Sunday Morning Book Thread 11-28-2021

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Cărturești Carusel Bookstore, Bucharest, Romania

Good morning to all you 'rons, 'ettes, lurkers, and lurkettes, wine moms, frat bros, and crétins sans pantalon (who are technically breaking the rules). Welcome once again to the stately, prestigious, internationally acclaimed and high-class Sunday Morning Book Thread, a weekly compendium of reviews, observations, snark, witty repartee, hilarious bon mots, and a continuing conversation on books, reading, spending way too much money on books, writing books, and publishing books by escaped oafs and oafettes who follow words with their fingers and whose lips move as they read. Unlike other AoSHQ comment threads, the Sunday Morning Book Thread is so hoity-toity, pants are required. Even this morose twink, who's obviously not looking forward to getting the hose again, would be allowed.



Pic Note:

Apparently, the building used to be a bank:

This wonderful building was built in 1903 by a wealthy family of Greek bankers, only to be confiscated by the Communist regime in the 1950s. It was turned into a general store and later abandoned and left to decay as Communism collapsed.

The grandson of the banker, who originally bought the building back in 1903 requested that it would be returned to his family, as legal heirs... It took 24 years of battles in court, untangling bureaucratic loops, and finding the proper documents in archives, but he finally took possession of the decaying building in 2007. He then began its remarkable transformation to the Cărturești Carusel (“Carousel of Light” bookstore that stands today.

The extensive renovation went above and beyond, creating a stunning shop considered to be one of the most beautiful bookstores in Romania, and even the world...The store’s three floors spread across more than 10,000 square feet that hold as many books. There are elegantly curved balconies on each of the upper levels, a large open space in the middle, and a teahouse on the top floor that offers a great view of the entire bookstore.



It Pays To Increase Your Word Power®

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Usage:

“Excuse the interruption,” said the elf on his left, spitting accurately into the dwarf's left eye, “but I couldn’t help overhearing your conversation with Gabby Hayes. Are you in fact the boggie with the bijou?”

--Bored of the Rings



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Film Adaptations

Finally got a chance to see the new adaptation of Dune this week. I wasn't really looking forward to it due to some negative comments I had heard about it and also, it has a bad track record. That is to say, all of the previous adaptations (both of them) blew chunks. Perhaps that's a bit of an exaggeration, but let's just say they weren't very good. So my expectations weren't very high.

It turned out to be surprisingly good.

As far as adaptations go, I think it compares favorably with Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings films. Meaning, is there stuff about it you can criticize? Yes, certainly. But despite that, it is a reasonably satisfactory adaptation and I don't think it deviated from the book all that much. I could be wrong about this as I have not read Dune in awhile, but nothing I saw in the two and a half hour movie jumped out at me as being incongruous with the book, or wrong, or just silly. And the ornithopters looked kind of badass, albeit impractical.

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This next one is going to be difficult to sell.

Two three months ago, in one of the rant threads, I posted the trailer to the upcoming Foundation series made by Apple TV based on the classic Asimov books which I thought looked interesting, but pretty much all of the comments about it were negative. Lack of fidelity to the source material was the main reason. But I got a chance to watch this one as well, and...

It's also surprisingly good.

And this is kind of weird, because it has many things about it that should make me hate it. First, the trailer commenters were right: this adaptation is not even close to being faithful. The credits say the series is "based on" the Asimov books, but it would be more accurate to say it is "inspired by". Some of the characters have the same names, and the broad plot outline is recognizable if your bird's eye view is up high enough so you don't look too closely at the details. But, other than that, it is quite different.

And the diversity is painfully obvious. Which is OK, since this is a galactic empire so diversity would be a reasonable expectation. But it sometimes feels like they're just shoving it in your face. And two of the main characters which in the first book were specifically identified as male were gender-swapped.

These problems should be enough to make me walk away. But, strangely, I didn't. I think one of the reasons is that they didn't turn it into some sort of 'woke' story or parable and stuck to the main point, that is, political infighting and intrigue that sometimes breaks out in actual fighting.

It's been years since I've read the books, but I think the adaptation has a lot more actual fighting. Most movies and TV gravitates towards that nowadays, anyway. Gotta have action to keep the audience from falling asleep. The action/fighting scenes in Foundation are expertly staged and look pretty intense.

Again, the plot is considerably different than the books. But the story itself was strong enough that it attracted Mrs. Muse's interest, who is generally not a big fan of science fiction. She would sit next to me doing her knitting while I was watching and I noticed that she was doing less knitting and more watching, and she started asking questions about it. So I could tell the story was drawing her in.

The special effects are really good. The scene where Trantor's miles-high beanstalk platform (yes I know it didn't have one in the book) was destroyed by terrorists was fantastic.

So the takeaway here is that if you're a big fan of the Foundation books and really like them as they are, you probably won't enjoy this adaptation. But if you've never read them or have read them and don't care what they do with them, this Apple TV series is worth a watch. It's 10 1-hour episodes and I just read that it has been renewed for a second season.



Who Dis:

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Last week's who dis was actress Sharon Stone.



Books By Morons

'Ette author Elisabeth Wolfe has co-written a short story anthology Sister Muses, 10 stories in all, about 300 pages, about things such as:

Egyptians encountering the God of Israel. Machines that know more than they're telling. Distressed damsels and the princes who love them. World wars and sports rivalries. Prophets and martyrs. Steamships and spaceships. And one question to rule them all. Welcome to Sister Muses, a short story anthology where “What if?” takes you from the ancient past to the distant future and from the heights of outer space to the depths of the human psyche. Whether they're retold tales or our own imaginings, join us in finding out where our muses can go!

I bought it because the Amazon preview had beginning of the story of Potiphar's wife seducing Joesph, a Hebrew sold into slavery by his brothers and I wanted to finish it. I consider the other 9 stories a bonus. After all, it's only $2.99 on Kindle.

Ms. Wolfe also tells me:

Classical Academic Press has recently released the first two volumes of The Curious Historian, a world history series for Grades 3-7. Levels 1 and 2 are mainly about classical antiquity, although there are chapters on China and India as well; I’m co-writing Level 3, which is about the Middle Ages (roughly AD 350-1500, although we might at least tease the Reformation) and is slated for publication in 2023.

This is curricula designed for homeschooling. Details here. Another new site worth looking at is Ancient Paths, started by a minister in Northern Ireland and specializing in literature curricula. He's started with a study on The Chronicles of Narnia, but he hopes to have more out soon.

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Black Friday Sale:



Moron Recommendations

192 Finished reading the biography Pearl Buck in China by Hilary Spurling. The author restricts the biography to Pearl's forty years in China - from early childhood through her teen years and into her twenties and marriage - which are by far the most interesting years of her life. If you enjoy biographies then this is a must-read.

Posted by: 13times at October 31, 2021 09:10 AM (9rMWy)

She sounds like an amazing woman. The Amazon blurb for Pearl Buck in China: Journey to The Good Earth is too long to quote, but here are some facts about Buck's life it relates:

...she was the child of American missionaries.
...she spoke Chinese before she learned English.
...she thought she was Chinese herself until she was eight years old.
...flood, famine, drought, bandits, and war formed the background of Pearl’s life in China.
...her novels were unique in that they spoke for ordinary Asian people.
...the first American woman to win the Nobel Prize for Literature.

Pearl S. Buck actually wrote many novels. The one she is most known for, The Good Earth, is actually the first part of a trilogy.

The Good Earth is Buck’s classic story of Wang Lung, a Chinese peasant farmer, and his wife, O-lan, a former slave. With luck and hard work, the couple’s fortunes improve over the years: They are blessed with sons, and save steadily until one day they can afford to buy property in the House of Wang—the very house in which O-lan used to work. But success brings with it a new set of problems. Wang soon finds himself the target of jealousy, and as good harvests come and go, so does the social order. Will Wang’s family cherish the estate after he’s gone? And can his material success, the bedrock of his life, guarantee anything about his soul?

The sequel to The Good Earth is Sons, and is followed by A House Divided.

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I can recommend the Massie's "Land of the Firebird." It's a love letter to pre-revolutionary Russian Culture. You've probably all read it already, because you read a LOT, but it's one of the few books I've read more than once.

Posted by: Flyover. at November 21, 2021 09:11 AM (Rbu5d)

The Amazon blurb for Land of the Firebird: The Beauty of Old Russia sounds like it came from a glowing review:

'Land of the Firebird' is a WONDERFUL and ENGAGING in-depth look of Russian history from 987-1917, spanning the ascension of Vlad and the Orthodox Church to right before the Revolution. With colorful prose Suzanne Massie details the variety of Russian existence--tsars and serfs and merchant-princes and babushkas--no stone is left uncovered as she cross-references nearly a thousands years, writing with equal consideration of art, poetry, country-life, court-life, politics and its myriad games, myths and legends, influence "outside the sphere."

It is not an inexpensive book. You might do better if you could live with picking up a used copy.

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So, did you know that Thomas Jefferson wanted to establish a democracy in the Pacific Northwest? Well, it was news to me, and little known today, but at the beginning of the 19th Century it was all the talk. I'm reading Peter Stark's "Astoria: Astor and Jefferson's Lost Pacific Empire". The Astoria Expedition, financed by fur freak John Jacob Astor, followed closely on the heels of the Lewis and Clark Expedition. But unlike that famous venture, almost everything on this trip went wrong.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 21, 2021 09:16 AM (Dc2NZ)

No, I did not know this. So let's take a look at Astoria: Astor and Jefferson's Lost Pacific Empire: A Tale of Ambition and Survival on the Early American Frontier:

Six years after Lewis and Clark's began their journey to the Pacific Northwest, two of the Eastern establishment's leading figures, John Jacob Astor and Thomas Jefferson, turned their sights to founding a colony akin to Jamestown on the West Coast and transforming the nation into a Pacific trading power. Author and correspondent for Outside magazine Peter Stark recreates this pivotal moment in American history for the first time for modern readers, drawing on original source material to tell the amazing true story of the Astor Expedition.

But the cost, in human lives, was high. Of the more than one hundred-forty members of the two advance parties that reached the West Coast—one crossing the Rockies, the other rounding Cape Horn—nearly half perished by violence. Others went mad. The enterprise was short-lived, but changed everything.

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If you like, you can follow me on Twitter, where I make the occasional snarky comment.

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So that's all for this week. As always, book thread tips, suggestions, bribes, insults, threats, ugly pants pics and moron library submissions may be sent to OregonMuse, Proprietor, AoSHQ Book Thread, at the book thread e-mail address: aoshqbookthread, followed by the 'at' sign, and then 'G' mail, and then dot cee oh emm.

What have you all been reading this week? Hopefully something good, because, as you all know, life is too short to be reading lousy books.

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Comments

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1 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 28, 2021 09:01 AM (arJlL)

2 Tolle Lege

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2021 09:02 AM (2JoB8)

3 Hola

Posted by: Thanatopsis at November 28, 2021 09:02 AM (UiNHl)

4 Morning, Horde...How goes it? Finished book number 100 for the year! Over 34,000 pages read so far this year...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 28, 2021 09:03 AM (K5n5d)

5 Those 'pants' and the rest of the outfits are stupid and hideous. Maybe the guy(?) is going to be a crash test dummy.

Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2021 09:04 AM (7EjX1)

6 I thought a 'bijou' was something else.
Hmmm. . .

Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2021 09:04 AM (mD/uy)

7 I have not seen the latest Dune adaptation, but I have hear many good things about it, so I will most likely give it a try at some point. I understand it's set itself up for a sequel, though, as it ends somewhere in the mid-point of the book.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 28, 2021 09:04 AM (K5n5d)

8 Good morning fellow Book Threadists. I hope everyone had a great week of reading.

Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2021 09:04 AM (7EjX1)

9 I love the Odyssey...the others not so much

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 09:04 AM (ONvIw)

10 Been busy as all get out
Finished Molly's Rigged Wednesday, started JJ's Thanksgiving finished it in the doldrums of AoSHq yesterday and now onto David Vinings Battle of Lake Erie

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2021 09:04 AM (2JoB8)

11 Oh yeah. Top ten. Yay me!

Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2021 09:05 AM (7EjX1)

12 Nice book store, but I didn't see the mask required signs!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Comrades, if only Comrade Fauci knew! ~ at November 28, 2021 09:05 AM (hOUT3)

13 Our Mystery Guest looks familiar. George Nader?

Just finished -- well, almost -- Merlin's Bones, a 1995 novel by Fred Saberhagen. Strangely for him, the book was awful: filled with "telling" moments instead of "showing," with summaries of dialog instead of the dialog itself, and it was about King Arthur and Merlin, which usually bores me. I skimmed the last few pages and don't even know how it came out.

I'm starting a Ruth Rendell novel, not one of her Inspector Wexfords, called The Girl Next Door. Much better so far, and she is usually great

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 09:06 AM (c6xtn)

14 Haven't read a book in months. Just read on the internet. Is that allowed?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 28, 2021 09:06 AM (7bRMQ)

15 And bought the box set of Chronicles of Narnia for my Grand- niece for Christmas. Strange it showed up after 8pm by a Amazon truck.

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2021 09:07 AM (2JoB8)

16 I've had multiple friends recommend "Coddling of the American Mind" for a while now, and pixy (i think?) threw a related link up the other day... so that might be up next on my reading queue.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 28, 2021 09:07 AM (6FeV1)

17 Finished Dante's Inferno portion of his Divine Comedy this week using the 100 Days of Dante videos as a guide. Fantastic stuff and so apropos for today's world.

Purchased the 'Shorter Book of Blessings" as an ordination gift for my brother. Lots of content in there I had not come across before.

Why yes, I read the books I purchase as gifts. Is that wrong?

Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2021 09:07 AM (mD/uy)

18 Nice book store, but I didn't see the mask required signs!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Comrades, if only Comrade Fauci knew! ~ at November 28, 2021 09:05 AM (hOUT3)

It's Romania. Just be glad they're wearing shirts.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 28, 2021 09:08 AM (6FeV1)

19 I thought a 'bijou' was something else.
Hmmm. . .
Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2021 09:04 AM (mD/uy)


Same here; thanks to OM for setting that straight.

Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at November 28, 2021 09:08 AM (y7DUB)

20 Boy Howdy, Horde!!!

Posted by: SteveOReno, I proudly self-identify as a Moron at November 28, 2021 09:08 AM (L5CMQ)

21 15 And bought the box set of Chronicles of Narnia for my Grand- niece for Christmas. Strange it showed up after 8pm by a Amazon truck.
Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2021 09:07 AM (2JoB


Make sure she reads The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe first!

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 28, 2021 09:08 AM (PiwSw)

22 Nice Bookstore!

Those pants......SMH.

The Who Dis is Dr. Fauci in his younger days when he worked as a rent boy while in kollege.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 28, 2021 09:09 AM (R/m4+)

23 Who dis male - Efrem Zimbalist Jr.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2021 09:09 AM (mD/uy)

24
I'm thinking Dean Martin.

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at November 28, 2021 09:09 AM (dQvv7)

25 Yeah, I thought a "bijou" was a tribesman who swings both ways.

Posted by: peacelovewoodstock at November 28, 2021 09:09 AM (/f5AZ)

26
"You bijou?"

Posted by: Quote from "Hymie Goes To Harlem" - a comedy written in Crayon by Joe Biden at November 28, 2021 09:10 AM (5NkmN)

27 So, busy all week, but managed to read parts of Godwin's Political Justice tome. Nothing new, as Marx out commied him, and Godwin walked it back, but it must have seemed spectacular at the time. The political stuff is why Godwin had so many literary lions (Shelley, Byron, Coleridge, etc) literally at his feet.

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 09:10 AM (ONvIw)

28 Gen. 39:6 Joseph was a handsome man.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 28, 2021 09:11 AM (EZebt)

29 The pants guy doesn't own a weedwhacker (if you catch my drift)

Posted by: JT at November 28, 2021 09:12 AM (arJlL)

30 The "Wheel of Timel series is an "inspired by" show. It bears very little resemblance to the book aside from some character names. I barely got through the first episode.

Posted by: lin-duh at November 28, 2021 09:12 AM (UUBmN)

31 Book pic: Richard Basehart?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 28, 2021 09:12 AM (7bRMQ)

32 Speaking of adaptations, I've watched the first four episodes of The Wheel of Time on Amazon Prime. They basically destroyed the lore of the series within the first sentence of the first episode and it's been somewhat downhill since then.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 28, 2021 09:13 AM (K5n5d)

33 Richard Widmark.

Posted by: Captain Ned at November 28, 2021 09:13 AM (XIfux)

34 Do see the books of Narnia are numbered, actually know nothing about any of them. But was thinking of another book series to get her ( last year got the Rush Revere series) and only knew it was a multi book set but was suggested as a good one (bluebell maybe it was but distinctly remember it was a ette')

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2021 09:13 AM (2JoB8)

35 As far as adaptations go, I think it compares favorably with Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings films.
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An enema compares favorably to Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings films.

The best movie of the three was almost a scene-for-scene reshoot of Ralph Bakshi's (superior) film. From there Jackson veered randomly about Middle Earth destroying any sense of character or plot.

Just think: If Theoden had just been a half-hour late, Aragorn and his Scrubbing Bubbles of Death would have won the battle by themselves.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 09:14 AM (llXky)

36 hey y'all

Posted by: Big V Caffeinated at November 28, 2021 09:14 AM (Adlwz)

37 JT said many time accidentally saw it once but almost every one brings its not for weed whacking.

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2021 09:15 AM (2JoB8)

38 I read Dune in the 70s and liked it. I'm told that each novel in the infinite series is half as good as the one before.

In trying to make it into a film, the new version ditches a lot of plot detail to instead develop the atmosphere of life on this inhospitable planet. It works, and it's a set-up for what's to come. Don't f*ck with the Fremen.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 28, 2021 09:15 AM (ZHVt1)

39 OK, horde. Bijou. The word is bijou. Not "beejer".

Posted by: irright at November 28, 2021 09:16 AM (BB7pQ)

40 Anyone else see nasty Joe Biden's reflection in the pond behind the woman reading? Sneaking up to sniff her hair I'd wager....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 28, 2021 09:16 AM (7bRMQ)

41 Thank you, OregonMuse. Excellent book thread, as always. Your pants photos are getting increasingly dystopian. Your poor browser.

And the Astoria information is something I did not know. So I have a brand new gap in my knowledge to fill.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 28, 2021 09:16 AM (u82oZ)

42 Oops. I meant Richard Basehart, from the TV version of Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.

Posted by: Captain Ned at November 28, 2021 09:17 AM (XIfux)

43 The top photo is almost a shrine to books. Quite the sagas and backstory.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 28, 2021 09:17 AM (u82oZ)

44 Skip, there was a brouhaha about Narnia reading order some years ago.

The collection I have (the right and proper one) has The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe first, followed by Prince Caspian.

The current order is chronological, so it begins with The Magician's Nephew (which is the Narnia origin story).

This is a deeper dive into the question:

https://www.narniaweb.com/books/readingorder/

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 28, 2021 09:18 AM (PiwSw)

45 I like that painting of the girl reading by the stream. What a pleasant image.

Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2021 09:19 AM (7EjX1)

46 Thanks for mentioning Jefferson's Astoria. It looks like a great Christmas gift for my dad.

Posted by: Laura Montgomery at November 28, 2021 09:19 AM (KFIdK)

47 Morning, 'rons and 'ronettes. Have stayed away from the HQ for a few days to decompress.

The first time I ever came across the word "bijoux" was when, as a young boy, I was reading The Romance of Lust and the narrator was obsessing over his governess' perfect little feet and the tiny shoes encasing them, which is probably where my shoe / stocking fetish began.

And because 'bijou' means something small and elegant, it was used as the name for many nickelodeons and movie houses in the silent era.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2021 09:19 AM (2JVJo)

48 Speaking of adaptations, I've watched the first four episodes of The Wheel of Time on Amazon Prime. They basically destroyed the lore of the series within the first sentence of the first episode and it's been somewhat downhill since then.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 28, 2021 09:13 AM (K5n5d)
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My wife had it on last night. I came in during a battle scene and it looked really dull. I'm sooo done with Strong Women Using Magic. The whole thing just looked like a collage of tropes woven together to create a single, pointless mega-trope.

I did a column over at bleedingfool.com last week that goes into greater detail about why modern movies and tv shows suck, and it's basically because all they have are tropes. No one knows anything about life, they all think they are smarter than the author whose works they are adapting, so everything comes out as the same action-centric garbage.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 09:20 AM (llXky)

49 I thought the Sci-Fi Channel adaptation of Dune, the one with William Hurt as Duke Leto, was pretty darn good.

Posted by: James at November 28, 2021 09:20 AM (7Ayyg)

50 Hot Coffee!!!...The Spike(1980) Robert Moss novel which opened my eyes as a 20yr old to the collusion between the Press and the Kremlin...

Posted by: Qmark at November 28, 2021 09:21 AM (emnp2)

51 Seems like a fire hazard to store all those dead trees together.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 28, 2021 09:21 AM (LtGlA)

52 Plus the Mystery Guest pic has George Nader's initials down in the corner.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 09:21 AM (c6xtn)

53
I caught the opening performance of "Boggie with the Bijou" at, not surprisingly, the Bijou Theater over on Boggie Town Road in quaint, historical Whee in '81!

BotR quote FTW!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 28, 2021 09:21 AM (pNxlR)

54 Thanks for the signal boost for the sale, Oregon Muse.

Posted by: Hans Schantz at November 28, 2021 09:22 AM (+leAG)

55 48. Magic is generally problematic for me, being bullshit,ile dragons.

Posted by: CN at November 28, 2021 09:22 AM (ONvIw)

56 And because 'bijou' means something small and elegant, it was used as the name for many nickelodeons and movie houses in the silent era.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2021


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I believe we were told multiple times that the town the Clampetts came from on Beverly Hillbillies had a movie theatre called the Bijou.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 09:22 AM (c6xtn)

57 Wolfus, I think you're correct. Robot Monster FTW!

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 28, 2021 09:22 AM (PiwSw)

58 Went shopping at Avenue Victor Hugo bookstore on Friday. Bought a short book on Victorian England that was a disappointment, a thick history of Britain that I am saving to read during my first week of retirement and The Fall of Eagles, about the dissolution of the houses of Habsburg, Romanov and Hohenzollern. I am certain I already own the last book, but I cannot find it in the house. So the bookshop owner said that if and when I do find it, I can bring back the copy I bought for credit.

Which is good customer service and why I keep going there.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2021 09:23 AM (2JVJo)

59 Read some short SF stories by Fred Hoyle collected in Element 79. Fred Hoyle is known today for being very wrong on his theory of a continuous universe, rather than the physics on elemental synthesis by stars he got right.

A few stories, like Mr. Pym, are autobiographical and very funny. He wrote this just before his death, and it involves a professor dealing with the Devil for his soul.

He wins spectacularly, because he wrote the story. Just not as engaging as The Black Cloud, the best of his stories on my bookshelves.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 28, 2021 09:24 AM (u82oZ)

60 No one knows anything about life, they all think they are smarter than the author whose works they are adapting, so everything comes out as the same action-centric garbage.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 09:20 AM (llXky)
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Yep. Tropes serve the story, not the other way around. The showrunners have no appreciation for the story or its major themes.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 28, 2021 09:24 AM (K5n5d)

61 To my surprise, I'm continuing with the 100 Days of Dante. For some reason I thought my interest would peter out but it hasn't. The commentaries for each Canto actually did a decent job, sometimes excellent, and the story seems as applicable today as it was centuries ago.

I've been supplementing the commentaries with the introductory materials in the Dorothy Sayers version. She does an excellent job providing both historical and current (1940s and 50s) perspectives about The Divine Comedy.

Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2021 09:25 AM (7EjX1)

62 13 Our Mystery Guest looks familiar. George Nader?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 09:06 AM (c6xtn)


Yes!

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 28, 2021 09:25 AM (R+nnz)

63 I thought the Sci-Fi Channel adaptation of Dune, the one with William Hurt as Duke Leto, was pretty darn good.

Posted by: James at November 28, 2021 09:20 AM (7Ayyg)
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Agreed. They actually made the Harkonnens into something other than comically vile antagonists.

The parody version is Doon. It takes place on Arrucks, a dessert planet populated by giant pretzels.

The best part was the constant mockery of Herbert's writing style.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 09:25 AM (llXky)

64 I've finally finished the introduction to the book I've committed myself.
If it wasn't for procrastination I wouldn't have any nation.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, the Phillips screwdriver of the gods at November 28, 2021 09:26 AM (cSyAR)

65 French still use the word bijoux, so I first heard it in French class. Perfectly good word.

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 09:26 AM (ONvIw)

66 Magic is generally problematic for me, being bullshit,ile dragons.
Posted by: CN at November 28, 2021


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Though I write the stuff myself, an awful lot of printed fantasy bores me. And when I began writing my own works, I decreed there were no dragons in my world. I'd had too much exposure to them in stuff like Anne McCaffrey's series (and the fans her work engendered). I realized I had nothing new to say about dragons.

Fred Saberhagen (despite what I said above) and Larry Niven have produced some good fantasy. Magic can be entertaining, if you establish rules for how it works and stick to them.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 09:26 AM (c6xtn)

67 24
I'm thinking Dean Martin.

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at November 28, 2021 09:09 AM (dQvv7)

31 Book pic: Richard Basehart?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 28, 2021 09:12 AM (7bRMQ)


See #13 for correct answer.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 28, 2021 09:26 AM (R+nnz)

68 The "Wheel of Timel series is an "inspired by" show. It bears very little resemblance to the book aside from some character names. I barely got through the first episode.
Posted by: lin-duh at November 28, 2021 09:12 AM (UUBmN)
Speaking of adaptations, I've watched the first four episodes of The Wheel of Time on Amazon Prime. They basically destroyed the lore of the series within the first sentence of the first episode and it's been somewhat downhill since then.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 28, 2021 09:13 AM (K5n5d)


I've never read the "Wheel of Time" series, so I've got nothing invested there.

So far, I'm enjoying the series ju-u-u-ust enough to keep watching, though with each episode it seems to be revealing evermore SJW/Woke-astic inclinations.

If the novel is that basically that it's set in Gal's World, in which 99% of the males are useless drones or kept lap dogs and all male use of power is illegitimate and dangerous...eh, well, I guess no one's got anything to complain about, if they don't dot all the "i"s and cross all the "t"s.
(con't)

Posted by: naturalfake at November 28, 2021 09:27 AM (5NkmN)

69 And because 'bijou' means something small and elegant, it was used as the name for many nickelodeons and movie houses in the silent era.

Aha! That's why I thought it meant theater.

Posted by: t-bird at November 28, 2021 09:27 AM (DMQdU)

70 I ran across this at Calvert Journal (a special interest group on former Soviet Republics which I follow (for Armenia and Georgia especially) on FB), which I thought might interest some among the Book Threadists. It's a reading guide to getting acclimated to Dostoevsky.

https://www.calvertjournal.com/ articles/show/12864/ fyodor-dostoevsky-where-to-start-with-his-literature
Remove blanks.

Posted by: sinmi at November 28, 2021 09:27 AM (A5IVt)

71 52 Plus the Mystery Guest pic has George Nader's initials down in the corner.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 09:21 AM (c6xtn)

I don't think I saw one single film he was in. Face looked generically familiar, but that's it. He gives off a ghey vibe, but I could be wrong.

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 09:29 AM (ONvIw)

72 I did a deep dive into the TBR stack last week, finally resolving to finish a book that I had bought relatively new in college but had abandoned because I disagreed with the author's view of Communists in southern Africa.

The plot piqued my interest, however, so I kept the book.

The protagonist is yet another U.S. agent, from the days when most of us believed that they were working to advance our country against foreign hostiles. The difference with this agent is that she volunteered her services to the CIA out of a need to do something with her life once her children were grown and gone.

This agent? Emily Pollifax.

"Mrs. Pollifax on Safari" finds her on a photography safari in Zambia. Her mission is to take photographs of everybody else in the group because one of them is an international assassin, known only by the name Aristotle.

The bad guys could be Rhodesian agents, and this was where I dropped the book the first time. I think apartheid was stupid, but when you compare that regime with what became Zimbabwe, I think Rhodesia was clearly better.

I'll see how I feel about the book now.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 28, 2021 09:29 AM (Om/di)

73 (con't)

All the "Dragon" candidates, conform to Wokey stereotypes, and that's my main problem. It robs the story of surprises and ultimately interest.

For instance, the reveals episode revealed a DC's power in exactly the way you knew it would practically from the episodes start.

Anyway, readers and lovers of WoT, put me some knowledge...how doeth this adaptation offend thee?

Posted by: naturalfake at November 28, 2021 09:29 AM (5NkmN)

74 Of the more than one hundred-forty members of the two advance parties that reached the West Coast...nearly half perished by violence. Others went mad.

So, the mad ones survived. That explains Portland.

Posted by: t-bird at November 28, 2021 09:29 AM (ELgVT)

75
The cartoon of book titles lacked "War and Ass".

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 28, 2021 09:30 AM (pNxlR)

76 Oh, also bought a book containing the original 10-hour shooting script for Erich von Stroheim's lost masterpiece Greed, which is something I will dip into here and there over the next year. I did finish McTeague, the novel the movie was based on, and I highly recommend it. It's very much in the 'gritty realism' style of writing, and once you get past some of the 1899 wordsmithing, the story really carries you along.

It is the story of McTeague (the novel never gives him a first name), an unlicensed dentist in San Francisco an how he, his friends and his neighbors all fall prey to 'greed,' which comes into their lives in various ways.

Here's a link to an audiobook:
https://tinyurl.com/mterkt9x

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2021 09:30 AM (2JVJo)

77 14 Haven't read a book in months. Just read on the internet. Is that allowed?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 28, 2021 09:06 AM (7bRMQ)


In my opinion, that's bad for you. You need to read actual books. That's what I had to force myself to do, because I fell into the same trap some years ago. I didn't like what looking at nothing but quickie internet hits was doing to my attention span.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 28, 2021 09:30 AM (R+nnz)

78 I don't think I saw one single film he was in. Face looked generically familiar, but that's it. He gives off a ghey vibe, but I could be wrong.

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 09:29 AM (ONvIw)


You're not wrong.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 28, 2021 09:31 AM (R+nnz)

79 I'm thinking Dean Martin.

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at November 28, 2021 09:09 AM (dQvv7)

31 Book pic: Richard Basehart?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 28, 2021 09:12 AM (7bRMQ)

See #13 for correct answer.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 28, 2021 09:26 AM (R+nnz)

That really looks like Basehart. Don't know the guy it is, but I feel sick that I'm wrong and feel like I'll Ralph....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 28, 2021 09:31 AM (7bRMQ)

80 Magic is generally problematic for me, being bullshit,ile dragons.
Posted by: CN at November 28, 2021


***
I recommend James Blish's Black Easter. It's a film-noirish sort of story, not playful or romantic. A chapter where a male character is seduced, willingly, by a beautiful lamia in human female form will leave grim after-echoes in your mind.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 09:32 AM (c6xtn)

81 Those pants are fine but need more tape.

Posted by: Guy with a duct tape wardrobe at November 28, 2021 09:32 AM (Tnijr)

82 Yay Book Thread! Morning, Horde, and Chag Sameach to those who celebrate!

Thanks for the kind words about Sister Muses, OM. We had fun with it. Skip, your grand-niece might enjoy the Ancient Paths study on LWW, even if she's not homeschooling!

Thanks, too, to Flyover for the rec of Land of the Firebird; I'm coming up to a chapter on Byzantium, Bulgaria, and Kievan Rus' for the textbook, so I'll see if the library has that for a text reference. Does anybody (like, say, Miklos) have any other recs for books on the early history of the Bulgars or the Magyars?

*waves to all and sundry*

Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at November 28, 2021 09:32 AM (A65/D)

83 Morning, all! Not much reading this week, although last night I started on one of the Inspector Ian Rutledge mysteries - this one set in the summer of 1914, and dealing with his early career. Very moving evocation of that lost world before WWI. Sometimes readers have asked me if I wanted to carry my historical series through that time, but I haven't been tempted to do so, yet. There was so much lost, including a lot of 19th century optimism about progress.
Not much time to read today, as we're setting up the Christmas tree, and my daughter wants to go full Griswald with the interior decorations.

Posted by: Sgt. Mom at November 28, 2021 09:32 AM (xnmPy)

84 Started an intriguing work of historical fiction, Shadowplay by Joseph O'Connor, about the working relationship between 19th century actor and theater impresario Henry Irving and Bram Stoker, a clerk who was fascinated by Irving in a non homo way enough to be his business manager when he opens the Lyceum theater. It's a vivid work of how hit and miss making a living in the theater was and how nutty and capricious famous actors could be (my mental image of Irving is professional wrestler Seth Rollins). Also it's funny how Stoker, who often took long walks at night during the time of Jack the Ripper, encounters people whose names end up in Dracula. So far so good.

Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at November 28, 2021 09:33 AM (y7DUB)

85
Fred Saberhagen (despite what I said above) and Larry Niven have produced some good fantasy. Magic can be entertaining, if you establish rules for how it works and stick to them.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 09:26 AM (c6xtn)

Solving problems, big and small, with magic is not my thing and I find that too many people are enthralled by that dead end method in their own lives. Hence al the sales of talisman and wicca bullshit.

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 09:34 AM (ONvIw)

86 GoT worked so well because it was character driven. Dragons and magic helped drive the plot without overwhelming it. By the time it neared the end., you knew 30+ characters well, even many dead ones.

Then the show runners decided they had to resolve all these character arcs in a single episode, often contrary to what had been built over many seasons.

I would have centered the ending on Daenerys dying in childbirth (it runs in her family). A new hope amidst chaos all around. Cut to black.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 28, 2021 09:34 AM (ZHVt1)

87 Anyway, readers and lovers of WoT, put me some knowledge...how doeth this adaptation offend thee?
Posted by: naturalfake at November 28, 2021 09:29 AM (5NkmN)

It's completely off the mark. I re-read The Eye of the World (Book 1 of WoT) this week to cleanse my mind of the abomination of the series. The book is SOOO much better! It really is in the top tier fantasy of all time. Even though I've read the book countless times, I savored my re-read as though I was reading it for the first time. GREAT STUFF!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 28, 2021 09:35 AM (K5n5d)

88 Yay Book Thread! Morning, Horde, and Yay Book Thread! Morning, Horde, and Chag Sameach to those who celebrate! to those who celebrate!

Chag Sameach ?

Is that like Snag Sammich ?

Posted by: JT at November 28, 2021 09:35 AM (arJlL)

89 I read a couple of the non-fiction George MacDonald essays regarding imagination and its place in fantasy literature. In his Scottish Victorian manner (which I like) he lays out the value of imagination and its place in human endeavor. You can see the influence he had on CS Lewis and Tolkien, among others. It helps that I agree with his approach, of course.

Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2021 09:35 AM (7EjX1)

90 From Doon:

The boy grew silent. Something was troubling his mother - something she chose to deny rather than explain. And he knew she knew he could perceive them - had she not been his teacher? Had she not made it her own goal, to educate her son in the Boni Maroni Ways and Means?

True, such training was unusual for a boy; the Boni Maroni order was, after all, principally composed of women.

Perhaps I am a woman, Pall thought.

But his heightened powers of observation were able to discern, between his legs and hidden from the casual observer by the clothing of his race, those telltale organs that confirmed his intuition that he was indeed a male-man.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 09:36 AM (llXky)

91 I'll see how I feel about the book now.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 28, 2021 09:29 AM (Om/di)

I read all of the Mrs Pollifax books in the Reader's Digest condensed versions. Didn't pay much attention to the plots though. Of course, that was around mmmfff years ago....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 28, 2021 09:36 AM (7bRMQ)

92
I believe we were told multiple times that the town the Clampetts came from on Beverly Hillbillies had a movie theatre called the Bijou.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius


... and the name of the town was Bugtussle, TX.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 28, 2021 09:36 AM (pNxlR)

93 14 Haven't read a book in months. Just read on the internet. Is that allowed?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 28, 2021 09:06 AM (7bRMQ)
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I tend to agree with OM that NOT reading on a regular basis can be bad for you. Especially if you want to develop as a writer. The Book Thread for me is a GREAT motivator to keep me reading constantly. My goal for the past two years has been to read at least one book a week. So far, I'm keeping to that goal and finding out that I have a lot of really good books that I've never got around to reading until recently. That keeps me going.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 28, 2021 09:37 AM (K5n5d)

94 Currently diving into Germany's Aims in the First World War I by German historian Fritz Fischer.

The German title: Griff nach der Weltmacht: Die Kriegzielpolitik des kaiserlichen Deutschland 1914--1918) means Grab for World Power.

This book is extremely well sourced, and is still extremely controversial 50 years after publication. It seems his conclusions are still unfashionable to many.

He lays out how a similar world view by the elites in Germany led to disastrous foreign policy, WWI, and WWII. Propaganda led the German people to follow the elites.

Seems most apropos for today. It's a big book.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 28, 2021 09:38 AM (u82oZ)

95 Just finished a poorly-written book, one of these "part one of the series" things, the premise is worldwide rioting mostly about covid lockdowns sparked civil wars across the globe.

Cities in ruin from violence, Florida hit with worst hurricane ever wrecking grids, government unable to do anything, no media, no power, food all gone, starvation beginning, but the hero, of course a sealteamsix type, knows how to survive.

Are there any really well-written postapocalyptic novels out there? Most all are just awful.

I've read: A Canticle for Lebovitz, The Road, Ridley Walker, and all the lesser ones. But none of the newer ones are worthwhile.

Suggestions?

Posted by: Mr Gaga at November 28, 2021 09:38 AM (KiBMU)

96 GoT worked so well because it was character driven. Dragons and magic helped drive the plot without overwhelming it. By the time it neared the end., you knew 30+ characters well, even many dead ones.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 28, 2021 09:34 AM (ZHVt1)
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The problem was that Martin was all about the setup and never got around to the payoff. A common feature in modern storytelling.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 09:38 AM (llXky)

97
... and the name of the town was Bugtussle, TX.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 28, 2021


***
I remember Bugtussle . . . but was it in TX? I thought the Clampetts and their kin were Ozark mountain people. ON the other hand, Jed found his oil while "shootin' at some food," so TX makes sense.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 09:38 AM (c6xtn)

98 As far as my own writing, I struggled mightily on Thursday trying to flesh out a scene I had sketched, but realized it simply wasn't working and threw it out. I don't know that, with 32 days left until retirement, I'll be able to concentrate, so I may just leave work on my book until next year.

It's not as if I have a publisher demanding a manuscript, anyway.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2021 09:39 AM (2JVJo)

99 There was a near little movie house in Eugene, OR called the Bijou. My first college apartment was about 2 blocks away, so I used to walk down and catch a movie if I was bored. Apparently it permanently shuttered its doors earlier this year due to financial problems related to the Covid restrictions.

Posted by: PabloD at November 28, 2021 09:39 AM (Mw9bd)

100 I thought the Sci-Fi Channel adaptation of Dune, the one with William Hurt as Duke Leto, was pretty darn good.

Yea, it is a mini-series, a box set DVD. I recall it following the Book, books very well. I seam to recall it have Alia into adulthood. Which may have been from "Children of Dune". I could be wrong, it's been a while since reading and watching them.

Posted by: Paladin at November 28, 2021 09:40 AM (HQma1)

101 . . . But his heightened powers of observation were able to discern, between his legs and hidden from the casual observer by the clothing of his race, those telltale organs that confirmed his intuition that he was indeed a male-man.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021


***
The glossary in the back of Doon alone is worth the price of the paperback!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 09:40 AM (c6xtn)

102 "Germany's Aims in the First World War I"

Chairman Xi appears to be taking China in a similar direction.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 28, 2021 09:40 AM (ZHVt1)

103 Clampetts were from East Texas.

Posted by: f'd at November 28, 2021 09:40 AM (Tnijr)

104 MPPPP, have you taken all your vacay days?

Posted by: Infidel at November 28, 2021 09:40 AM (LZkdC)

105
Solving problems, big and small, with magic is not my thing and I find that too many people are enthralled by that dead end method in their own lives.


Magic is to fantasy literature as time travel is to science fiction -- worked yourself into a literary corner? Hey, presto! Magic or time travel to the rescue!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 28, 2021 09:41 AM (pNxlR)

106 A lesson culled from Bored of the Rings! Nice!

But no cat seeks to bring order to bookshelves. Quite the opposite.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at November 28, 2021 09:42 AM (Dc2NZ)

107 It's completely off the mark...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 28, 2021 09:35 AM (K5n5d)


Hi Prof Squirrel!

Not to be dense. But, in what way is it off the mark?

I like Lynch's DUNE a lot not the least because it makes a far-future world concrete and very different fro our own as well as following the general story of DUNE but IMO not violating it. But, it is not a page following faithful adaption.

Why is WoT so off the mark?

Posted by: naturalfake at November 28, 2021 09:42 AM (5NkmN)

108 You can see the influence he had on CS Lewis and Tolkien, among others. It helps that I agree with his approach, of course.
Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2021 09:35 AM (7EjX1)

Imagination is very useful in human endeavor, absolutely, but in current entertainment, most "imagination" is repetitive and then it's not very imaginative or new. The recycling of Jane Austen's characters is one of my favorite examples of this. It allows an author to largely avoid creating his/her own characters and scenarios and churn out serialized versions of someone else's work. Hollywood's constant remakes are irritating too, as are things like the Father Brown crap on PBS which takes a perfectly good character and twists him into a woke person.

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 09:42 AM (ONvIw)

109 who dis

the model for Howdy Doodle doll

Posted by: REDACTED at November 28, 2021 09:42 AM (us2H3)

110
... those telltale organs that confirmed his intuition that he was indeed a male-man.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd

Doon
is the story of John Kasich's father? Good to know!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 28, 2021 09:43 AM (pNxlR)

111 The Clampetts were from the Ozarks, where the slow's creator, Paul Henning, vacationed many times in his youth.

Some have posited that Bugtussle was in Tennessee.

Certainly not Texas.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 28, 2021 09:44 AM (Om/di)

112 MPPPP mentioned picking up "The Poet and the Murderer" about forger and murderer Mark Hoffman. I was vaguely aware of Hoffman and the Salamander letter while the whole thing was in the news, being from Utah. I got the book out of the library and really enjoyed it, though being a Utahn and what I guess you could call "an ethnic Mormon" (pioneer descendant in the best/worst possible ways but not in the church), I found the author's treatment of Utah to be a little on the "Gorillas in the Mist" side. I was surprised to find out that Hoffman grew up on the street I live on. Anyway, recommended.

Posted by: Plum Duff at November 28, 2021 09:44 AM (bJpfd)

113 The recycling of Jane Austen's characters is one of my favorite examples of this. It allows an author to largely avoid creating his/her own characters and scenarios and churn out serialized versions of someone else's work. Hollywood's constant remakes are irritating too, as are things like the Father Brown crap on PBS which takes a perfectly good character and twists him into a woke person.
Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 09:42 AM (ONvIw)


Even so, I did think "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies" was great fun. I didn't expect to like it, but I did.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 28, 2021 09:44 AM (PiwSw)

114 Great Asspectations

Posted by: 9th grade f'd at November 28, 2021 09:45 AM (Tnijr)

115 MPPPP, have you taken all your vacay days?
Posted by: Infidel at November 28, 2021 09:40 AM (LZkdC)


No. I have tomorrow off, Monday the 12th and Friday the 31st. I can't take any time off during Christmas week, as we will be down one person, but I am hoping to get 1 or 2 more days off next month. Sadly, it's not really my call.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2021 09:45 AM (2JVJo)

116 The glossary in the back of Doon alone is worth the price of the paperback!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 09:40 AM (c6xtn)
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"The most magnificent Science Fiction Epic Saga Series In Science Fiction Epic Saga Series History!"

Doon
Doon Megshugganah
Men, Women, Children, Pets of Doon
Lord God Help Us, Another Sequel to Doon
The Doon Reference Book, Atlas and Rhyming Dictionary
The Doon Catalog of Quality Menswear for Dad 'n' Lad

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 09:46 AM (llXky)

117 This is curricula designed for homeschooling.

Seems to me if you are a writer, this is a growing market, in an overall declining market.

I read Pearl Buck's The Good Earth many moons ago. I liked it.

I'm currently reading The Byworlder by Poul Anderson, a 1971 sci-fi yarn about an alien ship visiting Earth, with some neat twists to it so far. Not your usual invasion type tale. It's holding my interest.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 28, 2021 09:46 AM (F0YaR)

118 ON the other hand, Jed found his oil while "shootin' at some food," so TX makes sense.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 09:38 AM (c6xtn)


Another one of those songs I misheard as a child; I always thought the lyrics were

Now listen to a story 'bout a man named Jed,
A poor mountaineer, barely kept his family dead.
Then one day he was shooting at a fool
When out from the ground came a bubblin' tool.

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette, just to clarify things at November 28, 2021 09:46 AM (nz3hB)

119 I think it's better to start the Narnia series with "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" so that you, the reader, are introduced to this new land along with the children.

It makes the beginning all the more magical and the "might have been" of a horrible place like Charn all the creepier.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at November 28, 2021 09:47 AM (Dc2NZ)

120 A small man is made of small thoughts.

Posted by: Victor Hugo at November 28, 2021 09:47 AM (jYQlA)

121 I tend to agree with OM that NOT reading on a regular basis can be bad for you. Especially if you want to develop as a writer. The Book Thread for me is a GREAT motivator to keep me reading constantly. My goal for the past two years has been to read at least one book a week. So far, I'm keeping to that goal and finding out that I have a lot of really good books that I've never got around to reading until recently. That keeps me going.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 28, 2021 09:37 AM (K5n5d)

Thanks for OM and you to respond. My eyes are just so bad anymore that it's easier to read off the screen and enlarge the font than to read out of a book. I do have quite a few sitting around I've spent money on and never yet read.

I like reading colonial and Revolutionary non fiction, but with the way things are going these days, it's hard to read about all the sacrifices it took to win Independence and so many of our leaders are trying to take it away. If Washington knew what would happens, would he have said, nah forget it, I'll just stay at Mount Vernon....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 28, 2021 09:47 AM (7bRMQ)

122 Why is WoT so off the mark?
Posted by: naturalfake at November 28, 2021 09:42 AM (5NkmN)
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The lore involves a very specific duality in the relationships between men and women. In the back story, the male half of the One Power (magic) was corrupted by the Dark One as the men attempted to seal the Dark One back in his prison. In the adaptation, they flat out state that it's men's fault that the One Power is now "tainted" by the Dark One's corruption. Flat out NOT true in the novels (it's complicated). They also changed the back stories of the main characters enough to significantly alter their motivations for participating in the main story. It gets really, really bad by episode 4 such that there is no possibility of telling ANY kind of faithful adaptation of the original. They have set pieces from the original, but not the context for those scenes.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 28, 2021 09:47 AM (K5n5d)

123
On the other hand, Jed found his oil while "shootin' at some food," so TX makes sense.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius


"And then one day he was shootin' at some food,
When up from the ground come a bubblin' crude.
Oil, that is ... Black Gold ... Texas Tea ..."

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 28, 2021 09:47 AM (pNxlR)

124 Doon Megshugganah

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at November 28, 2021 09:48 AM (Dc2NZ)

125 Even so, I did think "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies" was great fun. I didn't expect to like it, but I did.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 28, 2021 09:44 AM (PiwSw)

This sounds like an author ridiculing the Austen knockoffs, which need ridicule.

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 09:48 AM (ONvIw)

126 >>The recycling of Jane Austen's characters is one of my favorite examples of this. It allows an author to largely avoid creating his/her own characters and scenarios and churn out serialized versions of someone else's work.


Austen's work is the ultimate Hollywood 'remake/reboot' material, along with Shakespeare.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 28, 2021 09:48 AM (bDqIh)

127 Imagination is very useful in human endeavor, absolutely, but in current entertainment, most "imagination" is repetitive and then it's not very imaginative or new. The recycling of Jane Austen's characters is one of my favorite examples of this. It allows an author to largely avoid creating his/her own characters and scenarios and churn out serialized versions of someone else's work. Hollywood's constant remakes are irritating too, as are things like the Father Brown crap on PBS which takes a perfectly good character and twists him into a woke person.

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 09:42 AM (ONvIw)
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Hmmm, maybe that's why my take on Austen (Scorpion's Pass: A Tale of Love and War) never took off - I should have just called it "Jane Austen's Dune!"

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 09:49 AM (llXky)

128 I read WoT all the way thru. Men are not in power because of the taint on their half of the world. Women are not super heroes. They are just a selfish and greedy as men. The truly evil are women, Seanchan especially. Perrin is a mope and , I can't stand him. When Rand stops moping, he gets to his work and is very good. If someone thinks this series is pro chick/fem, they haven't read it or have and will never see the incompetence.

Posted by: Jamaica Queens at November 28, 2021 09:49 AM (b+v9B)

129 As I read more from George MacDonald, fiction and non-fiction, and the writers he influenced, I am increasingly interested. It's like being able to trace out the many threads of a web, gradually illuminated, that gives form to a whole image.

This is especially on my mind as I am about to start my 56th annual reading of LOTR. (Yeah, I'm sorta strange.)

Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2021 09:50 AM (7EjX1)

130 Doon Megshugganah

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at November 28, 2021


***
From the glossary:
"Orthodontothopter: a device consisting of fixed metal appliances held in place by rubber bands. Expensive, but in the long run definitely worth it."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 09:50 AM (c6xtn)

131 If it doesn't involve a ball and a score, I am not interested.

Posted by: Jamaica Queens at November 28, 2021 09:50 AM (b+v9B)

132 Hmmm, maybe that's why my take on Austen (Scorpion's Pass: A Tale of Love and War) never took off - I should have just called it "Jane Austen's Dune!"
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 09:49 AM (llXky)

Or maybe Pemberley Pass?

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 09:51 AM (ONvIw)

133 Austen's work is the ultimate Hollywood 'remake/reboot' material, along with Shakespeare.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 28, 2021 09:48 AM (bDqIh)
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Yeah, but Bride and Prejudice is a treat. Love the film. Of course, it's Bollywood, not Hollywood...

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 09:51 AM (llXky)

134 WoT series... how to begin? First off, there was no big ceremony to get into the womens circle, like being thrown off a cliff into a river. Braiding of the hair was just an outward sign of being of an age to marry/adulthood. Like shaving or carrying a sword. The main characters were not having sex, it was a much more innocent thing of everyone expecting they would marry one day. Perrin was not married or accidentally killed his wife. Mat was a rogue, mischievous boy. Not an unlikeable thief. LAN was supposed to be a giant of a man not a small guy almost the same size as his aes sedai. The wisdom was not rejected from the white tower because of class/ social standing. Etc., etc.....

Posted by: lin-duh at November 28, 2021 09:51 AM (UUBmN)

135 Jed's a "poor mountaineer" which suggests either Ozarks or Appalachians. Now, it's entirely possible that sitcom writers didn't bother to distinguish between those places and Texas, lumping it all together in the "not Manhattan or California" category.

Although I suspect Texans would invoke a different set of stereotypes, as seen in the series Dallas.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 28, 2021 09:51 AM (QZxDR)

136 I have a tenuous personal connection to one of the leading lights in this saga.

Karl Helfferich was the German Finance Minister and held other positions in WWI. He was in the inner circle, although his good advice was often disregarded. He could have helped avoid WWII, but he was killed in a train accident in 1924.

I corresponded with his son, Friedrich Helfferich, on a Europa war game forum. I was one of those that persuaded him to tell his life story. He had a fascinating and quite varied life.
He loved to tell us stories of being a Signal Corps officer in the 26th Panzer Division

FredStories: The Memoirs of Friedrich G. Helfferich as Told Online. I wrote about it in the Book Thread in 2020: http://acecomments.mu.nu/?blog=86&post=386440. Comment 91.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 28, 2021 09:52 AM (u82oZ)

137
device consisting of fixed metal appliances held in place by rubber bands


Man, those suckers stung whenever they broke loose!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 28, 2021 09:53 AM (pNxlR)

138 Past 100, so:

Good morning!

Let's smile & be happy & strike fear in the hearts of killjoy leftists everywhere.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 28, 2021 09:53 AM (u82oZ)

139 Good morning, OM, Horde

Posted by: callsign claymore at November 28, 2021 09:54 AM (AT7TD)

140 MPPPP mentioned picking up "The Poet and the Murderer" about forger and murderer Mark Hoffman. I was vaguely aware of Hoffman and the Salamander letter while the whole thing was in the news, being from Utah. I got the book out of the library and really enjoyed it, though being a Utahn and what I guess you could call "an ethnic Mormon" (pioneer descendant in the best/worst possible ways but not in the church), I found the author's treatment of Utah to be a little on the "Gorillas in the Mist" side.
Posted by: Plum Duff at November 28, 2021 09:44 AM (bJpfd)


I believe I read an earlier book on this case; it might have been "A Gathering of Saints" from the 80s. I'll check out this newer one. There's been a good documentary on the crime, "Murder Among the Mormons" released this year, and it's also quite good. I'm always leery about these stories, they can tend to take a "Can you believe how stooooopid these believers are?" but this played it straight.

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette, just to clarify things at November 28, 2021 09:54 AM (nz3hB)

141 Bijou

Jambalaya, crawfish pie, filé gumbo
For tonight I'm gon' see mah cher a mio
Pick guitar, fill fruit jar, and be gay-oh
Son of a gun, we'll have big fun on the bijou!

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 09:54 AM (m45I2)

142
America ceased to be great and tough when orthodontics ceased to be painful and humiliating.

Discuss.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 28, 2021 09:54 AM (pNxlR)

143 The Clampetts were from the Ozarks, where the slow's creator, Paul Henning, vacationed many times in his youth.
Some have posited that Bugtussle was in Tennessee.
Certainly not Texas.
Posted by: Weak Geek at November 28, 2021 09:44 AM (Om/di)

Concur. Hillbillies from the Ozarks. They never mention any State.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 28, 2021 09:55 AM (R/m4+)

144 Jed's a "poor mountaineer" which suggests either Ozarks or Appalachians. Now, it's entirely possible that sitcom writers didn't bother to distinguish between those places and Texas, lumping it all together in the "not Manhattan or California" category.

Although I suspect Texans would invoke a different set of stereotypes, as seen in the series Dallas.
Posted by: Trimegistus at November 28, 2021


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Petticoat Junction and Green Acres, remember, were set in the same universe. I can't recall the name of the nearby town where Sam had his general store. But the whole thing did not seem like TV-Texas.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 09:55 AM (c6xtn)

145
That's a lot of work simply to change one word, Muldoon!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 28, 2021 09:55 AM (pNxlR)

146 I did get a copy of Henryk Sienkiewicz' With Fire and Sword, which I'll probably start, in earnest, soon. I did read the first chapter which started violently with a major character being rescued from a hanging. The description made me realize that Henryk did his research or actually saw someone who survived a near hanging. So far, I'm satisfied.

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 09:56 AM (ONvIw)

147 Concur. Hillbillies from the Ozarks. They never mention any State.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 28, 2021 09:55 AM (R/m4+)
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For some reason I always assumed it was Arkansas...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 28, 2021 09:56 AM (K5n5d)

148 As a kid, I thought the oil squirting out of Jed's land was some kind of weird buzz saw cutting its way out of the earth.

The "Texas tea" line was not an indicator of Texas.

These days, I get a kick out of OK Oil, which leased Jed's land, being in Tulsa.

While I'm on this -- where was the first oil strike in Texas?

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 28, 2021 09:56 AM (Om/di)

149 I did get a copy of Henryk Sienkiewicz' With Fire and Sword, which I'll probably start, in earnest, soon. I did read the first chapter which started violently with a major character being rescued from a hanging. The description made me realize that Henryk did his research or actually saw someone who survived a near hanging. So far, I'm satisfied.
Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021


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Same author as Quo Vadis?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 09:57 AM (c6xtn)

150 Magic is generally problematic for me, being bullshit, i.e. dragons.
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Me too. No D&D 'wargaming' and no spell/dragon fantasy books for me although I don't mind classics like LOTR with their background [although I haven't read them]. And I don't class mythology of gods and heroes with fantasy.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 28, 2021 09:57 AM (UHVv4)

151 I'm re-reading Leigh Brackett's _Book of Skaith_ -- a fixup of three novels about tough hombre Eric John Stark on the planet Skaith.

She knew how to hook the reader in. Ten pages into the story and Stark's already had to fight for his life twice.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 28, 2021 09:58 AM (QZxDR)

152 Petticoat Junction and Green Acres, remember, were set in the same universe. I can't recall the name of the nearby town where Sam had his general store. But the whole thing did not seem like TV-Texas.

Wasn't it Hooterville?

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette at November 28, 2021 09:58 AM (nz3hB)

153 Jordan spent ages going over the thoughts and habits of minor women characters when at the end, the most important character was Mazrim Taim and the most important story line was the Seanchan.

Posted by: Jamaica Queens at November 28, 2021 09:58 AM (b+v9B)

154
Beverly Hillbillies, Petticoat Junction and Green Acres
, remember, were set in the same universe ... on which CBS had a profitable lock, until the sophistos in Manhattan decided that they had to end it, with extreme prejudice.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 28, 2021 09:58 AM (pNxlR)

155 On another topic, I wrote a short story, a quite dirty short story. Not really porn; I guess you could call it tow truck fanfic lol. I'd be curious to see what other people might think of it if there is any interest. The few people who have read it have had the gamut of reactions from "hilarious" to "tense" to "sick rape fantasy", the latter being from my lefty in-laws. I think it's at least pretty well written and has a few dark laughs. It is also about as far from woke as you can get. In fact it's soooper straight. Let me know if you think that could be something you'd enjoy reading.

Posted by: Plum Duff at November 28, 2021 09:58 AM (bJpfd)

156 and the world was saved by a guy eating cheese next to a river

Posted by: Jamaica Queens at November 28, 2021 09:59 AM (b+v9B)

157 >>Yeah, but Bride and Prejudice is a treat. Love the film. Of course, it's Bollywood, not Hollywood...


Oh, that one is fun!

Posted by: Lizzy at November 28, 2021 09:59 AM (bDqIh)

158 Posted by: lin-duh at November 28, 2021 09:51 AM (UUBmN)
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And that was just the first episode! They also never explain the significance of Tam's heron-marked blade (terribly designed), which is enormously important in the story. Nor have they introduced Min in the series yet, and she's absolutely pivotal in her own way. Just an awful series all around. It's also clear that they have already maxed out their budget on special effects as the first four episodes have been spent mainly hiding out in the wilderness, despite key events that need to take place in a city environs.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 28, 2021 09:59 AM (K5n5d)

159 99 There was a near little movie house in Eugene, OR called the Bijou. My first college apartment was about 2 blocks away, so I used to walk down and catch a movie if I was bored. Apparently it permanently shuttered its doors earlier this year due to financial problems related to the Covid restrictions.

Posted by: PabloD at November 28, 2021 09:39 AM (Mw9bd)


I've seen many movies there. It used to be a church.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 28, 2021 10:00 AM (R+nnz)

160
While I'm on this -- where was the first oil strike in Texas?
Posted by: Weak Geek


Spindletop?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 28, 2021 10:00 AM (pNxlR)

161 America ceased to be great and tough when orthodontics ceased to be painful and humiliating.

Discuss.


*****

Difficult times lay ahead and orthodontists will be scarce. Brace yourself!

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 10:01 AM (m45I2)

162 In WoT the men's magical powers were tainted when they tried to save the world from the dark one. Now people fear men using the power aka channeling because it drives them crazy. It is a complicated story with nuances that are completely lost or twisted in the adaptation.

Posted by: lin-duh at November 28, 2021 10:01 AM (UUBmN)

163 Wolfus Aurelius

I highly recommend Black Easter. And the ending of the sequel The Day After Judgment is also excellent. James Blish did an excellent job here.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 28, 2021 10:01 AM (u82oZ)

164 @144 --

Pixley. (That's how I spell it.)

Were the Henning shows the first shared universe on TV?

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 28, 2021 10:02 AM (Om/di)

165 Same author as Quo Vadis?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 09:57 AM (c6xtn)

Yes. With Fire and Sword is the first book in his trilogy. This one is Cossacks against Poles, the second is the Swedes v Poles, and the third is the Ottomans. Historical fiction, but if I read one single bit about dragons, I'm burning it/s

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 10:02 AM (ONvIw)

166 Beverly Hillbillies, Petticoat Junction and Green Acres, remember, were set in the same universe ... on which CBS had a profitable lock, until the sophistos in Manhattan decided that they had to end it, with extreme prejudice.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 28, 2021 09:58 AM (pNxlR)


There's a name for what CBS did there, the "Friday Night Massacre" or something like that where a whole bunch of "rural" themed shows got the axe.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 28, 2021 10:02 AM (R+nnz)

167 I've seen many movies there. It used to be a church.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 28, 2021 10:00 AM (R+nnz)

Then our "leaders" got their wish. Shut down an entertainment site and worship site for those dirty non elites!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 28, 2021 10:02 AM (7bRMQ)

168 There was a near little movie house in Eugene, OR called the Bijou. My first college apartment was about 2 blocks away, so I used to walk down and catch a movie if I was bored. Apparently it permanently shuttered its doors earlier this year due to financial problems related to the Covid restrictions.

Posted by: PabloD at November 28, 2021 09:39 AM (Mw9bd)

I've seen many movies there. It used to be a church.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 28, 2021 10:00 AM (R+nnz)


Heh, a church that was turned into a theatre. In Victoria, BC, there is (or was) a little movie theatre named the Roxy Cine-gog. Their slogan is "Movies are our religion!"

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette at November 28, 2021 10:03 AM (nz3hB)

169 108 ... "Imagination is very useful in human endeavor, absolutely, but in current entertainment, most "imagination" is repetitive and then it's not very imaginative or new. The recycling of Jane Austen's characters is one of my favorite examples of this. It allows an author to largely avoid creating his/her own characters and scenarios and churn out serialized versions of someone else's work. Hollywood's constant remakes are irritating too, as are things like the Father Brown crap on PBS which takes a perfectly good character and twists him into a woke person."

CN, If I have it right, MacDonald (and Lewis and Tolkien) regards imagination as a link of man to Divine creation, on a much lower level of course. The imaginative impulse comes from God, as does the means for man to express that desire. Simply producing a product, like endless remakes, doesn't qualify as imagination or even creativity. MacDonald would regard the modern use of 'imagination' as incorrect, maybe corrupted.

BTW, I agree about the Father Brown series. It has its moments but aren't a patch on the original stories.

Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2021 10:04 AM (7EjX1)

170 The people in Petticoat Junction and Green Acres and The Beverly Hillbilly's all came from the same area right?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at November 28, 2021 10:04 AM (IIAOb)

171 Perfessor Squirrel,
I barely got through the first episode. Won't bother with the rest.

Posted by: lin-duh at November 28, 2021 10:04 AM (UUBmN)

172 Thanks to all WoT fans for your observations.

After, episode 4, I suspected I might be watching a wokefest "inspired" by WoT. Mostly because everything was so simple - plot, people, etc. I couldn't see how it would maintain a long series.

And yes, the budget must be microscopic. A bit of CGI and lots of walking and talking.
The pace demanded by the story should means that it runs, but it merely saunters.

I'll give it an episode or two more, but I'm losing interest.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 28, 2021 10:05 AM (5NkmN)

173 Remove blanks.
Posted by: sinmi
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That's what I said!

Posted by: alec baldwin at November 28, 2021 10:05 AM (UHVv4)

174 Me too. No D&D 'wargaming' and no spell/dragon fantasy books for me although I don't mind classics like LOTR with their background [although I haven't read them]. And I don't class mythology of gods and heroes with fantasy.
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 28, 2021


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I call my stuff "hardboiled fantasy": Magic works and is an essential part of the economy, like electricity for us -- but people still have to earn a living, and even their use of magic is subject to economic forces. I tend to write not about kings, lords, and ladies, but about ex-soldiers, prostitutes (not with hearts of gold, but not evil), and magicians who love to eat, drink, and marry multiple times. I like to say, if James M. Cain had ever written a fantasy novel, my stuff would be like that.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 10:05 AM (c6xtn)

175 @55

I think there's different levels of "magic" in books that are acceptable to me. If it's a crutch for not having a good plot, then I'll pass, but if its the reason for the "McGuffin" (Lord of the Rings) then I'm on board.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 10:06 AM (AwPyG)

176 " The people in Petticoat Junction and Green Acres and The Beverly Hillbilly's all came from the same area right?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby"

Yeah Southern California.

Posted by: f'd at November 28, 2021 10:06 AM (Tnijr)

177 When I had my braces, the bands were wired on.

It hurt so much when the replacement wires were placed on my back teeth. The wires scraped the edges of my mouth.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 28, 2021 10:06 AM (Om/di)

178 @173

Ha!

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 10:06 AM (AwPyG)

179 And I don't class mythology of gods and heroes with fantasy.
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 28, 2021

neither do I, as they are definitely of their time.

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 10:07 AM (ONvIw)

180 I'm currently in Dave Eggers' "The Every", a sequel to "The Circle". It's set in the near future and the happy face fascism of intrusive social media has its tendrils in everything. Our heroine and her friend live in one of the few "free zones" currently allowed in San Francisco, and they plan to send her into the Every company as a spy and saboteur. It's hilarious and creepy.

It is set in the aftermath of The Release ten years earlier, in which the complete e-mail history of four billion people was made public, "and after six months of handwringing, recriminations, a few thousand murders and perhaps a half-million suicides, the world forgot about The Release, and what it said about our means of communication and who stored and controlled it, and simply accommodated it, kneeling before new masters."

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at November 28, 2021 10:07 AM (Dc2NZ)

181 The people in Petticoat Junction and Green Acres and The Beverly Hillbilly's all came from the same area right?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at November 28, 2021


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PJ and GA, certainly. I think there was a crossover once between BH and PJ -- or maybe it was because Bea Benaderet played the hotel owner in PJ, and also a cousin of the Clampetts. I'm not sure it was the same character.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 10:07 AM (c6xtn)

182 Beverly Hillbillies, Petticoat Junction and Green Acres, remember, were set in the same universe ... on which CBS had a profitable lock, until the sophistos in Manhattan decided that they had to end it, with extreme prejudice.

I think Hogan's Heroes got the axe at the same time, though I might be wrong. That was another show that ran too long, and the sixth season with Kenneth Washington replacing Ivan Dixon is useless.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2021 10:08 AM (2JVJo)

183 I'm a little nervous about an alternate history book where Joseph actually gets seduced by Potiphar's wife.

It would change his whole point, in the Bible.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 10:08 AM (AwPyG)

184 7 I have not seen the latest Dune adaptation, but I have hear many good things about it, so I will most likely give it a try at some point. I understand it's set itself up for a sequel, though, as it ends somewhere in the mid-point of the book.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 28, 2021 09:04 AM (K5n5d)


I re-read the novel the week before going to see the film. I enjoyed it and felt it was a reasonable adaptation. I did not see the miniseries adaptation, just this and Lynch's.

I expect some form of story compression and there is some in this adaptation, but not the egregious snipping and resequencing of events that Lynch did. There also no entirely new things, like "weirding modules".

Complaints: gender swap of a significant character and that character's dual identity is revealed from the get-go, the Fremen in the book are patriarchal tribes, which does not go with the gender swap. You don't get a sense of the scale of the empire (10s of thousands of planets) and that it's completely feudal. And that there is strict control on tech research to keep this that way.

Recommend reading (or re-reading) the novel before seeing this version.


Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at November 28, 2021 10:08 AM (8C7+r)

185
Isn't a "bijou" a fancy type of dog?

Or a sex act?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 28, 2021 10:09 AM (J/v97)

186 Humble Bundle has a new bundle on drawing and writing comics. There's also a bunch of WH40K audiobooks.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 10:09 AM (Psn3N)

187 I had to smile a bit when I read about George MacDonald's view of allegory in the creative process. I was reminded of Tolkien's remarks about allegory in his preface to LOTR (hint: he does not like it) and Lewis' explicit claim that the characters in his space trilogy are fictional and NOT allegorical.

Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2021 10:09 AM (7EjX1)

188 I'm a bit miffed at Barnes and Noble at the moment. I have a nook (for reading on the road) and after having to re-set it, I can't access the ebooks I've bought from Barnes and Noble. I can side-load books I've downloaded to my laptop. But the books I have to download straight from B&N.....Nope. Looks like I'll have to do another reset of the device again, or something....

Based on some mentions on the thread, I bought 'Billan the Bard' and 'Cheesemaker Dursden' as Christmas gifts for my nieces. Now I just need them to arrive so I can preview them.

Posted by: Castle Guy at November 28, 2021 10:09 AM (Lhaco)

189 Granny was my favorite Clampett.

Especially when she would go to "war" over something, start singing hymns, and don her Confederate uniform.

Hilarious!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 28, 2021 10:09 AM (R/m4+)

190 Another TV crossover that not many people know: Friends, Mad About You, and Seinfeld were all part of the same universe. Phoebe's annoying sister Ursula was in both F and MAY, of course. But we were shown that Paul, the husband in MAY, had once been the roommate of . . . Kramer!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 10:09 AM (c6xtn)

191 I dont know if it's trueor not. From the Internets:

One of the preliminary titles of Petticoat Junction, a spinoff of The Beverly Hillbillies set near the Clampetts' original home, was Ozark Widow.

Posted by: f'd at November 28, 2021 10:09 AM (Tnijr)

192 When I had my braces, the bands were wired on.

It hurt so much when the replacement wires were placed on my back teeth. The wires scraped the edges of my mouth.
Posted by: Weak Geek at November 28, 2021 10:06 AM (Om/di)

My wife is currently doing the braces thing and she's always griping about that. I don't remember having nearly as many issues as her. Day after tightening...sucked

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 28, 2021 10:10 AM (/6GbT)

193 My eyes are just so bad anymore that it's easier to read off the screen and enlarge the font than to read out of a book. I do have quite a few sitting around I've spent money on and never yet read.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 28, 2021 09:47 AM (7bRMQ)


That's why I do most of my reading from my tablet. I have the Kindle, Nook, and Google Book apps installed and I can make the fonts as large as I want.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 28, 2021 10:10 AM (R+nnz)

194 Weak Geek

I've been to Bugtussle for a wedding. My dairy farming cousin married a comely native.

The church was a bit extravagant for the very rural area, but it turns out a fair number of people want Bugtussle on their wedding certificate. Hunh.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 28, 2021 10:10 AM (u82oZ)

195 Have a great day, everyone. Chores await.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 28, 2021 10:11 AM (u82oZ)

196 Beverly Hillbillies, Petticoat Junction and Green Acres, remember, were set in the same universe ... on which CBS had a profitable lock, until the sophistos in Manhattan decided that they had to end it, with extreme prejudice.

I think Hogan's Heroes got the axe at the same time, though I might be wrong. That was another show that ran too long, and the sixth season with Kenneth Washington replacing Ivan Dixon is useless.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2021


***
The story goes -- I think it was said by Pat Buttram, "Mr. Haney" of GA -- that "If a show had a tree in it, it got canceled, even Lassie."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 10:12 AM (c6xtn)

197 Day after tightening...sucked
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It was hell! My appointments always seemed to be right before major holidays. Mashed potatoes yes, turkey no.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at November 28, 2021 10:13 AM (Dc2NZ)

198
When I had my braces, the bands were wired on.

It hurt so much when the replacement wires were placed on my back teeth. The wires scraped the edges of my mouth.
Posted by: Weak Geek


I remember that my orthodontist would gather together all the ends of the newly strung wires and twist them together just outside my mouth, much like a electrician does at junction boxes with newly run wires in new home construction, before cutting them back.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 28, 2021 10:13 AM (pNxlR)

199 First Toronto snowfall of the season today and I saw a dog running for joy out in the football field of the grade school from my backyard. Now local TV news reporting on the weather showing doggehs having fun in a snow-covered park.

Posted by: alec baldwin at November 28, 2021 10:13 AM (UHVv4)

200 That's why I do most of my reading from my tablet. I have the Kindle, Nook, and Google Book apps installed and I can make the fonts as large as I want.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 28, 2021 10:10 AM (R+nnz)

All of ours are broken and since I'll probably never work again, I have to find stuff online to read off the computer. Well, off to workout. Back later.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 28, 2021 10:14 AM (7bRMQ)

201
Jethro's and Jethrine's mum was the mum on Petticoat Junction.

I think she went mort during Petticoat Junction, and was replaced by some relative, an interloper. I dunno.

Was it Mrs Robinson from Lost In Space?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 28, 2021 10:14 AM (J/v97)

202
Difficult times lay ahead and orthodontists will be scarce. Brace yourself!

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 10:01 AM (m45I2)


Sorry, I'm just not wired that way.

Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at November 28, 2021 10:14 AM (dQvv7)

203 #199 Off, shit-for-brains sock. I guess I'd better get that second cup of coffee now.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 28, 2021 10:14 AM (UHVv4)

204 Granny was not a Clampett.

Daisy Moses -- Jed's mother-in-law.

To tie this back to books, I have a book on the making of the show.

BH ran too long. They tried to tie it in with the Sixties mindset, and it lost its humor.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 28, 2021 10:14 AM (Om/di)

205 Another TV crossover that not many people know: Friends, Mad About You, and Seinfeld were all part of the same universe. Phoebe's annoying sister Ursula was in both F and MAY, of course. But we were shown that Paul, the husband in MAY, had once been the roommate of . . . Kramer!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 10:09 AM (c6xtn)
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Simon and Simon did a crossover episode with Magnum p.i. It was a network thing.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 10:15 AM (llXky)

206 You have to admit, though, that now it's very noticeable when someone doesn't have nice white teeth, especially on tv or movies. Quite the change

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 10:15 AM (AwPyG)

207 It would change his whole point, in the Bible.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 10:08 AM (AwPyG)


I have bad news about the Koran.

But "Nefer-Ra" (the story in Sister Muses) isn't alternate history; it's just the Bible story told from the POV of Potiphar's wife. She gets a nasty shock when she finds out who the new governor of Egypt is!

Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at November 28, 2021 10:15 AM (A65/D)

208 Difficult times lay ahead and orthodontists will be scarce. Brace yourself!
Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 10:01 AM (m45I2)

Sorry, I'm just not wired that way.
Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus

We'll have to band together.

Posted by: f'd at November 28, 2021 10:15 AM (Tnijr)

209 Jethro's and Jethrine's mum was the mum on Petticoat Junction.

I think she went mort during Petticoat Junction, and was replaced by some relative, an interloper. I dunno.

Was it Mrs Robinson from Lost In Space?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 28, 2021


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Darned if I remember. But anything with June Lockhart in it would be worth looking at, if only for her.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 10:15 AM (c6xtn)

210
Moby's Ass

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at November 28, 2021 10:16 AM (kYZAI)

211 Greetings:

Another AmerIndian recommendation as their "month" draws to its close.

"Lakota America: A New History of Indigenous Power" by Pekka Hamalainen is currently being processed. In spite of its somewhat too Progressively scary subtitle and the author's Finnish name, I would rank it up there with Fehrenbach's "Comanches".

The author puts a great deal of work into the inter-tribal and intra-tribal goings on not just in terms of martial conflicts but also as regards "foreign" policy and diplomatic relations. Not a whole lot of difference between what the tribes were doing and what the Euros and such wanted to do. The struggle of of the tribes to incorporate horse and iron technologies and feed themselves well get plenty of mentions. Without stating it explicitly, the indigenous "sacred lands" concept gets more than a bit undermined.

I would give it a 4.5+ out of five and I am looking forward to reading the author's "The Comanche Empire" I there-Christmas future. "Empire" is a theme the author enjoys.

Posted by: 11B40 at November 28, 2021 10:16 AM (uuklp)

212 @205

And there was a season or two when Friends had a bunch of major stars do a guest role. Alec Baldwin as a crazed boyfriend--typecast.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 10:16 AM (AwPyG)

213 I think the lady on Petticoat Junction was also the voice of Betty Ruble

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at November 28, 2021 10:16 AM (IIAOb)

214 Difficult times lay ahead and orthodontists will be scarce. Brace yourself!

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 10:01 AM (m45I2)

Sorry, I'm just not wired that way.
Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at November 28, 2021


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And I have too much on my plate.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 10:16 AM (c6xtn)

215 I too have given up on actual books and gone to ebooks. I know about all the "features/bugs" but it is just so much easier and convenient. It is much easier to dust my iPad than shelves of books. I looked at some old paperbacks and hardcover and I can't read the font because it's so small. Plus I read in bed and having to have book light and space on my night stand for stacks of books doesn't work anymore.

Posted by: lin-duh at November 28, 2021 10:17 AM (UUBmN)

216
Yeah, I forgot about that -- she voiced Betty.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 28, 2021 10:17 AM (J/v97)

217 BH ran too long. They tried to tie it in with the Sixties mindset, and it lost its humor.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 28, 2021 10:14 AM (Om/di)

Too much crawdad smoking with those hippies....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 28, 2021 10:18 AM (7bRMQ)

218 BH ran too long. They tried to tie it in with the Sixties mindset, and it lost its humor.'


Pretty much over when they went to color. One of my favorites is when Granny spots a kangaroo hanging around and thinks it's a jackrabbit.

Posted by: f'd at November 28, 2021 10:18 AM (Tnijr)

219 One striking thing about both Green Acres and Beverly Hillbillies was that they had internal continuity. Episodes ran in order and had lots of call-backs. I don't remember Junction well enough to know if it had the same feature.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 28, 2021 10:18 AM (QZxDR)

220 @198 --

Exactly!

Thanks for the improved explanation. Now these young'uns will know what we're talking about.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 28, 2021 10:18 AM (Om/di)

221 Amazing that the perfessor has read 100 books, and my hat's off to her.

I mentioned before that Librarything.com has a group of readers who read 100 books a year, and post their progress month by month.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 10:18 AM (AwPyG)

222 >>> I remember that my orthodontist would gather together all the ends of the newly strung wires and twist them together just outside my mouth, much like a electrician does at junction boxes with newly run wires in new home construction, before cutting them back.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 28, 2021 10:13 AM (pNxlR)


In manufacturing, you often have to use safety wire to secure fasteners in high vibration areas where pullout failure could be catastrophic. So they use fasteners with tiny holes and then thread steel wire through and twist them up with safety wire pliers. I wonder if dentists use something similar. They work really well and experienced line workers are very fast with them.

I tried to find a picture but here's a video queued up to where he's showing it:

https://youtu.be/oXS8uv1QZQo?t=24

Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 10:20 AM (Psn3N)

223 I think those shows were a lot like the Newhart set-up, where the logical person is surrounded by crazy people, so that he's the one who's the fish out of water.

Oliver in Green Acres, that pilot guy in petticoat junction.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 10:20 AM (AwPyG)

224 Magic works and is an essential part of the economy, like electricity for us -- but people still have to earn a living, and even their use of magic is subject to economic forces.
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I liked the Harry Dresden TV series [hadn't read the books] so it fits into that idea too. And I watched and liked the first few seasons of Lost Girl that used historical-norm creatures and monsters in a realistic contemporary setting.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 28, 2021 10:21 AM (UHVv4)

225 183 I'm a little nervous about an alternate history book where Joseph actually gets seduced by Potiphar's wife.

It would change his whole point, in the Bible.
Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 10:08 AM (AwPyG)


My bad. I should've said "attempted seduction."

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 28, 2021 10:21 AM (R+nnz)

226 Some obsessive nerds on the Internet worked out all the TV shows that are interconnected due to character guest star appearances. The key link among lots of them is Richard Belzer playing Detective Munch. Apparently Belzer will do a guest appearance if you promise him a sandwich.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 28, 2021 10:21 AM (QZxDR)

227 All this orthodontia talk is triggering bad memories.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at November 28, 2021 10:21 AM (Dc2NZ)

228
Speaking of indigenous people bullshit...

meet Morning Star Bear.

A fake injun in Canada was just fired from her position, "indigenous health expert," for lying about her injun heritage.

Yeah, she's 100% Russian. Check Russian.

https://youtu.be/621kywmYJWo

Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 28, 2021 10:22 AM (J/v97)

229 223 I think those shows were a lot like the Newhart set-up, where the logical person is surrounded by crazy people, so that he's the one who's the fish out of water.

...

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 10:20 AM (AwPyG)


What are you implying?

Posted by: Fred Ziffle at November 28, 2021 10:23 AM (PiwSw)

230 One striking thing about both Green Acres and Beverly Hillbillies was that they had internal continuity. Episodes ran in order and had lots of call-backs. I don't remember Junction well enough to know if it had the same feature.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 28, 2021


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The actor who played Sam, the general store guy, on PJ was also in GA. Hooterville, that was it. Like Leo G. Carroll as Mr. Waverly, the actor was one of the first to play the same character in at least 2 different series.

We can tie this back to books by noting series of novels which did or did not have continuity. For instance, in Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe series, Wolfe encounters a young black man working at a resort in the 1930s. The same character turns up, now an adult professor at a university, in the early '60s. Nicely done. On the other hand, Wolfe, Archie, and all the other characters never age over the 40 years of the series, even though external events are much the same as in our world.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 10:23 AM (c6xtn)

231 I think those shows were a lot like the Newhart set-up, where the logical person is surrounded by crazy people, so that he's the one who's the fish out of water.

Oliver in Green Acres, that pilot guy in petticoat junction.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 10:20 AM (AwPyG)
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Sitcoms also don't need much in the way of tension or drama, so having continuity isn't all the difficult because you're basically just watching the characters cope with various problems.

As the actors age, you can have them get into new situations, which can be fun.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 10:23 AM (llXky)

232 193 ... "That's why I do most of my reading from my tablet. I have the Kindle, Nook, and Google Book apps installed and I can make the fonts as large as I want."

I'm fortunate that I can normally do fine with real books, which I use more and more. But I keep a good magnifying glass handy, sometimes for maps and illustrations, sometimes because it helps. The intro section in the Dorothy Sayers Divine Comedy volumes is damn small print although the poetry is normal size. For the sake of saving an extra page or using three drops less ink it is an insult to the author and reader. It's also seriously annoying.

Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2021 10:23 AM (7EjX1)

233 Good Morning book lovers.
This is one thread where you have to read all the comments. Luckily, it is doable on a Sunday morning.

Love how light and beautiful that bookstore is.
I do not understand about those pants. Do people actually go to fashion shows to look at those abominations? If so, Why?

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 28, 2021 10:25 AM (Y+l9t)

234 I liked BH best when they understood a few things, such as how to use a telephone and what the doorbell was.

One of my favorite scenes was when Elly Mae baked a loaf of bread. Jed confronts it, and it bounces off the table. He cuts off a slice and uses it to plug a hole in his boot.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 28, 2021 10:25 AM (Om/di)

235 228
Speaking of indigenous people bullshit...

meet Morning Star Bear.


Posted by: Soothsayer -- at November 28, 2021 10:22 AM (J/v97)
Kid1 has a former friend, MOT, who masquerades as some sort of American Indian to try to get acting parts. Pathetic.

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 10:25 AM (ONvIw)

236 I liked BH best when they understood a few things, such as how to use a telephone and what the doorbell was.

One of my favorite scenes was when Elly Mae baked a loaf of bread. Jed confronts it, and it bounces off the table. He cuts off a slice and uses it to plug a hole in his boot.
Posted by: Weak Geek at November 28, 2021


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BH was often very funny, and still is. GA was just plain surreal.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 10:26 AM (c6xtn)

237 Reading "Pacific Thunder" about the Central Pacific campaign. So far an interesting and informative read.

Apparently Operation Torch occurred the weekend following the '42 elections and FDR's Newer Deal got scuttled as the Democrats took a drubbing. So the President's plan for universal healthcare was dead in the water.

But me being keen eyed spotted stuff that should not have escaped correction. After the sinking of the Hornet only two of the Navy's seven carriers were left. So says the back blurb. Uh dudes there were three carriers left - Saratoga, Ranger, and Enterprise.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 28, 2021 10:27 AM (yPi1X)

238 The story goes -- I think it was said by Pat Buttram, "Mr. Haney" of GA -- that "If a show had a tree in it, it got canceled, even Lassie."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 10:12 AM (c6xtn)


So every show with a tree in it got the axe?

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 28, 2021 10:27 AM (R+nnz)

239 The funny thing I recall about Beverly Hillbillies is whenever Granny would break in to song
"I got the joy, joy, joy, joy, down in my heart".

Cracks me up. I know not why.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 28, 2021 10:27 AM (jTmQV)

240 Simon and Simon did a crossover episode with Magnum P.I. It was a network thing.
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So did Friends sort of!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 28, 2021 10:27 AM (UHVv4)

241 I do not understand about those pants. Do people actually go to fashion shows to look at those abominations? If so, Why?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice)

Well, they don't go to weedwhacker demos, (if you catch my drift)

Posted by: JT at November 28, 2021 10:27 AM (arJlL)

242 Greetings:

Les Francais pronounce it "bijoux" (jewel), n'est ce pas ???

Posted by: 11B40 at November 28, 2021 10:27 AM (uuklp)

243 My wife is currently doing the braces thing and she's always griping about that. I don't remember having nearly as many issues as her. Day after tightening...sucked
Posted by: A dude in MI at November 28, 2021 10:10 AM (/6GbT)


Supposedly it's worse when you're an adult, because your teeth are anchored in there more firmly. Yeah, I got braces at 35.

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 28, 2021 10:28 AM (qxz9B)

244 Man, I really don't remember much about Green Acres and Petticoat Junction. I saw it in syndication in the 80s.

I liked Hogan's Heroes better, got a kick out of seeing Richard Dawson in a dramatic role rather than hosting Family Feud.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 10:28 AM (llXky)

245 The funny thing I recall about Beverly Hillbillies is whenever Granny would break in to song
"I got the joy, joy, joy, joy, down in my heart".

Cracks me up. I know not why.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 28, 2021


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"One of the Four Freedoms -- the freedom to make soap!"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 10:28 AM (c6xtn)

246 Oh! Well, that's different, about Potiphar's wife. I love alternative viewpoint books. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, Grendel.

So clever!

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 10:28 AM (AwPyG)

247 227 All this orthodontia talk is triggering bad memories.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at November 28, 2021 10:21 AM (Dc2NZ)

Stop being bracist.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 28, 2021 10:28 AM (vuisn)

248 > ON the other hand, Jed found his oil while "shootin' at some food," so TX makes sense.

Then there was the back-when-SNL-was-funny parody... the Bel-Arabs.

"And then one day when he was shootin' at some Jews..."

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2021 10:28 AM (bW8dp)

249 We still refer to a swimming pool as the SEE-ment pond.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 10:29 AM (AwPyG)

250 The story goes -- I think it was said by Pat Buttram, "Mr. Haney" of GA -- that "If a show had a tree in it, it got canceled, even Lassie."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 10:12 AM (c6xtn)

So every show with a tree in it got the axe?
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 28, 2021


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Chopped 'em right out of the schedule!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 10:29 AM (c6xtn)

251 One striking thing about both Green Acres and Beverly Hillbillies was that they had internal continuity. Episodes ran in order and had lots of call-backs. I don't remember Junction well enough to know if it had the same feature.

A lot of 1960s shows were simply episodic, with no real carry-over from one episode to another. I believe it was so that when the show was sold to various stations as a package, it wouldn't matter in which order things were run.

Hogan's Heroes is like that. The pilot says the year is 1942 and there is one episode that is specifically set during D-Day, but beyond that, Stalag 13 exists outside of any regular Third Reich time frame.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2021 10:29 AM (2JVJo)

252 Anna, did the Hornet sink? Or was that the Wasp?
The Hornet is over in Alameda.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 28, 2021 10:29 AM (jTmQV)

253 Thank you for the content. Now to read the comments.
Read Barry Eislers new book The Chaos Kind. It was good. I felt it was a bit weak. But maybe that was because I had just finished Tom Clancys Executive Powers. Which I liked. Still. I would suggest people check out Barry Eisner if you are a Vince Flynn fan.
Now reading a new author Scott McEwen, Sniper Elite, one way trip. Seems a very good book so far. Stop reading if you do not want to hear the first 10 pages, which is mentioned in all the blurbs for the book anyway.
A woman helicopter pilot is captured by a taliban type offshoot in Afghanishxthole. Video of her being raped by her captors is sent requesting a 25 million dollar ransom. The military brass want to pay the ransom. But that would put a bounty on every service member. So lower level special forces guys decide they want to try and rescue her.

Posted by: MikeM at November 28, 2021 10:29 AM (mgCYE)

254 @236 --

Ha, somebody else saw those Nick at Nite ads.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 28, 2021 10:29 AM (Om/di)

255 Am I only one here who don't actually like Dune? After reading first one, I don't want to read next books or reread first one.

Posted by: redmonkey at November 28, 2021 10:29 AM (RjfJc)

256 > One of the Four Freedoms -- the freedom to make soap!"

And rheumatiz medicine.

More joy in the rheumatiz medicine, as a general rule.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2021 10:30 AM (bW8dp)

257 > Am I only one here who don't actually like Dune? After reading first one, I don't want to read next books or reread first one.

I liked the first one, and WISH I hadn't read any of the others.

If you didn't like the first one, definitely don't read the others. They suck.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2021 10:30 AM (bW8dp)

258 @240

Yeah, big mistake, because nobody could understand why she chose Chandler over Magnum PI

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 10:31 AM (AwPyG)

259 Am I only one here who don't actually like Dune? After reading first one, I don't want to read next books or reread first one.
Posted by: redmonkey

Ditto !

Posted by: JT at November 28, 2021 10:31 AM (arJlL)

260 Cv-8 Hornet was sunk by Japanese destroyer torpedoes at Battle of Santa Cruz. CV-12 Hornet is the museum ship.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 28, 2021 10:31 AM (yPi1X)

261 My anal star is a bijou.

Posted by: David French at November 28, 2021 10:31 AM (6n0LA)

262 I have not seen the latest Dune adaptation, but I have hear many good things about it, so I will most likely give it a try at some point. I understand it's set itself up for a sequel, though, as it ends somewhere in the mid-point of the book.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 28, 2021 09:04 AM (K5n5d)

I shan't go to see it. Mostly because I have all but completely ceased to go to movies at all, or to view them on TV. But I remember reading Dune, and found it kind of tedious, so there is no desire on my part to it brought to the screen. I never saw any of the other adaptations, either.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 28, 2021 10:33 AM (P3gRi)

263 If I'd have known about that book store, I might have visited when I was in Bucharest. I generally did the tourist stuff (but no vampires, just not me) and went to a performance at the Atheneum, which was wonderful and I liked seeing the local crowd (the majority of tourists did the free outdoor concert that evening).

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 10:33 AM (ONvIw)

264 This week I read A Hymn Before Battle by John Ringo. Considering coughing up the dough for the rest of the series. For now I'm going back to Andre Norton, starting Star Soldiers.

Posted by: DIY Daddio at November 28, 2021 10:33 AM (RJscS)

265 Then there was the back-when-SNL-was-funny parody... the Bel-Arabs.

"And then one day when he was shootin' at some Jews..."

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2021 10:28 AM (bW8dp)
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Yes! When I was in high school I participated in the Model United Nations and the year we drew Kuwait we did our own version of the song:

Let me tell you 'bout a man name Ahmed, poor A-Rab barely kept the family fed, then one day when he was shooting at some Jews, up through the ground come a bubbling crude.

Oil, that is, petrodollars, instant credit with the IMF.

Next thing you Ahmed's a millionaire, kin-folk say "Ahmed move away from there! What you need is a stable state!" So he packed up the family and moved to Kuwait.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 10:34 AM (llXky)

266 > In manufacturing, you often have to use safety wire to secure fasteners in high vibration areas where pullout failure could be catastrophic.

Not to be confused with the high vibration areas in interpersonal relationships where failure to pull out could be catastrophic.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2021 10:34 AM (bW8dp)

267 Green Acres did a lot of funny fourth-wall breaking. I remember one ep where part of the opening credits were superimposed over a shot of pancakes cooking. Mrs. Douglas then informs her husband she's making "name cakes."

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 28, 2021 10:34 AM (QZxDR)

268 The funny thing I recall about Beverly Hillbillies is whenever Granny would break in to song
"I got the joy, joy, joy, joy, down in my heart".
Cracks me up. I know not why.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 28, 2021 10:27 AM (jTmQV)

Yup...that usually meant she was off to kick someone's ass.

Usually Mr. or Mrs. Drysdale for some sideways insult.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 28, 2021 10:34 AM (R/m4+)

269 257 > Am I only one here who don't actually like Dune? After reading first one, I don't want to read next books or reread first one.
I liked the first one, and WISH I hadn't read any of the others.

If you didn't like the first one, definitely don't read the others. They suck.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2021 10:30 AM (bW8dp)

That's Kralizec talk, man!

Posted by: Leto "God Emperor" Atreides at November 28, 2021 10:34 AM (6n0LA)

270 Well, the morning is going on and I need to shop for a new winter coat, so I think I shall sign off for the day.

Hope you all have a lovely weekend.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2021 10:36 AM (2JVJo)

271 but beyond that, Stalag 13 exists outside of any regular Third Reich time frame.
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I remember one where they were aiding Hitler assassination plotters though they didn't specifically say which ones to tie into an actual date.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 28, 2021 10:36 AM (UHVv4)

272 OK. Many Hornets and Wasps in USN history.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 28, 2021 10:36 AM (jTmQV)

273 I remember the GA where Lisa was talking about the "perundel" on the car.

Oliver finally figured out that she meant the automatic transmission shifter. PRNDL.

To be fair, that was probably a reasonable word in her language.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2021 10:37 AM (bW8dp)

274 Hogan's Heroes is like that. The pilot says the year is 1942 and there is one episode that is specifically set during D-Day, but beyond that, Stalag 13 exists outside of any regular Third Reich time frame.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2021 10:29 AM (2JVJo)
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The original Star Trek used "stardates" so that the shows could be aired out of sequence.

There's an amusing part in Roddenberry's book on the making of the show where they have to figure out exactly how many Federation ships they've destroyed and what they are called so they don't inadvertently recycle a name.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 10:37 AM (llXky)

275 Damn! The 'example' for the increase your word power section makes me want to get out my copy of Bored of the Rings. When I saw today's word, I immediately thought of that line.

Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2021 10:37 AM (7EjX1)

276 Speaking of Hogan's Heroes I listened to a podcast on the murder of Bob Crane. It's never been solved.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, the Phillips screwdriver of the gods at November 28, 2021 10:37 AM (cSyAR)

277 I read the initial Dune novel during my first real SF reading period, when I was about 20. Mainly I recall the big action pieces, the first view of the giant sandworms (nicely done, I think, on the SyFy version with William Hurt), the sequence where Paul and his mother are abandoned in the desert and they need to avoid the worms, etc. I preferred Heinlein and Larry Niven, but I thought it was an ambitious work. I'm not sure I ever read any of the sequels.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 10:38 AM (c6xtn)

278 There is a criticism of the new movie adaption of Dune's use of ligth, and Dune's use of music by Thomas Flight - it uses a lot of clips from the movie

Use of light: https://youtu.be/uIKupTibxKQ
Use of score: https://youtu.be/P50VrsM_xlU

Posted by: Kindltot at November 28, 2021 10:38 AM (P9T5R)

279 Speaking of Hogan's Heroes I listened to a podcast on the murder of Bob Crane. It's never been solved.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, the Phillips screwdriver of the gods

Where was OJ ?

Posted by: JT at November 28, 2021 10:39 AM (arJlL)

280 Speaking of movies and TV, everyone at Thanksgiving was discussing their favorite steaming shows, and it's a whole new world--very few were watching the same ones, and it seems like there are a million.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 10:39 AM (AwPyG)

281 Nice book store, but I didn't see the mask required signs!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Comrades, if only Comrade Fauci knew! ~ at November 28, 2021 09:05 AM (hOUT3)[\i]

Romania closed their vaccination sites because no one was using them

Posted by: Kindltot at November 28, 2021 10:40 AM (P9T5R)

282 I meant streaming, although I imagine some are steaming, too

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 10:40 AM (AwPyG)

283 I like Dune, but it was never the mind-blowing far-out influence on me that apparently it was for a generation of stoner SF fans. Dune, Stranger in a Strange Land, and Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? are kind of the Holy Trinity of hippie stoner SF novels. I was half a generation too young for that. I cut my teeth on Niven instead.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 28, 2021 10:41 AM (QZxDR)

284 Bob Crane was funny, but he was one kinky mofo.

Had hidden cameras set up to record all of his sexual encounters (of which there were many). This was back in the day when having your own video set up was still somewhat expensive. Video cameras didn't come in $29 Android phones back then.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2021 10:41 AM (bW8dp)

285 but beyond that, Stalag 13 exists outside of any regular Third Reich time frame.
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I remember one where they were aiding Hitler assassination plotters though they didn't specifically say which ones to tie into an actual date.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 28, 2021


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That's what most people forget about HH: Hogan and his men were intelligence agents, fifth columnists behind German lines. It wasn't McHale's Navy, where the leads' major interest was brewing up jungle juice and avoiding being caught by Capt. Binghamton.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 10:41 AM (c6xtn)

286 @281

Yeah, Eastern Europeans, like American blacks, have had bad experiences, and so don't like people telling them what to do.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 10:41 AM (AwPyG)

287 I remember this one time at Tim Benzadrine's house...

Posted by: Frito Bugger at November 28, 2021 10:41 AM (6n0LA)

288 Steaming shows?? Of Sous-Vide and Men was the closest I got to that genre.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 28, 2021 10:42 AM (UHVv4)

289 I'm watching Yellowstone and it's pretty steamy.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 28, 2021 10:43 AM (Y+l9t)

290 > I remember this one time at Tim Benzadrine's house...
Posted by: Frito Bugger at November 28, 2021 10:41 AM (6n0LA)

And you're still wondering why you and Spam Gangree woke up with sore buttholes, no doubt.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2021 10:43 AM (bW8dp)

291 barry eisler, is like a real life version of steven segals character in above the law, he worked the japan branch of the cia, he has an abiding hatred of the deep state, but a soft spot for actual terrorists, you note that in his end notes that are his sources, he probably thinks january 6th is the worst thing evarr,!

Posted by: no 6 at November 28, 2021 10:43 AM (hMlTh)

292 GA- Lisa's hotscakes cut-outs used as a head gasket.

Posted by: klaftern at November 28, 2021 10:43 AM (taPSh)

293 I remember one where they were aiding Hitler assassination plotters though they didn't specifically say which ones to tie into an actual date.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 28, 2021 10:36 AM (UHVv4)
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Which reminds me of a book: Plotting Hitler's Death by Joachim Fest. All about the many times Hitler evaded assassination.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 10:44 AM (llXky)

294 @279

I think Crane's death hasn't been solved the same way Epstein's death hasn't been solved.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 10:44 AM (AwPyG)

295 277 I read the initial Dune novel during my first real SF reading period, when I was about 20...I'm not sure I ever read any of the sequels.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 10:38 AM (c6xtn)


Herbert said all he had to say (or all that's worth listening to) in the first book. You don't need to read any of the sequels. They are all worthless and weak.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 28, 2021 10:45 AM (R+nnz)

296 Lewis and Clark sent President Jefferson a prairiedog, as was the fashion in those days. I am currently reading Once And Future King by T.H. White, for probably the third time over the past 40 years. Lotta laughs mixed in with some real historical stuff. Sorta like Sarum by Edward Rutherford.

Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2021 10:45 AM (0OP+5)

297 > I think Crane's death hasn't been solved the same way Epstein's death hasn't been solved.

It would be interesting to know just which tapes from his extensive home video collection went missing at the time of his death.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2021 10:45 AM (bW8dp)

298 "Land of the Firebird" sounds interesting. I have long wondered at the passionate love the average Russian has for a land that, objectively speaking, seems pretty sucky.
Horrible winters, terrible political systems (always), dull cuisine unless you like beets and cabbage, featureless steppes. (On the upside, Russian dancing always looked pretty awesome and certainly must do wonders for your thigh and calf muscles.) Always a tough place to live and yet the Russkies are fiercely patriotic.

Compare with leftist San Franciscans, placed in one of the most beautiful places on earth, who despise their own country.

Posted by: donna&&&&&v at November 28, 2021 10:46 AM (HabA/)

299 28 Gen. 39:6 Joseph was a handsome man.
Posted by: San Franpsycho

Him and his coat of many colors? Well, women go crazy for a sharp dressed man.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 28, 2021 10:46 AM (FVME7)

300 Okay, de-resgistering and re-resgistering the nook succeeded in letting me see the ebooks I had bought. I guess now I can go ahead with my Lord of the Rings re-read.

Posted by: Castle Guy at November 28, 2021 10:46 AM (Lhaco)

301 I was amused to read that Ernest Borgnine just used his own old Navy duds for McHale's Navy. Since he was a petty officer his cover isn't quite right for a Lieutenant-Commander (and what the heck is a LtC doing commanding a PT boat anyway?), but presumably he liked it better.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 28, 2021 10:46 AM (QZxDR)

302 I think Crane's death hasn't been solved the same way Epstein's death hasn't been solved.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 10:44 AM (AwPyG)


I thought it had been solved, years later. I could be wrong, though.

Bludgeoned to death in a cheap motel room filled with hard core pr0n. What a way to go. Crane was a sad, broken man.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 28, 2021 10:47 AM (R+nnz)

303 That's what most people forget about HH: Hogan and his men were intelligence agents, fifth columnists behind German lines. It wasn't McHale's Navy, where the leads' major interest was brewing up jungle juice and avoiding being caught by Capt. Binghamton.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 10:41 AM (c6xtn)
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Yes, and they ensured that no one ever "escaped" from Stalag 13 because it would result in stricter security that would cripple their operations.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 10:47 AM (llXky)

304 I slogged through the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, audio book. Wm. Shirer.
50+ hours.
It took me about 9 days.
A lot of details, I learned a few things I didn't know before.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 28, 2021 10:47 AM (jTmQV)

305 They are all worthless and weak.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 28, 2021 10:45 AM (R+nnz)

Now drop and give me 20!

Posted by: Dee Snyder at November 28, 2021 10:48 AM (/6GbT)

306 95 Just finished a poorly-written book, one of these "part one of the series" things, the premise is worldwide rioting mostly about covid lockdowns sparked civil wars across the globe.

Cities in ruin from violence, Florida hit with worst hurricane ever wrecking grids, government unable to do anything, no media, no power, food all gone, starvation beginning, but the hero, of course a sealteamsix type, knows how to survive.

Are there any really well-written postapocalyptic novels out there? Most all are just awful.

I've read: A Canticle for Lebovitz, The Road, Ridley Walker, and all the lesser ones. But none of the newer ones are worthwhile.

Suggestions?

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Try "Station 11" by Emily Mandel. HBO series are coming in December

Posted by: redmonkey at November 28, 2021 10:48 AM (RjfJc)

307 GA -- burning Lisa's pancakes to fight off a killer-frost in the fields.

Probably GA and not PJ but I can't recall for sure but using a pickup-truck rear-ending into apple trees as an "apple-picking machine" due to a labour shortage or the like.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 28, 2021 10:48 AM (UHVv4)

308 Him and his coat of many colors? Well, women go crazy for a sharp dressed man.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 28, 2021 10:46 AM (FVME7)


Don't I know it.

Posted by: Potiphar's slutty wife at November 28, 2021 10:49 AM (R+nnz)

309 283 I like Dune, but it was never the mind-blowing far-out influence on me that apparently it was for a generation of stoner SF fans. Dune, Stranger in a Strange Land, and Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? are kind of the Holy Trinity of hippie stoner SF novels. I was half a generation too young for that. I cut my teeth on Niven instead.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 28, 2021 10:41 AM
Sir, I am not a hipper stoner and never have been even though I looked like one 1970/1979, and I enjoyed the 3 books you mentioned.

Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2021 10:49 AM (0OP+5)

310 So, busy all week, but managed to read parts of Godwin's Political Justice tome. Nothing new, as Marx out commied him, and Godwin walked it back, but it must have seemed spectacular at the time. The political stuff is why Godwin had so many literary lions (Shelley, Byron, Coleridge, etc) literally at his feet.
Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 09:10 AM (ONvIw)


Part of Malthus' On Population was a criticism of Godwin's Political Justice, but not just a rejection out of hand, but based on reinterpretation of Godwin's points and drawing different conclusion

(everyone reads just the first part about limitations - and they only read Paul Ehrlich's interpretation)

Posted by: Kindltot at November 28, 2021 10:50 AM (P9T5R)

311 I thought Bijou was one of the more personable characters in Anais Nin's collection of short stories, Delta of Venus

Posted by: Kindltot at November 28, 2021 10:50 AM (P9T5R)

312 283 I like Dune, but it was never the mind-blowing far-out influence on me that apparently it was for a generation of stoner SF fans. Dune, Stranger in a Strange Land, and Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? are kind of the Holy Trinity of hippie stoner SF novels. I was half a generation too young for that. I cut my teeth on Niven instead.
Posted by: Trimegistus at November 28, 2021 10:41 AM (QZxDR)

You fail to grok the fullness of the sandworms, man.

Posted by: Mike Smith at November 28, 2021 10:51 AM (6n0LA)

313 Yes, and they ensured that no one ever "escaped" from Stalag 13 because it would result in stricter security that would cripple their operations.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021


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The last thing they wanted was to have Klink replaced by a competent commandant, and Schultz too!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 10:51 AM (c6xtn)

314 It would be interesting to know just which tapes from his extensive home video collection went missing at the time of his death.
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Ones with the Kennedys!!!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 28, 2021 10:51 AM (UHVv4)

315 Bob Crane was funny, but he was one kinky mofo.
Had hidden cameras set up to record all of his sexual encounters (of which there were many).
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2021 10:41 AM (bW8dp)

He didn't hide it. He was out and proud of his sexual exploits and would invite women and friends to join in the fun. He was always looking for the next kink.

Carroll O'Connor was his next door neighbor and Bob would have him over to review his latest.

Picture that scene.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 28, 2021 10:52 AM (R/m4+)

316 The story of Potiphar's wife always struck me as a bit of genuine history, preserved through all the re-tellings until it could be written down. It's just such a realistic bit of personal drama.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 28, 2021 10:52 AM (QZxDR)

317 Stopped reading the WWII Burma memoir Chindit Affair by Brian Mooney. The first few chapters are written in the British Imperial Colonial mode - that insufferable style combining noble-gentry condescension toward everyone not British with clueless Good Humour. Remember when ace parodied Thomas Friedman as Landed Gentry? It's that plus a very awkward attempt at wordy high literature bordering at times on purple prose. Well, not quite purple. Maybe violet.

Posted by: 13times at November 28, 2021 10:52 AM (9rMWy)

318 310. Even Godwin rejected Godwin who called in "that damned book". He recognized his mistakes, which is more than I can say for most lefty political "philosophers".

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 10:52 AM (ONvIw)

319 I think Dune keeps getting film treatments because it's one of the few sci-fi/space opera brands that hasn't been totally destroyed.

I found the book interesting (if badly written), read the extra books on deployment to rest my brain. By the last one I was only skimming the text.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 10:53 AM (llXky)

320 Are there any really well-written postapocalyptic novels out there? Most all are just awful.

I've read: A Canticle for Lebovitz, The Road, Ridley Walker, and all the lesser ones. But none of the newer ones are worthwhile.

Suggestions?
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Try "Station 11" by Emily Mandel. HBO series are coming in December
Posted by: redmonkey at November 28, 2021


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Maybe Lucifer's Hammer by Niven & Pournelle counts as post-apocalyptic. A solid story anyway.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 10:53 AM (c6xtn)

321 - wow, what a beautiful bookstore !

- Foundation: not one penny to apple or their ilk, sorry, not sorry. otherwise, sounds interesting, loved the original 3 stories. who did they genderswap, if it's not too big a spoiler ?

- reading Albert Payson Terhune this past week; old-school stories of the courage, loyalty, and love of dogs. got to have some relief from the everyday hatred & betrayal everywhere in Modern Life.

hi-ho, off to Home Despot, for things & stuff.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (ahosz) at November 28, 2021 10:54 AM (ahosz)

322 I've read: A Canticle for Lebovitz, The Road, Ridley Walker, and all the lesser ones. But none of the newer ones are worthwhile.

Suggestions?


Earth Abides - George R. Stewart
Alas, Babylon - Pat Frank

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 28, 2021 10:55 AM (PiwSw)

323 yes beth is a little too desperate (the dutton daughter) and last weeks episode was too violent,

Posted by: no 6 at November 28, 2021 10:55 AM (hMlTh)

324 Herbert said all he had to say (or all that's worth listening to) in the first book. You don't need to read any of the sequels. They are all worthless and weak.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 28, 2021 10:45 AM (R+nnz)

You forgot bizarre and creepy.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 10:55 AM (csEWM)

325 >>> 294 @279

I think Crane's death hasn't been solved the same way Epstein's death hasn't been solved.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 10:44 AM (AwPyG)

Bob Crane had evidence that would have led to the arrest and conviction of Hilary Clinton??

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 28, 2021 10:55 AM (llON8)

326 It looks like Christina Hendricks was near me recently. I was reading up about the Crane murder on some entertainment site, entertainment weekly maybe, and I saw a blurb on some Savannah film festival that just happened. I guess she was in town with a bunch of other actors at SCAD.

They are really playing up their film degrees. It's an expensive-ass school and I guess that's what's bringing in the cash. SCAD is also buying up a good bit of the town real estate and getting massive tax breaks. So as time goes on less and less of the property in Savannah actually pays into the government coffers leading them to beg more and more from the paying suckers. People are getting pissed.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 10:55 AM (Psn3N)

327 Carroll O'Connor was his next door neighbor and Bob would have him over to review his latest.

Picture that scene.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 28, 2021 10:52 AM (R/m4+)

I always suspected that that self-righteous liberal bastard was just a bastard.

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 10:56 AM (ONvIw)

328 Herbert said all he had to say (or all that's worth listening to) in the first book. You don't need to read any of the sequels. They are all worthless and weak.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 28, 2021 10:45 AM (R+nnz)

I'm starting to remember...again.

Posted by: Duncan Idaho at November 28, 2021 10:56 AM (6n0LA)

329 Imagine being Joseph, and rotting in prison for over 10 years with no end in sight, until that day you are appointed prime minister of Egypt.

There's a play about it, called "Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Coat" that has a lighthearted take.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 10:56 AM (AwPyG)

330 You forgot bizarre and creepy.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021


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Hey, bizarre and creepy has its place.

Posted by: De Sade and Masoch at November 28, 2021 10:56 AM (c6xtn)

331 He didn't hide it. He was out and proud of his sexual exploits and would invite women and friends to join in the fun. He was always looking for the next kink.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 28, 2021 10:52 AM (R/m4+)
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The collapse of celebrity culture is in large part a result of finding out how mediocre most of these famous people really are. Some are deeply weird, but that only makes them seem pathetic.

In the "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" era, we could imagine them jetting off to exotic locations, taking in the culture, watching opera and hanging out with various geniuses.

Nope, it's mostly doing drugs and seducing children.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 10:57 AM (llXky)

332 No one knows anything about life, they all think they are smarter than the author whose works they are adapting, so everything comes out as the same action-centric garbage.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 09:20 AM (llXky)


Pantomime and Melodrama are all tropes, though it helps if there is a plot in there somewhere. Tropes are comforting because they reinforce how the culture sees the world

Part of the goal of street theater is to use the tropes to slide ideas in the minds of the audience while their guard is down, enjoying the mindlessness. It needs to be either subtle or sparse in presentation, because you can close an audience, and then the walk.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 28, 2021 10:58 AM (P9T5R)

333 @321

The Terhune series about Lad are good books to recommend to kids. It's dated, but the stories are good

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 10:59 AM (AwPyG)

334 though they didn't specifically say which ones to tie into an actual date.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 28, 2021 10:36 AM (UHVv4)

There are exceptions to the rule--"Operation Briefcase" is supposed to be the Heroes helping Claus von Stauffenberg, and "The Big Picture" takes place after that attempt failed--but yeah, there are several eps where the "plot against Hitler" is left vague. Same thing with the series as a whole... there are some eps that are explicitly set in 1943 or before D-Day and some that are explicitly set after, but most aren't dated and may have major continuity errors relative to each other (whether and how well Carter and Newkirk speak German, whether Carter knows anything at all about chemistry, etc.). Still a great show if you're willing to accept it on its own terms.

Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at November 28, 2021 10:59 AM (A65/D)

335 Simon and Simon did a crossover episode with Magnum P.I. It was a network thing.
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So did Friends sort of!
Posted by: andycanuck

Murder She Wrote had a Magnum crossover episode.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 28, 2021 11:00 AM (FVME7)

336 barry eisler, abiding hatred of the deep state, but a soft spot for actual terrorists, you note that in his end notes that are his sources, he probably thinks january 6th is the worst thing evarr,!
Posted by: no 6
Thank you. I did not know that about his views today. I started with his first book, which was about human trafficking, and started in Thailand, which was of special interest to me. And have read all of his books up until his latest. They are entertaining.
I was looking for small signs of wokeness/political leanings in The Chaos Kind. Honestly, if the Jan 6th views you mention are how he feels, I feel he mostly kept that out of the book. He mostly portrays the upper echelon of our government as pedophiles. While former Navy Seals etc. as heart of gold, super achievers.

Posted by: MikeM at November 28, 2021 11:00 AM (mgCYE)

337 @332

Excellent use of tropes from the shows we're discussing:

Sergeant Schultz
Miss Hathaway

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 11:00 AM (AwPyG)

338 Nope, it's mostly doing drugs and seducing children.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 10:57 AM (llXky)

Yep, hateful. I think a good use for their "socialism" would be to strip them of their money and cache and drive them back to the status of "disreputable".

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 11:00 AM (ONvIw)

339 everyone at Thanksgiving was discussing their favorite steaming shows, and it's a whole new world--very few were watching the same ones, and it seems like there are a million.
Posted by: artemis


*******

I think this is a very significant observation. A modern day tower of Babel. Will reality reassert itself as people share less and less in the realm of popular culture?

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 11:00 AM (m45I2)

340 When my family moved back to NY, we rented Massie's home in Irvington for a couple of months. It was a cool place for little kids...two staircases and an elevator!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2021 11:00 AM (Q9lwr)

341 Everything is fan-fic. If you deeply loved the property and just want to recreate exactly that, we say it is a good adaptation. If you did not really like the property and want to change it to something you do like, we say it is a bad adaptation.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 11:00 AM (csEWM)

342 322 I've read: A Canticle for Lebovitz, The Road, Ridley Walker, and all the lesser ones. But none of the newer ones are worthwhile.
Suggestions?

Earth Abides - George R. Stewart
Alas, Babylon - Pat Frank

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 28, 2021 10:55 AM
Anything by James Wesley, Rawles. You're welcome.

Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2021 11:00 AM (0OP+5)

343 The Terhune series about Lad are good books to recommend to kids. It's dated, but the stories are good
Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021


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I remember reading Lochinvar Luck as a boy, about a collie pup who goes feral for a while, then is rescued by a Scotsman, and they form a solid bond.

Posted by: Wolfus at November 28, 2021 11:01 AM (c6xtn)

344 323 yes beth is a little too desperate (the dutton daughter) and last weeks episode was too violent,
Posted by: no 6 at November 28, 2021 10:55 AM (hMlTh)

Beth is a shitty character and tedious but damn I would send a bunker buster with a nuclear payload to the actress IYKWIMAITTYD!

Posted by: Jimmy at November 28, 2021 11:01 AM (6n0LA)

345 >>> Are there any really well-written postapocalyptic novels out there? Most all are just awful.

I've read: A Canticle for Lebovitz, The Road, Ridley Walker, and all the lesser ones. But none of the newer ones are worthwhile.



Try the Wool trilogy from Hugh Howey. Make sure to read them in order. It's all a mystery that's revealed in stages. A pretty gripping thriller that pretty good throughout. It does get a bit hurried in the last book but I'd still highly suggest all three. They are short reads really. It's one of the most famous NaNoWriMo works.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 11:01 AM (Psn3N)

346 Am I only one here who don't actually like Dune? After reading first one, I don't want to read next books or reread first one.

Posted by: redmonkey at November 28, 2021 10:29 AM


No, you are not.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at November 28, 2021 11:01 AM (ezpv1)

347

Bijou: "J.J. and CBD bijous."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2021 11:02 AM (s2VJv)

348 No one knows anything about life, they all think they are smarter than the author whose works they are adapting, so everything comes out as the same action-centric garbage.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 09:20 AM (llXky)

Just lazy and unable to develop their own characters and locations. If they're smart at all, it's in the sense of grifters and manipulators.

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 11:02 AM (ONvIw)

349 Another thing concerning Burma. General Sims's memoir skims over the horrific beating the road-bound First Burma Corps(?) took while trying to retreat. That Burma retreat and carving-up mirrors the slaughter handed to the road bound Red Army on Raatte (Raitte?) road by Finnish ski squads during the Winter War.

Posted by: 13times at November 28, 2021 11:03 AM (9rMWy)

350 Everything is fan-fic. If you deeply loved the property and just want to recreate exactly that, we say it is a good adaptation. If you did not really like the property and want to change it to something you do like, we say it is a bad adaptation.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021


***
Writing fan fic is not work, it's joyful play. I can't tell you how much sheer fun I got from writing my Man From U.N.C.L.E. fan stories. They're real adventures, not all about relationships like so much fan fic, but they say something too.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 11:03 AM (c6xtn)

351 I love the bookstore in the top pic!
Some people can't handle spiral stairs like those.
I never had a problem with them, but I was once with a guy who refused to set foot on one. I think he had balance problems.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 28, 2021 11:03 AM (jTmQV)

352 I am not a hipper stoner and never have been even though I looked like one 1970/1979, and I enjoyed the 3 books you mentioned.

Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2021 10:49 AM (0OP+5)

Ditto...except for the looking like a stoner part.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2021 11:04 AM (Q9lwr)

353 Writing fan fic is not work, it's joyful play. I can't tell you how much sheer fun I got from writing my Man From U.N.C.L.E. fan stories. They're real adventures, not all about relationships like so much fan fic, but they say something too.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 11:03 AM (c6xtn)

You focused on the things you liked about the series using the characters you liked.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 11:04 AM (csEWM)

354 One Second After

Posted by: weirdflunky at November 28, 2021 11:06 AM (cknjq)

355 Writing fan fic is not work, it's joyful play. I can't tell you how much sheer fun I got from writing my Man From U.N.C.L.E. fan stories. They're real adventures, not all about relationships like so much fan fic, but they say something too.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021
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You focused on the things you liked about the series using the characters you liked.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021


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True -- but I also took the chance to correct some things that didn't work well in the TV series, and to show how the organization developed in the show might really work.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 11:06 AM (c6xtn)

356 > Try the Wool trilogy from Hugh Howey.

Howey is on record that he doesn't want any money from EVIL TRUMPUBLIKKKANS!!!

So... keep that in mind.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2021 11:06 AM (bW8dp)

357 >>> 345
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Try the Wool trilogy from Hugh Howey. Make sure to read them in order. It's all a mystery that's revealed in stages. A pretty gripping thriller that pretty good throughout. It does get a bit hurried in the last book but I'd still highly suggest all three. They are short reads really. It's one of the most famous NaNoWriMo works.
Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 11:01 AM (Psn3N)

I read a portion of the first book, maybe the first chapter via Prime? My impression was 'more nihilistic BS' (the preview ended with whatshisname crawling off to die) and I wasn't motivated to read any more.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 28, 2021 11:06 AM (llON8)

358 He didn't hide it. He was out and proud of his sexual exploits and would invite women and friends to join in the fun. He was always looking for the next kink.

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Porn movie idea: Colonel Hogan and Colonel Kink in Double Trouble In Bondage!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 28, 2021 11:07 AM (FVME7)

359 I'm listening to David Copperfield as narrated by some guy with an English accent.
It's good enough but 36 hours is too long for me.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker at November 28, 2021 11:07 AM (cSyAR)

360 347

Bijou: "J.J. and CBD bijous."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2021 11:02 AM
You guys are 'A' Jous, not 'B' Jous. But 'B' Jous are much better than 'D' Jous who usually vote democrat.

Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2021 11:07 AM (0OP+5)

361 Excellent use of tropes from the shows we're discussing:

Sergeant Schultz
Miss Hathaway

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 11:00 AM (AwPyG)
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I'd classify them as archetypes rather than tropes. "Bumbling NCO" and "Driven Businesswoman" are legit roles and in certain stories provide great shorthand so you don't have to waste time in describing something people instantly recognize.

I define tropes as actions, like the Big Guy Who Looks Scary but of course gets dropped by a little girl's kick.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 11:08 AM (llXky)

362 Writing fan fic is not work, it's joyful play. I can't tell you how much sheer fun I got from writing my Man From U.N.C.L.E. fan stories. They're real adventures, not all about relationships like so much fan fic, but they say something too.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 11:03 AM (c6xtn)


I think some people write fan fics as an act of vandalism. Like those ST:TOS fanfics featuring Kirk and Spock as rump rangers on the chocolate prairie.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 28, 2021 11:08 AM (R+nnz)

363 There was a near little movie house in Eugene, OR called the Bijou. My first college apartment was about 2 blocks away, so I used to walk down and catch a movie if I was bored. Apparently it permanently shuttered its doors earlier this year due to financial problems related to the Covid restrictions.
Posted by: PabloD at November 28, 2021 09:39 AM (Mw9bd)


Oh, yes, it was a chapel and a funeral parlor before it was a theater.
Saw a number of movies there

Posted by: Kindltot at November 28, 2021 11:08 AM (P9T5R)

364 @339

Another good indicator that it's impossible to predict the future.

Imagine trying to explain to the younger versions of ourselves, who planned our evenings around watching our favorite shows, that everyone would be able to have their own portable "TVs", and wander off to watch whatever they wanted, with a wide variety to choose from.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 11:09 AM (AwPyG)

365 I was in the middle of my Crossfit WOD yesterday and while transitioning from thrusters to handstand push-ups I came to the realization that I loved this blog. Thank You Ace, et al.

BTW, did I mention that I do crossfit?

Posted by: Jimmy at November 28, 2021 11:09 AM (6n0LA)

366 When you think about it, Oliver Wendell Douglas was a pioneer of telecommuting.

He was able to take care of bidness in New York while living his Hooterville dream.

And he did it without a laptop, a smart phone, or even the Internet. He did it by climbing a pole and using a dialup phone, as God intended.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2021 11:09 AM (bW8dp)

367 The problem with fanfic is that it seems as though fanfic writers are now in control of the major franchises. So it's all adolescent girl porn fantasies about Kirk blowing Spock and Gimli buggering Legolas.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 28, 2021 11:09 AM (QZxDR)

368 I define tropes as actions, like the Big Guy Who Looks Scary but of course gets dropped by a little girl's kick.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021


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I try not to read that TV Tropes website. For me it would be counter-productive, like the story of the centipede so focused on how his many legs work that he forgets how to run.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 11:10 AM (c6xtn)

369 354 One Second After

Posted by: weirdflunky at November 28, 2021 11:06 AM
That right there. That one is what I consider the most likely way our enemies would attempt to take us down.

Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2021 11:10 AM (0OP+5)

370 Wolfus, how did I not know you write? How about some links?

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 28, 2021 11:11 AM (Y+l9t)

371 One of my favorite scenes was when Elly Mae baked a loaf of bread. Jed confronts it, and it bounces off the table. He cuts off a slice and uses it to plug a hole in his boot.
Posted by: Weak Geek at November 28, 2021 10:25 AM (Om/di)

I think I know what inspired that. Check out the Spike Jones "soundie" of "Pass the Biscuits, Mirandy". A music video made before there was video. It is a hoot.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 28, 2021 11:11 AM (P3gRi)

372 Howey is on record that he doesn't want any money from EVIL TRUMPUBLIKKKANS!!!

So... keep that in mind.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2021 11:06 AM (bW8dp)


He actually said that? Cool. I have the Wool series, maybe I should start giving away copies.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 28, 2021 11:12 AM (R+nnz)

373 BTW, did I mention that I do crossfit?
Posted by: Jimmy
I think it was on this blog, that mentioned this joke.
How do you know when you have met a vegan? He will tell you in the first 5 minutes.

Now I tell that joke whenever I meet someone who has to tell me about their food allergies, exercise regimens, or sexual preferences. Even if the target does not get the idea, others in the room do.

Posted by: MikeM at November 28, 2021 11:12 AM (mgCYE)

374 I like the painting of pretty asian lady reading. Needs a kittuh.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 28, 2021 11:12 AM (sAmhv)

375 So . . . I'd never heard of George Nader and wanted to be sure that wasn't some deep Moron in-joke. Did a Google search for images of "actor George Nader" and got a page of pictures of the guy. Looked at them, said to myself, yeah, that's the who dis guy for today. Looked a little more and said to myself, That dude's gay. Checked Wikipedia, yep. Chuckled a bit at the phrase "discreetly gay" in the 'pedia entry. So discreet I could tell from old black and white publicity photos.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 28, 2021 11:12 AM (QZxDR)

376 Are there any really well-written postapocalyptic novels out there? Most all are just awful.

I've read: A Canticle for Lebovitz, The Road, Ridley Walker, and all the lesser ones. But none of the newer ones are worthwhile.

Suggestions?
Posted by: Mr Gaga at November 28, 2021 09:38 AM (KiBMU)

I remember liking "Z for Zachariah" when I read it in high school, but can't recall whether it was a "young adult" novel or not.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 28, 2021 11:13 AM (vuisn)

377 @368

Yes, speaking of steamy, fan fic tends to be steamy, which is an interesting phenomenon.

I've mentioned that the 50 shades series started as "twilight" fan fic.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 11:13 AM (AwPyG)

378 @bennyjohnson; 43m
BREAKING: @EnesKanter of the Boston Celtics is legally changing his name to "Enes Kanter Freedom" when becomes a U.S. citizen on Monday.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 28, 2021 11:13 AM (UHVv4)

379 True -- but I also took the chance to correct some things that didn't work well in the TV series, and to show how the organization developed in the show might really work.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 11:06 AM (c6xtn)
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The Man of Destiny Series started the same way, and as it progressed, the characters began to diverge away from their inspirations.

That's because once you dig in, you come to inhabit the character in your own way. They become new characters, albeit ones inspired by others.

This is why I particularly hate gender/race-swapping characters. Make up a new one! Show some creativity! Interesting that in none of these cases do the new creations really gain traction.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 11:13 AM (llXky)

380 So it's all adolescent girl porn fantasies about Kirk blowing Spock and Gimli buggering Legolas.
Posted by: Trimegistus at November 28, 2021


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There's plenty of slash fiction out there about Solo and Illya, too, but it tends to be a little classier. I still don't want to read it. I wrote stories that could have been on the show, e.g., Illya in the big chair overnight at Headquarters, an adventure in which the Innocent Person is Richard Kimble, and another in which the Innocents are Bud Baxter and Fran Kubelik (now married) from The Apartment.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 11:14 AM (c6xtn)

381 For years sing a mash up of Ballad of Jed Clampett and Daniel Boone. Often it's Daniel going to Hollywood

Posted by: Skip's Phone at November 28, 2021 11:14 AM (2JoB8)

382 I think some people write fan fics as an act of vandalism. Like those ST:TOS fanfics featuring Kirk and Spock as rump rangers on the chocolate prairie.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 28, 2021 11:08 AM (R+nnz)

Yep. Vandalism and rip offs.

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 11:14 AM (ONvIw)

383 > He actually said that?

Yeah, he did. He went on a whole bunch of nasty rants about Trump and Trump supporters around the time of the 2016 election.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2021 11:14 AM (bW8dp)

384 367 The problem with fanfic is that it seems as though fanfic writers are now in control of the major franchises. So it's all adolescent girl porn fantasies about Kirk blowing Spock and Gimli buggering Legolas.
Posted by: Trimegistus at November 28, 2021 11:09 AM (QZxDR)

This is kind of my point: the people doing the fanfic either do not understand and like the series and simply want to make what they want to make using the name of the series as a skin suit.

Take Wolfus example above. He loved the series and offered refinements on the theme that he thought would improve the property by making the organizational things mentioned make more sense. He is not looking to turn Ilya and Napoleon into gay lovers, but rather leaving alone the things he liked, but trying to improve what he didn't.

Cowboy Bebop, for example, is the other thing. I like the series, but I have not passed into devoted fan yet (still digesting.) But even a cursory glance at the remake shows that the writers did not understand at all the tone of the show, the themes or the characters (except maybe Jett.) They intentionally changed most of the characters to what THEY wanted them to be.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 11:15 AM (csEWM)

385 So discreet I could tell from old black and white publicity photos.
Posted by: Trimegistus at November 28, 2021 11:12 AM (QZxDR)

Yes. I think it's the coiffure.

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 11:15 AM (ONvIw)

386 Point of order: Miss Hathaway was the "prim spinster who secretly lusts"

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 11:16 AM (AwPyG)

387 Just read a lengthy review of Scott Atlas's book A Plague Upon Our House. Has anyone rad it? I don't usually read this kind of book, but the review makes it sound phenomenal exposing all the players that have made our lives miserable since Covid arrived on our shores.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 28, 2021 11:16 AM (Y+l9t)

388 >>> I read a portion of the first book, maybe the first chapter via Prime? My impression was 'more nihilistic BS' (the preview ended with whatshisname crawling off to die) and I wasn't motivated to read any more.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 28, 2021 11:06 AM (llON


I think that was the sheriff. That's just setting the tone for the world which was specifically designed to remove people's hope and emotion. All the protagonists though are struggling to survive and live and I hate nihilist writing too and it definitely confronts and fights nihilism. There are two main protagonists, and one is a lady that replaces the sheriff and starts to investigate what led up to the previous guy's punishment and other mysteries.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 11:17 AM (Psn3N)

389 Nihilism sucks donkey balls.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 11:18 AM (csEWM)

390 I'm reading Peter Stark's "Astoria: Astor and Jefferson's Lost Pacific Empire".

I'm reminded of the cartoon Achewood (www.achewood.com) where a tycoon is seen asking, "This California... do you sell it by the mile or the watershed?".

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 28, 2021 11:19 AM (ZSK0i)

391 I never saw the point in nihilism.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 28, 2021 11:19 AM (QZxDR)

392 I thought of writing a ghey fan-fiction version of The Man From Uncle, but I couldn't figure out where to insert Napoleon Solo.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 11:19 AM (m45I2)

393 Does anyone know how to get Apple TV on their TV? I'm not a total tech idiot; we have (newer) a Samsung "smart" TV, and we stream Nflix, Prime and Hulu.
Apple is inscrutable, though.
I have looked for tutorials, but it's all shit Apple marketing stuff.
Do I need a separate box?
Can I install aps that aren't on the pre-baked menu?
Thanks ahead...

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 28, 2021 11:19 AM (7Fj9P)

394 Wolfus, how did I not know you write? How about some links?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 28, 2021


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Sharon, here is one: https://tinyurl.com/56cey3sn A "Girl from U.N.C.L.E." story as it should have been done, more seriously, in which April learns a strong lesson about the life of an Enforcement Agent.

https://tinyurl.com/3p3mkfj9 This is the one with Richard Kimble as the Innocent.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 11:20 AM (c6xtn)

395 391 I never saw the point in nihilism.
Posted by: Trimegistus at November 28, 2021 11:19 AM (QZxDR)

Nihilistic about Nihilism. I guess that would be the natural progression.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 11:21 AM (csEWM)

396 Sharon, also:

https://tinyurl.com/3j9hsvn6 This is the one with Fran and Bud as the guest stars.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 11:21 AM (c6xtn)

397 'Doctor' Richard Kimble?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 11:21 AM (csEWM)

398 >>> Howey is on record that he doesn't want any money from EVIL TRUMPUBLIKKKANS!!!

So... keep that in mind.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2021 11:06 AM (bW8dp)

He actually said that? Cool. I have the Wool series, maybe I should start giving away copies.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 28, 2021 11:12 AM (R+nnz)


[ SPOILER BELOW ]
Oh yeah, Howey is a big-time leftist which is funny because in his first series, the only one I've read, the antagonist is the left, specifically the democrats. He said he just picked that randomly. Sure, pal sure. You know why it worked so well don't you?

Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 11:21 AM (Psn3N)

399 I've been very curious about the Dacian War although all I know about it is that its history is recorded in bas relief on Trajan's Column and, I assume, that Trajan's reputation as optimus princeps is based in large part on his conduct during that war. There is a scarcity of information about it so I snapped up the first of a historical fiction trilogy about it, Decebal Triumphant by Peter Jaksa. Jaksa is a Ph.D so hopefully his story is reasonably accurate. (Jaksa is best known for his work treating ADHD although for historical fiction purposes I'd have preferred OCD.) I've just started and so far, so good.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 28, 2021 11:22 AM (FVME7)

400 " Does anyone know how to get Apple TV on their TV?"

Used to be an external box that looked like a hockey puck that plugged in to an HDMI slot.
Maybe there is an app now?

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 28, 2021 11:22 AM (jTmQV)

401 I thought of writing a ghey fan-fiction version of The Man From Uncle, but I couldn't figure out where to insert Napoleon Solo.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021


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There's plenty of such stories out there, sad to say.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 11:22 AM (c6xtn)

402 My wife is currently doing the braces thing and she's always griping about that. I don't remember having nearly as many issues as her. Day after tightening...sucked
Posted by: A dude in MI at November 28, 2021 10:10 AM (/6GbT)

Ahhhhggggg...
My Dr. Szell put the whole shootin' match on in the same day, and wired them down.

My parents took me to see "Mame" that night, as Playhouse Square was right across from this witch doctor's office.
I picked up a packet of Juijy Fruits at the concession stand prior to the performance. When I finally dug into the box, and bit down on the first (and only) one, I burst into tears, the pain was so intense.

Who the fuck puts on the whole regalia in one day and ties that shit down? The guy was a sadist!
That whole orthodontic experience is seared into my brain.

As to books: I want the Massie tome on Russia.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 28, 2021 11:22 AM (BgMrQ)

403 Ginger, Mary Ann or Jane Hathaway?

Posted by: Just wondering at November 28, 2021 11:22 AM (jYQlA)

404 This is kind of my point: the people doing the fanfic either do not understand and like the series and simply want to make what they want to make using the name of the series as a skin suit.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 11:15 AM (csEWM)
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Which brings us back to Peter Jackson. Part of the reason his adaptations suck is that he didn't actually understand Tolkien's message. (The other is that given the choice between serious drama and a stupid joke, Jackson always goes with the stupid joke.)

LotR is above all a story about faith and if you don't have any, you feel the need to rip it out, which is what Jackson did. The result is incoherent and pointless randomly busy scenes. The characters look stupid and/or evil when they should be inspiring and heroic.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 11:23 AM (llXky)

405 I think a lot of people write fan fic (the non steamy kind) because the "world" doesn't have to be built--so all the boring nuts-and-bolts stuff can be skipped---and you can go straight into a creative storyline that's appreciated by the people who like the world that's already been built.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 11:23 AM (AwPyG)

406 Howey is why I would read Stephen King if Stephen King didn't suck and wasn't a hack writer but alas Stephen King sucks and is a hack writer.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 11:24 AM (Psn3N)

407 Nihilistic about Nihilism. I guess that would be the natural progression.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

My ignorance is exceeded only by my apathy about Nihilism.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 28, 2021 11:24 AM (FVME7)

408 >>> 388
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I think that was the sheriff. That's just setting the tone for the world which was specifically designed to remove people's hope and emotion. All the protagonists though are struggling to survive and live and I hate nihilist writing too and it definitely confronts and fights nihilism. There are two main protagonists, and one is a lady that replaces the sheriff and starts to investigate what led up to the previous guy's punishment and other mysteries.
Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 11:17 AM (Psn3N)

Ok, that's helpful. Also this shows the challenge of previews; how do you show enough to spark interest yet not give away the whole plot?

>>> 389 Nihilism sucks donkey balls.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 11:18 AM (csEWM)

LOL

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 28, 2021 11:25 AM (llON8)

409 IT'S FUNNY, BECAUSE A GHEY NAPOLEON SOLO IS PERFECTLY CAPABLE OF INSERTING HIMSELF, USUALLY IN UNSEEMLY PLACES.

Posted by: BEN ROTHLISBURGER at November 28, 2021 11:25 AM (m45I2)

410 @JoeBiden; Feb 1, 2020
Trump further diminished the U.S. in the eyes of the world by expanding his travel ban. This new "African Ban," is designed to make it harder for black and brown people to immigrate to the United States. It's a disgrace, and we cannot let him succeed.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 28, 2021 11:25 AM (UHVv4)

411 Does anyone know how to get Apple TV on their TV?Do I need a separate box? Can I install aps that aren't on the pre-baked menu?
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin
Yes, there are several ways. There is a apple TV box (hockey puck sized) that is like a roku box. And on that box you can install apps. The box also will allow you to airplay (wirelessly connect) from your phone to the box/tv.
But if you just have the Apple TV app on your iphone or ipad, you can plug your device into your tv using a lightning to HDMI connector.
You might be able to wirelessly play the apple TV content on your TV, but I have an apple TV box, so I do not do that, so I do not know.

Posted by: MikeM at November 28, 2021 11:25 AM (mgCYE)

412 Point of order: Miss Hathaway was the "prim spinster who secretly lusts"

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 11:16 AM (AwPyG)
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You can combine them. Makes for more complex and interesting characters.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 11:25 AM (llXky)

413 'Doctor' Richard Kimble?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021


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Yep. There is an episode of The Fugitive in which Kimble is seen on a street, and walks past the Del Floria's tailor shop exterior. So I started thinking . . . remember, he and U.N.C.L.E. were contemporary. And his medical expertise, as often shown on his series, is important in my story.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 11:26 AM (c6xtn)

414 German nihilists are the worst. Now STF up, Donnie.

Posted by: Frasier Crane at November 28, 2021 11:26 AM (CWMF2)

415 There's plenty of such stories out there, sad to say.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 11:22 AM (c6xtn)

Who buys this junk?

405 I think a lot of people write fan fic (the non steamy kind) because the "world" doesn't have to be built--so all the boring nuts-and-bolts stuff can be skipped---and you can go straight into a creative storyline that's appreciated by the people who like the world that's already been built.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 11:23 AM (AwPyG)

The creativity, actual creating, rests in the nuts and bolts of building "the world" and the characters. The rest is just derivative and a sort of theft, IMO. It's onlt creative in the way that kids playing with paw patrol toys and sending them to visit PJ Masks is creative.

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 11:27 AM (ONvIw)

416 365 I was in the middle of my Crossfit WOD yesterday and while transitioning from thrusters to handstand push-ups I came to the realization that I loved this blog. Thank You Ace, et al.

BTW, did I mention that I do crossfit?
Posted by: Jimmy at November 28, 2021 11:09 AM (6n0LA)

Jimmy would be a "trope"...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at November 28, 2021 11:27 AM (BgMrQ)

417 Dear Just wondering...
Which was Jane into, Ginger or Mary Ann? "C".

Posted by: klaftern at November 28, 2021 11:27 AM (taPSh)

418 > Point of order: Miss Hathaway was the "prim spinster who secretly lusts"

After Ellie May.


> Ginger, Mary Ann or Jane Hathaway?

Lovey Howell.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2021 11:27 AM (bW8dp)

419 Cowboy Bebop, for example, is the other thing. I like the series, but I have not passed into devoted fan yet (still digesting.) But even a cursory glance at the remake shows that the writers did not understand at all the tone of the show, the themes or the characters (except maybe Jett.) They intentionally changed most of the characters to what THEY wanted them to be.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 11:15 AM (csEWM)
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It's a great show, and you're right that the mood and music help make it work. I did an essay a few weeks ago about why the show will fail.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 11:27 AM (llXky)

420 Perhaps tomorrow I will make a few predictions about next year.

Posted by: The procrastinating prognossticator at November 28, 2021 11:28 AM (m45I2)

421 >>> 410 @JoeBiden; Feb 1, 2020
Trump further diminished the U.S. in the eyes of the world by expanding his travel ban. This new "African Ban," is designed to make it harder for black and brown people to immigrate to the United States. It's a disgrace, and we cannot let him succeed.
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 28, 2021 11:25 AM (UHVv4)

See why this is disinformation. Click here: []

Posted by: Facebook at November 28, 2021 11:28 AM (llON8)

422 > There is an episode of The Fugitive in which Kimble is seen on a street, and walks past the Del Floria's tailor shop exterior.

Floyd's Barber Shop from the Andy Griffith Show appears in an episode of Star Trek.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2021 11:28 AM (bW8dp)

423 I think a lot of people write fan fic (the non steamy kind) because the "world" doesn't have to be built--so all the boring nuts-and-bolts stuff can be skipped---and you can go straight into a creative storyline that's appreciated by the people who like the world that's already been built.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021


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Exactly. I wrote them out of love for the show (and writing practice), and found that since the world had been pre-constructed, I could focus on plot and character and sheer excitement. And it worked.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 11:28 AM (c6xtn)

424 Thought I was going to have a good week of reading and finish a book but, alas, The Voyage Out is longer than I expected and still has some time to go. Read through most of Eric Hoffer's The True Believer. Brilliant and you can see it in action today.

Posted by: who knew at November 28, 2021 11:29 AM (4I7VG)

425 Floyd's Barber Shop from the Andy Griffith Show appears in an episode of Star Trek.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2021


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The entire Mayberry street set appears in "Miri."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 11:29 AM (c6xtn)

426 Back to Sienkiewicz. See ya

Posted by: CN...FJB at November 28, 2021 11:30 AM (ONvIw)

427 LotR is above all a story about faith and if you don't have any, you feel the need to rip it out, which is what Jackson did. The result is incoherent and pointless randomly busy scenes. The characters look stupid and/or evil when they should be inspiring and heroic.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 11:23 AM (llXky)

Respectfully disagree on a couple points. Jackson specifically may not get it, but I think his writers (Boyens for example, do- at least on the originals.) I think they get Faramir right, for example.

The biggest problem I have with the original series is the Battle of the Pelenor Fields. I have mentioned this before, but the animated movie did a far better job of showing the battle than the movie did. The sense of hopelessness and despair. The city on fire in the Dark. Gandalf luminous in the darkness standing against the tide. The sense of wonder as the cock crowed and the light broke through the darkness. The Charge of the Rohirrim. The reversals, the triumph (minimizing/eliminating the ghost army.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 11:30 AM (csEWM)

428 @412

I dunno; I think the point of the "trope" character is they are two-dimensional, and easily fit into the viewer or reader's understanding of their role.

"The crazy/snooping next door neighbor"

"The annoying mother in law"

"The bad guy with a heart of gold"

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 11:30 AM (AwPyG)

429 There's plenty of such stories out there, sad to say.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 11:22 AM (c6xtn)

Who buys this junk?


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Most of it is free. There are MfU fanzines that people sell, mostly to get their vision out there and to pay for the postage, but I don't know how many focus on slash themes.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 11:31 AM (c6xtn)

430 German nihilists are the worst. Now STF up, Donnie.

Posted by: Frasier Crane at November 28, 2021 11:26 AM (CWMF2)
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The Lord of Spirits podcast has a running joke about ripping on 19th Century German Theologians.

Of course, such contempt is richly deserved.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 11:32 AM (llXky)

431 I guess what I am trying to say that Tolkien present the battle as allegory, whereas the movie just tried to make it a spectacle.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 11:32 AM (csEWM)

432 The A-Team and Battlestar Gallactica, the same universe.

Faceman = Starbuck

They find earth Starbuck joins the American military, the rest is history.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 11:33 AM (Psn3N)

433 " German nihilists are the worst. Now STF up, Donnie."

" Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos."

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2021 11:33 AM (bW8dp)

434 > The entire Mayberry street set appears in "Miri."

Ah. For some reason I was thinking it was "The City on the Edge of Forever".

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2021 11:35 AM (bW8dp)

435 say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos."

******

Now The Three Musketeers. THAT was a story with an ethos!!!

Posted by: The procrastinating prognossticator at November 28, 2021 11:35 AM (m45I2)

436 @432

That's gold!

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 11:35 AM (AwPyG)

437 387 Just read a lengthy review of Scott Atlas's book A Plague Upon Our House. Has anyone rad it? I don't usually read this kind of book, but the review makes it sound phenomenal exposing all the players that have made our lives miserable since Covid arrived on our shores.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 28, 2021 11:16 AM (Y+l9t)


Please post a link to the review, thanks!

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at November 28, 2021 11:35 AM (R+nnz)

438 @371 --

Yep, I've seen it.

Love love love Spike Jones.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 28, 2021 11:35 AM (Om/di)

439 Post apocalyptic theme? Dan Simmons cycle Hyperion Cantos Complete may qualify. His two books Ilium and Olympos - post humans/old style humans rising from the ashes kind of fit the theme. Vernor Vinge's Fire Upon the Deep and Children of the Sky explore civilization rising from the effects of the destruction of the high beyond via Godshatter.

Posted by: 13times at November 28, 2021 11:35 AM (9rMWy)

440 Murder She Wrote, The Love Boat, and Fantasy Island together formed a single doorway universe in which all other cinematic universes were connected allowing characters to travel in between realms.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 11:36 AM (Psn3N)

441 The most ironic part of these gender swap movies, books etc is that this is not why women read romance novels or watch rom-coms. I know I want to see sexy men without shirts being manly men doing manly things and that does not include kissing each other. It is like they think all women are secretly gay and all men secretly lust after each other.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 28, 2021 11:36 AM (Y+l9t)

442 /sock

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 11:36 AM (m45I2)

443
Respectfully disagree on a couple points. Jackson specifically may not get it, but I think his writers (Boyens for example, do- at least on the originals.) I think they get Faramir right, for example.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 11:30 AM (csEWM)
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No, they got him exactly wrong. What they did to him was an atrocity. Faramir - unlike Boromir - understood the nature of evil and therefore it did not tempt him the same way it did his brother.

Jackson has said he didn't believe anyone could be like that, so he changed the character. That's typical of showbusiness types: "I'm kind of a dirty bastard so anyone who says they aren't must be lying because no one is more virtuous than I!"

He also turned Aragorn into a two-timing psychotic.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 11:36 AM (llXky)

444 > Murder She Wrote, The Love Boat, and Fantasy Island together formed a single doorway universe in which all other cinematic universes were connected allowing characters to travel in between realms.

Also game shows.

Those shows were the TV equivalent of the bullpen in baseball. Something for actors to do in between real jobs.



Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2021 11:37 AM (bW8dp)

445 403 Ginger, Mary Ann or Jane Hathaway?
Posted by: Just wondering at November 28, 2021 11:22 AM (jYQlA)

In real life, Nancy Kulp was reportedly quite the bisexual nympho

go figure

Posted by: REDACTED at November 28, 2021 11:38 AM (us2H3)

446 @429

If you want to see fan fic at it's finest, look for Outlander fan fic websites. There are more than a dozen, and people can't get enough.

Heck, I know people who post fan fic even for mystery series, like the Laurie R King's Mary Russell/Sherlock Holmes series.

It's a whole new world

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 11:38 AM (AwPyG)

447 441 The most ironic part of these gender swap movies, books etc is that this is not why women read romance novels or watch rom-coms. I know I want to see sexy men without shirts being manly men doing manly things and that does not include kissing each other. It is like they think all women are secretly gay and all men secretly lust after each other.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 28, 2021 11:36 AM (Y+l9t)

Mom once told me that she suspected slash fic was a way for women to fantasize about being with two men at the same time.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 11:38 AM (csEWM)

448 403 Ginger, Mary Ann or Jane Hathaway?
Posted by: Just wondering at November 28, 2021 11:22 AM (jYQlA)

I'm going with Ingrid Pitt

Posted by: REDACTED at November 28, 2021 11:39 AM (us2H3)

449 The Scott Atlas review is on Brownstone.org. Afraid to post the full link because I don't know how to tinyurl.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 28, 2021 11:39 AM (Y+l9t)

450 @440

And then there's shows like Columbo, and most of the British shows, where the same actors show up as different characters.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 11:40 AM (AwPyG)

451 I guess what I am trying to say that Tolkien present the battle as allegory, whereas the movie just tried to make it a spectacle.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 11:32 AM (csEWM)
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The battle was an echo of the Battle of Vienna in 1683 - a time when another alliance came to fight a great evil. If you read about the actual siege and battle, the resemblance is obvious, right down to the commander of the garrison looking out from the top of St. Stephen's cathedral to see if help was on the way.

The Rohirrim are the Poles, who honor their oath, though Sobieski doesn't die on the field as Theoden did.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 11:40 AM (llXky)

452 "Based on some mentions on the thread, I bought 'Billan the Bard' and 'Cheesemaker Dursden' as Christmas gifts for my nieces. Now I just need them to arrive so I can preview them."
Posted by: Castle Guy at November

I just did the same for my Grandkids but they're in Maine so I had them shipped direct and won't be able to read them first. Just taking the high recommendations from here on faith.

Posted by: who knew at November 28, 2021 11:40 AM (4I7VG)

453 The entire Mayberry street set appears in "Miri."

Ah. For some reason I was thinking it was "The City on the Edge of Forever".
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2021


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That one too. MeTV uses the footage from both shows in one of their promos.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 11:41 AM (c6xtn)

454 Word on the street is when Liz saw pics of Ingrid Pitt sitting on Dick's lap, she got her fat ass to the set of WED

Posted by: REDACTED at November 28, 2021 11:41 AM (us2H3)

455 Here's a link to the review of Dr. Atlas' book

https://tinyurl.com/5n93j96k

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 11:42 AM (m45I2)

456 Also game shows.

Those shows were the TV equivalent of the bullpen in baseball. Something for actors to do in between real jobs.



Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 28, 2021 11:37 AM


The Match Game in all of it's iterations.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 28, 2021 11:42 AM (bVYXr)

457 Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 11:36 AM (llXky)

Hmmm, I disagree (at least on Faramir.) Aragorn I think in the movies is not really a character, to be honest.

I liked the movie treatment of Faramir because they showed him being... tempted is not quite the right word. Aware of what the ring meant. But he denies that possibility. Only Sam and Faramir in the books give up the ring- both because they are a different breed of men. Sam on friendship, Faramir on duty.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 11:43 AM (csEWM)

458
Heck, I know people who post fan fic even for mystery series, like the Laurie R King's Mary Russell/Sherlock Holmes series.

It's a whole new world
Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021


***
I'd love to do an Ellery Queen, or a Nero Wolfe story. I'm not sure my plotting skills are up to either, but I'd love to try.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 11:43 AM (c6xtn)

459 The most ironic part of these gender swap movies, books etc is that this is not why women read romance novels or watch rom-coms.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 28, 2021 11:36 AM (Y+l9t)
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The Starbuck role made Dirk Benedict a sex symbol, which surprised the hell out of him. He was a total cad, and the ladies loved it.

By the way, the other stupid thing about the gender-swap is that you can't have the two of them interact. Let's say you want there to be a girl fighter pilot on BSG - so go make one and have her get into a love-hate relationship with Starbuck! So much more dramatic possibilities - but only if you're motivated by something other than vandalism as CN said.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 11:44 AM (llXky)

460 The first Outlander book was Hot! Could not get through the second.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 28, 2021 11:44 AM (Y+l9t)

461 Which brings us back to Peter Jackson. Part of the reason his adaptations suck is that he didn't actually understand Tolkien's message. (The other is that given the choice between serious drama and a stupid joke, Jackson always goes with the stupid joke.)

I agree. The FOTR movie is the best of the 3, because Jackson was at his most cautious and under control with that one. People forget now, but there was a lot of skepticism at the time that anyone could successfully adapt the books to film. Jackson and his writers stuck very closely to the book for that first film, and it worked. Then as the story progressed, Jackson's success went to his head. People started responding to objections by saying, 'Well, this is PETER JACKSON'S Lord of the Rings, not Tolkien's.' By the 3rd film, I think he really believed that people wanted to hear what HE had to say, not Tolkien, and he just went nuts. Green ghoulies, Sam the Jealous Girlfriend, Denethor the Incompetent - it was all a mess. That third movie ruined the positive experience I'd had with the first 2.

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette at November 28, 2021 11:44 AM (WQhhR)

462 That third movie ruined the positive experience I'd had with the first 2.
Posted by: Dr. Mabusette at November 28, 2021 11:44 AM (WQhhR)

This summation pretty closely mirrors my read as well. Two Towers is that last one I actually liked overall. Most of 3 I am not a fan of.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 11:46 AM (csEWM)

463 Speaking of fanfic . . .

Columbia | SIPA
@ColumbiaSIPA
Kamala Harris and Pete Buttigieg could agree to run together in 2024 if Biden does not run again, giving the Democratic Party a very strong ticket that would seem like a natural continuation of Biden's first term, writes @LincolnMitchell.

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Yeah, boy, continue the suck!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 28, 2021 11:47 AM (FVME7)

464 Back from a constitutional with the lively and athletic Mrs naturalfake.

Lessee what's upthread.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 28, 2021 11:47 AM (5NkmN)

465 Thanks, Muldoon.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 28, 2021 11:47 AM (Y+l9t)

466 A series with intersting use of magic is Vox's Arts of Dark and Light books and related fillers. They are set in what feels like a more modern holy roman empire along with 1500's france and Vikings.

There are elves and orks and dwarves and magic and dragons but they are set in a fairly structured world plunging into war. There are treatises on whether elves have souls, a school of magic tries experimentation on dragons, with catastrophic results, elves are undergoing population problems. Lots of interesting stuff going on with magic just a secondary presence in the world.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 11:48 AM (Psn3N)

467 461 that sums it up nicely

Posted by: Skip's Phone at November 28, 2021 11:49 AM (2JoB8)

468 where are those napoleon solo stories available, there's a site that ties thrush to sebastian moran and moriarty's organization,

Posted by: no 6 at November 28, 2021 11:49 AM (hMlTh)

469 I was entertained by all 3 of the LoTR's movies but I wasn't expecting the book. It's an adaptation, nothing more. (shrugs)

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 28, 2021 11:49 AM (sAmhv)

470 Is everyone dead from the Omnicron?

Posted by: JoeXiDen - Lessko Brandon at November 28, 2021 11:49 AM (JPK1I)

471 Mrs. E is making stuffing (today is our Thanksgiving meal) and she just licked her fingers. I told her 'don't do that, you'll get worms!'. Just came outta the deep recesses of my skull cause GrandMammy Eromero said that to me about damn near everything she cooked. And get this, I never had worms.

Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2021 11:49 AM (0OP+5)

472 Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 11:44 AM (llXky)

The Battlestar remake is another example of nihilism sucking donkey balls.

Let's throw out the theme of hope and determination in the face of adversity and instead wallow in backstabbing, politics and misery!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 11:50 AM (csEWM)

473 Miss Jane was the only woman hot for Jethro, not primarily because of his dad's money. Jethro's naive rejection led Miss Jane to take up with bird watchers of questionable genderidge.

Posted by: f'd at November 28, 2021 11:50 AM (Tnijr)

474 Kamala Harris and Pete Buttigieg could agree to run together in 2024 if Biden does not run again, giving the Democratic Party a very strong ticket that would seem like a natural continuation of Biden's first term, writes @LincolnMitchell.

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Yeah, boy, continue the suck!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 28, 2021 11:47 AM (FVME7

It'd never work. They'd knock themselves out in a mutual head-butt, trying to suck Xi's dick.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 28, 2021 11:51 AM (P3gRi)

475 Quote Tweet
Josh Wingrove @josh_wingrove; Nov 26
President Biden, speaking today to reporters about the travel restrictions on southern African nations where a new Covid variant originated.

"We don't know a lot about the variant, except that it is of great concern, it seems to spread rapidly," he said.

Stephen L. Miller @redsteeze; 3h
Walks down the street with a mask on. Takes it off when he gets close to people to talk. Coughs openly into his hand. Amazing.

https://tinyurl.com/53m53r4z
[37-second video]

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 28, 2021 11:52 AM (UHVv4)

476 We all know someone like Jane Hathaway, which I think is part of her appeal.

She's the nice version of a "karen."

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 11:52 AM (AwPyG)

477 I really liked 'The Two Towers' movie - saw it several times in the theatre. And I was so keyed up with excitement for the third one I went almost on opening day. To say I was disappointed is an understatement. I walked out of that theatre shell-shocked at how much I disliked it. In fact, I began to doubt my own experience. I thought there must have been something wrong with ME - I'd spoiled the experience somehow, maybe because I was overexcited and expectant. I went back the next week to see it again; I figured once I'd calmed down I'd be able to take in the movie properly. Nope, it was terrible. That was it for me. It's taken a lot of effort to forget the movies enough so they don't intrude upon my mind when I'm reading the books again.

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette at November 28, 2021 11:52 AM (WQhhR)

478 Was watching a bit of the BBC (Bagging, Boarding and chatting) podcast and AZ was going off on the WoT series. The sad thing is, the stuff that turned him off initially WAS actually stuff from the books. Jordan was trying to show a female dominated world (and the problems with it)- but not in a comically, mustache twirling way. He was trying to be subtle and show the differences based on the fundamental difference in world view between men and women.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 11:52 AM (csEWM)

479 @475

If you want to see how worried everyone is about the omicron variant, take a look at Ohio State-Michigan post game footage.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 11:53 AM (AwPyG)

480 92 I believe we were told multiple times that the town the Clampetts came from on Beverly Hillbillies had a movie theatre called the Bijou.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

... and the name of the town was Bugtussle, TX.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM)

.... And apparently Hootersville was located close to Bugtussle. I had imagined it up north somewhere in maybe the midwest.

Posted by: Peter (My friends call me Pete) Zah at November 28, 2021 11:53 AM (a4vvV)

481 Only Sam and Faramir in the books give up the ring- both because they are a different breed of men. Sam on friendship, Faramir on duty.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 11:43 AM (csEWM)
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That's not true. They were able to reject the Ring because it held no allure for them. They didn't have to overcome temptation because they weren't actually tempted.

Sam just wanted to be gardener, and therefore all the power of the Ring was useless to him. It was a hindrance.

Faramir was different. Yes, Gondor had need of a weapon, and this was why Boromir fell. But Faramir wasn't tempted because he clearly saw that by taking up the Ring, he would destroy himself and all he loved. That is why he not only could refuse the ring, but - knowing his father - refuse to let it come any closer to Minas Tirith.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 11:54 AM (llXky)

482 The super conservative Newsmax channel fired a host after he opposed the mandate for employees. yet another grift operation to swindle gullible boomers. It was so obvious from the start.

Posted by: JoeXiDen - Lessko Brandon at November 28, 2021 11:54 AM (JPK1I)

483 Man, I wish I was forced to read The Odyssey.

(Well, I was, kinda. I was introduced to the part where Odysseus is captured by Polyphemus and has to use his wits to escape back in eighth grade. In ninth I read the rest of it on my own, in class, as it sure beat the crap out of Great Expectations, perhaps the worst novel ever written.)

Posted by: Cow Demon - The Spice Must Flow at November 28, 2021 11:54 AM (CdZ4i)

484 >>> The Battlestar remake is another example of nihilism sucking donkey balls. Let's throw out the theme of hope and determination in the face of adversity and instead wallow in backstabbing, politics and misery!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 11:50 AM (csEWM)

Hey! I was just reading about Dirk Benedict and he said this:

"the war against masculinity has been won" and that "a television show based on hope, spiritual faith, and family is unimagined and regurgitated as a show of despair, sexual violence and family dysfunction"

Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 11:54 AM (Psn3N)

485 Posted by: Dr. Mabusette at November 28, 2021 11:52 AM (WQhhR)

I did not have a problem with the movies spoiling my idea of the books, indeed- that was the problem. The third movie was just wrong on so many levels that my brain just rejected it. This is the reason I never bothered watching the Hobbit adaptation.

'It got into my hand and it went bad. So I lopped it off at the wrist!'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 11:55 AM (csEWM)

486 419 Cowboy Bebop, for example, is the other thing. I like the series, but I have not passed into devoted fan yet (still digesting.) But even a cursory glance at the remake shows that the writers did not understand at all the tone of the show, the themes or the characters (except maybe Jett.) They intentionally changed most of the characters to what THEY wanted them to be.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 11:15 AM (csEWM)
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It's a great show, and you're right that the mood and music help make it work. I did an essay a few weeks ago about why the show will fail.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd



Cowboy Beebop is a gem of a show (Anime). It Anime for people who think Anime is kind of weird (it is). I think it's one of the Top 10 TV shows of all time. The Netflix version will screw it up. The previews I've seen have the trappings that it will be good but the Entertainment industry has burnt all bridges. It's going to suck.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 28, 2021 11:56 AM (sAmhv)

487 7 I have not seen the latest Dune adaptation, but I have hear many good things about it, so I will most likely give it a try at some point. I understand it's set itself up for a sequel, though, as it ends somewhere in the mid-point of the book.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 28, 2021 09:04 AM (K5n5d)

You best remember one thing...

Posted by: The Spice Must Flow at November 28, 2021 11:56 AM (CdZ4i)

488 Let the Boomer Wars commence.

Posted by: That guy who always says... at November 28, 2021 11:56 AM (Xrfse)

489 @485

Very similar to Star Wars, when you think about it

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 11:56 AM (AwPyG)

490 Well, I for one rely enjoy tvtropes.com -- but Lawdy, does it swallow time.

Start at one rabbit hole and next thing you know, you have at least 10 tabs open.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 28, 2021 11:57 AM (L4YRh)

491 You best remember one thing...
Posted by: The Spice Must Flow at November 28, 2021 11:56 AM (CdZ4i)


But don't get it on the carpet. That stuff is a bear to get out...

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 28, 2021 11:57 AM (PiwSw)

492 "bijou" is also prohibition era slang for movie theater....

Posted by: sven at November 28, 2021 11:57 AM (Lzpvj)

493 Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 11:54 AM (llXky)

Hmmm, I disagree, but that interpretation would probably be closer to what Tolkien meant. This would be the reason for the similar reaction by Tom Bombadil.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 11:58 AM (csEWM)

494 where are those napoleon solo stories available, there's a site that ties thrush to sebastian moran and moriarty's organization,
Posted by: no 6 at November 28, 2021


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Have a look upthread at my 394 and 396; I have links to several of my stories.

David McDaniel, the pro writer, I think was the first to suggest that the remnants of Moriarty's criminal organization evolved into Thrush.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 11:58 AM (c6xtn)

495 BH was often very funny, and still is. GA was just plain surreal.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 10:26 AM (c6xtn)


every character in GA was living a life tangential to reality, and completely focused on their own experience, the show was about where the realities intersected

Posted by: Kindltot at November 28, 2021 11:59 AM (P9T5R)

496 I did not have a problem with the movies spoiling my idea of the books, indeed- that was the problem. The third movie was just wrong on so many levels that my brain just rejected it. This is the reason I never bothered watching the Hobbit adaptation.

'It got into my hand and it went bad. So I lopped it off at the wrist!'
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 11:55 AM (csEWM)

I actually saw The Hobbit in the movie house; one of my very rare exceptions of not going to movies. I thought Smaug the dragon was very well done, and quite spectacular. Many of the other characters were quite cartoonish.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 28, 2021 11:59 AM (P3gRi)

497 15 And bought the box set of Chronicles of Narnia for my Grand- niece for Christmas. Strange it showed up after 8pm by a Amazon truck.
Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2021 09:07 AM (2JoB

My fourth-grade teacher kept her set in class, and she would read to us the books. She didn't finish the set though.

It was here where any taste I had for fantasy was killed.

Posted by: Cow Demon - Free Australia! at November 28, 2021 11:59 AM (CdZ4i)

498 Sitting at the bottom of a spiral staircase is simply begging for someone to trip and fall. Unconscionable!

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 11:59 AM (m45I2)

499 LotR is above all a story about faith and if you don't have any, you feel the need to rip it out, which is what Jackson did. The result is incoherent and pointless randomly busy scenes. The characters look stupid and/or evil when they should be inspiring and heroic.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 11:23 AM (llXky)

Any chance there is another way to see LoTR and Jackson's interpretation, or are we to accept this as the gospel?

Because you seem awfully sure of yourself.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2021 12:00 PM (Q9lwr)

500 "the war against masculinity has been won" and that "a television show based on hope, spiritual faith, and family is unimagined and regurgitated as a show of despair, sexual violence and family dysfunction"
Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 11:54 AM (Psn3N)

I heard an interview about 10 years ago with him. Seemed like a wise dude and this comment kind of reinforces that. All except about the war being won and over. That is also wallowing in nihilism. The read on the show is perspicacious though. (Sorry, just wanted to use the word.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 12:01 PM (csEWM)

501 WE HAZ NOOD

Posted by: Skip's Phone at November 28, 2021 12:01 PM (2JoB8)

502 The super conservative Newsmax channel fired a host after he opposed the mandate for employees. yet another grift operation to swindle gullible boomers. It was so obvious from the start.
Posted by: JoeXiDen - Lessko Brandon

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Nemo
@Unknemo
I want to see videos of anti-vax parents being painfully restrained, the look of absolute horror in their eyes, tears running down their cheeks as their children are FORCIBLY vaccinated against the will of their racist, Trumpist, anti-vax, transphobic parents.

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Feel the love.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 28, 2021 12:01 PM (FVME7)

503 470 Is everyone dead from the Omnicron?
Posted by: JoeXiDen



https://youtu.be/WuL2QwsNeM8

You're Next!!!

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 28, 2021 12:01 PM (sAmhv)

504 Another good classic fantasy series for the young is The Chronicles of Prydain. Unfortunately, most people are only familiar with Disney's bad animated movie, which took elements from the first two books, and almost ended Disney's animation department.

Posted by: junior at November 28, 2021 12:02 PM (ZOW7j)

505 Outlander, really? That's ironic, considering Diana Gabaldon's stated views on fanfic....

If you want to understand fanfic, though, look no further than the Arthurian legend. There are people who get it wrong (Chretien de Troyes, Marion Zimmer Bradley); there are people who get it nearly right but get thrown off a bit by their own agendas (Marie de France, Tennyson); there are people whose fanon gets treated as canon by other writers (Geoffrey of Monmouth); there are people who succeed in making it better (Wolfram von Eschenbach); and there are people who come up with highly creative stories that wouldn't work nearly as well if they were original fic (Sir Gawain and the Green Knight--the poem, not the latest filmed atrocity). But looking at how we get to, say, The Once and Future King from On the Ruin of Britain? It's fanfic all the way down. It just wasn't called that until the twentieth century.

Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at November 28, 2021 12:02 PM (A65/D)

506 >>> Sitting at the bottom of a spiral staircase is simply begging for someone to trip and fall. Unconscionable!
Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 11:59 AM (m45I2)


I can go up and down staircases like that if I just fly, if I slow down and think about where my feet are going I will trip.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 12:02 PM (Psn3N)

507 This has been a fun thread. I need to make sure I drop in on this one every week.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 28, 2021 12:02 PM (c6xtn)

508 "Were the Henning shows the first shared universe on TV?"

The Warners' TV westerns and private eye shows had multiple crossover episodes and shared characters, with Richard Long, for example, playing Rex Randolph on Bourbon Street Beat, Hawaiian Eye and 77 Sunset Strip (as well as at least 2 other characters on this show) and Van Williams played Kenny Madison as a regular character on Bourbon Street Beat and Surfside Six.

As for the Beverley Hillbillies, Petticoat Junction and Green Acres having a shared universe, while Bea Benaderet played different characters on BH (Jethro's mom) and PJ and GA (Kate Bradley), Frank Cady played Sam Drucker on all three series so to that extent it was a shared universe. Having an actor play different characters even during the course of a single TV series wasn't uncommon in 1950s and 60s TV; Med Flory, Leslie Nielsen, John Dehner and Tom Tryon, for example, all played different characters in different episodes of the Virginian, and Dawn Wells played at least four different characters on 77 Sunset Strip.

Posted by: Pope John the 20th at November 28, 2021 12:03 PM (Ap+cR)

509 Feel the love.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 28, 2021 12:01 PM (FVME7)

Well,yeah. We aRE in this together, right? RIGHT?

Posted by: Dee Snyder at November 28, 2021 12:03 PM (/6GbT)

510 My fourth-grade teacher kept her set in class, and she would read to us the books. She didn't finish the set though.

Hey, my fourth-grade teacher did the same thing! She did finish the books, though, and went on to read us many other good stories, like the 3-volume Vikings books by Henry Treece. I think she might have also read 'A Wrinkle in Time' too.

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette at November 28, 2021 12:03 PM (WQhhR)

511 I really liked 'The Two Towers' movie - saw it several times in the theatre. .

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette at November 28, 2021 11:52 AM (WQhhR)
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Elves at Helm's Deep.

Stupid.

My wife got on of those "Haldir Lives! (I don't care what Peter Jackson says)" t-shirts.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 12:04 PM (llXky)

512 Without comparing Jackson's LOTR to the books, it remains in my memory as a brilliant movie experience. The scenery, the casting, all brilliant. The characters looked like I imagined them. The technical asPects of movie vs book did not come into play while sitting in the theater.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 28, 2021 12:05 PM (Y+l9t)

513 Heather From Alberta
@FromAlberta
The USA has no gun control at all.

You can buy a gun at a convenience store and carry it around with bullets in it.

They are the bottom of the barrel when comparing countries.

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I guess that's the 7/11 & .45 Convenience Store.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 28, 2021 12:05 PM (FVME7)

514 Marie Oakes @TheMarieOakes; 8h
San Francisco Mayor London Breed dances maskless while SF has an indoor mask mandate in the city.

https://tinyurl.com/4zrb35f7

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 28, 2021 12:05 PM (UHVv4)

515 'The Weirdstone of Brisingamen' was another one. I haven't read that one myself, only remember it being read to us in 4th grade. I should give it a try and see how I like it now.

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette at November 28, 2021 12:05 PM (WQhhR)

516 470 Is everyone dead from the Omnicron?

i think you've confused it with the necronomicron variant.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 28, 2021 12:05 PM (6leiI)

517 I will observe that I think the pendulum may be a'swingin' back the other way.

Those of us who watch cartoons with kids might conclude that--because of the spectacular success of Bluey, an import from Australia, (very family-oriented)--suddenly some of the cartoon characters who seemed a little questionable on American shows are getting married, or being revealed as having a spouse all along.

See: the teacher on Daniel Tiger; Bob on Puppy Dog Pals

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 12:06 PM (AwPyG)

518 where are those napoleon solo stories available, there's a site that ties thrush to sebastian moran and moriarty's organization,
Posted by: no 6 at November 28, 2021


Michael Kurland wrote a series of Moriarty books where Moriarty was a "consulting criminal" providing methods and procedures for committing crimes in England to fund his astronomical researches that appear to be experimental research for a theory of relativity. All while being pursued by Sherlock Holmes and his surprising influence at Scotland Yard.

The first one is The Infernal Device which is about an assassination, and the second is Death by Gaslight which is about a shadowy organization that kidnaps women. Col Moran shows up in the second book as hired muscle.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 28, 2021 12:06 PM (P9T5R)

519 Found it. From the first episode of Beverly Hillbillies. All this time I thought they were from East Texas, but here the geologist says "since East Texas" not "In East Texas"



"GEOLOGIST: There it is, Mr. Brewster. From the tests and surveys, I say that's gonna be one of the richest pools since east Texas. "

Posted by: f'd at November 28, 2021 12:06 PM (Tnijr)

520 @513

clearly you've never been to AZ. Where you can buy a gun at a drug store.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 12:07 PM (AwPyG)

521 Outlander. I think I read the first three books. Gabaldon turned a tartan wearing Scottish badass into a sweet talking, spooning pillow-talker.

Posted by: 13times at November 28, 2021 12:07 PM (9rMWy)

522 512 Without comparing Jackson's LOTR to the books, it remains in my memory as a brilliant movie experience. The scenery, the casting, all brilliant. The characters looked like I imagined them. The technical asPects of movie vs book did not come into play while sitting in the theater.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 28, 2021 12:05 PM (Y+l9t)

If you enjoyed it, what does it matter? Fans of material love to get into hair splitting and interpretation debates.

This really is the point of art, to inspire.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 12:07 PM (csEWM)

523 @518

Thanks, those sound great.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 12:08 PM (AwPyG)

524 BREAKING: "Judge In Ghislaine Maxwell Trial Issues Media-Wide Gag Order: All Press & Spectators Barred From Courtroom."

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Must be juicy but it'd just embarrass our betters.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 28, 2021 12:09 PM (FVME7)

525 Must be juicy but it'd just embarrass our betters.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 28, 2021 12:09 PM (FVME7)

This. Sunlight is best.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 12:09 PM (csEWM)

526 @524

Have you seen a pic of the Ghislaine trial judge?

Says it all. Oh, and Biden has recommended "her" for an appellate appointment.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 12:11 PM (AwPyG)

527 Have a great day everyone. Happy I spent the morning with all of you.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 28, 2021 12:11 PM (Y+l9t)

528 Any chance there is another way to see LoTR and Jackson's interpretation, or are we to accept this as the gospel?

Because you seem awfully sure of yourself.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2021 12:00 PM (Q9lwr)
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My interpretation is based on the actual text and Tolkien's commentary on it.

Jackson has said he changed the character because he didn't like that interpretation. Jackson changed lots of things.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 12:11 PM (llXky)

529 505 And as there was no copyright law back then it did not argue to subvert it for profit. People who rip off writers' characters, settings, and plot lines are lacking in creativity. Those things, the nuts, bolts, and other hardware ARE the creative parts. Fanfiction is standing on someone else's shoulders.

Posted by: CN at November 28, 2021 12:11 PM (ONvIw)

530 I wish the US were really like what the rest of the world imagines us to be.

Posted by: JoeXiDen - Lessko Brandon at November 28, 2021 12:13 PM (JPK1I)

531 The time that all the networks--but mostly CBS--massacred those country shows is known as The Rural Purge. But it wasn't just rural shows. They got rid of The Jackie Gleason Show too, fir the same reason, "demographics."

Interestingly, rural shows started creeping back only a few years later with The Waltons and Little House on the Prarie, but with an injection of "social issues."

Posted by: JoeF. at November 28, 2021 12:13 PM (mR6Gs)

532 Marie Oakes @TheMarieOakes; 8h
San Francisco Mayor London Breed dances maskless while SF has an indoor mask mandate in the city.

Every time I hear "London Breed" I think it's a mid-60's British band.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 28, 2021 12:16 PM (mR6Gs)

533 @530

We're the shining city on the hill. Notice nobody's bustin' their behind to leave and go be refugees elsewhere.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 12:17 PM (AwPyG)

534 My interpretation is based on the actual text and Tolkien's commentary on it.

Jackson has said he changed the character because he didn't like that interpretation. Jackson changed lots of things.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 12:11 PM (llXky)

While not conforming directly to Tolkien, I think there is value in depicting the Ring as Temptation itself. That it can find a hold on anyone, and each one has to find some way to fight against it. Paragons exist, but at the same time I often find them to be somewhat boring in stories.

I don't disagree that that might be outside of what Tolkien intended, but I also think there are interpretations that can still be valuable and enjoyable in Tolkien's work outside of what he intended.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 12:17 PM (csEWM)

535 @532

I honestly wonder if these far-left mayors are plants, with made up names. Lori Lightfoot. London Breed.

We know Bill de Blasio made up his name.

Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 12:18 PM (AwPyG)

536 >>> I honestly wonder if these far-left mayors are plants, with made up names. Lori Lightfoot. London Breed.

We know Bill de Blasio made up his name.
Posted by: artemis at November 28, 2021 12:18 PM (AwPyG)

I don't get it?

Posted by: Keisha Lance Bottoms at November 28, 2021 12:21 PM (Psn3N)

537 Here's some good dystopian novels you're unlikely to have read:

"Facial Justice" by LP Hartley - weirdly with just a few alterations in plot it could be our reality.

"The Alteration" by Kingsley Amis - no Reformation, anti-Catholic in tone.

"Pavane" by Keith Roberts - no Reformation, anti-Catholic in tone

"Russian Hide and Seek" by Kingsley Amis - russian takeover of England

"Cocksure" by Mordecai Richler - a black comic dystopian version of the present day, only the "present day" is 1968 in Swinging London. One of these "one month into the future sort of dealios" which just happens to very much resemble the Biden Years.
"This Perfect Day" by Ira Levin - a lovely Unified world after the Great Reset...uh...urr..The Unification run by hidden Betters. A best possible dystopia for what follows Our Better's Great Reset, and even then...
"A Regiment of Women" by Thomas Berger - Feminism takes over the world. Yay! Everything is perfect now! Or is it? Your tolerance of the grotesque will determine whether or not you enjoy this very black comedy.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 28, 2021 12:23 PM (5NkmN)

538 Bijou: "J.J. and CBD bijous."
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

I hope youse have a Honkin' Hannukah !

Posted by: JT at November 28, 2021 12:25 PM (arJlL)

539 When I was a teenager in junior high we had to read Bless the Beasts and The Children, then watch the movie. We called it Bless the Beasts and the Little Fuckers.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Crossing state lines like a Boss at November 28, 2021 12:33 PM (x8Wzq)

540 Posted by: CN at November 28, 2021 12:11 PM (ONvIw)

"There is nothing new under the sun," friend. There's a whole host of scholarship on the subject, not least of which is Tolkien's "On Fairy-stories." And as Wolfus pointed out, most fanfic that's published as such is free--not only because that's the expectation throughout the fan community, but also because under copyright law (at least in the US and UK), transformative works are fair use as long as they're not for profit. But I reckon we'll have to agree to disagree on this point.

Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at November 28, 2021 12:34 PM (A65/D)

541 Are there any really well-written postapocalyptic novels out there? Most all are just awful.
I've read: A Canticle for Lebovitz, The Road, Ridley Walker, and all the lesser ones. But none of the newer ones are worthwhile.


Paul O. Williams' Pelbar series is a good one. A matriarchal survivor group on the Mississippi (known as the Heart river in the series) has built a series of keeps to protect from groups of nomadic hunters that travel seasonally through the areas following the wild cattle migration; trading with them during treaty fairs and being hunted by them the rest of the year. It is stable though populations are rising and the Pelbar are faced with questions of how to go on. Then the Peshtak start expanding down the Heart river with longships and cannon, and the Pelbar have to find allies to survive, and this means breaking centuries of isolation from the wild world.

The Breaking of Northwall is the first book

Posted by: Kindltot at November 28, 2021 12:35 PM (P9T5R)

542 Fellow Hordelings,
I lurk around these parts sometimes and was hoping to reach out for some help. This year I am doing the NaNoWriMo challenge. I'm nearly finished with my story. Hopefully I will actually make the deadline. However I'm looking for some help from some of the horde. I world like to find a few test readers to tell me if the story is worth trying to get published. Also any information on how people have gotten their works published would be helpful. My email is confuzzledauthor(at)gmail(dot)com if anyone would like to help out

Posted by: Confuzzled at November 28, 2021 12:39 PM (LeegZ)

543 Hey, my fourth-grade teacher did the same thing! She did finish the books, though, and went on to read us many other good stories, like the 3-volume Vikings books by Henry Treece. I think she might have also read 'A Wrinkle in Time' too.
Posted by: Dr. Mabusette at November 28, 2021 12:03 PM (WQhhR)

Somewhere in my archive is a picture of my fourth-grade class where my teacher is quite clearly in the midst of reading us a book from the Chronicles of Narnia.

I looked at it recently and thought to myself, "Imagine (teacher's name here) reading the class Dune instead!!!"

Posted by: Cow Demon - Free Australia! at November 28, 2021 12:53 PM (CdZ4i)

544 540. Well, friend, stealing someone's characters and settings is not " creative " . If it's public domain, well that's legal. But if it's not it's low. Nobody here who took the time and effort to create a " world", wants a grifter panning for gold with their efforts on their IP.

Posted by: CN at November 28, 2021 01:34 PM (ONvIw)

545 "Cocksure" by Mordecai Richler - one of my favorite writers of funny books. Solomon Gursky Was Here is probably my favorite but anything by him is worth reading.

Thomas Berger is a name I haven't seen in a while. Neighbors is particularly good but I'd bet all are worth reading if you like dark comedy.

Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at November 28, 2021 01:40 PM (y7DUB)

546 Spoke to my college roommate yesterday (a rare pleasure, since she's a workaholic), and we got on the topic of books. She'd like us to read something together to discuss, and Neal Stephenson came up. So we'll probably choose one of his books. I wallowed in Cryptonomicon and the Baroque Trilogy, as well as Snow Crash and The Diamond Age almost 20 years ago, but of course he's still writing and there are also books from the 90s to enjoy. If you haven't ready Stephenson, you're missing out. Cryptonomicon is a fantastic read at over 900 pages, and a good place to start. Alternative history.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess - #SuperStraight at November 28, 2021 02:10 PM (Mzdiz)

547 Man I found a bunch of stuff on Aetherczar to read, that looks like a terrific resource. I should see if I can hook up with them to give my books more notice.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 28, 2021 02:46 PM (KZzsI)

548 Bijou: Awesome Kpop group from back in the day - great song.

https://youtu.be/8o_wYEFHrr8

Posted by: Bonnie Blue - says FU at November 28, 2021 04:56 PM (hlxe7)

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