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Saturday Evening Movie Thread [Moviegique]
When I was a boy, the greatest of the secular holidays--if you'll forgive the oxymoron--was Thanksgiving. It sat defiantly on a Thursday and, fortified by the mythology of America, simultaneously closed the stores and clogged the airports and the bus stations. Gourmandizing aside, it was--and still is--a holiday that defied commercialization because its elemental substance was gratitude. So it is perhaps unsurprising that, encroached on one side by the increasingly commercialized Christmas and on the other by a Halloween metastasized from ever -expanding childhoods, Thanksgiving has not been a font of pop culture. Or, as Loudon Wainwright III put it:
Suddenly, it's Christmas right after Halloween(Wainwright's thoughts on Thanksgiving can be found here.) Up until a few years ago, when John Hughes' Planes, Trains and Automobiles emerged from the cinematic soup of the '80s as a modern Thanksgiving classic (and setting aside the second best Peanuts special), the film I most associated with Thanksgiving was The Best Years of Our Lives. So ingrained was this in my head, I was rather surprised on a recent viewing to discover Thanksgiving makes no appearance in the film whatsoever--though it was released one week before Thanksgiving in 1946. No Thanksgiving, but a whole lot of giving thanks.
Forget about Thanksgiving, it's just a buffet in-between
Hoagy Carmichael in the back, and from left-to-right: Harold Russell, Teresa Wright, Dana Andrews, Myrna Loy, Frederic MarchDirected by William Wyler from a screenplay by Robert Sherwood (Rebecca, The Bishop's Wife) from a novella/poem by MacKinlay Kantor (who also wrote the book Follow Me, Boys! was based on), it would be the top grossing film of the decade and win seven regular Academy Awards, including Best Director, Best Screenplay and both Best Actor Oscars, and two special Oscars.
Our story begins with three servicemen returning from the war: An Army sergeant (Frederic March), a Navy Petty Officer (Harold Russell) and an Air Force bombardier (Dana Andrews) who share an uncomfortable 16-hour plane flight to get to the fictional town of Boone City where each discovers that while the town hasn't changed, they and their relationship to it has. There's nothing more American than the fact that their status in the military service has nothing to do with their non-military lives (cf. "I've Got My Captain Working For Me Now"). Sergeant Al (March) was a wealthy banker, Petty Officer Homer (Russell) was a solidly middle class high-school sports star, and the highest status among them, Bombardier Fred (Andrews) was a soda-jerk from the wrong side of the tracks.
(insert inappropriate joke about "getting over Macho Grande" here)
Getting a piano lesson from Hoagy while Andrews (way in the back) is doing the right thing. (Look at that blocking!)
"There oughtta be a law against any man who doesn't want to marry Myrna Loy." -- Jimmy StewartComments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 07:56 PM (asXVI)
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 27, 2021 07:58 PM (rz+/y)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 07:59 PM (L2ZTs)
I'm reading Beowulf right now. What would you say is the best movie version of the story?
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:01 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 08:01 PM (2JoB8)
Then a few years later National Lampoon Radio had a bit about a charity that sought to "get that drunken Dana Andrews off our roads".
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 27, 2021 08:02 PM (rz+/y)
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 07:56 PM (asXVI)
Yeah, I agree on that useless piece of crap, Patton Oswalt.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:03 PM (csEWM)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:03 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:01 PM (L2ZTs)
13th Warrior. Awesome film.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:03 PM (csEWM)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:04 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at November 27, 2021 08:04 PM (cupoy)
Is there a good version of Beowulf? There's a Russian(?) animated version from the '90s I haven't seen. And the "13th Warrior" isn't as bad as it's made out to be, though it's odd.
I can't judge the Zemeckis' one: Too uncanny valley.
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:05 PM (asXVI)
Yeah, Thanksgiving managed to stave off shallow commercialism the best out of all the major holidays.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 08:05 PM (0EcY/)
Now to read the content more carefully.
Blutarski, I think, think, you recommended The Trip a week or so back. Maybe it was not you. Thank you. That was interesting and excellent. Really my style.
If you have not seen Headhunters, it has the same male lead as from The Trip. And I think it is one of my top ten movies.
Posted by: MikeM at November 27, 2021 08:05 PM (QMG4P)
Yeah, Zemeckis is unfortunately too in love with CGI.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:06 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 08:06 PM (2JoB8)
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:05 PM (asXVI)
Was that the one with Angelina Jolie? I saw that one... thought it was horrible.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:06 PM (csEWM)
Why? Did Jim Wynorski die?
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:06 PM (asXVI)
The next morning I found the Kentucky Fried Movie parody of it and showed it to him. He liked that better than Bruce Lee.
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 27, 2021 08:06 PM (rz+/y)
Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 08:06 PM (2JoB
What did you get?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:06 PM (csEWM)
Posted by: Cow Demon - The Spice Must Flow at November 27, 2021 08:06 PM (CdZ4i)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:07 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Creek at November 27, 2021 08:07 PM (29OXW)
When we were kids, we drew "Hand Turkeys."
Can't get more basic than that.
Thanksgiving was always a glorified supper. Pop Culture had a hard time sinking its Madison Avenue claws into it.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 08:07 PM (0EcY/)
Posted by: FriscoYoda at November 27, 2021 08:07 PM (+56GQ)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:07 PM (csEWM)
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here
After the loss of DeMille, the genre was doomed.
Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 08:07 PM (r1z5A)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:01 PM (L2ZTs)
13th Warrior. Awesome film.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:03 PM (csEWM)
EATERS OF THE DEAD
Posted by: Cow Demon - The Spice Must Flow at November 27, 2021 08:07 PM (CdZ4i)
Aetius -- "Was that the one with Angelina Jolie? I saw that one... thought it was horrible."
Yeah, and they spent a lot of time on Jolie's CGI, IIRC, but it doesn't matter to me: Any time I get that "we're trying to fool you" vibe, that's all I'm seeing.
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:08 PM (asXVI)
Posted by: JT at November 27, 2021 08:08 PM (arJlL)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 08:08 PM (evAgx)
Posted by: Cow Demon - The Spice Must Flow at November 27, 2021 08:07 PM (CdZ4i)
The skein of your life was woven long ago. Go hide in a hole if you wish- you won't live a second longer.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:09 PM (csEWM)
Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 08:09 PM (2JoB8)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:01 PM (L2ZTs)
13th Warrior. Awesome film.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:03 PM (csEWM)
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I thought 13th Warrior was based on Crichton's Eaters of the Dead (which itself is supposed to be the "real events" that were the origin of the Beowulf story).
Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 27, 2021 08:09 PM (CAJOC)
Posted by: Lizzy at November 27, 2021 08:09 PM (bDqIh)
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:08 PM (asXVI)
The problem with the heavy graphic movies that are supposed to be revolutionary is that they put so much focus on the visuals that the character, story and dialogue all usually get shortchanged (Hello, Avatar.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:10 PM (csEWM)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at November 27, 2021 08:10 PM (Dc2NZ)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 08:10 PM (0EcY/)
Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 08:10 PM (2JoB8)
Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 27, 2021 08:09 PM (CAJOC)
It is. Still the best version of Beowulf I have seen.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:10 PM (csEWM)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a headache at November 27, 2021 08:11 PM (OYUie)
No, the writer. The director of "Rebecca" was Alfred Hitchcock. It won best picture.
||Who was the guy who did all the softcore action films on showtime and cinemax.... andy sidaris?
Yeah, he was the king of the genre. His movies don't make a lick of sense but feature lots of explosions, gadgets, end-of-career actors (like Pat Morita and Erik Estrada), and scads of Playmates :tm:.
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:11 PM (asXVI)
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This guy knows his stuff! Great movie but tough to watch for me.
Posted by: dartist at November 27, 2021 08:11 PM (+ya+t)
When's the last time Hollywood produced a bona fide holiday "classic?"
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 08:10 PM (0EcY/)
Passion of the Christ? I also heard Risen is good.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:12 PM (csEWM)
Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 08:12 PM (r1z5A)
Posted by: JT at November 27, 2021 08:12 PM (arJlL)
Posted by: qdpsteve
There was bad version on Syfy. Low budget and I'm not sure it was particularly loyal to the text.
There was another starring I think Gerard Butler that I liked. The monster was less a monster than a human that was just a genetic outlier. Very tall with more body hair. It was filmed I think in Iceland. Barren and windswept. Set a good mood.
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 27, 2021 08:12 PM (rz+/y)
Posted by: Tuna at November 27, 2021 08:12 PM (gLRfa)
Finally!
Myrna Loy shows up on AoS.
I've been guessing "Myrna Loy" for Oregon Muse's "Who Dis?" for the last 2 years.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- "f*ck around and find out" at November 27, 2021 08:12 PM (0EcY/)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:12 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 27, 2021 08:09 PM (CAJOC)
It is. Still the best version of Beowulf I have seen.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:10 PM (csEWM)
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I really liked how they showed Antonio Banderas's character slowly learning the language.
Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 27, 2021 08:13 PM (CAJOC)
To me the star of Bogart's Sahara is the old M3 Lee tank they have. That was America's main battle tank when WW2 began, but it was replaced by the Sherman quickly, and as far as I know that's the only film that ever featured one. Most people have forgotten that it ever existed.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 08:13 PM (evAgx)
Actually, that reminds me: Next time is the 18th of December and I thought I'd do another round-up of lesser known Christmas movies.
Suggestions welcome!
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:13 PM (asXVI)
I miss what TCM used to be. I cancelled them. They have gone to pot.
Posted by: Infidel at November 27, 2021 08:14 PM (LZkdC)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 08:14 PM (0EcY/)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a headache at November 27, 2021 08:14 PM (OYUie)
Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 27, 2021 08:13 PM (CAJOC)
I liked how they portrayed the vikings. First part of the movie, they are shown as drunken, rough louts. The 'second' they land where they are going they put their game faces on. They start picking out details about the situation as they ride into the village and Banderas' character is like 'wha?'
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:15 PM (csEWM)
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:15 PM (iXJM1)
Just finished watching Terry Gilliam's "Masterpiece" Brazil. Thought I had seen it years ago and liked it but turns out I hadn't. Very underwhelmed by the movie. I just had the sudden thought that Gattaca is a much better version of what Gilliam was trying to accomplish than Brazil, which is weird because Gilliam didn't direct Gattaca. Which now makes me want to re-watch Gattaca.
Just for shits and giggles I watched The Big Hit last night with Marky Mark, Lou D. Phillips, Christina Applegate and Elliott Gould. I never fail to howl at that movie.
Maybe I am a philistine who doesn't appreciate fine art.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 08:15 PM (M8yB3)
Posted by: JuJuBee at November 27, 2021 08:15 PM (mNhhD)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a headache at November 27, 2021 08:14 PM (OYUie)
'Have you tried staples?' is a good line.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:15 PM (csEWM)
Suggestions welcome!
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:13 PM (asXVI)
Red is a Christmas movie. I mean, at least, it takes place during Christmas.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 27, 2021 08:16 PM (P9T5R)
Posted by: Tuna at November 27, 2021 08:16 PM (gLRfa)
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:16 PM (iXJM1)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a headache
No. Murry acts like he did it because of blackmail...and it just tries too hard.
Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 08:17 PM (r1z5A)
Posted by: Creek at November 27, 2021 08:17 PM (29OXW)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 08:17 PM (evAgx)
Suggestions welcome!
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:13 PM (asXVI)
well, there are two I always favor - Christmas in Connecticut and...The Sea (Directed by Baltasar Kormakur).
Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 08:17 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 08:15 PM (M8yB3)
No the Big Hit was hilarious. Lou Diamond was the best.
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:18 PM (iXJM1)
Posted by: vin at November 27, 2021 08:18 PM (Z1u3S)
Posted by: Infidel at November 27, 2021 08:18 PM (LZkdC)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a headache at November 27, 2021 08:18 PM (OYUie)
I've never watched Scrooged. Is it a good adaptation?
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
I didn't like it. A bit too modern. So modern, the "spirit" of the Christmas Carol wasn't realized.
Last I heard, "comedian" Kevin Hart was set to be in a remake of Scrooged. Pass.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 08:18 PM (0EcY/)
You're absolutely right: The only "serious" holiday movies anymore deal with dysfunction and how bad Western civilizaton is.
The great movies of the past--routinely derided in the Boomer generation for being schmaltzy--tackled really hard subjects ("It's A Wonderful Life," anyone?) but inclined toward a heroic take: Keep on going, keep the faith, be grateful, be helpful, etc.
In the past 50 years it's all "look out for #1", "dog-eat-dog", "it's okay because the other guy's a bastard." Or it's a straight-up fantasy of the kind the Golden Age movies were accused of being.
They literally =can't= make a good drama any more, and it's getting to where they can't make a good movie, period.
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:18 PM (asXVI)
I would disagree that this is an "excess of decency." Try to imagine yourself in his shoes. You have an awful disability. Your girlfriend fell in love with you before you had this disability. You don't want to marry someone who feels obligated to marry you just because they had promised to before these new circumstances came about. You want to be sure they know how difficult life will be when dealing with the situation before they make the final commitment to share your life with you.
Inside, you secretly hope and pray that the girl says she understands how tough it will be and yet still wants to be with you. But you want to give her that out because your biggest fear is that some day after you're married, she says something like, "I didn't really want to marry you anyway, I only married you out of pity."
I know, because I've been in a similar situation. Any half-way decent man would do the same thing. (Even a quarter-decent one like me.)
Posted by: Rusty Trawler at November 27, 2021 08:18 PM (1gif2)
Posted by: Infidel at November 27, 2021 08:19 PM (LZkdC)
Posted by: All-American Kestrel at November 27, 2021 08:19 PM (IDhUW)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at November 27, 2021 08:19 PM (Dc2NZ)
Posted by: exdem13 at November 27, 2021 08:19 PM (W+kMI)
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
Well, there is lots of snow. The elves are Bolsheviks though. That's a bummer.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 27, 2021 08:20 PM (sAmhv)
https://archive.org/details/tbyool435345435110
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:20 PM (asXVI)
Posted by: davidt at November 27, 2021 08:20 PM (0hbQ6)
Posted by: f'd at November 27, 2021 08:20 PM (Tnijr)
Posted by: All-American Kestrel at November 27, 2021 08:20 PM (IDhUW)
*lightly taps skull*
Maybe time to give movies a rest until I'm in a better mood and relax and read some of the 400 titles I have on my Kindle.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 08:20 PM (M8yB3)
Posted by: f'd
In a weird way, so is Donovan's Reef starring the Duke.
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 27, 2021 08:21 PM (rz+/y)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:21 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: f'd at November 27, 2021 08:20 PM (Tnijr)
I liked the part where Santa was eating the hearts of the vanquished Martians.
Saint Nick was hardcore.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a headache at November 27, 2021 08:21 PM (OYUie)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:03 PM (csEWM)
The Viking's communal drinking bowl in the movie kind of turned me off a bit.
Posted by: Javems at November 27, 2021 08:22 PM (NM16+)
His career went south, to Mexico. He acted in the soap operas down there (or whatever they are called).
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 27, 2021 08:22 PM (sAmhv)
Posted by: Aetius451AD
Whoa. I just started reading the Tolkien translation of Beowulf late last night (3 a.m. insomnia). Perhaps I should watch The 13th Warrior before jumping back into the read.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 08:22 PM (M8yB3)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at November 27, 2021 08:22 PM (Dc2NZ)
Ugh. That movie about put me to sleep.
Posted by: Cow Demon - The Spice Must Flow at November 27, 2021 08:06 PM (CdZ4i)
Wow CD, that's unfortunate.
There are a number of good performances: Mrs Danvers became the archetype of the evil housekeeper.
George Sanders was his unctuous best here as well, only topped by his star turn in "All about Eve".
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 08:22 PM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here
After the loss of DeMille, the genre was doomed.
Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 08:07 PM (r1z5A)
And no modern Snow Ski Sex Comedies either. Shit, could write that script myself... 62 year old guy, divorced, Colorado, trying to recapture both his youth, and romance.
Oh, wait... that's my dream Vacation this winter...
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 27, 2021 08:23 PM (oHd/0)
Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 08:23 PM (r1z5A)
Posted by: exdem13 at November 27, 2021 08:19 PM (W+kMI)
I don't even think it's really a "happy" ending; it's just that Dana Andrews' character comes to grips with the fact that the War is over, his old life as a Captain is gone with it, and he's got to go on living however he can.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 08:23 PM (evAgx)
It's the scene where George buys a lot of newspapers because Harry is on the front page for being a hero in WW2. When he shows the paper to Bert and Ernie headline reads
HARRY BAILEY WINS CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF HONOR
All I can think of is the morons at aos having a fit at the wording.
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:23 PM (iXJM1)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a headache at November 27, 2021 08:23 PM (OYUie)
Posted by: Tuna at November 27, 2021 08:23 PM (gLRfa)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 27, 2021 08:23 PM (C1Lsn)
Teresa Wright. She plays the daughter, although she's 28 and Loy is 41, I believe. She does a good 19-20yo, though. Andrews, OTOH, at 30-something is a little old for his role. But it all works.
||I've never watched Scrooged. Is it a good adaptation?
It was right on the cusp of when Murray was going from "irredeemable jerk" and "jerk who could be redeemed", and he doesn't pull it off as well here as he does later. Whether you like it, though, probably depends a lot on how much you enjoy Mr. Mike ("here's my impression of Elvis getting hot needles stabbed into his eyes") Donoghue's humor.
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:24 PM (asXVI)
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 27, 2021 08:22 PM (sAmhv)
Telenovela?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:24 PM (csEWM)
Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 08:24 PM (V13WU)
I went to the high seas to pirate bay for Ghostbusters Afterlife just to see the end. I was curious to see the reunion of the Ghostbusters. (They literally show up out of nowhere. Way to go, film.)
Maybe I missed something from not watching the whole movie, but Bill Murray was terrible. He delivered a corny cameo reminiscent of an old SNL skit. Dan Akroyd is a bad actor, too. Ernie Hudson was good, though.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 08:25 PM (0EcY/)
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Another WWII movie based on a novella/poem is Beach Red about Marines invading a Japanese occupied island.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beach_Red
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 27, 2021 08:25 PM (FVME7)
(Seems like it was playing everywhere at Christmastime 1983, when it premiered.)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:25 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: davidt at November 27, 2021 08:26 PM (0hbQ6)
Now to read the content more carefully.
Blutarski, I think, think, you recommended The Trip a week or so back. Maybe it was not you. Thank you. That was interesting and excellent. Really my style.
Posted by: MikeM
Sahara is one I've been meaning to revisit for years.
Is The Trip the one about a married couple who go on vacation planning to murder each other and something something hijinks interrupt their plans? Where did you watch that?
Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 08:26 PM (M8yB3)
I guess there is a movie This is Us, but i haven't seen it so I don't know if they were spoofing that a bit.
Posted by: All-American Kestrel at November 27, 2021 08:27 PM (IDhUW)
Posted by: MikeM
I'm so glad you liked it!
Not a Christmas movie, though.
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 27, 2021 08:27 PM (rz+/y)
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 27, 2021 08:27 PM (DTX3h)
Posted by: SMOD at November 27, 2021 08:28 PM (X5CsJ)
The Bear Who Slept Through Christmas
The Tiny Tree
The Flinstones (not their Christmas Carol one, but the one where Fred becomes Santa Claus)
Fat Albert.
Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 27, 2021 08:28 PM (CAJOC)
||The part that stayed with me in The Best Years of Our Lives was the fight in the department store over the necessity of the war. Sounded like Pat Buchanan.
I actually didn't disagree with anything that guy said, except for the implication that we should have fought on the Nazi side.
Juju--
|| Dana Andrews was an actor's actor. It took me a long time to appreciate him, he's so low key.
Me, too! He actually had a pretty good range, e.g. between this and "The Ox-Bow Incident". I think ends up hard-boiled in a lot of his roles, a la "Laura".
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:28 PM (asXVI)
I love TBYoOL. . Thanks for highlighting the movie this week.
You might take a run at "Mr. Blanding's Dream House".
Who doesn't love them some Cary Grant, and Myrna Loy.
My "ex" handed out CD's of the movie to her kitchen and bath design clients, just to get them into the home renovation mood.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 08:28 PM (BgMrQ)
.....
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 08:25 PM (0EcY/)
Spoiler! REEEE!!!
...not really, the preview teases this.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 27, 2021 08:29 PM (llON8)
"Trapped in Paradise"
"The Ref" (yeah, it has the 'poke the normie' sensibility, but for some reason I like this one)
Posted by: Lizzy at November 27, 2021 08:29 PM (bDqIh)
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:29 PM (iXJM1)
Loved TBDoOL as it always reminded me of a few guys I worked with immediately after HS in a cement plant in a very small town. It was years later that I realized some of the town gals reflected the women in the film also.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 27, 2021 08:29 PM (mD/uy)
Posted by: JuJuBee at November 27, 2021 08:29 PM (mNhhD)
Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 08:30 PM (2JoB8)
*lightly taps skull*
Maybe time to give movies a rest until I'm in a better mood and relax and read some of the 400 titles I have on my Kindle.
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Ive wondered about watching this. Sometimes the iconic isn't all that great.
Posted by: All-American Kestrel at November 27, 2021 08:30 PM (IDhUW)
Posted by: f'd
Isn't that Stalag 17, with the esteemed JJ Sefton, or did I miss a few prequels?
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at November 27, 2021 08:30 PM (sIxXb)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 08:30 PM (evAgx)
The point of A Christmas Carol was the reader/viewer felt a soul was saved at the end. You don't feel like that at the end of Scrooged.
You're like, okay, Bill Murray is not a piece of crap, anymore. Yay.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- "fuck around and find out" at November 27, 2021 08:30 PM (0EcY/)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:01 PM (L2ZTs)
13th Warrior. Awesome film.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:03 PM (csEWM)
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I thought 13th Warrior was based on Crichton's Eaters of the Dead (which itself is supposed to be the "real events" that were the origin of the Beowulf story).
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There were three Beowulf movies put out within a few years of each other in the Oughts. They all sucked. If you want something authentically Anglo-Saxon/Norse go to Amazon Video and watch Troll Hunter and Draugr. However, I will also echo {i]The Thirteenth Warrior as a decent adaptation of Crichton's novel. Crichton did an early attempt to investigate the historical origins of a historic legend poem that is still read today. He used the authentic chronicle of the Arab protagonist as a starting point, using him as the outsider looking in on the situation for our POV. Then elements from Teutonic-Anglo-Norse legend were added in, with an emphasis on the Beowulf poem, with a little prehistory for "facts".
Posted by: exdem13 at November 27, 2021 08:30 PM (W+kMI)
Posted by: Infidel at November 27, 2021 08:31 PM (LZkdC)
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 27, 2021 08:22 PM (sAmhv)
Telenovela?
Posted by: Aetius451AD
I think that's it.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 27, 2021 08:31 PM (sAmhv)
Posted by: Rusty Trawler at November 27, 2021 08:18 PM (1gif2)
Rusty! Sorry, yeah, I totally get it, and I was being rather glib there. He's got a lot going on and it's really clear why--and the quiet-but-heart-rending performance from Cathy O'Donnell creates that kind of emotional tension about how SHE feels.
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:31 PM (asXVI)
Any other Christmas movie > A Christmas Story
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:29 PM (iXJM1)
***pulls out a chair for JASN***
Come sit by me!
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 08:31 PM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 08:13 PM (evAgx)
My Dad went into, and across, North Africa in an M-3. He lost two tanks, one to a mine and one at Kasserine Pass. Got a Sherman when they invaded Italy at Salerno.
Posted by: Javems at November 27, 2021 08:31 PM (NM16+)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a headache
I thought more May Day.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 27, 2021 08:31 PM (FVME7)
Posted by: SFGoth at November 27, 2021 08:32 PM (KAi1n)
Who doesn't love them some Cary Grant, and Myrna Loy.
If you are ever seized with the urge to do a big remodel, watch that, and then watch "The Money Pit."
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 08:32 PM (evAgx)
Posted by: Just a side note
At dawn sir! The ground is chosen, now as to weapons...
Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 08:32 PM (r1z5A)
Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 08:32 PM (2JoB8)
Posted by: Infidel
I watched it recently for free on YouTube, I thought it held up well.
Posted by: davidt at November 27, 2021 08:32 PM (0hbQ6)
No, the writer. The director of "Rebecca" was Alfred Hitchcock. It won best picture. (I can't believe I forgot that detail.)
Later that summer I saw North by Northwest. They were seriously on a Hitchcock kick that summer.
And both Rebecca and North by Northwest sucked. MUCH better Hitchcock movies than that.
Posted by: Cow Demon - The Spice Must Flow at November 27, 2021 08:32 PM (CdZ4i)
Any other Christmas movie > A Christmas Story
Posted by: Just a side note
Perhaps - but . . . . Today I was looking for a right sized cardboard box in the basement and the one I grabbed had a "Fragile" sticker on it's side.
Guess what I instantly thought of?
Posted by: Tonypete at November 27, 2021 08:32 PM (mD/uy)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:33 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings "
I stand corrected. 13 was Hogans Heros. I claim uh, covid brain.
Posted by: f'd at November 27, 2021 08:34 PM (Tnijr)
Any other Christmas movie > A Christmas Story
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:29 PM (iXJM1)
***pulls out a chair for JASN***
Come sit by me!
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 08:31 PM (BgMrQ)
Hey, can I hang out with y'all? I've got Kirkland eggnog!
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 27, 2021 08:34 PM (DTX3h)
Posted by: exdem13 at November 27, 2021 08:30 PM (W+kMI)
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Trollhunter was on Netflix for a while (might still be there). I highly recommend it.
Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 27, 2021 08:34 PM (CAJOC)
Posted by: Skip
Are there some new titles you can recommend? I keep seeing the same movie about 28 infantrymen holding off the Germans at their furthest advance just being retitled.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 08:34 PM (M8yB3)
Posted by: Infidel at November 27, 2021 08:31 PM (LZkdC)
I've only watched it over two dozen times so I'm a little biased on whether it holds up.
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:34 PM (iXJM1)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 08:32 PM (evAgx)
My "ex" wanted them TO DO THE PROJECT...not run away in horror...lol.
She had thought of it but decided against it.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 08:34 PM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 27, 2021 08:34 PM (rz+/y)
When I took a gal (very rare date) to Young Frankenstein, and belatedly discovered it was all in B&W, I walked out, demanded my money back (denied, the pricks); a victim of the artsy-fartsy B&W cult.
I will not watch a B&W flick. It's... personal.
Evening, y'all.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 27, 2021 08:34 PM (F0YaR)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 27, 2021 08:31 PM (FVME7)
Da, Comrade Wrecks!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at November 27, 2021 08:35 PM (hOUT3)
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings
Wasn't going to say anything...rivalry weekend, alcohol, honest mistake.
Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 08:35 PM (r1z5A)
Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 08:35 PM (2JoB8)
Posted by: Sharkman
Yes, that is the one. It is on NetFlix.
Posted by: MikeM at November 27, 2021 08:36 PM (QMG4P)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:36 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 08:36 PM (KZzsI)
I actually didn't disagree with anything that guy said, except for the implication that we should have fought on the Nazi side.
Pat Buchanan's book - I believe the title is Churchill's Unnecessary War" (?) - deserves to be used as toilet paper. He calls Stalin a genius politician in there. Yeah, you'd be a genius politician too if you could simply kill your opposition. (Further cementing my image of Buchanan as being a blithering idiot.)
Posted by: Cow Demon - The Spice Must Flow at November 27, 2021 08:36 PM (CdZ4i)
Any other Christmas movie > A Christmas Story
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:29 PM (iXJM1)
***pulls out a chair for JASN***
Come sit by me!
Posted by: browndog
*pulls out a folding chair*
*launches off the top turnbuckle*
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at November 27, 2021 08:36 PM (sIxXb)
Posted by: Infidel at November 27, 2021 08:37 PM (LZkdC)
Hint: yes
Its one of Survivorman's favorite movies
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 08:37 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings "
They could have done without the Christmas party dance . Sorry, GIs may have jitterbugged or done something similar with each other as fun but slow dancing was out of the question.
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:37 PM (iXJM1)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 27, 2021 08:38 PM (FVME7)
*launches off the top turnbuckle*
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at November 27, 2021 08:36 PM (sIxXb)
***rolls to the side, tags Bobo Brazil***
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 08:39 PM (BgMrQ)
||Another suggestion" The Bishop's Wife" Loretta Young, Cary Grant, David Niven||
Covered it last Christmas!
||You might take a run at "Mr. Blanding's Dream House". Who doesn't love them some Cary Grant, and Myrna Loy.||
One of my all-time favorites. I think I even covered on the Saturday Evening Movie Thread three years ago. "Blandings" for me is kind of an eye-opener.
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:39 PM (asXVI)
Posted by: Aetius451AD
Whoa. I just started reading the Tolkien translation of Beowulf late last night (3 a.m. insomnia). Perhaps I should watch The 13th Warrior before jumping back into the read.
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A new edition came out last year, but I'm sure the Professor would be pleased that you were reading his version. I own the Seamus Haney version, and it works for me. Keep on reading anyway; Beowulf's story is his own, and the movie sort of follows the novel which sort of follows the framework of the epic poem. Bonus points if you recognize the old story beats though.
The real follow-up is Tolkien's essay "Beowulf: The Monsters and the Critics", which pretty much changed the way scholars addressed the work. Posted by: exdem13 at November 27, 2021 08:39 PM (W+kMI)
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly
Aliens on TCM!!?? I saw it at the theater...like two years ago...(checks year, oh shit)
Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 08:39 PM (r1z5A)
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Candygram for Mr. Trotsky!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 27, 2021 08:40 PM (FVME7)
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:39 PM (asXVI)
My memory ain't what it used to be. Do you have a link perchance???
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 08:40 PM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at November 27, 2021 08:41 PM (Dc2NZ)
Posted by: Infidel
I watched it again last year and still liked it a lot and I don't even like Robert Redford. The Canadian Rockies were beautiful. The side characters were awesome and the mediocrity that is Bob Redford was solved by giving him like one paragraph of lines. He didn't say much in the movie. I thought Bronson would have been better in that role.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 27, 2021 08:41 PM (sAmhv)
Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 08:41 PM (2JoB8)
And if you like 1950s monster movies, It! the Terror from Beyond Space still holds up nicely (if you can disregard the likely effects of some of the weapons they're firing off inside the ship).
Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 27, 2021 08:41 PM (JzDjf)
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:41 PM (iXJM1)
Posted by: SFGoth at November 27, 2021 08:41 PM (KAi1n)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:41 PM (csEWM)
Posted by: JuJuBee at November 27, 2021 08:42 PM (mNhhD)
Posted by: Sharkman
Yes, that is the one.
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Sounds funny. Reminds me of not wanting fiction to be to like realism. Sometimes we want an escape from reality.
Posted by: All-American Kestrel at November 27, 2021 08:42 PM (IDhUW)
Myrna Loy so often played the perfect wife. She commented that in real life she wasn't. Married several times although her last marriage lasted many years. A beautiful woman. The first Thin Man movie in particular. She was stunning.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 27, 2021 08:42 PM (2NHgQ)
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The British used a bunch of them, too, though they were slightly different (and referred to as "Grants") from the final version that the US used during Operation Torch. When they were first introduced, the gun in the turret was a pop-gun. The one in the hull was nicer, but still not all that great due to the limited traverse and range. But the armor was something else at the time. The Gazela campaign opened with pretty much the entirety of the Afrika Korps panzers stumbling upon a squadron of nine Grant tanks. And the armor on the things was tough enough that some of the British tanks actually managed to successfully withdraw after fifteen minutes of combat.
Posted by: junior at November 27, 2021 08:42 PM (PTw5h)
..
Ahem.
What are you now?
Posted by: I mean at November 27, 2021 08:43 PM (Z0UZu)
Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 08:43 PM (2JoB8)
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:43 PM (iXJM1)
Yes!
Posted by: Lizzy at November 27, 2021 08:43 PM (bDqIh)
Posted by: Infidel at November 27, 2021 08:44 PM (LZkdC)
Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 08:44 PM (2JoB8)
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:43 PM (iXJM1)
Eh, interesting Idea. I like Jim Caviezel. Thought it just kind of missed the mark. Missing something.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:44 PM (csEWM)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:41 PM (csEWM)
I'd put him at #2 behind Mao.
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:45 PM (iXJM1)
|| He becomes a hopeless drunk that everyone has to cover for. ||
No, no! At the end of the movie, he's drinking punch, un-spiked. And you can tell he's reforming, they just don't bang on that theme.
CD--
||He calls Stalin a genius politician in there. Yeah, you'd be a genius politician too if you could simply kill your opposition. (Further cementing my image of Buchanan as being a blithering idiot.)||
Holy Cow (Demon)! That sounds...I can't even.
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:45 PM (asXVI)
Posted by: Aetius451AD
His mass charges were the stuff of military legend.
Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 08:45 PM (r1z5A)
Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 08:45 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 08:46 PM (KZzsI)
It is made in Finnish, and you know they know Santa and the north pole . . . And reindeer . . . And explosives.
https://youtu.be/9RQlikX4vvw
Posted by: Kindltot at November 27, 2021 08:46 PM (P9T5R)
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Called them a coffin for seven brothers, iirc.
Of course, they were using T-34s. And everything (and I do mean *everything*) else available at the time was crap in comparison.
Posted by: junior at November 27, 2021 08:47 PM (PTw5h)
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:45 PM (iXJM1)
Hard to choose, and I do not know as much about the Chinese Civil war as I do early Soviet history, but I do not think Mao had quite as many allies that he shot in the back of the head on his way to consolidating power. Sure, as far as liquidating the proles, Mao takes the tiara.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:47 PM (csEWM)
*launches off the top turnbuckle*
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at November 27, 2021 08:36 PM (sIxXb)
***rolls to the side, tags Bobo Brazil***
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*Sits in corner, watches cautiously. Keep that on your side of the room. I'm not going to engage in drama over a movie I haven't seen.*
Your "interaction" is probably more entertaining than the movie anyway
Posted by: All-American Kestrel at November 27, 2021 08:47 PM (IDhUW)
Remember the Night (1940) with Fred MacMurray and Barbara Stanwyck.
Posted by: JuJuBee at November 27, 2021 08:47 PM (mNhhD)
Posted by: Infidel at November 27, 2021 08:47 PM (LZkdC)
Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 08:45 PM (r1z5A)
Yeah, doing a military purge all the way down to the sergeant level on the eve of Barbarossa kind of puts lie to the 'Genius' contention.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:48 PM (csEWM)
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Probably a toss-up either way. Both were brutal individuals who thought nothing of starving massive numbers of their own countrymen.
Posted by: junior at November 27, 2021 08:48 PM (PTw5h)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
The one line they'd cut today is when he sends the boy to check the traps and the yells to him to "keep you nose open. There might be Indians around!"
Couldn't say that today.
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 27, 2021 08:49 PM (rz+/y)
Jeremiah Johnson and The Natural
And I'm no Bogart fanboi but he's coincidentally the star in five of my top ten movies list.
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:49 PM (iXJM1)
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Ahem.
What are you now?
Posted by: I mean at November
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Well, i guess these days one has to ask.
Posted by: All-American Kestrel at November 27, 2021 08:49 PM (IDhUW)
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 27, 2021 08:49 PM (sAmhv)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:49 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at November 27, 2021 08:50 PM (Dc2NZ)
Posted by: Just a side note
Not a fan of Redford either.
Posted by: Infidel at November 27, 2021 08:50 PM (LZkdC)
Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 08:50 PM (M8yB3)
I suck at finding my old posts here, but I "reprinted" on my blog here:
https://tinyurl.com/2p9cwk9u
I mean--
|| Ahem. What are you now?||
A man at the tender age of nearly 29 still deserves to be called a man.
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:51 PM (asXVI)
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Yeah, she was a cutie.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 27, 2021 08:51 PM (FVME7)
Mao's sexual perversions broke the tie for me.
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:51 PM (iXJM1)
He suffers through most of it.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:51 PM (L2ZTs)
Paints His Shirt Red.
Posted by: davidt at November 27, 2021 08:52 PM (0hbQ6)
Posted by: Beartooth at November 27, 2021 08:52 PM (KTaZ8)
Posted by: JuJuBee at November 27, 2021 08:52 PM (mNhhD)
Posted by: SFGoth at November 27, 2021 08:52 PM (KAi1n)
Posted by: dartist at November 27, 2021 08:52 PM (+ya+t)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 08:53 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Infidel
I didn't even like him as the angel of death in one of the Twilight Zone episodes (Nothing in the Dark).
Posted by: Tonypete at November 27, 2021 08:53 PM (mD/uy)
And I'm no Bogart fanboi but he's coincidentally the star in five of my top ten movies list.
Posted by: Just a side note
The Natural and Top Gun would have made great 30 min. movies.
Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 08:53 PM (r1z5A)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:53 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: SFGoth at November 27, 2021 08:54 PM (KAi1n)
Posted by: Beartooth at November 27, 2021 08:52 PM (KTaZ
212 One Christmas movie I don't like is Christmas in Connecticut. Even though it's set at Christmas there's no Christmas-y feeling to it at all.
Posted by: JuJuBee
Wow. This is kind of impressive.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 27, 2021 08:54 PM (sAmhv)
I agree. That's a category in its own right, movies that should have been TV episodes. I love the Natural but its more padded than Hans und Frans on SNL. Pretty much anything M Night Shamalamadingdong does is the same way. ALL the Netflix Marvel shows.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 08:54 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:55 PM (L2ZTs)
"A Breaking Bad Christmas"
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:49 PM (L2ZTs)
Featuring a solo performance of Jingle Bells by Hector Salamanca
Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 08:55 PM (mZUr4)
Maybe when I retire.
I echo the recommendation by Blutarski to include Donovan's Reef. I loved that movie as a lad.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 08:55 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: SFGoth
Gloria Grahame
No wait! Terrible example!!
Posted by: Tonypete at November 27, 2021 08:55 PM (mD/uy)
Posted by: JuJuBee at November 27, 2021 08:55 PM (mNhhD)
Brubaker was pretty good. I'll have to think about my list.
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:55 PM (iXJM1)
Posted by: SFGoth at November 27, 2021 08:54 PM (KAi1n)
One should be careful around wiring
Posted by: Kindltot at November 27, 2021 08:55 PM (P9T5R)
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Different paths to power, and different methods of holding power. Mao's method was primarily through using "self-criticisms" to humiliate the people around him. I suspect he enjoyed that more than he did killing them.
Posted by: junior at November 27, 2021 08:55 PM (PTw5h)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 08:55 PM (KZzsI)
Let's just say I was... blown away. (Get it? Get it??)
;-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: f'd at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (Tnijr)
||Rare Exports is Christmas movie.
Here's the list from last year:
https://moviegique.com/2021/01/christmas-ornaments/
The Shop Around The Corner (1940)
Holiday Inn (1942)
The Bishop's Wife (1947)
The Holly and the Ivy (1952)
White Christmas (1954)
[cont]
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (asXVI)
Jeremiah Johnson and The Natural
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Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:49 PM (iXJM1)
JASN...
Jeremiah is fine for what it is, but The Natural just blows.
And I say that as a Buffalonian who lived through that nonsense when it was filmed here.
I mean to start with, they fucked with the story so much as to make it laughable.
Not to mention the Redford was too damn old to play Roy Hobbs to begin with.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (BgMrQ)
Hint: yes
Its one of Survivorman's favorite movies
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 08:37 PM (KZzsI)
You know that John Milius wrote most of the screenplay for that one, right?
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (evAgx)
Santa Claus (Rifftrax version)
"The Tick Loves Santa"
Joyeux Noel (2005)
In Bruges (200
Rare Exports (2010)
Krampus (2015)
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (asXVI)
Such a great voice for narration, too.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (bDqIh)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (csEWM)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 08:53 PM (KZzsI)
Agree on both.
Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (mZUr4)
Posted by: Martin Tell at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (Mvtxh)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:57 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Pete in Texas at November 27, 2021 08:57 PM (q0L8k)
Posted by: Just a side note
So many leftist assholes are perverts. My guess as to is that both leftism and perversion require psychopathy so they're pre-qualified plus they see themselves as saviors of the people so if they engage in a little kink, it all balances out.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 27, 2021 08:57 PM (FVME7)
Let's just say I was... blown away. (Get it? Get it??)
;-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (L2ZTs)
Yes - I see what you did there, haha!
Better Caul Saul > Breaking Bad
Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 08:57 PM (mZUr4)
Does Better Caul Saul take place in the 1980s? That's the impression I've always had.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:58 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 08:58 PM (2JoB8)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 08:59 PM (0EcY/)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 08:59 PM (KZzsI)
Does Better Caul Saul take place in the 1980s? That's the impression I've always had.
Posted by: qdpsteve
More like 2002. I think.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 09:00 PM (0EcY/)
We vacationed with all Li'l Blutarskis in Breckenridge, CO this summer and I MADE the family watch Jeremiah Johnson.
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 27, 2021 09:00 PM (rz+/y)
I never read the book so I had no expectations. He may have been too old based on the book but the movie acknowledged his age. I loved that it followed the feel good hero ending .
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 09:00 PM (iXJM1)
Posted by: Beartooth at November 27, 2021 09:00 PM (KTaZ8)
Let's just say I was... blown away. (Get it? Get it??)
;-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (L2ZTs)
That rings a bell with me.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a headache at November 27, 2021 09:00 PM (OYUie)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 09:00 PM (evAgx)
"Well I would have but my kids wouldn't like it"
--Eddie Murphy hiding in the basement so his kids won't beat him up
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:01 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: dartist at November 27, 2021 09:01 PM (+ya+t)
The kids love it, but of course we raised them on Wallace and Grommitt. The WWI gtand-santa is hilarious.
If you like Myrna Loy and Cary Grant then Bachelor and the Bobbysoxer is a must.
Finally, just finished a wonderful, free course on WW2 at Hillsdale College.
Posted by: Boymom at November 27, 2021 09:01 PM (O5Ll7)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:02 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: JuJuBee at November 27, 2021 09:02 PM (mNhhD)
We just didn't get it. Neither of us thought there was any "there" there. The movie just didn't seem to have a point. Army bomb techs in Iraq. Various situations. No real story.
Anyone have insight on what we missed??
Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 09:02 PM (mZUr4)
Posted by: davidt at November 27, 2021 09:02 PM (0hbQ6)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 09:03 PM (0EcY/)
Posted by: dartist
That is a good one too!
Posted by: Infidel at November 27, 2021 09:03 PM (LZkdC)
Posted by: qdpsteve
From your lips to a Disney execs ears.
Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 09:03 PM (r1z5A)
Let's just say I was... blown away. (Get it? Get it??)
;-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (L2ZTs)
That rings a bell with me.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a headache at November 27, 2021 09:00 PM (OYUie)
LOL
Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 09:04 PM (mZUr4)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:04 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 09:04 PM (2JoB8)
Posted by: JuJuBee at November 27, 2021 09:04 PM (mNhhD)
It's hard to keep track of the conspiracy theories which are accepted these days, but I didn't disagree with the guy, except on the basic principle of not telling a guy who had lost his hands and a lot of his friends that they were suckers.
It's kind of like I love a good moon-landing conspiracy theory, but if I started yelling it at Buzz Aldrin and calling him a coward, I'd deserve a punch in the snout.
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 09:04 PM (asXVI)
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 09:00 PM (iXJM1)
Let us say that the ending of the book was not so sunny...
Which explains why they changed it.
Roy is either an "anti-hero" or a "tragic hero" in the book...depends on your point of view. Me I go with anti-hero.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:05 PM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:05 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 08:59 PM (KZzsI)
The Coen Bro's were always good friends of John Milius, and everyone who knows him agrees that Walter Sobchak (Big Lebowski) is an absolutely spot-on portrayal of Milius.
A guy you like but who also drives every one around him nuts, because he switches back and forth between being a genius and being completely insane every other sentence.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 09:05 PM (evAgx)
Mao instituted agricultural collectivism and the Great Leap Forward and established quotas for agricultural products, and doubled down after Khrushchev criticized Stalin's practices. Produce was stripped away from the farms and peasants starved and were executed for gleaning in harvested fields while the harvests were rotting in sidings because the train and road nets were useless.
When the famine began to gnaw at the cities and the elites, and protests began, Mao began purges and then initiated the Cultural Revolution, where every element of society began an internal revolution for doctrinal purity. Self criticism grew out of that, and the fighting was encouraged by Mao and his circle specifically because they would not then rebel against his rule.
as a side note, I think a lot of the Turnip-in-chief's advisers are Maoists in training, at least in strategy. The American Shining Path.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 27, 2021 09:06 PM (P9T5R)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 09:06 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 08:57 PM (mZUr4)
Doof, that's what I've heard.
Does Better Caul Saul take place in the 1980s? That's the impression I've always had.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:58 PM (L2ZTs)
It takes place in the recent years before Breaking Bad. Season 1 is circa 2002/2003. Final season is upcoming. Very curious how they will wrap up / connect to BB. Especially the OUTSTANDING Kim Wexler character -- who never appears in BB.
Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 09:07 PM (mZUr4)
On the other hand, there is some scholarship that says Stalin was gearing up to try to overrun Europe but that Hitler beat him to the punch. There was going to be a war of extermination in Europe the moment that both Hitler and Stalin had the keys to Germany and the USSR in their hands. I can't imagine a worse war than what actually happened, but it is possible that Stalin's entry into the M-R Pact guaranteed that the war of extermination occurred in Eastern Europe and the USSR rather than in Central and Western Europe.
If that makes any sense.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 09:07 PM (M8yB3)
Posted by: exdem13 at November 27, 2021 08:30 PM (W+kMI)
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Trollhunter was on Netflix for a while (might still be there). I highly recommend it.
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Trollhunter is recommended to Tolkien fans and folklore/fantasy fans in general. It's about 3 Norwegian film students out to make a found footage film and they stumble into a current-day troll hunter who is a government employee (!) tasked with dealing with trolls which wander down from the mountain homelands. The trolls are wonderful beasts straight out of the old stories, and the action is great. Draugr is a Medieval thriller in which an agent of the King is sent to a mountain area which is suspected of backsliding into paganism. He doesn't know the half of it.... The film stands next to Japanese cinema in depicting the terror that ought to be associated by contact with the Angry Dead.
Posted by: exdem13 at November 27, 2021 09:07 PM (W+kMI)
btw, you can add Benedict Cumberpatch to your list of ignorant hollywood celerys to be ignored.
He's a lousy actor, too. He's got people bamboozled with his gay brit accent.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 09:07 PM (0EcY/)
The story that The Natural is based on (Eddie Waitkus) was very tragic. Guy was an amazing talent but things didn't work out so well.
But without that ending, the exploding light standards reflected in the manager's glasses, the swelling Randy Newman soundtrack ... The Natural would have been pretty dull and forgettable.
That is the one movie I've ever seen Glen Close in which she was appropriately cast in, though. Homespun kind of plain country lady.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:07 PM (KZzsI)
268 Lesser known Christmas movie:
The Great Rupert (1950)
Rupert is a squirrel.
Posted by: JuJuBee at November 27, 2021 09:04 PM (mNhhD)
Secret? Professor?
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Sexual Racist. at November 27, 2021 09:08 PM (II3Gr)
It doesn't hate the troops? It's a low bar, I know, and the only guys I know who can comment on the content say it's ridiculous, but the bulk of the War on Terror movies were hateful.
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 09:08 PM (asXVI)
Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 09:04 PM (2JoB
Thanks for the shared bewilderment. It was well acted -- just no plot development or character / relationship development.
Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 09:08 PM (mZUr4)
Posted by: Boymom at November 27, 2021 09:01 PM (O5Ll7)
Yes it is. Another one in that genre is "The Major and the Minor" with Ginger Rogers and Ray Milland.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:08 PM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard
It's been decades since I read it. I member it being a slog for me, and I think the symbolism scared and confused me.
Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 09:09 PM (r1z5A)
Posted by: Megthered at November 27, 2021 09:09 PM (sfWd9)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:09 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Beartooth at November 27, 2021 09:10 PM (KTaZ8)
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 09:08 PM (asXVI)
Ok -- I can see that point.
Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 09:10 PM (mZUr4)
Any other Christmas movie > A Christmas Story
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:29 PM (iXJM1)
Not blasphemy at all. I loved the movie when I was much younger, but I saw it again last Christmas with my kid. Way too much like Porky's to like it this time around. Pass. Overrated.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 27, 2021 09:10 PM (mdjgu)
Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 09:10 PM (2JoB8)
Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 09:11 PM (M8yB3)
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 09:11 PM (asXVI)
I watched about a minute of Cumberpatch as Dr Strange.
He's horrible. He looks and acts like he's attending a Costume Party.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 09:11 PM (0EcY/)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:11 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 09:09 PM (r1z5A)
Absolutely.
I'm no fan of the book, or the storyline.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:11 PM (BgMrQ)
I mentioned in a previous movie thread, Clark did such a crazy variety of movies, from near-porno to family comedy to horrific bloody horror, I wonder if he was schizophrenic.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 09:12 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 09:12 PM (evAgx)
Have a great night everyone.
Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 09:12 PM (2JoB8)
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 09:13 PM (asXVI)
Most people have not read his other writing, but Doyle was a genius at writing basically terrible people who were still somehow charming and in their way heroic, when the crunch hit.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:14 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Beartooth at November 27, 2021 09:10 PM (KTaZ
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We saw that recently and really enjoyed it. Christopher Plummer was hilarious.
I always think of "The Man Who Came to Dinner" as a Christmas movie.
Posted by: Hoplite Housewife at November 27, 2021 09:14 PM (mNMgp)
Posted by: John Milton's Ghost at November 27, 2021 09:14 PM (PTYkn)
Posted by: JuJuBee at November 27, 2021 09:14 PM (mNhhD)
I'll admit I was taken in by Sherlock Holmes. Ace was a fan of the series, too, and posted about it a couple of times.
But after a few episodes, you realize how empty and robotic Cumberpatch is as an actor. He's not even wooden; he's cardboard.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 09:14 PM (0EcY/)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:11 PM (KZzsI)
Same. I'm 50. Watched it for the first time 3 or 4 years ago. Chuckled a few times and finally understand the references I've heard/seen for years. But mostly I just feel like I checked a pop culture box and was able to move on.
Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 09:14 PM (mZUr4)
Posted by: qdpsteve
I'm firmly convinced they had two voice trax for the movie. One is the G-rated one we see. The other is a LOT of blue language. Always looks to me like they dubbed in the dad's swearing fits. It's a clinker!
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 27, 2021 09:15 PM (rz+/y)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 09:12 PM (evAgx)
The best parts of that movie are the street scenes of downtown Cleveland: Higbee's and Halle's, Public Square...
Used to take a bus from the Westside to the Terminal, and hoop the Shaker Rapid to get to school back in the late '60s.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:15 PM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: exdem13
I had forgotten the name of this film. We loved it. Laughed at many of it's scenes...
Thanks!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at November 27, 2021 09:15 PM (mIZpU)
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To my mind the conspiracy guy was supposed to be a diehard isolationist who couldn't accept that the Axis Pact of Steel was a real thing, with real consequences for the USA even if we "stayed out". Which we couldn't stay out, ultimately, because the Imperial Japanese Navy made damn sure we got in. But there's always that one guy who misses both the point and when he shouldn't argue it.
Posted by: exdem13 at November 27, 2021 09:16 PM (W+kMI)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 09:16 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: JuJuBee at November 27, 2021 09:16 PM (mNhhD)
Any other Christmas movie > A Christmas Story
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:29 PM (iXJM1)
Go shoot your eye out.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Sexual Racist. at November 27, 2021 09:17 PM (II3Gr)
I think that is less Cumberbatch's fault than the insanely overrated hack writer Steven Moffat. He's like JJ Abrams who can come up with a neat concept and fool you briefly with dazzling effects, but ultimately you look back at how hollow and empty the work is. And they cannot end or even continue a series beyond the initial concept.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:17 PM (KZzsI)
Thanks for reading!
I have found that the charge leveled in the '60s and '70s, that earlier films were too simplistic is in itself too simplistic.
The great westerns, war movies, dramas--even comedies--showed moral difficulties but without wallowing in sleaze and degradation, which I think is the true source of the critic's complaint.
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 09:17 PM (asXVI)
That is the quick take. I aver that if the Soviets had attacked Hitler, they could have lost.
The Great Purge was a great big deal, and IRL the Soviet got a lot of millage out of the deep hate from being attacked by a nominal ally.
And what about Lend-Lease? That was critical for victory, and could have been easily withheld from a belligerent Soviet Union.
The internal support in the West for the Soviets from all the useful idiots and crypto-communists would have been more difficult.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:18 PM (u82oZ)
OTOH, some others of his movies glamorize the mafia to death.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 09:18 PM (L2ZTs)
Speaking of Gus Fring...
he recently had very nice things to say about Gina Carano.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 08:59 PM (0EcY/)
Better late than never, I suppose.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 27, 2021 09:20 PM (mdjgu)
I'll go on record as saying he was well cast as Dr. Strange.
I'm a big Marvel buff from long time past, and he's everything I wanted in a Steven Strange.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:20 PM (BgMrQ)
I think that is less Cumberbatch's fault than the insanely overrated hack writer Steven Moffat. He's like JJ Abrams who can come up with a neat concept and fool you briefly with dazzling effects, but ultimately you look back at how hollow and empty the work is. And they cannot end or even continue a series beyond the initial concept.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
I concur.
Which makes me suspect Moffat, Davies, and Abrams steal other people's ideas, put them on the screen, and then don't know what to do with them.
For example, Game of Thrones' Benioff and Weiss did okay with GRRM's material...until they ran out of GRRM's material.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 09:21 PM (0EcY/)
As I recall he was nasty about Gina.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 09:21 PM (L2ZTs)
I agree. When they say romanticized or simplistic, what they really mean is "not nihilistic and corrupt". Were many earlier films a bit more fantasyc than the real world? Sure. But they dealt with some very tough, real problems in a manner that was entertaining and helped people escape their lives and hardship.
Chuck Dixon recently did a whole podcast about this very concept, and he tied it into the death of heroism and why the big two comic companies are dying.
He pointed out that nearly all the big names in cinema in the first 50 years or so were all Jewish. And they started out in a nation largely hostile and even violent to Jewish people. These were men who loved this nation despite its cruelty and bigotry they regularly faced, and wanted to show the beauty of what they saw. It was their way of getting ahead in early 20th century America, doing stuff people thought was crap (cinema). So they showed things as a "here's what I love and how things ought to be".
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:21 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2021 09:21 PM (0OP+5)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 09:22 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
I didn't like it. A bit too modern. So modern, the "spirit" of the Christmas Carol wasn't realized. Last I heard, "comedian" Kevin Hart was set to be in a remake of Scrooged. Pass.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 08:18 PM (0EcY/)
I think it would work well in more of a straight gothic horror/thriller setting with more of the psychological fear of the unknown. But, unlike most horror movies which are often nihilist and without hope, the tale gives you the perfect framework to show a man's triumph over his greatest enemy, himself. A screenplay in which a middle-aged scrooge, not some really old dude as is the norm, encounters manifest past present consequences and then a terrible future of his life after visitations by the ghosts. The Dicken's tale would work really well as a scary thriller.
Posted by: banana Dream at November 27, 2021 09:23 PM (pxX6h)
I agree, I liked him a lot as Strange, and showed his journey pretty well, given the extremely compressed time frame and pretty weak story. I have... tepid hopes for the next film based entirely on Cumberbatch and the director... Spider-Man and Evil Dead's Sam Raimi.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:23 PM (KZzsI)
I had written something similar but decided not to post . I would add that Finland kicked the Soviets ass until they were overwhelmed by the numbers. IMHO If it were not for the USA supplying the Soviets and bombing Germany, Hitler would have prevailed in Russia despite his military strategist incompetence.
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 09:23 PM (iXJM1)
Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2021 09:21 PM (0OP+5)
Aghhhh earworm...
Never liked the stop action stories.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:23 PM (BgMrQ)
Not really, but it is a lot of fun. I give them credit for doing a fun job trying to make a modern version of the story but ultimately it doesn't capture Dickens' feel or the power of the story.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:24 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 09:24 PM (0EcY/)
A most cogent comment.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:25 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 09:25 PM (mZUr4)
Newer films are no less fantasy, they're just =ugly= fantasies. If a critic looks at Myrna Loy in TBYOOL and says "No one is THAT good", well, it's just as legitimate to look at the anti-hero movies and say "No one is THAT bad," either.
Portraying aspirational things is good, yo.
||He pointed out that nearly all the big names in cinema in the first 50 years or so were all Jewish. And they started out in a nation largely hostile and even violent to Jewish people. These were men who loved this nation despite its cruelty and bigotry they regularly faced, and wanted to show the beauty of what they saw.||
Dixon's sharp. The idea that "We're gonna have comics full of special people who are special because they have powers and are also deviants but not because they do anything good" is a loser.
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 09:25 PM (asXVI)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 09:26 PM (L2ZTs)
not really. since hitler's plans for Europe were drawn up way before Ribbentrop signed something something with Molotov.
Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:26 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 09:26 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Tom Servo
I like the movie for perhaps, odd reasons. The kid's house resembles the home in which I grew up - it is damn near the same house. Same colors, same feel - I can 'smell' the coal furnace and feel the drafts. The junky back yards and alleys- oh yeah. I notice they are all freezing during the car ride - car's heaters sucked biggly then - that was my experience. No one had a garage to park the car in during the winter. You froze - all the time. The teacher, her dress, the school - yeah, the same.
Higbee's was local and so was Terminal Square.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 27, 2021 09:27 PM (mD/uy)
Right on cue...to help his Democrat commie pals in the US, fidel castro's bastard in Canada imposes fake "travel bans" to mirror biden's fake travel bans on Africa.
Like biden, fidel castro's bastard, a.k.a. justin trudeau, strongly opposed travel bans when President Trump imposed them.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 09:27 PM (0EcY/)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:17 PM (KZzsI)
Agree. The Sherlock Holmes series was dazzling out of the gate, thoughtful and with great fan service for those of us who read the books. An update of this odd character to the modern world, what a great thing to work with. And it was great, for a while. But the initial promise faded, and things just got odder and odder.
Posted by: Splunge at November 27, 2021 09:28 PM (PQ4Fz)
Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:26 PM (V13
The pact was part of the plan. Hitler always planned on betraying Stalin.
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 09:28 PM (iXJM1)
Yeah, I agree. We haven't taken any step toward verite or reality with noir films or brutal modern sleaze. Its just a nasty, gutter turn. There's nothing any more REAL about Requiem for a Dream, its just a souless, hopeless, nihilistic void of corruption that people cheered for being brave and "honest".
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:28 PM (KZzsI)
If you did not like Christmas in Connecticut, you won't like this one...
Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:28 PM (V13WU)
If that makes any sense.
Posted by: Sharkman
You may be aware of this, but there is a book about the inter-war period (WW1 and WW2) in the East called "Bloodlands", about the various terrible things that happened to people in the Ukraine, and elsewhere.
I have had a hard time reading it, because it describes some pretty terrible things.
The brutality of Stalin and the NKVD and Hitler and the SS were something to behold.
A lot of the Gestapo people ended up in the Stasi when the USSR took over East Germany at the end of WWII. The Russians hated the SS with a white hot passion, but the Gestapo were "internal security" and fit into Soviet plans for that role.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at November 27, 2021 09:29 PM (tjZg/)
Well, I did have to overcome my shyness to post that.
The short answer is the bulk of the Red Army would have been at the end of their bad supply lines, while the Germans would have been close to their supply source. The German General Staff could handle that situation a lot better than Hitler, and he would have been less of a military dunce.
With Hitler in power the Allies and the Soviet were bound to win, which is why the Allied Secret Services helped keep him alive.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:29 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: JuJuBee at November 27, 2021 09:29 PM (mNhhD)
Classic noir always has an element of fun: There's style, there's glamor, everything is heightened and, in the end, the hero does the right thing, no matter how hard. That of course shifted, at least by the time of the French New Wave.
||Its just a nasty, gutter turn. There's nothing any more REAL about Requiem for a Dream, its just a souless, hopeless, nihilistic void of corruption that people cheered for being brave and "honest".||
I have not bothered.
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 09:30 PM (asXVI)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 09:30 PM (evAgx)
Mrs. Splunge insists that Bad Santa is an essential Christmas movie that must be watched every year. I haven't signed on to it even being a proper Christmas movie, but I do see why she likes it.
Posted by: Splunge at November 27, 2021 09:30 PM (PQ4Fz)
Golly, you don't say. Next you'll be l tellin' me that Stalin was set on betraying the pact too !
Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:30 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Tonypete
Look out Cleveland! It's Tonypete.
Ho! Ho! Ho!
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at November 27, 2021 09:31 PM (tjZg/)
When the primary function of "entertainment" is to act as budget therapy for the creator it ceases being "entertainment."
Posted by: sven at November 27, 2021 09:31 PM (Lzpvj)
Posted by: Lizzy at November 27, 2021 09:31 PM (bDqIh)
Ho! Ho! Ho!
Posted by: Bozo Conservative..
Mr. Jingaling for the win.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 27, 2021 09:31 PM (mD/uy)
Viktor Suvorov was pretty adamant about the upcoming war plans to attack Germany by the Red Army. He had access to the GRU files. Even if other people were calling him stupid, he comes across as well informed in all his books.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:32 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 09:30 PM (evAgx)
I'm a purist:
BASIL RATHBONE
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:32 PM (BgMrQ)
Don't you see, fellas?! We'll never have the perfect society until the FASCISTS and COMMUNISTS learn to WORK TOGETHER. Hands...and heart!
Whoops. Sorry, channeling "Metropolis".
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 09:32 PM (asXVI)
To be fair they had a huge difference between them.
One was a socialist with genocidal tendencies and a mustache, and the other was a genocider with socialist tendencies and a mustache.
Posted by: sven at November 27, 2021 09:32 PM (Lzpvj)
Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:30 PM (V13WU)
Settle down I was agreeing with you.
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 09:32 PM (iXJM1)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 09:32 PM (evAgx)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:09 PM (KZzsI)
He's no Brian Dennehy.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a headache at November 27, 2021 09:32 PM (OYUie)
Posted by: Splunge at November 27, 2021 09:33 PM (PQ4Fz)
But pretty fade-in-the-crowd, which is what you want in a spy.
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 09:33 PM (asXVI)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 09:30 PM (evAgx)
I'm a purist:
BASIL RATHBONE
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:32 PM (BgMrQ)
*stands up next to browndog*
Solidarity!
Posted by: Beartooth at November 27, 2021 09:34 PM (KTaZ8)
...a bit of a bore in that role. No humor. Holmes needs a bit of humor. In my opinion.
Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:34 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:35 PM (u82oZ)
Jeremy Brett > > > > First season Sherlock > > Basil Rathbone movies > > > > > > > > > > Elementary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rest of Sherlock
Turning Moriarty into a fay, mincing queer was just... what the hell?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:35 PM (KZzsI)
BASIL RATHBONE
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:32 PM (BgMrQ)
*stands up next to browndog*
Solidarity!
Posted by: Beartooth at November 27, 2021 09:34 PM (KTaZ
***My brother***
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:35 PM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 09:35 PM (iXJM1)
Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2021 09:21 PM (0OP+5)
Aghhhh earworm...
Never liked the stop action stories.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:23 PM
'I'm Gumby, Damnit!'
Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2021 09:36 PM (0OP+5)
Posted by: Boss Moss at November 27, 2021 09:36 PM (LtGlA)
Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 09:36 PM (M8yB3)
But pretty fade-in-the-crowd, which is what you want in a spy.
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 09:33 PM (asXVI)
I consider Hoagy a perfect stand in for #everyman in the movie.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:36 PM (BgMrQ)
We just didn't get it. Neither of us thought there was any "there" there. The movie just didn't seem to have a point. Army bomb techs in Iraq. Various situations. No real story.
Posted by: Doof
It was so forgettable, I forget what I thought the point was. Maybe that the Renner character was so beaten down by the situation, that his heroism(example wearing no gear when he was going to defuse an IED), was not really heroism but just him giving in to fate? Or he had already given up?
Which would make sense given what Hollywood thinks of the military and heros.
Posted by: MikeM at November 27, 2021 09:36 PM (QMG4P)
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:35 PM (u82oZ)
Wonder who would write the song for the Casino Royale torturing-the-nads scene.
Posted by: Splunge at November 27, 2021 09:36 PM (PQ4Fz)
so did Johnny Lee Miller for largely the same reasons, Holmes is a bit of a misanthrope and very much an eclectic autodidact.
Posted by: sven at November 27, 2021 09:36 PM (Lzpvj)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 09:12 PM (evAgx)
Absolutely. I even got a red ryder BB gun for christmas, but I was 12, and didn't shoot my eye out gunning for Black Bart. Instead I devastated the tree ornaments. Mom was frigging pissed. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 27, 2021 09:37 PM (VwHCD)
Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:37 PM (V13WU)
I thought so to when I read that, because my vision of Carmichael was that guy from the 40s.
But this was the version Fleming had in mind:
https://tinyurl.com/mu5bruk3
An older, more worldly, and grown up version
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:37 PM (KZzsI)
It reminds me of the world that was disappearing right in front of me as a child.
The town in the movie, the neighborhoods, looked like where I grew up. Of course, even though the house I grew up in is still standing and the neighborhood is still ok and livable, that world is gone.
Dana Andrews was also the star of "Zero Hour", which was the 'serious' movie that "Airplane!" was based on. I actually watched it one night, and laughed most of the way through it, although it was supposed to be serious. "Airplane!" was such an actual keen parody of it, as the cast of "Zero Hour" was so melodramatic.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at November 27, 2021 09:38 PM (tjZg/)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:35 PM (KZzsI)
The best Moriarty was turned in my the guy who played him on Star Trek: TNG
(he was also Adm. Josh Painter's XO)
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:38 PM (BgMrQ)
When he's wrong, he gets sued (Sandy Hook). When he's right, he gets banned (everything else).
Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 09:39 PM (M8yB3)
https://tinyurl.com/mu5bruk3
An older, more worldly, and grown up version
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:37 PM (KZzsI)
I get you, but am I the only one who cannot get past that schnozz? It's like a life all on its own. It probably has its own birth certificate.
Posted by: Splunge at November 27, 2021 09:39 PM (PQ4Fz)
Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:40 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: sven at November 27, 2021 09:40 PM (Lzpvj)
A lot can go wrong in the short term. The USSR hanging on and then becoming the colossus it was on the battlefield wasn't inevitable. Look at the first week of October 1941 in Moscow. With his special train ready at the station and many ministries already moving to Kubishev, order broke down. Only time it happened in a non-outlying national republic in Soviet history.
And while an eventual titanic clash between the two totalitarian powers seems unavoidable, the idea that Stalin was in any position to take the initiative in 1941 - or for a year or two after - has to contend with the reality of the Soviet military at the time, which was in no condition for anything like such an offensive.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 27, 2021 09:41 PM (OTzUX)
I had never seen it before film school. Blew me away.
Posted by: PJ1 at November 27, 2021 09:41 PM (G1dq6)
Posted by: sven at November 27, 2021 09:41 PM (Lzpvj)
Yeah he puts it in these demented, bombastic ways that are easy to mock but when you look back you go "oh.. that's what he was talking about"
Like the queer frogs thing, that everyone giggles at. He was referring to an actual thing that is going on:
recent scientific findings about the influence of endocrine disruptors on sexual behavior in male South African Claw frogs. After being exposed in a laboratory environment to EPA approved levels of atrazine - the second most commonly used herbicide in the U.S., as well as a fairly common endocrine disruptor found in water supplies - these male frogs underwent a significant change in behavior. The frogs exposed to the atrazine, as opposed to the control group who weren't, started exhibiting distinct homosexual behavior. Not only did they engage in homosexual sex with one another, as the attending scientist, Tyrone Hayes PHD, said of the frogs, their behavior became "feminized./
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:42 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2021 09:36 PM (0OP+5)
All those shows: Davy and Goliath, Rudolph
There was some really bad kids TV in the 60s...just sayin'
Give me old (pre60s) Merry Melodies, Looney Tunes, and Rocky and Bullwinkle.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:42 PM (BgMrQ)
Anyone have insight on what we missed??
Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 09:02 PM (mZUr4)
At it's heart it is a trans coming of age story in the war torn US Army.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 27, 2021 09:42 PM (k3pAQ)
Posted by: NaCly Dog
Yeah, I have read a couple of "Viktor Suvorov's" books.
"Inside the Red Army" and "Inside the GRU"
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at November 27, 2021 09:42 PM (tjZg/)
Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:43 PM (V13WU)
In the books, he was a total nerd, a professor type who had found himself in masterminding crime.
I thought the series Moriarty was actually one of its successes, though, until things got weird with the death scene.
Posted by: Splunge at November 27, 2021 09:43 PM (PQ4Fz)
Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 27, 2021 09:44 PM (+Kpte)
Elementary would have been a good show, if it wasn't pretending to be Sherlock Holmes. Delete all those names and references and it becomes an interesting series with some clever writing. But it so brutally rapes the Sherlock Holmes canon with a flaming porcupine that I cannot like or watch it.
Like Agents of Sheesh, I wanted to like it so bad I watched a season and a half and finally realized it wasn't going to get any better.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:44 PM (KZzsI)
Good points all. We could have a great time discussing all the what-ifs, But not at a MoMeet. That is for bacchanals.
The What-Ifs of today actually have more of my attention.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:45 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: NaCly Dog
Seeing as we had to supply Stalin with just about every material known to man, and that barely kept the Russians alive.
How the hell would he be able to have gone on an offensive across Europe without our support? Not trying to be snarky, genuinely curious?
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:46 PM (BgMrQ)
Theme: Making war is addictive, because everything you do matters so much more.
Favorite moment: When they are waiting out the sniper, and first we see Renner's super-parched lips, and feel his thirst as he opens a juice box and punches the straw into it -- then hands it off to the guy on the rifle.
Posted by: Splunge at November 27, 2021 09:46 PM (PQ4Fz)
Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:47 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: runner
I never watched it. I do know that the uber cute and sexy Lucy Liu is in it.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 27, 2021 09:48 PM (sAmhv)
Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2021 09:36 PM (0OP+5)
All those shows: Davy and Goliath, Rudolph
There was some really bad kids TV in the 60s...just sayin'
Give me old (pre60s) Merry Melodies, Looney Tunes, and Rocky and Bullwinkle.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:42 PM
Oh I agree, browndog.
Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2021 09:49 PM (0OP+5)
What songs by Stephen Sondheim should I know??
And why did no one tell me Bruce Lee fights Wyatt Earp in a kung fu movie?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 09:49 PM (0EcY/)
Yes. Totally see that. Gray man.
Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:49 PM (V13WU)
No one, repeat, no one, wanted to tell Stalin bad news. Like your war plan is beyond stupid. Or the troops commanders are not ready.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:49 PM (u82oZ)
She learns to be just as good as Sherlock! In one year! And is not a scumbag addict in the process!
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:50 PM (KZzsI)
Agreed, I watched both by the end of the second season of each my estimation between the two flipped.
Elementary got the SJW crap out of the way quick and then settled into a good homage, Sherlock did the opposite.
Posted by: sven at November 27, 2021 09:50 PM (Lzpvj)
Posted by: runner
I don't really think Hitler had any realistic expectation that his "plans for Europe" were in any way something he could possibly succeed in implementing. He seems to have almost been spitballing it a lot of the time to see what he could get away with, and the Allies kept giving in to him unexpectedly.
I also don't think it's at all accurate to say that Hitler had plans drawn up for much of anything prior to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Poland, yes. Orders to begin planning for Norway, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, France and Russia were issued well after the Pact was inked. And he put troops in North Africa, Greece and Yugoslavia only as a direct response to actions of other nations, having had no reason to think about invading those countries previous to the Pact.
I think everyone is so used to just reading the timeline of WW2 and assuming that it progressed in stages according to some master plan that Hitler had envisioned years earlier, when in reality it was extraordinarily fluid.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 09:50 PM (M8yB3)
Theme: Making war is addictive, because everything you do matters so much more.
Favorite moment: When they are waiting out the sniper, and first we see Renner's super-parched lips, and feel his thirst as he opens a juice box and punches the straw into it -- then hands it off to the guy on the rifle.
Posted by: Splunge at November 27, 2021 09:46 PM (PQ4Fz)
Appreciate your thoughts. That was indeed a great moment. That whole scene was definitely the best of the film. The other guy with Renner covering their "six" and taking out the guy on the railroad tracks was a great moment.
I think it will grow on me more as I think about it. But I guess I was just expecting more of a plot.
Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 09:51 PM (mZUr4)
Posted by: sven at November 27, 2021 09:50 PM (Lzpvj)
yes, yes they did
Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:51 PM (V13WU)
Also, the Red Army had a lot of equipment like many, many tanks and guns. But lack of radios in the tank, good doctrine, and well-trained junior and senior officers would have doomed an offensive.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:52 PM (u82oZ)
What songs by Stephen Sondheim should I know??
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 09:49 PM (0EcY
The Biden Admins theme song: Send in The Clowns!
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:52 PM (BgMrQ)
___
You can't because it sucked bigly.
Posted by: SMH while awaiting His return at November 27, 2021 09:52 PM (Z/38I)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 27, 2021 09:54 PM (k3pAQ)
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard
There are a lot of weird aspects to WWII.
Both sides were "war weary" but for different reasons. The Soviets were likely bled white, from losses in manpower.
The UK was financially stricken, almost broke.
The US was "bored" with the war (on the home front) and was ready for it to be over.
I think the US Army Air Force would have wreaked havoc on the Soviet ground forces. On a few occasions, massed formations of B-17's bombed sections of German formations where they were massed (during the breakout at Avranches after the Normandy landings), and inflicted awful casualties. If they would have done that to Soviet formations, the carnage would have been awful.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at November 27, 2021 09:54 PM (tjZg/)
so did Johnny Lee Miller for largely the same reasons, Holmes is a bit of a misanthrope and very much an eclectic autodidact.
Posted by: sven at November 27, 2021 09:36 PM (Lzpvj)
I liked Elementary. A lot. I especially liked their take on Moriarty.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 27, 2021 09:54 PM (mdjgu)
Posted by: From That Time at November 27, 2021 09:55 PM (4780s)
Posted by: Oddball at November 27, 2021 09:55 PM (0hbQ6)
Hope you and Ex-ex had a relaxing Thanksgiving.
Hope none of the looting got close to you. In that case, I guess you would miss your SAW. And being the Queen of a rural reaction force.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:55 PM (u82oZ)
==
why the hell not ? he succeeded in everything he planned prior (except the painter bit). Chancellor, savior of Germany, economic miracle worker, Pax Germania. He had every expectation that the war machine he built, and that includes the atrocities, would get him what he wanted.
Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:56 PM (V13WU)
No one, repeat, no one, wanted to tell Stalin bad news. Like your war plan is beyond stupid. Or the troops commanders are not ready.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:49 PM (u82oZ)
I get that, but when push comes to shove would the Red Army command engage in a futile offensive.
It's one thing to defend the motherland, it's another to grind up your youth in a doomed offensive.
I say, the Red Army command would have shot Stalin had he gone on that type of an offensive.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:56 PM (BgMrQ)
He wrote the lyrics to "West Side Story" which is chock full of great stuff.
"Send In The Clowns," of course.
"Sweeney Todd"--the whole thing is amazing, if you get the original cast with George Hearn and Angela Lansbury. The movie manages to ... well, not completely kill it.
"Into The Woods"--also great, and also the original cast trounces the movie version.
Just off the top of my head.
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 09:56 PM (asXVI)
Posted by: SMH while awaiting His return at November 27, 2021 09:57 PM (Z/38I)
It's hard to believe those three nations actually still exist after what occurred there. One reason I always still have hope for Europe is that somehow Poland survived, retained its Christian spirit and helped throw off the yoke of Communism during the 80s even though it was all bit destroyed as a nation.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 09:57 PM (M8yB3)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 09:59 PM (0EcY/)
Our point replacement system crushed unit cohesion and combat ability after VE. Only a very few divisions, like the 82nd Airborne, were spared. We were not ready for ground action.
Glad it never happened. Because the Red Army evolved when they did not have air superiority. And at the end of the war, had a much bigger fighter force that the Nazis.
Our USAAC quality was much better, but we would have had, IMHO, unacceptable losses.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:59 PM (u82oZ)
It had a Twilight Zone-like plot about two young people living in a department store, yearning to see the outside world. First aired in fall 1966 in color, and it's available on Amazon Prime Video today, but only in black and white as no one can find the original master videotape.
Anyway, sounds really interesting. Think I may watch the Amazon online video for $1.99.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 09:59 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 10:00 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 27, 2021 10:00 PM (rz+/y)
Thanks for weighing in BC...
I was operating under the assumption that Stalin had plans prior to WW2 for invading Europe...before Hitler got a leg up on him.
Which I posit that he couldn't have done, as we wouldn't be lending him everything under the sun.
All your other points stand post 1945.
Patton was right. The US should have gone straight to Moscow.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 10:01 PM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: SMH while awaiting His return at November 27, 2021 09:57 PM (Z/38I)
{{{SMH}}}
They knew you were in town!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) - Lie back and think of that sweet graft! ~ at November 27, 2021 10:01 PM (hOUT3)
While being dogged by Sherlock Holmes and his excessive pull with Scotland Yard
Maybe one day there would be a movie based on this
Posted by: Kindltot at November 27, 2021 10:01 PM (P9T5R)
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 10:01 PM (u82oZ)
I say, the Red Army command would have shot Stalin had he gone on that type of an offensive.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:56 PM (BgMrQ)
Not the ones he started the war with, those were the ones that survived the purges.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 27, 2021 10:04 PM (P9T5R)
Posted by: Infidel at November 27, 2021 10:05 PM (LZkdC)
Posted by: Lizzy at November 27, 2021 10:06 PM (bDqIh)
"Festus, we're having a sporting event.
"Turn your hat around.
"You are now a Yank."
Posted by: Pope John the 20th at November 27, 2021 10:06 PM (Ap+cR)
Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 27, 2021 10:11 PM (7bRMQ)
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 10:14 PM (asXVI)
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at November 27, 2021 10:40 PM (64kcH)
I say, the Red Army command would have shot Stalin had he gone on that type of an offensive.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:56 PM (BgMrQ)
Not the ones he started the war with, those were the ones that survived the purges.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 27, 2021 10:04 PM (P9T5R)
You think Zhukov would have gone along with that madness. I just don't see it...
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 10:43 PM (BgMrQ)
Correct. The Red Army on its own territory is entirely different than a Red Army at the end of its supply lines. A lot of the offensive power they had by 1943 was because of the massive infusion of Lend Lease trucks. Take that away and the Soviet Union becomes beatable.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 27, 2021 11:23 PM (roH4R)
Years later, I finally saw the movie. It did not disappoint.
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Posted by: Ted Torgerson at November 28, 2021 01:19 AM (MmpjX)
Always. No matter how much I steel myself for it, that moment always breaks me
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