The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition

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The epidemiological data are hopelessly confused by the huge number of CCP flu tests done for sometimes ridiculous reasons, the terrible accuracy of the tests themselves (is it CCP flu or is it Memorex?), the use of positive tests as an indicator of disease, the inaccurate reporting of deaths, and the general politicization of the entire issue.

But there is a reasonable assumption that CCP flu will behave pretty much like other viral illnesses and moderate, then disappear into the background of many other seasonal illnesses. Just look at the data from the 1968-1969 Hong Kong Flue epidemic, and farther back to 1957 and 1918-1919 for support of that theory.

Former FDA commissioner said summer spike is likely last COVID-19 wave to hit US

"I think this Delta wave is probably the last major surge of SARS-CoV-2 infection that we have in the U.S., barring something unexpected happening," said Scott Gottlieb, author of Uncontrolled Spread, in a book on the U.S. response to the pandemic.

"It's largely coursed its way through the U.S., and so maybe by Thanksgiving , on the back-end of that, we'll start to see prevalence levels nationally decline in a more uniform scale," Gottlieb said.


So...just like all of the other "pandemics of the past 100+ years. Nothing groundbreaking here, but it is a welcome note of sanity and rational analysis in a world gone mad with fearmongering and power-grabs and the use of the epidemic as a bludgeon against freedom and autonomy from government.

And look at this little tidbit! Again, nothing new, but it is gratifying to see a little data that confounds the smug and arrogant pronouncements from the mediocre thinkers of our political elite. How can high vaccination rates correspond to rising cases (if that is even true)? It must be Trump's fault!

A signal of the pandemic's direction is how it will affect the northeastern states, where cases are expected to rise despite that region being the most heavily vaccinated, Gottlieb added.

"I still think that Delta is going to sweep through the Northeast," he said.


A nice logical commentary based on solid theories. So far...so good!

But then the grift appears.

The difficulty is getting the rest of the world vaccinated , Gottlieb, a member of the Pfizer Inc. board of directors, said.
If rising cases correspond to high vaccination rates, then what exactly is the advantage of worldwide vaccination? Obviously, prioritizing high-risk people makes sense, because the data show that vaccination seems to decrease serious illness and hospitalization. But a world-wide push -- by definition -- will delay those high-risk populations from being vaccinated. And because natural immunity is robust and perhaps much longer lasting than vaccine immunity, allowing the natural progression of a self-limiting disease in low-risk populations is probably the best way to limit Wuhan Lung Rot.

There is a big difference between supporting vaccination, and pushing world-wide vaccination at the expense of exactly those groups who are at vastly elevated risk compared to most people. It is akin to mandating that every car in the world be outfitted with child seats, even though only a small percentage of those cars will ever be used to carry children. So the installation of those seats in cars that actually need them will be delayed, and maybe some children will die. But damn, that omelet was great!

Is it some insidious and 100% infectious syndrome that causes this inexorable pivot to craven grasping grifts in every single politician and government lackey? Do they all go to some secret school where they learn the magic of how to pad their pockets while injuring the institution they are sworn to protect and defend?

Or is it some sleazy self-selection process that attracts only people predisposed to crookedness and dishonor and immorality?

Maybe both?

Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM




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1 First!

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at October 07, 2021 10:01 AM (z5Vrg)

2 Second

Posted by: Cosda at October 07, 2021 10:01 AM (y3kew)

3 This whole affair has pretty well convinced me that the idea of a worldwide pandemic that wipes out humanity is probably overblown. Kind of like zombies. More an invention of active imaginations than having any real tie to how diseases spread.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with a brand new work computer at October 07, 2021 10:02 AM (LvTSG)

4 "Gottlieb, a member of the Pfizer Inc. board of directors, said."

Well there's your answer.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at October 07, 2021 10:03 AM (z5Vrg)

5 Top 10 and still not jabbed ;-)

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - Not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at October 07, 2021 10:03 AM (auaRo)

6 Our benevolent overlords must keep us in fear forever until we cure death.

Posted by: NR Pax at October 07, 2021 10:04 AM (4olE8)

7 The difficulty is getting the rest of the world vaccinated , Gottlieb, a member of the Pfizer Inc. board of directors, said.


The stupid, it burns.

Posted by: Count de Monet, unvaccinated Kulak-American at October 07, 2021 10:04 AM (4I/2K)

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This whole affair has pretty well convinced me that the idea of a worldwide pandemic that wipes out humanity is probably overblown. Kind of like zombies. More an invention of active imaginations than having any real tie to how diseases spread.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with a brand new work computer at October 07, 2021 10:02 AM (LvTSG)

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Definitely could be that... or it could be the is a test run for the bioweapon that will do just that thing. Who knows? Everyone in power is too insane and dishonest to predict very much, unless you're one of them.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2021 10:04 AM (cTqLg)

9 Trust no government numbers. They DO NOT have your best interests in mind.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2021 10:04 AM (OCTRt)

10 Dang. I was holding out for the Sigma variant.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 07, 2021 10:04 AM (axyOa)

11 "Is it some insidious and 100% infectious syndrome "
"Or is it some sleazy self-selection process"

It's the general decline of western civ. There are no good people left to select from.

Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 07, 2021 10:04 AM (qpX6U)

12 If rising cases correspond to high vaccination rates, then what exactly is the advantage of worldwide vaccination? Obviously, prioritizing high-risk people makes sense, because the data show that vaccination seems to decrease serious illness and hospitalization. But a world-wide push -- by definition -- will delay those high-risk populations from being vaccinated. And because natural immunity is robust and perhaps much longer lasting than vaccine immunity, allowing the natural progression of a self-limiting disease in low-risk populations is probably the best way to limit Wuhan Lung Rot.
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I am not convinced there is a central plan or grand scheme that answers the "why" question. This thing - the response and the structures around the response, not the disease itself - has become a gigantic infernal machine and it may well have no driver and it's just careening around on its own accord at this point in the absence of anyone throwing the brakes onto it.

If there is a grand plan, the only answer I can come up with is, "at all costs, there mustn't be a control group."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 07, 2021 10:05 AM (+IIqY)

13 Is it some insidious and 100% infectious syndrome that causes this inexorable pivot to craven grasping grifts in every single politician and government lackey? Do they all go to some secret school where they learn the magic of how to pad their pockets while injuring the institution they are sworn to protect and defend?

Or is it some sleazy self-selection process that attracts only people predisposed to crookedness and dishonor and immorality?


Very few people are opposed to, essentially, unlimited wealth and power - assuming they are the recipients.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 07, 2021 10:05 AM (T7iTv)

14 Chimp!

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at October 07, 2021 10:06 AM (qNLhX)

15 the Propaganda Press is unable to report divergent viewpoints on any single issue, vaccine effectiveness being an example. "Reporting" is merely a group-grope effort to find the "right" narrative, and once found, every other viewpoint becomes verboten extremist wrong-think.

I have no idea why discussion of the vaccine gets these crazy fascists worked up to such a degree, but it does.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 07, 2021 10:06 AM (092mq)

16 Had Covid simply been ignored, our world would be in a much better place and I assume more people would be alive.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 07, 2021 10:06 AM (KbCG3)

17 where cases are expected to rise despite that region being the most heavily vaccinated

'Despite'?! There is no 'despite' if there is an actual vaccine.

Posted by: t-bird at October 07, 2021 10:06 AM (9Fwwf)

18 "Or is it some sleazy self-selection process that attracts only people predisposed to crookedness and dishonor and immorality?"

*salutes* Reporting for duty!

Posted by: John "Effing Gigolo" Kerry at October 07, 2021 10:07 AM (vf1Ls)

19 People who want power usually want it for themselves

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at October 07, 2021 10:07 AM (qNLhX)

20 OT- Tractor Supply has ivermectin 1% and "horse paste". I received ivermectin tablets from mexipharmacy.mx - it took about a month to get to me but I have it now. Be ready to treat yourself/family as the medical community won't. I have HCQ and ivermectin tablets (from Mexico) and horse paste and the 1% "injectable" from Tractor Supply ( or any other farm/ranch store).
barnhardt.biz will give you instructions for the 1% injectable ( that you just drink).

Posted by: free tibet at October 07, 2021 10:07 AM (f0UyA)

21 STAY SAFE!

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 07, 2021 10:08 AM (s2QJJ)

22 I just saw some Illinois data. In the last week, 51 of the deaths out of 221 total were in vaccinated people. That's 23% "breakthrough" deaths.

It's become a 3/4 pandemic of the unvaccinated.

Also, speaking of pandemics, 7 people were shot and killed just in Chicago.

Posted by: Roy at October 07, 2021 10:08 AM (eq6Sp)

23 Morning, 'rons and 'ronettes.

The worthless, corrupt, treasonous Democrat senate here in Maskaschusetts has passed a bill instituting permanent mail-in voting. The bill now goes to "Republican" governor Baker, who will sign that faster than Hunter Biden signing a check to his meth dealer.

I wish I could live in America.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 07, 2021 10:08 AM (2JVJo)

24 The difficulty is getting the rest of the world vaccinated , Gottlieb, a member of the Pfizer Inc. board of directors, said.


I'll chip in $20 to the fund that supports Gottlieb heading up the team to go into the interior of The Congo to provide vaccinations to the people there.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 07, 2021 10:09 AM (axyOa)

25 "I think this Delta wave is probably the last major surge of SARS-CoV-2 infection that we have in the U.S., barring something unexpected happening," said Scott Gottlieb

******

Well, that's a bold prediction.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 07, 2021 10:09 AM (Xwt96)

26 There is a big difference between supporting vaccination, and pushing world-wide vaccination at the expense of exactly those groups who are at vastly elevated risk compared to most people.
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Right. I am not anti-vax. I have many vaccinations. I like not having polio or tetanus or hepatitis or measles or rubella. I am anti-mandate in almost all cases (not just vax) and am increasingly anti-this-particular-vaccine given the evidence of its rapid wear-off, the demonstrated elevated risk of cardiac problems and the potential elevated risk of reproductive issues. I am not a Luddite, it is just that this particular shot strikes me as potentially problematic and the aggressive push around it rings a lot of alarm bells given who's doing it, their level of aggression, the troubling indicators and their generally egregious prior behavior in all venues.

It isn't "if you're opposed to this vaccine and/or the mandate to get it, you're an ignorant savage worshiping crude deities and rejecting logic and science." That's a foolish comparison.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 07, 2021 10:09 AM (+IIqY)

27 Bring on the Lambda variant!

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at October 07, 2021 10:09 AM (Zz1As)

28 allowing the natural progression of a self-limiting disease in low-risk populations is probably the best way to limit Wuhan Lung Rot.
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The virologists have been saying that from the start. They said it never made any sense to try and vaccinate everyone. You vaccinate only the high-risk groups, let the others get it and develop natural immunity, and the virus eventually mutates into something much less threatening.

Pushing everyone to get vaccinated actually made things worse than they otherwise would have been.

But the "science lovers" wouldn't listen to the actual scientists. Instead, they listened to bureaucratic hacks like that idiot Fauci.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at October 07, 2021 10:09 AM (k4dH2)

29 Thanks for the post, CBD!

Posted by: Muldoon at October 07, 2021 10:09 AM (Xwt96)

30 Anthony Fauci is Captain Tupelov and the Democrat Party is First Officer Bonoavia, yelling "You arrogant ass, you've killed us!"

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 07, 2021 10:09 AM (092mq)

31 Spicy flu is spicy but it doesn't warrant the destruction of our society and economy.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 07, 2021 10:10 AM (V6f9+)

32 At this point, I literally think masks are mandated here in WA forever now.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 07, 2021 10:11 AM (V6f9+)

33 This whole affair has pretty well convinced me that the idea of a worldwide pandemic that wipes out humanity is probably overblown.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with a brand new work computer at October 07, 2021 10:02 AM (LvTSG)


I saw something about this yesterday. Pandemics kill the vulnerable at first, but the bug then evolves into a more contagious, less deadly endemic bug.

Posted by: G. Gnome will not comply at October 07, 2021 10:11 AM (OQcPl)

34 It was always first and foremost about money. The control angle was manufactured after the revenue stream was active.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 07, 2021 10:11 AM (BFigT)

35 >>>But a world-wide push -- by definition -- will delay those high-risk populations from being vaccinated.

We should be screaming that from the rooftops.

Posted by: m at October 07, 2021 10:11 AM (nzEdf)

36 I'll chip in $20 to the fund that supports Gottlieb heading up the team to go into the interior of The Congo to provide vaccinations to the people there.

Posted by: Diogenes

Heh. Bunga-bunga boondoggles.

Posted by: John at October 07, 2021 10:11 AM (vf1Ls)

37 I saw something about this yesterday. Pandemics kill the vulnerable at first, but the bug then evolves into a more contagious, less deadly endemic bug.
Posted by: G. Gnome will not comply at October 07, 2021 10:11 AM (OQcPl)
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Natural selection favors that outcome. If you universally kill your host, you're also going to die. It's poor evolutionary strategy.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 07, 2021 10:11 AM (+IIqY)

38 I think making things worse IS the plan

Posted by: steevy at October 07, 2021 10:12 AM (CYnTg)

39 But seriously now, can we get back to talking about the science-y looking lady with the video describing how she identified within the Pfizer vaccine a microscopic creature with tentacles, seemingly sentient (the microscopic creature, not the lady)? She seemed quite lucid and dare I say it, credible. Bless her heart.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 07, 2021 10:12 AM (Xwt96)

40 >>>It is akin to mandating that every car in the world be outfitted with child seats, even though only a small percentage of those cars will ever be used to carry children.

I think this analogy works.

Posted by: m at October 07, 2021 10:13 AM (nzEdf)

41 The region with high vaccine rates is most at risk.

Lol lol lol lol

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I Help Ya Help Ya Help Ya Variant at October 07, 2021 10:13 AM (6+rE2)

42 My vote is the Echo variation

Posted by: Skip's Phone at October 07, 2021 10:14 AM (GT+Q4)

43 Bring on the Lambda variant!
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at October 07, 2021 10:09 AM (Zz1As)

Nerds!

Posted by: Ogre at October 07, 2021 10:14 AM (4I/2K)

44 Today is the anniversary of victory over Islam in the sea battle of Lepanto.
https://twitter.com/TomlinsonCJ/status/
1446124033766871059

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 07, 2021 10:14 AM (UHVv4)

45 The important thing is that the Pharma Corporations get paid.

They are our frenz.

Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2021 10:14 AM (8k/pR)

46 45 The important thing is that the Pharma Corporations get paid.

They are our frenz.
Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2021 10:14 AM (8k/pR)

; )

Posted by: m at October 07, 2021 10:14 AM (nzEdf)

47 Do you think CNN had Pfizer spokesman Gottlieb on this morning to discredit/destroy the new Pfizer whistleblower or are they just going to ignore her?

Posted by: lowandslow at October 07, 2021 10:14 AM (4thlk)

48 4

Always, and I mean each and everything time follow the money. Every so called expert pimping for the Biden poison is profiting from it in some way.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I Help Ya Help Ya Help Ya Variant at October 07, 2021 10:15 AM (6+rE2)

49 I like bunga bunga...I think.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 07, 2021 10:15 AM (V6f9+)

50 >> At this point, I literally think masks are mandated here in WA forever now.


Science!

Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2021 10:15 AM (8k/pR)

51 I'll chip in $20 to the fund that supports Gottlieb heading up the team to go into the interior of The Congo to provide vaccinations to the people there.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 07, 2021 10:09 AM (axyOa)

North Sentinel Island. They won't even make the beach.

Posted by: Fox2 at October 07, 2021 10:15 AM (qyH+l)

52 I expect that by the end of the year I will be the Queen of Romania, barring something unexpected happening.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 07, 2021 10:15 AM (Xwt96)

53 42 My vote is the Echo variation
Posted by: Skip's Phone at October 07, 2021 10:14 AM (GT+Q4)

Midterm variant

Posted by: CN at October 07, 2021 10:15 AM (ONvIw)

54 The Lambda variant is out of Peru where they had a 95% vaccination rate with the SinoVac vaccine.

Posted by: SMOD at October 07, 2021 10:16 AM (RHGPo)

55 I for one welcome our Microscopic Tentacled Sentient Being overlords.

Posted by: JuJuBee at October 07, 2021 10:16 AM (mNhhD)

56


https://films.nationalgeographic.com/fauci

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2021 10:16 AM (63Dwl)

57 Thanks for the post, CBD!

Posted by: Muldoon at October 07, 2021 10:09 AM (Xwt96)

My pleasure!

It would have been more authoritative but I don't have a white lab coat...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 07, 2021 10:16 AM (Q9lwr)

58 16 Had Covid simply been ignored, our world would be in a much better place and I assume more people would be alive.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 07, 2021 10:06 AM (KbCG3)


^THIS^

The only helpful public health advice I've heard during this debacle has been "Wash your hands and stay home if you're sick." Every single last thing beyond that has been counterproductive and downright fatal. Everything that might have helped has been suppressed. Everything that might make the spread worse, or the disease worse has been mandated.

Posted by: Emmie at October 07, 2021 10:16 AM (6RgRK)

59 But seriously now, can we get back to talking about the science-y looking lady with the video describing how she identified within the Pfizer vaccine a microscopic creature with tentacles, seemingly sentient (the microscopic creature, not the lady)? She seemed quite lucid and dare I say it, credible. Bless her heart.
Posted by: Muldoon at October 07, 2021 10:12 AM (Xwt96)

Odds on this turning into a Lovecraft story verses a Japanese Hentai?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 07, 2021 10:16 AM (V6f9+)

60 44 Today is the anniversary of victory over Islam in the sea battle of Lepanto.
https://twitter.com/TomlinsonCJ/status/
1446124033766871059
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 07, 2021 10:14 AM (UHVv4)

And the Winged Hussars arrive next week.

Posted by: Fox2 at October 07, 2021 10:16 AM (qyH+l)

61 Have we entered the biblical age of Tower of Babel?

What seemed logical a reasonable only months ago is now being chased out of the public square.

What this does is destroys trust in everything and makes it impossible to understand each other. We can no longer communicate as we did.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at October 07, 2021 10:17 AM (4cXAQ)

62 It would be impossible for me to have more disdain for the Scott Gottliebs of the world; and, quite frankly, for the entire medical profession (though I know there are many individual exceptions). I was forced to get the shot (or be fired) by my employer (I got the one-and-done J&J to get it over with)... and my level of disgust with said employer is off the charts. Do they somehow imagine they've improved my morale in the workplace? Do they believe I'll now be motivated to go the extra mile at work? For 18 months I went to the job site unvaccinated (supposedly "risking my life" for the company); for much of that time period, no vaccine was available. No one around me got sick. I didn't get sick. And now they make me choose between supporting my family and getting a medical treatment I don't want or need?? My productivity is suffering, that much I can say for certain. It's outrageous, but it's where we are.

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 07, 2021 10:18 AM (pcsoT)

63 9 Trust no government numbers. They DO NOT have your best interests in mind.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2021 10:04 AM (OCTRt)

You don't trust AG Merrick or gen Milley? for shame

Posted by: CN at October 07, 2021 10:18 AM (ONvIw)

64 I think the Kung Flu was weaponized by the one-worlders once it became evident that it did make people sick. They had to get rid of Trump as he was America First.
The dramatic videos of people collapsing in the street in China lit the fuse. China WANTED those videos out. Trump was squeezing them hard.

Posted by: free tibet at October 07, 2021 10:18 AM (f0UyA)

65 Sure, laugh, Muldoon.

It's just a holodeck program of Holmes's Moriarty! It's just a computer virus shutting down all of the life-support and essential systems on the ship!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 07, 2021 10:18 AM (UHVv4)

66 Today is the anniversary of victory over Islam in the sea battle of Lepanto.
https://twitter.com/TomlinsonCJ/status/
1446124033766871059
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 07, 2021 10:14 AM (UHVv4)

And the Winged Hussars arrive next week.
Posted by: Fox2 at October 07, 2021 10:16 AM (qyH+l)

Winged Hussars? https://youtu.be/rcYhYO02f98

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 07, 2021 10:18 AM (V6f9+)

67 It isn't "if you're opposed to this vaccine and/or the mandate to get it, you're an ignorant savage worshiping crude deities and rejecting logic and science." That's a foolish comparison.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 07, 2021 10:09 AM (+IIqY)


My big complaint is that they've broken ALL the rules for this "vaccine" to "protect" against a chest cold. It didn't go through the trials that a normal vaccine would perform. There's no control group. It's had more documented adverse affects than any previous vaccine yet not been pulled. They won't permit doctors to treat the illness in the early stages.

I don't KNOW that the vaccine is awful but I know that I won't get it of my own free will.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 07, 2021 10:18 AM (T7iTv)

68 "Have we entered the biblical age of Tower of Babel?"

It's like that, but with enforcers who throw wrong-thinkers off the top.

Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 07, 2021 10:19 AM (qpX6U)

69 The founders figured it was endemic to people (sleaziness, crass dishonor.) That was why they neutered the power of the federal government and tried to drive as much power as low in the tree of government to where the people who had the most control over your life (local municipalities, states) were right next to you and could be held accountable more easily.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 07, 2021 10:19 AM (csEWM)

70 Gottlieb is a corrupt, incompetent hack and pimp for Big Pharma and especially his sugar-daddy Pfizer. Not one word out his mouth has ever been honest or correct. Every word out of his mouth is a lying con. In a truly rational society, he'd be in jail right next to the stock swindlers, insider traders, pimps, and con men. But this isn't a rational society. The least we can do is ignore this cocksucker and his bullshit.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 07, 2021 10:19 AM (iFTx/)

71 She seemed quite lucid and dare I say it, credible. Bless her heart.
Posted by: Muldoon at October 07, 2021 10:12 AM (Xwt96)

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I watched that video clip - or at least the start of it. It didn't seem overly 'reliable' so I moved on and forgot about it.

Has anything happened to either validate or invalidate it?

Posted by: 496 at October 07, 2021 10:19 AM (VJsqe)

72 Kurt forgot about New York, it seems.

I'd want to forget about New York, too.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with a brand new work computer at October 07, 2021 10:20 AM (LvTSG)

73 Whatever happened to Kurt? The poor imbecile has disappeared.

Posted by: Northernlurkerish at October 07, 2021 10:21 AM (cSyAR)

74
The difficulty is getting the rest of the world vaccinated , Gottlieb, a member of the Pfizer Inc. board of directors, said.


The pharma companies in the vax trade are malevolent and greedy bastards. You cannot separate the ethos of the person from the ethos of the background in which they work.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 07, 2021 10:21 AM (pNxlR)

75 The per capita death rate is now highest in those obese red states that voted heavily for Trump
Posted by: Kurt at October 07, 2021 10:18 AM (xGy5L)

Mississippi, NJ and NY? LOL

Posted by: CN at October 07, 2021 10:21 AM (ONvIw)

76 Speaking of supposedly sentient, Kurt's here. Everybody say "Hi, Kurt!"

Posted by: Muldoon at October 07, 2021 10:22 AM (Xwt96)

77 >It is akin to mandating that every car in the world be outfitted with child seats, even though only a small percentage of those cars will ever be used to carry children.

Actually I am kind of shocked this hasn't been done already. The pols get to posture and tell stories of this one time where someone gave a kid a ride home without a seat and there was an accident and the kid died and how they are so noble for fixing this issue, and they get campaign contributions from automakers who now get to put in a $70 seat contraption and raise the sticker $200 and have a "it's the law" excuse.

Posted by: Azjaeger at October 07, 2021 10:22 AM (3/XaG)

78 "Also, speaking of pandemics, 7 people were shot and killed just in Chicago."

Hey, don't forget about neighboring shithole Rockford IL!

https://tinyurl.com/bzkbc75d

Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 07, 2021 10:22 AM (qpX6U)

79 Insty just put up a great quote from Robert Heinlein I had never heard before:

"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."

Kind of sounds like the opposite of serfdom.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 07, 2021 10:22 AM (csEWM)

80 New swamp story I just heard:

Jake Sullivan, American traitor, will never be prosecuted for anything by the Merrick Garland DOJ. Sullivan's wife (Maggie) was a valued clerk to Judge Garland, and the Garlands and Sullivans are good friends.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 07, 2021 10:22 AM (092mq)

81 Pinch hitting for Pedro Borbon, Manny Mota... ota... ta... aaa...

Posted by: echo variant at October 07, 2021 10:22 AM (UHVv4)

82 'Do they all go to some secret school where they learn the magic of how to pad their pockets while injuring the institution they are sworn to protect and defend?'

Hogfarts?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 07, 2021 10:22 AM (ruYJi)

83 Have a seat, Kurt.

Posted by: Chris Hansen at October 07, 2021 10:22 AM (4I/2K)

84 >> The per capita death rate is now highest in those obese red states that voted heavily for Trump


Anyone want to tell Kurt about the largest pool of unvaccinated and their proclivities towards diabetes and other diseases?

Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2021 10:23 AM (8k/pR)

85 Anecdote - I met with my Dr. yesterday and we discussed the "vaxx". He is totally pro-vaxx. We had a very civil conversation about my reluctance where I asked a lot of questions. I came away with the following:

When asked about how there wasn't any clinical trials, he changed the subject. that basically told me it was rushed to market.

When talking about clotting issues, he said I shouldn't have to worry about it (due to BP meds). That basically told me there is an issue with clotting.

We discussed some of his other patients getting COVID and he told me a horror story about someone that was in ICU. He ended up to be way older than me.

He told me about another patient about my age in the same condition, but when I asked if that person was vaxxed, he admitted that person was.

I guess he didn't convince me to change my mind.

Posted by: johnd01 at October 07, 2021 10:23 AM (ukNFU)

86 74 Kurt forgot about New York, it seems.

I'd want to forget about New York, too.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with a brand new work computer at October 07, 2021 10:20 AM (LvTSG)

NOT Frank Sinatra.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 07, 2021 10:23 AM (csEWM)

87
What this does is destroys trust in everything and makes it impossible to understand each other. We can no longer communicate as we did.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at October 07, 2021 10:17 AM (4cXAQ)

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Exactly, and COVID is only a small feature of the problem, but it's the most visible at this moment.

The problem is epistemic collapse. The total corruption of every institution has caused a crisis in trust of anything people hear, and a consequent void in shared knowledge.

Which, of course, is the idea - if you can successfully annihilate truth as a concept (or at least it's existence in practical reality), then those with power to enforce standards of speech can much more easily replace it with their own vision.

This was always the endpoint of the "perception as reality" concept of politics.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2021 10:23 AM (cTqLg)

88 Insty just put up a great quote from Robert Heinlein I had never heard before:

"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."

Kind of sounds like the opposite of serfdom.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 07, 2021 10:22 AM (csEWM)

Quotes like that made me love Heinlein.
I prefer to remember him like that and not wallowing in bizzare sex fantasies.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 07, 2021 10:23 AM (V6f9+)

89 The pharma companies in the vax trade are malevolent and greedy bastards. You cannot separate the ethos of the person from the ethos of the background in which they work.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 07, 2021 10:21 AM (pNxlR)

This seems to be the case. But pharma has been greedy for some time. They are particularly reluctant to support off patent meds and will try to manipulate to add a little something in order to drastically raise the price.

Posted by: CN at October 07, 2021 10:23 AM (ONvIw)

90
North Sentinel Island. They won't even make the beach.
Posted by: Fox2


Good people! We come in pe ...!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 07, 2021 10:23 AM (pNxlR)

91 The people who do get vaccinated are much more likely to need hospitalization or to die
Posted by: Kurt


Who is socking Ku*t and making sense?

Posted by: t-bird at October 07, 2021 10:23 AM (pbStR)

92 86
Anyone want to tell Kurt about the largest pool of unvaccinated and their proclivities towards diabetes and other diseases?
Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2021 10:23 AM (8k/pR)

========

The black population's distrust of government medical mandates is racist against black people, so say rich white people.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with a brand new work computer at October 07, 2021 10:24 AM (LvTSG)

93 One more thing I would add: As far as I can tell, I am the only person in this huge company I work for that is/was opposed to the vaccine mandate. No one ever brought up the topic at any all-hands meeting with senior leaders over the last month (after mandate was announced). I despair at the sheep status of the entire population...

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 07, 2021 10:24 AM (pcsoT)

94 So HCQ and Ivermectin are "quack cures," Kurt?

Do you even read the vomitus you type, or is it just your splayed nerve endings scattering your fingers over a keyboard like a dice player with St Vitus' dance at the craps table?

Just check the death and infection stats for MA.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 07, 2021 10:24 AM (2JVJo)

95 90 Quotes like that made me love Heinlein.
I prefer to remember him like that and not wallowing in bizzare sex fantasies.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 07, 2021 10:23 AM (V6f9+)

=========

"No...seriously...incest is okay."
-Heinlein, for like 30 pages straight

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with a brand new work computer at October 07, 2021 10:24 AM (LvTSG)

96 She seemed quite lucid and dare I say it, credible. Bless her heart. Posted by: Muldoon

Has anything happened to either validate or invalidate it? Posted by: 496


****

I didn't really think that needed a /sarc tag, but here ya go => /sarc

Posted by: Muldoon at October 07, 2021 10:25 AM (Xwt96)

97 Kurt's come to bless us with his bigotry.

Posted by: Emmie at October 07, 2021 10:25 AM (6RgRK)

98 Which, of course, is the idea - if you can successfully annihilate truth as a concept (or at least it's existence in practical reality), then those with power to enforce standards of speech can much more easily replace it with their own vision.

This was always the endpoint of the "perception as reality" concept of politics.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2021 10:23 AM (cTqLg)

We have all lived long enough to enter a time where we're the crackpots.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 07, 2021 10:25 AM (KbCG3)

99
Kind of sounds like the opposite of serfdom.
Posted by: Aetius451AD


Let's run that by the fey "respect my pronouns or I will end you" flower from yesterday, shall we?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 07, 2021 10:25 AM (pNxlR)

100 hiya

Posted by: JT at October 07, 2021 10:26 AM (arJlL)

101 >>> And the Winged Hussars arrive next week.
Posted by: Fox2 at October 07, 2021 10:16 AM (qyH+l)


I saw The Winged Hussies open for Flogging Molly in twenny'11 at the Terminal 5 in NYC.

Posted by: banana Dream at October 07, 2021 10:26 AM (4D/dn)

102 Daytime nazi love drama...

Only one way to live.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at October 07, 2021 10:26 AM (aLutp)

103 The people who do get vaccinated are much more likely to need hospitalization or to die
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Looks like Kurt's ESL bites him in the ass again.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 07, 2021 10:26 AM (UHVv4)

104 Trust no government numbers. They DO NOT have your best interests in mind.

--

Anybody who still thinks this federal government of ours has our best interests as their #1 priority is blind as a Wuhan bat. Their #1 priority is to advance their power and the agenda of the worldwide left. We are collateral damage. It's a sad, shocking revelation once you become aware.

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 07, 2021 10:26 AM (O+I8R)

105 "No...seriously...incest is okay."
-Heinlein, for like 30 pages straight
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with a brand new work computer at October 07, 2021 10:24 AM (LvTSG)

People can get weird as they get older. Look at Ayn Rand. Of course, she started further down the curve than most.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 07, 2021 10:26 AM (csEWM)

106 Sometimes I let Kurt spout his drivel. But today he really is blathering on with total nonsense.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 07, 2021 10:27 AM (Q9lwr)

107 Did someone say bizarre sex fantasies?

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at October 07, 2021 10:27 AM (2JVJo)

108 "No...seriously...incest is okay."
-Heinlein, for like 30 pages straight
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with a brand new work computer at October 07, 2021 10:24 AM (LvTSG)

The man was a pioneer in many ways....including fanfiction...of his own characters.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 07, 2021 10:27 AM (V6f9+)

109 We are collateral damage. It's a sad, shocking revelation once you become aware.
Posted by: Lady in Black at October 07, 2021 10:26 AM (O+I8R)

Come on, man, richie rich needs more billions!! Have you lost your humanity?

Posted by: CN at October 07, 2021 10:27 AM (ONvIw)

110 Daytime nazi love drama...

Only one way to live.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at October 07, 2021 10:26 AM (aLutp)

and there's only one way to rock!

https://youtu.be/lCCWXAp49So

Posted by: Van Hagar at October 07, 2021 10:28 AM (4I/2K)

111 Again, nothing new, but it is gratifying to see a little data that confounds the smug and arrogant pronouncements from the mediocre thinkers of our political elite.

-----

They strive for mediocrity and continually come up short.

Posted by: ShainS -- Unauthorized Freedom Exhibitionist at October 07, 2021 10:28 AM (vAHT7)

112 106 Sometimes I let Kurt spout his drivel. But today he really is blathering on with total nonsense.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 07, 2021 10:27 AM (Q9lwr)

If he just wrote tasteful tentacle porn, he might be a beloved character.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 07, 2021 10:28 AM (csEWM)

113 Rush Limbaugh's website has been fully updated and revamped. The focus now is on the RL Foundation, which supports military families, people with medical issues creating financial hardship, Leukemia Society, etc. Rush Revere books and study guides available. Many of Rush's personal collectible items have been sold or are available to purchase at steep prices, with the money going to the above causes. The man had an amazing number of cigar humidors, many of which have been sold to collectors. His holiday tie collection is almost entirely sold out, each tie going for $500.
Really miss Rush's perspective.
https://officialrushlimbaugh.com/

Posted by: Jen the original at October 07, 2021 10:28 AM (hzW2e)

114 Kirk, did you see where the feds accidentally released the powerpoint admitting that 60% of hospitalized with COVID patients were vaxxinated?

Click my name field link. Page 12.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 60% of COVID hospitalizations are vaccinated, see slide 12 at October 07, 2021 10:29 AM (RDD2k)

115 Odds on this turning into a Lovecraft story verses a Japanese Hentai?

Any time a woman mentions tentacles, it's hentai.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 07, 2021 10:29 AM (ZGrMX)

116 "A human being should be able to... pitch manure...

********

*shifty eyes*

*ticks off that particular checkbox*

*tiptoes out*

Posted by: Muldoon at October 07, 2021 10:29 AM (Xwt96)

117 Ready to Die by Andrew WK:
https://youtu.be/Tlu1ZfYr6vA

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 07, 2021 10:29 AM (V6f9+)

118 Really miss Rush's perspective.
https://officialrushlimbaugh.com/
Posted by: Jen the original at October 07, 2021 10:28 AM (hzW2e)

Yes, a man, a legend, a way of life.

Posted by: CN at October 07, 2021 10:29 AM (ONvIw)

119
I guess he didn't convince me to change my mind.
Posted by: johnd01


I might have asked, while gesturing toward his framed and hanging certificates of authenticity on the wall, "Were you expected or required to display any bit of intellectual curiosity during all the time you spent to get those?"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 07, 2021 10:30 AM (pNxlR)

120 In case you feel time doesn't move quickly enough..

Eddie van Halen died 1 yr ago.

Posted by: Cocktober at October 07, 2021 10:30 AM (sLG2f)

121 60 44 Today is the anniversary of victory over Islam in the sea battle of Lepanto.
https://twitter.com/TomlinsonCJ/status/
1446124033766871059
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 07, 2021 10:14 AM (UHVv4)

And the Winged Hussars arrive next week.
Posted by: Fox2 at October 07, 2021 10:16 AM (qyH+l)
________________________________

Great song!

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 07, 2021 10:31 AM (iFTx/)

122 And the Winged Hussars arrive next week.
Posted by: Fox2 at October 07, 2021 10:16 AM (qyH+l)

Actually, last month.

Posted by: Fox2 at October 07, 2021 10:31 AM (qyH+l)

123 He like CBD at some point must realize that none of those quack miracle cures have worked either in the USA or any where
On the planet
_____________

India's not on the planet anymore? India, where they reduced covid cases to almost zero in Uttar Pradesh, in a matter of weeks, by handing out $2 kits containing "quack miracle cures" like Vit D, zinc, and ivermectin?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at October 07, 2021 10:31 AM (k4dH2)

124 Wasn't Nancy Pelosi pushing the "hug a Chinaman" meme while President Trump was shutting down air travel from Red China??

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 07, 2021 10:32 AM (UHVv4)

125 I guess he didn't convince me to change my mind.
Posted by: johnd01


He convinced me.

Convinced me to change doctors.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2021 10:32 AM (OCTRt)

126 Senate leaders have reached an agreement on extending the debt limit.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2021 10:32 AM (63Dwl)

127 Hey, we had an entire month where the vaccinated could ditch their masks. What more could you ask for?

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 07, 2021 10:33 AM (5HBd1)

128 @64
>>I think the Kung Flu was weaponized by the one-worlders once it became evident that it did make people sick. They had to get rid of Trump as he was America First.
As has been said, the only thing that is real is the virus itself, everything else has been and Op and Scam.

Or alternatively...

Wow, that Trump dude is one unlucky fella, weathers a 4 year storm of lies, treachery, impeachments, has the wind at his back for an easy re-election and...

BAM!!

World Wide Pandemic which Fauchi, the Meat Puppet and others had been talking about in previous years suddenly materializes and requires them to destroy the world wide economy, institute lock downs and changes to our election system, etc.

Just happenstance is all.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 07, 2021 10:33 AM (cTwPV)

129 So is America gonna pay for the world's vaccines?

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 07, 2021 10:33 AM (LQjWA)

130 We never miss an opportunity to mis an opportunity.

Posted by: GoPe at October 07, 2021 10:34 AM (Ojki1)

131 So is America gonna pay for the world's vaccines?
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 07, 2021 10:33 AM (LQjWA)


Yes.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 07, 2021 10:34 AM (Ez6QX)

132 Daughter just got sent home from Skool for 10 days because she is fighting a head cold. Thank God she is a senior and we only have a few more months to put up with these Maoists.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at October 07, 2021 10:35 AM (flINI)

133 Mississippi, NJ and NY? LOL
Posted by: CN at October 07, 2021 10:21 AM (ONvIw)

and having been through Mississippi several times, I'll guarantee that it's the extremely obese older black population that is the bulk of the cases there.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 07, 2021 10:35 AM (trdmm)

134
Wasn't Nancy Pelosi pushing the "hug a Chinaman" meme while President Trump was shutting down air travel from Red China??
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4)


You misremember. It was, "hug a Chinaman, feed a fever"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 07, 2021 10:35 AM (pNxlR)

135 "causes this inexorable pivot to craven grasping grifts in every single politician and government lackey?"

Useful skills are hard to come by.

Posted by: DaveA at October 07, 2021 10:35 AM (FhXTo)

136 I predict the Titanic will set a new record for fastest Atlantic crossing, barring something unexpected happening

Posted by: Muldoon at October 07, 2021 10:35 AM (Xwt96)

137 So with the revelation that China was stockpiling PCR tests in Hubei province in spring of 2019, it's pretty clear the virus was a deliberate release. Whether that release was coordinated with the western medical establishment that helped create it remains to be seen.

"India's not on the planet anymore?
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at October 07, 2021 10:31 AM (k4dH2)"

In NPC-land, if the media doesn't report it, it didn't happen.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at October 07, 2021 10:35 AM (sSrKq)

138
So is America gonna pay for the world's vaccines?
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 07, 2021 10:33 AM (LQjWA)

That's the idea, but whatever works so long as *someone* does, and so help me G-d, we'll say whatever it takes to get that check. Now get back in your house and put on your mask, pal - something unforeseen is about to occur.

Posted by: Gottlieb from Pfizer at October 07, 2021 10:35 AM (cTqLg)

139 Senate leaders have reached an agreement on extending the debt limit.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2021 10:32 AM (63Dwl)

We're saved! The Republic's future is assured and bright!
Zippedee Doo Dah what a wonderful day.

Posted by: Count de Monet, unvaccinated Kulak-American at October 07, 2021 10:36 AM (4I/2K)

140 136 I predict the Titanic will set a new record for fastest Atlantic crossing, barring something unexpected happening
Posted by: Muldoon at October 07, 2021 10:35 AM (Xwt96)

========

I've heard that the speed record thing was manufactured, essentially, by the insurance company to try and avoid paying White Star Line.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with a brand new work computer at October 07, 2021 10:36 AM (LvTSG)

141 and having been through Mississippi several times, I'll guarantee that it's the extremely obese older black population that is the bulk of the cases there.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 07, 2021 10:35 AM (trdmm)

Yes, and the cities coupled with the very elderly in NY and NJ.

Posted by: CN at October 07, 2021 10:36 AM (ONvIw)

142 I think AT article thought masks for every cold/flu/ airborne contamination will makeasks mandatory forever

Posted by: Skip's Phone at October 07, 2021 10:36 AM (GT+Q4)

143 6 Our benevolent overlords must keep us in fear forever until we cure death.

Posted by: NR Pax at October 07, 2021 10:04 AM (4olE

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The best way to cure death is to eventually extinguish ALL life, comrade!

Join the Marxist Death Cult today for half off ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Unauthorized Freedom Exhibitionist at October 07, 2021 10:36 AM (vAHT7)

144 >>> "A human being should be able to... pitch manure...
Posted by: Muldoon at October 07, 2021 10:29 AM (Xwt96)


You know what everyone needs more of? MANURE! That's right! All of us can only produce so much, what're all you people going to do when you run out? Buy more! That's right, and I'm the man to sell it to ya! I have all kinds, stinky, very stinky, and new this season exotically stinky! Don't be the last one on your block to get a wonderful pile of MANURE!

(how'd I do?)

Posted by: Trainee in the field of manure sales at October 07, 2021 10:36 AM (4D/dn)

145 "The difficulty is in the fact that our cash cow is mortally wounded..."

Posted by: red speck at October 07, 2021 10:36 AM (gS3OW)

146 Daughter just got sent home from Skool for 10 days because she is fighting a head cold

**

No one is allowed to get sick any more, citizen.

Stay safe in this together!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 60% of COVID hospitalizations are vaccinated, see slide 12 at October 07, 2021 10:37 AM (RDD2k)

147 @Jkylebass; 2h
149 Chinese attack aircraft have violated Taiwan air defense zone in the last 4 days. Taiwan announced publicly the development of a medium range missile capable of striking ports, air defense systems, and airports in China.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 07, 2021 10:37 AM (UHVv4)

148 >>You know what everyone needs more of? MANURE!


'You've got a 'Ma' with a 'Nure' after it...it's really not that bad.'

Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2021 10:38 AM (8k/pR)

149 and having been through Mississippi several times, I'll guarantee that it's the extremely obese older black population that is the bulk of the cases there.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 07, 2021 10:35 AM (trdmm)

**

I'd wager that's the case throughout the South, which is why black people in our area seem to be so terrified of the COVIDs.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 60% of COVID hospitalizations are vaccinated, see slide 12 at October 07, 2021 10:38 AM (RDD2k)

150 Fuck that monkey in particular.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2021 10:38 AM (1t5dY)

151 [Takes dollar, looks around furtively]
Word on the street is, the only purpose for the injections is to poison your blood with the taint of the murdered unborn, so that when Jesus returns you will either be forced to fight for Satan, or die and go directly to Hell.

Posted by: Johnny The Shoeshine Guy at October 07, 2021 10:38 AM (oJplX)

152
(how'd I do?)
Posted by: Trainee in the field of manure sales


Got any manure with corn in it?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 07, 2021 10:38 AM (pNxlR)

153 137 So with the revelation that China was stockpiling PCR tests in Hubei province in spring of 2019, it's pretty clear the virus was a deliberate release. Whether that release was coordinated with the western medical establishment that helped create it remains to be seen.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at October 07, 2021 10:35 AM (sSrKq)

Event 201 at JHU was not a coincidence. Under normal circumstances their prescience would have been lauded, but it was barely mentioned. Why?

Posted by: CN at October 07, 2021 10:38 AM (ONvIw)

154 Good morning everyone. What horrors will the 'ruling class' in DC inflict on us today?

Posted by: IC at October 07, 2021 10:38 AM (hV9ir)

155 No one is allowed to get sick any more, citizen.

Stay safe in this together!
Posted by: Moron Robbie - 60% of COVID hospitalizations are vaccinated, see slide 12 at October 07, 2021 10:37 AM (RDD2k)

***

I wear this mask for you...

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at October 07, 2021 10:39 AM (flINI)

156 "Senate leaders have reached an agreement on extending the debt limit."

They perform that skit just to insult us.

Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 07, 2021 10:39 AM (qpX6U)

157 I'd wager that's the case throughout the South, which is why black people in our area seem to be so terrified of the COVIDs.
Posted by: Moron Robbie


I'd wager they remember the syphilis experiments more.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2021 10:39 AM (OCTRt)

158 "So with the revelation that China was stockpiling PCR tests in Hubei province in spring of 2019, "

Maybe the tests were on sale, and they just wanted to stock up at the bargain price.

Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 07, 2021 10:40 AM (qpX6U)

159 You know what everyone needs more of? MANURE! That's right! All of us can only produce so much, what're all you people going to do when you run out? Buy more! That's right, and I'm the man to sell it to ya! I have all kinds, stinky, very stinky, and new this season exotically stinky! Don't be the last one on your block to get a wonderful pile of MANURE!

(how'd I do?)
Posted by: Trainee in the field of manure sales at October 07, 2021 10:36 AM (4D/dn)

Not a bad setup. Now you have to figure out a way to make it mandatory.

Posted by: Old hand in Manure Sales at October 07, 2021 10:40 AM (csEWM)

160 136 I predict the Titanic will set a new record for fastest Atlantic crossing, barring something unexpected happening
Posted by: Muldoon at October 07, 2021 10:35 AM (Xwt96)

========

I've heard that the speed record thing was manufactured, essentially, by the insurance company to try and avoid paying White Star Line.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with a brand new work computer at October 07, 2021 10:36 AM (LvTSG)


I don't know about that; I do know that Titanic had no chance of getting the Blue Riband for fastest crossing, since Cunard's ships were faster. She might have set a record for White Star, but she was never going to be as fast as Lusitania.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at October 07, 2021 10:40 AM (2JVJo)

161 D'OH! Sexual fantasy sock off.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 07, 2021 10:41 AM (2JVJo)

162 Well, depending on who you listen to, the vaccinated are dominating the hospitals currently in some areas, so saying they lessen the severity of the virus might just be incorrect.

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at October 07, 2021 10:41 AM (9gDA7)

163 156 "Senate leaders have reached an agreement on extending the debt limit."

They perform that skit just to insult us.
Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 07, 2021 10:39 AM (qpX6U)

Ahh..did they accept the turtle's offer? I'm still confused if the turtle is being cunning or an idiot.

Posted by: IC at October 07, 2021 10:41 AM (hV9ir)

164 The argument the government makes for mandating it is EXPLICITLY because it stops you from spreading Wu Flu.

The vaccine doesn't stop you from getting or giving Wu Flu.

And...yet the government continues.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 07, 2021 10:41 AM (ESjRY)

165 Twitchy says Ana Kasparian debated Ben Shapiro and her audience at Young Turks is white-hot irate. Apparently, talking to people with whom she disagrees makes her the enemy. Really weird, but OK.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 07, 2021 10:41 AM (092mq)

166
Don't be the last one on your block to get a wonderful pile of MANURE!

(how'd I do?)
Posted by: Trainee in the field of manure sales


One for the angels!

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734609/

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2021 10:41 AM (63Dwl)

167 160 I've heard that the speed record thing was manufactured, essentially, by the insurance company to try and avoid paying White Star Line.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with a brand new work computer at October 07, 2021 10:36 AM (LvTSG)

I don't know about that; I do know that Titanic had no chance of getting the Blue Riband for fastest crossing, since Cunard's ships were faster. She might have set a record for White Star, but she was never going to be as fast as Lusitania.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at October 07, 2021 10:40 AM (2JVJo)

==========

The lady guide at the Titanic museum in Orlando was very adamant about this. It's kind of all I know about the idea, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with a brand new work computer at October 07, 2021 10:42 AM (LvTSG)

168 126 Senate leaders have reached an agreement on extending the debt limit.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 07, 2021 10:32 AM (63Dwl)

-----

Unexpectedly.

It should be labeled the perpetually-increasing debt floor.

Posted by: ShainS -- Unauthorized Freedom Exhibitionist at October 07, 2021 10:42 AM (vAHT7)

169 Well, depending on who you listen to, the vaccinated are dominating the hospitals currently in some areas, so saying they lessen the severity of the virus might just be incorrect.

I suspect you'd find it lessens the impact of the alpha variant...within 4 months or so of getting the clot shot. And that it does nothing positive for the versions of COVID now in circulation so...their numbers are "true-ish" but immaterial.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 07, 2021 10:43 AM (ESjRY)

170 I'm still confused if the turtle is being cunning or an idiot.
Posted by: IC at October 07, 2021 10:41 AM (hV9ir)


Smart money is on the latter.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at October 07, 2021 10:43 AM (y7DUB)

171 165 Twitchy says Ana Kasparian debated Ben Shapiro and her audience at Young Turks is white-hot irate. Apparently, talking to people with whom she disagrees makes her the enemy. Really weird, but OK.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 07, 2021 10:41 AM (092mq)

The anitpathy toward any kind of debate is kind of at the core of the left these days. That is why none of their 'arguments' these days even makes a nod toward civility.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 07, 2021 10:43 AM (csEWM)

172 OK, someone help me out here. As I understand it, the original CoV has evolved/mutated/changed into several variants, the most prominent now is Delta (?). As far as I can tell, the several "vaccines" only have some effectiveness against the original virus, but not against the variants, as evidenced by the rising numbers of infected persons who ARE vaccinated. The Delta variant is more contagious (?), but less lethal. Where have I erred?

Posted by: LRob in TN at October 07, 2021 10:43 AM (jboH3)

173 I don't know about that; I do know that Titanic had no chance of getting the Blue Riband for fastest crossing, since Cunard's ships were faster. She might have set a record for White Star, but she was never going to be as fast as Lusitania.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at October 07, 2021 10:40 AM (2JVJo)

oh definitely. Titanic took what, 3 hours to sink? Lusitania did it in only 15 minutes.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 07, 2021 10:43 AM (trdmm)

174 Maybe Republican congressmen should just offer Pfizer a straight $100 Billion federal payout (payable next time in power) on the promise that Pfizer will knock this COVID vaccinating kids BS off.

"Take the money, just leave the kids alone [you F-ing predatory ghouls]."

Posted by: Match Checksout at October 07, 2021 10:43 AM (dYe5S)

175 165 Twitchy says Ana Kasparian debated Ben Shapiro and her audience at Young Turks is white-hot irate. Apparently, talking to people with whom she disagrees makes her the enemy. Really weird, but OK.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 07, 2021 10:41 AM (092mq)

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Because Ben Shapiro's words are literal violence, and giving him a venue is inviting literal injury upon them. Because the Young Turk crowd are brave truthtellers who are unafraid of mixing it up with those they oppose, or something.

Just ask Cenk.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with a brand new work computer at October 07, 2021 10:43 AM (LvTSG)

176 I despair at the sheep status of the entire population...
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 07, 2021 10:24 AM (pcsoT)


Most people don't seek.

Everyone they know is pushing the jab. Everything they see on TV, the internet, Twitter, Facebook, Youtube...is pushing the jab. No one talks about what other countries are doing unless it reinforces the necessity of getting the jab.

They haven't discovered yet that they cannot trust those people. I pray they survive that discovery.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 07, 2021 10:44 AM (T7iTv)

177 The argument the government makes for mandating it is EXPLICITLY because it stops you from spreading Wu Flu.
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If they still say this, they are fools. Instead, they should emphasize older people and those with comorbidities have higher survival rates, once infected. The numbers help that argument, unlike the "spread prevention" argument.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 07, 2021 10:44 AM (092mq)

178 >>Where have I erred?


In thinking that anyone in charge cares.

Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2021 10:44 AM (8k/pR)

179 As far as I can tell, the several "vaccines" only have some effectiveness against the original virus, but not against the variants, as evidenced by the rising numbers of infected persons who ARE vaccinated

This is the part the FNM is ignoring.

If 90% of your population is "vaxxed" and the vaccine provide safe, long lasting protection from the current versions of COVID you wouldn't see what's happening in Israel or Britain now.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 07, 2021 10:44 AM (ESjRY)

180 "And because natural immunity is robust and perhaps much longer lasting than vaccine immunity, allowing the natural progression of a self-limiting disease in low-risk populations is probably the best way to limit Wuhan Lung Rot."
.........
I said this a year and a half ago..

They should never have closed schools.

Protect the vulnerable until there is a vaccine.. then push at-risk people to get the vax.

Perhaps if they had not botched all these things along the way, more of the at-risk population would have got the vaccine. There's a lot of fat-ass younger people dying from this shit than is necessary. It IS their decision, but these dumbasses have been influenced by internet stories of mass deaths after taking vaccines. 15 million took the J&J jab, and 47 cases of thrombosis were reported. 376 million for Moderna - 2 cases reported. Pretty damn good odds.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 07, 2021 10:44 AM (CjFDo)

181 Mentioned upthread but adding a bit to it:

The feast of Our Lady of the Rosary was instituted following the Christian victory over the Turks at the Battle of Lepanto on October 7, 1571. Pope St. Pius V, the "Pope of the Rosary," attributed the naval victory of the Catholic forces, who were greatly outnumbered, to the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Our Lady was invoked on the day of battle through a papal campaign asking the faithful across Europe to pray the rosary for the triumph of the Church.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 07, 2021 10:45 AM (e1mwr)

182 Maybe the tests were on sale, and they just wanted to stock up at the bargain price.
Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 07, 2021 10:40 AM


PCR test, $0.29? What a bargain!

- CCP

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 07, 2021 10:45 AM (m+jkK)

183 The mask thing is so stupid at this point. We've known almost since the beginning this is an airborne disease that even an N95 mask allows through. The idea that wearing some poorly fitted cloth mask is going to stop spreading covid is so stupid it's unreal people buy it. I still can't believe people think it'll help in anyway. It's like an IQ test basically. If you believe in masks you're a retard.

Posted by: james at October 07, 2021 10:45 AM (PvswE)

184 165 Twitchy says Ana Kasparian debated Ben Shapiro and her audience at Young Turks is white-hot irate. Apparently, talking to people with whom she disagrees makes her the enemy. Really weird, but OK.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 07, 2021 10:41 AM (092mq)

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HOW CAN YOU TALK TO LITERALLY HITLERS????? THAT MAKES YOU LITERALLY HITLER!!!!!

Posted by: ShainS -- Unauthorized Freedom Exhibitionist at October 07, 2021 10:45 AM (vAHT7)

185 >>I despair at the sheep status of the entire population.

Well.
Most people are idiots.

Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2021 10:45 AM (8k/pR)

186 I'd wager they remember the syphilis experiments more.

*

That, too.

It would be interesting to poll by race to see who knows someone who died from the COVIDs.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 60% of COVID hospitalizations are vaccinated, see slide 12 at October 07, 2021 10:46 AM (RDD2k)

187 "Take the money, just leave the kids alone [you F-ing predatory ghouls]."

As is a common state - if we had an opposition party this is exactly what they'd do.

It would fail...but the point is to get the message out there.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 07, 2021 10:46 AM (ESjRY)

188 Senate Democrats are gleefully crowing that Mitch caved.

Posted by: JuJuBee at October 07, 2021 10:46 AM (mNhhD)

189 I am reluctantly getting the clot shot because I want to see my Mom before she declines any further. I hate that I have to but it is the only way I can swing this.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at October 07, 2021 10:46 AM (flINI)

190 "I despair at the sheep status of the entire population..."

When the tyrants have your income and livelihood by the nads, most have to succumb. Almost as persuasive as outright violence.

Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 07, 2021 10:46 AM (qpX6U)

191 Twitchy says Ana Kasparian debated Ben Shapiro and her audience at Young Turks is white-hot irate. Apparently, talking to people with whom she disagrees makes her the enemy. Really weird, but OK.

That's how confident the Left is in their ideas, you're not allowed to talk to anyone that challenges them.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 07, 2021 10:46 AM (ZGrMX)

192 So yesterday I filled out a religious exemption sheet, went back to workplace's covid FAQ area and couldn't find any guidance on who to submit it to, does it need to be mailed, should I fax a copy and then mail the signed letter etc.
IF I was going to comply if they refuse the exemption an answer is needed by Dec 8 minus 5 weeks to get jabbed before the deadlines to take the Pfizer 2 jab vaccine.

Since I objected based on the abortion aspect taking the JandJ would be right out. My cynical side thinks HR are slow walking things hoping to panic folks into just taking the shots. LOLGF, I'm not going to starve without this job. My group has a greater than zero chance of imploding before they can replace me since we are quite specialized but the majority voted commiecrat and even they had been 100% Trump voters I can't go against my principles just to reduce their stress levels.

Posted by: PaleRider, wrecker mandate resister at October 07, 2021 10:46 AM (pxVvf)

193 The feast of Our Lady of the Rosary was instituted following the Christian victory over the Turks at the Battle of Lepanto on October 7, 1571. Pope St. Pius V, the "Pope of the Rosary," attributed the naval victory of the Catholic forces, who were greatly outnumbered, to the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Our Lady was invoked on the day of battle through a papal campaign asking the faithful across Europe to pray the rosary for the triumph of the Church.
Posted by: Tonypete

CORRECT !

Posted by: JT at October 07, 2021 10:47 AM (arJlL)

194 Ahh..did they accept the turtle's offer? I'm still confused if the turtle is being cunning or an idiot.
Posted by: IC at October 07, 2021 10:41 AM


Kabuki theater. All of it.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 07, 2021 10:48 AM (m+jkK)

195 "the feds accidentally released the powerpoint admitting that 60% of hospitalized with COVID patients were vaxxinated?"

I read that linked article as "the over 65 group with 80% vaccination rate, made up 60% of the hospital admissions". So the vaccine reduced the expected rate of 80% to 60% ... which is not so awesome, especially considering the vaccine has (major?) risks of its own.

And I wonder if the count the people that got vaccinated, but only within two weeks of getting covid (which was one standard set, to reducing/manipulating the counting of those getting the vaccine but still getting covid)

Posted by: illiniwek at October 07, 2021 10:48 AM (Cus5s)

196 It IS their decision, but these dumbasses have been influenced by internet stories of mass deaths after taking vaccines. 15 million took the J&J jab, and 47 cases of thrombosis were reported. 376 million for Moderna - 2 cases reported. Pretty damn good odds.

Scotland got the jab this summer, and managed to get half their population to take it. They also registered 1300 extra deaths - yes more then the previous summer with COVID.

So what did those people die from if not the jab? As per their other figures it was NOT COVID.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 07, 2021 10:48 AM (ESjRY)

197 In NPC-land, if the media doesn't report it, it didn't happen.
______________

Read here about what happened in Uttar Pradesh, India's most populous state, which had a very low vaccination rate (5%), after they handed out a "magic" $2 medical kit (containing Vit D, zinc, tylenol, ivermectin, doxycycline) to fight the virus. In a matter of weeks, they eradicated almost all of the virus.

https://tinyurl.com/badbms9u

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at October 07, 2021 10:48 AM (k4dH2)

198 >>Since I objected based on the abortion aspect


Asserting your objection is enough.

You have NO obligation to flesh out that belief and they have no metric through which they can test / deny that objection.

Anything beyond, I have an objection on religious grounds/basis should be criminal.

Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2021 10:48 AM (8k/pR)

199 Ahh..did they accept the turtle's offer? I'm still confused if the turtle is being cunning or an idiot.
Posted by: IC at October 07, 2021 10:41 AM (hV9ir)


Can't he be both, like the late Earl Warren?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 07, 2021 10:48 AM (2JVJo)

200 Senate reaches agreement to deepen the debt hole.

Has a nice ring to it.

Posted by: Max Power at October 07, 2021 10:49 AM (QCc6B)

201 I don't know about that; I do know that Titanic had no chance of getting the Blue Riband for fastest crossing, since Cunard's ships were faster. She might have set a record for White Star, but she was never going to be as fast as Lusitania.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at October 07, 2021 10:40 AM (2JVJo)
+++
Cunard ships were fast. You booked Cunard if you were in a hurry. White Star ships were nice. You booked White Star if you wanted a second-to-one luxury passage. The Titanic was fast, but used mostly older engine technology. It had massive reciprocating engines with a fast turbine, but the turbine turned only the center screw. That is a faster combination than just reciprocating engines, but not a speed demon configuration.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 07, 2021 10:49 AM (+IIqY)

202 The HQ seems to be browning out a bit. About 30 seconds or so.

Posted by: banana Dream at October 07, 2021 10:49 AM (4D/dn)

203 Well.
Most people are idiots.
Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2021 10:45 AM


"And should be beaten with tire irons."

- Insomniac's First Corollary

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 07, 2021 10:49 AM (m+jkK)

204 Twitchy says Ana Kasparian debated Ben Shapiro and her audience at Young Turks is white-hot irate. Apparently, talking to people with whom she disagrees makes her the enemy. Really weird, but OK.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 07, 2021 10:41 AM (092mq)
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Good. Maybe they'll cancel her. Anna Kasparian is a top level hypershrew and whatever makes her life miserable and empty is a net public benefit.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 07, 2021 10:50 AM (+IIqY)

205 "I despair at the sheep status of the entire population..."

Europe was reduced to serfdom before, in a similiar circumstance...though at least then the danger from brigands and marauders was real.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 07, 2021 10:50 AM (ESjRY)

206 Senate Democrats are gleefully crowing that Mitch caved.
Posted by: JuJuBee at October 07, 2021 10:46 AM (mNhhD)


A day ending in "y".

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at October 07, 2021 10:50 AM (y7DUB)

207 Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at October 07, 2021 10:46 AM (flINI)

I got both shots in March.. There is no shame in it. .It just shouldn't be mandatory

Posted by: It's me donna at October 07, 2021 10:50 AM (RLGan)

208 >>The HQ seems to be browning out a bit. About 30 seconds or so.



It gives Bob at the NSA time to do excercise his Warrant for his 'Keyword Searches'.

Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2021 10:50 AM (8k/pR)

209 You know what everyone needs more of? MANURE!

Stick an accent mark on the E and Gwyneth Paltrow will sell that shit for $50 an ounce.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 07, 2021 10:51 AM (T7iTv)

210 Read here about what happened in Uttar Pradesh, India's most populous state, which had a very low vaccination rate (5%), after they handed out a "magic" $2 medical kit (containing Vit D, zinc, tylenol, ivermectin, doxycycline) to fight the virus. In a matter of weeks, they eradicated almost all of the virus.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at October 07, 2021 10:48 AM (k4dH2)
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More like Uttar NONSENSE, mirite, my CCP masters?

Posted by: MSNBXi at October 07, 2021 10:51 AM (ePZfA)

211 Delta is ready when you are.

Posted by: 370H55V at October 07, 2021 10:51 AM (WusEB)

212 Europe was reduced to serfdom before, in a similiar circumstance...though at least then the danger from brigands and marauders was real.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 07, 2021 10:50 AM


Yeah, about that...

Posted by: BLM and Antifa at October 07, 2021 10:51 AM (m+jkK)

213 172 OK, someone help me out here. As I understand it, the original CoV has evolved/mutated/changed into several variants, the most prominent now is Delta (?). As far as I can tell, the several "vaccines" only have some effectiveness against the original virus, but not against the variants, as evidenced by the rising numbers of infected persons who ARE vaccinated. The Delta variant is more contagious (?), but less lethal. Where have I erred?

Posted by: LRob in TN at October 07, 2021 10:43 AM (jboH3)

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I wish I had the link (sorry, can't recall where I read it), but my understanding is that these "vaccines" -- designed to induce an immune response to the original alpha variant -- actually end up suppressing the immune system in general, leaving people even more susceptible then to other variants and viruses.

Posted by: ShainS -- Unauthorized Freedom Exhibitionist at October 07, 2021 10:52 AM (vAHT7)

214 Europe was reduced to serfdom before, in a similiar circumstance...though at least then the danger from brigands and marauders was real.
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Been to Chicago recently (or anywhere in Northern Ill)?

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 07, 2021 10:52 AM (MIKMs)

215 - Insomniac's First Corollary
Posted by: RedMindBlueState

Shhhh.....he's sleeping !

Posted by: JT at October 07, 2021 10:52 AM (arJlL)

216 As far as I can tell, the several "vaccines" only have some effectiveness against the original virus, but not against the variants, as evidenced by the rising numbers of infected persons who ARE vaccinated. The Delta variant is more contagious (?), but less lethal. Where have I erred?
Posted by: LRob in TN
..
By not bothering to look for the answer?

Mayo Clinic on vaccine effectiveness against the Delta variant:

https://tinyurl.com/yeklnmrj

Pfizer - 96% effuctive against Delta / Moderna - 72% after a single dose. 96% against sever illness / J&J 85% against Delta

Jesus H Christ, people. Stop getting your scientific results from fucking Facebook!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 07, 2021 10:52 AM (CjFDo)

217 The argument the government makes for mandating it is EXPLICITLY because it stops you from spreading Wu Flu.
=================


Except you can be a super-spreader once infected.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2021 10:52 AM (OCTRt)

218 So what did those people die from if not the jab? As per their other figures it was NOT COVID.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 07, 2021 10:48 AM (ESjRY)

Its been shown that the Jab mucks up your immune system right after taking it. It is not known whether there are long term effects to your immune system.

It programs your immune system to really go after a disease you do not have, weakening it against all other things your immune system normally fights.

That is where those extra deaths are coming from.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2021 10:52 AM (oHd/0)

219 I don't know about that; I do know that Titanic had no chance of getting the Blue Riband for fastest crossing, since Cunard's ships were faster. She might have set a record for White Star, but she was never going to be as fast as Lusitania.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at October 07, 2021 10:40 AM (2JVJo)


Wow, Sandy, I had no idea you were a historical naval expert.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 07, 2021 10:53 AM (T7iTv)

220 I got both shots in March.. There is no shame in it. .It just shouldn't be mandatory

Posted by: It's me donna at October 07, 2021 10:50 AM (RLGan)

Exactly. Personal choice.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 07, 2021 10:53 AM (Q9lwr)

221 Re Winged Hussars

Tyler's are those who think that September 11 was chosen because irks marked the high point of Islamic strength and reach into Europe. Within 20 years of the relief of Vienna, the Ottomans lost most of Hungary, Wallachia, and the Balkans.

Posted by: Fox2 at October 07, 2021 10:53 AM (qyH+l)

222 - Insomniac's First Corollary
Posted by: RedMindBlueState

Shhhh.....he's sleeping !
Posted by: JT at October 07, 2021 10:52 AM


*lowers voice*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 07, 2021 10:53 AM (m+jkK)

223 209 You know what everyone needs more of? MANURE!

Stick an accent mark on the E and Gwyneth Paltrow will sell that shit for $50 an ounce.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 07, 2021 10:51 AM (T7iTv)
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I have a theory that Will Ferrell did his "Mogatu" character around her at a party, and she was too inebriated to know he was fiction, and to this day is still scheming to rip off the entire D'ERELICTE fashion concept.

Posted by: reason at October 07, 2021 10:53 AM (ePZfA)

224 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 07, 2021 10:49 AM (+IIqY)

There's a line in the musical Titanic where designer Thomas Andrews says to owner Bruce Ismay, "Cunard may get their passengers there a little faster, yes - but White Star gives them a far better ride."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 07, 2021 10:53 AM (2JVJo)

225 >>> That's how confident the Left is in their ideas, you're not allowed to talk to anyone that challenges them.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 07, 2021 10:46 AM (ZGrMX)


They are not confident in any of their ideas but the one idea that is to suppress and exterminate you. They have realized, as all leftists realize eventually, supremacy by force, eternal war with the enemy, is the means AND the goal.

Posted by: banana Dream at October 07, 2021 10:53 AM (4D/dn)

226 I had just started high school when the Hong Kong flu came through (68-69). Last numbers I saw from CDC 400,000+ died, in a pop of 220 million. There was not the panic then we see now, in fact Woodstock went right on happening during it (like Lollapalooza now?). Schools weren't shut down either.

Posted by: Lirio100 at October 07, 2021 10:54 AM (uFOGo)

227 >>Jesus H Christ, people. Stop getting your scientific results from fucking Facebook!



Yeah!
Trust the people working hand in hand with the Government Agencies responsible for keeping you safe, for Chrissakes.




Never change ChiTown. The world needs people like you.

Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2021 10:54 AM (8k/pR)

228 220 I got both shots in March.. There is no shame in it. .It just shouldn't be mandatory

Posted by: It's me donna at October 07, 2021 10:50 AM (RLGan)

Exactly. Personal choice.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 07, 2021 10:53 AM (Q9lwr)

More than that, it's the explicit acceptance that given how this is positioned, one person's decisions do not impact another's.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 07, 2021 10:55 AM (KbCG3)

229 >>>Within 20 years of the relief of Vienna, the Ottomans lost most of Hungary, Wallachia, and the Balkans.

Posted by: Fox2


I mean, are the Balkans really a loss?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 07, 2021 10:55 AM (XSRBF)

230 Wow, Sandy, I had no idea you were a historical naval expert.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 07, 2021 10:53 AM (T7iTv)
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She spends a lot of time around seamen.

Posted by: reason at October 07, 2021 10:55 AM (ePZfA)

231 "busty" "lesbian"

Posted by: bob at the NSA at October 07, 2021 10:55 AM (UHVv4)

232 Pfizer - 96% effuctive against Delta / Moderna - 72% after a single dose. 96% against sever illness / J&J 85% against Delta

Jesus H Christ, people. Stop getting your scientific results from fucking Facebook!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry


Now do animal trials.
Pfizer - 100% dead.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2021 10:56 AM (OCTRt)

233 When drug companies are seeking emergency authorizations for vaccinating kids age 5-11 (who are statistically the lowest-risk group), it seems to me that this is about maximizing revenue, not public health.

Posted by: Cybernetic at October 07, 2021 10:56 AM (xawZJ)

234 Efucktive treatments, the paolo offers this thing.

Posted by: the paolo at October 07, 2021 10:56 AM (4D/dn)

235 Well.
Most people are idiots.
Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2021 10:45 AM

"And should be beaten with tire irons."

- Insomniac's First Corollary
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
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Words to live by.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 07, 2021 10:56 AM (oY5A0)

236 Kurt is either Mary Cloggenstein or he's Juan Williams.

I can't figure out which.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 07, 2021 10:56 AM (OssQ4)

237 Fenelon, if you are still checking in, prayers up for Fenspouse. Had it done twice, a bunch of arteries. The last time was year 2001, so it can work well.

Posted by: From That Time at October 07, 2021 10:57 AM (V/nFD)

238 Germany brings back yellow badges, this time to identify the vaccinated.

https://bit.ly/3ArqO1y

I'm not joking, this appears to be real.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 07, 2021 10:57 AM (YYlyE)

239 >>When drug companies are seeking emergency authorizations for vaccinating kids age 5-11 (who are statistically the lowest-risk group), it seems to me that this is about maximizing revenue, not public health.


Now you've gona and upset Jerry.

Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2021 10:57 AM (8k/pR)

240 This brunette is wearing a flowing dress on the beach and doesn't think she needs to purchase any manure to improve her experience:
https://is.gd/gPrTpk

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 07, 2021 10:57 AM (+IIqY)

241 When drug companies are seeking emergency authorizations for vaccinating kids age 5-11 (who are statistically the lowest-risk group), it seems to me that this is about maximizing revenue, not public health.

--

Elected public officials' stock portfolios will confirm this as true. There should be full transparency.

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 07, 2021 10:57 AM (O+I8R)

242 >>>When drug companies are seeking emergency authorizations for vaccinating kids age 5-11 (who are statistically the lowest-risk group), it seems to me that this is about maximizing revenue, not public health.

Posted by: Cybernetic


I have a 12-year old daughter and a 13-year old son. They are not getting the vaccines. Not happening.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 07, 2021 10:57 AM (XSRBF)

243 Millions in mass graves...just a coincidence.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at October 07, 2021 10:57 AM (aLutp)

244 That's how confident the Left is in their ideas, you're not allowed to talk to anyone that challenges them.
Posted by: Ian S.

My oldest insisted my wife and I get the shot or he would limit our time with the grands. He was monumentally disinterested in what our medical providers have advised us concerning the shot and how it may/or may not affect our conditions.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 07, 2021 10:58 AM (e1mwr)

245 The McConnell offer is fine and not really a cave since GOP isn't really in control of what happens.

Dems can/should do debt limit increase by reconciliation (needs 50 votes), but the other option is to nuke the filibuster (also just needs 50 votes) ... notionally just nuke it for the debt limit increase bill, but once the precedent is set it'll be easier to justify nuking it for "other important things" (e.g., "Well, if paying Chinese bond holders and Wall Street banks interest is worth breaking the filibuster then why isn't [saving the planet, preventing Jim Crow 2.0, whatever panic MSM has ginned up today, etc.]?"

That was the prog play, what for markets to panic, then force Manchin/Sinema or whatever apostate GOP willing to do it to vote to get rid of the filibuster [for just the debt limit, we promise].

Posted by: Match Checksout at October 07, 2021 10:58 AM (dYe5S)

246 Mayo Clinic on vaccine effectiveness against the Delta variant:


Looking at the data from Israel, they are having more infections since getting the population jabbed, and the first booster.

Deaths are down, by maybe a third to a half. That does not mesh with the statistics from the Mayo clinic.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 07, 2021 10:58 AM (ESjRY)

247 I have a 12-year old daughter and a 13-year old son. They are not getting the vaccines. Not happening.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 07, 2021 10:57 AM (XSRBF)

Wise

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 07, 2021 10:58 AM (V6f9+)

248 >>>Germany brings back yellow badges, this time to identify the vaccinated.

https://bit.ly/3ArqO1y

Posted by: bonhomme

Is there a less self-aware country than Germany?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 07, 2021 10:58 AM (XSRBF)

249 When drug companies are seeking emergency authorizations for vaccinating kids age 5-11 (who are statistically the lowest-risk group), it seems to me that this is about maximizing revenue, not public health.
Posted by: Cybernetic


Since they got FDA approval for the clot shot, why are they still seeking Emergency Authorization?

Whoops.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2021 10:59 AM (OCTRt)

250 I mean, are the Balkans really a loss?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp
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We rely on them to spawn our recruits.

Posted by: The French Foreign Legion at October 07, 2021 10:59 AM (oY5A0)

251 Garrett. Maybe in theory. I found the Fed employees PDF guidelines for religious exemption. How long have you held these beliefs? Do you object to all vaccines? Have you received any other vaccines? When was the last vaccine received? How would taking the vaccine affect the *exercise* of your religion and lots of other B.S. Political opinion does not count as an exemption (can't just say gub'mint is evil and I don't trust em)

So I wrote a bit about objecting to using cells from aborted fetuses to test or develop the covid vaccines. Johnson and Johnson's official "oh our vaccine doesn't have any aborted cells in it" explanation made my skin crawl. I don't object to vaccines per se. I just got the Shingrix series this past year, and aside from not trusting supposed HIPPA privacy rules I had mentioned that fact to co-workers. But J and J just joined the list of companies that I'll try to avoid anything they make.

Posted by: PaleRider, wrecker mandate resister at October 07, 2021 10:59 AM (pxVvf)

252 "I think this Delta wave is probably the last major surge of SARS-CoV-2 infection that we have in the U.S., barring something unexpected happening,"

Hold our Tsingtao.

Posted by: PRC and Friends at October 07, 2021 11:00 AM (m3XFr)

253 By not bothering to look for the answer?
Mayo Clinic on vaccine effectiveness against the Delta variant:
https://tinyurl.com/yeklnmrj
Pfizer - 96% effuctive against Delta / Moderna - 72% after a single dose. 96% against sever illness / J&J 85% against Delta
**

Or you could look at the CDC's own prison study that would be remarkably similar to hospitals:

cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/
mm7038e3-H.pdf

You're possibly around 50% "protected" between months 2-4, and after 4-6 months there's no statistical difference between you and an unvaccinated person.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 60% of COVID hospitalizations are vaccinated, see slide 12 at October 07, 2021 11:00 AM (RDD2k)

254 >>>Wise

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards


My 13-year old, the genius of the house, reads up on it all the time. He probably knows more about the vax than I do, and he said he will not get it.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 07, 2021 11:00 AM (XSRBF)

255 If you ever receive an email or phone call and you hear the words, "you may be entitled to compensation", just know, that whatever it is, was once approved by the FDA or other government entity.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2021 11:00 AM (OCTRt)

256 If you look at the past ten or so major infectious diseases in the US such as H1N1 etc, its basically a 3-year window of noticeable cases, with the third year a serious decrease, then a few scattered cases over the next two to three years.

HOWEVER, that was back when we let common sense, proper treatment, and natural immunity handle this kind of thing rather than trying to "end" the virus by outrageously economy- and culture- destroying overreactions. Its not impossible that this will delay natural immunity and cause the problem to last longer.

Pfizer - 96% effuctive against Delta / Moderna - 72% after a single dose. 96% against sever illness / J&J 85% against Delta

I'm curious what you mean by "effective" here. Effective in what way?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2021 11:00 AM (KZzsI)

257 248 >>>Germany brings back yellow badges, this time to identify the vaccinated.

https://bit.ly/3ArqO1y

Posted by: bonhomme

Is there a less self-aware country than Germany?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 07, 2021 10:58 AM (XSRBF)

They have, by law, effectively edited out a piece of their history. So now, you have a generation in power, who do not even SEE how this looks.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2021 11:01 AM (oHd/0)

258 Or you could look at the CDC's own prison study that would be remarkably similar to hospitals:

What is ironic is that Jerry seems to be getting his data from social media, which he accuses others of, instead of actual studies and hard data from around the world.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2021 11:01 AM (KZzsI)

259 When drug companies are seeking emergency authorizations for vaccinating kids age 5-11 (who are statistically the lowest-risk group), it seems to me that this is about maximizing revenue, not public health.

Posted by: Cybernetic
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...also, maximizing the amount of graphene in, well, everybody, according to Mrs. Reason.

Posted by: reason at October 07, 2021 11:01 AM (ePZfA)

260 >>>You're possibly around 50% "protected" between months 2-4, and after 4-6 months there's no statistical difference between you and an unvaccinated person.

Posted by: Moron Robbie


I was forced to get the vax, but I am truly hoping I get Covid again to - hopefully - recover the antibodies.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 07, 2021 11:01 AM (XSRBF)

261 My oldest insisted my wife and I get the shot or he would limit our time with the grands. He was monumentally disinterested in what our medical providers have advised us concerning the shot and how it may/or may not affect our conditions.

This generation has been so dummied down that their view of the world is as of a small child; lacking theory of mind and both horizontal and vertical decalage.

Life is a series of univariant equations with binary results.

I'm pretty sure primates have more sophistication and complexity of abstract concepts than those representing this generation of "adults".

Posted by: Reuben Hick at October 07, 2021 11:01 AM (+LCoQ)

262 I have a 12-year old daughter and a 13-year old son. They are not getting the vaccines. Not happening.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp

I hope they're never in a place where they can be given them against your will then. Like at school. Just saying. Don't think this isn't a likely possibility.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 07, 2021 11:01 AM (OssQ4)

263 If rising cases correspond to high vaccination rates, then what exactly is the advantage of worldwide vaccination?


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$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Posted by: runner at October 07, 2021 11:02 AM (V13WU)

264 It would be nice if we had an organization that would take quoted data from a drug company, and explicitly compare it to real world data, and if they differed pull the drug in question until new, more tightly monitored studies could be done.

We could all them something like, I don't know...the Federal Food and Drug administration.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 07, 2021 11:02 AM (ESjRY)

265 plus a tinsy tiny bit of elitism

Posted by: runner at October 07, 2021 11:02 AM (V13WU)

266 >>>They have, by law, effectively edited out a piece of their history. So now, you have a generation in power, who do not even SEE how this looks.

Posted by: Romeo13

The same will happen here in a generation, as the left is removing Confederate statues and the like. No one will know about the Civil War, because there will be almost nothing left of it.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 07, 2021 11:02 AM (XSRBF)

267 >>Garrett. Maybe in theory. I found the Fed employees PDF guidelines for religious exemption.


Well. The Law is firmly on the side of not answering those questions. How that shakes out in an employment situation is likely less that convenient...but you could go to the mat on it and by all rights the Courts should be on your side.

ANY further question is interpreted as a violation of your Religious Rights, by precedent. Multipe precendents.

Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2021 11:03 AM (8k/pR)

268 >>>It is akin to mandating that every car in the world be outfitted with child seats, even though only a small percentage of those cars will ever be used to carry children.

I think this analogy works.
Posted by: m at October 07, 2021 10:13 AM (nzEdf)

Heh. I bought my late, lamented 1996 Diesel Suburban in Portland, OR, in 2006. When I imported it to Canada, it had to be made compliant with Canadian Federal regs. Which included having tie-down hooks for child seat restraints. The shop that did the "out-of-country" inspection gave me a little plastic bag with tie-down hook and a bolt in it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 07, 2021 11:03 AM (Gsf/L)

269 Garrett. Maybe in theory. I found the Fed employees PDF guidelines for religious exemption. How long have you held these beliefs?

Do you object to all vaccines?



No. Only the ones that use dead baby parts.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2021 11:03 AM (OCTRt)

270 I guess Pandemic panic no longer plays well. I wonder what will be said about the Wuhan Flu this time next year?

Posted by: exdem13 at October 07, 2021 11:03 AM (W+kMI)

271 My 13-year old, the genius of the house, reads up on it all the time. He probably knows more about the vax than I do, and he said he will not get it.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp

Good for him. Sounds like my 15 yr old young lady neighbor. She's my 14 yr old granddaughter's pal and is having a marvelous impact.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 07, 2021 11:03 AM (e1mwr)

272 My oldest insisted my wife and I get the shot or he would limit our time with the grands.
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That argument has been used for other vaccine boosters as well. DPT (diptheria, pertussis, and something else) was on the rise (we had lotsa 'immigrants') and so revaccinations were recommended strongly if original vax was more than 20 years ago. I did because I knew about the bad whooping cough outbreaks.

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 07, 2021 11:03 AM (MIKMs)

273 Occam's Razor clearly indicated that there are nefarious reasons why the "elites" are pushing the jab.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 07, 2021 11:04 AM (iDcra)

274 >>>I hope they're never in a place where they can be given them against your will then. Like at school. Just saying. Don't think this isn't a likely possibility.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist


My kids all attended Catholic school, so they'll fight it, like they fought masks. If it comes to that, I'll bring them home. Mrs. Earp was a school teacher.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 07, 2021 11:04 AM (XSRBF)

275 >>My 13-year old, the genius of the house, reads up on it all the time. He probably knows more about the vax than I do, and he said he will not get it.


Amazingly, our Government will help him cut off his dick and wear a dress and insist that everyone at his school call him Brenda.

...but, that same Government will force him to take a vaccine he doesn't need and might actually cause him serious harm, to go to school

Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2021 11:05 AM (8k/pR)

276 Pssst. I've got anti bodies and anti anti bodies.

Here..free samples.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at October 07, 2021 11:05 AM (aLutp)

277 The current epidemic that no one is mentioning in the "news" media is the super-increased suicide rate in the nation, especially among young people teens to thirties who think their life is going nowhere and won't get better. It's a terrible waste and nothing is being done.

Posted by: exdem13 at October 07, 2021 11:05 AM (W+kMI)

278 That argument has been used for other vaccine boosters as well. DPT (diptheria, pertussis, and something else)

My memory is that Tetanus, the T here, kills 10% of unvaccinated people. Consider this versus the .2% of Wu Flu.

And the DPT hasn't killed 15K people (at least) in the US alone.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 07, 2021 11:05 AM (ESjRY)

279 Read here about what happened in Uttar Pradesh, India's most populous state, which had a very low vaccination rate (5%), after they handed out a "magic" $2 medical kit (containing Vit D, zinc, tylenol, ivermectin, doxycycline) to fight the virus. In a matter of weeks, they eradicated almost all of the virus.

https://tinyurl.com/badbms9u
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at October 07, 2021 10:48 AM (k4dH2)
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Thank you for that link

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 07, 2021 11:05 AM (092mq)

280 Pfizer - 96% effuctive against Delta / Moderna - 72% after a single dose. 96% against sever illness / J&J 85% against Delta

I'm curious what you mean by "effective" here. Effective in what way?


Its right there in the text "severe illness". Not to be confused with positive tests and non-hospitalized infections.

%97 effective against getting intubated. Unvaxx even when including those held captive in death centers 2Q-2020, %99.8 against death.

Its the co-morbidities that do the killing, its the C19 that gets the money.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at October 07, 2021 11:05 AM (+LCoQ)

281 The COVID vaccine has opened many peoples eyes to vaccine research and preparation. Past doesn't matter beyond asking forgiveness.

Don't approach it with an abortion angle. That's playing into their hands. Tell them it's the mark of the Beast and you are terrified that you'll burn in Hell forever if you get it.

THAT is religion. They can't argue with beliefs.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 60% of COVID hospitalizations are vaccinated, see slide 12 at October 07, 2021 11:05 AM (RDD2k)

282 Bit of good news: Just saw a youtube video saying that 'Kyle Rittenhouse will WALK- Prosecutors FAIL on Rittenhouse case'

mmmmm, coffee.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 07, 2021 11:06 AM (csEWM)

283 The dramatic videos of people collapsing in the street in China lit the fuse. China WANTED those videos out. Trump was squeezing them hard.
Posted by: free tibet at October 07, 2021 10:18 AM (f0UyA)

China staged those videos. Nothing gets out of China that the regime doesn't want to get out.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 07, 2021 11:06 AM (Gsf/L)

284 I saw my Dr. this morning and he says that Dr's and hospitals are noticing this link between the vaccines and blot clots and he thinks the research will eventually prove this out once politics gets out of the picture.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 07, 2021 11:06 AM (Y5qcH)

285 My litmus test for 2022-

Do you support either Mitch McConnell or Kevin McCarthy?

Posted by: Capital Eff at October 07, 2021 11:06 AM (5tb3b)

286 Love Andrew WK

Posted by: Zeera Hunkering down here, Boss at October 07, 2021 11:06 AM (fC8md)

287 I am apparently no longer allowed to read the New England Journal of Medicine.
They have blocked my internet protocol address.


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clear your browser history...

Posted by: runner at October 07, 2021 11:06 AM (V13WU)

288 probably reached the limit for free reads

Posted by: runner at October 07, 2021 11:07 AM (V13WU)

289 It is akin to mandating that every car in the world be outfitted with child seats, even though only a small percentage of those cars will ever be used to carry children. I think this analogy works. Posted by: m at October 07, 2021 10:13 AM (nzEdf)

Heh. I bought my late, lamented 1996 Diesel Suburban in Portland, OR, in 2006. When I imported it to Canada, it had to be made compliant with Canadian Federal regs. Which included having tie-down hooks for child seat restraints. The shop that did the "out-of-country" inspection gave me a little plastic bag with tie-down hook and a bolt in it. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 07, 2021 11:03 AM (Gsf/L)

The waste from mandated safety and energy-saving equipment is ubiquitous in modern life.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 07, 2021 11:08 AM (BMmaB)

290 "because the data show that vaccination seems to decrease serious illness and hospitalization."

Seems to, or actually does? How do we know this?

Posted by: Ordinary American at October 07, 2021 11:08 AM (H8QX8)

291 7 The difficulty is getting the rest of the world vaccinated , Gottlieb, a member of the Pfizer Inc. board of directors, said.

The stupid, it burns.
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More like, none of the dictators and kleptocrats who hold sway in the third and Fourth World care if some peons and old people die from super flu. And, bluntly, Wuhan flu is small potatoes compared to Third World Problems.

Posted by: exdem13 at October 07, 2021 11:08 AM (W+kMI)

292 What is concerning is that doctors/medical researchers are not investigating the side effects... AT ALL.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 07, 2021 11:09 AM (iDcra)

293 AOP agree, wouldn't put it past them to fake videos to make them more fear spreading

Posted by: Skip's Phone at October 07, 2021 11:09 AM (GT+Q4)

294 "Event 201 at JHU was not a coincidence. Under normal circumstances their prescience would have been lauded, but it was barely mentioned. Why?
Posted by: CN at October 07, 2021 10:38 AM (ONvIw)"

If we start pitching commies from helicopters as we should, we'll probably never know.

Ultimately this is a commie problem, not a pandemic problem.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at October 07, 2021 11:09 AM (sSrKq)

295 273 Occam's Razor clearly indicated that there are nefarious reasons why the "elites" are pushing the jab.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 07, 2021 11:04 AM (iDcra)

My Theory? The Jabs muck up your immune system, which will cause a rise in deaths from other causes. They KNOW this.

The non vaxxed are a control group large enough to show the nationwide statistical change. Thus, they must ride themselves of said control group.

Its the ONLY thing I can think of (besides money) as to why those who have already had and recovered from Covid, are not exempted from the mandate.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2021 11:09 AM (oHd/0)

296 This brunette is wearing a flowing dress on the beach and doesn't think she needs to purchase any manure to improve her experience:
https://is.gd/gPrTpk
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 07, 2021 10:57 AM (+IIqY)


I never cared for those type of dresses. The neck thing reminds me of a horse collar.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 07, 2021 11:09 AM (2JVJo)

297 >>>...but, that same Government will force him to take a vaccine he doesn't need and might actually cause him serious harm, to go to school

Posted by: garrett


Sadly true.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 07, 2021 11:10 AM (XSRBF)

298 he thinks the research will eventually prove this out once politics gets out of the picture.

That is the problem, though: when will politics get out of the picture? This is a method by which executives can exercise absolute control and power. They're not giving that up without a replacement or a fight.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2021 11:10 AM (KZzsI)

299 Critical Race Theory Invades The Salvation Army

https://tinyurl.com/a5jnwz8c

Hear the commie bell ring at Christmas time.

Posted by: Capital Eff at October 07, 2021 11:10 AM (5tb3b)

300 he says that Dr's and hospitals are noticing this link between the vaccines and blot clots and he thinks the research will eventually prove this out once politics gets out of the picture.

==


usually best to do this research before mass vaxx mandates, but what he hell, can't make an omelette...as uncle Joe Stalin used to say

Posted by: runner at October 07, 2021 11:10 AM (V13WU)

301 Ultimately this is a commie problem, not a pandemic problem.
Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at October 07, 2021 11:09 AM (sSrKq)

Yup, the problem is not medical science, its now political science.

And the pandemic is NOT Covid, it's Fear.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2021 11:10 AM (oHd/0)

302 Do you support either Mitch McConnell or Kevin McCarthy?
Posted by: Capital Eff

Q - Do you reject Mitch McConnell?
R - I do.
Q - And all his works?
R - I do.
Q - And all his empty promises?
R - I do.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 07, 2021 11:11 AM (e1mwr)

303 "293 What is concerning is that doctors/medical researchers are not investigating the side effects... AT ALL.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 07, 2021 11:09 AM (iDcra)"

Some are, it's just that (1) most of them are moonbats and thus won't for political reasons, and (2) there will be no federal funding for it, and no funding from most of the usual sources (which are also riddled with moonbats)

A lot of non-leftists are underestimating how many lefties are rolling with the official narrative for political expediency even though they know it's bullshit.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at October 07, 2021 11:11 AM (sSrKq)

304 They're not giving that up without a replacement or a fight.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2021 11:10 AM (KZzsI)

And considering that govts. fund a large portion of this research, it will probably be really slow in coming.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 07, 2021 11:11 AM (Y5qcH)

305 Holy CRAP!! Russell Brand is making complete sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfxnKgCN3OY

As do many of his other videos. Particularly the one about the FDA in bed with big pharma.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 07, 2021 11:11 AM (iDcra)

306 Ad hominem is always bad, but Gottlieb has been among the more useless and even damaging figures during The Great Idiocy. Back when I was following it all very closely, there wasn't an eye-rolling stupid and invalid theme du jour he didn't embrace. Just as the institutions and most prominent figures in the field, just abandoned common sense - and pretty well founded epidemiology science - and joined the hysteria mob.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 07, 2021 11:11 AM (OTzUX)

307 Hold the Mayo

Posted by: Dr. Rumack at October 07, 2021 11:12 AM (63Dwl)

308 3 This whole affair has pretty well convinced me that the idea of a worldwide pandemic that wipes out humanity is probably overblown. Kind of like zombies. More an invention of active imaginations than having any real tie to how diseases spread.
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Well, Wuhan Flu could have been Captain Trips Lite if it'd been properly completed. (That we know, anyway. Is the PLA & CDC still working on it in Wuhan?) But the virus escaped containment and spread out into the general population, and now it's an invasive species, so to speak. We got he wimpy version & not the finished product, which might have justified the panic and control freak reaction.

Posted by: exdem13 at October 07, 2021 11:12 AM (W+kMI)

309 285 I saw my Dr. this morning and he says that Dr's and hospitals are noticing this link between the vaccines and blot clots and he thinks the research will eventually prove this out once politics gets out of the picture.


GREAT

my neighbor (in his 60s I'd guess) lost his eyesight in one eye the night after his first dose of ... Moderna! hopefully will resolve (they think). but still scary! today he was able to see but very blurry.

word is getting out - these shots are HARD on people. should never have been forced out en masse while virus is raging. very foolish. (it's basically the perfect scenario for a "vax"-resistant strain)

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 07, 2021 11:12 AM (j9HX3)

310 ..but, that same Government will force him to take a vaccine he doesn't need and might actually cause him serious harm, to go to school

Posted by: garrett

**

The problem with that being that the COVID might possibly infect him, and it could even infect him and make him sick once, and it could even infect him and make him REALLY sick once. But the odds are against it.

While each time you get shot, re-shot, boosted, and re-boosted you're running that risk.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 60% of COVID hospitalizations are vaccinated, see slide 12 at October 07, 2021 11:12 AM (RDD2k)

311 because the data show that vaccination seems to decrease serious illness and hospitalization

The shot only does that. It doesn't keep you from getting the Wuhan Flu, it keeps you from getting seriously ill from it. That's why its not actually a "vaccine" because an actual vaccine teaches your body to fight off an virus, protecting you from ever catching it.

The problem is, this shot only protects you from ONE variant of the virus, while making you significantly more vulnerable to any variants. Which is why you're seeing large numbers of hospitalized people who have gotten the shot.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2021 11:13 AM (KZzsI)

312
*Munkey*

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 07, 2021 11:13 AM (n+4am)

313 Durham Probes Pentagon Computer Contractors in Anti-Trump Conspiracy

At the time, Joffe was advising President Obama on security matters and positioning himself for a top cybersecurity post in an anticipated Clinton administration. "I was tentatively offered the top [cybersecurity] job by the Democrats when it looked like they'd win," he revealed in a November 2016 email obtained by prosecutors.

Meanwhile, the Georgia Tech researchers were vying for a $17 million Pentagon contract to research cybersecurity, which they landed in November 2016, federal documents show.

Government funding in hand, they continued mining nonpublic data on Trump after he took office in 2017 -- as Sussmann, Sullivan and other former Clinton campaign officials renewed their effort to connect Trump to Alfa Bank. This time, they enlisted former FBI analyst-turned-Democratic-operative Dan Jones to re-engage the FBI, while Sussmann attempted to get the CIA interested in the Internet data.

Posted by: SMOD at October 07, 2021 11:13 AM (RHGPo)

314 Good name for a band Obese Red Trump States

Posted by: steevy at October 07, 2021 11:14 AM (CYnTg)

315 "Yup, the problem is not medical science, its now political science.

And the pandemic is NOT Covid, it's Fear.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2021 11:10 AM (oHd/0)"

No, it's not fear, it's maliciousness. The blue-urban WFH and Zoom classes are gleefully stomping all over the deplorables with most of these mandates - not because they're afraid, but for the sake of the stomping itself. They know exactly what they're doing.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at October 07, 2021 11:14 AM (sSrKq)

316 Don't approach it with an abortion angle. That's playing into their hands. Tell them it's the mark of the Beast and you are terrified that you'll burn in Hell forever if you get it.

THAT is religion. They can't argue with beliefs.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - 60% of COVID hospitalizations are vaccinated, see slide 12 at October 07, 2021 11:05 AM (RDD2k)

Yup, this is NOT a vaccine, its a Gene Therapy that actually modifies part of your DNA.

God made us in his image. I won't let big Pharma change that.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2021 11:14 AM (oHd/0)

317 Holy CRAP!! Russell Brand is making complete sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfxnKgCN3OY

As do many of his other videos. Particularly the one about the FDA in bed with big pharma.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable


For some reason, people don't like him. But he is NOT STUPID AND HE makes a ton of sense.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2021 11:14 AM (OCTRt)

318 I got both shots in March.. There is no shame in it. .It just shouldn't be mandatory

Posted by: It's me donna at October 07, 2021 10:50 AM (RLGan)

Exactly. Personal choice.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 07, 2021 10:53 AM (Q9lwr)


This. This. This.
My company is currently trying to guilt you into getting it by requiring testing every week and masking regardless if you don't get the vax. They'll pay for the tests, but I can't imagine that's going to last long. I don't go to an office, ever really, so I'm 'exempt' for now. I will have to test before I go in at any time.

All for a vax that doesn't do what was billed and might even kill me anyway. Nope.

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at October 07, 2021 11:15 AM (9gDA7)

319 The problem is, this shot only protects you from ONE variant of the virus

**

Speaking of, are the boosters still just the original shots for the 2019 version?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 60% of COVID hospitalizations are vaccinated, see slide 12 at October 07, 2021 11:15 AM (RDD2k)

320 There's a host of reasons not to like Russel Brand: he's a drugged up scumbag who is super hard left and disgusting. But he's not stupid, and when he actually applies his brain to subjects he can be reasonable at times.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2021 11:15 AM (KZzsI)

321 315 do nice to know we'll get a few token declarations and low-level indictments after the damage is complete.

Posted by: CN at October 07, 2021 11:15 AM (ONvIw)

322 The shot only does that. It doesn't keep you from getting the Wuhan Flu, it keeps you from getting seriously ill from it. That's why its not actually a "vaccine" because an actual vaccine teaches your body to fight off an virus, protecting you from ever catching it.
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And that boys and girls is why the FDA/CDC changed their definition of vaccine to fit what this "vaccine" actually does... at best

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 07, 2021 11:16 AM (iDcra)

323 I got both shots in March.. There is no shame in it. .It just shouldn't be mandatory

Posted by: It's me donna

Exactly. Personal choice.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Yep.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 07, 2021 11:16 AM (e1mwr)

324 Speaking of, are the boosters still just the original shots for the 2019 version?

That is a good question and I don't know if anyone anywhere has asked or gotten an answer to that.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2021 11:16 AM (KZzsI)

325 >>> That was the prog play, what for markets to panic, then force Manchin/Sinema or whatever apostate GOP willing to do it to vote to get rid of the filibuster [for just the debt limit, we promise].
Posted by: Match Checksout at October 07, 2021 10:58 AM (dYe5S)


So unless you do this horrible thing that your voters don't want us to do we will do this other even more horrible thing your voters don't want us to do and we could still do at any future time.

If you, an unarmed person, don't let me kill you then I warn you, I may insult you. A lot.

The R's are the D' bitches in every way.

Posted by: banana Dream at October 07, 2021 11:16 AM (4D/dn)

326 clear your browser history...

He was referring to the researcher...but there's various levels of "sanitization" from using a private browser tab to a VPN with an IP from Inner Bumfukistan to doing the VPN thing in a VirtualBox etc VM.

Always good to have 'throwaway' VMs, email addrs, etc.

Posted by: JEM at October 07, 2021 11:17 AM (8erNz)

327 I never cared for those type of dresses. The neck thing reminds me of a horse collar.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

"Whoa Nellie !"

Posted by: JT at October 07, 2021 11:17 AM (arJlL)

328 nice to know we'll get a few token declarations and low-level indictments after the damage is complete.

In maybe 5 years we'll probably see some big fines laid out but no lawsuits against the drug companies allowed.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2021 11:17 AM (KZzsI)

329 We could all them something like, I don't know...the Federal Food and Drug administration.
Posted by: 18-1
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My sense, and it's only a sense, is that the ground-level FDA people resisted the the hurry-up approval of the vaccines, but were (and still are being) bulldozed by the political class.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 07, 2021 11:17 AM (oY5A0)

330 Convinced me to change doctors.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2021 10:32 AM (OCTRt)

The question for me is: not currently having a doctor, how do I find one that is suitably skeptical about the vaxx, and the "corporate spin" on Wuflu in general?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 07, 2021 11:17 AM (eMp/v)

331 3 Kind of like zombies. More an invention of active imaginations than having any real tie to how diseases spread.

----

Whoa whoa whoa....I have been preparing for zombies. There will be zombies. There must be zombies.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 07, 2021 11:17 AM (RoIW/)

332 @276
Thanks, that is another very good link.
==================

Dr. McCullough: "We are in the middle of a biological catastrophe"

"Rick Bright, the guy who blocked hydroxychloroquine inside the White House, and starved America of hydroxychloroquine, he has joined the Rockefeller Foundation," the doctor stated.

"Stephen Hahn, the FDA Commissioner who put all these negative blankets on hydroxychloroquine and the other drugs, he has joined the Venture Capital firm who basically is the funder of Moderna."

Regarding the National Institutes of Health, for which Fauci and Francis Collins work, McCullough said that "they co-own the patent for the Moderna vaccine."

"The conflict of interest is absolutely unavoidable and is crushing the lifeblood of medicine."

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 07, 2021 11:17 AM (092mq)

333 I was heartened on Monday. I let the group know that I might not be around after Dec 8 and a new hire, part time in our group of about 10 chimed in with "me too, they'll have to fire me" Gave me the impression he has no intention of even messing with submitting exemptions. He is newly out of college and has broad skills so I'm sure he has other work options. I'm old and narrow skills tailored to this job, but I have savings, and I could always get a non computer job.

Posted by: PaleRider, wrecker mandate resister at October 07, 2021 11:18 AM (pxVvf)

334 Amazingly, our Government will help him cut off his dick and wear a dress and insist that everyone at his school call him Brenda.

...but, that same Government will force him to take a vaccine he doesn't need and might actually cause him serious harm, to go to school
Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2021 11:05 AM (8k/pR)
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I identify as vaccinated.
This is my truth. You have to accept MY TRUTH. Bigots.

Posted by: reason at October 07, 2021 11:18 AM (ePZfA)

335 And that boys and girls is why the FDA/CDC changed their definition of vaccine to fit what this "vaccine" actually does... at best
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 07, 2021 11:16 AM (iDcra)

Snake oil tonics.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 07, 2021 11:18 AM (csEWM)

336 324 my BIL had the booster. It was a third pfizer shot. Nothing new added or subtracted.

Posted by: CN at October 07, 2021 11:18 AM (ONvIw)

337 Critical Race Theory Invades The Salvation Army
https://tinyurl.com/a5jnwz8c

Hear the commie bell ring at Christmas time.
Posted by: Capital Eff at October 07, 2021 11:10 AM (5tb3b)
++++
The "Let's Talk About Racism" initiative, officially rolled out July 7, is described in five slides that outline the larger Christian church's alleged complicity in racism and provide action plans to combat racism through what the initiative calls an "anti-racist" lens. ...
"Let's Talk About Racism" accuses white Salvationists of being unable or unwilling to acknowledge their racism, ...
The initiative also includes definitions of ... "Whiteness" that identify real or perceived differences in life outcomes ... to discrimination.

Sigh. I like the Salvation Army. They are one of two charities I support.

Well, perhaps past tense is appropriate now. Too bad. They did and presumably still do great work - but that won't last much longer now.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 07, 2021 11:18 AM (+IIqY)

338 For some reason, people don't like him. But he is NOT STUPID AND HE makes a ton of sense.

==
Yep. And I was one of them. He is very eloquent and smart to my surprise. Those videos are hardly spliced at all.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at October 07, 2021 11:18 AM (iDcra)

339 My Theory? The Jabs muck up your immune system, which will cause a rise in deaths from other causes. They KNOW this.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2021 11:09 AM (oHd/0)

Yes. Massive healthcare system crash when the immune system breakdowns cascade. Thus nationalized healthcare.

I also see the destruction of human immunity as a kind of metaphor. It's what they've been attempting culturally and spiritually, why not literally.

Posted by: Ordinary American at October 07, 2021 11:18 AM (H8QX8)

340 This. This. This.
My company is currently trying to guilt you into getting it by requiring testing every week and masking regardless if you don't get the vax. They'll pay for the tests, but I can't imagine that's going to last long. I don't go to an office, ever really, so I'm 'exempt' for now. I will have to test before I go in at any time.

All for a vax that doesn't do what was billed and might even kill me anyway. Nope.
Posted by: Sponge


I would almost swear we work for the same company. LOL.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2021 11:19 AM (OCTRt)

341 I never cared for those type of dresses

Not my favorite dress either but she's lovely

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2021 11:19 AM (KZzsI)

342 "313 because the data show that vaccination seems to decrease serious illness and hospitalization"

Except it doesn't decrease serious illness or hospitalization when you define "vaccinated" as "last shot in the series +2 weeks", and look at complete data from places that are very public with it like the UK or Israel.

It's clear as day that the shots drastically increase symptomatic cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.

Guys we are in "make these people dig the hole before they're shot and then shove them in it" territory here; the powers that be KNOW what is going on, and they're persisting anyways while censoring everything.

Now go look at the inflections in COVID deaths in highly vaxxed nations vs. their start date for boosters....

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at October 07, 2021 11:19 AM (sSrKq)

343 Whoa whoa whoa....I have been preparing for zombies. There will be zombies. There must be zombies.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob

When's the next Dem convention ?

Posted by: JT at October 07, 2021 11:19 AM (arJlL)

344 The shot only does that. It doesn't keep you from getting the Wuhan Flu, it keeps you from getting seriously ill from it.

Isn't that overstated? It does not keep you from serious illness; it makes serious illness less likely.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 07, 2021 11:20 AM (092mq)

345 Speaking of, are the boosters still just the original shots for the 2019 version?
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That is a good question and I don't know if anyone anywhere has asked or gotten an answer to that.

**

Publius and I were discussing it a month or so ago and they still were the old leftover useless doses. There were updated boosters in the works but they needed FDA approval and they were discussing fast-tracking them (which they'll get, of course).

But there are a LOT of original doses that still need selling, so get your boosters, citizens!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 60% of COVID hospitalizations are vaccinated, see slide 12 at October 07, 2021 11:20 AM (RDD2k)

346 Q - Do you reject Mitch McConnell?
R - I do.
Q - And all his works?
R - I do.
Q - And all his empty promises?
R - I do.
Posted by: Tonypete at October 07, 2021 11:11 AM (e1mwr)

Then the salt on the tongue and anointing with oil?

Posted by: Satai Daleen at October 07, 2021 11:20 AM (qyH+l)

347 Looks like the new guard has taken over Salvation Army. They held out a long time against stupidity and politics but eventually they all get infected.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2021 11:21 AM (KZzsI)

348
Speaking of, are the boosters still just the original shots for the 2019 version?
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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I suspect the latter. I have seen not word one about R&D for the 'booster', which, miraculously, is sitting on the shelf, ready to go.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 07, 2021 11:21 AM (oY5A0)

349 I remember when they accused GWB of doing the exact things the Dems are doing now, they said it was "crony capitalism" and was BAD for America.

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at October 07, 2021 11:21 AM (9gDA7)

350 The question for me is: not currently having a doctor, how do I find one that is suitably skeptical about the vaxx, and the "corporate spin" on Wuflu in general?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 07, 2021 11:17 AM (eMp/v)

I think I got lucky with mine, but he is probably near retirement. I've been told to avoid Dr's that always prescribe the newest drug. They are just pharma stooges.

If your Dr prescribes primarily older, established drugs where generics are available. They are probably more conservative.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 07, 2021 11:21 AM (UuD2k)

351 Worse. It's more like mandating an air bag that is defective and may go off at a random moment while you're driving causing you to lose control of the car.

And altho that happens on in a small number of installations, the installation of the air bag causes electrical problems with the car and makes it unreliable and prone to failure.

Posted by: jakee308 at October 07, 2021 11:21 AM (sgZqZ)

352 >>Sigh. I like the Salvation Army. They are one of two charities I support.


Us too. We donate cash,clothes and household items to them. Now they go on the burn heap. (Not the cash)

Posted by: Capital Eff at October 07, 2021 11:21 AM (5tb3b)

353 Q - Do you reject Mitch McConnell?
R - I do.
Q - And all his works?
R - I do.
Q - And all his empty promises?
R - I do.
Posted by: Tonypete at October 07, 2021 11:11 AM (e1mwr)

Then the salt on the tongue and anointing with oil?
Posted by: Satai Daleen


Then the salt on the tongue, the squeeze of the lemon, and the shot of tequila!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2021 11:22 AM (OCTRt)

354 It does not keep you from serious illness; it makes serious illness less likely.

To be perfectly accurate, yes, but to be perfectly accurate, normal vaccines aren't 100% effective and foolproof, either.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2021 11:22 AM (KZzsI)

355 "Stephen Hahn, the FDA Commissioner who put all these negative blankets on hydroxychloroquine and the other drugs, he has joined the Venture Capital firm who basically is the funder of Moderna."

Regarding the National Institutes of Health, for which Fauci and Francis Collins work, McCullough said that "they co-own the patent for the Moderna vaccine."

"The conflict of interest is absolutely unavoidable and is crushing the lifeblood of medicine."

**

The fact-checking company for twitter, facebook, etc. owns $2B+ in vaccine stock.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 60% of COVID hospitalizations are vaccinated, see slide 12 at October 07, 2021 11:22 AM (RDD2k)

356 When's the next Dem convention ?

Posted by: JT at October 07, 2021 11:19 AM (arJlL)


Yeah but you cant stab them in the head, so whats the fun in that?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 07, 2021 11:22 AM (RoIW/)

357 nood



Polls

Posted by: banana Dream at October 07, 2021 11:22 AM (4D/dn)

358 Worse. It's more like mandating an air bag that is defective and may go off at a random moment while you're driving causing you to lose control of the car.

Or, its like mandating an airbag that makes you actually more likely to crash, and needs to be replaced every six months.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2021 11:22 AM (KZzsI)

359
This brunette is wearing a flowing dress on the beach and doesn't think she needs to purchase any manure to improve her experience:
https://is.gd/gPrTpk
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 07, 2021 10:57 AM (+IIqY)

I never cared for those type of dresses. The neck thing reminds me of a horse collar.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 07, 2021 11:09 AM (2JVJo)

I agree. She should remove that dress immediately.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 07, 2021 11:22 AM (n+4am)

360 To be perfectly accurate, yes, but to be perfectly accurate, normal vaccines aren't 100% effective and foolproof, either.

IIRC no vaccine with more then 20 deaths caused was allowed on the market, well, before now.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 07, 2021 11:23 AM (ESjRY)

361 To be perfectly accurate, yes, but to be perfectly accurate, normal vaccines aren't 100% effective and foolproof, either.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2021 11:22 AM (KZzsI)

I haven't heard of any mild cases of smallpox.

Posted by: Ordinary American at October 07, 2021 11:25 AM (H8QX8)

362 347 Looks like the new guard has taken over Salvation Army. They held out a long time against stupidity and politics but eventually they all get infected.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2021 11:21 AM (KZzsI)

Weren't the Methodists among the leaders in the abolition fight? SA is basically a Methodist schism.

Posted by: Satai Daleen at October 07, 2021 11:27 AM (qyH+l)

363 so since this a medical/ zombies thread, is there anyone here who has gotten good treatment for thyroid issues? Where they do thorough testing and dont just say "here take this levothyroxin" which from our research is not the best and may be the worst answer in many cases.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 07, 2021 11:27 AM (RoIW/)

364 The problem people don't realize is that they're Dr. might belong to a group that dictates what treatments he's allowed to offer.

There are very few completely independent physicians theses days. Costs are too high to go it alone.

So they have a group protocol for this or that disease and the range of treatments that they offer. And that range is also dictated by other certifying groups that certify the health care facility and the Drs credentials/license.

They have software now that the Dr is filling out while he's supposed to be discussing your health and this software takes his input of your current health, past problems etc. and comes up with a range of things to to. And some stuff he won't even offer unless you ask. They are already rationing care because some tests and procedures just don't pay them to do them and they don't offer them unless the patient makes a point of asking for it. Sometimes you have to demand it and you have to have the symptoms for doing it too.

It's all about the money. Hospitals try to load on as many charges that they can so as to up the bill. This is why they don't list the costs of anything cause they adjust it on the fly.

Posted by: jakee308 at October 07, 2021 11:27 AM (sgZqZ)

365 I haven't heard of any mild cases of smallpox.

While true, irrelevant. Vaccines are designed to keep you from getting sick at all, but sometimes, rarely, they don't succeed and people get the stuff they are vaccinated against.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 07, 2021 11:27 AM (KZzsI)

366 Amazingly, our Government will help him cut off his dick and wear a dress and insist that everyone at his school call him Brenda.

...but, that same Government will force him to take a vaccine he doesn't need and might actually cause him serious harm, to go to school
Posted by: garrett

Not contradictory, since they both involve harming the child.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at October 07, 2021 11:27 AM (OssQ4)

367 Damn. willowed. F my life/

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 07, 2021 11:28 AM (RoIW/)

368 Jesus H Christ, people. Stop getting your scientific results from fucking Facebook!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 07, 2021 10:52 AM (CjFDo)

Heh. LOL, in fact. Faceplant permits no posts that are in any way critical of the vaxx.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 07, 2021 11:28 AM (eMp/v)

369 This brunette is wearing a flowing dress on the beach and doesn't think she needs to purchase any manure to improve her experience:
https://is.gd/gPrTpk
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 07, 2021 10:57 AM (+IIqY)

I never cared for those type of dresses. The neck thing reminds me of a horse collar.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 07, 2021 11:09 AM (2JVJo)

I agree. She should remove that dress immediately.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 07, 2021 11:22 AM (n+4am)

I'm sure that would greatly improve her beach experience. And ours.

Posted by: Satai Daleen at October 07, 2021 11:29 AM (qyH+l)

370 >>> You misremember. It was, "hug a Chinaman, feed a fever"

No, I think it was "Feed a fever, hug a starving Chinaman."

Posted by: Fou Troll at October 07, 2021 11:31 AM (HLwmB)

371 My oldest insisted my wife and I get the shot or he would limit our time with the grands. He was monumentally disinterested in what our medical providers have advised us concerning the shot and how it may/or may not affect our conditions.
Posted by: Tonypete at October 07, 2021 10:58 AM (e1mwr)

Tell him he's out of the will.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 07, 2021 11:32 AM (eMp/v)

372 The vaccines were designed with a made up spiked protein. That is why they are causing so much havoc. They weren't designed to target the actual coronavirus.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 07, 2021 11:34 AM (5HBd1)

373 This is silliness. The fact that the vaccinated can still become sick isn't significant, and essentially a red herring. The vaccinations aren't perfect, but do make it more difficult for the pandemic to spread - and the vaccinated that do become infected have significantly less severe symptoms.

Posted by: Splatter at October 07, 2021 11:35 AM (CV1dg)

374 and the vaccinated that do become infected have significantly less severe symptoms.

**

Just like before the vaccine, which was why we all had to wear masks.

Same as now.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 60% of COVID hospitalizations are vaccinated, see slide 12 at October 07, 2021 11:36 AM (RDD2k)

375 cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/
mm7038e3-H.pdf

You're possibly around 50% "protected" between months 2-4, and after 4-6 months there's no statistical difference between you and an unvaccinated person.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
....
It is an interesting study..

What jumps out at me most is masks were mandatory.. they are eff'n useless!

OK. So infections.. yes.. but serious illnesses - no.

Among 172 infected persons, four (2%) were hospitalized for COVID-19, including three (8%) of 39 unvaccinated patients, and one (1%) of 129 fully vaccinated patients (p = 0.04). One (3%) of the unvaccinated hospitalized patients required endotracheal intubation and mechanical ventilation and died in the hospital (Table 1)

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 07, 2021 11:37 AM (CjFDo)

376 "Splatter" - um, probably nonsense. Show the data where the "vaccines" changed the trajectory of transmission.

(narrator: this is not a trick challenge, but the nature of the subject makes it inherently difficult to document effects, as finding a suitable "control group" is nearly impossible - you'd have to compare Israel to some otherwise comparable place, including geography and latitude and age profile, which had a drastically different approach to administering the vaccines)

If anything the Israeli and UK data to date suggest some mitigation of severity, but there's no basis to conclude that transmission is effected.

Logic, facts, reasoning. At one time it's what brought man out of the muck into prosperous modern life.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 07, 2021 11:40 AM (OTzUX)

377 Oh - and recall the FDA was actually the first institution in the US (in the world? outside Sweden?) to revert to normal responsible behavior (in part). Advisory panel voted overwhelmingly against mandating "booster", 3 top officials quit over the WH/others bigfooting that reco to go ahead with booster push.

The sort of thing that should have been happening in April or May 2020, at CDC and FDA and HHS and other places, over almost the entire nature of Trump's response (there, does that make it easier for clueless Trump-allergic people to deal rationally with it?) if the people in those institutions were professionally competent and responsible.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 07, 2021 11:44 AM (OTzUX)

378 Cannibal Bob, Try to determine if the person has Hashimoto Disease or regular thyroid problems. Could affect approach.

Posted by: Mrs. JTB at October 07, 2021 12:08 PM (7EjX1)

379 I am retired from the federal government, and I can assure you there is no school to teach you how to grift. If there were I would be rich. Rather, the problem is one common to all bureaucracies: Management selects people to advance who remind them of themselves. Thus when a few "people predisposed to crookedness and dishonor and immorality" get into higher positions, they select others to work with them and perpetuate the problem.

Posted by: mongo at October 07, 2021 12:23 PM (+qx8U)

380 Is it some insidious and 100% infectious syndrome that causes this inexorable pivot to craven grasping grifts in every single politician and government lackey? Do they all go to some secret school where they learn the magic of how to pad their pockets while injuring the institution they are sworn to protect and defend?
--
human nature is fallen.


Or is it some sleazy self-selection process that attracts only people predisposed to crookedness and dishonor and immorality?
---
some humans are worse than others and are attracted to occupations that provide them with a position to maximize grift

Seriously, if it were not for the moderating effects of religion, the world would be well, an endless pagan death cult. Oops. Oopsies.

Posted by: simplemind at October 07, 2021 12:25 PM (BV7wj)

381 The fact that the vaccinated can still become sick isn't significant, and essentially a red herring. The vaccinations aren't perfect, but do make it more difficult for the pandemic to spread - and the vaccinated that do become infected have significantly less severe symptoms.

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do make it more difficult for the pandemic to spread.

That is a statement of faith not science. Vaccinated that do become infected have significantly less severe symptoms.
How do you know? more significant than they would have had that if they did not get vaccinated? There's no test for that. You are not comparing person in state one vs same person in state two. But your rationale suggests you are. You aren't.

There's a lot of faith and not much science in there.

I would rather have questions without answers than answers than can't be questioned.

Posted by: -some guy smarter than me at October 07, 2021 12:31 PM (PQYtz)

382 Obviously, prioritizing high-risk people makes sense, because the data show that vaccination seems to decrease serious illness and hospitalization.

I disagree that "vaccinating" high-risk people makes sense, given the fact that data shows that the "vaccines" destroy people's immune systems going forward.

What makes more logical sense is to have a treatment protocol in place for the high-risk people and treat it early when they start showing signs and test positive.

If you instead give high-risk people "vaccines", they may not have a "serious illness" of SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 now, but then have to worry for the rest of their lives about their immune systems. That is *not* a good trade off when we know there are plenty of successful treatments available for SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 and recovery from infection provides long-lasting natural immunity.

Posted by: Tall Cool Gentleman in a Black Suit at October 07, 2021 01:24 PM (Do5/p)

383 OK, drat it. Salvation Army off my list of who to donate to.

Posted by: Ann Wilson, aka Empire 1 at October 07, 2021 02:01 PM (JJatH)

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