Saturday Overnight Open Thread (10/16/21)

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The Saturday Night Joke

I bought a new truck. It'll run on hydrogen, gasoline, or E85. Had to go back to the dealer yesterday because I couldn't get the radio to work. The service technician explained that the radio was voice-activated.

”Nelson,” the technician said to the radio. The radio replied, “Ricky or Willie? ”Willie” he continued, and “On The Road Again” flowed from the speakers. Then he said, “Ray Charles,” and in an instant “Georgia On My Mind” replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away so happy, and for the next few days every time I'd say, “Beethoven” I'd get beautiful classical music, and if I said, “Beatles” I'd get one of their awesome songs.

Well, yesterday, this woman ran a red light and nearly smashed into my new truck, but luckily I swerved in time to avoid her. I yelled at her, “Crazy Bitch!”

The radio replied, “Hillary, Maxine, Kamala, Warren, Ocasio, or Pelosi?”

- GOD, I love this truck!

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The following video was submitted by IllTemperedCur.


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It's never too late to celebrate National Cheese Curd Day.

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Modern day problems. Plus bonus enhanced vocabulary.

Swinging naked doggers cause chaos outside Big Baps Cafe – leaving customers horrified
The owner of a transport café called Big Baps says her business is being ruined by people having open-air sex behind the building and leaving behind 'bin bags full of used condoms'


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Ford wants more consumer taking out 7 year loans for new vehicles. Is this a good thing?


The costs of a 2021 Ford F-150 in case you need the prices.


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Planning a trip? Want to check out something unusual? 5 of the strangest beaches.

There's nothing like a beach day. The long expanses of sand. The sound of the ocean breathing in and out. The salty air, giving you those perfect beachy waves - everyone loves an effortless look.
However, while we all can't escape to the beach you can still get those dreamy waves at home thanks to Beachwaver. This female-founded, responsible haircare brand is the place to go for the ultimate curling irons. You can touch up your natural waves or start from scratch.

The Midnight Rose 3B Waver heats up in just 30 seconds and packs easy for all your destination travels. They have a range of other curlers in different barrel sizes to work with all hair types and textures. Beachwaver's got your hair covered no matter where you go.


Beaches aren't your thing? I understand. Perhaps an out of the way tavern is your thing.

There are old bars. There are haunted bars. But what about bars in remote corners of the world?

To access some of these locations, you may have to hike through the wilderness, journey by boat or even ride a yak. If you have a thirst for adventure, these far-reaching bars just might slake your curiosity.


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Just thinking out loud here. But, I don't think we will be seeing this in stores anytime soon.


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The ONT Musical Interlude


Born on this day: 16 Oct 1947
American musician and songwriter Bob Weir, best known as a founding member of the Grateful Dead. The group released more than 140 albums during their career, the majority of them recorded live in concert. via thisdayinmusic.com

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On this day: 16 Oct 2006
CBGB, the legendary New York punk club credited with discovering Patti Smith and Ramones, closed after a final gig by Smith herself. Blondie and Talking Heads also found fame after performing at the club, which helped launch US punk music. The venue first opened in December 1973, its full name CBGB OMFUG standing for "country, bluegrass, blues and other music for uplifting gormandizers". via thisdayinmusic.com


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Posthumous Genius Award Winner.

SELFIE TRAGEDY Woman falls to her death from 164ft cliff after losing her balance while posing for selfie


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Tonight's ONT has been brought to you by Shit That Cracks Me Up a Karen Meme.

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!ערשטער

Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 09:05 PM (iOxrB)

2 Present.

Posted by: Pastor Charles the Simple at October 16, 2021 09:05 PM (HuH1F)

3 Happy Caturday night!

Posted by: JQ, a hick in the sticks at October 16, 2021 09:05 PM (dB4Iz)

4 Ch___a

Posted by: Muchas buchas at October 16, 2021 09:05 PM (1EeyU)

5 Thanks for the ONT.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021 09:05 PM (csEWM)

6 Amazon has anti joe Xiden stickers for sale!
Revolution is in the air.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at October 16, 2021 09:05 PM (hOUT3)

7 I coulda been first if the ONT had arrived at 10 sharp, just sayin

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 16, 2021 09:06 PM (YZG/i)

8 Beautiful lead photo MisHum!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at October 16, 2021 09:06 PM (hOUT3)

9 My work cell defaults to taking selfies. So the only selfies I have ever seen are from below, with me looking pissed off trying to switch the camera BACK TO BEING A CAMERA!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021 09:06 PM (csEWM)

10 Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at Octobe

Next time slip me a few trinkets

Posted by: Mis Hum cell phone at October 16, 2021 09:07 PM (Z8+SR)

11 Ward, I think you were a little hard on The Beaver last night.

Posted by: Zombie June Cleaver at October 16, 2021 09:07 PM (Xrfse)

12 sted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at October 16, 2021 09:06 PM (hOUT3)

Thanks Hrothgar

Posted by: Mis Hum cell phone at October 16, 2021 09:08 PM (Z8+SR)

13 Out-of-the-way bars are nothing new. We have quite a few in the rural area in which I live...One of them burned down, but it was popular enough that it was rebuilt--then COVID hit. Not sure if it's still open these days. But it was a pretty neat place.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 16, 2021 09:09 PM (K5n5d)

14 YAY ONT! Great joke MisHum.

Posted by: Jewells45 at October 16, 2021 09:09 PM (nxdel)

15 Laughing so hard at the dress the baby gizmo video.

Posted by: PaleRider, wrecker vaccine resister at October 16, 2021 09:09 PM (pxVvf)

16 That Bloody Mary looks delish.

Posted by: Tuna at October 16, 2021 09:10 PM (gLRfa)

17 Willowed. in case anna has already moved over:
The two Gerrold ones, well these were written when he was still relatively sane and decent. Star Trek LIves! is about the fandom and also Joan Winston being on the set of the last TOS episode filmed "Turnabout Intruder" and the reader is treated to plenty of behind the scenes interaction of the cast.

Other three books, no idea.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 09:06 PM (5VLt+)

The Galactic Whirlpool (I think that was the title) by Gerrod is my favorite Star Trek novel. The idea that they built giant orbiting power stations and then they turned it into a generation ship and the Enterprise catches up to it after all this time. Captured my imagination.

Then I read the fuzzy caterpillar books. Do not recommend.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021 09:11 PM (csEWM)

18 good evening all

Posted by: wing at October 16, 2021 09:12 PM (PlW9M)

19 My son is out celebrating his 40th birthday. Damn... I can't believe he's 40. I remember bringing him home from the hospital... the first walk to school with me crying the whole way... the way he always brought me flowers.. his graduation..his first apartment. Time goes by so quickly.

Posted by: Jewells45 at October 16, 2021 09:12 PM (nxdel)

20 Love me a good Bloody Mary. I actually prefer a Cesar though.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 09:13 PM (U2p+3)

21 Who the heck wants a beer chaser with a Bloody Mary?

Posted by: Splunge at October 16, 2021 09:13 PM (S7/a+)

22 Awww Jewells.

I can't wait to hug you. Happy birthday to your sweet boy.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 09:13 PM (U2p+3)

23 Good evening, Horde.

MisHum--could you provide a link to the talking truck? I need it.

Posted by: Ladyl at October 16, 2021 09:14 PM (TdMsT)

24 Time goes by so quickly.
Posted by: Jewells45 at October 16, 2021 09:12 PM (nxdel)


{{{Jewells}}}
That is why we should cherish every second on THIS earth that we are granted, because those special seconds only come around once!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at October 16, 2021 09:15 PM (hOUT3)

25 Thanks for another swell ONT, Mis Hum!

That video on getting into the wife's beaver is hilarious!

Posted by: Legally Sufficient, Believing in America at October 16, 2021 09:15 PM (rwusL)

26 Good evening. I made the best beef stew of my life today. Ermagerd!

Posted by: Muad'dib at October 16, 2021 09:15 PM (RrtlF)

27 Seven year auto loans with no minimum fico score.
What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Chuck C at October 16, 2021 09:16 PM (EughT)

28 Talked to the Li'lest Blutarski tonight about a strike by the union he hoped to join. Turned out they've reached an agreement, but I found out he is already IN the union (he just graduated in June). I asked him what he'll make per hour and ran the numbers. He'd make more than his electrical engineer older brother his first year. And in a couple months he'll get his own health insurance and off mine. Life is getting good.

Posted by: Blutarski at October 16, 2021 09:17 PM (rz+/y)

29 Lots of content! Where to begin? Well, if I had a business that was being plagued by faggots buttfucking in the nearby park, I would take steps to make the place inhospitable to them. An easy thing to do: get some big, mean bikers to wander around, taking close-up pics of the "doggers'" faces. Most of these creeps are in the closet, and the last thing they want is to be identified. Pics of their vehicle plates, too.

And the beach article, the pics didn't load for me. And their description of the origins of olivine on the green sand beach in Hawaii was a little garbled. I saw a green sand beach in, wait for it, Greenland. And I have a little vial of the sand.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 09:17 PM (olVS3)

30 Good evening everyone.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 16, 2021 09:17 PM (mD/uy)

31 MisHum--could you provide a link to the talking truck? I need it.
Posted by: Ladyl at October 16, 2021 09:14 PM (TdMsT)


{{{Ladyl}}}
Sorry to say that due to high demand, they are special order only and there is a two year waiting list!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at October 16, 2021 09:17 PM (hOUT3)

32 Thanks Nurse. He stole my heart from the first heartbeat.

Posted by: Jewells45 at October 16, 2021 09:17 PM (nxdel)

33 Muad'dib
Did you bring enough to share?

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at October 16, 2021 09:17 PM (0CPkz)

34 7 I coulda been first if the ONT had arrived at 10 sharp, just sayin
Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 16, 2021 09:06 PM


Sevenths whine about the timeliness of the second most important ONT of the week.

Firsts go home with the First!

Posted by: zombie Sean Connery at October 16, 2021 09:18 PM (a3Q+t)

35 Ah, I can see by the end of the video, her beaver had just been stuffed.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 16, 2021 09:18 PM (7bRMQ)

36 The Brooklyn Tavern is an awesome bar in the middle of somewhere. Dirt road. 18 miles off hwy 101 between Cosmopolis and Raymond. It's an awesome stop.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 09:19 PM (U2p+3)

37 >
33 Muad'dib
Did you bring enough to share?
Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at October 16, 2021 09:17 PM (0CPkz)



I will freely share to all you morons that show up in, Shall we say, the next hour.

Posted by: Muad'dib at October 16, 2021 09:19 PM (RrtlF)

38 Kateurday ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/media

*scroll down

Posted by: kbdabear at October 16, 2021 09:19 PM (qAR6u)

39 Anna, I've been making pizza but Norstrillia was a series by Cordwainer Smith that eerily echoes Dune, but was made first.

It features Australians in space.

Stroon is made from giant, diseased sheep though.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 16, 2021 09:19 PM (KbLYZ)

40 Hrothgar so very true. I feel bad I nor my husband are there but we just can't handle a drive into the city anymore. We are having his birthday dinner here tomorrow. His favorite.. my chicken tacos and homemade refried beans.

Posted by: Jewells45 at October 16, 2021 09:20 PM (nxdel)

41 Seven year auto loans with no minimum fico score.
What could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: Chuck C


Hey! It worked for housing didn't it?...oh...

Posted by: Some Rat at October 16, 2021 09:20 PM (r1z5A)

42 Ah, I can see by the end of the video, her beaver had just been stuffed.
Posted by: OrangeEnt

Niiice beaver!

Posted by: Frank Drebin at October 16, 2021 09:20 PM (rz+/y)

43 That Talking Heads performance reminds me that they were not always the great live band that they became later. Oh, you can see the talent. Yes, it's a great song, if not quite developed into the album version. But Byrne's performance is borderline autistic, and most of the energy is from Tina's bass. Not a patch on what they became as live performers. Especially Byrne.

Posted by: Splunge at October 16, 2021 09:21 PM (S7/a+)

44 Love me a good Bloody Mary. I actually prefer a Cesar though.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 09:13 PM (U2p+3)


It's the anchovy, isn't it.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 16, 2021 09:22 PM (KbLYZ)

45 MisHum--could you provide a link to the talking truck? I need it.
Posted by: Ladyl at October 16, 2021 09:14 PM


Ladyl: "Radio, play the artist that will enshrine me on The ONT."

Radio:

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 16, 2021 09:22 PM (a3Q+t)

46 Switching topics, I have a bone to pick with otters. Why do they have to crap all over our dock and steps? I mean, we have neighbors....

Posted by: Muad'dib at October 16, 2021 09:22 PM (RrtlF)

47 "I wouldn't mind doctors so much if they didn't call it practice." - Solomon Short

"Never trust a tall dwarf, he's lying about something." - Solomon Short

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 09:23 PM (5VLt+)

48 That's not a drink. It's a salad with vodka dressing.

Posted by: Some Rat at October 16, 2021 09:23 PM (r1z5A)

49 Radio:
Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 16, 2021 09:22 PM (a3Q+t)


Pink Floyd coming right up%!

Posted by: Ladyl at October 16, 2021 09:23 PM (TdMsT)

50 That Bloody Mary looks like a drink with a salad topper. Should stave off the wobble walk for a little while... at least until the second Bloody Mary!

Posted by: Legally Sufficient, Believing in America at October 16, 2021 09:24 PM (rwusL)

51 Fifty five

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 09:24 PM (HMNhg)

52 Damn... I can't believe he's 40. I remember bringing him home from the hospital... the first walk to school with me crying the whole way... the way he always brought me flowers.. his graduation..his first apartment. Time goes by so quickly.
Posted by: Jewells45

How can this be with you being 29 and all. I know - mine are there as well. I attended a family wedding today and it dawned on me that all my BILs and SILs are grandparents. My Mom, God rest her soul, told me the time would fly past.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 16, 2021 09:24 PM (mD/uy)

53 Kindltot, answered you previous thread

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 09:25 PM (5VLt+)

54 Re: Out of the way bars.

Buddy and I did a backpack trip into the Welcome Creek Wilderness. It was a tough go because our compass was inaccurate due to the metal in the ground. There were a few active gold claims in the area too. A number of them were obviously booby trapped. So after a day of humping the mountains we decided to forget camping and go home. Being somewhat lost, we followed a stream which dropped us onto a road.

Hot, sweaty, and tired we trudged along the dirt road joking to ourselves that there was a bar just around the bend. We got to the bend and then unbelievably there was a run down bar in the middle of nowhere. Stumbled in and dropped our packs at the bar and downed a few cold beers. We learned the trailhead where we left the car was another mile down the road. Those were some of the best tasting beers I ever tasted.

Posted by: Beartooth at October 16, 2021 09:25 PM (68WvR)

55 Ford wants more consumer taking out 7 year loans for new vehicles. Is this a good thing?

I don't think so. Those people with the lengthy car loans are the ones who total the car and they end up owing more on the loan than the insurance company pays them for the car.

If you need such a lengthy car loan, get a cheaper car.

Posted by: nerdygirl at October 16, 2021 09:25 PM (+lVUW)

56 Love me a good Bloody Mary. I actually prefer a Cesar though.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 09:13 PM (U2p+3)

Is that not a Caesar? Do they use rim salt on Bloody Marys? I just finished a "mock Caesar". Vodka, clamato, Worcestershire Sauce, and Tabasco, but instead of rimming the glass with salt, I sprinkle the spiced salt onto the floating ice. Yummy enough.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 09:25 PM (olVS3)

57 Sorry to say that due to high demand, they are special order only and there is a two year waiting list!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at October 16, 2021 09:17 PM (hOUT3)


Dear {{{Hrothgar}}}

I suppose you got your order in FIRST!

Posted by: Ladyl at October 16, 2021 09:25 PM (TdMsT)

58 24 Time goes by so quickly.
Posted by: Jewells45 at October 16, 2021 09:12 PM (nxdel)


No kidding. Ours will turn 44 soon. We married late. He was a gift.

Posted by: Javems at October 16, 2021 09:27 PM (AmoqO)

59 19 My son is out celebrating his 40th birthday. Damn... I can't believe he's 40. I remember bringing him home from the hospital... the first walk to school with me crying the whole way... the way he always brought me flowers.. his graduation..his first apartment. Time goes by so quickly.
Posted by: Jewells45 at October 16, 2021 09:12 PM (nxdel)


My son just turned 42!

My God.

Posted by: Ladyl at October 16, 2021 09:27 PM (TdMsT)

60 Nurse--I'm calling you when I get to the hotel.

Posted by: Ladyl at October 16, 2021 09:27 PM (TdMsT)

61 If you follow the link for the F-150 pricing, it's technically accurate but actually bullshit. Go to the Ford site and "build" yourself a basic F-150. Nothing fancy. 4x4, extended cab instead of crew cab, 6 foot bed instead of 8 foot, and a towing package. Very plain-jane pickup...and you're well over $50k.

What happened to the days when we drove pickups because we were NOT made of money?

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at October 16, 2021 09:28 PM (lNHqD)

62 163 Bubba Ho-Tep, a guy who thinks he is Elvis saves the world from a mummy wearing Stevie Ray Vaughn's hat.
Yeah a really great movie.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 07:47 PM (5VLt+)

Totally underrated, I love it. Completely reeled me in. I think the only part that seemed a bit forced/unnecessary was the whole infected dick thing. Not really sure why they felt that was worth all the work for basically a payoff with a nurse towards the end. I really did come away believing it was Elvis and JFK.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at October 16, 2021 08:07 PM (wAnMi)

This is from the movie thread which I missed, but I wanted to note: first, Bubba Ho Tep is one of my favorite films, and second, I realized that for the real point of the film, it doesn't matter at all whether the he was really Elvis, or if he was just crazy. What matters is that he realized that a Death with Meaning and Purpose is far better than a meaningless death in a sick bed.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 16, 2021 09:28 PM (evAgx)

63 One of these days, I'm going to have to swing into Culver's and get the deep fried cheese curds. I've had the non-fried version and some that I tried to fry myself (without much success).

I've heard they have good ice cream too...

Posted by: Legally Sufficient, Believing in America at October 16, 2021 09:28 PM (rwusL)

64 29 Lots of content! Where to begin? Well, if I had a business that was being plagued by faggots buttfucking in the nearby park, I would take steps to make the place inhospitable to them. An easy thing to do: get some big, mean bikers to wander around, taking close-up pics of the "doggers'" faces. Most of these creeps are in the closet, and the last thing they want is to be identified. Pics of their vehicle plates, too.

Heh. I didn't realize what "doggers" were until I read your comment. Am I ever dense tonight.

Posted by: nerdygirl at October 16, 2021 09:29 PM (+lVUW)

65 >63 One of these days, I'm going to have to swing into Culver's and get the deep fried cheese curds. I've had the non-fried version and some that I tried to fry myself (without much success).

I've heard they have good ice cream too...
Posted by: Legally Sufficient, Believing in America at October 16, 2021 09:28 PM (rwusL)



Culver's is cheesehead approved

Posted by: Muad'dib at October 16, 2021 09:29 PM (RrtlF)

66 anna, it may have been me. Cordwainer Smith is like John Grimes channeling Philip K Dick.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 16, 2021 09:30 PM (KbLYZ)

67 >>> 46 Switching topics, I have a bone to pick with otters. Why do they have to crap all over our dock and steps? I mean, we have neighbors....
Posted by: Muad'dib at October 16, 2021 09:22 PM (RrtlF)

They're mad because they have been unable to surprise you?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 16, 2021 09:30 PM (ACi07)

68 Sheesh. The cheapest F150 is a lot more than my parents paid for their first house in 1966!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 16, 2021 09:31 PM (7bRMQ)

69 Out of the way bars.

I've just come from 3 days of elk hunting in N Idaho. We stopped in this spot in the road called Clark Fork for what turned out to be a damned fine burger. Everyone there was armed. No masks.
Nice!

Posted by: Diogenes at October 16, 2021 09:31 PM (axyOa)

70 Culver's is cheesehead approved
Posted by: Muad'dib at October 16, 2021 09:29 PM (RrtlF)
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Awesome! I'm just surprised they have one in southwest Utah.

Posted by: Legally Sufficient, Believing in America at October 16, 2021 09:31 PM (rwusL)

71 Heh. I didn't realize what "doggers" were until I read your comment. Am I ever dense tonight.
Posted by: nerdygirl at October 16, 2021 09:29 PM (+lVUW)

I think, in Brit-speak, "doggers" can be heterosexual, too, but the story makes clear that this was a gay-only rendezvous site.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 09:32 PM (olVS3)

72 >>67 >>> 46 Switching topics, I have a bone to pick with otters. Why do they have to crap all over our dock and steps? I mean, we have neighbors....
Posted by: Muad'dib at October 16, 2021 09:22 PM (RrtlF)

cue music: "Shittin' on the Dock of the Bay..."

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 16, 2021 09:32 PM (vuisn)

73 Fried cheese curds are excellent. Good at A&W too.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021 09:32 PM (csEWM)

74 Weelll doggers!

Posted by: Jed Clampitt at October 16, 2021 09:32 PM (4I/2K)

75 ->
They're mad because they have been unable to surprise you?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 16, 2021 09:30 PM (ACi07)


LOL. You may be on the something there.

Posted by: Muad'dib at October 16, 2021 09:32 PM (RrtlF)

76 I wonder at what point it will be the thing to get your car rebuilt rather than spend $100k for a vehicle? I know, people don't have the cash so they make the endless payment..but at some point rebuilders may hook up with loan places like used car dealers do. If it got big enough the manufacturers would probably donate to pols and have rebuilding made illegal..for Gaia and the children!

Posted by: Azjaeger at October 16, 2021 09:33 PM (3/XaG)

77 I've just come from 3 days of elk hunting in N Idaho. We stopped in this spot in the road called Clark Fork for what turned out to be a damned fine burger. Everyone there was armed. No masks.
Nice!
Posted by: Diogenes at October 16, 2021 09:31 PM (axyOa)

I have passed through Clark Fork. Pretty little town, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 09:33 PM (olVS3)

78 Good evening and gracias mh

Jerry > Bobby

/obligatory

Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 16, 2021 09:33 PM (EZebt)

79 I've just come from 3 days of elk hunting in N Idaho. We stopped in this spot in the road called Clark Fork for what turned out to be a damned fine burger. Everyone there was armed. No masks.
Nice!
Posted by: Diogenes


How did your party do?

Posted by: Some Rat at October 16, 2021 09:33 PM (r1z5A)

80 cue music: "Shittin' on the Dock of the Bay..."
Posted by: Dr. Varno

I thought that was for seals and walrusi (sp).

Posted by: Tonypete at October 16, 2021 09:34 PM (mD/uy)

81 I be lighting up this island hillside like a boss.

Posted by: La Palma Volcano at October 16, 2021 09:34 PM (4I/2K)

82 Fried cheese curds are excellent. Good at A&W too.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021 09:32 PM (csEWM)
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Didn't realize A&W had them.

I'm old enough to recall when A&W had root beer, no food on the menu, and the store was only open for the summer. A&W is still my favorite root beer.

Posted by: Legally Sufficient, Believing in America at October 16, 2021 09:34 PM (rwusL)

83 My own TXMOME preparations are proceeding.

Made some of my almost famous Crack Mix (TM), with certified Hunter Biden's Own(TM) crack...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 16, 2021 09:35 PM (K5n5d)

84 How did your party do?
Posted by: Some Rat at October 16, 2021 09:33 PM (r1z5A)


Partied like rock stars but the elk are fine.
I had to come back early. The rest will be there for another week. Saw lots of whitetail and, oddly, turkeys. Few elk. Too warm.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 16, 2021 09:35 PM (axyOa)

85 Top story at WZs:
Are You Depressed? The COVID Booster Shot Might Help You...

https://tinyurl.com/nbn82eb2

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021 09:36 PM (csEWM)

86 Ford wants more consumer taking out 7 year loans for new vehicles. Is this a good thing?

++++

If you can get the 0% APR that is discussed in the piece, then hell yes! The longer that they want to let you use their money for free, the better. Assuming you have a need for the vehicle you are buying.

Of course, if you are paying interest, it is a whole different story. 6.9% for 7 years is quite a ways from free money.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 16, 2021 09:36 PM (hVqGz)

87 I was crabbing the other day about having to spend $1500 on wheels and tires for the 2005 SUV. The vehicle, while a bit of a gas hog, runs like a top and always has.

I started pricing off lease SUVs - mostly Toyotas.

Nah, I'll pay the $1500 - it'll last me another 4-5 years easy.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 16, 2021 09:37 PM (mD/uy)

88 Didn't realize A&W had them.

I'm old enough to recall when A&W had root beer, no food on the menu, and the store was only open for the summer. A&W is still my favorite root beer.
Posted by: Legally Sufficient, Believing in America at October 16, 2021 09:34 PM (rwusL)

They're high, but the burgers are good. Do not get a double and a large cheese curds. You're not that hungry. Ask me how I know!

I recommend the marinara with the curds.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021 09:37 PM (csEWM)

89 70 Culver's is cheesehead approved

Not GREAT food but probably the best fast food burger. SIde note..with the min wage boosts, and leaving the tip aside, it's gotten so fast food and actual sit down restaurants that aren't "prestigious" cost just about the same. You wonder how fast food survives like that except in hop off the freeway eat and get back on situations. Cause most fast food tastes WAY worse than it did 20 years ago.

Posted by: Azjaeger at October 16, 2021 09:37 PM (3/XaG)

90 68 Sheesh. The cheapest F150 is a lot more than my parents paid for their first house in 1966!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 16, 2021 09:31 PM (7bRMQ)


Mon and Dad bought a kit house in 1956 for $6,000.00 Three bedrooms and one bath, 900 sg/ft. They paid $40.00 a month for 30 years on it and it was one of Dad's proudest moments when it was paid off. It is still standing strong.

Posted by: Javems at October 16, 2021 09:37 PM (AmoqO)

91 I suppose you got your order in FIRST!
Posted by: Ladyl at October 16, 2021 09:25 PM (TdMsT)


But of course, minute one of day one pre-order!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at October 16, 2021 09:38 PM (hOUT3)

92 Top story at WZs:
Are You Depressed? The COVID Booster Shot Might Help You...

https://tinyurl.com/nbn82eb2

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021 09:36 PM (csEWM)

Suicide is not the answer to depression, although, sadly, some seem to think it is.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 09:38 PM (olVS3)

93 Jewels,
Daughter of Diogenes #1 called the other day to tell me she's the same age I was when she married SNL of Diogenes. Said she felt old.
I just laughed telling her the best was yet to come.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 16, 2021 09:38 PM (axyOa)

94 Few elk. Too warm.
Posted by: Diogenes


Watch 'em limit now.

Posted by: Some Rat at October 16, 2021 09:38 PM (r1z5A)

95
But of course, minute one of day one pre-order!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at October 16, 2021 09:38 PM (hOUT3)


Why do you always have to be one step ahead of the rest of us?

Posted by: Ladyl at October 16, 2021 09:39 PM (TdMsT)

96 If you can get the 0% APR that is discussed in the piece, then hell yes! The longer that they want to let you use their money for free, the better. Assuming you have a need for the vehicle you are buying.

Of course, if you are paying interest, it is a whole different story. 6.9% for 7 years is quite a ways from free money.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 16, 2021 09:36 PM (hVqGz)

If they are giving you a loan for 0% interest, they are getting it back some other way. Probably by just jacking up the price. Kind of like how muzzie "loans" work.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 09:40 PM (olVS3)

97 If it got big enough the manufacturers would probably donate to pols and have rebuilding made illegal..for Gaia and the children!
Posted by: Azjaeger at October 16, 2021 09:33 PM (3/XaG)



Comrade Azjaeger, do you seriously think you will be able to rebuild ANY electronically enhanced vehicle i the future?
Don't you love it when a plan comes together?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at October 16, 2021 09:40 PM (hOUT3)

98 I have passed through Clark Fork. Pretty little town, too.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 09:33 PM (olVS3)

Yeah. It was nice.
I was checking out properties.
But this place had $50,000 houses with $100,000 5th wheels out front.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 16, 2021 09:41 PM (axyOa)

99 {{{Ladyl}}}
I view life as a constant challenge!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at October 16, 2021 09:41 PM (hOUT3)

100
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 16, 2021 09:37 PM (csEWM)

Posted by: Azjaeger at October 16, 2021 09:37 PM (3/XaG)
* * * *
Thanks for the recommendations!

Posted by: Legally Sufficient, Believing in America at October 16, 2021 09:41 PM (rwusL)

101 94 Few elk. Too warm.
Posted by: Diogenes


Watch 'em limit now.
Posted by: Some Rat at October 16, 2021 09:38 PM (r1z5A)


No shit. That's exactly what's going to happen.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 16, 2021 09:42 PM (axyOa)

102 Did you run across our head field tech? He sent out pictures tonight of the elk he got. Don't know where he went in ID.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 16, 2021 09:42 PM (YynYJ)

103 Evidently there were a buncha homos getting it on around Manssas. I took a couple welding classes at the NVCC campus there at night a dozen years ago and walked in on some fags getting it on in the locker room. Didn't see em, but could hear em panting and smelled shit. What the ever loving fuck! Get a room, pervs. *vomit*

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at October 16, 2021 09:43 PM (/yD0A)

104 My parents built a house in Phoenix in 1968, 4500 sq ft, 4 br. I remember my dad saying he think he got ripped off because the contractor charged him $30K to build it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 16, 2021 09:43 PM (evAgx)

105 Talk about the cost of an F-150 just reminded of something I just found on my newish car. It is a little sticker that you have to really want to read. But Toyota has the vehicle spying on me all in the name of monitoring the health of the car.

What jumped out at me was this tidbit being reported - location.

I need to find the off switch.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 09:43 PM (5VLt+)

106 Mon and Dad bought a kit house in 1956 for $6,000.00 Three bedrooms and one bath, 900 sg/ft. They paid $40.00 a month for 30 years on it and it was one of Dad's proudest moments when it was paid off. It is still standing strong.

Posted by: Javems at October 16, 2021 09:37 PM (AmoqO)

Family still have it? Parents paid $100/mo and said they had a hard time doing it, but it got done.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 16, 2021 09:43 PM (7bRMQ)

107 But this place had $50,000 houses with $100,000 5th wheels out front.
Posted by: Diogenes


One doesn't want to winter in Arizona in a cheap trailer!

Posted by: Some Rat at October 16, 2021 09:44 PM (r1z5A)

108 Evening horde. Saturday went by WAY too damn fast.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at October 16, 2021 09:44 PM (YglAn)

109 Suicide is not the answer to depression, although, sadly, some seem to think it is.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 09:38 PM (olVS3)


If any suicide with a remnant of a soul thought seriously about the wreckage of innocents their act would leave behind...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at October 16, 2021 09:44 PM (hOUT3)

110 Bustin' makes me feel good!

Posted by: La Palma Volcano at October 16, 2021 09:45 PM (4I/2K)

111

I don't believe I've ever stumbled across a pair of homoſexuals engaged in an act of ſodomy...

Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 09:45 PM (iOxrB)

112 Didn't see em, but could hear em panting and smelled shit. What the ever loving fuck! Get a room, pervs. *vomit*
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at October 16, 2021 09:43 PM (/yD0A)

I think I have an adequate amount of tolerance for their existence, but I have zero tolerance for their shitty behavior in public spaces.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 09:46 PM (olVS3)

113 Sorry for the off topic, but I have a horde-sourced question that I floated earlier today and got no responses. Feel free to ignore this and continue with your ONT.

is anybody aware of any case in the last two years where an individual successfully sued a public entity (store, city council, school board, etc) for contracting COVID following voluntary attendance at that entity? If so can you provide a link or at least a location so that I can look into it to evaluate the circumstances?

Posted by: Muldoon at October 16, 2021 09:46 PM (5Woea)

114 If any suicide with a remnant of a soul thought seriously about the wreckage of innocents their act would leave behind...
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar

See though, that's the thing - I don't believe they are in touch with their soul or logical thinking at that point. I would venture to say most just want the pain to end, not matter the cost.

How else could a loving mother leave her little boys behind.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 16, 2021 09:46 PM (mD/uy)

115 Did you run across our head field tech? He sent out pictures tonight of the elk he got. Don't know where he went in ID.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 16, 2021 09:42 PM (YynYJ)

Is his name Lawrence?
Saw an elk hunting dude going thru the woods saying, Ah 1, and Ah 2...

Posted by: Diogenes at October 16, 2021 09:46 PM (axyOa)

116 Oh! So thank you so much MisHum! You do kick it!

Posted by: COMountainMarie at October 16, 2021 09:47 PM (gv+02)

117 61 If you follow the link for the F-150 pricing, it's technically accurate but actually bullshit. Go to the Ford site and "build" yourself a basic F-150. Nothing fancy. 4x4, extended cab instead of crew cab, 6 foot bed instead of 8 foot, and a towing package. Very plain-jane pickup...and you're well over $50k.

What happened to the days when we drove pickups because we were NOT made of money?
Posted by: Pennsyltucky at October 16, 2021 09:28 PM (lNHqD)


The thing is, my dad always had a pickup, and they never had 4 X 4, and they weren't extended cab. I know 4X 4 added a lot to the cost of my jeep. Vehicles also come with a lot of stuff standard that you didn't have years ago. My jeep has tons of features that vehicles didn't have 20 years ago. Plus, UAW. Don't get me wrong, I know people who are or were big three employees, but it don't come cheap.

On the other hand, I can remember when people would replace their cars by every five years or so. Now they get a great car and drive it fifteen years, and pass it on to one of their kids. I do think they last longer than they used to.

Posted by: nerdygirl at October 16, 2021 09:47 PM (+lVUW)

118 Family still have it? Parents paid $100/mo and said they had a hard time doing it, but it got done.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 16, 2021 09:43 PM (7bRMQ)


No, Mom and Dad long gone. My brother and I sold it to a neighbor and friend for her son. She re-modeled it and did a nice job. It is really a solid little house. We still have visitation rights,

Posted by: Javems at October 16, 2021 09:47 PM (AmoqO)

119 Helping my SIL look for a used car, dealership's are tacking an additional 5k onto all new cars calling it a "market adjustment."

She ended up getting a used Honda Civic from a dealership and they ain't budging from asking.

It's definitely not a buyers market.

It's going to take years to get back to where it was if it ever does.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 16, 2021 09:48 PM (oLHOO)

120 Culver's is cheesehead approved
Posted by: Muad'dib at October 16, 2021 09:29 PM (RrtlF)


I went there for the first time about a month ago. I was surprised at how good their food was. Much better than most fast food.

Posted by: nerdygirl at October 16, 2021 09:49 PM (+lVUW)

121 BTW...I want that truck...

Posted by: COMountainMarie at October 16, 2021 09:49 PM (gv+02)

122 I met a nice cat today on my walk.

Took a pet like no problem. Wasn't afraid at all.

That was a great cat right there.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 16, 2021 09:49 PM (OU+8W)

123 Also, cheese kurds...awesome cheese!

Posted by: COMountainMarie at October 16, 2021 09:51 PM (gv+02)

124 I have had close family members come very close to suicide; also I have known several friends who succumbed that way over the years. I know enough to understand that someone at that point is not thinking rationally, and is completely incapable of understanding the effects of their action. They honestly begin to believe that everyone will be better off if they are gone; it's wrong, but that's part of the delusion that leads someone to do a thing like that. That's why I have nothing but pity for someone in that situation. (those who do it in order to get revenge against some perceived slight are a completely different type)

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 16, 2021 09:51 PM (evAgx)

125 I need to find the off switch.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 09:43 PM (5VLt+)

Go to carkiller/ScottyKilmer and see if anyone can tell you if it's doable. It's a website and you'll have to sign up to post, but if you don't want to I can ask for you.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 16, 2021 09:51 PM (7bRMQ)

126 Good evening, Beckoning Chasm!

Posted by: Ladyl at October 16, 2021 09:51 PM (TdMsT)

127 And so with the cost of modern cars and trucks, we are reminded once again, just how idiotic and wasteful, Obama's "Cash for Clunkers" was.

Posted by: nerdygirl at October 16, 2021 09:51 PM (+lVUW)

128 At Culvers, they bring your food to your table. At a fast food joint.

Posted by: davidt at October 16, 2021 09:51 PM (2/FOp)

129

I think few, even older folks, really appreciate just how more reliable modern cars are...

Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 09:52 PM (iOxrB)

130 My wife likes her bloody Mary's like that.. light on the booze.. heavy on the veggies!

Posted by: Chi-town Jerry at October 16, 2021 09:52 PM (CjFDo)

131 I met a nice cat today on my walk.

Took a pet like no problem. Wasn't afraid at all.

That was a great cat right there.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 16, 2021 09:49 PM (OU+8W)
* * * *
Maybe it was an angel with a message for you from Heaven... Keep your eyes and heart open for a cat adoption opportunity!

Posted by: Legally Sufficient, Believing in America at October 16, 2021 09:52 PM (rwusL)

132

Cheese kurds > garden-variety Asiatic Kurds...

Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 09:55 PM (iOxrB)

133
Switching topics, I have a bone to pick with otters. Why do they have to crap all over our dock and steps? I mean, we have neighbors....
Posted by: Muad'dib


They have been taking lessons from Canada Geese. Those mongers of green greasy shits top my "wildlife that I loathe" list, followed closely by White-Tailed Deer.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 16, 2021 09:55 PM (pNxlR)

134 Will Saturday be a fine ONT? Or, what?
In any case, I so love you guys!

Posted by: COMountainMarie at October 16, 2021 09:55 PM (gv+02)

135 I live in the house my parents bought the year I was born. Not as many English speakers in the neighborhood these days.

Posted by: huerfano at October 16, 2021 09:56 PM (MzKgG)

136 Talk about the cost of an F-150 just reminded of something I just found on my newish car. It is a little sticker that you have to really want to read. But Toyota has the vehicle spying on me all in the name of monitoring the health of the car.

What jumped out at me was this tidbit being reported - location.

I need to find the off switch.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 09:43 PM (5VLt+)

Knocking that little shark-fin antenna off the roof should fix that. I'll bet you there are EweToobs on disabling those things.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 09:56 PM (olVS3)

137 No, Mom and Dad long gone. My brother and I sold it to a neighbor and friend for her son. She re-modeled it and did a nice job. It is really a solid little house. We still have visitation rights,

Posted by: Javems at October 16, 2021 09:47 PM (AmoqO)

Always seems weird going to houses I used to live in. If they want to sell soon, you should find out the price. Compare between build price then and sale price now....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 16, 2021 09:57 PM (7bRMQ)

138 I think few, even older folks, really appreciate just how more reliable modern cars are...


ha ha well not when you prefer Land Rovers...

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 16, 2021 09:57 PM (j9HX3)

139 If any suicide with a remnant of a soul thought seriously about the wreckage of innocents their act would leave behind...
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at October 16, 2021 09:44 PM (hOUT3)


It's truly awful for those left behind. Sadly, a lot of them seem to be teenagers and young adults. It just devastates their families.

Posted by: nerdygirl at October 16, 2021 09:59 PM (+lVUW)

140 131 I met a nice cat today on my walk.

Took a pet like no problem. Wasn't afraid at all.

That was a great cat right there.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 16, 2021 09:49 PM (OU+8W)
* * * *
Maybe it was an angel with a message for you from Heaven... Keep your eyes and heart open for a cat adoption opportunity!
Posted by: Legally Sufficient, Believing in America at October 16, 2021 09:52 PM (rwusL)


BeckChas, listen to the wisdom of Legally Sufficient!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - Your Fearless Leaders Have, and Deserve, Special Privileges! at October 16, 2021 09:59 PM (hOUT3)

141 Muldoon, interesting question - haven't heard of anyone suing coz they got covid

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 16, 2021 10:00 PM (YZG/i)

142

I've taken the fuse for the "DCM module" out of my Toyota truck... I hope that stops the telemetry...

Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 10:00 PM (iOxrB)

143 Arooooof!

Posted by: Sandy at October 16, 2021 10:01 PM (VxC1e)

144 I dunno, Tom Servo.

My dad committed suicide. He blamed me. He didn't think anyone would be better off except him. He was an asshole who was determined to make me feel responsible for his failures.

Unless you are in the head of a person who pulls the trigger, you really don't know their motivation.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 10:01 PM (U2p+3)

145 Someone had to do it:

Buckcherry - Crazy Bitch

https://tinyurl.com/dvsj65w7

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 16, 2021 10:02 PM (BFigT)

146 BeckoningChasm,
The universe is trying to tell you that you're almost ready.

Don't turn down the opportunity when it is presented.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 10:03 PM (U2p+3)

147 Posted by: Tom Servo at October 16, 2021 09:51 PM (evAgx)

I understand that perfectly , but it still saddens me to have friends that thirty years later are still wondering why did my brother do that?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - Your Fearless Leaders Have, and Deserve, Special Privileges! at October 16, 2021 10:03 PM (hOUT3)

148 I think I have an adequate amount of tolerance for their existence, but I have zero tolerance for their shitty behavior in public spaces.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 09:46 PM (olVS3)


Same goes for heterosexuals. I used to live near a beach. Every so often there would be some idiot guy and his skank girlfriend being disgusting.

Posted by: nerdygirl at October 16, 2021 10:03 PM (+lVUW)

149 haven't heard of anyone suing coz they got covid
Posted by: vmom

****

I've seen sporadic stories of suits being filed, almost all by employees against employers. One in Wisconsin by a mother against a school district when her kid tested positive asymptomatically. I have NOT found any reports of a winning suit or a monetary award or settlement.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 16, 2021 10:03 PM (5Woea)

150 I've taken the fuse for the "DCM module" out of my Toyota truck... I hope that stops the telemetry...
Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 10:00 PM (iOxrB)

-----------

Daisy. Daisy.
Give me your answer, do.

Posted by: Tacoma 9000 at October 16, 2021 10:04 PM (VxC1e)

151 However, while we all can't escape to the beach you can still get those dreamy waves at home thanks to Beachwaver.

Honestly, I thought the name of this product was going to be Beaverwaver.

Disappointz. And the beaver theme was running so smoothly. Sad

Thanks for the ONT MisHum.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 16, 2021 10:04 PM (F0YaR)

152 Greetings horde!

FJB and carry on

Posted by: Zeera Hunkering down here, Boss at October 16, 2021 10:04 PM (fC8md)

153 Arooooof!
Posted by: Sandy at October 16, 2021 10:01 PM (VxC1e)


That's a start Sandy, keep it up!

Posted by: Conor at October 16, 2021 10:04 PM (hOUT3)

154 Daisy. Daisy.
Give me your answer, do.

Posted by: Tacoma 9000 at October 16, 2021 10:04 PM



*snort

Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 10:05 PM (iOxrB)

155 Nurse Ratched, I am so sorry that your father did such a horrible thing to you. I hope that you have learned , like I had to, that deciding to be a happy person is the way to defeat fathers like that.

Posted by: Akua Makana at October 16, 2021 10:05 PM (y8VWj)

156 I've taken the fuse for the "DCM module" out of my Toyota truck... I hope that stops the telemetry...
Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 10:00 PM (iOxrB)

I don't own any vehicles that are new enough to have a device that phones home. My 2008 Suburban was available with OnStar, but being an ex cop vehicle, was not so equipped.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 10:06 PM (olVS3)

157 J.D. Martinez and Rafael Devers each his a grand slam in back-to-back innings for the Red Sox against Houston in ALCS game 2 today. First time in MLB history, two grand slams in one post-season game.

Evening, Hordelings! Off to read the content.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 16, 2021 10:08 PM (OssQ4)

158 And so with the cost of modern cars and trucks, we are reminded once again, just how idiotic and wasteful, Obama's "Cash for Clunkers" was.
Posted by: nerdygirl at October 16, 2021 09:51 PM (+lVUW)


A cunning liberal plan, cleverly instituted by the UniParty, that made no sense at all, except that it helped to impoverish the peasants...

Posted by: Conor at October 16, 2021 10:08 PM (hOUT3)

159 Posted by: Akua Makana

Indeed!

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 10:08 PM (U2p+3)

160 7 I coulda been first if the ONT had arrived at 10 sharp, just sayin

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 16, 2021 09:06 PM (YZG/i)


And I coulda been rich if I didn't spend most of my money. Okay, all of it. Yeah, alright, all of it plus what I could borrow.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 16, 2021 10:09 PM (F0YaR)

161 129 I think few, even older folks, really appreciate just how more reliable modern cars are...
Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 09:52 PM (iOxrB)


Cars used to rust all to heck. You don't even see rust on cars anymore.

Posted by: nerdygirl at October 16, 2021 10:10 PM (+lVUW)

162 Oh Vmom, thanks for the prayers for MiL.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 16, 2021 10:11 PM (7bRMQ)

163 There's a townhouse for sale next door to me. It's pretty cute. 3 br, 2 1/2 baths. 1700 sq ft. No view. A couple blocks from the beach.

950k.

Anybody wanna give me a million dollars?

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 10:11 PM (U2p+3)

164
per Dave Ramsey, the avg. car payment today is $510 per month

Posted by: will choose a nic later at October 16, 2021 10:11 PM (bTQ72)

165 LOL best lock picking lawyer video ever!

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 16, 2021 10:12 PM (OssQ4)

166 - - You don't even see rust on cars anymore.


Wanna bet?

Posted by: Wisconsin baby !! at October 16, 2021 10:12 PM (bTQ72)

167 21 Who the heck wants a beer chaser with a Bloody Mary?

Posted by: Splunge at October 16, 2021 09:13 PM (S7/a+)


Emergency backup. Service, these days, can be somewhat spotty.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 16, 2021 10:13 PM (F0YaR)

168 Crazy Bitch is a Buckcherry Song and was quite popular in the 2000s, got lots of radio play. Im supprised the voice activated radio didnt play that.

Posted by: KarlHungus at October 16, 2021 10:13 PM (5n3p5)

169 Dad: "Save every month what the bank would charge you. In two years you can pay cash,"

Posted by: Some Rat at October 16, 2021 10:13 PM (r1z5A)

170 Looks like I'll be spending the TxMoMe at the vet, getting Scotty neutered. He's finally old enough, and given that his pee is starting to develop That Smell ... I think that had best take priority over fun.

Posted by: Ann Wilson, aka Empire 1 at October 16, 2021 10:14 PM (JJatH)

171 A cunning liberal plan, cleverly instituted by the UniParty, that made no sense at all, except that it helped to impoverish the peasants...
Posted by: Conor at October 16, 2021 10:08 PM (hOUT3)

I am not really worried about a scarcity of vehicles. My existing fleet will last the remainder of my life, no problem.

If the Deep State really wants to immobilize us, all they need do is close the gas stations, and raise the price of vehicle tags to prohibitive levels.

"Five thousand dollars for tags for my 1963 Studebaker?"

DMV: "Sir, have you priced out the cost of self-adhesive sticker material lately?"

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 10:14 PM (olVS3)

172 Emergency backup. Service, these days, can be somewhat spotty.
Posted by: GnuBreed


Ah, the hundred mile spare of the drink set.

Posted by: Some Rat at October 16, 2021 10:14 PM (r1z5A)

173 I've taken the fuse for the "DCM module" out of my Toyota truck... I hope that stops the telemetry...
Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 10:00 PM (iOxrB)

But now you can't upgrade it to Windows 11, though.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 16, 2021 10:15 PM (OssQ4)

174 I have an 840$ /month car payment. Funny its an f150... Not one of my best descisions but we needed a safe new vehicle for longer cross state travel with a new baby... So it is what it is. My daily is a POS though.

Posted by: KarlHungus at October 16, 2021 10:16 PM (5n3p5)

175 fun traffic light game ...

how much is that persons car payment? for the vehicle around you

something like 70-80% of the cars on the road have payments

Posted by: will choose a nic later at October 16, 2021 10:16 PM (bTQ72)

176 Anybody wanna give me a million dollars?
Posted by: nurse ratched

Would you take a bad check?

Posted by: Tonypete at October 16, 2021 10:16 PM (mD/uy)

177 Looking at new F-150, the base price on the very basic truck is 30K. OK, well, I would like cruise control. In order to obtain cruise, package 101A must be purchased which includes:
101A Package Features:

Reverse Sensing SystemPower Door LocksFlip Key and Integrated Key Transmitter Keyless-entryXL Power Equipment GroupMyKeyPower Front and Rear WindowsPower Tailgate LockCruise Control
Illuminated EntryPerimeter AlarmPower Glass Sideview Mirrors with Black Skull Caps

Which most of I DON'T WANT.
Except for the Black Skull Caps, got to have those.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 10:16 PM (HMNhg)

178 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 10:14 PM (olVS3)

$5.00/gal is not quite there, but #SOON...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) - Lie back and think of that sweet graft! ~ at October 16, 2021 10:17 PM (hOUT3)

179 And to add a V8, one must purchase a package that adds up to 6K.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 10:17 PM (HMNhg)

180 A cunning liberal plan, cleverly instituted by the UniParty, that made no sense at all, except that it helped to impoverish the peasants...
Posted by: Conor at October 16, 2021 10:08 PM (hOUT3)


Yup, destroying all those lovely vehicles that could have been sold as used cars. Once again the democrats screwed over the low and moderate income people that they pretend to care about. And the low income people didn't realize that Obama was the reason that used cars spiked in price.

Posted by: nerdygirl at October 16, 2021 10:18 PM (+lVUW)

181 Anybody wanna give me a million dollars?
Posted by: nurse ratched

Would you take a bad check?
Posted by: Tonypete


Yep, BIG difference between want and can.

Posted by: Some Rat at October 16, 2021 10:18 PM (r1z5A)

182 It's so hard when family is far away and sick OrangeEnt

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 16, 2021 10:18 PM (YZG/i)

183 There's a townhouse for sale next door to me. It's pretty cute. 3 br, 2 1/2 baths. 1700 sq ft. No view. A couple blocks from the beach.

950k.

Anybody wanna give me a million dollars?
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 10:11 PM (U2p+3)

For a little less money:

https://tinyurl.com/45vjdx5m

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 10:19 PM (olVS3)

184 "Five thousand dollars for tags for my 1963 Studebaker?"

DMV: "Sir, have you priced out the cost of self-adhesive sticker material lately?"

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 10:14 PM (olVS3)


In MS, the cost for a LIFETIME classic car tag is $50. Or it was, when I bought one for the '69 Vette. That was quite a few years ago though.

The moral of the story is buy 25+ year old cars and fuck the state forever.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 16, 2021 10:19 PM (F0YaR)

185 $5.00/gal is not quite there, but #SOON...
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) - Lie back and think of that sweet graft!

And let's not forget the "per mile" charge coming to fuck rural America!

Posted by: Some Rat at October 16, 2021 10:19 PM (r1z5A)

186

Getting a Toyota Tacoma with a manual gearbox adds 7K to the base price as that option only comes with a bunch of other add-ons...

Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 10:20 PM (iOxrB)

187 144 I dunno, Tom Servo.

My dad committed suicide. He blamed me. He didn't think anyone would be better off except him. He was an asshole who was determined to make me feel responsible for his failures.

Unless you are in the head of a person who pulls the trigger, you really don't know their motivation.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 10:01 PM (U2p+3)

I understand your point. And I tried to say originally, at the end, that there is a subset of person who kill themselves *because* of the pain they will bring to others, and those people are just evil.

It still surprises me, since I never wanted to be in that situation, but I've had the opportunity to be able to talk more than one person out of it at the crucial moment. Sadly, I've also had to be the one who called the police and found the body twice. I've been around it far more than I ever should have.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 16, 2021 10:21 PM (evAgx)

188 For a little less money:
https://tinyurl.com/45vjdx5m
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 10:19 PM (olVS3)


And even fewer rights than you have in the former United States of Amerikkka, but in a year or two, it might make sense!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) - Lie back and think of that sweet graft! ~ at October 16, 2021 10:22 PM (hOUT3)

189 In MS, the cost for a LIFETIME classic car tag is $50. Or it was, when I bought one for the '69 Vette. That was quite a few years ago though.

The moral of the story is buy 25+ year old cars and fuck the state forever.
Posted by: GnuBreed


State of Wa. 100 dollars, however the vehicle cannot be used as a daily driver.

Posted by: Some Rat at October 16, 2021 10:22 PM (r1z5A)

190 And let's not forget the "per mile" charge coming to fuck rural America!
Posted by: Some Rat at October 16, 2021 10:19 PM (r1z5A)

They'll have to have vehicle tracking to make that one work.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 10:22 PM (olVS3)

191

I've read Nicaragua is not as bad as it used to be...

Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 10:23 PM (iOxrB)

192 AOP,
What a beautiful place. I could probably get a job if I brush up on my Spanish. But can jon citizens purchase property? And Nicaragua used to be pretty darn sketchy

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 10:23 PM (U2p+3)

193 Yeah I need to suss out how to quietly smother that digital Stasi.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 10:23 PM (5VLt+)

194 And even fewer rights than you have in the former United States of Amerikkka, but in a year or two, it might make sense!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) - Lie back and think of that sweet graft! ~ at October 16, 2021 10:22 PM (hOUT3)

There's a gun store about an hour's drive from that house.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 10:24 PM (olVS3)

195 I understand your point. And I tried to say originally, at the end, that there is a subset of person who kill themselves *because* of the pain they will bring to others,...

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 16, 2021 10:21 PM (evAgx)
--------------

It may be more than a subset.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 10:24 PM (HMNhg)

196 They'll have to have vehicle tracking to make that one work.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon


It will be in the license plate you'll be required to get.

Posted by: Some Rat at October 16, 2021 10:24 PM (r1z5A)

197 The moral of the story is buy 25+ year old cars and fuck the state forever.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 16, 2021 10:19 PM (F0YaR)


Oh Comrade, I like the way you think. In fact I like it so much I have added YOUR thoughts to my "special" notebook!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) - Lie back and think of that sweet graft! ~ at October 16, 2021 10:24 PM (hOUT3)

198 T or F??


Blondes? No, it's redheads who have more fun! Survey finds women with red hair have more romantic encounters

mebe, they are collecting souls??

Posted by: will choose a nic later at October 16, 2021 10:24 PM (bTQ72)

199 Fire Pie

Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 16, 2021 10:25 PM (WF/xn)

200 If I had a million dollars
I'd buy your love

Posted by: Barenaked Ladies at October 16, 2021 10:25 PM (VxC1e)

201 Looking at new F-150, the base price on the very basic truck is 30K. OK, well, I would like cruise control. In order to obtain cruise, package 101A

On one of my previous cars, I had cruise control installed after market.

Posted by: nerdygirl at October 16, 2021 10:26 PM (+lVUW)

202 AOP,
What a beautiful place. I could probably get a job if I brush up on my Spanish. But can jon citizens purchase property? And Nicaragua used to be pretty darn sketchy
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 10:23 PM (U2p+3)

Yes, non-citizens can purchase property there. My sister owns a place there. Surprisingly, Daniel Ortega freed up a lot of land, beachfront included, for private ownership. That earned him quite a few votes.

He also banned abortion.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 10:26 PM (olVS3)

203 Can't buy me love

Posted by: the Beatles at October 16, 2021 10:27 PM (U2p+3)

204 You know how we all like to pretend we are Alex the Chick?

https://tinyurl.com/chbku6dn

(And tell her Kindltot said Hi)

Posted by: Kindltot at October 16, 2021 10:27 PM (KbLYZ)

205 I am done for the evening good people, enjoy the night and the morrow, and take care of those you love.
Hrothgar

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) - Lie back and think of that sweet graft! ~ at October 16, 2021 10:27 PM (hOUT3)

206 Yeah I need to suss out how to quietly smother that digital Stasi.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 10:23 PM (5VLt+)

Ask Scotty Kilmer.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 16, 2021 10:27 PM (7bRMQ)

207
I always kind of liked that Johnny Paycheck song "Take This Job And Shove It." There's an internet record of him (Donald Eugene Lytle) pleading down a statutory rape charge in Wyoming, 12 year old girl, in 1982.

God damn it. I will not cite him again. It was a cover. Maybe I can find another version, by somebody else.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 16, 2021 10:28 PM (2iDSr)

208 188 For a little less money:
https://tinyurl.com/45vjdx5m
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16,
....

And even fewer rights than you have in the former United States of Amerikkka, but in a year or two, it might make sense!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) -
----------------

Senor, says the nurse, the Dr. took out your stomach by mistake but tomorrow he will go back in and take out that appendage er appendix.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 10:28 PM (HMNhg)

209 It will be in the license plate you'll be required to get.
Posted by: Some Rat at October 16, 2021 10:24 PM (r1z5A)

Any add-on tracking device like that can be defeated, or spoofed. 3D print a duplicate license plate, drive on that, and pop the tracker one on once in a while, and do some short trips.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 10:29 PM (olVS3)

210 Can't buy me love
Posted by: the Beatles

No, but I've heard you can rent a reasonable substitute.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 16, 2021 10:29 PM (mD/uy)

211 Spent two hours over at my Scot neighbor's late this afternoon. Also, soaked up a few ounces of his Laphroaig single malt. Walked home just as the sun was setting.

Curiously, in spite of my poor hearing, and his *thick* brogue, he becomes more understandable as the Scotch flows. Remarkably conservative guy, maintains his Scots citizenship, but is pissed about the direction things are taking here.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 16, 2021 10:29 PM (vooSz)

212
Every agreeable thing turns to shit. I'm tired.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 16, 2021 10:29 PM (2iDSr)

213 Has anyone bought tires lately? Mine have some wear. Not sure if I should buy new ones and keep the old, or just wait.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 16, 2021 10:30 PM (YynYJ)

214 Every agreeable thing turns to shit. I'm tired.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 16, 2021 10:29 PM (2iDSr)

Me too. Let's face it, I'm pooped!

Posted by: Lily Von Schtupp at October 16, 2021 10:31 PM (4I/2K)

215 213 Has anyone bought tires lately? Mine have some wear. Not sure if I should buy new ones and keep the old, or just wait.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 16, 2021 10:30 PM (YynYJ)

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Bald tires kill.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 16, 2021 10:31 PM (VxC1e)

216 Any add-on tracking device like that can be defeated, or spoofed. 3D print a duplicate license plate, drive on that, and pop the tracker one on once in a while, and do some short trips.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon


You're going to end up in Hrothgars book....

Posted by: Some Rat at October 16, 2021 10:32 PM (r1z5A)

217 Has anyone bought tires lately? Mine have some wear. Not sure if I should buy new ones and keep the old, or just wait.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 16, 2021 10:30 PM (YynYJ)

Can you see Lincoln's head?

Posted by: JW Booth at October 16, 2021 10:32 PM (7bRMQ)

218 No, it's redheads who have more fun! Survey finds women with red hair have more romantic encounters

mebe, they are collecting souls??
Posted by: will choose a nic later
--------------

Yeah, more jars on the mantle.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 16, 2021 10:32 PM (vooSz)

219 Has anyone bought tires lately? Mine have some wear. Not sure if I should buy new ones and keep the old, or just wait.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward

I've had to order the ones I want, they are a few weeks out, at least. Supply issues, don't ya know. I don't need or want, the ones available (most expensive).

265/70 R18

Posted by: Tonypete at October 16, 2021 10:33 PM (mD/uy)

220 Thanks a boat load Toyota... I must call them to Opt Out.

And get a load of this - Safety Connect uses your vehicle's Location Data, or "vehicle location" (your vehicle's latitude and longitude) to determine where your vehicle needs assistance, your Personal Information (such as your name, address, phone number, email address, etc.) to verify your account, and your Voice Recordings (when you call our Response Center) for quality assurance.

Burn it with fire.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2021 10:33 PM (5VLt+)

221 I need to have a couple thousand dollars of repairs and maintenance done on my 2009 lesbaru. Not looking forward to it

Needs brakes, timing chain, I have an exhaust leak and some other stuff. Ugh.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 10:33 PM (U2p+3)

222 These aren't bald and the tread is still pretty good. The spare is new. Front tires are the ones showing some wear. They are all season so good enough for the driving I do. I just don't know if they will be in short supply next year.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 16, 2021 10:35 PM (YynYJ)

223
Australia has gone full fascist, and on non-Covid shit. I was just reading. They've passed a law in some Western Australia province/state whatever they call to crack down on biker and biker gangs. They claim there's been a big problem.

The law forbids bikers from associating. Any gathering of bikers is illegal. Any displays of colors or biker gang affiliations is banned. This includes tattoos. Any biker tattoos must be covered with clothing or makeup. No exceptions. The guys with face tattoos are effectively outlawed from appearing in public, unless they slather on blackface or something.

Penalties include jail times of one year and up.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 16, 2021 10:35 PM (Mzdiz)

224
Me too. Let's face it, I'm pooped!
Posted by: Lily Von Schtupp at October 16, 2021 10:31 PM (4I/2K)

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How's your daughter, Sparky? Checked recently?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 16, 2021 10:35 PM (2iDSr)

225 I plan on driving my 2011 Wrangler for another 10 years or more.

Just sold my Mom's 1997 Nissan Sentra. It had only 16,200 miles on it .

Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 10:35 PM (2DOZq)

226 Has anyone bought tires lately? Mine have some wear. Not sure if I should buy new ones and keep the old, or just wait.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 16, 2021 10:30 PM (YynYJ)

Tires deteriorate from non-use, too. I would be inclined to drive the existing ones until they are well and truly worn, meanwhile watching sales, in case tires in your size come on sale. Might also not hurt to make the acquaintance of one or two tire store managers, and ask to be notified if a set of "take-offs" turns up. Some customers will buy a new or late-model used vehicle, and have perfectly good tires removed and replaced with their personal choice of brand.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 10:35 PM (olVS3)

227 Discount Tire are honest people. Take your vehicle in and get an appraisal.

They give good service and are everywhere.
If you have a tire problem in this state or that, they are there. - And you won't wait all day.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 10:36 PM (HMNhg)

228 I just don't know if they will be in short supply next year.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward


Everything will be child, EVERYTHING.

Posted by: Some Rat at October 16, 2021 10:36 PM (r1z5A)

229 223 Keep an eye on Australia. It's a test lab for what the Great Reset loonies want to try on us.

Posted by: callsign claymore at October 16, 2021 10:37 PM (FZ0KH)

230 Brought to you by Carl's Jr.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 16, 2021 10:37 PM (vuisn)

231 213 Has anyone bought tires lately? Mine have some wear. Not sure if I should buy new ones and keep the old, or just wait.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 16, 2021 10:30 PM (YynYJ)


Shitty tires are not a place I skimp money on. I bought a pair of Michelins for my Gran Marquis last year; a bit over $300 and well worth it.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 16, 2021 10:38 PM (F0YaR)

232 We get tires from a cash only place. They order them from the warehouse. I'm pretty sure they survived the shutdowns. I think I'll just plan on it costing a lot more.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 16, 2021 10:39 PM (YynYJ)

233 Just sold my Mom's 1997 Nissan Sentra. It had only 16,200 miles on it .
Posted by: Just a side note at October 16, 2021 10:35 PM (2DOZq)

Somebody got a hell of a deal, there. If well cared for, that car should still be running in 2027.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 10:39 PM (olVS3)

234 >>Jerry > Bobby

Well, yea.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2021 10:40 PM (ZLI7S)

235 I plan on driving my 2011 Wrangler for another 10 years or more.

Just sold my Mom's 1997 Nissan Sentra. It had only 16,200 miles on it .
Posted by: Just a side note


I've started looking for replacement parts for my '03 dodge pickem up. It runs fine, but nice to have the stuff in house, just in case.

Posted by: Some Rat at October 16, 2021 10:40 PM (r1z5A)

236 What a beautiful place. I could probably get a job if I brush up on my Spanish. But can jon citizens purchase property? And Nicaragua used to be pretty darn sketchy
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 10:23 PM (U2p+3)


I was thinking Paraguay.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 16, 2021 10:40 PM (KbLYZ)

237 I used to put Pirellis or Michelins on my Mazda 626, when I was driving a lot of miles. This Yukon was well maintained. I'm just trying to take good care of it.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 16, 2021 10:41 PM (YynYJ)

238 >>>Needs brakes, timing chain, I have an exhaust leak and some other stuff. Ugh.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 10:33 PM (U2p+3)
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Exhaust leak, if you know someone who is handy.
Flashing or a big tin can, two stove bolts, four washers and two nuts.

_ _ ^_ _ _ _ _ _^_ ____

That v crimp is part of the sheet, drill two parallel holes, wrap it around the exhaust pipe allowing the leading edge to slip under, then pass the stove bolts through the parallel holes and tighten. hand tight, not too tight.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 10:42 PM (HMNhg)

239 Keep an eye on Australia. It's a test lab for what the Great Reset loonies want to try on us.
Posted by: callsign claymore

Agreed, and wonder how much "advice" we're giving them.

Posted by: Some Rat at October 16, 2021 10:42 PM (r1z5A)

240 234 >>Jerry > Bobby

Well, yea.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2021 10:40 PM (ZLI7S)

Hi Jack! oh wait I'm glad I'm not on an airplane.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 16, 2021 10:43 PM (evAgx)

241

Good and hard, Australia, good and hard...

Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 10:44 PM (iOxrB)

242 Shitty tires are not a place I skimp money on. I bought a pair of Michelins for my Gran Marquis last year; a bit over $300 and well worth it.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 16, 2021 10:38 PM (F0YaR)

There's quite a gap between "worn a bit" and "worn out". If the existing tires are sound, run them until the tread wear indicators show up, then replace. But be ready to replace early if a screaming deal shows up on new or near-new tires in the meantime. Tires carry a date code, and are now considered to be "aged out" if over ten years old. Funny. I have 50 year old bias ply tires that still hold air. And I would not run them on a daily driver!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 10:44 PM (olVS3)

243 Needs brakes, timing chain, I have an exhaust leak and some other stuff. Ugh.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 10:33 PM (U2p+3)


My suggestion if you haven't thought about it is to do the head gasket too. It is cheaper to do that all at one go and the timing chain is a good excuse to do that

Posted by: Kindltot at October 16, 2021 10:44 PM (KbLYZ)

244 Thank you all, the greatest bunch of folks on the planet.

And yes, I seriously considered scooping that guy up and shanghaing him...but his friendly level was so high that he was clearly someone else's pet. And I didn't want to deprive them of him. (He was that good.)

But yeah, the time draws near. Got everything ready except food. (Which a true cat would say "You're not ready, you're not even pretending to be ready" and I'd, like, wither or something.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 16, 2021 10:44 PM (OU+8W)

245 I was thinking Paraguay.
Posted by: Kindltot


Friend just returned from Ecuador after 8 yrs. said it was getting too sketchy for his comfort. Didn't give particulars and I was too drunk to ask.

Posted by: Some Rat at October 16, 2021 10:45 PM (r1z5A)

246 Paraguay has some beautiful areas. Great steaks.

Posted by: Parametric at October 16, 2021 10:45 PM (eOSuW)

247 Hey Tom

Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2021 10:46 PM (ZLI7S)

248 Exhaust leak, if you know someone who is handy.
Flashing or a big tin can, two stove bolts, four washers and two nuts.

_ _ ^_ _ _ _ _ _^_ ____

That v crimp is part of the sheet, drill two parallel holes, wrap it around the exhaust pipe allowing the leading edge to slip under, then pass the stove bolts through the parallel holes and tighten. hand tight, not too tight.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 10:42 PM (HMNhg)

That works if it is just a hole in a muffler or a rusty pipe. All too often, though, it's a warped coupling flange, or a rusted-through seam on the muffler. Sometimes such leaks can be patched by welding.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 10:47 PM (olVS3)

249 No Heated LED Illuminated Polarized IR Filtered Bevel-cut Crown Glass Passenger Side Vanity Mirror in 101A?

Whither civilization.

Posted by: klaftern at October 16, 2021 10:48 PM (taPSh)

250 Recently read that Chile was the most civilized S.American country.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 10:48 PM (HMNhg)

251
I just can't believe where I'm at now. I now stand in full solidarity with bikers with face tattoos.

God sure has one hell of a sense of humor.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 16, 2021 10:49 PM (Mzdiz)

252 ...the most civilized S.American country.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 10:48 PM



Now do Africa!

Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 10:49 PM (iOxrB)

253 I am about to buy a manual transmission 2001 Hyundai Accent that appears to have a bad head gasket or bad bad rings.

for $700 I think I can fix anything necessary

Posted by: Kindltot at October 16, 2021 10:50 PM (KbLYZ)

254 Warped coupling flange = SOL

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 10:51 PM (HMNhg)

255 I'm sorry, Nurse.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 16, 2021 10:53 PM (ybIRR)

256 Is that really you, Jack?
*hugs*

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 10:53 PM (U2p+3)

257 252 ...the most civilized S.American country.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 10:48 PM

Now do Africa!
Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 10:49 PM (iOxrB)

Egypt, 3,500 years ago. It's been downhill for them ever since then.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 16, 2021 10:53 PM (evAgx)

258 Now do Africa!
Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 10:49 PM (iOxrB)
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Not the slightest of a consideration.
Nor Europe.
If I were young and healthy maybe Poland, Czech Republic, or Hungary.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 10:53 PM (HMNhg)

259 Stay classy, Vol fans.

Posted by: Bert G, On the Road at October 16, 2021 10:53 PM (K4r9h)

260 My suggestion if you haven't thought about it is to do the head gasket too. It is cheaper to do that all at one go and the timing chain is a good excuse to do that
Posted by: Kindltot at October 16, 2021 10:44 PM (KbLYZ)

Scooby-doos have two head gaskets, being an opposed flat four, or flat six in some cases? Not sure if they use a timing chain, or a timing belt. Timing chains have automatic slack adjusters, and can last a long time. Timing belts have to be replaced on a strict schedule. If a timing belt fails, the engine can be effectively destroyed, if it is an interference engine.

2005 onwards, all Subies have interference engines. "Interference" means that pistons and valves are so positioned that they can both try to occupy the same space if the timing belt fails to keep them operating at the right time. That rarely ends well.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 10:56 PM (olVS3)

261 234 >>Jerry > Bobby

Well, yea.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2021 10:40 PM (ZLI7S)


Keep posting, dude. Ignore the bitchers.

There will always be critics.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 16, 2021 10:56 PM (F0YaR)

262 Nurse if you're talking about Nicarahgyuwa (British pronunciation), AOP has family there and has spent time there, would have some direct intel.

Know nothing about the town, but Esteli sounds like my kind of place. Central American cigar-making capital.

There are parts of almost every Central and South American country that are spectacular, in terms of nature, civilization, culture. The rough edges vary tremendously, too. This was decades ago, but large parts of southern Brazil were less wealthy and developed than the US or Europe (duh) - but beautiful, safe, interesting places.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 16, 2021 10:56 PM (OTzUX)

263 >>Recently read that Chile was the most civilized S.American country.

Not sure if I would chose the word civilized but livable I would absolutely agree. Particularly southern Chile. Would remind you of the Pacific northwest.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2021 10:56 PM (ZLI7S)

264 I did deadlifts and yoga today. I will sleep well.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 16, 2021 10:57 PM (ybIRR)

265 I am about to buy a manual transmission 2001 Hyundai Accent that appears to have a bad head gasket or bad bad rings.

for $700 I think I can fix anything necessary
Posted by: Kindltot at October 16, 2021 10:50 PM (KbLYZ)

Should be plenty of them in the Pick and Pull, if you need a head. Check the head for warpage if you remove it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 10:58 PM (olVS3)

266 Haiti: 17 Christian missionaries from the United States and their family members were kidnapped on Saturday by a gang in Port-au-Prince

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 10:58 PM (HMNhg)

267 >>Is that really you, Jack?

Hi nurse. How are the boys?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2021 11:00 PM (ZLI7S)

268 Cape Verde. Eritrea. Thirty years ago, Ivory Coast. Parts of South Africa (in the past). Depending on tastes and interests, could be very nice.

Botswana has quietly been probably the best run African country for a long time, no idea how they're doing now. I think next door, Namibia, owing to colonial echoes (German) and sparse population and spectacular nature, is OK for certain people.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 16, 2021 11:00 PM (OTzUX)

269 AOP, my old Subaru blew a headgasket and I was told you either picked a time to replace it or it chooses it for you.

For mine they suggested I change the timing chain at the same time since they have to pretty much do the same take down of the engine to get to it.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 16, 2021 11:00 PM (KbLYZ)

270 Recently read that Chile was the most civilized S.American country.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 10:48 PM (HMNhg)

Not all heroes wear capes.

But Pinochet did.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 16, 2021 11:00 PM (ybIRR)

271 Particularly southern Chile. Would remind you of the Pacific northwest.
Posted by: JackStraw

If there's mountains and sailing and cool weather I'll be happy. I just don't like being hot and sweaty all the time. And I have to be able to hike and backpack and explore.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 11:00 PM (U2p+3)

272 All are welcome here. Even those who guessed wrongly. The only ones turned away are those who persist in stupidity.

Of course, I'm no-one and I don't make the rules and no one should listen to what I say.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 16, 2021 11:02 PM (OU+8W)

273 Nurse if you're talking about Nicarahgyuwa (British pronunciation), AOP has family there and has spent time there, would have some direct intel.


Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 16, 2021 10:56 PM (OTzUX)

To be clear, my sis owns a vacation home there, but we have no actual Nica family. I do like the Nica people I have met. Very friendly. Last time I was there, there was a murder in a village across the lake. Your basic Frankie and Johnny thing, unfaithful wife, hubby got stabby. Not bandits robbing gringos.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 11:02 PM (olVS3)

274 It is best to buy tires 4 at a time. New ones will wear out faster when paired with old ones.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 16, 2021 11:03 PM (ybIRR)

275 JackStraw,
Boys are good. Marine just left for Japan for his MEU. He's so very excited. He will be gone until June 2022.

Did you get out on the water much over the summer?

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 11:03 PM (U2p+3)

276 There's quite a gap between "worn a bit" and "worn out". If the existing tires are sound, run them until the tread wear indicators show up, then replace. But be ready to replace early if a screaming deal shows up on new or near-new tires in the meantime. Tires carry a date code, and are now considered to be "aged out" if over ten years old. Funny. I have 50 year old bias ply tires that still hold air. And I would not run them on a daily driver!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 10:44 PM (olVS3) [/]

I had to replace those Marquis tires because one couldn't be patched; over 10 years old. And I always buy matched pairs. Now, I've plugged quite a few tires myself, but this one needed an internal patch plus innertube. Plenty of tread left. Oh well.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 16, 2021 11:05 PM (F0YaR)

277

Haiti's problem is that it's entirely populated with Haitians...

Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 11:05 PM (iOxrB)

278 Washington State Trooper in Yakima, Wash. signs off after 22 years - fired by Gov Inslee for being unvaccinated.

"This is the last time you'll hear me in a patrol car and Jay Inslee can kiss my ass."

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 11:05 PM (HMNhg)

279 Happy, happy, happy! My Boilers pummeled #2 undefeated Iowa today!

Posted by: Aud at October 16, 2021 11:06 PM (uBywd)

280 Anna Puma,
this is what I found for the Toyota Tacoma
https://tinyurl.com/693cxu62

Posted by: Chuck C at October 16, 2021 11:07 PM (EughT)

281 Hey everybody. Hey ONT! Thanks MisHum!

Been woikin' at UberEats and Doordash lately. Got to deal with my first drunk customer yesterday. Fun fun fun.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 16, 2021 11:08 PM (L2ZTs)

282 Illtemperedcur, invest in a blowtorch.

Posted by: flounder at October 16, 2021 11:08 PM (KnJdm)

283 And yes. I will have the head gasket replaced as well. It's also never had a tune up.

It only has 73k miles on it.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 11:08 PM (U2p+3)

284 Danny Elfman's score for Batman (1989) is quite good.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 16, 2021 11:09 PM (OU+8W)

285 >>If there's mountains and sailing and cool weather I'll be happy. I just don't like being hot and sweaty all the time. And I have to be able to hike and backpack and explore.

>>All of that and more. It's really a gorgeous place.

Chile is like the west coast of the US inverted, northern Chile is a desert, also very beautiful but desert. The further south you go the more at home you would feel. Some of the best fly fishing in the world for salmon is in southern Chile. And the mountains are smaller in the south but still great. Lots of national parks and hiking. And the people are very friendly.

Chile is high on my list of places of favorite places and southern Chile is the best for my wants.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2021 11:09 PM (ZLI7S)

286 For mine they suggested I change the timing chain at the same time since they have to pretty much do the same take down of the engine to get to it.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 16, 2021 11:00 PM (KbLYZ)

That sounds entirely reasonable. There are Hondas on which, if you replace the timing belt, you also replace the water pump, because it acts as an idler for the timing belt, and if when it fails, it takes out the timing belt, too. When replacing timing belts and/or chains, it's good policy to also renew any idlers or sprockets involved. And on a V8 engine, if you replace the timing chain, you may as well hang on a new water pump, too. You have to take it off to get at the timing chain, and while a water pump failure won't directly impact the timing chain, you are already doing the labor when you replace the timing chain. And a new water pump will cost less than an hour of shop labor.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 11:09 PM (olVS3)

287 JackStraw, welcome back.

Posted by: flounder at October 16, 2021 11:10 PM (KnJdm)

288 A man who works for the sergeant-at-arms of the U.S. House of Representatives has been arrested and charged with 10 felonies related to the possession of child pornography.

Fairfax County police arrested Stefan Bieret, of Burke, Va., on Wednesday

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 11:11 PM (HMNhg)

289 "This is the last time you'll hear me in a patrol car and Jay Inslee can kiss my ass."

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 11:05 PM (HMNhg)

This is quite the wakeup call for assorted and sundry formerly state-appreciative folks. Good.

Posted by: flounder at October 16, 2021 11:12 PM (KnJdm)

290 Braenyard: he was just trying to fit in with other House Democrats :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 16, 2021 11:13 PM (L2ZTs)

291 Rubber timing belts need to be replaced at 100k miles. Timing chains are forever, pretty much, if they ride on metal timing gears.

I did manage to stretch a metal timing chain once, but mucho HP was involved. The timing light showed the timing marks had epilepsy.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 16, 2021 11:13 PM (F0YaR)

292 >>Did you get out on the water much over the summer?

Not enough but it never is. Helped a friend bring a boat back from Block today and just got home a bit ago. Sadly, the season is almost over.

Good to hear the boys are doing well.

Hi Gnu and flounder and thanks. Nice to see all of you.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2021 11:14 PM (ZLI7S)

293 >> arrested and charged with 10 felonies related to the possession of child pornography.

Sounds like a perfect candidate for the Loudon County school board.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 16, 2021 11:14 PM (Mzdiz)

294 289 "This is the last time you'll hear me in a patrol car and Jay Inslee can kiss my ass."

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 11:05 PM (HMNhg)

This is quite the wakeup call for assorted and sundry formerly state-appreciative folks. Good.
Posted by: flounder


Damn. I wish I had the balls to do that. I hope he doesn't lose his pension. Good for him!

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 11:14 PM (U2p+3)

295 I'll take that lack of a response as a no. Thanks y'all. I'm out.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 16, 2021 11:14 PM (5Woea)

296 Apparently I am suffering a side affect of getting the jab.

Regret.

Posted by: Pete Bog at October 16, 2021 11:14 PM (Jzz++)

297 has been arrested and charged with 10 felonies related to the possession of child pornography.

Fairfax County police arrested Stefan Bieret, of Burke, Va., on Wednesday
Posted by: Braenyard

Braenyard: he was just trying to fit in with other House Democrats :-P
Posted by: qdpsteve

Only 10 counts? Child's play!

(Literally.)

Posted by: Tonypete at October 16, 2021 11:15 PM (mD/uy)

298 Heya, Jackstraw. Good to see you back.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at October 16, 2021 11:15 PM (KATBx)

299 Anyone else here enjoy Wing Stop's Atomic wings?

I think they turned down the heat on the recipe a bit. Seems like I can tolerate them a lot better than I used to.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 16, 2021 11:16 PM (L2ZTs)

300 That sounds entirely reasonable.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 11:09 PM (olVS3)

Any time you are cracking the front covers, it makes sense, water pump, possibly timing chain. On a ford 460 water passes through the timing chain cover, which happened to be the one that was first to leak. Timing chain, water pump, and associated seals and hoses.

Posted by: flounder at October 16, 2021 11:16 PM (KnJdm)

301 I had to replace those Marquis tires because one couldn't be patched; over 10 years old. And I always buy matched pairs. Now, I've plugged quite a few tires myself, but this one needed an internal patch plus innertube. Plenty of tread left. Oh well.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 16, 2021 11:05 PM (F0YaR)

I am quite at home patching and plugging tires. Put in a plug as an immediate flat fix; follow up at home by demounting the tire, and putting a patch on the inside where the plug comes through.

For my routine drivers, the ones that are expected to do long highway trips, I like to keep new or near-new tires on them. For my local-run pickup, I use any tires that have tread and hold air. Not junk tires, but older ones with visible wear.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 11:16 PM (olVS3)

302 Only a couple of beers left to sacrifice themselves to me...alas, I must say good night. Always great to mingle with you folks, and please, ignore the screams. It's best that way.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 16, 2021 11:16 PM (OU+8W)

303 *pours bourbon*

While I have considerably more than 73k miles, I do try to get pour a "tune-up" with every ONT.

Does seem to help keep things running smoothly!

Cheers!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 16, 2021 11:16 PM (QzJWU)

304 has been arrested and charged with 10 felonies related to the possession of child pornography.


His timing chain ought to be stretched to the breaking

Posted by: Pete Bog at October 16, 2021 11:17 PM (Jzz++)

305 So. How much money should these bastards be charging me? If it's more than 2500 bucks, I'm screwed.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 11:18 PM (U2p+3)

306
I've driven plugged tires until the wore out. One of my pickups had multiple plugs per tire.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 16, 2021 11:18 PM (Mzdiz)

307 Hi Irongrampa. Good to see you too.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2021 11:20 PM (ZLI7S)

308 ...and please, ignore the screams. It's best that way.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 16, 2021 11:16 PM



One is reminded of that scene from 'Young Frankenstein'...

Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 11:20 PM (iOxrB)

309 "This is the last time you'll hear me in a patrol car and Jay Inslee can kiss my ass."

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 11:05 PM (HMNhg)

This is quite the wakeup call for assorted and sundry formerly state-appreciative folks. Good.
Posted by: flounder

Damn. I wish I had the balls to do that. I hope he doesn't lose his pension. Good for him!
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 11:14 PM (U2p+3)

This is a true American!

Posted by: Diogenes at October 16, 2021 11:20 PM (axyOa)

310
Delta airline has blinked on the vax mandate. They tried some fudging talk, but they blinked. They didn't want a Southwest on their hands.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 16, 2021 11:20 PM (Mzdiz)

311

The timing chain repair is going to be quite dear...

Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 11:21 PM (iOxrB)

312 Rubber timing belts need to be replaced at 100k miles. Timing chains are forever, pretty much, if they ride on metal timing gears.

I did manage to stretch a metal timing chain once, but mucho HP was involved. The timing light showed the timing marks had epilepsy.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 16, 2021 11:13 PM (F0YaR)

90 Toyota 3.0 V6 took a RR crossing too fast and timing belt skipped a tooth. To its credit, it ran, but rough. It was past it's service life. 180K 460 with the new timing chain seemed to run tighter/smoother WRT timing, but it could be that non-quantifiable feeling you get from appreciating your own hard work.

Posted by: flounder at October 16, 2021 11:21 PM (KnJdm)

313 I like all four tires matched and bought at the same time.

But as AOP says, around town it's not that much of a consideration.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 11:22 PM (HMNhg)

314 I just can't believe where I'm at now. I now stand in full solidarity with bikers with face tattoos.

God sure has one hell of a sense of humor.
Posted by: publius
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Pretty sure this guy isn't from Travelers Rest: https://tinyurl.com/3ftazc2k

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 16, 2021 11:22 PM (uxqZF)

315 This is a true American!

Posted by: Diogenes at October 16, 2021 11:20 PM (axyOa)

ICYMI, beer and lunch for you, if you are heading back on 20/395.

Posted by: flounder at October 16, 2021 11:22 PM (KnJdm)

316 >> Pretty sure this guy isn't from Travelers Rest

Maybe post-apocalyptic Travelers Rest.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 16, 2021 11:23 PM (Mzdiz)

317 3 *pours bourbon*

While I have considerably more than 73k miles, I do try to get pour a "tune-up" with every ONT.

Does seem to help keep things running smoothly!

Cheers!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

The ONT is like positraction. It keeps us on the road.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 16, 2021 11:24 PM (axyOa)

318 I've driven plugged tires until the wore out. One of my pickups had multiple plugs per tire.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 16, 2021 11:18 PM (Mzdiz)

I've plugged my own on a subaru, because Costco wouldn't and wanted to replace all four (AWD) for a supposedly unrepairable tire. I get it, but GFY.

Posted by: flounder at October 16, 2021 11:24 PM (KnJdm)

319 While I have considerably more than 73k miles, I do try to get pour a "tune-up" with every ONT.

Does seem to help keep things running smoothly!

Cheers!

Jim
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Good lubrication always helps.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 16, 2021 11:24 PM (lw49D)

320 Rubber timing belts need to be replaced at 100k miles. Timing chains are forever, pretty much, if they ride on metal timing gears.

I did manage to stretch a metal timing chain once, but mucho HP was involved. The timing light showed the timing marks had epilepsy.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 16, 2021 11:13 PM (F0YaR)

Some timing belts even sooner! That is one place where trying to eke out more miles is false economy.

"Silent" timing chains used to last about 100-120 thousand miles; less if they ran on nylon-coated sprockets. There was a rule-of-thumb slack test. Turn engine forward by hand until timing marks line up with pointer. Then turn backwards until slack in timing chain takes up in the reverse direction. Very easy to tell; the effort of turning increases dramatically. IIRC, 8 degrees or less of slack means chain is good; 8-12 degrees, getting pretty worn; 13 degrees or more, it will jump any day now.

I always installed double-roller chains and gears when I had occasion to do one. They last much longer.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 11:24 PM (olVS3)

321 My mechanic - caveat, haven't been there in a year and half - charges $90 per at flat rate manual time plus parts.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 11:24 PM (HMNhg)

322

The silencer leak is a DIY...

Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 11:25 PM (iOxrB)

323 ICYMI, beer and lunch for you, if you are heading back on 20/395.
Posted by: flounder at October 16, 2021 11:22 PM (KnJdm)


Flounder,
???
Not sure what you mean.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 16, 2021 11:26 PM (axyOa)

324

"Some other stuff" is difficult to estimate...

Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 11:27 PM (iOxrB)

325 My mechanic - caveat, haven't been there in a year and half - charges $90 per at flat rate manual time plus parts.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 11:24 PM (HMNhg)

Dang. That's like four trips into town!

Posted by: Diogenes at October 16, 2021 11:27 PM (axyOa)

326
A lot of these tire places just don't want the liability, so their standard for "unrepairable" is pretty strict.

On the farm, we've run tires that actually gave me pucker factor a time or two. My father and lot of others who taught me what I know are the "run shit until it flat-out falls apart" school.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 16, 2021 11:27 PM (Mzdiz)

327 So. How much money should these bastards be charging me? If it's more than 2500 bucks, I'm screwed.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 11:18 PM (U2p+3)

If you see MAXie here, ask him. He is much better acquainted with current shop rates than I am.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 11:27 PM (olVS3)

328 My rear left tire needs to be re-filled every week or so. But every time I take it in to the Walmart tire center? They can't find the leak in it.

Think I should just replace the tire. Either that or maybe the thing is just misbalanced?

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 16, 2021 11:28 PM (L2ZTs)

329 305 So. How much money should these bastards be charging me? If it's more than 2500 bucks, I'm screwed.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 11:18 PM (U2p+3)


Is it a transverse (sideways) mounted engine? Those cost moar. It comes down to labor, pretty much, at $120 per hour. I don't know this, but I would bet there are some online estimators for cars/model/job costs.

You might try hunting around for a couple of sites.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 16, 2021 11:28 PM (F0YaR)

330 2005 onwards, all Subies have interference engines. "Interference" means that pistons and valves are so positioned that they can both try to occupy the same space if the timing belt fails to keep them operating at the right time. That rarely ends well.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 10:56 PM (olVS3)

Somewhere north of 2005 they switch to timing chains on the H4.

Nurse, if you are still around, check with Corey at Automotive, Inc. in Monroe. Tell him flounder from HW sent you. He did our Subaru well. Fair. Conservative. Honest. Hunter.

https://tinyurl.com/5emr4dcf

Posted by: flounder at October 16, 2021 11:29 PM (KnJdm)

331 Correction on that URL.

Automotive, Inc.

https://tinyurl.com/ufpeeyv7

Posted by: flounder at October 16, 2021 11:30 PM (KnJdm)

332 A lot of these tire places just don't want the liability, so their standard for "unrepairable" is pretty strict.

On the farm, we've run tires that actually gave me pucker factor a time or two. My father and lot of others who taught me what I know are the "run shit until it flat-out falls apart" school.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 16, 2021 11:27 PM (Mzdiz)

Liability chill, and the aggravation of "come-backs" is what drives a lot of the seemingly "unnecessary" additions to auto work orders. Not unlike all the "unnecessary" tests ordered by doctors.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 11:30 PM (olVS3)

333 >> But every time I take it in to the Walmart tire center? They can't find the leak in it.

Could be a slightly leak valve stem. Some leaks are so slow, they can't be detected.

When I was a kid and up into my twenties, I could detect and locate tiny leaks by sound alone. Now, with some age, not so much. I can't hear those small hisses, and when I do hear the hiss, I can't localize it.

Hearing wears out, eyesight goes..... dick goes.... it's all downhill.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 16, 2021 11:31 PM (Mzdiz)

334

Brakes? Yer lookin' at least $300 - $400 for just the front, or the rear...

Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 11:31 PM (iOxrB)

335 AOP:
what I wanna know is, what the $#*& happens so violently in an engine that it can throw a rod right through something else that's *solid steel* in the engine?

That's how my dad's 1971 VW Bus died, about 1979.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 16, 2021 11:31 PM (L2ZTs)

336 They can't find the leak in it.

Think I should just replace the tire. Either that or maybe the thing is just misbalanced?
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 16, 2021 11:28 PM (L2ZTs)
---------------

Walmart service stripped out the bolt in my oil pan and the last time they changed the oil I had to drive a screwdriver through the filter to lever it loose. - Never more.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 11:32 PM (HMNhg)

337 publius, thanks.

Yeah, I think I should just replace the tire and be done with it.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 16, 2021 11:32 PM (L2ZTs)

338 Braenyard, yeah I guess we should know by now, we're not gonna get the greatest expertise out of the Walmart guys.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 16, 2021 11:33 PM (L2ZTs)

339 Evening.

One downside to be a truck driver? Showering regularly.

But Robert, I hear you say, nearly every truck stop has showers!

Correct! I reply. But they cost *money*. I didn't take this job to spend money, I took this job to make money. I get free showers at one chain. One chain that has small lots and doesn't do reserve parking and you can forget about finding any parking after three or four in the afternoon.

But I made an exception. It's been three freakin' days, so I made an exception. Right now I'm squeaky clean and so happy about it I could cry. But I won't because I'm a man and I'm not that way.

Oh, damn, look at the time. Night!

Posted by: Robert at October 16, 2021 11:33 PM (DrfNO)

340 Interesting night - daughter is spending the night with her two kids, for the first time in a year and a half. She pulled out the antique bed in the guest bedroom to plug in a charger, bed frame fell apart. (I knew it was shaky) So I just had to pull out the drill and do emergency midnight repairs to a 150 year old bed so we could all sleep tonight.

amazingly, I was successful.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 16, 2021 11:34 PM (evAgx)

341 My rear left tire needs to be re-filled every week or so. But every time I take it in to the Walmart tire center? They can't find the leak in it.

Think I should just replace the tire. Either that or maybe the thing is just misbalanced?
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 16, 2021 11:28 PM (L2ZTs)

Try a different tire shop. Some of those "llanterias" run by Mexican guys can be pretty good.

I had a slow leaker on my pickup that I could not find the leak. Spent an hour with the tire in the test tank, looking for bubbles. Finally, I said "Fuck it", and put a tube in it. Problem solved. You can put a tube in a tubeless tire. It might run hot at highway speeds in hot weather, though. Not a worry on my pickup.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 11:36 PM (olVS3)

342 AOP, thanks!

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 16, 2021 11:36 PM (L2ZTs)

343 Think I should just replace the tire. Either that or maybe the thing is just misbalanced?
Posted by: qdpsteve
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*possibly* the valve stem. Look, just mix up sudsy dish detergent solution, go out and swab the tire with it, including the valve and stem. Slosh it on pretty well, and look closely for any bubbles blowing up, perhaps slowly. If you see nothing, move the car to rotate 90 deg., try again.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 16, 2021 11:37 PM (TMb1F)

344 ...Hearing wears out, eyesight goes..... dick goes.... it's all downhill.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 16, 2021 11:31 PM



It's a mixed bag... The skill at treachery and a solid indifference to human suffering that come with ageing are pluses!

Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 11:37 PM (iOxrB)

345 >> Yeah, I think I should just replace the tire and be done with it.

Make sure to replace the valve stems. :-) Any tire place worth two cents should do this as a matter of course, but make sure they do.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 16, 2021 11:38 PM (Mzdiz)

346 Mike, hmmmm, thanks!

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 16, 2021 11:38 PM (L2ZTs)

347 publius, also thanks!
I learn such good stuff here. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 16, 2021 11:38 PM (L2ZTs)

348 Do it patiently. Shouldn't take more than 15 mins.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 16, 2021 11:40 PM (TMb1F)

349 Mike, good stuff. Thanks again.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 16, 2021 11:40 PM (L2ZTs)

350 Thanks guys,
Flounder, I will look into your guy, but Monroe is pretty far from me.

Have a nice evening y'all. I'm going to crawl into bed with my book.

Cheers!

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 11:41 PM (U2p+3)

351 Do it patiently. Shouldn't take more than 15 mins.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
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Remove the valve stem cap, and just tap some soapy stuff on it with your finger, to form a film. Many of us have used spit. Not me, of course.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 16, 2021 11:42 PM (TMb1F)

352 Interesting night - daughter is spending the night with her two kids, for the first time in a year and a half. She pulled out the antique bed in the guest bedroom to plug in a charger, bed frame fell apart. (I knew it was shaky) So I just had to pull out the drill and do emergency midnight repairs to a 150 year old bed so we could all sleep tonight.

amazingly, I was successful.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 16, 2021 11:34 PM (evAgx

Nice. I have an iron bed with most of the original paint on it. Its about the same age as yours. My great grandfather brought by wagon from Ft. Benton on the Missouri to the family homestead near Augusta, MT. Ft. Benton was the furthest steamers could make it up the Missouri river before grounding.

Posted by: Beartooth at October 16, 2021 11:42 PM (68WvR)

353
I've heard tales from the old timers (all dead now, alas) about WWII rubber rationing. Tires (and a lot of other stuff) were hard to come by -- materials needed for the war effort.

My grandfather -- and many others -- had tires that would get so thin, they'd get old tires, cut off the tread and basically tie it over the tread. Sort of an "overshoe".

They'd bore holes in the rubber, and wire it tight over the sidewall and rims with baling wire. You didn't want to drive too fast with that sort of thing.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 16, 2021 11:42 PM (Mzdiz)

354 Mike, I can do those :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 16, 2021 11:43 PM (L2ZTs)

355 Terrorist Ali Harbi Ali plotted attack on Tory MP Sir David Amess for a week: British Muslim lives on celebrity-studded London street of 2million (pound) houses whose father is a former Somali official left 'traumatised' by his son's arrest

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 11:43 PM (HMNhg)

356 What is the best brand of American made tire gauge?

Our gas station special fell apart the other day ...

Posted by: Adriane the Technically Challenged Critic ... at October 16, 2021 11:44 PM (okV1R)

357 Make sure to replace the valve stems. :-) Any tire place worth two cents should do this as a matter of course, but make sure they do.
Posted by: publius
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These days, the TPMS batties probably should be replaced also.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 16, 2021 11:44 PM (PzWA/)

358 'batteries'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 16, 2021 11:44 PM (PzWA/)

359 Flounder, I will look into your guy, but Monroe is pretty far from me.


Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2021 11:41 PM (U2p+3)

I get it. Make it work for you. He is extremely fair and it is worth the trip. I did it from S. King, and although it was a PITA for drive, confidence in the work and not getting raped on service was worth it. You won't be disappointed. You can't guarantee anything, and I guarantee it.

Posted by: flounder at October 16, 2021 11:44 PM (KnJdm)

360 Can tires be made of anything besides rubber?

Nylon? Vinyl?

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 16, 2021 11:45 PM (L2ZTs)

361 Thirst!

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it at October 16, 2021 11:45 PM (iQPMQ)

362 >> These days, the TPMS batties probably should be replaced also.

I despise those things. My mother's Crown Vic had one of those go out. You've got to demount the tire to replace the sensor. And you can't tell the system (by any way I know of) to ignore the sensor.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 16, 2021 11:45 PM (Mzdiz)

363 Jennifer Gates secretly married Nayel Nassar yesterday in Muslim service: Father and daughter then dance to 'Can You Feel The Love Tonight' at $2M reception

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 11:46 PM (HMNhg)

364 Can tires be made of anything besides rubber?

Nylon? Vinyl?

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 16, 2021 11:45 PM (L2ZTs)
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urethane w*rks for skateboards, etc, but may scale up...

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it at October 16, 2021 11:47 PM (iQPMQ)

365 publius, another thing that automakers have gone batshit about is replacing the battery. They put nine bolted metal things on top of it now to make it extra cumbersome, it seems.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 16, 2021 11:47 PM (L2ZTs)

366 when you get new tired get new valve stems, life will be easier

Posted by: will choose a nic later at October 16, 2021 11:47 PM (bTQ72)

367 I drank Jalapeno Cornbread moonshine tonight.

I didn't not like it.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 16, 2021 11:47 PM (x572u)

368 So, enjoying this sipping rum and browsing around putting myself more knowledge on cigar storage, I happen upon .... the transcript of a 1920s House (of Commons) debate over a new Army contract for razors. Box of chocolates thing, I guess.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 16, 2021 11:47 PM (OTzUX)

369 AOP:
what I wanna know is, what the $#*& happens so violently in an engine that it can throw a rod right through something else that's *solid steel* in the engine?

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 16, 2021 11:31 PM (L2ZTs)

There are powerful forces at work in an engine. It can push your vehicle up a hill at 60 miles an hour, after all.

Classic failure mode on a VW? Valve guides wear out due to hot running, scanty lubrication, and...wear. Instead of being cylindrical, and a close fit to the stem of the valve, they wear bell-mouthed at the business end. And the valve, bless its heart, instead of moving strictly up-down on the axis of the guide, spirals around that bell mouth as it closes, and it winds up hitting the seat slight off-center. That applies a slight bending force to the valve stem just under the head. Next time, it hits the other side, and gets a slight force in the opposite direction. Eventually, these cyclical opposing forces create metal fatigue in the valve stem, and Ping!, the head just snaps off. The loose valve head falls into the cylinder, and the next upstroke of the piston slams it into the head. next...

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 11:47 PM (yKEqd)

370 Can tires be made of anything besides rubber?

Nylon? Vinyl?

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 16, 2021 11:45 PM



Buna...

Posted by: Zettai at October 16, 2021 11:47 PM (iOxrB)

371 Speaking of Cheese Curds, I just at a Culver's yesterday.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at October 16, 2021 11:48 PM (ezpv1)

372 Speaking of tire gauges and stuff. I picked up a air chuck a while back. I use those double ended ones for truck tires. This one was some Chicom shit.

The dimensions on the thing were out of spec, and it wouldn't half inflate right. I'm not exactly sure what the problem was. But I discovered the thing had warped the valve stem on a front tractor tire, and caused a leak. I replace the core and that fixed it.

So, I got another one at the NAPA store.

I think the little tit in the middle of the Chicom one, a) wasn't the right length, and was too short, and b) wasn't stabilized, and would move around.

I compared it to the NAPA good one. The tit has supports on that one.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 16, 2021 11:49 PM (Mzdiz)

373 I hate TPMS and the assorted ease of driving techno crap, which is a thing for me being a technophile. Once we get moved in, I want to get some sort of old school daily driver resto project like a jeep or VW thing.

Best car I ever had was a '63 VW notchback. I added a pertronix igniter, of course, because ain't nobody got time for points. 25 MPG, $5 for an oil change.

Posted by: flounder at October 16, 2021 11:49 PM (KnJdm)

374 AOP, thanks.

I still remember seeing a rod from something, and the hole it gouged in a solid steel piston (?), back when my dad brought it home. We were all sad to see that VW bus go, it was like family. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 16, 2021 11:49 PM (L2ZTs)

375 ...when this happens, the engine emits a LOUD rattle for a few seconds. It is now done for, and needs an overhaul. But if you are really unlucky, the loose valve jams the piston so bad the connecting rod break, and IT flops around inside the crankcase and punches hole in the block. Now, the engine is scrap metal.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 11:50 PM (yKEqd)

376 I've heard tales from the old timers (all dead now, alas) about WWII rubber rationing. Tires (and a lot of other stuff) were hard to come by -- materials needed for the war effort.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 16, 2021 11:42 PM (Mzdiz)
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supposedly, rubber was rationed, not because it was in shortage, but to cut back on gasoline consumption.

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it at October 16, 2021 11:51 PM (iQPMQ)

377 AOP:
what I wanna know is, what the $#*& happens so violently in an engine that it can throw a rod right through something else that's *solid steel* in the engine?

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 16, 2021 11:31 PM (L2ZTs)

Starting your new jeep after it dies, because you get water over the hood. I managed to get factory to pay for the rebuild.

Posted by: flounder at October 16, 2021 11:51 PM (KnJdm)

378 AOP, apparently the VW bus engine was scrap because we had to replace it. My family had no car for a few weeks, as I recall.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 16, 2021 11:51 PM (L2ZTs)

379 AOP. you got a valve grinding machine or do you farm it out?

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at October 16, 2021 11:52 PM (KATBx)

380 what I wanna know is, what the $#*& happens so violently in an engine that it can throw a rod right through something else that's *solid steel* in the engine?

Posted by: qdpsteve
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The block will be either cast iron, which generally is a bit brittle, or aluminum, which is relatively soft, In either case, the block casting is thinner than you might think.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 16, 2021 11:53 PM (b57kA)

381 Mike, hmmm, also thanks.
I always thought all this stuff was made of solid hunks of steel.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 16, 2021 11:54 PM (L2ZTs)

382
Starting your new jeep after it dies, because you get water over the hood. I managed to get factory to pay for the rebuild.
Posted by: flounder
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Hydro-lock, I'm guessing.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 16, 2021 11:54 PM (b57kA)

383 Oh yes. Oil floating all around in the water.

Posted by: flounder at October 16, 2021 11:55 PM (KnJdm)

384 Rods through the pan.

Posted by: flounder at October 16, 2021 11:55 PM (KnJdm)

385 These days, the TPMS batties probably should be replaced also.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 16, 2021 11:44 PM (PzWA/)

The TPMS sensors on my 2008 Suburban do not have replaceable batteries. When I get to AZ, I am going to order a set of sensors from Rock Auto. There seems to be no way of defeating or "uninstalling" the damned TPMS system.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 11:56 PM (yKEqd)

386 ---
supposedly, rubber was rationed, not because it was in shortage, but to cut back on gasoline consumption.

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it at October 16, 2021 11:51 PM (iQPMQ)
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FDR had fun with rationing. Sugar was rationed.

My grandfather worked on a railroad train that traveled to the Mexican border. He brought back sugar for family and friends every trip.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 11:56 PM (HMNhg)

387 The TPMS sensors on my 2008 Suburban do not have replaceable batteries. When I get to AZ, I am going to order a set of sensors from Rock Auto. There seems to be no way of defeating or "uninstalling" the damned TPMS system.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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So, they are integral with the valve stems? The wheels?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 16, 2021 11:57 PM (b57kA)

388 AOP. you got a valve grinding machine or do you farm it out?
Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at October 16, 2021 11:52 PM (KATBx)

I do. And I have an old Kwik-Way valve seat cutter, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 11:57 PM (yKEqd)

389 Think those VW blocks contained a lot of magnesium.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 11:58 PM (HMNhg)

390 @ 385 Don't the 08 Suburbans use the ABS sensors for data on the TPS system? GM had one nifty problem with false readings tripping the warning light IIRC.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at October 17, 2021 12:00 AM (KATBx)

391 327 We're at about $120 hour here FOR THE GOOD SHOPS but that's in l.a.
sorry just got here lemme read back further

Posted by: MAxIE at October 17, 2021 12:00 AM (dVkJu)

392 Braenyard, magnesium is soft metal?

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 17, 2021 12:02 AM (L2ZTs)

393 Don't the 08 Suburbans use the ABS sensors for data on the TPS system? GM had one nifty problem with false readings tripping the warning light IIRC.
Posted by: IRONGRAMP
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Tire-to-tire relative RPM?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2021 12:02 AM (b57kA)

394 So, they are integral with the valve stems? The wheels?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 16, 2021 11:57 PM (b57kA)

Integral with valve stems. When I got the truck, it was only 3 years old. TPMS worked fine. It had OEM steel wheels, which were scabby, and I basically wore out the tires on them. I was able to score a nice set of 17" OEM aluminum wheels at a swap meet, with decent tires on them, so I swapped those rims onto the '08. No TPMS, but it just gave out one error code, and I ignored it.

Fast forward a couple of years. I bought 4 new tires for the 17" rims, and had the tire shop install the TPMS sensors off the old wheels. Worked OK for a few months, then batteries began to die.

My fallback work-around? Maybe demount all four tires, pull out TPMS valve stems, and go with none.

I think the system is designed to see one or two non-reporting wheels as a tire fault, but all 4 non-reporting as a system fault.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 12:04 AM (yKEqd)

395 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 16, 2021 11:47 PM (yKEqd)

Good explanation. Racetrack cars are required to have a scattershield installed over the engine/tranny union, as sometimes the flywheel/clutch/tranny pump concoction fails; high speed metal flies in all directions but the driver is protected.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 17, 2021 12:05 AM (F0YaR)

396 Think those VW blocks contained a lot of magnesium.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 11:58 PM (HMNhg)

They sure did. It used to be a fun stunt to put a VW case half in a camp fire. Once it began burning, you could pull out a glob of molten, burning magnesium, and throw it in the lake, where it would continue to burn brightly under water.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 12:07 AM (yKEqd)

397
Watch an opened-up small engine throw a rod:

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/
watch-an-opened-up-engine-throw-
a-connecting-rod/

Remove all the line feeds. He opens up a little engine (with a side grinder) and runs it, without oil, until it seizes, and throws a rod.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 17, 2021 12:07 AM (Mzdiz)

398 Don't the 08 Suburbans use the ABS sensors for data on the TPS system? GM had one nifty problem with false readings tripping the warning light IIRC.
Posted by: IRONGRAMP
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Tire-to-tire relative RPM?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2021 12:02 AM (b57kA)

That's "virtual" TPMS. Imputing tire inflation from delta of RPMS between wheels. My Suburban has actual pressure sensors built into the valve stems.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 12:09 AM (yKEqd)

399 3 Magnesium VW Engine Blocks Burning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhY0xzKcPoE

Posted by: Braenyard at October 17, 2021 12:09 AM (HMNhg)

400 Almost any car repair makes sense if the average payment is $500-$800 dollars a month. Every month. As long as the body isn't Swiss cheese from rust. Even $500 a month is $6k a year which would probably put a low mileage used engine in which will last much longer than a year. I have several circa 2000 full size V8s that I use as daily drivers. I have no plans to get anything else. I will have engines put in first. Every month they don't need anything (which is most months) I don't spend $500 or more. Just make sure you sign up for AAA. Free towing for about $250 a year. They will tow anywhere, quickly, on demand.

Posted by: Azjaeger at October 17, 2021 12:09 AM (3/XaG)

401
I think the system is designed to see one or two non-reporting wheels as a tire fault, but all 4 non-reporting as a system fault.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Yeah, I remember that we discussed this. I still want you to build a spoof system...and report back.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2021 12:15 AM (AytXr)

402 Kareem Atkins was fatally shot after he and two other officers were ambushed by a man with an AR-15 style rifle outside a Houston, Texas, bar on Saturday.
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Read another article saying thugs were going into upscale grocery stores grabbing purses and running out. Houston not San Fransisco

Posted by: Braenyard at October 17, 2021 12:23 AM (HMNhg)

403 Braenyard, I think Houston is the SF of TX.
(Austin is the Seattle/Portland)

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 17, 2021 12:23 AM (L2ZTs)

404 Yeah, I remember that we discussed this. I still want you to build a spoof system...and report back.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2021 12:15 AM (AytXr)

I looked into that. It's not that easy. I don't know enough digital electronics to do it. Each tire has a unique address, which is learned by the system. The TPMS sensors are motion-sensitive, and go dormant when the vehicle is at a standstill. Spin up the wheels, and they turn on for a few seconds, report to HQ, and then go dormant for a few minutes. Transmitting the RF data signal uses battery power, so they send a burst, sit quiet for a spell, and then send another burst. That's why putting the sensors in a pressurized piece of PVC pipe doesn't work.

My plan? Buy cheap sensors from Rock Auto. Install, let system work as intended.

Plan B? remove all the sensors, and system is in a fault mode, but does not further interact with the ECM.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 12:26 AM (yKEqd)

405 officers at 45 Norte Sports Bar in Houston

- Dollars to doughnuts it was MS-13

Posted by: Braenyard at October 17, 2021 12:26 AM (HMNhg)

406
I remember reading a while back about someone detailing how he built a spoof post-cat O2 sensor simulator. He wanted to remove the catalytic convertors, and fool the system into thinking the cats were there and working. The post-cat O2 sensor was the key, and he built a little circuit that would simulate the correct behavior.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 17, 2021 12:33 AM (Mzdiz)

407 I'd love to know why someone decided putting disc brakes on the rear of pickup trucks was the hot setup.

That's a terrible environment for a brake caliper to operate in. I made considerable money restoring frozen service and parking brakes to operating condition.

All the while watching trucks with rear drums go and go with no problems other than normal wear.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at October 17, 2021 12:34 AM (KATBx)

408 Walmart service stripped out the bolt in my oil pan and the last time they changed the oil I had to drive a screwdriver through the filter to lever it loose. - Never more. Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2021 11:32 PM (HMNhg)

To bring another conversation in, I went to Walmart for tires once and they broke the TPMS on my car and couldn't fix it. I wound up having to go to the dealer and they paid for it.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 17, 2021 12:35 AM (BMmaB)

409 I just don't know how we got along without mandated, complex electronics controlling our lives.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2021 12:37 AM (L47aO)

410 I remember reading a while back about someone detailing how he built a spoof post-cat O2 sensor simulator. He wanted to remove the catalytic convertors, and fool the system into thinking the cats were there and working. The post-cat O2 sensor was the key, and he built a little circuit that would simulate the correct behavior.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 17, 2021 12:33 AM (Mzdiz)

That would be easy compared to spoofing the TPMS. All You need to know is the voltage curve shown by the sensor during start, warm-up, and normal driving. Put a DVM on both sensors, and record voltage vs time for both. You could use recording instruments, but I'd bet that writing down readings at 30-second intervals until both readings stabilized would work well enough.

I think both sensors on newer vehicles are self-heated, so they begin indicating within seconds of engine starting.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 12:40 AM (yKEqd)

411 Mike: LOL and excellent comment!!!

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 17, 2021 12:41 AM (L2ZTs)

412 yip
disc brakes are used for the same reason they've been used on planes since the 30's: performance when wet

Posted by: MAxIE at October 17, 2021 12:45 AM (dVkJu)

413 To bring another conversation in, I went to Walmart for tires once and they broke the TPMS on my car and couldn't fix it. I wound up having to go to the dealer and they paid for it.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 17, 2021 12:35 AM (BMmaB)

I can top that one. Took my '97 suburban 4X4 into Walmart for an oil change, and specifically told them, "Please check the transfer case. I think it has been leaking" They said, "we always do". Two days later, transfer case piled up. No oil in it. They had put a daub of paint on the plug, but had never pulled the filler plug to check the level. No wrench marks in the patina of dirt on the plug. They flat-out lied about checking it. And I did ask, upon getting the truck back from the lube bay, "Did you check the transfer case like I asked?" "Oh yes, it was full."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 12:46 AM (yKEqd)

414 Cashing out, y'all have a good one.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 17, 2021 12:53 AM (HMNhg)

415 Seeing what's happening

Posted by: Skip at October 17, 2021 12:53 AM (2JoB8)

416 I'll mention here something about my 510. It had non-assisted disc brakes all around. The curious thing, which I've never encountered on another car, is that the brakes were somewhat self-energizing, the pad/plate assemblies were wedge shaped, so that on application the wedging tended to apply additional pressure to the pad.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2021 12:53 AM (bPH26)

417
Braenyard, magnesium is soft metal?
Posted by: qdpsteve


The metals in the two leftmost columns of the periodic table all are soft and highly reactive, too.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 17, 2021 12:53 AM (pNxlR)

418 Krebs, thanks.

And on that note, I gotta call it a night. Thanks for the late night chat everyone! :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 17, 2021 12:54 AM (L2ZTs)

419
the pad/plate assemblies were wedge shaped, so that on application the wedging tended to apply additional pressure to the pad.
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Ah. Found an image:

https://tinyurl.com/94zy8dn4

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2021 12:59 AM (bPH26)

420 Ah. Found an image:

https://tinyurl.com/94zy8dn4
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2021 12:59 AM (bPH26)

Was the caliper mounted slightly oblique to the plane of the rotor? I could see that being done, and then allowing enough slop in the caliper slides, that initial contact friction would twist the caliper to a straight-on alignment and provide some self-energizing.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 01:04 AM (yKEqd)

421 Double entendre warning:
Heads up!
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok
/status/1449563069735215107

Posted by: Biden's Dog at October 17, 2021 01:04 AM (e3BA1)

422 @419 Your 510 used that to increase braking performance because of the rotor size (could have been slightly larger) but that configuration worked pretty well and kept costs down.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at October 17, 2021 01:05 AM (KATBx)

423 Was the caliper mounted slightly oblique to the plane of the rotor? I could see that being done, and then allowing enough slop in the caliper slides, that initial contact friction would twist the caliper to a straight-on alignment and provide some self-energizing.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Heh...that was [does math]...uh, fifty years ago. I don't remember what I had for breakfast. LOL...no, I do not recall, but I believe that the caliper mounts were pretty normal.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2021 01:11 AM (bk3Sg)

424 Okay, time for me.

Goodnite, good people. Be safe and sleep well.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at October 17, 2021 01:12 AM (KATBx)

425 Walter has left the suitcase!
https://twitter.com/catturd2/
status/1449359521311305733

Posted by: Biden's Dog at October 17, 2021 01:13 AM (e3BA1)

426 Heh...that was [does math]...uh, fifty years ago. I don't remember what I had for breakfast. LOL...no, I do not recall, but I believe that the caliper mounts were pretty normal.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2021 01:11 AM (bk3Sg)

I did a DDG search on Datsun 510 brakes, and it seems that, stock, they had front discs, rear drums, but rear disc swaps from 200SX or the Z-cars were very commonplace.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 01:14 AM (yKEqd)

427 Your 510 used that to increase braking performance because of the rotor size (could have been slightly larger) but that configuration worked pretty well and kept costs down.
Posted by: IRONGRAMPA
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Well, it was low weight, by contemporary standards. 2000 lbs.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2021 01:14 AM (830x5)

428 Nite, IG.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 01:14 AM (yKEqd)

429 I did a DDG search on Datsun 510 brakes, and it seems that, stock, they had front discs, rear drums, but rear disc swaps from 200SX or the Z-cars were very commonplace.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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See: '50 years'. I would have bet they were disc rear also, but obviously not. Off hand, I do not recall ever replacing the rear shoes.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2021 01:18 AM (WD9ZA)

430 And, speaking of Datsun 510's, today I started an engine that came out of a 510. Not A Datsun engine, but an Olds 215 aluminum V8. Had fellow come by who has friend that needs one such. So we uncovered the engine, which is sitting on a dolly, with radiator and bellhousing all attached. I placed a battery in the battery tray, and turned the key on the starter switch. It cranked readily. So I squirted a little gas in the carb. Vroom! So I squirted some gas into the suction side of the fuel pump, and cranked it again. Vroom, vroom! It idled nicely for several minutes, and guy shot video on his phone. Yes, there is antifreeze in the rad.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 01:20 AM (yKEqd)

431 Sounds like the 510 was 'interesting'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2021 01:21 AM (WD9ZA)

432 See: '50 years'. I would have bet they were disc rear also, but obviously not. Off hand, I do not recall ever replacing the rear shoes.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2021 01:18 AM (WD9ZA)

Well, if you bought the car used from another enthusiast, it could well have had the rear brake swap done.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 01:21 AM (yKEqd)

433 You boys have been talking cars for over an hour. Some Saturday night, eh?

Meanwhile, I was out to the land this afternoon, and it is magnificent. AKMOME is on for next July, and I sited in the location of the yurt, should we need one for the festivities. I can rent one cheap from the hippies in Talkeetna. Set up the bar....

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at October 17, 2021 01:23 AM (qvjMx)

434
I just don't know how we got along without mandated, complex electronics controlling our lives.

Posted by: Mike Hammer


Connecting kitchen and cleaning appliances to Skynet was a stroke of genius.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 17, 2021 01:23 AM (pNxlR)

435 Sounds like the 510 was 'interesting'.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2021 01:21 AM (WD9ZA)

It ran great, but needed another top gear, badly. We used a Saginaw 4-speed. Buddy's car, and it was intended as a test mule for a future swap for another 510 that never materialized.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 01:23 AM (yKEqd)

436 Connecting kitchen and cleaning appliances to Skynet was a stroke of genius.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 17, 2021 01:23 AM (pNxlR)

My property will be electronic free.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at October 17, 2021 01:24 AM (qvjMx)

437 Posted by: Biden's Dog at October 17, 2021 01:13 AM (e3BA1)

Please use tinyurl...you are blowing the margins.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 17, 2021 01:24 AM (Q9lwr)

438 My property will be electronic free.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at October 17, 2021 01:24 AM (qvjMx)

Nothing wrong with electronics, as long as you the master being served by them. Electronics that "phone home", in the service of another master, are not to be countenanced.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 01:29 AM (yKEqd)

439 Electronics that "phone home", in the service of another master, are not to be countenanced.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 01:29 AM (yKEqd)

We don't have electricity. So, we may have electronics, but no power. And there certainly isn't any cable tv, or natural gas, or any other damned thing.

At some point we will get electricity and a well, but so far, it's primitive and we like it that way.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at October 17, 2021 01:32 AM (qvjMx)

440 We don't have electricity. So, we may have electronics, but no power. And there certainly isn't any cable tv, or natural gas, or any other damned thing.

At some point we will get electricity and a well, but so far, it's primitive and we like it that way.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at October 17, 2021 01:32 AM (qvjMx)

In that situation, I would want at least a battery-operated shortwave radio, and maybe some ham radio gear, so that I could get out a message for help in the event of a calamity of some sort. And maybe a laptop computer, for mundane uses. A little gasoline generator could charge batteries for both.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 01:38 AM (yKEqd)

441
Well, if you bought the car used from another enthusiast, it could well have had the rear brake swap done.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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New, off the lot. ~$1800, if I recall..

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2021 01:47 AM (830x5)

442 At some point we will get electricity and a well, but so far, it's primitive and we like it that way.
Posted by: tcn
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So now, stream or river water?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2021 01:48 AM (830x5)

443 New, off the lot. ~$1800, if I recall..
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2021 01:47 AM (830x5)

That was a lot of car for $1800. Too bad they were so rust-prone.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 01:50 AM (yKEqd)

444 That was a lot of car for $1800. Too bad they were so rust-prone.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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I was aware of that problem, and had it Ziebarted in the first week that I had it. Body rust was never really a problem for me. Also, it spent all but one year of it's life in southern climes.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2021 01:59 AM (WD9ZA)

445 I was aware of that problem, and had it Ziebarted in the first week that I had it. Body rust was never really a problem for me. Also, it spent all but one year of it's life in southern climes.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2021 01:59 AM (WD9ZA)

Good planning! In my AO, 510's rusted away badly. Most were gone by the 1980's. And other Nissan cars were as bad or worse. Great engines, although they often needed rings early on. But a cheap ring job would make them like new again for quite a spell. Rest of the driveline pretty good, too. Decent electrics.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 02:05 AM (yKEqd)

446 Well, getting late here. Time for me to hit the hay. Night, Horde.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 02:07 AM (yKEqd)

447
Any tech, and tool, can be used for good or evil. I think modern tech has certainly gone in the use for evil direction.

All in all, I'd be happy going back to '70s tech. No phoning home, etc, etc. I'd miss computers. But, given a choice, I'd do without.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 17, 2021 02:09 AM (Mzdiz)

448 Any tech, and tool, can be used for good or evil. I think modern tech has certainly gone in the use for evil direction.
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Technology has evolved more quickly than our ability to cope with it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2021 02:15 AM (pK7cg)

449 Waaay late here. Must check out. Nighters all.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 17, 2021 02:16 AM (pK7cg)

450 The Constitution of this Republic should make special provision for medical freedom. To restrict the art of healing to one class will constitute the Bastille of medical science. All such laws are un-American and despotic.
Unless we put medical freedom into the constitution the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship and force people who wish doctors and treatment of their own choice to submit to only what the dictating outfit offers.

-Benjamin Rush, Founding Father, Signer of Declaration.

I just stumbled across the quote.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 17, 2021 02:16 AM (Mzdiz)

451
The Founders were ... wise men. Wise, indeed.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 17, 2021 02:31 AM (Mzdiz)

452 The Founders were ... wise men. Wise, indeed.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion

Drank a lot too.

Maybe that helped.

Posted by: Historically minded Miklos at October 17, 2021 02:38 AM (QzkSJ)

453 433 You boys have been talking cars for over an hour. Some Saturday night, eh?
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at October 17, 2021 01:23 AM (qvjMx)

Hyper-competent horde folk!

Posted by: m at October 17, 2021 02:41 AM (Y3SPi)

454 hiya

Posted by: JT at October 17, 2021 02:42 AM (arJlL)

455 JT

Posted by: wee hour hiya at October 17, 2021 02:45 AM (QzkSJ)

456
There is a rumor that Robert Malone and others, objecting to the medical censorship, are going to start their own medical journal, which will publish what has been censored.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 17, 2021 02:47 AM (Mzdiz)

457 Hiya Miklos !

Posted by: JT at October 17, 2021 02:48 AM (arJlL)

458 There are old bars. There are haunted bars. But what about bars in remote corners of the world?

"Top of the World Club", Thule
The former Officer's Club, then operated as a weekend annex of the main club, was the former residence of Knud Rasmussen, Danish explorer who first recommended the location of what eventually became Thule.

Posted by: Fox2! at October 17, 2021 02:53 AM (qyH+l)

459 Drank a lot too.

Maybe that helped.
Posted by: Historically minded Miklos at October 17, 2021 02:38 AM (QzkSJ)

Huh. So do we. Must be a trend.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at October 17, 2021 02:54 AM (qvjMx)

460 In that situation, I would want at least a battery-operated shortwave radio, and maybe some ham radio gear, so that I could get out a message for help in the event of a calamity of some sort. And maybe a laptop computer, for mundane uses. A little gasoline generator could charge batteries for both.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 17, 2021 01:38 AM (yKEqd)

Don't need it. We do have a road, and it's 8 miles to Willow, where they even have a post office, if need be. Sometimes I get cell service, but not always. I think it sort of depends on the weather or something.

The sunset today was marvelous. The road is closed one mile beyond our property from October 1 until July or so. Not much traffic, at all. Very quiet. Except for the occasional snow machine or 4-wheeler. And moose. Lots of those. I will need to fence the garden aggressively.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at October 17, 2021 02:59 AM (qvjMx)

461 Norwegian Rat Saloon in Dutch Harbor, AK. Probably the most remote and funkadelic bar I've been to. Unless you count Skinny Dicks Halfway Inn, but you can drive to that one. And the Salty Dog in Homer, all the way at the end of the Spit. I also had one of my brassieres on the wall of the Bird House Bar, which unfortunately burned to the ground sometime in the 1990's. But Diamond Jim's is still there, even though the best bartender Ceil left in the 1980's.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at October 17, 2021 03:02 AM (qvjMx)

462 At Pixy's main website, Ambient Irony, the Sunday post is up. Should be here soon?

Posted by: m at October 17, 2021 03:12 AM (Y3SPi)

463 Posted by: Pixy Misa at 05:30 PM
(at Ambient Irony)

Posted by: m at October 17, 2021 03:14 AM (Y3SPi)

464 Pixy's up!

Posted by: m at October 17, 2021 03:22 AM (Y3SPi)

465 At Pixy's main website, Ambient Irony, the Sunday post is up. Should be here soon?
Posted by: m

In the southern Hemisphere, posts go counter-clockwise

Posted by: non-Antipodean Miklos at October 17, 2021 03:24 AM (QzkSJ)

466 465 At Pixy's main website, Ambient Irony, the Sunday post is up. Should be here soon?
Posted by: m

In the southern Hemisphere, posts go counter-clockwise
Posted by: non-Antipodean Miklos at October 17, 2021 03:24 AM (QzkSJ)

And fascist, too!

Posted by: m at October 17, 2021 03:33 AM (Y3SPi)

467 Just picked up a '93 Dodge RAM250 for the price of fixing some farm stuff. It has the turbo Cummins diesel and 5-speed, 4x4, extended cab. 111,000 miles. That's right. Almost 900,000 miles left on the truck that earned a reputation as "the million mile truck". Gets 23 mpg with my Honda trail bike in the back.

Posted by: Igotnothing at October 17, 2021 09:27 AM (V5YnQ)

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