The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition

J.J. Sefton has, over the last two days expounded on something that has been percolating in my consciousness for a few months. Today he eviscerated (but gently!) Karol Markowicz for the admittedly pie-in-the-sky idea that we can't have a national divorce, but We Can Work It Out! Apologies to The Beatles...No We Can't!

Whether we have a violent separation into two radically different countries, or the freedom-loving portion of America is subsumed into the socialist miasma that we all know is coming remains to be seen. The question is: are there different paths to a better America besides the bloody ones? Sure, I can conjure up a rosy road full of conservative unicorns and unfettered 2nd Amendment rights and true free speech and a comprehensive diminution of the regulatory state, but I prefer not to be laughed at this early in the morning.

What I have been thinking about is what comes after? And the only template we have is the American Civil War. Yes, these things have happened in other parts of the world, most recently in Yugoslavia, where it was unimaginably bloody and cruel and destructive, culminating in the creation of six different countries and another couple "autonomous" zones.

[Please don your rose-colored glasses]
The template closest to our national psyche is different than the vicious religious and cultural divisions of Yugoslavia, and it is there where there is a faint glimmer of hope. Not for reconciliation ante bellum, but for a post-schism accommodation. Our civil war was also brutal and bloody and cruel, yet with time and admittedly some fits and starts we were able to create a country unified in its goals and aspirations, without the festering hatreds of central Europe or Rwanda or Peru or any of dozens of countries whose internal strife rivaled the worst of human history.

That is broken. Who will come out on top is anyone's guess, and for every pathway to sanity, I see several that end in dystopian nightmares. And at the end it is entirely possible that the American Exceptionalism of our first 200+ years of history will have been drowned in a sea of compliant and passive drones from Central America and the Far East.

Who knows....

Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM

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1 Uno!

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:00 AM (GQ5VU)

2 The state of our country is so depressing.

Posted by: Toni at September 28, 2021 10:03 AM (PgM6e)

3 There will be war.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2021 10:03 AM (OCTRt)

4 Damn. Too early in the morning for so much optimism!

Posted by: tbodie at September 28, 2021 10:03 AM (IkffI)

5 I think most Americans are too lazy to fight and will gladly accept anything as long as they get their likes on Farcebook and a new phone every year.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 28, 2021 10:03 AM (UuD2k)

6 Thanks for linking that YouTube clip, CBD.

Posted by: grammie winger at September 28, 2021 10:03 AM (45fpk)

7 Yep

Secede

Posted by: artisanal ette at September 28, 2021 10:03 AM (2o90I)

8 I dunno. I suspect Yugoslavia might be the closest contemporary match. We'll see, but I think geography is going to play a role. A "national divorce" isn't going to result in two countries like last time. There will be probably 5-6, and the shifting alliances and border conflict and the dispersed population (reds in blue areas, blues in red arias) is going to result in spotty and consistent violence. Multi-dimensional fracturing and lots of violence is the likely outcome, I think.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 10:04 AM (Jsjd7)

9 I think most Americans are too lazy to fight and will gladly accept anything as long as they get their likes on Farcebook and a new phone every year.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 28, 2021 10:03 AM (UuD2k)

Agreed.

Posted by: Jordan61 at September 28, 2021 10:04 AM (Ez6QX)

10 We can work it out when they give up control of government and all other institutions....you don't think they'll willingly do that?...for the sake of peace?

Posted by: BignJames at September 28, 2021 10:04 AM (AwYPR)

11 5 I think most Americans are too lazy to fight and will gladly accept anything as long as they get their likes on Farcebook and a new phone every year.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 28, 2021 10:03 AM (UuD2k)
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Bread and circuses have been replaced by Starbucks and social media.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at September 28, 2021 10:04 AM (lNHqD)

12 Grempht.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at September 28, 2021 10:05 AM (LBiAf)

13 If this is to be done, do it by county, not state. Let the left have control over as little physical territory as possible.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at September 28, 2021 10:05 AM (MH0eD)

14 Said earlier, but I don't think national divorce is the right answer to the current state of affairs. And ultimately, I do think it will be worked out. Now that doesn't mean without a fight and a lot of pain. But ultimately, there will be a national divorce. Question is when.

Posted by: SH (Non-Expert) at September 28, 2021 10:05 AM (sX1BW)

15 Well Lincoln is still right, there's no way to have two separate nations side by side living peacefully. One WILL dominate the other.

I'd rather it was us winning than dirty, evil commie perverts.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at September 28, 2021 10:05 AM (V6f9+)

16 Our civil war was also brutal and bloody and cruel, yet with time and admittedly some fits and starts we were able to create a country unified in its goals and aspirations,

No we weren't. Not really.
Dems/KKK were never unified with Republicans.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2021 10:05 AM (OCTRt)

17 It's time to start getting lawyers and figuring out how to divide assets and who gets visitation rights for the kids.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:05 AM (GQ5VU)

18 I dunno. I suspect Yugoslavia might be the closest contemporary match. We'll see, but I think geography is going to play a role. A "national divorce" isn't going to result in two countries like last time. There will be probably 5-6, and the shifting alliances and border conflict and the dispersed population (reds in blue areas, blues in red arias) is going to result in spotty and consistent violence. Multi-dimensional fracturing and lots of violence is the likely outcome, I think.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 10:04 AM

If a national divorce happens, which is extremely unlikely IMO, I suspect we will dissolve into individual States.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 28, 2021 10:06 AM (JUOKG)

19 Multi-dimensional fracturing and lots of violence is the likely outcome, I think.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 10:04 AM (Jsjd7)

Yes, and there will be more informal segregation in the coming years.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 28, 2021 10:06 AM (Q9lwr)

20 What every cataclysmic change needs is a trigger. If the debt continues to grow, there will simply be no more people left to borrow money from to pay Social Security and Medicare benefits. A benefits default could trigger a break up of the country.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at September 28, 2021 10:07 AM (vN+oL)

21 After all, ensuring that the left has control over as little physical territory as possible means that the wall we will need will be considerably less expensive to build.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at September 28, 2021 10:07 AM (MH0eD)

22 The cities will be a shit show two weeks after the truckers stike.

Posted by: Cicero, Kaboom! Kid at September 28, 2021 10:07 AM (n/szn)

23 Splitting up is just about the only dumb idea I ever read on this website. The leftists would never leave us alone and when they'd come after us they'd bring help from chicoms and other enemies.They must all be made to flee the hemisphere or die, those are the only two options.

Posted by: JoshO at September 28, 2021 10:07 AM (Z9wz+)

24 Instead of Yugoslavia, our template might be more like the Czechia - Slovakia divorce.

Posted by: MichiCanuck at September 28, 2021 10:08 AM (gEYP0)

25 Anyone see SCOTUS overturning Roe?

I don't.

But if they do...the beginning?

Posted by: I mean at September 28, 2021 10:09 AM (2YT8Y)

26 we would all prefer some not-too-ugly process to get through to something like a free state again, but that is utterly meaningless.
the other side, our enemies, will not allow that to happen.

cant remember where I saw it recently, or who said it, but the gist of it was that "good men lack the will to do what is necessary to fix this", and it struck me as probably true in our case.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at September 28, 2021 10:09 AM (jDHSU)

27 The summertime Marxists will really get pissed off if their recently imported "new Americans" all turn out to be just like everyone else, and half vote Trumpist.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 28, 2021 10:09 AM (WF8ae)

28 Georgia Opens Probe Into Drop Box Ballots, Chain Of Custody In Huge Democrat County

Georgia's Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger has opened an investigation into the handling of dropboxes in the 2020 election in one of the state's Democratic strongholds.
The investigation comes after a scathing report that there were problems with the chain of custody documentation in DeKalb County, Just The News reported.
DeKalb County, which is just outside the Atlanta metro area, is one of the largest Democrat strongholds in the state.

This is why America cannot be fixed. They will just come out and say "nothing to see here"

Posted by: artisanal ette at September 28, 2021 10:09 AM (2o90I)

29 I kind of like the idea of being the Dis-United States. Every state for itself. I don't know how you'd figure out a military though.

Posted by: grammie winger at September 28, 2021 10:09 AM (45fpk)

30 I don't anticipate a actual war even happening. The American Cold Civil War has been going on for a few decades now, with zero engagement by the American Right. American Left's long march through the institutions culminated in the rigged and stolen election of NOV 2020. Prior to that, the American Left had already taken over control of every institution in the nation: all levels of education, all institutions of information dissemination, all institutions of "health", all sports leagues, all "entertainment" industry, all businesses and all corporations. The final piece to complete their puzzle of totalitarian control was the White House.

And that was after decades of George Soros investing in elections of local District Attorneys and Attorneys General in cities and states across the country. And after decades of the Left taking over every intelligence community agency and federal law enforcement - including US military and national guard - in the nation.

The American Left is now using their control of American institutions to punish American citizens. Mask-up or get the shot in order to get an education, travel or have employment.

Posted by: Tall Cool Gentleman in a Black Suit at September 28, 2021 10:09 AM (Do5/p)

31 There wont be a breakup. A breakup would require there to be strong differences between regional elites.

There aren't any -- the elites are united.

Posted by: Revenant at September 28, 2021 10:09 AM (+GzRQ)

32 Biden Presidential simulation. Just thought of this. I think I'll take it out for a test drive.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 28, 2021 10:10 AM (UuD2k)

33 Why is youtube pushing a video of a woman who claims that she almost got covid even though she is vaccinated?

I mean seriously, how do you "almost get covid"?

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 28, 2021 10:10 AM (JUOKG)

34 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 10:04 AM (Jsjd7)

Wouldn't have been two countries last time either, given that one of the secessionist states didn't join the Confederates either but decided to remain alone.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 28, 2021 10:10 AM (1lKRm)

35 First state to kick out of the new union?

Gavin Newsom Signs Bill Making California a Permanent "Vote-by-Mail" State

Tied with NY

Posted by: artisanal ette at September 28, 2021 10:11 AM (2o90I)

36 Anyone see SCOTUS overturning Roe?

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I do, but I'm probably just being naively optimistic. I can easily see Roberts working some deal to overturn Roe, but it will probably mean some really bad decisions for our side as well.

Posted by: SH (Non-Expert) at September 28, 2021 10:11 AM (sX1BW)

37 I still like the notion of seceding in place. The red states just need to quit taking the Federal money.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 28, 2021 10:11 AM (yQpMk)

38 "possible that the American Exceptionalism of our first 200+ years of history will have been drowned in a sea of compliant and passive drones from Central America and the Far East."

The internet could move us in a better direction, at light speed. BUT the oligarchs and BigTech are quite determined to move us in the totalitarian, social credit score direction ... also occurring at light speed.

I still hold some hope that as they continue on their Reichstag Fire, Stasi control course, even those on "the left" might get red-pilled (for lack of a better term). But the evil ones hold the institutions fairly firmly in their grip ... we saw "science" yield to the GretaChild Shame, except that started long before Greta.

"We" could win ... but we might need a lot more White Hats (hahahaha) to emerge. Pompeo seemed solid, he was CIA before ... are there any insider patriots with any sort of plan to stop dystopia from emerging? Or have they now all been purged?

Posted by: illiniwek at September 28, 2021 10:11 AM (Cus5s)

39 Well Lincoln is still right, there's no way to have two separate nations side by side living peacefully. One WILL dominate the other.
...
We have our skirmishes but...

Posted by: Korean peninsula model at September 28, 2021 10:11 AM (2YT8Y)

40 Let's look at Texas as a model.

San Antonio, Austin, Dallas, and Houston will have to be walled off with strict, limited, emigration allwed from those areas in order to have a same Texas.

So now you have 4 city-states, surronded by the Nation of Texas, with no real access to food, water, fuel or electricity.

No way that ends peacefully. And that will be repeated in every state in the former union.

Posted by: tbodie at September 28, 2021 10:11 AM (IkffI)

41 Don't forget the division of Czechoslovakia into Slovakia and the Czech Republic. Very quiet, very civilized. Unfortunately, though, a similar split of the U.S. would leave us looking like Israel and the Palestinians -- a prosperous, law abiding chunk caught between two poverty-stricken, lawless strips of land bent on destroying the center. Plus, again like Israelis, there would be blue lumps like Chicago trying to suck up the resources.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin, clinging bitterly to a deplorable life at September 28, 2021 10:12 AM (BvRyV)

42 ...What I have been thinking about is what comes after? And the only template we have is the American Civil War....

Shirley, you mean the War Of Northern Aggression.

Yeah yeah yeah, we shot first or something. Shades of Han Solo.

/Seriously, this time around it won't be by geography, but by demographics, aka city size. There shouldn't be much doubt in anyone's mind that the blue cities rule the roost.

Fucking 17th Amendment.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 28, 2021 10:12 AM (F0YaR)

43 Greetings.

Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six!(ptqGC) at September 28, 2021 10:12 AM (ptqGC)

44 The thing I see happening in a modern hot civil war is decent Americans murdering each other because we won't know who to trust, unless we make it a race war.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at September 28, 2021 10:12 AM (GD2xa)

45 I mean seriously, how do you "almost get covid"?
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 28, 2021 10:10 AM (JUOKG)

Stand next to a Trump supporter, only to find out later.

Posted by: artisanal ette at September 28, 2021 10:12 AM (2o90I)

46 >>The internet could move us in a better direction, at light speed. BUT the oligarchs and BigTech are quite determined to move us in the totalitarian, social credit score direction ... also occurring at light speed.

THIS

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2021 10:12 AM (bDqIh)

47 Based on the number of US citizens who believe that Jan 6th was an insurrection, including my usually level headed hubby, no one will fight for their rights or to preserve the republic.
Both hubby and I are in ++29 category and have moved to a very conservative state. I believe we have personally achieved the best we will see before we shuffle off this mortal coil.
I feel sorry for family members that are younger but honestly they are all out and out proud progressives or very soft repubs. That includes my steps and step-grandkids. My pity meter is pegging at zero for them and those like them.
Sounds harsh, not sorry about it. People in this country no longer have the desire to fight for their freedoms. Most don't even care about voting the assholes out who brought us to this state.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at September 28, 2021 10:13 AM (2NHgQ)

48 Who knows...

I do!

Posted by: The Shadow at September 28, 2021 10:13 AM (w9Wax)

49 I saw a vid of yutes cleaning out an Ulta store in Chicago.

Is this okay now? I need to do some "shopping." Any 'ettes wanna join me?

Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six!(ptqGC) at September 28, 2021 10:14 AM (ptqGC)

50 Well Lincoln is still right, there's no way to have two separate nations side by side living peacefully. One WILL dominate the other.
...
We have our skirmishes but...
Posted by: Korean peninsula model at September 28, 2021 10:11 AM (2YT8Y)

Geography is on their side, dividing and against us.
Where would you draw the line?
The divisions are mostly urban vs rural, not state or regional.

Logistically, it doesn't make sense.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at September 28, 2021 10:14 AM (V6f9+)

51 Walmart is doing away with their extremely well liked free layaway program. They are switching to a "buy now, pay later" plan which will charge customers interest.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 28, 2021 10:14 AM (JUOKG)

52 what rickb said at 16

even in 1864 the demonrat party stood for selling out for peace instead of victory, and after victory (in spite of their efforts) continuing the opression of the freed slaves.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at September 28, 2021 10:14 AM (jDHSU)

53 So now you have 4 city-states, surronded by the Nation of Texas, with no real access to food, water, fuel or electricity.

No way that ends peacefully. And that will be repeated in every state in the former union.
Posted by: tbodie at September 28, 2021 10:11 AM (IkffI)
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Good news Texas! After a period of unpleasantness, the Washington elites will leave you a helluva weapons cache and even an air force! It's traditional.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 28, 2021 10:14 AM (WF8ae)

54 I mean seriously, how do you "almost get covid"?
Posted by: Mister Scott

From vaccines that aren't vaccines.
I almost got polio. Only one lung was paralyzed.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2021 10:15 AM (OCTRt)

55 I mean seriously, how do you "almost get covid"?
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 28, 2021 10:10 AM (JUOKG)

Only possible when you are a little pregnant.

Posted by: tbodie at September 28, 2021 10:15 AM (IkffI)

56 Go long on dystopian nightmares.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at September 28, 2021 10:15 AM (d9FiS)

57 Joni Ernst -- lace wig or not. I say aye

Posted by: micky at September 28, 2021 10:15 AM (3byMq)

58 Who knows...

I do!
Posted by: The Shadow at September 28, 2021 10:13 AM (w9Wax)

Quite a comedian, this guy. Always laughing at something...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at September 28, 2021 10:15 AM (V6f9+)

59 They must all be made to flee the hemisphere or die, those are the only two options.

Posted by: JoshO at September 28, 2021 10:07 AM (Z9wz+)

So you will deport or kill about 50,000,000 people?

Good plan.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 28, 2021 10:16 AM (Q9lwr)

60 It still amazes me Communism keeps failing yet that's what our Marxistsite are working on. Class divisionso ( using race along the way )equally that will never happen.

Posted by: Skip's Phone at September 28, 2021 10:16 AM (so5/u)

61 Joni Ernst has a penis and razor stubble.

Posted by: Capital Eff at September 28, 2021 10:16 AM (dynG0)

62 8 I dunno. I suspect Yugoslavia might be the closest contemporary match. We'll see, but I think geography is going to play a role. A "national divorce" isn't going to result in two countries like last time. There will be probably 5-6, and the shifting alliances and border conflict and the dispersed population (reds in blue areas, blues in red arias) is going to result in spotty and consistent violence. Multi-dimensional fracturing and lots of violence is the likely outcome, I think.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 10:04 AM (Jsjd7)

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Yeah exactly. In Yugoslavia, it was pretty clear who was on what side geographically. But here even in the reddest areas, 25% of people will be on the other side and vice versa.

It will be messy.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:16 AM (GQ5VU)

63 51 Walmart is doing away with their extremely well liked free layaway program. They are switching to a "buy now, pay later" plan which will charge customers interest.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 28, 2021 10:14 AM (JUOKG)

If it's less than $950, use the take-away plan.

Posted by: Roy at September 28, 2021 10:17 AM (Go1rj)

64 The Civil War is a guide, but it is probably not the outcome. If we use the Civil War as a guide, we are somewhere in the periods leading up to the Civil War. In hindsight it was clear that the compromises being made were simply delaying the inevitable. There is an inevitable conflict of some sort. I wouldn't portend it to be like the Civil War. But eventually some states will declare things null and void and push back.

Posted by: SH (Non-Expert) at September 28, 2021 10:17 AM (sX1BW)

65 The left seeks to use the government to take things from us, so the notion that they'd let us leave, unless forced to, seems rather unlikely.

It would only be if the governing elite were faced with a clear choice of letting us go or losing power that they would entertain the idea.

But obviously as of right now there is no group that is putting such a fear into them. Trump, obviously, failed to seriously try to do so, instead just nibbling on the edges.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 28, 2021 10:17 AM (DpkTQ)

66 And no Irish!

Posted by: Howard Johnson, Blazing Saddles (is that really gay?) at September 28, 2021 10:17 AM (vcOmj)

67 But if they do...the beginning?
Posted by: I mean at September 28, 2021 10:09 AM (2YT8Y)

They'll go nuts. Abortion is a sacrament of womanhood to the left.

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 10:17 AM (ONvIw)

68 I bet if we polled literally everyone in the country we'd struggle to find 10 million people willing to say they voted for Biden. And the other 10 million would just lie and say they didn't.

Posted by: Shenanigans at September 28, 2021 10:17 AM (ZR7kf)

69 Geographic separation of USA into red and blue countries can't work unless there are ideological tests for entry. Any red region will be quickly resettled by leftists unless they can be barred for their beliefs.

Posted by: At No Time Was John Weaver In The Physical Presence Of gp at September 28, 2021 10:17 AM (qpX6U)

70 So you will deport or kill about 50,000,000 people?

Most can be rehabilitated working on the Great Gulf-Baja Sealevel Dignity Kanal.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 28, 2021 10:18 AM (yQpMk)

71 The Civil War is a guide, but it is probably not the outcome. If we use the Civil War as a guide, we are somewhere in the periods leading up to the Civil War. In hindsight it was clear that the compromises being made were simply delaying the inevitable. There is an inevitable conflict of some sort. I wouldn't portend it to be like the Civil War. But eventually some states will declare things null and void and push back.
Posted by: SH

We are probably at 1859/1860.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2021 10:18 AM (OCTRt)

72 60 It still amazes me Communism keeps failing yet that's what our Marxistsite are working on. Class divisionso ( using race along the way )equally that will never happen.
Posted by: Skip's Phone at September 28, 2021 10:16 AM (so5/u)

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It doesn't fail if you are a communist leader. In every communist society, the top 5% lives have/had very good lives.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:18 AM (GQ5VU)

73 60 It still amazes me Communism keeps failing yet that's what our Marxistsite are working on. Class divisionso ( using race along the way )equally that will never happen.
Posted by: Skip's Phone at September 28, 2021 10:16 AM (so5/u)

They all want to be rich as Chavez

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 10:18 AM (ONvIw)

74 Prayers please.

Just received an email from our interim pastor. Our church secretary's brother died in his sleep last night from a heart-related issue.

This is the second person we know of who has died in their sleep in the last week. A former employee of my husband's died in his sleep last week while on a business trip.

Neither of these deaths are Covid-related.

Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six!(ptqGC) at September 28, 2021 10:18 AM (ptqGC)

75 re:72

Damn I butchered that. Meant to say 5% of the population lives (or lived) very good lives.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:18 AM (GQ5VU)

76 51 Walmart is doing away with their extremely well liked free layaway program. They are switching to a "buy now, pay later" plan which will charge customers interest.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 28, 2021 10:14 AM (JUOKG)

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I was working for T-Mobile when they did something similar with their flex plans, suddenly moving them all to contracted plans that paid after service instead of before.

So many people suddenly couldn't keep up with their bills. It was weird.

I'm sure nothing like that will happen to Wal-Mart's customers.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 28, 2021 10:19 AM (LvTSG)

77 The American Left is now using their control of American institutions to punish American citizens. Mask-up or get the shot in order to get an education, travel or have employment.
Posted by: Tall Cool Gentleman in a Black Suit at September 28, 2021 10:09 AM (Do5/p)

The Left has taken decades to take over the commanding heights of our society, and they aren't going to give it up any time soon.

The successful lesson that the left learned from Marxism as applied historically is that it's not going to be executed from the working classes rising up against the top - that is doomed to failure. Much better to take over the administrative state, entertainment, nonprofit foundations and education, and use that instrumentality to effect change instead. If we're looking to take that over using the grassroots, it's not going to happen.

If an EMP can thoroughly disrupt our modern society by frying our electronic infrastructure, the leftist at the commanding heights can do the same thing to the heartland by shutting off our information access. We're so addicted to information that we'll go running back to them at the first sign of withdrawal symptoms.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 28, 2021 10:19 AM (mdjgu)

78 The average American doesn't give a shit.

The average kosovar or rwandan or whatever has a burning, deep seated hatred born of generations of careful training. The average American just wants things to be nice, and is slowly realizing that our current political class can not make anything nice.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 28, 2021 10:19 AM (/EuRN)

79 >> I saw a vid of yutes cleaning out an Ulta store in Chicago.
Is this okay now? I need to do some "shopping." Any 'ettes wanna join me?

They know we won't do that because we have jobs and families and reputations, etc.. It's all so depressing watching civilized society unravel before our eye, huh?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2021 10:19 AM (bDqIh)

80 There wont be a breakup. A breakup would require there to be strong differences between regional elites.

There aren't any -- the elites are united.

Posted by: Revenant at September 28, 2021 10:09 AM (+GzRQ)

Interesting point.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 28, 2021 10:19 AM (Q9lwr)

81 Jane - Will pray, of course.

Posted by: grammie winger at September 28, 2021 10:19 AM (45fpk)

82 I saw a vid of yutes cleaning out an Ulta store in Chicago.

Is this okay now? I need to do some "shopping." Any 'ettes wanna join me?

Doncha just hate it when someone else loots all your favorite colors before you even get there? I mean, so inconsiderate, right?

Posted by: Oddbob at September 28, 2021 10:19 AM (nfrXX)

83 The problem is, once the first shot is fired, everything goes to hell very quickly. The confluence of events that led to our own revolution is... well, unique in human history. You have the likelihood of strongmen governments on both sides of the issue. Once strongmen are in place, it is very hard to get them to give up ultimate power once they have it.
Another massive (perhaps the biggest) problem: Logistics. Any conflict in the US is going to break supply chain networks- and that is a mess of massive and global implication. One of the biggest things to take away from Roman history was, after a certain point, the consequence of making sure Rome stayed fed became paramount to everyone. Rome had a population in antiquity of over a million people. Everyone knew that if the people of Rome did not stay fed, then things would go to hell there VERY quickly. By the 2020 census, we currently have 10 Romes.
Another problem is self sufficiency. In the revolution, we were already our own self contained and sufficient entity. Even though the South in the Civil War had a LOT of the farmland, they still had massive issues with being able to feed everyone (even in the lower population south.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 10:19 AM (csEWM)

84 Geographic separation of USA into red and blue countries can't work unless there are ideological tests for entry. Any red region will be quickly resettled by leftists unless they can be barred for their beliefs.
Posted by: At No Time Was John Weaver In The Physical Presence Of gp at September 28, 2021 10:17 AM (qpX6U)
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Ah, shibboleths for leftists! Should be easy enough...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 28, 2021 10:20 AM (ZIoLS)

85 It still amazes me Communism keeps failing

One very important thing to consider here is not how communism affects the people collectively of a society, but how it impacts the elites that get to administer it.

Sure communism has failed, every time, to raise living standards and insure human rights. But in most cases it has improved the relative position of those in its leadership. So for those elites it as worked very, very well.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 28, 2021 10:20 AM (DpkTQ)

86 80 There wont be a breakup. A breakup would require there to be strong differences between regional elites.

There aren't any -- the elites are united.

Posted by: Revenant at September 28, 2021 10:09 AM (+GzRQ)

Interesting point.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 28, 2021 10:19 AM (Q9lwr)

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So, we're probably headed towards something more akin to the French Revolution than the American Civil War.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 28, 2021 10:20 AM (LvTSG)

87 Lincoln's goal was the centralization of power, period. He achieved it. Any mention of slavery, as far as Lincoln goes, is a BS distraction from fact.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 28, 2021 10:20 AM (bk3Sg)

88 It still amazes me Communism keeps failing yet that's what our Marxistsite are working on. Class divisionso ( using race along the way )equally that will never happen.
Posted by: Skip's Phone at September 28, 2021 10:16 AM (so5/u)
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"It wouldn't fail if I were in charge. I'm honest and enlightened and really understand what it takes. The failures of the past due to a lack of ideological purity, which won't happen this time."

Essentially.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 10:20 AM (Jsjd7)

89 We are living out the last third of "The Origins Of Totalitarianism"

Hannah Arendt nailed our present difficulties almost fifty years ago, because she could see how citizens were progressively giving up their rights even then.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 28, 2021 10:20 AM (WF8ae)

90 What is an Ulta store?

Posted by: four seasons at September 28, 2021 10:20 AM (oT1NJ)

91 I don't think divorce is an option. The left is not going to let us leave. They are more vicious than us and less moral (As demonstrated by the fact that they are willing to kill and plunder and riot and we are not.) and they will destroy us before they leave us alone. Furthermore, leftism is insidious. Even assuming we could split and reach a stalemate or agreement, leftism would begin to creep over the border and infect the free states.

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 28, 2021 10:20 AM (Ectld)

92 The problem is, once the first shot is fired, everything goes to hell very quickly.

Yep. Hate is a self-reinforcing emotion.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 28, 2021 10:20 AM (yQpMk)

93 59 They must all be made to flee the hemisphere or die, those are the only two options.
Posted by: JoshO at September 28, 2021 10:07 AM (Z9wz+)
So you will deport or kill about 50,000,000 people?
Good plan.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Well, alright... But only if I can watch...

Posted by: The guy from the parrot sketch at September 28, 2021 10:21 AM (gCPD+)

94 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 28, 2021 10:16 AM (Q9lwr)

He's not really wrong though. They certainly plan on doing that to millions of us.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 28, 2021 10:21 AM (1lKRm)

95 PIERS MORGAN: We need an urgent vaccine to save us from the Duke and Duchess of Polluting Hypocrisy and their cynical campaign to set up a rival money-grabbing renegade Royal Family

Perhaps, a vaccine for the blue states could work

Posted by: SMOD at September 28, 2021 10:21 AM (RHGPo)

96 It still amazes me Communism keeps failing yet that's what our Marxistsite are working on. Class divisionso ( using race along the way )equally that will never happen.
Posted by: Skip's Phone

The collectivist rhetoric is only meant to capture the youth and be street fodder for the pseudo- "class struggle". You really don't think the billionaire oligarchs running much of the country's institutions and corporations are going to give up their money, do you?
In other words, all the commie talk from dopes like AOC and the rest of her "squad" is just babbling. That ain't the way it's going to work out.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....lost in a lost world at September 28, 2021 10:21 AM (vcOmj)

97
With a Democrat run regime in place, is it not only natural that a photograph of a man on horseback blocking a Haitian refugee from proceeding further would be cited as "whipping him like a slave"?

Slavery is, after all, what Democrats do best.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2021 10:21 AM (pNxlR)

98 Gen Miley looks queer again today.

Posted by: Capital Eff at September 28, 2021 10:21 AM (dynG0)

99 "It wouldn't fail if I were in charge. I'm honest and enlightened and really understand what it takes."

Exactly. Pride and idleness of bread.

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 28, 2021 10:21 AM (Ectld)

100 What is an Ulta store?
Posted by: four seasons at September 28, 2021 10:20 AM (oT1NJ)
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Cosmetics.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 10:21 AM (Jsjd7)

101 Rivers of Blood. Strange Fruit hanging from every lamppost. Like Kaboom cereal.

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 28, 2021 10:21 AM (fWTJL)

102 Lay-away is one of the reasons a lot of Americans stay poor their entire lives. If you can't afford to buy it today, guess what, you can't fucking afford it.

But that's a rant for another day and another time.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:21 AM (GQ5VU)

103 So how exactly could there even be a "national divorce"? I'll just use a small example.

Let's say nationally-divorced (ND)-Michigan sets policy as mandatory mask-wearing and mandatory "vaccinations" for SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 indefinitely and implement "vaccine" passports.

So Michiganders who want no part of that, move to another state without those policies. But what about sports, both collegiate and professional? Any athlete playing in the state of ND-Michigan needs to be "vaccinated". Which means that any athlete coming to play in ND-Michigan from a state that does not require "vaccination" now either must get a "vaccination" or not play.

That is just a small example applied to sports. But this applies to every single thing in the nation. Anyone from non-"vaccination" states would be prohibited from doing anything in "vaccination" passport states.

Posted by: Tall Cool Gentleman in a Black Suit at September 28, 2021 10:22 AM (Do5/p)

104 91 I don't think divorce is an option. The left is not going to let us leave. They are more vicious than us and less moral (As demonstrated by the fact that they are willing to kill and plunder and riot and we are not.) and they will destroy us before they leave us alone. Furthermore, leftism is insidious. Even assuming we could split and reach a stalemate or agreement, leftism would begin to creep over the border and infect the free states.
Posted by: squid_hunt at September 28, 2021 10:20 AM (Ectld)

Any divorce would only precede a war. But it would make the ensuing war a lot cleaner, so it is desirable if possible.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at September 28, 2021 10:22 AM (z5Vrg)

105 We are probably at 1859/1860.

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I'd say closer to the mid 50's. Maybe around the Kansas Nebraska Act. Skirmishes are breaking out. Much of the country probably thinks the whole thing can be contained. We will see. Which means, Joe Biden isn't our James Buchanan. Frightening.

Posted by: SH (Non-Expert) at September 28, 2021 10:22 AM (sX1BW)

106 What is an Ulta store?

Posted by: four seasons at September 28, 2021 10:20 AM (oT1NJ)

Imagine a home depot but for cosmetics.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at September 28, 2021 10:22 AM (wAnMi)

107 These are not the United States you are looking for.

Posted by: Opie Juan Baloney at September 28, 2021 10:22 AM (63Dwl)

108 If there is no logical regional split possible, if the divorce is neighbor by neighbor, the battles will get very ugly.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 28, 2021 10:22 AM (WF8ae)

109 the best approach now is to turn your red state into a fortress, elect psychotically conservative people who want commies dead as much as you can, accept no rinos , squishes or open primaries.

then use those state majorities to start peeling off bits of blue states, western VA, inland CA, OR and WA, make the red states larger, isolate the giant cities and let them rot.

if you are in a dead end blue state and are a conservative, you have to move. now. if you don't, then sorry, you are part of the problem. all those fed up NYers who moved to FL have made FL a more powerful state electorally than NY. it can certainly be done to CA.

Posted by: it doesnt matter what my name is at September 28, 2021 10:22 AM (XrpMJ)

110 >>The average kosovar or rwandan or whatever has a burning, deep seated hatred born of generations of careful training. The average American just wants things to be nice, and is slowly realizing that our current political class can not make anything nice.

Two things that move us closer to that:
-- MSM/political.social media persuasion inciting hatred (see: all the intentionally dehumanizing language directed at non-progressives over the past 5 years)

-- Importing millions of people who do have that burning, deep seated hatred born of generations of careful training -- being directed at normal* white America..

*Labeled 'white' as shorthand, see MSM-labeled "white nationalists" such as Candace Owens, etc.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2021 10:22 AM (bDqIh)

111 their money, do you?
In other words, all the commie talk from dopes like AOC and the rest of her "squad" is just babbling. That ain't the way it's going to work out.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative
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Useful idiots.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 28, 2021 10:22 AM (bk3Sg)

112 102 Lay-away is one of the reasons a lot of Americans stay poor their entire lives. If you can't afford to buy it today, guess what, you can't fucking afford it.

But that's a rant for another day and another time.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:21 AM (GQ5VU)

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In terms of things that keep people poor, lay away is probably pretty low on the list.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 28, 2021 10:22 AM (LvTSG)

113 Was cleaning stuff in the garage and found a case of 45 acp I didn't know I had. So...it's not all bad news today.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at September 28, 2021 10:23 AM (V6f9+)

114 Sure communism has failed, every time, to raise living standards and insure human rights. But in most cases it has improved the relative position of those in its leadership. So for those elites it as worked very, very well.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 28, 2021 10:20 AM (DpkTQ)

Feudalism was great for the feudal lords. Communism, in practice, is a lot like feudalism.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 10:23 AM (csEWM)

115 Perhaps, a vaccine for the blue states could work
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So mass sterilization? Its and idea.

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 28, 2021 10:23 AM (fWTJL)

116 Lay-away is one of the reasons a lot of Americans stay poor their entire lives. If you can't afford to buy it today, guess what, you can't fucking afford it.

But that's a rant for another day and another time.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:21 AM (GQ5VU)
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Layway is a decent compromise if you have no self control and won't save on your own. Layaway is enforced savings toward a goal and doesn't cost you interest. The absence of interest makes it superior to credit, even if it adds complications that could be avoided by saving on your own.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 10:23 AM (Jsjd7)

117 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at September 28, 2021 10:23 AM (Zz0t1)

118 60 It still amazes me Communism keeps failing...

It still amazes me our Republic keeps failing.

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at September 28, 2021 10:23 AM (w9Wax)

119 The average kosovar or rwandan or whatever has a burning, deep seated hatred born of generations of careful training. The average American just wants things to be nice, and is slowly realizing that our current political class can not make anything nice.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 28, 2021 10:19 AM (/EuRN)

They make everything nice, but for them and their richie rich supporters/donors.

I think the most likely outcome is the French Revolution.

Yes, there are a lot of potentially violent communist types, and they are biding their time, but eventually they will turn on Zuck and Gates and Romney, etc and turn into The Reign of Terror.

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 10:23 AM (ONvIw)

120 Feudalism was great for the feudal lords. Communism, in practice, is a lot like feudalism.
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The only difference is Communism provided the state church.

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 28, 2021 10:23 AM (fWTJL)

121 People need to stop saying communism "failed". It didn't fail. It always did what was intended to do, make millions of people miserable while enriching a small elite. Form that aspect it has a 100% success rate.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:24 AM (GQ5VU)

122 We already live in a dystopia. Only question is how much worse it's going to get.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 28, 2021 10:24 AM (II3Gr)

123
PIERS MORGAN: We need an urgent vaccine to save us from the Duke and Duchess of Polluting Hypocrisy and their cynical campaign to set up a rival money-grabbing renegade Royal Family.

High speed automobile pursuit through the streets and tunnels of Paris has a pretty decent record of success, I'm told.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2021 10:24 AM (pNxlR)

124
The best you can hope for is to die in your sleep.

Posted by: Kenny Rogers at September 28, 2021 10:24 AM (dQvv7)

125 Imagine a home depot but for cosmetics.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at September 28, 2021 10:22 AM (wAnMi)
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Ahhh. Face Depot.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 10:24 AM (Jsjd7)

126 Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:18 AM (GQ5VU)

Sort of. Even the top pols in the USSR only had a middle class American life style. It was only "rich" in comparison to those in their area.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 28, 2021 10:24 AM (1lKRm)

127 We may be at 1859/1860 levels of discontent but history will not repeat. We are too far away from the founding of the US for people to realize what they gained and could lose after our split with Britain. We have become too soft, too sedentary and do not want to lose our comfortable lives.
I would guess that the people who post here and people in the general population with the same beliefs are few and far between. There are too many who also depend on the benevolence of the US government for the livelihood. They will not give that up. The fighting spirit in this country is gone replaced with comfort.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at September 28, 2021 10:25 AM (2NHgQ)

128 In terms of things that keep people poor, lay away is probably pretty low on the list.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 28, 2021 10:22 AM (LvTSG)

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It feeds into the mentality of buying shit you can't afford. And that is what keeps people poor.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:25 AM (GQ5VU)

129 Stollsteimer said this all began with a shooting about a block away from the football stadium on the 900 block of Coates Street.

At the same time of the shooting, authorities say a vehicle turned onto Coates Street directly in front of three Sharon Hill Borough police officers.

"We have concluded that the gunfire, combined with the movement of the vehicle, precipitated responsive gunfire from the Sharon Hill police officers," said Stollsteimer on Monday.

According to Stollsteimer, it's believed that four of the five gunshot victims, including 8-year-old Fanta Bility, were struck by shots fired by the Sharon Hill police officers. Final forensic reports have not been released.

Sources have told Action News that no weapon was found after a search of the vehicle and its occupants. Shockingly, no one was hit in the car.

Multiple .45 caliber and .9-millimeter shell casings were recovered near the initial shooting scene on Coates Street, Stollsteimer said.

Posted by: SMOD at September 28, 2021 10:25 AM (RHGPo)

130 In terms of things that keep people poor, lay away is probably pretty low on the list.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 28, 2021 10:22 AM (LvTSG)

Lay away means at least you are actually buying it. Credit cards on the other hand...

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 10:25 AM (csEWM)

131 I've thought about this for years. One question is about the legal code (if our side wins).

As I understand it, after the revolution, we had English common law as a base and started building our national case law. After the win/split/whatever, do we wipe 70% of crappy legal precedent off the books and add 100 new amendments to really, really say what govt can't do?

To quote My Cousin Vinny, "Everything the 9th circuit has said is bullshit! Thank you."

Posted by: Two Weeks at September 28, 2021 10:25 AM (ELnqd)

132 Traditional Americans living in blue states need to relocate ASAP. We need to build supermajorities in red states.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 28, 2021 10:25 AM (996BY)

133 "Imagine a home depot but for cosmetics."

Overpriced crap that the gangstas resell to the brand-addicted underclass.

Posted by: At No Time Was John Weaver In The Physical Presence Of gp at September 28, 2021 10:25 AM (qpX6U)

134 Sort of. Even the top pols in the USSR only had a middle class American life style. It was only "rich" in comparison to those in their area.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 28, 2021 10:24 AM (1lKRm)
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Which is what counts. Wealth is a comparative as well as an absolute, and the comparative has more weight. Being absolutely rich is good, but being richer than your neighbors is better.

"It doesn't matter how shitty the hill is, so long as I am king of it."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 10:25 AM (Jsjd7)

135 America's salvation rests on a cultural rebirth of Liberalism. Slightly muscular, progressive Liberalism balanced by slightly conservative or libertarian Liberalism.

Not Collectivist Totalitarianism masquerading as Progressivism. Not Crony Capitalism masquerading as Conservatism. Not Barbarian Ad-Hoc-cracy.

Liberalism.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 28, 2021 10:26 AM (/EuRN)

136 Neither of these deaths are Covid-related.
Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six!(ptqGC) at September 28, 2021 10:18 AM (ptqGC)

Vaccine related? Sure seems to be a lot of heart disease lately. Undetected clots can do you in pretty quickly as well.
Prayers up.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at September 28, 2021 10:26 AM (wAnMi)

137

It doesn't have to look neat and pretty. Seen some of our congressional districts?

If it must happen, it's through negotiations. People will have to relocate. Then set up a DMZ.

No sane person would want or advocate for cw2.

Posted by: Korean peninsula model at September 28, 2021 10:26 AM (qM+xO)

138 Every state I can think of has heavily blue metropolitan centers, even Texas. Possible exceptions are Oklahoma, maybe South Carolina.
I don't see a geographical split working.

Posted by: casual observer 0928 at September 28, 2021 10:26 AM (aAP3z)

139 Thank you, grammie.

Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six!(ptqGC) at September 28, 2021 10:26 AM (ptqGC)

140 If an EMP can thoroughly disrupt our modern society by frying our electronic infrastructure, the leftist at the commanding heights can do the same thing to the heartland by shutting off our information access. We're so addicted to information that we'll go running back to them at the first sign of withdrawal symptoms.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 28, 2021 10:19 AM

The American Left controls every institution of information dissemination. Imagine they just decided one day they are tired of constantly having to censor and ban dissidents and it would be easier to just turn off the internet. Boom, we're back to early 1990s USA with everyone's only source of information is the mainstream media. Which the American Left fully controls the messaging.

Posted by: Tall Cool Gentleman in a Black Suit at September 28, 2021 10:26 AM (Do5/p)

141 132 Traditional Americans living in blue states need to relocate ASAP. We need to build supermajorities in red states.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 28, 2021 10:25 AM (996BY)

I need kid1 to move to a red state, otherwise my husband will never leave the NYC metropolitan area

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 10:26 AM (ONvIw)

142 Watching the senate testimony. These Republican senators, with the partial exception of Cotton, are either borderline senile or worthless re cross examination.

Posted by: Blackstone at September 28, 2021 10:26 AM (9byfS)

143 : Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six!(ptqGC) at September 28, 2021 10:18 AM (ptqGC)

So sorry... Prayers

Posted by: It's me donna at September 28, 2021 10:27 AM (8nD9v)

144 128 In terms of things that keep people poor, lay away is probably pretty low on the list.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 28, 2021 10:22 AM (LvTSG)

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It feeds into the mentality of buying shit you can't afford. And that is what keeps people poor.
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Meh, take a look at the Loan Shark State using Taxpayer Money to indebt the slaves forever. Work Shall Set You Free.

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 28, 2021 10:27 AM (fWTJL)

145 They've found their wedge/tool:

@Salon
It's time to start firing unvaccinated people: Trump fans are overdue for a lesson in consequences

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2021 10:27 AM (bDqIh)

146 As I mentioned on the MR; it'll be American style apartheid (which is really already here) and/or Balkanization.

If the leftists start a shooting war, they'll win. They don't go all in unless they've got the game rigged. We should know that by now.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 28, 2021 10:27 AM (BFigT)

147 So, we can't get republican legislatures to enact audits on an obviously fraudulent election but they're going to risk giving up their spots on the gravy train to separate from people they're more or less in lockstep with?

Ok...

Before we start talking national divorce, maybe we start electing people who represent us. Let's see how that works first.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 28, 2021 10:28 AM (KbCG3)

148 Delayed gratification is one of the most important keys to being successful in life. Lay-away is the complete opposite of that. And that's why I say it is a destroyer of wealth/success. Whether or not interest is paid is irrelevant. It feeds into a never ending cycle of "want it now, get it now" that is corrosive for people.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:28 AM (GQ5VU)

149 142 Watching the senate testimony. These Republican senators, with the partial exception of Cotton, are either borderline senile or worthless re cross examination.
Posted by: Blackstone at September 28, 2021 10:26 AM (9byfS)

So Cotton is the designated "interrogator. " They always have one

Posted by: It's me donna at September 28, 2021 10:28 AM (8nD9v)

150 41 Don't forget the division of Czechoslovakia into Slovakia and the Czech Republic. Very quiet, very civilized. Unfortunately, though, a similar split of the U.S. would leave us looking like Israel and the Palestinians -- a prosperous, law abiding chunk caught between two poverty-stricken, lawless strips of land bent on destroying the center. Plus, again like Israelis, there would be blue lumps like Chicago trying to suck up the resources.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin, clinging bitterly to a deplorable life at September 28, 2021 10:12 AM (BvRyV)

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Chicago could be its own principality, like Monaco but shitty.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at September 28, 2021 10:28 AM (lNHqD)

151 Hey Aetius,
Nice to see you here.
Wtf were you thinking going after Wyatt Earp? He's no fib. You and tonypete were way out of line and couldn't be wronger.

This is why folks leave here. He's been here a long time. We he WAS

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 28, 2021 10:28 AM (n80Ta)

152 It's time to start firing unvaccinated people: Trump fans are overdue for a lesson in consequences
Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2021 10:27 AM (bDqIh)

Yeah, let's show these black and latino Trump fans!!!!/s

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 10:28 AM (ONvIw)

153 A totalitarian fascist government is where we are headed. I don't think there will be a divorce, because most people are peaceful and we lack (for now) crazy firebrand leaders like Sam Adams and Thomas Paine willing to start a fight (backed up by the John Adamses and Thos. Jefferson types).

Every day we see Fibbie types here, and you have to assume they know who all of us are, and assume further all of our EZ Passes and phones are watched. So organization is really difficult, and - even with organization - we are largely civic-minded rule followers, not thugs.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 28, 2021 10:28 AM (WF8ae)

154 145 They've found their wedge/tool:

@Salon
It's time to start firing unvaccinated people: Trump fans are overdue for a lesson in consequences
Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2021 10:27 AM (bDqIh)

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Can we start with black USPS workers and see how that goes?

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:28 AM (GQ5VU)

155 the best approach now is to turn your red state into a fortress, elect psychotically conservative people who want commies dead as much as you can, accept no rinos , squishes or open primaries.

One thing the left learned was to run people that could claim to be moderate-ish in Red States. Whether it was true or not did not matter since we are talking about elections.

And for years I'd argue with people in red states that would vote for "moderate" Dems. Because they'd say the moderate Dem was closer to their politics. And I'd point out this isn't how it worked. If you are voting in a red State you need a "far right" Republican to balance the far left Dem being elected in another Blue State just to get to "moderate" from congress as a whole. And often I'd just get the argument restated again that the "moderate" Dem is closer to this idiot voter.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 28, 2021 10:29 AM (DpkTQ)

156 Jeez. Fumbling compound questions. Opportunity to nail these folks in public wasted away.

Posted by: Blackstone at September 28, 2021 10:29 AM (9byfS)

157 In his remarks, Milley also addressed a phone call from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on January 8, 2021, in which she pressed him about the process to launch a nuclear weapon. Milley says he informed her that while launching such a weapon requires multiple people in the chain of command, the president is the sole authority to launch an attack.

Either the Chinese have direct lines to Nancy Pelosi or they have sympathetic ears on Capitol Hill.

Posted by: SMOD at September 28, 2021 10:29 AM (RHGPo)

158 @Salon
It's time to start firing unvaccinated people: Trump fans are overdue for a lesson in consequences

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2021 10:27 AM (bDqIh)

Which just reinforces the fact that this is not about health. This is about power, politics and retribution.

Posted by: grammie winger at September 28, 2021 10:29 AM (45fpk)

159 I see this more as a split coming by ways of states just deciding to "opt out," much the same way as with the Civil War, however without clear declarations of secession. We already see this with blue and red states essentially setting up and executing their own legislation directly opposed to the Feds depending on who is in power. Once these legal battles are exhausted, and the yolk of one ideology is thrown upon those who will not tolerate it, you will have a basic breakdown where these rulings will be ignored, and at that point it may go kinetic. There may be enclaves of blue and red in otherwise dominant states, but these people will quickly move away or be swept out, perhaps by violence. Depending then on how strong the Feds are, there may be actions taken against states, but I will go back to the Civil War and determine that most in the Armed forces will go back to their states and families and proceed with violent/defensive actions accordingly. It may be sparse to begin with, but the dissolution of the union by sheer will of non-compliance with dictates will lead the way, and new unions with like states will be forged.

Posted by: kotter at September 28, 2021 10:29 AM (saHCz)

160 148 Delayed gratification is one of the most important keys to being successful in life. Lay-away is the complete opposite of that. And that's why I say it is a destroyer of wealth/success. Whether or not interest is paid is irrelevant. It feeds into a never ending cycle of "want it now, get it now" that is corrosive for people.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:28 AM (GQ5VU)

An Oscar Lewis fan? That is before the left made him Oscar Meyer and he modified The Culture of Poverty.

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 10:29 AM (ONvIw)

161 152 It's time to start firing unvaccinated people: Trump fans are overdue for a lesson in consequences
Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2021 10:27 AM (bDqIh)
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Didn't know Trump had that many black fans.

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 28, 2021 10:29 AM (fWTJL)

162 Delayed gratification is one of the most important keys to being successful in life. Lay-away is the complete opposite of that. And that's why I say it is a destroyer of wealth/success. Whether or not interest is paid is irrelevant. It feeds into a never ending cycle of "want it now, get it now" that is corrosive for people.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:28 AM (GQ5VU)
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You don't get it now with layaway. You make your payment until you hit the total price and only then do you get it. It is delayed. It is a complicated way to save for something, but layaway is much more a specific form of goal-oriented saving than it is a financing scheme.

You are still better off saving your money yourself to get what you want.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 10:29 AM (Jsjd7)

163 @Salon
It's time to start firing unvaccinated people: Trump fans are overdue for a lesson in consequences
Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2021 10:27 AM (bDqIh)

Try threatening BLM... last time I looked they were the ones against the vax

Posted by: It's me donna at September 28, 2021 10:29 AM (8nD9v)

164 I think the war has already been fought and lost by the Right.

The left controls just about everything and the last vestiges of goodwill the right had for any institution (police, military) is just about gone.

Posted by: MJ at September 28, 2021 10:30 AM (zwDuR)

165 Our civil war was also brutal and bloody and cruel, yet with time and admittedly some fits and starts we were able to create a country unified in its goals and aspirations, without the festering hatreds of central Europe or Rwanda or Peru or any of dozens of countries whose internal strife rivaled the worst of human history.

People of the Northern persuasion still view Southerners as backwards, low-intellect, non-shoe wearing, possum-eating, cousin-humping inbreds the drink moonshine and shit in a hole in a wooden shed.

As recently as the 1980's Southerners were depicted as Hillbillies on television eating vittles, blowing on a brown jug and riding in a rocking chair on the back of a pickup truck or running from the law in their Confederate flag sports sedan shooting arrows tipped with dynamite.

The cultural hate has always been present. It's only because of the genteel, good nature of Southerners that the cultural divide has been peaceful.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 28, 2021 10:30 AM (5We2S)

166 Either the Chinese have direct lines to Nancy Pelosi or they have sympathetic ears on Capitol Hill.
Posted by: SMOD at September 28, 2021 10:29 AM (RHGPo)

Both. It would take a lot of stupidity to believe that Mitch isn't part of the China cabal.

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 10:30 AM (ONvIw)

167 145 They've found their wedge/tool:

@Salon
It's time to start firing unvaccinated people: Trump fans are overdue for a lesson in consequences
Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2021 10:27 AM (bDqIh)

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"Mass firings of black people!"
-Leftist, definitely not a racist

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 28, 2021 10:30 AM (LvTSG)

168 "Who knows..."

No one does, really. Uncharted territory.

We do know that the Left is ruthless and uncompromising in their quest for absolute power, and that Republican politicians -- the putative "opposition" party -- are largely weak, clueless, deluded or beholden to the oligarchy.

Therefore we can assume that only a subset of conservatives (leaderless so far) are as determined to defend freedom as the entirety of the Left is to take it away.

The Left seems to be racing toward a state of control such that opposition is prohibitively risky to that critical mass of citizens -- the rebels -- who could make a difference.

I just cannot envision how we avoid violence. At the same time, I do not see how the violence can be decisive.

My sense is that some catastrophe resulting from the catastrophic incompetence of the Left will scramble all predictions.

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 28, 2021 10:30 AM (BNHnQ)

169 "It doesn't matter how shitty the hill is, so long as I am king of it."

This guy? He gets it.

Posted by: Stan at September 28, 2021 10:30 AM (DpkTQ)

170
This is why America cannot be fixed. They will just come out and say "nothing to see here"
Posted by: artisanal ette at September 28, 2021 10:09 AM (2o90I)

As a local election judge (get involved folks!), I have always wanted an organization (f you, GOPe) that would hire thousands of watchers that would videotape and count every single door on every single building that serves as a polling location and compare precinct counts vs the people actually going in the building.

Alas, with mass mail in voting I don't know how to audit it without getting a job with the SOS or electing smart legislators. Sigh.

Posted by: Two Weeks at September 28, 2021 10:31 AM (ELnqd)

171 Ask yourself this:

Would the Left or Right use the military against its own people?

Would the Left or Right purge the military of dissenters to make sure they would fire on their own countrymen?

Posted by: MJ at September 28, 2021 10:31 AM (zwDuR)

172 134 Sort of. Even the top pols in the USSR only had a middle class American life style. It was only "rich" in comparison to those in their area.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 28, 2021 10:24 AM (1lKRm)
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Which is what counts. Wealth is a comparative as well as an absolute, and the comparative has more weight. Being absolutely rich is good, but being richer than your neighbors is better.

"It doesn't matter how shitty the hill is, so long as I am king of it."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 10:25 AM (Jsjd7)

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Yep. There have been a few studies along these lines. They tell people you have 2 options. Option 1 is you get $10, and the guy next to you gets $20. Or you both get $5. And the majority of people take the $5 option. Even though they get 1/2 as much money they don't want someone else getting more. It's insane, but it's how people are wired.

And that's why being a "middle class" communist party leader among a population of serfs is a better option than being middle class in a capitalist system where Bill Gates and Elon also exist.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:31 AM (GQ5VU)

173 They've found their wedge/tool:

@Salon
It's time to start firing unvaccinated people: Trump fans are overdue for a lesson in consequences

Wait til they see who are the "unvaccinated people." Number 4 will shock them!

Posted by: Oddbob at September 28, 2021 10:31 AM (nfrXX)

174 I see this more as a split coming by ways of states just deciding to "opt out," much the same way as with the Civil War, however without clear declarations of secession. We already see this with blue and red states essentially setting up and executing their own legislation directly opposed to the Feds depending on who is in power. ...
Posted by: kotter at September 28, 2021 10:29 AM (saHCz)
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That's a nullification crisis, and is in essence my preferred approach to the problem. It has a high probability of ending in war anyway - though everything does now. We're at a Morton's Fork and I suspect that all paths lead to war now.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 10:31 AM (Jsjd7)

175
... including 8-year-old Fanta Bility,

Her cousin, Faygo Orange, was unscathed.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2021 10:31 AM (pNxlR)

176 9 I think most Americans are too lazy to fight and will gladly accept anything as long as they get their likes on Farcebook and a new phone every year.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 28, 2021 10:03 AM (UuD2k)

Agreed.
Posted by: Jordan61 at September 28, 2021 10:04 AM (Ez6QX)

Yeah, well most didn't fight in the Revolutionary war either, but 10% still equals 35 million, a sizable force in my humble opinion.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 28, 2021 10:31 AM (o2MD2)

177 Either the Chinese have direct lines to Nancy Pelosi or they have sympathetic ears on Capitol Hill.
Posted by: SMOD at September 28, 2021 10:29 AM (RHGPo)

The majority of the congressional cocksuckers are bought off one way or another.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 28, 2021 10:32 AM (EymwA)

178
As recently as the 1980's Southerners were depicted as Hillbillies on television eating vittles, blowing on a brown jug and riding in a rocking chair on the back of a pickup truck or running from the law in their Confederate flag sports sedan shooting arrows tipped with dynamite.

The cultural hate has always been present. It's only because of the genteel, good nature of Southerners that the cultural divide has been peaceful.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 28, 2021 10:30 AM (5We2S

Yes. This cultural hatred has been actively pursued in Hollywood and NYC.

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 10:32 AM (ONvIw)

179 I have an alternate vision.

We win, they lose.

We start by purging the 5th column in our ranks, then turn the socialists into non-citizens or exiles.

I don't feel compelled to accept defeat. The leftists didn't. Fuck them.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 28, 2021 10:32 AM (oIkGM)

180 It doesn't fail if you are a communist leader. In every communist society, the top 5% lives have/had very good lives.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:18 AM

Exactly. All these ideologies are not "failures" at all. They are complete successes for the elite. The elite live great lives with complete totalitarian control of the masses. That is their utopia.

The elite don't give a shit about the average citizen. We are simply pawns to be used for their amusement and to increase their power and control. Nothing more. This goes for every elite as well. Politicians, business people, "entertainment" industry, sports athletes and executives, media, tech companies, "healthcare" industry, etc. 99% of these people have no fucking clue how the average citizen lives. Their elite lives are completely divorced from the reality of life for the average person.

Posted by: Tall Cool Gentleman in a Black Suit at September 28, 2021 10:32 AM (Do5/p)

181 151 Hey Aetius,
Nice to see you here.
Wtf were you thinking going after Wyatt Earp? He's no fib. You and tonypete were way out of line and couldn't be wronger.

This is why folks leave here. He's been here a long time. We he WAS
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 28, 2021 10:28 AM (n80Ta)

Wait. When did I go after Wyatt? He's a good dude. And TP as well?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 10:32 AM (csEWM)

182 Are the generals and secretary under oath?

Posted by: micky at September 28, 2021 10:32 AM (3byMq)

183 Reminder:

#WASTF

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at September 28, 2021 10:32 AM (Zz0t1)

184 Overpriced crap that the gangstas resell to the brand-addicted underclass.
Posted by: At No Time Was John Weaver In The Physical Presence Of gp at September 28, 2021 10:25 AM (qpX6U)

With the >$950 shoplifting law in CA - we've seen that the black gangsta's swipe it then sell it to illegals who then turn it at the flea market. Literally the next day, they don't even bother to remove the store stickers. And the police can't bust the illegals because sanctuary and racist. Just imagine having a small business, 7 guys walk in and each takes $1k in merchandise and the cops don't do squat.

With Newsom passing the mail-in law, there's nothing left here. Time to ramp up the escape plans.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at September 28, 2021 10:33 AM (wAnMi)

185 182 Are the generals and secretary under oath?
Posted by: micky at September 28, 2021 10:32 AM (3byMq)

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Would it matter?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 28, 2021 10:33 AM (LvTSG)

186 Which is what counts. Wealth is a comparative as well as an absolute, and the comparative has more weight. Being absolutely rich is good, but being richer than your neighbors is better.

One example of this prior to covid mania there was a complaint from the rich that the American middle class was crowding their favorite vacation spots. The FNM dutifully reported it was bad for Gaia to let middle class people go on vacation but they never had a tool to stop it...

Until now.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 28, 2021 10:33 AM (DpkTQ)

187 184 With Newsom passing the mail-in law, there's nothing left here. Time to ramp up the escape plans.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at September 28, 2021 10:33 AM (wAnMi)

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Let California have their Utopia.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 28, 2021 10:33 AM (LvTSG)

188 Was cleaning stuff in the garage and found a case of 45 acp I didn't know I had. So...it's not all bad news today.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards,

Case or box? There's a huge difference.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2021 10:33 AM (OCTRt)

189 Would it matter?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 28, 2021 10:33 AM (LvTSG)

Of course not, they are entitled to lie and get away with it

Posted by: Billy plays Bagpipes at September 28, 2021 10:33 AM (ONvIw)

190 I have never been anything but polite and cordial to Wyatt.

The last time I can remember that someone said anything about a troll was last night with Stellatwo(something) and I said she WASN'T a troll.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 10:34 AM (csEWM)

191 The cultural hate has always been present. It's only because of the genteel, good nature of Southerners that the cultural divide has been peaceful.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 28, 2021 10:30 AM (5We2S)

You got Ellie May Clampett and Daisy Duke.

We got Alex P. Keaton and Steve Urkell.

Cry me a feckin' river.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 28, 2021 10:34 AM (/EuRN)

192 On it mattering? No. Just a dumb question as law is now forbidden.

Posted by: micky at September 28, 2021 10:34 AM (3byMq)

193 >>It feeds into the mentality of buying shit you can't afford. And that is what keeps people poor.

Except, you CAN afford the payments.
Hence the schedule...
shit, my first 5-6 guitars were bought on LayAway plans.

Lay Away is not a negative thing. The opposite, in fact. It encourages a lot of the good aspects of consumerism.

Credit, however, can be a whole lot more negative.

Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2021 10:34 AM (O6tY8)

194 "It's time to start firing unvaccinated people: Trump fans are overdue for a lesson in consequences"

I think the phrase these douchebags are looking for is totalitarianism. Remember, these are the morons spouting platitudes like "hate has no home" and "tolerance."

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 28, 2021 10:34 AM (Ectld)

195 And I weep for my children and their future. I don't think anyone who is in favor of this in any way realize how much blood this will bring. I pray for some form of reconciliation before it hits this point, but I'm not sure how this doesn't end badly. I understand the sloganeering and bullshit, but when you are faced with actual violence at this level, it is shocking to me how many people just throw it to the wind and say "bring it on." You don't want this kind of hurt. That is the difficulty of deciding when you can no longer bend, lest you break.

Posted by: kotter at September 28, 2021 10:35 AM (saHCz)

196
@Salon
It's time to start firing unvaccinated people: Trump fans are overdue for a lesson in consequences
Posted by: Lizzy

Is it too much to ask for an immediate announcement of another round of layoffs at Salon right now?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 28, 2021 10:35 AM (pNxlR)

197 138 Every state I can think of has heavily blue metropolitan centers, even Texas. Possible exceptions are Oklahoma, maybe South Carolina.
I don't see a geographical split working.

Posted by: casual observer 0928 at September 28, 2021 10:26 AM (aAP3z)

The areas of SC near Charlotte and down at the southern portion of the beach are heavy Blue.

Posted by: Vic at September 28, 2021 10:35 AM (mpXpK)

198 Everything I learned about the South I learned from Bugs Bunny.

Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2021 10:36 AM (O6tY8)

199 Wait. When did I go after Wyatt? He's a good dude. And TP as well?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 10:32 AM (csEWM)

Unless the filthy nic stealer was up to no good last night....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 28, 2021 10:36 AM (/EuRN)

200 A populace that shut down itself down over fear of 0.2% casualty rate virus will not be signing on for a civil war ... even if you personally are super mad about whatever you're super mad about.

Plan accordingly (or not), but don't pretend the scenario of muddling along with more or less the existing status quo is the "pie-in-the-sky" scenario.

Posted by: Match Checksout at September 28, 2021 10:36 AM (dYe5S)

201 "Everything I learned about the South I learned from Bugs Bunny."

Probably more accurate than the Civil War revisionism we've been seeing the last decade.

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 28, 2021 10:37 AM (Ectld)

202 Unless the filthy nic stealer was up to no good last night....
Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 28, 2021 10:36 AM (/EuRN)

Last night? I just checked the last 5 threads to the ONT and did not see anything aside from what I remember commenting.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 10:37 AM (csEWM)

203 "Except, you CAN afford the **payments**."

Yes they can afford the payment, not the item. That is my point.

Payments are the problem. It's why poor people stay poor, because they are always making some sort of payment instead of building wealth.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:37 AM (GQ5VU)

204 "Just imagine having a small business, 7 guys walk in and each takes $1k in merchandise and the cops don't do squat."

I wonder what would happen if the owner started calling the thieves racist names. That might trigger their Black Rage, and make them stop stealing and start attacking. Then they can be fought in self-defense.

Posted by: At No Time Was John Weaver In The Physical Presence Of gp at September 28, 2021 10:37 AM (qpX6U)

205 f you are in a dead end blue state and are a conservative, you have to move. now. if you don't, then sorry, you are part of the problem. all those fed up NYers who moved to FL have made FL a more powerful state electorally than NY. it can certainly be done to CA.
______________________________________
the people that could move, have moved. The rest won't/can't move because of job or family excuses. That is fine for now, but the window is closing. How much do you want to sacrifice for that job? If your family won't move, you will have to make some hard decisions when the time comes.

Posted by: megthered at September 28, 2021 10:37 AM (vvWGB)

206 What thread, nurse?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 10:37 AM (csEWM)

207 Which just reinforces the fact that this is not about health. This is about power, politics and retribution.

Posted by: grammie winger at September 28, 2021 10:29 AM

And it has been since Day 1 back in March 2020. People just refused to believe it. Hell, people today - left and right - still refuse to believe it. Even while we are on something like Week 75 of "15 days to flatten the curve".

Posted by: Tall Cool Gentleman in a Black Suit at September 28, 2021 10:37 AM (Do5/p)

208 Interesting trivia I only recently learned: we fought a revolutionary war in the midst of a smallpox pandemic.

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 28, 2021 10:38 AM (BNHnQ)

209 Wait. When did I go after Wyatt? He's a good dude. And TP as well?

Posted by: Aetius451AD

Wut? If I insulted anyone, please let me know. That is never my intent.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 28, 2021 10:38 AM (mD/uy)

210 We are way, way past amicable solutions.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 28, 2021 10:38 AM (o2MD2)

211 So the Turtle is caving on the shut down.. He's wiling to "work" with the Dems now..... POS

Posted by: It's me donna at September 28, 2021 10:38 AM (8nD9v)

212 Everything I learned about the South I learned from Bugs Bunny.
Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2021 10:36 AM (O6tY

Also my first geography lesson to find out where he'd have gone if he *had* turned left at Albuquerque.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at September 28, 2021 10:39 AM (wAnMi)

213 The more realistic scenario is not splitting up peaceably, nor fighting a civil war, but defeating the leftists.

You do that the way we defeated the Soviets, by showing them, through a display of force, that if they try to consolidate power, there will be nothing for them to rule over. Everything they love will burn. I don't know exactly what that looks like, but at least part of it includes Sefton's observation that patriots must take power over local rule.

The Soviets wanted Europe. They needed a tactical advantage in ballistic nukes to support the invasion by conventional means. Reagan denied them that advantage. When they realized they couldn't have Europe without an unwinnable fight, they gave up and elected Gorbachev.

Defeating modern leftists in America

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at September 28, 2021 10:39 AM (GD2xa)

214 Nurse - please hit me up by email if you like. I do what to understand what your thoughts are. Thank you.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 28, 2021 10:39 AM (mD/uy)

215 I'm in for the civil war as long as the cool mustaches come back as well. Not the hipster ones, the actual cool ones.

I'm also not wearing a wool suit in July. Fuck that.

Posted by: MJ at September 28, 2021 10:39 AM (zwDuR)

216 As a young man (high school teen really), I remember reading Heinlein's Friday shortly after it come out in 1982 (probably 1983 since I read the paperback).
I couldn't really comprehend his vision of balkanization he used in the setting, but have started to gain that comprehension since 2001. It accelerates yearly.
My big question, if (when) this would happen, would the Urbans be quick enough to secure the food, energy & goods production? Would they be able to secure enough (wo)manpower to force the Rurals to hand over their food, etc?
I for one would love to see the city implode. If you can't feed them or distract them (fb, twit, et.al.) the cities will burn and everything will resemble Soylent Green and movies of that sort from the late 60s & early 70s.

I truly believe we are at the end of a long run and a reset is coming, whether we want it to or not.

I. Hard Times create Strong Men
II. Strong Men create Good Times
III. Good Times create Weak Men
IV. Weak Men create Hard Times

Posted by: Saxinis Kion at September 28, 2021 10:39 AM (dbdgv)

217 I think most Americans are too lazy to fight and will gladly accept anything as long as they get their likes on Farcebook and a new phone every year.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 28, 2021 10:03 AM (UuD2k)

...or are sucking on the government tit, so there's that.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'here a variant there a variant, everywhere as variant!' at September 28, 2021 10:39 AM (RoIW/)

218 falsehoods is to lies as
utilize is to use

Posted by: micky at September 28, 2021 10:39 AM (3byMq)

219 A peaceful division is highly doubtful because the commie cocksuckers won't let it be peaceful. They get too much pleasure from forcing themselves on anyone who disagrees with them.

In short, they are rapists.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 28, 2021 10:39 AM (zAQc9)

220 Oops poor editing. Whatever

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at September 28, 2021 10:39 AM (GD2xa)

221 211 So the Turtle is caving on the shut down.. He's wiling to "work" with the Dems now..... POS
Posted by: It's me donna at September 28, 2021 10:38 AM (8nD9v)

Failure Theater. Turtle is an Olivier!

Posted by: Billy plays Bagpipes at September 28, 2021 10:39 AM (ONvIw)

222 "101 Rivers of Blood. Strange Fruit hanging from every lamppost. Like Kaboom cereal.
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 28, 2021 10:21 AM (fWTJL)"

I love this place, 'cause there is no place that is like this place.

*golf clap*

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at September 28, 2021 10:40 AM (jDHSU)

223 Lay-away is the complete opposite of that. ... It feeds into a never ending cycle of "want it now, get it now" that is corrosive for people.

I think maybe we're understanding "lay away" differently. As I understand it, it's not "get it today, pay over time" it's "pay over time, get it when it's paid for." The former always includes interest even if it's hidden in the price. It has to to cover the risk of nonpayment. The latter is no different from putting cash in a jar every month except that by committing to another party, you've made it harder to take it back out.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 28, 2021 10:40 AM (nfrXX)

224 Most people kinda care but really don't. As long as sportsball games are on TV, porn is readily streaming, etc 90% of people will be content to just do as their told.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:40 AM (GQ5VU)

225 "Failure Theater. Turtle is an Olivier!"

Wait. The Washington Generals lost again? How does this keep happening?!?

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 28, 2021 10:40 AM (Ectld)

226 Glad to see we're finally discussing the alternatives to socialism. My solution is to fight like you're the third monkey outside Noah's and Ark and it's starting to rain.

Fight the media, fight the school boards and most of all fight the worthless fucks causing the problems.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at September 28, 2021 10:41 AM (gLBtQ)

227 211 So the Turtle is caving on the shut down.. He's wiling to "work" with the Dems now..... POS
Posted by: It's me donna at September 28, 2021 10:38 AM (8nD9v)

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But I'll bet a lot of boomer Fox viewers sent the RNC a lot of money over the past 3 days to HELP MITCH FIGHT FOR YOUR VALUES.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:41 AM (GQ5VU)

228 My opinion the Spanish CW isn't a bad analogy of what could happen

Posted by: Skip's Phone at September 28, 2021 10:41 AM (so5/u)

229 Off Obese DOJ sock with bagpipes

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 10:41 AM (ONvIw)

230 What happens if Drumpf wins and is sworn in in 24?

Do they even allow swearing in?

Would the riots stop or consume the nation?

Posted by: I mean at September 28, 2021 10:41 AM (VCJ/o)

231 Let California have their Utopia.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 28, 2021 10:33 AM (LvTSG)

agreed, but they infect other states like a horde of locusts.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'here a variant there a variant, everywhere as variant!' at September 28, 2021 10:41 AM (RoIW/)

232 >>Can we start with black USPS workers and see how that goes?

Nah, they're going to make targeted exceptions to protect their voters, such as UPS and now NYC school teachers. Two big unions that fund Democrats - shocka!

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2021 10:41 AM (bDqIh)

233 "121 People need to stop saying communism "failed". It didn't fail. It always did what was intended to do, make millions of people miserable while enriching a small elite. Form that aspect it has a 100% success rate.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:24 AM (GQ5VU) "

this, spot-on !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at September 28, 2021 10:42 AM (jDHSU)

234 232 >>Can we start with black USPS workers and see how that goes?

Nah, they're going to make targeted exceptions to protect their voters, such as UPS and now NYC school teachers. Two big unions that fund Democrats - shocka!
Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2021 10:41 AM (bDqIh)

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Yes. Make it obvious that whites are second class citizens. If the left was racialism, white people shouldn't lie to themselves about it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 28, 2021 10:42 AM (LvTSG)

235 >>Payments are the problem. It's why poor people stay poor, because they are always making some sort of payment instead of building wealth.

No. The problem is making payments for something that is not the product. Loans, Credit, etc.

LayAway does not penalize you for scheduling payments. It does nothing but secure an item and allow a timeframe to make payments towards the purchase price.

If anything, it lends to responsibility, not poverty.

Shit. I put 5k guitars on layaway when I was 15-16, with $50 and then went out and got new jobs/shifts to increase my income to cover the additional expense.

You will never convince me that there is a negative aspect to a typical layaway scenario. Can't tell you how many old collectibles I have owned that came with the layaway booklet/stubs from the original purchaser.

Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2021 10:42 AM (O6tY8)

236 I went all the way back through quick hits yesterday afternoon and did not see anything.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 10:42 AM (csEWM)

237 I wonder what they are saying on the other side....

Posted by: runner at September 28, 2021 10:42 AM (qREJU)

238 I disagree with the foundational premise of a National Divorce.

To suggest it could work is to believe the leftists would let us go. They won't. Not ever. Not for anything.

There is no restraining order on the planet strong enough to convince them to leave us alone. They will never stop.

Which means, necessarily, that they must BE stopped. That way lies blood.

Posted by: Dr. Washington Nearsider, #FJB. If you get it, you get it. at September 28, 2021 10:42 AM (cvNl1)

239 Has to pay....many hangings are due. But Dens would use nukes to keep power.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 28, 2021 10:42 AM (6vR6V)

240
But I'll bet a lot of boomer Fox viewers sent the RNC a lot of money over the past 3 days to HELP MITCH FIGHT FOR YOUR VALUES.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:41 AM (GQ5VU)

I think the boomers are fed up, I see the millenials kicking in though. These are the people working for Congressional types.

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 10:43 AM (ONvIw)

241 Posted by: Saxinis Kion at September 28, 2021 10:39 AM (dbdgv)

You can't occupy a country-side. Energy production is a lot easier to secure. When large economies break down(as a disruption in internal trade will cause), cities depopulate. The Roman Empire experienced this.

This is why dark ages going into the middle ages most of Europe had many very local manorial lords rather than highly concentrated urban power bases (Byzantine Empire with their intact Constantinople and relatively stable territory being a noteworthy exception).

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at September 28, 2021 10:43 AM (z5Vrg)

242 So the Turtle is caving on the shut down.. He's wiling to "work" with the Dems now..... POS
Posted by: It's me donna at September 28, 2021 10:38 AM (8nD9v)

You either believe Government is the solution, or Government is the problem. And if you work IN Government...well, guess which side you're on?

Posted by: Wally at September 28, 2021 10:43 AM (FJYfm)

243 "Fight the media, fight the school boards and most of all fight the worthless fucks causing the problems."

Thank you, Jack. This is exactly it. Push back. Do something. Don't lay down and take it.

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 28, 2021 10:43 AM (Ectld)

244 I am coming to the conclusion that it is going to be a bunch of individual secessions like going Galt.

And a bunch of Irish Democracy.

We will still all live in Woke America, but we will rule our own NoGo zones.

Posted by: blaster at September 28, 2021 10:43 AM (mbFEM)

245 "Except, you CAN afford the **payments**."

Yes they can afford the payment, not the item. That is my point.

Payments are the problem. It's why poor people stay poor, because they are always making some sort of payment instead of building wealth.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:37 AM

Walked into a car dealer that had a used jeep i wanted and the first words out of their mouth was "what do you want your payment to be", walked right back out.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 28, 2021 10:43 AM (JUOKG)

246 Yes, and there will be more informal segregation in the coming years.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 28, 2021 10:06 AM (Q9lwr)

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It's happening already, conservatives leaving blue states.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at September 28, 2021 10:43 AM (RMGKK)

247 230 What happens if Drumpf wins and is sworn in in 24?

Do they even allow swearing in?

Would the riots stop or consume the nation?
Posted by: I mean at September 28, 2021 10:41 AM (VCJ/o)

Not sure. Would love to find out.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 28, 2021 10:43 AM (KbCG3)

248 More likely at this point, the USA will collapse and something else will take its place.
The Left is doing everything possible to make it happen and the GOP is sleepwalking through the whole process, as usual, just to be amenable.
It will start when the USD is no longer the Reserve Currency.
At that point we won't be able to pay back debts, which will be something like 300% of GDP. Civil servants, the military, the government will not get paid. Or they will be paid with worthless dollars.
It will happen in the twinkling of an eye, just like in the former USSR. One day they were there, the next, they weren't.

Posted by: casual observer 0928 at September 28, 2021 10:44 AM (aAP3z)

249 >>I think maybe we're understanding "lay away" differently. As I understand it, it's not "get it today, pay over time" it's "pay over time, get it when it's paid for."

The Later. The former is not layaway, but a credit situation.

There is no reclamation in layaway...only forfeiture of payments made.

Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2021 10:44 AM (O6tY8)

250 Hell, aside from the stellatwocents thing, I did not even see much aside from me making busty redhead jokes, marylou retton comparisons to atc and talking about Ajax.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 10:44 AM (csEWM)

251 Anyone going to light the fire at this mishearing? Cotton was understated but then again he has to rush over to faux news for his cameo so we can forgive that

Posted by: micky at September 28, 2021 10:44 AM (3byMq)

252 230 What happens if Drumpf wins and is sworn in in 24?

Australian police will be sent in to kill us all

Posted by: kallisto at September 28, 2021 10:44 AM (DJFLF)

253 I disagree with the foundational premise of a National Divorce.

To suggest it could work is to believe the leftists would let us go. They won't. Not ever. Not for anything. ...
Posted by: Dr. Washington Nearsider, #FJB. If you get it, you get it. at September 28, 2021 10:42 AM (cvNl1)
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This is the argument only those who think that national divorce avoids war. It won't. It will draw the battle lines clearly, though, and allow for separate peaces down the road, depending on number of factions.

National divorce is not, however, a war-avoidance mechanism.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 10:44 AM (Jsjd7)

254 Instead of Yugoslavia, our template might be more like the Czechia - Slovakia divorce.
Posted by: MichiCanuck at September 28, 2021 10:08 AM (gEYP0)

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The Czechs and Slovaks didn't hate each other, they just wanted their own countries.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at September 28, 2021 10:44 AM (RMGKK)

255 "They've found their wedge/tool:

@Salon
It's time to start firing unvaccinated people: Trump fans are overdue for a lesson in consequences"

Do blacks that voted for Biden get fired too or will they be exempt like they will be for the passport?

Posted by: Ripley at September 28, 2021 10:45 AM (MxEKc)

256 249 >>I think maybe we're understanding "lay away" differently. As I understand it, it's not "get it today, pay over time" it's "pay over time, get it when it's paid for."

The Later. The former is not layaway, but a credit situation.

There is no reclamation in layaway...only forfeiture of payments made.
Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2021 10:44 AM (O6tY

I think he is talking about the Rent-a-Center model.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 10:45 AM (csEWM)

257 Also my first geography lesson to find out where he'd have gone if he *had* turned left at Albuquerque.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at September 28, 2021 10:39 AM

He'd be standing on a corner in Winslow, Arizona.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 28, 2021 10:45 AM (a3Q+t)

258 208 Interesting trivia I only recently learned: we fought a revolutionary war in the midst of a smallpox pandemic.

mask mandates saved us.

Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at September 28, 2021 10:45 AM (v3pYe)

259 Long but must read.

https://www.theautomaticearth.com/
2021/09/spartacus/

Posted by: leber at September 28, 2021 10:45 AM (213DI)

260 Let's also not discount how the FBI is bound and determined to to start something with their undercover "white nationalist" plots. Seeing how Pelosi/the Democrats, DoJ, DoD leadership and MSM have latched onto that narrative -- "It's the greatest threat to Our Democracy(tm)/domestic terrorism since [a legit attack/act of war]!!!

The Color Revolution playbook was run on America and we are still very much in the middle of it.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2021 10:45 AM (bDqIh)

261 You don't think dems would use nukes?

What happened to you?

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 28, 2021 10:46 AM (6vR6V)

262 Just checked for nurse ratched in yesterday's threads. n80Ta wasn't her in one of the late threads. May not mean a thing, but do we maybe have someone screwing around and trying for an upset.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at September 28, 2021 10:46 AM (2NHgQ)

263 >>I think he is talking about the Rent-a-Center model.

That's a scam.

Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2021 10:46 AM (O6tY8)

264 Also my first geography lesson to find out where he'd have gone if he *had* turned left at Albuquerque.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at September 28, 2021 10:39 AM

There is a whole Doctor Who episode based on this idea.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 10:46 AM (csEWM)

265 Case or box? There's a huge difference.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2021 10:33 AM (OCTRt)

Case. 1k bright, brass freedom seeds.
I is happy.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at September 28, 2021 10:46 AM (V6f9+)

266 Do blacks that voted for Biden get fired too or will they be exempt like they will be for the passport?
Posted by: Ripley at September 28, 2021 10:45 AM (MxEKc)

They won't be fired. They have the ultimate get out of jail free card. Besided, according to the dem media, no blacks voted for Trump.

Posted by: megthered at September 28, 2021 10:47 AM (vvWGB)

267 re: the Australian police

After seeing scenes of horrific abuse they are perpetrating, I can only conclude they have been directed to apply as much pain as possible in an effort to stop the protests.

They are probably even being given cash bonuses if video evidence of their brutality appears

Posted by: kallisto at September 28, 2021 10:47 AM (DJFLF)

268 >>Also my first geography lesson to find out where he'd have gone if he *had* turned left at Albuquerque.

You could do worse than an education via LooneyTunes.

Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2021 10:47 AM (O6tY8)

269 262 Just checked for nurse ratched in yesterday's threads. n80Ta wasn't her in one of the late threads. May not mean a thing, but do we maybe have someone screwing around and trying for an upset.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at September 28, 2021 10:46 AM (2NHgQ)

Maybe, or it could have been someone socking us and their comments got banned and deleted. I need to go back through and check for Wyatt. He is a good dude, and while it is not impossible for me to offend someone, I usually intend it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 10:47 AM (csEWM)

270 208. Going against what he was told by his superiors Washington used the live smallpox vaccine and inoculated his troops. Today he would have been jailed and we would be speaking Brit english.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at September 28, 2021 10:48 AM (2NHgQ)

271 I think he is talking about the Rent-a-Center model.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 10:45 AM (csEWM)
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"Rent-to-own" schemes are not layaway - they're high-interest consumer credit with repossession riders. They're even worse than credit cards because if you dodge the payments, you don't even keep the stuff and the effective interest rates are usually even worse.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 10:48 AM (Jsjd7)

272 but they infect other states like a horde of locusts.
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Voter files are showing the most conservative votes in Texas and Arizona are former California residents.

In Florida it is Venezuelans

Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 28, 2021 10:48 AM (oIkGM)

273 " ... My sense is that some catastrophe resulting from the catastrophic incompetence of the Left will scramble all predictions.

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 28, 2021 10:30 AM (BNHnQ) "

seems likely ... and with the possibility of a last saving throw, maybe even the optimal outcome.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at September 28, 2021 10:48 AM (jDHSU)

274 Sen. Sullivan Finally a Senator who can forcefully ask direct questions, and refusing to put up with BS.

Posted by: Blackstone at September 28, 2021 10:48 AM (9byfS)

275 After seeing scenes of horrific abuse they are perpetrating, I can only conclude they have been directed to apply as much pain as possible in an effort to stop the protests.

Yep - and remember the normal voices in the FNM decrying police abuse are demanding MORE of this.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 28, 2021 10:48 AM (DpkTQ)

276 263 >>I think he is talking about the Rent-a-Center model.

That's a scam.
Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2021 10:46 AM (O6tY

Which is his point. Lot of Rent-A-Centers still around, especially in the poorer parts of cities.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 10:48 AM (csEWM)

277 As recently as the 1980's Southerners were depicted as Hillbillies on television eating vittles, blowing on a brown jug and riding in a rocking chair on the back of a pickup truck or running from the law in their Confederate flag sports sedan shooting arrows tipped with dynamite.

Is that wrong? Because I gotta tell you, if somebody had told me that that was wrong...

Posted by: Oddbob at September 28, 2021 10:48 AM (nfrXX)

278 Wyatt is a thick skinned guy. I don't think any of us could chase him off with our comments.

Also. He has great taste in music.

Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2021 10:48 AM (O6tY8)

279 >>So the Turtle is caving on the shut down.. He's wiling to "work" with the Dems now..... POS

Wow. What a shock and dissappoimtment.
Not.

The tweet pic of him bragging about his third jab holding his vaxx card like a participation medal was a nice touch, though.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 28, 2021 10:48 AM (bDqIh)

280 208 Interesting trivia I only recently learned: we fought a revolutionary war in the midst of a smallpox pandemic.
Posted by: Ordinary American at September 28, 2021 10:38 AM (BNHnQ)

And the Spanish flu was ongoing during WW1.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at September 28, 2021 10:49 AM (z5Vrg)

281 What we understand as "leftism" in America is really just immature barbarism. It is not an ideology or a team so much as it's the worst qualities of uncivilized man made manifest.

You can't excise that from the people, because it is inherent to humanity. It can only be countered by civilization, by civic virtue, by religion. Humanity has spent millennia figuring this out. You aren't going to split the country in half down the middle and magically cure human nature.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 28, 2021 10:49 AM (/EuRN)

282 From 2012 a computer animation of how a nice chunk of La Palma splitting off could inundate coastlines from Brazil to Iceland.

https://youtu.be/Zb4T8a1K5tw

In this scenario about 9 to 10 hours after the slide the US coastline could see a 10m to 30m tsunami hit.

Severity could be more or could be less depending upon how much of the island slides off and which side the event happens.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2021 10:49 AM (yfCHd)

283 The left wants a national divorce, but they want the house, the cars, the kids, and the dogs. They want the right to take the credit card debt and all of the loan payments and arrested for child and spousal abuse.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 28, 2021 10:49 AM (mdgQ7)

284 I need to go back through and check for Wyatt. He is a good dude, and while it is not impossible for me to offend someone, I usually intend it.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Word - I am totally confused.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 28, 2021 10:49 AM (mD/uy)

285 "Salon... time to start firing unvaccinated people: Trump fans are overdue for a lesson in consequences"

Crazy/Orwellian thing is, Trump is very proud of His Vaccine success. (and for whatever reason, Trump was happy to have Fauci lead the way on the plandemic response, to the very end ... wtf?)

Posted by: illiniwek at September 28, 2021 10:49 AM (Cus5s)

286 I'm actually wondering how the inevitable coming space colonies will impact governance on Earth. It may not be twenty years before we have a thousand or more people living in space in a given facility. Will these outposts be ruled by the UN? by individual nation states? By corporations? If the UN is given the chance, they will establish a model for one world government and they will never stop pushing to assume control over the whole shootin' match.

Can we keep the history of Enlightenment Republics alive long enough for them to influence 2050 and beyond? The American Republic is a shambling zombie, but given the chance, the Left will rewrite or flat out erase history so that the generations to come believe that the Socialist model is the most desirable.

I'm not sure our job is to save our country or even ourselves. The bureaucracy that actually is our government is more cancer than healthy tissue at this point. In a weird way, we have to preserve the past realizing we may have no future, so our great grandkids can start from the Enlightenment and not the Dark Ages.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at September 28, 2021 10:49 AM (u1eUk)

287 Let's look at Texas as a model.

San Antonio, Austin, Dallas, and Houston will have to be walled off with strict, limited, emigration allwed from those areas in order to have a same Texas.

So now you have 4 city-states, surronded by the Nation of Texas, with no real access to food, water, fuel or electricity.

No way that ends peacefully. And that will be repeated in every state in the former union.
Posted by: tbodie at September 28, 2021 10:11 AM (IkffI)

The solution might be to borrow a page from the middle ages and renaissance - City Charters and/or Free Cities. Beyond a certain size, you get spun off into your own special district that may behave like a territory or be granted independence, as the state government sees fit.

Posted by: Cato | If it was truly hopeless, would they need all this propaganda? at September 28, 2021 10:50 AM (Msrhc)

288 Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 28, 2021 10:49 AM (mdgQ7)

Well said

Posted by: It's me donna at September 28, 2021 10:50 AM (8nD9v)

289 ARIZONA AUDIT: Voters 'With No Record' Of Their Existence In Database Far Outnumber Biden's Lead

Posted by: SMOD at September 28, 2021 10:50 AM (RHGPo)

290 289 ARIZONA AUDIT: Voters 'With No Record' Of Their Existence In Database Far Outnumber Biden's Lead
Posted by: SMOD at September 28, 2021 10:50 AM (RHGPo)

========

"There is legal precedence that this solidifies Biden's lead."
-Twitter

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 28, 2021 10:50 AM (LvTSG)

291 After seeing scenes of horrific abuse they are perpetrating, I can only conclude they have been directed to apply as much pain as possible in an effort to stop the protests.

Yep - and remember the normal voices in the FNM decrying police abuse are demanding MORE of this.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 28, 2021 10:48 AM (DpkTQ)

Yep. Saw one clip where the cop was kneeling on a woman's back. I thought, "Man, I'm so old I remember when that was wrong!" Fortunately, the woman wasn't high on fentanyl and Covid positive, so she survived.

Posted by: Wally at September 28, 2021 10:50 AM (FJYfm)

292 Interesting trivia I only recently learned: we fought a revolutionary war in the midst of a smallpox pandemic.
Posted by: Ordinary American at September 28, 2021 10:38 AM (BNHnQ)

And the Spanish flu was ongoing during WW1.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at September 28, 2021 10:49 AM

Got to hand it to us, we started a pandemic and the Spanish got blamed for it.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 28, 2021 10:51 AM (JUOKG)

293 Word - I am totally confused.
Posted by: Tonypete at September 28, 2021 10:49 AM (mD/uy)

I think neverenoughcaffiene is probably right, but better to do the due diligence.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 10:51 AM (csEWM)

294 Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at September 28, 2021 10:49 AM (u1eUk)

If our mode of governance survives - even in a debauched form - until the age of space colonization, we win, and we win forever.

No matter what the totalitarians might do on Earth, we'll always be able to go somewhere else.

Posted by: Cato | If it was truly hopeless, would they need all this propaganda? at September 28, 2021 10:51 AM (Msrhc)

295 280 208 Interesting trivia I only recently learned: we fought a revolutionary war in the midst of a smallpox pandemic.
Posted by: Ordinary American at September 28, 2021 10:38 AM (BNHnQ)

And the Spanish flu was ongoing during WW1.

....

And the HIV pandemic during the Invasion of Grenada.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 28, 2021 10:52 AM (5We2S)

296 Trump always talks about the process but has yet to make a statement about the product which is and always was suspect.
-1 for Drumpf

Posted by: micky at September 28, 2021 10:52 AM (3byMq)

297 An ex-U.S. Army Ranger from Connecticut faces extradition to the Netherlands where authorities say he was part of a plot by former and active duty American soldiers who hired themselves out as a professional hit squad and murdered a German businessman. .. worked for a Swiss businessman trying to collect a commercial debt worth millions of dollars. Efficient Dutch crack the case using the European cellphone network to track killers crossing and recrossing European borders.

Posted by: SMOD at September 28, 2021 10:52 AM (RHGPo)

298
the people that could move, have moved. The rest won't/can't move because of job or family excuses.

You can't even get people to quit facebook because they say it's the only way they can communicate with friends and family.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2021 10:52 AM (63Dwl)

299 my son and i have been watching a series on amazon called ww2 in hd.
it is excellent. and all the talk i see on here and out in the twatterverse about another civil war or some kind of "divorce" does two things to me:
1. angers me.
2. saddens me.
all those young men who died giving their lives for us today. if we let the soy mafia win, what was it for?
what were any of the wars fought over the years for?
and i don't mean afghanistan or iraq, as i understand perfectly well those were meaningless.
my overarching point is that this country is worth saving and fighting for. and if you all think for one minute there will be a peaceful divorce or we'll carve ourselves up into semi states, think again.
foreign adversaries will not stand by and let that happen and neither will the libs.
this is for all of the marbles, people. so we make our stand here and now. as reagan said, there is no where else to go.
i've given my adult life to the service of our great country. there are millions of americans out there who want to keep the dream alive. you aren't alone.
i can guarantee you most of this civil war talk is straight up psyops against us. don't fall for it.

Posted by: Jack Burton, who says no at September 28, 2021 10:52 AM (p6Axi)

300 Oh, good. Nothing from Wyatt at all in any of the late afternoon or evening threads. Unlikely the cobs would have banned Wyatt if he was the offended party. Looks like someone is socking nurse.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 10:53 AM (csEWM)

301 Presently the USD is the least unhealthy currency in the sick ward of currencies.
Put another way, in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

Posted by: casual observer 0928 at September 28, 2021 10:53 AM (aAP3z)

302 I see Milley is lying his fat ass off....

Posted by: It's me donna at September 28, 2021 10:53 AM (8nD9v)

303 Northern Ireland during The Troubles...

Progs live in and go to Prog areas.....Normies live in and go to Normie areas.

Workplace is neutral but segregated. At night, tit for tat reprisal raids, bombings and rape across party lines.

Should be fun!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 28, 2021 10:53 AM (/1l9x)

304 More US doughboys died of the Spanish Flu on US bases than died on the Continent during WWI

Posted by: SMOD at September 28, 2021 10:54 AM (RHGPo)

305 Presently the USD is the least unhealthy currency in the sick ward of currencies.
Put another way, in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.
Posted by: casual observer 0928 at September 28, 2021 10:53 AM (aAP3z)
++++
"The cleanest dirty shirt"
"The hooker with the clap when all the other hookers have AIDS"
etc

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 10:54 AM (Jsjd7)

306 301 Presently the USD is the least unhealthy currency in the sick ward of currencies.
Put another way, in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.
Posted by: casual observer 0928 at September 28, 2021 10:53 AM (aAP3z)

GO USA!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 10:54 AM (csEWM)

307 He has great taste in music.

Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2021 10:48 AM (O6tY

How would you know?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 28, 2021 10:54 AM (Q9lwr)

308 "The cleanest dirty shirt"
"The hooker with the clap when all the other hookers have AIDS"
etc
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 10:54 AM (Jsjd7)

....

Tallest midget.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 28, 2021 10:54 AM (5We2S)

309 Mmmm, coffee.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 10:55 AM (csEWM)

310 Milley's comment that Esper then later Miller knew and okayed talking with the chinks seems glaringly false.

Posted by: micky at September 28, 2021 10:55 AM (3byMq)

311 National divorce is not, however, a war-avoidance mechanism.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 10:44 AM (Jsjd7)

Ah. Under these conditions, I could see it. A split, then a fight, then some sort of peace.

Posted by: Dr. Washington Nearsider, #FJB. If you get it, you get it. at September 28, 2021 10:55 AM (cvNl1)

312 "The cleanest dirty shirt"
"The hooker with the clap when all the other hookers have AIDS"
etc
Posted by: Joe Mannix

Tallest midget.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger

Most honest, moral politician.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 28, 2021 10:55 AM (mD/uy)

313 The good old days, when there were three Popes at once, and the each excommunicated the others. So what happens if you're excommunicated by 2 Popes?

Guy#1--"Your guy's the anti-Pope"
Guy#2--"No, yours is!"
Guy#3--"You're both wrong, both your guys are anti-Popes"
Guy1&2[both in unison]--"Shut up, heretic!"

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 10:55 AM (ynpvh)

314 >>How would you know?

Listen Yoko Lover...

Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2021 10:55 AM (O6tY8)

315 Coming in late, but re: separation or divorce of country.
All the Blue States have at least 30-35% red state type people in them.
Are they just to be abandoned? Won't work in the long term.
That's why there's got to be war, and one winner. Ugly to say, but I really see no long term option.
Probably be a red/blue split, then endless war and skirmishes.

Posted by: From that time at September 28, 2021 10:56 AM (4780s)

316 Space colonies and governance in science fiction.

Moon is a Harsh Mistress Heinlein.
The Known Space series of books by Niven.
Mobile Suit Gundam Yoshiyuki Tomino
Rosinante trilogy by Gilliland

To name a few.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2021 10:56 AM (yfCHd)

317 Listen Yoko Lover...
Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2021 10:55 AM (O6tY

That's MisHum.

Oh wait, was that a generic insult?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 10:56 AM (csEWM)

318 the best approach now is to turn your red state into a fortress, elect psychotically conservative people who want commies dead as much as you can, accept no rinos , squishes or open primaries.

Posted by: it doesnt matter what my name is at September 28, 2021 10:22 AM

There are no Red states and Blue states. There are Red and Blue areas and neighborhoods and cities. That's it. Check out Texas. Austin is one of the most left-wing cities in the nation. The Left has been working to flip Texas Blue for years. And they are making inroads. Last 6 Presidential elections % for Republican candidate: 59%, 61%, 55%, 57%, 52%, 52%. Think it can't happen, just look at Illinois. Illinois was a Red state for 2 decades from '68 to '88. Now everyone knows it as a Blue shithole.

You think Florida is safely a Red state? Florida has been flipping back and forth for decades. '80-'92 R, '96 D, '00-'04 R, '08-'12 D, '16-'20 R. True that they have voted for a R Governor since 1998. But R does not mean much anymore. Does DeSantis represent the GOP? No. He's more Trumpian than he is Republican. What happens when he is gone and a GOPe candidate replaces him?

Posted by: Tall Cool Gentleman in a Black Suit at September 28, 2021 10:57 AM (Do5/p)

319 Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at September 28, 2021 10:46 AM (2NHgQ)

That's what I was wondering.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 28, 2021 10:57 AM (1lKRm)

320 302 I see Milley is lying his fat ass off....
Posted by: It's me donna at September 28, 2021 10:53 AM (8nD9v)

Why wouldn't he? Jen Psaki and CNN do it every day.

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 10:57 AM (ONvIw)

321 Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 10:55 AM (ynpvh)

I think we're going to have a situation whereby the faithful laity excommunicates Bergoglio

Posted by: kallisto at September 28, 2021 10:57 AM (DJFLF)

322 Meanwhile, the Lt. Col who called out the Pentagon for its failures in Afghanistan?

Is in the Brig. They ordered him to give up his freedom of speech, even when speaking in a non official capacity, and Jailed him when he refused.

And now you know WHY the rest of the military didn't say shit to actually support him.

Posted by: Beavis, Democrat at September 28, 2021 10:57 AM (oHd/0)

323 304 More US doughboys died of the Spanish Flu on US bases than died on the Continent during WWI

Posted by: SMOD at September 28, 2021 10:54 AM (RHGPo)

True. And it was only called the Spanish Flu because the warring parties did not release the fact that they both were being ravaged by it, but Spain was not at war, so their death numbers were available. In reality, probably another China virus.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 10:57 AM (ynpvh)

324 sock off

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 28, 2021 10:57 AM (oHd/0)

325 255 "They've found their wedge/tool:

@Salon
It's time to start firing unvaccinated people: Trump fans are overdue for a lesson in consequences"

Do blacks that voted for Biden get fired too or will they be exempt like they will be for the passport?

Posted by: Ripley at September 28, 2021 10:45 AM (MxEKc)

Predicted PissHockey statement: "Social Justice demands we take into consideration the many decades pf disparate impacts and non-equity situations of several segments of the nation's population, in making health-related decisions about a number of considerations, including COVID."

Word salad containing not containing a denial that blacks will be exempted. If pressed, PissHockey will say the situation is under review by CDC, with a review end date still under review.

Posted by: Gref at September 28, 2021 10:58 AM (AMIL/)

326 Imagine they just decided one day they are tired of constantly having to censor and ban dissidents and it would be easier to just turn off the internet. Boom, we're back to early 1990s USA with everyone's only source of information is the mainstream media. Which the American Left fully controls the messaging.

And yet, in the 80s/early 90s the Left was a lot less entrenched. Because Twitter lets the idiots in charge directly program their NPC army. Turning off the Internet would be a loss for the Left.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 28, 2021 10:58 AM (ZGrMX)

327 I think we're going to have a situation whereby the faithful laity excommunicates Bergoglio
Posted by: kallisto

A case can be made that many of us already have.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 28, 2021 10:58 AM (mD/uy)

328 I think most Americans are too lazy to fight and will gladly accept anything as long as they get their likes on Farcebook and a new phone every year.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 28, 2021 10:03 AM (UuD2k)

I can't pretend to know how things will play out. I do know there's usually one person who looks into the future and gets it right. Prior to the last civil war, William Tecumseh Sherman, in his letter to a Southern friend, predicted how it would go almost to a T.

I'm no Sherman, but I do know the Left, fearful of losing its tenuous hold on power, can only make it worse for us as we approach the midterms and the presidential election after that. Watch as people start losing livelihoods as their bank accounts are shut down, as we start getting the Australian treatment. People with little to lose are more likely to go all in.

Posted by: troyriser at September 28, 2021 10:58 AM (pYLCQ)

329 Yesterday was the deadline for NY state health care workers to be vaxxed or be fired. 84% are vaxxed. So is the state really going to fire 16% of health care workers?

Stay tuned....

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:58 AM (GQ5VU)

330 when sarah silverman begins to open her claptrap about civil war or a national divorce, you better pay attention.
she has the intellectual bandwidth of a goldfish and her one job in life is to read scripted lines.
tell me in what world does any kind of geopolitical strategy with second and third order effects emanate from a hollywood starlet of today? that would be none.

someone told her that or planted that in her mind so she can start pushing it out.
its part of a narrative. it is part of an information operations campaign.
do not fall for it.

Posted by: Jack Burton, who says no at September 28, 2021 10:58 AM (p6Axi)

331 And yet, in the 80s/early 90s the Left was a lot less entrenched. Because Twitter lets the idiots in charge directly program their NPC army. Turning off the Internet would be a loss for the Left.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 28, 2021 10:58 AM (ZGrMX)

I'd agree with this. People would actually have to talk to their neighbors.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 10:59 AM (csEWM)

332 Oh, good. Nothing from Wyatt at all in any of the late afternoon or evening threads. Unlikely the cobs would have banned Wyatt if he was the offended party.

Looks like someone is socking nurse.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

It'd be hilarious if it WAS Wyatt. LOL.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2021 10:59 AM (OCTRt)

333 From 2012 a computer animation of how a nice chunk of La Palma splitting off could inundate coastlines from Brazil to Iceland.

Iberia gets 40-60m, but Nazare amplifies that because an underwater canyon channels the water into a funnel. Gnarly.

Also, the Caribbean islands are largely underwater.

Posted by: Nazare surfer dude at September 28, 2021 10:59 AM (ZsR3z)

334 A case can be made that many of us already have.
Posted by: Tonypete at September 28, 2021 10:58 AM (mD/uy)

*regretful* Seconded.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 10:59 AM (csEWM)

335 when sarah silverman begins to open her claptrap . . .
Posted by: Jack Burton

Oooo - that brought to mind a disturbing image.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 28, 2021 11:00 AM (mD/uy)

336 AZ Audit Could Not Find the Identity of 86,391 Voters - They Don't Appear to Exist
Biden "won" by 10,457 votes, if you include these votes

Posted by: SMOD at September 28, 2021 11:00 AM (RHGPo)

337 In the immortal words of Leslie Fish:

I don't want to live in Lebanon.
I don't want to live in Beirut.
I don't want to live in a free fire zone.
Or underneath a government boot.
I just want to live in a world of peace,
but their peace makes freedom a lie!
I don't want to live in a free fire zone,
let's give space a try.

Posted by: Cato | If it was truly hopeless, would they need all this propaganda? at September 28, 2021 11:00 AM (Msrhc)

338 Let's say we have a national divorce (I still believe we get a Reign of Terror), which are the best red states to move to?

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 11:00 AM (ONvIw)

339 127 We may be at 1859/1860 levels of discontent but history will not repeat. We are too far away from the founding of the US for people to realize what they gained and could lose after our split with Britain. We have become too soft, too sedentary and do not want to lose our comfortable lives.
I would guess that the people who post here and people in the general population with the same beliefs are few and far between. There are too many who also depend on the benevolence of the US government for the livelihood. They will not give that up. The fighting spirit in this country is gone replaced with comfort.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at September 28, 2021 10:25 AM (2NHgQ)

Sure too many don't want to lose their comfortable lives.. however, history tells us eventually it's not their choice to give it up, it is taken.

Posted by: Inogame at September 28, 2021 11:00 AM (53oGX)

340
Oooo - that brought to mind a disturbing image.
Posted by: Tonypete at September 28, 2021 11:00 AM (mD/uy)

....involving ping pong balls.

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at September 28, 2021 11:00 AM (Zz0t1)

341 321 Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 10:55 AM (ynpvh)

I think we're going to have a situation whereby the faithful laity excommunicates Bergoglio

Posted by: kallisto at September 28, 2021 10:57 AM (DJFLF)

Not a Catholic, not my fight, but communists have no place running a church or a country.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:01 AM (ynpvh)

342 It'd be hilarious if it WAS Wyatt. LOL.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2021 10:59 AM (OCTRt)

Hah! Just trolling for compliments?

'Wyatt is the bravest, kindest, warmest man I have ever talked to in my life, I would never insult him!'

No homo.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 11:01 AM (csEWM)

343 AZ Audit Could Not Find the Identity of 86,391 Voters - They Don't Appear to Exist
Biden "won" by 10,457 votes, if you include these votes
Posted by: SMOD at September 28, 2021 11:00 AM (RHGPo)

It wasn't even that close, my guess....the fraud was THAT BIG. Everywhere......

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at September 28, 2021 11:01 AM (Zz0t1)

344 >>> 328
.....
People with little to lose are more likely to go all in.
Posted by: troyriser at September 28, 2021 10:58 AM (pYLCQ)

You'll own nothing and you'll be happier!

Posted by: Great Resetters at September 28, 2021 11:02 AM (ACi07)

345 It's happening already, conservatives leaving blue states.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at September 28, 2021 10:43 AM (RMGKK)

Inspector's sister is trying to get out of California. She's in her late 60s and her husband is 80 and they've both needed cancer treatments fairly recently so trying to get all that comes with that changed over to a free state is sort of overwhelming for her. Inspector is encouraging her to come to Texas, but I'm afraid she'll put it off too long.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 28, 2021 11:02 AM (1lKRm)

346
Not a Catholic, not my fight, but communists have no place running a church or a country.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:01 AM (ynpvh)

I agree, but my faith gets communist preachers all the time.

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 11:02 AM (ONvIw)

347 "They've found their wedge/tool:

@Salon
It's time to start firing unvaccinated people: Trump fans are overdue for a lesson in consequences"

Do blacks that voted for Biden get fired too or will they be exempt like they will be for the passport?

Posted by: Ripley at September 28, 2021 10:45 AM (MxEKc)

Bye bye Post Office?

Posted by: LASue at September 28, 2021 11:02 AM (Ed8Zd)

348 You'll own nothing and you'll be happier!
Posted by: Great Resetters at September 28, 2021 11:02 AM (ACi07)

Well, I have this bullet, Bill.

You can have it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 11:02 AM (csEWM)

349
If our mode of governance survives - even in a debauched form - until the age of space colonization, we win, and we win forever.

Posted by: Cato | If it was truly hopeless, would they need all this propaganda? at September 28, 2021 10:51 AM (Msrhc)

we win, and we win forever. I like this plan. Let's do that.

I would also add to the more broad discussion, that visibility into the future is a funny thing. In 1979, nobody was betting on the end of the cold war ten years later. One thing we have in our favor is that our opponents ideology really is bankrupt.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at September 28, 2021 11:02 AM (u1eUk)

350 And the USGS is saying chances of a tsunami from La Palma are very remote. Mount St Helens would like to have a talk with the USGS.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2021 11:03 AM (yfCHd)

351 So the Turtle is caving on the shut down.. He's wiling to "work" with the Dems now..... POS
Posted by: It's me donna
You either believe Government is the solution, or Government is the problem. And if you work IN Government...well, guess which side you're on?
Posted by: Wally

McConnell is working for himself and his own ends. He is not and hasn't (for a long time) been working "for us". And frankly, that is true of most politicians.
It's a charade, it's theater, it's the way things have been working for a very long time.
Before anyone here on this here blog thread was born.
At least.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....lost in a lost world at September 28, 2021 11:03 AM (vcOmj)

352 I don't think divorce is an option. The left is not going to let us leave. They are more vicious than us and less moral (As demonstrated by the fact that they are willing to kill and plunder and riot and we are not.)

-------------------

Ah, but have you noticed how there were no riots in Florida or Texas or other red states?

Posted by: President Select Decaf at September 28, 2021 11:03 AM (RMGKK)

353 333 From 2012 a computer animation of how a nice chunk of La Palma splitting off could inundate coastlines from Brazil to Iceland.

Iberia gets 40-60m, but Nazare amplifies that because an underwater canyon channels the water into a funnel. Gnarly.

Also, the Caribbean islands are largely underwater.

Posted by: Nazare surfer dude at September 28, 2021 10:59 AM (ZsR3z)

They say that was debunked in 2017. Well, we get to (maybe) see if the science is right, one way or the other.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:03 AM (ynpvh)

354 McConnell is working for himself and his own ends. He is not and hasn't (for a long time) been working "for us".
Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....lost in a lost world at September 28, 2021 11:03 AM (vcOmj)

Elaine's family needs more billions, or Mitch will starve

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 11:04 AM (ONvIw)

355 >>> 350 And the USGS is saying chances of a tsunami from La Palma are very remote. Mount St Helens would like to have a talk with the USGS.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2021 11:03 AM (yfCHd)

Is it wrong to pray for this to happen?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 28, 2021 11:05 AM (ACi07)

356 Elaine's family needs more billions, or Mitch will starve
Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 11:04 AM (ONvIw)

Hell, she might let him touch her calf some day.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 11:05 AM (csEWM)

357 DOW down 525 at noon EDT

Posted by: SMOD at September 28, 2021 11:05 AM (RHGPo)

358 A case can be made that many of us already have.
Posted by: Tonypete at September 28, 2021 10:58 AM (mD/uy)

I just realized that Bergoglio's name rhymes with "Orgoglio" - the Italian word for "pride".

Which goeth before a fall

Posted by: kallisto at September 28, 2021 11:05 AM (DJFLF)

359
I just realized that Bergoglio's name rhymes with "Orgoglio" - the Italian word for "pride".

Which goeth before a fall
Posted by: kallisto at September 28, 2021 11:05 AM (DJFLF)

One of the Seven Deadlies.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 11:05 AM (csEWM)

360 You think Florida is safely a Red state? Florida has been flipping back and forth for decades
-------
Florida is now a red state. It will remain so for a generation at least.

Democrats can't overcome a built in 500K vote deficit. There aren't enough white votes in Hillsborough and Pinellas counties to flip liberal to overcome the new Cuban and Venezuelan blocs.

2018 started a major realignment in Florida.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 28, 2021 11:05 AM (oIkGM)

361 350 And the USGS is saying chances of a tsunami from La Palma are very remote. Mount St Helens would like to have a talk with the USGS.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2021 11:03 AM (yfCHd

I don't see this either. Most sites seem to suggest it's stabilizing

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 11:06 AM (ONvIw)

362 Of course, let's include a well-timed vacation a couple hundred miles inland for all the East coast Horde...

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 28, 2021 11:06 AM (ACi07)

363 346
Not a Catholic, not my fight, but communists have no place running a church or a country.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:01 AM (ynpvh)

I agree, but my faith gets communist preachers all the time.

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 11:02 AM (ONvIw)

Catholics have no monopoly on communists; see the National Council of Churches' actions starting in the 1950's.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:06 AM (ynpvh)

364 Let's say we have a national divorce (I still believe we get a Reign of Terror), which are the best red states to move to?
Posted by: CN

Gulf Coast for shipping/receiving purposes.
Weather, food, etc.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2021 11:06 AM (OCTRt)

365 Miss me yet?

Posted by: Jeb! at September 28, 2021 11:06 AM (a3Q+t)

366 "Yesterday was the deadline for NY state health care workers to be vaxxed or be fired. 84% are vaxxed. So is the state really going to fire 16% of health care workers?"

there is a lawsuit to stop that, I think (from some union?) .. But the Biden Junta makes a lot of grandiose threats, to get their way. e.g. "I will make those border patrol pay". They get a lot of help from BigCorp ... demanding the Jab, or various censorship/punishment.

But BigGov workers, actually fired without benefits ... I kinda doubt it. The unvaxxed GovUnion workers are just recalcitrant Dems that need a good "whipping".

Posted by: illiniwek at September 28, 2021 11:06 AM (Cus5s)

367 Will Rihanna (?) remake the classic 'Think' from Blues Brothers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vet6AHmq3_s

Hard to imagine that anyone has comparable pipes to the great Aretha, but we'll see.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 28, 2021 11:06 AM (MIKMs)

368 I see Milley is lying his fat ass off....
Posted by: It's me donna

Well, that's a lot of lying, that is.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....lost in a lost world at September 28, 2021 11:06 AM (vcOmj)

369 Mount St Helens would like to have a talk with the USGS.

What am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: Yellowstone at September 28, 2021 11:07 AM (zgbsp)

370 What is really crazy is all the people flocking to La Palma to see the volcano eruptions.

Talk about moths to a flame. Only easy way off is via air and the ash being thrown up is already impacting air travel.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2021 11:07 AM (yfCHd)

371 Now about to be willowed remember my thought
With the massive vote fraud shown in Arizona how could that be just a one off? 5 or 6 states if not a dozen have to be in the same situation.

Posted by: Skip's Phone at September 28, 2021 11:07 AM (so5/u)

372 Catholics have no monopoly on communists; see the National Council of Churches' actions starting in the 1950's.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:06 AM (ynpvh)

Of course they don't. I know a lot of far left communist rabbis.

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 11:07 AM (ONvIw)

373 @Salon
It's time to start firing unvaccinated people: Trump fans are overdue for a lesson in consequences"

They are in full fantasy mode now.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 28, 2021 11:07 AM (mR6Gs)

374 365 Miss me yet?
Posted by: Jeb! at September 28, 2021 11:06 AM (a3Q+t)

How can we miss you if you won't stop locking your keys in the car?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 11:07 AM (csEWM)

375 One thing we have in our favor is that our opponents ideology really is bankrupt.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at September 28, 2021 11:02 AM (u1eUk)

The other thing in our favor is an old Tolkien observation: Oft evil will doth evil mar.

The forces of evil are not unified, and are prone to vicious backstabbing, especially once it becomes time to decide who gets to sit in the big chair. They are often their own worst enemies.

Want a recent example? Chinese state media, presumably with Xi's blessing, just called George Soros "the son of the devil", a global economic terrorist, and "our number one-enemy". Get some popcorn.

Posted by: Cato | If it was truly hopeless, would they need all this propaganda? at September 28, 2021 11:07 AM (Msrhc)

376 351 So the Turtle is caving on the shut down.. He's wiling to "work" with the Dems now..... POS
Posted by: It's me donna
You either believe Government is the solution, or Government is the problem. And if you work IN Government...well, guess which side you're on?
Posted by: Wally

McConnell is working for himself and his own ends. He is not and hasn't (for a long time) been working "for us". And frankly, that is true of most politicians.
It's a charade, it's theater, it's the way things have been working for a very long time.
Before anyone here on this here blog thread was born.
At least.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....lost in a lost world at September 28, 2021 11:03 AM (vcOmj)

Bukake theatre, we're in the front row in the splash zone.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:07 AM (ynpvh)

377
NBA Star Bradley Beal -- No I'm not Vaccinated... Brilliantly Played...

and

Another NBA player speaks out -- 'I am uncomfortable taking the Vaccine'...
Orlando Magic forward Jonathan Isaac - and he also does not kneel for the blm bs

keep it up

Posted by: artisanal ette at September 28, 2021 11:07 AM (2o90I)

378 'Wyatt is the bravest, kindest, warmest man I have ever talked to in my life, I would never insult him!'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 11:01 AM (csEWM)

I've met him, and when you meet him you will change your tune!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 28, 2021 11:08 AM (Q9lwr)

379 Marine Lt. Col in the Brig for going against the chain of command. Gen Miley goes against the chain of command to collude with a foreign power and it is justified. There is no longer a chain of command. Civilian control of the military is finished.

Posted by: Ron at September 28, 2021 11:08 AM (pOrFv)

380 Gulf Coast for shipping/receiving purposes.
Weather, food, etc.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 28, 2021 11:06 AM (OCTRt)

I sort of thought this would be the case. Oddly, my mother of all people, bought land in Mississippi. LOL

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 11:08 AM (ONvIw)

381 370 What is really crazy is all the people flocking to La Palma to see the volcano eruptions.

Talk about moths to a flame. Only easy way off is via air and the ash being thrown up is already impacting air travel.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2021 11:07 AM (yfCHd)

Do pyroclastic flows only happen with sudden, explosive eruptions?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 11:08 AM (csEWM)

382 Before anyone here on this here blog thread was born.
At least.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....lost in a lost world at September 28, 2021 11:03 AM

What's Vic, chopped liver?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 28, 2021 11:08 AM (a3Q+t)

383 Ah, but have you noticed how there were no riots in Florida or Texas or other red states?
Posted by: President Select Decaf at September 28, 2021 11:03 AM (RMGKK)
this is another reason why this idea of a civil war 2 is preposterous.
who are the belligerents? the reason there was a confederacy was because an entire state seceded and took those who agreed with it.
what issue will states secede on? what legislature has the balls to do that? i'd wager not even texas does.
so as someone pointed out, the only logical belligerents are particular areas.
fine. chicago, solidly blue, wages war on...the rest of red illinois? no.
and what is the triggering mechanism for this event that is uncoordinated and unorganized event?
if there is one, we haven't seen it yet.
so americans are either completely apathetic to any of these stimuli or the event that will get a call to action has not occurred....yet.
the former cannot be true as evidenced by red states and blogs like this. therefore...the event hasn't happened yet.

Posted by: Jack Burton, who says no at September 28, 2021 11:08 AM (p6Axi)

384 355 >>> 350 And the USGS is saying chances of a tsunami from La Palma are very remote. Mount St Helens would like to have a talk with the USGS.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2021 11:03 AM (yfCHd)

Is it wrong to pray for this to happen?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 28, 2021 11:05 AM (ACi07)

Washington DC wiped off the map...but so will Florida. Also, the folks running the country will declare an emergency and lock us down even more.
"May you live in interesting times"...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:09 AM (ynpvh)

385 I've met him, and when you meet him you will change your tune!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 28, 2021 11:08 AM (Q9lwr)

Yeah, but that is coming from you, CBD...*

*j/k

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 11:09 AM (csEWM)

386 Take the vaccine. The graphene oxide will soothe you. So soothing...everything will be ok...

Posted by: The Deep State at September 28, 2021 11:09 AM (CTJwJ)

387 White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki claimed during Monday's press briefing that it would be "unfair and absurd" for companies to raise costs on consumers in response to the Biden administration raising the corporate tax rate.

And that sums up the economic prowess of the Biden Administration

Posted by: SMOD at September 28, 2021 11:09 AM (RHGPo)

388 383 so americans are either completely apathetic to any of these stimuli or the event that will get a call to action has not occurred....yet.
the former cannot be true as evidenced by red states and blogs like this. therefore...the event hasn't happened yet.

Posted by: Jack Burton, who says no at September 28, 2021 11:08 AM (p6Axi)

=======

Alternate theory:

Federalism is fairly strong still in America (far from where it should be, but it does still exist), and red states aren't, you know, locked down at all.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 28, 2021 11:09 AM (LvTSG)

389 There wont be a breakup. A breakup would require there to be strong differences between regional elites.

There aren't any -- the elites are united.
==
Agree.
Its gonna be more like an ethnic cleansing, only the "class" isn't ethnic, so much as the class of people that wants to be free.

Posted by: simplemind at September 28, 2021 11:09 AM (mM9De)

390 La Palma would be a good place to plant a terrorist nuke.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 28, 2021 11:10 AM (o2MD2)

391 Nasdaq down 371 worse than Dow down 500.
Bad day all around.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 28, 2021 11:10 AM (Y+l9t)

392 369 Mount St Helens would like to have a talk with the USGS.

What am I, chopped liver?
Posted by: Yellowstone at September 28, 2021 11:07 AM (zgbsp)

All talk, no play the last 600K years...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:10 AM (ynpvh)

393 -
@Salon
It's time to start firing unvaccinated people: Trump fans are overdue for a lesson in consequences" -
-
You don't want to make us angry.

Posted by: Disgruntled Postal Workers at September 28, 2021 11:10 AM (8rX4S)

394 Alternate theory:
Federalism is fairly strong still in America (far from where it should be, but it does still exist), and red states aren't, you know, locked down at all.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 28, 2021 11:09 AM (LvTSG)

i buy that theory too.

Posted by: Jack Burton, who says no at September 28, 2021 11:11 AM (p6Axi)

395 I'm no Sherman, but I do know the Left, fearful of losing its tenuous hold on power, can only make it worse for us as we approach the midterms and the presidential election after that. Watch as people start losing livelihoods as their bank accounts are shut down, as we start getting the Australian treatment. People with little to lose are more likely to go all in.
Posted by: troyriser at September 28, 2021 10:58 AM (pYLCQ)

How are bank accounts going to be shut down? They don't know who is jabbed and who isn't. I heard a commercial for the jab this morning, it's free and no ID required. They don't know unless you tell them.

Posted by: megthered at September 28, 2021 11:11 AM (vvWGB)

396 Miss me yet?
Posted by: Jeb!

My first reaction is to shout NO! But compared to what we have now... *sigh* FML.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 28, 2021 11:11 AM (nfrXX)

397 @Salon
It's time to start firing unvaccinated people: Trump fans are overdue for a lesson in consequences"

The vaccines don't work, create super-spreaders among the vaccinated and INCREASE your risks of several cancers.

Enjoy your doom, Salon writers.......

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at September 28, 2021 11:11 AM (Zz0t1)

398 372 Catholics have no monopoly on communists; see the National Council of Churches' actions starting in the 1950's.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:06 AM (ynpvh)

Of course they don't. I know a lot of far left communist rabbis.

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 11:07 AM (ONvIw)

And the irony is: What happens to Christians when communists take over, eh?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:11 AM (ynpvh)

399 All talk, no play the last 600K years...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:10 AM (ynpvh)

Yeah, but Yellowstone is kind of like William Monney in Unforgiven. You keep poking him... you keep poking him... then he gets to drinking.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 11:11 AM (csEWM)

400 Miss me yet?
Posted by: Jeb!

why would anyone?

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at September 28, 2021 11:11 AM (Zz0t1)

401 Nasdaq down 371 worse than Dow down 500.
Bad day all around.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)

This is no social crisis
Just another tricky day,
For you...

Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....lost in a lost world at September 28, 2021 11:12 AM (vcOmj)

402 394 Alternate theory:
Federalism is fairly strong still in America (far from where it should be, but it does still exist), and red states aren't, you know, locked down at all.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 28, 2021 11:09 AM (LvTSG)

i buy that theory too.
Posted by: Jack Burton, who says no at September 28, 2021 11:11 AM (p6Axi)

=========

I think a lot of the most doomy and gloomy on the right are those who live in places like Massachusetts and California.

It must really suck.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 28, 2021 11:12 AM (LvTSG)

403 You don't want to make us angry.
Posted by: Disgruntled Postal Workers at September 28, 2021 11:10 AM (8rX4S)
++++
You aren't who Salon is talking about. The protected classes - government employees, minorities, etc. - will be exempt as always. This will hit *only* non-protected classes, and it will be enforced with barbaric intensity by companies that know they are hurting themselves badly.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 11:12 AM (Jsjd7)

404 White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki claimed during Monday's press briefing that
---
she really wasn't fellating a donkey on stage.

Posted by: all the dignity and gravitas of a donkey show performer at September 28, 2021 11:12 AM (TrJg2)

405
And the irony is: What happens to Christians when communists take over, eh?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:11 AM (ynpvh)

I have a hard time thinking that Francis, who caved to Beijing, really cares.

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 11:12 AM (ONvIw)

406 396 Miss me yet?
Posted by: Jeb!

My first reaction is to shout NO! But compared to what we have now... *sigh* FML.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 28, 2021 11:11 AM (nfrXX)

Understand the reaction, but Jeb! would just be the slow version of this. This is better in the long run compared to that.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 11:12 AM (csEWM)

407 And the USGS is saying chances of a tsunami from La Palma are very remote.

It's ridiculous they would ever talk about it. It's a landslide from an island, not the movement of an entire continental shelf.

Posted by: t-bird at September 28, 2021 11:12 AM (1fg6a)

408 please clap!

otay, one clap coming up... DLR

clap, clap, clap-clap-clap
**** *** *****

Posted by: micky at September 28, 2021 11:12 AM (3byMq)

409 If our mode of governance survives - even in a debauched form - until the age of space colonization, we win, and we win forever.

No matter what the totalitarians might do on Earth, we'll always be able to go somewhere else.

Posted by: Cato | If it was truly hopeless, would they need all this propaganda?

"Brilliant! The space proles will work and work to supply our industries overseas and we guarantee them nothing! We win, they lose forev-"

(giant space rock impacts in San Francisco Bay)

"--oh, shit."

Posted by: Brother Tim has nothing much to say, lately at September 28, 2021 11:13 AM (OUMaO)

410 How are bank accounts going to be shut down? They don't know who is jabbed and who isn't. I heard a commercial for the jab this morning, it's free and no ID required. They don't know unless you tell them.
Posted by: megthered at September 28, 2021 11:11 AM (vvWGB)
++++
Why do you think bank account freezes will have anything to do with COVID?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 11:13 AM (Jsjd7)

411 Well La Palma is a Stromboli type volcano so usually explosions, lava bombs, and ash. But lava flows can also occur.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2021 11:13 AM (yfCHd)

412 Marine Lt. Col in the Brig for going against the chain of command. Gen Miley goes against the chain of command to collude with a foreign power and it is justified. There is no longer a chain of command. Civilian control of the military is finished.

LCOL Scheller knew what he was doing and accepted the consequences. He will be discharged, most likely OTH or dishonorably for conduct unbecoming, and will soon after begin his career in politics.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 28, 2021 11:13 AM (CcOog)

413 381 370 What is really crazy is all the people flocking to La Palma to see the volcano eruptions.

Talk about moths to a flame. Only easy way off is via air and the ash being thrown up is already impacting air travel.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2021 11:07 AM (yfCHd)

Do pyroclastic flows only happen with sudden, explosive eruptions?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 11:08 AM (csEWM)

They can travel at hundreds of miles per hour. No outrunning them if you're too close.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:13 AM (ynpvh)

414 I mean seriously, how do you "almost get covid"?
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 28, 2021 10:10 AM (JUOKG)

Same way one "almost" gets pregnant?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 28, 2021 11:13 AM (UYyrv)

415 Posted by: kotter at September 28, 2021 10:29 AM (saHCz)

I can't wait for the states to start ignoring unconstitutional and extra-jurisdictional court rulings...
And mandates, and executive orders and all the other end runs around letting people vote for the rules in their own area.

By the way, welcome back.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 28, 2021 11:14 AM (YohY1)

416 >>> 384 355 >>> 350 And the USGS is saying chances of a tsunami from La Palma are very remote. Mount St Helens would like to have a talk with the USGS.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2021 11:03 AM (yfCHd)

Is it wrong to pray for this to happen?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 28, 2021 11:05 AM (ACi07)

Washington DC wiped off the map...but so will Florida. Also, the folks running the country will declare an emergency and lock us down even more.
"May you live in interesting times"...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:09 AM (ynpvh)

Yeah, it's amusing to joke about, but there really is no Magic Reset Button.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 28, 2021 11:14 AM (ACi07)

417 It's ridiculous they would ever talk about it. It's a landslide from an island, not the movement of an entire continental shelf.

Get in a boat and park it next to a calving glacier.

Posted by: pep at September 28, 2021 11:14 AM (ZsR3z)

418 They don't know unless you tell them.
Posted by: megthered at September 28, 2021 11:11 AM (vvWGB)
++++

They have your name on the CDC card, it's on my husband's anyway. You could say "John Doe", but if you're into the vax that defeats your purpose.

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 11:14 AM (ONvIw)

419 How dare you!!?! -- Gen Greta Milley

Posted by: micky at September 28, 2021 11:14 AM (3byMq)

420 "Who knows?"

"Weiss die teufel." German expression

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at September 28, 2021 11:15 AM (xopIz)

421 What's Vic, chopped liver?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 28, 2021 11:08 AM (a3Q+t)

Vic's far from the oldest Moron here.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at September 28, 2021 11:15 AM (y7DUB)

422 There are no Red states and Blue states. There are Red and Blue areas and neighborhoods and cities. That's it. Check out Texas. Austin is one of the most left-wing cities in the nation. The Left has been working to flip Texas Blue for years. And they are making inroads. Last 6 Presidential elections % for Republican candidate: 59%, 61%, 55%, 57%, 52%, 52%. Think it can't happen, just look at Illinois. Illinois was a Red state for 2 decades from '68 to '88. Now everyone knows it as a Blue shithole.

IL is a poor example, they've been fixing elections for 30 years and in that time have redistricted in ways that entrench one party rule. I actually believe Trump won IL.
End of the day, food stops going to the northeast corner and blue starves.

Posted by: Inogame at September 28, 2021 11:15 AM (53oGX)

423 keep it up
Posted by: artisanal ette at September 28, 2021 11:07 AM (2o90I)

I think Nikki Minaj opened the floodgate to young AA vaxx hesitancy speechifying

Posted by: kallisto at September 28, 2021 11:15 AM (DJFLF)

424 This busty brunette with generous sideboob doesn't know what form the coming collapse will take:
https://is.gd/4HGTgd

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 11:15 AM (Jsjd7)

425 395 I'm no Sherman, but I do know the Left, fearful of losing its tenuous hold on power, can only make it worse for us as we approach the midterms and the presidential election after that. Watch as people start losing livelihoods as their bank accounts are shut down, as we start getting the Australian treatment. People with little to lose are more likely to go all in.
Posted by: troyriser at September 28, 2021 10:58 AM (pYLCQ)

How are bank accounts going to be shut down? They don't know who is jabbed and who isn't. I heard a commercial for the jab this morning, it's free and no ID required. They don't know unless you tell them.

Posted by: megthered at September 28, 2021 11:11 AM (vvWGB)

Must submit proof of vaccination within next 30 days to keep accounts open...That's one way.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:15 AM (ynpvh)

426 Trump fans are overdue for a lesson in consequences"
===
This from the people that voted for Biden and sat there gaping while he abandoned hundreds of citizens and billions of equipt in Afghanistan.

The lack of self awareness singularity has formed and is now sucking all the suck into the suck vortex of suckiness.

Posted by: all the dignity and gravitas of a donkey show performer at September 28, 2021 11:15 AM (Qra4A)

427 Damn...I'm sorry I missed this thread.

Babysitting the grands.
Ugh.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 28, 2021 11:16 AM (axyOa)

428 I think a lot of the most doomy and gloomy on the right are those who live in places like Massachusetts and California.
It must really suck.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 28, 2021 11:12 AM (LvTSG)

another accurate statement. what i have come to learn living in a blue state that is controlled by a single population area (that would be seattle) is that those districts on the west side of the state are lost.
but...they are lost as long as no conservatives get into the fray at the local level.
politics is local. you start making small changes there, you can start moving up the food chain in terms of elected officials. it can happen, it works. it just takes time and people willing to step up.
and that, frankly, as conservatives is our achillies heel. our time is used by working and raising familes etc. and we know that politics is dirty and efforts will be sabotaged.
so we must come to terms with those and be willing to push forward. or we slide into a tech-tyranny.

Posted by: Jack Burton, who says no at September 28, 2021 11:16 AM (p6Axi)

429 End of the day, food stops going to the northeast corner and blue starves.
Posted by: Inogame at September 28, 2021 11:15 AM (53oGX)

Then the blues march on the kulaks and we get Stalin's war on the red states.

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 11:16 AM (ONvIw)

430 Yeah, it's amusing to joke about, but there really is no Magic Reset Button.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 28, 2021 11:14 AM (ACi07)

Nature has about a half-dozen ways to fuck us.

We really do need space colonization. It's only a matter of time. Staying on Earth in the long term is a one-way road to extinction.

Posted by: Cato | If it was truly hopeless, would they need all this propaganda? at September 28, 2021 11:16 AM (Msrhc)

431 Austin, TX sucks donk balls.

Long gone are sweet days of music on 6th and pissing out back in the alley.

Forward!

Posted by: micky at September 28, 2021 11:16 AM (3byMq)

432 9 to 10 hours to get out of town.

And it depends upon how long it takes to wake Joey up.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2021 11:17 AM (yfCHd)

433 Simple solution.

General Strike.

Starve the blue states into submission.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at September 28, 2021 11:17 AM (xopIz)

434 427 Damn...I'm sorry I missed this thread.

Babysitting the grands.
Ugh.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 28, 2021 11:16 AM (axyOa)

I first read this as 'babysitting the garands...'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 11:17 AM (csEWM)

435 402 I think a lot of the most doomy and gloomy on the right are those who live in places like Massachusetts and California.

It must really suck.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 28, 2021 11:12 AM (LvTSG)

Yes, it does suck here in the Peoples Demokratic Republik of Kalifornia.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:17 AM (ynpvh)

436 Must submit proof of vaccination within next 30 days to keep accounts open...That's one way.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:15 AM (ynpvh)
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No way. That would cause a literal bank run. They won't risk it. If they do something like this, you will find about it at 9:00 AM after they pass it at midnight.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 11:17 AM (Jsjd7)

437 Nasdaq down 371 worse than Dow down 500.
Bad day all around.

Why does the dip always happen just before my 401K contribution gets processed and then it pops back up just in time for me to buy at the new peak?

Posted by: Oddbob at September 28, 2021 11:17 AM (nfrXX)

438

Starve the blue states into submission.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at September 28, 2021 11:17 AM (xopIz)

They'll have the army on this at once, it it's tried.

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 11:18 AM (ONvIw)

439 Gen. Milley why haven't you resigned?

Hamina-hamina...

Posted by: micky at September 28, 2021 11:18 AM (3byMq)

440 the people that could move, have moved. The rest won't/can't move because of job or family excuses. That is fine for now, but the window is closing. How much do you want to sacrifice for that job? If your family won't move, you will have to make some hard decisions when the time comes.
Posted by: megthered at September 28, 2021 10:37 AM (vvWGB)

I always wondered why so many Jews stayed in Poland, Germany, and Austria despite the obvious and growing restrictive laws and general hate directed at them. I know many said "family" and "businesses" but it always seemed crazy to me, knowing what was to come.

Posted by: LASue at September 28, 2021 11:18 AM (Ed8Zd)

441 Yes, it does suck here in the Peoples Demokratic Republik of Kalifornia.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:17 AM (ynpvh)

Yes indeed

Posted by: It's me donna at September 28, 2021 11:18 AM (8nD9v)

442 405
And the irony is: What happens to Christians when communists take over, eh?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:11 AM (ynpvh)

I have a hard time thinking that Francis, who caved to Beijing, really cares.

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 11:12 AM (ONvIw)

For communists, it's a feature.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:18 AM (ynpvh)

443 Austin, TX sucks donk balls.

Long gone are sweet days of music on 6th and pissing out back in the alley.

Forward!
Posted by: micky at September 28, 2021 11:16 AM (3byMq)

Austin on Saturday seems to be the only college football game that DIDN'T have a "fuck Joe Biden" chant break out.

That should tell you about Austin.

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at September 28, 2021 11:18 AM (Zz0t1)

444 We really do need space colonization. It's only a matter of time. Staying on Earth in the long term is a one-way road to extinction.
Posted by: Cato | If it was truly hopeless, would they need all this propaganda? at September 28, 2021 11:16 AM (Msrhc)

This. The Golden Path (from Herbert's Dune) is an idea not without merit- just insane in execution. Also when Commander Sinclair in Babylon 5 said 'We lose Marilyn Monroe.'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 11:18 AM (csEWM)

445 The lack of self awareness singularity has formed and is now sucking all the suck into the suck vortex of suckiness.
Posted by: all the dignity and gravitas of a donkey show performer

Well, that sucks.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....lost in a lost world at September 28, 2021 11:18 AM (vcOmj)

446 407 And the USGS is saying chances of a tsunami from La Palma are very remote.

It's ridiculous they would ever talk about it. It's a landslide from an island, not the movement of an entire continental shelf.

Posted by: t-bird at September 28, 2021 11:12 AM (1fg6a)

Yet can cause a huge Tsunami, and not just a local one like in Alaska in 1958
https://www.wired.com/2009/07/dayintech-0709/

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:19 AM (ynpvh)

447 Francis is the bad Pope that St. Francis of Assisi prophesied about.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at September 28, 2021 11:19 AM (xopIz)

448 Simple solution.

General Strike.

Starve the blue states into submission.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at September 28, 2021 11:17 AM (xopIz)

A lot of people might get a reality check when they realize that food doesn't magically come from the grocery store.

Then again, that might be when they start trying to conquer the countryside.

Posted by: Cato | If it was truly hopeless, would they need all this propaganda? at September 28, 2021 11:20 AM (Msrhc)

449 408 please clap!

otay, one clap coming up... DLR

clap, clap, clap-clap-clap
**** *** *****

Posted by: micky at September 28, 2021 11:12 AM (3byMq)

That's alot of clap. I hope everbody has Penecillin.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:20 AM (ynpvh)

450 Must submit proof of vaccination within next 30 days to keep accounts open...That's one way.

So I pull out a few million in investment monies out of all my personal, business, retirement and investment accounts. In cash.

Now millions of others pull out their money, in cash, at once.

Right.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 28, 2021 11:20 AM (+LCoQ)

451 Austin, TX sucks donk balls.

Long gone are sweet days of music on 6th and pissing out back in the alley.

Yeah, now you have to go down to the homeless encampment under the freeway overpass for that.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 28, 2021 11:20 AM (nfrXX)

452 Oh dear. My company has an all-company "town hall" to talk about "values."

That's gonna be a rough hour.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 11:20 AM (Jsjd7)

453 >>> 430 Yeah, it's amusing to joke about, but there really is no Magic Reset Button.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 28, 2021 11:14 AM (ACi07)

Nature has about a half-dozen ways to fuck us.

We really do need space colonization. It's only a matter of time. Staying on Earth in the long term is a one-way road to extinction.
Posted by: Cato | If it was truly hopeless, would they need all this propaganda? at September 28, 2021 11:16 AM (Msrhc)

*nods* AtC is right when she says Outside is Trying to Kill Us. Having all of our "eggs in one basket" isn't the best idea.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 28, 2021 11:20 AM (ACi07)

454 Geographic separation of USA into red and blue countries can't work unless there are ideological tests for entry. Any red region will be quickly resettled by leftists unless they can be barred for their beliefs.
Posted by: At No Time Was John Weaver In The Physical Presence Of gp at September 28, 2021 10:17 AM (qpX6U)

And why would there not be such ideological tests? If the country becomes divided by ideology, would not such tests become the norm?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 28, 2021 11:20 AM (UYyrv)

455 Austin, TX sucks donk balls.

Long gone are sweet days of music on 6th and pissing out back in the alley.

Forward!
Posted by: micky at September 28, 2021 11:16 AM (3byMq)

Now they are pissing in the middle of 6th and pooping on San Jac

Posted by: LASue at September 28, 2021 11:20 AM (Ed8Zd)

456 So I want to see if I can tap the Hordemind.

I have a paper to do about gun control in America. The paper is supposed to be a logical argument for or against (guess which side I'm on) using "valid" sources.

Problem is, "valid" is assumed to be "academic" which I assume to be "leftist" and therefore (to me) invalid. So I'm looking for some sources that would fit the definition of "reliable and valid" that would also qualify as "academic." Are there any scholars out there who can point me in the right direction?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 28, 2021 11:21 AM (CcOog)

457 There will be no space colonies. Earth is the "Goldilocks" planet. The distance to another is literally astronomical.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at September 28, 2021 11:21 AM (xopIz)

458 Josh throwing a paper match in a windstorm. Huzzah.

Posted by: micky at September 28, 2021 11:21 AM (3byMq)

459 That would cause a literal bank run.
===
Which is why we will act to limit withdraws transfers etc.

Posted by: CongreSS at September 28, 2021 11:21 AM (4uGts)

460 452 Oh dear. My company has an all-company "town hall" to talk about "values."

That's gonna be a rough hour.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 11:20 AM (Jsjd7)

==========

"We will crush our competition with superior products and services. We are here to make money, and that money will go to you as our employees in terms of increased pay and benefits. Now, go fuck up our competition with great products and services!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 28, 2021 11:21 AM (LvTSG)

461 Why do you think bank account freezes will have anything to do with COVID?
=====

Seeing a lot of ads (I know, I know, my obsession with ads is odd) for 'Banks' by the name of 'Dave' or something similar.

Are they FDIC insured? FDIC will demand vaccines to honor contract insurance?

Outrageous.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 28, 2021 11:21 AM (MIKMs)

462 414 I mean seriously, how do you "almost get covid"?
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 28, 2021 10:10 AM (JUOKG)

Same way one "almost" gets pregnant?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 28, 2021 11:13 AM (UYyrv)

So is it along the lines of "That penis missed me by that much..."

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:21 AM (ynpvh)

463 >>> 452 Oh dear. My company has an all-company "town hall" to talk about "values."

That's gonna be a rough hour.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 11:20 AM (Jsjd7)

Hmm, I bet something similar will be scheduled at my workplace soon. *pushes a drink through the USB*

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 28, 2021 11:21 AM (ACi07)

464 LCOL Scheller knew what he was doing and accepted the consequences. He will be discharged, most likely OTH or dishonorably for conduct unbecoming, and will soon after begin his career in politics.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 28, 2021 11:13 AM (CcOog)

gge very astute statement. the ltc knows the hazards of his chose profession. he was ordered to not spout off anymore and he bet against the house- in this case, general officers in his chain of command. bad move.
he deliberately disobeyed this order and now they will throw the book at him.
bad tactical error on his part- he should have shut his mouth and gotten out as quickly as possible to pursue the book deal and political jobs. now he'll get court martialed and be made an example of.
part of me thinks he was acting as a glory hound.

Posted by: Jack Burton, who says no at September 28, 2021 11:22 AM (p6Axi)

465 I have a paper to do about gun control in America. The paper is supposed to be a logical argument for or against (guess which side I'm on) using "valid" sources.

The Federalist papers are not "valid" ?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 28, 2021 11:22 AM (+LCoQ)

466 Problem is, "valid" is assumed to be "academic" which I assume to be "leftist" and therefore (to me) invalid. So I'm looking for some sources that would fit the definition of "reliable and valid" that would also qualify as "academic." Are there any scholars out there who can point me in the right direction?
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 28, 2021 11:21 AM (CcOog)
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Ignore the gun control premise and go directly to underlying sources: the Constitution and philosophy. Gun control is not a practical matter, it's a philosophical and moral matter related to natural rights. These are enshrined in our Constitution - the proximal primary source - and informed by bedrock philosophy. Don't make a practical argument, make a moral argument and then you don't have to use a single source written after about 1800.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 11:22 AM (Jsjd7)

467 So I pull out a few million in investment monies out of all my personal, business, retirement and investment accounts. In cash.

Now millions of others pull out their money, in cash, at once.

Right.
Posted by: Reuben Hick

I pulled all my 401K money out of investments in early January, and it is sitting in cash right now (Money market account).
I was expecting a major market reset earlier this year, but ....it is coming. A 10 or 20% drop, which is a "buy" signal.
There is TOO MUCH money slopping around for the market to experience a 1929 - style crash. The situation is bad now, but for very different reasons.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....lost in a lost world at September 28, 2021 11:22 AM (vcOmj)

468 423 keep it up
Posted by: artisanal ette at September 28, 2021 11:07 AM (2o90I)

I think Nikki Minaj opened the floodgate to young AA vaxx hesitancy speechifying

Posted by: kallisto at September 28, 2021 11:15 AM (DJFLF)

LOL, WAP came to mind.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:22 AM (ynpvh)

469 I mean seriously, how do you "almost get covid"?
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 28, 2021 10:10 AM (JUOKG)

I think I've already had it back in 2019, but...that being said, I've been around 3 people who've tested positive shortly after me being round them for lengthy periods of time.

I'm still here.......

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at September 28, 2021 11:22 AM (Zz0t1)

470 Bozo, will you relay greeting to Shibumi from me, please? She's an awesome 'ette!

Posted by: Emmie at September 28, 2021 11:23 AM (6RgRK)

471 The paper (and electronic) Federal Reserve Notes aren't going be worth shit.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at September 28, 2021 11:23 AM (xopIz)

472 We need space prisons. I'm staying, they can go.

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at September 28, 2021 11:23 AM (oWBc3)

473 Well a national divorce is an interesting idea, and if it happens I guess I will be happy to inherit a property in MS that was purchased by my mother (89yo) for no apparent reason.

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 11:23 AM (ONvIw)

474 Are there any scholars out there who can point me in the right direction?
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 28, 2021 11:21 AM (CcOog)

You could build a good argument using historical sources for not against gun control per se, but rather for an armed populace. Use, Russia, Cambodia, Germany, Rome. History is riddled with examples. I would focus on 20th century sources if you wanted to go that route.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 11:23 AM (csEWM)

475 Babysitting the grands.
Ugh.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 28, 2021 11:16 AM (axyOa)

I first read this as 'babysitting the garands...'
Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 11:17 AM

One sucks their thumbs, and the other makes you suck your thumb.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 28, 2021 11:24 AM (a3Q+t)

476 Ace is awake.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 28, 2021 11:24 AM (kTF2Z)

477 nood

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 11:24 AM (ONvIw)

478 Problem is, "valid" is assumed to be "academic" which I assume to be "leftist" and therefore (to me) invalid. So I'm looking for some sources that would fit the definition of "reliable and valid" that would also qualify as "academic." Are there any scholars out there who can point me in the right direction?
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 28, 2021 11:21 AM (CcOog)

Start by rubbishing the AR-15 grabs. Use FBI numbers to show that more people die by fists and feet than all types of rifles.

Official numbers that don't serve the narrative (such as differences in crime in shall issue vs. may issue states) will also help.

Posted by: Cato | If it was truly hopeless, would they need all this propaganda? at September 28, 2021 11:24 AM (Msrhc)

479 >>>My sense is that some catastrophe resulting from the catastrophic incompetence of the Left will scramble all predictions.
Posted by: Ordinary American at September 28, 2021 10:30 AM (BNHnQ)

This is an excellent point. Some unexpected problem will up end the apple cart. A kind of historical event horizon will make predictions meaningless.

Posted by: Max Power at September 28, 2021 11:24 AM (QCc6B)

480 "part of me thinks he was acting as a glory hound.
Posted by: Jack Burton, who says no at September 28, 2021 11:22 AM (p6Axi)"

I will agree with that assessment, with the addition that he is hoping to generate some name recognition for the upcoming election cycle. I just wonder where that will be.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 28, 2021 11:24 AM (CcOog)

481 Problem is, "valid" is assumed to be "academic" which I assume to be "leftist" and therefore (to me) invalid. So I'm looking for some sources that would fit the definition of "reliable and valid" that would also qualify as "academic." Are there any scholars out there who can point me in the right direction?
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 28, 2021 11:21 AM (CcOog

1. doj/fbi crime stats.
2. state police stats
3. your local pd and interview the chief and other officers for insight on their stats, reporting mechanisms, and professional observations.
4. cdc- apparently they keep stats, but probably pulled from doj.

Posted by: Jack Burton, who says no at September 28, 2021 11:24 AM (p6Axi)

482 Austin, TX sucks donk balls.

Long gone are sweet days of music on 6th and pissing out back in the alley.

Forward!
Posted by: micky at September 28, 2021 11:16 AM (3byMq)

Old and Busted: Stumbling in front of Maggie Mae's stone drunk.
The New Hotness: Stumbling in front of Maggie Mae's with a 9mm slug in your chest.

Posted by: Roy at September 28, 2021 11:24 AM (Go1rj)

483 ace is up.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 11:24 AM (csEWM)

484 Austin on Saturday seems to be the only college football game that DIDN'T have a "fuck Joe Biden" chant break out.

That should tell you about Austin.
Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at September 28, 2021 11:18 AM (Zz0t1)

Not ideological- we were just exhausted from cheering the horns scoring 75 freakin' points!!!

Posted by: LASue at September 28, 2021 11:24 AM (Ed8Zd)

485 >Space colonies and governance in science fiction.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2021 10:56 AM (yfCHd)

The Powers of the Earth by T. Corcoran, the guy who created the Escape The City books.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at September 28, 2021 11:24 AM (cSs/W)

486 part of me thinks he was acting as a glory hound.
Posted by: Jack Burton, who says no at September 28, 2021 11:22 AM (p6Axi)

or maybe people are just sick and tired of seeing this nation be pulled up from its constitutional roots and decided to exercise his free speech rights as a free citizen.

Posted by: kallisto at September 28, 2021 11:25 AM (DJFLF)

487 hmm

Posted by: rd at September 28, 2021 11:25 AM (Z32m1)

488 Everyone knows that Nancy Pelosi and her husband have made some "conveniently" timed purchases of stocks like Microsoft, Nvidia and Tesla. At the least, the Pelosi family are far more active traders than the average U.S. household. At worst, it appears the family could be using the Speaker's access to non-public information to benefit personally.

Regardless of what the objective truth is, traders have seen enough to leave them convinced that Pelosi "has an in" when it comes to investing and, in turn, have dedicated their stock picking "due diligence" to examining what stocks the Pelosi household is buying at the time.

"Shouts out to Nancy Pelosi, the stock market's biggest whale," one user on Tik Tok said, according to a report by NPR.

Posted by: SMOD at September 28, 2021 11:26 AM (RHGPo)

489 456 So I want to see if I can tap the Hordemind.

I have a paper to do about gun control in America. The paper is supposed to be a logical argument for or against (guess which side I'm on) using "valid" sources.

Problem is, "valid" is assumed to be "academic" which I assume to be "leftist" and therefore (to me) invalid. So I'm looking for some sources that would fit the definition of "reliable and valid" that would also qualify as "academic." Are there any scholars out there who can point me in the right direction?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 28, 2021 11:21 AM (CcOog)

John Lott

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:26 AM (ynpvh)

490 I have a paper to do about gun control in America. ... Are there any scholars out there who can point me in the right direction?

John Lott. Clayton Cramer.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 28, 2021 11:26 AM (nfrXX)

491 That is broken.

Everything is Broken.

(title of an article from Tablet Mag. One of the best articles I've read in a while. Came out several months ago. A secular Lamentations)

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 28, 2021 11:26 AM (QFVV9)

492 >>> 440 the people that could move, have moved. The rest won't/can't move because of job or family excuses. That is fine for now, but the window is closing. How much do you want to sacrifice for that job? If your family won't move, you will have to make some hard decisions when the time comes.
Posted by: megthered at September 28, 2021 10:37 AM (vvWGB)

I always wondered why so many Jews stayed in Poland, Germany, and Austria despite the obvious and growing restrictive laws and general hate directed at them. I know many said "family" and "businesses" but it always seemed crazy to me, knowing what was to come.
Posted by: LASue at September 28, 2021 11:18 AM (Ed8Zd)

We have the benefit of 20-20 hindsight. No one had ever seen anything like that before.

I see a lot of people *now*, who *do* know this insanity is possible, making the same excuses for not doing anything, and it worries me.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 28, 2021 11:26 AM (ACi07)

493 These are not the comments you're looking for. One flight up...

Posted by: micky at September 28, 2021 11:26 AM (3byMq)

494 -
Problem is, "valid" is assumed to be "academic" which I assume to be "leftist" and therefore (to me) invalid. So I'm looking for some sources that would fit the definition of "reliable and valid" that would also qualify as "academic." Are there any scholars out there who can point me in the right direction?
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 28, 2021 11:21 AM (CcOog) -
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Only one I can think of off the top of my head is John Lott.

Posted by: irright at September 28, 2021 11:26 AM (8rX4S)

495 459 That would cause a literal bank run.
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Which is why we will act to limit withdraws transfers etc.

Posted by: CongreSS at September 28, 2021 11:21 AM (4uGts)

Many banks already limit daily withdrawals.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:26 AM (ynpvh)

496 We have the benefit of 20-20 hindsight. No one had ever seen anything like that before.

I see a lot of people *now*, who *do* know this insanity is possible, making the same excuses for not doing anything, and it worries me.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 28, 2021 11:26 AM (ACi07)

Great comment.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 28, 2021 11:27 AM (csEWM)

497 or maybe people are just sick and tired of seeing this nation be pulled up from its constitutional roots and decided to exercise his free speech rights as a free citizen.

Posted by: kallisto at September 28, 2021 11:25 AM (DJFLF)

yeah bro i hear ya. but if you've been in the military, or are in, you know it doesn't work that way.
without consequences.

Posted by: Jack Burton, who says no at September 28, 2021 11:27 AM (p6Axi)

498 '"Trump fans are overdue for a lesson in consequences"

Even just calling us Trump "fans" is telling. We VOTED for Trump. Are liberals Hillary "fans?" or Obama "fans?"
No, they are supporters and voters.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 28, 2021 11:27 AM (mR6Gs)

499 The separation of Czechoslovakia into the Czech Republic & the Slovak Republic is an alternative template.

Possibly unfeasible in today's climate, but Yugoslavia's fate isn't the only template available.

Posted by: aelfheld at September 28, 2021 11:27 AM (Zy9Yy)

500 "The Federalist papers are not "valid" ?
Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 28, 2021 11:22 AM (+LCoQ)"

They might be, but they are more opinion than researched fact. The Federalist Papers (and the Anti-Federalist papers, for that matter) were written to convince the public to support the ratification of the Constitution after all.

"Ignore the gun control premise and go directly to underlying sources: the Constitution and philosophy."

That would negate the purpose of the paper, which is to support the position with verifiable facts and reasoning, not feelings and opinion. That would be too easy.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 28, 2021 11:29 AM (CcOog)

501 yeah bro i hear ya. but if you've been in the military, or are in, you know it doesn't work that way.
without consequences.
Posted by: Jack Burton, who says no at September 28, 2021 11:27 AM (p6Axi)

I'm female. But to your point, the same is occurring in my church, where priests are speaking their minds about critical matters of faith - not politics - and the bishops are removing them from their ministry.

On the one hand, clerics take a vow of obedience to authority...but on the other...truth has to be spoken

Posted by: kallisto at September 28, 2021 11:29 AM (DJFLF)

502 498 '"Trump fans are overdue for a lesson in consequences"

Even just calling us Trump "fans" is telling. We VOTED for Trump. Are liberals Hillary "fans?" or Obama "fans?"
No, they are supporters and voters.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 28, 2021 11:27 AM (mR6Gs)

Leftists were saying women should have been throwing themselves to Bubba Clinton, giving him BJ's...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:29 AM (ynpvh)

503 Hillary "fans?" or Obama "fans?"
No, they are supporters and voters.
Posted by: JoeF. at September 28, 2021 11:27 AM (mR6Gs)

No, Obama fans are disciples

Posted by: CN at September 28, 2021 11:30 AM (ONvIw)

504 500 "The Federalist papers are not "valid" ?
Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 28, 2021 11:22 AM (+LCoQ)"

They might be, but they are more opinion than researched fact. The Federalist Papers (and the Anti-Federalist papers, for that matter) were written to convince the public to support the ratification of the Constitution after all.

"Ignore the gun control premise and go directly to underlying sources: the Constitution and philosophy."

That would negate the purpose of the paper, which is to support the position with verifiable facts and reasoning, not feelings and opinion. That would be too easy.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 28, 2021 11:29 AM (CcOog)

Also history: what happens when a populace is stripped of a means of self-defence? You get Nazi Germany, Cambodia, and a number of other atrocities.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 28, 2021 11:30 AM (ynpvh)

505 Clayton Cramer, that's one that I hadn't thought of. John Lott I knew, and I will absolutely use his works.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 28, 2021 11:30 AM (CcOog)

506 I'm female. But to your point, the same is occurring in my church, where priests are speaking their minds about critical matters of faith - not politics - and the bishops are removing them from their ministry.
On the one hand, clerics take a vow of obedience to authority...but on the other...truth has to be spoken
Posted by: kallisto at September 28, 2021 11:29 AM (DJFLF)

1. apologies for misgendering you. i denounce myself.
2. fair point on your anecdote. but the priests can still effect change, even after removed. they aren't sent to the brig.
3. you are right- truth must be spoken. but never give the enemy ammo to shoot you with.

Posted by: Jack Burton, who says no at September 28, 2021 11:32 AM (p6Axi)

507 Delayed gratification is one of the most important keys to being successful in life. Lay-away is the complete opposite of that. And that's why I say it is a destroyer of wealth/success. Whether or not interest is paid is irrelevant. It feeds into a never ending cycle of "want it now, get it now" that is corrosive for people.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 28, 2021 10:28 AM (GQ5VU)

Huh? Isn't lay-away the very image of delayed gratification? You pay a little each month, and receive the goods upon the final payment.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 28, 2021 11:33 AM (9vpZx)

508 That would negate the purpose of the paper, which is to support the position with verifiable facts and reasoning, not feelings and opinion. That would be too easy.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 28, 2021 11:29 AM (CcOog)
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Urban crime. The cities with the most restrictive gun control have the worst gun violence rates. Chicago, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Houston alone will prove the point. Compare to less-restrictive urban areas, and rural areas. What will emerge is no trend - there is no correlation between gun violence and gun law, and it is therefore an unacceptable limitation on natural rights in the absence of any probable benefit.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 11:35 AM (Jsjd7)

509 308 "The cleanest dirty shirt"
"The hooker with the clap when all the other hookers have AIDS"
etc
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 28, 2021 10:54 AM (Jsjd7)

....

Tallest midget.

you are a giant, i am a normal dwarf.

Posted by: The Nits at September 28, 2021 11:38 AM (oY6Yp)

510 Lay Away is not a negative thing. The opposite, in fact. It encourages a lot of the good aspects of consumerism.

Credit, however, can be a whole lot more negative.
Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2021 10:34 AM (O6tY

Kamala Harris owes her success to the lay-away plan.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 28, 2021 11:39 AM (9vpZx)

511 The cities will be a shit show two weeks after the truckers stike.
Posted by: Cicero, Kaboom! Kid

You misspelled days.

Posted by: Joe Mama at September 28, 2021 11:39 AM (WmGrA)

512 304 More US doughboys died of the Spanish Flu on US bases than died on the Continent during WWI

Posted by: SMOD at September 28, 2021 10:54 AM

Dr. Fraudci wrote some kind of research paper years ago speculating that more people died of secondary bacterial pneumonia (likely due to the mask mandates and bacteria buildup on the masks) during the Spanish Flu pandemic than died of actual Spanish Flu.

https://bit.ly/3m6bgeh

Predominant Role of Bacterial Pneumonia as a Cause of Death in Pandemic Influenza: Implications for Pandemic Influenza Preparedness

OCT 2008

Posted by: Tall Cool Gentleman in a Black Suit at September 28, 2021 11:40 AM (Do5/p)

513 They must all be made to flee the hemisphere or die, those are the only two options.
Posted by: JoshO

Which hemisphere?
Northern or Western?

Posted by: Joe Mama at September 28, 2021 11:41 AM (WmGrA)

514 I still like the notion of seceding in place. The red states just need to quit taking the Federal money.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

And collecting/sending FedTaxes?

Posted by: Joe Mama at September 28, 2021 11:44 AM (WmGrA)

515 Also history: what happens when a populace is stripped of a means of self-defence? You get Nazi Germany, Cambodia, and a number of other atrocities.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)

I'm right over here.

Posted by: Australia at September 28, 2021 11:45 AM (WmGrA)

516 On the one hand, clerics take a vow of obedience to authority... but on the other... truth has to be spoken

Posted by: kallisto at September 28, 2021 11:29 AM

And this is why every institution where this is in place - vows of obedience to authority - is easy to take over and undermine. Because you don't have to infiltrate the masses, you just need to hold the positions of authority.

And that is exactly what the Left has done for every institution in the country. Specifically to this conversation, they have done this in the US military. They did not need to fill the military ranks with communists and Marxists, they just needed to fill the authority positions with communists and Marxists and everyone else is obligated to fall in line.

Any system where you are not allowed to question authority is doomed to fail.

Posted by: Tall Cool Gentleman in a Black Suit at September 28, 2021 11:49 AM (Do5/p)

517 Are y'all buying ammo?

Posted by: Weasel at September 28, 2021 11:51 AM (MVjcR)

518 I'm with the "Irish Democracy" crowd. Just stop paying attention to the oppression, quietly. Like the 55 mph speed limit.

Hopefully some states will help insulate their citizens from penalties, but the first step is going to have to be weaning themselves off the Federal money that Washington will use to pull the states into line. Won't be easy.

Posted by: MW at September 28, 2021 11:51 AM (u33s0)

519 Any system where you are not allowed to question authority is doomed to fail.
Posted by: Tall Cool Gentleman in a Black Suit at September 28, 2021 11:49 AM (Do5/p)

In the case of the RCC, over the centuries, reformers have arisen through the ranks, guided by the Holy Spirit. St. Francis of Assisi is one famous example.

Usually what happens is their first few attempts at reform get knocked down by authority, and then miraculously, by the work of the Holy Spirit, the reformer's plan of action is followed.

Posted by: kallisto at September 28, 2021 11:53 AM (DJFLF)

520 There would be more than *two* countries.
Many don't want anything that either major party is selling.

Posted by: Crew Cut at September 28, 2021 11:59 AM (9Wx5u)

521 When push comes to shove, 90% of Americans will want to go the new red states country. Not the Blue states.
With no "rednecks" pushing back, many can imagine the impact on their lives.

Posted by: JoeNYC at September 28, 2021 12:04 PM (sX15q)

522
Prepare for war from the precinct level up to county level to initially seize red counties.

But, get the dialogue going on a peaceful divorce.

However, red counties in blue states WILL SECEDE from the blue state first, then join red states.

The Dems can have their urban messes and ports on the coasts from Boston to Baltimore and Seattle to SF and LA.

We keep 40 mile corridor thru San Diego for a Pacific port.

Anything short of this and we should go to war, win it, and FORCE these reasonable concessions

Posted by: Sapwolf at September 28, 2021 12:15 PM (TGWA4)

523 I was thinking western, they can take their commie bullshit back to the old world if they want to keep breathing.

Posted by: JoshO at September 28, 2021 01:26 PM (Z9wz+)

524 Nah.
Theres no fix for this.
There will be widespread violence/ actual civil war 2.0
In next 24 months.

Posted by: O ' bama s 3rd term at September 28, 2021 02:19 PM (Ql+EG)

525 How do the rural areas secede from the cities?

Austin may be in Texas but it might as well be in California.

Posted by: DavidD at September 28, 2021 08:27 PM (ZZyvS)

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