Saturday Evening Movie Thread [Moviegique]

When I was a boy, the greatest of the secular holidays--if you'll forgive the oxymoron--was Thanksgiving. It sat defiantly on a Thursday and, fortified by the mythology of America, simultaneously closed the stores and clogged the airports and the bus stations. Gourmandizing aside, it was--and still is--a holiday that defied commercialization because its elemental substance was gratitude. So it is perhaps unsurprising that, encroached on one side by the increasingly commercialized Christmas and on the other by a Halloween metastasized from ever -expanding childhoods, Thanksgiving has not been a font of pop culture. Or, as Loudon Wainwright III put it:

Suddenly, it's Christmas right after Halloween
Forget about Thanksgiving, it's just a buffet in-between

(Wainwright's thoughts on Thanksgiving can be found here.)

Up until a few years ago, when John Hughes' Planes, Trains and Automobiles emerged from the cinematic soup of the '80s as a modern Thanksgiving classic (and setting aside the second best Peanuts special), the film I most associated with Thanksgiving was The Best Years of Our Lives. So ingrained was this in my head, I was rather surprised on a recent viewing to discover Thanksgiving makes no appearance in the film whatsoever--though it was released one week before Thanksgiving in 1946.

No Thanksgiving, but a whole lot of giving thanks.

1.jpg Hoagy Carmichael in the back, and from left-to-right: Harold Russell, Teresa Wright, Dana Andrews, Myrna Loy, Frederic March

Directed by William Wyler from a screenplay by Robert Sherwood (RebeccaThe Bishop's Wife) from a novella/poem by MacKinlay Kantor (who also wrote the book Follow Me, Boys! was based on), it would be the top grossing film of the decade and win seven regular Academy Awards, including Best Director, Best Screenplay and both Best Actor Oscars, and two special Oscars.

Our story begins with three servicemen returning from the war: An Army sergeant (Frederic March), a Navy Petty Officer (Harold Russell) and an Air Force bombardier (Dana Andrews) who share an uncomfortable 16-hour plane flight to get to the fictional town of Boone City where each discovers that while the town  hasn't changed, they and their relationship to it has.

There's nothing more American than the fact that their status in the military service has nothing to do with their non-military lives (cf. "I've Got My Captain Working For Me Now"). Sergeant Al (March) was a wealthy banker, Petty Officer Homer (Russell) was a solidly middle class high-school sports star, and the highest status among them, Bombardier Fred (Andrews) was a soda-jerk from the wrong side of the tracks.

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(insert inappropriate joke about "getting over Macho Grande" here)

Al returns to loving wife Milly (top-billed Myrna Loy) and two children who have grown to adulthood in his absence. Milly is so patient and so adept at handling Al that daughter Peggy (Teresa Wright) thinks that they've never had a single marital problem. Although Al finds himself welcome back at his old job (in charge of G.I. loans), he wants to use his gut sense about men--his faith in their abilities as he saw them during the war--as a basis for making loans. (This is literally illegal today.) And he finds himself dealing with the stress by drinking.

Homer's difficulties stem from the loss of his hands. Russell won two Oscars here, both for best supporting actor and an honorary one for supporting disabled veterans because the Academy assumed he couldn't win the regular Oscar, not being a professional actor. It's a powerhouse of a performance because Homer, who has already wrestled with his disability, has to repeat the grieving process with practically everyone he comes into contact with.

In an excess of decency, he wants to free his best girl Wilma (Cathy O'Donnell) from feeling obliged to stay with him while she struggles to make him realize her feelings haven't changed.

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Getting a piano lesson from Hoagy while Andrews (way in the back) is doing the right thing. (Look at that blocking!)

The main arc of the movie belongs to Fred. A genuine war hero who ends up working for the kid who probably was too young for the draft and whose home-town pharmacy was bought out by a big conglomerate, he's also suffering from what we now call PTSD, and his party-time pin-up gal wife Marie (Virginia Mayo), whom he married two weeks before shipping out, doesn't really have anything in common with him any more and also really hates that he can't hold down a job. The movie's great irony being that the least grateful and understanding person in the film, Marie, is the one who bitterly utters the words "the best years of my life".

Complicating matters further is that an encounter with Peggy convinces Fred that she, rather than the bubble-headed bimbo, is what he really wants in a wife. This doesn't go down very well with Al.

I hope it's not a spoiler to say that things more-or-less all work out for the best, and some critics, especially in later years, would regard the movie as too "neat", but the whole point of the film is giving thanks. When Homer is describing the process of how he has to put on the harness that holds his hook-hands, he says, "I'm lucky. I have my elbows. Some of the boys don't." (Sort of a variant on "I cried because I had no shoes until I met a man who had no feet.")

It isn't really "neat", though: All three of our heroes have to face the fact that life is going to be full of new challenges. Al's challenge is moral and institutional, Harold's is physical, and Fred basically has to start over. But a big part of giving thanks, as it turns out, is not giving up--and the guy who stands in the future suggesting a movie like this should end in despair is like the conspiracy theory guy (Ray Teal) who calls the servicemen "suckers": he deserves a sock in the jaw.

With a relentlessly emotional score by Hugo Friedhoffer (and directed by Emil Newman), and occasionally blocked so arrestingly that a home viewing has the vital advantage of letting you pause and rewind to appreciate it, this is a unique film that has me choked up for almost the entirety of its 2:50 runtime, every time I watch it--and feeling that I need to be more thankful.

4.jpg"There oughtta be a law against any man who doesn't want to marry Myrna Loy." -- Jimmy Stewart

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1 Hmmm. The tool didn't quite work.

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 07:56 PM (asXVI)

2 Movie Sign!

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 27, 2021 07:58 PM (rz+/y)

3 Hey movie thread! Thanks moviegique!

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 07:59 PM (L2ZTs)

4 Moviegique, do you mind if I ask a non-Thanksgiving movie-related question?

I'm reading Beowulf right now. What would you say is the best movie version of the story?

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:01 PM (L2ZTs)

5 See what we have

Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 08:01 PM (2JoB8)

6 Dana Andrews did some service announcements back in the late '60 about alcoholism and admitted he was one.

Then a few years later National Lampoon Radio had a bit about a charity that sought to "get that drunken Dana Andrews off our roads".

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 27, 2021 08:02 PM (rz+/y)

7 1 Hmmm. The tool didn't quite work.
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 07:56 PM (asXVI)

Yeah, I agree on that useless piece of crap, Patton Oswalt.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:03 PM (csEWM)

8 Blutarski, what we need is a charity that will force Alec Baldwin to retire.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:03 PM (L2ZTs)

9 I'm reading Beowulf right now. What would you say is the best movie version of the story?
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:01 PM (L2ZTs)

13th Warrior. Awesome film.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:03 PM (csEWM)

10 Aetius, thanks!

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:04 PM (L2ZTs)

11 Making a solid quality movie about Cheerleaders being sentenced to a bikini chain gang due to Spring Break hijinks is a lost art.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at November 27, 2021 08:04 PM (cupoy)

12 Hey, qdp!

Is there a good version of Beowulf? There's a Russian(?) animated version from the '90s I haven't seen. And the "13th Warrior" isn't as bad as it's made out to be, though it's odd.

I can't judge the Zemeckis' one: Too uncanny valley.

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:05 PM (asXVI)

13
Yeah, Thanksgiving managed to stave off shallow commercialism the best out of all the major holidays.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 08:05 PM (0EcY/)

14 Thank you so much Moviegigue for the thread and content. Really like the ideas for older movies that I have not seen. I watched Bogart in Sahara about a week ago. Really enjoyed that.
Now to read the content more carefully.
Blutarski, I think, think, you recommended The Trip a week or so back. Maybe it was not you. Thank you. That was interesting and excellent. Really my style.
If you have not seen Headhunters, it has the same male lead as from The Trip. And I think it is one of my top ten movies.

Posted by: MikeM at November 27, 2021 08:05 PM (QMG4P)

15 moviegique, thanks.
Yeah, Zemeckis is unfortunately too in love with CGI.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:06 PM (L2ZTs)

16 Ordered book set from Amazon, just got it now.

Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 08:06 PM (2JoB8)

17 I can't judge the Zemeckis' one: Too uncanny valley.
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:05 PM (asXVI)

Was that the one with Angelina Jolie? I saw that one... thought it was horrible.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:06 PM (csEWM)

18 "Making a solid quality movie about Cheerleaders being sentenced to a bikini chain gang due to Spring Break hijinks is a lost art."

Why? Did Jim Wynorski die?

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:06 PM (asXVI)

19 One of the Li'l Blutarskis remarked he'd never seen a Bruce Lee movie so we watched Enter the Dragon.

The next morning I found the Kentucky Fried Movie parody of it and showed it to him. He liked that better than Bruce Lee.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 27, 2021 08:06 PM (rz+/y)

20 16 Ordered book set from Amazon, just got it now.
Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 08:06 PM (2JoB

What did you get?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:06 PM (csEWM)

21 From the director of Rebecca?

Ugh. That movie about put me to sleep.

Posted by: Cow Demon - The Spice Must Flow at November 27, 2021 08:06 PM (CdZ4i)

22 Aetius, Angelina was Grendel's Mother.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:07 PM (L2ZTs)

23 Harold Russell gave a speech at my high school around 1980 before showing us Best Years Of Our Life

Posted by: Creek at November 27, 2021 08:07 PM (29OXW)

24
When we were kids, we drew "Hand Turkeys."
Can't get more basic than that.

Thanksgiving was always a glorified supper. Pop Culture had a hard time sinking its Madison Avenue claws into it.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 08:07 PM (0EcY/)

25 Jimmy Stewart was right--hoo boy!

Posted by: FriscoYoda at November 27, 2021 08:07 PM (+56GQ)

26 Who was the guy who did all the softcore action films on showtime and cinemax.... andy sidaris?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:07 PM (csEWM)

27 Making a solid quality movie about Cheerleaders being sentenced to a bikini chain gang due to Spring Break hijinks is a lost art.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here


After the loss of DeMille, the genre was doomed.

Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 08:07 PM (r1z5A)

28 9 I'm reading Beowulf right now. What would you say is the best movie version of the story?
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:01 PM (L2ZTs)

13th Warrior. Awesome film.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:03 PM (csEWM)

EATERS OF THE DEAD

Posted by: Cow Demon - The Spice Must Flow at November 27, 2021 08:07 PM (CdZ4i)

29 MikeM -- you're welcome! The past is a treasure trove. They could never make a movie again and you'd never run out of great ones to watch, if you have broad enough tastes.

Aetius -- "Was that the one with Angelina Jolie? I saw that one... thought it was horrible."

Yeah, and they spent a lot of time on Jolie's CGI, IIRC, but it doesn't matter to me: Any time I get that "we're trying to fool you" vibe, that's all I'm seeing.

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:08 PM (asXVI)

30 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 27, 2021 08:08 PM (arJlL)

31 This movie dealt with the issues returning veterans face better, and more honestly, then any other film ever has. The best scene in the film, by far, has no words at all in it. It's when Homer goes up and his father helps him take his prosthetics off and get ready for bed. And it's not just the tragedy of Homer's injury; the love of an older father for his crippled son also shines through, without any words required.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 08:08 PM (evAgx)

32 EATERS OF THE DEAD
Posted by: Cow Demon - The Spice Must Flow at November 27, 2021 08:07 PM (CdZ4i)

The skein of your life was woven long ago. Go hide in a hole if you wish- you won't live a second longer.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:09 PM (csEWM)

33 I think it's mostly real but these WWII movies out of Russia are doing a very good job if real or CGI with period equipment.

Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 08:09 PM (2JoB8)

34 9 I'm reading Beowulf right now. What would you say is the best movie version of the story?
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:01 PM (L2ZTs)

13th Warrior. Awesome film.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:03 PM (csEWM)

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I thought 13th Warrior was based on Crichton's Eaters of the Dead (which itself is supposed to be the "real events" that were the origin of the Beowulf story).

Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 27, 2021 08:09 PM (CAJOC)

35 Seems like Thanksgiving movies in recent decades are always about family dysfunction -- Hollywood exacting revenge on their normie family members by depicting them in the worst light po

Posted by: Lizzy at November 27, 2021 08:09 PM (bDqIh)

36 Yeah, and they spent a lot of time on Jolie's CGI, IIRC, but it doesn't matter to me: Any time I get that "we're trying to fool you" vibe, that's all I'm seeing.
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:08 PM (asXVI)

The problem with the heavy graphic movies that are supposed to be revolutionary is that they put so much focus on the visuals that the character, story and dialogue all usually get shortchanged (Hello, Avatar.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:10 PM (csEWM)

37 That scene with Dana Andrews' character sitting in a plane in the aircraft graveyard always gets me. It's not just that he feels like a cast off, it's when you can see his determination to say "No!".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at November 27, 2021 08:10 PM (Dc2NZ)

38
When's the last time Hollywood produced a bona fide holiday "classic?"

Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 08:10 PM (0EcY/)

39 Bought the entire Narnia set for my grand-niece

Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 08:10 PM (2JoB8)

40 I thought 13th Warrior was based on Crichton's Eaters of the Dead (which itself is supposed to be the "real events" that were the origin of the Beowulf story).
Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 27, 2021 08:09 PM (CAJOC)

It is. Still the best version of Beowulf I have seen.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:10 PM (csEWM)

41 Doctor Zhivago is a Christmas movie, fight me!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a headache at November 27, 2021 08:11 PM (OYUie)

42 ||From the director of Rebecca?

No, the writer. The director of "Rebecca" was Alfred Hitchcock. It won best picture.

||Who was the guy who did all the softcore action films on showtime and cinemax.... andy sidaris?

Yeah, he was the king of the genre. His movies don't make a lick of sense but feature lots of explosions, gadgets, end-of-career actors (like Pat Morita and Erik Estrada), and scads of Playmates :tm:.

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:11 PM (asXVI)

43 "There oughtta be a law against any man who doesn't want to marry Myrna Loy." -- Jimmy Stewart
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This guy knows his stuff! Great movie but tough to watch for me.

Posted by: dartist at November 27, 2021 08:11 PM (+ya+t)

44 38
When's the last time Hollywood produced a bona fide holiday "classic?"

Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 08:10 PM (0EcY/)

Passion of the Christ? I also heard Risen is good.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:12 PM (csEWM)

45 Best Years of our Lives is a movie I love, but for the most part avoid. Some films have too much truth in them for light consumption.

Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 08:12 PM (r1z5A)

46 Great post, Movieque !

Posted by: JT at November 27, 2021 08:12 PM (arJlL)

47 What would you say is the best movie version of the story?
Posted by: qdpsteve

There was bad version on Syfy. Low budget and I'm not sure it was particularly loyal to the text.

There was another starring I think Gerard Butler that I liked. The monster was less a monster than a human that was just a genetic outlier. Very tall with more body hair. It was filmed I think in Iceland. Barren and windswept. Set a good mood.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 27, 2021 08:12 PM (rz+/y)

48 I do so love this movie. I never tire of watching it and, in my opinion, the whole cast should have won an Oscar. It's that close to perfect.

Posted by: Tuna at November 27, 2021 08:12 PM (gLRfa)

49
Finally!

Myrna Loy shows up on AoS.

I've been guessing "Myrna Loy" for Oregon Muse's "Who Dis?" for the last 2 years.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- "f*ck around and find out" at November 27, 2021 08:12 PM (0EcY/)

50 Blutarski, thanks!

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:12 PM (L2ZTs)

51 40 I thought 13th Warrior was based on Crichton's Eaters of the Dead (which itself is supposed to be the "real events" that were the origin of the Beowulf story).
Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 27, 2021 08:09 PM (CAJOC)

It is. Still the best version of Beowulf I have seen.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:10 PM (csEWM)

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I really liked how they showed Antonio Banderas's character slowly learning the language.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 27, 2021 08:13 PM (CAJOC)

52 14 Thank you so much Moviegigue for the thread and content. Really like the ideas for older movies that I have not seen. I watched Bogart in Sahara about a week ago. Really enjoyed that."

To me the star of Bogart's Sahara is the old M3 Lee tank they have. That was America's main battle tank when WW2 began, but it was replaced by the Sherman quickly, and as far as I know that's the only film that ever featured one. Most people have forgotten that it ever existed.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 08:13 PM (evAgx)

53 || Doctor Zhivago is a Christmas movie, fight me!

Actually, that reminds me: Next time is the 18th of December and I thought I'd do another round-up of lesser known Christmas movies.

Suggestions welcome!

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:13 PM (asXVI)

54 Was looking for a link to watch The Best Years . . . last night. No luck and not paying bezo.

I miss what TCM used to be. I cancelled them. They have gone to pot.

Posted by: Infidel at November 27, 2021 08:14 PM (LZkdC)

55
Who's the other dame in the pic with Myrna Loy?

Is it...Myrna Loy?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 08:14 PM (0EcY/)

56 I've never watched Scrooged. Is it a good adaptation?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a headache at November 27, 2021 08:14 PM (OYUie)

57 I really liked how they showed Antonio Banderas's character slowly learning the language.
Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 27, 2021 08:13 PM (CAJOC)

I liked how they portrayed the vikings. First part of the movie, they are shown as drunken, rough louts. The 'second' they land where they are going they put their game faces on. They start picking out details about the situation as they ride into the village and Banderas' character is like 'wha?'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:15 PM (csEWM)

58 The part that stayed with me in The Best Years of Our Lives was the fight in the department store over the necessity of the war. Sounded like Pat Buchanan.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:15 PM (iXJM1)

59 Started watching The Best Years of Our Lives this week but couldn't get into it. I'll give it a rest and try again later.

Just finished watching Terry Gilliam's "Masterpiece" Brazil. Thought I had seen it years ago and liked it but turns out I hadn't. Very underwhelmed by the movie. I just had the sudden thought that Gattaca is a much better version of what Gilliam was trying to accomplish than Brazil, which is weird because Gilliam didn't direct Gattaca. Which now makes me want to re-watch Gattaca.

Just for shits and giggles I watched The Big Hit last night with Marky Mark, Lou D. Phillips, Christina Applegate and Elliott Gould. I never fail to howl at that movie.

Maybe I am a philistine who doesn't appreciate fine art.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 08:15 PM (M8yB3)

60 Dana Andrews was an actor's actor. It took me a long time to appreciate him, he's so low key. Now he's one of my favorite actors.

Posted by: JuJuBee at November 27, 2021 08:15 PM (mNhhD)

61 56 I've never watched Scrooged. Is it a good adaptation?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a headache at November 27, 2021 08:14 PM (OYUie)

'Have you tried staples?' is a good line.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:15 PM (csEWM)

62
Suggestions welcome!
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:13 PM (asXVI)


Red is a Christmas movie. I mean, at least, it takes place during Christmas.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 27, 2021 08:16 PM (P9T5R)

63 "Suggestions welcome!"

"Remember the Night" Stanwyck and McMurray

Posted by: Tuna at November 27, 2021 08:16 PM (gLRfa)

64 I think Uncle Buck should have won an Academy Award but I'm in the very small minority of those that really didn't care for Planes , Trains and Automobiles.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:16 PM (iXJM1)

65 I've never watched Scrooged. Is it a good adaptation?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a headache


No. Murry acts like he did it because of blackmail...and it just tries too hard.

Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 08:17 PM (r1z5A)

66 https://moviegique.com/- The Homecoming, the original Waltons movie is one of the best Christmas movies out there, the children actors are excellent and the story is timeless

Posted by: Creek at November 27, 2021 08:17 PM (29OXW)

67 I don't know if Scrooged! is a good adaptation, but it made me laugh!

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 08:17 PM (evAgx)

68 Actually, that reminds me: Next time is the 18th of December and I thought I'd do another round-up of lesser known Christmas movies.

Suggestions welcome!
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:13 PM (asXVI)

well, there are two I always favor - Christmas in Connecticut and...The Sea (Directed by Baltasar Kormakur).

Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 08:17 PM (V13WU)

69 Maybe I am a philistine who doesn't appreciate fine art.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 08:15 PM (M8yB3)

No the Big Hit was hilarious. Lou Diamond was the best.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:18 PM (iXJM1)

70 Love that movie. Jimmy Stewart was right.

Posted by: vin at November 27, 2021 08:18 PM (Z1u3S)

71 Stanwyck is one of my favs.

Posted by: Infidel at November 27, 2021 08:18 PM (LZkdC)

72 Mother928's alma mater is playing Oklahoma State, and Father928's is playing Clemson right now.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a headache at November 27, 2021 08:18 PM (OYUie)

73
I've never watched Scrooged. Is it a good adaptation?
Posted by: G'rump928(c)


I didn't like it. A bit too modern. So modern, the "spirit" of the Christmas Carol wasn't realized.

Last I heard, "comedian" Kevin Hart was set to be in a remake of Scrooged. Pass.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 08:18 PM (0EcY/)

74 Lizzy,

You're absolutely right: The only "serious" holiday movies anymore deal with dysfunction and how bad Western civilizaton is.

The great movies of the past--routinely derided in the Boomer generation for being schmaltzy--tackled really hard subjects ("It's A Wonderful Life," anyone?) but inclined toward a heroic take: Keep on going, keep the faith, be grateful, be helpful, etc.

In the past 50 years it's all "look out for #1", "dog-eat-dog", "it's okay because the other guy's a bastard." Or it's a straight-up fantasy of the kind the Golden Age movies were accused of being.

They literally =can't= make a good drama any more, and it's getting to where they can't make a good movie, period.

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:18 PM (asXVI)

75 "In an excess of decency, he wants to free his best girl Wilma (Cathy O'Donnell) from feeling obliged to stay with him while she struggles to make him realize her feelings haven't changed."

I would disagree that this is an "excess of decency." Try to imagine yourself in his shoes. You have an awful disability. Your girlfriend fell in love with you before you had this disability. You don't want to marry someone who feels obligated to marry you just because they had promised to before these new circumstances came about. You want to be sure they know how difficult life will be when dealing with the situation before they make the final commitment to share your life with you.

Inside, you secretly hope and pray that the girl says she understands how tough it will be and yet still wants to be with you. But you want to give her that out because your biggest fear is that some day after you're married, she says something like, "I didn't really want to marry you anyway, I only married you out of pity."

I know, because I've been in a similar situation. Any half-way decent man would do the same thing. (Even a quarter-decent one like me.)

Posted by: Rusty Trawler at November 27, 2021 08:18 PM (1gif2)

76 Christmas in Connecticut

One of my yearly Christmas favorites.

Posted by: Infidel at November 27, 2021 08:19 PM (LZkdC)

77 Nice movie review. Sounds like it is worth watching.Thanks.

Posted by: All-American Kestrel at November 27, 2021 08:19 PM (IDhUW)

78 I saw "The French Connection" for the first time this evening (I know, I know). I learned that the director never obtained permits to stage that epic car chase scene. They mapped out some of the route and directed traffic accordingly, but they deviated from the plan and just blasted through some actual traffic, with the attendant realistic fender benders.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at November 27, 2021 08:19 PM (Dc2NZ)

79 I finally got to see this film end to end on Veteran's Day this year. I was in the hospital, and TCM had obliged with some good films for the day. (The other networks seemed to have forgotten which day it was, very much unlike the Nineties.) It was very engaging and gripping. The story is so good, it's timeless. It would be just as relevant today in dealing with Iraqi and Afghan veterans as it would be with veterans of the Big One. Some things don't change, like what to do with Johnny after he came marching home. I don't think the ending was too pat, and actually a happy ending was required since to do otherwise would have been a serious downer.

Posted by: exdem13 at November 27, 2021 08:19 PM (W+kMI)

80 41 Doctor Zhivago is a Christmas movie, fight me!
Posted by: G'rump928(c)



Well, there is lots of snow. The elves are Bolsheviks though. That's a bummer.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 27, 2021 08:20 PM (sAmhv)

81 Infidel and anyone else who wants to watch it, The Best Years of Our Lives is at the Internet Archive:

https://archive.org/details/tbyool435345435110

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:20 PM (asXVI)

82 Christmas movie suggestion, though it isn't actually a movie, the original How the Grinch Stole Christmas, narrated by Boris Karloff.

Posted by: davidt at November 27, 2021 08:20 PM (0hbQ6)

83 Stalag 13 is a Christmas movie, but it's no Santa Claus Vs The Martians.

Posted by: f'd at November 27, 2021 08:20 PM (Tnijr)

84 And I understand and agree that Thanksgiving is the greatest of the secular holidays.

Posted by: All-American Kestrel at November 27, 2021 08:20 PM (IDhUW)

85 More evidence that I'm a philistine who doesn't appreciate fine art: I watched the "Iconic" 12 Monkeys for the first time last week and could barely sit though it.

*lightly taps skull*

Maybe time to give movies a rest until I'm in a better mood and relax and read some of the 400 titles I have on my Kindle.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 08:20 PM (M8yB3)

86 Stalag 13 is a Christmas movie, but it's no Santa Claus Vs The Martians.
Posted by: f'd

In a weird way, so is Donovan's Reef starring the Duke.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 27, 2021 08:21 PM (rz+/y)

87 I still enjoy Santa Claus And The Three Bears.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:21 PM (L2ZTs)

88 Stalag 13 is a Christmas movie, but it's no Santa Claus Vs The Martians.
Posted by: f'd at November 27, 2021 08:20 PM (Tnijr)



I liked the part where Santa was eating the hearts of the vanquished Martians.

Saint Nick was hardcore.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a headache at November 27, 2021 08:21 PM (OYUie)

89 13th Warrior. Awesome film.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:03 PM (csEWM)


The Viking's communal drinking bowl in the movie kind of turned me off a bit.

Posted by: Javems at November 27, 2021 08:22 PM (NM16+)

90 42:Erik Estrada


His career went south, to Mexico. He acted in the soap operas down there (or whatever they are called).

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 27, 2021 08:22 PM (sAmhv)

91 13th Warrior. Awesome film.

Posted by: Aetius451AD


Whoa. I just started reading the Tolkien translation of Beowulf late last night (3 a.m. insomnia). Perhaps I should watch The 13th Warrior before jumping back into the read.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 08:22 PM (M8yB3)

92 The Big Hit! I remember liking that flick.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at November 27, 2021 08:22 PM (Dc2NZ)

93 21 From the director of Rebecca?
Ugh. That movie about put me to sleep.
Posted by: Cow Demon - The Spice Must Flow at November 27, 2021 08:06 PM (CdZ4i)

Wow CD, that's unfortunate.

There are a number of good performances: Mrs Danvers became the archetype of the evil housekeeper.

George Sanders was his unctuous best here as well, only topped by his star turn in "All about Eve".

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 08:22 PM (BgMrQ)

94 27 Making a solid quality movie about Cheerleaders being sentenced to a bikini chain gang due to Spring Break hijinks is a lost art.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here

After the loss of DeMille, the genre was doomed.
Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 08:07 PM (r1z5A)

And no modern Snow Ski Sex Comedies either. Shit, could write that script myself... 62 year old guy, divorced, Colorado, trying to recapture both his youth, and romance.

Oh, wait... that's my dream Vacation this winter...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 27, 2021 08:23 PM (oHd/0)

95 Trading Places is a Christmas Movie, right?

Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 08:23 PM (r1z5A)

96 I don't think the ending was too pat, and actually a happy ending was required since to do otherwise would have been a serious downer.
Posted by: exdem13 at November 27, 2021 08:19 PM (W+kMI)

I don't even think it's really a "happy" ending; it's just that Dana Andrews' character comes to grips with the fact that the War is over, his old life as a Captain is gone with it, and he's got to go on living however he can.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 08:23 PM (evAgx)

97 This is the time of the year that I laugh out loud at inappropriate time during It's a Wonderful Life. At least to anyone who is watching it with me.

It's the scene where George buys a lot of newspapers because Harry is on the front page for being a hero in WW2. When he shows the paper to Bert and Ernie headline reads

HARRY BAILEY WINS CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF HONOR

All I can think of is the morons at aos having a fit at the wording.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:23 PM (iXJM1)

98 Trading Places is a Christmas Movie, right?


Yesss!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a headache at November 27, 2021 08:23 PM (OYUie)

99 Another suggestion" The Bishop's Wife" Loretta Young, Cary Grant, David Niven

Posted by: Tuna at November 27, 2021 08:23 PM (gLRfa)

100 52 Tom, there's an M3 on static display in front of Fort Chaffee HQ.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 27, 2021 08:23 PM (C1Lsn)

101 ||Who's the other dame in the pic with Myrna Loy?

Teresa Wright. She plays the daughter, although she's 28 and Loy is 41, I believe. She does a good 19-20yo, though. Andrews, OTOH, at 30-something is a little old for his role. But it all works.

||I've never watched Scrooged. Is it a good adaptation?

It was right on the cusp of when Murray was going from "irredeemable jerk" and "jerk who could be redeemed", and he doesn't pull it off as well here as he does later. Whether you like it, though, probably depends a lot on how much you enjoy Mr. Mike ("here's my impression of Elvis getting hot needles stabbed into his eyes") Donoghue's humor.

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:24 PM (asXVI)

102 His career went south, to Mexico. He acted in the soap operas down there (or whatever they are called).
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 27, 2021 08:22 PM (sAmhv)

Telenovela?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:24 PM (csEWM)

103 I am not opposed to Dr. Zhivago the movie, but I always thought that casting Omar Sharif as Zhivago is a serious mistake.

Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 08:24 PM (V13WU)

104
I went to the high seas to pirate bay for Ghostbusters Afterlife just to see the end. I was curious to see the reunion of the Ghostbusters. (They literally show up out of nowhere. Way to go, film.)

Maybe I missed something from not watching the whole movie, but Bill Murray was terrible. He delivered a corny cameo reminiscent of an old SNL skit. Dan Akroyd is a bad actor, too. Ernie Hudson was good, though.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 08:25 PM (0EcY/)

105 from a novella/poem

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Another WWII movie based on a novella/poem is Beach Red about Marines invading a Japanese occupied island.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beach_Red

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 27, 2021 08:25 PM (FVME7)

106 For me, Michael Jackson's Thriller video is kind of a Christmas movie.

(Seems like it was playing everywhere at Christmastime 1983, when it premiered.)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:25 PM (L2ZTs)

107 Gremlins is a Christmas movie.

Posted by: davidt at November 27, 2021 08:26 PM (0hbQ6)

108 I watched Bogart in Sahara about a week ago. Really enjoyed that.

Now to read the content more carefully.
Blutarski, I think, think, you recommended The Trip a week or so back. Maybe it was not you. Thank you. That was interesting and excellent. Really my style.

Posted by: MikeM


Sahara is one I've been meaning to revisit for years.

Is The Trip the one about a married couple who go on vacation planning to murder each other and something something hijinks interrupt their plans? Where did you watch that?

Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 08:26 PM (M8yB3)

109 I watched the third Pysch movie but kept getting called away so i need to watch it again. My sense was they wanted to wrap up some stuff, include all major characters, and keep the Pysch feel. Definitely good enough to watch again.

I guess there is a movie This is Us, but i haven't seen it so I don't know if they were spoofing that a bit.

Posted by: All-American Kestrel at November 27, 2021 08:27 PM (IDhUW)

110 Thank you. That was interesting and excellent. Really my style.

Posted by: MikeM

I'm so glad you liked it!

Not a Christmas movie, though.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 27, 2021 08:27 PM (rz+/y)

111 Dang, I figured that Scrooged would get more love here. I liked it overall though I found the final monologue rather cringey. Then again, I also dig Brazil and 12 Monkeys so take that into consideration.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 27, 2021 08:27 PM (DTX3h)

112 With Teresa Wright in "Pride of the Yankees", I knew that Lou Gehrig was the luckiest man in the world

Posted by: SMOD at November 27, 2021 08:28 PM (X5CsJ)

113 trying to come up with a lesser known Christmas movie, but all I'm coming up with are some old Christmas specials I watched as a kid:

The Bear Who Slept Through Christmas
The Tiny Tree
The Flinstones (not their Christmas Carol one, but the one where Fred becomes Santa Claus)
Fat Albert.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 27, 2021 08:28 PM (CAJOC)

114 Sidenote--
||The part that stayed with me in The Best Years of Our Lives was the fight in the department store over the necessity of the war. Sounded like Pat Buchanan.

I actually didn't disagree with anything that guy said, except for the implication that we should have fought on the Nazi side.

Juju--
|| Dana Andrews was an actor's actor. It took me a long time to appreciate him, he's so low key.

Me, too! He actually had a pretty good range, e.g. between this and "The Ox-Bow Incident". I think ends up hard-boiled in a lot of his roles, a la "Laura".

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:28 PM (asXVI)

115 Oh, and Mr 'Gique...

I love TBYoOL. . Thanks for highlighting the movie this week.

You might take a run at "Mr. Blanding's Dream House".

Who doesn't love them some Cary Grant, and Myrna Loy.

My "ex" handed out CD's of the movie to her kitchen and bath design clients, just to get them into the home renovation mood.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 08:28 PM (BgMrQ)

116 >>> 104
.....
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 08:25 PM (0EcY/)

Spoiler! REEEE!!!

...not really, the preview teases this.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 27, 2021 08:29 PM (llON8)

117 >>Actually, that reminds me: Next time is the 18th of December and I thought I'd do another round-up of lesser known Christmas movies.


"Trapped in Paradise"
"The Ref" (yeah, it has the 'poke the normie' sensibility, but for some reason I like this one)

Posted by: Lizzy at November 27, 2021 08:29 PM (bDqIh)

118 Here's some blasphemy for you.

Any other Christmas movie > A Christmas Story

Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:29 PM (iXJM1)

119 Excellent movie post moviegique. Thanks.

Loved TBDoOL as it always reminded me of a few guys I worked with immediately after HS in a cement plant in a very small town. It was years later that I realized some of the town gals reflected the women in the film also.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 27, 2021 08:29 PM (mD/uy)

120 Trying to get a brand new 60" tv out of the box. The box is lying flat on the rug. Our 80 lb. dog just walked across the box, right over the screen. Oy Vey. Everybody went oh shit. Luckily she didn't damage it. Can't wait to watch some movies on this thing.

Posted by: JuJuBee at November 27, 2021 08:29 PM (mNhhD)

121 Lara's Theme is one of my snow shoveling tunes

Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 08:30 PM (2JoB8)

122 More evidence that I'm a philistine who doesn't appreciate fine art: I watched the "Iconic" 12 Monkeys for the first time last week and could barely sit though it.

*lightly taps skull*

Maybe time to give movies a rest until I'm in a better mood and relax and read some of the 400 titles I have on my Kindle.
~~~
Ive wondered about watching this. Sometimes the iconic isn't all that great.

Posted by: All-American Kestrel at November 27, 2021 08:30 PM (IDhUW)

123 Stalag 13 is a Christmas movie
Posted by: f'd

Isn't that Stalag 17, with the esteemed JJ Sefton, or did I miss a few prequels?

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at November 27, 2021 08:30 PM (sIxXb)

124 Another subtle point in "Best Years of Our Lives" - the man who is crippled is able to adapt to his injuries and build a life, Dana Andrews is able to accept that he's lost everything (including his wife) and can start over - but the one who does *not* adapt is the Banker who seemingly has everything; money, wife, status. He becomes a hopeless drunk that everyone has to cover for.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 08:30 PM (evAgx)

125
The point of A Christmas Carol was the reader/viewer felt a soul was saved at the end. You don't feel like that at the end of Scrooged.

You're like, okay, Bill Murray is not a piece of crap, anymore. Yay.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- "fuck around and find out" at November 27, 2021 08:30 PM (0EcY/)

126 34 9 I'm reading Beowulf right now. What would you say is the best movie version of the story?
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:01 PM (L2ZTs)
13th Warrior. Awesome film.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:03 PM (csEWM)
----------------------------
I thought 13th Warrior was based on Crichton's Eaters of the Dead (which itself is supposed to be the "real events" that were the origin of the Beowulf story).
-----------
There were three Beowulf movies put out within a few years of each other in the Oughts. They all sucked. If you want something authentically Anglo-Saxon/Norse go to Amazon Video and watch Troll Hunter and Draugr. However, I will also echo {i]The Thirteenth Warrior as a decent adaptation of Crichton's novel. Crichton did an early attempt to investigate the historical origins of a historic legend poem that is still read today. He used the authentic chronicle of the Arab protagonist as a starting point, using him as the outsider looking in on the situation for our POV. Then elements from Teutonic-Anglo-Norse legend were added in, with an emphasis on the Beowulf poem, with a little prehistory for "facts".

Posted by: exdem13 at November 27, 2021 08:30 PM (W+kMI)

127 Jeremiah Johnson is on right now. Haven't seen it for decades. Wonder if it holds up?

Posted by: Infidel at November 27, 2021 08:31 PM (LZkdC)

128 102 His career went south, to Mexico. He acted in the soap operas down there (or whatever they are called).
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 27, 2021 08:22 PM (sAmhv)

Telenovela?
Posted by: Aetius451AD



I think that's it.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 27, 2021 08:31 PM (sAmhv)

129 I know, because I've been in a similar situation. Any half-way decent man would do the same thing. (Even a quarter-decent one like me.)
Posted by: Rusty Trawler at November 27, 2021 08:18 PM (1gif2)

Rusty! Sorry, yeah, I totally get it, and I was being rather glib there. He's got a lot going on and it's really clear why--and the quiet-but-heart-rending performance from Cathy O'Donnell creates that kind of emotional tension about how SHE feels.

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:31 PM (asXVI)

130 118 Here's some blasphemy for you.
Any other Christmas movie > A Christmas Story
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:29 PM (iXJM1)

***pulls out a chair for JASN***

Come sit by me!

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 08:31 PM (BgMrQ)

131 To me the star of Bogart's Sahara is the old M3 Lee tank they have. That was America's main battle tank when WW2 began, but it was replaced by the Sherman quickly, and as far as I know that's the only film that ever featured one. Most people have forgotten that it ever existed.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 08:13 PM (evAgx)


My Dad went into, and across, North Africa in an M-3. He lost two tanks, one to a mine and one at Kasserine Pass. Got a Sherman when they invaded Italy at Salerno.

Posted by: Javems at November 27, 2021 08:31 PM (NM16+)

132 Doctor Zhivago is a Christmas movie, fight me!
Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a headache

I thought more May Day.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 27, 2021 08:31 PM (FVME7)

133 Someone should do a remake, but set it in a farm. Think of the product placement!

Posted by: SFGoth at November 27, 2021 08:32 PM (KAi1n)

134 You might take a run at "Mr. Blanding's Dream House".

Who doesn't love them some Cary Grant, and Myrna Loy.

If you are ever seized with the urge to do a big remodel, watch that, and then watch "The Money Pit."

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 08:32 PM (evAgx)

135 Any other Christmas movie > A Christmas Story
Posted by: Just a side note

At dawn sir! The ground is chosen, now as to weapons...

Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 08:32 PM (r1z5A)

136 I do like the Thin Man movies

Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 08:32 PM (2JoB8)

137 Jeremiah Johnson is on right now. Haven't seen it for decades. Wonder if it holds up?

Posted by: Infidel


I watched it recently for free on YouTube, I thought it held up well.

Posted by: davidt at November 27, 2021 08:32 PM (0hbQ6)

138 42 ||From the director of Rebecca?

No, the writer. The director of "Rebecca" was Alfred Hitchcock. It won best picture. (I can't believe I forgot that detail.)

Later that summer I saw North by Northwest. They were seriously on a Hitchcock kick that summer.

And both Rebecca and North by Northwest sucked. MUCH better Hitchcock movies than that.

Posted by: Cow Demon - The Spice Must Flow at November 27, 2021 08:32 PM (CdZ4i)

139 Here's some blasphemy for you.

Any other Christmas movie > A Christmas Story
Posted by: Just a side note

Perhaps - but . . . . Today I was looking for a right sized cardboard box in the basement and the one I grabbed had a "Fragile" sticker on it's side.

Guess what I instantly thought of?

Posted by: Tonypete at November 27, 2021 08:32 PM (mD/uy)

140 exdem, thanks!

I still have yet to see A Christmas Story. I guess this is the year.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:33 PM (L2ZTs)

141 "Isn't that Stalag 17, with the esteemed JJ Sefton, or did I miss a few prequels?
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings "

I stand corrected. 13 was Hogans Heros. I claim uh, covid brain.

Posted by: f'd at November 27, 2021 08:34 PM (Tnijr)

142 130 118 Here's some blasphemy for you.
Any other Christmas movie > A Christmas Story
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:29 PM (iXJM1)

***pulls out a chair for JASN***

Come sit by me!
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 08:31 PM (BgMrQ)


Hey, can I hang out with y'all? I've got Kirkland eggnog!

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 27, 2021 08:34 PM (DTX3h)

143 There were three Beowulf movies put out within a few years of each other in the Oughts. They all sucked. If you want something authentically Anglo-Saxon/Norse go to Amazon Video and watch Troll Hunter and Draugr. However, I will also echo {i]The Thirteenth Warrior as a decent adaptation of Crichton's novel. Crichton did an early attempt to investigate the historical origins of a historic legend poem that is still read today. He used the authentic chronicle of the Arab protagonist as a starting point, using him as the outsider looking in on the situation for our POV. Then elements from Teutonic-Anglo-Norse legend were added in, with an emphasis on the Beowulf poem, with a little prehistory for "facts".
Posted by: exdem13 at November 27, 2021 08:30 PM (W+kMI)

------------------

Trollhunter was on Netflix for a while (might still be there). I highly recommend it.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at November 27, 2021 08:34 PM (CAJOC)

144 I think it's mostly real but these WWII movies out of Russia are doing a very good job if real or CGI with period equipment.

Posted by: Skip



Are there some new titles you can recommend? I keep seeing the same movie about 28 infantrymen holding off the Germans at their furthest advance just being retitled.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 08:34 PM (M8yB3)

145 Jeremiah Johnson is on right now. Haven't seen it for decades. Wonder if it holds up?
Posted by: Infidel at November 27, 2021 08:31 PM (LZkdC)

I've only watched it over two dozen times so I'm a little biased on whether it holds up.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:34 PM (iXJM1)

146 If you are ever seized with the urge to do a big remodel, watch that, and then watch "The Money Pit."
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 08:32 PM (evAgx)

My "ex" wanted them TO DO THE PROJECT...not run away in horror...lol.

She had thought of it but decided against it.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 08:34 PM (BgMrQ)

147 TCM is running It! The Terror from Beyond Space from 1958 which is basically the Alien plotline, remarkably similar. Then it looks like they're going to run the original Alien. Compare and contrast!

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 27, 2021 08:34 PM (rz+/y)

148 Ugh. Black and white movies. While I'm sure many have redeeming features, I grew up in an age where all we had was a 13" B&W TV. When I found out that many of the shows were originally in Freakin' Color, color me sad.

When I took a gal (very rare date) to Young Frankenstein, and belatedly discovered it was all in B&W, I walked out, demanded my money back (denied, the pricks); a victim of the artsy-fartsy B&W cult.

I will not watch a B&W flick. It's... personal.

Evening, y'all.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 27, 2021 08:34 PM (F0YaR)

149 I thought more May Day.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 27, 2021 08:31 PM (FVME7)


Da, Comrade Wrecks!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at November 27, 2021 08:35 PM (hOUT3)

150 Isn't that Stalag 17, with the esteemed JJ Sefton, or did I miss a few prequels?
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings


Wasn't going to say anything...rivalry weekend, alcohol, honest mistake.

Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 08:35 PM (r1z5A)

151 Girls un Panzer series uses a Lee as one of the tanks

Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 08:35 PM (2JoB8)

152 Is The Trip the one about a married couple who go on vacation planning to murder each other and something something hijinks interrupt their plans? Where did you watch that?
Posted by: Sharkman
Yes, that is the one. It is on NetFlix.

Posted by: MikeM at November 27, 2021 08:36 PM (QMG4P)

153 browndog, re home remodels, I just watched this. It made me laugh!

https://tinyurl.com/2p9yzcsm

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:36 PM (L2ZTs)

154 That is one seriously great cast. Dana Andrews is one of the more tragic figures in film. Great actor, great screen presence, drank himself into oblivion.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 08:36 PM (KZzsI)

155 ||The part that stayed with me in The Best Years of Our Lives was the fight in the department store over the necessity of the war. Sounded like Pat Buchanan.

I actually didn't disagree with anything that guy said, except for the implication that we should have fought on the Nazi side.

Pat Buchanan's book - I believe the title is Churchill's Unnecessary War" (?) - deserves to be used as toilet paper. He calls Stalin a genius politician in there. Yeah, you'd be a genius politician too if you could simply kill your opposition. (Further cementing my image of Buchanan as being a blithering idiot.)

Posted by: Cow Demon - The Spice Must Flow at November 27, 2021 08:36 PM (CdZ4i)

156 Here's some blasphemy for you.
Any other Christmas movie > A Christmas Story
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:29 PM (iXJM1)
***pulls out a chair for JASN***
Come sit by me!
Posted by: browndog

*pulls out a folding chair*

*launches off the top turnbuckle*

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at November 27, 2021 08:36 PM (sIxXb)

157 Thanks davidt, he is just now trying to feed the crazy lady who's family id deado.

Posted by: Infidel at November 27, 2021 08:37 PM (LZkdC)

158 Jeremiah Johnson is on right now. Haven't seen it for decades. Wonder if it holds up?

Hint: yes

Its one of Survivorman's favorite movies

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 08:37 PM (KZzsI)

159 Isn't that Stalag 17, with the esteemed JJ Sefton, or did I miss a few prequels?
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings "

They could have done without the Christmas party dance . Sorry, GIs may have jitterbugged or done something similar with each other as fun but slow dancing was out of the question.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:37 PM (iXJM1)

160 lesser known Christmas movies.

-
The true meaning of Christmas.

https://bit.ly/3DZjr3R

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 27, 2021 08:38 PM (FVME7)

161 *pulls out a folding chair*

*launches off the top turnbuckle*
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at November 27, 2021 08:36 PM (sIxXb)

***rolls to the side, tags Bobo Brazil***

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 08:39 PM (BgMrQ)

162 Tuna--
||Another suggestion" The Bishop's Wife" Loretta Young, Cary Grant, David Niven||

Covered it last Christmas!

||You might take a run at "Mr. Blanding's Dream House". Who doesn't love them some Cary Grant, and Myrna Loy.||

One of my all-time favorites. I think I even covered on the Saturday Evening Movie Thread three years ago. "Blandings" for me is kind of an eye-opener.

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:39 PM (asXVI)

163 91 13th Warrior. Awesome film.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
Whoa. I just started reading the Tolkien translation of Beowulf late last night (3 a.m. insomnia). Perhaps I should watch The 13th Warrior before jumping back into the read.
======
A new edition came out last year, but I'm sure the Professor would be pleased that you were reading his version. I own the Seamus Haney version, and it works for me. Keep on reading anyway; Beowulf's story is his own, and the movie sort of follows the novel which sort of follows the framework of the epic poem. Bonus points if you recognize the old story beats though. The real follow-up is Tolkien's essay "Beowulf: The Monsters and the Critics", which pretty much changed the way scholars addressed the work.

Posted by: exdem13 at November 27, 2021 08:39 PM (W+kMI)

164 Then it looks like they're going to run the original Alien. Compare and contrast!
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly


Aliens on TCM!!?? I saw it at the theater...like two years ago...(checks year, oh shit)

Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 08:39 PM (r1z5A)

165 He calls Stalin a genius politician in there. Yeah, you'd be a genius politician too if you could simply kill your opposition.

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Candygram for Mr. Trotsky!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 27, 2021 08:40 PM (FVME7)

166 One of my all-time favorites. I think I even covered on the Saturday Evening Movie Thread three years ago. "Blandings" for me is kind of an eye-opener.
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:39 PM (asXVI)

My memory ain't what it used to be. Do you have a link perchance???

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 08:40 PM (BgMrQ)

167 When young Homer Simpson was on 42nd Street they were playing "Jeremiah's Johnson".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at November 27, 2021 08:41 PM (Dc2NZ)

168 127 Jeremiah Johnson is on right now. Haven't seen it for decades. Wonder if it holds up?
Posted by: Infidel



I watched it again last year and still liked it a lot and I don't even like Robert Redford. The Canadian Rockies were beautiful. The side characters were awesome and the mediocrity that is Bob Redford was solved by giving him like one paragraph of lines. He didn't say much in the movie. I thought Bronson would have been better in that role.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 27, 2021 08:41 PM (sAmhv)

169 Alien is on TCM at 9pm, saw most of A Bridge Too Far this afternoon

Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 08:41 PM (2JoB8)

170 A pretty good Hitchcock that also provides a nice dose of Teresa Wright is Shadow of a Doubt -- Wright is terrific here, as is Joseph Cotten, and the sequence where Cotten spells out for Wright his vision of what people are like has lost none of its power to chill.

And if you like 1950s monster movies, It! the Terror from Beyond Space still holds up nicely (if you can disregard the likely effects of some of the weapons they're firing off inside the ship).

Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 27, 2021 08:41 PM (JzDjf)

171 Stalag 13 was a parody based on Stalag 17

Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:41 PM (iXJM1)

172 Myrna Loy's father died in the pandemic of 1918.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 27, 2021 08:41 PM (KAi1n)

173 Stalin... I am sure genius is not the right word. The coldest and most ruthless bastard of the 20th century maybe- and he had a LOT of competition.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:41 PM (csEWM)

174 Lesser known Christmas movie:

Holiday Affair (1949) with Robert Mitchum and Janet Leigh.

Posted by: JuJuBee at November 27, 2021 08:42 PM (mNhhD)

175 Is The Trip the one about a married couple who go on vacation planning to murder each other and something something hijinks interrupt their plans? Where did you watch that?
Posted by: Sharkman
Yes, that is the one.
~~~
Sounds funny. Reminds me of not wanting fiction to be to like realism. Sometimes we want an escape from reality.

Posted by: All-American Kestrel at November 27, 2021 08:42 PM (IDhUW)

176 This is one of my favorite movies. It shows the sacrifices that we're made without gore. And a happy ending.
Myrna Loy so often played the perfect wife. She commented that in real life she wasn't. Married several times although her last marriage lasted many years. A beautiful woman. The first Thin Man movie in particular. She was stunning.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 27, 2021 08:42 PM (2NHgQ)

177 @52 To me the star of Bogart's Sahara is the old M3 Lee tank they have. That was America's main battle tank when WW2 began, but it was replaced by the Sherman quickly, and as far as I know that's the only film that ever featured one. Most people have forgotten that it ever existed.

----

The British used a bunch of them, too, though they were slightly different (and referred to as "Grants") from the final version that the US used during Operation Torch. When they were first introduced, the gun in the turret was a pop-gun. The one in the hull was nicer, but still not all that great due to the limited traverse and range. But the armor was something else at the time. The Gazela campaign opened with pretty much the entirety of the Afrika Korps panzers stumbling upon a squadron of nine Grant tanks. And the armor on the things was tough enough that some of the British tanks actually managed to successfully withdraw after fifteen minutes of combat.

Posted by: junior at November 27, 2021 08:42 PM (PTw5h)

178 When I was a boy, the greatest of the secular holidays--if you'll forgive the oxymoron--was Thanksgiving.

..


Ahem.

What are you now?

Posted by: I mean at November 27, 2021 08:43 PM (Z0UZu)

179 I still think Will Geer is the best character in Jeremiah Johnson

Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 08:43 PM (2JoB8)

180 If you liked 13th Warrior you'd probably like The Outlander.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:43 PM (iXJM1)

181 >>Sounds funny. Reminds me of not wanting fiction to be to like realism. Sometimes we want an escape from reality.


Yes!

Posted by: Lizzy at November 27, 2021 08:43 PM (bDqIh)

182 Holiday Affair (1949) with Robert Mitchum and Janet Leigh.
Posted by: JuJuBee

Another good one.

Posted by: Infidel at November 27, 2021 08:44 PM (LZkdC)

183 The Russians got a lot of Lee tanks early in the war

Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 08:44 PM (2JoB8)

184 180 If you liked 13th Warrior you'd probably like The Outlander.
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:43 PM (iXJM1)

Eh, interesting Idea. I like Jim Caviezel. Thought it just kind of missed the mark. Missing something.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:44 PM (csEWM)

185 Stalin... I am sure genius is not the right word. The coldest and most ruthless bastard of the 20th century maybe- and he had a LOT of competition.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:41 PM (csEWM)


I'd put him at #2 behind Mao.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:45 PM (iXJM1)

186 Tom Servo--
|| He becomes a hopeless drunk that everyone has to cover for. ||

No, no! At the end of the movie, he's drinking punch, un-spiked. And you can tell he's reforming, they just don't bang on that theme.

CD--
||He calls Stalin a genius politician in there. Yeah, you'd be a genius politician too if you could simply kill your opposition. (Further cementing my image of Buchanan as being a blithering idiot.)||

Holy Cow (Demon)! That sounds...I can't even.

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:45 PM (asXVI)

187 Stalin... I am sure genius is not the right word. The coldest and most ruthless bastard of the 20th century maybe- and he had a LOT of competition.
Posted by: Aetius451AD


His mass charges were the stuff of military legend.

Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 08:45 PM (r1z5A)

188 Stain was no genius. Just a psychopath with unlimited absolute power.

Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 08:45 PM (V13WU)

189 I liked the Indian who showed up and says he remembers Johnson as the guy who can't fish.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 08:46 PM (KZzsI)

190 Rare Exports is Christmas movie.

It is made in Finnish, and you know they know Santa and the north pole . . . And reindeer . . . And explosives.

https://youtu.be/9RQlikX4vvw

Posted by: Kindltot at November 27, 2021 08:46 PM (P9T5R)

191 @183 The Russians got a lot of Lee tanks early in the war

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Called them a coffin for seven brothers, iirc.

Of course, they were using T-34s. And everything (and I do mean *everything*) else available at the time was crap in comparison.

Posted by: junior at November 27, 2021 08:47 PM (PTw5h)

192 I'd put him at #2 behind Mao.
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:45 PM (iXJM1)

Hard to choose, and I do not know as much about the Chinese Civil war as I do early Soviet history, but I do not think Mao had quite as many allies that he shot in the back of the head on his way to consolidating power. Sure, as far as liquidating the proles, Mao takes the tiara.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:47 PM (csEWM)

193 *pulls out a folding chair*

*launches off the top turnbuckle*
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at November 27, 2021 08:36 PM (sIxXb)

***rolls to the side, tags Bobo Brazil***

~~~
*Sits in corner, watches cautiously. Keep that on your side of the room. I'm not going to engage in drama over a movie I haven't seen.*

Your "interaction" is probably more entertaining than the movie anyway

Posted by: All-American Kestrel at November 27, 2021 08:47 PM (IDhUW)

194 Lesser known Christmas movie:

Remember the Night (1940) with Fred MacMurray and Barbara Stanwyck.

Posted by: JuJuBee at November 27, 2021 08:47 PM (mNhhD)

195 The bald dude he found buried in the sand.

Posted by: Infidel at November 27, 2021 08:47 PM (LZkdC)

196 His mass charges were the stuff of military legend.
Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 08:45 PM (r1z5A)

Yeah, doing a military purge all the way down to the sergeant level on the eve of Barbarossa kind of puts lie to the 'Genius' contention.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:48 PM (csEWM)

197 @185 I'd put him at #2 behind Mao.

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Probably a toss-up either way. Both were brutal individuals who thought nothing of starving massive numbers of their own countrymen.

Posted by: junior at November 27, 2021 08:48 PM (PTw5h)

198 I liked the Indian who showed up and says he remembers Johnson as the guy who can't fish.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

The one line they'd cut today is when he sends the boy to check the traps and the yells to him to "keep you nose open. There might be Indians around!"

Couldn't say that today.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 27, 2021 08:49 PM (rz+/y)

199 I really can't stand Robert Redford but besides Bogart he's in two movies I've watched the most number of times.

Jeremiah Johnson and The Natural

And I'm no Bogart fanboi but he's coincidentally the star in five of my top ten movies list.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:49 PM (iXJM1)

200 178 When I was a boy,he greatest of the secular holidays--if you'll forgive the oxymoron--was Thanksgiving.

..


Ahem.

What are you now?
Posted by: I mean at November
~~~
Well, i guess these days one has to ask.

Posted by: All-American Kestrel at November 27, 2021 08:49 PM (IDhUW)

201 Jerimiah Johnson and Dr. Zhivago are similar in that the secondary characters were more interesting than the main ones. (Dr. Zhivago era Julie Christie was the most beautiful woman in the world)

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 27, 2021 08:49 PM (sAmhv)

202 Coming soon to a TV near you:

"A Breaking Bad Christmas"

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:49 PM (L2ZTs)

203 "Bad Santa".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at November 27, 2021 08:50 PM (Dc2NZ)

204 And I'm no Bogart fanboi but he's coincidentally the star in five of my top ten movies list.

Posted by: Just a side note

Not a fan of Redford either.

Posted by: Infidel at November 27, 2021 08:50 PM (LZkdC)

205 Yes, that is the one. It is on NetFlix.

Posted by: MikeM



Thanks.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 08:50 PM (M8yB3)

206 BrownDog--

I suck at finding my old posts here, but I "reprinted" on my blog here:

https://tinyurl.com/2p9cwk9u

I mean--
|| Ahem. What are you now?||
A man at the tender age of nearly 29 still deserves to be called a man.

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:51 PM (asXVI)

207 Dr. Zhivago era Julie Christie was the most beautiful woman in the world

-
Yeah, she was a cutie.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 27, 2021 08:51 PM (FVME7)

208 Posted by: junior at November 27, 2021 08:48 PM (PTw5h)

Mao's sexual perversions broke the tie for me.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:51 PM (iXJM1)

209 Ironically, if you don't like Robert Redford, you'd probably like All Is Lost.

He suffers through most of it.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:51 PM (L2ZTs)

210 "189 I liked the Indian who showed up and says he remembers Johnson as the guy who can't fish."


Paints His Shirt Red.

Posted by: davidt at November 27, 2021 08:52 PM (0hbQ6)

211 Christmas in Connecticut with Barbara Stanwyck, Sydney Greenstreet, S.Z. Sakall is one of our go to Christmas movies.

Posted by: Beartooth at November 27, 2021 08:52 PM (KTaZ8)

212 One Christmas movie I don't like is Christmas in Connecticut. Even though it's set at Christmas there's no Christmas-y feeling to it at all.

Posted by: JuJuBee at November 27, 2021 08:52 PM (mNhhD)

213 Myrna was also a homewrecker. In context, who in Hollywood didn't wreck some home once in awhile?

Posted by: SFGoth at November 27, 2021 08:52 PM (KAi1n)

214 The bald dude he found buried in the sand.
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Who was sitting on top of a fine steed.

Posted by: dartist at November 27, 2021 08:52 PM (+ya+t)

215 I can't stand Redford as a person but he's fine as an actor, and has a lot of screen charisma. I put guys like George Clooney in the same category.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 08:53 PM (KZzsI)

216 Not a fan of Redford either.
Posted by: Infidel

I didn't even like him as the angel of death in one of the Twilight Zone episodes (Nothing in the Dark).

Posted by: Tonypete at November 27, 2021 08:53 PM (mD/uy)

217 The Natural

And I'm no Bogart fanboi but he's coincidentally the star in five of my top ten movies list.

Posted by: Just a side note


The Natural and Top Gun would have made great 30 min. movies.

Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 08:53 PM (r1z5A)

218 Christopher, yup.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:53 PM (L2ZTs)

219 And Loy was knocked off her feet by a Dyke. It's true.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 27, 2021 08:54 PM (KAi1n)

220 211 Christmas in Connecticut with Barbara Stanwyck, Sydney Greenstreet, S.Z. Sakall is one of our go to Christmas movies.
Posted by: Beartooth at November 27, 2021 08:52 PM (KTaZ

212 One Christmas movie I don't like is Christmas in Connecticut. Even though it's set at Christmas there's no Christmas-y feeling to it at all.
Posted by: JuJuBee



Wow. This is kind of impressive.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 27, 2021 08:54 PM (sAmhv)

221 The Natural and Top Gun would have made great 30 min. movies.

I agree. That's a category in its own right, movies that should have been TV episodes. I love the Natural but its more padded than Hans und Frans on SNL. Pretty much anything M Night Shamalamadingdong does is the same way. ALL the Netflix Marvel shows.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 08:54 PM (KZzsI)

222 Puddleglum, hmmm.

Beartooth and JuJuBee: do you both like... bacon? ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:55 PM (L2ZTs)

223 Coming soon to a TV near you:

"A Breaking Bad Christmas"
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:49 PM (L2ZTs)


Featuring a solo performance of Jingle Bells by Hector Salamanca

Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 08:55 PM (mZUr4)

224 I never have seen TBYoOL.

Maybe when I retire.

I echo the recommendation by Blutarski to include Donovan's Reef. I loved that movie as a lad.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 08:55 PM (u82oZ)

225 Myrna was also a homewrecker. In context, who in Hollywood didn't wreck some home once in awhile?
Posted by: SFGoth

Gloria Grahame

No wait! Terrible example!!

Posted by: Tonypete at November 27, 2021 08:55 PM (mD/uy)

226 Redford looks like a melted candle now.

Posted by: JuJuBee at November 27, 2021 08:55 PM (mNhhD)

227 I was thinking of other movie lists you could have and discussing Redford made me think of top ten prison movies.

Brubaker was pretty good. I'll have to think about my list.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:55 PM (iXJM1)

228 And Loy was knocked off her feet by a Dyke. It's true.
Posted by: SFGoth at November 27, 2021 08:54 PM (KAi1n)


One should be careful around wiring

Posted by: Kindltot at November 27, 2021 08:55 PM (P9T5R)

229 @192 Hard to choose, and I do not know as much about the Chinese Civil war as I do early Soviet history, but I do not think Mao had quite as many allies that he shot in the back of the head on his way to consolidating power. Sure, as far as liquidating the proles, Mao takes the tiara.

----

Different paths to power, and different methods of holding power. Mao's method was primarily through using "self-criticisms" to humiliate the people around him. I suspect he enjoyed that more than he did killing them.

Posted by: junior at November 27, 2021 08:55 PM (PTw5h)

230 I think Myrna Loy's character in The Thin Man movies was not so far from her in real life.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 08:55 PM (KZzsI)

231 Doof, I recently saw Hector's final scene on Breaking Bad, on YouTube.

Let's just say I was... blown away. (Get it? Get it??)
;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (L2ZTs)

232 I was watching a movie the other day and a question came to me. Gyaos, bird or bat?

Posted by: f'd at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (Tnijr)

233 Kindltot--
||Rare Exports is Christmas movie.

Here's the list from last year:

https://moviegique.com/2021/01/christmas-ornaments/

The Shop Around The Corner (1940)
Holiday Inn (1942)
The Bishop's Wife (1947)
The Holly and the Ivy (1952)
White Christmas (1954)
[cont]

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (asXVI)

234 199 I really can't stand Robert Redford but besides Bogart he's in two movies I've watched the most number of times.
Jeremiah Johnson and The Natural
...
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:49 PM (iXJM1)

JASN...
Jeremiah is fine for what it is, but The Natural just blows.

And I say that as a Buffalonian who lived through that nonsense when it was filmed here.
I mean to start with, they fucked with the story so much as to make it laughable.

Not to mention the Redford was too damn old to play Roy Hobbs to begin with.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (BgMrQ)

235 158 Jeremiah Johnson is on right now. Haven't seen it for decades. Wonder if it holds up?

Hint: yes

Its one of Survivorman's favorite movies
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 08:37 PM (KZzsI)

You know that John Milius wrote most of the screenplay for that one, right?

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (evAgx)

236 Santa Claus Conquers The Martians (MST3K version)
Santa Claus (Rifftrax version)
"The Tick Loves Santa"
Joyeux Noel (2005)
In Bruges (200
Rare Exports (2010)
Krampus (2015)

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (asXVI)

237 >>I can't stand Redford as a person but he's fine as an actor, and has a lot of screen charisma.

Such a great voice for narration, too.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (bDqIh)

238 Donovan's Reef. Elizabeth Allen. Mmmmmm.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (csEWM)

239 I can't stand Redford as a person but he's fine as an actor, and has a lot of screen charisma. I put guys like George Clooney in the same category.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 08:53 PM (KZzsI)


Agree on both.

Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (mZUr4)

240 At the Tell household, we always watch the original "Miracle on 34th Street" on Thanksgiving Day. The first part of the movie is on Thanksgiving Day, so I tell myself it is a Thanksgiving movie. Last night Mrs Tell and I watched "The Thanksgiving Treasure." Sweet, made-for-TV movie from 1973. Jason Robards is in it. Well done; set in the 1940s. "Love your enemies" message without being over-sentimental.

Posted by: Martin Tell at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (Mvtxh)

241 I'm a little surprised Eddie Murphy never did a movie version of his Mister Rogers-in-the-hood spoof.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:57 PM (L2ZTs)

242 I thought the "conspiracy guy" in The Best Years of Our Lives was at least partly right in that he was anti-communist, and not very articulate, so he got punched out. It's been a while since I watched, so feel free to correct me.

Posted by: Pete in Texas at November 27, 2021 08:57 PM (q0L8k)

243 Mao's sexual perversions broke the tie for me.
Posted by: Just a side note

So many leftist assholes are perverts. My guess as to is that both leftism and perversion require psychopathy so they're pre-qualified plus they see themselves as saviors of the people so if they engage in a little kink, it all balances out.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 27, 2021 08:57 PM (FVME7)

244 Doof, I recently saw Hector's final scene on Breaking Bad, on YouTube.

Let's just say I was... blown away. (Get it? Get it??)
;-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (L2ZTs)


Yes - I see what you did there, haha!

Better Caul Saul > Breaking Bad

Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 08:57 PM (mZUr4)

245 Doof, that's what I've heard.

Does Better Caul Saul take place in the 1980s? That's the impression I've always had.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:58 PM (L2ZTs)

246 Never heard about Myrna's sexcapades but wouldn't be shocked the women went after her as well.

Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 08:58 PM (2JoB8)

247
Speaking of Gus Fring...

he recently had very nice things to say about Gina Carano.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 08:59 PM (0EcY/)

248 John Milius was a talented writer, better than he got credit for. He was one of those guys who could figure out a better way to say an old line and make it fresh. He hasn't had a lot of success lately but I still like him

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 08:59 PM (KZzsI)

249
Does Better Caul Saul take place in the 1980s? That's the impression I've always had.
Posted by: qdpsteve


More like 2002. I think.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 09:00 PM (0EcY/)

250 Jeremiah Johnson is on right now. Haven't seen it for decades. Wonder if it holds up?

We vacationed with all Li'l Blutarskis in Breckenridge, CO this summer and I MADE the family watch Jeremiah Johnson.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 27, 2021 09:00 PM (rz+/y)

251 Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (BgMrQ)

I never read the book so I had no expectations. He may have been too old based on the book but the movie acknowledged his age. I loved that it followed the feel good hero ending .

Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 09:00 PM (iXJM1)

252 My wife's sister was a dead ringer for Myrna Loy which is funny because my wife was a dead ringer for Linda Carter, aka Wonder Woman.

Posted by: Beartooth at November 27, 2021 09:00 PM (KTaZ8)

253 Doof, I recently saw Hector's final scene on Breaking Bad, on YouTube.

Let's just say I was... blown away. (Get it? Get it??)
;-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (L2ZTs)



That rings a bell with me.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a headache at November 27, 2021 09:00 PM (OYUie)

254 I think Mao had more in common with China's infamous "First Emperor" than with anyone else. He was also a megalomaniac who ended up going insane. (and killing a WHOLE lot of people along the way)

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 09:00 PM (evAgx)

255 I'm a little surprised Eddie Murphy never did a movie version of his Mister Rogers-in-the-hood spoof.

"Well I would have but my kids wouldn't like it"
--Eddie Murphy hiding in the basement so his kids won't beat him up

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:01 PM (KZzsI)

256 Good Christmas movie I just saw called "It Happened On 5th Avenue". Homeless squatters stay in mansions that have been boarded up for the season. Ends with the real owner celebrating Christmas and New Years with them.

Posted by: dartist at November 27, 2021 09:01 PM (+ya+t)

257 Lesser know Christmas movies: Arthur Christmas
The kids love it, but of course we raised them on Wallace and Grommitt. The WWI gtand-santa is hilarious.

If you like Myrna Loy and Cary Grant then Bachelor and the Bobbysoxer is a must.

Finally, just finished a wonderful, free course on WW2 at Hillsdale College.

Posted by: Boymom at November 27, 2021 09:01 PM (O5Ll7)

258 It isn't really a Christmas movie but it has Christmas themes and some scenes in it: My Man Godfrey, one of my favorite depression-era films

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:02 PM (KZzsI)

259 The Holly and the Ivy (1952) is one I'm not familiar with. I'll try to find it. It's nice to find a Christmas movie you haven't seen 50 times.

Posted by: JuJuBee at November 27, 2021 09:02 PM (mNhhD)

260 Mrs Doof and I watched The Hurt Locker (2009, Jeremy Renner and Anthony Mackie) today. It won a bunch of Oscars and was highly rated by both of the Rotten Tomato things. The movie was recommended by friends of ours last weekend (we're all watching the new Jeremy Renner show - Mayor of Kingstown).

We just didn't get it. Neither of us thought there was any "there" there. The movie just didn't seem to have a point. Army bomb techs in Iraq. Various situations. No real story.

Anyone have insight on what we missed??

Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 09:02 PM (mZUr4)

261 The recent The Green Knight is a Christmas movie.

Posted by: davidt at November 27, 2021 09:02 PM (0hbQ6)

262
More like 2002. I think.

Maybe 1998, at the earliest, for season 1.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 09:03 PM (0EcY/)

263 Good Christmas movie I just saw called "It Happened On 5th Avenue". Homeless squatters stay in mansions that have been boarded up for the season. Ends with the real owner celebrating Christmas and New Years with them.
Posted by: dartist

That is a good one too!

Posted by: Infidel at November 27, 2021 09:03 PM (LZkdC)

264 I'm a little surprised Eddie Murphy never did a movie version of his Mister Rogers-in-the-hood spoof.
Posted by: qdpsteve


From your lips to a Disney execs ears.

Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 09:03 PM (r1z5A)

265 Doof, I recently saw Hector's final scene on Breaking Bad, on YouTube.

Let's just say I was... blown away. (Get it? Get it??)
;-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:56 PM (L2ZTs)

That rings a bell with me.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a headache at November 27, 2021 09:00 PM (OYUie)


LOL

Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 09:04 PM (mZUr4)

266 Well, not every movie that happens to be set during the holiday season is a Christmas movie, despite the claims of many. It has to have Christmas themes and morals as well, not just a date on a calendar.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:04 PM (KZzsI)

267 Doof me either, seen it twice hoping something grabs me but it didn't.

Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 09:04 PM (2JoB8)

268 Lesser known Christmas movie:

The Great Rupert (1950)

Rupert is a squirrel.

Posted by: JuJuBee at November 27, 2021 09:04 PM (mNhhD)

269 ||I thought the "conspiracy guy" in The Best Years of Our Lives was at least partly right in that he was anti-communist, and not very articulate, so he got punched out. It's been a while since I watched, so feel free to correct me||

It's hard to keep track of the conspiracy theories which are accepted these days, but I didn't disagree with the guy, except on the basic principle of not telling a guy who had lost his hands and a lot of his friends that they were suckers.

It's kind of like I love a good moon-landing conspiracy theory, but if I started yelling it at Buzz Aldrin and calling him a coward, I'd deserve a punch in the snout.

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 09:04 PM (asXVI)

270 I loved that it followed the feel good hero ending .
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 09:00 PM (iXJM1)

Let us say that the ending of the book was not so sunny...

Which explains why they changed it.

Roy is either an "anti-hero" or a "tragic hero" in the book...depends on your point of view. Me I go with anti-hero.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:05 PM (BgMrQ)

271 Literally, Eddie Murphy only does stuff for his kids now, and is basically ruled by them. He's denounced his comedy routines, makes awful goofy films so his kids will like them, etc.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:05 PM (KZzsI)

272 248 John Milius was a talented writer, better than he got credit for. He was one of those guys who could figure out a better way to say an old line and make it fresh. He hasn't had a lot of success lately but I still like him
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 08:59 PM (KZzsI)

The Coen Bro's were always good friends of John Milius, and everyone who knows him agrees that Walter Sobchak (Big Lebowski) is an absolutely spot-on portrayal of Milius.

A guy you like but who also drives every one around him nuts, because he switches back and forth between being a genius and being completely insane every other sentence.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 09:05 PM (evAgx)

273 Mao moved on several provincial capitals and when they did not immediately surrender, he took the Mongols strategy and killed everyone in them after winning the sieges. This was his path to victory.

Mao instituted agricultural collectivism and the Great Leap Forward and established quotas for agricultural products, and doubled down after Khrushchev criticized Stalin's practices. Produce was stripped away from the farms and peasants starved and were executed for gleaning in harvested fields while the harvests were rotting in sidings because the train and road nets were useless.
When the famine began to gnaw at the cities and the elites, and protests began, Mao began purges and then initiated the Cultural Revolution, where every element of society began an internal revolution for doctrinal purity. Self criticism grew out of that, and the fighting was encouraged by Mao and his circle specifically because they would not then rebel against his rule.

as a side note, I think a lot of the Turnip-in-chief's advisers are Maoists in training, at least in strategy. The American Shining Path.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 27, 2021 09:06 PM (P9T5R)

274 Grump, ISWYDT

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 09:06 PM (L2ZTs)

275 Better Caul Saul > Breaking Bad
Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 08:57 PM (mZUr4)

Doof, that's what I've heard.

Does Better Caul Saul take place in the 1980s? That's the impression I've always had.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 08:58 PM (L2ZTs)


It takes place in the recent years before Breaking Bad. Season 1 is circa 2002/2003. Final season is upcoming. Very curious how they will wrap up / connect to BB. Especially the OUTSTANDING Kim Wexler character -- who never appears in BB.

Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 09:07 PM (mZUr4)

276 Hitler would never have invaded Poland, Norway, Denmark, Holland, Belgium and France if Stalin hadn't entered into the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. And of course Germany wouldn't have invaded the USSR if they hadn't been reading their press clippings about all those "easy" conquests and sniffing their own farts and dealing invincible. So when the Soviets whine that they bore the brunt of the War, I say: "fuck you, you had it coming."

On the other hand, there is some scholarship that says Stalin was gearing up to try to overrun Europe but that Hitler beat him to the punch. There was going to be a war of extermination in Europe the moment that both Hitler and Stalin had the keys to Germany and the USSR in their hands. I can't imagine a worse war than what actually happened, but it is possible that Stalin's entry into the M-R Pact guaranteed that the war of extermination occurred in Eastern Europe and the USSR rather than in Central and Western Europe.

If that makes any sense.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 09:07 PM (M8yB3)

277 143 There were three Beowulf movies put out within a few years of each other in the Oughts. They all sucked. If you want something authentically Anglo-Saxon/Norse go to Amazon Video and watch Troll Hunter and Draugr..
Posted by: exdem13 at November 27, 2021 08:30 PM (W+kMI)
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Trollhunter was on Netflix for a while (might still be there). I highly recommend it.
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Trollhunter is recommended to Tolkien fans and folklore/fantasy fans in general. It's about 3 Norwegian film students out to make a found footage film and they stumble into a current-day troll hunter who is a government employee (!) tasked with dealing with trolls which wander down from the mountain homelands. The trolls are wonderful beasts straight out of the old stories, and the action is great. Draugr is a Medieval thriller in which an agent of the King is sent to a mountain area which is suspected of backsliding into paganism. He doesn't know the half of it.... The film stands next to Japanese cinema in depicting the terror that ought to be associated by contact with the Angry Dead.

Posted by: exdem13 at November 27, 2021 09:07 PM (W+kMI)

278
btw, you can add Benedict Cumberpatch to your list of ignorant hollywood celerys to be ignored.

He's a lousy actor, too. He's got people bamboozled with his gay brit accent.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 09:07 PM (0EcY/)

279 I loved that it followed the feel good hero ending

The story that The Natural is based on (Eddie Waitkus) was very tragic. Guy was an amazing talent but things didn't work out so well.

But without that ending, the exploding light standards reflected in the manager's glasses, the swelling Randy Newman soundtrack ... The Natural would have been pretty dull and forgettable.

That is the one movie I've ever seen Glen Close in which she was appropriately cast in, though. Homespun kind of plain country lady.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:07 PM (KZzsI)

280
268 Lesser known Christmas movie:

The Great Rupert (1950)

Rupert is a squirrel.
Posted by: JuJuBee at November 27, 2021 09:04 PM (mNhhD)

Secret? Professor?

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Sexual Racist. at November 27, 2021 09:08 PM (II3Gr)

281 ||Anyone have insight on what we missed??||

It doesn't hate the troops? It's a low bar, I know, and the only guys I know who can comment on the content say it's ridiculous, but the bulk of the War on Terror movies were hateful.

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 09:08 PM (asXVI)

282 Doof me either, seen it twice hoping something grabs me but it didn't.
Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 09:04 PM (2JoB


Thanks for the shared bewilderment. It was well acted -- just no plot development or character / relationship development.

Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 09:08 PM (mZUr4)

283 If you like Myrna Loy and Cary Grant then Bachelor and the Bobbysoxer is a must.
Posted by: Boymom at November 27, 2021 09:01 PM (O5Ll7)

Yes it is. Another one in that genre is "The Major and the Minor" with Ginger Rogers and Ray Milland.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:08 PM (BgMrQ)

284 Roy is either an "anti-hero" or a "tragic hero" in the book...depends on your point of view. Me I go with anti-hero.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard


It's been decades since I read it. I member it being a slog for me, and I think the symbolism scared and confused me.

Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 09:09 PM (r1z5A)

285 Little Shop Around the Corner with Jimmy Stewart and Maureen Sullavan is one of my favorite Christmas movies. I read that Stewart was in love with Sullavan but she was married to his best friend Henry Fonda. He never told her and they remained friends. She turned into a hot mess with mental illness and died of a suspected drug overdose.

Posted by: Megthered at November 27, 2021 09:09 PM (sfWd9)

286 Cumberbatch is good in a certain very specific sort of role. He has shown zero ability to act outside that very narrow niche, which is fine with me but he's grossly overpraised for being able to play One Guy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:09 PM (KZzsI)

287 A more recent Christmas movie we like is The Man Who Invented Christmas. The story how Charles Dickens wrote A Christmas Carol.

Posted by: Beartooth at November 27, 2021 09:10 PM (KTaZ8)

288 It doesn't hate the troops? It's a low bar, I know, and the only guys I know who can comment on the content say it's ridiculous, but the bulk of the War on Terror movies were hateful.

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 09:08 PM (asXVI)


Ok -- I can see that point.

Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 09:10 PM (mZUr4)

289 118 Here's some blasphemy for you.

Any other Christmas movie > A Christmas Story
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:29 PM (iXJM1)

Not blasphemy at all. I loved the movie when I was much younger, but I saw it again last Christmas with my kid. Way too much like Porky's to like it this time around. Pass. Overrated.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 27, 2021 09:10 PM (mdjgu)

290 Trollhunter sounds good, I would take a shot at it.

Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 09:10 PM (2JoB8)

291 Thanks for the tip on the Tolkein/Beowulf follow-up, exdem13.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 09:11 PM (M8yB3)

292 || Shop Around the Corner

Love Ernst Lubitsch.

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 09:11 PM (asXVI)

293
I watched about a minute of Cumberpatch as Dr Strange.

He's horrible. He looks and acts like he's attending a Costume Party.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 09:11 PM (0EcY/)

294 I too was underwhelmed when I saw A Christmas Story. I mean it probably hit all the right nostalgia notes for Boomers but its charm mostly eluded me.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:11 PM (KZzsI)

295 It's been decades since I read it. I member it being a slog for me, and I think the symbolism scared and confused me.
Posted by: Some Rat at November 27, 2021 09:09 PM (r1z5A)

Absolutely.

I'm no fan of the book, or the storyline.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:11 PM (BgMrQ)

296 Darrell, you probably already know but A Christmas Story was directed by the same guy who directed Porky's, Bob Clark.

I mentioned in a previous movie thread, Clark did such a crazy variety of movies, from near-porno to family comedy to horrific bloody horror, I wonder if he was schizophrenic.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 09:12 PM (L2ZTs)

297 I love A Christmas Story, because it reminds me of the America I grew up in. Which is not the America I live in now.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 09:12 PM (evAgx)

298 Better turn this off before the ONT is here.
Have a great night everyone.

Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2021 09:12 PM (2JoB8)

299 Trollhunter is the great.

https://moviegique.com/2017/11/trollhunter-2010/

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 09:13 PM (asXVI)

300 In my opinion, Cumberbatch should be the guy that plays the main character's fun but irresponsible upper class buddy, like he was in Amazing Grace. He's great in small doses. But he did well as Sherlock Holmes because Holmes is supposed to be kind of a jerk.

Most people have not read his other writing, but Doyle was a genius at writing basically terrible people who were still somehow charming and in their way heroic, when the crunch hit.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:14 PM (KZzsI)

301 287 A more recent Christmas movie we like is The Man Who Invented Christmas. The story how Charles Dickens wrote A Christmas Carol.
Posted by: Beartooth at November 27, 2021 09:10 PM (KTaZ

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We saw that recently and really enjoyed it. Christopher Plummer was hilarious.

I always think of "The Man Who Came to Dinner" as a Christmas movie.

Posted by: Hoplite Housewife at November 27, 2021 09:14 PM (mNMgp)

302 This was an absolute classic. Thank you, thank you, thank you for covering this film. Far less problematic than Frank Capra/Jimmy Stewart _It's a Wonderful Life_ (which I still enjoy quite a bit), this reflects the late 1940s perfectly, so that even though it is fiction it could stand in as a documentary. And contrary to the critical takes, it is not at all saccharine or simple: the war isn't glorified, and heroism is shown to have a cost. Nevertheless, virtue and honor ultimately help these men cope.

Posted by: John Milton's Ghost at November 27, 2021 09:14 PM (PTYkn)

303 Margaret Sullavan committed suicide in 1960. She was going deaf which meant the end of her career in the theater.

Posted by: JuJuBee at November 27, 2021 09:14 PM (mNhhD)

304
I'll admit I was taken in by Sherlock Holmes. Ace was a fan of the series, too, and posted about it a couple of times.

But after a few episodes, you realize how empty and robotic Cumberpatch is as an actor. He's not even wooden; he's cardboard.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 09:14 PM (0EcY/)

305 I too was underwhelmed when I saw A Christmas Story. I mean it probably hit all the right nostalgia notes for Boomers but its charm mostly eluded me.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:11 PM (KZzsI)


Same. I'm 50. Watched it for the first time 3 or 4 years ago. Chuckled a few times and finally understand the references I've heard/seen for years. But mostly I just feel like I checked a pop culture box and was able to move on.

Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 09:14 PM (mZUr4)

306 Darrell, you probably already know but A Christmas Story was directed by the same guy who directed Porky's, Bob Clark.
Posted by: qdpsteve

I'm firmly convinced they had two voice trax for the movie. One is the G-rated one we see. The other is a LOT of blue language. Always looks to me like they dubbed in the dad's swearing fits. It's a clinker!

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 27, 2021 09:15 PM (rz+/y)

307 297 I love A Christmas Story, because it reminds me of the America I grew up in. Which is not the America I live in now.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 09:12 PM (evAgx)

The best parts of that movie are the street scenes of downtown Cleveland: Higbee's and Halle's, Public Square...

Used to take a bus from the Westside to the Terminal, and hoop the Shaker Rapid to get to school back in the late '60s.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:15 PM (BgMrQ)

308 Trollhunter is recommended to Tolkien fans and folklore/fantasy fans in general. It's about 3 Norwegian film students out to make a found footage film and they stumble into a current-day troll hunter who is a government employee (!) tasked with dealing with trolls which wander down from the mountain homelands. The trolls are wonderful beasts straight out of the old stories, and the action is great.
Posted by: exdem13

I had forgotten the name of this film. We loved it. Laughed at many of it's scenes...
Thanks!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at November 27, 2021 09:15 PM (mIZpU)

309 242 I thought the "conspiracy guy" in The Best Years of Our Lives was at least partly right in that he was anti-communist, and not very articulate, so he got punched out. It's been a while since I watched, so feel free to correct me.
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To my mind the conspiracy guy was supposed to be a diehard isolationist who couldn't accept that the Axis Pact of Steel was a real thing, with real consequences for the USA even if we "stayed out". Which we couldn't stay out, ultimately, because the Imperial Japanese Navy made damn sure we got in. But there's always that one guy who misses both the point and when he shouldn't argue it.

Posted by: exdem13 at November 27, 2021 09:16 PM (W+kMI)

310 Blutarski, knowing Bob Clark, could very well be!

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 09:16 PM (L2ZTs)

311 The Man Who Invented Christmas sounds like a good one.

Posted by: JuJuBee at November 27, 2021 09:16 PM (mNhhD)

312 289 118 Here's some blasphemy for you.

Any other Christmas movie > A Christmas Story
Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 08:29 PM (iXJM1)

Go shoot your eye out.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Sexual Racist. at November 27, 2021 09:17 PM (II3Gr)

313 But after a few episodes, you realize how empty and robotic Cumberpatch is as an actor. He's not even wooden; he's cardboard.

I think that is less Cumberbatch's fault than the insanely overrated hack writer Steven Moffat. He's like JJ Abrams who can come up with a neat concept and fool you briefly with dazzling effects, but ultimately you look back at how hollow and empty the work is. And they cannot end or even continue a series beyond the initial concept.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:17 PM (KZzsI)

314 -- John Milton's Ghost

Thanks for reading!

I have found that the charge leveled in the '60s and '70s, that earlier films were too simplistic is in itself too simplistic.

The great westerns, war movies, dramas--even comedies--showed moral difficulties but without wallowing in sleaze and degradation, which I think is the true source of the critic's complaint.

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 09:17 PM (asXVI)

315 Sharkman

That is the quick take. I aver that if the Soviets had attacked Hitler, they could have lost.

The Great Purge was a great big deal, and IRL the Soviet got a lot of millage out of the deep hate from being attacked by a nominal ally.

And what about Lend-Lease? That was critical for victory, and could have been easily withheld from a belligerent Soviet Union.

The internal support in the West for the Soviets from all the useful idiots and crypto-communists would have been more difficult.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:18 PM (u82oZ)

316 IMHO some of Scorsese's movies deal with great moral questions.

OTOH, some others of his movies glamorize the mafia to death.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 09:18 PM (L2ZTs)

317 247
Speaking of Gus Fring...

he recently had very nice things to say about Gina Carano.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 08:59 PM (0EcY/)

Better late than never, I suppose.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 27, 2021 09:20 PM (mdjgu)

318 But after a few episodes, you realize how empty and robotic Cumberpatch is as an actor. He's not even wooden; he's cardboard.

I'll go on record as saying he was well cast as Dr. Strange.

I'm a big Marvel buff from long time past, and he's everything I wanted in a Steven Strange.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:20 PM (BgMrQ)

319
I think that is less Cumberbatch's fault than the insanely overrated hack writer Steven Moffat. He's like JJ Abrams who can come up with a neat concept and fool you briefly with dazzling effects, but ultimately you look back at how hollow and empty the work is. And they cannot end or even continue a series beyond the initial concept.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor


I concur.

Which makes me suspect Moffat, Davies, and Abrams steal other people's ideas, put them on the screen, and then don't know what to do with them.

For example, Game of Thrones' Benioff and Weiss did okay with GRRM's material...until they ran out of GRRM's material.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 09:21 PM (0EcY/)

320 Soothsayer, I think you're being ironic about Hector Salamanca?

As I recall he was nasty about Gina.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 09:21 PM (L2ZTs)

321 The great westerns, war movies, dramas--even comedies--showed moral difficulties but without wallowing in sleaze and degradation, which I think is the true source of the critic's complaint.

I agree. When they say romanticized or simplistic, what they really mean is "not nihilistic and corrupt". Were many earlier films a bit more fantasyc than the real world? Sure. But they dealt with some very tough, real problems in a manner that was entertaining and helped people escape their lives and hardship.

Chuck Dixon recently did a whole podcast about this very concept, and he tied it into the death of heroism and why the big two comic companies are dying.

He pointed out that nearly all the big names in cinema in the first 50 years or so were all Jewish. And they started out in a nation largely hostile and even violent to Jewish people. These were men who loved this nation despite its cruelty and bigotry they regularly faced, and wanted to show the beauty of what they saw. It was their way of getting ahead in early 20th century America, doing stuff people thought was crap (cinema). So they showed things as a "here's what I love and how things ought to be".

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:21 PM (KZzsI)

322 Little Drummer Boy, the stop-action one.

Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2021 09:21 PM (0OP+5)

323 Oops, I meant the actor who played Gus Fring.

Hector is the character Gus wanted to kill...

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 09:22 PM (L2ZTs)

324 >>> I've never watched Scrooged. Is it a good adaptation?
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

I didn't like it. A bit too modern. So modern, the "spirit" of the Christmas Carol wasn't realized. Last I heard, "comedian" Kevin Hart was set to be in a remake of Scrooged. Pass.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 08:18 PM (0EcY/)


I think it would work well in more of a straight gothic horror/thriller setting with more of the psychological fear of the unknown. But, unlike most horror movies which are often nihilist and without hope, the tale gives you the perfect framework to show a man's triumph over his greatest enemy, himself. A screenplay in which a middle-aged scrooge, not some really old dude as is the norm, encounters manifest past present consequences and then a terrible future of his life after visitations by the ghosts. The Dicken's tale would work really well as a scary thriller.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 27, 2021 09:23 PM (pxX6h)

325 I'll go on record as saying he was well cast as Dr. Strange.

I agree, I liked him a lot as Strange, and showed his journey pretty well, given the extremely compressed time frame and pretty weak story. I have... tepid hopes for the next film based entirely on Cumberbatch and the director... Spider-Man and Evil Dead's Sam Raimi.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:23 PM (KZzsI)

326 Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:18 PM (u82oZ)

I had written something similar but decided not to post . I would add that Finland kicked the Soviets ass until they were overwhelmed by the numbers. IMHO If it were not for the USA supplying the Soviets and bombing Germany, Hitler would have prevailed in Russia despite his military strategist incompetence.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 09:23 PM (iXJM1)

327 322 Little Drummer Boy, the stop-action one.
Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2021 09:21 PM (0OP+5)

Aghhhh earworm...

Never liked the stop action stories.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:23 PM (BgMrQ)

328 I've never watched Scrooged. Is it a good adaptation?

Not really, but it is a lot of fun. I give them credit for doing a fun job trying to make a modern version of the story but ultimately it doesn't capture Dickens' feel or the power of the story.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:24 PM (KZzsI)

329
As I recall he was nasty about Gina.
Posted by: qdpsteve


https://youtu.be/GU-RdS_W7VQ?t=177

Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 09:24 PM (0EcY/)

330 Christopher R Taylor
A most cogent comment.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:25 PM (u82oZ)

331 Gus Fring was played by Giancarlo Esposito. He was in one of the greatest movies ever (my personal favorite) -- The Usual Suspects.

Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 09:25 PM (mZUr4)

332 ||I agree. When they say romanticized or simplistic, what they really mean is "not nihilistic and corrupt". Were many earlier films a bit more fantasyc than the real world? ||

Newer films are no less fantasy, they're just =ugly= fantasies. If a critic looks at Myrna Loy in TBYOOL and says "No one is THAT good", well, it's just as legitimate to look at the anti-hero movies and say "No one is THAT bad," either.

Portraying aspirational things is good, yo.

||He pointed out that nearly all the big names in cinema in the first 50 years or so were all Jewish. And they started out in a nation largely hostile and even violent to Jewish people. These were men who loved this nation despite its cruelty and bigotry they regularly faced, and wanted to show the beauty of what they saw.||

Dixon's sharp. The idea that "We're gonna have comics full of special people who are special because they have powers and are also deviants but not because they do anything good" is a loser.

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 09:25 PM (asXVI)

333 Sooth, good to hear!

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 09:26 PM (L2ZTs)

334 If that makes any sense.


not really. since hitler's plans for Europe were drawn up way before Ribbentrop signed something something with Molotov.

Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:26 PM (V13WU)

335 Doof, thanks!

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 09:26 PM (L2ZTs)

336 I love A Christmas Story, because it reminds me of the America I grew up in. Which is not the America I live in now.
Posted by: Tom Servo

I like the movie for perhaps, odd reasons. The kid's house resembles the home in which I grew up - it is damn near the same house. Same colors, same feel - I can 'smell' the coal furnace and feel the drafts. The junky back yards and alleys- oh yeah. I notice they are all freezing during the car ride - car's heaters sucked biggly then - that was my experience. No one had a garage to park the car in during the winter. You froze - all the time. The teacher, her dress, the school - yeah, the same.

Higbee's was local and so was Terminal Square.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 27, 2021 09:27 PM (mD/uy)

337
Right on cue...to help his Democrat commie pals in the US, fidel castro's bastard in Canada imposes fake "travel bans" to mirror biden's fake travel bans on Africa.

Like biden, fidel castro's bastard, a.k.a. justin trudeau, strongly opposed travel bans when President Trump imposed them.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 09:27 PM (0EcY/)

338 313 I think that is less Cumberbatch's fault than the insanely overrated hack writer Steven Moffat. He's like JJ Abrams who can come up with a neat concept and fool you briefly with dazzling effects, but ultimately you look back at how hollow and empty the work is. And they cannot end or even continue a series beyond the initial concept.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:17 PM (KZzsI)


Agree. The Sherlock Holmes series was dazzling out of the gate, thoughtful and with great fan service for those of us who read the books. An update of this odd character to the modern world, what a great thing to work with. And it was great, for a while. But the initial promise faded, and things just got odder and odder.

Posted by: Splunge at November 27, 2021 09:28 PM (PQ4Fz)

339 not really. since hitler's plans for Europe were drawn up way before Ribbentrop signed something something with Molotov.
Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:26 PM (V13

The pact was part of the plan. Hitler always planned on betraying Stalin.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 09:28 PM (iXJM1)

340 Newer films are no less fantasy, they're just =ugly= fantasies.

Yeah, I agree. We haven't taken any step toward verite or reality with noir films or brutal modern sleaze. Its just a nasty, gutter turn. There's nothing any more REAL about Requiem for a Dream, its just a souless, hopeless, nihilistic void of corruption that people cheered for being brave and "honest".

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:28 PM (KZzsI)

341 The Man Who Invented Christmas sounds like a good one.


If you did not like Christmas in Connecticut, you won't like this one...

Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:28 PM (V13WU)

342 On the other hand, there is some scholarship that says Stalin was gearing up to try to overrun Europe but that Hitler beat him to the punch. There was going to be a war of extermination in Europe the moment that both Hitler and Stalin had the keys to Germany and the USSR in their hands. I can't imagine a worse war than what actually happened, but it is possible that Stalin's entry into the M-R Pact guaranteed that the war of extermination occurred in Eastern Europe and the USSR rather than in Central and Western Europe.
If that makes any sense.
Posted by: Sharkman

You may be aware of this, but there is a book about the inter-war period (WW1 and WW2) in the East called "Bloodlands", about the various terrible things that happened to people in the Ukraine, and elsewhere.
I have had a hard time reading it, because it describes some pretty terrible things.
The brutality of Stalin and the NKVD and Hitler and the SS were something to behold.
A lot of the Gestapo people ended up in the Stasi when the USSR took over East Germany at the end of WWII. The Russians hated the SS with a white hot passion, but the Gestapo were "internal security" and fit into Soviet plans for that role.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at November 27, 2021 09:29 PM (tjZg/)

343 Just a side note

Well, I did have to overcome my shyness to post that.

The short answer is the bulk of the Red Army would have been at the end of their bad supply lines, while the Germans would have been close to their supply source. The German General Staff could handle that situation a lot better than Hitler, and he would have been less of a military dunce.

With Hitler in power the Allies and the Soviet were bound to win, which is why the Allied Secret Services helped keep him alive.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:29 PM (u82oZ)

344 We watch Scrooged every Christmas Day.

Posted by: JuJuBee at November 27, 2021 09:29 PM (mNhhD)

345 ||Yeah, I agree. We haven't taken any step toward verite or reality with noir films or brutal modern sleaze.||

Classic noir always has an element of fun: There's style, there's glamor, everything is heightened and, in the end, the hero does the right thing, no matter how hard. That of course shifted, at least by the time of the French New Wave.

||Its just a nasty, gutter turn. There's nothing any more REAL about Requiem for a Dream, its just a souless, hopeless, nihilistic void of corruption that people cheered for being brave and "honest".||

I have not bothered.

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 09:30 PM (asXVI)

346 Jeremy Brett's Sherlock is the only Sherlock I'll ever need.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 09:30 PM (evAgx)

347 I was surprised how much I enjoyed The Santa Clause, though I wouldn't watch it again; it's more of a one and done.

Mrs. Splunge insists that Bad Santa is an essential Christmas movie that must be watched every year. I haven't signed on to it even being a proper Christmas movie, but I do see why she likes it.

Posted by: Splunge at November 27, 2021 09:30 PM (PQ4Fz)

348 The pact was part of the plan. Hitler always planned on betraying Stalin.



Golly, you don't say. Next you'll be l tellin' me that Stalin was set on betraying the pact too !

Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:30 PM (V13WU)

349 Higbee's was local and so was Terminal Square.
Posted by: Tonypete


Look out Cleveland! It's Tonypete.

Ho! Ho! Ho!

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at November 27, 2021 09:31 PM (tjZg/)

350 Sherlock was like the Doctor Who destruction idiocy disguised initially as cleverness.

When the primary function of "entertainment" is to act as budget therapy for the creator it ceases being "entertainment."

Posted by: sven at November 27, 2021 09:31 PM (Lzpvj)

351 >> Trollhunter is the great.

Heh, yes

Posted by: Lizzy at November 27, 2021 09:31 PM (bDqIh)

352 Look out Cleveland! It's Tonypete.

Ho! Ho! Ho!
Posted by: Bozo Conservative..

Mr. Jingaling for the win.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 27, 2021 09:31 PM (mD/uy)

353 Sharkman & Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet

Viktor Suvorov was pretty adamant about the upcoming war plans to attack Germany by the Red Army. He had access to the GRU files. Even if other people were calling him stupid, he comes across as well informed in all his books.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:32 PM (u82oZ)

354 346 Jeremy Brett's Sherlock is the only Sherlock I'll ever need.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 09:30 PM (evAgx)

I'm a purist:

BASIL RATHBONE

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:32 PM (BgMrQ)

355 ||Golly, you don't say. Next you'll be l tellin' me that Stalin was set on betraying the pact too !||

Don't you see, fellas?! We'll never have the perfect society until the FASCISTS and COMMUNISTS learn to WORK TOGETHER. Hands...and heart!

Whoops. Sorry, channeling "Metropolis".

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 09:32 PM (asXVI)

356 348 Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:30 PM (V13WU)

To be fair they had a huge difference between them.

One was a socialist with genocidal tendencies and a mustache, and the other was a genocider with socialist tendencies and a mustache.

Posted by: sven at November 27, 2021 09:32 PM (Lzpvj)

357 Golly, you don't say. Next you'll be l tellin' me that Stalin was set on betraying the pact too !
Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:30 PM (V13WU)

Settle down I was agreeing with you.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 09:32 PM (iXJM1)

358 I almost forgot my FAVORITE Christmas movie - "The Ref", with Denis Leary, Kevin Spacey, and Judy Davis. For some reason that reminds me of a lot of family gatherings I've been to.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 09:32 PM (evAgx)

359 Cumberbatch is good in a certain very specific sort of role. He has shown zero ability to act outside that very narrow niche, which is fine with me but he's grossly overpraised for being able to play One Guy.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:09 PM (KZzsI)


He's no Brian Dennehy.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a headache at November 27, 2021 09:32 PM (OYUie)

360 When Ian Fleming wrote that James Bond looked a lot like Hoagy Carmichael, I looked up pictures, and raised an eyebrow. Really? Carmichael is one odd-looking dude.

Posted by: Splunge at November 27, 2021 09:33 PM (PQ4Fz)

361 ||Really? Carmichael is one odd-looking dude.

But pretty fade-in-the-crowd, which is what you want in a spy.

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 09:33 PM (asXVI)

362 Jeremy Brett's Sherlock is the only Sherlock I'll ever need.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 09:30 PM (evAgx)

I'm a purist:

BASIL RATHBONE
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:32 PM (BgMrQ)

*stands up next to browndog*

Solidarity!

Posted by: Beartooth at November 27, 2021 09:34 PM (KTaZ8)

363 BASIL RATHBONE


...a bit of a bore in that role. No humor. Holmes needs a bit of humor. In my opinion.

Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:34 PM (V13WU)

364 Splunge

Maybe Ian Fleming wanted James Bond: The Musical, or the Singing Spy.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:35 PM (u82oZ)

365 For me it goes like this:

Jeremy Brett > > > > First season Sherlock > > Basil Rathbone movies > > > > > > > > > > Elementary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rest of Sherlock

Turning Moriarty into a fay, mincing queer was just... what the hell?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:35 PM (KZzsI)

366 I'm a purist:
BASIL RATHBONE
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:32 PM (BgMrQ)
*stands up next to browndog*
Solidarity!
Posted by: Beartooth at November 27, 2021 09:34 PM (KTaZ

***My brother***

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:35 PM (BgMrQ)

367 Robert Downing Jr did Holmes very well.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 09:35 PM (iXJM1)

368 327 322 Little Drummer Boy, the stop-action one.
Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2021 09:21 PM (0OP+5)

Aghhhh earworm...

Never liked the stop action stories.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:23 PM
'I'm Gumby, Damnit!'

Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2021 09:36 PM (0OP+5)

369 They forgot to colorize it.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 27, 2021 09:36 PM (LtGlA)

370 I think you are both correct, just a side note and NaCly Dog.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 09:36 PM (M8yB3)

371 361 ||Really? Carmichael is one odd-looking dude.

But pretty fade-in-the-crowd, which is what you want in a spy.
Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 09:33 PM (asXVI)

I consider Hoagy a perfect stand in for #everyman in the movie.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:36 PM (BgMrQ)

372 260 Mrs Doof and I watched The Hurt Locker
We just didn't get it. Neither of us thought there was any "there" there. The movie just didn't seem to have a point. Army bomb techs in Iraq. Various situations. No real story.
Posted by: Doof
It was so forgettable, I forget what I thought the point was. Maybe that the Renner character was so beaten down by the situation, that his heroism(example wearing no gear when he was going to defuse an IED), was not really heroism but just him giving in to fate? Or he had already given up?
Which would make sense given what Hollywood thinks of the military and heros.

Posted by: MikeM at November 27, 2021 09:36 PM (QMG4P)

373 364 Maybe Ian Fleming wanted James Bond: The Musical, or the Singing Spy.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:35 PM (u82oZ)


Wonder who would write the song for the Casino Royale torturing-the-nads scene.

Posted by: Splunge at November 27, 2021 09:36 PM (PQ4Fz)

374 367 Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 09:35 PM (iXJM1)

so did Johnny Lee Miller for largely the same reasons, Holmes is a bit of a misanthrope and very much an eclectic autodidact.

Posted by: sven at November 27, 2021 09:36 PM (Lzpvj)

375 I love A Christmas Story, because it reminds me of the America I grew up in. Which is not the America I live in now.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 27, 2021 09:12 PM (evAgx)


Absolutely. I even got a red ryder BB gun for christmas, but I was 12, and didn't shoot my eye out gunning for Black Bart. Instead I devastated the tree ornaments. Mom was frigging pissed. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 27, 2021 09:37 PM (VwHCD)

376 Holmes cannot be played exactly like he is written.

Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:37 PM (V13WU)

377 When Ian Fleming wrote that James Bond looked a lot like Hoagy Carmichael, I looked up pictures, and raised an eyebrow. Really? Carmichael is one odd-looking dude.

I thought so to when I read that, because my vision of Carmichael was that guy from the 40s.

But this was the version Fleming had in mind:

https://tinyurl.com/mu5bruk3

An older, more worldly, and grown up version

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:37 PM (KZzsI)

378 I've watched "The Best Years of Our Lives" about a half dozen times.

It reminds me of the world that was disappearing right in front of me as a child.
The town in the movie, the neighborhoods, looked like where I grew up. Of course, even though the house I grew up in is still standing and the neighborhood is still ok and livable, that world is gone.

Dana Andrews was also the star of "Zero Hour", which was the 'serious' movie that "Airplane!" was based on. I actually watched it one night, and laughed most of the way through it, although it was supposed to be serious. "Airplane!" was such an actual keen parody of it, as the cast of "Zero Hour" was so melodramatic.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at November 27, 2021 09:38 PM (tjZg/)

379 Turning Moriarty into a fay, mincing queer was just... what the hell?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:35 PM (KZzsI)

The best Moriarty was turned in my the guy who played him on Star Trek: TNG

(he was also Adm. Josh Painter's XO)

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:38 PM (BgMrQ)

380 Regarding conspiracy theories, I will note Alex Jones seems to have been correct abput a lot of stuff that people called him crazy for saying just a few years ago.

When he's wrong, he gets sued (Sandy Hook). When he's right, he gets banned (everything else).

Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 09:39 PM (M8yB3)

381 377 But this was the version Fleming had in mind:

https://tinyurl.com/mu5bruk3

An older, more worldly, and grown up version
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:37 PM (KZzsI)


I get you, but am I the only one who cannot get past that schnozz? It's like a life all on its own. It probably has its own birth certificate.

Posted by: Splunge at November 27, 2021 09:39 PM (PQ4Fz)

382 In Elementary , Moriarty is a woman.

Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:40 PM (V13WU)

383 381 Posted by: Splunge at November 27, 2021 09:39 PM (PQ4Fz)

"mmmffff"

//Barry Manilow

Posted by: sven at November 27, 2021 09:40 PM (Lzpvj)

384 "With Hitler in power the Allies and the Soviet were bound to win". Um, maybe. Eventually. The war as it actually went was far from a walkover, a lopsided game, in its early and middle phases. The fundamentals doomed Germany, overall. But those didn't factor in until half-way through, or later.

A lot can go wrong in the short term. The USSR hanging on and then becoming the colossus it was on the battlefield wasn't inevitable. Look at the first week of October 1941 in Moscow. With his special train ready at the station and many ministries already moving to Kubishev, order broke down. Only time it happened in a non-outlying national republic in Soviet history.

And while an eventual titanic clash between the two totalitarian powers seems unavoidable, the idea that Stalin was in any position to take the initiative in 1941 - or for a year or two after - has to contend with the reality of the Soviet military at the time, which was in no condition for anything like such an offensive.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 27, 2021 09:41 PM (OTzUX)

385 I love that movie! Reminds me I need to watch it again.

I had never seen it before film school. Blew me away.

Posted by: PJ1 at November 27, 2021 09:41 PM (G1dq6)

386 382 Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:40 PM (V13WU)

same as in "Sherlock"...

Posted by: sven at November 27, 2021 09:41 PM (Lzpvj)

387 Regarding conspiracy theories, I will note Alex Jones seems to have been correct abput a lot of stuff that people called him crazy for saying just a few years ago.

Yeah he puts it in these demented, bombastic ways that are easy to mock but when you look back you go "oh.. that's what he was talking about"

Like the queer frogs thing, that everyone giggles at. He was referring to an actual thing that is going on:

recent scientific findings about the influence of endocrine disruptors on sexual behavior in male South African Claw frogs. After being exposed in a laboratory environment to EPA approved levels of atrazine - the second most commonly used herbicide in the U.S., as well as a fairly common endocrine disruptor found in water supplies - these male frogs underwent a significant change in behavior. The frogs exposed to the atrazine, as opposed to the control group who weren't, started exhibiting distinct homosexual behavior. Not only did they engage in homosexual sex with one another, as the attending scientist, Tyrone Hayes PHD, said of the frogs, their behavior became "feminized./

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:42 PM (KZzsI)

388 'I'm Gumby, Damnit!'
Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2021 09:36 PM (0OP+5)

All those shows: Davy and Goliath, Rudolph

There was some really bad kids TV in the 60s...just sayin'

Give me old (pre60s) Merry Melodies, Looney Tunes, and Rocky and Bullwinkle.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:42 PM (BgMrQ)

389 We just didn't get it. Neither of us thought there was any "there" there. The movie just didn't seem to have a point. Army bomb techs in Iraq. Various situations. No real story.

Anyone have insight on what we missed??
Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 09:02 PM (mZUr4)

At it's heart it is a trans coming of age story in the war torn US Army.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 27, 2021 09:42 PM (k3pAQ)

390 Viktor Suvorov was pretty adamant about the upcoming war plans to attack Germany by the Red Army. He had access to the GRU files. Even if other people were calling him stupid, he comes across as well informed in all his books.
Posted by: NaCly Dog

Yeah, I have read a couple of "Viktor Suvorov's" books.

"Inside the Red Army" and "Inside the GRU"

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at November 27, 2021 09:42 PM (tjZg/)

391 sven, I liked Elementary. They did not foul it up as badly as those dudes in England did. And...humor.

Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:43 PM (V13WU)

392 The Sherlock series played Moriarty like The Joker.

In the books, he was a total nerd, a professor type who had found himself in masterminding crime.

I thought the series Moriarty was actually one of its successes, though, until things got weird with the death scene.

Posted by: Splunge at November 27, 2021 09:43 PM (PQ4Fz)

393 The Best Years of Our Lives is one of the best movies of the 20th century. I think everyone ought to watch it every year.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 27, 2021 09:44 PM (+Kpte)

394 In Elementary , Moriarty is a woman.

Elementary would have been a good show, if it wasn't pretending to be Sherlock Holmes. Delete all those names and references and it becomes an interesting series with some clever writing. But it so brutally rapes the Sherlock Holmes canon with a flaming porcupine that I cannot like or watch it.

Like Agents of Sheesh, I wanted to like it so bad I watched a season and a half and finally realized it wasn't going to get any better.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:44 PM (KZzsI)

395 rhomboid

Good points all. We could have a great time discussing all the what-ifs, But not at a MoMeet. That is for bacchanals.

The What-Ifs of today actually have more of my attention.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:45 PM (u82oZ)

396 390 Viktor Suvorov was pretty adamant about the upcoming war plans to attack Germany by the Red Army. He had access to the GRU files. Even if other people were calling him stupid, he comes across as well informed in all his books.
Posted by: NaCly Dog

Seeing as we had to supply Stalin with just about every material known to man, and that barely kept the Russians alive.

How the hell would he be able to have gone on an offensive across Europe without our support? Not trying to be snarky, genuinely curious?

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:46 PM (BgMrQ)

397 I actually liked Hurt Locker quite a bit. Hmmm, how would I explain it to someone who didn't like it?

Theme: Making war is addictive, because everything you do matters so much more.

Favorite moment: When they are waiting out the sniper, and first we see Renner's super-parched lips, and feel his thirst as he opens a juice box and punches the straw into it -- then hands it off to the guy on the rifle.

Posted by: Splunge at November 27, 2021 09:46 PM (PQ4Fz)

398 @394 , It got the some "key" cannon. Enought to say - ah oh, yes, it is Holmes , but for the modern age.

Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:47 PM (V13WU)

399 382 In Elementary , Moriarty is a woman.
Posted by: runner



I never watched it. I do know that the uber cute and sexy Lucy Liu is in it.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 27, 2021 09:48 PM (sAmhv)

400 388 'I'm Gumby, Damnit!'
Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2021 09:36 PM (0OP+5)

All those shows: Davy and Goliath, Rudolph

There was some really bad kids TV in the 60s...just sayin'

Give me old (pre60s) Merry Melodies, Looney Tunes, and Rocky and Bullwinkle.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:42 PM
Oh I agree, browndog.

Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2021 09:49 PM (0OP+5)

401
What songs by Stephen Sondheim should I know??

And why did no one tell me Bruce Lee fights Wyatt Earp in a kung fu movie?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 09:49 PM (0EcY/)

402 When Ian Fleming wrote that James Bond looked a lot like Hoagy Carmichael,


Yes. Totally see that. Gray man.

Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:49 PM (V13WU)

403 browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard

No one, repeat, no one, wanted to tell Stalin bad news. Like your war plan is beyond stupid. Or the troops commanders are not ready.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:49 PM (u82oZ)

404 I never watched it. I do know that the uber cute and sexy Lucy Liu is in it.

She learns to be just as good as Sherlock! In one year! And is not a scumbag addict in the process!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 27, 2021 09:50 PM (KZzsI)

405 391 Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:43 PM (V13WU)

Agreed, I watched both by the end of the second season of each my estimation between the two flipped.

Elementary got the SJW crap out of the way quick and then settled into a good homage, Sherlock did the opposite.

Posted by: sven at November 27, 2021 09:50 PM (Lzpvj)

406 not really. since hitler's plans for Europe were drawn up way before Ribbentrop signed something something with Molotov.

Posted by: runner



I don't really think Hitler had any realistic expectation that his "plans for Europe" were in any way something he could possibly succeed in implementing. He seems to have almost been spitballing it a lot of the time to see what he could get away with, and the Allies kept giving in to him unexpectedly.

I also don't think it's at all accurate to say that Hitler had plans drawn up for much of anything prior to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Poland, yes. Orders to begin planning for Norway, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, France and Russia were issued well after the Pact was inked. And he put troops in North Africa, Greece and Yugoslavia only as a direct response to actions of other nations, having had no reason to think about invading those countries previous to the Pact.

I think everyone is so used to just reading the timeline of WW2 and assuming that it progressed in stages according to some master plan that Hitler had envisioned years earlier, when in reality it was extraordinarily fluid.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 09:50 PM (M8yB3)

407 I actually liked Hurt Locker quite a bit. Hmmm, how would I explain it to someone who didn't like it?

Theme: Making war is addictive, because everything you do matters so much more.

Favorite moment: When they are waiting out the sniper, and first we see Renner's super-parched lips, and feel his thirst as he opens a juice box and punches the straw into it -- then hands it off to the guy on the rifle.
Posted by: Splunge at November 27, 2021 09:46 PM (PQ4Fz)


Appreciate your thoughts. That was indeed a great moment. That whole scene was definitely the best of the film. The other guy with Renner covering their "six" and taking out the guy on the railroad tracks was a great moment.

I think it will grow on me more as I think about it. But I guess I was just expecting more of a plot.

Posted by: Doof at November 27, 2021 09:51 PM (mZUr4)

408 Elementary got the SJW crap out of the way quick and then settled into a good homage, Sherlock did the opposite.
Posted by: sven at November 27, 2021 09:50 PM (Lzpvj)

yes, yes they did

Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:51 PM (V13WU)

409 browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard

Also, the Red Army had a lot of equipment like many, many tanks and guns. But lack of radios in the tank, good doctrine, and well-trained junior and senior officers would have doomed an offensive.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:52 PM (u82oZ)

410 401
What songs by Stephen Sondheim should I know??


Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 09:49 PM (0EcY

The Biden Admins theme song: Send in The Clowns!

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:52 PM (BgMrQ)

411 I actually liked Hurt Locker quite a bit. Hmmm, how would I explain it to someone who didn't like it?
___

You can't because it sucked bigly.

Posted by: SMH while awaiting His return at November 27, 2021 09:52 PM (Z/38I)

412 Sondheim wrote some of the songs is west side story.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 27, 2021 09:54 PM (k3pAQ)

413 How the hell would he be able to have gone on an offensive across Europe without our support? Not trying to be snarky, genuinely curious?
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard

There are a lot of weird aspects to WWII.

Both sides were "war weary" but for different reasons. The Soviets were likely bled white, from losses in manpower.
The UK was financially stricken, almost broke.
The US was "bored" with the war (on the home front) and was ready for it to be over.
I think the US Army Air Force would have wreaked havoc on the Soviet ground forces. On a few occasions, massed formations of B-17's bombed sections of German formations where they were massed (during the breakout at Avranches after the Normandy landings), and inflicted awful casualties. If they would have done that to Soviet formations, the carnage would have been awful.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at November 27, 2021 09:54 PM (tjZg/)

414 374 367 Posted by: Just a side note at November 27, 2021 09:35 PM (iXJM1)

so did Johnny Lee Miller for largely the same reasons, Holmes is a bit of a misanthrope and very much an eclectic autodidact.
Posted by: sven at November 27, 2021 09:36 PM (Lzpvj)

I liked Elementary. A lot. I especially liked their take on Moriarty.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 27, 2021 09:54 PM (mdjgu)

415 Re Redford, actually bumped into him in 1978 or so, Tremont Street, Boston, heavy noon time foot traffic, going opposite directions. No room to move, I stopped and squared up, straight into me he came. Maybe 5 foot 7, 150lbs. Not what I imagined from big screen.

Posted by: From That Time at November 27, 2021 09:55 PM (4780s)

416 Moriarty and his fucking negative waves...

Posted by: Oddball at November 27, 2021 09:55 PM (0hbQ6)

417 {{{SMH}}}

Hope you and Ex-ex had a relaxing Thanksgiving.

Hope none of the looting got close to you. In that case, I guess you would miss your SAW. And being the Queen of a rural reaction force.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:55 PM (u82oZ)

418 I don't really think Hitler had any realistic expectation that his "plans for Europe" were in any way something he could possibly succeed in implementing.


==

why the hell not ? he succeeded in everything he planned prior (except the painter bit). Chancellor, savior of Germany, economic miracle worker, Pax Germania. He had every expectation that the war machine he built, and that includes the atrocities, would get him what he wanted.

Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 09:56 PM (V13WU)

419 403 browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard

No one, repeat, no one, wanted to tell Stalin bad news. Like your war plan is beyond stupid. Or the troops commanders are not ready.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:49 PM (u82oZ)

I get that, but when push comes to shove would the Red Army command engage in a futile offensive.

It's one thing to defend the motherland, it's another to grind up your youth in a doomed offensive.

I say, the Red Army command would have shot Stalin had he gone on that type of an offensive.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:56 PM (BgMrQ)

420 ||What songs by Stephen Sondheim should I know??

He wrote the lyrics to "West Side Story" which is chock full of great stuff.

"Send In The Clowns," of course.

"Sweeney Todd"--the whole thing is amazing, if you get the original cast with George Hearn and Angela Lansbury. The movie manages to ... well, not completely kill it.

"Into The Woods"--also great, and also the original cast trounces the movie version.

Just off the top of my head.

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 09:56 PM (asXVI)

421 Hey Salty.

I live in a very rural small town.

No looting here.

Posted by: SMH while awaiting His return at November 27, 2021 09:57 PM (Z/38I)

422 BC: I've read Bloodlands, and yes, it is a hard read. What happened to Poland, Ukraine and Belarus between 1920 and 1945 was simply wholesale slaughter on an industrial scale through human-induced famine, war and genocide committed by both Germany and the USSR.

It's hard to believe those three nations actually still exist after what occurred there. One reason I always still have hope for Europe is that somehow Poland survived, retained its Christian spirit and helped throw off the yoke of Communism during the 80s even though it was all bit destroyed as a nation.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 27, 2021 09:57 PM (M8yB3)

423
Sounds like Sondheim was no Burt Bachrach.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 27, 2021 09:59 PM (0EcY/)

424 Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet

Our point replacement system crushed unit cohesion and combat ability after VE. Only a very few divisions, like the 82nd Airborne, were spared. We were not ready for ground action.

Glad it never happened. Because the Red Army evolved when they did not have air superiority. And at the end of the war, had a much bigger fighter force that the Nazis.

Our USAAC quality was much better, but we would have had, IMHO, unacceptable losses.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 09:59 PM (u82oZ)

425 Re Sondheim, I just checked out a TV musical he wrote that aired on ABC Stage 67, called Evening Primrose.

It had a Twilight Zone-like plot about two young people living in a department store, yearning to see the outside world. First aired in fall 1966 in color, and it's available on Amazon Prime Video today, but only in black and white as no one can find the original master videotape.

Anyway, sounds really interesting. Think I may watch the Amazon online video for $1.99.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 27, 2021 09:59 PM (L2ZTs)

426 Sondheim wrote music and lyrics for A funny thing happened on the way to the forum.

Posted by: runner at November 27, 2021 10:00 PM (V13WU)

427 ONT up

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 27, 2021 10:00 PM (rz+/y)

428 Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at November 27, 2021 09:54 PM (tjZg/)

Thanks for weighing in BC...

I was operating under the assumption that Stalin had plans prior to WW2 for invading Europe...before Hitler got a leg up on him.

Which I posit that he couldn't have done, as we wouldn't be lending him everything under the sun.

All your other points stand post 1945.

Patton was right. The US should have gone straight to Moscow.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 10:01 PM (BgMrQ)

429 No looting here.
Posted by: SMH while awaiting His return at November 27, 2021 09:57 PM (Z/38I)


{{{SMH}}}
They knew you were in town!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) - Lie back and think of that sweet graft! ~ at November 27, 2021 10:01 PM (hOUT3)

430 Michael Kurland wrote several Holmesean books about Dr. Moriarty, who was portrayed as a consulting criminal, providing plans and procedures to England's criminals to raise money to advance his experimental studies of what appears to have been a theory of relativity.

While being dogged by Sherlock Holmes and his excessive pull with Scotland Yard

Maybe one day there would be a movie based on this

Posted by: Kindltot at November 27, 2021 10:01 PM (P9T5R)

431 Thanks for the great discussion. At least we have all the Downfall memes.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 27, 2021 10:01 PM (u82oZ)

432
I say, the Red Army command would have shot Stalin had he gone on that type of an offensive.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:56 PM (BgMrQ)


Not the ones he started the war with, those were the ones that survived the purges.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 27, 2021 10:04 PM (P9T5R)

433 SMH, I like peaceful too.

Posted by: Infidel at November 27, 2021 10:05 PM (LZkdC)

434 >>What songs by Stephen Sondheim should I know??


Send in the Clowns

Posted by: Lizzy at November 27, 2021 10:06 PM (bDqIh)

435 Donovan's Reef:

"Festus, we're having a sporting event.
"Turn your hat around.
"You are now a Yank."

Posted by: Pope John the 20th at November 27, 2021 10:06 PM (Ap+cR)

436 Lesser known Christmas movie: The Lemon Drop Kid

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 27, 2021 10:11 PM (7bRMQ)

437 Great thread, guys, thanks for joining in, and for all the suggestions. I will see what I can come up with for next time.

Posted by: moviegique at November 27, 2021 10:14 PM (asXVI)

438 Les Paul and Mary Ford. Glen Campbell. Jeff Beck.

Just off the top of my head.
.

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at November 27, 2021 10:40 PM (64kcH)

439 432
I say, the Red Army command would have shot Stalin had he gone on that type of an offensive.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 09:56 PM (BgMrQ)

Not the ones he started the war with, those were the ones that survived the purges.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 27, 2021 10:04 PM (P9T5R)

You think Zhukov would have gone along with that madness. I just don't see it...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 27, 2021 10:43 PM (BgMrQ)

440 'the Soviet military at the time, which was in no condition for anything like such an offensive.'

Correct. The Red Army on its own territory is entirely different than a Red Army at the end of its supply lines. A lot of the offensive power they had by 1943 was because of the massive infusion of Lend Lease trucks. Take that away and the Soviet Union becomes beatable.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 27, 2021 11:23 PM (roH4R)

441 The first time I heard of this movie was in a Steve Canyon sequence in which an Asian princess wanted to see just one movie that exemplifies the United States. The cartoonist, Milton Caniff, chose this one, which he personally expected to collect several Oscars.

Years later, I finally saw the movie. It did not disappoint.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 28, 2021 01:09 AM (Om/di)

442 My very favorite movie. Thanks for the write up.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at November 28, 2021 01:19 AM (MmpjX)

443 I always cry at the end when the audience expectation is that the man with no hands will botch the ring or similar, but then it turns out his bride is the one who is shaking and he steadies her hand with his hook

Always. No matter how much I steel myself for it, that moment always breaks me

Posted by: arminius256 at November 28, 2021 06:31 PM (Dpgtk)

444 Robert Sherwood was President of the Harvard Lampoon...and one of the tallest at 6'8" (Conan O'Brien was only 6'5" as 2-term President 1984-85) of the Class of 1916 and served in the Royal Canadian Army and was gassed. He was then a very frequent member of the Algonquin Roundtable at the Oak Room for 10 years with fellow Lampoon President Robert C. Benchley, Class of 1912 (his grandson was the late Peter Benchley, author of 'Jaws'.). Benchley won his own Oscar in 1935 (37?) for the short documentary "How to Sleep" (which is on YouTube along with his 1945 documentary on how to be mustered out of the Navy featuring a younger Hugh Beaumont, a study in exasperation when interviewing rambling and tangential Benchley.

Posted by: Donovan Nuera at November 28, 2021 10:05 PM (iucaD)

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