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North Texas Hospital Will Soon Use Vaccination Status to Decide If You're Worth an ICU Bed
This would be an addition to the rules of triage -- who gets medical resources when medical resources are scant.
But usually those considerations are limited to questions of, for example, the chances of a patient dying even if he gets medical care, or the chances he will live if he doesn't get care. In other words: based on the actual likely impact of care. If medical resources are scant, the guy with a broken foot will have to wait in the ER until the guy with the gunshot wound has been stabilized. And the guy with a massive gunshot wound may be treated after a guy with a much lighter gunshot wound -- if the doctors decide that the odds of saving the guy with the massive wound are fairly low, but the odds of saving the guy with the lighter wound are high. Tough decisions, but note they're all based on considerations about likelihood of survival or death. That will no longer be the case in one North Texas hospital. This new rewrite of the rules of triage seem to purely punitive and based on Middle Class Karen moral/political/social judgements. Triage nurses will no longer be evaluating patients' chances of survival or death with or without medical treatment; it shifts the rules of triage to being about bureaucrats' notions of who acted morally and got the vaccine, and those who acted immorally and did not get it.North Texas doctors have quietly developed a plan that seeks to prepare for the possibility that due to the COVID-19 surge the region will run out of intensive-care beds. If that happens, for the first time, doctors officially will be allowed to take vaccination status of sick patients into account along with other triage factors to see who gets a bed. A copy of an internal memo written by Dr. Robert Fine, co-chair of the North Texas Mass Critical Care Guideline Task Force, was sent to members of the task force -- and leaked to The Watchdog. It summarizes the latest work by the task force, a volunteer group that periodically updates medical guidelines for hospitals in our region. There are about 50 members from various hospitals in the group. Although their recommendations are not enforceable, the guidelines are generally followed. The one-page summary memo is a “heads up” alert in the event things get worse, says Dr. Mark Casanova, director of clinical ethics for Baylor University Medical Center and a spokesperson for the task force. After Monday’s meeting, doctors had yet to make plans to inform the public. “We’re trying to decide how to explain this addition to the public,” Casanova said. But after studying the memo and interviewing doctors involved in the decision for two hours this week, The Watchdog can explain it to you. Although doctors make triage decisions all the time, the proposed guideline addition is significant. Casanova predicted that if this change were copied by others medical care, for as long as the crisis persists, “is going to look and feel different for everybody who is alive right now in the United States of America.” Yet a leading medical ethicist who studies how COVID-19 affects communities says he worries that adding vaccination status to the triage of patients will unfairly harm low-income people and people of color. These groups are historically disadvantaged when it comes to obtaining proper medical care.Although medical ethicists question such a huge shift in triage, away from medical questions towards moral, political ones, one commentator sees no reason for such questions: Noted Conservative/Libertarian Thinker AllahPundit, who is on-board, once again, with any punitive measure imposed by those in power to take away people's freedom of choice.
why shouldn’t a grandma who got her shots lose a bed to someone who convinced themselves that the vaccine has a microchip in it https://t.co/H9FGR7qRon
— Allahpundit (@allahpundit) August 19, 2021
Ask your neighbors what kind of medical care fussy, low-T shut-ins should get. https://t.co/liynCGVuDE
— David Reaboi, Late Republic Nonsense (@davereaboi) August 19, 2021
8 Hey how about this as a triage consideration- whether you're a f***ing U.S. citizen or not? Because North Texas ICU's and pediatric ICU's are being overrun by people who aren't even citizens. Texas has experienced and epidemic of pediatric RSV cases that are overwhelming those wards. Posted by: Marcus TYeah, you know which way Mr. Anti-Authoritarian is going to swing on that one. Recall that just earlier this week, Allahpundit called for Greg Abbot to be denied an ICU bed, even though he's vaccinated, due to Abbot's opposition to a vaccine mandate and forced masking. Noted Conservative Thinkfluencer AllahPundit immediately spat out Democrat-Underground-level death wishes:
@allahpundit apologies if the tweet below came off as sarcastic. i didn't mean it to be. i don't blame abbott for the lack of icu beds (although he really should lift his ban on vaccine mandates). but beds really are scarily scarce in austin now ..."I really didn't mean 'ha-ha, Abbot gets what he deserves' but when you think about it, isn't Abbot getting what he deserves? He disagrees with my performative panic after all!" Given that KarenPundit is just pleased as punch that hospitals might start denying care based on socio-political preferences, does anyone believe his bullshit walkback of his death wish?
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(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, The Suicide Squad review at August 19, 2021 05:10 PM (XvPQV)
Posted by: SARDiver at August 19, 2021 05:11 PM (s0DTB)
Posted by: Joe Mama at August 19, 2021 05:11 PM (WmGrA)
Posted by: Joe Biden at August 19, 2021 05:11 PM (M+Lyo)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, The Suicide Squad review at August 19, 2021 05:11 PM (XvPQV)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 19, 2021 05:11 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: MJ at August 19, 2021 05:12 PM (zwDuR)
Texas has experienced and epidemic of pediatric RSV cases that are overwhelming those wards.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 05:12 PM (kbvR/)
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at August 19, 2021 05:13 PM (PiwSw)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 19, 2021 05:13 PM (z4k8L)
Posted by: Czech Chick at August 19, 2021 05:13 PM (haWye)
Posted by: Joe Mama at August 19, 2021 05:13 PM (WmGrA)
Posted by: lizabth at August 19, 2021 05:13 PM (L3Rsz)
Posted by: I mean at August 19, 2021 05:14 PM (PIZfF)
It is your truth.
Posted by: Czech Chick at August 19, 2021 05:13 PM (haWye)
Sadly, I think hospitals are one of the few places that CAN access your medical records without violating HIPPAA regs
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, The Suicide Squad review at August 19, 2021 05:14 PM (XvPQV)
Posted by: steevy at August 19, 2021 05:14 PM (uUDKV)
Posted by: Seems legit at August 19, 2021 05:14 PM (Yoy2t)
Posted by: Mean Tweets at August 19, 2021 05:14 PM (vGJY7)
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 05:15 PM (kbvR/)
Posted by: Jmel at August 19, 2021 05:15 PM (bVhJi)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 19, 2021 05:13 PM (z4k8L)
I always wondered where the abortionists were when they covered that in medical school....
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at August 19, 2021 05:15 PM (PiwSw)
Alternate post title: Texas Hospital Decides To Use Tik-Tok Goblins To Tell Them How To Run Their Hospital
Posted by: Soothsayer is a Movie Critic, Now! at August 19, 2021 05:15 PM (f9z5j)
Posted by: A talking head at August 19, 2021 05:15 PM (Tnijr)
Posted by: Some Rat in the swamp at August 19, 2021 05:15 PM (r1z5A)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 19, 2021 05:15 PM (z4k8L)
Posted by: t-bird at August 19, 2021 05:15 PM (AytXr)
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 05:16 PM (kbvR/)
Posted by: Miklos, swearing an oath or two at August 19, 2021 05:16 PM (QzkSJ)
Black Texans, who make up about 13% of the state population, account for about 6% of people vaccinated.
Posted by: rhennigantx at August 19, 2021 05:16 PM (yrol0)
Posted by: redridinghood at August 19, 2021 05:16 PM (NpAcC)
Posted by: Jmel at August 19, 2021 05:15 PM (bVhJi)
Like, what are you talking about?
Posted by: Wine Moms at August 19, 2021 05:16 PM (ACi07)
Posted by: Tami at August 19, 2021 05:16 PM (cF8AT)
What's next: "Hospitals" and "nurses" will decide your medical priority on Who You Voted For??
Why, yes! That's exactly what's next.
Posted by: Soothsayer is a Movie Critic, Now! at August 19, 2021 05:16 PM (f9z5j)
Medical lynching of Blacks. You KNEW the Left was racist at heart. This just proves it.
Posted by: lizabth
Money quote:
"That excludes the vulnerable poor and people of color, he says. Those groups have received poorer health care, in general, than richer, white communities. They also suffer from lower vaccination rates due to a variety of factors such as lack of transportation and distrust of medical authorities."
Posted by: Joe Mama at August 19, 2021 05:16 PM (WmGrA)
Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2021 05:16 PM (znIQ9)
I still say the IC released the wuflu in China.
It has been too useful to be accidental.
Posted by: davidt at August 19, 2021 05:16 PM (LwWX1)
Look, there's "gay," and then there's "really gay," and then there's "Liberace," and then there's "conservative media scribbler."
It's the queerest scene there is. Community theater troupes in Greenwich Village are straighter and more masculine than ConInc.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 19, 2021 05:16 PM (rZA2o)
This is not denying someone who has tested positive for a scary infectious disease, simply someone who has not gotten a vaccine against it -- will they expand this to those not vaxxed against measles, chicken pox, mumps, rubella, TB. . ?
Further, since when is my visit to the hospital about other people's health/risk assessment? If I am sick or injured, my priority is me. And if I don't have, say, recent exposure to Ebola then who the hell cares if a nurse or fellow patient is frightened I might have cooties.
Guilty until proven innocent is now also: infectious until proven clean.
W
T
F
Posted by: Lizzy at August 19, 2021 05:16 PM (bDqIh)
Posted by: steevy at August 19, 2021 05:17 PM (uUDKV)
Posted by: I mean at August 19, 2021 05:17 PM (PIZfF)
Posted by: MJ at August 19, 2021 05:12 PM
In Afro-Centric America, I doubt the rules will apply to them.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 19, 2021 05:17 PM (8akOE)
Posted by: Zek's Covid Recovered Ass at August 19, 2021 05:18 PM (dEaub)
This has always been the endgame for government-run healthcare. Elites get it, deplorables don't.
I'm willing to bet when Sarah Palin is near her end, she won't be able to find anyone in any public hospital or facility that will help her. Just one example.
Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at August 19, 2021 05:18 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 19, 2021 05:13 PM (z4k8L)
I always wondered where the abortionists were when they covered that in medical school....
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at August 19, 2021 05:15 PM (PiwSw)
I thought the Hippocratic Oath had been ditched not too long ago because it was from Some Dead White Guy. Also, it interferes with Lamborghini shopping or something.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 19, 2021 05:18 PM (ACi07)
- Allahpundit (@allahpundit) August 19, 2021
Has EeyorePundit suffered a massive stroke?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 19, 2021 05:18 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: olddog in mo, Pontoon Captain* (like a real captain, only drunker) at August 19, 2021 05:18 PM (ju2Fy)
He's so obsessed with vaccines, and has openly called for other extreme measures such as denying seniors theor SS payments until vaxxed.
Holy Sh#r this is dark.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 19, 2021 05:19 PM (bDqIh)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 19, 2021 05:19 PM (2JVJo)
Shiny new hotness: Prejudicial Oath
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 05:19 PM (kbvR/)
Ivermectin, D3, C (powder has better absorption,,
Quercetin, Zinc, Melatonin.
You do NOT want to go to the hospital.
They will give you shit that will kill you.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at August 19, 2021 05:19 PM (xopIz)
Posted by: Miklos, off the cuff at August 19, 2021 05:19 PM (QzkSJ)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 19, 2021 05:19 PM (yQpMk)
I just remembered that for some reason.
Posted by: Methos at August 19, 2021 05:19 PM (kOpft)
Posted by: t-bird at August 19, 2021 05:19 PM (l0Lgi)
Posted by: dartist at August 19, 2021 05:19 PM (+ya+t)
Posted by: Curly Shuffle at August 19, 2021 05:19 PM (TNyrE)
Posted by: Joe Mama
WhoooHoooo! I'm Black!
Posted by: Some Rat in the swamp at August 19, 2021 05:20 PM (r1z5A)
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 19, 2021 05:17 PM (8akOE)
Afro-Centric (with extra Jew Hating) America
But mostly Jew Hating
WOKEKANDA
Posted by: rhennigantx at August 19, 2021 05:20 PM (yrol0)
Posted by: Eternity Matters at August 19, 2021 05:20 PM (MTm8X)
Posted by: President Select Decaf at August 19, 2021 05:20 PM (RMGKK)
Posted by: olddog in mo, Pontoon Captain* (like a real captain, only drunker) at August 19, 2021 05:18 PM (ju2Fy)
Fuck Hildago and Sheila Jackson Lee
Posted by: rhennigantx at August 19, 2021 05:21 PM (yrol0)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 19, 2021 05:21 PM (ICl2b)
Yup. And they count you as "Died from covid".
Posted by: Methos at August 19, 2021 05:21 PM (kOpft)
now we should do gays an aids
Posted by: confederatefifth at August 19, 2021 05:21 PM (AnQMZ)
Texas has experienced and epidemic of pediatric RSV cases that are overwhelming those wards.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 05:12 PM (kbvR/)
No shit. And by the way, dickheads, *I* actually have medical insurance. Guess that doesn't count for anything?
Posted by: Jordan61, I am the 10% at August 19, 2021 05:21 PM (Ez6QX)
Posted by: blaster (mbFEM) at August 19, 2021 05:21 PM (mbFEM)
Are you registered to vote?
Republican, Democrat, or Indep?
Who did you vote for in the last election?
Name of person who can verify
What is the nature of your emergency?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 19, 2021 05:21 PM (OoCxN)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at August 19, 2021 05:21 PM (z5Vrg)
Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at August 19, 2021 05:21 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Old Blue at August 19, 2021 05:21 PM (VNmG1)
Posted by: Boswell at August 19, 2021 05:21 PM (5iUNf)
Not that that matters anymore.
Posted by: (jV+aN) President Orange Man Bad (Rheees Be Upon Him) at August 19, 2021 05:22 PM (jV+aN)
I just remembered that for some reason.
Posted by: Methos at August 19, 2021 05:19 PM (kOpft)
Denzel. John Q.
Posted by: Jordan61, I am the 10% at August 19, 2021 05:22 PM (Ez6QX)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 19, 2021 05:22 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Liberty at August 19, 2021 05:22 PM (hIx5U)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 19, 2021 05:21 PM (ICl2b)
rolling down the highway
Posted by: rhennigantx at August 19, 2021 05:22 PM (yrol0)
Anyone remember the outcry over the price of narcan? The drug used for ODing heroin addicts? And heroin is illegal, but we expect all first responders to have narcan for them. (I say we need more deterrents to drug use and that was a good one.)
And it could apply to a lot of legal destructive behavior. We see these skateboard and parkour video now. Or I remember reading about a strong man competition where the dude kept blowing out his tendons and getting them fixed on medicare (in US.)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 19, 2021 05:22 PM (0klsm)
OK, let's play this game, because this is where it goes, fast:
why shouldn't a grandma who got her shots lose a bed to someone who _______________
weights 350+ pounds
smokes
has AIDS
was injured doing extreme sports and knew the risk
is not a US citizen
who is deemed "privileged" while grandma is deemed "oppressed"
Posted by: Lizzy at August 19, 2021 05:22 PM (bDqIh)
All of these scumbags are evil fucking assholes.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 19, 2021 05:22 PM (GOGEo)
Posted by: confederatefifth at August 19, 2021 05:22 PM (AnQMZ)
Quercetin, Zinc, Melatonin.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at August 19, 2021 05:19
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Assuming you're taking these, what Mg's?
Posted by: olddog in mo, Pontoon Captain* (like a real captain, only drunker) at August 19, 2021 05:22 PM (ju2Fy)
Posted by: rhennigantx at August 19, 2021 05:22 PM (yrol0)
Now that's a better earworm!
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at August 19, 2021 05:23 PM (PiwSw)
Posted by: Some Rat in the swamp at August 19, 2021 05:23 PM (r1z5A)
Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at August 19, 2021 05:21 PM (L2ZTs)
Probably more productive to write a letter to the owner of his employer. Why the hell they are letting this flaming liberal spearhead a supposedly conservative news site is beyond my understanding.
Posted by: Liberty at August 19, 2021 05:23 PM (hIx5U)
That the spokx came on Bret's show specifically tells you where Bret sits, who his friends are.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at August 19, 2021 05:23 PM (RMGKK)
Posted by: Seems legit at August 19, 2021 05:23 PM (Yoy2t)
Posted by: olddog in mo, Pontoon Captain* (like a real captain, only drunker) at August 19, 2021 05:22 PM (ju2Fy)
MG 25 or 28 best
Posted by: rhennigantx at August 19, 2021 05:24 PM (yrol0)
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 05:24 PM (kbvR/)
--
They'll be excluded. They don't have rides or something to get vaxxed.
This is death panels thinking. They decide if you deserve treatment based on their criteria. It's that simple.
Posted by: Lady in Black at August 19, 2021 05:24 PM (O+I8R)
Posted by: Jmel at August 19, 2021 05:15 PM (bVhJi)
Remember the old story about the peasant who, when granted a wish, was told that whatever he asked for, his neighbor would get double? The man asked for one of his eyes to be taken out.
Some of these fuckers will scream when they are on the short end of the stick, but until then, they will rub themselves raw at every story of a Trumpkin anti-vaxxer getting denied care.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 19, 2021 05:24 PM (2JVJo)
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 05:24 PM (kbvR/)
Sacrilege.
Posted by: Georgia at August 19, 2021 05:24 PM (hIx5U)
Posted by: Wally at August 19, 2021 05:24 PM (LHpt3)
Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at August 19, 2021 05:24 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at August 19, 2021 05:23 PM (PiwSw)
Canadian earworms are moar gentle
Posted by: rhennigantx at August 19, 2021 05:25 PM (yrol0)
Posted by: Joe Mama at August 19, 2021 05:25 PM (WmGrA)
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 05:25 PM (kbvR/)
Hey, Allahpundit, your granny is wasting limited resources.
She's lived her life, and her current contribution is no match against this political staffer, this college professor, or my friend/relative who'd really like care ASAP.
Posted by: Zeke Emanuel at August 19, 2021 05:25 PM (bDqIh)
Posted by: Ben Had at August 19, 2021 05:25 PM (gqCom)
Posted by: Boswell
I imagine they are studying NZ/Oz with a great deal of interest.
Posted by: Some Rat in the swamp at August 19, 2021 05:26 PM (r1z5A)
Posted by: North Texas General at August 19, 2021 05:26 PM (pbStR)
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 05:25 PM (kbvR/)
I hope they all fucking croak.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 19, 2021 05:26 PM (ICl2b)
Off for a barley pop.
Later, folks.
Posted by: Joe Mama at August 19, 2021 05:25 PM (WmGrA)
I am on #4 slacker
Posted by: rhennigantx at August 19, 2021 05:26 PM (yrol0)
Posted by: MJ at August 19, 2021 05:12 PM (zwDuR)
-------------------
They haven't exactly thought this through, have they? More proof of the expertise of the expert class.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at August 19, 2021 05:26 PM (RMGKK)
Posted by: Orson at August 19, 2021 05:26 PM (KBs7U)
Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at August 19, 2021 05:26 PM (oWBc3)
Posted by: Wally at August 19, 2021 05:27 PM (LHpt3)
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 05:24 PM (kbvR/)
Sacrilege.
Posted by: Georgia
Piker.
Posted by: Palisade at August 19, 2021 05:27 PM (WmGrA)
Posted by: Boswell at August 19, 2021 05:21 PM (5iUNf)
Paying a substantial federal cash bounty to local LE and 'health officials,' who have somehow allowed themselves to slip into the role of some grotesques American version of the local Gestapo, is what has driven this profoundly subhuman behavior - everyone involved ought to be thoroughly and morally ashamed of themselves and their co-workers - but apparently money IS the root of all evil - who knew?
Posted by: Boswell at August 19, 2021 05:27 PM (5iUNf)
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 05:25 PM (kbvR/)
Give-O-Fuck meter -99 db
Posted by: rhennigantx at August 19, 2021 05:27 PM (yrol0)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at August 19, 2021 05:27 PM (w5raC)
All I can say is this hospital staff better pray to Stinkfinger that no family member of a dying patient who gets turned away because they didn't get the shot doesn't decide to use John Q as an inspiration.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 19, 2021 05:27 PM (2JVJo)
Posted by: Ben Had at August 19, 2021 05:27 PM (gqCom)
Posted by: President Select Decaf at August 19, 2021 05:28 PM (RMGKK)
Posted by: Wally at August 19, 2021 05:27 PM (LHpt3)
Death panels aren't real. Also Death panels are real and here's why it's a good thing.
Apply liberally. Great reset, etc.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at August 19, 2021 05:28 PM (z5Vrg)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory
Ah yes, I remember him.
(OK, does anyone get this sock?)
Posted by: M. Munigant, Bone specialist. at August 19, 2021 05:28 PM (0klsm)
https://on.wsj.com/3D4MP8D
Posted by: bonhomme at August 19, 2021 05:28 PM (UW2ZS)
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 05:24 PM (kbvR/)
Is this a sex reference?
Posted by: rhennigantx at August 19, 2021 05:28 PM (yrol0)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at August 19, 2021 05:27 PM (w5raC)
I'm going to go out on a limb and say POC will not be asked what their vax status is.
Posted by: Jordan61, I am the 10% at August 19, 2021 05:28 PM (Ez6QX)
Posted by: Lady in Black at August 19, 2021 05:28 PM (O+I8R)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 19, 2021 05:29 PM (OoCxN)
Posted by: confederatefifth at August 19, 2021 05:29 PM (AnQMZ)
Apply liberally. Great reset, etc.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at August 19, 2021 05:28 PM (z5Vrg)
In russia windows can see you
Posted by: rhennigantx at August 19, 2021 05:30 PM (yrol0)
Posted by: confederatefifth at August 19, 2021 05:29 PM (AnQMZ)
Do they bear The Mark?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 19, 2021 05:30 PM (yQpMk)
How many of those involved in this were also part of the incompetent Benghazi attack (non) response and subsequent cover-up?
The State Dept. has not exactly shown itself to be a functional crew, so why should we believe them?
Posted by: Zeke Emanuel at August 19, 2021 05:30 PM (bDqIh)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 19, 2021 05:31 PM (OoCxN)
But then I could just pay for that experience without the killshot, amirite? I hope she takes bitcoin.
Posted by: The Maskless Ranger at August 19, 2021 05:31 PM (hQVBP)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 19, 2021 05:31 PM (OoCxN)
Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2021 05:31 PM (znIQ9)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 19, 2021 05:31 PM (3SBUJ)
Posted by: Joe Mama at August 19, 2021 05:32 PM (WmGrA)
Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2021 05:16 PM (znIQ9
Worse than that. This is the beginning of the "social credit system".
Posted by: Justsayin' at August 19, 2021 05:32 PM (Fs5vw)
Posted by: The Maskless Ranger at August 19, 2021 05:32 PM (hQVBP)
Posted by: Jimco Industries at August 19, 2021 05:32 PM (buTO7)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 19, 2021 05:32 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Unconscious Gunshot Wound Victim at August 19, 2021 05:32 PM (9Fwwf)
Posted by: G
that is the thing if you were not vaxxed by thm how would they know? is there going to be a centralized datbase? do you get your vaxx # tattooed under your arm?
Posted by: confederatefifth at August 19, 2021 05:32 PM (AnQMZ)
Posted by: Ben Had at August 19, 2021 05:32 PM (gqCom)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at August 19, 2021 05:27 PM (w5raC)
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Likewise (the E not L part) but I think they are covered. They will claim that vaccinated have a better chance of survival and so their decision is based on best use of resources, not discrimination. That is what triage is.
(This data may or may not be accurate, but it doesn't matter)
In fact, I think the story is overblown - they are doing nothing outrageous here.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 19, 2021 05:32 PM (0klsm)
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at August 19, 2021 05:32 PM (YynYJ)
Posted by: Olathe Corn at August 19, 2021 05:32 PM (bDqIh)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 19, 2021 05:32 PM (OoCxN)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 19, 2021 05:32 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2021 05:31 PM (znIQ9)"
The tomatoes are famous. But that peach was outrageously good.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 05:32 PM (kbvR/)
you don't but I like exposing the controlled opposition farce that is Conservative, Inc. media. They do not like or trust actual conservatives, so they staff up almost exclusively with neoliberals.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:33 PM (0G13K)
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at August 19, 2021 05:33 PM (wAnMi)
https://tinyurl.com/yaec5zpa
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 19, 2021 05:33 PM (r+sAi)
Magnet on the arm test!
Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 19, 2021 05:33 PM (+WWsf)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at August 19, 2021 05:33 PM (w5raC)
I remember when I got one mump.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at August 19, 2021 05:33 PM (Bmy3R)
Posted by: kraken at August 19, 2021 05:34 PM (6Je/Q)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 19, 2021 05:34 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2021 05:34 PM (znIQ9)
It's too easy to end up on the line with some nutcake who will all but send cops to my house along with an ambulance, so that I can perform my duty to (1) get diagnosed with CV19 (2) get carted off to a hospital where I'll get substandard care and forced onto a ventilator (3) die so that said hospital can make more money.
Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at August 19, 2021 05:34 PM (L2ZTs)
**
I and my family are indians from this point forward if anyone asks.
If I can put on a wig and be a chick, then I can sure as sh*t put a feather in my pocket and be a Cherokee.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) remember when they cancelled the foreign policy presidential debate? at August 19, 2021 05:34 PM (ulgTA)
Posted by: Mark1971 at August 19, 2021 05:35 PM (xPl2J)
Coincidentally, I hope they have a good evac plan.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 05:35 PM (kbvR/)
Might be a bit nutty but still the best theory I've seen yet to explain why this deranged effort to forced an experimental, untested vaccine/not a vaccine that doesn't even WORK on the entire population.
Posted by: The Maskless Ranger at August 19, 2021 05:35 PM (hQVBP)
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 05:24 PM (kbvR/)
Sacrilege.
Posted by: Georgia
Piker.
Posted by: Palisade
Japanese momo (peach) for the win. (if only they didn't cost $2 or $3 each)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 19, 2021 05:35 PM (0klsm)
This is intentional. Remember Operation Fast and Furious? Where the government spread guns to Mexican gangs so they could blame lack of gun control, thus justifying setting up gun control? Same idea, but with COVID. Spread COVID, thus justifying government control.
Posted by: Andyzero at August 19, 2021 05:35 PM (xU6Ix)
>>How would the hospital know?
They throw you I a lake and if you float your vaccinated and if you sink you die, so no longer a problem.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 19, 2021 05:36 PM (GOGEo)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at August 19, 2021 05:36 PM (I8FKK)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 19, 2021 05:36 PM (OoCxN)
Posted by: confederatefifth at August 19, 2021 05:36 PM (AnQMZ)
Oh right, thanks!
Wendy Sherman is an Obama and Clinton appointee, responsible for leading the NK and Iran nuke deals.
Susan Rice, too.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 19, 2021 05:36 PM (bDqIh)
Get your fricking vaccine. It helps prevent co-vid, and if you do get it lessens the severity.
If you don't want to get the vaccine fine, but when there are adverse consequences, then expect to pay the price.
Posted by: mildcigar at August 19, 2021 05:36 PM (y46TZ)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at August 19, 2021 05:27 PM (w5raC)
you forgot Dammit Jim
Posted by: rhennigantx at August 19, 2021 05:36 PM (yrol0)
In: killin the anti vaccine tubes.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 05:36 PM (kbvR/)
Posted by: thirteen28 at August 19, 2021 05:37 PM (KX4VP)
I remember when I only had to be in the iron lung Monday, Wednesday and Friday
Posted by: rickb223 at August 19, 2021 05:37 PM (3SBUJ)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 19, 2021 05:37 PM (o/ixL)
Posted by: Match Checksout at August 19, 2021 05:37 PM (dYe5S)
As for reliability, basically most ammo made since the 80's in the US and other developed countries will be in decent shape into the 2030's.
Posted by: whig at August 19, 2021 05:37 PM (pO7gM)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 19, 2021 05:36 PM (GOGEo)
So the vaccinated are a duck?
Posted by: rhennigantx at August 19, 2021 05:37 PM (yrol0)
Bullcrap.
Illegal aliens get herded through our medical system and get first rate ER service as primary care. The idea that they will be turned away is fallacy. Who will get turned away are the taxpaying, legal citizens who, by virtue of fighting being prisoners in their own country, get classified as enemies of the State because a corrupted apparatus said to do so.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at August 19, 2021 05:37 PM (aXxgO)
When I want want the advice of an Admitting Clerk I will squeeze it out of you.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 19, 2021 05:37 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: President Select Decaf at August 19, 2021 05:28 PM (RMGKK)
Allah dismissively calls anyone that disagrees with his 11 year old version of the world "cranks" - but no one is less possessed of logic working mental synapses that this guy. He's not really worthy of the higher value definition of "crank" - that would require to have reviewed the policy question and used emotion to determine an answer - this guy doesn't review the question, he doesn't even care what it's foundation might be...he writes really very similar to pre-teens with over active hormones - he thinks he's "snarky" but his thought pattern is just pre-teen. He probalby needs to join a 8th grade girl gym class and hang out in the locker room - "you go, girl!"
Posted by: Boswell at August 19, 2021 05:37 PM (5iUNf)
https://tinyurl.com/yaec5zpa
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 19, 2021 05:33 PM (r+sAi)
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Don't worry, citizen. That's what the control group is for.
You know. The control group that received the vaccine, too.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) remember when they cancelled the foreign policy presidential debate? at August 19, 2021 05:37 PM (ulgTA)
Posted by: ace
I think C, Inc. acts the way they do just to piss Ace off because they know the only way they get any attention is when Ace gets pissed off because he pisses on them. Clicks!!! Reeeee!!!
Posted by: SFGoth (KAi1n) at August 19, 2021 05:37 PM (KAi1n)
"very snotty uncalled for comment. You must be one of those who don't believe in science. But believe everything uneducated Fascist traitors like trump and the Unamerican ANTI-Democracy ANTI-AMERICAN SUBVERSIVES Fascist on fix Fascist fox have to say. Some of the dumbest most ingnorant, unethical morally Bankrupt people in this country"
.......... bruh
Posted by: The Maskless Ranger at August 19, 2021 05:38 PM (hQVBP)
lol.
Let me tell you my idea that I desperately want to get to Jerry Seinfeld: Actually making the movie "Chunnel."
The Seinfeld cast would play multiple roles like Monty Python. Some of the roles would be similar to their Seinfeld roles, others different. Like Jason Alexander would play both a schlubby George-like character trapped on the chunnel as well as the French Terrorist Le Renard who planted the bomb who collapsed it.
Jay Peterman would play the president and Larry David would play the traitorous Vice President who paid Le Renard to plant the bomb, to trap the American delegation in the CHUNNEL.
Seinfeld would play a hero called like Rafe Sabre, a spelunker or something. He has to get medicine to those in the Chunnel.
Etc.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:38 PM (0G13K)
Posted by: Seems legit at August 19, 2021 05:38 PM (Yoy2t)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:38 PM (0G13K)
Note how Analpundit conflates the real problems with these non-sterilizing vaccines (see Vanden Bossche, who explains this well and warned 6 months ago that what we're seeing now would happen) with the loony "5G magnet microchip" shit.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at August 19, 2021 05:38 PM (Mzdiz)
If you don't want to get the vaccine fine, but when there are adverse consequences, then expect to pay the price.
Posted by: mildcigar at August 19, 2021 05:36 PM (y46TZ)
Shame on you - do some fucking research, you butcher.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess, #SuperStraight #maskless (Mzdiz) at August 19, 2021 05:38 PM (Mzdiz)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:33 PM (0G13K)
I am becoming more and more convinced that Conservative Inc. have never met a real conservative.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 19, 2021 05:38 PM (Q9lwr)
Posted by: klaftern at August 19, 2021 05:39 PM (r4sI4)
It's weird that they insisted they couldn't for so long.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) remember when they cancelled the foreign policy presidential debate? at August 19, 2021 05:39 PM (ulgTA)
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at August 19, 2021 05:39 PM (YynYJ)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 19, 2021 05:39 PM (ICl2b)
Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at August 19, 2021 05:39 PM (oWBc3)
Posted by: Guy Smiley at August 19, 2021 05:39 PM (Bmy3R)
Get your fricking vaccine. It helps prevent co-vid, and if you do get it lessens the severity.
If you don't want to get the vaccine fine, but when there are adverse consequences, then expect to pay the price.
Posted by: mildcigar at August 19, 2021 05:36 PM (y46TZ)
Ooooooooooo Kaaaaayyy Riiiiiight. I like totally believe you. Life long republican.. voted for Goldwater...
You should be on a black or hispanic blog because those are the least vacccin... oh wait it is highly educated PHd that are the very least vaccinated.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at August 19, 2021 05:39 PM (w5raC)
I have no idea what's going on with him lately but he was a legit drunk who was self-medicating. I don't know if he quit or got help.
He always *sounds* like he's a stinking drunk shut-in having the terrors.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:40 PM (0G13K)
Something tells me they'll make exceptions for non-whites Democrats.
Posted by: McLurkerson at August 19, 2021 05:40 PM (wNDOJ)
Posted by: confederatefifth at August 19, 2021 05:40 PM (AnQMZ)
Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at August 19, 2021 05:40 PM (oWBc3)
Posted by: four seasons at August 19, 2021 05:40 PM (PisyI)
Posted by: Just a side note at August 19, 2021 05:40 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 19, 2021 05:40 PM (o/ixL)
Posted by: McLurkerson at August 19, 2021 05:40 PM (wNDOJ)
if you applied for a job they'd search your history, find you're a real conservative, and then give the job to Amanda Carpenter.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:41 PM (0G13K)
No, it does not. These "vaccines" are very leaky. Read Geert Vanden Bossche, who expels more knowledge about the evolutionary dynamics of virus vs host when he takes a dump in the morning that you'll ever know in a lifetime.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at August 19, 2021 05:41 PM (Mzdiz)
As for reliability, basically most ammo made since the 80's in the US and other developed countries will be in decent shape into the 2030's.
Posted by: whig at August 19, 2021 05:37 PM (pO7gM)
So what you're saying is I have just a few more weeks tops, and all that P&S 9 in the sealed waterproof bags are especially susceptible. Got it. Good to know. Thx.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at August 19, 2021 05:41 PM (wAnMi)
******
I think Malkin's whole contribution to the conservative cause other than jumping on a trampoline has been a net negative.
Her tone deaf Back the Blue unconditionally effort where she participated in a pro-police rally only to get beaten up by Antifa while the police stood around with broomsticks up their asses and did nothing, should have red pilled her once and for all, but nope.
Posted by: The Maskless Ranger at August 19, 2021 05:41 PM (hQVBP)
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+1
If you catch COVID you might not even know you have it.
You know. Just like before the vaccine.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) remember when they cancelled the foreign policy presidential debate? at August 19, 2021 05:41 PM (ulgTA)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 19, 2021 05:41 PM (yQpMk)
***************
Wake me up in 5 years when the phase trials are complete.
Otherwise, GFY
Posted by: The Maskless Ranger at August 19, 2021 05:42 PM (hQVBP)
Posted by: Rocky Ford Cantaloupe at August 19, 2021 05:42 PM (WmGrA)
The State Dept. has not exactly shown itself to be a functional crew, so why should we believe them?
Posted by: Zeke Emanuel at August 19, 2021 05:30 PM (bDqIh)
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Going back as far W's admin when Condi Rice was the Secretary it was hoped that she would clean house and staff the place with her own people. She left everything as it was, I suppose they were her kind of people after all.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at August 19, 2021 05:42 PM (RMGKK)
Get your fricking vaccine. It helps prevent co-vid, and if you do get it lessens the severity.
If you don't want to get the vaccine fine, but when there are adverse consequences, then expect to pay the price.
Posted by: mildcigar at August 19, 2021 05:36 PM (y46TZ)
Always nice to meet a Life Long Republican (TM)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, The Suicide Squad review at August 19, 2021 05:42 PM (XvPQV)
Get your fricking vaccine.
Posted by: mildcigar at August 19, 2021 05:36 PM (y46TZ)
I only follow the demands for medical procedures by strangers on the Internet when they're *concerned Christian conservatives*. Sorry.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at August 19, 2021 05:42 PM (DTX3h)
Posted by: kraken at August 19, 2021 05:42 PM (6Je/Q)
She didn't realize it IS actually possible to "believe" in science without thinking that Fauci is the GOD of science?.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 19, 2021 05:42 PM (ai5jE)
(1) start a super-conservative website full of great takes; (2) sell it to squishes for megabucks; (3) repeat.
Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at August 19, 2021 05:43 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 19, 2021 05:43 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2021 05:31 PM (znIQ9)
Yeah, pretty much the only thing worth a shit that comes from here. Good amount of farms where I am, and they all seem to have roadside produce stands.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 19, 2021 05:43 PM (VwHCD)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 19, 2021 05:43 PM (o/ixL)
They are pretty much shouting this out for everyone to hear now.
I would rather take my chances on getting whatever I can afford.
Posted by: Thatch at August 19, 2021 05:43 PM (qWceQ)
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So doc, should we get the flu vaccine for the flu from 2019, too?
If not, why not?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) remember when they cancelled the foreign policy presidential debate? at August 19, 2021 05:43 PM (ulgTA)
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 19, 2021 05:43 PM (trdmm)
Get your fricking vaccine. It helps prevent co-vid, and if you do get it lessens the severity.
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No.
Posted by: SMH - Dissidentin' in the USSA at August 19, 2021 05:43 PM (/w8NQ)
The powdered vitamin C works out to be less expensive too.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at August 19, 2021 05:44 PM (YynYJ)
Posted by: ShainS -- Unauthorized Freedom Exhibitionist at August 19, 2021 05:44 PM (KLuIa)
1.) Vaccination decreases severe infection and death
2.) We will put those who are, on the whole, worse off behind those who have better chances.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you our "experts."
Posted by: Colonel Travis at August 19, 2021 05:44 PM (m3h4u)
Posted by: Lady in Black at August 19, 2021 05:44 PM (O+I8R)
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at August 19, 2021 05:44 PM (wAnMi)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 19, 2021 05:43 PM (o/ixL)
AFAIK, she's never been found.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 19, 2021 05:44 PM (yQpMk)
157 I have a former lefty friend who thinks the Moderna and Pfizer vaccine has nanotech and that's why they're so adamant on vaxxing us as it's part of a national experiment to test the technology. She thinks the Johnson & Johnson is the only legit one.
Might be a bit nutty but still the best theory I've seen yet to explain why this deranged effort to forced an experimental, untested vaccine/not a vaccine that doesn't even WORK on the entire population.
Posted by: The Maskless Ranger at August 19, 2021 05:35 PM (hQVBP)
IMHO, I think the so-called vaccines everyone is taking is just sterile water.
Posted by: Justsayin' at August 19, 2021 05:44 PM (Fs5vw)
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That's silly talk, that's only been true for the last 100 years, but science has changed since 2020!
Posted by: The Maskless Ranger at August 19, 2021 05:44 PM (hQVBP)
Posted by: Vishnupundit at August 19, 2021 05:44 PM (VYjdj)
Posted by: mildcigar at August 19, 2021 05:36 PM (y46TZ)
get it yourself and STFU.
Posted by: Ordinary American at August 19, 2021 05:45 PM (YeToG)
Let me check. What's in it for me?
Well, when you then catch covid, or as Maxine Waters calls it, the cobid, and we find out you were vaccinated to not get it, you will get to be treated for it.
Posted by: Jimco Industries at August 19, 2021 05:45 PM (buTO7)
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at August 19, 2021 05:45 PM (AiZBA)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 19, 2021 05:45 PM (3SBUJ)
Posted by: Old Blue at August 19, 2021 05:21 PM (VNmG1)
Juan. Juan can provide many more years of labor and victimhood to the State than Granny. Juan will always vote Democrat as soon as he's given amnesty. There is only a 37 percent probability Granny will vote Democrat until she dies, but she will always vote Democrat after she dies. Vaccination status is only a dodge in current triage decisions.
Posted by: Gref at August 19, 2021 05:45 PM (AMIL/)
Posted by: kraken at August 19, 2021 05:45 PM (6Je/Q)
Posted by: YIKES! at August 19, 2021 05:45 PM (t6XCL)
Posted by: confederatefifth at August 19, 2021 05:45 PM (AnQMZ)
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Nobody actually delivering health care calls themselves a medical professional.
Posted by: Drc at August 19, 2021 05:45 PM (llGBY)
Posted by: Soothsayer is a Movie Critic, Now! at August 19, 2021 05:45 PM (f9z5j)
Posted by: ... at August 19, 2021 05:45 PM (Rl2JD)
Posted by: Seems legit at August 19, 2021 05:45 PM (Yoy2t)
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at August 19, 2021 05:44 PM (YynYJ)
They do have peanut butter flavored stuff in stock at Amazoid, if you don't mind giving them money. Lots and lots of testimonials as well. A couple of brands, not pricey at all.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at August 19, 2021 05:45 PM (wAnMi)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) remember when they cancelled the foreign policy presidential debate? at August 19, 2021 05:45 PM (ulgTA)
Posted by: Minuteman at August 19, 2021 05:45 PM (LaNzR)
Posted by: SMH - Dissidentin' in the USSA at August 19, 2021 05:46 PM (/w8NQ)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 19, 2021 05:39 PM (ICl2b)
word on the street is he likes them uncut
Posted by: REDACTED at August 19, 2021 05:46 PM (uCLWI)
Hey dumbshit: if you don't believe this rule will be exploited to the hilt by activist doctors, you're living in a dream world. But I doubt you care, you just want everyone who you dislike to be eliminated one way or the other.
The only reason to keep reading there is, there's still a few people in the comment section that are good at taking the piss out of Pat's and other self-hating conservative's arguments.
Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at August 19, 2021 05:46 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 19, 2021 05:46 PM (OoCxN)
Posted by: Archer at August 19, 2021 05:46 PM (gmo/4)
well i wouldn't say that. I recommend the vaccine myself.
A lot of people say stuff like "it only is a danger to old people" or "it's only a danger to fat people with comorbidities."
Well, like 25% of the country is 65 or older and one third of the population is obese (IIRC). And common things like hypertension count as a "comorbidity," though I suspect that's mostly due to its association with obesity. (They're all part of a cluster.)
Anyway, point is, there are a LOT of at-risk people. And even if it's not a lethal risk to you, most of the people who get it say it's a really, really bad illness that lasts ten days of misery that you don't want to get.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:46 PM (0G13K)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) remember when they cancelled the foreign policy presidential debate? at August 19, 2021 05:46 PM (ulgTA)
Posted by: Joseph of Steel at August 19, 2021 05:46 PM (Rd/7a)
I have to let you know that whenever somebody starts their arguments with "I am a Trump Republican" it sounds like leftist trolling, because we mostly assume that except for trolls everybody on here voted for Trump.
BTW, we have other "medical professionals" on here who think that people should make their own mind up about the vaccines.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 19, 2021 05:46 PM (ai5jE)
Posted by: Soothsayer is a Movie Critic, Now! at August 19, 2021 05:46 PM (f9z5j)
Posted by: Guy Smiley at August 19, 2021 05:39 PM (Bmy3R)
nope. Look how Influenza vaccines work? They absolutely do not prevent it in all cases. Sometimes they attenuate the symptoms.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 19, 2021 05:46 PM (Q9lwr)
Posted by: Some Rat in the swamp at August 19, 2021 05:46 PM (r1z5A)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 19, 2021 05:47 PM (o/ixL)
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 05:47 PM (kbvR/)
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After watch a Paul Joseph Watson video of Fauci worshippers doing everything from buying dolls of Fauci, creating murals and tattooing Fauci's face on their saggy boobs, I'm gonna go with no.
Posted by: The Maskless Ranger at August 19, 2021 05:47 PM (hQVBP)
Posted by: confederatefifth at August 19, 2021 05:47 PM (AnQMZ)
Get your fricking vaccine. It helps prevent co-vid, and if you do get it lessens the severity.
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That is categorically false. You have zero credibility, and BTW ... GFY.
Posted by: ShainS -- Unauthorized Freedom Exhibitionist at August 19, 2021 05:47 PM (KLuIa)
Posted by: vmom sic semper stabbicus (oEn12) at August 19, 2021 05:47 PM (xM76j)
Posted by: illiniwek at August 19, 2021 05:47 PM (Cus5s)
and ace dragging AP with his trademark "exit question" is just a ray of sarcastic sunshine.
Posted by: TexasDan at August 19, 2021 05:47 PM (Sd2Hw)
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at August 19, 2021 05:47 PM (aXxgO)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:46 PM (0G13K)
So, the flu.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 19, 2021 05:47 PM (yQpMk)
(some get off easy, of course, like kurt schlichter. But then, his wife got it a fair bit worse.)
My friend died of it. Yes, he had comorbidities (obese, prior heart issues), but he got covid and was dead the following week.
I support anyone doing the risk/benefit calculations for themselves, but I think of my dead friend when I see people really underestimating the risks of getting covid.
and no, he wasn't vaccinated. he died just a month or two into the large-scale roll-out. Not sure he would have gotten it; he didn't like anything that smacked of Joining.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:47 PM (0G13K)
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess, #SuperStraight #maskless (Mzdiz) at August 19, 2021 05:38 PM (Mzdiz)
lol, nice.
Posted by: flounder at August 19, 2021 05:47 PM (KnJdm)
It is gene therapy.
Posted by: Fizer at August 19, 2021 05:47 PM (aAP3z)
Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Suck
Drop that fuck and he's a MOAB.
Posted by: Vishnupundit at August 19, 2021 05:48 PM (VYjdj)
Posted by: Guy Smiley at August 19, 2021 05:48 PM (Bmy3R)
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Sad what happened to him.
Posted by: SMH - Dissidentin' in the USSA at August 19, 2021 05:46 PM (/w8NQ)
I met the guy in meat space twice. He seemed like a really good guy. A good example of how the wuhan has broken so many people.
Posted by: Pugsly Mahonowitz at August 19, 2021 05:48 PM (xPJvm)
people keep saying that but you do realize it's killed 10x as many people as a very bad flu season, right?
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:48 PM (0G13K)
@Breaking911
.@StateDeptSpox says there's no COVID-19 protocol or testing at Kabul airport: "In Kabul, at the airport, we don't at present have the capacity to test every one of them."
https://tinyurl.com/yzrex56s
Posted by: Tami at August 19, 2021 05:48 PM (cF8AT)
(This data may or may not be accurate, but it doesn't matter)
In fact, I think the story is overblown - they are doing nothing outrageous here.
Posted by: Gentlemen
Actually, such decision can be sued over, what you stated above would be normally a fact for the jury to determine. While hospitals can claim general accepted practice as a defense, the jury can determine that the hospital's actions were not generally accepted or that the generally accepted practice was not followed. Thus, liability for the hospital without a statute like the Covid vaccine bill that grants immunity. Even that bill might not grant immunity if the vaccine had manufacturing defects depending on how it was written. The PLCAA regarding firearms still allows wrongful death or injury lawsuits deriving from manufacturing defects which is why Remington had to pay out on its R700 trigger.
Posted by: whig at August 19, 2021 05:48 PM (pO7gM)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 19, 2021 05:48 PM (OoCxN)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) remember when they cancelled the foreign policy presidential debate? at August 19, 2021 05:49 PM (ulgTA)
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"It's hard explaining to you unwashed masses how we will choose the ones who live and die in a way that won't cause you to violently reject our authority."
Casanova continued,
"Perhaps a clever use of flannelgraph combined with an inflated sense of moral superiority over the caste we have decided is Inferior..."
Posted by: reason at August 19, 2021 05:49 PM (ePZfA)
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I'm a Trump Republican and a laptop computer professional.
Posted by: MJ at August 19, 2021 05:49 PM (zwDuR)
INBOX: Congresswoman Claudia Tenney Drafting Bill to Prohibit U.S. Government from Charging American Citizens for Evacuation Flights
Posted by: Tami at August 19, 2021 05:49 PM (cF8AT)
Until now.
Posted by: The Cookie Man at August 19, 2021 05:49 PM (7AlXk)
I am hesitant to take a booster.
Posted by: not my nic at August 19, 2021 05:49 PM (aAP3z)
Posted by: TexasDan at August 19, 2021 05:50 PM (Sd2Hw)
Posted by: Fizer at August 19, 2021 05:47 PM (aAP3z)
Except that it isn't. Look up "gene therapy."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 19, 2021 05:50 PM (Q9lwr)
Oh and get your booster! Ridiculous.
Posted by: Seems legit at August 19, 2021 05:50 PM (Yoy2t)
Posted by: Lady in Black at August 19, 2021 05:44 PM (O+I8R)
Go big on the soooper doooper trump thing. Get a jab in each ass cheek and one in the eye ball. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 19, 2021 05:50 PM (VwHCD)
Posted by: kraken at August 19, 2021 05:42 PM (6Je/Q)
AKA baja Oklahoma
Posted by: rhennigantx at August 19, 2021 05:50 PM (yrol0)
Posted by: mildcigar
Just because you are a fascist symp sheep doesn't mean we have to join you, dumb-dumb.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 19, 2021 05:50 PM (1t5dY)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:48 PM (0G13K)
Has it? I'm quite the denier you know.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 19, 2021 05:50 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: T
that is the standard, or was until we had to evacuate a bunch of asshols out of beirut and they had a shit fit
Posted by: confederatefifth at August 19, 2021 05:50 PM (AnQMZ)
Posted by: mildcigar at August 19, 2021 05:36 PM (y46TZ)
This piece of shit is a Twitter Bot. A parrot for the Big Lie.
raaaaaaawrk! Vaccine. raaaaaaawrk! Racist.
raaaaaaawrk! Lessens severity.
raaaaaaawrk! You're killing people.
Posted by: Soothsayer is a Movie Critic, Now! at August 19, 2021 05:51 PM (f9z5j)
Posted by: Dr Spank
The one that bough a bottle of pills and a snapple and then disappeared? I think everyone accepted that she offed herself.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 19, 2021 05:51 PM (0klsm)
Get your fricking vaccine. It helps prevent co-vid, and if you do get it lessens the severity.
If you don't want to get the vaccine fine, but when there are adverse consequences, then expect to pay the price.
Posted by: mildcigar at August 19, 2021 05:36 PM (y46TZ)
No. And GFY.
Posted by: Justsayin' at August 19, 2021 05:51 PM (Fs5vw)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:48 PM (0G13K)
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Serious question:
Would that still be true if we tracked the flu similarly and deemed all sniffles the flu and counted all deaths with people who had the sniffles at the time of death as flu deaths?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) remember when they cancelled the foreign policy presidential debate? at August 19, 2021 05:51 PM (ulgTA)
Posted by: vmom sic semper stabbicus (oEn12) at August 19, 2021 05:47 PM (xM76j)
Compared to some, absolutely. Compared to others? Eh...about the same.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 19, 2021 05:51 PM (Q9lwr)
I believe the mRNA science was mainly for the study for treatment of cancers. Covid gave them the opportunity to have a billion person test study on side effects .
Posted by: Just a side note at August 19, 2021 05:51 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:46 PM (0G13K)
So, the flu.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 19, 2021 05:47 PM (yQpMk)
FWIW, not my personal experience with it. But as for getting the jab, or not, up to the individual..
Posted by: kraken at August 19, 2021 05:51 PM (6Je/Q)
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Meanwhile measles vaccines are 93% effective at prevention.
Do we just suck at making vaccines now?
Posted by: The Maskless Ranger at August 19, 2021 05:51 PM (hQVBP)
Why aren't we suing the living shit out of the chinese government?
Posted by: Bosk at August 19, 2021 05:51 PM (yh68b)
he is seriously breaking the training of democrat on air personalities
yes, they are taught to shake their heads, smirk and mouth words while others are talking
Posted by: REDACTED at August 19, 2021 05:51 PM (uCLWI)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:48 PM (0G13K)
So, about twice as many as Cuomo.
Posted by: flounder at August 19, 2021 05:51 PM (KnJdm)
I don't know if that's true. You seem to be assuming that anything written on a Vaccine Adverse Reaction report is connected the vaccine.
It's not. Anyone can add to that list, and they can add things that are clearly not related to the vaccine, like getting a cancer diagnosis a week afer the vaccination.
When you give out 160 million doses, a lot of those people are just going to have unrelated illnesses at about the same time. Simple statistics makes this an absolute lock.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:51 PM (0G13K)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 19, 2021 05:52 PM (o/ixL)
Posted by: Tami at August 19, 2021 05:49 PM (cF8AT)
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Unless they're missionaries, f*ck that.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) remember when they cancelled the foreign policy presidential debate? at August 19, 2021 05:52 PM (ulgTA)
Posted by: Seems legit at August 19, 2021 05:52 PM (Yoy2t)
Posted by: Vishnupundit at August 19, 2021 05:48 PM (VYjdj)
Two MOOBS make a MOAB?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 19, 2021 05:52 PM (6FeV1)
Posted by: YIKES! at August 19, 2021 05:52 PM (t6XCL)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:48 PM (0G13K)
Has it? I'm quite the denier you know.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 19, 2021 05:50 PM (yQpMk)
Riddle me this. Then why is the total death rate for 2020 LESS than 2019? Worst pandemic ever.
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at August 19, 2021 05:52 PM (AiZBA)
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at August 19, 2021 05:52 PM (Vxu+H)
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I'm Goddamn sure it isn't Laredo.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 19, 2021 05:53 PM (7Fj9P)
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And that's the problem.
That's EXACTLY how COVID deaths were calculated.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) remember when they cancelled the foreign policy presidential debate? at August 19, 2021 05:53 PM (ulgTA)
see tom frieden and his lies about ebola transmissin
Posted by: confederatefifth at August 19, 2021 05:53 PM (AnQMZ)
viruses are extremely sloppy reproducers, which means they are mutating and changing every time they go in and out of a host.
The yearly flu vaccine is a best-guess attempt to stop the flus they've seen earlier in the year. But those flus might not be the ones you get exposed to, and they may mutate further.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:53 PM (0G13K)
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I probably did get the WuFlu but all it did was increase my libido.
Posted by: The Maskless Ranger at August 19, 2021 05:53 PM (hQVBP)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 19, 2021 05:53 PM (ai5jE)
Well, okay, it be useful for lots of blog posts these days.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at August 19, 2021 05:53 PM (zc1AC)
Yeah, my experience was basically nothing. No fever, no loss of taste. Maybe a bit of sinus going on.
Really, without the hype I wouldn't even have noticed it, just chalked it up to hayfever.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 19, 2021 05:53 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: JT at August 19, 2021 05:53 PM (arJlL)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) remember when they cancelled the foreign policy presidential debate? at August 19, 2021 05:53 PM (ulgTA)
Posted by: Mean Tweets at August 19, 2021 05:53 PM (vGJY7)
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I think its going to be a long time before we actually g get a handle on the data.
People died 'with covid' not 'of covid'. And the flu ended up being counted as covid.
I'm not saying people didn't die from it in greater numbers but I sincerely doubt it's near the 600K number.
And certainly after treatment protocols death rates plummeted.
Posted by: MJ at August 19, 2021 05:53 PM (zwDuR)
Posted by: runner at August 19, 2021 05:54 PM (V13WU)
understood but replacing one error with another one is not the way to find the reality of the situation. It's good for bashing the people who put out those earlier, erroneous figures, but not for determining if the vaccines are safe.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:54 PM (0G13K)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 19, 2021 05:54 PM (kTF2Z)
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Is there any reason to believe the death count as provided to us by the government is accurate whatsoever?
Posted by: The Maskless Ranger at August 19, 2021 05:54 PM (hQVBP)
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 05:54 PM (kbvR/)
Which makes all the numbers bunk, unfortunately.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at August 19, 2021 05:54 PM (Bmy3R)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 19, 2021 05:39 PM
Cuban.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 19, 2021 05:54 PM (rBtIz)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 19, 2021 05:52 PM (o/ixL)
looking for the letters ASDF while look through a sting of one trillion letters seems pretty common.
Posted by: rhennigantx at August 19, 2021 05:55 PM (yrol0)
BS
both my sister's are MD's and somehow they don't have time to post inane, online comments
esp during the day
Posted by: REDACTED at August 19, 2021 05:55 PM (uCLWI)
Posted by: Tami at August 19, 2021 05:49 PM (cF8AT)
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Unless they're missionaries, f*ck that.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) remember when they cancelled the foreign policy presidential debate? at August 19, 2021 05:52 PM (ulgTA)
....
US citizens have been charged for evac flights since forever. It comes with the territory if you're an expat. We had a stack of unfolded, high serial number $100 bills for just such an event when we lived overseas. This is just grandstanding.
Posted by: TexasDan at August 19, 2021 05:55 PM (Sd2Hw)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:48 PM (0G13K)
That's if you trust the numbers and also subtract the absence of any flu deaths. That said, I don't want to get it just like I don't want to get the flu. I also have never gotten a flu vaccine though I plan to as I get a little older.
Posted by: Just a side note at August 19, 2021 05:55 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: TexasDan at August 19, 2021 05:50 PM (Sd2Hw)
Heh. I should have been an editor - and a good one at that - and that one slipped by me. Not that I was paying much attention but still, nice catch.
Posted by: ... at August 19, 2021 05:55 PM (RHcg5)
Posted by: runner at August 19, 2021 05:55 PM (V13WU)
Yes, some die. A small percentage.
And fuck the chinese assholes.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at August 19, 2021 05:55 PM (2NHgQ)
Do we just suck at making vaccines now?
Posted by: The Maskless Ranger at August 19, 2021 05:51 PM (hQVBP)
Probably all of the relatively easy vaccines were possible without benefit of recombinant technology, etc. My guess is the reason we don't have vaccines for every viral illness is because viruses are very different. Measles and polio lent themselves to the creation of effective vaccines. CCP flu and Influenza don't.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 19, 2021 05:55 PM (Q9lwr)
Dear Trump Republican medical professional,
I am just asking you to repeat your statements to establish the record for your potential future liability and malpractice lawsuits against you due to practicing medicine over the internet. "Are you willing to assume civil and criminal liability personally for someone that following your advice post for medical treatment? Furthermore, are you willing to risk your medical license by dispensing treatment advice over the internet to patients unknown to you?"
Posted by: whig at August 19, 2021 05:55 PM (pO7gM)
It's not. Anyone can add to that list, and they can add things that are clearly not related to the vaccine, like getting a cancer diagnosis a week afer the vaccination.
When you give out 160 million doses, a lot of those people are just going to have unrelated illnesses at about the same time. Simple statistics makes this an absolute lock.
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This is 100% correct, but also needs to be applied to the covid death numbers.
This is why I'm hesitant to buy the figures for either the death rate or the vax death rate. The measurement system for both really suck.
Posted by: MJ at August 19, 2021 05:55 PM (zwDuR)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:48 PM (0G13K)
Is ace turning into a COVID karen? Dying with COVID is not the same as dying from COVID. We have no fucking clue how many died from Covid, and never will.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 19, 2021 05:56 PM (OoCxN)
my friend, with no history of any mental problems whatsoever, got dementia and began experiencing hallucinations and bizarre paranoias. My other friend only checked up on him because of those sudden-onset mental issues.
My friend died of a heart attack en route to the hospital, being taken there by my other friend.
I mean, it affects people differently. But I wouldn't assume the best. The worst has to be considered, too.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:56 PM (0G13K)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 19, 2021 05:39 PM
Cuban.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 19, 2021 05:54 PM (rBtIz)
Ricans
and I have no idea how they are made due to the lack of PR virgins
Posted by: REDACTED at August 19, 2021 05:57 PM (uCLWI)
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The only thing I really believe about the mortality rate is that the elderly are definitely more susceptible to it because I've observed that in real life, another reason why my tinfoil hat mind wouldn't be surprised if it was meant to be a depopulation tool.
Posted by: The Maskless Ranger at August 19, 2021 05:57 PM (hQVBP)
Posted by: LASue at August 19, 2021 05:57 PM (olbr4)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 19, 2021 05:55 PM (Q9lwr)
Flu good year 55%
Bad year 30%
Posted by: rhennigantx at August 19, 2021 05:57 PM (yrol0)
Posted by: Just a side note at August 19, 2021 05:57 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: kraken at August 19, 2021 05:57 PM (6Je/Q)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:57 PM (0G13K)
Posted by: ErikInTexas at August 19, 2021 05:57 PM (AShJK)
Posted by: runner at August 19, 2021 05:57 PM (V13WU)
I found out I'm pretty much going to have to get one to get my colonoscopy in October. I'm going with the J&J. Was really hoping I could slip through the cracks but guess not.
Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at August 19, 2021 05:58 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: ... at August 19, 2021 05:58 PM (RHcg5)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 19, 2021 05:58 PM (OoCxN)
Posted by: General Thomas Gage at August 19, 2021 05:58 PM (rz+Pj)
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 05:58 PM (kbvR/)
(spikes football)
"Need for assessing the inhalation of micro(nano)plastic debris shed from masks, respirators, and home-made face coverings during the COVID-19 pandemic"
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7537728/
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) Afghanistan's the same as Biden increasing insulin costs because Trump did it at August 19, 2021 05:58 PM (em09h)
Posted by: The Cookie Man at August 19, 2021 05:49 PM (7AlXk)
Thanks. I don't. That's why I put "believe" in quotes. Other people are more people of" faith" in science than I am, and that's why those signs that say "In this home we believe yada yada" and include we believe "Science is real" always sound to me like the leftist equivalent of the articles of faith.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 19, 2021 05:58 PM (ai5jE)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:48 PM (0G13K)
IF you believe their covid death numbers.
I'm....skeptical.
Posted by: Tami at August 19, 2021 05:59 PM (cF8AT)
Jim Breuer does a seal and a parrot impression to illustrate the china virus behavior:
https://youtu.be/_6MVo8sItio?t=1859
Posted by: Soothsayer is a Movie Critic, Now! at August 19, 2021 05:59 PM (f9z5j)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 19, 2021 05:59 PM (yQpMk)
and no, he wasn't vaccinated. he died just a month or two into the large-scale roll-out. Not sure he would have gotten it; he didn't like anything that smacked of Joining.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:47 PM (0G13K)
I'm pretty sure that the first version of this thing was horrific. I know 1 guy that died (yes, comorbidity), one that was flat on his back for 3 weeks+ (no comorbidity), and one that had cold like symptoms. My mother passed from it at 93, and was quite ill before that. I have a client who just had a "breakout" case, his kids got sick as well. He's quarantining himself now. But I'd also say the lies propagated about the drug didn't help public perception. First it was 95% effective to stop covid. Now? You won't get quite as sick. (!?!?) The censorship of information by experts is also troubling. The guy who invented it? C'mon. If they're covering up deaths and side effects caused by this crap, they'll never be trusted again.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at August 19, 2021 05:59 PM (wAnMi)
I could make an argument for each of these that holds more water than vac v no vax.
Posted by: LASue at August 19, 2021 06:00 PM (Ed8Zd)
I'm assuming that the VAERS data is massively underreported. Even if it isn't, the spike of adverse reactions and deaths after Covid seen along a timeline of all vaccines is like nothing in vaccine history.
Posted by: Ordinary American at August 19, 2021 06:00 PM (YeToG)
The person who claimed the death rate in 2019 was higher than 2020, what are you smoking?
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm
We added new cause of death that came in at number three. We still had lots of heart disease and cancer, but COVID killed hundreds of thousands.
So weird you guys have picked this hill to literally die on. I've been vaccinated for months. How fucking dumb do you have to be to refuse this vaccine? Microchips? Altered DNA? Sterilization? What impossibly stupid thing does one have to believe to be refusing these vaccines when 93% of the hospitalized people with COVID are among the 50% that are unvaccinated. Do the fucking math.
Posted by: Seattle Slough at August 19, 2021 06:00 PM (KcqqB)
And, that's fine. I harbor no antagonism toward those who have had the injections or recommend them. In fact, I posted months ago: "Get the vaccine. Or don't. Whatever." I do take exception to being directed to do so and will mock accordingly.
Pretty soon, I'll be compelled by the demented, child-molesting, meat-puppet-in-chief to sign an attestation that I've had the stabs. I will not comply. In the short term, I will be treated as a leper and I have zero doubt that it will ultimately result in the end my career. But, I've made my decision based upon several points that I've also posted several weeks ago and they continue to hold up.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at August 19, 2021 06:00 PM (DTX3h)
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I was actually pretty suspicious of the flu vaccine before the WuFlu insanity started, which is why I never got that either. I did used to get the flu at the same time every year for 2-3 years, and then never got it again. I think the last time I got sick from it was over 15 years ago.
Posted by: The Maskless Ranger at August 19, 2021 06:00 PM (hQVBP)
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 19, 2021 06:00 PM (UHVv4)
Posted by: ErikInTexas at August 19, 2021 06:01 PM (AShJK)
Friggin' sleep face UP, already! Jeez, people.
Posted by: Face Sized Spider at August 19, 2021 06:01 PM (52z4/)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at August 19, 2021 06:01 PM (w5raC)
Posted by: Just a side note at August 19, 2021 05:57 PM (2DOZq)
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6%
CDC link here:
https://tinyurl.com/n9zz99ph
"For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.9 additional conditions or causes per death. "
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) Afghanistan's the same as Biden increasing insulin costs because Trump did it at August 19, 2021 06:01 PM (em09h)
So I say it was no worse than a typical flu season for deaths. I did an analysis of that, but it is on another HD.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 19, 2021 06:01 PM (0klsm)
https://bit.ly/3y3hNdM
Meanwhile, the Pentagon is also reporting a C-17 took off half empty.
https://bit.ly/3z2vYAR
Seems to me that if the Americans are getting to the airport unimpeded, every flight out would be full.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 19, 2021 06:01 PM (UW2ZS)
Posted by: Megthered at August 19, 2021 06:01 PM (7m5X+)
Posted by: Seems legit
Since the FDA quietly removed approval for many of the rapid tests this summer for covid because they could not distinguish between covid and the flu, we really are in the dark without pathology reports for individual patients exactly what killed them since Covid occurred. Essentially, expertise nor the scientific method cannot be exercised when the data is ratty and of poor quality.
Posted by: whig at August 19, 2021 06:02 PM (pO7gM)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:48 PM (0G13K)
IF you believe their covid death numbers.
I'm....skeptical.
Posted by: Tami at August 19, 2021 05:59 PM (cF8AT)
me too
plus 250K Americans die every fucking year from
wait for it
MEDICAL MISTAKES
Posted by: REDACTED at August 19, 2021 06:02 PM (uCLWI)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 19, 2021 06:02 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: The chicken at August 19, 2021 06:02 PM (FrjjO)
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 19, 2021 06:02 PM (UHVv4)
We added new cause of death that came in at number three. We still had lots of heart disease and cancer, but COVID killed hundreds of thousands.
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This is incorrect.
COVID cured heart disease, strokes, the flu, etc. Go check the numbers.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) Afghanistan's the same as Biden increasing insulin costs because Trump did it at August 19, 2021 06:02 PM (em09h)
people keep saying that but you do realize it's killed 10x as many people as a very bad flu season, right?
Posted by: ace
No I don't realize that.
The death totals for the china virus are total bullshit. You know that.
Posted by: Soothsayer is a Movie Critic, Now! at August 19, 2021 06:02 PM (f9z5j)
So far the ability of the vaccine to make symptoms/outcomes less severe seem to hold up, at least hold up much better than resistance to getting covid at all (especially the newer variants). Whether the vaccinated with covid can spread it while asymptomatic (a kinda big issue) is unknown, but seems doubtful.
here is another of those "experts" which seem solid, to me. He testified to congress (I think).
Dr. Peter McCullough on rumble
https://tinyurl.com/dbf8fy9v
Posted by: illiniwek at August 19, 2021 06:02 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 19, 2021 06:02 PM (yQpMk)
well Moderna had a 94% of 95% (supposedly) full immunity effect. Pfizer had like 90%, and J&J had only 75%.
They ALWAYS said the main advantage was reducing how ill it would make you. If you're remembering differently, you didn't read what they were actually saying.
They said this from the beginning, the part about you still being able to catch it. that is not new news, period.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:03 PM (0G13K)
Posted by: Archer at August 19, 2021 06:03 PM (gmo/4)
Now, they're just evil.
Posted by: Revenant at August 19, 2021 06:03 PM (ydlAE)
This crap where I respect others choices to get the vaccine but they wont respect mine for not getting it, and want to dehumanize me, strip my rights and reduce my quality of living, well lets just say you wont be getting a christmas card from me.
Posted by: The Maskless Ranger at August 19, 2021 06:03 PM (hQVBP)
Posted by: Seattle Slough at August 19, 2021 06:00 PM (KcqqB)
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This ladies and gentlemen is a text book "Straw man argument" from a text book leftist troll.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at August 19, 2021 06:03 PM (w5raC)
2.) We will put those who are, on the whole, worse off behind those who have better chances
What a load of BS.
The vaccines are for one type of infection. One. This is not a total wellness jab.
Second, triage is about most critically injured getting care first, If t was about bette outcomes they;d treat the kid with the sprained ankle before the gunshot wound -- which they would never do. Even with organ transplants, the sicker are at the the top of the list because they have less time to spare waiting.
The deceit is breathtaking.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 19, 2021 06:03 PM (bDqIh)
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I think this is where people get upset. Many, many people are doing this type of analysis, come to a conclusion that it's unnecessary and then are told by obvious morons (bad kind) that they are stupid, irrational, murderous conspiracy theorists.
But the exact opposite is true. It's not cognitive dissonance from people who weight out their options and decide, 'nah'. It's cognitive dissonance from people who see evil in rational choice.
Posted by: MJ at August 19, 2021 06:03 PM (zwDuR)
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at August 19, 2021 06:03 PM (5HBd1)
We all got delta here at the beach. My Dixie allergies are worse when I don't take anti-allergy pill. But I understand it's not confined to respiratory and messes with blood, heart, and nervous system.
I really do believe the initial wave in New York was the worse strain. A dude came down from there to Atlanta to South Georgia and flooded hospitals in late Feb. 2020. It was bad. It was New York rates bad. The interesting part is the counties hit hardest back then, are fairing well during the delta wave. And the vax rate is low.
The forced Vaccines are part of The Great Reset. Our Overlords have written books, papers, and spoken about it for a couple of decades. So not getting it.
Food for thought.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 19, 2021 06:04 PM (8akOE)
The total of people who died from the china virus are probably 10% of the bullshit "total" we're being fed.
Posted by: Soothsayer is a Movie Critic, Now! at August 19, 2021 06:04 PM (f9z5j)
fair enough but even a bad flu season only kills 60,000 or so. So deduct that from the covid numbers. Still leaves 600,000.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:04 PM (0G13K)
When you are faced with the possibility of false dialogues for whatever reason, look to the data you can trust. with a mass death event like this, look to death stats. Was there excess deaths anywhere but the North East? Were the death rates higher than last bad flu season?
Then of course ask if the Covid home care advice, pre hospitalization, of go home, stay isolated, and come back when we have to put you on a respirator might have added to the death count
I won't say you are wrong, but I will say I see the evidence leading to another possibility
Posted by: Kindltot at August 19, 2021 06:04 PM (BbDPD)
Posted by: Tami at August 19, 2021 05:59 PM (cF8AT)
I'd believe it if we still had the flu or colds. Or, if we didn't know that they were literally writing down covid as the cause of death for $$$, no matter what they passed from. I've heard a couple of horror stories from my friend at ICU, but it's not daily or even weekly. They were also doing the wrong thing in the beginning by intubating people. So how many were mismanaged? If they could just tell the truth (they can't) people could possibly make the correct decision. But right now everybody is lying about everything. It's all got to be political. Fuck them all.
BTW, my friend is calling tonight on his way home, so I'll get the latest skinny on Los Angeles. He's given me actual screen grabs from their charts in the past - on the promise not to show to anyone else.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at August 19, 2021 06:05 PM (wAnMi)
Posted by: A Scold of Karens at August 19, 2021 06:05 PM (Xrfse)
Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 19, 2021 06:05 PM (JTpIQ)
Posted by: Oldcat at August 19, 2021 06:05 PM (eoQWY)
true
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:05 PM (0G13K)
Posted by: runner at August 19, 2021 06:05 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at August 19, 2021 06:05 PM (5HBd1)
History doesn't care. Pet rocks don't bark.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at August 19, 2021 06:05 PM (RlSZN)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:57 PM
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Don't know who you're talking about, but I faced that with my son. Pulled the plug. Will haunt me forever.
Posted by: olddog in mo, Pontoon Captain* (like a real captain, only drunker) at August 19, 2021 06:05 PM (ju2Fy)
Posted by: Kindltot at August 19, 2021 06:05 PM (BbDPD)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 19, 2021 05:56 PM (OoCxN)"
I keep sounding like a broken record on this: the additional deaths in institutional settings were an entire order of magnitude beyond normal until docs started using effective treatments w/ various drugs and specific vitamins. And they were even higher than that in places where Dem governors and mayors deliberately stoked the fires (NYC, Chicago, etc) or where effective treatments were suppressed
The majority of the US, geographically, had not yet had their major wave come through before that was figured out. Those areas that did and ticked off certain other boxes got hit much harder.
We won't know exactly how many died from it, but the whole "hurr durr, guy died on a motorcycle and it counted as COVID! The numbers are made up!" set of talking points is retarded (hence why it was shilled so hard by ShareBlue, etc)
Posted by: somedood at August 19, 2021 06:05 PM (oS38t)
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 06:05 PM (kbvR/)
okay that's true but... how many of the 650,000 dead do you want to say are false positives?
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:06 PM (0G13K)
I'm....skeptical.
Posted by: Tami at August 19, 2021 05:59 PM (cF8AT)
Bingo. When anyone dying with so much as a positive PCR test is on the record as having "died from COVID", then the data is garbage. We've been fed garbage data from the get-go for political and financial reasons and it's has had the consequence of my now distrusting *everyone* by default.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at August 19, 2021 06:06 PM (DTX3h)
Yes. Not even addressing the 'my body my choice' part, as well as that vaccines are about protecting yourself, not others, so why TF should the vaccinated care about others' vaccine status.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 19, 2021 06:06 PM (bDqIh)
fair enough but even a bad flu season only kills 60,000 or so. So deduct that from the covid numbers. Still leaves 600,000.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:04 PM (0G13K)
Several CA counties have readjusted their covid numbers from last year down by 30 or so percent.
Posted by: Oldcat at August 19, 2021 06:06 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: runner at August 19, 2021 06:05 PM
I blame Big Mortuary
cui bono?
Posted by: AltonJackson at August 19, 2021 06:07 PM (DUIap)
Posted by: runner at August 19, 2021 06:07 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Phuk Ho Le at August 19, 2021 06:07 PM (n+txg)
Posted by: grammie winger at August 19, 2021 06:07 PM (45fpk)
Yeah, me neither.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at August 19, 2021 06:07 PM (k4dH2)
Posted by: pahound at August 19, 2021 06:07 PM (Z2AXa)
cui bono?
Posted by: AltonJackson at August 19, 2021 06:07 PM (DUIap)
*touches nose
Posted by: runner at August 19, 2021 06:07 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: redridinghood at August 19, 2021 06:07 PM (NpAcC)
Posted by: The CeeDeeCee at August 19, 2021 06:07 PM (Xrfse)
sorry to hear that. I did not have to make the decision, fortunately. Though I would have pulled the plug.
My friend is -- was -- Steve_from_HB, who you might remember from the comments. He used to comment here.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:07 PM (0G13K)
I found out I'm pretty much going to have to get one to get my colonoscopy in October. I'm going with the J&J. Was really hoping I could slip through the cracks but guess not.
Posted by: qdpsteve
I've had the J&J months ago due to heightened risk due to medical conditions dealing with autoimmunity and repeated medical treatment. I am in and out of medical facilities for treatment and so I got it. Since having it, been having some significant autoimmune issues which might or might not be related and now understand that at least some of those organizations dealing with autoimmunity issues advise caution.
If you have blood or heart issues, also consult with those docs before doing it.
Posted by: whig at August 19, 2021 06:07 PM (pO7gM)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 19, 2021 06:06 PM (bDqIh)
Non vax are being cast as the witches that are making the milk go sour in our revisiting of the Salem witch trials.
Posted by: Oldcat at August 19, 2021 06:08 PM (eoQWY)
How about this little nugget from the CDC Director?
Additionally, reports from our international colleagues, including Israel, suggest increased risk of severe disease amongst those vaccinated early.
https://youtu.be/ciVGAPuruoQ?t=992
Posted by: bonhomme at August 19, 2021 06:08 PM (UW2ZS)
right, we have no confidence in those numbers. Certainly the correct treatment, especially early (instead of sending them home till they can't breathe) could have reduced the real numbers. But counting all the flu deaths and (from multiple testimonies of ICU nurses and others) they are counting many things as covid to get those sweet federal dollars.
But certainly untreated, for those with comorbidities, covid can be deadly. (but we may well have herd immunity, I'm not clear on the argument that mass vaccination might cause us to lose that herd immunity)
Posted by: illiniwek at August 19, 2021 06:08 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: runner at August 19, 2021 06:08 PM (V13WU)
You probably don't give a shit, but that's a little unfair. The man has been pretty clear and consistent on anything resembling overreach or an encroachment on individual liberty. On the vaccine itself he's been pretty rational and thoughtful. IMHO
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 06:08 PM (kbvR/)
This was not believable... at all. in no way.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at August 19, 2021 06:08 PM (w5raC)
okay that's true but... how many of the 650,000 dead do you want to say are false positives?
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:06 PM (0G13K)
Are you accepting the 650k number as accurate?
Posted by: Just a side note at August 19, 2021 06:08 PM (2DOZq)
thank you. it's been a while.
But knowing your friend died of it, and quickly, despite only being Almost 29, does shape one's impressions about the virus.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:08 PM (0G13K)
Plus, I already had it, back in early 2020. Just before the Great TP Crisis.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at August 19, 2021 06:08 PM (xPJvm)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:48 PM (0G13K)
All the stats I've seen are from government entities. Even hospitals take their cues from government offices. And you're believing them?
Posted by: Justsayin' at August 19, 2021 06:08 PM (Fs5vw)
2. I am not anti-vax, and think people with comorbidities should get the vax. That is not me, and I see no benefit.
3. Also, early on the treatment was all wrong and now we have lots of treatment so if you are not 60+ or have some medical problem, well it is your choice.
4. vaccines for anyone under 30 is stupid.
5. while I am at it, masks are stupid. It aerosolizes on the vocal chords (I used to design evaporators - they vibrate. tiny droplets which act as gas. mask no stop)
6. Vitamin D
7. This is all about power and money.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 19, 2021 06:09 PM (0klsm)
Posted by: runner at August 19, 2021 06:09 PM (V13WU)
Did lockdowns, masks, removing the right to assemble and work help in any way at all?
You can prove it to yourself, maybe, with this quizlet.
If these heroic interventions on society helped it should show in the results.
https://www.covidchartsquiz.com/
Posted by: Kindltot at August 19, 2021 06:09 PM (BbDPD)
Posted by: Soothsayer is a Movie Critic, Now! at August 19, 2021 06:09 PM (f9z5j)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:48 PM (0G13K)
IF you believe their covid death numbers.
I'm....skeptical.
Posted by: Tami
My family's circle knows more than several that have died because of it. Yes, older, but still. I know some young fit folks who got real sick during the first and second waves before Delta, and it messed them up bad, but that was the exception. Everybody else it was a cake walk.
It really is something you have to see to believe. Like I said, South Georgia got the New York Strain in late Feb. it was terrible. The police had to enforce breaking up gatherings of youths for a while, which they try to avoid.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 19, 2021 06:09 PM (8akOE)
They said this from the beginning, the part about you still being able to catch it. that is not new news, period.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:03 PM (0G13K)
**
No, ace. The CDC is STILL saying the shot will keep you from getting COVID, and asking you to tell other people on social media that it will keep you from getting COVID. Scroll down and look at the images.
cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/
communication/vaccination-toolkit.html
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) Afghanistan's the same as Biden increasing insulin costs because Trump did it at August 19, 2021 06:09 PM (em09h)
I assume CDC can count total deaths with decent accuracy and that by and large we properly evaluate when someone is dead, regardless of what caused it.
That being the case--2020 had 503,976k more deaths than 2019. That's a jump of 17.7 percent. They only attribute 378k of those deaths to COVID.
Posted by: TexasDan at August 19, 2021 06:10 PM (Sd2Hw)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:07 PM (0G13K)
Gosh I was already sorry about your friend but I didn't realize that it was Steve. Or you didn't say. Damn.
Posted by: ... at August 19, 2021 06:10 PM (RHcg5)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:07 PM (0G13K)
Since I had the virus and recovered fully, what is your opinion on getting vaccinated? Would you, if you were in my situation?
Posted by: kraken at August 19, 2021 06:10 PM (6Je/Q)
Posted by: qdpsteve (L2ZTs) at August 19, 2021 06:10 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at August 19, 2021 06:10 PM (5HBd1)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 19, 2021 06:11 PM (XSRBF)
Posted by: The Maskless Ranger at August 19, 2021 06:11 PM (hQVBP)
I think that should read "increased risk, from what it was when they initially got the vaccine". So the vaccine wanes, but still is effective at reducing symptoms. It does NOT mean, those that got the vaccine are at increased risk of severe disease, compared to the unvaccinated. (from listening to that segment from the CDC woman)
Posted by: illiniwek at August 19, 2021 06:11 PM (Cus5s)
You can draw a straight line from the day Powell told the UN (and me) about those damned aluminum tubes that Hussein had in Iraq. That was the WMD "evidence" that I finally bought.
We sewed the Pentagon wind and now we reap the Pentagon whirlwind.
Posted by: weirdflunky at August 19, 2021 06:11 PM (cknjq)
Posted by: government here to save you at August 19, 2021 06:12 PM (lNSu6)
I'm sorry.
...
yup. I think he was the first close friend that I know who died. I've lost other people -- older people -- but not people close to me in my Almost 29 cohort.
Just snap! Gone in a week.
He did have covid for a while before my friend checked up on him due to the hallucinations. How long, we don't know. He didn't think he was sick, or at least, did not think he was particularly sick. Just normal sick.
And then-- dead.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:12 PM (0G13K)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 19, 2021 06:12 PM (0klsm)
Then where is all the fucking money going to come from?!
Posted by: Dr. Washington Nearsider, Single and #SuperStraight at August 19, 2021 06:12 PM (cvNl1)
Posted by: Karen 5 at August 19, 2021 06:12 PM (rz+Pj)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 19, 2021 06:13 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: pahound at August 19, 2021 06:13 PM (Z2AXa)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:46 PM (0G13K)
3-4 days of a bad headache and general discomfort- less bad than a 4 day hangover and a Serious crampy monthly cycle but worse than a stubbed toe. Not worth changing the world to avoid. I'd have it 4 times a year, gladly, to end this BS.
Posted by: LASue at August 19, 2021 06:13 PM (Ed8Zd)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:06 PM (0G13K)"
So I'll be personal here for a minute and tell you I had a close family member who died during COVID-19. They definitely did not die from it, they perhaps died with it if the test was right. We all knew this day was coming and how it would go down before COVID-19 was even a factor. They reported that death as COVID-19 and then kept us from holding a funeral. I will never forgive them for that.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 06:13 PM (kbvR/)
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at August 19, 2021 06:13 PM (5HBd1)
**
Yep. The moment when Fauci et al refused to listen to any of the actual practicing medical doctors who were making world-changing discoveries about Ivermectin as a prophylactic was the moment I began getting really uncomfortable with the whole thing.
IIRC places in Africa outright banned its use. Africa. You know. Where people take it for worms and such.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) Afghanistan's the same as Biden increasing insulin costs because Trump did it at August 19, 2021 06:14 PM (em09h)
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at August 19, 2021 06:14 PM (DTX3h)
Posted by: REDACTED at August 19, 2021 06:14 PM (uCLWI)
I know a few people who have had it. A couple were totally wiped out for two weeks. Most of them said it was a cakewalk. Fortunately, I don't personally know anyone who died of it.
I don't know what to think about that. It's odd to me that it hits some people who are younger and healthy with no co-morbidities pretty hard, but most young and healthy people are hardly inconvenienced by it.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 19, 2021 06:14 PM (UW2ZS)
Then where is all the fucking money going to come from?!
Posted by: Dr. Washington Nearsider, Single and #SuperStraight at August 19, 2021 06:12 PM (cvNl1)
looks in mirror; hears sad trombone.
Posted by: LASue at August 19, 2021 06:14 PM (Ed8Zd)
Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 19, 2021 06:14 PM (JTpIQ)
Posted by: government here to save you at August 19, 2021 06:14 PM (lNSu6)
Amazing street guitar performance by Imad Fares " Gipsy Kings " cover Jakub Heliniak
https://youtu.be/2CkB4a0A7cQ
Posted by: BifBewalski @ (VcFUs) - at August 19, 2021 06:14 PM (VcFUs)
Posted by: pahound at August 19, 2021 06:14 PM (Z2AXa)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 19, 2021 06:11 PM (XSRBF)
I've trying to warn people for years about TX. It's not what many people think it is.
Posted by: Justsayin' at August 19, 2021 06:14 PM (Fs5vw)
Two straight days of not being able to sleep, and a fever for the other two. It wasn't fun, but the flu is worse, IMO.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 19, 2021 06:14 PM (XSRBF)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:04 PM (0G13K)
You're taking their 'number' and not allowing that any of the 600k+ might not be accurate.
When it was revealed that hospitals got reimbursed for 'covid deaths', I become...skeptical.
Posted by: Tami at August 19, 2021 06:15 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: TC at August 19, 2021 06:15 PM (VNr/1)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 19, 2021 06:13 PM (kTF2Z)
...
Yes, a 17.7% jump from 2019. 503k more deaths.
I am finding it interesting that the CDC is saying 377k of that is COVID. I don't have time at the moment to see what other categories jumped.
Posted by: TexasDan at August 19, 2021 06:15 PM (Sd2Hw)
(KcqqB)
Nice of you to stop by. I hope things are going well in the horse racing world, although I thought you had gone to your great reward in the pasture in the sky.
Is there some reason you're telling us this now since we've been talking about Covid and the vaccines for quite some time? Do you really think you're going to change peoples minds by insulting them?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 19, 2021 06:15 PM (ai5jE)
I don't know what I'd advise. I THINK natural immunity is just as good (or better) than vax immunity, but the latter is fading, so mightn't the natural version fade, too?
a month ago I would have said natural immunity is fine, but now, I don't know.
I do know that very, very few people with immunity of either kind get seriously sick
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:15 PM (0G13K)
I know a few people who have had it. A couple were totally wiped out for two weeks. Most of them said it was a cakewalk. Fortunately, I don't personally know anyone who died of it.
I don't know what to think about that. It's odd to me that it hits some people who are younger and healthy with no co-morbidities pretty hard, but most young and healthy people are hardly inconvenienced by it.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 19, 2021 06:14 PM (UW2ZS)
I've known quite a few people who have had it. Mid 40s to 60s mostly. Most described it like a bad flu or had basically no symptoms(who knows really could've just been a positive test).
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at August 19, 2021 06:16 PM (z5Vrg)
Posted by: Justsayin'
Yeah, they claim it's awesome, but my son was there for a year of college, and I've been there three times since 2019. It seems great, but the politicians and the leftists are getting worse.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 19, 2021 06:16 PM (XSRBF)
That's possible, but I do note that Dir Walensky is obviously reading her statement, so it's a bit odd that the plain meaning of her words may not be correct.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 19, 2021 06:16 PM (UW2ZS)
Then where is all the fucking money going to come from?!
Posted by: Dr. Washington Nearsider, Single and #SuperStraight at August 19, 2021 06:12 PM (cvNl1)
*waves*
Posted by: REDACTED at August 19, 2021 06:16 PM (uCLWI)
but how many do you want to discount from the 600K figure? Do you want to deduct 10%? 25%? 50%? 100%?
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:16 PM (0G13K)
Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at August 19, 2021 06:16 PM (oWBc3)
They reported that death as COVID-19 and then kept us from holding a funeral. I will never forgive them for that.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 06:13 PM (kbvR/)
Condolences, Marcus... I buried 2 family members in 2020, and no funeral allowed for either one, except in one case we defied the ban because of a minister who had balls and we conducted a tiny graveside services... Covid Nazi Bastards...
Posted by: kraken at August 19, 2021 06:17 PM (6Je/Q)
Posted by: Just a side note at August 19, 2021 06:17 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: ace
The CDC admitted that only 6% of the deaths are directly and solely cause by the coof. The CDC. Itself. That one.
The rest are lumped in with comorbidity deaths. And even Buzzfeed, BUZZFEED had an article last year that said hospitals were incentivized to record patients as coof-positive. There's no cover for the cover-up and hasn't been for a while.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 19, 2021 06:17 PM (1t5dY)
Posted by: Justsayin' at August 19, 2021 06:14 PM (Fs5vw)
Like Fox News?
Posted by: ... at August 19, 2021 06:17 PM (RHcg5)
Posted by: Braenyard at August 19, 2021 06:17 PM (9HYyY)
Posted by: government here to save you at August 19, 2021 06:12 PM (lNSu6)
Yes, we're conveniently ignored but there are millions of us and our antibodies are far superior to those low life vaccine takers.
Immune survivors = superior to all!
Posted by: LASue at August 19, 2021 06:17 PM (Ed8Zd)
Then where is all the fucking money going to come from?!
Posted by: Dr. Washington Nearsider, Single and #SuperStraight at August 19, 2021 06:12 PM (cvNl1)
CHYYYNA. How much of our debt do they already hold?
Posted by: Tami at August 19, 2021 06:17 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 19, 2021 06:18 PM (OoCxN)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:46 PM (0G13K)
--
Even with at-risk, it's really random. I have a close family member who checks off more serious co-morbidity boxes than you can count -- this person basically assumed getting the coof would be a death sentence. Summer of last year, they got tested (required by job), and this person was positive. The results took two weeks to get back to us.
There were no symptoms at all. We thought it was a false positive, but the antibody test (taken later) showed antibodies.
Posted by: Revenant at August 19, 2021 06:18 PM (ydlAE)
Then where is all the fucking money going to come from?!
Posted by: Dr. Washington Nearsider, Single and #SuperStraight at August 19, 2021 06:12 PM (cvNl1)
*Looks at 401K's*
Posted by: Bete at August 19, 2021 06:18 PM (Ojki1)
Posted by: LASue at August 19, 2021 06:17 PM (Ed8Zd)
We shall inherit the Earth.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 19, 2021 06:18 PM (yQpMk)
State Department spokesman Ned Price: "In these unique circumstances, we have no intention of seeking any reimbursement from those fleeing Afghanistan."
Posted by: Tami at August 19, 2021 06:19 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: grammie winger at August 19, 2021 06:19 PM (45fpk)
IIRC places in Africa outright banned its use. Africa. You know. Where people take it for worms and such.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) Afghanistan's the same as Biden increasing insulin costs because Trump did it at August 19, 2021 06:14 PM (em09h)
This is maybe the first time in modern medicine that doctors didn't respond to an illness they didn't fully understand with "hey, let's give you a bunch of pills and see what happens!" Call me paranoid, but not buying that this is a coincidence.
Posted by: CppThis at August 19, 2021 06:19 PM (UewuT)
Right now, it seems that natural immunity is longer lasting and trumps any vaccine oriented immunity. Todd Zwicki at GWU Law School recently won an exemption from being vaccinated because he demonstrated that he had had Covid and had superior immunity to variants because of it.
Right now, the jury is open whether or not vaccines damage any natural immunity or enhance natural immunity from having covid. I do know that a study indicated using a relatively small number of people exposed to the original SARs apparently have immunity to the related Covid virus over a decade later.
Posted by: whig at August 19, 2021 06:19 PM (pO7gM)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:57 PM
---------------
Don't know who you're talking about, but I faced that with my son. Pulled the plug. Will haunt me forever.
Posted by: olddog in mo, Pontoon Captain* (like a real captain, only drunker) at August 19, 2021 06:05 PM (ju2Fy)
Hubs and his brothers had to do that for my MIL last year. It sucked.
Posted by: Jordan61 at August 19, 2021 06:19 PM (K0bra)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:16 PM (0G13K)
Look at the CDC's own numbers for NYC
Total deaths= 33, 679
Confirmed deaths= 28,538
Probable deaths= 5,141
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 06:19 PM (kbvR/)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 19, 2021 06:19 PM (OoCxN)
Posted by: REDACTED at August 19, 2021 06:19 PM (uCLWI)
Posted by: runner at August 19, 2021 06:20 PM (V13WU)
but how many do you want to discount from the 600K figure? Do you want to deduct 10%? 25%? 50%? 100%?
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:16 PM (0G13K)
It's not really possible to get a clean shot of the data right now. Might be a few years. One approach is to look at a narrow set of the data that can be thoroughly vetted and get an estimate of the death rate. Is it actually massively more deadly than the flu on a per case basis? From what I've seen, no.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at August 19, 2021 06:20 PM (z5Vrg)
--
This had the great awakening effect in me that something was off. Not being handled right...for reasons each of us can only speculate. Then came the hard crush of censorship for any other treatment options, for medical doctors, or even people that wanted all the information on the table. Every way they've handled this has felt sneaky, aggressive and dismissive of any other treatments, let alone real concerns being brought to light. It's made me wildly distrustful.
Posted by: Lady in Black at August 19, 2021 06:20 PM (O+I8R)
Covid is a legit risk, but it is not an equal risk to, say, grade schoolers vs. their granparents, the obese and sedentary vs. the fit, those who are overall healthy vs. those dealing with other ailments that out them at risk for a worse reaction to the virus.
If they were pushing the vaccine AND getting active and fit, losing weight, taking vitamin D and getting a lot of sunlight, there would have likely been less resistance to the vaccine. Not that more would get it, but people would not be so stubborn. That's what happens when you lie to them, tell them only your facts matter, and you deserve to dies if you disagree.
And then there the way they have smeared HCQ and ivermectin as dangerous and untested depite both being around for a while/proven safe for treating other ailments, as well as overall how often drugs are used off-label for other illnesses. Suddenly off-label is off-limits and HCG is "dangerous?" BS.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 19, 2021 06:20 PM (bDqIh)
I know a few people who have had it. A couple were totally wiped out for two weeks. Most of them said it was a cakewalk. Fortunately, I don't personally know anyone who died of it.
The last time I had a bad case of the seasonal flu was 30 years ago. It pretty much wiped me out for two weeks. I also remember when the seasonal flu would be attributed to killing thousands.
Posted by: Justsayin' at August 19, 2021 06:20 PM (Fs5vw)
Then where is all the fucking money going to come from?!
Posted by: Dr. Washington Nearsider, Single and #SuperStraight at August 19, 2021 06:12 PM (cvNl1)
CHYYYNA. How much of our debt do they already hold?
Posted by: Tami at August 19, 2021 06:17 PM (cF8AT)
Not as much as the IOUs sitting in the Social Security account. But I'm sure that had nothing to do with Fraudchi helping to fund a virus that targeted the elderly and "Useless Eaters" particularly hard. Nothing at all.
Posted by: Bete at August 19, 2021 06:20 PM (Ojki1)
Then where is all the fucking money going to come from?!
Posted by: Dr. Washington Nearsider
I paid my ass off. And then some.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 19, 2021 06:20 PM (OCTRt)
The rest are lumped in with comorbidity deaths.
...
what does that even mean? Look, my friend had comborbidities but he was in very low risk of dying (he was healthy, active, and employed) until covid.
You're blowing off the covid deaths of people who were overweight. People don't just die of being overweight. They die of being overweight AND getting an illness or syndrome that being overweight is an intensifying factor for.
Is everyone here at 12% bodyfat and are literally 29?
I mean, *I* am, obviously. But is everyone here without any comorbidities at all?
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:20 PM (0G13K)
Posted by: Revenant at August 19, 2021 06:18 PM (ydlAE)
Yep. It's a weird virus because of how it acts in different people. And how it's a coin flip (literally) on whether you're naturally immune or not. BBC:
"This suggests that some people already had a pre-existing degree of resistance against the virus before it ever infected a human. And it appears to be surprisingly prevalent: 40-60% of unexposed individuals had these cells."
https://tinyurl.com/vuv85vrn
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) Afghanistan's the same as Biden increasing insulin costs because Trump did it at August 19, 2021 06:20 PM (em09h)
I don't know what I'd advise. I THINK natural immunity is just as good (or better) than vax immunity, but the latter is fading, so mightn't the natural version fade, too?
a month ago I would have said natural immunity is fine, but now, I don't know.
I do know that very, very few people with immunity of either kind get seriously sick
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:15 PM (0G13K)
Theres a recent study out of India. The recovered have far superior immunity and implies ( not fully studied yet) that vaccinated on top of that could pose problems. Seems logical to me- confusing hell out of a very efficient bodily response team, but you should look for it. Sorry I don't have a link.
Posted by: LASue at August 19, 2021 06:21 PM (Ed8Zd)
Posted by: A dude in MI at August 19, 2021 06:21 PM (/6GbT)
Seems ridiculously silly to exclude common comorbidities like pneumonia and sepsis that are directly related to death by COVID though.
It's just as easy to skew numbers in both directions: deaths caused by whatever plus COVID as a bonus or COVID alone and nothing else whatsoever.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 19, 2021 06:21 PM (+WWsf)
Posted by: kraken at August 19, 2021 06:17 PM (6Je/Q)"
Right back at you. Thanks.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2021 06:21 PM (kbvR/)
Posted by: x at August 19, 2021 06:22 PM (oA+QO)
Posted by: Bete at August 19, 2021 06:18 PM (Ojki1)
I think you're right.
Retirement accounts have been the goal for quite some time, and now, *in this time of crisis and pandemic* we must defer to our most generous nature and share what we've put away with those who have not.
We're effed.
Posted by: Dr. Washington Nearsider, Single and #SuperStraight at August 19, 2021 06:22 PM (cvNl1)
Posted by: olddog in mo, Pontoon Captain* (like a real captain, only drunker) at August 19, 2021 06:05 PM (ju2Fy)
my dad pull the plug on my mom one month after I was born.
his friends always told me that he was never the same, as a way to explain why he took it out on me
I lost both my parents
Posted by: REDACTED at August 19, 2021 06:22 PM (uCLWI)
Posted by: TC at August 19, 2021 06:23 PM (VNr/1)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 19, 2021 06:23 PM (OoCxN)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 05:46 PM (0G13K)
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No not most of the people who get it say that. Some get very sick but it's not most.
Posted by: Just a side note at August 19, 2021 06:23 PM (2DOZq)
i think it might be dose-dependent. If you just get a small dose of the infection, maybe your immune system is able to produce anti-bodies quickly enough to beat the disease back. But if you get more of a dose, you're not able to fight it.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:23 PM (0G13K)
Employers are forcing it on employees, which pisses me off. I had it, I survived it, and I have antibodies. Why would I voluntarily get a vaccine which may cause a blood clot?
But the employers don't care, probably because many are likely getting a kickback or some such reward from the government.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 19, 2021 06:23 PM (XSRBF)
I took the pneumonia shot and got full blown pneumonia.
No I will not take any vaccine.
Posted by: Ben Had at August 19, 2021 06:23 PM (gqCom)
I am sorry; People need to have a "formal" ceremony to mourn if they are people of faith. I am glad you found a minister who would assist in that.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 19, 2021 06:24 PM (ai5jE)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:16 PM (0G13K)
Who knows. They've muddled the data so badly, it's hard to tell.
Posted by: Tami at August 19, 2021 06:24 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: runner at August 19, 2021 06:24 PM (V13WU)
The food poisoning I got last summer was also way worse.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at August 19, 2021 06:24 PM (xPJvm)
... at this time.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 19, 2021 06:25 PM (OoCxN)
Posted by: Just a side note at August 19, 2021 06:25 PM (2DOZq)
And then there the way they have smeared HCQ and ivermectin as dangerous and untested depite both being around for a while/proven safe for treating other ailments, as well as overall how often drugs are used off-label for other illnesses. Suddenly off-label is off-limits and HCG is "dangerous?" BS.
Posted by: Lizzy
There is no such thing as the scientific method involved in this. Rather, there are those pathways that they deem holy writ and anything else is heresy. All this is positively medieval.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 19, 2021 06:25 PM (+2sc/)
Posted by: TC
No.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 19, 2021 06:25 PM (OCTRt)
Posted by: runner
If Ivermectin or HCQ with Zinc were officially recommended and prescribed as a treatment by the FDA and CDC (?), the emergency authorization act for the vaccines would not be valid. It's about money and control.
People are now wising up and demanding Ivermectin, HCQ, or plasma transfusions if very ill. And it's working.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 19, 2021 06:25 PM (8akOE)
I am sorry; People need to have a "formal" ceremony to mourn if they are people of faith. I am glad you found a minister who would assist in that.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 19, 2021 06:24 PM (ai5jE)
I will be forever grateful to the man... the deceaseds widow desperately needed the service...
Posted by: kraken at August 19, 2021 06:25 PM (6Je/Q)
They give you you a certificate saying that you've had it.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 19, 2021 06:26 PM (ai5jE)
Posted by: f'd at August 19, 2021 06:26 PM (Tnijr)
Posted by: Braenyard at August 19, 2021 06:17 PM (9HYyY)
It's all over the UK news, the US, not so much, at all
Posted by: Joe Biden at August 19, 2021 06:26 PM (M+Lyo)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 19, 2021 06:20 PM (bDqIh)
Preach
Posted by: ... at August 19, 2021 06:26 PM (RHcg5)
Thankful doctor just gave a medical exemption for the COVID vaccine.
Posted by: Coki at August 19, 2021 06:26 PM (NVdx1)
I will say, even among people I thought I knew, there is a glee to lashing out at people who don't want a vaccine.
Wouldnt surprise me if this polls well.
Posted by: Blago at August 19, 2021 06:26 PM (zh4hP)
I'd guess that strict no comorbidity means COVID overran someone so quickly that these was absolutely, positively nothing that could have been done to save them.
If they toss in a second cause of death like hypertension, pneumonia, sepsis, etc., then many of those cases aren't pre-existing comorbidities per se, but secondary causes of death brought on by the initial COVID diagnosis. It's a "maybe if we had a surefire way to beat down COVID earlier then these other issues would have been treatable" sorta thing.
People really shouldn't get lost in the semantic weeds about stuff like this.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 19, 2021 06:26 PM (+WWsf)
Posted by: whig at August 19, 2021 06:27 PM (pO7gM)
Which doesn't occur with non-sterilizing immunity vaccs
Posted by: DaveA at August 19, 2021 06:27 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:23 PM (0G13K)
There seems to be a correlation between areas with particularly bad symptoms and prevalence of mass transit. Regularly occupying the same cramped, stuffy spaces with the same set of people day in, day out. And their exhaust.
Posted by: CppThis at August 19, 2021 06:27 PM (UewuT)
Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at August 19, 2021 06:16 PM (oWBc3)
Pressure from home or work makes sense. Tough to stand your ground and walk away if it came to that.
Pressure from blog owner?? Wut?? Last I checked, visitors to a blog can just choose to stop visiting.
Posted by: Doof at August 19, 2021 06:27 PM (mZUr4)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 19, 2021 06:13 PM (kTF2Z)
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Yes, a 17.7% jump from 2019. 503k more deaths.
I am finding it interesting that the CDC is saying 377k of that is COVID. I don't have time at the moment to see what other categories jumped.
Posted by: TexasDan at August 19, 2021 06:15 PM (Sd2Hw)
A doctor/professor at Johns Hopkins wrote an article last fall claiming that the excess death number from the numbers she was getting was very low, perhaps 0. Rather than refute her perhaps bad methods or math, she was unpersoned and nobody was allowed to mention that again.
That doesn't happen when science is really working.
Posted by: Oldcat at August 19, 2021 06:27 PM (eoQWY)
i think it might be dose-dependent. If you just get a small dose of the infection, maybe your immune system is able to produce anti-bodies quickly enough to beat the disease back. But if you get more of a dose, you're not able to fight it.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:23 PM (0G13K)
Pneumonia caused by flus(which is how flus kill people) results partially from an immune system reaction. There's a bunch of stuff that can intersect making something more or less likely to kill you.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at August 19, 2021 06:27 PM (z5Vrg)
And that's all this is. It's punishment for those who will not comply. My body, my choice doesn't count when a Democrat is running things.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 19, 2021 06:27 PM (XSRBF)
but they know exactly how many people have died of WuFlu
here, pull the middle leg
Posted by: REDACTED at August 19, 2021 06:27 PM (uCLWI)
So how many did that kill? I recently heard Dr. Zelenko again, and he pretty much feels ... "Big Gov is killing us" ... would be the simplest summary, from vague memory. We were treating it wrong, then Cuomo and others were murdering nursing home folks, they were actively denying real treatment waiting solely for the Vaccine Magic. ... (but sure covid was real, made more deadly by malicious government intervention)
Posted by: illiniwek at August 19, 2021 06:27 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: Lizzy
It has everything to do with Emergency Authorization of the Vaccines.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 19, 2021 06:27 PM (8akOE)
... at this time.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy is a great start, but there is so much more to be done! at August 19, 2021 06:25 PM (OoCxN)
It would seem that the "Ned Price" variant makes you a fucking ghoul...I'd rather die of the other variants out there.
Posted by: Boswell at August 19, 2021 06:28 PM (5iUNf)
Posted by: kraken at August 19, 2021 06:28 PM (6Je/Q)
Have you wondered at all what happened to the breathless reporting (every year since as long as I can remember) of the seasonal flu?
Why isn't it getting reported anymore?
Posted by: Justsayin' at August 19, 2021 06:28 PM (Fs5vw)
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at August 19, 2021 06:28 PM (RlSZN)
Posted by: Coki at August 19, 2021 06:29 PM (NVdx1)
I was pretty darn sick with the coof, yet my pulse ox stayed in the 90's every time it was checked. But it was about 10 days of nasuea, diarrhea, insomnia, fever, and cold sweats. Didn't start feeling better until I got a monoclonal antibody infusion. So for those who it makes very sick, it doesn't fuck around. Neither should they.
Posted by: Blanco Basura -(SchxB)- moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at August 19, 2021 06:29 PM (SchxB)
Good luck differentiating between pre-existing comorbidities and incidental comorbid secondary cause of death in the summary data.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 19, 2021 06:29 PM (+WWsf)
Posted by: CppThis at August 19, 2021 06:27 PM (UewuT)
I happened to post just before seeing this, but yes. It's these other things that often get you by making the virus "accidentally" more lethal, not the original normal symptoms caused by a flu typically. Presumably covid-19 is relatively similar to other coronaviruses(though possibly not what with the lab stuff).
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at August 19, 2021 06:29 PM (z5Vrg)
Posted by: Justsayin'
Because Covid is sexy, and it's easier to shame people with Covid as opposed to the flu.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 19, 2021 06:29 PM (XSRBF)
I will second that. I'm witnessing it firsthand.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 19, 2021 06:29 PM (Xrfse)
Posted by: ace
Easily 80%. Take out the gun shots, motorcycle accident, 60k - 8k0 from the seasonal flu, (that they recently admitted that their test couldn't differentiate from), etc...
Had a family friend, ten years younger than me, died WITH covid. Extreme asthmatic. Went into the hospital, received the death sentence, (ventilator), and six weeks later his heart gave out.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 19, 2021 06:29 PM (OCTRt)
Nothing good comes out of that behavior.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 19, 2021 06:29 PM (8akOE)
Posted by: f'd at August 19, 2021 06:30 PM (Tnijr)
Posted by: TC at August 19, 2021 06:15 PM (VNr/1)
I got the J&J shot at my pharmacy and they filed it with my prescription insurance so it shows up on it
Posted by: vmom sic semper stabbicus (oEn12) at August 19, 2021 06:30 PM (xM76j)
On the upside, better there than here.
And it's probably time to hit the AoSHQ Tip Jar again. Maybe buy a T-shirt, too.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at August 19, 2021 06:30 PM (aXxgO)
Employers are forcing it on employees, which pisses me off. I had it, I survived it, and I have antibodies. Why would I voluntarily get a vaccine which may cause a blood clot?
But the employers don't care, probably because many are likely getting a kickback or some such reward from the government.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp
Wyatt, google Todd Zwicki, law professor at George Mason Univ. He just won a vaccine exemption from his school based on already having Covid and thus superior immunity to those based on vaccines. He is part of the libertarian law crowd at Volokh Conspiracy now hosted at libertarian Reason website.
You might have to get an antibodies test which CVS does in its minute clinics for about forty bucks at last count.
Posted by: whig at August 19, 2021 06:30 PM (pO7gM)
Posted by: runner at August 19, 2021 06:30 PM (V13WU)
That said, this place tends to be an echo chamber and I can't stand them on either side of the aisle.
But this vaccine thing just makes no sense. No one is asking anyone to be a guinea pig here. Hundreds of millions have taken the vaccine. They work and are as safe as any vaccine. So much misinformation out there.
All the bad things about COVID are coming back and the vaccine hesitant are to blame. The ICUs are filling up and when they can't fit any more people in, the death rate spikes. Back in early 2020 I was lambasted in here for predicting half a million deaths. I was wrong. It's worse than that and each new variant we encounter makes things worse.
I've argued with a lot of people about the vaccine. No one has a good reason not to get it. And given the ICUs are filling up almost exclusively with unvaccinated bozos, it's worth pointing that out. Get the shots. They don't hurt that bad. Everyone in my family had a fine time with them. My wife got sick from Moderna for a day and half, but the rest of us got Pfizer and it was a piece of cake.
Posted by: Seattle Slough at August 19, 2021 06:30 PM (KcqqB)
Posted by: Skip guy who says NOOD at August 19, 2021 06:31 PM (znIQ9)
I wondered about that!
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:31 PM (0G13K)
Posted by: oldraceral at August 19, 2021 06:31 PM (Bfhnl)
Posted by: REDACTED at August 19, 2021 06:31 PM (uCLWI)
Posted by: illiniwek at August 19, 2021 06:31 PM (Cus5s)
You might have to get an antibodies test which CVS does in its minute clinics for about forty bucks at last count.
Posted by: whig
Thanks, I'll look into that.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 19, 2021 06:31 PM (XSRBF)
Posted by: Megthered at August 19, 2021 06:31 PM (7m5X+)
Or who knows, maybe false negative?
I couldn't believe it wasn't covid. Because it sucked. TWICE WITHIN TWO MONTHS.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:32 PM (0G13K)
Posted by: Walter Freeman
Sure, so why are we going regurgitate the 600k figure as if it were holy writ?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 19, 2021 06:32 PM (1t5dY)
Posted by: whig at August 19, 2021 06:30 PM (pO7gM)
I may have to check that out. I donated blood last weekend only to find out they aren't testing for antibodies anymore.
Posted by: Jordan61 at August 19, 2021 06:32 PM (K0bra)
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at August 19, 2021 06:32 PM (5HBd1)
Posted by: Lizzy
It has everything to do with Emergency Authorization of the Vaccines.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe
Can't get EA of a vaccine if their are other treatments available.
As always, FOLLOW THE FUCKING MONEY.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 19, 2021 06:32 PM (OCTRt)
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at August 19, 2021 06:33 PM (RlSZN)
Before it was even reported in the news, I told my wife ever since my heart had strange palpitations.
It was then revealed there are heart complications in some men. So it did something. It's not tin foil hat stuff that this could be worse than the cure.
My own "hot take" is people with "preexisting conditions" are the real selfish people to expect society to change so the .1% feel comfortable at all times.
Posted by: Blago at August 19, 2021 06:33 PM (zh4hP)
So it's the vaccine hesitant causing the vaccinated to get sick in the heaviest vaccinated countries? You can prove this?
Posted by: Blanco Basura -(SchxB)- moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at August 19, 2021 06:33 PM (SchxB)
Fair enough, and I never said it was holy writ; just saying it's not likely off by one or two orders of magnitude.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 19, 2021 06:33 PM (+WWsf)
Posted by: runner at August 19, 2021 06:33 PM (V13WU)
https://bit.ly/3D32Mft
Posted by: bonhomme at August 19, 2021 06:33 PM (UW2ZS)
Posted by: Seattle Slough at August 19, 2021 06:30 PM (KcqqB)
What a dumbass. That's not how viruses work, let alone coronaviruses which mutate very rapidly. Fucking pseudo-intellectual midwits. At least regurgitate the writings of someone intelligent. Pushing the notion that the vaccines would've gotten rid of Covid is the same as putting a dumbass sign on your forehead.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at August 19, 2021 06:33 PM (z5Vrg)
Posted by: Lizzy
yup, they've run a lot of bullshit by us.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2021 06:34 PM (0G13K)
Another relative (in country) got the J&J and had blood clots and is taking anticoagulants for weeks and weeks.
Posted by: Coki at August 19, 2021 06:34 PM (Bb73g)
That's true. And that's not just because of the behavior of the virus, but, more importantly, the behavior of the host immune system at the population level. I've learned a lot about this over the past few months from reading people who actually know what they're talking about.
Over the millennia of natural selection, our immune system has had virus after virus thrown at it. A delicate evolutionary balance has been achieved. Our immune system is very clever at the population level. It manages to play a type of rope-a-dope with a virus to eventually get the population to herd immunity without driving the virus to escape that immune pressure.
The result is the virus will be driven to a "nuisance state" of endemicity or complete harmlessness.
This is not easy. It's the result of a very complex, subtle, and delicate process.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at August 19, 2021 06:34 PM (Mzdiz)
Posted by: runner at August 19, 2021 06:35 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 19, 2021 06:35 PM (1t5dY)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 19, 2021 06:35 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: f'd at August 19, 2021 06:36 PM (Tnijr)
but they know exactly how many people have died of WuFlu"
Pretty succinct.
Worse, in Scenario A, I think "they" would probably like to know the number; in Scenario B, they don't.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at August 19, 2021 06:36 PM (aXxgO)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 19, 2021 06:36 PM (0klsm)
Good grief. Get a grip on reality, would ya.
Posted by: Justsayin' at August 19, 2021 06:36 PM (Fs5vw)
Posted by: Baron bon Mot at August 19, 2021 06:36 PM (egOCw)
Posted by: pahound at August 19, 2021 06:37 PM (Z2AXa)
Other than risking myocarditis, blood clots, or prion disease, just to name some of what's already been seen out there, sure, no reason not to get it. Unless you've already had the disease, then the "vaccine" (actually an experimental gene therapy) will actually suppress your immune response should it attempt to infect you again.
Posted by: Blanco Basura -(SchxB)- moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at August 19, 2021 06:37 PM (SchxB)
Posted by: Lizzy
It has everything to do with Emergency Authorization of the Vaccines.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe
Can't get EA of a vaccine if their are other treatments available.
As always, FOLLOW THE FUCKING MONEY.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 19, 2021 06:32 PM (OCTRt)
When Cuomos little brother got the Covid, his wife ran out to get some bootleg HCQ off the record for him and his family, and all the while he and his network were demonizing that treatment for everyone else.
Posted by: Oldcat at August 19, 2021 06:38 PM (eoQWY)
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Even the control group got the vaccine.
That's not a joke.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) Afghanistan's the same as Biden increasing insulin costs because Trump did it at August 19, 2021 06:38 PM (em09h)
Vaccination is a personal decision and should be a personal decision based on individual factors and risk benefit calculations of THAT INDIVIDUAL AND FAMILY. It not an issue to project moral virtue on oneself for either getting or not getting the vaccine. The science, regardless of what you believe, is not settled on the issue so you have to make your choice and take your chances however you decide. And btw,I have been vaccinated for months by my own choice.
Posted by: whig at August 19, 2021 06:38 PM (pO7gM)
Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 19, 2021 06:29 PM (+WWsf)
Pneumonia and sepsis are consequences of illness. Diabetes, COPD, congestive heart failure, auto immune diseases, etc are easy to separate.
Posted by: Just a side note at August 19, 2021 06:39 PM (2DOZq)
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The same doctors who have no problems prescribing medicine off label in order to chemically castrate boys after their moms saw them touch a dollhouse once.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) Afghanistan's the same as Biden increasing insulin costs because Trump did it at August 19, 2021 06:40 PM (em09h)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 19, 2021 06:40 PM (yQpMk)
Plus if you have the unlucky DNA your heart or your brain explodes.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 19, 2021 06:41 PM (r+sAi)
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Yep.
It's a cold virus. It's amazing how the country doesn't know that.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) Afghanistan's the same as Biden increasing insulin costs because Trump did it at August 19, 2021 06:41 PM (em09h)
Posted by: Just a side note at August 19, 2021 06:42 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Seattle Slough at August 19, 2021 06:30 PM (KcqqB)
I got the vaccine, I support anyone who refuses, but what you said here is simply a lie. There is plenty we don't know about the vaccine, I don't know why people like you pretend you have it all figured out. No one told us about vaccine ineffectiveness after months, no one told us the vaccinated could get sick enough to go into the hospital, no one told us the vaccinated would be spreading it to others, no one said the vaccinated needed to wear a mask, etc.
There are things we do know - like it is not "as safe as any vaccine." I thought the risk was worth it for me. But we aren't even a year into these things and there are many legit questions about safety and efficacy.
Fed up with the snotty hubris of people like you.
Posted by: Colonel Travis at August 19, 2021 06:43 PM (m3h4u)
Exact;y. And Invermectin is "dangerous" -- when the guy who created it got a Nobel prize for it in 2015. There is no higher honor/validation that your science is accepted than thay, yet 6 years later our Science (tm) mouthpieces pretend it's sketchy, untested medicine. If they said this about it's use for covid 19 it would be a feasible argument, but they keep going overboard and saying it's dangerous in general.
The people pushing the vaxx are not trustworthy, and I am for people making their own chouce - not going to tell anyone what to do or not do. This is simply an explanation of why so many have decided to refuse, that this is their chosen 'the hill to die on' vs. all the silly microchip talk, etc.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 19, 2021 06:43 PM (bDqIh)
You've already been assimilated.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 19, 2021 06:43 PM (BFigT)
>>No one has a good reason not to get it.
How about these.
1. I don't take emergency use only, experimental medicine, they ain't paying me to be a test subject so I ain't gonna be their monkey.
2. I am not in a high risk population and don't have any of the associated concomitant co-morbidities.
3. I more than likely had the virus in early 2020 and as a result have better more enduring immunity than can be conferred by the vaccine and being as I work on construction sites in all of the major hotspots, NY, NJ, CT, and PA, I rate this at 100 pct certainty.
4. The Human Immune System is real and it's spectacular and not a right wing conspiracy theory.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 19, 2021 06:43 PM (GOGEo)
Posted by: Blanco Basura -(SchxB)- moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at August 19, 2021 06:44 PM (SchxB)
Posted by: Seattle Slough at August 19, 2021 06:30 PM (KcqqB)
No one? Even CDC will pause from its relentless vaccine-pushing and pivoting positions to say there are reasons for medical exemptions.
You're so aggressive, it makes me wonder, Is your faith in vaccines is faltering?
Just in: Walensky pushing boosters, saying that "increased risk of severe illness amid those who were vaccinated early."
Many people who I love dearly took this experimental vaccines early. And treating them like guinea pigs really angers me.
Posted by: Coki at August 19, 2021 06:44 PM (Bb73g)
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You shouldn't take Ivermectin without multiple ten year long blind studies.
Now shut up and take this entirely new vaccine that will modify your cellular structure.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) Afghanistan's the same as Biden increasing insulin costs because Trump did it at August 19, 2021 06:45 PM (em09h)
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There's a lot of that. Crabs in the pot, angry that dumb people might have been smarter than them, and now insisting that the dumb people do it too so that they're in the same boiling water.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) Afghanistan's the same as Biden increasing insulin costs because Trump did it at August 19, 2021 06:46 PM (em09h)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 19, 2021 06:47 PM (r+sAi)
Paul Newman ("Hombre") says: Have you ever been hungry lady? I mean not just ready for supper but so hungry your belly swells up.
Lady: I don't care how hungry I'd be. I'd never eat one of those camp dogs.
Newman: You'd eat one then you'd fight for the bones.
Lady (head tilted upward): Have you ever eaten a dog?
Newman: Eaten one. Lived like one.
Lady: Dear me.
Posted by: Coki at August 19, 2021 06:48 PM (Bb73g)
Yes. Moderna CEO was interviewed by Boston local news in June said boosters for the forseeable future. It's been part of the plan all along.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 19, 2021 06:50 PM (bDqIh)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 19, 2021 06:47 PM (r+sAi)
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They had also accidentally let it slip that the Delta variant would be scheduled for August 1. Poof, perfect timing!
IIRC there's a screenshot of some WEF meeting somewhere with the schedule laid out.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - (BMWRT) Afghanistan's the same as Biden increasing insulin costs because Trump did it at August 19, 2021 06:50 PM (em09h)
Posted by: ace
Then please explain the inconsistent directives regarding mask wearing based on your vaccination status. Granted, I understand how vaccines are designed. No vaccine prevents the viral infection. It equipts your immune system to produce ample amounts of antibodies to combat. But " they said this from the beginning "? Nah broh.
Posted by: The chicken at August 19, 2021 06:50 PM (FrjjO)
Posted by: Javems at August 19, 2021 06:50 PM (Fm8aX)
https://tinyurl.com/2s5bvmus
MSN a banned hotlink.
BTW, Michigan decided not to release the MI comorbidities data for the public to see back when this article was written.
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at August 19, 2021 06:51 PM (UHVv4)
If you have anything else wrong with you that is not immediate life or death avoid doctors and hospitals as they are no longer trustworthy.
Posted by: Lulu at August 19, 2021 06:52 PM (Ve//x)
Posted by: Lawrence L at August 19, 2021 06:52 PM (FAuXd)
Posted by: Lawrence L at August 19, 2021 06:54 PM (FAuXd)
That's just as bad as wishing unvaxxed die, isnt it?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 19, 2021 06:54 PM (bDqIh)
Posted by: RokShox at August 19, 2021 06:54 PM (fW/Hg)
You're starting to glow there, buddy, this is not a site that doxes.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 19, 2021 06:56 PM (bDqIh)
I fully appreciate the efforts Trump took to speed the vaccines to the market. I was always eager to take it. I think we had a perfect storm of a conservative pushing it through and a democrat making sure it was made available to all.
That said, none of the vaccines were developed by the RNC or the DNC. They are made by large pharmaceutical companies like all such things.
Say what you want. Over 90% of the people dying of COVID are unvaccinated. That is not a coincidence. States with lower vaccination rates have higher death rates. Not a coincidence.
We have morons on our side of the aisle as well. Cowards who don't want to be guinea pigs. But they are happy to let others be guinea pigs for them. I wasn't a coward. I recognized the benefits of a vaccine and I was grateful to take it.
Posted by: Seattle Slough at August 19, 2021 07:17 PM (KcqqB)
Pharmas and the FDA have made grave mistakes before. So implicit trust is foolish.
Your statement about the unvaccinated dying from COVID is unverifiable because, sadly, the data is dirty. That alone is tragic when you consider what we could have learned from the pandemic. Instead, we had Birx, from the beginning, admitting that the data would be tainted, making an honest assessment difficult, and many years off, to correct for the errors.
Calling people cowards for not wanting to be experimented on is absurd. If I was a fool, I could say you were a coward for not wanting to contract COVID and let your immune system fight it out.
The falsehoods and emotional froth is not helping your case.
The bottom line is this: The people on this site are intelligent, informed, and are free to decide what's best for their health, considering their personal needs and circumstances. Risk management. We all do it.
The world is a complex place. Don't expect a jab to make life easy.
Posted by: Coki at August 19, 2021 07:26 PM (Bb73g)
Posted by: Colonel Travis at August 19, 2021 07:26 PM (m3h4u)
Can't wait till those trying to create a two tiered system become the bottom tier, and are tossed into a volcano for it.
Posted by: Rbastid at August 19, 2021 07:37 PM (vyWgS)
Posted by: Gonzotx at August 19, 2021 09:12 PM (0WEXg)
I can see the headlines now, "Black man dies after being denied care". They aren't going to go there. Same issue or worse if they take the black guy and deny the white guy because of his race. They're in bigger trouble then, race is a no no.
Sooner or later an adult will tell them no.
Posted by: CTim Bo at August 19, 2021 09:18 PM (GXrTQ)
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Posted by: Darth Randall at August 19, 2021 09:49 PM (ACjI+)
Or is the consideration only for Trump voters?
Posted by: Darth Randall at August 19, 2021 09:52 PM (ACjI+)
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