Study: Natural Immunity Is More Protective Against Delta Than Vaccination

You don't say.

No wonder Fauci, Walensky and the federal vaccine-enforcement agencies have refused to investigate this crucial issue until forced to.

They claim that the vaccine was more protective against the alpha version of covid than natural immunity, but delta changed that.


Surviving a previous infection provided better protection than vaccination against Covid-19 during the Delta wave, federal health authorities said, citing research showing that both the shots and recovery from the virus provided significant defense.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Wednesday that data from California and New York last year showed people who were unvaccinated and hadn't previously contracted Covid-19 faced a far greater risk than both people who had gotten the shots and people who had been infected.

...

"Before the Delta variant, Covid-19 vaccination resulted in better protection against a subsequent infection than surviving a previous infection," CDC official Benjamin Silk said.

Um, doubt.

"When looking at the summer and fall of 2021, when Delta became predominant in this country, however, surviving a previous infection now provided greater protection."

Dr. Silk said the research didn't apply to the current Omicron wave and occurred before the wider rollout of Covid-19 booster shots. "It would be like comparing apples and oranges," he said.

The CDC also said that the timing of the research coincided with many people likely experiencing waning vaccine-induced immunity.

Note that being vaccinated of course provides superior protection to being unvaccinated and having no prior infection.

Below, a righteous rant by Kim Iverson that makes some great points about the CDC and Fauci's Only-Vax approach to covid.

She says that the CDC and NIH and NIAID have "abandoned" people with covid to "fend for themselves." She means that they provide almost no guidance for treatment. Either you go to the hospital, or you "self-isolate" and "take Nyquil and Tylenol" and "hope for the best."

That's it. That's the extent of their "recommendations."

Other possible remedies -- ivermectin, HCQ -- which might provide some but not great recuperative effects against covid have been demonized. Monoclonal antibodies were demonized, too. They're now being tightly rationed by the US government.

Because the US government is pursuing a Vax-Only policy against covid.

The other point Iverson makes is that the government, by refusing to do research into the protection afforded by natural immunity, has killed thousands of people.

She says that she personally is caring for someone infected by covid, and knows other people in the same situation. She says she knows of old people infected by covid who have family members who are too terrified of covid to go into the homes of the infected and care for them.

But some of these people have had covid before.

Shouldn't they know if their previous covid makes them more or less immune to covid? Or to serious covid, at least? So that they can go care for their dying older relatives?

Shouldn't we at least know if nurses who have had covid before are especially protected and therefore safe to treat covid patients?

Why doesn't Fauci want to know this?

Why doesn't he want us to know this?

In the current regime of deliberate, state-enforced ignorance and fear, Iverson says, covid-panicked people are letting their covid-striken old family members waste away, alone, too weak to even get off their beds to get water. Their food is just left on the doorstep, and they're too weak to go to the door to get it.

If these panic-stricken cowards at least knew that their risks of getting serious covid were very very low, perhaps they'd take the great risk of carrying the food and pedialite into the home, and maybe spend five minute with their stricken family member to make sure she's not actually dying.

But no, they're too afraid, so they just leave them to die, locked up in their death chambers.

Again, because Fauci's damnable obsession is Vax-Only.

He can't tell anyone that they're at a lower risk for covid, because then they might think they have a lesser need for the vaccine-- which is true, but he won't allow you to think that, so he's going to lie to you to make everyone think they have the same risk of death from covid and keep them all equally terrified.

Vax-Only, Vax-Only, Vax-Only. Just get Vaxed, and then pray.

And when you get covid anyway -- which, let's face it, you probably will -- then just pray some more.

Which is a strange recommendation from "The Science."

Don't worry, though: the Mad Gnome is focused on what really matters.

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1 sponge

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 20, 2022 01:22 PM (LvTSG)

2 st

Posted by: 2001fxdwg at January 20, 2022 01:22 PM (xfTc5)

3 Hey some doctory type found here: When after the WuFlu should you check to see antigens?

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 20, 2022 01:23 PM (yrol0)

4 This is antiscientific nonsense.

A vaccine designed to attack a specific spike protein that has most likely been evolved out of the dominant strains of the virus is obviously more effective than natural immunity that allows the body to learn more than just one factor of a virus' biology.

Duh.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 20, 2022 01:23 PM (LvTSG)

5 F*ck Fauci

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at January 20, 2022 01:23 PM (TNyrE)

6 Sixth!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 20, 2022 01:24 PM (XvPQV)

7 Turn yo head and coof.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 20, 2022 01:24 PM (BFigT)

8 Hang em high!

Posted by: A dude in MI at January 20, 2022 01:25 PM (/6GbT)

9 Injecting little kids is beyond evil. What's beyond evil? No idea, but Fauci and the Teachers Union are right there.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 20, 2022 01:25 PM (VMY76)

10 Um, doubt.

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Did you press X?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 20, 2022 01:25 PM (LvTSG)

11 At least Hitler was nice to dogs.

And he didn't conduct biological warfare against the entire planet.

Lara Logan talks about Fauci too nicely.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at January 20, 2022 01:25 PM (LaNzR)

12 Have St. Fauchi, Dr. Jill, Brian "Big Spud" Stelter, N. DeGrass Tyson, and William "Science Guy"" Nye approved this interpretation?

Asking for a Wine Mom.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 20, 2022 01:25 PM (a3Q+t)

13 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Remembering Oregon Muse at January 20, 2022 01:25 PM (IXZGh)

14 Fauci will burn in Hell someday

But actually was just thinking with more in company getting it should be a good thing for me if those around are immune

Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 20, 2022 01:26 PM (JZg8f)

15 Somebody tell OHSU.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at January 20, 2022 01:26 PM (DnWKq)

16 Fauci is simply an evil POS

Posted by: JoeF. at January 20, 2022 01:26 PM (mR6Gs)

17 Dr. Fauci:

Dolla dolla bills y'all!

Posted by: DoublySymmetric (iPad) at January 20, 2022 01:26 PM (TDj17)

18 The NCAA actually came out and said their new covid rules include those that have been infected and recovered will be considered "fully vaccinated."

We're ALMOST getting the wool removed.......

Posted by: Sponge - Remembering Oregon Muse at January 20, 2022 01:26 PM (IXZGh)

19 Follow the money. Who benefits from a Vax only approach to the Wuhan Lung Aids?

This is not about the "Science", this is about politicians exercising power they should not have and their supporters getting rich with the snake oil being touted as "The One and Only" cure for the Coof.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 20, 2022 01:26 PM (WsJuq)

20 Out damn saggy titted vodka soaked raised eyebrow sock

Posted by: Minuteman at January 20, 2022 01:27 PM (LaNzR)

21 Someone here was absolutely correct the other day..
The abuse of children is proof positive that Stan exists.

Posted by: Jmel at January 20, 2022 01:27 PM (RWHIh)

22 Note that being vaccinated of course provides superior protection to being unvaccinated and having no prior infection.
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If you're otherwise healthy, I would wager its better to get the current mild form and recover with your natural immunity in place than to continually get jabbed and continually weaken your immune system until you eventually succumb to a new flu variant.

Posted by: LASue at January 20, 2022 01:27 PM (Ed8Zd)

23 Buck Sexton was riffing on Fauci, doing his dead on impersonation.

He and Clay Travis are getting better, just don't expect Rush Limbaugh--and they shouldn't even try to be.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 20, 2022 01:27 PM (mR6Gs)

24 Fear porn is the worst kind of porn.

For Wuhan treatment advice, there are some doctors I trust and zero public figures.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 20, 2022 01:28 PM (XvPQV)

25 Hubs let me listen in on a conference call with their "pandemic coordinator" where he stated that people who have had and recovered from covid were two and a half times more likely to get it again compared to the vaxxed. It's a good thing the mike was muted because I yelled, "oh that's f*cking BULLSHIT" really loud.

Posted by: Jordan61 at January 20, 2022 01:28 PM (Ez6QX)

26 The central point made in the Rogan interview of Dr. Robert Malone is similar to the point Ace makes in this post. Go to FLCCC Alliance for care protocols. While my case was mild compared to many, I think their approach helped me get over covid.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 20, 2022 01:28 PM (VMY76)

27 Heh, I'm all over my Covid. It wasn't that bad. Fuck Joe Biden and fuck Pfizer Boosters.

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 20, 2022 01:28 PM (uia9V)

28 "...surviving a previous infection now provided greater protection."

What the fvck? More than 99% of people survive Covid no matter what, so this is just one more example of the hysteria they want to drum up.

You are scum.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 20, 2022 01:29 PM (Q9lwr)

29 Fauci would have been a peer of Mengele. He has the same mindset.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 20, 2022 01:29 PM (NqZ29)

30 F**k. I hate the sight of that evil dwarf, Fauchi.

Posted by: Joe Mama at January 20, 2022 01:29 PM (WmGrA)

31
Is this serious, Ace?

Because here's a helpful video for your "This Is Serious" posts:

https://youtu.be/bjmYee2ZfSk?t=6

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 20, 2022 01:29 PM (zu30u)

32 If my mom or dad were still alive and were sick, I'd be there even if I was susceptible.

Posted by: LASue at January 20, 2022 01:29 PM (Ed8Zd)

33 Under 5 ? A "vaccine" that doesn't work and causes side effects to many ? How Nazi of the little gnome

Posted by: It's me donna at January 20, 2022 01:30 PM (TdaKq)

34 A firing squad is too good for Fauci, unless they aim low and let him bleed out.

Posted by: Sponge - Remembering Oregon Muse at January 20, 2022 01:30 PM (IXZGh)

35 I don't know this Kim Iversen lady. Attractive as well as well-spoken.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 20, 2022 01:30 PM (txdEq)

36 Angry Kim Iversen is HAWT Kim Iversen.

Posted by: butch at January 20, 2022 01:30 PM (cHvOo)

37 16 Fauci is simply an evil POS
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Fauci Garden Gnomes that you can piss on will be the next big thing. Contact me if you are interested in investing in this explosive and rewarding opportunity.

Posted by: Puddin Head at January 20, 2022 01:30 PM (uia9V)

38 Because the US government is pursuing a Vax-Only policy against covid.

The other point Iverson makes is that the government, by refusing to do research into the protection afforded by natural immunity, has killed thousands of people.

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It's the monomania of government. There are a lot of other nasty factors, too - the power, the games, the money, the authority, the ambition, the ego - but government is often monomaniacal. It is the case here. The vaccine is the only answer, and is the only answer the government can acknowledge. There is literally, to them, no other answer. There can be no other answer, because those answers are not the vaccine.

It isn't scientific, it isn't based on data, it isn't even based on cynical expansion of power. It's a form of institutional madness.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 20, 2022 01:31 PM (DU+/6)

39 As has been said, a large cadre of people in the political, scientific and medical community need to face a reckoning delivered by the business end of an industrial wood chipper.

This is essential.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 20, 2022 01:31 PM (1EFK+)

40 She says that the CDC and NIH and NIAID have "abandoned" people with covid to "fend for themselves." She means that they provide almost no guidance for treatment. Either you go to the hospital, or you "self-isolate" and "take Nyquil and Tylenol" and "hope for the best."

this is exactly what they told my boss when he caught it over christmas break. and he followed the advice. he is STILL sick but slowly recovering because after 3 weeks, they gave him antibiotics to help fight secondary infections. I suggested the "normal" stuff like zinc, vit c, d etc. because there's no way he's going to self medicate in invermectin. he didn't use it apparently. But him and other cow-orkers are STILL stalking about how great it is they had boosters because otherwise, it'd be worse...

meanwhile, i'm STILL fine after having a very mild case last march. and haven't changed my routine from pre-pandemic excet for a mask when walking in the office building because otherwise i'll get written up.

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at January 20, 2022 01:31 PM (8D42x)

41 "Fight the system! Do what the man says!"
-60s hippies, today

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 20, 2022 01:31 PM (LvTSG)

42 Fauci would have been a peer of Mengele. He has the same mindset.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 20, 2022 01:29 PM (NqZ29)

Fauci would be working for Goebbels. Mengele wouldn't let that clown anywhere near his laboratories.

Posted by: Overheard from the Samizdat Oval Office.... at January 20, 2022 01:31 PM (6FeV1)

43 Unexpectedly.

Posted by: ShainS -- Beware the Branch Covidians at January 20, 2022 01:31 PM (jqOKp)

44 hiya

Posted by: JT at January 20, 2022 01:31 PM (arJlL)

45 In a just world there would be a version of the Nuremberg trials for Fauci, CDC officials, FDA officials, pandemic "modelers", WEF members, big Pharma officers, politicos and others, who made the catastrophe that is COVID orders of magnitude worse for the entire global population.

We're living through ongoing crimes against humanity.

Posted by: Revenant at January 20, 2022 01:31 PM (NJXJJ)

46 Sockoff

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 20, 2022 01:32 PM (6FeV1)

47 I've had the omicrap variant, and consider myself immune now. I was pretty sick for a few days, and I'm still low in stamina, but I no longer cast an Evil Eye towards anyone that coughs in my direction.

But regardless of which one, they all provide immunity once you recover from it.

Don't they teach that in Immunology 101?

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 20, 2022 01:32 PM (F0YaR)

48 Every single article or post about Covid should begin with the sentence:

Before reading, please remember that Covid is a virus with a 99.7% survivability rate for the average human being.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 20, 2022 01:32 PM (KbCG3)

49 https://pjmedia.com/ news-and-politics/athena-thorne/2022/01/20/ incompetent-biden-administration-covid-test-saga-continues- will-these-things-even-work-n1551200

So, the free tests may go bad in the mail...I guess they were gonna expire anyway, so now it will be our fault they ended up in the landfill, not the gov's...

Posted by: Nova local at January 20, 2022 01:32 PM (exHjb)

50 F*&^ Fauci and the Chinese who designed this specifically to make it super contagious to humans.

F^&% them.

Posted by: LASue at January 20, 2022 01:32 PM (Ed8Zd)

51 The freakin insanity of all this is just about to drive me out of my mind.

Posted by: sidney at January 20, 2022 01:32 PM (LJJah)

52 C'mon, you know you want it! Chicken?

Posted by: Big War at January 20, 2022 01:32 PM (BOJAx)

53 "...CDC and Fauci's Only-Vax approach to covid."

Ace, this was cocksucker Fauci's approach to AIDS. He never took the sensible steps to quarantine carriers...preferring his "let's wait for treatments and vaccines" approach.

He is personally responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

He is a ghoul, and has been for a very long time.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 20, 2022 01:32 PM (Q9lwr)

54 Alex Berenson's latest substack entry brings up the next question that should be asked - will vaccines hinder the development of natural immunity post-infection? My immunology knowledge isn't that great, but this seems like a good question in light of all the mass vaccination campaigns.

Posted by: Thrawn at January 20, 2022 01:32 PM (Rl7KJ)

55 I did not know that The Hill had the balls to go against our tech overlords like that.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric (iPad) at January 20, 2022 01:32 PM (TDj17)

56 Hubs let me listen in on a conference call with their "pandemic coordinator" where he stated that people who have had and recovered from covid were two and a half times more likely to get it again compared to the vaxxed. It's a good thing the mike was muted because I yelled, "oh that's f*cking BULLSHIT" really loud.
Posted by: Jordan61 at January 20, 2022 01:28 PM (Ez6QX)


We have an external "pandemic coordinator" who is, of course, paid by us, as well as receiving his regular pay from his medical employer. Guess who thinks Covid is going to go on for years and require a lot of ongoing expert advice.

Posted by: Wally at January 20, 2022 01:32 PM (FJYfm)

57 >>She says that the CDC and NIH and NIAID have "abandoned" people with covid to "fend for themselves." She means that they provide almost no guidance for treatment. Either you go to the hospital, or you "self-isolate" and "take Nyquil and Tylenol" and "hope for the best."

That's it. That's the extent of their "recommendations."


Absolutely true.
Worse, they have pressured other institutions that could fulfill this need, such as the media, pharmacies, your doctor, into doing the same.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 20, 2022 01:32 PM (URNdm)

58 Willowed: My guess is that today and tomorrow and probably Saturday, they're going to keep him comfortable and in dim lighting while he recovers. "More drugs" is probably not a big part of that, since they need him alive for the next round.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
*
I never thought I was going to live through a never ending episode of "Patterns of Force"!
Posted by: Archer at January 20, 2022


***
We are, aren't we? No Spock; Heels-Up Harris is the first officer. What a horror show.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 20, 2022 01:33 PM (txdEq)

59 Hubs let me listen in on a conference call with their "pandemic coordinator" where he stated that people who have had and recovered from covid were two and a half times more likely to get it again compared to the vaxxed. It's a good thing the mike was muted because I yelled, "oh that's f*cking BULLSHIT" really loud.
Posted by: Jordan61 at January 20, 2022 01:28 PM (Ez6QX)



That's the exact opposite of what actually happens. His pandemic coordinator is a blithering fucking imbecile.

Posted by: Sponge - Remembering Oregon Muse at January 20, 2022 01:33 PM (IXZGh)

60 early off topic, per twitchy, FBI raided the home and campaign office of TX Dem Rep Cuellar. No explanation yet.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 20, 2022 01:33 PM (Ynyl9)

61 And natural immunity is broad, and should work better than what we're doing with the vaccine. The Chinese vaccine which is traditional might be comparable - who knows - but these mRNA vaccines won't be, and no one should expect them to be. They work only on the spike protein. The moment that changes, vaccine efficacy drops or collapses. Natural immunity is based on more than just the spike, and if those are stable, then immunity is still good to go (like Omicron, which has a different spike but the rest of the envelope is pretty similar).

But that doesn't tie in with the monomania.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 20, 2022 01:33 PM (DU+/6)

62 These evil fucks have no qualms about experimenting on kids. I guess this shouldn't surprise me - these are the same elites who have no qualms about trafficking and fucking kids. They all need to be burned alive.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 20, 2022 01:33 PM (II3Gr)

63 The fear is great in this one:

Howard Stern Rips Unvaccinated Americans: In My America in my America, All Hospitals Would Be Closed To You Go Home And Die

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 20, 2022 01:33 PM (yrol0)

64 6 Sixth!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 20, 2022 01:24 PM (XvPQV)


Nice!

Posted by: Jordan61 at January 20, 2022 01:33 PM (Ez6QX)

65 Everyone gets vaxxed: lots of people make lots of money

Nobody gets vaxxed: nobody makes money

Therefore those who make money push for vaxxing everyone.

It all comes down to this. The rest is just noise.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 20, 2022 01:34 PM (OalnH)

66 >>>63 The fear is great in this one:

Howard Stern R

who's he? is that the NBA guy?

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 01:34 PM (0G13K)

67 This is not about the "Science", this is about politicians exercising power they should not have and their supporters getting rich with the snake oil being touted as "The One and Only" cure for the Coof.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 20, 2022 01:26 PM (WsJuq)

lord above forgive me, but i do hope their vaccines and boosters kill them first...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at January 20, 2022 01:34 PM (8D42x)

68 60 early off topic, per twitchy, FBI raided the home and campaign office of TX Dem Rep Cuellar. No explanation yet.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 20, 2022 01:33 PM (Ynyl9)

Yes there is... He went off script regarding the border and criticized Biden's administration...

Posted by: It's me donna at January 20, 2022 01:34 PM (TdaKq)

69 My husband and I had mild covid early November of 2020. At the end of December his father was dying of cancer (we'll not speculate if discouraging medical care all year contributed to that) and while he was "home" his family caught a very nasty strain of covid. His mother died, probably complicated by grief from the passing of his father, and his brother and cousins got seriously ill, needing care and recovering slowly. (We'd smelled stuff weird for two days and been a little tired.) My husband cared for people seriously sick with covid for weeks and didn't get so much as a whiff of ozone. His immunity was rock solid. Complete immunity while caring for very sick, extremely infectious people without any sort of precautions or "distancing" or masking.

Posted by: Synova at January 20, 2022 01:34 PM (BD/yx)

70 This is antiscientific nonsense.

A vaccine designed to attack a specific spike protein that has most likely been evolved out of the dominant strains of the virus is obviously more effective than natural immunity that allows the body to learn more than just one factor of a virus' biology.

Duh.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 20, 2022 01:23 PM (LvTSG)

It's like the police looking for a suspect. Which is better: looking for a suspect wearing a red jacket or looking for a suspect 6' tall, caucasian, red jacket, blue jeans, and black, cropped hair.

Obviously the knowing the red jacket is enough.

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at January 20, 2022 01:34 PM (EpDzw)

71 Once the billions of dollars the pharmaceutical industry has sunk into the vaccine are dried up, the whole issue goes away. The fed is growing tired of COVID because it's no longer serving its intended purpose... compliance.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 20, 2022 01:34 PM (BFigT)

72 60 early off topic, per twitchy, FBI raided the home and campaign office of TX Dem Rep Cuellar. No explanation yet.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 20, 2022 01:33 PM (Ynyl9)

__

Explanation is simple. He criticized Biden.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 20, 2022 01:34 PM (OalnH)

73 And in 6 months when we finally get the truth about the vaccine risks-

Fauci: Well, of course there were risks! We were very clear about it all along! We encouraged everyone to make an informed decision. That is why I didn't get vaccinated!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 20, 2022 01:35 PM (F4b8f)

74 Saw that Kim Iverson rant yesterday (it was recommended to me on YouTube, kind of surprisingly.) I was standing and cheering halfway through. That needs to go viral.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at January 20, 2022 01:35 PM (njfCw)

75
Howard Stern Rips Unvaccinated Americans: In My America in my America, All Hospitals Would Be Closed To You Go Home And Die
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 20, 2022 01:33 PM (yrol0)



He's inhaled too many of his own farts. FOAD, jackass. I will live my life free and without regret and point in your direction and laugh at what an idiotic buffoon you've become.

HA ha!

Posted by: Sponge - Remembering Oregon Muse at January 20, 2022 01:35 PM (IXZGh)

76 >>but this seems like a good question in light of all the mass vaccination campaigns.


Yes, considering that Moderna is apparently looking into creating an annual combination flu and covid vaccination shot. We'd never escape the covid shots again.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 20, 2022 01:35 PM (URNdm)

77 It isn't scientific, it isn't based on data, it isn't even based on cynical expansion of power. It's a form of institutional madness.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 20, 2022 01:31 PM (DU+/6)
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And, worse than that (for us) is, at this point, they cannot admit that they were wrong. They've staked too much on the storyline to risk it.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at January 20, 2022 01:35 PM (DnWKq)

78 The vaccine is the real play here.
By all accounts it reduces your natural immunity, maybe even gives you heart problems.
A good way to get rid of all of us useless eaters.
Just like Bill Gates said he wanted to do.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 20, 2022 01:35 PM (jTmQV)

79 Howard Stern R

who's he? is that the NBA guy?
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 01:34 PM (0G13K)


No, I'm pretty sure he's the Home Alone and City Slickers guy.

Posted by: Wally at January 20, 2022 01:35 PM (FJYfm)

80 Stern has become an ultra Karen. He's been in hiding at his Hamptons palace for 2 years screaming about the unvaxxed and unmasked. Sometimes I think it's an act.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 20, 2022 01:36 PM (OalnH)

81 That's what I really don't get about these people. It seems to me (and I'm no medical doctor or even the other kind of doctor) that an early intervention treatment (zinc, HCQ, ivermectin, vitamins C&D, etc.) should be tried as soon as someone tests positive to give their immune system the best chance to fight off the infection. By the time it's progressed to the point where a hospital is necessary, it may be too late for any treatment. This applies to cancer or even my own malady (Crohn's) as well as COVID.

It's sheer lunacy how this disease is being treated by those who are supposed to be healers first and foremost.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 20, 2022 01:36 PM (YIVH2)

82 >>>31
Is this serious, Ace?

Because here's a helpful video for your "This Is Serious" posts:

https://youtu.be/bjmYee2ZfSk?t=6
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales

...

we're very weridly mind-locked. I haven't watched EVS in forever but watched last night and took note of that vid and looked it up and marked it for possible use later. I loved it.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 01:36 PM (0G13K)

83 The truth is coming out. Must watch the good Dr Campbell.

https://youtu.be/9UHvwWWcjYw

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 20, 2022 01:36 PM (F4b8f)

84 I want some stories from the battle lines of public schools in Virginia, where Karen teachers are up against mask-free kids.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at January 20, 2022 01:36 PM (KiBMU)

85 68 60 early off topic, per twitchy, FBI raided the home and campaign office of TX Dem Rep Cuellar. No explanation yet.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 20, 2022 01:33 PM (Ynyl9)

Yes there is... He went off script regarding the border and criticized Biden's administration...
Posted by: It's me donna at January 20, 2022 01:34 PM (TdaKq)

Yes, Dems go after their traitors - quickly - using all tools in their tool bag...it's a warning to the rest...

Posted by: Nova local at January 20, 2022 01:36 PM (exHjb)

86 63 The fear is great in this one:

Howard Stern Rips Unvaccinated Americans: In My America in my America, All Hospitals Would Be Closed To You Go Home And Die
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 20, 2022 01:33 PM (yrol0)

Ha, this fearmongrel went to Hollywood and came out a shriveled grandma.

Also, why does Howard Stern want black people to die?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 20, 2022 01:36 PM (KbCG3)

87 Fauci Garden Gnomes that you can piss on will be the next big thing. Contact me if you are interested in investing in this explosive and rewarding opportunity.
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 20, 2022 01:30 PM


You're going to make the Gnomes out of a Tannerite-like substance that reacts when interacting with a stream of Oxygen Dihydride?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 20, 2022 01:36 PM (a3Q+t)

88 Ace, you can't trust anything these people say.

Dr. Silk said the CDC still recommends that everyone who is eligible, including those previously infected, get vaccinated against Covid-19 and that it is the safest way to mount an immune response.

See. They'll push and lie about the vax no matter what.

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at January 20, 2022 01:36 PM (EpDzw)

89 I've had the omicrap variant, and consider myself immune now. I was pretty sick for a few days, and I'm still low in stamina, but I no longer cast an Evil Eye towards anyone that coughs in my direction.

But regardless of which one, they all provide immunity once you recover from it.

Don't they teach that in Immunology 101?
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 20, 2022


***
I still think I had the coof way back in Dec. 2019. Haven't been sick since. Miss Linda had a cold, or the Oh My Cron, about a week ago. She visited to help me dose Chekov and to have dinner, etc. It was nothing that some Nyquil couldn't handle. I was either lucky not to catch it, or naturally immune.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 20, 2022 01:37 PM (txdEq)

90
we're very weirdly mind-locked. I haven't watched EVS in forever but watched last night and took note of that vid and looked it up and marked it for possible use later. I loved it.
Posted by: ace


#metoo!

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 20, 2022 01:37 PM (zu30u)

91 censoring treatment options is evil.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at January 20, 2022 01:37 PM (ZZK0E)

92 I'm glad that dumb fuck BoJo shut down all things covid. Take his lead Sponge Brain.

Posted by: Capital Eff at January 20, 2022 01:37 PM (GYllL)

93 And, worse than that (for us) is, at this point, they cannot admit that they were wrong. They've staked too much on the storyline to risk it.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at January 20, 2022 01:35 PM (DnWKq)
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Yeah. The COVID response generally and the vaccination-or-nothing mania more specifically is a perfect manifestation of every form of government pathology. It is really a "power of and" situation.

The're insane? Yes. They're power-mad? Yes. They're corrupt thieves? Yes. The list goes on. Every pathology is on display in this.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 20, 2022 01:37 PM (DU+/6)

94 I have a couple of friends who while not raw meat conservatives, are definitely center-right and generally sensible people. And they're all in on the vax, boosting and everything. It's sad to watch.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 20, 2022 01:38 PM (OalnH)

95 Scott Gottlieb former head of the FDA and now on the board of Pfizer went after the CDC on CNBC the other day. Said they are in serious need of reform, they were never designed to be giving public pronouncements that government and businesses should be following and are terrible at it and are always a year behind on advice from research. It was refreshing actually. Our local health system recently came out and said they disagree with the CDC on quarantine etc. and will follow their own experience with patients regarding length of time positive individuals are infectious. Also emphasized increasing vit D and Zinc as both preventive and treatment for infected but healthy individuals.

Posted by: Jen the original at January 20, 2022 01:38 PM (d2M0j)

96
Imagine editing "This is serious!" with "I have relationships with women and sex with men!"

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 20, 2022 01:38 PM (zu30u)

97 64 6 Sixth!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 20, 2022 01:24 PM (XvPQV)

Nice!


only sixth lords deal in absolutes

Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at January 20, 2022 01:38 PM (8kMmX)

98 The statistics that the National Health Service in the UK have collected on this are fairly reliable.
The indications from this are that the vaccinated (largely with Astrazenica, an mDNA vaccine as opposed to Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccine...but the same effect), are more susceptible to infection, as now a larger percentage of the population in the UK HAS been vaccinated.
It is also true that after the second shot, your immunity also goes DOWN for two weeks. People that get sick in that interval were not always counted as "Vaccinated", because the government likes to play with numbers.

HCQ/Quercetin and now Resveratrol work well with Zinc early in the infection phase. Later in the infection phase, they are not as effective.
Ivermectin does what the new Pfizer pill is alleged to do, which interrupts enzyme activity of the Covid 19 virus. Ivermectin has long been known to have various anti-viral properties.
The denial of these therapeutics to a lot of patients and sick people is nothing short of murder.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at January 20, 2022 01:38 PM (vcOmj)

99 The fear is great in this one:

Howard Stern Rips Unvaccinated Americans: In My America in my America, All Hospitals Would Be Closed To You Go Home And Die
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 20, 2022 01:33 PM (

Hes always been a freaky germaphobe (except when it comes to women's pu*#*) and has only gotten more nutzo as he's faded into his senior years.

Posted by: LASue at January 20, 2022 01:38 PM (Ed8Zd)

100 The're insane? Yes. They're power-mad? Yes. They're corrupt thieves? Yes. The list goes on. Every pathology is on display in this.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 20, 2022 01:37 PM


You're a tad too young to be so cynical.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 20, 2022 01:38 PM (a3Q+t)

101 Vax-Only, Vax-Only, Vax-Only. Just get Vaxed, and then pray.

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"You left out the most important factor: PAY!" -- Dr. Faucistein

Posted by: ShainS -- Beware the Branch Covidians at January 20, 2022 01:38 PM (jqOKp)

102 I'm enjoying watching the pro-mask people chasing the latest N95 silliness. They keep moving those goal posts, don't they?

Although I'm hoping normal people just give up and say "f*ck off, I'm done."

Posted by: Moron Robbie - wondering about using horse paste or my preferred 1% liquid, read the comments at January 20, 2022 01:39 PM (/6kZi)

103 >> Howard Stern Rips Unvaccinated Americans: ...

Someone called him Cher's grandmother. LOL

Posted by: Capital Eff at January 20, 2022 01:39 PM (GYllL)

104 early off topic, per twitchy, FBI raided the home and campaign office of TX Dem Rep Cuellar. No explanation yet.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hobokem at January 20, 2022 01:33 PM (Ynyl9)

so, they decided watergate took too long and they'd just break in in broad daylight?

well, the good news is that the congressional investigations into this political attack will lead to the resignation of slow joe and a return to ...

wait, why are you laughing? it could happen.

sure, pigs could fly out of my ass eating ham sandwiches first, but it could happen...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at January 20, 2022 01:39 PM (8D42x)

105 Opie & Anthony was > Howard Stern

Anthony Cumia still > Howard Stern

Posted by: Guy Smiley at January 20, 2022 01:39 PM (njfCw)

106 Hubs let me listen in on a conference call with their "pandemic coordinator" where he stated that people who have had and recovered from covid were two and a half times more likely to get it again compared to the vaxxed. It's a good thing the mike was muted because I yelled, "oh that's f*cking BULLSHIT" really loud.
Posted by: Jordan61 at January 20, 2022 01:28 PM (Ez6QX)

Yep. I've know several people who were triple jabbed (plus one triple jabbed and had the original COVID) come down with it. If you're lucky, the jabs are a net zero. Looks like they are a negative.

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at January 20, 2022 01:39 PM (EpDzw)

107 >Note that being vaccinated of course provides superior protection to being unvaccinated and having no prior infection.

If this was true previously, it is no longer true. Based on data from Israel, Denmark, UK, etc., Omicron preferentially infects people who have had the shots.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at January 20, 2022 01:39 PM (8548M)

108 And natural immunity is broad, and should work better than what we're doing with the vaccine.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 20, 2022 01:33 PM (DU+/6)

It also makes scientific sense, so should be taken seriously. If I am exposed to the entire virus, my body produces an immune response to...wait for it...the entire virus. If my body is exposed to just one of the spike proteins, it is clear that the immune response will be more specific.

Obviously all of this needs to be confirmed by real science...real data...real studies. But it's not some silly theory. It is backed up by years of immunology research.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 20, 2022 01:39 PM (Q9lwr)

109 > Other possible remedies -- ivermectin, HCQ -- which might provide some but not great recuperative effects against covid have been demonized. Monoclonal antibodies were demonized, too. They're now being tightly rationed by the US government.

Not only are they being rationed, the FDA came up with a bullshit racial risk score to direct triage.

If you're "Latinx", you get a higher score than a white person with congestive heart failure.

https://bit.ly/3GQMEQ2

Posted by: bonhomme at January 20, 2022 01:39 PM (AhhdW)

110 The BMJ, formerly known as the British Medical Journal called foul on the lack of transparency behind Big Pharmas push to jab every man, woman, and child on earth.

They called out how there is even less transparency with Covid-19 vaccines and treatments than in past instances that proved to be deadly.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 20, 2022 01:39 PM (yrol0)

111 That's what I really don't get about these people. It seems to me (and I'm no medical doctor or even the other kind of doctor) that an early intervention treatment (zinc, HCQ, ivermectin, vitamins C&D, etc.) should be tried as soon as someone tests positive to give their immune system the best chance to fight off the infection. ...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 20, 2022 01:36 PM (YIVH2)
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Yes, but that isn't a vaccine and a vaccine is *the* answer. The only answer. No other answer exists. No other conditions requiring a different answer exist. Of those in government and other mega-institutions who are even capable of acknowledging that they're monomaniacal and other answers might exist, they have far too many vested interests to pursue it. The rest of them aren't even capable of grokking the point.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 20, 2022 01:40 PM (DU+/6)

112 Meanwhile, no less than 25 federal agencies have implemented programs to record and track employees who've requested religious exemptions from the mandates.

Why? Because they're doing it, that's why.

http://bitly.ws/nX7z

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at January 20, 2022 01:40 PM (sWM8x)

113 I'm really worried that the vaxx might lower immunity because my family is all double vaxxed (except me - single J&J) despite my misgivings

I don't care if I croak but I couldn't bear it if they got seriously ill

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at January 20, 2022 01:40 PM (EGSGm)

114 Fuck Anthony Fauci in his wrinkled asshole with a flaming cactus.

I don't hate very much or very many people because I think it's a wasteful emotion but I fucking HATE, with every fiber of my being, that egomaniacal gnome.

Posted by: ballistic at January 20, 2022 01:40 PM (oXNqT)

115 Cuellar must have done found out something he's not supposed to know.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 20, 2022 01:40 PM (6FeV1)

116 That's it. That's the extent of their "recommendations."


Absolutely true.
Worse, they have pressured other institutions that could fulfill this need, such as the media, pharmacies, your doctor, into doing the same.
Posted by: Lizzy

I just saw that in Japan they are sending out pulse oximeters. One prefecture just ordered 100K to send to people who are sick.

I think the drugs are up to the Dr.s, but TBH I have not paid close attention lately

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 20, 2022 01:40 PM (YGkPn)

117 6 Sixth!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 20, 2022 01:24 PM


You're too sixthy!

Posted by: Lena D. at January 20, 2022 01:40 PM (a3Q+t)

118 Angry Kim Iversen is HAWT Kim Iversen.
Posted by: butch at January 20, 2022


***
Most of her pics in a DDG image search are face and shoulders only, but one shows that she is, or was, quite sizzling.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 20, 2022 01:40 PM (txdEq)

119 >>>See. They'll push and lie about the vax no matter what.


well i'm pro-vax. I had no side-effects, apart from the "flu-like symptoms" for 24 hours and the ache in the arm they warned me about, which I think you get with any flu-type vaccine.

I think many of you are greatly, greatly overestimating the risks from the vaccine, which are small, while greatly, greatly underestimating the risks from covid.

covid does not automatically kill you but as we just sadly learned, yes, it does kill people.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 01:40 PM (0G13K)

120 94 I have a couple of friends who while not raw meat conservatives, are definitely center-right and generally sensible people. And they're all in on the vax, boosting and everything. It's sad to watch.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 20, 2022 01:38 PM (OalnH)

We spent decades building up experts - look how smart our experts are! Our experts are the best! (This ties into the whole everyone should go to college mentality)

So, not surprised that people do what the experts tell them to do. But it turns out that experts are people and not robots - subject to the same biases and shortcomings as the rest of us.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric (iPad) at January 20, 2022 01:41 PM (TDj17)

121 I remember a few years ago in these boxes there was a debate over opiods.

Tell me again how the drug companies were not trying to get as many people hooked on their shit as possible for profit.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 20, 2022 01:41 PM (YGkPn)

122 I had no idea Anthony Cumia was the Anthony of Opie and Anthony. I never listened to O&A but really like Cumia. About 6 months ago I stumbled on the fact he was the A in O&A and was like, no shit? I wish I had listened to them now.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 20, 2022 01:41 PM (OalnH)

123 covid does not automatically kill you but as we just sadly learned, yes, it does kill people.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 01:40 PM (0G13K)

I mean, how many things could this be said about?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 20, 2022 01:41 PM (KbCG3)

124 Kim Iversen> Allen Iverson.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 20, 2022 01:42 PM (F4b8f)

125 This is all very easy to understand: follow the money. The prime directive of our government's healthcare policies is (and has been for a while) to stuff Big Pharma's pockets fat with cash. If there was billions for Pfizer to make on non-vax treatments, the shriveled midget cocksucker would be pimping them. But the vax is the big money golden ticket for Pharma, so that's what he pimps. It's that easy to understand.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 20, 2022 01:42 PM (iFTx/)

126 Like I commented earlier, the shots are the real play, not Covid.
This is the reason why all the well known, inexpensive therapies were forbidden.
They want a lot of us to die, and in fact, Dr Fauci has presided over the first actual decline in life expectancy since records were being kept.
Sometimes the obvious answer is the answer.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 20, 2022 01:42 PM (jTmQV)

127 Anecdotally, listening to people who work in hospitals, infant mortality is WAYYYYY higher than it normally is. I can't say 100% for sure why, but i can say 100% for sure what i think it is.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 20, 2022 01:42 PM (6FeV1)

128 Posted by: ballistic at January 20, 2022 01:40 PM (oXNqT)

His massive number of crimes and the oceans of blood on his hands warrant the hate.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at January 20, 2022 01:42 PM (njfCw)

129 119 I think many of you are greatly, greatly overestimating the risks from the vaccine, which are small, while greatly, greatly underestimating the risks from covid.

covid does not automatically kill you but as we just sadly learned, yes, it does kill people.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 01:40 PM (0G13K)

========

I got into a shouting match with Dolley a couple of weeks ago because she wanted Junior to get vaccinated.

I won. He didn't get the vax.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 20, 2022 01:42 PM (LvTSG)

130 Fauci is simply an evil POS
Posted by: JoeF. at January 20, 2022 01:26 PM (mR6Gs)
.......

This too, is the story of Biden.

Posted by: wth at January 20, 2022 01:42 PM (v0R5T)

131 I'm pro-taking care of me having done a lot of research and being serious about me, more serious than anyone else.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 20, 2022 01:42 PM (KAi1n)

132 Hey, they spend time telling Dr. Malone, the guy with 11 patents on developing mRNA vaccines, that he doesn't know anything and is giving out misinformation.

My doctors are all at OSHU and so far, none of them has given me grief about the vaccines. But they have a transgender clinic, so I sometime wonder how much science they've studied.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at January 20, 2022 01:43 PM (5HBd1)

133 25 Hubs let me listen in on a conference call with their "pandemic coordinator" where he stated that people who have had and recovered from covid were two and a half times more likely to get it again compared to the vaxxed. It's a good thing the mike was muted because I yelled, "oh that's f*cking BULLSHIT" really loud.
Posted by: Jordan61 at January 20, 2022 01:28 PM (Ez6QX


Perfect illustration of the current problem. This thing has been so politicized that everybody has their own version of the facts based on where they got their information. I'm likely as biased as anybody because most everything I know about the blasted thing I read here. There is no objective truth and since early 2020 my philosophy is that everything being said about this by everybody is an outright lie, all the way from the lowliest school board member up to the president. I had the same upper bound when Trump was president also. If you don't know the facts it is not possible to even define the problem let alone find an optimal solution.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at January 20, 2022 01:43 PM (CoMmC)

134 If you were over 65 with comorbidities, you needed the vax.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 20, 2022 01:43 PM (F4b8f)

135 The rest of them aren't even capable of grokking the point.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 20, 2022 01:40 PM (DU+/6)
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As I said above, it's mind-boggling lunacy. A complete denial of over 100 years of scientific research and accumulated knowledge in favor of ONE and ONLY ONE possible solution. Never mind that people are very different with very different health conditions that may preclude getting vaxxed. My own mind struggles to comprehend the scale of this mass delusional behavior.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 20, 2022 01:43 PM (YIVH2)

136 I think its way too obvious that the FDA is hopelessly compromised and controlled by Big Pharma now, if not for a long time. Good God, 5 year olds? Who are essentially immune to the Wuhan Flu?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 20, 2022 01:43 PM (KZzsI)

137 122 I had no idea Anthony Cumia was the Anthony of Opie and Anthony. I never listened to O&A but really like Cumia. About 6 months ago I stumbled on the fact he was the A in O&A and was like, no shit? I wish I had listened to them now.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 20, 2022 01:41 PM (OalnH)

Cumia was the driving force behind O&A. Anthony was an anchor on that show. But man, the guests they'd have on and the convos they had... I know they're known basically as "shock jocks" but they had some tremendous debates with guys like Patrice O'Neal against Nick Dipaolo.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 20, 2022 01:43 PM (KbCG3)

138 Stern is fundamentally unserious.

Posted by: That one guy what says fundamentally unserious about everything at January 20, 2022 01:43 PM (AD14M)

139 The greatest scandal is the federal seizure of the monoclonal antibody supplies. Now, very few people can even find monoclonals.

Incomprehensible.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 20, 2022 01:43 PM (VMY76)

140 I assumed that there wasn't any news coverage of treatments because our media sucks and doesn't do it job and not because the CDC sucks and doesn't have treatments.

Stupid game to make everyone come up with their own treatment plans and then demonize them for choosing the wrong path.

Posted by: Wodun at January 20, 2022 01:43 PM (V7BMn)

141 This was a breaking discovery centuries ago. The concept of immunity from disease dates back at least to Greece in the 5th century BC. Thucydides wrote of individuals who recovered from the plague, which was raging in Athens at
the time that these individuals, who had already contracted the disease, recovered and became "immune" or "exempt."

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 20, 2022 01:43 PM (coYBh)

142 56 We have an external "pandemic coordinator" who is, of course, paid by us, as well as receiving his regular pay from his medical employer. Guess who thinks Covid is going to go on for years and require a lot of ongoing expert advice.

dr. dogbert?

Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at January 20, 2022 01:44 PM (8kMmX)

143 >>Meanwhile, no less than 25 federal agencies have implemented programs to record and track employees who've requested religious exemptions from the mandates.

Why? Because they're doing it, that's why.



That makes no sense -- why do they care who is not vaxxed? And where is HIPAA?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 20, 2022 01:44 PM (URNdm)

144

If you are a big person around 500 pounds you need the vax.

If you are Hunter Biden you need the vax.

If you are a drooling imbecile President you need the vax.

If you are a bloated widebody fat tub of good you need the vax.

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at January 20, 2022 01:44 PM (XnbJC)

145 Pardon my French, but what pissed me off the most about having covid was the lack of treatments or treatment plan. When I tested positive at the doctor's office they told me to drink plenty of fluids and get rest. Fark that noise. If this is so serious as to shutdown the country you give me a treatment plan. Don't get me started on medication, I'm just talking about basic treatment, care, and what to look out for. It really changed my opinion of doctors. Any idiot could have told me that. They went to school for 10 years, surely they learned somwthing!?

Posted by: Mishdog at January 20, 2022 01:44 PM (/VWLE)

146 The greatest scandal is the federal seizure of the monoclonal antibody supplies. Now, very few people can even find monoclonals.

Incomprehensible.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 20, 2022 01:43 PM (VMY76)

Commies have never cared how many people die as long as they reach their goals.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at January 20, 2022 01:44 PM (rF64X)

147 kid was vaxxed and boosted and still got delta. our family came to a grinding halt because the health dept was involved trying to micromange us. scratchy throat, sniffles were only symptoms

Posted by: nckate at January 20, 2022 01:44 PM (z5Nun)

148 well i'm pro-vax. I had no side-effects, apart from the "flu-like symptoms" for 24 hours and the ache in the arm they warned me about, which I think you get with any flu-type vaccine.

**

Has anyone explained why it hurts almost everyone?

Because it's not a "flu-type" vaccine beyond being an injection. It contains no virus, while the flu shot does. And yet people just accept that it's going to damage them.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - wondering about using horse paste or my preferred 1% liquid, read the comments at January 20, 2022 01:44 PM (/6kZi)

149 If they want me to take the vaccine, then they need to start acting like it works. I get vaccinated and can still have to wear a mask in public, social distance and all that other nonsense. If it works, it's unnecessary. It doesn't work. It gave some protection against the early variants, but we're down to 15% effectiveness now.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at January 20, 2022 01:45 PM (5HBd1)

150 What is ultimately more serious to your long-term health? Being fat, drinking, smoking, not exercising, not dealing with stress, and not eating sufficient healthy food. If you're not addressing those on your own, an experimental mRNA treatment isn't going to do much for you.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 20, 2022 01:45 PM (KAi1n)

151 Yes, but that isn't a vaccine and a vaccine is *the* answer. The only answer. No other answer exists. No other conditions requiring a different answer exist. Of those in government and other mega-institutions who are even capable of acknowledging that they're monomaniacal and other answers might exist, they have far too many vested interests to pursue it. The rest of them aren't even capable of grokking the point.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 20, 2022 01:40 PM (DU+/6)

That concept does exist in MANY other places in medicine - for my blood cancer, it's "watch and wait" or "immuno/chemotherapy" - no doc will tell you to do ANYTHING in watch and wait except to go in for blood checks. I made life changes, food changes, sleep changes, and supplementation based on long-term internet survivors of my disease who had good research and knowledge on the subject. Now, my doc, after 18 months of little cancer advancement for something that was supposed to go bonkers, is recording all of what I'm doing and telling me to keep it up...but that's reactive medicine, not proactive...

So, for me, this isn't new...

Posted by: Nova local at January 20, 2022 01:45 PM (exHjb)

152 Fauci belongs in prison. That corrupt SOB and his NIH colleagues screwed around with the definition of "gain of function" so that they could fund the Chicoms' evil experiments with bat viruses without technically running afoul of the prohibition against funding "gain of function" experiments.

There is no excuse for what they did. They knew how dangerous these experiments could be for the world's population, and yet they deliberately funded them with our money, in inadequate and insecure Chinese labs, because they're evil and stupid and corrupt people.

They should not be permitted to avoid responsibility for what they did, simply because they played words games with the definition of "gain of function."

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at January 20, 2022 01:45 PM (k4dH2)

153 Pig Pharma doesn't care. Wants you vaxxed anyway. For the money.

Posted by: askada at January 20, 2022 01:45 PM (9ejSY)

154 7girl looks like she got the Fauci crud. Hopefully our preparations help. So far so good.

Posted by: 7man at January 20, 2022 01:45 PM (uJBdg)

155 I've maintained that since Feb 2020 I've been vaccinated by the actual virus.

Posted by: f'd at January 20, 2022 01:45 PM (vrz2I)

156 Yes, official US protocol is to have you do absolutely nothing but go home until you can't breathe on your own, and then come into the hospital for the coup de grace, which also happens to give the facility a nice payout in reward for your death.

Robert Malone has posted a photo of the what is claimed to be the Uttar Pradesh coof at-home care kit (it's near the bottom of this post):
https://is.gd/MjxqCo

The Bad Cat has a good meme about this:
https://is.gd/Px7rti

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at January 20, 2022 01:45 PM (Ls4Qw)

157 "The greatest scandal is the federal seizure of the monoclonal antibody supplies. Now, very few people can even find monoclonals. "

Another argument in support of my position.
They want a lot of us dead.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 20, 2022 01:45 PM (jTmQV)

158 138 Stern is fundamentally unserious.
Posted by: That one guy what says fundamentally unserious about everything at January 20, 2022 01:43 PM (AD14M)

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About 6-7 years ago he decided to become "serious", which ironically made him unserious. Gone were the strippers and porn stars, replaced by left wing political rants.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 20, 2022 01:46 PM (OalnH)

159 Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 20, 2022 01:41 PM (OalnH)

Lots of great old O & A shows on the yootoobs.

This is one of my favorites, with Jimmy Norton:

https://tinyurl.com/2p9d8asa

The "Birds are oil thieves" bit is one of those "I'm going to hell for laughing my ass off at that" moments!

I grew up listening to Opie when he was the overnight DJ on Buffalo's 103.3 The Edge. When O & A hit big, I was like, "How many Opies are there in radio?" It was the same Ope.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at January 20, 2022 01:46 PM (njfCw)

160 As I understand it, the people most immune to Covid are old drunks and crying babies!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2022 01:46 PM (Irn0L)

161 Have they created an Anthony Fauci voodoo doll yet? I'd like to jab it repeatedly.

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at January 20, 2022 01:46 PM (a4EWo)

162 158 About 6-7 years ago he decided to become "serious", which ironically made him unserious. Gone were the strippers and porn stars, replaced by left wing political rants.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 20, 2022 01:46 PM (OalnH)

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Shortly before he died, Ebert said that Stern was a more positive contribution to culture than Rush.

And this was before Stern's turn to "serious".

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 20, 2022 01:46 PM (LvTSG)

163 This is not about public health.

US deaths per million - 2,638
India deaths per million - 348

All on Fauci's watch.

Posted by: Deep State 910 at January 20, 2022 01:46 PM (aX0CW)

164 I'm really worried that the vaxx might lower immunity

Its pretty well known and understood to take place. Temporarily, at least. This isn't an obscure or theoretical thing.

The denial of these therapeutics to a lot of patients and sick people is nothing short of murder.

It absolutely is, and the reasoning behind it makes this even more evil. Money and power, and not caring who pays the price.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 20, 2022 01:46 PM (KZzsI)

165 134 If you were over 65 with comorbidities, you needed the vax.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 20, 2022 01:43 PM (F4b8f)

More specifically, if you are that, or you fall into immunocompromised categories where they already give you all the specific 50+ and 65+ vaccines, you needed the vax.

Posted by: Nova local at January 20, 2022 01:46 PM (exHjb)

166 Glenn Beck had Kim Iverson on his show today.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 20, 2022 01:47 PM (63Dwl)

167 You can take my apple flavored horse paste from my alive, warm hands.

Posted by: Capital Eff at January 20, 2022 01:47 PM (GYllL)

168 I think many of you are greatly, greatly overestimating the risks from the vaccine, which are small, while greatly, greatly underestimating the risks from covid.

covid does not automatically kill you but as we just sadly learned, yes, it does kill people.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 01:40 PM (0G13K)

I'm not particularly against the vaccine. I am against being lied to, of course. But my Dad had a serious reaction to the vaccine and I'm not inclined to get it because I had covid and am genetically similar to my Dad.

What bugs the bejeezus out of me is trying to give the vaccine to small children or pregnant women. I just hope that there aren't bad consequences to that later and don't believe anyone who tries to say that we *know*. I've been pregnant four times and doctors don't give you ANYTHING when you're pregnant even if it's proven safe for literally everyone. And suddenly no one is worried about pregnant women, babies, and little kids?

All it takes is one lie. And Fauci has told more than one lie.

Posted by: Synova at January 20, 2022 01:47 PM (BD/yx)

169 After the Air Florida disaster in 1981 (1982?), Howard Stern, then a local shock-jock, called Air Florida, on the air, and requested a ticket to the 14th Street Bridge. That's all you need to know about him. (One of my high school classmates lost her father in that crash.)

Posted by: SFGoth at January 20, 2022 01:47 PM (KAi1n)

170 covid does not automatically kill you but as we just sadly learned, yes, it does kill people.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 01:40 PM (0G13K)


Yes it does... RIP OM... I'm still so upset over it... Is this the wrong time to ask if he was vaxed ?

Posted by: It's me donna at January 20, 2022 01:47 PM (TdaKq)

171 We are witnessing evil, in Real Time.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 20, 2022 01:47 PM (oHd/0)

172
Fauci needs to swing.

Oh, wait, he's done that already when he cruised gay bathhouses and other dens on iniquity during the AIDS epidemic. That's another one of his glowing successes.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) [/s at January 20, 2022 01:47 PM (pNxlR)

173 Kim is pissed. Keep her away from the iron skillet.

Posted by: Kim's husband at January 20, 2022 01:48 PM (v0R5T)

174 129 119 I think many of you are greatly, greatly overestimating the risks from the vaccine, which are small, while greatly, greatly underestimating the risks from covid.


Incorrect. We don't KNOW what the risks are from the vaccine because the scientific establishment is incompetent liars. We know the spike protein is prothrombotic and pro inflammatory. There has not been an honest look at the repercussions of forcing cells to produce spike protein and release it into the bloodstream. No look at where reverse transcriptase might place the mRNA back into human DNA, and what effects it will have long term. That is why new drugs go through 5-10 years of testing. This vaccine got a couple weeks and was pushed on us.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 20, 2022 01:48 PM (F4b8f)

175 Kim Iverson's monologue was 100% on point and excellent. Highly recommend to listen to tge whole thing, including Robby Soave the lolbertarian's response that the solution is that people just need to get vaxxed. Even though she was talking about caring for a vaxxed person who was sick with the vid. What a clown.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at January 20, 2022 01:48 PM (rF64X)

176 Oh, can we also talk about how the official policy is that healthcare workers without the clot shot (who probably were already exposed to it and obtained that natural immunity) absolutely had to be fired, but those who took the clot shot and then got covid must come in to work while positive, because of the staffing shortages from firing the Unclean? Sounds like a bunch of extremely dangerous plague carriers to me!

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at January 20, 2022 01:48 PM (Ls4Qw)

177 "The Science" Sounds like the name of a professional wrestler. Do they still have midget wrestling?

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 20, 2022 01:48 PM (6liew)

178 Commies have never cared how many people die as long as they reach their goals.

For modern commies, a lot of deaths is a bonus, because they think the world is overpopulated, especially with pernicious honkeys.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 20, 2022 01:48 PM (KZzsI)

179 sure, pigs could fly out of my ass eating ham sandwiches first, but it could happen...
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at January 20, 2022


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Cannibal pigs? Is this immoral for pigs?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 20, 2022 01:48 PM (txdEq)

180 There is no excuse for listening to liars over and over again. Whatever Fauci says, he has flushed any semblance of credibility he once had almost two years ago. I would only consider the vaccine for people who are truly at risk (i.e., elderly and sick). Otherwise it just makes no sense from a risk/benefit perspective.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at January 20, 2022 01:48 PM (YQ4mh)

181 I think its way too obvious that the FDA is hopelessly compromised and controlled by Big Pharma now, if not for a long time.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 20, 2022 01:43 PM (KZzsI)

This is the root of the issue. I am pro-vaccine (voluntary only), but the disgusting revolving door between Pharma and the FDA makes me question the data they have submitted.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 20, 2022 01:49 PM (Q9lwr)

182 166 Glenn Beck had Kim Iverson on his show today.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 20, 2022 01:47 PM (63Dwl)

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Did he give her a teddy bear?

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 20, 2022 01:49 PM (OalnH)

183 They want a lot of us dead.
Posted by: gourmand du jour

The Power Satanists got infiltrated by the Apocalypse Satanists and while the former just want money and power the latter wants to kill everyone and destroy everything

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at January 20, 2022 01:49 PM (EGSGm)

184 18 The NCAA actually came out and said their new covid rules include those that have been infected and recovered will be considered "fully vaccinated."

We're ALMOST getting the wool removed.......
Posted by: Sponge - Remembering Oregon Muse
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And yet they also came out with "its ok to be a man and dress as a woman in order to win a track meet, swimming competition, etc."

Fuck em.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at January 20, 2022 01:49 PM (+ldAm)

185 Now they want to push tbe vax on 6 month olds when we don't fully know what it does to a fetus in utero, and what will happen to a baby when vaxxed after being exposed in utero. It is evil and criminal.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 20, 2022 01:49 PM (F4b8f)

186 Does the vaccine even work against Omicron?

Posted by: rd at January 20, 2022 01:49 PM (Z32m1)

187 @119

>>covid does not automatically kill you but as we just sadly learned, yes, it does kill people.

Sure, but we don't have enough information to evaluate this specific situation..

Was he vaxxed, was he boosted, how old was he, did he have any co-morbidities, what treatments did he receive if any, did he receive early treatments, what's listed as a cause of death and any other contributing factors (pnuomonia, sepsis, etc.

As has been said, the virus was real and particularly deadly to a very specific demographic, our response to it has been criminal.

And people need to be made to pay a very high price for the death and destruction they have wrecked upon the world.

Because I feel nothing but anger and rage at these monsters.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 20, 2022 01:49 PM (1EFK+)

188 119 I think many of you are greatly, greatly overestimating the risks from the vaccine, which are small, while greatly, greatly underestimating the risks from covid.

covid does not automatically kill you but as we just sadly learned, yes, it does kill people.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 01:40 PM (0G13K)

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There is absolutely zero reason for me to get jabbed so any risk at all is an unreasonable risk to be avoided. For those with comorbidities, maybe the jab helps minimize symptoms, but from what I've read, even that doesn't seem to be scientifically established.

Posted by: LASue at January 20, 2022 01:49 PM (Ed8Zd)

189 My body is a delicate balance of chemicals and I don't want to upset that.

Posted by: f'd at January 20, 2022 01:49 PM (vrz2I)

190 I've had 3 shots and COVID-19, so I'm super immune, ladies.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 20, 2022 01:49 PM (Yo4TX)

191 Iverson's got nice hooters.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 20, 2022 01:49 PM (II3Gr)

192 When Fauci passes, he won't be "burning in hell", he'll simply spend eternity consorting with Satan.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 20, 2022 01:49 PM (KATBx)

193 "Kim Iversen> Allen Iverson."


Allen Iverson> Fauci. While Iverson hated practice, he actually practiced. Fauci has never actually practiced medicine. But he's the nation's doctor?

Posted by: Wally at January 20, 2022 01:49 PM (FJYfm)

194 I might die from COVID.
I won't die from the vaccine.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - wondering about using horse paste or my preferred 1% liquid, read the comments at January 20, 2022 01:50 PM (/6kZi)

195 It's weird there are still arguments over vaccines. Even Pfizer says their vaccine does not prevent Omicron. I have read of no one saying the vax is even slightly effective against Omicron. So, the vaccine argument is passe, moot, yesterdays news.

The only point now is caring for those who are sick

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 20, 2022 01:50 PM (VMY76)

196 This was probably mentioned already but.....

Starbucks has announced it will no longer require its employees to be vaxxed OR tested.

That's pretty huge given how far left SBUX is as a company and its customers.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 20, 2022 01:50 PM (OalnH)

197 No look at where reverse transcriptase might place the mRNA back into human DNA, and what effects it will have long term.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 20, 2022 01:48 PM (F4b8f)

About that; all of the mechanisms suggested have been theoretical. There is no evidence that it happens.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 20, 2022 01:50 PM (Q9lwr)

198 I want to thank the Horde for being such a great resource during the plandemic and for being an island of sanity.

Because of you, my husband and I were able to find a suitable and relatively safe way to manage the risks. For all I know, the information so many shared saved our lives. (There's no way to know for sure, of course.)

If nothing else, it's been greatly reassuring that others detected the same manipulation attempts that we did.

Posted by: Emmie -- support your local Moron at January 20, 2022 01:50 PM (6RgRK)

199 It's been radiantly clear from Day One that "vaccination" is the only path we're being forced into. No other treatment allowed. It's amazing the people that can't see that.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 20, 2022 01:50 PM (sVtYq)

200 Cannibal pigs? Is this immoral for pigs?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 20, 2022 01:48 PM (txdEq)

Only the Jewish and Muslim ones.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 20, 2022 01:50 PM (6FeV1)

201 USA Today: NBC won't send sports announcing teams to 2022 Winter Olympics in Beijing due to COVID-19

"The Beijing model is going to be very similar to Tokyo in that the heartbeat of our Olympic operation will actually be in Stamford, Conn., at our NBC Sports headquarters. We'll have more personnel there than in the host city," said Molly Solomon, president and executive producer, NBC Olympics Production.

"With COVID's changing conditions and China's zero-tolerance policy, it's just added a layer of complexity to all of this so we need to make sure we can provide the same quality experience to the American viewers...."

Snowboarding analyst Todd Richards told USA TODAY Sports that NBC changed course this week over concerns about COVID-related restrictions.

"I think they were a little bit wary that if someone tested positive for COVID, the Chinese government basically takes you and sequesters you," he said. "NBC has no control, so they wanted to have more control over the situation."

Posted by: Hands at January 20, 2022 01:51 PM (786Ro)

202 I think many of you are greatly, greatly overestimating the risks from the vaccine, which are small, while greatly, greatly underestimating the risks from covid.

covid does not automatically kill you but as we just sadly learned, yes, it does kill people.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 01:40 PM (0G13K)

Because they aren't tracking the side effects. I had a relative, jabbed three times and out several days each time, talk to the doctor the last shot. Told relative the doctors have been told not to report side effects.

I'm glad it didn't effect you. But, that should be an individual choice. There's a reason athletes are dropping more than normal and there are spikes in heart problems.

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at January 20, 2022 01:51 PM (EpDzw)

203 Alex Berenson's latest substack entry brings up the next question that should be asked - will vaccines hinder the development of natural immunity post-infection? My immunology knowledge isn't that great, but this seems like a good question in light of all the mass vaccination campaigns.

Posted by: Thrawn at January 20, 2022 01:32 PM (Rl7KJ)

Karl Denninger had some UK stats 3-6 months ago that suggested that strongly. Basically testing was finding antibodies in an increasing portion of the population until the jab mandate was enacted, then despite a sizable outbreak, the portion of the population with natural antibodies flatlined. Meaning the jab prevents natural immunity.

Posted by: Methos at January 20, 2022 01:51 PM (kOpft)

204 I have a couple of friends who while not raw meat conservatives, are definitely center-right and generally sensible people. And they're all in on the vax, boosting and everything. It's sad to watch.

I think multiple things are at play. For some, they're confronting the notion of their own mortality and looking for a guarantee against it.

For others - it's more insidious. They view the vax as the ticket to normalcy. If everyone will just take the vax, if they want it or not, we can all go back to normal.

That second group is the real danger. They're useful idiots, doing every thing they can to coerce everyone around them to giving in to the demands of what's become clinical terrorism. And they're fools - because they refuse to see that the demands will never end.

First it was masks. Then it was shots. It'll always be something afterwards. That's how this game works.

Posted by: Always Watching at January 20, 2022 01:51 PM (fBj4U)

205 I've maintained that since Feb 2020 I've been vaccinated by the actual virus.
Posted by: f'd
Word.
Aside from the physical risks, such as they are or aren't, the crushing mental ailments the Rona has triggered in many of our fellow citizens is the greater tragedy.
The inconsistent and panicked decisions normally balanced people have selected has, and will continue, to be with our country for decades.
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As I understand it, the people most immune to Covid are old drunks and crying babies!
Posted by: Nevergiveup

Thus my wife's contention that I am totally immune!

Posted by: Tonypete at January 20, 2022 01:51 PM (mD/uy)

206 Iverson's got nice hooters.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 20, 2022 01:49 PM (II3Gr)
.......

All jiggly when she's mad.

Posted by: wth at January 20, 2022 01:51 PM (v0R5T)

207 164 I'm really worried that the vaxx might lower immunity

Its pretty well known and understood to take place. Temporarily, at least. This isn't an obscure or theoretical thing.

Yes, that's one of the reasons they say it's 2 weeks for positive effect - partly, it's b/c it drags down your immune response to other things for that 2 weeks b/c you are effectively already battling the vaccine...and your immune system can only battle so much at once...

But this is the case for many vaccines - it's why you should also try to get your flu shot done 2 weeks before there's any widespread flu in your area...same reason...

Posted by: Nova local at January 20, 2022 01:51 PM (exHjb)

208 About that; all of the mechanisms suggested have been theoretical. There is no evidence that it happens.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

**

Long term, that really sums up both sides of the issue, doesn't it?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - wondering about using horse paste or my preferred 1% liquid, read the comments at January 20, 2022 01:51 PM (/6kZi)

209 And Ace, I'm sorry but you are wrong.

Here's how Dr Malone got red pilled. Read How Bad is my Batch

https://bit.ly/3Af1cGA

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at January 20, 2022 01:51 PM (5HBd1)

210 >>>Cannibal pigs? Is this immoral for pigs?

>Mama Pig almost always eats the runt of the litter. Somehow, Dr. Fauci escaped.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 20, 2022 01:52 PM (6liew)

211 186 Does the vaccine even work against Omicron?
Posted by: rd at January 20, 2022 01:49 PM (Z32m1)

Based on the case #s we are seeing, the answer is no, at least not working as a trad vaccine. Does it help lower symptoms reduce hospital stays? Unknown at this point.

Main point - all the people appear to be getting this strain. Case positivity rate in my county is at ~ 25%, and this is in my states biggest city, so, ya know, nice and blue (assuming that means high vax rate).

Posted by: DoublySymmetric (iPad) at January 20, 2022 01:52 PM (TDj17)

212 I think many of you are greatly, greatly overestimating the risks from the vaccine, which are small, while greatly, greatly underestimating the risks from covid.

Here's the thing ace. We don't really know either. We don't have hard, reliable data from a trustworthy source. The CDC lies about who dies from/with the Wuhan Flu. How many have died that would not have without it? Who knows??? They keep changing the numbers and definitions.

And we get almost no real reliable information about side effects or deaths from the various shots. There aren't major, published, reliable studies. That data is suppressed because they fear it will panic people. Is it deadly or not? Is it as dangerous as the Wuhan Flu or not? we do not have the data to make that decision.

At the very least, it appears that its dangerous past the threshold that is ordinarily used to ban or recall a drug.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 20, 2022 01:52 PM (KZzsI)

213 Plus, there are options beyond the jab that have been suppressed.

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at January 20, 2022 01:52 PM (EpDzw)

214 This is the root of the issue. I am pro-vaccine (voluntary only), but the disgusting revolving door between Pharma and the FDA makes me question the data they have submitted.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 20, 2022 01:49 PM (Q9lwr)


Russell Brand has some great videos on this. It would be shocking stuff if I were capable of being shocked, which I guess I'm not anymore.

Posted by: LASue at January 20, 2022 01:52 PM (Ed8Zd)

215 And yet they also came out with "its ok to be a man and dress as a woman in order to win a track meet, swimming competition, etc."

Fuck em.
Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at January 20, 2022 01:49 PM (+ldAm)


In fairness, the NCAA will also let you be a woman and dress as a man to win a track meet or swimming competition.
Strange how that never happens, though.

Posted by: Wally at January 20, 2022 01:52 PM (FJYfm)

216 I occurs to me that my BP was under control with meds when I got J& J
after a couple of months it started becoming erratic
Probably coincidence but maybe not who knows

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at January 20, 2022 01:52 PM (EGSGm)

217 Use nasal disinfectant and gargle frequently. Take Quercitrin, Zinc, Vitamin D. Get a Doxy supply, if you can persuade a doctor to give it to you (it helped me). I have no idea about Ivermectin, but since it can't hurt you, why not get some?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 20, 2022 01:52 PM (VMY76)

218 well i'm pro-vax. I had no side-effects, apart from the "flu-like symptoms" for 24 hours and the ache in the arm they warned me about, which I think you get with any flu-type vaccine.

I think many of you are greatly, greatly overestimating the risks from the vaccine, which are small, while greatly, greatly underestimating the risks from covid.
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 01:40 PM (0G13K)

and i'm glad you evaluated the options and determined that the vax was correct for you. as a covid recovery, i don't think i need the vax. I've got natural immunity.

and this study helps put more weight on that. the issue is, we've never gotten a straight answer from the govt on actual benefits v risks in this. as you noted, it's been NOTHING but get the vax, period. that's it. nothing else.

and if you happen to get sick after you have the vax, just hope you don't get too sick, seems to be the treatment...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at January 20, 2022 01:52 PM (8D42x)

219 So, Star Trek...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 20, 2022 01:52 PM (LvTSG)

220
VAED - Vaccine-associated enhanced disease was evident in every animal study of vaccines for more than a decade of research into covid type viruses. No animal studies this time, because no time.

But this time was different, right? This time they got it right. Bullshit.

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at January 20, 2022 01:52 PM (dQvv7)

221 Until this last strain, the chance of getting the coof were still pretty low. So while the risk of death may be underestimated by some, the actual risk = risk if death if infected x risk of getting infected.

If you get jabbed, the risk of getting the vaccine is near 100%

- Plus, risk of vaccine was mostly unknown 1 year ago, and with data it is clear that the vaccines are *mostly* safe for adults.

- Plus the fact that the gov. was not following science in any area so the prudent thing to do was not trust them. I don't and never will after this fiasco. So a lot of reluctance to trust the vaccine stems from all the lies and how do we know what is coming next.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 20, 2022 01:52 PM (YGkPn)

222 In OM's covid post, I believe he mentioned he was vaxxed.

Posted by: lizabth at January 20, 2022 01:53 PM (L3Rsz)

223 "I think many of you are greatly, greatly overestimating the risks from the vaccine, which are small, while greatly, greatly underestimating the risks from covid."

I'm relatively young and healthy. I had Covid, it was nothing. My risk from it, should I get it again is virtually zero. So even if the vax has a very small risk, why take on that risk in order to prevent an even smaller risk? That's my calculation. everyone's mileage may vary of course.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 20, 2022 01:53 PM (OalnH)

224 Starbucks has announced it will no longer require its employees to be vaxxed OR tested.

That's pretty huge given how far left SBUX is as a company and its customers.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 20, 2022 01:50 PM (OalnH)

I suspect is it more of an illustration of the labor shortage and the age of the employees that apply. Healthy 20-somethings figure they don't need the vax.

Posted by: Deep State 910 at January 20, 2022 01:53 PM (aX0CW)

225 Want to have some fun?

Go to the official website that tracks reported adverse side effects and reaction from medications.

Do the COVID shots, and do Ivermectin.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - wondering about using horse paste or my preferred 1% liquid, read the comments at January 20, 2022 01:53 PM (/6kZi)

226 Just like with the Islamists, it is important to listen to the Davos crowd. Because they aren't hiding anything. They are telling us what they want to do. The problem is what they are saying is so ugly, we don't believe them.
They are saying the present human population is like a cancer, a threat to the earth. They think the ideal population for the earth is about a half a million.
Don't take MY word for it, listen to what they say, on their Ted talks, etc. For the last 20 years they've been saying this. Now they are doing something about it.
They want a lot of us dead.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 20, 2022 01:53 PM (jTmQV)

227 222 In OM's covid post, I believe he mentioned he was vaxxed.
Posted by: lizabth at January 20, 2022 01:53 PM (L3Rsz)

Thank you...

Posted by: It's me donna at January 20, 2022 01:53 PM (TdaKq)

228 Does the vaccine even work against Omicron?
Posted by: rd at January 20, 2022 01:49 PM (Z32m1)
.........

No.
6 people got it in my immediate family, all vaccinated.
Everybody is now fine.

Posted by: wth at January 20, 2022 01:53 PM (v0R5T)

229 Since it is against the law to use experimental vaccines when there is a known treatment option (mono-c-antibodies), they have to restrict these medical care options. It's evil for profit.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 20, 2022 01:53 PM (coYBh)

230 I'm not anti vax. Between being a boomer and military service, I'm vaxxed, baby.

I'm against this shot and boosters because they haven't been properly tested and we have a lot of evidence that have some really bad reactions and long term major negative health impacts.

Posted by: Archer at January 20, 2022 01:53 PM (gmo/4)

231 So, How about those Mariners.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 20, 2022 01:53 PM (W2Pud)

232 231 So, How about those Mariners.
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 20, 2022 01:53 PM (W2Pud)

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Already out of contention.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 20, 2022 01:54 PM (LvTSG)

233 kid was vaxxed and boosted and still got delta. our family came to a grinding halt because the health dept was involved trying to micromange us. scratchy throat, sniffles were only symptoms
Posted by: nckate at January 20, 2022


***
That's why I told absolutely NO ONE at work that Miss Linda was down with a cold. They'd have squealed to the 'Rona Gestapo, "Contact Tracing" (can ya believe it?), and that bunch would have sent me home for 5 days.

They send me home for this craziness, and I'm not doing a lick of work.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 20, 2022 01:54 PM (txdEq)

234 >>Iverson's got nice hooters.

When does Beck offer her a job?

Posted by: Capital Eff at January 20, 2022 01:54 PM (GYllL)

235 @186

>>Does the vaccine even work against Omicron?

Based on their own data and numbers the answer is no.

There is a reason why we have never developed a vaccine or treatment for these types of respiratory viruses, they mutate in profile and modulate on the RBD to have any sort of efficacious vaccine to fight them.

And these vaccine's simply do not work and never worked.

And any amelioration we've seen is simply through the natural evolution of attenuation of viruses as they circulate through populations.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 20, 2022 01:54 PM (1EFK+)

236 Just the tip>minor incursion

Posted by: Chinaacid at January 20, 2022 01:54 PM (3Vha/)

237 What bugs the bejeezus out of me is trying to give the vaccine to small children or pregnant women. I just hope that there aren't bad consequences to that later and don't believe anyone who tries to say that we *know*. I've been pregnant four times and doctors don't give you ANYTHING when you're pregnant even if it's proven safe for literally everyone. And suddenly no one is worried about pregnant women, babies, and little kids?

All it takes is one lie. And Fauci has told more than one lie.
Posted by: Synova at January 20, 2022 01:47 PM (BD/yx)

Yep, plain evil. After calling it a conspiracy theory, they finally admitted that it affects women's menstrual cycles, even causing periods in women who have undergone menopause. But it's still ok to take!

Naomi Wolf, who has been against the coronatarian insanity from the get go, was discussing this some months ago with Eric Metaxas.

I was reading a Twitter thread were loads of women were talking about the disruption of their cycles, sometimes lasting many months (some had still not recovered), and there were folks talking about suspicious miscarriages in vaxxed women.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at January 20, 2022 01:54 PM (rF64X)

238 164 I'm really worried that the vaxx might lower immunity

--
I meant long term
Is the vaxx making people sicker when they catch omicron six months later?

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at January 20, 2022 01:54 PM (EGSGm)

239

It starts with a slight fever and dryness of the throat. When the virus penetrates the red blood cells, the victim becomes dizzy, begins to experience an itchy rash, then the poison goes to work on the central nervous system, severe muscle spasms followed by the inevitable drooling. t this point, the entire digestive system collapses accompanied by uncontrollable flatulence. Until finally, the poor bastard is reduced to a quivering wasted piece of jelly.

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at January 20, 2022 01:54 PM (XnbJC)

240 And fuck all y'all talking about OMs vaccination status.


Just. Fuck. You.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 20, 2022 01:54 PM (W2Pud)

241 Stern has become an ultra Karen. He's been in hiding at his Hamptons palace for 2 years screaming about the unvaxxed and unmasked. Sometimes I think it's an act.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 20, 2022 01:36 PM (OalnH)


Next -

Collecting and keeping his urine in jam jars.

Collecting and keeping his fingernails and toenails.

Walking around with his feet in empty Kleenex boxes.

Jacking off with GoJo.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 20, 2022 01:55 PM (OMayC)

242 > I think many of you are greatly, greatly overestimating the risks from the vaccine, which are small, while greatly, greatly underestimating the risks from covid.

The risks of Covid seem to be fairly easy to estimate based on one's age and health. I've had cancer, and I'm not fit, but I'm fairly young. I chose to get the initial two vaccinations, then I got Covid. I feel that the natural immunity from that has me all set. I'm done. No boosters or anything.

I'm aggressively against vaccinating my six year old son. He's had Covid. He's at very low risk of any further issue with Covid.

As far as the risks of the vaccine, we don't really know. For a long time, they said it was a myth that it was messing with women's periods, but now it's accepted fact. It seems like some healthy athletes are dropping dead, but I have no idea if the number is out of the ordinary or not. It seems to be accepted fact that young men are at high risk of heart issues with two shots, but not much at one.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 20, 2022 01:55 PM (AhhdW)

243 I'm not anti vax. Between being a boomer and military service, I'm vaxxed, baby.

I'm against this shot and boosters because they haven't been properly tested and we have a lot of evidence that have some really bad reactions and long term major negative health impacts.
Posted by: Archer

And the FDA-approved version is still not available in the US, I believe. Commirnaty.

Posted by: lizabth at January 20, 2022 01:55 PM (L3Rsz)

244 You know you're getting old when all of the counterculture icons you grew up with are now lickspittle toadies of The Man.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at January 20, 2022 01:55 PM (Ls4Qw)

245 I can track my UPS delivery truck on a real time map but he's been at a house about 1/4 mile away for about 45 minutes. I wonder what's going on over there.

Posted by: f'd at January 20, 2022 01:55 PM (vrz2I)

246 Until finally, the poor bastard is reduced to a quivering wasted piece of jelly.

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at January 20, 2022 01:54 PM (XnbJC)

So, Biden.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 20, 2022 01:56 PM (II3Gr)

247 s weird there are still arguments over vaccines. Even Pfizer says their vaccine does not prevent Omicron. I have read of no one saying the vax is even slightly effective against Omicron. So, the vaccine argument is passe, moot, yesterdays news.

The only point now is caring for those who are sick
Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 20, 2022 01:50 PM (VMY76)

great point.

Posted by: LASue at January 20, 2022 01:56 PM (Ed8Zd)

248 I think many of you are greatly, greatly overestimating the risks from the vaccine, which are small, while greatly, greatly underestimating the risks from covid.

covid does not automatically kill you but as we just sadly learned, yes, it does kill people.
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 01:40 PM (0G13K)

With all due respect...

No one knows the full risks of the effects of the "vaccine", the required trials have not been done, or have not been run long enough to make such a pronouncement.

The risks from the Chinese Lung Rot are known, and the steps taken to "save us" from this disease are worse than the disease in every way.

And yes CLR does kill people...people we love. And perhaps the use of known therapeutics at every stage of the illness would have prevented many of these needless deaths!

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at January 20, 2022 01:56 PM (BgMrQ)

249 Just. Fuck. You.
Posted by: nurse ratched

Settle. Someone asked, someone answered.

Posted by: lizabth at January 20, 2022 01:56 PM (L3Rsz)

250 If you're elderly and have a pre-existing medical condition especially one that effects your lungs, get the shots. If your young and healthy I'd pass on them.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 20, 2022 01:56 PM (Yo4TX)

251 What bugs the bejeezus out of me is trying to give the vaccine to small children or pregnant women.

**

The one for little kids was never tested at all, either. Not one instance. Some representative screwed up and admitted it on a video conference. Something like "we assume the reactions will be the same."

Put this in your kids, everyone.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - wondering about using horse paste or my preferred 1% liquid, read the comments at January 20, 2022 01:56 PM (/6kZi)

252 228 Does the vaccine even work against Omicron?
Posted by: rd at January 20, 2022 01:49 PM (Z32m1)
.........

Doesn't seem to.. MY SIL's work all got it except him... He was not vaxed, they all were but he had covid in May... A nasty case... This is the second time there has been cases at his job and he hasn't gotten it...

Posted by: It's me donna at January 20, 2022 01:56 PM (TdaKq)

253 I occurs to me that my BP was under control with meds when I got J& J
after a couple of months it started becoming erratic
Probably coincidence but maybe not who knows
Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at January 20, 2022 01:52 PM (EGSGm)

My 75+ mother had the same problem and declined the booster.

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at January 20, 2022 01:56 PM (EpDzw)

254 I think many of you are greatly, greatly overestimating the risks from the vaccine, which are small, while greatly, greatly underestimating the risks from covid.

covid does not automatically kill you but as we just sadly learned, yes, it does kill people.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 01:40 PM (0G13K)

IMO jury is still out on that. Cancer rates are up according to many doctors, but the data is 'unavailable' at the CDC website. All data on death seems to end in 2018... except or course the inflated death with covid numbers.

Anecdotally, Mom was a breast Cancer survivor, Cancer free for 4 years... then shots... then 6 months later had cancer in 4 places in her body. Odd coincidence.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 20, 2022 01:56 PM (oHd/0)

255 About that; all of the mechanisms suggested have been theoretical. There is no evidence that it happens.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

That is what long term studies are for.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 20, 2022 01:56 PM (F4b8f)

256 Already out of contention.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 20, 2022 01:54 PM (LvTSG)

In their defense, everyone is already out of contention, at least until they get this labor issue figured out.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric (iPad) at January 20, 2022 01:56 PM (TDj17)

257 Incorrect. We don't KNOW what the risks are from the vaccine because the scientific establishment is incompetent liars. We know the spike protein is prothrombotic and pro inflammatory. There has not been an honest look at the repercussions of forcing cells to produce spike protein and release it into the bloodstream. No look at where reverse transcriptase might place the mRNA back into human DNA, and what effects it will have long term. That is why new drugs go through 5-10 years of testing. This vaccine got a couple weeks and was pushed on us.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy
_____________

Yep, it's going to be years before we know the actual risks from the vaccine (that's assuming the corrupt medical establishment/government cabal will even let us know this), and by then it's going to be far too late for many people.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at January 20, 2022 01:56 PM (k4dH2)

258 sponge. Not sure if someone ahead of me said this but the NCAA of previous chinese lung rot infestation is only for 90 days. That means I couldn't compete since mine was one year ago. And I'm a old and a klutz so mostly that.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 20, 2022 01:56 PM (2NHgQ)

259 It makes my blood boil.


Fuck
You for politicizing OMs death from covid.

Fuck off. You're worse than the covid Karens.


Posted by: nurse ratched at January 20, 2022 01:57 PM (W2Pud)

260 I think many of you are greatly, greatly overestimating the risks from the vaccine, which are small,

The chart of VAERS reports when *these* jabs were rolled out (and we shouldn't call them vaccines because they are not vaccines) basically goes asymptotic.

That makes it very difficult to "overestimate" than danger from the jab.

Let's see what the first (big) part of the FDA's pfizer casualty data shows on the 30th.

Posted by: Methos at January 20, 2022 01:57 PM (kOpft)

261 There was another story out yesterday about an unexplained 40% increase in deaths among 18-49 year-olds. Most of the increase cannot be attributed to Covid.

I have no idea whether this is true or not, but life insurance rates should tell us definitively very soon. Any life insurance company that doesn't respond to such a fundamental actuarial change won't be in business for long.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at January 20, 2022 01:57 PM (sWM8x)

262 Settle. Someone asked, someone answered.
Posted by: lizabth at January 20, 2022 01:56 PM (L3Rsz)

I asked

Posted by: It's me donna at January 20, 2022 01:57 PM (TdaKq)

263 Allen Iverson> Fauci. While Iverson hated practice, he actually practiced. Fauci has never actually practiced medicine. But he's the nation's doctor?

Posted by: Wally at January 20, 2022 01:49 PM (FJYfm)

We're talkin about practice?

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at January 20, 2022 01:57 PM (CjHGv)

264 245 I can track my UPS delivery truck on a real time map but he's been at a house about 1/4 mile away for about 45 minutes. I wonder what's going on over there.
Posted by: f'd at January 20, 2022 01:55 PM (vrz2I)

Check pron Hub tomorrow.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 20, 2022 01:57 PM (oHd/0)

265 It starts with a slight fever and dryness of the throat. When the virus penetrates the red blood cells, the victim becomes dizzy, begins to experience an itchy rash, then the poison goes to work on the central nervous system, severe muscle spasms followed by the inevitable drooling. t this point, the entire digestive system collapses accompanied by uncontrollable flatulence. Until finally, the poor bastard is reduced to a quivering wasted piece of jelly.

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at January 20, 2022 01:54 PM (XnbJC)


LOL, hubs is literally watching that right now.

Posted by: Jordan61 at January 20, 2022 01:57 PM (Ez6QX)

266 I can track my UPS delivery truck on a real time map but he's been at a house about 1/4 mile away for about 45 minutes. I wonder what's going on over there.
Posted by: f'd at January 20, 2022 01:55 PM (vrz2I)

Paolo, he drive for UPS.

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at January 20, 2022 01:58 PM (EpDzw)

267 And the FDA-approved version is still not available in the US, I believe. Commirnaty.

**

That would probably compromise the Emergency Use Authorization and open the door to lawsuits before they've got protection via getting it on the kids vaccination schedule for schools.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - wondering about using horse paste or my preferred 1% liquid, read the comments at January 20, 2022 01:58 PM (/6kZi)

268 No. Not settle

This is fucked up.

Drop it. Fuck you for asking. And fuck you for answering.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 20, 2022 01:58 PM (W2Pud)

269
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 20, 2022 01:54 PM (W2Pud)

Who do you think you are?
Take a break from spewing bile at the rest of us.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 20, 2022 01:58 PM (zu30u)

270 >>245 I can track my UPS delivery truck on a real time map but he's been at a house about 1/4 mile away for about 45 minutes. I wonder what's going on over there.

Is his name Paolo?

Posted by: Capital Eff at January 20, 2022 01:58 PM (GYllL)

271 244 You know you're getting old when all of the counterculture icons you grew up with are now lickspittle toadies of The Man.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at January 20, 2022 01:55 PM (Ls4Qw)

Who ironically, now look like old women.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 20, 2022 01:58 PM (KbCG3)

272 Nurse Ratched, I want to apologize to you and Braenyard for my thoughtless question last night.

It was about my own anxiety like I posted upthread - didn't stop to think it would be taken politically

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at January 20, 2022 01:58 PM (EGSGm)

273
Starbucks has announced it will no longer require its employees to be vaxxed OR tested.

Do they make them wear masks?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 20, 2022 01:58 PM (63Dwl)

274 The dangers of the vax may be somewhat low, but previous vaccines were halted with much lower bad outcomes (or that is what I've read).

And of course the dangers are not yet well known, as this was rushed and pushed (for profit). The move to Vax all kids is insane/evil. Especially since longer term outcomes are unknown and kids will be around for the longest long term.

imo ONLY the higher risk people should have gotten the vax, or had it recommended as policy. Choice should be theirs, even then. (and I think bad outcomes were under reported, but hard to say for sure)

Posted by: illiniwek at January 20, 2022 01:58 PM (Cus5s)

275 NGU @ 160 - Very nice "Andromeda Strain" call out.

Posted by: butch at January 20, 2022 01:58 PM (cHvOo)

276 29 Fauci would have been a peer of Mengele. He has the same mindset.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 20, 2022 01:29 PM (NqZ29)

No effing way would Fauci be out in the elements selecting which direction the victims were to go, as they headed into the camp. He gets paid way too much to do that.

Posted by: Roy at January 20, 2022 01:58 PM (Ti+Tv)

277 And Ace, I'm sorry but you are wrong.

Here's how Dr Malone got red pilled. Read How Bad is my Batch

https://bit.ly/3Af1cGA
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at January 20, 2022 01:51 PM (5HBd1)


"According to the website above, the data reported in VAERS, reproduced on the site, show that adverse events triggered by Moderna batches have varied widely."

5% of the batches appear to have produced 90% of the adverse reactions

Some Moderna batches are associated with 50 x the number of deaths and disabilities compared to other batches.

Posted by: rd at January 20, 2022 01:59 PM (Z32m1)

278
sure, pigs could fly out of my ass eating ham sandwiches first, but it could happen...
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at January 20, 2022
***
Cannibal pigs? Is this immoral for pigs?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius


I read that as ham sandwiches that ate ass ... which may be true for some values of ham, especially the ones with an iridescent sheen.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) [/s at January 20, 2022 01:59 PM (pNxlR)

279 Its none of your fuckng business


Posted by: nurse ratched at January 20, 2022 01:59 PM (W2Pud)

280 If you get jabbed, the risk of getting the vaccine is near 100%

That's the other thing. You might get a slight exposure to the Wuhan Flu or avoid it entirely. But taking the shot you're fully exposed 100% of the time. So that has to be taken into consideration, as well.

The problem is that we're at a place and time where we cannot trust any of the official sources of information and cannot believe what they say about any of this.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 20, 2022 01:59 PM (KZzsI)

281 129 119 I think many of you are greatly, greatly overestimating the risks from the vaccine, which are small, while greatly, greatly underestimating the risks from covid.

Completely anecdotal but my fully vaxed cousin died from the Fauci flu. As CAT points out very few questions were addressed before the jab was imposed en masse. Vaers is a joke and a Columbia study indicates a 5% rate of serious reaction to the jab. I know personally more people sick post jab than unjabbed.

Posted by: 7man at January 20, 2022 01:59 PM (uJBdg)

282 They need that underage approval from the FDA. Then they can get on the required list for schools and such.

At that point they get full immunity from anyone no matter what age that gets a vaxx injury.

This is part of what this last push is all about.

I think there's going to be a big bomb of a revelation perhaps in Europe about how bad the vaccine is. This is why the sudden no longer distancing, mandates, masks in England by Johnson. He's gotten the word it's over and soon everyone will know it.

There's a video of a conversation in Britain by a patient asking a Dr. If they should take the vaxx and their cousin or daughter is supposed to get it the next day and the Dr. comes right out and says not to get another vaxx and the young girl as the vaccine is harmful and will be withdrawn soon.

Posted by: jakee308 at January 20, 2022 01:59 PM (eQvlh)

283 I planned for COVID.

I funded the creation of COVID

I blocked any investigations into the origin of COVID

I've done my best to ban any effective treatment of COVID.

I'm trying to force people to take a jab that does *NOTHING* for COVID, but does kill thousands.

And you people still...listen to me? You are really dumber then I thought.

Posted by: Tony Fauci at January 20, 2022 01:59 PM (ESjRY)

284 I want all the mother fucking information i can get about vaxxed, unvaxxed, symptoms, no symptoms, testing, science and whatever the fuck else. all so I can decide for myself what i do for myself. emotion plays no part in decision making for me

Posted by: nckate at January 20, 2022 01:59 PM (z5Nun)

285 I like the middle name of that reporter in the sidebar "Melanchthon". So that would be underground darkness right? Or maybe black dirt, something in that regards.

Parents must have been Lutherans.


Pretty metal of a name though. I'd listen to a Melanchthon band just from the name.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 20, 2022 01:59 PM (SXSmD)

286 My wife and I made the conscious adult decision to get vaccinated, and not fuck with a booster. We both still got Omicron anyway.

My kids will not be getting this vaccine. They're more likely to get hit by a meteorite while they're on the playground than to have serious complications from the vid, and we don't know shit about the long-term effects.

I would eat a bullet if it turned out that it sterilized my daughters or some other wacky shit.

Posted by: ballistic at January 20, 2022 02:00 PM (oXNqT)

287 They'll all retire with more money in the bank than I could ever dream of having.
Two America's.

Posted by: Bosk at January 20, 2022 02:00 PM (x6uUk)

288 "Is his name Paolo?
Posted by: Capital Eff"

He's still there! Takin' care of business.

Posted by: f'd at January 20, 2022 02:00 PM (vrz2I)

289 all of the "statistics" around young (under 60) healthy people are complete nonsense ... for those people doing nothing meant a 99.99% chance of survival and a 98%+ chance of not getting really sick (i.e. in hospital) ... there are so few actual cases that any statistic is almost useless ...
the interventions alone will kill 10 times the number of people in that group than the virus does ...

Posted by: The Dark Lord at January 20, 2022 02:00 PM (5cMUX)

290
Out: Underpants Gnome PROFIT!!!!!
In: Bossypants Gnome PROFIT!!!!!

Posted by: ShainS -- Beware the Branch Covidians at January 20, 2022 02:00 PM (5DSak)

291 OT
I went to wikipedia to see who this demi lovato person was. The article kept talking about how "they were hospitalized," and "criticism over their position."

I are confuse.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 20, 2022 02:00 PM (YGkPn)

292 He's still there! Takin' care of business.
Posted by: f'd at January 20, 2022 02:00 PM (vrz2I)

Every day

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 20, 2022 02:00 PM (II3Gr)

293 264 I wonder what's going on over there.

Whatever it is, I bet it's 20 bucks, same as in town.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at January 20, 2022 02:00 PM (njfCw)

294
redc14 died, now, too??

What's happening around here?


Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 20, 2022 02:00 PM (zu30u)

295 >>> 203 Alex Berenson's latest substack entry brings up the next question that should be asked - will vaccines hinder the development of natural immunity post-infection? My immunology knowledge isn't that great, but this seems like a good question in light of all the mass vaccination campaigns.

Posted by: Thrawn at January 20, 2022 01:32 PM (Rl7KJ)

Karl Denninger had some UK stats 3-6 months ago that suggested that strongly. Basically testing was finding antibodies in an increasing portion of the population until the jab mandate was enacted, then despite a sizable outbreak, the portion of the population with natural antibodies flatlined. Meaning the jab prevents natural immunity.
Posted by: Methos at January 20, 2022 01:51 PM (kOpft)

The Pfizer team was very interested in the subscription model of service.

Posted by: Bill Gates at January 20, 2022 02:01 PM (llON8)

296 The FDA wanted to slow roll release of Pfizer data for 75 years, folks.

But attorney Aaron Siri pushed back -- and a judge just ruled that FDA must disclose that data within the next eight months.

Bigger picture, Liar Tony Fauci and others have started to backpedal from their doom and gloom Covid stances over the last to weeks.

Something's up.

Posted by: callsign claymore at January 20, 2022 02:01 PM (wSv9N)

297 I work in drug development. Even before the election, I already decided I wouldn't take the vaccine until several years down the line because there needed to be time to understand the safety profile, and I felt my risk from covid was very low. But I thought it was probably a good idea for the elderly, sick, and people with preexisting conditions.

Now, with the fact that the public health establishment has been shown to be mostly trash and this mindless push for endless (unplanned) boosters, I don't plan on getting jabbed for this at any point.

And it's not a vaccine.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at January 20, 2022 02:01 PM (rF64X)

298 I are confuse.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 20, 2022 02:00 PM (YGkPn)

Demi Lovato - former hot chick.

Now: confused in the head, does not know what gender she is

Posted by: DoublySymmetric (iPad) at January 20, 2022 02:01 PM (TDj17)

299 We know that they do not allow the slightest treatment when you first get sick. Nothing is done to prevent the spread. It's all "stay home till your lips turn blue, then come to the hospital for remdesivir and a vent".They won't even recommend vitamin D and they've known for two years that vitamin D deficiency is a major factor in survival. They are still putting sick people in nursing homes.

If that doesn't convince you that they want people to die, I don't know what will.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at January 20, 2022 02:01 PM (5HBd1)

300
I want all the mother fucking information i can get about vaxxed, unvaxxed, symptoms, no symptoms, testing, science and whatever the fuck else. all so I can decide for myself what i do for myself. emotion plays no part in decision making for me

Posted by: nckate at January 20, 2022 01:59 PM


This. Protect yourself, protect your loved ones. Let the hysterical be hysterical and ignore them.

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at January 20, 2022 02:01 PM (dQvv7)

301 I think many of you are greatly, greatly overestimating the risks from the vaccine, which are small, while greatly, greatly underestimating the risks from covid.


EVERYONE will get COVID eventually*. Since the shot does NOT stop you from getting COVID, why on earth would you take it even if the risks are small - and note based on just the short term data we already have, they aren't.

* unless previous infection from Human Coronavirus 043 gives complete immunity

Posted by: 18-1 at January 20, 2022 02:02 PM (ESjRY)

302 Fuck off. You're worse than the covid Karens.


Posted by: nurse ratched

Whatevs.
Your hysteria is leading you to see things that are not there. No one is politicizing OM's death.

Posted by: lizabth at January 20, 2022 02:02 PM (L3Rsz)

303 >> Pardon my French, but what pissed me off the most about having covid was the lack of treatments or treatment plan.


THIS
Worse, my parents in their 80's had few options. My mom's doc prescribed steroids (which helped). Ny dad pulmonary specialist, who works out of a Denver hospital that specializes in pulmonary issues (people from all of over the West come to it), responded with a form email referring him to a CO monoclonal treatment scheduling center. When I finally got through, we were told there was a single appointment available to him in. . . Durango! (That's over 300 miles away over mountain passes, in January). When I told her that was not feasible she got all snooty and said "Well, since you are declining what I've offered you, you can go to this website and book your own appointment. When I asked how that would be any better, given she had not found a local appointment for us, she told me: well, people are making multiple appointments so you can just keep checking it for cancellations. Can you imagine? This is a scarce treatment (4-5 hrs total to administer) and they are letting people hog all of the appointments just like test hoarders.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 20, 2022 02:02 PM (URNdm)

304 266 And fuck all y'all talking about OMs vaccination status.

It's a data point, Karen. Calm down.
Posted by: Always Watching at January 20, 2022 01:57 PM (xTFXi)

Nothing good comes from asking the question b/c anecdotes are not data anyway. All the question does is attempt to sully a person in death (or question his acts), so yes, I agree with nurse...everyone should drop it. Immediately.

Posted by: Nova local at January 20, 2022 02:02 PM (exHjb)

305 Has anyone heard how bad the seasonal flu is this year?

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 20, 2022 02:02 PM (Fs5vw)

306 two weeks, rather

Posted by: callsign claymore at January 20, 2022 02:02 PM (wSv9N)

307 263 Allen Iverson> Fauci. While Iverson hated practice, he actually practiced. Fauci has never actually practiced medicine. But he's the nation's doctor?

Posted by: Wally at January 20, 2022 01:49 PM (FJYfm)

Iverson was better at his job.

Fauci has more job security and a greater pension.

Posted by: TC at January 20, 2022 02:02 PM (yu5nA)

308 Iverson nails it on the head.

It was crucial to get out the narrative of "Trump told us to eat fish cleaner" and "Trump told us horse de-wormer was the answer" so we were never allowed to ever even consider appropriate remedial treatments if we actually got Covid. It might, God forbid, break the narrative and that couldn't be allowed.

Blame: who knows? 50/30/20 Media/Democrats/Big Tech?

But of course, "Trump politicized the virus."

And here we are.

Posted by: RM at January 20, 2022 02:02 PM (U3LtS)

309 Whatevs.
Your hysteria is leading you to see things that are not there. No one is politicizing OM's death.
Posted by: lizabth at January 20, 2022 02:02 PM (L3Rsz)

We are mourning it

Posted by: It's me donna at January 20, 2022 02:02 PM (TdaKq)

310 Did Fauci really tell people to pray, because I think the only God Fauci believes in is himself?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 20, 2022 02:03 PM (DjDcn)

311 This black-haired girl in short shorts has no idea what's what and is just guessing based on her inherent distrust of a government that has been lying without even an accidental truth in the past two years:
https://is.gd/lySAjR

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 20, 2022 02:03 PM (DU+/6)

312 Hey guys, the vaccine is safe and effective!

Wait a minute...I don't remember any clouds in my hotel room and...what's this big pearly gate?

Posted by: Bob Saget at January 20, 2022 02:03 PM (ESjRY)

313 I think there's going to be a big bomb of a revelation perhaps in Europe about how bad the vaccine is. This is why the sudden no longer distancing, mandates, masks in England by Johnson. He's gotten the word it's over and soon everyone will know it.

I think it's going to be the FDA pfizer casualty data under FOIA. The stuff they want to dribble out over 75 years, which the judge ordered them to hand over in 8 month bites, the first of which is a week and a half away.

Posted by: Methos at January 20, 2022 02:03 PM (kOpft)

314 Did Fauci really tell people to pray, because I think the only God Fauci believes in is himself?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 20, 2022 02:03 PM (DjDcn)

Based on that shrine to himself he has in his office, I think you are correct.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 20, 2022 02:03 PM (II3Gr)

315
"Iverson was better at his job."

As a Sixers fan, this is perhaps the greatest understatement I have ever read here.

Posted by: RM at January 20, 2022 02:04 PM (U3LtS)

316 313 This black-haired girl in short shorts has no idea what's what and is just guessing based on her inherent distrust of a government that has been lying without even an accidental truth in the past two years:
https://is.gd/lySAjR
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 20, 2022 02:03 PM (DU+/6)

=======

What's she pointing at?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 20, 2022 02:04 PM (LvTSG)

317 All the question does is attempt to sully a person in death (or question his acts), so yes, I agree with nurse...everyone should drop it. Immediately.

Posted by: Nova local

I doubt Donna was sullying anything. But I am happy to drop it.

Posted by: lizabth at January 20, 2022 02:04 PM (L3Rsz)

318 312 Did Fauci really tell people to pray, because I think the only God Fauci believes in is himself?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 20, 2022 02:03 PM (DjDcn)

That's what he means.

"Our Fauci, who art in Washington,
Hollow be thy skull...."

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 20, 2022 02:04 PM (6FeV1)

319 Fauci funded the development of a virus and now controls the means to say what is a cure or preventative. He and his buddies getting super rich off of their evil creation. The blood from all those deaths is on his hands. Its weirdly like Chimera from Mission Impossible 2.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 20, 2022 02:05 PM (coYBh)

320 Dr. Peter McCullough was on Rogan a while back and he pointed out the insanity that they didn't have any early treatment protocols, like they weren't allowed to have any ETP's, it seemed. It was "pray" or come back and we'll stick you on a vent. He was naming names on places that should have been coming up with ETP and sharing them to assess what worked best.

Posted by: Fool Otto at January 20, 2022 02:05 PM (DB16e)

321 It might be best not to post someone else's private health information on a public website.

With the thousands of daily visitors to this bog it is like thousands of complete strangers listening every time you make a phone call.

Posted by: old chick at January 20, 2022 02:05 PM (sOete)

322
What a shitty backpedal by Ben.

"It's not like the origins of the virus. Or the level of contagion. Or the severity of infections. Or the number of cases. Or the efficacy of masking. Or the efficacy of lockdowns. Or the efficacy of treatment options. Or anything about COVID we've ever said.

In this one single instance, regarding the pre-Delta efficacy of the vaccines, we did not lie to you."

Pull the other one, Silky. It jingles.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 20, 2022 02:05 PM (4odx6)

323 The modeled, in a lab, what they thought the spike protein was. They used the model to guide their therapy so your body produced the spike protein. You mount a response to that protein. Theoretically you don't get sick. However, (this is just one) the spike protein is the one that mutates the fastest. You are only reacting to one protein, the in the shot, when you get a shot. In the wild, the spike protein mutates, a little, about once a day. So, as even they suspected, the vax isn't effective after awhile, because the spike protein looks different after mutating every day for a couple of months. Boosters use the same original spike protein model, thus not much of a boost, really.

So this is one of the reasons why they knew they weren't going to eradicate this thing with a shot, or 3. It is axiomatic that you can't vaccinate your way out of a respiratory corona virus. Remember flatten the curve? They were never going to eliminate it and they knew it. Once the money machine got turned on well it was game on.

Don't let em vac your kids for this. It is a very novel attempt at a type of gene based therapy. No clue on long term effects on kids.

Posted by: Imma let you finish at January 20, 2022 02:05 PM (wkoKN)

324 The pharmaceutical companies donate bigly to BOTH parties. Do the math.

Posted by: ... at January 20, 2022 02:06 PM (/9mpK)

325 284 I planned for COVID.
. I funded the creation of COVID
. I blocked any investigations into the origin of COVID
. I've done my best to ban any effective treatment of COVID.
. I'm trying to force people to take a jab that does *NOTHING* for COVID, but does kill thousands.
. And you people still...listen to me? You are really dumber then I thought.

Posted by: Tony Fauci at January 20, 2022 01:59 PM (ESjRY)
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We clearly haven't sacrificed enough children to you, Oh Great Godly SCIENCE!

Posted by: ShainS -- Beware the Branch Covidians at January 20, 2022 02:06 PM (aNxz1)

326 I planned for COVID.

I funded the creation of COVID

I blocked any investigations into the origin of COVID

And you people still...listen to me? You are really dumber then I thought.
Posted by: Tony Fauci at January 20, 2022 01:59 PM (ESjRY)

It really frosts me that the media keeps on fawning over him and putting a mic and camera in his face when he's one of the people responsible for covid.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at January 20, 2022 02:06 PM (rF64X)

327 Don't let em vac your kids for this. It is a very novel attempt at a type of gene based therapy. No clue on long term effects on kids.
Posted by: Imma let you finish at January 20, 2022 02:05 PM (wkoKN)

But how will they find out the long term effects if you don't let them experiment on your kids?

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 20, 2022 02:06 PM (II3Gr)

328
I think it's going to be the FDA pfizer casualty data under FOIA


The data they already had to drop showed a large number of deaths from their original trial.

Other studies have shown most people dying from the clot shot are falsely listed as dying from COVID.

So...perhaps some unwise Pfizer scientist put the actual death toll in plain text?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 20, 2022 02:06 PM (ESjRY)

329 covid has taught us we have no as in zero private health information

Posted by: nckate at January 20, 2022 02:06 PM (z5Nun)

330 324 It might be best not to post someone else's private health information on a public website.

Posted by: old chick at January 20, 2022 02:05 PM (sOete)

I have an enormous penis.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 20, 2022 02:06 PM (Y5qcH)

331 Yesterday, the Surgeon General of Florida, said that Fauci and company are "dehumanizing the population."

That's right, this is a crime against humanity.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 20, 2022 02:06 PM (EZebt)

332 Its worth considering that people who have gotten the shot, willingly or not, are nervous about it at some level because it is not clear whether the thing is really all that safe or effective.

If you were forced to get the shot or lose your job, at least some are going to be haunted by wondering whether that was such a good idea or not. I don't want to add to that anxiety or concern in any way.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 20, 2022 02:06 PM (KZzsI)

333 I want all the mother fucking information i can get about vaxxed, unvaxxed, symptoms, no symptoms, testing, science and whatever the fuck else. all so I can decide for myself what i do for myself. emotion plays no part in decision making for me
Posted by: nckate at January 20, 2022 01:59 PM (z5Nun)


No shit, I'd really like to know. TBH if I was 100% convinced of some sort of efficacy in the "vaccine" I'd be more inclined to take it. But it's like the abusive spouse who won't let you see your friends or family and promises not to beat you anymore in return. I tend to doubt it. Why are they refusing to do studies on HCQ or ivermectin or any of the other possible ways to go? We've had 2 years to have some pretty thorough reviews so I could decide.

Instead, the FBI goes after Project Veritas for recording one of Pfizer's own scientists saying that you're better protected with your own antibodies after having covid than the vaccine. Which uh, is everything we learned back when science was science? But they refuse to say something like "eat well, exercise and lose a few pounds" because that makes no sense whatsoever. Fuck clownworld.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 20, 2022 02:07 PM (wAnMi)

334 330 Don't let em vac your kids for this. It is a very novel attempt at a type of gene based therapy. No clue on long term effects on kids.
Posted by: Imma let you finish at January 20, 2022 02:05 PM (wkoKN)

But how will they find out the long term effects if you don't let them experiment on your kids?
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 20, 2022 02:06 PM (II3Gr)

It's like penguins getting in the water. You wait for someone else to be shoved off first so you can see whether it's safe.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 20, 2022 02:07 PM (z5Vrg)

335 >>It was crucial to get out the narrative of "Trump told us to eat fish cleaner" and "Trump told us horse de-wormer was the answer" so we were never allowed to ever even consider appropriate remedial treatments if we actually got Covid. It might, God forbid, break the narrative and that couldn't be allowed.


yup.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 02:07 PM (0G13K)

336 Ace is basically correct. There's a lot, a lot of very poor information on both sides of the vaccine question.

Your chances of either croaking from COVID or the vaccine are both very small.

However, IMHO opinion if you're, oh, say late 50s, over 60, you should probably take the vaccine and maybe the booster. If you're a fatty or have other issues, like say severe diabetes, you should take the vaccine.

Otherwise, you pays your money and you takes your chances. The young and healthy have very little to nothing to fear from COVID.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 20, 2022 02:07 PM (OMayC)

337 Posted by: Bob Saget

Well, it was either the jab or coke. Or fentanyl. Or all 3.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 20, 2022 02:07 PM (F4b8f)

338 328
.....
Don't let em vac your kids for this. It is a very novel attempt at a type of gene based therapy. No clue on long term effects on kids.
Posted by: Imma let you finish at January 20, 2022 02:05 PM (wkoKN)

I have a sneaking suspicion the dickweeds who've been pushing all this have a pretty good idea of the long-term effects.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 20, 2022 02:07 PM (llON8)

339 >>It was crucial to get out the narrative of "Trump told us to eat fish cleaner" and "Trump told us horse de-wormer was the answer" so we were never allowed to ever even consider appropriate remedial treatments if we actually got Covid. It might, God forbid, break the narrative and that couldn't be allowed.

Blame: who knows? 50/30/20 Media/Democrats/Big Tech?
- - -

Also: IIRC, CVS and Walgreens management decided/were pressured into(?) a policy that none of their pharmacies would fill prescriptions for HCQ or Ivermectin.

Also: Numerous stories about doctors who've been told they will be fired if they write prescriptions for these drugs, or those who have and then been punished.

This was an organized effort to eliminate all options from the marketplace except vaccines.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 20, 2022 02:07 PM (URNdm)

340 >>> redc14 died, now, too??
What's happening around here?
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 20, 2022 02:00 PM (zu30u)


The more you open your heart to the world the more loss you expose yourself to. We are all only just passing through here. Cherish deeply everyone you meet and love on this journey.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 20, 2022 02:08 PM (SXSmD)

341 284 I planned for COVID.
I funded the creation of COVID
I blocked any investigations into the origin of COVID
* * *
Yeah, Fauci didn't just block investigation into the origins of covid, he actively colluded with other scientists (whom he later approved for $20 million in government grants) to put out a false narrative about how the virus arose naturally.

Fauci directed scientists who had already told him that the evidenced pointed strongly to the virus being lab-created to write up a medical journal article saying just the opposite.

Those scientists wrote the article which came to be known as The Proximal Origins of the SARS CO-V-2 Virus in Nature magazine. The sent a draft of the article to Fauci for him to edit and approve before it was published.

After the Nature article was published, Fauci went on t.v. and was asked if the virus was lab created. Fauci said no, of course not, and he cited the Nature article as proof that the virus arose naturally. Fauci never mentioned his own prominent role in getting the Nature article written and published in the first place.

Fauci is a dangerous liar and fraud, in addition to being massively incompetent.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at January 20, 2022 02:08 PM (k4dH2)

342 It might be best not to post someone else's private health information on a public website.

With the thousands of daily visitors to this bog it is like thousands of complete strangers listening every time you make a phone call.
Posted by: old chick

We're in a BOG ?"

Posted by: JT at January 20, 2022 02:08 PM (arJlL)

343 Dr. Peter McCullough was on Rogan a while back and he pointed out the insanity that they didn't have any early treatment protocols, like they weren't allowed to have any ETP's, it seemed. It was "pray" or come back and we'll stick you on a vent. He was naming names on places that should have been coming up with ETP and sharing them to assess what worked best.
Posted by: Fool Otto at January 20, 2022 02:05 PM (DB16e)
++++
Yes. The lack of any early or outpatient treatment protocol has been a crime of unthinkable scale. What's worse than the absence of a formal protocol has been the demonization and punishment for anyone who tries to develop one or follow the information the have to make a decision. Want to try giving Ivermectin or HCQ to a patient? You can - but the pharmacist may not fill that prescription and you might be sanctioned by your state or hospital system or network.

Not only is there no formal protocol for early treatment (which is a problem, but not insurmountable), the formal protocol is "you shall do nothing and if you deviate, you will be punished." That's a much bigger problem than "no protocol."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 20, 2022 02:08 PM (DU+/6)

344 Now, with the fact that the public health establishment has been shown to be mostly trash and this mindless push for endless (unplanned) boosters, I don't plan on getting jabbed for this at any point.

And it's not a vaccine.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at January 20, 2022 02:01 PM (rF64X)
==================

Well said.

I was vaxxed in March and not boosted before getting covid. Right now, I go in once a month and have my antibodies tested because both of my daughters are scared of their babies getting covid and I'm not going to win any arguments with them. My plan is to get boosted when my antibodies begin to decline, if boosters help provide any protection. I hope to avoid mRNA shots, but will accept those if that is all that is available.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 20, 2022 02:08 PM (VMY76)

345 That's right, this is a crime against humanity.

We are seeing, in real time, why the Nuremberg code was written.

I'd like to ask the potential Republican presidential candidates if they'd be willing pass the Nuremberg code formally into American law.

Of course I'd also like us to jump right to Nuremberg style trials - since these are crimes against humanity there isn't a defense of "it was legal at the time"

Posted by: 18-1 at January 20, 2022 02:09 PM (ESjRY)

346 >>> 327
.....
But how will they find out the long term effects if you don't let them experiment on your kids?
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 20, 2022 02:06 PM (II3Gr)

We have to pass the bill to find out what's in it!!

Posted by: Nanzi Pelosi at January 20, 2022 02:09 PM (llON8)

347
Donna's question was not inappropriate or disrespectful.

Posted by: I guess I'll tell them at January 20, 2022 02:06 PM


If OM did not want us to know the information he would not have proffered. But he did. If CBD want us to know his vax status he would let us know. I have not, and will not ask him. But if he were to mention it, then it's fair game to discuss.

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at January 20, 2022 02:09 PM (dQvv7)

348 >>313 This black-haired girl in short shorts has no idea what's what and is just guessing based on her inherent distrust of a government that has been lying without even an accidental truth in the past two years:
https://is.gd/lySAjR

I bet she only takes orally administered remedies.

Posted by: Capital Eff at January 20, 2022 02:09 PM (GYllL)

349 The best data we have, which is limited and difficult to obtain clearly, is that the shots do appear to often reduce the symptoms of the worst cases of Wuhan Flu. So it is not accurate to say that the shots are exclusively bad or that they do nothing whatsoever.

Its just really hard to trust the drug companies or anyone in power right now with anything they say.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 20, 2022 02:09 PM (KZzsI)

350 Posted by: Imma let you finish at January 20, 2022 02:05 PM (wkoKN)

More, the shot itself is not the spike protein, but modifies your own cells to produce it. Your body then sees those cells as abnormal, like a cancer, and uses the immune system to 'fix' the problem.

So your immune system is fighting off two different threats, the proteins, and the modified cells. Your immune system is NOT infinite. Any resource it uses to fight off an artificial threat, is not available when a real threat hits... Like a cancer.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 20, 2022 02:09 PM (oHd/0)

351 Don't let em vac your kids for this. It is a very novel attempt at a type of gene based therapy. No clue on long term effects on kids.

Posted by: Imma let you finish at January 20, 2022 02:05 PM (wkoKN)

---------

"Nothing to worry about, comrade -- we're looking out for you. Trust us! After we've unsealed the studies and clinical trial results in 75 years .. you'll see."

Posted by: ShainS -- Beware the Branch Covidians at January 20, 2022 02:10 PM (aNxz1)

352 Also: IIRC, CVS and Walgreens management decided/were pressured into(?) a policy that none of their pharmacies would fill prescriptions for HCQ or Ivermectin.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 20, 2022 02:07 PM (URNdm


Plus USPS took it upon themselves to confiscate ivermectin shipments. Doctors are having their license suspended. Most of these alternatives are now nearly impossible to find. Joe Rogan got lucky, he probably couldn't get the same stuff now. 2 years ago you couldn't give it away.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 20, 2022 02:10 PM (wAnMi)

353 Dr. Peter McCullough was on Rogan a while back and he pointed out the insanity that they didn't have any early treatment protocols, like they weren't allowed to have any ETP's, it seemed. It was "pray" or come back and we'll stick you on a vent. He was naming names on places that should have been coming up with ETP and sharing them to assess what worked best.
==
Anecdote: ID consult indicated that Ivermectin, HCQ were not recommended in early use or prophylaxis. HOWEVER< If you look at the IDSA guidelines they actually have "NA" meaning not reviewed not applicable. So they don't recommend for or against in prophylaxis or pre hospital treatment. They aren't making a comment on that scenario. Also the idea that there is "no data" in support or against on early use is false, certainly at this point. Of course their guidelines are almost a year old now.

Posted by: Imma let you finish at January 20, 2022 02:10 PM (QCZTg)

354 better by a factor of 300 - 600 % ...

Posted by: The Dark Lord at January 20, 2022 02:10 PM (5cMUX)

355 I think it is natural to wonder about OM.

(I didn't because I don't think the jab makes a big difference)

Asking was just what people do to understand their world. Especially after tragedy and loss.
It was not politicizing it. Politicizing it would be if someone said "serves him right,...." or some other comment. Gathering information is not politicizing. IMHO

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 20, 2022 02:10 PM (YGkPn)

356 Donna didn't say anything wrong. Nothing proves anything, and no one is trying to prove anything that I know of. It's a question that people _always_ want to know the answer to. It just sucks that it's one of ours, I think we're all in agreement on that.

Posted by: ... at January 20, 2022 02:11 PM (/9mpK)

357 All these arguments about vaccines, masks, lockdowns, distancing, pro or con, have always seemed superfluous. Because it's all begging the question of how serious is covid, really? That's the only debate that should matter.

Ace you're only half right. imho EVERYTHING about covid has been greatly greatly overestimated. Half the world lost their shiznit over it and now we've institutionalized germophobia.

Posted by: Hands at January 20, 2022 02:11 PM (786Ro)

358 It was when they tried to say that HCQ was in fact a dangerous drug, when everything I read said it was widely used all over the world for malaria with few side effects and we had decades of data on it.

The worst possibility was that it was not effective on covid, which would have been the logical argument. But they had to say it was dangerous. That was wierd.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 20, 2022 02:11 PM (Y5qcH)

359 Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at January 20, 2022 02:09 PM (dQvv7)

Well put. Thank you for that bit of sanity!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 20, 2022 02:11 PM (Q9lwr)

360 Also: Numerous stories about doctors who've been told they will be fired if they write prescriptions for these drugs, or those who have and then been punished.

Occasionally I have COVID LIVs ask my, if all the stuff I tell them is true, why are all these independent voices saying the same thing as Fauci.

And the answer to that, as we've unfortunately found, is that it sounds like Fauci because ultimately Fauci is telling them what to say - via his allies at the top of a few big companies and by buying people through his ability to choose who to fund.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 20, 2022 02:11 PM (ESjRY)

361 "Nothing to worry about, comrade -- we're looking out for you. Trust us! After we've unsealed the studies and clinical trial results in 75 years .. you'll see."
Posted by: ShainS -- Beware the Branch Covidians at January 20, 2022 02:10 PM (aNxz1)

Nothing remotely sus about that, nope...

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 20, 2022 02:12 PM (II3Gr)

362 So it is not accurate to say that the shots are exclusively bad or that they do nothing whatsoever.
***
They don't have to be exclusively bad to be prohibitively bad.

Time will tell on all of this. We're running an experiment.

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 20, 2022 02:12 PM (H8QX8)

363 top cause of death among 18-45 year olds is drug overdose

Posted by: Hands at January 20, 2022 02:12 PM (786Ro)

364 I have an enormous penis.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

Says you.

Bog, blog, $20 same as in town.

Posted by: old chick at January 20, 2022 02:13 PM (sOete)

365 The wife and I attended 3 superspreader events in the last 18 months since getting covid. No effect on us.

Posted by: Valiant at January 20, 2022 02:13 PM (P6d2V)

366 I know that its turning into part of the English language by continuous misuse, but "begging the question" does not mean "creates a natural inclination to ask a question" or "logically leads to the next query".

Its a logical fallacy in which you presume the answer in your response instead of arguing or proving it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 20, 2022 02:13 PM (KZzsI)

367 You know where I can get HCQ and Ivermectin without a scrip right now cheap, Algodones Mexico

Posted by: Capital Eff at January 20, 2022 02:13 PM (GYllL)

368 The UK recently something along the lines of only 2.5 % of their covid deaths occurred in people under age 65 with no comorbidities.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 20, 2022 02:13 PM (VMY76)

369 Otherwise, you pays your money and you takes your chances. The young and healthy have very little to nothing to fear from COVID.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 20, 2022 02:07 PM (OMayC)

I'm 62, but won't get the vax until I see a long term study on how it will interact with the experimental vaccines that IMO, created Gulf War Syndrome.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 20, 2022 02:13 PM (oHd/0)

370 The Fentanyl epidemic never reallly went away. I believe the covid hysteria made it worse.

Posted by: Hands at January 20, 2022 02:13 PM (786Ro)

371
More, the shot itself is not the spike protein, but modifies your own cells to produce it.


China's "vaccine" is a traditional one based on a viron. The FNM tells me it doesn't really work, and they are likely right.

Which means China, which made the virus, sees the mRNA gene therapies as more dangerous then just giving everyone a placebo.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 20, 2022 02:13 PM (ESjRY)

372 Yet this with natural immunity shall be ostracized from society.

Proving for the 3,367,743rd time that this is not about beating Covid.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 20, 2022 02:13 PM (CaxEf)

373 >>>I'm relatively young and healthy. I had Covid, it was nothing. My risk from it, should I get it again is virtually zero. So even if the vax has a very small risk, why take on that risk in order to prevent an even smaller risk? That's my calculation. everyone's mileage may vary of course.


I imagine a lot of people are in this boat. Still I hear so many people saying they won't take the vax that i can't believe they're all healthy, sub-15% bodyfat, and well under 29 years old.

i'm not someone saying take the vax for me. I know someone else's vax doesn't protect me and even if it did i don't have any right to ask anyone to do something they're not comfortable with for me.

I just don't want any more readers to die.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 02:14 PM (0G13K)

374
Occasionally I have COVID LIVs ask my, if all the stuff I tell them is true, why are all these independent voices saying the same thing as Fauci.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 20, 2022 02:11 PM (ESjRY)

What independent voices? The medical community isn't exactly known for independent voices. Uniformly pushing a single message with little personal investigation, yes.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 20, 2022 02:14 PM (z5Vrg)

375 Cherish deeply everyone you meet and love on this journey.
Posted by: banana Dream at January 20, 2022 02:08 PM (SXSmD)


Except 99% of those residing in DC. They can all die screaming horribly in a fire. And I say that in the most loving way possible. Burn. Burn to a crisp.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 20, 2022 02:14 PM (wAnMi)

376 367 You know where I can get HCQ and Ivermectin without a scrip right now cheap, Algodones Mexico
Posted by: Capital Eff at January 20, 2022 02:13 PM (GYllL)

That's a bold strategy.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 20, 2022 02:14 PM (6FeV1)

377 362 So it is not accurate to say that the shots are exclusively bad or that they do nothing whatsoever.
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They don't have to be exclusively bad to be prohibitively bad.

Time will tell on all of this. We're running an experiment.
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 20, 2022 02:12 PM (H8QX

The American public has been propagandized, psychologically terrorized, and extorted into participating in the largest drug trial we've ever seen, without the opportunity to provide actual informed consent. Mengele could only dream of pulling off some shit like this.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 20, 2022 02:14 PM (II3Gr)

378 They don't have to be exclusively bad to be prohibitively bad.

That's the problem -- we don't know enough to be sure one way or another, or even reasonably sure. And what's worse, all the things we used to rely on in the past to get those answers have proved unreliable or even malicious.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 20, 2022 02:14 PM (KZzsI)

379 People talk about the booster shots like they are something different. They are not. Just another shot like the first two that did not work either.

Posted by: Bama Bubba at January 20, 2022 02:14 PM (mAxkE)

380
Given my age and health I felt the right decision for me was to get vaccinated. But I was a sick puppy for a couple of days after each shot.

I suspect I may have caught something a few months ago, but it lasted only a couple of days. And I'm damned if I'm getting tested.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 20, 2022 02:14 PM (/U27+)

381
Heh.

Just got in from a Dr's appointment. Last time, he asked me about my jab status and started practically yelling at me when I told him I wasn't gonna do it. This time, he waited until we were almost finished and at the receptionist's station.

"Did you get the Covid shot?"
"No. And I ain't gonna get it."
*quietly*
"Okay."

I think the word is spreading.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 20, 2022 02:15 PM (n+4am)

382 In other news, my wife and I went to the grocery store and there is a strike going on which I don't care about, but let me tell you this IT WAS AMAZING!. We basically had the store to ourselves, everything was stocked, everything was on sale, walked right up to the cashier, no waiting, the meat guy helped us find something, got out of there for about half what our normal grocery bill was. May they strike forever.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 20, 2022 02:15 PM (coYBh)

383 The worst possibility was that it was not effective on covid, which would have been the logical argument. But they had to say it was dangerous. That was wierd.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 20, 2022 02:11 PM (Y5qcH)
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Any non-vaccine treatment had to be dangerous, because a vaccine was the only hope. HCQ isn't dangerous and neither is Ivermectin. Anything is dangerous if take you too much of it, and everything has some band (sometimes narrow, sometimes wide) of side effects that might mean you shouldn't take that thing. For both HCQ and Ivermectin, those are well-known and understood.

Unless you take way too much or have one of those overlapping risk profiles (most people don't), the only risk to trying HCQ or Ivermectin would be that it doesn't work against COVID. The best case is that it works well and you end up okay. The other risk and possible danger is that the drug doesn't work but you take it instead of another drug that does because you heard about it on TV. But that can't happen in this case because there is no treatment, period.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 20, 2022 02:15 PM (DU+/6)

384
However, IMHO opinion if you're, oh, say late 50s, over 60, you should probably take the vaccine and maybe the booster. If you're a fatty or have other issues, like say severe diabetes, you should take the vaccine.

Otherwise, you pays your money and you takes your chances. The young and healthy have very little to nothing to fear from COVID.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 20, 2022 02:07 PM (OMayC

I'll take my chances. Life is boring without risk. Nor am I afraid of a few days of sickness even if I do catch it.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 20, 2022 02:15 PM (Fs5vw)

385 You know where I can get HCQ and Ivermectin without a scrip right now cheap, Algodones Mexico
Posted by: Capital Eff at January 20, 2022 02:13 PM (GYllL)

Well, good luck not getting kidnapped or decapitated during the trip.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 20, 2022 02:15 PM (II3Gr)

386 Anyone who gives these experimental genetically modified mRNA shots or the experimental adenoviral vector shot to a child, is guilty of child abuse.

If these shots mischaracterized as vaccines are so safe and so effective:
1. Why are they still after almost 2 years only authorized under the FDA Experimental Use Authorization?
2. Why are Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J STILL under blanket legal immunity against side effect liability lawsuits?
3. Why are people "fully vaxxed and boosted" still coming down with the Wuhan Flu?

Ask yourself, if your spouse was fpip-flopping and repeatedly caught lying like the war criminal Fauci, would ever trust your spouse again?

SO WHY ARE SO MANY PEOPLE STILL TRUSTING FAUCI?

Posted by: Pete at January 20, 2022 02:16 PM (fAqPu)

387 297 I work in drug development. Even before the election, I already decided I wouldn't take the vaccine until several years down the line because there needed to be time to understand the safety profile, and I felt my risk from covid was very low. But I thought it was probably a good idea for the elderly, sick, and people with preexisting conditions.

Now, with the fact that the public health establishment has been shown to be mostly trash and this mindless push for endless (unplanned) boosters, I don't plan on getting jabbed for this at any point.

And it's not a vaccine.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at January 20, 2022 02:01 PM (rF64X)

Amen. I'm so glad that neither me, nor my wife and kid, got vaccinated. We had C-19, all recovered (me with IVM and vitamins), and are fine.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 20, 2022 02:16 PM (mdjgu)

388 i don't know why people cite vaers, it's self-reported and unvetted stuff

it's like picking claims off of reddit and going "SEE?!!"

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 02:16 PM (0G13K)

389 because this was a tool to empower tyrannts, common sense what to do and things to take (generics) have all been 1000% demonized. the total ignoring of natural immunity (possessed in the US by 30+% of the population) tells me everything I need to know. Not medical. All POLITICS.

Posted by: government here to save you at January 20, 2022 02:16 PM (lNSu6)

390 Also: Numerous stories about doctors who've been told they will be fired if they write prescriptions for these drugs, or those who have and then been punished.

*

North Carolina's medical board sent out an official statement warning any doctor who wrote a prescription for it that they were risking their license.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - wondering about using horse paste or my preferred 1% liquid, read the comments at January 20, 2022 02:16 PM (/6kZi)

391
I still can't get over how fast ALL the supermarkets ended their extra-sanitizing measures at their stores, i.e., the numerous hand sanitizer dispensers, the constant wiping-down of carts, etc.

All that is gone. Too much $$ and trouble, I guess.
Funny thing is, it made sense to do it, pandemic or not!

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 20, 2022 02:16 PM (zu30u)

392 They don't have to be exclusively bad to be prohibitively bad.

This is a good point as well. The current accepted death rate (across all ages) for COVID is about .27%. For anyone under 50 it is trivial.

What is the rate rate of the shots? No one knows because the data is being aggressively hidden.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 20, 2022 02:17 PM (ESjRY)

393 I just don't want any more readers to die.
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 02:14 PM (0G13K)

Ace
Several of us were trying to organize a collective toast to Oregon Muse for tomorrow night around 10pm EST. We honestly should include Tami and now Redc14c.

Would you mind adding a note along the sidebar?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 20, 2022 02:17 PM (N39Ws)

394 My Dr said that doctors and hospitals are noticing an uptick in certain ailments and the general belief is that they are vaccine related. Nothing conclusive yet, just anecdotal.

I suspect that these vaccines have higher risks than would have been tolerated under normal circumstances.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 20, 2022 02:17 PM (Y5qcH)

395 Which means China, which made the virus, sees the mRNA gene therapies as more dangerous then just giving everyone a placebo.
Posted by: 18-1

It probably means they where unable to steal the technology to make it. It is not easy, and requires packaging the RNA in a ball of lipids just like a real virus so it will survive to infect your heart cells.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 20, 2022 02:18 PM (YGkPn)

396 eople talk about the booster shots like they are something different. They are not. Just another shot like the first two that did not work either.
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I think early on some people got the J & J which they don't consider to be mRNA. So if you got a J & J, its not exactly like the Pfizer. For laypeople it is at the level of semantics to differentiate, tho.

Posted by: Imma let you finish at January 20, 2022 02:18 PM (eN5F0)

397 Ace
Several of us were trying to organize a collective toast to Oregon Muse for tomorrow night around 10pm EST. We honestly should include Tami and now Redc14c.

Would you mind adding a note along the sidebar?

sure, of course. I was trying to think of something to do too.

i'd like to put together a best of OM post.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 02:18 PM (0G13K)

398 Well, gotta hand to Democrats, with vaxxing little kids, they've found the way forward for post birth abortions.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 20, 2022 02:18 PM (5pTK/)

399 10pm eastern?

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 02:18 PM (0G13K)

400 i don't know why people cite vaers, it's self-reported and unvetted stuff

it's like picking claims off of reddit and going "SEE?!!"
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 02:16 PM (0G13K)
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Isn't Vaers self-reported, but only from doctors and hospitals? I didn't think randos sitting at home could report. Is that wrong?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 20, 2022 02:18 PM (VMY76)

401 I'm 56 with poor health, but my immune system has always been nearly superheroic. I rarely catch any of the nasty crud that goes around or if I do, it is usually very mild. But I've already been exposed to the Wuhan Flu in 2019 (my brother had it and we live in the same small house). My body learned how to fight this stuff off and I don't need to worry about it.

For me, taking a shot would be all downside, no matter how unlikely the side effects or complications might be.

Others, well they have different situations and lives to live. Medicine is a personal choice, its one of the most private decisions anyone can make. If this stuff was killing 30% of the public and caught like wildfire, well there's something to extreme measures. But its not that deadly so its up to you and I individually to make our choices.

Its one thing to say "well I think its wise to get/not get the shot" but another entirely to argue and browbeat people or worse use government power to punish those who disagree.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 20, 2022 02:19 PM (KZzsI)

402
They Still won't even tell us how long the wuhan flu lives on surfaces!

Why not? Are they not studying this?

But we all know the chinese virus doesn't live on McDonald's food wrappers, or in TV studios.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 20, 2022 02:19 PM (zu30u)

403 >>Well, good luck not getting kidnapped or decapitated during the trip.

You walk over the border at Yuma and you're back within an hour. Very safe place to go.

Posted by: Capital Eff at January 20, 2022 02:19 PM (GYllL)

404 More, the shot itself is not the spike protein, but modifies your own cells to produce it. Your body then sees those cells as abnormal, like a cancer, and uses the immune system to 'fix' the problem.


Not exactly. It just inserts the mRNA blueprint into the cell, and the cells machinery makes spike protein until the mRNA is disposed of. The risk is if you are co-infected with a virus that has reverse transcriptase, the spike mRNA can get reverse engineered back into your DNA with unknown consequences.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 20, 2022 02:19 PM (F4b8f)

405 @373

>>I just don't want any more readers to die.

We are all going to die, there is nothing you can do about it.

Do not fear death, live your life, and rejoice that one day your journey will lead you to an undiscovered country where the journey will begin again.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 20, 2022 02:19 PM (1EFK+)

406 >>>Isn't Vaers self-reported, but only from doctors and hospitals? I didn't think randos sitting at home could report. Is that wrong?


no, it's literally anyone who can post stuff on it, anyone.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 02:19 PM (0G13K)

407 My normally medically controlled blood pressure has fluctuated since taking the J&J jab back in April, I will not take another shot or booster for Covid. One of my older brothers who never had high blood pressure (he only induces it in other people) was diagnosed with hypertension about two months after getting his second Pfizer shot. He has been placed on medicine now to control his blood pressure. My 86 year old neighbor had three episodes of afib after getting her booster shot, she just had a pacemaker put in. Prior to receiving the vax she had never experienced any heart problems.

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at January 20, 2022 02:20 PM (a4EWo)

408 VAERS is fine as a relative metric. Not so good though for heavily politicized things where the noise is obviously higher and makes the comparison to other treatments more difficult.

It may not be perfect, but it's all we got.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 20, 2022 02:20 PM (6FeV1)

409 i don't know why people cite vaers, it's self-reported and unvetted stuff

Its the only data we have at hand, is the problem. Like I said, we don't have the information we need. And, I mean... VAERS was the go-to source for info of this sort until the last two years.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 20, 2022 02:20 PM (KZzsI)

410 We have been lied to since day one, people have stuck needles with who knows what in them up their asses and the bodies have piled up.

Yet the only person in prison is Buffalo Guy and other patriots.

It's a madhouse!, a madhouse!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 20, 2022 02:20 PM (a5d7/)

411 My Dr said that doctors and hospitals are noticing an uptick in certain ailments and the general belief is that they are vaccine related. Nothing conclusive yet, just anecdotal.

I suspect that these vaccines have higher risks than would have been tolerated under normal circumstances.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 20, 2022 02:17 PM (Y5qcH)
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If vaccination data were being properly tracked, and analyzed, all of the vaccines would probably have been pulled from the market a long time ago and the trial lawyer would be in the process of bankrupting pharmacy companies.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 20, 2022 02:20 PM (5pTK/)

412 395 My Dr said that doctors and hospitals are noticing an uptick in certain ailments and the general belief is that they are vaccine related. Nothing conclusive yet, just anecdotal.
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Dr. Ryan Cole is making data-based assertions about a rise in certain cancers and viruses among the vaccinated.

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 20, 2022 02:20 PM (H8QX8)

413 >>> 392
I still can't get over how fast ALL the supermarkets ended their extra-sanitizing measures at their stores, i.e., the numerous hand sanitizer dispensers, the constant wiping-down of carts, etc.

All that is gone. Too much $$ and trouble, I guess.
Funny thing is, it made sense to do it, pandemic or not!

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 20, 2022 02:16 PM (zu30u)

Ha! I vaguely recall seeing that in CO in March or April but yeah, it didn't last long. If anything they should have a miniature version of the drive-through car wash. That would be awesome.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 20, 2022 02:20 PM (llON8)

414 The Fentanyl epidemic never reallly went away. I believe the covid hysteria made it worse.
Posted by: Hands at January 20, 2022 02:13 PM (786Ro)


I mention my pharmacist buddy who works ICU occasionally. He's 100% in on the narrative. His ICU is swamped. But, not with covid patients. Liver failure and transplants. Drug overdoses. Attempted and successful suicides. He hasn't seen anything like it in his 10 years working the tower. People are fucked up.

Another friend who's a pediatric surgeon just had a 13 year old who succumbed to a benadryl OD. He said she had signs of recent self inflicted cuts. They've gotten more kids like this than skateboard/bike/stupid etc. accidents than he's seen in his 30+ years. It's an epidemic. And the media continues to be obsessed with Trump, 1/6 and the unvaxxed.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 20, 2022 02:20 PM (wAnMi)

415 399 10pm eastern?
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 02:18 PM (0G13K)

That's the plan. This accommodates those on the left coast. Bring your favorite beverage, memories, tributes and prayers.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 20, 2022 02:20 PM (N39Ws)

416
The VAED (vaccine-associated enhanced disease) question is the one that will put Fauci in jail. If every prior animal study had shown that enhanced disease as a result of research on vaccines for corona type viruses and he knew of that fact, and that was not passed on to President Trump...

Of course that lying little weasel will claim that he did warn Trump. Will probably claim that Trump told him there was no time.

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at January 20, 2022 02:20 PM (dQvv7)

417 I just don't want any more readers to die.
Posted by: ace
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{{{ace}}}

We all die sweetie, but what matters is how we live.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at January 20, 2022 02:20 PM (RU4sa)

418 I'm agnostic about the vaccine. My oldest son came down with covid first in our household, but he had very mild symptoms and we didn't even think he was sick. He was tired and had a headache. We thought it was just because he had basketball and soccer practice everyday for a week. Anyway, his grandparents were with him several hours everyday that week and they didn't catch it (vaccinated). My wife (vaccinated) did catch it though she was out of town most of that week.

Posted by: Mishdog at January 20, 2022 02:20 PM (/VWLE)

419 390 Also: Numerous stories about doctors who've been told they will be fired if they write prescriptions for these drugs, or those who have and then been punished.

*

North Carolina's medical board sent out an official statement warning any doctor who wrote a prescription for it that they were risking their license.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - wondering about using horse paste or my preferred 1% liquid, read the comments at January 20, 2022 02:16 PM (/6kZi)

Prescriptions for dozens of medications for off-label use are made all the time, and yet these two well-established and safe drugs (HCQ, IVM) are being targeted by the powers that be as verboten for treating COVID. Wonder why that is?

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 20, 2022 02:21 PM (II3Gr)

420 I didn't think randos sitting at home could report. Is that wrong?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 20, 2022 02:18 PM (VMY76)

Yes. Any rando can submit a report. That's why VAERS data are a fucking joke.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 20, 2022 02:21 PM (Q9lwr)

421 >>>Its the only data we have at hand, is the problem. Like I said, we don't have the information we need. And, I mean... VAERS was the go-to source for info of this sort until the last two years.

it's self-reported unvettted data which has itself become hyperpoliticized -- like wikipedia.

it's not really data. It's wikipedia for arguments about vaccines.

I have no idea why people cite it, and I have no idea what kind of response they're expecting from me when they throw these meaningless numbers at me.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 02:21 PM (0G13K)

422 VAERS isn't proof. But it is a signal. That's why it exists - to provide an early signal that there might be something hinky here and maybe we should take a look.

Or, you know, just keep rolling. Whatever.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at January 20, 2022 02:21 PM (8548M)

423 As far as the risks of the vaccine, we don't really know. For a long time, they said it was a myth that it was messing with women's periods, but now it's accepted fact. It seems like some healthy athletes are dropping dead, but I have no idea if the number is out of the ordinary or not. It seems to be accepted fact that young men are at high risk of heart issues with two shots, but not much at one.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 20, 2022 01:55 PM (AhhdW)

midocidartis is rare in the young up until the jabs... now what might be a couple hundred cases world wide a year is in the thousands.
The lipid based delivery system is absorbed by the heart which is then damaged by the spike protiens.
Data is being activly surpressed, because vaccines are considered dangerous when they have just a few deaths associated.. the number for these are much much worse.
Glad nothing has happened to you Ace, but I don't think we can say dangers are being overwrought.
I'm not sure we can trust much of what we are being told.

Posted by: Inogame at January 20, 2022 02:21 PM (53oGX)

424 I imagine a lot of people are in this boat. Still I hear so many people saying they won't take the vax that i can't believe they're all healthy, sub-15% bodyfat, and well under 29 years old.

i'm not someone saying take the vax for me. I know someone else's vax doesn't protect me and even if it did i don't have any right to ask anyone to do something they're not comfortable with for me.

I just don't want any more readers to die.
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 02:14 PM (0G13K)

I get it. When I had C-19, it was the flu. It wasn't a cold, and it wasn't nothing - I was sick. This is also a novel coronavirus, so I did have some concerns, especially when I did get sick. I definitely had the thought 'what if the MSM was right...' about this.

I will not make any judgments on anyone's vax status, or their personal opinions. Regarding government, big business, medicine or the MSM, however, I'm firing away. They should have presented all viable options before the public, and not preemptively cut certain ones off to us, making us unable to make a choice. To them, I'm extremely angry about this.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 20, 2022 02:21 PM (mdjgu)

425 i don't know why people cite vaers, it's self-reported and unvetted stuff

Because it was created for this exact purpose the last time pharma corps rolled out a bad vaccine?

Because the data shows there is something different then every vaccine introduced before the clot shots?

Because by law this is the ONE source of data Fauci can't completely corrupt?

Because most of the data actually comes from doctors? And because it is a crime to submit false data?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 20, 2022 02:21 PM (ESjRY)

426 394 I just don't want any more readers to die.
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 02:14 PM (0G13K)

I understand your sentiment. But many of us are over 29. We're going to die.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 20, 2022 02:21 PM (Fs5vw)

427 FDA also killed vaccine competition
There were a number of newer shots supposed to come out last year - Novovax for one
Never heard from again

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 20, 2022 02:22 PM (lCui1)

428 I suspect that these vaccines have higher risks than would have been tolerated under normal circumstances.
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Fer sure.

like 20,000 vaers deaths. For swine flu about five deaths and they stopped the program. That said, way more people have gotten this shot than the swine flu shot. Did it get stopped faster then bc no immunity?

Posted by: Hey, I wonder at January 20, 2022 02:22 PM (0ofk6)

429 Masks are for fags. Experimental mRNA injections are for fags. A panicky frenzied flying spittle testing hysteria is for fags. Don't be a fag.

Posted by: Ambiguously Gay Richard Simmons at January 20, 2022 02:22 PM (kdRpq)

430 415 399 10pm eastern?
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 02:18 PM (0G13K)

That's the plan. This accommodates those on the left coast. Bring your favorite beverage, memories, tributes and prayers.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed

maybe 10:30? Because the ONT usually goes up at 10, and shouldn't we have the ONT already going? Or is the ONT going up at 9:30 or something?

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 02:22 PM (0G13K)

431 Japan update

Japan is finally getting its post vaccine surge. And it is the biggest yet. Yesterday another dozen or so prefectures went to emergency measures (limiting density for large gatherings where people yell, limiting sale of alcohol after 8, .... small stuff compared to rest of world)

It hit Okinawa first, maybe due to US presence there, and now is in Tokyo,...
But Okinawa is already over the hump (it appears) after only 3 weeks. It just exploded quick, but then burnt out quick too.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 20, 2022 02:22 PM (YGkPn)

432 Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 20, 2022 02:20 PM (wAnMi)

Think of the pressure and stress these kids face. Growing up in "normal" times is hard enough. Add in this C19 crap, isolation, masks (hiding 80%+ of communication) and the end result is we are destroying our youth.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 20, 2022 02:22 PM (N39Ws)

433 i don't know why people cite vaers, it's self-reported and unvetted stuff

it's like picking claims off of reddit and going "SEE?!!"
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 02:16 PM (0G13K)

Maybe because the gov't isn't providing another system to track side effects.

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at January 20, 2022 02:22 PM (EpDzw)

434 pigs could fly out of my ass eating ham sandwiches first, but it could happen...
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at January 20, 2022

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Cannibal pigs? Is this immoral for pigs?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 20, 2022 01:48 PM (txdEq)

i'm pretty sure pigs have no morals. they'll eat anything you give them and then some.

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at January 20, 2022 02:22 PM (8D42x)

435 no, it's literally anyone who can post stuff on it, anyone.
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 02:19 PM (0G13K)
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Can't trust any info sources these days. That's one of my greatest peeves during this crazy time of our lives.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 20, 2022 02:23 PM (VMY76)

436 Or is it novavax? I forget

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 20, 2022 02:23 PM (lCui1)

437 Not exactly. It just inserts the mRNA blueprint into the cell, and the cells machinery makes spike protein until the mRNA is disposed of. The risk is if you are co-infected with a virus that has reverse transcriptase, the spike mRNA can get reverse engineered back into your DNA with unknown consequences.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 20, 2022 02:19 PM (F4b8f)

So, inserting the MRNA blueprint is NOT modifying the cell to produce the spike protein?

And your body does NOT see those changed cells, and fixes them? (which is why the spike protein levels drop, which lead to the decrease in antibodies after a few months).

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 20, 2022 02:23 PM (oHd/0)

438 >>> 416
The VAED (vaccine-associated enhanced disease) question is the one that will put Fauci in jail. If every prior animal study had shown that enhanced disease as a result of research on vaccines for corona type viruses and he knew of that fact, and that was not passed on to President Trump...

Of course that lying little weasel will claim that he did warn Trump. Will probably claim that Trump told him there was no time.
Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at January 20, 2022 02:20 PM (dQvv7)

That's MY line.

Posted by: Jack Bauer at January 20, 2022 02:23 PM (llON8)

439 Isn't Vaers self-reported, but only from doctors and hospitals? I didn't think randos sitting at home could report. Is that wrong?
Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 20, 2022 02:18 PM (VMY76)

VAERS accepts reports from anyone. Patients, parents, caregivers and healthcare providers (HCP) are encouraged to report adverse events after vaccination to VAERS even if it is not clear that the vaccine caused the adverse event. In addition, HCP are required to report certain adverse events after vaccination.

This is direct copy from the VAERS site...

From speaking with medical professionals who are familiar with the reporting system, it's cumbersome.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at January 20, 2022 02:23 PM (BgMrQ)

440 I'd like to put together a best of OM post.
Posted by: ace
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I think that would be a fine idea.

Might have to spread it out over a couple of days, however.

Between the MMT, the book thread, the chess thread, etc, there's a lot of material.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at January 20, 2022 02:23 PM (RU4sa)

441 394 I just don't want any more readers to die.
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 02:14 PM (0G13K)

There's only 2 ways we get off this planet, dead, or in a rocket shaped like a dick.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 20, 2022 02:23 PM (UuD2k)

442 Vaccinate Harder!

Posted by: Roland THTG at January 20, 2022 02:23 PM (j40lz)

443 Its the only data we have at hand, is the problem. Like I said, we don't have the information we need. And, I mean... VAERS was the go-to source for info of this sort until the last two years.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 20, 2022 02:20 PM (KZzsI)

Seconded. It is the only info we have. Might there be bad actors screwing with the data? Sure. BUT, we were also told the vaccines were 90% effective at preventing transmission (how vaccines used to work before changing the definition) prior to public roll-out. Somehow, I get the feeling that data was screwed with. Just a hunch, really.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric (iPad) at January 20, 2022 02:24 PM (TDj17)

444 And because it is a crime to submit false data?
Posted by: 18-1 at January 20, 2022 02:21 PM (ESjRY)


Ha! Good one.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 20, 2022 02:24 PM (6FeV1)

445 I just don't want any more readers to die.
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 02:14 PM (0G13K)

Completely understandable. But we are mortal, and death eventually comes for us all, and it happens more frequently as we grow older. We can't escape that.

RIP OM.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at January 20, 2022 02:24 PM (rF64X)

446 I just don't want any more readers to die.
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 02:14 PM (0G13K)

People die. People die from all sorts of things. It is a sad part of life.

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at January 20, 2022 02:24 PM (EpDzw)

447 i don't know why people cite vaers, it's self-reported and unvetted stuff

*

Out of curiosity, do they report "the "flu-like symptoms" for 24 hours and the ache in the arm they warned me about, which I think you get with any flu-type vaccine" that you mentioned above?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - wondering about using horse paste or my preferred 1% liquid, read the comments at January 20, 2022 02:24 PM (/6kZi)

448 Hey chique : )

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at January 20, 2022 02:24 PM (RU4sa)

449 Can't trust any info sources these days. That's one of my greatest peeves during this crazy time of our lives.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 20, 2022 02:23 PM (VMY76)

For me the biggest tell of all, is that the CDC is till hiding 2020 data, let alone 2021 data.

If the data showed what they have espoused, why hide the data?

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 20, 2022 02:24 PM (oHd/0)

450 There's only 2 ways we get off this planet, dead, or in a rocket shaped like a dick.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 20, 2022 02:23 PM (UuD2k)


See ya, suckers!

Posted by: Guy who owns dick shaped spaceship at January 20, 2022 02:24 PM (gmo/4)

451 And one more thing, why aren't we discussing the side effects of all of this? I don't see a lot of mention about the suicides, drug addiction, lost jobs, destroyed relationships when Wuflu is talked about.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at January 20, 2022 02:24 PM (5HBd1)

452 OT, but Psaki's currently trying to clean up Joe's mess .

@PhilipWegmann
2m
Psaki reiterates again though if Putin moves troops "across the border, that's an invasion, and there will be severe economic consequences."

Posted by: Hands at January 20, 2022 02:24 PM (786Ro)

453 Is redc confirmed?
God this year sucks

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 20, 2022 02:25 PM (lCui1)

454 midocidartis is rare in the young up until the jabs... now what might be a couple hundred cases world wide a year is in the thousands.

I remember when the reports first starting coming in of Myocarditis in people that had gotten the shots that the FNM responded by saying it was no big deal.

Which is a big fat lie. 40% of people with it die within 5 years.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 20, 2022 02:25 PM (ESjRY)

455 I still can't get over how fast ALL the supermarkets ended their extra-sanitizing measures at their stores, i.e., the numerous hand sanitizer dispensers, the constant wiping-down of carts, etc.

All that is gone. Too much $$ and trouble, I guess.
Funny thing is, it made sense to do it, pandemic or not!

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 20, 2022 02:16 PM (zu30u)


I think most, maybe all, hand sanitizers are anti-bacterial. Not going to help much with a virus. I have an FDA web page open in another tab and there is this quote on it: "There are no antiseptic drug products, including hand sanitizer, that are approved by FDA to prevent or treat COVID-19.". Again, all of this was nothing but theater.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at January 20, 2022 02:25 PM (CoMmC)

456 Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 20, 2022 02:25 PM (lCui1)

I heard from a friend of his...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 20, 2022 02:26 PM (Q9lwr)

457 Nood

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 20, 2022 02:26 PM (F4b8f)

458 Taking my chances, should survive it if did get it but it's a dice roll. Take your prevent and hope for best.

Posted by: Skip at January 20, 2022 02:26 PM (2JoB8)

459 VAERS is a signal. Not all signals are data. Not all information that isn't data is useless. Know what the signal is and what you're attempting to do with it.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 20, 2022 02:26 PM (6FeV1)

460 "severe economic consequences"

Putin is shaking in his boots, I'm sure.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at January 20, 2022 02:26 PM (RU4sa)

461 430 415 399 10pm eastern?
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 02:18 PM (0G13K)

That's the plan. This accommodates those on the left coast. Bring your favorite beverage, memories, tributes and prayers.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed

maybe 10:30? Because the ONT usually goes up at 10, and shouldn't we have the ONT already going? Or is the ONT going up at 9:30 or something?
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 02:22 PM (0G13K)

Ace - whatever works with the thread schedule. Just need a place to gather.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 20, 2022 02:26 PM (N39Ws)

462 I remember when the reports first starting coming in of Myocarditis in people that had gotten the shots that the FNM responded by saying it was no big deal.

Which is a big fat lie. 40% of people with it die within 5 years.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 20, 2022 02:25 PM (ESjRY)

Myocarditis is a totally common, normal part of childhood, c'mon man!

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 20, 2022 02:26 PM (II3Gr)

463
I highly doubt I'd die from COVID, for various reasons. But none of that relates to why I'm unvaxxed.

If you lie to me 500 times in a row, and then ask me to believe you about your shot, my answer is "nah, bruh. Thanks but no thanks."

And then your response is "well, I asked nicely; now it's time to get real... Do it. Or else."

OK, now you're a liar who's trying to intimidate me. I might have been in watch-and-wait mode before, but now I'd rather croak from the virus than take your faggy shot, cock-knocker.

It's pretty simple.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 20, 2022 02:26 PM (4odx6)

464 Joe didnt say what we thought he said, he said the opposite


"Is he predetermining that the 2022 November elections are going to be suspect?

.@PressSec: "He was not intending to cast doubt on the legitimacy...He was actually attempting to make the opposite point."

- CSPAN (@cspan) January 20, 2022

Posted by: Hands at January 20, 2022 02:26 PM (786Ro)

465 I'd like to put together a best of OM post.
Posted by: ace
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I think that would be a fine idea.

Might have to spread it out over a couple of days, however.
Between the MMT, the book thread, the chess thread, etc, there's a lot of material.
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at January 20, 2022


***
I'd like to see the very first Morning Rant with the first Who Dis, and the very last one he did.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 20, 2022 02:26 PM (txdEq)

466 Novavax had to go through actual testing. That's why it was delayed. And of course, it has to be tested now against Omnicrom.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at January 20, 2022 02:27 PM (5HBd1)

467 The worst possibility was that it was not effective on covid, which would have been the logical argument. But they had to say it was dangerous. That was weird.

Never under-estimate the power of group-think. If their first answer was to wear an onion on your belt, their subsequent actions would have been no different. Carrots on your sleeve, or beets in your pocket, would have not been allowed. Some would have pleaded for everyone to just comply - since an onion on your belt is really no big deal.

Then it would have been two onions on your belt. Booster onions. Vidalias only - Bermudas and Sweet Reds would have been strictly forbidden. And proof that your belt onion was fresh via a database. Such is group-think.

Posted by: Real World at January 20, 2022 02:27 PM (F18PL)

468 Its the only data we have at hand, is the problem. Like I said, we don't have the information we need. And, I mean... VAERS was the go-to source for info of this sort until the last two years.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 20, 2022 02:20 PM (KZzsI)

But now it isn't backing up the CDC. So now we must question it. It's like when pointing out that about 75% of COVID deaths are people who had 3 or 4 other issues and they died with COVID. CDC reported those as COVID deaths. Someone triple jabbed who dies of COVID gets pointed out that they had 3 or 4 other issues. You can't have it both ways.

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at January 20, 2022 02:27 PM (EpDzw)

469 Well if VAERS is unreliable self-reported wiki level shit, it's at *least* on par with our Dear Diary media. And that's the fucking problem.

Posted by: ... at January 20, 2022 02:27 PM (/9mpK)

470 I am THRILLED to hear they're about to clear the vaccines for 5 year old children.

I wish you guys would stop all this misinformation. The Vaccines are clearly safe and effective for Democrats and their families.

Democrats should get as many shots as the government says they should have, as often as the government says they should have them. They should get shots for their entire family. Frequently.

In fact, I won't stop until every single Democrat has had at least 2 shots and 2 boosters.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at January 20, 2022 02:27 PM (Zl0qV)

471 FDA also killed vaccine competition

Fauci is currently slow rolling the introduction of Covaxin to the US - another traditional vaccine from India/Britain.

When questioned about it he got visibility angry and said that we don't need any jabs because we have the mRNA ones.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 20, 2022 02:27 PM (ESjRY)

472
This was an organized effort to eliminate all options from the marketplace except vaccines.
Posted by: Lizzy


It wasn't all that long ago that we were regaled with stories of the natives on Fillintheblank Island who all had perfect health because of all the NATURAL medicines they used.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 20, 2022 02:28 PM (63Dwl)

473 There's only 2 ways we get off this planet, dead, or in a rocket shaped like a dick.

LOL hilariously stated

I think most, maybe all, hand sanitizers are anti-bacterial. Not going to help much with a virus.

While true, it was good to see stores actually making an effort to clean up filthy, nasty, disease-ridden shopping carts and such. I mean, this is stuff that should have been done all along. Your food in a cart that the last user had a baby with a full leaking diaper in...

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 20, 2022 02:29 PM (KZzsI)

474
This is why I was worried for Mike Hammer and OM, last Saturday.

Enough with the losses.

(Yes, I know Mike Hammer is doing okay at the moment. But that's what we always hear.)

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 20, 2022 02:29 PM (zu30u)

475 Myocarditis is a totally common, normal part of childhood, c'mon man!
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw

KTY's bf got "mild" myocarditis from the second Pfizer shot. I almost yelled at him when he mentioned the booster. I told him he could die.
He said well there's a pill now he'll just take that instead if needed

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 20, 2022 02:29 PM (lCui1)

476 Hi SMH!

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at January 20, 2022 02:29 PM (rF64X)

477 Vaers or not, that is the problem, when the medical establishment won't even recognize natural immunity we are being conned.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 20, 2022 02:30 PM (coYBh)

478 My cousins husbands mother(Bonnie) died Monday from covid. Old, diabetic, overweight and vaxxed within the time frame that it should have worked. Didn't help one bit. Maybe it makes your death a little more comfortable. They just let you get worse, pump you full of painkiller, record your death as covid and cha-ching$$$$. No mention of using something like Ivermectin or HCQ. "Gee, you might die but we can't give you these drugs cuz they're dangerous". She should have been given these meds from the get go. These people allowing this to happen are ghouls and should be fried for crimes against humanity.

Posted by: JROD at January 20, 2022 02:31 PM (0jZnq)

479 I've always likened Democrats to the Grinch. Now, with the Covid vaccines, their hearts can grow 3 sizes.

Why would anyone want to stop that from happening?

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at January 20, 2022 02:31 PM (Zl0qV)

480 Oh, and one other note - people have been trying to assess why some batches of Pfizer/Moderna are more deadly then others by cross referencing VAERS and other sources.

I strongly believe what they are actually seeing is that in some locales the medical establishment isn't reporting adverse events as they are supposed to. Yes, they are required to...but there is no one enforcing it and clearly a whole bunch of people pressuring them to shut up about all the deaths they are seeing.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 20, 2022 02:31 PM (ESjRY)

481 Still I hear so many people saying they won't take the vax that i can't believe they're all healthy, sub-15% bodyfat, and well under 29 years old.
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So the numbers show that this is pretty certainly a deadly disease in nursing home populations. However, Even if you are in your 60s or 70's you are very unlikely to die of it. Unless you have multiple comorbidities. Since they have no idea whether the shots have long term consequences, someone with a life expectancy of 20 plus years may easily decide to not take it. Someone in their 80's may decide reasonably that they dont really care about side effects on fertility or side effect occuring 20 years down the road on cancer mortality etc. Both are totally logical decisions.

What is the greater risk for me as a person now, vs long term. This is however, a campaign for mass vax, on something they know, for almost everybody is not deadly, and can't be stopped no matter how many shots they give you.

Posted by: Hey, I wonder at January 20, 2022 02:31 PM (8DHGa)

482 Then it would have been two onions on your belt. Booster onions. Vidalias only - Bermudas and Sweet Reds would have been strictly forbidden.

Nonsense, everyone knows it needs to be a Walla Walla Sweet!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 20, 2022 02:31 PM (KZzsI)

483
Your food in a cart that the last user had a baby with a full leaking diaper in...

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 20, 2022 02:29 PM


Ah!!!! I never thought of that. Geez, I may never shop or eat again. Does Amazon sell complete Level 4 bio-lab suits?

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at January 20, 2022 02:32 PM (dQvv7)

484 I heard from a friend of his...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 20, 2022 02:26 PM (Q9lwr)

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 20, 2022 02:32 PM (lCui1)

485 403 >>Well, good luck not getting kidnapped or decapitated during the trip.

You walk over the border at Yuma and you're back within an hour. Very safe place to go.
_____________

I live in the Tucson area and have gone down to Nogales and crossed into Mexico from there to purchase drugs at a pharmacy that's just across the border. There are lots of Americans who cross back and forth there every day, but I don't stay any longer than necessary.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at January 20, 2022 02:33 PM (k4dH2)

486 Oh, and remember when Rihanna (?)'s cousin told her the clot shot made his balls swell and the FNM started calling her a liar?

Looking in VAERS there are a bunch of listings of just that.

So...the data is there.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 20, 2022 02:33 PM (ESjRY)

487 I be gotten all the Fizer and Moderna shots just to be safe and wear three N95 masks everywhere I go. I recummends we be all do this to end the Trump Pendemic now !!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at January 20, 2022 02:33 PM (5NUsf)

488 I have the original two vaccines from last spring, but I refuse to get the booster. It was offered to me at my dialysis clinic, but I said "thanks, but no thanks". What amazed me was that there was no pressue, and most of the nurses agreed with my reasoning -- which was there are too many wierd side effects popping up all of a sudden. And that was before all the young, healthy athletes began dropping dead. Sure, we all read about one or two of those incidents a year caused by a previously missed issue. But not the current numbers. I keep wondering when some horrible side effect will show up and bite me on the ass.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- bitterly clinging to the deplorable life '70s style! at January 20, 2022 02:33 PM (N86eO)

489 Vax dead-enders
Acquired immunity deniers
Branch Covidians
Fauci Peggees (though some of the dead-enders might consider this one a compliment)

Posted by: motionview (prep train organize) at January 20, 2022 02:35 PM (aKOI+)

490 Isn't Vaers self-reported, but only from doctors and hospitals? I didn't think randos sitting at home could report. Is that wrong?
no, it's literally anyone who can post stuff on it, anyone.
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 02:19 PM (0G13K)


They have an online form or downloadable PDF. I reported mine. https://vaers.hhs.gov/

Dr Malone recently posted some data that points to the potential of bad batches. 100% of deaths are coming from 5% of batches... https://gettr.com/post/po3lhbb3da

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 20, 2022 02:35 PM (wAnMi)

491 Another point to consider, we've known for a while that exposure to Human Coronavirus 043 (the corona virus version of the common cold) gives resistance to COVID.

Wouldn't it make sense then to use THAT as your vaccine?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 20, 2022 02:36 PM (ESjRY)

492 i don't know why people cite vaers, it's self-reported and unvetted stuff
it's like picking claims off of reddit and going "SEE?!!"
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2022 02:16 PM (0G13K)


With all due respect, because besides the data from the Scottish NIH and the Dutch and maybe talking to the local undertaker (having to use extra foundation to hide the petechiae?), VAERS is all the information available to most people.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 20, 2022 02:36 PM (ZMraq)

493 480 Oh, and one other note - people have been trying to assess why some batches of Pfizer/Moderna are more deadly then others by cross referencing VAERS and other sources.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 20, 2022 02:31 PM (ESjRY)
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I had considered faking a vaccination card. In the process of researching the lot numbers, which is the only relevant number printed on your card and is the only way anyone can attempt to find out if you're faking or not, I found a PDF on the state of Massachusetts website still exposed to the public.

This PDF listed Pfizer and Moderna vaccine lot numbers, along with their expiration dates. The reason it listed them, was because the state was explaining that all the lot numbers in the list were having their expiration dates extended by 3 months.

So, that told me a couple things - 1. people weren't vaccing in the numbers claimed, or they would be running out of batches, not trying to extend them past their expiration dates and 2. if you're stupid enough to get the vaccine at this point, it's extremely likely you're getting injected with something that expired 3 to 6 months ago.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at January 20, 2022 02:37 PM (Zl0qV)

494 Yes it does... RIP OM... I'm still so upset over it... Is this the wrong time to ask if he was vaxed ?
Posted by: It's me donna at January 20, 2022 01:47 PM (TdaKq)
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It's time to know all the facts.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 20, 2022 02:38 PM (JVMtX)

495 463I highly doubt I'd die from COVID, for various reasons. But none of that relates to why I'm unvaxxed.
If you lie to me 500 times in a row, and then ask me to believe you about your shot, my answer is "nah, bruh. Thanks but no thanks."

And then your response is "well, I asked nicely; now it's time to get real... Do it. Or else."
OK, now you're a liar who's trying to intimidate me. I might have been in watch-and-wait mode before, but now I'd rather croak from the virus than take your faggy shot, cock-knocker.

It's pretty simple.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 20, 2022 02:26 PM (4odx6)

Do you like frosty beverages? because I feel like I ought to buy you a round or two.

Posted by: Inogame at January 20, 2022 02:39 PM (53oGX)

496 VAERS is all the information available to most people.
Posted by: Kindltot at January 20, 2022 02:36 PM (ZMraq)
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True. But it's a lot like a Drudge poll.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 20, 2022 02:40 PM (JVMtX)

497 Just want to reiterate my strong support for all Democrats and their children to be heavily vaccinated.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at January 20, 2022 02:40 PM (Zl0qV)

498 I'm all in on personal choice with respect to vaccine/mRNA. I have a middle aged friend who avoided covid, despite sleeping in the same bed as covid positive wife, that was enough to inform him that he didn't need the vaccine. However, he just recently caught the omicron variety, a mild case fortunately. Again, reinforcing his decision to not get the vaccine. He does have heart issues, and says he does not want to risk pericarditis again, going through that a year after his heart surgery. Reasonably healthy otherwise. His decision seems logical to me. But it looks like he won't be able to have his 25th wedding anniversary in France this year, or any time soon. He hopes that the covid overreaction soon blows over, and that eventually the vaccination won't be required for travel. Until that happens however, he is a second class citizen. He has that in common with Novak Djokovic at least, they both play tennis and neither will be allowed to play in the French Open.
An evil choice, I think, to force on someone.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 20, 2022 02:41 PM (fs1hN)

499 Fauci is a wicked toad.

Posted by: Rosasharn at January 20, 2022 02:43 PM (yEBFM)

500 358 It was when they tried to say that HCQ was in fact a dangerous drug,(...)
The worst possibility was that it was not effective on covid, which would have been the logical argument. But they had to say it was dangerous. That was wierd.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 20, 2022 02:11 PM (Y5qcH)

That was an early lie. The truth would have been "we don't think this will help at all". Full stop. Trying to portray it as dangerous was an attempt to either manipulate or reduce the message to the lowest denominator, ie., the idiots who might take fish medicine. Which is a profoundly stupid motivation to undermine your own credibility.

It should have been, "We don't think this will help at all, but if people want to take it, please do so under the supervision of a doctor. If nothing else we'll get good data."

Posted by: Synova at January 20, 2022 02:44 PM (BD/yx)

501 VAERS is all the information available to most people.
Posted by: Kindltot at January 20, 2022 02:36 PM (ZMraq)
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True. But it's a lot like a Drudge poll.
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yes and no. Its not an opinion in the sense that something happened to someone. Whether or not that something is was related to a vax is an opinion. If people think it wasn't related, they tend not to report. If people think it was, they tend to report. You are supposed to just report it based on timing. But studies show there is massive under reporting. The fact that there are far more reports on this one vax than all the prior ones in the history of vaers is a signal. Not data. There's something up. But we don't know exactly what.

Posted by: Hey, I wonder at January 20, 2022 02:44 PM (eN5F0)

502 And your body does NOT see those changed cells, and fixes them? (which is why the spike protein levels drop, which lead to the decrease in antibodies after a few months).
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 20, 2022 02:23 PM (oHd/0)


The only way the body can fix a cell is by destroying it. Which is why if the spike protein sticks in blood cells, capillary wall cells or you heart, it is an issue.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 20, 2022 02:46 PM (ZMraq)

503 It should have been, "We don't think this will help at all, but if people want to take it, please do so under the supervision of a doctor. If nothing else we'll get good data."

Many, if not most, of the people that want HCQ banned want to make it "safer" to inject yourself with heroin, cocaine, and fentanyl.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 20, 2022 02:47 PM (ESjRY)

504 Ace, I hope one day I can game with you in person. I love reading your RPG references. I've been nerding out with the same group of guys for 32 years, and it tickles me to see the references pop up in your writing.

We both, apparently, like a lot of the same YouTubers. The first time I saw you reference George Ryan's "Pitch Meetings" from the ScreenRants channel, I lost it. My wife and I always watch the new ones together when they drop. Hilarious.

Anywho, I think Dictator Brandon has WAY outperformed what anyone expected. Didn't most of us figure he'd be 25th amendment material inside of the first six months? I honestly did.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at January 20, 2022 02:48 PM (Zl0qV)

505 Damn...is it Ryan George? Canadians with two first names are fruit.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at January 20, 2022 02:49 PM (Zl0qV)

506 Many, if not most, of the people that want HCQ banned want to make it "safer" to inject yourself with heroin, cocaine, and fentanyl.
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Indeed a little over two years ago, most of the people where standing on soapboxes screaming that pharma was evil and the FDA had sold out!! Now look at them.

They have no minds. Robots, who do whatever the TV tells them to do.

Posted by: Hey, I wonder at January 20, 2022 02:49 PM (JjYMO)

507 While true, it was good to see stores actually making an effort to clean up filthy, nasty, disease-ridden shopping carts and such. I mean, this is stuff that should have been done all along. Your food in a cart that the last user had a baby with a full leaking diaper in...
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 20, 2022 02:29 PM (KZzsI)

I'm horrified by kids with masks in school or babies with masks anywhere, but I'd kind of like people to get into the habit of slapping a mask on their kid when they're coughing and wheezing and snotting all over at the grocery store.

That would be nice.

Posted by: Synova at January 20, 2022 02:53 PM (BD/yx)

508 The only way the body can fix a cell is by destroying it. Which is why if the spike protein sticks in blood cells, capillary wall cells or you heart, it is an issue.

That was part of the debate as to whether they needed to aspirate when giving the clot shot, to reduce the risk of it getting in your blood stream.

And I believe the final answer from Fauci Inc was "no don't worry about it"

Posted by: 18-1 at January 20, 2022 02:53 PM (ESjRY)

509 Ace, I am sick of funerals, and they are all old people in my circle of friends. These were people who should have had family come and visit them, but for example, I could only visit my Dad in conditions similar to if he were in prison, scheduled, and in a visiting room, at times only through a window.
I am also sick from losing friends who believe the fear porn and hope they can survive by turning their backs on life and hiding.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 20, 2022 02:54 PM (ZMraq)

510 like people to get into the habit of slapping a mask on their kid when they're coughing and wheezing and snotting all over at the grocery store.


I thought one of the few positive things coming out of COVID mania was convincing people to stay home when they are sick.

But I see due to shortages in staffing in some industries where they fired people for not getting the clot shot that they've made people come back to work before they are completely over COVID.

Which...makes no sense.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 20, 2022 02:55 PM (ESjRY)

511 And I believe the final answer from Fauci Inc was "no don't worry about it"
Posted by: 18-1 at January 20, 2022 02:53 PM (ESjRY)


A surprising amount of public health advice turns out to be based on the idea that "it can't be too complicated or no one will do it"

Posted by: Kindltot at January 20, 2022 02:55 PM (ZMraq)

512 For those science/technically inclined and on substack I highly recommend the el gato malo substack

really good one today on the games certain reporting agencies have been playing in regards to vaccine efficacy, not only in preventing transmission/infection (the vaccine does not prevent transmission, nor reduce infection) but reducing hospitalization/deaths

https://tinyurl.com/56axahv2

Posted by: Big Star at January 20, 2022 02:55 PM (Modkf)

513 Just arrive 512 comments in. So I'll say this because I'M SURE NOBODY ELSE HAS:

Dr. Fauci is a bad man.

Thank you. I feel better now.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at January 20, 2022 02:56 PM (Q3oNv)

514 I just don't want any more readers to die.
Posted by: ace
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I'm sure you heard Fauci and Walensky admit that they cant say getting the shot and boosters stops anyone from dying. Its not in the data. You have a higher risk if you are pretty old, nursing home wise, have comorbidities. If you are looking to get through 6 mos of the cold and flu season as your primary endpoint. I can see your reasoning. If you are 50s, or 40's or teens or 5, your calculus is a whole lot different.

Posted by: a lot of people are emotional decision makers, nothing wrong with that per se except when fear sadne at January 20, 2022 02:58 PM (QCZTg)

515 The only way the body can fix a cell is by destroying it. Which is why if the spike protein sticks in blood cells, capillary wall cells or you heart, it is an issue.
___________

I read that they did an autopsy on Bob Saget. He apparently had a mild case of the virus shortly before his death (according to his wife), and may also have had a booster vaccine shortly before his death too.

If his death turns out to be related to some kind of heart inflammation, will there be any way to know if it was caused by the virus itself, or by the vaccine?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at January 20, 2022 02:59 PM (k4dH2)

516 Wow, from Big Star's link

this one dodge alone means that ~56% of all post jab covid deaths get called unvaxxed.

this data extends all the way to the present (100% of outcomes). i confirmed this with joel.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 20, 2022 03:00 PM (ESjRY)

517 If you're under the age of 18?
You have a 99.9998% chance of avoiding hospitalization IF you get COVID.
But we need to vaccinate them, knowing the vaccine doesn't stop the spread of COVID; and knowing there ARE rare health issues with the vaccine... because... Why?
Put another way:
How much until we can accept we've done all we can to help Pfizer's stock price?

Posted by: ertdfg at January 20, 2022 03:08 PM (I388C)

518 the only person worse at their job than Biden or Harris, is Fauci.

Posted by: joe fingerblaster at January 20, 2022 04:04 PM (ZZEwZ)

519 Um, why is the right literally dying on this stupid hill?

Everyone knows natural immunity is pretty good. So is vaccination. The vaccine focuses on the spike protein because that's the part of the virus that allows it to attach and enter your cells.

Here's the reality check for us all. Coronavirus antibodies don't last very long. That's why we get the same colds again and again. That's just the facts. Tetanus lasts ten years. Chickenpox lasts 25. Coronavirus lasts about 6 months.

We stay at home when we get sick because any of us could be brewing up a new variant. Omicron is slippery. My whole family got it despite being vaccinated and boosted because it's different enough from the original virus that the booster shot doesn't do much but prepare your body to mount a defense.

None of us got very sick. Not even a top-ten cold. But we all stayed home because for all we know we were creating a new variant ourselves. We didn't pass COVID on to a single person.

Masks are no guarantee, but they help. Just like sneezing into your arm is better than your hand. Why you are all being such babies about it makes no sense.

Posted by: Seattle Slough at January 20, 2022 04:13 PM (KcqqB)

520 I saw a poll that said only 21% of respondents were confident in Anthony Fauci. The funny thing was only about 5% of those people are halfway qualified to render an opinion on him.

What a joke. He's the top of his field but sure, joe six pack doesn't like him. Who cares? I don't like the guy at the FAA that determines how often to repack the bearings on a 747. I'm not a mechanic, or a pilot or anything related to planes, but let's ask me anyway.

History is going to look back on this time of Q anon and Stop the Steal and people being afraid to wear masks and just shake their heads.

I've heard more stupid things from the right than I've ever heard before. Masks make you dumb. Um, surgeons wear masks. Covid vaccines track you. Um, your phone tracks you. Good lord what have you become?

Posted by: Seattle Slough at January 20, 2022 04:17 PM (KcqqB)

521 *Oh, can we also talk about how the official policy is that healthcare workers without the clot shot (who probably were already exposed to it and obtained that natural immunity) absolutely had to be fired, but those who took the clot shot and then got covid must come in to work while positive, because of the staffing shortages from firing the Unclean? Sounds like a bunch of extremely dangerous plague carriers to me!*

THIS. I'm a doc, had the Pfizer vax when it first came out (I'm in a higher-risk specialty), got through things until now when my teen daughter caught Omicron and shared it. It's been a meh 1.5 weeks, but symptoms mild enough to go back to the hospital to help deal with the HUGE staffing shortages we have, courtesy of the CMS mandate diktat and the inevitable firings/resignations, our idiot governor Inslee, and our equally malignant CEO deciding to cut staff in the middle of a pandemic ("We need to save money!! My bonus is in danger!!).

Oh, and the antigen and maybe the PCR tests are likely becoming less reliable due to the viral mutations. I have no more Fs to give at this point...

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at January 21, 2022 04:07 PM (YcC7Y)

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