Southwest CEO Disputes His Own Company's Directive, Now Claiming That People Won't Be Fired for Refusing the Vaccine

I don't know if he's spinning for the public -- lying about not firing people -- or if this represents an actual shift in the company's position.

Because, as "Nice Deb" Heine reports, the company previously announced that anyone who was not vaccinated by late November would be fired.

During an interview with ABC News Tuesday, Gary Kelly, the CEO of Southwest Airlines, stated that no employees will be fired over the company's vaccine mandate. However, the airline announced on October 4 that all 56,000 U.S. Southwest employees needed to get vaccinated against COVID-19 by November 24, or face termination.

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He did acknowledge that the vaccine mandate is "very controversial," and not something he wanted for his company.

"This is a government mandate, it's a presidential order, and we're doing our best to comply with that according to the deadlines that have been set," Kelly said.

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"We're not going to fire any employees over this. We're urging all of our employees to get vaccinated. If they can't get vaccinated, we're urging them to seek an accommodation, so we'll do everything we can to support our people here," he said.

A company-wide guidance, obtained by American Greatness, specifically stated that failure to comply with the new vaccine policy would result in termination.

He had previously said that, as a federal contractor, the company had "no choice" but to impose the mandate.

Um, except for turning down future government contract work.

Let the US government work with its partner and model -- the Chinese government.

Also at the link: He disputes that a sick-out/slowdown is causing the flight cancelations. Actually, he puts it in a very strange way: He says there's "no evidence" of that.

Is this really something you need evidence for?

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1 They won't fire any employees, but they may make your lives unpleasant.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 13, 2021 11:12 AM (jOcSX)

2 Dammit! I hate it when I read the post and then scroll down to find no comments.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 11:12 AM (Ez6QX)

3 It would be difficult to run an airline without pilots.

Posted by: huerfano at October 13, 2021 11:12 AM (MzKgG)

4 Governing by press release is harder than it looks, it seems.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:13 AM (LvTSG)

5 I hope Alaska follows along with the no-firing thing. I really really really don't want my son to get the shot.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 11:13 AM (Ez6QX)

6 Willowed:

I"mentioned this yesterday, but the Dave Chappelle special isn't really a comedy special. It's worth checking out. Very thoughtful at times, but it's an attempt by Chappelle to reset black people above LGBTQ people on the victim stack, so in a way he's just perpetuating a broken system."

Posted by: Max Power at October 13, 2021 11:13 AM (QCc6B)

7 They won't fire the employees, they will put them on indefinite unpaid leave.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 13, 2021 11:13 AM (qfUXd)

8 Also at the link: He disputes that a sick-out/slowdown is causing the flight cancelations. Actually, he puts it in a very strange way: He says there's "no evidence" of that.

Is this really something you need evidence for?

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It's the weather. Duh.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:13 AM (LvTSG)

9 Biden is trash. He is the cause of all of this.

Posted by: Jmel at October 13, 2021 11:14 AM (bVhJi)

10 Mornin, Ace

Posted by: Hawkpilot at October 13, 2021 11:14 AM (SK+VG)

11

He says there's "no evidence" of that.

The Hillary Clinton defense.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 13, 2021 11:14 AM (63Dwl)

12 It would be difficult to run an airline without pilots.

You'd think so, but nyet.

Posted by: Aeroflot at October 13, 2021 11:14 AM (ZsR3z)

13 11

He says there's "no evidence" of that.

The Hillary Clinton defense.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 13, 2021 11:14 AM (63Dwl)

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I thought the Hillary Clinton defense was an audio file on repeat that just said, "I do not recall."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:15 AM (LvTSG)

14 Wasn't the SWA CEO a speaker at the World Economic Forum recently?

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at October 13, 2021 11:15 AM (CjHGv)

15 I don't have warts on my nose says witch covering her nose to hide the warts.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at October 13, 2021 11:15 AM (R5lpX)

16 Supposedly a Delta airlines pilot died in flight after being vaxxed last week, that might have caused the action by SWA pilots this week. This has been denied but who actually knows given the current media conformance to the narrative.

Apparently, blood clotting side effects of vax for some people might be accentuated during flights perhaps due to cabin pressure and sitting in one place for awhile.

Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:15 AM (9hXN1)

17 He says there's "no evidence" of that.

The Hillary Clinton defense.


Or Al Gore, of "no controlling legal authority" fame.

Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:15 AM (ZsR3z)

18 In addition to being unconstitutional (now irrelevant as the Constitution is dead), the "Biden mandate" doesn't even exist outside of his verbal edict.

Again, another example of the Junta bullying the corporate oligarchy into doing its dirty work for them ...

Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 13, 2021 11:15 AM (WIfAR)

19 The CRO is a pussy. Take a stand, Dick Holster, and stick to it.

They risk losing their government cheese. Worse they risk creating a controversy and losing passengers in a time when margins are slim. Hobson's Choice for Cowards, and all that.

The union can't say it was due to the COVID policy. That would be an illegal work action. So the CEO can't say what it was. Nobody will admit it.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 13, 2021 11:16 AM (3P+Du)

20 "we won't fire anyone" we just won't schedule you to work until you get the shot. and since you only get paid for time in the air...

you do the math...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:16 AM (8D42x)

21 Labor Strikes are older than our country, part of our history from beginning to present day, and part of the foundation of our initial Founding. I love seeing the weak stomached retards scream that people should be forced to work under any conditions because of their business because they are special boys and girls.
Join or Die, Faggots.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 13, 2021 11:16 AM (KqI8+)

22 Hey Gary....Fuck you....WAR!

Posted by: Mongo, Pawn in Game of Life at October 13, 2021 11:16 AM (xIEQ/)

23 1 They won't fire any employees, but they may make your lives unpleasant.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 13, 2021 11:12 AM (jOcSX)

Indeed. And then they'll mock you in private, dismissing you as "Trump supporters" and mock and block anything you try to dispute these tyrannical and ineffective mandates.

Posted by: Thrawn at October 13, 2021 11:16 AM (5aFbR)

24 By the way, I can fly all of Southwest's fleet, and I'm vaccinated...

But I won't be participating in any vaccine mandate BS.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at October 13, 2021 11:16 AM (SK+VG)

25 What the hell kind of Union does swa have if they aren't allowed to organize or discuss actions?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 13, 2021 11:16 AM (qfUXd)

26 Southwest doesn't have a Federal law to back them up, if they want to fire a employee it's on them alone.

Posted by: Skip's Phone at October 13, 2021 11:16 AM (eQrhb)

27 Also, a DJT appointed judge, has issued a temporary injunction to United Airlines that will prevent their vaxx mandate from going forward until trial.

Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:16 AM (9hXN1)

28 When OSHA or NYC makes it part.of their 30 hour card, I will get the J&J.

Posted by: Jamaica Queens at October 13, 2021 11:17 AM (b+v9B)

29 Abbot made it illegal to force the jab, if I read that news correctly. That gave the CEO some leeway, and encouragement to change course.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 13, 2021 11:17 AM (Cus5s)

30
He says there's "no evidence" of that.

The Hillary Clinton defense.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 13, 2021 11:14 AM


I like "no controlling legal authority"

Posted by: Al Gore, Jr. at October 13, 2021 11:17 AM (RdGeh)

31 >They won't fire any employees, but they may make your lives unpleasant.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 13, 2021 11:12 AM (jOcSX)

Yeah, they'll put you on indefinite unpaid leave, so you're technically not "fired".

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at October 13, 2021 11:17 AM (cSs/W)

32 The lefty Propaganda Press is hanging their hat on his "no evidence" comment, and are censoring opposing views like crazy. Soon, it'll be an article of faith on the left.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 13, 2021 11:17 AM (xWHkZ)

33 What is awesome is that there is no EO / Law in play...

AND

the FDA approval that the EO hinged on is for a Drug that is unavailable for use.

Posted by: garrett at October 13, 2021 11:17 AM (Va3dv)

34 Dammit! I hate it when I read the post and then scroll down to find no comments.
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 11:12 AM


Rookie mistake.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2021 11:17 AM (m+jkK)

35 Apparently, blood clotting side effects of vax for some people might be accentuated during flights perhaps due to cabin pressure and sitting in one place for awhile.
Posted by: whig

This has been going on a while. Nobody but Karl and VoxDay seem to be covering it that I know of.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 13, 2021 11:17 AM (KqI8+)

36 25 What the hell kind of Union does swa have if they aren't allowed to organize or discuss actions?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 13, 2021 11:16 AM (qfUXd)

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A typical one that prioritizes upholding the Democratic narrative over the interests of their workers?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:18 AM (LvTSG)

37 "This is a government mandate, it's a presidential order..." Kelly said.
.
Notice what he didn't say it was?
.
A law.

Posted by: RNB at October 13, 2021 11:18 AM (DjjZJ)

38 What the hell kind of Union does swa have if they aren't allowed to organize or discuss actions?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 13, 2021 11:16 AM (qfUXd)

i think it's some kind of federal thing that prevents airline pilots (maybe all airline employees) from striking

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:18 AM (8D42x)

39 Pilots had to take this stand. Next it would have been passengers.

Posted by: Scottst at October 13, 2021 11:18 AM (nEDaf)

40 Give him a Cabinet post.

Posted by: BignJames at October 13, 2021 11:19 AM (AwYPR)

41 The Biden Mandate that never was, originally gave the "every two week testing" as an (oppressive) alternative.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 13, 2021 11:19 AM (Cus5s)

42 They follow biden's main mandate....fucking lie big.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at October 13, 2021 11:19 AM (IMmgC)

43 16 Supposedly a Delta airlines pilot died in flight after being vaxxed last week, that might have caused the action by SWA pilots this week. This has been denied but who actually knows given the current media conformance to the narrative.

Apparently, blood clotting side effects of vax for some people might be accentuated during flights perhaps due to cabin pressure and sitting in one place for awhile.

Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:15 AM (9hXN1)

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I have a family history of DVT (Deep Vein Thrombosis), which is a secondary reason why I refuse the clot shot.

[I hope I live long enough though to see some serious and fatal Deep State Thrombosis.]

Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 13, 2021 11:19 AM (WIfAR)

44 There is no evidence that Joe Biden is brain dead.

Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 11:19 AM (CYnTg)

45 I like "no controlling legal authority"


I wonder if the next school board meeting will like that concept?

Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2021 11:19 AM (axyOa)

46 SW CEO is a shit bird.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 11:20 AM (OCTRt)

47 >>The Biden Mandate that never was, originally gave the "every two week testing" as an (oppressive) alternative.


He also predicated it on the FDA approval of a Vax.

A vax that is not available.

Posted by: garrett at October 13, 2021 11:20 AM (Va3dv)

48 Also at the link: He disputes that a sick-out/slowdown is causing the flight cancelations. Actually, he puts it in a very strange way: He says there's "no evidence" of that.
Is this really something you need evidence for?

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Yes, for many reasons. First, it would require acknowledgment that mandate policies are blowing back on them. Second, it would implicate the union in an illegal labor action and trigger a war.

Given the change in policy, I agree that it looks like tacit acknowledgement that the policy is harming operations. If it is harming operations, it implies that it is because people are slowing down or taking time off in response to the mandate. That response would, however, be a violation.

No one - not management (politics) or the employees and union (labor agreements) - wants to acknowledge that it might be an employee action. They'll just change the policy.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2021 11:20 AM (DU+/6)

49 No matter how you feel about the safety and effectiveness of the COVID shots...if we do not have control over what we put into and on our bodies, we are not free.

Please consider a donation to the Liberty Counsel sooner than later.

https://lc.org/ (delete this space) newsroom/details/ (delete this space) 211011bidens-dod-is-lyingand-we-are-suing

Posted by: CAPT Constitution at October 13, 2021 11:20 AM (WCWLA)

50 He disputes that a sick-out/slowdown is causing the flight cancelations. Actually, he puts it in a very strange way: He says there's "no evidence" of that.

So, we can go back to the Trump era media speak of "Without Evidence", as in "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Claims, Without Evidence, that SW is Mandating Vaccines"? Tater must be happy.

Posted by: Flyguy at October 13, 2021 11:20 AM (3sOO0)

51 This is a government mandate, it's a presidential order..." Kelly said.
.
Notice what he didn't say it was?
.
A law.
Posted by: RNB at October 13, 2021 11:18 AM (DjjZJ)

Biden can mandate in one hand and shit in the other and see which one smells worse.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 13, 2021 11:20 AM (kJFlV)

52 >>6 Supposedly a Delta airlines pilot died in flight after being vaxxed last week, that might have caused the action by SWA pilots this week.

Written off as a COVID related death - Delta variant, of course.

Posted by: Roy at October 13, 2021 11:20 AM (Ti+Tv)

53 hiya

Posted by: JT at October 13, 2021 11:20 AM (arJlL)

54 Actually, he puts it in a very strange way: He says there's "no evidence" of that.

Well the FAA took that ball and ran with it...all those cancelled flights were just due to um...the unvaxxed!!

which is actually the truth for once

Posted by: kallisto at October 13, 2021 11:21 AM (DJFLF)

55 This guy is an obvious weasel. You cannot trust the slimy sumbitch.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 13, 2021 11:21 AM (o2MD2)

56 Also join transportation employees at usfreedomflyers.org

Posted by: CAPT Constitution at October 13, 2021 11:21 AM (WCWLA)

57 Apparently, blood clotting side effects of vax for some people might be accentuated during flights perhaps due to cabin pressure and sitting in one place for awhile.
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:15 AM (9hXN1)
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It would make sense that flying would exacerbate the problem. Clots and deep vein thrombosis are problems for people susceptible to them when flying. This is why a lot of people who are at elevated risk for those wear compression stockings while flying.

If the shots cause clotting issues (and that seems to be at least a semi-common side effect), flying could definitely make it worse.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (DU+/6)

58 Let's hope he keeps backtracking.

Boeing has mandated the jab for all employees, apparently.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (V6f9+)

59 Have the actual eo or mandates been signed? Was it all just a threat?

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (0OmEj)

60 Sir, I see your comfort level has peaked at maximum level of 100 since birth. This is not real life. This is not what nature intended.
*inconveniences intensifies*

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (KqI8+)

61 He says there's "no evidence" of that.

--

Bobby Brady left that trail of popcorn. Didn't he see it?

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (sVtYq)

62 55 I resent the comparison
A Weasel

Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (CYnTg)

63 Boeing has put out that employees have until Dec 8 to get the jab. If even 20% refuse, it will be a huge problem for the company and surrounding area of suppliers.
I was there when the .dot boom was hitting and watched a whole section of engineers quit to start their own company. A multimillion dollar classified contract when into the shitter until the engineers failed at business (next time hire a business guy dumbshits) and came back to their old jobs.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (axyOa)

64 So the Bulwark crowd of carny folk and the chronically unemployable are now casting Jonah Goldberg out into the void.


All the LOLs.....

Posted by: Azathoth at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (a/0xb)

65 33 What is awesome is that there is no EO / Law in play...
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I thought the govt employee/contractor EO did go in effect, but not the other one for companies > 100 employees?

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (ehQO4)

66 Why would any Southwest employee trust what he says at this point?

I can see it being "you won't be fired, but the unvaxxed will be put on unpaid leave/won't be scheduled for a flight until vaxxed" or somesuch.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 13, 2021 11:23 AM (bDqIh)

67 35, Widespread,
The information is getting out there about cardiac events and clotting issues were noted even when the vaxx flavors were rolled out. Just recently, the Swedes noted the failing protection from these vaxxs and the risk to young and healthy from side effects of being vaxxed probably outweighs any fleeting benefits.

I knew about thrombosis from several surgeries and asking docs about travel issues.

Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:23 AM (9hXN1)

68 64 So the Bulwark crowd of carny folk and the chronically unemployable are now casting Jonah Goldberg out into the void.


All the LOLs.....
Posted by: Azathoth at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (a/0xb)

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I thought he had been toeing their line rather stringently recently. What brought upon this separation?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:23 AM (LvTSG)

69 63 Diogenes,
A bunch of laid off NASA employees created Florida Institute of Technology college.

Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (9hXN1)

70 Remember when we had to wear masks because we didn't have a vaccine and masks didn't work so that's why you have to get the shot and then wear a mask?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - local SC doctor of 40 years calls in to radio show about ivermectin at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (vnhb5)

71 i think it's some kind of federal thing that prevents airline pilots (maybe all airline employees) from striking
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:18 AM


The Railway Labor Act.
Seriously.

Posted by: Chuck C at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (EughT)

72 So the Bulwark crowd of carny folk and the chronically unemployable are now casting Jonah Goldberg out into the void.


All the LOLs.....
Posted by: Azathoth at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM


Not to worry. I'm sure the National Man Boy Lincoln Project has room for him.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (m+jkK)

73 Resistance is futile.

Posted by: The Amazon Collective at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (w9Wax)

74 If you're on the right you need instantaneous, dispositive evidence beyond all doubt of any claim no matter how reasonable, while the people demanding this evidence simultaneously withhold access to that evidence and refuse your ability to look for it because "you don't have evidence."

So you can't claim that there's voter fraud because you don't have evidence. And you can't investigate to uncover evidence because you don't have evidence. Pretty airtight.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (ssz2a)

75 Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:15 AM (9hXN1)

soon after the UK jab program began there were reports of young healthy British Air pilots dying, but not in flight.

Posted by: kallisto at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (DJFLF)

76 I thought he had been toeing their line rather stringently recently. What brought upon this separation?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:23 AM (LvTSG)

He kept spending his pants allowance on star wars collectibles and funyuns.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (kJFlV)

77 "25: What the hell kind of Union does swa have if they aren't allowed to organize or discuss actions?"
.
Airline pilot unions are very strong, but for airline pilots to strike is a very complicated process. In short, the company and union have to go through a protracted routine with the Nat'l. Labor Relations Board to get permission to go on strike. Any action take by the union before that -- like a sickout or a vax-out -- has federal legal penalties. Some pilots' unions have carried out sickouts, but they will never, never admit to doing such a thing.

Posted by: RNB at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (DjjZJ)

78 26 Southwest doesn't have a Federal law to back them up, if they want to fire a employee it's on them alone.
Posted by: Skip's Phone at October 13, 2021 11:16 AM (eQrhb)

And their Headquarters is in Texas, which made forcing people to get the jab, illegal.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (oHd/0)

79 Have the actual eo or mandates been signed? Was it all just a threat?
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (0OmEj)
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I've been looking into this because it affects several close family members. EOs have been signed for both federal employees and federal contractors. There have been no EOs signed for private companies yet. Of course, some private companies have declared their own vaccine mandate.



Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (wyw4S)

80 So the Bulwark crowd of carny folk and the chronically unemployable are now casting Jonah Goldberg out into the void.

All the LOLs.....

Posted by: Azathoth at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (a/0xb)

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Baal required a sacrifice?

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (TNyrE)

81 Alex Isenstadt
@politicoalex
News - Peter Thiel is lining up against Liz Cheney, donating to her primary challenger

Thiel is emerging as a financial force against Trump impeachment backers. He's also bolstering Herrera Beutler challenger Joe Kent

Posted by: redridinghood at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (NpAcC)

82 >>If the shots cause clotting issues (and that seems to be at least a semi-common side effect), flying could definitely make it worse.


As a side note, funny how just in the last day the MSM is telling people to *not* take aspirin, eh?

OK, not funny: EVIL.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (bDqIh)

83 So the Bulwark crowd of carny folk and the chronically unemployable are now casting Jonah Goldberg out into the void.

All the LOLs.....

Posted by: Azathoth at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (a/0xb)

He must have not been bringing in the requisite number of young twinks. Because what else could be the reason? His writing stinks?

Posted by: flounder at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (KnJdm)

84 3 It would be difficult to run an airline without pilots.

Posted by: huerfano at October 13, 2021 11:12 AM (MzKgG)

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Fortunately, our betters have been preparing for this, comrade, by mainlining tens of thousands of recently arrived young, illiterate, third-world, peasant Muslim men into flight schools at taxpayer expense!

What could go wrong?

Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (WIfAR)

85 Also join transportation employees at usfreedomflyers.org

Posted by: CAPT Constitution at October 13, 2021 11:21 AM (WCWLA)

We did, and Heidi is facing the same ultimatum. Next action they take I will also donate. WTF. Beats donating to the GOP.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (RoIW/)

86 It's a madhouse!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (y7KuV)

87 81 Alex Isenstadt
@politicoalex
News - Peter Thiel is lining up against Liz Cheney, donating to her primary challenger

Thiel is emerging as a financial force against Trump impeachment backers. He's also bolstering Herrera Beutler challenger Joe Kent
Posted by: redridinghood at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (NpAcC)

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Better than the Koch brothers.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (LvTSG)

88 Have the actual eo or mandates been signed? Was it all just a threat?
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at October 13, 2021 11:22 AM (0OmEj)


The only EO is the one for federal employees.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (Ez6QX)

89 Bill Kristol is taking time off his duties as president of the Sons of Disappointed Father's Club to tweet about it. Mona Charon is threatening to stop the car.

Posted by: Azathoth at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (a/0xb)

90 You won't be fired, just placed on unpaid leave until it is decided there is no longer any anger from the coof. Yes, that will be never.

Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 11:26 AM (CYnTg)

91 Putting the unvaccinated on leave without pay is technically not firing them.

Posted by: Albert Schwartz at October 13, 2021 11:26 AM (zHbOW)

92 So far there is no mandates or other indications of having to perform the wuflu boogaloo. Had my physical today and saw ones will run the antibody test for the second time.
He recommends no shot until results are back.

Posted by: DanMan at October 13, 2021 11:26 AM (R9azm)

93 BTW, in a related vein so to speak, ordinary aspirin is apparently proving to be efficacious in treatment of the Covids crud.

Since the spike causes clotting, that would make perfect sense so low dose aspirin might also help with clotting side effects of being vaxxed.

Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:26 AM (9hXN1)

94 I got an email from a client of mine saying I need to show proof of vaccination or my contract will be terminated. I said cool bro, go for it, terminate it.

That was 3 weeks ago and no word back. I told them to LOLGF and they LOLGFed. Because if they kick me out they're fucked 100X more than I'm fucked. I'll get another client in a couple of hours. They'll be looking for someone with my skillset for months.

People need to start calling their bluff.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 13, 2021 11:27 AM (OalnH)

95 He must have not been bringing in the requisite number of young twinks. Because what else could be the reason? His writing stinks?

Posted by: flounder at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (KnJdm)

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I first assumed you meant Twinkies to eat -- but I guess that also works in their case with twinks, too.

Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 13, 2021 11:27 AM (WIfAR)

96 Pretty airtight.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (ssz2a)

Like Kamala at a job fair.

Posted by: flounder at October 13, 2021 11:27 AM (KnJdm)

97 The only EO is the one for federal employees.
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (Ez6QX)
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And, sadly, for federal contractors.

Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 11:27 AM (wyw4S)

98 Sawbones not saw ones

Posted by: DanMan at October 13, 2021 11:28 AM (R9azm)

99 The weather started getting rough. The tiny plane was tossed.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 13, 2021 11:28 AM (63Dwl)

100 Biden is trash. He is the cause of all of this.
Posted by: Jmel
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The people that promote socialist policy are the cause.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2021 11:28 AM (lDew/)

101 "This is a government mandate, it's a presidential order"
.......

Fark Joe Biden

Posted by: wth at October 13, 2021 11:28 AM (v0R5T)

102 I got vaccinated and I have the proof somewhere. No one's asked for it, but if my employer does (I can't imagine why since we're unconnected to health care and remote as well) I'll probably give them endless grief about it.

"Can we see proof of your vaccination?"
"No."
"Well, are you vaccinated?"
"I don't see what that has to do with anything."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:29 AM (LvTSG)

103 I first assumed you meant Twinkies to eat -- but I guess that also works in their case with twinks, too.

Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 13, 2021 11:27 AM (WIfAR)

Twinks = minor gay or curious men, yes? I don't know if I was using that right, and I was too tired to bother looking it up.

Posted by: flounder at October 13, 2021 11:29 AM (KnJdm)

104 BUCK

FOE

JIDEN

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 13, 2021 11:29 AM (OalnH)

105 My wild guess is he wants to fire the employees, but if he does, he knows no one will work for the airline, and all his pilots will quit.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 13, 2021 11:29 AM (bkUtD)

106 The weather started getting rough. The tiny plane was tossed.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 13, 2021 11:28 AM


They bought their tickets...they knew what they were getting into.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2021 11:29 AM (m+jkK)

107 A bunch of laid off NASA employees created Florida Institute of Technology college.
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (9hXN1)


Yeah. They did it right.
The engineers here forgot that you need business guys to you know, run the business, and a BD guy to, you know, go find new contracts and sell the product.
It was pretty funny.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2021 11:29 AM (axyOa)

108 Fortunately, our betters have been preparing for this, comrade, by mainlining tens of thousands of recently arrived young, illiterate, third-world, peasant Muslim men into flight schools at taxpayer expense!

--

Even better...the perfect opportunity to "relax" the standards that typically keep the peoples of colors out. Or wymens.

Which brings me to a thought. If I had to get on a jetliner, I don't know why, but I would not choose to have a woman pilot.

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 13, 2021 11:30 AM (sVtYq)

109 Wasn't the SWA CEO a speaker at the World Economic Forum recently?

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at October 13, 2021 11:15 AM

WEF Authors - Gary C Kelly: Why Leadership is Only Ever About People - March 30, 2015

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/authors/gary-kelly

Posted by: Tall Cool Gentleman in a Black Suit at October 13, 2021 11:30 AM (Do5/p)

110 The assumption of the Ruling Class is that they could simply bulldoze all the workers by threatening to fire them.

That turns out to have been a bad assumption.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 13, 2021 11:30 AM (I2/tG)

111 93 BTW, in a related vein so to speak, ordinary aspirin is apparently proving to be efficacious in treatment of the Covids crud.

Since the spike causes clotting, that would make perfect sense so low dose aspirin might also help with clotting side effects of being vaxxed.

Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:26 AM (9hXN1)
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Hey, whig, good to see you.

Recently had a medical procedure and the doc said not to stop taking aspirin.
Causes one to wonder just how much bleeding aspirin causes and how much push money went into acetaminophen.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2021 11:30 AM (+yuVD)

112 They bought their tickets...they knew what they were getting into.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2021 11:29 AM (m+jkK)

I say, let them crash.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at October 13, 2021 11:30 AM (CjHGv)

113 I've seen the internal emails. He is not backing down, I guess because somehow the Meat Puppet has them by the balls. GMA was damage control. This is not ending and SWA has to choose between taking on the globalists and the fedgov (BIRM) and having an airline staffed to move.

Posted by: Catherine at October 13, 2021 11:30 AM (LW9Au)

114 Remember when we had to wear masks because we didn't have a vaccine and masks didn't work so that's why you have to get the shot and then wear a mask?
Posted by: Moron Robbie


I'm so old, I remember when it was just two weeks to flatten the curve.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 11:30 AM (OCTRt)

115 People need to start calling their bluff.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 13, 2021 11:27 AM (OalnH)

Freedom really comes down to one thing... the ability to say NO, and have it stick.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 11:30 AM (oHd/0)

116
Thiel is a terrible enemy to have.

Posted by: Nick Denton at October 13, 2021 11:30 AM (cTqLg)

117 he sounds like a pathological liar

Posted by: joe kidtoucher at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (HVMmF)

118 I got vaccinated and I have the proof somewhere.

PA's data is kept by the state dept of health. Maybe your state has a similar file.

Posted by: kallisto at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (DJFLF)

119 105 My wild guess is he wants to fire the employees, but if he does, he knows no one will work for the airline, and all his pilots will quit.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 13, 2021 11:29 AM (bkUtD)

=========

Corporate tyranny is surprisingly difficult to execute sometimes.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (LvTSG)

120 General Strike > General Milley

Posted by: Roy at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (Ti+Tv)

121 I wonder what these chickenshit CEOs would do if Junta Leader Biden issues an executive order to increase their workers' pay or to increase the legroom on their jets?
Think they would find their spines to resist those orders, or is it just orders that screw over their employees they will follow?

Posted by: Chris Toufexis at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (Lxwdo)

122 >>BTW, in a related vein so to speak, ordinary aspirin is apparently proving to be efficacious in treatment of the Covids crud.

Since the spike causes clotting, that would make perfect sense so low dose aspirin might also help with clotting side effects of being vaxxed.


Exactly! I only learned about aspirin being a treatment for covid (at the outset, not when it gets bad) a few weeks back when Tucker had Dr. Siegel on to discuss the available covide treatments. Then found a Fox News site article from March 2021 about a study in Israel confirming that baby aspirin tab per day significantly reduces chances you end up in hospital on a ventillator (~50%).

This is why it's so evil the usual crowd suddenly started telling people taking aspirin is dangerous. It's cheap and accessible, and could help w/clot shot and also w/covid should you get it.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (bDqIh)

123 Also join transportation employees at usfreedomflyers.org
Posted by: CAPT Constitution at October 13, 2021 11:21 AM (WCWLA)


I'm going to share that with son.

Also, I don't think they *can* put a lot of these employees on unpaid leave. They are very shorthanded as it is.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (Ez6QX)

124 i think it's some kind of federal thing that prevents airline pilots (maybe all airline employees) from striking
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:18 AM

The Railway Labor Act.
Seriously.
Posted by: Chuck C at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (EughT)

Thanks Chuck. I knew it was something like that but couldn't recall.

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (8D42x)

125 Posted by: whig

Whig, try searching for the videos of people having their newly vaxxed arms cupped in that injection area (athletes use cupping. Powerful suction to bring blood into the muscle for recovery).
The end result is extracting one large clot that looks like cranberry sauce through the tiny holes and incisions made in the cupped area after the initial cupping before the final cupping.
(cupped and cupping is fun to use

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (KqI8+)

126 Might make this my new name. Not just a sock. What do yall think.

Posted by: Lesko Brandon at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (0OmEj)

127 It would be difficult to run an airline without pilots.

Even with pilots it gets a bit dicey.

Posted by: FBI-Florida-Trained Arab pilots at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (ELgVT)

128 It would be difficult to run an airline without pilots.

Wait until you try to run an electric utility without linemen.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (I2/tG)

129 The only EO is the one for federal employees.
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (Ez6QX)
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And, sadly, for federal contractors.
Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 11:27 AM (wyw4S)
***

Yes, this.
I'm consulting for a firm in the Beltway and received my notice last week that referenced the directive.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (axyOa)

130 Actually, he puts it in a very strange way: He says there's "no evidence" of that.

This is like the Loudon Co School Board Chief saying 'we have no record of sexual assualt.' Because they didn't record the event the event never occured.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (fWTJL)

131 And it isn't a sickout. It is the beginning of working to rule. Pilots ALWAYS pick up trips at SW. They work more than scheduled every month. Well, they do unless you threaten their career by forcing the jabs on them.

Posted by: Catherine at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (LW9Au)

132 A "Mandate" is not a law

Posted by: It's me donna at October 13, 2021 11:32 AM (RLGan)

133 He is lying.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 13, 2021 11:32 AM (iDcra)

134 126 Might make this my new name. Not just a sock. What do yall think.
Posted by: Lesko Brandon at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (0OmEj)

It's got legs

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 13, 2021 11:32 AM (V6f9+)

135 94 I got an email from a client of mine saying I need to show proof of vaccination or my contract will be terminated. I said cool bro, go for it, terminate it.

That was 3 weeks ago and no word back. I told them to LOLGF and they LOLGFed. Because if they kick me out they're fucked 100X more than I'm fucked. I'll get another client in a couple of hours. They'll be looking for someone with my skillset for months.

People need to start calling their bluff.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 13, 2021 11:27 AM (OalnH)

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I used this exact kind of leverage my entire career when having to work for and with asshats: "You need me far more than I need you."

Something like this really needs to become national war cry on par with "Let's Go Brandon!" Let's unite the clans nationwide ...

Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 13, 2021 11:32 AM (YaDV2)

136 United has also said no shot required.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2021 11:32 AM (+yuVD)

137 >>>Corporate tyranny is surprisingly difficult to execute sometimes.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone

Yeah, thank the Lord.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 13, 2021 11:33 AM (bkUtD)

138 >>I've seen the internal emails. He is not backing down, I guess because somehow the Meat Puppet has them by the balls.


Are you saying the CEO is not backing down?

Posted by: Lizzy at October 13, 2021 11:33 AM (bDqIh)

139
People need to start calling their bluff.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 13, 2021 11:27 AM (OalnH)


My guess is that right now they are on a frantic search to get a replacement for you.

Posted by: kallisto at October 13, 2021 11:33 AM (DJFLF)

140 Voxday is extra creepy today. Lots of "unexplained" deaths.

Posted by: Max Power at October 13, 2021 11:33 AM (QCc6B)

141 Posted by: Catherine at October 13, 2021 11:30 AM (LW9Au)

I can't figure out why the Airlines would support Biden.... the guy who is destroying their business, by driving up costs due to fuel prices.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 11:33 AM (oHd/0)

142 141 Posted by: Catherine at October 13, 2021 11:30 AM (LW9Au)

I can't figure out why the Airlines would support Biden.... the guy who is destroying their business, by driving up costs due to fuel prices.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 11:33 AM (oHd/0)

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Because Airlines are run by CEOs who are more interested in being on the right side of their class than running their businesses well.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (LvTSG)

143 CEO: "Take the shot or we'll lose our government contracts. If you don't take it, you're fired"
Pilots: *chuckles* "Um, whose gonna fly the planes? By the way, I'll be sick tomorrow. And by I'll, I mean "we". Like a few hundred "we".
CEO: "Good point. Did I say you're fired? What I meant is, you don't have to take the shot."
Pilot: *rifles through labor agreement* "Nope".

Posted by: Marcus T at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (3P+Du)

144 128 It would be difficult to run an airline without pilots.

Wait until you try to run an electric utility without linemen.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (I2/tG)

Or shipping ports without longshoremen, or truck drivers.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - FJB at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (N39Ws)

145 Right now, mandates rest on relative shaky ground of a Supreme Court case, Jacobson v. Massachusetts, a 1905 decision that allowed Massachusetts to pass a law requiring smallpox vaccination.

In obiter dicta (extraneous reasoning that did not apply to the heart of the case facts at hand), the Court said that their decision should not be read as requiring vaccination if the result for an individual would be death or impaired health. Which might explain why the CDC and others are so adamant about covering up harmful side effects.

Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (9hXN1)

146 Are you saying the CEO is not backing down?

Posted by: Lizzy at October 13, 2021 11:33 AM (bDqIh)

Correct. They will require the shot and currently they are acting like termination is on the table.

Posted by: Catherine at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (LW9Au)

147 This 'mandate' shit is really making it clear that the Democrats want a dictator, not a President.

And EO is not a law.

We as a nation need to start ignoring all EO. ALL of them.
If it's really that fucking important, pass a law. The Executive Branch is not supposed to be legislating in a Republic.

....but there I go, talking about the long, long ago....this is no longer a Republic

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (V6f9+)

148 NIH will present data at FDA meeting this week showing people who got Johnson & Johnson's Covid vaccine have higher antibody levels if they get a Pfizer or Moderna booster shot

Posted by: SMOD at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (RHGPo)

149 United has also said no shot required.

But 99% of their employees are vaccinated!

Posted by: Droolin' Joe Biden! at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (I2/tG)

150 I can't figure out why the Airlines would support Biden.... the guy who is destroying their business, by driving up costs due to fuel prices.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 11:33 AM (oHd/0)

Like a person with an abusive spouse... They just can't seem to quit them (Democrats)

Posted by: It's me donna at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (RLGan)

151 136 United has also said no shot required.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2021 11:32 AM (+yuVD)

NO, unless its changed in the last 24 hours. United is under a Temp Restraining Order from a Judge, until he has a chance to decide the merits of the vaccine order.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (oHd/0)

152 They give aspirin to animals!!!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Listen to this SC doctor tell you about ivermectin, spoilers, only two deaths at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (6Y/Rl)

153 I can't figure out why the Airlines would support Biden.... the guy who is destroying their business, by driving up costs due to fuel prices.

Because they know that Joe will continue to bail them out with your money.

Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (ZsR3z)

154 OK, look, here's the thing - We relied on that senile, lying weasel Biden that there was going to be a federal mandate on this whole thing. So we told our people they had to get the shot. Now we're starting to realize that lying POS just wanted to make us do his dirty work, and take the blame when people started complaining about a mandate.
Now what do I do? I can blame him publicly, but you people have seen what these fascists do to anyone who gets out of line! I don't know, man. I'm totally screwed.

Posted by: Gary Kelly, CEO at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (FJYfm)

155 Happy to see that the jab tide may be turning. Having said that, certain members of my family will continue to believe without reservation that the "vaccine" will protect us all and eventually eradicate the coof. It's a real drag being a pariah in your own family but I'm just going to move on from it.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (Xrfse)

156 Oh, btw, happy No Bra Day everyone!

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - FJB at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (N39Ws)

157 This is why it's so evil the usual crowd suddenly started telling people taking aspirin is dangerous. It's cheap and accessible, and could help w/clot shot and also w/covid should you get it.
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If the point of the exercise to kill the elderly then it makes perfect sense.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (fWTJL)

158 (cupped and cupping is fun to use

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (KqI8+)

I got 'cupped' once as part of a massage. gees. She got carried away and I looked like I lost a fight with a giant octopus. Dark red circles everywhere. It was scary looking. She had fun though.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (RoIW/)

159 Because Airlines are run by CEOs who are more interested in being on the right side of their class than running their businesses well. Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (LvTSG)

They are getting billions in bailout money and look to get billions more. Airlines are quasi-public utilities.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (BMmaB)

160 Freedom really comes down to one thing... the ability to say NO, and have it stick.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 11:30 AM (oHd/0)


Romeo13, I like this and was going to modify it slightly by saying Liberty...but its good as is.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (axyOa)

161 I can't figure out why the Airlines would support Biden.... the guy who is destroying their business, by driving up costs due to fuel prices.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 11:33 AM (oHd/0)

Remember the bailouts during the shutdown. That's why. It's the leverage the cabal is currently using.

Posted by: Catherine at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (LW9Au)

162 If the shots cause clotting issues (and that seems to be at least a semi-common side effect), flying could definitely make it worse.

As a side note, funny how just in the last day the MSM is telling people to *not* take aspirin, eh?

OK, not funny: EVIL.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (bDqIh)

you know, i saw this pop up in news feeds a day or two ago and couldn't figure out why they were now deciding this. i mean, most docs have been pretty steadfast on aspirin for susceptible persons for many many years.

but suddenly, it's now a bad idea...? weird

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:36 AM (8D42x)

163 Oh, btw, happy No Bra Day everyone!

Huh, I heard it was a big flop.

Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:36 AM (ZsR3z)

164 This is why it's so evil the usual crowd suddenly started telling people taking aspirin is dangerous. It's cheap and accessible, and could help w/clot shot and also w/covid should you get it.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (bDqIh)
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It is. It's also absurd to an insane degree. Aspirin has been around for an extremely long time, is in virtually everyone's medicine cabinet, is generally useful, etc. Claiming "aspirin is super dangerous, you guys" is bonkers and I'd like to think that it can't possibly work.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2021 11:36 AM (DU+/6)

165 Lost In Space robot gets drunk.

No body computes.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at October 13, 2021 11:36 AM (IMmgC)

166 If I was president I would mandate all Hawaiian Air stewardesses wear coconut bras.

Posted by: wth at October 13, 2021 11:36 AM (v0R5T)

167 . It's a real drag being a pariah in your own family but I'm just going to move on from it.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (Xrfse)


One of my coworkers proudly announced that at her Thanksgiving bash, only the vaccinated will be allowed to attend.

Thought bubble over my head: " I guess she doesn't know..."

Posted by: kallisto at October 13, 2021 11:36 AM (DJFLF)

168 "This is a government mandate, it's a presidential order, and we're doing our best to comply with that according to the deadlines that have been set," Kelly said.

++++

No. At least not yet. Biden did a press release about ordering OSHA to do this thing. But, so far, OSHA has not done the thing. Southwest is not under a governmental requirement to have its employees vaccinated. They are just itching to come compliance like the good fascists they are.

Kind of disappointing. I used to think that Southwest was a cut above the rest of the airlines.

Posted by: Tech N9ne at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (vlXMQ)

169 This is why it's so evil the usual crowd suddenly started telling people taking aspirin is dangerous.

The goal is to deceive you into unwise actions in spite of contrary evidence in plain view.

If you believe us and make the bad choice, it is your fault and our victory. We have not actually *done* anything.

Posted by: Take The Apple at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (l0Lgi)

170 If I was president I would mandate all Hawaiian Air stewardesses wear coconut bras.

Sure, since they can also double as radios in case you have to ditch.

Posted by: The Professor at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (ZsR3z)

171 Oh, btw, happy No Bra Day everyone!

Huh, I heard it was a big flop.
Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:36 AM (ZsR3z)

Enthusiasm is sagging.

Posted by: wth at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (v0R5T)

172 I know the Marxist are going to try but eliminating 1/2 or even 1/3 of the population isn't going to work.

Posted by: Skip's Phone at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (eQrhb)

173 What is the average age of SW pilots? This may be an attempt to move the average age of pilots down and their pay.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (fWTJL)

174 /sock

Posted by: NoOne NoHow at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (vlXMQ)

175 So is there an executive order or regulation requiring a vax mandate for employers with over 100 employees? I've heard conflicting information.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (CAJOC)

176 Might make this my new name. Not just a sock. What do yall think.
Posted by: Lesko Brandon at October 13, 2021 11:31 AM (0OmEj)

It's got legs
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice

Hairy ones ?
Like you-know-who ?

Posted by: JT at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (arJlL)

177 He disputes that a sick-out/slowdown is causing the flight cancelations. Actually, he puts it in a very strange way: He says there's "no evidence" of that.

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I'm asssuming it's because what his employees are doing is illegal and he doesn't want to have to fire them or give Biden an excuse to fire them.

Posted by: 29Victor at October 13, 2021 11:38 AM (BJKQV)

178 >>>I can't figure out why the Airlines would support Biden.... the guy who is destroying their business, by driving up costs due to fuel prices.
Posted by: Romeo13

I would surmise the airlines would be fine without being on the government dole. Just say no, and you can have your freedoms back. In theory, anyway.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 13, 2021 11:38 AM (bkUtD)

179 It should be noted in Jacobson that it was a statutory law granting the discretion to the state's health agency for requiring vaccinations. The court's jurisprudence gives police powers for health, safety, and welfare to state, but has refused to give that power to the federal government. The strongest means then for the feds has been the commerce clause.

Right now, all we have is an executive order to federal contractors which might or might not be valid. There is no administrative rule by OSHA or even a proposed one for notice and comment the last time that I checked. There is also not a statute passed by Congress that gives the feds the power to issue vaccination mandates except perhaps to travelers regulated by the commerce clause or crossing national boundaries.

Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:38 AM (9hXN1)

180 Oh, btw, happy No Bra Day everyone!

Huh, I heard it was a big flop.
Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:36 AM (ZsR3z)


Somebody get Joe Mannix on it ASAP!

Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2021 11:38 AM (axyOa)

181 Right now, mandates rest on relative shaky ground of a Supreme Court case, Jacobson v. Massachusetts, a 1905 decision that allowed Massachusetts to pass a law requiring smallpox vaccination.

Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (9hXN1)
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The other part of that 1905 law was "or else pay a fine of $5." Which I heard on the Joe Rogan/Alex Berenson interview is equivalent to $150 in today's money.

I think people would gladly pay $150 not to have to take this vaccine.

Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 11:38 AM (wyw4S)

182 If I was president I would mandate all Hawaiian Air stewardesses wear coconut bras.
Posted by: wth


NO!!! Save The Coconuts From Needless Slaughter!

Posted by: t-bird at October 13, 2021 11:38 AM (jacU8)

183 The saving grace for me is that my company as big as it is has two main hubs, Texas and Florida so largely reflects those states in temperament.

They aren't requiring us to get vax, but some of the clients we have are requiring it.

We also have a mission critical environments division that is all government contracting so all that personnel has to be vaxed no questions asked.

I MAYYYYY be able to thread the needle but if push comes to shove, I'll retire before I get the Vaccine*.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (//7LJ)

184 I can't figure out why the Airlines would support Biden.... the guy who is destroying their business, by driving up costs due to fuel prices.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 11:33 AM (oHd/0)
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American Airlines showed a profit last quarter. BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT BAILOUT. AA was proud of this and their stock went up. It is a crazy world under the Biden communist junta.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (iDcra)

185 Oh, btw, happy No Bra Day everyone!

Huh, I heard it was a big flop.

Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:36 AM (ZsR3z)

Seems to have perked up in cold areas of the country.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (RoIW/)

186 156 Whip'em out Wednesday?

Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (CYnTg)

187 NO!!! Save The Coconuts From Needless Slaughter!

We'll need them if cavalry is ever to make a comeback.

Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (ZsR3z)

188 =========
Because Airlines are run by CEOs who are more interested in being on the right side of their class than running their businesses well.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (LvTSG)
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Never, ever, associate with peasants.

...pull...

Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (+yuVD)

189 Right now, mandates rest on relative shaky ground of a Supreme Court case, Jacobson v. Massachusetts, a 1905 decision that allowed Massachusetts to pass a law requiring smallpox vaccination. In obiter dicta (extraneous reasoning that did not apply to the heart of the case facts at hand), the Court said that their decision should not be read as requiring vaccination if the result for an individual would be death or impaired health. Which might explain why the CDC and others are so adamant about covering up harmful side effects. Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (9hXN1)

Josh Blackman has been writing about this. In Jacobsen, the actual consequence of not getting vaccinated was to pay a nominal fine. Jacobsen stands for the principle that the government can fine you for not getting vaccinated, not that the government can force you to take a vaccination. A lot of people on both sides are misconstruing what the case actually says.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (BMmaB)

190 Because Airlines are run by CEOs who are more interested in being on the right side of their class than running their businesses well.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,


Because it's not THEIR business. They didn't build that.

Herb Kellerher did.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (OCTRt)

191 Correct. They will require the shot and currently they are acting like termination is on the table.

****

Firing airline workers and pilots seems like an ultra smart move for an airline...
**looks at calendar**
...two weeks before November.

Posted by: Azathoth at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (a/0xb)

192 So is there an executive order or regulation requiring a vax mandate for employers with over 100 employees? I've heard conflicting information.
Posted by: No One of Consequence at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (CAJOC)
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No. At least, not yet.

Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (wyw4S)

193 I got 'cupped' once as part of a massage. gees. She got carried away and I looked like I lost a fight with a giant octopus. Dark red circles everywhere. It was scary looking. She had fun though.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (RoIW/)

was that before or after the hot iron?

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (8D42x)

194

Joy Pullmann, executive editor of The Federalist, wrote Thursday: "It's all a mirage. Biden's so-called vaccine mandate doesn't exist -- at least, not yet. So far, all we have is his press conference and other such made-for-media huff-puffing. No such rule even claiming to be legally binding has been issued yet." But there is apparently a method to this madness: As long as there is no actual mandate, the Biden administration can't be taken to court for issuing one. "That's why nearly two dozen Republican attorneys general who have publicly voiced their opposition to the clearly unconstitutional and illegal mandate haven't yet filed suit against it."

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (63Dwl)

195 As a side note, funny how just in the last day the MSM is telling people to *not* take aspirin, eh?

OK, not funny: EVIL.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (bDqIh)


I had a coworker tell me a few years ago (before the 'rona) that if she ever felt like she was getting sick she would take an aspirin in the morning and one at night until she felt better. I've kept a bunch on hand ever since.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (Ez6QX)

196 Remember the bailouts during the shutdown. That's why. It's the leverage the cabal is currently using.
Posted by: Catherine at October 13, 2021 11:35 AM (LW9Au)
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Plus the big mega-carriers - United, Delta and American - probably know that this ends only one way: with contraction consolidation and nationalization into a flagship carrier like most other countries have. They're likely jockeying for position on that now, to become the new national flag carrier as it all implodes.

The large carriers like SWA and Frontier will become national/regional carriers on a different playing field. The rest will die.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (DU+/6)

197 182 If I was president I would mandate all Hawaiian Air stewardesses wear coconut bras.
Posted by: wth


NO!!! Save The Coconuts From Needless Slaughter!
Posted by: t-bird at October 13, 2021 11:38 AM (jacU

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Right! Make 'em go around bra-less!

Posted by: No One of Consequence at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (CAJOC)

198 his is a government mandate, it's a presidential order, and we're doing our best to comply with that according to the deadlines that have been set," Kelly said.

...

"We're not going to fire any employees over this.
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the whole damn thing is a bluff. The govt didn't pass a law and the president didn't sign anything. The companies will have their asses in the wind if they fire anyone. so they won't. It is just harrassment.

Posted by: bullies at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (al00h)

199 >>I can't figure out why the Airlines would support Biden.... the guy who is destroying their business, by driving up costs due to fuel prices.


First, think the CEO is a member of World Economic Forum, so he's likely on board with The Great Reset.

Second, SW got $3.2 billion to stay afloat during lockdown as well as (IIRC) having a contract w/DHS to fly illegals. This is how the government gets a business to do its bidding: threatens to cut off future bailout funds and contracts.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (bDqIh)

200 What is the average age of SW pilots? This may be an attempt to move the average age of pilots down and their pay.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (fWTJL)


If so, it's a questionable strategy. Older people are more likely: 1. To take the shot, since Covid really only affects people over 50; and 2. To do whatever their employer tells them, since the alternative is to start over at another employer.

Posted by: Wally at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (FJYfm)

201 Oh, btw, happy No Bra Day everyone!

Thanks. Ain't freedom grand?

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (sTOQ8)

202 I MAYYYYY be able to thread the needle but if push comes to shove, I'll retire before I get the Vaccine*.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (//7LJ)

There's also lying and fraud to fall back on, if needed.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (V6f9+)

203 My wild guess is he wants to fire the employees, but if he does, he knows no one will work for the airline, and all his pilots will quit.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 13, 2021 11:29 AM


My wild guess is he *doesn't* want to fire the employees. He may have misread the mood, may have gotten bad legal advice, and now he wants to backtrack without looking like he is backing down. His mention of accommodations may have been "just fill out this form and give *any* reason that can possibly be justified"

Southwest has never had a strike. I doubt he wants to be the first CEO of Southwest to cause one.

Posted by: Chuck C at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (EughT)

204 This may have been covered above but everyone that has successfully resisted getting the jab will start getting bad performance reviews. The goal of forcing them out because they stood up for themselves and made the higher ups mad and/or embarrassed.

Posted by: Beartooth at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (68WvR)

205 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (IXZGh)

206 But you will blow me first........then I'm STILL not getting the shot.

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (IXZGh)

207 I used to think that Southwest was a cut above the rest of the airlines.
Posted by: Tech N9ne at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (vlXMQ)
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Herb Keller is dead.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (+yuVD)

208 @LadyJustice6910

DeSantis to stranded cargo ships: Come here, we can do what CA is too inept and stupid to do. Florida is where businesses flourish.

https://tinyurl.com/yeaneqde

Posted by: Tami at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (cF8AT)

209

CEO says it's a presidential order. My understanding is, no EO has been issued, no process has been initiated with OSHA or any other Federal agency, and it's not even clear thatvit would be legal to mandate medicine that has only emergency use authorization.

I thought all there was, was a statement of intent at a press conference, and then none of the required followup whatsoever. Like, the administration wants to get compliance without actually ordering it.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (dUOaI)

210 What is the average age of SW pilots? This may be an attempt to move the average age of pilots down and their pay.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (fWTJL)

Won't work. They have been hiring forever and cannot replace all the early retirements. Pilots are hard to find and expensive to train. And SW pays overtime to every pilot and FO every paycheck for the trips they pick up. Well, did pick up.

Posted by: Catherine at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (jV5jk)

211 Kind of disappointing. I used to think that Southwest was a cut above the rest of the airlines.

Posted by: Tech N9ne at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (vlXMQ)
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Old CEO yes it was. New and current POS CEO, NO it's not.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (iDcra)

212 was that before or after the hot iron?

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (8D42x)


One of the funniest threads....

IF I WASN'T BLEEDING TO DEATH AT THE TIME!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (RoIW/)

213 Hey baby, there is no evidence having sex gets you pregnant!

Posted by: Some douchbag on Prom Night at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (ESjRY)

214 So is there an executive order or regulation requiring a vax mandate for employers with over 100 employees? I've heard conflicting information.
Posted by: No One of Consequence at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (CAJOC)
**

That was the one that was going through OSHA from what I understand, and no, last I heard OSHA came out and said they couldn't do it.

Employers are firing employees for fun. I'm assuming to re-hire overseas to do the online positions American workers perfected last year, and to get big ol' payouts from the feds for having to let so many people go.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Listen to this SC doctor tell you about ivermectin, spoilers, only two deaths at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (6Y/Rl)

215 Oh, btw, happy No Bra Day everyone!

Huh, I heard it was a big flop.

Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:36 AM (ZsR3z)

Seems to have perked up in cold areas of the country.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (RoIW/)


I think tits a good thing.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (axyOa)

216 Re aspirin: There is some argument that the Spanish Flu epidemic resulted in a higher death toll because healthy young people were taking aspirin and dying. Lookup Reyes Syndrome for details but in healthy young people, there is a rare condition where taking aspirin in for a viral infection can be deadly.

Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (9hXN1)

217 @179

>>Right now, all we have is an executive order to federal contractors

Is there even an executive or did the Junta do what it did with the dreamers and simply issue a memorandum of understanding?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (//7LJ)

218 Hawiian Air might be the last airline that hires friendly women as stewardesses. I'm not saying they're all lookers, but the times I've flown with them, they were all nice and friendly.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (V6f9+)

219 Clap, clap, clap-clap-clap!

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (ufFY8)

220 >>>My wild guess is he *doesn't* want to fire the employees. He may have misread the mood, may have gotten bad legal advice, and now he wants to backtrack without looking like he is backing down.


That's also a possibility, but he's been back and forth the last week or two, it's difficult to know what he really thinks.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (bkUtD)

221 >>Oh, btw, happy No Bra Day everyone!


My favorite day!

Posted by: Lizzo, making transparent clothes a "thing" at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (bDqIh)

222 Hey, Joe--how low can you go?

Posted by: The Limbo Poll at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (HgGBT)

223 I'm asssuming it's because what his employees are doing is illegal and he doesn't want to have to fire them or give Biden an excuse to fire them. Posted by: 29Victor at October 13, 2021 11:38 AM (BJKQV)

Not illegal, but it would violate the collective bargaining agreement, so the airline and the union are both holding the line that there is no organized work stoppage.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (BMmaB)

224 Would whomever claimed a Goldberg/Bulwark separation please provide a link. I strongly suspect we'll see a post about it later, though.

Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (ZsR3z)

225 NO!!! Save The Coconuts From Needless Slaughter!
Posted by: t-bird at October 13, 2021 11:38 AM (jacU
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No skin off my beak.

Posted by: An African Swallow at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (LBiAf)

226 Does SW really? want to make a public announcement that they have no idea what is causing them to have to cancel flights? Cuz that would not seem to inspire any confidence that it is safe to book with them versus "we think it is this, and we are working to make our employees happy"

I'm so glad I don't have to fly as part of my work, and am within driving distance for most family. All family if I can take an extra day to get there.

Posted by: PaleRider, wrecker vaccine resister at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (pxVvf)

227 I can't figure out why the Airlines would support Biden.... the guy who is destroying their business, by driving up costs due to fuel prices.


Because Republicans won't do anything to you if you do follow Biden's diktats, and Democrats will.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (ESjRY)

228 Right now, all we have is an executive order to federal contractors which might or might not be valid. There is no administrative rule by OSHA or even a proposed one for notice and comment the last time that I checked.

Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:38 AM (9hXN1)
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whig, I found something about that. Give me a minute and I'll give you the links.

Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (wyw4S)

229 "He had previously said that, as a federal contractor, the company had "no choice" but to impose the mandate. Um, except for turning down future government contract work."

The entire airline industry functions only by government subsidy. Without govt, there'd be no 'profit' in it.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (qpX6U)

230 I'd like to see the employees of a large trucking company like RL or Old Dominion do what SWA pilots are doing. The logistical system is very vulnerable right now. Might help tip things a bit more in the proper direction.

The Todd's and Karen's are not feeling enough pain yet.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (BFigT)

231 It's like you guys never heard of blackmail.

Also when they target you...they target the whole family.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (IMmgC)

232 I think people would gladly pay $150 not to have to take this vaccine.

Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 11:38 AM (wyw4S)


Considering one local employer paid each employee $300 to take the jab, and over in Baton Rouge they are offering to expunge felony convictions just for getting jabbed...

A buck fiddy is cheap.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (F0YaR)

233 Oh, btw, happy No Bra Day everyone!

Huh, I heard it was a big flop.

Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:36 AM (ZsR3z)

Seems to have perked up in cold areas of the country.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (RoIW/)

now would be a good time to explore some ski slope jumps...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (8D42x)

234 The weather started getting rough. The tiny plane was tossed.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
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The pilot observed the towering clouds, and cinched his seat belt a little tighter.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (lDew/)

235 >>>If I was president I would mandate all Hawaiian Air stewardesses wear coconut bras.

Sure, since they can also double as radios in case you have to ditch.
Posted by: The Professor at October 13, 2021 11:37 AM (ZsR3z)

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"Come in, Tokyo!"

Posted by: 6-4-3 at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (R6xOg)

236 Chief Justice Roberts should have no problem with the unvaxxed having to pay a fine. It's a tax.

Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (CYnTg)

237 US CONSTITUTION

Article 1

All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

I don't see any thing about executive orders or any thing of bureaucratic orders.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (iDcra)

238 If you want to attend an NHL expansion team Seattle Kraken home game you must:

1. Show proof of vaccination
2. Be able to stop laughing at the fact that their home arena is named Climate Pledge Arena.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (5Woea)

239 Re aspirin: There is some argument that the Spanish Flu epidemic resulted in a higher death toll because healthy young people were taking aspirin and dying. Lookup Reyes Syndrome for details but in healthy young people, there is a rare condition where taking aspirin in for a viral infection can be deadly. Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (9hXN1)

My guess would be the anticoagulant benefit of aspirin is what's at work. I know in the UK there's a clinical trial to give Eliquis to COVID patients to prevent clotting.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (BMmaB)

240 My wild guess is he *doesn't* want to fire the employees. He may have misread the mood, may have gotten bad legal advice, and now he wants to backtrack without looking like he is backing down. His mention of accommodations may have been "just fill out this form and give *any* reason that can possibly be justified"

I think you nailed it.

Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:44 AM (ZsR3z)

241 Re aspirin: There is some argument that the Spanish Flu epidemic resulted in a higher death toll because healthy young people were taking aspirin and dying. Lookup Reyes Syndrome for details but in healthy young people, there is a rare condition where taking aspirin in for a viral infection can be deadly.
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (9hXN1)
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Yeah. Thus the common advice "don't take Aspirin if you have the flu or a cold, especially if you're young." That's been around my whole life, and probably everyone on this board's whole life.

Doesn't mean aspirin is dangerous, and moving against aspirin because of that is irrational and clearly not the real reason.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2021 11:44 AM (DU+/6)

242 He disputes that a sick-out/slowdown is causing the flight cancelations. Actually, he puts it in a very strange way: He says there's "no evidence" of that.

Is this really something you need evidence for?
Posted by: Ace at 12:11 PM

This statement all liars make, that there is no evidence, is bullshit. Press secretaries, PR flacks, CEO's, they're all starting to sound like mob lawyers just bald-face lying their asses off because.
What the fuck is evidence by their standards? Items actually entered into evidence by a LE agency or into court during a trial? Is that the new standard for "evidence?"
So what you can see with your own eyes if you're in an airport or looking at their website isn't evidence.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 13, 2021 11:44 AM (MFphb)

243

If you have had the two shot version of covid vaccine you should have your flu shot in your butt so that you don't commingle the covid vaccine in the flu vaccine has you could have an interaction or reduced protection.

Posted by: Dr. Google at October 13, 2021 11:44 AM (LSBRk)

244 >>>1. Show proof of vaccination
2. Be able to stop laughing at the fact that their home arena is named Climate Pledge Arena.
Posted by: Muldoon


My kids think they should name the arena the Krakhouse.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 13, 2021 11:44 AM (bkUtD)

245 That Supreme Court case involved a state law, passed by a legislature. There are no Federal laws mandating the vaccine. And I suspect that an EO will not cut it.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 13, 2021 11:44 AM (5HBd1)

246 Wait until they all hire mechanics and pilots based in " equity".....

Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 11:44 AM (CYnTg)

247 I don't see any thing about executive orders or any thing of bureaucratic orders.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM


*waves*

- The Administrative Procedures Act

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2021 11:44 AM (m+jkK)

248 >NIH will present data at FDA meeting this week showing people who got Johnson & Johnson's Covid vaccine have higher antibody levels if they get a Pfizer or Moderna booster shot
Posted by: SMOD at October 13, 2021 11:34 AM (RHGPo)

So they're going to try to push vaxmaxxing as a thing?

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at October 13, 2021 11:44 AM (cSs/W)

249 -
Oh, btw, happy No Bra Day everyone!
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Posted by: DD at October 13, 2021 11:44 AM (SchQD)

250 209 Semi Literate Thug,
The whole executive order thingy is muddled as many of what Obama and other presidents did was issue statements that were then taken by the agencies as memorandums, etc.

Here is Sept. 9th order from Biden junta which delegates executive power to regulate to a federal task force.
https://tinyurl.com/zm7vk584

Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:45 AM (9hXN1)

251 @MeetThePress 6m

Biden employer vaccine mandate could be finalized as early as next week

https://tinyurl.com/yjgxtgke

Posted by: Tami at October 13, 2021 11:45 AM (cF8AT)

252 Now, al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, known as AQAP, has released a video boasting about the Taliban's takeover of Afghanistan and vowing another attack on the scale of 9/11 but even "more painful."

Posted by: SMOD at October 13, 2021 11:45 AM (RHGPo)

253 237 US CONSTITUTION

Article 1

All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

I don't see any thing about executive orders or any thing of bureaucratic orders.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (iDcra)

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*whistles innocently*
-SCOTUS...and Congress

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 11:45 AM (LvTSG)

254 Voxday is extra creepy today. Lots of "unexplained" deaths.
==
Rapture. Left Vox behind

Posted by: Shocking news at October 13, 2021 11:45 AM (5Ni2n)

255 I strongly suspect we'll see a post about it later, though. Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (ZsR3z)

Depend on whether the dog feels like posting.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 13, 2021 11:45 AM (BMmaB)

256 -
Oh, btw, happy No Bra Day everyone!
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-stares at floor-

Posted by: DD at October 13, 2021 11:45 AM (SchQD)

257 If you want to attend an NHL expansion team Seattle Kraken home game you must:

1. Show proof of vaccination
2. Be able to stop laughing at the fact that their home arena is named Climate Pledge Arena.
Posted by: Muldoon at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (5Woea)
***

I've been watching some of the pre-season games. The climate commercials are hilarious but after an hour or so, they just become sad.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2021 11:46 AM (axyOa)

258 Considering one local employer paid each employee $300 to take the jab, and over in Baton Rouge they are offering to expunge felony convictions just for getting jabbed...

A buck fiddy is cheap.
Posted by: GnuBreed
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Wake Forest, NC is paying employees $250. Taxpayer dollars.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2021 11:46 AM (lDew/)

259 Release the Kraken!

Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 11:46 AM (CYnTg)

260 Alex Isenstadt
@politicoalex
News - Peter Thiel is lining up against Liz Cheney, donating to her primary challenger

Thiel is emerging as a financial force against Trump impeachment backers. He's also bolstering Herrera Beutler challenger Joe Kent
Posted by: redridinghood at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (NpAcC)


Thiel is the anti Rove. Finding out that JD Vance wants to dump McConnell and Timken and Mandel are squishy on it makes my primary choice much easier.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at October 13, 2021 11:46 AM (y7DUB)

261 Unfortunately the sick out is fake news.

Posted by: MikeN at October 13, 2021 11:46 AM (Al5NL)

262 was that before or after the hot iron?

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (8D42x)

One of the funniest threads....

IF I WASN'T BLEEDING TO DEATH AT THE TIME!
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 13, 2021 11:41 AM (RoIW/)

eh, what's a couple pints of blood amongst friends...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:46 AM (8D42x)

263 Oh, btw, happy No Bra Day everyone!
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Posted by: DD
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Pics.

Posted by: You know the rules, and so do I at October 13, 2021 11:46 AM (/QSim)

264 If only we could bring back Braniff in their golden age of legs and mini skirts.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 13, 2021 11:46 AM (C1Lsn)

265 Re firing the employees, I have heard that some nurses who were fired are coming back as contractors.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 13, 2021 11:46 AM (BMmaB)

266 This slender blonde in a blue bikini is glad that SWA backed down on "get the shot or get canned" and hopes that the concept spreads:
https://is.gd/o8NZjY

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2021 11:47 AM (DU+/6)

267 Happy No Bra Day everyone!


**Looks under kilt**

Not just bras either.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2021 11:47 AM (axyOa)

268
Oh, btw, happy No Bra Day everyone!

Erin, go braless.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 13, 2021 11:47 AM (63Dwl)

269 Whatever the pResident wants is not legally binding.

He may want us to do jumping jacks every morning but that doesn't mean we have to.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2021 11:47 AM (+yuVD)

270 The start of a preference cascade? General Strike - General Strike !!

Posted by: Zeera Hunkering down here, Boss at October 13, 2021 11:47 AM (fC8md)

271 This slender blonde in a blue bikini is glad that SWA backed down on "get the shot or get canned" and hopes that the concept spreads:

Homina..homina..homina...

Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:48 AM (ZsR3z)

272 217 @179

>>Right now, all we have is an executive order to federal contractors

Is there even an executive or did the Junta do what it did with the dreamers and simply issue a memorandum of understanding?
Posted by: Thomas Bender

There is zero EO. Nothing has been written and entered into the record. The administration just announced it, the media amplified it as if it was Gospel and Law, and of course people believed it including all the heads of companies.
It's all a lie.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 13, 2021 11:48 AM (ylNYd)

273 The climate commercials are hilarious but after an hour or so, they just become sad.
==
Now imagine you are 10 or 11 and being bombarded by this stuff by your curriculum and your teachers.

Posted by: Know you know why some many kids have anxiety issues at October 13, 2021 11:48 AM (ZEaSo)

274 256 -
Oh, btw, happy No Bra Day everyone!
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-stares at floor-

Posted by: DD at October 13, 2021 11:45 AM (SchQD)

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Be better and offer to be a holder.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - FJB at October 13, 2021 11:48 AM (N39Ws)

275 Firing airline workers and pilots seems like an ultra smart move for an airline...
**looks at calendar**
...two weeks before November.
Posted by: Azathoth


Firing doctors and nurses in the middle of a pandemic doesn't sound smart, either.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 11:48 AM (OCTRt)

276 The Todd's and Karen's are not feeling enough pain yet.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (BFigT)

what man, what have i done to you...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:49 AM (8D42x)

277 Don't need a general strike just work to rule and it goes south quite quickly.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 13, 2021 11:49 AM (iDcra)

278 It's about time someone mounted a real challenge against Herrera Beutler. She's a Never Trump squish that barely beat out the Dem last time. The conservative counties carried her over so she voted to impeach Trump twice. I truly despise her.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 13, 2021 11:49 AM (5HBd1)

279 232 I think people would gladly pay $150 not to have to take this vaccine.

Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 11:38 AM (wyw4S)
Considering one local employer paid each employee $300 to take the jab, and over in Baton Rouge they are offering to expunge felony convictions just for getting jabbed...
A buck fiddy is cheap.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (F0YaR)

But if the law says 5$? Then that's the fine unless its been amended.

/looks around for loose change...

Here ya go!

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 11:50 AM (oHd/0)

280 Alex Isenstadt
@politicoalex
News - Peter Thiel is lining up against Liz Cheney, donating to her primary challenger

Thiel is emerging as a financial force against Trump impeachment backers. He's also bolstering Herrera Beutler challenger Joe Kent
Posted by: redridinghood at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (NpAcC)

Thiel is the anti Rove. Finding out that JD Vance wants to dump McConnell and Timken and Mandel are squishy on it makes my primary choice much easier.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt

Yeah, but the woman running against her is close friends with Liz and the Cheney Family (follow the numerous photos) so...
fake and gay politics as usual.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 13, 2021 11:50 AM (ylNYd)

281 269 That was in 1984. Mandatory calisthenics while you were watched and critiqued over your telescreen...

Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 11:50 AM (CYnTg)

282 Resistance is futile.
Posted by: The Amazon Collective at October 13, 2021 11:24 AM (w9Wax)

Resistance is Feudal

Posted by: JoeF. at October 13, 2021 11:50 AM (mR6Gs)

283 129 The only EO is the one for federal employees.
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 11:25 AM (Ez6QX)
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And, sadly, for federal contractors.
Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 11:27 AM (wyw4S)
***

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And since pretty much every mid-sized company and up does some work for the federal govt, it applies to everyone. It's the big loophole in all of this.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 13, 2021 11:51 AM (OalnH)

284 Re firing the employees, I have heard that some nurses who were fired are coming back as contractors.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon


Better be 3x their previous rate or they screwed up.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 11:51 AM (OCTRt)

285 Right! Make 'em go around bra-less!
Posted by: No One of Consequence at October 13, 2021 11:39 AM (CAJOC)

From the stewardesses I've seen in the past few years, that might get a tad distasteful. Unless you crave saggapalooza. Granny needs to wear a bra.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 13, 2021 11:51 AM (o2MD2)

286 over in Baton Rouge they are offering to expunge felony convictions just for getting jabbed...

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (F0YaR)


Wait, what?

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 11:51 AM (Ez6QX)

287 > Re firing the employees, I have heard that some nurses who were fired are coming back as contractors.

True. My daughter was forced out her job for refusing to get vaccinated. Many nurses did and were let go. The hospital then hired contract staff to backfill. Here's the *shocker - the contractor did not have a mandate to have their employees vaccinated and the hospital couldn't force them to do it.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 13, 2021 11:51 AM (BFigT)

288 That was in 1984. Mandatory calisthenics while you were watched and critiqued over your telescreen...
==
That's tote's lame. I'll save you.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at October 13, 2021 11:51 AM (5Ni2n)

289 whig -

Here's the EO for federal contractors:

https://tinyurl.com/yjxupp4c

note: I did a search and the word "vaccine" or "vaccination" does not appear) but it references the Safer Workhouse Taskforce document, where is here:

https://tinyurl.com/2c3drryn - unfortunately, "vaccination" does appear here.

I would love for you to tell me that these don't have legal binding!!!!

Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 11:51 AM (wyw4S)

290 I thought all there was, was a statement of intent at a press conference, and then none of the required followup whatsoever. Like, the administration wants to get compliance without actually ordering it.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (dUOaI)

Exactly right. They expect compliance because of fear that if an EO were ordered at a later date they'd be screwed trying to meet the deadlines and don't want to pay any price re future contracts with Daddy GovBucks.
Or it could be that just like in other fascistic countries, big business cannot wait to flex on the little people to show their allegience to the junta.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 13, 2021 11:52 AM (MFphb)

291 He may have misread the mood, may have gotten bad legal advice...
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This has been a trend for years. Management running to lawyers for 'advice'. A lawyer's 'advice' is just that, advice, and it be will tainted by the lawyer's legalistic prejudice.. The lawyer is not judge and jury, the management is.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2021 11:52 AM (lDew/)

292 Fuck all of this. What we need is flying cars. Like we were promised.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 13, 2021 11:52 AM (fWTJL)

293 273 And having to do all the masked and distancing kabbuki at school .... We have seen the result, more depression and suicide

Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 11:53 AM (CYnTg)

294 The lawyer is not judge and jury, the management is.

True, but modern "management" is largely a CYA exercise.

Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:53 AM (ZsR3z)

295 Just jumping in - as far as aspirin is concerned, I take a baby aspirin every morning along with my diabeetus meds (this was recommended by my PCP).

The medical company I work for is "strongly recommending" everyone get the Kung Flu shot, but no word whether it's going to be mandatory. I've already told them I'm leaving on 12/31, so if it's mandatory before then, I'll just leave sooner.

My supervisor has also said she won't be getting the shot, and they are going to have a very hard time replacing her.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 13, 2021 11:53 AM (2JVJo)

296 Okay, did a brief check Tami,
OSHA/DOL are trying to use an emergency rule procedure to avoid the normal Administrative Practices Act. This is seldom used and often overturned by courts since 1983 regarding an asbestos rule.

Courts tend to take a dim view that an emergency suddenly appears after 18 months or so that allows sidestepping normal APA practices. My guess is that it will be enjoined by judges somewhere as the penalty of 14000 per violation is more than enough to give any employer of 100 or more the power to challenge any implementation of it via standing.

Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:53 AM (9hXN1)

297 Firing airline workers and pilots seems like an ultra smart move for an airline...
**looks at calendar**
...two weeks before November.
Posted by: Azathoth


Firing doctors and nurses in the middle of a pandemic doesn't sound smart, either.
==
*looks at cargo ships stacked up outside of ports*

its almost as if someone is trying to overwhelm the system . . .

Posted by: what's that called again? at October 13, 2021 11:53 AM (xlOqw)

298 From the stewardesses I've seen in the past few years, that might get a tad distasteful. Unless you crave saggapalooza. Granny needs to wear a bra.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 13, 2021 11:51 AM (o2MD2)

Tubetops ftw!

Posted by: BignJames at October 13, 2021 11:53 AM (AwYPR)

299 286 over in Baton Rouge they are offering to expunge felony convictions just for getting jabbed...

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (F0YaR)

Wait, what?
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 11:51 AM (Ez6QX)

Something tells me that one party isn't going to keep up their end of the bargain.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 13, 2021 11:53 AM (mdjgu)

300 He disputes that a sick-out/slowdown is causing the flight cancelations. Actually, he puts it in a very strange way: He says there's "no evidence" of that.

Is this really something you need evidence for?
Posted by: Ace

I don't know, Ace.
Some people might call 1800 canceled flights in two days evidence.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 11:54 AM (OCTRt)

301 292 Fuck all of this. What we need is flying cars. Like we were promised.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 13, 2021 11:52 AM (fWTJL)

Right. All the fuckwits I see on the freeway who couldn't drive a nail up a snowman's ass really need flying cars.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 13, 2021 11:54 AM (o2MD2)

302 Some of their power comes from their ability to keep naming these Covids as CV19 variants. If they had to admit, hey, this thing is really a new CV, as we have been defining them for some decades. That we really should call it CV21, or soon, CV22. I think it would take some of the fear out of the situation, take away some of their power. OTOH, maybe it would give them a reason to initiate a new round of vaccines etc.

Posted by: MikeM at October 13, 2021 11:54 AM (5Y7fX)

303 PDJT calls for transparent investigation into murder of Ashli Babbitt. Left responds hysterically.

https://tinyurl.com/68s7vn75

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 13, 2021 11:54 AM (xWHkZ)

304 Big corporationscreen are in for Fascism hoping to get the big part of the pie

Posted by: Skip's Phone at October 13, 2021 11:54 AM (eQrhb)

305 Federal worker vax info here:

https://tinyurl.com/7jv2saj5

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 13, 2021 11:54 AM (BFigT)

306 its almost as if someone is trying to overwhelm the system . . .
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You think. Do you remember the Clinton Mortgage Ponzi Meltdown that gave us Obama?

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 13, 2021 11:54 AM (fWTJL)

307 Not illegal, but it would violate the collective bargaining agreement, so the airline and the union are both holding the line that there is no organized work stoppage.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 13, 2021 11:42 AM (BMmaB)

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No, the Railway Labor Act makes it illegal for pilots to do what they are currently doing.

Posted by: 29Victor at October 13, 2021 11:55 AM (BJKQV)

308 All the f***wits I see on the freeway who couldn't drive a nail up a snowman's ass really need flying cars.

That's the first time I've heard that expression. Like.

Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:55 AM (ZsR3z)

309 This has been a trend for years. Management running to lawyers for 'advice'. A lawyer's 'advice' is just that, advice, and it be will tainted by the lawyer's legalistic prejudice.. The lawyer is not judge and jury, the management is.
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When we sold our first company we had lawyers come with us to the negotiations. I quickly learned why lawyers are called deal killers. When we sold our other companies they looked over the deals and were not invited to the negotiations.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 13, 2021 11:55 AM (iDcra)

310 From the stewardesses I've seen in the past few years, that might get a tad distasteful. Unless you crave saggapalooza. Granny needs to wear a bra.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 13, 2021 11:51 AM (o2MD2)

Tubetops ftw!
Posted by: BignJames at October 13, 2021 11:53 AM (AwYPR)

that's somethign from th e70s that i would support making a comeback...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:55 AM (8D42x)

311 Workforce, not workhouse, but I guess under some conditions it's pretty much the same thing.

Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 11:55 AM (wyw4S)

312 Walgreens closing 5 SF stores, citing nonstop robberies.
https://youtu.be/LEuoSmW4DRw
Everybody is stumped as to why this is happening, and totally clueless as to how to solve it.

They're just stealing essentials yo.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at October 13, 2021 11:56 AM (wAnMi)

313 And, for "no bra" day:

https://tinyurl.com/3z5nxz2t

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 13, 2021 11:56 AM (2JVJo)

314 Hilariously they named their son Huxley...

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/479014/

Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 11:56 AM (CYnTg)

315 Voxday is extra creepy today. Lots of "unexplained" deaths.
==
Rapture. Left Vox behind
Posted by: Shocking news


Crap. We're all here too.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 11:56 AM (OCTRt)

316 312 Reparations. These stores have insurance anyway...

Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 11:57 AM (CYnTg)

317 over in Baton Rouge they are offering to expunge felony convictions just for getting jabbed...

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (F0YaR)


So I guy on death row in Angola instead of a three shot cocktail of potassium and curare gets a Pfizer Pfix and he's pfree?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 13, 2021 11:57 AM (s2VJv)

318 Twinks = minor gay or curious men, yes? I don't know if I was using that right, and I was too tired to bother looking it up.

Posted by: flounder at October 13, 2021 11:29 AM (KnJdm)

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Yep, was just attempting to be funny ... emphasis on the word "attempting."

;-)

Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 13, 2021 11:57 AM (ZL1fr)

319 that's somethign from th e70s that i would support making a comeback...

I think "support" is the key issue here.

Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:57 AM (ZsR3z)

320 What we need is flying cars. Like we were promised.

******

I want a pony.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 13, 2021 11:57 AM (5Woea)

321 Is this really something you need evidence for?
==
It could be a coincidence. I mean did you rule that out? Did you? Huh? Did you?

Posted by: I'm not Herb K, but by golly I run Southwest Airlines at October 13, 2021 11:57 AM (dCfxW)

322 "This is a government mandate, it's a presidential order, and we're doing our best to comply with that according to the deadlines that have been set," Kelly said

First, it is NOT a government mandate. There is "no evidence" of that, using Kelly's own words.

Second, the fact that this tool goosesteps to the "orders" of his Fuhrer speaks volumes about the nature of The Enemy.

Posted by: Joe D. Mensha at October 13, 2021 11:58 AM (WmGrA)

323 PDJT calls for transparent investigation into murder of Ashli Babbitt. Left responds hysterically.

https://tinyurl.com/68s7vn75
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 13, 2021 11:54 AM (xWHkZ)

Wow, those responses. Some are stupid and lame, but other's are nasty and threatening. They all want Joe to put the hammer down on us.

What's depressing though is how locked in they all are.
They believe Asli got what she desrved and NOTHING is going to change their minds.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 13, 2021 11:58 AM (mR6Gs)

324 And, for "no bra" day:

https://tinyurl.com/3z5nxz2t
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 13, 2021 11:56 AM (2JVJo)

very nice choice, but the poor dear looks like she's going to catch a cold. i'd offer to warm her up...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 13, 2021 11:58 AM (8D42x)

325 289 Bluebell, Thanks, I posted the link about to the Taskforce but as there has not been notice and consent required by APA above, then they are trying the emergency temporary rulemaking. See my comment above about that, the courts have enjoined (issued injunctions) pretty often against emergency rules if there is significant examples of that it is not an immediate emergency requiring evasion of the normal procedure or that it has significant punishments for violations of the temporary rule which gets into due process issues. Notice and comment as a constitutional issue before levying fines or taxes via administrative actions rest on a Supreme Court case, Londoner v. Denver with a whole host of subsequent cases following that precedent and written into federal statute by the Administrative Practices Act.

Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:58 AM (9hXN1)

326 The media complicity in disinformation is astounding.

This Forbes article speaks of Biden's 'mandate', his 'order' [is he a king?],...

"the Biden administration ratcheted up pressure by ordering the nation's largest employers to impose vaccine mandates."

Never expressing the thought that none of it has any authority WHAT SO EVER.

https://tinyurl.com/yg4gquf7

Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2021 11:58 AM (+yuVD)

327 And, for "no bra" day:

I was astonished the first time I watched The Thin Man, specifically the end, when Myrna Loy is in her clingy jammies in a railroad sleeper car. How the hell did THAT get past the censors?

Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:58 AM (ZsR3z)

328 oxday is extra creepy today. Lots of "unexplained" deaths.
==
Rapture. Left Vox behind
Posted by: Shocking news


Crap. We're all here too.
==
Hardly a surprise.

Posted by: Shocking news at October 13, 2021 11:58 AM (xlOqw)

329 261 Unfortunately the sick out is fake news.
Posted by: MikeN at October 13, 2021 11:46 AM (Al5NL)

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Please elaborate.

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 13, 2021 11:58 AM (DcKNO)

330 Didja see the new media take on the economy? First, high gas prices are good.

https://bit.ly/3v6hRtg

Then, inflation is good.

https://bit.ly/3vacUjl

But where's shortages are good and shipping problems are good?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at October 13, 2021 11:59 AM (d9FiS)

331 No, the Railway Labor Act makes it illegal for pilots to do what they are currently doing.
Posted by: 29Victor


A pilot can't get sick? Dayum.

Think about how much $$$ SWA can save by not having to carry medical insurance and give sick days.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 11:59 AM (OCTRt)

332 The CEO is the epitome of a man cvnt.

Posted by: Capital Eff at October 13, 2021 11:59 AM (2xGy+)

333 @ReutersLegal

U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth held top officials at the Washington, D.C., Department of Corrections in civil contempt, after ruling they violated the civil rights of a Capitol riot defendant by impeding his access to medical care

https://tinyurl.com/yzqe79y7

You can also read Julie Kelly's live tweets of the proceedings here:

https://tinyurl.com/yjn9lbfg

Posted by: Tami at October 13, 2021 11:59 AM (cF8AT)

334 PDJT calls for transparent investigation into murder of Ashli Babbitt. Left responds hysterically.

https://tinyurl.com/68s7vn75
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 13, 2021 11:54 AM (xWHkZ)


Read 3 comments and already spiked my blood pressure. And these are the same fucks hysterical about black flags? Obvious they're projecting on that black flag what they're openly calling for on twatter.

And I get suspended for saying "They used to tar and feather people for less". Fuck them all. #war.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at October 13, 2021 11:59 AM (wAnMi)

335 No evidence, it's already been debunked, that was like 5 days ago

Posted by: DiesIrae at October 13, 2021 11:59 AM (nwD8s)

336 It's about time someone mounted a real challenge against Herrera Beutler. She's a Never Trump squish that barely beat out the Dem last time. The conservative counties carried her over so she voted to impeach Trump twice. I truly despise her.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 13, 2021 11:49 AM (5HBd1)


There's a lot of Never Trump trash in the GOP who need to be primaried out of political existence. I won't vote for them in the general so the Vote Harder scolds can keep their whore mouths zipped.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at October 13, 2021 11:59 AM (y7DUB)

337 Rapture. Left Vox behind
Posted by: Shocking news

Crap. We're all here too.

Hardly a surprise.
Posted by: Shocking news

True dat. Wasn't unexpected.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 12:00 PM (OCTRt)

338 Right. All the fuckwits I see on the freeway who couldn't drive a nail up a snowman's ass really need flying cars.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 13, 2021 11:54 AM (o2MD2)

Interestingly, Highway deaths are up 10% this year, even though highway miles driven are DOWN 2%...

Read it at Vox, but thinking on it there have been a lot more fatal accidents lately in the local rag (I just see their headlines).

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 12:00 PM (oHd/0)

339 But he does have authority. He has the coercive power of the Federal leviathan at his back.

Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:00 PM (CYnTg)

340 What is voxday?

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 13, 2021 12:00 PM (DcKNO)

341 245 That Supreme Court case involved a state law, passed by a legislature. There are no Federal laws mandating the vaccine. And I suspect that an EO will not cut it.
____________

Didn't Biden's EO direct OHSA to issue regulations mandating the shot under some federal law having to do with medical emergencies? I seem to recall reading an article at some legal site that concluded the law wasn't even applicable to this situation, for a variety of reasons. Maybe the government lawyers came to the same conclusion, and that's why OSHA hasn't issued anything yet?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2021 12:00 PM (k4dH2)

342 327 And, for "no bra" day:

I was astonished the first time I watched The Thin Man, specifically the end, when Myrna Loy is in her clingy jammies in a railroad sleeper car. How the hell did THAT get past the censors?
Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:58 AM (ZsR3z)

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It was pre-Code (just barely).

So, regional censors probably demanded some trims, but not all of them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 12:00 PM (LvTSG)

343 Everybody is stumped as to why this is happening, and totally clueless as to how to solve it.
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No good explanation.

Posted by: Donna Brazile at October 13, 2021 12:00 PM (lDew/)

344 Read 3 comments and already spiked my blood pressure. And these are the same fucks hysterical about black flags? Obvious they're projecting on that black flag what they're openly calling for on twatter.

And I get suspended for saying "They used to tar and feather people for less". Fuck them all. #war.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at October 13, 2021 11:59 AM (wAnMi)

I lasted 5 comments, then I had to do some breathing exercises....

Posted by: JoeF. at October 13, 2021 12:01 PM (mR6Gs)

345 Hold the whipped cream; I just had dessert.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 13, 2021 12:01 PM (vuisn)

346 Thanks, whig. Does that mean my relatives can just say hey, there has been no notice and consent as required so we will not take the shot, or would their companies have to do that as a whole?

Somehow, I don't think my relatives would have a chance with this, sadly.

Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 12:01 PM (wyw4S)

347 He didn't fix the problem, he made it worse by lying about it being a valid legal order rather than the gibberings of a dictatorial mush brain. He's added hardener to the ill will with employees and customers he's poured on them.

Posted by: Minuteman at October 13, 2021 12:01 PM (PbSfE)

348 When we sold our first company we had lawyers come with us to the negotiations. I quickly learned why lawyers are called deal killers. When we sold our other companies they looked over the deals and were not invited to the negotiations.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 13, 2021 11:55 AM


Heh. The boss and team that hired me told me that one of the things that they liked was my telling them that my goal is to help them get things done, not tell them reasons why they couldn't do things, with the caveat that I might have to suggest a slightly different way of doing things to conform to the law. They liked that attitude.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2021 12:02 PM (m+jkK)

349 307 29Victor, not volunteering for overtime assignments is not a violation of RLA. Basically SWA relies on about 20 percent of its load via overtime assignments for pilots and paying them time and half for taking those flights. As it is a common workplace practice, it is more likely to be a collective action issue. If taking sick days, then it is also a contractual issue where common practice applies.

This is where Irish democracy comes in, taking individual sick days is an individual issue and collusion would have to be proved that they took the sick day with intent to cause disruption to the airlines. Not taking voluntary assignments is not a violation of RLA.

Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 12:02 PM (9hXN1)

350 Damn code, every producer and director gets to see Myrna Loy naked but we don't
Some Guy in the 30's

Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:02 PM (CYnTg)

351 It was pre-Code (just barely).

So, regional censors probably demanded some trims, but not all of them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 12:00 PM (LvTSG)

I saw a nip on TCM last night...some French film (195

Posted by: BignJames at October 13, 2021 12:03 PM (AwYPR)

352
Interestingly, Highway deaths are up 10% this year, even though highway miles driven are DOWN 2%...
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A few weeks ago, a young guy simply rammed the back of my truck as I was driving along. Not slowing, turning, nothing. He was almost certainly texting or dialing his phone.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2021 12:03 PM (lDew/)

353 Nuts to the man in 21D.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 13, 2021 12:04 PM (vuisn)

354 >> over in Baton Rouge they are offering to expunge felony convictions just for getting jabbed...

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 13, 2021 11:43 AM (F0YaR)

Wait, what?

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 11:51 AM (Ez6QX)


BATON ROUGE - The District Attorney's Office held a free vaccination event where residents could get their shot and have help filling out record expungement paperwork.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 13, 2021 12:04 PM (F0YaR)

355

Firing doctors and nurses in the middle of a pandemic doesn't sound smart, either.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 11:48 AM (OCTRt)



Nothing this country has done in the past YEAR has been smart........

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at October 13, 2021 12:04 PM (IXZGh)

356 The French had their own code....

Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:04 PM (CYnTg)

357 What is the average age of SW pilots? This may be an attempt to move the average age of pilots down and their pay.

We're in some sort of weird post-economics period. They just need people vaccinated. ('they' being much, much more than just Southwest)

Posted by: t-bird at October 13, 2021 12:04 PM (lDew/)

358 What's depressing though is how locked in they all are.
They believe Asli got what she desrved and NOTHING is going to change their minds.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 13, 2021 11:58 AM (mR6Gs)


They can't stop projecting.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at October 13, 2021 12:05 PM (wAnMi)

359 The French had their own code....
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:04 PM


Oui, oui.

Posted by: Napoleon at October 13, 2021 12:05 PM (m+jkK)

360 Rapture. Left Vox behind
Posted by: Shocking news

Crap. We're all here too.

Hardly a surprise.
Posted by: Shocking news

True dat. Wasn't unexpected.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 12:00 PM (OCTRt)


Well, if you're ready to go, you are ready to stay.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2021 12:05 PM (axyOa)

361 355 Nothing this country has done in the past YEAR has been smart........
Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at October 13, 2021 12:04 PM (IXZGh)

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*contemplates comment about my own book sales being down*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 12:05 PM (LvTSG)

362 Even without looking at the date , you usually know within five minutes that you're watching a Pre-code Hollywood movie.

Bras were optional.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 13, 2021 12:05 PM (mR6Gs)

363

Responding to CBS News poll showing most Americans don't know specifics of Democrats' spending bill, Pelosi tells
@NikolenDC
"it is hard to break through when you have such a comprehensive package"

"Whether they know it or not, they overwhelmingly support it," she says

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 13, 2021 12:05 PM (63Dwl)

364 362 Even without looking at the date , you usually know within five minutes that you're watching a Pre-code Hollywood movie.

Bras were optional.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 13, 2021 12:05 PM (mR6Gs)

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And shirts were more like sheer curtains.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 12:05 PM (LvTSG)

365 346, bluebell, it is likely that challenges to this rule have already been drafted and probably in a friendly federal court.

The administration is relying on the Jacobson Supreme Court decision which I discuss above which is a bit problematic as the federal government has no general police powers. It has some problems constitutionally, but it is easier for a federal judge to issue an injunction as a violation of the APA for an employer over a specific 14000 fine per violation under OSHA because the injury is not speculative unlike for an individual.

States may also get involved via AG's in states like Fla, TX, etc.

Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 12:06 PM (9hXN1)

366 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2021 12:02 PM (m+jkK)

Learned that mindset in the military. There is ALWAYS a reg that says no, and another that says yes.

You just need to find the right Reg, and approach people with 'what do I need to do, to make this happen?'.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 12:06 PM (oHd/0)

367 My kids think they should name the arena the Krakhouse.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 13, 2021 11:44 AM (bkUtD)

Their fans are already calling themselves 'Krakheads'.
....I wonder if they thought that through all the way

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 13, 2021 12:06 PM (V6f9+)

368 Even without looking at the date , you usually know within five minutes that you're watching a Pre-code Hollywood movie.

Bras were optional.
=
*wipes away tear*

It was a better world.

Posted by: Nostalgia, it about boobs isn't it at October 13, 2021 12:06 PM (X+vpd)

369 This is where Irish democracy comes in, taking individual sick days is an individual issue and collusion would have to be proved that they took the sick day with intent to cause disruption to the airlines. Not taking voluntary assignments is not a violation of RLA.
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 12:02 PM (9hXN1)

Right. Which is why the CEO is talking like he is and why the union won't talk about it at all. It's obviously organized somehow but everyone has to pretend that it isn't.

Posted by: 29Victor at October 13, 2021 12:06 PM (BJKQV)

370 I was astonished the first time I watched The Thin Man, specifically the end, when Myrna Loy is in her clingy jammies in a railroad sleeper car. How the hell did THAT get past the censors?
Posted by: pep at October 13, 2021 11:58 AM (ZsR3z)

The Thin Man
didn't come out until 1934, which was when the studios began really cracking down with the Hays Code, so it just sneaked under the wire.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 13, 2021 12:06 PM (2JVJo)

371 Ben Shapiro's sister needs needs to embrace lose the bra day.

https://tinyurl.com/47kwyuxh

Posted by: Capital Eff at October 13, 2021 12:07 PM (2xGy+)

372 Well, if you're ready to go, you are ready to stay.
Posted by: Diogenes


I'm ready to go.
Sadly, it won't be a surprise to stay.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 12:07 PM (OCTRt)

373 A few weeks ago, a young guy simply rammed the back of my truck as I was driving along. Not slowing, turning, nothing.

The micro-clots in the brain.

Posted by: VDay at October 13, 2021 12:07 PM (2YhrB)

374 I got your comprehensive package right here

Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:07 PM (CYnTg)

375 Heh. The boss and team that hired me told me that one of the things that they liked was my telling them that my goal is to help them get things done, not tell them reasons why they couldn't do things, with the caveat that I might have to suggest a slightly different way of doing things to conform to the law. They liked that attitude.

Really, this is just parenting advice applied to lawyering: telling people they can't do something versus saying if they do, "x" might or will follow and suggesting that "y" course of action is an alternative. At the end of the day, lawyers are advisors and have to accept that. By the same token, clients want to have it both ways: if you tell them "x" is a really stupid plan, they cry; if you don't tell them "x" is a really stupid plan, they blame you when they find out for themselves how stupid plan "x" is.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 13, 2021 12:07 PM (QU5/8)

376 374 I got your comprehensive package right here
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:07 PM (CYnTg)

==========

Are you hitting on Nancy Pelosi?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 12:07 PM (LvTSG)

377 Back in 2020, this CEO was pushing for nationwide mask mandates (everyone...not just people directly related to SouthWest or traveling on their planes).

Posted by: Orson at October 13, 2021 12:07 PM (O97Vq)

378 New Amazon's Lord or the Rings Poster just dropped.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SimDisrespecter/status/
1448333480849412096/photo/1

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 13, 2021 12:08 PM (KqI8+)

379 My kids think they should name the arena the Krakhouse.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 13, 2021 11:44 AM (bkUtD)

Their fans are already calling themselves 'Krakheads'.
....I wonder if they thought that through all the way
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards,


I wonder if they'll have deep fried calamari on the menu?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 12:08 PM (OCTRt)

380 I saw a nip on TCM last night...
Posted by: BignJames


******

Quiz:

This event was the highlight of my:
[ ] Day
[ ] Week
[ ] Month
[ ] Year
[ ] Conscious memory

Posted by: Muldoon at October 13, 2021 12:08 PM (5Woea)

381 296 Okay, did a brief check Tami,
OSHA/DOL are trying to use an emergency rule procedure to avoid the normal Administrative Practices Act. This is seldom used and often overturned by courts since 1983 regarding an asbestos rule.

Courts tend to take a dim view that an emergency suddenly appears after 18 months or so that allows sidestepping normal APA practices. My guess is that it will be enjoined by judges somewhere as the penalty of 14000 per violation is more than enough to give any employer of 100 or more the power to challenge any implementation of it via standing.
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 11:53 AM (9hXN1)

My faith in the courts is in the negative numbers at this point...but I hope you're right.

Posted by: Tami at October 13, 2021 12:08 PM (cF8AT)

382 The CEO and the union both know that if this comes to a head the man in charge of settling things is *drumroll* Joe Biden.

And they know that means drone strikes and slurred stupidity and arrest without cause and general incompetence and screwups.

Posted by: 29Victor at October 13, 2021 12:08 PM (BJKQV)

383 Learned that mindset in the military. There is ALWAYS a reg that says no, and another that says yes.

You just need to find the right Reg, and approach people with 'what do I need to do, to make this happen?'.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 13, 2021 12:06 PM


Exactly. And the boss (as am I) was ex-military. At the Hudson Valley School for Wayward Youth, you had to be creative finding a way around the regs. Of course, then they'd just slap you with "gross lack of judgment" when they couldn't find a reg you broke...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2021 12:08 PM (m+jkK)

384 One thing I do like in the code movies is that the bad guys( and women) always get their just reward. Refreshing compared to most movies from the late 60's on....

Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:08 PM (CYnTg)

385 Their fans are already calling themselves 'Krakheads'.
....I wonder if they thought that through all the way


I suggest Krakkers. Get that franchise tossed in its first year.

Posted by: t-bird at October 13, 2021 12:09 PM (SwCv8)

386 There's no evidence means - "I'm already between a rock and a hard place, and siccing the government on the union employees will only make this blow up in my face faster and harder."

Yes. Yes, it will.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at October 13, 2021 12:09 PM (3CeVx)

387 Ben Shapiro's sister needs needs to embrace lose the bra day.

https://tinyurl.com/47kwyuxh

Posted by: Capital Eff at October 13, 2021 12:07 PM (2xGy+)

Bailiff! Whack his pee pee!

Posted by: BignJames at October 13, 2021 12:09 PM (AwYPR)

388 What's depressing though is how locked in they all are.
They believe Asli got what she desrved and NOTHING is going to change their minds.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 13, 2021 11:58 AM (mR6Gs)
They can't stop projecting.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at October 13, 2021 12:05 PM (wAnMi)

I agree, but we've reached a point where common sense, judgment and critical thinking no longer exist in our political discourse.
Nothing is going to stop them from believing that it was a violent insurrection, that Ashli was armed and that her killing was justifiable.

Nothing.

It's beyond mere projection.
They BELIEVE it.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 13, 2021 12:09 PM (mR6Gs)

389 OT
Rolling Stones will stop performing hit song 'Brown Sugar' after 50 years

LOL dumbfucks

Posted by: wth at October 13, 2021 12:09 PM (v0R5T)

390 You can tell a pre-code movie when the women strip to their undergarments in at least one scene.

Posted by: JuJuBee at October 13, 2021 12:09 PM (mNhhD)

391 The micro-clots in the brain.
Posted by: VDay at October 13, 2021 12:07 PM (2YhrB)

The bad kind?

Posted by: 29Victor at October 13, 2021 12:10 PM (BJKQV)

392 Hammer,

Not sure its the same in other States, but here kids don't even have to take a drivers test at the DMV anymore.

Their driving instructor just OK's them and they show to do the in person vision test a viola...! My 16 year old had his license.

Now he's a pretty damn good driver, but they're doing this for all kids.

Its got to be playing a bit of a role.

Posted by: H Badger at October 13, 2021 12:10 PM (n/0Nw)

393 A few weeks ago, a young guy simply rammed the back of my truck as I was driving along. Not slowing, turning, nothing.

The micro-clots in the brain.
Posted by: VDay
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May have been tattoo ink poisoning. Much of that was in evidence.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2021 12:10 PM (lDew/)

394 NHL's newest team the Seattle Kraken

"The New Squids on the Block"

Posted by: Muldoon at October 13, 2021 12:10 PM (5Woea)

395 376 I'm half Italian, it's the way my people do it...

Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:10 PM (CYnTg)

396 The Usuals seem to hate VoxDay.
Lmao

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 13, 2021 12:10 PM (KqI8+)

397 The Thin Man didn't come out until 1934, which was when the studios began really cracking down with the Hays Code, so it just sneaked under the wire.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 13, 2021 12:06 PM


Now imma have to rewatch The Thin Man this weekend.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2021 12:10 PM (m+jkK)

398 208 @LadyJustice6910

DeSantis to stranded cargo ships: Come here, we can do what CA is too inept and stupid to do. Florida is where businesses flourish.

https://tinyurl.com/yeaneqde
Posted by: Tami at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (cF8AT)


Hey, all the more reason for me to house-shop while I'm down there burning all of my PTO with little advanced notice.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at October 13, 2021 12:11 PM (DTX3h)

399 Isn't Brown Sugar, you know, complimentary of black women?

Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:11 PM (CYnTg)

400 Was just reading the injunction granted in the Northern District of New York for the NY State healthcare workers. It is pretty clear that these mandates are a federal violation of Title VII.

There was even a question he didn't bother to address because the plantiffs are so likely to succeed on the merits of the Title VII claim.

At this point, any company that does not offer easily granted religious/medical alternatives of masks and testing, is in serious legal jeopardy. These mandates are losing in federal and state courts.

2nd and 3rd Courts of Appeals have issued similar rulings in other cases.

This EO is going to be an embarrassing failure for Biden.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at October 13, 2021 12:11 PM (5p7BC)

401 Well Vox dislikes Jews and hates Israel so...he's a hard sell for some folks.

His comics are ok.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 13, 2021 12:11 PM (V6f9+)

402 341 Trivial Pursuer, This is my understanding.

OSHA indicated formal intent back in June of issuing emergency regulations and then Biden's Sept 9 EO, delegated covid management regulation to an interagency task force. OSHA and Dept of Labor Office of Federal Contract Compliance are involved to my understanding with assignees from other agencies involved in the Task Force.

Apparently, the task force is going to recommend OSHA issue a temporary order requiring compliance with vaxx or other means without going through the normal notice and comment rulemaking. This makes it more vulnerable to court challenge. Some of the leaked details apparently include stiff fines for employers for violations.

Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 12:12 PM (9hXN1)

403 Nothing is going to stop them from believing that it was a violent insurrection, that Ashli was armed and that her killing was justifiable.

Nothing.

It's beyond mere projection.
They BELIEVE it.
Posted by: JoeF.


I know one thing that will, but opsec.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 12:12 PM (OCTRt)

404 Like Seinfeld says in one episode " How is it racist if I like her race?" ( When Jerry mentions he likes Chinese women)

Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:12 PM (CYnTg)

405 ras were optional.
Posted by: JoeF. at October 13, 2021 12:05 PM (mR6Gs)

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And shirts were more like sheer curtains.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 12:05 PM (LvTSG)

The only drawback is that "thin was in" at the time, so the actresses tended to be flat chested.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 13, 2021 12:12 PM (mR6Gs)

406 OT
Rolling Stones will stop performing hit song 'Brown Sugar' after 50 years
----

I assume that Ten Years After, 'I'd Love to Change the World', hasn't been aired in 30 years.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2021 12:12 PM (lDew/)

407 Not sure its the same in other States, but here kids don't even have to take a drivers test at the DMV anymore.

Posted by: H Badger at October 13, 2021 12:10 PM (n/0Nw)


That was the case with my nephew in AZ.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 12:12 PM (Ez6QX)

408 This EO is going to be an embarrassing failure for Biden.
==
with such a sterling track record of uninterrupted success so far . . .

Posted by: Shocking news at October 13, 2021 12:13 PM (hSN3z)

409 "Whether they know it or not, they overwhelmingly support it," she says
_________________

Why wouldn't they support a bill chock full of stuff they don't know about, when they know it will spend trillions of dollars we don't have, on shit we don't need and can't afford, and will raise taxes on every producer of goods and services, which will make everything that everybody buys a lot more expensive?

What's not to love about it?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2021 12:13 PM (k4dH2)

410 The Vaxx mandate isn't a mandate - it's all fake. And even if it becomes real, don't comply. This is a good hill to die on.

Posted by: Archer at October 13, 2021 12:13 PM (gmo/4)

411 408 This EO is going to be an embarrassing failure for Biden.
==
with such a sterling track record of uninterrupted success so far . . .
Posted by: Shocking news at October 13, 2021 12:13 PM (hSN3z)

==========

"This is the worst day of my presidency..."

"The worst day so far."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the West with Leone at October 13, 2021 12:13 PM (LvTSG)

412 401 Well Vox dislikes Jews and hates Israel so...he's a hard sell for some folks.

His comics are ok.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 13, 2021 12:11 PM (V6f9+)


He has also stated that men who don't have kids are agents of Satan. So he's not particularly wild about me, either.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at October 13, 2021 12:13 PM (DTX3h)

413 398 208 @LadyJustice6910

DeSantis to stranded cargo ships: Come here, we can do what CA is too inept and stupid to do. Florida is where businesses flourish.

https://tinyurl.com/yeaneqde
Posted by: Tami at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (cF8AT)
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They are burning fuel sitting out in the bay they may as well burn that fuel going through the canal.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2021 12:13 PM (+yuVD)

414 Saw my doc this morning to have a small patch of iffy skin removed. Got to talking about the clot shot. He said it's not the typical coronavirus, effects circulation more then other viruses. Wish I could remember the term he used. We discussed my great nephew having myocarditis after his jab. The doc has a 5 year old and absolutely will not have him get the shot. He doesn't trust it for children without more research.
Also mentioned that people panicked way too much when the chinese lung rot really got going.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at October 13, 2021 12:14 PM (2NHgQ)

415 The Kraken are also "reaching out" to bring hockey to those BIPOC youth in communities disproportionately impacted by climate change.

And "unhoused" youths.

They may have lost sight of hockey's core demographic.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 13, 2021 12:14 PM (5Woea)

416 351 II saw a nip on TCM last night...some French film (195

Posted by: BignJames at October 13, 2021 12:03 PM (AwYPR)

My Dad saw plenty of Nips during the war. At least that was his word for the Japs.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2021 12:14 PM (ynpvh)

417 Their driving instructor just OK's them and they show to do the in person vision test a viola...! My 16 year old had his license.

Now he's a pretty damn good driver, but they're doing this for all kids.

Its got to be playing a bit of a role.
Posted by: H Badger at October 13, 2021 12:10 PM (n/0Nw)
Heh! I aced driver's ed and the test. Didn't keep me from totaling out 3 cars twixt 17 and 21. Testosterone played a prominent role I expect.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 13, 2021 12:14 PM (o2MD2)

418 Zero pilots have spoken out on the publicly. Name one.

Posted by: MikeN at October 13, 2021 12:14 PM (Al5NL)

419 Well I'll be...

There's something from Gaylord I can ahree with - Joey will find a way to screw things up.

Guess Hell froze over.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2021 12:15 PM (SGPGO)

420 413 Not only burning fuel,one of the knocked a cap off an oil well with an anchor and caused a spill.

Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:15 PM (CYnTg)

421 And he's running to be the Lt. Governor of Texas-

Matthew Dowd
@matthewjdowd
I have a couple of barred owls that live on the land here who each morning before sunrise speak their truths. Some times in midst of my own prayer/meditation I feel they are sharing wisdom. Today it is: let go of the end, just do right in the moment, fight today for others.

Posted by: redridinghood at October 13, 2021 12:15 PM (NpAcC)

422 Well Vox dislikes Jews and hates Israel so...he's a hard sell for some folks.

His comics are ok.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 13, 2021 12:11 PM (V6f9+)

He has also stated that men who don't have kids are agents of Satan. So he's not particularly wild about me, either.
==
He thinks men of west african descent are idiots as well.

Posted by: C. Thomas at October 13, 2021 12:15 PM (al00h)

423 Voxday is extra creepy today. Lots of "unexplained" deaths.

Posted by: Max Power at October 13, 2021 11:33 AM (QCc6B)

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A friend sent me a link to one of his posts recently. He ended it with a funny line, something like "Similar to the old saw about the Holy Roman Empire, the 'safe, effective vaccines" are neither safe, nor effective, nor vaccines."

Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 13, 2021 12:15 PM (ZL1fr)

424 This EO is going to be an embarrassing failure for Biden.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at October 13, 2021 12:11 PM (5p7BC)
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Thank you

Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2021 12:15 PM (+yuVD)

425 417 Heh! I aced driver's ed and the test. Didn't keep me from totaling out 3 cars twixt 17 and 21. Testosterone played a prominent role I expect.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 13, 2021 12:14 PM (o2MD2)

Teens and young adults are stupid that way.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2021 12:15 PM (ynpvh)

426 Pfft. Without Charlie Watts, the Stones are the backing band to Mick fapping.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 13, 2021 12:15 PM (2JVJo)

427 Isn't Brown Sugar, you know, complimentary of black women?
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:11 PM (CYnTg)

There is a YouTube video of Mick Jagger playing an early version of Brown Sugar on electric guitar ( he has a nice dirty tone) in the presence of IKE and Tina Turner backstage at MSG, and you should see Ike's face when he realizes what the song is about.

Mick had huge balls.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 13, 2021 12:16 PM (mR6Gs)

428 381, Tami, one federal judge has already issued a temporary injunction to United Airlines over their vaxx mandate. The issue is that existing case law makes it easier for one of the hundreds of federal district court judges to issue a temporary injunction against the rule and then a trial occurs in due leisurely course to develop facts in the case and make a ruling; only then can the appellate courts get involved. Interlocutory appeals are almost never taken by appellate courts because essentially the appellate court is ruling before the facts in the case are fully developed.

Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 12:16 PM (9hXN1)

429 Don't know, but doubt FL has the port/rail capacity to take more than a small portion of the cargo backlog in CA.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 13, 2021 12:16 PM (OTzUX)

430 Is there an actual EO yet?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 13, 2021 12:16 PM (yQpMk)

431 Also mentioned that people panicked way too much when the chinese lung rot really got going.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at October 13, 2021 12:14 PM (2NHgQ)

Seems like your doctor is sane.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 13, 2021 12:16 PM (csEWM)

432 410 The Vaxx mandate isn't a mandate - it's all fake. And even if it becomes real, don't comply. This is a good hill to die on.
Posted by: Archer


You first.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 13, 2021 12:16 PM (Dxj7R)

433 415 The Rangers have been doing " Hockey in Harlem" every year for as long as I can remember. I don't think it has produced and NHL players...

Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:16 PM (CYnTg)

434 418 Zero pilots have spoken out on the publicly. Name one.

Posted by: MikeN at October 13, 2021 12:14 PM (Al5NL)

I thought they were all dead or nearly so. Have to be in their late 90's by now, at least those that weren't on Kamakazi missions...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2021 12:16 PM (ynpvh)

435 I already had my driver's license when I took driver's ed. Did it so the old man got an insurance discount.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2021 12:17 PM (lDew/)

436 430 Is there an actual EO yet?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 13, 2021 12:16 PM (yQpMk)

Not that I am aware of. Everyone is just reacting as if there was- which is exactly what they want, to outsource the tyranny to private companies.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 13, 2021 12:17 PM (csEWM)

437 States may also get involved via AG's in states like Fla, TX, etc.
Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 12:06 PM (9hXN1)
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In which case we are screwed, here in VA. Thanks for answering though, whig, and I hope some of these cases make it through soon. This all needs to go bust.

Posted by: bluebell at October 13, 2021 12:17 PM (wyw4S)

438 It is a long way around the horn if the ships don't fit through the canal.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 13, 2021 12:17 PM (qfUXd)

439 Biden is blaming private business for the supply chain problems, like 60 plus ships waiting to be unloaded off CA's coast.


You know who would be solving the problem were he President?

Posted by: Javems at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (AmoqO)

440 A thin smear of ranch dressing on a ham and swiss is not bad.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (csEWM)

441 413 398 208 @LadyJustice6910

DeSantis to stranded cargo ships: Come here, we can do what CA is too inept and stupid to do. Florida is where businesses flourish.

https://tinyurl.com/yeaneqde
Posted by: Tami at October 13, 2021 11:40 AM (cF8AT)
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They are burning fuel sitting out in the bay they may as well burn that fuel going through the canal.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2021 12:13 PM (+yuVD)
***

Make the Biden regime show its hand by forcing Panama to close the canal to this shipping.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (axyOa)

442 We discussed my great nephew having myocarditis after his jab. The doc has a 5 year old and absolutely will not have him get the shot. He doesn't trust it for children without more research.
Also mentioned that people panicked way too much when the chinese lung rot really got going.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at October 13, 2021 12:14 PM (2NHgQ)


Buddy that went to the ER after waiting too long once sick (with SARS) was told that this whole thing is reasonably silly. It's like the flu. There's nothing you can really do about it. You're GOING to get it. You just need to do what you can to have a healthy immune system, get tested and treated early and you'll be, most likely, FINE.

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (IXZGh)

443 440 A thin smear of ranch dressing on a ham and swiss is not bad.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (csEWM)

There's also bacon ranch...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (ynpvh)

444 They will add the line to the EO: Employees are not allowed to seek an injunction to this EO.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (qfUXd)

445 Isn't Brown Sugar, you know, complimentary of black women?
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:11 PM (CYnTg)


at some point there is no actual reason beyond the need to destroy something.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (KbLYZ)

446 421 He got all of that out Hooo Hooo?
The Owls

Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (CYnTg)

447 Heh! I aced driver's ed and the test. Didn't keep me from totaling out 3 cars twixt 17 and 21. Testosterone played a prominent role I expect.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 13, 2021 12:14 PM (o2MD2)

Teens and young adults are stupid that way.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2021 12:15 PM (ynpvh)


Hence the ridiculous insurance rates for males under age 25.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (Ez6QX)

448 You know who would be solving the problem were he President?
Posted by: Javems at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (AmoqO)

There might not be a problem if he wasn't president.

Wait are we saying Trump or Kamala?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (csEWM)

449 Rolling Stones will stop performing hit song 'Brown Sugar' after 50 years

This is depressing. It's a great song and if it wasn't racist 50 years ago, why is racist now?

I wish they'd say fuck you and it

On the other hand, the bassist and the drummer are black.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 13, 2021 12:19 PM (mR6Gs)

450 but I would not choose to have a woman pilot.

The most famous woman pilot of all time managed to get herself disappeared to the point of never officially being found.
Chuck Yeager died of old age well into his 90s.
Just saying

Posted by: Azjaeger at October 13, 2021 12:19 PM (3/XaG)

451 Also mentioned that people panicked way too much when the chinese lung rot really got going.

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we should probably face the fact that it was likely an bio weapon and whether it was release din error or by intent , and so we didn't know how bad it was at first. So it was a freak out. The financial incentive to fear marketing for the pharma industry is epic. Everyone knows defense contractors are corrupt but this is that system on steroids.

Posted by: you aren't yet cynical enough to appreciate the people running this particular shit show at October 13, 2021 12:19 PM (X+vpd)

452 CA has banned fuel burning ship engines.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 13, 2021 12:19 PM (qfUXd)

453 Biden is blaming private business for the supply chain problems, like 60 plus ships waiting to be unloaded off CA's coast.


You know who would be solving the problem were he President?
Posted by: Javems at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (AmoqO)


Someone posted earlier that California has passed LAWS that have caused this entire shipping issue.

But hey.....KEEP NEWSOME IN POWER. IT'S WORKING OUT WELL FOR EVERYONE.

Retards.......

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at October 13, 2021 12:20 PM (IXZGh)

454 DeSantis to stranded cargo ships: Come here, we can do what CA is too inept and stupid to do. Florida is where businesses flourish.

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My daughter saw an aerial photo of ships waiting to unload that had spelled out "Let's Go Brandon".

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at October 13, 2021 12:20 PM (d9FiS)

455 Zero pilots have spoken out on the publicly. Name one.
Posted by: MikeN
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Uhm, pretty obviously not the case...

DAVID SAMBRANO ET AL.,
Plaintiffs,
v. No. 4:21-cv-1074-P
UNITED AIRLINES, INC.,
Defendant.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at October 13, 2021 12:20 PM (5p7BC)

456 445 Isn't Brown Sugar, you know, complimentary of black women?
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:11 PM (CYnTg)

at some point there is no actual reason beyond the need to destroy something.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (KbLYZ)

Pam Grier is hot.
https://tinyurl.com/3wh8vp2a

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 13, 2021 12:20 PM (csEWM)

457 449 Rolling Stones will stop performing hit song 'Brown Sugar' after 50 years

Let's play "When Will they Cave?" We know they will, they all will. It's just a matter of time.

Posted by: Ordinary American at October 13, 2021 12:20 PM (H8QX8)

458 447 Heh! I aced driver's ed and the test. Didn't keep me from totaling out 3 cars twixt 17 and 21. Testosterone played a prominent role I expect.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 13, 2021 12:14 PM (o2MD2)

Teens and young adults are stupid that way.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2021 12:15 PM (ynpvh)

Hence the ridiculous insurance rates for males under age 25.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (Ez6QX)

I was on a business trip early in my carreer, but was not yet 25. I had a HELL of a time getting a rental car. Only one agency would rent to me at 2x the cost. I didn't care; the company was paying for it anyway.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2021 12:20 PM (ynpvh)

459 429 Don't know, but doubt FL has the port/rail capacity to take more than a small portion of the cargo backlog in CA.
Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 13, 2021 12:16 PM (OTzUX)
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Those ships will pass TX and LA ports on the way to FL.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2021 12:20 PM (+yuVD)

460 Inflation NOOD

Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 13, 2021 12:20 PM (ZL1fr)

461 Has Panama finished enlarging the locks for bigger ships?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2021 12:20 PM (SGPGO)

462 Rolling Stones will stop performing hit song 'Brown Sugar' after 50 years

Why can't we just get a commitment from these walking corpses to not play any of their songs anymore? Mick Jagger is 78.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 13, 2021 12:21 PM (QU5/8)

463 I would not choose to have a woman pilot.
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I knew a girl who grew up to be a pilot. She ran over her own dog backing out of the driveway when she was younger.

Posted by: Its funny because its true at October 13, 2021 12:21 PM (dCfxW)

464 450 but I would not choose to have a woman pilot.

The most famous woman pilot of all time managed to get herself disappeared to the point of never officially being found.
Chuck Yeager died of old age well into his 90s.
Just saying

Posted by: Azjaeger at October 13, 2021 12:19 PM (3/XaG)

Who else would you want in your cockpit, eh?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2021 12:21 PM (ynpvh)

465 The most famous woman pilot of all time managed to get herself disappeared to the point of never officially being found.
Chuck Yeager died of old age well into his 90s.
Just saying
Posted by: Azjaeger at October 13, 2021 12:19 PM (3/XaG)

From what i've read, she wasn't a very good pilot, and an even worse navigator.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 13, 2021 12:21 PM (o2MD2)

466 The most famous woman pilot of all time managed to get herself disappeared to the point of never officially being found.
Chuck Yeager died of old age well into his 90s.
Just saying
Posted by: Azjaeger at October 13, 2021 12:19 PM (3/XaG)

Considering that he was a test pilot (not exactly know for long living) and she was an 'female boundary pusher'. Well, it does sound bad when you put it that way.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 13, 2021 12:21 PM (csEWM)

467 296 Okay, did a brief check Tami,
OSHA/DOL are trying to use an emergency rule procedure to avoid the normal Administrative Practices Act. This is seldom used and often overturned by courts since 1983 regarding an asbestos rule.

Courts tend to take a dim view that an emergency suddenly appears after 18 months or so that allows sidestepping normal APA practices. My guess is that it will be enjoined by judges somewhere as the penalty of 14000 per violation is more than enough to give any employer of 100 or more the power to challenge any implementation of it via standing.

==

OSHA is looking for anyway to not issue a regulation because they have no legal ground to stand on regardless of the methodology they use to create the rule. And with Biden having burned his bridges with SCOTUS, OSHA will not get any help.

In addition, OSHA does not directly administer the act in every state. I don't know what the situation is in Texas, but I imagine they T-OSHA, a state based and directed agency that applies safety rules. Pretty plain where Texas is at. So OSHA isn't coming to SWA's rescue.

Posted by: Black JEM at October 13, 2021 12:21 PM (V6xwG)

468 438 It is a long way around the horn if the ships don't fit through the canal.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 13, 2021 12:17 PM (qfUXd)
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Didn't the Chinese make a wider?

Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2021 12:21 PM (+yuVD)

469 CA has banned fuel burning ship engines.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 13, 2021 12:19 PM (qfUXd)



Go long on galley futures.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 13, 2021 12:22 PM (yQpMk)

470 452 CA has banned fuel burning ship engines.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 13, 2021 12:19 PM (qfUXd)

I want CA to ban oil spills, burning ships and wildfires now.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2021 12:22 PM (ynpvh)

471 There is a YouTube video of Mick Jagger playing an early version of Brown Sugar on electric guitar ( he has a nice dirty tone) in the presence of IKE and Tina Turner backstage at MSG, and you should see Ike's face when he realizes what the song is about.

-
Well, Ike is a paragon of moral virtue.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at October 13, 2021 12:22 PM (d9FiS)

472 456 445 Isn't Brown Sugar, you know, complimentary of black women?
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2021 12:11 PM (CYnTg)

at some point there is no actual reason beyond the need to destroy something.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 13, 2021 12:18 PM (KbLYZ)

Pam Grier is hot.
https://tinyurl.com/3wh8vp2a

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 13, 2021 12:20 PM (csEWM)

She was culturally appropriating in that pic.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2021 12:22 PM (ynpvh)

473 You first.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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Ok.

I've already told my company that they will have to fire me on Dec 8th if they don't grant a religious accommodation. I will go through with it.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at October 13, 2021 12:23 PM (5p7BC)

474 But where's shortages are good and shipping problems are good?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at October 13, 2021 11:59 AM (d9FiS)


It prevents DEFLATION and you know DEFLATION is the worst thing ever because it leads to A LIQUIDITY TRAP which is the worst thing ever ever.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 13, 2021 12:24 PM (KbLYZ)

475 415 The Kraken are also "reaching out" to bring hockey to those BIPOC youth in communities disproportionately impacted by climate change.

And "unhoused" youths.

They may have lost sight of hockey's core demographic.
______________

What are you saying? That people of African or other tropical ancestry aren't usually interested in playing a sport that was invented by people from frigid climates, and involves skating around on ice while dressed in very heavy clothing?

That can't possibly be! Must be just more of that evil white supremacy preventing POC's from participating in a sport that they would naturally be drawn to!

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2021 12:24 PM (k4dH2)

476 437, AG's may get involved as this mandate potentially violates the Tenth Amendment even OSHA is trying to backdoor its ruling based on federal Commerce Clause powers.

What is going to tangle things up is if the fed govt can mandate businesses force individuals to take something, then it is potentially an unlimited power. Even Jacobson ruling had the Supreme Court suggesting that states do not have that power. Since then, the whole jurisprudence of right of privacy, right to die, abortion, etc. have been erected on the basis of my body, my choice and then there are religious arguments as well including RFRA which binds OSHA. Note that an interagency taskforce was specially created for this rule that circumvents any agency from taking all the blame for the rule. My personal guess is that some district court judge somewhere will issue an injunction and it might well be nationwide as the Obama judges have established that precedent via Hawaiian judges.

Posted by: whig at October 13, 2021 12:25 PM (9hXN1)

477 Pam Grier is hot.
https://tinyurl.com/3wh8vp2a
Posted by: Aetius451AD


Hotter than Rosie Grier.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2021 12:25 PM (OCTRt)

478 She was culturally appropriating in that pic.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2021 12:22 PM (ynpvh)

Why I picked it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 13, 2021 12:26 PM (csEWM)

479 This is a good hill to die on.
Posted by: Archer


You first.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 13, 2021 12:16 PM (Dxj7R)

You can't go second or even third.

Posted by: To be fair at October 13, 2021 12:28 PM (VTfbZ)

480 Biden is blaming private business for the supply chain problems, like 60 plus ships waiting to be unloaded off CA's coast.

Everything would be better if only Joe had remained a trucker

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at October 13, 2021 12:30 PM (cSyAR)

481 So Judge Lamberth is upset that the DOJ and the DC DOC let prisoners with cancer and injuries go untreated? Does Judge Lamberth have any idea where they got the idea that could do that and get away with it? Because they didn't just come up with that on their own....

Judge Lamberth and all the rest of the DC circuit sitting as jurist in the J6 defendant trials - everyone - ALL caused this mistreatment to happen...

Posted by: Boswell at October 13, 2021 12:34 PM (5iUNf)

482 Just heard a duo of talking heads on the radio explaining for their listeners that the problems at Southwest over the weekend were really about scheduling and personnel and weather and a couple other things, and that -- tangentially -- there was also some concern from a few pilots about covid vaccines but they really had nothing to do with the slowdown. (Basically, they reframed the bullshit that came out of Psaki's piehole the other day.)

To that end, I think that if airlines and the White House are going to play this off as a weather glitch and "little hub-but," the pilots ought to create an unmistakably huge "hub-but" to clarify who's got who by the balls here.

Posted by: red speck at October 13, 2021 12:41 PM (gS3OW)

483 And he's running to be the Lt. Governor of Texas-

Matthew Dowd

"Vote for me! I will do what the owls tell me to do! And that's a promise you can count on!" ( Stares firmly and sincerely into camera with slight smile)

Posted by: Azjaeger at October 13, 2021 12:41 PM (3/XaG)

484 "HUB-BUB"

Fucking autocorrect.

Posted by: red speck at October 13, 2021 12:41 PM (gS3OW)

485 I have been praying for God to raise up people with spines, and I am rather pleasantly surprised to see the non-boneless-chickens coming from union workers.

Posted by: Random Person at October 13, 2021 03:57 PM (p8Dz9)

486 Hmmm - Has anyone seen this elusive Executive Order or regulation from OSHA?


I thought not.


I trust that Southwest pilots are better at avoiding imagined perils than their CEO is at avoiding Democrat gaslighting. (I know they are - two are my kin and excellent pilots and patriots).

Posted by: Vladtheimp at October 13, 2021 05:41 PM (cFnie)

487 Someone needs to ask a simple question from a SW spox. I spent a lot of time explaining why gov officials could not fly SW even though they were cheaper. They can not compete for most Gov contracts because they do not meet basic contract reqs. If SW has gov contracts it is outside what gov officials are allowed to book.

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