Gun Thread: Headed to Texas Edition!

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h/t Guy in Texas

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Last week I mentioned making a list of all the things I wanted to take to Texas and which I had left at the farm the last time I was there. I am happy to report I made a quick trip to the farm this week to pick them up, so I am all set for my maniacal drive to Corsicana. Mission accomplished! If you happen to be on I-81 or I-40, get out of the way! Weasel is coming through!

With that, let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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Programming Note: Next Sunday is going to be a travel day for me, and if everything goes according to Plan A I will post the thread at the normal time. Apologies since this week is mostly videos, and thanks in advance for understanding if next weekend's content includes material you have seen before.

Sunday Update: I just spent 12 1/2 hours in the car, and I need to get something to eat and uncurl my fingers from clutching the steering wheel all day. I will probably be in and out of the thread tonight, so please don't burn the place down!

Texas MoMe

IMPORTANT: I am linking the syllabus for the Introduction to Mid-Range Rifle Clinic here. If you are attending, please download the file, print it out, and bring the copy with you. It will be very helpful for you to have a hard copy and follow along during the classroom portion of the clinic. I am going to try and have a few spare copies available, but I plan to do a lot of things that never end up happening, so please bring a copy with you.

I am also going to post the schedule of the TXMoMe shooting stuff one last time in case you missed it.


Handguns
Friday 22nd, 11am - 4pm. The program will cover range safety and the basics of a proper handgun stance, grip, sight alignment and trigger discipline, and will repeat throughout the day. There will also be targets available for those who want to try a variety of available weapons. You are welcome and encouraged to bring your favorite firearm if you like, and please consider bringing a little extra ammo to share since a big part of the fun is the ability to try other Moron's weapons.

Saturday 23rd, 11am - 4pm. Open range with the handgun presentation repeating throughout the day.

Rifles
Friday 22nd, 8am - 4pm. We start at 8am with a presentation on mid-range shooting concepts conducted in a classroom setting on the carport. Please bring a pencil, copy of the syllabus and pocket calculator if you are interested in participating. The topics covered include range safety, interior and exterior ballistics, practical exercises in computing firing solutions, and working with a coach or spotter. The presentation usually lasts until lunch, after which we will head to the range and engage targets from 50 to 700 yards. There will be separate targets setup for plinking at close range if that's what you like to do.

Saturday 23rd, 8:30am - 2pm or thereabouts. Open range. If you want to shoot, get there early as most of us want to head up to the main event and join the party around lunchtime. I will be available until around noon on the range to work with shooters, tell funny jokes, and generally act like a buffoon.

Important note In past years, we have tried to limit the size of the rifle class by having people register, and this year we are simply welcoming anyone who would like to attend. If you want to come and simply observe, you're absolutely welcome to do that too. Please be at the ranch by 7:45am Friday, as the presentation begins at 8am sharp. If you would like to shoot, bring a rifle and ammo. It can be any reasonable caliber, but please, no AP or incendiary ammo of any sort. I will also bring a couple of my practice guns and a very limited supply of ammo for those. You can improve your chances of getting a turn with one of them by bringing either .308 Winchester (168gr and up) or 5.56x45mm (70gr and up) ammo.

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First up our pal Ed L shares the results of a recent range trip.

First is a 1994-95 .38 Colt Detective Special (last of the breed) at 10 yards w/ 130 grain FMJ. Target shows the results of a mix of aimed and rapid fire. Obviously, rapid fire isn't my thing to do with a snubbie at 10 yards.

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Next is the HK SP5. Blue target is at 10 yards with a mix of aimed shots and double taps. Next target is at 20 yards, again a mix of aimed shots and rapid double taps. Ammo is 124 grain 9mm +P with frangible flat nosed ammo. Any fails here are on the shooter, not the weapon. The SP5 has the SB Tactical Brace and MP5 diopter sights replacing the end cap and notched rear sight the SP5 originally shipped with. This is one of the best pistol caliber carbines available, but its also got the highest price if one sees what these are going for on Gun Broker.

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Nice, Ed L, and thank you for sharing! Very nice weapons and great shooting. Some of you may recall a video from Weasel Acres featuring my buddy's H&K MP5 in full-auto.

Any other MP5 fans out there? Why yes, yes there are! Our pal redc1c4 shares a video he found on the history of this weapon.

Thanks redc1c4!

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M1 Rifle
By now you should have realized I really like old military training films. I found these videos some time ago, but they are looooong. Like one hour long, each, so save them to watch on a rainy day.

M1 marksmanship training film Part 1:

M1 marksmanship training film Part 2:

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Next up our pal Doof found a great video on a guy building a benchrest rifle as an Eddie Van Halen tribute.

Great video, thanks Doof!

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Next, our pal WTM shares an article on the Tommy Gun and the St. Valentine's Day Massacre

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I say it all of the time, but the .22LR is a very capable (and fun!) training round, and here's a video of just that.

The cartridge is fun and economical to shoot, and offers all of the same elements of grip mechanics, sight alignment and trigger squeeze as larger calibers at a fraction of the cost. I cannot recommend the .22LR for practice or general plinking enough!

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The Babylon Bee tackles gun selection!

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Gun Basics 101

Q: Weasel, I bought a gun and I am buying ammo. Where to I keep it?
A: Why, you want to lock the gun up in a safe, but make sure it's readily accessible to shoot bad guys.

Here's the She Equips Herself lady with her recommendation.

These safes aren't cheap. Here is a link to (I think) the Vaultek safe model featured in the video. It's pricey at over $300, but it looks solid. There are a ton of different opinions on safe types and applications, so watch the video and ask questions to determine what the right solution is for you.

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Cigar of the Day

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This is a cigar I really like, the Ramon Allones Special Selection. This happens to be the Nicaraguan edition by AJ Fernandez, but they are also still made in Cuba. Both are delightful!

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Link-O-Rama

I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop

***Mail Bag***

This week our pal f'd shares the proper method of old hard drive disposal. Shoot 'em!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM




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1 #1 ? with a bullet !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at October 17, 2021 06:00 PM (jDHSU)

2 Gub First! See y'all in a few days

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy Agr8U at October 17, 2021 06:00 PM (Agr8U)

3 Howdy there, Weasel! Thanks for another outstanding gun thread!

Posted by: Doof at October 17, 2021 06:02 PM (mZUr4)

4 Took awhile to get the content loaded

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2021 06:03 PM (2JoB8)

5 Hi Weasel! Hope everyone has a safe and hassle free trip to and from TX. Can't make it this year, but I'm already planning for next year.

Posted by: Ed L at October 17, 2021 06:04 PM (NacE+)

6 Evening everyone!!! Hello from an undisclosed hotel located in Knoxville. Tennessee. Just finished having a burger and a brew after almost 12 hours behind the wheel. How is everyone tonight?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 17, 2021 06:05 PM (q/nmF)

7 hiya

Posted by: JT at October 17, 2021 06:05 PM (arJlL)

8 Hey - just noticed the Eddie Van Halen tribute rifle video I suggested made it to this week's gun thread. Glad you enjoyed that, Weasel!

Posted by: Doof at October 17, 2021 06:05 PM (mZUr4)

9 There is a bunch of Turkish military surplus 30-06 on the market. Made late 60s/ early 70s. Not sure if I trust it. Anyone have anything good or bad to say about it?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 17, 2021 06:07 PM (0ryfU)

10 Found some primers at Academy!! Alas they were for small pistol and I don't reload those.

Posted by: Javems at October 17, 2021 06:07 PM (AmoqO)

11 Watching She Equips Herself videos here every week got one on my YouTube phone of Women's weapon conceal

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2021 06:07 PM (2JoB8)

12 Hey everyone! Yes, I did go to the range, and I had a pair of new curiosities come with me.

One was an Iver Johnson Sidewinder revolver, picked up on the cheap from a gun on Gunbroker who had no idea what it actually was. He said it was a single-action only, but it's actually double action and has a variable-strength mainspring.

Likely made in 1974 or so.

Also the most ugly grips ever inflicted on humanity. Fake buck horn that is obvious plastic. Replacements are already on the way.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 17, 2021 06:08 PM (llXky)

13 Scuba Dude safe at home, Godspeed traveling

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2021 06:09 PM (2JoB8)

14
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 17, 2021 06:09 PM (DUIap)

15 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 17, 2021 06:05 PM (q/nmF)
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I spent two extra hours in traffic betwixt Knoxville and Nashville. Get an early start tomorrow!

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 06:09 PM (nkahJ)

16 Good evening everyone. Look forward to visiting in meatspace. Thanks for all you do Weasel.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 17, 2021 06:10 PM (mD/uy)

17 I should add that it's a 6-inch barrel .22 LR with target sights, which is what I was looking for. It's got a loading gate, extractor rod, etc., but no half-cock.

This puzzled me, but I figured it may have broken. I put some dummy rounds in it for my wife to take a try and she was the one who decided to pull the trigger with the hammer down and make it go click.

Took it to the range, need to adjust the sights and I even put .22 short through it and it was a hoot.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 17, 2021 06:11 PM (llXky)

18 Snubbies rule. Ask Dick Tracy or Joe Friday. Or Mrs. E.

Posted by: Eromero at October 17, 2021 06:11 PM (0OP+5)

19 Posted by: Tonypete at October 17, 2021 06:10 PM (mD/uy)
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Happy to do it! Thanks for being here and I apologize for all the vids tonight.

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 06:11 PM (nkahJ)

20 Scuba Dude safe at home, Godspeed traveling
Posted by: Skip

Seconded !

Posted by: JT at October 17, 2021 06:12 PM (arJlL)

21 There is a bunch of Turkish military surplus 30-06 on the market. Made late 60s/ early 70s. Not sure if I trust it. Anyone have anything good or bad to say about it?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 17, 2021 06:07 PM (0ryfU)
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Everything I've heard about Turkish surplus is bad. I think Gun Jeebus has a video rant about it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 17, 2021 06:12 PM (llXky)

22 Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 06:09 PM (nkahJ)

I lost an hour or so on I81 in Virginia due to an accident and also construction.

Alarm is set for 5:30 (might adjust accordingly). Will be on the road by 6:30 at the latest.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 17, 2021 06:12 PM (q/nmF)

23 Safe travels, Weasel.

And ALL the traveling 'Rons and 'Ettes !

Posted by: JT at October 17, 2021 06:12 PM (arJlL)

24 Tommy Gun Shommy Gun....

Is that a Schmeisser MP-28 laying there on the table with that riff raff?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 17, 2021 06:12 PM (R/m4+)

25 Buenos nachos Hoarde, Weasel!

Thicc Boi online and lusting after that H&K SP5!

Posted by: Thicc Boi at October 17, 2021 06:13 PM (zThcc)

26 9 ... "There is a bunch of Turkish military surplus 30-06 on the market. Made late 60s/ early 70s. Not sure if I trust it. Anyone have anything good or bad to say about it?"

I've used Greek military surplus 30-06 ammo from that era made for the Garand. It was completely reliable and decently accurate. It can also be reloaded. I imagine the Turkish stuff would be fine.

Note: Make sure the bullet size and pressure is correct for the Garand if that is what you will be shooting.

Posted by: JTB at October 17, 2021 06:14 PM (7EjX1)

27 adding my voice to the general consensus:
Snubbies Rule !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at October 17, 2021 06:15 PM (jDHSU)

28 Thanks for the best wishes in traveling folks. At around 4:30 I knew I was at my limit and decided to stop in Knoxville. I will say I say a lot of troopers when I entered Tennessee. Thankfully none of them were looking for me, even with NY plates!! LOL

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 17, 2021 06:15 PM (q/nmF)

29 Have not yet had a Ramon Allones, but the name keeps popping up in reviews and guides. It goes on the list (currently humidor and transitional storage pretty full, no more cigar buying for a bit).

Just finished a Camacho Connecticut (toro) while video chatting with my ex-SEAL buddy in TX. Somewhat disappointed, bitter at certain stages. This despite 5 weeks' "rest" in the humidor @69%.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 06:15 PM (OTzUX)

30 Thanks for the video on gun safes, Weasel! Most timely.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at October 17, 2021 06:16 PM (Dc2NZ)

31 What is that other ventilated barrel gun on the table with Tommy gun man?

Posted by: Commisar of Lysenko Gender Fluid at October 17, 2021 06:16 PM (QaUoT)

32
Alarm is set for 5:30 (might adjust accordingly). Will be on the road by 6:30 at the latest.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 17, 2021 06:12 PM (q/nmF)
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I only got over 100mph once.

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 06:16 PM (nkahJ)

33 Does anybody have recommendations for clone H&K SP5s?

Posted by: butch at October 17, 2021 06:16 PM (cHvOo)

34 Weasel I watched those M1 marksmanship videos when I got my first M1, need to look at them again.

And I realize I forgot to send you the link to that WWII training film on semi- and full-auto firearm function.

I'll save it for post-MoMe, send it to you when you're back from Tejas.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 06:17 PM (OTzUX)

35 I will say I say a lot of troopers when I entered Tennessee. Thankfully none of them were looking for me, even with NY plates!! LOL
Posted by: Scuba_Dude

I have found to address an Officer or Trooper as "Skippy" is counter-productive. Even at my advance age.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 17, 2021 06:17 PM (mD/uy)

36 Also, I did a write up of Dirty Harry's Model 29 in the latest Geek Guns installment.

You can check them all out at https://www.ahlloyd.com/geek-guns/

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 17, 2021 06:18 PM (llXky)

37 Mrs. Leggy and I were in Boston this past week, visiting the Grandkids. We've made the drive from Indy to Boston and back many times and have always wanted to visit the Springfield National Armory National Historic Site. Today, we did! If you haven't been, it is a must see.
Many M1 Garlands on display and much, much more. We spent about 90 minutes there and could have stayed 3 hours and more!

Posted by: Mr. Leggy at October 17, 2021 06:18 PM (7R8we)

38 Yeah, what Commissar axed: noticed the heat shield on that one sub on the table in the photo. Can't think of any such heat shields on subs contemporary with what I think the era of that photo is. One more bit of knowledge that needs to be put to me.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 06:18 PM (OTzUX)

39 32
Alarm is set for 5:30 (might adjust accordingly). Will be on the road by 6:30 at the latest.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 17, 2021 06:12 PM (q/nmF)
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I only got over 100mph once.

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 06:16 PM
'Officer,I was just trying to get around them other vehicles.'

Posted by: Eromero at October 17, 2021 06:19 PM (0OP+5)

40 Orange barrel season sucks.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 17, 2021 06:19 PM (tayw9)

41 Yeah, what Commissar axed: noticed the heat shield on that one sub on the table in the photo. Can't think of any such heat shields on subs contemporary with what I think the era of that photo is. One more bit of knowledge that needs to be put to me.
Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 06:18 PM (OTzUX)

Schmeisser MP-28.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 17, 2021 06:19 PM (R/m4+)

42 Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 06:16 PM (nkahJ)

Wow!! Living dangerously.

I kept it under 80. On average I was minimum 5mph over the speed limit.

Somehow I get the feeling my NY plates might be a magnet to the Rozzers.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 17, 2021 06:19 PM (q/nmF)

43 Weasel, See you tomorrow and there is chicken fried steak in your future,

Posted by: Ben Had at October 17, 2021 06:19 PM (pFI7y)

44 Weasel, I forgot you were leaving today. Have a safe trip and a fabulous time in Texas. Everyone going to the TxMoMe, have a great time and be nice to my pal Weasel!

Posted by: bluebell at October 17, 2021 06:21 PM (wyw4S)

45 Range report:
A 40 MOA ramp is too much for my Christensen Ranger .22. Can't even zero at 100, much less 50.
I will now try my dremel fu.
Right after I order a 20 MOA ramp.

Posted by: RI Red at October 17, 2021 06:21 PM (CJtAX)

46 Posted by: Ben Had at October 17, 2021 06:19 PM (pFI7y)
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Excellent! Looking forward to that, and seeing you all!

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 06:21 PM (nkahJ)

47 Somehow I get the feeling my NY plates might be a magnet to the Rozzers.
Posted by: Sc




O have done that trip, they are not interested


Btw, Tennessee has the slowest most backwards drivers in the U.S.

Posted by: Y5 at October 17, 2021 06:22 PM (coCgA)

48 All best wishes to everyone on the way to the MoMee ... I hope to join all of you next year !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at October 17, 2021 06:22 PM (jDHSU)

49 40 MOA rail for a .22? Yeah, a little overkill there. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 17, 2021 06:22 PM (q/nmF)

50 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 17, 2021 06:19 PM (q/nmF)
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I was in stealth mode.

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 06:22 PM (nkahJ)

51 Thanks Weasel! Drive safely and have a great time in TX.

Posted by: Muad'dib at October 17, 2021 06:22 PM (RrtlF)

52 "M1 Garlands" would be a perfectly fine thing, well justified really, especially at holiday time - but I do love that typo!

Some day want to get to the Springfield Armory historic site. I fear we're at the stage, nationally, that non-idiots need to go in and remove that site and all its artifacts, put them in America somewhere, where they won't be Bamiyan Buddha'd by the cretinous massholes (who have their counterparts, in disastrous numbers, in most of the country, not picking on MA).

Sort of like countries being invaded by the Germans hiding, or evacuating (as with gold in a few European countries, to the UK) precious art and artifacts. But with fewer Stuka attacks.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 06:23 PM (OTzUX)

53 & not to forget BenHad in all those best wishes !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at October 17, 2021 06:23 PM (jDHSU)

54 bluebell, no problem there. His wish is my command.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 17, 2021 06:23 PM (pFI7y)

55 Everyone going to the TxMoMe, have a great time and be nice to my pal Weasel!
Posted by: bluebell at October 17, 2021 06:21 PM (wyw4S)
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Don't worry, Miss Bluebell! We'll be nice to Weasel!

*looks nervously over shoulder*

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at October 17, 2021 06:23 PM (Dc2NZ)

56 Posted by: bluebell at October 17, 2021 06:21 PM (wyw4S)
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You heard bluebell, people! Be nice to Weasel!

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 06:24 PM (nkahJ)

57 Cracking up, wondering how A.H.Lloyd had a naval 6in cannon at home.

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2021 06:24 PM (2JoB8)

58 Best wishes to Weasel and everyone traveling on the yellow brick road to the TxMoMe. We can't make it but look forward to tales of fun, guns, and hilarity.

Posted by: JTB at October 17, 2021 06:24 PM (7EjX1)

59 Btw, Tennessee has the slowest most backwards drivers in the U.S.
Posted by: Y5

Have you been to Ahia, Y5?

Posted by: Tonypete at October 17, 2021 06:24 PM (mD/uy)

60 Weasel, I forgot you were leaving today. Have a safe trip and a fabulous time in Texas. Everyone going to the TxMoMe, have a great time and be nice to my pal Weasel!

If they're not nice he can remind them at least out to 600 yards why that's a bad idea. Probably farther than that, so listen to bluebell.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at October 17, 2021 06:24 PM (SchxB)

61 Everyone going to the TxMoMe, have a great time and be nice to my pal Weasel!
Posted by: bluebell at October 17, 2021 06:21 PM (wyw4S)

We have to be nice to him, bluebell? I thought all we had do was kneel.

Posted by: RI Red at October 17, 2021 06:25 PM (CJtAX)

62 Posted by: Muad'dib at October 17, 2021 06:22 PM (RrtlF)
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Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 06:25 PM (nkahJ)

63 Cracking up, wondering how A.H.Lloyd had a naval 6in cannon at home.

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It's part of a shipwreck by now...

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 17, 2021 06:26 PM (llXky)

64 Danke, Hairyback! Need to check it out. Closest thing I could think of was PPsh-40/41, but the heat shield looks a lot heavier on that gun in the photo.

I always mistakenly call one couple friends' dogs "Schmeissers" when I'm looking for "schnausers".

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 06:26 PM (OTzUX)

65 rhomboid @ 52- Yeah brother, there won't be any John Inglis factory in Canada this go-round, neither.

Posted by: Eromero at October 17, 2021 06:26 PM (0OP+5)

66 a Garland of M1's for Christmas ?

be still, my beating heart ! crivvens, I'll be extra good next year !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at October 17, 2021 06:26 PM (jDHSU)

67 sock-rat, this is the highlight of my year. Thank you.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 17, 2021 06:27 PM (pFI7y)

68 Eris, you know you're always safe. I'm jealous Weasel gets to see you and I don't.

Ben Had, you're the hostess with the mostest. I know you have worked so hard on this and I hope you enjoy every minute. Please my love to rancherbob and Cowhorsequeen.

Posted by: bluebell at October 17, 2021 06:27 PM (wyw4S)

69 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 17, 2021 06:26 PM (llXky)

Did you mount it on that canoe?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 17, 2021 06:28 PM (q/nmF)

70 Liking the look of that Model 41

Posted by: Draki at October 17, 2021 06:28 PM (JxiZo)

71 Yay! Gubs!

Have fun at the TXMoMe, y'all. Would love to have been there, but, life intervenes. God willing, I'll see you at the NoVaMoMe 2022.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 17, 2021 06:28 PM (rBtIz)

72 I used to shoot hard drives to destroy them.

I thought it would be interesting to shoot a 3.5 inch hard drive with my 243, using a 75 grain hollow point slug moving at about 3400 fps, Probably still better than 3000 fps when it hit the hard drive.

I expected the bullet to explode when it hit the hard drive, but, to my surprise, it just poked a neat little 6mm hole through the platters.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at October 17, 2021 06:30 PM (2SdPm)

73 If they're not nice he can remind them at least out to 600 yards why that's a bad idea. Probably farther than that, so listen to bluebell.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at October 17, 2021 06:24 PM (SchxB)
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I believe he was the US champ at 1000 so I'd watch my step if I were you.

Posted by: bluebell at October 17, 2021 06:30 PM (wyw4S)

74 Hey there Weasel. Hey there fellow gun nuts...
Made it to the range fairly early Monday about, let my self in, and had the entire range to myself.
About 50 rounds, got the scope adjusted. Yay me.
This being Wyoming, very windy. Right to left, hard and steady. Anyone have an ap to measure the velocity? Maybe a hand held wind speed indicator? Ideas?
I am bringing a full Sharon of 22LR, 38 special, wad cutter and round nose, lots of 9mm, 45 ACP, 45 LC and 460 magnum for the 460. 400 ish rounds for the AR also...
SEE YA'LL THURSDAY EVENING!!!!!
Jesse in DC, and the lovely SiD

Posted by: jesse in dc at October 17, 2021 06:31 PM (kTRt4)

75 My pathetic memory vaguely recalls some really cool and well done holiday "wreath" made of cartridges (?). Something like that. But never garlands (though those would be pretty easy with cartridge cases).

Related, my 3-caliber cigar punch set seems to work well. 30-06, 38 special, and 45 Colt cases, mouths chamfered to an edge. Drilled out the primer pockets to facilitate clearing tobacco plugs out of 'em. Used the 45 Colt on the Camacho (ring gauge 60) today - perfect.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 06:32 PM (OTzUX)

76 God willing, I'll see you at the NoVaMoMe 2022.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 17, 2021 06:28 PM (rBtIz)
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There's going to be a NoVaMoMe in 2022?

Posted by: bluebell at October 17, 2021 06:32 PM (wyw4S)

77 Did you mount it on that canoe?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 17, 2021 06:28 PM (q/nmF)
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Yep. Even fired it.

Once.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 17, 2021 06:32 PM (llXky)

78 Btw, Tennessee has the slowest most backwards drivers in the U.S.
Posted by: Y5

Not true. AZ has them all winter long. When I first moved here there was a car ahead of us, fast lane, in town, 3 lane freeway, that didn't look right. I got over to the 'slow' lane and went on by.
They were backing up to get to the offramp they had missed. (way before cell phones so we couldn't warn anyone.)

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 17, 2021 06:33 PM (Ug6Gb)

79 Two days and a wake-up!
Well, half a day of pretending to work, then hoping that SW is actually flying.
The things going in my rifle case may be bumping up against the fifty pound limit.

Posted by: RI Red at October 17, 2021 06:33 PM (CJtAX)

80 There's going to be a NoVaMoMe in 2022?
Posted by: bluebell at October 17, 2021 06:32 PM (wyw4S)

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*whispers*

*cutting boards for raffle prizes*

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at October 17, 2021 06:33 PM (2SdPm)

81 By the way, weasel, thanks for the thread. I've done the travel posting before and it's sort of a pain in the butt.

Good job!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at October 17, 2021 06:34 PM (2SdPm)

82 Schmeisser MP-28.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 17, 2021 06:19 PM (R/m4+)
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Bergmann, designed by Schmeisser.

Though Schmeisser does have a certain weaponish sound to it.

"Du! Bringst du mich Meine Schmeisser. SCHNELL!"

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 17, 2021 06:34 PM (llXky)

83 *cutting boards for raffle prizes*
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at October 17, 2021 06:33 PM (2SdPm)
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Oh wow. Guess I need to talk to Weasel.

Posted by: bluebell at October 17, 2021 06:35 PM (wyw4S)

84 Posted by: butch at October 17, 2021 06:16 PM (cHvOo)
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I've heard the PTR clones are pretty good. I've tried a PTR-91 (an HK-91/G3 clone) and it was really nice.

Posted by: Thicc Boi at October 17, 2021 06:35 PM (zThcc)

85 butch at October 17, 2021 06:16 PM (cHvOo)

PTR is a decent clone. Their version includes a welded Picatinny rail on top. HK's don't have a rail. There are others out there, but I haven't seen much of them lately. I think everybody wants one. Expect to pay full retail price.
What does the HK have that the clones don't? Two things. First, it has a ambidextrous safety that's more ergonomic for your thumb to manipulate. Second, the HK includes the MP5F (latest update) improvements internally, which means that the gun is rated to take 9mm +P+ ammo which is typically found in European SMGs. Is that worth the extra $1000-1500 for HK? Your call.

Posted by: Ed L at October 17, 2021 06:35 PM (NacE+)

86 bluebell, Camp MoMe is in high gear. We are going to have plenty of cooks in the kitchen and I am ecstatic.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 17, 2021 06:36 PM (pFI7y)

87 There's going to be a NoVaMoMe in 2022?
Posted by: bluebell at October 17, 2021 06:32 PM

A Moron can hope, can't he?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 17, 2021 06:37 PM (rBtIz)

88 Posted by: jesse in dc at October 17, 2021 06:31 PM (kTRt4)
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Part of the rifle clinic on Friday will be computing firing solutions with wind in the equation. It's a tricky skill to learn, but with practice you'll get it. It's really just a big math problem once you decide on the wind component.

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 06:37 PM (Iv1vt)

89 if it were all reversed, I would probably say the same.

prayers for everyone as well.

and a toast !

to Ace and the Moron Horde, prosperity, long life, & happiness !

Confusion to our enemies !

*tosses back a shot*
*makes "toast" gesture with full stein; quaffs*

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at October 17, 2021 06:37 PM (jDHSU)

90 Great video Weasel, I will never get to shoot one that's for sure. But his advice on getting a firearm you want can happen to many.

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2021 06:37 PM (2JoB8)

91 That Bee article about guns is on point. The Walter joke hits home.

Posted by: Draki at October 17, 2021 06:38 PM (JxiZo)

92 Shootin' match yesterday, handgun, mixture of paper and steel. A bit better/more rounds than has become the norm (though still no Rube Goldberg moving targets actuated by falling steel, as used to be common). Used the Springfield XD9, considering how little I've shot it lately, not too bad.

Several of the guys have very high-end and heavily customized guns (serious recreational competitors, go to regional matches, etc), but I'll remain in my "fix the shooter/not the gun" mode - of course it would be nice if I'd get around to fixing the shooter with more practice.

On stages with movement I also keep a strictly practical, as opposed to competitive (time) approach, so I use cover and always move while shooting when that's applicable. Much harder, more fun.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 06:38 PM (OTzUX)

93 RMBS, I think you need to have a NEMoMe. The good thing about planning it is you get to decide when and where.

Posted by: bluebell at October 17, 2021 06:38 PM (wyw4S)

94
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at October 17, 2021 06:34 PM (2SdPm)
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Thanks! I was a little worried about having a good connection when I pressed the big red button, but it worked while I was sitting in the parking lot behind my car in a lawn chair smoking a cigar!

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 06:39 PM (Iv1vt)

95 Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2021 06:37 PM (2JoB
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Thanks Skip. My buddy Geoff is a great guy.

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 06:40 PM (Iv1vt)

96
On stages with movement I also keep a strictly practical, as opposed to competitive (time) approach, so I use cover and always move while shooting when that's applicable. Much harder, more fun.
Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 06:38 PM (OTzUX)
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Same drill when I'm shooting IDPA. Shoot to maintain proficiency, not to win matches.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at October 17, 2021 06:40 PM (2SdPm)

97 once you decide on the wind component.
Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 06:37 PM (Iv1vt

Yeah, the one thing you have to eyeball, that changes consistently for every yard downrange.
Other than that, yeah, just math.

Posted by: RI Red at October 17, 2021 06:40 PM (CJtAX)

98 When traveling you need to do as you are comfortable, my traveling out of the metropolitan east was always 0 dark thirty-one get away from population before they get up.

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2021 06:40 PM (2JoB8)

99 Did I read somewhere that British/French troops in WWI referred to all German machine guns as "Schmeissers"? Of course they were referring to belt-fed, full machine guns, not subs.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 06:41 PM (OTzUX)

100 Thanks! I was a little worried about having a good connection when I pressed the big red button, but it worked while I was sitting in the parking lot behind my car in a lawn chair smoking a cigar!
Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 06:39 PM (Iv1vt)
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You weren't sure about the red buttons were you? Otherwise, sitting outside away from dwellings seems, shall we say, a bit on the cautious side?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at October 17, 2021 06:41 PM (2SdPm)

101 Weasel and MoMeeters, have fun next week.

A note on what I said last week, had to inventory safes, go through house for missing armaments, and check off serials, some were missing so had to find out about those. Turned out they were loaners and gifted already. So, if you are getting up in years, take notes about where your firearms are as stuff can disappear and this can cause disappointment if not known. Also follow state and federal laws regarding transfers.

Safety reminder, when clearing a safe, make double sure to be careful and check each firearm as it comes out for being loaded. Follow the firearm safety rules when taking out arms from the safe. Taking shotguns out of safes without knowing if they are loaded is not particularly fun as many shotguns are not drop safe. Ditto for many older handguns and some rifles. Found a Ruger P89 cocked which I gingerly opened the slide to find nothing in the chamber.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 06:42 PM (9hXN1)

102 Yeah, the one thing you have to eyeball, that changes consistently for every yard downrange.
Other than that, yeah, just math.
Posted by: RI Red at October 17, 2021 06:40 PM (CJtAX)
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I shot a match earlier this year where the wind was swirling so badly and so inconsistently, you were better off holding dead on rather than trying to call the wind. Fun match though.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at October 17, 2021 06:43 PM (2SdPm)

103 Posted by: RI Red at October 17, 2021 06:33 PM

To bad you are not closer. I am schlepping someones toy for them, Probably could have fit your case too.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 17, 2021 06:43 PM (q/nmF)

104 Ed L does your clone require +P, or at least fairly hot, 9mm to function? I'd read that "NATO"-designated 9mm (I have a box somewhere) was hotter precisely to work in sub-machine guns. I don't mean the NATO cross on the headstamp, but actual "NATO" in the ammo label.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 06:43 PM (OTzUX)

105 I thought this was the Gin Thread?

Posted by: Daniel Craig at October 17, 2021 06:43 PM (gCX2V)

106 Posted by: RI Red at October 17, 2021 06:40 PM (CJtAX)
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I learned to read wind shooting on a big hay farm in the rolling Piedmont area of Virginia, and the were sometimes as many as three and even four wind vectors present for a given shot. When I started competing on big flat military rifle ranges, I thought it was easy (for a few minutes).

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 06:44 PM (Iv1vt)

107 Liking the look of that Model 41

I'm a High Standard fanboi but a Model 41 is on my lust list. Panhandler (anyone seen him around in a while?) brought one to the MoMe two years ago and I almost couldn't put it down.

A couple of MoMe questions. First, is anyone interested in doing a sort of tailgate swap meet? I have a couple pounds of powder that I don't need and I might even be convinced to loosen my steely grasp on a half-carton of Federal GM210M and/or GM150M.

Second, what happens to the collected brass? I would be willing to take it home, sort it, divy it up among whoever wants some, and mail it.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 17, 2021 06:44 PM (nfrXX)

108 So I am in South Carolina visiting my parents and thought to myself, Self, why don't you take the opportunity to go to the Greenville retail outlet of Palmetto State Armory. I like PSA and have bought stuff from them online, usually discounted. I don't know what I was expecting but I was underwhelmed. It was just a gun store.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at October 17, 2021 06:44 PM (OYUie)

109 I've heard the PTR clones are pretty good. I've tried a PTR-91 (an HK-91/G3 clone) and it was really nice.
Posted by: Thicc Boi at October 17, 2021 06:35 PM (zThcc)

Keeps your eyes open for a Springfield SAR-3's or overstamped 3 with an 8.

Springfield brought them in from Greece back in the day made on actual H&K machines in Greece.

Very collectible and still a little cheaper than an H&K 91 and basically the same thing.

Stay away from the SAR-8's.....different receiver (aluminum?) but they look the same. SAR-8's will not have "Made In Greece" stamped on them.

I like PTR.....quality rifles and worth the money.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 17, 2021 06:45 PM (R/m4+)

110
You weren't sure about the red buttons were you? Otherwise, sitting outside away from dwellings seems, shall we say, a bit on the cautious side?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at October 17, 2021 06:41 PM (2SdPm)
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I really should not be allowed to use technology while unsupervised.

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 06:45 PM (Iv1vt)

111 whig I follow a more total safety regimen wherein no live round is ever chambered away from the firing line (range, desert, wherever). "Home defense" tools are one rack away from being ready, and of course revolvers (sometimes the bedside gub) have all their chambers loaded. But, revolvers.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 06:46 PM (OTzUX)

112 I rarely post here. My first post in ages and spell check gives me M1 Garlands. Sheesh! But in fact, it would be accurate to say that there were garlands of Garands!

Posted by: Mr. Leggy at October 17, 2021 06:46 PM (RnaTn)

113 "I say it all of the time, but the .22LR is a very capable (and fun!) training round,"

Training round? Maybe you should check into the fibbie stats on which caliber is used for the majority of murders in this country.

Hint: It's not .45ACP or 9mm.

Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at October 17, 2021 06:46 PM (Ocv6A)

114 Posted by: Oddbob at October 17, 2021 06:44 PM (nfrXX)

You are welcome to any of my .308 brass

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 17, 2021 06:47 PM (q/nmF)

115 Lucked out today. Someone I know found a box of black English flints he got from Dixie Gun Works decades ago. He no longer uses flintlocks so I was able to get about 60 flints for a few bucks. These are smaller than I use in my rifles but should be fine in the pistols. Considering they cost 2 to 3 dollars apiece these days, it feels like I won a lottery. This is basically a lifetime supply.

Posted by: JTB at October 17, 2021 06:47 PM (7EjX1)

116 Listen; if someone is smart enough and persistent enough, they will manage to break into and steal your firearms. Don't care what it's in or where.

That said, they will have a time limit that they may be aware of and will be forced to move on if your firearms are hidden well and/or well protected from theft as in difficult to move. You can use safes, locking cables, bolts, cages, traps, alarms bells. Whatever to make them less likely to persist in your case due to noise or injury or inability to access. I got with about 50% difficult to find and 50% locked down in some way.

One thing you want to keep in mind. Where and how many firearms you have is not for casual conversation unless it's people who don't know where you live or who you are. Even then be cautious and quiet about things. Op Sec you know.

Posted by: jakee308 at October 17, 2021 06:47 PM (H5Y9p)

117
Second, what happens to the collected brass? I would be willing to take it home, sort it, divy it up among whoever wants some, and mail it.
Posted by: Oddbob at October 17, 2021 06:44 PM (nfrXX)
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Very kind offer! I think the last few years we've collected spent brass in a bucket for Rancher Bob.

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 06:48 PM (Iv1vt)

118 I saw earlier Ammoman had abundant.380.
Finally.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 17, 2021 06:49 PM (axyOa)

119 6 Evening everyone!!! Hello from an undisclosed hotel located in Knoxville. Tennessee. Just finished having a burger and a brew after almost 12 hours behind the wheel. How is everyone tonight?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 17, 2021 06:05 PM (q/nmF)


Knoxville to Corsicana, with a side trip through Anniston between Knoxville and Birmingham, is only about fifty miles further than Knoxville trough Birmingham directly (I-59). Just saying.

Posted by: Javems at October 17, 2021 06:49 PM (AmoqO)

120 just got back from visiting my lawyer.... why are LA freeways just as crowded on the weekend?

Herself said something this weekend, while she was home about me going to the MoMe by myself this year...

pointed out that there's no one to feed the cats, and i would have no secure places to RON carrying weapons.... sigh.

there's always next year though. pretty sure, if employment stays steady for her, that you'll see both of us. (if we can figure out the cat situation)

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it at October 17, 2021 06:50 PM (TQ41L)

121 rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 06:41 PM (OTzUX)

I've shot it w/ a bunch of different brass cased 9mm ammo and it works just fine, +P or not. No misfeeds or jams to date after about 500+ rounds.

Posted by: Ed L at October 17, 2021 06:50 PM (NacE+)

122 Very kind offer! I think the last few years we've collected spent brass in a bucket for Rancher Bob.

He certain should have first dibs on everything. I just remember seeing it all go into trash bags but didn't know where the bags went. Would be a shame if they went in the trash.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 17, 2021 06:51 PM (nfrXX)

123 Hint: It's not .45ACP or 9mm.
Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at October 17, 2021 06:46 PM (Ocv6A)

Yep. People go with what they have and a .22 is very common and cheap and easy to use so it's high on the list of a gun someone might have around. Shocked me too at first until you think about it.

Interestingly, I do not have a .22 pistol. Hmm I need to correct that situation but the prices are ridiculous these days.

Posted by: jakee308 at October 17, 2021 06:51 PM (H5Y9p)

124 Posted by: Javems at October 17, 2021 06:49 PM (AmoqO)

Hey James, unfortunately I am not heading to Corsicana right now. I am headed to the Texas panhandle first (somewhere around Amarillo) before turning around and going to Corsicana.

So I have many a mile to go. Getting up early to get as much mileage as possible

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 17, 2021 06:53 PM (q/nmF)

125 Did I read somewhere that British/French troops in WWI referred to all German machine guns as "Schmeissers"? Of course they were referring to belt-fed, full machine guns, not subs.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 06:41 PM (OTzUX)

I think they're referencing the MP-18s used by the German sturmtruppen in the 1918 spring offensives. The MP-18 was the first SMG fielded in significant numbers and used as such.

Posted by: Ed L at October 17, 2021 06:53 PM (NacE+)

126 111, I actually keep semi autos for home defense loaded in a fast access handgun safe but all of them have at least two safeties involved whether grip and trigger, safety and trigger, etc. And the models I have are drop safe. Longarms are in loader safe with nothing in the chamber but available at short notice.

But, I was clearing someone else's safe and noting serials etc., condition, pix, etc. for estate purposes. This person had memory problems and people had borrowed and returned some of the firearms so clearing the safe was an adventure.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 06:53 PM (9hXN1)

127 " ...
Interestingly, I do not have a .22 pistol. Hmm I need to correct that situation but the prices are ridiculous these days.

Posted by: jakee308 at October 17, 2021 06:51 PM (H5Y9p) "

3 words

Heritage Rough Rider

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at October 17, 2021 06:54 PM (jDHSU)

128 At last! The long dry spell is broken!!

Posted by: The Fans of WeaselDog at October 17, 2021 06:54 PM (a3Q+t)

129 123 Jakee308, the Heritage Single Action revolver or the comparable Ruger Single Action Rangler are both affordable and well below two bills.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 06:55 PM (9hXN1)

130 108 So I am in South Carolina visiting my parents and thought to myself, Self, why don't you take the opportunity to go to the Greenville retail outlet of Palmetto State Armory. I like PSA and have bought stuff from them online, usually discounted. I don't know what I was expecting but I was underwhelmed. It was just a gun store.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at October 17, 2021 06:44 PM (OYUie)

Just wanted to 2nd on the PSA. They've caught flack over the years for defects, but the customer service makes up for it.

Posted by: redchief at October 17, 2021 06:55 PM (Kab4E)

131 Posted by: The Fans of WeaselDog at October 17, 2021 06:54 PM (a3Q+t)
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I left home just before 5am and I already miss WD, FSJ, and WCv2 terribly. And WW, too!

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 06:56 PM (Iv1vt)

132
Heritage Rough Rider

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at October 17, 2021 06:54 PM (jDHSU)
Those just look like fun.

Posted by: redchief at October 17, 2021 06:56 PM (Kab4E)

133 Range report: decided to try out some different recoil mitigation techniques this morning at ESS so I brought along the .22LR AR (as usual) and a Beretta 92FS outfitted with a .22LR conversion kit.

After 50 rounds on each I came away pretty satisfied. Still need to practice more, was pulling to the left with the rifle and the pistol grouping had a few flyers, but overall it was a good day.

Posted by: Thicc Boi at October 17, 2021 06:56 PM (zThcc)

134 Getting psyched up for TxMoMe!

I lol'd at f'd pic of hard drive disposal. Mrs. Honda and I were just discussing a similar topic.

If we happened to have some hard drives that need "attention" would it be appropriate to bring them to the MoMe?

Posted by: Honda at October 17, 2021 06:57 PM (R7LyT)

135 Hey everybody! Hey gun thread! Hey Weasel!

That poor hard drive. It must have contained information that could lead to Hillary's arrest.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 17, 2021 06:57 PM (L2ZTs)

136 And, big SIGH about missing the TX MoMee again.

My only hope to attend at this stage is to buy some California Lottery scratchers and hope for a big win.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 17, 2021 06:58 PM (L2ZTs)

137 Also, for those of you bringing rifles to the MoMe, I managed to cram my Lab Radar chronograph into the trunk, so it will be available to chrono whatever ammo you are using, if you're interested.

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 06:58 PM (Iv1vt)

138 Taurus, which owns Heritage now, also has a model with both a .22 LR and a .22 WMR (.22 Magnum) cylinders that you can shoot both cartridges and it is only slightly higher than the .22 LR only. Dunno if you can buy the .22 WMR cylinder separately. A bit suboptimal on accuracy for .22 WMR but accurate enough at close range.

Their revolvers even have a safety so decent as a first handgun for training people.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 06:59 PM (9hXN1)

139 And WW, too!

Nice save, Weasel!

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 17, 2021 06:59 PM (Xrfse)

140 sadly, g'night everyone, & thanks as always, Weasel !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at October 17, 2021 06:59 PM (jDHSU)

141 Another vote for the Heritage Rough Rider. Probably the best value for 22lr fun shooting. (Besides, I like single action revolvers.) And for under 200 bucks you can get the model with the extra 22 mag cylinder.

Posted by: JTB at October 17, 2021 07:00 PM (7EjX1)

142 Swap meet Heck yeah.
I have about 450 rounds of 303 british, mostly HXP ( Greek)
No more 303 guns...
I have a CMP 03A3 with paperwork
And perhaps a S&W model 60.
Rick will be there with his FFL...

Posted by: jesse in dc at October 17, 2021 07:00 PM (kTRt4)

143 Everyone, also, I found this at FB.

Good reminder of the importance of using dangerous items safely!

https://tinyurl.com/82pwsnvn

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 17, 2021 07:00 PM (L2ZTs)

144 Posted by: Honda at October 17, 2021 06:57 PM (R7LyT)
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I'd have to check with RancherBob. Not sure how he'd feel about pieces of blowed-up hard drives in his field!

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 07:01 PM (Iv1vt)

145 Interestingly, I do not have a .22 pistol. Hmm I need to correct that situation but the prices are ridiculous these days.

Posted by: jakee308 at October 17, 2021 06:51 PM (H5Y9p)
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It depends on what you want. I wanted something with a long barrel and target sights suitable for precision shooting. If you don't mind going used, you can get one for a touch under $300. Mine ran $299 but was billed as NIB.

If you are willing to accept a shorter barrel length and non-adjustable sights, you can get into something for little over $100. Heritage Arms has a "Barkeep" that's stupid cheap.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 17, 2021 07:01 PM (llXky)

146
Dunno if you can buy the .22 WMR cylinder separately.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 06:59 PM


yes, you can. it's $30-ish from Heritage; drops right in

I prefer the .22WMR, if for no other reason than it's easier to load through the gate

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 17, 2021 07:03 PM (DUIap)

147 So I have many a mile to go. Getting up early to get as much mileage as possible

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 17, 2021 06:53 PM (q/nmF)


OK, drive safe. Hope to meet you there.

Posted by: Javems at October 17, 2021 07:03 PM (AmoqO)

148 Ben Had,

Do you want me to bring the "thing" to do the "stuff" like we discussed???

Posted by: lin-duh at October 17, 2021 07:03 PM (UUBmN)

149 hope for a big win.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 17, 2021 06:58 PM (L2ZTs)
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hope is NOT a plan...

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it at October 17, 2021 07:04 PM (TQ41L)

150 146 Thanks Alton Jackson

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 07:05 PM (9hXN1)

151 red, true.
Which is why I hope to start saving for the next TX MoMee trip in November.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 17, 2021 07:05 PM (L2ZTs)

152 Oops, did I say hope to start saving??

I mean to say, WILL start saving. WILL do it!!

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 17, 2021 07:05 PM (L2ZTs)

153 Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at October 17, 2021 06:59 PM (jDHSU)
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Adios, amigo! My pleasure.

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 07:06 PM (Iv1vt)

154 "Taurus, which owns Heritage now, also has a model with both a .22 LR and a .22 WMR (.22 Magnum) cylinders that you can shoot both cartridges and it is only slightly higher than the .22 LR only. Dunno if you can buy the .22 WMR cylinder separately. A bit suboptimal on accuracy for .22 WMR but accurate enough at close range. "

That would be the Rough Rider or the Bar Keep Special. I have one of each and yes, you can buy the cylinders separately. $30.00 was the last I looked.

Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at October 17, 2021 07:06 PM (Ocv6A)

155 Plus shipping!!!

Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at October 17, 2021 07:07 PM (Ocv6A)

156 Folks, I am calling it a night. Early day tomorrow and many miles ahead.

Weasel, thanks once again for an informative and entertaining thread.

I shall see you on Wednesday!!

Night all !!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 17, 2021 07:08 PM (q/nmF)

157 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 17, 2021 07:08 PM (q/nmF)
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See you then! Have a safe trip!

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 07:09 PM (Iv1vt)

158 The Ruger SR22 is a nice little compact .22 LR pistol. I've introduced several folks to shooting with it. Fun gub.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 17, 2021 07:09 PM (Xrfse)

159 Speaking of firearm storage, the firearms that I have been inventorying were stored for over two years with RIG grease covering the outside metal surfaces and inside the bore and chamber. Then the firearms were stored inside sealed plastic anticorrosion bags bought off Amazon. No sign of rust or deterioration despite one of the safes being in non airconditioned space.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 07:10 PM (9hXN1)

160 @130 the PSA retail outlet in Columbia is big. They have lots and lots of guns.

But the online division seems to be a different deal than retail. Different products and different prices.

Posted by: blaster at October 17, 2021 07:10 PM (mbFEM)

161 lin-duh, yes if it isn't a hassel for you.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 17, 2021 07:11 PM (pFI7y)

162 jesse in dc if I were there I'd probably be quite interested in the 03A3. Just want one historic milsurp bolt in 30-06 for all the usual reasons, plus I already reload the caliber.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 07:11 PM (OTzUX)

163 Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 07:10 PM (9hXN1)
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Can you email me a link to the bags?

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 07:11 PM (Iv1vt)

164 And more importantly, one of the safes that I have been checking off the firearms in has Chinese drywall installed as its fire walls with all its corrosive nature (contains anaerobic bacteria generating hydrogen sulfide gas) and not a bit of the firearms inside have been harmed. Course, also have zerust cartridges in that safe as well.

Be careful buying a used firearm safe of a certain vintage--when the big box stores quit buying Chinese drywall due to its corrosion of things like copper pipes and other metals, they sold some to gun safe manufacturers with bad consequences.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 07:14 PM (9hXN1)

165 If we're talking .22 semi-auto pistols, the S&W M&P 22 is nice, in my experience. Handling/ergos very much typical of larger caliber semis. Shoots about as accurately as you'd expect from a 22 semi. Have fed it or 6 kinds of ammo, only the occasional (probably inevitable) occasional failure to eject/failure to feed - but very occasional.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 07:14 PM (OTzUX)

166 Do you want me to bring the "thing" to do the "stuff" like we discussed???
Posted by: lin-duh at October 17, 2021 07:03 PM

The "thing" is the Shoulder Thing that Goes Up, correct?

Asking for the Thread, as that is something near and dear to its readers and contributors.

Posted by: Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) at October 17, 2021 07:16 PM (a3Q+t)

167 I like my Heritage Rough Rider too!! I'm trying out my prototype bullet catcher at the range in the morning and I figured out how to make my chronograph work indoors. Very shortly I hope to be able to do load development at home. I've always wanted to make one bullet, shoot it over the chrono, inspect my brass and go from there. Everybody have a great time at the Mo-Me, I know you'll have a blast.

Posted by: ck at October 17, 2021 07:17 PM (iBg56)

168 Whig, any advice for firearm related leather goods (slings, holsters, etc.), especially older ones? Picked up a 1943 Colt M1911A1 a while back that came w/ a full set of web gear, including a holster and ammo pouches. I know how to clean and lube the pistol, but I'm a bit lost regarding the leather holster. I came in during the last days of issued leather holsters and these were treated as "semi-expendable" (i.e. turn in and get another if it wears out), but a vintage holster doesn't fall into that category.

Posted by: Ed L at October 17, 2021 07:17 PM (NacE+)

169 Lookin' like some nice weather for the TxMoMeet, just thought I'd mention.

I'll be on the road first thing Wednesday morning. See y'all then!


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 17, 2021 07:17 PM (QzJWU)

170 Zerust rifle VCI 5 pack bags. https://tinyurl.com/4ntrerzu
Zerust handgun VCI 10 pack bags. https://tinyurl.com/45243u7v

The Zerust bags have the traditional ziplock type seal, you can get some others that you either have to tape or heat seal for a bit less.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 07:18 PM (9hXN1)

171 Well, I made it to the Gun Thread. No range report as I had hoped, 'cause work is sh** right now. But at least I have Da Thread.

I hope y'all have lots of fun in Tx. Some day I hope to make it.

Posted by: GWB at October 17, 2021 07:18 PM (4IP5D)

172 If you are going to shoot hard drives, don't get too close. Little bits go flying everywhere.

Also, make sure whoever owns the range doesn't mind the debris.

Posted by: f'd at October 17, 2021 07:19 PM (Tnijr)

173 I want to Thank each and every one of you coming to the TXMoMe. You all have given time and treasure to be here and it is greatly appreciated. A special Thank You for all of those that have chosen to make your first MoMe in Texas and may you have many more.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 17, 2021 07:21 PM (pFI7y)

174 173 I want to Thank each and every one of you coming to the TXMoMe. You all have given time and treasure to be here and it is greatly appreciated. A special Thank You for all of those that have chosen to make your first MoMe in Texas and may you have many more.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 17, 2021 07:21 PM (pFI7y)


Thanks, hope to meet you there.

Posted by: Javems at October 17, 2021 07:22 PM (AmoqO)

175 Jim, Darlin!

Posted by: Ben Had at October 17, 2021 07:23 PM (pFI7y)

176 Did my weekly check at ammoseek and boy, reloading component situation still pretty grim (for online sources).

Powder still basically not there - a few types in 1-lb size, prices above "normal". Primers, more availability, but ..... $$$. A few were 3-5 times "normal" price.

Usual pattern. First, availability returns. Then, prices drift downward. Still in the first phase, it appears.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 07:23 PM (OTzUX)

177 Welp, early night. Thanks again, Weasel!

Everyone have fun and be sure to keep those wifi jammers going.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 17, 2021 07:23 PM (llXky)

178 Ben Had!


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 17, 2021 07:23 PM (QzJWU)

179 168 Ed L. Whatever you do, do not use neatsfoot oil. Start with brushing off dirt with a soft bristle brush, then saddlesoap and damp sponge. From there apply your conditioning etc. Galco Gunleather makes appropriate cleaners and conditioning products which you can buy from Amazon or other places.

For full restoration, try this link for DIY https://tinyurl.com/2cfkuvkf

FWIW, I have comparable period holsters for some of my old revolvers that I have to keep up. I do not advise longterm storage of a firearm in a leather holster as the tannin can do bad things to the handgun finish.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 07:24 PM (9hXN1)

180 Weasel! Thanks for the thread. Went to the range today with my H&KVP9SK. Everything went really well. Enjoying my Mantis device. A neighbor had a new gun, he was shooting consistently low and left. Using the Mantis we got some ideas about what he should do differently.

Now to watch the gun safe video

Posted by: MikeM at October 17, 2021 07:25 PM (5Y7fX)

181 163 Weasel, I will try to do so on the link. I also put the tiny url to the Zerust bags that I used above if it does not go through. Don't have access to my email right here and now as on phone link today.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 07:26 PM (9hXN1)

182 Javems I be the official welcoming committee.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 17, 2021 07:26 PM (pFI7y)

183 Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 07:18 PM (9hXN1)
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Thanks

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 07:26 PM (Iv1vt)

184 If you see a gub in or about Castelo de Eromero it's loaded. No kids here and cat nor dog has opposable thumbs.

Posted by: Eromero at October 17, 2021 07:27 PM (0OP+5)

185 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 17, 2021 07:23 PM (llXky)
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Nite AHL!

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 07:28 PM (Iv1vt)

186 Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 07:26 PM (9hXN1)
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No worries. Got it. Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 07:28 PM (Iv1vt)

187 Thank you Ben Had for all you do for this group of sportos, the motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, waistoids, dweebies, d*ckheads -- we all adore you.

We think you're a righteous 'ette. xoxoxo

Posted by: Tonypete at October 17, 2021 07:29 PM (mD/uy)

188 This week our pal f'd shares the proper method of old hard drive disposal.
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That'll buff right out.

Posted by: Earl Scheib at October 17, 2021 07:29 PM (WD9ZA)

189 Posted by: MikeM at October 17, 2021 07:25 PM (5Y7fX)
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My pleasure, MikeM!

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 07:29 PM (Iv1vt)

190 176 rhomboid, try one of your local gunstores that handles reloading supplies. Where I am right now has one that has shelves full of powder of different sorts including the 8 lb jugs. No primers though. I am seeing a lot more powder out there but you have to move in a day or so to buy it and then it is gone. Bullets are now in good supply, brass in some calibers is still constrained.

During one of the shortages, the owner of a local gun store explained that he expected it around the 2008 election and thus booked orders for powder at the shotshow for the following year. Thus, he kept in supply of reloading and ammo supplies while others including the big box retailers did not.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 07:30 PM (9hXN1)

191 I live alone. I have a pistol for self defense if someone forces their way into my dwelling. It makes no sense for it to be locked in a safe, with a trigger lock and the ammo locked away in a separate location. Why even own a gun.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 17, 2021 07:30 PM (U2p+3)

192 Ammoland has a PPK/S for $229.00.

Sure. A week after I buy the Bar Keep.

They planned this.

Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at October 17, 2021 07:32 PM (Ocv6A)

193 Posted by: nurse ratched at October 17, 2021 07:30 PM (U2p+3)
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It's a common courtesy for most bad guys to delay their entry until the occupant has sorted out all of their self-defense gear.

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 07:32 PM (Iv1vt)

194 I thought of the gun thread:

Gyro-jet!

https://tinyurl.com/f8eb2yfa

Posted by: Kindltot at October 17, 2021 07:32 PM (KbLYZ)

195 Sorry. I'm in a foul mood. Tired of being told what I am allowed to do. And what I have to do to participate in society.

Thank you for the thread weasel.
Love you morons. Well, most of you.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 17, 2021 07:32 PM (U2p+3)

196 Zerust also makes vapor capsules for safes, etc. and this releases anti corrosion vapors over time into the enclosed container. I can recommend both except possibly in marine or coastal areas. In those areas, I would combine protections.

Another recommendation is Sentry Solutions Tuf-Glide dry lubricant for items like gun magazines after you clean them out.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 07:33 PM (9hXN1)

197 Posted by: nurse ratched at October 17, 2021 07:32 PM (U2p+3)
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See you in a few days!

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 07:34 PM (Iv1vt)

198 Early night tonight. Think I may need some refilling of the sleep account before Wednesday.
See you soon, Weasel, Ben, et al!

Posted by: RI Red at October 17, 2021 07:34 PM (CJtAX)

199 Good evening, Horde!

Wonderful thread, Weasel. I won't get through most of the content til tomorrow, cuz I'm kinda occupied right now.

SEE YOU ALL IN TEXAS!!!

Posted by: Ladyl at October 17, 2021 07:34 PM (+4oV5)

200 173 I want to Thank each and every one of you coming to the TXMoMe. You all have given time and treasure to be here and it is greatly appreciated. A special Thank You for all of those that have chosen to make your first MoMe in Texas and may you have many more.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 17, 2021 07:21 PM
We gone git 'er done this week. I feel like Flounder in Animal House.

Posted by: Eromero at October 17, 2021 07:34 PM (0OP+5)

201 Love you morons. Well, most of you.
Posted by: nurse ratched

Uh-oh.

Posted by: JT at October 17, 2021 07:35 PM (arJlL)

202 nurse ratched, I understand completely.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 17, 2021 07:35 PM (L2ZTs)

203 Posted by: Ladyl at October 17, 2021 07:34 PM (+4oV5)
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Happy to do it, Ladyl! See you in a few days too! And I am bringing your favorite 600 yd rifle.

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 07:35 PM (Iv1vt)

204 99 Did I read somewhere that British/French troops in WWI referred to all German machine guns as "Schmeissers"? Of course they were referring to belt-fed, full machine guns, not subs.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 06:41 PM (OTzUX)


I think they Allies called those guns "Spandaus." Because they were marked with the city where they were made: Spandau. Near Berlin, IIRC. No idea what the manufacturing company was named.

Posted by: Gref at October 17, 2021 07:36 PM (AMIL/)

205 191 Nurse, I agree with your strategy. I do the same thing in keeping my home defense pistols loaded except keep mine in a fast access gunsafe. When I carry, I have it loaded as well.

The only caveat is if I had a weapon that was not drop safe or longarms in a storage rack for use.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 07:36 PM (9hXN1)

206 Posted by: RI Red at October 17, 2021 07:34 PM (CJtAX)
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See you soon, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 07:36 PM (Iv1vt)

207 Love you morons. Well, most of you.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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Me, surely?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at October 17, 2021 07:37 PM (Dc2NZ)

208 Love you morons. Well, most of you.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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Me, surely?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord

Don't call her Shirley !

Posted by: JT at October 17, 2021 07:38 PM (arJlL)

209 Love you morons. Well, most of you.
Posted by: n




Back atcha

Posted by: Y5 at October 17, 2021 07:38 PM (AvLev)

210 Don Surber has a great piece on Ace's takedowns of Jonah Goldberg et al at his blog. He posted it yesterday.

https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2021/10/
i-just-checked-jonah-goldberg-is-still.html

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 17, 2021 07:38 PM (L2ZTs)

211 Schmeissers were named after the firearms designer even in the 2nd WW where Schmeisser had nothing much to do with the MP 40 design.

Spandau was the location of one of the royal German arsenals. Danzig and Erfurt were others.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 07:39 PM (9hXN1)

212 Thanks for the info, Whig. That's helpful. The DIY restoration at the link is incredible when comparing the "before" and "after" pictures.

Posted by: Ed L at October 17, 2021 07:39 PM (NacE+)

213 nurse, back atcha (I hope I'm on the 'love' list)
:-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 17, 2021 07:39 PM (L2ZTs)

214 nurse, you are gonna get a big enough dose of anti-insanity to last you at least six months and then I'm going to drag your ass back to Texas.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 17, 2021 07:39 PM (pFI7y)

215 Oops, forgot to ask. I have a "cowboy hat". If I bring it, does it make me an honorary Texan or a poseur?
Just hoping to get on nurse's good side.

Posted by: RI Red at October 17, 2021 07:40 PM (CJtAX)

216 Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 07:36 PM (9hXN1)

Yeah, I now live alone. I won't say the single action colt is loaded and in its holster hanging off the headboard of my bed.

Because that is illegal here... would never do something like that.

And Farrah Fawcett.... whom I've slept with... yeah...

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 17, 2021 07:40 PM (oHd/0)

217 whig fortunately I am not in the market for components. Did my own advance acquisition over the years since the '13 panic. I just mention the online situation for general FYI here.

I did buy a few 1-lb'ers of H110, directly from Hodgon, because 1) it's the only powder where there's any chance of near-term problem 2) I just happened to check availability at their site while looking up some load data. I do only the original load for the M1 carbine (110g FMJ and H110, xxg-xxg), and it's a household/friends going shooting favorite. Don't want to run short on that ammo.

No significant retail availability, generally, in my area. Only know of one store that has much in the way of reloading supplies/gear.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 07:41 PM (OTzUX)

218 Gref, that's probably it - "spandaus". Some kind of generic name Allied troops adopted for German autos.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 07:43 PM (OTzUX)

219 For full restoration, try this link for DIY
Posted by: whig
Jeesh, thank you. Just read that link. Incredible job.

Posted by: MikeM at October 17, 2021 07:43 PM (5Y7fX)

220 Rhomboid - I edited your comment to exclude the powder charge info. Thanks for understanding!

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 07:43 PM (Iv1vt)

221 To all TxMoMe cultists: Be prepared to see your standard .22LR/Mag and 9mm gubs, the vanilla or mayo of the gub world. Well, maybe a .45acp or two. No Webley .455 ta-pocketa ta-pocketa stuff form me.

Posted by: Eromero at October 17, 2021 07:43 PM (0OP+5)

222 Not true. AZ has them all winter long. When I first moved here there was a car ahead of us, fast lane, in town, 3 lane freeway, that didn't look right. I got over to the 'slow' lane and went on by.
They were backing up to get to the offramp they had missed. (way before cell phones so we couldn't warn anyone.)


Ot is some sort of cultural thing in TN. Was in behind some sort of weird 55mph square dance forever where the cars were side by side for dozens of cars. Weurd

Posted by: Y5 at October 17, 2021 07:43 PM (AvLev)

223 212 Ed L. you are welcome, you can also find some information on restoration leather care from people that restore antique saddles.

For old stocks, I use boiled linseed oil (the natural kind done in a double boiler, not the heavy metal kind), tung oil, and will probably try some birch oil/pine tar on some swede mauser stocks when I get around to it.

The antique web gear can stink a bit so try brushing off dirt, and either using woolite or dawn after testing the material for color fastness. However, in some cases, collecting value might be affected if that matters to you. Some collectors want stinky old stuff just as you found it--because patina.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 07:45 PM (9hXN1)

224 Hmmm, new frontiers in auto-correct? That was fourteen-point-five grains, to fifteen grains, of H110 for the M1 carbine ammo.

And by "problem" with H110 I meant my supply, nothing to do with the manufacturer. Just closer to "out" than I prefer, so, paid a bit more than usual and got some.

("more than usual" - think I only bought H110 once before, years and years ago, big jug, just now getting towards the bottom)

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 07:45 PM (OTzUX)

225 You may all go to heaven and I will go to Texas!

Posted by: Davey Javems at October 17, 2021 07:45 PM (AmoqO)

226 >>> 74 Hey there Weasel. Hey there fellow gun nuts...
Made it to the range fairly early Monday about, let my self in, and had the entire range to myself.
About 50 rounds, got the scope adjusted. Yay me.
This being Wyoming, very windy. Right to left, hard and steady. Anyone have an ap to measure the velocity? Maybe a hand held wind speed indicator? Ideas?
I am bringing a full Sharon of 22LR, 38 special, wad cutter and round nose, lots of 9mm, 45 ACP, 45 LC and 460 magnum for the 460. 400 ish rounds for the AR also...
SEE YA'LL THURSDAY EVENING!!!!!
Jesse in DC, and the lovely SiD
Posted by: jesse in dc at October 17, 2021 06:31 PM (kTRt4)

These are not cheap, but they're less than a good scope:
https://kestrelmeters.com/ collections/kestrel-ballistics
There are plenty of apps which will do calculations but I'm not aware of any device you can connect to a phone to get real-time local conditions.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 17, 2021 07:46 PM (ACi07)

227 Have you been to Ahia, Y5?
Posted by:




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Posted by: Y5 at October 17, 2021 07:46 PM (AvLev)

228 There is a photograph on eBay of Capt. Kirk and Mr. Spock in Chicago mob style of dress from the episode "A Piece of the Action." Each is holding a Thompson while crouching down in front of I think is a Pierce.

The photograph is autographed by both men. Price is $149 with a COA.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 17, 2021 07:47 PM (5VLt+)

229 Ah, Weasel, hadn't thought of it. Of course I'm within the published data for that load, but no problem. In fact it's one caliber where I have literally nothing to do but reload them properly. No horsing around with different charges or projectiles.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 07:48 PM (OTzUX)

230 Scored! Finally found a Lyman 2 cavity round ball bullet mould in .490 for a 50 cal Traditions Hawkins rifle. They have been impossible to find. I got the last one Midway had in stock.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 17, 2021 07:48 PM (OCTRt)

231 Sorry Weasel, just zap both comments if you haven't already.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 07:48 PM (OTzUX)

232 For those with less patience to restore an old oil finished rifle, LinSpeed sold by Brownells applies quickly and dries quickly in thin coats.

Make sure though you dispose of linseed or other oil turpentine, etc. soaked materials properly as they can spontaneously combust if not handled right.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 07:49 PM (9hXN1)

233 Welp, guys and gals, I'm fading pretty fast, so im going to get some sleep before getting up at oh-dark-hundred and hitting the road again.

Thank you all so much for being here every week, and I am really looking forward to seeing a bunch of you this week and doing some visiting and shooting together!

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 07:49 PM (Iv1vt)

234 Safe travels, Weasel.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 17, 2021 07:50 PM (Xrfse)

235 224 rhomboid, Weasel discourages load information being shared. I think he edited your post.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 07:50 PM (9hXN1)

236 Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 07:48 PM (OTzUX)
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Thanks.

Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 07:50 PM (Iv1vt)

237 Gonna sign out early tonight. Partly because I'm nodding and partly to encourage Weasel and all those on the road to get plenty of sleep.

Thanks, as always, to Weasel and everybody who participates in this excellent thread. It is a Sunday night pleasure.

Posted by: JTB at October 17, 2021 07:51 PM (7EjX1)

238 Have a safe trip Weasel and the save the blasting for after arrival.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 17, 2021 07:51 PM (5VLt+)

239 G'night Weasel. Be careful on the road; there's a ton of small-m morons out there.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 17, 2021 07:51 PM (nfrXX)

240 216 Romeo13, Sounds like the old beware of the man with one gun with your single action colt. 45 Colt or 44-40?

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 07:52 PM (9hXN1)

241 Actually Davey was one of my nicknames in school as well.

Posted by: Davey Javems at October 17, 2021 07:52 PM (AmoqO)

242 ?
Posted by: Y5 at

Ohio drivers are among the top (bottom) is skill level, consideration, and safety.

At least the ones surrounding me.

For highway driving, I generally stay in the rightmost lane as most drivers are putzing along in the 'I think I'm going fast lane' (left).

Why yes, I'll pass them on the right. Why do you ask?

Posted by: Tonypete at October 17, 2021 07:52 PM (mD/uy)

243 >>> 148 Ben Had,

Do you want me to bring the "thing" to do the "stuff" like we discussed???
Posted by: lin-duh at October 17, 2021 07:03 PM (UUBmN)

Is the chair against the wall?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 17, 2021 07:53 PM (ACi07)

244 Do you want me to bring the "thing" to do the "stuff" like we discussed???
Posted by: lin-duh at October 17, 2021 07:03 PM (UUBmN)

Is the chair against the wall?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket

Not only that but - John has a long mustache.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 17, 2021 07:54 PM (mD/uy)

245 240 216 Romeo13, Sounds like the old beware of the man with one gun with your single action colt. 45 Colt or 44-40?
Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 07:52 PM (9hXN1)

.45 Uberti El Patron... of all the guns I've shot over the years, it is the most 'instinctive' to shoot.

Much better than my Sig... even though I 'grew up' on 1911s.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 17, 2021 07:55 PM (oHd/0)

246 Thanks for the Gun Thread Weasel!

Posted by: DBCooper at October 17, 2021 07:56 PM (os1+V)

247 Whig, the web gear doesn't smell that bad. It smells better than the stuff I got issued at ROTC Advanced Camp. I think I'll leave it alone. All of this is in the safe, which comes w/ a dehumidifer. I've heard that if an old wooden rifle stock is in decent shape already, using furniture polish is OK because these things used furniture grade walnut (mostly). Any truth to that? I don't have any restoration jobs for wood stocks (at least not yet) in the works.

Posted by: Ed L at October 17, 2021 07:56 PM (NacE+)

248 245 Thanks, I looked it up and those are beautiful reproductions. Uberti makes good firearms. Sights look very usable too.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 07:57 PM (9hXN1)

249 Is the chair against the wall?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 17, 2021 07:53 PM (ACi07)

No, but I do have a large mustache.

Posted by: Jacques at October 17, 2021 07:57 PM (Ocv6A)

250 Is the chair against the wall?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket

Not only that but - John has a long mustache.
Posted by: Tonypete at October 17, 2021 07:54 PM (mD/uy)

it wounds my heart with a monotonous languor.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 17, 2021 07:58 PM (evAgx)

251 Evening gub aficionados.

About the .22 revolvers. I bought 2 of the Heritage Rough Riders (blemished) for less than $200. Gave one to my son. Each came with a second cylinder chambered in .22 WMR. I taught my 13yo grandson to shoot with the one I kept. Teaches them a lot about firearms in one gun.

I also have a Ruger SR22 with a suppressor for "nighttime" intruders of the trash Panda variety. Or other intruders the 870 would be inappropriate for.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 17, 2021 07:58 PM (BFigT)

252 Safe travels to Weasel and everyone road-tripping to TX this week! I'm sure a good time will be had by all and look forward to reading about it.

Posted by: Ed L at October 17, 2021 07:59 PM (NacE+)

253 I've heard that if an old wooden rifle stock is in decent shape already, using furniture polish is OK because these things used furniture grade walnut (mostly). Any truth to that? I don't have any restoration jobs for wood stocks (at least not yet) in the works.

Posted by: Ed L at October 17, 2021 07:56 PM (NacE+)


My Dad, who spent 30 years and 90 days in the Army, always said that human body oil was best for stocks. I use linseed oil myself.

Posted by: Davey Javems at October 17, 2021 08:00 PM (AmoqO)

254 247 Ed. L. One of the reasons that a lot of old oil soaked stocks got mushy was using non natural oils and furniture polish (unless for antiques perhaps) usually use those synthetic oils. On a polyurethane protected stock, furniture polish would be fine but some might have materials affecting bluing or color case hardening.

Natural oils are less likely to break down the lignan in the wood making it mushy and linseed oil in particular has proven itself over time as protecting and strengthening the wood. Basically the linseed oxidizes over time to form polymers that protect and seal the stock. The military used to submerge the stocks in linseed until it could not absorb any more and only then set them aside to dry. A stock with linseed properly applied will also not let synthetic gun oils into the wood grain to weaken the lignan structure.

Tung oil was later found to do the same. The Swedes and Russians used birch oils and pine tars to do some of the same thing.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 08:02 PM (9hXN1)

255 it wounds my heart with a monotonous languor.
Posted by: Tom Servo

So, depending on what beach you were near - either put on the kettle or make coffee, No?

Posted by: Tonypete at October 17, 2021 08:02 PM (mD/uy)

256 My Dad, who spent 30 years and 90 days in the Army, always said that human body oil was best for stocks. I use linseed oil myself.
Posted by: Davey Javems

I haven't tried that yet - I may have to expand the area used when rifle-butting those that have it coming.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 17, 2021 08:04 PM (mD/uy)

257
Happy to do it, Ladyl! See you in a few days too! And I am bringing your favorite 600 yd rifle.
Posted by: Weasel at October 17, 2021 07:35 PM (Iv1vt)


I'm excited beyond words!

Posted by: Ladyl at October 17, 2021 08:04 PM (+4oV5)

258 BTW, a warning, never refinish Japanese lacquer including Arisaka Stocks without respiratory equipment. They used poison sumac as a base for their stock finish and this becomes aerosoled when sanded. You do NOT want to breath this.

You can tell it exists on an Arisaka stock as it looks like a crude polyurethane or crummy varnish finish.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 08:05 PM (9hXN1)

259 Safe travels to all on the road tonight to Texas.

Thanks Weasel for another fine Gun Thread!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 17, 2021 08:05 PM (R/m4+)

260 For cleaning an old moldy wooden stock, turpentine and mineral spirits work fine. Get the odorless mineral spirits btw as the other stuff is recycled usually.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 08:06 PM (9hXN1)

261 Mineral spirits is also good for cleaning metals on an old stock without harming the finish assuming you do not use abrasive cleaning surfaces with it.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 08:08 PM (9hXN1)

262 Calling it a night Horde,

Safe travels to all traveling to the TxMoMe and I hope you all have a blast!

Posted by: Thicc Boi at October 17, 2021 08:09 PM (zThcc)

263 Ben Had,
I will just throw it in the back of the Yukon.


Nurse,
We just did Romans 13 today in church...I struggle with it. That's why I don't comment as often or follow the news as closely.

Posted by: lin-duh at October 17, 2021 08:10 PM (UUBmN)

264 Posted by: Kindltot at October 17, 2021 07:32 PM (KbLYZ)

Started some work on the story today. Did about a whole page of new and some revisions based on your kind reading.

Also, how about a Buckmark Camper for a semi-auto .22?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 17, 2021 08:14 PM (7bRMQ)

265 Thanks for the info, Whig and Davey Javems. I never learned any of this because wooden furniture on firearms was extinct before I came in. Good to know that modern furniture polish shouldn't be used on vintage wood.

Posted by: Ed L at October 17, 2021 08:14 PM (NacE+)

266 I haven't tried that yet - I may have to expand the area used when rifle-butting those that have it coming.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 17, 2021 08:04 PM (mD/uy)


To be concise he wasn't advocating boiling down humans for their oil, but simply rubbing the wood with oil from oneself. Additionally Butt-Stroking would introduce too many other bodily fluids if done correctly.

Posted by: Davey Javems at October 17, 2021 08:16 PM (AmoqO)

267 OrangeEnt, I have heard that the Buckmark is a very nice .22 LR semi auto and very accurage. Easier to take down for cleaning than the comparable Rugers (dunno about the newest one).

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 08:16 PM (9hXN1)

268 We just did Romans 13 today in church...I struggle with it. That's why I don't comment as often or follow the news as closely.

Posted by: lin-duh at October 17, 2021 08:10 PM
Romans Ch 13: v 11- And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Posted by: Eromero at October 17, 2021 08:16 PM (0OP+5)

269 So the truck says buy ammo and has a shut life sticker

Posted by: Y5 at October 17, 2021 08:17 PM (AvLev)

270 It has a slut life sticker

Posted by: Y5 at October 17, 2021 08:18 PM (AvLev)

271 Lin-duh - For me at least, I interpret Ro 13 thus - kings and magistrates rule by consent of God. So then, believers who render obedience to governing authorities are obeying the one who is highest in command (Our Lord). However, I believe that rulers, in this case Caesar, has the responsibility to make just laws. Caesar is not entitled to obedience when he rules immorally.

As is the case today.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 17, 2021 08:20 PM (mD/uy)

272 Ed. L. a light application probably would not hurt it but the linseed actually soaks in and then hardens the surface protecting it from bumps and scratches as it oxidizes. Where the synthetic type oils hurt wood firearms the most is in the receiver area. On a wood stocked rifle that is used frequently, it is wise to demount the action and treat the interior wood surrounding the receiver with linseed or tung. One, it prevents the wood from drying out and cracking under recoil, two, it prevents gun oils from penetrating the wood and making it mushy. A common source of breakage of old military stocks is around its recoil lug in the stock where the wood gets dry or it gets mushy from absorbing too much oil. A similar place is the back of the tang where the old stocks often split or chip.

The older the wood, the more likely that it is dry inside and prone to cracking under recoil unless treated.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 08:20 PM (9hXN1)

273 It has a slut life sticker

Granted it's a lousy font, but it's "Salt Life." I think it's some kind of fishing thing.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 17, 2021 08:21 PM (nfrXX)

274 Romans Ch 13: v 11- And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
Posted by: Eromero
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True! But we only did Romans 13:1-7 today.... submitting to authorities. This is where I struggle mightily.

Posted by: lin-duh at October 17, 2021 08:21 PM (UUBmN)

275 I'm very late. Celebrated my sons 40th birthday tonight and and finally finishing up. Can't believe the little shit is 40.

Posted by: Jewells45 at October 17, 2021 08:23 PM (nxdel)

276 Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 08:16 PM (9hXN1)

I have one, whig, just putting it out there for people looking for .22s. I like it, it's relatively easy to load the magazine. A lot eaiser than the Makarov, it just has a little metal tab. Hurts the fingers doing it so I bought a plastic "helper."

Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 17, 2021 08:23 PM (7bRMQ)

277 Read the St. Valentine's Day Massacre link. Curious, isn't it, that in 1932, the (admittedly splashy) murder of seven gangsters was a huge media sensation/scandal, yet today, seven dead of gunshots is a slow news day?

And I remember when George Patey set up the SVDM brick wall in his nightclub in Vancouver. I don't remember ever going to see it, to tell you the truth. Another restaurant owner had the James Bond Aston Martin.

And Vancouver had real live Mafia-type gangsters, too, back in that era.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 08:23 PM (KMbqD)

278
It has a slut life sticker
Posted by: Y5


Salt Life

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 17, 2021 08:24 PM (pNxlR)

279 Granted it's a lousy font, but it's "Salt Life." I think it's some kind of fishing thing




Thanks

Posted by: Y5 at October 17, 2021 08:24 PM (AvLev)

280 I like Romanians 12:25:1989.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 17, 2021 08:25 PM (P4LRL)

281 Salt life refers to the coastline lifestyle of fishing or something like that.

Posted by: lin-duh at October 17, 2021 08:26 PM (UUBmN)

282 If I remember right, one of the surfer dudes who started "Salt Life" in Jville whacked his girlfriend.

By mistake.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 17, 2021 08:27 PM (R/m4+)

283 Lin-duh, Romans 13 has to be understood in the context of the Roman Empire, and the problems Paul and his followers were having. Elements of the Roman Gov't were already accusing Paul and his followers of conspiring to overthrow Roman Authority, so Paul made a special point to rebut this accusation in writing, and to let all of those he communicated with to know about it.

In spite of this, the Roman Govm't *still* executed Paul on trumped up rebellion charges.

Note - and I think this is most significant part of the message - that even though Paul said we should respect the Government, he *never* agreed that Christians should worship Caesar as a god, which is what the Romans were demanding. (just do that, and everything would have been fine) So, obey - but Resistance to an evil law and evil demands is still required. NOT servile obedience.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 17, 2021 08:28 PM (evAgx)

284 I like Romanians 12:25:1989.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 17, 2021 08:25 PM (P4LRL)

Things got turned upside down that day.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 17, 2021 08:28 PM (tayw9)

285 Thanks Weasel for the gun thread and have fun at the MoMeet.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 08:31 PM (9hXN1)

286 280 I like Romanians 12:25:1989.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 17, 2021 08:25 P
That the one that goes 'Get thee up 'gainst yon walle, that ye may be riddled , yay, swissed. That all ye bloode rush out and ye be verily as a doorknob. To wit, dead. Amen.'?

Posted by: Eromero at October 17, 2021 08:31 PM (0OP+5)

287 ---And Vancouver had real live Mafia-type gangsters, too, back in that era.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 08:23 PM (KMbqD)
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Is that your Studebaker in the 1953 pic?

Posted by: Braenyard at October 17, 2021 08:31 PM (Of5dT)

288 Whig, I've got a few vintage firearms that still have the original wood. Knowing how to care for the wooden parts is something I didn't really know anything about until tonight. See you and everyone next week!

Posted by: Ed L at October 17, 2021 08:31 PM (NacE+)

289 And Vancouver had real live Mafia-type gangsters, too, back in that era.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 08:23 PM (KMbqD)
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Three piece suits or Canadian tuxedos?

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 17, 2021 08:33 PM (tayw9)

290 ---So, obey - but Resistance to an evil law and evil demands is still required. NOT servile obedience.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 17, 2021 08:28 PM (evAgx)
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First writing of Irish Democracy.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 17, 2021 08:34 PM (Of5dT)

291 289 And Vancouver had real live Mafia-type gangsters, too, back in that era.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 08:23 PM (KMbqD)
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Three piece suits or Canadian tuxedos?

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 17, 2021 08:33 PM
Maple Leaf taboggans and reindeer sweaters?

Posted by: Eromero at October 17, 2021 08:34 PM (0OP+5)

292 288 Ed L.
Sadly I am not going to the Mo Meet due to health and other obligations. However, if you do want to seal the surface of both wood and metal on a treasured firearm, Renaissance Wax is what museums and firearm collectors use to protect them after applying whatever finish you choose to use. It is always easier to protect against cracking a wood stock than repairing one that is.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 08:37 PM (9hXN1)

293 Mineral spirits are my go-to for cleaning old gun furniture. Did a very nice job on all the M1s (both sizes). Just a mild rub-down, doesn't remove any interesting features or "seasoning", in my experience.

Also just used mineral spirits (mainly) to clean up my reloading press, remove grime grit etc.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 08:37 PM (OTzUX)

294 It's funny to me that Christians insist that Paul must have been right because he's Paul and the letter is right there in the Bible. Have you ever considered that Paul's letter to the Romans is included precisely because Paul was wrong: he preached obedience and nonetheless was executed? Sort of like how modern Christians can't see Job as a criticism of the theology of the historical books of the Bible (bad things happen because of people's disobedience to God) even though at least some Jews have advocated that understanding. Taking the Bible in it's most literal, concrete sense seems questionable to me. Truth can be conveyed in a lot of ways. At any rate, I don't intend to defer to Caesar. If that gets me in trouble with El Jefe, I'll take my punishment.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 17, 2021 08:37 PM (QU5/8)

295 I would imagine that the mobsters in Vancouver were involved in the smuggling trade of spirits from Canada into the US during prohibition.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 08:38 PM (9hXN1)

296 Have an Uberti repro of a Model 1866 Winchester level rifle. Beautiful wood and brass, works like a charm. Un-historical caliber (45 Colt), but very happy with it.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 08:39 PM (OTzUX)

297 Umm, "lever" rifle. Though I try to keep the rifle level when firing it.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 17, 2021 08:39 PM (OTzUX)

298 Watching Ronin on Pluto, "he sprayed the bullets with Teflon" so they'd go through his vest.

I mean, I like the movie, but that's a dumb as ice bullets.

Posted by: Lrrr at October 17, 2021 08:39 PM (6siEC)

299 298 Watching Ronin on Pluto, "he sprayed the bullets with Teflon" so they'd go through his vest.

I mean, I like the movie, but that's a dumb as ice bullets.
Posted by: Lrrr at October 17, 2021 08:39 PM (6siEC)

Not as bad as meat bullets.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 17, 2021 08:41 PM (csEWM)

300 Is that your Studebaker in the 1953 pic?

Posted by: Braenyard at October 17, 2021 08:31 PM (Of5dT)

Good eye! I missed that. Looks like a 1950 or '51. Not mine. I have never been to Chicago, other than passed through once.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 08:44 PM (XPXgC)

301 And now I read Wikipedia and they specifically cited Ronin for the Teflon silliness.

"Meat bullets?" Was that in movie?

Posted by: Lrrr at October 17, 2021 08:44 PM (6siEC)

302 A lot of firearm use in movies and tv has no resemblance to reality. For the most part, with a few notable exceptions, most actors are fine with it.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 08:44 PM (9hXN1)

303 301 And now I read Wikipedia and they specifically cited Ronin for the Teflon silliness.

"Meat bullets?" Was that in movie?
Posted by: Lrrr at October 17, 2021 08:44 PM (6siEC)

CSI episode. Many moons.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 17, 2021 08:45 PM (csEWM)

304 -
And the ultimate movie-bullet, a blood-ice bullet made from your own blood. Has that been done, or should I copyright my screenplay now?

Posted by: irright at October 17, 2021 08:47 PM (BB7pQ)

305 304 -
And the ultimate movie-bullet, a blood-ice bullet made from your own blood. Has that been done, or should I copyright my screenplay now?
Posted by: irright at October 17, 2021 08:47 PM (BB7pQ)

Orange Dreamsicle bullet.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 17, 2021 08:47 PM (csEWM)

306 The Man From U.N.C.L.E. was a must see for us kids. What was the cool looking gun with the silencer Solo carried?

Posted by: davidt at October 17, 2021 08:48 PM (2/FOp)

307 I would imagine that the mobsters in Vancouver were involved in the smuggling trade of spirits from Canada into the US during prohibition.
Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 08:38 PM (9hXN1)

https://vancouverneon.com/page_q/penthouse.htm

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 08:49 PM (XPXgC)

308 Another week, another hash. this one is almost To Fap.

Posted by: davidt at October 17, 2021 08:50 PM (2/FOp)

309 Happy Birthday , son of Jewells !

Posted by: JT at October 17, 2021 08:50 PM (arJlL)

310 Interesting AOP. Thanks.

Posted by: whig at October 17, 2021 08:51 PM (9hXN1)

311 Blood Bullet: The Killer is You

Posted by: Lrrr at October 17, 2021 08:51 PM (6siEC)

312 Thanks JT!!

Posted by: Jewells45 at October 17, 2021 08:51 PM (nxdel)

313 -
And the ultimate movie-bullet, a blood-ice bullet made from your own blood. Has that been done, or should I copyright my screenplay now?
Posted by: irright at October 17, 2021 08:47 PM (BB7pQ)

Orange Dreamsicle bullet.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 17, 2021 08:47 PM -
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Is this about me?

Posted by: Tater Stelter at October 17, 2021 08:51 PM (BB7pQ)

314 308 Another week, another hash. this one is almost To Fap.
Posted by: davidt at October 17, 2021 08:50 PM (2/FOp)

To be Obama.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 17, 2021 08:52 PM (csEWM)

315 Have you ever considered that Paul's letter to the Romans is included precisely because Paul was wrong: he preached obedience and nonetheless was executed?'

I would disagree; I would say the lesson of Paul, and of most of the prophets and Jesus himself is that doing the right thing, and faithfully and honestly serving God to the utmost will very often lead to Suffering and Death in this world. And that's one of the big reasons why the Health and Wealth preachers are so theologically wrong.

never expect any rewards in this world for doing the right thing - only in the next.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 17, 2021 08:52 PM (evAgx)

316 Hey Weasel! See you soon!

Posted by: rancherbob at October 17, 2021 08:52 PM (gtu9W)

317 306 - Walther P-38 with extended barrel and muzzle brake.

Posted by: Ed L at October 17, 2021 08:53 PM (NacE+)

318 Thanks JT!!
Posted by: Jewells45

Posted by: JT at October 17, 2021 08:54 PM (arJlL)

319 Solo's gun...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_from_U.N.C.L.E._gun

Posted by: davidt at October 17, 2021 08:54 PM (2/FOp)

320 I would disagree; I would say the lesson of Paul, and of most of the prophets and Jesus himself is that doing the right thing, and faithfully and honestly serving God to the utmost will very often lead to Suffering and Death in this world. And that's one of the big reasons why the Health and Wealth preachers are so theologically wrong.

never expect any rewards in this world for doing the right thing - only in the next.
Posted by: Tom Servo

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This!

Posted by: lin-duh at October 17, 2021 08:54 PM (UUBmN)

321 Orange Dreamsicle bullet.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 17, 2021 08:47 PM -
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Is this about me?
Posted by: Tater Stelter
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No, that's "Hot Beef Injection, a Dicksmoker Saga"

Posted by: Lrrr at October 17, 2021 08:54 PM (6siEC)

322 That's essentially the theology of self-gassing Jews in my opinion. Let's put some meat on the bones: current Caesar wants you to be vaccinated. Yet lots of Christians insist they don't want it. Why do Christians get to disobey? It's not as if the religious objections are anything other than a pretext.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 17, 2021 08:56 PM (QU5/8)

323 322 That's essentially the theology of self-gassing Jews in my opinion. Let's put some meat on the bones: current Caesar wants you to be vaccinated. Yet lots of Christians insist they don't want it. Why do Christians get to disobey? It's not as if the religious objections are anything other than a pretext.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 17, 2021 08:56 PM (QU5/

Is it?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 17, 2021 08:58 PM (csEWM)

324 Just wanted to get in a quick Fuck Joe Biden before the ONT!

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at October 17, 2021 08:59 PM (kR3Q3)

325 ONT is nood.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 17, 2021 09:02 PM (csEWM)

326 Is this about me?
Posted by: Tater Stelter
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No, that's "Hot Beef Injection, a Dicksmoker Saga"

Posted by: Lrrr

Basting Bitch Boasting Bulbous Bottom

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at October 17, 2021 09:02 PM (kR3Q3)

327 Is it?

I think so. No one began opposing this from abstract theological considerations or principles. We spent months and months arguing the merits of the vaccine. When people lost that argument in some jurisdictions, then came the religious objections. From people who have been vaccinated for all sorts of things. They don't object to vaccines. They object to this one on medical grounds. I have no problem with people invoking religion to oppose the vaccine, but I'm not obligated to pretend people fervently believe that Jesus doesn't want them to get the jab either.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 17, 2021 09:05 PM (QU5/8)

328 in the end, I don't think the "obey Caesar" crowd believes what it says. Because whenever you confront them with some disobedience on their part (like not wearing masks or getting the jab, as Caesar has decreed), they come up with some reason why disobedience is okay under these particular circumstances. Confront a habitual speeder with "obey Caesar" and you'll just get a homily about how Jesus can't drive 55.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 17, 2021 09:10 PM (QU5/8)

329 This Blog needs a Cigar thread.

Posted by: Shaftoe at October 18, 2021 04:33 AM (gS/r9)

330 Hello, I think your website might be having browser compatibility issues. When I look at your website in Chrome, it looks fine but when opening in Internet Explorer, it has some overlapping. I just wanted to give you a quick heads up! Other then that, terrific blog!

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