An Occasional Prepper Thread

I grew up pretty close to ground-zero for the preppy; both the style of dress and the real thing, so I know a thing or two about the species, none of which is remotely interesting.

So perhaps we could discuss "prepping" for an eventuality other than going to Philips Exeter Academy. And that of course is any decrease in the constant flow of food and water and power and a host of other things that modern society has afforded us, courtesy of about 3,000 years of culture, scientific inquiry, engineering advances and good old Western stick-to-itivness.

But many of us are deeply suspicious of the current political and social situation with regard to razor-thin logistics, civil unrest disrupting even basic services like water and power, and a gradual degradation of the relatively high level of government services that most of us enjoy, which, in a nutshell, means cops doing their jobs.

So how to prepare for that? And what exactly is "that?" Is it preparing for a week of no water and food, or six months of civil unrest complete with roving bands of thugs intent upon stealing your stores and perhaps much more? Or is it years of subsistence living while society reorders itself along unknown lines?

I have no idea whether any of these scenarios are probable, but most people have done some minimal level of planning for some sort of temporary dislocation. And judging by the comments on this and other blogs, some people have done much, much more planning for long-term degradation of the fabric of society and its ability to provide basic services.

So have at it! Discuss everything from the most basic techniques for preserving food to the long-term management of land to provide food, shelter, clothing and safety.

I'll start below the fold...

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I use vacuum sealing for a host of things, and through trial and error and a fair amount of experience I have found some simple techniques to maximize the vacuum and minimize the possibility of leaking. The easiest thing to do is to use more bag than you think you need. It is tempting to try to cut the bags so that the empty portion of the bag is just long enough to fit into the vacuum sealer, but that is a recipe for disaster when sealing anything wet or fine (like flour). The longer the bag the better the seal, and it also gives you enough bag to seal it again! Yup. Seal it twice, because small bits of whatever you were sealing may have gotten into the seal and decreased its effectiveness, or in the case of liquids may have kept the plastic cool enough that the seal was not even made. Yes, it costs a few more cents for an inch or two of the bag, but the payoff is worth it.

Does anyone use vacuum sealing for anything other than food? I am tempted to seal ammunition into flat-packs that are protected from the environment and are easily stacked and carried, but is it worthwhile? Hell, I guess I could seal a pistol in a bag along with some ammo for a emergency weapon cache.

Posted by: CBD at 07:45 PM

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1 Sorry to see Laura go

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 06:47 PM (2JoB8)

2 I can't be first, can I?

Posted by: Numbuh Two, 2x4 Technology Operative (YWBlw) at September 18, 2021 06:47 PM (YWBlw)

3 Hola

Posted by: The Moon at September 18, 2021 06:47 PM (kTF2Z)

4 ZOD IMPERIAL.

(Yes. I am prepped).

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 06:48 PM (xK9An)

5 Vacuum sealing ammo isn't necessary unless you're going to bury it.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 18, 2021 06:49 PM (kTF2Z)

6 1. LL Bean no longer replaces worn Bluchers free of charge.
2. Eggs coated in mineral oil may last until the 'Crack of Doom,' but try one after a year and you'll prefer the dried kind.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 06:49 PM (xK9An)

7 We have lots to do bagged food and just out of habit lots of canned.

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 06:50 PM (2JoB8)

8 hiya

Posted by: JT at September 18, 2021 06:50 PM (arJlL)

9 Today from CBD: Prepper thread.
Tomorrow from CBD in Food: Pepper thread. ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 18, 2021 06:50 PM (L2ZTs)

10 (Yes. I am prepped).

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 06:48 PM (xK9An)

But you don't take direction well..at all!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 18, 2021 06:50 PM (H2PFX)

11 Pinto beans and minute rice. Stored in vacuum bags with oxygen absorbers.

Posted by: Michael Mann at September 18, 2021 06:51 PM (JUOKG)

12 Even in suburbs in a Zombie apocalypse it wouldn't be safe for long, at least only until ammo ran out.

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 06:52 PM (2JoB8)

13 1. One collar-tab unbuttoned. Known.
2. With an expensive buyout-bag and without a specific rural destination/cabin, you're Just Another Refugee.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 06:52 PM (xK9An)

14 Sorry to see Laura go
Posted by: Skip

Laura WHO ?

Posted by: JT at September 18, 2021 06:52 PM (arJlL)

15 My local city government TV station has been urging people for years, no matter where you live, you need to have *7 days* worth of supplies to live without running water, heat/AC or electricity.

Most people, they also claim, only have about 3 days worth of supplies.

Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 18, 2021 06:52 PM (L2ZTs)

16 >>But you don't take direction well..at all! Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 18, 2021 06:50 PM (H2PFX)

This is correct.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 06:53 PM (xK9An)

17 regarding ammo, being in an arid climate keeps it dry and ready. Dunno how that helps y'all down-river. Part of why I live up-river.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Keith's Son at September 18, 2021 06:54 PM (x8Wzq)

18 Here in Alaska any interruption of goods and services are a very real thing for a host of reasons.
I keep cupboards full, have three or so pails of 'forever food' and bunches of tinned chicken and spam to go with it.
Water - its all around us just not safe to drink so I have a gravity micron filter. A friend up the street has an old city well on his property too.
Ammo - I try to keep enough around if it becomes hard to find (recently) and common calibers.
Power - Generator(s) and 30 gals of fuel.
Propane cooking canisters and wood for the woodstove.
Guess I'm saying we could go for a while...

Posted by: Mudshark at September 18, 2021 06:55 PM (aD7sR)

19 Dried beans last a very long time, that's why cowboys had them at every meal out on the range, including in chile.

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 06:55 PM (2JoB8)

20 JT from the last thread.

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 06:56 PM (2JoB8)

21 1. "Catch a crab" isn't a waterman's term.
2. Let the other guy "buy more ammo." Then take his.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 06:57 PM (xK9An)

22 Vacuum sealing ammo isn't necessary unless you're going to bury it.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 18, 2021 06:49 PM (kTF2Z)

I wouldn't do it in any event. Seems like they continue to outgas some ammonia over time. Do like the military and use ammo cans. Yeah, they have battle packs that are sealed up, but that is a heavy gage material that would resist punctures better for anything other than lying flat on a shelf.

Posted by: flounder at September 18, 2021 06:57 PM (KnJdm)

23 I'm a Prepper...and there's another of the Horde who's a Prepper as well.

Just not the type of prepper CBD is referring to.

Posted by: browndog King of the Britons at September 18, 2021 06:57 PM (BgMrQ)

24 Any kind of canned food is a good thing that lasts a long, long time. Even fruit. Just as long as the can is not badly dented, or shows visible rust, or is bloated and pulsating.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Keith's Son at September 18, 2021 06:57 PM (x8Wzq)

25 I have an old vacuum sealer I never really used - I should dig it out of the cabinet

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion (oEn12) at September 18, 2021 06:57 PM (oEn12)

26 Sealed 250 rounds and a semi-auto and stored same in a woodpile at the back of the property about 10 months ago. Waiting 2 months to check as a 1 year test.

Posted by: Java Joe at September 18, 2021 06:58 PM (2p/1y)

27 At Che Blake, we keep about 2 weeks worth on hand.

Which reminds me, it's about time to restock, as the current stock of stuff is getting a bit long in the tooth.

All canned. We live in a desert, so, boiling stuff so we can eat it isn't the wisest use of resources.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at September 18, 2021 06:59 PM (2SdPm)

28 My local city government TV station has been urging people for years, no matter where you live, you need to have *7 days* worth of supplies to live without running water, heat/AC or electricity.

Most people, they also claim, only have about 3 days worth of supplies.

Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 18, 2021 06:52 PM

If water is shut off for more than 7 days with no outside sources bringing it in then you are well and truly screwed unless you have a very local source. Say a cattle pond or two but they are most likely contaminated with cattle poop and unless you have means to sanitize that water you are still screwed.

If you don't have access to clean drinkable water in any long term emergency situation you are not going to make it.

Posted by: Michael Mann at September 18, 2021 06:59 PM (JUOKG)

29 Dried beans take a lot of water and fuel to cook.
I have a good supply of canned beans, all kinds.
It's important to stash what you like to eat.
In other words, in a crisis you don't want to add bad food to your list of problems.

Posted by: another prepper at September 18, 2021 06:59 PM (aAP3z)

30 Michael, true.
One of the things the channel recommends is to have plenty of big plastic bottles of water.

Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 18, 2021 07:00 PM (L2ZTs)

31 I never thought I'd be approaching the 25 year guaranteed shelf life of my freezed dried provisions. I assume it will last well beyond that but damn time flies. I'm at 18 years for a good bulk of it.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 18, 2021 07:00 PM (2DOZq)

32 With an expensive buyout-bag and without a specific rural destination/cabin, you're Just Another ~~Refugee~~Mobile Resupply Cache.
Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 06:52 PM (xK9An)

Posted by: hogmartin at September 18, 2021 07:00 PM (P4LRL)

33 How much booze is necessary for the average male prepper?

Posted by: Javems at September 18, 2021 07:00 PM (AmoqO)

34 JT from the last thread.
Posted by: Skip

Oh.

Thank you.

Posted by: JT at September 18, 2021 07:01 PM (arJlL)

35 Javems: whatever you have on hand, multiply by 10.

Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 18, 2021 07:01 PM (L2ZTs)

36 I have an old vacuum sealer I never really used - I should dig it out of the cabinet
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion (oEn12) at September 18, 2021 06:57 PM (oEn12)

If you didn't vacuum seal it before you put it away, it's probably gone bad by now.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 18, 2021 07:01 PM (P4LRL)

37 Posted by: Michael Mann at September 18, 2021 06:59 PM (JUOKG)

So many water purification systems available. Everyone should have one.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 18, 2021 07:01 PM (2DOZq)

38 I just last night ate the last of a bag of dried onion flakes I bought after Obama was elected. Put them in a meat loaf, now to buy another bag.

Posted by: another prepper at September 18, 2021 07:02 PM (aAP3z)

39 1. Buffy, Hollins '86, 'Dad's cottage on Block Island.'
2. Buffy, inflatable, Made In China, stuffsack.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 07:02 PM (xK9An)

40 Confusedus say man who vacuum seal soon banned from zoo.

Posted by: f'd at September 18, 2021 07:05 PM (Tnijr)

41 (Vacuum-seals vacuum-sealer machine in seal-sack. Inside seal-sack).

Doubleplus resale.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 07:05 PM (xK9An)

42 I have 70 acres. Part tillable land, part wooded. Several free flowing springs. 2 deep artesian wells. Backed up by a mountain and game lands with plenty of critters, including a herd of about 30 deer. It is a great start.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 18, 2021 07:05 PM (69j/g)

43 If you didn't vacuum seal it before you put it away, it's probably gone bad by now.
Posted by: hogmartin

D'oh!

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion (oEn12) at September 18, 2021 07:05 PM (oEn12)

44 For a zombie apocalypse every prepper should have a pair of bolt cutters though during the floods of Harvey I lent my bolt cutters to the fire dept boat rescue to open some locked gates and I never got them back. Bastages!

Posted by: Just a side note at September 18, 2021 07:06 PM (2DOZq)

45 Oh, and have a working can opener (you would be amazed at how many forget this).

Posted by: another prepper at September 18, 2021 07:06 PM (aAP3z)

46 I vacuum-sealed a first-aid kit and a roll of toilet paper once. Seemed reasonable at the time. I kept it in my trunk for a couple years.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 18, 2021 07:06 PM (P4LRL)

47 My vaccuum sealer has an attachment for sucking air and sealing Ball jars for dry goods. Yeast, flour, beans, dried veggies, etc.

Posted by: dartist at September 18, 2021 07:07 PM (+ya+t)

48 (Vacuum-seals prep kid in post photo in seal-sack).

Craigslist: Weird. Unique. Pointless. Well-dressed. Probably not missed by family. Dead. $650 OBO.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 07:07 PM (xK9An)

49 It is a great start.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 18, 2021 07:05 PM (69j/g)

Indeed it is.

Posted by: flounder at September 18, 2021 07:07 PM (KnJdm)

50 MY vacuum sealer has an attachment for... well... you know... sometimes I get lonely...

Posted by: Anthony Wiener at September 18, 2021 07:07 PM (L2ZTs)

51 Preppy? Yeah, I went to an all-boys college-prep high school back in the 80s. Preppy was the *actual* dress code.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 18, 2021 07:08 PM (fpng3)

52 I'd like to have a generator, but it would get stolen, like most of them do. Unless I sprung for an in-basement installation I guess. For now all I have is a $25 Homelite garage sale find, which runs, but not well enough to bet your survival on.

Of course a generator can't last long without stored fuel. All I have stored is what's in the tank of the car. So if I was serious, I'd have gas tanks somewhere. Probably would get stolen, and can't keep it in the basement.

If SHTF, you're stuck with whatever you've already provisioned. Forget about bartering with people in SHTF. You want to trade a bag of silver dimes for a couple of loaves of bread? Whoever shoots first takes them both.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 18, 2021 07:08 PM (qpX6U)

53 Should I vacuum seal my sexbot?

Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 18, 2021 07:08 PM (L2ZTs)

54 Oh, and have a working can opener (you would be amazed at how many forget this).
Posted by: another prepper at September 18, 2021 07:06 PM (aAP3z)

Then there's the corkscrew. You ever try to open a wine bottle without a corkscrew?

Ooh, it's the zombie apocalypse and I can't open my finest bottle of cabernet!

(The comment not applicable to box wine and screw-top bottles)

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 18, 2021 07:08 PM (VxC1e)

55 Thank you CBD for another excellent and timely post. You are now a 7-day-a-week coblogger! I'm looking forward to your three threads tomorrow too.

Posted by: jayhawkone at September 18, 2021 07:08 PM (LAUTI)

56 Be careful, CBD, you don't want to mistake your vacuum sealed pistol for a chicken breast and sous vide that shit.

Posted by: PabloD, make commies fly again! at September 18, 2021 07:09 PM (uwwPK)

57 >>53 Should I vacuum seal my sexbot?
Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 18, 2021 07:08 PM (L2ZTs)

Buffy. Made in China. Stuffsack.

Braggart.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 07:09 PM (xK9An)

58 jawhawk, CBD and MisHum were some of the original Coffee Achievers...

Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at September 18, 2021 07:09 PM (L2ZTs)

59 How much booze is necessary for the average male prepper?
Posted by: Javems at September 18, 2021 07:00 PM (AmoqO)

You joke but I have one hundred 1/2 pints of vodka and bourbon. Barter purposes.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 18, 2021 07:09 PM (2DOZq)

60 In a science class in middle school they had a long list of stuff... and you had to pick which 10 items you take to survive when stranded in the artic, woods, desert, etc.

1 gal jug of maple syrup,
50 ft of rope, and
a sack were useful in every scenario.

Posted by: Phuk Ho Le Hawkeye at September 18, 2021 07:10 PM (5rw2A)

61 Good evening, y'all. I'm about to go run some errands, but wanted to contribute to the thread.

https://tinyurl.com/pveyrehc

Posted by: Bert G at September 18, 2021 07:10 PM (/8Rpb)

62 >>You joke but I have one hundred 1/2 pints of vodka and bourbon. Barter purposes.
Posted by: Just a side note at September 18, 2021 07:09 PM (2DOZq)

1. You'll be fine.
2. Do you own firearms?
3. Where do you live?

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 07:11 PM (xK9An)

63 After 9/11 and the ricen in the envelope, anthrax in the air, suitcase nuke at the power plant scare
I packed a couple of duffel bags full of essentials.
They're upstairs in the closet.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 18, 2021 07:11 PM (ijCso)

64 Take any pills, especially ones you take at mealtimes?

Make a shortish bag, then turn it sideways and subdivide it. Remember you need space between the sections to cut them apart. Put a set of pills in your tiny baggie and seal it. Doesn't necessarily need to be well vacuumed. Make a cut along one edge so you can tear it open without a tool (good to do on a lot of things).

Just one of the many, many things you can do with a vacuum sealer.

Posted by: KCSteve at September 18, 2021 07:11 PM (gw2g1)

65 You joke but I have one hundred 1/2 pints of vodka and bourbon. Barter purposes.
Posted by: Just a side note at September 18, 2021 07:09 PM (2DOZq)
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Tinned tobacco and papers might be something to keep around.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at September 18, 2021 07:11 PM (2SdPm)

66 >>which 10 items

Begin.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 07:11 PM (xK9An)

67 My vaccuum sealer has an attachment for sucking air and sealing Ball jars for dry goods. Yeast, flour, beans, dried veggies, etc.

Posted by: dartist at September 18, 2021 07:07 PM

That's what I do also. Works great for those dehydrated hash browns too. A cup and a half of them in a wide mouth pint jar, fill it with boiling water, put the lid back on and wait 15 minutes and fry them up. Stuff like that we eat all of the time so if the SHTF we are eating food that we normally eat.

Now if I could get my hands on some of those ham slice MRE's they discontinued.

Posted by: Michael Mann at September 18, 2021 07:12 PM (JUOKG)

68 This thread reminds me - what's that cheap but trusty machete called? The one that's like $30 on amazon?

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion (oEn12) at September 18, 2021 07:12 PM (oEn12)

69
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 18, 2021 07:12 PM (DUIap)

70 I picked up a vacuum sealer at the Habitat for Humanity ReStore a couple of weeks ago. Four bucks. Works perfectly...now to stock up on some stuffs.

Posted by: April -- dash my lace wigs! at September 18, 2021 07:12 PM (OX9vb)

71 My prepping is non-perishable and dried food, water for at about 60 days, enough ammo (husband took care of this), batteries, charcoal, sterno, matches, paper products, and some basic medical supplies ( 3 months of his prescriptions, two years of vitamins, colace, anti-histamines, basic pain relievers, topicals, peroxide, alcohol, bandages, gauze, and a variety of lotions). I have cleaning supplies, a large stock of dog food.

I do have dried beans, but easier to cook things like lentils, and I have mung and green peas for sprouting. Pea shoots are great. And I have fast growing lettuces, which I've been able to grow on the kitchen table

Posted by: CN at September 18, 2021 07:13 PM (ONvIw)

72 I have 70 acres. Part tillable land, part wooded. Several free flowing springs. 2 deep artesian wells. Backed up by a mountain and game lands with plenty of critters, including a herd of about 30 deer. It is a great start.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 18, 2021 07:05 PM (69j/g)

That is a great start. I've been looking at smaller acreage in Idaho.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 07:13 PM (axyOa)

73 . Eggs coated in mineral oil may last until the 'Crack of Doom,' but try one after a year and you'll prefer the dried kind.
Posted by: ZOD

Slaked eggs last, if very fresh when stored

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 07:14 PM (Foq6I)

74 On the generator topic anybody have any experience with solar generators? I'm thinking specifically along the lines of a Jackery 1000 or 1500 that will supposedly power a refrigerator for 6 or 7 hours? My thinking is if power goes down for any length of time I could run the refrigerator enough to keep food from spoiling which won't take the full 6 or 7 hours, and have enough left over for a couple hours of lights, etc.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at September 18, 2021 07:14 PM (NL50y)

75 Funniest prepper thing I've ever seen is an episode of Doomsday Preppers where there were following a guy who spent well over a million dollars on his prepper location, house and supplies located in Colorado. The guy was proudly showing all of his preparations which were extensive when he got a call that the area has been ordered to evacuate because of the possibility of a wildfire . He then commenced to run around like a chicken with its head cut off. He wasn't prepared at all.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 18, 2021 07:15 PM (2DOZq)

76 Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 18, 2021 07:05 PM (69j/g)

Wonderful, come spring, lots of planting opportunities

Posted by: CN at September 18, 2021 07:15 PM (ONvIw)

77 Every couple of years I harden my burden of debt.

I have clear fields of fire for the usual approaches.

I have a whole house generator that can go about two weeks assuming average temps. For cold I have a backup wood stove that can heat part of the house. And lots of dry wood.

Next up is probably a rainwater collection system. A backup grey water connection to a rainwater tank is a possibility.

I have a greenhouse site with possible construction. But this would need a helper.
I have offered a time-share green house idea to our local pragmatic group. Nope, nope, nope.

It helps that I am rural.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at September 18, 2021 07:15 PM (u82oZ)

78 I vacuum sealed my vacuum sealer and it disappeared.

Posted by: f'd at September 18, 2021 07:15 PM (Tnijr)

79 As for preps outside of the usual things, I've been weaning myself off a couple of medications. Yes, I've consulted with my doctor, and no, it's not insulin or something critical. I wanted to quit taking them, in any event, and not having to worry about getting those meds in shtf is a bonus.

Posted by: PabloD, make commies fly again! at September 18, 2021 07:16 PM (uwwPK)

80 Vacuum sealing is the bomb. We've been doing it for over a year. Canning is on the agenda, but my wife is afraid of the process and not willing to take the plunge yet. We grow plenty of veggies and canning would be worthwhile, so we'll see. I've got ideas on capturing water even tho' we have a pool. Energy generation is probably the biggest issue assuming gas (liquid or otherwise) is unavailable. Solar and wind are marginal but if it is down to monkey's with guns vs. me... I'll try about anything to stay alive.

It helps to have an alternate, undisclosed location too.

There was a discussion sometime ago about those shipping containers and their suitability for "bunker living." The short answer... not so much without work.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 18, 2021 07:16 PM (BFigT)

81 You joke but I have one hundred 1/2 pints of vodka and bourbon. Barter purposes.
Posted by: Just a side note at September 18, 2021 07:09 PM (2DOZq)

Good plan. Liquor has real value inhard times. consider a still as well.
Also recommend a few extra viagra pills. Also good barter material. Small, light, and easy to keep.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 07:16 PM (axyOa)

82 40 acres of tillable land, a harness and horse for plowing. Mesquite trees for flour, a passable tea and fire wood. Also makeshift housing for any of the Horde that need a place to go.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 18, 2021 07:16 PM (PdooU)

83 I have a colander and some bitchin shoulder pads.

Posted by: Archer at September 18, 2021 07:17 PM (IkO4H)

84 Oh, and have a working can opener (you would be amazed at how many forget this).

Posted by: another prepper at September 18, 2021 07:06 PM (aAP3z)

A really good multi-tool will allow you to do that as well as have knife, scissors, screw drivers, pliers and on and on.

Posted by: TC at September 18, 2021 07:17 PM (lZiqV)

85 1. Brittany Spears (for barter)
2. Leatherman
3. Old Bay seasoning
4. "The Glock," with the bullets that go in it.
5. A toothbrush.
6. CBD (for barter)
7. The Kershaw (not the shitty one, the good one)
8. Blood pressure medication ("press one to refill")
9. Gummis (not the shitty ones, the real Haribo ones)
10. Mrs., Canis Zod Jr. Canis Zod Sr., and an ashtray. And this thermos.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 07:17 PM (xK9An)

86 We routinely double-seal each end of the bags. We, too, had an occasional failure, and they're not expensive enough to sweat a half inch or so.

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 07:17 PM (Foq6I)

87 Water would be the big issue here. We have a cistern and our own well, but we've never had to run the well pump or pressure pump off a generator as the power has never been out more than a day. And this is 200-300 foot well, once the cistern was dry it would need the well pump to refill it.

Plus we have all the horses. If I thought power was going to remain out for weeks rather than days I'd have to haul the horses to WY and hope the creek on my lot was running. But I'd have to be sweet talking a neighbor there or be filtering the creek water for human drinking and cooking use and I don't have a large scale water purifier. Prepping for normal situations is just having food on hand in case the roads are not passable for week after a heavy snow and having horse tanks topped off.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply Irredeemable at September 18, 2021 07:18 PM (pxVvf)

88 I have a colander and some bitchin shoulder pads.

Posted by: Archer at September 18, 2021 07:17 PM

You sir are set.

Posted by: Michael Mann at September 18, 2021 07:18 PM (JUOKG)

89 16 drops of plain Clorox bleach per gallon of water to disinfect.
Plain Clorox. Not splashless. Not scented. Plain.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 07:18 PM (OCTRt)

90 84: I've always had a lot of hand tools in the kitchen, and husband has plenty of saws, pliers, hammers, etc

Posted by: CN at September 18, 2021 07:19 PM (ONvIw)

91 This thread reminds me - what's that cheap but trusty machete called? The one that's like $30 on amazon?

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion (oEn12) at September 18, 2021 07:12 PM (oEn12)

Cold Steel Latin?

Posted by: flounder at September 18, 2021 07:19 PM (KnJdm)

92 Tinned tobacco and papers might be something to keep around.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at September 18, 2021 07:11 PM (2SdPm)

Agree but the shelf life not very long from what I recall. But I ain't smoking it so...

Posted by: Just a side note at September 18, 2021 07:19 PM (2DOZq)

93 1. Brittany Spears (for barter)
2. ...
6. CBD (for barter)

===

*raises eyebrow*

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion (oEn12) at September 18, 2021 07:19 PM (oEn12)

94
Oh, and have a working can opener (you would be amazed at how many forget this).

Posted by: another prepper at September 18, 2021 07:06 PM

P-38 FTW!

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 18, 2021 07:20 PM (DUIap)

95 >>90 84: I've always had a lot of hand tools in the kitchen, and husband has plenty of saws, pliers, hammers, etcPosted by: CN at September 18, 2021 07:19 PM (ONvIw)

Your belongings will be useful.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 07:20 PM (xK9An)

96 You can open a can with a good knife if you need to.

Posted by: f'd at September 18, 2021 07:21 PM (Tnijr)

97 Agree but the shelf life not very long from what I recall. But I ain't smoking it so...
Posted by: Just a side note at September 18, 2021 07:19 PM (2DOZq)

Vacuum seal loose tobacco. Also, the guy who eats 1940s vintage rations on youtube has smoked Chesterfields out of them.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 18, 2021 07:21 PM (P4LRL)

98 There is HTH pool chlorine granules where a one pound bag treats 10,000 gallons. Requires maths.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 07:21 PM (OCTRt)

99 I've been working on meat preservation. We have canned venison and beef, and it's good.
Dry-cured bacon last indefinitely, if kept out of high heat.
I'm interested in the fermented meats, but bought the wrong damned book!

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 07:22 PM (Foq6I)

100 >>96 You can open a can with a good knife if you need to. Posted by: f'd at September 18, 2021 07:21 PM (Tnijr)

You can open a good human with a knife if you need to.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 07:22 PM (xK9An)

101 40 acres of tillable land, a harness and horse for plowing. Mesquite trees for flour, a passable tea and fire wood. Also makeshift housing for any of the Horde that need a place to go.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 18, 2021 07:16 PM (PdooU)

Need a cowhand?

Posted by: flounder at September 18, 2021 07:22 PM (KnJdm)

102 Oh, and have a working can opener (you would be amazed at how many forget this).

Posted by: another prepper at September 18, 2021 07:06 PM

P-38 FTW!
Posted by: AltonJackson

P-51. P-38's bigger brother. Easier to grip. Amazon.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 07:23 PM (OCTRt)

103 Pickling. My missus has a pickle business (small but growing) and we have quite a few pickled veggies: cucumber, carrots, asparagus, mixed veggies, and soup starter (tomato, onion, garlic, celery). We have several cases in rotation at any given time and are growing a few of the basics ourselves. We also grow peppers, dry them and grind them, seal them in bags.

Always have plenty of firewood.

Posted by: Robert17 at September 18, 2021 07:23 PM (qAhhF)

104 Good plan. Liquor has real value inhard times. consider a still as well.
Also recommend a few extra viagra pills. Also good barter material. Small, light, and easy to keep.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 07:16 PM (axyOa)

Condoms, for when it comes time to repopulate the world.

Posted by: flounder at September 18, 2021 07:23 PM (KnJdm)

105 For some time now I've been trying to lessen our absolute dependence on electricity and other public utilities. Whether due to natural disaster or civil unrest such things can be interrupted, possibly for weeks. That means batteries (ham radio), candles, oil lamps, hard copy books (reference and entertainment), board games, puzzles, hand tools, and so on. That includes plenty of warm clothing and good wool blankets during cold weather.

Between our own research and matters discussed here on Ace we have a thorough selection and amount of medical supplies.

Of course we have plenty of food stores and water and the means to cook and heat food and water.

Posted by: JTB at September 18, 2021 07:23 PM (7EjX1)

106 We called them bush knives. We like the ones with a hook on the end to clear blackberries.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at September 18, 2021 07:23 PM (YynYJ)

107 Cold Steel Latin?
Posted by: flounder at September 18, 2021 07:19 PM (KnJdm)

No it was some military name

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion (oEn12) at September 18, 2021 07:23 PM (oEn12)

108 Vacuum seal loose tobacco. Also, the guy who eats 1940s vintage rations on youtube has smoked Chesterfields out of them.
Posted by: hogmartin at September 18, 2021 07:21 PM (P4LRL)

Roger that.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 18, 2021 07:23 PM (2DOZq)

109 .22 shorts are gonna be a lot more useful than 7mm mag (or whatever) if it comes down to rodent eating.

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 07:23 PM (Foq6I)

110 Zod, you crack me up. I know, that probably merits a flensing or death by canal digging, but its true nonetheless.

Posted by: PabloD, make commies fly again! at September 18, 2021 07:23 PM (uwwPK)

111 flounder, you are more than welcome at Casa Ben Had.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 18, 2021 07:24 PM (PdooU)

112 The big decision is stay or go. If go, have someplace to go to. If stay, get organized. Some great ideas here on that. As pointed out, the key is water. You need it.
And after beans and bullets and such, think about first aide. Plan ahead and figure on at least a hundred bucks to have a good supply of the basics.

And youve all heard me say it before, get organized. Who among your neighbors do you trust? Who not? Is family joining you? What is your defensive plan?

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 07:24 PM (axyOa)

113 "You can open a good human with a knife if you need to.
Posted by: ZOD"

It's easier than opening a can.

Posted by: f'd at September 18, 2021 07:24 PM (Tnijr)

114
40 acres of tillable land, a harness and horse for plowing. Mesquite trees for flour, a passable tea and fire wood. Also makeshift housing for any of the Horde that need a place to go.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 18, 2021 07:16 PM

my threat still stands: one of these days, you're gonna wake up and find a pop-up camper parked about a garden hose length from one of you outbuildings

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 18, 2021 07:25 PM (DUIap)

115 P38/P51 can openers, a must have

Posted by: Mudshark at September 18, 2021 07:25 PM (aD7sR)

116 I contend I could build a house in say Colorado that would not burn at all, with new materials a exterior of a house that looks as good as any residential would.

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 07:25 PM (2JoB8)

117 Have an opener on my Case camper, it's better than a P-38, it's better than the Swiss Army knife opener. It's the best little can opener you've ever seen.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 18, 2021 07:25 PM (ijCso)

118 You guys with lots of rural land have it made in the shade. I'm stuck in the urban shithole, can't get out.

Here in the shithole, if you try to 'barter' with unknown locals (e.g., via Craigslist transactions,) you risk your life, and it's not even Official SHTF yet. You drive, you risk getting caught in a mobile firefight. Random joyfire everywhere. Can't keep valuable property in outbuildings; it gets burgled. Pedestrian thieves case the streets 24/7, boldly walking up people's driveways, trying car doors, porch pirating, stealing whatever they can transport. They grab even stupid shit like lawn decorations.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 18, 2021 07:26 PM (qpX6U)

119 AltonJackson, I hope that is a promise.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 18, 2021 07:26 PM (PdooU)

120 Mudshark

Get a Swing-away or OXO can opener. Easier on older hands.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at September 18, 2021 07:26 PM (u82oZ)

121 Realistically, if Western civilization falls it'll be a month or two at most of the Mad Max Experience before local warlords gain a foothold and start to get basic things like electricity going again. With that in mind, be sure that you've got some sort of valuable skill or resource that they would find useful...or a workable plan to be the first warlord yourself.

Posted by: CppThis at September 18, 2021 07:26 PM (UewuT)

122 "Condoms, for when it comes time to repopulate the world.
Posted by: flounder"

Somebody want to tell flounder how that works?

Posted by: f'd at September 18, 2021 07:27 PM (Tnijr)

123 I also have both live and snap traps for rodents and such. Don't forget the Lifestraw.

Posted by: Robert17 at September 18, 2021 07:27 PM (qAhhF)

124
P-51. P-38's bigger brother. Easier to grip. Amazon.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 07:23 PM

yes, I have half a dozen of them as well

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 18, 2021 07:27 PM (DUIap)

125 Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 07:24 PM (axyOa)

Last prepper thread I recommended the surgical stapler. I also remember about 10 years ago blood clotting products were new and somewhat hard to come by but now they are ubiquitous.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 18, 2021 07:27 PM (2DOZq)

126 >>110 Zod, you crack me up. I know, that probably merits a flensing Posted by: PabloD, make commies fly again! at September 18, 2021 07:23 PM (uwwPK)

If your hide is durable, it will be harvested and repurposed in a seamstress' factory to clothe the glorious soldiers of Zod Imperial Konzern Army's (Ill-Fated) Invasion of Mother Russia.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 07:27 PM (xK9An)

127 It's worthwhe to have caffiene pills handy in you emergency kit. Handling a disaster on caffeine or even nicotine withdrawal will be hell.

Since everyone else is covering what supplies, I want to point out that your neighbors are a resource. Make cookies and hand them out, and make sure you know the people around you.

Posted by: Karen at September 18, 2021 07:27 PM (XiLhH)

128 Ben Had

♬ ♩ ♪ ♫ Good evening! ♩ ♫ ♬ ♪

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Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at September 18, 2021 07:28 PM (u82oZ)

129 We have plastic bins with wheels with emergency supplies in case we need to evacuate in a hurry. And we can sit on them.

Posted by: KT at September 18, 2021 07:28 PM (0ghg2)

130 It's easier than opening a can.
Posted by: f'd at September 18, 2021 07:24 PM (Tnijr)

Especially the ones with the pull top.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 18, 2021 07:28 PM (P4LRL)

131 Ben Had, you have e-mail

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (VcFUs) - at September 18, 2021 07:29 PM (VcFUs)

132 Red wing blackbirds, Meadowlarks and Robins are all edible.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 18, 2021 07:29 PM (PdooU)

133 Map the quickest and safest route out of your area. Avoid heavily populated areas if you can.

Then do a dry run. Load up your vehicle with everything you intend to take and drive the route.

Have a destination prearranged. I'm going to a friend's house 1 hr away in a small rural town.

I'm purchasing things slowly and storing some at his house so I have less to pack when tshtf.

Remember water takes up a lot of space and is very heavy.

Posted by: I mean at September 18, 2021 07:29 PM (Z6xw3)

134 I keep a trauma bag in my backpack, and it's almost always in arm's reach. Celox packets, tourniquets, medic shears, and other goodies. It goes on the back of the motorcycle when I ride.

Posted by: PabloD, make commies fly again! at September 18, 2021 07:30 PM (uwwPK)

135 You too, hogmartin...you have mail as well.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (VcFUs) - at September 18, 2021 07:30 PM (VcFUs)

136 I have a mix of stuff and it's not well organized. I try to make sure I have food that can also feed the dogs if needed. I did buy a small gas generator, which I haven't tried yet. I could use a deep cycle battery for it. Mostly, I prefer to minimize my use of electricity. I've done it in the past. I can't stock up as much as I would like because I still plan to get out of here at some point.

If you have pets, those Vittle Vaults are nice. They are thick plastic with a gamma seal lid. I happened to get another brand for the dog food and it did not hold up.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at September 18, 2021 07:30 PM (YynYJ)

137 Okay...I'm the eXpert except I'm out of date.

Moble ..either backpacking or Dawn Of The Dead RV. Abd home/bunker.

If you have a bunker...don't tell extra people about it. It is iembarrassing people Crying dying at your bunker door and the bodies will block the exit.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 18, 2021 07:30 PM (T1fV4)

138 Know your neighbors or very liberal neighborhoods.

Take their stuff in the burning times, with a few friends in overwatch. Woke teachers have a lot of wine bottles, for example.

I call it Justice. Since without them, we would have a working First World Country.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at September 18, 2021 07:30 PM (u82oZ)

139 >>and start to get basic things like electricity going again. Posted by: CppThis at September 18, 2021 07:26 PM (UewuT)

Depending on the coal stockpiles at various coal-fired plants, 'basic things' may be available--under the best of circumstances--for a few weeks. The Powder River Basin will become compelling real estate.

After that, First Heavy Bathsalt Gorilla Cavalry.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 07:30 PM (xK9An)

140 Food/water, ammo, fuel, medical supplies/booze/tobacco.... the cream of the barter crop.

Stock up on those. But be prepared for reprisals.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 18, 2021 07:32 PM (BFigT)

141 16 drops of plain Clorox bleach per gallon of water to disinfect.
Plain Clorox. Not splashless. Not scented. Plain.
Posted by: rickb223
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That sounds like way too much.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 18, 2021 07:32 PM (u1fVF)

142 "With that in mind, be sure that you've got some sort of valuable skill or resource that they would find useful"

What's the lifespan of a fuel truck driver in this new world?

Posted by: lowandslow at September 18, 2021 07:32 PM (4thlk)

143 Pre Y2k, we had cheat sheets on how to read date codes on canned goods. Thankfully, since then, manufacturers have put easy to read use by dates on cans.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 07:32 PM (OCTRt)

144 >>135 You too, hogmartin...you have mail as well.
Posted by: BifBewalski @ (VcFUs) - at September 18, 2021 07:30 PM (VcFUs)

Waitwaitwait, why do you get to have hogmartin's email, and Zod doesn't?

Someone rectify this.

Now.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 07:32 PM (xK9An)

145 Nothing like being without electricity for two weeks to reveal your prepper weaknesses . Thanks Ike.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 18, 2021 07:32 PM (2DOZq)

146 Don't forget the Lifestraw.
Posted by: Robert17 at September 18, 2021 07:27 PM (qAhhF)

I have a gravity filter, looks like a roll top dry bag for canoeing or kayaking. About the size of a hydration pack, holds 3 liters. Put water in the top, hang it up, and use the little hose to drain filtered water into the container of your choice. Mine's Katadyn brand but I'm sure there are others.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 18, 2021 07:32 PM (P4LRL)

147 I also remember about 10 years ago blood clotting products were new and somewhat hard to come by but now they are ubiquitous.

If you've read our reports, clotting may not be an issue this time around.

Posted by: The CDC at September 18, 2021 07:32 PM (UMXod)

148 This thread reminds me - what's that cheap but trusty machete called? The one that's like $30 on amazon?
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion

Eddie

Posted by: JT at September 18, 2021 07:33 PM (arJlL)

149 NaCly, Dearest.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 18, 2021 07:33 PM (PdooU)

150 "This thread reminds me - what's that cheap but trusty machete called? The one that's like $30 on amazon?"

Sling Blade.
Bolo knife.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 18, 2021 07:33 PM (qpX6U)

151 There are several things I need to improve or learn. I know how to maintain firearms and reload ammo and have the gear and components to do so. (Weasel's Sunday night gun thread is a HUGE help in such matters.) But I need to resurrect my morse code skills. And I'm learning about restoring and maintaining hand tools: dealing with rust or preventing it, sharpening saws and other cutting tools.

I wish I had started some of these things when I was a lot younger (and fitter).

Posted by: JTB at September 18, 2021 07:33 PM (7EjX1)

152
does anyone have a concise build list for a solid first aid kit? (or a link for a good one?)

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 18, 2021 07:34 PM (DUIap)

153 "Condoms, for when it comes time to repopulate the world.
Posted by: flounder"

Somebody want to tell flounder how that works?
Posted by: f'd at September 18, 2021 07:27 PM (Tnijr)

Things you dont want to vacuum seal.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 07:34 PM (axyOa)

154 >>What's the lifespan of a fuel truck driver in this new world? Posted by: lowandslow at September 18, 2021 07:32 PM (4thlk)

Zod Imperial Konzern Fabricated Industrial Bulk Cargo Logistics is hiring. Your criminal record is not required.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 07:34 PM (xK9An)

155 Personally, I live about 40 minutes outside of the nearest major-ish city, on the edge of one of the smaller towns. I'd love to be a bit farther out in the sticks, but that's not currently possible unfortunately. The good news is that nobody really expects semi-rural Tennessee to be the hot zone.

Posted by: CppThis at September 18, 2021 07:35 PM (UewuT)

156 > what's that cheap but trusty machete called? The one that's like $30 on amazon?

Leaf Filter

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 18, 2021 07:35 PM (BFigT)

157 Homemade brick rocket stove. Blasting hot just from twigs.

https://tinyurl.com/3aeahy9e

Posted by: dartist at September 18, 2021 07:35 PM (+ya+t)

158
Waitwaitwait, why do you get to have hogmartin's email, and Zod doesn't?

Someone rectify this.

Now.
Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 07:32 PM (xK9An)

U gotta get it face to face, after surviving a grueling background investigation while being tested for marksmanship minimum compentency

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (VcFUs) - at September 18, 2021 07:36 PM (VcFUs)

159 Useful stuff: sugar and salt for preserving things. Alum for pickling and tanning those hides! Fat can be used to preserve meat.

It can be useful to have food on hand that others wouldn't eat. I like sardines, so I keep those on hand. I have some Korean condiments and foodstuff that I could cook and eat.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at September 18, 2021 07:36 PM (YynYJ)

160 I have a machete, use to use it on overgrown weeds often but haven't used it in a year or two.

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 07:36 PM (2JoB8)

161 I also have a propane forge, anvil and a boat load of tools.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 18, 2021 07:36 PM (PdooU)

162 the thing is is, there is no good answer for this.

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 18, 2021 07:36 PM (K3ZCc)

163 Looks like AtC got suspended on Twitter.

Posted by: Barr Durham at September 18, 2021 07:36 PM (EpDzw)

164 CBD, Thanks for this thread. Always get some good information from the Horde.

Any suggestions on the brand or particulars for a vacuum sealer?

Posted by: JTB at September 18, 2021 07:37 PM (7EjX1)

165 Last prepper thread I recommended the surgical stapler. I also remember about 10 years ago blood clotting products were new and somewhat hard to come by but now they are ubiquitous.
Posted by: Just a side note at September 18, 2021 07:27 PM (2DOZq)

Both great suggestions.
One of my team is a medic. His first suggestion is a couple pair of surgical scissors. He said they are like can openers, the first thing everyone forgets.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 07:37 PM (axyOa)

166 Could you vacuum seal books, if you added some silica packs, prior to putting them in a cache?

Posted by: sal at September 18, 2021 07:37 PM (3c1fY)

167 148 This thread reminds me - what's that cheap but trusty machete called? The one that's like $30 on amazon?
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion

Eddie
Posted by: JT at September 18, 2021 07:33 PM (arJlL)

Serated entrenching tool. I call mine, El Lobo.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (VcFUs) - at September 18, 2021 07:37 PM (VcFUs)

168 JTB, if we all had a crystal ball we'd be sitting around a campfire at some compound and having a drink from our still at Fortress Ewok. We do the best we can, with what we've got. To quote a (Chinese?) Proverb: the best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The second best time is now.

Posted by: PabloD, make commies fly again! at September 18, 2021 07:37 PM (uwwPK)

169 Ben Had

Plenty of horses around here. And soon, 4 attack llama. We have two pilots neighbors for air cover and reconnaissance. One has several drones also.

There are a number (6-10 Jersey cows) just down the hill from me. With chickens and turkeys. I can barter for some of that.
Admittedly, hard to have milk cows local unless you do it yourself, or are very rural.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at September 18, 2021 07:37 PM (u82oZ)

170 >>U gotta get it face to face, after surviving a grueling background investigation while being tested for marksmanship minimum compentency
Posted by: BifBewalski @ (VcFUs) - at September 18, 2021 07:36 PM (VcFUs)

Huh. Thanks for the gouge.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 07:38 PM (xK9An)

171 I vacuum sealed a few rounds of ammo when I got my sealer, but maybe not worth it. I think it was weasel that said ammo lasts a long time, in basic storage.

Vacuum sealed flour is good, but I read sealing the grain and grinding it later is much better. I have rice and beans in a metal garbage can in the basement, double wrapped but not vacuum sealed ... just because I'm lazy.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 18, 2021 07:38 PM (Cus5s)

172 I live in the middle of Houston. I will be like Charlton Heston in the Omega Man.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 18, 2021 07:38 PM (2DOZq)

173 Children should start weapon training fishing hunting and how not to be hunted.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 18, 2021 07:38 PM (T1fV4)

174 >>One of my team is a medic. His first suggestion is a couple pair of surgical scissors. He said they are like can openers, the first thing everyone forgets.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 07:37 PM (axyOa)

Wonder if he's a proponent of hemoclot. Upsides, downsides.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 07:39 PM (xK9An)

175
Know your neighbors or very liberal neighborhoods.

Take their stuff in the burning times, with a few friends in overwatch. Woke teachers have a lot of wine bottles, for example.

I call it Justice. Since without them, we would have a working First World Country.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at September 18, 2021 07:30 PM

my AO is what's called a "target rich environment" for that kid of thing. part of the plan is going door to door in my "Local Warlord" t-shirt (tacticalshit.com/linkout/113634) and collecting all their canned goods

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 18, 2021 07:39 PM (DUIap)

176 You can open a can with a good knife if you need to.

Posted by: f'd at September 18, 2021 07:21 PM

We open cans here with tannerite.

Posted by: Michael Mann at September 18, 2021 07:39 PM (JUOKG)

177 if you are doing first aid after the smod you need antibiotics, the good stff, bunches

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 18, 2021 07:39 PM (K3ZCc)

178 JTB,

Mr Chickadee on You Tube will show you how to sharpen hand saws. I like Alaska Prepper because he tends to remind me of stuff like garbage bags to use for blackout curtains.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at September 18, 2021 07:39 PM (YynYJ)

179 How does barter work in SHTF, exactly? You're in your bunker, you have everything you need except, say, aspirin. You want to trade a box of 22LR for a big bottle of aspirin.

There's no comms, so you either have to wait for a guy with aspirin to show up at your door randomly, or you have to travel to find that guy.

If and when you find him, you've got your G17 in a waistband holster, he's got a 1911 in his belt. If he has the drop on you, why won't he just shoot you and take everything you have? Or, since you're visiting his bunker, why not shoot him and take the bunker and contents?

I mean, this is SHTF we're talking about, right? No rules. I don't see how successful barter is possible.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 18, 2021 07:39 PM (qpX6U)

180 I think it's Oklahoma Knife Company

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion (oEn12) at September 18, 2021 07:40 PM (oEn12)

181 I have a pantry stuffed with canned protein, rice, pasta, beans, vegetables, fruit (canned and dried), and the essentials (cocktail olives!). A couple buckets of freeze dried foods. Water, of course. Shelf-stable milk, canned evaporated milk. Instant coffee.

A ziggurat of toilet paper.

Medicines.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at September 18, 2021 07:41 PM (Dc2NZ)

182 even if you have a working farm, after the smod you are fuckd

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 18, 2021 07:41 PM (K3ZCc)

183
Huh. Thanks for the gouge.
Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 07:38 PM (xK9An)

Wasn't meant to be a gouge. Thats just the fashion in which i met hogmartin over the summer when in TX. Gotta admit, that's the first time I've ever seen anyone hit a 100m target with a 1911.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (VcFUs) - at September 18, 2021 07:41 PM (VcFUs)

184 Plenty of soap is something nice to have. And everyone should have plenty of toilet paper.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at September 18, 2021 07:42 PM (u82oZ)

185 NaCly, cows require a lot of water. I will go with a nanny goat. They will eat anything, give plenty of milk and don't drink much.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 18, 2021 07:42 PM (PdooU)

186 I have my father's Marine machete sheathed in a spare barrel cover for a M9-D3.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 18, 2021 07:42 PM (2DOZq)

187 If I want to be a warlord, I should figure out how to make a regional cell phone/internet that works. The TicTok zone.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 18, 2021 07:42 PM (4thlk)

188 Eggs coated in mineral oil may last until the 'Crack of Doom,' but try one after a year and you'll prefer the dried kind.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 06:49 PM (xK9An)

Look into "water glassing eggs." You can only use fresh eggs with the bloom still on, and I think that means no store-bought. But for people who have their own chickens, it will provide eggs through the winter until they began laying again in the spring.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess, #SuperStraight #maskless (Mzdiz) at September 18, 2021 07:42 PM (Mzdiz)

189 If you don't have any water stored, or don't have a personal well/spring, and have to go to some source for water, remember it is no coincidence lions and other predators hang out at waterholes.

Posted by: davidt at September 18, 2021 07:42 PM (N/iqz)

190 A couple of bad weather events here in Houston taught me to have enough food and water on hand for a few weeks. So I think I have that covered or close to it, though I'd like more water on hand. If things went more sideways than that, it'd be time to eat the neighbors. I need to get flavorful spices.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 18, 2021 07:42 PM (QU5/8)

191 confederatefifth

Large scale farming needs a lot of off-road (non-taxed) diesel fuel.

Resupply is an issue.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at September 18, 2021 07:43 PM (u82oZ)

192 does anyone have a concise build list for a solid first aid kit? (or a link for a good one?)

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 18, 2021 07:34 PM (DUIap)

You're probably best off building one from others lists. Start off small from booboos, bandaids, headaches, tylenol, benadryl. Work up from there to include major trauma and bleeding kits with stuff like shears, gloves, Israeli bandages, tourniquets, airways, splints, hemostatic agents, etc. A bandana and safety pins are always helpful in the kits.

Posted by: flounder at September 18, 2021 07:43 PM (KnJdm)

193 does anyone have a concise build list for a solid first aid kit? (or a link for a good one?)
Posted by: AltonJackson at September 18, 2021 07:34 PM (DUIap)

Actually i bought mine on amazon. Then just add stuff.

Tip: for splints, get chicken wire. You can fold it up, use for other things, adapt to any limb, and its reusable.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 07:43 PM (axyOa)

194 s a lot of off-road (non-taxed) diesel fuel.

Resupply is an issue.
Posted by: N

that is not even the half of it, try defending your big farm

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 18, 2021 07:44 PM (K3ZCc)

195 for run of the mill things, like current bureaucrat heavy outfits will take 2-3 weeks to restore power after an ice storm or Ida type flooding kitty litter and small trash bags will be useful for indoor field toilet if you are stuck in an urban area. A couple weeks worth of canned food, gallon of water per person per day. Have the mindset to not waste water, and if storm is coming that 'might' cause power outage fill up the pots and pans and bathtub. If no outage no biggie to dump the unneeded water down the drain.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply Irredeemable at September 18, 2021 07:44 PM (pxVvf)

196 >>There's no comms, so you either have to wait for a guy with aspirin to show up at your door randomly, or you have to travel to find that guy.

You'll probably see two people together, at some point, who seem to have a familial connection. If they're unarmed, you confront them at gunpoint, take one as a hostage, and drive the other off to procure aspirin. Dedicated shoppers. You explain the grift to them. Then you get them to find shoppers. And you skim a little off every successful 'find.'

In this way, Amway will rebuild the planet. With Scientology.

And other likeminded methodologies.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 07:44 PM (xK9An)

197 33 How much booze is necessary for the average male prepper?
Posted by: Javems at September 18, 2021 07:00 PM (AmoqO)

for you, none

for me, all

Posted by: REDACTED at September 18, 2021 07:44 PM (uCLWI)

198 Wasn't meant to be a gouge. Thats just the fashion in which i met hogmartin over the summer when in TX. Gotta admit, that's the first time I've ever seen anyone hit a 100m target with a 1911.
Posted by: BifBewalski @ (VcFUs) - at September 18, 2021 07:41 PM (VcFUs)

Ooooooo!!!!! A shootoff with Nurse maybe? Shes pretty food.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 07:44 PM (axyOa)

199 Say "when."

Posted by: Crew Cut at September 18, 2021 07:45 PM (TTwKm)

200 163 Looks like AtC got suspended on Twitter.
Posted by: Barr Durham at September 18, 2021 07:36 PM (EpDzw)

I picture her little legs kicking to and fro in fury.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at September 18, 2021 07:46 PM (Dc2NZ)

201 go to north American rescue and get a kit from there, then rebuild it at home

even then you are fuckd, most kits are for getting you through until the blackhawk gets there

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 18, 2021 07:46 PM (K3ZCc)

202 Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 18, 2021 07:39 PM (qpX6U)

The black market was popping in WW2 war zones.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 18, 2021 07:46 PM (2DOZq)

203 Could you vacuum seal books, if you added some silica packs, prior to putting them in a cache?
Posted by: sal

Yes you can. I've vac packed ammo, socks & underwear, books, food, important papers, etc. Anything you don't want to get wet.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 07:46 PM (LHT0w)

204 Grey bearded green beret has some good trauma kits. He also does videos on You Tube.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at September 18, 2021 07:46 PM (YynYJ)

205 This one's a doosey....

Write-up: Persisted for three days: Arm soreness Headaches Body Aches Tiredness/fatigue These faded and on 4/7/2020, liver began to feel enlarged for two days. This was followed by UTI; pain in kidneys and groin; rigidity, discoloration, and extreme swelling in right testicle; inability to urinate; 100-degree fever. Remains on antibiotic (Keflex 500mg 4/pd) and Flomax. Testicle rigidity & some swelling remain.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 18, 2021 07:46 PM (HvW4E)

206 Ben Had

We are set with local ponds for cows on the bigger ranches. Water here is not the issue. Salt licks? Need to look.

Protection from rustlers would be the issue. Can we protect the local AO. Needs organization. And organizing farmers and ranchers is harder than organizing GOPe voters.

And if there is no travel, I give local deer about a month to go extinct. Lots of local hunters, including middle-school girls.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at September 18, 2021 07:47 PM (u82oZ)

207 In a SHTF scenario are you going to be on the move or are you going to be in a set place?

These are obviously two different things but you should be ready for both.

Posted by: TC at September 18, 2021 07:47 PM (lZiqV)

208 A ziggurat of toilet paper.

I had to look up ziggurat.

Posted by: JT at September 18, 2021 07:47 PM (arJlL)

209 Shes pretty food.

That's the apocalypse spirit!

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 18, 2021 07:47 PM (QU5/8)

210 A couple of bad weather events here in Houston taught me to have enough food and water on hand for a few weeks. So I think I have that covered or close to it, though I'd like more water on hand. If things went more sideways than that, it'd be time to eat the neighbors. I need to get flavorful spices.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls

Honestly, two or three weeks is probably true. After that, if things are really sideways, it's gonna be pretty thin on the ground.

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 07:47 PM (Foq6I)

211
Ooooooo!!!!! A shootoff with Nurse maybe? Shes pretty food.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 07:44 PM (axyOa)

Not it. I need to be in the barn to hit the side of it with my 1911. /sarc

I'm not that bad, but i know i can't hit a 100m target with one.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (VcFUs) - at September 18, 2021 07:47 PM (VcFUs)

212 For those in the cities, there is a guy called The Angry Prepper with a You Tube channel. I think he may be in NYC.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at September 18, 2021 07:48 PM (YynYJ)

213 A ziggurat of toilet paper.

I had to look up ziggurat.
Posted by: JT at September 18, 2021 07:47 PM (arJlL)

Wannabe pyramid

Posted by: Just a side note at September 18, 2021 07:48 PM (2DOZq)

214 AtC just got suspended from twitter, for reasons I can't fathom.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 18, 2021 07:48 PM (fpng3)

215 >>183 Huh. Thanks for the gouge.
Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 07:38 PM (xK9An)

Wasn't meant to be a gouge. Thats just the fashion in which i met hogmartin over the summer when in TX. Gotta admit, that's the first time I've ever seen anyone hit a 100m target with a 1911.
Posted by: BifBewalski @ (VcFUs) - at September 18, 2021 07:41 PM (VcFUs)

No, 'gouge' in the best sense of the word--lowdown, etc. No one has ever hit a 100m target with a 1911.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 07:48 PM (xK9An)

216 Wonder if he's a proponent of hemoclot. Upsides, downsides.
Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 07:39 PM (xK9An)

Zod,
I'll ask.
He is a 20 year navy corpsman with most of his time with the teams. Hes probably got it somewhere.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 07:49 PM (axyOa)

217 Bif, I believe Zod is using "gouge" in the military slang sense of "useful gossip/intel" rather than anything mean. But then again, Zod...

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at September 18, 2021 07:49 PM (BSV0x)

218 does anyone know how long a vacuum sealed twinkie will last?

Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at September 18, 2021 07:49 PM (dYVBk)

219 first thing you should do is get as remote as possible

if you live in a neighborhood, no amount of prepping will help

you may prolong the inevtiable but you will be either overcome or become part of what you fear

Posted by: REDACTED at September 18, 2021 07:49 PM (uCLWI)

220 No, 'gouge' in the best sense of the word--lowdown, etc. No one has ever hit a 100m target with a 1911.
Posted by: Z

so much for the smart military blog

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 18, 2021 07:50 PM (K3ZCc)

221 Ooooooo!!!!! A shootoff with Nurse maybe? Shes pretty food.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 07:44 PM (axyOa)

Cannibal Bob thinks so.

Posted by: flounder at September 18, 2021 07:50 PM (KnJdm)

222 When I was in the blast radius of D.C. I had shelter-in-place and hunker down plans for both work and home. Bug out bag in car, basics in cabinet at work if stuck there.

Now that I'm retired in the 'burbs, I'm back to my natural inclination to be fatalistic. If the SHTF I'm just staying home with my books and my weapons.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at September 18, 2021 07:51 PM (Dc2NZ)

223 And people laughed at me when I collected the entire series of Time/Life Guide to Home Surgery. Who's laughing now?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 18, 2021 07:51 PM (kTF2Z)

224 Ooooooo!!!!! A shootoff with Nurse maybe? Shes pretty food.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 07:44 PM (axyOa)

Oops!
She's pretty good. Good!
Gawd. Shes gonna kill me!

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 07:51 PM (axyOa)

225 I have a huge grocery store just a couple hundred yards away. If I'm at home when SHTF, then that's getting raided first thing. If I'm not at home, then things become more difficult, depending on if I can get back in a hurry or not.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 18, 2021 07:51 PM (HBlzO)

226 184. Got those. I think vitamins are undervalued as a worthwhile thing to store. If food choices are limited, these will be important.
I have supplies of the grandsons needs too

Posted by: CN at September 18, 2021 07:51 PM (ONvIw)

227 You're probably best off building one from others lists. Start off small from booboos, bandaids, headaches, tylenol, benadryl. Work up from there to include major trauma and bleeding kits with stuff like shears, gloves, Israeli bandages, tourniquets, airways, splints, hemostatic agents, etc. A bandana and safety pins are always helpful in the kits.

Posted by: flounder at September 18, 2021 07:43 PM

thx, flounder

I'm pretty solid up to just past the minor booboo point; looking to up my game to the heavier trauma prep

Daughter in a RN, so she's the designated medic. I'm trying to find a trauma first aid class or two so I can be more usefuller than being the human IV pole

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 18, 2021 07:51 PM (DUIap)

228 "AtC just got suspended from twitter, for reasons I can't fathom."

You must be >this< tall to post on twitter.

Posted by: Twitter at September 18, 2021 07:51 PM (N/iqz)

229 Tip: for splints, get chicken wire. You can fold it up, use for other things, adapt to any limb, and its reusable.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 07:43 PM

Zip ties in various lengths with fir strip shims from home depot. You can get a bundle of each for less than $10 to make dozens of splints.

Posted by: Michael Mann at September 18, 2021 07:51 PM (JUOKG)

230 The most important part is friends. Yes, even your spouses.

Night vision watches and responsive fire teams need people you can trust.

You should be working on your defense network of friends.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at September 18, 2021 07:52 PM (u82oZ)

231 if you are going to bug out you should go somewhere more than tank and a half of gas from the big cities near you, and have two tanks of gas

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 18, 2021 07:52 PM (K3ZCc)

232 Get a Swing-away or OXO can opener. Easier on older hands.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
For sure good to have a can opener. But also, most of the tuna fish/salmon products now come in a foil pouch that is just tear open. The one I am looking at now says it expires in 2024. I am slowly collecting more and more.

Posted by: MikeM at September 18, 2021 07:52 PM (xPTqL)

233 "No one has ever hit a 100m target with a 1911."

Didn't Micelek do it with a .357 revolver, holding it upside down so he could sight high over the target? Saw the video, but I don't know if he uses trickery for that stuff.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 18, 2021 07:52 PM (qpX6U)

234 I wouldn't seal flour with a vacuum sealer, the flour can get into the pump and ruin it.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2021 07:52 PM (ssx3L)

235 Fuel stabilization is probably up there with prepping stuffs.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 18, 2021 07:53 PM (BFigT)

236 Yes, yes -- zip ties!

*shifty eyes*

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at September 18, 2021 07:53 PM (Dc2NZ)

237 try and have a dozen or so plastic spray bottles

good one not cheap crap

lightly soaped water in a spray bottle and a washable rag will outlast any supply of TP

Posted by: REDACTED at September 18, 2021 07:53 PM (uCLWI)

238 Whoever said that the deer would be gone in two weeks is right. If I think it's gonna be bad, I'll kill the first 8 I see, and start drying, canning, etc.
"Make meat".
"3 days out of St. Louis, the Lewis and Clark Expedition camped and made meat".

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 07:53 PM (Foq6I)

239 The most important part is friends. Yes, even your spouses.

Night vision watches and responsive fire teams need people you can trust.

You should be working on your defense network of friends.
Posted by: N

drones

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 18, 2021 07:54 PM (K3ZCc)

240 178 ... "Mr Chickadee on You Tube will show you how to sharpen hand saws. I like Alaska Prepper because he tends to remind me of stuff like garbage bags to use for blackout curtains."

Notsothoreau, Thanks for the channels. I'm keeping a list of videos to view. My grandfather knew all this stuff. (He was a master tool maker for the Navy.) But aside from some safety lessons and very basic instructions with tools, he didn't pass his skills to his grandkids. Bummer.

Posted by: JTB at September 18, 2021 07:54 PM (7EjX1)

241 No, 'gouge' in the best sense of the word--lowdown, etc. No one has ever hit a 100m target with a 1911.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 07:48 PM

Jerry Miceulek begs to disagree. I saw a video of him hitting a target at 200 yards with a S&W Bodyguard in .380.

Posted by: Michael Mann at September 18, 2021 07:54 PM (JUOKG)

242 I saw this title and read it as "An Occasional Dr. Pepper thread" maybe because I was in Waco just this morning.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 18, 2021 07:54 PM (WmVfO)

243 I can invite someone to my home to "make meat", but it won't be what they think...

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at September 18, 2021 07:54 PM (Dc2NZ)

244 By the time you google survivalist...it will be too late.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 18, 2021 07:54 PM (T1fV4)

245 I see some of my neighbors buying bulk these days, so I don't feel alone in my concerns. I recall how non-perishable food was important during the aftermath of Sandy. Freezing was ultimately not useful after a few days.

Posted by: CN at September 18, 2021 07:55 PM (ONvIw)

246 242 I saw this title and read it as "An Occasional Dr. Pepper thread" maybe because I was in Waco just this morning.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 18, 2021 07:54 PM (WmVfO)

that's hot

Posted by: REDACTED at September 18, 2021 07:55 PM (uCLWI)

247 >>lightly soaped water in a spray bottle and a washable rag will outlast any supply of TP
Posted by: REDACTED at September 18, 2021 07:53 PM (uCLWI)

Also, fthe aces of enemies will outlast any supply of TP.

Survival, people, sheesh. Shoot and move. Shoot and move.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 07:55 PM (xK9An)

248 Daughter in a RN, so she's the designated medic. I'm trying to find a trauma first aid class or two so I can be more usefuller than being the human IV pole

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 18, 2021 07:51 PM (DUIap)

If you find one worthwhile, let me know. Until then, check out Skinny Medic on youtube.

Posted by: flounder at September 18, 2021 07:55 PM (KnJdm)

249 Woody Harrelson might know how long a vacuum sealed twinkie would last.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at September 18, 2021 07:56 PM (JzDjf)

250 I like "The Prepared Homestead" and "Canadian Prepper" on YouTube. They discuss the impact of current events too.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at September 18, 2021 07:56 PM (Dc2NZ)

251 Got those. I think vitamins are undervalued as a worthwhile thing to store. If food choices are limited, these will be important.
I have supplies of the grandsons needs too
Posted by: CN at September 18, 2021 07:51 PM (ONvIw)

I've got a number of sealed containers of protein powder.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 18, 2021 07:56 PM (2DOZq)

252 drones
Posted by: confederatefifth

My drone flies 20 minutes on a full battery charge, which requires about 3 hours to get..

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 07:56 PM (Foq6I)

253 "You should be working on your defense network of friends.

Posted by: NaCly Dog"

Bingo. The place where I live is VERY defensible and can be made even more so with a little work. Kinda like being up on Little Round Top.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 18, 2021 07:56 PM (HBlzO)

254 I built a fruit dryer out of an old chest freezer, a 150 watt ceramic reptile type heating element, a computer fan and racks made from aluminum window screen and lathes.

it is not the best design, the heater is not hot enough to let the fan run all the time, but I have used it since the pears started falling. However the design is simple and you mostly want to get the fruit hot enough and enough of an air flow to carry away the moist warm air.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2021 07:56 PM (ssx3L)

255
Not it. I need to be in the barn to hit the side of it with my 1911. /sarc

I'm not that bad, but i know i can't hit a 100m target with one.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (VcFUs) - at September 18, 2021 07:47 PM

the 230gr .45ACP will drop 17 inches at 100 yards; as long as you're lined up side to side, you should be able to eyeball the elevation

(Disclaimer: this is the sum total of my ballistics knowledge)

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 18, 2021 07:56 PM (DUIap)

256 https://thepostmillennial.com/capitol police reportedly detain undercover cop at rally for jan 6 political prisoners?

Too funny

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 07:57 PM (2JoB8)

257 If the burning times come, I think having a lot of non-hybrid vegetables seed would be worth a small fortune. The know how to save vegetable seed would be a great skill.

Or I could just steal yours.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 18, 2021 07:57 PM (4thlk)

258 Also, remember to have enough pet food as well. If SHTF seriously have a year's supply on hand, which means buy it now.
you will always use it, and it is generally shelf stable for a year

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2021 07:57 PM (ssx3L)

259 45acp does drop like a rock at distance

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 07:58 PM (2JoB8)

260 We better be prepared to live without electricity. A people who more or less live in the 7th century inside their heads don't need electricity, they only need slaves.

Posted by: Eromero at September 18, 2021 07:58 PM (0OP+5)

261 Now that I'm retired in the 'burbs, I'm back to my natural inclination to be fatalistic. If the SHTF I'm just staying home with my books and my weapons.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at September 18, 2021 07:51 PM (Dc2NZ)

This is my big decision. As I'm over 29, I have to decide if i stay or go, and weigh that against the possibility of anything draconian happening in the years I have left.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 07:58 PM (axyOa)

262 Vacuum sealer.
We've used the FoodSaver brand for 20+ years. On our third.
Get the one with the hose attachment for jars, and buy some of those lids, too.

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 07:58 PM (Foq6I)

263 Most people will have to get outside and function ... if SHTF is just "how long can you survive in your bunker" ... that is maybe a rougher scenario than just resources becoming scarce, and various emergency measures, or martial law.

Isolated in the country might be good, but roving bandits may not just walk up and announce themselves ... so being shot while in the garden, without warning, is a threat. Always wear good body armor I guess, even in July. ... Or when out getting firewood.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 18, 2021 07:59 PM (Cus5s)

264 MkY got any Hellfires for that?

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 07:59 PM (2JoB8)

265 News embargo chez Zod since early last week. Desi Arnaz could've died, I'd have no idea. No surfing, nuttin. Do we still have a president? Is Lindsay Graham still a lesbian? Was Ronnie Van Zant actually kidnapped from that shitty plane by aliens?

Removal can do a mind good.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 07:59 PM (xK9An)

266 Don't forget to pack a few covid booster shots.

Posted by: LMAO at September 18, 2021 08:00 PM (5C7Yh)

267 and you know you can buy feed oats and feed corn by the 25 lb bag?
If you go that route, make sure you have a mill to grind them into something you can eat.
Also make sure you know how to make something other than gruel with it.

Oats are supposed to be wonderful for you, the Scots lived on them, but that explains so much . . .

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2021 08:00 PM (ssx3L)

268 Isolated in the country might be good, but roving bandits may not just walk up and announce themselves ... so being shot while in the garden, without warning, is a threat. Always wear good body armor I guess, even in July. ... Or when out getting firewood.
Posted by: illiniwek at September 18, 2021 07:59 PM (Cus5s)

if someone is in my garden, you can be damn well shore he will get zero warning

Posted by: REDACTED at September 18, 2021 08:01 PM (uCLWI)

269 "No one has ever hit a 100m target with a 1911."

Didn't Micelek do it with a .357 revolver, holding it upside down so he could sight high over the target? Saw the video, but I don't know if he uses trickery for that stuff.
Posted by: gp's Dark Energy

Texas, where a cop will shoot you from 100 yards away from horseback.

The shot, from Officer Johnson's Smith & Wesson M&P .40 pistol, hit McQuilliams square in the chest, while on horseback. Holding his partner's horse.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 08:01 PM (Q1QrS)

270 When you watch Mr Chickadee, keep in mind that he is self taught. He does some amazing building.

Back in the day, we used to be able to rent food dryers from the county. They were big plywood boxes with screened trays and used light bulbs for the heat. They worked pretty well. I got a cheaper dehydrator from Amazon and am happy with it. I wanted the Excaliber but didn't know if I'd use it enough to justify the expense.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at September 18, 2021 08:01 PM (YynYJ)

271 Isolated in the country might be good, but roving bandits may not just walk up and announce themselves ... so being shot while in the garden, without warning, is a threat. Always wear good body armor I guess, even in July. ... Or when out getting firewood.
Posted by: illiniwek at September 18, 2021 07:59 PM (Cus5s)

Dogs.
Big ass mean ones... and really annoying yippity little ones are the alarm.

Posted by: Phuk Ho Le at September 18, 2021 08:02 PM (wL+5C)

272 I got all my info from "Doomsday Preppers." So shut up and wear masks at all times and you'll be fine. Door Dash will survive.

Posted by: Prepper Karen at September 18, 2021 08:02 PM (BFigT)

273 260 We better be prepared to live without electricity. A people who more or less live in the 7th century inside their heads don't need electricity, they only need slaves.
Posted by: Eromero at September 18, 2021 07:58 PM (0OP+5)

so stock up on slaves ?

gonna need a bigger pantry

Posted by: REDACTED at September 18, 2021 08:03 PM (uCLWI)

274 I've also got a small hand crank radio that receives AM, FM and shortwave. I crank it up occasionally and it works fine after 30 years.

Posted by: Robert17 at September 18, 2021 08:03 PM (qAhhF)

275 EMP will knock out a lot.

Posted by: davidt at September 18, 2021 08:04 PM (N/iqz)

276 Dogs.
Big ass mean ones... and really annoying yippity little ones are the alarm.
Posted by: Phuk Ho Le at September 18, 2021 08:02 PM (wL+5C)

Good combo. the little fookers sound the alarm. The bigguns tear out throats.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Keith's Son at September 18, 2021 08:04 PM (x8Wzq)

277 Robert17

Radio Beijing will be lit in the burning times.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at September 18, 2021 08:04 PM (u82oZ)

278 >>so stock up on slaves ? gonna need a bigger pantry Posted by: REDACTED at September 18, 2021 08:03 PM (uCLWI)

Let's talk.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 08:04 PM (xK9An)

279 MkY got any Hellfires for that?

? For what?

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 08:04 PM (Foq6I)

280 The world governments prep which is one good thing they do. The seed banks around the world are amazing. I think the biggest one in the states is in Colorado.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 18, 2021 08:05 PM (2DOZq)

281 251 I have protein powder, whey powder, dried milk as well as canned protein and jerky.
My husband and kid1 used to think I was crazy.They don't now..
I also have sewing supplies,, a treadle machine, and blankets,, down comforters, and hot water bottles for the colder nights. During Sandy the water bottles made a huge difference.
Consider cold packs and heat wraps for first aid kit. Lots of tropicals, like antibiotics, anti fungal, and pain relief.

Posted by: CN at September 18, 2021 08:05 PM (ONvIw)

282 And youve all heard me say it before, get organized. Who among your neighbors do you trust? Who not? Is family joining you? What is your defensive plan?
Posted by: Diogenes

Key point here.

And also, you might look up "combat first aid kit" on Amazon, that has more than just fundamental things, like a stethescope and tourniquets.

You always have water in your water heater (in water pressure dies) and you can drain it.
Also, water in the toilet tank (not the bowl). That may sound weird, but if everything fails, you can get water there.
As someone said above, simple, unscented chlorine bleach is important to purifying ground water. Regular coffee filters work great for filtering water, like a Mr. Coffee filter, etc. And if you have any, put some activated carbon in there, and it will get rid of the awful chlorine taste from your purified water.
Also, as was said above, HTH is a great disinfectant for water.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at September 18, 2021 08:05 PM (tjZg/)

283 if things do go to shit, my guess the velocity of the chaos will be all more than we think

in a month ,maybe less, all out war

Posted by: REDACTED at September 18, 2021 08:06 PM (uCLWI)

284 @269
I've shot 100 yd targets with .22 and .38 pistols, not 1911 .45 though. Practice. Thousands of rounds. Practice.

Posted by: Robert17 at September 18, 2021 08:06 PM (qAhhF)

285 Remember that you will be spending 10-12 hours in the dark, so when you plan, plan to do it by the light of a flashlight/oil lamp/generator, until they run out.

If you have a wife/daughters hauling water for basic needs, like a make shift indoor toilet, will be a daily job.
If you have a generator/lights at night, or you have a fire pit / bbq for cooking and your neighbors don't, you will be popular.

Canned food packed in water will be superior to rice/beans that will use your fuel and water and time. If it's winter you will want to conserve your energy.

If the shtf for 24+ hours be prepared to live/heat one room in your house. Sooner or later a generator runs dry and whether it's mob rule, winter conditions or your only vehicle breaks down, you can only depend on the the fuel (and water) you have on-hand.

If you want to be prepared, live for 48 hours without a phone, heat, water, electricity. Practice before it becomes the real thing.

Posted by: old chick at September 18, 2021 08:06 PM (sOete)

286 "The shot, from Officer Johnson's Smith & Wesson M&P .40 pistol, hit McQuilliams square in the chest, while on horseback. Holding his partner's horse."

When one of the Dannemora escapees was discovered, the officer dropped him with one pistol shot at at least 80 yards. The target was running away.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 18, 2021 08:06 PM (qpX6U)

287 For perspective, a strong First World country has a long decline time. 2009 is when I date the transition to a proto Third world country, and 2020 is when we are really post Law.

We are closer, but if it is 10 years out, it may be theoretical for some of us. Our heirs however ...

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at September 18, 2021 08:06 PM (u82oZ)

288 MkY your drone silly

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 08:07 PM (2JoB8)

289 See Carol Deppe's book on saving seed and creating your own varieties. Did you know you can de-hybridize seed?

I have a Corona grain mill that is pushing fifty years old. We used it to grind flour and crack wheat for animal food. Good way to get in shape. The plates are worn enough that it's not as hard to grind wheat for flour. I had a Country Homestead mill that I sold and wish I'd kept. Really nice to grind by hand and can be motorized.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at September 18, 2021 08:07 PM (YynYJ)

290 275 EMP will knock out a lot.

Posted by: davidt at September 18, 2021 08:04 PM
Give yourself a pat on the back, David. Now who's likely to do an EMP? Hint- Common name for male children begins with the letter M. Bonus hint- They hate our guts.

Posted by: Eromero at September 18, 2021 08:07 PM (0OP+5)

291 I have an old vacuum sealer I never really used - I should dig it out of the cabinet
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion (oEn12) at September 18, 2021 06:57 PM (oEn12)

Depending on the make, some have a foam rubber seal that is supposed to contain the vacuum and the mouth of the bag. It can go bad. Test it.
A fast way of keeping it going while you buy a replacement seal is to soak it in water

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2021 08:08 PM (ssx3L)

292 Hillz...she had me order DARPA build her this Seal-all-the-Balls device...

Posted by: Bill C. thinking Barry knows abour this at September 18, 2021 08:08 PM (QzkSJ)

293 https://tinyurl.com/saxethxy
20 Tweets from Bad Blue
Lots of good ones, Fedbois at rally

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 08:08 PM (2JoB8)

294 Thought I had that wrong. It was a Country Living mill. I do have the Kitchen Aid grain mill which works well if you grind in two steps.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at September 18, 2021 08:08 PM (YynYJ)

295 And if there is no travel, I give local deer about a month to go extinct. Lots of local hunters, including middle-school girls.
Posted by: NaCly Dog

Yeah, those middle-school girls are the worst. They will kill you for toilet paper.

In terms of "getting ready" for the burning times, we got a Generac nat gas fueled generator, that will support most of our needs in the house, about 13K watts.
Of course, if the Nat gas pressure falls, we're screwed. But if you get a gasoline generator, that's a bear to keep fueled. in the "burning times" gasoline is going to be hard to get, especially if power is out. And a propane fueled generator is going to need a big fuel supply too. And when that's gone.....

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at September 18, 2021 08:09 PM (tjZg/)

296 Really a drone is best eyes in the sky you could have

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 08:09 PM (2JoB8)

297 Illiniwek makes a good point. In the pre-Civil War era around KC, (Eastern Ks. Western MO...the "burnt district") it got to where folks would just knock someone out of the saddle if they didn't recognize them.
I hope it never gets that ugly again.

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 08:09 PM (Foq6I)

298 275 EMP will knock out a lot.
Posted by: davidt at September 18, 2021 08:04 PM (N/iqz)
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I really began to ponder prepping after reading Ringo's "The Centurion". Then in 2012 there was concern over solar flares, and it was a big topic at work. "Disaster Preparedness for EMP Attacks and Solar Storms" by Arthur T. Bradley is worth a perusal.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at September 18, 2021 08:09 PM (Dc2NZ)

299 Survival difficult. Must work for food or or a new fur shirt.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 18, 2021 08:10 PM (T1fV4)

300 My defensive plan is basically driving to Montana with all my gear in my truck. I have kin up there who are kitted up bigly. Wife will drive the car. She will be ahead of me. We can avoid interstates.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Keith's Son at September 18, 2021 08:10 PM (x8Wzq)

301 285 i had almost 3 weeks of practice from Sandy. I changed a lot of household stuff since then.

Posted by: CN at September 18, 2021 08:10 PM (ONvIw)

302 drones
Posted by: confederatefifth

Good idea.
Hadnt really thought about them but a useful tool i think.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 08:10 PM (axyOa)

303 Aid grain mill which works well if you grind in two steps.
Posted by: Notsothoreau

Posted by: Bill C. thinking Barry knows abour this at September 18, 2021 08:10 PM (QzkSJ)

304 We are closer, but if it is 10 years out, it may be theoretical for some of us. Our heirs however ...

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at September 18, 2021 08:06 PM (u82oZ)

We're trying to speed things up.

Posted by: Pelosi at September 18, 2021 08:10 PM (VJSkD)

305 if things do go to shit, my guess the velocity of the chaos will be all more than we think

This is why I don't bother planning too far ahead for this kind of thing. Unless you are off the beaten path, and my dumb ass is not, things are going to become hellish right quick. Because even if you are prepared, no one else around you is. It will be face-colander time.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 18, 2021 08:11 PM (QU5/8)

306 One thing Mrs. JTB and I decided long ago. Shelter in place unless driven out by floods or something like that. We have no land to go to and, frankly, at our age even camping could be a problem. So we maintain the house, have veggie garden seeds and tools, and keep up supplies. If we were in our twenties and knew what we know now, we might have done things differently.

Posted by: JTB at September 18, 2021 08:11 PM (7EjX1)

307 Really a drone is best eyes in the sky you could have
Posted by: Skip

Maybe. It doesn't do a lookdown into woods though.
I wish I DID have a Hellfire for it!
I'd settle for a little poison dart.

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 08:11 PM (Foq6I)

308 Aid grain mill which works well if you grind in two steps.
Posted by: Notsothoreau

The Grinding Two Step is traditionally the last dance at a Cajun bar on a Saturday Nite.

Posted by: Le Mikleuse, allons dansez at September 18, 2021 08:12 PM (QzkSJ)

309 I hope it never gets that ugly again.
Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 08:09 PM (Foq6I)

been to NYC lately ?

Posted by: REDACTED at September 18, 2021 08:12 PM (uCLWI)

310 Without too much farting around, ballistics calculator says 45ACP 230gr 860fps drops 200 inches at 100m, when aimed more or less horizontally. So the shot is doable, but you have to aim way high, so you won't be able to see the target when you fire your pistol. Set it up on the bench in a pistol vise, see how many hundreds of rounds it takes to home in on the target.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 18, 2021 08:12 PM (qpX6U)

311 "The world governments prep which is one good thing they do. The seed banks around the world are amazing. I think the biggest one in the states is in Colorado."

Our first place to attack. We own the feed banks, we rule the world. Or Middle America.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 18, 2021 08:13 PM (4thlk)

312 My defensive plan is basically driving to Montana with all my gear in my truck. I have kin up there who are kitted up bigly. Wife will drive the car. She will be ahead of me. We can avoid interstates.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Keith's Son at September 18, 2021 08:10 PM (x8Wzq)

Tip from cold war days: recon your route at least once a year. Pick different times of year. Look at alternate routes as well.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 08:13 PM (axyOa)

313 "if someone is in my garden, you can be damn well shore he will get zero warning" Posted by: REDACTED

yes, but what if they wait in hiding, 200 yards out? My family was on this farm for over 100 years, and many neighbors are the same. But a small town of 1000 is only a mile away ... half of that is low cost housing.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 18, 2021 08:13 PM (Cus5s)

314 305: My Indian neighbors have been obviously prepping. They don't need all those 25 lb bags for day to day life

Posted by: CN at September 18, 2021 08:14 PM (ONvIw)

315 I have enough treadles to outfit some of the Horde if I can get out of here, plus two electrics that can convert to treadle

Four Dog makes a wonderful tent stove. It's really well built and can heat a small space. As much as I love my kerosene lamps, LED lights use so little juice that they are probably more practical.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at September 18, 2021 08:14 PM (YynYJ)

316 According to Netflix, Otto Skorzeny was a ladies' man in the Southern Cone.

Also according to Netflix, "Squid Game" is fine material with mass executions, crematoria, organ harvesting, and the bad guys wearing pink and black colander facemarks. Like, as in, ghey.

Episode 6. BRB.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 08:14 PM (xK9An)

317 generators are good, but way to loud. if you need one make sure it is dual fuel, gas and propane, gas goes bad in a matter of months, propane will last for years. for those that live in the mountains most all homes have propane tanks. go find yourself a propane hand pump. why? free power. in the event of a major shtf - grid down scenario most agree that 70% of the worlds population will be dead within the first 4 months, starvation, disease, murder, accidents etc.

Posted by: uglykidmoe at September 18, 2021 08:15 PM (yOPeD)

318 I do not worry about EMP. The 50 KV main pulse has a very sharp rise time and not a lot of energy.

Fort Riley nearby is a concern. Killing one of our few Active Duty Infantry Divisions would be a worthy target for a bad nation. The helos in the Aviation Bgd are not in revetments. This is not breaking OPSEC. The field is visible from I-70.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at September 18, 2021 08:15 PM (u82oZ)

319 Most modern drones require some sort of WiFi or Internet to operate. It's possible to fly them without either, maybe, but you'll need the infrastructure they require to download what they've seen (MicroSD, computer/smartphone/network). It likely won't be real time if TSHTF assuming you've got what you need at home base. Still a worthwhile asset that I'd test out before hand.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 18, 2021 08:15 PM (BFigT)

320 Homemade brick rocket stove. Blasting hot just from twigs.

https://tinyurl.com/3aeahy9e

Handy. I've got lots of cinder blocks laying around and will never run out of twigs.

Posted by: t-bird at September 18, 2021 08:15 PM (1vynn)

321 Ontario is a good machete.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 18, 2021 08:16 PM (ijCso)

322 This is why I don't bother planning too far ahead for this kind of thing. Unless you are off the beaten path, and my dumb ass is not, things are going to become hellish right quick. Because even if you are prepared, no one else around you is. It will be face-colander time.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls

A good deal of my neighbors are armed. My neighbor across the street was in the Nat Guard for years, and used to shoot his AR-15 out in the woods behind his house. I think he stopped this past year because of Op Sec. I trust most of the people around me, which is part of the reason I moved here. I didn't know then but just "had a feeling". This is Red America, and almost all the people here were Trump voters.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at September 18, 2021 08:16 PM (tjZg/)

323 Excellent opportunity to talk in detail about these things in little over a month.

Posted by: Eromero at September 18, 2021 08:16 PM (0OP+5)

324 It might behoove one to have a big supply of food/booze/water hidden behind a false wall, so that when brigands raid your house you can feign terror and "give them all your food".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at September 18, 2021 08:16 PM (Dc2NZ)

325 That's why it's damned near in the middle of the country, though. Lots of flight time to get there.
I doubt if China has the capacity to do the "slow walk" envisioned by the Russkies.

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 08:17 PM (Foq6I)

326 NY is cutting prisoners loose again. A few hundred immediately, many more than that with the new program to let them off the hook.

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 08:17 PM (2JoB8)

327 Toilet paper, a change of clean underwear and a kaiser blade.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at September 18, 2021 08:17 PM (sXQci)

328 >>So perhaps we could discuss "prepping" for an eventuality other than going to Philips Exeter Academy.

Hey! I resemble that remark...

Posted by: Otto Zilch at September 18, 2021 08:17 PM (U2esv)

329 320 thanks.Bricks we got

Posted by: CN at September 18, 2021 08:18 PM (ONvIw)

330 This thread reminds me - what's that cheap but trusty machete called? The one that's like $30 on amazon?
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion (oEn12) at September 18, 2021 07:12 PM (oEn12)

You know, I like the corn cane knife, it is a machete with a blunt tip and about a foot long blade.
Light, easy to use, and handy about the garden.
Long machetes are hard to wield in tight corners

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2021 08:18 PM (ssx3L)

331 I meant Ft. Riley...

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 08:18 PM (Foq6I)

332 Better get out of here before the ONT shows up.
Have a great evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 08:18 PM (2JoB8)

333
if you're cost conscious (I'm not cheap, I'm frugal), check out Dollar Tree for some of your first aid supplies: 5 pair of the blue nitrile gloves for a dollar; 100 alcohol wipes for a dollar; ace-style wraps for a dollar, you get the idea

band aids, gauze pads, antiseptic wipes, etc., all the "little things" that you can never have too much of

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 18, 2021 08:19 PM (DUIap)

334 Look, lights, in that house over there...

Posted by: Marauder at September 18, 2021 08:19 PM (N/iqz)

335 A little off-topic, but maybe something to consider.

The audio is a little out of sync on my phone but seems right on my laptop.

https://tinyurl.com/2t7ykbmv

Posted by: Ex-ex at September 18, 2021 08:19 PM (RU4sa)

336 Tip from cold war days: recon your route at least once a year. Pick different times of year. Look at alternate routes as well.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 08:13 PM (axyOa)

On it. Thanks, boss.

JK, it's good advice. I have done some of that already, but it's a good thing to keep up with current road conditions. And wife's car is a sedan. Basically, I know what stet we gotta drive through pretty well. So that helps.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Keith's Son at September 18, 2021 08:19 PM (x8Wzq)

337 If you read about the Kitchen Aid grain mills, people say they aren't any good because you burn out the motor if you use them a lot. Just crack the grain the first time through, then grind finer the second time. And if you use a hand cranked mill, don't fill the hopper. Add in small amounts and it's easier to grind.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at September 18, 2021 08:19 PM (YynYJ)

338 313 "if someone is in my garden, you can be damn well shore he will get zero warning" Posted by: REDACTED

yes, but what if they wait in hiding, 200 yards out? My family was on this farm for over 100 years, and many neighbors are the same. But a small town of 1000 is only a mile away ... half of that is low cost housing.
Posted by: illiniwek at September 18, 2021 08:13 PM (Cus5s)

they will just have to take their chances

and when I bag them, they will probably dress out at 100 lbs or so

fresh meat is always welcome

Posted by: REDACTED at September 18, 2021 08:20 PM (uCLWI)

339 Most modern drones require some sort of WiFi or Internet to operate.

Good point. I have yet to try flying with the GPS turned off. I'm not sure of the signal. I know it's line of sight, cause it won't go through hillsides

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 08:20 PM (Foq6I)

340
been to NYC lately ?
Posted by: REDACTED

More from today's World Freedom rally in Time Square in NYC.

https://tinyurl.com/wh5jpf9h

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 18, 2021 08:20 PM (63Dwl)

341 No it was some military name
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion (oEn12) at September 18, 2021 07:23 PM (oEn12)

Golok? British bush knife?

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2021 08:20 PM (ssx3L)

342 Bolo?

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2021 08:21 PM (ssx3L)

343 You know, I like the corn cane knife, it is a machete with a blunt tip and about a foot long blade.
Light, easy to use, and handy about the garden.
Long machetes are hard to wield in tight corners
Posted by: Kindltot

I have a lot of edged weapons, including a Japanese sword liberated after WWII by my Dad, and a nice long, sharp bayonet. And a lot of other knives.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at September 18, 2021 08:21 PM (tjZg/)

344 Light, easy to use, and handy about the garden.
Long machetes are hard to wield in tight corners
Posted by: Kindltot

97% of Haitian and Rwandan immigrant dentists agree

Posted by: Vibrant and Diverse Inc. at September 18, 2021 08:21 PM (QzkSJ)

345 How about batteries? Almost all flashlights are AA or AAA. Having a decent supply of those would be good.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 18, 2021 08:21 PM (4thlk)

346 Stet being Slavic for state, as we all know. My mom is half Finnish. Dad always asked when she would be all Finnish. Dad was the king of dad jokes.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Keith's Son at September 18, 2021 08:21 PM (x8Wzq)

347 Gurkha knife, shukri?

Posted by: Eromero at September 18, 2021 08:21 PM (0OP+5)

348 341 Gurkha?

Posted by: CN at September 18, 2021 08:22 PM (ONvIw)

349 Good idea.
Hadnt really thought about them but a useful tool i think.
Posted by: Diogenes

it is a good way to surveil your site

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 18, 2021 08:23 PM (K3ZCc)

350 Interesting, CDB.

You hit on a basic, clean water. There are tanks sold now with chemicals to keep hundreds of gallons potable. Like generators, they are on back order for months. People sense things are awry and could g et ugly. The barrels are more practical than wells because the latter require electricity unless you have a fuel-powreed pump.

I've kept a 30-day supply of canned food on hand since the Millennium hysteria, which now seems quaint.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at September 18, 2021 08:23 PM (cMIkI)

351 Durka durka? Mohamed Jihad??

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Keith's Son at September 18, 2021 08:23 PM (x8Wzq)

352
How about batteries? Almost all flashlights are AA or AAA. Having a decent supply of those would be good.
Posted by: lowandslow

Rechargeable batteries and a solar powered charger.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 18, 2021 08:24 PM (63Dwl)

353 Have a great night everyone.

Savor the now. We still got it good. Mental preps are also important, because flexible minds can change with the circumstances.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at September 18, 2021 08:25 PM (u82oZ)

354 I'm not a "prepper" prepper, but I have lived through four hurricanes with the worst one leaving us without power for three weeks. One of the things I discovered was the importance of a "little" of something as opposed to "none" of something. It's a little like cars -- the difference in your life between having no car and having a crappy but functional car is huge. The difference in your life moving from the crappy functional car to a "nice" car is small. The difference in moving from a "nice" car to a "luxury" car is really minimal. The same thing is true with functional stuff at home. The last time we had a power outage, I had a couple of 100 aH batteries and an inverter. Not a lot of power there. But it was enough to run my wife's CPAP machine for three nights, charge my laptop and cell phones, and run a lamp. There was a huge difference between that an nothing. So, that's what I've done -- I've started identifying things that would make the most difference for a week long power outage or road closure. A little stored power, some food, some water, a tank worth of fuel for my truck, a woodburning stove, a CB radio, a small cache of meds, etc.

Posted by: billo at September 18, 2021 08:25 PM (gGm+y)

355 I'm not too worried about EMP. Terrorists are unlikely to stage an EMP attack; it is technically daunting to design a successful nuclear missile and warhead, that would have to work the first time without testing. The most likely terrorist nuclear attack will be groundbursts, with the weapons trucked or floated in. They will hit multiple simultaneous targets, pre-warning the media so that all the TV cameras are pointed at the targeted cities when they detonate.

If China or Russia used an EMP, it would likely be the first step in a major nuclear attack with airbursts and groundbursts, so EMP damage would be among the least pressing things on our mind. I don't see them EMPing us in an isolated strike, because retaliation.

Carrington Event type stuff will surely occur at some time in the future. Hardening the transmission grids against that makes some sense, but there's no guarantee it will be robust enough against an event of unforecastable strength.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 18, 2021 08:26 PM (qpX6U)

356 We have a couple weeks worth of food stashed away. We also have back up supplies of bath soap, shampoo, and other such items. Plus lots of bottled waters. But it won't do me any good if I can't get to dialysis or if there's no power for the dialysis machines. We also have a very small stock of 1/10th ounce gold coins and a flock of silver dollars. They probably don't teach it any more, but FDR closed all the banks. I wouldn't put it past the Feds to do that again. Plus, what do you do it there's no energy for your friendly local ATM?

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin, clinging bitterly to a deplorable life at September 18, 2021 08:26 PM (BvRyV)

357 Rechargeable batteries and a solar powered charger.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

And if Dr. Fauci orders the Sun to go out?

WHAT THEN SMART GUY

Posted by: Miklos, following the Accepted Science at September 18, 2021 08:26 PM (QzkSJ)

358 Some of you city dwelling horde should get together and plan a bugout location together, or adjacent. It would be better to have more people together ... easier to split the work of firewood, water, security, food acquisition ... horde battalions assemble.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 18, 2021 08:28 PM (Cus5s)

359 How about batteries? Almost all flashlights are AA or AAA. Having a decent supply of those would be good.
Posted by: lowandslow

Rechargeable batteries and a solar powered charger.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

You can hack flashlights by building up around the batteries and you can use AA in D cells. 1.5 volts is 1.5 volts.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 08:29 PM (OCTRt)

360 http://djibestdrones.com/dji-ocusync-2-0/

It seems the DJI Mavik Pro doesn't use Wifi nor cell.
Cool.
Means I can fly it, it just means it won't be able to find its way home without GPS systems.

I have the zoom, so it can really see pretty well at a distance.

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 08:29 PM (Foq6I)

361 Not sure this counts as 'prepping' but for emergencies we keep paper road maps. First, GPS may not be available. Second, I don't trust GPS to always be correct. Third, Having paper maps on road trips saved us from floods and tornadoes that screwed up the major highways. Fourth, we just plain like maps.

Posted by: JTB at September 18, 2021 08:29 PM (7EjX1)

362 You'll need maps for when the internet disappears.

And an e-tool.

Posted by: I guess I'll tell them at September 18, 2021 08:30 PM (QEWH+)

363 ......... so being shot while in the garden, without warning, is a threat. Always wear good body armor I guess, even in July. ... Or when out getting firewood.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 18, 2021 07:59 PM (Cus5s)
--------------

or, the watchtower ain't a clock.
only John Wayne or Bruce Willis could do it alone.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 18, 2021 08:30 PM (ijCso)

364 if you are doing prepping and you think You are going to be defending a site then you need night visn.

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 18, 2021 08:30 PM (K3ZCc)

365 This thread reminds me - what's that cheap but trusty machete called? The one that's like $30 on amazon?
Posted by: vmom

Kukri?

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 08:31 PM (OCTRt)

366 WSDOH is interviewing for their shiny new quarantine and isolation facility.

They buildin camps.

https://bit.ly/3AjfXau

Posted by: bonhomme at September 18, 2021 08:32 PM (i0wNm)

367 JT, Emmie has a bunch of old paper maps she wants to get rid of.

Posted by: JuJuBee at September 18, 2021 08:33 PM (slmIp)

368 Gurkhas....need gurkhas....

Posted by: Miklos, checking Ebay.nepal at September 18, 2021 08:33 PM (QzkSJ)

369 Will there be biscuits and gravy, Jameson Coffee and Tobasco Bloody Marys in the Apocalypse? If not, I think I'm going to go ahead and leave in a blaze of glory, taking out as many of those woke scum as I can on my way out.

Posted by: Frasier Crane at September 18, 2021 08:33 PM (rRFOd)

370 I have several AR Pistols chambered in 300BLK, and I will gladly trade 2 rounds for everything you have.

Posted by: Andy Stern at September 18, 2021 08:34 PM (WSVYg)

371 in fairness, the gps might be delberately wrng

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 18, 2021 08:34 PM (K3ZCc)

372 I guess if all goes to shit

wont be none of those GAINZZ threeads for a while

Posted by: REDACTED at September 18, 2021 08:34 PM (uCLWI)

373 Don't forget to pack a few covid booster shots.
Posted by: LMAO at September 18, 2021 08:00 PM (5C7Yh)

Just the thing for quietly killing intruders.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 18, 2021 08:34 PM (0ml47)

374 Will there be biscuits and gravy, Jameson Coffee and Tobasco Bloody Marys in the Apocalypse? If not, I think I'm going to go ahead and leave in a blaze of glory, taking out as many of those woke scum as I can on my way out.
Posted by: Frasier Crane

Here, let me give you my address. You can be my shock troop.

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 08:34 PM (Foq6I)

375 300 is the stupid round

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 18, 2021 08:34 PM (K3ZCc)

376 "I guess if all goes to shit

wont be none of those GAINZZ threeads for a while"

We'll all hit our weight-loss goals.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 18, 2021 08:35 PM (qpX6U)

377 Here, let me give you my address. You can be my shock troop.

There'll be all of that as long as we last!

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 08:35 PM (Foq6I)

378 JT, I'm here if you want to ask about maps.

Posted by: Emmie at September 18, 2021 08:36 PM (6RgRK)

379 yet another prominent scientist is getting censored about his "those that get the vaccine are the danger" comments.
France's long-time vaccine policy chief: Covid policy is "completely stupid" and "unethical".

https://tinyurl.com/3jhsafsh

Posted by: illiniwek at September 18, 2021 08:36 PM (Cus5s)

380 293 https://tinyurl.com/saxethxy
20 Tweets from Bad Blue
Lots of good ones, Fedbois at rally

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 08:08 PM (2JoB

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Links from Bad Blue are always a highlight.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 18, 2021 08:37 PM (ijCso)

381 Dad's unit was part of the British 8th Army in North Africa during WWII, as were the Gurkhas. He said if you were in your hole at night and felt a hand on your helmet, hold very still. Once they recognized you as friend they would move on.

Posted by: Javems at September 18, 2021 08:37 PM (AmoqO)

382 I don't see them EMPing us in an isolated strike, because retaliation.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 18, 2021 08:26 PM (qpX6U)
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the next 3+ years they are immune, so it's the perfect time for them to strike.

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it at September 18, 2021 08:37 PM (HbNSs)

383 How about one of those old time meat grinders you work by hand? My mom had one. It attached to the kitchen table.

Posted by: JuJuBee at September 18, 2021 08:37 PM (slmIp)

384 France's long-time vaccine policy chief: Covid policy is "completely stupid" and "unethical".
illiniwek

My son's affianced works at a large hospital complex. She was sent a letter that basically said getting the vax is completely voluntary, but we'll fire you if you don't.
Idiots. Lawyer speak.

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 08:39 PM (Foq6I)

385 "the next 3+ years they are immune, so it's the perfect time for them to strike."

Yes, that did occur to me.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 18, 2021 08:39 PM (qpX6U)

386 Rechargeable batteries and a solar powered charger.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

You can hack flashlights by building up around the batteries and you can use AA in D cells. 1.5 volts is 1.5 volts.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 08:29 PM (OCTRt)

See MegaWoodsWalker on Youtube. He is mort, RIP, but his channel is still up, last I checked. Lot's of videos on solar chargers, rechargeable, battery adapters in flashlights, etc.

Posted by: flounder at September 18, 2021 08:39 PM (KnJdm)

387 Oh, I see it's JTB talking about maps, not JT.

Anyway, we're parting with some paper maps.

Posted by: Emmie at September 18, 2021 08:39 PM (6RgRK)

388 I think I'm going to go ahead and leave in a blaze of glory, taking out as many of those woke scum as I can on my way out.
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Fist bump. The Chicago Alamo.

Posted by: dartist at September 18, 2021 08:40 PM (+ya+t)

389 I just hope if the SHTF, it do it while I can still get my teeth out of the glass in a decent amount of time

don't wanna go down a gummin

Posted by: REDACTED at September 18, 2021 08:40 PM (uCLWI)

390 Water is the key. I'm a couple of blocks from Lake Michigan and have a Berkey filter. Shouldn't run dry in my lifetime

Posted by: Pete Seria at September 18, 2021 08:40 PM (7ZQe3)

391 @361:

That's excellent advice about the hard copy maps.

I think this got much more real when "Biden" told the governors of Florida, Tennessee and Texas he was cutting off their access to monoclonal antibodies. That's bordering on genocide. And as we saw in Virginia over guns and California over Covid, cutting off water and electricity are tools in these monsters' kit. Terrifying,outrageous and sa simultaneously.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at September 18, 2021 08:42 PM (cMIkI)

392 It's all about the duration. Short term, food water and some armament. Long term? Who knows how it shakes out and worst case scenario the baddest dudes win. Bastions only really work IF you had a ton of money before to spend, something approaching a militia, and are reasonably unknown and far away from most people in a lightly populated area. How many of us civilized people are willing really to live like Mad Max, especially being 29? Besides, realistically if things go sideways it's more likely the worst case is like post Soviet Russia than Mad Max, IMHO. The egotistical old idiots running things now don't seem to grasp that the power they have COMES from there being a civilized system that most people have faith in. They wreck the system too much and they are just ancient geezers with titles who know bureaucrat tricks to threaten people with. The first actual violent security staff person or field grade officer to figure it out eliminates them.

Posted by: Azjaeger at September 18, 2021 08:42 PM (3/XaG)

393 Anybody have candles?
We always have candles around.

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 08:43 PM (Foq6I)

394 Water is the key. I'm a couple of blocks from Lake Michigan and have a Berkey filter. Shouldn't run dry in my lifetime
Posted by: Pete S

you have to get there and back without getting whackd

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 18, 2021 08:43 PM (K3ZCc)

395 just got the weirdest fucking alarm trying to open another ace tab. Some kind of bullshit about it being unsecured, and I had to click a couple of things to get here.

Makes me think AoSHQ is being targeted. Again.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Keith's Son at September 18, 2021 08:43 PM (x8Wzq)

396 Sorry about the JT/JTB mix-up.

Posted by: JuJuBee at September 18, 2021 08:44 PM (slmIp)

397 Bastions only really work IF you had a ton of money before to spend, something approaching a militia, and are reasonably unknown and far away from most people in a lightly populated area. H
Posted by: Azjaeg

now do how they govern

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 18, 2021 08:45 PM (K3ZCc)

398 It'd be hard to plan for either a Mad Max scenario or a Hunger Games scenario. Either are likely in the next 5 years or so... IMO.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 18, 2021 08:45 PM (BFigT)

399 you have to get there and back without getting whackd
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And that's just during the week now.

Posted by: dartist at September 18, 2021 08:45 PM (+ya+t)

400 The first actual violent security staff person or field grade officer to figure it out eliminates them.
Posted by: Azjaeger
You're right. Plan for 2 weeks to a month. After that, cities are depopulated, and they're fanning out. They won't be smart.
If it's long term, forget the batteries, forget the drones, we're back to basics.

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 08:45 PM (Foq6I)

401 there is no good answer for civil war, smod, whatever, it is going to be back to the pre-industrial age at best for some time

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 18, 2021 08:46 PM (K3ZCc)

402 395 just got the weirdest fucking alarm trying to open another ace tab. Some kind of bullshit about it being unsecured, and I had to click a couple of things to get here.

Makes me think AoSHQ is being targeted. Again.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Keith's Son at September 18, 2021 08:43 PM (x8Wzq)

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Did it say the certificate had expired? I got a message like that, too.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at September 18, 2021 08:47 PM (CAJOC)

403 I just realized that we don't have NEARLY enough salt.
Dan'l Boone built settlements around salt licks for a reason.

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 08:48 PM (Foq6I)

404
You're right. Plan for 2 weeks to a month. After that, cities are depopulated, and they're fanning out. They won't be smart.

never ever underestimate your enemies, there are smart and stupid everywhere.

the countryside is not just einsteins

besides, the entirety of the coasts oer within walking distance of big cited, same with the great laks

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 18, 2021 08:49 PM (K3ZCc)

405 The Little House on the Prairie books are good instruction manuals for survival. We could easily be back to those times with minimal disruption to the basic supply chains

Posted by: Pete Seria at September 18, 2021 08:50 PM (7ZQe3)

406 The ICO candle lanterns are nice. You can buy molds on Ebay to make candles for them.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at September 18, 2021 08:50 PM (YynYJ)

407 If you've experience in camping, particularly extended backcountry hiking, then you are in better mindset for what's needed.

Think about the basics. Water. Food. Shelter. And a network of like minded people. Don't plan on electricity. Everything revolves around obtaining food without juice.

Suburbia is not particularly defensible. Nor are rural areas for that matter.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 18, 2021 08:50 PM (oaepv)

408 Anybody have candles?
We always have candles around.
Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 08:43 PM (Foq6I)

As pointed out earlier, its the little things. Dont forget matches. And a good lighter.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 08:52 PM (axyOa)

409 Suburbia is not particularly defensible. Nor are rural areas for that matter.
Posted by: Common Tater

that is the thing, if you had a farm even it it was just a sectin, how do you secure that?

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 18, 2021 08:52 PM (K3ZCc)

410 Think probably scenarios based on where you live. West coast will get whacked by an earthquake leaving areas without water or electricity for long periods of time and all supply lines will be severed. Hurricanes in the south, midwest and up the east coast. Freezing in all the usual places. The point is, you should plan for a minimum of two to four weeks without food, water, or electricity.

Posted by: Ian Deal at September 18, 2021 08:52 PM (Qb4SJ)

411 This is all good mental exercise.
Honestly.
Lots of things I've not thought of, lots of things I have thought of, but haven't done. Some it real easy, too... right now.

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 08:52 PM (Foq6I)

412 Thanks for this thread, CBD et al. By coincidence, I was planning to sort out my pantry tomorrow.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at September 18, 2021 08:53 PM (Dc2NZ)

413 I just realized that we don't have NEARLY enough salt.

Sam's. 25 & 50 lb bags for cheap.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 08:54 PM (OCTRt)

414 >>409 Suburbia is not particularly defensible. Nor are rural areas for that matter. Posted by: Common Tater

Goin' mobile.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 08:55 PM (xK9An)

415 Prepping is a beautiful thing

Posted by: Draki at September 18, 2021 08:56 PM (hwhW9)

416 Goin' mobile.
Posted by: ZOD
You and those other 30,000 cars on that two lane blacktop... should be a Country/Western song...

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 08:57 PM (Foq6I)

417 A Leatherman is a great multipurpose tool. Very durable and easy to carry

Posted by: Pete Seria at September 18, 2021 08:58 PM (7ZQe3)

418 416 Goin' mobile.
Posted by: ZOD You and those other 30,000 cars on that two lane blacktop... should be a Country/Western song...Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 08:57 PM (Foq6I)

Cars? Blacktop?

Yeah. In the shade, where everyone else is looking.

Posted by: ZOD at September 18, 2021 08:59 PM (xK9An)

419 ONT

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at September 18, 2021 08:59 PM (Dc2NZ)

420 Having a good working bike is also smart. With some sort of carrier attachment as well

Posted by: Pete Seria at September 18, 2021 08:59 PM (7ZQe3)

421 that is the thing, if you had a farm even it it was just a sectin, how do you secure that?
Posted by: confederatefifth at September 18, 2021 08:52 PM (K3ZCc)

Family and friends. And maybe some geese.

Posted by: Javems at September 18, 2021 09:00 PM (AmoqO)

422 that is the thing, if you had a farm even it it was just a sectin, how do you secure that?
Posted by: confederatefifth at September 18, 2021 08:52 PM (K3ZCc)

If you have a farm, and farm it, or just live on the site, you have to get to know your neighbors. Ask them what they plan to do if TSHTF? Say the government just plain goes broke, and the welfare taps get shut off: what will they be doing about roving bands of marauders coming out of the cities?

I'd say try to organize townships (6 mi by 6 mi) as little Republics, each with its own militia. Have good relationships and trade with adjacent townships, but don't let them run your township, and don't try to run theirs.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 18, 2021 09:01 PM (0ml47)

423 Yeah, read The Long Winter if you want to be cheered up

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at September 18, 2021 09:01 PM (YynYJ)

424 Family and friends. And maybe some geese.
Posted by: J

no

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 18, 2021 09:02 PM (K3ZCc)

425 how much is enough salt?

There is a number of sites that can give you a time table for buying stuff over a year to stock up for a year's supply. They suggest to buy once a week, and give a guide what to buy each week.

For mindset, I used to have links to blogs from guys who lived through the hyperinflation in Argentina and a guy who survived 9 months besieged in a city in Yugoslavia

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2021 09:03 PM (ssx3L)

426 no
Posted by: confederatefifth at September 18, 2021 09:02 PM (K3ZCc)

Who then?

Posted by: Javems at September 18, 2021 09:03 PM (AmoqO)

427 Great thread CBD.

If you want small candles that last 24h, think yahrzeit candles. Also those large ones with saints on them. I have a few of those as well, I used them during Sandy outages to conserve batteries.

My grandmother, who did some kosher catering when times were good, lost her husband shortly after her last kid was born in 1930. She raised eight kids on a few gardening acres, the ability of the oldest boy to shoot, and canning. The Depression sucked, and she made sure that her grandkids had some basic skills in the event of emergency. she made us practice outdoor cooking and taught us some basic scavenging of native plants, what was useful, what was bad. Learning a bit of suburban foraging is a plus.

Posted by: CN at September 18, 2021 09:03 PM (ONvIw)

428 If you have a farm, and farm it, or just live on the site, you have to get to know your neighbors. Ask them what they plan to do if TSHTF? Say the government just plain goes broke, and the welfare taps get shut off: what will they be doing about roving bands of marauders coming out of the cities?

I'd say try to organize townships (6 mi by 6 mi) as little Republics, each with its own militia. Have good relationships and trade with adjacent townships, but don't let them run your township, and don't try to run theirs.
Posted by: Alber

that is not such a bad thought, except, what do you do iv a roving band hits your site? how many friends andneighbors are you going to get to your sit in time to be useful?

who is is going to go to your site sna have their site be undefended?

it does seem that being in the country is a good thing, the you start to run the way things would work there

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 18, 2021 09:05 PM (K3ZCc)

429 Who then?
Posted by: J

that is the thing, there is no good way to do that

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 18, 2021 09:06 PM (K3ZCc)

430 We aren't going to see Mad Max or Hunger Games. The elites have too good of a thing going.

We are going to see the continued consolidation of integrated global government with giant international corporations.

Posted by: TC at September 18, 2021 09:06 PM (lZiqV)

431 the thing is is you are trying to hold a site and the other guys just want to raid your site

Posted by: confederatefifth at September 18, 2021 09:07 PM (K3ZCc)

432 Anyone want to pool resources in Kittitas County? Or Grays Harbor County? I have supplies and skills.

Posted by: Lily Gazou at September 18, 2021 09:09 PM (/UCV2)

433 And billionaires, the Bezos and Gates and Buffet types..they think they break down society and then they rule? Lol. The rule of law and order breaks down and who rules is the most charismatic and lethal member of their security teams.

Posted by: Azjaeger at September 18, 2021 09:10 PM (3/XaG)

434 Washington state has an ad for staff to run a quarantine facility in Centralia. For a year. Wtf

Any other states have this going?

Posted by: Lily Gazou at September 18, 2021 09:15 PM (/UCV2)

435 Well I'm in SW WA. I could probably make it that far.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at September 18, 2021 09:20 PM (YynYJ)

436 I've got myself fully prepped. Except for a solar power system. I just can't figure our electricity at all. Oh, and I need to finally build the box to put the toilet seat on, which has a bucket inside. I've been seriously prepping for 12 years. This summer, I threw out about 75 cans of green beans and corn. Maybe edible, but bad flavor and no longer containing nutrients.

Posted by: Fastly Strokewater at September 18, 2021 09:50 PM (gWAUD)

437 Screw that. I plan on going on as if nothing is happening, go fishing on my boat and hangout on the beach.

Posted by: Garbone at September 18, 2021 09:56 PM (OWJr1)

438 If you've got a well with a shallow static line (~25' or less) get a Bison hand pump for the well head.

You'll never be without water again.

Posted by: Tim at September 18, 2021 09:57 PM (kXgIY)

439 And billionaires, the Bezos and Gates and Buffet types..they think they break down society and then they rule? Lol. The rule of law and order breaks down and who rules is the most charismatic and lethal member of their security teams.

Posted by: Azjaeger at September 18, 2021 09:10 PM (3/XaG)

Buffet used to be really smart until he went in with Gates and Bezos. He is still smart but I guess he thinks his views are dated. He was always a major Dem, if not a Lefty. His back story screams establishment Dem. But he used to write some great shareholder letters. He sold out, and when you own everything, it is not that big of a deal.

Posted by: Quint at September 18, 2021 10:40 PM (dIpnE)

440 Posted by: moon_over_vermont at September 18, 2021 07:14 PM (NL50y)

There's a really straightforward young man on YouTube - DIY Solar Power with Will Prowse.

Solar is just something I cannot grasp....

Posted by: Fastly Strokewater at September 18, 2021 10:54 PM (gWAUD)

441 I have a lot of can goods, when they get to the expiration date I freeze dry them. cost a bit for the freeze dryer, but well worth it. I freeze dry most of my garden crop.

Posted by: luckystarr at September 18, 2021 10:58 PM (IQ3sY)

442 For Christmas 1 year I got a couple Boy Scout Handbooks from the early 1900's. They are a wealth of information that just isn't taught any longer.

Posted by: luckystarr at September 18, 2021 11:07 PM (IQ3sY)

443 Kerosene isn't too expensive. U can get a stove and oven for not much $, and a heater that works very well. My heater runs 12 hours on 2 gallons. Then keep a good supply of Propane for the grill ( and maybe the generator) and u are set for a bit.... But you will eventually need a bug out place when others find out u have stuff.

Posted by: luckystarr at September 18, 2021 11:23 PM (IQ3sY)

444
I'll say it again:

I'm either a Bandit...or...the Bandit's Accountant.

Posted by: Sapwolf at September 18, 2021 11:38 PM (TGWA4)

445 Once upon a time, for reasons, I sealed a dozen or so rifles and stuff into vacuum bags. They were oiled down pretty good before and had dessicant packs in with them. After about 17 years I got them back and they were rust free and just about like the day they went away. So it does work. They were in a storage unit in a pretty humid environment for all that time.

Posted by: Northen at September 18, 2021 11:55 PM (VTLAA)

446 "Does anyone use vacuum sealing for anything other than food? I am tempted to seal ammunition into flat-packs that are protected from the environment and are easily stacked and carried, but is it worthwhile? Hell, I guess I could seal a pistol in a bag along with some ammo for a emergency weapon cache."

If it's not mylar, then you're largely wasting your time unless you're doing it for organization or because you want to take the cached items and protect them from water for short periods after recovering them (like 30 round blister packs for reloading mags, which is not a bad idea)
Typical vacuum seal plastic isn't a complete vapor barrier over a long enough period of time for ammo storage. For ammo you want metal ammo cans w/ gaskets; the challenge then is keeping the can from rusting through. If you're really not fucking around, you can coat the can in roofing tar and then slap plastic sheeting over that (for ease of handling).
Tools and other non-ammo items are different because you can oil them; the plastic keeps the oil in place and allows handling without making a mess. It's especially effective if you use oil with corrosion inhibitors (Corrosion-X comes to mind).

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at September 19, 2021 01:46 AM (wsx8x)

447 Another thought on where a lot of people are deficient:

- Juice. All the really effective stuff takes batteries. A 24 pack in the closet isn't going to cut it - if you have stuff that eats AA's, you'll want a few dozen lithiums, 100-200 cheaper alkalines, Eneloops and chargers, and at a minimum a solar charging setup. Per household.

Know how many cells you'd go through a night pulling security and how fast you can charge stuff like radios. Example - a PVS-14 is going to eat about 65 AA's a year, used every day. Add ~35% for cold weather and alkalines.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at September 19, 2021 01:58 AM (wsx8x)

448 310 check your calculations. I think the drop is more like 10 to 12 inches. With 230 grain ball, I can usually hit a steel silhouette at 100 yards by aiming at either the neck or bridge of the nose. It does require a good grip, trigger pull, and stance. A friend makes consistent hits on the same silhouette with a G17. You do have to practice.

Posted by: Richard at September 19, 2021 05:05 PM (6KoNE)

449 I bought a WAPI (Water Pasteurization Indicator) several years ago.

Posted by: az_desert_rat at September 19, 2021 05:53 PM (S6qq5)

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