Senate Parliamentarian Rules That Amnesty Cannot Be Added Into Spending Bill Via Reconciliation

Reconciliation is the process the Democrats were hoping to use to jam in a mass amnesty for illegals without any Republican votes.

There's a special rule that you can "reconcile" somewhat differing Senate and House bills without having to send each bill individually back to their respective houses for repassage. Wrong: Commenters point out the bills do have to go back to their respective houses for final passage, but there is no filibuster allowed on that vote.

But the differences to be "reconciled" must concern spending and taxation.

The Democrats attempted to slip an amnesty bill through the 50-50 Senate by claiming that the incidental changes in spending which would be caused by amnestying 8 million or more illegals counted as "spending," and so could be jammed into the "infrastructure" bill via reconcilliation.

The Senate parliamentarian ruled that this is against the rules and cannot be done.

Democrats can't use their $3.5 trillion package bolstering social and climate programs for their plan to give millions of immigrants a chance to become citizens, the Senate's parliamentarian said, a crushing blow to what was the party's clearest pathway in years to attaining that long-sought goal.

The decision by Elizabeth MacDonough, the Senate’s nonpartisan interpreter of its often enigmatic rules, is a damaging and disheartening setback for President Joe Biden, congressional Democrats and their allies in the pro-immigration and progressive communities. Though they said they'd offer her fresh alternatives, MacDonough's stance badly wounds their hopes of unilaterally enacting -- over Republican opposition -- changes letting several categories of immigrants gain permanent residence and possibly citizenship.

The parliamentarian opinion that emerged Sunday is crucial because it means the immigration provisions could not be included in an immense $3.5 trillion measure that's been shielded from GOP filibusters. Left vulnerable to those bill-killing delays, which require 60 Senate votes to defuse, the immigration language has virtually no chance in the 50-50 Senate.

In a three-page memo to senators obtained by The Associated Press, MacDonough noted that under Senate rules, provisions are not allowed in such bills if their budget effect is "merely incidental" to their overall policy impact.

Citing sweeping changes that Democrats would make in immigrants' lives, MacDonough, a one-time immigration attorney, said the language "is by any standard a broad, new immigration policy."

The rejected provisions would open multiyear doorways to legal permanent residence -- and perhaps citizenship -- for young immigrants brought illegally to the country as children, often called "Dreamers." Also included would be immigrants with Temporary Protected Status who've fled countries stricken by natural disasters or extreme violence; essential workers and farm workers.

I still think the Democrats could vote 50 strong -- with Kumala's tie-breaker -- to overrule the Parliamentarian. I also think they could just fire her.

I don't think Manchin would vote with them on that.

Still, they tried to break the rules, again. To end American sovereignty.

Are you enjoying your Restored Norms?

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1 Hahaha

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 20, 2021 11:19 AM (kTF2Z)

2 Ill call the otters.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 20, 2021 11:20 AM (kTF2Z)

3 Duck biden

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 20, 2021 11:20 AM (IezWX)

4 Otters called.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 20, 2021 11:20 AM (kTF2Z)

5 Norm!!!!!

Posted by: ... at September 20, 2021 11:20 AM (h3zc3)

6 Norms? Rofl

Posted by: Bill vaxxy Gates at September 20, 2021 11:20 AM (ONvIw)

7 I really need to meet this Norm guy.

Posted by: 496 at September 20, 2021 11:21 AM (VJsqe)

8 It's a tax. - Duke Roberts

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 20, 2021 11:21 AM (rfkq2)

9 It's sea otter awareness week!!!!!

Celebrate sea otters and all their fabulousness.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 20, 2021 11:21 AM (IezWX)

10 How much of that 3.5t is EV subsidies?

Posted by: BignJames at September 20, 2021 11:21 AM (AwYPR)

11 We vote to replace our pols.

The Pols vote to replace their citizens.

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 20, 2021 11:21 AM (yrol0)

12 Banana Republic. It's not just a clothing store anymore.

Posted by: Vanilla Ice Cream at September 20, 2021 11:22 AM (l7udz)

13 Well if it's a tax, it can be done.
- Justice Roberts

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 11:22 AM (GQ5VU)

14 Buck Fiden.

Posted by: Archer at September 20, 2021 11:22 AM (gmo/4)

15 Hola

Posted by: Thanatopsis at beautiful Chancre del Diablo ranch at September 20, 2021 11:22 AM (J+qpY)

16 I'm sure Schumer and Co. could fire the parliamentarian and instill their own yes man, if needed.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at September 20, 2021 11:22 AM (TNyrE)

17 well, we lost the civil war what do you want? All those mail in ballots helped get them GA, MI, AZ, WI senate seats and we didn't care.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at September 20, 2021 11:22 AM (ZZK0E)

18 The Parliamentarian needs to avoid Ft. Marcy Park.

Posted by: pep at September 20, 2021 11:23 AM (ZsR3z)

19 It's sea otter awareness week!!!!!

Celebrate sea otters and all their fabulousness.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 20, 2021 11:21 AM (IezWX)

On PornHub.

Posted by: flounder at September 20, 2021 11:23 AM (KnJdm)

20 It's a dog eat dog world and I'm wearing milkbone underwear.

-Norm

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 20, 2021 11:23 AM (kTF2Z)

21 Reconciliation needs to go.

It has become an Unconstitutional Pathway.

Posted by: garrett at September 20, 2021 11:23 AM (AQURz)

22 The Parliamentarian did note, however, that the second "a" in Parliamentarian serves no purpose, and could be omitted.

Posted by: Wally at September 20, 2021 11:23 AM (FJYfm)

23 It's sea otter awareness week!!!!!

Celebrate sea otters and all their fabulousness.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 20, 2021 11:21 AM (IezWX)

Right after talk like a pirate day?

We should talk like a Pirate Sea Otter today!

Posted by: Archer at September 20, 2021 11:23 AM (gmo/4)

24 yeahp, gotta hand it to manchin and sinema, finally two DNC pols who aren't complete automatons.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at September 20, 2021 11:23 AM (ZZK0E)

25 The good news is that Republicans will be able to run on repealing it for 3 years and then not repeal it when they have finally painted themselves into a corner.

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 20, 2021 11:23 AM (B0mGw)

26 There is no such thing as sea otter awareness week.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 20, 2021 11:23 AM (UuD2k)

27 They'll just fire the parliamentarian.

Or vote to overrule her.

Posted by: Dr. Washington Nearsider, aka Kolchak the Nightstalker at September 20, 2021 11:24 AM (cvNl1)

28 10 How much of that 3.5t is EV subsidies?
Posted by: BignJames at September 20, 2021 11:21 AM (AwYPR)

$12.5k per car tax CREDIT. Not a stupid as cash for clunkers, but close second.

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 20, 2021 11:24 AM (yrol0)

29 'Tear the Roof of the Sucka', she continued.

Posted by: garrett at September 20, 2021 11:24 AM (AQURz)

30 In 2017 the GOP held all the power. They wouldn't defund PBS.

In 2021 Dems hold all the power and they going for broke. They may not get it, but they sure as fuck are trying.

Conclusion: The GOP is a worthless piece of shit.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 11:24 AM (GQ5VU)

31 There's a special rule that you can "reconcile" somewhat differing Senate and House bills without having to send each bill individually back to their respective houses for repassage.

Uh, I believe reconciliation is a mechanism which allows them to modify the current budget to address things which weren't foreseen when the budget was passed...14 years ago. That is why it can only be done once per Congress and only on matters related to the budget.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 20, 2021 11:24 AM (rfkq2)

32 "I don't think Manchin would vote with them on that."

Not *yet* anyway, they'll need to find the right bribe.

Posted by: Thrawn at September 20, 2021 11:24 AM (5aFbR)

33 also, what crazy number is this 8 million or whatever? Weren't the numbers of illegals in america 11M...you know 11M for 20 years straight with no change?

Posted by: Tim Riggins at September 20, 2021 11:24 AM (ZZK0E)

34 Name change.

Posted by: Dr. Washington Nearsider, Fuck Joe Biden at September 20, 2021 11:24 AM (cvNl1)

35 Celebrate sea otters and all their fabulousness.

They're teh ghey now?

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at September 20, 2021 11:24 AM (II3Gr)

36 I also think they could just fire her.

Just say the word, and she won't cause any more problems...

Posted by: Hillary! at September 20, 2021 11:25 AM (oY5A0)

37 Short sighted and evil, that is the Democrats.

They think they can continue to game the system to keep winning. Until their new pawns realize they are the new power...

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 20, 2021 11:25 AM (mQfG7)

38 yeahp, gotta hand it to manchin and sinema, finally two DNC pols who aren't complete automatons.

At the risk of being considered cynical, I'm sure Manchin is just trying to maintain his electoral viability. Sinema actually seems to care about the country, and how posterity will judge her.

Posted by: pep at September 20, 2021 11:25 AM (ZsR3z)

39 There's a special rule that you can "reconcile" somewhat differing Senate and House bills without having to send each bill individually back to their respective houses for repassage. (Which seems unconstitutional to me.)

++++

Pretty sure you are wrong on this. The reconciliation process does have certain features that smooth passage, like bypassing the filibusterer rules, but the final bill still has to pass both houses of Congress.

Posted by: 911 Guy at September 20, 2021 11:25 AM (hVqGz)

40 "Not *yet* anyway, they'll need to find the right bribe."

People keep saying that, and maybe it will happen eventually, but he has held out pretty tough with some insane pressure.

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 20, 2021 11:25 AM (B0mGw)

41 We should talk like a Pirate Sea Otter today!
Posted by: Archer at September 20, 2021 11:23 AM (gmo/4)

Arrr, be grabbin' yer ankles! Surprise!

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at September 20, 2021 11:25 AM (II3Gr)

42 and how posterity will judge her.
Posted by: pep at September 20, 2021 11:25 AM (ZsR3z)

I'll judge her posterity.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 20, 2021 11:25 AM (UuD2k)

43 sock off

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 20, 2021 11:26 AM (hVqGz)

44 They are only allowed to ignore the constitution once per year. Except Mitch didn't use his last year, so the dems are trying to carry it forward and use it twice this year.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 20, 2021 11:26 AM (mdgQ7)

45 "so the dems are trying to carry it forward and use it twice this year."

That seems fair.

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 20, 2021 11:27 AM (B0mGw)

46 The good news is that Republicans will be able to run on repealing it for 3 years and then not repeal it when they have finally painted themselves into a corner.
Posted by: squid_hunt at September 20, 2021 11:23 AM (B0mGw)



It's funny because it's true.

Posted by: AoSHQ Stylebook at September 20, 2021 11:27 AM (yQpMk)

47 Me timbers be shirverin' Surprise!

Posted by: Archer at September 20, 2021 11:27 AM (gmo/4)

48 Here's something Mr. Comity, Mitch (The Bitch) McConnell would typically set his hair on fire about. But not now.

I wonder what changed?*

*everyone knows what changed.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 20, 2021 11:27 AM (BFigT)

49 Went to gas up the bike this morning. At the gas pump, someone took a sharpy and wrote the lyrics to the favorite collegiate song this past weekend: "F*** Biden!"

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 20, 2021 11:28 AM (D3cJf)

50 The otters and I will be down to comfort the cabin boys at 7 bells.

Posted by: Capn Ned (Raging Queen) at September 20, 2021 11:28 AM (yrol0)

51 24 yeahp, gotta hand it to manchin and sinema, finally two DNC pols who aren't complete automatons.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at September 20, 2021 11:23 AM (ZZK0E)

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There are not many times I can be inundated by political ads, but I am being told that Mark Kelly is fiercely independent for us Arizonans.

I'm awaiting for confirmation that he has be seen in the same room with Manchin and Sinema. That would be a good indicator he's again ready to start campaigning as an independent.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at September 20, 2021 11:28 AM (TNyrE)

52 > I still think the Democrats could vote 50 strong -- with Kumala's tie-breaker -- to overrule the Parliamentarian. I also think they could just fire her.

Ilhan Omar suggests a third way. Fuck the Parliamentarian's ruling, do it anyway.

This ruling by the parliamentarian, is only a recommendation. @SenSchumer and the @WhiteHouse
can and should ignore it.

We can't miss this once in a lifetime opportunity to do the right thing.


https://bit.ly/3zwHMuY

Posted by: bonhomme at September 20, 2021 11:28 AM (UW2ZS)

53 So Slo Joe will just EO amnesty and the GOP will use it for fundraising.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 20, 2021 11:28 AM (kTF2Z)

54 At the risk of being considered cynical, I'm sure Manchin is just trying to maintain his electoral viability. Sinema actually seems to care about the country, and how posterity will judge her.
_____________

Manchin and Sinema are likely catching the fire for 5-10 other Senate Democrats who don't actually want to have to defend a lot of these votes back home - especially with the filibuster.

In turn, having left wing Democrats angry at Manchin and Sinema helps their moderate credibility back in WV and AZ respectively.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at September 20, 2021 11:28 AM (ssz2a)

55 "I wonder what changed?* *everyone knows what changed."

But I don't get it. Seriously, what specifically has changed? They're not even trying. Is this about Trump and how close they came to a winning streak?

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 20, 2021 11:29 AM (B0mGw)

56 Restored norms.

Norms dead.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 20, 2021 11:29 AM (T1fV4)

57 Are you enjoying your Restored Norms?

We are! In our business integrity retards profits so "norms" is just a synonym for our preferred flavor of corporatism.

Posted by: The Dispatch masthead at September 20, 2021 11:29 AM (5PtrJ)

58 Restore Norm.

#fuckjoebiden

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at September 20, 2021 11:29 AM (wAnMi)

59 Rules.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Posted by: blaster at September 20, 2021 11:29 AM (mbFEM)

60 Outrage! Amnesty something. Send us money to fight. Blah blah. 5x matching. Free t-shirt.

RNCC.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 20, 2021 11:29 AM (mdgQ7)

61 48 Here's something Mr. Comity, Mitch (The Bitch) McConnell would typically set his hair on fire about. But not now.

I wonder what changed?*

*everyone knows what changed.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 20, 2021 11:27 AM (BFigT)

Remember how quiet and compliant the "R"s have been for the past 12+ months. This is why you don't vote "R"s because the alternative is so much worse. There is no alternative, they are all bad.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 20, 2021 11:30 AM (D3cJf)

62 yup, and rememebr that all the gOP did with Trump is dump a few last minute mega-spending bills on his ass.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at September 20, 2021 11:30 AM (ZZK0E)

63 Nothing would make me happier than seeing Mitch McConnell working as a WalMart greeter.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 20, 2021 11:30 AM (mdgQ7)

64 The entire subject is moot since we have wholesale indifference to immigration laws as evidenced by Del Rio, etc.
Whatever DACA applicants we ever had are eclipsed many times over by the invasion.

Posted by: casual observer 0920 at September 20, 2021 11:30 AM (aAP3z)

65 I just intentionally farted.

Posted by: Justsayin' at September 20, 2021 11:31 AM (Fs5vw)

66 Posted by: bonhomme at September 20, 2021 11:28 AM (UW2ZS)

And to Omar there, any laws against engaging in decadence with your siblings are also just "recommendations" too.

Posted by: Thrawn at September 20, 2021 11:31 AM (5aFbR)

67 One thing I don't know is the schedule for all of the $3.5T in spending. If they pass this bill, can at least some of the spending be cancelled by a later Congress, or will it just be a money dump now?

Posted by: pep at September 20, 2021 11:31 AM (ZsR3z)

68 Reconciliation is used to bypass the filibuster and other Senate rules designed to slow down a bill and encourage debate and horse-trading and all that crap, which is why it is supposed to only be used in limited circumstances.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 20, 2021 11:31 AM (jOcSX)

69 Gee, Congress tried to slip a poison pill into a bunker buster of a budget bill.

Talk about adding insult to injury.

Of course, the usual suspects are lamenting the political cost, because they don't give a crap about America and Americans.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at September 20, 2021 11:31 AM (ZTjb4)

70 They want to ram this shit through because they expect to get slaughtered next election beyond the limits of thievery.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 20, 2021 11:31 AM (eJn7u)

71 "The Senate Parliamentarian has no standing. Next?"

Posted by: ShainS -- Unauthorized Freedom Exhibitionist at September 20, 2021 11:31 AM (bUS3k)

72 32 "I don't think Manchin would vote with them on that."

Not *yet* anyway, they'll need to find the right bribe.
Posted by: Thrawn at September 20, 2021 11:24 AM (5aFbR)

everyone has their price.
recall that manchin's daughter is a big wig in the pharma industry.

Posted by: Jack Burton, who knows its all in the reflexes at September 20, 2021 11:31 AM (b2D6m)

73 No worries. The SCROTUM will invalidate any unconstitutional laws passed in the heat of passion.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 20, 2021 11:31 AM (/1l9x)

74 but , but muh mean tweets

Posted by: Big Star at September 20, 2021 11:31 AM (pvJV4)

75 >>Reconciliation is used to bypass the filibuster and other Senate rules designed to slow down a bill


Making it against both the spirit and letter of the Constitution.

Posted by: garrett at September 20, 2021 11:32 AM (AQURz)

76 Parliamentarian? We don't need no sticking parliamentarian.


Nancy La Pelosi

Posted by: Archer at September 20, 2021 11:32 AM (gmo/4)

77 Why do they even care? There's a ten thousand plus invasion force on our southern border joining a multimillion advance army thats already distributed across the land. We've already been invaded

Posted by: banana Dream at September 20, 2021 11:32 AM (4D/dn)

78 It's a nice gesture, but it doesn't matter. The 12,000 Haitians at the Texas border are getting in, whether we like it or not.

Look what the paste eater did in eight months. Imagine what this country will look like in 2024.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 20, 2021 11:32 AM (XSRBF)

79 Trump said pussy!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 20, 2021 11:32 AM (kTF2Z)

80 There is no such thing as sea otter awareness week.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 20, 2021 11:23 AM


Yes, yes...please to remain unaware of the otters.

Posted by: The Otters at September 20, 2021 11:32 AM (m+jkK)

81 Its incredible how the Senate D's need Harris to win 50-50 votes and Pelosi has a 10 vote majority, but they can pass almost anything they want. There are no Democrat "Mavericks".

They benefit from the fact that they've consolidated support in a lot of blue areas, which protects their members. The ones who aren't protected, being in purple areas, are sacrificed with the promise of cushy jobs in the private sector.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 20, 2021 11:32 AM (jOcSX)

82 >>"The Senate Parliamentarian has no standing. Next?"


You are thinking of Sly and the Family Stone, not Parliament.

Posted by: garrett at September 20, 2021 11:32 AM (AQURz)

83 "We're under attack!"


"A tax, you say? Reconciliation, away!!!"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 20, 2021 11:32 AM (+nZtU)

84 I just intentionally farted.

Posted by: Justsayin' at September 20, 2021 11:31 AM (Fs5vw)

Your voice has changed...but your breath smells the same.

Posted by: BignJames at September 20, 2021 11:32 AM (AwYPR)

85 Did they remove the verbiage that says we will no longer be able to buy vitamins and supplements without a dr's script? Or the part that says all new cars will need a breathalyzer? My hate for politicians knows no bounds.... The left because they're evil and the right because they either are really leftists or they just don't fight.

Posted by: PAgirlinNC at September 20, 2021 11:32 AM (U7+ak)

86 Well, I beet chuck 'cromwell' shuumer can just dismiss this parlament.

Posted by: Eromero at September 20, 2021 11:33 AM (0OP+5)

87 Are you enjoying your Restored Norms?

Mr. Of Spades, do you realize that your silly anti-immigration campaign will increase the cost of having my lawn mowed?

Posted by: Mr. French at September 20, 2021 11:33 AM (EughT)

88 You'd think Google would have figured out I'm never going to click the "She Never Got Married, and Now We Know Why" ad.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 20, 2021 11:33 AM (UuD2k)

89 Making it against both the spirit and letter of the Constitution.
Posted by: garrett at September 20, 2021 11:32 AM (AQURz)


How so? The Senate gets to determine it's own rules of procedure.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 20, 2021 11:33 AM (jOcSX)

90 hope that lady likes being screamed at in restaurants and having her house picketed.

Posted by: x at September 20, 2021 11:33 AM (oA+QO)

91 Greg Abbot also has no standing.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 20, 2021 11:33 AM (kTF2Z)

92 jack murphy had kash patel on his show. outstanding podcast.
patel served in a large counter terrorism role in the white house.
he said that milley is the kraken of swamp creatures and will say and do anything to keep his job/power.

milley should have his special forces tab revoked. quiet professional my ass.

Posted by: Jack Burton, who knows its all in the reflexes at September 20, 2021 11:33 AM (b2D6m)

93 16 I'm sure Schumer and Co. could fire the parliamentarian and instill their own yes man, if needed.
Posted by: Curly Shuffle at September 20, 2021 11:22 AM (TNyrE)

_______________________________

This was just about cover for what they are already doing. They are providing amnesty through their illegal actions already. This was merely to say it was legal. IOW...no big deal. They want a subservient voting class dependent on their policies and power. They want mass influence for their social agenda. They have that too. And, they want to stack the vote with an influx of controllable subjects. Got that, also. And the 2020 election took it to the next level where they actually used the illegal influx in their voting tally...which worked like a charm.

And, since there is not substantive consequence...they will do it continuously and in greater malice.

Posted by: Orson at September 20, 2021 11:33 AM (vQVFC)

94 bypass the filibuster and other Senate rules


You mean the no filibuster, filibuster where one doesn't need to speechify during the entire time? That filibuster?

Posted by: Archer at September 20, 2021 11:34 AM (gmo/4)

95 70 They want to ram this shit through because they expect to get slaughtered next election beyond the limits of thievery.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 20, 2021 11:31 AM (eJn7u)

/looks at the Calif. Recall election totals...

That is now a bigger margin than you imagine.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 20, 2021 11:34 AM (oHd/0)

96 >>How so? The Senate gets to determine it's own rules of procedure.


Passing Legislation without Representation.

Shirking the defined role of the Senate which is to SLOW Legislation, rather than speed it up.

Codifying Senate Rules into National Law is patently Unconstitutional.

That's before they started using it to pass anything and everything under the sun.

Posted by: garrett at September 20, 2021 11:35 AM (AQURz)

97 Nothing would make me happier than seeing Mitch McConnell working as a WalMart greeter.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 20, 2021 11:30 AM (mdgQ7)


That's awfully generous of you. Personally I'd rather see him under a TX freeway overpass selling loosies for change and handjobs to Haitians for $3.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at September 20, 2021 11:35 AM (wAnMi)

98 This just comes to show that the most rabid, racist, attacks on our democracy come from the obsequious "non-partisan" departments.

Over the past 200 years, white supremacy has constructed structures of racism to signal to Black and Brown bodies that they are not welcome here. Now, faced with the opportunity to disrupt these racist power structures, this fiend comes in and says "our budget effect is 'merely incidental' to their overall policy impact." Well, fuck yeah it is!

Budgeting is just the means to enact policies. We are replacing old colonial structures with new equitable structures. People are just as much an investment as such antiquated things like buildings and roads (mainly constructed as an excuse to prolong climate denialism), and we need to commit with our resources that people are the #1 infrastructure priority.

By hiding such racist language in academic terms, our government continues to demonstrate how much its racist, slave-holding legacy suffocates real discussion today. You will be held accountable, Ms. "Parliamentarian."

Posted by: Your child's Senator (MN) at September 20, 2021 11:35 AM (HK8/E)

99 @88
I always click those, cause Im a fukkin imbecile.

Posted by: Preznit Drool Cup at September 20, 2021 11:35 AM (eJn7u)

100 The Senate parliamentarian ruled that this is against the rules and cannot be done.

what kind of maggot brained ruling is that?

Posted by: x at September 20, 2021 11:35 AM (oA+QO)

101 91 Greg Abbot also has no standing.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 20, 2021 11:33 AM (kTF2Z)

Captain Pike, has no standing....

Posted by: Federation Supreme Court at September 20, 2021 11:36 AM (oHd/0)

102 To be fair, which I hate being, the Dems using the rules to pass whatever they want is a norm.

See re It's A Tax! which means that it had to commence in the House but handwave handwave.

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at September 20, 2021 11:36 AM (mf5HN)

103 IF they made an annual budget a requirement, they MIGHT have a leg to stand on.

As it is, it is merely a workaround to the proper pathway to Legislation.

Posted by: garrett at September 20, 2021 11:36 AM (AQURz)

104 30 In 2017 the GOP held all the power. They wouldn't defund PBS.

In 2021 Dems hold all the power and they going for broke. They may not get it, but they sure as fuck are trying.

Conclusion: The GOP is a worthless piece of shit.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 11:24 AM (GQ5VU)


The GOP is a pseudo party of grifters who hate their base, give or take a few exceptions like Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and MTG.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at September 20, 2021 11:36 AM (y7DUB)

105 >>>Greg Abbot also has no standing.

Posted by: Duke Lowell

ISWYDT

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 20, 2021 11:37 AM (XSRBF)

106 Willowed:

The fatty cartoon is funny cuz it's true.

The only times I've been reproached or scolded or whatever about not wearing a mask or standing "too close"(less than 6 ft),

has been by a big ole fatty female over forty.

Obesity's gonna kill you, fattay. Not fantastic, healthy, and luxurious microfauna on and within naturalfake.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 20, 2021 11:37 AM (5NkmN)

107 Back to model building.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 20, 2021 11:37 AM (mQfG7)

108 Manchin is the left's McCain. It's kinda fun watching him twist the knife into their backs.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 11:37 AM (GQ5VU)

109 Nothing would make me happier than seeing Mitch McConnell working as a WalMart greeter.

Lemonparty.org seems like a retirement job more suited to his abilities.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 20, 2021 11:37 AM (QU5/8)

110 The GOP is a pseudo party of grifters who hate their base, give or take a few exceptions like Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and MTG.

Not so! I'm so mad I'm going to pound my little fists on the floor and kick my feet....and then provide amnesty.

Posted by: Marco Rubio at September 20, 2021 11:37 AM (ZsR3z)

111 the dems play for all the marbles.
the repubs don't know what marbles are.

they will find a way, by hook or crook, to legalize all of the peasants storming across the border.
any other analysis is mental masturbation.
and a lone parliamentarian ruling will not hold.

Posted by: Jack Burton, who knows its all in the reflexes at September 20, 2021 11:38 AM (b2D6m)

112 God hates a 400 pound electrically transported Karen.

Posted by: Preznit Drool Cup at September 20, 2021 11:38 AM (eJn7u)

113 II read that this exclusion is more like a "recommendation and pelosi and schemer could just ignore it should they wish.

Not a hard and fast ruling.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 20, 2021 11:39 AM (5NkmN)

114 103 IF they made an annual budget a requirement, they MIGHT have a leg to stand on.

As it is, it is merely a workaround to the proper pathway to Legislation.
Posted by: garrett at September 20, 2021 11:36 AM (AQURz)

But the Continuing resolution crap they use to fund, is SOOOOO against the very REASON the Founders put in the limit where the Gov can only fund things for one year... or if its the Navy two.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 20, 2021 11:39 AM (oHd/0)

115 They'll do it anyway, I reckon.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2021 11:39 AM (DCdYk)

116 the dems play for all the marbles.
the repubs don't know what marbles are.

The Democrats play to take over and rule
The Republicans play to get rich, stay powerful, and be in the elite.

Their goals are different, but they're fine with playing along together behind the scenes. As long as the Dems can convince the GOP that they will have a seat at the new communist table, then the GOP is glad to play along.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 20, 2021 11:39 AM (KZzsI)

117 everyone has their price.
recall that manchin's daughter is a big wig in the pharma industry.
Posted by: Jack Burton, who knows its all in the reflexes at September 20, 2021 11:31 AM (b2D6m)


Little Miss EpiPen gouger? Sleepy Jeff and Snack Barr sure dealt with her...

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at September 20, 2021 11:40 AM (y7DUB)

118 ------------------
There are not many times I can be inundated by political ads, but I am being told that Mark Kelly is fiercely independent for us Arizonans

******

That's a time- tested Jon Tester theme, too. Though Tester says he's fightin' for us Montanans.

The only two things Tester ever has fought for is to have an opportunity to hit the buffet lines for a fourth plateful and whatever graft Schumer will send his way.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at September 20, 2021 11:40 AM (MH0eD)

119 What I find so disheartening about this whole budget fiasco is the number of people who support this legislation.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at September 20, 2021 11:40 AM (ZTjb4)

120 Have they asked the Senate Janitor what he thinks?

Maybe he can give the green light.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 20, 2021 11:40 AM (B2OlB)

121 "Weren't the numbers of illegals in america 11M...you know 11M for 20 years straight with no change?"

IF there were 11 million 20 years ago, how many of them had multiple babies by now? Maybe many are somewhat Americanized (whatever that means, at this point in leftist controlled institutions) ... but there was some study about second generation immigrants not being very "American" ...

But the anchor babies are legal Americans ... raised by illegals, not counting foreigners that came just to have a kid with dual citizenship so they can always come to America for benefits, if their country goes bad.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 20, 2021 11:40 AM (Cus5s)

122 At this point I wouldn't be surprised to find out McConnell is helping the Democrats find a procedural way around this. It's what he does/did.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 20, 2021 11:40 AM (BFigT)

123 Back to model building.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 20, 2021 11:37 AM (mQfG7)

What do you do w/them when completed? Loved building model aircraft as a kid.

Posted by: BignJames at September 20, 2021 11:40 AM (AwYPR)

124 Glad to see this, expected it and was blabbing about it occasionally here.

A few pointless pedantic fixes. The Budget Act of 1974 did a whole bunch of things. The reconciliation bill is not the same thing as a conference report, the harmonized thing that emerges from a House-Senate conference to work out a common version of a bill both have passed. It is a special creature of the Budget Act and the budget resolution (not a law, just a framework within which Congress is supposed to operate).

Amnesty clearly wasn't germane, that was an obvious one. The ominous thing is that they tried it - including a half-hearted effort at mau-mauing the parliamentarian to declare "up is down!".

Well, "ominous", if things weren't basically already gone on the mass illegal migration/sovereignty/rule of law front. But they are.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 20, 2021 11:41 AM (OTzUX)

125 Amnesty is a bit of a red herring for me. We basically have amnesty already and have had it for years. All the talk of illegals "living in the shadows" or whatever is bullshit. They get jobs, they get govt benefits, their kids go to schools and they vote. They do everything an American citizen does....well except pay taxes and obey DUI laws.

So whether they become officially amnestied or not, really won't make any difference.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 11:41 AM (GQ5VU)

126 God hates a 400 pound electrically transported Karen.
Posted by: Preznit Drool Cup at September 20, 2021 11:38 AM (eJn7u)

They are like that Baron in "Dune".

He was better looking though.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 20, 2021 11:41 AM (/1l9x)

127 Nothing would make me happier than seeing Mitch McConnell working as a WalMart greeter.

Saw my first greeter in ages yesterday. "Would you like a flu shot?" Now, seriously, would I take any shot from a company that also offers the covid 'vaccine'? "No, I'm not ready to die yet."

Posted by: t-bird at September 20, 2021 11:41 AM (OMKK+)

128 "We are sending doormats to these lawmakers to remind them they let Nancy Pelosi walk all over them. Voters will hold any Democrat who supports Nancy Pelosi's reckless $3.5 trillion tax and spending spree accountable," said NRCC Chairman Tom Emmer.

Posted by: SMOD at September 20, 2021 11:42 AM (RHGPo)

129 That's a time- tested Jon Tester theme, too. Though Tester says he's fightin' for us Montanans.

Doesn't he do really terrible taxidermy too?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 20, 2021 11:42 AM (KZzsI)

130 Democratic stomp their feet long enough they will get their way

Posted by: Skip's Phone at September 20, 2021 11:42 AM (TGQn3)

131 Not to worry, comrades ... Hunter Biden's father has a Crayon and a Fisher-Price Chatter Telephone on wheels!

Amnesty and instant American citizenship to everybody on the planet ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Unauthorized Freedom Exhibitionist at September 20, 2021 11:42 AM (fy1Ip)

132 as if being told "No" will mean anything to these traitors...

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it at September 20, 2021 11:42 AM (kLwt5)

133 My Kroger is pimping flu shots and Covid shots. There's a sign for both right next to each other which I find kinda funny.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 11:42 AM (GQ5VU)

134 Their goals are different, but they're fine with playing along together behind the scenes. As long as the Dems can convince the GOP that they will have a seat at the new communist table, then the GOP is glad to play along.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 20, 2021 11:39 AM (KZzsI)

very true. i'm at the point now where i believe we need multiple parties to dilute both left and right wing. perhaps a head and heart party of the eagle or something like that. you know, tries to capture those in the middle.
we've transformed into an oligarchy, and the quicker people realize that, the quicker we can get things moving in either direction: dystopia or repairing the system.

Posted by: Jack Burton, who knows its all in the reflexes at September 20, 2021 11:42 AM (b2D6m)

135 What I find so disheartening about this whole budget fiasco is the number of people who support this legislation.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at September 20, 2021 11:40 AM (ZTjb4)

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They don't necessarily support the bill, they support their team.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 20, 2021 11:42 AM (kTF2Z)

136 @126
That is exactly what I was thinking. Exactly.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 20, 2021 11:43 AM (eJn7u)

137 >>>There are not many times I can be inundated by political ads, but I am being told that Mark Kelly is fiercely independent for us Arizonans



I never see him on TV, never see articles about him. It's like he wants to be PA's Bob Casey; you only hear him at election time.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 20, 2021 11:43 AM (XSRBF)

138 They are like that Baron in "Dune".

He was better looking though.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 20, 2021 11:41 AM (/1l9x)

The Karen Harkonnen.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at September 20, 2021 11:43 AM (uhPTO)

139 Seems China likes to send us pandemics and depressions. Maybe we should find some new 'friends?'

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 20, 2021 11:43 AM (/MaDp)

140 Policy wise, Tester is Chuck Shumer, except he doesn't want to ban all guns. And the dullards in Montana fall for that shit every 6 years.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 11:43 AM (GQ5VU)

141 Are you enjoying your Restored Norms?
Posted by: Ace at 12:20 PM
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Norms are falling left and right. RIP.

Posted by: Axeman at September 20, 2021 11:44 AM (XHhHI)

142 The Karen Harkonnen.
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at September 20, 2021 11:43 AM (uhPTO)

/Golf Clap

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 20, 2021 11:44 AM (oHd/0)

143
Pennsylvania Rations Alcohol Due to Crippled Supply Chain

Alt Title: Big Govt would go broke running a whore house.

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 20, 2021 11:44 AM (yrol0)

144 Joe Manchin anagrams to John Mcaine.

Posted by: ... at September 20, 2021 11:44 AM (9pMsp)

145 Poll: Only 49% Think Joe Biden Is Mentally Stable Enough to Be President

Posted by: SMOD at September 20, 2021 11:44 AM (RHGPo)

146 Posted by: naturalfake at September 20, 2021 11:37 AM (5NkmN)

The only person who scolded, (well, he scolded FenelonSpouse, not me ) was months and months ago when we were wearing masks and he was the end of the checkout counter picked up he bagged groceries and spouse and I were were at the part of the line right before the conveyer belt. This man who was thin and probably in his 70's or above and he said , "Can't you just wait to put your groceries up there until I leave the stor?!!" Everybody else just goes about their business of veers their carts away from me as if I have the bubonic plague and think I'm going to come up and cough on them

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 20, 2021 11:44 AM (AJzTi)

147 Here's some anti-amnesty for you. Photos of US border enforcement on horseback over the weekend, with herding and roping.

https://tinyurl.com/54ukb996

Warning - Daily Mail page.



Posted by: Gref at September 20, 2021 11:44 AM (AMIL/)

148 My most treasured provision in the Constitution is the one about the Senate Parliamentarian basically having unchecked authority to decide how we are ruled.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at September 20, 2021 11:45 AM (H/wdc)

149 The Karen Harkonnen.
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at September 20, 2021 11:43 AM (uhPTO)

Fuckin Brilliant!

This is why I come to this place.

Thanks GH!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 20, 2021 11:45 AM (/1l9x)

150 Doesn't he do really terrible taxidermy too

********

Close. He lost his fingers cutting meat or making sausage, I forget which.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at September 20, 2021 11:45 AM (MH0eD)

151 I never see him on TV, never see articles about him. It's like he wants to be PA's Bob Casey; you only hear him at election time.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 20, 2021 11:43 AM (XSRBF)

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Kelly (aka cheap knockoff of Lex Luthor) definitely likes to keep a low profile and let all of these paid-for fluff ads from dubious groups do the talking for him.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at September 20, 2021 11:45 AM (TNyrE)

152 Poll: Only 49% Think Joe Biden Is Mentally Stable Enough to Be President
Posted by: SMOD at September 20, 2021 11:44 AM (RHGPo)
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What is "Far too many", Alex?

Posted by: Axeman at September 20, 2021 11:45 AM (XHhHI)

153 Pennsylvania Rations Alcohol Due to Crippled Supply Chain


doesn't matter to me; I will never darken the door of a PA state store again as long as I live!

SMOD - 49 percent think he's mentally stable?!?! that's way way too high! come on people, stop with the normalcy bias already!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 20, 2021 11:45 AM (j9HX3)

154 Isn't Senate Parliamentarian about as relevant as a Regional Buggy Whip Coordinator these days?

Posted by: Muldoon at September 20, 2021 11:46 AM (Xwt96)

155 All the talk of illegals "living in the shadows" or whatever is bullshit . They get jobs, they get govt benefits, their kids go to schools and they vote. They do everything an American citizen does....well except pay taxes and obey DUI laws.

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American citizens should be so lucky as to live in the shadows.

Posted by: SH (Non-Expert) at September 20, 2021 11:46 AM (sX1BW)

156 What I find so disheartening about this whole budget fiasco is the number of people who support this legislation.

No, that's the scam That's the propaganda and gaslighting in effect. They want you to think that. It's part and parcel of what might be termed "Manufactured Consent".

They've done it over and over with any number of issues. See also "Gay" marriage. Global Warming, the list is endless.

It's an operation, very effective. I became curious about 25 years ago into the nature of these things. There are various "crowd control" techniques that are used in business, education and government.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 20, 2021 11:46 AM (B2OlB)

157 Posted by: illiniwek at September 20, 2021 11:40 AM (Cus5s)

A reason they're ( Dims and Reps as Well) are already talking about cutting your Soc Sec benefits by 22% whether already on or about to get.

Gotta pay for the flood of illegals to be on welfare for the rest of their lives.

Even though you paid for your benefits, you're just not as important. Hurry up and die.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 20, 2021 11:46 AM (5NkmN)

158 And nothing about it is unconstitutional. The Congress decides its own internal procedures, per the constitution.

President can still veto anything emerging from Congress, constitution sets the rules on that process.

The House has long been a virtual dictatorship, the minority has little significance. The Senate has always been 100 (well, it's up to that, now) city-states doing pretty much whatever they want, under Senate rules, which the Senate determines.

The Budget Act/reconciliation bill thing is notable mostly because it creates a "priviliged matter" before the Senate, that is, rules on debate and voting supplant Senate rules. Thus, no filibuster, and no cloture (no need for 60 votes to end debate).

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 20, 2021 11:46 AM (OTzUX)

159 "Can't you just wait to put your groceries up there until I leave the stor?!!" Everybody else just goes about their business of veers their carts away from me as if I have the bubonic plague and think I'm going to come up and cough on them
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 20, 2021 11:44 AM (AJzTi)


Until he left the store? Apparently he forgot he was walking up and down the aisles with those very same groceries on the shelves?

Posted by: Jordan61 at September 20, 2021 11:46 AM (Ez6QX)

160 What to do, what to do, Haiti doesn't want the people back that ran off to the land of milk and honey. Now what, offer Haiti billions is my suggestion. You know its nice to be an official in Haiti and have the money flowing into your account.

Posted by: Colin at September 20, 2021 11:46 AM (iTUCF)

161 DOW down 735. Hopsing fucked up dinner.

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 20, 2021 11:47 AM (/MaDp)

162 That's a time- tested Jon Tester theme, too. Though Tester says he's fightin' for us Montanans.

The only two things Tester ever has fought for is to have an opportunity to hit the buffet lines for a fourth plateful and whatever graft Schumer will send his way.
Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at September 20, 2021 11:40 AM


Chuck Testa >> Jon Tester

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 20, 2021 11:47 AM (m+jkK)

163 The Senate Parliamentarian allows the fiction of a "filibuster" to continue. Might as well just get on with it and overrule him.

Posted by: SH (Non-Expert) at September 20, 2021 11:47 AM (sX1BW)

164 If we don't do amnesty the cost of a tomato will increase by 1/8 of a cent. And that would cripple the economy.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 11:47 AM (GQ5VU)

165 and now for some good news: the four guardsmen, large sequoia trees in kalifornia, were spared from the wildfire near sequoia national park.

i'd like to see those before i croak one day but with newsom and the left's total control on kali and their inability to manage forests, that day gets less and less likely.
but either way, they are here for now.

Posted by: Jack Burton, who knows its all in the reflexes at September 20, 2021 11:47 AM (b2D6m)

166 "We can't miss this once in a lifetime opportunity to do the right thing."

Much of the Biden Junta lightning war is run on this theory. "Now is our Moment ... to ram totalitarianism up their arse". If they have to murder tens of thousands (millions?) with a Plandemic and removal of effective treatment ... so be it. We must get our digital passports, then we have them all by the financial and medical balls."

They also give the IRS full access to accounts over $600, to track every damn thing we do. (I think that is also hidden in this bill?) .. So will buying a gun = IRS malicious audits? Which campaign contributions will result in IRS deep probe audit, and which election fraud and illegal spending will be ignored by Lois Lerner's trained army?

Posted by: illiniwek at September 20, 2021 11:47 AM (Cus5s)

167 161 DOW down 735. Hopsing fucked up dinner.


to me this means the market doesn't think the fargin' 5 trillion wish list is gonna pass

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 20, 2021 11:47 AM (j9HX3)

168 Joe Manchin anagrams to John Mcaine.
Posted by: ... at September 20, 2021 11:44 AM (9pMsp)
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It makes the McCaine Mutiny more visible.

Posted by: Axeman at September 20, 2021 11:47 AM (XHhHI)

169 Report: Kyrsten Sinema Issues Joe Biden Ultimatum, Demands House Vote on Senate-Passed $1.2 Trillion Infrastructure Bill by September 27 or No $3.5 Trillion Bill

Posted by: SMOD at September 20, 2021 11:47 AM (RHGPo)

170 Poll: Only 49% Think Joe Biden Is Mentally Stable Enough to Be President
Posted by: SMOD at September 20, 2021 11:44 AM (RHGPo)

If that number is only half true we are a Dead Former Republic.

Posted by: ... at September 20, 2021 11:48 AM (9pMsp)

171 >>> Still, they tried to break the rules, again. To end American sovereignty.

** types ** ** deletes **

Posted by: fluffy at September 20, 2021 11:48 AM (UnQlg)

172 160 What to do, what to do, Haiti doesn't want the people back that ran off to the land of milk and honey. Now what, offer Haiti billions is my suggestion. You know its nice to be an official in Haiti and have the money flowing into your account.
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With Billions attached I'd say Martha's Vineyard is the Place they Ought To Be.

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 20, 2021 11:48 AM (/MaDp)

173 Dems aren't above a little failure theater themselves.

The main difference between Dems and GOP is that usually 90% of the Dem Representatives don't really want the failure whereas in GOP failure theater only 5-10% of the GOP representatives don't really want the failure.

Posted by: Match Checksout at September 20, 2021 11:48 AM (dYe5S)

174 >>>Alt Title: Big Govt would go broke running a whore house.

Posted by: rhennigantx


Laughable. Another attempt by Governor Wolf to ban our freedoms. Dumbass doesn't understand the state is bordered by NJ, Delaware, Maryland, West Virginia, Ohio, and New York. We'll just drive there.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 20, 2021 11:48 AM (XSRBF)

175 And nothing about it is unconstitutional. The Congress decides its own internal procedures, per the constitution.

Yes, and no. The constitution requires both houses vote separately on bills and present that to the president. Reconciliation bypasses that constitutional requirement.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 20, 2021 11:48 AM (KZzsI)

176 If Mitch were working as a WM greeter I would have a chance to crop dust him as I walked past.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 20, 2021 11:48 AM (mdgQ7)

177 148 My most treasured provision in the Constitution is the one about the Senate Parliamentarian basically having unchecked authority to decide how we are ruled.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at September 20, 2021 11:45 AM (H/wdc)


It's not prohibited by the Constitution. The Constitution explicitly gives both House and Senate the power to make their own rules.

Posted by: Gref at September 20, 2021 11:48 AM (AMIL/)

178 >>And nothing about it is unconstitutional. The Congress decides its own internal procedures, per the constitution.


There are limits to what they can do.

It's not Calvinball in there.

Posted by: garrett at September 20, 2021 11:49 AM (XCrPR)

179 Floating around with a suspensor of disbelief belt

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 20, 2021 11:49 AM (+nZtU)

180 Sal Testa >> Chuck Testa >> Jon Tester


heh - obscure local reference

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 20, 2021 11:49 AM (j9HX3)

181 Posted by: Jordan61 at September 20, 2021 11:46 AM (Ez6QX)

Yes; There's a whole lot of irrationality about this.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 20, 2021 11:49 AM (AJzTi)

182 Before clicking link hold your breathe.


I have those ads with a passion.

Posted by: Barr Durham at September 20, 2021 11:49 AM (tRMJH)

183 Close. He lost his fingers cutting meat or making sausage, I forget which.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at September 20, 2021 11:45 AM


Hopefully not at the same time.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 20, 2021 11:49 AM (m+jkK)

184 Muldoon, the parliamentarian's World Series is over precisely questions of germaneness on reconciliation bills, typically. On a few other occasions their rulings are consequential, it varies from year to year.

Don't believe there are any senators left who can go toe to toe with the parliamentarian. Robert Byrd was the last.

My favorite when I was there, an extended debate over the meaning of a footnote in the Senate rules, which would determine the outcome of a procedural debate. Byrd won when he pointed out that footnotes in Roman numerals worked differently than those using arabic numerals. Probably the last epic procedural clash of its kind.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 20, 2021 11:49 AM (OTzUX)

185 I notice the media is back to doing Dead White Girl Theater after a decade long hiatus.

Posted by: ... at September 20, 2021 11:49 AM (9pMsp)

186 175 And nothing about it is unconstitutional. The Congress decides its own internal procedures, per the constitution.

Yes, and no. The constitution requires both houses vote separately on bills and present that to the president. Reconciliation bypasses that constitutional requirement.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 20, 2021 11:48 AM (KZzsI)


How so?

Posted by: Gref at September 20, 2021 11:49 AM (AMIL/)

187 The markets could finally shit the bed considering the Evergrande went tits up (they ain't the only financial/capital group who are fucked). They are also heavily involved in crypto especially Tether. Like own between 50% to 80% of Tether which is linked heavily to Bitcoin.

Prepare your anus if you haven't been taking the proper positions the last few weeks.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at September 20, 2021 11:50 AM (5CY9V)

188 167 161 DOW down 735. Hopsing fucked up dinner.


to me this means the market doesn't think the fargin' 5 trillion wish list is gonna pass
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Maybe. What's worse is the discount of button down Wall Street when they have to mark to market all they're winning China investments.

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 20, 2021 11:50 AM (/MaDp)

189 The Brave browser is really starting to piss me off. These 10 second pauses where I can't do anything while it tries to load an ad, but never displays an ad are becoming more frequent and irritating.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 20, 2021 11:50 AM (mdgQ7)

190 Chuck Todd thinks I'm a decent guy just can't do the job. He obviously doesn't know me or my past. But, Dr Jill thinks I'm neato, C'mon man,

Posted by: China Jor at September 20, 2021 11:50 AM (vGJY7)

191 The constitution was written by dead white slave owners 100 years ago. Who cares what it says? We need health care for women, paid vacation and free college. That's what we care about not some stupid constitution.
- 2/3 of Twitter

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 11:50 AM (GQ5VU)

192 101 91 Greg Abbot also has no standing.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 20, 2021 11:33 AM (kTF2Z)

Captain Pike, has no standing....
Posted by: Federation Supreme Court at September 20, 2021 11:36 AM (oHd/0)

Almost spit my drink on no standing...
Capt. Pike ref... yup, that got me...

Posted by: Inogame at September 20, 2021 11:50 AM (53oGX)

193 Boeing Seeks Answers After Empty Tequila Bottles Found Aboard Future Air Force One

Posted by: SMOD at September 20, 2021 11:50 AM (RHGPo)

194 Pennsylvania Rations Alcohol Due to Crippled Supply Chain


doesn't matter to me; I will never darken the door of a PA state store again as long as I live!


If you were to place a government agency in charge of the Sahara desert, soon you would be hearing about a scarcity of sand.

- Milton Friedman

Posted by: Archer at September 20, 2021 11:50 AM (gmo/4)

195 garrett, it actually pretty much *is*. They set their own rules, internally, and between the two houses. That's it.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 20, 2021 11:51 AM (OTzUX)

196 Prepare your anus if you haven't been taking the proper positions the last few weeks.

me hatches be all battened down

let's go!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 20, 2021 11:51 AM (j9HX3)

197 My most treasured provision in the Constitution is the one about the Senate Parliamentarian basically having unchecked authority to decide how we are ruled.
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The Senate could overrule the Parliamentarian if they so chose. Her job is basically to advise the Senate on their byzantine rules, but her power only exists so far as the Senators choose to let I exist.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 20, 2021 11:51 AM (/fCxZ)

198 Who's the 49% who think Biden's "mentally competent"? At this point his handlers should just buy a sandbox and spray him (gently) with a hose and tell him he's at Rehoboth Beach. Save plane fuel and all that co2.

Posted by: pahound at September 20, 2021 11:51 AM (rMFVS)

199 185 I notice the media is back to doing Dead White Girl Theater after a decade long hiatus.
Posted by: ...

They really care about Ole Pale Vaginas this time. Double Pinky Swearsies.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at September 20, 2021 11:51 AM (5CY9V)

200 I notice the media is back to doing Dead White Girl Theater after a decade long hiatus.
Posted by: ... at September 20, 2021 11:49 AM (9pMsp)
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Chris Plante worked in the CNN newsroom--back when it could be called news--and he said the "Missing Pretty Blonde" was a constant story.

Posted by: Axeman at September 20, 2021 11:51 AM (XHhHI)

201 Special Ranger time stamp check in.

It's quite. So very too quiet.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 20, 2021 11:51 AM (T1fV4)

202 My peeps: at Dow 35K, 700 points is not a big deal. When Dow was 10K, yeah big deal. Now, it's kinda meh. But everyone is still kinda stuck in a 10K dow mentality.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 11:51 AM (GQ5VU)

203 They don't necessarily support the bill, they support their team.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 20, 2021 11:42 AM (kTF2Z)


It's like everything in politics is just a McGuffin!

Posted by: blaster at September 20, 2021 11:51 AM (mbFEM)

204 Just ordered 500rds of 308. $1.20 per round. Still a bit pricey, but i have a feeling new ammo killing regulations are coming.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 20, 2021 11:52 AM (mdgQ7)

205 Pennsylvania Rations Alcohol Due to Crippled Supply Chain

I don't think you're allowed to say that. You have to say "Differently-Abled Supply Chain".

Posted by: spindrift at September 20, 2021 11:52 AM (h5TKJ)

206 Remember when Obama promised us that the Text of ALL new Legislation was to be made available for public review prior to holding a Vote?


Man. That guy was really looking out for us.

Posted by: garrett at September 20, 2021 11:52 AM (XCrPR)

207 oh you're right Mr XiDen but I am sick of the "new market highs" every day thing

plus I'm always early to these parties - sometimes like a year early - heh.

sick of waiting for a correction over here!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 20, 2021 11:52 AM (j9HX3)

208
"We are sending doormats to these lawmakers to remind them they let Nancy Pelosi walk all over them. Voters will hold any Democrat who supports Nancy Pelosi's reckless $3.5 trillion tax and spending spree accountable," said NRCC Chairman Tom Emmer.
Posted by: SMOD


How about some Chamber of Commerce doormats, Tom?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 20, 2021 11:53 AM (63Dwl)

209 My Kroger is pimping flu shots and Covid shots. There's a sign for both right next to each other which I find kinda funny.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 11:42 AM (GQ5VU)


Having had the flu in the past, I used to get the shot every year. Henceforth, I shall decline as my trust in the system is slightly less than zero.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 20, 2021 11:53 AM (rfkq2)

210 The Senate could overrule the Parliamentarian if they so chose. Her job is basically to advise the Senate on their byzantine rules, but her power only exists so far as the Senators choose to let I exist.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 20, 2021 11:51 AM (/fCxZ)

And what does it take to change a Senate Rule? A simple majority vote.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 20, 2021 11:53 AM (oHd/0)

211 Reconciliation bill is voted on by both houses. Nothing unconstitutional about the Budget Act, or any of the things that happen under it.

This is one of the odder erroneous tail-chases I've seen here in a while.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 20, 2021 11:53 AM (OTzUX)

212 The Senate could overrule the Parliamentarian if they so chose. Her job is basically to advise the Senate on their byzantine rules, but her power only exists so far as the Senators choose to let I exist.

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To date, the Parliamentarian has allowed bills to be passed that did not pass the filibuster - primarily for the left. The GOP didn't complain, because they wanted the bill too and could just blame the parliamentarian. Now the Dems can. Here's the secret, the Dems don't really want amnesty.

Posted by: SH (Non-Expert) at September 20, 2021 11:53 AM (sX1BW)

213 This busty, freckled redhead is willing to show her significant cleavage if it will help strip amnesty out of the phony reconciliation bill. Or just in general. Whatever.
https://is.gd/IzwblG

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2021 11:53 AM (DCdYk)

214 by Governor Wolf is going to open state run whore houses? Pretty young illegal immigrants will have a job after all.

Posted by: Colin at September 20, 2021 11:53 AM (iTUCF)

215 Before clicking link hold your breathe.

LOL

I think they're only if you want to click on things that show that someone either made a miraculous transformation by losing weight, or-what a surprise!!!-they may not look like they looked 40 years ago when they were cute and thin and young.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 20, 2021 11:53 AM (AJzTi)

216 Having had the flu in the past, I used to get the shot every year. Henceforth, I shall decline as my trust in the system is slightly less than zero.


me three

after this nonsense with COVID, no way

always made the whole fam get the flu shot too - no longer

I don't trust these idiots anymore

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 20, 2021 11:54 AM (j9HX3)

217 I contacted Liberty Counsel...we'll see what happens. Work didn't give us a reasonable amount of time at all. The high-level guidance came out last Friday, and we'd have to get the first shot (if doing Moderna) three weeks from today in order to comply. And no guidance on HOW to request exemptions.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at September 20, 2021 11:54 AM (8548M)

218 The genesis of it if you will started with the Rand corporation, the government was looking for a way of determining the likelihood of nuclear war by polling experts. I know this sounds incongruous, but stay with me. They came up with a program called the Delphi Technique. It seems like a stretch, but it was perverted into a method of managing group dynamics.

It's a type of mind fvckery that is part parlor trick and part guilt trip, and effective messaging. If you've ever been to any sort of contentious public issue meeting or business meeting where an "outside facilitator" was part of the mix, you were subject to the "Delphi Technique", they might call the facilitators something different now, but it's the same deal. Watch for the main group to be broken down into several groups.

It depends on herd mentality, decent people who are generally willing to compromise, don't want to appear biased or "extreme", and assume others are negotiating in good faith and are also willing to compromise. None of that on the other side is true, of course.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 20, 2021 11:54 AM (B2OlB)

219 >>>https://is.gd/IzwblG

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)


Wowzers!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 20, 2021 11:54 AM (XSRBF)

220 My peeps: at Dow 35K, 700 points is not a big deal. When Dow was 10K, yeah big deal. Now, it's kinda meh. But everyone is still kinda stuck in a 10K dow mentality.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 11:51 AM (GQ5VU)


At this point isn't that basically daily volatility noise?

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at September 20, 2021 11:54 AM (mf5HN)

221 "We are sending doormats to these lawmakers to remind them they let Nancy Pelosi walk all over them. Voters will hold any Democrat who supports Nancy Pelosi's reckless $3.5 trillion tax and spending spree accountable," said NRCC Chairman Tom Emmer.
Posted by: SMOD

We understand you are angry that your house is burning down, so we will be sending squirt guns to your town council to protest the lack of funding of the Fire Department!

Please send money so we can continue representing YOU!

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 20, 2021 11:55 AM (oHd/0)

222 Here's the secret, the Dems don't really want amnesty.
Posted by: SH (Non-Expert) at September 20, 2021 11:53 AM (sX1BW)

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Why do you say that? For Dems amnesty is their wettest wet dream. It ensures they never lose an election again, legally too.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 11:55 AM (GQ5VU)

223 oh no Mrs Peel!

can't you say you'll be getting J and J and thereby wait longer?!?!

please don't get moderna

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 20, 2021 11:55 AM (j9HX3)

224 Here's the secret, the Dems don't really want amnesty.
Posted by: SH (Non-Expert) at September 20, 2021 11:53 AM (sX1BW)


Yup. Manchin can oppose this because he knows that he's got support inside the party from a few other Dems who don't want to face the voters with amnesty hanging around their necks.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 20, 2021 11:55 AM (jOcSX)

225 This busty, freckled redhead is willing to show her significant cleavage if it will help strip amnesty out of the phony reconciliation bill. Or just in general. Whatever.
https://is.gd/IzwblG

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2021 11:53 AM (DCdYk)


Finally! Thank you Joe Mannix!!

Posted by: Archer at September 20, 2021 11:55 AM (gmo/4)

226 >>garrett, it actually pretty much *is*. They set their own rules, internally, and between the two houses. That's it.


That was not the design, though.

And it is only through all 3 branches shirking their respective responsibilities that it is allowed.

Posted by: garrett at September 20, 2021 11:55 AM (XCrPR)

227 220 My peeps: at Dow 35K, 700 points is not a big deal. When Dow was 10K, yeah big deal. Now, it's kinda meh. But everyone is still kinda stuck in a 10K dow mentality.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 11:51 AM (GQ5VU)

At this point isn't that basically daily volatility noise?
Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at September 20, 2021 11:54 AM (mf5HN)

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Yeah pretty much. Dow is down 2% today. It's a big-ish move, but it's a move that happens 25 times a year, in either direction. It's not "nothing" but it's definitely not end of the world shit either the way so many people make it out to be.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 11:56 AM (GQ5VU)

228 Does Vegas do odds on these things? I wonder what the odds of "passing it anyway" are.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2021 11:56 AM (DCdYk)

229 Remember when Obama promised us that the Text of ALL new Legislation was to be made available for public review prior to holding a Vote?


Man. That guy was really looking out for us.
Posted by: garrett at September 20, 2021 11:52 AM (XCrPR)
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Remember when he suggested that the boards are just to advise doctors on treatments? Give them the best advise possible?

2020s have shown that means they can ban drugs that people report to be effective with low toxicity because they don't like those drugs.

Well, you're in your "last year of life" if they have any say about it.

Posted by: Axeman at September 20, 2021 11:56 AM (XHhHI)

230 At this point isn't that basically daily volatility noise?
Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at September 20, 2021 11:54 AM (mf5HN)

Chinese company is gong under... affecting THEIR market.

But with so many of our companies now in bed with ChiCom companies, folks are panicing.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 20, 2021 11:56 AM (oHd/0)

231 A reason they're ( Dims and Reps as Well) are already talking about cutting your Soc Sec benefits by 22% whether already on or about to get.
Gotta pay for the flood of illegals to be on welfare for the rest of their lives.
Even though you paid for your benefits, you're just not as important. Hurry up and die.
Posted by: naturalfake at September 20, 2021 11:46 AM (5NkmN)

04/22/19 12:49 PM EDT

The Social Security retirement program will be unable to pay full benefits by 2035, according to a new report issued Monday by the Trump administration.
Without reforms, the report says, payments to beneficiaries would have to be cut by 25 percent starting in 2035 to keep the program solvent.
The report said the program's roughly $3 trillion in reserves will be depleted by 2035.
The government will have to tap into those reserves beginning in 2020, when the costs of the program will begin exceeding the income it receives from taxes.

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 20, 2021 11:56 AM (yrol0)

232 And what does it take to change a Senate Rule? A simple majority vote.
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 20, 2021 11:53 AM (oHd/0)


Yes, which they don't have because Manchin, and likely another couple Senators, won't back it.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 20, 2021 11:56 AM (jOcSX)

233 Obviously, you've never witnessed a fully weaponized use of Roberts Rules of Order. It's a thing of beauty when used correctly.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at September 20, 2021 11:56 AM (YynYJ)

234 218 It's a type of mind fvckery that is part parlor trick and part guilt trip, and effective messaging. If you've ever been to any sort of contentious public issue meeting or business meeting where an "outside facilitator" was part of the mix, you were subject to the "Delphi Technique", they might call the facilitators something different now, but it's the same deal.

i see. never dealt with delphi personally. heard it was object-oriented pascal, but apparently it's facilitator-oriented pascal.

Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at September 20, 2021 11:56 AM (GMkMZ)

235 60 votes needed, as with cloture, to over-rule the parliamentarian. VP acting as president of the Senate can also do it, but that only happened once, I think.

Parliamentarian's rulings on what is germane or extraneous to reconciliation is one of the last actual guard-rails still standing in much of what Congress does. It only exists by deference of the mob, i.e. whoever has the votes at a given time, of course. But it's still there, as this episode demonstrates.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 20, 2021 11:56 AM (OTzUX)

236 >> This busty, freckled redhead is willing to show her significant cleavage if it will help strip amnesty out of the phony reconciliation bill. Or just in general. Whatever.


Find me a Haitian that looks like that and my penis will give her Amnesty.

Posted by: garrett at September 20, 2021 11:56 AM (XCrPR)

237 188 167 161 DOW down 735. Hopsing fucked up dinner.

That's also due to China's "Lehman Moment" over Evergrande.

Posted by: Thrawn at September 20, 2021 11:57 AM (5aFbR)

238 Why do you say that? For Dems amnesty is their wettest wet dream. It ensures they never lose an election again, legally too.

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IMO, they want to be seen as wanting it more than actually wanting it.

Posted by: SH (Non-Expert) at September 20, 2021 11:57 AM (sX1BW)

239 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2021 11:53 AM (DCdYk)

I think busty redhead is probably saying to herself, "I didn't know that my super push up and push together bra would work quite THIS well. How much am I going to get for this photo shoot, anyway?"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 20, 2021 11:58 AM (AJzTi)

240 They really care about Ole Pale Vaginas this time. Double Pinky Swearsies.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe

There actually is a plant named "Pinky Winkie". It's a stretch but apropos.

Almost gives me a chuckle.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 20, 2021 11:58 AM (mD/uy)

241
DOW down 735. Hopsing fucked up dinner.

I don't think he'll ever get over Ever Grande.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 20, 2021 11:58 AM (63Dwl)

242 Did George Clinton ever overrule the Parliament Funkadelic?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 20, 2021 11:58 AM (mdgQ7)

243 Yeah pretty much. Dow is down 2% today. It's a big-ish move, but it's a move that happens 25 times a year, in either direction. It's not "nothing" but it's definitely not end of the world shit either the way so many people make it out to be.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 11:56 AM (GQ5VU)

I am going to wait until end of month to rebalance. I try to keep my beta around .70 or so.

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 20, 2021 11:58 AM (yrol0)

244 Here's the secret, the Dems don't really want amnesty.
Posted by: SH (Non-Expert) at September 20, 2021 11:53 AM (sX1BW)
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I think this *used* to be true. Back when they lived or died on the blue-collar/union bloc, they were anti-amnesty. They would bleat about it for the identity politics gains, but it was all failure theater.

Now, though, they lost the blue-collar bloc. They have unions, still, but they're mostly government employees at this point and the Dems have them regardless. The working class is no longer Dem territory, especially since Trump. Now that it's already gone, I suspect they're much more sincerely interested in amnesty than they were in the past.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2021 11:58 AM (DCdYk)

245 Well, you're in your "last year of life" if they have any say about it.
Posted by: Axeman at September 20, 2021 11:56 AM (XHhHI)
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With the Biden Presidency being the Biden Presidency we could all be in our last year of life.

Posted by: zmdavid at September 20, 2021 11:58 AM (xqRaG)

246 237 188 167 161 DOW down 735. Hopsing fucked up dinner.

That's also due to China's "Lehman Moment" over Evergrande.
Posted by: Thrawn at September 20, 2021 11:57 AM (5aFbR)

As little Joe said, none of us were homo on the Ponderosa but luckily Hopsing was.

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 20, 2021 11:59 AM (yrol0)

247 garrett, no, the collapse of the constitution has nothing to do with Congress setting its own internal rules, which it already has, under the constitution.

The collapse has been multi-faceted, with the judiciary becoming a major player (now utterly lawless, when it wants), and the Congress abandoning its job to an administrative state, being the big factors.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 20, 2021 11:59 AM (OTzUX)

248 illeniwek @ 121- 11 million 20 ears ago? The total was much higher. As to how many have been born (anchor baby), the average is one every 10 or 11 months. And starting young is key to out-produce other minorities.

Posted by: Eromero at September 20, 2021 11:59 AM (0OP+5)

249 If the Dow drops 10,000 it will be Trumps fault.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 20, 2021 12:00 PM (mdgQ7)

250 Now, though, they lost the blue-collar bloc. They have unions, still, but they're mostly government employees at this point and the Dems have them regardless. The working class is no longer Dem territory, especially since Trump. Now that it's already gone, I suspect they're much more sincerely interested in amnesty than they were in the past.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2021 11:58 AM (DCdYk)

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Unions used to be anti-amnesty/immigration. Now they are all in, because they realize it will boost their numbers.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 12:00 PM (GQ5VU)

251 237 188 167 161 DOW down 735. Hopsing fucked up dinner.

That's also due to China's "Lehman Moment" over Evergrande.
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The question now is how many Evergrande's does China have?

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 20, 2021 12:00 PM (/MaDp)

252 who are generally willing to compromise, don't want to appear biased or "extreme", and assume others are negotiating in good faith and are also willing to compromise. None of that on the other side is true, of course.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 20, 2021 11:54 AM (B2OlB)

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I witnessed that technique years ago at a townhall. This was during the Obamacare debate. Audience was seeded with people who, when called on, had a hard luck medical story to tell. I knew it was a scam, but, didn't realize it had a name.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at September 20, 2021 12:00 PM (ZTjb4)

253 "always has" - Congress has clear responsibility under the constitution to set its own internal rules, always has.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 20, 2021 12:00 PM (OTzUX)

254 >>This busty, freckled redhead is willing to show her significant cleavage if it will help strip amnesty out of the phony reconciliation bill. Or just in general. Whatever.
https://is.gd/IzwblG


You wanted a potato famine.
You would settle for German/Russian Diaspora.
You will get a Coup followed by an Earthquake in Haiti.

Posted by: garrett at September 20, 2021 12:00 PM (XCrPR)

255 "The Brave browser is really starting to piss me off."
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy


I quit using it, it was horrible.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 20, 2021 12:00 PM (4thlk)

256 Unions used to be anti-amnesty/immigration. Now they are all in, because they realize it will boost their numbers.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 12:00 PM (GQ5VU)

Sounds much like that religion out of Rome.

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 20, 2021 12:00 PM (yrol0)

257 Yeah pretty much. Dow is down 2% today. It's a big-ish move, but it's a move that happens 25 times a year, in either direction. It's not "nothing" but it's definitely not end of the world shit either the way so many people make it out to be.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 11:56 AM (GQ5VU)



Yeah, it's not good but it's not awful. Same when it goes up 700 points. Yay but it's not some amazing feat.

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at September 20, 2021 12:00 PM (mf5HN)

258 I am going to wait until end of month to rebalance. I try to keep my beta around .70 or so.
Posted by: rhennigantx

I repositioned to .63 last month. Felt right.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 20, 2021 12:01 PM (mD/uy)

259 Once amnesty is granted, the illegal aliens no longer need the Dems for anything.

Posted by: zmdavid at September 20, 2021 12:01 PM (xqRaG)

260 Are you enjoying your Restored Norms?

========

They are certainly making me feel morally superior.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 20, 2021 12:01 PM (LvTSG)

261 My investment strategy is really simple:

Dollar cost average the indexes, never panic sell, never panic buy. Which is why I give no fucks if the dow is up 700 or down 700 on any given day. In the long run, it doesn't matter.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 12:01 PM (GQ5VU)

262 Could any new laws enacted after the steal end up being null and void?

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 20, 2021 12:01 PM (T1fV4)

263 255 "The Brave browser is really starting to piss me off."
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy


I quit using it, it was horrible.
Posted by: lowandslow at September 20, 2021 12:00 PM (4thlk)

I love in on my Moto Android.

QUESTION I need a new phone and suggestions?

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 20, 2021 12:01 PM (yrol0)

264 65 I just intentionally farted.
____________

Stop trying to kill grandma, h8ter!

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at September 20, 2021 12:02 PM (k4dH2)

265 Unions used to be anti-amnesty/immigration. Now they are all in, because they realize it will boost their numbers.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 12:00 PM (GQ5VU)
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They are all in on it now because most of the labor force isn't unionized. The government is deeply unionized, but the rest of the economy isn't. Even big union sectors like manufacturing (especially automobiles) and trucking are no longer majority union. The remaining non-government unions are held in thrall by the Dems (choose your allies carefully, folks) and the government unions are just extensions of the State/Party Complex.

Amnesty and open borders are brutal on labor, and they all know it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2021 12:02 PM (DCdYk)

266 Posted by: rhennigantx at September 20, 2021 11:56 AM (yrol0)

What amuses me, being on Soc Sec now... is the SCREAMS that even $15 and hour is not a living wage...

When, the average Soc Sec payout per year is about $15K per year.... or HALF of that 'living wage"

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 20, 2021 12:02 PM (oHd/0)

267 230 Chinese company is gong under... affecting THEIR market.

not certain whether typo or racist stereotype.

Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at September 20, 2021 12:02 PM (GMkMZ)

268 Poll: Only 49% Think Joe Biden Is Mentally Stable Enough to Be President

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My lord, people have either had their brains sucked out by aliens, or they're just supporting the Puddin' Head Grifter Plagiarist Kiddie Sniffer Sexual Assaulter Ignoramus just because they voted for him and are blindly loyal leftists themselves. I think it's the latter, because even for them, it's impossible to overlook his mental incapacity.

We're such a down the line divided country now, that if Biden announced he wanted to mandate drilling 3 nostrils into everyone's face, he'd probably get 49%.

Posted by: Lady in Black at September 20, 2021 12:02 PM (O+I8R)

269 In the long run, it doesn't matter.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 12:01 PM (GQ5VU)

John Maynard Keynes: In the long run we are all dead.

IOW: Fuck the kids!

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 20, 2021 12:02 PM (yrol0)

270 BlackOrchid - no worries, I'll be getting fired, not shot, if my religious exemption isn't accepted. My point is just that we were not given adequate time or direction. Are they going to process all exemption requests in the next 3 weeks? Seems unlikely.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at September 20, 2021 12:02 PM (8548M)

271 259 Once amnesty is granted, the illegal aliens no longer need the Dems for anything.
Posted by: zmdavid at September 20, 2021 12:01 PM (xqRaG)

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Sure they will. They will need them for welfare, free health care, bilingual education for their kids, etc. Dems know they will have 20 million life long voters because they will provide them with all the freebies.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 12:03 PM (GQ5VU)

272 259 Once amnesty is granted, the illegal aliens no longer need the Dems for anything.
Posted by: zmdavid at September 20, 2021 12:01 PM (xqRaG)

I should add, especially the old, white ones. Like Biden, Pelosi and Schumer.

Posted by: zmdavid at September 20, 2021 12:03 PM (xqRaG)

273 And my dick is a tax.

Posted by: Zek's Covid Recovered Ass at September 20, 2021 12:03 PM (gIIG8)

274 259 Once amnesty is granted, the illegal aliens no longer need the Dems for anything.
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Sure they do. They need them to keep all the "free" shit that they came here for coming.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at September 20, 2021 12:03 PM (k4dH2)

275 Dollar cost average the indexes, never panic sell, never panic buy. Which is why I give no fucks if the dow is up 700 or down 700 on any given day. In the long run, it doesn't matter.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 12:01 PM (GQ5VU)

This guy gets it.

Posted by: I guess I'll tell them at September 20, 2021 12:03 PM (gxhY4)

276 I'm so sorry Mrs Peel

I hope they see sense and you avoid being fired.

give em hell either way!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 20, 2021 12:04 PM (j9HX3)

277 The reality is that we are witnessing the death of this country and we are not lifting a single fricking finger to save it.

I dont think its cowardice either, just not knowing what to do at this point. Voting wont work and anytime I suggest national divorce Im told Im a weenie who reads too many Kurt Schlichter novels.

Posted by: The Maskless Ranger at September 20, 2021 12:04 PM (KjO8q)

278 266 Posted by: rhennigantx at September 20, 2021 11:56 AM (yrol0)

What amuses me, being on Soc Sec now... is the SCREAMS that even $15 and hour is not a living wage...

When, the average Soc Sec payout per year is about $15K per year.... or HALF of that 'living wage"
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 20, 2021 12:02 PM (oHd/0)

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Well to be fair, if your only source of income in retirement is SS, you're doing it wrong. Personally I have planned my retirement strategy assuming $0 from SS. If I actually do get something, it will be a nice bonus.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 12:04 PM (GQ5VU)

279 @258 "I am going to wait until end of month to rebalance. I try to keep my beta around .70 or so.
Posted by: rhennigantx
I repositioned to .63 last month. Felt right."

I see something with a decimal and I automatically assume gub thread.

Posted by: Zek's Covid Recovered Ass at September 20, 2021 12:04 PM (gIIG8)

280 Asked whether he believed in eternal life, Macdonald told Larry King: "I don't believe it. I have faith. What people don't understand about faith is that you have to choose it."

Posted by: ... at September 20, 2021 12:05 PM (9pMsp)

281 There are no Social Security "Reserves".

That is pure accounting fiction.

They DO have some fancy IOUs of IOUs printed up, stored in a non-descript metal filing cabinet in Parkersburg, West Virginia. Really.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 20, 2021 12:05 PM (B2OlB)

282 Well to be fair, if your only source of income in retirement is SS, you're doing it wrong. Personally I have planned my retirement strategy assuming $0 from SS. If I actually do get something, it will be a nice bonus.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 12:04 PM (GQ5VU)

Same as my idea. Come July 2023, Lord willing, I will be driving whatever I can get for 2600 a month.

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 20, 2021 12:05 PM (yrol0)

283 I was watching the movie "Russia House" last night. The Russian girl, Michelle Pfeiffer, answers Sean Connery's puzzlement about why the stores aren't now well-stocked under Glasnost. "It's all incompetence and corruption," she says. Russia under Gorbachev. American under Biden. Six of one...

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 20, 2021 12:05 PM (H8QX8)

284 202 My peeps: at Dow 35K, 700 points is not a big deal. When Dow was 10K, yeah big deal. Now, it's kinda meh. But everyone is still kinda stuck in a 10K dow mentality.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 11:51 AM (GQ5VU)


THIS. But panicking is what Americans do best nowadays, huh?

Posted by: Justsayin' at September 20, 2021 12:05 PM (Fs5vw)

285 QUESTION I need a new phone and suggestions?
Posted by: rhennigantx


Only reason I'm going with Apple 13 Max Pro?
LEO capabilities. Low Earth Orbit satellites for service in the boonies. I get 50 yards away from the house and I have no cell service. Zero. Nada.
At least I would have internet service/calling like I do when I'm in the house. We have a serious 10 x 10 sq mile dead zone.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 20, 2021 12:06 PM (OCTRt)

286 Congress abandoning its job to an administrative state, being the big factors.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 20, 2021 11:59 AM (OTzUX)

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Yeah, it's long been obvious to me that Congress unconstitutionally ceded their law writing duty to government agencies. At least, it seems to me to be that way when government agencies write a regulation which is then enforced as if it were law.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at September 20, 2021 12:06 PM (ZTjb4)

287 267 230 Chinese company is gong under... affecting THEIR market.

not certain whether typo or racist stereotype.
Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at September 20, 2021 12:02 PM (GMkMZ)

Well, since I DO self describe meself, and admit fully, I AM a RAAAAACIST! (note the stylebook approved capitalization AND 5 A's)...

You see, I think the whole human race is pretty damn stupid, and am clearly prejudiced against them (beacuse as has been lately proven with Larry Elders, you can somehow be racist against your own race).

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 20, 2021 12:06 PM (oHd/0)

288 They DO have some fancy IOUs of IOUs printed up, stored in a non-descript metal filing cabinet in Parkersburg, West Virginia. Really.
Posted by: Common Tater at September 20, 2021 12:05 PM (B2OlB)

Go long in filing cabinets.

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 20, 2021 12:06 PM (yrol0)

289 The reality is that we are witnessing the death of this country and we are not lifting a single fricking finger to save it.

I dont think its cowardice either, just not knowing what to do at this point


I think the fact that we have no party of opposition to the Dem/Socialists AT ALL is hitting people hard. they don't want to believe it.

but it's clearly the case and we are getting NOTHING from the Rs as far as even a weaksauce attempt to stand up for the majority of Americans

what DO you do when you realize your govt hates you, there was a coup, and possibly you are now living in a vassal state of China or some Globalist cabal?

honestly I don't know

moving to a safer/better-minded place seems the best move right now but not everyone can do it

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 20, 2021 12:06 PM (j9HX3)

290 "At least I would have internet service/calling like I do when I'm in the house. We have a serious 10 x 10 sq mile dead zone."

Working on it.

Posted by: Bob at NSA at September 20, 2021 12:07 PM (gIIG8)

291 THIS. But panicking is what Americans do best nowadays, huh?
Posted by: Justsayin'

NO WE DON'T!!

*Runs off to buy another 3 years worth of TP*

Posted by: Tonypete at September 20, 2021 12:07 PM (mD/uy)

292 They are held as "special" non-marketable T-Bills

That just means they have to borrow the money at interest to pay your "benefits". Same as it ever was.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 20, 2021 12:07 PM (B2OlB)

293 MSNBC "Stephanie Ruhle Reports" host Stephanie Ruhle on Monday wondered where Vice President Kamala Harris has been regarding the ongoing crisis at the U.S.-Mexico border.

Posted by: SMOD at September 20, 2021 12:07 PM (RHGPo)

294 Friend, I'm calling on my STRONGEST supporters to join me in my charge to KEEP TEXAS RED.
The fact of the matter is, the left's ready to flip Texas BLUE. Democrats want nothing more than to implement their liberal agenda in Texas, and they're preparing to raise MILLIONS to do just that.
I know we can stop them, but only if patriots like YOU step up RIGHT NOW.
Friend, will you contribute ANY AMOUNT ASAP to help ensure we have the resources we need to KEEP TEXAS RED?
KEEP TEXAS RED
Remember, by contributing today, you'll join patriots across the nation who are working tirelessly to HALT Democrats' attempts to flip Texas BLUE.
YOU can make an impact, friend, so please don't let this opportunity pass.
KEEP TEXAS RED
Thank you,
Governor Greg Abbott


Every fucking day. Funny the ones that are actually doing something don't send me squat.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at September 20, 2021 12:07 PM (wAnMi)

295 One of the funniest SNL skits ever....

Lockbox!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDgRRVpemLo

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 12:07 PM (GQ5VU)

296 Totally off topic but it looks like ammo prices are starting to come down, at least in my area. Just bought a box of 50 Federal 9mm for $19.99 at Bass Pro. Higher than it used to be but still.

Posted by: Guzalot says FJB at September 20, 2021 12:07 PM (prSvo)

297 They DO have some fancy IOUs of IOUs printed up, stored in a non-descript metal filing cabinet in Parkersburg, West Virginia. Really.
Posted by: Common Tater at September 20, 2021 12:05 PM (B2OlB)

I pointed this out to my Mom about 20 years ago. She got very upset and said she had been lied to.

I said YEP!

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 20, 2021 12:08 PM (yrol0)

298 228 Does Vegas do odds on these things? I wonder what the odds of "passing it anyway" are.

my money's on "deeming it passed".

Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at September 20, 2021 12:08 PM (GMkMZ)

299 How long before Sonceria Berry, Secretary of the Senate, fires Elizabeth MacDonough?

Posted by: Braenyard at September 20, 2021 12:09 PM (yXf+h)

300 You want a tie-breaker? I'll give you a tie breaker you'll never forget.

Posted by: Eric Swallwell at September 20, 2021 12:09 PM (LaNzR)

301 I don't think this was the Bee, but it was Bee-worthy:

"Pfizer warns a third booster shot may be necessary for those who haven't died yet."

Posted by: t-bird at September 20, 2021 12:09 PM (l0Lgi)

302 People don't seem to realize that "amnesty" =/= citizenship in time to vote in the next election.

Smarter Dems absolutely do not want to go into 2022 mid-terms having just converted 15k Haitians living under a bridge in Texas into 5k immigrants living under EVERY bridge in the Southwest due to the passing of an amnesty bill on a party line vote.

Posted by: Match Checksout at September 20, 2021 12:09 PM (dYe5S)

303 299 How long before Sonceria Berry, Secretary of the Senate, fires Elizabeth MacDonough?
Posted by: Braenyard at September 20, 2021 12:09 PM (yXf+h)

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All important question: How would that affect the comity of the Senate?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 20, 2021 12:09 PM (LvTSG)

304 If the Dow falls how will our elites be able to trickle down on us? Will we have to give them more tax breaks?

Posted by: Kurt at September 20, 2021 12:09 PM (moeGz)

305 Hey, DOW down 842. Hey.

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 20, 2021 12:09 PM (/MaDp)

306 Tether has to remain stable because it is involved in most of the Bitcoin transactions (and maybe other crypto). A pump was attempted a couple of months before Evergrande became public (which was late July) and it was locked after just a few cents upwards.
Lots of whales are sweating right now. Evergrande is a big fucking deal because of the crypto markets and how exposed large global capital is exposed to said markets. Much of the FED and central banks funny money is parked in crypto as investments and to hide/keep inflation under control.
This is not 2008. It's much much worse.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at September 20, 2021 12:09 PM (5CY9V)

307 "I dont think its cowardice either, just not knowing what to do at this point."

We're totally leaderless. This may not be a terrible thing, as the wrong or illusionary leader right now could set us back. But we're trying to sort out a set of phenomenal challenges on our own.

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 20, 2021 12:09 PM (H8QX8)

308 293 MSNBC "Stephanie Ruhle Reports" host Stephanie Ruhle on Monday wondered where Vice President Kamala Harris has been regarding the ongoing crisis at the U.S.-Mexico border.
Posted by: SMOD at September 20, 2021 12:07 PM (RHGPo)


WELL SHE WASN'T IN EUROPE!

Posted by: blaster at September 20, 2021 12:10 PM (mbFEM)

309 305 Hey, DOW down 842. Hey.
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 20, 2021 12:09 PM (/MaDp)

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It'll be up 1,000 tomorrow.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 20, 2021 12:10 PM (LvTSG)

310 On January 31, 1940, the first monthly retirement check was issued to Ida May Fuller of Ludlow, Vermont, in the amount of $22.54. Miss Fuller, a Legal Secretary, retired in November 1939. She started collecting benefits in January 1940 at age 65 and lived to be 100 years old, dying in 1975.

Her rate of return for her 3 years on SS was a little over %1100 percent, compounded.

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 20, 2021 12:10 PM (yrol0)

311 I have to say that that particular push up and out bra and the arm pressing looked really uncomfortable. Maybe that's why she's not smiling, but hopefully she smiled when she saw the money and was wearing a more comfortable bra.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 20, 2021 12:10 PM (AJzTi)

312 308 293 MSNBC "Stephanie Ruhle Reports" host Stephanie Ruhle on Monday wondered where Vice President Kamala Harris has been regarding the ongoing crisis at the U.S.-Mexico border.
Posted by: SMOD at September 20, 2021 12:07 PM (RHGPo)

WELL SHE WASN'T IN EUROPE!
Posted by: blaster at September 20, 2021 12:10 PM (mbFEM)

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*please tell me she was at the Emmys*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 20, 2021 12:10 PM (LvTSG)

313 Smarter Dems absolutely do not want to go into 2022 mid-terms having just converted 15k Haitians living under a bridge in Texas into 5k immigrants living under EVERY bridge in the Southwest due to the passing of an amnesty bill on a party line vote.
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Can you name these smarter Dems?

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 20, 2021 12:10 PM (/MaDp)

314 >>>We have a serious 10 x 10 sq mile dead zone."
-

Wilson Signal Amplifier systems

Posted by: Braenyard at September 20, 2021 12:10 PM (yXf+h)

315 here are no Social Security "Reserves".

That is pure accounting fiction.

They DO have some fancy IOUs of IOUs printed up, stored in a non-descript metal filing cabinet in Parkersburg, West Virginia. Really.
Posted by: Common Tater at September 20, 2021 12:05 PM (B2OlB)
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lockbox, lockbox, blah blah blah.

Al Gore and George W. Bush in 2000.

Posted by: zmdavid at September 20, 2021 12:11 PM (xqRaG)

316 309 305 Hey, DOW down 842. Hey.
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 20, 2021 12:09 PM (/MaDp)

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It'll be up 1,000 tomorrow.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 20, 2021 12:10 PM (LvTSG)

___

But we have to panic for 24 hours.
- CNN, CNBC, FOX

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 12:11 PM (GQ5VU)

317 Ok. Now it's been more than a couple
Weeks out from those college football games with 100,000 plus kids without masks creaming their heads off.

I haven't heard the mass casualties.
Or the hospitals
Overrun with coeds.

Am
I missing something here?

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 20, 2021 12:11 PM (2BFQK)

318 Well to be fair, if your only source of income in retirement is SS, you're doing it wrong. Personally I have planned my retirement strategy assuming $0 from SS. If I actually do get something, it will be a nice bonus.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 20, 2021 12:04 PM (GQ5VU)

LOL, Soc Sec is nowhere near my only retirement income source.

But its going to be interesting when the old folks, WHO DO VOTE... realize some of these numbers.

Because they are, IMO, creating inflation in order to minimize Gov debt, by the little trick where actual inflation is much greater than their gerrymandered Cost of Living Index (which Soc Sec and Retirement increases are tied to).

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 20, 2021 12:11 PM (oHd/0)

319 >>>Smarter Dems absolutely do not want to go into 2022 mid-terms having just converted 15k Haitians living under a bridge in Texas into 5k immigrants living under EVERY bridge in the Southwest due to the passing of an amnesty bill on a party line vote.

Posted by: Match Checksout


No, but they already have enough problems with mandated vaxxing, Afghanistan, the economy, etc. I think THEY think these are winning strategies with their base, plus they're all in for another steal.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 20, 2021 12:11 PM (XSRBF)

320
They DO have some fancy IOUs of IOUs printed up, stored in a non-descript metal filing cabinet in Parkersburg, West Virginia. Really.
Posted by: Common Tater


Is that the lock box?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 20, 2021 12:11 PM (63Dwl)

321 >>I haven't heard the mass casualties.
Or the hospitals
Overrun with coeds.

Am
I missing something here?


The Missoula Press is up in arms because...

there are 46 cases in the Hospital!

Posted by: garrett at September 20, 2021 12:12 PM (XCrPR)

322 QUESTION I need a new phone and suggestions?
Posted by: rhennigantx

Only reason I'm going with Apple 13 Max Pro?
LEO capabilities. Low Earth Orbit satellites for service in the boonies. I get 50 yards away from the house and I have no cell service. Zero. Nada.
At least I would have internet service/calling like I do when I'm in the house. We have a serious 10 x 10 sq mile dead zone.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 20, 2021 12:06 PM (OCTRt)


I'm hoping to limp along on my iPhone 10 until the PinePhone is up to speed. Nothing would make me happier than to finally dump google/apple in a big way. When I got the iPhone (I used to have a new phone annually when we were developing our app) I went that way because they seemed the lesser of 2 evils. Crawling through my image library to find CP is near google levels of intrusiveness.

Speaking of which - I'm going to be trying out a security camera system by Anker (Euphy) that isn't owned by one of the 3, and is non-subscription. Looks pretty cool and bang for the buck. I'll be reporting here on it once it's been running for a few weeks.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at September 20, 2021 12:12 PM (wAnMi)

323 I noticed that some poll is claiming "Matthew McConaghey is ahead of Abbott!!!" This happens every freakin' election in state after state. The unknown kinda popular face who has never made any political statements or decisions always looks good - until the minute he decides to actually run and starts to get questions, at which point his support collapses. I remember Kinky Friedman's run in 2006 - in early polls he was way ahead, he ended up getting 10% of the vote that year. Same thing happens to all of these flashes in the pan.

I think the Dems are going to nominate Beto, and run on his "I'm coming to every house to confiscate your guns!!!" pledge.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 20, 2021 12:12 PM (trdmm)

324 *please tell me she was at the Emmys*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 20, 2021 12:10 PM (LvTSG)


No. She was tossing a coin at Howard v Hampton "Truth and Service" football game.

Posted by: blaster at September 20, 2021 12:13 PM (mbFEM)

325 So how did the Emmy's work out without Andy Cuomo?

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 20, 2021 12:14 PM (/MaDp)

326 268 Poll: Only 49% Think Joe Biden Is Mentally Stable Enough to Be President
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Minus the 33% always and forever Left = 16% of voters the can be influenced. (mushy middle)

Posted by: Braenyard at September 20, 2021 12:14 PM (yXf+h)

327 Saw this comment just now in the comments section of an "article" in the S.F. Chronicle:

"The protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that has failed to protect the protected."

Heh

Posted by: SFGoth at September 20, 2021 12:14 PM (KAi1n)

328 >>>Can you name these smarter Dems?
Posted by: Puddin Head

Pelosi, Manchin, Sinema, and the 10-ish other Dem senators that will not bother trying to overturn the Senate parliamentarian on this point even if they go on MSNBC to rail against it.

Posted by: Match Checksout at September 20, 2021 12:14 PM (dYe5S)

329 328 >>>Can you name these smarter Dems?
Posted by: Puddin Head

Pelosi, Manchin, Sinema, and the 10-ish other Dem senators that will not bother trying to overturn the Senate parliamentarian on this point even if they go on MSNBC to rail against it.
Posted by: Match Checksout at September 20, 2021 12:14 PM (dYe5S)

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Democrats do failure theater too.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 20, 2021 12:14 PM (LvTSG)

330 313 Smarter Dems absolutely do not want to go into 2022 mid-terms
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Why? Are the smarter Dems the ones that haven't been told it's all rigged?

Posted by: ... at September 20, 2021 12:15 PM (9pMsp)

331 "I dont think its cowardice either, just not knowing what to do at this point."

--

This is what I think. It's overwhelming and coming from all directions. Without a political party in DC representing half the country, we're out here on our own. We can't even connect in meaningful ways via "social media" because it's anything but. Voices are being shut down, doors for communication are closing, and it's getting pretty dark for us. I think there are millions of men, American men, who are not cowards and would fight for this country. But now we're just trying to recover from the stun gun the left is putting to our bodies every, single day.

Posted by: Lady in Black at September 20, 2021 12:15 PM (O+I8R)

332 Here's some anti-amnesty for you. Photos of US border enforcement on horseback over the weekend, with herding and roping.

I suppose the gist of the article is supposed to be "Oh how awful, those BP treating those poor migrants like cattle." Personally, I'm hearing "Yipee ti ti yo, git along you little dogies, it's your misfortune and none of my own."

Posted by: Oddbob at September 20, 2021 12:15 PM (nfrXX)

333 Every time they say "border crisis" they are reinforcing the narrative and gas lighting us.
There is no "border crisis" --which implies an out of control, unintended and incompetently-handled situation.

We have had a long-term plan, and process, of electoral replacement/diluation, being successfully executed and accellerated. And to be clear, it is not replacement of "whites" (which is factually true, but incidental) but preferential immigration for the socialist and non/anti American value Third World.

And for every "undocumented" person now (probably a million-plus this year) there is a known, multiplier effect by anchor babies and chain migration visas.

Even (especially) Fox goes on about the "crisis" and Kamala's "incompetence." Fekkers all.

Posted by: Zek at September 20, 2021 12:15 PM (gIIG8)

334 Hey, DOW down 842. Hey.
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 20, 2021 12:09 PM (/MaDp)

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It'll be up 1,000 tomorrow.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 20, 2021 12:10 PM (LvTSG)


I need to pull some money out because life is being extra lifey right now and all this means is okay don't call my guy today, wait until Wednesday when it's gone back up.

The only extent to which I try to time the market is to see if there is a decent size downward move before I call and if so, then I wait a few days and it's nearly always either back to where it was or it's higher.

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at September 20, 2021 12:15 PM (mf5HN)

335 Here's some anti-amnesty for you. Photos of US border enforcement on horseback over the weekend, with herding and roping.


Looks like the Border Patrol went and worked up an ol' Number Six on them.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 20, 2021 12:16 PM (jOcSX)

336 >>>I'm going to be trying out a security camera system by Anker (Euphy) that isn't owned by one of the 3, and is non-subscription. ...
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead
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Own a couple of Anker products, they work and have not failed in five years.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 20, 2021 12:16 PM (yXf+h)

337 Every fucking day. Funny the ones that are actually doing something don't send me squat.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at September 20, 2021 12:07 PM (wAnMi)

Typical. Instead of going out there every day shaking up the Left and inspiring his base as a leader, he's playing it safe, while the Leftist is unabashedly appealing to his own base and slowly gaining ground on him. And the whining appeals for funds will just get more desperate, i.e., "look at the trouble we're in, help..."

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 20, 2021 12:16 PM (H8QX8)

338 334 The only extent to which I try to time the market is to see if there is a decent size downward move before I call and if so, then I wait a few days and it's nearly always either back to where it was or it's higher.
Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at September 20, 2021 12:15 PM (mf5HN)

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Because the stock market has nothing to do with economic reality and is just an inflation machine.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 20, 2021 12:16 PM (LvTSG)

339 Every fucking day. Funny the ones that are actually doing something don't send me squat.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at September 20, 2021 12:07 PM (wAnMi)

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That one was a helluva lot longer than the one's that keep getting to me. I guess I can expect this pleading will get worse.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at September 20, 2021 12:17 PM (TNyrE)

340 338 334 The only extent to which I try to time the market is to see if there is a decent size downward move before I call and if so, then I wait a few days and it's nearly always either back to where it was or it's higher.
Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at September 20, 2021 12:15 PM (mf5HN)

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Because the stock market has nothing to do with economic reality and is just an inflation machine.
-------------------
I am noticing some early short covering going on. Right now might be a good time to jump in. Remember, I said might.

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 20, 2021 12:18 PM (/MaDp)

341 So how did the Emmy's work out without Andy Cuomo?

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 20, 2021 12:14 PM (/MaDp)

Did he die quietly or sumpin?...fall off the face of the earf?

Posted by: BignJames at September 20, 2021 12:18 PM (AwYPR)

342 No, that's not the lockbox. They are held as "special" T-Bills. Special in that they are non-marketable T-Bills.

This means they aren't good for anything, near as I can tell.

They were printed up, is my understanding, as some crank kept calling up the Bureau of Public Debt and asking where the lockbox was, or where the Social Security money was being held, and they couldn't explain ledger book entries to him. So they printed them up.

Up until 1968, they did keep Social Security revenues out of the general budget figures. Congress passed the "Unified" budget act, or somesuch. So it made the numbers (deficits) look a lot better, at least temporarily. That was the first time that Sallie Mae or was it Fannie Mae, was unleashed, too. I think the 2008 debacle was actually sloppy seconds passed onto the hapless taxpayer, though nobody noticed it or commented at the time. Privatise profits, socialize losses. Over and over. Rinse, lather repeat.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 20, 2021 12:19 PM (B2OlB)

343 271 259 Once amnesty is granted, the illegal aliens no longer need the Dems for anything.
Posted by: zmdavid at September 20, 2021 12:01 PM (xqRaG)
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Sure they will. They will need them for welfare,
----------------------

These people know nothing.
They were born in a welfare state and for them this is an opportunity to move to a superior welfare state.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 20, 2021 12:19 PM (yXf+h)

344 I haven't paid attention to the Emmys for about 25 years and barely cared before that, however I see that Jessie Buckley (psycho nurse in the latest season of Fargo) wasn't even nominated.

I made a mental note to check if she won anything because she was beyond magnificent.

So whatever joke the Emmys ever were, they are clearly a bigger joke now.

Posted by: ... at September 20, 2021 12:20 PM (9pMsp)

345 Another thing about the Social Security IOUs is that in enabled Newt Gingrich and Bill Clinton to pretend they balanced the budget. Because back then, Social Security was piling up those IOUs and the government counted them as revenue, but now they're spending them.

The only way the budget balanced that way is if you never have to pay back the IOUs, and stiff all the Social Security recipients.

Posted by: zmdavid at September 20, 2021 12:20 PM (xqRaG)

346 331 "I dont think its cowardice either, just not knowing what to do at this point."
--
This is what I think. It's overwhelming and coming from all directions. Without a political party in DC representing half the country, we're out here on our own.

We're in much the same shape - well, even worse shape than the French Resistance during WW2. We have nowhere near the strength or organization or leadership to overthrow the occupying regime - and even those parts of the government that pretend to be for us are just Vichy French all over again. full time collaborators and informers.

So what to do? All that can be done is to bide our time and wait until something big happens to destabilize this government. I don't know what it will be, but it will happen, they way they are running things guarantees it. There will be some black swan, sometime, somewhere, and what we can do is to sit tight and prepare, and be ready to take advantage when the moment comes.

kinda like the old gospel song, "Keep your lamps trimmed and burning"

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 20, 2021 12:20 PM (trdmm)

347
She was tossing a coin at Howard v Hampton "Truth and Service" football game.
Posted by: blaster


At Howard versus Hampton hurricanes hardly happen.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 20, 2021 12:20 PM (63Dwl)

348 As has been said; If you're in the stock market you better be in it for the long haul. I'm down about 2 percent or $20K which pisses me off, but doesn't bother me enough to call my advisor and pitch a fit. He knows to buy what's worthwhile now when it's down vs. a panic sell of the good shit.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 20, 2021 12:21 PM (BFigT)

349 Own a couple of Anker products, they work and have not failed in five years.
Posted by: Braenyard at September 20, 2021 12:16 PM (yXf+h)


Everything I've got from them is top quality. I was unaware of their camera systems - but it's been at least 3 years since I last looked. It works with their own standalone software, but of course you can use goolag/amazon/apple with it if you want. I'll do anything to avoid this subscription garbage. Nothing like spending a fortune on hardware, and then *still* having to pay them for a fully functional app and storage. Love that you can either run batteries, solar or hard wire the cameras. They claim 365 days on the battery, but even if it's a month and a half I'm fine with that. Biggest downside is their website is pretty information free.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at September 20, 2021 12:22 PM (wAnMi)

350 The only extent to which I try to time the market is to see if there is a decent size downward move before I call and if so, then I wait a few days and it's nearly always either back to where it was or it's higher.
Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at September 20, 2021 12:15 PM (mf5HN)


Basically, if a no brainer like say AMZN goes down 10% or more, I'd buy.

I try not to buy on upswings, though I violated that rule recently with UPST. The numbers looked to good.

Please DO NOT take this as advice or follow me. Cuz it's not. I'm an idiot. And a very small, teeny, tiny, itty, bitty investor. So, you know, don't be stupid.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 20, 2021 12:22 PM (Xo5lP)

351 Is 'means testing' still in the soup?

Posted by: davidt at September 20, 2021 12:22 PM (N/iqz)

352 I saw where Mcconnell and McCarthy held a joint news conference to announce that they would us all means at their disposal to oppose the
left. Then I woke up.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 20, 2021 12:22 PM (kTF2Z)

353 Sure the dems wanted to put this on paper, but the border remains wide open. At least half the country is intent on committing national suicide. These illegal aliens are gonna be bummed once it all crashes down and we are also a third world hell hole.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 20, 2021 12:22 PM (r+sAi)

354 Time was we had robust mechanisms of assimilation in this country. Not only a hard-edged marketplace (speak English to rise economically) but civics in schools, and a confident ruling class and prevailing culture that reinforced the goodness of this country, and that there is such a thing as the American way of life worth living.

Today we have an influx at levels of early 20th century, with none of these mechanisms, or really anti-assimilation mechanisms at all levels.

It's like saying we always made pizzas, so don't mind if we just leave out the dough and dump a bunch of melted goo in your hands. Really, it's just the same.

Posted by: Zek at September 20, 2021 12:22 PM (gIIG8)

355 I may get flamed for this, but it wouldn't break my heart if a thingy got dropped on the southern border.

Posted by: Infidel at September 20, 2021 12:23 PM (Kx3kq)

356
These people know nothing.
They were born in a welfare state and for them this is an opportunity to move to a superior welfare state.

--

"And if you don't vote for Democrats, the Republicans will cut off your money and benefits, and even send you back to your country! So vote Democrat forever!
REEEEE!"

Posted by: Lady in Black at September 20, 2021 12:23 PM (O+I8R)

357 what we can do is to sit tight and prepare, and be ready to take advantage when the moment comes.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 20, 2021 12:20 PM (trdmm)

Getting organized might be a first step before "the moment comes." How to is the big question.

Posted by: Ziba at September 20, 2021 12:23 PM (S1hrL)

358 I just put Reolink at the house. Data is stored locally on a DVR, but can still be accessed from anywhere.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 20, 2021 12:23 PM (mdgQ7)

359 355 I may get flamed for this, but it wouldn't break my heart if a thingy got dropped on the southern border.
Posted by: Infidel


That's a terrible thing to say.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 20, 2021 12:23 PM (5rVgw)

360 At Howard versus Hampton hurricanes hardly happen.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 20, 2021 12:20 PM (63Dwl)

No, no no. It's:

"At 'oward versus 'ampton, 'urricanes 'ardly hever 'appen."

Posted by: Boswell at September 20, 2021 12:24 PM (5iUNf)

361 Mitch is totally appalled with this ruling

Posted by: REDACTED at September 20, 2021 12:24 PM (uCLWI)

362 just seen on Gab and mostly relevant to the "why aren't we doing anything about the collapse" thing:

"we are tired of seeing Pelosi, Schumer, and Biden in power, we need Rubio, Lindsay Graham, Dan Crenshaw, and Mitch McConnell in the driver's seat!! Patriots rise up"

- Cornelius Rye, being very sarcastic

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 20, 2021 12:24 PM (j9HX3)

363 Because the stock market has nothing to do with economic reality and is just an inflation machine.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 20, 2021 12:16 PM (LvTSG)

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And congress wrote laws favoring putting money into the stock market, rather than good old fashioned savings accounts.

I wonder if Wall Street executives ever sweat at the thought of the public ever figuring out the scam?

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at September 20, 2021 12:24 PM (ZTjb4)

364 Typical. Instead of going out there every day shaking up the Left and inspiring his base as a leader, he's playing it safe, while the Leftist is unabashedly appealing to his own base and slowly gaining ground on him. And the whining appeals for funds will just get more desperate, i.e., "look at the trouble we're in, help..."
Posted by: Ordinary American at September 20, 2021 12:16 PM (H8QX


I half expect him to start stealing Beto's shtick soon. Here he's been handed a crisis, and he could actually look like he's doing something - besides wringing his hands and asking for handouts to save the state. Can only imagine what a DeSantis would do in this situation.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at September 20, 2021 12:24 PM (wAnMi)

365 Once illegals are citizens, they can vote for Communists if they want, no need for the Democrats anymore.

Posted by: zmdavid at September 20, 2021 12:24 PM (xqRaG)

366 No, that's not the lockbox. They are held as "special" T-Bills. Special in that they are non-marketable T-Bills.

The federal government buys its own IOUs and then spends the proceeds of the sale. And when those IOUs come due, they sell more IOUs to themselves to repay themselves. If you or I tried a scam like that, we'd be in Club Fed in a New York minute.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 20, 2021 12:24 PM (nfrXX)

367 @355
Was that you selling blankets in El Paso?

Posted by: Zek at September 20, 2021 12:25 PM (gIIG8)

368 That's a terrible thing to say.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 20, 2021 12:23 PM (5rVgw)

Don't be so judgy

Posted by: ... at September 20, 2021 12:25 PM (9pMsp)

369 Police are at the scene of Heritage High School in Newport News for reports of a shooting.

Newport News Police confirm that two people were taken to the hospital with "gunshot wounds that are not believed to be life-threatening."

Police also say that reports of active shooters at other Newport News schools are false.

Posted by: SMOD at September 20, 2021 12:25 PM (RHGPo)

370 I wonder if Wall Street executives ever sweat at the thought of the public ever figuring out the scam?


nah they all have private planes at the ready

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 20, 2021 12:25 PM (j9HX3)

371 School shooting newport news va

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at September 20, 2021 12:25 PM (ySQBZ)

372 So what to do? All that can be done is to bide our time and wait until something big happens to destabilize this government. I don't know what it will be, but it will happen, they way they are running things guarantees it. There will be some black swan, sometime, somewhere, and what we can do is to sit tight and prepare, and be ready to take advantage when the moment comes.

kinda like the old gospel song, "Keep your lamps trimmed and burning"

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 20, 2021 12:20 PM (trdmm)

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We need a leader who will "unite the clans" and force that destabilization. The alternative will certainly involve mass suffering and death -- mostly on our side.

I wish I was a multi-billionaire; I don't have the charisma to lead it, but I'd certainly fund it ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Unauthorized Freedom Exhibitionist at September 20, 2021 12:25 PM (JmC1y)

373 @369
"Police also say that reports of everything in the MSM are false."

Posted by: Edited for accuracy at September 20, 2021 12:26 PM (gIIG8)

374 Imma terrible person,

Posted by: Infidel at September 20, 2021 12:26 PM (Kx3kq)

375 Just saw a piece about Sinema maybe standing up against the giant spending bill. Regardless of how this plays out, it's always fun to note the liberal dem Sinema is far more conservative - and a better senator! - then either Jeff Flake or John McCain ever were.

I'm not saying she's conservative, it's just a measure of the depth of mendacity to which McCain and Flake had both sunk.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 20, 2021 12:26 PM (trdmm)

376
Is 'means testing' still in the soup?
Posted by: davidt


How will they measure 'means?'

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 20, 2021 12:27 PM (63Dwl)

377 Ponzi schemes are illegal. Unless you call it social security.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I Help Ya Help Ya Help Ya Variant at September 20, 2021 12:27 PM (pM+lA)

378 Nood

Posted by: Deep State 910 at September 20, 2021 12:27 PM (HwtiA)

379 Nood. Emmys.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 20, 2021 12:27 PM (m+jkK)

380 I'm starting to think that Ron Klain wont even run for a second term

Posted by: REDACTED at September 20, 2021 12:27 PM (uCLWI)

381 Well if we Defund the Police we will see our taxes drop and we can kill whomever we want.

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 20, 2021 12:27 PM (/MaDp)

382 372 We need a leader who will "unite the clans" and force that destabilization. The alternative will certainly involve mass suffering and death -- mostly on our side.

I wish I was a multi-billionaire; I don't have the charisma to lead it, but I'd certainly fund it ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Unauthorized Freedom Exhibitionist at September 20, 2021 12:25 PM (JmC1y)

=========

Robert: Does anyone know his politics?

Craig: No, but his weight with the commoners can unbalance everything. The Balliols will kiss his ass so we must.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 20, 2021 12:27 PM (LvTSG)

383 370 I wonder if Wall Street executives ever sweat at the thought of the public ever figuring out the scam?


Oops... market correction sorry about your IRA.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 20, 2021 12:27 PM (mdgQ7)

384 I may get flamed for this, but it wouldn't break my heart if a thingy got dropped on the southern border.
Posted by: Infidel


Not necessary. An A-10 and >60 seconds would be plenty. Hell, just strafe the porta-potties. Blue and brown mist as scraps of plastic fall from the sky and they'd be heading south in no time.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at September 20, 2021 12:27 PM (wAnMi)

385 Up until Clinton the maturing debt was at least somewhat spread out. They "refinanced" it to make it look good, at prevailing low interest rates.

The entire national debt rolls over about every 4 years! All of it.

If interest rates rise, it is GAME OVER, near as I can tell. Even historical norms of 4 to 5 percent. Every dollar would go simply to pay interest. Nothing for anything else. No social security. No spending on military. Nothing.

At least that's what it appeared 10 or 12 years ago. I doubt the government financial position has improved since then.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 20, 2021 12:27 PM (B2OlB)

386 Gen. Scott Miller, who commanded U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan until July, told committee members he had informed Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley and U.S. Central Command chief Gen. Frank McKenzie he was "opposed to the total withdrawal," Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) said.

"We heard enough to know that there are inconsistencies between what the administration has said and the truth," Inhofe added at a news conference with committee Republicans. "Clearly, President Biden didn't listen to all the military advice given."

Posted by: SMOD at September 20, 2021 12:28 PM (RHGPo)

387 That's a terrible thing to say.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 20, 2021 12:23 PM (5rVgw)

Don't be so judgy

==

Nurse can't catch a break when saying that phrase. Maybe switch to 'turrible' to indicate the inside joke?

Posted by: Lady in Black at September 20, 2021 12:28 PM (O+I8R)

388 369 Police are at the scene of Heritage High School in Newport News for reports of a shooting.

Newport News Police confirm that two people were taken to the hospital with "gunshot wounds that are not believed to be life-threatening."

Police also say that reports of active shooters at other Newport News schools are false.

Posted by: SMOD at September 20, 2021 12:25 PM
Been a long time since I was stationed in the Tidewater area, but did 'Heritage' high school used to be 'Some Confederate Hero' High School?

Posted by: Eromero at September 20, 2021 12:28 PM (0OP+5)

389 371 School shooting newport news va

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at September 20, 2021 12:25 PM (ySQBZ)

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Stunned that it took this long ... I've been predicting this since The Steal as the pretext to go full Australia and destroy the Second Amendment.

Here we go ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Unauthorized Freedom Exhibitionist at September 20, 2021 12:28 PM (JmC1y)

390 I need to pull some money out because life is being extra lifey right now and all this means is okay don't call my guy today, wait until Wednesday when it's gone back up.

The only extent to which I try to time the market is to see if there is a decent size downward move before I call and if so, then I wait a few days and it's nearly always either back to where it was or it's higher.

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at September 20, 2021 12:15 PM (mf5HN)



Alex: Your guy should be able, no matter the date or status of the market, be able to identify particular past investments that are 'best withdrawals' from a tax perspective. When we were building our house, we worked with our investor, who did a series of withdrawals for that purpose. Each of these was based on the net gain, so as to reduce our immediate tax burden. Granted, there will be impacts when we get to retirement, but those will be a smaller concern.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at September 20, 2021 12:28 PM (QDEj3)

391 Upthread:

Astounding that 49% think Biden is fit to be Pres.

Fake poll, right?

Posted by: Ziba at September 20, 2021 12:29 PM (S1hrL)

392 Obviously, you've never witnessed a fully weaponized use of Roberts Rules of Order. It's a thing of beauty when used correctly.
Posted by: Notsothoreau
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You are speaking out of order, you have not been recognized by the Chair.

Posted by: The Chair at September 20, 2021 12:29 PM (ywM9T)

393 The COVID "6 foot rule" is akin to the distancing rule at Catholic school dances .. "enough room for the Holy Spirit"

Posted by: SMOD at September 20, 2021 12:30 PM (RHGPo)

394
Astounding that 49% think Biden is fit to be Pres.

Fake poll, right?
Posted by: Ziba at September 20, 2021 12:29 PM (S1hrL)

all polls are fake these days, even ones that we like. It's all just clickbait for the electronically addicted. None of them mean anything.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 20, 2021 12:31 PM (trdmm)

395 Not necessary. An A-10 and >60 seconds would be plenty.

As they say in the military..."what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except an A-10. It f*cking kills you."

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 20, 2021 12:31 PM (H8QX8)

396 School shooting -- great timing. Yeah, we need another distraction from the insanity called Biden.

Posted by: Ziba at September 20, 2021 12:31 PM (S1hrL)

397 The Senate Parliamentarian did not commit suicide.

Posted by: Next Week's Meme at September 20, 2021 12:32 PM (SmFPm)

398 Robert: Does anyone know his politics?

Craig: No, but his weight with the commoners can unbalance everything. The Balliols will kiss his ass so we must.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding religion in the USSR with Andrei at September 20, 2021 12:27 PM (LvTSG)

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Nice! My favorite film ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Unauthorized Freedom Exhibitionist at September 20, 2021 12:32 PM (JmC1y)

399 NASDAQ down 398. Ouch.

Posted by: Ziba at September 20, 2021 12:33 PM (S1hrL)

400 Nurse can't catch a break when saying that phrase. Maybe switch to 'turrible' to indicate the inside joke?
Posted by: Lady in Black at September 20, 2021 12:28 PM (O+I8R)

I was kidding.

Posted by: ... at September 20, 2021 12:34 PM (Zan64)

401 393 The COVID "6 foot rule" is akin to the distancing rule at Catholic school dances .. "enough room for the Holy Spirit"
Posted by: SMOD at September 20, 2021 12:30 PM

Can the Holy Spirit dance on the head of a pin?

Posted by: Important Theological Questions at September 20, 2021 12:34 PM (SmFPm)

402 Obviously, you've never witnessed a fully weaponized use of Roberts Rules of Order. It's a thing of beauty when used correctly.
Posted by: Notsothoreau
--------

You are speaking out of order, you have not been recognized by the Chair.
Posted by: The Chair


Hilarious. We don't recognize the chair.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 20, 2021 12:38 PM (OCTRt)

403 WTF?? There are 50 Repubs, 48 Democommies, and 2 "Independants" How is it that Schemer and the commies run the senate? If Bernie and the asswipe from Maine will not admit to being Commiecrats, why did McConjob fold like damp kleenex? Anybody ask that worthless POS about that?
Just curious....

Posted by: jesse in dc at September 20, 2021 12:56 PM (kTRt4)

404 "At 'oward versus 'ampton, 'urricanes 'ardly hever 'appen."

And you could use 'osting for versus.

Posted by: t-bird at September 20, 2021 01:06 PM (CTJwJ)

405 McCarthyConnell has a sad today.

Posted by: Capital Eff at September 20, 2021 01:19 PM (dynG0)

406 Never overestimate the loyalty of McConnell, Romney, Murchison, or Collins.

Posted by: Mike Morgan at September 20, 2021 02:07 PM (lrLl2)

407 The Lefturds have always hated America and wish to destroy it. In 20 years it will be Austria-Hungary with the same destiny.

Posted by: Harry at September 20, 2021 05:09 PM (EcD5Y)

408 Biden is altering the deal. Pray he doesn't alter it any further.

Posted by: ChrisW at September 20, 2021 08:14 PM (zFMsi)

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