National Divorce: A Solution Attracting More and More Support

Thanks to Braenyard, a near-majority support secession.

The VERY divided states of America: More than half of Trump voters and 41% of Biden supporters want red and blue states to SECEDE from the union, shock new poll finds
52% of Trump voters want red states to secede from the union, and 41% of Biden voters want blue states to split off
Over 40% of voters in both parties favor abolishing the checks and balances built into federal government and giving the president greater control
Over 75% of voters on both sides agree that strong supporters of the opposite party present a 'clear and present danger' to American life
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Meanwhile, 56% of Biden voters at least somewhat agreed with the statement 'There's no real difference between Republicans and Fascists' and 76% of Trump voters agreed with the statement 'There's no real difference between Democrats and Socialists.'
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In June, a survey found that a whopping two-thirds of Republicans in the South favored secession, while nearly half of Democrats in the Pacific region and 40% in the Northeast felt the same.
Support for secession is also considerable among independents in the Midwest and Great Lakes regions, where 43 percent say they would favor breaking away and forming their own country.
Half of independents in the South also favor secession while 43 percent of Republicans in the Rocky Mountain states share the same view.

It's time.

Dave Reaboi coincidentally wrote on this subject today, using a joke I'm fond of myself: National Divorce is expensive, but worth every penny.

As with any breakup or divorce, even if we had a popular consensus for a National Divorce in principle, there are all kinds of details--and massive, very thorny ones, like who gets which territories, populations, industries or nuclear weapons caches--that could cause tumultuous and potentially violent negotiations. All these points of contention are very real and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand; they're not going anywhere. The seriousness of these issues and their daunting solutions are meant to prove that the breakup of the United States will always be an impossibility.
But that's not right. National Divorce or some other, more tragic and chaotic outcome won’t be impossible forever. Despite heaping dollops of patriotic propaganda--which, admittedly, is essential to maintenance of the citizens' faith in the regime--one day, the United States will end. History teaches us that regimes, like all human creations, rise and fall--and world-bestriding empires fall harder, faster, and more surely than that. Admitting this is a possibility isn't as accurate as understanding it as a certainty; yes, the timeline is hazy, but it's coming.
And, as one approaches the crisis and contempt between Americans builds beyond what is currently imaginable, those thorny points of contention--heretofore enough to reduce National Divorce to a laugh-line--become real objects of debate and deliberative thought...
It's interesting that those with the strongest objections to National Divorce today seem to base their (admittedly legitimate) worry about those horrific split-up scenarios rather than make a principled, Lincolnesque argument about the insolubility of the Union. Of course, appeals to Boomer Patriotism still exist, but I'm not sure if that kind of thing gets very many people going anymore. As that generation recedes from its long reign over the nation’s political and cultural life--to be replaced by a more combative cohort weaned on civilizational exhaustion and a sense of impending collapse--we'll see even less.

BTW, I think I invented the term "National Divorce." I knew "civil war" didn't sell. And "secession" had too many negative connotations.

I thought branding it as "National Divorce" would make it more conceivable.

Speaking of civil war, Ryan Williams at the Claremont Institute talks about that possibility, and the seriousness of the Red/Blue divide, with a Boomer Liberal from the Atlantic.

Posted by: Ace at 02:17 PM

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1 Logistics.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 01, 2021 01:17 PM (csEWM)

2 First!!!

Posted by: Jmel at October 01, 2021 01:18 PM (W6/oY)

3 I have been trying since November to try to think of this as a problem in need of solving. I keep coming up against things that I hope people thought of and can be solved.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 01, 2021 01:18 PM (csEWM)

4 We get the house....they can take the credit card debt. Mostly theirs anyway.

Posted by: Mishdog at October 01, 2021 01:18 PM (cqAUI)

5 I actually got a cup of coffee and still....

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'do NOT eat the vaccinated!' at October 01, 2021 01:19 PM (RoIW/)

6
insolubility

_________

Indissolubility I think is the word.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 01, 2021 01:19 PM (OtJ99)

7 There are red areas in blue states and blue areas in red states.

Could get pretty bloody.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at October 01, 2021 01:19 PM (hBjG3)

8 Bring it!

I'll have to move.. but still.. worth it!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 01, 2021 01:19 PM (CjFDo)

9 It will never work

plenty of us live in blue states

you just gonna leaves us out to dry ?

Posted by: REDACTED at October 01, 2021 01:20 PM (us2H3)

10 Do the split by county.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at October 01, 2021 01:20 PM (MH0eD)

11 The Socialists can have the West Coast, Michigan and Illinois, and the Northeast along with Hawaii.

Everything else nope.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2021 01:20 PM (kRV3z)

12 No blah blah blah

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 01, 2021 01:20 PM (vuisn)

13
We get the house....they can take the credit card debt. Mostly theirs anyway.
Posted by: Mishdog

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We get the kids. No visitation rights whatsoever. Oh, and child support.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 01, 2021 01:20 PM (OtJ99)

14 9 It will never work

plenty of us live in blue states

you just gonna leaves us out to dry ?
Posted by: REDACTED at October 01, 2021 01:20 PM (us2H3)

That is one of the myriad of problems. Also, they will never let us go.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 01, 2021 01:20 PM (csEWM)

15 Would never work. Blue states would confiscate property and kick out conservatives. Red states would allow Lefties to stay and they would eventually take over.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 01, 2021 01:21 PM (5HBd1)

16 I want a divorce as long as the Left takes their illegals and SJWs. It would be fun to watch them devour each other until they call out for help. Sorry, pal, you wanted this. Now stay in your own country if you value your life.

Do I sound bitter? I'm getting there.

Posted by: abbynormal at October 01, 2021 01:21 PM (Xpj5t)

17 It's no longer a fringe position.

The numbers will only grow.

Posted by: It's Happening at October 01, 2021 01:21 PM (ha+Xw)

18 Because the CCP wouldn't immediately bring in heavy artillery and bombers into the blue zones.

Posted by: Capital Eff at October 01, 2021 01:21 PM (dynG0)

19 One advantage to living in undesirable "fly-over" country. The locusts mostly ignore us.

Posted by: Greyman27 at October 01, 2021 01:21 PM (RKLPC)

20 Arizona and Texas need to lead a joint invasion of New Mexico. Split it down the Rio Grande and expel all the artists from Taos and Santa Fe. That way, the enlarged states won't turn further blue.

Gotta have a contiguous land route.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at October 01, 2021 01:21 PM (TNyrE)

21 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at October 01, 2021 01:21 PM (Zz0t1)

22 Abstractly, sure. But I'm pretty sure "splitting up the assets" is when most divorce proceedings dial the acrimony up to 11.

That said, I'd be very curious what the outcome of an actual vote on the matter would be.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 01, 2021 01:22 PM (JP4JT)

23 They get nothing. OK. They can have their deep blue hellholes. Because it is wise to have them concentrated in easily identified hives of scum and villainy.

Posted by: flounder at October 01, 2021 01:22 PM (KnJdm)

24 you just gonna leaves us out to dry ?

Posted by: REDACTED at October 01, 2021 01:20 PM (us2H3)

thanks for the reminder!

*hangs up hobo strips outside*

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'do NOT eat the vaccinated!' at October 01, 2021 01:22 PM (RoIW/)

25 Willowed:
That is a silly rule, tiny human person.
Posted by: Saltheart Foamfollower at October 01, 2021 01:18 PM (yh3nf)

Now THAT is a reference. One of the oddities of Donaldson's Land books (among SO very many.) Unique, at least.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 01, 2021 01:22 PM (csEWM)

26 And they shouldn't get entire states. Why should the conservative areas on the West Coast have to go with the Lefties?

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 01, 2021 01:22 PM (5HBd1)

27 the thing is, when the divorce DOES happen, and i'm pretty sure it will, do you think it ends up looking like the Roman Empire - 2 halves, the former USSR - lots of independent states, or Balkans - LOTS of blood shed and a haphazard mess?

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 01, 2021 01:22 PM (8D42x)

28 I'm somewhat surprised these polls would shock anyone.

Posted by: Northernlurkerish at October 01, 2021 01:22 PM (cSyAR)

29 It'd be a messy divorce indeed. Before continuing, let me be clear that I think it might well be a good idea. I would prefer to engender a nullification crisis first, but if we skip that and go right to break-up, I'd support it regardless.

If this happens, the most dangerous thing that we will face is a mass of people, likely a large majority, who think that it is a solution. It isn't. It is a prelude to war. I am of the opinion that war is inevitable at this point, and "national divorce" would allow for clearer and easier drawing of battle lines, resource acquisition and territorial bases. But a break-up will not, by any means, *avoid* war. It will, in all likelihood, precipitate it. Anyone who looks at something like this as "divorce or war" or "divorce to avoid war" is going to be sorely disappointed and probably dead. If we go down this road, war is the outcome.

I suspect that no matter what road we go down, war is the outcome. It's a Morton's Fork at this point.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2021 01:22 PM (+IIqY)

30 If my state secedes, I'm declaring my lot the Free State of Poontang.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at October 01, 2021 01:23 PM (sWM8x)

31 This really will only happen when blue states demand it. Reps just don't have the balls.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 01, 2021 01:23 PM (KbCG3)

32 Love the concept. Where do we draw the lines?

The South is still left with ATL and Memphis.

Texas is stuck with Austin.

Good folks in upstate NY get stuck really bad.

Posted by: Golfman at October 01, 2021 01:23 PM (YPQfb)

33 Do the split by county.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at October 01, 2021 01:20 PM (MH0eD)

2020 precinct results.

Posted by: flounder at October 01, 2021 01:23 PM (KnJdm)

34 Oh goody!

I cannot wait to see Blue Amerikkka implode.

All the layabouts will move to Cali and we will get the hard working entrepreneurs.

Posted by: Czech Chick at October 01, 2021 01:23 PM (haWye)

35 27 the thing is, when the divorce DOES happen, and i'm pretty sure it will, do you think it ends up looking like the Roman Empire - 2 halves, the former USSR - lots of independent states, or Balkans - LOTS of blood shed and a haphazard mess?
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 01, 2021 01:22 PM (8D42x)

No.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 01, 2021 01:23 PM (csEWM)

36 Logistics.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Amateurs talk tactics. Professionals talk logistics.
Let's get started on logistics.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2021 01:24 PM (OCTRt)

37 the thing is, when the divorce DOES happen, and i'm pretty sure it will, do you think it ends up looking like the Roman Empire - 2 halves, the former USSR - lots of independent states, or Balkans - LOTS of blood shed and a haphazard mess?
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 01, 2021 01:22 PM (8D42x)
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A mixture of the former USSR and the Balkans. Lots of smaller states that break off from the larger post-breakup states that are then locked in multidirectional war with numerous alliances and shifting alliances on the frontiers.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2021 01:24 PM (+IIqY)

38 Can't we all just get along
- some dude on pcp fighting cops

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 01, 2021 01:24 PM (r5BVk)

39 It's not neat along state lines. Have you not seen the voting by county maps from 2016? The " blue states" are fill of red voters and vice versa

Posted by: steevy at October 01, 2021 01:24 PM (CYnTg)

40 It's a pretty thing to think about, but the entire reason we're where we are is because one group of people want control over the other. That can't be overcome with an agreement that the same people can no longer control the other.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Remember last year when unvaxxinated workers were heroes? at October 01, 2021 01:24 PM (bm04m)

41 Poontang? So want to move to the Philippines

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2021 01:24 PM (kRV3z)

42 BTW, I think I invented the term "National Divorce." I knew "civil war" didn't sell. And "secession" had too many negative connotations.

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I first heard that term used by commenter ThePrimordialOrderedPair -- who got it from you and turned me on to this place (In addition to AllahPundit linking to you occasionally) -- back when we both commented at HotAir at least as early as 2015.

I think you banned him a few years back ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Unauthorized Freedom Exhibitionist at October 01, 2021 01:24 PM (cQVO5)

43 Also, they will never let us go.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 01, 2021 01:20 PM (csEWM)

this more than anything, i think

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 01, 2021 01:24 PM (8D42x)

44 National Divorce can't work unless there are ideological tests for entry into Red America. Without tests, Blues will move in and take over.

Posted by: For gp, The Action IS The Juice at October 01, 2021 01:24 PM (qpX6U)

45 Amateurs talk tactics. Professionals talk logistics.
Let's get started on logistics.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2021 01:24 PM (OCTRt)

Food.
Communication.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 01, 2021 01:24 PM (csEWM)

46 Well, bye.

Posted by: Texas at October 01, 2021 01:24 PM (16T5E)

47 I'm looking forward to the day when rural Colorado breaks away from Front (al lobe lobotomy) Range insanity.

We'll go be part of Greater Wyoming, with Empress-for-life Noem using some of us for sex slaves.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 01, 2021 01:24 PM (YV6PJ)

48 I do want a national divorce, but I want trial by combat, and I want Greater Texas out of the deal.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 01, 2021 01:25 PM (QU5/8)

49 28 I'm somewhat surprised these polls would shock anyone.

Posted by: Northernlurkerish at October 01, 2021 01:22 PM (cSyAR)

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Agreed. This shouldn't be surprising to anyone that doesn't have their head buried in the sand or their cellphone.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at October 01, 2021 01:25 PM (TNyrE)

50 You would have to partition states like northern Californians are thinking about

Posted by: steevy at October 01, 2021 01:25 PM (CYnTg)

51 It's not neat along state lines. Have you not seen the voting by county maps from 2016? The " blue states" are fill with red voters and vice versa
Posted by: steevy
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Yep.

Like in downstate IL.

Then you have TX with plenty of major blue cities.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at October 01, 2021 01:25 PM (hBjG3)

52 AZ better make sure they go wherever CO goes because of water, CA is f'ed however.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 01, 2021 01:25 PM (r5BVk)

53 Yeah, we have this big divide its all over then we realize that the good places that left the trash blue areas are infested with leftists entrenched in schools, businesses, government, law enforcement, entertainment, etc etc and are still burrowing in like ticks to destroy it all.

And the blue states still have their demented religious zeal to convert the red states and "fix" them, undiminished by some artificial boundaries.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 01, 2021 01:25 PM (KZzsI)

54 "Good folks in upstate NY get stuck really bad."

Tell me about it. Was fortunate to obtain some acres there with a nice but simple historic house (near the ancestral Zek estate) where I go as much as I can nowadays, and had planned to retire.

Posted by: Zek at October 01, 2021 01:25 PM (OzNIz)

55 16 I want a divorce as long as the Left takes their illegals and SJWs. It would be fun to watch them devour each other until they call out for help. Sorry, pal, you wanted this. Now stay in your own country if you value your life.

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We would not be able to build a border wall high enough or strong enough to keep them out, because it would take no time for them to turn their territory into a leftist shit-hole they'd be desperate to escape.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at October 01, 2021 01:25 PM (k4dH2)

56 All empires have a life span, 300-400 years or so.

Posted by: IC at October 01, 2021 01:26 PM (hV9ir)

57 It's a pipe dream. The left will NEVER leave us alone. If we form our own nation, they will find ways to infiltrate it culturally, economically, then finally militarily. It's like expecting the Soviet Union to leave its neighbors alone. NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

Posted by: Brisco County Sr at October 01, 2021 01:26 PM (YynD5)

58 I suspect that no matter what road we go down, war is the outcome. It's a Morton's Fork at this point.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2021 01:22 PM (+IIqY)

Well said Joe. First thing I thought was 'consolidation of forces.' We should start playing 'Risk' on a Map of the US.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'do NOT eat the vaccinated!' at October 01, 2021 01:26 PM (RoIW/)

59 the thing is, when the divorce DOES happen, and i'm pretty sure it will, do you think it ends up looking like the Roman Empire - 2 halves, the former USSR - lots of independent states, or Balkans - LOTS of blood shed and a haphazard mess?
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 01, 2021 01:22 PM (8D42x)

No.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 01, 2021 01:23 PM (csEWM)

i know history doesn't repeat only rhyme, but i would imagine there's some kind of parallel.

or do you think it doesn't happen at all?

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 01, 2021 01:27 PM (8D42x)

60 Well said Joe. First thing I thought was 'consolidation of forces.' We should start playing 'Risk' on a Map of the US.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'do NOT eat the vaccinated!' at October 01, 2021 01:26 PM (RoIW/)

The FBI is probably looking for people who own Risk.

Posted by: Northernlurkerish at October 01, 2021 01:27 PM (cSyAR)

61 I'm somewhat surprised these polls would shock anyone.
Posted by: Northernlurkerish at October 01, 2021 01:22 PM (cSyAR)
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I think it was maybe five years ago, early on in the Trump administration, that I was driving up the highway with my dad and a news item came on about some poll that indicated that some large plurality of Americans thought civil war was coming.

My dad mentioned that it was a big number. I responded that it didn't matter how big the number was. It could be a minority, a plurality, a majority, a supermajority, whatever. It was irrelevant. The real relevance was that the question was even being asked. A healthy society doesn't ask people whether they think civil war is coming, because it doesn't need to because it isn't. If you get to the point where you're seriously asking the question, there is already a serious and likely unsolvable problem.

The same applies here. The specific results don't matter. That the questions are still being seriously asked is the real tell, regardless of the responses.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2021 01:27 PM (+IIqY)

62 In other news

There is a Kickstarter campaign to get The Dirty Pair TV series dubbed.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2021 01:27 PM (kRV3z)

63 Finally!

Posted by: artisanal ette at October 01, 2021 01:28 PM (2o90I)

64 First thing's first, we wall off the major cities and use them as makeshift prisons and really hope the president's plane doesn't crash in of them.

Posted by: Snake Plisken at October 01, 2021 01:28 PM (3sOO0)

65 >>>It's not neat along state lines. Have you not seen the voting by county maps from 2016? The " blue states" are fill of red voters and vice versa
Posted by: steevy at October 01, 2021 01:24 PM (CYnTg)

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As some moron here said before: "There are no blue states. Only blue cities."

Posted by: Now they tell me at October 01, 2021 01:28 PM (EGngb)

66 57 It's a pipe dream. The left will NEVER leave us alone. If we form our own nation, they will find ways to infiltrate it culturally, economically, then finally militarily. It's like expecting the Soviet Union to leave its neighbors alone. NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

Posted by: Brisco County Sr at October 01, 2021 01:26 PM (YynD5)

This. Any divorce results in war, it cannot not. Before or after. They are continually ramping up rhetoric and tactics, any separation would merely accelerate the process.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 01, 2021 01:28 PM (csEWM)

67 the thing is is, natinal divorce is a stupid idea

first there is no way to do it

secnd, what do you think is going to happen if you divide the economic and military power of the U.S. in half?

do you want to be half of what we are now and sitting next door to the new liberal U.S., and our neighbors.

if there were a natinal divorce, who do you think our internatinal allies would be?

news flash, we would not have any.

Posted by: confederatefifth at October 01, 2021 01:28 PM (K3ZCc)

68 Michigan ( where I live) has the most fresh water. Personally I'd say the blue state should only be the lower peninsula, and only part of that! Detroit and Flint and Jackson are all in the lower peninsula.

Posted by: Chillin the most at October 01, 2021 01:28 PM (lonOK)

69 The a big problem with this is that unlike the Great Unpleasantness ~160 years ago, the geographic differences and political differences correspond much, much less. There's pockets of blue all through red areas, and vice versa (to a lesser extent). A divorce would be difficult if not impossible to accomplish without bloodshed. And if we're going to go that route, why bother with the divorce?

Posted by: ARLDN at October 01, 2021 01:28 PM (0EPnp)

70 this is perhaps one of the worst takes this blog can have. ace, you are smarter than this.
all of you are.
spare me the national divorce euphemism. it will be carnage and death unseen since the actual civil war.
add into the mix the foreign entities who will invade. then add in endless migrants streaming into the southern border because the states are fighting each other. add in the firepower of the cartels and the corrupt mexican government to open a southern flank, assisting waves of peasants from central and south america.
no no no.
food shortages. gas shortages. mass starvations. are you people fucking kidding me?
i lived afghanistan already.
we stay here, we work this shit out. there will never be a a peaceful divorce because no one knows how such an entity would be created.

Posted by: Jack Burton, who says this is all very tiring at October 01, 2021 01:28 PM (6bIQL)

71 There are red areas in blue states and blue areas in red states.

Could get pretty bloody.
Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at October 01, 2021 01:19 PM (hBjG3)

People would move, or they'd accept their fate. You can rail against the injustice of it all but either the national divorce will happen or they will crush us. The blues who want the split are just impatient to have their utopia.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 01, 2021 01:28 PM (EjmvJ)

72 i know history doesn't repeat only rhyme, but i would imagine there's some kind of parallel.

or do you think it doesn't happen at all?
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 01, 2021 01:27 PM (8D42x)

I worry that it won't.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 01, 2021 01:29 PM (csEWM)

73 States can start talking about independent behavior, but Step One is still moving out of Uncle Sam's basement.

Wean yourself off the Federal funding teat, the major weapon the Feds use to enforce their will, and then we'll talk.

Posted by: MW at October 01, 2021 01:29 PM (u33s0)

74 It's not neat along state lines. Have you not seen the voting by county maps from 2016? The " blue states" are fill with red voters and vice versa
Posted by: steevy
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Yep.

Like in downstate IL.

Then you have TX with plenty of major blue cities.
Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at October 01, 2021 01:25 PM (hBjG3)

so everything south of Joliet, except e. St. Louis?

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 01, 2021 01:29 PM (8D42x)

75 It will never work

plenty of us live in blue states

you just gonna leaves us out to dry ?
Posted by: REDACTED at October 01, 2021 01:20 PM (us2H3)

You'll either stay and suffer under their rule or leave. That has to happen. Just like the red states will have to purge every liberal.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at October 01, 2021 01:29 PM (EpDzw)

76 Yep.

Like in downstate IL.
Then you have TX with plenty of major blue cities.
Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at October 01, 2021 01:25 PM (hBjG3)
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The challenge is the Clinton Archipelago:
https://is.gd/nQmSPg

Splitting that up is a serious problem.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2021 01:30 PM (+IIqY)

77 The only way politicians, esp democrats survive is dividing and creating vitriol and hate.

They have created this divide. Do it.

Posted by: artisanal ette at October 01, 2021 01:30 PM (2o90I)

78 if there were a natinal divorce, who do you think our internatinal allies would be?

news flash, we would not have any.
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That would depend on how strong we were perceived to be. And realistically, we don't have any allies worth a damn now, except maybe Israel.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at October 01, 2021 01:30 PM (k4dH2)

79 The FBI is probably looking for people who own Risk.

Posted by: Northernlurkerish at October 01, 2021 01:27 PM (cSyAR)

Lol. No shit.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'do NOT eat the vaccinated!' at October 01, 2021 01:30 PM (RoIW/)

80
The Left will NEVER agree. They know that within a year, we would be the most prosperous free society on earth and they would be Zimbabwe on the coasts.

We must be enslaved or exterminated, lest their entire worldview is exploded as myth for all the world to see. And so it goes.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2021 01:30 PM (s2VJv)

81 if there were a natinal divorce, who do you think our internatinal allies would be?

news flash, we would not have any.

Posted by: confederatefifth at October 01, 2021 01:28 PM (K3ZCc)

This is a good point. However, I am not sure how things would fall out. If there is actual civil war in the US, we find out how self sufficient everyone really is.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 01, 2021 01:30 PM (csEWM)

82 79 The FBI is probably looking for people who own Risk.

Posted by: Northernlurkerish at October 01, 2021 01:27 PM (cSyAR)

Lol. No shit.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'do NOT eat the vaccinated!' at October 01, 2021 01:30 PM (RoIW/)

BOMB! Spy...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2021 01:30 PM (s2VJv)

83 It's still insane. Dividing up the debt between regular Americans and the greedy bastard bankers is sufficient to collapse the whole enterprise.

It's going to end in blood because "conservatives" were barely a speed bump to the globalist agenda.

Posted by: trev006 at October 01, 2021 01:30 PM (Eqkqm)

84 Ace, if you didn't see it (heck, you might've been the one that posted it), there was a great cartoon on the main page a couple of days ago. It's on the bottom of the main page as we speak.

A group of people to another smaller group: You don't belong here!!!

Oh, sorry. We'll make our own place.

WHY ARE YOU EXCLUDING US?!!!

(everyone in the tiny box)

Same people as first time: You don't belong here.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Remember last year when unvaxxinated workers were heroes? at October 01, 2021 01:30 PM (bm04m)

85 Divorce won't work. I'll settle for mutual contempt and civil disobedience.

But it will be gunfire or slavery in the end, IMO

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 01, 2021 01:30 PM (V6f9+)

86 82
BOMB! Spy...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2021 01:30 PM (s2VJv)

Wait, that's Stratego. Never mind...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2021 01:31 PM (s2VJv)

87 It's not neat along state lines. Have you not seen the voting by county maps from 2016? The " blue states" are fill with red voters and vice versa
Posted by: steevy

The county map thing is stupid. It's population. If live in a 100K red county in state with 3 million blue voters, sorry.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at October 01, 2021 01:31 PM (EpDzw)

88 Why don't just make the blue shithole live up to their beliefs by not shipping them fuel, electricity and clean water? It won't take long until they eat themselves.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 01, 2021 01:31 PM (xSnmX)

89
The Left gets the kids, the house, the cars, the bank account. You get to keep one set of clothing, and your job, so you can pay the alimony and child support.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 01, 2021 01:31 PM (2iDSr)

90 No to a National Divorce. Yes to allowing blue cities to reinvent themselves as city states and get along as best they can.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at October 01, 2021 01:31 PM (xkdZM)

91 plenty of us live in blue states

you just gonna leaves us out to dry ?
Posted by: REDACTED at October 01, 2021 01:20 PM (us2H3)

I suspect that red areas of blue states near the borders will want to go with the red states. Blue countries will end up very narrow and heavily urban. Yes, some people will have to move, but that's part of the unpleasantness of a divorce. The alternative is killing each other in the streets.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 01, 2021 01:31 PM (jOcSX)

92 We must be enslaved or exterminated, lest their entire worldview is exploded as myth for all the world to see. And so it goes.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2021 01:30 PM (s2VJv)

This. America has to be destroyed because they believe that is the only reason Communism does not work.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 01, 2021 01:31 PM (csEWM)

93 That would depend on how strong we were perceived to be. And realistically, we don't have any allies worth a damn now, except maybe Israel.
Posted by: T

no, we would not have any allies and everybody from china, russia, and everywhere else would be an enemy.

as for israel, israel is interested in what is good for israel.

that is as it should be but it is

Posted by: confederatefifth at October 01, 2021 01:32 PM (K3ZCc)

94 Once again, they would never leave us alone. Any legitimized split just let them invite chicom and un troops in to help them hurt us. Dems are not our countrymen and one way or another they gotta go.

Posted by: JoshO at October 01, 2021 01:32 PM (Z9wz+)

95 There is a Kickstarter campaign to get The Dirty Pair TV series dubbed.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2021 01:27 PM (kRV3z)

finally, some good news in the world...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 01, 2021 01:32 PM (8D42x)

96 BTW, when I asked him for an example of a national divorce, he cited the Velvet Revolution in Czechoslovakia begin in '89 and eventually resulting in a split into two countries -- the Czech Republic and Slovakia -- in '93.

Don't know much about that history though, and certainly a different situation there in the Balkans.

Posted by: ShainS -- Unauthorized Freedom Exhibitionist at October 01, 2021 01:32 PM (cQVO5)

97 Talking to Emma Green was a stupendous error. Though, the way she frames every question perfectly illustrates why a National Divorce is coming. And she opens by asking "are you racist?"!!

Take the question on "woke" anti-CRT. She makes him define what Claremont says it is, rather than she herself defining the target. Not only does he open himself to criticism of his answer, but he will get a vast number of people arguing he doesn't even understand the definition of the target. An experienced litigator would never let her get away with such vaguely defined questions, ,aking him a target.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 01, 2021 01:32 PM (sIv7i)

98 The left will begin to panic if this moves forward and real action is taken.

They are cowards and blowhards and live off of the hardworking people.

When they no longer have OUR dollars, all of those back slapping awards to themselves mean crap.

Posted by: artisanal ette at October 01, 2021 01:32 PM (2o90I)

99 All I want is the land next to my land.

Posted by: Leftists everywhere at October 01, 2021 01:32 PM (aAP3z)

100 It's a pipe dream. The left will NEVER leave us alone. If we form our own nation, they will find ways to infiltrate it culturally, economically, then finally militarily. It's like expecting the Soviet Union to leave its neighbors alone. NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

Posted by: Brisco County Sr at October 01, 2021 01:26 PM (YynD5)

They'd have to move pretty quick. We grow most of the food.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 01, 2021 01:32 PM (EjmvJ)

101 I see this more as wishful thinking. Perhaps its just too hard to juggle all of the details.

Imagine it as a divorce...

We're thinking of how its going to work, the cost / benefit analysis, making a note to call our lawyer etc.

Meanwhile the left is planning to smother us with a pillow in the middle of the night.

Posted by: MJ - hopes fukky isn't played out already at October 01, 2021 01:32 PM (zwDuR)

102 i think I have said enough on this. It is the reality. It is a time for choosing. We don't want it and it is never convenient. The half the Horde that is already in deep red country should take a breath and be thankful. This is not going away and in blue areas they are making it less welcoming to normals every day. If you think they don't know what they are doing, you are mistaken.

Posted by: quint at October 01, 2021 01:32 PM (EadwG)

103 if there were a natinal divorce, who do you think our internatinal allies would be?

news flash, we would not have any.

Posted by: confederatefifth

So what's our option? Riding this bitch into the dirt and THEN fighting it out? Or allowing the left to turn us into The United States of Socialism?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2021 01:32 PM (OCTRt)

104 I think Zimbabwe is the wrong analogy.

More like Gaza and the West Bank. Barren wastelands of failure full of people hating the Jesus freaks in the green and prosperous Free States of America.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2021 01:32 PM (kRV3z)

105 It's coming. Get used to the idea of the union splitting up. I personally think the collapse of the dollar is coming and that will be the trigger.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 01, 2021 01:33 PM (4thlk)

106 >It's a pipe dream. The left will NEVER leave us alone. If we form our own nation, they will find ways to infiltrate it culturally, economically, then finally militarily. It's like expecting the Soviet Union to leave its neighbors alone. NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

Posted by: Brisco County Sr at October 01, 2021 01:26 PM (YynD5)

Ayup. We're at the point where it's "ride or die" and our side is already pretty far down the "die" path. Much like the battered wife, the only way they're letting us leave their clutches is in a body bag. Happy Friday.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at October 01, 2021 01:33 PM (cSs/W)

107 68 Michigan ( where I live) has the most fresh water. Personally I'd say the blue state should only be the lower peninsula, and only part of that! Detroit and Flint and Jackson are all in the lower peninsula.

Posted by: Chillin the most at October 01, 2021 01:28 PM (lonOK)

----------------
Unsalted and shark free. Definitely something to retain and not give to the lefties by default.

I have a lot of family that live update and the UP. Definitely not lefty leaning, at least overall.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at October 01, 2021 01:33 PM (TNyrE)

108 BOMB! Spy...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2021 01:30 PM (s2VJv)

Isn't that Stratego?

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 01, 2021 01:34 PM (igSoX)

109 104 I think Zimbabwe is the wrong analogy.

More like Gaza and the West Bank. Barren wastelands of failure full of people hating the Jesus freaks in the green and prosperous Free States of America.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2021 01:32 PM (kRV3z)

True. But you got my drift.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2021 01:34 PM (s2VJv)

110 just because "it won't work!" doesn't mean it won't happen. Ever pay attention to real divorce cases? (I know you have) In most of them, both sides know they're gonna wreck their lives and lose almost everything they own in the process, but they're so pissed off that they say "fuck it, whatever" and do it anyways.

I remember there was an infamous widely read book published in 1912 or so that argued that a Major War could never happen again because all the European economies were so intertwined.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2021 01:34 PM (trdmm)

111 This is a good point. However, I am not sure how things would fall out. If there is actual civil war in the US, we find out how self sufficient everyone really is.
Posted by: Aetius451

we would have the same enemies we have now and our allies would become our enemies. do you see somebody in nato siding with us?

Posted by: confederatefifth at October 01, 2021 01:34 PM (K3ZCc)

112 It would be interesting to see all the movement though, like when Paki and India traded Hindus for Muzzies.

But if something like that would ever happen, be prepared for both or 3 or 4 countries to have economic devastation. I mean e.g. McDonald's as one company would have to constrict radically.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 01, 2021 01:34 PM (r5BVk)

113 108 BOMB! Spy...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2021 01:30 PM (s2VJv)

Isn't that Stratego?
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 01, 2021 01:34 PM (igSoX)

See my comment four down from that.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2021 01:34 PM (s2VJv)

114
There will be no national divorce. That would require coexistence. The Left doesn't do coexistence.

Also, if the nation gets that weak and divided, some other country will come in and take over. That may already be happening.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 01, 2021 01:34 PM (2iDSr)

115 The divide isn't state by state this time. Its urban vs rural.

And the urbanites want to herd us all into the cities, into our 200 sf cubes, onto public transit, eating soy, watching Netflix.

They hate us. They hate the suburbs. They hate farms. They hate fucking cars even.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 01, 2021 01:34 PM (V6f9+)

116 The FBI is probably looking for people who own Risk.

Posted by: Northernlurkerish at October 01, 2021 01:27 PM (cSyAR)

Lol. No shit.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'do NOT eat the vaccinated!' at October 01, 2021 01:30 PM (RoIW/)

I have both Risk & Axis & Allies...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 01, 2021 01:34 PM (8D42x)

117 And here's the thing, for those of you in the "it'll never work" crowd. Either you ALREADY KNOW you are not the type who tends to be on the front line of change, or you're kidding yourselves.

I know myself well enough to know I can't predict jack, but I'm also smart enough to not get against something like this, which makes so much damned sense it's idiotic not to split this stupid country, not just in half, but maybe a dozen or more countries.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 01, 2021 01:35 PM (YV6PJ)

118 The civil war started years ago. It heated up in 2020 and has cooled a bit but will be even worse in 2024. The left will create controversy greater than last year in order to distract from additional cheating. For them, though, it will only make things worse. Fighting will be bad.

Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at October 01, 2021 01:35 PM (P7Iz+)

119 "The challenge is the Clinton Archipelago:
https://is.gd/nQmSPg

Splitting that up is a serious problem."

Nonsense, machetes are cheap as hell

Posted by: JoshO at October 01, 2021 01:35 PM (Z9wz+)

120 I'd support this just to see what happens to a pure blue state when left to their own devices. That would be a constant source of entertainment.

Posted by: Orson at October 01, 2021 01:35 PM (dq61g)

121
Meanwhile, 56% of Biden voters at least somewhat agreed with the statement 'There's no real difference between Republicans and Fascists'

***

56% of Biden voters probably move their lips when they read.

I have zero interest in sharing a country with people sporting mental illness hair who consider the Bill of Rights to be fascism.

Posted by: Azathoth at October 01, 2021 01:35 PM (PzEuz)

122 Its all or nothing, win or lose here, there's no "we can split up amicably or otherwise" available. The left is after absolute, global control and the right wants to be left alone. There's no possibility those can compromise or find a solution together.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 01, 2021 01:35 PM (KZzsI)

123 Remember Quebec had been screaming about it for years, but when it came down to voting, more than once on separating it never passed. You know why? Cowards. The money they receive from the Federal government that flows to them from Alberta's oil and so forth. Yes, Quebec has a river for hydro power, and they do do some things independently, but they rely heavily on money from others in Canada.

This is exactly California's problem. They would be too scared.

Posted by: artisanal ette at October 01, 2021 01:35 PM (2o90I)

124 then add in endless migrants streaming into the southern border because the states are fighting each other. add in the firepower of the cartels and the corrupt mexican government to open a southern flank, assisting waves of peasants from central and south america.
____________

We already HAVE endless migrants flooding our southern border, and it's not because the states are fighting. It's because the damn Biden junta basically laid out the welcome mat for them.

Mayorkas is now predicting the 200,000 a month hordes we're currently getting will double to 400,000 a month because the Trump covid restrictions are ending. That's nearly 5 million illegals a year -- by the official count, so the real number is probably 3 times that, at least.

This is ludicrously unsustainable. As is the all-you-can-spend fiscal profligacy of congress. It has to stop, one way or another, and they are putting us in the position of stopping it the hard way.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at October 01, 2021 01:35 PM (k4dH2)

125 Not that I really care, but any US split-up means China takes at least Taiwan and I wouldn't really like my chances as a South Korean or as a person anywhere in Indochina or a couple hundred miles from any China land border. But C'est la Guerre.

Posted by: Match Checksout at October 01, 2021 01:35 PM (dYe5S)

126 There are too many issues that are irreconcilable like abortion, 2nd Amendment, libertine drug laws, ,sexual deviancy, pedophilia, etc.

It's either separate or everyone has their own personnel Benedict Option.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 01, 2021 01:35 PM (2y4WM)

127 there were a natinal divorce, who do you think our internatinal allies would be?

news flash, we would not have any.

Posted by: confederatefifth at October 01, 2021 01:28 PM (K3ZCc)
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After the Afghan debacle, I'm not sure the US has any real allies left.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at October 01, 2021 01:35 PM (xkdZM)

128 i will repeat myself.

this talk of a national divorce, civil war or whatever is a psyop against conservatives. do not fall for it.
they plant the seed and it takes root and people begin to think, yeah, we can do it.
no.

Posted by: Jack Burton, who says this is all very tiring at October 01, 2021 01:35 PM (6bIQL)

129 111
we would have the same enemies we have now and our allies would become our enemies. do you see somebody in nato siding with us?
Posted by: confederatefifth at October 01, 2021 01:34 PM (K3ZCc)

Not sure if they are in NATO but Poland, Hungary, Czechs, Slovakia and the Balkan states would side with us, I would think.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2021 01:35 PM (s2VJv)

130 105 It's coming. Get used to the idea of the union splitting up. I personally think the collapse of the dollar is coming and that will be the trigger.
-----------------
Buy Moar BitCoin.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 01, 2021 01:35 PM (xSnmX)

131 Once again, they would never leave us alone. Any legitimized split just let them invite chicom and un troops in to help them hurt us. Dems are not our countrymen and one way or another they gotta go.
Posted by: JoshO

Then we kill them where we find them. We would still have more than 50 million men under arms. 25 times the number of soldiers in red china.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2021 01:35 PM (OCTRt)

132 So what's our option? Riding this bitch into the dirt and THEN fighting it out? Or allowing the left to turn us into The United States of Socialism?

Posted by: r

my thought would be to quit masturbating to stupid ideas, quit bitching about some trannies, fags, and crt, and start figuring out how to win.

Posted by: confederatefifth at October 01, 2021 01:36 PM (K3ZCc)

133 I have both Risk & Axis & Allies...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 01, 2021 01:34 PM (8D42x)

We know.

Posted by: FBI at October 01, 2021 01:36 PM (RoIW/)

134 If there is actual civil war in the US, we find out how self sufficient everyone really is.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 01, 2021 01:30 PM (csEWM)

Won't matter. We'll be speaking Chinese.

Posted by: Golfman at October 01, 2021 01:36 PM (YPQfb)

135 129 Not sure if they are in NATO but Poland, Hungary, Czechs, Slovakia and the Balkan states would side with us, I would think.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2021 01:35 PM (s2VJv)

Meant Baltic states, but the Balkans too. Or as Moriarity would say "Ball-CANS country!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2021 01:36 PM (s2VJv)

136 See my comment four down from that.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2021 01:34 PM (s2VJv)

Saw it after I posted! I had to go DDG to make sure of the name.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 01, 2021 01:36 PM (igSoX)

137 The divide isn't state by state this time. Its urban vs rural.

And the urbanites want to herd us all into the cities, into our 200 sf cubes, onto public transit, eating soy, watching Netflix.

They hate us. They hate the suburbs. They hate farms. They hate fucking cars even.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 01, 2021 01:34 PM (V6f9+)

right, working with districts within states and merging them... pulling districts away from the states.

Posted by: artisanal ette at October 01, 2021 01:36 PM (2o90I)

138 BTW, when I asked him for an example of a national divorce, he cited the Velvet Revolution in Czechoslovakia begin in '89 and eventually resulting in a split into two countries -- the Czech Republic and Slovakia -- in '93.

Don't know much about that history though, and certainly a different situation there in the Balkans.
Posted by: ShainS -- Unauthorized Freedom Exhibitionist at October 01, 2021 01:32 PM (cQVO5)

The two groups were already in fairly homogenous and contiguous areas. They kicked out the ethnic Germans after WWII. So, it was an easy split.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at October 01, 2021 01:36 PM (EpDzw)

139 if there were a natinal divorce, who do you think our internatinal allies would be?

news flash, we would not have any.

Posted by: confederatefifth at October 01, 2021 01:28 PM (K3ZCc)

You'd be very surprised. France is facing major crises that will eventually result in a National Front government or a military dictatorship. Australia might have something similar by 2022. China and Russia don't particularly love MAGA, but they definitely wouldn't mind weakening the baizou. And so on.

Posted by: trev006 at October 01, 2021 01:37 PM (Eqkqm)

140 People who believe in the 10th amendment are fascists!!!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - what if Marek's was the experiment? at October 01, 2021 01:37 PM (3DjGn)

141
BOMB! Spy...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2021 01:30 PM (s2VJv)

You asked for it.

https://youtu.be/pJwJS4QEEas

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at October 01, 2021 01:37 PM (Zz0t1)

142 I have both Risk & Axis & Allies...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 01, 2021 01:34 PM (8D42x)

We know.
Posted by: FBI at October 01, 2021 01:36 PM (RoIW/)

I now have the sneaking suspicion that the FBI is selling board games.

Posted by: Flyguy at October 01, 2021 01:37 PM (3sOO0)

143 Here's how to set up the National Divorce.

Have a snake draft like in fantasy football with all 435 congressional districts plus DC and the territories. So say Team Red wins the coin toss, picks first and takes California 7th. Then Team Blue takes NY 4th and California 11th, then Team Red takes two, etc. until they're all drafted. I'm just making up those district numbers. Then at the end there can be some wheeling and dealing to see if you can make some geographical sense out of it.

The funniest thing would be how Team Blue cities like Detroit and St. Louis fall to the bottom of the draft. Team Blue wouldn't even want them. They'd be drafting Salt Lake City before them.

I would draft San Diego harbor district #1.

Posted by: KT at October 01, 2021 01:37 PM (afutX)

144 Who cares if we have international allies?

That matters only of you conceive of us as a global hegemon who must have international alliances.

The truth is that a lot of people can't conceive of a national divorce because they cannot imagine not being the globe's lone superpower. That's fine. People can prefer that. But they should stop being conservatives, because no global superpower is ever going to have a small federal government run on limited government principles. Those folks are really National Greatness Conservatives, like David Frum, which is to say, not conservative in any meaningful way whatsoever.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 01, 2021 01:38 PM (QU5/8)

145 Thing is, we are not what they think we are (racist, etc), but they are exactly what we think they are. (tyrannical commie twats, etc.)

Posted by: irright at October 01, 2021 01:38 PM (SchQD)

146 Buy Moar BitCoin.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 01, 2021 01:35 PM (xSnmX)

That works.

Till they shut down the internet.

Posted by: Golfman at October 01, 2021 01:38 PM (YPQfb)

147 The source for the claim that most want a national divorce (click the link to see it) looks opaque; they don't show their work.

But that doesn't mean it's not true.

We all know it can never happen in any of our lifetimes, though, or our kids' lifetimes. Because military; C-in-C, etc.

I believe the folks claiming to support this are just venting. We're an old, rich polity-- our street fighting'/Fort Sumter days are long gone.

Posted by: mnw at October 01, 2021 01:38 PM (Cssks)

148 It's not neat along state lines. Have you not seen the voting by county maps from 2016? The " blue states" are fill of red voters and vice versa
Posted by: steevy at October 01, 2021 01:24 PM (CYnTg

I suspect there are more red counties than the map shows because of the cheating the dems do.

Posted by: Beartooth at October 01, 2021 01:38 PM (68WvR)

149

There's no divorce, just elimination of old whites.

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at October 01, 2021 01:38 PM (4WPW/)

150 I now have the sneaking suspicion that the FBI is selling board games.

Posted by: Flyguy at October 01, 2021 01:37 PM (3sOO0)

Don't buy them online.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'here a variant there a variant, everywhere as variant!' at October 01, 2021 01:38 PM (RoIW/)

151 118 The civil war started years ago. It heated up in 2020 and has cooled a bit but will be even worse in 2024. The left will create controversy greater than last year in order to distract from additional cheating. For them, though, it will only make things worse. Fighting will be bad.
Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at October 01, 2021 01:35 PM (P7Iz+)

Something will happen - or more accurately, be made to happen - that will be pretext to suspend elections and essentially declare martial law. That would be the official overt end of America that really happened between last November 3 and January 6.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2021 01:38 PM (s2VJv)

152 Buy Moar BitCoin.

*

How does that work when the power is down and the internet has been shut off?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - what if Marek's was the experiment? at October 01, 2021 01:39 PM (3DjGn)

153 We can no longer tolerate Poontangs' encroachment on our lands!

Posted by: islamic republic of dearborn-crackistan at October 01, 2021 01:39 PM (UHVv4)

154 Well I am going to toddle off, got a Dremel tool and some resin R-1820-97s to detail up for the 1/48 HK Models B-17F.

Kids wear protective gear when doing this unless you like to eat and breathe resin dust.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2021 01:39 PM (kRV3z)

155 Sci-fi man cave.

https://youtu.be/4pf_9uy0B9k

Posted by: bonhomme at October 01, 2021 01:39 PM (YYlyE)

156 67 the thing is is, natinal divorce is a stupid idea

first there is no way to do it."

I agree, it's a stupid idea that won't work. but the reason we talk about it is that the only alternative is a vicious, bloody, civil war where 1/3 of the country tries to another 1/3, and the remaining 1/3 just sits on their hands and watches. None of us want to admit that this is the most likely outcome. Who wins? Just like always, whoever gets the most serious about the most killing first.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2021 01:39 PM (trdmm)

157 Not sure if they are in NATO but Poland, Hungary, Czechs, Slovakia and the Balkan states would side with us, I would think.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2021 01:35 PM (s2VJv)

Meant Baltic states, but the Balkans too. Or as Moriarity would say "Ball-CANS country!"
Posted by: J.J.

no. fucking. way. none of those are allying with us against the us of antifa

they would have to worry about the russians and the euros.

Posted by: confederatefifth at October 01, 2021 01:39 PM (K3ZCc)

158 there were a natinal divorce, who do you think our internatinal allies would be?

news flash, we would not have any.
Posted by: confederatefifth at October 01, 2021 01:28 PM (K3ZCc)
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No, we probably wouldn't. That said, I also think other countries wouldn't get involved, at least not right away. If this country enters a civil war - whatever the cause, whatever the parties, whatever the regions - the war will end due to external involvement. As it starts to shake out and the number of parties is reduced and things start to stabilize somewhat, that is when a foreign power will intervene and pick a winner.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2021 01:39 PM (+IIqY)

159 145 Thing is, we are not what they think we are (racist, etc), but they are exactly what we think they are. (tyrannical commie twats, etc.)
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You forgot profound racists.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 01, 2021 01:39 PM (xSnmX)

160 Like a abusive spouse the Marxists will hound you all the way to Hell

Posted by: Skip at October 01, 2021 01:40 PM (2JoB8)

161 we would have the same enemies we have now and our allies would become our enemies. do you see somebody in nato siding with us?
Posted by: confederatefifth at October 01, 2021 01:34 PM (K3ZCc)

Which would differ from now in what way? I guess we could stop paying for nato's defense.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 01, 2021 01:40 PM (EjmvJ)

162 (10cc)
You think you're gonna break up
Then she says she wants to make up

Posted by: m at October 01, 2021 01:40 PM (6dJKT)

163 Something will happen - or more accurately, be made to happen - that will be pretext to suspend elections and essentially declare martial law. That would be the official overt end of America that really happened between last November 3 and January 6.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2021 01:38 PM (s2VJv)

I'd say that was an even money bet right now.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2021 01:40 PM (trdmm)

164 They hate fucking cars even.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 01, 2021 01:34 PM (V6f9+)

To be honest the exhaust pipes can cause some nasty burns, or is that too much information?

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at October 01, 2021 01:40 PM (mVMcL)

165 "my thought would be to quit masturbating to stupid ideas, quit bitching about some trannies, fags, and crt, and start figuring out how to win."

Win what?

Posted by: lowandslow at October 01, 2021 01:40 PM (4thlk)

166 I agree, it's a stupid idea that won't work. but the reason we talk about it is that the only alternative is a vicious, bloody, civil war where 1/3 of the country tries to another 1/3, and the remaining 1/3 just sits on their hands and watches. None of us want to admit that this is the most likely outcome. Who wins? Just like always, whoever gets the most serious about the most killing first.
Posted by: Tom Ser

it is nonsense to talk about it

Posted by: confederatefifth at October 01, 2021 01:40 PM (K3ZCc)

167 154 Well I am going to toddle off, got a Dremel tool and some resin R-1820-97s to detail up for the 1/48 HK Models B-17F.

Kids wear protective gear when doing this unless you like to eat and breathe resin dust.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2021 01:39 PM (kRV3z)

Hobby time!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2021 01:41 PM (s2VJv)

168 National divorce.

It's like the passengers of Flight 93 thinking they could just walk off the plane.

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 01, 2021 01:41 PM (ZHVt1)

169 If there's a civil war in the US, the rest of the world will be too busy to back one side or the other. A whole lot of small fires are kept that way by American hegemony. Once that's gone, expect Europe, Asia, and the ME to go tits up.

If they do get involved, expect it to be on both sides. In that case the US could end up like the Holy Roman Empire during the Thirty Years War.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 01, 2021 01:41 PM (jOcSX)

170 There's no divorce, just elimination of old whites.

there's the real plan. the whole idea of "limited govt and inherent rights of man" goes out the window once whites are a small minority

Posted by: brak at October 01, 2021 01:41 PM (I4hmj)

171 if there were a natinal divorce, who do you think our internatinal allies would be?

Do we have any international allies now? IIRC only Commonwealth nations sent combat troops to the WoT - and those Commonwealth countries are all currently National Socialist in nature.

If the Chinese attacked Taiwan tomorrow and the US rallied to its defense what countries would join us?

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 01:41 PM (DpkTQ)

172 To be far, the divide should be by county, not state

It wouldn't be fair to abandon our brothers in the rural areas of blue states. That and take a look at the county Presedential voting maps again...

Posted by: Casita de Mordor at October 01, 2021 01:41 PM (MbBW2)

173 Win what?

everything

Posted by: confederatefifth at October 01, 2021 01:41 PM (K3ZCc)

174
Something will happen - or more accurately, be made to happen - that will be pretext to suspend elections and essentially declare martial law. That would be the official overt end of America that really happened between last November 3 and January 6.

***

"declare martial law"

Which will be met with a huge wave of laughter from all over the country.

Posted by: Azathoth at October 01, 2021 01:41 PM (PzEuz)

175 I have both Risk & Axis & Allies...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 01, 2021 01:34 PM (8D42x)

We know.
Posted by: FBI at October 01, 2021 01:36 PM (RoIW/)

would you like to play a game of chess?

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 01, 2021 01:41 PM (8D42x)

176 (Al Green)
Why, somebody, why people break-up
Oh, turn around and make-up?

Posted by: m at October 01, 2021 01:42 PM (6dJKT)

177 Over 75% of voters on both sides agree that strong supporters of the opposite party present a 'clear and present danger' to American life

It's just a poll but if it's semi-legit and the results account for a significant margin for error, we are dangerously and irreconcilably divided. But we knew that.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 01, 2021 01:42 PM (Xrfse)

178 I'm only going to agree to it if we get some things confirmed at the beginning. Our new country will have an immigration moratorium for 50 years. Afterwards, immigration, foreign workers, etc. can only be a total of 50K per year. Every five years is a popular vote for another moratorium. There will be no EEO type crap ever. There will be no participation in multinational trade deals and all deals must term out after 10 years. ETC.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at October 01, 2021 01:42 PM (EpDzw)

179
Concordat with the Holy See. We get final approval on all bishops.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 01, 2021 01:42 PM (OtJ99)

180 163 Something will happen - or more accurately, be made to happen - that will be pretext to suspend elections and essentially declare martial law. That would be the official overt end of America that really happened between last November 3 and January 6.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2021 01:38 PM (s2VJv)

I'd say that was an even money bet right now.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2021 01:40 PM (trdmm)

Seriously. Look at the words and deeds of Malig-Nancy and Vanilli Milley. They are still talking and plotting behind the scenes right now.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2021 01:42 PM (s2VJv)

181 Make divorce wonderful again.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at October 01, 2021 01:42 PM (iWKOD)

182 It's very disappointing to see that half the country doesn't get why we have so many different states. There should be states that suit pretty much anyone's preferences.

And they don't get that the federal government was supposed to be constrained so that it can't interfere with what individual states and their citizens want.

Posted by: Just Lily at October 01, 2021 01:42 PM (vivhj)

183 Something will happen - or more accurately, be made to happen - that will be pretext to suspend elections and essentially declare martial law. That would be the official overt end of America that really happened between last November 3 and January 6.

the Omega variant! mask up and stay home!

Posted by: brak at October 01, 2021 01:42 PM (I4hmj)

184 How could the blue states be forced to take the parasites--SJWs and trannies?

Posted by: Northernlurkerish at October 01, 2021 01:42 PM (cSyAR)

185 As it starts to shake out and the number of parties is reduced and things start to stabilize somewhat, that is when a foreign power will intervene and pick a winner.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2021 01:39 PM (+IIqY)

what foreign "power"? China? as far as the Nato countries go, they are so weak that any ragtag East Texas volunteer militia could outgun and outfight any of them. They are all paper tigers,

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2021 01:42 PM (trdmm)

186 I have both Risk & Axis & Allies...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 01, 2021 01:34 PM (8D42x)

We know.
Posted by: FBI at October 01, 2021 01:36 PM (RoIW/)

would you like to play a game of chess?
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 01, 2021 01:41 PM (8D42x)

Later. Let's play global thermonuclear war.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at October 01, 2021 01:42 PM (EpDzw)

187 Buy Moar BitCoin.

*

How does that work when the power is down and the internet has been shut off?
Posted by: Moron Robbie

It doesn't. Old piple sayins: one in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Cash and carry beats "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today".

Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2021 01:43 PM (OCTRt)

188 You think you're gonna break up
Then she says she wants to make up

Posted by: m at October 01, 2021 01:40 PM (6dJKT)

...damn its on the tip of my tongue!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'here a variant there a variant, everywhere as variant!' at October 01, 2021 01:43 PM (RoIW/)

189 I feel like the Left would want to emulate Angela Davis in "Waiting to Exhale" where she puts all of her husbands clotes and other stuff in his fancy car and then lights it on fire. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2021 01:43 PM (bDqIh)

190 It's a political problem only solved through the political process. Therefore, it will never happen. No politician currently serving in office is going to see their power diluted by a national divorce. And, BTW, they're the ones that would have to vote on it.

No, it's going to take wholesale violence that engulfs the entire country before any sort of divorce or separation occurs. And that will likely be in spite of what the politicians want.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 01, 2021 01:43 PM (BFigT)

191 Something will happen - or more accurately, be made to happen - that will be pretext to suspend elections and essentially declare martial law. That would be the official overt end of America that really happened between last November 3 and January 6.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 01, 2021 01:38 PM (s2VJv)
++++
Martial law is a possibility, though not nation-wide. No way to manage it even if they want to. They'll try to limit it to enemy territories. But as for suspending elections, why bother? Elections are still a useful fiction for the time being, so why go there?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2021 01:43 PM (+IIqY)

192 Personally, I don't think a national divorce could ever happen, we would all better off if we could do that amicably, but my best guess is a slow decent into Venezuela. Trannies and women's studies majors will only wish they could sit around and bitch at that point. No one will give a rat's behind.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 01, 2021 01:43 PM (r5BVk)

193 There is simply no fucking way that this is going to happen and talking as if it will is a waste of time.

This is not the the Balkans or the North and the South, distinct populations already separated by geography and culture. "Blue" states are high-population urban islands surrounded by "Red" rural areas. The logistics of a divide based on "red state/blue state" coalitions even on that basis, ignoring the billion other ways that the states are intertwined, would make it impossible.

It's just such a silly, unrealistic idea that will never work, and the Right needs to stop living in fantasy land. Articles like that are dumb clickbait and people responding to those surveys are obviously doing so based on emotion.

More likely, the federal government--bloated, corrupt, bankrupt and devoid of any real authority over its fractured and disillusioned people--will eventually lose the ability to enforce its policies when the money runs out post economic collapse and governing will refocus to the state and local levels, with plenty of regional strife to go along with it.

Posted by: BunnyFooFoo at October 01, 2021 01:43 PM (0Uf+z)

194 9 It will never work

plenty of us live in blue states

you just gonna leaves us out to dry ?
Posted by: REDACTED at October 01, 2021 01:20 PM (us2H3)

sell. move. this is still a free country.

Posted by: Eric Schmidt at October 01, 2021 01:44 PM (ulaXh)

195 The poll should have asked respondents to define fascism and socialism. I suspect the responses on the former would have been entertaining. Sadly, that sort of thing doesn't work well with the multiple choice format typically used by polls

The other bit worth noting about the fascism/socialism thing is that some Democrats - including a guy who ran in the last two Democratic presidential primaries - routinely describe themselves as socialists. No one describes themselves as a fascist.

Posted by: junior at October 01, 2021 01:44 PM (TUHl2)

196 The spirit of Dixie is rising taking all of Flyover country with it. Rebel yell emoji!

Oh, I'm a Good Ol' Rebel
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3uRZYNcYR-w

Official thread song and mood.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 01, 2021 01:44 PM (Pz1gB)

197 I have both Risk & Axis & Allies...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 01, 2021 01:34 PM (8D42x)

What are other similar board games that can be fun with children?

Posted by: flounder at October 01, 2021 01:44 PM (KnJdm)

198 The biggest oil producing states are all red.. mostly in the South.

Even if just Texas alone seceded, the Northwest states would be fucked.

The Gulf of Mexico is key here.

Think about it. Enforced immigration laws.. no more nanny state..

It would be a friggin' paradise.

As long as Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky and Tennessee
came along, we'd have more than enough agriculture.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 01, 2021 01:44 PM (CjFDo)

199 Over 75% of voters on both sides agree that strong supporters of the opposite party present a 'clear and present danger' to American life

The greatest danger to my life and freedoms isn't Putin, isn't the Taliban, isn't even Red China. It is the Biden junta.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 01:44 PM (DpkTQ)

200 Which would differ from now in what way? I guess we could stop paying for nato's defense.
Posted by: I

there is a big difference between having stupid allies and having nato allied with the new us of antifa

those that we have now, allies, and our enemies would much rather not have to worry about some freedom loving free speech country.

Posted by: confederatefifth at October 01, 2021 01:44 PM (K3ZCc)

201 what foreign "power"? China? as far as the Nato countries go, they are so weak that any ragtag East Texas volunteer militia could outgun and outfight any of them. They are all paper tigers,
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2021 01:42 PM (trdmm)

If things went kinetic here, China would play initially behind the scenes. But then things will get kinetic in their backyard as Japan, India, and SK decide to tango.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at October 01, 2021 01:44 PM (EpDzw)

202 There will be no two-state solution on this soil.

They would never allow it. Neither should we.

Posted by: Brother Tim has nothing much to say, lately at October 01, 2021 01:44 PM (OUMaO)

203 what foreign "power"? China? as far as the Nato countries go, they are so weak that any ragtag East Texas volunteer militia could outgun and outfight any of them. They are all paper tigers,
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2021 01:42 PM (trdmm)
++++
I don't know, but likely one that doesn't exist right now. American hegemony keeps a lot of flames dampened and contained. If we go tits-up, so does a lot of the rest of the world.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2021 01:45 PM (+IIqY)

204 so...how does this occur then?

who organizes these new states? how do they defend themselves? where does the federal military equipment go? how do they stop an airborne chinese assault via fixed, rotary or parachute infiltration? what do you do when the remains of the federal government requests nato or a foreign power to smack texas or one of these new coalition countries?
how do you stop the new foreign power who has a foothold in california from power projecting into idaho? what, idaho defends against the chinese and other states simultaneously? who is growing the food and making sure the utilities continue if every able bodied man and woman are fighting? what happens when your side runs out of bullets because all the factories are in the midwest?

there was a reason the founders said united we stand.
that's just the initial questions and thoughts i have should this go kinetic.

Posted by: Jack Burton, who says this is all very tiring at October 01, 2021 01:45 PM (6bIQL)

205 "We hate you Trump voters because you have the same overall political beliefs that our grandparents and great-grandparents did" is a weird call to civil war but have at it, progs.

Posted by: Azathoth at October 01, 2021 01:45 PM (PzEuz)

206 I feel like the Left would want to emulate Angela Davis in "Waiting to Exhale" where she puts all of her husbands clotes and other stuff in his fancy car and then lights it on fire. . .
Posted by: Lizzy
___

Angela Bassett.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at October 01, 2021 01:45 PM (hBjG3)

207 Ace, thank you for admitting it will be war. My only hope is with all the blue cities in a hopeless logistical nightmare it will be much shorter than version 1.0. Only months and maybe just weeks.

Posted by: Mark in Sandy UT at October 01, 2021 01:45 PM (DTI8p)

208 Which would differ from now in what way? I guess we could stop paying for nato's defense.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 01, 2021 01:40 PM (EjmvJ)

Plus absolutely zero NATO countries would ever operate on American soil unless expressly invited. The vast majority of them have zero ability to take territory, much less do so on the other side of the world against a hostile population with real arms.

They might help peacekeep in urban centers... but honestly, an American collapse would doubtless require every soldier to go back to their own lands. Except American enlisted, who I suspect globalists will happily abandon abroad if possible. Force them to find their own way back.

Posted by: trev006 at October 01, 2021 01:45 PM (Eqkqm)

209 And they don't get that the federal government was supposed to be constrained so that it can't interfere with what individual states and their citizens want.

Posted by: Just Lily at October 01, 2021 01:42 PM (vivhj

Now do Wyoming.

Posted by: Liz Cheney at October 01, 2021 01:45 PM (YPQfb)

210 No matter how it shakes out....most governments are embarrassed by any American success and EFFICIENCIES.

Yeah baby...I've got funds....let's go out.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at October 01, 2021 01:46 PM (iWKOD)

211 We should start playing 'Risk' on a Map of the US.
-----------------------------------
New Jersey is weak!

Posted by: cosmo kramer at October 01, 2021 01:46 PM (UHVv4)

212 More likely, the federal government--bloated, corrupt, bankrupt and devoid of any real authority over its fractured and disillusioned people--will eventually lose the ability to enforce its policies when the money runs out post economic collapse and governing will refocus to the state and local levels, with plenty of regional strife to go along with it.
Posted by: BunnyFooFoo at October 01, 2021 01:43 PM (0Uf+z)
++++
Breakup vs. divorce, in that case. I think that is the likeliest outcome, actually, absent a nullification crisis that pushes the issue.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2021 01:46 PM (+IIqY)

213 Later. Let's play global thermonuclear war.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at October 01, 2021 01:42 PM (EpDzw)

You can. Defcon on Steam.

https://tinyurl.com/4zfmt8xt

Posted by: flounder at October 01, 2021 01:46 PM (KnJdm)

214 Something will happen - or more accurately, be made to happen - that will be pretext to suspend elections and essentially declare martial law. That would be the official overt end of America that really happened between last November 3 and January 6.
Posted by: J

because they have shown how smart they are?

not going to happen

Posted by: confederatefifth at October 01, 2021 01:46 PM (K3ZCc)

215 4 mil l ion people voted for Trump in Cal. 3 million in NY. Similar counts exist in many blue states and contrary results exist in red states. Your national divorce in no way addresses that reality. This is not America circa 1860.

Posted by: Xknight at October 01, 2021 01:46 PM (7TVai)

216 Fascism comes from an argument among socialists as to whether you can support your own country in WWI or not. Yet we pretend that socialism and fascism are opposites because of Soviet propaganda after Operation Barbarossa.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 01:46 PM (DpkTQ)

217 Imagine if National Divorce was a beautiful woman wars would be fought over her over her beauty and femininity. No Fap streaks broken. Homos turning straight. Cows flying South for the Winter.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 01, 2021 01:47 PM (Pz1gB)

218 If a shooting starts the MSM should not be tolerated as independent.

Posted by: Northernlurkerish at October 01, 2021 01:47 PM (cSyAR)

219 We have said for a long time, they do not want to control the USA, they want to destroy the USA. Signing on for a national divorce, not sure. Is that not a big step toward destroying the USA?

Posted by: MikeM at October 01, 2021 01:47 PM (M/Wbj)

220 Attack by an outside force would go some distance in uniting us. Though what distance.

Posted by: m at October 01, 2021 01:47 PM (6dJKT)

221 206 I feel like the Left would want to emulate Angela Davis in "Waiting to Exhale" where she puts all of her husbands clotes and other stuff in his fancy car and then lights it on fire. . .
Posted by: Lizzy
___

Angela Bassett.
--------
Wish it was Angel Davis. That fro would go up like a Bic lighter.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 01, 2021 01:47 PM (xSnmX)

222
I have both Risk & Axis & Allies...
Posted by: SturmToddler
..

We were playing Risk Lord of the Rings Edition at work before COVID!

It was a fun faster version..

But, yeah.. a red state/blue state Risk would be fun too!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 01, 2021 01:47 PM (CjFDo)

223 "Then we kill them where we find them. We would still have more than 50 million men under arms. 25 times the number of soldiers in red china."

Exactly, that's what I'm saying it will have to come down to. Nobody should want to share this country with people dedicated to destroying it and our liberties. We have to have it out once and for all. Nobody should Want peace with these evil scum and their minions anyway.

Posted by: JoshO at October 01, 2021 01:47 PM (Z9wz+)

224 I don't know, but likely one that doesn't exist right now. American hegemony keeps a lot of flames dampened and contained. If we go tits-up, so does a lot of the rest of the world.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2021 01:45 PM (+IIqY)

I agree with that - there will probably be at least 100 years of chaos and warfare worldwide until a few dictators gain enough control of the pieces to stabilize things somewhat. I think the template would be 5th and 6th century Rome. A few cities held out as nice places to live, but most everything else fell apart.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 01, 2021 01:47 PM (trdmm)

225 You think you're gonna break up
Then she says she wants to make up

Posted by: m at October 01, 2021 01:40 PM (6dJKT)

Ok, You said Al Green? Farther back i think Mary Wells. same lyrics.
60's.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'here a variant there a variant, everywhere as variant!' at October 01, 2021 01:47 PM (RoIW/)

226 Red states need to focus on passing polarizing legislation similar to the Texas gun and abortion bills.
That appears to be the only way to slow down the invasion of blue state locusts as well as nudge current Lefty resident to reconsider living there.

THAT has to happen before any divorce, as big cities in almost every state contain a lot of Lefties/blue state thinking people.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2021 01:48 PM (bDqIh)

227 Meanwhile, 56% of Biden voters at least somewhat agreed with the statement 'There's no real difference between Republicans and Fascists' and 76% of Trump voters agreed with the statement 'There's no real difference between Democrats and Socialists.'

So 56% of Biden voters don't understand what the definition of a Fascist is; while 76% of Trump voters correctly understand to definition of a socialist.

Sounds about right.

Posted by: Archer at October 01, 2021 01:48 PM (gmo/4)

228 There aren't enough of you left to form an entire nation of your own, let alone defeat a force that dwarfs you in size.

Posted by: Sid at October 01, 2021 01:48 PM (ObsKd)

229 Signing on for a national divorce, not sure. Is that not a big step toward destroying the USA?

Its dead Jim.

Posted by: Doctor McCoy at October 01, 2021 01:48 PM (DpkTQ)

230 If there's a divorce, they have to move out. And we get the dog, too.

Posted by: Mike Morgan at October 01, 2021 01:48 PM (lrLl2)

231 Posted by: Jack Burton, who says this is all very tiring at October 01, 2021 01:45 PM (6bIQL)

Who needs military equipment when you can simply saunter across the border? China isn't going to invade. Us in chaos is enough for them.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at October 01, 2021 01:48 PM (EpDzw)

232 As long as Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky and Tennessee
came along, we'd have more than enough agriculture.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 01, 2021 01:44 PM (CjFDo)

Virginia is the key. Virginia has the iron works and the man power.

Posted by: quint at October 01, 2021 01:48 PM (EadwG)

233 From where I sit, the 10th amendment died somewhere around 1861 as state secession was made criminal. It never should have been.

Posted by: delurking one more once at October 01, 2021 01:48 PM (aAP3z)

234 Ace, does this mean you're willing to leave NYC? Because I'm not ready to leave Seattle.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 01, 2021 01:48 PM (WgTlh)

235 225 You think you're gonna break up
Then she says she wants to make up

Posted by: m at October 01, 2021 01:40 PM (6dJKT)

Ok, You said Al Green? Farther back i think Mary Wells. same lyrics.
60's.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'here a variant there a variant, everywhere as variant!' at October 01, 2021 01:47 PM (RoIW/)

Al Green wrote it. But I'm not sure when; maybe she sang it first?

Posted by: m at October 01, 2021 01:49 PM (6dJKT)

236 Who will get the family Bible?

Posted by: Lrrr at October 01, 2021 01:49 PM (kcykj)

237 How could the blue states be forced to take the parasites--SJWs and trannies?
Posted by: Northernlurkerish at October 01, 2021 01:42 PM (cSyAR)

catapults?

helicopters?

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 01, 2021 01:49 PM (8D42x)

238 Imagine if National Divorce was a beautiful woman wars would be fought over her over her beauty and femininity. No Fap streaks broken. Homos turning straight. Cows flying South for the Winter.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 01, 2021 01:47 PM (Pz1gB)

and mud wrestling?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'here a variant there a variant, everywhere as variant!' at October 01, 2021 01:49 PM (RoIW/)

239 Let me get this straight...

We're suppose to just hand over prime real estate to a pack of unarmed soi bois and live side by side? Kind of goes against the natural order of things, doesn't it?

Posted by: jwest at October 01, 2021 01:49 PM (/BlEx)

240 Red states need to focus on passing polarizing legislation similar to the Texas gun and abortion bills.

Yep. Arrest celebrities, tax leftist causes, and MANDATE plastic bags at the grocery store checkout.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 01:49 PM (DpkTQ)

241 Signing on for a national divorce, not sure. Is that not a big step toward destroying the USA?
Posted by: MikeM at October 01, 2021 01:47 PM (M/Wbj)

We don't have a country now. What country exists when millions of people simply walk across the border? The country is already dead.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at October 01, 2021 01:50 PM (EpDzw)

242 What the red states should do is get rid of any zoning restrictions in the cities. Remember how the Left used to bitch about Houston?

In further news, I'm contemplating whether I should threaten to retire or just not come back to work for the last three hours today. I really hate seeing a long time customer screwed over.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 01, 2021 01:50 PM (5HBd1)

243 Al Green wrote it. But I'm not sure when; maybe she sang it first?

Posted by: m at October 01, 2021 01:49 PM (6dJKT)

Huh, thanks. My old brain. gonna google.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'here a variant there a variant, everywhere as variant!' at October 01, 2021 01:50 PM (RoIW/)

244 Pentagon has wargamed it out and our side wins every time... The nationalist Anti-GloboHomoPedo side. We get all the foreign support. Literally the exact opposite of the War of Global Industrial aggression of 1860.
Maybe Karma is real...
lmao

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 01, 2021 01:50 PM (Pz1gB)

245 Interesting thought experiment but you must factor in that all those blue states would willingly and glad invite The CCP and other communist into their states putting the enemy literally in our backyard poised for a very bloody war. We must destroy and humiliate the progressives here and now. Thoroughly enough to discredit their ideas for the next 100 years.

Posted by: Steve at October 01, 2021 01:50 PM (Z6/go)

246 Yep. Arrest celebrities, tax leftist causes, and MANDATE plastic bags at the grocery store checkout.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 01:49 PM (DpkTQ)

No, mandate the old paper bags.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at October 01, 2021 01:50 PM (EpDzw)

247 >>Angela Bassett.

Oops, thanks!

Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2021 01:50 PM (bDqIh)

248 Actually a more accurate statement would be "75% of Democrat voters cowered in fear like a buncha fags, rather than answer a question about the evil fascists who support the God Emperor and so-called American Freedom, while 75% of fascists punched the media intern before ze could ask them any questions about those Satanic, baby-murdering Communist filth Democrats."

Posted by: Xamot was the pretty one at October 01, 2021 01:50 PM (yh3nf)

249 We had make up sex. While she slept...i took the dogs and the nuclear football.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at October 01, 2021 01:51 PM (iWKOD)

250 215 4 mil l ion people voted for Trump in Cal. 3 million in NY. Similar counts exist in many blue states and contrary results exist in red states. Your national divorce in no way addresses that reality. This is not America circa 1860.
Posted by: Xknight at October 01, 2021 01:46 PM (7TVai)

how many voted to keep Newsome?

Posted by: Eric Schmidt at October 01, 2021 01:51 PM (ulaXh)

251 Interesting thought experiment but you must factor in that all those blue states would willingly and glad invite The CCP and other communist into their states putting the enemy literally in our backyard poised for a very bloody war.

The CCP would want two states, as would almost every country that might intervene.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 01:51 PM (DpkTQ)

252 How about a trial separation followed by a McClintock reconciliation?

Posted by: Lrrr at October 01, 2021 01:51 PM (kcykj)

253 news flash, we would not have any.

Posted by: confederatefifth at October 01, 2021 01:28 PM (K3ZCc)

The only way I think this can happen is if the NE decides to join the EU, perhaps as a commonwealth or Protectorate. The EU and Nato would cover it's military defenses. The interior Interior of the US, the midwest, southwest and southeast (excluding NO VA) would be the United States. The West and Pacific NW including HI could join Canada and be territories. Alaska and Long Island can decide where they want to go.

Posted by: Boswell at October 01, 2021 01:51 PM (5iUNf)

254 Merck is up nearly 10% cuz they announced they have Merckimectin ready to go. Fuck, just buy Ivermectin and tell NJ to suck your balls.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 01, 2021 01:51 PM (xSnmX)

255 Let's Stay Together by The Shirelles was written by Al Green, Al Jackson Jr. and Willie Mitchell and was first released by Al Green in 1971.

Shirelles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7-uDsNtRTw

Posted by: m at October 01, 2021 01:51 PM (6dJKT)

256 Imagine if National Divorce was a beautiful woman wars would be fought over her over her beauty and femininity. No Fap streaks broken. Homos turning straight. Cows flying South for the Winter.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 01, 2021 01:47 PM (Pz1gB)

and mud wrestling?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'here a variant there a variant, everywhere as variant!'

Of course. That's a Monday night. Bob.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 01, 2021 01:51 PM (Pz1gB)

257 Will Joe Biden go into the history books as the last president?

Posted by: Northernlurkerish at October 01, 2021 01:52 PM (cSyAR)

258 Biden beat Trump by 16 points in Oregon.

OTOH, 26 of the 36 counties in Oregon voted for Trump, some by huge margins.

In most of the United States, you have a few left-wing cities surrounded by a vast sea of red.

How do you draw the borders?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 01, 2021 01:52 PM (I2/tG)

259 What are other similar board games that can be fun with children?
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Waddington's Campaign. See sock link but there's probably a full review at Board Game Geek or similar sites.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 01, 2021 01:52 PM (UHVv4)

260 We have said for a long time, they do not want to control the USA, they want to destroy the USA. Signing on for a national divorce, not sure. Is that not a big step toward destroying the USA?
Posted by: MikeM
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Let's face it.. It's gone already..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 01, 2021 01:52 PM (CjFDo)

261 Let me get this straight...

We're suppose to just hand over prime real estate to a pack of unarmed soi bois and live side by side? Kind of goes against the natural order of things, doesn't it?
Posted by: jwest at October 01, 2021 01:49 PM (/BlEx)

Yes. I mean we would never group them into contiguous territory and drive them out. That would be bad.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at October 01, 2021 01:52 PM (EpDzw)

262 212 More likely, the federal government--bloated, corrupt, bankrupt and devoid of any real authority over its fractured and disillusioned people--will eventually lose the ability to enforce its policies when the money runs out post economic collapse and governing will refocus to the state and local levels, with plenty of regional strife to go along with it.
Posted by: BunnyFooFoo at October 01, 2021 01:43 PM (0Uf+z)

****

This. The blue states have already been ignoring federal law for some time and now the red states have finally logged on to the process. This is going to continue to accelerate as the current administration continues its spiral into farce.

Posted by: Azathoth at October 01, 2021 01:52 PM (PzEuz)

263 We lost 600,000 plus quality males in the last "National Divorce".

It's a pernicious thought. Satanic.

"Let's me and him fight so you can gather more control"

The Insitutions can be re-taken and the election audit movement is the perfect first step.

Revolutions beget revolutions in a downward spiral of suffering.
Evil people will always be with us. And they will always seek chaos in which they can gain.

But they can't win when they are seen. Iago had to work in secret.

Posted by: Thesokorus at October 01, 2021 01:53 PM (7kR9j)

264 In most of the United States, you have a few left-wing cities surrounded by a vast sea of red.

How do you draw the borders?

In think this was covered in Escape from New York.

They can have their little urban CHAZ farms while all the actual farmers in the sticks join Jesusland.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 01:53 PM (DpkTQ)

265 Merck is up nearly 10% cuz they announced they have Merckimectin ready to go. Fuck, just buy Ivermectin and tell NJ to suck your balls.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 01, 2021 01:51 PM (xSnmX)

I saw that and was wondering if that's what this new miracle drug actually was.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 01, 2021 01:53 PM (igSoX)

266 220 Attack by an outside force would go some distance in uniting us. Though what distance.
Posted by: m at October 01, 2021 01:47 PM (6dJKT)

On 9/11/2001 the press started undermining George Bush the day of the attack. The D's started doing the same roughly a week later.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at October 01, 2021 01:53 PM (mVMcL)

267 I'd prefer that SMOD stop fucking around finally touch down in the center of the Yellowstone Caldera, which would bust us all down to subsistence-level survival.

The population of the US would almost immediately drop by 50%, and it wouldn't be the Commie/Libs who remain.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 01, 2021 01:53 PM (5hAFC)

268 258 Biden beat Trump by 16 points in Oregon.

OTOH, 26 of the 36 counties in Oregon voted for Trump, some by huge margins.

In most of the United States, you have a few left-wing cities surrounded by a vast sea of red.

How do you draw the borders?
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Tracers and 155 shells work pretty well.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 01, 2021 01:53 PM (xSnmX)

269 m, yeah I'm out in left field. Thanks. Love Al Green.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'here a variant there a variant, everywhere as variant!' at October 01, 2021 01:54 PM (RoIW/)

270 "Then we kill them where we find them. We would still have more than 50 million men under arms. 25 times the number of soldiers in red china."

Exactly, that's what I'm saying it will have to come down to. Nobody should want to share this country with people dedicated to destroying it and our liberties. We have to have it out once and for all. Nobody should Want peace with these evil scum and their minions anyway.
Posted by: JoshO

You Secede first and retake territory later.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 01, 2021 01:54 PM (Pz1gB)

271 Will Joe Biden go into the history books as the last president?
Posted by: Northernlurkerish at October 01, 2021 01:52 PM (cSyAR)
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No way. The "national divorce" won't happen. Decay and eventual fracturing is more likely. We've got 30 years minimum before that happens. And even after that, there will be a petty emperor in Washington playing president for quite some time beyond the effective end of the empire.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2021 01:54 PM (+IIqY)

272 In further news, I'm contemplating whether I should threaten to retire or just not come back to work for the last three hours today. I really hate seeing a long time customer screwed over.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 01, 2021 01:50 PM (5HBd1)

do you live in a blue state? retire, sell, move before the real estate market implodes.

Posted by: Eric Schmidt at October 01, 2021 01:54 PM (ulaXh)

273 265 Merck is up nearly 10% cuz they announced they have Merckimectin ready to go. Fuck, just buy Ivermectin and tell NJ to suck your balls.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 01, 2021 01:51 PM (xSnmX)

I saw that and was wondering if that's what this new miracle drug actually was.
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That's what it is with 11 secret herbs and spices to make it patentable.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 01, 2021 01:54 PM (xSnmX)

274 kidding aside, this is not about states seceding, at least not in the traditional sense. It is two Americas as John Edwards said but his terms were about something else

As many say, this has nothing to do with Mason Dix. Crap, a huge percentage of our political and life enemies live in Texas. Sure many more live in CA and NY, but lets wake up to reality. Texas used to boast about having most of the largest cities, Dallas, Houston,S.A. Austin and maybe El Paso. Sure they are not all left, but they are controlled by the left.

I know for sure PA is 90 percent red by county. Hell,even MD is mostly Red. We can't leave them behind. The divorce is likely to be a way to live near each other but not be dictated to by each other. That is my guess. It won't be a war, but as Ace says and many have said,it will be a legit divorce.

Posted by: quint at October 01, 2021 01:54 PM (EadwG)

275 What are other similar board games that can be fun with children?
Posted by: flounder at October 01, 2021 01:44 PM (KnJdm)

1775 The American Revolution is good game.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at October 01, 2021 01:54 PM (EpDzw)

276 I feel like Kurt blessed us with 'fukky' and we just gave it away in the divorce.

Sad.

Posted by: MJ - hopes fukky isn't played out already at October 01, 2021 01:54 PM (zwDuR)

277 >>> plenty of us live in blue states
you just gonna leaves us out to dry ?

We have to move or tough it out.

Posted by: fluffy at October 01, 2021 01:55 PM (UnQlg)

278 https://tinyurl.com/45j35r4u

Since China is being discussed, this is apropos. Is there a new Cultural Revolution in the offing, and if so, what does that portend for China's economy? Presumably nothing good, but that doesn't mean Xi isn't trying to do something really stupid.

Posted by: pep at October 01, 2021 01:55 PM (ZsR3z)

279 National divorce sounds nice but how do we divide our shit without a war to decide. Will states want to pick sides? Will anyone want to give territory to the other? Will the isolated blue areas go red with there neighbors? What about red areas in blue states. What about National debts? How do industrial areas grow food? How do agriculture areas grow industry? We are better as a union if we could embrace federalism and let states rule themselves. Why does the fed have so much control?

Other than dc needs to burn down and fall into the sea.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at October 01, 2021 01:55 PM (0OmEj)

280 We're suppose to just hand over prime real estate ...

Posted by: jwest at October 01, 2021 01:49 PM (/BlEx)

That prime real estate will become the the property of feral yoots and the value will turn to crap.

Posted by: Liz Cheney at October 01, 2021 01:56 PM (YPQfb)

281 Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at October 01, 2021 01:54 PM (EpDzw)

Thanks. Will check that out.

Posted by: flounder at October 01, 2021 01:56 PM (KnJdm)

282 China - 2 million man army

US paid hunting licenses 2019 - 15,544,849

Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2021 01:56 PM (OCTRt)

283 Political issues aside, the social issues placed on people who have to decide to remain in what will likely be hostile territory or move/leave will be dramatic. IMO the reality of the moment will force many to give up their beliefs in order to remain in familiar territory. Others will move. If given a prescribed period of time to do so without the former territory hassling you, or the new territory putting up roadblocks to internal migrations those that want to leave will. Those that don't, won't. Those that can't better figure out what they want to do sooner rather than later and ask for help now. I think if there was a lifeline for those people the numbers who would leave their leftist shitholes would be staggering.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 01, 2021 01:56 PM (BFigT)

284 Just one question. Will I still get my SS check when I retire? If not, the divorce is off.

Posted by: David at October 01, 2021 01:56 PM (u9peP)

285 Biden beat Trump by 16 points in Oregon.

I'm convinced, BTW, that most of this is fraud in the cities.

Every time I look at election returns from cities you see the same pattern - some precincts have basically 100% turn out, all for whoever is the top D candidate on the ballot. I don't see this as something you can view as a reasonable outcome to actual voting patterns.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 01:57 PM (DpkTQ)

286 We lost 600,000 plus quality males in the last "National Divorce".

Each side can choose a champion - single combat to the death - would be acceptable.

Posted by: Archer at October 01, 2021 01:57 PM (gmo/4)

287 Three Curses of No Military Service: Almost Served Guy, Mr. Thank You and The Liar

https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=118033

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at October 01, 2021 01:57 PM (hBjG3)

288 277 >>> plenty of us live in blue states
you just gonna leaves us out to dry ?

I know a few liberal women who would latch on to the first red state guy they could get hold of. When the shit hits the fan, no girl wants to be with the soi bois.

Posted by: jwest at October 01, 2021 01:57 PM (/BlEx)

289 280 We're suppose to just hand over prime real estate ...

Posted by: jwest at October 01, 2021 01:49 PM (/BlEx)

That prime real estate will become the the property of feral yoots and the value will turn to crap.
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Simple, just parachute drop loads of 9mm pistols and speed things up. We should do the same in Cuba.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 01, 2021 01:57 PM (xSnmX)

290 The solution is to come up with a document of organic law which sets out what can be done on the federal level of government, and what can be done by states, while ensuring that basic rights are not infringed upon by the federal-level government. It will also ensure the nation will not have a unitary government.

I'm surprised no one has tried such a thing.

Posted by: Cow Demon - Free Australia! at October 01, 2021 01:58 PM (CdZ4i)

291 Even if the idea started amicable it wouldn't stay that for long, the Marxists will start freaking out they lost.

Posted by: Skip at October 01, 2021 01:58 PM (2JoB8)

292 How do you draw the borders?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 01, 2021 01:52 PM (I2/tG)

What you would need is a "Great Migration" agreement between the new US (the Midwest, SW and the South) and the other territories. If these "other" territories decide to join another country, say Canada or Britain, which they should be encouraged to do, the populations should be given 1 year from execution of the separation to either decide to be British or Canadian, or decide to be American and then, according to their agreed upon Nationality be allowed to self deport to their respective countries, going thru agreed upon entry points. The US portion gets the US military, and all its assets and bases located within the US territory, and the other territories get to be under the military umbrella of their new respective country.

Posted by: Boswell at October 01, 2021 01:58 PM (5iUNf)

293 I'm surprised no one has tried such a thing.
Posted by: Cow Demon - Free Australia! at October 01, 2021 01:58 PM (CdZ4i)

They did try. Obviously it's failed so far.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 01, 2021 01:58 PM (jOcSX)

294 Let's Stay Together by The Shirelles was written by Al Green, Al Jackson Jr. and Willie Mitchell and was first released by Al Green in 1971.

Shirelles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7-uDsNtRTw

Posted by: m at October 01, 2021 01:51 PM (6dJKT)

Thanks you! My brain was over heating. All Green does it better....but thats a nice version too.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'here a variant there a variant, everywhere as variant!' at October 01, 2021 01:58 PM (RoIW/)

295 I saw a video of a cop thanking rappers for holding their guns sideways in their videos. Always makes me laugh when I watch it again.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 01:58 PM (DpkTQ)

296 We're suppose to just hand over prime real estate to a pack of unarmed soi bois and live side by side?

Nah bro. The left has control of the govt, the voting process, the courts, the media, the money and now the military. The soi bois are just their little block thugs for now.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 01, 2021 01:59 PM (r5BVk)

297 First you'll need 28T$ cash and a toy to keep DC busy.

Posted by: DaveA at October 01, 2021 01:59 PM (FhXTo)

298 When the lines do get drawn, it won't be state boundaries. It'll be counties.
Rural Oregon is not going to be ruled by--and feed-- folks that garden by tossing potting soil onto tarps.

The success of this plan relies upon tricking the cities into thinking that though.
I will thoroughly enjoy their thousand Pol Pots as they march their urban poor out to obtain their food.

Posted by: Lrrr at October 01, 2021 01:59 PM (kcykj)

299 Seriously, how does this even get started? How many red state governors just signed on to take in thousands of Afghan refugees?

Are they really going to forego that federal largesse to risk everything breaking away from the union to appease a voting bloc they already don't care about?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 01, 2021 01:59 PM (KbCG3)

300 Hopefully, General Milley will call us up and alert us when his blue state command decides to start Civil War II.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at October 01, 2021 01:59 PM (h020H)

301 What you would need is a "Great Migration" agreement between the new US (the Midwest, SW and the South) and the other territories.

Yeah, that sounds good in theory, but the practice can get a bit sporty.

Posted by: Lord Louis Mountbatten at October 01, 2021 02:00 PM (ZsR3z)

302 We don't have a country now. What country exists when millions of people simply walk across the border? The country is already dead.
Posted by: WiNO
I'm on your side, I agree. What are the people doing on our borders doing, when they probably swore some oath to protect our borders?
But as nurse and others have said, so what is the solution, nurse ratched is supposed to leave Seatlle(?) her work, her family, her house?
And then why do we think we are safe in Idaho? They will just squeeze us here. Isn't it better to keep fighting, somehow, not sure how, where we have our different communities?

Posted by: MikeM at October 01, 2021 02:00 PM (M/Wbj)

303 No way. The "national divorce" won't happen. Decay and eventual fracturing is more likely. We've got 30 years minimum before that happens. And even after that, there will be a petty emperor in Washington playing president for quite some time beyond the effective end of the empire.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

VoxDay has had a prediction of 2030 for well over a decade. He has moved it up. I'm going with VD on this one. He has always been well ahead of the curve since the early 2000's.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 01, 2021 02:00 PM (Pz1gB)

304 I have both Risk & Axis & Allies...
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 01, 2021 01:34 PM (8D42x)
We know.
Posted by: FBI at October 01, 2021 01:36 PM (RoIW/)
Would you like to play a game of chess?
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at October 01, 2021 01:41 PM (8D42x)
Later. Let's play global thermonuclear war.
Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at October 01, 2021 01:42 PM (EpDzw)

I refuse to play.

I WIN!

Posted by: Just Lily at October 01, 2021 02:00 PM (vivhj)

305 Seriously, how does this even get started?

What should have happened is that Gov Abbott should have announced a plebiscite for independence for the state of Texas that would be put on the ballot for immediate vote if the SC said election fraud was ok in the election case they raised.

Speaking if which, we'd have President Trump right now had that limpwrist done so.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 02:01 PM (DpkTQ)

306 Divorce? You keep your government hands off my Medicare!

Posted by: Boomers at October 01, 2021 02:01 PM (n1zHs)

307 292 How do you draw the borders?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 01, 2021 01:52 PM (I2/tG)

First we relocate groups of liberals to underutilized areas of the country. This is accomplished with marching while they carry their Covid infected blankets with them.

Posted by: jwest at October 01, 2021 02:02 PM (/BlEx)

308 One of the reasons why the late, lamented BFF and I were able to be friends despite our wildly different politics was because we accepted that the other's positions stemmed from a world view that was the opposite.

She believed in the primacy of the tribe. I believe in the primacy of the individual. We each knew our reasons for why that was and we each accepted that the other would not change. Most importantly, we accepted that the other's view was different, not better (mine's better) or worse, but different. And thus we said okay we'll never agree and moved on.

You can't do that in American politics right now because political beliefs are religious beliefs and thus the Other is a heretic. And heretics are always sent off to burn.

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at October 01, 2021 02:02 PM (mf5HN)

309 So, how do you divide the national debt when the country splits?

It is easy to split the Social (spit) Security trust fund because it is empty. But the other wide of the ledger which lists our debts is overbrimming.

And there are other important things to split like nuclear weapons, ports etc...

If you think personal divorces are bitter, just wait until you see a national one. And it would be even messier for not splitting along state lines because large swaths of the blue states would not wish to be abandoned behind enemy lines, just as some of the rotten and corrupt cities in the red states would like to join their rotten and corrupt brethren in making the world a more racist and less free place.

But it would be worth it to build an America without the party which gave us slavery, the Trail of Tears, Jim Crow, Japanese internment, the Civil War, CRT, BLM, domestic terror, Marxism and crippling, intergenerational debt.

Posted by: Thatch at October 01, 2021 02:02 PM (qWceQ)

310 Today, we have two United States, side by side, North and South, exchanging and working. We may not agree with all that North US is doing, but they are living in peace. I would look for a better human rights record for North USA, but they are living side by side.

Posted by: Sheila Jackson-Lee's brain parasites at October 01, 2021 02:02 PM (P4LRL)

311 Yes. I mean we would never group them into contiguous territory and drive them out. That would be bad.
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Put them onto "Preserves" for their own good where they could farm soy and hunt lattes like their ancestors!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 01, 2021 02:02 PM (UHVv4)

312 >Pentagon has wargamed it out and our side wins every time...
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 01, 2021 01:50 PM (Pz1gB)

Based on their track record, is that supposed to be comforting?

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at October 01, 2021 02:02 PM (cSs/W)

313 Blue state. stepson wants to turn the house into a rental, can't get them to clear out the house so we can mortgage it and pay me off. Not having a good day today.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 01, 2021 02:02 PM (5HBd1)

314 hiya

Posted by: JT at October 01, 2021 02:03 PM (arJlL)

315 112 It would be interesting to see all the movement though, like when Paki and India traded Hindus for Muzzies.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 01, 2021 01:34 PM (r5BVk)
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Presumably, that's how it would have to go. Those in blue states who don't want to move will just have to decide; the same for the commies in red states. Some will stay. I don't envy them their fates.

Keep in mind, the milder "strong federalism" option would be similar. Those in blue states will be fcuked daily.

My wife and I gave up on VA, just over a year ago. Delighted with the results. (I'm hoping NC goes right. At least not wrong in my lifetime.)

BTW, on the previous post, much of the problem is that the GOP of VA makes the national party look smart and principled. It goes back a ways, but I think the death blow was when Dick Obenshain died in a plane crash, and we got John Warner.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 01, 2021 02:03 PM (7X3UV)

316 OTOH, 26 of the 36 counties in Oregon voted for Trump, some by huge margins.

In most of the United States, you have a few left-wing cities surrounded by a vast sea of red.

How do you draw the borders?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 01, 2021 01:52 PM

I suspect there was democract voting shenanigans in some of those "blue" counties.

Posted by: Beartooth at October 01, 2021 02:03 PM (68WvR)

317 So, how do you divide the national debt when the country splits?

The New American Republic would correctly point out those are the responsibility of the Socialist American People's Republic.

Seriously, they spent the money they can pay the bill.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 02:04 PM (DpkTQ)

318 Divorce? You keep your government hands off my Medicare!
Posted by: Boomers

The money Texas would save by no longer sending it to Fedgov would more than be enough to take care of it's people.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2021 02:04 PM (OCTRt)

319 I'm fine with Balkanization.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 01, 2021 02:04 PM (YA914)

320 305 Seriously, how does this even get started?

What should have happened is that Gov Abbott should have announced a plebiscite for independence for the state of Texas that would be put on the ballot for immediate vote if the SC said election fraud was ok in the election case they raised.

Speaking if which, we'd have President Trump right now had that limpwrist done so.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 02:01 PM (DpkTQ)

If there was ever a reason, that would've been it. And it didn't happen and nobody even brought it up as a serious action.

Again, what's the tipping point here? Some state gets so fed up they elect a die-hard "leaver" backed by a die-hard legislature. Can anyone see that?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 01, 2021 02:05 PM (KbCG3)

321 the same for the commies in red states. Some will stay. I don't envy them their fates.

Mostly the commies will have to get a real job...which isn't too bad.

In the Socialist American People's Republic though apparently the First Citizen will determine what injections you will get yearly, and whether or not you are allowed to keep your balls attached to your body

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 02:05 PM (DpkTQ)

322
First we relocate groups of liberals to underutilized areas of the country. This is accomplished with marching while they carry their Covid infected blankets with them.

The Trail of queers

Posted by: Name at October 01, 2021 02:05 PM (y8rt3)

323 I don't trust the Blue states with nukes. They'd use them on us as soon as it was clear which side was going to win the economic war that would follow.

Also as many have pointed out, the "blue states" are few and far between. Mostly its "blue cities" surrounded by seas of common sense and pragmatism.

Posted by: Defenestratus at October 01, 2021 02:05 PM (GWhO7)

324 New York Times Redesign of the US Flag.

https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=118004

If we're gonna split, gonna need a new flag.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at October 01, 2021 02:05 PM (hBjG3)

325 So, how do you divide the national debt when the country splits?

Foreign debt would be dissolved.

I'm sorry, the country that owes you money has filed Chapter 11. Frig off.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 01, 2021 02:06 PM (YA914)

326 There are modular national divorces that could happen and have been attempted but are also being prevented by the left.

For instance, the non-communists could produce their own media, social network etc.. Look at how this is always attacked. The non-communists could try to break away fiscally, look at how that is always attacked. Look at that history. Every attempt by people to escape their oligarch master's slave plantation has been met with force.

That is the example you need to look at. Talk among leftists about this is bullshit. They are nothing but defensive stances, postures, feints in this war. The left's "national divorce" is with them on one side and us in mass graves on the other.

Posted by: banana Dream at October 01, 2021 02:06 PM (sAW/z)

327 Notsothoreau - look forward

Prayers up, kid !

Posted by: JT at October 01, 2021 02:07 PM (arJlL)

328 What you would need is a "Great Migration" agreement between the new US (the Midwest, SW and the South) and the other territories. If these "other" territories decide to join another country, say Canada or Britain, which they should be encouraged to do, the populations should be given 1 year from execution of the separation to either decide to be British or Canadian, or decide to be American and then, according to their agreed upon Nationality be allowed to self deport to their respective countries, going thru agreed upon entry points. The US portion gets the US military, and all its assets and bases located within the US territory, and the other territories get to be under the military umbrella of their new respective country.
Posted by: Boswell at October 01, 2021 01:58 PM (5iUNf)

Population transfers, as history shows, are always peaceful and uneventful. That's the good news.

Posted by: Postwar Eastern Europe and India/Pakistan at October 01, 2021 02:07 PM (CdZ4i)

329 If we're gonna split, gonna need a new flag.
Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at October 01, 2021 02:05 PM (hBjG3)

Any Frazetta is as good as another.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 01, 2021 02:07 PM (P4LRL)

330 we stay here, we work this shit out. there will never be a a peaceful divorce because no one knows how such an entity would be created.
Posted by: Jack Burton, who says this is all very tiring at October 01, 2021 01:28 PM (6bIQL)

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I don't disagree but we're not ever "working shit out" unless some people "go away."

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 01, 2021 02:07 PM (DcKNO)

331 Wouldn't it be easier to reform our government back to original intent and let each state do their own thing?
Under original intent people would naturally "vote with their feet"

National divorce talk is avoiding the real problem with what would probably result in the same outcome.

Disclaimer: I am not advocating for or suggesting our Feral Government needs to be overthrown, Bob.

Posted by: Fool Otto at October 01, 2021 02:08 PM (DB16e)

332 It's a pipe dream. The left will NEVER leave us alone. If we form our own nation, they will find ways to infiltrate it culturally, economically, then finally militarily. It's like expecting the Soviet Union to leave its neighbors alone. NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

Posted by: Brisco County Sr

An imperative of national socialism, or socialism on a large scale, is always war. Think about the last 20 years of America. War in the Middle East, Afghanistan...there is a reason for this, and it wasn't really the "War on Terror", as George W. Bushleague President talked about, or what us stupid plebes thought it was about.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at October 01, 2021 02:08 PM (vcOmj)

333 Again, what's the tipping point here? Some state gets so fed up they elect a die-hard "leaver" backed by a die-hard legislature. Can anyone see that?

DeSantis faced down Despot Biden on the vax-ports. That was one possible trigger had Biden decided to not back down.

I suspect DeSantis is the man if it happens. Speaking of which, as much as I rag on Abbott aren't their supposedly 24 other Republican governors?

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 02:08 PM (DpkTQ)

334 One problem with the Claremonsters is that there is a tendency for them to try to narrow proper conservatism to a rump. Not all are like that (Anton isn't). But you can see it at Am Greatness. Every other week there seems to be an attack on others in the Trump wing as not being "really" Americans.

This is blind, if they really think they can be an actual majority. The founders weren't always kissy-poo amongst themselves. And conservatism is more varied today. Russell Kirk would definitely be on their enemies list, for instance. Probably Buchanan too. Though under a different banner, that's the strategy NR took under Lowry. I don't recommend it.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 01, 2021 02:08 PM (7X3UV)

335 195 The poll should have asked respondents to define fascism and socialism. I suspect the responses on the former would have been entertaining. Sadly, that sort of thing doesn't work well with the multiple choice format typically used by polls

The other bit worth noting about the fascism/socialism thing is that some Democrats - including a guy who ran in the last two Democratic presidential primaries - routinely describe themselves as socialists. No one describes themselves as a fascist.

Posted by: junior at October 01, 2021 01:44 PM (TUHl2)

The Red Shirts...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 01, 2021 02:08 PM (ynpvh)

336 Any Frazetta is as good as another.
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Sorry, what's a Frazetta?

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at October 01, 2021 02:08 PM (hBjG3)

337 Who's the woman in the divorce? You know who the divorce judge favors.

Posted by: Cornpop at October 01, 2021 02:08 PM (l7udz)

338 Actually, a break up would leave a coast to coast red America with pockets (the large cities) of independent socialist communes.

The Independent Socialist Commune of New York (ISCNY) would exist in and trade with the red state of New York, but be totally separate as far as governance.

I could put this deal together...

Posted by: jwest at October 01, 2021 02:09 PM (/BlEx)

339 320 305 Seriously, how does this even get started?

What should have happened is that Gov Abbott should have announced a plebiscite for independence for the state of Texas that would be put on the ballot for immediate vote if the SC said election fraud was ok in the election case they raised.

Speaking if which, we'd have President Trump right now had that limpwrist done so.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 02:01 PM (DpkTQ)

If there was ever a reason, that would've been it. And it didn't happen and nobody even brought it up as a serious action.

Again, what's the tipping point here? Some state gets so fed up they elect a die-hard "leaver" backed by a die-hard legislature. Can anyone see that?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 01, 2021 02:05 PM (KbCG3)

The problem is that Gov Abbott is a poll driven phony, much like another governor of some time back who governed a neighboring state for a good portion of the 1980s.

Posted by: Postwar Eastern Europe and India/Pakistan at October 01, 2021 02:09 PM (CdZ4i)

340 I'm on your side, I agree. What are the people doing on our borders doing, when they probably swore some oath to protect our borders?
But as nurse and others have said, so what is the solution, nurse ratched is supposed to leave Seatlle(?) her work, her family, her house?
And then why do we think we are safe in Idaho? They will just squeeze us here. Isn't it better to keep fighting, somehow, not sure how, where we have our different communities?
Posted by: MikeM at October 01, 2021 02:00 PM (M/Wbj)

This is why very few of us who did move out of blue states and have repeatedly told others to do the same will not care very much about those who refused to leave. You love your house and beach access more than freedom? Your choice. Do not expect me to send my sons to rescue you.

Posted by: Eric Schmidt at October 01, 2021 02:09 PM (ulaXh)

341 Thanks JT. The other scheduler is on his case too, so I'm not doing battle alone.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 01, 2021 02:09 PM (5HBd1)

342 Chunk Wee-grr says he'd end Joe Rogan in a fight. What is it with fat pieces of shit thinking their bulk makes them capable fighters?

https://bit.ly/3ovnArv

Posted by: bonhomme at October 01, 2021 02:09 PM (YYlyE)

343 It's be interesting to see what the Blue country decides to do with the Red areas in their territory. You know, the rural areas that feed it. My guess they go full Zimbabwe, with similar results.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at October 01, 2021 02:09 PM (HmZuC)

344 This is very good news, particularly the bit a out 41 percent of Biden voters. My guess is that percentage of them will be a majority soon enough. My other guess is the election was stolen to keep Blue states like California in the fold. The only peaceful resolution will be if the Left leaves first--and it may.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at October 01, 2021 02:09 PM (E4NQ0)

345 227 Meanwhile, 56% of Biden voters at least somewhat agreed with the statement 'There's no real difference between Republicans and Fascists' and 76% of Trump voters agreed with the statement 'There's no real difference between Democrats and Socialists.'

So 56% of Biden voters don't understand what the definition of a Fascist is; while 76% of Trump voters correctly understand to definition of a socialist.

Sounds about right.

Posted by: Archer at October 01, 2021 01:48 PM (gmo/4)

So Dems are Socialist Fascists. I also say their Communists, Tyrants, and Dictatorial assholes. I guess those options were'nt in the survey.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 01, 2021 02:09 PM (ynpvh)

346 With the addition of Texas and Oklahoma, I'd say the SEC football conference is a pretty good footprint for a country.

Energy, food production, coastal access, rednecks with firearms, hot blondes, shapely Cubans, good cuisine.

Might need to purge Austin, Houston and Atlanta first.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 01, 2021 02:10 PM (YA914)

347 Wouldn't it be easier to reform our government back to original intent and let each state do their own thing?

Why? All that did was give us the current situation. The original structure was what led to the Civil War, because you had two very different nations living under one government, and the fall-out from the Civil War lead directly to what we have today.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 01, 2021 02:10 PM (jOcSX)

348 One way you can tell that Americans are preposterously sheltered is their idea that border, allies, and state policies will be drawn up before the war, and not afterwards. That kind of thinking would have scuttled the American Revolution.

Anyone with the slightest experience of modern civil war knows how combatants think:

1) Are they against us? Kill them.
2) Are they neutral? If there's no good reason to leave them alone, kill them.
3) On our side? Trust, but verify.

And that's if they are particularly humane. You're much likelier to get some turder who will rape and kill your family for fun.

Posted by: trev006 at October 01, 2021 02:10 PM (Eqkqm)

349 An eagle can't fly with just one wing.

The USA must forever be one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all or what's the point? But I do agree a huge & potentially unsolvable family feud is already underway and we might not have 48 contiguous states in January 2100.

Posted by: Onewhoknows at October 01, 2021 02:10 PM (WweVH)

350 @265

>>I saw that and was wondering if that's what this new miracle drug actually was.

Now the reason why every existing generic or OTC drug that people were attempting to use to ameliorate COVID was banned or denigrated.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 01, 2021 02:10 PM (2y4WM)

351 Dang. Coming to this late and I seem to miss all the fun threads.
So many branches and sequels to this thinking.
The key question is who is doing th planning now (thinking Red side here)? Who is setting up the government in hiding? Who is being contacted? and most importantly, what foreign governments are being approached for support? This would be crucial. Biggest question, how do you handle Mexico and Canada with a subset question of how to handle Quebec?
Given two or three critical allies (with their support in terms of finance and weapons) and now you have a serious case ofor success.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 01, 2021 02:10 PM (axyOa)

352 Lol. They just fired our superintendent. He wanted to teach kids CRT. Parents said, nope. Guess who won?

Stand up for your rights. Get involved. It makes a difference.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 01, 2021 02:10 PM (cSW7V)

353 Wouldn't it be easier to reform our government back to original intent and let each state do their own thing?
Under original intent people would naturally "vote with their feet"
Posted by: Fool Otto at October 01, 2021 02:08 PM (DB16e)

Maybe, but the federal government would never deign to be limited by the powers granted under the Constitution.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 01, 2021 02:11 PM (P4LRL)

354 "their idea that border, allies, and state policies will be drawn up before the war, and not afterwards."

You mean the reverse, you silly twit. You're fired.

Posted by: trev006 at October 01, 2021 02:11 PM (Eqkqm)

355 But it wont work

Posted by: The guy who always says but it wont work about everything at October 01, 2021 02:11 PM (YTBIQ)

356 The money Texas would save by no longer sending it to Fedgov would more than be enough to take care of it's people.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2021 02:04 PM (OCTRt)

For awhile. Do not underestimate the profligacy of the TX Legislature and other government agencies (like school boards, cities, counties, etc.).

Posted by: Cow Demon - Free Australia! at October 01, 2021 02:11 PM (CdZ4i)

357 It's be interesting to see what the Blue country decides to do with the Red areas in their territory. You know, the rural areas that feed it. My guess they go full Zimbabwe, with similar results.

Yep. I suspect their would be an immediate demand to end racial disparities in farming and you'd get a whole bunch of new black and hispanic farmers that know nothing about farming with the usual results.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 02:11 PM (DpkTQ)

358 It could be effected by casting off about a dozen sets of urban metropolitan counties located on water. About 2/3 of the population of North America would be located in a decentralized federation of the core, about 1/3 in a dozen or so city-states. The Canadian component would have ceremonial distinct from the Yank component.

Posted by: Art Deco at October 01, 2021 02:11 PM (1BrBu)

359 If we capture the strategic national ice cream reserve, we'll have those commie bastards eating out the palm of our hands!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at October 01, 2021 02:12 PM (h020H)

360 The Trail of queers
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Bury my junk at Severed Tranny.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 01, 2021 02:12 PM (UHVv4)

361
Any Frazetta is as good as another.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 01, 2021 02:07 PM

horse, armor, & battle ax (album cover Frazetta)

or

armor. battle ax, & scantily clad woman (pulp sci-fi cover art Frazetta)

begun they have, the Frazetta debates

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 01, 2021 02:12 PM (DUIap)

362 New York Times Redesign of the US Flag.

https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=118004

If we're gonna split, gonna need a new flag.
Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at October 01, 2021 02:05 PM

I love the categories the blog put the story into:

"Teh Stoopid", Dick Stepping, and Media.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 01, 2021 02:13 PM (m+jkK)

363 Yep. I suspect their would be an immediate demand to end racial disparities in farming and you'd get a whole bunch of new black and hispanic farmers that know nothing about farming with the usual results.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 02:11 PM (DpkTQ)

Perhaps. Or they'll just get a ton of food imported. That has its limits, but I think the left would happily incinerate whole regions to keep food coming in.

Posted by: trev006 at October 01, 2021 02:13 PM (Eqkqm)

364 You can't do that in American politics right now because political beliefs are religious beliefs and thus the Other is a heretic. And heretics are always sent off to burn.
Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria

We have drifted apart...as a nation and a people, for largely the reasons you spoke of. Are the rights of the people sacrosanct or inalienable, or does Big Government trump all?
The message from much of Academia, major elected politicians for generations is that Big Government trumps all. Teddy Roosevelt in many ways kicked it off, but Woodrow Wilson really got it rolling. FDR put is on Steroids, and the rest, as they say, is history.
They base many of their fallacious arguments on the outcome of the Civil War and Reconstruction, which to this day is still deliberately misunderstood by both sides of the argument.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at October 01, 2021 02:13 PM (vcOmj)

365
IIRC, Frazetta did nudes, as well

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 01, 2021 02:13 PM (DUIap)

366 Anyone with the slightest experience of modern civil war knows how combatants think:

1) Are they against us? Kill them.
2) Are they neutral? If there's no good reason to leave them alone, kill them.
3) On our side? Trust, but verify.
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Yep.

And where I live, it's trust but verify.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at October 01, 2021 02:13 PM (hBjG3)

367 Sorry, what's a Frazetta?
Posted by: SMH -

Twunny bucks; same as in town.

Posted by: JT at October 01, 2021 02:13 PM (arJlL)

368 Like the "national divorce" creating India and Pakistan, the blue staters will follow the money and jobs to the red state and ruin that also.

Look at the difference between India (red state) and Pakistan (blue state).

Posted by: ploome at October 01, 2021 02:13 PM (9bzf/)

369 I'll tell ya what, this is China's wet dream. And don't think for a second that a guy like Milley wouldn't have a redrawn map with top targets in the hands of the Chinese within six seconds of some document being signed.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 01, 2021 02:13 PM (KbCG3)

370 Today, we have two United States, side by side, North and South, exchanging and working. We may not agree with all that North US is doing, but they are living in peace. I would look for a better human rights record for North USA, but they are living side by side.

Posted by: Sheila Jackson-Lee's brain parasites at October 01, 2021 02:02 PM (P4LRL)

it amazes me after twenty years no one has commented on her name.i don't think I have seen anyone on the right comment on it. And I won't be the first to do so. But yeah, I think it is an interesting name for a hard core leftist.

Posted by: quint at October 01, 2021 02:14 PM (EadwG)

371 Since its just a thought project, neither new country would claim the national debt. That goes to the old failed country and its dead. OTOH, the new countries could get loans from the world bank that they could get forgiven every few years, whoo hoo, we finally get something from the rest of the world.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 01, 2021 02:14 PM (r5BVk)

372 Sorry, I'm with Lincoln. A house divided against itself cannot stand. We don't lack the ability to change things, some lack the will and temerity for the fight. I hear so much pedestrian talk and anger about the situation we face. I hear very little about what people have materially done to change it. Anything of value, is worth fighting for. Fight to change things. Persevere. Never quit.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 01, 2021 02:14 PM (cSW7V)

373 Might need to purge Austin, Houston and Atlanta first.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 01, 2021 02:10 PM (YA914)

Don't forget Dallas

Posted by: MAC SOG'''' at October 01, 2021 02:14 PM (P4Pk9)

374 158 there were a natinal divorce, who do you think our internatinal allies would be?

news flash, we would not have any.
Posted by: confederatefifth at October 01, 2021 01:28 PM (K3ZCc)
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Texas has Embassies in England and France. iirc

Posted by: Braenyard at October 01, 2021 02:14 PM (ri5Bo)

375 "National divorce" is a weird fantasy that ignores how 75% of so-called conservative households have kids on a diet of social media, media, music, movies etc that's going to turn them liberal.

Give it 20 years and we'll have two far left nations instead of just one.

Posted by: BR at October 01, 2021 02:14 PM (CvB33)

376 China's licking their chops with this kind of talk. We better be cognizant that we're vulnerable at this juncture. Focus on the 2022 election being conducted fairly, otherwise we won't have one.

Posted by: Mean Tweets at October 01, 2021 02:14 PM (vGJY7)

377 In the New America Republic any politician offering money out of the public till for ANY REASON other then paying for a good or service at fair market value should be immediately arrested for theft.

A simple legal clarification that would have immediate positive ramifications.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 02:14 PM (DpkTQ)

378 Pentagon has wargamed it out and our side wins every time...
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 01, 2021 01:50 PM (Pz1gB)

Based on their track record, is that supposed to be comforting?
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it!

Yes. What America has come to represent and export is hated by the rest of the world. The People are not. The Pentagon is not wrong. They fear us. Why do you think the 3 letter agencies and every institution are behaving the way they are... they are not prepared. They needed more time.
I'm sure a false flag will occur soon being blamed on Iran with Israeli Intel verifying it to avoid Americans taking back their country tho.

Also, Trump had plans to turn over Afghanistan to the Taliban and use them to fight against Intel backed and created groups like ISIS and Al Q. You can find him publicly saying so while in office.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 01, 2021 02:15 PM (GQmun)

379 269 m, yeah I'm out in left field. Thanks. Love Al Green.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'here a variant there a variant, everywhere as variant!' at October 01, 2021 01:54 PM (RoIW/)

It's ALL good! I'm listening to Mary Wells and Marvin Gaye, "Together" (different song).

Posted by: m at October 01, 2021 02:15 PM (6dJKT)

380 If a split does occur and there are "infiltrators" that attempt to sow discord I would presume they would be dealt with "harshly."

Shot on sight works for me. Work for you?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 01, 2021 02:15 PM (BFigT)

381
An eagle can't fly with just one wing.

An owl can. I saw it on the ONT.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 01, 2021 02:15 PM (63Dwl)

382 "National divorce" is a weird fantasy that ignores how 75% of so-called conservative households have kids on a diet of social media, media, music, movies etc that's going to turn them liberal.

Give it 20 years and we'll have two far left nations instead of just one.
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Being entertained is more important to most people.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at October 01, 2021 02:15 PM (hBjG3)

383 358 It could be effected by casting off about a dozen sets of urban metropolitan counties located on water. About 2/3 of the population of North America would be located in a decentralized federation of the core, about 1/3 in a dozen or so city-states. The Canadian component would have ceremonial distinct from the Yank component.
Posted by: Art Deco at October 01, 2021 02:11 PM (1BrBu)

Exactly. We own the entire country, but we allow (for a certain amount of tribute) the city-states to occupy portions of land that are currently large cities. They operate independently under our protection.

Posted by: jwest at October 01, 2021 02:16 PM (/BlEx)

384 ___

Sorry, what's a Frazetta?
Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at October 01, 2021 02:08 PM (hBjG3)
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Sounds like an Italian machine gun.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 01, 2021 02:16 PM (ri5Bo)

385 The primary draw of the National Divorce strategy is that the competing "we'll just retake the government!" strategy has failed, utterly.

If we keep doing the same things, we'll keep failing the same ways.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 02:16 PM (DpkTQ)

386 "National divorce" is a weird fantasy that ignores how 75% of so-called conservative households have kids on a diet of social media, media, music, movies etc that's going to turn them liberal.

Give it 20 years and we'll have two far left nations instead of just one.

Posted by: BR at October 01, 2021 02:14 PM (CvB33)

there is something to that. i know so called conservatives, self named conservatives that are feeding their kids into that bullshit., But the key factor there is they live in lefty cities by choice. Really that is a major tell and explains a lot of things,.

Posted by: quint at October 01, 2021 02:16 PM (EadwG)

387 The idea is growing on me... ME! That is saying something.

Posted by: runner at October 01, 2021 02:16 PM (qREJU)

388 https://tinyurl.com/45j35r4u

Since China is being discussed, this is apropos. Is there a new Cultural Revolution in the offing, and if so, what does that portend for China's economy? Presumably nothing good, but that doesn't mean Xi isn't trying to do something really stupid.
Posted by: pep at October 01, 2021 01:55 PM (ZsR3z)

This probably needs a whole post. It will be interesting to see how the populace reacts to Pooh Bears pressure to go backwards. He may be making a miscalculation.

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 01, 2021 02:17 PM (M+Lyo)

389 m, yeah I'm out in left field. Thanks. Love Al Green.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'here a variant there a variant, everywhere as variant!' at October 01, 2021 01:54 PM (RoIW/)

It's ALL good! I'm listening to Mary Wells and Marvin Gaye, "Together" (different song).
Posted by: m

Don't forget Jackie Wilson.....

Posted by: JT at October 01, 2021 02:17 PM (arJlL)

390 China's licking their chops with this kind of talk. We better be cognizant that we're vulnerable at this juncture. Focus on the 2022 election being conducted fairly, otherwise we won't have one.
Posted by: Mean Tweets

China is nationalist and Anti-GloboHomoPedo. They help us to defeat the DC cabal and their useful idiots in this scenario.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 01, 2021 02:17 PM (tMT//)

391 You can't do that in American politics right now because political beliefs are religious beliefs and thus the Other is a heretic. And heretics are always sent off to burn.
Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at October 01, 2021 02:02 PM (mf5HN)

Less that and more that group psychology is not the sum of individual psychology. You can't have two wildly divergent views of the same country and have a country. It doesn't matter if you are nice to each other or not.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at October 01, 2021 02:17 PM (EpDzw)

392 I don't want a "National Divorce" mostly because it will be bloody and violent and it will open the way for China and Russia to dominate large parts of the world. But I think it is inevitable.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at October 01, 2021 02:18 PM (+Kpte)

393 Hell yes!

Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at October 01, 2021 02:18 PM (HkRDr)

394 Exactly. We own the entire country, but we allow (for a certain amount of tribute) the city-states to occupy portions of land that are currently large cities. They operate independently under our protection.

Posted by: jwest at October 01, 2021 02:16 PM

and, unable to feed themselves, they pay us dearly for their sustenance...

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 01, 2021 02:18 PM (DUIap)

395 Maybe, but the federal government would never deign to be limited by the powers granted under the Constitution.
Posted by: hogmartin

Ditto, pal.
At this point in time, the Federal Gov only uses the Constitution when it suits them to club the proles over the head. The 14th Amendment is the most typical club, which has been tortured to fit every need of the State.
There is too much money sloshing around in the Federal budget to allow anyone to act under any kind of princlple.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at October 01, 2021 02:18 PM (vcOmj)

396 Sorry, what's a Frazetta?
Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at October 01, 2021 02:08 PM (hBjG3)

Picture something that Eris would have airbrushed on the side of her van.

Posted by: hogmartin at October 01, 2021 02:18 PM (P4LRL)

397 First we make sure we get the SEC and the commies get the Pac 12.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 01, 2021 02:18 PM (r5BVk)

398 How do we divide the nuke pile?

Posted by: runner at October 01, 2021 02:18 PM (qREJU)

399 Population transfers, as history shows, are always peaceful and uneventful. That's the good news.
Posted by: Postwar Eastern Europe and India/Pakistan at October 01, 2021 02:07 PM (CdZ4i)

Between warring or non-allies - yes, migrations become contentious, but the US is allied with Great Britain and Canada, not at war with them. Any agreement that gave NE to Britain, Michigan and Illinois, some Washington, CA and Oregon counties to Canada, and the rest to a "new" US would be among allies. And believe me, the NE states identify with Britain more than the US and I doubt would mind being "European" at all, and the Pacific NW doesn't care, they smoke too much wacky tobacky to care if they are Canadian or Moon people...so it works!

Posted by: Boswell at October 01, 2021 02:18 PM (5iUNf)

400 Don't forget that Fedco is still the biggest land owner. A lot of prime real estate up for grabs when the divorce or burning times come. And probably closer than you think to where you live. I'm staking claim to a part of a national park near me with the restrooms.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 01, 2021 02:19 PM (4thlk)

401 This probably needs a whole post. It will be interesting to see how the populace reacts to Pooh Bears pressure to go backwards. He may be making a miscalculation.

Deng Xaioping created modern China by allowing for some economic freedom. And it stabilized the country after the nightmare of the Mao years. A Chinese national might be unhappy about their political freedom, but many can see serious improvements in their living standards over their grandparents.

Winnie the Xi is indeed taking a real risk.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 02:19 PM (DpkTQ)

402 352 Lol. They just fired our superintendent. He wanted to teach kids CRT. Parents said, nope. Guess who won?

Stand up for your rights. Get involved. It makes a difference.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 01, 2021 02:10 PM (cSW7V)

Excellent!

Posted by: m at October 01, 2021 02:19 PM (6dJKT)

403 Who gets access to fresh water from great lakes?

Posted by: runner at October 01, 2021 02:19 PM (qREJU)

404 This is why very few of us who did move out of blue states and have repeatedly told others to do the same
Posted by: Eric Schmidt
I agree with you. I am new to North Idaho. But even here, I see the same shxt coming. The shop where I buy wine, the quote unquote girl is wearing a name tag with her name and They/Them on it. And the shop is all about giving back to the community, not using plastic bags, blah blah blah. Yup, I will probably not go to that shop anymore. It is an example, many examples here.
The only suggestion I have, is using the donation registry, to somehow freeze out Dem businesses. You gave money to Biden? Okay, I am not going to do business with you.

Posted by: MikeM at October 01, 2021 02:19 PM (M/Wbj)

405 Thanks to Braenyard, a near-majority support secession.

Well, if it's Braenyard's doing, the solution is obvious!

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at October 01, 2021 02:19 PM (ZSK0i)

406 Make local elections in cities with over a certain population subject to a statewide vote. Today cities have an outsized impact on many states functionality. If Democrats want to corrupt the vote and allow things like illegal alien voting, how could a proposal allowing statewide voting for certain cities which have an outsized impact on all of the states residents be denied? Answer? It cant.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 01, 2021 02:20 PM (cSW7V)

407 Any civil war here will expand to include both Canada and Mexico. If you're going to reshape the boundaries then those are up for consideration too.

Posted by: Beartooth at October 01, 2021 02:20 PM (68WvR)

408 If Germany can outlaw the Nazi party and its symbols, then I don't see why a post-divorce conservative America can't outlaw the Communist party, its teachings and symbols, etc.

Posted by: Gran at October 01, 2021 02:20 PM (neaTX)

409 Who gets control of the international borders and overflight rights?

Posted by: runner at October 01, 2021 02:20 PM (qREJU)

410 Isn't there a movement in Oregon to have the eastern half secede and either form a new state or to join up with Idaho?

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at October 01, 2021 02:20 PM (mf5HN)

411 I wonder how this poll would look if taken a month after five hundred media figures were to disappear and the remaining be told to just tell the effing truth. No spin, no interpreting the news, just lay out the facts.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 01, 2021 02:20 PM (axyOa)

412 Ha! Sen Simena just bent over and spread her ass cheeks in Biden's general direction and left for home.

Posted by: Capital Eff at October 01, 2021 02:20 PM (dynG0)

413 Other than a handful of Republicans, I just don't trust enough of the GOP to let them lead anything, especially establishing a new country.

Posted by: Mean Tweets at October 01, 2021 02:20 PM (vGJY7)

414 it will open the way for China and Russia to dominate large parts of the world. But I think it is inevitable.

Europe's economy is strong enough to defend themselves from Russia.

And the same goes for the Pacific Rim and China...though someone needs to kick the national socialists out of OZ and NZ.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 02:20 PM (DpkTQ)

415 4 explosive devices found during traffic stop in Cleveland ; suspect says they were meant to kill rodents

I hate to see those rodents

Posted by: SMOD at October 01, 2021 02:21 PM (RHGPo)

416 Who gets access to fresh water from great lakes?
Posted by: runner at October 01, 2021 02:19 PM (qREJU)

Good question. I don't know. Who owns the mountains that coastal CA gets its water from?

Posted by: hogmartin at October 01, 2021 02:21 PM (P4LRL)

417 But the key factor there is they live in lefty cities by choice. Really that is a major tell and explains a lot of things

This keeps coming up again and again. Yes, some of us live in deep blue areas, but for most of us, there are very specific and non-negotiable reasons for doing so. It certainly isn't because we're "timid" or "lazy" or any of the other epithets that get tossed around.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 01, 2021 02:21 PM (2JVJo)

418 372 Sorry, I'm with Lincoln. A house divided against itself cannot stand. We don't lack the ability to change things, some lack the will and temerity for the fight. I hear so much pedestrian talk and anger about the situation we face. I hear very little about what people have materially done to change it. Anything of value, is worth fighting for. Fight to change things. Persevere. Never quit.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 01, 2021 02:14 PM (cSW7V)

Agreed. Letting off steam is good, though.

Posted by: m at October 01, 2021 02:21 PM (6dJKT)

419 and, unable to feed themselves, they pay us dearly for their sustenance...
Posted by: AltonJackson at October 01, 2021 02:18 PM (DUIap)

That would give them a new appreciation for those hick farmers, wouldn't it?

Posted by: jwest at October 01, 2021 02:21 PM (/BlEx)

420 I'll tell ya what, this is China's wet dream. And don't think for a second that a guy like Milley wouldn't have a redrawn map with top targets in the hands of the Chinese within six seconds of some document being signed.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 01, 2021 02:13 PM (KbCG3)

Who is to say that he wouldn't get fragged at that moment?

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at October 01, 2021 02:21 PM (vgwv+)

421 398 How do we divide the nuke pile?

Posted by: runner at October 01, 2021 02:18 PM (qREJU)

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Thanks to the Milk Chocolate Messiah, that isn't as big a problem as it would have been 20 years ago.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at October 01, 2021 02:21 PM (TNyrE)

422 Picture something that Eris would have airbrushed on the side of her van.
Posted by: hogmartin
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Ooookay, never seen her van, but I can imagine.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at October 01, 2021 02:21 PM (hBjG3)

423 Leftists would do what they do now--move to red areas to undermine them. There is no living with them, anywhere on the planet.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 01, 2021 02:21 PM (v9pBv)

424 357 It's be interesting to see what the Blue country decides to do with the Red areas in their territory. You know, the rural areas that feed it. My guess they go full Zimbabwe, with similar results.

Yep. I suspect their would be an immediate demand to end racial disparities in farming and you'd get a whole bunch of new black and hispanic farmers that know nothing about farming with the usual results.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 02:11 PM (DpkTQ)

See the Cultural Revolution. Actual doctors were beaten up, kids took over. Never ends well. Mao apparently loved it.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 01, 2021 02:22 PM (ynpvh)

425 372 Sorry, I'm with Lincoln. A house divided against itself cannot stand. We don't lack the ability to change things, some lack the will and temerity for the fight. I hear so much pedestrian talk and anger about the situation we face. I hear very little about what people have materially done to change it. Anything of value, is worth fighting for. Fight to change things. Persevere. Never quit.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 01, 2021 02:14 PM (cSW7V

Licoln was an incompetent psychotic in the grips of auditory hallucinations and delusions of grandeur. He could have just murked a few hundred bankers and equally psychotic English upper class monsters but he decided to bleed the country to assuage some imagined sins.

Posted by: Thesokorus at October 01, 2021 02:22 PM (A/nOj)

426 Good question. I don't know. Who owns the mountains that coastal CA gets its water from?
Posted by: hogmartin at October 01, 2021 02:21 PM (P4LRL)

I don't know. Who gets the gypsies ??

Posted by: runner at October 01, 2021 02:22 PM (qREJU)

427 Of course the simpler solution would be to obliterate the media, Silicon Valley and D.C. and that would cure most ills.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 01, 2021 02:22 PM (D6WMA)

428 You realize of course the people pushing this division the most, are the people who know it's the only way they can win. They are the same people running and ruining the country at the moment. No. Just no.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 01, 2021 02:23 PM (cSW7V)

429 To the people that don't believe it will ever happen. How do you think our debt issue resolves itself? How do you think it ends?

Posted by: lowandslow at October 01, 2021 02:23 PM (4thlk)

430 421 398 How do we divide the nuke pile?

Posted by: runner at October 01, 2021 02:18 PM (qREJU)

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Thanks to the Milk Chocolate Messiah, that isn't as big a problem as it would have been 20 years ago.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at October 01, 2021 02:21 PM (TNyrE)

Leave 'em where they are. Does that mean Red States end up with more? Oh well.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 01, 2021 02:23 PM (ynpvh)

431 4 explosive devices found during traffic stop in Cleveland ; suspect says they were meant to kill rodents

I hate to see those rodents
Posted by: SMOD at October 01, 2021 02:21 PM

There are ROUSs in Cleveland?!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 01, 2021 02:23 PM (m+jkK)

432 A National Divorce would probably take on the aspects of a split off of the last company I worked for.

The parent company gave the spinoff $2 billions in debt to take with them.

The Democrats would want to saddle the Republican nation with the entirety of the national debt.

Posted by: SMOD at October 01, 2021 02:23 PM (RHGPo)

433 Ha! Sen Simena just bent over and spread her ass cheeks in Biden's general direction and left for home.
Posted by: Capital Eff at October 01, 2021 02:20 PM (dynG0)
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So, this is Sinema and Biden - so I don't know if that's a good thing or not...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2021 02:23 PM (+IIqY)

434 Fox headline...How Parents Should Talk to Kids About Gabby Petito.

WTH???

Posted by: four seasons at October 01, 2021 02:23 PM (PisyI)

435 I would be more optimistic if I believed voting actually mattered.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 01, 2021 02:23 PM (r5BVk)

436 Who gets the National debt ??

Posted by: runner at October 01, 2021 02:23 PM (qREJU)

437 Sorry, I'm with Lincoln. A house divided against itself cannot stand. We don't lack the ability to change things, some lack the will and temerity for the fight. I hear so much pedestrian talk and anger about the situation we face. I hear very little about what people have materially done to change it. Anything of value, is worth fighting for. Fight to change things. Persevere. Never quit.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 01, 2021 02:14 PM (cSW7V)

I agree never quit. And when I talk about a national divorce it might not mean what it means to others,. I dont' want the nation to end, just for us to accept the reality and try not to bother each other. Basically back to the original idea of this country.

Also,Lincoln had a nation that was 98 percent one race. They were 90 percent one religion. They loved this nation and they revered the founders. They had the same nursery rhymes, they had the same Christmas songs. They still tore each other apart in the greatest bloodbath this nation has ever seen.

Posted by: quint at October 01, 2021 02:23 PM (EadwG)

438 I do wonder how the Socialist American People's Republic would function without the ability to steal from the Jesuslanders and blame everything on them.

We'd quickly see an immediate contest between the various factions on the grievance totem pool. Today Muslims vs Gender Fluid SoiBoys. Tomorrow Urban Yutes vs Cosmopolitan Right Thinking Elites and so on...

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 02:24 PM (DpkTQ)

439 My point is this. The people during the Civil War had MORE in common than Americans do today. It is not about race or religion. It is that we have lost a common love for this country,

we lost E Pluribus Unum.

Posted by: quint at October 01, 2021 02:24 PM (EadwG)

440 Who gets access to fresh water from great lakes?
Posted by: runner at October 01, 2021 02:19 PM (qREJU)

Good question. I don't know. Who owns the mountains that coastal CA gets its water from?
Posted by: hogmartin at October 01, 2021 02:21 PM (P4LRL

Same for the water in the Missouri even now its upper Missouri river states vs downstream states for water rights

Posted by: Beartooth at October 01, 2021 02:24 PM (68WvR)

441 While a national divorce seems lovely, how does the divorce take the power out of the corporations? We're supposed to "build our own internet"?

And can we require intelligence tests for voting? Like How many sexes are there? and if anyone completes the pronouns line on the voting application they are denied?

Posted by: Iris at October 01, 2021 02:24 PM (DibdT)

442 Anything of value, is worth fighting for. Fight to change things. Persevere. Never quit.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 01, 2021 02:14 PM (cSW7V)

Absolutely concur, but when the owners of the game change the rules so that only they can win, there is no other recourse.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 01, 2021 02:24 PM (axyOa)

443 I hate to see those rodents
Posted by: SMOD at October 01, 2021 02:21 PM

There are ROUSs in Cleveland?!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 01, 2021 02:23 PM (m+jkK)

Pfft. I don't believe they exist.

WHAAAAA!!!!!!

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at October 01, 2021 02:25 PM (dfRN6)

444 Who gets the National debt ??
Posted by: runner at October 01, 2021 02:23 PM (qREJU)
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No one. Oh, they'll split it up in some manner, equitable or not, but it won't matter. It defaults. A lot of people, institutions and countries go bankrupt or take a financial body blow. Credit evaporates for a generation or two. Everyone gets a haircut right down to the scalp.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 01, 2021 02:25 PM (+IIqY)

445 Good question. I don't know. Who owns the mountains that coastal CA gets its water from?
Posted by: hogmartin at October 01, 2021 02:21 PM (P4LRL)

Colorado?

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at October 01, 2021 02:25 PM (mf5HN)

446 The Democrats would want to saddle the Republican nation with the entirety of the national debt.
Posted by: SMOD at October 01, 2021 02:23 PM (RHGPo)

A new red nation would be able to pay it off within a generation, once the pipelines were built, federal lands sold or leased, and exports increased due to a massive reduction in regulations.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 01, 2021 02:25 PM (jOcSX)

447 So Dems are Socialist Fascists. I also say their Communists, Tyrants, and Dictatorial assholes. I guess those options were'nt in the survey.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)

I think properly, the label is National Socialists, with all that implies.
The German National Socialists were, in fact, corporatists, in that they allowed big and medium corporations to exist, as long as they did the governments bidding (Messerschmidt, Krups, etc).
In America these days, it is likely (but not completely proven) that lead people in key large banks and corporations are really running the country, and telling the Biden Junta what to do, because frankly all those people surrounding Biden are pretty lacking in any considerable brains.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at October 01, 2021 02:25 PM (vcOmj)

448 https://youtu.be/AZuPrQBSDCs

Fr. Kapaun. We need more men like him. A hero and a saint (some day soon)

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at October 01, 2021 02:25 PM (0OmEj)

449
Who gets access to fresh water from great lakes?

Posted by: runner at October 01, 2021 02:19 PM

we do

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 01, 2021 02:25 PM (DUIap)

450 People dream that peace and freedom can be gotten calmly by some sort of amicable split but the inherent problem is that the "leadership" has decided that they are a different superior species to notmies AND they control the media which affects the thoughts of many normals AND I think that on some level the "elites" realize that they have devolved into a class that can't do much besides decree and posture so a change in the system would render most of them obsolete so they are fighting to hold their places. And you can add in that their power has decreased to the central parts of large cities only. What we call Blur states are those where the city population outnumber the non city population. It's not the South vs the North or the East vs the Weat anymore

Posted by: azjaeger at October 01, 2021 02:25 PM (3/XaG)

451 Focus on the 2022 election being conducted fairly, otherwise we won't have one.
Posted by: Mean Tweets at October 01, 2021 02:14 PM (vGJY7)

Really? There is no way the 2022 election will be conducted fairly. None. They have repeatedly shown they will cheat to whatever level necessary.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at October 01, 2021 02:25 PM (EpDzw)

452 Who owns the mountains that coastal CA gets its water from?
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Chinatown???

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 01, 2021 02:26 PM (UHVv4)

453 The red states would have to get together and declare that the blue states are defacto in insurrection/rebellion and have left the union based on their own actions, and that the federal government has strayed so far from its authorizing documents as to be illegitimate so it can no longer be expected to restore our liberties seeing as it is the chief violator in that regard. A peaceful divorce would be the only remaining option given the corruption of the blue side and their unwillingness to accept that there must be equal justice, not equitable justice, under the law for every individual.

Otherwise the narrative will be Civil War 2.0 and the sore losers in the South are slinking off again.

There should also be mention of the fact that every black mark on the history of our country, where we have fallen most short of our ideals --- from slavery, to Jim Crow, to CRT --- has been due to the Democratic Party and the only way to remedy that is to provide separate homelands --- one where every man is free and equal, and one for those who would rather be ruled and live under a racist spoils system.

Posted by: Thatch at October 01, 2021 02:26 PM (qWceQ)

454 How do you think it ends?

Venezuela. Our grandkids are gonna have to eventually produce a Pinochet.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 01, 2021 02:26 PM (r5BVk)

455 I say we force them to form two countries, one on each coast.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at October 01, 2021 02:26 PM (EpDzw)

456 So, how do you divide the national debt when the country splits?Posted by: Thatch

What happens to the debt a company owes if it dissolves overnight? Absent a court system that could assign debt/liability, the creditors are fucked if they can't seize physical assets. However, the result would be that the dollar would be worthless and the international economy would turn into a shit show. China would step in and make everyone an offer to stabilize the economy and become the 'protector.'

And there are other important things to split like nuclear weapons, ports etc...

Red State areas should never give up ports ever. Those are worth fighting for. Nukes? It would come down to whoever has control over the codes and the Air Force I guess.

And it would be even messier for not splitting along state lines because large swaths of the blue states would not wish to be abandoned behind enemy lines,

Two choices: move or forcibly take territory away from the blue state.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 01, 2021 02:26 PM (1t5dY)

457 416 Who gets access to fresh water from great lakes?
Posted by: runner at October 01, 2021 02:19 PM (qREJU)

The Independent Socialist City-State of Detroit (currently Wayne County) would have access for their drinking water, or they could bargain to buy it from the red state counties of Macomb and Oakland. We're all about accommodation and cooperation in the New World.

Posted by: jwest at October 01, 2021 02:27 PM (/BlEx)

458 Best case scenario in 2022 is that every district that doesn't include a Big Blue shithole votes Red, and that more then half of the new Reps/Senators are actually conservative.

Which maybe slows our decent into National Socialism.

But...that's the best case.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 02:27 PM (DpkTQ)

459 436 Who gets the National debt ??

Posted by: runner at October 01, 2021 02:23 PM (qREJU)

The Chinese can keep what they bought, for all I care.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 01, 2021 02:27 PM (ynpvh)

460 I have no problems with a national divorce because it has already happened. When Trump was president how many cities and states said they would no abide? How many cities said I don't care what you say,we will resist. Shit the Dems are resisting their own border patrol.

Who thinks it will get better the nest time a Repub is elected? Are the lefties going to have fewer rallies? Who forgets the rallies before Trump even got inaugaurated? I promise you I don't forget them. Ugly women with pink hats.

If we did that to Obama it would be in the Hague.

Posted by: quint at October 01, 2021 02:28 PM (EadwG)

461 Fuck Lincoln, I hope Texas goes one way or another - and trust me, we can sort the blue areas - they already fly these refugees for free wherever they want to go.

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at October 01, 2021 02:28 PM (oWBc3)

462 Biden is on his way to the basement on Capitol Hill to meet with the Dem caucus

Posted by: redridinghood at October 01, 2021 02:28 PM (NpAcC)

463 >>>Fox headline...How Parents Should Talk to Kids About Gabby Petito.

WTH???

Posted by: four seasons at October 01, 2021 02:23 PM (PisyI)

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Same as always. Never go with a guy in a white van.

Posted by: Now they tell me at October 01, 2021 02:28 PM (EGngb)

464 Libs will get CO, CA, NV.. that's a lot of good real estate and natural resources. And we get Arkansas....hmmmm

Posted by: runner at October 01, 2021 02:28 PM (qREJU)

465 440 Who gets access to fresh water from great lakes?
Posted by: runner at October 01, 2021 02:19 PM (qREJU)

Good question. I don't know. Who owns the mountains that coastal CA gets its water from?
Posted by: hogmartin at October 01, 2021 02:21 PM (P4LRL

Same for the water in the Missouri even now its upper Missouri river states vs downstream states for water rights

Posted by: Beartooth at October 01, 2021 02:24 PM (68WvR)

Same for Colorado River water. one of the reasons Coloradans are NOT allowed to save runoff in barrels is because that water is promised, via agreements with other states, to the States, not the people.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 01, 2021 02:29 PM (ynpvh)

466 It's coming whether you want it to or not. The left are busy preparing for it. Why else do you think they are frantically purging right wingers from the military and police? As usual, the right sits around and debates the details while the left acts.

People imagine a replay of CWI, but it will look very different. It will most probably happen gradually, on a state by state basis. Imagine a scenario where the feds outlaw guns. (Not hard to, eh?) Or they try to enforce a vaccine mandate. Texas and/or Florida tell them to F off. Are the feds going to send in troops?

Red states should be preparing for the inevitable now. Prepping contingency plans for cut-offs of social security funds, for example. Or getting their national guard units ready to operate independently of the federal military.

As for red staters living in blue states (and vice versa), get ready to move. Better to move now, actually. The India-Pakistan split saw some 20 million people move in a short period.

The alternative is for the entire nation to turn deep blue. Because that is the left's end game. You may want to live and let live, but that's a pipe dream.

Posted by: Rusty Trawler at October 01, 2021 02:29 PM (1gif2)

467 Who gets the ~~children~~ nukes?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 01, 2021 02:29 PM (yQpMk)

468 Lol. They just fired our superintendent. He wanted to teach kids CRT. Parents said, nope. Guess who won?

Where are you?

Posted by: pep at October 01, 2021 02:29 PM (ZsR3z)

469 "So, how do you divide the national debt when the country splits?"

Show me where I signed something. Where is my signature? I don't owe shit. I don't have so much as a car payment.

Posted by: delurking one more once at October 01, 2021 02:30 PM (aAP3z)

470 The Democrats would want to saddle the Republican nation with the entirety of the national debt.
Posted by: SMOD at October 01, 2021 02:23 PM (RHGPo)

It doesn't have to be like that...proportionment could be worked out with the Allies that absorb the NE and the Pacific NW part of the debt. Let's say that No. VA, SE PA, NY, NJ, CT, RI, NH, VT and Maine all agree to join Great Britain and become British subjects, then Great Britain absorbs the pro-rata portion of the debt based on previous federal $$ spent in those states or counties the National Debt is currently outstanding, but they get all the GDP and tax revenue these idiots generate...same for Illinois and Michigan, the Washington, Oregon and CA counties that get absorbed by Canada...the rest goes to the 'new" US...guess who will be fiscally solvent first?

Posted by: Boswell at October 01, 2021 02:30 PM (5iUNf)

471 352 Lol. They just fired our superintendent. He wanted to teach kids CRT. Parents said, nope. Guess who won?

Stand up for your rights. Get involved. It makes a difference.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 01, 2021 02:10 PM (cSW7V)
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Stars and Stripes playing in the background

Posted by: Braenyard at October 01, 2021 02:30 PM (ri5Bo)

472 469 "So, how do you divide the national debt when the country splits?"

Show me where I signed something. Where is my signature? I don't owe shit. I don't have so much as a car payment.

Posted by: delurking one more once at October 01, 2021 02:30 PM (aAP3z)

The ones that ran up the debt deserve it: DC.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 01, 2021 02:30 PM (ynpvh)

473 Licoln was an incompetent psychotic in the grips of auditory hallucinations and delusions of grandeur. He could have just murked a few hundred bankers and equally psychotic English upper class monsters but he decided to bleed the country to assuage some imagined sins.

Posted by: Thesokorus

Thankyou, Mr. Larouche.

Posted by: pep at October 01, 2021 02:30 PM (ZsR3z)

474 No, no, no. The Left gets nothing. We keep the 50 states, they get safe transport to Canada. Or Afghanistan. Cede no ground.

Posted by: joefl65 at October 01, 2021 02:30 PM (FcrV3)

475 Wolverines !

Posted by: The guy who yells Wolverines ! at October 01, 2021 02:30 PM (M+Lyo)

476 This is why very few of us who did move out of blue states and have repeatedly told others to do the same will not care very much about those who refused to leave. You love your house and beach access more than freedom? Your choice. Do not expect me to send my sons to rescue you.

Posted by: Eric Schmidt at October 01, 2021 02:09 PM (ulaXh)

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Well said, Eric. I've been telling conservatives who've yet to escape blue shitholes -- like we did 8 years ago -- while there's still time that (stealing from Tom Servo IIRC) they're like Jews living in 1939 Berlin.

Posted by: ShainS -- Unauthorized Freedom Exhibitionist at October 01, 2021 02:31 PM (nBHrx)

477 I hate to see those rodents
Posted by: SMOD at October 01, 2021 02:21 PM

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They're singing...

I'm alright
Nobody worry 'bout me
Why you gotta give me a fight?
Why can't you just let me be?

Posted by: Just Lily at October 01, 2021 02:31 PM (vivhj)

478 11 The Socialists can have the West Coast, Michigan and Illinois, and the Northeast along with Hawaii.

Everything else nope.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2021 01:20 P

NO! We keep our Michigan, with its access to fresh water and most of the Great Lakes. If Illinois wants to go, let them. We can invade and take Cairo, Massac-Metropolis, and their other ports if we coordinate with Ohio.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at October 01, 2021 02:31 PM (fxCK2)

479 Biggest problem are those at the edges. Some people will have to move. How is that worked out fairly? Land/house swap? Flat payment? Ignore the problem and make those who need to make their own arrangements and tough shit?

That right there will affect whether the numbers in favor are enough.

Or does the land have to be continuous? I would guess yes would be better in the long run but then lots of people will be forced to leave their homes or be targets from then on.

Posted by: jakee308 at October 01, 2021 02:31 PM (ACz8/)

480 And yes, the old labels of D and R, and left and right, and communist and capitalist have become obsolete and mostly serve as markers with no more meaning than gang colors. There are only two real sides, traditional freedom valuing individualists and collective corporate fascists. Supporters either want freedom or will sacrifice freedom to be taken care of.

Posted by: azjaeger at October 01, 2021 02:32 PM (3/XaG)

481 477 I hate to see those rodents
Posted by: SMOD at October 01, 2021 02:21 PM
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They're singing...

I'm alright
Nobody worry 'bout me
Why you gotta give me a fight?
Why can't you just let me be?
Posted by: Just Lily at October 01, 2021 02:31 PM (vivhj)

I thought that only worked for gophers.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 01, 2021 02:32 PM (ynpvh)

482 Posted by: Thatch at October 01, 2021 02:26 PM (qWceQ)

yet that racist party says otherwise and people mostly agree. They are Tammany,they know how to get dug in deep. There is a reason they have so much power with so few actually caring. They are way better than us at this stuff. It was likely Reagan when we could say we we had better political pros.

Posted by: quint at October 01, 2021 02:32 PM (EadwG)

483 So, the nukes....in CO....

Posted by: runner at October 01, 2021 02:32 PM (qREJU)

484 446 The Democrats would want to saddle the Republican nation with the entirety of the national debt.
Posted by: SMOD at October 01, 2021 02:23 PM (RHGPo)

There wouldn't be any "national debt". That country that took on so much debt wouldn't exist anymore. Anyone holding the notes would be fucked.

As far as where the borders are, just pull out a precinct map of the U.S. see where the dozen socialist city-states are. All the rest of the country is the United American States.

Posted by: jwest at October 01, 2021 02:32 PM (/BlEx)

485 nood guest post Joe Mannix

Posted by: m at October 01, 2021 02:32 PM (6dJKT)

486 Hey everybody. Hey ace.

I've been noticing for quite some time that Demshits like splitting off more and more. Even Sarah Silverman, who I would have figured wants to keep the red states just to enslave them, turned out a few weeks ago in a podcast to support the idea. She even sounded sad about it. If she's convince-able, then I'd guess a ton of other lefties are.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 01, 2021 02:32 PM (L2ZTs)

487 352 Lol. They just fired our superintendent. He wanted to teach kids CRT. Parents said, nope. Guess who won?

Stand up for your rights. Get involved. It makes a difference.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 01, 2021 02:10 PM (cSW7V)
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That's great, keep up the good fight. I can't believe that these lefty kooks think parents are not stakeholders in their education. These people are fucking communists.

Posted by: The guy who yells Wolverines ! at October 01, 2021 02:33 PM (M+Lyo)

488 nood Joe Mannix
yech!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 01, 2021 02:33 PM (UHVv4)

489 483 So, the nukes....in CO....

Posted by: runner at October 01, 2021 02:32 PM (qREJU)

Biden will give them to our friends, the Farsis and the Chinese.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 01, 2021 02:33 PM (ynpvh)

490 I imagine the resulting countries that form after the divorce would need to recreate whatever political system (if any) they want from scratch.

That might be interesting...

Oh, and current sitting politicos are forbidden from holding office in my new country. Martini Land.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 01, 2021 02:33 PM (BFigT)

491 nood Joe Mannix
yech!
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 01, 2021 02:33 PM (UHVv4)

Lol

Posted by: runner at October 01, 2021 02:34 PM (qREJU)

492 CA counties that get absorbed by Canada...the rest goes to the 'new" US...guess who will be fiscally solvent first?
Posted by: Boswell at October 01, 2021 02:30 PM (5iUNf)
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Not all of the West Coast.
New America get's half of it.
They can have the deserts and the mountains but we keep the coast.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 01, 2021 02:34 PM (ri5Bo)

493 I thought that only worked for gophers.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 01, 2021 02:32 PM (ynpvh)

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Any rodent. Gophers, rats, socialists, Marxists, what have you.

Posted by: Just Lily at October 01, 2021 02:34 PM (vivhj)

494 Libs don't get CO, they get a flag pole to Denver/Boulder thru Utah. No way the red counties stay with the commies.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 01, 2021 02:34 PM (r5BVk)

495 Funny thing about the nukes - they are a bigger danger to the Big Blue Shitholes.

I would presume the first thing the Socialist American People's Republic would want to do is make sure there is an agreement to not use them no matter what.

A single city buster on NYT would remove 10M leftists in one go.

Note: Unlike Swallwell I'm not arguing that the anyone should use nukes within the borders of the former US.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 01, 2021 02:34 PM (DpkTQ)

496 446 The Democrats would want to saddle the Republican nation with the entirety of the national debt.
Posted by: SMOD at October 01, 2021 02:23 PM (RHGPo)

A new red nation would be able to pay it off within a generation, once the pipelines were built, federal lands sold or leased, and exports increased due to a massive reduction in regulations.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 01, 2021 02:25 PM (jOcSX)

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No. In the new red country we say "no." And we mean it. Or "no and shove it up your ass" your choice.

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 01, 2021 02:34 PM (DcKNO)

497 The blue cities would have to become their own nations and form an EU-like alliance.

The remainder of red counties and red states could split off, but having said that, there's still real differences IMHO. Reddies in Idaho may have very different priorities than reddies in Alabama and Florida. We'd be likely to end up with at least four new individual nations, I think.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 01, 2021 02:34 PM (L2ZTs)

498 A civil war would be one sided. Blues would sue for peace within days, but reds would demand unconditional surrender.

Posted by: It sucks to be a sheep at October 01, 2021 02:35 PM (eYBPZ)

499 So, the nukes....in CO....
Posted by: runner at October 01, 2021 02:32 PM (qREJU)

CO becomes part of the 'new' US, if you want to be a pot smoking Canuck - join the new Canadian territories of King County, WA or Portland, OR or the Pacific Coast counties of CA - or decide you want duel citizenship, but CO is ours...

Posted by: Boswell at October 01, 2021 02:35 PM (5iUNf)

500 Actually, I'm sure Joe is very cute, runner.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 01, 2021 02:36 PM (UHVv4)

501 I thought that the Schlicter novel was throwing out a lot of red meat, how badly things go for blue America. Then I thought about East Germany and decided he had it about right.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 01, 2021 02:37 PM (/hXfz)

502 nd their other ports if we coordinate with Ohio.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at
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Ohio will go with PA to England.
Old Ohio is lost and gone forever.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 01, 2021 02:37 PM (ri5Bo)

503 Not all of the West Coast.
New America get's half of it.
They can have the deserts and the mountains but we keep the coast.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 01, 2021 02:34 PM (ri5Bo)

Yes, that's right, only the very Pacific Coast Counties of WA, Oregon and CA go to Canada, the rest is ours!

Posted by: Boswell at October 01, 2021 02:38 PM (5iUNf)

504 Also,Lincoln had a nation that was 98 percent one race. They were 90 percent one religion. They loved this nation and they revered the founders. They had the same nursery rhymes, they had the same Christmas songs. They still tore each other apart in the greatest bloodbath this nation has ever seen.

Posted by: quint

Then, as now, about 14-15% of the country were African Americans, then called slaves, then Freedmen after the end of the war. But your point is essentially correct, in that culturally, the country was a lot more homogenous than now.
DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH! Well, no it's really not. It makes everyone kind of insecure.
I have a co-worked who is Indian (sub continent) and is really a very nice guy, who I like a lot. But I think if we dug down, a lot of his basic ideas about life would be different than mine.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at October 01, 2021 02:38 PM (vcOmj)

505 People imagine a replay of CWI, but it will look very different.

Posted by: Rusty Trawler at October 01, 2021 02:29 PM

This.

Tell people there's going to be CW2, they envision The Army of Iowa marching against the Illinois Collective Defense Forces, or the Monroe County Militia laying siege to Toledo

instead, the nastiness of the business will be more like Bosnia...eight apartments in you building and five of them decide the other three have to go

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 01, 2021 02:39 PM (DUIap)

506 I would bet big money that those saying to red staters in blue states; tough shit move are those who either already were in a red state or had the money and moved their.

And I say that If I'm to be given the finger on the subject then you all can scratch for your division. It's not possible for me to move for a whole lot of reasons and if no accommodation is thought of then I'll vote with the community I'm in regardless just to fvck your solution up. That will be the first test.

Oh and the beginning must be some kind of vote by everyone as either a region or a state as to which group they would belong to.

Posted by: jakee308 at October 01, 2021 02:39 PM (ACz8/)

507 The system designed to oppress black people is one where people (including most blacks, but also whites) are incentivized to make babies without working or marrying, thereby insuring those babies come to grief & cause others grief.

It is a cruel system of public services, transfer payments & entitlements that yielded multiple generations of young men raised without fathers, who have predictably visited all kinds of hell and torment on the innocents around them.

Addressing sentencing guidelines, 3-strikes, etc., Donald J. Trump was the ONLY politician of either party to ever do anything about these flaws. Neither Bush would touch it. Clintons & Obama wouldn't touch it. McCain & Romney were asleep at the wheel for decades. Biden & Harris, each in their own way, contributed monumentally to the problem the Atlantic describes. Only Trump tried to fix it.

But fixing those procedural flaws won't lift the burden of being poor and black in America. Only reversing the racist blue-state social model will help.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at October 01, 2021 02:39 PM (GD2xa)

508 NO! We keep our Michigan, with its access to fresh water and most of the Great Lakes. If Illinois wants to go, let them. We can invade and take Cairo, Massac-Metropolis, and their other ports if we coordinate with Ohio.
Posted by: NaughtyPine

Ohio has the Abrams tank factory, in Lima. Where else in America will they be able to build heavy armor?

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at October 01, 2021 02:40 PM (vcOmj)

509 15 years ago I saw the simmering cracks in the country start to expand as the Left and the Right starting beating each other over the head the post 9/11 developments. 10 years ago I smelled the bad air brewing in the country in response to the near economic collapse, the rising Marxism, especially in the under 40 group, and the Big O stoking the divisions. Then 5 years ago all hell broke loose when Trump was elected. In those 10 years I went thinking we had a country to thinking it is either civil war or divorce. The bottom is out of the bucket; these two camps ceased having a common national purpose and unless something changes the Left will kill everyone on the Right if given half a chance. Better to bid each other bitter adieus and get on with living. At a minimum, this approach will provide clear borders to defend when the Left comes after the part of the country they didn't get.

Posted by: LostInSpace at October 01, 2021 02:40 PM (ESLBo)

510 Oops. I omitted my opening sentence to the diatribe above:

Claremont misses the point about how too many black men in prison represents systemic racism. It does, but not in the way that any woketard thinks.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at October 01, 2021 02:40 PM (GD2xa)

511 Ohio will go with PA to England.
Old Ohio is lost and gone forever.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 01, 2021 02:37 PM (ri5Bo)

They can fucking move in the "Great Migration Agreement" between Great Britain and the "new" US of 2025...SE PA (Philly) goes to the red coats, so sell your shit hovel in Cleveland and move to King of Prussia...

Posted by: Boswell at October 01, 2021 02:40 PM (5iUNf)

512 It's not me, it's you.
FJB

Posted by: jbspry at October 01, 2021 02:41 PM (ATe9j)

513 Oh and the Pakistan/East Pakistan split won't work because most of those populations did not have much physically. The poor are easier to move than those who own something.

And if the attitude is tough shit to those that have property then that says a lot about how the attitude of the new nation would be and I ain't joining a bunch of punks like that. Property rights are the foundation of any nation. Those that ignore or don't care much about property rights are the poorest and the most authoritarian in nature. Take a look around.

Posted by: jakee308 at October 01, 2021 02:42 PM (ACz8/)

514 jakee, I think you just illustrated a major difference between the two proposed new nations.

In Blue America there won't be any property rights there within 10 years. In Red America property rights will be all but sacred.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 01, 2021 02:44 PM (L2ZTs)

515 'A national divorce'? I've been divorced. I didn't know it was a bloody tooth-and-claw deathmatch until my now ex-wife tried and almost succeeded in destroying my life. So when I think 'divorce', I don't think of an amicable parting of the ways. I think scorched earth. I think cataclysmic bloodbath. And I'm probably right.

We're staring down the barrel of a civil war that will make the first one look like a paintball match. The Left are Marxists. Marxists (1) never willingly give up power and (2) always strive to murder and gulag all of their opponents. You think Swalwell was joking when he brought up nukes as a way to end 'domestic terrorism'? He wasn't. They'll do it in a heartbeat.

So no, whatever it's going to be, it won't be 'a national divorce'.

Posted by: troyriser at October 01, 2021 02:45 PM (pYLCQ)

516 Ohio has the Abrams tank factory, in Lima. Where else in America will they be able to build heavy armor?
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at October 01, 2021 02:40 PM (vcOmj)

Ohio stays with the US along with its manufacturing. Illinois and Michigan can go though, they're probably all drinking Molsens right now anyway...its Friday, you know.

Well, except in Chicago, where this afternoon marks the start of their two day "Festival of Murder."

Posted by: Boswell at October 01, 2021 02:45 PM (5iUNf)

517 Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at October 01, 2021 02:38 PM (vcOmj)

I appreciate the correction and expected it. The CSA was about 1/3 slave and African American. My commentary was about the free people but I did not make that clear. In fact, the Union states, the states that stayed true to the Union and many think were formed to stomp out slavery were not 98 percent white. They were 98.8 percent white. I say that because it is history and it shows what happened.

I think the war was just even with the Hell if brought down. My fear is this country has way less in common, many fewer ties that bind. That was my point there.

Posted by: quint at October 01, 2021 02:45 PM (EadwG)

518 I was going to share this with Jeff Wells (who supports secession), but then realized, let that leftist asshole find his own fcuking content.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 01, 2021 02:47 PM (L2ZTs)

519 while nearly half of Democrats in the Pacific region and 40% in the Northeast felt the same.
......

Who's gonna pay for their welfare?

Posted by: wth at October 01, 2021 02:50 PM (v0R5T)

520 qdpSteve,
Property rights are sacred.
No one has the right to own you
Your stuff is part of you.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 01, 2021 02:50 PM (ri5Bo)

521 Braenyard, I agree. :-)

Problem is the other side entirely disagrees and seems happier and happier to put their guns in your face to prove it.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 01, 2021 02:52 PM (L2ZTs)

522 My other problem with the supposed national divorce is it's the desired result of leftists and traitors who are overrepresented through election fraud and the MSM. They're a smaller minority than what's popularly known. A divorce was designed by them and our foreign enemies to divide and conquer us.

Posted by: Brisco County Sr at October 01, 2021 02:55 PM (Y0wT4)

523 Divorce wouldn't be necessary if we took federalism seriously. Very big "if".

Posted by: Nemo at October 01, 2021 02:58 PM (S6ArX)

524 Someone wanna 'splain to me how the Ameican military---bases, soldiers, equipment, munitions----would get divvied up?

Peacefully, I'm sure....

Posted by: Noam Sayen at October 01, 2021 02:59 PM (fPFtn)

525 Could be a national divorce, could end up being a double-suicide.

Posted by: West at October 01, 2021 03:00 PM (QY+6a)

526 I was told we get USA1

Posted by: havel at October 01, 2021 03:06 PM (WfuTe)

527 i prefer to call it the "realignment of states" and when it happens the 85 percent of the counties that voted for trump and make up red america will band together to form a new entity that will have: all the water all the food all the energy all the raw materials all the transportation networks none of the abortion clinics none of the gay weddings none of the transgender bathrooms all the gun and ammo manufacturers more than our fair share of the military bases and most importantly: a rewritten 2nd amendment that will guarantee that theres a magazine fed semiautomatic centerfire caliber rifle behind every blade of grass ready to heap carnage upon carnage on any body or any thing that threatens our freedoms liberty and way of life

Posted by: sound awake at October 01, 2021 03:12 PM (4uCfm)

528 Divorce isn't workable. It's called the United States for a reason. We fought a Civil War in part to ensure the country remains united.

THE LEFT needs to be purged. There is no basis for interaction with the radicals. The bedrock--that which allowed us to flourish and become the most exceptional country on the planet--the Declaration of Independence, The Bill of Rights, the Constitution plus the most unique political system in history still exist.

All have been obscured and subverted by the slime currently in ascendance. THEY get to go.

Posted by: irongrampa at October 01, 2021 03:12 PM (KATBx)

529 We would need three new nations: one for liberals, one for conservatives, and one for fake conservatives.

Posted by: Captain Oblivious at October 01, 2021 03:18 PM (Astxw)

530 The minute after the separation the blue states would start to meddle in the red states, seeking to overthrow them. Greater federalism is the best option.

Posted by: Jeff M at October 01, 2021 03:52 PM (VDClL)

531 Can't happen heeeeere
Can't happen here
All that you fear, tellin' you
It can't happen here

Posted by: Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow at October 01, 2021 03:53 PM (KX4VP)

532 Who gets all you guy's wifes' black sons in the national divorce?

Posted by: Dogbot's Ghost at October 01, 2021 03:58 PM (7E3C4)

533 Does this also mean no more Pledge of Allegiance?
What about taking a knee at football games?
Ace used to be real big on nationalism maybe not so much now

Posted by: Kurt at October 01, 2021 04:04 PM (h/vLr)

534 I invented the term National Divorce...and the question mark!

Posted by: Doctor Evil's Delusional Distaff at October 01, 2021 04:17 PM (7DitK)

535 Thankyou, Mr. Larouche.
Posted by: pep at October 01, 2021 02:30 PM (ZsR3z)

You're welcome dude. Even though your response was wrong and facile and bitchy.

Posted by: Thesokorus at October 01, 2021 04:27 PM (1ais2)

536 Let's do it. But let us do it in a manner that takes all voters into consideration. Every state has, for lack of a better comparison, Red and Blue voters. Let us get into the real "nitty gritty". Let us divide the country by COUNTY. Majority voted by each county wins. Four of the five boroughs of NY will remain staunchly blue, as will Albany county, Rochester and Buffalo as well as the finger lakes region. The rest of the state is red. Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota- all big cities go blue, most other counties red. What you will have is a large red map with specks of blue. Starve them out. Stop deliveries of food and goods. Block resevoirs. Divert the electrical power grid. In a matter of days after session, they will capitulate. Imagine, no power, no water, no food, no cell phones, no internet. It might only take hours.

Posted by: Chiefwhitebear at October 01, 2021 04:56 PM (z/Qpy)

537 No. We take ALL. Through force of arms.

Posted by: Ronald Miller at October 01, 2021 04:57 PM (5yvCS)

538 The only beneficiary of a "National Divorce" is the Chinese Slave Empire.

The Blue States will turn to the Chinese Empire for economic and military support. They will attack and conquer the Red States with Chinese support. The country is reunified but with all those pesky Constitutional and democratic constraints. The Democrats will Rule as full blown autocrats as Chinese vassals.

What Lincoln meant with the House Divided speech was NOT that the country would splinter, but that it would eventually have to be unified, either all Free or all Slave. A National Divorce will lead to the latter.

Posted by: Jack Howard at October 01, 2021 05:24 PM (jbvxJ)

539 Texit can be legal and peaceful.

The US should try to keep the Mississippi river itself, but there's no real need to fight to keep the south. It offers very little economic value, it is an archaic society best left to decline on its own.

Posted by: Marco von Darko at October 01, 2021 06:24 PM (blR7B)

540 Maybe we could just return to the original constitution and let the states have more sovereignty than now.
Fresh start!

Posted by: Terri Ann Goon at October 01, 2021 06:42 PM (WL+Nn)

541 I'd like to point out, for what it's worth, but none of the nuclear stockpiles are kept in cities. In fact - they aren't even city adjacent. In fact, they are kept in places which have more in common politically than any of those cities have with the closest area where nuclear weapons reside.

You know, in case anyone wants to seriously contemplate how heavy explosives might be leveraged in case of a National Divorce.

Posted by: Alexander Williams at October 01, 2021 06:46 PM (wFFgr)

542 I'm still for the initial trial separation first. We give up western Washington and Oregon (since the eastern most parts want to leave and join Idaho anyway) and they become thier own country. Everyone who wants to leave can come to the US, and all lefties can go and join the communist utopia. And in a show of good faith we'll even give them a severance package to get them started.

The thing is everyone who stays/ wants to live there, has to renounce thier US citizenship. You lose everything tied to this country, and you won't be able to travel back here, as you're now part of a terrorist country.

There's no reason to create s conservative version of this, because conservatives want to live in America, why should we leave.

Then to get back to 50 states we split California in two, and Upstate NY becomes its own state, separate from NYC and Long Island.

We can also offer these states to Canada, with a 1 to 1 trade for people who love freedom from there, in exchange for our commies fuckwits.

Posted by: Rbastid at October 01, 2021 08:04 PM (qlQ1E)

543 Orwell's last warning.

https://www.bitchute.com /video/F1SduaXCq7uw/

Posted by: Beverly at October 01, 2021 10:52 PM (DV6cE)

544 I don't want anyone to leave the Union. I DO want the authority to throw someone out, though!

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