Media Observers: Court Appears Poised to Strike Down Brandon's Vaccine Mandates on Large Employers, But Might Uphold His Mandate on Health Care Workers

Two different mandates were the subject of lawsuits that were heard in oral arguments before the Supreme Court today.

Hopefully both will be struck down, but one seems more likely than the other.

The Supreme Court's conservative majority on Friday appeared ready to reject one of President Joe Biden's most aggressive attempts so far to combat the spread of Covid-19 -- a vaccine or testing requirement aimed at large businesses.
But in a separate challenge, some justices seemed more open to a vaccine mandate aimed at certain health care workers.
The court heard arguments for almost four hours as the number of infections is soaring, and 40 million adults in the US are still declining to get vaccinated.
The three liberal justices on the court expressed clear approval for the administration's rules in both areas.

You don't say. The three liberals in lockstep for every single liberal political position? You don't say. You don't say. You don't say.

Wow they must really be reading "the law" to come to the exact same political position on every single different legal issue every single time, huh?

Two sets of rules, issued in November, were the subject of Friday's cases. The first would impact some 80 million individuals and requires large employers to mandate that their employees either get vaccinated or submit to weekly testing. Conservative Justices Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas and Amy Coney Barrett, suggested that the Biden administration's rule, issued under an agency's emergency powers, was too broad.
Barrett asked whether a "more targeted" regulation aimed at industries with a higher risk of transmission, would be more likely to pass legal muster.
Along the same lines, Thomas suggested that younger, unvaccinated workers might have fewer health risks and should not be subject to the same rules as older workers. He also said that states could be better suited than the federal government to require vaccines or testing under their police powers.

Those are some very small-bore objections. Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and, shockingly, Roberts had more robust objections.

Two of President Donald Trump's nominees, Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh, questioned whether a federal agency could issue a regulation with such vast economic and political significance without the clear authorization of Congress. Chief Justice John Roberts seemed to agree on that point by wondering if the government had responded on an "agency by agency" basis, in order to get around the fact that Congress and some states had failed to act.

The arguments for imposing the mandate on health care workers weren't legal, they were simply Karen: People gonna die 'less you do this.

The arguments against: You have no legal power to do this.

Lawyers for two different sets of states counter that CMS acted outside the scope of its authority when issuing the mandate because Congress never specifically authorized the agency to issue such a broad rule. They also charge the agency with bypassing normal procedures which would have allowed stake holders to weigh in on the mandate.
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Separately, Elizabeth Murrill, Louisiana's solicitor general, representing a different set of states, said that the mandate is also unconstitutional. She argued that under the Spending Clause of the Constitution Congress' power to legislate "rests on whether the State voluntarily and knowingly accepts the terms" of a contract.
In the case at hand, she said, the facilities that accept the federal funds had no advance notice of the mandate. She also argued that Congress can't simply delegate the authority to a federal agency to require vaccines for over 10 million health care workers without a clear statement of intent.

Jordan Boyd at The Federalist said at least four Justices seemed "skeptical" of the president's unilateral power to order this without Congress's authority:

Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Amy Coney Barrett, and Neil Gorsuch all seemed skeptical of the vaccine mandate on the grounds that the federal government was extending its reach into state issues. In his questioning, Gorsuch emphasized that the mandate seems less effective as a health and safety protocol and is more of an issue of control.
"Could CMS also implement regulations about exercise regimes?" Gorsuch asked, wondering if "substances that must be ingested by hospital employees" could be implemented "in the name of health and safety?"

The leftwing partisans invented their own facts:

During the arguments, Justice Elena Kagan, Justice Stephen Breyer, and the counsel arguing in favor of the mandate continued to spew misinformation about COVID-19 and the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines. Kagan repeatedly lied that vaccinated workers couldn't transmit the virus despite numerous admissions from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that the jab doesn't stop viral spread and data showing a significant number of breakthrough COVID cases.

She was the shepherd of Obamacare.

The "Wise Latina" proved her worthiness to be on the court, by making up nonsense stupidlies that only a Wise Latina could make up.

Phil Kerpen
@kerpen
This is just absolutely astonishing. "100,000 children in serious condition," per Sotomayor. Where do these people obtain their misinformation? The current national pediatric COVID census per HHS is 3,342. Many/most incidental.

See, a White Man just couldn't make up outlandish lies like that.

Behold, the wonders of Diversity.

Posted by: Ace at 05:34 PM

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1 Cruz still sucks.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 07, 2022 05:34 PM (QU5/8)

2 Whoa

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 07, 2022 05:35 PM (Do5/p)

3 I won't hold my breast.

Posted by: f'd at January 07, 2022 05:36 PM (vrz2I)

4 3rd

Posted by: FriscoYoda at January 07, 2022 05:36 PM (+56GQ)

5 How are health care workers different?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 07, 2022 05:36 PM (dNqv+)

6 "See, a White Man just couldn't make up outlandish lies like that.
Behold, the wonders of Diversity."

Ha..this is gold.

Posted by: lizabth at January 07, 2022 05:36 PM (L3Rsz)

7 See, a White Man just couldn't make up outlandish lies like that.

Behold, the wonders of Diversity.

Posted by: Ace at 05:34 PM

You do a great disservice to Biden with this claim.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 07, 2022 05:36 PM (z5Vrg)

8 Splitting the baby is exactly the kind of idiot move the dread Judge Roberts would like to make.

Posted by: Catherine at January 07, 2022 05:36 PM (ZSsrh)

9 You do a great disservice to Biden with this claim.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 07, 2022 05:36 PM (z5Vrg)

lol

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder at January 07, 2022 05:37 PM (SH2Zi)

10 Mandates are misogynic, yo.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 07, 2022 05:37 PM (BFigT)

11 Sotomayor has been an idiot her entire life/career.

Posted by: FriscoYoda at January 07, 2022 05:37 PM (+56GQ)

12 Mandates are a form of taxation. Suckers!

Posted by: John Roberts at January 07, 2022 05:38 PM (HmZuC)

13 How are health care workers different?
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Constantly working around potentially health-compromised people. I know, I know.

But most of these sorts of environments already require flu shots and the like. SO natch, the vex is needed, too. /s

Posted by: lizabth at January 07, 2022 05:38 PM (L3Rsz)

14 10 Mandates are misogynic, yo.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 07, 2022 05:37 PM (BFigT)

Also misandrist.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 07, 2022 05:38 PM (dNqv+)

15 hiya

Posted by: JT at January 07, 2022 05:38 PM (arJlL)

16 Sotomayer is dumb as a box of rocks, proving anybody can make it thru law school.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 07, 2022 05:39 PM (coYBh)

17 So many things based on pure bullshit.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 07, 2022 05:39 PM (II3Gr)

18 If they uphold it for health care workers our health system is forever damaged beyond repair. Good luck getting any kind of test without having to wait months.. years. In a car accident? Too bad, you'll probably die waiting to be seen by a doctor or even a nurse. This is so fucking scary.

Posted by: Jewells45 deplorablethug#FJB at January 07, 2022 05:39 PM (nxdel)

19 The wife showed me some Facebook meme about what white racists really want - and it's a Photoshop of Clarence Thomas as all nine SC Justices.

Exactly. I want Thomas Sowell's ghost in charge of the Fed. I don't give a single damn what color your skin is, I care what you know and believe, who you are inside. As God has commanded.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 07, 2022 05:39 PM (KZzsI)

20 Misogynistic+misandrist=misanthropic.

Posted by: FriscoYoda at January 07, 2022 05:39 PM (+56GQ)

21 The three idiots on the Supreme Court are just reflecting the 1/3 of of America that believe whatever their Health Cultist leaders are telling them.

As for the others doing the right thing, I always fall back to one of my favorite Reagan quotes, "Trust, but verify".

I still have low expectations they will do the right thing on these mandates. However, I look forward to having my expectations exceeded.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at January 07, 2022 05:39 PM (TNyrE)

22 "People gonna die 'less you do this."

People are going to die if they get in their car and drive to the mall to get a Covid shot.

Posted by: f'd at January 07, 2022 05:39 PM (vrz2I)

23 20 Misogynistic+misandrist=misanthropic.
Posted by: FriscoYoda at January 07, 2022 05:39 PM (+56GQ)

What about the other 57 genders?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 07, 2022 05:39 PM (z5Vrg)

24 > Barrett asked whether a "more targeted" regulation aimed at industries with a higher risk of transmission, would be more likely to pass legal muster.

*ahem*

There are certain populations, especially those most recently from the third world and those who have less common sexual proclivities, who should be very interested in the dangerous rhetoric at play here.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 07, 2022 05:40 PM (YYlyE)

25 3 I won't hold my breast.
Posted by: f'd at January 07, 2022 05:36 PM (vrz2I)

How about Lucy Pinder's?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 07, 2022 05:40 PM (XvPQV)

26 So if a President can, according to this SCOTUS, legally mandate a "vaccine" for COVID, what other medical-related things can he mandate? The flu shot? STD vaccines? Sterlization? Abortion?

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 07, 2022 05:40 PM (Do5/p)

27 There are just 3 idiots on the supreme court?

Posted by: FriscoYoda at January 07, 2022 05:40 PM (+56GQ)

28 People gonna die 'less you do this.

https://youtu.be/eXWhbUUE4ko

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 07, 2022 05:40 PM (KZzsI)

29 "40 million adults in the US are still declining to get vaccinated."

Forty? More like 85.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at January 07, 2022 05:40 PM (TU8Tj)

30 What is the legal reason to ignore recovered immunity? I was hoping it might come up today. Never before to my knowledge have we been required to vaccinate against something we have specifically survived and fully recovered from. The flu shot changes every year, and this year seems to have completely missed; so that's not exactly relevant.

Posted by: Catherine at January 07, 2022 05:40 PM (ZSsrh)

31 20 Misogynistic+misandrist=misanthropic.
Posted by: FriscoYoda at January 07, 2022 05:39 PM (+56GQ)

Wonder Twin Powers Activate!
-Misanthropic Humanitarian

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 07, 2022 05:40 PM (dNqv+)

32 19 "The wife showed me some Facebook meme about what white racists really want - and it's a Photoshop of Clarence Thomas as all nine SC Justices."

Exactly. I want Thomas Sowell's ghost in charge of the Fed. I don't give a single damn what color your skin is, I care what you know and believe, who you are inside. As God has commanded.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 07, 2022 05:39 PM (KZzsI)

Sowell isn't dead.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 07, 2022 05:41 PM (z5Vrg)

33 Sotomayor has been an idiot her entire life/career.
Posted by: FriscoYoda at January 07, 2022 05:37 PM (+56GQ)

THE prime example of affirmative action and blind diversity

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2022 05:41 PM (Irn0L)

34 Is it possible that you can be a retard and a Supreme Court Justice? Only in America.

Posted by: f'd at January 07, 2022 05:41 PM (vrz2I)

35 Forty? More like 85.
Posted by: Bea

Bet it's even higher than that. I think the real number is inflated more than the Wise Latinx's midsection.

Posted by: lizabth at January 07, 2022 05:42 PM (L3Rsz)

36 I like how everyone pretends these jabs aren't being pushed under Emergency Use Authorization.

Not a single one available in America is FDA approved. As such, there is absolutely no liability attached to them for anyone.

Posted by: Laslof at January 07, 2022 05:42 PM (9zFmU)

37 Sounds like Gorsuch is asking the right questions. Because if it stands it absolutely will flow into a whole bunch of other insane demands. The moonbats have already signaled their intention to use "public health" to go after everything from guns to the existence of white people.

Posted by: CppThis at January 07, 2022 05:42 PM (UewuT)

38 I didn't listen to oral arguments. Did they discuss facts about the efficacy and risks of the "vaccines," or were there only arguments about the lawfulness of the mandates sprinkled with the left's made up facts?

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder at January 07, 2022 05:42 PM (SH2Zi)

39
The court heard arguments for almost four hours as the number of infections is soaring, and 40 million adults in the US are still declining to get vaccinated.

According to my top-of-the-head and pulled out-of-my-ass math that number of 40 million adults is easily the number who either contracted it and hardly noticed, or people who didn't even notice.

You can't have the numbers of infected without some percentage who laugh it off. This is now an 'infection of the vaccinated'.

Who opened for Spotted Fever at the Spectrum.

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at January 07, 2022 05:42 PM (dQvv7)

40 Yeah, I don't have a good feeling about the Court on this. The easy think for them to do is uphold the mandates. The majority will go with what is easy.

Posted by: Brian at January 07, 2022 05:43 PM (9kfcJ)

41 I didn't listen to oral arguments. Did they discuss facts about the efficacy and risks of the "vaccines," or were there only arguments about the lawfulness of the mandates sprinkled with the left's made up facts?
Posted by: flounder

Pretty much the latter, from what I heard.

Posted by: lizabth at January 07, 2022 05:43 PM (L3Rsz)

42 And of course, if that one stands, "health care worker" will be given the widest possible interpretation.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 07, 2022 05:43 PM (HmZuC)

43 Did they discuss facts about the efficacy and risks of the "vaccines,"

Sotomayor essentially declared them a cure.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 07, 2022 05:43 PM (KZzsI)

44 If they uphold mandates, boy howdy when I am Preznit, I am gonna mandate all kinds of things I want people to do. First up, everybody must wear a silly hat representing their favorite food when outside their home to prevent airborne diseases.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 07, 2022 05:43 PM (coYBh)

45 How are exemptions justified, if this is an emergency?

If a company employs 100 or more vs 99 or fewer?

USPS workers exempt?

Lets hear the 'science' on how one group or another isn't at risk, or, not risking others.

Posted by: davidt at January 07, 2022 05:44 PM (g98Pl)

46 34 Is it possible that you can be a retard and a Supreme Court Justice? Only in America.
Posted by: f'd at January 07, 2022 05:41 PM (vrz2I)

Just 'cause you're 'tarded doesn't mean you can't have a kickass life.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 07, 2022 05:44 PM (II3Gr)

47 Remember when Chief Justice Roberts presided over the first sham impeachment, he wouldn't allow Sen. Paul to even ask questions about "the whistleblower" who made the accusations that led to it. He presides over SCOTUS also yet allows this halfwit to lie and never bats an eye.

Posted by: lowandslow at January 07, 2022 05:44 PM (4thlk)

48
"Thank you for your bold vision and patriotic leadership which have guided America out of crisis and into an era of great progress, as we not only recover from the pandemic but Build Back Better!

In that spirit, I am writing to invite you to address a Joint Session of Congress on Tuesday, March 1, to share your vision of the State of the Union"
-- Nancy Pelosi

The pharmaceuticals are gonna be lit!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 07, 2022 05:45 PM (a3Q+t)

49 How are exemptions justified, if this is an emergency?

I could see some extreme exemptions even in a ghastly disaster like firemen and health care workers, but honestly yeah. You cannot say strip clubs, restaurants, and Wal*Mart workers qualify if cake bakers and house painters do not.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 07, 2022 05:45 PM (KZzsI)

50 30 What is the legal reason to ignore recovered immunity? I was hoping it might come up today. Never before to my knowledge have we been required to vaccinate against something we have specifically survived and fully recovered from. The flu shot changes every year, and this year seems to have completely missed; so that's not exactly relevant.

Posted by: Catherine

See the old precedent of Jacobson v. Mass, it dealt with police powers of a state to enact a law punishing people by a fine for not taking small pox vaccinations even if they had already had smallpox.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2022 05:45 PM (dCGWj)

51 If a company employs 100 or more vs 99 or fewer?

Posted by: davidt at January 07, 2022 05:44 PM (g98Pl)

My company has 107 employees. *sigh*

Posted by: Jordan61 at January 07, 2022 05:45 PM (Ez6QX)

52 Notably Not mentioned is Kavanaugh.

Posted by: kraken at January 07, 2022 05:46 PM (TkKKS)

53 Seems to me, we're also dangerously close to a very predictable chain of events:

Force groups you don't like into cramped, squalid conditions. You might call it an "over-abundance of caution."
Disease takes hold among those groups, due to the cramped, squalid conditions.
"Regulation" of those groups is now SCOTUS approved, due to the "higher risk of transmission."

Posted by: bonhomme at January 07, 2022 05:46 PM (YYlyE)

54 My company has 107 employees. *sigh*
Posted by: Jordan61 at January 07, 2022 05:45 PM (Ez6QX)

If biden wins it will soon have 99

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2022 05:46 PM (Irn0L)

55 Fuck Bret Baier. Tucker would have called out Cheney's lie to her face. Baier thanked her.

The fair-and-balanced fairy. Steve Hayes' best friend.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at January 07, 2022 05:46 PM (KiBMU)

56 Son takes the ACT test tomorrow at 8am. Fingers crossed he does well.

Posted by: jmel at January 07, 2022 05:46 PM (bVhJi)

57 And unfortunately none of the lawsuits addresses the Federal contractor rules for their mandates for a "safe" federal workplace. In concept it makes sense but the reality of the disease just simply doesn't justify it. But apparently there is NO STANDING to question the narrative. You either submit or you can't get federal money.

Posted by: Iris at January 07, 2022 05:47 PM (DibdT)

58 It's my turn next.

Posted by: Body Mass Index at January 07, 2022 05:47 PM (jYQlA)

59 Saw Brandon on TV this morning. Very inspiring.
If you're on welfare.

Posted by: wth at January 07, 2022 05:47 PM (v0R5T)

60 My company has 107 employees. *sigh*
Posted by: Jordan61 at January 07, 2022 05:45 PM (Ez6QX)

Bust out a stack of 1099s, baby. Problem solved.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 07, 2022 05:48 PM (6FeV1)

61 USPS workers exempt?

The one group that has secondary contact with everyone else in the whole country.

Posted by: Phuk Ho Le at January 07, 2022 05:48 PM (4nVKX)

62 Scotus is more likely to strike it down on procedural grounds than unconstitutionality. Thus, OSHA mandate may fail because it did not follow APA requirements as the issue was not an emergency. CMS on health care workers might fail due to CMS not have rule making powers delegated.

Thus, the football gets kicked back to the admin and Congress to fix.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2022 05:48 PM (dCGWj)

63 If biden wins it will soon have 99
Posted by: Nevergiveup

...and 8 new subcontractors

Posted by: MkY at January 07, 2022 05:48 PM (cPGH3)

64 *shakes majik 8 ball*
*flips right side up*
*squints*

well fook. scotus blorked me up the squeakhole again.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at January 07, 2022 05:48 PM (IJES/)

65 Son takes the ACT test tomorrow at 8am. Fingers crossed he does well.
Posted by: jmel at January 07, 2022 05:46 PM

The ACT test is overrated.

Posted by: The SAT test at January 07, 2022 05:48 PM (a3Q+t)

66 99 problems, but the FedGov ain't one.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 07, 2022 05:48 PM (YYlyE)

67 The Supreme Court has morphed into Night Court.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 07, 2022 05:48 PM (BFigT)

68 https://legalinsurrection.com/liberal justices vomit covid-misinformation during vaccine arguments

We are ruled by idiots

Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2022 05:48 PM (2JoB8)

69 Sounds like Gorsuch is asking the right questions. Because if it stands it absolutely will flow into a whole bunch of other insane demands. The moonbats have already signaled their intention to use "public health" to go after everything from guns to the existence of white people.

You will eat the bugs.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 07, 2022 05:49 PM (QU5/8)

70 Not that I would, or could, listen into today's proceedings like some others were here. But I would be interested in knowing if any of the justices brought up the fact that this weekly testing nonsense should be extended to all workers, jabbed or unjabbed. It looks like the excerpts that Ace posted don't mention that.

We're all in this together, right? At least in regards to catching and spreading the COVIDs. Don't know how that lines up from a legal basis, but it sure seems like the LatinX justice should have been in full Karen mode on that factoid.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at January 07, 2022 05:49 PM (TNyrE)

71 Did any attorney say, " I'm sorry, your honor but that 100,000 figure is incorrect. Here's the numbers from the CDC " or " your honor, the CDC has stated plainly that vaccination does not prevent infection or spread after one is infected. "

Did that happen? Even once?

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at January 07, 2022 05:49 PM (Vxu+H)

72 57 And unfortunately none of the lawsuits addresses the Federal contractor rules for their mandates for a "safe" federal workplace. In concept it makes sense but the reality of the disease just simply doesn't justify it. But apparently there is NO STANDING to question the narrative. You either submit or you can't get federal money.

Posted by: Iris

Addressed in other suits. The contractor issue is more difficult because it coerces third non-governmental parties without specific congressional sanction. Thus, it is more like the OSHA mandate than the CMS mandate.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2022 05:50 PM (dCGWj)

73 54 If biden wins it will soon have 99
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2022 05:46 PM (Irn0L)

Dude here gets it--they get to choose between having 99 employees and having around 65.

Posted by: CppThis at January 07, 2022 05:50 PM (UewuT)

74 I like how everyone pretends these jabs aren't being pushed under Emergency Use Authorization.

Not a single one available in America is FDA approved. As such, there is absolutely no liability attached to them for anyone.

Posted by: Laslof at January 07, 2022 05:42 PM

And the entire reason they are pushing to have them approved for children -- who don't need them -- is to get liability removed completely, with or without EUA. Once a vaccine is approved for children, there is no more liability and no more need for EUA.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 07, 2022 05:50 PM (Do5/p)

75 The legislative branch of government has nine non elected members, let's face it.

Posted by: kraken at January 07, 2022 05:50 PM (TkKKS)

76 38 I didn't listen to oral arguments. Did they discuss facts about the efficacy and risks of the "vaccines," or were there only arguments about the lawfulness of the mandates sprinkled with the left's made up facts?

I listened to some. It seemed to me in the time I was listening that all of the justices assumed the vaccines blocked transmission. If they think that there is no way they are going to block a mandate.

All the while a dozen vaccinated people in my immediate family (including me) have gotten covid over the past two weeks from three different potential vectors (all of whom were vaccinated). All had mild symptoms and were largely better within 3 days. Omicron don't give a damn about your vaccine.

Posted by: Brian at January 07, 2022 05:50 PM (9kfcJ)

77 Good luck to Jmel's son.

PS - the answer to the first question is B.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 07, 2022 05:50 PM (coYBh)

78 The ACT test is overrated.
Posted by: The SAT test at January 07, 2022 05:48 PM (a3Q+t)

Some Unis prefer the ACT over the SAT. Don't ask me why.

BYU preferred the ACT, but they also had a conversion chart. Interestingly, if you took the ACT and the SAT, they took whatever score was higher.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 07, 2022 05:51 PM (YYlyE)

79 The Wide Latina has comorbidities. And not just in her ass.

Posted by: wth at January 07, 2022 05:51 PM (v0R5T)

80 It's not really a mandate to get vaxxed or lose your job, it's more like a tax.

Posted by: CJ John Roberts at January 07, 2022 05:51 PM (4thlk)

81 As said Leftists are on the Supreme Court to put their Leftism stamp on every ruling. Any two bit hack brought up in Leftism like Barak was could rule exactly the same way.

Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2022 05:51 PM (2JoB8)

82 99 bottles of hooch on the wall
99 bottles of hooch.

Take one down, pass it around

WASHINGTON DC GETS NUKED AND WE ARE ALL FREE.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 07, 2022 05:51 PM (W2Pud)

83 One thing was abundantly clear after listening to the hearing today, Trump did real and lasting damage to the left with his SC appointments.

I'm not saying all Trump's picks are superstar conservatives and obviously Roberts is a squish but we at least have a chance now when big issues like this make it to SC. The 3 liberals not only had their minds made up before the hearing even began they were making up obvious lies and and making arguments based on emotions and feelings because the Constitution and the law is not on their side.

Had Hillary won and filled those seats the mandates and likely much worse would already be law. That's how the left rolls.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2022 05:51 PM (ZLI7S)

84 Madison never counted on people like Breyer, Roberts, Sotomayor and Kagan.

Posted by: Indignatio Vindicatorem at January 07, 2022 05:51 PM (oWBc3)

85 "Of course, when it comes to Covid, obesity is the main risk to employees. No offense, Justice Sotomayor."

Posted by: Wally at January 07, 2022 05:51 PM (FJYfm)

86 By similar arguments, such as Healthcare workers are more exposed, when we have the reins of government (snicker) let's mandate that in those cities that have defunded the police, or even merely shackled their response, all the citizens/residents must be armed at all times with firearms, children included, to ward off attacks by criminals. We will allow legitimate religious objections.
Watch leftist heads explode.

Posted by: Ciampino at January 07, 2022 05:52 PM (qfLjt)

87 Here's the technocratic, preferred scenario.

Government is going to allow businesses to manufacture hastily-produced health products and force ALL citizens (non-citizens remain exempt) to inject that product. Simultaneously, those businesses (and the government that mandates this) will be exempt from any repercussions should that product fail in any manner.

Yep, that's the sign of sound design and leadership. I'm certain nothing bad can happen.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Ashli Babbitt at January 07, 2022 05:52 PM (aXxgO)

88 I don't trust the Supreme Court to rule correctly that the sun rotates on its axis and revolves around the sun.

Posted by: Archer at January 07, 2022 05:52 PM (gmo/4)

89 I AM THE LAW !

Posted by: Sodomizer at January 07, 2022 05:52 PM (M+Lyo)

90
Son takes the ACT test tomorrow at 8am. Fingers crossed he does well.
Posted by: jmel

*blows on twenty sided dnd die*

come on magic 36

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at January 07, 2022 05:53 PM (IJES/)

91 Fucking questions are bread and circuses, they know the vote count. Are you not entertained?

Posted by: Indignatio Vindicatorem at January 07, 2022 05:53 PM (oWBc3)

92 46 34 Is it possible that you can be a retard and a Supreme Court Justice? Only in America.
Posted by: f'd at January 07, 2022 05:41 PM (vrz2I)

Just 'cause you're 'tarded doesn't mean you can't have a kickass life.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 07, 2022 05:44 PM (II3Gr)

And just like that, I didn't have to worry about Lawyerin anymore...

Posted by: Justice Forrest Roberts at January 07, 2022 05:54 PM (oHd/0)

93 The mandate is clearly constitutional under THE SUGAR clause.

Posted by: Justice Diabetes, Dissenting at January 07, 2022 05:54 PM (QU5/8)

94 Kagan's, having some foresight, changed her original family name, Karan, to what she is now known by

mostly true

Posted by: REDACTED at January 07, 2022 05:54 PM (us2H3)

95 BTW, only 1 of the 12 cases I referenced was reported (to a university - due to an obligation to report the case to the univ). No one saw or consulted with a Dr. or hospital. So none of these cases will register in the recent spike. So imagine how many other like that are our there. We are going to have herd immunity by the end of this month.

Posted by: Brian at January 07, 2022 05:54 PM (9kfcJ)

96 Mitch McConnell would you to know that he has had his booster, feels fine, and you must get yours too.

https://twitter.com/leadermcconnell?lang=en

Posted by: Capital Eff at January 07, 2022 05:54 PM (GYllL)

97 I think Sotowhatever has diabetes. So overweight and diabetic.

Watching golf on teevee. They are in Hawaii. Kapalua looks nice.

Posted by: Puddleglum at January 07, 2022 05:55 PM (sAmhv)

98 The sun revolves around itself? Holy crap, did I get a bad education.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 07, 2022 05:55 PM (coYBh)

99 just wait until we get a butt pirate for Prezzy

the man dates will be lit

Posted by: REDACTED at January 07, 2022 05:55 PM (us2H3)

100 Had Hillary won and filled those seats the mandates and likely much worse would already be law. That's how the left rolls.

Jesus Jack. You could not be more right!

We do have to try to take the few wins we've managed to get or retain.

I don't love Kav/Barrett but ... they're hella better than the alternative that HillBeast would have put in

Posted by: Black Orchid at January 07, 2022 05:55 PM (j9HX3)

101 I'm sure Mr Grant and maybe his twin could convince the nurse you had the shot.

Posted by: WiNO at January 07, 2022 05:55 PM (QKSdM)

102 Just 'cause you're 'tarded doesn't mean you can't have a kickass life.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 07, 2022 05:44 PM (II3Gr)

And just like that, I didn't have to worry about Lawyerin anymore...
Posted by: Justice Forrest Roberts at January 07, 2022 05:54 PM (oHd/0)

It's taken 5 decades, but you people finally came around.

Posted by: Roman Hruska at January 07, 2022 05:55 PM (FJYfm)

103 "Shockingly, Roberts had more robust objections"

Shocking how? As a neoliberal, even if it conforms to conservative principles, Roberts will protect corporate interests.

The CMS mandate is just as troublesome as the corporate one, and it is a distinction without a difference. If a federal agency can force health care workers to vaccinate, it can force them to perform grim procedures on other "unclean" folks.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 07, 2022 05:55 PM (nMx88)

104 I don't trust the Supreme Court to rule correctly that the sun rotates on its axis and revolves around the sun.
Posted by: Archer

is this earth centered inertial, or, earth centered fixed coordinate system?

additional query. are you changing the ground rule that the sun does not rotate around its axis?

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at January 07, 2022 05:56 PM (IJES/)

105 99 just wait until we get a butt pirate for Prezzy

the man dates will be lit
Posted by: REDACTED at January 07, 2022 05:55 PM (us2H3)

Uhhh....

Posted by: Reggy Love at January 07, 2022 05:56 PM (oHd/0)

106 96 Mitch McConnell would you to know that he has had his booster, feels fine, and you must get yours too.

https://twitter.com/leadermcconnell?lang=en
Posted by: Capital Eff

Ah. He didn't get the booster. I just assume they are all lying liars who lie anymore. Saves time.

Posted by: Puddleglum at January 07, 2022 05:56 PM (sAmhv)

107 91 Fucking questions are bread and circuses, they know the vote count. Are you not entertained?

Posted by: Indignatio Vindicatorem at January 07, 2022 05:53 PM (oWBc3)
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Yeah, they pulled the curtain aside and lit it on fire when they did their twin rulings about religious freedom while declaring that 1960s sex discrimination also magically included homosexuality.

It's all for show.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 07, 2022 05:57 PM (llXky)

108 Shorter liberals: the government can mandate that you let others put anything in your body, unless it's a baby.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 07, 2022 05:57 PM (QU5/8)

109 I'll celebrate Trumps judges and Justices, but Casey Jones tried braking too.

Posted by: Indignatio Vindicatorem at January 07, 2022 05:57 PM (oWBc3)

110 24 > Barrett asked whether a "more targeted" regulation aimed at industries with a higher risk of transmission, would be more likely to pass legal muster.

*ahem*

There are certain populations, especially those most recently from the third world and those who have less common sexual proclivities, who should be very interested in the dangerous rhetoric at play here.
----
Can we then also demand that all queers be tested at least weekly for AIDS?

Posted by: Ciampino at January 07, 2022 05:57 PM (qfLjt)

111 they're hella better than the alternative that HillBeast would have put in
Posted by: Black Orchid

Garland would not be AG, for starts.

Posted by: lizabth at January 07, 2022 05:58 PM (L3Rsz)

112 Some Unis prefer the ACT over the SAT. Don't ask me why.

BYU preferred the ACT, but they also had a conversion chart. Interestingly, if you took the ACT and the SAT, they took whatever score was higher.
The two tests are different in one major way - the SAT is still 50/50 math/verbal, whereas the ACT is more heavily verbal skills. The ACT is also longer. And frankly, it's a hot mess, especially the science section. Has VERY little to do with science really, it's more another reading section.

Posted by: Black Orchid at January 07, 2022 05:58 PM (j9HX3)

113 I think if the powers that be decided to use conventional cheap treatments instead of vaxing our population without question it would have had herd immunity by now.

Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2022 05:58 PM (2JoB8)

114 So my sister (Uber-Lib) and her German husband arrived last week with one of their sons. Now he is really sick and tested positive for AchtungBabycron variant, supposed to fly back Monday to go to work. SORRY
Worst part is they are now "quarantined" at my 90 year old Mom's house. They are all freaking the shit out.
I'm going home after work and drink.

Posted by: wth at January 07, 2022 05:58 PM (v0R5T)

115 You know who the Axis rotated around?

Posted by: That Guy who asks "You know who else ..." at January 07, 2022 05:58 PM (a3Q+t)

116
We are going to have herd immunity by the end of this month.

Posted by: Brian at January 07, 2022 05:54 PM

It would take less than 14 days if everyone was 'out and about' in a R=5 scenario and it was definitely Omicron. But that's the rub, can we all be certain it is?

Magic 8 ball is more dependable than the CDC.

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at January 07, 2022 05:59 PM (dQvv7)

117 67 The Supreme Court has morphed into Night Court.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 07, 2022 05:48 PM (BFigT)

Minus Markie Post's mullet and fantastic ta-tas.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at January 07, 2022 05:59 PM (DTX3h)

118 47
'He presides over SCOTUS also yet allows this halfwit to lie and never bats an eye.'
Roberts thumb must get pretty tired from holding down one side of the scales of justice.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 07, 2022 05:59 PM (roH4R)

119 It's a tax!

Posted by: Chief Scofflaw John Roberts at January 07, 2022 05:59 PM (R/m4+)

120 Conservative Justices [...] and Amy Coney Barrett
------------------------------------
ROTFLMFAO!!!!!

Stop! Stop! You're killing me!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at January 07, 2022 06:00 PM (UHVv4)

121 I just found a nice, affordable replacement instruction manual for my 1981 copy of MB's Dark Tower.

No idea where mine went to, I think mom spilled wine on it or something. Tower still works, we just played a game last night and it was a hoot.

I have a 'net copy' of the rules, but I love the artwork, so the glossy is almost an art book to me. Same artist did the Dragonmaster card game. Never played it, just love looking at the cards.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 07, 2022 06:00 PM (llXky)

122 while declaring that 1960s sex discrimination also magically included homosexuality.

It's all for show.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 07, 2022 05:57 PM (llXky)

Gorsuch made an even more breath-taking statement than the leftwing rubber stamps did on that one. To paraphrase, Gorsuch said he realized trannies were not part of the legislation but since he wanted them to be, what the heck. That actually was the most radical decision a USSC ever made, and that is saying something.

But the Federalist Society, man, that's a righteous organization and let's listen to their endorsements!

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 07, 2022 06:00 PM (nMx88)

123 > I don't trust the Supreme Court to rule correctly that the sun rotates on its axis and revolves around the sun.

SCOTUS has been a shithole institution since the USA first began. They put their blessing on slavery, child labor, eugenics, internment based on race alone, eminent domain based on projected tax receipts, Obamacare magically being a tax and not a tax whenever it's legally advantageous, etc.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 07, 2022 06:00 PM (YYlyE)

124 Affirmative Action VP
Affirmative Action Justices
Affirmative Action Military Leadership

We're screwed

Posted by: 29Victor at January 07, 2022 06:00 PM (BJKQV)

125 Another argument I've seen, it's been two years of this 'emergency', plenty of time to get Congressional Authorization for this mandate, yet the Administration hasn't even tried, even while the Democrats control Congress.

Posted by: davidt at January 07, 2022 06:01 PM (g98Pl)

126 It's Friday. Give me a break. I haven't eaten anything all day.

Posted by: Archer at January 07, 2022 06:01 PM (gmo/4)

127 Minus Markie Post's mullet and fantastic ta-tas.

They were magnificent.

Posted by: Puddleglum at January 07, 2022 06:01 PM (sAmhv)

128 Sotomayor would rather get her toes and feet amputated than put down the fork.

Posted by: x at January 07, 2022 06:01 PM (oA+QO)

129 If Kagan and Soto weren't justices, they would be on youtube, hassling the unmasked

hair lit on fire

Posted by: REDACTED at January 07, 2022 06:01 PM (us2H3)

130 And of course, if that one stands, "health care worker" will be given the widest possible interpretation.

--

do you work?
do you care about your health?

then you are a health care worker

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at January 07, 2022 06:01 PM (h1jJh)

131 Two of President Donald Trump's nominees, Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh,
---------------------------
Doesn't ACB also rank amongst those unclean ones??

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at January 07, 2022 06:02 PM (UHVv4)

132 They'll bust your knee caps
(Ooh wop, dee doo-wop, dee doo)
They'll bust your knee caps
That's what they're going to do
(Ooh wop, dee doo-wop, dee doo)
Probably some other stuff too
They'll bust your knee caps
Ooh wop, dee doo-wop, dee doo
They'll bust your knee caps
Ooh yeah, they're coming for you

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at January 07, 2022 06:02 PM (Vxu+H)

133
do you work?
do you care about your health?

then you are a health care worker
Posted by: Lemmiwinks

*drinks whiskey, burps, wipes mouth with forearm*

watch me thump this tiger's nut sack.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at January 07, 2022 06:03 PM (IJES/)

134 Breyer also said there were "750 million new cases yesterday" which seems like a lot in a nation of, what, 330 million?

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 07, 2022 06:04 PM (oLumX)

135 Why we aren't referring to Sotomayor as the "Wide Latina" is beyond me...

Posted by: Crooked at January 07, 2022 06:04 PM (1LDRq)

136 So the wide Latina made up some numbers. The important thing is that we not pounce. Or seize.

Posted by: 496 at January 07, 2022 06:04 PM (U1eOr)

137 LINK : https://tinyurl.com/y4caywjo

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 07, 2022 06:04 PM (oLumX)

138 Oprah, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton called Senator Joe Manchin and urged him to eliminate the filibuster

Posted by: Capital Eff at January 07, 2022 06:04 PM (GYllL)

139 As to the specific law, I guess it won't really matter since when do they release their decision, June? But I suppose a precedent will be made at the time.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 07, 2022 06:04 PM (coYBh)

140 Now that I think of it, it could have been one of us kids who wrecked the instruction book. The game saw heavy use back in the day.

It's funny how well it has held up. Love the graphics in particular. Orson Wells commercial is on youtube. Showed it to the kids.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 07, 2022 06:05 PM (llXky)

141 X hopefully

Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2022 06:05 PM (2JoB8)

142 davidt: "Another argument I've seen, it's been two years of this 'emergency', plenty of time to get Congressional Authorization for this mandate, yet the Administration hasn't even tried, even while the Democrats control Congress."

That's nothing. How many years since a proper budget was proffered? It has bi-partisan non-support.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Ashli Babbitt at January 07, 2022 06:05 PM (aXxgO)

143 106 Ah. He didn't get the booster. I just assume they are all lying liars who lie anymore. Saves time.
Posted by: Puddleglum at January 07, 2022 05:56 PM (sAmhv)

I genuinely think that one of the stages of the ongoing "I got all the shots and now have Covid!" meltdown will be a bunch of Big People admitting that they were lying about it in the hopes that they could trick all the Little People into playing test subject.

Posted by: CppThis at January 07, 2022 06:05 PM (UewuT)

144 Just behold the foundational baseless assumptions in those little press clips ace used.

You can't "combat the spread" of an already (long) prevalent highly infectious virus like this.

And of course as many have noted there is no evidence the "vaccinations" themselves even inhibit transmission, which while a moot point just piles more idiocy on the foundational idiocy.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 07, 2022 06:05 PM (OTzUX)

145 67 The Supreme Court has morphed into Night Court.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 07, 2022 05:48 PM (BFigT)

An unfunny version.

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 07, 2022 06:05 PM (H8QX8)

146 So the wide Latina made up some numbers. The important thing is that we not pounce. Or seize.
Posted by: 496

*screams and leaps*

Posted by: Schmee ( speaker to animals ) ya filthy animal at January 07, 2022 06:06 PM (IJES/)

147 OK, if its illegal to put a mandate on one set of workers, because it's not approved by Congress or the Constitution, how can it then be legal to place said mandate on another proffesion.

Either the feds have the power, or they don't... how can they have different powers depending on what job you hold... do your RIGHTS suddenly change?

Posted by: Reggy Love at January 07, 2022 06:06 PM (oHd/0)

148 139 As to the specific law, I guess it won't really matter since when do they release their decision, June? But I suppose a precedent will be made at the time.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 07, 2022 06:04 PM (coYBh)

Upholding even the health care mandate is beyond precedent. It is saying there is one branch of government, the Administrative State, and it and only it is subject to judicial review. The country is gone, anyway, but this will speed that process up.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 07, 2022 06:07 PM (nMx88)

149 My kid got the delta crud in November when his booster was only a month old, when if it was gonna do anything then would've been the most protection.

Posted by: NCKate at January 07, 2022 06:07 PM (z5Nun)

150
That's nothing. How many years since a proper budget was proffered? It has bi-partisan non-support.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Ashli Babbitt at January 07, 2022 06:05 PM (aXxgO)
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GOP had House and Senate. Could easily have done the old school budgets by departments, which were the rule for 210 years or so, but decided nope, Omnibus was the way to go. For unity or something.

If the GOP House doesn't go back to 'regular orders' you'll knew they've already sold out.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 07, 2022 06:07 PM (llXky)

151 Biden's beating COVID like he's beating his child-touching jones.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 07, 2022 06:07 PM (oLumX)

152 Kzinti, "leave us out of this. A Pierson Puppeteer is more edible than these desiccated Leftist hacks."

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 07, 2022 06:08 PM (fruAd)

153 >>Oprah, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton called Senator Joe Manchin and urged him to eliminate the filibuster

If this fails so does the Great Reset. Pretty hard to imagine bigger stakes.

Joe Manchin is now the most powerful man in America.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2022 06:08 PM (ZLI7S)

154 They aren't supposed to decide what is right or wrong. They are supposed to decide what is legal according to the constitution. I'm amazed that even all the justices don't understand and accept that.

Posted by: Javems at January 07, 2022 06:08 PM (AmoqO)

155
I was recently looking up a nursing program at an area hospital. Despite inroads from males it's still 90% female. Youngish females that would like to someday have normal offspring.

I can only appreciate their sacrifice and loss of employment some take as a stand for the future. Truth be told I counted my daughters fingers and toes when she was born.

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at January 07, 2022 06:08 PM (dQvv7)

156
Either the feds have the power, or they don't... how can they have different powers depending on what job you hold... do your RIGHTS suddenly change?
Posted by: Reggy Love at January 07, 2022 06:06 PM (oHd/0)

Some people have more constitutional rights than other people. That is the law of the land.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 07, 2022 06:08 PM (nMx88)

157 138 Oprah, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton called Senator Joe Manchin and urged him to eliminate the filibuster
Posted by: Capital Eff at January 07, 2022 06:04 PM (GYllL)

So, that should disqualify Dr Oz in PA...if Oprah has gotten directly political right now, it's almost certain he is the plant for her in PA...

Posted by: Nova local at January 07, 2022 06:08 PM (exHjb)

158
I saw video of Rachel Maddow blathering on about how recipients of COVID mRNA vaccines absolutely could not catch or transmit COVID-19. From last June I think. It was a false statement at the time, and it'z even less true now in that the Omicron variant actually appears to be enhanced by the vaccine, from possible ADE.

So maybe Kagan learned her misinformation from a trusted source, a fellow lesbian.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at January 07, 2022 06:09 PM (a34Pz)

159 apropos...did you guys see recent pics of Mike Pompeo ?? He lost a ton of weight - exercising and eating right. He also looks tanned and rested. AND UNRECOGNIZABLE. Full head of hair too. hmmmm...

Posted by: runner at January 07, 2022 06:09 PM (V13WU)

160 OK, if its illegal to put a mandate on one set of workers, because it's not approved by Congress or the Constitution, how can it then be legal to place said mandate on another proffesion.

Either the feds have the power, or they don't... how can they have different powers depending on what job you hold... do your RIGHTS suddenly change?

Posted by: Reggy Love at January 07, 2022 06:06 PM (oHd/0)
---
There's an unwritten clause that only Establishment types can see that says when it's Super Important the government can do whatever the hell it wants.

Notice how Liberals always praise Lincoln for being a dictator. They pine for that kind of control, and right now they're trying to gin up a reason to get it.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 07, 2022 06:09 PM (llXky)

161 My kid got the delta crud in November when his booster was only a month old, when if it was gonna do anything then would've been the most protection.
Posted by: NCKate

First hand reports such as this are 100% why Bif will never get a damned booster. had to get the double clot shot to stay employed, praying for common sense from scotus to avoid the booster

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at January 07, 2022 06:10 PM (IJES/)

162 If Sotomayer suffered a few diabetes induced amputations, it would add to her victim score by adding a checkbox for Disabled.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 07, 2022 06:10 PM (fruAd)

163 138 Oprah, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton called Senator Joe Manchin and urged him to eliminate the filibuster
Posted by: Capital Eff at January 07, 2022 06:04 PM (GYllL)

Did they also walk into a bar?

The Great Reset must be a windfall for the wealthy. Take note of the net worth of those three.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 07, 2022 06:10 PM (nMx88)

164 38 I didn't listen to oral arguments. Did they discuss facts about the efficacy and risks of the "vaccines," or were there only arguments about the lawfulness of the mandates sprinkled with the left's made up facts?
___________

According to VAERS, there have been more than 23,000 DEATHS reported from the vaccines.

And there have been over a million adverse reactions reported, including nearly 40,000 cases of permanent disability.

How can the government justify forcing people to submit to an experimental drug therapy, that carries a risk of death or permanent disability, to combat a virus that has a better than 99% survival rate (in the alpha and delta variations) and a 100% survival rate (in the omicron variation)?

As a matter of public policy, this crap is insane.

Even the CDC hacks admit that the "vaccines" don't stop transmission of the virus between people, so there is no justification for any of this.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at January 07, 2022 06:10 PM (k4dH2)

165 Either the feds have the power, or they don't... how can they have different powers depending on what job you hold... do your RIGHTS suddenly change?

Posted by: Reggy Love at January 07, 2022 06:06 PM (oHd/0)

We're living in a pandemic of corruption, incoherence and expedience.

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 07, 2022 06:10 PM (H8QX8)

166 Re: ACT vs SAT, the former is a big deal in the Midwest. Not sure all of the reasons but a lot of it probably comes down to the SAT being run by the East Coast elite and the ACT being run by the Midwest elite.

I took both back in the day, and colleges I applied to just used whichever one they were into.

Posted by: CppThis at January 07, 2022 06:11 PM (UewuT)

167 Vaxxes?? We don't heed no stinkin' vaxxes!

Posted by: Omicron at January 07, 2022 06:11 PM (UHVv4)

168 150 Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 07, 2022 06:07 PM (llXky)

The American people are debauched and in love with BIG spending a GOP that reasserted fiscal order would have been excoriated by the media and every wine mom coast to coast.....

I am a fiscal hawk, I empathize but Trump did not run as a fiscal hawk.

Posted by: sven at January 07, 2022 06:11 PM (Lzpvj)

169 159:

runner, you aren't kidding: https://tinyurl.com/2u8c35ur

Posted by: Liberty at January 07, 2022 06:11 PM (hq/LP)

170 Speaking of Covid, did anyone else notice a hiccup this week on reporting?

My weather app on my phone had been carrying it, but it stopped for a couple of days. Wife says Drudge dropped their ticker and then both came back up.

The narrative is getting confused...

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 07, 2022 06:11 PM (llXky)

171 There is no law except for the Supremes.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at January 07, 2022 06:12 PM (PUa6y)

172 I am watching the local news and they say cloth masks don't work and you should wash them at least once a week.

Posted by: f'd at January 07, 2022 06:12 PM (vrz2I)

173 162 If Sotomayer suffered a few diabetes induced amputations, it would add to her victim score by adding a checkbox for Disabled.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 07, 2022 06:10 PM (fruAd)

Throw her on the grill and call her Patty!

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 07, 2022 06:12 PM (II3Gr)

174 166 Posted by: CppThis at January 07, 2022 06:11 PM (UewuT)

The ACT is held to be a better indicator of overall academic comprehension.

Posted by: sven at January 07, 2022 06:12 PM (Lzpvj)

175 Even the CDC hacks admit that the "vaccines" don't stop transmission of the virus between people, so there is no justification for any of this.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at January 07, 2022 06:10 PM (k4dH2)

And even less justification to exempt politically preferable groups.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder at January 07, 2022 06:12 PM (SH2Zi)

176 162 If Sotomayer suffered a few diabetes induced amputations, it would add to her victim score by adding a checkbox for Disabled.
Posted by: Anna Puma

they don't last long after the feet amputations. on the plus side, you don't need the extra long coffin.

Posted by: x at January 07, 2022 06:12 PM (oA+QO)

177 >>Either the feds have the power, or they don't... how can they have different powers depending on what job you hold... do your RIGHTS suddenly change?

The argument made today was that healthcare workers receive a lot of their funding from the feds and therefore are subject to government rules.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2022 06:12 PM (ZLI7S)

178 OT-Family Research Council have some clever people that write headlines. This one says "Dems comparison of 1/6 to Pearl Harbor bombs"'. They quote Michael Goodwin, an excellent writer at the "NY Post" (Maybe we had his editorial in the links for Morning Thread?) saying the comparison to Pearl Harbor should be a day that should live in political infamy":

https://tinyurl.com/2zt26f8c

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 07, 2022 06:12 PM (k49Sx)

179 SCOTUS has been a shithole institution since the USA first began. They put their blessing on slavery, child labor, eugenics, internment based on race alone, eminent domain based on projected tax receipts, Obamacare magically being a tax and not a tax whenever it's legally advantageous, etc.

Yeah, they generally get things right but too often do not, and sometimes so horrifically its amazing they have any shred of respect at all.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 07, 2022 06:13 PM (KZzsI)

180 A partial list of COVID misinformation repeated by the US Supreme Court so far today -- https://bit.ly/3G6JiIj:

-100,000 children in critical care and on ventilators (Sotomayor)
-Vaccine mandate would prevent 100% of US cases (Breyer)
-COVID deaths are at an all-time high (Sotomayor)
It's "beyond settled" that vaccines and masks are best way to stop the spread (Kagan)
-COVID vaccines stop transmission (Kagan)
-Federal government can mandate vaccines using its police power (Sotomayor)
-Hospitals are nearing capacity (Sotomayor)
-Omicron is deadlier than Delta (Sotomayor)
-Hospitals are full of unvaccinated people (Breyer)

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 07, 2022 06:13 PM (Do5/p)

181 Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd: "If the GOP House doesn't go back to 'regular orders' you'll knew they've already sold out."

I know they already sold out. To claw back regular order would take guts. The fear of "government shutdown" is the hammer that remains forever because no single party will control 99% of the House, 99% of the Senate, 100% of the Executive, and 75% of SCOTUS.

An excuse will always remain until the Yuan replaces the Dollar and the Dollar becomes toilet paper.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at January 07, 2022 06:13 PM (aXxgO)

182 Yeah... Ron Johnson will be seeking re-election.

Posted by: redridinghood at January 07, 2022 06:14 PM (NpAcC)

183 177 Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2022 06:12 PM (ZLI7S)

yes and also SCOTUS-no you cannot drug test welfare recipients because "rights"

fuck these laws.

Posted by: sven at January 07, 2022 06:14 PM (Lzpvj)

184 The Supreme Court has morphed into Night Court.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 07, 2022 05:48 PM (BFigT)

An unfunny version.
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 07, 2022 06:05 PM (H8QX

Have you seen Night Court recently? They had enough original jokes and situations for about two seasons, but hung on for nine seasons.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 07, 2022 06:14 PM (YYlyE)

185 Here : https://tinyurl.com/2s4x4xyc

Pompeo in November 2021.

Posted by: runner at January 07, 2022 06:14 PM (V13WU)

186 F'd, just eewwww. Once a week? My kid refuses to wear a mask that isn't straight from the washing machine (hers shrink if they get in the dryer).

Posted by: Catherine at January 07, 2022 06:14 PM (ZSsrh)

187 Vaxxes?? We don't heed no stinkin' vaxxes!
Posted by: Omicron at January 07, 2022 06:11 PM

This++

Posted by: DEC PDP family at January 07, 2022 06:14 PM (a3Q+t)

188 The argument made today was that healthcare workers receive a lot of their funding from the feds and therefore are subject to government rules.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2022 06:12 PM (ZLI7S)

Educators also receive a lot of federal money. So I guess a CRT mandate also will pass constitutional muster if the health care worker mandate does. It will never stop, but that's a given now.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 07, 2022 06:15 PM (nMx88)

189 Did Soto or Kagen mention the Constitution?

Posted by: f'd at January 07, 2022 06:15 PM (vrz2I)

190
What about the other 57 genders?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 07, 2022 05:39 PM (z5Vrg)

Each gender gets it's own member of the Organization of Islamic States and variety of Heinz. They shall be stated with your pronouns.

Hi, I'm Bilwis, He, Him, Tomato Ketchup, Republic of Cameroon.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at January 07, 2022 06:15 PM (cupoy)

191 182 Yeah... Ron Johnson will be seeking re-election.
Posted by: redridinghood at January 07, 2022 06:14 PM (NpAcC)

Good news

Posted by: It's me donna at January 07, 2022 06:15 PM (TdaKq)

192 you aren't kidding: https://tinyurl.com/2u8c35ur
Posted by: Liberty at January 07, 2022 06:11 PM (hq/LP)

yeah, he is Army , but I won't hold that against him...

Posted by: runner at January 07, 2022 06:16 PM (V13WU)

193 Vaxxes?? We don't heed no stinkin' vaxxes!

Posted by: Omicron at January 07, 2022 06:11 PM

There are only 2 certainties in life: death and vaxxes

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 07, 2022 06:16 PM (Do5/p)

194 186 F'd, just eewwww. Once a week? My kid refuses to wear a mask that isn't straight from the washing machine (hers shrink if they get in the dryer).

I do it occasionally.... I spray it with spray hand sanitizer

Posted by: It's me donna at January 07, 2022 06:16 PM (TdaKq)

195 139 As to the specific law, I guess it won't really matter since when do they release their decision, June? But I suppose a precedent will be made at the time.
_____________

You won't have to wait until June for this one, it's being expedited.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at January 07, 2022 06:16 PM (k4dH2)

196 yeah, he is Army , but I won't hold that against him...
Posted by: runner at January 07, 2022 06:16 PM

Oorah > Hooah

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 07, 2022 06:17 PM (a3Q+t)

197 188 Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 07, 2022 06:15 PM (nMx8

Taken to its rhetorical and logical conclusion civil servants, soldiers, and welfare recipients have no liberties.....

well Justices and Elected officials excepted of course.

Posted by: sven at January 07, 2022 06:17 PM (Lzpvj)

198 It was Scalia who asked "Could the government require us to eat our broccoli?"

And how they laughed.

Posted by: As Miklos recalls at January 07, 2022 06:17 PM (QzkSJ)

199 Good news
Posted by: It's me donna at January 07, 2022 06:15 PM (TdaKq)
***
Yes it is.

Posted by: redridinghood at January 07, 2022 06:17 PM (NpAcC)

200 apropos...did you guys see recent pics of Mike Pompeo ?? He lost a ton of weight - exercising and eating right. He also looks tanned and rested. AND UNRECOGNIZABLE. Full head of hair too. hmmmm...
Posted by: runner at January 07, 2022 06:09 PM (V13WU)

You tend to do that if you are running for President. Well all except PDT. PDT is who he is

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2022 06:17 PM (Irn0L)

201
The Democrats infamous charge of 'War on Women' - which was projection of course - is going to come back and bite them on the ass as all of the women of childbearing age are forced to take a vaccine that scares the hell out of them. Or lose their jobs.

The left catered to one group at the expense of the future.

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at January 07, 2022 06:17 PM (dQvv7)

202
180 A partial list of COVID misinformation repeated by the US Supreme Court so far today -- https://bit.ly/3G6JiIj:

[...]

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 07, 2022 06:13 PM (Do5/p)

------

Shocking ignorance. They sound like stoned high school dropouts. Is their staff feeding them this crap?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at January 07, 2022 06:17 PM (a34Pz)

203 Hi, I'm Bilwis, He, Him, Tomato Ketchup, Republic of Cameroon.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at January 07, 2022 06:15 PM (cupoy)

Nice to meet him, Tomato Ketchup.

It is Waraiotoko, It, Deez, HP Brown Sauce, Djibouti

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 07, 2022 06:17 PM (6FeV1)

204 Did I read correctly that SCOTUS votes on the mandate Monday night?

Posted by: davidt at January 07, 2022 06:18 PM (g98Pl)

205 196 Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 07, 2022 06:17 PM (a3Q+t)

Create with Crayola

Posted by: sven at January 07, 2022 06:18 PM (Lzpvj)

206 I honestly don't know why a woman of child-bearing age (a large percentage of nurses) would want to take the vaxx without longterm studies on the effects on pregnant women, fetuses, nursing infants. So I guess we'll have to force them to take it so the people they come in contact with won't catch it from them even though many of them have the vaxx, which, like Schroedingers cat, both works and doesn't work.

Posted by: SCOTUS at January 07, 2022 06:18 PM (fs1hN)

207 Shocking ignorance. They sound like stoned high school dropouts. Is their staff feeding them this crap?
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at January 07, 2022 06:17 PM (a34Pz)

But the vaccines have what plants crave.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 07, 2022 06:18 PM (6FeV1)

208 Did Soto or Kagen mention the Constitution?

Well that's the problem. They are not arguing the constitutionality of it.. they are getting into the weeds and that's the problem. The question is, is it constitutional. They have veered so far off the question it's just a bunch of theater now.

Posted by: Jewells45 deplorablethug#FJB at January 07, 2022 06:18 PM (nxdel)

209
Hi, I'm Bilwis, He, Him, Tomato Ketchup, Republic of Cameroon.
Posted by: Bilwis

hi Bilwis!

i'm Bif (that asshoe, fuck you, omg, no really fuck you!)

shall we get coffee after the meeting and bad mouth the rest of the group of loosers?

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at January 07, 2022 06:18 PM (IJES/)

210 188 The argument made today was that healthcare workers receive a lot of their funding from the feds and therefore are subject to government rules.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2022 06:12 PM (ZLI7S)

Educators also receive a lot of federal money. So I guess a CRT mandate also will pass constitutional muster if the health care worker mandate does. It will never stop, but that's a given now.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat

See NFIB v. Sebelius for that.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2022 06:18 PM (dCGWj)

211 We don't have enough fire-and-brimstone in the justice department to fuel a proper rage against the provincials.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 07, 2022 06:18 PM (r0ADi)

212 There is no law except for the Supremes.

Stop! In the name of love!

Posted by: Diana Ross at January 07, 2022 06:19 PM (786Ro)

213 You tend to do that if you are running for President. Well all except PDT. PDT is who he is
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2022 06:17 PM (Irn0L)

Posted by: runner at January 07, 2022 06:19 PM (V13WU)

214 189 Did Soto or Kagen mention the Constitution?
Posted by: f'd at January 07, 2022 06:15 PM (vrz2I)

Constitution was a dump stat for both. They each have a -3 modifier to their Constitution saving throws. So they avoid situations involving the Constitution as much as possible.

Posted by: 29Victor at January 07, 2022 06:19 PM (BJKQV)

215 Want a nightmare?

What if all the Democrats retiring get replaced by Squad pod-people?

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 07, 2022 06:19 PM (fruAd)

216 Boink, boink on the head; boink!

- The Supreme Court

Posted by: Archer at January 07, 2022 06:19 PM (gmo/4)

217 Sotomayor is dumber then a bag of dirt.

SCOTUS just making shit up is embarrassing. Vaccine stop the transmission? Do these people live in huts on Borneo?

Posted by: Marcus T at January 07, 2022 06:19 PM (Ue1mI)

218 That tennis player Djokavic's father seems like a tough old guy. Telling the Aussies to FOAD.

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 07, 2022 06:19 PM (H8QX8)

219 shall we get coffee after the meeting and bad mouth the rest of the group of loosers?
Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at January 07, 2022 06:18 PM (IJES/)

Badmouthing loosers is tight.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 07, 2022 06:20 PM (II3Gr)

220 214 Posted by: 29Victor at January 07, 2022 06:19 PM (BJKQV)

Yeah Soto put all her points in CHA and Muppet K in CON.....

obvious 21 point toons....

Posted by: sven at January 07, 2022 06:20 PM (Lzpvj)

221 There is no law, only Zuul!

Posted by: Archer at January 07, 2022 06:20 PM (gmo/4)

222 Stop! In the name of love!

Sotomayer and Kagan in shimmery dresses... well there goes any idea for dinner.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 07, 2022 06:20 PM (fruAd)

223 As a unvaccinated nurse, call me unemployed.

Posted by: Gonzotx at January 07, 2022 06:20 PM (t4poC)

224
Shocking ignorance. They sound like stoned high school dropouts. Is their staff feeding them this crap?
______________

I haven't read the amicus briefs, but Dr. CAT (from here) reported earlier today that the justices were getting the bullshit "there are 100,000 kids currently in the hospital with covid" from the amicus brief submitted by the lefty doctor organization known as the AMA.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at January 07, 2022 06:21 PM (k4dH2)

225 You'd kinda hope the fear porn and misinformation would stop at the SCOTUS door. Good grief. What idiots.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 07, 2022 06:21 PM (Ue1mI)

226 Jewells45: "Well that's the problem. They are not arguing the constitutionality of it.. they are getting into the weeds and that's the problem. The question is, is it constitutional. They have veered so far off the question it's just a bunch of theater now."

Yeah, this is the point where their expertise in Legislating appears. They put on their Congress hat and wail away.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at January 07, 2022 06:21 PM (aXxgO)

227 215 Posted by: Anna Puma at January 07, 2022 06:19 PM (fruAd)

I suspect the steal was at its heart sheer terror at the prospect of being on the other side of the Warren Court split.....

gave the dears nightmares.

Posted by: sven at January 07, 2022 06:21 PM (Lzpvj)

228 SCOTUS just making shit up is embarrassing. Vaccine stop the transmission? Do these people live in huts on Borneo?
Posted by: Marcus T at January 07, 2022 06:19 PM (Ue1mI)

For most of my life, I believed that a person would have to be a serious thinker to be a Supreme Court justice.

I've been so naive.

Posted by: Emmie at January 07, 2022 06:21 PM (t62xj)

229 222 Stop! In the name of love!

Sotomayer and Kagan in shimmery dresses... well there goes any idea for dinner.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 07, 2022 06:20 PM (fruAd)

Stop! In the name of lunch
before I bring it up
all o-o-ver

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 07, 2022 06:21 PM (6FeV1)

230 To lose one vaxx may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose boosters looks like carelessness.

Posted by: Omicron Wilde at January 07, 2022 06:21 PM (UHVv4)

231 208 Did Soto or Kagen mention the Constitution?

Well that's the problem. They are not arguing the constitutionality of it.. they are getting into the weeds and that's the problem. The question is, is it constitutional. They have veered so far off the question it's just a bunch of theater now.

Posted by: Jewells45

Jewells45,
Laws are presumed constitutional so that challengers have the burden of proof to show that it is not so. Furthermore, there is the practice that constitutional questions are to be avoided if the mandate would fail based on ordinary law. So, strictly speaking, the constitutional question only comes into play if the Biden junta promulgated the regulations according to statutes like the Administrative Procedures Act requiring notice and comment, etc.

Difficult to claim emergency when both the Administration and Congress had months before issuing the 'emergency' rule to actually pass legislation granting the CMS and OSHA the power to do what they did.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2022 06:22 PM (dCGWj)

232 As a unvaccinated nurse, call me unemployed.
Posted by: Gonzotx at January 07, 2022 06:20 PM (t4poC)

call yourself a consultant

Posted by: runner at January 07, 2022 06:22 PM (V13WU)

233 How about "Cloth masks don't work and trash them once"

Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2022 06:22 PM (2JoB8)

234 Did Soto or Kagen mention theIR Constitution?
.........

Mostly diarrhea or constipation.

Posted by: wth at January 07, 2022 06:22 PM (v0R5T)

235 117 67 The Supreme Court has morphed into Night Court.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 07, 2022 05:48 PM (BFigT)

Minus Markie Post's mullet and fantastic ta-tas.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at January 07, 2022 05:59 PM (DTX3h)

I remember those ta-tas. Heh.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 07, 2022 06:22 PM (mdjgu)

236 I think Sotowhatever has diabetes. So overweight and diabetic.

I think emergency medics were dispatched at least twice in the past for a diabetic coma. Send her a giant cake.

Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at January 07, 2022 06:23 PM (y7DUB)

237 For most of my life, I believed that a person would have to be a serious thinker to be a Supreme Court justice.

I've been so naive.

Posted by: Emmie at January 07, 2022 06:21 PM (t62xj)

You are not alone; I too had thought that.

Posted by: Archer at January 07, 2022 06:23 PM (gmo/4)

238 >>>Exactly. I want Thomas Sowell's ghost

Dude he's still alive as far as I know.

Posted by: mikethemoose at January 07, 2022 06:23 PM (rFIOB)

239 vaxx is a tax !

--Chief Justice Roberts

Posted by: runner at January 07, 2022 06:23 PM (V13WU)

240 237 For most of my life, I believed that a person would have to be a serious thinker to be a Supreme Court justice.

Well... Merritt Garland was nominated so no

Posted by: It's me donna at January 07, 2022 06:24 PM (TdaKq)

241 "there are 100,000 kids currently in the hospital with covid" from the amicus brief submitted by the lefty doctor organization known as the AMA.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at January 07, 2022 06:21 PM (k4dH2)

There are ~100k kids in the hospital at the moment. Any hospital is all but guaranteed to have at least a few SARS-CoV-2 particles somewhere inside the perimeter of the property lines.

Ergo: 100,000 kids in the hospital *with* covid.

Quod Erat Democratum

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 07, 2022 06:24 PM (6FeV1)

242 "Posted by: whig at January 07, 2022 06:22 PM (dCGWj)"

Notwithstanding states rights issues, the liberal justices didn't entertain and notion regarding the fact this was an issue for Congress, not the Executive Branch or agencies, none of which have the explicit power to compel forced vaccinations.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 07, 2022 06:24 PM (Ue1mI)

243 Looks like a lot of the lefty justices get their news on Covid from Joy Reid.

Posted by: redridinghood at January 07, 2022 06:24 PM (NpAcC)

244 Should all doctors be forced to vaxx as well ? Why stop at nurses?

Posted by: runner at January 07, 2022 06:25 PM (V13WU)

245 A tax, and a floorwax!

Posted by: Schroedinger's Vaxx at January 07, 2022 06:25 PM (fs1hN)

246 The boy has to wear a mask at private school, I ordered 1000 black surgical masks from Amazon and tell him to throw them out at least at lunch and dismissal.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at January 07, 2022 06:25 PM (ySQBZ)

247 I'd like to see the Wide Latina and Big Mooch go to dinner and fight over the last burrito.

Posted by: wth at January 07, 2022 06:25 PM (v0R5T)

248 Can someone help me here? I'm sort of stumped as to how 100K kids infected with Covid has any bearing on the issue before the court?

I thought the issue was about whether or not the government has the power it claims and not about little Timmy sick in the hospital.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 07, 2022 06:25 PM (5pTK/)

249 237 For most of my life, I believed that a person would have to be a serious thinker to be a Supreme Court justice.

I've been so naive.

Posted by: Emmie at January 07, 2022 06:21 PM (t62xj)

You are not alone; I too had thought that.

Posted by: Archer at January 07, 2022 06:23 PM (gmo/4)

I used to believe in things like meritocracy, competence, diligence, hard work, decency. Then I found out it's all bullshit and these things don't matter. If anything, they work against you. So fuck the game and fuck the system.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 07, 2022 06:25 PM (II3Gr)

250 For most of my life, I believed that a person would have to be a serious thinker to be a Supreme Court justice.

I've been so naive.

Posted by: Emmie

The truth is most of them were political hacks in the past and today are mainly proteges in the judiciary of a few important senators.

Standout justices are rare and there has never been a full court composed of legal genius ever. Precedent, though, constrains even the legal geniuses in that certain decisions were considered wrong in hindsight but would require a massive effort to correct over decades which upsets the principle of legal stability.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2022 06:25 PM (dCGWj)

251 >>Did I read correctly that SCOTUS votes on the mandate Monday night?

Likely before since the mandates start on Monday.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2022 06:25 PM (ZLI7S)

252 does this BS mandate apply only to medicial institutions receiving fed aid ?

Posted by: runner at January 07, 2022 06:26 PM (V13WU)

253 It's me donna: "Well... Merritt Garland was nominated so no"

That just sent a shiver down my spine. Holy cow did we dodge a ~~bullet~~ howitzer.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at January 07, 2022 06:26 PM (aXxgO)

254
As a unvaccinated nurse, call me unemployed.

Posted by: Gonzotx at January 07, 2022 06:20 PM

Private duty position? Under the table, cash only?

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at January 07, 2022 06:26 PM (dQvv7)

255 *medical

Posted by: runner at January 07, 2022 06:26 PM (V13WU)

256 trivia re ACT and SAT- It used to be that a high score on either would qualify for MENSA. That stopped when MENSA decided they were no longer proof of IQ. ACT was no longer accepted after 1989. SAT not accepted after 1994. Scores from tests earlier than that can still get you in.

Posted by: Delurk Ergo Sum at January 07, 2022 06:26 PM (SmFPm)

257 Anyway, my predictions:

SCOTUS strikes them both down with 6-3 decisions.

Majority opinion says this is a gross federal overreach that doesn't even have a clearly defined scope.

Dissenting opinion is mostly left wing psychobabble but provides cover for blue states that want to implement their own mandates.

Team SlowJoeHoe already knows this which is why they had that briefing to prep the donkey barns for local oppression.

Posted by: CppThis at January 07, 2022 06:26 PM (UewuT)

258 244 Should all doctors be forced to vaxx as well ? Why stop at nurses?
Posted by: runner at January 07, 2022 06:25 PM (V13WU

Everyone from the parking garage attendant to the info desk clerk to the guy slinging slip in the hospital cafeteria. Because why not?

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 07, 2022 06:27 PM (II3Gr)

259 vaxx is a tax !
--------------------------------
I wish I had said that.

Posted by: Omicron Wilde at January 07, 2022 06:27 PM (UHVv4)

260 *slop

Fuck you autocorrect.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 07, 2022 06:27 PM (II3Gr)

261 256 Posted by: Delurk Ergo Sum at January 07, 2022 06:26 PM (SmFPm)

Which makes no sense since the tests didn't change, but hey "IQ" not ethics or sanity are the straw that stirs their drink

Posted by: sven at January 07, 2022 06:27 PM (Lzpvj)

262 208 Did Soto or Kagen mention the Constitution?

Well that's the problem. They are not arguing the constitutionality of it.. they are getting into the weeds and that's the problem. The question is, is it constitutional. They have veered so far off the question it's just a bunch of theater now.

Posted by: Jewells45 deplorablethug#FJB at January 07, 2022 06:18 PM (nxdel)

The ends justify the means for Progressives. Always.

Posted by: Gref at January 07, 2022 06:27 PM (AMIL/)

263 Should all doctors be forced to vaxx as well ? Why stop at nurses?
Posted by: runner at January 07, 2022 06:25 PM (V13WU

It includes Doctors

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2022 06:28 PM (Irn0L)

264 runner, I'm pretty sure CMS applies to doctors and nurses both.

Posted by: Catherine at January 07, 2022 06:28 PM (ZSsrh)

265 Which is more likely? a teacher contracts omicron from a student or student contracts herpes from a teacher?

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at January 07, 2022 06:29 PM (cupoy)

266 Should all doctors be forced to vaxx as well ? Why stop at nurses?
Posted by: runner at January 07, 2022 06:25 PM (V13WU

It includes Doctors
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2022 06:28 PM (Irn0L)

264 runner, I'm pretty sure CMS applies to doctors and nurses both.
Posted by: Catherine at January 07, 2022 06:28 PM (ZSsrh)

It includes anyone who works at a Hospital, everyone

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2022 06:29 PM (Irn0L)

267 I'm starting to think Harriet Miers would have been a great choice, compared to the idiots currently occupying SCOTUS.

In fact, I'm now of the opinion Miers would have been a good solid jurist, based on the over the top reaction when she was nominated.

But, huge caveat, I know nothing about her and am only going by my admittedly flawed memory of the sturm and drang surrounding the announcement.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 07, 2022 06:30 PM (5pTK/)

268 https://www.breitbart.com/biden frees record number-of-illegal aliens into us-via catch and release

Cut loose nearly 151,000 into the country.

Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2022 06:30 PM (2JoB8)

269 There are ~100k kids in the hospital at the moment. Any hospital is all but guaranteed to have at least a few SARS-CoV-2 particles somewhere inside the perimeter of the property lines.

Ergo: 100,000 kids in the hospital *with* covid.
_______________

Not even close, according to HHS, the current number of kids in hospital "with" covid is 3,342. And most of those kids are not in the hospital because of covid, they just tested positive for it.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at January 07, 2022 06:30 PM (k4dH2)

270 I'm sure it applies to all manufacturers of dairy products.

Posted by: 496 at January 07, 2022 06:30 PM (U1eOr)

271 It includes anyone who works at a Hospital, everyone

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2022 06:29 PM (Irn0L)
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Local nurses union already voted to authorize a strike if forced to vax.

Good thing everyone's healthy!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 07, 2022 06:30 PM (llXky)

272 258 Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 07, 2022 06:27 PM (II3Gr)

I had a heated chat at work with a Carf evangelical "it is just science bra you have a molecular engineering degree?"

I finally snapped like a rubberband to a degree and asked what the dipshit mods at twatter got their medical research degrees in and threw the fact the founder of the MRNA paradigm is hesitant in his face.

The force got their booster in me, and I have decided I will risk at most 3 more then I quit.

I am not blowing my heart apart for them.

Posted by: sven at January 07, 2022 06:30 PM (Lzpvj)

273
Yeah, but Doctors, still predominately male, can walk away from the infant born with flippers instead of hands. I suspect this is infinitely more difficult for women - still ~90% of nurses.

I suspect that even the nurses who got the vax have extreme empathy for the nurses who choose not to.

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at January 07, 2022 06:31 PM (dQvv7)

274 Sotomenor likened unvaxxed people who spread a deadly virus to machines that spew toxins, and asked why OSHA shouldn't regulate them.

That's clearly reason to impeach. Immediately.

Posted by: Jailhouse Constituional Scholar at January 07, 2022 06:31 PM (fIwUG)

275 >>Not even close, according to HHS, the current number of kids in hospital "with" covid is 3,342. And most of those kids are not in the hospital because of covid, they just tested positive for it.

And how many caught it while they were there?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 07, 2022 06:31 PM (URNdm)

276 Posted by: whig at January 07, 2022 06:22 PM (dCGWj)

*in best Forrest Gump voice*
Okay

Posted by: Jewells45 deplorablethug#FJB at January 07, 2022 06:31 PM (nxdel)

277 Prager yesterday said a living constitution means whatever you say it means, that's why they love that concept.

Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2022 06:31 PM (2JoB8)

278
251 >>Did I read correctly that SCOTUS votes on the mandate Monday night?

Likely before since the mandates start on Monday.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2022 06:25 PM (ZLI7S)

-----

You mean I hafta work on the weekend?

*waaaaaaah* it's oppression *waaaaaaaah*

Posted by: Sonia Sotomayor at January 07, 2022 06:32 PM (a34Pz)

279
It includes Doctors

==

dental assistants ? guy making crowns in the lab ???

Posted by: runner at January 07, 2022 06:32 PM (V13WU)

280 If the mandate stands, I'm assuming they will set the perpetual booster machine on and everyone under the mandate will have to get their booster every 4-6 mos. I wonder if any subtleties such as mixing vaxx brands, or current health condition, or pregnancy would have carve outs. Nah, it'll be fine.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 07, 2022 06:32 PM (fs1hN)

281 Not even close, according to HHS, the current number of kids in hospital "with" covid is 3,342.

But the 100,000 figure was in a LEGAL brief! It's right here *shakes paper a la David Letterman*

Posted by: t-bird at January 07, 2022 06:32 PM (OMKK+)

282 Somebody sent me a funny joke...I'll share it later !

Posted by: runner at January 07, 2022 06:32 PM (V13WU)

283 And most of those kids are not in the hospital because of covid, they just tested positive for it.

My Great Niece went into the hospital with appendicitis and tested positive for covid...

Posted by: It's me donna at January 07, 2022 06:32 PM (TdaKq)

284 Notwithstanding states rights issues, the liberal justices didn't entertain and notion regarding the fact this was an issue for Congress, not the Executive Branch or agencies, none of which have the explicit power to compel forced vaccinations.

Posted by: Marcus T

Depends on what questions that the court accepted, remember this is whether or not the court finds that OSHA has the legislative authority in the first place (because this is essentially interlocutory appeal regarding a preliminary injunction). Ditto for the CMS, so the justices consider the facts most favorable to the government's position that these agencies do have that power.

If the Court finds that the agencies lack the ability to issue such a rule under the most favorable conditions, then a permanent injunction is warranted for this route of rulemaking.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2022 06:33 PM (dCGWj)

285 I'm sure it applies to all manufacturers of dairy products.
Posted by: 496 at January 07, 2022 06:30 PM

At least the ones who can't get past your eyes.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 07, 2022 06:33 PM (a3Q+t)

286 274 Sotomenor likened unvaxxed people who spread a deadly virus to machines that spew toxins, and asked why OSHA shouldn't regulate them.

That's clearly reason to impeach. Immediately.
Posted by: Jailhouse Constituional Scholar at January 07, 2022 06:31 PM (fIwUG)

Uh with all due respect (ha!) your honor, people have rights, which is right there in your job description called the CONSTITUTION. Machines do not.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 07, 2022 06:34 PM (fs1hN)

287
Have you seen Night Court recently? They had enough original jokes and situations for about two seasons, but hung on for nine seasons.
Posted by: bonhomme

Watch from the beginning and stop when Selma dies.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 07, 2022 06:34 PM (63Dwl)

288 Usually conference occurs on Friday for voting on merits of cases but with this case scheduled, do not know whether a merits vote has been pushed until Monday.

Merits means a tentative vote and assignment of opinions.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2022 06:34 PM (dCGWj)

289 A partial list of COVID misinformation repeated by the US Supreme Court so far today

In before b&

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 07, 2022 06:35 PM (KZzsI)

290 PCR tests produce mostly false positives. All your statistics suck. Everything you say is stupid.

Posted by: Jailhouse Math Wizard at January 07, 2022 06:35 PM (fIwUG)

291 https://www.breitbart.com/biden frees record number-of-illegal aliens into us-via catch and release

Cut loose nearly 151,000 into the country.
Posted by: Skip

The 199,000 new jobs figure kind of loses its luster, doesn't it?

Posted by: t-bird at January 07, 2022 06:35 PM (fSmfa)

292 Sotomayor knows how to rule on it before she heard a word of arguments

Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2022 06:35 PM (2JoB8)

293
I'm sure it applies to all manufacturers of dairy products.
Posted by: 496 at January 07, 2022 06:30 PM

I'd be udderly surprised if it did.

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at January 07, 2022 06:35 PM (dQvv7)

294 Again there was a report out of Britain that claimed most people who tested positive for the Wuhan Flu caught it at the hospital.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 07, 2022 06:36 PM (KZzsI)

295 Kzinti, "leave us out of this. A Pierson Puppeteer is more edible than these desiccated Leftist hacks."
Posted by: Anna Puma

The Kzinti would probably be find with a couple of the liberal SCJ... well marbled...

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 07, 2022 06:36 PM (TYbad)

296 They had enough original jokes and situations for about two seasons, but hung on for nine seasons

Like many great comedies, they decided they wanted to be a crappy drama instead.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 07, 2022 06:37 PM (CX3cf)

297 >>@ArronParnas

>>JUST IN: Two lawyers that argued against Biden's vaccine mandate in front of the Supreme Court have tested positive for COVID.

One of the two, Benjamin Flowers, was triple vaccinated.

But the vaccines are all that stand between us and the virus.

Clown world.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2022 06:38 PM (ZLI7S)

298 Uh with all due respect (ha!) your honor, people have rights, which is right there in your job description TO PROTECT* called the CONSTITUTION. Machines do not.

*proofread before hitting post. Sorry.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 07, 2022 06:38 PM (fs1hN)

299 Well... Merritt Garland was nominated so no
Posted by: It's me donna at January 07, 2022 06:24 PM (TdaKq)

McConnell is a despicable grifter and a repellent human being, but keeping that motherfucking piece of shit off the court may make his spot in hell a bit cooler. McConnell blocked Garland for fundraising purposes because he, like the rest of the D.C. rabble, expected Hillary to win, but the result was the same so there's that.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 07, 2022 06:38 PM (nMx88)

300 Gee, remember way back when Trump was preezy, Chief Asshoe John Roberts declared

U.S. Chief Justice John Roberts, speaking at a New York synagogue on Tuesday night, lamented the perception that the Supreme Court is becoming politicized and that the justices' decisions are guided primarily by their partisan affiliation.

"It just isn't so" he lied with a straight face.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 07, 2022 06:38 PM (F0YaR)

301 Norwegian conscripts are to return their underwear after completing military service for the next recruits, as the army struggles with dwindling supplies due to Covid.

Norway, which guards Nato's northern borders and shares a border with Russia, calls up about 8,000 young men and women for military service every year and until recently allowed newly discharged conscripts to leave barracks with the underwear they were issued.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at January 07, 2022 06:38 PM (UHVv4)

302 noodles

Posted by: davidt at January 07, 2022 06:39 PM (g98Pl)

303
Again there was a report out of Britain that claimed most people who tested positive for the Wuhan Flu caught it at the hospital.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 07, 2022 06:36 PM

If R=5 and you're around five people and you're uninfected, then you're *it*.

No tagbacks!

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at January 07, 2022 06:39 PM (dQvv7)

304 257 Anyway, my predictions:

SCOTUS strikes them both down with 6-3 decisions.

I expect complete betrayal, that it upholds both.

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 07, 2022 06:39 PM (H8QX8)

305
Prager yesterday said a living constitution means whatever you say it means, that's why they love that concept.
Posted by: Skip

Walter Williams used to say he'd like to play poker with you and have the rules be "living"

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 07, 2022 06:39 PM (63Dwl)

306 11 Sotomayor has been an idiot her entire life/career.

Posted by: FriscoYoda at January 07, 2022 05:37 PM (+56GQ)

That's an upgrade.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 07, 2022 06:40 PM (F0YaR)

307 One of the two, Benjamin Flowers, was triple vaccinated.
-----

Well the brief here says that the vaxx prevents you from catching the Covid, so therefore Mr Flowers, you are lying. I will discount all your testimony and may Gaia have mercy on your soul

Posted by: Wide Latina at January 07, 2022 06:41 PM (fs1hN)

308 dental assistants ? guy making crowns in the lab ???
Posted by: runner at January 07, 2022 06:32 PM (V13WU)

Only if they work in a Hospital. Not private offices

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2022 06:41 PM (Irn0L)

309 "If the Court finds that the agencies lack the ability to issue such a rule under the most favorable conditions, then a permanent injunction is warranted for this route of rulemaking.
Posted by: whig at January 07, 2022 06:33 PM (dCGWj)"

I believe The government admitted during argument this was unprecedented and then quickly tried to move to why it was warranted. That's when all the phony statistics started flying. It was pathos vs facts.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 07, 2022 06:42 PM (Ue1mI)

310 >>189 Did Soto or Kagen mention the Constitution?

Not one the asshoe's in that room or on the phone made reference to the Constitution.

Posted by: Capital Eff at January 07, 2022 06:43 PM (GYllL)

311 *in best Forrest Gump voice*
Okay

Posted by: Jewells45

Jewells, the normal procedure is for a court to rule after hearing arguments and evidence from both sides. However, these cases came to the Supreme Court as preliminary injunctions from district courts and thence appealed to the 5th and 6th circuits from even going into effect. To win a preliminary injunction against a rule, you have to demonstrate irreparable harm that outweighs any benefits from the action plus that the challengers are likely to prevail at trial. The challengers have the burden of proof for these elements.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2022 06:43 PM (dCGWj)

312 As a unvaccinated nurse, call me unemployed.

Posted by: Gonzotx at January 07, 2022 06:20 PM

Private duty position? Under the table, cash only?
Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplu

Work inner city patching up gunshot victims

Posted by: Phuk Ho Le at January 07, 2022 06:46 PM (iCh3X)

313 If the vax is so great and the answer ( and by the way I am triple vaxxed ) then why is Sotomayer afraid to show up in person?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2022 06:46 PM (Irn0L)

314 Was never a Night Court fan, was on in my teenage years but never watched it.

Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2022 06:48 PM (2JoB8)

315 297
JUST IN: Two lawyers that argued against Biden's vaccine mandate in front of the Supreme Court have tested positive for COVID.

One of the two, Benjamin Flowers, was triple vaccinated.
* * *

But the vaccines are the best way of preventing transmission of the virus!!!

So let's make everybody get the vaccines, even though they don't actually prevent transmission of the virus, because it'll be doing something, and something's better than nothing, even if it doesn't work, right?

It's totally worth risking death or permanent disability to guard against getting a virus that has almost no chance of killing you, and that you're probably going to get anyway, no matter how many vaccinations you get, right?

It's so bizarre that we're even arguing about this. It literally makes no sense.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at January 07, 2022 06:48 PM (k4dH2)

316 135 Why we aren't referring to Sotomayor as the "Wide Latina" is beyond me...

Posted by: Crooked at January 07, 2022 06:04 PM (1LDRq)
136 So the wide Latina made up some numbers. The important thing is that we not pounce. Or seize.

Posted by: 496 at January 07, 2022 06:04 PM (U1eOr)

Wow, that was quick.

Posted by: a.moron at January 07, 2022 06:48 PM (F6Xpw)

317 Sotomayor is in a heavy death bracket of Covid.

Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2022 06:49 PM (2JoB8)

318 I believe The government admitted during argument this was unprecedented and then quickly tried to move to why it was warranted. That's when all the phony statistics started flying. It was pathos vs facts.

Posted by: Marcus T

On both issues, the question is whether OSHA (or CMS in the other case) have the legitimate delegated authority to issue regulations. OSHA issued them as an emergency, dunno about CMS justification. On state police power to issue such regulations, most states have statutory and administrative power to do so under Jacobson v. Mass and even the later lamented Buck v. Bell std.
But federal police power has to be tied to specific legislative authorization to the agencies granted via Congress within its delegated constitutional powers to legislate.

Medicare and CMS's police power rests on the welfare clause power and OSHA's police power under the commerce clause. Dunno if that is broad enough to grant Congressional power absent the specific delegation of those powers to the agencies in the first place.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2022 06:50 PM (dCGWj)

319 Also, I think Kamala is rather stupid or has some sword hanging over her, because even though a leftist wouldn't she figure out that comparing 1/6 to Pearl Harbor or 9/11 just makes you look like an unhinged nutcase-particularly if you're the VP? Perhaps they had some way of forcing her to say that? Some dolt not far from me still has a thing up from the election with little flags and saying " national Unity with Biden and Harris"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 07, 2022 06:55 PM (k49Sx)

320 Seriously this is ridiculous. It should be a slam dunk for all justices to rule against the mandates, otherwise it will never stop. What's to prevent employers from telling you you have to have 5, 6, 7... shots?

Posted by: redridinghood at January 07, 2022 06:56 PM (NpAcC)

321 >>>Sotomenor likened unvaxxed people who spread a deadly virus to machines that spew toxins, and asked why OSHA shouldn't regulate them.

This! (picture of Sotomeyer)

Embraces NAZI rhetoric?!

Posted by: Phuk Ho Le at January 07, 2022 06:56 PM (iCh3X)

322 Fen it's rhetoric, I doubt they believe their on BS but know Leftist die hard will.

Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2022 06:59 PM (2JoB8)

323 We are willowed you all know

Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2022 07:00 PM (2JoB8)

324 I doubt there are 100k "kids" in hospital, period. (Kid==child under 12.)

Posted by: FriscoYoda at January 07, 2022 07:23 PM (+56GQ)

325 203 Hi, I'm Bilwis, He, Him, Tomato Ketchup, Republic of Cameroon.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at January 07, 2022 06:15 PM (cupoy)

Nice to meet him, Tomato Ketchup.

It is Waraiotoko, It, Deez, HP Brown Sauce, Djibouti
----
Ummm ..... Djibouti and Cameroon are on the opposite sides of Africa. All they probably have in common is the strain of the AIDS virus plaguing them, thanks to the truck drivers who ply those routes.

Posted by: Ciampino at January 07, 2022 07:27 PM (qfLjt)

326 Latinx, dammit!

Posted by: Latinx at January 07, 2022 08:49 PM (YUfEE)

327 A couple of crazy tooters on the Internets today:

https://is.gd/6HHQ1L

1. "Had a lady ask me to put a mask on today while I was putting gas in my car.....
2. At the above link but scroll down a bit - about a Zoom meeting.

Posted by: Ciampino at January 07, 2022 10:13 PM (qfLjt)

328 As long as we keep pretending the Leftists are going to play by the rules we will continue to suffer at their hands. Leftists only play by the rules long enough and far enough to get into positions of power so they can enact their agenda through "living documents" and such horse shit. These three liberal justices are living proof of this.

It's time to take the gloves off. We cannot allow them to erode our freedoms any farther.

Posted by: Crusty Curmudgeon at January 08, 2022 11:45 AM (B3zit)

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