Reason and Science or Alchemy?

This week, J.J. Sefton highlighted a couple of really insightful pieces concerning the thinking of our Ruling Class. They may help explain the preparations in D.C. today for the long-feared September 18 protest.

I was also asked on social media to participate in a couple of surveys which reflect the preoccupations of the media, academia and the ruling class. These topics seem to me to reflect a certain separation from reason.

First, Victor Davis Hanson, on Abandoning Science for Alchemy. You may recall J.J.'s quote:

Science is dying; superstition disguised as morality is returning. And we all will soon become poorer, angrier and more divided.

The premise of the piece is:

The scientific method used to govern much of popular American thinking.
In empirical fashion scientists advised us to examine evidence and data, and then by induction come to rational hypotheses. The enemies of "science" were politics, superstition, bias, and deduction.
Yet we are now returning to our version of medieval alchemy and astrology in rejecting a millennium of the scientific method.

A survey I took this week seems to reflect the idea that "science" really has little to do with the "scientific method". It gave me the idea that science should be treated like a religion. Kinda went along with the piece by VDH, as I think whoever put the survey together would think that I was "anti-science" for rejecting unscientific statements made in the name of science.

Here are a couple of examples from VDH of irrationality from "our betters":

Take the superstitions that now surround COVID-19.
We now know from data that a prior case of COVID offers immunity as robust as vaccination--if not better.
Why then are Joe Biden's various proposed vaccination mandates ignoring that scientific fact? Dr. Anthony Fauci, when asked, seemed at a loss for words.
Is this yet another of the scientific community's Platonic "noble lies," as when last year Fauci assured the public there was no need for masks? He later claimed he had lied so that medical professionals would not run out of needed supplies.
Fauci also seemed to throw out all sorts of mythical percentages needed for herd immunity, apparently in an attempt to convince the public that it will never be safe until every American is protected from COVID by vaccination only.

Why did both candidate Joe Biden and his running mate Kamala Harris warn the American people on the eve of the vaccination rollouts that a Trump Administration inoculation could be unsafe--thereby at the very outset undermining confidence in mass vaccinations?
Why was the medical community largely silent about such dangerous sabotaging of a new vaccination, but months later became vociferous in warning the public that any prior doubts about the safety of these Operation Warp Speed vaccinations were scientifically misplaced? Was there a medical breakthrough on January 20, 2020 to alter their consensus?

J. J. also picked up a piece from City Journal, "Crashing Out".

In Afghanistan, the United States succeeded only in creating a virtual fantasyland.

Worth reading. Especially concerning this kind of hubris:

In the summer of 2002, Karl Rove arranged a meeting with journalist Ron Suskind to tell him that reality was a thing of the past. Rove was the most senior and best-known advisor to President George W. Bush, the mastermind behind his election almost two years earlier. The meeting with Suskind happened as the Iraq War was looming. Public debate about invading Iraq revolved around forensic evidence and intelligence reports, taken more or less seriously by the members of what Rove called the "reality-based community"--people emotionally attached to reality the way their ancestors were attached to God.
Suskind did not disagree. He liked to believe that solutions emerge from the "study of discernible reality," but when he started to mumble something about the values of the Enlightenment and the ideal of empiricism, Rove cut him off. "Not the way the world really works anymore. We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you are studying that reality . . . we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort themselves out."

In both Iraq and Afghanistan, the point of the enterprise was to act decisively against an old foe and bring him down. What might happen afterward was not really considered.

And then, when "nation building" started, "new realities" really got confusing. But we never learned about the extent of the confusion. We were led to believe that our side was successful in controlling the "new realities".

September 18 Protest, "Extremist Groups", Surveys

Well, it looks like the National Guard probably won't get called out for the scary September 18 Protest highlighting the treatment of January 6 defendants. Not surprising. There are other events scheduled in D.C. today, too. The dcist has some interesting details. Counter-protests may be larger than the actual protest. But authorities need a wall around the Capitol.

MSN.com explains that:

Last month, DHS identified a "heightened threat environment" in its latest NTAS bulletin, warning of extremists "seek[ing] to exploit the emergence of COVID-19 variants by viewing the potential re-establishment of public health restrictions across the United States as a rationale to conduct attacks."

Oh. So this protest is not about January 6 defendants? It is about opposition to the re-establishment of public health restrictions? Have the actual protesters said this?

Another possibility:

When you think of J6, you picture the Q Anon shaman or even the outside scene - a minor riot.
When the regime thinks of J6, they see that picture (99% of you never saw) of the most powerful people in the world crawling around in terror of maga mee-maws.
Wizard of Oz moment.

I only saw *that* image once. Then it's like it vanished. It all came together. These people who vote to send people to war stuffed their faces into dirty carpet. They were totally humiliated and they wanted revenge.

More images in the thread at the link.

Survey from an actual hate group, the SPLC

I did not fill out this survey, which seemed like a fundraising scheme, but I thought the wording was interesting:

You've been selected to participate in a vital SPLC research project.
We urgently want to hear your views on the growing threat of violent white
nationalism and hateful extremists in your community. Please complete our Fighting Hate in America research assessment before 11:59 p.m. tonight.
Take our fighting hate in America survey
We urgently want to hear your views on the growing threat of violent white nationalism and hateful extremists in your community. Your answers will be kept confidential and will give the SPLC a better understanding of how to overcome the hate, racism, white supremacy, and intolerance that is poisoning our country.

This is their in-depth survey. They want to know my views:

THE SURVEY
Have you ever observed hate group activity in your community?
Question - Not required - Do you think social media platforms like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc., are doing enough to monitor and police hate groups and extremists?
Question - Not Required - Do you think local law enforcement should do more to monitor and investigate hate groups?

Nation of Islam shows up on the SPLC's "Hate Map", but while there are several "White Nationalist" groups displayed, Nation of Islam is not listed as "Black Nationalist", but rather as a "General Hate" group. Which made me wonder what a group has to do to become "Black Nationalist".

Survey on "vaccine hesitancy" from a Boston Nurse's College

I actually completed a survey on "vaccine hesitancy" which came from a nurse's college in Boston. It was full of leading questions which would tend to associate attitudes about vaccines with hatred toward people with other political views or the desire to silence them, conspiracy theories, attitudes about science in general, personality traits and life satisfaction. There were several "Christians are bigots" questions. But there were also some "people on the far left are bigots" questions, too.

There was almost nothing concerning the actual information people have received from authorities and scientists concerning the vaccines. Most questions were fashioned in an agree/disagree scale which made it difficult to express disagreement with the actual premise of the question.

My favorite parts were the (1) conspiracy page, where I was asked if I believed that information on aliens was being released to divert attention from actual aliens. For example. And (2) the science page, where it seemed that one had to agree that all science and scientists could be categorized as either wonderful or awful.

Joy Reid recently said that it was necessary to be an anti-vaxxer when Trump was in office. The survey questions would not come close to capturing her reasons for giving up her vaccine hesitancy.

Again, why would a survey on vaccine hesitancy NOT include questions about the information people are receiving about vaccines?

There was an opportunity to say a little something in actual words at the end of the survey. I blasted the conduct of official spokespersons (in general) and the stereotypical questions in the survey and it's odd "science is a monolith" questions in particular.

This survey encourages bigotry and division. I'm not sure that's what they intended. They may just think that way.

Music

The Sorcerer's Apprentice

Hubris leads to Nemesis as VDH would say.

This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.

Serving your mid-day open thread needs

Don't let the haters and the alchemists get to you. Hope you have something nice planned for the weekend.

Posted by: K.T. at 11:20 AM

Comments

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1 hi

Posted by: Dr. Varno at September 18, 2021 10:25 AM (vuisn)

2 I am not taking the vax.
Period.
#FJB

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I Help Ya Help Ya Help Ya Variant at September 18, 2021 10:25 AM (eZJQq)

3 Morning, horde!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 18, 2021 10:26 AM (kTF2Z)

4 Fantasia is a favorite to hum or whistle to

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 10:26 AM (2JoB8)

5 I want MORE PICTURES of the COWARDS with their faces in the carpet and their asses in the air.

Posted by: gm at September 18, 2021 10:28 AM (vMzmy)

6 And (2) the science page, where it seemed that one had to agree that all science and scientists could be categorized as either wonderful or awful.

Science is a tool. It can be used to invent penicillin, or a rail gun, or Zyklon gas.

And scientists are people, who can do things that are good or ill for their country, and like all people, mostly do things in their own immediate self interest.

The deification of science isn't just wrong, it destroys the notion of science itself. Science is not good or holy. Scientists are not inherently good or inherently wise.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2021 10:30 AM (DpkTQ)

7 Twitter sure isn't friendly if your not of the tribe anymore are they?

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 10:32 AM (2JoB8)

8 Adding to the argument about superstitions - masks are just talismans. You can show a zealot decades of scholarly study about how cloth masks don't have a meaningful impact on disease transmission, and all they'll do is scream at you.

You can argue about scale until you're blue in the face - a cloth mask stops a COVID viral particle the same way an empty 10 lane highway stops a speeding bus.

Posted by: Cato | If it was truly hopeless, would they need all this propaganda? at September 18, 2021 10:33 AM (Msrhc)

9 Remember when terrorists from BLM broke down the gate to the McCloskey's property and threatened to kill them and they therefore had weapons at the ready? And how the FNM told us that was not appropriate because no on from BLM had personally attacked them yet?

And apparently it is ok for the Secret Police of the Oligarchy to shoot unarmed people in cold blood because...they were scared?!?

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2021 10:33 AM (DpkTQ)

10 The enemies of "science" were politics, superstition, bias, and deduction.
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I think it's interesting that since at least the advent of the Industrial Revolution, (probably before when modest achievements were being made with steam and metallurgy), the entrenched left has always tried to frame the debate as being science v. religion. They are still flogging this horse, constantly denigrating, attacking and finally "othering" evangelicals and orthodox Christians over views of inception of life, young earth and creationism. Of course, with all leftard orthodoxy, there are inexplicable exceptions to their tactics. See: Muhamadism.
The irony is, Christianity and scientific progress can, have and will manage perfectly ok together with healthy philosophical debate.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 18, 2021 10:33 AM (7Fj9P)

11 Dark ages. Now that's what I'm talkin' 'bout!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 18, 2021 10:34 AM (VxC1e)

12 Alchemy gets a bad rap.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 18, 2021 10:34 AM (VxC1e)

13
You can argue about scale until you're blue in the face - a cloth mask stops a COVID viral particle the same way an empty 10 lane highway stops a speeding bus.

A recurring theme of our current dystopia is that if you do get a LIV to look at that sort of data they will tell you it isn't real. Why? Because the FNM would be talking about it if it was.

How do you force people who do not want to think to do so?

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2021 10:34 AM (DpkTQ)

14 The only real benefit of the mask is to remind you, "Hey, there's a nasty bug going around. Stop picking your nose and grabbing door handles, you gross bastard".

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 18, 2021 10:35 AM (6FeV1)

15 Science: It begins with the oooh and ahhh and always ends with the screaming. .

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 18, 2021 10:35 AM (kTF2Z)

16 The deification of science isn't just wrong, it destroys the notion of science itself. Science is not good or holy. Scientists are not inherently good or inherently wise.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2021 10:30 AM (DpkTQ)

Science isn't something you put on a pedestal. It's merely the best of our knowledge at the time. Nothing is sacred in it or about it. Even the oldest, most universally accepted theories can be altered or even entirely rubbished by a single fact that they can't explain.

It's not democratic, consensus doesn't mean anything. Either the data is good, or it isn't. Either the experiment proved what you set out to prove, or you need to adjust your methodology or change the hypothesis.

We're dealing with a cult of scientism, with a priesthood wearing labcoats.

Posted by: Cato | If it was truly hopeless, would they need all this propaganda? at September 18, 2021 10:37 AM (Msrhc)

17 Science: It begins with the oooh and ahhh and always ends with the screaming. .
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 18, 2021 10:35 AM (kTF2Z)

That Curie was a dirty, dirty girl.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 18, 2021 10:37 AM (6FeV1)

18 The irony is, Christianity and scientific progress can, have and will manage perfectly ok together with healthy philosophical debate.

Scientific progress is all but synonymous with Christianity. Almost every core advance in science came out of Christian Europe, Christian America, Christian Oceania, or Christian Russia.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2021 10:37 AM (DpkTQ)

19 Cicero (@cicero43) at September 18, 2021 10:34 AM

There's alchemy and then there's alchemy.

Posted by: KT at September 18, 2021 10:38 AM (0ghg2)

20 We're not being governed by scientists or alchemists or soothsayers. We're being governed by a cargo cult.

Posted by: aelfheld at September 18, 2021 10:38 AM (Zy9Yy)

21 To be fair, I would've done much better in school with the new Fauci scientific method. Skip over everything and go right to your conclusions. Then get all pissy when questioned.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 18, 2021 10:38 AM (kTF2Z)

22 We're being governed by a cargo cult.
Posted by: aelfheld at September 18, 2021 10:38 AM (Zy9Yy)

"Hey, buddy, I'm the one wearing the science coat, so you better listen to me!"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 18, 2021 10:38 AM (6FeV1)

23 The only real benefit of the mask is to remind you, "Hey, there's a nasty bug going around. Stop picking your nose and grabbing door handles, you gross bastard".

Yet in the real world people are constantly touching their faces because of the mask. I am amused every time I am in a store and see some poor clerk have to touch his or her face every five minutes to adjust the mask or scratch an itch caused by the mask.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2021 10:39 AM (DpkTQ)

24 Double, double,
toilet trouble

Posted by: Dr. Varno at September 18, 2021 10:40 AM (vuisn)

25 Business alchemy:
Product + long distances + mumbo jumbo = supply chain.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 10:40 AM (OCTRt)

26 Adding to the argument about superstitions - masks are just talismans. You can show a zealot decades of scholarly study about how cloth masks don't have a meaningful impact on disease transmission, and all they'll do is scream at you.
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Heh. Our policy at work (for now) is that you can roam common spaces mask free, IF you are "fully vaxed"*. I acquired a mask from Etsy that is all black, with a gold star of David in the lower right corner. I haven't had the balls to wear it yet, probably I don't know if many of the people, esp. the ones who need to get it, will understand the imagery. (Most likely a lot of mumbling: "I didn't know he was Jewish...") I need encouragement from the Horde here.
*This term still enrages me a little

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 18, 2021 10:40 AM (7Fj9P)

27 If there were ever a field of human endeavor where saying the magic words is all that is deemed necessary, "business" would be it.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 18, 2021 10:41 AM (6FeV1)

28 We're not being governed by scientists or alchemists or soothsayers. We're being governed by a cargo cult.
Posted by: aelfheld at September 18, 2021 10:38 AM (Zy9Yy)

A cargo cult wearing lab coats, but essentially, this.

They've replaced objectivism with subjectivism, reason with narrative, and haven't realized that those two things are the underpinning of the scientific method. If we live in a universe where there's a "my truth" and a "your truth", and everything is dependent on the observer, there's no reason at all why an experiment might not work if you try it again under the exact same conditions.

Posted by: Cato | If it was truly hopeless, would they need all this propaganda? at September 18, 2021 10:42 AM (Msrhc)

29 This new learning amazes me! Tell me again how sheep's bladders May be employed to prevent earthquakes.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 18, 2021 10:42 AM (kTF2Z)

30 Remember the serious-looking prop doctors standing there wearing their white lab coats while ShitMidas droned in about the wonders of Obamacare? That kind of theater has a big impact on the unthinking.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 18, 2021 10:42 AM (VxC1e)

31 Question - Not Required - Do you think local law enforcement should do more to monitor and investigate hate groups?

BLM, Pantyfa, NoI & Islam? Yes.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 10:42 AM (OCTRt)

32 If there were ever a field of human endeavor where saying the magic words is all that is deemed necessary, "business" would be it.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 18, 2021 10:41 AM (6FeV1)

Politics, particularly where it crosses with economics.

Everyone knows that money doesn't go on trees.

Throw in a little Keynes and a little Modern Monetary Voodoo, and all of the credentialed "experts" at the Fed think they can just run the money printer 24/7 without any adverse consequences.

Posted by: Cato | If it was truly hopeless, would they need all this propaganda? at September 18, 2021 10:43 AM (Msrhc)

33 Those pictures of "our leaders" crouching, literally eating carpet are telling.
But I've always believed it was briefing they got later by the very agencies that were behind the farce that scared them shitless.
They were no doubt told how close they came to hanging from a lamp post , but not for the bravery of Michael Byrd and the rest of the Rent-a-Cops.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 18, 2021 10:44 AM (mR6Gs)

34 "fully vaxed"*

There is indeed a lot of irony here. Most vaccines are sterilizing, the clot shot is not - it reduces symptoms for about 6 months.

And in parts of the world they are about to force everyone to get a second "booster" to be "fully vaxxed". Biden told the FDA to approve the first booster for everyone - they took a middle ground and only recommended it for at risk people. So...if you don't have the booster are you fully vaxxed? Are people with the booster super fully vaxxed?

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2021 10:44 AM (DpkTQ)

35 Remember the serious-looking prop doctors standing there wearing their white lab coats while ShitMidas droned in about the wonders of Obamacare? That kind of theater has a big impact on the unthinking.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 18, 2021 10:42 AM (VxC1e)

The words of Rush Limbaugh weigh heavily on this topic. Symbolism without substance.

Posted by: Cato | If it was truly hopeless, would they need all this propaganda? at September 18, 2021 10:44 AM (Msrhc)

36 I haven't had the balls to wear it yet, probably I don't know if many of the people, esp. the ones who need to get it, will understand the imagery. (Most likely a lot of mumbling: "I didn't know he was Jewish...") I need encouragement from the Horde here.
*This term still enrages me a little
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin

If I had that mask, I'd wear it. I'd prefer a black mask with a yellow Star of David prominently place in the center. And no, not a MoT.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 10:45 AM (OCTRt)

37 What percentage of the entire range of humans is capable of understanding what SCIENCE! actually is?

What percentage of the entire range of humans thinks they are capable of understanding what SCIENCE! actually is?

Lots of dynamic range there. Oh say can you see, 300dB.

Posted by: klaftern at September 18, 2021 10:45 AM (taPSh)

38 Have heard of a mask mandate in my county but yet to see it on any sign. But if it does happen thought a slogan
This mask if for your Vax failure

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 10:47 AM (2JoB8)

39 Rove cut him off. "Not the way the world really works anymore. We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you are studying that reality . . . we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort themselves out."

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That right there. This is it in a nutshell. It's not left or right (I mean, it is for them, but not for us), the power elites operate in a system that takes the world in this direction or that, and while smart people are trying to sort it all out, they continue to act. Fact don't matter, truth doesn't matter, morality doesn't matter. They act, we react. Over and over and over. It's a game that can never be won.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2021 10:47 AM (dnXji)

40 But I've always believed it was briefing they got later by the very agencies that were behind the farce that scared them shitless.

A thousand armed, motivated men probably have taken the whole of the treasonous lot prisoner and proclaimed some new political regime if they wanted to on that day*. But...that's been true for most of American history.

It is just that up until now the government hasn't given people a real reason to do so in a long time.

*Unlikely to ultimately succeed of course...coups take a lot of planning and some level of buy in from existing power brokers.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2021 10:48 AM (DpkTQ)

41
Poor Dukas! Permanently damned to be a one-hit composer. But there's a bunch of good stuff he wrote that's out there and worth a listen.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 18, 2021 10:48 AM (/U27+)

42 If there were ever a field of human endeavor where saying the magic words is all that is deemed necessary, "business" would be it.
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I think in muzzie rites, the husband has merely to say " I divorce you, I divorce you, I divorce you", and the marriage is dissolved. That's typically not the end of the ceremony though, especially for the divorcee. Stoning, decapitation or "stove accidents" usu. complete the ritual.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 18, 2021 10:48 AM (7Fj9P)

43 I think a major reason why so many are so open to the dictates of bad science is that they suffer from "knowledge anxiety", that is they are conditioned to defer to "experts" when it comes to things that would have been considered 'common sense" up until 30 years ago.

You ever notice weather reports that show little cartoons of overcoats, scarves and mittens along with the temperature to let viewers know HOW TO DRESS when it's cold out?

Posted by: JoeF. at September 18, 2021 10:48 AM (mR6Gs)

44 "More images in the thread at the link."

Only the text quote on my browser, no pics.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 18, 2021 10:48 AM (9HYyY)

45 Remember net neutrality? The internet was going to be a mess if we did not have net neutrality. I wish someone would make a list of the things these deep thinkers from Davos and tech come up with.
Thank you for the content above. I can not believe where we are now. For sure, like the article says above, most of international travel, and a lot of domestic flight is curtailed. Not good. Our freedoms are already being controlled.

Posted by: MikeM at September 18, 2021 10:49 AM (xPTqL)

46 That right there. This is it in a nutshell. It's not left or right (I mean, it is for them, but not for us), the power elites operate in a system that takes the world in this direction or that, and while smart people are trying to sort it all out, they continue to act. Fact don't matter, truth doesn't matter, morality doesn't matter. They act, we react. Over and over and over. It's a game that can never be won.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2021 10:47 AM (dnXji)

Throw in hubris with the subjective mindset I described a few posts ago, and that's the typical output. "We create reality."

Posted by: Cato | If it was truly hopeless, would they need all this propaganda? at September 18, 2021 10:49 AM (Msrhc)

47 I want to see one study that states masks work. Just one. There are a dozen that state they don't.
Even the one study that said "cloth masks work"
https://wmbriggs.com/post/37320/
Actually prove they don't.

Posted by: Spock at September 18, 2021 10:49 AM (IinWq)

48 Oh good lord. I had never heard that Karl Rove quote before, and that's really too bad. He said that when I was a senior in HS or maybe shortly after, so my intellect was formed by then. If I'd heard that quote at the time, I could have easily just written Rove off as an individual of no value to humanity, and saved myself a few years of realizing that he's nothing but a fat, ignorant, arrogant, greedy pig-man.

People who say solipsism is real with a straight face need to be tossed in a metal shredder. They're not solely responsible for all our problems, but they're a huge part of them.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 18, 2021 10:49 AM (FvCkv)

49 I wish someone would make a list of the things these deep thinkers from Davos and tech come up with.

Its been at least 30 years since we were first told the world had about a decade left.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2021 10:49 AM (DpkTQ)

50 Do you guys know about Basedcon?

Basedcon.com

Thought if it hadn't been presented yet, it would make a good add on for tomorrow's book thread. 2021 is already sold out.

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 18, 2021 10:49 AM (7MBHe)

51 Its been at least 30 years since we were first told the world had about a decade left.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2021 10:49 AM (DpkTQ)

50. First article of the type I've identified was published in 1971.

Posted by: Cato | If it was truly hopeless, would they need all this propaganda? at September 18, 2021 10:51 AM (Msrhc)

52
You ever notice weather reports that show little cartoons of overcoats, scarves and mittens along with the temperature to let viewers know HOW TO DRESS when it's cold out?
Posted by: JoeF. at September 18, 2021 10:48 AM (mR6Gs)

__________

That's why when it's 50 degrees I see women, mostly, dressed like they're going to repeat Shackleton's Trans-Antarctic Expedition.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 18, 2021 10:51 AM (/U27+)

53
we're all discussing the Coof, but don't forget that global othering, or warming, or whatever it is this week, is still at the top of the Demotards agenda.
I had a plant pathologist buddy try to convince me that "the science was in" and that warming was anthropomorphic, and he knew cause he was a "scientist".
I asked him how many meteorology classes he had. How many astrophysics? How many calculus, physics, etc...
How about engineering?
Yeah, none... he's a plant pathologist.

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 10:51 AM (Foq6I)

54 And no, not a MoT
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Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 18, 2021 10:52 AM (7Fj9P)

55 How do you force people who do not want to think to do so?
Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2021 10:34 AM (DpkTQ)

"You cannot reason a person out of something he did not reason himself into in the first place."
Jonathan Swift

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 18, 2021 10:53 AM (84Mkk)

56 I asked him how many meteorology classes he had. How many astrophysics? How many calculus, physics, etc...
How about engineering?
Yeah, none... he's a plant pathologist.
Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 10:51 AM (Foq6I)

I love people who are all like "I'm a scientist" and somehow I am a dumbass because I only have a couple of engineering degrees.

Posted by: blaster at September 18, 2021 10:53 AM (mbFEM)

57 Pet peeve of mine is calling anyone in government our "leaders." They are elected officials, nothing more.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 18, 2021 10:54 AM (kTF2Z)

58 Double, double,
toilet trouble
Posted by: Dr. Varno
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Bubble, bubble
toilet trouble

Posted by: My Intestines at September 18, 2021 10:54 AM (LTfVQ)

59 That's why when it's 50 degrees I see women, mostly, dressed like they're going to repeat Shackleton's Trans-Antarctic Expedition.

I've seen exactly that when I lived in Portland. I believe I was wearing a t-shirt and a light coat at the time.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2021 10:54 AM (DpkTQ)

60 There is vax to take. That concoction they are forcing on us has no relation to a vaccine. In fact, it appears more and more that it is the exact opposite.

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 18, 2021 10:54 AM (84Mkk)

61
power dude, they will use whatever clubs available to get power over us

Posted by: will choose a nic later at September 18, 2021 10:55 AM (bTQ72)

62 Grassroots Motorsports magazine announced they were making a donation to the SPLC and I canceled the next day. It's too bad because I liked that magazine. When I told them why and that they should stay out of politics, they said "that's too bad, bye". Assholes.

Posted by: f'd at September 18, 2021 10:55 AM (Tnijr)

63 Stay with it. It's not what you think it will be but it's soooo true.

https://tinyurl.com/yffwjwyw

Posted by: Tami at September 18, 2021 10:55 AM (cF8AT)

64 Ordinary American
Thanks for that quote. I was looking for it the other day, and couldn't find it, nor the author.

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 10:55 AM (Foq6I)

65 I had a plant pathologist buddy try to convince me that "the science was in" and that warming was anthropomorphic

A simple question as always - why was it warmer 1,000 years ago then it is today? And the real science is clear on this...

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2021 10:56 AM (DpkTQ)

66 I was at the grocery about 2 hours ago. Nobody masked, and then while checking out a young guy got in line, wearing a black mask. A few years ago I could have shot him. Anyway, this guy was really staring with the crazy eyes at the cashier and me. Asked the young guy if he was queer for my gear. Then I gave him the malocchio, and I'm not even Italian.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 18, 2021 10:56 AM (C1Lsn)

67 Better go get a can of gas before I lose motivation again.

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 10:56 AM (2JoB8)

68 Kind of a tie in to business alchemy.
Wife works for a large grocery chain. She has started noticing empty shelves. (After I told her the supply chain was broken) She had me pick up two large packages of chicken breasts at Sam's to vac pack and freeze. On top of the ten pounds already in the freezer. Along with the 30 lbs of 90/10 ground beef.

She's noticing it and wanting to start prepping. Along with all the notices of appliances on back order. After we bought her truck from only two on the lot.

Never has so much been missing.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 10:56 AM (OCTRt)

69 Most elected officials couldn't lead drunks into a bar.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 18, 2021 10:57 AM (kTF2Z)

70 "Not the way the world really works anymore. We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you are studying that reality . . . we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort themselves out."
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Shorter: Valerie Jarrett, shortly before inauguration day, 2009: "Barak Obama will be ready to rule on day 1."

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 18, 2021 10:57 AM (7Fj9P)

71 A simple question as always - why was it warmer 1,000 years ago then it is today? And the real science is clear on this...
Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2021 10:56 AM (DpkTQ)

A good question for a plant pathologist: why is more CO2 and higher temperature bad for plants?

Posted by: blaster at September 18, 2021 10:57 AM (mbFEM)

72 And no, not a MoT
================
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Posted by: Brave Sir Robin

Member of the Tribe.
JJ, CBD, NGU and others. (Jewish)

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 10:58 AM (OCTRt)

73 Ya know, you could quote Rove's words directly to him today, and it wouldn't change his perception of reality a whit -- Because he has tasted power, and that warps a person I think. He's literally been called The Architect by Bush (who also had another name for him, Turd Blossom), which is also one of the top bad guys in The Matrix. Also immensely powerful.

And both were wrong in the end. Ass over teakettle upside down wrong.

The progressives are much easier to figure -- BAMN, gain power.

Posted by: GnuBreed, vax-free pureblood at September 18, 2021 10:58 AM (F0YaR)

74 heartbreaking video of masking a kindergartner

https://tinyurl.com/7h5m2hba

Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 10:58 AM (Zsfob)

75 I want to know on what date was the global climate perfect.

Posted by: f'd at September 18, 2021 10:58 AM (Tnijr)

76 Pet peeve of mine is calling anyone in government our "leaders." They are elected officials, nothing more.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
----
I think of them as managers. Period. They can display good management, to the end of a civil, polite, prosperous society, or, bad management, dictated by personally-held political perspectives and self-interest.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 18, 2021 10:58 AM (LTfVQ)

77
What does a plant pathologist do? Autopsies on dead plants?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 18, 2021 10:59 AM (/U27+)

78 Like the pic of men in suits munching carpet.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 18, 2021 10:59 AM (T1fV4)

79 Carl Rove never read Ayn Rand.

Create our own reality indeed.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2021 11:00 AM (ssx3L)

80 Pet peeve of mine is calling anyone in government our "leaders." They are elected officials, nothing more.
Posted by: Duke Lowell

Whenever I call them "my betters" it's always in quotes.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 11:00 AM (OCTRt)

81 What does a plant pathologist do? Autopsies on dead plants?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 18, 2021 10:59 AM (/U27+)

Studies things that kill or infect plants.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2021 11:01 AM (ssx3L)

82
A law was made a distant moon ago here:
July and August cannot be too hot.
And there's a legal limit to the snow here
In Camelot.
The winter is forbidden till December
And exits March the second on the dot.
By order, summer lingers through September
In Camelot.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 18, 2021 11:01 AM (/U27+)

83
boy they are making fun of Sara Palin for saying she had the kung flu and does not need a shot

Posted by: will choose a nic later at September 18, 2021 11:01 AM (bTQ72)

84 @BillFOXLA 49 min

BREAKING: I am absolutely stunned by what I'm witnessing right now. We are on a boat in the Rio Grande near the Del Rio international bridge and we are watching as masses of hundreds of migrants walk across the river from Mexico and stream into the US illegally.

https://tinyurl.com/yj6oev8c

Posted by: Tami at September 18, 2021 11:01 AM (cF8AT)

85 Studies things that kill or infect plants.
Posted by: Kindltot

Round Up, Pasture Clear, gasoline, flame.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 11:01 AM (OCTRt)

86 "a cloth mask stops a COVID viral particle the same way an empty 10 lane highway stops a speeding bus."

The last/best study I found that maybe directly related, was that a mask might reduce chance of infection by 5-10% (other factors ignored). Obviously a mask will stop some larger droplets, so it may reduce (marginally) the amount of inoculum being spread. imo, to deny that is to deny the obvious ...

So if trying to persuade, it is best to concede that valid point, or make the point yourself (obviate the objection). THEN explain the 29 reasons why masks don't work, and are unhealthy. (the aerosols that carry the virus may pass through the mask, more likely around, but I don't think the virus survives just on its own, so it is the size of the aerosol that matters most)

"Yet in the real world people are constantly touching their faces because of the mask."

right ... that is one of the many reasons masks are harmful. There is that false sense of security, so all other normal safety measures get ignored. Washing hands frequently and not rubbing face ... but mostly, healthy people have to be exposed so we get herd immunity.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 18, 2021 11:02 AM (Cus5s)

87 "Asked the young guy if he was queer for my gear. Then I gave him the malocchio, and I'm not even Italian."

These people are cowards. They're looking for someone they can intimidate. Staring them down is a simple exercise.

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 18, 2021 11:02 AM (7MBHe)

88 Along with all the notices of appliances on back order. After we bought her truck from only two on the lot.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 10:56 AM

the appliances are all on back-order because they can't afford the steel to make them...in August 2020, hot rolled steel was trading at $457 / ton

this week, that same steel is trading at $1,980 / ton

(less so with the trucks; that's more related to the chip shortage)

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 18, 2021 11:03 AM (DUIap)

89 It's not democratic, consensus doesn't mean anything. Either the data is good, or it isn't. Either the experiment proved what you set out to prove, or you need to adjust your methodology or change the hypothesis.

We're dealing with a cult of scientism, with a priesthood wearing labcoats.
Posted by: Cato | If it was truly hopeless, would they need all this propaganda? at September 18, 2021 10:37 AM (Msrhc)

And even that word, "prove," has no place in science. Your experiment renders a result, and all you ever CAN do is show your results appear to point in one direct or another.

The next study that comes along and points in the other direction, all it does is add one more tiny bit of information we didn't have before. In the vast universe of ignorance, knowledge is tiny dots between the stars.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2021 11:03 AM (dnXji)

90 I had a plant pathologist buddy try to convince me that "the science was in" and that warming was anthropomorphic, and he knew cause he was a "scientist".
Posted by: MkY

This is a good reference for questions he can't answer:

The Skeptic's Handbook ( pdf file )
https://tinyurl.com/wht78v4w

Stick to those questions, and he'll shit his pants.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 18, 2021 11:03 AM (1t5dY)

91 The last/best study I found that maybe directly related, was that a mask might reduce chance of infection by 5-10% (other factors ignored). Obviously a mask will stop some larger droplets, so it may reduce (marginally) the amount of inoculum being spread. imo, to deny that is to deny the obvious ...

If you can smell my fart through your mask, you're already infected with covid.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 11:03 AM (OCTRt)

92 Most elected officials couldn't lead drunks into a bar.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
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Thay numpties could'na organize a piss-up in a brewery

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 18, 2021 11:04 AM (LTfVQ)

93 Saw Fantasia when it was rereleased in 1980. Very entertaining.

Posted by: Mean Tweets at September 18, 2021 11:04 AM (vGJY7)

94 hiya

Posted by: JT at September 18, 2021 11:04 AM (arJlL)

95 Studies things that kill or infect plants.
Posted by: Kindltot

Yup.. Also identify same.

Posted by: MkY at September 18, 2021 11:05 AM (Foq6I)

96 Burn Camelot . Burn

We will come to your country and burn Camelot down.

How do you like that.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 18, 2021 11:05 AM (T1fV4)

97 "If you can smell my fart through your mask, you're already infected with covid."

Exactly. That right there should end the debate.

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 18, 2021 11:05 AM (7MBHe)

98
In Camelot.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 18, 2021 11:01 AM

my parents had that soundtrack on 8-track; they played the siht out of it

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 18, 2021 11:05 AM (DUIap)

99 Happy Saturday, Horde! Homecoming dress shopping for the minime today. I hate shopping.
Posted by: Catherine--who generally doesn't curse.

A dame that doesn't like shopping ! ?

Will wonders never cease !

Posted by: JT at September 18, 2021 11:05 AM (arJlL)

100 We create reality
Posted by: Cato
At this point I do not believe myself. For two years I said that the covid was just the flu. Then I got it, and it was just the flu, dry cough which somewhat remains today, headaches, muscle aches.
But! I read about various anti-vaxxers dying or being hospitalized and I think: Mike, you are wrong, do not believe your senses and experience, do not believe your lying eyes. Granted these very sick or dying people are always just beyond my physical experience. They are never people I really know, just some people Howard Stern made fun of etc. Although I see Laura Loomer is unhappy with her covid experience and want everyone to get the vax.

Posted by: MikeM at September 18, 2021 11:05 AM (xPTqL)

101 And both were wrong in the end. Ass over teakettle upside down wrong.

The progressives are much easier to figure -- BAMN, gain power.
Posted by: GnuBreed, vax-free pureblood at September 18, 2021 10:58 AM (F0YaR)

Ah, but this is the "create your own truth" thing showing up again. Neither Georgie Boy or Karl see ANYTHING they did as wrong. They were wildly successful. They accomplished EVERYTHING they set out to. Now, you and I see them as completely wrong, but that's only because we were looking in the wrong direction. We thought they set out to win a war against the vaporous "terror."

The did not.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2021 11:06 AM (dnXji)

102 this week, that same steel is trading at $1,980 / ton

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 18, 2021 11:03 AM (DUIap)

Yesterday I got a recall notification from Ford. Something to do with winter months/salt exposure corrosion that could lead to the "rear suspension toe link ball joint" seizing up.

Then they told me, "Parts are not currently available to complete this repair". BUT...I need to get an 'interim inspection to ensure safe operation....until parts are available."

:/

Posted by: Tami at September 18, 2021 11:07 AM (cF8AT)

103 After 100, hopefully by the time I press send.

OT - Ben Had & hogmartin, you have mail. I've found about as much as I can on Lee Smith for you without registering and paying for access to LEO databases in NOVA/ D.C.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (VcFUs) - at September 18, 2021 11:07 AM (VcFUs)

104 If you follow a politician into a bar, don't be surprised when you have one drink and then wake up in the alley with no wallet and a bleeding rectum.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 18, 2021 11:08 AM (FvCkv)

105 A lot of what is passed as science is actually "technology"
there is nothing wrong with tech, but it usually takes current ideas and functions and does new things with them. Most of the industrial advances we have today were tech, the steam engine and the internal combustion engine were mostly guys fiddling with stuff to make it run better.
Science comes about when people ask "I wonder why that works"
Of course when that gets answered it opens up huge potential areas, (though sometimes it doesn't because it doesn't mesh with current thinking on tech)

Terrance Kealey is the author to look to in this subject, he has written several books, but if you have 90 minutes you can hear him discuss science and public funding of science on the Bitcoin Standard Podcast with Saifedean Ammous

https://tinyurl.com/fvbp3jvt

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2021 11:08 AM (ssx3L)

106 "They accomplished EVERYTHING they set out to. Now, you and I see them as completely wrong, but that's only because we were looking in the wrong direction."

This is something conservatives have to recalibrate. We are misunderstanding their successes as failures.

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 18, 2021 11:08 AM (7MBHe)

107 It's not democratic, consensus doesn't mean anything. Either the data is good, or it isn't. Either the experiment proved what you set out to prove, or you need to adjust your methodology or change the hypothesis.

We're dealing with a cult of scientism, with a priesthood wearing labcoats.
Posted by: Cato | If it was truly hopeless, would they need all this propaganda? at September 18, 2021 10:37 AM

It's been peer reviewed!!!!!!

Posted by: Michael Mann at September 18, 2021 11:08 AM (JUOKG)

108 heartbreaking video of masking a kindergartner
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That flashed across my Twatter feed; I could take about 12 seconds of watching that. I saw another one, of a 2 year old girl, who approached every protrusion in a wall, outlets, junction boxes, water valves, and put her hands under them, then did the hand sanitizer, hand dance. She was doing it compulsively, to everything.
My idiot co-worker told me her rising Kindergartner "just wasn't comfortable without a mask on." I almost said: "You created that psychosis, bitch." Alas, I need my job.
This is what we're sowing.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 18, 2021 11:09 AM (7Fj9P)

109 My aunt got the clot shot. Told everyone they needed to get it or they would die.

Four weeks later she got clotting in her legs. Told everyone not to get the clot shot.

Doctor told her the clot shot didn't cause these clots. Now she is telling everyone to get the clot shot again.

What a stupid time to be alive.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2021 11:10 AM (DpkTQ)

110 Science isn't something you put on a pedestal. It's merely the best of our knowledge at the time. Nothing is sacred in it or about it. Even the oldest, most universally accepted theories can be altered or even entirely rubbished by a single fact that they can't explain.

And *often* the "scientific" view has been found to be inferior to the old-fashioned traditional view. I remember when they found the wreck of one of the Franklin Expedition ships at the bottom of the Arctic Sea a few years ago. Way back in the 1800s, local Eskimo tribes had told a tale about the top mast of a European ship sticking up out of the ice right in that location. Western researchers knew the story, but discounted it - the ship couldn't have come this way, and the tides indicated it should have been somewhere much further east.

Turns it was right where the Eskimos had said it was. "The Science" was wrong; the local folklore was right. Today researchers have to treat native stories with respect, but if some poor white people state something that contradicts The Science, they're just as arrogant and dismissive.

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette, just to clarify things at September 18, 2021 11:10 AM (iGurG)

111 "Now she is telling everyone to get the clot shot again."

I just nod and smile.

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 18, 2021 11:11 AM (7MBHe)

112 .I need to get an 'interim inspection to ensure safe operation....until parts are available."
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CYA action. You see, if they inform you that operation would be unsafe, then they are off the hook, liability-wise.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 18, 2021 11:11 AM (LTfVQ)

113 We should take all the leading economists and have them head up our new alchemy/superstition industry. They seem to have it down pat.

Posted by: Roy at September 18, 2021 11:12 AM (Ti+Tv)

114 Granted these very sick or dying people are always just beyond my physical experience. They are never people I really know, just some people Howard Stern made fun of etc. Although I see Laura Loomer is unhappy with her covid experience and want everyone to get the vax.
Posted by: MikeM at September 18, 2021 11:05 AM (xPTqL)

Here's part of my reality. People go into and come out of hospitals all the time. The one person I know who was hospitalized in the past few months, went in because they were batshit crazy. I mean, the real kind. Tested positive for the CCP virus shortly thereafter, was transferred from the psych ward to the Coof ward for a while, until it became apparent they were not symptomatic, tested negative, and then proceeded to be batshit crazy for a while longer.

This person is part of the "surge" of hospitalizations for the Coof. And remember people, that scary Delta Delta Delta is out there, and it's gonna gitcha!

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2021 11:12 AM (dnXji)

115 109 My aunt got the clot shot. Told everyone they needed to get it or they would die.

Four weeks later she got clotting in her legs. Told everyone not to get the clot shot.

Doctor told her the clot shot didn't cause these clots. Now she is telling everyone to get the clot shot again.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2021 11:10 AM (DpkTQ)

She seems nice.

Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 11:12 AM (Zsfob)

116 26
Brave Sir Robin
I made my own Star of David mask by printing one out at home and stapling it to a black mask.
Full front, covers the entire mask.
It has not been well received in the few places that demand I be masked.
The Karens hate it but so far are afraid to say anything.

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at September 18, 2021 11:12 AM (FtJ1S)

117 100 Laura Loomer is unhappy with her covid experience and want everyone to get the vax.
Posted by: MikeM at September 18, 2021 11:05 AM (xPTqL)

Where is Laura Loomer telling everyone to get the vax? I have not seen that.

Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 11:13 AM (Zsfob)

118 Way back in the 1800s, local Eskimo tribes had told a tale about the top mast of a European ship sticking up out of the ice right in that location. Western researchers knew the story, but discounted it - the ship couldn't have come this way, and the tides indicated it should have been somewhere much further east.

That dismissal has nothing to do with science. It's the opposite of science. It's insisting on your preconceived notion, and ignoring anything else to the contrary.

Posted by: pep at September 18, 2021 11:13 AM (ZsR3z)

119 Alchemy gets a bad rap.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 18, 2021 10:34 AM (VxC1e)

Alchemy is based on the idea that certain things have a rightful action inherent to them, and the manipulation of those things can result in desired reaction: line up the dominoes and off they go when initiated.
Alchemy is the attempt to find the inherent reaction within things and arrange them to give you what you want.

completely understandable mindset for people who were trained in Marxism and believe in inevitable outcomes, if all the barriers are removed.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2021 11:14 AM (ssx3L)

120 "I actually completed a survey on "vaccine hesitancy" which came from a nurse's college in Boston. It was full of leading questions which would tend to associate attitudes about vaccines with ..."

Why I always look for a comments section on any survey I'm given just so I can call bullsh*t on their leading questions.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 11:14 AM (axyOa)

121 It may be just me, but I could not care less what Laura Loomer has to say about anything.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 18, 2021 11:16 AM (kTF2Z)

122 We're being governed by a cargo cult.
Posted by: aelfheld at September 18, 2021 10:38 AM (Zy9Yy)

Quant. Suff! Quant. Suff!

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2021 11:16 AM (ssx3L)

123 Park your car 50 feet from other cars in case the ball joint flies off and hits something. You can never be too safe.

Posted by: F'ord at September 18, 2021 11:16 AM (Tnijr)

124 I mean, nuclear physics is effectively alchemy.

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 18, 2021 11:16 AM (7MBHe)

125
Lara Loomer at UK Daily Mail

Posted by: will choose a nic later at September 18, 2021 11:16 AM (bTQ72)

126 Dr. Mabusette - Heh. A mini cosmic intersection. Last night my shower vocalizations were 'Northwest Passage'. I expect that you know it: https://tinyurl.com/448x3zvh

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 18, 2021 11:17 AM (LTfVQ)

127

Amazon stopped drug testing its employees in June

that might be something to watch

Posted by: will choose a nic later at September 18, 2021 11:18 AM (bTQ72)

128 "I actually completed a survey on "vaccine hesitancy" which came from a nurse's college in Boston. It was full of leading questions which would tend to associate attitudes about vaccines with ..."
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Why I always look for a comments section on any survey I'm given just so I can call bullsh*t on their leading questions.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 11:14 AM (axyOa)

Any survey you take, your best answer is down the middle. Neither agree or disagree. I have no opinion. This doesn't apply.

Make the bastards do their math, and try to explain the vast indifference to their questions. Assuming they're going to be honest about it. "5 million people were surveyed: 10 people strongly disagreed, 10 people strongly agreed. 4,999,980 had no opinion."

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2021 11:18 AM (dnXji)

129 "That dismissal has nothing to do with science. "

If the Experts did not have Science then they probably would have listened to the Eskimos

Posted by: F'ord at September 18, 2021 11:18 AM (Tnijr)

130 Reality is what our betters say it is. No more, no less.

Welcome to 2021 America.

Posted by: tsj017 at September 18, 2021 11:18 AM (WG6GG)

131 Amazon stopped drug testing its employees in June

that might be something to watch
Posted by: will choose a nic later at September 18, 2021 11:18 AM (bTQ72)

Sure helps to explain why packages, when they DO arrive, are damaged and/or missing items with increasing regularity.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2021 11:19 AM (dnXji)

132 Loomer article at the Daily mail
https://tinyurl.com/55b7teas

Posted by: MikeM at September 18, 2021 11:19 AM (xPTqL)

133 I have witnessed and participated in true scientific method reviews, as a NASA employee. Test readiness reviews, design reviews, flight techniques reviews, vehicle readiness reviews, flight readiness reviews, and in-flight anomaly reviews.

The climate change and COVID masking, etc., stuff peddled by Our Betters would not survive past 30 minutes in a NASA spaceflight techical review. The chairman would angrily stop the review and tell the presenters to come back in a week with provable, credible, evidence for their proposals.

NOTE: The Challenger and Columbia accidents were the result of not rigorously following standard NASA spaceflight review practices. Mangers who were review chairmen chose to rely on lousy data and the recommendations of non-experts.

Posted by: Gref at September 18, 2021 11:19 AM (AMIL/)

134 Amazon stopped drug testing its employees in June

that might be something to watch
Posted by: will choose a nic later at September 18, 2021 11:18 AM (bTQ72)

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I ordered vitamin supplements from Amazon and I received 6 jars of marshmallow fluff. WTF?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 18, 2021 11:20 AM (kTF2Z)

135 A mini cosmic intersection. Last night my shower vocalizations were 'Northwest Passage'.

One of my favorite selections. I can't vouch for the others within earshot.

Posted by: pep at September 18, 2021 11:20 AM (ZsR3z)

136 George Carlin mocked health & doctor bullshit decades ago, he said it was all "just guesswork in a lab coat".

Posted by: Crom's Tankard at September 18, 2021 11:20 AM (vzaMD)

137 I think we have conclusively established that Eskimos > science

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 18, 2021 11:21 AM (VxC1e)

138 I ordered vitamin supplements from Amazon and I received 6 jars of marshmallow fluff. WTF?

How do you think the StaPuft Marshmallow Man got so big and robust?

Posted by: pep at September 18, 2021 11:21 AM (ZsR3z)

139 Lara Loomer at UK Daily Mail
Posted by: will choose a nic later at September 18, 2021 11:16 AM (bTQ72)

I've always gotten more than a faint whiff of charlatan from that broad.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2021 11:21 AM (dnXji)

140 My aunt got the clot shot. Told everyone they needed to get it or they would die.

Four weeks later she got clotting in her legs. Told everyone not to get the clot shot.

Doctor told her the clot shot didn't cause these clots. Now she is telling everyone to get the clot shot again.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2021 11:10 AM (DpkTQ)

She seems nice.
Posted by: m

She sounds sciencey.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 11:22 AM (s2OJe)

141 Let me explain it to you with my whiteboard.

Posted by: Karl Rove at September 18, 2021 11:22 AM (63Dwl)

142 Doctor told her the clot shot didn't cause these clots. Now she is telling everyone to get the clot shot again.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2021 11:10 AM (DpkTQ)

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She wouldn't happen to hail from Brattleboro, VT would she?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 18, 2021 11:23 AM (VxC1e)

143 The Challenger and Columbia accidents were the result of not rigorously following standard NASA spaceflight review practices. Mangers who were review chairmen chose to rely on lousy data and the recommendations of non-experts.

Posted by: Gref

I've also read that it was exacerbated by the trend of dumbing everything down into Powerpoint charts, which are a terrible way to present complicated and intellectually rigorous topics.

Posted by: Crom's Tankard at September 18, 2021 11:23 AM (vzaMD)

144 I *love* 'Northwest Passage'! Canadians are haunted by the Franklin Expedition, maybe because the bodies of most of them were never found. It's like their skeletons are up there in the attic, rattling around.

Posted by: Dr. Mabusette, just to clarify things at September 18, 2021 11:23 AM (iGurG)

145 Posted by: MikeM at September 18, 2021 11:05 AM (xPTqL)

Glad you got (mostly) over it. You should have good immunity now. I know quite a few people that have had it; most have fully recovered. Two died, however -- One was an out of shape obese man in his 50s, early on in the pandemic. Not many treatments were known then. The other was a morbidly obese female, 60s, used a scooter to go check the mail.

But here is a puzzler -- By now, we know obesity, fitness and age are factors. But the CDC data collection has gotta be huge. Blood types and bloodwork, race, sex, medications being taken etc etc etc... Why isn't that data being mined for additional danger signs and communicated? Politics is my guess as to why not.

Posted by: GnuBreed, vax-free pureblood at September 18, 2021 11:23 AM (F0YaR)

146 Have gas, better force myself to run tractor before lunch.

Last week saw a woman maskless with child just old enough to walk with mask in grocery store.

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 11:23 AM (2JoB8)

147 A survey I took this week seems to reflect the idea that "science" really has little to do with the "scientific method". It gave me the idea that science should be treated like a religion.

It's Gnosticism (or perhaps a further perversion of it). People use the word "science" when they need knowledge, most obvious when they talk about old religions being forms of science. But it's most abusive with reason when their logic is along the lines of "Fauci is ols and has a title, therefore his knowledge is better than mine" as it completely sidesteps the question of whether he could be mistaken, or, certainly these days, simply lying his ass off.

Posted by: Methos at September 18, 2021 11:23 AM (kOpft)

148 125
Lara Loomer at UK Daily Mail
Posted by: will choose a nic later at September 18, 2021 11:16 AM (bTQ72)

Thanks.

There's a confusing sentence in that article. It looks like it might be saying that Laura Loomer is asking everyone to get vaccinated, but it's in fact saying that Meidas Touch is asking everyone to get vaccinated.

Self-proclaimed pro-democracy media company Meidas Touch reposted it on Twitter, where Loomer is banned permanently for making hate comments and violating the company's rules, writing: 'Yikes. Please take this virus seriously, get vaccinated and wear a mask. . . .'

https://tinyurl.com/yec3e9b8

Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 11:24 AM (Zsfob)

149 Let me explain it to you with my whiteboard.
Posted by: Karl Rove at September 18, 2021 11:22 AM (63Dwl)

More of a white twig though, isn't it?

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2021 11:24 AM (dnXji)

150 I've always gotten more than a faint whiff of charlatan from that broad.
Posted by: BurtTC
I was surprised. So you, meaning Loomer, said the virus was nothing, but now you are crying that everyone should get vaxxed. That it feels like you were hit by a bus. Makes her look like an idiot.

Posted by: MikeM at September 18, 2021 11:24 AM (xPTqL)

151
I've also read that it was exacerbated by the trend of dumbing everything down into Powerpoint charts, which are a terrible way to present complicated and intellectually rigorous topics.
Posted by: Crom's Tankard at September 18, 2021 11:23 AM (vzaMD)

__________

Edward Tufte is scathing on this point.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 18, 2021 11:24 AM (/U27+)

152 I've also read that it was exacerbated by the trend of dumbing everything down into Powerpoint charts, which are a terrible way to present complicated and intellectually rigorous topics.
Posted by: Crom's Tankard at September 18, 2021 11:23 AM (vzaMD)

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Hah! THIS is exactly why powerpoints make such great opening statements at trial.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 18, 2021 11:24 AM (VxC1e)

153 The Loomer stuff seems dumb.

I don't want the clot shot because of the known side effects and potential long term side effects that won't be know for a while yet.

COVID is certainly no fun to contract...but since the jab doesn't stop you from getting it, and only has a short shelf life to reduce the symptoms the risk/benefit ratio is off.

Someone should ask Loomer if she's rather have had a stroke? Or perhaps cancer in 5 years?

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2021 11:25 AM (DpkTQ)

154 Have gas, better force myself to run tractor before lunch.

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You know who else had gas?

*hums first few bars of When Der Fuhrer Farts*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 18, 2021 11:26 AM (VxC1e)

155 One of my favorite selections. I can't vouch for the others within earshot.
Posted by: pep
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The cat and dog retire to the far regions of the house, not sure why.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 18, 2021 11:26 AM (LTfVQ)

156 OT: Joe Biden decided he want to go for a choo choo ride.

https://tinyurl.com/46px3ykw

Posted by: pep at September 18, 2021 11:26 AM (ZsR3z)

157 116 26
Brave Sir Robin
I made my own Star of David mask by printing one out at home and stapling it to a black mask.
Full front, covers the entire mask.
It has not been well received in the few places that demand I be masked.
The Karens hate it but so far are afraid to say anything.
Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at September 18, 2021 11:12 AM (FtJ1S)

I want to make a mask out of fiberglass window screen. It meets the "code" for masking.

Posted by: Roy at September 18, 2021 11:27 AM (Ti+Tv)

158 But here is a puzzler;data mining
Posted by: GnuBreed
Thank you Gnu.
And exactly. Going into the third year, there should be some studies to show who should really be worrying about the virus. But I guess science and politics are keeping it an unknown, so everyone can live in fear of being struck down.

Posted by: MikeM at September 18, 2021 11:28 AM (xPTqL)

159 So...if you don't have the booster are you fully vaxxed? Are people with the booster super fully vaxxed?

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2021 10:44 AM

I'll put them on Double Secret Vaccination!

Posted by: Dean Wormer at September 18, 2021 11:28 AM (vzaMD)

160 Lara Loomer at UK Daily Mail
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The propaganda organs love these "conversion" stories. The only ones better are the deathbed conversion stories. They showed one "healthy" woman, cropped from the chin up, on her deathbed, excoriating everyone to get vaxed. What they didn't show was all 350 lbs of her below the neck.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 18, 2021 11:28 AM (7Fj9P)

161 Oh and this is one of the dumber things the left does - pretend there are no trade off in decisions.

So, you get the clot shot, there are no side effects and you can never get COVID. Woohoo. Except those last two points aren't true.

Or, reduce the number of cops on the street and you'll reduce costs, have fewer crimes by cops and fewer crimes overall. The first point is doubtful, the second questionable, and the third false.

And so on...

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2021 11:29 AM (DpkTQ)

162 I've always gotten more than a faint whiff of charlatan from that broad.
Posted by: BurtTC
I was surprised. So you, meaning Loomer, said the virus was nothing, but now you are crying that everyone should get vaxxed. That it feels like you were hit by a bus. Makes her look like an idiot.
Posted by: MikeM at September 18, 2021 11:24 AM (xPTqL)

She circles in a realm with others who have been "kicked off" all the platforms, and I don't doubt there is sometimes some sincerity in them, but the Milos and the Gavins and the Alexes... and Loomers, etc., they are making a living by being the martyrs to the deplatforming.

It pays good, I'm sure, but I'm kinda over all of it.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2021 11:29 AM (dnXji)

163 I have had the China Flu twice now.

Not too bad. Slight fever, mild cement like snot, bad sore throat. Cleared up in 7 to 10 days each time. No ass olympics though, never shit my pants or worse.

Wonder what all the shit paper hoarding was for?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 18, 2021 11:30 AM (R/m4+)

164 Well, we're rejecting science in a lot of ways.

Transgenderism is the elevation of solipsism over science. That the only reality is ideas and concepts in the concscioune, the rejection of the fundamental assumption of science of an external physical reality whose characteristics and properties can be observed and verified independently.

Posted by: you're in hell the world ended at September 18, 2021 11:31 AM (N8FYY)

165 Wonder what all the shit paper hoarding was for?

Too many rough nights at Man's Country.

Posted by: Obama and Fauci at September 18, 2021 11:31 AM (DpkTQ)

166 I *love* 'Northwest Passage'! Canadians are haunted by the Franklin Expedition, maybe because the bodies of most of them were never found. It's like their skeletons are up there in the attic, rattling around.
Posted by: Dr. Mabusette
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*sigh*
All we have is the Donner Party.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 18, 2021 11:31 AM (LTfVQ)

167 MeidasTouch.com
@MeidasTouch
Sep 17
Yikes. Please take this virus seriously, get vaccinated and wear a mask. . .

https://tinyurl.com/35e6em6s

Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 11:32 AM (Zsfob)

168 Did Laura have Covid? Even Ted Nugent changed his opinion after getting it.

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 11:32 AM (2JoB8)

169 I think we have conclusively established that Eskimos > science
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 18, 2021 11:21 AM (VxC1e)

Eskimos get something wrong that is within their responsibility and they and their family die.

Most scientists get something wrong they apply for further grants and ask the University for another ream of printer paper.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2021 11:32 AM (ssx3L)

170 Nimrod. The modern bureaucrat is Nimrod. People,, and the basic story of people, never really changes. Just different clothes, accessories, and better tools. And larger numbers.

Posted by: Azjaeger at September 18, 2021 11:32 AM (3/XaG)

171 I *love* 'Northwest Passage'! Canadians are haunted by the Franklin Expedition, maybe because the bodies of most of them were never found. It's like their skeletons are up there in the attic, rattling around.
Posted by: Dr. Mabusette

*sigh*
All we have is the Donner Party.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 18, 2021 11:31 AM (LTfVQ)

Colorado has the poor man's Donner Party: Alfred "Fudge" Packer.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2021 11:33 AM (dnXji)

172 For whatever reason my tractor battery never seems to have enough charge to start, have to jump it with my truck.

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 11:33 AM (2JoB8)

173 The notion that reality is malleable by changing the way you think is an old one and now almost universal on the left.

I presume it can only be changed by some adverse outcome that causes individual pain. So...men can be women and cow farts will make the world burn is all great....until you need a squad of kids to raise enough crops so that you don't starve to death.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 18, 2021 11:33 AM (DpkTQ)

174 168 Did Laura have Covid? Even Ted Nugent changed his opinion after getting it.
Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 11:32 AM (2JoB

She has it now.
She hasn't changed her opinion--according to anything I'm finding online. She's not on Twitter.

Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 11:35 AM (Zsfob)

175 Amazon stopped drug testing its employees in June

that might be something to watch
Posted by: will choose a nic later at September 18, 2021 11:18 AM (bTQ72)

Sure helps to explain why packages, when they DO arrive, are damaged and/or missing items with increasing regularity.
Posted by: BurtTC

Fuckers stole a book I'd ordered. Right out of the packaging.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 11:36 AM (s2OJe)

176 143 The Challenger and Columbia accidents were the result of not rigorously following standard NASA spaceflight review practices. Mangers who were review chairmen chose to rely on lousy data and the recommendations of non-experts.

Posted by: Gref

I've also read that it was exacerbated by the trend of dumbing everything down into Powerpoint charts, which are a terrible way to present complicated and intellectually rigorous topics.

Posted by: Crom's Tankard at September 18, 2021 11:23 AM (vzaMD)

Not really. NASA and DoD and pretty-much everybody used PowerPoint-type presentations long before there was PowerPoint and similar software. PowerPoint made it easier and faster to make presentation slides, and provided a means to insert flashy graphics, and data charts, plus video clips.

Before PowerPoint, presentation slides were made on a copier using thin, flexible, blue-translucent or clear thermal-sensitive plastic to copy typewriiten or handwritten paper slides; the plastic slides were displayed using overhead projectors. Folks over age 29 must remember this stuff from their school says.

Posted by: Gref at September 18, 2021 11:36 AM (AMIL/)

177 I bitch and moan about the leftists, the GOP and all the shit going on, but I think some focused kinetic action on the media would resolve a lot of issues once and for all.

YMMV

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 18, 2021 11:36 AM (BFigT)

178 Just for record, IMO fiberglass is evil stuff, breathing through it can't be good.

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 11:37 AM (2JoB8)

179 The Alchemist, a Lovecraft story BOC turned into a song. Apopopos
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j4TFfTSUbto

Posted by: SFGoth at September 18, 2021 11:37 AM (KAi1n)

180 Didn't the TP hoarding start with the rumblings of a lockdown? Can't leave the house for 2 weeks, better get a 6 month supply of TP.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 18, 2021 11:38 AM (4thlk)

181 For whatever reason my tractor battery never seems to have enough charge to start, have to jump it with my truck.
Posted by: Skip

Something is draining it. Pull positive cable and let sit for a week. If it starts up, something is draining it, OR, you have a cell going bad. Had that on my ATV. Wouldn't even click. Lights bright.

New battery + vroom.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 11:39 AM (s2OJe)

182 Sure helps to explain why packages, when they DO arrive, are damaged and/or missing items with increasing regularity.
Posted by: BurtTC

Fuckers stole a book I'd ordered. Right out of the packaging.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 11:36 AM (s2OJe)

Anything I order online now, I start elsewhere, and only come back to Amazon because I can't find it somewhere else. Worst part is ordering something like towels or sheets, getting them and finding it's cheap China garbage.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2021 11:40 AM (dnXji)

183 For whatever reason my tractor battery never seems to have enough charge to start, have to jump it with my truck.
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Is your alternator alternating?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 18, 2021 11:41 AM (7Fj9P)

184 It's interesting to see all of the attention given far to late to "nation building", brought to Iraq and Afghanistan by an American ruling class that's dedicated to destroying the nation which it rules. It's small wonder that all of this destruction has happened and who exactly is responsible for it.

Posted by: FatAlbert at September 18, 2021 11:42 AM (A/FER)

185 > For whatever reason my tractor battery never seems to have enough charge to start, have to jump it with my truck.

I had to keep my Kubota on a Battery Tender or it wouldn't start. ---> new battery fixed it. Tested the old one and it was kaput. Wouldn't hold a charge.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 18, 2021 11:43 AM (BFigT)

186 The vaccine fervor has nothing to do with disease. It's entirely about power. It's the left wanting to punish a nation for daring to put Trump in power, and then re-electing him.

Nothing to do with the Wuhan Flu. If it was just public health, they would not be so completely aggressive in pushing it. They wouldn't care.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 18, 2021 11:44 AM (OU+8W)

187 Trapped at my MiL's in Selma, and it is raining like hell. Certainly more than an inch per hour. It's like a hurricane without the wind.

Only beer and college football will save this day.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 18, 2021 11:44 AM (6RVJj)

188 idk the DeepPhilosphy needed to argue "Reason" as it applies in various thangs ... I vaguely recall hearing the French Revolution murdered good people, partly because it was reasonable to conclude removing the (perceived) evil ones was necessary to attain ? Enlightened Culture?

Our Founders established God given rights, protected FROM government. It always comes down to reasonable men, deciding when to kill off their unreasonable oppressors.

There is still real science, but the evil ones like Fauci are useful political tools, willing to murder by restricting doctors with useful treatments. Their chant is "Trust the Science", but real scientists know they are lying. It is a vicious coup, their fake science is just Orwellian 2+2=5, submit or be punished.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 18, 2021 11:46 AM (Cus5s)

189 I bitch and moan about the leftists, the GOP and all the shit going on, but I think some focused kinetic action on the media would resolve a lot of issues once and for all.
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I've thought/fantasized about this myself. Even a light probing op to see just how hardened MSNBCNNBCBS are would be a neat little experiment.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 18, 2021 11:46 AM (7Fj9P)

190 Dr. John Ioannidis has written about the crisis in replication these days, and RetractionWatch is morbidly fascinating.

Posted by: Lirio100 at September 18, 2021 11:46 AM (uFOGo)

191 [Shamelessly taken from Powerlineblog's Week in Pictures]

By my lights, this image gets the "caption Biden's yelling" answer perfectly:

https://tinyurl.com/BidenCaption

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at September 18, 2021 11:48 AM (ZSK0i)

192 For towels and sheets, go to MyPillow and help out a true patriot Mike Lindell. It's great stuff.
All the big box stores stopped stocking his products due to his politics.
PROMO codes are everywhere.
warroom is one
Bongino is another.

Posted by: I'm not mike... at September 18, 2021 11:48 AM (aAP3z)

193 Anyone know what time this "rally" is supposed to start in DC?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 18, 2021 11:51 AM (kTF2Z)

194 Anyone know what time this "rally" is supposed to start in DC?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 18, 2021 11:51 AM (kTF2Z)

Soon.

Posted by: The FBI, A Criminal Gang at September 18, 2021 11:51 AM (R/m4+)

195 I go off on the MSM because without them the Democrat/leftist/socialist/communists wouldn't have an effective method to get their twisted messaging across. If you've ever watched and listened to our political class talk, unscripted, they suck bigly. The media excels at messaging and even the worst of them is better than any politician. They stay on point until told not to, weave the narrative of the day/week/month into every. single. story. so nobody misses it.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 18, 2021 11:52 AM (BFigT)

196 RetractionWatch is morbidly fascinating.

Posted by: Lirio100 at September 18, 2021 11:46 AM (uFOGo)

It's amazing what gets published nowadays. There are simply too many budding PhDs trying to get published...anywhere.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 18, 2021 11:52 AM (Q9lwr)

197 193 Anyone know what time this "rally" is supposed to start in DC?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 18, 2021 11:51 AM (kTF2Z)

Supposedly 12.... Don't expect a lot to attend after all the warnings to stay away

Posted by: It's me donna at September 18, 2021 11:52 AM (L91xj)

198 193 Anyone know what time this "rally" is supposed to start in DC?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 18, 2021 11:51 AM (kTF2Z)

Right now!

Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 11:53 AM (Zsfob)

199 Vaccine hesitancy is killing grandma!!! Put the Trump rubes in camps!!! Stay safe.

Posted by: A Scold of Karens at September 18, 2021 11:53 AM (Xrfse)

200 Why did they "nation build" in Iraq, but less so in Saudi Arabia? ... And why not "nation build" Iran by supporting the Green Revolution, instead of helping them build nukes?

I guess there are different factions in DeepState? ... Could we have allowed a more fundamentalist Iraq to exist, and kept them separate from the Taliban/terror side of things? Was that the purpose of propping up Saddam in the first place? ...

idk, but certainly putting the gay pride flag up, and telling men to shave their beards, was sabotage of any "nation building" efforts. Were these different DeepState factions (Obama versus BushDoctrine)? ... or just all part of the eternal war leading to NWO/BuildBackBetter?

Trump's idea ... sovereign states based in some level of liberty) as allies against commie states, mostly China right now.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 18, 2021 11:55 AM (Cus5s)

201 Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 18, 2021 11:46 AM (7Fj9P)

The issue is the media is in bed with the politicians, often literally. If you look at the marriages, and other family relations between politicians and media, its pretty enlightening as to WHY the media is as it is.

The Cuomo brothers are more the rule, then the exception.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 18, 2021 11:56 AM (oHd/0)

202

Chinese property giant Evergrande is on the brink of collapse, and analysts warn the potential fallout could have far-reaching implications that spill outside China's borders.

"Evergrande's collapse would be the biggest test that China's financial system has faced in years," says Mark Williams, chief Asia economist at Capital Economics.

Snowed under its crushing debt of $300 billion, Evergrande is so huge that the fallout from any failure could hurt not just China's economy. Contagion could spread to markets beyond China.

https://tinyurl.com/3pkf4ny6

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 18, 2021 11:56 AM (63Dwl)

203 There is no longer range killer than a scientist who knowingly works for a totalitarian regime.

Science is a tool. It can be used to invent penicillin, or a rail gun, or Zyklon gas.

And scientists are people, who can do things that are good or ill for their country, and like all people, mostly do things in their own immediate self interest.

The deification of science isn't just wrong, it destroys the notion of science itself. Science is not good or holy. Scientists are not inherently good or inherently wise.
Posted by: 18-1

This, this this.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at September 18, 2021 11:56 AM (tjZg/)

204 I've been watching videos of climbing Mt Everest. There is a lack of POCs (other than Sherpas and Asians). We need more diversity!

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at September 18, 2021 11:57 AM (YynYJ)

205 Contagion could spread to markets beyond China.

Well, that wouldn't be a first.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 18, 2021 11:58 AM (Xrfse)

206 I have no idea but I'm not sure the Proud boys and the Oath Keepers are a net positive

Posted by: REDACTED at September 18, 2021 11:58 AM (uCLWI)

207 Snowed under its crushing debt of $300 billion, Evergrande is so huge that the fallout from any failure could hurt not just China's economy. Contagion could spread to markets beyond China.
https://tinyurl.com/3pkf4ny6
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 18, 2021 11:56 AM (63Dwl)

Good.

More please.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 18, 2021 11:58 AM (R/m4+)

208 Loomer/it's in fact saying that Meidas Touch is asking everyone to get vaccinated.
Posted by: m
You are right.

Posted by: MikeM at September 18, 2021 11:59 AM (xPTqL)

209 Hadrian -
Tufte is spot-on. The problem began before PowerPoint software; PowerPoint makes it easier dazzle your audience and confuse them without even trying. And even mis-lead them if you want to.

Posted by: Gref at September 18, 2021 11:59 AM (AMIL/)

210 Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 18, 2021 11:56 AM (63Dwl)

they are so fucked they are offering discount apartments to the washed out investors

Posted by: REDACTED at September 18, 2021 12:00 PM (uCLWI)

211 Snowed under its crushing debt of $300 billion, Evergrande is so huge that the fallout from any failure could hurt not just China's economy. Contagion could spread to markets beyond China.

https://tinyurl.com/3pkf4ny6
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

They are refusing to service their debt, even though their billionaire founder (Chinese) has offered cash infusion. Banks all over Asia will be hit hard, but apparently, they are getting used to this.
This has been heavily covered at Zero Hedge, and interesting that is has a bit of breakthrough at CNBC.
This may be China's "Lehman moment", akin to the failure and fall of Lehamn Brothers, almost exactly 13 years ago.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at September 18, 2021 12:00 PM (tjZg/)

212 The Meidas Touch Twitter site is a swamp.

@MeidasTouch

Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 12:00 PM (Zsfob)

213 It gave me the idea that science should be treated like a religion.

Hence the endless appeals to authority, a logical fallacy, which is antithetical to scientific inquiry.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 18, 2021 12:01 PM (QU5/8)

214 208 Loomer/it's in fact saying that Meidas Touch is asking everyone to get vaccinated.
Posted by: m
You are right.
Posted by: MikeM at September 18, 2021 11:59 AM (xPTqL)

Thanks for the update, MikeM.

Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 12:01 PM (Zsfob)

215 Balls to the barrel.

Posted by: The AoSHQ Hamsters at September 18, 2021 12:02 PM (Xrfse)

216 I have an "italics off" command in my name field.

Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 12:02 PM (Zsfob)

217 Seems not to be working!

Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 12:02 PM (Zsfob)

218

Posted by: The AoSHQ Hamsters at September 18, 2021 12:03 PM (Xrfse)

219 All commies suck each other's dick. It's in the handbook.

Factions love killing each other too.

Factions....America...USSR..China...oh...i forgot you were standing there Europe. You may go now.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 18, 2021 12:03 PM (T1fV4)

220 Lysenkoism is alive and well.

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at September 18, 2021 12:03 PM (II3Gr)

221 Thanks, hampsters.

Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 12:04 PM (Zsfob)

222 Barrel time.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 18, 2021 12:04 PM (qBY2k)

223 Our pleasure.

Posted by: The AoSHQ Hamsters at September 18, 2021 12:04 PM (Xrfse)

224 the world was fucked as soon the camera was invented

familiarity breeds contempt

and nothing breeds it like the camera's imagery

Posted by: REDACTED at September 18, 2021 12:05 PM (uCLWI)

225 Burrrppp!

Posted by: The Barrel at September 18, 2021 12:06 PM (R/m4+)

226 "Evergrande's collapse would be the biggest test that China's financial system has faced in years," says Mark Williams, chief Asia economist at Capital Economics.
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Saw a neat video (not sure how old it was) of Chynah demo'ing 13 or so multi story high-rises in one of their "ghost cities". (It was cool to watch them fall virtually simultaneously) This just reinforces the truism: In a centrally planned economy, the only 2 products are gluts and shortages.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 18, 2021 12:06 PM (7Fj9P)

227 "Even Ted Nugent changed his opinion after getting it."

Young people quickly deal with it, and most healthy people can cope. But I do think there may be "worse than flu" bad impacts, than often last longer, because it was designed to be bad, if not designed as a bio-weapon.

I'd rather never get it, but would rather get it and attain natural immunity than get the (current) vaccines. If Covid is never going away, younger people should get it "while they're young", then mostly immune for life. (till Fauci/Gates/China release their next bio-weapon?)

Posted by: illiniwek at September 18, 2021 12:07 PM (Cus5s)

228 " superstition disguised as morality "

A great phrase! A perfect and terse definition of woke horseshit.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 18, 2021 12:07 PM (qpX6U)

229 I think we should _________ and then that one ________ would scare the fast food from their intestines.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 18, 2021 12:11 PM (T1fV4)

230 I have witnessed and participated in true scientific method reviews, as a NASA employee. Test readiness reviews, design reviews, flight techniques reviews, vehicle readiness reviews, flight readiness reviews, and in-flight anomaly reviews.
The climate change and COVID masking, etc., stuff peddled by Our Betters would not survive past 30 minutes in a NASA spaceflight techical review.

Ditto with a large NW-based airplane company. There was no screwing around with the data or the maths. Fun to watch.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 12:14 PM (axyOa)

231 Anything I order online now, I start elsewhere, and only come back to Amazon because I can't find it somewhere else. Worst part is ordering something like towels or sheets, getting them and finding it's cheap China garbage.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2021 11:40 AM (dnXji)

Went through a similar thing with curtains. Tried a set from Amazon - China junk. Returned on their dime. Crossed off Amazon-pimped brands and searched elsewhere. Found a much better product at Overstock.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at September 18, 2021 12:15 PM (uhPTO)

232 Why are we expecting scientists to think and to use reason when the common folk have abandoned it completely?

Friends of mine almost lost their adult daughter thanks to the Astra Zeneca vaxx. She was in an induced coma for two months after she suffered resulting thrombosis from the jab. Once she was on the mend ( not sure if she'll ever be 100 percent again) they were the principal organizers of an arts festival which demanded vaccine proof for entry. Another friend just asked me if I got the jab and before I could answer, she confessed that she got the first shot and ended up in the hospital with heart problems! They asked her if she wanted them to resuscitate her if it came down to it! And she STILL recommends that everyone get the jab!

What is wrong with people?????

Posted by: RondinellaMamma Donald J. Trump is our duly elected president & covid came from a Chinese laboratory at September 18, 2021 12:16 PM (l0Cy4)

233 That then fenced of Capital Hill Is a laugh riot, but they need to keep up the charm Jan 6 was D-Day or something

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 12:17 PM (2JoB8)

234 Speaking of "science", what ever happened to that Acid Rain that was gonna melt crops, cars and asses?

It seems to have disappeared with the Hare Krishnas dancing thru the airports.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 18, 2021 12:17 PM (R/m4+)

235 Gardening thread is up.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 18, 2021 12:19 PM (kTF2Z)

236 "Anything I order online now, I start elsewhere, and only come back to Amazon because I can't find it somewhere else."

I do the opposite, check prices and reviews at Amazon, then look to see if I can find it elsewhere, for at least close to the same price (seldom is it less).

Posted by: illiniwek at September 18, 2021 12:19 PM (Cus5s)

237 "Why are we expecting scientists to think and to use reason when the common folk have abandoned it completely?"

Yup. Soundbites have replaced syllogisms. Slogans replaced induction. Social shaming replaced deduction.

Witness the fall of western civ. History of civilizations seems to indicate it was inevitable.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 18, 2021 12:20 PM (qpX6U)

238 Speaking of "science", what ever happened to that Acid Rain that was gonna melt crops, cars and asses?

It seems to have disappeared with the Hare Krishnas dancing thru the airports.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 18, 2021 12:17 PM (R/m4+)

Dunno, but I hear the giant ozone hole is back. Big as Antarctica they tells me.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Keith's Son at September 18, 2021 12:20 PM (x8Wzq)

239 Toward the end of the Roman Empire, shortly after Commodus died, the power struggle over who would run a flailing, withering empire ensued: would it be the Roman Legions' commanders, the Senate, the wealthy Elite? It was all up for sale to the highest bidder and strongest suitor...necessarily chaos ensued.

We seem as a country at that point...a power vacuum in the executive branch has set off a struggle over who will run the US...will it be the IC? The DOD? The DOJ and their FBI Stasi? The DNC will align itself with the winner of course, to hang onto a worthless and feckless political position...

Posted by: Boswell at September 18, 2021 12:21 PM (5iUNf)

240 A few weeks back, we received a flurry of emails and texts from family and friends pressuring us to get the shots. Not a single one came anywhere near the considerations upon which we made our decision.

Sample attempts at "persuasion":

You're gonna die
Other people are gonna die
A Republican politician is urging people to get the shots
I'm so worried about you
People who don't get shots just have needle-phobia
If you're ashamed to get the shots, just wear a disguise

Not one of these people will accept that we are already immune and the shots carry a greater risk for us (any anyone exposed to our germs) than not getting the shots. Because science.

Posted by: Emmie at September 18, 2021 12:21 PM (6RgRK)

241 We're being governed by a cargo cult.
Posted by: aelfheld at September 18, 2021 10:38 AM (Zy9Yy)

What is a cargo cult?

Posted by: Clutch at September 18, 2021 12:21 PM (9UmRs)

242 My own personal vaccine hesitancy basically comes down to:
-It's not clear yet how effective it is against C19 and variants
-It's not clear yet whether there are longer term side effects that appear after a year or so, e.g. defective babies or permanent conditions
-It's not clear yet how it would affect my ability to get a later, more effective vaccine
-It's not clear yet whether I've already had it and gained natural immunity (admittedly, this one's actually answerable--just need to make time to get that antibody test)

But those concerns are obviously far too empirical for the new superstition to handle--and I do love that quote, because "superstition disguised as morality" does absolutely describe the 21st century experience.

Posted by: CppThis at September 18, 2021 12:22 PM (UewuT)

243 To Costco or not to Costco, that is the question. I don't need anything, but a part of me thinks I should take advantage of this cold, rainy day and fire up the pressure canner. I could see if Costco has some (relatively) cheap meat I could preserve.

Posted by: PabloD at September 18, 2021 12:23 PM (uwwPK)

244 And she STILL recommends that everyone get the jab!...What is wrong with people?????

The public has been sold a toxic bill of goods. It's 24x7 jab propaganda. I think some people are slowly coming around, questioning the message. All based on inducing fear and pointing fingers at those who will not comply. If what we are witnessing doesn't scare the crap out of you, I don't know hat else to say.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 18, 2021 12:23 PM (Xrfse)

245 Dad always said Oct. was bad for the stock market.

Posted by: Infidel at September 18, 2021 12:24 PM (Kx3kq)

246 Never has so much been missing.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 18, 2021 10:56 AM (OCTRt)

When nearly all food is missing, the "elites" need to lay low.

Posted by: Clutch at September 18, 2021 12:24 PM (9UmRs)

247 240 A few weeks back, we received a flurry of emails and texts from family and friends pressuring us to get the shots. Not a single one came anywhere near the considerations upon which we made our decision.
Posted by: Emmie at September 18, 2021 12:21 PM (6RgRK)

I am really sorry. That is horrible.

Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 12:24 PM (Zsfob)

248 "What is a cargo cult?"

A ship founders. Its cargo washes ashore a primitively-peopled island. The inhabitant find hairbrushes, George Foreman grills, etc. They regard them as holy talismen and form a religion around them.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 18, 2021 12:24 PM (qpX6U)

249 I think some focused kinetic action on the media would resolve a lot of issues once and for all.

I can't think of a less fruitful approach. Resolves none of the underlying problems while making martyrs of a class that has unlimited time to spend mourning its saints.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 18, 2021 12:25 PM (QU5/8)

250 Yes, there's definitely a cargo cult aspect to all this. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to offer my daily prayer to the mighty John Frum, that he may provide for me of his infinite bounty. My priest has the coconut ears headdress and everything!

Posted by: CppThis at September 18, 2021 12:25 PM (UewuT)

251 We're being governed by a cargo cult.
Posted by: aelfheld at September 18, 2021 10:38 AM (Zy9Yy)

What is a cargo cult?
Posted by: Clutch at September 18, 2021 12:21 PM (9UmRs)

Right now it's the USC football team. Their charter landed in Lewiston ID for their game today with Washington State (Go Cougs) and while unloading the cargo guys screwed up. Plane flopped back on its tail.
Trying to get the picture now.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 12:26 PM (axyOa)

252 "What is a cargo cult?"

Marketers create demand for bling, create it and sell it as overseas container cargo. Bling-worshipping cults in the USA covet the cargo, steal it, rob it, and shoot each other over it.

Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 18, 2021 12:27 PM (qpX6U)

253 I wish there was a vaccine I could take. But I haven't been sick and don't want the risks of the current vaccines. So I build my immune system and try to wait it out.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at September 18, 2021 12:28 PM (YynYJ)

254 A ship founders. Its cargo washes ashore a primitively-peopled island. The inhabitant find hairbrushes, George Foreman grills, etc. They regard them as holy talismen and form a religion around them.
Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 18, 2021 12:24 PM (qpX6U)

Didn't some natives on a Pacific island still do some kind of dance or sing song to get the US military planes to return to the island and replenish their goodies?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 18, 2021 12:28 PM (R/m4+)

255 Cargo cultism is interesting, from an epistemological standpoint. It derives from our understanding of places like Melanesia after their first wartime contacts with Americans.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 18, 2021 12:30 PM (FvCkv)

256 Fucking bill Gateis putting microchips in the dewormer

Posted by: Kurt at September 18, 2021 12:30 PM (8N+UE)

257 Reading Roman history seems a massive undertaking in itself so never attempted it.

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 12:31 PM (2JoB8)

258 A cargo cult is an indigenist millenarian belief system in which adherents perform rituals which they believe will cause a more technologically advanced society to deliver goods. These cults were first described in Melanesia in the wake of contact with allied military forces during the Second World War.

Isolated and pre-industrial island cultures that were lacking technology found soldiers and supplies arriving in large numbers, often by airdrop. The soldiers would trade with the islanders. After the war, the soldiers departed. Cargo cults arose, attempting to imitate the behaviors of the soldiers, thinking that this would cause the soldiers and their cargo to return. Some cult behaviors involved mimicking the day-to-day activities and dress styles of soldiers, such as performing parade ground drills with wooden or salvaged rifles. You may now continue.

Posted by: @SOEarpiece at September 18, 2021 12:31 PM (6RVJj)

259 just need to make time to get that antibody test

How reliable are those? I ask because the Covid tests themselves sure haven't been.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 18, 2021 12:32 PM (QU5/8)

260 USCs aircraft in Lewiston ID.

https://tinyurl.com/y6txnnxz

Cargo cult fail.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 12:32 PM (axyOa)

261 rally

Stephen L. Miller
@redsteeze
1m
200 journalists for an event that lasted 30 minutes and only a 100 or so attendees.

Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 12:34 PM (Zsfob)

262 I never have anything nice planned for the weekend. Everything here is locked down and miserable.

Posted by: InCali at September 18, 2021 12:34 PM (ov5G+)

263 I was good and sick for a few weeks a few weeks ago. Didn't bother getting an antibody test because whether I've had it or not seems to bear no relation to whether Nazis insist I wear a mask, distance, or get vaccinated. There's no point in being logical and scientific when logic and science achieve nothing and play no role in public policy.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 18, 2021 12:35 PM (QU5/8)

264 rally

Danielle Kurtzleben
@titonka
6m
More cops have rolled in in riot gear. Most are behind fencing in front of rally. Perhaps just encouraging people to leave . . . event is over but some of crowd is hanging around.

Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 12:35 PM (Zsfob)

265 To me, a really interesting example of something very similar to cargo cultism happened in Papua New Guinea. The warrior tribesmen came to revere The Phantom comic book, for fairly obvious reasons. He was used as a totem for their chieftains there for like half a century or more.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 18, 2021 12:36 PM (FvCkv)

266 Uncle Kurt, grampa says you are a scary, dumb douchebag. And that's saying something.

Posted by: Arkansas Biden Baby at September 18, 2021 12:36 PM (Xrfse)

267 The rally lasted half an hour.

Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 12:36 PM (Zsfob)

268 Right now it's the USC football team. Their charter landed in Lewiston ID for their game today with Washington State (Go Cougs) and while unloading the cargo guys screwed up. Plane flopped back on its tail.
Trying to get the picture now.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2021 12:26 PM (axyOa)

Sounds about right. I blame Helton.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at September 18, 2021 12:36 PM (uhPTO)

269 USCs aircraft in Lewiston ID.

https://tinyurl.com/y6txnnxz
"According to sources, half the team was still on board when the incident occurred."/i]

I think I know which half!

Posted by: t-bird at September 18, 2021 12:39 PM (pbStR)

270 aartgg..

Posted by: t-bird at September 18, 2021 12:40 PM (pbStR)

271
200 journalists for an event that lasted 30 minutes and only a 100 or so attendees.
Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 12:34 PM (Zsfob)

Lol. What an image. Those ralliers know how gorillas at the zoo feel, now.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 18, 2021 12:41 PM (FvCkv)

272 Heh. Reuters headline: LIVE: Supporters of Jan. 6 assault rally outside the Capitol

Is an assault rally like an assault rifle?

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at September 18, 2021 12:42 PM (u1eUk)

273 200 journalists for an event that lasted 30 minutes and only a 100 or so attendees.
Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 12:34 PM (Zsfob)

Lol. What an image. Those ralliers know how gorillas at the zoo feel, now.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 18, 2021 12:41 PM (FvCkv)

And how many of the 'attendees' were FBI plants or informants?

Bet it looked like an FIB convention.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 18, 2021 12:42 PM (oHd/0)

274 200 journalists for an event that lasted 30 minutes and only a 100 or so attendees.

Hey, at least we get time-and-a-half.

Posted by: 100 or so FBI agents at September 18, 2021 12:43 PM (8eSmR)

275 Aw, man. I rented a pickup truck and everything.

Posted by: Totally a "Supporter of the Jan 6th Assault" at September 18, 2021 12:46 PM (8eSmR)

276 https://amgreatness.com/2021/09/17/
joe-bidens-political-prisoners/

The patriot Julie Kelly

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 12:49 PM (2JoB8)

277 That then fenced of Capital Hill Is a laugh riot, but they need to keep up the charm Jan 6 was D-Day or something
Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 12:17 PM (2JoB

Which they have been doing--successfully--since January 7th. The "Insurrection" has been woven onto all types of stories-- from the anniversaries of D-Day and 9/11 to Covid mandates, EVERYTHING, and reinforced daily with cartoons, editorials and letters-to-the -editors.

Just yesterday my local USA-Today owned rag published a letter damning the Trump for Biden's hasty withdrawal, and pointed out that the letter writer had been a registered Republican---until January 7th.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 18, 2021 12:50 PM (mR6Gs)

278 And how many of the 'attendees' were FBI plants or informants?

Bet it looked like an FIB convention.
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 18, 2021 12:42 PM (oHd/0)

--------

Seriously. I'm sure every rookie Special Agent from the field offices had to burn a weekend of beating women during their cuck parties to attend this thing.

Posted by: Special Agent Trask at September 18, 2021 12:50 PM (FvCkv)

279 "survey I took this week seems to reflect the idea that "science" really has little to do with the "scientific method". It gave me the idea that science should be treated like a religion."

My quest is to find Truth in both Christianity and Science. I would redefine "religion" as what man has constructed around "True Christianity" (perhaps the same for Judaism, given the recent talk here of how Jewish teachings are being subverted with Wokeness).

Truth will/should reveal science and God are in harmony. For me, God had/has to explain things to man based on man's framework at the time. I can therefore accept a world and man that existed long before Adam and Eve. God is allowed "hyperbole", figures of speech to communicate to man's limited perceptions.

God's Word is still my "point of First Contact" with the Divine, and the guidebook. But Independent thinking must be applied to Christianity and Science ... man must think/reason for himself -- or he may get stuck in some worldly "Trust the Science" cult or religion.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 18, 2021 12:50 PM (Cus5s)

280 Going to head to used book store, see if can't find something

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 12:51 PM (2JoB8)

281 The government and the media have shown their asses once again, just like they did on Jan. 6th. Drama! Hysteria! Bring in the National Guard! If those crazy white-wingers were really on the warpath, they would have bused all of the Haitians into DC.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at September 18, 2021 12:52 PM (sXQci)

282 Danielle Kurtzleben
@titonka
6m
More cops have rolled in in riot gear. Most are behind fencing in front of rally. Perhaps just encouraging people to leave . . . event is over but some of crowd is hanging around.
Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 12:35 PM (Zsfob)

The authoritahs are hoping the crowd won't disperse.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 18, 2021 12:52 PM (mR6Gs)

283 I have no idea but I'm not sure the Proud boys and the Oath Keepers are a net positive
Posted by: REDACTED

Are you insinuating that FBI Study Group A and FBI Study Group B aren't on the level????

You monster.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 18, 2021 12:53 PM (1t5dY)

284 The FIRST story I saw that pushed for the idea that January 6th was so dangerous and historic that it should be taught in school appeared.....on January 7th

Posted by: JoeF. at September 18, 2021 12:55 PM (mR6Gs)

285 I have no idea but I'm not sure the Proud boys and the Oath Keepers are a net positive
Posted by: REDACTED

Proud Boys sounds like a Gay Men's Glee Club.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 18, 2021 12:56 PM (mR6Gs)

286 USCs aircraft in Lewiston ID.

https://tinyurl.com/y6txnnxz

Cargo cult fail.
Posted by: Diogenes

Well, they just got a new coach, so give 'em a sec.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 18, 2021 01:01 PM (1t5dY)

287 The patriot Julie Kelly

Yep. Dissent will not be tolerated. The rule of law is mort.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 18, 2021 01:05 PM (Xrfse)

288 Breitbart doesn't seem to be reporting the DC rally.

Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 01:05 PM (Zsfob)

289 286 USCs aircraft in Lewiston ID.
https://tinyurl.com/y6txnnxz
Cargo cult fail.
Posted by: Diogenes

Well, they just got a new coach, so give 'em a sec.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 18, 2021 01:01 PM (1t5dY)

I've flown on near-empty flights on Southwest 737-700's and -800's, and couldn't believe it when the cabin crew moved many of the people seated behind the wing to ahead of it, telling us it was for balance reasons. Now I understand.

Posted by: Gref at September 18, 2021 01:06 PM (AMIL/)

290 Sorry, I know I keep joking about it too much, but Trask is my favorite Government News story since Nadler shit his pants on TV. Some things are just too on the nose.

A crooked, roid-raging, closeted homosexual spy who fabricated a ridiculous kidnapping gets locked up for chimping out on his wife after a cuck party gone wrong.

I mean, c'mon, right? That's so FBI it's practically unreal. If I write and FBI procedural, Trask is my Inspector Lewis Erskine.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 18, 2021 01:07 PM (FvCkv)

291 Proud Boys and Oath Keepers I heard seemed like legit good guys. But they became a target of FBI/CIA that hates strong Americans resisting the coup.

iirc the two (?) PB is Seattle maybe, got prison for daring to fight back. Oath Keepers were maybe infiltrated ... idk. One Oath Keeper that was there said someone was trying to talk him into going inside ... he said "nope, not going in there". It is probably FBI assets trying to entrap .. as in the Michigan fiasco.

Kyle Rittenhouse another example .. video of them chasing him down, after attacking him, at least one guy was pulling a gun on him ... none of that matters to The Cabal.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 18, 2021 01:08 PM (Cus5s)

292 Breitbart has a story on "Police Prep for Protest" and "Roger Stone Warns to 'Stay Away'" but nothing today, I don't think.

Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 01:09 PM (Zsfob)

293 290 Sorry, I know I keep joking about it too much, but Trask is my favorite Government News story since Nadler shit his pants on TV. Some things are just too on the nose.

A crooked, roid-raging, closeted homosexual spy who fabricated a ridiculous kidnapping gets locked up for chimping out on his wife after a cuck party gone wrong.

I mean, c'mon, right? That's so FBI it's practically unreal. If I write and FBI procedural, Trask is my Inspector Lewis Erskine.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 18, 2021 01:07 PM (FvCkv)

I had missed that story.
Daily Beast writeup here.
https://tinyurl.com/esj2hjep

Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 01:14 PM (Zsfob)

294 I haven't gotten the vax or even worn a mask since this all started. It's because I know it has absolutely nothing to do with science or medicine. It's a political op, people. Trying to find a sciency answer or argument about it just means that you've bought into the leftist think-trap hook, line, and sinker.

It's no wonder they're able to create such chaos.

Posted by: Justsayin' at September 18, 2021 01:25 PM (Fs5vw)

295 The lies are all agitprop, to bully people to submit to the expansion of government. The good news is more people are becoming skeptical, but the bad news is that allows politicians to preach to the choir to gain marginally more votes in an evenly split electorate. Winning one or two election cycles will not change our long-term decline when only one side is constrained by the Constitution. Make politicians address the need to change the paradigm by taking a stance on vouchers, term limited government employment, STEM only 4-year education subsidies, etc.

Posted by: Larry Dressler at September 18, 2021 01:26 PM (W0MsY)

296 fBI trolls this blog.

It's the only real education that they got.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 18, 2021 01:27 PM (T1fV4)

297 Someone missed a great opportunity. Set up near the fence at the Capitol. When all the cameras are on you:

Now that we're all here, let me tell you about the benefits of Amway.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 18, 2021 01:28 PM (kTF2Z)

298 I had missed that story.
Daily Beast writeup here.
https://tinyurl.com/esj2hjep
Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 01:14 PM (Zsfob)

Holy crap. I hadn't heard the part where she saved her own life by attempting to rip this crooked fag spy's dick off. Amazing. If I weren't spoken for, I'd be seeking to console her.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 18, 2021 01:28 PM (FvCkv)

299 On a similar theme, over in the gardening thread:

48 My daughter sent me a picture of a female garden spider while I was gone. She's a pretty yellow and black and is pretty big. There is now a large egg sac attached to the house. A male showed up a few days ago and she ate him.
Posted by: Jewells45 at September 18, 2021 01:26 PM (nxdel)

Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 01:35 PM (Zsfob)

300 300!

Posted by: m at September 18, 2021 01:35 PM (Zsfob)

301 Amazing. If I weren't spoken for, I'd be seeking to console her.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 18, 2021 01:28 PM (FvCkv)

------------

One would think the dick tearing off part might be a bit of a deterrent to the consoling.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 18, 2021 01:37 PM (kTF2Z)

302 A lot of people comment here to troll the FBI. Not me though.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 18, 2021 01:41 PM (EZebt)

303 Good point on Amway, but I would set up my Larry Elder for President table! If MAGA will address the needs of the underclass we will change the electoral split and destroy the left.

Posted by: Larry Dressler at September 18, 2021 01:41 PM (W0MsY)

304 Who flooded the market with foreign human infrastructures?

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 18, 2021 01:48 PM (T1fV4)

305 How did Prince Harry end up on the cover of Time Magazine with Fabio?

Posted by: Dr. Bone at September 18, 2021 01:48 PM (sXQci)

306 Science is difficult to understand and slightly frightening for people, and the general public is very religious, even if they pretend they are not. So its easier to turn science into a cult or religion where you don't understand the language or what is being done but trust the acolytes and spokesmen as being true and good.

Kind of like medieval Roman Catholicism which was done in latin using rituals explained only to the priests, with a Bible people were forbidden to read. Just trust us, we know what we're doing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 18, 2021 01:51 PM (KZzsI)

307 Fabio. Fabio. Where art thou.. brother.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 18, 2021 01:52 PM (T1fV4)

308 Sample attempts at "persuasion":

You're gonna die
Other people are gonna die
A Republican politician is urging people to get the shots
I'm so worried about you
People who don't get shots just have needle-phobia
If you're ashamed to get the shots, just wear a disguise
...
Posted by: Emmie at September 18, 2021 12:21 PM (6RgRK)

===
This is a very good synopsis of leftist thought. Devoid of reasoning, surface appeals to base emotion, veiled threats.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 18, 2021 01:53 PM (EZebt)

309 Back from used book store, sadly masks required so I indulged them.

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 01:58 PM (2JoB8)

310
Isolated and pre-industrial island cultures that were lacking technology found soldiers and supplies arriving in large numbers, often by airdrop. The soldiers would trade with the islanders. After the war, the soldiers departed. Cargo cults arose, attempting to imitate the behaviors of the soldiers, thinking that this would cause the soldiers and their cargo to return. Posted by: @SOEarpiece at September 18, 2021 12:31 PM (6RVJj)

There is a couple additional elements: the supplies provided by the troops was so advanced it seemed miraculous, and when asked how to replicate it the troops couldn't explain it, the theory was made that it was actually supernatural.
The second element was the belief that the goods, the "cargo" would return only if the correct conditions were recreated for it to arrive, so the cultists went to airfields, uniforms, drill and so on to "create the world in which the good things can find a home and return to"
this is pretty much what millennial Christian groups, social engineers, Marxists, and environmentalists are all trying to do as well. Create the conditions to allow the return of the Garden

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2021 01:59 PM (ssx3L)

311 Excuses are a dime a dozen. The threats are media and self conditioning.

Kinda like a 1/2 cocked gun.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 18, 2021 01:59 PM (T1fV4)

312 Nood pets

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 18, 2021 02:01 PM (kTF2Z)

313 And so starts the quiet time of AoSHq.

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 02:06 PM (2JoB8)

314 Drew Holden:

I hope the dozens of attendees from today's Justice for J6 rally make it safely back to their desks at the FBI.

Posted by: KT at September 18, 2021 02:07 PM (0ghg2)

315 Ha ha

Flashbang + dick glitter.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 18, 2021 02:08 PM (T1fV4)

316 Here is my flashbang made for the deaf and blind.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 18, 2021 02:10 PM (T1fV4)

317 I do hope the FBI or the equivalent of the 7 days of the Condor at the CIA who read websites learn something here

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2021 02:16 PM (2JoB8)

318
Yea, Alabama!
Drown 'em Tide!
Every 'Bama man's behind you;
Hit your stride!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 18, 2021 02:18 PM (6RVJj)

319 Flashbang + dick glitter.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 18, 2021 02:08 PM (T1fV4)

Ah, the legendary, officially unreleased Rolling Stones album from 1973
I had a copy on vinyl back in the '80's.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 18, 2021 02:19 PM (mR6Gs)

320 ""If you can smell my fart through your mask, you're already infected with covid." --Exactly. That right there should end the debate."

What size are fart particles, and what does that have to do with the size of aerosols and spittle carrying Covid?

But imo masks are unhealthy for many other reasons. Refusing to comply may be the best reason not to wear them.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 18, 2021 02:21 PM (Cus5s)

321 I hope the dozens of attendees from today's Justice for J6 rally make it safely back to their desks at the FBI.

Saw some hilarious pictures from there. Guys in costume, some wearing exactly the same outfits, some wearing dress socks with shorts, several pics of guys with a conspicuous gun-like bulge in their pockets. What a joke.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 18, 2021 02:25 PM (KZzsI)

322 Kind of like medieval Roman Catholicism which was done in latin using rituals explained only to the priests, with a Bible people were forbidden to read. Just trust us, we know what we're doing.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 18, 2021 01:51 PM (KZzsI)

True, but the vast majority couldn't have read the Bible anyway.
Also, on the plus side, everyone was so visually oriented that they could explain the scenes in painting and identify statues of the Saints by visual clues--their regalia and items associated with particular saints--staffs, swords, animals, etc.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 18, 2021 02:26 PM (mR6Gs)

323 Saw some hilarious pictures from there. Guys in costume, some wearing exactly the same outfits, some wearing dress socks with shorts, several pics of guys with a conspicuous gun-like bulge in their pockets. What a joke.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 18, 2021 02:25 PM (KZzsI)

Any agents walk past a camera carrying a Confederate Flag, brand new, and never previously unfurled?

Posted by: JoeF. at September 18, 2021 02:29 PM (mR6Gs)

324 Gary Larson cartoon about The Vaccination Man, in an Ice Cream Man van ... 1987

https://tinyurl.com/7bptwcc3

Posted by: illiniwek at September 18, 2021 02:29 PM (Cus5s)

325 Any agents walk past a camera carrying a Confederate Flag, brand new, and never previously unfurled?
Posted by: JoeF.

They made a new buffalo-hat-guy:

twitter.com/2WEEEKS/status/1439292379509317639

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 18, 2021 02:38 PM (1t5dY)

326 Any agents walk past a camera carrying a Confederate Flag, brand new, and never previously unfurled?
Posted by: JoeF. at September 18, 2021 02:29 PM (mR6Gs)

"Hello, fellow insurrectionists!"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 18, 2021 02:48 PM (6FeV1)

327 Any agents walk past a camera carrying a Confederate Flag, brand new, and never previously unfurled?

Big fold marks in the flag, price tag danging loff like Minnie Pearl

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 18, 2021 02:56 PM (KZzsI)

328 If you see a dirty street person with a perfect Burt Reynolds mustache....then you gott a glowie.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 18, 2021 03:10 PM (T1fV4)

329 I guess they tried to arrest an undercover FBI agent at the Capitol rally. Heh.

Babylon Bee: "The Federal Bureau of Investigation is disappointed by the low attendance at the D.C. rally they organized for Trump supporters today.

In spite of the FBI's best efforts to lure a bunch of angry MAGA insurrectionists to the Capitol this weekend, only a few hundred FBI agents dressed as MAGA insurrectionists showed up.

"Ivermectin! Get your hot, fresh Ivermectin HEEEERRRRE!" cried one agent selling bootleg Ivermectin tablets from Tractor Supply Company. Unfortunately, he only made a couple of sales to a few other FBI agents from other field offices he didn't recognize."

Posted by: KT at September 18, 2021 07:47 PM (0ghg2)

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