Democrats, Who Have Already Sicced Their Stalker "Activists" On Manchin and Also Called Him a Racist Who Hates Poor Children, Say the Gloves Are Now Off and Now They're Ready to... Start... Pressuring Him

After calling him a racist who hates poor children you're going to start pressuring him?

How?

Here's a smattering of what Democrats have already done, before this "new" pressure campaign:

A black Congressman, Jamaal Bowman, accuses Joe Manchin of being a "white man," and if that isn't bad enough (and it's plenty bad already!), he then goes on to accuse him of the typical litany of hate crimes ascribed to Republicans: "It's an example of Joe Manchin, as a White man, showing that he doesn't care about Black people, he doesn't care about Latinos, he doesn't care about immigrants, he doesn't care about women, and he doesn't care about the poor."

Then the White House accused Manchin of being a liar, of having "promised" to vote for the Build Back Bolshevik bill before betraying the brain-dead angry puppet Brandon.

Then Joe Biden actually claimed that Manchin came before the liberal House caucus and... admitted he was a liar. And that Biden was doing everything right.

Shades of the Battle of Corn-Pop.

Then the White House was forced to admit, um, maybe Joe Biden's Brain Medicine wasn't performing at peak efficiency when he made that completely-false claim.

After Biden said today that Manchin "was speaking to a liberal caucus in the House and said 'Joe Biden didn't mislead you, I misled you,'" the White House follows up: "The President wanted to clarify that Senator Manchin did not characterize himself as having been 'misleading.'

-- Kevin Liptak (@Kevinliptakcnn) December 21, 2021

It goes without saying that members of The Squoid had various angry, incoherent outbursts.

Donkey-Chompers, for example:

"Well, I think what Sen. Manchin did yesterday represents such an egregious breach of the trust of the president," she stated. "It's an outcome that we had warned about well over a month ago about needing to plan a contingency plan for it. It's why we insisted on having the bipartisan infrastructure plan coupled and passed together with the Build Back Better Act."

After noting that members of her party have "every right to be furious" with Manchin, AOC suggested the way to channel that anger was to put pressure on the Democratic leaders who "made the decision to get us to this juncture," saying that they have a "large number of tools at their disposal, the President particularly."

America's Sweetheart Ilan "Omar" Nur further ruined cursing for me by demonstrating my point about leftwingers cursing inappropriately to show they're "tough" and "authentically emotional."

Let's be clear: Manchin's excuse is bullshit. The people of West Virginia would directly benefit from childcare, pre-Medicare expansion, and long term care, just like Minnesotans.

This is exactly what we warned would happen if we separated Build Back Better from infrastructure. https://t.co/dhzcSk0qUV

-- Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) December 19, 2021

Go marry your gay brother and cheat on another husband, whore.

Minnesota Democrat Tina Smith called Manchin... "unpatriotic" for opposing a Marxist and dishonest spending bill.

"Failing to pass Build Back Better condemns us to higher energy prices, fewer jobs and a back seat to those that take action and lead on technology and innovation," said Sen. Tina Smith (D-Minn.). Manchin's position "is downright unpatriotic, and it utterly fails to address the climate crisis," she said.

And one more thing, this speculated, credibly, by John Sexton: Manchin has been serially harassed by the leftwings' Stalker Brigades for months.

Sexton think that what broke it for Manchin was when Biden singled him out as the only hold out on Build Back Bolshevik -- he's not, Sinema's a no, too -- thus basically telling the Stalker Brigades to go all-in on Manchin.

Sounds plausible. Manchin did complain of what the White House "had put out there..." Which I misread as what the White House had "put in there," in the bill. But no, he was talking about a message the White House "put out" to the public.


So with that record of nasty attacks and, likely, calls for escalations in stalking and harassments established, the Democrats vow...now we're going to pressure Manchin.

He's had it too good for too long.


Senate Democrats are signaling they plan to take more of a hardball approach to pressuring Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) to support their climate and social spending agenda after months of kid-glove treatment failed to deliver his vote.

Democrats are threatening to drive a wedge between Manchin and his many lower-income constituents who stand to reap billions of dollars in federal benefits if Build Back Better passes, including an enhanced child tax credit, lower Medicare-negotiated prescription drug prices and subsidies to cover the cost of child care.

Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) on Monday said Manchin will have to repeatedly defend his opposition to these popular programs by voting on the floor and took a subtle shot at his colleague for trying to dictate national policy through an appearance on "Fox News Sunday" over the weekend.

Um... not if he flips to Republican and the Republicans control which bills come to a floor vote.


Democratic aides say that Manchin can expect more tough treatment from Schumer and other Democratic lawmakers who are now under new pressure from the party's base for failing to deliver on the "big, bold" agenda they promised earlier this year.

"He has had absolutely no pressure," said one Democratic aide, citing Manchin's friendly meetings with the at the White House and at Biden's home in Delaware this fall that failed to produce results.

"Biden's got to grab him by the lapels and say, 'Listen, this ends now,' " the aide added, warning there's little prospect of passing another piece of major legislation before the 2022 midterms if Build Back Better fails to pass.

Democratic senators have said for months they were reluctant to apply too much pressure on Manchin for fear that it might backfire and only goad him to dig in his heels more firmly against progressive priorities such as major new investments for renewable energy and expanded Medicare benefits.

There was also the looming threat that Manchin might leave the caucus and declare himself an independent. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) told reporters before the break that he would love to have Manchin join his caucus, though he acknowledged it wasn't a likely possibility.

But now Biden, Schumer and other Democrats risk looking ineffective after Manchin flatly spurned their many entreaties with his bluntly stated opposition to Build Back Better on Fox News.

"He's going to blow up the president's agenda so I think you have to play hardball but there are different ways to play hardball," said Steve Jarding, a Democratic strategist who formerly advised the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

"He's making them looking ineffective," he added.

On Sunday, White House press secretary Jen Psaki released a blistering statement that took Manchin to task for backing out of a deal Biden thought he had agreed to in October.

She said Manchin would have to explain his opposition to the bill to "families paying $1,000 a month for insulin," to "two million women who would get the affordable day care they need to return to work" and to the "millions of children who have been lifted out of poverty, in part due to the Child Tax credit," which expired last week.


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In a "Dear Colleague" letter circulated Monday, Schumer took at not-so-subtle jab at Manchin.

"Senators should be aware that the Senate will, in fact, consider the Build Back Better Act, very early in the new year so that every Member of this body has the opportunity to make their position known on the Senate floor, not just on television," Schumer vowed.

The Democratic leader warned that he would force Manchin to vote multiple times against Biden's top priorities to hammer home the message that the West Virginia centrist is standing in the way of reforms that are designed to help low-income people in his home state.

Another thing the Democrats have been accusing Manchin of -- this being a more polite way of saying "liar" and "betrayer" -- is "inconsistency."

They keep saying he is "inconsistent" in what he says. That he "promised" to vote for the Build Back Bolshevik bill's "framework" and "scope," for example, and then didn't.

I've covered why that's a lie already.

The analyst at Full Stack Economics point out that Manchin has been extremely consistent on both what he would vote for and what he would vote for.

The trouble is, he says, Manchin's "friends" in the Democrat Party refused to listen to him when he repeatedly said he would not vote for a bill that cost more than $1.5 trillion, and would not vote for a bill that blew up the deficit.

And also -- would not vote for a bill that was "frontloaded" with spending to disguise how much it blew up the deficit.

[I]f Democrats are serious about getting Manchin's vote, they are going to need to start listening to him.

Manchin has a concrete objection to the bill's structure

Manchin has had a concrete position on the billís structure for quite some time --that its revenues should run concurrently with its spending. That position has simply been ignored by Democratic leadership, who have pushed a bill that is extraordinarily front-loaded and laden with expiring programs.

This is a well-known budget trick I call the frontload gambit. The idea: if you set up a bunch of expiring provisions and use up your budget space as fast as possible, you can hope for them to be extended by a future Congress.

At the behest of House progressives, the current version of the Build Back Better bill this budgeting trick aggressively. Expansions to the child tax credit end after one year, improvements to the Affordable Care Act after four years, and subsidies for childcare after six.

The problem is that this trick isn't particularly subtle. Anyone who doesn't notice it is deliberately choosing not to notice it. But Manchin cares about it, and he sees it right there in the CBO score.

He supplies the below chart which illustrates this, year by year; the red lines indicate spending, the blue lines indicate incoming monies through increased taxes. Note that the redlines are all enormous in the early years and supposedly dwindle in later years, and also supposedly, the bigger tax increases only kick in in the out-years.

Manchin-s-Friends-1.png


The plan, as written, increases deficits in early years, and pays for them only after programs at least nominally expire. This is, in fact, the very outcome that deficit hawks dislike: you run up deficits, and then you have to pay for it later. If you write this into your bill, you haven't addressed their concerns -- if anything, you've made the outcome they dislike explicit.

For their part, progressives aren't really trying to hide their true motives. Indeed, many acknowledge that it would be disastrous to start a new preschool or day care program and then shut it down a few years later. They are gambling that these programs will prove popular enough that Congress will extend them before their scheduled expiration date.

He then goes on to note the Democrats' constant false claim that Manchin is "inconsistent." He points out that Manchin's public statements have all been consistent on the points about the size and structure (pay as you go, no fakey-fake frontload gambits) of a bill he'd support.

Via John Sexton, the leftwing New York Magazine agrees that Manchin has been perfectly consistent on these points:

Manchin has made his outlook perfectly clear. In July, he laid out his conditions for supporting a social and climate spending package in a written document co-signed by Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer. Among other things, the senator asked for the bill to authorize no more than $1.5 trillion in spending and that all its welfare provisions be needs-based/means-tested. He also indicated that he wanted the bill to reduce the deficit by raising more revenue through tax increases than it doled out through spending.

In September, he told Politico that he believed "starting new programs that shut off a few years from now is akin to making them permanent" since "Congress will never be able to shut them off."

In October, Manchin reiterated this view, saying, "The thing that I'm very much committed to is if we're going to tell the people we're paying for something and the revenue is a ten-year revenue, then the program should be for ten years."

Manchin has been consistent. So have the leftwingers, and so has Biden in championing the leftwingers.

At least in this sense: the leftwingers have repeatedly offered Manchin the exact same bill with fake trimmings and gimmicks to make it look slightly different.

They accuse Manchin of not negotiating in good faith, but they themselves have not negotatiated in good faith: for six months Biden and the far left -- all in thrall to the leftwing Squad in the House -- have offered and counter-offered Machin the exact same bill over and over again with minor cosmetic changes which aren't, as Full Stack Economics notes, even really cosmetic -- they're not even laid on thick enough to hide what the leftwingers are doing.

They just keep offering Manchin the same bill, ignoring the clearly-announced parameters he's set out repeatedly in the past, and have used pressure tactics, including, possibly, the encouragement of leftwing Stalker Groups against him to get him to submit.

Meanwhile, McConnell isn't just asking Manchin to come over, he's plotting how to move Republicans around to give Manchin the leadership spot on the committee that would be his price of defection.

mcconnellpitch.jpg

So yeah, guys, you start following him into the crapper and shouting at him at his house through bullhorns at night.

You do your worse.

Maybe at some point Manchin will think, "If I'm going to be treated like a Republican, I might as well see what the membership package looks like."

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1 sponge

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 03:35 PM (LvTSG)

2 They're all freaks.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 22, 2021 03:36 PM (wAnMi)

3 holy crap, how was the movie?

time to go see what i missed...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at December 22, 2021 03:36 PM (8D42x)

4 not spongeworthy

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at December 22, 2021 03:36 PM (UHVv4)

5 Ready! Set! Go???
http://disq.us/p/2lig6h9

willowed cartoon

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at December 22, 2021 03:37 PM (UHVv4)

6 Schumer is an idiot.

If he didn't know this bill wasn't going to pass six months ago, then he's an idiot.

If he thought this bill was going to pass at all, he's an idiot.

If he knew it wasn't going to pass and this is theater designed to protect Manchin, he's an idiot

1600 SATs my ass.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 03:37 PM (LvTSG)

7 Manchin basically wouldn't be any different than any other republican. Hard pressed to think of voting differences.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 22, 2021 03:37 PM (wAnMi)

8 Senate Democrats are signaling they plan to take more of a hardball approach to pressuring Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) to support their climate and social spending agenda after months of kid-glove treatment failed to deliver his vote.
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He should be grateful. The hard Left gives Republicans the "softball approach."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2021 03:37 PM (DU+/6)

9 Beware of stalkers following you into public restrooms, Senator.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at December 22, 2021 03:37 PM (TNyrE)

10 Manchin hates children? Wait, didn't we hear Brandon yesterday say his BBB would fix insulin prices for little Mary whose family can't afford the $1,000/month it costs them now?

The same Brandon who revoked a Trump Executive Order that already lowered the cost of insulin shots to $35?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 22, 2021 03:37 PM (N39Ws)

11 >>>3 holy crap, how was the movie?


sometimes I'm a thorough blogger

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2021 03:38 PM (0G13K)

12 I guess now comes the physical attacks and harassment of his children. Maybe killing his dogs.

These people are commie scum.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 22, 2021 03:38 PM (csEWM)

13 He supplies the below chart which illustrates this, year by year; the red lines indicate spending, the blue lines indicate incoming monies through increased taxes. Note that the redlines are all enormous in the early years and supposedly dwindle in later years, and also supposedly, the bigger tax increases only kick in in the out-years.
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That chart is a lie. Seven years, seven decades, seven billions eons, whatever. This shit ain't ever going to come close to "paying for itself."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2021 03:38 PM (DU+/6)

14 As Petra sang, this means war

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at December 22, 2021 03:38 PM (XvPQV)

15 ya can't squeeze someone if they got an out

Posted by: REDACTED at December 22, 2021 03:38 PM (us2H3)

16 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 22, 2021 03:38 PM (Zz0t1)

17 Is this about the new Spiderman movie?

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 22, 2021 03:38 PM (Zz0t1)

18 sometimes I'm a thorough blogger
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2021 03:38 PM (0G13K)

In this case, you're a Thoreau blogger.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 22, 2021 03:38 PM (csEWM)

19 It's an example of Joe Manchin, as a White man, showing that he doesn't care about Black people, he doesn't care about Latinos, he doesn't care about immigrants, he doesn't care about women, and he doesn't care about the poor."

Yeah! Manchin doesn't understand that minorities are poor, stupid and uneducatable and incapable of doing anything without the help of white men. What a racist!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 22, 2021 03:39 PM (bKdTl)

20 They accuse Manchin of not negotiating in good faith, but they themselves have not negotatiated in good faith: for six months Biden and the far left -- all in thrall to the leftwing Squad in the House -- have offered and counter-offered Machin the exact same bill over and over again with minor cosmetic changes which aren't, as Full Stack Economics notes, even really cosmetic -- they're not even laid on thick enough to hide what the leftwingers are doing.

They just keep offering Manchin the same bill, ignoring the clearly-announced parameters he's set out repeatedly in the past, and have used pressure tactics, including, possibly, the encouragement of leftwing Stalker Groups against him to get him to submit.

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Standard tactics. Why should they negotiate when Manchin's the wrecker?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2021 03:39 PM (DU+/6)

21 What an ironic twist it would be if the first Congressman to be killed by the left in the New Troubles was himself a Democrat...

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at December 22, 2021 03:39 PM (cvNl1)

22 Again, this pressue is from commie obammie

Posted by: CN...FJB at December 22, 2021 03:40 PM (ONvIw)

23 Be back later Horde, I gotta go take a sidney.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 22, 2021 03:40 PM (axyOa)

24 I don't really care much about what happens to Manchin. His caucus, his choice. He deliberately has aligned himself with this party, not by mistake or confusion. For his whole life. Nothing they are doing or trying to do is a surprise, this is who they have been since the 70s.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 22, 2021 03:40 PM (KZzsI)

25 Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) on Monday said Manchin will have to repeatedly defend his opposition to these popular programs by voting on the floor and took a subtle shot at his colleague for trying to dictate national policy through an appearance on "Fox News Sunday" over the weekend.

Why yes, Chuckles, please make "moderate" Democrat Senators repeatedly vote on left wing bills that won't pass, but that their voters oppose.

Posted by: Greg The Class Traitor at December 22, 2021 03:40 PM (esqHz)

26 It's an example of Joe Manchin, as a White man, showing that he doesn't care about Black people, he doesn't care about Latinos, he doesn't care about immigrants, he doesn't care about women, and he doesn't care about the poor."
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Yeah. To care about those groups, you need to denigrate and belittle them and spend decades ensuring them they're not good enough to achieve on their own and then entrap them with handouts that destroy their demography while enslaving them to your establishment.

Fuck this asshole deep and hard and lubeless. I am long since tired of race-baiting communists trying to guilt me into compliance by projecting their own contempt and hatred onto me.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2021 03:41 PM (DU+/6)

27 $3 trillion bill sprinkled with tokens for everyone. Then, if you don't support the entire bill, you hate and want to kill the people the token was aimed at.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 22, 2021 03:41 PM (bKdTl)

28 >>>Maybe at some point Manchin will think, "If I'm going to be treated like a Republican, I might as well see what the membership package looks like."

Membership benefits literature: free spine removal and castration.

Posted by: flounder at December 22, 2021 03:41 PM (SH2Zi)

29

Manchin is no Lieberman, and Lieberman only switched to Independent.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 22, 2021 03:41 PM (hk7Bm)

30 Silly demorats...these tactics only work against Republicans!

Posted by: kallisto at December 22, 2021 03:41 PM (DJFLF)

31 Let's be clear: Manchin's excuse is bullshit. The people of West Virginia would directly benefit from childcare, pre-Medicare expansion, and long term care, just like Minnesotans.
This is exactly what we warned would happen if we separated Build Back Better from infrastructure. https://t.co/dhzcSk0qUV

-- Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) December 19, 2021



Let's be clear. You're a hideous piece of shit that shouldn't even be IN THIS COUNTRY, you brotherfucker.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 22, 2021 03:41 PM (Zz0t1)

32 They are the toughest talking blowhards I've ever heard.

Posted by: Jason McCullough at December 22, 2021 03:41 PM (7bRMQ)

33 I hope they all go to West Virginia.

Posted by: rd at December 22, 2021 03:41 PM (Z32m1)

34 We're going to put his wife and children in the trenches with bullets in their heads and blow up every power grid in West Virginia until everyone is bloody and starving.

Then we'll take the kid gloves off.

-That douchebag in the Morning Rant

Posted by: Homer's Donuts at December 22, 2021 03:42 PM (BCSAN)

35 "he doesn't care about Black people,"
.......

I don't know. Some of those coal miners come up pretty dark.

Posted by: wth at December 22, 2021 03:42 PM (v0R5T)

36 Gonna rephrase what has been said before:

Joe Manchin has done more to stymie the radical Dem agenda in past 10 weeks than the Senate GOP has done in the past 10 years.

Posted by: Hands at December 22, 2021 03:42 PM (786Ro)

37 You know what? I don't give a flying fuck.

Did Manchin ever step up to a microphone or go on TV when his filthy, treasonous party accused Mitt Romney of giving people cancer? Or calling for Trump to be assassinated? Has he ever told them to dial backthe rhetoric when they call for people like me to be thrown into the ovens because I won't get the Kung Flu shot? Because if he has, then I've missed it.

So now you get a taste of what we get every fucking day, Manchin. Now you know what it's like to be an enemy of the state.

Choke on it, asshole. You deserve every fucking bit of the shitstorm you're in.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 22, 2021 03:42 PM (2JVJo)

38 And also -- would not vote for a bill that was "frontloaded" with spending to disguise how much it blew up the deficit.

I think the CBO rejected this - the argument that "hey, all these huge spending programs will expire in four years, but the taxes go on forever, so the cost of the bill isn't that big" is obvious BS. You propose a new entitlement in legislation, it should be assumed that it goes on forever.

Posted by: No Barriers! at December 22, 2021 03:42 PM (I2/tG)

39 Notice in that interview with McConnell that he doesn't commit to letting Manchin keep his chair of the energy committee. John Barrasso, the ranking member on the committee, has to volunteer to give up his spot.

That's probably not an easy negotiation.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 03:42 PM (LvTSG)

40 Although I must say Susan Collins did a good job of resisting the 'rats during l'Affaire Kavanaugh

Posted by: kallisto at December 22, 2021 03:42 PM (DJFLF)

41
Democrats vow...now we're going to pressure Manchin.

They gonna insurrect his ass!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 22, 2021 03:42 PM (63Dwl)

42 Let's be clear: Manchin's excuse is bullshit. The people of West Virginia would directly benefit from childcare, pre-Medicare expansion, and long term care, just like Minnesotans.
This is exactly what we warned would happen if we separated Build Back Better from infrastructure.
-- Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) December 19, 2021

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First, I thought politicians saying, "bullshit" was bad. Remember when Trump disrespected his office and the people by saying that word?

Also, she's right. I wish they *hadn't* separated BBB from the "bipartisan infrastructure bill." Then they both could have died.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2021 03:42 PM (DU+/6)

43 I don't know what ManChin actually believes in, but he has benefited personally by being a big fish in a small pond. Like Sinema, he's a Democrat in a region that normally swings to the Right. That makes him an important 'keep' for Democrats, even if it was a 50/50 split Senate.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at December 22, 2021 03:42 PM (XvPQV)

44
It's funny because Manchin is biden's mccain, and synema is biden's susan collins.

A Pox on all their mansions.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 22, 2021 03:43 PM (hk7Bm)

45 It is sad watching the Dems pull the same playbook: find one target and detonate it. I mean, Sinema was also opposed to the bill and wouldn't vote for it, but they're acting like she doesn't exist. All the Republicans are opposed to it, but they are just pretending that never happened. Its all this one dude, one man, Machin, the only person who opposed them and unfairly BY HIMSELF singly stopped the bill thus destroying democracy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 22, 2021 03:43 PM (KZzsI)

46 So, let me get this straight. It's okay for the President, which is the executive branch, to demand that a Senator, of the legislative branch, do what he tells him to do. And they called Trump a dictator.

And yes, the people of WV will need those handouts from the government when they kill off all their jobs. I bet there's a special part of the bill to hand out free fentynl to the folks of WV

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at December 22, 2021 03:43 PM (5HBd1)

47 $3 trillion bill sprinkled with tokens for everyone. Then, if you don't support the entire bill, you hate and want to kill the people the token was aimed at.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 22, 2021 03:41 PM (bKdTl)

I suppose the bill was also sprinkled with GND that would be political suicide for him to vote on. This latest press by dems is to keep their leftist base frothing at the mouth and engaged. They have nothing to run on, and CRT proved to be an own goal in VA.

Posted by: flounder at December 22, 2021 03:43 PM (SH2Zi)

48 Manchin doesn't want to switch; but it's certainly possible that Schumer, Biden, and Pelosi act so stupidly that they force him to leave.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 22, 2021 03:43 PM (trdmm)

49 36 Gonna rephrase what has been said before:

Joe Manchin has done more to stymie the radical Dem agenda in past 10 weeks than the Senate GOP has done in the past 10 years.
Posted by: Hands at December 22, 2021 03:42 PM (786Ro)

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How is that possible when Manchin is just doing what every other GOP senator is doing right now? Refusing to vote for BBB?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 03:43 PM (LvTSG)

50 "Failing to pass Build Back Better condemns us to higher energy prices, fewer jobs..."

You know what else condemns us to higher energy prices and fewer job?

Posted by: Fool Otto at December 22, 2021 03:43 PM (DB16e)

51
Manchin fits the GOPe Senate hen profile however ,in his mind at least , Manchin does see himself as quite that low and useless.
Manchin be declaring himself to be an Independent!

Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at December 22, 2021 03:43 PM (sgQ3Z)

52 What mental cases. They're all out of their ever-loving minds. Everything in their orbit makes them instantly snap and spit hatred and venom if they don't get their way. I'm talking those elected officeholders, not just the schmoes on the street. They're all certifiable.

Posted by: Lady in Black at December 22, 2021 03:43 PM (sVtYq)

53 But this is theater...there is ONE party, not two.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at December 22, 2021 03:43 PM (XvPQV)

54 There is a black one
who won't accept a yellow one
won't accept a white one.

Different strokes
For different folks


We've come so far in our fight against racism in my lifetime we've ended up right where we started out.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2021 03:43 PM (ZLI7S)

55 I hope that Mr. Manchin has his constituents calling or writing with support and also that he has good friends , a supportive family and a strong faith and prayer life.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 22, 2021 03:43 PM (KBCaU)

56 sort of a threadjack...

https://tinyurl.com/4h9jb2na

Berenson's complaint filed against the tw@tter.

Spoiler: It's juicy!

Posted by: kallisto at December 22, 2021 03:44 PM (DJFLF)

57 The beam of Manchin's yacht is longer then my boat. Asshole should switch to R and fuck the dems on his way out the door.

Posted by: Capital Eff at December 22, 2021 03:44 PM (GYllL)

58 3.6% of West Virginia is black, so its not like he represents none...

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 22, 2021 03:44 PM (KZzsI)

59 Choke on it, asshole. You deserve every fucking bit of the shitstorm you're in.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 22, 2021 03:42 PM (2JVJo)

Yeah, not sure we need ANOTHER Democrat who put on a Republican badge.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 22, 2021 03:44 PM (oHd/0)

60 but you see, to the diseased minds of the left, merely insulting manchin is enough. Even if he switches sides, he's still a yucky bigot unperson.

It should be super chilling that Turtle is willing to discuss which leadership positions the GOP will hand over as droits. I want to use droits correctly but here's the level of work I'm willing to put in

Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 22, 2021 03:44 PM (ZZK0E)

61 Stop fucking calling it REVENUE.

You're not EARNING the money, you fucktards. YOU'RE STEALING it.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 22, 2021 03:44 PM (Zz0t1)

62 I caught a headline yesterday that said Manchin had doomed the world to be destroyed by Climate Change. This is getting to be beyond some combo of evil and crazy. The incrementalism is going to lead to another incident like the congressional baseball practice. And the Dems won't be held accountable or even be sorry.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at December 22, 2021 03:44 PM (cupoy)

63 >>>56 sort of a threadjack...


you don't have to apologize, all of my threads are open threads, really. it's just the cobs' threads which are more protected. Especially the weekend specialty threads

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2021 03:45 PM (0G13K)

64 John Barrasso, the ranking member on the committee, has to volunteer to give up his spot.

That's probably not an easy negotiation.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison,

I think Barrasso would give it up in exchange for the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Chairmanship. Burr is ranking, but he's retiring.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at December 22, 2021 03:45 PM (cvNl1)

65 I have watch men for 60 yrs and the mother fucking shit I have had to put up with, seen, heard make me say it again FUCK YOU.
Posted by: sidney

Yeah, well, I've watched chicks for 60 years and will be watching them for the next 60.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

But I won't be watching Manchin.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 22, 2021 03:45 PM (FVME7)

66 They can fuck right off.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at December 22, 2021 03:45 PM (II3Gr)

67 He's going to fit right in as a gope member in good standing. Conservative actions are not required or expected. A dem in gope clothes is still a dem. Free to vote and screw us bigley.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at December 22, 2021 03:45 PM (0OmEj)

68 why is it that only Manchin was able to see the accounting trick that the left constantly uses in their big turd dumps of spending bills?

Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 22, 2021 03:45 PM (ZZK0E)

69 I mean, Sinema was also opposed to the bill and wouldn't vote for it, but they're acting like she doesn't exist.

Not to mention us!

Posted by: The Five Other Democratic Senators From Red States Who Oppose The Bill! at December 22, 2021 03:45 PM (I2/tG)

70 Posted by: ace at December 22, 2021 03:45 PM (0G13K)

ok I'll remember that.

But I still feel so...cheap...somehow

Posted by: kallisto at December 22, 2021 03:45 PM (DJFLF)

71 Do NOT Forget.

Joe Biden's BBB contained a carve out for Cutting Rich People's Taxes. The bill removed the cap on the SALT Deduction. Rich people would get to deduct their State and Local Taxes from their Federal tax bill.

So much for their TAX the RICH! lies.

Posted by: rd at December 22, 2021 03:46 PM (Z32m1)

72 Why does this hayseed hick from Bubba-land hate persins of coler ? Probably associated with Trump and the war on children of coler...

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at December 22, 2021 03:46 PM (otFiP)

73 I'm hoping that he stays a Democrat, progressives challenge him in the 2024 Democratic primary for the Senate seat with tens of millions of dollars from out of state, and the progressive challenger beats him.

And then the progressive challenger simply gets laughed out of the general election race while *checks notes* pocketing tens of millions of dollars donated by Hollywood to turn WV blue.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 03:46 PM (LvTSG)

74 "The Five Other Democratic Senators From Red States Who Oppose The Bill"

and you are???

Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 22, 2021 03:46 PM (ZZK0E)

75 I have watch men for 60 yrs and the mother fucking shit I have had to put up with, seen, heard make me say it again FUCK YOU.

The fact that some (many?) men are jerks and aholes doesn't somehow mean women are not.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 22, 2021 03:46 PM (KZzsI)

76 Maybe at some point Manchin will think, "If I'm going to be treated like a Republican, I might as well see what the membership package looks like."

Posted by: Ace at 03:35 PM

i like this theory. i wonder if it actually plays out like that or not, but it's got potential. of course, the down side would be the hundreds of millions of dollars that flow into WV to defeat his reelection. but that's a few years down the road.

i hope the commies do go all in on him. it MIGHT be enlightening for more than a few people around the country...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at December 22, 2021 03:46 PM (8D42x)

77
Why would Manchin do that, though? If he stays the course, he'll do fine in WV. Switching to (I) and caucusing with them could work, and maybe even boost his popularity. But, switching to (R)? Insane. If he switches to (R), he'll lose.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2021 03:46 PM (hQ23g)

78 Slippery words from McConnell, never directly says to Hewitt "why yes, of course Manchin gets to chair the Energy committe if he switches to our side". If the Turtle's lips are moving, he's lying.

The Turtle is a snake.

Posted by: Hands at December 22, 2021 03:46 PM (786Ro)

79 It was only a matter of time before the animated corpse that truly is the Democrat party grew maggots and started consuming itself.

Posted by: CZ = FNG To Remain Silent Because, FNG at December 22, 2021 03:46 PM (MkuC5)

80 Manchin hates children, by Democrat definition this is true. If a Democrat loves a child, he fucks that child, indoctrinates that child, restricts the child's rights, refuses to force that child to learn anything useful.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 22, 2021 03:46 PM (o2MD2)

81 Winston Churchill was a U.S. Senator?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 22, 2021 03:46 PM (63Dwl)

82 If Manchin holds firm and this thing dies, I will have to revise my previous opinion on him.

It means essentially that I will hold him in higher regard than nearly every elected Republican.

Which granted only puts him one notch above fetid bacteria-laden pond scum but still it is a start.

Posted by: ... at December 22, 2021 03:46 PM (NfvSB)

83 Senate Democrats are signaling they plan to take more of a hardball approach to pressuring Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) to support their climate and social spending agenda after months of kid-glove treatment failed to deliver his vote.


Hardball? I mean calling him a racist child/woman hater, blocking his car and picketing his home wasn't hardball?

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 22, 2021 03:47 PM (bVYXr)

84 Ah shit, I screwed up my pun. It was baseball, not softball.

But Manchin has nothing to worry about. He's still a Dem. They won't shoot up his outings or beat him into the hospital while he's mowing the lawn.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2021 03:47 PM (DU+/6)

85 Yeah, well, I've watched chicks for 60 years and will be watching them for the next 60.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

I dunno man, I don't think I'd be checking out 120+ year old chicks.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at December 22, 2021 03:47 PM (II3Gr)

86 Not to mention us!
Posted by: The Five Other Democratic Senators From Red States Who Oppose The Bill!


Being a Democrat voter is basically being in a constant state of denial, misinformation, and just plain ignorance.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 22, 2021 03:47 PM (KZzsI)

87 >>But I still feel so...cheap...somehow

Think of ace's posts as Walmart and the COB posts as those artsy fartsy boutiques only snobs go to.

You can wear pajama pants and a wife beater here and nobody cares.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2021 03:47 PM (ZLI7S)

88 The incrementalism is going to lead to another incident like the congressional baseball practice.

Yeah, announcing that Manchin is single-handedly responsible for Killing The Planet is setting him up for an assassination attempt.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2021 03:47 PM (I2/tG)

89 75 I have watch men for 60 yrs and the mother fucking shit I have had to put up with, seen, heard make me say it again FUCK YOU.

The fact that some (many?) men are jerks and aholes doesn't somehow mean women are not.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 22, 2021 03:46 PM (KZzsI)

Men really fucked up with that whole 19th Amendment thing.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at December 22, 2021 03:48 PM (II3Gr)

90 I dunno man, I don't think I'd be checking out 120+ year old chicks.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at December 22, 2021 03:47 PM (II3Gr)

Insomniac...sexual ageist

My upper limit is 50 year olds, barring Christie Brinkley and Liz Hurley black magic.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at December 22, 2021 03:48 PM (XvPQV)

91 67 He's going to fit right in as a gope member in good standing. Conservative actions are not required or expected. A dem in gope clothes is still a dem. Free to vote and screw us bigley.
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at December 22, 2021 03:45 PM (0OmEj)

Remember that if he switches, it doesn't matter how he votes. McConnell will control what is voted on, and what never sees daylight.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 22, 2021 03:48 PM (trdmm)

92 If a Democrat loves a child, he fucks that child, indoctrinates that child, restricts the child's rights, refuses to force that child to learn anything useful.

I mean, the ones they don't kill.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 22, 2021 03:48 PM (KZzsI)

93 I think the same situation exists in WV that used to exist in OK. People were Democrats because they believed FDR got them out of the Great Depression. It became part of the team you were on. But the Dems kept going further left and the older folks died off. That's why OK went red and why WV has been trending red.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at December 22, 2021 03:48 PM (5HBd1)

94 why is it that only Manchin was able to see the accounting trick that the left constantly uses in their big turd dumps of spending bills?

Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 22, 2021 03:45 PM


Something, something about there are none so blind as those who will not see.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 22, 2021 03:48 PM (bVYXr)

95 Manchin will be mercilessly beaten and tortured until his morale improves.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 22, 2021 03:48 PM (o2MD2)

96 So now you get a taste of what we get every fucking day, Manchin. Now you know what it's like to be an enemy of the state.

I don't get that every day. I can read about the nastiness of Dems, but as I don't do FB or Twitter, the most I get is some irritating people who think I'm stupid or evil for not buying into the Covid hysteria. I get even less of it if I avoid any internet for the day.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 22, 2021 03:49 PM (KBCaU)

97 I dunno man, I don't think I'd be checking out 120+ year old chicks.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at December 22, 2021 03:47 PM (II3Gr)
++++
What about 100+ 20-year-old chicks?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2021 03:49 PM (DU+/6)

98 100B in stolen coof funds. smh

Posted by: Infidel at December 22, 2021 03:49 PM (qpolg)

99 and you are???

Well, there's probably me...

Posted by: Rhymes With Ron Jester! at December 22, 2021 03:49 PM (I2/tG)

100 Yeah, announcing that Manchin is single-handedly responsible for Killing The Planet is setting him up for an assassination attempt.

"We're not saying anyone should kill him, just that if someone treated him like a Republican Softball team, well we wouldn't shed a tear, hee hee"
--Democratic party

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 22, 2021 03:49 PM (KZzsI)

101 97 I dunno man, I don't think I'd be checking out 120+ year old chicks.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at December 22, 2021 03:47 PM (II3Gr)
++++
What about 100+ 20-year-old chicks?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2021 03:49 PM (DU+/6)

Duh.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at December 22, 2021 03:49 PM (II3Gr)

102 In unrelated news, Joe Manchin has been subpoenaed by the January 6 Investigation committee, and ordered to surrender all of his correspondence, written or electronic, for the last 2 years...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 22, 2021 03:49 PM (oHd/0)

103
Yes, the Democrat Imams have issued a FATWA on Manchin to their jihadis.

Reminder: Manchin was ambushed by "protesters" earlier this year in a parking garage.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 22, 2021 03:49 PM (hk7Bm)

104 Manchin is a better Republican than Mitch. I say we offer him the Majority leader position to switch.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 22, 2021 03:49 PM (yQpMk)

105 There's a report out that Manchin's contributions are up significantly since he started fighting with Schemer. If the GOP takes the Senate, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him flip.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at December 22, 2021 03:49 PM (sWM8x)

106 But I still feel so...cheap...somehow
Posted by: kallisto at December 22, 2021 03:45 PM (DJFLF)


Heh heh...How youuu doin'?

Posted by: Diogenes at December 22, 2021 03:50 PM (axyOa)

107 Pretend President Poopy Pants has been lying about this.

Kevin Liptak
@Kevinliptakcnn
After Biden said today that Manchin "was speaking to a liberal caucus in the House and said 'Joe Biden didn't mislead you, I misled you,'" the White House follows up: "The President wanted to clarify that Senator Manchin did not characterize himself as having been 'misleading.'

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 22, 2021 03:50 PM (FVME7)

108 The Turtle is a snake.

Turtles have Gomboc shaped shells. They easily right themselves and keep turtling along shitting on anything that's below them.

Posted by: Capital Eff at December 22, 2021 03:50 PM (GYllL)

109 My wife who's a native of WV wrote Manchin last week with support. Got a nice form letter explaining his position.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 22, 2021 03:50 PM (BFigT)

110 My far is that they are gonna "tweak" it enough that he says he can vote for it

Posted by: It's me donna at December 22, 2021 03:50 PM (TdaKq)

111 McConnell should let Jim Thune go retire - Manchin is just a squishy Thune with an Appalachian accent anyway, so the War Turtle isn't giving into his arch enemy Trump.

That moves everyone up the chain, leaving room for Manchin...and Thune's seat ain't going Democrat, period.

Posted by: Boswell at December 22, 2021 03:50 PM (5iUNf)

112 What mental cases. They're all out of their ever-loving minds. Everything in their orbit makes them instantly snap and spit hatred and venom if they don't get their way. I'm talking those elected officeholders, not just the schmoes on the street. They're all certifiable.
Posted by: Lady in Black at December 22, 2021 03:43 PM (sVtYq)

I prefer it. the most damaging think in this last generation was the pretense of collegiality that meant everything was given up to the leftists, just somewhat slower.

The cancel wars have already done more to empower conservatives than hurt them, and now they only have other blue staters to harras and burn down their cities.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 22, 2021 03:50 PM (eoQWY)

113 People were Democrats because they believed FDR got them out of the Great Depression

Yeah, FDR got a lot of great publicity and a lot of facts were just plain hidden away about him and his idiotic policies that extended and worsened the depression.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 22, 2021 03:50 PM (KZzsI)

114 Manchin turns Republican and the end of the beginning of the Biden nightmare starts early..

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at December 22, 2021 03:50 PM (NM8ko)

115 Why would Manchin do that, though? If he stays the course, he'll do fine in WV. Switching to (I) and caucusing with them could work, and maybe even boost his popularity. But, switching to (R)? Insane. If he switches to (R), he'll lose.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2021 03:46 PM (hQ23g)
----------

Becoming an (I) and caucusing does nothing for him or the Republicans.

If he doesn't vote for McConnell for majority leader, it doesn't matter.

Posted by: WisRich at December 22, 2021 03:50 PM (G0vdT)

116 Rhymes With Ron Jester!

Trump took Montana by 17 points.

Posted by: Rhymes With Ron Jester! at December 22, 2021 03:50 PM (I2/tG)

117 My far is that they are gonna "tweak" it enough that he says he can vote for it


Fear not far

Posted by: It's me donna at December 22, 2021 03:51 PM (TdaKq)

118 I have no trouble calling Omar, Cortez and the rest "The Squid"

All Hail Hydra.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 22, 2021 03:51 PM (ZMraq)

119 why is it that only Manchin was able to see the accounting trick that the left constantly uses in their big turd dumps of spending bills?
Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 22, 2021 03:45 PM (ZZK0E)


Because Joe Manchin is from West Virginia, and everyone knows West Virginians are a bunch of stupid, undeucated hicks!

Wait?... ???

Posted by: rd at December 22, 2021 03:52 PM (Z32m1)

120 Yeah, announcing that Manchin is single-handedly responsible for Killing The Planet is setting him up for an assassination attempt.

"We're not saying anyone should kill him, just that if someone treated him like a Republican Softball team, well we wouldn't shed a tear, hee hee"
--Democratic party

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 22, 2021 03:49 PM (KZzsI)

It worked for James Hodgkinson, didn't it?

Posted by: Harry Reid at December 22, 2021 03:52 PM (SH2Zi)

121 Yeah, announcing that Manchin is single-handedly responsible for Killing The Planet is setting him up for an assassination attempt.



Killing Manchin just gets you an appointed Republican in his place.

Manchin actually has them by the balls anyway you look at it.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 22, 2021 03:52 PM (yQpMk)

122 118 I have no trouble calling Omar, Cortez and the rest "The Squid"

All Hail Hydra.

I prefer whore myself

Posted by: It's me donna at December 22, 2021 03:52 PM (TdaKq)

123 There can't be too much more of this until the Contemptible Congress goes on break for Christman/Kwanzaa/Festivus. Hang tough, Manchin!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 22, 2021 03:52 PM (KBCaU)

124 All Hail Hydra

What kills me is how Hollywood is perpetually putting out sinister conspiracy theory movies about evil tyrants and abuse of power but refuse to admit it when its happening right in front of them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 22, 2021 03:52 PM (KZzsI)

125 Which granted only puts him one notch above fetid bacteria-laden pond scum but still it is a start.

We are rich in nitrogen, making us a great fertilizer. Thus, we have a purpose. Which places us ahead of the typical elected Republican.

Posted by: Pond Scum at December 22, 2021 03:52 PM (Wux4A)

126 No, the trick that FDR did was to give people hope. It's the opposite of how we've dealt with Wuflu.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at December 22, 2021 03:52 PM (5HBd1)

127 FDR did NOT end the depression. Tojo and Hitler did.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 22, 2021 03:53 PM (o2MD2)

128
Rand Paul's neighbor is going to beat up Manchin.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 22, 2021 03:53 PM (hk7Bm)

129 122 118 I have no trouble calling Omar, Cortez and the rest "The Squid"

All Hail Hydra.

I prefer whore myself
Posted by: It's me donna at December 22, 2021 03:52 PM (TdaKq)

Whoredra?

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 22, 2021 03:53 PM (oHd/0)

130 If Sidney could actually please a man, he would treat her in kind and she wouldn't be so pissed off.

Learn a lesson, dummy.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 22, 2021 03:53 PM (Zz0t1)

131 McCain says no to OCare repeal, GOP shrugs and moves on.

Machin says no to BBB, it's a full frontal assault by the Dems to get him onboard.

It's why in the long run the left always wins. They never stop fighting. They never accept a loss.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 22, 2021 03:53 PM (OalnH)

132 It worked for James Hodgkinson, didn't it?
Posted by: Harry Reid at December 22, 2021 03:52 PM (SH2Zi

Not as well as I hoped

Posted by: It's me donna at December 22, 2021 03:53 PM (TdaKq)

133 >> I might as well see what the membership package looks like."

The GOP membership package is a clown nose, a fart machine, a box, a gimp suit and a Mitch McConnel autographed VHS tape of The Aristocrats.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 22, 2021 03:53 PM (iKhtQ)

134 Manchin has also made it clear he wants the bill to go through normal order. He wants it in committee and a regular amendment process. That means note shoehorned in using reconciliation and therefore needing at least 10 Republican votes.

Democrats don't want that because like the CBO score, it exposes the disaster in this bill. Nobody has even covered the actual content and shown people what's really in it. That's because there are other senators like Tester, Sinema and Warnock that will be smashed by the voters.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 22, 2021 03:53 PM (Sgh52)

135 The only front loaded legislation that will be allowed to expire is Trumps middle-class tax bracket of 10% and $25k exemption.

Posted by: Regular joe relentlessly upping the ante at December 22, 2021 03:53 PM (L9P9s)

136 IF Manchin ever switches to GOP , it will only be IF the GOP takes the Senate in 2022

Posted by: JoeF. at December 22, 2021 03:53 PM (mR6Gs)

137 My far is that they are gonna "tweak" it enough that he says he can vote for it

Posted by: It's me donna at December 22, 2021 03:50 PM


The Mod Squad has already said no new bill unless it includes the green new deal stuff and climate change $$$$. manchin is not going to vote for anything that includes those things because he would lose his seat in 2024.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 22, 2021 03:54 PM (bVYXr)

138 "...the leftwingers have repeatedly offered Manchin the exact same bill with fake trimmings and gimmicks to make it look slightly different."
----
In a way, this is also the story of the tranny swimmer from the previous thread.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 22, 2021 03:54 PM (OssQ4)

139 People were Democrats because they believed FDR got them out of the Great Depression

Yeah, FDR got a lot of great publicity and a lot of facts were just plain hidden away about him and his idiotic policies that extended and worsened the depression.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 22, 2021 03:50 PM (KZzsI)

I have a book written by in the 30s/40s by someone who was opposed to the new deal. Scrubbed clean by the MSM of the day and forgotten.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 22, 2021 03:54 PM (eoQWY)

140 Manchin is a better Republican than Mitch. I say we offer him the Majority leader position to switch.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 22, 2021 03:49 PM (yQpMk)

We've secretly replaced the GOP Senate Majority Leader with at Democrat. Let's see if anyone notices.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder at December 22, 2021 03:54 PM (SH2Zi)

141 you have to appreciate the lunacy of saying the bill eliminates rainy fridays, puts bubblegum smiles on butterflies, and eliminates that feeling you get on the dark days of winter without actually knowing what's in the bill.

that's basically what we're at with the left.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 22, 2021 03:54 PM (ZZK0E)

142 Did ManChin grow some balls on his chin? cuz then we should call him ChinBalls.

Posted by: wth at December 22, 2021 03:54 PM (v0R5T)

143 Also, Manchin still wants to raise taxes...big time which is another reason he has a problem with BBB: Raising the SALT limit for east coast limousine liberals really sticks in his craw.

Posted by: WisRich at December 22, 2021 03:54 PM (G0vdT)

144 Why would Manchin do that, though? If he stays the course, he'll do fine in WV. Switching to (I) and caucusing with them could work, and maybe even boost his popularity. But, switching to (R)? Insane. If he switches to (R), he'll lose.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2021 03:46 PM (hQ23g)

He's not losing in WV as a Republican. Not these days anyway. But he loses committee assignments and seniority- and to senators who do nothing all day, its the only thing that gets them over to the Rayburn building in the morning. McConnell has a move here, but it means letting an ally chose to retire. Is he man enough to let it happen - will see.

Posted by: Boswell at December 22, 2021 03:54 PM (5iUNf)

145 >>why is it that only Manchin was able to see the accounting trick that the left constantly uses in their big turd dumps of spending bills?

To be honest, he wasn't. And as much as it pains me to say this the person responsible for having the CBO score the bill as if all the programs would last a full ten years as everyone knew they would instead of cutting them off at 3 years while the funding kept going was Lindsey Graham.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2021 03:54 PM (ZLI7S)

146
Manchimp.
I hate fucking manchimps.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 22, 2021 03:55 PM (hk7Bm)

147 Rand Paul's neighbor is going to beat up Manchin.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 22, 2021 03:53 PM (hk7Bm)

Manchin doesn't look like the kind of guy you want to try to beat up

Posted by: JoeF. at December 22, 2021 03:55 PM (mR6Gs)

148 136 IF Manchin ever switches to GOP , it will only be IF the GOP takes the Senate in 2022
Posted by: JoeF. at December 22, 2021 03:53 PM (mR6Gs)

========

"Join us and become chair of energy, or don't join us and just be ranking member in the minority."
-Mitch

"Nah, man. Fuck that. It's my turn to be chair of energy."
-John Barrasso

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 03:55 PM (LvTSG)

149 My far is that they are gonna "tweak" it enough that he says he can vote for it

The problem is that the bill is so much more expensive than the $1.5 trillion that Manchin will accept that there's no way to "tweak" it.

Just the childcare credit is about $1.5 billion over the next ten years, not to mention the cost of all the Green Nude Eel provisions.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2021 03:55 PM (I2/tG)

150 Membership also comes with a free towel at the pool and discounted living space. Ask me how I know!

Posted by: Kevin McCarthy in Frank Luntz's Pool at December 22, 2021 03:55 PM (Sgh52)

151 So just to be clear this isn't Democrats encouraging "J6" style hate toward a Sitting Senator, right?

Posted by: ... at December 22, 2021 03:56 PM (NfvSB)

152 Manchimp.
I hate fucking manchimps.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 22, 2021 03:55 PM (hk7Bm)



There's a cure for that.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 22, 2021 03:56 PM (Zz0t1)

153 Manchin is a fuck who just wanted them to spend a little less.

They couldn't even do that.

They can all get bent.

And yes, Manchin would make the perfect McConnell republican, standing to the left of Graham and the right of Mittens and Mutkowski.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at December 22, 2021 03:56 PM (BoOUn)

154
Don't be surprised if mitt romney, who isn't running again in '24, white-knights for the Democrat party.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 22, 2021 03:56 PM (hk7Bm)

155 and a Mitch McConnel autographed VHS tape of The Aristocrats.
---
Aw man that's nasty. I think I'm gonna be sick...

Posted by: Gilbert Gottfried at December 22, 2021 03:56 PM (sWM8x)

156
Manchin should have his hull swept for bombs.

Not joking.

Posted by: portlandon at December 22, 2021 03:56 PM (+oR7L)

157 If he switches, it has nothing to do with how he was or is currently being treated by his side of the isle. It has everything to do with the makeup of the Senate in 2022. He will never has as much power as he does right now.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at December 22, 2021 03:56 PM (sX1BW)

158 Why would Manchin do that, though? If he stays the course, he'll do fine in WV. Switching to (I) and caucusing with them could work, and maybe even boost his popularity. But, switching to (R)? Insane. If he switches to (R), he'll lose.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2021 03:46 PM (hQ23g)
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Becoming an (I) and caucusing does nothing for him or the Republicans.

If he doesn't vote for McConnell for majority leader, it doesn't matter.
Posted by: WisRich at December 22, 2021 03:50 PM (G0vdT)


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Personally I want to see Democrat Intra-Party politics turn into literal bloodsports. I want them to destroy each other. I want to watch half the Democrat Party apparatchiks cancel each other one by one, like Stalin except without the Gulags or Saddam except without the bullet in the back of the head.

Posted by: rd at December 22, 2021 03:56 PM (Z32m1)

159 Don't be surprised if mitt romney, who isn't running again in '24, white-knights for the Democrat party.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 22, 2021 03:56 PM (hk7Bm)
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Gross. It's sad that I'm thinking about whether this is possible.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2021 03:56 PM (DU+/6)

160 These guys really don't know what's going to happen next year, do they?

@DeAngelisCorey 39m

BREAKING: Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf (D ) vetoed a curriculum transparency bill.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 22, 2021 03:57 PM (1t5dY)

161
The whole purpose of mitt romney being the Senate was to destroy Trump.

So of the voting bullshit in the bill makes certain Trump and Trump-like Republicans will be kept out of office, romney will support it.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 22, 2021 03:57 PM (hk7Bm)

162 He's not losing in WV as a Republican. Not these days anyway. But he loses committee assignments and seniority- and to senators who do nothing all day, its the only thing that gets them over to the Rayburn building in the morning. McConnell has a move here, but it means letting an ally chose to retire. Is he man enough to let it happen - will see.
Posted by: Boswell at December 22, 2021 03:54 PM (5iUNf)



In fairness, a Republican or two might have to give up some committee chair but, the ones they get to keep become Majority Committee Chairs.

If Manchin would switch, Mitch would take it in a heartbeat.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 22, 2021 03:57 PM (yQpMk)

163 160 These guys really don't know what's going to happen next year, do they?

@DeAngelisCorey 39m

BREAKING: Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf (D ) vetoed a curriculum transparency bill.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 22, 2021 03:57 PM (1t5dY)

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Well, Wolf may be okay. He's gotta win statewide in PA. They have mechanisms for that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 03:58 PM (LvTSG)

164 Manchin had doomed the world to be destroyed by Climate Change.

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He's Kryptoned us?!!!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 22, 2021 03:58 PM (FVME7)

165 Some people, and Biden is one of them, simply say what they want. Truth is not a concept they understand.

Posted by: Javems at December 22, 2021 03:58 PM (AmoqO)

166 If Manchin would switch, Mitch would take it in a heartbeat.

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this should scare any sane democrat.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 22, 2021 03:58 PM (ZZK0E)

167 I can think of 3 RINO traitors that went D officially. But if Manchin goes the other way it's an end of democracy. Or something.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 22, 2021 03:58 PM (OalnH)

168 Before anyone takes to big a drag on Manchin's joint remember he voted to impeach Trump twice.

He's not really on our side. He just didn't want to lose his job and he doesn't want to be a Republican. He comes from a long line of powerful Democrats in WV. He's not going to give that up easily.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2021 03:58 PM (ZLI7S)

169 McConnell and team GOPe should be throwing blow and hookers at Manchin to get him to switch parties.

I heard Laura Bush is available for lap dances.

Posted by: Capital Eff at December 22, 2021 03:58 PM (GYllL)

170 Gross. It's sad that I'm thinking about whether this is possible.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2021 03:56 PM (DU+/6)

Bipartisan!

Posted by: ... at December 22, 2021 03:58 PM (NfvSB)

171 D-I-V-O-R-C-E

Preferable to a shooting war. At least currently.

Posted by: Just a side note at December 22, 2021 03:59 PM (H/pb5)

172 this should scare any sane democrat.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 22, 2021 03:58 PM (ZZK0E)

And which four would you consider sane?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at December 22, 2021 03:59 PM (cvNl1)

173 The GOP membership package is a clown nose, a fart machine, a box, a gimp suit and a Mitch McConnel autographed VHS tape of The Aristocrats.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 22, 2021 03:53 PM


So has anyone ever intended to rent Disney's "The Aristocats" for the kids and instead brought home "The Aristocrats"?

Posted by: Chuck C at December 22, 2021 03:59 PM (EughT)

174 146
Manchimp.
I hate fucking manchimps.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 22, 2021 03:55 PM (hk7Bm)

Wait, that's what you get when a radioactive man bites a chimp, right? That means it's a chimp with exaggerated behaviors of a man. Dear Lord it would never stop masturbating.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at December 22, 2021 03:59 PM (cupoy)

175 The whole purpose of mitt romney being the Senate was to destroy Trump.

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now, the whole purpose of Trump is to help primary traitorous RINO's in congress.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 22, 2021 03:59 PM (ZZK0E)

176
I heard Laura Bush is available for lap dances.
Posted by: Capital Eff at December 22, 2021 03:58 PM (GYllL)



She DOES have big cans......

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 22, 2021 03:59 PM (Zz0t1)

177 this should scare any sane democrat.
Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 22, 2021 03:58 PM (ZZK0E)


Heh. Just one problem.....

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 22, 2021 03:59 PM (o2MD2)

178 So, the plan is to apply Unendurable Pressure on Manchin. How?

Call him a racist? Knee-cap him? Kidnap his wife and threaten to burn her alive?

They cannot believably threaten to kill him to make him do their bidding. If Joe dies, the West VA Republican Governor appoints a Republican to replace Joe. If they beat Joe to within an inch of his life, he can't vote at all while in a hospital. Then it is 50 R, 49 D in the Senate until Joe can return to the Senate Chamber. Will Joe then vote as Schumer tells him, or tell Schumer to go to hell?

Other than kidnapping his wife, children, or grandchildren and threatening to kill them, I don't think they can apply Unendurable Pressure on Joe. Joe, I recommend you get really good security for your family members. The people wanting to pressure you are psychopaths and sociopaths.

Posted by: Gref at December 22, 2021 03:59 PM (AMIL/)

179 Don't be surprised if mitt romney, who isn't running again in '24, white-knights for the Democrat party.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 22, 2021 03:56 PM (hk7Bm

Romney--like McCain-- was all about thwarting Trump.

Trump's out of the picture ( for now) so there's no reason to white knight for the Democrats

Posted by: JoeF. at December 22, 2021 03:59 PM (mR6Gs)

180 168 Before anyone takes to big a drag on Manchin's joint remember he voted to impeach Trump twice.

He's not really on our side. He just didn't want to lose his job and he doesn't want to be a Republican. He comes from a long line of powerful Democrats in WV. He's not going to give that up easily.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2021 03:58 PM (ZLI7S)

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He made a big show for the folks back home that gave Trump a 40 point victory in 2020. He's telling the rubes that he's the only thing standing between them and the radicalism of the Democratic Party, even while he's a Democrat himself.

I mean...you can say a lot about the guy, but he's a quality politician.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 03:59 PM (LvTSG)

181 Manchin did the right thing here. But anyone thinking he's a hero should take a look at his voting record.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 22, 2021 04:00 PM (Sgh52)

182 Before anyone takes to big a drag on Manchin's joint remember he voted to impeach Trump twice.

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he also votes for Biden's insane nominees.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 22, 2021 04:00 PM (ZZK0E)

183 Preferable to a shooting war. At least currently.
Posted by: Just a side note at December 22, 2021 03:59 PM (H/pb5)

/looks a few threads down.

Uh, you do know they threatened to shoot the unvaxxed.
That IS a declaration of War IMO.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 22, 2021 04:00 PM (oHd/0)

184 Manchin has incredible power at the moment, which could be used to save this country. He could do enormous damage to the Left. He could become a chapter in a future Profiles in Courage. But he won't. He has no imagination.

Posted by: Ordinary American at December 22, 2021 04:00 PM (H8QX8)

185 Manchin is at the apex of his power. Both sides may want him, but Manchin switching sides could have unknown ripple effects. How would Murkowski, Mitt or Simena act in a world where Manchin is GOP? A lot of game theory.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at December 22, 2021 04:00 PM (sX1BW)

186 182 he also votes for Biden's insane nominees.
Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 22, 2021 04:00 PM (ZZK0E)

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Just like Lindsay Graham!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:00 PM (LvTSG)

187 That's because there are other senators like Tester, Sinema and Warnock that will be smashed by the voters.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 22, 2021 03:53 PM (Sgh52)

Yes, this is why McConnell giving Schumer an out on the debt ceiling without using reconciliation was a political mistake...now they could now use it for BBB this year - if Manchin plays ball. But on Jan 1, that carriage turns into a pumpkin.

But maybe, just maybe...McConnell has whispered all fall sweet nothings in Manchin's ear, and decided that it was worth the risk, making the Dems turn on Manchin in hope he switches parties in 2022. Its a hail mary I wouldn't have thrown. But let's see how this plays out.

Posted by: Boswell at December 22, 2021 04:00 PM (5iUNf)

188 I heard Laura Bush is available for lap dances.
Posted by: Capital Eff at December 22, 2021 03:58 PM (GYllL)


She DOES have big cans......
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 22, 2021 03:59 PM (Zz0t1)

Does she? She must have kept them well-hidden

Posted by: JoeF. at December 22, 2021 04:01 PM (mR6Gs)

189
13 years ago, obama said "this is the night the oceans stopped rising."

Remember that bullshit?

Are we to believe obama was full of shit?



Posted by: Soothsayer at December 22, 2021 04:01 PM (hk7Bm)

190 Wait, that's what you get when a radioactive man bites a chimp, right? That means it's a chimp with exaggerated behaviors of a man. Dear Lord it would never stop masturbating.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at December 22, 2021 03:59 PM (cupoy)

Planet of the Apes, brought to you by PronHub!

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 22, 2021 04:01 PM (oHd/0)

191 >>I mean...you can say a lot about the guy, but he's a quality politician.

He's a senator from a pretty inconsequential state in the grand scheme of things and he's managed to make himself the center of power in DC at least for a while.

That takes skill.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2021 04:01 PM (ZLI7S)

192 Romney--like McCain-- was all about thwarting Trump.

Trump's out of the picture ( for now) so there's no reason to white knight for the Democrats
Posted by: JoeF. at December 22, 2021 03:59 PM (mR6Gs)

I wouldn't take that bet on my luckiest day.

Posted by: ... at December 22, 2021 04:01 PM (NfvSB)

193 Then it is 50 R, 49 D



50R, 47D, 2I

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 22, 2021 04:01 PM (yQpMk)

194 189
13 years ago, obama said "this is the night the oceans stopped rising."

Remember that bullshit?

Are we to believe obama was full of shit?

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 22, 2021 04:01 PM (hk7Bm)

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He believes it. Bought the house on Martha's Vineyard and everything.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:01 PM (LvTSG)

195 Men really fucked up with that whole 19th Amendment thing.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at December 22, 2021 03:48 PM (II3Gr)


Got to disagree with you. Men fucked up with that whole universal suffrage thing. I'd say about 60% of the people in this country should not be allowed to vote.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 22, 2021 04:01 PM (2JVJo)

196 13 years ago, obama said "this is the night the oceans stopped rising."

Remember that bullshit?

Are we to believe obama was full of shit?



Posted by: Soothsayer at December 22, 2021 04:01 PM (hk7Bm)

now we know why he felt safe enough to get that house on the coast.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 22, 2021 04:02 PM (eoQWY)

197 Manchin should at least become an Independent. How can you stay in a Party that is targeting you with implied violence?

Posted by: Just a side note at December 22, 2021 04:02 PM (H/pb5)

198 182 he also votes for Biden's insane nominees.
Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 22, 2021 04:00 PM (ZZK0E)

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And he was typically the only Dem to vote for Trump's nominees.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at December 22, 2021 04:02 PM (TNyrE)

199 191 >>I mean...you can say a lot about the guy, but he's a quality politician.

He's a senator from a pretty inconsequential state in the grand scheme of things and he's managed to make himself the center of power in DC at least for a while.

That takes skill.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2021 04:01 PM (ZLI7S)

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The worst kind of quality politician, but damn...he's good at this.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:02 PM (LvTSG)

200 W VA is a pretty stupid state. It twice votes for Trump by yuuuuuuuge numbers and then in 2018, in between those two votes.....elects a Democrat senator???

I mean WTF? I know lots of them are hooked on Oxy, but JFC!

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 22, 2021 04:02 PM (OalnH)

201 Am I an idiot to believe this guy is going to screw us at the end of the day?? Maybe this is just decades of GOPe experience talking and he really does mean what he says.

Posted by: Muad'dib at December 22, 2021 04:02 PM (sjdRT)

202 50R, 47D, 2I
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 22, 2021 04:01 PM (yQpMk)
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And yet, despite being the majority, McConnell agreed to minority status just because the two "independents" always caucus with the Dems without fail.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2021 04:02 PM (DU+/6)

203 Were I your husband, Sidney, I should drink it!

Posted by: zombie sir winston churchill at December 22, 2021 04:02 PM (UHVv4)

204 197 Manchin should at least become an Independent. How can you stay in a Party that is targeting you with implied violence?
Posted by: Just a side note at December 22, 2021 04:02 PM (H/pb5)

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By knowing it's theater.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:02 PM (LvTSG)

205 Manchin should have his hull swept for bombs.

Not joking.
Posted by: portlandon at December 22, 2021 03:56 PM (+oR7L)


Remember the Spanish Civil War in 1936?

It all started when a Communist Police Force arrested a Rightist Politician and murdered him. It would be ironic if the Second American Revolution started over the murder of a Democrat by the Democrats. Ghastly and bloody, but ironic.

Posted by: rd at December 22, 2021 04:03 PM (Z32m1)

206 He's a senator from a pretty inconsequential state in the grand scheme of things and he's managed to make himself the center of power in DC at least for a while.

That takes skill.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2021 04:01 PM (ZLI7S)




When you are tied, any Senator is the tie-breaker.

Some of these other shit-heels on the Dem side should been leveraging that.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 22, 2021 04:03 PM (yQpMk)

207 "It's an example of Joe Manchin, as a White man, showing that he doesn't care about Black people, he doesn't care about Latinos, he doesn't care about immigrants, he doesn't care about women, and he doesn't care about the poor."
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But the improbably named "Jamaal" didn't include homosexuals, Muslims, "transgenders," the otherwise mentally ill, children.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 22, 2021 04:03 PM (cE4C5)

208 Obama also said there were no red states and no blue states which was actually a clever way of reinforcing that there are both red states and blue states.

Posted by: ... at December 22, 2021 04:03 PM (NfvSB)

209 I still believe this is all kayfabe (at least outside the militant communist bloc of the party) to take a deeply unpopular bill off the table for the time being and help salvage Biden's tanking approval. Manchin (and to a lesser degree, Sinema) are taking the heat on behalf of Dem leadership, who have to pretend to be outraged at their defection.

Posted by: mea culp at December 22, 2021 04:03 PM (3BMzT)

210
I don't understand.
13 years ago obama "fixed" the planet.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 22, 2021 04:03 PM (hk7Bm)

211 200 W VA is a pretty stupid state. It twice votes for Trump by yuuuuuuuge numbers and then in 2018, in between those two votes.....elects a Democrat senator???

I mean WTF? I know lots of them are hooked on Oxy, but JFC!
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 22, 2021 04:02 PM (OalnH)

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To be completely fair...Manchin went from winning by more than 20 points in 2012 to winning by 3 in 2018.

The Manchin name obviously means a lot in WV, but it seems to mean a whole lot less now than a decade ago. I think he knows that, and he has to put on a very public front in response.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:03 PM (LvTSG)

212 How would Murkowski, Mitt or Simena act in a world where Manchin is GOP? A lot of game theory.
Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at December 22, 2021 04:00 PM (sX1BW)

None of those idiots would risk losing their seniority - its what makes the coffee taste good at the Rayburn Building each morning - if Manchin switches and they still have their seats at the leadership table, they'll say nothing.

They'll get no such love over with the Dems, and they know it.

Posted by: Boswell at December 22, 2021 04:03 PM (5iUNf)

213 Got to disagree with you. Men fucked up with that whole universal suffrage thing. I'd say about 60% of the people in this country should not be allowed to vote.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 22, 2021 04:01 PM (2JVJo)

Yeah, been arguing for years that voting is a Privilege or Power, not a Right. Its not given by God, nor Nature, as it totally depends on your form of Government, which is a Man made entity.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 22, 2021 04:03 PM (oHd/0)

214 There can't be too much more of this until the Contemptible Congress goes on break for Christman/Kwanzaa/Festivus. Hang tough, Manchin!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 22, 2021 03:52 PM (KBCaU)


Maybe it's just me, but even here in deep blue MA, I have hardly seen any "Happy Kwanzaa" silliness anywhere.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 22, 2021 04:03 PM (2JVJo)

215 Can one imagine the Rs doing this to that fucking McCain?

Posted by: Mr Gaga at December 22, 2021 04:03 PM (KiBMU)

216 He's a senator from a pretty inconsequential state in the grand scheme of things and he's managed to make himself the center of power in DC at least for a while.

That takes skill.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2021 04:01 PM (ZLI7S)

I'd say it takes a lot of skill, young man.

Posted by: Zombie Robert Byrd at December 22, 2021 04:03 PM (mR6Gs)

217 By knowing it's theater.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:02 PM (LvTSG)

There it is.

Posted by: ... at December 22, 2021 04:03 PM (NfvSB)

218 He's a senator from a pretty inconsequential state in the grand scheme of things and he's managed to make himself the center of power in DC at least for a while.

That takes skill.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2021 04:01 PM (ZLI7S)

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He got lucky that the senate is 50-50. Any Dem could have been Manchin, he just went for it first.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 22, 2021 04:04 PM (OalnH)

219 Am I an idiot to believe this guy is going to screw us at the end of the day?? Maybe this is just decades of GOPe experience talking and he really does mean what he says.

Posted by: Muad'dib at December 22, 2021 04:02 PM (sjdRT)

I think in this one respect, Manchin is like Trump.

Trump absolutely would have played ball with the left in 2016. He would have loved to be deal-maker-in-chief. But instead, they came after him and his family, so fuck you. War.

Likewise Manchin. They're coming after him and his family, so fuck you. War.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at December 22, 2021 04:04 PM (cvNl1)

220 Funny how Republicans never give this kind of treatment to their turncoats. They're all about losing with dignity. No muss, no fuss.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at December 22, 2021 04:04 PM (cSs/W)

221 By knowing it's theater.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:02 PM (LvTSG

It's anything but theater. They are psychopaths. All of them.

Posted by: Just a side note at December 22, 2021 04:05 PM (H/pb5)

222 When you are tied, any Senator is the tie-breaker.

Some of these other shit-heels on the Dem side should been leveraging that.

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Simena is the only other one ... but none are in the same political situation he is. You can't leverage your vote if it means you will be primaried.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at December 22, 2021 04:05 PM (sX1BW)

223 (((DeanObeidallah)))
@DeanObeidallah
If you ever wondered what it felt like to live in 1930's Germany, you're getting a sense of it today. The GOP is a white supremacist, fascist movement that has rejected democracy and embraced both autocracy and violence. Today's GOP is how democracies die.

-
Dude, I want some of what you're smoking!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 22, 2021 04:05 PM (FVME7)

224 I used to think leftist activists just pretend to believe in global warming, unlike their idiot base that does believe in it. Given the hysteria, I'm starting to think they actually do believe their own BS about it. They actually think an apocalyptic climate catastrophe is now inevitable thanks to Joe Manchin.


Well, weather is usually like that anyway so they will have plenty of proof we are seeing the end of the world.

Posted by: Ripley at December 22, 2021 04:05 PM (MxEKc)

225 197 Manchin should at least become an Independent. How can you stay in a Party that is targeting you with implied violence?
Posted by: Just a side note at December 22, 2021 04:02 PM (H/pb5)

but then he loses out his Chairmanship of the Energy Commitee.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 22, 2021 04:05 PM (oHd/0)

226 Ready! Set! Go???
http://disq.us/p/2lig6h9

willowed cartoon
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at December 22, 2021 03:37 PM (UHVv4)

No cartoon, just a blank Instapundit page. disqus sucks syphilitic donkey dick

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 22, 2021 04:06 PM (P3gRi)

227
90% of this is Bullshit Theater by all parties involved.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 22, 2021 04:06 PM (hk7Bm)

228 221 By knowing it's theater.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:02 PM (LvTSG

It's anything but theater. They are psychopaths. All of them.
Posted by: Just a side note at December 22, 2021 04:05 PM (H/pb5)

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If it wasn't theater, Schumer would be actually punishing Manchin. Removing him from committees, definitely taking away his chair of the energy committee, and ordering the DSCC to fund his inevitable primary opponent.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:06 PM (LvTSG)

229 @DeanObeidallah
If you ever wondered what it felt like to live in 1930's Germany, you're getting a sense of it today. The GOP is a white supremacist, fascist movement that has rejected democracy and embraced both autocracy and violence. Today's GOP is how democracies die.



That's some pretty dumb shit right there.

Must've eaten Peg Bundy's mystery meat.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 22, 2021 04:06 PM (Zz0t1)

230 50R, 47D, 2I
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 22, 2021 04:01 PM (yQpMk)
++++
And yet, despite being the majority, McConnell agreed to minority status just because the two "independents" always caucus with the Dems without fail.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2021 04:02 PM (DU+/6)


50 R 48 D and 2 I = 100 Senators

Posted by: rd at December 22, 2021 04:06 PM (Z32m1)

231 "To be completely fair...Manchin went from winning by more than 20 points in 2012 to winning by 3 in 2018."

In a sane world he would have lost by 20 in 2018. WVA went for Trump by 40+ both in 2016 and 2020. Which means that there is a significant portion of the electorate that thought, yeah I like Trump. And I also like a guy who hates Trump. Which to me is fucking retarded.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 22, 2021 04:06 PM (OalnH)

232 @DeanObeidallah
If you ever wondered what it felt like to live in 1930's Germany, you're getting a sense of it today. The GOP is a white supremacist, fascist movement that has rejected democracy and embraced both autocracy and violence. Today's GOP is how democracies die.

-
Dude, I want some of what you're smoking!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 22, 2021 04:05 PM (FVME7)

Just change out GOP and Dems and the dude is 100 pct correct.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 22, 2021 04:06 PM (eoQWY)

233 Manchin votes at least 95 % of the time with the Dems

Posted by: It's me donna at December 22, 2021 04:06 PM (TdaKq)

234 I'm white and don't care about blacks. Imma evil. I do care about my wife, my son, and my country.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 22, 2021 04:07 PM (ifUkZ)

235 Dude lives on a boat.

Posted by: Just sayin' at December 22, 2021 04:07 PM (c0EHG)

236 50 R 48 D and 2 I = 100 Senators
Posted by: rd at December 22, 2021 04:06 PM (Z32m1)



The 47 was in response to the idea of Manchin not being able to vote.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 22, 2021 04:07 PM (yQpMk)

237 231 In a sane world he would have lost by 20 in 2018. WVA went for Trump by 40+ both in 2016 and 2020. Which means that there is a significant portion of the electorate that thought, yeah I like Trump. And I also like a guy who hates Trump. Which to me is fucking retarded.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 22, 2021 04:06 PM (OalnH)

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Constituent services.

"I can't vote against a Manchin. His daddy helped my granny sort out her Medicare issues back in 1982."

It's stupid, but that shit works.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:07 PM (LvTSG)

238 None of those idiots would risk losing their seniority - its what makes the coffee taste good at the Rayburn Building each morning - if Manchin switches and they still have their seats at the leadership table, they'll say nothing.

They'll get no such love over with the Dems, and they know it.

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No, but right now the GOP is lock step ... other than on nominees. Would they remain so? May not matter. It would just give them new room to operate. Politics is a strange game. Move one piece and many will start acting differently.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at December 22, 2021 04:07 PM (sX1BW)

239 @DeanObeidallah
If you ever wondered what it felt like to live in 1930's Germany, you're getting a sense of it today. The GOP is a white supremacist, fascist movement that has rejected democracy and embraced both autocracy and violence. Today's GOP is how democracies die. ...
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 22, 2021 04:05 PM (FVME7)
++++
He needs to take a midol and have a nap with a hot water bottle.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2021 04:07 PM (DU+/6)

240 So John Thune is thinking about retiring.

That's nice.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at December 22, 2021 04:07 PM (sWM8x)

241 Posted by: Joe XiDen
___

Can you not take the Lord's name in vain?

This nation needs His help.

Posted by: SMH at the wonder of His birth at December 22, 2021 04:08 PM (vcwBL)

242

Dennis Prager talks to Jon Mellis, political prisoner. He was at the Capitol on January 6. He's been incarcerated since February. His description of his treatment is very disturbing, more reminiscent of Communist China than America.

https://tinyurl.com/yhyzhaaa

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 22, 2021 04:08 PM (63Dwl)

243 The Schmuck might not be a genius but I doubt he's an idiot either.

What if Manchin leaving the caucus is the alternative he wants? Remember, he and Pelosi blew up a possible deal on the Dreamers/Wall when Trump offered to regularize everyone who qualified for Dreamer status, not just those that had been designated, in order to keep the Dreamers as a campaign issue.

So they have a bunch of votes on Biden's Budget Buster and the Protect Democrat Vote Fraud act. Schumer already knows that it's unlikely anything will be passed. It seems to me that pretty much all the work has been on Presidential appointments (and the GOP hasn't exactly been opposing them tooth-and-nail, and I don't think Manchin has opposed many, if any). So if Manchin bolts in late spring, what loss is it? The Cocaine Turtle would barely have time to get things organized before the GOP Senators up for election want to take time off to campaign, and they aren't exactly going to be chomping at the bit to make controversial votes. The Democrats then get to campaign on 'taking back the Senate' which is probably a bit easier to frame than 'just give us one more vote'.

Posted by: Christopher B at December 22, 2021 04:08 PM (f7J9k)

244 229 @DeanObeidallah
If you ever wondered what it felt like to live in 1930's Germany, you're getting a sense of it today. The GOP is a white supremacist, fascist movement that has rejected democracy and embraced both autocracy and violence. Today's GOP is how democracies die.

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leftists literally post the same tweet every day. yeah, we get it. racist. n2zi. sure.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 22, 2021 04:08 PM (ZZK0E)

245 Got to disagree with you. Men fucked up with that whole universal suffrage thing.

1920s American Men allowed their pimp hands to become entirely too weak.

Posted by: Mr. Obvious at December 22, 2021 04:08 PM (Wux4A)

246 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:06 PM (LvTSG)

It ain't about the other 49 Senators or 200+ Representatives. It's about their Hodgkinsons that they are signaling.

Posted by: Just a side note at December 22, 2021 04:08 PM (H/pb5)

247 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 22, 2021 04:03 PM (2JVJo)

I was being facetious. It's just some leftists who have their bee in a bonnet about this. The Blacks in my congregations have never celebrated this fake holiday by a man who tortured his girlfriends. maybe BLM does.My son got invited to a Kwanzaa celebration by some Black kid at his college in the Black Student Union (which I thought was nice), but I got the impression it was mostly about eating soul food. He didn't go, however.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 22, 2021 04:08 PM (KBCaU)

248 IF dems really wanted to pass those specific Items they are blaming on him, insulin, childcare etc...ALL they have to do is get those items into stand alone Bills, or include them in separate "Historically/Legally Required" appropriations Bills, rather than this behemoth omnibus monstrosity.
IE: DO THEIR JOBS! In the House and the Senate, not re-invent the entire Budgetary process as a Lump Sum, Ten Years at once, all or nothing, boondoggle.

Posted by: birddog at December 22, 2021 04:08 PM (uAI4S)

249 Did any of you hear about the Sarah Sliverman and Joy Reid incident? About 2 weeks ago. Joy Reid tweeted some stupidity. Sarah Silverman called her out on it. Then the entire Twitterverse called Sliverman a racist.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 22, 2021 04:08 PM (OalnH)

250 Insulin?

I thought the Trump lowered the costs and Biden removed those measures.

Posted by: Been Lurking, but clearly been posting too at December 22, 2021 04:09 PM (rDgjh)

251 Randy Moss is from WV. I believe he was named after his hometown there.

Posted by: Regular joe relentlessly upping the ante at December 22, 2021 04:09 PM (L9P9s)

252 Most people are not on Twitter, so do not care about Twitter spats.

Posted by: SMH at the wonder of His birth at December 22, 2021 04:09 PM (vcwBL)

253 I used to think leftist activists just pretend to believe in global warming, unlike their idiot base that does believe in it. Given the hysteria, I'm starting to think they actually do believe their own BS about it. They actually think an apocalyptic climate catastrophe is now inevitable thanks to Joe Manchin.


Well, weather is usually like that anyway so they will have plenty of proof we are seeing the end of the world.

Posted by: Ripley at December 22, 2021 04:05 PM


Oh they believe it. Watched a clip about an antarctic marathon on TV this morning. They had guys from all over the world competing, it was brutal. They breathlessly reported daytime temps of 0 degrees in the middle of summer. After they finished they had some clown on about how the antarctic is melting and this may be one of the last marathons they can ever do there because the ice will be gone. Fire can't melt steel and ice melts at zero degrees. Idiots.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 22, 2021 04:09 PM (bVYXr)

254 250 Insulin?

I thought the Trump lowered the costs and Biden removed those measures.
Posted by: Been Lurking, but clearly been posting too at December 22, 2021 04:09 PM (rDgjh)

Wasn't Manchin's daughter connected to the Epipen or something like that?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at December 22, 2021 04:10 PM (BoOUn)

255 This fit blonde in her underwear isn't surprised that the Leftists are essentially threatening actual violence over this bill:
https://is.gd/2GaLsM

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2021 04:10 PM (DU+/6)

256 Did any of you hear about the Sarah Sliverman and Joy Reid incident? About 2 weeks ago. Joy Reid tweeted some stupidity. Sarah Silverman called her out on it. Then the entire Twitterverse called Sliverman a racist.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 22, 2021 04:08 PM (OalnH)

Even more astonishing....I dropped a rock and it FELL - get this - DOWN TO THE GROUND.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 22, 2021 04:10 PM (eoQWY)

257 223 (((DeanObeidallah)))
@DeanObeidallah
If you ever wondered what it felt like to live in 1930's Germany, you're getting a sense of it today. The GOP is a white supremacist, fascist movement that has rejected democracy and embraced both autocracy and violence. Today's GOP is how democracies die.



Save some chicks for the rest of us, bro.
(h/t Jesse Kelly)

Posted by: Puddleglum at December 22, 2021 04:10 PM (sAmhv)

258 I want them to destroy each other. I want to watch half the Democrat Party apparatchiks cancel each other one by one, like Stalin except without the Gulags or Saddam except without the bullet in the back of the head.
Posted by: rd at December 22, 2021 03:56 PM (Z32m1)


Saddam also used plastic recycling machines and steam rollers.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 22, 2021 04:10 PM (ZMraq)

259 Which means that there is a significant portion of the electorate that thought, yeah I like Trump. And I also like a guy who hates Trump.

I know some people from mountain states - the incumbent D's work incredibly hard at constituent service and retail politicking. In a less populous state, you can personally meet every politically involved person in the state, if you are willing to put in the work.

You end up with a lot of voters who say: "I hate the Democrats, but Fred is OK."

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2021 04:10 PM (I2/tG)

260 There's a town in West Virginia named "Romney."

Posted by: My word as a Biden at December 22, 2021 04:10 PM (c0EHG)

261 By knowing it's theater.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:02 PM (LvTSG

A circus is only as good as its ring master - can Schumer control the Beserkers now that he's let out of them out of their cages? He's done a poor job so far, I'd say. He's even added fuel to that fire.

I don't think Manchin switches - which may be why Mitch is trying to keep Thune in the kennel. But there are lot's of moves that can and will be made before this thing ends.

Posted by: Boswell at December 22, 2021 04:11 PM (5iUNf)

262 What if Manchin leaving the caucus is the alternative he wants?

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Not the worst plan from their side. Get rid of the one who is going to disappoint you anyway.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at December 22, 2021 04:11 PM (sX1BW)

263 You can bet your bippy that behind the scenes the Left gave Trump *many* an opportunity to "work with them".

Posted by: ... at December 22, 2021 04:11 PM (NfvSB)

264 He needs to take a midol and have a nap with a hot water bottle.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2021 04:07 PM (DU+/6)


I should buy stock in Midol what with all the sandy vaginas around lately.

Posted by: Jordan61 at December 22, 2021 04:11 PM (Ez6QX)

265 What if he just announced he's no longer caucussing with the Dems?
He's not switching parties, he's just a party of one

Posted by: Lrrr at December 22, 2021 04:11 PM (6iBin)

266 61 Stop fucking calling it REVENUE.

You're not EARNING the money, you fucktards. YOU'RE STEALING it.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 22, 2021 03:44 PM (Zz0t1)
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Like welfare recipients saying they "got paid." No, you didn't. You're a parasite, and you got a handout.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 22, 2021 04:11 PM (cE4C5)

267 And yet, despite being the majority, McConnell agreed to minority status just because the two "independents" always caucus with the Dems without fail.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2021 04:02 PM


The two independents voted with the Dems on the organizing resolution. That is not "agreeing to minority status"

Posted by: Chuck C at December 22, 2021 04:11 PM (EughT)

268 Oh they believe it. Watched a clip about an antarctic marathon on TV this morning. They had guys from all over the world competing, it was brutal. They breathlessly reported daytime temps of 0 degrees in the middle of summer. After they finished they had some clown on about how the antarctic is melting and this may be one of the last marathons they can ever do there because the ice will be gone. Fire can't melt steel and ice melts at zero degrees. Idiots.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 22, 2021 04:09 PM (bVYXr)

They believe it professionally. But in their lives, they jet set all over the world and have huge houses and cars, more than 1. They are Pharasees of the religion of Environmentalism.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 22, 2021 04:11 PM (eoQWY)

269 holy crap, how was the movie?

sometimes I'm a thorough blogger
Posted by: ace at December 22, 2021 03:38 PM (0G13K)

not only was it very thorough, i went back and read the entire content.

and it was very well done.

like i said, i hope they do push him away, and we might even get lucky and have a few slightly normal dems have their eyes opened if the commies fully unload on manchin.

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at December 22, 2021 04:11 PM (8D42x)

270 This fit blonde in her underwear isn't surprised that the Leftists are essentially threatening actual violence over this bill:
https://is.gd/2GaLsM
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2021 04:10 PM (DU+/6)

You had me at 'fit blonde'...that is a grown up woman's body on a girl's face, though.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at December 22, 2021 04:11 PM (XvPQV)

271 Surely a baseball bat out in a corn field would be the real hardball. A ride to no where in a mob caddy. and a good talking to, no one around for miles to hear your cry for help.

Posted by: Colin at December 22, 2021 04:12 PM (x7UGE)

272 The Manchin name obviously means a lot in WV, but it seems to mean a whole lot less now than a decade ago. I think he knows that, and he has to put on a very public front in response.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,


The tell, if it's all fake bs or not, is if Manchin switches parties.

Posted by: rickb223 Pureblood - non-GMO at December 22, 2021 04:12 PM (uXonU)

273 Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 22, 2021 04:08 PM (ZZK0E)

Dumbass doesn't realize that the 1930's in Germany was pretty good ( unless you were a Jew. He forgot to say ' if you were a jew....' )

Posted by: Just a side note at December 22, 2021 04:12 PM (H/pb5)

274 No cartoon, just a blank Instapundit page. disqus sucks syphilitic donkey dick
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 22, 2021 04:06 PM (P3gRi)


You have to click on the link on Instapundit.
Here's the cartoon on Instagram - FB is about to kick this guy off. His last 2 have been removed, another had to be censored.

instagram.com/p/CXMVsEQua8N/

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 22, 2021 04:12 PM (wAnMi)

275 I hope every coal miner starves to death when the Dems shut down their industry. But my daddy was helped by Manchin in 1982..... cool bro, enjoy poverty and misery. You'll always have that sweet memory of 1982.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 22, 2021 04:12 PM (OalnH)

276 255 This fit blonde in her underwear isn't surprised that the Leftists are essentially threatening actual violence over this bill:
https://is.gd/2GaLsM
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2021 04:10 PM (DU+/6)

No lie, went on a few dates with a girl who looked like her (though never saw her with clothes off). Totally out of my league but I made her laugh I suppose.

Anyway, first date, she's telling me she's recently out of a long-term relationship with a guy who was a stock broker. Well, this dummy forgets to activate his new debit card before said date. Card gets rejected.

She was cool about it but man, there's never been a more wrong time/place for that to happen.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at December 22, 2021 04:12 PM (BoOUn)

277 How does one get a gig as a strategist? We even have them on the local Austin news shows. Up until now, I've always translated that as hack, but I'm starting to think this might be a pretty good gig, make the occasional appearance, mouth some pre-wordsmithed talking points, hit the green room and graze, and then stop at the bank on the way home to deposit some of that sweet campaign grift, er graft, I mean renumeration.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 22, 2021 04:12 PM (a3Q+t)

278
not only was it very thorough, i went back and read the entire content.

and it was very well done.

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at December 22, 2021 04:11 PM (8D42x)



Ace is pretty damn good at his chosen job, that's for damn sure.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 22, 2021 04:12 PM (Zz0t1)

279 But tomorrow, Sidney, I shall be sober!

Posted by: zombie sir winston churchill at December 22, 2021 04:12 PM (UHVv4)

280 Has anyone ever seen Manchin in the same room with Joe Theisman?

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at December 22, 2021 04:12 PM (aLLD1)

281 It's anything but theater. They are psychopaths. All of them.
Posted by: Just a side note at December 22, 2021 04:05 PM (H/pb5)

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If it wasn't theater, Schumer would be actually punishing Manchin. Removing him from committees, definitely taking away his chair of the energy committee, and ordering the DSCC to fund his inevitable primary opponent.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:06 PM (LvTSG)


Schumer would suck Manchin's d*** in the capitol Rotunda if Manchin promises to stay in the Democrat Caucasians.

Schumer would suck Romney's P***y ON NATIONAL TV if he switches to the Democrat Caucus.

Posted by: rd at December 22, 2021 04:13 PM (Z32m1)

282
I'ma just leave this one here (SFW, if not for your brain):

https://tinyurl.com/2p94ct3b

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2021 04:14 PM (hQ23g)

283 Will they constantly be calling us neo-nazis by next election (once the white supremacist slander has lost its lustre) or are they saving that gem for '24?

Posted by: ... at December 22, 2021 04:14 PM (NfvSB)

284 hey jet set all over the world and have huge houses and cars, more than 1.
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And beachfront property.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at December 22, 2021 04:14 PM (UHVv4)

285 281 Schumer would suck Manchin's d*** in the capitol Rotunda if Manchin promises to stay in the Democrat Caucasians.

Schumer would suck Romney's P***y ON NATIONAL TV if he switches to the Democrat Caucus.
Posted by: rd at December 22, 2021 04:13 PM (Z32m1)

========

Hence...the anger is theater.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:14 PM (LvTSG)

286 the left rioted throughout 2020, committed open insurrection during the KAvanaugh hearings, and now have actual gulags in DC-Gitmo where political prisoners (from a peaceful protest) are being tortured without trial because of their political beliefs.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 22, 2021 04:14 PM (ZZK0E)

287 oh god, that IS a nice blonde. yumma

Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 22, 2021 04:14 PM (ZZK0E)

288
instagram.com/p/CXMVsEQua8N/
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 22, 2021 04:12 PM (wAnMi)



Dumbass comment:


kingnutstupid
wow, imagine being transphobic. and, not only transphobic, but blatantly ignoring the fact that some women are built with muscles, contradicting your idea of woman. Do better.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 22, 2021 04:14 PM (Zz0t1)

289 Like welfare recipients saying they "got paid." No, you didn't. You're a parasite, and you got a handout.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 22, 2021 04:11 PM (cE4C5)

__

In many states, welfare must be counted as income for the purposes of renting or buying a home. So a landlord or a mortgage company can't say nah bruh, your welfare money doesn't count, how much do you actually earn? Cuz fairness and equality and shit.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 22, 2021 04:14 PM (OalnH)

290
lulz:

the new fake bait and switch Matrix is a total bomb.
It's a political movie with an agenda pretending to be a Matrix sequel.

PLUS: the Matrix freaks have issued a Fatwa: We will "reclaim" "red pill" from the "right wing," they shrieked.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at December 22, 2021 04:15 PM (6vHcr)

291 I wonder why Sinema gets a free ride now...

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 22, 2021 04:15 PM (QyJDK)

292 Ace is pretty damn good at his chosen job, that's for damn sure.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 22, 2021 04:12 PM (Zz0t1)
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When I heard he is only 29 I about fell out of my chair.

Posted by: 496 at December 22, 2021 04:15 PM (VJsqe)

293 This BBB crap isn't Bidens anyway, it was Bernie and the Squads...it was/is the Socialist Party of Americas game plan, promoted and published long before even the primaries. Biden loudly angrily claimed he would NOT do the Green Nude eel and Great Reset when asked.
Now they claim it as "His"

Posted by: birddog at December 22, 2021 04:15 PM (uAI4S)

294 Julie Kelly on Bannon's War Room claims the 3 hour video clip from J6 will be a "bombshell"

https://tinyurl.com/4ck96ws2

Rumble, War Room link

Posted by: Fool Otto at December 22, 2021 04:15 PM (DB16e)

295 Revenue and Investments

=

Taxes and Spending

Posted by: ... at December 22, 2021 04:15 PM (NfvSB)

296 Schumer would suck Manchin's d*** in the capitol Rotunda if Manchin promises to stay in the Democrat Caucasians.

Schumer would suck Romney's P***y ON NATIONAL TV if he switches to the Democrat Caucus.
Posted by: rd


The takeaway? Schumer just wants dick.

Posted by: rickb223 Pureblood - non-GMO at December 22, 2021 04:16 PM (uXonU)

297 I just hope Biden doesn't get up on stage and do his dime-story Dirty Harry impression. that will really push MAnchin to vote yes

Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 22, 2021 04:16 PM (ZZK0E)

298 -----
When I heard he is only 29 I about fell out of my chair.
Posted by: 496 at December 22, 2021 04:15 PM (VJsqe)



Most of us are.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 22, 2021 04:16 PM (Zz0t1)

299 Anyway, first date, she's telling me she's recently out of a long-term relationship with a guy who was a stock broker. Well, this dummy forgets to activate his new debit card before said date. Card gets rejected.

___

Did you call Mike Damone to bail you out?

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 22, 2021 04:16 PM (OalnH)

300 Schumer would suck Romney's P***y ON NATIONAL TV if he switches to the Democrat Caucus.
Posted by: rd at December 22, 2021 04:13 PM


Sorry, but I gotta call bogus on that. If there were *any* cameras present, Romney would be laying flat and bleeding, as Chuck ran him over to get to the camera.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 22, 2021 04:17 PM (a3Q+t)

301 Democrats should just come out of the closet and rename their caucus the "James Hodgkinson Caucus".

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 22, 2021 04:17 PM (QyJDK)

302 291 I wonder why Sinema gets a free ride now...
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 22, 2021 04:15 PM (QyJDK)

___

She's much sexier than Manchin.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at December 22, 2021 04:17 PM (OalnH)

303 294 Julie Kelly on Bannon's War Room claims the 3 hour video clip from J6 will be a "bombshell"

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well, the left still thinks GHW Bush was astounded by a cashier checkout device and Bush held a plastic turkey, so I don't think the left is that open to new ideas.

also, the GOP has always abandoned their base, so I don't think they give a shit.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 22, 2021 04:17 PM (ZZK0E)

304 The Demoncrats seem entirely incapable of rational debate.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, the Phillips screwdriver of the gods at December 22, 2021 04:17 PM (WJNu0)

305 I hope that Mr. Manchin has his constituents calling or writing with support and also that he has good friends , a supportive family and a strong faith and prayer life.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 22, 2021 03:43 PM (KBCaU)

Well, he has a daughter who makes a metric fuckton of money off overpriced Epipens, thanks to an EO from Slow Joe.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 22, 2021 04:17 PM (P3gRi)

306 Russian State TV Says the US Will Be "Reduced to Radioactive Ash" If the US Doesn't Meet Russia's Demands Regarding Ukraine

GP

Posted by: SMH at the wonder of His birth at December 22, 2021 04:17 PM (vcwBL)

307 Revenue and Investments

=

Taxes and Spending
Posted by: ... at December 22, 2021 04:15 PM (NfvSB)

Sex and Violence

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at December 22, 2021 04:17 PM (XvPQV)

308 The Red Pill is now a suppository and it makes you vote Dem.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at December 22, 2021 04:17 PM (UHVv4)

309 the gOPe daydreams, "why can't our voters be gay muslim trannies of color like the DNC? Our voters are soooo embarassing. "

Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 22, 2021 04:17 PM (ZZK0E)

310 I'ma just leave this one here (SFW, if not for your brain):

https://tinyurl.com/2p94ct3b
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2021 04:14 PM (hQ23g)
++++
And people ask me why I don't date.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2021 04:17 PM (DU+/6)

311 307 Sex and Violence
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at December 22, 2021 04:17 PM (XvPQV)

=========

Exodus: Gods and Kings

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:18 PM (LvTSG)

312 I wonder why Sinema gets a free ride now...

Gas, grass, or ass - nobody rides for free.

Besides - they ALREADY bullied Sinema. Didn't work. Do now, they're testing Manchin.

Posted by: Mr. Obvious at December 22, 2021 04:18 PM (Wux4A)

313 "Muh racism muh slavery muh MLK muh chains muh black and brown bodies muh filibuster muh Malcom X muh Ibram X."

-A US Representative from the Bronx criticizing a Senator three years away from his next election, representing West Virginia, a 94% white state that has never had black people or racism or money

Posted by: Funkotron at December 22, 2021 04:18 PM (SxNSj)

314 310 And people ask me why I don't date.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2021 04:17 PM (DU+/6)

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But sex with a lady is so much fun.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:18 PM (LvTSG)

315 Hence...the anger is theater.

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That's my guess. Hey maybe Manchin wants to switch sides too. Not the first politician to do so.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at December 22, 2021 04:18 PM (sX1BW)

316 -A US Representative from the Bronx criticizing a Senator three years away from his next election, representing West Virginia, a 94% white state that has never had black people or racism or money

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can't be racist if you don't have differnt races.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 22, 2021 04:19 PM (ZZK0E)

317 They breathlessly reported daytime temps of 0 degrees in the middle of summer. After they finished they had some clown on about how the antarctic is melting and this may be one of the last marathons they can ever do there because the ice will be gone. Fire can't melt steel and ice melts at zero degrees. Idiots.
------------------

Maybe they meant 0 Celsius?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 22, 2021 04:19 PM (auq4b)

318 But sex with a lady is so much fun.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:18 PM (LvTSG)
++++
Heh. I'll take "first human discovery" for $1000, Alex.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2021 04:19 PM (DU+/6)

319 When I heard he is only 29 I about fell out of my chair.
Posted by: 496 at December 22, 2021 04:15 PM


Fortunately, he hasn't succumbed to the age-induced cynicism that some of the 29 year olds here have, who are far too young to be so cynical.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 22, 2021 04:19 PM (a3Q+t)

320 Michigan kidnap plotter and FBI agent that mercilessly beat the shit out of his wife sentenced to ..... 2 days in jail.

per Julie Kelly on War Room

Posted by: Fool Otto at December 22, 2021 04:19 PM (DB16e)

321 Student loan payments suspended until May 1. Ack ack ack ack ack. Squad wins.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 22, 2021 04:19 PM (5vVOA)

322 I wonder why Sinema gets a free ride now...

Lesbian.

Posted by: Just a side note at December 22, 2021 04:19 PM (H/pb5)

323 Dear Omar and other leftists: the white working class doesn't want your bribes. "Being better off" can't be measured just in dollars.

Posted by: Anotheranon at December 22, 2021 04:19 PM (psiUK)

324 Obama is in his "home" state of Hawaii, having left his oceanside estate on Martha's Vineyard. I notice he doesn't get back to Chicago too often...

Posted by: pahound at December 22, 2021 04:20 PM (R0OUi)

325 93 I think the same situation exists in WV that used to exist in OK. People were Democrats because they believed FDR got them out of the Great Depression. It became part of the team you were on. But the Dems kept going further left and the older folks died off. That's why OK went red and why WV has been trending red.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at December 22, 2021 03:48 PM (5HBd1)

It was the unions. SW Virginia used to be big United Mine Workers country, it is where the Democrats used to run up margins that looked like inner city voting patterns. That is until the Democrats war on coal. When that happened, the region started to turn. Once what was a safe D seat became a 50/50 district and eventually a district where the voting margin has begun to look like an inner city D district. The miners started seeing that the union leaders were more interested in being feted by the Democrats in Richmond and DC than in representing them. All of this started in 1989 during the UMW strike. The miners showed up to protest while their leaders were behind closed doors partying with the D leadership.

Same thing happened in WV.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at December 22, 2021 04:20 PM (I8FKK)

326 I imagine if most of the coal miners in WV didn't vote for Trump last time, they're now regretting the fact that Biden won. If you haven't actually figured out what a disaster the far leftist Dems are you're either stupid or in denial.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 22, 2021 04:20 PM (KBCaU)

327 Revenue and Investments

Taxes and Spending

Sex and Violence

Love and marriage

Posted by: Frank Sinatra at December 22, 2021 04:20 PM (c0EHG)

328 I'ma just leave this one here (SFW, if not for your brain):

https://tinyurl.com/2p94ct3b
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Couple of those catch on those ladies won't have to worry about abortions.

Posted by: dartist at December 22, 2021 04:20 PM (+ya+t)

329 If Manchin starts getting protestors at home with bullhorns, he can just cast off and drop anchor in the middle of the Potomac. Better than Tucker, who had to up and move to Florida to get away from the Antifites.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 22, 2021 04:21 PM (QyJDK)

330 a 94% white state that has never had black people or racism or money

No Blacks live in WV?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 22, 2021 04:21 PM (KBCaU)

331
Sex and Violence
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at December 22, 2021 04:17 PM (XvPQV)



There's no sex in your violence.


https://youtu.be/02K82uw4lio

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 22, 2021 04:21 PM (Zz0t1)

332 I'm so glad that I have the option to ignore links here.

Posted by: SMH at the wonder of His birth at December 22, 2021 04:21 PM (vcwBL)

333 That's a lie. Putin just said Biden is an ash-hole!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at December 22, 2021 04:22 PM (UHVv4)

334 South Africa is already past peak omicron

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 22, 2021 04:22 PM (5vVOA)

335
No Blacks live in WV?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 22, 2021 04:21 PM (KBCaU)

Very few.

But basically nobody else. A shitload of whites, and a handful of blacks.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2021 04:22 PM (hQ23g)

336 I'ma just leave this one here (SFW, if not for your brain):

https://tinyurl.com/2p94ct3b


Now THAT'S a scheming bitch.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at December 22, 2021 04:22 PM (SchxB)

337 Manchin starts getting protestors at home with bullhorns, he can just cast off and drop anchor in the middle of the Potomac. Better than Tucker, who had to up and move to Florida to get away from the Antifites.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 22, 2021 04:21 PM (QyJDK)

Won't happen because it's just theater.

Posted by: Just a side note at December 22, 2021 04:22 PM (H/pb5)

338 Dumbass comment:


kingnutstupid
wow, imagine being transphobic. and, not only transphobic, but blatantly ignoring the fact that some women are built with muscles, contradicting your idea of woman. Do better.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 22, 2021 04:14 PM (Zz0t1)


You should see the one that got shut down today! I can certainly see some pink haired pronoun faery shitting gummy bears when they saw this one - surprised twatter hasn't pulled it: https://tinyurl.com/mry47epv

Been following him for a while - it's only recently he got super political, mostly because of being attacked. Just used to do comic strips. Here's another one that FB banned, he had to put up a heavily blurred version: https://tinyurl.com/y5fukktt

But talk about cutting Manchin's throat on the POTATUS's own twatter page? Totes cool yo.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 22, 2021 04:23 PM (wAnMi)

339 Posted by: SMH at the wonder of His birth at December 22, 2021 04:21 PM (vcwBL)

We all have that option. Sometimes it's fun to open them and make snarky comments.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 22, 2021 04:23 PM (KBCaU)

340 @306

>>Russian State TV Says the US Will Be "Reduced to Radioactive Ash" If the US Doesn't Meet Russia's Demands Regarding Ukraine


Well a GOP senator threatened to use nukes against Russia if they invaded Ukraine.

So it looks like we are going to party like its 1947 all over again.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 22, 2021 04:23 PM (oHeld)

341 332 I'm so glad that I have the option to ignore links here.
Posted by: SMH at the wonder of His birth at December 22, 2021 04:21 PM (vcwBL)

========

Ana is pouting because she knows that SMH is going to ignore her.

https://tinyurl.com/ypc9ysw3

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:23 PM (LvTSG)

342 334 South Africa is already past peak omicron
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 22, 2021 04:22 PM (5vVOA)

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And all the white farmers are dead? Along with everyone else?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:24 PM (LvTSG)

343 Russian State TV Says the US Will Be "Reduced to Radioactive Ash" If the US Doesn't Meet Russia's Demands Regarding Ukraine

Yeah, the Russians from Putin on down are certainly talking as if they are going to war if the US and NATO don't acknowledge all of Eastern Europe as a Russian sphere of influence.

I think they are quite serious about this - they saw Brandon's performance in Afghanistan, and see a once in a lifetime opportunity to fundamentally restructure the European order.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 22, 2021 04:24 PM (I2/tG)

344 That's my guess. Hey maybe Manchin wants to switch sides too. Not the first politician to do so.
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Anyone can rat, but it takes a certain amount of ingenuity to re-rat.

Posted by: zombie sir winston churchill at December 22, 2021 04:24 PM (UHVv4)

345 I'ma just leave this one here (SFW, if not for your brain):

https://tinyurl.com/2p94ct3b

Now THAT'S a scheming bitch.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at December 22, 2021 04:22 PM (SchxB)


The worst part?
It's IMPOSSIBLE to tell these days if they're trolling or serious.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 22, 2021 04:24 PM (wAnMi)

346 And then the progressive challenger simply gets laughed out of the general election race while *checks notes* pocketing tens of millions of dollars donated by Hollywood to turn WV blue. Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 03:46 PM (LvTSG)

I'll be available in 2024.

Posted by: Beto at December 22, 2021 04:24 PM (BMmaB)

347 When I heard he is only 29 I about fell out of my chair.
Posted by: 496 at December 22, 2021 04:15 PM (VJsqe)


OMG! I have been reading the Ewok's AOSHQ stuff since he was 12?!?! Does that make me a perv?

Posted by: rd at December 22, 2021 04:24 PM (Z32m1)

348 Revenue and Investments

=

Taxes and Spending
Posted by: ... at December 22, 2021 04:15 PM (NfvSB)

Sex and Violence
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect

Hookers and blow.

Posted by: Hunter Biden at December 22, 2021 04:25 PM (FVME7)

349 Russian State TV Says the US Will Be "Reduced to Radioactive Ash" If the US Doesn't Meet Russia's Demands Regarding Ukraine.

Waste of missiles. If they'll just be patient, we'll end up nuking ourselves as a final solution to the Covid.

Posted by: Mr. Obvious at December 22, 2021 04:25 PM (Wux4A)

350 Been following him for a while - it's only recently he got super political, mostly because of being attacked. Just used to do comic strips. Here's another one that FB banned, he had to put up a heavily blurred version: https://tinyurl.com/y5fukktt

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 22, 2021 04:23 PM (wAnMi)


He is a damned fine artist

Posted by: Kindltot at December 22, 2021 04:25 PM (ZMraq)

351 South Africa is already past peak omicron
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 22, 2021 04:22 PM (5vVOA)

Kinda an interesting coincidence that the variants all seem to come outa there first.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 22, 2021 04:26 PM (eoQWY)

352 Waste of missiles. If they'll just be patient, we'll end up nuking ourselves as a final solution to the Covid.
Posted by: Mr. Obvious
___

lol

Posted by: SMH at the wonder of His birth at December 22, 2021 04:26 PM (vcwBL)

353 >>>Well a GOP senator threatened to use nukes against Russia if they invaded Ukraine.

And a Dem, Swalwell, threatened to nuke Republicans. Circle of life, or something.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at December 22, 2021 04:26 PM (HmZuC)

354 316 -A US Representative from the Bronx criticizing a Senator three years away from his next election, representing West Virginia, a 94% white state that has never had black people or racism or money

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can't be racist if you don't have differnt races.
Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 22, 2021 04:19 PM (ZZK0E)

Yet West Virginia is more ethnically diverse than Vermont

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at December 22, 2021 04:26 PM (I8FKK)

355
I don't think Putin means war. This is flexing, because he knows he'll get away with it. America is irrelevant; you could just go about your business and we'd do nothing, but if you bag on us and threaten us, we'll still do nothing, plus you score points with the home crowd. If you provoke us enough we'll """do""" """something""" and you get the mega-bonus payout of humiliating us militarily, right in front of G-d and everyone.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2021 04:26 PM (hQ23g)

356 324 Obama is in his "home" state of Hawaii, having left his oceanside estate on Martha's Vineyard. I notice he doesn't get back to Chicago too often...
__________

Why would he? Chicago served its crooked purposes for him already.

No need to pretend he actually gives a shit about anybody there anymore.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at December 22, 2021 04:26 PM (k4dH2)

357 Most of the time, Fen, snark just isn't worth it.

Posted by: SMH at the wonder of His birth at December 22, 2021 04:26 PM (vcwBL)

358
I'd love for Russia to retake half of Berlin, again.
Shove the Russian flag right up the EU's and Germany's ass.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at December 22, 2021 04:27 PM (6vHcr)

359 And all the white farmers are dead? Along with everyone else?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:24 PM (LvTSG)


As a positive, South Africa will be the supplier of 2/3 of the world's tumbleweed crop.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 22, 2021 04:27 PM (wAnMi)

360 You know who I really dislike? Hewitt and McConnell.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 22, 2021 04:27 PM (d01xV)

361 Posted by: SMH at the wonder of His birth at December 22, 2021 04:26 PM (vcwBL)

Most of the time, yes. Sometimes it amuses me.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 22, 2021 04:27 PM (KBCaU)

362 OMG! I have been reading the Ewok's AOSHQ stuff since he was 12?!?! Does that make me a perv?

Depends on what you did while reading. Giggity.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at December 22, 2021 04:27 PM (SchxB)

363 >>Russian State TV Says the US Will Be "Reduced to Radioactive Ash" If the US Doesn't Meet Russia's Demands Regarding Ukraine

--

Isn't it directly related to how much can be deposited in The Big Guy's bank accounts?

Posted by: Lady in Black at December 22, 2021 04:28 PM (sVtYq)

364 No Blacks live in WV? Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 22, 2021 04:21 PM (KBCaU)

At one time it was the whitest state in the country, but that distinction is now held by Maine and Vermont. Goes all the way back to the Civil War, when the mountain counties seceded from Virginia. They had no slave plantations and didn't see any reason to fight to retain them.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 22, 2021 04:28 PM (BMmaB)

365 Yet West Virginia is more ethnically diverse than Vermont
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at December 22, 2021 04:26 PM (I8FKK)

that cause Vermont expels them, not that they don't want to go there.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 22, 2021 04:28 PM (eoQWY)

366
I'd love for Russia to retake half of Berlin, again.

So would we.

Posted by: East German Olympic Swimmers at December 22, 2021 04:28 PM (c0EHG)

367 310 I'ma just leave this one here (SFW, if not for your brain):

https://tinyurl.com/2p94ct3b
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2021 04:14 PM (hQ23g)
++++
And people ask me why I don't date.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 22, 2021 04:17 PM (DU+/6)

I was getting gas this morning (FJB) and a guy was pushing his truck into the station. When I saw, I helped. By that miserable bint's logic now I'm responsible for the payments?

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at December 22, 2021 04:28 PM (cupoy)

368 BTW, I think Sidney on the previous thread was a troll, but she did a good job of roping people in.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 22, 2021 04:29 PM (KBCaU)

369 >>Yet West Virginia is more ethnically diverse than Vermont

I don't know about that. Vermont has a lot of traditional New England Yankees but as of late is being infested with NY communists.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2021 04:29 PM (ZLI7S)

370 Before we jump on the Joe Manchin train read this-

Stop Joe Manchin's Red Carpet Treatment

https://tinyurl.com/mvze2jx6

Posted by: redridinghood at December 22, 2021 04:29 PM (NpAcC)

371 At one time it was the whitest state in the country, but that distinction is now held by Maine and Vermont. Goes all the way back to the Civil War, when the mountain counties seceded from Virginia. They had no slave plantations and didn't see any reason to fight to retain them.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 22, 2021 04:28 PM (BMmaB)

That and the fact that the inland counties were gerrymandered so that they had about 1/3 the reps of the Tidewater counties despite having more while male population.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 22, 2021 04:29 PM (eoQWY)

372 Did any of the illegals get sent to WV? That would make them more diverse.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 22, 2021 04:30 PM (KBCaU)

373 >>>Goes all the way back to the Civil War, when the mountain counties seceded from Virginia. They had no slave plantations and didn't see any reason to fight to retain them.

That, and the fact that the eastern Virginians had total political control and ignored their needs and problems. Kinda like New York City and the rest of state.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at December 22, 2021 04:30 PM (HmZuC)

374 317 They breathlessly reported daytime temps of 0 degrees in the middle of summer. After they finished they had some clown on about how the antarctic is melting and this may be one of the last marathons they can ever do there because the ice will be gone. Fire can't melt steel and ice melts at zero degrees. Idiots.
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Maybe they meant 0 Celsius?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 22, 2021 04:19 PM (auq4b)


Maybe the clown did not read the reports from every major news outlet, including CNN, that the 2021 Antarctic Winter was the coldest on record.

Climate Warming certainly works in mysterious ways...

Posted by: Gref at December 22, 2021 04:30 PM (AMIL/)

375 >>Yet West Virginia is more ethnically diverse than Vermont

I don't know about that. Vermont has a lot of traditional New England Yankees but as of late is being infested with NY communists.

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Vermont is either smug smelly hippies or smug smelly yuppies. Either way White.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at December 22, 2021 04:30 PM (sX1BW)

376 Hence...the anger is theater.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:14 PM (LvTSG)

Public reputation still matters - the Dems have crossed the line with Manchin several times now and show no compunction to stop. Yeah, politicians are whores and are used to being called that, just not by your own party and donors. WV still has a democrat party apparatus that runs off DNC coordinated donations. Schumer is dangerously close to blowing this and going down as the stupidest majority leader in Senate history.

Posted by: Boswell at December 22, 2021 04:30 PM (5iUNf)

377 369 >>Yet West Virginia is more ethnically diverse than Vermont

I don't know about that. Vermont has a lot of traditional New England Yankees but as of late is being infested with NY communists.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2021 04:29 PM (ZLI7S)

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I was assured that northeastern communists were moving exclusively to red states with cultures that they find morally reprehensible instead of less dysfunctional blue states that more closely align with their own values.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:30 PM (LvTSG)

378 I was getting gas this morning (FJB) and a guy was pushing his truck into the station. When I saw, I helped. By that miserable bint's logic now I'm responsible for the payments?
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at December 22, 2021 04:28 PM (cupoy)

I don't think the gubmint has truck support playments...yet.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 22, 2021 04:30 PM (eoQWY)

379 can't be racist if you don't have differnt races.
Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 22, 2021 04:19 PM (ZZK0E) Yet West Virginia is more ethnically diverse than Vermont Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at December 22, 2021 04:26 PM (I8FKK)

Well, a previous West Virginia Democratic Senator was an Exalted Cyclops.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 22, 2021 04:30 PM (BMmaB)

380 The leaders want to leverage Machin into voting for their expensive Green bills.

Posted by: Just a side note at December 22, 2021 04:30 PM (H/pb5)

381 330 a 94% white state that has never had black people or racism or money

No Blacks live in WV?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 22, 2021 04:21 PM (KBCaU)


Roughly 9500 in Vermont
Roughly 65000 in West Virginia

So Manchin represents almost 7 times as mean black people as Bernie Sanders

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at December 22, 2021 04:31 PM (I8FKK)

382 Barrister who sued after colleague asked him to stop farting loses case
A senior barrister who sued the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) after a colleague asked him to stop breaking wind in the room they worked in together has lost his case.

Tarique Mohammed sued for harassment and told an employment tribunal that his repetitive flatulence was caused by medication he was on for a heart condition.

He said the comment from his colleague Paul McGorry was "embarrassing" and violated his dignity -- but the panel found it was a reasonable request to have asked him to stop.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at December 22, 2021 04:31 PM (UHVv4)

383 >>Fortunately, he hasn't succumbed to the age-induced cynicism that some of the 29 year olds here have, who are far too young to be so cynical.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 22, 2021 04:19 PM (a3Q+t)

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Exactly - I was thinking "Holy cow - how is this guy so cynical at only 29!?!?" I felt like a donkey later when I realized it was a ruse, but that's fairly common anyway.

Posted by: 496 at December 22, 2021 04:32 PM (VJsqe)

384 But instead, they came after him and his family, so fuck you. War.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at December 22, 2021 04:04 PM (cvNl1)\

I wish. I have a completely different understanding of what "war" means.

Posted by: Ordinary American at December 22, 2021 04:32 PM (H8QX8)

385 Kinda an interesting coincidence that the variants all seem to come outa there first.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 22, 2021 04:26 PM (eoQWY)

They have a crazy strong viral DNA sequencing infrastructure because of HIV. That's why they identify the strains first.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at December 22, 2021 04:32 PM (cupoy)

386 Yet West Virginia is more ethnically diverse than Vermont
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at December 22, 2021 04:26 PM (I8FKK)

that cause Vermont expels them, not that they don't want to go there.


Wow, even Oregon doesn't do that. Well, not any more.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at December 22, 2021 04:32 PM (SchxB)

387 >> fix insulin prices for little Mary whose family can't afford the $1,000/month it costs them now?


obamacare didn't fix that? little mary's family was crying about it back then too.

Posted by: x at December 22, 2021 04:32 PM (oA+QO)

388 Schumer is dangerously close to blowing this and going down as the stupidest majority leader in Senate history. Posted by: Boswell at December 22, 2021 04:30 PM (5iUNf)

Hold my beer.

Posted by: Trent Lott, majority leader when Jim Jeffords switched at December 22, 2021 04:33 PM (BMmaB)

389 376 Public reputation still matters - the Dems have crossed the line with Manchin several times now and show no compunction to stop. Yeah, politicians are whores and are used to being called that, just not by your own party and donors. WV still has a democrat party apparatus that runs off DNC coordinated donations. Schumer is dangerously close to blowing this and going down as the stupidest majority leader in Senate history.
Posted by: Boswell at December 22, 2021 04:30 PM (5iUNf)

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He's an idiot, and I think he botched all of this. I would not put it past him to go too far, but there's such a priority on just holding seats in purple states, like some kind of badge of honor even when it stops making sense considering who's actually your guy there, that I don't think he'll go that far.

Besides, Manchin is probably loving being the target of Schumer's ire in public right now. It's probably doing marvelous things in the minds of his constituents back home. After this, it's going to be damn near impossible to make the accusation that he's a Schumer crony stick by his next Republican opponent.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:33 PM (LvTSG)

390 Obama is in his "home" state of Hawaii, having left his oceanside estate on Martha's Vineyard. I notice he doesn't get back to Chicago too often...
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The slight difference in neighborhoods might have something to do with it.

Posted by: dartist at December 22, 2021 04:33 PM (+ya+t)

391 364 330 316

My point is, it's weird that they think these inchoate Twitter mutterings have any political meaning whatsoever to a Senator from West Virginia.

When they called George Bush a racist because New Orleans is below sea level, that was divisive and acidic but it was effective, because George Bush's was president of a constituency that includes a lot of black people and a lot of people who care about what black people thought of their political opinions. West Virginia has almost no such people.

Posted by: Funkotron at December 22, 2021 04:33 PM (SxNSj)

392 We'll, there USED to be blacks in West Virginia...

Posted by: Robert C. Exalted Cylops Byrd at December 22, 2021 04:33 PM (c0EHG)

393 Maine and NH are beautiful. I'd move there even with the libs . Wish I could stand winter for more than two weeks.

Posted by: Just a side note at December 22, 2021 04:34 PM (H/pb5)

394 >>I was assured that northeastern communists were moving exclusively to red states with cultures that they find morally reprehensible instead of less dysfunctional blue states that more closely align with their own values.

When my folks moved to Vermont I went with my dad one Saturday to the local general store which are not just an anachronism in Vermont, they are the real deal. He introduced himself and me to the store keeper and said " I guess I'm a Vermonter now" or something like that.

The guy just looked at my dad and said "You will never be a Vermonter and neither will your son. If he moves here and has kids their kids might be Vermonters one day". And he wasn't smiling.

And now Bernie is about to be the senior Senator from VT. Times change.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2021 04:34 PM (ZLI7S)

395 But sex with a lady is so much fun.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:18 PM (LvTSG)


**shrugs**

Depends on the lady, I suppose. Never been much fun for me.

**Narrator: It also depends on the man, dumbass**

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 22, 2021 04:34 PM (2JVJo)

396 After this, it's going to be damn near impossible to make the accusation that he's a Schumer crony stick by his next Republican opponent.

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So could be smart politics by Schumer.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at December 22, 2021 04:34 PM (sX1BW)

397 He said the comment from his colleague Paul McGorry was "embarrassing" and violated his dignity -- but the panel found it was a reasonable request to have asked him to stop. Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at December 22, 2021 04:31 PM (UHVv4)

He made the mistake of representing himself and farting up a storm during the hearing.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 22, 2021 04:34 PM (BMmaB)

398 Are we still pretending the GOP wants to fight the deficit?

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at December 22, 2021 04:34 PM (ArmCm)

399 People be crazy.

Posted by: Infidel at December 22, 2021 04:35 PM (qpolg)

400 "Barrister who sued after colleague asked him to stop farting loses case"

Next time you think your office sucks, imagine being in one where a coworker is gassing you all day, then sues you after you complain.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at December 22, 2021 04:35 PM (HmZuC)

401 I don't know about that. Vermont has a lot of traditional New England Yankees but as of late is being infested with NY communists.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2021 04:29 PM (ZLI7S)

Vermont 94.2% white 1.4 black 2.0 Hispanic
WV 93.5% white 3.6 black 1.7 Hispanic

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at December 22, 2021 04:35 PM (I8FKK)

402 396 After this, it's going to be damn near impossible to make the accusation that he's a Schumer crony stick by his next Republican opponent.

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So could be smart politics by Schumer.
Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at December 22, 2021 04:34 PM (sX1BW)

==========

I would say that, except that this whole affair makes him look ineffective at best. He spent six months promising that he could get Manchin's vote on "the most important legislative package in the history of ever ever ever", and he failed.

If all he gets out of that is a political institution in WV keeping his seat, then he sold himself cheap.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:36 PM (LvTSG)

403 The guy just looked at my dad and said "You will never be a Vermonter and neither will your son. If he moves here and has kids their kids might be Vermonters one day". And he wasn't smiling.


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Key part of the Funny Farm plot.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at December 22, 2021 04:36 PM (sX1BW)

404 We need AoSHQ NFT's.
An Ewok, of course.

I'd even bet that we could get somebody like George Alexopoulos to do them for a good price.

And if Ace gets rich, I'm sure he'll pay it forward to the moron horde. Like maybe even putting a functioning toilet in the barrel. I haven't been in a while, but I can only guess that orange home depot 5 gal. bucket is looking pretty bad by now.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 22, 2021 04:36 PM (wAnMi)

405
The guy just looked at my dad and said "You will never be a Vermonter and neither will your son. If he moves here and has kids their kids might be Vermonters one day". And he wasn't smiling.

And now Bernie is about to be the senior Senator from VT. Times change.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2021 04:34 PM (ZLI7S)



Sounds like Vermonters are assholes and I wouldn't want to be one anyway.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 22, 2021 04:36 PM (Zz0t1)

406 I don't think Putin means war. This is flexing, because he knows he'll get away with it. America is irrelevant; you could just go about your business and we'd do nothing, but if you bag on us and threaten us, we'll still do nothing, plus you score points with the home crowd. If you provoke us enough we'll """do""" """something""" and you get the mega-bonus payout of humiliating us militarily, right in front of G-d and everyone.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2021 04:26 PM (hQ23g)

The US and Ukraine have been saber rattling with him since the spring, but their attempt to bully him failed because the Turks wouldn't let our ships in to be provocative. The Russians got their troops on line and so the rhetoric died down, but the Ukraine army has been sitting in ditches in the neutral zone there ever since. Russia has been resisting EU and US blustering, saying that Ukraine needs to abide by the last treaty to discuss peace with the dissident districts and is going to cut off Ukraine from stolen gas charges with Nordstream 2 and the pipeline to Syria.

This treatens bribe money to people like Biden.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 22, 2021 04:36 PM (eoQWY)

407 Put me down with the contingent that says, while ManBallsOnChin MAY have done the right thing in THIS CASE, he is still a disgusting weasel that a party with any self-respect would reject if he tried to join.

Oh, wait: we're talking about the cucked-out GOPe, aren't we?

They'll welcome ManBallsOnChin with open arms, and their wives will welcome him with open legs.

Prediction: if he does become a Republican, he's going to be Fuckstain McCain Jr., always "reaching across the aisle".


Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 22, 2021 04:37 PM (bW8dp)

408 Schumer is dangerously close to blowing this and going down as the stupidest majority leader in Senate history. Posted by: Boswell at December 22, 2021 04:30 PM (5iUNf)

Hold my beer.
Posted by: Trent Lott, majority leader when Jim Jeffords switched

Bitch, please.

Posted by: Tom Daschle at December 22, 2021 04:37 PM (FVME7)

409 >>Vermont 94.2% white 1.4 black 2.0 Hispanic
WV 93.5% white 3.6 black 1.7 Hispanic

Yea, I know. I was kidding. My folks lived in Vermont and I've spent a lot of time there.

Charlie don't surf and LeBron don't ski.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2021 04:37 PM (ZLI7S)

410 >>111 McConnell should let Jim Thune go retire - Manchin is just a squishy Thune with an Appalachian accent anyway, so the War Turtle isn't giving into his arch enemy Trump.

That moves everyone up the chain, leaving room for Manchin...and Thune's seat ain't going Democrat, period.

Posted by: Boswell at December 22, 2021 03:50 PM (5iUNf)


Why would Jon Thune do that when he's the next leader of the Republican Senate Caucus? He's 20 years younger than McConnell, who can't live forever.

Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at December 22, 2021 04:37 PM (EqQ9Z)

411 Would have been perfect if Jackstraw's dad turned to him and said ' see son I told you Vermont was beautiful but the people were assholes' .

Posted by: Just a side note at December 22, 2021 04:38 PM (H/pb5)

412 LeBron don't ski.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2021 04:37 PM (ZLI7S)



Cuz the snow might melt and he'd drown.

Posted by: Just the Punchline at December 22, 2021 04:38 PM (Zz0t1)

413 Why would Jon Thune do that when he's the next leader of the Republican Senate Caucus? He's 20 years younger than McConnell, who can't live forever.

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A Thune loss it the primary would weaken McConnell significantly.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at December 22, 2021 04:38 PM (sX1BW)

414 Would have been perfect if Jackstraw's dad turned to him and said ' see son I told you Vermont was beautiful but the people were assholes' .
Posted by: Just a side note at December 22, 2021 04:38 PM (H/pb5)



This.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 22, 2021 04:38 PM (Zz0t1)

415 3 late work days this week

Posted by: Skip's Phone at December 22, 2021 04:39 PM (cthxA)

416 "This is a well-known budget trick I call the frontload gambit."

Nah, it's the 'out-years' boondoggle. 'Frontloading' is when they dump a garbage truck in front of your business until you smarten up, jagoff.

Posted by: gp Embraces The Suck at December 22, 2021 04:39 PM (qpX6U)

417 > Vermont 94.2% white 1.4 black 2.0 Hispanic
> WV 93.5% white 3.6 black 1.7 Hispanic

Yeah, but the WV white people are coal miners and dirt farmers, while the Vermont white people are the type who went to prep school and use "summer" as a verb.

"We're summering in Vermont this year."

They aren't the same.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 22, 2021 04:40 PM (bW8dp)

418 Again, Randy Moss is from WV!

Posted by: Regular joe relentlessly upping the ante at December 22, 2021 04:40 PM (L9P9s)

419 instagram.com/p/CXMVsEQua8N/
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 22, 2021 04:12 PM (wAnMi)

That doesn't work, either. Can't somebody Archiv it?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 22, 2021 04:40 PM (P3gRi)

420
Oh, woe is me. I can never be a Vermonter.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2021 04:41 PM (hQ23g)

421 Sounds like Vermonters are assholes and I wouldn't want to be one anyway.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 22, 2021 04:36 PM (Zz0t1)

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I'm a Vermonter. The guy who said that was a dick - I've not known anyone who would say that seriously to a stranger. There are jokes about stuff like that, so it must have happened, but I doubt it's ever been common, and is less common now than ever before.

Posted by: 496 at December 22, 2021 04:41 PM (VJsqe)

422 I am amazed at their Iron clad Party discipline.

Mary Cheney laughs at her party.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 22, 2021 04:41 PM (EZebt)

423 >>Sounds like Vermonters are assholes and I wouldn't want to be one anyway.

Not the friendliest to outsiders but at least they are upfront about it. Never had one of them give me the "Well bless your heart" crap.

Yea, we know what it means.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2021 04:41 PM (ZLI7S)

424 Oh, woe is me. I can never be a Vermonter.

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But you can still be an asshole!

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at December 22, 2021 04:41 PM (sX1BW)

425 Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2021 04:41 PM (ZLI7S)

Bless your heart is a retort not an opening salvo.

Posted by: Just a side note at December 22, 2021 04:42 PM (H/pb5)

426 Besides, Manchin is probably loving being the target of Schumer's ire in public right now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 22, 2021 04:33 PM (LvTSG)

Sure, I get that...but no one likes to be called repeatedly a racist white supremacist by your own damn party, plus killing off poor WV people's child credits - it's all a lie and there is a line. And donors and their money matter more than anything in an election year.

So, damaging Manchin's ability, as the most prominent state Dem, to bring in outside left donations to WV state dems running this year, damages Manchin's reputation in the state dem party apparatus...a no-no in politics.

Manchin has a decision - be a total bust in his home state Dem party apparatus, or be a rock star on the Rep side - leading to a possible Governor run when his term is up. He might get all that without switching, but Schumer made it unnecessarily attractive.

Posted by: Boswell at December 22, 2021 04:42 PM (5iUNf)

427 Oh, woe is me. I can never be a Vermonter.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2021 04:41 PM (hQ23g)
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I can't wait to leave this state and move west.

Posted by: 496 at December 22, 2021 04:43 PM (VJsqe)

428
But you can still be an asshole!
Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at December 22, 2021 04:41 PM (sX1BW)

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All this time, I thought I was an asshole in good standing. Maybe even pro-quality. I guess I need to work on it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 22, 2021 04:43 PM (hQ23g)

429 I heard a Vermonter enunciate 'I can't staht my cah.' Cherished memories.

Posted by: gp Embraces The Suck at December 22, 2021 04:43 PM (qpX6U)

430 >>Bless your heart is a retort not an opening salvo.

It's an attitude and a way of life.

You really can't pretend that southerners welcome northerners with open arms. Well you can but nobody believes you.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2021 04:44 PM (ZLI7S)

431 Maybe Scott Adams is coming around about the WuFlu even more now?

Quote Tweet
MotherPatriot$AMC @h_morris3; 4h
MSM at it again. This time the narrative is "Viral Blizzard". Dont fall for it peeps. Watch this snip-it taken from multiple news outlets and tell me its not a coordinated effort.

Scott Adams @ScottAdamsSays; 2h
Watch Dopesick to learn how big pharmacy invents new "conditions" that require more of their products. Then they use an expert to seed the media exactly as you are seeing here. "Viral blizzard" indeed.
https://tinyurl.com/4725tk5n

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at December 22, 2021 04:45 PM (UHVv4)

432 I heard a Vermonter enunciate 'I can't staht my cah.'
.......

Key goes in the ignition, Einstein.

Posted by: wth at December 22, 2021 04:45 PM (v0R5T)

433 Dumbass comment:


kingnutstupid
wow, imagine being transphobic. and, not only transphobic, but blatantly ignoring the fact that some women are built with muscles, contradicting your idea of woman. Do better.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 22, 2021 04:14 PM (Zz0t1)

Well, I put "https" in front of the truncated link, and it worked. Kind of a lame, emo-looking cartoon, but I guess it sends the right message.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 22, 2021 04:45 PM (P3gRi)

434 Why do Democrats always go for the heartstrings of the rube class?

OMG, he's clubbing puppies and biting the heads off of sugar gliders like a typical mean republican!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 22, 2021 04:46 PM (r0ADi)

435 leading to a possible Governor run when his term is up. Posted by: Boswell at December 22, 2021 04:42 PM (5iUNf)

He's been governor before. I knew a guy who was developing a project in WV and said he was incredibly supportive and pro-business.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 22, 2021 04:46 PM (BMmaB)

436 You really can't pretend that southerners welcome northerners with open arms. Well you can but nobody believes you.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2021 04:44 PM (ZLI7S)

They welcomed my NYC family quite well thank you. Anyway I hate regional debates because most of the time they're inaccurate.

Posted by: Just a side note at December 22, 2021 04:46 PM (H/pb5)

437 Why do Democrats always go for the heartstrings of the rube class?
Posted by: Dr. Bone


Because it works?

Posted by: Democrats at December 22, 2021 04:46 PM (P1f+c)

438 "You will never be a Vermonter and neither will your son. If he moves here and has kids their kids might be Vermonters one day".
.......

Here, pull my finger.

Posted by: wth at December 22, 2021 04:46 PM (v0R5T)

439 OT: Dopey Joe has extended the student loan pause to May 1. Due to the moronic variant, allegedly.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 22, 2021 04:47 PM (bW8dp)

440 Nude Kim Foxx

Oh wait, I meant Nood Kim Foxx

Posted by: Dark Helmet at December 22, 2021 04:48 PM (Oka5v)

441 Manchin to Schumer, "Suck my dick. Lick my balls."

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at December 22, 2021 04:48 PM (iDcra)

442 They welcomed my NYC family quite well thank you. Anyway I hate regional debates because most of the time they're inaccurate.
Posted by: Just a side note at December 22, 2021 04:46 PM (H/pb5)


Of course some Yankee would say that.

Posted by: blaster at December 22, 2021 04:49 PM (m96l3)

443 Look at all the ultra liberal judges Manchin is voting for.

Posted by: redridinghood at December 22, 2021 04:50 PM (NpAcC)

444 You really can't pretend that southerners welcome northerners with open arms. Well you can but nobody believes you.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2021 04:44 PM (ZLI7S)

My welcome up here after living in the South for most of my life was anything less than open arms. One guy I met at my first job called me a 'baby killer' after hearing I was a Naval officer and hearing my Southern accent. A recruiter up here looked at my degree from a Southern University and said "What, is this a joke?"

So, Jackstraw, you may have had bad experiences in the South, but that probably makes you no worse off than one else who came up here...

Posted by: Boswell at December 22, 2021 04:52 PM (5iUNf)

445 >>So, Jackstraw, you may have had bad experiences in the South, but that probably makes you no worse off than one else who came up here...


Yea, that's kind of the point of the Vermont thing. The US still has some very deep regional parochialism. It's not exactly a secret.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2021 04:55 PM (ZLI7S)

446 Of course some Yankee would say that.
Posted by: blaster at December 22, 2021 04:49 PM (m96l3)

Hah, to be fair my dad was a likable guy who was career military so may not have been your typical Bull in a China shop New Yorker .

Posted by: Just a side note at December 22, 2021 04:55 PM (H/pb5)

447 Dang. seem to have a banned IP - try #4

Thanks Soothsayer for the new Matrix review. I'd been curious bc of the trailers.

the Matrix freaks have issued a Fatwa: We will "reclaim" "red pill" from the "right wing," they shrieked.
Posted by: Soothsayer


That's fine. I've objected for years that Red | Blue needed to be switched (back). Commie Red vs. True-Blue. ♪ One pill keeps you stupid and one pill make you wise...

Did a poster back in 2013 - Blue
http://mindfulwebworks.com/radical/blue
CafePress refused to let me make for-sale prints or other merch of this.

Posted by: mindful webworker - red-white-and-blue-blooded at December 22, 2021 04:55 PM (rul/S)

448 447 That's fine. I've objected for years that Red | Blue needed to be switched (back). Commie Red vs. True-Blue.

the way i remember it, and my brain cells are getting old, blue was the incumbent and red the challenger. they changed it when they didn't want to use red for bill clinton.

Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at December 22, 2021 05:21 PM (sGtp+)

449 It was that Red was challenger and Blue was incumbent Party. Thus Bush was Red and Gore was Blue in 2000

But people started talking about "Red States" vs "Blue States", so in 2004 the press had an excuse to keep the colors unchanged

Posted by: Greg The Class Traitor at December 22, 2021 05:28 PM (he/dn)

450 After hearing Manchin on Fox giving the thumbs down on the BBB I thought GREAT then later I thought I hope he is as strong as I want him to be, because, they will come after him.

Posted by: sidney at December 22, 2021 06:34 PM (7/kmB)

451 If this is the reaction when trillions were to be added to the debt through BBB what will happen after '22 and '24 if some fiscal sanity is attempted? Joe Manchin and a few Rinos are not the problem that has caused JJS to rant about the big government trend since 1913. The problem is a split electorate that is able to vote for other (future) people's money. The only way to change that split is to reach out to the underclass with policies that help them such as vouchers. Anything else is just playing politics to rile up the base.

Posted by: Larry Dressler at December 22, 2021 06:45 PM (W0MsY)

452 One of Americas worst enemies is the Democrat Party

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at December 23, 2021 03:03 AM (FLiOE)

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