Wednesday Morning Guest Rant [Joe Mannix]

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A Referendum of His Own Baffling Choice
In his presser of lies, prevarication and bombast last week, Brandon said this little gem:
But the fact is that I think that the - I'm happy to debate and have a referendum on how I handle the economy, whether or not I've made progress on when - look, again - how can I - I'm taking too long answering your questions. I apologize.
Okay. You asked for it. Let's look at some key economic indicators from the past three years, comparing data for the month of December or Q4, depending on availability. Where applicable, all data are seasonally adjusted. Data source is the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

2019 2020 2021
Labor Force 164,633,000 160,671,000 162,294,000
Total Nonfarm Employment 151,919,000 142,503,000 148,951,000
Labor Participation Rate 63.3 61.5 61.9
Productivity (change from year ago) +0.6% -3.4% -5.2%
CPI-U 258.203 261.56 280.192
Urban Gasoline Index 240.923 204.217 305.483
Urban Energy Index 219.718 203.716 264.08
Urban Food Index 260.393 270.656 287.67
Med. full-time pretax weekly wages 936 984 1,010

Okay, so there's the BLS data. Let's compare each item from December or Q4 2021 to the final pre-pandemic month (December/Q4, 2019) and the final Trump month (December/Q4, 2020).
Compare
2019
Compare
2020
Relative
2019
Relative
2020
Labor Force -2,339,000
(-1.4%)
+1,623,000
(1.0%)
Worse Better
Total Nonfarm Employment -2,968,000
(-1.96%)
+6,448,000
(4.5%)
Worse Better
Labor Participation Rate -0.033
(2.2%)
+0.4
(0.07%)
Worse Better
Productivity (change from year ago) Already Relative Already Relative Worse Worse
CPI-U +21.989
(8.5%)
+18.632
(7.1%)
Worse Worse
Urban Gasoline Index +64.56
(+26.8%)
+101.266
(49.6%)
Worse Worse
Urban Energy Index +44.632
(20.2%)
+60.364
(29.6%)
Worse Worse
Urban Food Index +27.277
(10.5%)
+17.014
(6.3%)
Worse Worse
Med. full-time pretax weekly wages +74
(7.9%)
+26
(2.6%)
Better* Better*


That's not a good scorecard. He's not going to be judged only on his first year in office, but also as compared to the Dread Trump and the good times we had before the pandemic was used a justification to blow up the world.

Compared to a year a go, Brandon has improved on the labor force, total employment and the participation rate. Everything else is worse except *gross earnings, which are up, but by less than CPI-U growth and by a lot less than the Gasoline, Energy and Food sub-indices.

Compared to the last pre-pandemic year, though, every single category is worse. The labor force is smaller. Employment is smaller. Participation is lower. Productivity is down. Prices are up. Gasoline and energy are up hugely. Food is up by a lot. *Wages are up haven't kept pace with anything.

If you're spinning this like mad, it's mediocre at best compared to Trump's last month and the improvement (the employment figures) were essentially a fait accompli as restrictions started to wind down. Prices and wages are out of control and that squeeze is getting worse every day and everyone has no choice but to notice it. But even that's just as compared to Trump's last month. Compared to the final pre-pandemic month/quarter, everything is an unmitigated disaster in every respect.

You're happy to have a referendum on how you've handled the economy, Brandon? You want to run on your economic performance? Are you sure about that? Because if you're running on that, your prospects are about as good as the Wermacht's were around, say, April of 1945.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 11:00 AM




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1 st!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022 11:00 AM (HhfIU)

2 And that is one ugly monkey. Just sayin'.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022 11:01 AM (HhfIU)

3 Roomy in here.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022 11:01 AM (HhfIU)

4 Oh, all right, I'll go nood below.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022 11:01 AM (HhfIU)

5 Oh dear, that creepy monkey again!

Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 11:01 AM (URNdm)

6 The Others have been summoned.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022 11:02 AM (HhfIU)

7 Math!

My eyes!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 11:02 AM (LvTSG)

8 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Heart at January 26, 2022 11:02 AM (Zz0t1)

9 Lets go Brandon!

Posted by: fluffy at January 26, 2022 11:03 AM (tIat9)

10 Yo!

Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2022 11:03 AM (axyOa)

11 ". . .your prospects are about as good as the Wermacht's were around, say, April of 1945."


"Steiner came! Mostly in my Depends."

- - Reich Marshall Josef Soft-Serve

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2022 11:03 AM (s2VJv)

12 The spa must hate it when the monkey schedules his waxing

Posted by: Oldstoke at January 26, 2022 11:04 AM (sb+Cg)

13 I'll fix your wagon for this, Mannix, you pony soldier son of a bitch!

Posted by: Joe Biden, deadpanning at January 26, 2022 11:04 AM (h5TKJ)

14 Damn fat band sock.

Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:04 AM (Zz0t1)

15 That monkey is just too ugly.

Posted by: DaveA at January 26, 2022 11:04 AM (FhXTo)

16 The Media will run interference so the stupids will vote for whoever has a (D) after their name. And if the (D)s aren't winning, the cheating will commence.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 26, 2022 11:04 AM (p+1gI)

17 Werewolf > Wehrmacht

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at January 26, 2022 11:04 AM (FVME7)

18 Biden should be judged on hyper inflation and empty store shelves.

Normally this sort of crap happens during a war. And of course Biden is at war. With America.

Posted by: Endorsed by Muhammed at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (ESjRY)

19 Monkey needs hair club for simians.

Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (gmo/4)

20 TL;DR. Cliff's notes?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (uXonU)

21 "your prospects are about as good as the Wermacht's were around, say, April of 1945."

So you're saying there's a chance.

Posted by: Joe Biden at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (Y5qcH)

22 Vampire Willow > Werewolf > Wehrmacht

Posted by: Some Moron at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (ESjRY)

23 There macht! There castle.

Posted by: Igor at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (h5TKJ)

24 And that is one ugly monkey. Just sayin'.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022 11:01 AM (HhfIU)



I agree. It looks like something coming out of the pods in "Invasion of the Body Snatchers."

Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (Zz0t1)

25 the monkey is so ugly he needs a mask

soeaking of ugly but funny
Psaki impersonation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJqb-Nn765k

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (lCui1)

26 TL;DR. Cliff's notes?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (uXonU)



Fuck Joe Biden.

Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:06 AM (Zz0t1)

27 TL;DR. Cliff's notes?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (uXonU)
++++
Biden's a retard for *inviting* a "referendum on his handling of the economy."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:06 AM (DU+/6)

28 Mannix!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 26, 2022 11:06 AM (V6f9+)

29 Werewolf > Wehrmacht
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at January 26, 2022 11:04 AM


*points*

There. There Macht. There...Schloss.

Posted by: Eyegore at January 26, 2022 11:06 AM (HhfIU)

30 Bonk bonk on the head

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 26, 2022 11:06 AM (vuisn)

31 That monkey is cut. I'll bet he skips leg day.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 11:07 AM (uXonU)

32 "your prospects are about as good as the Wermacht's were around, say, April of 1945."
*
So you're saying there's a chance.
Posted by: Joe Biden at January 26, 2022


***
Adolf *thought* there was a chance. So does F. Joe.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:07 AM (txdEq)

33 27 TL;DR. Cliff's notes?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (uXonU)
++++
Biden's a retard for *inviting* a "referendum on his handling of the economy."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:06 AM (DU+/6)

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It could have been a referendum on his handling of foreign policy, or national security, or his ability to pass major legislation.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 11:07 AM (LvTSG)

34 Personally, I don't see how anything as fucking ugly as that chimp could still be alive. Hell, I think I could go out to the local graveyard and dig up a better looking corpse.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 11:08 AM (o2MD2)

35 Oh dear, that creepy monkey again!
Posted by: Lizzy

He's a chocolate monkey, in a basket of Easter grass! Yeah, that's the ticket!

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at January 26, 2022 11:08 AM (OssQ4)

36 TL;DR. Cliff's notes?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022
++++
Biden's a retard for *inviting* a "referendum on his handling of the economy."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022


***
Shorter version:
"Biden's a retard."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:08 AM (txdEq)

37 Monkey so ugly he needs a mask... hehehe.

That being said, wouldn't want to piss him off as he looks like he'd tear off one limb from limb.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at January 26, 2022 11:09 AM (UqbE6)

38 That chimp is one ugly hunk of muscle.

Posted by: Mishdog at January 26, 2022 11:09 AM (/VWLE)

39 This was darkly humorous Junta joking, from last night

Tucker Carlson: "A friend just sent this tweet: 'Having lost in Afghanistan, the graveyard of empires, the regime's next military adventure, invading Russia in winter.'"

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 11:09 AM (lMmuq)

40 Vampire Willow > Werewolf > Wehrmacht
Posted by: Some Moron at January 26, 2022


***
Vampire Willow was *hot.*

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:09 AM (txdEq)

41 Hell, I've seen better looking road kill.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 11:09 AM (o2MD2)

42 But Tom Hanks told us last hight more jobs were created by this administration than anyone ever

Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 26, 2022 11:10 AM (O7mKc)

43 Maybe instead of the current monkey we get monkeys and the monolith?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 11:10 AM (5pTK/)

44 come on, we all know that Putin is interfering to help Trump in 2024.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 26, 2022 11:10 AM (Ynyl9)

45 Boy, I really don't like the look of that monkey.

He'll rip your lungs out, Jim!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 26, 2022 11:11 AM (2JVJo)

46 It cannot be said enough: the drastic improvement under Trump was opening too many eyes and freeing too many people.

When the elites are challenged, they respond in drastic ways. You will never convince me that covid wasn't planned or that the 2020 election wasn't stolen.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 26, 2022 11:11 AM (KbCG3)

47
Is that enraged primate the final product of the CDC's engineered monkeys that they are inexplicably trucking around the nation?

And that shredded material --- excelsior!

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at January 26, 2022 11:11 AM (2iDSr)

48 17 Werewolf > Wehrmacht
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at January 26, 2022 11:04 AM (FVME7)

Weremacht! Which, if it isn't the German word for cyborg, should be.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at January 26, 2022 11:11 AM (cupoy)

49 Still, better than a lardass on an ottoman.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 11:11 AM (o2MD2)

50 But Tom Hanks told us last hight more jobs were created by this administration than anyone ever
Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 26, 2022


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That's a typo. He meant "more *jabs* were created."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:11 AM (txdEq)

51 You will never convince me that covid wasn't planned or that the 2020 election wasn't stolen.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer

Same on both counts.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at January 26, 2022 11:12 AM (OssQ4)

52 TL;DR. Cliff's notes?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 11:05 AM (uXonU)


Shelves are empty, gas is sky-high and you can only afford to eat cockroach pate, but the Dems are still going to win.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 26, 2022 11:12 AM (2JVJo)

53 That is the mutant monkey they are looking for in PA. Hope they find it before it runs for Governor.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at January 26, 2022 11:12 AM (J7wri)

54 What happened to all those "dollar deals" at the burger places?

Posted by: BignJames at January 26, 2022 11:13 AM (AwYPR)

55 39 This was darkly humorous Junta joking, from last night

Tucker Carlson: "A friend just sent this tweet: 'Having lost in Afghanistan, the graveyard of empires, the regime's next military adventure, invading Russia in winter.'"
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 11:09 AM (lMmuq)
***

Using the same General Staff.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2022 11:13 AM (axyOa)

56 TL;DR. Cliff's notes?
Posted by: rickb223

Biden sucks.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 26, 2022 11:13 AM (d3guq)

57 By the way, the "Change In Productivity" Joe highlights in his post has a lot to do with our supply chain problems and, in turn, is a driver of inflation.

The junta compounds their DumbShit-ism by printing money and shoveling it out the door, but until productivity increases, we have a big economic problem.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 11:13 AM (lMmuq)

58 DC law requires nude strippers to be masked...

Posted by: steevy at January 26, 2022 11:14 AM (CYnTg)

59 Tucker Carlson: "A friend just sent this tweet: 'Having lost in Afghanistan, the graveyard of empires, the regime's next military adventure, invading Russia in winter.'"
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022


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It's warmer down in Ukraine! It'll be fine!

Posted by: F. Joe B. at January 26, 2022 11:14 AM (txdEq)

60 Personally, I don't see how anything as fucking ugly as that chimp could still be alive.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 11:08 AM (o2MD2)

We say that about pelosi, and yet....

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 26, 2022 11:15 AM (VwHCD)

61 Nicely done. The charts belong in the art thread under post modernism.

Posted by: 7man at January 26, 2022 11:15 AM (qwO6y)

62 Oh dear, that creepy monkey again!
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I think of that monkey as a gargoyle. Ugliness and threat in stone.

Recalling a cartoon of gargoyles as protectors . . .

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 26, 2022 11:15 AM (MIKMs)

63 Joe's (not a Biden!) monkey is perfect for this type of Guest Rant!
Well chosen Joe M!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 26, 2022 11:15 AM (d3guq)

64 The junta compounds their DumbShit-ism by printing money and shoveling it out the door, but until productivity increases, we have a big economic problem.
Posted by: Huck Follywood,


Paying people to sit on their asses is a sure fire way to lower productivity.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 11:15 AM (uXonU)

65 2 Not a monkey. It is a prototypical progressive.

Posted by: CZ = FNG To Remain Silent Because, FNG at January 26, 2022 11:15 AM (MkuC5)

66 an important part of the western elite mindset is that they would have done it right. just because Trump accomplished things doesn't change the fact that he accomplished them the wrong way. Trump might have gotten us to energy independence, but he didn't achieve it with clean green energy.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 26, 2022 11:16 AM (Ynyl9)

67 But Tom Hanks told us last hight more jobs were created by this administration than anyone ever
Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 26, 2022 11:10 AM (O7mKc)
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Which is technically true per these stats. 6.5 million jobs created between December of 2020 and December of 2021, all because of some the restrictions relaxing over the course of 2021 and some of the COVID-related welfare drying up.

But total employment is still below - by 3 million jobs - the last pre-pandemic month of December, 2019. The economy in the past year has added a staggering number of jobs, but they aren't nearly enough to offset the losses caused by COVID response after many years of increasing employment during the Trump boom.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:16 AM (DU+/6)

68 Hiya Mannix !

Posted by: JT at January 26, 2022 11:17 AM (arJlL)

69 There is quite a lot of Soviet Ships rusting in the Caspian. The number of armored vehicles rusting across Ukraine and Russia are amazing.

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:17 AM (bA3Ln)

70 65 2 Not a monkey. It is a prototypical progressive.
Posted by: CZ = FNG To Remain Silent Because, FNG at January 26, 2022 11:15 AM (MkuC5)

Objection. Have you seen the skinny, pasty antifa types? They've never seen the inside of a gym. Trigglypuff is a better example of a prototypical progressive.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 26, 2022 11:17 AM (a/dOO)

71 Nice.

The media will never let statistics that put rezident retard in a bad light ever, ever see the light of day. Instead you get bullshit like "why inflation is actually a good thing."

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 26, 2022 11:17 AM (BFigT)

72 This fit brunette wants you to make good diet choices:

https://tinyurl.com/yjt7wzc2

Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 11:17 AM (URNdm)

73 Paying people to sit on their asses is a sure fire way to lower productivity.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 11:15 AM (uXonU)
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Bernie Sanders has made a career out of it, so he can't understand the problem.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 11:17 AM (lMmuq)

74 Meh. I used all my talent talking about SALT on the last thread. I'm all mathed out.

Cliffs Notes; the economy sucks, but it's not dead, in spite of Brandon's best efforts ?

Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 11:17 AM (FBTwQ)

75 US diplomatic officials forced to undergo anal COVID tests in China

https://tinyurl.com/3dcv9rw8

LOL Bend over chumps.

Posted by: Capital Eff at January 26, 2022 11:18 AM (GYllL)

76 19 Monkey needs hair club for simians.

naw. he'll be good with just an industrial-sized can of that ronco spray-on hair.

Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at January 26, 2022 11:18 AM (Fbj1q)

77 Math is like, so unnecessary, man.

Posted by: Gen Z, Probably at January 26, 2022 11:18 AM (e3OsQ)

78 Ha! Lizzy gets in ahead of the beach posting!

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 11:18 AM (lMmuq)

79 Boy, that's some authentic final frontier gibberish from the pervert in chief.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 26, 2022 11:18 AM (lxs27)

80 Nothing tickles my feather bones more than when Simple Joe's brain vapor locks on stupid shit that only a legislator would consider pertinent, - if he were a lifelong partisan hack.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 26, 2022 11:19 AM (6liew)

81 Math is like, so unnecessary, man.
Posted by: Gen Z, Probably at January 26, 2022 11:18 AM (e3OsQ)
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It's just subtraction and division. I think that only qualified as "arithmetic."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:19 AM (DU+/6)

82 75 US diplomatic officials forced to undergo anal COVID tests in China

https://tinyurl.com/3dcv9rw8

LOL Bend over chumps.
Posted by: Capital Eff



The current US diplomatic corps would find this pleasurable.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at January 26, 2022 11:19 AM (J7wri)

83 "...I'm happy to debate and have a referendum on how I handle the economy, whether or not I've made progres..."

Because you'll never face a true referendum, because everyone knows you aren't running in 2024. We're facing the referendum on your performance, and saying "fuck this shit, I'm out".

Posted by: 29+ Dem Representatives not running for re-election at January 26, 2022 11:19 AM (JCZqz)

84 >>But Tom Hanks told us last hight more jobs were created by this administration than anyone ever


It's like burning down a neighborhood and then bragging about all the new homes you've built after.

FJB can't even brag about jobs created or saved, since not saving them was the first step.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 11:20 AM (URNdm)

85 I expect the Dems' midterm argument to look like this: We have a system in which some people and companies are very good at making money. We dumped seven trillion dollars into that system and those same people and companies made a ton of money.

We did not expect this. We have no idea how this happened. They cheated. Vote for us.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at January 26, 2022 11:20 AM (cupoy)

86 Price of Gas, period. That's what tells you everything you need to know about your dollar.

Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022 11:20 AM (l0Lgi)

87 Well, gee, who'd have thought an experimental vaccine that kills off productive people and tossing cash at people who aren't all that interested in work would affect labor participation rates?

Never saw that coming!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 11:20 AM (5pTK/)

88 Of course the economy isn't "dead", but we've got a 000- gage wire pushing a couple milliwatts of power because some assholes at the power plant have ridiculous ideas about power generation.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 26, 2022 11:21 AM (lxs27)

89 Trump might have gotten us to energy independence, but he didn't achieve it with clean green energy.
=====

I have had a surprising amount of success with the more naive green energy proponents by stating absolutely that I will not support an industry using slave and child labor for its' battery technology.

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 26, 2022 11:21 AM (MIKMs)

90

That monkey is just too ugly.
Posted by: DaveA at January 26, 2022 11:04 AM (FhXTo)


Okay, now I want a painting of a monkey by Lucian Freud.

Make it happen, CBD!

*claps hands*

Chop! Chop!

Posted by: naturalfake at January 26, 2022 11:21 AM (5NkmN)

91 Because you'll never face a true referendum, because everyone knows you aren't running in 2024. We're facing the referendum on your performance, and saying "fuck this shit, I'm out".
Posted by: 29+ Dem Representatives not running for re-election at January 26, 2022 11:19 AM (JCZqz)
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There's a bit more context to that answer, which is embedded in the question. You'll see it in the transcript. He was asked whether he was worried about the 2022 midterms being viewed as a "referendum" on his performance. Then he vomited up that he welcomed such a referendum.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:21 AM (DU+/6)

92 84 >>But Tom Hanks told us last hight more jobs were created by this administration than anyone ever
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Tom is a pedophile, amirite?

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:21 AM (bA3Ln)

93 74 Meh. I used all my talent talking about SALT on the last thread. I'm all mathed out.

Cliffs Notes; the economy sucks, but it's not dead, in spite of Brandon's best efforts ?
Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 11:17 AM (FBTwQ)

You discussed SALT on the last thread? Man, now I have do open the art thread and search.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 26, 2022 11:21 AM (a/dOO)

94 Wow! Tom Hanks says everything is hunky dory. I'm sold. After all Tom in an actor so I really, really care what he thinks.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 11:21 AM (o2MD2)

95 Do facts or data matter anymore in post-rationality America?

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 26, 2022 11:22 AM (H8QX8)

96 He'll rip your lungs out, Jim!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 26, 2022 11:11 AM


Are there weremonkeys in London? 'Cause that thing's hair is pretty far from perfect.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022 11:22 AM (HhfIU)

97 But Tom Hanks told us last hight more jobs were created by this administration than anyone ever
Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 26, 2022

The Simpsons predicted that Tom Hanks would become the government propaganda spokesperson

I can't believe Tom walked right into it.

Posted by: SMOD at January 26, 2022 11:22 AM (RHGPo)

98 I'm not happy with anyone. Our slide started in 2019 when we shut down the country and spent trillions on Covid Relief giveaways that has led to our current employment crisis. ( first time I can remember a bad economy with so many help wanted signs) . F'ing bizarre.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 26, 2022 11:22 AM (Ik+Dg)

99 naw. he'll be good with just an industrial-sized can of that ronco spray-on hair.
Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at January 26, 2022 11:18 AM (Fbj1q)
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That's a really funny scene between Beau and Jeff Bridges in "The Fabulous Baker Boys."

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 11:22 AM (5pTK/)

100 "It's like burning down a neighborhood and then bragging about all the new homes you've built after."

And there is Build Back Better in a nutshell.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 26, 2022 11:22 AM (jTmQV)

101 And that is one ugly monkey. Just sayin'.

That picture is such a great find. Perfect for this segment.

Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022 11:23 AM (1vynn)

102 That monkey looks like Ray Harryhausen got called away from the set and never returned.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at January 26, 2022 11:23 AM (wBpKf)

103
It's like burning down a neighborhood and then bragging about all the new homes you've built after.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 11:20 AM (URNdm)

So you enjoyed the Cash for Clunkers program. Wait until you see our next trick!

Posted by: Democrat Mystics with Economics degrees at January 26, 2022 11:23 AM (cupoy)

104 Do facts or data matter anymore in post-rationality America?
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 26, 2022 11:22 AM (H8QX
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Data? No. Facts? Yes - but only if they're visceral and in your face.

Empty shelves are a fact. Higher prices are a fact. Unemployment is a fact.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:23 AM (DU+/6)

105 Went to the grocery store last evening, hoping to get ahead of the coming snow dump, and the store was out of chicken breasts. I asked, and they said the expected delivery never came. Steaks were selling in the butcher cabinet as high as $28 per pound, for their best rib eye, versus $22 just last year. Unbelievable supply and price disruptions.

I bought chicken thighs, meat loaf fixings and also turkey chili ingredients, by the way. All cheap, and delicious.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 11:23 AM (lMmuq)

106 if the gov't allows businesses to reopen and unemployment checks stop going out, of course there will be (we presume) more people working. That isn't creating jobs, but most Dem voters can't understand that.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 26, 2022 11:23 AM (Ynyl9)

107 How much differently would trump have handled Covid if he wasn't dealing with the impeachment at the beginning?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 26, 2022 11:24 AM (F4b8f)

108 Doh! In a classic case of life imitating art, the recent White House video narrated by Tom Hanks promoting the achievements of the Biden administration has a parallel: a scene from the 2007 comedy adventure film The Simpsons Movie.

In the 2007 version, a cartoon Hanks is shown saying, "Hello, I'm Tom Hanks. The US government has lost its credibility so it's borrowing some of mine."

Posted by: SMOD at January 26, 2022 11:24 AM (RHGPo)

109 95 Do facts or data matter anymore in post-rationality America?

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 26, 2022 11:22 AM (H8QX

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Dark Ages 2: Medieval Boogaloo.

Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 11:24 AM (sfn+i)

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Posted by: Lizzy

!

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Posted by: JT at January 26, 2022 11:24 AM (arJlL)

111 (first time I can remember a bad economy with so many help wanted signs) . F'ing bizarre.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 26, 2022 11:22 AM (Ik+Dg)

The McDonald's here was putting help wanted fliers in every drive through bag.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 11:25 AM (Y5qcH)

112 85 I expect the Dems' midterm argument to look like this:


Argument? Please. Panic and mail-in voting are what they need.

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 26, 2022 11:25 AM (H8QX8)

113 Price of Gas, period. That's what tells you everything you need to know about your dollar.
Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022


***
Yes. It was a little over $2/gallon here in late 2019; it fell to $1.40 during April and May of '20. Now it's at $3 for 87 E10, $3.70 for E0 when you can find it, and about that for premium. And I know my area is not expensive compared to the NE and The People's Republic of Kalifornia.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:25 AM (txdEq)

114 How much differently would trump have handled Covid if he wasn't dealing with the impeachment at the beginning?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 26, 2022 11:24 AM (F4b8f)
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Remember, PDT wanted lockdown madness to end on Easter a couple of years ago. For some reason, he backed off on that.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 11:25 AM (5pTK/)

115 But Tom Hanks told us last hight more jobs were created by this administration than anyone ever
Posted by: Skip

Of course, Tom is now a citizen of Greece so why does he think we care about his opinion of the US economy and politics?

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 26, 2022 11:25 AM (d3guq)

116 5 Oh dear, that creepy monkey again!
Posted by: Lizzy
__________

Why am I "creepy" lady?

Is it because I'm old? Ageist! Is it because I'm not pretty? Lookist! Is it because I'm bald? Hair-privileged bigot! Is it because I'm not human? Species-ist!

Why don't you check your elitist white lady privilege and stop being so exclusionary and judgmental and bigoted towards creatures who are different from you?

Posted by: Offended Ape preparing his Hate Speech lawsuit at January 26, 2022 11:26 AM (k4dH2)

117 >>I trusted you !

Hey, he *is* fit!

Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 11:26 AM (URNdm)

118 Wisconsin passed the Convention of States resolution yesterday. Sixteen states down, eighteen to go.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 11:26 AM (lMmuq)

119 The McDonald's here was putting help wanted fliers in every drive through bag.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe


AND paying the mythical $15/hr.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 11:26 AM (uXonU)

120 Ford had to stop taking pre orders of its $20,000 Maverick truck because they have sold out what they can reasonably manufacture this year. I can't imagine what kind of rickety piece of crap that truck will be at $20,000.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 26, 2022 11:26 AM (F4b8f)

121 114 How much differently would trump have handled Covid if he wasn't dealing with the impeachment at the beginning?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 26, 2022 11:24 AM (F4b8f)
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Remember, PDT wanted lockdown madness to end on Easter a couple of years ago. For some reason, he backed off on that.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 11:25 AM (5pTK/)

Well it was the states locking down. Trump took the approach from the beginning that the states were able to decide how they wanted to handle things.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 26, 2022 11:26 AM (z5Vrg)

122 I am affected by SALT, but not by a huge amount. The only change I would propose it to index it to inflation they way they do for other tax amounts (such as how much you can contribute to a flexible spending account).

Otherwise, with inflation running rampart, even people in lower tax states will start hitting the cap, as nominal wages (and therefore state income taxes) rise and similarly local property taxes. Eventually, you will have much more than 13% of people affected by the SALT cap. It will become like the AMT did 5 years ago, when instead of affecting the richest 155 people, it was starting to ensnare over 5 million filers.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 26, 2022 11:26 AM (a/dOO)

123 115 But Tom Hanks told us last hight more jobs were created by this administration than anyone ever
Posted by: Skip

Of course, Tom is now a citizen of Greece so why does he think we care about his opinion of the US economy and politics?
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron



Apparently he has dual citizenship.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at January 26, 2022 11:27 AM (J7wri)

124 Lizzy! Here is another fit brunette just for you


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Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 11:27 AM (o2MD2)

125 In the 2007 version, a cartoon Hanks is shown saying, "Hello, I'm Tom Hanks. The US government has lost its credibility so it's borrowing some of mine."

Posted by: SMOD at January 26, 2022 11:24 AM (RHGPo)

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What does Zero + Zero equal these days?

Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 11:27 AM (sfn+i)

126 121 Well it was the states locking down. Trump took the approach from the beginning that the states were able to decide how they wanted to handle things.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 26, 2022 11:26 AM (z5Vrg)

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"We shut down our economies without Trump's involvement. Also, the economic downturn is Trump's fault."
-NY and CA

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 11:27 AM (LvTSG)

127 Of course, Tom is now a citizen of Greece so why does he think we care about his opinion of the US economy and politics?
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Have you ever studied the economy of Greece? For a Greek, Biden is an improvement.

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:27 AM (bA3Ln)

128 >>Lizzy! Here is another fit brunette just for you


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Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 11:28 AM (URNdm)

129 I propose an alternative and modest change to SALT.

Remove it entirely. Deducting federal taxes off of state taxes is idiotic.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 11:28 AM (LvTSG)

130 What does Zero + Zero equal these days?
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 11:27 AM (sfn+i)
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Oh, I know this!

#winning!

What do I get?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 11:28 AM (5pTK/)

131 That monkey looks like Ray Harryhausen got called away from the set and never returned.
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at January 26, 2022


***
That's an idea. Instead of an ape, now and then we could have a pic of the giant bipedal lizard from Venus, the Ymir, in 20 Million Miles to Earth!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:28 AM (txdEq)

132 That is the mutant monkey they are looking for in PA. Hope they find it before it runs for Governor.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at January 26, 2022 11:12 AM (J7wri)


Do you want planet of the apes? Because that's how you get planet of the apes.


Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 11:29 AM (gmo/4)

133 120 Ford had to stop taking pre orders of its $20,000 Maverick truck because they have sold out what they can reasonably manufacture this year. I can't imagine what kind of rickety piece of crap that truck will be at $20,000.
_____________

This Arizonan won't be buying one.

I have an innate hostility towards anything called "maverick."

Posted by: Offended Ape preparing his Hate Speech lawsuit at January 26, 2022 11:29 AM (k4dH2)

134 Is the truck called a Maverick or is it based on the old sedan? I had one in the 70's, good thing it was easy to work on!

Posted by: Indignatio Vindicatorem at January 26, 2022 11:29 AM (oWBc3)

135 I bought chicken thighs, meat loaf fixings and also turkey chili ingredients, by the way. All cheap, and delicious.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 11:23 AM (lMmuq)

Turkey chili is an abomination.

[Central Jersey? How's Wegmans?]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 26, 2022 11:29 AM (Q9lwr)

136 That monkey monster is...is...ick.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 26, 2022 11:29 AM (sVtYq)

137 The "economy" doesn't affect the elite.

Like I have always said about Mrs. F.'s rich lib family: they can afford to be socialists.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 26, 2022 11:29 AM (EZebt)

138
You uppity peasants expect too much.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 26, 2022 11:29 AM (/U27+)

139 This monkey looks dead. Sideshow Fauci Pet?

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:30 AM (bA3Ln)

140 Ford had to stop taking pre orders of its $20,000 Maverick truck because they have sold out what they can reasonably manufacture this year. I can't imagine what kind of rickety piece of crap that truck will be at $20,000.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy


Honestly? That's all a truck should cost.
You want a Cadillac, buy a Cadillac.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 11:30 AM (uXonU)

141 This Arizonan won't be buying one.

I have an innate hostility towards anything called "maverick."
Posted by: Offended Ape preparing his Hate Speech lawsuit at January 26, 2022 11:29 AM (k4dH2)
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While we appreciate your concerns want to appeal to all customers, the Arizonan driving ape population is not large enough to justify tailoring our operations.

Posted by: Ford Motor Company at January 26, 2022 11:30 AM (DU+/6)

142 2 And that is one ugly monkey. Just sayin'.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022 11:01 AM (HhfIU)

I ain't no monkey, asshole!!

Posted by: Bald, Muscular Ape at January 26, 2022 11:30 AM (HKXbk)

143 129 I propose an alternative and modest change to SALT.

Remove it entirely. Deducting federal taxes off of state taxes is idiotic.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 11:28 AM (LvTSG)

I propose an even more modest change:
A 10% flat tax on everyone


Adjust percentage the following year as needed to hit budget numbers.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 26, 2022 11:30 AM (V6f9+)

144 Of course, Tom is now a citizen of Greece so why does he think we care about his opinion of the US economy and politics?

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron

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When Hanks is heard these days yelling "Will sooooooooooooon", all the neighborhood boys run and hide.

Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 11:31 AM (sfn+i)

145 133 120 Ford had to stop taking pre orders of its $20,000 Maverick truck because they have sold out what they can reasonably manufacture this year. I can't imagine what kind of rickety piece of crap that truck will be at $20,000.
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They named it Maverick. What the fuck were they thinking.

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:31 AM (bA3Ln)

146 143 I propose an even more modest change:
A 10% flat tax on everyone


Adjust percentage the following year as needed to hit budget numbers.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 26, 2022 11:30 AM (V6f9+)

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If the federal government can just print and borrow to fund itself, I say it eliminate all federal taxes and fees.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 11:31 AM (LvTSG)

147 It's like burning down a neighborhood and then bragging about all the new homes you've built after.

You're not wrong. Not in the slightest. It's the broken window theory of economics.

Yeah - if you send the kids around to throw rocks through windows, that will indeed spur economic activity. Throw enough rocks, and everybody is back to work. But, in the macro sense, wealth hasn't been created. Perfectly good windows were destroyed, just to have more windows installed.

It would make equally good sense to pay the window makers and installers to get that dirt out of Boss Kean's ditch, only to get that dirt back out of Boss Kean's yard.

Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 11:31 AM (FBTwQ)

148 Thank you for this. I keep seeing libs this year's numbers in comparison to last year's -- during a complete shutdown of the economy -- to say "Look how well Biden's doing! America's back!" I know it's a lie. They know it's a lie. But without 2019's numbers to compare to, they're able to pretend it's the truth.

Posted by: red speck at January 26, 2022 11:31 AM (gS3OW)

149 147 Yeah - if you send the kids around to throw rocks through windows, that will indeed spur economic activity. Throw enough rocks, and everybody is back to work. But, in the macro sense, wealth hasn't been created. Perfectly good windows were destroyed, just to have more windows installed.

It would make equally good sense to pay the window makers and installers to get that dirt out of Boss Kean's ditch, only to get that dirt back out of Boss Kean's yard.
Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 11:31 AM (FBTwQ)

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"I was going to buy a suit instead..."
-The guy who owns the broken windows

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 11:32 AM (LvTSG)

150 Have you ever studied the economy of Greece? For a Greek, Biden is an improvement.
Posted by: Puddin Head

Agree, I'm also sure Tom and his wife moved there because their money makes them extremely wealthy Greeks.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 26, 2022 11:32 AM (d3guq)

151
Boy, I really don't like the look of that monkey.

He'll rip your lungs out, Jim!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing


I'd like to meet his Colonel Taylor.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 26, 2022 11:32 AM (63Dwl)

152 re 89: so we need to pass a minimum wage law for other countries, too. Problem solved, AOC style.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 26, 2022 11:33 AM (Ynyl9)

153
I propose an even more modest change:
A 10% flat tax on everyone


Adjust percentage the following year as needed to hit budget numbers.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 26, 2022 11:30 AM (V6f9+)

While we're at it, federal spending cannot exceed last years tax revenues.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at January 26, 2022 11:33 AM (cupoy)

154 I propose an even more modest change:
A 10% flat tax on everyone


Adjust percentage the following year as needed to hit budget numbers.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 26, 2022 11:30 AM (V6f9+)

That 10% quickly becomes 50%, followed by a equitable distribution to all *residents* of the United States regardless of immigration status, which is then in the budget.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 26, 2022 11:34 AM (a/dOO)

155 The average salary of 2.1 + million federal employees is $90,510 excluding benefits. There are by far more Federal employees who've attained high school or Bachelor degrees than any other educational level in that workforce. (FedSmith dot com)

I've heard bonuses, time off & other awards during the last calendar year were "blazing" (outstanding) and office workers are now scheduled to be returning (to some greater degree) towards the end of February.

Many states follow similar patterns to that of the Feds.

Posted by: Lola at January 26, 2022 11:34 AM (xjz83)

156 We were at Menard's yesterday. While strolling through their food section (weird for a home improvement store, but surprisingly well stocked) I noticed an enormous amount of dried food. Packages to make 8 servings of soups, chili, etc. Many different brands and varieties. Not your typical "survival" or camping fare either.

I mentioned to my wife we should return and buy several of each and every one. They only require water, and in some cases, meat. Shelf life is probably 10 years.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 26, 2022 11:34 AM (BFigT)

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Posted by: Anon Military Moron at January 26, 2022 11:34 AM (JCZqz)

158 I propose an even more modest change:
A 10% flat tax on everyone

Adjust percentage the following year as needed to hit budget numbers.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 26, 2022 11:30 AM (V6f9+)

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Adjust the budget numbers to the revenue collected in the previous year as needed.

Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 11:34 AM (sfn+i)

159 When the R's take the House, they should establish a House filibuster just to screw with the dems.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 11:34 AM (UuD2k)

160 But Tom Hanks told us last hight more jobs were created by this administration than anyone ever

Shouldn't he have been canceled for starting his career on a show making fun of drag queens and trannies? Sure, it was forty-something years ago but I have been told that some things are never OK.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 11:34 AM (nfrXX)

161 The gamer enthusiasts want you to know they enjoy dressing up in character -- including leather!!

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Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 11:34 AM (URNdm)

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Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 11:17 AM (URNdm)

The distaff response to Joe Mannix

**golf clap***

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at January 26, 2022 11:35 AM (BgMrQ)

163 Is the truck called a Maverick or is it based on the old sedan? I had one in the 70's, good thing it was easy to work on!
Posted by: Indignatio Vindicatorem at January 26, 2022


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No, this is a truck. Like a lot of US manufactureres, maybe all, they're concentrating on trucks and SUVs.

A Maverick 4-door with a 6-cylinder engine was my first car. I'd probably find it tinny and noisy to drive today; but in the mid-'70s, after years of riding buses and cadging rides from increasingly reluctant friends, I loved it. I learned a lot about maintenance with it and it got good mileage for the time.

And yes, $20K is all a truck should cost. I'd go further and say it's all a *house* should cost, and a Cadillac should be vastly cheaper than that.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:35 AM (txdEq)

164 160 Shouldn't he have been canceled for starting his career on a show making fun of drag queens and trannies? Sure, it was forty-something years ago but I have been told that some things are never OK.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 11:34 AM (nfrXX)

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It's almost like targets of cancel culture are capriciously chosen without any kind of guiding principle beyond choosing someone they wish to destroy anyway.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 11:35 AM (LvTSG)

165 I'd like to meet his Colonel Taylor.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.


Oh, nice!

Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022 11:35 AM (l0Lgi)

166 They named it Maverick. What the fuck were they thinking.
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That very nice, down-to-earth Rockford guy.

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 26, 2022 11:35 AM (MIKMs)

167

34,642.26 +344.53 (+1.00%)
As of 11:35AM EST. Market open.

Posted by: DJIA Deathwatch at January 26, 2022 11:35 AM (BaGvt)

168 While we're at it, federal spending cannot exceed last years tax revenues.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at January 26, 2022 11:33 AM (cupoy)

Didn't the Tea Party try to address this? Every single politician in Washington despised them for it. The corruption is total and unregenerate.

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 26, 2022 11:35 AM (H8QX8)

169 >>>I ain't no monkey, asshole!!

>This is what Gov. Arnie Schwarzenegger looked like just before he ran over a Prius in his monster fucking Tahoe.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 26, 2022 11:35 AM (6liew)

170 This US Diplomat is receiving his anal swab right in the Beijing airport terminal.

https://tinyurl.com/2p9a2utt

Posted by: Capital Eff at January 26, 2022 11:36 AM (GYllL)

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I find this game...disturbing. How 'bout a sexy blonde vet to cleanse the palate.
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Posted by: Anon Military Moron at January 26, 2022 11:34 AM (JCZqz)
++++
This is all unacceptable. Here's an armed black girl in an olive-drab bikini to act as an *actual* palate cleanser:
https://is.gd/uQO0qZ

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:36 AM (DU+/6)

172 Tom Hanks......

"Person paid to say things written by others says the things he's paid to say."


Not a story. Not trustworthy.

Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:36 AM (Zz0t1)

173 While we're at it, federal spending cannot exceed last years tax revenues.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at January 26, 2022 11:33 AM (cupoy)

Oh, I like that

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 26, 2022 11:36 AM (V6f9+)

174

Greece is a gorgeous country, with amazing weather, outstanding food, and thousands and thousands of young teenage migrants eager to put M & Ms on your man-meat...

Posted by: Hunter Bidet, Hedgehog at January 26, 2022 11:36 AM (mZpPn)

175 labor force participation rate went from 66 in Oct 2008 steadily down under Obama to ~62.5. Recovered a little under Trump to 63.3 where workers finally got "a pay raise".

"They" had to kill that and remove Trump ... Plandemic was just the Ticket. At every step the rich were made profoundly richer as trillions "saved the economy", even as small business was murdered, along with unnecessary Death by withholding treatment.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 26, 2022 11:36 AM (Cus5s)

176 $20k is the MSRP.
Do you want seats with your Maverick?

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 26, 2022 11:36 AM (jTmQV)

177 I propose an even more modest change:
A 10% flat tax on everyone

Adjust percentage the following year as needed to hit budget numbers.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

I'd rather you include repealing income tax *before* we add a flat tax...

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 26, 2022 11:36 AM (d3guq)

178 Ford had to stop taking pre orders of its $20,000 Maverick truck because they have sold out what they can reasonably manufacture this year. I can't imagine what kind of rickety piece of crap that truck will be at $20,000.

Look at the build quality of the original Maverick. Now subtract the steel in favor of aluminum and plastic.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at January 26, 2022 11:36 AM (SchxB)

179 This is all unacceptable. Here's an armed black girl in an olive-drab bikini to act as an *actual* palate cleanser:
https://is.gd/uQO0qZ
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:36 AM (DU+/6)

Hotassery is going to regret meeting hot brass...ery

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at January 26, 2022 11:37 AM (V6f9+)

180 >>But Tom Hanks told us last hight more jobs were created by this administration than anyone ever


Translation: Isn't it awesome that after you lost your family-owned business, or you were downsized from your white collar job after many years there were more jobs at Amazon warehouses, Target and Walmart than pre-pandemic???

Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2022 11:37 AM (URNdm)

181 145 133 120 Ford had to stop taking pre orders of its $20,000 Maverick truck because they have sold out what they can reasonably manufacture this year. I can't imagine what kind of rickety piece of crap that truck will be at $20,000.
-----------------
They named it Maverick. What the fuck were they thinking.
Posted by: Puddin Head


a) I'm sure most are going out the door more like $30K. Base prices are...base prices. I don't think it's gonna be any worse than the Escape it's based off of.

b) Ford has spent the last two decades utterly screwing up its branding. Taurus owned the market for a decade then they screwed up with the '96 model so...out the window the name goes. They do this routinely, throw out names, resurrect old ones, etc. Toyota doesn't do this. Honda doesn't do this. But Ford dies.

Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 11:37 AM (Qh7KG)

182 I can't imagine what kind of rickety piece of crap that truck will be at $20,000.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 26, 2022 11:26 AM (F4b8f)


All the reviews I've read are giving it pretty good marks. Ford decided to stop building cars (aside from the Mustang), so this is their low-budget offering now.

Posted by: spindrift at January 26, 2022 11:38 AM (h5TKJ)

183 turkey chili ingredients, by the way. All cheap, and delicious.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 11:23 AM (lMmuq)

If you want a great chili for ground turkey to work in, do Cooking Light's Pumpkin Sweet Potato Black Bean chili - you can just use a whole can of pumpkin and regular beer or wine (or broth) for the pumpkin beer, and you just jack up the spices to account for the extra pumpkin and the meat product (that you will add to the baseline recipe)...it comes out great and is perfect for turkey - and pork BBQ leftovers, but don't ask me how I know that one (okay, it was the spouse insisting he didn't want vegan that night, so it's what was in the fridge).

Posted by: Nova local at January 26, 2022 11:38 AM (exHjb)

184 Mutant monkey from Pennsylvania truck crash.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 26, 2022 11:38 AM (63Dwl)

185 Translation: Isn't it awesome that after you lost your family-owned business, or you were downsized from your white collar job after many years there were more jobs at Amazon warehouses, Target and Walmart than pre-pandemic???

China has 100% employment. I'm sure they'd let anybody in that wants a piece of that little slice of heaven.

Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 11:38 AM (FBTwQ)

186 They named it Maverick. What the fuck were they thinking

They're saving Pinto for something really special.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 11:38 AM (nfrXX)

187 * note don't add a whole can of pumpkin and then the pumpkin suggested - just up the suggested amount to the can, so it doesn't sit in your fridge and rot.

Posted by: Nova local at January 26, 2022 11:39 AM (exHjb)

188 China has 100% employment. I'm sure they'd let anybody in that wants a piece of that little slice of heaven.
Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 11:38 AM (FBTwQ)
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Just ignore those suicide prevention nets outside the factory building!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 11:39 AM (5pTK/)

189 179 This is all unacceptable. Here's an armed black girl in an olive-drab bikini to act as an *actual* palate cleanser:
https://is.gd/uQO0qZ
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)


The Sam Browne Vulva.

I approve.

Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 11:39 AM (Qh7KG)

190 I can't imagine what kind of rickety piece of crap that truck will be at $20,000.

I will definitely be springing for the titanium pedals upgrade. I'll want a windshield, too.

Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022 11:40 AM (DMQdU)

191 I will definitely be springing for the titanium pedals upgrade. I'll want a windshield, too.
Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022 11:40 AM (DMQdU)

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*takes notes*

I see. Will you be wanting an engine with that, too?

Posted by: Ford Salesman at January 26, 2022 11:41 AM (5pTK/)

192 190 "I can't imagine what kind of rickety piece of crap that truck will be at $20,000."

I will definitely be springing for the titanium pedals upgrade. I'll want a windshield, too.
Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022 11:40 AM (DMQdU)

And will you be wanting functioning brakes with that order?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 26, 2022 11:41 AM (z5Vrg)

193 While we're at it, federal spending cannot exceed last years tax revenues.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at January 26, 2022 11:33 AM (cupoy)


And what's to stop the feds creating a multitude of new and jacked-up taxes on the middle class in order to feed their uncontrollable spending?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 26, 2022 11:41 AM (2JVJo)

194 Lizzy! Here is another fit brunette just for you


https://tinyurl.com/mwa7dmun
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 11:27 AM


Are you trying to get AtC to flamethrow the thread?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022 11:42 AM (HhfIU)

195 And will you be wanting functioning brakes with that order?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead!


It's just a squared-off Escape with a nominal bed.

Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 11:42 AM (Qh7KG)

196 Ford is going ahead and implementing vaccine mandates for their salaried employees. I wouldn't buy any Ford right now.

Posted by: Capital Eff at January 26, 2022 11:42 AM (GYllL)

197 193 While we're at it, federal spending cannot exceed last years tax revenues.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at January 26, 2022 11:33 AM (cupoy)

And what's to stop the feds creating a multitude of new and jacked-up taxes on the middle class in order to feed their uncontrollable spending?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 26, 2022 11:41 AM (2JVJo)

========

As long as we're fantasizing...

The annual feed a random 10% of Congress and the bureaucracy to the guillotine day events.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 11:42 AM (LvTSG)

198 I can't imagine what kind of rickety piece of crap that truck will be at $20,000.

I haven't seen the Mav. I will say this - I have thought for years that the Ranger produced overseas would be a big winner here in the US if they gave it a modest interior upgrade. As would the Toyota Hilux. Those things run as well as the old Toyota models, cheap and not bad to work on.

Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 11:42 AM (FBTwQ)

199 Well it was the states locking down. Trump took the approach from the beginning that the states were able to decide how they wanted to handle things.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 26, 2022 11:26 AM (z5Vrg)

Trump dumped on GA for opening up. You can't have it both ways.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 26, 2022 11:42 AM (Ik+Dg)

200 If I was running GM I would produce a simple copy of the 1955 apache with modern suspension and electrics and fuel injection. AC would be optional. The price would be reasonable, and I would sell a shitload of them.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 11:43 AM (o2MD2)

201 b) Ford has spent the last two decades utterly screwing up its branding. Taurus owned the market for a decade then they screwed up with the '96 model so...out the window the name goes. They do this routinely, throw out names, resurrect old ones, etc. Toyota doesn't do this. Honda doesn't do this. But Ford dies.
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022


***
They could easily resurrect the Galaxie nameplate, the Fairlane, Falcon, and LTD, and Mercury nameplates like Park Lane.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:43 AM (txdEq)

202 155 The average salary of 2.1 + million federal employees is $90,510 excluding benefits. There are by far more Federal employees who've attained high school or Bachelor degrees than any other educational level in that workforce. (FedSmith dot com)

I've heard bonuses, time off & other awards during the last calendar year were "blazing" (outstanding) and office workers are now scheduled to be returning (to some greater degree) towards the end of February.

Many states follow similar patterns to that of the Feds.

Posted by: Lola at January 26, 2022 11:34 AM (xjz83)

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"In the future you will all work for the State Leviathan, and you will like it."

Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 11:43 AM (gM/eU)

203 The Maverick wasn't a terrible car.

The Pinto, I'll give you, but I had a 75 Maverick 4 door for a while. That was a decent ride.

Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:43 AM (Zz0t1)

204
And what's to stop the feds creating a multitude of new and jacked-up taxes on the middle class in order to feed their uncontrollable spending?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 26, 2022 11:41 AM (2JVJo)
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Public floggings/executions.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 11:43 AM (5pTK/)

205 This US Diplomat is receiving his anal swab right in the Beijing airport terminal.

I say we should return the favor. Every Chinese diplomat, student, tourist, whatever gets the anal swab on entry to the country, then once a week for the duration of their stay. Dr. Admiral Rachael can administer the swab personally. They just need to make sure during the swab that the Dr. Admiral doesn't have both hands on their shoulders during the procedure.

Posted by: Old Blue at January 26, 2022 11:43 AM (VNmG1)

206 196 Ford is going ahead and implementing vaccine mandates for their salaried employees. I wouldn't buy any Ford right now.
Posted by: Capital Eff at January 26, 2022 11:42 AM (GYllL)

When the first one dies I hope his or her family sues them out of existence.

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 26, 2022 11:43 AM (H8QX8)

207 The annual feed a random 10% of Congress and the bureaucracy to the guillotine day events.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford


Musical Treechippers.

Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 11:43 AM (Qh7KG)

208 If $20,000 for a truck means it has a lot fewer electronic chips, then they might be onto something. Since chips are still a major constraint, and cheap electronics are notorious for failing quite easily, going to almost a modern Saturn* route would be interesting.

*Remember, when Saturn started, there were a lot of concerns about the "plastic" body and durability. However, they sold well at the beginning and were popular and reasonably reliable when they stuck to their origins. Saturn started going downhill when they just became like every other car brand.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 26, 2022 11:44 AM (a/dOO)

209 Ford is going ahead and implementing vaccine mandates for their salaried employees. I wouldn't buy any Ford right now.

On the other hand, I've done a few projects at Ford. That mandate couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of folks.

Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 11:45 AM (FBTwQ)

210 199 Well it was the states locking down. Trump took the approach from the beginning that the states were able to decide how they wanted to handle things.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 26, 2022 11:26 AM (z5Vrg)

Trump dumped on GA for opening up. You can't have it both ways.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 26, 2022 11:42 AM (Ik+Dg)

Did GA close down afterwards? Must've missed something when I was living there.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 26, 2022 11:45 AM (z5Vrg)

211 The Pinto, I'll give you, but I had a 75 Maverick 4 door for a while. That was a decent ride.
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks


Well, by '75 they weren't at their best, but platform-wise it was basically an early Mustang with all the good and bad that implies.

Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 11:45 AM (Qh7KG)

212 I drive a 22 year old Ford. Not a scratch on it.
Had to replace a fan blower resistor recently.
$200 part and labor.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 26, 2022 11:45 AM (jTmQV)

213 You have a windshield?

LUXURY!!

Posted by: Cheerful Reprobate at January 26, 2022 11:45 AM (+LOvG)

214
*Remember, when Saturn started, there were a lot of concerns about the "plastic" body and durability. However, they sold well at the beginning and were popular and reasonably reliable when they stuck to their origins. Saturn started going downhill when they just became like every other car brand.
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 26, 2022 11:44 AM (a/dOO)



A General Motors product. Everything they touch turns to crap. EVERYTHING.

Go drive a Malibu or Impala. Absolute horseshit vehicles.

Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:46 AM (Zz0t1)

215 186 They named it Maverick. What the fuck were they thinking

They're saving Pinto for something really special.
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Snort.

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:46 AM (bA3Ln)

216 Well, by '75 they weren't at their best, but platform-wise it was basically an early Mustang with all the good and bad that implies.
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 11:45 AM (Qh7KG)

Wasn't the Mustang just a re-worked Falcon?

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 26, 2022 11:46 AM (H8QX8)

217 That is one ugly as monkey. Jezuz.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:46 AM (OalnH)

218 The Ford Maverick pick-up has been well received by the automobile enthusiasts for being "basic." It's similar in concept to the old Honda Ridgeline. Small cargo bed, room for 4. Cheap for a "pick up" considering a real one is easily another $15K.

Whether or not they're "junk" is another matter altogether.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 26, 2022 11:46 AM (BFigT)

219 Excellent post, Joe. I wonder what the Bikini Blonde Brigade thinks about all this.

Posted by: flounder at January 26, 2022 11:47 AM (SH2Zi)

220 189 179 This is all unacceptable. Here's an armed black girl in an olive-drab bikini to act as an *actual* palate cleanser:
https://is.gd/uQO0qZ
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

The Sam Browne Vulva.

I approve.
Posted by: JEM
---------
Fully armed and loaded for 'bare'.

Get Some!

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at January 26, 2022 11:47 AM (UqbE6)

221 American motor companies don't want to sell cars anymore. It's all trucks suvs and vans.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 11:47 AM (Q51xq)

222 A General Motors product. Everything they touch turns to crap. EVERYTHING.

Go drive a Malibu or Impala. Absolute horseshit vehicles.
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:46 AM (Zz0t1)

Not disagreeing. Saturn was successful when it was mostly walled off from GM. The more GM tinkered, the more Saturn tanked.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 26, 2022 11:47 AM (a/dOO)

223 I'm "worried" about the economy, but I'm way, way more worried about our current cultural moment where it seems like a huge swath of the population has decided they don't need to work anymore and seem to getting by just fine with that decision.

Posted by: Blago at January 26, 2022 11:48 AM (PwNLq)

224 merican motor companies don't want to sell cars anymore. It's all trucks suvs and vans.
Posted by: banana Dream

AMC is back in business, who knew!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 26, 2022 11:48 AM (d3guq)

225 The collapse in the labor participation rate is such a big unreported story. "Low unemployment rate" means nothing when the stats ignore those who have given up (or been incentivized) to quit seeking employment altogether.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at January 26, 2022 11:48 AM (d9Cw3)

226 This US Diplomat is receiving his anal swab right in the Beijing airport terminal.

https://tinyurl.com/2p9a2utt
Posted by: Capital Eff at January 26, 2022 11:36 AM (GYllL)


Looks like he's about to lift off, understandable I guess.

Posted by: WeBoned! at January 26, 2022 11:48 AM (8k7U7)

227 Chigger Jr. and I are proud owners of a 1970 2 door Maverick. Three speed manual on the column and 6 cyl. At 30 MPH I feel like I'm going 90 in my wife's toyota.

Amazing how autos have improved.

Posted by: Crouching Chigger at January 26, 2022 11:48 AM (U/Av6)

228 221 American motor companies don't want to sell cars anymore. It's all trucks suvs and vans.
Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 11:47 AM (Q51xq)

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Like that train robber said....it's where they money is. American consumers have been hoodwinked into thinking they want nothing but V8 trucks and SUVs. The truth is they've been told they want it by GM, Ford and Chrysler since a V8 truck's profit margin is waaaaaay higher than a mid-sized sedan.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM (OalnH)

229 217 That is one ugly as monkey. Jezuz.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:46 AM (OalnH)


needs to be requisitioned to a Fauci experiment

Posted by: kallisto at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM (DJFLF)

230 American motor companies don't want to sell cars anymore. It's all trucks suvs and vans.
Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 11:47 AM (Q51xq)
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That's because the American public hates the tiny little vehicles companies like Ford have been forced to create in order to satisfy EPA mileage requirements. Not only that, but I believe truck platforms are exempt from mileage requirements.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM (5pTK/)

231
Wasn't the Mustang just a re-worked Falcon?
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 26, 2022 11:46 AM (H8QX8



To get the Mustang to market ahead of the game, they used parts from the Falcon in 64 1/2 and early 65 production.

But if you want to say 'because it was unibody, it's a reworked Falcon,' I guess go ahead.......The Camaro was just a reworked Mustang, remember.

Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM (Zz0t1)

232 202 "In the future you will all work for the State Leviathan, and you will like it."
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 11:43 AM

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For as long as you're useful to the State. Soylent Green, timed by age and/or disability, thereafter.

Posted by: Lola at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM (xjz83)

233 I am still disturbed that there are nude Georgia O'Keefe jigsaw puzzles. Who is the market for these?

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM (bA3Ln)

234 Ford has spent the last two decades utterly screwing up its branding.

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I couldn't believe it when I started seeing some SUV/Crossovers in front of me with the iconic Mustang Pony emblem.

Jeebus, it can take decades to build a brand, and one postmodern mediocre struggle-session idea to kill it in minutes.

Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM (Q0RjU)

235 Joe Mannix, please...change up that ape pic.

It's nightmare fuel.

Posted by: kallisto, missing OM bigly at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM (DJFLF)

236 221 American motor companies don't want to sell cars anymore. It's all trucks suvs and vans.
Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 11:47 AM (Q51xq)

Don't forget electric vehicles massively subsidized by Uncle Sugar!

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM (a/dOO)

237 American motor companies don't want to sell cars anymore. It's all trucks suvs and vans.
Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 11:47 AM (Q51xq)
++++
The market dictated that, to large degrees. Trucks and SUVs are what sell well. The foreign nameplates have cars and do okay with them, but the market was a bit saturated given the preference for SUVs.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:50 AM (DU+/6)

238 Go drive a Malibu or Impala. Absolute horseshit vehicles.
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:46 AM (Zz0t1)

___

Does a Malibu or Impala exist outside of a rental fleet? Serious question. Like has anyone ever actually purchased on retail?

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:50 AM (OalnH)

239 The Pinto, I'll give you, but I had a 75 Maverick 4 door for a while. That was a decent ride.
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks
*
Well, by '75 they weren't at their best, but platform-wise it was basically an early Mustang with all the good and bad that implies.
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022


***
Both the Mustang and the Maverick were based on the long-serving and tried Falcon platform. My Maverick was a 4-door '75 with the larger 250 CID engine (about 100 hp!), A/C, power steering (but not *power* brakes), and an AM "Philco" radio. It was a metallic green (I called it "Klingon" green) inside and out, fabric and vinyl interior, with radial tires (which were fairly new as OEM then). As I said, I loved it. It even looked a little like a 4-door version of the first Mustang generation.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:50 AM (txdEq)

240 The monkey has vitiligo. Not a good look for man or ape

Posted by: kallisto, missing OM bigly at January 26, 2022 11:50 AM (DJFLF)

241 Delicious little throwback

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1U1Ue_5kq8

Posted by: Bald, Muscular Ape at January 26, 2022 11:50 AM (HKXbk)

242 >>> That's because the American public hates the tiny little vehicles companies like Ford have been forced to create in order to satisfy EPA mileage requirements. Not only that, but I believe truck platforms are exempt from mileage requirements.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM (5pTK/)

But people are buying the Japanese cars just fine. To a lesser extent German.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 11:50 AM (Q51xq)

243 236 221 American motor companies don't want to sell cars anymore. It's all trucks suvs and vans.
Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 11:47 AM (Q51xq)

Don't forget electric vehicles massively subsidized by Uncle Sugar!
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These are finance companies with an automaker attached.

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:51 AM (bA3Ln)

244 If the federal government can just print and borrow to fund itself, I say it eliminate all federal taxes and fees.

A good ole boy named Beardsly Ruml discussed this right after WW 2, he was the genius who started income witholding during the war. Prior to that, taxpayers paid quarterly or somesuch. I think he was a former Macy's department store executive who reasoned paying taxes "on time" would be a lot easier. And the government needed lots of cash, right now, to fund their war aims.

Anyhoo, in a speech right after the war he allowed that government income taxation wasn't necessary, strictly speaking. They had, after all, a printing press.

Taxation even then was viewed simply a method of control, or even punishment.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 26, 2022 11:51 AM (043pn)

245 I am still disturbed that there are nude Georgia O'Keefe jigsaw puzzles. Who is the market for these?
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM


*waves*

Posted by: Northampton, MA at January 26, 2022 11:51 AM (HhfIU)

246 Huh. Apparently FB has been taking down pictures of the trucker convoy going across Canada. Should I be surprised?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, resolved to lurking at January 26, 2022 11:51 AM (eGTCV)

247 The collapse in the labor participation rate is such a big unreported story. "Low unemployment rate" means nothing when the stats ignore those who have given up (or been incentivized) to quit seeking employment altogether.
Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at January 26, 2022 11:48 AM (d9Cw3)
++++
Yes. The participation rate had been grinding down for a decade until Trump, and he finally saw some increases for the first time in living memory.

That appears to be over. His gains are gone.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:51 AM (DU+/6)

248 I actually liked the Ford Falcon. They make sharp street rods.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 11:51 AM (o2MD2)

249 Saturn...a decent idea, almost competently executed, they were okay but the engines were rougher than comparable Toyotas etc.

What killed them was mostly internal brand politics at GM, and the utterly unbelievably stupid decisions behind the L-series.

You take existing GM Europe sedan, you spend two years reengineering what is already an aging design to take a plastic skin, you retool an existing Delaware GM plant (UAW) to build it, and you foist upon the market an adequate car that's only like five years too late.

Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 11:52 AM (Qh7KG)

250
I couldn't believe it when I started seeing some SUV/Crossovers in front of me with the iconic Mustang Pony emblem.

Jeebus, it can take decades to build a brand, and one postmodern mediocre struggle-session idea to kill it in minutes.
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM (Q0RjU)


That's the battery Mach E, which I agree, is a hideous vehicle and a significant mistake by Ford. It's an Edge, NOT a Mustang.

Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:52 AM (Zz0t1)

251 CAFE standards killed the station wagon, which is the product Americans want. This is the reason that trucks are the biggest sellers.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 26, 2022 11:52 AM (5kI0z)

252 About the only thing the Big 3 does an "okay" job on is full sized trucks and SUVs.

The rest of the stuff they just have to build to hit those CAFE numbers so they can be allowed to sell full size trucks and SUVs.

That's part of the reason why an Escalade is now like $100k. They have to make up for the loss leader Malibu or Spark.

I left the Big 3 a long time ago for Toyota/Lexus. I just couldn't believe the difference in quality.

Posted by: Blago at January 26, 2022 11:52 AM (PwNLq)

253 Global Oil Benchmark Top $90 For The First Time Since 2014

Posted by: SMOD at January 26, 2022 11:52 AM (RHGPo)

254 >>> I am still disturbed that there are nude Georgia O'Keefe jigsaw puzzles. Who is the market for these?
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:49 AM (bA3Ln)


Rule 34

Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 11:52 AM (Q51xq)

255 251 CAFE standards killed the station wagon, which is the product Americans want. This is the reason that trucks are the biggest sellers.
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The condition of roads has a lot to do with it and mom's seem to like to drive MRAPs.

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:53 AM (bA3Ln)

256 From every review and comment I can find on the internets, the Maverick is a hell of a bargain at just over $20k.

Ford actually listening to their customers and producing a truck that fits the need for the VAST majority of suburban pickup truck buyers is amazing. Most people who "need a truck" need to haul 20 bags of mulch twice a year, or take something to the dump, or any other light homeowner duty you can think of. For that, there's zero need to buy an F-150 or Silverado for $70k other than to measure off with your buddy down the street.

Posted by: ballistic at January 26, 2022 11:53 AM (oXNqT)

257 A good ole boy named Beardsly Ruml discussed this right after WW 2, he was the genius who started income witholding during the war. Prior to that, taxpayers paid quarterly or somesuch. I think he was a former Macy's department store executive who reasoned paying taxes "on time" would be a lot easier. And the government needed lots of cash, right now, to fund their war aims.

Anyhoo, in a speech right after the war he allowed that government income taxation wasn't necessary, strictly speaking. They had, after all, a printing press.

Taxation even then was viewed simply a method of control, or even punishment.
Posted by: Common Tater at January 26, 2022 11:51 AM (043pn)

Milton Friedman also supported this, initially. What he hadn't counted on was the ability of government to increase tax rates since most people wouldn't notice only a little bit more gone each paycheck. This became one of his few regrets in economics.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 26, 2022 11:53 AM (a/dOO)

258 What made Honda and Toyota succesfull was keeping it simple. You had a small car (Civic/Corolla) and a big car (Accord/Camry). And then a small SUV and big SUV, small truck and big truck. Honda doesn't really have trucks, but the ridgeline was their kinda truck.

Then you have GM which has 37 different models of every type of car, truck and suv. It is such a waste of money to keep separate brands like that with separate ad campaigns. And consumers have no clue what any of them are. They all get lost in the crowd.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:54 AM (OalnH)

259 I'm looking thru Ford's website on the Maverick, 'building' my own. Tires AND Wheels AND Seats are included in the price, they tell me! Man, this is a deal.

It doesn't interest me at all, but it's a good base price. I loaded the configurator up with as many options as I could and got a $36,000 package.

Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022 11:54 AM (1vynn)

260 ___

Does a Malibu or Impala exist outside of a rental fleet? Serious question. Like has anyone ever actually purchased on retail?
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:50 AM (OalnH)



I say the same about Buick. But, you do see those on the road, occasionally.

Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:54 AM (Zz0t1)

261 CAFE standards killed the station wagon, which is the product Americans want. This is the reason that trucks are the biggest sellers.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 26, 2022 11:52 AM (5kI0z)
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Minivans were far more instrumental in the death of the station wagon than CAFE standards were. They haul people and goods better, they have a flat floor, they drive and ride well. Minivans destroyed the wagon market.

This is why Ford refused to build a minivan. They ruled the wagon market and saw the cannibalization potential. The engineers - Ford engineers - who designed it went to Chrysler and Chrysler saw the same potential.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:54 AM (DU+/6)

262 It doesn't interest me at all, but it's a good base price. I loaded the configurator up with as many options as I could and got a $36,000 package.
Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022 11:54 AM (1vynn)

They let you order at that price and will want $10k vigg when you show up to take delivery!

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 11:55 AM (yrol0)

263 Not disagreeing. Saturn was successful when it was mostly walled off from GM. The more GM tinkered, the more Saturn tanked.

The "big idea" for Saturn was "what if we build a car the way the Japanese do?" It was a good idea but it turns out that the most important difference between Japanese car companies and American car companies is the UAW.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 11:55 AM (lzLwZ)

264 Working is for suckers.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 26, 2022 11:55 AM (EZebt)

265 For that, there's zero need to buy an F-150 or Silverado for $70k other than to measure off with your buddy down the street.
Posted by: ballistic at January 26, 2022 11:53 AM (oXNqT)

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Hey man, you never know when I may need to tow 13,000 lbs. I mean it might happen right?
- Truck buyer

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:55 AM (OalnH)

266 I say the same about Buick. But, you do see those on the road, occasionally.
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:54 AM


A friend of mine, who likes good cars, just bought a Buick SUV. She got tired of Ford's crap. Oddly enough, she really likes the Buick.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022 11:56 AM (HhfIU)

267 It was a good idea but it turns out that the most important difference between Japanese car companies and American car companies is the UAW.

You've got it half right. Big Three labor is almost as bad as Big Three management.

Posted by: Critical Thinker at January 26, 2022 11:56 AM (FBTwQ)

268 This is why Ford refused to build a minivan. They ruled the wagon market and saw the cannibalization potential. The engineers - Ford engineers - who designed it went to Chrysler and Chrysler saw the same potential.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:54 AM (DU+/6)

Plus they had the K car platform that was easy to stretch and widen without a change of front end, engine, and trans location.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 11:56 AM (yrol0)

269 I left the Big 3 a long time ago for Toyota/Lexus. I just couldn't believe the difference in quality.
Posted by: Blago at January 26, 2022


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If my Buick LaCrosse were to be totaled, I guess I'd have to go with a Toyota or Lexus to get a sedan. Buick only does SUVs now, the tiny athletic shoe with wheels Encore, the mid-sized Envision (not bad looking), and the big Enclave (must less like a pregnant whale than the 1st generation was).

Before I bought the Buick, I did test drive a couple of used Lexus ES models. They were very good -- but to me at that point, not worth the price premium over a good LaCrosse.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:56 AM (txdEq)

270 223 I'm "worried" about the economy, but I'm way, way more worried about our current cultural moment where it seems like a huge swath of the population has decided they don't need to work anymore and seem to getting by just fine with that decision.

Posted by: Blago at January 26, 2022 11:48 AM (PwNLq)

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People and governments can survive and rebuild from financial bankruptcy. But moral bankruptcy? Not so much ...

Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 11:56 AM (us2DO)

271 My Colorado has a tow limit of 5k. I cannot tow my tandem axle trailer with my tractor on it, so when I need to, I rent a bigger towing capacity.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 26, 2022 11:57 AM (o2MD2)

272 Audi, BMW, and Mercedes still build and sell the shit out of wagons in the US market.

Posted by: ballistic at January 26, 2022 11:57 AM (oXNqT)

273 I have a Ford Focus. I really like the 2.0L engine. Their clutch sucks donkey dicks.

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:57 AM (bA3Ln)

274 A friend of mine, who likes good cars, just bought a Buick SUV. She got tired of Ford's crap. Oddly enough, she really likes the Buick.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022 11:56 AM (HhfIU)

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Buick or Ford doesn't matter. It's the UAW that's the problem. Give her 2 years and she'll have the Buick too once it starts disintegrating like all UAW built pieces of shit do.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:57 AM (OalnH)

275 251 CAFE standards killed the station wagon, which is the product Americans want. This is the reason that trucks are the biggest sellers.
Posted by: Thomas Paine


I concur that CAFE is a very bad thing. But there's more to it than just that.

Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 11:57 AM (Qh7KG)

276 Awww, nice kitty! (Karen poking fingers into ugly monky's cage)

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at January 26, 2022 11:58 AM (n/szn)

277 Audi, BMW, and Mercedes still build and sell the shit out of wagons in the US market.
Posted by: ballistic at January 26, 2022 11:57 AM (oXNqT)
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And Volvo. But the total number of wagons is tiny compared to where it was before minivans displaced them and then SUVs displaced minivans and then CUVs displaced a lot of the SUVs.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 11:58 AM (DU+/6)

278
246 Huh. Apparently FB has been taking down pictures of the trucker convoy going across Canada. Should I be surprised?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, resolved to lurking at January 26, 2022 11:51 AM (eGTCV)


well then I guess FakeBook won't like this little ditty:


https://tinyurl.com/2up7yw5f

Posted by: kallisto, missing OM bigly at January 26, 2022 11:58 AM (DJFLF)

279 Hey man, you never know when I may need to tow 13,000 lbs. I mean it might happen right?
- Truck buyer
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:55 AM (OalnH)

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Never know when you're going to run across a free 32' cabin cruiser just sitting there on a trailer for the taking!

Posted by: ballistic at January 26, 2022 11:58 AM (oXNqT)

280 272 Audi, BMW, and Mercedes still build and sell the shit out of wagons in the US market.
Posted by: ballistic at January 26, 2022 11:57 AM (oXNqT)

I read there is no replacement for the E wagon when they update that car in about 3 or 4 years.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 11:59 AM (yrol0)

281 272 Audi, BMW, and Mercedes still build and sell the shit out of wagons in the US market.
Posted by: ballistic at January 26, 2022 11:57 AM (oXNqT)

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I wouldn't say the shit out of. They're a pretty niche market. Buy they do offer them, which is something. I own one myself.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:59 AM (OalnH)

282 Audi, BMW, and Mercedes still build and sell the shit out of wagons in the US market.
Posted by: ballistic at January 26, 2022 11:57 AM (oXNqT)
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I believe they pay a bribe to sell in the US, because they don't meet CAFE standards. Oops, I mean, tariff.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022 11:59 AM (5pTK/)

283 Saturn Vue Redline was about the only worthwhile thing out of that division. 2004-2007 model in particular.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 26, 2022 11:59 AM (BFigT)

284 A friend of mine, who likes good cars, just bought a Buick SUV. She got tired of Ford's crap. Oddly enough, she really likes the Buick.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2022


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I'm not surprised. Buick is an unsung gem among modern cars: 70% of the Mercedes driving experience at 50% of the price. I'm biased, since I'm on my 3rd one; stipulated. But I've driven some boring, hard-riding, or unreliable vehicles since 1976. Nothing is wrong with a Buick.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:59 AM (txdEq)

285 272 Audi, BMW, and Mercedes still build and sell the shit out of wagons in the US market.
Posted by: ballistic


They're not huge sellers in numbers, but the Merc E63 wagon still, I think, has the highest owners' average household income of any vehicle on the market.

It's what the investment banker buys his trophy wife to run the kids around in.

Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 11:59 AM (Qh7KG)

286 For that, there's zero need to buy an F-150 or Silverado for $70k other than to measure off with your buddy down the street.
Posted by: ballistic

I don't own either, but it's a modern day luxury car whereas trucks 30 years ago were more like a tractor. These were the same people that bought a big Buick or Cadillac, now they buy an F-150 with 4 doors. Has a huge backseat, plenty of power, great ride, etc.

I grew up with a family that bought station wagons (Oldsmobile) Something like a new, decked out F-150 is way, way more useful and luxurious.

Posted by: Blago at January 26, 2022 11:59 AM (PwNLq)

287 270 223 I'm "worried" about the economy, but I'm way, way more worried about our current cultural moment where it seems like a huge swath of the population has decided they don't need to work anymore and seem to getting by just fine with that decision.

Posted by: Blago

People are rational actors on things that matter to them. Given the amount of 'free' money being cast around such as the child tax credits, etc. they can make more rationally with less effort by riding the government wagon.

Not much different than a lot of government employees really.

Posted by: whig at January 26, 2022 11:59 AM (Iq9dF)

288 Flaming Skull time:

Stephen Breyer, sizing up the rotten midterms ahead, is retiring now. He wants to give Biden a shot at naming at least one SCOTUS judge.

Do your thing Mitch. Show us some value.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 12:00 PM (lMmuq)

289 Tell Joey Biden Shady Acres Retirement Home called.

His rubber sheeted bed is ready.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 26, 2022 12:00 PM (/1l9x)

290 The other thing that killed wagons is that they were victims of just godawful design through the 70's and 80's and nobody that was remotely "cool" wanted to be caught dead standing next to one, much less driving one.

Posted by: ballistic at January 26, 2022 12:00 PM (oXNqT)

291 I wouldn't say the shit out of. They're a pretty niche market. Buy they do offer them, which is something. I own one myself.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 11:59 AM (OalnH)

I ordered the E63 wagon in 2020 and sold it before taking delivery.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 12:00 PM (yrol0)

292 Breyer retiring means shit is getting real. The Senate will explode.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 12:00 PM (lMmuq)

293 288 Flaming Skull time:

Stephen Breyer, sizing up the rotten midterms ahead, is retiring now. He wants to give Biden a shot at naming at least one SCOTUS judge.

Do your thing Mitch. Show us some value.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 12:00 PM (lMmuq)

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Interesting...

Now...does Mitch use this to goose Republican fundraising by opposing the nomination? Or does he play bipartisanship?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 12:01 PM (LvTSG)

294 I rented a Ford Flex when I had to drive around my extended family. 8 plus luggage, no worries.
Too bad they discontinued it.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 26, 2022 12:01 PM (jTmQV)

295 Audi, BMW, and Mercedes still build and sell the shit out of wagons in the US market.
Posted by: ballistic at January 26, 2022
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I believe they pay a bribe to sell in the US, because they don't meet CAFE standards. Oops, I mean, tariff.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 26, 2022


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Those wagons are pretty small -- not like the giant Oldsmobile wagons that Clark Whatever bought in the [Vacation movie. The German wagons don't meet CAFE?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 12:01 PM (txdEq)

296 Minivans were far more instrumental in the death of the station wagon than CAFE standards were.


I believe minivans were classified as trucks to avoid the mileage standards.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 26, 2022 12:01 PM (5kI0z)

297 272 Audi, BMW, and Mercedes still build and sell the shit out of wagons in the US market.
Posted by: ballistic


Not really.

Mercedes is dropping wagons from the lineup.

Because they don't sell well.


Posted by: blaster at January 26, 2022 12:02 PM (9otr5)

298 I'm not surprised. Buick is an unsung gem among modern cars: 70% of the Mercedes driving experience at 50% of the price. I'm biased, since I'm on my 3rd one; stipulated. But I've driven some boring, hard-riding, or unreliable vehicles since 1976. Nothing is wrong with a Buick.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius


Uh...they're okay. And some of the most recent ones are actually nice, but from the '80s until about ten years ago they were a joke.

Buick still exists as a brand only because of the Chinese market. Buick got popular in Shanghai in the '30s, never really lost that cachet, and for the past fifteen years it's been GM's premium nameplate in China.

Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 12:02 PM (Qh7KG)

299 292 Breyer retiring means shit is getting real. The Senate will explode.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 12:00 PM (lMmuq)

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"Hey...remember when I undermined the entire Biden agenda by opposing BBB and the Voting Bill? Well, I voted in favor of Breyer's replacement, Assata Shakur. We good?"
-Sinema to her left flank

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 12:02 PM (LvTSG)

300 Schumer will obviously drag this next SCOTUS nomination across the finish line only with Kumswalla voting Yea.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 12:02 PM (lMmuq)

301 35 Oh dear, that creepy monkey again!
Posted by: Lizzy

He's a chocolate monkey, in a basket of Easter grass! Yeah, that's the ticket!

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at January 26, 2022 11:08 AM (OssQ4)

Looks like he melted a bit.

Posted by: Javems at January 26, 2022 12:02 PM (AmoqO)

302 I ordered the E63 wagon in 2020 and sold it before taking delivery.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 12:00 PM (yrol0)

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Al 50 of them? It's a niche market that sells well for its size. But as a % of all cars sold by the German Big 3, it's probably low single digits.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:02 PM (OalnH)

303 I had a 2016 ford fusion that was a pretty decent car. I liked it quite a lot. I'd still have it if a semi truck hadn't run me off the road. They had those chariot spike things installed on their front tractor wheels. The side of my car looked like you had taken a giant endmill to it. Damn near cut into the cabin. The insurance totaled it because it damaged the center column and it's a unibody car.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 12:02 PM (Q51xq)

304 The new Ford Bronco looks like a Subaru Forester on steroids. The Maverick looks like they added a bed to the Subaru Forester on steroids.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at January 26, 2022 12:02 PM (SH2Zi)

305 294 I rented a Ford Flex when I had to drive around my extended family. 8 plus luggage, no worries.
Too bad they discontinued it.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 26, 2022 12:01 PM (jTmQV)

I think that was either a volvo platform or a joint venture with Ford and Volvo.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (yrol0)

306 Minivans were far more instrumental in the death of the station wagon than CAFE standards were. They haul people and goods better, they have a flat floor, they drive and ride well. Minivans destroyed the wagon market.

This is why Ford refused to build a minivan. They ruled the wagon market and saw the cannibalization potential. The engineers - Ford engineers - who designed it went to Chrysler and Chrysler saw the same potential.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

For the sake of CAFE, minivans were classified as "trucks" ( I know, I owned one for years), and therefore fell into a different mpg category than station wagons.
And minivans are really bad in snowy weather, on icy roads. I almost wrecked our Mercury Villager many years ago on a winter drive home from relatives, which spurred me to buy a used 2001 Audi A6 (AWD) used station wagon. Which was terrific on bad roads.

Alas, it has gone to the boneyard.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Badluck Streak in Dancing School at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (vcOmj)

307 The Aussie trucker strike fizzled. Maybe the Canadian convoy will sizzle?

Posted by: kallisto, missing OM bigly at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (DJFLF)

308 Before I bought the Buick, I did test drive a couple of used Lexus ES models. They were very good -- but to me at that point, not worth the price premium over a good LaCrosse.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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I've owned 2 Lexus ES, in my opinion its the best bang for the buck out there.

It's basically the last traditional type sedan out there, basically a Japanese Cadillac. Probably the most reliable vehicle you can possibly own, huge backseat, lots of power, etc. It's also nice because it shares a lot of things with the Toyota Camry and Avalon, so very easy to repair and get parts.

I used to own a Lexus LS, that car was basically perfection, new models however have gone down a weird path.

Posted by: Blago at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (PwNLq)

309 That's the battery Mach E, which I agree, is a hideous vehicle and a significant mistake by Ford. It's an Edge, NOT a Mustang.

Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 11:52 AM (Zz0t1)

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Ah, thanks for the correction, Sponge.

Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (IzxvC)

310 When I was looking at BMWs in late '18 and early '19, I'd have considered a 3 Series wagon if I'd run across one. They were scarcer than Democrats at a Trump rally.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (txdEq)

311 Breyer retiring? Fasten your seatbelts.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (4I/2K)

312 Never know when you're going to run across a free 32' cabin cruiser just sitting there on a trailer for the taking!

But the commercials show all these manly men wearing plaid hauling construction equipment and pulling downed trees off of dirt roads. You definitely need heated leather seats and Dolby surround sound for that, right?

Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (lzLwZ)

313 300 Schumer will obviously drag this next SCOTUS nomination across the finish line only with Kumswalla voting Yea.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 12:02 PM (lMmuq)

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I don't think he'll need Kamala.

Mitch probably will feign opposition without actually whipping Romney, Collins, and Murkowski who will vote, at least two of them, in favor of whomever Biden nominates.

This will also allow Manchin to vote against the nominee to secure his next re-election in a couple of years.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (LvTSG)

314 Ford Bronco Raptor is coming. Thing appears massive.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (BFigT)

315 Eh. Breyer is out some other hard leftist is in. It makes no difference. But it will give the chattering classes something to pontificate about for the next 3 months.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (OalnH)

316 b) Ford has spent the last two decades utterly screwing up its branding. Taurus owned the market for a decade then they screwed up with the '96 model so...out the window the name goes. They do this routinely, throw out names, resurrect old ones, etc. Toyota doesn't do this. Honda doesn't do this. But Ford dies.
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 11:37 AM (Qh7KG)

IMHO Toyota just did this with their Supra. Way to kill a legendary brand.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (Hh3y4)

317 Al 50 of them? It's a niche market that sells well for its size. But as a % of all cars sold by the German Big 3, it's probably low single digits.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:02 PM (OalnH)

In 2020 I think they built about 1200 with about half for USA.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (yrol0)

318 315 Eh. Breyer is out some other hard leftist is in. It makes no difference. But it will give the chattering classes something to pontificate about for the next 3 months.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (OalnH)

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The fundraising emails are going to be off the fucking chain.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (LvTSG)

319 Dear Mitch, thousand bucks to your campaign to keep the seat vacant until the midterms.

Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (Qh7KG)

320 Breyer retiring means shit is getting real. The Senate will explode.

Whether you need me as Vice President or on the Supreme Court, Joe, I'm ready!

Posted by: HRC at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (vOGqy)

321 But the commercials show all these manly men wearing plaid hauling construction equipment and pulling downed trees off of dirt roads. You definitely need heated leather seats and Dolby surround sound for that, right?
Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (lzLwZ)

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And 8 cameras!!

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (OalnH)

322 Breyer is retiring at the end of this term.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (ZLI7S)

323 Nice monkey Joe. OM is smiling.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (4vwUh)

324 American motor companies don't want to sell cars anymore. It's all trucks suvs and vans.
Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 11:47 AM (Q51xq)

Don't forget electric vehicles massively subsidized by Uncle Sugar!
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These are finance companies with an automaker attached.
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:51 AM (bA3Ln)



They are a pension company that does auto financing.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (yQpMk)

325 319 Dear Mitch, thousand bucks to your campaign to keep the seat vacant until the midterms.
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (Qh7KG)

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Yeah...don't think he doesn't know that the Republican base will shower him with money to fight this. There will be a public display.

It won't mean anything, but he fought.

Don't give him anything.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (LvTSG)

326 *Remember, when Saturn started, there were a lot of concerns about the "plastic" body and durability. However, they sold well at the beginning and were popular and reasonably reliable when they stuck to their origins. Saturn started going downhill when they just became like every other car brand.
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 26, 2022 11:44 AM (a/dOO)

Started off non-union so you know they had to die. Good cars from what I've seen.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (Hh3y4)

327 From every review and comment I can find on the internets, the Maverick is a hell of a bargain at just over $20k.

Ford actually listening to their customers and producing a truck that fits the need for the VAST majority of suburban pickup truck buyers is amazing. Most people who "need a truck" need to haul 20 bags of mulch twice a year, or take something to the dump, or any other light homeowner duty you can think of. For that, there's zero need to buy an F-150 or Silverado for $70k other than to measure off with your buddy down the street.
Posted by: ballistic at January 26, 2022 11:53 AM (oXNqT)


I'll hold judgement on the Maverick (why, oh why bring that name back?) until they've been on the road for a couple of years. Right now, the price in the SF Bay Area for one is over $40k. I'd rather spend $25k on a used Tacoma that will last me the rest of my life. But, it'd be awesome if Ford could actually build a low priced ride that could compete.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (wAnMi)

328 Uhm you guys realize Mitch has absolutely no say on the scotus vote right?

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (OalnH)

329 I rented a Ford Flex when I had to drive around my extended family. 8 plus luggage, no worries.
Too bad they discontinued it.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 26, 2022 12:01 PM (jTmQV)
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That is too bad. I like the Flex. I also think it's cool. It shouldn't be - it's just a box on wheels - but for me it has some kind of "X-Factor."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (DU+/6)

330 But remember, Roberts told us that SC justices aren't Democrat or Republican.

Breyer retiring with a Dem controlled Senate and White House is pure coincidence.

Posted by: Blago at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (PwNLq)

331 Breyer retiring? Fasten your seatbelts.
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2022 12:03 PM (4I/2K)
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Rubber meets the road here, and "bipartisanship" dies. Unless you are from Maine, Alaska or Utah. In those cases, it is joyfully alive and well.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (lMmuq)

332 The fundraising emails are going to be off the fucking chain.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (LvTSG)

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Yyyyyyep

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (OalnH)

333 328 Uhm you guys realize Mitch has absolutely no say on the scotus vote right?
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (OalnH)

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In a 50/50 senate with Manchin having just increased his stature in WV by opposing Biden, there's a very real chance that Mitch is the effective majority leader in the Senate now.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (LvTSG)

334 I wish Thomas had retired in 2017 or 2018. Trump could have replaced him with a 40 year old.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:06 PM (OalnH)

335 I rented a Ford Flex when I had to drive around my extended family. 8 plus luggage, no worries.
Too bad they discontinued it.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 26, 2022 12:01 PM (jTmQV)
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That is too bad. I like the Flex. I also think it's cool. It shouldn't be - it's just a box on wheels - but for me it has some kind of "X-Factor."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Those were great, also rented one and thought seriously about buying it. Just not crazy about Ford quality, had several bad experiences.

Posted by: Blago at January 26, 2022 12:06 PM (PwNLq)

336 Fuckety fuck. Justice Stephen Breyer is retiring.

Gah.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (ptqGC)

337 Breyer retiring means shit is getting real. The Senate will explode.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 26, 2022 12:00 PM


Now, now...that won't be happening.

Posted by: Romney, Murkowski, Collins, et al at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (HhfIU)

338 Breyer is retiring at the end of this term.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (ZLI7S)

Which is when, Sept 30?

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (4I/2K)

339 In a 50/50 senate with Manchin having just increased his stature in WV by opposing Biden, there's a very real chance that Mitch is the effective majority leader in the Senate now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (LvTSG)

____

Manchin's gonna play ball. Unless the nominee is Karl Marx's ghost, he - and Sinemma - are a yes.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (OalnH)

340 >> I wish Thomas had retired in 2017 or 2018. Trump could have replaced him with a 40 year old.

I don't.

And he can replace him in 3 years.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (ZLI7S)

341 Schumer will obviously drag this next SCOTUS nomination across the finish line only with Kumswalla voting Yea

*waves*

Posted by: Mitt and the Coke Bear at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (lzLwZ)

342 336 Fuckety fuck. Justice Stephen Breyer is retiring.

Gah.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (ptqGC)

=========

Let's put it this way:

With how Biden's administration is being run, his first choice nomination is going to be HILARIOUS.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (LvTSG)

343 Started off non-union so you know they had to die. Good cars from what I've seen.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (Hh3y4)

But the cult membership was a bit much if all you wanted was a cheap, reliable car.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (SH2Zi)

344 Mooch is rested and ready.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (ptqGC)

345 I wish Thomas had retired in 2017 or 2018. Trump could have replaced him with a 40 year old.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant

Huge fuck up imo.

I was also beating that drum.

I love Thomas, but you have to know your time on this Earth is not infinite. Someone not willing to let go of power for the broader good is a terrible quality.

Posted by: Blago at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (PwNLq)

346 https://tinyurl.com/ycks4czv

My phone seems to be having a nervous breakdown, so I hope this work. Link should go to report on Canadians cheering truckers protesting the jab. If it doesn't work you can find it on website for Iowntheworld report.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (LyJkw)

347 Uh...they're okay. And some of the most recent ones are actually nice, but from the '80s until about ten years ago they were a joke.

Buick still exists as a brand only because of the Chinese market. Buick got popular in Shanghai in the '30s, never really lost that cachet, and for the past fifteen years it's been GM's premium nameplate in China.
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022


***
For a long time in the '90s and up until about 2010, the entry level models like the Century, LeSabre, and Regal were kind of dull, true. The big Park Avenue was a grand car; I had an '03 that was kitted out with some extra features, and it was a delight to drive. You have to remember that I live in a dump with some of the worst roads in America. A smooth soft ride is something to value.

The PA was also vastly cheaper to feed, maintain, and insure than the used Mercedes I'd had up to that time.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (txdEq)

348 Where do you see the headlines about Breyer retiring? I don't see any on the news sites or SCOTUS blog.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (a/dOO)

349 So all this wagon talk made me check Bring A Trailer. There's a very slick '95 BMW 328 Touring, with a manual, up for auction. Current bid ... $12,000. Yeeesh.

Posted by: spindrift at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (h5TKJ)

350 324 American motor companies don't want to sell cars anymore. It's all trucks suvs and vans.
Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 11:47 AM (Q51xq)

Don't forget electric vehicles massively subsidized by Uncle Sugar!
-------------------
These are finance companies with an automaker attached.
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 26, 2022 11:51 AM (bA3Ln)


They are a pension company that does auto financing.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 26, 2022 12:04 PM (yQpMk)

When Obama bankrupted GMC he had several tricks up his sleeve. 1) He gave the company to the shareholders. b) He gave the first in line bondholder a big shit sammich. iii) He got Ally to buy GMAC and when they failed the Fed Test he gave them bailout funds.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (yrol0)

351 399
Manchin's gonna play ball. Unless the nominee is Karl Marx's ghost, he - and Sinemma - are a yes.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (OalnH)

==========

Bare minimum, he's gonna put on a show. Plus, he's still bitchy towards Schumer and Biden considering how they've treated him for the last few months.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (LvTSG)

352 This is cute/funny:

a THOT rides the worldwide anti-jab mandate bandwagon:

https://tinyurl.com/3a4dmeut

Posted by: kallisto, missing OM bigly at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (DJFLF)

353 And even if Manchin is a no, you know very well there will be a Gang of X that votes yes. Mittens, Murkowski, Sasse, the usual suspects.

This is all theater. Biden will get his nominee in.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (OalnH)

354 Imagine a Justice Barry Obama or Mooch.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (ptqGC)

355 Breyer retiring means the Dems (and Breyer) think they will lose the Senate in the fall.

Posted by: Revenant at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (cOGHc)

356 Started off non-union so you know they had to die. Good cars from what I've seen.
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (Hh3y4)

Saturn was union before they hired (assembly) employee 1.

Posted by: Fox2! at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (qyH+l)

357 LOL @ Jesse Kelly:
"Whoever Biden wants to replace him raped me in high school. I don't remember where. Don't ask me to come back to DC. I'm afraid to fly."

Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 26, 2022 12:09 PM (HmZuC)

358 Thomas needs to hang on as long as Ginsburg did, or longer

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 12:09 PM (lCui1)

359 I wish Thomas had retired in 2017 or 2018. Trump could have replaced him with a 40 year old.

He's a national treasure. I want to see him presiding over some trial against Biden (among many, many others).

Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022 12:09 PM (vOGqy)

360 >>> I wish Thomas had retired in 2017 or 2018. Trump could have replaced him with a 40 year old.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:06 PM (OalnH)


With another federalist society boof or ACB clone. I don't know how you get a replacement for Thomas unless Thomas has some ideas of who.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 12:09 PM (Q51xq)

361 344 Mooch is rested and ready.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (ptqGC)

She could not handle the Senate hearings.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 12:09 PM (yrol0)

362 353 And even if Manchin is a no, you know very well there will be a Gang of X that votes yes. Mittens, Murkowski, Sasse, the usual suspects.

This is all theater. Biden will get his nominee in.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (OalnH)

==========

I don't disagree. Unless Mitch wants to stop this. Not likely, but he can keep the caucus in line when he wants to.

It's gonna be such a show, and Mitch is going to be in complete control.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 12:09 PM (LvTSG)

363 Let's put it this way:

With how Biden's administration is being run, his first choice nomination is going to be HILARIOUS.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,


Either a Rosanne Roseannadanna or an Emily Littela.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 12:09 PM (uXonU)

364 Quebec announces that the unvaxed are not allowed inside of large stores unless accompanied by a Health Warden that will monitor them so they do not purchase anything except for food and medicine.
(seen on a tweet)

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 12:09 PM (lCui1)

365 They are a pension company that does auto financing.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

My late uncle had a tool and die business, and he did tool- making for the Big Three. He dealt with Ford, Chrysler and GM all the time.

30 years ago, that is just about what he said about GM, word for word. Yet he did buy a new Cadillac just about every year.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Badluck Streak in Dancing School at January 26, 2022 12:10 PM (vcOmj)

366 Read yesterday the continued trial of the St George police the judge is 85 yo

Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 26, 2022 12:10 PM (O7mKc)

367 Justice Chinless Holder

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 26, 2022 12:10 PM (ptqGC)

368 Beep Beep Beep

Posted by: RBG Star Wars Wheelchair at January 26, 2022 12:10 PM (yrol0)

369 Labor force participation at about 62% sounds sort of low, then you start thinking about what sort of jobs get counted in that number and it feels like maybe it needs to be much, much lower.

"Assistant Associate Dean of Equity and Inclusion" at Ferris Bueller State College, that's labor force participation. CNN Reliable Sources Anchor, that's labor force participation too. The Directors of HR actively gumming up the works at every Fortune 500 corporation, also labor force participation.

Posted by: Match Checksout at January 26, 2022 12:10 PM (dYe5S)

370 In my unscientific observations, Pickup Trucks are the only vehicle left designed and owned mostly by men. All SUVs, crossovers, sedans, coupes, etc. seem to me to be marketed to and driven by women.

Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 12:10 PM (gmo/4)

371 Not seeing news of the Canada Trucker Convoy... did it run out of gas?

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 26, 2022 12:10 PM (oHd/0)

372 >>Which is when, Sept 30?

Not sure what the exact term ending date is but the SC new term always starts on Oct 1.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 26, 2022 12:10 PM (ZLI7S)

373 Here comes Garland!

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 12:11 PM (yrol0)

374 355 Breyer retiring means the Dems (and Breyer) think they will lose the Senate in the fall.
Posted by: Revenant at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (cOGHc)

___

That's a given isn't it? Not much mystery to it.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:11 PM (OalnH)

375 Not seeing news of the Canada Trucker Convoy... did it run out of gas?
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 26, 2022 12:10 PM (oHd/0)



The revolution will NOT be televised.

Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 12:11 PM (Zz0t1)

376 If Biden's choice is anything like the others, I believe we're going to see first outright communist nominated to the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 26, 2022 12:11 PM (HmZuC)

377 286 For that, there's zero need to buy an F-150 or Silverado for $70k other than to measure off with your buddy down the street.
Posted by: ballistic

I don't own either, but it's a modern day luxury car whereas trucks 30 years ago were more like a tractor. These were the same people that bought a big Buick or Cadillac, now they buy an F-150 with 4 doors. Has a huge backseat, plenty of power, great ride, etc.

I grew up with a family that bought station wagons (Oldsmobile) Something like a new, decked out F-150 is way, way more useful and luxurious.
Posted by: Blago at January 26, 2022 11:59 AM (PwNLq)


It's entirely possible to be driving around in a truck with a nice, well kept, comfortable interior and a dirty, scarred up bed.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at January 26, 2022 12:11 PM (8C7+r)

378 Stephen Breyer, sizing up the rotten midterms ahead, is retiring now. He wants to give Biden a shot at naming at least one SCOTUS judge.

---------

BREAKING: Morloch Garland to continue as Attorney General while serving in a dual capacity as the future Chief justice of the Supreme Court. Developing ...

Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 12:11 PM (0ByDo)

379 340 >> I wish Thomas had retired in 2017 or 2018. Trump could have replaced him with a 40 year old.

I don't.

And he can replace him in 3 years.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 26, 2022 12:07 PM (ZLI7S)

Who could Trump have replaced Thomas with? With Gorsuch, Barrett and Kavanaugh as Trump picks, can you seriously believe that a 40-year old pick would approach Thomas' quality? The Federalist Society wasn't powerful enough to endorse Thomas at his confirmation IIRC, and looking at what they've done lately, I don't think they would have if they had the chance.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 26, 2022 12:11 PM (qma9m)

380 ***
Both the Mustang and the Maverick were based on the long-serving and tried Falcon platform. My Maverick was a 4-door '75 with the larger 250 CID engine (about 100 hp!), A/C, power steering (but not *power* brakes), and an AM "Philco" radio. It was a metallic green (I called it "Klingon" green) inside and out, fabric and vinyl interior, with radial tires (which were fairly new as OEM then). As I said, I loved it. It even looked a little like a 4-door version of the first Mustang generation.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:50 AM (txdEq)

The Mavericks with the 351C and four speed were probably the most potent sleepers I've ever seen on the street. EVERYONE assumed these things all had six cylinder engines.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (Hh3y4)

381 I wish Thomas had retired in 2017 or 2018. Trump could have replaced him with a 40 year old.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant

Huge fuck up imo.
I was also beating that drum.

I love Thomas, but you have to know your time on this Earth is not infinite. Someone not willing to let go of power for the broader good is a terrible quality.
Posted by: Blago

And we would have gotten Amy Coney Barrett sooner.
Yay us!! Whooppee!!!

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Badluck Streak in Dancing School at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (vcOmj)

382 They do this routinely, throw out names, resurrect old ones, etc. Toyota doesn't do this. Honda doesn't do this. But Ford dies.
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2022 11:37 AM (Qh7KG)


Toyota isn't infallible in that regard. One thing that irks me is calling that electric POS a Mustang (Mach-E). Seriously? And I guess they assume nobody remembers the Maverick, so they're resurrected that name. What next, Pinto? Guess Chevy will have a new Vega. The all time greatest marketing fail goes to Infiniti. They had a perfectly good nomenclature with model type (M, Q, I, etc.) and engine displacement (3, 3.7, 2.5...). Then some idiot did a survey that most people recognized "Q" (their original flagship) so they named all their GD cars "Q" something. So, a Q50 is a model, but you don't know what type of engine. From top to bottom, they're all Q. Isn't that the job of the marque's name?

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (wAnMi)

383 Not seeing news of the Canada Trucker Convoy... did it run out of gas?
Posted by: Romeo13


Censored. And there is an Aussie one in response to the Canadian one.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (uXonU)

384 Imagine a Justice Barry Obama or Mooch.

Isn't it Loretta Lynch's "turn"? Stacey Abrams, Kamala, AOC...they have so many talented options.

Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (DMQdU)

385 Pelosi is running for reelection.

Dynasty. And no one is going to get their hands on HER offspring either.

Posted by: Lola at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (xjz83)

386 370 In my unscientific observations, Pickup Trucks are the only vehicle left designed and owned mostly by men. All SUVs, crossovers, sedans, coupes, etc. seem to me to be marketed to and driven by women.
Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 12:10 PM (gmo/4)

If you do not know a guy with a pickup truck youre the guy with the manbun every guy with trucks hate!

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (yrol0)

387 "Assistant Associate Dean of Equity and Inclusion" at Ferris Bueller State College, that's labor force participation. CNN Reliable Sources Anchor, that's labor force participation too. The Directors of HR actively gumming up the works at every Fortune 500 corporation, also labor force participation.
Posted by: Match Checksout at January 26, 2022 12:10 PM (dYe5S)
++++
It is, but it's also actual employment. It isn't productive employment, but it's employment. They are counted in the total employment figure. Labor force participation will exceed total employment unless you are at 100% full employment with no one out of work who would rather be working.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (DU+/6)

388 370 In my unscientific observations, Pickup Trucks are the only vehicle left designed and owned mostly by men. All SUVs, crossovers, sedans, coupes, etc. seem to me to be marketed to and driven by women.
Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 12:10 PM (gmo/4)

I only see Men driving Corvettes.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (oHd/0)

389 The show runners could convince Harris to take the SCOTUS slot and that'd resolve a bunch of issues for the Democrats.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (BFigT)

390 Breyer's replacement gets 9 Republican votes. Minimum.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was 29, assuming the nominee isn't Hillary.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) predicts at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (yQpMk)

391 Breyer's retirement means they have no expectation of winning anything in the near term.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 26, 2022 12:13 PM (jUhyx)

392 Anyone Biden nominates will go in WITHOUT QUESTION because the Republicans suck donkey dick.

The wise Latina and the Lickalotapus where in NO WAY qualified to be on the bench, but our side asked 3 questions then voted to confirm.

We're fucked because there IS no conservative representation in Washington.

Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 12:13 PM (Zz0t1)

393 I'm glad Thomas is still there. He's the only one worth a shit. Didn't need another Boofer replacing Thomas of all people.

Posted by: ... at January 26, 2022 12:13 PM (ht815)

394 Biden has to nominate a black tranny to SCOTUS or the Left riots

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 12:13 PM (lCui1)

395 With another federalist society boof or ACB clone. I don't know how you get a replacement for Thomas unless Thomas has some ideas of who.
Posted by: banana Dream at January 26, 2022 12:09 PM (Q51xq)

___

That's a valid point. But once you get into your 70s like Thomas, you're gambling bigly. He could easily die on Biden's watch. And I'd much rather have a guaranteed Gorsuch than risk a Biden appointee, all else being equal.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:13 PM (OalnH)

396 I'm convinced that the only reason Pelosi is running is to keep herself, maybe hubby and Jr., out of jail.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 26, 2022 12:14 PM (jTmQV)

397 It is, but it's also actual employment. It isn't productive employment, but it's employment. They are counted in the total employment figure. Labor force participation will exceed total employment unless you are at 100% full employment with no one out of work who would rather be working.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (DU+/6)

Labor force participation is down for a simple reason. You can't rely on your kids school to be open. Many Mother's who were in the workforce, are now out, some permanently.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 26, 2022 12:14 PM (oHd/0)

398 Like Big Mike or Bathouse Barry would even get close to anything that looks like a job.

Posted by: klaftern at January 26, 2022 12:14 PM (taPSh)

399 Cereal question because it comes up here a fair bit: Where do we get the idea that the Mooch has the slightest interest in public office? I just don't see it.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at January 26, 2022 12:14 PM (dfRN6)

400 389 The show runners could convince Harris to take the SCOTUS slot and that'd resolve a bunch of issues for the Democrats.
Posted by: Martini Farmer

Judge Cackle

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 12:14 PM (lCui1)

401 I only see Men driving Corvettes.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (oHd/0)

1. I said unscientific
2. usually old men

Posted by: Archer at January 26, 2022 12:14 PM (gmo/4)

402 BREAKING: Morloch Garland to continue as Attorney General while serving in a dual capacity as the future Chief justice of the Supreme Court. Developing ...
Posted by: ShainS

I could absolutely see this.
But sure, Garland is such a superb AG, that Biden would want him on the Supreme Court. We now know just what kind of guy he is.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Badluck Streak in Dancing School at January 26, 2022 12:14 PM (vcOmj)

403 wish Thomas had retired in 2017 or 2018. Trump could have replaced him with a 40 year old.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant

Huge fuck up imo.

I was also beating that drum.

I love Thomas, but you have to know your time on this Earth is not infinite. Someone not willing to let go of power for the broader good is a terrible quality.
Posted by: Blago at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (PwNLq)

Yeah we could have gotten another Kavanaugh, Barrett or Gorsuck. Thomas along with Alito is the only thing saving us from complete destruction. If we had a different make up of the court and a different atmosphere I would agree that would be a good strategy. Now it would be like the Patriots letting Tom Brady go.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 26, 2022 12:14 PM (Ik+Dg)

404 376 If Biden's choice is anything like the others, I believe we're going to see first outright communist nominated to the Supreme Court.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 26, 2022 12:11 PM (HmZuC)

The nominee will get the votes of Manchin and Sinema, with no problem.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 26, 2022 12:14 PM (qma9m)

405 Started off non-union so you know they had to die. Good cars from what I've seen.
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at January 26, 2022 12:05 PM (Hh3y4)

Saturn was union before they hired (assembly) employee 1.
Posted by: Fox2! at January 26, 2022 12:08 PM (qyH+l)

? All the advertising and word of mouth at the time indicated they were non-union and the UAW was pissed. Honestly, what you are saying could be true. Just recalling what I read at the time.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at January 26, 2022 12:14 PM (Hh3y4)

406 I only see Men driving Corvettes.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (oHd/0)

The last 2 or 3 people I have seen driving C8s are women!

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 12:15 PM (yrol0)

407 364 Quebec announces that the unvaxed are not allowed inside of large stores unless accompanied by a Health Warden that will monitor them so they do not purchase anything except for food and medicine.
(seen on a tweet)
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 12:09 PM (lCui1)

Does purchasing a towel or a blender somehow make them a greater vector for spreading the disease and food and medicine doesn't? That's a freaking intelligent virus that can differentiate between types of goods purchased as to when and where it can strike in a store.

Posted by: Moki at January 26, 2022 12:15 PM (JrN/x)

408 We're fucked because there IS no conservative representation in Washington.
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 12:13 PM (Zz0t1)

___

How dare you?
- Severely Conservative Senator Mittens McRomney

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:15 PM (OalnH)

409 Labor force participation is down for a simple reason. You can't rely on your kids school to be open. Many Mother's who were in the workforce, are now out, some permanently.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 26, 2022 12:14 PM (oHd/0)
++++
That is absolutely a factor and we don't know how big that group is. In this case, reduced participation may be a net benefit all things considered. Women deciding to stay home and raise and teach the kids and make do with less money (which usually isn't even a lot less once the costs of childcare are taken into account and out of her paycheck) is not a bad thing - though it will reduce the participation rate.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 12:15 PM (DU+/6)

410 >>Who could Trump have replaced Thomas with? With Gorsuch, Barrett and Kavanaugh as Trump picks, can you seriously believe that a 40-year old pick would approach Thomas' quality? The Federalist Society wasn't powerful enough to endorse Thomas at his confirmation IIRC, and looking at what they've done lately, I don't think they would have if they had the chance.

As I said, I'm glad Thomas didn't retire during Trump's first term. He's by far my favorite justice but he's been hinting at retirement for years.

I think Trump has learned a few things from his first time in the barrel and the non-stop lawsuits his family has been facing for going on 6 years. Pain is a good teacher.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 26, 2022 12:15 PM (ZLI7S)

411 If we ever get a good POTUS back, I'd like to see Roberts retire
Maybe from myocarditis or something

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 12:16 PM (lCui1)

412 You can find news about the Canadian Trucker convoy at rebel news.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 26, 2022 12:16 PM (LyJkw)

413 Breyer's replacement gets 9 Republican votes. Minimum.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was 29, assuming the nominee isn't Hillary.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) predicts at January 26, 2022 12:12 PM (yQpMk)

I'll vote how the WEF instructs me to vote.

Posted by: Dan Crenshaw at January 26, 2022 12:16 PM (4I/2K)

414 Breyer is retiring at the end of the term which means roughly June, July time period.

The fight among the Dems will be whether to nominate a hard left or a center left in the Biden junta and whether the it will be a POC.

The Republicans, as usual, will have little or nothing to say about whatever the Dems end up nominating.

Posted by: whig at January 26, 2022 12:16 PM (Iq9dF)

415 Trump could have replaced him with a 40 year old.

I'd be more in favor of 60-year-olds. Established track records and the knowledge that you'll have to prove yourself over many years to get your shot at the Supreme Court.

Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2022 12:16 PM (ELgVT)

416 394 Biden has to nominate a black tranny to SCOTUS or the Left riots
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 12:13 PM (lCui1)

Barack Obama.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 26, 2022 12:16 PM (qma9m)

417 If you do not know a guy with a pickup truck youre the guy with the manbun every guy with trucks hate!
Posted by: rhennigantx

Most of my neighbors have at least one pickup truck. Some have two or three. My next door neighbor had a big garage built so he could restore them.

I feel left out. I should look for a used one that I can park on the apron, just so I fit into my neighborhood.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Badluck Streak in Dancing School at January 26, 2022 12:16 PM (vcOmj)

418 >>>It is, but it's also actual employment. It isn't productive employment, but it's employment. They are counted in the total employment figure. Labor force participation will exceed total employment unless you are at 100% full employment with no one out of work who would rather be working.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

I get it, I'm suggesting a deep recession/depression to clean out deadwood jobs might not be a bad idea. Not suggesting revamping the calculation.

Posted by: Match Checksout at January 26, 2022 12:16 PM (dYe5S)

419 The last 2 or 3 people I have seen driving C8s are women!
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 12:15 PM (yrol0)

That new Vette is cool. A younger me would have had trouble not getting one.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 12:17 PM (Y5qcH)

420 JFC peeps, all 3 of Trump's picks voted to kill the vax mandate. Are they perfect? No. Are they all 100000X better than any future Biden pick? Fuck yeah.

Some of you will never be happy with anything short of perfect.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:17 PM (OalnH)

421 Barack Obama.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 26, 2022 12:16 PM (qma9m)

As my Mom would say he is say lazy would not hit a lick at a snake!

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 26, 2022 12:17 PM (yrol0)

422 I get it, I'm suggesting a deep recession/depression to clean out deadwood jobs might not be a bad idea. Not suggesting revamping the calculation.
Posted by: Match Checksout at January 26, 2022 12:16 PM (dYe5S)
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Ah yes. 100% unemployment in HR and affiliated industries would be a net benefit despite the economic dislocation.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 12:17 PM (DU+/6)

423
That new Vette is cool. A younger me would have had trouble not getting one.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 12:17 PM (Y5qcH)


The front end looks like a Ferrari, the side looks like a Lamborghini and the rear end looks like, well......

GM hasn't had an original thought in 70 years.

Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)

424 Corvettes for me ar one of those things that in theory is kinda cool, but I'd never be caught dead in one. My vision of a 'Vette owner is the 52 year old in a Hawaiian shirts hitting on 22 year old college students.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:18 PM (OalnH)

425 Barack Obama.
Posted by: Darrell Harris

Heh

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 12:18 PM (lCui1)

426 >>Some of you will never be happy with anything short of perfect.

You must be new here.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 26, 2022 12:18 PM (ZLI7S)

427
Some of you will never be happy with anything short of perfect.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:17 PM (OalnH)



Most would just settle for the bill of goods they were SOLD.......

Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)

428 GM hasn't had an original thought in 70 years.
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)

I don't need originality on probably the highest level of performance I could possibly afford.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 12:19 PM (Y5qcH)

429 That new Vette is cool. A younger me would have had trouble not getting one.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 12:17 PM (Y5qcH)
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The 'Vette, makes 'em wet!

Posted by: Simon at January 26, 2022 12:19 PM (DU+/6)

430 Thanks, Joe Mannix. I appreciate this thread and the work that went into it.

Posted by: Moki at January 26, 2022 12:19 PM (JrN/x)

431 376 If Biden's choice is anything like the others, I believe we're going to see first outright communist nominated to the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 26, 2022 12:11 PM (HmZuC)

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Van Jones is tanned, rested, and ready!

Out: Ginsberg's loyalty and fidelity to the "superior" South African Constitution.
In: Jones' loyalty and fidelity to the "superior* Little Red Book.

Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at January 26, 2022 12:20 PM (MdxTu)

432 Breyer's date of birth is the same as Maxine Waters.

Is that nasty thing retiring, too?

Posted by: Lola at January 26, 2022 12:20 PM (xjz83)

433 If you do not know a guy with a pickup truck youre the guy with the manbun every guy with trucks hate!
Posted by: rhennigantx

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Up until 10 years ago I had never been inside a pickup, let alone knew anyone who owned one. Then I moved to the sticks and things....changed, lol. I own one now as well.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:20 PM (OalnH)

434 Thanks, Joe Mannix. I appreciate this thread and the work that went into it.
Posted by: Moki


Ditto. It must have been a bear formatting all those columns to look right in the blog software layout.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Badluck Streak in Dancing School at January 26, 2022 12:21 PM (vcOmj)

435 I want older justices who have had time to see the results of judicial meddling. And to limit their damage. We are going to be stuck with that child-trafficer Roberts for four decades.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 26, 2022 12:21 PM (yQpMk)

436 424 Corvettes for me ar one of those things that in theory is kinda cool, but I'd never be caught dead in one. My vision of a 'Vette owner is the 52 year old in a Hawaiian shirts hitting on 22 year old college students.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:18 PM (OalnH)

Well, add another ten years... and I'd have to dig into the deep back of the closet...

But, sounds like a plan to me!

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 26, 2022 12:21 PM (oHd/0)

437 Then I moved to the sticks and things....changed, lol. I own one now as well.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:20 PM (OalnH)

Everyone drives trucks where I live. Most of the beds are empty and spotless. I call them expensive air haulers.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 12:21 PM (Y5qcH)

438 I think Jill Biden will probably tell FJB to nomination the highest bidder

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 12:21 PM (lCui1)

439 The front end looks like a Ferrari, the side looks like a Lamborghini and the rear end looks like, well......

GM hasn't had an original thought in 70 years.
Posted by: Sponge - Death Sucks at January 26, 2022 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)

They went with that because those ideas actually work. Mid-engine? Check. Functional aerodynamics? Check. Reliable engine and transmission? Check.

The new Vettes can keep up with the Lambos and Ferraris quite well for a lot less money. That is a win in my book.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at January 26, 2022 12:22 PM (Hh3y4)

440 JFC peeps, all 3 of Trump's picks voted to kill the vax mandate. Are they perfect? No. Are they all 100000X better than any future Biden pick? Fuck yeah.

Some of you will never be happy with anything short of perfect.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:17 PM (OalnH)

What does that have to do with the suggestion Thomas should have retired. And those justices are not just not perfect, they have made decisions that are head scratchers. To say they are better than any dem nominee is a low bar.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 26, 2022 12:22 PM (Ik+Dg)

441 BTW, I seriously doubt Hillary or either Obama being nominated--it would be a step down for either of them and Hillary is too old, the Obamas are also on the old side.

Normal source would be appellate judges including DC Circuit, solicitor general, etc. that have some youth left. As a outsider, it could be the first politician nominated in decades as well or a state court judge or a prominent lawyer looking to cap their career like Boies.

Collegial decision making really makes appointing a firebrand unlikely because it would shift the court majority to the right as a reaction to leftism rather than pulling it more to the left.

Posted by: whig at January 26, 2022 12:22 PM (Iq9dF)

442 I'll vote how the WEF instructs me to vote.
Posted by: Dan Crenshaw at January 26, 2022 12:16 PM (4I/2K)


That's bold talk for a one eyed short man...

Besides you sawed off fuck, you don't get a vote!

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at January 26, 2022 12:22 PM (BgMrQ)

443 Ditto. It must have been a bear formatting all those columns to look right in the blog software layout.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Badluck Streak in Dancing School at January 26, 2022 12:21 PM (vcOmj)
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It was, and it probably isn't worth it. I'll probably do screenshots out of Excel or something like that next time I need them.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 12:23 PM (DU+/6)

444 435 I want older justices who have had time to see the results of judicial meddling. And to limit their damage. We are going to be stuck with that child-trafficer Roberts for four decades.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 26, 2022 12:21 PM (yQpMk)

I want non Lawyers on the Court. They make non complicated things, complicated, because... that is how they are trained.

Like the Vax Mandate. They did not shut it down because of your Rights, they shut it down because Congress did not pass a Law specifically allowing it.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 26, 2022 12:23 PM (oHd/0)

445 BTW, I seriously doubt Hillary or either Obama being nominated--it would be a step down for either of them and Hillary is too old, the Obamas are also on the old side.


Didn't Michelle have her law licenses revoked? I don't think you could serve as a judge without that, could you??

Posted by: Moki at January 26, 2022 12:23 PM (JrN/x)

446 443 It was, and it probably isn't worth it. I'll probably do screenshots out of Excel or something like that next time I need them.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 12:23 PM (DU+/6)

=========

I looked through the code on the backend input system...

My eyes crossed.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 26, 2022 12:23 PM (LvTSG)

447 Everyone drives trucks where I live. Most of the beds are empty and spotless. I call them expensive air haulers.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 26, 2022 12:21 PM (Y5qcH)

___

There's two types where I am. The brand new F150 with chrome accents, maybe is used twice a year to haul something from Home Depot. And the 25 year old trucks that have been beaten to shit as work trucks.

A lot of of people do tow with the trucks, boats and RVs. So they are used for that, even the pristine looking ones.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:24 PM (OalnH)

448 413 376 If Biden's choice is anything like the others, I believe we're going to see first outright communist nominated to the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 26, 2022 12:11 PM (HmZuC)


----------------
Eric Holder perhaps. And won't the redistricting project still be in play? (Two birds with one stone.)

Posted by: Lola at January 26, 2022 12:24 PM (xjz83)

449 The degenerates upstairs didn't nood.

So NOOD FAUCI

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 26, 2022 12:24 PM (DU+/6)

450 416 394 Biden has to nominate a black tranny to SCOTUS or the Left riots
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 12:13 PM (lCui1)

Barack Obama.


michelle obama

Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at January 26, 2022 12:24 PM (Fbj1q)

451 Maybe China will get the first Chin SCOTUS judge installed.

Fang-Fang ?

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 26, 2022 12:24 PM (lCui1)

452 The Mavericks with the 351C and four speed were probably the most potent sleepers I've ever seen on the street. EVERYONE assumed these things all had six cylinder engines.
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at January 26, 2022


***
The fastback Grabbers with the 302 engine crammed in there? And they might have put that engine in some of the sedans too.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 12:25 PM (txdEq)

453 I think Trump has learned a few things from his first time in the barrel and the non-stop lawsuits his family has been facing for going on 6 years. Pain is a good teacher.

I would like to think that but I haven't seen any actual evidence of it.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2022 12:25 PM (lzLwZ)

454 It will need to be a non-white, non-male. That is certain.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 26, 2022 12:25 PM (OalnH)

455 I've just been informed by the WEF that I don't get to vote on SCOTUS nominees. Oh, well, when John Cornyn lets me, I will run for his Senate seat.

Posted by: Dan Crenshaw at January 26, 2022 12:26 PM (4I/2K)

456 "I'm taking too long to answer your question" is really code for "I forgot the answer to the question you were given."

Posted by: thesgm at January 26, 2022 12:40 PM (RRcGg)

457 Do you want the Howler Monkey, Joe? Let me know.

Posted by: KT at January 26, 2022 12:46 PM (0ghg2)

458 The fastback Grabbers with the 302 engine crammed in there? And they might have put that engine in some of the sedans too.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 12:25 PM (txdEq)

Saw a few of those when I was younger. Very nice.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at January 26, 2022 01:00 PM (Hh3y4)

459 Don't forget..Biden illegally added over TWO MILLION "foreign workers", on the path to that "2 Million new jobs", uhm...without getting out a calculator or calling an expert, it looks to me like "Net Jobs=ZERO".
2million "new' people needing housing? Gee, cannot figure out why housing costs are skyrocketing.
They may have "walked" here, but this is not a "Walking Country"...used car prices have gone up nearly 30% suddenly,..hmmm wonder why.
Hospitals/clinics jam packed...how many in those waiting rooms are not "Citizens"?

Posted by: birddog at January 26, 2022 01:04 PM (uAI4S)

460
Missed a good one.

Posted by: Braenyard saying, welcome to the new Cold War at January 26, 2022 01:38 PM (vP4gS)

461 "40 Vampire Willow > Werewolf > Wehrmacht
Posted by: Some Moron at January 26, 2022

***
Vampire Willow was *hot.*
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 26, 2022 11:09 AM (txdEq)"

Bored now! :-)

Posted by: Joe Smith at January 26, 2022 10:15 PM (KKxUs)

462 "199 Well it was the states locking down. Trump took the approach from the beginning that the states were able to decide how they wanted to handle things.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 26, 2022 11:26 AM (z5Vrg)

Trump dumped on GA for opening up. You can't have it both ways."

Also, he let the states handle things, but approved spending federal money to subsidize them, which the mistake that killed him. Either he should have said, "You want to shut down the economy, you pay for it," or else he should have said, "If we're paying for the lockdowns, we decide when they end."

Posted by: Joe Smith at January 26, 2022 10:21 PM (KKxUs)

463 "67 But Tom Hanks told us last hight more jobs were created by this administration than anyone ever
Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 26, 2022 11:10 AM (O7mKc)
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Which is technically true per these stats. 6.5 million jobs created between December of 2020 and December of 2021, all because of some the restrictions relaxing over the course of 2021 and some of the COVID-related welfare drying up.

But total employment is still below - by 3 million jobs - the last pre-pandemic month of December, 2019. The economy in the past year has added a staggering number of jobs, but they aren't nearly enough to offset the losses caused by COVID response after many years of increasing employment during the Trump boom."

Also, as a commenter on Instapundit (apologies, forgetting exactly who) pointed out, those numbers include the superior performance of the Republican-run states that opened up earlier. Imagine what the blue-state only numbers look like.

Posted by: Joe Smith at January 26, 2022 10:22 PM (KKxUs)

464 "371 Not seeing news of the Canada Trucker Convoy... did it run out of gas?"

Go to the THOT link in 352, then scroll down a bit to the aerial footage: some small Canadian city was having a serious traffic problem this morning. The convoy coming from the western part of the country is now more than 70 KM (over 43 miles) long. . .and that's just one of three groups that is descending on Ottawa.

Posted by: Joe Smith at January 26, 2022 10:25 PM (KKxUs)

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