If Gen. Milley Were A Traitor, What Would He Have Done Differently?

General Mark Milley is the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the highest ranking military officer in the United States. As the debacle of the US withdrawal from Afghanistan now morphs into a hostage crisis for the Americans left behind, it’s fair for those of us who love our country and support our troops to ask this question: If General Mark Milley were a traitor to our country, what – if anything – would he have done differently?

The most famous traitor in American history was Benedict Arnold. His treasonous act during the Revolutionary War was his attempted surrender of the military fort at West Point to the British. Fortunately, his efforts were not successful. By contrast, General Milley ensured that Bagram Air Force Base fell into enemy hands by simply abandoning it in the middle of the night, without even handing it over to our putative Afghan allies, and while thousands of Americans were still in Kabul.

He then moved evacuation efforts to a poorly secured commercial airport not designed for military use. Milley was passionate about Bagram’s closing although he could never articulate why it must be closed.

While testifying to Congress in June he stated, “So, a couple of quick comments here. On Bagram, it’s not necessary tactically, operationally, for what we’re gonna try to do here with Afghanistan. Consolidate on Kabul, with, in support of their government.” That was simply not true. Bagram was critically needed both tactically and operationally, even more so because everyone knew the Afghan government would fall sooner or later - most likely sooner. Yet General Milley desperately wanted us not to have Bagram when we needed it most.

You know what Benedict Arnold didn’t do? He didn’t give billions of dollars of military equipment to the British. But that is exactly what Gen. Milley gave to the Taliban. He handed the Taliban over 64,000 Humvees and other vehicles, plus almost 500,000 guns! If an enlisted man loses his gun while on patrol, the men in his platoon might have to risk their lives to go find that one gun so it doesn’t end up in enemy hands. Yet the arsenal below is what General Milley chose not to remove from theater, allowing it instead to become property of the Taliban.

Talibans New Arsenal.JPG

My wife noted in disgust the incompetence of our military leadership in not being able to remove the aircraft, when they had several months to simply fly the aircraft out. She’s actually being charitable in assuming that Milley and the brass wanted to remove the aircraft, hindered only by their own incompetence. It’s just my observation and opinion, but turning over as much military equipment as possible to the Taliban almost seemed to be part of the mission.

Per a recent USA Today article, “Marine Gen. Kenneth McKenzie, head of U.S. Central Command, said some of the equipment had been ‘demilitarized,’ essentially rendered inoperable” and per a Defense consultant named Loren Thompson, "The helicopters are the most expensive item, but the ability of the Taliban to operate and maintain them without outside help is modest."

No one seems to know how much of the equipment in the chart above was decommissioned, but just this week the Taliban appeared to put at least one of those Blackhawks to use as a flying gallows.

Blackhawk Hanging Taliban enemy.JPG

And how about all those “decommissioned” military vehicles the Taliban is driving in their victory parade?

Taliban Victory Parade.JPG

If a General wanted to sabotage the effectiveness of his fighting force, what else might he do? Perhaps try to divide his troops into hostile sub-groups?

Gen. Milley is leading the charge on Critical Race Theory, pushing the troops to explore the idea that the United States is an illegitimate country, plagued with systemic racism and “white rage.” He seemingly wants white troops to confess their racism and profess shame for their skin color while teaching minority troops that they are all victims, and that their fellow white troops are actually their oppressors. Yeah, that’ll further the esprit de corps necessary for the troops to fight as one unit. Fortunately, the troops are much better Americans than General Milley is. Despite his efforts to divide and demoralize our troops, they remain unified and they are the pride of US citizens.

Speaking of Gen. Milley’s efforts to demoralize the troops, why would he condone Drag Queen Shows for young, testosterone-filled men? Maybe General Milley is simply trying to groom those young men to fulfill a fetish of his. Alternatively, compelling young fighting men to engage in cross-dressing and teaching them that drag queen shows are part of the military lifestyle could be an effective way to take the military spirit out of them.

I don’t know what has made General Milley choose to aggressively sabotage our military while at the same time provide our enemy with a mind-boggling arsenal. Incompetence is his best defense. But if the intent was to aid and abet the enemy while sabotaging the military operation he led, there could not be a better playbook than the one that General Milley followed.

Whether for incompetence or for betraying his country, a court martial is warranted.

(buck.throckmorton at protonmail.com)

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 02:56 PM

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1

Bank accounts need checking with these scumbags.

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at September 03, 2021 01:58 PM (PsxA/)

2 Milley needs to be court-martialed and then hung.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 03, 2021 01:58 PM (TRbTH)

3 Piss on Milli Vanilli.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2021 01:58 PM (OCTRt)

4 That only ONE Brave Lt. Colonel has RESIGNED over this, tells you all you need to know about the current state of the military.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 03, 2021 01:58 PM (oHd/0)

5 How much of that equipment is already in CHYna and how much will end up there?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 03, 2021 01:58 PM (ACi07)

6 Milley needs to be court-martialed and then hung.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron

Helicopter tour of DC

Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2021 01:58 PM (OCTRt)

7 He's a worthless fat fuck who should have been the one swinging from a Blackhawk.

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at September 03, 2021 01:58 PM (II3Gr)

8 Can't do this one. Will be banned.

Posted by: Infidel at September 03, 2021 01:59 PM (Kx3kq)

9 All these duplicitous people are being paid by various
people.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 03, 2021 01:59 PM (AJzTi)

10 Milley needs to be court-martialed and then hung.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 03, 2021 01:58 PM (TRbTH)

Does it have to be in that exact order?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at September 03, 2021 01:59 PM (cSyAR)

11 Hey if I was a traitor would I have sucked all these red white and blue American dicks this week?

Posted by: Gen White Feather Milley at September 03, 2021 01:59 PM (DpkTQ)

12 Good post

Milley was in the briefings with Trump, Kash Patel and others when over and over they were told the afghan intelligence showed Kabul would fall quickly- Trump predicted 2 days based on that intelligence..

Milley knew all of this and lied about it -to us, the press, and who knows who else.

Posted by: LASue at September 03, 2021 01:59 PM (Ed8Zd)

13 All these duplicitous people are being paid by various Chinese and Russian people.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Fixed it.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2021 02:00 PM (OCTRt)

14 Hung and then court martialed.

Posted by: Bosk at September 03, 2021 02:00 PM (x6uUk)

15
He'd give Amerika a reach around?

Posted by: Winken Blinken and ZOD at September 03, 2021 02:00 PM (j1YAY)

16 That the Milley/Austin combo is still employed is especially aggravating.

Show some self-respect. Throw yourself into retirement. Or exile. Just go away.

Then, we need to focus on the most dangerous, most awful people in the junta, those being Sullivan, Blinken, and their assorted toadies (especially those currently busy surrendering to Iran).

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 03, 2021 02:01 PM (ggASZ)

17 Remember the FNM is still telling LIVs that it is a lie that the Taliban got a massive amount of equipment from us

Posted by: 18-1 at September 03, 2021 02:01 PM (DpkTQ)

18 Funny thing... Drag Queen shows are now AOK! But a few years back they made the Wog Queen for Shellback Initiations verboten. Wog Queen, for those who don't know, was a beauty Pageant where young sailors dressed up as Women, and they got to Hang out with Poseiden thus missing other Hazing.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 03, 2021 02:01 PM (oHd/0)

19 Is Milley serving China, or "DeepState" ... or what group of criminal oligarchs is calling the shots (or often, calling the stand down and surrender)?

Posted by: illiniwek at September 03, 2021 02:01 PM (Cus5s)

20 Taliban Poetry:

Once there was a man named Milley
And then I keeeeeel you

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 03, 2021 02:02 PM (GQ5VU)

21 You know, if you read about the beginnings of the first civil war the democrats prepared for it militarily with US commanders that "accidentally" moved supplies and weapons away from assigned destinations to those which would be more advantageous for them. Grant wrote a lot about the logistics involved and how you could see a war was coming. Lots of coordinated accidents.

Posted by: banana Dream at September 03, 2021 02:02 PM (2xiYd)

22 I think yo have to draw the line between incompetence and treason.

Milley didn't do this to assist our enemies and harm the US, he did it because he's a freaking idiot and handled everything wrong at the behest of greater fools who wanted everything done this way.

They didn't go "we need to help the Taliban, lets screw all this stuff up so they win and we lose!"

They are idiots filled with self-righteous absolute arrogance acting like a bunch of independent rivals forced to work together who wanted a big win. They thought they could get the best win ever for Biden and lock in Democrats for eternity in office by working out deals with the Taliban, who they genuinely think are oppressed others who can be trusted and believe their lies.

They wanted to get out as fast as possible, but have zero experience with logistics, no wisdom whatsoever, and a near-total lack of common sense. They're fools who think we've been evil for fighting the poor oppressed non-whites who only do these terrible things because they act out in anger in response to our cruelty and oppression.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:02 PM (KZzsI)

23 I think we need to start calling him General Millie Vanilli...

Because like they were fake musicians, he's a fake General.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 03, 2021 02:02 PM (oHd/0)

24 Look, I bought the world a coke, and a few black hawks, to bring peace.

What more do you people want?

Posted by: Gen White Feather Milley at September 03, 2021 02:03 PM (DpkTQ)

25
Helicopter tour of DC
Posted by: rickb223

We'd need a fleet and they left them to the Tolly-Bon...

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 03, 2021 02:03 PM (TRbTH)

26 They turn the entire military into wokesters we are in trouble.

Posted by: Skip at September 03, 2021 02:04 PM (2JoB8)

27 I think yo have to draw the line between incompetence and treason.

Milley didn't do this to assist our enemies and harm the US, he did it because he's a freaking idiot and handled everything wrong at the behest of greater fools who wanted everything done this way.

I don't care about intentions. I care about results. He armed our enemies.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2021 02:04 PM (OCTRt)

28 (1/2)
I can think of a way this isn't treason. All of this must be true.
1. Milley and company (M&C) thought with good reason based on confirmed intelligence that the Afghan army would hold up for a reasonable period of time (months or longer)
2. M&C could not secure Bagram, making it better to abandon the facility than try to hold it with an inadequate force.
3. M&C concluded, reasonably and with confirmed intelligence, that augmenting strength to hold Bagram was unnecessary.
4. M&C had reasonable, intelligence-confirmed expectations that the equipment being left behind was for the Afghan army (a putative ally) and would be used in defense of the formal government against the Taliban

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 03, 2021 02:04 PM (3p5uk)

29 Meh. I know "treason" now has been redefined to be any kind of stupidity or failure that comes along, but that's just stupid.

But the medieval peasant thing is dominant here, and no point in opposing it.

Remember, if it's not "treason" then it's $$$$, or "Soros!", or - well, no, that's ZeroHedge comments section - "the joooos!!".

Incompetence, bad judgement, low character, the things that actually produce disastrous policies when it comes to operational questions (most of the time), those simply aren't relevant concepts.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at September 03, 2021 02:04 PM (OTzUX)

30 (2/2)
5. M&C had reasonable, evidence-based expectations that US equipment could be operated and maintained by the Afghan army
6. M&C had reasonable, intelligence-backed expectations that HKIA could continue operations and be held successfully.
7. M&C had confirmation from the State Department that all those who needed to get out of Afghanistan had been counted, were known, were informed and were making their way to evacuation points.

If *all* of those are true, I would have trouble considering this as treason.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 03, 2021 02:04 PM (3p5uk)

31
Hey, Milley... news flash, you're white.

Posted by: wth at September 03, 2021 02:05 PM (v0R5T)

32 Posted by: Romeo13 at September 03, 2021 02:01 PM (oHd/0)

Somewhere in my house I have a picture of my dad running a gauntlet wearing a diaper on deck.

Posted by: Bosk at September 03, 2021 02:05 PM (x6uUk)

33 Hanging, drawing and quartering. On every TV in the Pentagon.

Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six!(ptqGC) at September 03, 2021 02:05 PM (ptqGC)

34 You have to remember that the left does not think things through the way we do, and start from completely different assumptions and presuppositions than you or I. Yes, if you or I had done this stuff, it would be treason, because we not only would know better, but would have had to do it on purpose to get these results.

Leftists are not like that. They are largely unaware of basic human nature, believe things that are wholly irrational and without basis in history. They start with assumptions about humanity, life, and the world which are utterly ridiculous and insane. That changes the why and wherefore of what they do.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:05 PM (KZzsI)

35 Is Milley serving China, or "DeepState" ... or what group of criminal oligarchs is calling the shots (or often, calling the stand down and surrender)?
Posted by: illiniwek at September 03, 2021 02:01 PM (Cus5s)
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Yes. I just don't know which facet of the shit diamond.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 03, 2021 02:05 PM (3p5uk)

36 Posobiec says the IC is going to be dropping something bigly soon.

Someone's about to get thrown under a bus.

Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six!(ptqGC) at September 03, 2021 02:06 PM (ptqGC)

37 Saw a few references Soldiers did disable some equipment but probably on their own initiative, obviously the administration and brass wanted to turn over all equipment.

Posted by: Skip at September 03, 2021 02:06 PM (2JoB8)

38 >>> 37 Posobiec says the IC is going to be dropping something bigly soon.

Someone's about to get thrown under a bus.
Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six!(ptqGC) at September 03, 2021 02:06 PM (ptqGC)

About time! Those jerks told me I'd be in charge before June.

Posted by: K. Harris at September 03, 2021 02:06 PM (ACi07)

39 I am starting to come around to the "it was deliberate" concept, but it would be foolish at this juncture, I think, to rule out rank incompetence and indifference at a really horrifying systemic scale - and not just in the armed forces, but everywhere.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 03, 2021 02:06 PM (3p5uk)

40 37 Posobiec says the IC is going to be dropping something bigly soon.

Someone's about to get thrown under a bus.

____

That guy is as reliable as Dick Morris poll.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 03, 2021 02:07 PM (GQ5VU)

41 If you've ever argued with or talked to one of these people you discover quickly several things:

1) they reject anything that challenges their worldview or assumptions out of hand without consideration. It simply doesn't exist and you're a freak and conspiracy theorist for even bringing it up.
2) they believe utter nonsense that cannot be supported by reason or experience, because they wish it to be true.
3) they will act based on these two things, so even if they are given good information if it contradicts what they want to be true then they ignore it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:07 PM (KZzsI)

42 Except he was ordered to.

I think this traitor idea needs work. How about a traitorous conspiracy involving the WH, state, and leaders of the military?

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 03, 2021 02:07 PM (XsD6v)

43 Saw a few references Soldiers did disable some equipment but probably on their own initiative, obviously the administration and brass wanted to turn over all equipment.

Posted by: Skip at September 03, 2021 02:06 PM (2JoB

------------

They've got 16,000 pairs of night vision goggles. And Iran is picking up some of the spoils.

Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six!(ptqGC) at September 03, 2021 02:07 PM (ptqGC)

44 Speaking of traitors, any Republicans (ie, virtually every GOPe Senators and many House members) who support Big Tech need to rot in hell. Primary their asses.

Matt Stoller says the FTC wants to break up Facebook, and the two "Republicans" on the committee voted "NO".

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 03, 2021 02:07 PM (ggASZ)

45 You have to remember that the left does not think things through the way we do, and start from completely different assumptions and presuppositions than you or I. Yes, if you or I had done this stuff, it would be treason, because we not only would know better, but would have had to do it on purpose to get these results.

I fully expect a four or five star general to know better.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2021 02:07 PM (OCTRt)

46 Saw a few references Soldiers did disable some equipment but probably on their own initiative

Its not impossible that at least some commanders were smarter than their higher ups. Turning a blind eye to foolish commands has a rich, storied military history.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:08 PM (KZzsI)

47

Vanilli Milley, the JCS and probably a good chunk of the DoD should be shot or hanged for high treason.

Along with Biden who singlehandedly ended 75 years of the Pax Americana. And now for the next 500 years we will have Pox Red China and Islamica.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 03, 2021 02:08 PM (s2VJv)

48 Posobiec says the IC is going to be dropping something bigly soon.

Someone's about to get thrown under a bus.
Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six!(ptqGC) at Sep

Assuming one would believe whatever the IC is spewing.

Posted by: Beartooth at September 03, 2021 02:08 PM (UVMn8)

49
Trump says Milley objected to removing equipment from Afghanistan because it would cost too much. Guess there was no chance for kickbacks in transport.

Posted by: Milley's yellow ribbon at September 03, 2021 02:08 PM (ua1hm)

50 I fully expect a four or five star general to know better.

I'd WANT them to but its painfully obvious that at least Miley does not.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:09 PM (KZzsI)

51 Max von Sydow needs to escort this general, somewhere.

Posted by: Corona at September 03, 2021 02:09 PM (nakGR)

52 >>> 38 Saw a few references Soldiers did disable some equipment but probably on their own initiative, obviously the administration and brass wanted to turn over all equipment.
Posted by: Skip at September 03, 2021 02:06 PM (2JoB

I thought it was here that someone mentioned destroying things you can't take with you is basically a standing order, so someone must have specifically ordered the troops NOT to do it.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 03, 2021 02:09 PM (ACi07)

53 At first I thought that it was gross incompetence. I've quickly changed my mind. I believe he is a true believer against the United States much like Vindman, Comey, Brennan, and so many others. I believe that he is entangled in to the grift and possibly being blackmailed.

Doing a forensic audit of his bank accounts and personal computers would tell a lot.

Posted by: Cheri at September 03, 2021 02:09 PM (oiNtH)

54
If *all* of those are true, I would have trouble considering this as treason.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

An awfully large IF needs to be bolded in your conclusion.
Occam's Razor says: nope.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 03, 2021 02:09 PM (TRbTH)

55 Posobiec says the IC is going to be dropping something bigly soon.

Someone's about to get thrown under a bus.
Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six!(ptqGC) at September 03, 2021 02:06 PM (ptqGC)
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Which part of the IC? Because one good answer to how this isn't treason is, I think, how the government is running. No one is in charge. The politburo is running everything. This works for run-of-the-mill domestic shit, but major events and complex issues and crises crack up committee rule.

The politburo has its members, and those members have networks. Some agencies report to some members, others to others. They all have their own information sources. They have their own gangs. They all give orders to their people. No one has the whole picture, and it's made worse by their infighting and empire building where they obstruct and withhold information from each other.

A-stan also looks like that: like a bunch of different factions all doing their own thing with no coordination and bad information, coming together to form an abject disaster.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 03, 2021 02:09 PM (3p5uk)

56 Thought it was funny last night when Dana Loesch said: "They're calling me Taliban for supporting the Texas abortion law, but I don't have a Blackhawk."

Posted by: wth at September 03, 2021 02:09 PM (v0R5T)

57 It matters not whether it was incompetency or treasonous to me, he should still take a taliban heli ride.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 03, 2021 02:10 PM (r+sAi)

58 I'd WANT them to but its painfully obvious that at least Miley does not.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Then he should be shot for dereliction of duty.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2021 02:10 PM (OCTRt)

59 (( But that is exactly what Gen. Milley gave to the Taliban. ))

_____________________________________

Nope, he didn't give them to the Taliban. He, very purposefully, gave them to the Iranians. Iran has long been the primary financier of the Taliban and remains so to this day. There are already reports of US equipment showing up in Iran.

This was a very purposeful transfer of equipment and "money" to Iran under the table to accommodate for Trump scrapping Obama (and Biden's) transfer to them in Obama's term. Incompetence is easier to perform than getting such an Iran deal through congress or past the American people.

Come on, is anyone dumb enough to think we would leave black hawk helicopters behind?

Posted by: Orson at September 03, 2021 02:10 PM (WHFv3)

60 A-stan also looks like that: like a bunch of different factions all doing their own thing with no coordination and bad information, coming together to form an abject disaster.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 03, 2021 02:09 PM (3p5uk)
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Now: is the politburo system that can result in failures of this magnitude and does not work in the interests of the country itself treasonous? I dunno. It might be. It's certainly illegal.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 03, 2021 02:10 PM (3p5uk)

61 Leftists are not like that. They are largely unaware of basic human nature, believe things that are wholly irrational and without basis in history. They start with assumptions about humanity, life, and the world which are utterly ridiculous and insane. That changes the why and wherefore of what they do.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:05 PM (KZzsI)

Their decisions are principally based on envy, hate and enmity. Everything, get this, they accuse their "enemies" of.

Posted by: ... at September 03, 2021 02:10 PM (Sq5xa)

62 I wish something would happen to these traitors. 20 years ago I would have totally believed evil will not prevail here. Now, I've seen it prevail and am very pessimistic about anyone in the Biden administration getting their comeuppance.

Posted by: IC at September 03, 2021 02:11 PM (hV9ir)

63 And now for the next 500 years we will have Pox Red China and Islamica.

The Islam part at least, that is deliberate. At least part of the goal was to weaken America's what they call "Empire" and strengthen Islamic power.

Why? Not because they are closet Muslims, but because they are absolutely sure that the only reason Muslims do naughty things is out of painful, powerless frustration over how mean the evil white men have treated them over the years, and if only we give them power, they will feel empowered and raise their self esteem so that they are not pushed to carry out such terrible acts.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:11 PM (KZzsI)

64 Whether for incompetence or for betraying his country, a court martial is warranted.

Please embrace the refreshing power of AND

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (VcFUs) - at September 03, 2021 02:11 PM (VcFUs)

65 I don't understand the 64,000 Humvees and trucks. That's like 6 Vehicles for every American soldier in Afghanistan . Were they all for the Afghan Army? Even that would be one vehicle for every 3 Afghan soldiers.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 03, 2021 02:11 PM (2DOZq)

66 I believe in the New Science.

Imani Gandy
@AngryBlackLady
Gentle reminder: it's not only women who need abortions.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at September 03, 2021 02:11 PM (d9FiS)

67 General Milley

What a Charlie Foxtrot.

Posted by: Joe Mama at September 03, 2021 02:11 PM (WmGrA)

68 We have Milley, yet it's Pat Tillman that's shot by his own troops.

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at September 03, 2021 02:12 PM (Zz0t1)

69 Bagram also housed jihadi prisoners who are now free to kill again.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 03, 2021 02:12 PM (5eyX2)

70 Trump mentioned Miley during the pandemic, and he said something weird about him. Like "Miley - he's an interesting guy..." and it just sounded like he had more to say, but knew he couldn't. I remember this because you could tell there was a lot unsaid. It had that inexplicable tone.

So my question is, is he out?

We have to know that only a military filled with queer and "trans" in leadership would be pushing the things they are pushing. Being gay has nothing to do with an effective fighting force. The only reason to make it an agenda item is because it is something they want personally. Businesses have the excuse that they are trying to avoid being canceled, but the only reason top brass would mandate gay inclusivity training is because they want it personally.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 03, 2021 02:12 PM (XsD6v)

71 I guess this doesn't bear saying but it's still worth thinking about... imagine if Trump left the Taliban, Iran, China etc all this equipment. Just IMAGINE the neverending high horse bullshit we'd be hearing from all the usual suspects.

(You can say they'd be right but that's not the point. The point is they only say and believe convenient things, and boy do they know how to milk the hell out of a dying cow.)

Posted by: ... at September 03, 2021 02:12 PM (Sq5xa)

72 Their decisions are principally based on envy, hate and enmity.

Sure, they lack reason and thus use emotion for all decisionmaking. Its why they support absolutely repulsive, evil stuff like Tranny men in your daughter's locker room or spa. Because if you say no, then Sparkle Jessica feels bad and is hurt, and look at their suicide rate, we're driving them to kill themselves DON'T YOU HAVE A HEART???

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:12 PM (KZzsI)

73 How did Milley manage to slither his way to the top?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at September 03, 2021 02:13 PM (cSyAR)

74 NOT.A.DAMN.THING.

Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at September 03, 2021 02:13 PM (qZdIZ)

75 How did Milley manage to slither his way to the top?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at September 03, 2021 02:13 PM (cSyAR)
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Peter Principle?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 03, 2021 02:14 PM (3p5uk)

76 Oh I think it was all deliberate, but not the way it would be if you or I did it. They did all this on purpose to achieve an end goal, but because they see that as a wonderful utopian move of compassion and generosity, and besides the USA is the most evil empire that has ever existed so its right to cut us down.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:14 PM (KZzsI)

77 This was a very purposeful transfer of equipment and "money" to Iran under the table to accommodate for Trump scrapping Obama (and Biden's) transfer to them in Obama's term.
===============

Finally, someone agrees with me. Sullivan is the real enemy here, the total traitor.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 03, 2021 02:14 PM (ggASZ)

78 I don't watch the news. Is his name pronounced like tongue girl swinging on a stage prop or like mill-ee?

Posted by: banana Dream at September 03, 2021 02:14 PM (2xiYd)

79 Is Milley another spelling of Niedermeyer?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 03, 2021 02:14 PM (5eyX2)

80 How did Milley manage to slither his way to the top?

Politics. The very few Generals we've had who didn't get to their position by political skill rather than competence you can list on one hand. You probably even know all their names off the top of your head.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:14 PM (KZzsI)

81 Milley is well under the weight you can safely sling load with a Blackhawk. Just sayin'

Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2021 02:14 PM (uUDKV)

82 This is reminiscent of when the USSR imploded and there was a fire sale on all things military. The generals didn't necessarily want to harm Russia, but they took the money anyway.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 03, 2021 02:15 PM (GQ5VU)

83 The thing I can't figure out is how did the tranny and CRT brigades not prevail?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at September 03, 2021 02:15 PM (d9FiS)

84 Milley didn't do this to assist our enemies and harm the US, he did it because he's a freaking idiot and handled everything wrong at the behest of greater fools who wanted everything done this way. ...

They're fools who think we've been evil for fighting the poor oppressed non-whites who only do these terrible things because they act out in anger in response to our cruelty and oppression.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:02 PM (KZzsI)

That is a big contributor to the $h!t-show in Afghanistan. Biden has dementia and the memory of a goldfish. We're getting whipsawed between the various factions within the Junta based on whoever gets to Joe Stolen at any particular moment.

If Milley had an ounce of honor he would have resigned already.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 03, 2021 02:15 PM (pJWtt)

85 Check his bank accounts. Just like the big guy he is being paid by Soros AND the Chinese.

Posted by: motu at September 03, 2021 02:15 PM (ahry9)

86 As a veteran of the war in Iraq, it does pain me in one respect to see the military destroyed. But, this is the military that our "leaders" would plan to use against you, the new enemy. So, while I remember fondly what was, I now applaud its destruction and urge it to be accelerated.

Posted by: DPICM at September 03, 2021 02:15 PM (M2VUX)

87 Milley's been in for 41 years. Sign your papers, get your parade, take your six figure job at Raytheon...and leave.

Posted by: Shooter McGavin at September 03, 2021 02:16 PM (rre0c)

88 Blackhawk > flying carpet

Posted by: wth at September 03, 2021 02:16 PM (v0R5T)

89 Lots of good questions raised here. None of which will be explored by the corporate media.

Posted by: mr tmz at September 03, 2021 02:16 PM (m/Gc2)

90 Iran is still flying the F-14 in spite of an arms embargo and the US turning ours into scrap.

So don't bet on 'modest.'

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 03, 2021 02:16 PM (5eyX2)

91
The Democrats think the enemy is people who love their country.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 03, 2021 02:16 PM (/U27+)

92 From what I read CENTCOM was told the priority was the embassy and Kabul. He had 2600 men so could not keep Bagram and the " priority" so Bagram had to go....

Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2021 02:16 PM (uUDKV)

93 If Milley had an ounce of honor he would have resigned already.

If he had any honor he would have resigned in front of congress at the hearings, and then seriously considered eating a gun in his office.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:17 PM (KZzsI)

94 And it was passed off on by Milley and Austin of course.

Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2021 02:17 PM (uUDKV)

95 I quote, again an excerpt from McCarthy's condemnation of George Marshall.

"What can be made of this unbroken series of decisions and acts contributing to the strategy of defeat? They cannot be attributed to incompetence. If Marshall were merely stupid, the laws of probability would dictate that part of his decisions would serve this country’s interest…"

The entire thing is well worth the read: https://tinyurl.com/57875mjt

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 03, 2021 02:17 PM (WD9ZA)

96 I can't wrap my brain around generals flatly refusing to obey Trump but then being afraid to challenge fungus brain.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at September 03, 2021 02:17 PM (cSyAR)

97 In the public square - all of them.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 03, 2021 02:17 PM (wj3Rl)

98 If Milley had an ounce of honor he would have resigned already.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 03, 2021 02:15 PM (pJWtt)

He would have shot himself in the head in front of where the 9/11 hijackers slammed into the Pentagon.

Abject disgrace to the uniform.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 03, 2021 02:17 PM (s2VJv)

99 Breaking: The tallybon is filling a lawsuit against the resident for vandalism to aircraft.

Posted by: Archer at September 03, 2021 02:17 PM (gmo/4)

100 but because they are absolutely sure that the only reason Muslims do naughty things is out of painful, powerless frustration over how mean the evil white men have treated them over the years, and if only we give them power, they will feel empowered and raise their self esteem so that they are not pushed to carry out such terrible acts.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

I don't think anyone believes that. I think you have a group of motivations, partly driven by fear that islam is dangerous and instead of confronting that fear they have gone into denial - they tell themselves that islam is really the same as us, and nothing to fear. But to do that, they have to explain centuries of evil. They did the same with the Soviets. Moral equivalency was a symptom of mental denial of reality.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 03, 2021 02:18 PM (XsD6v)

101 The thing I can't figure out is how did the tranny and CRT brigades not prevail?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at September 03, 2021 02:15 PM (d9FiS)
......

The Tollybon-bons refused to acknowledge their pronouns.

Posted by: wth at September 03, 2021 02:18 PM (v0R5T)

102 Instagram apologizes after account suspension "error" of Gold Star mom who blasted Biden for seeming "annoyed" with her during dignified transfer service

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So "error"? That's what you're going with?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at September 03, 2021 02:18 PM (d9FiS)

103 96 I can't wrap my brain around generals flatly refusing to obey Trump but then being afraid to challenge fungus brain.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at September 03, 2021 02:17 PM (cSyAR)
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I can't wrap my brain around it being accepted.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 03, 2021 02:18 PM (wj3Rl)

104 I can't wrap my brain around generals flatly refusing to obey Trump but then being afraid to challenge fungus brain.

Yeah I cannot work that out either, something else is at work here. It could be just as simple as "ew Trump, I will never do what he wants"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:18 PM (KZzsI)

105 Gotta' bring the boys home to put down the InSurRecTiOn. Once Harris is in, white domestic terror will be the Army's number one mission. On that count he'll succeed beyond anyone's wildest dreams.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 03, 2021 02:19 PM (BFigT)

106 Milley meh. Sure the entire federal government needs a good cleaning to get the woke rot out of it, but ultimately Biden is at fault.

Posted by: G. Gnome will not comply at September 03, 2021 02:19 PM (OQcPl)

107
The difference between Arnold and Millie Vanilli is that Arnold was actually a genuinely heroic battlefield commander before he turned traitor.

Millie is an apparatchik, and with that chest full of fruit salad (heavy on the fruit), he's a great example of the Sukhomlinov Effect.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 03, 2021 02:19 PM (n+4am)

108 Aren't members of the military expected to maintain a certain fitness level?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at September 03, 2021 02:19 PM (cSyAR)

109 Moral equivalency was a symptom of mental denial of reality.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 03, 2021 02:18 PM (XsD6v)
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Not necessarily. It can be, but it can also be something else: evidence of profound self-loathing and contempt.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 03, 2021 02:19 PM (3p5uk)

110

Milley is a Man's Man, a virile Man, a manly Man. He has the stature of a Man, a virile Man, Macho and Commanding.

Probably has a set of assless chaps in his office.

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at September 03, 2021 02:20 PM (PsxA/)

111 "Fitness level?" LtCol Vindaloomon.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 03, 2021 02:20 PM (5eyX2)

112 I don't think anyone believes that.

Nobody sane or reasonable does. But I assure you that many do, and nearly all of the people in the White House if not all of them do. Remember, they do not make their decisions based on reason and logic, experience and history. They are based on emotion and a long checklist of grievances and political goals.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:20 PM (KZzsI)

113 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at September 03, 2021 02:21 PM (Zz0t1)

114 forgot...actually

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at September 03, 2021 02:21 PM (Zz0t1)

115 shortly after the stolen election,

which happened after an biologically altered virus escaped a chinese lab

So luck us huh?

Posted by: its just a coincidence that this happened at September 03, 2021 02:21 PM (N3JKU)

116 Marshall became a swamp creature on he went to State. I don't think he was a commie but they used him.Eisenhower took such offense that he destroyed McCarthy ( oh btw Ike locked up all the documents about commies in the government in the WH and claimed executive privilege. The NY Times and other were quick to assert that he was quite right to do so)

Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2021 02:21 PM (uUDKV)

117 Milley was telling the truth when he said Bagram was not necessary to "what we're trying to do here in Afghanistan".

The problem was what they were trying to do.

Posted by: JuJuBee at September 03, 2021 02:21 PM (mNhhD)

118 96 I can't wrap my brain around generals flatly refusing to obey Trump but then being afraid to challenge fungus brain.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy

two reasons.
1. they were making a LOT of money off a-stan.
2. it goes to that psychosis I wrote of in #100. Trump forced the ruling class to face the reality that our country - our civilization - is under threats and we have to change. Rather than face the threat they deny it and the only way to do that is to make Trump the crazy one.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 03, 2021 02:21 PM (XsD6v)

119 Aren't members of the military expected to maintain a certain fitness level?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at September 03, 2021 02:19 PM (cSyAR)
........

Sure, the bags under his eyes are for storing water for desert ops.

Posted by: wth at September 03, 2021 02:22 PM (v0R5T)

120 21 banana dream, future president of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis was Secretary of War from 1853-7. The active army at the time has outsized representation from the South as well as a percentage of the population.

Posted by: whig at September 03, 2021 02:22 PM (xunV5)

121 I can't wrap my brain around generals flatly refusing to obey Trump but then being afraid to challenge fungus brain.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at September 03, 2021 02:17 PM (cSyAR)
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They may have been banking on refusing their orders until the New Guy came in because the New Guy would surely reverse the withdrawal.

That didn't happen. As to *why* it didn't happen and why Biden's handlers and politburo refused to reverse course, I am not sure. Their internal data might have shown that they'd lose all popular support even among the Karen crew (or maybe especially among that group) if they didn't withdraw. So then they were fucked - they had pissed all of the time and done little of the required work and then had to throw together a plan to try to not violate the original terms more than was absolutely necessary.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 03, 2021 02:22 PM (3p5uk)

122 The difference between Arnold and Millie Vanilli is that Arnold was actually a genuinely heroic battlefield commander before he turned traitor.

And Arnold was genuinely tooled over repeatedly by the idiots in congress and diplomats. They backstabbed him like 10 times throughout his career and he finally snapped. The man was an awesome commander and military genius who was tragically misused.

Doesn't excuse his actions or make him any less a traitor. Just makes it all the more tragic.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:22 PM (KZzsI)

123 "Fitness level?" LtCol Vindaloomon.
Posted by: Anna Puma
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Here, troop...hold my bear claw.

Posted by: LtC Tubby at September 03, 2021 02:22 PM (WD9ZA)

124
The entire thing is well worth the read: https://tinyurl.com/57875mjt

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 03, 2021 02:17 PM (WD9ZA)

__________

*polite cough*

Except that Marshall, while he made his share of mistakes, was the architect of the army that won World War II. His worst error was trying to broker the deal between Mao and Chiang.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 03, 2021 02:22 PM (/U27+)

125 Never ascribe to incompetence what can be adequately explained by malice.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) reminds you at September 03, 2021 02:22 PM (yQpMk)

126 I truly believe that part of the deal cut with the Taliban was that we would leave all the gear for them in working order. Some of our lower ranks were not obliging...

Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2021 02:23 PM (uUDKV)

127 Gen. Milley should be relieved of all military duties and court marshaled for treason.

Biden should be impeached and prosecuted for treason.

Posted by: Vic at September 03, 2021 02:23 PM (mpXpK)

128 Nobody sane or reasonable does.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Yeah, I regretted that sentence as soon as I hit post.

Good point.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 03, 2021 02:23 PM (XsD6v)

129 There is an intriguing conspiracy theory out there. There are plans for an Afghan pipeline; supposedly, it was "sold" to "Burisma" and paid for using "surplus US military gear."

The theory is that "Xiden" didn't give it all to the Taliban, he gave it to Burisma to use to purchase pipeline rights.

Coincidentally, Xiden met with the president of Ukraine yesterday.

Posted by: vyx at September 03, 2021 02:23 PM (tjZg/)

130 btw Ike locked up all the documents about commies in the government in the WH and claimed executive privilege.

Eisenhower was anything but a communist sympathiser, my guess is he recognized the damage it would do to the nation's trust in government and the world's esteem of the USA. That was an error in my judgment, but I have a lot of hindsight he did not.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:24 PM (KZzsI)

131 41 If you've ever argued with or talked to one of these people you discover quickly several things:

1) they reject anything that challenges their worldview or assumptions out of hand without consideration. It simply doesn't exist and you're a freak and conspiracy theorist for even bringing it up.
2) they believe utter nonsense that cannot be supported by reason or experience, because they wish it to be true.
3) they will act based on these two things, so even if they are given good information if it contradicts what they want to be true then they ignore it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:07 PM (KZzsI)

Want to destroy a leftie? Ask a pointed question. That's it. Just ask a simple question. I did this with a cousin, asked her point blank why she thought Trump was racist. She said because of the "Muslim ban." She couldn't name a single country it applied to or speak to the operating status of said countries' governments, nor could she offer a rebuttal as to the dangers of allowing unvetted people into our country. She had nothing but iI couldn't change the way she felt.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 03, 2021 02:24 PM (KbCG3)

132 Never ascribe to incompetence what can be adequately explained by malice.
==
Especially when the string of incompetence is so long, unbroken and falls only in one direction.

Its. An. Op. People.

Posted by: its just a coincidence that this happened at September 03, 2021 02:24 PM (KiAAq)

133 Wow.

I sure hope Tucker Carlson reads this verbatim on his show.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at September 03, 2021 02:24 PM (xopIz)

134 As a veteran of the war in Iraq, it does pain me in one respect to see the military destroyed. But, this is the military that our "leaders" would plan to use against you, the new enemy. So, while I remember fondly what was, I now applaud its destruction and urge it to be accelerated.
Posted by: DPICM
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As a fellow OIF vet, I concur.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at September 03, 2021 02:24 PM (EKULy)

135 130 Not saying he was a commie but that is what he did.

Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2021 02:24 PM (uUDKV)

136 Milley has more medals than those old Soviet Generals who stood atop Lenin's tomb. And they're just about as earned.

Posted by: Archer at September 03, 2021 02:24 PM (gmo/4)

137 By contrast, General Milley ensured that Bagram Air Force Base fell into enemy hands by simply abandoning it in the middle of the night, without even handing it over to our putative Afghan allies, and while thousands of Americans were still in Kabul.

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Which also allowed our "new fully-trustworthy allies, the Taliban, to release over 1,000 former Al Queda -- now ISIS-K -- terrorists from the prison there ... whom we're told by our betters in the Wokegon / State Hate Department / Obama 3rd-term Anti-White (Bath)House / Intelligence-Challenged Community / Progda Enemedia cabal -- in all their gaslighting magnificence -- are supposed enemies of the Taliban.

Mission Accomplished!

Posted by: ShainS -- Unauthorized Freedom Exhibitionist at September 03, 2021 02:24 PM (f42NE)

138 96 I can't wrap my brain around generals flatly refusing to obey Trump but then being afraid to challenge fungus brain.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at September 03, 2021 02:17 PM (cSyAR)

Obeying Trump does not further their goals, but obeying Biden does.

Posted by: Emmie at September 03, 2021 02:25 PM (6RgRK)

139 Hey, I took the batteries out of the humvees! How was I supposed to know the TB would know how to put them back in!!

Posted by: Gen Milley Vanilly at September 03, 2021 02:25 PM (G1dq6)

140 If you know the whole story, Benedict Arnold's (wrong) decision to betray George Washington was actually explainable; still wrong, but at least you could say I understand why he did what he did. Milley's decisions are completely inexplicable. He is either really stupid, traitorous or both.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at September 03, 2021 02:25 PM (h1jJh)

141 I think it's premature to think that we are done with Afghanistan. We've left all that military gear behind, so that just means we'll need to buy new stuff. Imagine some Afghan group murdering some of the Americans left there. They can drum up outrage and be justified to go right back in.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at September 03, 2021 02:25 PM (5HBd1)

142 I truly believe that part of the deal cut with the Taliban was that we would leave all the gear for them in working order. Some of our lower ranks were not obliging...
Posted by: steevy

And THAT'S why the story came out that the Tollybon were pissed that we left them inoperable equipment.

BECAUSE THEY WERE PROMISED WORKING EQUIPMENT.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2021 02:25 PM (OCTRt)

143
Except that Marshall, while he made his share of mistakes, was the architect of the army that won World War II. His worst error was trying to broker the deal between Mao and Chiang.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
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Gen. Miley was probably, at some time, an efficient, effective officer.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 03, 2021 02:26 PM (bk3Sg)

144 She had nothing but I couldn't change the way she felt.

What's worse is that even if you can get one to actually change their mind about something... within a few days, they will be right back where they were, because deep down they just know you were wrong but don't have the right data or argument at hand.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:26 PM (KZzsI)

145 As an old cold warrior, I am deeply saddened.

Posted by: Archer at September 03, 2021 02:26 PM (gmo/4)

146 >>>If Gen. Milley Were A Traitor, What Would He Have Done Differently?

I'm going with: Tried not to be so obvious about it.

Posted by: Match Checksout at September 03, 2021 02:26 PM (dYe5S)

147 All of Milley's actions make perfect sense if he'd been paid of by the Chinese. Not saying he was, he could just be a hardcore Maoist doing it for the love of the Chairman and the greater glory of China.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at September 03, 2021 02:26 PM (SchxB)

148 To the surprise of no one, even the very early congresses were shit....

Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2021 02:26 PM (uUDKV)

149 She couldn't name a single country it applied to or speak to the operating status of said countries' governments, nor could she offer a rebuttal as to the dangers of allowing unvetted people into our country. She had nothing but iI couldn't change the way she felt.
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because she's been brainwashed by the TV.

That's not a joke. It works. That's why they spend so much on commercials and celebrity endorsements etc. A LOT of people are sheep. And they pick a team, and that's the end of it.

Posted by: its just a coincidence that this happened at September 03, 2021 02:26 PM (dEA2T)

150 Miley is an errand boy working for grocery clerks (need to watch Apocalypse Now again. Haven't watched it in a while). He'll never be court marshalled. In fact, he'll fail upwards. That's just how The Swamp works.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 03, 2021 02:26 PM (C7jzY)

151
I don't know much about Milley prior to this year. Maybe he did heroic things, or was at least a good soldier at some point. It's irrelevant. Whether he was Audie Murphy or just another ladder-climbing political officer, he's a fuckin' commie now, and he needs to go to the Canal.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 03, 2021 02:27 PM (9sVFt)

152 Milley is a fat slob also. I don't remember Generals looking like "Mr. Creosote"...............

Posted by: James at September 03, 2021 02:27 PM (24+Vp)

153 Milley was telling the truth when he said Bagram was not necessary to "what we're trying to do here in Afghanistan".

The problem was what they were trying to do.
Posted by: JuJuBee at September 03, 2021 02:21 PM (mNhhD)

Good point

Posted by: LASue at September 03, 2021 02:27 PM (Ed8Zd)

154 I think it's premature to think that we are done with Afghanistan. We've left all that military gear behind, so that just means we'll need to buy new stuff. Imagine some Afghan group murdering some of the Americans left there. They can drum up outrage and be justified to go right back in.
Posted by: Notsothoreau

Not with the pussies running the show now.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2021 02:27 PM (OCTRt)

155 142 Exactly

Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2021 02:27 PM (uUDKV)

156
And Arnold was genuinely tooled over repeatedly by the idiots in congress and diplomats. They backstabbed him like 10 times throughout his career and he finally snapped. The man was an awesome commander and military genius who was tragically misused.

Doesn't excuse his actions or make him any less a traitor. Just makes it all the more tragic.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:22 PM

Arnold's wife's family (and presumably her, too) were loyalist; so in addition to getting mis-treated at "work", he was getting nagged at home, too

I've read that Washington was ridiculously despondent over Arnold's betrayal and the loss of one of his better commanders

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 03, 2021 02:27 PM (DUIap)

157 Milley didn't do this to assist our enemies and harm the US, he did it because he's a freaking idiot and handled everything wrong at the behest of greater fools who wanted everything done this way.

They didn't go "we need to help the Taliban, lets screw all this stuff up so they win and we lose!"

For fuck's sake, when I go on my "but he didn't INTEND to commit these horrible crimes" with my "declines to prosecute" sock, it's supposed to be a joke.

People spend their time and resources in battle based on what they think the greater threat is.

Milley spent more time grilling his own squadrons over perceived acts of racism than grilling his allies over not leaving $80 billion of weapons to a terrorist group that shows no remorse over hanging and shooting civilians.

It doesn't have to be intentional to be treason. Aid comes in many different flavors.

Posted by: Homer's Donuts at September 03, 2021 02:27 PM (HK8/E)

158 Milley is a Man's Man, a virile Man, a manly Man. He has the stature of a Man, a virile Man, Macho and Commanding.

I have more testosterone in my colon then most men have in their whole bodies!

Posted by: Gen White Feather Milley at September 03, 2021 02:28 PM (DpkTQ)

159 within a few days, they will be right back where they were, because deep down they just know you were wrong but don't have the right data or argument at hand.
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Plus they forget what you said, and replace it with another 5 hours of CNN, and late night "comedy". You are trying to dry them off WHILE they are standing under a Waterfall.

Posted by: they are still ALL WET no matter how much effort you make at September 03, 2021 02:29 PM (N3JKU)

160 But Filley has all those medals!!

Posted by: Jak Sucio at September 03, 2021 02:29 PM (8zZnO)

161 Miley studied Shits Tzu.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 03, 2021 02:29 PM (2DOZq)

162 Benedick Arnold was not a hero of the West Point battle. He confided with the British to hand West Point over to them. And there is a lot of evidence that Arnold's wife convinced him of all this as she was a British Loyalist.

Posted by: Vic at September 03, 2021 02:29 PM (mpXpK)

163 Milley is a fat slob also. I don't remember Generals looking like "Mr. Creosote"

This is what makes me giggle when I play video games. Every time the higher the rank, the more dangerous the foe. Sure, you beat Sgt Floon, but wait until you meet Lieutenant Ploon. And the final End Boss is General Kloon!!!!

Uh, right.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:29 PM (KZzsI)

164 Remember the entire army was demoralized. They were not being fed, paid or supplied adequately. Yeah, Congress.

Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2021 02:29 PM (uUDKV)

165
Out: "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job."

In: "Millie, you're doing a heck of a job for a white supremacist. Why did you and fellow white supremacist Biden leave behind all those poor, brown Afghani people who helped us?"

Posted by: ShainS -- Unauthorized Freedom Exhibitionist at September 03, 2021 02:29 PM (f42NE)

166 I just hope that not only do shitstains like Milley hang, but the hangman is every bit as incompetent as they are. I want an "Oh shit! What do we do now?" as they look up in the book what the protocols are for a noose that didn't work properly, and make a few phone calls for opinions before taking a lunch break.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at September 03, 2021 02:29 PM (wAnMi)

167 Speaking of poor decisions . . .

https://bit.ly/3yJMtAQ

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at September 03, 2021 02:30 PM (d9FiS)

168 >>> banana dream, future president of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis was Secretary of War from 1853-7. The active army at the time has outsized representation from the South as well as a percentage of the population.
Posted by: whig at September 03, 2021 02:22 PM (xunV5)

Yes, but Grant writes that supplies that would have helped if available in northern location were redirected before the war. The few Northern forts and commands were drained intentionally, he believed.

I don't have the exact words in front of me now, but he lays out movements in his autobiography. I'm not a civil war scholar by any means I just remember sections pertaining to that in his book.

I will state that he took betrayals by those he thought were friends he fought alongside and trained with in a very personal manner and that may have skewed his information.

Posted by: banana Dream at September 03, 2021 02:30 PM (2xiYd)

169 If you would have told me half a year ago that we were leaving all of that shit behind, I could have personally got it home to my new heavily fortified compound.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at September 03, 2021 02:30 PM (h1jJh)

170 Biden is ultimately responsible.

Too bad there are no honest men or women in DC.

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2021 02:31 PM (ONvIw)

171 It doesn't have to be intentional to be treason. Aid comes in many different flavors.

That is a good point but to me, intent has to matter but in the end, punishment should still be there. I mean, accidental homicide is treated differently than someone who plots 3 weeks and kills someone deliberately.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:31 PM (KZzsI)

172 The Meat Puppet spoke this morning on his economic disaster but then did his trademark "turn back, and run" move when asked about the ongoing disaster in Afghanistan

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 03, 2021 02:31 PM (ggASZ)

173 Some sanity from Seattle....a second judge has told a bunch of leftists LOLGF, with the "Compassionate Seattle" nonsense.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 03, 2021 02:31 PM (GQ5VU)

174 That's just how The Swamp works.
Posted by: Puddleglum
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[senses chance}

Ha! It's only 3:30 P.M. , for a change.

[slurps coffee]

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 03, 2021 02:31 PM (pK7cg)

175
Biden should be impeached and prosecuted for treason.
Posted by: Vic

You can't be serious!
No court of law (not even the Senate!) would hold the Resident anything other than mentally incompetent.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 03, 2021 02:32 PM (TRbTH)

176 Some sanity from Seattle....a second judge has told a bunch of leftists LOLGF, with the "Compassionate Seattle" nonsense.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 03, 2021 02:31 PM (GQ5VU)
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What is the "compassionate Seattle" nonsense?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 03, 2021 02:32 PM (3p5uk)

177 You know who could use 500,000 guns right about now? The Aussies.

Posted by: wth at September 03, 2021 02:32 PM (v0R5T)

178 A lot of the Revolutionary War era congress were pissed because they were businessmen who were doing great by trading with England and now their money tree was cut off by war. They were just as treasonous and backstabbing then as now.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:32 PM (KZzsI)

179 The main question that remains is "why"? What was gained and by whom, or who is being protected at the price of our national safety?

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2021 02:33 PM (ONvIw)

180 The theory is that "Xiden" didn't give it all to the Taliban, he gave it to Burisma to use to purchase pipeline rights.

Coincidentally, Xiden met with the president of Ukraine yesterday.
Posted by: vyx at September 03, 2021 02:23 PM (tjZg/)

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Yeah but it wasn't via a phone call so it is NOT impeachable.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 03, 2021 02:33 PM (GQ5VU)

181 BECAUSE THEY WERE PROMISED WORKING EQUIPMENT.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2021 02:25 PM (OCTRt)

No doubt there will be a hush-hush internal investigation as to how something like this could have happened, and court martial or drum out anybody responsible for crippling said equipment.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at September 03, 2021 02:33 PM (wAnMi)

182 178 A lot of the Revolutionary War era congress were pissed because they were businessmen who were doing great by trading with England and now their money tree was cut off by war. They were just as treasonous and backstabbing then as now.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:32 PM (KZzsI)

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Heeeeeey. We resent that.
- GOP

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 03, 2021 02:33 PM (GQ5VU)

183 Yesterday, I saw a large passenger jet flying low to land at nearby Shaw AFB.

My first thought was "Shit. I hope that doesn't have a bunch of Afghanis on board for resettlement here."

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at September 03, 2021 02:33 PM (xopIz)

184 This busty brunette in tight jeans and high heels doesn't know whether it's treason, but knows for sure that it is a disaster and there need to be serious punishments meted out - though she also knows that won't happen:
https://is.gd/QD8P3c

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 03, 2021 02:34 PM (3p5uk)

185 175 You can't be serious!
No court of law (not even the Senate!) would hold the Resident anything other than mentally incompetent.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 03, 2021 02:32 PM (TRbTH)

Accidental treason is still treason.

Posted by: Vic at September 03, 2021 02:34 PM (mpXpK)

186 177 You know who could use 500,000 guns right about now? The Aussies.
Posted by: wth at September 03, 2021 02:32 PM (v0R5T)

They need guts more than guns.

It is the hard heart that kills, to coin a phrase.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at September 03, 2021 02:34 PM (XvPQV)

187 Arnold was a hero at the battle of Quebec and was wounded in the leg during the battle. After Arnold turned coat, someone asked some continental soldiers what he would do if they'd ever caught the traitor. They said they cut off the leg wounded in battle and bury it with full military honors- the rest of him they would hang.

Posted by: Archer at September 03, 2021 02:34 PM (gmo/4)

188 These days you pretty much have to get at least three to five levels down into any US government institution to have even a chance of finding competence. It's not guaranteed there either, but there's a chance.

Posted by: Match Checksout at September 03, 2021 02:34 PM (dYe5S)

189 184: Probably just hot for Hunter's money. It's the usual way.

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2021 02:34 PM (ONvIw)

190 358K M-4s ?

There were only 180k soldiers in the Afghan Army and authorized only up to 195K.

These numbers don't make sense to me.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 03, 2021 02:35 PM (2DOZq)

191 Same thing happened in the war of 1812; congress was angry that we went to war with the dudes that were making them rich. Now they had a blockade by the world's greatest naval power and wanted the war over.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:35 PM (KZzsI)

192 179 The main question that remains is "why"? What was gained and by whom, or who is being protected at the price of our national safety?
Posted by: CN at September 03, 2021 02:33 PM (ONvIw)

The one thing I could never figure out during Obama's term was why they were so freaking desperate to make a deal with Iran. No matter my theories, it never made sense.

Here, you just have to follow the money, er, equipment, so to speak.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 03, 2021 02:35 PM (KbCG3)

193 Whether for incompetence or for betraying his country, a court martial is warranted.

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Yep.

Posted by: Darth Randall at September 03, 2021 02:35 PM (3TihK)

194 Things not being talked about but, nonetheless, are true:

The entire Logistical chain worldwide, is a mess because of what transpired in AF.

JP-2, aircraft and parts, consumables, medical supplies, high wear items, etc. have all had to be resupplied in Europe, at sea, the Middle East, and forward supply areas. Those items just don't show up overnight.

High need items are being pulled from the Pacific stocks to replenish the shortages. Other theaters will now be short of their authorized levels as a result of this worldwide shift of materials.

And transport was in short supply even before this. It is a disaster now.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 03, 2021 02:35 PM (mD/uy)

195 What would he have differently? Go on to become obscenely wealthy in Hollywood and fuck Ted Turner.
*looks side-eye at Jane Fonda*

Posted by: Citizen Cake at September 03, 2021 02:35 PM (HmZuC)

196 184 This busty brunette in tight jeans and high heels doesn't know whether it's treason, but knows for sure that it is a disaster and there need to be serious punishments meted out - though she also knows that won't happen:
https://is.gd/QD8P3c
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 03, 2021 02:34 PM (3p5uk)

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Not digging those hooker heels though.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 03, 2021 02:35 PM (GQ5VU)

197 This busty brunette in tight jeans and high heels doesn't know whether it's treason, but knows for sure that it is a disaster and there need to be serious punishments meted out - though she also knows that won't happen:
https://is.gd/QD8P3c
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 03, 2021 02:34 PM (3p5uk)

Those are some high speed front and rear bumpers...
hand check!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at September 03, 2021 02:35 PM (XvPQV)

198 Probably just hot for Hunter's money. It's the usual way.
Posted by: CN at September 03, 2021 02:34 PM (ONvIw)
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Heh. She should ask his most recent baby-mama how easy it is to get blood out of that particular stone...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 03, 2021 02:35 PM (3p5uk)

199 A lot of the Revolutionary War era congress were pissed because they were businessmen who were doing great by trading with England and now their money tree was cut off by war. They were just as treasonous and backstabbing then as now.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

How many times have we said it?

ALWAYS FOLLOW THE MONEY.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2021 02:35 PM (OCTRt)

200 174 That's just how The Swamp works.
Posted by: Puddleglum
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[senses chance}

Ha! It's only 3:30 P.M. , for a change.

[slurps coffee]
Posted by: Mike Hammer

Cheers! (sips water)

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at September 03, 2021 02:36 PM (C7jzY)

201 Is Milley still considered active duty or is he wearing the uniform to show off all of those medals he bought at the PX?

Posted by: dartist at September 03, 2021 02:36 PM (+ya+t)

202 358K M-4s ?

There were only 180k soldiers in the Afghan Army and authorized only up to 195K.
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Police and other security forces.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at September 03, 2021 02:36 PM (EKULy)

203 Biden is ultimately responsible.

Afghanistan is a success! All Hail Our God Joe Xiden!

-the MSM

Posted by: vyx at September 03, 2021 02:36 PM (tjZg/)

204 I just hope that not only do shitstains like Milley hang, but the hangman is every bit as incompetent as they are. I want an "Oh shit! What do we do now?" as they look up in the book what the protocols are for a noose that didn't work properly, and make a few phone calls for opinions before taking a lunch break.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at September 03,

Mark Felton YouTube Channel had a bit about the Nuremburg hangman. Apparently, he was completely incompetent as he botch a number of the hangings. Maybe one of this guys grandkids is around and can help out.

Posted by: Beartooth at September 03, 2021 02:36 PM (UVMn8)

205 Milley was most likely doing exactly what his commander told him to. Yes I've heard of unlawful orders. But if the CiC or whomever stands in for sundown in that role was not on the same page Milley would have at least been 'asked' to resign.

And of course the CCP owns most of the FNM, so they are not speculating on possible treachery in handing Bagram over to the Taliban, possibly soon China.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply Irredeemable at September 03, 2021 02:37 PM (pxVvf)

206 >>> These days you pretty much have to get at least three to five levels down into any US government institution to have even a chance of finding competence. It's not guaranteed there either, but there's a chance.
Posted by: Match Checksout at September 03, 2021 02:34 PM (dYe5S)

And when you find it it's probably of a malevolent form.

Posted by: banana Dream at September 03, 2021 02:37 PM (2xiYd)

207 Gen. Miley was probably, at some time, an efficient, effective officer.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 03, 2021 02:26 PM (bk3Sg)

His counterclockwise tongue swirl was legendary.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) reminds you at September 03, 2021 02:37 PM (yQpMk)

208 Gonna' beat this horse:

Phone privacy:

Rob Braxton (the phone privacy guy) has several videos. He deGoogles phones. Here's a good on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LPDsPvCbCo

Posted by: Braenyard at September 03, 2021 02:37 PM (wj3Rl)

209 197 This busty brunette in tight jeans and high heels doesn't know whether it's treason, but knows for sure that it is a disaster and there need to be serious punishments meted out - though she also knows that won't happen:
https://is.gd/QD8P3c
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 03, 2021 02:34 PM (3p5uk)

She's very pretty.
Hate the yellow claws though. Yikes.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 03, 2021 02:37 PM (qgj2l)

210 Somebody ask Psaki if she believes in gun control in Afghanistan.

Posted by: wth at September 03, 2021 02:37 PM (v0R5T)

211 Not digging those hooker heels though.
Posted by: Joe XiDen

Pole shoes = instant turn off.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2021 02:37 PM (OCTRt)

212 168 Banana Dream, I was not disagreeing with you or Grant. After the Compromise of 1850 more or less failed and bloody Kansas with Dred Scott decision occurred, the fire eaters in the South more or less moved toward secession. The Whig party disintegrated over the issue, and the older Dems and former Whigs in the South were no match politically for the fire eaters. The North's reaction to the Dred Scott decision and Lincoln's election by a plurality vote sealed the deal. Reading about the politics of that era is incredibly depressing because both ideologues believed that they were justified and would win with few casualties. Too bad we don't have the comparable Guns of August book for the Civil War but it could have easily been avoided.

Posted by: whig at September 03, 2021 02:38 PM (xunV5)

213 A friend's son was just promoted to gunnery sgt. Congratulated him on the honor. But putting your life in the hands of these douchebags? I wonder, I wonder.

Posted by: Regular joe at September 03, 2021 02:38 PM (L9P9s)

214 The one thing I could never figure out during Obama's term was why they were so freaking desperate to make a deal with Iran. No matter my theories, it never made sense.

Here, you just have to follow the money, er, equipment, so to speak.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 03, 2021 02:35 PM (KbCG3)

Obama was an Islamist, he still is. What Biden and the rest of the boys in the band (Milley, Austin, Blinkin, etc) are getting out of it or what is being protected.

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2021 02:38 PM (ONvIw)

215 Miley is a traitor put in place by a junta that stole an election. The junta hates America and wants it dead. Joe hiden biden is the real traitor.

Both should hang.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at September 03, 2021 02:38 PM (0OmEj)

216 358K M-4s ?

There were only 180k soldiers in the Afghan Army and authorized only up to 195K.

These numbers don't make sense to me.

Does it make sense if they weren't for the Afghan Army?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at September 03, 2021 02:38 PM (SchxB)

217 That is a good point but to me, intent has to matter but in the end, punishment should still be there. I mean, accidental homicide is treated differently than someone who plots 3 weeks and kills someone deliberately.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:31 PM (KZzsI)

Intent may matter for some things, but there's a huge difference between:

"We diverted resources away from this strategically vital target because intel told us the enemy is going to attack another vital target and our main logistics crew was decimated." - and-

"We diverted resources away from this strategically vital target because who cares if the Taliban gets it? In reality, aren't our racist white soldiers just as much a threat to the Afghans as the Taliban?"

Posted by: Homer's Donuts at September 03, 2021 02:39 PM (HK8/E)

218 Police and other security forces.
Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at September 03, 2021 02:36 PM (EKULy

Including police it's only 200k.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 03, 2021 02:39 PM (2DOZq)

219 Mark Felton YouTube Channel had a bit about the Nuremburg hangman. Apparently, he was completely incompetent as he botch a number of the hangings. Maybe one of this guys grandkids is around and can help out.
Posted by: Beartooth at September 03, 2021 02:36 PM (UVMn

I saw that video.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at September 03, 2021 02:39 PM (cSyAR)

220 203 Biden is ultimately responsible.

Afghanistan is a success! All Hail Our God Joe Xiden!

-the MSM
Posted by: vyx

Biden's Afghanistan success is Trumps fault that it failed!! - the MSM

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at September 03, 2021 02:39 PM (C7jzY)

221 "... Milley objected to removing equipment from Afghanistan because it would cost too much"

Yeah, all of a sudden Democrats are trying to save a buck...

Posted by: casual observer 3079 at September 03, 2021 02:40 PM (aAP3z)

222 She's very pretty.
Hate the yellow claws though. Yikes.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 03, 2021 02:37 PM (qgj2l)
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Much better than black or other dirty looking one's.

Wonder how much that butt cost?
Wonder how much it weighs?
Do they use sand or fat taken from her belly?

Posted by: Braenyard at September 03, 2021 02:40 PM (wj3Rl)

223 Including police it's only 200k.

Yeah but you gotta include the EPA and the Department of Multiculturalism and Diversity

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:40 PM (KZzsI)

224 Both should hang.
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at September 03, 2021 02:38 PM (0OmEj)

It's broader than that, many more involved. If it were not YUGE, the press would be screaming bloody murder, but they pivoted back to mask and shot mandates. Why?

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2021 02:41 PM (ONvIw)

225 Hey, they died, right?
And I got paid.

Posted by: Nuremburg hangman at September 03, 2021 02:41 PM (aAP3z)

226 Yeah, all of a sudden Democrats are trying to save a buck.

That's where you have to guess that it wasn't about the cost so much as the lack of potential beak wetting. How much money can they get from moving this stuff out? Not as much as leaving it there.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:41 PM (KZzsI)

227 Cost to turn the military into a woke force: APPROVED!

Cost to remove equipment from Afghanistan: DENIED!

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 03, 2021 02:41 PM (GQ5VU)

228 Abolish General Milley.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 03, 2021 02:41 PM (R/m4+)

229 Mark Felton YouTube Channel had a bit about the Nuremburg hangman.

Felton also has a video of America's SS Renegades, traitors of World War II. Peter Delaney, Martin Monti. These guys did not get the death penalty, which surprises me.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at September 03, 2021 02:41 PM (vN+oL)

230 A friend's son was just promoted to gunnery sgt. Congratulated him on the honor. But putting your life in the hands of these douchebags? I wonder, I wonder.
Posted by: Regular joe
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With all the job openings, troops getting out should have no problem with finding one if they decide to get out.

But with the crappy economy, lockdowns constantly threatened, and prices of pretty much everything going through the roof, I can understand why some decide to reup.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at September 03, 2021 02:41 PM (EKULy)

231 161 Miley studied Shits Tzu.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 03, 2021 02:29 PM (2DOZq)

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Out: "On War" by Carl von Clausewitz
In: "On Varmint Poontang" by Carl Spackler

Posted by: ShainS -- Unauthorized Freedom Exhibitionist at September 03, 2021 02:42 PM (f42NE)

232 Milley objected to removing equipment from Afghanistan because it would cost too much"

Yeah, all of a sudden Democrats are trying to save a buck...
Posted by: casual observer 3079

Fine. But then fucking destroy it. Thermite grenade on the carburetor. Thermite grenade in the breech.
Thermite grenade on the drone. Thermite grenades in the plane engines. Wrap the M4's and MG's around trees.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2021 02:42 PM (OCTRt)

233 Who makes those pants? OK, picture a cartoon chick with a 26-inch waist and big ol' butt and curvy thighs. Got it, Boss.

Posted by: wth at September 03, 2021 02:42 PM (v0R5T)

234 That's where you have to guess that it wasn't about the cost so much as the lack of potential beak wetting. How much money can they get from moving this stuff out? Not as much as leaving it there.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:41 PM (KZzsI)

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You could always "lose" a few Humvees and BlackHawks on the open seas I suppose. Ships do go down.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 03, 2021 02:42 PM (GQ5VU)

235 Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2021 02:42 PM (OCTRt)

Gifts or payments to the Islamists or China. Amazing how we are now besties with the taliban/Islamists, isn't it?

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2021 02:43 PM (ONvIw)

236 You could always "lose" a few Humvees and BlackHawks on the open seas I suppose. Ships do go down.

"Tanks burn, don' ey?"
--Piranha Brothers

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:43 PM (KZzsI)

237 AMAB

All Milleys are Bastards

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 03, 2021 02:43 PM (GQ5VU)

238 Both should hang.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at September 03, 2021 02:38 PM (0OmEj)
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All the conspirators against the Constitution in the public square.

Students, teachers and bureaucrats, and politicians attendance mandatory.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 03, 2021 02:43 PM (wj3Rl)

239 That's where you have to guess that it wasn't about the cost so much as the lack of potential beak wetting. How much money can they get from moving this stuff out? Not as much as leaving it there.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

If they didn't destroy it in place, THERE'S YOUR INTENTION.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2021 02:43 PM (OCTRt)

240 They wanted to get out as fast as possible, but have zero experience with logistics, no wisdom whatsoever, and a near-total lack of common sense.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

I think there is a lot of truth in this sentence.

In business, I have seen a lot of times where fools are just overwhelmed and figure that things have always worked out for them in the past, so why wouldn't things work out again? They can not prepare for really bad shit happening so they follow orders and then blame other people when people get killed, or lots of money is wasted. They see their job as avoiding blame, not avoiding the bad things that require blame.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 03, 2021 02:44 PM (XsD6v)

241 Including police it's only 200k.
Posted by: Just a side note
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*shrugs*

Some people had to get paid somehow.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at September 03, 2021 02:44 PM (EKULy)

242 Wouldn't doubt many Afghan soldiers were on payroll but not in formation or even straw men and pay was picked up by commanders or company officerd

Posted by: Skip's Phone at September 03, 2021 02:44 PM (2JoB8)

243 Who makes those pants?

LOL yeah. Black guys always liked curvier women than white dudes back in the 70s and 80s but the cartoon butts women are packing now like an R Crumb drawing... that's new.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:44 PM (KZzsI)

244 The Taliban are now "The strong horse". Every rag tag band of hajji scum are going to flock to their banner now.

Even if they had no designs on expansion or hegemony outside of AFG... they will be sorely tempted in that direction.

Bactrian Empire 2.0 is gonna suck for everybody.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 03, 2021 02:44 PM (6FeV1)

245 Since I've been alive a "strong military" has been textbook conservatism. I don't believe in that anymore.

This problem doesn't get fixed with the "right" generals.

Conservatives always assume we can tame big government (like creating the Dept of Homeland Security) and that we're always going to be in power. Neither is true.

Small government across the board, I'd be happy with a military about the size of Canada's.

Posted by: Blago at September 03, 2021 02:44 PM (HtxJD)

246 Sounds to me we were running weapon to places other than Afghanistan.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 03, 2021 02:44 PM (2DOZq)

247 Fine. But then fucking destroy it. Thermite grenade on the carburetor. Thermite grenade in the breech.
Thermite grenade on the drone. Thermite grenades in the plane engines. Wrap the M4's and MG's around trees.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2021 02:42 PM (OCTRt)
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Yup. It seems wasteful to leave it behind instead of shipping it out - and it probably is, but then war is wasteful. I don't know the accounting, but I have no trouble believing that a lot of the stuff wasn't worth hauling back home only to surplus it.

But leaving it *functional* is beyond the pale

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 03, 2021 02:45 PM (3p5uk)

248 Saw some nice Japanese A5 Wagyu steaks at Costco today. $99.99 a pound. The one pack I took a picture of was going for $277.98. I will buy two next time we are there.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 03, 2021 02:45 PM (JUOKG)

249 Wouldn't doubt many Afghan soldiers were on payroll but not in formation or even straw men and pay was picked up by commanders or company officerd
Posted by: Skip's Phone at September 03, 2021 02:44 PM (2JoB

10,000 Mohamid Mohamid al Mohamids.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) reminds you at September 03, 2021 02:45 PM (yQpMk)

250 Fine. But then fucking destroy it. Thermite grenade on the carburetor. Thermite grenade in the breech.
Thermite grenade on the drone. Thermite grenades in the plane engines. Wrap the M4's and MG's around trees.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2021 02:42 PM (OCTRt)

Concur.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 03, 2021 02:46 PM (R/m4+)

251 449 The Fat Leonard scandal regarding the Navy gives a clue to our current military. Once again, contractors were to blame for corruption. I would not take a bet that US Army and other services along with civilians in the DOD offices have similar issues.

Makes those officers and civilians easy to control if needed.

Posted by: whig at September 03, 2021 02:46 PM (xunV5)

252 223 Including police it's only 200k.

Yeah but you gotta include the EPA and the Department of Multiculturalism and Diversity
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:40 PM (KZzsI)

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Yeah, but then you're at about 1.3 million.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at September 03, 2021 02:46 PM (CAJOC)

253 240 They wanted to get out as fast as possible, but have zero experience with logistics, no wisdom whatsoever, and a near-total lack of common sense.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Nope. Too many errors for it to be sloppy. And abandoning Bagram was discussed with Congress back in June.
The list of American allies was left, too
Sorry this is not ineptitude, it's purely deliberate and planned.

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2021 02:46 PM (ONvIw)

254 I don't know the accounting, but I have no trouble believing that a lot of the stuff wasn't worth hauling back home only to surplus it.

I think timeline was also a huge concern. It would have taken weeks to get all that stuff out to sea and ship it back home, but they wanted out NOW, NOW, NOW, so they can say they got it done super fast and ended the "longest war".

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:46 PM (KZzsI)

255 Small government across the board, I'd be happy with a military about the size of Canada's.

Posted by: Blago at September 03, 2021 02:44 PM (HtxJD)

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How the fuck are we supposed to make $25M a year then? You're talking crazy!!
- CEOs of Lockheed and Raytheon

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 03, 2021 02:46 PM (GQ5VU)

256 I expect GM will profit from building more Humvees.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at September 03, 2021 02:46 PM (xopIz)

257 Sorry this is not ineptitude, it's purely deliberate and planned.
Posted by: CN
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Yep.

Posted by: SMH - The War has been won, only the battles remain, as usual at September 03, 2021 02:47 PM (EKULy)

258 Mark Felton YouTube Channel had a bit about the Nuremburg hangman.

Felton also has a video of America's SS Renegades, traitors of World War II. Peter Delaney, Martin Monti. These guys did not get the death penalty, which surprises me.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at September 03, 2021 02:41 PM

The Japanese were about 10 times worse than the nazi's during WWII with war crimes and all of that stuff, but most of them killed themselves after the war was over so we didn't need too many trials there.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 03, 2021 02:47 PM (JUOKG)

259 One thing to remember is that the Joint Chiefs actually command no forces.

General Milley is the senior military advisor to the president. And as he is the senior officer in the armed services, everyone else has to call him sir. But he didn't close anything, or move any evacuation effort anywhere. That's on the president, the SecDef, and the Combatant Commander.

Still, I don't know why he doesn't resign. I would be too ashamed to keep serving, if I were him.

Posted by: JPS at September 03, 2021 02:47 PM (TqQ85)

260 Small government across the board, I'd be happy with a military about the size of Canada's.

Posted by: Blago at September 03, 2021 02:44 PM (HtxJD)

I'd be happy with less than that, accompanied by a massive reduction in our NATO obligations.

If we're just going to hand over weapons to the pipeline and cede pipelines and such to Russia and company, why not give isolationism a shot?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 03, 2021 02:48 PM (KbCG3)

261
Still, I don't know why he doesn't resign. I would be too ashamed to keep serving, if I were him.
Posted by: JPS at September 03, 2021 02:47 PM (TqQ85)

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He pretended he reads Ibrahim Kendi so he can learn about his white rage, on camera, to curry favor with a braindead pedophile.

He has no shame.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 03, 2021 02:49 PM (9sVFt)

262 The Worst Defeats in US Military History

Battle of Antietam (1862) The Battle of Antietam is the bloodiest single day battle in American history, with a combined tally of 22,717 dead, wounded, or missing. ...
Invasion of Canada (1812) ...
Operation Drumbeat (1941) ...
Battle of Bataan (1941-1942) ...
Battle of Kasserine Pass (1943)
Afghanistan (2021)

Posted by: James at September 03, 2021 02:49 PM (24+Vp)

263 They wanted to get out as fast as possible, but have zero experience with logistics, no wisdom whatsoever, and a near-total lack of common sense.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

I think there is a lot of truth in this sentence.

In business, I have seen a lot of times where fools are just overwhelmed and figure that things have always worked out for them in the past, so why wouldn't things work out again? They can not prepare for really bad shit happening so they follow orders and then blame other people when people get killed, or lots of money is wasted. They see their job as avoiding blame, not avoiding the bad things that require blame.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 03, 2021 02:44 PM

The State Department was running the evacuation show in Afghanistan. No experience and it showed, plus they over ruled the military quite often.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 03, 2021 02:49 PM (JUOKG)

264 245 Since I've been alive a "strong military" has been textbook conservatism. I don't believe in that anymore.

This problem doesn't get fixed with the "right" generals.

Conservatives always assume we can tame big government (like creating the Dept of Homeland Security) and that we're always going to be in power. Neither is true.

Small government across the board, I'd be happy with a military about the size of Canada's.

Posted by: Blago

There was a reason that the US after the Revolution was not keen on having a large standing army. Essentially, it becomes a tempting tool for those in power to act first and ask forgiveness later. Only in the Cold War aftermath starting with Korea did the US reverse course. Expecting a large government institution to resist outside societal pressures by the elite is not realistic in the long run.

Posted by: whig at September 03, 2021 02:49 PM (xunV5)

265 Woke Milley is probably more the symptom than the cause, but someone is telling this guy what to do.

Posted by: CppThis at September 03, 2021 02:49 PM (UewuT)

266 I expect GM will profit from building more Humvees.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at September 03, 2021 02:46 PM (xopIz)
........

Nah, Our military will just order a bunch of gay Raptors.

Posted by: wth at September 03, 2021 02:49 PM (v0R5T)

267 259

Hmm I always thought the joint chiefs was the boss of all the other heads of the military. Kinda like GM has a CEO and each division (Chevy, Buick, etc) having their own president. In this case each division being Army, Navy, AF, Marines.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 03, 2021 02:49 PM (GQ5VU)

268 If we're just going to hand over weapons to the pipeline and cede pipelines and such to Russia and company, why not give isolationism a shot?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 03, 2021 02:48 PM (KbCG3)
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You're kidding, right? First, you can't. You no longer have an industrial base to support that. Second, I don't want you to. For why that matters, see point #1.

Posted by: Xi Jinping at September 03, 2021 02:49 PM (3p5uk)

269 Milley's not a traitor. He's an easily manipulated mediocrity. That's what 4 stars are screened for.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at September 03, 2021 02:50 PM (V8JPv)

270 The only question that Congresscritters should ask Austin or the Joint Chiefs in hearings from now on is Do you resign?

Repeatedly, for as much time as each critter is permitted.

Posted by: ObeliskToucher at September 03, 2021 02:50 PM (DUu0q)

271 After the Nazi war criminals were hanged their naked corpses were sent in mislabeled coffins to the crematorium. Afterward their ashes were placed in unnamed plastic urns.
Their ashes were dumped in a river and the urns were destroyed.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at September 03, 2021 02:50 PM (cSyAR)

272 268 If we're just going to hand over weapons to the pipeline and cede pipelines and such to Russia and company, why not give isolationism a shot?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 03, 2021 02:48 PM (KbCG3)
++++
You're kidding, right? First, you can't. You no longer have an industrial base to support that. Second, I don't want you to. For why that matters, see point #1.
Posted by: Xi Jinping at September 03, 2021 02:49 PM (3p5uk)

D'oh!

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 03, 2021 02:51 PM (KbCG3)

273 Babylon Bee again dunks on the smear artists going after Ivermectin. Every time they tell the joke, I laugh.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 03, 2021 02:51 PM (ggASZ)

274 Posted by: whig at September 03, 2021 02:49 PM (xunV5)

All subsequent conflicts can be traced back to not taking out the USSR after WW2.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 03, 2021 02:51 PM (2DOZq)

275 if the democrats hated black people would they govern cities like chicago st louis and baltimore any different

Posted by: sound awake at September 03, 2021 02:52 PM (BQ5+M)

276 Milley objected to removing equipment from Afghanistan because it would cost too much"

Yeah, all of a sudden Democrats are trying to save a buck...

Posted by: casual observer 3079

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Are these idiots not familiar with the concept of "opportunity cost?"

You know, like the far greater cost (in facets more expensive than money) of actually having left it behind?

Posted by: ShainS -- Unauthorized Freedom Exhibitionist at September 03, 2021 02:52 PM (dWj6f)

277 No consequences. But if 500 thousand firearms were stolen in WA state the potential fine at $10k per firearm would be $5Billion.

Posted by: Rex B at September 03, 2021 02:52 PM (9gmOi)

278 The State Department was running the evacuation show in Afghanistan. No experience and it showed, plus they over ruled the military quite often.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 03, 2021 02:49 PM (JUOKG)

So Blinkin is a big player here. State betrays the nation. Why does Blinky help the Islamists? Well, he's big Obama guy and helped with the Iran treachery. Iran now has US weapons. I don't understand why a MOT would help Islamists, but he's not the only one on the Iran deal mess.

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2021 02:52 PM (ONvIw)

279 Babylon Bee again dunks on the smear artists going after Ivermectin.

Malkin's piece on that was triumphant

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:53 PM (KZzsI)

280 All subsequent conflicts can be traced back to not taking out the USSR after WW2.
Posted by: Just a side note at September 03, 2021 02:51 PM (2DOZq)

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I hear this a lot, why didn't we take out the commies? Well because I doubt many Americans were itching to fight another war after the brutality of WW2 had just taken place.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 03, 2021 02:53 PM (GQ5VU)

281
I can't wrap my brain around generals flatly refusing to obey Trump but then being afraid to challenge fungus brain.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at September 03, 2021 02:17 PM (cSyAR)

Besides the focused Trump-hatred, American generals/admirals have a really annoying history of blowing off higher authority and only following the orders they feel like following.

That's not just an American failing either. Put stars on a soldier's epaulets and he starts thinking he's God.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 03, 2021 02:53 PM (n+4am)

282 Milley's not a traitor. He's an easily manipulated mediocrity. That's what 4 stars are screened for.
==============

This may be true, but even so he should be treated as a traitor. Pour encourager les autres.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 03, 2021 02:53 PM (ggASZ)

283 if the democrats hated black people would they govern cities like chicago st louis and baltimore any different

If Democrats thought blacks were subhuman, how would their attitude about voter ID, welfare, and "helping out" be any different?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:54 PM (KZzsI)

284 Bob Boone, Washington Nationals VP, resigns rather than get forced jab.

I remember when he played for the Phillies, he was a cutie

that was a long time ago. But he still looks good for his age.

Posted by: kallisto at September 03, 2021 02:54 PM (DJFLF)

285 275 if the democrats hated black people would they govern cities like chicago st louis and baltimore any different
Posted by: sound awake at September 03, 2021 02:52 PM (BQ5+M)

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Yeah, like Detroit. Oh wait.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 03, 2021 02:54 PM (GQ5VU)

286 262 James, the issue is that Afghanistan and Vietnam before it appear to be strategic defeats rather than tactical.

The War of 1812 was viewed in hindsight as America's 2nd Revolution, the setbacks in WWII have to be viewed in the light of overall victory in a very large war as was Antietam.

Both Afghanistan and Vietnam had repercussions beyond the borders of the US and Vietnam also had a factor in a major change in US foreign and military policy going forward for decades and had implications in the forthcoming Iran crisis and in Latin America.

Afghanistan, it is too early to tell exactly what will happen.

Posted by: whig at September 03, 2021 02:54 PM (xunV5)

287 The State Department was running the evacuation show in Afghanistan.
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Not according to Sleepy Joe. He claimed he followed the advice of his military people. His Military people did not contradict that statement. Where's the leak of information saying that the state department insisted on abandoning Bagram and equipt. You have Miley testifying BEFORE the fact that Baghram wasn't necessary.

Posted by: that just doesn't add up at September 03, 2021 02:54 PM (wRT7A)

288 >>> How much of that equipment is already in CHYna and how much will end up there?

Just the high tech stuff.

The small arms will be sold to terrorists world wide, further funding the taliban.

There are some people in federal prison that should appeal their conviction based on the taliban being our allies, now.

Posted by: fluffy at September 03, 2021 02:54 PM (UnQlg)

289 I hear this a lot, why didn't we take out the commies? Well because I doubt many Americans were itching to fight another war after the brutality of WW2 had just taken place.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at September 03, 2021 02:53 PM (GQ5VU)

No they weren't but many in the know saw the future consequences if we didn't. At the minimum we should not have conceded to Stalin's demands.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 03, 2021 02:55 PM (2DOZq)

290 There are some people in federal prison that should appeal their conviction based on the taliban being our allies, now.
Posted by: fluffy at September 03, 2021 02:54 PM (UnQlg)

__

We're on it.

Posted by: ACLU at September 03, 2021 02:55 PM (GQ5VU)

291 Well, he's big Obama guy and helped with the Iran treachery.

this was all done to help Iran.

and china too

Posted by: kallisto at September 03, 2021 02:56 PM (DJFLF)

292 Does Flight Simulator have a C-130?

Posted by: Mohammad Mohammad Mohammad at September 03, 2021 02:56 PM (SmFPm)

293 There were pictures of equipment being hauled off to Iran, maybe China

Posted by: Skip at September 03, 2021 02:56 PM (2JoB8)

294 @275...the Democratic Party's defining characteristic, since its inception, is the oppression and exploitation of African-Americans. Tactics have changed through the generations, but taking advantage of African-Americans to gain and maintain power has not.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at September 03, 2021 02:56 PM (V8JPv)

295 Which one of you did this?

https://tinyurl.com/d688bv5h

Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at September 03, 2021 02:56 PM (mf5HN)

296 if the democrats hated black people would they govern cities like chicago st louis and baltimore any different

We want power. Those are votes. Beyond that fact, we could care less how they live.

Posted by: Democrats at September 03, 2021 02:57 PM (ggASZ)

297 Four years or so, the will to victory begins to flag in a republic because of costs, casualties, and the inevitable need for taxes to pay for the waste.

Plus, the US population in WWII was more or less indoctrinated that the Soviets were our friends by Hollywood, successful press, businesses, and friends in academia and society. See Messenger to Moscow if you want a flavor of the times. Ditto in the UK btw.

Posted by: whig at September 03, 2021 02:57 PM (xunV5)

298 Bob Boone, Washington Nationals VP, resigns rather than get forced jab./i]

Dang, guy really knows baseball, from a rich history of baseball in his family. Big loss for the Nats, but they just traded Scherzer, so I don't think they really want to win anyway.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:57 PM (KZzsI)

299 The State Department was running the evacuation show in Afghanistan. No experience and it showed, plus they over ruled the military quite often.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 03, 2021 02:49 PM (JUOKG)

The state department is another nest of vipers that needs to be burned to the ground.

Posted by: Beartooth at September 03, 2021 02:57 PM (UVMn8)

300 Seattle Pike's Place Market.

Nude dude waggles his dingus at the public.

NSFWish due to nude buttocks.

https://bit.ly/3BL1e8N

Posted by: bonhomme at September 03, 2021 02:57 PM (UW2ZS)

301 Has Biden received and answered any honest questions?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at September 03, 2021 02:58 PM (cSyAR)

302 Diplomats are necessary but should be treated the same as actors and prostitutes.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 02:58 PM (KZzsI)

303 Which one of you did this?

https://tinyurl.com/d688bv5h
Posted by: alexthechick

Not me. My bobcat was only a couple of pounds. Not 80.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2021 02:58 PM (OCTRt)

304 Still, I don't know why he doesn't resign. I would be too ashamed to keep serving, if I were him.
Posted by: JPS at September 03, 2021 02:47 PM (TqQ85)

Do you think that stuffed turd has a healthy concept of self respect?

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at September 03, 2021 02:59 PM (y7DUB)

305 JoeXiDen, 267:

"I always thought the joint chiefs was the boss of all the other heads of the military."

No, he's sort of first among equals. He has no command authority over them, nor over the CentCom Commander. He just has a great deal of sway with the President and SecDef, as they all do.

Posted by: JPS at September 03, 2021 02:59 PM (TqQ85)

306 The Worst Defeats in US Military History

Battle of Antietam (1862) The Battle of Antietam is the bloodiest single day battle in American history, with a combined tally of 22,717 dead, wounded, or missing. ...
Invasion of Canada (1812) ...
Operation Drumbeat (1941) ...
Battle of Bataan (1941-1942) ...
Battle of Kasserine Pass (1943)
Afghanistan (2021)

Posted by: James at September 03, 2021 02:49 PM (24+Vp)

My Dad went into Kasserine Pass as an M-3 tank commander and walked out minus his driver. He was a professional. Loved Patton and Ike.

Posted by: Javems at September 03, 2021 03:00 PM (cYqZO)

307 To continue, fighting wars endlessly eventually even grinds down totalitarian regimes--see Iran v. Iraq for example or the twenty year civil war in Lebanon.

Posted by: whig at September 03, 2021 03:00 PM (xunV5)

308 Has the media written anything about the stress mean people are causing Milley?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at September 03, 2021 03:00 PM (cSyAR)

309 My guess is that there will be a lot of terrorism plans over the next year. On US soil. They want to show that they are back in business and recruit for their civilization.

We are in for tough times. That will be the mail fallout from this.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 03, 2021 03:01 PM (XsD6v)

310 Has Biden received and answered any honest questions?
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Mr. President can you tell us, what has enchanted you the most about serving in office so far?

Posted by: Paid Fluffer at September 03, 2021 03:01 PM (KiAAq)

311 Saw some nice Japanese A5 Wagyu steaks at Costco today. $99.99 a pound. The one pack I took a picture of was going for $277.98. I will buy two next time we are there.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at September 03, 2021 02:45 PM (JUOKG)

My local meat market has Wagyu, and it's about $30 cheaper per/lb than that. In CA. I got some of the prime caps (rolled steak) for $60/lb, and damn. I could get used to that. I don't know if/how it's graded there, didn't ask. I figure if they've been in biz over 95 years they're doing something right.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at September 03, 2021 03:01 PM (wAnMi)

312 To continue, fighting wars endlessly eventually even grinds down totalitarian regimes--see Iran v. Iraq for example or the twenty year civil war in Lebanon.
Posted by: whig at September 03, 2021 03:00 PM (xunV5

Yes but at the time we had something no one else had to end wars. And we still caved to Stalin's demands.

Posted by: Just a side note at September 03, 2021 03:01 PM (2DOZq)

313 Seattle Pike's Place Market.
Nude dude waggles his dingus at the public.
NSFWish due to nude buttocks.
https://bit.ly/3BL1e8N
Posted by: bonhomme at September 03, 2021 02:57 PM (UW2ZS)

Looks like Hunter needs a haircut...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 03, 2021 03:02 PM (R/m4+)

314 The state department is another nest of vipers that needs to be burned to the ground.
Posted by: Beartooth at September 03, 2021 02:57 PM (UVMn

Blinken has lots of experience, all in for the wrong side, though. Believes in the "Iran deal" and bringing back Shapiro underscores this in red.

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2021 03:02 PM (ONvIw)

315 Posted by: alexthechick - boobs and hysteria at September 03, 2021 02:56 PM (mf5HN)

can't even imagine what the cougar's apartment smelled like

Posted by: kallisto at September 03, 2021 03:02 PM (DJFLF)

316 I would love to have a cougar, big kitty. But I know that some day it would try to eat me or attack me out of anger. Wild animals only temporarily are unwild. It takes generations of domesticity for the tameness to become inherent.

That's the problem with Foxes right now. I want a fox for a pet more than almost anything else in this world. But they are timid and wild, and just not ready for pet status yet. Maybe in 75-100 years.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 03:02 PM (KZzsI)

317 Everybody on this thread owes General Milley an apology.

Posted by: Simon Ataba at September 03, 2021 03:03 PM (mNhhD)

318 Alberta is getting a masque mandate again tomorrow.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at September 03, 2021 03:03 PM (cSyAR)

319 Do you think that stuffed turd has a healthy concept of self respect?
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at September 03, 2021 02:59 PM (y7DUB)

Probably promised a "book deal", a lot of people have been selling out the country for freshly laundered cash.

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2021 03:03 PM (ONvIw)

320 Alberta is getting a masque mandate again tomorrow./i]

Albertans need to get better government that better represents them. Its a conservative place, why is their government so often a pack of idiots?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 03:04 PM (KZzsI)

321 Speaking of poor decisions . . .

https://bit.ly/3yJMtAQ
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at September 03, 2021 02:30 PM (d9FiS)

Peter Venkman: What happened here?

Doorman: Eh...Some moron brought a cougar to a party and it went berserk.

Posted by: Sponge - Michael Byrd MURDERED Ashli Babbitt at September 03, 2021 03:04 PM (Zz0t1)

322 Nood

Posted by: Blutarski at September 03, 2021 03:04 PM (9s7GK)

323 can't even imagine what the cougar's apartment smelled like
Posted by: kallisto

High school boys sweat.
Wait. Wrong cougar.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2021 03:04 PM (OCTRt)

324 NOOD NFL

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 03, 2021 03:04 PM (3p5uk)

325 Oh , and for those keeping track of such things, Shapiro just left West Exec Advisors to help with "Iran deal"

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2021 03:05 PM (ONvIw)

326 Would be super hard to stop a male cougar from whizzing all over the place.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 03:05 PM (KZzsI)

327 Doorman: Eh...Some moron brought a cougar to a party and it went berserk.
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I hate when that happens...

Posted by: When cougars run wild at September 03, 2021 03:05 PM (6zlO7)

328 316 I would love to have a cougar, big kitty. But I know that some day it would try to eat me or attack me out of anger. Wild animals only temporarily are unwild. It takes generations of domesticity for the tameness to become inherent.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 03, 2021 03:02 PM (KZzsI)

Come On Man! Big cats are adorable and docile; what could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Zombie Roy Horn at September 03, 2021 03:07 PM (UewuT)

329 Islam is constantly portrayed as being compassionate and caring, but I have heard nothing about resettling anyone in an Islamic country.

Posted by: Ron at September 03, 2021 03:07 PM (pOrFv)

330 329 Islam is constantly portrayed as being compassionate and caring, but I have heard nothing about resettling anyone in an Islamic country.
Posted by: Ron at September 03, 2021 03:07 PM (pOrFv)

They have their own jihadists, the goal is to send them to Western nations in order to destroy us. That BS also has Obama fingerprints on it.

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2021 03:09 PM (ONvIw)

331 312 Just a side note,
The issue to drop nuclear weapons on the USSR post WWII would have seemed like betrayal of an ally to a lot of even the Western world and would have produced significant upheaval. At the time, even China had not fallen. To the US public, the Eastern European countries, by and large, had repressive fascist governments before the war and repressive Communist puppet governments after the war. Felt sorry for them but little support to make them democratic. There was a reason that Republicans won Congress in 46 and it was because they promised to roll back war regulations at home and return to normalcy.

There was also no appetite in the British or American public nor even in Congress whatsoever to fighting new wars abroad.

Posted by: whig at September 03, 2021 03:11 PM (xunV5)

332 214 The one thing I could never figure out during Obama's term was why they were so freaking desperate to make a deal with Iran. No matter my theories, it never made sense.

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Because it was a massive graft scheme. There are several layers of under the table deals to determine where the money gets spent. Ultimately, this is how our politicians get rich while in office; it all eventually circles back to them after being laundered a few times. This is also why we give so much "aid" to people who hate our fucking guts.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at September 03, 2021 03:15 PM (h1jJh)

333 @AngryBlackLady
Gentle reminder: it's not only women who need abortions.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks..

I rate this as true .many men don't want the kid.which makes them big supporters

Posted by: willow at September 03, 2021 03:16 PM (2frzx)

334 Fine post. But the text says 64000 humvees were left, while the infographic just below that para says 22000. Unless I'm misreading.

Posted by: jason farnon at September 03, 2021 03:19 PM (Gix6H)

335 Is it possible that their idea of rendering the vehicles and aircraft "unusable" consisted of pulling the spark plug wires.

Posted by: 10th MTN Vet at September 03, 2021 03:23 PM (I9vIC)

336 Posted by: Lemmiwinks at September 03, 2021 03:15 PM (h1jJh)

He's an Islamist. He wouldn't need the money

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2021 03:32 PM (ONvIw)

337 Scrub on aisle 86 requested.

Posted by: irongrampa at September 03, 2021 04:11 PM (KATBx)

338 you can't say "humiliation" without saying "Milley"
Try it.

Posted by: john at September 03, 2021 04:46 PM (T2wkl)

339 I'm just curious as to when we annexed Afghanistan. (Well, Bagram Airfield WAS called Bagram Air Force Base in this article. It's a fair question.)

Posted by: Snake Spirit at September 03, 2021 05:05 PM (ITrC8)

340 True story. On my word as a simpleton.

Today, after work, I took my usual stroll back home down Sesame Street, and I noticed someone I hadn't seen before. I was going to go introduce myself, because it's always fun to meet new people. Before I could get there, though, I saw him throw some trash on the ground and heard him yell racial slurs at Oscar. Then he kicked several puppies, and threw some kids' bikes over the bridge with a litany of obscenities. Finally, he ran up to Grover and shanked him with homemade shiv.

I finally caught up to him to ask him what his problem was, and wouldn't ya' know it, he was wearing a Biden/Harris shirt.

I guess it's a sad reflection on the world to say I wasn't surprised. I slowly shook my head and walked off. I guess a part of me probably already suspected why he was the way he was.

Posted by: Simple Stevo at September 03, 2021 05:16 PM (zRSRE)

341 Could not agree with this most. The man, and others, need to be tried, convicted, and if it can be proved they did this willfully, EXECUTED.

THAT will encourage the others to be better.

Posted by: jocon307 at September 03, 2021 06:24 PM (HYa+m)

342 Could they have at least taken the keys to the vehicles?

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