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(Warning: math ahead)
Seriously, who the hell teaches math this way? This is not what used to be called the "new math", which was messed up, but I think this is "common core" (i.e. woke) math, which is seriously messed up. Naturally, it had its defenders. Like this guy:This is when I really had it teachers and teacher unions.pic.twitter.com/8fQqGJHvLz
— Hostessquickly (@hostessquickly) July 24, 2021
The one on the left is better. Speed is not the point. You learn what it means to multiply two numbers vs just cranking out a number with the fastest method.Every claim he makes here is wrong. Let's have a look: "Speed is not the point." Au contraire. Speed is very much the point. As we all know (or should know), speed is a component of efficiency and efficiency is the sine qua non of arithmetic calculation. Nobody has time to sit around doodling boxes all day. Also, this is a very simple problem. Try using this method to calculate, say, 68848 X 9273. You'll need a whole new sheet of paper to draw all the boxes you'll need, and then, in the end, you'll have to add up a column of 20 numbers -- which is pretty much what you'd be doing with the traditional method. So I'm not seeing the advantage. "You learn what it means to multiply two numbers..." Really? Says who? After sitting through this video, I can't see how this would be understandable to anyone who isn't already familiar with arithmetic. In fact, I think it makes multiplication even more confusing than it already is, more confusion than it should be. "...just cranking out a number with the fastest method." This is a tacit admission that his preferred method is slow and clunky. So he kind of scored a goal on himself here. And this, by the way, is how they sold the "new math" back in the day. They said: "Just to teach kids to do arithmetic by rote is bad. Bad, bad, bad. It would be far better if we taught them to actually understand the underlying mathematical principles, i.e. why it works rather than just how to do it." Why this would be better is something I never heard them explain. I suppose something like that would be appropriate students intending to major in math or engineering, but the vast majority of students won't be doing anything more arithmetically challenging than balancing their checkbooks, scaling up a recipe, or calculating how much wood you will need for that DIY bookshelf project. The only way I was able to learn math better was to take more math. I ended up with enough math credits in college to qualify as a math minor, but I'm not really all that good at it. It's just that at one point, I noticed that I really didn't understand arithmetic until I took algebra and I really didn't understand algebra until I took geometry and I really didn't understand geometry until I took trigonometry and I really didn't understand trigonometry until I took calculus. I'm convinced that the "new math" was just a bunch of math teachers trying to introduce advanced math concepts to grade-schoolers because they were bored and wanted to teach something else other than "readin', writin', and 'rithmetic." Also, after they introduced the "new math" nationwide, that's when the overall math scores started to deteriorate. They don't talk about that, either. I can't think of how a child would *not* be confused by 'woke' math. All it will do, for the majority of students, will provide a daily helping of confusion, indecision, hopelessness, and fear. Oh and, parents on the thread complained that their kids *had* to do the problems this way. If not, they were marked down. So the element of forced compliance is there, too. Let's see: --confusion
--indecision
--hopelessness
--fear
--forced compliance Is it my imagination, or have these become common themes in 2021? It seems to be what they want. Because *nobody* can seriously think this is a superior way to teach math. I hate to start slinging around conspiracy theories, but if I wanted to purposefully instill in students confusion, hopelessness, despair, nihilism, etc., teaching this 'woke' math is how I'd do it. Because no progressive really wants to teach actual math. Because math is part of objective reality, which, to them, is like a crucifix to a vampire. Math is fixed, unyielding, and doesn't care about your feelings. Every time a 'woke' guy has to calculate gas mileage, it's a reminder to him that there are things in life greater than him, greater than the commissars, greater than the Party bosses, greater than even the Party itself. These Greater Things possess attributes that every man (and woman) must submit to and acknowledge as right and true. And for a progressive, there is no greater blasphemy.
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Comments
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Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:17 AM (3p5uk)
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Now for content.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 26, 2021 10:17 AM (axyOa)
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hiya
Posted by: JT at July 26, 2021 10:18 AM (arJlL)
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luv dat bug aip
Posted by: rhennigantx at July 26, 2021 10:18 AM (yrol0)
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I like pie.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 26, 2021 10:18 AM (Mgzod)
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Shoot...
Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at July 26, 2021 10:18 AM (+ldAm)
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He's Rod Cameron, but I can't place her!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 26, 2021 10:18 AM (/XOcP)
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Well hell Joe, I hope you have a picture of a pretty girl just willing to comfort me in my second place standing.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 26, 2021 10:18 AM (axyOa)
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If speed is not the point, let's just add 35 12's together.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 26, 2021 10:18 AM (yL25O)
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Willowed. Story on Breitbart.
413 Boris Johnson is pushing a social credit system for England.
Get gold stars for buying healthy food, using public transportation, electric cars, etc.
This truly is the end of the beginning.
Posted by: Alabama at July 26, 2021 10:17 AM (4fSQf
413 Boris Johnson is pushing a social credit system for England.
Get gold stars for buying healthy food, using public transportation, electric cars, etc.
This truly is the end of the beginning.
Posted by: Alabama at July 26, 2021 10:17 AM (4fSQf
Posted by: Alabama at July 26, 2021 10:19 AM (4fSQf)
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Vera Hruba Ralston
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2021 10:19 AM (2JVJo)
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Corgis called.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 26, 2021 10:19 AM (OCTRt)
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Seriously, who the hell teaches math this way?
___
Daughter is teaching the g-babies their multiplication tables.
Funny, not a hint of that new math crap.
That video gave me a headache, btw.
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Daughter is teaching the g-babies their multiplication tables.
Funny, not a hint of that new math crap.
That video gave me a headache, btw.
Posted by: SMH at July 26, 2021 10:20 AM (hjWtA)
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413 Boris Johnson is pushing a social credit system for England.
Get gold stars for buying healthy food, using public transportation, electric cars, etc.
Boris... You first
Get gold stars for buying healthy food, using public transportation, electric cars, etc.
Boris... You first
Posted by: It's me donna at July 26, 2021 10:21 AM (Zmnko)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2021 10:21 AM (csEWM)
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11 Vera Hruba Ralston
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2021 10:19 AM (2JVJo)
Yes, indeed.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2021 10:19 AM (2JVJo)
Yes, indeed.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 26, 2021 10:21 AM (NN39P)
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Fuck you, Boris.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2021 10:21 AM (csEWM)
Hey Boris, Natasha was doing the squirrel.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2021 10:21 AM (csEWM)
Hey Boris, Natasha was doing the squirrel.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 26, 2021 10:22 AM (axyOa)
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I laughed at the Nolan Ryan/Lebron comparison.
Posted by: JT at July 26, 2021 10:22 AM (arJlL)
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Ralston was a Czech figure skater who was the mistress of Herbert Yates, the chief of Republic, one of the "Poverty Row" studios in old Hollywood. He was besotted with her and kept pushing directors and writers to create vehicles for her, so much so that I believe studio shareholders once sued him to stop it, because her movies cost the studio more to make than they made in profit.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2021 10:22 AM (2JVJo)
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Boris Johnson is pushing a social credit system for England.
Get gold stars for buying healthy food, using public transportation, electric cars, etc.
This truly is the end of the beginning.
Posted by: Alabama
I'm sure that'll go over well with the goat humpers.
Get gold stars for buying healthy food, using public transportation, electric cars, etc.
This truly is the end of the beginning.
Posted by: Alabama
I'm sure that'll go over well with the goat humpers.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 26, 2021 10:22 AM (OCTRt)
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Why was it important to 'show your work'? (Other than to ensure you weren't cheating by copying from Darlene. )
Posted by: Tonypete at July 26, 2021 10:22 AM (6WCwE)
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Is that New Yorker cover real?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:22 AM (3p5uk)
Posted by: Tonypete at July 26, 2021 10:23 AM (6WCwE)
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I wonder if India and China are teaching their kids math the old way or the new?
Posted by: red speck at July 26, 2021 10:23 AM (gS3OW)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 26, 2021 10:24 AM (2SdPm)
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That video gave me a headache, btw.
Posted by: SMH at July 26, 2021 10:20 AM (hjWtA)
The subtraction one a little further down is what did it for me.
Posted by: SMH at July 26, 2021 10:20 AM (hjWtA)
The subtraction one a little further down is what did it for me.
Posted by: Jordan61-(Ez6QX) at July 26, 2021 10:24 AM (Ez6QX)
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9 If speed is not the point, let's just add 35 12's together.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 26, 2021 10:18 AM (yL25O)
I kind of do what she does but in my head.
10 35s is 350
2 35s is 70
so 420
*damn looks around for pipe and lighter*
Posted by: TexasDan at July 26, 2021 10:18 AM (yL25O)
I kind of do what she does but in my head.
10 35s is 350
2 35s is 70
so 420
*damn looks around for pipe and lighter*
Posted by: rhennigantx at July 26, 2021 10:24 AM (yrol0)
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I have finished my novel!
I need a couple of weeks to type up what I've written and do some editing, then out it goes to beta readers.
But it's DONE!
I have finished my novel!
I need a couple of weeks to type up what I've written and do some editing, then out it goes to beta readers.
But it's DONE!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2021 10:24 AM (2JVJo)
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*Gorilla*
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Posted by: westminsterdogshow at July 26, 2021 10:25 AM (1kYZ+)
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Math teacher going to disagree completely with the premise...
What method are you *really* going to use to calculate 68848 X 9273?
It's 2021, you're going to use a calculator, and likely not a single-purpose calculator, but an app on a computing device.
I have nostalgia for the "traditional" multiplication and long division algorithms, but they just aren't relevant for 21st century living.
Teaching *why* the multiplication algorithm works IS more useful than just teaching the multiplication algorithm.
What method are you *really* going to use to calculate 68848 X 9273?
It's 2021, you're going to use a calculator, and likely not a single-purpose calculator, but an app on a computing device.
I have nostalgia for the "traditional" multiplication and long division algorithms, but they just aren't relevant for 21st century living.
Teaching *why* the multiplication algorithm works IS more useful than just teaching the multiplication algorithm.
Posted by: PhilipNolan at July 26, 2021 10:25 AM (D0O0Q)
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That Common Core Subtraction is actually efficient but it's terribly explained, and the example is even worse.
Let's say somebody was born in 1964. How old is that person now?
It's quicker to do 2000 -1964 = 36, then 36 + 21 = 57 than substracting 2021 - 1964. I've been using that method for decades.
The method is handy for 4-digit numbers, not just every number though.
Let's say somebody was born in 1964. How old is that person now?
It's quicker to do 2000 -1964 = 36, then 36 + 21 = 57 than substracting 2021 - 1964. I've been using that method for decades.
The method is handy for 4-digit numbers, not just every number though.
Posted by: pyuer at July 26, 2021 10:25 AM (F0gty)
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Math is supposed to be hard. We need to know who's capable of designing bridges and who's capable of laying asphalt
Posted by: Alabama at July 26, 2021 10:25 AM (4fSQf)
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Congrats MPPPP!
Posted by: Tonypete at July 26, 2021 10:25 AM (6WCwE)
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19 Ralston was a Czech figure skater who was the mistress of Herbert Yates, the chief of Republic, one of the "Poverty Row" studios in old Hollywood. He was besotted with her and kept pushing directors and writers to create vehicles for her, so much so that I believe studio shareholders once sued him to stop it, because her movies cost the studio more to make than they made in profit.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2021 10:22 AM (2JVJo)
Heh. From imdb:
"Interviewed by Johnny Carson on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson (1962), Maureen Stapleton was asked what she did to make herself feel better when she knew she'd given a bad performance. "I look through the TV Guide and try to find a Vera Hruba Ralston picture to watch," said Stapleton, "because I know, no matter how bad a performance I may have given, I could NEVER be as bad as she was!"."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2021 10:22 AM (2JVJo)
Heh. From imdb:
"Interviewed by Johnny Carson on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson (1962), Maureen Stapleton was asked what she did to make herself feel better when she knew she'd given a bad performance. "I look through the TV Guide and try to find a Vera Hruba Ralston picture to watch," said Stapleton, "because I know, no matter how bad a performance I may have given, I could NEVER be as bad as she was!"."
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 26, 2021 10:25 AM (NN39P)
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The duck should try some of that pie. Mmmmh
Posted by: Corona-exile lost in spaces at July 26, 2021 10:25 AM (Gjs/G)
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I'm sure that'll go over well with the goat humpers.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 26, 2021 10:22 AM (OCTRt)
It won't apply to them. This is always about applying hobbles to your enemy. It is rules for the enemy to live by. It makes your political enemies less and less able to live if they disagree with you.
If you give in, the pain will stop.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 26, 2021 10:22 AM (OCTRt)
It won't apply to them. This is always about applying hobbles to your enemy. It is rules for the enemy to live by. It makes your political enemies less and less able to live if they disagree with you.
If you give in, the pain will stop.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2021 10:26 AM (csEWM)
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Let's say somebody was born in 1964. How old is that person now?
It's quicker to do 2000 -1964 = 36, then 36 + 21 = 57 than substracting 2021 - 1964. I've been using that method for decades.
The method is handy for 4-digit numbers, not just every number though.
Posted by: pyuer
Couldn't you just ask them?
I know - I'm a problem solver.
It's quicker to do 2000 -1964 = 36, then 36 + 21 = 57 than substracting 2021 - 1964. I've been using that method for decades.
The method is handy for 4-digit numbers, not just every number though.
Posted by: pyuer
Couldn't you just ask them?
I know - I'm a problem solver.
Posted by: Tonypete at July 26, 2021 10:26 AM (6WCwE)
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It shows how smart people do math in their head, while driving, when Siri is turned off, and alone. People like this are often alone.
Posted by: Igotnothing at July 26, 2021 10:26 AM (xf2hT)
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Good morning, OM, good morning, Horde,
Public school was created to cripple kids (see John Taylor Gatto on YouTube or in print).
Common core math is just the next step of conditioning kids to hate math, and learning in general.
Public school was created to cripple kids (see John Taylor Gatto on YouTube or in print).
Common core math is just the next step of conditioning kids to hate math, and learning in general.
Posted by: callsign claymore at July 26, 2021 10:26 AM (5SuyB)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 26, 2021 10:26 AM (2SdPm)
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Who dis: Grandma & Grandpa.
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at July 26, 2021 10:26 AM (AiZBA)
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You learn what it means to multiply two numbers vs just cranking out a number with the fastest method.
What the hell does that even mean? Multiplying two numbers is basically saying you have this many sets of something, what's the total. The way she explains it complicates that to a ridiculous degree.
What the hell does that even mean? Multiplying two numbers is basically saying you have this many sets of something, what's the total. The way she explains it complicates that to a ridiculous degree.
Posted by: Flyguy at July 26, 2021 10:27 AM (3sOO0)
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Couldn't you just ask them?
I know - I'm a problem solver.
Posted by: Tonypete at July 26, 2021 10:26 AM (6WCwE)
You could if it is a man!
I know - I'm a problem solver.
Posted by: Tonypete at July 26, 2021 10:26 AM (6WCwE)
You could if it is a man!
Posted by: rhennigantx at July 26, 2021 10:27 AM (yrol0)
Posted by: garrett at July 26, 2021 10:27 AM (VOopy)
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Is that New Yorker cover real?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:22 AM (3p5uk)
Someone's been taking New Woke Reading courses at night school.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:22 AM (3p5uk)
Someone's been taking New Woke Reading courses at night school.
Posted by: naturalfake at July 26, 2021 10:27 AM (5NkmN)
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But it's DONE!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2021 10:24 AM (2JVJo)
Congrats! Glad your weekend went as you hoped and not as you feared.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2021 10:24 AM (2JVJo)
Congrats! Glad your weekend went as you hoped and not as you feared.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 26, 2021 10:28 AM (1lKRm)
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A bad leg cramp is no fun, I'll admit. I am pretty sure I would not want anyone fucking touching me while I have one though.
Jeez. Leave me the fuck alone and let me walk it off.
Jeez. Leave me the fuck alone and let me walk it off.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2021 10:28 AM (csEWM)
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When the burning times come you'll be glad you can do math with a stick in the dirt...
Posted by: Dude at July 26, 2021 10:28 AM (vlCHn)
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When I was in the 3rd grade, we learned multiplication tables by rote. That made it possible for me to multiply larger numbers in my head without all that crapola the teacher was writing on the board. When I was in 4th grade, we started on long division with something similar to what she is doing. I had to come home and ask my mother how to do it. She showed me a much simpler way, but for school, I had to do the work on scratch paper and then figure out how to write it the teacher's way on my homework.
Posted by: huerfano at July 26, 2021 10:28 AM (MzKgG)
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Couldn't you just ask them?
I know - I'm a problem solver.
Posted by: Tonypete at July 26, 2021 10:26 AM (6WCwE)
Let me guess. You never had a girlfriend?
I know - I'm a problem solver.
Posted by: Tonypete at July 26, 2021 10:26 AM (6WCwE)
Let me guess. You never had a girlfriend?
Posted by: pyuer at July 26, 2021 10:28 AM (F0gty)
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The should teach Russian peasant multiplication. It's the easiest way I've seen to multiply large numbers.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 26, 2021 10:28 AM (Y5qcH)
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32 That Common Core Subtraction is actually efficient but it's terribly explained, and the example is even worse.
Posted by: pyuer at July 26, 2021 10:25 AM (F0gty)
The point they're trying to get across is that you can break things apart into different (and ideally easier) problems as you note. Problem is that generally that's unnecessary and as a whole it's an impediment to making sure people generally understand the algorithmic and reasonably fast approach.
Posted by: pyuer at July 26, 2021 10:25 AM (F0gty)
The point they're trying to get across is that you can break things apart into different (and ideally easier) problems as you note. Problem is that generally that's unnecessary and as a whole it's an impediment to making sure people generally understand the algorithmic and reasonably fast approach.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 26, 2021 10:28 AM (z5Vrg)
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What method are you *really* going to use to calculate 68848 X 9273?
It's 2021, you're going to use a calculator, and likely not a single-purpose calculator, but an app on a computing device.
Posted by: PhilipNolan
I like the argument they use, "what if there are no computing devices?"
Then I probably won't have a reason to need to multiply 68848 x 9273. I'll probably be too busy hunting for food.
It's 2021, you're going to use a calculator, and likely not a single-purpose calculator, but an app on a computing device.
Posted by: PhilipNolan
I like the argument they use, "what if there are no computing devices?"
Then I probably won't have a reason to need to multiply 68848 x 9273. I'll probably be too busy hunting for food.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 26, 2021 10:29 AM (OCTRt)
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>>It's quicker to do 2000 -1964 = 36, then 36 + 21 = 57 than substracting 2021 - 1964. I've been using that method for decades.
2021 - 1964
Looking at it, makes me take the 7 out and then add it to the 50 that is obvious once it is out of there.
2021 - 1964
Looking at it, makes me take the 7 out and then add it to the 50 that is obvious once it is out of there.
Posted by: garrett at July 26, 2021 10:29 AM (VOopy)
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Woke math is nothing but a parlor trick.
Posted by: Cate at July 26, 2021 10:29 AM (D9+Tl)
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Teaching *why* the multiplication algorithm works IS more useful than just teaching the multiplication algorithm.
Posted by: PhilipNolan at July 26, 2021 10:25 AM (D0O0Q)
Most people who only need to use basic 4-function arithmetic don't give a shit about "why", they only want the correct answer.
Only math and science majors care about the "why"
Posted by: PhilipNolan at July 26, 2021 10:25 AM (D0O0Q)
Most people who only need to use basic 4-function arithmetic don't give a shit about "why", they only want the correct answer.
Only math and science majors care about the "why"
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 26, 2021 10:29 AM (NN39P)
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Woke math is about egalitarianism. It's about making everyone stupid in math and slowing down smart people. What was that story about the couple ice skating or dancing or whatever with chains and masks?
Posted by: squid_hunt at July 26, 2021 10:29 AM (B0mGw)
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Seriously, who the hell teaches math this way?
This is not what used to be called the "new math", which was messed up, but I think this is "common core" (i.e. woke) math, which is seriously messed up.
++++
Common Core seeks to show that everything is constructed from layers below it - multiplication is just a shorthand for "lots of addition.". It is also aggressively focused on tens and even multiples of ten, because it is easy (just add and subtract zeroes). The example video makes this clear in the "35*12" problem. Instead of treating that as one problem, you can instead expand it "(30*10) + (30*2) + (5*10) + (5*2)" to arrive at the answer of "420" by using easy, tens-based addition instead of harder multiplication. [yes, I know the parens were superfluous, it just makes it easier to read]
A problem with this is that it's extremely slow and error-prone. More steps take more time and provide more opportunity for error. This also expands geometrically - imagine doing that with five-digit numbers! This approach may actually make algebra easier down the road (I don't know). Rote memorization sucks, but it is necessary because it accelerates *everything* later.
This is not what used to be called the "new math", which was messed up, but I think this is "common core" (i.e. woke) math, which is seriously messed up.
++++
Common Core seeks to show that everything is constructed from layers below it - multiplication is just a shorthand for "lots of addition.". It is also aggressively focused on tens and even multiples of ten, because it is easy (just add and subtract zeroes). The example video makes this clear in the "35*12" problem. Instead of treating that as one problem, you can instead expand it "(30*10) + (30*2) + (5*10) + (5*2)" to arrive at the answer of "420" by using easy, tens-based addition instead of harder multiplication. [yes, I know the parens were superfluous, it just makes it easier to read]
A problem with this is that it's extremely slow and error-prone. More steps take more time and provide more opportunity for error. This also expands geometrically - imagine doing that with five-digit numbers! This approach may actually make algebra easier down the road (I don't know). Rote memorization sucks, but it is necessary because it accelerates *everything* later.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:29 AM (3p5uk)
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I do math I my head as much as possible. I'm good up to three digit multiplication.
I use the tens method I was taught in grade school.
37 x 14
10 x 37 = 370
4 x 30 = 120
4 x 7 = 28
Add up 370, 120 and 28.
I use the tens method I was taught in grade school.
37 x 14
10 x 37 = 370
4 x 30 = 120
4 x 7 = 28
Add up 370, 120 and 28.
Posted by: Alabama at July 26, 2021 10:29 AM (4fSQf)
61
at least the teacher's writing is neat
Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2021 10:29 AM (Xih1H)
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I kind of do what she does but in my head.
10 35s is 350
2 35s is 70
so 420
*damn looks around for pipe and lighter*
Posted by: rhennigantx at July 26, 2021 10:24 AM (yrol0)
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For certain computations that is absolutely the thing to do. At one point I could do differential equations but I still do 5+7 by breaking 5 into 2 +3, making 7+3+10, and 10+2 is 12.
But I do it really fast now.
10 35s is 350
2 35s is 70
so 420
*damn looks around for pipe and lighter*
Posted by: rhennigantx at July 26, 2021 10:24 AM (yrol0)
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For certain computations that is absolutely the thing to do. At one point I could do differential equations but I still do 5+7 by breaking 5 into 2 +3, making 7+3+10, and 10+2 is 12.
But I do it really fast now.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 26, 2021 10:30 AM (yL25O)
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If you have 1000 ditches filled with 1000 kulaks each, how many dead kulaks are there total?
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 26, 2021 10:30 AM (s3BR3)
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I'm convinced that the "new math" was just a bunch of math teachers
trying to introduce advanced math concepts to grade-schoolers because
they were bored and wanted to teach something else other than "readin',
writin', and 'rithmetic."
Also, they were embarrassed because parents at home could show kids how to get the correct answer, so they had to make it impenetrable in order to reinforce that teachers are special and highly skilled. Aztec priests used to do the same thing.
trying to introduce advanced math concepts to grade-schoolers because
they were bored and wanted to teach something else other than "readin',
writin', and 'rithmetic."
Also, they were embarrassed because parents at home could show kids how to get the correct answer, so they had to make it impenetrable in order to reinforce that teachers are special and highly skilled. Aztec priests used to do the same thing.
Posted by: pep at July 26, 2021 10:30 AM (ZsR3z)
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Math? Why is there math here?
Posted by: Weasel at July 26, 2021 10:30 AM (MVjcR)
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Yeah, could just imagine Navy Nuc School with the new math...
We would do a thing called Math minutes, where you had 100 or so simple math problems to do, in ONE MINUTE.
Things like 3 digit multiplication or subtraction problems, and it was about both speed AND accuracy...
They did it so you could get a sense of numbers... do this day I can look at almost any simple math problem and without even figuring it, tell you if that answer is correct or not.
We would do a thing called Math minutes, where you had 100 or so simple math problems to do, in ONE MINUTE.
Things like 3 digit multiplication or subtraction problems, and it was about both speed AND accuracy...
They did it so you could get a sense of numbers... do this day I can look at almost any simple math problem and without even figuring it, tell you if that answer is correct or not.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 26, 2021 10:30 AM (oHd/0)
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counting up aka making change
Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2021 10:30 AM (Xih1H)
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10 times first number, double it.. Add. All in the head, takes 2 seconds.
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at July 26, 2021 10:30 AM (ySQBZ)
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Mmmm...pie...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at July 26, 2021 10:30 AM (HaL55)
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46 Is that New Yorker cover real?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:22 AM (3p5uk)
Look carefully at the magazine title.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:22 AM (3p5uk)
Look carefully at the magazine title.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 26, 2021 10:30 AM (NN39P)
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65 Math? Why is there math here?
Posted by: Weasel at July 26, 2021 10:30 AM (MVjcR)
I'm not seeing any REAL Math, just Social Justice Math.
Posted by: Weasel at July 26, 2021 10:30 AM (MVjcR)
I'm not seeing any REAL Math, just Social Justice Math.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 26, 2021 10:31 AM (oHd/0)
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Watch me never drive a car, cross a bridge or fly in a plane built using this "math".
Posted by: irongrampa at July 26, 2021 10:31 AM (KATBx)
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52 They should teach Russian peasant multiplication. It's the easiest way I've seen to multiply large numbers.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 26, 2021 10:28 AM (Y5qcH)
^THIS
But they'd be accused of Russian colusion.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 26, 2021 10:28 AM (Y5qcH)
^THIS
But they'd be accused of Russian colusion.
Posted by: pyuer at July 26, 2021 10:31 AM (wwOpQ)
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Like OM, I learned enough math in college to qualify for a math minor. Even though I'm not very good at the higher forms of mathematics (e.g. differential equations), I have a VERY firm appreciation of the reality of mathematics. Learning to calculate efficiently is extremely important. If you are out in the field, you may or may not have access to a calculator, but you always have access to your brain.
I regularly hear from faculty about woefully unprepared students are for math in STEM fields. It's a systemic problem that goes all the way back to this crap.
I regularly hear from faculty about woefully unprepared students are for math in STEM fields. It's a systemic problem that goes all the way back to this crap.
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at July 26, 2021 10:31 AM (K5n5d)
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Rote memorization sucks, but it is necessary because it accelerates *everything* later.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:29 AM (3p5uk)
I think we had to know every square up to 25 (625) by Christmas break in 5th grade. I had actually learned it the year before as 4th grade teacher hated my and put me in 5th grade class. So the next year I just went to another 5th grade teachers class.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:29 AM (3p5uk)
I think we had to know every square up to 25 (625) by Christmas break in 5th grade. I had actually learned it the year before as 4th grade teacher hated my and put me in 5th grade class. So the next year I just went to another 5th grade teachers class.
Posted by: rhennigantx at July 26, 2021 10:32 AM (yrol0)
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Social justice math:
What is 24 x 89?
Answer: America is a racist country founded on racisy racism.
What is 24 x 89?
Answer: America is a racist country founded on racisy racism.
Posted by: Alabama at July 26, 2021 10:32 AM (4fSQf)
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But you should know WHY multiplication works from 3rd grade. 3 sets of 3 stuff. Why keep going through that?
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at July 26, 2021 10:32 AM (ySQBZ)
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Binary math is also extremely easy. All you need to know is 1's and 0's. You can do very large numbers that way and then convert the answers to base 10.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 26, 2021 10:32 AM (Y5qcH)
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I thought there was no math here. What is this, Festival?
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at July 26, 2021 10:32 AM (dfRN6)
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Math is supposed to be hard. We need to know who's capable of designing bridges and who's capable of laying asphalt
Posted by: Alabama at July 26, 2021 10:25 AM (4fSQf)
in most situations, including politics, I would go with the asphalt guy.
Posted by: Alabama at July 26, 2021 10:25 AM (4fSQf)
in most situations, including politics, I would go with the asphalt guy.
Posted by: Quint at July 26, 2021 10:32 AM (F2/Ok)
Posted by: micky at July 26, 2021 10:32 AM (3byMq)
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Look carefully at the magazine title.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 26, 2021 10:30 AM (NN39P)
++++
Sigh.
I have the dumb.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 26, 2021 10:30 AM (NN39P)
++++
Sigh.
I have the dumb.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:33 AM (3p5uk)
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Look carefully at the magazine title.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 26, 2021 10:30 AM (NN39P)
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I had to look again.
Holy crap, it's sad when parody is indistinguishable from reality.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 26, 2021 10:30 AM (NN39P)
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I had to look again.
Holy crap, it's sad when parody is indistinguishable from reality.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 26, 2021 10:33 AM (2SdPm)
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at July 26, 2021 10:33 AM (sWM8x)
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I hold all "new curriculum" with a great deal of skepticism.
The main point of "common core" IMO was to sever the ability of parents to help their kids with homework.
The removal of parents from the education process is crucial for wokeism / socialism to advance, because once you get the parents disengaged from what the kids are learning at even the simplest of levels, THEN the Bad Actors can start shoveling all sorts of woke shit into the kids' heads without any sort of check or challenge.
The way we learned was perfectly fine. But it is savaged today by "new curriculum" as the Sage on the Stage which does not incorporate collaboration, diversity, or social/emotional learning (SEL) into the session.
It is dangerous stuff, y'all. Mrs. Reason and I have been watching this play out in Texas for a while now. It is one of the main reasons we homeschool.
The main point of "common core" IMO was to sever the ability of parents to help their kids with homework.
The removal of parents from the education process is crucial for wokeism / socialism to advance, because once you get the parents disengaged from what the kids are learning at even the simplest of levels, THEN the Bad Actors can start shoveling all sorts of woke shit into the kids' heads without any sort of check or challenge.
The way we learned was perfectly fine. But it is savaged today by "new curriculum" as the Sage on the Stage which does not incorporate collaboration, diversity, or social/emotional learning (SEL) into the session.
It is dangerous stuff, y'all. Mrs. Reason and I have been watching this play out in Texas for a while now. It is one of the main reasons we homeschool.
Posted by: reason at July 26, 2021 10:34 AM (kZVsz)
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32 That Common Core Subtraction is actually efficient but it's terribly explained, and the example is even worse.
Let's say somebody was born in 1964. How old is that person now?
It's quicker to do 2000 -1964 = 36, then 36 + 21 = 57 than substracting 2021 - 1964. I've been using that method for decades.
The method is handy for 4-digit numbers, not just every number though. Posted by: pyuer at July 26, 2021 10:25 AM (F0gty
That is not what they did. For instance your first step was subtraction. They're doing addition. Yea there are multiple tricks and shortcuts to math you can use to simplify it to do it in your head vs writing it out. But that counting up is just garbage and needlessly complicated. A five step process is not efficient in that case.
Let's say somebody was born in 1964. How old is that person now?
It's quicker to do 2000 -1964 = 36, then 36 + 21 = 57 than substracting 2021 - 1964. I've been using that method for decades.
The method is handy for 4-digit numbers, not just every number though. Posted by: pyuer at July 26, 2021 10:25 AM (F0gty
That is not what they did. For instance your first step was subtraction. They're doing addition. Yea there are multiple tricks and shortcuts to math you can use to simplify it to do it in your head vs writing it out. But that counting up is just garbage and needlessly complicated. A five step process is not efficient in that case.
Posted by: Buzzion at July 26, 2021 10:34 AM (G2zl5)
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I think we had to know every square up to 25 (625) by Christmas break in 5th grade. I had actually learned it the year before as 4th grade teacher hated my and put me in 5th grade class. So the next year I just went to another 5th grade teachers class.
Posted by: rhennigantx at July 26, 2021 10:32 AM (yrol0)
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Yep, it's invaluable. As an engineer I actually estimate *whole* lot of calculations for prelim stuff or spot checks, and I use the squares a lot.
I also have a lot of decimal equivalents of fractional inches and foot to inch decimal equivalents memorized.
Posted by: rhennigantx at July 26, 2021 10:32 AM (yrol0)
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Yep, it's invaluable. As an engineer I actually estimate *whole* lot of calculations for prelim stuff or spot checks, and I use the squares a lot.
I also have a lot of decimal equivalents of fractional inches and foot to inch decimal equivalents memorized.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 26, 2021 10:34 AM (yL25O)
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I am no math whizz to say the least. But I remember a quiz where I got every question right but was downgraded because I didn't show my work. I figured it out my own way, not the way they wanted me to do it. I guess that is why I got into liberal arts.
Posted by: Quint at July 26, 2021 10:34 AM (F2/Ok)
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A problem with this is that it's extremely slow and error-prone. More steps take more time and provide more opportunity for error. This also expands geometrically - imagine doing that with five-digit numbers! This approach may actually make algebra easier down the road (I don't know). Rote memorization sucks, but it is necessary because it accelerates *everything* later.
They are trying to teach underlying concepts when the majority of kids never need to understand the underlying concepts. Also, the kids who do need those concepts almost always figure them out on their own.
The first 6 years of math are simply drill and kill. You learn to add, subtract, multiply, divide, decimals, and fractions. You should be able to do everything on paper, without a calculator, and at speed.
After that it's algebra and geometry. Only STEM people need beyond that.
Common Core is a mess because it assumes every kid is a college bound savant.
They are trying to teach underlying concepts when the majority of kids never need to understand the underlying concepts. Also, the kids who do need those concepts almost always figure them out on their own.
The first 6 years of math are simply drill and kill. You learn to add, subtract, multiply, divide, decimals, and fractions. You should be able to do everything on paper, without a calculator, and at speed.
After that it's algebra and geometry. Only STEM people need beyond that.
Common Core is a mess because it assumes every kid is a college bound savant.
Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at July 26, 2021 10:34 AM (EpDzw)
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But it's DONE!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2021 10:24 AM (2JVJo)
Congratulations!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2021 10:24 AM (2JVJo)
Congratulations!
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 26, 2021 10:34 AM (NN39P)
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Most people who only need to use basic 4-function arithmetic don't give a shit about "why", they only want the correct answer.
Only math and science majors care about the "why"
This is correct. Regardless, if the "new" method actually led to better outcomes, I'd consider it, but since it doesn't, "old" math is the best way to make the masses numerate. But that's not what this nonsense is about.
Only math and science majors care about the "why"
This is correct. Regardless, if the "new" method actually led to better outcomes, I'd consider it, but since it doesn't, "old" math is the best way to make the masses numerate. But that's not what this nonsense is about.
Posted by: pep at July 26, 2021 10:34 AM (ZsR3z)
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They did it so you could get a sense of numbers... do this day I can
look at almost any simple math problem and without even figuring it,
tell you if that answer is correct or not.
*fistbump* Got good at that in machine shops. I hate to think of just how many lines of CNC G-code I wrote and read over the years. It's a lot.
look at almost any simple math problem and without even figuring it,
tell you if that answer is correct or not.
*fistbump* Got good at that in machine shops. I hate to think of just how many lines of CNC G-code I wrote and read over the years. It's a lot.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at July 26, 2021 10:34 AM (HaL55)
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You can subtract two numbers by "counting up" from the smaller number...
****
1. What does it even mean to "subtract two numbers"?
B. Why not just count up from zero to the larger number and then subtract the smaller number from that?
iii. We're going to need a sh!t ton of fingers and toes.
****
1. What does it even mean to "subtract two numbers"?
B. Why not just count up from zero to the larger number and then subtract the smaller number from that?
iii. We're going to need a sh!t ton of fingers and toes.
Posted by: Muldoon at July 26, 2021 10:34 AM (Xwt96)
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In 6th grade at Pine Ridge elementary school in Fairfax, Va., in 1978-79, we would start every day with "math fundies", 2 minutes each to answer 1 addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division problem read aloud to us by the incomparable Mrs. Ziff. I think they may have been 8-digit numbers we were working with. We weren't drawing boxes.
Posted by: SFGoth at July 26, 2021 10:35 AM (KAi1n)
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What was that story about the couple ice skating or dancing or whatever with chains and masks?
Posted by: squid_hunt
Harrison Bergeron
What was that story about the couple ice skating or dancing or whatever with chains and masks?
Posted by: squid_hunt
Harrison Bergeron
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 26, 2021 10:35 AM (63Dwl)
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I think they just got bored teaching math the proven way so they keep re-inventing the wheel.
But the wheel doesn't need re-inventing.
I blame the Unvaccinated.
But the wheel doesn't need re-inventing.
I blame the Unvaccinated.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at July 26, 2021 10:35 AM (Ndje9)
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"I regularly hear from faculty about woefully unprepared students are for math in STEM fields. "
I believe there has been a concentrated campaign to make learning look stupid and boring. Reading, science, math, all those things that the nerd kids in school have been doing for centuries because they genuinely loved to learn are being denigrated and made to look lame. How do you compete with never-ending video games? I'm in shock at the level of literacy I see in family members' kids and Sunday School. Basic historical facts and scientific concepts are above the level of understanding of most kids I meet in high school or beyond anymore.
I believe there has been a concentrated campaign to make learning look stupid and boring. Reading, science, math, all those things that the nerd kids in school have been doing for centuries because they genuinely loved to learn are being denigrated and made to look lame. How do you compete with never-ending video games? I'm in shock at the level of literacy I see in family members' kids and Sunday School. Basic historical facts and scientific concepts are above the level of understanding of most kids I meet in high school or beyond anymore.
Posted by: squid_hunt at July 26, 2021 10:35 AM (B0mGw)
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Common Core Math is why we pulled our daughter and home schooled her. Cribbage is one of the ways we taught her arithmetic. She graduated and went to Grand Canyon University, got her bachelors in 3 years debt free and graduated cum laude. She set the test curve for a 300 econ class without using a calculator, very efficient. But parents don't know how teach their kids apparently. NEA is fucking racket.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at July 26, 2021 10:35 AM (k/TB6)
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Common Core is a mess because it assumes every kid is a college bound savant.
Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at July 26, 2021 10:34 AM (EpDzw)
This has been a problem generally in our education system. Everything has been re-geared to college prep. No practical classes.
Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at July 26, 2021 10:34 AM (EpDzw)
This has been a problem generally in our education system. Everything has been re-geared to college prep. No practical classes.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 26, 2021 10:35 AM (z5Vrg)
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"Just to teach kids to do arithmetic by rote is bad. Bad, bad, bad. It would be far better if we taught them to actually understand the underlying mathematical principles, i.e. why it works rather than just how to do it."
It's funny. I'm fully 29 so I learned arithmetic back in the old, un-woke days and I can recall early education using objects to explain addition/subtraction followed by explaining multiplication/division as being a rapid version of addition/subtraction.
Concept taught, we then went into memorizing tables since thinking through the base ideas over and over again is counter-productive.
BUT...if you are trying to pretend that you are teaching while actually preparing a generation of dependent individuals...
It's funny. I'm fully 29 so I learned arithmetic back in the old, un-woke days and I can recall early education using objects to explain addition/subtraction followed by explaining multiplication/division as being a rapid version of addition/subtraction.
Concept taught, we then went into memorizing tables since thinking through the base ideas over and over again is counter-productive.
BUT...if you are trying to pretend that you are teaching while actually preparing a generation of dependent individuals...
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 26, 2021 10:35 AM (uYkml)
Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at July 26, 2021 10:35 AM (rXie1)
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I love the idea of teaching to the lowest level in a classroom.
My kid is seriously going to be Emperor MJr by default at this point.
As soon as Barron I steps down, of course.
My kid is seriously going to be Emperor MJr by default at this point.
As soon as Barron I steps down, of course.
Posted by: MJ at July 26, 2021 10:35 AM (zwDuR)
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To understand "new" math and "common core" math, you need only intone the truest truism of all truisms: FOLLOW THE MONEY. All this nonsense was created to line the pockets of consultants, "experts," "teachers," and so on down the line. Somebody had to come up with this bullshit, write the books, publish the books, instruct the method, etc. These new techniques do absolutely nothing to advance teaching or help students (just the opposite). But they do make a lot of useless people a lot of money. That's the whole point.
Posted by: Elric Blade at July 26, 2021 10:35 AM (iFTx/)
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*pins on gold star*
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 26, 2021 10:36 AM (s3BR3)
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If the Constitution says that any American citizen can be appointed Speaker of the House, it will take a constitutional amendment to change that, will it not? Congress can't place a restriction that it must be an elected member of the house with a simple vote.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy not an FBI informant at July 26, 2021 10:36 AM (gpKIi)
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My wife has noticed this happening with young cashiers giving change. You receive .38 and it is three dimes and eight pennies.
Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at July 26, 2021 10:36 AM (EpDzw)
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Ok, an example from my own life.
I cannot really do math in my head very well. I don't know what it is, just can't really do it. I almost always have to grind it out on paper.
At one job, in order to quality check certain batches of products and correct them, we had to do giant percent weight calculations. Essentially, you have so much of this at this %, how much of this do you need to add to get the correct %. Loved this, but I always had to write it out.
One of the biggest problems we found when hiring new people is that not everyone could wrap their minds around thinking this way. Especially at first. We went back and forth on this one but could not come up with a solution. One night, while I was bored, I worked out an excel spreadsheet where you plugged in the variables and the target values, it gave you answer for that ingredient. It was immediately handed off by my boss to new people and higher ups who could not do the written math.
I still never used it. The sheet worked. It was faster and easier to use. Mentally, I did not 'trust' it.
I cannot really do math in my head very well. I don't know what it is, just can't really do it. I almost always have to grind it out on paper.
At one job, in order to quality check certain batches of products and correct them, we had to do giant percent weight calculations. Essentially, you have so much of this at this %, how much of this do you need to add to get the correct %. Loved this, but I always had to write it out.
One of the biggest problems we found when hiring new people is that not everyone could wrap their minds around thinking this way. Especially at first. We went back and forth on this one but could not come up with a solution. One night, while I was bored, I worked out an excel spreadsheet where you plugged in the variables and the target values, it gave you answer for that ingredient. It was immediately handed off by my boss to new people and higher ups who could not do the written math.
I still never used it. The sheet worked. It was faster and easier to use. Mentally, I did not 'trust' it.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2021 10:36 AM (csEWM)
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The purpose of Common Core math is to make white students as bad at math as blacks.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at July 26, 2021 10:36 AM (JVCkA)
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I had to look again.
Holy crap, it's sad when parody is indistinguishable from reality.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 26, 2021 10:33 AM (2SdPm)
Caught me, too. I didn't notice it after I had looked at it a number of times.
Holy crap, it's sad when parody is indistinguishable from reality.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 26, 2021 10:33 AM (2SdPm)
Caught me, too. I didn't notice it after I had looked at it a number of times.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 26, 2021 10:36 AM (NN39P)
Posted by: garrett at July 26, 2021 10:36 AM (VOopy)
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The count up method is useful. It's how you make change when the register doesn't tell it to you.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 26, 2021 10:36 AM (Y5qcH)
112
The commonality of common core is that the cores are all rotten.
So much for an apple for the teacher.
So much for an apple for the teacher.
Posted by: stu-mich-o-sucks at July 26, 2021 10:36 AM (lSZIs)
113
Still giggling at the common core car.
I had a friend who had some very interesting and different ways to solve math problems - quickly. Probably why he went into engineering. I struggled with algebra, and probably fought it because I didn't see what the exercises were good for (boy, was I wrong). But loved geometry, probably because it's visual.
I seriously have no idea what that woman is doing in that video. My eyes started glazing over. I totally understand the normal way of multiplication and division, it makes sense. But seriously, 5 ones? Why isn't it 35 ones? If 5 is half of 10, why isn't it described as such? OMFG I'm starting to do math. Here.
I denounce myself.
I had a friend who had some very interesting and different ways to solve math problems - quickly. Probably why he went into engineering. I struggled with algebra, and probably fought it because I didn't see what the exercises were good for (boy, was I wrong). But loved geometry, probably because it's visual.
I seriously have no idea what that woman is doing in that video. My eyes started glazing over. I totally understand the normal way of multiplication and division, it makes sense. But seriously, 5 ones? Why isn't it 35 ones? If 5 is half of 10, why isn't it described as such? OMFG I'm starting to do math. Here.
I denounce myself.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at July 26, 2021 10:37 AM (wAnMi)
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Oregon Muse:
I'm guessing you just won a bet with Ace that you could get us all doing math in a thread.
I'm guessing you just won a bet with Ace that you could get us all doing math in a thread.
Posted by: Alabama at July 26, 2021 10:37 AM (4fSQf)
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>Boris Johnson is pushing a social credit system for England.
I had low expectations for him, but holy shit did he turn out be more of a totalitarian twat than even I expected. They're turning into Airstrip One right before our eyes. Not that we have much room to talk.
I had low expectations for him, but holy shit did he turn out be more of a totalitarian twat than even I expected. They're turning into Airstrip One right before our eyes. Not that we have much room to talk.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 26, 2021 10:37 AM (DXFDM)
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Change math to the point that parents don't know how to help their kids.
The kids are forced to only get help from the teachers.
The district now has the groundwork laid to claim that THEY have the authority to teach the kids without parental consent or oversight.
The district now claims the grounds that THEY must be the ones to teach the children morality, because the parents have given up the role of teachers of their own children / parents are disengaged from the educational process.
The door is now wide open for CRT. The door is now open for 80 genders. The door is now open for the complete destruction of American culture.
The kids are forced to only get help from the teachers.
The district now has the groundwork laid to claim that THEY have the authority to teach the kids without parental consent or oversight.
The district now claims the grounds that THEY must be the ones to teach the children morality, because the parents have given up the role of teachers of their own children / parents are disengaged from the educational process.
The door is now wide open for CRT. The door is now open for 80 genders. The door is now open for the complete destruction of American culture.
Posted by: reason at July 26, 2021 10:37 AM (kZVsz)
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Coronavirus Surge Threatens Political Future of Joe Biden's Presidency
So, this means that there is a great opportunity for Kamala Harris to step up
you can stop laughing now
So, this means that there is a great opportunity for Kamala Harris to step up
you can stop laughing now
Posted by: SMOD at July 26, 2021 10:37 AM (RHGPo)
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>>Coronavirus Surge Threatens Political Future of Joe Biden's Presidency
I really want the Delta to take him out.
I really want the Delta to take him out.
Posted by: garrett at July 26, 2021 10:38 AM (VOopy)
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In my mind I do math the common core way. I always have and never realized it was common core until recently. Go figure.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 26, 2021 10:38 AM (CNFy2)
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Our local school district does not teach maths this way.
Posted by: Muad'dib at July 26, 2021 10:38 AM (sjdRT)
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I had low expectations for him, but holy shit did he turn out be more of a totalitarian twat than even I expected. They're turning into Airstrip One right before our eyes. Not that we have much room to talk.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 26, 2021 10:37 AM (DXFDM)
The sad thing is, his opponents are worse. He is a Trojan Totalitarian.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 26, 2021 10:37 AM (DXFDM)
The sad thing is, his opponents are worse. He is a Trojan Totalitarian.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 26, 2021 10:39 AM (csEWM)
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What's all that white stuff on top of the pie? All my meringue is a scant 1cm in height.
Posted by: Downcast at July 26, 2021 10:39 AM (+3zO5)
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The apple doesn't rot far from the tree.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 26, 2021 10:39 AM (vuisn)
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I seriously have no idea what that woman is doing in that video. My eyes started glazing over. I totally understand the normal way of multiplication and division, it makes sense. But seriously, 5 ones? Why isn't it 35 ones? If 5 is half of 10, why isn't it described as such? OMFG I'm starting to do math. Here.
I denounce myself.
Posted by: clutch cargo
I was already wondering how her butt looked before she got the box drawn
I denounce myself.
Posted by: clutch cargo
I was already wondering how her butt looked before she got the box drawn
Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2021 10:39 AM (Xih1H)
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106 My wife has noticed this happening with young cashiers giving change. You receive .38 and it is three dimes and eight pennies.
Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at July 26, 2021 10:36 AM (EpDzw)
Cashiers are instructed to keep quarters in the register. It's that simple.
Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at July 26, 2021 10:36 AM (EpDzw)
Cashiers are instructed to keep quarters in the register. It's that simple.
Posted by: pyuer at July 26, 2021 10:39 AM (wwOpQ)
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117 Coronavirus Surge Threatens Political Future of Joe Biden's Presidency
So, this means that there is a great opportunity for Kamala Harris to step up
you can stop laughing now
Posted by: SMOD at July 26, 2021 10:37 AM (RHGPo)
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You know, if you take a step back from it all, the Joe Biden presidency is the greatest single comedic event in human history.
So, this means that there is a great opportunity for Kamala Harris to step up
you can stop laughing now
Posted by: SMOD at July 26, 2021 10:37 AM (RHGPo)
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You know, if you take a step back from it all, the Joe Biden presidency is the greatest single comedic event in human history.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 26, 2021 10:39 AM (LvTSG)
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105 If the Constitution says that any American citizen can be appointed Speaker of the House, it will take a constitutional amendment to change that, will it not? Congress can't place a restriction that it must be an elected member of the house with a simple vote.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy not an FBI informant at July 26, 2021 10:36 AM (gpKIi)
You are correct, but then again, I didn't think that state governors could change election laws on the fly during the 2020 election (the constitution specifically delegates that power to state legislatures), so I guess the old rules don't apply any more.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy not an FBI informant at July 26, 2021 10:36 AM (gpKIi)
You are correct, but then again, I didn't think that state governors could change election laws on the fly during the 2020 election (the constitution specifically delegates that power to state legislatures), so I guess the old rules don't apply any more.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 26, 2021 10:40 AM (NN39P)
Posted by: garrett at July 26, 2021 10:40 AM (VOopy)
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Old medical school: The knee bone connected to the thigh bone, The thigh bone connected to the back bone, The back bone connected to the neck bone, The neck bone connected to the head bone, Oh, hear the word of the Lord!
New medical school: There is no medical, scientific test to distinguish boys from girls.
New medical school: There is no medical, scientific test to distinguish boys from girls.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at July 26, 2021 10:40 AM (d9FiS)
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I see now that there are jet fuel shortages.
Please keep reminding those around you that this is not "normal." People are just accepting that
- gas costs a lot more,
- food costs a lot more,
- that supply-chain issues just 'are what they are,'
- violent crime is through the roof,
- you can't say some things because you'll get in trouble
- [insert your own observations here]
These are not "normal." None of this is normal. We need to be the ones out there saying the emperor has no clothes. These things are not ok and we know the path to getting back to normal. Please keep reminding those around you how fucked things are and not to just accept it!
Please keep reminding those around you that this is not "normal." People are just accepting that
- gas costs a lot more,
- food costs a lot more,
- that supply-chain issues just 'are what they are,'
- violent crime is through the roof,
- you can't say some things because you'll get in trouble
- [insert your own observations here]
These are not "normal." None of this is normal. We need to be the ones out there saying the emperor has no clothes. These things are not ok and we know the path to getting back to normal. Please keep reminding those around you how fucked things are and not to just accept it!
Posted by: 496 at July 26, 2021 10:40 AM (VJsqe)
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Joe Biden seems to be suffering from the "Biden I Nu" virus
Posted by: SMOD at July 26, 2021 10:40 AM (RHGPo)
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I hate math. But I'd solve that problem by taking 10 x 35 =350 + 2 x 35 = 70. 350 + 70 = 420.
Also I don't find the old chick featured today to be terribly attractive. It's the face. She has old woman face, even when she wasn't old.
My $.02
Also I don't find the old chick featured today to be terribly attractive. It's the face. She has old woman face, even when she wasn't old.
My $.02
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at July 26, 2021 10:40 AM (XvPQV)
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45 That is barely Math.
You just look at it and you know the answer is 420.
Posted by: garrett at July 26, 2021 10:27 AM
You'd have to be fucking high to think this is the most efficient way to solve multiplication problems, but not in a 420-friendly way. No way they'd have to focus and patience for this nonsense.
You just look at it and you know the answer is 420.
Posted by: garrett at July 26, 2021 10:27 AM
You'd have to be fucking high to think this is the most efficient way to solve multiplication problems, but not in a 420-friendly way. No way they'd have to focus and patience for this nonsense.
Posted by: Grimmy at July 26, 2021 10:40 AM (3MG/9)
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I taught my kids addition and subtraction math facts, how to count by 5s, 10s, 3s, time, money and some multiplication while they were in car seats before kindergarten. 2 youngest ate it up. Oldest still hates me for trying.
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at July 26, 2021 10:40 AM (ySQBZ)
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Now explain Front End Estimation
Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2021 10:40 AM (Xih1H)
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I believe there has been a concentrated campaign to make learning look stupid and boring. Reading, science, math, all those things that the nerd kids in school have been doing for centuries because they genuinely loved to learn are being denigrated and made to look lame. How do you compete with never-ending video games? I'm in shock at the level of literacy I see in family members' kids and Sunday School. Basic historical facts and scientific concepts are above the level of understanding of most kids I meet in high school or beyond anymore.
Posted by: squid_hunt at July 26, 2021 10:35 AM (B0mGw)
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I think that is one of the most criminal aspects of teaching/learning right now. All of the tried and tested methods of learning in the past, developed over centuries, are being thrown out, simply because they were mostly created by--you guessed it--white men. Of course, mathematics has a LONG history of development through various cultures over time (e.g. India, China, Middle East in addition to European contributions). Teaching reading is even worse because they throw out a time-tested method (phonics) in favor of whole word, which will never work.
Posted by: squid_hunt at July 26, 2021 10:35 AM (B0mGw)
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I think that is one of the most criminal aspects of teaching/learning right now. All of the tried and tested methods of learning in the past, developed over centuries, are being thrown out, simply because they were mostly created by--you guessed it--white men. Of course, mathematics has a LONG history of development through various cultures over time (e.g. India, China, Middle East in addition to European contributions). Teaching reading is even worse because they throw out a time-tested method (phonics) in favor of whole word, which will never work.
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at July 26, 2021 10:40 AM (K5n5d)
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Posted by: squid_hunt at July 26, 2021 10:35 AM (B0mGw)
And do you know how you ensure a Genius level child does NOT succeed? Bore the crap out of them.
I drove my Mom CRAZY for years... got crappy grades mixed in with Great grades... until she finally got it through her head it was all about whether I either liked the class, or was CHALLENGED by the class.
So, A in Calculus, followed by a D in Spanish.
One reason I joined the Navy, was my crappy High School grades kept me out of good colleges, even with a near perfect SAT.
And do you know how you ensure a Genius level child does NOT succeed? Bore the crap out of them.
I drove my Mom CRAZY for years... got crappy grades mixed in with Great grades... until she finally got it through her head it was all about whether I either liked the class, or was CHALLENGED by the class.
So, A in Calculus, followed by a D in Spanish.
One reason I joined the Navy, was my crappy High School grades kept me out of good colleges, even with a near perfect SAT.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 26, 2021 10:40 AM (oHd/0)
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My wife has noticed this happening with young cashiers giving change. You receive .38 and it is three dimes and eight pennies.
Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at July 26, 2021 10:36 AM (EpDzw)
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At least she got right change. What follows is a true story. it really happened.
I went to a Wendy's drive-through a few weeks ago to get some iced tea. The total was $1.38. I gave the girl in the window $5.03. The idea was to get three dollars, two quarters, one dime and one nickel back, dispose of pennies and not accumulate more pennies.
The girl tried to make change three times, got super-confused, and ended up giving me back $0.50 too much. I tried to explain it and she told me that she was sure it was right and to just drive along because I was holding up the line.
Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at July 26, 2021 10:36 AM (EpDzw)
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At least she got right change. What follows is a true story. it really happened.
I went to a Wendy's drive-through a few weeks ago to get some iced tea. The total was $1.38. I gave the girl in the window $5.03. The idea was to get three dollars, two quarters, one dime and one nickel back, dispose of pennies and not accumulate more pennies.
The girl tried to make change three times, got super-confused, and ended up giving me back $0.50 too much. I tried to explain it and she told me that she was sure it was right and to just drive along because I was holding up the line.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:40 AM (3p5uk)
Posted by: spindrift at July 26, 2021 10:40 AM (h5TKJ)
Posted by: micky at July 26, 2021 10:40 AM (3byMq)
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This site is so useful. I'm a mountain man and i can really appreciate the recipes [ lemon pie yum yum ] and legal methods of executions.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 26, 2021 10:41 AM (ptq0O)
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Meringue is useless decoration. I don't see the point.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 26, 2021 10:41 AM (Y5qcH)
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I seriously have no idea what that woman is doing in that video. My eyes started glazing over.
Now imagine being an elementary school kid witnessing this gibberish. I'm sure it's filling them with a love of math.
Now imagine being an elementary school kid witnessing this gibberish. I'm sure it's filling them with a love of math.
Posted by: pep at July 26, 2021 10:41 AM (ZsR3z)
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Good grief, that math is ridiculous!! It simply burns me up. I can't come to a truly logical reason they are making math so difficult, so different for children. Absolute madness is the only thing I can come up with, and we are living in the Era of Absolute Madness.
Posted by: Lady in Black at July 26, 2021 10:41 AM (O+I8R)
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My wife has noticed this happening with young cashiers giving change. You receive .38 and it is three dimes and eight pennies.
Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at July 26, 2021 10:36 AM (EpDzw)
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But how do those pennies make the cashier FEEEEEELLLLL?
Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at July 26, 2021 10:36 AM (EpDzw)
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But how do those pennies make the cashier FEEEEEELLLLL?
Posted by: reason at July 26, 2021 10:42 AM (kZVsz)
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You know, if you take a step back from it all, the Joe Biden presidency is the greatest single comedic event in human history.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish
In a few centuries we'll look back and laugh!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish
In a few centuries we'll look back and laugh!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at July 26, 2021 10:42 AM (d9FiS)
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114 Oregon Muse:
I'm guessing you just won a bet with Ace that you could get us all doing math in a thread.
Posted by: Alabama at July 26, 2021 10:37 AM (4fSQf)
This is indeed one of those things I wish I had planned.
I'm guessing you just won a bet with Ace that you could get us all doing math in a thread.
Posted by: Alabama at July 26, 2021 10:37 AM (4fSQf)
This is indeed one of those things I wish I had planned.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 26, 2021 10:42 AM (NN39P)
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I taught pre algebra to 7th graders in my first career. It was a part-time job with another teacher. She would do this box crap with the kids on a Monday. When I had them on Wednesday they had no idea what the hell they had learned nor why.
My method was "drill and kill" ya it is boring but by goodness my students new how to solve equations. Had the formulas memorized to use when necessary. Simple. No extra fluff. I had a passion for math and wanted to pass that on to my students.
Would it surprise you to know my partner was on the board of the teachers union?? Even 20 years ago the woke were with us.
My method was "drill and kill" ya it is boring but by goodness my students new how to solve equations. Had the formulas memorized to use when necessary. Simple. No extra fluff. I had a passion for math and wanted to pass that on to my students.
Would it surprise you to know my partner was on the board of the teachers union?? Even 20 years ago the woke were with us.
Posted by: Sunny at July 26, 2021 10:42 AM (mxZhO)
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I was never particularly good at math, but this new method of teaching math is a complete disaster. I can see no redeeming value whatsoever to teaching math this way -- all this will do is make kids have to use calculators their entire lives, because they will never learn the simply algorithm necessary to quickly find the answer.
Some might think that largely OK, as calculators are pretty ubiquitous these days. But if one is not handy, you're going to see adults drawing those stupid boxes to figure out a basic multiplication problem.
This was almost certainly done to sell new textbooks. Need new math to sell new textbooks.
Some might think that largely OK, as calculators are pretty ubiquitous these days. But if one is not handy, you're going to see adults drawing those stupid boxes to figure out a basic multiplication problem.
This was almost certainly done to sell new textbooks. Need new math to sell new textbooks.
Posted by: Revenant at July 26, 2021 10:42 AM (Z7rbj)
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Coronavirus Surge Threatens Political Future of Joe Biden's Presidency
I really want the Delta to take him out.
Posted by: garrett
I would clap if Delta took out DC.
I really want the Delta to take him out.
Posted by: garrett
I would clap if Delta took out DC.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 26, 2021 10:42 AM (OCTRt)
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Posted by: Lord Squirrel at July 26, 2021 10:40 AM (K5n5d)
The test run was the Military post Reagan. They threw out 5000 years of written military history into what actually WORKED to create a Fighting Man... to make it kinder and gentler based on a bunch of theories from people who have never been to war.
The test run was the Military post Reagan. They threw out 5000 years of written military history into what actually WORKED to create a Fighting Man... to make it kinder and gentler based on a bunch of theories from people who have never been to war.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 26, 2021 10:42 AM (oHd/0)
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The video is LIKE something they do in Algebra to get lowest common multiple which is what I though she was doing at first.
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at July 26, 2021 10:42 AM (ySQBZ)
153
>>Meringue is useless decoration. I don't see the point.
It's delicious when made properly...
and a necessary step in making some cakes.
It's delicious when made properly...
and a necessary step in making some cakes.
Posted by: garrett at July 26, 2021 10:42 AM (3khas)
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In a few centuries we'll look back and laugh!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at July 26, 2021 10:42 AM (d9FiS)
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You make the bold assumption that laughter will even be allowed.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at July 26, 2021 10:42 AM (d9FiS)
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You make the bold assumption that laughter will even be allowed.
Posted by: reason at July 26, 2021 10:42 AM (kZVsz)
155
Common Core Monkey Death Math Car isn't believable.
All four tires are facing the same direction.
Common Core Monkey Death Math Car isn't believable.
All four tires are facing the same direction.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 26, 2021 10:43 AM (n+4am)
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The count up method is useful. It's how you make change when the register doesn't tell it to you.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 26, 2021 10:36 AM (Y5qcH)
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I didn't make the connection that counting back change and this additive subtraction thing were equivalent. If they taught you how to make change instead of those crazy steps, it would probably work better. Plus, if you're working a register, you can still do commerce during a power failure.
I have never had a person under forty count back my change to me properly.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 26, 2021 10:36 AM (Y5qcH)
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I didn't make the connection that counting back change and this additive subtraction thing were equivalent. If they taught you how to make change instead of those crazy steps, it would probably work better. Plus, if you're working a register, you can still do commerce during a power failure.
I have never had a person under forty count back my change to me properly.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:43 AM (3p5uk)
157
Timely knee picture, OM! I just watched I, Tonya over the weekend. Very good movie. Actually a mockumentary style, but it was excellent.
Posted by: Lady in Black at July 26, 2021 10:43 AM (O+I8R)
158
The problem with Common Core math like this is that it's based off of the shortcuts that those with good mathematical intuition use. Methods like the one shown in the video work for those who really have a grasp of underlying mechanics of the arithmetic, but it's terrible for someone new to the concept, because it's short-circuiting the basic way of learning about things. You're just teaching kids some arcane incantation that makes no sense to them, and is easily discarded once they're not forced to do it.
It's essentially cargo cult mathematics.
It's essentially cargo cult mathematics.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 26, 2021 10:43 AM (DXFDM)
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106 My wife has noticed this happening with young cashiers giving
change. You receive .38 and it is three dimes and eight pennies.
Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at July 26, 2021 10:36 AM (EpDzw)
My wife was an activities director at RV park in Texas. All the high schoolers that worked for her could not count back change or read an analog clock. So she took the time and taught them the basics. At the time our daughter was 13 and she was teaching them also. by the end of the summer, everyone could count correct change, read and analog clock, write cursive and drive a standard transmission. It's not rocket science parents.
change. You receive .38 and it is three dimes and eight pennies.
Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at July 26, 2021 10:36 AM (EpDzw)
My wife was an activities director at RV park in Texas. All the high schoolers that worked for her could not count back change or read an analog clock. So she took the time and taught them the basics. At the time our daughter was 13 and she was teaching them also. by the end of the summer, everyone could count correct change, read and analog clock, write cursive and drive a standard transmission. It's not rocket science parents.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at July 26, 2021 10:43 AM (k/TB6)
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You know, if you take a step back from it all, the Joe Biden presidency is the greatest single comedic event in human history.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 26, 2021 10:39 AM (LvTSG)
...
Springtime for Biden will be about two guys who try to leverage a SBA loan into a business that fails quickly and slip away with the proceeds via bankruptcy court chicanery, but the government shuts them down due the Omega variant and compensates them with a multiple of the original loan...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 26, 2021 10:39 AM (LvTSG)
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Springtime for Biden will be about two guys who try to leverage a SBA loan into a business that fails quickly and slip away with the proceeds via bankruptcy court chicanery, but the government shuts them down due the Omega variant and compensates them with a multiple of the original loan...
Posted by: TexasDan at July 26, 2021 10:44 AM (yL25O)
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Why surprised....all of this ineffectiveness is in their game plan.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 26, 2021 10:44 AM (ptq0O)
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153 >>Meringue is useless decoration. I don't see the point.
It's delicious when made properly...
and a necessary step in making some cakes.
Posted by: garrett at July 26, 2021 10:42 AM (3khas)
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There is a (somewhat) local bakery in north Texas called the Czech Stop.
They have meringue cookies.
It is worth the drive to get them.
All of them. Every last one.
It's delicious when made properly...
and a necessary step in making some cakes.
Posted by: garrett at July 26, 2021 10:42 AM (3khas)
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There is a (somewhat) local bakery in north Texas called the Czech Stop.
They have meringue cookies.
It is worth the drive to get them.
All of them. Every last one.
Posted by: reason at July 26, 2021 10:44 AM (kZVsz)
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That's just a dumb way to teach math. I actually had "new math" back in the day. Base 2 and other nonsense. it was garbage. We know how to teach math to kids and it involves memorization. A lot of what very young kids learn needs just that. Worry about teaching concepts way on down the line.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at July 26, 2021 10:44 AM (5HBd1)
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Math nerd here. Currently thinking about the head-scratcher / trick question about the missing dollar. I love those types of things!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_dollar_riddle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_dollar_riddle
Posted by: Doof at July 26, 2021 10:44 AM (mZUr4)
165
There's way too much math on this blog! On the plus side, this busty redhead's glasses make me quite sure that she's okay with math:
https://is.gd/Fov3eL
https://is.gd/Fov3eL
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:44 AM (3p5uk)
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Some might think that largely OK, as calculators are pretty ubiquitous these days. But if one is not handy, you're going to see adults drawing those stupid boxes to figure out a basic multiplication problem.
This was almost certainly done to sell new textbooks. Need new math to sell new textbooks.
Posted by: Revenant at July 26, 2021 10:42 AM (Z7rbj)
Actually, its a horrid idea to rely on a calculator, because people make fat finger mistakes all the time (hit the wrong button). If you can't look at an answer and 'feel' like 'hey, that don't look right'... you, and whatever project you are working on... is in trouble.
Like when they crashed the Mars probe because one group was working in meters, and one in MPH... someone should have been able to say.... 'Hey... wait a sec... this don't look right...'.
This was almost certainly done to sell new textbooks. Need new math to sell new textbooks.
Posted by: Revenant at July 26, 2021 10:42 AM (Z7rbj)
Actually, its a horrid idea to rely on a calculator, because people make fat finger mistakes all the time (hit the wrong button). If you can't look at an answer and 'feel' like 'hey, that don't look right'... you, and whatever project you are working on... is in trouble.
Like when they crashed the Mars probe because one group was working in meters, and one in MPH... someone should have been able to say.... 'Hey... wait a sec... this don't look right...'.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 26, 2021 10:45 AM (oHd/0)
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Then again, if the House just votes on a rules change to restrict the Speaker to only elected members, who has standing to sue? Nobody. Nobody can prove harm by the rule change. Even if Trump were nominated speaker and rejected because of the new rule, I would suspect any judge to rule that he had no standing to sue.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy not an FBI informant at July 26, 2021 10:45 AM (gpKIi)
168
This Who Dis? Ralston chick isn't even the least bit hot.
No wonder they named a DOG food company after her
No wonder they named a DOG food company after her
Posted by: JoeF. at July 26, 2021 10:45 AM (mR6Gs)
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I still blame parents for putting up with this.
As for fast food, I blame the managers.
"Let's put the employee who's the worst at math behind the biggest calculating machine in the building!"
As for fast food, I blame the managers.
"Let's put the employee who's the worst at math behind the biggest calculating machine in the building!"
Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 26, 2021 10:45 AM (vuisn)
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The SAT and ACT are TIMED tests. Speed is part of the test itself.
So how is speed 'not essential'? *shakes head*
So how is speed 'not essential'? *shakes head*
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 26, 2021 10:45 AM (F0YaR)
Posted by: Muldoon at July 26, 2021 10:45 AM (Xwt96)
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There is a (somewhat) local bakery in north Texas called the Czech Stop.
They have meringue cookies.
It is worth the drive to get them.
All of them. Every last one.
Posted by: reason at July 26, 2021 10:44 AM (kZVsz)
KOLACHES!!!
They have meringue cookies.
It is worth the drive to get them.
All of them. Every last one.
Posted by: reason at July 26, 2021 10:44 AM (kZVsz)
KOLACHES!!!
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at July 26, 2021 10:45 AM (k/TB6)
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My wife was an activities director at RV park in Texas. All the high schoolers that worked for her could not count back change or read an analog clock. So she took the time and taught them the basics. At the time our daughter was 13 and she was teaching them also. by the end of the summer, everyone could count correct change, read and analog clock, write cursive and drive a standard transmission. It's not rocket science parents.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at July 26, 2021 10:43 AM (k/TB6)
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*clicks open a ballpoint pen*
Where was this, again? And what was her name?
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at July 26, 2021 10:43 AM (k/TB6)
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*clicks open a ballpoint pen*
Where was this, again? And what was her name?
Posted by: The FBI at July 26, 2021 10:46 AM (kZVsz)
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I thought common core was a blessing of GWB and a sop thrown to his buddies at Princeton Review.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy not an FBI informant at July 26, 2021 10:46 AM (gpKIi)
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158 The problem with Common Core math like this is that it's based off of the shortcuts that those with good mathematical intuition use. Methods like the one shown in the video work for those who really have a grasp of underlying mechanics of the arithmetic, but it's terrible for someone new to the concept, because it's short-circuiting the basic way of learning about things. You're just teaching kids some arcane incantation that makes no sense to them, and is easily discarded once they're not forced to do it.
It's essentially cargo cult mathematics.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 26, 2021 10:43 AM (DXFDM)
Furthermore the proper way to break up a problem depends on the individual and what's easy for them to calculate from(which depends on memorization/familiarity with easier problems). These sorts of steps aren't the same from person to person to begin with.
It's essentially cargo cult mathematics.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 26, 2021 10:43 AM (DXFDM)
Furthermore the proper way to break up a problem depends on the individual and what's easy for them to calculate from(which depends on memorization/familiarity with easier problems). These sorts of steps aren't the same from person to person to begin with.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 26, 2021 10:46 AM (z5Vrg)
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She set the test curve for a 300 econ class without using a calculator, very efficient. But parents don't know how teach their kids apparently. NEA is fucking racket.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at July 26, 2021 10:35 AM (k/TB6)
Back when I was in school, calculators were verboten unless it was an engineering class and those poor kids were spending $150 in 1975 ($758 today) for a Texas Instruments scientific calculator. I had one architecture instructor that insisted we learned slide-rules, all of which I've forgotten. I remember when I learned that HS tests were allowing calculators back in the 90's (CA). I couldn't believe it. Now, I'm not even sure kids know how to use them.
Good on you and taking your daughter the hell out of those schools, she's got an advantage that towers over her peers. I'd have to hire somebody to teach something like calculus, but I'd be happy to get a tutor.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at July 26, 2021 10:35 AM (k/TB6)
Back when I was in school, calculators were verboten unless it was an engineering class and those poor kids were spending $150 in 1975 ($758 today) for a Texas Instruments scientific calculator. I had one architecture instructor that insisted we learned slide-rules, all of which I've forgotten. I remember when I learned that HS tests were allowing calculators back in the 90's (CA). I couldn't believe it. Now, I'm not even sure kids know how to use them.
Good on you and taking your daughter the hell out of those schools, she's got an advantage that towers over her peers. I'd have to hire somebody to teach something like calculus, but I'd be happy to get a tutor.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at July 26, 2021 10:46 AM (wAnMi)
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Poe - Lemon Meringue
https://youtu.be/NQSnBI7tl-I
https://youtu.be/NQSnBI7tl-I
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:46 AM (3p5uk)
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Didn't watch the video, but my brain went to 70 x 6, which equals 420.
Posted by: pookysgirl, chugging Gatoraaaaade at July 26, 2021 10:46 AM (lVCkP)
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165 There's way too much math on this blog! On the plus side, this busty redhead's glasses make me quite sure that she's okay with math:
https://is.gd/Fov3eL
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:44 AM
Fake SMoT girl!
Fake Smart Hot
https://is.gd/Fov3eL
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:44 AM
Fake SMoT girl!
Fake Smart Hot
Posted by: Alabama at July 26, 2021 10:46 AM (4fSQf)
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135 Now explain Front End Estimation
well, you bring up the geico app and take a picture of the damage. then it gets sent off to a third-world country for processing.
well, you bring up the geico app and take a picture of the damage. then it gets sent off to a third-world country for processing.
Posted by: Comrade Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at July 26, 2021 10:46 AM (v3pYe)
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The ability to learn is one of the most important abilities to me. I can't teach my children everything and I will admit that they are shorted a bit being homeschooled because they aren't exposed to as much of culture or new ideas. But I can teach them to pick up a book or question something or get on duckduckgo and find an answer. It starts with asking "Why?"
"One reason I joined the Navy, was my crappy High School grades kept me out of good colleges, even with a near perfect SAT."
Navy Nuclear Power is made almost exclusively of guys like that. Bombed out of school because they were bored and slept through all their classes, but the Navy gave them a challenge and purpose.
"One reason I joined the Navy, was my crappy High School grades kept me out of good colleges, even with a near perfect SAT."
Navy Nuclear Power is made almost exclusively of guys like that. Bombed out of school because they were bored and slept through all their classes, but the Navy gave them a challenge and purpose.
Posted by: squid_hunt at July 26, 2021 10:46 AM (B0mGw)
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So, I watched Assault on Precinct 13 this weekend, and I had a weird thought.
The early to mid 70s were filled with liberals making movies about the mass hordes of people coming to destroy them, and it was all, at its core, about the riots that tore at America in the late 60s, I think. They weren't establishment, though. Romero and Carpenter in particular were on the edge of filmmaking circles.
What American media is treating the rioting of last year in the same way?
The early to mid 70s were filled with liberals making movies about the mass hordes of people coming to destroy them, and it was all, at its core, about the riots that tore at America in the late 60s, I think. They weren't establishment, though. Romero and Carpenter in particular were on the edge of filmmaking circles.
What American media is treating the rioting of last year in the same way?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 26, 2021 10:46 AM (LvTSG)
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165 There's way too much math on this blog! On the plus side, this busty redhead's glasses make me quite sure that she's okay with math:
https://is.gd/Fov3eL
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:44 AM (3p5uk)
And now its time to figure out her measurements, based on the formula for her Parabolas...
https://is.gd/Fov3eL
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:44 AM (3p5uk)
And now its time to figure out her measurements, based on the formula for her Parabolas...
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 26, 2021 10:46 AM (oHd/0)
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That Stacy Abrams votive candle is creepy.
Just why are the progs so obsessed with making something out of her?
Just why are the progs so obsessed with making something out of her?
Posted by: JoeF. at July 26, 2021 10:47 AM (mR6Gs)
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She set the test curve for a 300 econ class without using a calculator, very efficient.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death
I did the same in my 400-student macro econ at USC my junior year. I had gotten a C+ on the first of 2 midterms (an A on the second), and after learning the material to an intuitive level for the final, I managed to get every answer + all the bonus questions correct. The prof had said that the highest score would be the 100 from which everyone else would be scaled off, assuming no one would get 100. They posted all the grades on a wall in the department at the end of the year (by student #). My father came to visit and I showed him my A+. Dad was proud. So was I.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death
I did the same in my 400-student macro econ at USC my junior year. I had gotten a C+ on the first of 2 midterms (an A on the second), and after learning the material to an intuitive level for the final, I managed to get every answer + all the bonus questions correct. The prof had said that the highest score would be the 100 from which everyone else would be scaled off, assuming no one would get 100. They posted all the grades on a wall in the department at the end of the year (by student #). My father came to visit and I showed him my A+. Dad was proud. So was I.
Posted by: SFGoth at July 26, 2021 10:47 AM (KAi1n)
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There is a (somewhat) local bakery in north Texas called the Czech Stop.
They have meringue cookies.
It is worth the drive to get them.
All of them. Every last one.
Posted by: reason
Iirc, Exit 353 in West, Texas. (Not west Texas)
They have meringue cookies.
It is worth the drive to get them.
All of them. Every last one.
Posted by: reason
Iirc, Exit 353 in West, Texas. (Not west Texas)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 26, 2021 10:47 AM (OCTRt)
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Times tests are racist.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy not an FBI informant at July 26, 2021 10:47 AM (gpKIi)
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Meringue is useless decoration. I don't see the point.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 26, 2021 10:41 AM (Y5qcH)
we have something in common. There is never a place meringue holds that whipped cream could not improve.
I will admit there is this one place called. The Southern Kitchen in New Market, VA that has really good meringue pies. It is a decent place, a place all bikers go to for sure. It is a bit too well known if you know what I mean. But their pies are good, even the meringue. And that is all they have so you better get used to it.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 26, 2021 10:41 AM (Y5qcH)
we have something in common. There is never a place meringue holds that whipped cream could not improve.
I will admit there is this one place called. The Southern Kitchen in New Market, VA that has really good meringue pies. It is a decent place, a place all bikers go to for sure. It is a bit too well known if you know what I mean. But their pies are good, even the meringue. And that is all they have so you better get used to it.
Posted by: Quint at July 26, 2021 10:47 AM (F2/Ok)
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When I was teaching multiplication to my kids, I did explain it was adding the same number x times. That being said, I told the the fastest way to do it was to learn the multiplication tables so doing it was much, much faster and would be a big help when they had to multiply bigger numbers. Wife and I made them learn it.
When we did numbers with more digits (above the multiplication tables), I *ONCE* showed them WHY it worked, but told them to just remember how to do it, as that would be faster and easier in the long run.
The method this teacher is doing is more suitable for algebra/pre-algebra when explaining why multiplying (x+3)(x+5) = x^2+8x+15
My older one took math in HS just shy of Calculus (included Trig and pre-calc stuff). I hope my younger one DOES take Calculus someday...
When we did numbers with more digits (above the multiplication tables), I *ONCE* showed them WHY it worked, but told them to just remember how to do it, as that would be faster and easier in the long run.
The method this teacher is doing is more suitable for algebra/pre-algebra when explaining why multiplying (x+3)(x+5) = x^2+8x+15
My older one took math in HS just shy of Calculus (included Trig and pre-calc stuff). I hope my younger one DOES take Calculus someday...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 26, 2021 10:47 AM (ynpvh)
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It's essentially cargo cult mathematics.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 26, 2021 10:43 AM (DXFDM)
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That's a good way to describe it. Although their methods "work" they don't seem to truly appreciate the underlying mathematical principles that make them work. Mathematicians can drown you in complex language just trying to explain why 2+2=4. It's much, much more complicated than you might expect. I don't need to know the details--the algorithm is plenty good enough for my needs.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 26, 2021 10:43 AM (DXFDM)
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That's a good way to describe it. Although their methods "work" they don't seem to truly appreciate the underlying mathematical principles that make them work. Mathematicians can drown you in complex language just trying to explain why 2+2=4. It's much, much more complicated than you might expect. I don't need to know the details--the algorithm is plenty good enough for my needs.
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at July 26, 2021 10:47 AM (K5n5d)
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The SAT and ACT are TIMED tests. Speed is part of the test itself.
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Timed tests are racist.
They're trying to eliminate SATs and ACTs anyway, and go for the feelz "life experiences" college admission process anyway.
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Timed tests are racist.
They're trying to eliminate SATs and ACTs anyway, and go for the feelz "life experiences" college admission process anyway.
Posted by: Lady in Black at July 26, 2021 10:47 AM (O+I8R)
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KOLACHES!!!
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at July 26, 2021 10:45 AM (k/TB6)
SHHHHH! Don't tell them about those! I was going to distract them with the meringue cookies so that they'd leave the kolaches for US!
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at July 26, 2021 10:45 AM (k/TB6)
SHHHHH! Don't tell them about those! I was going to distract them with the meringue cookies so that they'd leave the kolaches for US!
Posted by: The FBI at July 26, 2021 10:47 AM (kZVsz)
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Hruba - Hruba !!
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at July 26, 2021 10:48 AM (lSZIs)
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Just why are the progs so obsessed with making something out of her?
Posted by: JoeF. at July 26, 2021 10:47 AM (mR6Gs)
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For the same reason Inuits use every part of the whale... waste not want not.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 26, 2021 10:47 AM (mR6Gs)
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For the same reason Inuits use every part of the whale... waste not want not.
Posted by: 496 at July 26, 2021 10:48 AM (VJsqe)
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Didn't watch the video, but my brain went to 70 x 6, which equals 420.
Posted by: pookysgirl
4:20? Puff puff pass.
Posted by: pookysgirl
4:20? Puff puff pass.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 26, 2021 10:48 AM (OCTRt)
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Off, federal sock...
Posted by: reason at July 26, 2021 10:48 AM (kZVsz)
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My understanding of math by the 7th grade was poor. I started algebra but never got very far, and was switch to 'business math'. Never got an advanced graduation diploma. Sneaked into college by claiming I had taken algebra (the college got wise to me and I had to take a math course anyway) and my college math professor really got me interested in advanced math and physics. Did very well, he was from some eastern European country and knew how to make it interesting. Probably teaching math in a very practical way. I still go blank when I watch that teacher moving numbers around in little boxes.
Posted by: Colin at July 26, 2021 10:48 AM (UF8gN)
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What American media is treating the rioting of last year in the same way?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 26, 2021 10:46 AM (LvTS
No media wants to be cancelled, so they ignore it---OR --they try to flip the script and talk ONLY about January 6
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 26, 2021 10:46 AM (LvTS
No media wants to be cancelled, so they ignore it---OR --they try to flip the script and talk ONLY about January 6
Posted by: JoeF. at July 26, 2021 10:48 AM (mR6Gs)
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The ability to learn is one of the most important abilities to me. I can't teach my children everything and I will admit that they are shorted a bit being homeschooled because they aren't exposed to as much of culture or new ideas. But I can teach them to pick up a book or question something or get on duckduckgo and find an answer. It starts with asking "Why?" ...
Posted by: squid_hunt at July 26, 2021 10:46 AM (B0mGw)
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My house had an encyclopedia. My dad's default answer to almost every question was, "go look it up." If I still had questions, he'd expand on what I learned with the encyclopedia's overview. Then we got the Internet and he taught me how to use Gopher and then the WWW. The answer (look it up!) remained the same, but the amount of material was much greater. Armed with those little looked-up morsels, I would then have more questions and then we'd talk for real.
Posted by: squid_hunt at July 26, 2021 10:46 AM (B0mGw)
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My house had an encyclopedia. My dad's default answer to almost every question was, "go look it up." If I still had questions, he'd expand on what I learned with the encyclopedia's overview. Then we got the Internet and he taught me how to use Gopher and then the WWW. The answer (look it up!) remained the same, but the amount of material was much greater. Armed with those little looked-up morsels, I would then have more questions and then we'd talk for real.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:49 AM (3p5uk)
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Math is hard!
Posted by: Barbie at July 26, 2021 10:49 AM (4I/2K)
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My grandma made maybe the best lemon meringue pie in the world...she lived to 103...sure do miss her.
Posted by: BignJames at July 26, 2021 10:49 AM (AwYPR)
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OK, folks, I have a little more writing to do, and since I have today off, I must get back to it.
Hope you all have a lovely day!
Hope you all have a lovely day!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2021 10:49 AM (2JVJo)
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I hired a Howard University grad who could neither spell or math. He quite regularly lost money on the most basic transactions in my business and when corrected he simply couldn't understand what I was talking about. Also, in his book keeping he wrote PAYED on vendor invoices he set up. That is still kind of a joke in my house.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at July 26, 2021 10:49 AM (flINI)
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Like when they crashed the Mars probe because one group was working in meters, and one in MPH... someone should have been able to say.... 'Hey... wait a sec... this don't look right...'.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 26, 2021 10:45 AM (oHd/0)
I think it was km vs meter confusion. Part of the problem with working in a system that just multiplies by 10s to go up is that the number doesn't really look different. Yards vs feets vs miles are obvious when you're converting them since you're not just adding or removing 0s.
Like when they crashed the Mars probe because one group was working in meters, and one in MPH... someone should have been able to say.... 'Hey... wait a sec... this don't look right...'.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 26, 2021 10:45 AM (oHd/0)
I think it was km vs meter confusion. Part of the problem with working in a system that just multiplies by 10s to go up is that the number doesn't really look different. Yards vs feets vs miles are obvious when you're converting them since you're not just adding or removing 0s.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 26, 2021 10:50 AM (z5Vrg)
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Good on you and taking your daughter the hell out of
those schools, she's got an advantage that towers over her peers. I'd
have to hire somebody to teach something like calculus, but I'd be happy
to get a tutor.
Posted by: clutch cargo
*fistbump* yep, and she is very good at running percentages in her head. Need to get her on a black jack table now that she is over 21.
those schools, she's got an advantage that towers over her peers. I'd
have to hire somebody to teach something like calculus, but I'd be happy
to get a tutor.
Posted by: clutch cargo
*fistbump* yep, and she is very good at running percentages in her head. Need to get her on a black jack table now that she is over 21.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at July 26, 2021 10:50 AM (k/TB6)
Posted by: Rex B at July 26, 2021 10:50 AM (Y5ieT)
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Cashiers are instructed to keep quarters in the register. It's that simple.
Posted by: pyuer at July 26, 2021 10:39 AM (wwOpQ)
These have been places that don't care.
Posted by: pyuer at July 26, 2021 10:39 AM (wwOpQ)
These have been places that don't care.
Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at July 26, 2021 10:50 AM (EpDzw)
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170 The SAT and ACT are TIMED tests. Speed is part of the test itself.
So how is speed 'not essential'? *shakes head*
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 26, 2021 10:45 AM (F0YaR)
Which is why many colleges no longer use the SAT or ACT for admissions, because being fast at Math is RAAAACIST.
So how is speed 'not essential'? *shakes head*
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 26, 2021 10:45 AM (F0YaR)
Which is why many colleges no longer use the SAT or ACT for admissions, because being fast at Math is RAAAACIST.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 26, 2021 10:50 AM (oHd/0)
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159 My wife was an activities director at RV park in Texas. All the high
schoolers that worked for her could not count back change or read an
analog clock.
back when the elementary school was trying to teach jr. chronda how to read clocks, i looked around the house and realized that all the clocks we had were either digital or humorous counter-clockwise analog clocks (including my wristwatch; a disney goofy watch at the time).
schoolers that worked for her could not count back change or read an
analog clock.
back when the elementary school was trying to teach jr. chronda how to read clocks, i looked around the house and realized that all the clocks we had were either digital or humorous counter-clockwise analog clocks (including my wristwatch; a disney goofy watch at the time).
Posted by: Comrade Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at July 26, 2021 10:50 AM (v3pYe)
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Didn't watch the video, but my brain went to 70 x 6, which equals 420.
Posted by: pookysgirl
Thank You for remembering mein brith day!
Posted by: pookysgirl
Thank You for remembering mein brith day!
Posted by: A. H. at July 26, 2021 10:50 AM (mR6Gs)
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198 What American media is treating the rioting of last year in the same way?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 26, 2021 10:46 AM (LvTS
No media wants to be cancelled, so they ignore it---OR --they try to flip the script and talk ONLY about January 6
Posted by: JoeF. at July 26, 2021 10:48 AM (mR6Gs)
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There's got to be some kind of underground set of voices that are trying to tell stories that relate to their own fears and concerns. A guy in Los Angeles who watched some riot near home who's got a camera and some friends to pull together to make something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 26, 2021 10:46 AM (LvTS
No media wants to be cancelled, so they ignore it---OR --they try to flip the script and talk ONLY about January 6
Posted by: JoeF. at July 26, 2021 10:48 AM (mR6Gs)
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There's got to be some kind of underground set of voices that are trying to tell stories that relate to their own fears and concerns. A guy in Los Angeles who watched some riot near home who's got a camera and some friends to pull together to make something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 26, 2021 10:50 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Alabama at July 26, 2021 10:50 AM (4fSQf)
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202 OK, folks, I have a little more writing to do, and since I have today off, I must get back to it.
Hope you all have a lovely day!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2021 10:49 AM (2JVJo)
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I hope your retreat was productive!
Hope you all have a lovely day!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2021 10:49 AM (2JVJo)
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I hope your retreat was productive!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 26, 2021 10:50 AM (LvTSG)
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When my late wife and I went grocery shopping I could do calculations faster in my head than she could with a calculator.
Posted by: Northernlurkerish at July 26, 2021 10:50 AM (cSyAR)
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That Stacy Abrams votive candle is creepy.
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It's absolutely ridiculous, isn't it? But don't forget, boys and girls, Trump supporters are a cult!
Leftists' skulls are full of concrete.
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It's absolutely ridiculous, isn't it? But don't forget, boys and girls, Trump supporters are a cult!
Leftists' skulls are full of concrete.
Posted by: Lady in Black at July 26, 2021 10:50 AM (O+I8R)
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Common core math seems very similar to whole word reading. "Pedagogues" (not teachers) noticed that no adult reads by sounding out every syllable and concluded that we should teach kids to read the way accomplished adults read, completely missing the fact that we got to be accomplished readers by sounding out in the first place.
Similarly, pedagogues noticed that people who are good at mental arithmetic are not doing it the "regular" way. If I have to do rapid mental arithmetic, I do use the methods taught in common core. But that is NOT how I would EVER teach a kid to do math. I learned it the "long" way first, and I got fast at mental arithmetic by doing a lot of regular arithmetic. There isn't a shortcut to proficiency. There just isn't.
Similarly, pedagogues noticed that people who are good at mental arithmetic are not doing it the "regular" way. If I have to do rapid mental arithmetic, I do use the methods taught in common core. But that is NOT how I would EVER teach a kid to do math. I learned it the "long" way first, and I got fast at mental arithmetic by doing a lot of regular arithmetic. There isn't a shortcut to proficiency. There just isn't.
Posted by: Mrs. Peel at July 26, 2021 10:50 AM (8548M)
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The SAT and ACT are TIMED tests. Speed is part of the test itself.
So how is speed 'not essential'? *shakes head*
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 26, 2021 10:45 AM (F0YaR)
Easy, just eliminate the SAT and ACT.
https://tinyurl.com/c77jj368
The SAT and ACT are TIMED tests. Speed is part of the test itself.
So how is speed 'not essential'? *shakes head*
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 26, 2021 10:45 AM (F0YaR)
Easy, just eliminate the SAT and ACT.
https://tinyurl.com/c77jj368
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 26, 2021 10:50 AM (n+4am)
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This Who Dis? Ralston chick isn't even the least bit hot.
No wonder they named a DOG food company after her
Posted by: JoeF. at July 26, 2021 10:45 AM (mR6Gs)
Lol. She'd do as a slump buster.
No wonder they named a DOG food company after her
Posted by: JoeF. at July 26, 2021 10:45 AM (mR6Gs)
Lol. She'd do as a slump buster.
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 26, 2021 10:50 AM (F0YaR)
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Didn't watch the video, but my brain went to 70 x 6, which equals 420.
Posted by: pookysgirl
Thank You for remembering mein brith day!
Posted by: A. H.
Thankfully, I don't remember mein bris day.
Posted by: pookysgirl
Thank You for remembering mein brith day!
Posted by: A. H.
Thankfully, I don't remember mein bris day.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 26, 2021 10:51 AM (OCTRt)
Posted by: Buzzion at July 26, 2021 10:51 AM (G2zl5)
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My wife was an activities director at RV park in Texas. All the high schoolers that worked for her could not count back change or read an analog clock. So she took the time and taught them the basics. At the time our daughter was 13 and she was teaching them also. by the end of the summer, everyone could count correct change, read and analog clock, write cursive and drive a standard transmission. It's not rocket science parents.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at July 26, 2021 10:43 AM (k/TB6)
My first "real" job was at a hardware store, I was 17. The first thing I learned was counting back change. Today, if the humanoid behind the register makes a mistake, their brain just shuts down and there's no way in hell they're going to change that $20. That goes double if I give them partial change. "No, you give me $1 and a quarter back"
Probably a year ago, I had a young girl actually count the change back to me. After I snapped out of my initial shock, I commended her for understanding something 95% of the population doesn't. And that goes for a couple of recent POTUS's
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at July 26, 2021 10:43 AM (k/TB6)
My first "real" job was at a hardware store, I was 17. The first thing I learned was counting back change. Today, if the humanoid behind the register makes a mistake, their brain just shuts down and there's no way in hell they're going to change that $20. That goes double if I give them partial change. "No, you give me $1 and a quarter back"
Probably a year ago, I had a young girl actually count the change back to me. After I snapped out of my initial shock, I commended her for understanding something 95% of the population doesn't. And that goes for a couple of recent POTUS's
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at July 26, 2021 10:51 AM (wAnMi)
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I was okay, not great at math in school. I have gotten much better because I actually need it in my daily life. I don't usually need more than algebra II, but sometimes I do. I have gotten much better at mental math, because it's faster (at least to get close to the answer) than accurately keying everything into a calculator.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:51 AM (3p5uk)
Posted by: Surprise Anal CCCRT Math at July 26, 2021 10:51 AM (vlCHn)
224
we used to fly with kolaches as carry on. They were that important.
Posted by: Quint at July 26, 2021 10:51 AM (F2/Ok)
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Cashiers are instructed to keep quarters in the register. It's that simple.
Posted by: pyuer at July 26, 2021 10:39 AM (wwOpQ)
Also, some stores WELCOME pennies
Posted by: pyuer at July 26, 2021 10:39 AM (wwOpQ)
Also, some stores WELCOME pennies
Posted by: JoeF. at July 26, 2021 10:51 AM (mR6Gs)
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41 Congrats MPPPP!
Posted by: Tonypete at July 26, 2021 10:25 AM (6WCwE)
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Seconded.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 26, 2021 10:26 AM (2SdPm)
Congratulations! That's some huge GAINZZZZ right there.
Posted by: Tonypete at July 26, 2021 10:25 AM (6WCwE)
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Seconded.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 26, 2021 10:26 AM (2SdPm)
Congratulations! That's some huge GAINZZZZ right there.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at July 26, 2021 10:52 AM (52RlJ)
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Ignorant people are much easier to control than people who can think for themselves.
The people running things don't care if the rest of us wind up living like Russia under communism as long as they retain power and position.
The people running things don't care if the rest of us wind up living like Russia under communism as long as they retain power and position.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 26, 2021 10:52 AM (2SdPm)
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Just why are the progs so obsessed with making something out of her?
Posted by: JoeF. at July 26, 2021 10:47 AM (mR6Gs)
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Soap.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 26, 2021 10:47 AM (mR6Gs)
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Soap.
Posted by: Tyler Durden at July 26, 2021 10:52 AM (kZVsz)
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204 I think it was km vs meter confusion.
true story. one day, mrs. chronda got a cut that needed a couple of stitches. took her to urgent care. the physician's assistant was filling out the form, and it asked for the length of the cut in millimeters. she looked at her ruler and said "this is no good; the form wants the length in millimeters, but this ruler is marked out in centimeters!" yes, she was blonde.
true story. one day, mrs. chronda got a cut that needed a couple of stitches. took her to urgent care. the physician's assistant was filling out the form, and it asked for the length of the cut in millimeters. she looked at her ruler and said "this is no good; the form wants the length in millimeters, but this ruler is marked out in centimeters!" yes, she was blonde.
Posted by: Comrade Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at July 26, 2021 10:52 AM (v3pYe)
Posted by: Muldoon at July 26, 2021 10:52 AM (Xwt96)
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Times tests are racist.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy not an FBI informant
It was the best of times; it was the worst of times, but mostly the worst of times.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy not an FBI informant
It was the best of times; it was the worst of times, but mostly the worst of times.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at July 26, 2021 10:53 AM (d9FiS)
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Can't go wrong comparing Nolan Ryan to Lebron James.
Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 26, 2021 10:53 AM (sX1BW)
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There's way too much math on this blog! On the plus side, this busty redhead's glasses make me quite sure that she's okay with math:
https://is.gd/Fov3eL
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:44 AM (3p5uk)
And now its time to figure out her measurements, based on the formula for her Parabolas...
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 26, 2021 10:46 AM (oHd/0)
Hip / waist / bust ratios!
https://is.gd/Fov3eL
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:44 AM (3p5uk)
And now its time to figure out her measurements, based on the formula for her Parabolas...
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 26, 2021 10:46 AM (oHd/0)
Hip / waist / bust ratios!
Posted by: Count de Monet, Free Agent (4I/2K) at July 26, 2021 10:53 AM (4I/2K)
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I was okay, not great at math in school. I have gotten much better because I actually need it in my daily life. I don't usually need more than algebra II, but sometimes I do. I have gotten much better at mental math, because it's faster (at least to get close to the answer) than accurately keying everything into a calculator.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:51 AM (3p5uk)
I've always been a "whiz" at simple adding, subtracting, multiplying and division.
But I failed Algebra and Advanced Math in HS and had to go to Summer School.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:51 AM (3p5uk)
I've always been a "whiz" at simple adding, subtracting, multiplying and division.
But I failed Algebra and Advanced Math in HS and had to go to Summer School.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 26, 2021 10:53 AM (mR6Gs)
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I am the farthest thing from a math major you will ever find but there is no rationale in existence for teaching multiplication in the lest half of that video. Same concept as cell phone driving directions make getting to the goal as long and arduous as possible.
Posted by: Jen the original at July 26, 2021 10:53 AM (F8MJE)
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So, I watched Assault on Precinct 13 this weekend, and I had a weird thought.
The early to mid 70s were filled with liberals making movies about the mass hordes of people coming to destroy them, and it was all, at its core, about the riots that tore at America in the late 60s, I think. They weren't establishment, though. Romero and Carpenter in particular were on the edge of filmmaking circles.
What American media is treating the rioting of last year in the same way?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 26, 2021 10:46 AM (LvTSG)
Purge Night?
Though the Progressives don't quite seem to get that they're the reason for Purge Night and the ultimate bad guys/outsiders in that world.
The early to mid 70s were filled with liberals making movies about the mass hordes of people coming to destroy them, and it was all, at its core, about the riots that tore at America in the late 60s, I think. They weren't establishment, though. Romero and Carpenter in particular were on the edge of filmmaking circles.
What American media is treating the rioting of last year in the same way?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 26, 2021 10:46 AM (LvTSG)
Purge Night?
Though the Progressives don't quite seem to get that they're the reason for Purge Night and the ultimate bad guys/outsiders in that world.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at July 26, 2021 10:53 AM (XvPQV)
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Posted by: Colin at July 26, 2021 10:48 AM (UF8gN)
Calculus was literally invented as a shorthand for physics. If you don't teach it with a Physics background, vice teaching it as pure math??? You loose a LOT of students.
Calculus was literally invented as a shorthand for physics. If you don't teach it with a Physics background, vice teaching it as pure math??? You loose a LOT of students.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 26, 2021 10:53 AM (oHd/0)
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Similarly, pedagogues noticed that people who are good at mental arithmetic are not doing it the "regular" way. If I have to do rapid mental arithmetic, I do use the methods taught in common core. But that is NOT how I would EVER teach a kid to do math. I learned it the "long" way first, and I got fast at mental arithmetic by doing a lot of regular arithmetic. There isn't a shortcut to proficiency. There just isn't.
Posted by: Mrs. Peel at July 26, 2021 10:50 AM (8548M)
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Right. Rote shit - sounding out words, memorizing your times tables, learning your key historical dates and facts, etc. - will allow you to synthesize later and up the complexity. Some people will never get there - there are unintelligent people - but most will get there to some degree all on their own once the foundation is laid. But I think that rote foundation is very effective, instead of trying to build the structure and let it find a foundation later.
Posted by: Mrs. Peel at July 26, 2021 10:50 AM (8548M)
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Right. Rote shit - sounding out words, memorizing your times tables, learning your key historical dates and facts, etc. - will allow you to synthesize later and up the complexity. Some people will never get there - there are unintelligent people - but most will get there to some degree all on their own once the foundation is laid. But I think that rote foundation is very effective, instead of trying to build the structure and let it find a foundation later.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:53 AM (3p5uk)
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Why not teach math both ways? Theory and memorization with short cuts.
Posted by: Max Power at July 26, 2021 10:54 AM (QCc6B)
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There's way too much math on this blog! On the plus side, this busty redhead's glasses make me quite sure that she's okay with math:
https://is.gd/Fov3eL
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:44 AM (3p5uk)
And now its time to figure out her measurements, based on the formula for her Parabolas...
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 26, 2021 10:46 AM (oHd/0)
Hip / waist / bust ratios!
Posted by: Count de Monet, Free Agent (4I/2K) at July 26, 2021 10:53 AM (4I/2K)
Now that is math I can get behind.
Speaking of getting behind, can we get a butt shot on that model?
Also, teaching her about multiplication could be fun.
https://is.gd/Fov3eL
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:44 AM (3p5uk)
And now its time to figure out her measurements, based on the formula for her Parabolas...
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 26, 2021 10:46 AM (oHd/0)
Hip / waist / bust ratios!
Posted by: Count de Monet, Free Agent (4I/2K) at July 26, 2021 10:53 AM (4I/2K)
Now that is math I can get behind.
Speaking of getting behind, can we get a butt shot on that model?
Also, teaching her about multiplication could be fun.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at July 26, 2021 10:54 AM (XvPQV)
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So now only racist have the ability to make nukes .
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 26, 2021 10:54 AM (ptq0O)
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I was taught math by wrote and then later developed my own faster systems verified in my mind by comparison to wrote. Even more important is how to do fuzzy math. Add, subtract, mult, div, sqroot, integrate, derivatives of large numbers ball parkish. What does commutative associative operation result in ball parkish? That sort of thing...
Posted by: banana Dream at July 26, 2021 10:54 AM (W0eia)
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@ Joe Mannix
My kids know better than to ask me how to spell something or how something works. At best, I tell them what to go look up.
My kids know better than to ask me how to spell something or how something works. At best, I tell them what to go look up.
Posted by: squid_hunt at July 26, 2021 10:55 AM (B0mGw)
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maybe this national change shortage is a Dem plot to cover up kids these days can't make change. They still act surprised when I pay in cash. I don't get why Covid = a shortage of change. I should sell them my change at a premium if things are that dire.
Posted by: Quint at July 26, 2021 10:55 AM (F2/Ok)
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236 Purge Night?
Though the Progressives don't quite seem to get that they're the reason for Purge Night and the ultimate bad guys/outsiders in that world.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at July 26, 2021 10:53 AM (XvPQV)
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I've never seen the Purge movies, but they seem to extend from progressive fears of America being run by a theocratic Christianity they've invented in their own heads, akin to the president in Escape from L.A.
It does seem like wherever these concerns about rioting manifest in modern media, it has to be reformed into a fear about the right, like how the attack in White House Down was actually organized by conservatives.
Though the Progressives don't quite seem to get that they're the reason for Purge Night and the ultimate bad guys/outsiders in that world.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at July 26, 2021 10:53 AM (XvPQV)
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I've never seen the Purge movies, but they seem to extend from progressive fears of America being run by a theocratic Christianity they've invented in their own heads, akin to the president in Escape from L.A.
It does seem like wherever these concerns about rioting manifest in modern media, it has to be reformed into a fear about the right, like how the attack in White House Down was actually organized by conservatives.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 26, 2021 10:55 AM (LvTSG)
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she looked at her ruler and said "this is no good; the form wants the length in millimeters, but this ruler is marked out in centimeters!" yes, she was blonde.
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When I was in med school in New Orleans I once asked an older gentleman how his colonoscopy procedure had gone. He said, "Oh man! I think they had that thing 50 thermometers up inside me!"
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When I was in med school in New Orleans I once asked an older gentleman how his colonoscopy procedure had gone. He said, "Oh man! I think they had that thing 50 thermometers up inside me!"
Posted by: Muldoon at July 26, 2021 10:55 AM (Xwt96)
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Nothing bad will come of Big Tech companies sharing data on a "counterterrorism 'key database'" to crack down on "white supremacists" and "far-right militias", I'm sure.
https://tinyurl.com/sk9syzvn
https://tinyurl.com/sk9syzvn
Posted by: Thrawn at July 26, 2021 10:55 AM (5aFbR)
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So.
An Army First Lieutenant won the gold for skeet shooting.
That would normally rate about ten seconds of coverage at midnight becasue...evil gunz, but in this case the story will probably get about 20 seconds closer to prime time.
The LT is kinda hawt.
An Army First Lieutenant won the gold for skeet shooting.
That would normally rate about ten seconds of coverage at midnight becasue...evil gunz, but in this case the story will probably get about 20 seconds closer to prime time.
The LT is kinda hawt.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 26, 2021 10:56 AM (axyOa)
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"Just why are the progs so obsessed with making something out of her?"
"Soap."
I would have said glue.
"Soap."
I would have said glue.
Posted by: squid_hunt at July 26, 2021 10:56 AM (B0mGw)
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I believe that common core is a result of failing to teach our multiplication tables for at least a generation.
Which meant that there are kids who would multiply two number, and come up with an answer which was a smaller number than either of the original two numbers.
And never question their result, just write it down and move on.
The basic premise of 'understand why' is not necessarily bad.
But common core sucks donkey balls.
Which meant that there are kids who would multiply two number, and come up with an answer which was a smaller number than either of the original two numbers.
And never question their result, just write it down and move on.
The basic premise of 'understand why' is not necessarily bad.
But common core sucks donkey balls.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice. Asymptomatic raycist at July 26, 2021 10:56 AM (snOKo)
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The purpose of common core is to teach you that you can't do math in your head.
But, the overall goal is to teach you how to not think; that thinking is too hard.
You need an authority to tell you what the answer is; a calculator, an expert, a scientist-- but not you, you aren't allowed to think.
Because it's designed to frustrate you if you try to "think" to the correct answer.
But, the overall goal is to teach you how to not think; that thinking is too hard.
You need an authority to tell you what the answer is; a calculator, an expert, a scientist-- but not you, you aren't allowed to think.
Because it's designed to frustrate you if you try to "think" to the correct answer.
Posted by: Mrm88 at July 26, 2021 10:56 AM (jIL4c)
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Right. Rote shit - sounding out words, memorizing your times tables, learning your key historical dates and facts, etc. - will allow you to synthesize later and up the complexity. Some people will never get there - there are unintelligent people - but most will get there to some degree all on their own once the foundation is laid. But I think that rote foundation is very effective, instead of trying to build the structure and let it find a foundation later.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:53 AM (3p5uk)
Have to have memorized how to do 10x5 quickly before you can do 13x5 as 50 +3x5
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:53 AM (3p5uk)
Have to have memorized how to do 10x5 quickly before you can do 13x5 as 50 +3x5
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 26, 2021 10:57 AM (z5Vrg)
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Sounds like the new and 'improved' method of math simply does not add up. As planned.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2021 10:57 AM (6hUiM)
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True but embarrassing story about everyday math and how dependent on technology some of us become. I'm a CPA. One of the managers at my old firm and I went to the local diner for lunch one day. They had good chili dogs and we both had the chili dogs. At the end of the meal the waitress came by with the check and said "It's $12.10 fellas."
We both stared at each other and then her blankly. She said "That's $6.05 each".
We looked absolutely ridiculous. We were so used to using our 10-keys to add and subtract numbers that we both just completely blanked in real life!
We both stared at each other and then her blankly. She said "That's $6.05 each".
We looked absolutely ridiculous. We were so used to using our 10-keys to add and subtract numbers that we both just completely blanked in real life!
Posted by: 496 at July 26, 2021 10:57 AM (VJsqe)
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I should sell them my change at a premium if things are that dire.
Posted by: Quint at July 26, 2021 10:55 AM (F2/Ok)
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At the very least you should see if they'll trade you one to one your nickels for their dimes. The nickels are bigger don't cha know...
Posted by: Quint at July 26, 2021 10:55 AM (F2/Ok)
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At the very least you should see if they'll trade you one to one your nickels for their dimes. The nickels are bigger don't cha know...
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at July 26, 2021 10:57 AM (flINI)
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That Stacy Abrams votive candle is creepy.
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It's absolutely ridiculous, isn't it? But don't forget, boys and girls, Trump supporters are a cult!
Leftists' skulls are full of concrete.
Posted by: Lady in Black at July 26, 2021 10:50 AM (O+I8R)
Here, in the SF Bay Scarya, there were rolling shrines to the Mocha Messiah rolling around for many years. Usually always a Lesburu (but sometimes a Volvo), there were these stickers of Obama that looked like some sort of renaissance portrait, and they'd put the Virgin De Guadalupe type Obama candles displayed in the rear window surrounded by the portraits as well as figurines and incense burners.
This was not particularly unusual (I'm sure some SF morons can back me on this one). It's been a while since I've seen one, no doubt most of those cars were totaled at some point.
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It's absolutely ridiculous, isn't it? But don't forget, boys and girls, Trump supporters are a cult!
Leftists' skulls are full of concrete.
Posted by: Lady in Black at July 26, 2021 10:50 AM (O+I8R)
Here, in the SF Bay Scarya, there were rolling shrines to the Mocha Messiah rolling around for many years. Usually always a Lesburu (but sometimes a Volvo), there were these stickers of Obama that looked like some sort of renaissance portrait, and they'd put the Virgin De Guadalupe type Obama candles displayed in the rear window surrounded by the portraits as well as figurines and incense burners.
This was not particularly unusual (I'm sure some SF morons can back me on this one). It's been a while since I've seen one, no doubt most of those cars were totaled at some point.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at July 26, 2021 10:57 AM (wAnMi)
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Eliminating common core math would be a good platform to run on. You'd probably win over the wine moms.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 26, 2021 10:57 AM (NpAcC)
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Doing the efficient method first gives your mind a "calculator app" to verify the backend proof later. Of course they know this and that's why they give kids calculators in school now.
Posted by: banana Dream at July 26, 2021 10:57 AM (W0eia)
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B-17 pilot: Fighters coming in at 10 O'Clock!
Millennial top turret gunner: What's that in millimeters?
Millennial top turret gunner: What's that in millimeters?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at July 26, 2021 10:57 AM (d9FiS)
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My first "real" job was at a hardware store, I was 17. The first thing I learned was counting back change. Today, if the humanoid behind the register makes a mistake, their brain just shuts down and there's no way in hell they're going to change that $20. That goes double if I give them partial change. "No, you give me $1 and a quarter back"
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Reminds me of the last time I tried to be "helpful" at the convenience store.
My total was $3.58
I gave the girl behind the counter a five dollar bill, a nickel, and three pennies.
She was so confused she almost cried.
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Reminds me of the last time I tried to be "helpful" at the convenience store.
My total was $3.58
I gave the girl behind the counter a five dollar bill, a nickel, and three pennies.
She was so confused she almost cried.
Posted by: reason at July 26, 2021 10:58 AM (kZVsz)
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"True but embarrassing story about everyday math and how dependent on technology some of us become. "
In all fairness, when you're dealing with large amounts of numbers daily and errors carry forward, we're much better off using spreadsheets to do the calculating and tracking.
In all fairness, when you're dealing with large amounts of numbers daily and errors carry forward, we're much better off using spreadsheets to do the calculating and tracking.
Posted by: squid_hunt at July 26, 2021 10:58 AM (B0mGw)
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will allow you to synthesize later and up the complexity --------------------------- there is simply no way to understand history without knowing geography and basic dates. All of which must be memorized. But the left doesn't care if you understand history.
Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 26, 2021 10:58 AM (sX1BW)
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259 B-17 pilot: Fighters coming in at 10 O'Clock!
Oh, goody, it is only 9. I have an hour to scroll FB.
Oh, goody, it is only 9. I have an hour to scroll FB.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy not an FBI informant at July 26, 2021 10:59 AM (gpKIi)
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With pencil and paper it used to be when I saw a basic math problem I just rote the answer.
Posted by: Muldoon at July 26, 2021 10:59 AM (Xwt96)
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we didn't have common core. We had answer the (* question.
Posted by: Quint at July 26, 2021 10:59 AM (F2/Ok)
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My total was $3.58
I gave the girl behind the counter a five dollar bill, a nickel, and three pennies.
She was so confused she almost cried.
Posted by: reason at July 26, 2021 10:58 AM (kZVsz)
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And I assume she had a cash register that did calculations for her.
I gave the girl behind the counter a five dollar bill, a nickel, and three pennies.
She was so confused she almost cried.
Posted by: reason at July 26, 2021 10:58 AM (kZVsz)
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And I assume she had a cash register that did calculations for her.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:59 AM (3p5uk)
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First, I'd like to say that I loved, loved, loved my 7th grade math teacher Mr. Lebrenz. He was one of the coolest teachers I (we) ever had.
Second, WTF!!! whatever happening to flashcards?
Second, WTF!!! whatever happening to flashcards?
Posted by: sidney at July 26, 2021 10:59 AM (+fjIe)
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My total was $3.58
I gave the girl behind the counter a five dollar bill, a nickel, and three pennies.
She was so confused she almost cried.
Posted by: reason at July 26, 2021 10:58 AM (kZVsz)
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I'm never that helpful, mostly because all change in my pocket goes into the change jar once I get home.
I gave the girl behind the counter a five dollar bill, a nickel, and three pennies.
She was so confused she almost cried.
Posted by: reason at July 26, 2021 10:58 AM (kZVsz)
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I'm never that helpful, mostly because all change in my pocket goes into the change jar once I get home.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 26, 2021 10:59 AM (2SdPm)
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 26, 2021 11:00 AM (PiwSw)
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Do you make kids learn their scales first or throw them straight at Bach?
(I actually did learn piano initially, twenty years ago, by teaching myself how to play Minuet in G Major one fucking measure at a time. Guess what? That was stupid. Knowing the G major scale and the various chords typically used in G major makes learning that piece WAY easier.)
(I actually did learn piano initially, twenty years ago, by teaching myself how to play Minuet in G Major one fucking measure at a time. Guess what? That was stupid. Knowing the G major scale and the various chords typically used in G major makes learning that piece WAY easier.)
Posted by: Mrs. Peel at July 26, 2021 11:00 AM (8548M)
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I'm never that helpful, mostly because all change in my pocket goes into the change jar once I get home.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 26, 2021 10:59 AM (2SdPm)
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I use my change throughout the day, and then the remainder goes in the change tub. I start each day changeless and it accumulates until it's worth it for me to take it in to the credit union and get it converted.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 26, 2021 10:59 AM (2SdPm)
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I use my change throughout the day, and then the remainder goes in the change tub. I start each day changeless and it accumulates until it's worth it for me to take it in to the credit union and get it converted.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 11:00 AM (3p5uk)
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Here, in the SF Bay Scarya, there were rolling shrines to the Mocha Messiah rolling around for many years.
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I actually saw a Kamala bumper sticker yesterday.
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I actually saw a Kamala bumper sticker yesterday.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at July 26, 2021 11:00 AM (d9FiS)
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The new math, a.k.a. WOkE math, is getting people trained to think and maybe act like computers. She is demonstrating how computers do math. Humans must come second in the woke world.
Posted by: MantuaBill at July 26, 2021 11:01 AM (7czVi)
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Everything is bigger in millimeters.
Posted by: Alabama at July 26, 2021 11:01 AM (4fSQf)
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The Armed Forces had a series of instructional books, back in WWII, to teach math and english to servicemen. When my first husband was a child and had problems in school, his dad gave him the Navy instructional books. Worked out well. He used to tutor math for the machinist classes at the community college.
We could easily go back to something like that and cut out this nonsense.
We could easily go back to something like that and cut out this nonsense.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at July 26, 2021 11:01 AM (5HBd1)
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167 CAT, If the Republicans had the majority and elected Trump as speaker, then it would be the Dems that had no standing to challenge the election.
Actually, the Court has delivered a decision on point which is Powell v. McCormick (dealt with refusing to seat Powell instead of expelling him). This precedent was used in US Term Limits v. Thornton (term limits case) and dates back to Marbury v. Madison. Essentially, the doctrine is that Congress cannot change the wording of the constitution via a statute by either adding or subtracting words that contradict the constitutional language.
Actually, the Court has delivered a decision on point which is Powell v. McCormick (dealt with refusing to seat Powell instead of expelling him). This precedent was used in US Term Limits v. Thornton (term limits case) and dates back to Marbury v. Madison. Essentially, the doctrine is that Congress cannot change the wording of the constitution via a statute by either adding or subtracting words that contradict the constitutional language.
Posted by: whig at July 26, 2021 11:01 AM (pO7gM)
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Well a society that had gone to the moon and was starting to create the digital transformation of human life clearly needed new ways to teach math.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 26, 2021 11:01 AM (9T05o)
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I use my change throughout the day, and then the remainder goes in the change tub. I start each day changeless and it accumulates until it's worth it for me to take it in to the credit union and get it converted.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 11:00 AM (3p5uk)
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We save ours and eventually cash it in to help fund a vacation.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 11:00 AM (3p5uk)
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We save ours and eventually cash it in to help fund a vacation.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 26, 2021 11:01 AM (2SdPm)
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Never been a fan of lemon meringue pie. Key lime pie is more my style.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 26, 2021 11:01 AM (NpAcC)
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I believe Common Core is founded on findings that students who were very good at math were using various shortcuts to get to the answer (breaking up large numbers into units of 10 with remainders, for example) so the idea was "let's teach the shortcuts !" The problem is these smart kids HAD ALREADY MASTERED the underlying basics (longhand, times tables, etc.) before applying these little cheats to get to the answer faster. Teaching backwards from the shortcuts doesn't get you there.
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at July 26, 2021 11:02 AM (ljXWV)
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279 Never been a fan of lemon meringue pie. Key lime pie is more my style.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 26, 2021 11:01 AM (NpAcC
This^
Posted by: redridinghood at July 26, 2021 11:01 AM (NpAcC
This^
Posted by: Alabama at July 26, 2021 11:02 AM (4fSQf)
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Activists want to change the world but can't make change for the world.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at July 26, 2021 11:02 AM (d9FiS)
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I recall a PBS commercial I saw about a program to get girls more involved in STEM.
Well, it wasn't about actually getting girls to actually do STEM stuff. It was about getting girls to make art projects about how awesome STEM was.
I'm really surprised no one seem to notice the irony.
Well, it wasn't about actually getting girls to actually do STEM stuff. It was about getting girls to make art projects about how awesome STEM was.
I'm really surprised no one seem to notice the irony.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 26, 2021 11:02 AM (LvTSG)
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Well a society that had gone to the moon and was starting to create the digital transformation of human life clearly needed new ways to teach math.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 26, 2021 11:01 AM (9T05o)
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Heh. So much of this crap - new math, etc. - was because the Soviets were beating us in the space race.
Yet the guys who beat the Soviets in the space race were all taught using the old methods...
Posted by: rhomboid at July 26, 2021 11:01 AM (9T05o)
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Heh. So much of this crap - new math, etc. - was because the Soviets were beating us in the space race.
Yet the guys who beat the Soviets in the space race were all taught using the old methods...
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 11:02 AM (3p5uk)
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That Stacy Abrams votive candle is creepy.
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It's absolutely ridiculous, isn't it? But don't forget, boys and girls, Trump supporters are a cult!
Leftists' skulls are full of concrete.
Posted by: Lady in Black at July 26, 2021 10:50 AM (O+I8R)
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On the upside, they make great targets for night shooting.
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It's absolutely ridiculous, isn't it? But don't forget, boys and girls, Trump supporters are a cult!
Leftists' skulls are full of concrete.
Posted by: Lady in Black at July 26, 2021 10:50 AM (O+I8R)
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On the upside, they make great targets for night shooting.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 26, 2021 11:02 AM (axyOa)
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I found a version of that "counting up" subtraction method useful for quickly and accurately counting change when I worked a register in my youth.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at July 26, 2021 11:03 AM (fpng3)
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Fred MacMurray
Posted by: IrishEi at July 26, 2021 11:03 AM (9GRhC)
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To add further confusion on giving change back to customers, at Wally World some days the computer registers will round up the change so customers get whole dollars back. Some days that function is disabled and its back to normal operations of burying customers in pennies because they insist on paying in cash at registers that say "Card Only" because of the change shortage.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 26, 2021 11:03 AM (6hUiM)
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Essentially, the doctrine is that Congress cannot change the wording of
the constitution via a statute by either adding or subtracting words
that contradict the constitutional language. --------------------- But Congress can clearly ignore the wording the Constitution.
the constitution via a statute by either adding or subtracting words
that contradict the constitutional language. --------------------- But Congress can clearly ignore the wording the Constitution.
Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 26, 2021 11:03 AM (sX1BW)
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I do 35 x 10 and then 35 x 2. But I would teach someone how to do math before teaching them that.
Posted by: ... at July 26, 2021 11:03 AM (ZVL5R)
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Well a society that had gone to the moon and was starting to create the digital transformation of human life clearly needed new ways to teach math.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 26, 2021 11:01 AM (9T05o)
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Bring back slide rules!
Posted by: rhomboid at July 26, 2021 11:01 AM (9T05o)
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Bring back slide rules!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 26, 2021 11:03 AM (2SdPm)
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I think the point of the common core math is the same as the rest of the curriculum - to create functionally incapable adults who are permanent wards of the State and its corporate adjuncts.
But also, like the rest of the curriculum, it has a secondary but very intentional follow-on benefit: by altering the entire structure of how and what children learn, they ensure a full break from the past, with families who for the first time can't learn from each other. It creates a scenario where one generation doesn't even speak the same intellectual language as the next.
I think the point of the common core math is the same as the rest of the curriculum - to create functionally incapable adults who are permanent wards of the State and its corporate adjuncts.
But also, like the rest of the curriculum, it has a secondary but very intentional follow-on benefit: by altering the entire structure of how and what children learn, they ensure a full break from the past, with families who for the first time can't learn from each other. It creates a scenario where one generation doesn't even speak the same intellectual language as the next.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 26, 2021 11:03 AM (JN3xP)
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This^
Posted by: Alabama at July 26, 2021 11:02 AM (4fSQf)
this again. But to be honest if i had a lemon meringue pie i front of me right now it would go down.
Posted by: Alabama at July 26, 2021 11:02 AM (4fSQf)
this again. But to be honest if i had a lemon meringue pie i front of me right now it would go down.
Posted by: Quint at July 26, 2021 11:03 AM (F2/Ok)
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Once again, I'll state my totally true theory of teaching...
You either have the specific talent to teach or you don't. Some people have the God-given talent that allows them to make a connection with others in such a way that they can explain something so that another understands. Without this talent, no amount of classes, masters degrees or Jill Biden Ph.D's will give you the ability to pass knowledge along.
You either have the specific talent to teach or you don't. Some people have the God-given talent that allows them to make a connection with others in such a way that they can explain something so that another understands. Without this talent, no amount of classes, masters degrees or Jill Biden Ph.D's will give you the ability to pass knowledge along.
Posted by: jwest at July 26, 2021 11:03 AM (/BlEx)
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271 I use my change throughout the day, and then the remainder goes in the change tub. I start each day changeless and it accumulates until it's worth it for me to take it in to the credit union and get it converted.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 11:00 AM (3p5uk)
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My grandfather did that. When we came to visit about yearly, my older brother and I would roll all the change. We would get a cut for the work that what we did.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 11:00 AM (3p5uk)
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My grandfather did that. When we came to visit about yearly, my older brother and I would roll all the change. We would get a cut for the work that what we did.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 26, 2021 11:03 AM (LvTSG)
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Wasn't the 60s "new math" based on set theory? I'm a bit too young to have been exposed to it, but that's what I recall hearing. While I know that technically all arithmetic can be derived from set theory axioms, it also sounds like an incredibly painful way to do things.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 26, 2021 11:03 AM (DXFDM)
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Never been a fan of lemon meringue pie. Key lime pie is more my style.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 26, 2021 11:01 AM (NpAcC
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Key lime pie is the greatest thing in the world. A close second is lime cheesecake.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 26, 2021 11:01 AM (NpAcC
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Key lime pie is the greatest thing in the world. A close second is lime cheesecake.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 11:04 AM (3p5uk)
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Knowing the G major scale and the various chords typically used in G major makes learning that piece WAY easier.)
Posted by: Mrs. Peel at July 26, 2021 11:00 AM (8548M)
Standard harmony rule.
Posted by: Mrs. Peel at July 26, 2021 11:00 AM (8548M)
Standard harmony rule.
Posted by: BignJames at July 26, 2021 11:04 AM (AwYPR)
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And I assume she had a cash register that did calculations for her.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:59 AM (3p5uk)
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Probably. I think the shock that I was using "manual money" and not a card was part of the shock. The buttons for sending the transaction to the chip reader are probably so worn they don't even have letters on them anymore.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 10:59 AM (3p5uk)
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Probably. I think the shock that I was using "manual money" and not a card was part of the shock. The buttons for sending the transaction to the chip reader are probably so worn they don't even have letters on them anymore.
Posted by: reason at July 26, 2021 11:04 AM (kZVsz)
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"Seriously, who the hell teaches math this way?"
Every f----ing public school in the U.S. I saw this crap over 7 years ago. It's insane.
Every f----ing public school in the U.S. I saw this crap over 7 years ago. It's insane.
Posted by: aelfheld at July 26, 2021 11:04 AM (Zy9Yy)
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Well, it wasn't about actually getting girls to actually do STEM stuff. It was about getting girls to make art projects about how awesome STEM was.
I'm really surprised no one seem to notice the irony.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 26, 2021 11:02 AM (LvTSG)
Hence STEAM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Arts, Math). Just move the goal posts...
I'm really surprised no one seem to notice the irony.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 26, 2021 11:02 AM (LvTSG)
Hence STEAM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Arts, Math). Just move the goal posts...
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 26, 2021 11:04 AM (PiwSw)
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this again. But to be honest if i had a lemon meringue pie i front of me right now it would go down.
Posted by: Quint at July 26, 2021 11:03 AM (F2/Ok
Pie is like women. Sure, you have a preference but you won't say no to free pie.
this again. But to be honest if i had a lemon meringue pie i front of me right now it would go down.
Posted by: Quint at July 26, 2021 11:03 AM (F2/Ok
Pie is like women. Sure, you have a preference but you won't say no to free pie.
Posted by: Alabama at July 26, 2021 11:04 AM (4fSQf)
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this again. But to be honest if i had a lemon meringue pie i front of me right now
it would go down.
Posted by: Quint
Like a fat kid on a see-saw.
it would go down.
Posted by: Quint
Like a fat kid on a see-saw.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 26, 2021 11:04 AM (OCTRt)
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..But it's DONE!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2021 10:24 AM (2JVJo)
TL/DR
*i keed..I KEED!* Congrats, amigo!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2021 10:24 AM (2JVJo)
TL/DR
*i keed..I KEED!* Congrats, amigo!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at July 26, 2021 11:04 AM (QzJWU)
Posted by: REDACTED at July 26, 2021 11:04 AM (YK4Qh)
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I once got marks off on an test question about tree ring dating because I used the wrong method to get the correct answer (pretty sure it was correct). Still pissed, but I did change what method I used on tests. Now, I have no idea what I learned.
Also, Common Core overcomplicates things. I would have loved it in school, because I always overcomplicated. No, I would have hated it anyway. No one ever explains WHY, they just make you learn by rote.
Geometry was the only math class that made sense to me, because I had a teacher who took us outside and showed us WHY and HOW it related to the real world.
Also, Common Core overcomplicates things. I would have loved it in school, because I always overcomplicated. No, I would have hated it anyway. No one ever explains WHY, they just make you learn by rote.
Geometry was the only math class that made sense to me, because I had a teacher who took us outside and showed us WHY and HOW it related to the real world.
Posted by: soulpile at July 26, 2021 11:04 AM (hiX0r)
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there are two types of people. Ask them what pie means to them and they will self segregate.
Posted by: Quint at July 26, 2021 11:05 AM (F2/Ok)
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>>> The new math, a.k.a. WOkE math, is getting people trained to think and maybe act like computers. She is demonstrating how computers do math. Humans must come second in the woke world.
Computers do not do math that way at all. There are integer and floating point structures in every cpu that streamline the boolean operations necessary for math and the procedures they take are nothing like that.
Computers do not do math that way at all. There are integer and floating point structures in every cpu that streamline the boolean operations necessary for math and the procedures they take are nothing like that.
Posted by: banana Dream at July 26, 2021 11:05 AM (W0eia)
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I don't remember enough of new math to tell you what it was based on. Fortunately I'd had a great math teacher the previous year and I got through it without too much damage. But I can remember my mom puzzling over that math book, trying to make some sense of it.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at July 26, 2021 11:05 AM (5HBd1)
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28 I need a couple of weeks to type up what I've written and do some editing, then out it goes to beta readers.
But it's DONE!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2021 10:24 AM (2JVJo)
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Noice.
But it's DONE!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 26, 2021 10:24 AM (2JVJo)
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Noice.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 26, 2021 11:05 AM (LvTSG)
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You either have the specific talent to teach or you don't. ---------------------- Very true. Most don't. There is a reason why we remember only a few teachers in life. When you meet a great teacher, it is awesome.
Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 26, 2021 11:05 AM (sX1BW)
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I told my son to do it the way he felt most comfortable.
Since none of his grades count until high school and they dont do that bs there (much) I told him I would back him if the teacher objected. I have had a couple complain and I ask them why they are suppressing his natural talent. And then I ask - arent you the ones who keep saying it just matters how they get it right? They back off pretty quick when I tell them that is all I care about.
Since none of his grades count until high school and they dont do that bs there (much) I told him I would back him if the teacher objected. I have had a couple complain and I ask them why they are suppressing his natural talent. And then I ask - arent you the ones who keep saying it just matters how they get it right? They back off pretty quick when I tell them that is all I care about.
Posted by: Dr Evil, formerly Loki, looking to water the Tree of Liberty with my F-15 and nukes at July 26, 2021 11:06 AM (KqiMr)
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I do 35 x 10 and then 35 x 2. But I would teach someone how to do math before teaching them that.
Posted by: ... at July 26, 2021 11:03 AM (ZVL5R)
*fistbump*
Posted by: ... at July 26, 2021 11:03 AM (ZVL5R)
*fistbump*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at July 26, 2021 11:06 AM (XvPQV)
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280 I believe Common Core is founded on findings that students who were very good at math were using various shortcuts to get to the answer (breaking up large numbers into units of 10 with remainders, for example) so the idea was "let's teach the shortcuts !" The problem is these smart kids HAD ALREADY MASTERED the underlying basics (longhand, times tables, etc.) before applying these little cheats to get to the answer faster. Teaching backwards from the shortcuts doesn't get you there.
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at July 26, 2021 11:02 AM (ljXWV)
This right here. You can't bend or break the rules until and unless you understand them. This is the same problem with "whole word" instead of phonics.
Programming the rote basics into everyone is the basic, if boring, first and necessary step.
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at July 26, 2021 11:02 AM (ljXWV)
This right here. You can't bend or break the rules until and unless you understand them. This is the same problem with "whole word" instead of phonics.
Programming the rote basics into everyone is the basic, if boring, first and necessary step.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at July 26, 2021 11:06 AM (fpng3)
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289, SH, Congress or the executive can only do so if the Court blesses their efforts. That is the real problem with the Framer's ideas is that the Courts will prove in time to follow the election returns. The other problem is that the Courts, rather than constitutional amendments, has become an ongoing constitutional revision convention rather than simply interpreting the language of the Constitution.
Posted by: whig at July 26, 2021 11:06 AM (pO7gM)
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We looked absolutely ridiculous. We were so used to using our 10-keys to add and subtract numbers that we both just completely blanked in real life!
Posted by: 496 at July 26, 2021 10:57 AM (VJsqe)
I won't laugh too hard - I short out when the pressure is on sometimes. More than once I've been at a restaurant with friends, and they'd pull out their phone to calculate the tip. I am by no means a math whizz at all, but always wind up saying - the tip is 20%? Figure 10% and double it. Tab is $63.27? Then that's roughly double $6.30 - $12.60. You want 15%? Cut the second 10% in half.
I think a lot of it is programming - especially those raised with calculators. Crutches get reached for, I'm the worst. I think I was probably in college when I actually got a (graphing) calculator, and bitched it was $40 something.
Posted by: 496 at July 26, 2021 10:57 AM (VJsqe)
I won't laugh too hard - I short out when the pressure is on sometimes. More than once I've been at a restaurant with friends, and they'd pull out their phone to calculate the tip. I am by no means a math whizz at all, but always wind up saying - the tip is 20%? Figure 10% and double it. Tab is $63.27? Then that's roughly double $6.30 - $12.60. You want 15%? Cut the second 10% in half.
I think a lot of it is programming - especially those raised with calculators. Crutches get reached for, I'm the worst. I think I was probably in college when I actually got a (graphing) calculator, and bitched it was $40 something.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at July 26, 2021 11:06 AM (wAnMi)
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Never been a fan of lemon meringue pie. Key lime pie is more my style.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 26, 2021 11:01 AM (NpAcC
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Key lime pie is the greatest thing in the world. A close second is lime cheesecake.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 11:04 AM (3p5uk)
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It is blueberry pie that is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
Well, that and beer, but yeah, blueberries!
Posted by: redridinghood at July 26, 2021 11:01 AM (NpAcC
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Key lime pie is the greatest thing in the world. A close second is lime cheesecake.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 11:04 AM (3p5uk)
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It is blueberry pie that is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
Well, that and beer, but yeah, blueberries!
Posted by: Diogenes at July 26, 2021 11:06 AM (axyOa)
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>>> there are two types of people. Ask them what pie means to them and they will self segregate.
Posted by: Quint at July 26, 2021 11:05 AM (F2/Ok)
mmmmm, pie
Posted by: Quint at July 26, 2021 11:05 AM (F2/Ok)
mmmmm, pie
Posted by: banana Dream at July 26, 2021 11:06 AM (W0eia)
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My grandfather did that. When we came to visit about yearly, my older brother and I would roll all the change. We would get a cut for the work that what we did.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 26, 2021 11:03 AM (LvTSG)
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Hey, little girl, you look 18 the way you sit.
...I got a roll of quarters in my pocket, wanna feel it?
Five bees for a quarter, they used to say.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 26, 2021 11:03 AM (LvTSG)
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Hey, little girl, you look 18 the way you sit.
...I got a roll of quarters in my pocket, wanna feel it?
Five bees for a quarter, they used to say.
Posted by: Joe Biden at July 26, 2021 11:06 AM (kZVsz)
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184 That Stacy Abrams votive candle is creepy.
Just why are the progs so obsessed with making something out of her? Posted by: JoeF. at July 26, 2021 10:47 AM (mR6Gs)
Abrams can check off a number of Aggrieved Victim boxes:
1.fat
2.dumb
3.ugly
4.lesbo (maybe)
5.stupid
6.entitled
7.won't shut up
She's a prog hero!
Just why are the progs so obsessed with making something out of her? Posted by: JoeF. at July 26, 2021 10:47 AM (mR6Gs)
Abrams can check off a number of Aggrieved Victim boxes:
1.fat
2.dumb
3.ugly
4.lesbo (maybe)
5.stupid
6.entitled
7.won't shut up
She's a prog hero!
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 26, 2021 11:07 AM (NN39P)
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Never been a fan of lemon meringue pie. Key lime pie is more my style.
Posted by: redridinghood
Key lime pie is the greatest thing in the world. A close second is lime cheesecake.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
Nothing beats a German Chocolate Cake.
Posted by: redridinghood
Key lime pie is the greatest thing in the world. A close second is lime cheesecake.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
Nothing beats a German Chocolate Cake.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 26, 2021 11:07 AM (OCTRt)
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Quick...what rhymes with algebra and EMP wave?
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 26, 2021 11:07 AM (ptq0O)
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Geometry was the only math class that made sense to me, because I had a teacher who took us outside and showed us WHY and HOW it related to the real world.
Posted by: soulpile at July 26, 2021 11:04 AM (hiX0r)
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Not me. I nearly failed geometry, and it is the only really bad grade I ever got because I *couldn't* do better. Algebra and trig were fine - I actually enjoyed them - but geometry flummoxed me and still does to varying degrees.
Posted by: soulpile at July 26, 2021 11:04 AM (hiX0r)
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Not me. I nearly failed geometry, and it is the only really bad grade I ever got because I *couldn't* do better. Algebra and trig were fine - I actually enjoyed them - but geometry flummoxed me and still does to varying degrees.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 11:07 AM (3p5uk)
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Geometry was the only math class that made sense to me, because I had a teacher who took us outside and showed us WHY and HOW it related to the real world.
Posted by: soulpile at July 26, 2021 11:04 AM (hiX0r)
Geometry and trig were always my favorites. They make intuitive sense to me, and I'm much better at them than algebra & calculus. My brother was exactly the opposite. I think that's probably pretty common.
Geometry was the only math class that made sense to me, because I had a teacher who took us outside and showed us WHY and HOW it related to the real world.
Posted by: soulpile at July 26, 2021 11:04 AM (hiX0r)
Geometry and trig were always my favorites. They make intuitive sense to me, and I'm much better at them than algebra & calculus. My brother was exactly the opposite. I think that's probably pretty common.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 26, 2021 11:07 AM (JN3xP)
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Coconut cream pie is proof some people are weird.
Posted by: Alabama at July 26, 2021 11:08 AM (4fSQf)
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Nood gropin' Joe
Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs (2pCaU) at July 26, 2021 11:08 AM (bogXd)
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Nothing like a math thread with pie.
Posted by: Alabama at July 26, 2021 11:08 AM (4fSQf)
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Calculating tips is another area where breaking up the problem is a great approach. I am good at calculating tips, and when I told my friends how I did it they looked really bemused that they never thought of it.
20% is hard. 10% is easy. Work from there by doubling or adding 50%.
20% is hard. 10% is easy. Work from there by doubling or adding 50%.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 11:09 AM (3p5uk)
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"I'd solve that problem by taking 10 x 35 =350 + 2 x 35 = 70. 350 + 70 = 420."
me too ... I can see that "it is not about speed" when teaching that kind of basic thinking. But using all those boxes might make it look like magic to the kid, instead of teaching simpler commutive properties (like above, if that is even the right term, associative I think is something else).
me too ... I can see that "it is not about speed" when teaching that kind of basic thinking. But using all those boxes might make it look like magic to the kid, instead of teaching simpler commutive properties (like above, if that is even the right term, associative I think is something else).
Posted by: illiniwek at July 26, 2021 11:09 AM (Cus5s)
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WTF!!! whatever happening to flashcards?
Posted by: sidney at July 26, 2021 10:59 AM (+fjIe)
Repurposed into race cards.
Those are the most flashedcards of the 21st century.
Posted by: sidney at July 26, 2021 10:59 AM (+fjIe)
Repurposed into race cards.
Those are the most flashedcards of the 21st century.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at July 26, 2021 11:09 AM (wAnMi)
Posted by: Diogenes at July 26, 2021 11:09 AM (axyOa)
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The other problem is that the Courts, rather than constitutional
amendments, has become an ongoing constitutional revision convention
rather than simply interpreting the language of the Constitution. ------------------------------- I submit that judicial review is not the problem. Judicial activism, primarily through substantive due process, is.
amendments, has become an ongoing constitutional revision convention
rather than simply interpreting the language of the Constitution. ------------------------------- I submit that judicial review is not the problem. Judicial activism, primarily through substantive due process, is.
Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 26, 2021 11:09 AM (sX1BW)
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You know, for a bunch of knuckledragging bitter clingers, there certainly seems to be more than a few here that know just a bit about math.
Odd, that.
Odd, that.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 26, 2021 11:09 AM (2SdPm)
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There's nothing wrong with the addition method in the video to show WHY the traditional method works. As such, the common core method should be used exactly ONCE and then the traditional method used after that. The video shows a proof, not a practical method.
Posted by: MichiCanuck at July 26, 2021 11:09 AM (m3iaN)
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Dan was a Carpenter and Grandfather was a Mason.
Geometry was taught to me as soon as I could learn it and I fucking hated it in school, because by then, it was a waste of my time.
Geometry was taught to me as soon as I could learn it and I fucking hated it in school, because by then, it was a waste of my time.
Posted by: garrett at July 26, 2021 11:09 AM (HzoeK)
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Pie is like women. Sure, you have a preference but you won't say no to free pie.
Posted by: Alabama at July 26, 2021 11:04 AM (4fSQf)
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That's very nice of you...
Posted by: Alabama at July 26, 2021 11:04 AM (4fSQf)
***
That's very nice of you...
Posted by: Lena Dunham at July 26, 2021 11:09 AM (flINI)
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MSNBC said Republicans are punching on inflation data even though inflation is not a big deal since it is ONLY running at 5%. Not making it up, an example was if a meal costs $10, 5% increase makes it $10.50 so who cares?
Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 26, 2021 11:09 AM (CNFy2)
Posted by: REDACTED at July 26, 2021 11:09 AM (YK4Qh)
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When you light the Stacy Abrams candle are you praying to Satan?
Posted by: redridinghood at July 26, 2021 11:10 AM (NpAcC)
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311 You either have the specific talent to teach or you don't. ---------------------- Very true. Most don't. There is a reason why we remember only a few teachers in life. When you meet a great teacher, it is awesome.
Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 26, 2021 11:05 AM (sX1BW)
Without teacher's unions (or a public education system) the talented and untalented would sort themselves out very quickly. The ones who can teach would make exceptional money. The people who can't teach would be wiping your windshield at the carwash.
Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 26, 2021 11:05 AM (sX1BW)
Without teacher's unions (or a public education system) the talented and untalented would sort themselves out very quickly. The ones who can teach would make exceptional money. The people who can't teach would be wiping your windshield at the carwash.
Posted by: jwest at July 26, 2021 11:10 AM (/BlEx)
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Posted by: jwest at July 26, 2021 11:03 AM (/BlEx)
While I agree there are gifted teachers out there, a correctly written Object Oriented Curriculum can overcome most of the barriers.
US Navy Instruction system is based on People who have done the job, teaching to do the job, but is very scripted on HOW.
And it works! They take high school grads on use them to Operate and Maintain some of the most complex equipment in the world.
Real problem today is that there is no real curriculum. All the teachers make it up as they go, and THEN no one is EVER looking over their shoulder, to see HOW or WHAT they are teaching.
While I agree there are gifted teachers out there, a correctly written Object Oriented Curriculum can overcome most of the barriers.
US Navy Instruction system is based on People who have done the job, teaching to do the job, but is very scripted on HOW.
And it works! They take high school grads on use them to Operate and Maintain some of the most complex equipment in the world.
Real problem today is that there is no real curriculum. All the teachers make it up as they go, and THEN no one is EVER looking over their shoulder, to see HOW or WHAT they are teaching.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 26, 2021 11:10 AM (oHd/0)
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Cobbler > pie
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 26, 2021 11:10 AM (s3BR3)
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'Carrying quarters' meaning to carry a roll of quarters in your front pocket to look like you've got a hard wang...
'Carrying quarters' meaning to carry a roll of quarters in your front pocket to look like you've got a hard wang...
Posted by: Surprise Anal CCCRT Math at July 26, 2021 11:10 AM (vlCHn)
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Coconut cream pie is proof some people are weird.
Posted by: Alabama at July 26, 2021 11:08 AM (4fSQf)
Yeah?....So?
Posted by: Alabama at July 26, 2021 11:08 AM (4fSQf)
Yeah?....So?
Posted by: BignJames at July 26, 2021 11:10 AM (AwYPR)
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Common Core is the Rube Goldberg of maths.
Posted by: Count de Monet, Free Agent (4I/2K) at July 26, 2021 11:10 AM (4I/2K)
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Pizza is like pie too. Some is great some is OK. But you will never say no to a slice.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 26, 2021 11:10 AM (CNFy2)
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Computers do not do math that way at all. There are integer and floating point structures in every cpu that streamline the boolean operations necessary for math and the procedures they take are nothing like that.
Posted by: banana Dream at July 26, 2021 11:05 AM (W0eia)
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All perfectly true, no doubt, but not the sort of thing to spring on a lad with a morning head!
-P. G. Wodehouse, paraphrased
Posted by: banana Dream at July 26, 2021 11:05 AM (W0eia)
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All perfectly true, no doubt, but not the sort of thing to spring on a lad with a morning head!
-P. G. Wodehouse, paraphrased
Posted by: 496 at July 26, 2021 11:10 AM (VJsqe)
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>Every f----ing public school in the U.S. I saw this crap over 7 years ago. It's insane.
Posted by: aelfheld at July 26, 2021 11:04 AM (Zy9Yy)
Another blessing of liberty, courtesy of Dubya.
Posted by: aelfheld at July 26, 2021 11:04 AM (Zy9Yy)
Another blessing of liberty, courtesy of Dubya.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 26, 2021 11:12 AM (DXFDM)
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35x12 kids, do it in your head or I'll fail you for the entire year. How about that? If you cant add 350+70 in your head, you're what we call too stupid for school.
Posted by: Jimco Industries at July 26, 2021 11:12 AM (buTO7)
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Cobbler > pie
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 26, 2021 11:10 AM (s3BR3)
Cobbler...means you can't make a decent pie crust.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 26, 2021 11:10 AM (s3BR3)
Cobbler...means you can't make a decent pie crust.
Posted by: BignJames at July 26, 2021 11:12 AM (AwYPR)
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>Hence STEAM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Arts, Math). Just move the goal posts...
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 26, 2021 11:04 AM (PiwSw)
You just triggered me
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 26, 2021 11:04 AM (PiwSw)
You just triggered me
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 26, 2021 11:12 AM (DXFDM)
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>>> asn't the 60s "new math" based on set theory? I'm a bit too young to have been exposed to it, but that's what I recall hearing. While I know that technically all arithmetic can be derived from set theory axioms, it also sounds like an incredibly painful way to do things.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 26, 2021 11:03 AM (DXFDM)
Every sufficiently complex system that can be stated formally , arithmetic is one such, if it is consistent it must be incomplete and if it is complete it must be inconsistent. So set theory either cannot contain all provable arithmetic statements or if it does it must form paradoxes.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 26, 2021 11:03 AM (DXFDM)
Every sufficiently complex system that can be stated formally , arithmetic is one such, if it is consistent it must be incomplete and if it is complete it must be inconsistent. So set theory either cannot contain all provable arithmetic statements or if it does it must form paradoxes.
Posted by: banana Dream at July 26, 2021 11:13 AM (W0eia)
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287 Fred MacMurray
Posted by: IrishEi at July 26, 2021 11:03 AM (9GRhC)
Already left, sorry. Rod Cameron says "hi", though.
Posted by: IrishEi at July 26, 2021 11:03 AM (9GRhC)
Already left, sorry. Rod Cameron says "hi", though.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 26, 2021 11:14 AM (NN39P)
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Cobbler > pie
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 26, 2021 11:10 AM (s3BR3)
Cobbler...means you can't make a decent pie crust.
Posted by: BignJames at July 26, 2021 11:12 AM (AwYPR)
Yep.
Cobbler is the Participation Trophy of Baked Goods.
That's not to say it doesn't taste okay.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 26, 2021 11:10 AM (s3BR3)
Cobbler...means you can't make a decent pie crust.
Posted by: BignJames at July 26, 2021 11:12 AM (AwYPR)
Yep.
Cobbler is the Participation Trophy of Baked Goods.
That's not to say it doesn't taste okay.
Posted by: naturalfake at July 26, 2021 11:14 AM (EERbD)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 26, 2021 11:15 AM (Zz0t1)
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"I'd solve that problem by taking 10 x 35 =350 + 2 x 35 = 70. 350 + 70 = 420."
me too ... I can see that "it is not about speed" when teaching that kind of basic thinking. But using all those boxes might make it look like magic to the kid, instead of teaching simpler commutive properties (like above, if that is even the right term, associative I think is something else).
Posted by: illiniwek at July 26, 2021 11:09 AM (Cus5s)
That's how I learned it, but not everyone was teaching it that way. I think breaking it down into separate components makes a lot of sense. I can see what that lady was attempting to do - but it's making it more convoluted and fussy than it needs to be. The beauty of Mmm... The beauty of Mmaa... the M word is there's many ways to approach the problem and get the correct answer. Our brains are all wired differently, so a good teacher should be able to find a method that makes sense. I had one instructor that was just excited by numbers, and he'd spend an entire class showing us methods to solve a problem, then challenge us to figure out a way ourselves. THAT is what a good instructor does.
me too ... I can see that "it is not about speed" when teaching that kind of basic thinking. But using all those boxes might make it look like magic to the kid, instead of teaching simpler commutive properties (like above, if that is even the right term, associative I think is something else).
Posted by: illiniwek at July 26, 2021 11:09 AM (Cus5s)
That's how I learned it, but not everyone was teaching it that way. I think breaking it down into separate components makes a lot of sense. I can see what that lady was attempting to do - but it's making it more convoluted and fussy than it needs to be. The beauty of Mmm... The beauty of Mmaa... the M word is there's many ways to approach the problem and get the correct answer. Our brains are all wired differently, so a good teacher should be able to find a method that makes sense. I had one instructor that was just excited by numbers, and he'd spend an entire class showing us methods to solve a problem, then challenge us to figure out a way ourselves. THAT is what a good instructor does.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at July 26, 2021 11:15 AM (wAnMi)
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....AND I read the content.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 26, 2021 11:15 AM (Zz0t1)
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You either have the specific talent to teach or you
don't. ---------------------- Very true. Most don't. There is a reason
why we remember only a few teachers in life. When you meet a great
teacher, it is awesome.
Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 26, 2021 11:05 AM (sX1BW)
very true. We all have experienced that I hope.
don't. ---------------------- Very true. Most don't. There is a reason
why we remember only a few teachers in life. When you meet a great
teacher, it is awesome.
Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 26, 2021 11:05 AM (sX1BW)
very true. We all have experienced that I hope.
Posted by: Quint at July 26, 2021 11:15 AM (F2/Ok)
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Every sufficiently complex system that can be stated formally , arithmetic is one such, if it is consistent it must be incomplete and if it is complete it must be inconsistent. So set theory either cannot contain all provable arithmetic statements or if it does it must form paradoxes.
Posted by: banana Dream at July 26, 2021 11:13 AM (W0eia)
Thank you Mr. Godel.
Posted by: banana Dream at July 26, 2021 11:13 AM (W0eia)
Thank you Mr. Godel.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 26, 2021 11:16 AM (NN39P)
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That common core math shit is exactly that. Shit.
I don't know why they decided that they needed to slow AND dumb down math. Either you get it or you don't. Most kids, through GENERATIONS were able to pass, at least, high school doing math the 'right' way.
This is just idiocy.
I don't know why they decided that they needed to slow AND dumb down math. Either you get it or you don't. Most kids, through GENERATIONS were able to pass, at least, high school doing math the 'right' way.
This is just idiocy.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 26, 2021 11:16 AM (Zz0t1)
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Common Core is the Rube Goldberg of maths.
Posted by: Count de Monet, Free Agent (4I/2K) at July 26, 2021 11:10 AM (4I/2K)
LOL, except at least with Rube's contraptions, the egg *did* go into the frying pan, instead of killing the parrot.
Posted by: Count de Monet, Free Agent (4I/2K) at July 26, 2021 11:10 AM (4I/2K)
LOL, except at least with Rube's contraptions, the egg *did* go into the frying pan, instead of killing the parrot.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at July 26, 2021 11:17 AM (wAnMi)
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What Comes Next? - a consequential limerick
There once was a lad named McGrath
Who went down an academic path
The calculations weren't that hard
But he came out battle-scarred
And now he's dealing with the aftermath!
There once was a lad named McGrath
Who went down an academic path
The calculations weren't that hard
But he came out battle-scarred
And now he's dealing with the aftermath!
Posted by: Muldoon at July 26, 2021 11:17 AM (Xwt96)
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Algebra and trig were fine - I actually enjoyed them - but geometry flummoxed me and still does to varying degrees.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 11:07 AM (3p5uk)
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I find that a bit odd, though I can somewhat understand it as well. For me, the key to understanding trig was the "Unit Circle." Once I understood how it worked in conjunction with algebra and geometry (especially the latter), a whole lot of stuff suddenly made sense. I find that mathematics often has a "key concept" that--once grasped--makes understanding so much easier.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 26, 2021 11:07 AM (3p5uk)
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I find that a bit odd, though I can somewhat understand it as well. For me, the key to understanding trig was the "Unit Circle." Once I understood how it worked in conjunction with algebra and geometry (especially the latter), a whole lot of stuff suddenly made sense. I find that mathematics often has a "key concept" that--once grasped--makes understanding so much easier.
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at July 26, 2021 11:18 AM (K5n5d)
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I had one instructor that was just excited by numbers, and he'd spend an entire class showing us methods to solve a problem, then challenge us to figure out a way ourselves. THAT is what a good instructor does.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at July 26, 2021 11:15 AM (wAnMi)
The best teachers are those who are: 1. excited about their subject and 2. able to communicate that excitement to their students.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at July 26, 2021 11:15 AM (wAnMi)
The best teachers are those who are: 1. excited about their subject and 2. able to communicate that excitement to their students.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 26, 2021 11:18 AM (NN39P)
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>Posted by: banana Dream at July 26, 2021 11:13 AM (W0eia)
I'm familiar with Godel's Incompleteness Theorem.
But it's good enough to cover all of the parts of math that we use, I'm sure.
I'm familiar with Godel's Incompleteness Theorem.
But it's good enough to cover all of the parts of math that we use, I'm sure.Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 26, 2021 11:19 AM (DXFDM)
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Fred MacMurray
Posted by: IrishEi at July 26, 2021 11:03 AM (9GRhC)
Speaking of Red MacMurray...
I've been watching some early screwball comedies on The Criterion Channel and Prime.
And Fred MacMurray is all over those early SBCs as the romantic lead.
He. Ackshewalllee. Was. A. Big. Hollywood. Thing. At. One. Time.
Which I never knew. I thought he was some 3rd tier slub who lucked into a TV sitcom at the twilight of his acting career.
Will wonders never cease.
Posted by: IrishEi at July 26, 2021 11:03 AM (9GRhC)
Speaking of Red MacMurray...
I've been watching some early screwball comedies on The Criterion Channel and Prime.
And Fred MacMurray is all over those early SBCs as the romantic lead.
He. Ackshewalllee. Was. A. Big. Hollywood. Thing. At. One. Time.
Which I never knew. I thought he was some 3rd tier slub who lucked into a TV sitcom at the twilight of his acting career.
Will wonders never cease.
Posted by: naturalfake at July 26, 2021 11:19 AM (EERbD)
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You either have the specific talent to teach or you
don't.
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Like most skills, I think most people can learn how to teach to a certain level of competency without too much trouble. Also like most skills, there are some people who are truly exceptional. Not everyone can be a great teacher, but most people can at least become "good enough" through training and practice.
don't.
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Like most skills, I think most people can learn how to teach to a certain level of competency without too much trouble. Also like most skills, there are some people who are truly exceptional. Not everyone can be a great teacher, but most people can at least become "good enough" through training and practice.
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at July 26, 2021 11:20 AM (K5n5d)
Posted by: naturalfake at July 26, 2021 11:20 AM (EERbD)
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Human minds are good at keeping about 3 separate things at one time in active conscious memory. I know some are better but my brain is to the way low end so 3 is the limit for me. The methods you use if their pencil based can be complex but for checking in you head you shouldn't ever juggle more than three things, two is better. This is complicated by a single number being potentially infinitely complex/unique. So there's a limit to the types of numbers too.
Posted by: banana Dream at July 26, 2021 11:22 AM (W0eia)
Posted by: Quint at July 26, 2021 11:23 AM (F2/Ok)
Posted by: Muldoon at July 26, 2021 11:25 AM (Xwt96)
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A pie will heal your soul.
A cobbler will resole your heel.
Posted by: Muldoon at July 26, 2021 11:25 AM (Xwt96)
That's some profound shit, right there.
A cobbler will resole your heel.
Posted by: Muldoon at July 26, 2021 11:25 AM (Xwt96)
That's some profound shit, right there.
Posted by: BignJames at July 26, 2021 11:26 AM (AwYPR)
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>>> I'm familiar with Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. But it's good enough to cover all of the parts of math that we use, I'm sure.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 26, 2021 11:19 AM (DXFDM)
I think it beaks down pretty quickly for prime number theory as a subset of arithmetic. A lot of discrete math breaks formal systems if I remember correctly.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at July 26, 2021 11:19 AM (DXFDM)
I think it beaks down pretty quickly for prime number theory as a subset of arithmetic. A lot of discrete math breaks formal systems if I remember correctly.
Posted by: banana Dream at July 26, 2021 11:27 AM (W0eia)
374
What Comes Next? - a consequential limerick
There once was a lad named McGrath
Who went down an academic path
The calculations weren't that hard
But he came out battle-scarred
And now he's dealing with the aftermath!
Posted by: Muldoon at July 26, 2021 11:17 AM (Xwt96)
I used to watch aftermath.
It came on just before Trapper John MD.
There once was a lad named McGrath
Who went down an academic path
The calculations weren't that hard
But he came out battle-scarred
And now he's dealing with the aftermath!
Posted by: Muldoon at July 26, 2021 11:17 AM (Xwt96)
I used to watch aftermath.
It came on just before Trapper John MD.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at July 26, 2021 11:27 AM (XvPQV)
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Human minds are good at keeping about 3 separate things at one time in active conscious memory.
*****
One element of a screening cognitive function test (bedside psych eval) is to say, "I'm going to give you three items to remember and in a few minutes I will ask you what the three items are. Pencil. Ball. Airplane."
Three minutes later, "What were the three items I asked you to remember?"
Joe Biden: "Ice cream, Corn Pop, and um...Ice cream."
*****
One element of a screening cognitive function test (bedside psych eval) is to say, "I'm going to give you three items to remember and in a few minutes I will ask you what the three items are. Pencil. Ball. Airplane."
Three minutes later, "What were the three items I asked you to remember?"
Joe Biden: "Ice cream, Corn Pop, and um...Ice cream."
Posted by: Muldoon at July 26, 2021 11:29 AM (Xwt96)
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New Math was not technically wrong. It did force someone to look at numbers differently which can be advantageous at times.
That said it should've been taught in High School advanced math courses not in grade school as it was.
It just confused new learners who did not have algebra or long experience with regular math.
Everyday math requires that you learn tables. This was poo pooed by the education majors as being to old school and restrictive. But that was because it was useful and built confidence in students. Now many of them either cry cause they're not getting it or just give up and go shoot up some place out of general frustration.
I was an assistant math teacher in my senior year for some 7th graders. I decide two things after that; 1; not gonna be a teacher 2: New Math was not meant to teach but confuse and to cripple.
Oh and 3; not to trust "experts" anymore.
That said it should've been taught in High School advanced math courses not in grade school as it was.
It just confused new learners who did not have algebra or long experience with regular math.
Everyday math requires that you learn tables. This was poo pooed by the education majors as being to old school and restrictive. But that was because it was useful and built confidence in students. Now many of them either cry cause they're not getting it or just give up and go shoot up some place out of general frustration.
I was an assistant math teacher in my senior year for some 7th graders. I decide two things after that; 1; not gonna be a teacher 2: New Math was not meant to teach but confuse and to cripple.
Oh and 3; not to trust "experts" anymore.
Posted by: jakee308 at July 26, 2021 11:29 AM (wb4G5)
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Then along came something called a 'calculator'. I remember when they were rather pricey at around maybe a hundred dollars or so. Now charitable organizations send the out free, hoping you will send them money.
Posted by: Colin at July 26, 2021 11:31 AM (UF8gN)
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377 Then along came something called a 'calculator'. I remember when they were rather pricey at around maybe a hundred dollars or so. Now charitable organizations send the out free, hoping you will send them money.
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Yep. I paid $125 for a Hewlitt Packard for Stats class. Now you can pick that up for around $20.
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Yep. I paid $125 for a Hewlitt Packard for Stats class. Now you can pick that up for around $20.
Posted by: Puddin Head at July 26, 2021 11:31 AM (/MaDp)
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I think math is more about technique. But you have to memorize the guzintuz first. The same for mulliplicatin tables.
Posted by: Justsayin' at July 26, 2021 11:35 AM (Fs5vw)
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With pencil and paper it used to be when I saw a basic math problem I just rote the answer.
Posted by: Muldoon at July 26, 2021 10:59 AM
B- Show your work.
Posted by: Muldoon at July 26, 2021 10:59 AM
B- Show your work.
Posted by: Muldoon's teacher at July 26, 2021 11:36 AM (a3Q+t)
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Another way to solve 12 X 35 is to see that it is halfway between 12 X 30 and 12 X 40 (both easily done in your head. Then it's straightforward to determine the midway point between 360 and 480. This same approach enables ballpark estimates of multi-digit multiplications such as 12445 X 35123
Posted by: Muldoon at July 26, 2021 11:37 AM (Xwt96)
Posted by: Muldoon at July 26, 2021 11:38 AM (Xwt96)
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Tom Lehrer, an actual professor of mathematics, did satirical tune called "New Math" when that was all the rage in the '60s. In his introduction to the tune, he cracked wise that the most important thing in the New Math was to understand what you're doing, "rather than to get the right answer."
Posted by: Introverted Elephocentric Hypochondriac at July 26, 2021 11:39 AM (rw/ga)
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Let he, she, or xe who is without sin flunk trig.
Posted by: Muldoon's teacher at July 26, 2021 11:39 AM (a3Q+t)
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I'm going to say this as gently as I can: You're embarrassingly wrong on the math stuff. Sorry, but you are. That's why you get pushback. Stick to Musing.
Posted by: Richard Cahoon at July 26, 2021 11:39 AM (ucrac)
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I'm going to say this as gently as I can: You're embarrassingly wrong on the math stuff. Sorry, but you are. That's why you get pushback. Stick to Musing.
Posted by: Richard Cahoon at July 26, 2021 11:39 AM (ucrac)
I didn't see much if any pushback. How's your reading comprehension?
Posted by: Richard Cahoon at July 26, 2021 11:39 AM (ucrac)
I didn't see much if any pushback. How's your reading comprehension?
Posted by: BignJames at July 26, 2021 11:50 AM (AwYPR)
Posted by: JT at July 26, 2021 12:02 PM (arJlL)
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Common Core is Liberal Arts majors trying to teach math to scientists. I'll explain.
People 'get' math at different times. When I was in high school, I didn't get it. Now I have an engineering degree and a minor in math. One day it clicked.
The people selling common core gave up on 'getting' math and never realized that they hit that point of understanding. Instead, when someone showed them, after years of liberal arts classes, common core the attributed 'getting it' finally to this new way of math Common Core.
My son get math early. He got graded down if he did math the right way.
Then...not to be to whacko...the same publishing house selling common core books to every schoolhouse in the nation also gave a $50M advance to Obama for a book he hasn't written yet.
People 'get' math at different times. When I was in high school, I didn't get it. Now I have an engineering degree and a minor in math. One day it clicked.
The people selling common core gave up on 'getting' math and never realized that they hit that point of understanding. Instead, when someone showed them, after years of liberal arts classes, common core the attributed 'getting it' finally to this new way of math Common Core.
My son get math early. He got graded down if he did math the right way.
Then...not to be to whacko...the same publishing house selling common core books to every schoolhouse in the nation also gave a $50M advance to Obama for a book he hasn't written yet.
Posted by: thesgm at July 26, 2021 12:04 PM (rVZv7)
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She's just doing it via the FOIL method. Not necessarily efficient, but sure wish she explained why it worked. But then again, the way we grew up w/ was never really explained why it worked in those grades either.
FOIL:
(ab x cd) = (10a+b)x(10c+d) = 100ac + 10ad + 10bc + bd
Personally, for her question, I'd have gone 35x10 + 35x2 = 350 + 70 = 420. Easy enough to do in your head. At least for anyone who grew up with nickels.
FOIL:
(ab x cd) = (10a+b)x(10c+d) = 100ac + 10ad + 10bc + bd
Personally, for her question, I'd have gone 35x10 + 35x2 = 350 + 70 = 420. Easy enough to do in your head. At least for anyone who grew up with nickels.
Posted by: Eric at July 26, 2021 12:06 PM (inZQT)
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Personally, for her question, I'd have gone 35x10 + 35x2 = 350 + 70 = 420. Easy enough to do in your head. At least for anyone who grew up with nickels.
Posted by: Eric at July 26, 2021 12:06 PM (inZQT)
That's the positional algorithm, except you have to carry around the 0 on the paper instead of writing the result one column over.
Posted by: Eric at July 26, 2021 12:06 PM (inZQT)
That's the positional algorithm, except you have to carry around the 0 on the paper instead of writing the result one column over.
Posted by: Oldcat at July 26, 2021 12:19 PM (eoQWY)
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The math video was painful to watch. Imagine what it is like for a kid.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 26, 2021 12:23 PM (AytXr)
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My kid was having math trouble a couple years ago. I showed him the Neanderthal way to do it.
The teacher said it was wrong, and that he shouldn't ask me because I didn't know the new way.
I have a minor in math.
The teacher said it was wrong, and that he shouldn't ask me because I didn't know the new way.
I have a minor in math.
Posted by: JB at July 26, 2021 12:37 PM (TO8Xm)
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I've seen a bunch of Common Core math videos and I completely understand what they are doing. They are teaching the tricks that people that can do math in their heads use when they calculate out problems: counting lines, simplified calculations, etc. etc.
The problem, as I see it, is that they are teaching the tricks without showing the rote way first. The rote method (e.g. the right side of that video) is one that can always work, while the tricks are just tricks.
The Japanese lines calculation method is probably the best of the tricks I've see. https://youtu.be/gngvWShRgX4
The problem, as I see it, is that they are teaching the tricks without showing the rote way first. The rote method (e.g. the right side of that video) is one that can always work, while the tricks are just tricks.
The Japanese lines calculation method is probably the best of the tricks I've see. https://youtu.be/gngvWShRgX4
Posted by: FarkinClownshoes at July 26, 2021 12:39 PM (8IEBP)
394
That math is like the type in China and Japan
Posted by: Kurt at July 26, 2021 12:45 PM (zVirO)
395
394 That math is like the type in China and Japan
Posted by: Kurt at July 26, 2021 12:45 PM (zVirO)
No it isn't.
Posted by: Kurt at July 26, 2021 12:45 PM (zVirO)
No it isn't.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 26, 2021 12:47 PM (NN39P)
396
"I'm convinced that the "new math" was just a bunch of math teachers trying to introduce advanced math concepts to grade-schoolers because they were bored and wanted to teach something else other than "readin', writin', and 'rithmetic.""
Pretty much.
And a lot of the "common core" stuff is trying to teach a bunch of "tricks" that are used to work faster with large numbers and numbers of numbers. Things like pairing up numbers to make 10s then adding the remained. My father taught me that trick when I was 6, but I never appreciated it until I was in high school and could finish 3-5 digit decimal multiplication while others were still tapping the equation into their calculators.
When I was helping some students brush up for 8th grade finals and I saw things like that video and "number lines" and such, and it was all attempts at teaching speed tricks and complexity cheats first, rather than dull, boring, rote memorization of addition and multiplication tables. Which might be nice in theory, but it absolutely does not teach any of the pretentious "understanding of numbers" drivel they spew.
Pretty much.
And a lot of the "common core" stuff is trying to teach a bunch of "tricks" that are used to work faster with large numbers and numbers of numbers. Things like pairing up numbers to make 10s then adding the remained. My father taught me that trick when I was 6, but I never appreciated it until I was in high school and could finish 3-5 digit decimal multiplication while others were still tapping the equation into their calculators.
When I was helping some students brush up for 8th grade finals and I saw things like that video and "number lines" and such, and it was all attempts at teaching speed tricks and complexity cheats first, rather than dull, boring, rote memorization of addition and multiplication tables. Which might be nice in theory, but it absolutely does not teach any of the pretentious "understanding of numbers" drivel they spew.
Posted by: Sam at July 26, 2021 12:48 PM (ohyxL)
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I'm not totally against common core, but this box is stupid, not providing any understanding. It is still rote, only this time a much slower method.
The key is understanding the distributive property, so 30x12 is 30x10 + 30x2, or 5x12 is 5x10 + 5x2
which can be expanded to 35x12 = 30x12 + 5x12
which is the same as the quick method(or 35x10+35x2).
The key is understanding the distributive property, so 30x12 is 30x10 + 30x2, or 5x12 is 5x10 + 5x2
which can be expanded to 35x12 = 30x12 + 5x12
which is the same as the quick method(or 35x10+35x2).
Posted by: MikeN at July 26, 2021 01:00 PM (5mbb9)
398
68848 X 9273
I saw an ad for an afterschool math program, and it included a question like this, implying kids would be able to do that in their head. I remember specifically it was a 5 digit times a 4 digit number. I tried to see quick tricks and didn't, while in this case I might try 70000-1153 x 10000-727 and could maybe do it in my head.
Then I guessed what they were going for is what I think is called the lattice method.
Imagine the same box diagram but larger, and you can add along the NE-SW diagonals.
I would show it but the system is rejecting it as spam.
68848 X 9273
I saw an ad for an afterschool math program, and it included a question like this, implying kids would be able to do that in their head. I remember specifically it was a 5 digit times a 4 digit number. I tried to see quick tricks and didn't, while in this case I might try 70000-1153 x 10000-727 and could maybe do it in my head.
Then I guessed what they were going for is what I think is called the lattice method.
Imagine the same box diagram but larger, and you can add along the NE-SW diagonals.
I would show it but the system is rejecting it as spam.
Posted by: MikeN at July 26, 2021 01:01 PM (5mbb9)
399
My method for 68848 X 9273
6x9 = 54 6x2+8x9= 84 6x7+8x2+8x9=130 6x3+8x7+8x2+4x9=126 8x3+8x7+4x2+8x9=160
8x3+4x7+2x8=68 4x3+8x7=68 8x3=24
54 0000000
+ 84 000000
+130 00000
+ 126 0000
+ 160 000
+ 68 00
+ 680
+ 24
I think someone with good memory or ability to visualize can do this in their head.
My method for 68848 X 9273
6x9 = 54 6x2+8x9= 84 6x7+8x2+8x9=130 6x3+8x7+8x2+4x9=126 8x3+8x7+4x2+8x9=160
8x3+4x7+2x8=68 4x3+8x7=68 8x3=24
54 0000000
+ 84 000000
+130 00000
+ 126 0000
+ 160 000
+ 68 00
+ 680
+ 24
I think someone with good memory or ability to visualize can do this in their head.
Posted by: MikeN at July 26, 2021 01:01 PM (5mbb9)
400
35 x 12 =: 35 x 10 = 350 plus 35 x 2 = 70 . 350 = 70 equals 420. Took me all of 2 seconds, done in my head.
And...I can't tell you how many people I know who cannot do proportions, even if they write the problem down.
Example: if cooking one cup of rice requires 1 1/2 cups of water, how much water does a 3/4 cup of rice require?
That means they can't scale recipes up or down. So they cook something for two that could feed the Chinese Army.
Pathetic.
And...I can't tell you how many people I know who cannot do proportions, even if they write the problem down.
Example: if cooking one cup of rice requires 1 1/2 cups of water, how much water does a 3/4 cup of rice require?
That means they can't scale recipes up or down. So they cook something for two that could feed the Chinese Army.
Pathetic.
Posted by: Noam Sayen at July 26, 2021 01:11 PM (fPFtn)
401
What "exactly" is a post that "looks like spam"?
Posted by: Noam Sayen at July 26, 2021 01:13 PM (fPFtn)
402
If one is going to end up adding a bunch of numbers after building the silly box, why not simply forget the box and add 35 twelve times?
Posted by: Dan at July 26, 2021 01:21 PM (+NG5U)
403
12 times 35 35+35+35+35+35+35+35+35+35+35+35+35
Posted by: Dan at July 26, 2021 01:24 PM (+NG5U)
404
401 What "exactly" is a post that "looks like spam"?
Posted by: Noam Sayen at July 26, 2021 01:13 PM (fPFtn)
I don't know, but we've been fighting with pixy about it for the past 6 months.
Posted by: Noam Sayen at July 26, 2021 01:13 PM (fPFtn)
I don't know, but we've been fighting with pixy about it for the past 6 months.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 26, 2021 01:50 PM (NN39P)
405
A What If:
70 years ago teacher x taught student y badly.
Then student y became teacher x+1, with even less ability than teacher x, and taught student y+1. Scale this up over an national entire public school system and multiple generations of teachers that are less and less skilled...
Calculus to the rescue: the limit of student outcomes from smart teachers to dumb teachers is WOKE. Or, in practical terms, every major city in the America in 2020 was set on fire.
70 years ago teacher x taught student y badly.
Then student y became teacher x+1, with even less ability than teacher x, and taught student y+1. Scale this up over an national entire public school system and multiple generations of teachers that are less and less skilled...
Calculus to the rescue: the limit of student outcomes from smart teachers to dumb teachers is WOKE. Or, in practical terms, every major city in the America in 2020 was set on fire.
Posted by: LostInSpace at July 26, 2021 02:01 PM (ESLBo)
406
401 What "exactly" is a post that "looks like spam"?
404 I don't know, but we've been fighting with pixy about it for the past 6 months.
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I bang into this with regularity. Empirically, I think the spam trap is triggered when a comment exceeds a certain number of characters. Not an unreasonable design. if my assumption is correct an error message that is more equitable and inclusive would be welcome.
Also, certain characters (extended ascii ones I think) cause chaos such as quotes. Not sure if auto replacing the offenders on the fly is a thang here though.
404 I don't know, but we've been fighting with pixy about it for the past 6 months.
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I bang into this with regularity. Empirically, I think the spam trap is triggered when a comment exceeds a certain number of characters. Not an unreasonable design. if my assumption is correct an error message that is more equitable and inclusive would be welcome.
Also, certain characters (extended ascii ones I think) cause chaos such as quotes. Not sure if auto replacing the offenders on the fly is a thang here though.
Posted by: LostInSpace at July 26, 2021 02:12 PM (ESLBo)
407
The "counting the zeros and attaching them to the answer" is a dead give away that a pupil won't learn shit.
This is dumbing down a curriculum because the instructors themselves are dumb as rotting fence posts, lack a basic understanding of math, and are not the least bit equipped to teach anything.
Fire them all, especially the most ardent proponents.
The "counting the zeros and attaching them to the answer" is a dead give away that a pupil won't learn shit.
This is dumbing down a curriculum because the instructors themselves are dumb as rotting fence posts, lack a basic understanding of math, and are not the least bit equipped to teach anything.
Fire them all, especially the most ardent proponents.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 26, 2021 02:19 PM (5I436)
408
I DARE anyone to be the first to cross a bridge, get on an airplane or take a prescription designed or produced by someone who can only do math in this fashion.
I f'ing DARE you.
I also ask: would you trust your tax returns to someone who can only do math this way?
I f'ing DARE you.
I also ask: would you trust your tax returns to someone who can only do math this way?
Posted by: Matt Noto at July 26, 2021 03:35 PM (ZaYq5)
409
So is it a coincidence the teacher was doing a math problem that resulted in 420? Or is that just her sly way or admitting the truth, without admitting the truth.
Posted by: DFCtomm at July 26, 2021 04:44 PM (50gG9)
410
What "exactly" is a post that "looks like spam"?
If you combine my posts 397-399 or 398 and 399, the system rejects it.
If you combine my posts 397-399 or 398 and 399, the system rejects it.
Posted by: MikeN at July 26, 2021 04:54 PM (5mbb9)
411
410 What "exactly" is a post that "looks like spam"?
If you combine my posts 397-399 or 398 and 399, the system rejects it.
Posted by: MikeN at July 26, 2021 04:54 PM (5mbb9)
Look at comment #320. The only reason it's there is because I posted about half of it, then used my cob superpowers to add the rest in the editor.
It is 304 characters in length. I think there are criteria other than length. Perhaps line length is one. We don't know and pixy hasn't told us.
If you combine my posts 397-399 or 398 and 399, the system rejects it.
Posted by: MikeN at July 26, 2021 04:54 PM (5mbb9)
Look at comment #320. The only reason it's there is because I posted about half of it, then used my cob superpowers to add the rest in the editor.
It is 304 characters in length. I think there are criteria other than length. Perhaps line length is one. We don't know and pixy hasn't told us.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Social Distancing Professional at July 26, 2021 05:39 PM (rjaGK)
412
Respectfully disagree. Try multiplying 35 x 12 in your head. The easiest was is,in fact, to break it up. 10x30, 10x5, 2x30, 2x5, 420. Try doing that in your head with carrying and long multiplication.
Oh and before you crap all over me about how stupid I am, degree in Aerospace Engineering and currently a high school math teacher because I found engineering boring.
Oh and before you crap all over me about how stupid I am, degree in Aerospace Engineering and currently a high school math teacher because I found engineering boring.
Posted by: Heresolong at July 26, 2021 05:48 PM (spsWF)
413
PS "Why this would be better is something I never heard them explain. "
Lack of context. They didn't explain the one on the right either. The left method us called an area model and it is extensively explained before you use it for multiplication. Its even more useful for algebraic expressions where long division is marginal at best.
Lack of context. They didn't explain the one on the right either. The left method us called an area model and it is extensively explained before you use it for multiplication. Its even more useful for algebraic expressions where long division is marginal at best.
Posted by: Heresolong at July 26, 2021 05:51 PM (spsWF)
414
Speed IS the point. So is accuracy. Further proof that wokesters like in an alternate reality.
Posted by: FatAlbert at July 27, 2021 02:02 AM (KWbVO)
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