Saturday Evening Movie Thread [Moviegique]: The Evil Dead (1981)

"The most ferociously original horror movie of 1982." — Stephen King

That quote of Stephen King's could not have come earlier than June of 1982 when John Carpenter's The Thing had just been released, which has essentially the same plot—monsters that can turn into anyone kill a group of people one by one—as well as truly ferocious (and revolutionary) special effects, but we'll cut the ole Maine schlockmeister some slack here: His glowing praise made the movie's success possible, launching the career of Sam Raimi and perhaps tangentially the Coen Brothers (who leaned on Sam Raimi and Bruce Campbell for their film debut, Blood Simple).



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"Here's to a perfectly nice weekend without my so-called 'friends' poking my sprained ankle with pencils."

It's possible The Boy had never seen this—as a toddler he was a huge fan of Army of Darkness, and when he was older Evil Dead II—so I was tempering, somewhat, his expectations. The acting in this film is some of the worst ever recorded, and in a charming intro by Bruce Campbell (for the 40th anniversary showing at a drive-in) he notes that his most famous work is also his worst. (My rebuttal would be that he really didn't turn in a good performance until 2002's Bubba Ho-Tep, so there was a fairly high chance of that happening anyway.) Someone asked him for advice for actors and he said something to the effect of "Do anything because you're going to suck at first."

The girls do better than the guys, and Richard DeManincor (as "Scott") does better than Bruce, but you can see the beginnings of what would become the more successfully hammy and manic performances Campbell turns in for the highly regarded Evil Dead II, which today would probably be called a "soft reboot" rather than an "incoherent sequel". (It is supposed to be a sequel, except Ash dies at the end of the first movie, and even if he hadn't died, why the hell would he take another girlfriend into a cabin in the woods?)



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"Honey, if you were possessed by a demon and I had to chop your head off but later I met another girl and wanted to bring her to this cabin, would you be okay with that?"

And you can't really talk about this movie without covering the occasionally shockingly bad special effects: an Ed Wood level lightning strike on a tree (which Sam Raimi got removed from some early cuts); several composites of the moon being occluded by black smoke; the jarring stop-motion animation. Bruce Campbell made reference to George Lucas' Star Wars CGI shenanigans and basically said you won't see any of that here: All the wires are still visible, and you can see the hose pumping blood—which actually leads me to the point of all this, because I never have seen those wires and hoses. I was even looking this time.

From a 20-year-old Sam Raimi's endless well of energy, and his intuitive sense of moviemaking, we get a movie that basically dares you to not take it seriously. Some apologists have suggested that the camp moments in the movie were deliberate, to which Raimi has responded that everyone involved was deadly earnest. This movie is powered by that force: Ellen Sandweiss' brittle emotionalism after being raped by the woods; Bruce Campbell asserting that they can't bury Shelly, whom they've just hacked to pieces, because "she's our friend"; DeManincor's Scotty's decision to flee and leave the injured Linda to her fate. A single wink-wink to the audience would ruin it all.



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Bros before She-Demons.

While the opening scenes of the Olds Delta 88 (a family car that's been in most of his movies) are not quite Manos: The Hands of Fate level bad, they're still the sort of rough-cut, badly overdubbed kind of thing you see in horror films all the time. The instant the car hits the rickety bridge, however, the camera transforms into a weapon, a hostile entity—literally, as it represents the Force In The Woods. Dutch angles, shots with improvised tracks (they couldn't afford a dolly), Sam Raimi hanging from the rafters by his legs to get a back-to-front shot of Campbell's head, as Ash begins to realize he's in a demonic madhouse...these were filmmakers taking their best (and probably only shot) at getting noticed.

It not only becomes easy to overlook the film's flaws, it becomes hard not to. I was not particularly a fan at the time, but I liken it today to re-viewing Mel Brooks movies: When I watch them now I see a man whose sole interest is in making me laugh, and nothing is beneath him in that task. I see in Evil Dead a passion to scare me, to win me over, to make good on the promises of the '70s exploitation horrors (which often were quite dull and almost always ploddingly pedestrian in their presentation), and a tremendous amount of care which one doesn't see in low-budget flicks that aren't "arty". The foreshadowing of the demonic peek-a-boo with Ash and Cheryl's flirtatious peek-a-boo early on; Bob Dorian reading the exact description of what's going to happen later on in the film; the Joel Coen-edited scene of Ash securing Cheryl to dismember her, which act he cannot go through with, even if it seals her fate and his; the endless dark basement where Ash gets his first (fake) scare that he realizes he has to go back into later on.



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1980 Fashion To Young Women: "I'll swallow your souls!"

The rape scene is somewhat controversial even today, with Raimi claiming to regret it today. I believe this claim; Raimi seems like a rather gentle spirit who was driven to get whatever he felt he needed to on film. I hated it at the time. I had (and still have) a very low threshhold for "rape as entertainment". In retrospect, though, I think it actually adds pretty well to the horror of the situation. Nobody believes Shelly when she says the woods have attacked her, and she doesn't go into details—they wouldn't believe her. (So, if you like, it works as a metaphor for unheard victims.) It's suitably audacious and fits in with the random demonic torture that is the movie's theme.

Joel Coen was working for an editor, Edna Ruth Paul, who was from a time when movie credits were not so exhaustive. She probably deserves considerable credit here as well, given the film was originally nearly 2 hours long. I would like to see the two hour cut, but my guess it would be much, much worse.

Even Joe LoDuca's score—his first—rises above the time when cheap synth tracks and drum machines ruled the earth.

It's just one of those cases where the energy and talent exceeds well past the limitations of the budget and the constraints of the genre, and it was delightful to see it again, 40 years later, with a grouchy, jowly Bruce Campbell still grousing about Raimi and (producer Rob) Tapert poking his injured ankle with pencils to get him riled up before a scene. The Boy was much enthused.



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The deer head only has a cameo in Evil Dead, but it's a major player in Evil Dead II.

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1 hya

Posted by: JT at October 16, 2021 07:01 PM (arJlL)

2 points. The popcorn

Posted by: Skip at October 16, 2021 07:01 PM (2JoB8)

3 Em-dashes.

The blog hates em-dashes.

But I =love= em-dashes.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 07:01 PM (asXVI)

4 First watched this at Clembo's house probably in 1985. I held up pretty good until the pencil scene. The pencil got me.

Posted by: 29Victor at October 16, 2021 07:02 PM (BJKQV)

5 >> The pencil got me.

Inspired by real life!

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 07:04 PM (asXVI)

6 Cry Macho any good?
Thinking about watching it tonite.

Posted by: Eskimo at October 16, 2021 07:05 PM (zIRb+)

7 Good evening. I'm watching the RLM boys Rich and Jay rank Carpenter films.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at October 16, 2021 07:06 PM (Dc2NZ)

8 2 movies to report on neither New.
Warriors was a TV movie I think with Damian Lewis ( Band of Brothers) and Ioan Gruffudd as a British army unit in Kosovo, sad and tough to watch
2nd was another well done movie Kilo 2 Bravo about a British unit in Afghanistan, a patrol gets caught in a minefield and things go bad real quick, based on a true story.

Posted by: Skip at October 16, 2021 07:07 PM (2JoB8)

9 I thought Old Henry was a candy bar?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 16, 2021 07:09 PM (63Dwl)

10 ||Cry Macho any good?||

The Boy and I thought it was okay. The lady who heard us say that outside the theater said "It was AWFUL!"

So, opinions vary.

|| I'm watching the RLM boys Rich and Jay rank Carpenter films.||

I'm not loving Rich's rankings. Heh.


Bleg: If anyone DOES go to my blog, let me know if it's sluggish for you. It's been super-slow for me lately.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 07:09 PM (asXVI)

11 Saw Army of Darkness while in college. Loved every minute of it. It was every Saturday night D&D session combined into a single event...Also, the chemistry textbook he used in that movie was the exact same chemistry textbook I used!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 16, 2021 07:10 PM (K5n5d)

12 Sadly, Deer Head's movie career fizzled after Evil Dead II leaving him with only bit parts in commercials and a George Harrison music video.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 16, 2021 07:10 PM (VxC1e)

13 I'm not loving Rich's rankings. Heh.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 07:09 PM (asXVI)
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Even Rich admits they are controversial and based on feels.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at October 16, 2021 07:11 PM (Dc2NZ)

14 ||Even Rich admits they are controversial and based on feels.||

The most honest thing any film critic ever said.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 07:12 PM (asXVI)

15 3 Em-dashes.

The blog hates em-dashes.

But I =love= em-dashes.
Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 07:01 PM (asXVI)


Hey, do you want to know how to get rid of the black diamonds?

Ask me how!

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 16, 2021 07:12 PM (Fkg1u)

16 The phrase "And maybe I'm a Chinese jet pilot" has been an oft-spoken expression in the nearly 30 years since I first saw Army of Darkness.

Posted by: PabloD, make commies fly again! at October 16, 2021 07:13 PM (8akfU)

17 OM,

I finally got the picture dimensions right!

(Last time I cheated, uploaded my preferred size but fiddled with the tags to get them right. This time I actually just kept them in the AOSHQ preferred size.)

||Hey, do you want to know how to get rid of the black diamonds?

Ask me how!||

Am I gonna end up selling Herbalife after this?

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 07:15 PM (asXVI)

18 ||leaving him with only bit parts in commercials and a George Harrison music video.||

Heh. Nice.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 07:15 PM (asXVI)

19 If that deer could talk.. probably be saying 'doe rape me'

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 07:17 PM (5VLt+)

20 I never saw that version of "The Thing." I was busy being a family man.

So, I watched "Noah" recently on Prime. What a piece of shit. So, Noah wants to let mankind die off? What kind of Environmentalist wet-dream was this?

Catholic doctrine is being spouted by Tubal-Cain? The bad-guy is saying that we are created in the image and likeness of God.

I liked it the first time I watched it when I was drunk.

Posted by: Been Lurking at October 16, 2021 07:17 PM (xopIz)

21 || Working??

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 16, 2021 07:17 PM (UHVv4)

22 The TV series Ash vs. Evil Dead was also great.

Mmmmmm, Embeth Davitz in Army of Darkness. One of my favorite actresses.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 16, 2021 07:18 PM (pTHOC)

23 No black diamonds! Woohoo!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 16, 2021 07:18 PM (UHVv4)

24 Saw this on mushrooms at a midnight movie -- laughed so hard I ached afterwards. Still a fave.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 16, 2021 07:18 PM (vuisn)

25 I find it hard given 9 of the last 13 years to take horror films seriously.

The caller is in the White House as it were.

Posted by: sven at October 16, 2021 07:18 PM (Lzpvj)

26 Apparently, the Grateful Dead were only entertaining if you were taking drugs.

Posted by: Been Lurking at October 16, 2021 07:19 PM (xopIz)

27 Would you believe there was performed at least once an unauthorized adaptation called Army of Darkness the Musical?

Well it exists. It took cheap effects right down to the sub-sub-basement. And yet I survived it.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 07:19 PM (5VLt+)

28 20 Posted by: Been Lurking at October 16, 2021 07:17 PM (xopIz)

I suspect, strongly that Noah was part of a built in hamstringing of the human condition by God.

The more successful we are the dumber we get, as in the Sierra Club so to is it in life.

Posted by: sven at October 16, 2021 07:20 PM (Lzpvj)

29 Am I gonna end up selling Herbalife after this?
Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 07:15 PM (asXVI)


Heh. I use this page here:

https://www.charset.org/html-special-characters

Paste the text into the upper window, and it will find problematic characters (mostly quotes) and convert them in the lower window. So copy the text in the lower window into the AoSHQ blogging editor.

You have to be especially careful when you're using text copied from another source, like a Word document or even just a web page from another site.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 16, 2021 07:20 PM (Fkg1u)

30 Oh oh oh, Mister Cotter.

I really loved, loved, loved "The Cabin in the Woods."

Posted by: Been Lurking at October 16, 2021 07:20 PM (xopIz)

31 29 Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 16, 2021 07:20 PM (Fkg1u)

Pixy's little unwritten rules is part of the charm here, the hamsters are jealous guardians of free thought's space after all.

Posted by: sven at October 16, 2021 07:21 PM (Lzpvj)

32 26 Apparently, the Grateful Dead were only entertaining if you were taking drugs.

Posted by: Been Lurking at October 16, 2021 07:19 PM (xopIz)


Q: What did the Deadhead say when he quit smoking weed?

A: Man, this music sucks.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 16, 2021 07:21 PM (Fkg1u)

33 I've been watching The Forgotten Battle about Market Garden on Netflix. One character, a Dutchman fighting for the SS, describes to an embittered and disillusioned SS trooper why he joined the team. He did it for social justice. His family has worked hard all their lives for peanuts and it's not fair! Someone needs to use force to make the system more fair! Plus he doesn't care for the Jews.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 16, 2021 07:21 PM (d9FiS)

34 I am currently rewatching "Cannon", God the entertainment in the 70s was so much better done than today's swill.

Posted by: sven at October 16, 2021 07:22 PM (Lzpvj)

35 One of those projects never quite started, but would have happened if I was unemployed:
An Army of Darkness diorama made with clay. I have all the supplies on my hobby-desk. The scale for the Raimi Oldsmobile couldn't be the same as Ash, so I would have to be subtle about him being too big to sit and drive.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 16, 2021 07:22 PM (ybIRR)

36 Bleg: If anyone DOES go to my blog, let me know if it's sluggish for you. It's been super-slow for me lately.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 07:09 PM (asXVI)


Seems quick enough for me. No noticeable lag times.

*Win 10, ethernet connection*

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 16, 2021 07:23 PM (F0YaR)

37 Pixy's little unwritten rules is part of the charm here, the hamsters are jealous guardians of free thought's space after all.

Posted by: sven at October 16, 2021 07:21 PM (Lzpvj)


You should see Pixy's "preview" function. It looks like absolutely *nothing* even remotely close to what you would ever see on this blog.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 16, 2021 07:23 PM (Fkg1u)

38 33 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 16, 2021 07:21 PM (d9FiS)

Schweig as Klaus says, the hidden ingredient is the government uber alles types have replaced the old designated villain with a new one the majority population of the country in question-bold strategy Cotton let's see if it pays off.

Posted by: sven at October 16, 2021 07:24 PM (Lzpvj)

39
You have to be especially careful when you're using text copied from another source, like a Word document or even just a web page from another site.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 16, 2021 07:20 PM


sometimes copying & pasting from the post on the main page has the same issues...I always scrub the text through the linux text editor (that's "notepad" for you unfortunate souls still using a windows box)

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 16, 2021 07:24 PM (DUIap)

40 You know, the thing!

Thanks, moviegique! Now I want to watch that again, and the first two Evil Deads. Also, Dead Alive. I haven't seen this stuff in many years, since the early 90s.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 16, 2021 07:24 PM (OssQ4)

41 That series about Market Garden needs to be nuked from existence. Dutch Waffen SS were just as motivated as the German Waffen SS at the start.

Now if a movie was ever made of the real behind the scenes deals the Dutch royal family did with the Nazis, Holland wouldn't have a royal family.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 07:24 PM (5VLt+)

42 37 Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 16, 2021 07:23 PM (Fkg1u)

I am waxing rhapsodic that there is a non-zero % chance the day will come we lament we did not get to keep "Horde 2.0".....

Posted by: sven at October 16, 2021 07:25 PM (Lzpvj)

43 Never seen this movie, except for maybe the last 20 minutes?

Posted by: Lizzy at October 16, 2021 07:25 PM (bDqIh)

44 ||You have to be especially careful when you're using text copied from another source, like a Word document or even just a web page from another site.||

Yeah, these are straight off the "plain text" of my blog.

||Pixy's little unwritten rules is part of the charm here||

I 'spect it's less "unwritten rules" and more "We haven't updated the blogging software since 2003."

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 07:25 PM (asXVI)

45 34 I am currently rewatching "Cannon", God the entertainment in the 70s was so much better done than today's swill.
Posted by: sven at October 16, 2021 07:22 PM (Lzpvj)


Ah, a fine Quinn-Martin Production.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 16, 2021 07:25 PM (vuisn)

46 random thoughts b4 100:

- Clint Eastwood has got f u hollywood money and can do what he pleases & I will watch it. harry callahan & bill munny, be my witnesses.

- movies (deliverance, & maybe the hills have eyes ... a host of others, too, are the reason I will not walk 50 feet from a paved road without a gun, knife, and flashlight at the barest minimum ... )

- types; deletes as not movie-relevant

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at October 16, 2021 07:26 PM (jDHSU)

47 I don't think I have seen either of the Dead movies all the way through.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at October 16, 2021 07:26 PM (OYUie)

48 44 Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 07:25 PM (asXVI)

The end result is the same, of course spoiler alery "Windows 11" while not hamstringing AMD hardware will magically make this place VR out of the gate.

Posted by: sven at October 16, 2021 07:26 PM (Lzpvj)

49 I love that "They Live" is Jay's childhood comfort movie. That explains a lot.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at October 16, 2021 07:28 PM (Dc2NZ)

50 The TV series is pretty great. The end of the first episode where he kills a demonic granny, had me hooked ironically and unironically.

https://youtu.be/J5qTXOqE7gM

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 16, 2021 07:28 PM (ybIRR)

51 Roy Schoeman talks about Pope Pius (?) and the Nazies.

C'mon man. In 1943, all of Europe thought that the Germans would rule for a hundred years. Of course the Pope couldn't piss off Hitler. He had to work quietly. He could not excommunicate him publicly.

Posted by: Been Lurking at October 16, 2021 07:28 PM (xopIz)

52 Went to your blog to read up on Juliette Landau. It seemed to load without a glitch.

And Juliette is striking in appearance. She lucked out in the genes department considering she's the off-spring of a Lurch face and a marshmallow face.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 07:28 PM (5VLt+)

53 In six days, on October 22...

THE SPICE MUST FLOW!!!

Posted by: Cow Demon - Free Australia! at October 16, 2021 07:29 PM (y2DWb)

54 45 Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 16, 2021 07:25 PM (vuisn)

The Barnaby Jones crossover was elegantly done pretty much the only Barnaby episodes I liked.

CANNON-The Case of the Diabolic Dishwasher

I practiced the voices for my budding voice talent collection as a youth.

Posted by: sven at October 16, 2021 07:29 PM (Lzpvj)

55 Sometimes when I quote some other blog here, and Pixy won't accept it, even after I've replaced all the punctuation, including elipses, manually? I just paste in the paragraph I want, and use it to type the whole thing myself, then delete the pasted section.

I think there are even invisible "special characters", like double spaces.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 16, 2021 07:29 PM (OssQ4)

56 Probably already covered but, S-Mart. Hunting/fishing license and ammo cheap.

Posted by: Eromero at October 16, 2021 07:30 PM (0OP+5)

57 Pixy's a bitch. I have tried "pasting as plain text" and it still gets rejected.

Posted by: Been Lurking at October 16, 2021 07:31 PM (xopIz)

58
I think there are even invisible "special characters", like double spaces.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 16, 2021 07:29 PM


often, it's the punctuation marks in the copied text

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 16, 2021 07:31 PM (DUIap)

59
In six days, on October 22...

THE SPICE MUST FLOW!!!
Posted by: Cow Demon - Free Australia!


Pumpkin spice

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 16, 2021 07:31 PM (63Dwl)

60 57 Posted by: Been Lurking at October 16, 2021 07:31 PM (xopIz)

Part of the charm, we could all go to twatter I suppose and help Neo-Rasputin buy another election board.

Posted by: sven at October 16, 2021 07:31 PM (Lzpvj)

61 56 Probably already covered but, S-Mart. Hunting/fishing license and ammo cheap.
Posted by: Eromero at October 16, 2021 07:30 PM (0OP+5)

THAT'S RIGHT! SHOP SMART! SHOP S-MART!!! YOU GOT THAT???????

Posted by: Cow Demon - Free Australia! at October 16, 2021 07:32 PM (y2DWb)

62
often, it's the punctuation marks in the copied text
Posted by: AltonJackson


Those darn quotes and apostrophes!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 16, 2021 07:32 PM (63Dwl)

63 I am currently rewatching "Cannon", God the entertainment in the 70s was so much better done than today's swill.
------------------------
Just watched a great ending to the Columbo!

Yeah, the darker moustache was nothing.

I now think it was in the IMDB spoilers section because it discusses the moustache being darker during the killing when the whole point of the Columbo series is that you know WHO did it -- it's about how the viewer-known murderer is caught so there's no point to it having spoilers about the murderer's identity!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 16, 2021 07:32 PM (UHVv4)

64 I watched the John Wick trilogy (er, rewatched) in anticipation of my first foray to an actual theater in years. They are free on Peacock TV, though there are ads and you have to register... Meh. Life is full of choices.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 16, 2021 07:33 PM (F0YaR)

65 Sometimes when I quote some other blog here, and Pixy won't accept it, even after I've replaced all the punctuation, including elipses, manually? I just paste in the paragraph I want, and use it to type the whole thing myself, then delete the pasted section.

I think there are even invisible "special characters", like double spaces.
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 16, 2021 07:29 PM (OssQ4)



One word: https://www.charset.org/html-special-characters

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at October 16, 2021 07:33 PM (OYUie)

66 The Pope, only being guarded by the Swiss Guard and Fascist restraint would still hold Mass that Germans stationed in Italy would attend. And the Pope would speak out against the Nazis.

But at the same time, the Vatican if the Nazis and Fascists had decided the headache got too big and could live with the downside would have still crushed the place.

How much Truth to Power can you speak? That was what the Pope was doing, talk about high stakes gambling.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 07:33 PM (5VLt+)

67 Bleg: If anyone DOES go to my blog, let me know if it's sluggish for you. It's been super-slow for me lately.
Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 07:09 PM (asXVI)


Seems fine. I thought for sure Cry Macho was going to be a Grand Torino remake with Mexicans.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 16, 2021 07:34 PM (4thlk)

68 Spice?

We've secretly replaced their pumpkin spice with the offal of giant alien sandworms.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 07:34 PM (5VLt+)

69 63 Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 16, 2021 07:32 PM (UHVv4)

Yes a true procedural as it were, my parents both raged about Columbo telling you who the killer was God rest mom's soul never quite grasping that the point was about how he nailed 'em not whether he caught them.

Posted by: sven at October 16, 2021 07:35 PM (Lzpvj)

70 I have already pasted something then retyping it erasing the original paste. Sometimes you only need to do 1/2.

Posted by: Skip at October 16, 2021 07:35 PM (2JoB8)

71 Willowed comment from the chess thread. I only post it because I think it is funny.

They give 5 points for an A in and Advanced Placement class.

I will never forget this story. The Band Class teacher is touting about how his students are the best at academia.

A really smart kid says "But sir, I am getting 5 points on all of my other classes (btw the kid is really smart and hardworking) but I can only get 4 in Band. This class is lowering my GPA."

Posted by: Been Lurking at October 16, 2021 07:36 PM (xopIz)

72 If you don't like rape scenes in horror movies then you'd hate The Entity. Creepy as fuck no pun intended.

Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 07:36 PM (2DOZq)

73 Thanks, GnuBreed and Anna Puma. Must just be back-end stuff.

||"Windows 11" while not hamstringing AMD hardware will magically make this place VR out of the gate.||

Gonna hafta fact check that one.

Not sure how we end up talking Nazi Danes, but Verhoeven's "Black Book" is a not very flattering look at the Dutch (not Danes) acceptance of Nazis.

||And Juliette is striking in appearance. She lucked out in the genes department considering she's the off-spring of a Lurch face and a marshmallow face.||

Right?

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 07:36 PM (asXVI)

74 Tried to watch Cry Macho last night but couldn't make it past Dwight Yokum. The only thing I resented more than Eastwood making the same damned forlorn cowboy move again was him joining the band of conmen that keep trying to tell us Yokum is an actor.

Posted by: OleanderSalad at October 16, 2021 07:37 PM (qTq4x)

75 Will worm world be any more explanatory?

Posted by: Skip at October 16, 2021 07:37 PM (2JoB8)

76 o happy man, eromero !

still need to do that soon ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at October 16, 2021 07:38 PM (jDHSU)

77 How to get the Herberts mad at you? Mention the Dorsai series and how the specializations were in that before any book about Arrakis.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 07:39 PM (5VLt+)

78 I recommend Free Guy for a relaxing feel good movie. Combination of Tron, Lego movie and The Matrix.

Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 07:39 PM (2DOZq)

79 73 Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 07:36 PM (asXVI)

It'll read the 2003 code and magically upgrade it.

I think things drifted to the "Brave Brave EUtopian Resistance in film" because well that imagery has unfortunately been invoked a lot by some idiots here in the states.

The reality is the resistance had a wild surge in purported membership right around Jun 6th 1944 and not a second earlier.

Posted by: sven at October 16, 2021 07:39 PM (Lzpvj)

80 I love the heck out of this move, as well as the remake/reboot/sequel whatever you want to call it. This is one of the few horror movies that really hit me - and I'm not a fan of the genre. He did improve on certain scenes in ED2, but also lost a bit. I really loved the part where Ash is coming unglued, the camera movements and inanimate objects, ticking clock - just brilliant stuff on a shoestring budget. And the first mention of fake Shemp! #2 was certainly more camp, and they had an extra $47 to work with.

I can't believe - it seems like I just rewatched #1 and #2, but it was last year for Halloween. Man, time flies. I'm a Bruce Campbell fan, he's terribly terrible and always fun to watch. I own all 3 of the trilogy, but never saw the TV series (Netflix can go you-know-what).

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at October 16, 2021 07:39 PM (wAnMi)

81 78 Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 07:39 PM (2DOZq)

as well as a sprinkling of "Stranger than Fiction", in the end Free Guy is probably the best film of this year and possibly the young decade.

Posted by: sven at October 16, 2021 07:40 PM (Lzpvj)

82 Posted by: OleanderSalad at October 16, 2021 07:37 PM (qTq4x)

You must not have seen Sling Blade.

Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 07:40 PM (2DOZq)

83 I agree with you , Movigique, on rape scenes as entertainment. (Except in Goldfinger).
But this scene was both horrifying, right down to the sound effects, and perfectly justified in plot terms. Raimi shouldn't disown it. There's nothing prurient or titillating about it.

Posted by: ogmrobvious at October 16, 2021 07:40 PM (zHgrl)

84 ||Seems fine. I thought for sure Cry Macho was going to be a Grand Torino remake with Mexicans.||

Thanks for checking. "Gran Torino But With Mexicans" is a guaranteed ticket sale for me. It's also not "Every Which Way But Loose" but with a rooster. You can't always get what you want.

||you'd hate The Entity||

I did, in fact, hate "The Entity". You can't even give it points for Barbara Hershey boobs, 'cause they were literally plastic prosthetics so they could the special effects.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 07:41 PM (asXVI)

85 Raimi said that he wants every moment Ash is on the screen to be painful for one of a million reasons. He is a great character for asserting the genre. Ash is an awful no good low-life in every aspect except fighting evil. He is a great man, for one reason and despite all others. Similar to Bond without the wish-fulfillment.

The Army of Darkness soundtrack is epic.

Soundtrack by Joseph Loduca
https://youtu.be/7A4aswBuDEo

Featuring Danny Elfman
https://youtu.be/uNZuOYBtwKA

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 16, 2021 07:41 PM (ybIRR)

86 Tried to watch Cry Macho last night but couldn't make it past Dwight Yokum. The only thing I resented more than Eastwood making the same damned forlorn cowboy move again was him joining the band of conmen that keep trying to tell us Yokum is an actor.

Posted by: OleanderSalad at October 16, 2021 07:37 PM (qTq4x)


Lol. I think I watched another of his flicks... he sucked.

Just cuz you got the twang don't mean you got the thang (acting chops).

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 16, 2021 07:41 PM (F0YaR)

87 76 o happy man, eromero !

still need to do that soon ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at October 16, 2021 07:38 PM
Sock, we Eromeros don't have this year's license yet cause we is procrastinators. But we been feeding corn all year and have both deer and hogs. And since we have no S-Mart we get our license at Atwoods.

Posted by: Eromero at October 16, 2021 07:42 PM (0OP+5)

88 Come up and see sometime.

Posted by: Em Dasch at October 16, 2021 07:43 PM (zHgrl)

89 Sling Blade?

Well we can be thankful for one thing. It seems Billy Bob Thornton has vanished.

As for the movie, yeech. It was just painful.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 07:43 PM (5VLt+)

90 I see The Batman trailer is out. Meh, looks even darker than the Nolan ones. I'll pass.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 16, 2021 07:43 PM (4thlk)

91 You must not have seen Sling Blade.

Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 07:40 PM (2DOZq)


Yokum was excellent as the lawn mower blade.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 16, 2021 07:43 PM (F0YaR)

92 huh ... up here among the cows&corn, on a snowy winter morning I hear the big stainless steel tanker trucks downshifting for the hill and think "The Milk Must Flow".

*muted lol*
*pours a nother shot of cheap brandy in anticipation of WI winter*

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at October 16, 2021 07:44 PM (jDHSU)

93 Never saw Evil Dead but saw Army of Darkness. Loved it! I have watched it a million times and still laugh. My family can recite the dialog, it's become a family joke.

Posted by: megthered at October 16, 2021 07:44 PM (vvWGB)

94 You must not have seen Sling Blade.

Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 07:40 PM (2DOZq)

Yokum was excellent as the lawn mower blade.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 16, 2021 07:43 PM (F0YaR)

We don't need to practice, Randy!

Posted by: weirdflunky at October 16, 2021 07:45 PM (cknjq)

95 okay, thanks for that, yuge procrastinator here, too ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at October 16, 2021 07:45 PM (jDHSU)

96 You didn't recite the words correctly did you?

The mummy, he went out for a little walk.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 07:45 PM (5VLt+)

97 I've had two cut & pastes that I redid in plain text from Notepad; ran through Pixy or whoever's cut & paste thingamabob; replaced all specialist characters [smart quotes and single quotes/apostrophes; ellipses; em and en dashes; I even redid the question marks in case that was the offending punctuation!] and they still wouldn't paste, throwing me into a rage [thanks lockdowns for improving my mental health ] despite doing everything right!!

I wonder if there wasn't some code still buried in the cut & pastes despite the Notepadding but I have no IT knowledge at all to speculate.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 16, 2021 07:46 PM (UHVv4)

98 Good night my old friends. I changed my nic. I am JAS, AoSHQ, addict. But a couple of days ago, in the morning crew, I thought "Been Lurking" was a nice handle. So. Take care. Pray out loud in your private room. Blaise Pascal highly recommends audible prayer, because you humble yourself to do it. Yeah. LOL. Aren't we all heretics in some way? Jesus lets it go. Good night.

Posted by: Been Lurking at October 16, 2021 07:46 PM (xopIz)

99 For those of you who can't get past Dwight Yoakam in Cry Macho, all I can say is: He's pretty much gone after the first 15 minutes. There are two short phone calls after Eastwood heads for Mexico.

Trace Adkins in "Old Henry" is probably a better bet for all your CW-star-turned-actor needs.

||Ash is an awful no good low-life in every aspect except fighting evil.||

I think that's a character evolution. He had nowhere near that much personality in the first film. He wants to keep his girlfriend safe while his friend is ready to bail out, and he protests burying Shelly because "she's our friend". The only moments of decency in the film once the SHTF.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 07:46 PM (asXVI)

100 though I did finally score some (driblets of) rifle ammo, so I could go out and annoy the deer ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at October 16, 2021 07:47 PM (jDHSU)

101 You're the King Of Jack Shit and Jack just left town.

Posted by: weirdflunky at October 16, 2021 07:47 PM (cknjq)

102 Just finished the series Person of Interest. Outstanding. Also not a movie, so ban me!

Posted by: Sharkman at October 16, 2021 07:47 PM (pTHOC)

103 Bubba Ho-Tep, a guy who thinks he is Elvis saves the world from a mummy wearing Stevie Ray Vaughn's hat.

Yeah a really great movie.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 07:47 PM (5VLt+)

104 I watched Upgrade today. Guy in auto accident who ended up a quad implanted with an AI chip ( STEM) that allowed him to have super powers. The guys who set up accident killed his wife and he spends movie hunting them down. Twisty ending. Rotten tomatoes gave it 80%. I'm at 50%.

Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 07:47 PM (2DOZq)

105 I recommend Free Guy for a relaxing feel good movie. Combination of Tron, Lego movie and The Matrix.
Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 07:39 PM (2DOZq)



It is a cute love story.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at October 16, 2021 07:47 PM (OYUie)

106 Apparently, the Grateful Dead were only entertaining if you were taking drugs.
Posted by: Been Lurking at October 16, 2021 07:19 PM (xopIz)
Q: What did the Deadhead say when he quit smoking weed?
A: Man, this music sucks.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 16, 2021 07:21 PM (Fkg1u)


I've lived in the SF Bay Area my whole life. Many friends in HS and college were huge dead heads. I never liked the stuff. "Oh, but you really need to see them live! Their music needs to be appreciated in a spontaneous setting! The studio stuff is so lifeless..." Ok, I'll admit some of the hippy chicks were cute. So, I went. Not once, not twice, but probably half a dozen times. Even a coveted New Years Eve show - all at Winterland, their home port. Not gonna lie, I hated every moment of it. And learned to hate space-dancing hippy chicks on orange sunshine. If the band wasn't tripping balls, they were sorta competent. But the feel good 1 hour endless jams are intolerable. Somewhere there's a banner hanging in an old hippy commune that reads: 89471 Days Since Last Dark Star (you'd get it if you saw *any* show at Winterland).

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at October 16, 2021 07:48 PM (wAnMi)

107 Watched Blade Runner again last night and was reminded how much I hate that movie.

Posted by: soulpile at October 16, 2021 07:50 PM (hiX0r)

108 #97 Although I'd add that it's just been two out of, probably, literally thousands of cut & pastes I've done here over this year.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 16, 2021 07:50 PM (UHVv4)

109 Not a deadhead either. Rather hear Michael Franks sing 'I love Lucy'.

Posted by: Eromero at October 16, 2021 07:50 PM (0OP+5)

110 Going to rent movie tonight. Choices Stillwater, Old, The Green Knight or Pig.

Any recommendation?

Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 07:50 PM (2DOZq)

111 The original Blade Runner has become the modern Metropolis in how many versions exists.

Did you watch the Work Print, US release, international release, Director's Cut, or the Final Cut?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 07:52 PM (5VLt+)

112 Any recommendation?
Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 07:50 PM (2DOZq)


Pig!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at October 16, 2021 07:52 PM (Dc2NZ)

113 Watched Blade Runner again last night and was reminded how much I hate that movie.

Posted by: soulpile at October 16, 2021 07:50 PM (hiX0r)


I see ace is posting from a guest ISP.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 16, 2021 07:53 PM (F0YaR)

114 Never saw Evil Dead but saw Army of Darkness. Loved it! I have watched it a million times and still laugh. My family can recite the dialog, it's become a family joke.
Posted by: megthered at October 16, 2021 07:44 PM (vvWGB)


I *hate* horror movies for the most part. The first Evil Dead is meant to be a horror movie, and succeeds quite well with brilliant cinematography and so many new and fresh ideas for the time. For some reason, Rami decided to do a new version of that film, and decidedly shot for camp like Army of Darkness. Even though there are some literal scene-for-scene reshoots (or even just scenes reused) it works on a different level entirely. I love both of them.

If you like Army Of Darkness, go for ED2 first. You'll find out how Ash lost his hand (seriously brilliant scenes) and how he wound up in the past. Then, for the "teens in a cabin in the woods by themselves" horrorfest, watch #1. Most funny parts are unintentional.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at October 16, 2021 07:53 PM (wAnMi)

115 QM

For a while there it seemed like all that showed up on television were test patterns and QM productions. Always nicely done, as I recall it -- watchable, not dull, well cast. But I'm bleeped if I can remember much about any of 'em.

Except THE FUGITIVE. One of the best series ever, and still a pleasure to see. Everybody involved bought their way into heaven with that one.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 16, 2021 07:53 PM (JzDjf)

116 ||Stillwater, Old, The Green Knight or Pig||

Of these four, I've only seen "Pig" and would recommend.

"Old" is almost certainly awful. If you have a Shyamalan fetish it might be interesting on that level.

"Stillwater" looks to me like the new blackface--when Hollywood pretends it gets people who actually work for a living and believe in Jesus and what-have-you. (See "Eyes of Tammy Faye", e.g.)

"The Green Knight" I noped out on because, yeah, Devon Sawa is a fine actor but it's cultural appropriation. Which I wouldn't gaf about except it's exclusively allowed one way.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 07:53 PM (asXVI)

117 The book was good, but weird. Philip K. Dick was crazy.

Posted by: Been Lurking at October 16, 2021 07:53 PM (xopIz)

118 How about The Old Green Knight is a Pig?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 07:54 PM (5VLt+)

119 Watched Blade Runner again last night and was reminded how much I hate that movie.
Posted by: soulpile at October 16, 2021 07:50 PM (hiX0r)

I hate every Harrison Ford movie.

Posted by: Harrison Ford at October 16, 2021 07:54 PM (ybIRR)

120 huh ... up here among the cows&corn, on a snowy winter morning I hear the big stainless steel tanker trucks downshifting for the hill and think "The Milk Must Flow".
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Here, after the leaves have dropped, and the air turns cold, I occasionally hear diesels using the jake brake on I-26, a mile or so away. I can also occasionally hear a Norfolk & Southern locomotive sounding a chime whistle as it wends down the French Broad valley.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 16, 2021 07:54 PM (PzWA/)

121 I'm'a just do a thumbs-up for the dead, personally, w/o any arguments about whatever ...

"de gustibus non est disputandem", amirite ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at October 16, 2021 07:54 PM (jDHSU)

122 Klatuu Barrada N(cough*cough*cough)

Late to the thread, but have started my Halloween viewing. Came across a recent movie on Roku called The Toll. Not bloody, but creepy like I like them. Low budget but a great twist at the end.

Posted by: Blutarski at October 16, 2021 07:55 PM (rz+/y)

123 Sling Blade?

Well we can be thankful for one thing. It seems Billy Bob Thornton has vanished.

As for the movie, yeech. It was just painful.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 07:43 PM (5V

I thought it was excellent. That's what makes the world go round.

Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 07:55 PM (2DOZq)

124 And a dessert topping!

Are You Depressed? The COVID Booster Shot Might Help You

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 16, 2021 07:56 PM (d9FiS)

125 Now Blade Runner 2049 is a stinking steaming pile of feldergarp that passed through a Bantha.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 07:57 PM (5VLt+)

126 Pig it is.

Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 07:57 PM (2DOZq)

127 Not a fan of Cabin In The Woods, but very much so of Dale and Whatever Vs. Evil

Posted by: ogmrobvious at October 16, 2021 07:57 PM (zHgrl)

128 Watched Blade Runner again last night and was reminded how much I hate that movie.
Posted by: soulpile
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[cries tears, in the rain...]

Posted by: Roy Batty at October 16, 2021 07:58 PM (Ve6n5)

129 "Evil Dead" is sort of like "Mad Max" in the sense that each movie in the trilogy is not really aimed at the same audience.

MM1 => Death Wish
MM2 => Smokey and the Bandit
MM3 => Escape from New York

(rough movie analogies)

"Evil Dead 1" is straight up horror (with accidental camp). "Evil Dead 2" is horror comedy, just tonally completely different from the earnestness of ED1. "Army of Darkness" is more or less a straight fantasy action picture.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 07:58 PM (asXVI)

130
to make good on the promises of the '70s exploitation horrors (which often were quite dull and almost always ploddingly pedestrian in their presentation)


A common backstory of those '70s exploitation horror films is that they were made by industrial filmmakers with no real filmmaking talent, combined with delusions of Hollywood stardom. That's one of the reasons I love the first three Romero Dead films. He's objectively a shitty filmmaker who made shitty films, but he had ONE great idea: the classic Romero Zombie. That idea shined through, regardless of the shitty filmmaking.

Dawn of the Dead is still one of my favorite films, but I'm under no illusions that it's good filmmaking. It's not.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 16, 2021 07:58 PM (gbfHZ)

131 Hey, do you want to know how to get rid of the black diamonds?
Ask me how!
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 16, 2021 07:12 PM (Fkg1u)

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I know you are talking about creating the post, but for those who would like to make it more viewable at this point, set your browser to use Western character encoding instead of Unicode. It will remove the black diamonds.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 16, 2021 07:59 PM (hVqGz)

132 Movie thread!
So we watched Shang chi and the 10 rings coz KTE wanted to see it.
It was better than I expected - like a kung fu movie, which we watch a lot of.
The sidekick played by Awkwafina was ok the comic relief. Main character actors were kinda bleh.

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 16, 2021 07:59 PM (YZG/i)

133 Watched Blade Runner again last night and was reminded how much I hate that movie.
Posted by: soulpile at October 16, 2021 07:50 PM (hiX0r)


I liked it fine when it came out - but have never come to worship it. There really was some gorgeous cinematography, and some interesting ideas. Vangelis score fit well and was unique for the time. But meh. Don't hate it but don't go out of my way to rewatch either. I think maybe one redeeming factor was back in the day (1982?) showing a gritty, dirty, scary and heartless dystopian future was a fresh take. Now it looks like I wish San Francisco did.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at October 16, 2021 07:59 PM (wAnMi)

134 only thing that I miss about northern illinois vs the driftless is the distant (or not so distant) railroad sounds out of the darkness in the early hours that I could hear ... la la la la life goes on ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at October 16, 2021 07:59 PM (jDHSU)

135 Original Bladerunner. Because re-makes are not improvements on originals.

Posted by: Eromero at October 16, 2021 08:00 PM (0OP+5)

136 Tucker and Dale vs. Evil.

A classic.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 16, 2021 08:00 PM (pTHOC)

137 Just finished the series Person of Interest. Outstanding. Also not a movie, so ban me!
Posted by: Sharkman at October 16, 2021 07:47 PM (pTHOC)
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One of my favorite series of all time. If someone created an AI, how would it manifest itself? Would it seek to help, harm, or control humanity?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 16, 2021 08:00 PM (K5n5d)

138 Lesbian Vampire Killers is also a fun movie.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 16, 2021 08:01 PM (pTHOC)

139 Because re-makes are not improvements on originals.
Posted by: Eromero
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This.

I *might* give some thought to 'True Grit'. Might.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 16, 2021 08:01 PM (Ve6n5)

140 When I was 12 years old I watched The Thing on HBO when my parents left me home alone to go out to dinner. It taught me to never watch horror movies when I was home alone.

Posted by: NC Ref at October 16, 2021 08:01 PM (we2l3)

141 When Ben and Jerry's came out with Cherry Garcia, I was almost certain that The Grateful Dead had finally hit the big-time!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at October 16, 2021 08:01 PM (5l6FZ)

142 Hey, do you want to know how to get rid of the black diamonds?
Ask me how!
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at October 16, 2021 07:12 PM (Fkg1u)

++++

I know you are talking about creating the post, but for those who would like to make it more viewable at this point, set your browser to use Western character encoding instead of Unicode. It will remove the black diamonds.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 16, 2021 07:59 PM (hVqGz)


Easy way: https://stoatnet.org/ace/
Hogmartin's world famous, award winning quote unfucker.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at October 16, 2021 08:01 PM (wAnMi)

143 Movie trivia time, name the movie that saw Hammer team up with the Shaw Brothers?

Legend of the Seven Golden Vampires.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 08:01 PM (5VLt+)

144 Did you watch the Work Print, US release, international release, Director's Cut, or the Final Cut?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 07:52 PM (5VLt+)

Final Cut this time. I've also seen the Director's Cut and the US release... possibly the international at some point. (Why? I have no clue why I've seen it so many times... either someone else wants to see it or I just wanted to see if I really hated it *this* time). There is no good cut of that steaming shit pile. The only good thing in it is Rutger Hauer, but that's only because I'm biased towards his work in general.

I can't believe they made a sequel and it's even WORSE. How? How is that possible?

Posted by: soulpile at October 16, 2021 08:01 PM (hiX0r)

145 I liked Person of Interest.

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 16, 2021 08:01 PM (YZG/i)

146 I dunno.

I've been to a few Dead shows. Enjoyed the music and the dancing and the atmosphere. Yes, I was high. But it was freeing and fun and I felt safe. And it was groovy.

I still wear Birkenstocks. And sometimes with rag wool socks.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 08:02 PM (U2p+3)

147 I see ace is posting from a guest ISP.
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I understood that reference.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 16, 2021 08:02 PM (UHVv4)

148
Rather hear Michael Franks sing 'I love Lucy'.

Posted by: Eromero at October 16, 2021 07:50 PM


Michael Franks' version of I Bought You A Plastic Star For Your Aluminum Tree is on my very short list of acceptable christmas music

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 16, 2021 08:02 PM (DUIap)

149 A good humorous zombie movie that no one talks about is The Scouts Guide to the Zombie Apocalypse .

Also saw the sequel to Zombieland. Better than I expected.

Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 08:02 PM (2DOZq)

150 111 The original Blade Runner has become the modern Metropolis in how many versions exists.

Did you watch the Work Print, US release, international release, Director's Cut, or the Final Cut?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 07:52 PM (5VLt+)

Gotta be a Pumpkin Spice Variant by now.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 16, 2021 08:02 PM (vuisn)

151 You people are savages! I'd flounce, but I'm watching two halfway house video geeks rate John Carpenter movies.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at October 16, 2021 08:02 PM (Dc2NZ)

152 good on you, nurse !

and thanks, clutch, i was looking for that link to post !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at October 16, 2021 08:04 PM (jDHSU)

153 When I was 12 years old I watched The Thing on HBO when my parents left me home alone to go out to dinner. It taught me to never watch horror movies when I was home alone.
Posted by: NC Ref

The morning after I'd seen it in the theater, I was showering early. I was groggy and thinking about the scene where the guy's head becomes a spider like thing. I was mindlessly sudsing up when I reached for a wash rag and a SPIDER dropped down. I jumped so far I think I landed in the next county.

Posted by: Blutarski at October 16, 2021 08:04 PM (rz+/y)

154 Rutger Hauer in 'Blind Fury', was the name? That was good.

Posted by: Eromero at October 16, 2021 08:04 PM (0OP+5)

155 I am not a savage!

I am a bio-mechanical neko-grrl! How dare you insult me!

Nyah!

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 08:05 PM (5VLt+)

156 the Vangelis score was excellent

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at October 16, 2021 08:05 PM (jDHSU)

157 I can also occasionally hear a Norfolk & Southern locomotive sounding a chime whistle as it wends down the French Broad valley.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 16, 2021 07:54 PM (PzWA/)



The last (and only time in the last 20ish yrs) time I rode Amtrak I helped a neighbor move from NC back to New Jersey. Drove the truck up and rode the train home. Happened to hang out with a N&S logistical dude for most of the ride home we had a really interesting chat. For me, at least.

Posted by: NC Ref at October 16, 2021 08:05 PM (we2l3)

158 Rutger Hauer in 'Blind Fury', was the name? That was good.
Posted by: Eromero at October 16, 2021 08:04 PM (0OP+5)

He was in one of the first Robert Ludlum movies too. The Osterman Weekend.

Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 08:06 PM (2DOZq)

159 Rutger Hauer was also terrific in 'Nighthawks.' Well worth a look even if you don't like Stallone.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 16, 2021 08:06 PM (JzDjf)

160 ||Dawn of the Dead is still one of my favorite films, but I'm under no illusions that it's good filmmaking. It's not.||

Good. Bad. I'm the one with the camera.

'course, I've hashed out the REMAKE IS NEVER BETTER canard so many times, I'm probably on a list somewhere, but it's just not true.

Remakes usually suck? Sure. Sturgeon's Law applies: 80% of everything is sh*t.

But a remake can not only be better, it can completely wipe out the memory of the earlier film, so people don't even THINK about it when thinking of remakes. Like "Wizard of Oz", "Maltese Falcon".

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 08:06 PM (asXVI)

161 137 Just finished the series Person of Interest. Outstanding. Also not a movie, so ban me!
Posted by: Sharkman at October 16, 2021 07:47 PM (pTHOC)
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One of my favorite series of all time. If someone created an AI, how would it manifest itself? Would it seek to help, harm, or control humanity?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 16, 2021 08:00 PM (K5n5d)

I'm like a broken record with this series; it's one of my all-time favorites. I'm re-watching it with my family, and I just finished S1. It went from a standard procedural (with a twist) to something special very quickly; I think that after E3 it went much deeper for me. I love all the performances, and nothing is wasted. My only regret is that S5 was truncated, and it didn't flow quite the way it would have if they did 23 episodes. Still, an amazing series. Absolutely love it.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 16, 2021 08:06 PM (mdjgu)

162 [cries tears, in the rain...]
Posted by: Roy Batty at October 16, 2021 07:58 PM (Ve6n5)

Literally the best part of the film.

I think the thing that pisses me off the most is how revered the whole thing became. It's just not that great. It's an arty-farty film.

Posted by: soulpile at October 16, 2021 08:06 PM (hiX0r)

163 Bubba Ho-Tep, a guy who thinks he is Elvis saves the world from a mummy wearing Stevie Ray Vaughn's hat.
Yeah a really great movie.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 07:47 PM (5VLt+)


Totally underrated, I love it. Completely reeled me in. I think the only part that seemed a bit forced/unnecessary was the whole infected dick thing. Not really sure why they felt that was worth all the work for basically a payoff with a nurse towards the end. I really did come away believing it was Elvis and JFK.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at October 16, 2021 08:07 PM (wAnMi)

164 *ducks down to escape Puma Sister gunfire*

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at October 16, 2021 08:07 PM (jDHSU)

165 148
Rather hear Michael Franks sing 'I love Lucy'.

Posted by: Eromero at October 16, 2021 07:50 PM

Michael Franks' version of I Bought You A Plastic Star For Your Aluminum Tree is on my very short list of acceptable christmas music

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 16, 2021 08:02 PM
Turned on a fellow officer to 'Popcicle Toes' today. He really liked it.

Posted by: Eromero at October 16, 2021 08:07 PM (0OP+5)

166 *while keeping an eye out to see if they dance first !*

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at October 16, 2021 08:08 PM (jDHSU)

167 I was going through the Sam Raimi movies to see which ones I watched. Not many but I was shocked to see he directed "For the Love of the Game". My God was that bad. I wonder what possessed him to do that.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 16, 2021 08:08 PM (4thlk)

168 Rutger Hauer was also terrific in 'Nighthawks.' Well worth a look even if you don't like Stallone.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 16, 2021 08:06 PM (JzDjf)

Yes he was. But he was also in Flesh and Blood which Rotten Tomatoes gave 86% . I gave it 6%. Still don't get it.

Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 08:09 PM (2DOZq)

169 Easy way: https://stoatnet.org/ace/
Hogmartin's world famous, award winning quote unfucker.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at October 16, 2021 08:01 PM (wAnMi)

++++

That looks good for commenting. But, I am talking about *viewing*. As in how you can read this post that is already here minus the black diamonds. Just go to View | Character Encoding, and select Western, instead of the default Unicode. At least with my browser. Yours may have a different menu location.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 16, 2021 08:10 PM (hVqGz)

170 My only regret is that S5 was truncated, and it didn't flow quite the way it would have if they did 23 episodes. Still, an amazing series. Absolutely love it.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 16, 2021 08:06 PM (mdjgu)
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I dunno, sometimes when they only have a half-season, they can really pack in the good stuff because they don't have to worry about "filler" episodes. Though filler episodes do give the showrunners the ability to fill in backstory or add details to the world...So there is a trade-off, I suppose.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 16, 2021 08:10 PM (K5n5d)

171 AI movies?

Forbin Project, 2001:A Space Odyssey and AI. Just off the top of my head.

Adolescence of P-1 and I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream are literary AIs along with HAL9000.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 08:10 PM (5VLt+)

172 I see ace is posting from a guest ISP.
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I understood that reference.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 16, 2021 08:02 PM (UHVv4)


:grins:

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 16, 2021 08:10 PM (F0YaR)

173 Posted by: Eromero at October 16, 2021 08:07 PM (0OP+5

Blue Pacific is a favorite album of mine.

Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 08:10 PM (2DOZq)

174 ||Also saw the sequel to Zombieland. Better than I expected.||

Weirdly, that review on my site, and the Rambo: Last Blood, about the same time? They got, like, 40K hits in a week. I assume a bot went crazy, but it was weird.

||The original Blade Runner has become the modern Metropolis in how many versions exists.||

The original Metropolis was brutalized on and after release. It took 80 years to get what we have back. We have umpteen cuts of Blade Runner because Ridley Scott can't make up his damn mind, and also because he's really excited about a movie he didn't make.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 08:11 PM (asXVI)

175 I think the thing that pisses me off the most is how revered the whole thing became. It's just not that great. It's an arty-farty film.
Posted by: soulpile at October 16, 2021 08:06 PM (hiX0r)
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I tend to agree that BR is somewhat overrated as a film. As an artifact of the filmmakers' art, I suppose it has value. As a great story, well, I think I prefer the book...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 16, 2021 08:12 PM (K5n5d)

176 Just finished the series Person of Interest. Outstanding. Also not a movie, so ban me!
Posted by: Sharkman at October 16, 2021 07:47 PM (pTHOC)
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One of my favorite series of all time. If someone created an AI, how would it manifest itself? Would it seek to help, harm, or control humanity?


None of the above.

Much of the AI is purpose driven, it must have a solution that is supposed to be computed. Sentience is not possible.

Also you get a time-travel paradox. The whole idea of Person of Interest was to predict the future so that interventions might take place. If the intervention is successful, it will go against the training data resulting in broken correlations, thus corrupting the system.

That is, if A is predicted based on parameters B...Z, and then in interdiction takes place based on this future knowledge, then the results of B..Z are altered decaying the prediction correlations.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at October 16, 2021 08:12 PM (+LCoQ)

177 Blade Runner got the Chinese takeover of the world right?

Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 08:13 PM (2DOZq)

178 Rutger Hauer was also terrific in 'Nighthawks.' Well worth a look even if you don't like Stallone.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 16, 2021 08:06 PM (JzDjf)


Keith Emerson doing the soundtrack gives it another half star.

Speaking of Stallone, I just watched Judge Dredd again. Guilty pleasure. The best part? Casting. They hired a bunch of sub 5' actors to play cadets in one scene, and it's a lesson in cinematic forced perspective. If any movie reminds me of Scott of the Antarctic, this is it.

Look, you crumb bum, I'm a star. Star, star, star. I don't get a million dollars to act out of a trench. I played Miss St John the Baptist in a trench, and I played Miss Napoleon Bonaparte in a trench, and I played Miss Alexander Fleming in a furrow so if you want this scene played out of a trench, well you just get yourself a goddamn stuntman. I played Miss Galileo in a groove and I played Mrs Jesus Christ in a geological syncline, so don't...

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at October 16, 2021 08:13 PM (wAnMi)

179 I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream
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Now THAT is one of the most terrifying AIs in all of fiction (movie, book, video game, you name it...)

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 16, 2021 08:13 PM (K5n5d)

180 Except THE FUGITIVE. One of the best series ever, and still a pleasure to see. Everybody involved bought their way into heaven with that one.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 16, 2021


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My mother loved The Fugitive (though I suspect she was drawn in by David Janssen, whom she said looked just like the young Clark Gable). I was too young to appreciate the series then. Later I got to see episodes on our local PBS station, and was blown away by the quality storytelling and drama. The show was running on MeTV until recently, and I taped them from the cable and watched them. You're right about it still being a pleasure.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 16, 2021 08:13 PM (c6xtn)

181 I recently saw Raimi's "The Gift" supernatural drama.
Not bad, but feels like one of those mid-70's made-for-TV movies.
The Keanu redneck character is the only comedy part, but I think this time it was really unintentional.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 16, 2021 08:13 PM (vuisn)

182 moviegique, Metropolis is the one movie I will always watch with Mrs. E.

Posted by: Eromero at October 16, 2021 08:14 PM (0OP+5)

183 The Charlton Heston Ben-Hur proves both points.

A. a reboot can surpass the originals.
B. a reboot of such a masterpiece will look amateurish.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 08:14 PM (5VLt+)

184 They made A Star is Born four times.

Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 08:15 PM (2DOZq)

185 134 only thing that I miss about northern illinois vs the driftless is the distant (or not so distant) railroad sounds out of the darkness in the early hours that I could hear ... la la la la life goes on ...
Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at October 16, 2021 07:59 PM (jDHSU)

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I grew up about four blocks from a trainyard. I used to fall asleep to those sounds.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at October 16, 2021 08:16 PM (CAJOC)

186 Speaking of Stallone, I just watched Judge Dredd again. Guilty pleasure. The best part? Casting. They hired a bunch of sub 5' actors to play cadets in one scene, and it's a lesson in cinematic forced perspective. If any movie reminds me of Scott of the Antarctic, this is it.

Look, you crumb bum, I'm a star. Star, star, star. I don't get a million dollars to act out of a trench. I played Miss St John the Baptist in a trench, and I played Miss Napoleon Bonaparte in a trench, and I played Miss Alexander Fleming in a furrow so if you want this scene played out of a trench, well you just get yourself a goddamn stuntman. I played Miss Galileo in a groove and I played Mrs Jesus Christ in a geological syncline, so don't...

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at October 16, 2021 08:13 PM (wAnMi)

Dredd, the remake starring Karl Urban is fantastic. Very, very dark. Completely unsentimental. Well worth watching.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 16, 2021 08:16 PM (mdjgu)

187 Blade runner was good first time I saw it, probably down a peg every time after. Never saw 2049. The score is still excellent and Rutger too.

Posted by: Skip at October 16, 2021 08:16 PM (2JoB8)

188 Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 16, 2021 08:10 PM (hVqGz)

Ah, I fixed that so long ago I didn't even think about it. They're showing up in the post I take it. I assumed you were asking about how to not post them or get thrown in the barrel (by accident).

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at October 16, 2021 08:17 PM (wAnMi)

189 || :grins:
Posted by: GnuBreed ||

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 16, 2021 08:17 PM (UHVv4)

190 I posted a mega-essay on a variant of the AI question years ago on StackExchange, going back to the 1920 Polish play R.U.R. which coined the term "robot".

https://tinyurl.com/r2jxspsd

I mean, wow, I can't believe I did that. So much typing.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 08:17 PM (asXVI)

191 A Great AI Tv series was Almost Human. That's why they canceled it after one season. Bastards.

Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 08:18 PM (2DOZq)

192 Dredd, the remake starring Karl Urban is fantastic. Very, very dark. Completely unsentimental. Well worth watching.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 16, 2021 08:16 PM (mdjgu)


Oh yes, I've seen that 3-4 times now. Love it.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at October 16, 2021 08:19 PM (wAnMi)

193 Don't watch horror movies, closest I've gotten is the original Jaws.
However, returned from a lovely day exploring the beauty of NW MT to find our home filled with dozens of flies. All over the back entranceway, kitchen and eating area. That's true horror. Only eclipsed by Mr NEC hanging those stick tape things all over the house.
Had a large cocktail to help with the horror.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at October 16, 2021 08:19 PM (2NHgQ)

194 Dredd, the remake starring Karl Urban is fantastic. Very, very dark. Completely unsentimental. Well worth watching.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 16, 2021 08:16 PM (mdjgu)
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Yep. An underrated gem of a movie. He absolutely *nailed* the part. And MaMa was one of the most despicable villains I've ever seen. It really is a story of a simple drug bust (gone horribly, horribly wrong).

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 16, 2021 08:19 PM (K5n5d)

195 And yet only now are Feminazis afraid of Gynoids. They really need to watch Cherry 2000.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 08:19 PM (5VLt+)

196 Went to your blog to read up on Juliette Landau. It seemed to load without a glitch.

And Juliette is striking in appearance. She lucked out in the genes department considering she's the off-spring of a Lurch face and a marshmallow face.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021


***
All I knew of Juliette Landau was her striking performance in Buffy as the insane vampire adored by Spike. I loved her Cockney dialect; it was perfect. I had no idea that Martin and Barbara were so brutal to her. "She'sll never be as pretty as I am"? Jeez.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 16, 2021 08:19 PM (c6xtn)

197 My Evil Dead story is that a friend called me up and said "I am taking pain killers and I need you to come over and watch this. I want to make sure this is what I think it is."

it was Evil Dead II

Posted by: Kindltot at October 16, 2021 08:19 PM (KbLYZ)

198 Dredd, the remake starring Karl Urban is fantastic. Very, very dark. Completely unsentimental. Well worth watching.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 16, 2021 08:16 PM (mdjgu)

Oh yes, I've seen that 3-4 times now. Love it.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at October 16,

A movie that definitely needs a sequel so of course it won't happen.

Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 08:20 PM (2DOZq)

199 Juliet Landau was, at various points, the best thing in the Buffy series.

Which is a great series, regardless of whatever people might think about it being a typical teenage 90s show.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 16, 2021 08:21 PM (FNdgH)

200 They need to re-boot Slim Goodbody.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 16, 2021 08:21 PM (vuisn)

201 Dredd, the remake starring Karl Urban is fantastic. Very, very dark. Completely unsentimental. Well worth watching.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 16, 2021 08:16 PM (mdjgu)
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Yep. An underrated gem of a movie. He absolutely *nailed* the part. And MaMa was one of the most despicable villains I've ever seen. It really is a story of a simple drug bust (gone horribly, horribly wrong).
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 16, 2021


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Karl Urban has impressed me with everything I've seen him in. He revived Doctor McCoy as if he were channeling DeForest Kelley; he handled the young Woodrow Call as if the role had been written for him; his Julius Caesar on Xena was astonishing. He's remarkable.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 16, 2021 08:21 PM (c6xtn)

202 Blade runner was good first time I saw it, probably down a peg every time after. Never saw 2049. The score is still excellent and Rutger too.
Posted by: Skip at October 16, 2021 08:16 PM (2JoB


The new one is awful. Well, not so much as a movie (again, some great cinematography) but it was one of those movies I was yelling at the screen as to *why* somebody would do something so fucking stupid. So many plot holes and conveniences just to move the plot forward. I'd love to hear a Drinker critique on it - but I think it's just more low-hanging fruit. And being Hollyweird, they simply seem to have a hard on against Harrison Ford.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at October 16, 2021 08:21 PM (wAnMi)

203 You want Judge Dredd
Will settle for Psi-Judge Anderson
Will get Judge Trigglypuff

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 08:22 PM (5VLt+)

204 Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 16, 2021 08:21 PM (c6xtn)

He was also the star in the aforementioned Almost Human.

Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 08:22 PM (2DOZq)

205 Juliet Landau was, at various points, the best thing in the Buffy series.

Which is a great series, regardless of whatever people might think about it being a typical teenage 90s show.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 16, 2021


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Great writing and dialog. Part of the gag was the title; it was kind of an in-joke for the fans. There was nothing "typical" about it.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 16, 2021 08:22 PM (c6xtn)

206 ||Metropolis is the one movie I will always watch with Mrs. E.||

It's the only movie with the timeless message we need: The answer isn't communism! And it's not fascism! It's communism and fascism working TOGETHER!

I guess I'm not surprised the writer, Thea van Harbou, split with her husband, director Fritz Lang because she joined the Nazi party and he didn't want to.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 08:23 PM (asXVI)

207 ||The Charlton Heston Ben-Hur proves both points.

A. a reboot can surpass the originals.
B. a reboot of such a masterpiece will look amateurish.||

Not only that, people forget the silent version AND they pretty damn well forgot the latest version.

Did I mention I just finished watching "The Innocents" (1961) which is probably considered the best (of 40) versions of "Turn of the Screw"?

Remake can become an almost meaningless term at times.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 08:23 PM (asXVI)

208 Sturgeon's Law applies: 80% of everything is sh*t.
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I was at a Star Trek convention where a team of SF writers did the MST3K thing to "Shore Leave", written by Theodore Sturgeon. As the credits flashed, they shouted "No wonder 90% of it was crap!"

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at October 16, 2021 08:23 PM (Dc2NZ)

209 Karl Urban has impressed me with everything I've seen him in. He revived Doctor McCoy as if he were channeling DeForest Kelley; he handled the young Woodrow Call as if the role had been written for him; his Julius Caesar on Xena was astonishing. He's remarkable.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 16, 2021 08:21 PM (c6xtn)

And, he's in Almost Human, which was referenced above. Agree; he's an excellent actor. I won't see The Boys, unfortunately.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 16, 2021 08:24 PM (mdjgu)

210 Did I mention I just finished watching "The Innocents" (1961) which is probably considered the best (of 40) versions of "Turn of the Screw"?

Remake can become an almost meaningless term at times.
Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 08:23 P

You reminded me. I think every guy should watch The Incident .

Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 08:25 PM (2DOZq)

211 As for Evil Dead, I think good acting and visually perfect special effects are overrated.

In many ways, I think the first film is better than the second. It almost doesn't make sense to compare either to the third film, which is terrific, but it's just too different to really be held up side by side with the other two.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 16, 2021 08:25 PM (FNdgH)

212 ||I was at a Star Trek convention where a team of SF writers did the MST3K thing to "Shore Leave", written by Theodore Sturgeon. As the credits flashed, they shouted "No wonder 90% of it was crap!"||

lol...fair's fair.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 08:25 PM (asXVI)

213 re: Ben-Hur silent version

To quote Yoda, "there is another and another and another"

I think I got that right, one of the earliest was only like eight minutes long.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 08:25 PM (5VLt+)

214 THE FUGITIVE

I was in high school when it first aired; I think I could have counted on my fingers the number of times I missed it during the four-season run. Bought the dvds immediately.

The movie version with Harrison Ford was okay for a movie, but not nearly up to the series. The filmmakers did, however, have sense enough to crib much of the sequence where Tommy Lee Jones spots Ford in the court building from an episode of the series. (But it was better done in the original tv version.)

Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 16, 2021 08:26 PM (JzDjf)

215 Eris

An unanswered question on 'Shore Leave' is did Bones get jiggy with the Gyniods?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 08:26 PM (5VLt+)

216 Train to Busan is available on Prime, for anyone who'd like to see it. Pretty decent movie.

Rape as a ... scene setter and bad guy bona fide was kind of a 70's/80's/90's thing. I always hated it even in novels.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021 08:27 PM (csEWM)

217 203 You want Judge Dredd
Will settle for Psi-Judge Anderson
Will get Judge Trigglypuff
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 08:22 PM (5VLt+)

Um, actually, I would much prefer Anderson.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021 08:28 PM (csEWM)

218 || As for Evil Dead, I think good acting and visually perfect special effects are overrated. ||

I'd absolutely agree. I'll take the pretty but obviously fake CGI in eastern movies (or hell, an old school matte) over the modern American stuff.

As for acting, there's an old saw that Alfred Hitchcock directed "Psycho" because he wanted to prove that you could make a movie without a story, and he made "The Birds" to prove you didn't need a story OR acting.

||In many ways, I think the first film is better than the second.||

I haven't seen the second in a while. I remember being way more impressed with it than the first one at the time, but I was way more impressed with the first one last week than I was back in the day.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 08:28 PM (asXVI)

219 Shore Leave is great.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021 08:29 PM (csEWM)

220 "Shore Leave" was the episode with the Irish Upperclassman Tormentor, a literature archetype discussed in some ONT last week.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 16, 2021 08:29 PM (vuisn)

221 Juliet Landau was, at various points, the best thing in the Buffy series.

Which is a great series, regardless of whatever people might think about it being a typical teenage 90s show.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 16, 2021

Great writing and dialog. Part of the gag was the title; it was kind of an in-joke for the fans. There was nothing "typical" about it.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 16, 2021 08:22 PM (c6xtn)

I give Whedon credit where it's due. The movie was basically a gag production, with the whole thing being one long joke about an otherwise dippy teenage girl as the killer of evil.

And then apparently Whedon said "you know what? I think I need to take this seriously." And then he did.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 16, 2021 08:29 PM (FNdgH)

222 Sharkman: thank you. I kept thinking Dale and Tucker Vs., but knew that wasn't right.

David Janssen looked very much like a young Clark Gable, or at least his brother.

Re. Bubba Ho-Tep: A happy ending from Ella Joyce is always appropriate. Also, the infected/impotent dick is a metaphor.

Posted by: ogmrobvious at October 16, 2021 08:29 PM (zHgrl)

223 Finnegan was his name, don't ya ferget it boyo

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 08:30 PM (5VLt+)

224 Evil Dead 2 was odd for me after seeing Army of Darkness. It is like they are starting to make the transition over to the... style of Army, but are not quite sure yet.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021 08:30 PM (csEWM)

225 ||Train to Busan is available on Prime, for anyone who'd like to see it. Pretty decent movie.||

Freshest take on zombies in a while.

||Rape as a ... scene setter and bad guy bona fide was kind of a 70's/80's/90's thing. I always hated it even in novels.||

It sure was. Gross-af. Sometimes it's necessary but, damn, you better know what you're doing.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 08:30 PM (asXVI)

226 I have a pretty cool Judge Dredd action figure.
It's up in my room.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 16, 2021 08:31 PM (vuisn)

227 How to get the Herberts mad at you? Mention the Dorsai series and how the specializations were in that before any book about Arrakis.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 07:39 PM (5VLt+)


Shall we discuss Norstrillia too?

Posted by: Kindltot at October 16, 2021 08:31 PM (KbLYZ)

228 I'm not a pleb!

Posted by: Captain Kirk at October 16, 2021 08:31 PM (csEWM)

229 Um, actually, I would much prefer Anderson.
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Should we take a Poul??

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 16, 2021 08:31 PM (UHVv4)

230 Norstrillia?

You got a nose hair problem nyah?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 08:31 PM (5VLt+)

231 TheHill: Assistant House sergeant-at-arms arrested on child pornography charges

Obviously preying upon the young CongressCritters

Posted by: Colon Kaepernick at October 16, 2021 08:32 PM (X5CsJ)

232 Yes, many of us misremembered O'Reilly as Finnegan.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 16, 2021 08:33 PM (UHVv4)

233 Kevin O'Reilly - 'Conscience of the King'

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 08:33 PM (5VLt+)

234 My recommendation for viewing of underrated movie , at least box office underrated is State of Grace.

Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 08:34 PM (2DOZq)

235 ||In many ways, I think the first film is better than the second.||

I haven't seen the second in a while. I remember being way more impressed with it than the first one at the time, but I was way more impressed with the first one last week than I was back in the day.
Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 08:28 PM (asXVI)

As you said above, the first one would have been hurt by too much campy nonsense, and the main reason the second one is not hampered by it, is because it's just so damned scary otherwise. The audience NEEDED to be let up every now and then, whereas the first one, you could just absorb the horror of it all, with the cheesy effects not slowing it down at all.

There is a terrific commentary track for the first film, Raimi and... I think Campbell was there, but maybe it was Raimi's brother. It's a hoot to watch and listen to them talking about it.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 16, 2021 08:34 PM (FNdgH)

236 228 I'm not a pleb!
Posted by: Captain Kirk at October 16, 2021 08:31 PM (csEWM)

No blah blah blah

Posted by: Finnegan at October 16, 2021 08:34 PM (vuisn)

237 *kicks at mental bit bucket*

Or was that Kevin Reilly nyah?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 08:34 PM (5VLt+)

238 I've never thought much of Evil Dead I or II. The more recent remake was much the same. Only movie of the series I really like is Army of Darkness. Hated Ash vs. Evil Dead. I'm hopeful we've seen the last of this series.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 16, 2021 08:35 PM (QU5/8)

239 233 Kevin O'Reilly - 'Conscience of the King'
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 08:33 PM (5VLt+)

I thought O'Reilly was the drunk singing Irish shanties in "The Naked Time."

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 16, 2021 08:35 PM (vuisn)

240 I think it was Kevin O'reilly.

*looks it up*

Nope the internet says Riley. He may have called himself Kevin O'reilly when he was drunk in the engine room.

Posted by: Captain Kirk at October 16, 2021 08:36 PM (csEWM)

241 Evil Dead 2 was odd for me after seeing Army of Darkness. It is like they are starting to make the transition over to the... style of Army, but are not quite sure yet.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021 08:30 PM (csEWM)

Hmmm, interesting take. Maybe that's it. Not quite all in on a particular style.

Don't get me wrong, I love the film, but it's clearly not all committed one way or the other.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 16, 2021 08:36 PM (FNdgH)

242 Oh, I would also recommend "The Evil Dead Companion" (compendium?) which is a document of the making of ED1 and ED2. (Very little time is spent on ED3 because that was a pretty ordinary, professional shoot, not a bunch of maniac kids in a cabin.)

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 08:37 PM (asXVI)

243 I wish "Stan Against Evil" was still on. I loved that show.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at October 16, 2021 08:38 PM (Dc2NZ)

244 Hated Ash vs. Evil Dead. I'm hopeful we've seen the last of this series.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 16, 2021 08:35 PM (QU5/

People are of course entitled to their opinions, but I've noticed I'm often not in agreement with you.

This would be another example.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 16, 2021 08:38 PM (FNdgH)

245 Haven't watched the Evil Dead movies in I don't know when. The Raimi picture I liked most of those I've seen is A SIMPLE PLAN.

I think it was ARMY OF DARKNESS that had one of my favorite poster lines ever: "Trapped in Time, Surrounded by Evil, Low on Gas."

May have to revisit those soon...

Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 16, 2021 08:38 PM (JzDjf)

246 ||I liked most of those I've seen is A SIMPLE PLAN.||

A case where the movie is better than the book.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 08:39 PM (asXVI)

247 *pulls Star Trek Concordance 2nd Edition* off shelf*

Lt. Kevin Thomas Riley . Age four survived Kodos the Executioner, his parents didn't. Promoted from Engineering to navigator. During the Psi 2000 incident locks himself into Engineering, calls himself O'Reilly, and subjects the crew to repeated renditions "I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleen."

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 08:40 PM (5VLt+)

248 When Ben and Jerry's came out with Cherry Garcia, I was almost certain that The Grateful Dead had finally hit the big-time!
Posted by: Dr. Bone at October 16, 2021 08:01 PM (5l6FZ)


I am waiting for them to come out with Miguel Diaz-Canela* to smirkingly celebrate the new Cuban Revolution.

(*Tastes like Singao)

Posted by: Kindltot at October 16, 2021 08:40 PM (KbLYZ)

249 Ash VS Evil Dead was... odd. On the one hand, I liked the return to the series. The characters felt solid (although in the case of the kid and girl, pretty generic.)

On the other hand, it was a bit of a disappointment because it loses some of the magic for me somehow.

Posted by: Captain Kirk at October 16, 2021 08:41 PM (csEWM)

250 246 -
Better than the book? Don't know if I'd go *quite* that far, but I think it is one of the best jobs of adaptation to come down the pike in a long time. The novelist, Scott Smith, also wrote the script, which had to help. Better? I don't know, but as John T. Chance said in Rio Bravo, 'I'd hate to have to live on the difference.'

Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 16, 2021 08:44 PM (JzDjf)

251 247 *pulls Star Trek Concordance 2nd Edition* off shelf*

Lt. Kevin Thomas Riley . Age four survived Kodos the Executioner, his parents didn't. Promoted from Engineering to navigator. During the Psi 2000 incident locks himself into Engineering, calls himself O'Reilly, and subjects the crew to repeated renditions "I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleen."
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 08:40 PM (5VLt+)

*fistbump*

Mine is a 1st, I think. 'Special Book Club Edition!' Mom is a huge fan of the classic show.

Posted by: Captain Kirk at October 16, 2021 08:45 PM (csEWM)

252 || The novelist, Scott Smith, also wrote the script, which had to help. ||

He's a fine writer but I thought the book was just a slog. I get it that it's all dark and serious but it just felt like misery porn to me.

Hey, speaking of Stephen-King-influenced-successes, Scott Smith would be one of those. His book got trashed and Stephen King rescued it.

Smith wrote a pretty good horror flick called "The Ruins", too.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 08:48 PM (asXVI)

253 First edition has the gimmicky cover where you can spin a wheel to find an episode. To have one with a functioning wheel these many years later would be a not so small miracle.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 08:49 PM (5VLt+)

254
I liked most of those I've seen is A SIMPLE PLAN.||

A case where the movie is better than the book.
Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 08:39 PM (asXVI)


As nihilistically bleak as the film is, the book turns it up to 11. The minimart scene, and the epilogue... Damn.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 16, 2021 08:50 PM (gbfHZ)

255 Suck my dick, Kirk!!!

See you tomorrow, folks.

Except you, JIM!!!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 16, 2021 08:50 PM (UHVv4)

256 One of my favorite series of all time. If someone created an AI, how would it manifest itself? Would it seek to help, harm, or control humanity?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel


Just a fantastic series. All the main characters had redemption arcs, and the questions presented to viewers to noodle over were profound.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 16, 2021 08:51 PM (pTHOC)

257 The Batman trailer
https://youtu.be/mqqft2x_Aa4

It looks a lot like the Nolan films. The trailer is stronger than the teaser was.

Posted by: Harrison Ford at October 16, 2021 08:52 PM (ybIRR)

258
The Raimi picture I liked most of those I've seen is A SIMPLE PLAN.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 16, 2021 08:38 PM


A Simple Plan is a criminally underrated movie

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 16, 2021 08:52 PM (DUIap)

259 253 First edition has the gimmicky cover where you can spin a wheel to find an episode. To have one with a functioning wheel these many years later would be a not so small miracle.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 08:49 PM (5VLt+)

It does! The wheel still works- although the book got a small amount of water exposure during an apartment fire 20 years ago now. Wrinkled the pages a bit. Hard to call it 'damage'.

Posted by: Captain Kirk at October 16, 2021 08:53 PM (csEWM)

260 Yes a true procedural as it were, my parents both raged about Columbo telling you who the killer was God rest mom's soul never quite grasping that the point was about how he nailed 'em not whether he caught them.
Posted by: sven

It's a pretty innovative formula, really. The mystery is usually "who", but Columbo makes the mystery " how". Genius.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 16, 2021 08:54 PM (OssQ4)

261 Off kirk sock.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021 08:54 PM (csEWM)

262 260 Yes a true procedural as it were, my parents both raged about Columbo telling you who the killer was God rest mom's soul never quite grasping that the point was about how he nailed 'em not whether he caught them.
Posted by: sven

It's a pretty innovative formula, really. The mystery is usually "who", but Columbo makes the mystery " how". Genius.
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 16, 2021 08:54 PM (OssQ4)

I hate to say it, but I am not a fan. Like the character, do not like the mystery style.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021 08:55 PM (csEWM)

263 I watched the latest Jason Statham vehicle, Wrath of Man, directed by Guy Richie, this week.

Holy shit was it dark. Good flick, but no characters who had rereading qualities at all.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 16, 2021 08:55 PM (pTHOC)

264 Redeeming, not rereading.

Fucking AutoCuke.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 16, 2021 08:55 PM (pTHOC)

265 Nice dissection of the movie.

Evil Dead made my goosebumps laugh.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at October 16, 2021 08:56 PM (dHB/y)

266 Off gloomy murmuring sock

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 16, 2021 08:57 PM (ybIRR)

267 One other thing about Train to Busan: it looks so sharp. It looks different than a lot of modern movies I have watched. I wonder if it is a lack of cgi, in the main?

Also, the action is filmed where you can tell what is happening.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021 08:57 PM (csEWM)

268 [iI give Whedon credit where it's due. The movie was basically a gag production, with the whole thing being one long joke about an otherwise dippy teenage girl as the killer of evil.

And then apparently Whedon said "you know what? I think I need to take this seriously." And then he did.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 16, 2021

***
Exactly. Seriously, yes, but almost always with a touch of humor, most especially in the dialog. I've been disappointed with "comedies" since then, with the exception of Just Go With It (itself a remake), because the dialog in most of them is sawdust. Oh, and except for Gilmore Girls -- another fireworks-in-the-dialog series.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 16, 2021 08:58 PM (c6xtn)

269 I watched the latest Jason Statham vehicle, Wrath of Man, directed by Guy Richie, this week.

Holy shit was it dark. Good flick, but no characters who had rereading qualities at all.
Posted by: Sharkman

I expected something quirky and comical like Snatched. Yeesh.

Posted by: Blutarski at October 16, 2021 08:59 PM (rz+/y)

270 ||I wonder if it is a lack of cgi, in the main?

Might be. I've noticed CGI leans heavily on blur effects. "Man, this'd be goin' so fast, it'd be a blur!"

Yeah. No.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 08:59 PM (asXVI)

271 That is, if A is predicted based on parameters B...Z, and then in interdiction takes place based on this future knowledge, then the results of B..Z are altered decaying the prediction correlations.

Posted by: Reuben Hick



I was told there would be no math on the blog.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 16, 2021 08:59 PM (pTHOC)

272 Oh, and except for Gilmore Girls -- another fireworks-in-the-dialog series.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 16, 2021 08:58 PM (c6xtn)

It's snappy banter. o back and watch His Girl Friday.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021 09:00 PM (csEWM)

273 A Simple Plan is a fantastic film....that scene of Billy Bob Thornton sitting alone in the bar after his friend...man, that got me.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 16, 2021 09:00 PM (nDrPh)

274 https://tinyurl.com/r2jxspsd

I mean, wow, I can't believe I did that. So much typing.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 08:17 PM (asXVI)

Fascinating

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 16, 2021 09:01 PM (YZG/i)

275 It's a pretty innovative formula, really. The mystery is usually "who", but Columbo makes the mystery " how". Genius.
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 16, 2021


***
Columbo made it about How-does-he-catch-'em. The technique was old even then -- it was pioneered if not invented by a writer named R. Austin Freeman before WWI.

If you want a mystery that focuses on "how it could be done," check out the novels of John Dickson Carr, and the short-lived TV series Banacek.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 16, 2021 09:01 PM (c6xtn)

276 Moviegique's Buffy Rule: Don't expect to make bank at the box office if you're insulting your audience.

The movie aimed for teen girls (Luke Perry fans!) and then portrayed them as vacuous, shallow and unlikeable.

The hit series made them heroes.

See also "Last Action Hero".

Cf. "Galaxy Quest", a more benign take on the audience.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 09:01 PM (asXVI)

277 Or the Thin Man movies. Dialogue so quick, I am not sure all the children can follow along.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021 09:02 PM (csEWM)

278 ||Fascinating

Nice Spock impression, vmom. ;-)

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 09:02 PM (asXVI)

279 Oh, and except for Gilmore Girls -- another fireworks-in-the-dialog series.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 16, 2021 08:58 PM (c6xtn)

It's snappy banter. o back and watch His Girl Friday.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021


***
GG, I think, is in that direct line of descent from the '30s screwball comedies and His Girl Friday/The Front Page.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 16, 2021 09:02 PM (c6xtn)

280 Nood. ONT.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021 09:05 PM (csEWM)

281 Or the Thin Man movies. Dialogue so quick, I am not sure all the children can follow along.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021


***
Not to mention cultural references.

Police Lieutenant, on discovering that Nick Charles has a gun (and has used it to defend himself): "Ever hear of something called the Sullivan Act?"
Nora: "Oh, it's all right, Officer, we're married."

To get this joke, you'd need to know about New York's early anti-gun law was called the Sullivan Act; and that the Mann Act was the one that prohibited crossing state lines "for immoral purposes."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 16, 2021 09:05 PM (c6xtn)

282 Taste is a weird thing. THE RUINS seemed more like misery porn to me than A SIMPLE PLAN came close to being. Readable, but just didn't strike me as being in the same class with A SIMPLE PLAN.

King's comments have nudged me toward a number of things I might have missed otherwise -- EVIL DEAD, for instance, and an oddball little monster movie called THE BOOGENS, and others. Don't care for his politics, but some of his books are long-time favorites of mine, and the man is generous with praise where he thinks it's due. If you're looking for a good source of recommendations of horror books, films, and tv, you could do a lot worse than getting a copy of King's DANSE MACABRE.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 16, 2021 09:05 PM (JzDjf)

283

Das ONT ist NOOD!

Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 09:06 PM (iOxrB)

284 "A wee bit of water damage lad? Ach, twen't be a trouble ta fix."

If you want to bulk out your early Trek book collection, this is a good start: https://tinyurl.com/434mr9yp

The two Gerrold ones, well these were written when he was still relatively sane and decent. Star Trek LIves! is about the fandom and also Joan Winston being on the set of the last TOS episode filmed "Turnabout Intruder" and the reader is treated to plenty of behind the scenes interaction of the cast.

Other three books, no idea.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 09:06 PM (5VLt+)

285 ||Taste is a weird thing. THE RUINS seemed more like misery porn to me than A SIMPLE PLAN came close to being. Readable, but just didn't strike me as being in the same class with A SIMPLE PLAN.||

Oh! You know, I didn't read the book, I was just talking about the movie. I'd imagine it's not in the same class, though.

Yeah, King's okay for reccs. Some people even like his books. *shrug*

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 09:08 PM (asXVI)

286 If you want to bulk out your early Trek book collection, this is a good start: https://tinyurl.com/434mr9yp

The two Gerrold ones, well these were written when he was still relatively sane and decent. . . .

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021


***
World of Star Trek analyzes the writing and format of the show, what it did well and what it failed at. A good book for any writer, especially of SF.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 16, 2021 09:08 PM (c6xtn)

287 ||The two Gerrold ones, well these were written when he was still relatively sane and decent.||

Oh, no! What happened to him?

I went over to his house after the Northridge quake to help him clean up. He was a nice feller back then.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 09:08 PM (asXVI)

288 Bruce Campbell's greatest work is "The Adventures of Brisco County Jr" created and produced by Jeffrey Boam (disceased) and Carlton Cuse for Fox in 1992.

Cancelling Brisco was Fox's greatest programming mistake.

It was and is a classic.

I own the DVD set and enjoy it to this day.

Posted by: Dan at October 16, 2021 09:11 PM (+NG5U)

289 I think he got infected by his own world, the world of the Chtorr.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 09:11 PM (5VLt+)

290 LISTEN TO ME. THE SPICE MUST FLOW!!!

Posted by: Cow Demon - Free Australia! at October 16, 2021 09:11 PM (y2DWb)

291 Um, Gerrod went in some... Stephen R Donaldson direction in his later books. Can't really say worse, just different sexual gack.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021 09:13 PM (csEWM)

292 285 re Simple Plan and Ruins

In either form, THE RUINS

Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 16, 2021 09:14 PM (JzDjf)

293 What's pre-willowing? I will post this here too:
The Galactic Whirlpool (I think that was the title) by Gerrod is my favorite Star Trek novel. The idea that they built giant orbiting power stations and then they turned it into a generation ship and the Enterprise catches up to it after all this time. Captured my imagination.

Then I read the fuzzy caterpillar books. Do not recommend.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021 09:11 PM (csEWM)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021 09:14 PM (csEWM)

294 Anna, I've been making pizza but Norstrillia was a series by Cordwainer Smith that eerily echoes Dune, but was made first.

It features Australians in space.

Stroon is made by giant, diseased sheep though.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 16, 2021 09:14 PM (KbLYZ)

295 "Cry Macho" is a suspense film.

There are so many ways it can end in disaster and sadness.

But it doesn't.

Sadly, only about 10 people were in the theater last Sunday when we viewed it.

Hollywood, gladly, is dead.

Posted by: Dan at October 16, 2021 09:15 PM (+NG5U)

296 The Long Walk...SK

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at October 16, 2021 09:16 PM (dHB/y)

297 292 continued (freakin' keyboard...)

RUINS is a distant second to A SIMPLE PLAN. Of course, Smith wasn't writing the same kind of story, so it's probably not really fair of me to make a comparison in the first place.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 16, 2021 09:16 PM (JzDjf)

298 First book in the Chtorr series, our 'adult' male hero just to piss off his mother wears makeup and a skirt.

Gerrold was not really firing on his usual thrusters with that series.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 09:18 PM (5VLt+)

299 Kindltot, okay I think I now recall it being mentioned before. Perhaps by you.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 09:19 PM (5VLt+)

300 ||First book in the Chtorr series, our 'adult' male hero just to piss off his mother wears makeup and a skirt.||

Wow, I do not remember that. (I have not read it since about the time of the quake, so...)

I do remember the unfortunate (to my mind) infection Heinlein left us with: That all SF writers think they're master philosophers.

His concept of Down's was uncomfortable for me.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 09:20 PM (asXVI)

301 Wow, I do not remember that. (I have not read it since about the time of the quake, so...)

I do remember the unfortunate (to my mind) infection Heinlein left us with: That all SF writers think they're master philosophers.

His concept of Down's was uncomfortable for me.
Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 09:20 PM (asXVI)

The Chtorr books got worse. So much worse.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021 09:21 PM (csEWM)

302 I didn't know he'd written any since the 90s. I had some misgivings about how he was going to be able to salvage the story.

Posted by: Moviegique at October 16, 2021 09:23 PM (asXVI)

303 Errr...


@BNONews 9m

BREAKING: Up to 17 American missionaries and their family members kidnapped in Haiti - NYT

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 16, 2021 09:26 PM (1t5dY)

304 The truck joke is a good one! I'll pass that one along.

Musing.....when the shipping backlog off the Kali coast finally breaks, I suggest you avoid the Chinese sushi.

Trust me. You should have been avoiding all along anyway.

Posted by: boynsea at October 16, 2021 09:48 PM (cx155)

305 Army of Darkness is one of my all-time favorite movies. Of course the big question is: Which ending do you like most? Going back to S-Mart, or the sleeping-too-long one?

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 16, 2021 10:07 PM (nRMeC)

306 I =like= the sleeping-too-long one more for the movie as part of a series. It's so very Ash-y.

I =understand= why the S-Mart ending is more satisfying to a general audience.

Posted by: moviegique at October 16, 2021 10:21 PM (asXVI)

307 Never have much interest in old style horror. I'm more into SciFi type horror for monsters.

Reg horror is is just really silly in the assumptions made and it stretches by suspend disbelief too far. We've lived with ourselves for too long for there to be much we don't know about.

Now the Universe is a large place and there there is much unknown and much possible that we have no clue could exist.

Posted by: jakee308 at October 16, 2021 10:32 PM (H5Y9p)

308 First edition has the gimmicky cover where you can spin a wheel to find an episode. To have one with a functioning wheel these many years later would be a not so small miracle.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 08:49 PM


I have that one. I couldn't tell you if the wheel still works because I haven't seen it in years. It's in one of the boxes I never unpacked.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at October 17, 2021 12:46 AM (ezpv1)

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