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Wednesday Morning Guest Rant [Joe Mannix]
But the fact is that I think that the - I'm happy to debate and have a referendum on how I handle the economy, whether or not I've made progress on when - look, again - how can I - I'm taking too long answering your questions. I apologize.Okay. You asked for it. Let's look at some key economic indicators from the past three years, comparing data for the month of December or Q4, depending on availability. Where applicable, all data are seasonally adjusted. Data source is the Bureau of Labor Statistics:
| 2019 | 2020 | 2021 | |
| Labor Force | 164,633,000 | 160,671,000 | 162,294,000 |
| Total Nonfarm Employment | 151,919,000 | 142,503,000 | 148,951,000 |
| Labor Participation Rate | 63.3 | 61.5 | 61.9 |
| Productivity (change from year ago) | +0.6% | -3.4% | -5.2% |
| CPI-U | 258.203 | 261.56 | 280.192 |
| Urban Gasoline Index | 240.923 | 204.217 | 305.483 |
| Urban Energy Index | 219.718 | 203.716 | 264.08 |
| Urban Food Index | 260.393 | 270.656 | 287.67 |
| Med. full-time pretax weekly wages | 936 | 984 | 1,010 |
Okay, so there's the BLS data. Let's compare each item from December or Q4 2021 to the final pre-pandemic month (December/Q4, 2019) and the final Trump month (December/Q4, 2020).
| Compare 2019 |
Compare 2020 |
Relative 2019 |
Relative 2020 | |
| Labor Force | -2,339,000 (-1.4%) |
+1,623,000 (1.0%) |
Worse | Better |
| Total Nonfarm Employment | -2,968,000 (-1.96%) |
+6,448,000 (4.5%) |
Worse | Better |
| Labor Participation Rate | -0.033 (2.2%) |
+0.4 (0.07%) |
Worse | Better |
| Productivity (change from year ago) | Already Relative | Already Relative | Worse | Worse |
| CPI-U | +21.989 (8.5%) |
+18.632 (7.1%) |
Worse | Worse |
| Urban Gasoline Index | +64.56 (+26.8%) |
+101.266 (49.6%) |
Worse | Worse |
| Urban Energy Index | +44.632 (20.2%) |
+60.364 (29.6%) |
Worse | Worse |
| Urban Food Index | +27.277 (10.5%) |
+17.014 (6.3%) |
Worse | Worse |
| Med. full-time pretax weekly wages | +74 (7.9%) |
+26 (2.6%) |
Better* | Better* |
That's not a good scorecard. He's not going to be judged only on his first year in office, but also as compared to the Dread Trump and the good times we had before the pandemic was used a justification to blow up the world.
Compared to a year a go, Brandon has improved on the labor force, total employment and the participation rate. Everything else is worse except *gross earnings, which are up, but by less than CPI-U growth and by a lot less than the Gasoline, Energy and Food sub-indices.
Compared to the last pre-pandemic year, though, every single category is worse. The labor force is smaller. Employment is smaller. Participation is lower. Productivity is down. Prices are up. Gasoline and energy are up hugely. Food is up by a lot. *Wages are up haven't kept pace with anything.
If you're spinning this like mad, it's mediocre at best compared to Trump's last month and the improvement (the employment figures) were essentially a fait accompli as restrictions started to wind down. Prices and wages are out of control and that squeeze is getting worse every day and everyone has no choice but to notice it. But even that's just as compared to Trump's last month. Compared to the final pre-pandemic month/quarter, everything is an unmitigated disaster in every respect.
You're happy to have a referendum on how you've handled the economy, Brandon? You want to run on your economic performance? Are you sure about that? Because if you're running on that, your prospects are about as good as the Wermacht's were around, say, April of 1945.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022 11:00 AM (HhfIU)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022 11:01 AM (HhfIU)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022 11:01 AM (HhfIU)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022 11:01 AM (HhfIU)
Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 11:01 AM (URNdm)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022 11:02 AM (HhfIU)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 11:02 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Heart at January 26, 2022 11:02 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: fluffy at January 26, 2022 11:03 AM (tIat9)
Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2022 11:03 AM (axyOa)
"Steiner came! Mostly in my Depends."
- - Reich Marshall Josef Soft-Serve
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2022 11:03 AM (s2VJv)
Posted by: Oldstoke at January 26, 2022 11:04 AM (sb+Cg)
Posted by: Joe Biden, deadpanning at January 26, 2022 11:04 AM (h5TKJ)
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:04 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: DaveA at January 26, 2022 11:04 AM (FhXTo)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 26, 2022 11:04 AM (p+1gI)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at January 26, 2022 11:04 AM (FVME7)
Normally this sort of crap happens during a war. And of course Biden is at war. With America.
Posted by: Endorsed by Muhammed at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (ESjRY)
Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (gmo/4)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (uXonU)
So you're saying there's a chance.
Posted by: Joe Biden at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (Y5qcH)
Posted by: Some Moron at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (ESjRY)
Posted by: Igor at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (h5TKJ)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022 11:01 AM (HhfIU)
I agree. It looks like something coming out of the pods in "Invasion of the Body Snatchers."
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (Zz0t1)
soeaking of ugly but funny
Psaki impersonation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJqb-Nn765k
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (lCui1)
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:06 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (uXonU)
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Biden's a retard for *inviting* a "referendum on his handling of the economy."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:06 AM (DU+/6)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 26, 2022 11:06 AM (V6f9+)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at January 26, 2022 11:04 AM
*points*
There. There Macht. There...Schloss.
Posted by: Eyegore at January 26, 2022 11:06 AM (HhfIU)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 26, 2022 11:06 AM (vuisn)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 11:07 AM (uXonU)
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So you're saying there's a chance.
Posted by: Joe Biden at January 26, 2022
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Adolf *thought* there was a chance. So does F. Joe.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:07 AM (txdEq)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (uXonU)
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Biden's a retard for *inviting* a "referendum on his handling of the economy."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:06 AM (DU+/6)
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It could have been a referendum on his handling of foreign policy, or national security, or his ability to pass major legislation.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 11:07 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 11:08 AM (o2MD2)
Posted by: Lizzy
He's a chocolate monkey, in a basket of Easter grass! Yeah, that's the ticket!
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at January 26, 2022 11:08 AM (OssQ4)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022
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Biden's a retard for *inviting* a "referendum on his handling of the economy."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022
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Shorter version:
"Biden's a retard."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:08 AM (txdEq)
That being said, wouldn't want to piss him off as he looks like he'd tear off one limb from limb.
Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at January 26, 2022 11:09 AM (UqbE6)
Posted by: Mishdog at January 26, 2022 11:09 AM (/VWLE)
Tucker Carlson: "A friend just sent this tweet: 'Having lost in Afghanistan, the graveyard of empires, the regime's next military adventure, invading Russia in winter.'"
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 11:09 AM (lMmuq)
Posted by: Some Moron at January 26, 2022
***
Vampire Willow was *hot.*
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:09 AM (txdEq)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 11:09 AM (o2MD2)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 26, 2022 11:10 AM (O7mKc)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 11:10 AM (5pTK/)
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 26, 2022 11:10 AM (Ynyl9)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 26, 2022 11:11 AM (2JVJo)
When the elites are challenged, they respond in drastic ways. You will never convince me that covid wasn't planned or that the 2020 election wasn't stolen.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 26, 2022 11:11 AM (KbCG3)
Is that enraged primate the final product of the CDC's engineered monkeys that they are inexplicably trucking around the nation?
And that shredded material --- excelsior!
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at January 26, 2022 11:11 AM (2iDSr)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at January 26, 2022 11:04 AM (FVME7)
Weremacht! Which, if it isn't the German word for cyborg, should be.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at January 26, 2022 11:11 AM (cupoy)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 11:11 AM (o2MD2)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 26, 2022
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That's a typo. He meant "more *jabs* were created."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:11 AM (txdEq)
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
Same on both counts.
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at January 26, 2022 11:12 AM (OssQ4)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (uXonU)
Shelves are empty, gas is sky-high and you can only afford to eat cockroach pate, but the Dems are still going to win.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 26, 2022 11:12 AM (2JVJo)
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at January 26, 2022 11:12 AM (J7wri)
Posted by: BignJames at January 26, 2022 11:13 AM (AwYPR)
Tucker Carlson: "A friend just sent this tweet: 'Having lost in Afghanistan, the graveyard of empires, the regime's next military adventure, invading Russia in winter.'"
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 11:09 AM (lMmuq)
***
Using the same General Staff.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2022 11:13 AM (axyOa)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 26, 2022 11:13 AM (d3guq)
The junta compounds their DumbShit-ism by printing money and shoveling it out the door, but until productivity increases, we have a big economic problem.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 11:13 AM (lMmuq)
Posted by: steevy at January 26, 2022 11:14 AM (CYnTg)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022
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It's warmer down in Ukraine! It'll be fine!
Posted by: F. Joe B. at January 26, 2022 11:14 AM (txdEq)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 11:08 AM (o2MD2)
We say that about pelosi, and yet....
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 26, 2022 11:15 AM (VwHCD)
Posted by: 7man at January 26, 2022 11:15 AM (qwO6y)
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I think of that monkey as a gargoyle. Ugliness and threat in stone.
Recalling a cartoon of gargoyles as protectors . . .
Posted by: mustbequantum at January 26, 2022 11:15 AM (MIKMs)
Well chosen Joe M!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 26, 2022 11:15 AM (d3guq)
Posted by: Huck Follywood,
Paying people to sit on their asses is a sure fire way to lower productivity.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 11:15 AM (uXonU)
Posted by: CZ = FNG To Remain Silent Because, FNG at January 26, 2022 11:15 AM (MkuC5)
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 26, 2022 11:16 AM (Ynyl9)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 26, 2022 11:10 AM (O7mKc)
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Which is technically true per these stats. 6.5 million jobs created between December of 2020 and December of 2021, all because of some the restrictions relaxing over the course of 2021 and some of the COVID-related welfare drying up.
But total employment is still below - by 3 million jobs - the last pre-pandemic month of December, 2019. The economy in the past year has added a staggering number of jobs, but they aren't nearly enough to offset the losses caused by COVID response after many years of increasing employment during the Trump boom.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:16 AM (DU+/6)
Posted by: JT at January 26, 2022 11:17 AM (arJlL)
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:17 AM (bA3Ln)
Posted by: CZ = FNG To Remain Silent Because, FNG at January 26, 2022 11:15 AM (MkuC5)
Objection. Have you seen the skinny, pasty antifa types? They've never seen the inside of a gym. Trigglypuff is a better example of a prototypical progressive.
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 26, 2022 11:17 AM (a/dOO)
The media will never let statistics that put rezident retard in a bad light ever, ever see the light of day. Instead you get bullshit like "why inflation is actually a good thing."
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 26, 2022 11:17 AM (BFigT)
Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 11:17 AM (URNdm)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 11:15 AM (uXonU)
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Bernie Sanders has made a career out of it, so he can't understand the problem.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 11:17 AM (lMmuq)
Cliffs Notes; the economy sucks, but it's not dead, in spite of Brandon's best efforts ?
Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 11:17 AM (FBTwQ)
https://tinyurl.com/3dcv9rw8
LOL Bend over chumps.
Posted by: Capital Eff at January 26, 2022 11:18 AM (GYllL)
naw. he'll be good with just an industrial-sized can of that ronco spray-on hair.
Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at January 26, 2022 11:18 AM (Fbj1q)
Posted by: Gen Z, Probably at January 26, 2022 11:18 AM (e3OsQ)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 11:18 AM (lMmuq)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 26, 2022 11:18 AM (lxs27)
Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 26, 2022 11:19 AM (6liew)
Posted by: Gen Z, Probably at January 26, 2022 11:18 AM (e3OsQ)
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It's just subtraction and division. I think that only qualified as "arithmetic."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:19 AM (DU+/6)
https://tinyurl.com/3dcv9rw8
LOL Bend over chumps.
Posted by: Capital Eff
The current US diplomatic corps would find this pleasurable.
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at January 26, 2022 11:19 AM (J7wri)
Because you'll never face a true referendum, because everyone knows you aren't running in 2024. We're facing the referendum on your performance, and saying "fuck this shit, I'm out".
Posted by: 29+ Dem Representatives not running for re-election at January 26, 2022 11:19 AM (JCZqz)
It's like burning down a neighborhood and then bragging about all the new homes you've built after.
FJB can't even brag about jobs created or saved, since not saving them was the first step.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 11:20 AM (URNdm)
We did not expect this. We have no idea how this happened. They cheated. Vote for us.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at January 26, 2022 11:20 AM (cupoy)
Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022 11:20 AM (l0Lgi)
Never saw that coming!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 11:20 AM (5pTK/)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 26, 2022 11:21 AM (lxs27)
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I have had a surprising amount of success with the more naive green energy proponents by stating absolutely that I will not support an industry using slave and child labor for its' battery technology.
Posted by: mustbequantum at January 26, 2022 11:21 AM (MIKMs)
That monkey is just too ugly.
Posted by: DaveA at January 26, 2022 11:04 AM (FhXTo)
Okay, now I want a painting of a monkey by Lucian Freud.
Make it happen, CBD!
*claps hands*
Chop! Chop!
Posted by: naturalfake at January 26, 2022 11:21 AM (5NkmN)
Posted by: 29+ Dem Representatives not running for re-election at January 26, 2022 11:19 AM (JCZqz)
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There's a bit more context to that answer, which is embedded in the question. You'll see it in the transcript. He was asked whether he was worried about the 2022 midterms being viewed as a "referendum" on his performance. Then he vomited up that he welcomed such a referendum.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:21 AM (DU+/6)
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Tom is a pedophile, amirite?
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:21 AM (bA3Ln)
Cliffs Notes; the economy sucks, but it's not dead, in spite of Brandon's best efforts ?
Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 11:17 AM (FBTwQ)
You discussed SALT on the last thread? Man, now I have do open the art thread and search.
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 26, 2022 11:21 AM (a/dOO)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 11:21 AM (o2MD2)
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 26, 2022 11:22 AM (H8QX8)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 26, 2022 11:11 AM
Are there weremonkeys in London? 'Cause that thing's hair is pretty far from perfect.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022 11:22 AM (HhfIU)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 26, 2022
The Simpsons predicted that Tom Hanks would become the government propaganda spokesperson
I can't believe Tom walked right into it.
Posted by: SMOD at January 26, 2022 11:22 AM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 26, 2022 11:22 AM (Ik+Dg)
Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at January 26, 2022 11:18 AM (Fbj1q)
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That's a really funny scene between Beau and Jeff Bridges in "The Fabulous Baker Boys."
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 11:22 AM (5pTK/)
And there is Build Back Better in a nutshell.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 26, 2022 11:22 AM (jTmQV)
That picture is such a great find. Perfect for this segment.
Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022 11:23 AM (1vynn)
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at January 26, 2022 11:23 AM (wBpKf)
It's like burning down a neighborhood and then bragging about all the new homes you've built after.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 11:20 AM (URNdm)
So you enjoyed the Cash for Clunkers program. Wait until you see our next trick!
Posted by: Democrat Mystics with Economics degrees at January 26, 2022 11:23 AM (cupoy)
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 26, 2022 11:22 AM (H8QX
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Data? No. Facts? Yes - but only if they're visceral and in your face.
Empty shelves are a fact. Higher prices are a fact. Unemployment is a fact.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:23 AM (DU+/6)
I bought chicken thighs, meat loaf fixings and also turkey chili ingredients, by the way. All cheap, and delicious.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 11:23 AM (lMmuq)
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 26, 2022 11:23 AM (Ynyl9)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 26, 2022 11:24 AM (F4b8f)
In the 2007 version, a cartoon Hanks is shown saying, "Hello, I'm Tom Hanks. The US government has lost its credibility so it's borrowing some of mine."
Posted by: SMOD at January 26, 2022 11:24 AM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 26, 2022 11:22 AM (H8QX
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Dark Ages 2: Medieval Boogaloo.
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 11:24 AM (sfn+i)
https://tinyurl.com/yjt7wzc2
Posted by: Lizzy
!
I trusted you !
Posted by: JT at January 26, 2022 11:24 AM (arJlL)
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 26, 2022 11:22 AM (Ik+Dg)
The McDonald's here was putting help wanted fliers in every drive through bag.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 11:25 AM (Y5qcH)
Argument? Please. Panic and mail-in voting are what they need.
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 26, 2022 11:25 AM (H8QX8)
Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022
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Yes. It was a little over $2/gallon here in late 2019; it fell to $1.40 during April and May of '20. Now it's at $3 for 87 E10, $3.70 for E0 when you can find it, and about that for premium. And I know my area is not expensive compared to the NE and The People's Republic of Kalifornia.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:25 AM (txdEq)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 26, 2022 11:24 AM (F4b8f)
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Remember, PDT wanted lockdown madness to end on Easter a couple of years ago. For some reason, he backed off on that.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 11:25 AM (5pTK/)
Posted by: Skip
Of course, Tom is now a citizen of Greece so why does he think we care about his opinion of the US economy and politics?
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 26, 2022 11:25 AM (d3guq)
Posted by: Lizzy
__________
Why am I "creepy" lady?
Is it because I'm old? Ageist! Is it because I'm not pretty? Lookist! Is it because I'm bald? Hair-privileged bigot! Is it because I'm not human? Species-ist!
Why don't you check your elitist white lady privilege and stop being so exclusionary and judgmental and bigoted towards creatures who are different from you?
Posted by: Offended Ape preparing his Hate Speech lawsuit at January 26, 2022 11:26 AM (k4dH2)
Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 11:26 AM (URNdm)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 11:26 AM (lMmuq)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe
AND paying the mythical $15/hr.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 11:26 AM (uXonU)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 26, 2022 11:26 AM (F4b8f)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 26, 2022 11:24 AM (F4b8f)
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Remember, PDT wanted lockdown madness to end on Easter a couple of years ago. For some reason, he backed off on that.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 11:25 AM (5pTK/)
Well it was the states locking down. Trump took the approach from the beginning that the states were able to decide how they wanted to handle things.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 26, 2022 11:26 AM (z5Vrg)
Otherwise, with inflation running rampart, even people in lower tax states will start hitting the cap, as nominal wages (and therefore state income taxes) rise and similarly local property taxes. Eventually, you will have much more than 13% of people affected by the SALT cap. It will become like the AMT did 5 years ago, when instead of affecting the richest 155 people, it was starting to ensnare over 5 million filers.
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 26, 2022 11:26 AM (a/dOO)
Posted by: Skip
Of course, Tom is now a citizen of Greece so why does he think we care about his opinion of the US economy and politics?
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron
Apparently he has dual citizenship.
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at January 26, 2022 11:27 AM (J7wri)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 11:27 AM (o2MD2)
Posted by: SMOD at January 26, 2022 11:24 AM (RHGPo)
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What does Zero + Zero equal these days?
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 11:27 AM (sfn+i)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 26, 2022 11:26 AM (z5Vrg)
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"We shut down our economies without Trump's involvement. Also, the economic downturn is Trump's fault."
-NY and CA
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 11:27 AM (LvTSG)
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Have you ever studied the economy of Greece? For a Greek, Biden is an improvement.
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:27 AM (bA3Ln)
Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 11:28 AM (URNdm)
Remove it entirely. Deducting federal taxes off of state taxes is idiotic.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 11:28 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 11:27 AM (sfn+i)
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Oh, I know this!
#winning!
What do I get?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 11:28 AM (5pTK/)
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at January 26, 2022
***
That's an idea. Instead of an ape, now and then we could have a pic of the giant bipedal lizard from Venus, the Ymir, in 20 Million Miles to Earth!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:28 AM (txdEq)
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at January 26, 2022 11:12 AM (J7wri)
Do you want planet of the apes? Because that's how you get planet of the apes.
Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 11:29 AM (gmo/4)
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This Arizonan won't be buying one.
I have an innate hostility towards anything called "maverick."
Posted by: Offended Ape preparing his Hate Speech lawsuit at January 26, 2022 11:29 AM (k4dH2)
Posted by: Indignatio Vindicatorem at January 26, 2022 11:29 AM (oWBc3)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 11:23 AM (lMmuq)
Turkey chili is an abomination.
[Central Jersey? How's Wegmans?]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 26, 2022 11:29 AM (Q9lwr)
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 26, 2022 11:29 AM (sVtYq)
Like I have always said about Mrs. F.'s rich lib family: they can afford to be socialists.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 26, 2022 11:29 AM (EZebt)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 26, 2022 11:29 AM (/U27+)
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:30 AM (bA3Ln)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy
Honestly? That's all a truck should cost.
You want a Cadillac, buy a Cadillac.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 11:30 AM (uXonU)
I have an innate hostility towards anything called "maverick."
Posted by: Offended Ape preparing his Hate Speech lawsuit at January 26, 2022 11:29 AM (k4dH2)
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While we appreciate your concerns want to appeal to all customers, the Arizonan driving ape population is not large enough to justify tailoring our operations.
Posted by: Ford Motor Company at January 26, 2022 11:30 AM (DU+/6)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022 11:01 AM (HhfIU)
I ain't no monkey, asshole!!
Posted by: Bald, Muscular Ape at January 26, 2022 11:30 AM (HKXbk)
Remove it entirely. Deducting federal taxes off of state taxes is idiotic.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 11:28 AM (LvTSG)
I propose an even more modest change:
A 10% flat tax on everyone
Adjust percentage the following year as needed to hit budget numbers.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 26, 2022 11:30 AM (V6f9+)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron
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When Hanks is heard these days yelling "Will sooooooooooooon", all the neighborhood boys run and hide.
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 11:31 AM (sfn+i)
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They named it Maverick. What the fuck were they thinking.
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:31 AM (bA3Ln)
A 10% flat tax on everyone
Adjust percentage the following year as needed to hit budget numbers.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 26, 2022 11:30 AM (V6f9+)
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If the federal government can just print and borrow to fund itself, I say it eliminate all federal taxes and fees.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 11:31 AM (LvTSG)
You're not wrong. Not in the slightest. It's the broken window theory of economics.
Yeah - if you send the kids around to throw rocks through windows, that will indeed spur economic activity. Throw enough rocks, and everybody is back to work. But, in the macro sense, wealth hasn't been created. Perfectly good windows were destroyed, just to have more windows installed.
It would make equally good sense to pay the window makers and installers to get that dirt out of Boss Kean's ditch, only to get that dirt back out of Boss Kean's yard.
Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 11:31 AM (FBTwQ)
Posted by: red speck at January 26, 2022 11:31 AM (gS3OW)
It would make equally good sense to pay the window makers and installers to get that dirt out of Boss Kean's ditch, only to get that dirt back out of Boss Kean's yard.
Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 11:31 AM (FBTwQ)
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"I was going to buy a suit instead..."
-The guy who owns the broken windows
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 11:32 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Puddin Head
Agree, I'm also sure Tom and his wife moved there because their money makes them extremely wealthy Greeks.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 26, 2022 11:32 AM (d3guq)
Boy, I really don't like the look of that monkey.
He'll rip your lungs out, Jim!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
I'd like to meet his Colonel Taylor.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 26, 2022 11:32 AM (63Dwl)
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 26, 2022 11:33 AM (Ynyl9)
I propose an even more modest change:
A 10% flat tax on everyone
Adjust percentage the following year as needed to hit budget numbers.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 26, 2022 11:30 AM (V6f9+)
While we're at it, federal spending cannot exceed last years tax revenues.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at January 26, 2022 11:33 AM (cupoy)
A 10% flat tax on everyone
Adjust percentage the following year as needed to hit budget numbers.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 26, 2022 11:30 AM (V6f9+)
That 10% quickly becomes 50%, followed by a equitable distribution to all *residents* of the United States regardless of immigration status, which is then in the budget.
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 26, 2022 11:34 AM (a/dOO)
I've heard bonuses, time off & other awards during the last calendar year were "blazing" (outstanding) and office workers are now scheduled to be returning (to some greater degree) towards the end of February.
Many states follow similar patterns to that of the Feds.
Posted by: Lola at January 26, 2022 11:34 AM (xjz83)
I mentioned to my wife we should return and buy several of each and every one. They only require water, and in some cases, meat. Shelf life is probably 10 years.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 26, 2022 11:34 AM (BFigT)
https://tinyurl.com/mwa7dmun
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 11:27 AM
I find this game...disturbing. How 'bout a sexy blonde vet to cleanse the palate.
https://tinyurl.com/25c7sp74
Posted by: Anon Military Moron at January 26, 2022 11:34 AM (JCZqz)
A 10% flat tax on everyone
Adjust percentage the following year as needed to hit budget numbers.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 26, 2022 11:30 AM (V6f9+)
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Adjust the budget numbers to the revenue collected in the previous year as needed.
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 11:34 AM (sfn+i)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 11:34 AM (UuD2k)
Shouldn't he have been canceled for starting his career on a show making fun of drag queens and trannies? Sure, it was forty-something years ago but I have been told that some things are never OK.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 11:34 AM (nfrXX)
https://tinyurl.com/yc2h33xt
Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 11:34 AM (URNdm)
https://tinyurl.com/yjt7wzc2
Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 11:17 AM (URNdm)
The distaff response to Joe Mannix
**golf clap***
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at January 26, 2022 11:35 AM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: Indignatio Vindicatorem at January 26, 2022
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No, this is a truck. Like a lot of US manufactureres, maybe all, they're concentrating on trucks and SUVs.
A Maverick 4-door with a 6-cylinder engine was my first car. I'd probably find it tinny and noisy to drive today; but in the mid-'70s, after years of riding buses and cadging rides from increasingly reluctant friends, I loved it. I learned a lot about maintenance with it and it got good mileage for the time.
And yes, $20K is all a truck should cost. I'd go further and say it's all a *house* should cost, and a Cadillac should be vastly cheaper than that.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:35 AM (txdEq)
Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 11:34 AM (nfrXX)
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It's almost like targets of cancel culture are capriciously chosen without any kind of guiding principle beyond choosing someone they wish to destroy anyway.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 11:35 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022 11:35 AM (l0Lgi)
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That very nice, down-to-earth Rockford guy.
Posted by: mustbequantum at January 26, 2022 11:35 AM (MIKMs)
Posted by: DJIA Deathwatch at January 26, 2022 11:35 AM (BaGvt)
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at January 26, 2022 11:33 AM (cupoy)
Didn't the Tea Party try to address this? Every single politician in Washington despised them for it. The corruption is total and unregenerate.
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 26, 2022 11:35 AM (H8QX8)
>This is what Gov. Arnie Schwarzenegger looked like just before he ran over a Prius in his monster fucking Tahoe.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 26, 2022 11:35 AM (6liew)
https://tinyurl.com/2p9a2utt
Posted by: Capital Eff at January 26, 2022 11:36 AM (GYllL)
https://tinyurl.com/mwa7dmun
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 11:27 AM
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I find this game...disturbing. How 'bout a sexy blonde vet to cleanse the palate.
https://tinyurl.com/25c7sp74
Posted by: Anon Military Moron at January 26, 2022 11:34 AM (JCZqz)
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This is all unacceptable. Here's an armed black girl in an olive-drab bikini to act as an *actual* palate cleanser:
https://is.gd/uQO0qZ
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:36 AM (DU+/6)
"Person paid to say things written by others says the things he's paid to say."
Not a story. Not trustworthy.
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:36 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at January 26, 2022 11:33 AM (cupoy)
Oh, I like that
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 26, 2022 11:36 AM (V6f9+)
Greece is a gorgeous country, with amazing weather, outstanding food, and thousands and thousands of young teenage migrants eager to put M & Ms on your man-meat...
Posted by: Hunter Bidet, Hedgehog at January 26, 2022 11:36 AM (mZpPn)
"They" had to kill that and remove Trump ... Plandemic was just the Ticket. At every step the rich were made profoundly richer as trillions "saved the economy", even as small business was murdered, along with unnecessary Death by withholding treatment.
Posted by: illiniwek at January 26, 2022 11:36 AM (Cus5s)
Do you want seats with your Maverick?
Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 26, 2022 11:36 AM (jTmQV)
A 10% flat tax on everyone
Adjust percentage the following year as needed to hit budget numbers.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
I'd rather you include repealing income tax *before* we add a flat tax...
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 26, 2022 11:36 AM (d3guq)
Look at the build quality of the original Maverick. Now subtract the steel in favor of aluminum and plastic.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at January 26, 2022 11:36 AM (SchxB)
https://is.gd/uQO0qZ
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:36 AM (DU+/6)
Hotassery is going to regret meeting hot brass...ery
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 26, 2022 11:37 AM (V6f9+)
Translation: Isn't it awesome that after you lost your family-owned business, or you were downsized from your white collar job after many years there were more jobs at Amazon warehouses, Target and Walmart than pre-pandemic???
Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 11:37 AM (URNdm)
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They named it Maverick. What the fuck were they thinking.
Posted by: Puddin Head
a) I'm sure most are going out the door more like $30K. Base prices are...base prices. I don't think it's gonna be any worse than the Escape it's based off of.
b) Ford has spent the last two decades utterly screwing up its branding. Taurus owned the market for a decade then they screwed up with the '96 model so...out the window the name goes. They do this routinely, throw out names, resurrect old ones, etc. Toyota doesn't do this. Honda doesn't do this. But Ford dies.
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 11:37 AM (Qh7KG)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 26, 2022 11:26 AM (F4b8f)
All the reviews I've read are giving it pretty good marks. Ford decided to stop building cars (aside from the Mustang), so this is their low-budget offering now.
Posted by: spindrift at January 26, 2022 11:38 AM (h5TKJ)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 11:23 AM (lMmuq)
If you want a great chili for ground turkey to work in, do Cooking Light's Pumpkin Sweet Potato Black Bean chili - you can just use a whole can of pumpkin and regular beer or wine (or broth) for the pumpkin beer, and you just jack up the spices to account for the extra pumpkin and the meat product (that you will add to the baseline recipe)...it comes out great and is perfect for turkey - and pork BBQ leftovers, but don't ask me how I know that one (okay, it was the spouse insisting he didn't want vegan that night, so it's what was in the fridge).
Posted by: Nova local at January 26, 2022 11:38 AM (exHjb)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 26, 2022 11:38 AM (63Dwl)
China has 100% employment. I'm sure they'd let anybody in that wants a piece of that little slice of heaven.
Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 11:38 AM (FBTwQ)
They're saving Pinto for something really special.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 11:38 AM (nfrXX)
Posted by: Nova local at January 26, 2022 11:39 AM (exHjb)
Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 11:38 AM (FBTwQ)
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Just ignore those suicide prevention nets outside the factory building!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 11:39 AM (5pTK/)
https://is.gd/uQO0qZ
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
The Sam Browne Vulva.
I approve.
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 11:39 AM (Qh7KG)
I will definitely be springing for the titanium pedals upgrade. I'll want a windshield, too.
Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022 11:40 AM (DMQdU)
Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022 11:40 AM (DMQdU)
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*takes notes*
I see. Will you be wanting an engine with that, too?
Posted by: Ford Salesman at January 26, 2022 11:41 AM (5pTK/)
I will definitely be springing for the titanium pedals upgrade. I'll want a windshield, too.
Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022 11:40 AM (DMQdU)
And will you be wanting functioning brakes with that order?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 26, 2022 11:41 AM (z5Vrg)
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at January 26, 2022 11:33 AM (cupoy)
And what's to stop the feds creating a multitude of new and jacked-up taxes on the middle class in order to feed their uncontrollable spending?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 26, 2022 11:41 AM (2JVJo)
https://tinyurl.com/mwa7dmun
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 11:27 AM
Are you trying to get AtC to flamethrow the thread?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022 11:42 AM (HhfIU)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead!
It's just a squared-off Escape with a nominal bed.
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 11:42 AM (Qh7KG)
Posted by: Capital Eff at January 26, 2022 11:42 AM (GYllL)
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at January 26, 2022 11:33 AM (cupoy)
And what's to stop the feds creating a multitude of new and jacked-up taxes on the middle class in order to feed their uncontrollable spending?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 26, 2022 11:41 AM (2JVJo)
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As long as we're fantasizing...
The annual feed a random 10% of Congress and the bureaucracy to the guillotine day events.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 11:42 AM (LvTSG)
I haven't seen the Mav. I will say this - I have thought for years that the Ranger produced overseas would be a big winner here in the US if they gave it a modest interior upgrade. As would the Toyota Hilux. Those things run as well as the old Toyota models, cheap and not bad to work on.
Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 11:42 AM (FBTwQ)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 26, 2022 11:26 AM (z5Vrg)
Trump dumped on GA for opening up. You can't have it both ways.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 26, 2022 11:42 AM (Ik+Dg)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 11:43 AM (o2MD2)
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022
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They could easily resurrect the Galaxie nameplate, the Fairlane, Falcon, and LTD, and Mercury nameplates like Park Lane.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:43 AM (txdEq)
I've heard bonuses, time off & other awards during the last calendar year were "blazing" (outstanding) and office workers are now scheduled to be returning (to some greater degree) towards the end of February.
Many states follow similar patterns to that of the Feds.
Posted by: Lola at January 26, 2022 11:34 AM (xjz83)
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"In the future you will all work for the State Leviathan, and you will like it."
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 11:43 AM (gM/eU)
The Pinto, I'll give you, but I had a 75 Maverick 4 door for a while. That was a decent ride.
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:43 AM (Zz0t1)
And what's to stop the feds creating a multitude of new and jacked-up taxes on the middle class in order to feed their uncontrollable spending?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 26, 2022 11:41 AM (2JVJo)
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Public floggings/executions.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 11:43 AM (5pTK/)
I say we should return the favor. Every Chinese diplomat, student, tourist, whatever gets the anal swab on entry to the country, then once a week for the duration of their stay. Dr. Admiral Rachael can administer the swab personally. They just need to make sure during the swab that the Dr. Admiral doesn't have both hands on their shoulders during the procedure.
Posted by: Old Blue at January 26, 2022 11:43 AM (VNmG1)
Posted by: Capital Eff at January 26, 2022 11:42 AM (GYllL)
When the first one dies I hope his or her family sues them out of existence.
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 26, 2022 11:43 AM (H8QX8)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford
Musical Treechippers.
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 11:43 AM (Qh7KG)
*Remember, when Saturn started, there were a lot of concerns about the "plastic" body and durability. However, they sold well at the beginning and were popular and reasonably reliable when they stuck to their origins. Saturn started going downhill when they just became like every other car brand.
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 26, 2022 11:44 AM (a/dOO)
On the other hand, I've done a few projects at Ford. That mandate couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of folks.
Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 11:45 AM (FBTwQ)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 26, 2022 11:26 AM (z5Vrg)
Trump dumped on GA for opening up. You can't have it both ways.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 26, 2022 11:42 AM (Ik+Dg)
Did GA close down afterwards? Must've missed something when I was living there.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 26, 2022 11:45 AM (z5Vrg)
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks
Well, by '75 they weren't at their best, but platform-wise it was basically an early Mustang with all the good and bad that implies.
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 11:45 AM (Qh7KG)
Had to replace a fan blower resistor recently.
$200 part and labor.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 26, 2022 11:45 AM (jTmQV)
Posted by: Cheerful Reprobate at January 26, 2022 11:45 AM (+LOvG)
*Remember, when Saturn started, there were a lot of concerns about the "plastic" body and durability. However, they sold well at the beginning and were popular and reasonably reliable when they stuck to their origins. Saturn started going downhill when they just became like every other car brand.
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 26, 2022 11:44 AM (a/dOO)
A General Motors product. Everything they touch turns to crap. EVERYTHING.
Go drive a Malibu or Impala. Absolute horseshit vehicles.
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:46 AM (Zz0t1)
They're saving Pinto for something really special.
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Snort.
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:46 AM (bA3Ln)
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 11:45 AM (Qh7KG)
Wasn't the Mustang just a re-worked Falcon?
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 26, 2022 11:46 AM (H8QX8)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:46 AM (OalnH)
Whether or not they're "junk" is another matter altogether.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 26, 2022 11:46 AM (BFigT)
Posted by: flounder at January 26, 2022 11:47 AM (SH2Zi)
https://is.gd/uQO0qZ
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
The Sam Browne Vulva.
I approve.
Posted by: JEM
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Fully armed and loaded for 'bare'.
Get Some!
Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at January 26, 2022 11:47 AM (UqbE6)
Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 11:47 AM (Q51xq)
Go drive a Malibu or Impala. Absolute horseshit vehicles.
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:46 AM (Zz0t1)
Not disagreeing. Saturn was successful when it was mostly walled off from GM. The more GM tinkered, the more Saturn tanked.
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 26, 2022 11:47 AM (a/dOO)
Posted by: Blago at January 26, 2022 11:48 AM (PwNLq)
Posted by: banana Dream
AMC is back in business, who knew!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 26, 2022 11:48 AM (d3guq)
Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at January 26, 2022 11:48 AM (d9Cw3)
https://tinyurl.com/2p9a2utt
Posted by: Capital Eff at January 26, 2022 11:36 AM (GYllL)
Looks like he's about to lift off, understandable I guess.
Posted by: WeBoned! at January 26, 2022 11:48 AM (8k7U7)
Amazing how autos have improved.
Posted by: Crouching Chigger at January 26, 2022 11:48 AM (U/Av6)
Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 11:47 AM (Q51xq)
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Like that train robber said....it's where they money is. American consumers have been hoodwinked into thinking they want nothing but V8 trucks and SUVs. The truth is they've been told they want it by GM, Ford and Chrysler since a V8 truck's profit margin is waaaaaay higher than a mid-sized sedan.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM (OalnH)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:46 AM (OalnH)
needs to be requisitioned to a Fauci experiment
Posted by: kallisto at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM (DJFLF)
Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 11:47 AM (Q51xq)
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That's because the American public hates the tiny little vehicles companies like Ford have been forced to create in order to satisfy EPA mileage requirements. Not only that, but I believe truck platforms are exempt from mileage requirements.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM (5pTK/)
Wasn't the Mustang just a re-worked Falcon?
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 26, 2022 11:46 AM (H8QX8
To get the Mustang to market ahead of the game, they used parts from the Falcon in 64 1/2 and early 65 production.
But if you want to say 'because it was unibody, it's a reworked Falcon,' I guess go ahead.......The Camaro was just a reworked Mustang, remember.
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 11:43 AM
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For as long as you're useful to the State. Soylent Green, timed by age and/or disability, thereafter.
Posted by: Lola at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM (xjz83)
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM (bA3Ln)
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I couldn't believe it when I started seeing some SUV/Crossovers in front of me with the iconic Mustang Pony emblem.
Jeebus, it can take decades to build a brand, and one postmodern mediocre struggle-session idea to kill it in minutes.
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM (Q0RjU)
Posted by: kallisto, missing OM bigly at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM (DJFLF)
Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 11:47 AM (Q51xq)
Don't forget electric vehicles massively subsidized by Uncle Sugar!
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM (a/dOO)
Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 11:47 AM (Q51xq)
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The market dictated that, to large degrees. Trucks and SUVs are what sell well. The foreign nameplates have cars and do okay with them, but the market was a bit saturated given the preference for SUVs.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:50 AM (DU+/6)
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:46 AM (Zz0t1)
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Does a Malibu or Impala exist outside of a rental fleet? Serious question. Like has anyone ever actually purchased on retail?
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:50 AM (OalnH)
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks
*
Well, by '75 they weren't at their best, but platform-wise it was basically an early Mustang with all the good and bad that implies.
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022
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Both the Mustang and the Maverick were based on the long-serving and tried Falcon platform. My Maverick was a 4-door '75 with the larger 250 CID engine (about 100 hp!), A/C, power steering (but not *power* brakes), and an AM "Philco" radio. It was a metallic green (I called it "Klingon" green) inside and out, fabric and vinyl interior, with radial tires (which were fairly new as OEM then). As I said, I loved it. It even looked a little like a 4-door version of the first Mustang generation.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:50 AM (txdEq)
Posted by: kallisto, missing OM bigly at January 26, 2022 11:50 AM (DJFLF)
Posted by: Bald, Muscular Ape at January 26, 2022 11:50 AM (HKXbk)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM (5pTK/)
But people are buying the Japanese cars just fine. To a lesser extent German.
Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 11:50 AM (Q51xq)
Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 11:47 AM (Q51xq)
Don't forget electric vehicles massively subsidized by Uncle Sugar!
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These are finance companies with an automaker attached.
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:51 AM (bA3Ln)
A good ole boy named Beardsly Ruml discussed this right after WW 2, he was the genius who started income witholding during the war. Prior to that, taxpayers paid quarterly or somesuch. I think he was a former Macy's department store executive who reasoned paying taxes "on time" would be a lot easier. And the government needed lots of cash, right now, to fund their war aims.
Anyhoo, in a speech right after the war he allowed that government income taxation wasn't necessary, strictly speaking. They had, after all, a printing press.
Taxation even then was viewed simply a method of control, or even punishment.
Posted by: Common Tater at January 26, 2022 11:51 AM (043pn)
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM
*waves*
Posted by: Northampton, MA at January 26, 2022 11:51 AM (HhfIU)
Posted by: N.L. Urker, resolved to lurking at January 26, 2022 11:51 AM (eGTCV)
Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at January 26, 2022 11:48 AM (d9Cw3)
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Yes. The participation rate had been grinding down for a decade until Trump, and he finally saw some increases for the first time in living memory.
That appears to be over. His gains are gone.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:51 AM (DU+/6)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 11:51 AM (o2MD2)
What killed them was mostly internal brand politics at GM, and the utterly unbelievably stupid decisions behind the L-series.
You take existing GM Europe sedan, you spend two years reengineering what is already an aging design to take a plastic skin, you retool an existing Delaware GM plant (UAW) to build it, and you foist upon the market an adequate car that's only like five years too late.
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 11:52 AM (Qh7KG)
I couldn't believe it when I started seeing some SUV/Crossovers in front of me with the iconic Mustang Pony emblem.
Jeebus, it can take decades to build a brand, and one postmodern mediocre struggle-session idea to kill it in minutes.
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM (Q0RjU)
That's the battery Mach E, which I agree, is a hideous vehicle and a significant mistake by Ford. It's an Edge, NOT a Mustang.
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:52 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 26, 2022 11:52 AM (5kI0z)
The rest of the stuff they just have to build to hit those CAFE numbers so they can be allowed to sell full size trucks and SUVs.
That's part of the reason why an Escalade is now like $100k. They have to make up for the loss leader Malibu or Spark.
I left the Big 3 a long time ago for Toyota/Lexus. I just couldn't believe the difference in quality.
Posted by: Blago at January 26, 2022 11:52 AM (PwNLq)
Posted by: SMOD at January 26, 2022 11:52 AM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM (bA3Ln)
Rule 34
Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 11:52 AM (Q51xq)
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The condition of roads has a lot to do with it and mom's seem to like to drive MRAPs.
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:53 AM (bA3Ln)
Ford actually listening to their customers and producing a truck that fits the need for the VAST majority of suburban pickup truck buyers is amazing. Most people who "need a truck" need to haul 20 bags of mulch twice a year, or take something to the dump, or any other light homeowner duty you can think of. For that, there's zero need to buy an F-150 or Silverado for $70k other than to measure off with your buddy down the street.
Posted by: ballistic at January 26, 2022 11:53 AM (oXNqT)
Anyhoo, in a speech right after the war he allowed that government income taxation wasn't necessary, strictly speaking. They had, after all, a printing press.
Taxation even then was viewed simply a method of control, or even punishment.
Posted by: Common Tater at January 26, 2022 11:51 AM (043pn)
Milton Friedman also supported this, initially. What he hadn't counted on was the ability of government to increase tax rates since most people wouldn't notice only a little bit more gone each paycheck. This became one of his few regrets in economics.
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 26, 2022 11:53 AM (a/dOO)
Then you have GM which has 37 different models of every type of car, truck and suv. It is such a waste of money to keep separate brands like that with separate ad campaigns. And consumers have no clue what any of them are. They all get lost in the crowd.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:54 AM (OalnH)
It doesn't interest me at all, but it's a good base price. I loaded the configurator up with as many options as I could and got a $36,000 package.
Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022 11:54 AM (1vynn)
Does a Malibu or Impala exist outside of a rental fleet? Serious question. Like has anyone ever actually purchased on retail?
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:50 AM (OalnH)
I say the same about Buick. But, you do see those on the road, occasionally.
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:54 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 26, 2022 11:52 AM (5kI0z)
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Minivans were far more instrumental in the death of the station wagon than CAFE standards were. They haul people and goods better, they have a flat floor, they drive and ride well. Minivans destroyed the wagon market.
This is why Ford refused to build a minivan. They ruled the wagon market and saw the cannibalization potential. The engineers - Ford engineers - who designed it went to Chrysler and Chrysler saw the same potential.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:54 AM (DU+/6)
Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022 11:54 AM (1vynn)
They let you order at that price and will want $10k vigg when you show up to take delivery!
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 11:55 AM (yrol0)
The "big idea" for Saturn was "what if we build a car the way the Japanese do?" It was a good idea but it turns out that the most important difference between Japanese car companies and American car companies is the UAW.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 11:55 AM (lzLwZ)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 26, 2022 11:55 AM (EZebt)
Posted by: ballistic at January 26, 2022 11:53 AM (oXNqT)
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Hey man, you never know when I may need to tow 13,000 lbs. I mean it might happen right?
- Truck buyer
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:55 AM (OalnH)
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:54 AM
A friend of mine, who likes good cars, just bought a Buick SUV. She got tired of Ford's crap. Oddly enough, she really likes the Buick.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022 11:56 AM (HhfIU)
You've got it half right. Big Three labor is almost as bad as Big Three management.
Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 11:56 AM (FBTwQ)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:54 AM (DU+/6)
Plus they had the K car platform that was easy to stretch and widen without a change of front end, engine, and trans location.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 11:56 AM (yrol0)
Posted by: Blago at January 26, 2022
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If my Buick LaCrosse were to be totaled, I guess I'd have to go with a Toyota or Lexus to get a sedan. Buick only does SUVs now, the tiny athletic shoe with wheels Encore, the mid-sized Envision (not bad looking), and the big Enclave (must less like a pregnant whale than the 1st generation was).
Before I bought the Buick, I did test drive a couple of used Lexus ES models. They were very good -- but to me at that point, not worth the price premium over a good LaCrosse.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:56 AM (txdEq)
Posted by: Blago at January 26, 2022 11:48 AM (PwNLq)
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People and governments can survive and rebuild from financial bankruptcy. But moral bankruptcy? Not so much ...
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 11:56 AM (us2DO)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 11:57 AM (o2MD2)
Posted by: ballistic at January 26, 2022 11:57 AM (oXNqT)
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:57 AM (bA3Ln)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022 11:56 AM (HhfIU)
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Buick or Ford doesn't matter. It's the UAW that's the problem. Give her 2 years and she'll have the Buick too once it starts disintegrating like all UAW built pieces of shit do.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:57 AM (OalnH)
Posted by: Thomas Paine
I concur that CAFE is a very bad thing. But there's more to it than just that.
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 11:57 AM (Qh7KG)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at January 26, 2022 11:58 AM (n/szn)
Posted by: ballistic at January 26, 2022 11:57 AM (oXNqT)
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And Volvo. But the total number of wagons is tiny compared to where it was before minivans displaced them and then SUVs displaced minivans and then CUVs displaced a lot of the SUVs.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:58 AM (DU+/6)
246 Huh. Apparently FB has been taking down pictures of the trucker convoy going across Canada. Should I be surprised?
Posted by: N.L. Urker, resolved to lurking at January 26, 2022 11:51 AM (eGTCV)
well then I guess FakeBook won't like this little ditty:
https://tinyurl.com/2up7yw5f
Posted by: kallisto, missing OM bigly at January 26, 2022 11:58 AM (DJFLF)
- Truck buyer
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:55 AM (OalnH)
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Never know when you're going to run across a free 32' cabin cruiser just sitting there on a trailer for the taking!
Posted by: ballistic at January 26, 2022 11:58 AM (oXNqT)
Posted by: ballistic at January 26, 2022 11:57 AM (oXNqT)
I read there is no replacement for the E wagon when they update that car in about 3 or 4 years.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 11:59 AM (yrol0)
Posted by: ballistic at January 26, 2022 11:57 AM (oXNqT)
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I wouldn't say the shit out of. They're a pretty niche market. Buy they do offer them, which is something. I own one myself.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:59 AM (OalnH)
Posted by: ballistic at January 26, 2022 11:57 AM (oXNqT)
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I believe they pay a bribe to sell in the US, because they don't meet CAFE standards. Oops, I mean, tariff.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 11:59 AM (5pTK/)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 26, 2022 11:59 AM (BFigT)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022
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I'm not surprised. Buick is an unsung gem among modern cars: 70% of the Mercedes driving experience at 50% of the price. I'm biased, since I'm on my 3rd one; stipulated. But I've driven some boring, hard-riding, or unreliable vehicles since 1976. Nothing is wrong with a Buick.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:59 AM (txdEq)
Posted by: ballistic
They're not huge sellers in numbers, but the Merc E63 wagon still, I think, has the highest owners' average household income of any vehicle on the market.
It's what the investment banker buys his trophy wife to run the kids around in.
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 11:59 AM (Qh7KG)
Posted by: ballistic
I don't own either, but it's a modern day luxury car whereas trucks 30 years ago were more like a tractor. These were the same people that bought a big Buick or Cadillac, now they buy an F-150 with 4 doors. Has a huge backseat, plenty of power, great ride, etc.
I grew up with a family that bought station wagons (Oldsmobile) Something like a new, decked out F-150 is way, way more useful and luxurious.
Posted by: Blago at January 26, 2022 11:59 AM (PwNLq)
Posted by: Blago
People are rational actors on things that matter to them. Given the amount of 'free' money being cast around such as the child tax credits, etc. they can make more rationally with less effort by riding the government wagon.
Not much different than a lot of government employees really.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2022 11:59 AM (Iq9dF)
Stephen Breyer, sizing up the rotten midterms ahead, is retiring now. He wants to give Biden a shot at naming at least one SCOTUS judge.
Do your thing Mitch. Show us some value.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 12:00 PM (lMmuq)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 26, 2022 12:00 PM (/1l9x)
Posted by: ballistic at January 26, 2022 12:00 PM (oXNqT)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:59 AM (OalnH)
I ordered the E63 wagon in 2020 and sold it before taking delivery.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 12:00 PM (yrol0)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 12:00 PM (lMmuq)
Stephen Breyer, sizing up the rotten midterms ahead, is retiring now. He wants to give Biden a shot at naming at least one SCOTUS judge.
Do your thing Mitch. Show us some value.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 12:00 PM (lMmuq)
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Interesting...
Now...does Mitch use this to goose Republican fundraising by opposing the nomination? Or does he play bipartisanship?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 12:01 PM (LvTSG)
Too bad they discontinued it.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 26, 2022 12:01 PM (jTmQV)
Posted by: ballistic at January 26, 2022
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I believe they pay a bribe to sell in the US, because they don't meet CAFE standards. Oops, I mean, tariff.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022
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Those wagons are pretty small -- not like the giant Oldsmobile wagons that Clark Whatever bought in the [Vacation movie. The German wagons don't meet CAFE?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 12:01 PM (txdEq)
I believe minivans were classified as trucks to avoid the mileage standards.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 26, 2022 12:01 PM (5kI0z)
Posted by: ballistic
Not really.
Mercedes is dropping wagons from the lineup.
Because they don't sell well.
Posted by: blaster at January 26, 2022 12:02 PM (9otr5)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
Uh...they're okay. And some of the most recent ones are actually nice, but from the '80s until about ten years ago they were a joke.
Buick still exists as a brand only because of the Chinese market. Buick got popular in Shanghai in the '30s, never really lost that cachet, and for the past fifteen years it's been GM's premium nameplate in China.
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 12:02 PM (Qh7KG)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 12:00 PM (lMmuq)
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"Hey...remember when I undermined the entire Biden agenda by opposing BBB and the Voting Bill? Well, I voted in favor of Breyer's replacement, Assata Shakur. We good?"
-Sinema to her left flank
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 12:02 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 12:02 PM (lMmuq)
Posted by: Lizzy
He's a chocolate monkey, in a basket of Easter grass! Yeah, that's the ticket!
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at January 26, 2022 11:08 AM (OssQ4)
Looks like he melted a bit.
Posted by: Javems at January 26, 2022 12:02 PM (AmoqO)
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 12:00 PM (yrol0)
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Al 50 of them? It's a niche market that sells well for its size. But as a % of all cars sold by the German Big 3, it's probably low single digits.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:02 PM (OalnH)
Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 12:02 PM (Q51xq)
Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at January 26, 2022 12:02 PM (SH2Zi)
Too bad they discontinued it.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 26, 2022 12:01 PM (jTmQV)
I think that was either a volvo platform or a joint venture with Ford and Volvo.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (yrol0)
This is why Ford refused to build a minivan. They ruled the wagon market and saw the cannibalization potential. The engineers - Ford engineers - who designed it went to Chrysler and Chrysler saw the same potential.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
For the sake of CAFE, minivans were classified as "trucks" ( I know, I owned one for years), and therefore fell into a different mpg category than station wagons.
And minivans are really bad in snowy weather, on icy roads. I almost wrecked our Mercury Villager many years ago on a winter drive home from relatives, which spurred me to buy a used 2001 Audi A6 (AWD) used station wagon. Which was terrific on bad roads.
Alas, it has gone to the boneyard.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Badluck Streak in Dancing School at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (vcOmj)
Posted by: kallisto, missing OM bigly at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (DJFLF)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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I've owned 2 Lexus ES, in my opinion its the best bang for the buck out there.
It's basically the last traditional type sedan out there, basically a Japanese Cadillac. Probably the most reliable vehicle you can possibly own, huge backseat, lots of power, etc. It's also nice because it shares a lot of things with the Toyota Camry and Avalon, so very easy to repair and get parts.
I used to own a Lexus LS, that car was basically perfection, new models however have gone down a weird path.
Posted by: Blago at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (PwNLq)
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:52 AM (Zz0t1)
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Ah, thanks for the correction, Sponge.
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (IzxvC)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (txdEq)
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (4I/2K)
But the commercials show all these manly men wearing plaid hauling construction equipment and pulling downed trees off of dirt roads. You definitely need heated leather seats and Dolby surround sound for that, right?
Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (lzLwZ)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 12:02 PM (lMmuq)
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I don't think he'll need Kamala.
Mitch probably will feign opposition without actually whipping Romney, Collins, and Murkowski who will vote, at least two of them, in favor of whomever Biden nominates.
This will also allow Manchin to vote against the nominee to secure his next re-election in a couple of years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (BFigT)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (OalnH)
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 11:37 AM (Qh7KG)
IMHO Toyota just did this with their Supra. Way to kill a legendary brand.
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (Hh3y4)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:02 PM (OalnH)
In 2020 I think they built about 1200 with about half for USA.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (yrol0)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (OalnH)
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The fundraising emails are going to be off the fucking chain.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (Qh7KG)
Whether you need me as Vice President or on the Supreme Court, Joe, I'm ready!
Posted by: HRC at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (vOGqy)
Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (lzLwZ)
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And 8 cameras!!
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (OalnH)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (4vwUh)
Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 11:47 AM (Q51xq)
Don't forget electric vehicles massively subsidized by Uncle Sugar!
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These are finance companies with an automaker attached.
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:51 AM (bA3Ln)
They are a pension company that does auto financing.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (Qh7KG)
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Yeah...don't think he doesn't know that the Republican base will shower him with money to fight this. There will be a public display.
It won't mean anything, but he fought.
Don't give him anything.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 26, 2022 11:44 AM (a/dOO)
Started off non-union so you know they had to die. Good cars from what I've seen.
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (Hh3y4)
Ford actually listening to their customers and producing a truck that fits the need for the VAST majority of suburban pickup truck buyers is amazing. Most people who "need a truck" need to haul 20 bags of mulch twice a year, or take something to the dump, or any other light homeowner duty you can think of. For that, there's zero need to buy an F-150 or Silverado for $70k other than to measure off with your buddy down the street.
Posted by: ballistic at January 26, 2022 11:53 AM (oXNqT)
I'll hold judgement on the Maverick (why, oh why bring that name back?) until they've been on the road for a couple of years. Right now, the price in the SF Bay Area for one is over $40k. I'd rather spend $25k on a used Tacoma that will last me the rest of my life. But, it'd be awesome if Ford could actually build a low priced ride that could compete.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (wAnMi)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (OalnH)
Too bad they discontinued it.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 26, 2022 12:01 PM (jTmQV)
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That is too bad. I like the Flex. I also think it's cool. It shouldn't be - it's just a box on wheels - but for me it has some kind of "X-Factor."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (DU+/6)
Breyer retiring with a Dem controlled Senate and White House is pure coincidence.
Posted by: Blago at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (PwNLq)
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (4I/2K)
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Rubber meets the road here, and "bipartisanship" dies. Unless you are from Maine, Alaska or Utah. In those cases, it is joyfully alive and well.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (lMmuq)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (LvTSG)
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Yyyyyyep
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (OalnH)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (OalnH)
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In a 50/50 senate with Manchin having just increased his stature in WV by opposing Biden, there's a very real chance that Mitch is the effective majority leader in the Senate now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:06 PM (OalnH)
Too bad they discontinued it.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 26, 2022 12:01 PM (jTmQV)
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That is too bad. I like the Flex. I also think it's cool. It shouldn't be - it's just a box on wheels - but for me it has some kind of "X-Factor."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
Those were great, also rented one and thought seriously about buying it. Just not crazy about Ford quality, had several bad experiences.
Posted by: Blago at January 26, 2022 12:06 PM (PwNLq)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 12:00 PM
Now, now...that won't be happening.
Posted by: Romney, Murkowski, Collins, et al at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (HhfIU)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (ZLI7S)
Which is when, Sept 30?
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (4I/2K)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (LvTSG)
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Manchin's gonna play ball. Unless the nominee is Karl Marx's ghost, he - and Sinemma - are a yes.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (OalnH)
I don't.
And he can replace him in 3 years.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (ZLI7S)
*waves*
Posted by: Mitt and the Coke Bear at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (lzLwZ)
Gah.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (ptqGC)
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Let's put it this way:
With how Biden's administration is being run, his first choice nomination is going to be HILARIOUS.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (Hh3y4)
But the cult membership was a bit much if all you wanted was a cheap, reliable car.
Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (SH2Zi)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant
Huge fuck up imo.
I was also beating that drum.
I love Thomas, but you have to know your time on this Earth is not infinite. Someone not willing to let go of power for the broader good is a terrible quality.
Posted by: Blago at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (PwNLq)
My phone seems to be having a nervous breakdown, so I hope this work. Link should go to report on Canadians cheering truckers protesting the jab. If it doesn't work you can find it on website for Iowntheworld report.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (LyJkw)
Buick still exists as a brand only because of the Chinese market. Buick got popular in Shanghai in the '30s, never really lost that cachet, and for the past fifteen years it's been GM's premium nameplate in China.
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022
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For a long time in the '90s and up until about 2010, the entry level models like the Century, LeSabre, and Regal were kind of dull, true. The big Park Avenue was a grand car; I had an '03 that was kitted out with some extra features, and it was a delight to drive. You have to remember that I live in a dump with some of the worst roads in America. A smooth soft ride is something to value.
The PA was also vastly cheaper to feed, maintain, and insure than the used Mercedes I'd had up to that time.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (txdEq)
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (a/dOO)
Posted by: spindrift at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (h5TKJ)
Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 11:47 AM (Q51xq)
Don't forget electric vehicles massively subsidized by Uncle Sugar!
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These are finance companies with an automaker attached.
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:51 AM (bA3Ln)
They are a pension company that does auto financing.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (yQpMk)
When Obama bankrupted GMC he had several tricks up his sleeve. 1) He gave the company to the shareholders. b) He gave the first in line bondholder a big shit sammich. iii) He got Ally to buy GMAC and when they failed the Fed Test he gave them bailout funds.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (yrol0)
Manchin's gonna play ball. Unless the nominee is Karl Marx's ghost, he - and Sinemma - are a yes.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (OalnH)
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Bare minimum, he's gonna put on a show. Plus, he's still bitchy towards Schumer and Biden considering how they've treated him for the last few months.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (LvTSG)
a THOT rides the worldwide anti-jab mandate bandwagon:
https://tinyurl.com/3a4dmeut
Posted by: kallisto, missing OM bigly at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (DJFLF)
This is all theater. Biden will get his nominee in.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (OalnH)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Revenant at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (cOGHc)
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (Hh3y4)
Saturn was union before they hired (assembly) employee 1.
Posted by: Fox2! at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (qyH+l)
"Whoever Biden wants to replace him raped me in high school. I don't remember where. Don't ask me to come back to DC. I'm afraid to fly."
Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 26, 2022 12:09 PM (HmZuC)
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 12:09 PM (lCui1)
He's a national treasure. I want to see him presiding over some trial against Biden (among many, many others).
Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022 12:09 PM (vOGqy)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:06 PM (OalnH)
With another federalist society boof or ACB clone. I don't know how you get a replacement for Thomas unless Thomas has some ideas of who.
Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 12:09 PM (Q51xq)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (ptqGC)
She could not handle the Senate hearings.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 12:09 PM (yrol0)
This is all theater. Biden will get his nominee in.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (OalnH)
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I don't disagree. Unless Mitch wants to stop this. Not likely, but he can keep the caucus in line when he wants to.
It's gonna be such a show, and Mitch is going to be in complete control.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 12:09 PM (LvTSG)
With how Biden's administration is being run, his first choice nomination is going to be HILARIOUS.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,
Either a Rosanne Roseannadanna or an Emily Littela.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 12:09 PM (uXonU)
(seen on a tweet)
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 12:09 PM (lCui1)
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
My late uncle had a tool and die business, and he did tool- making for the Big Three. He dealt with Ford, Chrysler and GM all the time.
30 years ago, that is just about what he said about GM, word for word. Yet he did buy a new Cadillac just about every year.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Badluck Streak in Dancing School at January 26, 2022 12:10 PM (vcOmj)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 26, 2022 12:10 PM (O7mKc)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 26, 2022 12:10 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: RBG Star Wars Wheelchair at January 26, 2022 12:10 PM (yrol0)
"Assistant Associate Dean of Equity and Inclusion" at Ferris Bueller State College, that's labor force participation. CNN Reliable Sources Anchor, that's labor force participation too. The Directors of HR actively gumming up the works at every Fortune 500 corporation, also labor force participation.
Posted by: Match Checksout at January 26, 2022 12:10 PM (dYe5S)
Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 12:10 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 26, 2022 12:10 PM (oHd/0)
Not sure what the exact term ending date is but the SC new term always starts on Oct 1.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 26, 2022 12:10 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 12:11 PM (yrol0)
Posted by: Revenant at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (cOGHc)
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That's a given isn't it? Not much mystery to it.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:11 PM (OalnH)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 26, 2022 12:10 PM (oHd/0)
The revolution will NOT be televised.
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 12:11 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 26, 2022 12:11 PM (HmZuC)
Posted by: ballistic
I don't own either, but it's a modern day luxury car whereas trucks 30 years ago were more like a tractor. These were the same people that bought a big Buick or Cadillac, now they buy an F-150 with 4 doors. Has a huge backseat, plenty of power, great ride, etc.
I grew up with a family that bought station wagons (Oldsmobile) Something like a new, decked out F-150 is way, way more useful and luxurious.
Posted by: Blago at January 26, 2022 11:59 AM (PwNLq)
It's entirely possible to be driving around in a truck with a nice, well kept, comfortable interior and a dirty, scarred up bed.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at January 26, 2022 12:11 PM (8C7+r)
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BREAKING: Morloch Garland to continue as Attorney General while serving in a dual capacity as the future Chief justice of the Supreme Court. Developing ...
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 12:11 PM (0ByDo)
I don't.
And he can replace him in 3 years.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (ZLI7S)
Who could Trump have replaced Thomas with? With Gorsuch, Barrett and Kavanaugh as Trump picks, can you seriously believe that a 40-year old pick would approach Thomas' quality? The Federalist Society wasn't powerful enough to endorse Thomas at his confirmation IIRC, and looking at what they've done lately, I don't think they would have if they had the chance.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 26, 2022 12:11 PM (qma9m)
Both the Mustang and the Maverick were based on the long-serving and tried Falcon platform. My Maverick was a 4-door '75 with the larger 250 CID engine (about 100 hp!), A/C, power steering (but not *power* brakes), and an AM "Philco" radio. It was a metallic green (I called it "Klingon" green) inside and out, fabric and vinyl interior, with radial tires (which were fairly new as OEM then). As I said, I loved it. It even looked a little like a 4-door version of the first Mustang generation.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:50 AM (txdEq)
The Mavericks with the 351C and four speed were probably the most potent sleepers I've ever seen on the street. EVERYONE assumed these things all had six cylinder engines.
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (Hh3y4)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant
Huge fuck up imo.
I was also beating that drum.
I love Thomas, but you have to know your time on this Earth is not infinite. Someone not willing to let go of power for the broader good is a terrible quality.
Posted by: Blago
And we would have gotten Amy Coney Barrett sooner.
Yay us!! Whooppee!!!
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Badluck Streak in Dancing School at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (vcOmj)
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 11:37 AM (Qh7KG)
Toyota isn't infallible in that regard. One thing that irks me is calling that electric POS a Mustang (Mach-E). Seriously? And I guess they assume nobody remembers the Maverick, so they're resurrected that name. What next, Pinto? Guess Chevy will have a new Vega. The all time greatest marketing fail goes to Infiniti. They had a perfectly good nomenclature with model type (M, Q, I, etc.) and engine displacement (3, 3.7, 2.5...). Then some idiot did a survey that most people recognized "Q" (their original flagship) so they named all their GD cars "Q" something. So, a Q50 is a model, but you don't know what type of engine. From top to bottom, they're all Q. Isn't that the job of the marque's name?
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (wAnMi)
Posted by: Romeo13
Censored. And there is an Aussie one in response to the Canadian one.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (uXonU)
Isn't it Loretta Lynch's "turn"? Stacey Abrams, Kamala, AOC...they have so many talented options.
Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (DMQdU)
Dynasty. And no one is going to get their hands on HER offspring either.
Posted by: Lola at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (xjz83)
Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 12:10 PM (gmo/4)
If you do not know a guy with a pickup truck youre the guy with the manbun every guy with trucks hate!
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (yrol0)
Posted by: Match Checksout at January 26, 2022 12:10 PM (dYe5S)
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It is, but it's also actual employment. It isn't productive employment, but it's employment. They are counted in the total employment figure. Labor force participation will exceed total employment unless you are at 100% full employment with no one out of work who would rather be working.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (DU+/6)
Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 12:10 PM (gmo/4)
I only see Men driving Corvettes.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (oHd/0)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (BFigT)
I wouldn't be surprised if it was 29, assuming the nominee isn't Hillary.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) predicts at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 26, 2022 12:13 PM (jUhyx)
The wise Latina and the Lickalotapus where in NO WAY qualified to be on the bench, but our side asked 3 questions then voted to confirm.
We're fucked because there IS no conservative representation in Washington.
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 12:13 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: ... at January 26, 2022 12:13 PM (ht815)
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 12:13 PM (lCui1)
Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 12:09 PM (Q51xq)
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That's a valid point. But once you get into your 70s like Thomas, you're gambling bigly. He could easily die on Biden's watch. And I'd much rather have a guaranteed Gorsuch than risk a Biden appointee, all else being equal.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:13 PM (OalnH)
Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 26, 2022 12:14 PM (jTmQV)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (DU+/6)
Labor force participation is down for a simple reason. You can't rely on your kids school to be open. Many Mother's who were in the workforce, are now out, some permanently.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 26, 2022 12:14 PM (oHd/0)
Posted by: klaftern at January 26, 2022 12:14 PM (taPSh)
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at January 26, 2022 12:14 PM (dfRN6)
Posted by: Martini Farmer
Judge Cackle
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 12:14 PM (lCui1)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (oHd/0)
1. I said unscientific
2. usually old men
Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 12:14 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: ShainS
I could absolutely see this.
But sure, Garland is such a superb AG, that Biden would want him on the Supreme Court. We now know just what kind of guy he is.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Badluck Streak in Dancing School at January 26, 2022 12:14 PM (vcOmj)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant
Huge fuck up imo.
I was also beating that drum.
I love Thomas, but you have to know your time on this Earth is not infinite. Someone not willing to let go of power for the broader good is a terrible quality.
Posted by: Blago at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (PwNLq)
Yeah we could have gotten another Kavanaugh, Barrett or Gorsuck. Thomas along with Alito is the only thing saving us from complete destruction. If we had a different make up of the court and a different atmosphere I would agree that would be a good strategy. Now it would be like the Patriots letting Tom Brady go.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 26, 2022 12:14 PM (Ik+Dg)
Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 26, 2022 12:11 PM (HmZuC)
The nominee will get the votes of Manchin and Sinema, with no problem.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 26, 2022 12:14 PM (qma9m)
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (Hh3y4)
Saturn was union before they hired (assembly) employee 1.
Posted by: Fox2! at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (qyH+l)
? All the advertising and word of mouth at the time indicated they were non-union and the UAW was pissed. Honestly, what you are saying could be true. Just recalling what I read at the time.
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at January 26, 2022 12:14 PM (Hh3y4)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (oHd/0)
The last 2 or 3 people I have seen driving C8s are women!
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 12:15 PM (yrol0)
(seen on a tweet)
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 12:09 PM (lCui1)
Does purchasing a towel or a blender somehow make them a greater vector for spreading the disease and food and medicine doesn't? That's a freaking intelligent virus that can differentiate between types of goods purchased as to when and where it can strike in a store.
Posted by: Moki at January 26, 2022 12:15 PM (JrN/x)
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 12:13 PM (Zz0t1)
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How dare you?
- Severely Conservative Senator Mittens McRomney
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:15 PM (OalnH)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 26, 2022 12:14 PM (oHd/0)
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That is absolutely a factor and we don't know how big that group is. In this case, reduced participation may be a net benefit all things considered. Women deciding to stay home and raise and teach the kids and make do with less money (which usually isn't even a lot less once the costs of childcare are taken into account and out of her paycheck) is not a bad thing - though it will reduce the participation rate.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 12:15 PM (DU+/6)
As I said, I'm glad Thomas didn't retire during Trump's first term. He's by far my favorite justice but he's been hinting at retirement for years.
I think Trump has learned a few things from his first time in the barrel and the non-stop lawsuits his family has been facing for going on 6 years. Pain is a good teacher.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 26, 2022 12:15 PM (ZLI7S)
Maybe from myocarditis or something
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 12:16 PM (lCui1)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 26, 2022 12:16 PM (LyJkw)
I wouldn't be surprised if it was 29, assuming the nominee isn't Hillary.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) predicts at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (yQpMk)
I'll vote how the WEF instructs me to vote.
Posted by: Dan Crenshaw at January 26, 2022 12:16 PM (4I/2K)
The fight among the Dems will be whether to nominate a hard left or a center left in the Biden junta and whether the it will be a POC.
The Republicans, as usual, will have little or nothing to say about whatever the Dems end up nominating.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2022 12:16 PM (Iq9dF)
I'd be more in favor of 60-year-olds. Established track records and the knowledge that you'll have to prove yourself over many years to get your shot at the Supreme Court.
Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022 12:16 PM (ELgVT)
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 12:13 PM (lCui1)
Barack Obama.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 26, 2022 12:16 PM (qma9m)
Posted by: rhennigantx
Most of my neighbors have at least one pickup truck. Some have two or three. My next door neighbor had a big garage built so he could restore them.
I feel left out. I should look for a used one that I can park on the apron, just so I fit into my neighborhood.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Badluck Streak in Dancing School at January 26, 2022 12:16 PM (vcOmj)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
I get it, I'm suggesting a deep recession/depression to clean out deadwood jobs might not be a bad idea. Not suggesting revamping the calculation.
Posted by: Match Checksout at January 26, 2022 12:16 PM (dYe5S)
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 12:15 PM (yrol0)
That new Vette is cool. A younger me would have had trouble not getting one.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 12:17 PM (Y5qcH)
Some of you will never be happy with anything short of perfect.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:17 PM (OalnH)
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 26, 2022 12:16 PM (qma9m)
As my Mom would say he is say lazy would not hit a lick at a snake!
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 12:17 PM (yrol0)
Posted by: Match Checksout at January 26, 2022 12:16 PM (dYe5S)
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Ah yes. 100% unemployment in HR and affiliated industries would be a net benefit despite the economic dislocation.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 12:17 PM (DU+/6)
That new Vette is cool. A younger me would have had trouble not getting one.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 12:17 PM (Y5qcH)
The front end looks like a Ferrari, the side looks like a Lamborghini and the rear end looks like, well......
GM hasn't had an original thought in 70 years.
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:18 PM (OalnH)
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 12:18 PM (lCui1)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 26, 2022 12:18 PM (ZLI7S)
Some of you will never be happy with anything short of perfect.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:17 PM (OalnH)
Most would just settle for the bill of goods they were SOLD.......
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)
I don't need originality on probably the highest level of performance I could possibly afford.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 12:19 PM (Y5qcH)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 12:17 PM (Y5qcH)
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The 'Vette, makes 'em wet!
Posted by: Simon at January 26, 2022 12:19 PM (DU+/6)
Posted by: Moki at January 26, 2022 12:19 PM (JrN/x)
Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 26, 2022 12:11 PM (HmZuC)
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Van Jones is tanned, rested, and ready!
Out: Ginsberg's loyalty and fidelity to the "superior" South African Constitution.
In: Jones' loyalty and fidelity to the "superior* Little Red Book.
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 12:20 PM (MdxTu)
Posted by: Lola at January 26, 2022 12:20 PM (xjz83)
Posted by: rhennigantx
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Up until 10 years ago I had never been inside a pickup, let alone knew anyone who owned one. Then I moved to the sticks and things....changed, lol. I own one now as well.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:20 PM (OalnH)
Posted by: Moki
Ditto. It must have been a bear formatting all those columns to look right in the blog software layout.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Badluck Streak in Dancing School at January 26, 2022 12:21 PM (vcOmj)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 26, 2022 12:21 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:18 PM (OalnH)
Well, add another ten years... and I'd have to dig into the deep back of the closet...
But, sounds like a plan to me!
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 26, 2022 12:21 PM (oHd/0)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:20 PM (OalnH)
Everyone drives trucks where I live. Most of the beds are empty and spotless. I call them expensive air haulers.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 12:21 PM (Y5qcH)
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 12:21 PM (lCui1)
GM hasn't had an original thought in 70 years.
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)
They went with that because those ideas actually work. Mid-engine? Check. Functional aerodynamics? Check. Reliable engine and transmission? Check.
The new Vettes can keep up with the Lambos and Ferraris quite well for a lot less money. That is a win in my book.
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at January 26, 2022 12:22 PM (Hh3y4)
Some of you will never be happy with anything short of perfect.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:17 PM (OalnH)
What does that have to do with the suggestion Thomas should have retired. And those justices are not just not perfect, they have made decisions that are head scratchers. To say they are better than any dem nominee is a low bar.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 26, 2022 12:22 PM (Ik+Dg)
Normal source would be appellate judges including DC Circuit, solicitor general, etc. that have some youth left. As a outsider, it could be the first politician nominated in decades as well or a state court judge or a prominent lawyer looking to cap their career like Boies.
Collegial decision making really makes appointing a firebrand unlikely because it would shift the court majority to the right as a reaction to leftism rather than pulling it more to the left.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2022 12:22 PM (Iq9dF)
Posted by: Dan Crenshaw at January 26, 2022 12:16 PM (4I/2K)
That's bold talk for a one eyed short man...
Besides you sawed off fuck, you don't get a vote!
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at January 26, 2022 12:22 PM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Badluck Streak in Dancing School at January 26, 2022 12:21 PM (vcOmj)
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It was, and it probably isn't worth it. I'll probably do screenshots out of Excel or something like that next time I need them.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 12:23 PM (DU+/6)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 26, 2022 12:21 PM (yQpMk)
I want non Lawyers on the Court. They make non complicated things, complicated, because... that is how they are trained.
Like the Vax Mandate. They did not shut it down because of your Rights, they shut it down because Congress did not pass a Law specifically allowing it.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 26, 2022 12:23 PM (oHd/0)
Didn't Michelle have her law licenses revoked? I don't think you could serve as a judge without that, could you??
Posted by: Moki at January 26, 2022 12:23 PM (JrN/x)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 12:23 PM (DU+/6)
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I looked through the code on the backend input system...
My eyes crossed.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 12:23 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 12:21 PM (Y5qcH)
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There's two types where I am. The brand new F150 with chrome accents, maybe is used twice a year to haul something from Home Depot. And the 25 year old trucks that have been beaten to shit as work trucks.
A lot of of people do tow with the trucks, boats and RVs. So they are used for that, even the pristine looking ones.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:24 PM (OalnH)
Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 26, 2022 12:11 PM (HmZuC)
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Eric Holder perhaps. And won't the redistricting project still be in play? (Two birds with one stone.)
Posted by: Lola at January 26, 2022 12:24 PM (xjz83)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 12:24 PM (DU+/6)
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 12:13 PM (lCui1)
Barack Obama.
michelle obama
Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at January 26, 2022 12:24 PM (Fbj1q)
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 12:24 PM (lCui1)
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at January 26, 2022
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The fastback Grabbers with the 302 engine crammed in there? And they might have put that engine in some of the sedans too.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 12:25 PM (txdEq)
I would like to think that but I haven't seen any actual evidence of it.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 12:25 PM (lzLwZ)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:25 PM (OalnH)
Posted by: Dan Crenshaw at January 26, 2022 12:26 PM (4I/2K)
Posted by: thesgm at January 26, 2022 12:40 PM (RRcGg)
Posted by: KT at January 26, 2022 12:46 PM (0ghg2)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 12:25 PM (txdEq)
Saw a few of those when I was younger. Very nice.
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at January 26, 2022 01:00 PM (Hh3y4)
2million "new' people needing housing? Gee, cannot figure out why housing costs are skyrocketing.
They may have "walked" here, but this is not a "Walking Country"...used car prices have gone up nearly 30% suddenly,..hmmm wonder why.
Hospitals/clinics jam packed...how many in those waiting rooms are not "Citizens"?
Posted by: birddog at January 26, 2022 01:04 PM (uAI4S)
Missed a good one.
Posted by: Braenyard saying, welcome to the new Cold War at January 26, 2022 01:38 PM (vP4gS)
Posted by: Some Moron at January 26, 2022
***
Vampire Willow was *hot.*
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:09 AM (txdEq)"
Bored now! :-)
Posted by: Joe Smith at January 26, 2022 10:15 PM (KKxUs)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 26, 2022 11:26 AM (z5Vrg)
Trump dumped on GA for opening up. You can't have it both ways."
Also, he let the states handle things, but approved spending federal money to subsidize them, which the mistake that killed him. Either he should have said, "You want to shut down the economy, you pay for it," or else he should have said, "If we're paying for the lockdowns, we decide when they end."
Posted by: Joe Smith at January 26, 2022 10:21 PM (KKxUs)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 26, 2022 11:10 AM (O7mKc)
++++
Which is technically true per these stats. 6.5 million jobs created between December of 2020 and December of 2021, all because of some the restrictions relaxing over the course of 2021 and some of the COVID-related welfare drying up.
But total employment is still below - by 3 million jobs - the last pre-pandemic month of December, 2019. The economy in the past year has added a staggering number of jobs, but they aren't nearly enough to offset the losses caused by COVID response after many years of increasing employment during the Trump boom."
Also, as a commenter on Instapundit (apologies, forgetting exactly who) pointed out, those numbers include the superior performance of the Republican-run states that opened up earlier. Imagine what the blue-state only numbers look like.
Posted by: Joe Smith at January 26, 2022 10:22 PM (KKxUs)
Go to the THOT link in 352, then scroll down a bit to the aerial footage: some small Canadian city was having a serious traffic problem this morning. The convoy coming from the western part of the country is now more than 70 KM (over 43 miles) long. . .and that's just one of three groups that is descending on Ottawa.
Posted by: Joe Smith at January 26, 2022 10:25 PM (KKxUs)
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