at April 10, 2022 01:57 PM (SH2Zi)

360 Helena Handbasket

If there is anyone who is in the "blog elite" group, it is you. You set a classy example for many. l

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:57 PM (u82oZ)

361 That's lousy poetry, but way better than Maya Angelou!

"Not enough figs"
--Barry O'Bama

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 01:57 PM (KZzsI)

362 The Gods of the Copybook Headings remain relevant.

Posted by: Zek at April 10, 2022 01:58 PM (9RLhb)

363 We measured calories in one in high school, but I don't exactly remember how any more. It involved burning a donut which was kind of cool.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor


Useless trivia: Fritos burn.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2022 01:58 PM (H4qIP)

364 357 As Ace said about his gainzz threads, they are low comment so he doesn't post them as often.
Posted by: old chick at April 10, 2022 01:56 PM (sOete)

I had missed his saying that.

Posted by: m at April 10, 2022 01:58 PM (rI4Wv)

365 A/K/A, "hooting apes what hoot."
Posted by: flounder

Woot woot! Shit slinging apes what sling shit. Woot woot!
Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2022 01:54 PM (H4qIP)

That's lousy poetry, but way better than Maya Angelou!
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 01:56 PM (II3Gr)

Crunchy figs and musty pelts in the grotto, anyone?

Posted by: Chicago Lightbringer at April 10, 2022 01:58 PM (4I/2K)

366
Crunchy apes
Sling shit
In the grotto

Posted by: Maya Jackieblue at April 10, 2022 01:58 PM (Xrfse)

367 old chick

Good point. Thanks.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:58 PM (u82oZ)

368 Great short-circuited minds think alike.

Posted by: Maya Jackieblue at April 10, 2022 01:59 PM (Xrfse)

369 Useless trivia: Fritos burn.

A Survivorman special. He showed a lot of cool things that work as firestarters, but Fritos he found were some of the best; they wouldn't go out as easily and burned longer than a lot of the options.

I loved that show. That crazy bastard.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 02:00 PM (KZzsI)

370 What is the big deal with energy? Every wall has electricity. Build a wall and prestige you have electricity.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 10, 2022 02:00 PM (Bh76f)

371 Green energy: Green energy/solar MIGHT work for home use, with the proper land space and battery storage.

It doesn't scale up for commercial usage. THAT'S what no one understands.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2022 02:00 PM (H4qIP)

372 Useless trivia: Fritos burn.

It's a grease fire.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 10, 2022 02:00 PM (Gzbwp)

373 Presto not prestige

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 10, 2022 02:01 PM (Bh76f)

374 328 This is a high signal to noise blog. You have to contribute value. Humor is one value.
Otherwise we would be like the ZeroHedge or YouTube commenters.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 10, 2022 01:46 PM (u82oZ)

I wonder what percentage of AoSHq readers are not AoSHq commenters.

Posted by: m at April 10, 2022 02:01 PM (rI4Wv)

375 1st at NOOD 1st at Peace

Posted by: Skip advising you of your Nood threads at April 10, 2022 02:01 PM (2JoB8)

376 "That's lousy poetry, but way better than Maya Angelou!"

In my yoot I used to read a lot of poetry. I have a rule to distinguish good poetry from crap, or at least to identify total crap. Total crap poetry is that which, if read without infection, has nothing of interest. Or conversely, that which is reliant on unusual stresses and inflections to give it any interest.

M.A. fails this test miserably. Her "poetry" is, in fact, the avatar of Crap Poetry. Without the hyper-emotive performance, it is about as impactful and interesting as a popcorn fart.

Posted by: Zek at April 10, 2022 02:02 PM (9RLhb)

377 373 Presto not prestige
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at April 10, 2022 02:01 PM (Bh76f)

Voila not viola.

Posted by: m at April 10, 2022 02:02 PM (rI4Wv)

378 It doesn't scale up for commercial usage. THAT'S what no one understands.

Most modern farms have some alternate energy stuff going on, not only for the deals it gives you (energy companies will give you cost breaks if you have a wind turbine or solar and there are tax write offs, for example) but because it can be used for limited application. But even the most hippie driven "green" "organic" farm doesn't try to run on solar and wind.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 02:02 PM (KZzsI)

379 I saw Burning Donuts open for Hole back in '91. The whole audience was glazed.

Posted by: fd at April 10, 2022 02:02 PM (vrz2I)

380 375 1st at NOOD 1st at Peace
Posted by: Skip advising you of your Nood threads at April 10, 2022 02:01 PM

Tx, Skip.

Posted by: m at April 10, 2022 02:02 PM (rI4Wv)

381 Ho damn. Just zero in on our life.

What a good article.

If we could just improve your taste in women. ha



Posted by: Braenyard at April 10, 2022 02:02 PM (iam1O)

382 A day or two on horseback AND armed like The Outlaw Josey Wales. And it goes without saying, you better damn well be prepared to fight like Josey Wales. This may be our future. GOD only knows.

Posted by: Eromero at April 10, 2022 02:04 PM (0OP+5)

383 I wonder what percentage of AoSHq readers are not AoSHq commenters.

The rule is something like 100:1 if I remember correctly; some rather large number. I think the erudition, education, and skill of some commenters (other than myself) intimidates some into not dipping their toe into the water, here. Its like dropping by the Inklings and trying to talk about how you read a Jack Reacher book.

Total crap poetry is that which, if read without infection, has nothing of interest. Or conversely, that which is reliant on unusual stresses and inflections to give it any interest.

Ogden Nash passes this test
Actually, that is a brilliant test, its so simple but so obvious. I will have to remember that.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 02:05 PM (KZzsI)

384 Most modern farms have some alternate energy stuff going on, not only for the deals it gives you (energy companies will give you cost breaks if you have a wind turbine or solar and there are tax write offs, for example) but because it can be used for limited application. But even the most hippie driven "green" "organic" farm doesn't try to run on solar and wind.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor


What size solar farm and battery bank is needed for a 72 story high rise to heat, cool, light, & run elevators 7 days a week?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2022 02:06 PM (H4qIP)

385 That was the strangest troll.

Posted by: pawn at April 10, 2022 02:06 PM (Cfk8j)

386 Views/clicks are very important,too. As Ace said about his gainzz threads, they are low comment so he doesn't post them as often.

That doesn't sound right - comments pages don't have ads, because Ace couldn't get the commenters to agree to moderate their language. So comment density shouldn't matter to the bottom line.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 10, 2022 02:07 PM (haMNq)

387 I wonder what percentage of AoSHq readers are not AoSHq commenters.
Posted by: m

It would be interesting to know how many people come to aos for the content of the articles Ace/cobloggers offer daily, as compared to the people that come to mostly comment.

It probably would boggle the mind to know how many people read only this site.

Posted by: old chick at April 10, 2022 02:07 PM (sOete)

388 77 nurse ratched- Your comment made me laugh!

Posted by: Theodore at April 10, 2022 02:10 PM (GJnvT)

389 Views/clicks are very important,too. As Ace said about his gainzz threads, they are low comment so he doesn't post them as often.

That doesn't sound right - comments pages don't have ads, because Ace couldn't get the commenters to agree to moderate their language. So comment density shouldn't matter to the bottom line.

Posted by: Ian S

I just know Ace mentioned comments re gainzz threads. If I am incorrectly paraphrasing him he or a cob will correct me.

Posted by: old chick at April 10, 2022 02:11 PM (sOete)

390 What deserts have food?

Posted by: Javems at April 10, 2022 02:11 PM (AmoqO)

391 "What size solar farm and battery bank is needed for a 72 story high rise to heat, cool, light, & run elevators 7 days a week?"

that is very tall. they tried (or did the math at least) pumping water to top floors, and then piping it down at night, as a hydro generator. Forget exactly why, but it was not practical. Probably too much weight at the top, for one thing.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 10, 2022 02:12 PM (Cus5s)

392 383 I wonder what percentage of AoSHq readers are not AoSHq commenters.
The rule is something like 100:1 if I remember correctly; some rather large number.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 02:05 PM (KZzsI)

Golly.

Posted by: m at April 10, 2022 02:14 PM (rI4Wv)

393 "What size solar farm and battery bank is needed for a 72 story high rise to heat, cool, light, & run elevators 7 days a week?"

that is very tall. they tried (or did the math at least) pumping water to top floors, and then piping it down at night, as a hydro generator. Forget exactly why, but it was not practical. Probably too much weight at the top, for one thing.
Posted by: illiniwek


Every major city has at least one building that tall as it's downtown anchor. Lots of 30+ to 50 stories. Where do all the solar panels go with corresponding line loss transferring electricity to the building?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2022 02:16 PM (H4qIP)

394 Where do all the solar panels go with corresponding line loss transferring electricity to the building?

Not in my backyard!!!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 10, 2022 02:18 PM (KZzsI)

395 Where do all the solar panels go with corresponding line loss transferring electricity to the building?
Posted by: rickb223
------------

Put them on the roof, silly.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 10, 2022 02:19 PM (iam1O)

396 America, writ large, is the spoiled rotten children of a business tycoon.

Spoiled brats that take their pampered lives for granted, and not only have no fucking idea HOW their parents got there, but actively attack everything that make their lives possible.

And then when the wealth is gone they turn MEAN.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at April 10, 2022 02:30 PM (setIA)

397 "Depends on the price - because, as we've seen - neither you or I get to call the tune - we can only pay our share of the piper - or sit it out.

You're still vague - get specific. What exactly is "pre-modern" or "functionally industrial" to you ? Because I can envision a regressions of decades - up to over a century - both in standard of living and technology - that would suit me just fine.

Posted by: Nope at April 10, 2022 12:20 PM (46g+/)"

The problem is this isn't a dial you get to use to select the level of pastoralism you want to get. Once the the slide gathers momentum there is no stopping. I'll give you a hard cutoff: pre-50's logistics with cargo nets cannot sustain 8+ billion people, or 2 billion with modern conveniences. We won't lose the idea of containers but throughput can drop.

I can only think of one human tsunami of displaced people on the kind of intensity we're probably talking about in (barely) recorded history - the late bronze age collapse - and we're still trying to figure out who all was even involved in that one because it sucked so hard that a coherent explanation hasn't survived in written form.

You are right, it is coming regardless.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at April 10, 2022 03:07 PM (BaGvt)

398 Those who lead from the left want the pillars of civilization to crack. That's the plan. They want their subjects to be poor, cold, hungry, dirty, sick and defenseless. They themselves can live comfortably for a long time on the dregs.

And if they can make us believe that men can become pregnant and need abortions, they can make us believe that we will be happy to see our rulers living in luxury, while they work ever so hard to raise us up from the self-inflicted misery we so richly deserve. If only we could learn to give up just a little bit more....

Posted by: checklight at April 10, 2022 03:46 PM (eJWt/)

399 Counterpoint: there's no such thing as a well-respected commenter here.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 10, 2022 01:19 PM (haMNq)



Your words are hurtful.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 10, 2022 03:52 PM (yQpMk)

400 The videos coming out of Shanghai are very disturbing.

Especially the one with the people shouting from the apt towers.

25 million people locked down for two weeks so far.

tick tock tick tock

Posted by: weirdflunky at April 10, 2022 04:04 PM (cknjq)

401 The one non-material component is a decent morality.

And the same folks who want "green" energy also want most of our morals gone.

Posted by: GWB at April 10, 2022 11:50 PM (D/wPf)

402 I've been in one of the provinces of the Philippines for 9 days. We've had three separate whole days of no electricity and no water.

Be grateful for those blessings of technology and the hard work of those who made it happen.

Posted by: Somsel at April 11, 2022 06:52 AM (dDsZj)

(Jump to top of page)






Processing 0.05, elapsed 0.0476 seconds.
15 queries taking 0.0162 seconds, 411 records returned.
Page size 229 kb.
Powered by Minx 0.8 beta.



MuNuvians
MeeNuvians
Polls! Polls! Polls!
Frequently Asked Questions
The (Almost) Complete Paul Anka Integrity Kick
Top Top Tens
Greatest Hitjobs

The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat