Gun Thread: Sunday Evening Edition!

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Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Welp, with the weather cooperating, guess who headed down to the farm this weekend? Go ahead! Guess! Yup, your 'ol pal Weasel headed to the farm for the weekend. I needed to do some mowing and some other chores, and finally do some shooting! You may recall one of the raffle prizes at the NoVaMoMe in July was a Dream Date with Weasel for a day of shooting at WeaselAcres. Our pal and Gun Thread regular, Thicc Boi won the raffle, and we were able to get together this weekend. The weather was favorable, and I took several guns down with me. The fun will be over by the time you read this, and we will have a full range report next week!

With that, let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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So last week we started a discussion on negligent and accidental discharges. There is an arguably fine difference between the two, with the end result of a gun being discharged when you aren't expecting it to fire. We can debate this until the cows come home, but at the end of the day, suffice it to say this is something to be avoided. How, you ask? Well, treating every gun as being loaded until you have verified it is not is a great start. Let's look at some other causes in this video sent in by our pal CBD.

So what do you think? Anything to add?

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First up, our new pal and delightful 'ette TecumsehTea poked her head in last week and mentioned she was headed to the range, and this week we have her first range report!

First I'd like to thank everyone who encouraged me last week. I’ve been a lurker at AOS for about 6 years but it wasn't 'til Covid hit that I actually worked up the nerve to comment. I don't comment often; I can't keep up with you guys. I wasn't sure about even saying anything about going for training Monday, but I'm glad I did. The kind words meant a lot.

The trainer is a woman, former military. Very no-nonsense. We got right to it, going over how to hold my pistol etc. Turns out everything my hubs told me (from his trainer, but a different range) was wrong. So all the things I'd been practicing I have to unlearn. We did classroom stuff and then she took me to the range. We worked on my stance and grip again, but when it was time to actually shoot I was very hesitant. She asked me if I would like her to shoot first, so she did. I'm glad she did because this is the first time I've ever seen a gun be shot. It's loud. Then I shot the remaining 7 rounds. The noise didn't startle me at all, after that first shot. I was concentrating so hard on stance, grip and pulling the trigger I'm not sure I even heard the gunshots.

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The hour was exhausting. I used to be pro gun control, way back in my 20's (62 now), and though I have learned the error of my ways and I am very, very pro 2A and personal protection, it's one thing to be in favor of a thing and something else to DO that thing. Or maybe I just over-think everything.

I was very hesitant to go, fearing I would somehow fail. I didn't know what to expect, of the experience or myself. I'm glad to have this first training behind me. I'm sending a photo of the target. It was at the closest distance, I think 5 yards. I was shooting a S&W EZ 9mm.

Nicely done, TecumsehTea! Very nicely done! Thank you for sending this in and again, welcome to the Gun Thread. I am very happy you came out of the shadows of lurkerdom and joined the conversation. I hope you will continue to share your journey becoming a gun nut with us, because you are off to a great start. Nice shooting!

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Next, our pal The RealMc sends a report on his experiences with a .22LR conversion kit.

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Greetings fellow gun threaders. Thought it would be worth sharing my recent conversion kit experience.

In light of the scarcity of ammo and the price of lead seemingly surpassing the value of gold and also a strong desire to keep plinking I decided to try a .223/5.56 conversion kit for a couple of AR platforms me and the missus own, one S&W M&P 15, and one Sig Sauer both chambered per the manufacturers stamp in .223/5.56. Honestly, I was skeptical because well, I trust no one when it comes to these sorts of things, but the price was not something I could pass on based on my own research. I recommend you also do your own.

I purchased 2 CMMG 22LR AR Conversion Kit, Bravo, w/3 Magazines for a lot less than the price shown because, well, I know a guy. The 3 magazines are 25 rounds each and with 3 enough to go squirrel plinking for an hour or three out in our back 30.

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I opened the packages and was firing rounds in less than 2 minutes. It took a few seconds to spray the bolt and carrier with some oil because they were packaged dry, other than that, it is so simple you can do the "conversion" in the dark in only a few seconds. That consisted of removing one bolt carrier and swapping in the conversion bolt carrier. I also used the same charging handle. The magazine with these kits fit right into the existing magazine well as the .223/5.56.

I fired to different types of .22 LR. Regular Remington .22LR hollow point rounds and then some CCI Quiet .22LR. The CCI ammo requires that you manually cycle the action because of the lower velocity of the round and in my experience in a rifle they are at least as quiet as a pellet gun. Both rounds are as accurate as any .22LR I have ever fired using the platforms described. I marked and will use the same bolt in the same rifle and while one could, I personally prefer not to swap them out between rifles unless necessary.

Seems like a great way to save on ammo! Anyone else considering a conversion kit? Thank you, The RealMc!

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Next up we hear from our pal Sua Sponte on .22LR and 9mm tests with recommendations.

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This is a continuation of the SAR9 I purchased a few months back. It was a turn in I purchased for about $245, came with two 17 round magazines and three sets of backstraps, they've been retailing in and around $330 NIB. I had been looking for a decent pistol to carry while working on the property, but didn't want anything too exorbitant as I expected it to get knocked around while I worked. So far I've put about 500 round through it and haven't had one issue, running several types of ammo to include HP and steel. The only ammo that gave me issues was the Federal Syntec. The nose coating kept hanging up on the ramp. Other than that, it's ran everything I put in it. IN the hand it's very reminiscent of an H&K VP9, most likely that where the design came from. The angle of the grip and the palm swell gives a really good solid contact with the entire hand. The heavy recoil spring makes follow up shots pretty smooth, but the heavy trigger pull takes a little getting used to. I put my pull gauge on it and it averages about 7lbs, a bit much for a striker fired. A couple of companies offer upgrade kits to reduce the trigger pull and will more than likely take that route. It's got a nice long slide that makes acquiring the target smooth and the sights are up-gradable also, another item on the list. I like the blade safety on the trigger, which also has an indicator that the pistol is charged, but not a big fan of the manual safety, which is ambidextrous. The only upgrade I've done at this point is a magazine extender I bought through Galloway Precision which now gives me a 20 +1 capability. It also comes with a picatinny rail for the addition of a light or laser. For my holster (OWB), the only place I could find one was through Aliengear. Good solid retention with no worries as I'm moving around on equipment and such. Breakdown for cleaning will be very familiar to those with Glocks. One thing I have done is ensure that the feed ramp is highly polished. I ran a smoothing stone over it to remove any burrs and then several applications of Flitz. Bottom line, for the price, this has been a pretty good firearm.

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The second item is a Kel-Tec CP33 22LR my son picked up and we are in the process of tweaking it a bit. What could be more fun than 33 per magazine? So far we've added a Tandemkross Game Changer Comp, safety thumb ledge, forward thumb ledge, and slapped on a $40 Tru-Glo red dot, which has held up pretty good and provides smooth and quick follow up shots. It has fiber optic sights and served fairly well, but, opted for the red dot for quicker follow ups. We'll be following up shortly with a Galloway Precision short stroke trigger. Overall it's a great little range gun, but man, magazine reloading is a time and finger killer, need to find a mag loader for this one.

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Great report as usual, Sua Sponte! Thanks!

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Next up we have a question from our pal Mostly Peaceful Grognard

I'm ignorant of the best way to go about selling off old, less-loved firearms so I can buy new, hopefully more-lovable ones.

I did manage to flog one to another moron last year (hooray moron meetups!). However, I've got a few more I'm looking to sell and not sure that "meet a fellow AoS moron somewhere in the Ohio wilderness" is always the optimum way to go about this. I've considered just putting them up on gunbroker.com, or trying my friendly LGS, but thought I'd turn to the moron horde for suggestions for what to do with these.

Great question! How are the rest of you parting with guns when the time comes?

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Next up, our pal NA NA has been to the range with a 1911 and sends this range report.

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This is a .45 ACP Colt M1991A1 w/ 230 grain full metal jacket taking rapid aimed shots at 15 yards. The basic GI style sights (front blade, rear notch, no dots) are difficult to pick up on an indoor range, especially with black on black contrast between the sights and the target. This is the first firearm I bought back in 1994. It cost me $375, which was a decent amount back then. The parkerized finish recalled the late WWII Colt M1911A1 production pistols. I bought this mainly because I'd carried a M1911A1 for Desert Storm in 1991 and my National Guard unit still had .45s and hadn't received the new M9s yet. Of course, that changed only a couple of months after I bought this.

Nice shooting, NA NA, and thanks for the report!

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Finally! The Story of Lubricating Oil!

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Our pal redc1c4 shares a story from on AK Models

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Very nice, thanks redc1c4!

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Gun Basics 101

Continuing our series on the basics, here are a couple of videos from the "She Equips Herself" girl; the first on common gun terminology, and the second on what to expect to going to the range alone for the first time. I completely understand how overwhelming a first range trip can be, but knowing what to expect in advance can help the process go smoothly. Just look how well TecumsehTea did!

Some common gun terms explained.

What to expect at the range.

Also, last week our pal and delightful 'ette Helena Handbasket recommended a couple of great resources for finding an NRA instructor and for the NRA's Women On Target Program. The latter is designed for ladies new to shooting and consistently receives great reviews from those who have attended one of the classes. I'd also like to add a couple; first The Cornered Cat which is a website for ladies on the subject of self-defense, and The High Road which is a very well run general firearms forum and a great place to find answers to questions. I learned a lot from this website over the years!

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This week's gun funny comes to us courtesy of our pal and all 'round wonderful human being Fungus Boy

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM




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1 Gun Thread !

Yay !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at September 19, 2021 06:00 PM (jDHSU)

2 8

Posted by: Skip at September 19, 2021 06:00 PM (2JoB8)

3 Double tap

Posted by: callsign claymore at September 19, 2021 06:01 PM (2yWNi)

4 now to read the outstanding content !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at September 19, 2021 06:01 PM (jDHSU)

5 A days run is hard

Posted by: Skip at September 19, 2021 06:01 PM (2JoB8)

6 Howdy Weasel, howdy, Horde

Guns...I loves them.

Posted by: callsign claymore at September 19, 2021 06:01 PM (2yWNi)

7 Hola, muchachos!

Posted by: RI Red at September 19, 2021 06:02 PM (CJtAX)

8 Bang! Bang! Bang!

Posted by: Jesse James on the Brady Bunch at September 19, 2021 06:04 PM (vuisn)

9 Found a new Rossi model 92 in stainless in .357 magnum at the pawn shop and bought it. Took it to the range and it is a sweet shooter. It has an exceptional trigger that I did not expect to find on a Rossi. and I had none of the issues that some people have had with a Rossi.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 19, 2021 06:05 PM (JUOKG)

10 Pew Pew!!

Posted by: Jak Sucio at September 19, 2021 06:05 PM (jvt6t)

11 You shot his ear off TecumsehTea! That's usually enough to slow 'em down.

Posted by: f'd at September 19, 2021 06:06 PM (Tnijr)

12 I opened my bottle of Hoppes #9 for ambience.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at September 19, 2021 06:06 PM (jvt6t)

13 Had this saved When you miss the guns you lost in boating accidents
https://dailytimewaster.blogspot.com/2021/09/yeah.html

Posted by: Skip at September 19, 2021 06:06 PM (2JoB8)

14 Yes!!! Pew pew thread!!

Reading content

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 06:07 PM (mcfjc)

15 Howdy, y'all!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 06:07 PM (MVjcR)

16 Did find my machete a hour ago, it was where it was supposed to be, just hadn't seen it in awhile.

Posted by: Skip at September 19, 2021 06:08 PM (2JoB8)

17 I was concentrating so hard on stance, grip and pulling the trigger I'm not sure I even heard the gunshots.

That's how it's done. 👍

Posted by: hogmartin at September 19, 2021 06:08 PM (P4LRL)

18 Hello, Weasel and horde!

Posted by: Ed L at September 19, 2021 06:08 PM (7je7d)

19 Evening.

The Kel-Tec reminds me of the light gun that came with the original 8-but Nintendo.

I saw that and the first thing that came to mind was Duck Hunt.

Posted by: Robert *Be Ungovernable* - Iron Maiden, Senjutsu, OUT NOW!!! at September 19, 2021 06:09 PM (1Yy3c)

20 Hey Weasel, when you link videos, can you also include a link in the text? Sometimes I see them in this browser, sometimes I don't. Probably Pixy pissing on Firefox or something, but always assume Morons have the crappiest computers out there.

I mean, I'm writing this on my 486.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 06:09 PM (llXky)

21 Gub!

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 19, 2021 06:10 PM (Xrfse)

22 Hey!! RI Red.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 19, 2021 06:10 PM (2XkiP)

23 Wait, we're not talking about ice cream any more?

Posted by: JuJuBee at September 19, 2021 06:11 PM (aElZo)

24 Said in food thread, Mrs. E and I went to the range this afternoon and paid our yearly dues up. Saw a couple adults teaching some youngsters. The we stopped at Braums for ice cream. Back home in an hour.

Posted by: Eromero at September 19, 2021 06:11 PM (0OP+5)

25 Evening Horde, Weasel!

Thicc Boi online!

Posted by: Thicc Boi at September 19, 2021 06:11 PM (zThcc)

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Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 06:09 PM (llXky)
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Sure, I will try and remember to do that. I did for a long time but stopped for no apparent reason I can recall. Do you have Java turned off?

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 06:11 PM (MVjcR)

27 Arf!

*BLAM!!*

*thud*

Posted by: Sandy at September 19, 2021 06:11 PM (VxC1e)

28 Lol, after I complained, all the images displayed.

Well played, Pixy. Well played.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 06:11 PM (llXky)

29 Jak, a Hoppe's #9 candle would not go amiss.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 19, 2021 06:12 PM (2XkiP)

30 Went to my favorite indoor range to try out some pistols. Shot a Glock 26. It was ok. Shot a glock 43x . Didn't like it. Slide felt rough, almost gritty. Definitely not smooth. Shot a Sig Sauer P365xl. Nice gun. Thought long and hard and bought..........

another Glock 19.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * standing out in the open at September 19, 2021 06:12 PM (3vMKV)

31
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 19, 2021 06:12 PM (DUIap)

32 When it comes to rehoming weapons, check to see if there a gun forum for your state (e.g. Calguns for California). They will usually have a subforum for buying, trading, and or selling. You may need to meet a minimum post count on the forum to qualify, purchase a membership, or both.

Another alternative is your State rifle association, which you should be a member of anyway. (For those still giddy over Weasel's bringing the fine content *yet* again, and perhaps not considering the subtlety with which that was expressed, that is a hint. They will have a member's board, and that may have a sub-forum for such.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 19, 2021 06:12 PM (a3Q+t)

33 Posted by: Thicc Boi at September 19, 2021 06:11 PM (zThcc)
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Sup, bro? How was the trip home? Hey check your hash.

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 06:12 PM (MVjcR)

34 Not gub related but I'd like a low yield nuke to blow up my house, please. As soon as we put it on the market, everything decided to break. Ev-Er-y-Thing.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 19, 2021 06:13 PM (kTF2Z)

35 Thicc Boi, were you treated to the world famous Chicken Bowl?

Posted by: Ben Had at September 19, 2021 06:14 PM (2XkiP)

36 Range report

Marine ratched and I went yesterday morning.
Shot his and mine Walther PPQ 7 yards and 10.
He did have tighter groupings. Not by much.

He kicked my butt with the Ruger Mark IV.
I kicked his with the 1911 and .357 revolver.
We aren't competitive. Not at all. What gave you that idea?
It was so fun shooting with my Marine. He enjoyed shooting with his mom. We went to chick fil a for a spicy chicken delux and listened to country music on the drive home.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 19, 2021 06:14 PM (U2p+3)

37 Only ND I had recently was about 2 years ago I was shooting my Vz58 in 5.56. I had a misfeed so I put the rifle on safe, dropped the mag and cleared the rifle but FORGOT TO FINGER AND EYE THE CHAMBER. When I loaded a new mag and sent the bolt home, BOOM. New round detonated the round stuck in the chamber out of battery. No harm done but a lot of backwash and a nice red ass for me.

Always perform an immediate action on any stoppage.

SPORTS is your friend.


Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 19, 2021 06:14 PM (R/m4+)

38 I've only used one 22 conversion kit: the Kadett kit for the CZ 75b 9mm. Takes maybe a minute to convert from one to the other. And the thing is accurate. On a par with a Ruger Mk II if I do my job.

If you like a certain platform a conversion can save you ammo costs and still have fun.

Posted by: JTB at September 19, 2021 06:15 PM (7EjX1)

39 ZThcc Boy is French?

Posted by: f'd at September 19, 2021 06:15 PM (Tnijr)

40 Funny, he doesn't look French.

Posted by: f'd at September 19, 2021 06:16 PM (Tnijr)

41 Great content as always Weasel!

Posted by: rancherbob at September 19, 2021 06:16 PM (gtu9W)

42 I took the first step toward a CCW license five weeks ago when I sent in an application to register my Glock 43 and a $19 check to the CA Department of Justice. So far, the DOJ hasn't even cashed my check.

I guess they're too busy processing violent felon prison releases to assist someone who wants to carry their weapon legally.

My tax dollars at work.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 19, 2021 06:16 PM (VxC1e)

43 Hello gub threaders. I bought no guns or ammo this week. No range trips.

But, October is coming. sra blaster and I are going to an Oktoberfest torque and recoil event. That name is not official it came from a letter to the editor to Car and Driver back in the good old days. Anyway, we go to a compound in the woods and shoot things, drive cars on the Tail of the Dragon, and drink bourbon. An annual event for us.

Posted by: blaster at September 19, 2021 06:16 PM (mbFEM)

44 -
S lap up on the magazine
P ull back the charging handle
O bserve the ejection of the round
R elease the charging handle
T ap the forward assist
S queeze the trigger

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it at September 19, 2021 06:17 PM (FcZJt)

45 YES! I was at the range. Hoo boy! Got to shoot a friend's S&W Model 29. I will pause for everyone to dig out the obligatory Dirty Harry Dialog.

Before trying it out, I "warmed up" with a Taurus Tracker, also in .44 Magnum. Lighter weapon, factory ported barrel, squishy rubber grips. After dinking around with .32s, it reminded me what recoil is meant to be.

Then I uncorked the Model 29. Ouch. Those hardwood grips are not my friend. I thought the massive size would soak up more recoil, but whatever benefit was lost to the pitiless wood checkering. My friend took a few shots with my Taurus and agreed that it was, in fact, more pleasant to shoot. I in turn agreed that his .44 was cooler than mine.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 06:17 PM (llXky)

46 Nice seeing all the range reports. I hope to go in the next week or two.

Was also on MidwayUSA earlier getting some things for my rifle. Soooo WipeOut, foam or liquid?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 06:17 PM (mcfjc)

47 Posted by: rancherbob at September 19, 2021 06:16 PM (gtu9W)
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Howdy amigo! Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 06:17 PM (MVjcR)

48 As for negligent or accidental discharges, every gun is loaded!

Posted by: rancherbob at September 19, 2021 06:18 PM (gtu9W)

49 nurse, best range report ever.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 19, 2021 06:18 PM (2XkiP)

50 spelled out for those who didn't go through Army BRM training... modify as needed for your firearm when you have a stoppage.

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it at September 19, 2021 06:18 PM (FcZJt)

51 The Paolo, his discharges they are never, how do you say, accidental.

Posted by: The Paolo at September 19, 2021 06:20 PM (VxC1e)

52 Great question! How are the rest of you parting with guns when the time comes? Weasel

When the time comes will be when the time's up. Hopefully. Before that, you figure out who's going to get what.... Selling guns? Is that allowed??

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 19, 2021 06:21 PM (7bRMQ)

53 If looking to sell off guns you don't use anymore, probably the easiest way is trading it to a local gun store. If they are interested, you get your money quickly, and they handle any further paper work. Probably it won't net you the most money but it can simplify things and you can avoid dealing with any local or federal regulations. (Spit!)

Posted by: JTB at September 19, 2021 06:22 PM (7EjX1)

54 Sent an upper out for some work. See you in eight weeks. Waiting is the hardest part.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 19, 2021 06:22 PM (Tckfm)

55 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 06:17 PM (mcfjc)
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I've always used the foam.

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 06:22 PM (MVjcR)

56 20 minutes in, I better make the top 100!
(Now to content)

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 06:22 PM (ugHaR)

57 It was so fun shooting with my Marine. He enjoyed shooting with his mom. We went to chick fil a for a spicy chicken delux and listened to country music on the drive home.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 19, 2021 06:14 PM (U2p+3)

Very nice Nurse!

Sounds like y'all had a great time.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 19, 2021 06:22 PM (R/m4+)

58 I will second the CMMG AR conversion. IMO, it's the best fun/$ ratio going. If you have an AR and don't have a .22LR, get one of these. Actually, if you have an AR and do have a .22LR, get one of these anyway.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 19, 2021 06:23 PM (nfrXX)

59 SD go with the foam Wipeout. Good stuff!

Posted by: Tuner at September 19, 2021 06:24 PM (7/3ku)

60 Evening everyone, saw a customer today at the store that made me pause and think.

You see the woman was surrounded by a small mob of kids and she was open carrying what might have been a Glock on the hip.

The thing is when I spied her pushing her buggy her eyes and head were straight forward like she was on a mission. She was not paying attention to her surroundings.

And I realized her open carry just meant she made herself a target if a bad guy decided to pop up and shoot the customers.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 19, 2021 06:24 PM (CJy0d)

61 Here is an interesting question that I could probably go look up but seems like a good question to ask here. We've had some gubthreaders move between states. How does that work for firearms. I mean I guess mostly the answer is it depends on the receiving state. I am pretty sure that if I moved to Florida I could drag the pond and retake what I found there and take it to Florid with me and not send a notice to anyone.

Posted by: blaster at September 19, 2021 06:24 PM (mbFEM)

62 spelled out for those who didn't go through Army BRM training... modify as needed for your firearm when you have a stoppage.

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it at September 19, 2021 06:18 PM (FcZJt)
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Showing your age. Military doesn't use it anymore. Now it's pretty much "pull the charging handle and try again." I

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 06:25 PM (llXky)

63 Weasel at September 19, 2021 06:12 PM (MVjcR)
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Trip home wasn't too bad and I made good time but not Weasel time. My hash? The 'zThcc'? I just figured I was so thicc that a hash couldn't hide it.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 19, 2021 06:14 PM (2XkiP)
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Hi Ben!, No, we did El Cazador where I was treated to some world class salsa and an overflowing Burrito Grande.

Posted by: Thicc Boi at September 19, 2021 06:26 PM (zThcc)

64 I've always used the foam.

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 06:22 PM (MVjcR)

SD go with the foam Wipeout. Good stuff!

Posted by: Tuner at September 19, 2021 06:24 PM (7/3ku)

Yes!!! Foam partay!!!

Posted by: Shep! at September 19, 2021 06:26 PM (7bRMQ)

65 I do not see myself selling any of my firearms. I only got into this sport 2 or so years ago and have only acquired 2 firearms.

I intend to acquire more weapons in the coming years. Eventually they will be passed down to one of my nephews. He will do with them as he wishes.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 06:26 PM (mcfjc)

66 And I realized her open carry just meant she made herself a target if a bad guy decided to pop up and shoot the customers.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 19, 2021 06:24 PM (CJy0d)


No worries she was probably FBI.

Posted by: blaster at September 19, 2021 06:26 PM (mbFEM)

67 Shot his and mine Walther PPQ 7 yards and 10.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 19, 2021 06:14 PM (U2p+3)
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The Walther PPQ is a fine piece of machinery. I mourn the loss of mine in a collision with a paddle-wheel steamer.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 06:27 PM (llXky)

68 For the M-16/M-4 family - if the bolt assist does not seat the round for firing then pull the charging handle to eject the round.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 19, 2021 06:27 PM (CJy0d)

69 Hiya Weasel !

Posted by: JT at September 19, 2021 06:27 PM (arJlL)

70 Hello Gun enthusiasts. Hope you had a great Sunday.
This was an off week for our range group due to other obligations.We go back on regular biweekly Sundays on 10/1. Just read that there is a gun show in Chantilly VA that weekend so will try and convince the group we should do that too. Anyone in the Manassas area interested in getting together, just shoot me an email(in my nic). It's been a lot of fun and we go to dinner after.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 19, 2021 06:27 PM (Y+l9t)

71 That sure is a pretty picture up top.

Thanks, Weasel!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 19, 2021 06:28 PM (sy5kK)

72 Anyone taken Massad Ayoob's classes? I've got a MAG20 Classroom next weekend, did the MAG20 shooting this past May. So worth the money.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at September 19, 2021 06:28 PM (eKhRG)

73 Firearms go to my boys. They know who gets what. I showed them where the canoe tipped over.

Posted by: f'd at September 19, 2021 06:28 PM (Tnijr)

74 Hey, Ben Had!
Hey, Nurse and Nurse's Marine!
Hey, Tecumseh Tea!
Hey, Boss, Bros, et al.!

Did I miss anyone?

Posted by: RI Red at September 19, 2021 06:28 PM (CJtAX)

75 Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 19, 2021 06:28 PM (sy5kK)
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Howdy! My pleasure.

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 06:28 PM (MVjcR)

76 And I realized her open carry just meant she made herself a target if a bad guy decided to pop up and shoot the customers.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 19, 2021 06:24 PM (CJy0d)
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Alternatively, she may be acting as a deterrent, reminding bad guys that while she's carrying openly, there are likely others around.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 06:28 PM (llXky)

77 I topped off my primer supply and found some more powder this week so that was excellent. I took my neighbor to the range and he finally got to shoot the 762x39 that we built together 5 years ago (my first build, lost springs and detents, haha). He shot another couple of my rifles and a good time was had by all. My bro and SIL are visiting this week so we'll do a couple of range trips and I'll get him shooting consistently at 600. We're in Indian summer here in Utah and it's perfect shooting weather.

Posted by: ck at September 19, 2021 06:28 PM (iBg56)

78 FBI?

Fumbling Bumbling Idiot?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 19, 2021 06:29 PM (CJy0d)

79 Also got the Rossi pump action rifle back from Rossi repair. It had been jamming constantly and no fun to shoot. There was a one line comment in the paperwork. They said they deburred it. Hope it works.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 19, 2021 06:29 PM (Y+l9t)

80 45 ... "Then I uncorked the Model 29. Ouch. Those hardwood grips are not my friend. I thought the massive size would soak up more recoil, but whatever benefit was lost to the pitiless wood checkering."

Those massive, heavily checkered grips on the model 29 look great but tear up your hands with full power magnum loads. I long ago put Pachmyers (sp?) on it and that made it usable. And it makes shooting 44 specials feel like a pop gun.

Posted by: JTB at September 19, 2021 06:29 PM (7EjX1)

81 Hey dere, RI Red !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at September 19, 2021 06:29 PM (jDHSU)

82 Ok, Foam it is!!

I was watching the She Equips Herself video on going to the range. Damn, I wish the ranges I go to would permit me to draw from a holster!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 06:30 PM (mcfjc)

83 A.H Lloyd

Probably not since I had to watch her let that small mob of chirrun ransack my department.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 19, 2021 06:30 PM (CJy0d)

84 Anyone in the Manassas area interested in getting together, just shoot me an email(in my nic). It's been a lot of fun and we go to dinner after.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice)

ISWYDT

Posted by: JT at September 19, 2021 06:30 PM (arJlL)

85 78 FBI?

Fumbling Bumbling Idiot?
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 19, 2021 06:29 PM (CJy0d)

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To be fair, they're good against grandmas and innocent patsies.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 19, 2021 06:30 PM (VxC1e)

86 How many children of coller are murdered every year be ause of your guns!!!!

Posted by: Mary Cloginstien from Brattleboro, VT at September 19, 2021 06:30 PM (c/Cmx)

87 SD go with the foam Wipeout. Good stuff!

You have to make that giggling sound. It's in the instructions.

Heheheheheheheh... Wipeout.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 19, 2021 06:30 PM (nfrXX)

88 Posted by: Colonel Travis at September 19, 2021 06:28 PM (eKhRG)
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Howdy and welcome to the Gun Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 06:30 PM (MVjcR)

89 Thought long and hard and bought..........

another Glock 19.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * standing out in the open at September 19, 2021 06:12 PM


And there was much rejoicing!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 19, 2021 06:30 PM (a3Q+t)

90 Howdy, Weasel. Thanks for the Gun thread! I'm here in real time tonight, rather than reading after the fact. Haven't been to the range in several weeks. Every time I find some open time in my schedule, I think to myself "If I have time to go shooting, then I have time to go work up at the church." So Jesus loves me, but my guns are getting lonely and neglected. Still stocking up on ammo, though. Have some .380 and .22LR scheduled to arrive this week. Anyway, thanks again. I'm off to read the content and comments.

Posted by: Pod Hamp at September 19, 2021 06:31 PM (RBFmA)

91 But wait, there's more! I also got to fire a Chiappa Rhino. This gun has no reason to exist other than to prove that the Taurus Judge and Desert Eagle are not the most pointless guns ever devised.

So...it's a revolver and it works. It looks funky, the recoil is in fact a bit less than an equivalent traditional frame. But for the price you pay...meh.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 06:31 PM (llXky)

92 Howdy, Red!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 06:31 PM (MVjcR)

93 @sharon will the Afghans be out by then?

Posted by: blaster at September 19, 2021 06:31 PM (mbFEM)

94 yeah, I put Pachmayrs on the 629 right out of the box ... not sure I even have the old wood grips, in fact I kind of wonder what happened to 'em ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at September 19, 2021 06:32 PM (jDHSU)

95 Posted by: Pod Hamp at September 19, 2021 06:31 PM (RBFmA)
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Howdy Pod Hamp!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 06:32 PM (MVjcR)

96 Posted by: Sock Monkey * standing out in the open at September 19, 2021 06:12 PM (3vMKV)
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*nods head* Clearly the correct decision.

Posted by: f'd at September 19, 2021 06:15 PM (Tnijr)
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Quarter French actually. On my mother's side. It's where I get my debonair suaveness from.

Posted by: Thicc Boi at September 19, 2021 06:32 PM (zThcc)

97 I mourn the loss of mine in a collision with a paddle-wheel steamer.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 06:27 PM (llXky)

Hmmm, I should start a side business retrieving these "lost" tools from the depths.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 06:33 PM (mcfjc)

98 "Turns out everything my hubs told me (from his trainer, but a different range) was wrong. So all the things I'd been practicing I have to unlearn. "

This is more common than not. Sometimes it's not even that what they were trying to teach was wrong - they just weren't teaching it effectively. If you can at all avoid it, do not try and train a spouse or significant other - it's a recipe for failure and frustration. Send them to get professional training, and if you can't manage that have a competent buddy teach them instead.

Usually this manifests with the guy trying to teach his girl, and is in spite of the fact that most women are 10x better range students than most guys will ever be.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at September 19, 2021 06:33 PM (P2+0L)

99 Sock Rat - fist bump.

All. Boy, have I had a weird week. Some of it gun related. marginally.

Posted by: RI Red at September 19, 2021 06:33 PM (CJtAX)

100 Blaster, no idea but the ad made a point of saying the show was on. Sent an email to Rick. Maybe he knows.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 19, 2021 06:33 PM (Y+l9t)

101 When my brother died he gave me his 12 GA and a blackpowder rifle he had built from a kit. I gave the 12GA to a friends grandson and the rifle to his Dad. Both have seen much use and it made me very happy.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 19, 2021 06:33 PM (2XkiP)

102 The only firearm that I ever sold was a neat little Browning .410. Actually traded it in on a 12 gauge. That was forty years ago, and I'm still kicking myself.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at September 19, 2021 06:34 PM (CmPBR)

103 TecumsehTea, good shooting for the first time out! Much better than I did my first time. .357 Magnum S&W Model 19 at 15 yards. Didn't hit the target at all. I learned then that using the sights is really important.

Posted by: Ed L at September 19, 2021 06:34 PM (7je7d)

104 Hey Weasel, thanks for doing this every week. I may not post a lot but I'm a dedicated reader.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at September 19, 2021 06:35 PM (eKhRG)

105 "Also, last week our pal and delightful 'ette Helena Handbasket recommended a couple of great resources for finding an NRA instructor "

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If you're in western PA or eastern OH, I know a good one . We do NRA, USCCA and a few other handgun programs. My teaching partner is 1.) female and 2.) one of the best instructors I know. Over the last 5 years, something like 77% of our handgun clients have been women. A bit under half for rifle and shotgun classes. Although, I once taught an NMLRA muzzleloader course that was all women, hadn't expected that to happen.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at September 19, 2021 06:35 PM (lNHqD)

106 30 Went to my favorite indoor range to try out some pistols. Shot a Glock 26. It was ok. Shot a glock 43x . Didn't like it. Slide felt rough, almost gritty. Definitely not smooth. Shot a Sig Sauer P365xl. Nice gun. Thought long and hard and bought..........

another Glock 19.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * standing out in the open at September 19, 2021 06:12 PM
I thought you were going to say 'we declared war on the Union...'

Posted by: Eromero at September 19, 2021 06:35 PM (0OP+5)

107 Why, Ace of Spades HQ has gone woke! Trans-guns switching calibers, identifying with different ballistics!

It's like I don't know the gun thread anymore, Weasel!

Posted by: callsign claymore at September 19, 2021 06:35 PM (2yWNi)

108 Thanks for the Gun Thread Weasel!
Nice report, Nurse!

Posted by: DBCooper at September 19, 2021 06:35 PM (phYRn)

109 Posted by: Colonel Travis at September 19, 2021 06:35 PM (eKhRG)
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Happy to hear you're enjoying it!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 06:35 PM (MVjcR)

110 Gun thread! Love the range reports, esp TecumsuhTea's.

The firearm terminology by She Equips Herself was very useful too!

Posted by: Ladyl at September 19, 2021 06:36 PM (TdMsT)

111 Hi JT!

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 19, 2021 06:36 PM (Y+l9t)

112 Thought long and hard and bought..........

another Glock 19.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * standing out in the open at September 19, 2021 06:12 PM (3vMKV)
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St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our protection against the malice and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray. And do you, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the divine power, thrust into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world, seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 06:37 PM (llXky)

113 Posted by: DBCooper at September 19, 2021 06:35 PM (phYRn)
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Hey! My pleasure.

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 06:37 PM (MVjcR)

114 {{{Sharon}}}

{{{JT}}}

Posted by: Ladyl at September 19, 2021 06:37 PM (TdMsT)

115 I thought you were going to say 'we declared war on the Union...'
Posted by: Eromero

October 19th

Posted by: Sock Monkey * standing out in the open at September 19, 2021 06:38 PM (3vMKV)

116 I don't plan on ever selling any of our guns. There was a point where the P365 replaced a Keltec PF9 and thus the Keltec became excess. Couldn't bring myself to sell it. Ended up giving to my SIL in a totally legal transfer thank you.

Posted by: blaster at September 19, 2021 06:38 PM (mbFEM)

117 My garage door repair guy was working on my door and didn't realize that he was printing pretty obviously and ultimately his .380 became visible after his shirt untucked. I casually asked him what he carried and he immediately looked down and apologized. I jokingly told him the .380 was intended to be carried only in your pocket.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 19, 2021 06:38 PM (2DOZq)

118 Hey {{{Ben Had}}}!!! I'm home and everything went well!

Posted by: Ladyl at September 19, 2021 06:38 PM (TdMsT)

119 107....

AR's are quite prone to identify as "trans"! I have a few woke AR's myself. One day, .308, the next 6.5 Creedmoor! Another swears it's a .556, but I know it's gone 300 BLK in the past.

Posted by: PacosMojo at September 19, 2021 06:39 PM (3YKL4)

120 yeah, I put Pachmayrs on the 629 right out of the box ... not sure I even have the old wood grips, in fact I kind of wonder what happened to 'em ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at September 19, 2021 06:32 PM (jDHSU)
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I immediately suggested the same. I said "keep the originals in a safe place, but shoot it with something else." I don't think he intends it to see much use, mostly just wanted one.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 06:40 PM (llXky)

121 Some firearms you are best parting ways with.

The GSG .22LR clone of an MP-5 is a case in point. Its simply too heavy a piece of furniture to be a .22LR plinker. It feels like you are putting a block of Panzer armor to your shoulder.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 19, 2021 06:40 PM (CJy0d)

122 Went to my favorite indoor range to try out some pistols. Shot a Glock 26. It was ok. Shot a glock 43x . Didn't like it. Slide felt rough, almost gritty. Definitely not smooth. Shot a Sig Sauer P365xl. Nice gun. Thought long and hard and bought..........

another Glock 19.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * standing out in the open at

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 19, 2021 06:41 PM (2DOZq)

123 RE: The CMMG conversion kit

I ran one of those for awhile and it worked great. Ran fine when fed properly, was a lot cheaper to feed, and was easy to use and maintain.

I did eventually switch to a dedicated Spike's Tactical .22LR upper because of that very small difference between a barrel chambered in .223 and a barrel chambered in .22LR. Not that I could tell the difference in accuracy.

Posted by: Thicc Boi at September 19, 2021 06:41 PM (zThcc)

124 Ladyl, I'm so happy for you. We need to chat.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 19, 2021 06:41 PM (2XkiP)

125 Hi everybody. I'm here reading. Thanks for the encouragement and for the advice. I'll always take advice. And thanks to Weasel for the thread and being interested in us out here.

Posted by: tecumsehtea at September 19, 2021 06:41 PM (skoMC)

126 I have a 629 snubby that is a handful with the original grips!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 06:41 PM (MVjcR)

127 Greetings, fellow insurrectionists!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has his RayBans on at September 19, 2021 06:42 PM (yQpMk)

128 otherwise, I got nuffin' ... no range report, bought nuffin' ... just nuffin' pure & simple !

wish I could find some of that .22 Punch stuff, but (wait for it) nuffin' ... one local shop has it on backorder.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at September 19, 2021 06:42 PM (jDHSU)

129 Gun question. I saw a documentary in which a forensic expert (but with no specialization in ballistics) stated that despite the prosecutor's contention, a .380 could not have fired the bullets found in the victim. The bullets, she said, were from either a .357 or a .38. She appeared to say (although who knows what was edited out?) that it could not have been a .380 because there were no cartridge cases found at the scene so therefore the weapon must have been a revolver and not.a semiautomatic. So my question: is it possible to determine from the bullet alone, without reference to cartridge cases, whether the weapon that fired it was a .38 or a .380?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at September 19, 2021 06:42 PM (d9FiS)

130 @ 100 - Sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 19, 2021 06:33 PM (Y+l9t)

FWIW, I called one of the guys I know who usually has a few tables at Chantilly. He says the organizer probably won't cancel the show until really late in the game. He's prepared to go, but he also ready in case it all gets cancelled at the last minute. Hope that helps.

Posted by: Ed L at September 19, 2021 06:42 PM (7je7d)

131 Posted by: tecumsehtea at September 19, 2021 06:41 PM (skoMC)
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Very happy to do it.

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 06:42 PM (MVjcR)

132 The Walther PPQ is a fine piece of machinery. I mourn the loss of mine in a collision with a paddle-wheel steamer.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at

Marine has a different model with the mag release on the trigger guard. It was a gift from me for his HS and Boot Camp graduation.
He's damn good.
I'm certain he would kick my butt with long guns for distance.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 19, 2021 06:43 PM (U2p+3)

133 The only firearm that I ever sold was a neat little Browning .410. Actually traded it in on a 12 gauge. That was forty years ago, and I'm still kicking myself.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at September 19, 2021 06:34 PM (CmPBR)
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I've sold several firearms (which saved them from a watery grave), but I regret none of them. For me to sell something means I don't like it and know I will like something else more.

I see no point in collecting for numbers. I collect with a purpose. Those firearms that are not in alignment, are removed. Those that are, get drowned in freakish boating accidents.

That's why I don't have any guns.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 06:43 PM (llXky)

134 The GSG .22LR clone of an MP-5 is a case in point. Its simply too heavy a piece of furniture to be a .22LR plinker. It feels like you are putting a block of Panzer armor to your shoulder.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 19, 2021 06:40 PM (CJy0d)

I assume you would be happy with seven Beretta CX Storms. One for each day of the week.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 19, 2021 06:43 PM (2DOZq)

135 as someone who had an AD as a kid, Know of where I speak. if you are in a house or some normal place that isn't facing down range, just never put your finger on the trigger.

i know there are times you need to do so, you need to check the weapon or do a function check of some type. Some like to practice with snap caps. But as someone who has been there, make a practice of never putting your finger on the trigger unless you mean to fire a round. Sure it seems simple, but it is simple. There is no good reason for an AD. I learned that lesson at 8. Back then I was the bad guy, today my parents would bed the bad guy. The reality is just keep your finger off the trigger. it seems difficult at first for some reason, but it becomes very easy and it puts you in an elite group of people in the know.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 06:43 PM (Ks/+3)

136 I just wish I hadn't lost all my firearms in the canoe accident. Now, the boys will only get my old Playboys. Sad.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at September 19, 2021 06:44 PM (jvt6t)

137 Random thoughts:
CMMG conversion for an AR is the Titz! If that offends you, so sorry, but Titz are some of the finest things in life.
I have a CMMG and I just remembered what I will do with all that CCI MiniMag that is not so accurate in my new tack-driver.
I love hearing from new shooters, especially women (they do have the aforementioned Titz, by the way) almost as much as Weasel. It is so gratifying to see new shooters gain confidence and master their new tools. It is such a huge step in taking control of your life and responsibility for yourself.

Posted by: RI Red at September 19, 2021 06:44 PM (CJtAX)

138 119

* stares in horror at computer screen *

* clutches MI Garand and Colt 1911 .45 ACP closer to chest *

Posted by: callsign claymore at September 19, 2021 06:44 PM (2yWNi)

139 Good evening all! As always, thank you Weasel.

Posted by: Muad'dib at September 19, 2021 06:45 PM (RrtlF)

140 Selling my Garand. Worst. Decision. Ever.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 19, 2021 06:45 PM (Xrfse)

141 I thought CX-4s only came in two colors - basic black and dark blue. You mean there are five other colors?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 19, 2021 06:45 PM (CJy0d)

142 Posted by: tecumsehtea

!!!!! I'm so happy for you! A good experience on the range is so empowering. Ride that wave, sister. Good for you!

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 19, 2021 06:45 PM (U2p+3)

143 12 I opened my bottle of Hoppes #9 for ambience.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at September 19, 2021 06:06 PM


Words to live by,

"Don't eat the yellow snow!"

"Don't drink the Hoppes #9!"

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 19, 2021 06:46 PM (tkyK5)

144 Marine has a different model with the mag release on the trigger guard.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 19, 2021 06:43 PM (U2p+3)
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The work you're looking for is "paddle release" and some people swear by them. I like them, but button releases work as well. Heel releases? Er, not so much.

I suck with long weapons. Something about getting in on a vision waiver, I think.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 06:46 PM (llXky)

145 Posted by: Muad'dib at September 19, 2021 06:45 PM (RrtlF)
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Howdy! Happy to do it! Thanks for tuning in.

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 06:46 PM (MVjcR)

146 yeah, my 629 snubby was like that, it called to me from the showcase and the credit card came out ...

the only regrets I have are the guns I didn't buy when I had the chance.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at September 19, 2021 06:47 PM (jDHSU)

147 Hello, Horde! And a beautiful evening to all - Now to read about negligent discharges, not involving the production of kids. IYKWIMAITTYD

McGyver, Back in a bit

Posted by: McGyver at September 19, 2021 06:47 PM (Iw46i)

148 I want to Thank all of you that contacted me after Weasel's exhortations last week. I think I have gotten back to everyone but if you did not hear from me, don't despair just email me again.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 19, 2021 06:47 PM (2XkiP)

149 If it ain't broke don't fix it.
Posted by: Just a side note

Exactly. That and the pile of G17 mags means money not spent on a new pile of mags can be spent on Trijon night sights and a couple new holsters.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * standing out in the open at September 19, 2021 06:48 PM (3vMKV)

150 Posted by: Ben Had at September 19, 2021 06:47 PM (2XkiP)
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Am I still in trouble?

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 06:48 PM (MVjcR)

151 Good evening all! As always, thank you Weasel.

Posted by: Muad'dib at September 19, 2021 06:45 PM (RrtlF)

people rarely remember times they sold a weapon fondly,it is almost always regret. My exception was selling the Beretta Nano. I loved selling it and haven't thought about it a second until just now.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 06:48 PM (Ks/+3)

152 Thanks DBCooper!

Great thread weasel!

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 19, 2021 06:48 PM (U2p+3)

153 I pawned my 12 gauge Wingmaster pump when I was in college and poor and hungry. I had all good intentions of getting it back but ....life

Posted by: Just a side note at September 19, 2021 06:48 PM (2DOZq)

154 Posted by: nurse ratched at September 19, 2021 06:48 PM (U2p+3)
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Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 06:49 PM (MVjcR)

155 Selling my Garand. Worst. Decision. Ever.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 19, 2021 06:45 PM (Xrfse)


I traded off a Springfield 1903A1 that I paid $200 for, for a plain jane Winchester 12ga pump. Don't have the shotgun any more either.

I didn't know then what I had. I sure am a f*ck up sometimes.

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at September 19, 2021 06:49 PM (C1NyB)

156 Don't drink the Hoppes #9!"
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 19, 2021 06:46 PM (tkyK5)

This is why auto owners manuals tell you not to drink the battery water instead of telling you how to change the timing belt.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at September 19, 2021 06:49 PM (jvt6t)

157
I actually made it to the range this afternoon, about 100 rounds through the RIA 1911

twister target* at 7 yards; low ready, up, acquire, fire, back to low ready. slightly better than "meh" results, about 80% of the shots in the color

I'm slightly spoilt from my USPSA days, where the maximum points hit was a generous area 6 inches by 10.5 inches. shooting a target one third of that size, I need to get back to working on a sharper target shooting focus

* tinyurl.com/TwisterTarget

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 19, 2021 06:49 PM (DUIap)

158 people rarely remember times they sold a weapon fondly,it is almost always regret. My exception was selling the Beretta Nano. I loved selling it and haven't thought about it a second until just now.
Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 06:48 PM (Ks/+3)

I'd sell mine too but no one wants to buy it,

Posted by: Just a side note at September 19, 2021 06:49 PM (2DOZq)

159 I thought CX-4s only came in two colors - basic black and dark blue. You mean there are five other colors?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 19, 2021 06:45 PM (CJy0d)
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Speaking of 'trans guns,' I recently converted my CX-4 to the Beretta 92 magazines rather than the PX-4 ones. I finally got an M9 and it seemed the thing to do. Then I took it waterskiing...

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 06:50 PM (llXky)

160 Usually this manifests with the guy trying to teach his girl, and is in spite of the fact that most women are 10x better range students than most guys will ever be.
Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at September 19, 2021 06:33 PM (P2+0L)

I'm a Double Black Diamond Skier... so is my bests friend. 30 years ago we took our New Wives skiing for their first time. Got the gear... set up... hit the bunny slopes... and the girls, who were both athletic, were doing horrible.

So after seeing their frustration, I said screw it, and went and found them "Lars" the ski instructor, for a private lesson. 4 hours later, the girls were on the intermediate slopes, having a blast. Later I was told by the wife "he told us to do the exact same things you did, but from him it made sense".

I learned from that, NEVER try to teach someone yer sleeping with something you are very good at.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 19, 2021 06:50 PM (oHd/0)

161 Of course, there are better pistols.
Made with ivory handles, etc.
Carved walnut inlays.
In a pinch you want something that is reliable, to the point of seldom, if ever, cleaning it, and it still goes bang when you want it to.
Inexpensive.
If you had to, you could throw it down a sewer hole and not feel bad about not having an heirloom quality piece to give to your nephew.

Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 06:51 PM (aAP3z)

162 Marine has a different model with the mag release on the trigger guard.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 19, 2021 06:43 PM (U2p+3)
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The work you're looking for is "paddle release" and some people swear by them. I like them, but button releases work as well. Heel releases? Er, not so much.

I suck with long weapons. Something about getting in on a vision waiver, I think.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 06:46 PM


I have a Walther PPS and the paddle release for me is way more efficient and quicker than the traditional button release. Swipe it with my trigger finger when it is empty and the mag is gone and I am putting a new one in a couple of seconds faster than I can with a traditional mag release button.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 19, 2021 06:51 PM (JUOKG)

163 I did not realize that Einstein's "spooky action at a distance" also applies to Gun Threads.

Every time Weasel posts a gun thread, it causes an action in my far distant house, such that my wife immediately calls out "Dinner time!"

Bye Horde, have fun and behave. I will have to come back and read the gun thread while you are all cavorting in the ONT!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 19, 2021 06:52 PM (tkyK5)

164 "140 Selling my Garand. Worst. Decision. Ever.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 19, 2021 "

rivaled perhaps by Papa Eez selling the '03 I had hoped to inherit ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at September 19, 2021 06:52 PM (jDHSU)

165 Hey Ben, did I email you?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 06:52 PM (mcfjc)

166 I'm sorry . I meant my Beretta .22 Neo. More misfeeds than Michael Moore.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 19, 2021 06:52 PM (2DOZq)

167 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 19, 2021 06:52 PM (tkyK5)
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I get mentioned in the same sentence with Einstein a lot.

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 06:53 PM (MVjcR)

168 So my question: is it possible to determine from the bullet alone, without reference to cartridge cases, whether the weapon that fired it was a .38 or a .380?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at September 19, 2021 06:42 PM


First the argument about no brass being found is bogus. Apparently she's never policed her own (or anyone else's) brass.

A .38 Special or .357 bullet is likely to weigh more than a .380, as well as be at least .001" or more greater in diameter. There are a number of factors that could complicate things, but it's not nearly as cut-and-dried as she is claiming.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 19, 2021 06:53 PM (a3Q+t)

169 Howdy Weasel, howdy horde! No range time this week. Have a couple new .22s I need to try out. Henry Golden Boy and a Heritage Wrangler with long rifle and magnum cylinders. Maybe I can get out this week. Have to go to indoor ranges because temps are still above 100. Thanks for the thread!

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at September 19, 2021 06:54 PM (14js7)

170 Apparently converting a Garand to .458 Winchester Magnum is a thing.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 19, 2021 06:54 PM (a3Q+t)

171 Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at September 19, 2021 06:54 PM (14js7)
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Howdy 10GH! Happy to do it!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 06:54 PM (MVjcR)

172 Selling my Garand. Worst. Decision. Ever.

Oh, yeah. Thanks for reminding me. It was in the depths of a period of extended unemployment after the dot-com crash. It had a pre-war serial number and an early post-war barrel date. So you know how the original barrel got worn out. Damn. Didn't even get that good of a price for it. Basically gave it away to keep the lights on for one more month. Damn. Did I say "damn?"

Posted by: Oddbob at September 19, 2021 06:55 PM (nfrXX)

173 More random thoughts: driving back from my 50+1 high school reunion - sorry, 29th. Stopped at a Dunkin Donuts and they had a memorial with 13 reserved empty coffee cups and a poster identifying each, their hometowns, MOS, etc. I don't know if every DD does it, but I made a point to thank them, then got out before that damn dust go to me.

Posted by: RI Red at September 19, 2021 06:55 PM (CJtAX)

174 Ed L, we'll plan on going to the range no matter what. We're a pretty committed bunch. If the show happens, that will be great. Our friend Rick says that there will be a show at teh Fairgrounds early November. Venue is too small to house any Afghanis. It will be a smaller show however.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 19, 2021 06:56 PM (Y+l9t)

175 ..yeah, I put Pachmayrs on the 629 right out of the box ... not sure I even have the old wood grips, in fact I kind of wonder what happened to 'em .. Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at September 19, 2021 06:32 PM (jDHSU)


Don't look up the auction prices on OEM vintage S&W wood grips. Especially the Goncalo Alves ones that adorned most of the Model 29s back before the MIM era.

They do fetch a pretty penny at auction, those.

Fingers crossed for a new report, next week. If I'm successful, a beautiful Prancing Pony will be corralled in my safe. As in Bee You Tee FULL!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 19, 2021 06:56 PM (QzJWU)

176
Hmmm, I should start a side business retrieving these "lost" tools from the depths.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 06:33 PM (mcfjc)

Probably pay better than retrieving golf balls from water traps.

Just watch out for the gators. And mocs.

Posted by: Satai Daleen at September 19, 2021 06:56 PM (qyH+l)

177 KEEP YOUR BOOGER HOOK OFF THE BANG SWITCH!
If you didn't know that _before_ you watched that video, you should probably have figured it out from the video.

Here's my story about negligent discharges with the M16....

He describes things pretty well about clearing the rifle, but doesn't mention that the M16 procedures require that you pull the trigger. So there's clearing barrels set up outside every dang base in Bosnia, and outside the chow hall, sleeping areas, and the headquarters (the White House) in Tuzla (as at Tuzla there are patrols *inside* the wire). There are actually TWO clearing barrels set up outside the White House so there's not a long line when you're coming to do HQ stuff.

Our Air Liaison Officer office has been moved from the far end of the building to literally right next to the entrance. Our portion of the building juts out so we can actually SEE the clearing barrels outside our office window.

We're sitting in there BSing and we hear a bang right outside the window, meaning some knucklehead grunt has put a round in the clearing barrel. The Army is automatically giving out Article 15s at the time. We think ...
1/3

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 06:56 PM (ugHaR)

178 " Later I was told by the wife "he told us to do the exact same things you did, but from him it made sense".

I learned from that, NEVER try to teach someone yer sleeping with something you are very good at.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 19, 2021 06:50 PM (oHd/0) "

sad but true ...
*types*
*deletes*

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at September 19, 2021 06:56 PM (jDHSU)

179 2/3
..."Uh oh, Division Sergeant Major is gonna chew his hide." Sure enough, I poke my head out into the hallway, and I can't see, but I can HEAR the Sergeant Major coming from the other end of the building. ANd, sure enough, the guy at the entrance makes the poor private stand and wait for him.
Well, SM's probably still 1/3 of the way down that hallway and we hear BANG! I hear his footsteps pause a moment, then they resume - in time with the curses he's hurling now. "What stupid SOB shot MY clearing barrel TWICE!"

So, he gets to the front door and there's two privates standing there at attention, awaiting the butt-chewing from the SM. And hoo-boy are they getting one! He's letting them know just how unprofessional and less-than-mediocre their performance is and he's doing a dutiful job of avoiding criticizing their heritage and parentage. Then BLAM!

Yes, WHILE the SM is ranting at the first two, a knucklehead private RIGHT BEHIND HIM WHILE HE'S RANTING AT THE FIRST TWO shoots the clearing barrel AGAIN.
We all looked out the window as everything got deathly quiet. There was NO sound for a moment. And we watched the SM slowly turn and face the clearing barrel...
2/3

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 06:56 PM (ugHaR)

180 3/3
And at that point we closed the window and the shutters and left the office (with one poor airman stuck there) to go anywhere but there.

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 06:56 PM (ugHaR)

181 That's the fun about the CX-4 there are customizing tricks you can do without either blowing the gun or yourself up.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 19, 2021 06:56 PM (CJy0d)

182 129 - Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at September 19, 2021 06:42 PM (d9FiS)

Short answer to your question is yes. I have a book about the 1984 archaeological dig at Little Bighorn Battlefield. The archaeologists (w/ ballistics experts) were able to visually tell the difference between .50 Spencer, .50 Sharps, and .50/70 bullets fired from weapons converted to breach loaders from muzzle loaders fired by the Sioux. On the cavalry side, they were able to tell the difference between .45 Long Colt and .45/55 carbine bullets. If this can be done w/ 19th Century rounds, it should be doable w/ today's. Of course, this assumes that the bullets haven't been deformed.

Posted by: Ed L at September 19, 2021 06:56 PM (7je7d)

183 I stand corrected. Thank you.

At least y'all knew what I was referring to. Oh well. Told you I'm a rookie.
I'd like to go out to the woods.
I want to get a spoiled pork shoulder and put a couple rounds of hollow points and other *ahem* rounds through to see just what the damage would be on flesh. Is that a bad thing?

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 19, 2021 06:57 PM (U2p+3)

184 I want to get a spoiled pork shoulder and put a couple rounds of hollow points and other *ahem* rounds through to see just what the damage would be on flesh. Is that a bad thing?
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 19, 2021 06:57 PM (U2p+3)

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Wow. I only beat them up.

Posted by: Rocky Balboa at September 19, 2021 06:58 PM (VxC1e)

185 I'm sorry . I meant my Beretta .22 Neo. More misfeeds than Michael Moore.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 19, 2021 06:52 PM (2DOZq)

my first ccw was a Beretta 84. It was probably the heaviest .380 around. It was a nice weapon, like the m9 but smaller. I can't say much bad about it other than the weight. I doubt i will buy a Beretta for SD again though. There are too many other brands I can rely on. The Nano sucked, i truly did not like that piece.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 06:59 PM (Ks/+3)

186 Hey Weasel!! Hey Gun thread peeps!!
Went to the range with SiD saturday. The plan was to shoot some pistols (Her) and some AR sighting in for me. Texas is coming!!)
Pistol shooting was... interesting. Some not so good... She can tell you about that is she wishes... However, she shot a box and 2/3 of 230 grain hard ball out of my 1911.
She can SHOOT that gun. We only stopped because the front sight came adrift. Again. I guess I will have to seek a gunsmith, as it makes no sense to buy the tools for one use.
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Posted by: jesse in dc at September 19, 2021 06:59 PM (kTRt4)

187 not at all, nurse r !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at September 19, 2021 06:59 PM (jDHSU)

188 Good evening y'all !

Finally got some range therapy in this weekend! My attitude is a lot better, my aim needs more work.

Posted by: tbodie at September 19, 2021 07:00 PM (c7nKG)

189 Weasel, you were never in trouble. Thanks to you a group of first timers are about to experience TxMoMe.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 19, 2021 07:01 PM (2XkiP)

190 Finally got some range therapy in this weekend! My attitude is a lot better, my aim needs more work.
Posted by: tbodie at September 19, 2021 07:00 PM (c7nKG)

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How's your vaxx status?

Posted by: Tony "Tony" Fauci at September 19, 2021 07:02 PM (VxC1e)

191 first 1911 I owned, shot off the front sight and (later) the plunger tube ... of course I was putting 100 rounds/week through it ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at September 19, 2021 07:02 PM (jDHSU)

192 Posted by: jesse in dc at September 19, 2021 06:59 PM (kTRt4)
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Howdy, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 07:03 PM (MVjcR)

193 my first ccw was a Beretta 84. It was probably the heaviest .380 around. It was a nice weapon, like the m9 but smaller. I can't say much bad about it other than the weight. I doubt i will buy a Beretta for SD again though. There are too many other brands I can rely on. The Nano sucked, i truly did not like that piece.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 06:59 PM


I got one of those for the wife. A sweet shooting extremely accurate gun and with an extra mag you had 26 rounds of .380. I could punch the center of a target out with that gun at 10 yards.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 19, 2021 07:03 PM (JUOKG)

194 .380 = .355
9 mm = .355
.357 Sig = .355

.38 = .357
.357 Magnum = .357

Don't ask.

Posted by: RI Red at September 19, 2021 07:03 PM (CJtAX)

195 "I was concentrating so hard on stance, grip and pulling the trigger I'm not sure I even heard the gunshots."
Yep. Not uncommon. I am so glad you had a good time.

Do understand when you say that she "told you all the things you had learned were wrong," she also might be considered "all wrong." There are different schools of thought about proper 2-handed grip (thumb up, down, under, over), stance (Isosceles vs Weaver), holding your breath vs never holding it, etc. A lot of those items have changed over time (and some are still in active dispute) and older heads will be told they don't know what they're talking about by younger folks and such. (And then, of course there are actual bad bits of instruction.)

The important parts are SAFETY and WHAT WORKS FOR YOU. So, always keep that in mind, TecumsehTea.

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 07:03 PM (ugHaR)

196 Posted by: Ben Had at September 19, 2021 07:01 PM (2XkiP)
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Schwoo!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 07:04 PM (MVjcR)

197 170 Apparently converting a Garand to .458 Winchester Magnum is a thing.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 19, 2021 06:54 PM (a3Q+t)
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The ol' op rod has gotta love that.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at September 19, 2021 07:04 PM (lNHqD)

198 .50/70 bullets fired from weapons converted to breach loaders from muzzle loaders fired by the Sioux.

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!!! Not bad for a bunch of ignorant savages.

Thanks Ed and Duncanthrax!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at September 19, 2021 07:04 PM (d9FiS)

199 oi, starting to run out of steam here, g'night everyone, & thanks as always, Weasel !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at September 19, 2021 07:04 PM (jDHSU)

200 I want to again recommend Roger's Sporting Goods for ammo. I was trying to tell you all that I paid nine cents a round and received it in 48 hours.
Maybe Pixy will let this one post.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 19, 2021 07:04 PM (Y+l9t)

201 Posted by: nurse ratched at September 19, 2021 06:57 PM (U2p+3)

You should check out Paul Harrell and the "meat target" he uses when testing rounds.

Here is an example:

https://tinyurl.com/274nekws

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 07:04 PM (mcfjc)

202 Don't look up the auction prices on OEM vintage S&W wood grips. Especially the Goncalo Alves ones that adorned most of the Model 29s back before the MIM era.

They do fetch a pretty penny at auction, those.


I'll have to look but I think I have the factory stocks off of the Model 25-2 that I don't have any more. (Burgled, not sold. Damn.) I think they're probably walnut though, nothing exotic. If I find them, I can bring them to the MoMe if anybody is interested. I'd be willing to "sell" them for a donation to Ace's tip jar.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 19, 2021 07:05 PM (nfrXX)

203 Didn't even get that good of a price for it. Basically gave it away to keep the lights on for one more month.

Somewhat similar circumstances here. Hit some tough times and basically took the first offer I got. Ugh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 19, 2021 07:05 PM (Xrfse)

204 first 1911 I owned, shot off the front sight and (later) the plunger tube ... of course I was putting 100 rounds/week through it ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at September 19, 2021 07:02 PM (jDHSU)
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We were you using it as a target???

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 07:06 PM (llXky)

205 You can't have an accidental discharge if you only pull the trigger when you expect the gun to fire.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 19, 2021 07:06 PM (U2p+3)

206 You should check out Paul Harrell and the "meat target" he uses when testing rounds.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 07:04 PM (mcfjc)
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If you say "pork chop pectorals" three times, Hogmartin magically appears.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 07:07 PM (llXky)

207 nope, just recoil did it ... hundreds and thousands of recoils.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (jDHSU) at September 19, 2021 07:07 PM (jDHSU)

208 Put an RMR CC on my P365X slide. Also bought the Xl mount which Trijicon states works with the X slide. Nope. The Sig slide screws are too long for the mount. Called Trijicon, they say call Sig. called Sig, they say the screws are spec for the slide.

Finally pulled out the tools and shortened them myself.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 19, 2021 07:07 PM (8u1Ia)

209 The conversion kit is handy. I wish I had the time to test mine out. I haven't been able to get to the range with enough time to get to that part. *sigh*

I have the same one, but with only one mag (the 3-mag versions were sold out). I keep considering buying a 3-mag for my son, then stealing one of the mags so we're even.

Thank you for the report, The RealMc!

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 07:08 PM (ugHaR)

210 Scuba_Dude, No worry, I'm expecting you.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 19, 2021 07:08 PM (2XkiP)

211 Thanks to you a group of first timers are about to experience TxMoMe.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 19, 2021 07:01 PM


Ahem. Unless you bring me out of retirement, the complete TxMoMe experience will be, how you say, incomplete.

Posted by: The Horse Trailer at September 19, 2021 07:08 PM (a3Q+t)

212 Showing your age. Military doesn't use it anymore. Now it's pretty much "pull the charging handle and try again." I

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 06:25 PM (llXky)
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i'm surprised they didn't just give you kids an app for your "smart" phone...

now, get off my lawn.

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it at September 19, 2021 07:09 PM (XnXLV)

213 Thanks to you a group of first timers are about to experience TxMoMe.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 19, 2021 07:01 PM
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Did you mention the hazing and initiation rites or are we still keeping those secret?

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 07:10 PM (MVjcR)

214 GWB, in my deployments to Baghdad and Kabul, officers who shot the clearing barrel got a general officer letter of reprimand (a kill shot to one's military career) and had to get a an ass-chewing personally from the first general in their chain of command. I knew a guy in Kabul who shot the clearing barrel on his next to last day in country. He had to wait until his general returned from a trip up north to get is butt chewed. It was a very long week for him, I'm sure.

Posted by: Ed L at September 19, 2021 07:10 PM (7je7d)

215 Did not shoot for second weekend in a row. Dammit.
But new Vortex Crossfire II 4X25x50 arrived Friday for .22 Christensen Ranger tack driver. But 30 mm Vortex Pro mounts back ordered to Nov. 1. WTF?Dammit.

Posted by: RI Red at September 19, 2021 07:10 PM (CJtAX)

216 GWB @ 179- I saw a Command SGTMAJ shoot the barrel with his M9 at the Camp Arifjan gate. Then he asked 'Do we have to report this?'

Posted by: Eromero at September 19, 2021 07:10 PM (0OP+5)

217 Next to the AR right?? Not quite. It was an open range day for sighting in hunters... We walked into the 200 range. It looked like a class was in session, so I moved to the other end of the range, so be nice...
Soon there after I met the RSO of song and story... This dud was wound up WAY too tight. I almost walked out then,,, but I decided to go ahead and shoot. Their stapeler was inop, and mine was in my range box.... on the wrong side of the dreaded yellow line. Before I could solve that issue, he declared the range hot. I picked up my stuff and left. I have never been made so unwelcome to a range before. I will try that again another day, and if that happens again, I will resign my membership.
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Posted by: jesse in dc at September 19, 2021 07:12 PM (kTRt4)

218 I never understood the whole "clearing barrel" thing.
You drop the mag and rack the slide 3 times.
What idiot can't do that?

Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 07:13 PM (aAP3z)

219 Posted by: RI Red at September 19, 2021 07:10 PM (CJtAX)
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You're going to get rusty!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 07:14 PM (MVjcR)

220 Last range report was," I sucked!" Wandered across the road Thursday with 6 different guns. Used up about 500 rounds of lead therapy. All 8 silhouette targets ended up very dead. Even did the run into danger drill with satisfying results.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * standing out in the open at September 19, 2021 07:14 PM (3vMKV)

221 You can't have an accidental discharge if you only pull the trigger when you expect the gun to fire.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 19, 2021 07:06 PM (U2p+3)
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I've seen a jammed Ruger Mark I go off while being cleared but it was in a safe direction, so no harm done. The rules work together, so that if something unplanned happens, everyone is still fine.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 07:15 PM (llXky)

222 Ola, ca va?

Long time no post. Only good news is to report is that I have successfully brought a Vickers machine gun back to life after it had been "de-activated". New firing pin, mill out the alloy bore plug in the chamber and un weld the booster cup and she is working. I have just finished making a pintel adapter for mounting the Vickers on a Browning 1919 mount which actually looks ok, At least it is nice and low to the ground. I discovered that a .50 M2 T and E fits perfectly on the rear of the gun . All ready to go.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at September 19, 2021 07:15 PM (bgJ0E)

223 https://tinyurl.com/274nekws
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at

A good watch, for certain.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 19, 2021 07:15 PM (U2p+3)

224 .380 = .355
9 mm = .355
.357 Sig = .355
.38 = .357
.357 Magnum = .357
Don't ask.
Posted by: RI Red at September 19, 2021 07:03 PM


.41 Magnum = .410
.44 Special = .429
.44 Magnum = .429

(Cast .38/.357 bullets often are .360, and come out of the sizing die around .3575 or .3576)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 19, 2021 07:15 PM (a3Q+t)

225 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at September 19, 2021 07:15 PM (bgJ0E)
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Howdy brother!! Been wondering about you!!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 07:16 PM (MVjcR)

226 Thanks for your report RealMC, Tecumseh Tea, Nice shooting and don't sweat minor differences in what trainers teach.

Best to do what your current instructor says and have several sessions with that same trainer. Switching trainers back and forth before acquiring basic knowledge can led to student confusion and that can lead to less than optimal results. Only exception is if a trainer wants you to do something you feel is unsafe--then ask for clarification and tell them how you feel about that particular instruction. A good instructor will explain the procedure again, why it is necessary, and then will ask for student input. A bad instructor that says something like my way or the highway, end the session.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 07:16 PM (xunV5)

227 I called mine a negligent discharge because although accidental indeed, it was caused by MY negligent handing of my firearm.
I am beyond words happy that my observing other rules of safety kept it from being a tragedy...

Posted by: jesse in dc at September 19, 2021 07:16 PM (kTRt4)

228 170 Apparently converting a Garand to .458 Winchester Magnum is a thing.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 19, 2021 06:54 PM (a3Q+t)

For the love of Baby Jeebuss. Why????

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at September 19, 2021 07:17 PM (bgJ0E)

229
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at September 19, 2021 07:15 PM

good to see you, Frank

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 19, 2021 07:17 PM (DUIap)

230 Long time no post. Only good news is to report is that I have successfully brought a Vickers machine gun back to life after it had been "de-activated".


I envy you. The Republicans have let me down for decades by not repealing the Hughes Amendment here.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has his RayBans on at September 19, 2021 07:17 PM (yQpMk)

231 Great question! How are the rest of you parting with guns when the time comes?

"Part with guns" ? I don't understand this sentence. I plan to keep 'em all 'till I die.

Seriously, I've only ever sold a couple of guns, and those were to people I knew. I'd be squeamish about selling to random strangers, even if they claimed to be Morons.

Posted by: a.moron at September 19, 2021 07:17 PM (I5FZ1)

232 Did you mention the hazing and initiation rites or are we still keeping those secret?
Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 07:10 PM (MVjcR)

Keel haul the scaliwags! Arrrrgh!

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 19, 2021 07:18 PM (U2p+3)

233 225 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at September 19, 2021 07:15 PM (bgJ0E)
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Howdy brother!! Been wondering about you!!
Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 07:16 PM (MVjcR)

Gidday back brother. How you going?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at September 19, 2021 07:18 PM (bgJ0E)

234 I've never had a "negligent discharge".
If I did I would swear off guns forever.
Because, negligent.

Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 07:20 PM (aAP3z)

235 229
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at September 19, 2021 07:15 PM

good to see you, Frank

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 19, 2021 07:17 PM (DUIap)

And you, good sir.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at September 19, 2021 07:20 PM (bgJ0E)

236 A buddy inherited his late brother's 9mm. He hasn't shot in decades, so since we both have an open Tuesday, going to meet him to shoot at a close range. I'll meet him at a local outdoor box store so he can pick up his eyes and ears.

Of course I need the practice. And taking a newbie to the range is a good way to reinforce the safety rules. Kind of like spring training for baseball players, always good to go back to basics.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 19, 2021 07:20 PM (sy5kK)

237 The conversion kit reminded me of a Colunbo episode where the bad gun used a conversion kit and plot holes to almost get away.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 19, 2021 07:20 PM (T1fV4)

238
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at September 19, 2021 07:18 PM (bgJ0E)
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Pretty dang bueno. Work is good, home is good, and I just came back from a couple of days at the farm. I have a cat and one and a half dogs in my lap, and I'm hanging out with you all. Yep. All good.

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 07:21 PM (MVjcR)

239 234 I've never had a "negligent discharge".
If I did I would swear off guns forever.
Because, negligent.
Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 07:20 PM (aAP3z

You are not going to like my ammo/FN Minimi UD stories then.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at September 19, 2021 07:22 PM (bgJ0E)

240 The .38 Short Colt was a heeled bullet like .22 LR with the bullet flush with the case. The later .38 S&W and then the later .38 Special did not use heeled bullets and as a result, the chamber in those later is quite a bit smaller to reflect a bullet inside the case rather than the bullet being flush with the case opening in diameter.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 07:22 PM (xunV5)

241 219 Posted by: RI Red at September 19, 2021 07:10 PM (CJtAX)
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You're going to get rusty!
Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 07:14 PM (

You laugh. But having just returned from my 29th HS reunion, I'm realizing I have maybe 10 years left of effective long range shooting!
(Which also is a good argument for Mrs. Red about why I have to buy optics, etc.)

Posted by: RI Red at September 19, 2021 07:22 PM (CJtAX)

242 The really funny bit about that meme is that is NOT a .50 caliber handgun. It looks very much like a .357 from Taurus, maybe Ruger (I don't think Ruger ports theirs, do they?). And, none of the ammo is .50 caliber, either.

But still funny.
(Now to the comments)

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 07:22 PM (ugHaR)

243 I have a cat and one and a half dogs in my lap, and I'm hanging out with you all. Yep. All good.
Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 07:21 PM


Give WD and FSJ a couple of pets and ear rubs for us, and tell them we hope to see them soon.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 19, 2021 07:23 PM (a3Q+t)

244 Range report: I'll be sending my writeup of the farm visit to Weasel for next week's gun thread (nobody said anything about homework) but I still made it out to ESS this morning for another G19/.22LR AR split.

So with the AR, someone in last week's thread helpfully mentioned slightly squinting with one eye to help with keeping the red dot steady and that worked like a charm.

As for the G19, I ran the Dot Torture drill again at 4 yards and did better than last week but still was off by a few shots for the one hand portions. Which is hardly surprising since I did no dry fire practice this week.

Posted by: Thicc Boi at September 19, 2021 07:23 PM (zThcc)

245 195 GWB

Thank you for saying all that. I came away kind of feeling like I had failed somehow, because I was trying so hard to do the correct things. The one thing about the instructor I did not like was that she did not really give me much positive feedback. At the very end of the session, literally as I was packed up and ready to leave, I asked her how I did. THEN she said I was very attentive, that I did what she told me to, that she saw improvement in the 7 rounds that I did shoot. I really needed to hear that but I'm not at all sure she would have said any of it if I hadn't asked.

Posted by: tecumsehtea at September 19, 2021 07:23 PM (skoMC)

246 You shot his ear off TecumsehTea! That's usually enough to slow 'em down.
Posted by: f'd at September 19, 2021 06:06 PM (Tnijr)

Jesus will make you put your gun away if you do that, then heal the ear.

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 07:24 PM (ugHaR)

247 I had a half dog once. He didn't eat much but he was faithful.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 19, 2021 07:24 PM (Xrfse)

248 Give WD and FSJ a couple of pets and ear rubs for us, and tell them we hope to see them soon.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 19, 2021 07:23 PM (a3Q+t)
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Absolutely will do.

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 07:24 PM (MVjcR)

249 Apparently converting a Garand to .458 Winchester Magnum is a thing.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 19, 2021 06:54 PM (a3Q+t)

For the love of Baby Jeebuss. Why????

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at September 19, 2021 07:17 PM


Because someone wants a busted shoulder.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 19, 2021 07:25 PM (JUOKG)

250 NZFrank, I was worried about you . . .

Posted by: RI Red at September 19, 2021 07:25 PM (CJtAX)

251 Posted by: Thicc Boi at September 19, 2021 07:23 PM (zThcc)
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Ha! Did I mention you should say nice things?

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 07:25 PM (MVjcR)

252 My own dad did a negligent discharge. I will never forget it.
He was in the second floor of a house, I was a child in the first floor, playing with my cousins.
Grandpa got a .357 magnum revolver.
Somehow, they were both handling it, while loaded AND THE HAMMER WAS BACK.
(BAD MOVE)
A round went off, through the floor, and barely missing my 4 year old cousin.
I will never forget it.

Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 07:26 PM (aAP3z)

253 Good to hear Mr Weasel. I am in semi lockdown and have put the finishing concept of ops for world domination into Phase 1. Phase 2 involves ropes and lampposts, just add politician's. Strong rope is hard to find so I may substitute burning the Reichstag to the ground with the doors locked.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at September 19, 2021 07:26 PM (bgJ0E)

254 A round went off, through the floor, and barely missing my 4 year old cousin.
I will never forget it.
Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 07:26 PM (aAP3z)

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It was like Tuzla all over again.

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary! 2016, Who Will Never Be President of the United States at September 19, 2021 07:27 PM (VxC1e)

255 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at September 19, 2021 07:26 PM (bgJ0E)
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I hear you bro!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 07:27 PM (MVjcR)

256 Closest thing I've had to a ND/AD (so far) was shooting a new pistol (Glock) for the first time. I was at the range, pointed downrange at the target and barely touched the trigger and it fired when I wasn't expecting it. Surprised the crap out of me! Given the circumstances, there was no harm done, but it reinforced the need to always ALWAYS! keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire.

That pistol doesn't seem to have an especially sensitive trigger, so I'm not sure what happened.

Posted by: a.moron at September 19, 2021 07:27 PM (I5FZ1)

257 the current thinking here, re "what to do with the gubs when we're gone?" is A: put them in a firearms trust. B: attach said trust to our individual trusts C: when the survivor dies, all assets in the trust and the gubs go to the CRPA, who will surely need the assets to fund legal suits against more stupid #Failifornia gub laws.

after all, it's not as either of us has any flesh and blood heirs to leave anything to.

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it at September 19, 2021 07:29 PM (XnXLV)

258 Hiya Sharon !

Posted by: JT at September 19, 2021 07:29 PM (arJlL)

259 Hiya Ladyl !

Posted by: JT at September 19, 2021 07:29 PM (arJlL)

260 NZFrank!
Good to see you! How is the bride?
Any chance of making it to TX before Armageddon?

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 19, 2021 07:30 PM (U2p+3)

261 Moral of the story, don't let 2 people handle a firearm at the same time.

Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 07:30 PM (aAP3z)

262 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at September 19, 2021 07:26 PM (bgJ0E)

I can understand how you feel. I am surprised you were able to acquire a Vickers in the current political climate.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 07:30 PM (mcfjc)

263 I only provided links; redc1c4 has been talking the NRA Women's classes up for a while now and I was looking to see if there was anything local.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 19, 2021 07:31 PM (ACi07)

264 I have to say that those of us in Northern Virginia are spoiled with range facilities.

Went to a place in Central Florida that was one of the better equipped in the area. Maybe even best equipped. And it was a far cry from what we have here.

Spoiled we are.

Posted by: blaster at September 19, 2021 07:31 PM (mbFEM)

265 I am in semi lockdown

Man, that sucks bigly.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 19, 2021 07:31 PM (Xrfse)

266 JT!

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 19, 2021 07:31 PM (U2p+3)

267 Hiya Nurse !

How ya doin' ?

Posted by: JT at September 19, 2021 07:32 PM (arJlL)

268 I wish I'd known it was the .22 conversion episode this week.
I've got an old colt gold cup 1911 that came in a display case with its own .22 conversion kit.
All matchy matchy... it's very cool.
I was looking for a gold cup and when I saw this I couldn't pass it up.

Posted by: Inogame at September 19, 2021 07:33 PM (+2xjH)

269 Moral of the story, don't let 2 people handle a firearm at the same time.

Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 07:30 PM (aAP3z)
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No, I'd say the moral is to UNLOAD a firearm before you play show n' tell with it. It's a little funny, but if you are around people used to handling them, they have a nervous tic regarding it, constantly checking to make sure a cartridge didn't jump into the chamber when they weren't looking.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 07:33 PM (llXky)

270 Thank you for saying all that. I came away kind of feeling like I had failed somehow, because I was trying so hard to do the correct things. The one thing about the instructor I did not like was that she did not really give me much positive feedback. At the very end of the session, literally as I was packed up and ready to leave, I asked her how I did. THEN she said I was very attentive, that I did what she told me to, that she saw improvement in the 7 rounds that I did shoot. I really needed to hear that but I'm not at all sure she would have said any of it if I hadn't asked.
Posted by: t


there is no crying in baseball

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 19, 2021 07:34 PM (K3ZCc)

271 263 I only provided links; redc1c4 has been talking the NRA Women's classes up for a while now and I was looking to see if there was anything local.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 19, 2021 07:31 PM
HH, Mrs. E used to shoot at Top Shot in Longview on Tuesday nights with a women's group, I think Well-Armed Woman it was.

Posted by: Eromero at September 19, 2021 07:34 PM (0OP+5)

272 If you say "pork chop pectorals" three times, Hogmartin magically appears.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 07:07 PM (llXky)


*perks up*

Posted by: hogmartin at September 19, 2021 07:34 PM (P4LRL)

273 Also, Thicc Boi, you don't need to mention how I iss-mayed the arget-tay on my first shot Saturday.

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 07:34 PM (MVjcR)

274 Sundays use to be a day to come home from church, relax and watch the NFL. Cheap entertainment plus I got to yell at the TV. Gave up the NFL last year . Don't miss it. Gun thread is my Sunday replacement. Only thing missing is someone to yell at.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * standing out in the open at September 19, 2021 07:34 PM (3vMKV)

275 How ya doin' ?
Posted by: JT at September

Good!
Gotta work tomorrow, but making lunch for my boys on Tuesday.

How you?

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 19, 2021 07:35 PM (U2p+3)

276 Well, Giggles is soon to call, so I'll say g'night. I am a) sorry I won't make the TXMoMe b) regretful that I shot a hole in my wife's table, particularly since she won't let me fix it, as it's a "lesson to us all" and 3) contemplating selling an unfired CMP Garand, as I must purchase other things that will help in the burning times (email in nic) at Rancho Plan "B".

ThanX! to all and it's good to hear from Frank in NZ. Thank you, Weasle for all the work you do for us. 'nite, all

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at September 19, 2021 07:35 PM (Iw46i)

277 256 a.moron,
Don't feel bad about it. I recently read a column in one of the gun mags, Guns? maybe. One police department used the old double action type firearm and switched to Glocks without making sure the requisite additional training to keep the finger in register outside of the trigger guard was done. AD and ND went up in that police dept. The other police department spent the money on training and had no increase despite changing to Glocks.

One of the issues is that people naturally and subconsciously check the trigger to make sure that it is there with their finger. Uncertainty with a new firearm makes that more likely as well. Video studies have shown that people that do not train specifically to keep their finger in register (along and above the trigger guard on the side of the pistol) until ready to shoot are more likely to touch the trigger inside the handguard with their trigger finger.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 07:36 PM (xunV5)

278 {{{Nurse}}}

{{{Helena Handbasket}}}

Posted by: Ladyl at September 19, 2021 07:36 PM (TdMsT)

279 *perks up*

Posted by: hogmartin at September 19, 2021 07:34 PM (P4LRL)
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See, it works.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 07:36 PM (llXky)

280 and not send a notice to anyone.
Posted by: blaster at September 19, 2021 06:24 PM (mbFEM)


I'm not sending a notice to ANYONE, EVER. I wouldn't move to a gun-unfriendly state, but if I did, those weapons would simply be in boxes I put in the back of a U-Haul that I, myself, was driving. If I owned a safe, I would empty the safe and load it into the truck, then load the safe with weapons (and good padding) and lock it.

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 07:36 PM (ugHaR)

281 Nite, McGyver!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 07:36 PM (MVjcR)

282 Benjamin Boyce interviews someone who talks about gun control, but talks more about the coof and the culture war. He seems to have a talent for reading statistics and has a blog.

https://youtu.be/ZIIOmbIq1Jc

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 19, 2021 07:36 PM (ybIRR)

283 Sharon, I think the next show at Chantilly after 1-3 October is scheduled for the weekend before Thanksgiving. It gives more time to save up $$...

Posted by: Ed L at September 19, 2021 07:36 PM (7je7d)

284 How you?
Posted by: nurse ratched

Quack - Quack !

Posted by: JT at September 19, 2021 07:36 PM (arJlL)

285 Apparently Gen. Milley was inclined to report to CCP in case of an accidental discharge of nukes. He doesn't even deny it.

Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 07:37 PM (aAP3z)

286 See, it works.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 07:36 PM (llXky)

Hmmm, I wonder if we can use him for ....ummm...testing. Yeah, testing.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 07:37 PM (mcfjc)

287 Sundays use to be a day to come home from church, relax and watch the NFL. Cheap entertainment plus I got to yell at the TV. Gave up the NFL last year . Don't miss it. Gun thread is my Sunday replacement. Only thing missing is someone to yell at.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * standing out in the open at September 19, 2021 07:34 PM (3vMKV)
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Put it on CNN or MSNBC. You'll yell until your vocal cords break.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 07:38 PM (llXky)

288 Looks like Robert Francis "Beto"* O'Rourke is going to run for Texas Governor on the Dem side. if he does, we'll be assaulted 24/7 with his "Hell yes, we are going to take your AR-15!" video clip.

* Given his guitar playing in a sheep outfit, many thing "Baato" is a better nickname.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 19, 2021 07:38 PM (a3Q+t)

289 so I may substitute burning the Reichstag to the ground with the doors locked.
Posted by: NZFrank

You do give off that Lt. Aldo Raine vibe you inglorious basterd!

Posted by: Sock Monkey * standing out in the open at September 19, 2021 07:39 PM (3vMKV)

290 Thank you for saying all that. I came away kind of feeling like I had failed somehow, because I was trying so hard to do the correct things. The one thing about the instructor I did not like was that she did not really give me much positive feedback. At the very end of the session, literally as I was packed up and ready to leave, I asked her how I did. THEN she said I was very attentive, that I did what she told me to, that she saw improvement in the 7 rounds that I did shoot. I really needed to hear that but I'm not at all sure she would have said any of it if I hadn't asked.
Posted by: t

I get this, however, if you ever do do that you are going to find yourself behind enemy lines with a bunch of shit hanging over you if they are ever discovered.

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 19, 2021 07:39 PM (K3ZCc)

291 Alternatively, she may be acting as a deterrent, reminding bad guys that while she's carrying openly, there are likely others around.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 06:28 PM (llXky)

She might also just figure it's unnecessary, and she doesn't like the odds of having to uncover while she's also trying to get her children behind her.

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 07:39 PM (ugHaR)

292 Safe handling of firearms.
Rule number one: Don't shoot yourself.
Rule number two: Don't shoot me.

Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 07:40 PM (aAP3z)

293 She might also just figure it's unnecessary, and she doesn't like the odds of having to uncover while she's also trying to get her children behind her.

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 07:39 PM (ugHaR)
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There you go, bringing up the obvious answer!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 07:41 PM (llXky)

294 Duncanthrax @ 288- I bet bido won't even mention guns in public if he runs for TX Governor.

Posted by: Eromero at September 19, 2021 07:41 PM (0OP+5)

295 Closest I came to an ND was... actually this isn't an ND story (finger off the trigger unless &c&c) it's another rule (keep it pointed in a safe direction). Finished shooting an M1 Carbine and locked the bolt back with that fiddly little button, leaned it against a picnic table and planted the butt so it wouldn't slide away, and the ended up staring down the muzzle as the bolt release... released. If that doesn't get you to start thinking about muzzle discipline, then maybe shooting is not for you.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 19, 2021 07:41 PM (P4LRL)

296 Put it on CNN or MSNBC. You'll yell until your vocal cords break.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd

One, those channels aren't carried on hillbilly TV , and two, I avoid self flagellation wherever possible.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * standing out in the open at September 19, 2021 07:42 PM (3vMKV)

297 It's a little funny, but if you are around people used to handling them, they have a nervous tic regarding it, constantly checking to make sure a cartridge didn't jump into the chamber when they weren't looking.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September

Right?!? It's muscle memory. Someone hands you a firearm, without thinking you make certain it's clear. Every time.

It was either Helena Handbasket or Steck who taught me to look down, backwards and forwards through and unloaded pistol whenever it is handed to you. And the rack the slide and look again.

I have the time to look. Every time. M

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 19, 2021 07:42 PM (U2p+3)

298 NZFrank, I was worried about you . . .
Posted by: RI Red at September 19, 2021 07:25 PM (CJtAX)

Thanks for the concern, but I am the man they can't shoot , root or electrocute.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at September 19, 2021 07:42 PM (bgJ0E)

299 292 Safe handling of firearms.
Rule number one: Don't shoot yourself.

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There's a honeymoon exception to this rule.

Posted by: A. Schicklegruber at September 19, 2021 07:43 PM (VxC1e)

300 Hmmm, I wonder if we can use him for ....ummm...testing. Yeah, testing.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 07:37 PM (mcfjc)


You stay away from my pulpy orange lung tissue.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 19, 2021 07:43 PM (P4LRL)

301 Safe handling of firearms.
Rule number one: Don't shoot yourself.
Rule number two: Don't shoot me.
Posted by: G


other way round

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 19, 2021 07:43 PM (K3ZCc)

302 Looks like Robert Francis "Beto"* O'Rourke is going to run for Texas Governor on the Dem side. if he does, we'll be assaulted 24/7 with his "Hell yes, we are going to take your AR-15!" video clip.

* Given his guitar playing in a sheep outfit, many thing "Baato" is a better nickname.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 19, 2021 07:38 PM (a3Q+t)
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Gotta separate those liberal wine moms from their money somehow.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 07:43 PM (llXky)

303 Tecumseh Tea,
Trainers differ just like other instructors in other disciplines, some believe in tough love with scant praises, others are a bit more generous. You are paying the bill so ask for feedback if the instructor is not giving any. It is cheap enough to buy your own headphones that have noise cutting microphones (they cutoff any gunfire sounds) but not normal conversations between people. These are useful on the range especially indoor ranges.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 07:43 PM (xunV5)

304 Rule number one: Don't shoot yourself.
Rule number two: Don't shoot me.
Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 07:40 PM (aAP3z)
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These rules really lend themselves to extension and modification.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 19, 2021 07:43 PM (EZebt)

305 Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 07:36 PM (ugHaR)

As my handgun and rifle are registered in NYC, I am looking forward to the day when I retire and leave this place and move to a more friendly State.

I will also respond to any emails from the NYPD to turn in my firearms because I have not renewed my permits by telling them to go pound sand.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 07:44 PM (mcfjc)

306 >>> 140 Selling my Garand. Worst. Decision. Ever.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 19, 2021 06:45 PM (Xrfse)

This is correct, because you didn't sell it to me!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 19, 2021 07:44 PM (ACi07)

307 You stay away from my pulpy orange lung tissue.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 19, 2021 07:43 PM (P4LRL)
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Is that why you walk around wearing 60 layers of fleece?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 07:44 PM (llXky)

308
Rule number one: Don't shoot yourself.
Rule number two: Don't shoot me.

Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 07:40 PM


actually, I see it as

Rule 1: don't shoot me
Rule 2: don't shoot yourself

but I'm selfish like that

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 19, 2021 07:46 PM (DUIap)

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 19, 2021 07:46 PM (DUIap)

310 Sadly, Robert Francis O'Rourke is probably the one thing that can get me to vote for Abbott.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 19, 2021 07:46 PM (a3Q+t)

311 I will also respond to any emails from the NYPD to turn in my firearms because I have not renewed my permits by telling them to go pound sand.
Posted by: S


betcha do not

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 19, 2021 07:46 PM (K3ZCc)

312 but I know it's gone 300 BLK in the past.
Posted by: PacosMojo at September 19, 2021 06:39 PM (3YKL4)

Not so sure. They say once you go Blackout you never go back. Out. Or something.

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 07:46 PM (ugHaR)

313 OK, I stand corrected.

Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 07:47 PM (aAP3z)

314
rule 3 involves closing tags, but I don't want to talk about that right now

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 19, 2021 07:47 PM (DUIap)

315 Duncanthrax @ 288- I bet bido won't even mention guns in public if he runs for TX Governor.

I dunno. It got him a lot of attention, which is what he wanted and what he will need to fun for gov. He'll be the first D candidate since Ma Richards whose name doesn't elicit a response of "who?"

Posted by: Oddbob at September 19, 2021 07:48 PM (nfrXX)

316 No, I'd say the moral is to UNLOAD a firearm before you play show n' tell with it. It's a little funny, but if you are around people used to handling them, they have a nervous tic regarding it, constantly checking to make sure a cartridge didn't jump into the chamber when they weren't looking.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 07:33 PM (llXky)


Someone came it to sell a .380 to my barber while I was in the chair getting a trim. They passed it back and forth, and I asked if I could look too.
I pinched the slide back and looked to make sure "nobody's home" and then admired it all over and passed it back with a compliment and said if I were interested in an additional caliber I for sure would buy that one.
Asshoes don't get good deals, but I didn't want my balls shot off by a yahoo either.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 19, 2021 07:48 PM (ssx3L)

317 rule 3 involves closing tags, but I don't want to talk about that right now
Posted by: AltonJackson at September 19, 2021 07:47 PM


If ace doesn't worry about them, why should you?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 19, 2021 07:48 PM (a3Q+t)

318 Regarding checking firearms for live rounds, I put a finger in the chamber for a feel (being careful not to do a slide release and holding the slide on an semi automatic pistol or rifle). Revolvers, get use to feeling each cylinder at the rear and the empty chamber in shotguns and rifles. Do it enough to become muscle memory and you can now check your firearm for being loaded in the dark.

A lot of the new semi automatic pistols have a raised loaded chamber indicator either at the chamber or at the back of the slide. Learn to check those by touch. I am not a fan of the press check but other semi automatics have a small slot at the back of the chamber when the slide is released so you can see if a cartridge in in the chamber.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 07:49 PM (xunV5)

319 betcha do not

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 19, 2021 07:46 PM (K3ZCc)

If I am residing in Texas why wouldn't I?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 07:49 PM (mcfjc)

320 Seems like there are a lot of rules in this gun-shooting business.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 19, 2021 07:49 PM (VxC1e)

321 260 NZFrank!
Good to see you! How is the bride?
Any chance of making it to TX before Armageddon?
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 19, 2021 07:30 PM (U2p+3)

I would give anything to be there in TX, but right now we be fooked. If we leave the country for a visit or holiday I can work on not being able to return until early 2022. That's how effing useless this excuse for a government are.
Come the revolution.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at September 19, 2021 07:49 PM (bgJ0E)

322
Someone came it to sell a .380 to my barber while I was in the chair getting a trim....

Posted by: Kindltot at September 19, 2021 07:48 PM


that never happens at Great Clips

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 19, 2021 07:50 PM (DUIap)

323 Posted by: callsign claymore at September 19, 2021 06:44 PM (2yWNi)

OK, THAT had me laughing so hard.

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 07:51 PM (ugHaR)

324 If I am residing in Texas why wouldn't I?
Posted by: S

got it,

I read that to be if you were ny,

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 19, 2021 07:51 PM (K3ZCc)

325 As always, I am indebted to your persistent excellence Weasel. Suppose to have a hard freeze tonight so I need to go finish harvesting my root crops. Picked 25 gallons of apples before I came up for some Weasel et al wisdom. Thanks gun lubbers.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * standing out in the open at September 19, 2021 07:51 PM (3vMKV)

326 I can work on not being able to return until early 2022. That's how effing useless this excuse for a government are.

Utter madness.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 19, 2021 07:52 PM (Xrfse)

327 A whole lot of data on recent increases of ammo sales - FYI.

"Data Study: 18 Months of Ammo Sales during a Pandemic, Protests, and the Biden Presidency"

https://tinyurl.com/ycmu5k7p

Example: 9mm sales in Texas for the 18 months from Feb. 2020 to Aug. 2021 were up 1,866%, compared to the pevious 18 month period.

Posted by: Gref at September 19, 2021 07:52 PM (AMIL/)

328 Looks like Robert Francis "Beto"* O'Rourke is going to run for Texas Governor on the Dem side. if he does, we'll be assaulted 24/7 with his "Hell yes, we are going to take your AR-15!" video clip.


That'll be the day.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at September 19, 2021 07:52 PM (jvt6t)

329
Posted by: Sock Monkey * standing out in the open at September 19, 2021 07:51 PM (3vMKV)
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Aw, shucks! Thanks for being here Sock Monkey!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 07:53 PM (MVjcR)

330 Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 07:34 PM (MVjcR)
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Oh that? I was planning on making that the centerpiece of the write up.

Posted by: Thicc Boi at September 19, 2021 07:54 PM (zThcc)

331 Tecumseh Tea, the headphones/earmuffs that Whig mentions go for about $65 in my local range's shop. If you don't have a pair, I recommend picking one up. The ones I'm familiar with need a AA battery to run.

Posted by: Ed L at September 19, 2021 07:54 PM (7je7d)

332 Before we know it hunting season will be here. If you have hunting stuff visible in your truck be particular about where you park it on your way to and from.

Posted by: Eromero at September 19, 2021 07:54 PM (0OP+5)

333 I read that to be if you were ny,

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 19, 2021 07:51 PM (K3ZCc)

Oh no, as long as I am in NY I will abide by their firearm rules. I have to renew in 2022 and again in 2025. After that I should be in Texas (or Florida) before the next renewal.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 07:54 PM (mcfjc)

334 If you had to, you could throw it down a sewer hole and not feel bad about not having an heirloom quality piece to give to your nephew.
Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 06:51 PM (aAP3z)


So... a Hi-Point?

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 07:55 PM (ugHaR)

335 Regarding checking firearms for live rounds, I put a finger in the chamber for a feel (being careful not to do a slide release and holding the slide on an semi automatic pistol or rifle). Revolvers, get use to feeling each cylinder at the rear and the empty chamber in shotguns and rifles. Do it enough to become muscle memory and you can now check your firearm for being loaded in the dark.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 07:49 PM (xunV5)
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A great thing about revolvers is that you can open the cylinder, insert your thumb through the opening to secure the frame, and load/unload isn't as much of an issue. It simply can't go off like that.

Obviously you want to clear it, but it's another example of how simple and safe revolvers can be, particularly for novices.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 07:55 PM (llXky)

336 Posted by: Thicc Boi at September 19, 2021 07:54 PM (zThcc)
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Ha! You should!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 07:55 PM (MVjcR)

337 269 No, I'd say the moral is to UNLOAD a firearm before you play show n' tell with it. It's a little funny, but if you are around people used to handling them, they have a nervous tic regarding it, constantly checking to make sure a cartridge didn't jump into the chamber when they weren't looking.

I have that tic with my personal firearms because when I check them out for storage and lubrication issues, I inevitably dry fire test them for function as well as the safety. So I always check them multiple times ( a bit obsessive compulsive) and point them in a safe direction before dry firing them. That is why I also use my finger in the chamber as a final check after conducting a visual check.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 07:55 PM (xunV5)

338 A lot of the new semi automatic pistols have a raised loaded chamber indicator either at the chamber or at the back of the slide. Learn to check those by touch. I am not a fan of the press check but other semi automatics have a small slot at the back of the chamber when the slide is released so you can see if a cartridge in in the chamber.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 07:49 PM (xunV5)

i assume all are loaded no matter what. If I have to function check my finger never gets near the trigger guard. It is coo;l to teach someone how to do a function check. I had to do that with a police deputy at a gun show the other day. I doubt he had ever seen an old school single action, I instructed him on how to make it inoperable. Good guy really, and even though it is statist tyranny, the randos are usually normalls just doing their jobs.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 07:55 PM (sOXXq)

339 One of these days, I'll splurge and get some fancy colors on my guns.....

Posted by: ZeroTBill at September 19, 2021 07:56 PM (hwhW9)

340 Oh no, as long as I am in NY I will abide by their firearm rules. I have to renew in 2022 and again in 2025. After that I should be in Texas (or Florida) before the next renewal.
Posted by: S

got it, def smart thing to do, no need to give them a chance to screw you, and they would now

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 19, 2021 07:57 PM (K3ZCc)

341 re:ear protection with microphone, I have a really nice pair that hubs bought for me. I could hear the instructor fine. And we were the only ones on the range.

Posted by: tecumsehtea at September 19, 2021 07:58 PM (skoMC)

342 And another thing.
Don't mix alcohol and gun play.
I know, there goes all the fun...

Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 07:58 PM (aAP3z)

343 Tecumseh Tea, sorry about not posting a link but here is ONE example from an big online shooting store of those earmuffs that have microphones cutting out on loud noises.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1018081551?pid=257607

Walker is a good brand as is Peltor.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 07:58 PM (xunV5)

344 331 Tecumseh Tea, the headphones/earmuffs that Whig mentions go for about $65 in my local range's shop. If you don't have a pair, I recommend picking one up. The ones I'm familiar with need a AA battery to run.

Posted by: Ed L at September 19, 2021 07:54 PM (7je7d)


I have a no-name pair I got at Wal*Mart for $25 or $30 bucks, that work great.

Posted by: a.moron at September 19, 2021 07:59 PM (I5FZ1)

345 My mother is have a colonoscopy tomorrow and is apparently at the stage where you drink the thing that makes you shit your brains out. Man, if it were anyone else I'd be cracking so many jokes right now.

Is there a special prayer for this kind of thing? Like a Hordian style prayer? Or maybe just light some candles?

Posted by: Robert *Be Ungovernable* - Iron Maiden, Senjutsu, OUT NOW!!! at September 19, 2021 07:59 PM (1Yy3c)

346 Posted by: tecumsehtea at September 19, 2021 07:58 PM (skoMC)
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Nice gift idea! Think of all the new Gun stuff you'll get for your birthday and Christmas!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 07:59 PM (MVjcR)

347 339 One of these days, I'll splurge and get some fancy colors on my guns.....
Posted by: ZeroTBill at September 19, 2021 07:56 PM (hwhW9)

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I recommend the Hello Kitty wrap.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 19, 2021 07:59 PM (VxC1e)

348 That's how effing useless this excuse for a government are.
Come the revolution.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at September 19, 2021 07:49 PM (bgJ0E)

Seriously, NZ and Oz have gone off the deep end. I just hope Dementia Joe doesn't get any ideas from them.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 07:59 PM (mcfjc)

349 And another thing.
Don't mix alcohol and gun play.
I know, there goes all the fun...

Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 07:58 PM (aAP3z)
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Alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives.

Four great things that go great together!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 08:00 PM (llXky)

350 Is there a special prayer for this kind of thing? Like a Hordian style prayer? Or maybe just light some candles?
Posted by: Robert *Be Ungovernable* - Iron Maiden, Senjutsu, OUT NOW!!! at September 19, 2021 07:59 PM (1Yy3c)

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No. For God's sake, no open flames.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 19, 2021 08:00 PM (VxC1e)

351 Is there a special prayer for this kind of thing? Like a Hordian style prayer? Or maybe just light some candles?
Posted by: Robert *Be Ungovernable* - Iron Maiden, Senjutsu, OUT NOW!!! at September 19, 2021 07:59 PM (1Yy3c)


this too will pass

Posted by: Kindltot at September 19, 2021 08:00 PM (ssx3L)

352 >>> 271 263 I only provided links; redc1c4 has been talking the NRA Women's classes up for a while now and I was looking to see if there was anything local.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 19, 2021 07:31 PM
HH, Mrs. E used to shoot at Top Shot in Longview on Tuesday nights with a women's group, I think Well-Armed Woman it was.
Posted by: Eromero at September 19, 2021 07:34 PM (0OP+5)

Thanks! I would like to find a place for my mom to learn from NotMe.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 19, 2021 08:00 PM (ACi07)

353 My mother is have a colonoscopy tomorrow and is apparently at the stage where you drink the thing that makes you shit your brains out. Man, if it were anyone else I'd be cracking so many jokes right now.

Is there a special prayer for this kind of thing? Like a Hordian style prayer? Or maybe just light some candles?
Posted by: Robert *Be Ungovernable* - Iron Maiden, Senjutsu, OUT NOW!!! at September 19, 2021 07:59 PM (1Yy3c)

Praying for y'all

Posted by: ZeroTBill at September 19, 2021 08:01 PM (hwhW9)

354 Walker is a good brand as is Peltor.
Posted by: w

if you get the Peltors get the comtac, but then you need the helmet to go with it.

your instructor is def going to notice you

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 19, 2021 08:01 PM (K3ZCc)

355 And another thing.
Don't mix alcohol and gun play.
I know, there goes all the fun...

Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 07:58 PM (aAP3z)

actually that is good advice. As one who likes a wine or Scotch now and then I appreciate the comment. I have never grabbed for a gun after drinking,but some do. After decades, guns to me are like wallets. Unless I am in a bar, if I am drinking, I am not going to go grab my wallet for some reason. The point is never do this, and really it should be easy to follow. If you can't follow that one, maybe guns are not for you.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:01 PM (sOXXq)

356 Quint, the reason that I do not like the press check is that it is primarily done on 1911's and depending on which model of 1911, it may not be drop safe. If it a carry piece, then for me, those are always loaded so there is no need to do a press check.

If I am checking a 1911 for function, I drop the mag and then rack the chamber and engage the slide lock. Then check with fingers and roll the pistol while pointing in a safe direction to make sure nothing rolled into the magazine well.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 08:02 PM (xunV5)

357 @Ben Had

Scratch us from the TxMoMee. I am about to pull the trigger on retirement. Much planning needs doing.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at September 19, 2021 08:02 PM (8C7+r)

358 I bet bido won't even mention guns in public if he runs for TX Governor.
Posted by: Eromero at September 19, 2021 07:41 PM


He won't, but Abbott sure will.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 19, 2021 08:03 PM (a3Q+t)

359 Is there a special prayer for this kind of thing? Like a Hordian style prayer? Or maybe just light some candles?

Posted by: Robert *Be Ungovernable* - Iron Maiden, Senjutsu, OUT NOW!!! at September 19, 2021 07:59 PM (1Yy3c)
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You can't go wrong with a Hail Mary. Repeat as necessary.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 08:03 PM (llXky)

360 The Emmys are on. I hope Wings wins for best sitcom and Lost wins for best series/drama.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:03 PM (sOXXq)

361 I recommend the Hello Kitty wrap.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 19, 2021 07:59 PM (VxC1e)

Maybe, but I was thinking a flat pink. Like this one from chappie: tinyurl.com/3az5tauh

Posted by: ZeroTBill at September 19, 2021 08:03 PM (hwhW9)

362 He also got one of those laser targets, so we have been practicing with that at home. We went from zero guns/accessories to . . . a bunch of those things. But he had experience with guns going back to childhood. His dad was a ww2 vet and taught all his boys to shoot.

Posted by: tecumsehtea at September 19, 2021 08:03 PM (skoMC)

363 And another thing.
Don't mix alcohol and gun play.
I know, there goes all the fun...

Posted by: G

when I started going hunting with my friends back in school I was the guy that made everybody stash the guns in the trunk before we started getting hammered.

it was not so bad since when the guns were out the booze was in the trunk for safety.

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 19, 2021 08:04 PM (K3ZCc)

364 Posted by: tecumsehtea at September 19, 2021 08:03 PM (skoMC)
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What do you think of the laser targets for practice?

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:05 PM (MVjcR)

365 As to getting rid of guns....
Only one. I had a Franchi SPAS-12 at one point. I shot it a few dozen rounds (I was renting an old farm house at the time and had LOTS of clear land to shoot one).

I quickly determined that however cool it might be, it was not a serious weapon for anyone but Ahnuld or his like. It was friggin' HEAVY and the shoulder stock (which actually WAS a "thing that goes up", as it folded over the top of the weapon) was nearly useless if the point of it is to reduce felt recoil. But, boy, was it fun switching back and forth from pump to semi and back again.

I swapped it (with a small amount of money also going one direction or the other) for a H&K VP70Z. If I could find the shoulder stock/holster for it I would go through the trouble of a Form 3 for it. Though I never shoot it because the trigger pull feels like it's somewhere around 30 pounds.

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 08:05 PM (ugHaR)

366 >>> 360 The Emmys are on. I hope Wings wins for best sitcom and Lost wins for best series/drama.
Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:03 PM (sOXXq)

How did YOU get to use the time machine?!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 19, 2021 08:05 PM (ACi07)

367 I bet bido won't even mention guns in public if he runs for TX Governor.
Posted by: Eromero at September 19, 2021 07:41 PM

He won't, but Abbott sure will.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 19, 2021 08:03 PM (a3Q+t)

beto, pronounced bet oh, will not ever be Texas gov. He should run in CA,half of Austin will move there just to vote for him.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:05 PM (sOXXq)

368 344 a. moron, that walker I had linked is 39.99 on sale from 79.99. I have bought some no name regular muffs in the past but I also double up with plugs when I have used them.

The issue with the cheaper generic ones is that I really don't trust Chinese quality control with my ears.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 08:05 PM (xunV5)

369 The Emmys are on. I hope Wings wins for best sitcom and Lost wins for best series/drama.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:03 PM (sOXXq)
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That new Simpsons show is so funny and edgy. I love it's cutting edge material!

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at September 19, 2021 08:06 PM (llXky)

370 The Emmys are on. I hope Wings wins for best sitcom and Lost wins for best series/drama.

It'll probably be Friends & The Wire.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at September 19, 2021 08:06 PM (jvt6t)

371 If Bido runs for Gov of Texas, the majority of the ads against him should be on his anti-gun stance. Especially one showing Rep Lauren Boebert confronting him during his Presidential run prior to her running for Congress.

https://tinyurl.com/mwywrrr2

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 08:07 PM (mcfjc)

372 As I do a lot of shooting work at night , I am almost paranoid enough about weapon handling. Have one story about a UD. Shooting things at night, return to base, clear the bolt rifle ie, drop mag, work action three times, point weapon in a safe direction (into the ground) and go click. Except no click, fucken boom! Extractor slipped off round in chamber and I had no white light to check chamber in the dark. As I was regarded as the guru on bang sticks that was embarrassing to say the least. Lesson learn, even after clearing drills always check chamber physically. And ease springs in a safe direction. I could have shot a mate.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at September 19, 2021 08:07 PM (bgJ0E)

373 I am pretty sure there was alcohol involved with that ND I mentioned earlier.
Might have been Wild Turkey.
Shots, neat.

Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 08:07 PM (aAP3z)

374 hat new Simpsons show is so funny and edgy. I love it's cutting edge material!

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at September 19, 2021 08:06 PM (llXky)

three seasons max.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:07 PM (sOXXq)

375 The VP70 is the coolest pistol ever, but you do know the stock has the full auto switch on it?

Posted by: Kindltot at September 19, 2021 08:07 PM (ssx3L)

376 Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at September 19, 2021 08:06 PM (llXky)

three seasons max.
Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:07 PM (sOXXq)

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And the merchandising rights are worthless.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 19, 2021 08:08 PM (VxC1e)

377 GWB,
Thanks for the Franchi Range Report. I have an old Mas Ayoob Stress Fire book on police and self defense shotgun training and he had an example of that particular shotgun in the book.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 08:08 PM (xunV5)

378 Barney Miller is funnier than Wings, but Wings has that cute chick. Good luck to them both.

Posted by: klaftern at September 19, 2021 08:08 PM (taPSh)

379 I was so despondent about not having 30 mm rings for my scope till November, I almost went to a ChinaMart for a quick substitute.
Luckily, my Jeep battery crapped out.
Fate is there for us.

Posted by: RI Red at September 19, 2021 08:08 PM (CJtAX)

380 You can't have an accidental discharge if you only pull the trigger when you expect the gun to fire.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 19, 2021 07:06 PM (U2p+3)

Based on his definition, you can't have a NEGLIGENT discharge doing that.

From what I remember the old "Saturday Night Special" .38 became a whipping boy for the anti-gun crowd because it was known for *accidental* discharges as many were poorly made.

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 08:09 PM (ugHaR)

381 Posted by: RI Red at September 19, 2021 08:08 PM (CJtAX)
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Grasshopper, grasshopper, grasshopper....

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:09 PM (MVjcR)

382 "Turns out everything my hubs told me (from his trainer, but a different range) was wrong."

Based on what? "Everything"? Really.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at September 19, 2021 08:09 PM (8C7+r)

383 I've got the weather machine!

Posted by: Zombie Al Bundy at September 19, 2021 08:09 PM (Xrfse)

384 half of Austin will move there just to vote for him.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:05 PM (sOXXq)

That will help Texas in countless ways.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 08:09 PM (mcfjc)

385 Amen, Frank. Poking your pinkie down there is always advised to complete clearing and checking.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 19, 2021 08:09 PM (ssx3L)

386 365 Weasel

I like it. It syncs up with an app on his phone so we cans see where we hit on the target. I like that feedback.

Posted by: tecumsehtea at September 19, 2021 08:10 PM (skoMC)

387 The VP70 is the coolest pistol ever, but you do know the stock has the full auto switch on it?

Posted by: Kindltot at September 19, 2021 08:07 PM (ssx3L)

i always liked the p38. Not the can opener, not the fighter plane, but the gun. The best was the BHP, but coolest, p38.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:10 PM (sOXXq)

388 Then he asked 'Do we have to report this?'
Posted by: Eromero at September 19, 2021 07:10 PM (0OP+5)


Where's that double-facepalm meme?

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 08:11 PM (ugHaR)

389 Posted by: tecumsehtea at September 19, 2021 08:10 PM (skoMC)
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Good! It's a very easy way to get in some practice between trips to the range.

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:11 PM (MVjcR)

390 382 "Turns out everything my hubs told me (from his trainer, but a different range) was wrong."

Based on what? "Everything"? Really.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at September 19, 2021 08:09 PM (8C7+r)

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Peering down the barrel to clear the weapon is right out.

Who knew?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 19, 2021 08:11 PM (VxC1e)

391
If I am checking a 1911 for function, I drop the mag and then rack the chamber and engage the slide lock. Then check with fingers and roll the pistol while pointing in a safe direction to make sure nothing rolled into the magazine well.
Posted by: w

I thought that the press check was unnecessary too, however I know some guys that used to ride outside of oh6s and they said that they would do that check every time they going out, and they were gunning G19s

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 19, 2021 08:11 PM (K3ZCc)

392 {{{Sharon}}}

{{{Nurse}}}

{{{LadyL}}}

32 days!!!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 19, 2021 08:12 PM (ACi07)

393 368
The issue with the cheaper generic ones is that I really don't trust Chinese quality control with my ears.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 08:05 PM (xunV5)


I agree fully on not trusting cheap Chinese crap. I figure in this case the most likely thing to fail is the electronics, in which case I have a pair of regular (non-amplified) muffs.

Unfortunately, it's become almost impossible to avoid buying cheap Chinese crap. Even formally respectable brand-name stuff is mostly made in China, by sleazy contract manufactures, who don't think twice about changing material and specifications, without notifying anyone about the changes. My company uses Chinese manufacturing, and this is a constant problem for us.

Posted by: a.moron at September 19, 2021 08:12 PM (I5FZ1)

394 beto, pronounced bet oh, will not ever be Texas gov. He should run in CA,half of Austin will move there just to vote for him.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:05 PM (sOXXq)
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Twenty years or so ago, Michigan was debating going to shall-issue carry. At a local watering hole, I was at a table next to some Dem staffers, and they were having an earnest discussion about why the change was such a terrible idea and the conversation gradually turned to their personal experiences of anger and near-violence.

Short version: they had serious anger issues and if they'd have had guns, they'd have shot a bunch of people in their miserable frustrated lives. Naturally, being educated, they were superior to the brutish masses, and one of them actually said: "I mean, if we feel that way, how would those *other* people handle their anger?!" They hated and feared guns because they couldn't trust themselves to have them.

Since then, the number of permit holders in Michigan increased by a factor of...12? 13? It's going up all the time. Still waiting for Wild West shootouts...

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 08:12 PM (llXky)

395 When I carry, I always try to smile and be extra nice. Because, these days, almost everyone is having a bad day, every day and I don't want to make it worse.

Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 08:12 PM (aAP3z)

396 beto, pronounced bet oh, will not ever be Texas gov.

I appreciate the optimism but we shouldn't take anything for granted. He came frighteningly close to becoming a senator. He will take Austin, DFW, Houston, and most of San Antonio. And the name recognition factor just might swing enough of the suburban soccer moms to push him over the line.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 19, 2021 08:12 PM (nfrXX)

397 You drop the mag and rack the slide 3 times.
What idiot can't do that?
Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 07:13 PM (aAP3z)


"Racking the slide" on a M-16 isn't as neat as a pistol.
Also, I guess it helps identify the morons who can't do that.

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 08:13 PM (ugHaR)

398 VP70? Look small, but it's got 18 rounds. Is it about the size of a 1911?

Posted by: ZeroTBill at September 19, 2021 08:13 PM (hwhW9)

399 Amen, Frank. Poking your pinkie down there is always advised to complete clearing and checking.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 19, 2021 08:09 PM (ssx3L)

He stuck his finger in the end of your what??

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 19, 2021 08:13 PM (7bRMQ)

400 380 GWB, in all fairness, most of the Rohm Revolvers that I have seen are a POS with pot metal construction. Especially avoid their .22LRs or .22 Mags.

Burgo or Arminius in .38 or others, typically .32 SW Long, on the other hand, have decent quality.

Some Spanish revolvers that are unlicensed copies of Smith and Wessons can get you into trouble too.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 08:13 PM (xunV5)

401 Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:09 PM (MVjcR)
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Oh! I remember this part of the lecture!

Posted by: Thicc Boi at September 19, 2021 08:14 PM (zThcc)

402 Peering down the barrel to clear the weapon is right out.

Who knew?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 19, 2021 08:11 PM (VxC1e)
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One gets very attentive to unloading procedures when examining the bore of a potential new purchase.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 08:14 PM (llXky)

403 Lahti is a fun pistol and so is the the Astra 1921 (A400)

Posted by: Kindltot at September 19, 2021 08:14 PM (ssx3L)

404 GWB, I don't think the VP70Z can take the stock because it doesn't have the special notches in the backstrap to attach the stock or activate the 3-shot burst mode. It should still be worth a decent chunk of change as a collector's piece even w/o that feature.

Posted by: Ed L at September 19, 2021 08:14 PM (7je7d)

405 Oh! I remember this part of the lecture!
Posted by: Thicc Boi at September 19, 2021 08:14 PM (zThcc)
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Good man!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:14 PM (MVjcR)

406 Who carries an M16?

Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 08:14 PM (aAP3z)

407 358 I bet bido won't even mention guns in public if he runs for TX Governor.
Posted by: Eromero at September 19, 2021 07:41 PM

He won't, but Abbott sure will.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 19, 2021 08:03 PM
You betcha he will. He better loud and often.

Posted by: Eromero at September 19, 2021 08:15 PM (0OP+5)

408 >>> 394
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Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 08:12 PM (llXky)

Hmm, a former cow-orker who was also a gun-control liberal said something very similar about herself (minus the part about other people).

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 19, 2021 08:15 PM (ACi07)

409 Posted by: RI Red at September 19, 2021 08:08 PM (CJtAX)

I bought my rings at a place Weasel recommended.

Here is the link

https://tinyurl.com/4vbj8dtv

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 08:15 PM (mcfjc)

410 I loaded up another 10 rds of 6.5 Creedmoor. 140gn NoslerPosted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 08:15 PM (mcfjc)
Dupont 4155 @ x.x gn for a second test run.

First 5-shot group @ 100 was .384 Just one hole.

Posted by: DBCooper at September 19, 2021 08:16 PM (phYRn)

411 Who carries an M16?
Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 08:14 PM (aAP3z)

Not the national guard or marines anymore. They got upgrades now. Taiwanese marines?

Posted by: ZeroTBill at September 19, 2021 08:16 PM (hwhW9)

412 Glocks from 3rd series on allow you to check the chamber via the extractor, it sticks out slightly when chamber is loaded and inwards when chamber is empty. You can confirm it by feel.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 08:16 PM (xunV5)

413 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 08:15 PM (mcfjc)
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Excellent!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:17 PM (MVjcR)

414 Out hunting elk. It is snowing, foggy and wet. Fun times.

Posted by: Igotnothing at September 19, 2021 08:17 PM (Twgay)

415 >>> 396 beto, pronounced bet oh, will not ever be Texas gov.

I appreciate the optimism but we shouldn't take anything for granted. He came frighteningly close to becoming a senator. He will take Austin, DFW, Houston, and most of San Antonio. And the name recognition factor just might swing enough of the suburban soccer moms to push him over the line.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 19, 2021 08:12 PM (nfrXX)

He could get help from more than one source.

Posted by: Massive Fcking Election Fraud at September 19, 2021 08:17 PM (ACi07)

416 Who carries an M16?

Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 08:14 PM (aAP3z)
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We do!

Posted by: The Tollyban at September 19, 2021 08:17 PM (llXky)

417 Since then, the number of permit holders in Michigan increased by a factor of...12? 13? It's going up all the time. Still waiting for Wild West shootouts...

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 08:12 PM (llXky)

many liberals are hoplophobes. i will tell a weird personal story. There was a weird family in our neighborhood. I think I met the kid through Weeblos or something. It certainly was not Boy Scouts, he was way to timid for that.

He once told me that his family would move if I got another gun. I didn't know how to respond because I was a kid. But the idiocy was pretty obvious. They were so scared of objects that they would move is a normal go another one. What would another gun do that all the other guys did not? Leftist hoplophobes are weird, we are seeing people like that today. i saw a 2 year old in a store masked up for the ball.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:18 PM (sOXXq)

418 Peering down the barrel to clear the weapon is right out.

Since I am so new to this gun thing, and more than a little intimidated by the gun, that is something I am not even a little bit tempted to do!

Posted by: tecumsehtea at September 19, 2021 08:18 PM (skoMC)

419 I've been thinking about selling a few of my guns.

I don't go shooting anymore, I don't have any men-folk in my lineage to whom I can leave them; it's pointless to just leave them in a safe or display case. And I'm 55 years old.

And I just stumbled across a rifle (bolt-action Savage in 0.223) that I had no idea I had, and can't remember buying. Goddamned thing has a camo stock -- I would never have purchased that. What the hell. I have a couple of synthetic stocks, but not camo -- that's not my style. I typically prefer wood, particularly for non-stainless rifles.

Just bizarre. Why keep it?

I have a couple of bolt-actions in better calibers I'll hang on to, forever. And a couple of ARs (one in 0.223, one in 0.30 I'll keep for the Burning Times. And a couple of carry pistols, and a few fun handguns (mostly cowboy revolvers). One 12 gauge (the first gun I ever bought), and I'll pick one 0.22 rifle to keep.

And everything else, I'll get rid of. The Chiappa Rhino, the Remington 1911, an actual elephant gun (in 0.416 Ruger), piece-of-shit AK47, piece-of-shit SKS, so many ill-advised purchases of my youth.

I'll just sell them to a gun shop.

Posted by: Pastafarian at September 19, 2021 08:19 PM (sgHEm)

420 323 Glad you enjoyed it.

Posted by: callsign claymore at September 19, 2021 08:19 PM (2yWNi)

421 Did you mention the hazing and initiation rites or are we still keeping those secret?

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 07:10 PM (MVjcR)

can't remember if i let you know the snake pit is well stocked.....they are mostly non-poisonous!

Posted by: rancherbob at September 19, 2021 08:19 PM (gtu9W)

422 Howdy Gub 'rons and 'ettes, and mad props to our host, Weasel.

Peripherally related to negligent discharges, I am trying to convince fellow concealed carriers that carrying AIWB does not automatically entail removal of one's wedding tackle via 9mm 124gr JHP ... if one is careful and has quality gear.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy Agr8U at September 19, 2021 08:19 PM (Agr8U)

423 >>> 417 Since then, the number of permit holders in Michigan increased by a factor of...12? 13? It's going up all the time. Still waiting for Wild West shootouts...

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 08:12 PM (llXky)

many liberals are hoplophobes. i will tell a weird personal story. There was a weird family in our neighborhood. I think I met the kid through Weeblos or something. It certainly was not Boy Scouts, he was way to timid for that.

He once told me that his family would move if I got another gun. I didn't know how to respond because I was a kid. But the idiocy was pretty obvious. They were so scared of objects that they would move is a normal go another one. What would another gun do that all the other guys did not? Leftist hoplophobes are weird, we are seeing people like that today. i saw a 2 year old in a store masked up for the ball.
Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:18 PM (sOXXq)

You missed your chance; should have told him you'd just gotten *two* more.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 19, 2021 08:20 PM (ACi07)

424 I bought my rings at a place Weasel recommended.

Here is the link

https://tinyurl.com/4vbj8dtv
Posted by: S




which gun?

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 19, 2021 08:20 PM (K3ZCc)

425 Posted by: DBCooper at September 19, 2021 08:16 PM (phYRn)
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DB - I edited out the load charge - rather not have them posted in the thread. Thx.

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:20 PM (MVjcR)

426 He once told me that his family would move if I got another gun.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:18 PM (sOXXq)
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Wait, were you storing them out on external weapon racks? Mounting them on decorative stands? How would they know?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 08:20 PM (llXky)

427 Tried to see if my East German Makarov could be fired with a trigger guard in place. Yes it can.

Posted by: Igotnothing at September 19, 2021 08:20 PM (Twgay)

428 Only thing missing is someone to yell at.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * standing out in the open at September 19, 2021 07:34 PM (3vMKV)


I'm happy to oblige. Which do you want, the 9mm as a 1911, the 9mm vs .45 caliber wars, or the Glock/Never Glock fight?

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 08:20 PM (ugHaR)

429 Who carries an M16?

Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 08:14 PM (aAP3z)
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We do!

Posted by: The Tollyban at September 19, 2021 08:17 PM (llXky)

i always wanted an old school m16A1. It would seem tiny since I carried an m16/m203 but I always wanted one, with no sights. But don't go by me, i am a bit of a Luddite. If it wasn't on Magnum PI or Simon and Simon, it is all fantasy stuff to me.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:21 PM (sOXXq)

430 which gun?

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 19, 2021 08:20 PM (K3ZCc)

Savage 110 Tactical in .308

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 08:21 PM (mcfjc)

431 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy Agr8U at September 19, 2021 08:19 PM (Agr8U)
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S'puppy!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:21 PM (MVjcR)

432 Sorry weasel!! I forgot!!

Posted by: DBCooper at September 19, 2021 08:22 PM (phYRn)

433 Posted by: rancherbob at September 19, 2021 08:19 PM (gtu9W)
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Nice! Give 'em a chance.

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:22 PM (MVjcR)

434 If it wasn't on Magnum PI or Simon and Simon, it is all fantasy stuff to me.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:21 PM (sOXXq)
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*nods*

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 08:23 PM (llXky)

435 He once told me that his family would move if I got another gun.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:18 PM (sOXXq)
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Wait, were you storing them out on external weapon racks? Mounting them on decorative stands? How would they know?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 08:20 PM (llXky)

they would just feel it i guess or i would have to make some proclamation in the town square. To be fair to them, they were ahead of their time. They were the Lefties, Lefties always wanted to be but didn't think they could get away with being.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:23 PM (sOXXq)

436 Posted by: DBCooper at September 19, 2021 08:22 PM (phYRn)
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No prob. All good.

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:23 PM (MVjcR)

437 Calling it a night.

Thanks again Weasel, always informative and entertaining.

RI Red, check out that website for rings.

NZFrank, good hearing from you again.

Night everyone!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 08:23 PM (mcfjc)

438 I get this, however, if you ever do do that you are going to find yourself behind enemy lines with a bunch of shit hanging over you if they are ever discovered.
Posted by: confederatefifth at September 19, 2021 07:39 PM (K3ZCc)

I think you was talkin' to me, not her.

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 08:23 PM (ugHaR)

439 418 Tecumsehtea,

They make small led lights on a flexible neck that you can use to check firearms with. Wincester makes a flexible led bore light that they sell for $7. You can get similar generic ones at Harbor Freight for even less or in a sporting goods department that sells firearms.

Cheap and easy to keep in range bag along with earmuffs and plugs. If someone on an indoor range is firing a rifle other than a .22 Long Rifle, it can get a bit noisy so having ear plugs plus earmuffs cuts down the sound. If someone is firing a rifle with a muzzle brake indoors, I personally get as far away from them as possible as the blast and concussion is not pleasant.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 08:23 PM (xunV5)

440 Wait, were you storing them out on external weapon racks? Mounting them on decorative stands? How would they know?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 08:20 PM (llXky)

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The turrets with the interlocking lines of fire on the house were a dead giveaway.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 19, 2021 08:23 PM (VxC1e)

441 I volunteered at a match. Reset and paint plates, tap targets, move targets. Lots of fun.

Plus I got to meet Julie Golob and her husband!

Posted by: ChupaMe at September 19, 2021 08:24 PM (FAMDL)

442 Tecumseh Tea, would you be willing to write a more in depth review? Given the price of ammo these days, I'm sure there's interest here in seeing what worked for you with this setup.

Posted by: Ed L at September 19, 2021 08:24 PM (7je7d)

443 Peripherally related to negligent discharges, I am trying to convince fellow concealed carriers that carrying AIWB does not automatically entail removal of one's wedding tackle via 9mm 124gr JHP ... if one is careful and has quality gear.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy Agr8U at September 19, 2021 08:19 PM (Agr8U)


You certainly can, if you choose to. I generally prefer carry weapons without external safeties, but there's something to be said for having an extra last-ditch safeguard for re-holstering if a shirttail or something gets caught in the trigger guard.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 19, 2021 08:25 PM (P4LRL)

444 Interesting that the 8 in 0.308 became an emoji for a dude with sunglasses.

I'm partly putting this up to see if it happens again. Knew I should have called it 7.62 NATO instead. (Yes, I know, you pedants, they're not exactly the same blah blah blah, the goddamned rifle fires either one.)

Posted by: Pastafarian at September 19, 2021 08:25 PM (sgHEm)

445 OK! 9:30 thank you time!

Thank you!

Man, did the time go fast tonight. Thanks for being here everyone. I really do appreciate it!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:25 PM (MVjcR)

446 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2021 08:23 PM (mcfjc)
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Nite scoob!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:26 PM (MVjcR)

447
thanks, Weasel

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 19, 2021 08:26 PM (DUIap)

448 Thanks much, Weasel.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 19, 2021 08:26 PM (Xrfse)

449 428 Nah, pick a real fight! That new fangled Colt Paterson revolver versus single shot, cap and ball pistols!

* pops popcorn *

Posted by: callsign claymore at September 19, 2021 08:26 PM (2yWNi)

450 If you want a retro AR such as the original AR or the A1, Brownells has taken the time and patience to make retro parts for them to sell or as a whole assembled rifle.

Occasionally, the gun parts places like Sarco in PA or Apex in CO have parts kits from old Colts where the lower receiver (the serialized firearm for the BATF) has been decommissioned. Those building the shorty AR carbine carried by advisors early in the Vietnam Conflict can get a 5 inch flashhider necessary to be pinned and welded to shorty barrel for NFA purposes.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 08:27 PM (xunV5)

451 My pleasure, AJ!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:27 PM (MVjcR)

452 Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 19, 2021 08:26 PM (Xrfse)
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Happy to do it!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:28 PM (MVjcR)

453 they would just feel it i guess or i would have to make some proclamation in the town square. To be fair to them, they were ahead of their time. They were the Lefties, Lefties always wanted to be but didn't think they could get away with being.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:23 PM (sOXXq)
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Well, times have changed a bit. Before the Covid, my ultra-liberal college town had CCW classes in their seasonal activity guide.

Some years back, we did a game of laser tag at my youngest daughter's birthday. She wanted Dad to play, and it was fun, and I dutifully got my 'kill tally' and as my wife was commenting on it, one of the soccer moms produced shot-riddled a target out of her pocket from her morning target practice, basically putting her accuracy up against mine.

Definitely not something I was expecting to see.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 08:28 PM (llXky)

454 Thanks Weasel as usual.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 08:29 PM (xunV5)

455 "If it wasn't on Magnum PI or Simon and Simon, it is all fantasy stuff to me."

Quint, I've got a S&W 5903 that's looking for a home with a new owner with just such an attitude.

All the goddamned thing does is runs, and runs, and runs. And puts holes in paper, mercilessly. I've got 3 magazines (15 rounds), it's stainless, 9mm, single-double action with a combination manual safety and decocking lever.

Perhaps the most late-eighties thing ever made. Open the case and Duran Duran can be heard in the distance.

Posted by: Pastafarian at September 19, 2021 08:29 PM (sgHEm)

456 You're a great host, Weasel. Thanks.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 19, 2021 08:30 PM (VxC1e)

457 Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 08:29 PM (xunV5)
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Absolutely whig. Thanks for being here!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:30 PM (MVjcR)

458 Interesting that the 8 in 0.308 became an emoji for a dude with sunglasses.

It was the 8 followed by a right parenthesis. It's kind of surprising how often that combination occurs in normal comments.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 19, 2021 08:30 PM (nfrXX)

459 Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 19, 2021 08:30 PM (VxC1e)
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Appreciate that, Cicero!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:31 PM (MVjcR)

460 Posted by: Robert *Be Ungovernable* - Iron Maiden, Senjutsu, OUT NOW!!! at September 19, 2021 07:59 PM (1Yy3c)


I pray it goes well and the answer it returns is easy on the body, soul and pocketbook.

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 08:31 PM (ugHaR)

461 Thanks again for hosting, Weasel. See all of you next week!

Posted by: Ed L at September 19, 2021 08:31 PM (7je7d)

462 A friend sent me a video of a Taliban guy who was dicking around with one of our recently give away M4s.
He was peering down the barrel and shot himself perfectly thru the forehead.
Our new "allies".

Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 08:31 PM (aAP3z)

463 Well, I guess now is the time when we say farewell.

Good night, Weasel, and may flights of angels sing thee to thy rest!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 08:32 PM (llXky)

464 461 Thanks again for hosting, Weasel. See all of you next week!
Posted by: Ed L at September 19, 2021 08:31 PM (7je7d)
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My pleasure, Ed L. Thank you for being a regular!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:32 PM (MVjcR)

465 Thanks for the thread, Weasel!

Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 08:32 PM (aAP3z)

466 Thank you, Weasel. Have a great week.

Have a great week, Horde.

* goes back to sharpening tomahawk *

Posted by: callsign claymore at September 19, 2021 08:32 PM (2yWNi)

467 OK! 9:30 thank you time!

Thank you!

Man, did the time go fast tonight. Thanks for being here everyone. I really do appreciate it!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:25 PM (MVjcR)

B...b...but, the sun's still out!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 19, 2021 08:32 PM (7bRMQ)

468 Quint, the reason that I do not like the press check is that it is primarily done on 1911's and depending on which model of 1911, it may not be drop safe. If it a carry piece, then for me, those are always loaded so there is no need to do a press check.

If I am checking a 1911 for function, I drop the mag and then rack the chamber and engage the slide lock. Then check with fingers and roll the pistol while pointing in a safe direction to make sure nothing rolled into the magazine well.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 08:02 PM (xunV5)

sounds like good practice to me.OF course there are times you need to check a weapon,clear it,whatever. If my commentary backing up Weasel has any meaning, it is to check that chamber three times just to be sure before putting a finger in the trigger well.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:33 PM (sOXXq)

469 Perhaps the most late-eighties thing ever made. Open the case and Duran Duran can be heard in the distance.

Posted by: Pastafarian at September 19, 2021 08:29 PM (sgHEm)
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Make Wonder-Nines Great Again!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 08:33 PM (llXky)

470
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 08:32 PM (llXky)
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Nite, AHL!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:33 PM (MVjcR)

471 Yup, a good night for all.
Scoobs, just checked out that site,
Weasel, I promise I will not stop at ChinaMart. Though I really wanted to check out the scope.
FrankNZ, I'm glad we don't have to do an amphibious landing to liberate you.
Everyone else, I luv you. Especially the ones with T..., oh you know, the things.

Posted by: RI Red at September 19, 2021 08:33 PM (CJtAX)

472 adios my man Weasel!

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:33 PM (sOXXq)

473 One of the reasons that AIWB became more questionable for detectives, etc. is when the move from hammer fired to striker fired pistols started by Glock happened.

On an double action hammer fired (including revolvers with external hammers) pistol, one can reholster somewhat safely including AIWB by keeping the thumb firmly on the hammer when reholstering. Striker fired are already precocked in most cases so trigger depression by something in the triggerguard can cause an AD/ND during reholstering.

There is an inexpensive add on gadget now for Glocks that does the same thing as holding the hammer down but forget the name of it.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 08:34 PM (xunV5)

474 His dad was a ww2 vet and taught all his boys to shoot.
Posted by: tecumsehtea at September 19, 2021 08:03 PM (skoMC)


Heh. Then there will definitely be some things he was taught that are "just not done" nowadays. Doesn't make them necessarily wrong, but.... Firearms handling has evolved a lot in the last several decades, as have firearms.

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 08:35 PM (ugHaR)

475 Perhaps the most late-eighties thing ever made. Open the case and Duran Duran can be heard in the distance.

Posted by: Pastafarian at September 19, 2021 08:29 PM (sgHEm)
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Make Wonder-Nines Great Again!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at September 19, 2021 08:33 PM (llXky)

Browning yeah, we don't need that new age Beretta stuff.The Browning is High Power, what else do you need?

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:36 PM (sOXXq)

476 half of Austin will move there just to vote for him.
Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:05 PM (sOXXq)


So, win, win!

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 08:36 PM (ugHaR)

477 Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 08:32 PM (aAP3z)
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My pleasure, and welcome!!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:36 PM (MVjcR)

478 For those who are looking for American made hearing protection when shooting ProEars are all made in the USA. Look for their website lots of options from affordable to quite expensive custom molded plugs.

Posted by: Jen the original at September 19, 2021 08:36 PM (AJiW5)

479 Thank you for another great thread, Weasel.

Texas cannot come fast enough!

Posted by: Ladyl at September 19, 2021 08:37 PM (TdMsT)

480 Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:33 PM (sOXXq)
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Good nite, Quint!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:37 PM (MVjcR)

481 And everything else, I'll get rid of. The Chiappa Rhino, the Remington 1911, an actual elephant gun (in 0.416 Ruger), piece-of-shit AK47, piece-of-shit SKS, so many ill-advised purchases of my youth.

I'll just sell them to a gun shop.
Posted by: Pastafarian at September 19, 2021 08:19 PM (sgHEm)


Tell me about the SKS. What don't like about it? As the years go by, I have regretted not buying a few dozen back when they were $89 a piece

Posted by: iron308 at September 19, 2021 08:37 PM (EbbTZ)

482 Pastafarian, The 5903 third generation SW is a classic firearm that generally feeds anything and is pretty much trouble free.

I have the 5944 which is DAO which I carried for awhile. The 915, if you can find an early one, is a hidden gem too (the cheaper finish is the major diff between it and the 5900 series).

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 08:38 PM (xunV5)

483 but you do know the stock has the full auto switch on it?
Posted by: Kindltot at September 19, 2021 08:07 PM (ssx3L)


Hence the mention of the Form 3. (Did I getthe number wrong? I don't ponder full autos or silencers very often.)

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 08:38 PM (ugHaR)

484 Posted by: RI Red at September 19, 2021 08:33 PM (CJtAX)
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Nite, brother! Check out the link Scoob left. WeaselApproved.

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:39 PM (MVjcR)

485 Thanks for the Franchi Range Report.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 08:08 PM (xunV5)


If I had myself some powered armor, I would have really enjoyed that gun.

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 08:39 PM (ugHaR)

486 Posted by: Ladyl at September 19, 2021 08:37 PM (TdMsT)
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Thanks Ladyl! I can't wait!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:39 PM (MVjcR)

487 You certainly can, if you choose to. I generally prefer carry weapons without external safeties, but there's something to be said for having an extra last-ditch safeguard for re-holstering if a shirttail or something gets caught in the trigger guard.
Posted by: hogmartin at September 19, 2021 08:25 PM (P4LRL)


Yep, I made sure my first gun had a thumb safety. It's one extra step after unholstering, but I do dry-fire practice to ingrain the muscle memory. I'm not perfect, but I am constantly getting better.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy Agr8U at September 19, 2021 08:39 PM (Agr8U)

488 There is an inexpensive add on gadget now for Glocks that does the same thing as holding the hammer down but forget the name of it.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 08:34 PM (xunV5)

not to argue, but I wonder about this. I am serious about gunleather. I get the stuff you have to wait six months for and sometimes the guy dies or retires. I think not putting your finger in the trigger well will stop 99.99 percent of ADs. I am still leaving a bit for uncertainty.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:40 PM (sOXXq)

489 479 Thank you for another great thread, Weasel.

Texas cannot come fast enough!
Posted by: Ladyl at September 19, 2021 08:37 PM (TdMsT)


Evening, {{{Ladyl}}}!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy Agr8U at September 19, 2021 08:40 PM (Agr8U)

490 looking forward to october. it's always good to be in the pressence greatness, and yes that is all of you!

Posted by: rancherbob at September 19, 2021 08:41 PM (gtu9W)

491 no number of safties will matter. If i am wrong, fine,but it is still a good idea to have in general practice.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:42 PM (sOXXq)

492 Speaking of AD. When I was about 12 or so I took a .22 round and stuck it nose first into a hole in a board. I shot the back of it with my BB gun. A puff of smoke and the .22 round disappeared. I was disappointed. On the way home on my bike I noticed a small home in my shirt just to the left of my navel. Lifted my shirt and saw a small crescent shaped hole in my belly. Whatever it was is still in there some xx years later. I've survived worse.

Posted by: Javems at September 19, 2021 08:42 PM (AmoqO)

493 Dear {{{S'Puppy}}}!!!

Posted by: Ladyl at September 19, 2021 08:42 PM (TdMsT)

494 Posted by: rancherbob at September 19, 2021 08:41 PM (gtu9W)
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And YOU and CHQ!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:42 PM (MVjcR)

495 Pastafarian,
I much prefer the SKS to the AK. The SKS is a pretty sound battle rifle that if you put Tech Aperture sights on it, can shoot 2-3 MOA with good ammunition. Heck even Chuck Farnam likes them and he does like a lot of firearms. SKS's, even the Chinese ones, are bringing about 5 bills and more today. You should clear a bit more if you sell the AK now before the cheap Russian ammo is cut off.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 08:42 PM (xunV5)

496 Anyone hear from Frank in NZ???

Posted by: MAxIE at September 19, 2021 08:43 PM (dVkJu)

497 There is an inexpensive add on gadget now for Glocks that does the same thing as holding the hammer down but forget the name of it.
Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 08:34 PM (xunV5)

It's literally called 'The Gadget'

https://tinyurl.com/5ah4rx4w

Posted by: iron308 at September 19, 2021 08:44 PM (EbbTZ)

498 496 Anyone hear from Frank in NZ???
Posted by: MAxIE at September 19, 2021 08:43 PM (dVkJu)
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Yes, he was here tonight.

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:45 PM (MVjcR)

499 It's literally called 'The Gadget'

Posted by: iron308 at September 19, 2021 08:44 PM (EbbTZ)
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Thought that was an atomic bomb!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:46 PM (MVjcR)

500 Well, ONT is up everyone! Thank you all for being here tonight. Please enjoy the rest of your evening and have a great week! Hope to see you right back here next Sunday. Good nite!

Posted by: Weasel at September 19, 2021 08:46 PM (MVjcR)

501 Whatever it was is still in there some xx years later. I've survived worse.

Posted by: Javems at September 19, 2021 08:42 PM (AmoqO)

I have no response to that. BTW, why still there? No surgeon here and I realize there are times they just leave it in.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:47 PM (sOXXq)

502 488, Quint, I understand, but sometimes it can be a bit of clothing, sometimes a jacket string, etc. can get caught in the trigger guard. On a striker fired or a concealed inaccessible hammer fired handgun, it can have a really bad consequence if carried Appendix, Inside the Waist Band (AIWB). The detectives, etc. that carried double action snubbies in such a way were taught to hold the hammer down when reholstering so that even if something gets caught within the trigger guard, the thumb is a last ditch safety as the hammer must go back to fire. The later move to Double/Single action with hammer fired, same thing for Smith's 3rd Generation for example. That method did not work with the new Glocks.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 08:47 PM (xunV5)

503 497 Thanks iron308. Dunno how I could forget such a name. LOL.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 08:47 PM (xunV5)

504 Is it about the size of a 1911?
Posted by: ZeroTBill at September 19, 2021 08:13 PM (hwhW9)

Ummmm.... It's about the size of most regular handguns. About the size of a full-size Glock or a 1911.

If I can get it to shoot (last time I had failures to fire from what appeared to be light primer strikes), I'll gladly do up a range report with pics of the gun.

BTW, here's an interesting website for specs of guns, including a size grid: https://bit.ly/3CsgOq5

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 08:48 PM (ugHaR)

505 Ed L at September 19, 2021 08:24 PM (7je7d)

You mean about the laser target?

Posted by: tecumsehtea at September 19, 2021 08:48 PM (skoMC)

506 If I had myself some powered armor, I would have really enjoyed that gun.

Posted by: GWB

You would fit right in with Starship Troopers.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 08:48 PM (xunV5)

507 ONT is early!

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it at September 19, 2021 08:48 PM (XnXLV)

508 Tecumseh Tea, that's correct. The laser target.

Posted by: Ed L at September 19, 2021 08:50 PM (7je7d)

509 GWB, thanks for the link up top. Interesting site that i bookmarked.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 08:50 PM (xunV5)

510 I have no response to that. BTW, why still there? No surgeon here and I realize there are times they just leave it in.

Posted by: Quint at September 19, 2021 08:47 PM (sOXXq)


Didn't want to tell Mom & Dad. There are so many surgical clips in there now I doubt whatever it was would show up.

Posted by: Javems at September 19, 2021 08:51 PM (AmoqO)

511 478 Jen the original, Thanks for posting that, I had forgotten about Pro Ears. Nice that they are still made in the USA.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 08:52 PM (xunV5)

512 Goodnight folks.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2021 08:53 PM (xunV5)

513 I'll just sell them to a gun shop.
Posted by: Pastafarian at September 19, 2021 08:19 PM (sgHEm)


Or... put a list here? Or give an email addy? I bet some folks here could give you a local-to-them FFL to which they could be shipped (through *your* local FFL).

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 08:53 PM (ugHaR)

514 and has quality gear.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy Agr8U at September 19, 2021 08:19 PM (Agr8U)

Which gear? The gun and holster or the wedding tackle?

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 08:54 PM (ugHaR)

515 StrikeMan Laser Target. Hubs ordered it from their website. Easy to sync with the smart phone, they have a free app. The laser cartridge stays in the chamber so you have to cock your weapon each time. Strikeman.IO is the website. You shoot and the firing pin hits the back of the cartridge, turning on the laser momentarily. The camera on the phone detects the laser and records the shot. It comes with a phone tripod. It was about $100.

Posted by: tecumsehtea at September 19, 2021 08:57 PM (skoMC)

516 Interesting that the 8 in 0.308 became an emoji for a dude with sunglasses.

Posted by: Pastafarian at September 19, 2021 08:25 PM (sgHEm)

Actually, it was the closing parentheses, ")", after that made it the emoji. I try to put spaces between certain things in parentheses and the parentheseses themselves to prevent that. When I think about it.

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 08:58 PM (ugHaR)

517 Thanks, Tecumseh Tea. That's a pretty decent price point.

Posted by: Ed L at September 19, 2021 09:02 PM (7je7d)

518 FYI, according to that Genitron site I linked, the VP70Z is slightly shorter than a 1911 Government model, and almost exactly the size of a Glock 17.

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2021 09:14 PM (ugHaR)

519 " Easy to sync with the smart phone, they have a free app."

You lost me right there.

Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 09:15 PM (aAP3z)

520 Any gun thing that relates to an app on a smart phone is a liability.

Posted by: Glocks rock at September 19, 2021 09:17 PM (aAP3z)

521 I love firearms. I like the recoil, tbe smell of oil, heated metal, burnt propellent, and neat little holes in the right part of targets.

What I don't like is how cranky I got after chemo. I began to believe I might, based on that crankiness, find an opportunity to use a firearm badly. So my home has no firearms.

However, I want the rest of you, like my friends R., E., and D., to have as many as you want. E., for example, has around 40, including war souvenirs his father brought home from WW2 and Korea.

We're Americans. And we're still free. And if God wills, we will stay free.

God bless all legal firearm owners as well as those who lost all of theirs in tragic canoe accidents.

Posted by: setnaffa at September 19, 2021 10:47 PM (we7DS)

522 Greetings fellow recoil therapy groupies......several recent purchases in the jasonj household....A Girsan full size .45, all the bells and whistles.....eats anything, hollow points, FMJ, even truncated point wadcutters...great gun, good price. Would recommend.
Next is a gun show purchase yesterday...a Turkish Mauser M38 in 8MM. Decent, not perfect, bore. Also got 2 bandoleers of 8mm on stripper clips. I am taking both out in the AM after I get off the night shift. maybe I will send Weasel a range report on the Girsan.....Jasonj FU Joe Biden.....

Posted by: jasonj at September 19, 2021 11:33 PM (ocTOb)

523 Another thumbs-up for the CMMG .22 conversion kit. Works great in my Colt Sporter. Allows me think about breathing and trigger control instead of how much each BANG is costing me.

Posted by: Joe Doakes at September 20, 2021 01:01 PM (XwFjB)

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