Mid-Morning Art Thread

Raphael Solomon.jpg

The Judgement Of Solomon
Raffaello Sanzio da Urbino

Posted by: CBD at 09:30 AM




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1 We must protect our children from this display of violence.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 20, 2021 08:31 AM (LvTSG)

2 Is this some sort of interpretive dance?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 20, 2021 08:31 AM (O7b05)

3 I thought it was the wisdom of Soloman.

Posted by: BignJames at July 20, 2021 08:32 AM (AwYPR)

4 Split the baby and theres more to go around!

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 20, 2021 08:32 AM (yrol0)

5 A shakespearian in the park production of Julius Caesar?

Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 20, 2021 08:32 AM (sX1BW)

6
Planned Parenthood needs the parts.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 20, 2021 08:32 AM (Nu1gd)

7 Wait. There are 2 children being disputed? I thought the story was that there was 1 child and 1 mothers, and Solomon said, "Very well, chop the child in two and give half to each." And the real mother was willing to give the child up rather than let it be killed.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 08:32 AM (/XOcP)

8 Where are their shoes?

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 20, 2021 08:33 AM (U2p+3)

9 Those are some fat babies.

Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 20, 2021 08:33 AM (sX1BW)

10 The kid on the ground looks rather like a doll. Or is it already dead?

Mom to the left has nice hind paws, btw.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 08:34 AM (/XOcP)

11 7 Wait. There are 2 children being disputed? I thought the story was that there was 1 child and 1 mothers, and Solomon said, "Very well, chop the child in two and give half to each." And the real mother was willing to give the child up rather than let it be killed.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 08:32 AM (/XOcP)

The other child is already dead. One mother rolled over and smothered her child in her sleep and is trying to screw over the other mother.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 20, 2021 08:34 AM (z5Vrg)

12 Why is that building only like 8 feet wide?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 20, 2021 08:34 AM (O7b05)

13 Cut. Jib. Newsletter.

Posted by: Lorena Bobbitt at July 20, 2021 08:34 AM (Coy3D)

14 Looking at that picture reminds me that, for vast stretches of human history, the majority of people were either drunk, high or suffering from the effects of food poisoning.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 20, 2021 08:34 AM (mu7kg)

15 Here comes the judge! Here comes the judge!

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2021 08:34 AM (FONQx)

16 Wait. There are 2 children being disputed? I thought the story was that there was 1 child and 1 mothers, . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021


***
Correction: 1 child, 2 mothers.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 08:34 AM (/XOcP)

17 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 20, 2021 08:35 AM (Zz0t1)

18
Bearded guys on the right are waiting for the veal.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 20, 2021 08:35 AM (Nu1gd)

19 We've got the wisdom of Solomon. We split babies all the time.

Posted by: Planned Parenthood at July 20, 2021 08:35 AM (d9FiS)

20 We must protect our children from this display of violence.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison


Violence? Looks like a musical.

Cue dramatic music!

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2021 08:35 AM (MZVOx)

21 Early renderings of your local Planned Parenthood office.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 20, 2021 08:35 AM (Zz0t1)

22 Why is that building only like 8 feet wide?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 20, 2021


***
It's like Apollo's temple in that ST episode.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 08:35 AM (/XOcP)

23
I'll have a half baby and a half order of fries, please!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 20, 2021 08:35 AM (pNxlR)

24 And it's nice to know that even back then, killing babies was an appropriate response to an adult's problem.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 20, 2021 08:35 AM (U2p+3)

25 Looking at the baby about to be halved...

Did Solomon have a throat whistle?*


*Obscure horror western reference

Posted by: naturalfake at July 20, 2021 08:36 AM (5NkmN)

26 7 Wait. There are 2 children being disputed? I thought the story was that there was 1 child and 1 mothers, and Solomon said, "Very well, chop the child in two and give half to each." And the real mother was willing to give the child up rather than let it be killed.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 08:32 AM (/XOcP)

The one of the ground is the dead baby.

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 20, 2021 08:36 AM (yrol0)

27 18
Bearded guys on the right are waiting for the veal.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 20, 2021 08:35 AM (Nu1gd)

Solomon's here all week.

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2021 08:36 AM (FONQx)

28 "THE STEM CELLS! WE NEED THE STEM CELLS!!!!"

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 20, 2021 08:36 AM (Zz0t1)

29
The Huck You Say - a limerick

In the eighth year of Solomon's reign
People thought that the King was insane
He said, "I don't want a lawyer,
Someone go get Tom, the sawyer
I want to cleave this baby in Twain!"

Posted by: Muldoon at July 20, 2021 08:36 AM (Xwt96)

30 Looks like mixed review on Solomons's decision from the elder councilors.

Posted by: The Guy at July 20, 2021 08:36 AM (PUxa5)

31 This is a great painting. I don't think I want it in my house, as I don't really have a good place for it. But I might be willing to find a place for it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 20, 2021 08:36 AM (3p5uk)

32 @12

>>Why is that building only like 8 feet wide?

They used the same set builder as they used in Spinal Tap?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 20, 2021 08:36 AM (mu7kg)

33
Lady pointing is callipygic.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 20, 2021 08:36 AM (Nu1gd)

34 30 Looks like mixed review on Solomons's decision from the elder councilors.
Posted by: The Guy at July 20, 2021 08:36 AM (PUxa5)

I always knew his brother would've been a better king.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 20, 2021 08:37 AM (z5Vrg)

35 Is it just me, or does that baby look *huge?*

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 20, 2021 08:37 AM (3p5uk)

36 It seems Fred Flintstone feet were a big player in ancient times.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 20, 2021 08:37 AM (Zz0t1)

37 "Very well, chop the child in two and give half to each."

Got it.

1 case
2 cases of Covid

Posted by: The CDC at July 20, 2021 08:37 AM (pbStR)

38 Why is that building only like 8 feet wide?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 20, 2021 08:34 AM (O7b05)

It's the portable model.

Posted by: BignJames at July 20, 2021 08:37 AM (AwYPR)

39 They had babies working out at Planet Fitness back in the day.

Posted by: dantesed at July 20, 2021 08:37 AM (88xKn)

40 Soloman - The Musical

"Stop right there!"
"I cannot!"
"You must!"
"I shan't!"

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2021 08:37 AM (MZVOx)

41
*sings*

You're splitting' my baby!
What a lovely way
To say you're the smartest guy in town!
...

Posted by: Zombie Paul Anka at July 20, 2021 08:38 AM (5NkmN)

42 And it's nice to know that even back then, killing babies was an appropriate response to an adult's problem.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 20, 2021


***
The ancient Greeks resorted to "exposing" unwanted children, leaving them out on a hillside to die. See the story of Oedipus. The Romans probably did too. I don't know about in Solomon's time, but I suppose that if a child were obviously deformed or unlikely to live, they'd have done that as well.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 08:38 AM (/XOcP)

43 "Very well, chop the child in two and give half to each."


Longways or across?

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2021 08:38 AM (MZVOx)

44
Just Call Sol.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 20, 2021 08:38 AM (Nu1gd)

45 Soloman - The Musical

"Stop right there!"
"I cannot!"
"You must!"
"I shan't!"
Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2021 08:37 AM (MZVOx)


I shat!

Posted by: Hillary! at July 20, 2021 08:39 AM (Zz0t1)

46 Split the baby and theres more to go around!

Lamborghinis don't pay for themselves!

Posted by: Planned Parenthood at July 20, 2021 08:39 AM (pbStR)

47 It's sexual and violent...

Would Hang.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 20, 2021 08:39 AM (cljid)

48 Posted by: Muldoon at July 20, 2021 08:36 AM (Xwt96)

Nicely done!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 20, 2021 08:39 AM (Q9lwr)

49 Alternate title could have been "The Bris"

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2021 08:39 AM (FONQx)

50 Lady pointing is callipygic.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 20, 2021


***
The Kim Kardashian of ancient Palestine.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 08:39 AM (/XOcP)

51 Solomon should leave it to the experts.

Posted by: Planned Parenthood at July 20, 2021 08:39 AM (XfhKA)

52 Why is there 2 babies? And the baby getting chopped is ripped.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 20, 2021 08:39 AM (Y5qcH)

53 King Soloman knew things about women.

Posted by: Count de Monet, Free Agent (4I/2K) at July 20, 2021 08:39 AM (4I/2K)

54 Baby down! Baby down!!

Posted by: Weasel at July 20, 2021 08:39 AM (MVjcR)

55 This painting is awful white.

Posted by: f'd at July 20, 2021 08:40 AM (XfhKA)

56 Is it just me, or does that baby look *huge?*
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 20, 2021


***
The one on the left does look more like he's 18 months old.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 08:40 AM (/XOcP)

57 Don't cut the muscular baby in half; do the boneless one.

Some judgment.

Posted by: red speck at July 20, 2021 08:40 AM (gS3OW)

58
The Kim Kardashian of ancient Palestine.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

__________

The Armenian slut is steatopygic.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 20, 2021 08:40 AM (Nu1gd)

59 53 King Soloman knew things about women.
Posted by: Count de Monet, Free Agent (4I/2K) at July 20, 2021 08:39 AM (4I/2K)


And Jewish mothers at that.

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2021 08:40 AM (FONQx)

60 Wow. There is a heavy Michelangelo influence here.

Posted by: Kris at July 20, 2021 08:40 AM (OyyDO)

61 Alternate title could have been "The Bris"
Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2021 08:39 AM (FONQx)

-ket?

Posted by: Count de Monet, Free Agent (4I/2K) at July 20, 2021 08:41 AM (4I/2K)

62 61 Alternate title could have been "The Bris"
Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2021 08:39 AM (FONQx)

-ket?
Posted by: Count de Monet, Free Agent (4I/2K) at July 20, 2021 08:41 AM (4I/2K)

They are pretty well plumped out.

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2021 08:41 AM (FONQx)

63 The baby is a racist

Posted by: SMOD at July 20, 2021 08:42 AM (RHGPo)

64 Solomon's thought bubble: "Hmmm. That's not our regular mohel..."

Posted by: Muldoon at July 20, 2021 08:42 AM (Xwt96)

65 What time is the barbecue?

Posted by: Jon Swift at July 20, 2021 08:42 AM (XfhKA)

66 Alternate title could have been "The Bris"
Posted by: Roy


Rub this wallet and it turns into carry on!

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2021 08:42 AM (MZVOx)

67 Weren't these two women suppose to be prostitutes? Who's the baby daddy?

Posted by: redridinghood at July 20, 2021 08:42 AM (NpAcC)

68 Hey theres a book about this:

The Split (Kelly Turnbull Book 6)

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 20, 2021 08:42 AM (yrol0)

69 The Kim Kardashian of ancient Palestine.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
_________

The Armenian slut is steatopygic.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 20, 2021


***
All a matter of taste, bro.

Posted by: Sir Mix-a-Lot at July 20, 2021 08:43 AM (/XOcP)

70 Michelangelo...didn't he make a beer popular with all colors and women?

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 20, 2021 08:43 AM (H3kOD)

71 Open toed shoes, Solomon was a damn hippie!

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 20, 2021 08:43 AM (Y5qcH)

72 It's actually a custody battle in the first known lesbian divorce case.

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2021 08:44 AM (FONQx)

73 Guy on the right holding his chin is thinking about going to Great Clips.

Posted by: dantesed at July 20, 2021 08:44 AM (88xKn)

74 Nick Nolte's character recreates this scene in "Farewell to the King".

Posted by: BignJames at July 20, 2021 08:44 AM (AwYPR)

75
Solomon:

Ladies! Ladies! Okay, I get it. Splitting's out.

Then suppose we spatchcock the little feller and grill him up with some nice fresh herbs.

I got this urn of Pinot I've been dying to open.

What say?

Posted by: naturalfake at July 20, 2021 08:45 AM (5NkmN)

76
Foreskin and Seven Years Ago - a limerick

Solomon has rendered his decision
Despite receiving copious derision
His edict, so royal
Was to call in the mohel
And give the kid an epic circumcision

Posted by: Muldoon at July 20, 2021 08:45 AM (Xwt96)

77 Where are their masks?

Posted by: Just Wondering at July 20, 2021 08:45 AM (UHNOU)

78 The Kim Kardashian of ancient Palestine.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
_________

The Armenian slut is steatopygic.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 20, 2021

***
All a matter of taste, bro.
Posted by: Sir Mix-a-Lot at July 20, 2021 08:43 AM (/XOcP)

I'm not eating it. You try it.

Posted by: Mikey's oldest brother at July 20, 2021 08:45 AM (4I/2K)

79 The throne only has an armrest on one side. I find asymmetrical furniture disconcerting.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 20, 2021 08:45 AM (Y5qcH)

80 Morning.

That doesn't strike me as the most efficient way of splitting the baby.

One guy holding it by the wrists, another guy holding it by the ankles and a third guy ready to do the chopping. A strong guy like what stepped out of a Frank Frazetta painting. Surrounded by polar bears. And maybe a half naked babe watching from the corner with a tiger curled around her.

Posted by: Robert - 44 Days until the new Iron Maiden album at July 20, 2021 08:45 AM (1X+m9)

81 Guy on the right holding his chin is thinking about going to Great Clips.
Posted by: dantesed


Guy on his right too.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2021 08:46 AM (MZVOx)

82 Baby is not liking this at all.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 20, 2021 08:46 AM (VxC1e)

83 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 20, 2021 08:46 AM (yrol0)

84
Nowadays they'd take the baby to Satriale's to do this.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 20, 2021 08:46 AM (Nu1gd)

85 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 20, 2021 08:46 AM (yrol0)

86 Everyone's got a Broadway musical gesture except that one chick in the background, who's just staring into your soul. Somebody cut *her* in half, please.

Posted by: red speck at July 20, 2021 08:46 AM (gS3OW)

87 For a long time, I debated creating an illustrated Song of Solomon. Nothing is more public domain than the Holy Bible and no one--to my knowledge--has ever done it before. My girlfriend dissuaded me, telling me the inherently erotic nature of the source material would anger the devout and the irreligious wouldn't be attracted to a Biblically based work. Publishers wouldn't want to touch it. Still...

Posted by: troyriser at July 20, 2021 08:46 AM (pYLCQ)

88 Would hang in the lobby.

Posted by: Planned Infanticide at July 20, 2021 08:47 AM (VxC1e)

89 One guy holding it by the wrists, another guy holding it by the ankles and a third guy ready to do the chopping. A strong guy like what stepped out of a Frank Frazetta painting. Surrounded by polar bears. And maybe a half naked babe watching from the corner with a tiger curled around her.
Posted by: Robert - 44 Days until the new Iron Maiden album at July 20, 2021 08:45 AM (1X+m9)
++++
Hey, Maurice? C'mere. Read this.

Cool, right? Find this "Robert" person, get him a signed copy of that new album, promise him backstage passes at the next show, give him a signing bonus, whatever - but get him on board. Now. We need this man.

Posted by: Planned Parenthood Marketing Division at July 20, 2021 08:47 AM (3p5uk)

90 Then suppose we spatchcock the little feller and grill him up with some nice fresh herbs.

I got this urn of Pinot I've been dying to open.

What say?
Posted by: naturalfake at July 20, 2021 08:45 AM (5NkmN)

Sous vide that shit!

Posted by: Robert - 44 Days until the new Iron Maiden album at July 20, 2021 08:47 AM (zehv/)

91 Burma-Shave

Posted by: SMOD at July 20, 2021 08:47 AM (RHGPo)

92 Posted by: Muldoon at July 20, 2021 08:45 AM (Xwt96)

Soo...the kid was hung?

Posted by: BignJames at July 20, 2021 08:47 AM (AwYPR)

93 100 comment rule. [CBD]

Posted by: Jimco Industries at July 20, 2021 08:47 AM (buTO7)

94 86 Everyone's got a Broadway musical gesture except that one chick in the background, who's just staring into your soul. Somebody cut *her* in half, please.
Posted by: red speck at July 20, 2021 08:46 AM (gS3OW)

========

Don't like what she's finding, huh?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 20, 2021 08:47 AM (LvTSG)

95 I guess the woman in pink is the liar.

Posted by: redridinghood at July 20, 2021 08:48 AM (NpAcC)

96 Then suppose we spatchcock the little feller and grill him up with some nice fresh herbs.

I got this urn of Pinot I've been dying to open.

What say?
Posted by: naturalfake

Sous vide that shit!
Posted by: Robert

CBD! We need a recipe!

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2021 08:48 AM (MZVOx)

97 The guys are sporting permanents.

Posted by: Count de Monet, Free Agent (4I/2K) at July 20, 2021 08:48 AM (4I/2K)

98 The ancient Greeks resorted to "exposing" unwanted children, leaving them out on a hillside to die. See the story of Oedipus. The Romans probably did too. I don't know about in Solomon's time, but I suppose that if a child were obviously deformed or unlikely to live, they'd have done that as well.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 08:38 AM (/XOcP)

Was that a widespread Greek practice? I though it was basically a Sparta thing?

Posted by: Buzzion at July 20, 2021 08:48 AM (LYJuZ)

99 One of the women appears to be darker skinned than the other.
And we all know how that story ends.

Posted by: Voter theater. at July 20, 2021 08:48 AM (xXx5y)

100 Guy on the right holding his chin is thinking about going to Great Clips.
Posted by: dantesed at July 20, 2021


***
Solomon and the white-haired man in the painting are clean-shaven; the other two are bearded. Symmetry, I guess.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 08:48 AM (/XOcP)

101 (For those unread in the founding documents of our civilization) After ordering the live baby to be cut in two, Solomon declared which woman was the real mother based on their reactions. The woman who was willing to give the child up rather than have it killed was the real mother. (Which one was that in the painting?)

No babies were harmed in the making of this verdict.
1 Kings 3:16-27

Posted by: JustSalt at July 20, 2021 08:48 AM (vtRx2)

102 98 Was that a widespread Greek practice? I though it was basically a Sparta thing?
Posted by: Buzzion at July 20, 2021 08:48 AM (LYJuZ)

========

You know...the good guys in the movie 300.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 20, 2021 08:48 AM (LvTSG)

103 The sword looks rather like a scimitar. Did the ancient Hebrews use curved swords like that?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 08:49 AM (/XOcP)

104 Posted by: Muldoon at July 20, 2021 08:36 AM

Bravo Zulu.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 20, 2021 08:49 AM (a3Q+t)

105 The ancient Greeks resorted to "exposing" unwanted children, leaving them out on a hillside to die. See the story of Oedipus. The Romans probably did too. I don't know about in Solomon's time, but I suppose that if a child were obviously deformed or unlikely to live, they'd have done that as well.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 08:38 AM (/XOcP)


One of the points of the Abraham and Isaac story is that child sacrifice is common enough in the near East that Abraham isn't shocked and horrified by it, and that one of the distinguishing features of Judaism versus the other tribes will be God's rejection of such sacrifices.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at July 20, 2021 08:49 AM (jOcSX)

106 Sollermun warn't no wise man nuther.

https://tinyurl.com/sollermun

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 20, 2021 08:50 AM (XGAZE)

107 Public bris?

Posted by: Eromero at July 20, 2021 08:50 AM (0OP+5)

108 Solomon fucked up when he went into Africa.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 20, 2021 08:50 AM (HJR1G)

109 I'd like to hear a Steve Inman play-by-play on this

Posted by: dingbat at July 20, 2021 08:50 AM (l7r96)

110 For a long time, I debated creating an illustrated Song of Solomon. Nothing is more public domain than the Holy Bible and no one--to my knowledge--has ever done it before. My girlfriend dissuaded me, telling me the inherently erotic nature of the source material would anger the devout and the irreligious wouldn't be attracted to a Biblically based work. Publishers wouldn't want to touch it. Still...
Posted by: troyriser at July 20, 2021 08:46 AM (pYLCQ)

Pictures of twin fawns and a lush garden?

Posted by: Count de Monet, Free Agent (4I/2K) at July 20, 2021 08:50 AM (4I/2K)

111 Vice President Kamala Harris urged supporters to get the vax because the Bible says so.
IRS hit hardest

Posted by: SMOD at July 20, 2021 08:51 AM (RHGPo)

112 Muldoon is on a roll today. LOL

Posted by: Tuna at July 20, 2021 08:51 AM (gLRfa)

113 Was that a widespread Greek practice?...

Posted by: Buzzion at July 20, 2021 08:48 AM (LYJuZ)


Sheesh.

Everything's about anal with you morons, isn't it?

Posted by: naturalfake at July 20, 2021 08:51 AM (5NkmN)

114 Just think, while Raffaello was working on this, Michelangelo was working in the nearby Sixtine chapel .

Posted by: runner at July 20, 2021 08:51 AM (xL9OZ)

115 Baby is suspiciously buffed for an infant.

I suspect steroid abuse.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 20, 2021 08:51 AM (XGAZE)

116 Look, it's the fourth trimester. What's the big deal?

Posted by: Barack Hussein Solomon at July 20, 2021 08:52 AM (l0Lgi)

117
I'd like to hear a Steve Inman play-by-play on this
Posted by: dingbat at July 20, 2021 08:50 AM (l7r96)

__________

And Boo-ya!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 20, 2021 08:52 AM (Nu1gd)

118 The ancient Greeks resorted to "exposing" unwanted children, leaving them out on a hillside to die. See the story of Oedipus. . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 08:38 AM (/XOcP)

Was that a widespread Greek practice? I though it was basically a Sparta thing?
Posted by: Buzzion at July 20, 2021


***
Certainly the Spartans would have. You had to be tough to survive in Sparta. I think other Greek city-states did; Oedipus's home state was Thebes. Of course the king exposed him because of the prophecy that the boy would end up killing him, the king, and marrying the queen. (Which we know he did.)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 08:52 AM (/XOcP)

119 Sheesh.

Everything's about anal with you morons, isn't it?
Posted by: naturalfake

Right?

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 20, 2021 08:52 AM (U2p+3)

120 A lot about this is lifted from M.'s style--the coloring, lighting, the drapery, the faces and expressions. The only things that look more Raphael are the figure with the sword and Solomon himself. Also, M's figures would very likely be nude, massively built, and twisted in complex poses.

Posted by: Kris at July 20, 2021 08:53 AM (OyyDO)

121 This painting is awful white.
Posted by: f'd at July 20, 2021 08:40 AM (XfhKA)
++++
It's sad, really, that this even merits a comment. Our progress is severely lacking if "white == awfulness" must be even occasionally brought up and reinforced. It should be ingrained and default now.

We all need to do better.

Posted by: Your Kid's Whiteness Studies Professor. at July 20, 2021 08:53 AM (3p5uk)

122 Vice President Kamala Harris urged supporters to get the vax because the Bible says so.

She's right, in a way.

Posted by: Revelations at July 20, 2021 08:54 AM (l0Lgi)

123 Sheesh.

Everything's about anal with you morons, isn't it?
Posted by: naturalfake


You KNOW how you separated the men from the boys in ancient Greece?


With a crowbar.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2021 08:54 AM (MZVOx)

124 Sheesh.

Everything's about anal with you morons, isn't it?
Posted by: naturalfake at July 20, 2021 08:51 AM (5NkmN)

I blame The Newlywed Game.

Posted by: Count de Monet, Free Agent (4I/2K) at July 20, 2021 08:54 AM (4I/2K)

125 "Just think, while Raffaello was working on this, Michelangelo was working in the nearby Sixtine chapel ."

Amazing how much genius was on display at that particular place and time.

Posted by: Tuna at July 20, 2021 08:54 AM (gLRfa)

126 111 Vice President Kamala Harris urged supporters to get the vax because the Bible says so.
IRS hit hardest
Posted by: SMOD at July 20, 2021 08:51 AM (RHGPo)


When Planned Parenthood was working to reduce the "human weed" races, they enlisted black pastors to ty to influence their congregations to make use of PP's services.

Posted by: Emmie -- we need more Trump, not less at July 20, 2021 08:55 AM (Hrwnm)

127 Note that the olive trees have been cleared to remove concealment for the sniper.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 20, 2021 08:55 AM (a3Q+t)

128 Was that a widespread Greek practice? I though it was basically a Sparta thing?
Posted by: Buzzion at July 20, 2021

========
You know...the good guys in the movie 300.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 20, 2021


***
I've only seen the film once, but isn't there a deformed citizen whom King Leonidas has befriended? Is it mentioned that the normal practice for such a child would have been to leave it out to die, and Leonidas vetoed that for some reason?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 08:55 AM (/XOcP)

129 I blame The Newlywed Game.
Posted by: Count de Monet, Free Agent (4I/2K) at July 20, 2021 08:54 AM (4I/2K)
++++
I'll take "phrases not heat in 35 years" for $500, Alex.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 20, 2021 08:55 AM (3p5uk)

130 Posted by: runner at July 20, 2021 08:51 AM (xL9OZ)

Except...Raphael also did the Stanza della Signatura in the Vatican, which is one of the greatest works of Renaissance art!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 20, 2021 08:55 AM (Q9lwr)

131
*sings*

If it keeps on fallin'
Market's gonna break
If it keeps on falling
Market's gonna break
When the market breaks
Your retirements all crapped out

Posted by: Zombie Led Zeppelin at July 20, 2021 08:55 AM (5NkmN)

132 It's all fun and games until somebody starts a robot apocalypse.

https://youtu.be/fn3KWM1kuAw

Posted by: Planned Parenthood at July 20, 2021 08:55 AM (d9FiS)

133 Posted by: Buzzion at July 20, 2021

That was a always a bad idea in ancient times. With infant mortality already being high and all manner of other things that could kill you and no modern medicine, human sacrifice could easily put a population below replacement levels.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 20, 2021 08:56 AM (Y5qcH)

134 87 For a long time, I debated creating an illustrated Song of Solomon. Nothing is more public domain than the Holy Bible and no one--to my knowledge--has ever done it before. My girlfriend dissuaded me, telling me the inherently erotic nature of the source material would anger the devout and the irreligious wouldn't be attracted to a Biblically based work. Publishers wouldn't want to touch it. Still...
Posted by: troyriser at July 20, 2021 08:46 AM (pYLCQ)

Then do a literal illustration. SofS is allegory. Depict the allegorical imagery, not the intended meanings.

Posted by: Kris at July 20, 2021 08:56 AM (OyyDO)

135 128 I've only seen the film once, but isn't there a deformed citizen whom King Leonidas has befriended? Is it mentioned that the normal practice for such a child would have been to leave it out to die, and Leonidas vetoed that for some reason?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 08:55 AM (/XOcP)

==========

No, he did survive being cast out, but he just shows up to Leonidas' front line as they prepare for battle, offering to help.

Leonidas then tells him that he can't do the formation Spartans use to fight, and sends him away. And then the battles never use that formation. And the deformed guy shows Xerxes a hidden mountain pass.

I really don't like 300 very much.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 20, 2021 08:56 AM (LvTSG)

136 It's all fun and games until somebody starts a robot apocalypse.

https://youtu.be/fn3KWM1kuAw
Posted by: Planned Parenthood at July 20, 2021 08:55 AM (d9FiS)
++++
I'm assuming that this is a sock fail, but if any organization is really going to trigger a bunch of terminators to sweep through civilization with murderous intent, it might well be Planned Parenthood.

And yeah, that video is spooky AF.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 20, 2021 08:57 AM (3p5uk)

137 Pictures of twin fawns and a lush garden?
Posted by: Count de Monet, Free Agent (4I/2K) at July 20, 2021 08:50 AM (4I/2K)

One of the most beautiful romantic passages in the literature of mankind:

Your breasts are perfect;
they are twin deer
feeding among lilies.
I will hasten to those hills
sprinkled with sweet perfume
and stay there till sunrise.

Posted by: troyriser at July 20, 2021 08:57 AM (pYLCQ)

138 Vice President Kamala Harris urged supporters to get the vax because the Bible says so.

-
Whore of Babble On.

Posted by: Planned Parenthood at July 20, 2021 08:57 AM (d9FiS)

139 Baby is suspiciously buffed for an infant.

******

Turtle Wax™ and a microfiber cloth.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 20, 2021 08:57 AM (Xwt96)

140 Dat baby dead.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) (yQpMk) at July 20, 2021 08:58 AM (yQpMk)

141 Vice President Kamala Harris urged supporters to get the vax because the Bible says so.

-
Whore of Babble On.
Posted by: Planned Parenthood


Golf clap.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2021 08:58 AM (MZVOx)

142 111 Vice President Kamala Harris urged supporters to get the vax because the Bible says so.
IRS hit hardest
Posted by: SMOD


If she can hold a Bible without burning her fingers, I'd like to see her show us where it says that.

Posted by: Biden's Lonely Neuron at July 20, 2021 08:58 AM (UgCb4)

143 Except...Raphael also did the Stanza della Signatura in the Vatican, which is one of the greatest works of Renaissance art!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 20, 2021 08:55 AM (Q9lwr)

Except what? What does that have to do with what I said?

Posted by: runner at July 20, 2021 08:58 AM (xL9OZ)

144 hiya

Posted by: JT at July 20, 2021 08:58 AM (arJlL)

145 So, that house in my neighborhood that was listed about $150,000 more than any other house and higher than the Zestimate sold.

In two days.

Over asking price.

This market is stupid. I wish I could take part.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 20, 2021 08:58 AM (LvTSG)

146 One of the most beautiful romantic passages in the literature of mankind:

Your breasts are perfect;
they are twin deer
feeding among lilies.
I will hasten to those hills
sprinkled with sweet perfume
and stay there till sunrise.
Posted by: troyriser

Simon and Garfunkle?

Posted by: Planned Parenthood at July 20, 2021 08:58 AM (d9FiS)

147 I've only seen the film once, but isn't there a deformed citizen whom King Leonidas has befriended? Is it mentioned that the normal practice for such a child would have been to leave it out to die, and Leonidas vetoed that for some reason?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 08:55 AM (/XOcP)

Born deformed and crippled and his mother ran off with him rather than leave him to die. He approached Leonidas and wanted to fight as a Spartan but he would have been unable to hold his shield properly for the phalanx so he was told no and to help behind the lines in tending to wounded. Instead he betrayed the hidden pass location to Xerxes. I think it does somewhat line up with the Herodotus version.

Posted by: Buzzion at July 20, 2021 08:58 AM (LYJuZ)

148 The Spartans leaving "weak" or deformed newborns to die of exposure is a myth. There's no solid evidence of it except for some vague references from questionable sources, IIRC.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at July 20, 2021 08:59 AM (jOcSX)

149 What does that have to do with what I said?

Posted by: runner at July 20, 2021 08:58 AM (xL9OZ)

I thought you were taking a shot at my man Raphael!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 20, 2021 08:59 AM (Q9lwr)

150 I really don't like 300 very much.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 20, 2021 08:56 AM (LvTSG)


It's a known fact that Greek Hoplites fought in speedos and capes.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) (yQpMk) at July 20, 2021 08:59 AM (yQpMk)

151 Everything's about anal with you morons, isn't it?
Posted by: naturalfake at July 20, 2021 08:51 AM


This statement does not comport with observations.

The Horde has many amateur gynecologists. Amateur urologists and proctologists are much rarer.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 20, 2021 09:00 AM (a3Q+t)

152 Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 20, 2021 09:00 AM (a3Q+t)

We beg to differ!

Posted by: The Otters at July 20, 2021 09:01 AM (Q9lwr)

153 One of the most beautiful romantic passages in the literature of mankind:
Your breasts are perfect;
they are twin deer
feeding among lilies.
I will hasten to those hills
sprinkled with sweet perfume
and stay there till sunrise.
Posted by: troyriser


Wait a minute!
Her breasts have antlers and mouths and are eating flowers?!?!

That sounds more like HP Lovecraft than romance.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 20, 2021 09:02 AM (5NkmN)

154 I thought you were taking a shot at my man Raphael!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 20, 2021 08:59 AM (Q9lwr)

Not me. I spent many, many hours admiring both. Though I do question your extreme attraction to Caravaggio....

Posted by: runner at July 20, 2021 09:02 AM (xL9OZ)

155 Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at July 20, 2021 08:59 AM (jOcSX)

People's attitudes towards children were different back then because most children didn't make it to adulthood. Some cultures didn't even give them proper names until they were past puberty. So, the stories about Sparta are not out of the realm of possibility.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 20, 2021 09:02 AM (UuD2k)

156 So, that house in my neighborhood that was listed about $150,000 more than any other house and higher than the Zestimate sold.

In two days.

Over asking price.

This market is stupid. I wish I could take part.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison


Ours did. Six days. Highest of the comps around. Everything was new within five years except for the actual tub enclosure and garage door.
Roof, water heater, cabinets, island, marble countertops, windows, bathroom sink & commode, wood fence.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2021 09:02 AM (MZVOx)

157 Steve Inman watches Hillary go to hell.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 20, 2021 09:02 AM (H3kOD)

158 The movie The 300 was history like Democrats write history. In effect, pure bullshit.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 20, 2021 09:02 AM (o2MD2)

159 Of course our new robot overlords will speak with ebonic dialect. Anything else would be raaacist.

Posted by: Getting the banned back together at July 20, 2021 09:02 AM (pyG9d)

160 Amateur urologists and proctologists are much rarer.

******

That's beyond our scope.


Which reminds me. I need to look up an old friend.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 20, 2021 09:03 AM (Xwt96)

161 I thought you were taking a shot at my man Raphael!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 20, 2021 08:59 AM (Q9lwr)

He was pretty bad ass in the first ninja turtles movie.

Posted by: Buzzion at July 20, 2021 09:03 AM (LYJuZ)

162 At Taco Bell, customers are complaining about a lack of hot sauce.St Arbucks consumers have complained on social media channels about periodic shortages of items such as green tea.

Posted by: SMOD at July 20, 2021 09:03 AM (RHGPo)

163 Hell burps.

Posted by: klaftern at July 20, 2021 09:04 AM (r4sI4)

164 159 Of course our new robot overlords will speak with ebonic dialect. Anything else would be raaacist.
Posted by: Getting the banned back together at July 20, 2021 09:02 AM (pyG9d)

yo biotch
get yo taxes paid or we pop a cap in yor ass
forshizzle

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 20, 2021 09:04 AM (yrol0)

165 Except...Raphael also did the Stanza della Signatura in the Vatican, which is one of the greatest works of Renaissance art!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 20, 2021 08:55 AM (Q9lwr)
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Meh, he's no Rothko.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 20, 2021 09:04 AM (2SdPm)

166 It's a known fact that Greek Hoplites fought in speedos and capes.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) (yQpMk) at July 20, 2021 08:59 AM


Oh, my!!!

Posted by: George Takai at July 20, 2021 09:05 AM (a3Q+t)

167 and dont make me axe yu against

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 20, 2021 09:05 AM (yrol0)

168 Good news. The raging inflation that is now finally acknowledged by the media is nothing to worry about. See, it is a supply induced inflation not a demand generate done. So printing trillions of dollars every month is perfectly fine and should continue for years to come.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 20, 2021 09:05 AM (dFgCe)

169 Not that I want to move now.

But, homes are selling like crazy in our area.

I've been tempted to over our home at $500K just to see if I could get it....uh...and then sell.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 20, 2021 09:05 AM (5NkmN)

170 We had a pretty explicit passage (Baptists, ya see) from SofS on our wedding programs. Something, something, bewbs, something.

Posted by: Kris at July 20, 2021 09:05 AM (OyyDO)

171 > Her breasts have antlers and mouths and are eating flowers?!?!


And leave little piles of round droppings everywhere.


Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 20, 2021 09:05 AM (XGAZE)

172 over = offer

Posted by: naturalfake at July 20, 2021 09:05 AM (5NkmN)

173 "The movie The 300 was history like Democrats write history. In effect, pure bullshit."

True but how often do 'ettes get to admire so many good looking guys with abs of steel at one time?

Posted by: Tuna at July 20, 2021 09:05 AM (gLRfa)

174 Paris Clinics Offering Fake COVID Passes For 250 as Black Market Surges .. Health workers making up to 4,000 a month selling forged documents.

Posted by: SMOD at July 20, 2021 09:05 AM (RHGPo)

175 Speaking of, on the next movie thread I will give my own personal impression of La Fornarina the movie. I watched it in its original Italian!

Posted by: runner at July 20, 2021 09:06 AM (xL9OZ)

176 I want to sell our property and move to the mountains. Mrs928 says no, she want to die here.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) (yQpMk) at July 20, 2021 09:06 AM (yQpMk)

177 Though I do question your extreme attraction to Caravaggio....

Posted by: runner at July 20, 2021 09:02 AM (xL9OZ)

Who was the commenter with the unnatural fixation on Zack Greinke?

That's me with Caravaggio!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 20, 2021 09:06 AM (Q9lwr)

178 169 Not that I want to move now.

But, homes are selling like crazy in our area.

I've been tempted to over our home at $500K just to see if I could get it....uh...and then sell.
Posted by: naturalfake at July 20, 2021 09:05 AM (5NkmN)

==========

We couldn't get what the newly sold house sold. It's the nicest house in the hood. However, I really probably could get this place sold for about $130,000 over what I bought it for a year ago.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 20, 2021 09:06 AM (LvTSG)

179 One of the most beautiful romantic passages in the literature of mankind:
Your breasts are perfect;
they are twin deer
feeding among lilies.
I will hasten to those hills
sprinkled with sweet perfume
and stay there till sunrise.
Posted by: Troyriser

The Song of Songs, which is Solomon 's
Song of Songs 1:1

Revised New American Bible

Posted by: Fox2! at July 20, 2021 09:06 AM (qyH+l)

180 Which reminds me. I need to look up an old friend.
Posted by: Muldoon at July 20, 2021 09:03 AM


For dinner?

Posted by: Dr. Lecter at July 20, 2021 09:06 AM (a3Q+t)

181 173 True but how often do 'ettes get to admire so many good looking guys with abs of steel at one time?
Posted by: Tuna at July 20, 2021 09:05 AM (gLRfa)

=========

Well, mostly body paint.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 20, 2021 09:07 AM (LvTSG)

182 Covid passport = mark of the beast?

Posted by: Just Wondering at July 20, 2021 09:07 AM (UHNOU)

183 Paris Clinics Offering Fake COVID Passes For $250 as Black Market Surges .. Health workers making up to $4,000 a month selling forged documents.
Posted by: SMOD


Two please. Since the vax doesn't protect, I'll lie.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2021 09:07 AM (MZVOx)

184 A drive-by shooting Saturday night targeted customers patronizing a West Philly deli. Inside the store, the customers whipped out guns and returned the fire.

Meanwhile, a mother trapped inside started screaming when the one-year-old baby girl she was holding in her arms was hit in the leg with a stray bullet.

This is how bad things are right now in Philadelphia. On Monday, the deli owner told 6ABC he was still haunted by those screams. "That night I couldn't even sleep because my mind was still hearing that voice, that crying of that mom," Majid Choudary said.

Posted by: SMOD at July 20, 2021 09:07 AM (RHGPo)

185 People's attitudes towards children were different back then because most children didn't make it to adulthood. Some cultures didn't even give them proper names until they were past puberty. So, the stories about Sparta are not out of the realm of possibility.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 20, 2021 09:02 AM (UuD2k)


Yes, but my point was that even the Spartan stuff is mostly second or third-hand. Even if life was cheaper, they weren't necessarily throwing kids out left and right.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at July 20, 2021 09:07 AM (jOcSX)

186 Brought to you by Axe Body Spray.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 20, 2021 09:07 AM (vuisn)

187 Mrs928 says no, she want to die here.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) (yQpMk) at July 20, 2021 09:06 AM (yQpMk)

Phrasing??

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 20, 2021 09:08 AM (yrol0)

188 Who was the commenter with the unnatural fixation on Zack Greinke?

Heather Radish?

Posted by: grammie winger at July 20, 2021 09:08 AM (45fpk)

189 Real estate has slowed in my burg considerably. The days of 15 offers in one weekend are definitely over.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 20, 2021 09:08 AM (dFgCe)

190 Revised New American Bible
Posted by: Fox2! at July 20, 2021 09:06 AM (qyH+l)

Contemporary English Version. I prefer KJV myself, but people complain about struggling through archaic usage.

Posted by: troyriser at July 20, 2021 09:08 AM (pYLCQ)

191 Ugh.

offer our home at $500K over the listed redfin price.

stupid brai!

I want to offer our home at $500K over the listed price, that's it. That's all I want to say.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 20, 2021 09:08 AM (5NkmN)

192 True but how often do 'ettes get to admire so many good looking guys with abs of steel at one time?
Posted by: Tuna at July 20, 2021 09:05 AM


Abs are not the steel they seek.

Posted by: Obi Wan Dan at July 20, 2021 09:09 AM (a3Q+t)

193 Who was the commenter with the unnatural fixation on Zack Greinke?

That's me with Caravaggio!
Posted by: The Otters

Now The Otters are in on it!

Posted by: runner at July 20, 2021 09:09 AM (xL9OZ)

194 So if that baby is technically in state custody, would that make the guy with the sword a ward cleaver?

Posted by: Muldoon at July 20, 2021 09:09 AM (Xwt96)

195 Who was the commenter with the unnatural fixation on Zack Greinke?

Heather Radish?
Posted by: grammie winger at July 20, 2021 09:08 AM (45fpk)
-------------

Says the person with the unnatural fixation on the Cubbies.



Hi grammie, hope things are well with you and yours!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 20, 2021 09:09 AM (2SdPm)

196 Paris Clinics Offering Fake COVID Passes For 250 as Black Market Surges .. Health workers making up to 4,000 a month selling forged documents.
Posted by: SMOD

The Maquis, Part Deux.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at July 20, 2021 09:10 AM (d9FiS)

197 Baby back
Baby back
Baby back ribs...

- Jerusalem Chili's

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at July 20, 2021 09:10 AM (w9Wax)

198 He approached Leonidas and wanted to fight as a Spartan but he would have been unable to hold his shield properly for the phalanx so he was told no and to help behind the lines in tending to wounded. . . .
Posted by: Buzzion at July 20, 2021


***
Right. The impression I remember having was that Leonidas spoke kindly to him and was impressed with the unfortunate fellow's courage. I'd forgotten the bit about the guy betraying Sparta to Xerxes.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 09:10 AM (/XOcP)

199 So if that baby is technically in state custody, would that make the guy with the sword a ward cleaver?
Posted by: Muldoon at July 20, 2021 09:09 AM (Xwt96)



Only if he was a little hard on the Beav last night.....

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 20, 2021 09:10 AM (Zz0t1)

200 Everything's about anal with you morons, isn't it?
Posted by: naturalfake

Right?
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 20, 2021 08:52 AM (U2p+3)

well, while sex can make your day
anal will make your hole weak...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at July 20, 2021 09:10 AM (8D42x)

201 I prefer KJV myself, but people complain about struggling through archaic usage.

Posted by: troyriser at July 20, 2021 09:08 AM (pYLCQ)


It's very poetic, but a lot of inaccuracy in the translations.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 20, 2021 09:10 AM (45fpk)

202 I do not like the KJV. When I read the Bible, I want the message, not an exercise in decoding archaic English.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 20, 2021 09:10 AM (o2MD2)

203 I want to offer our home at $500K over the listed price, that's it. That's all I want to say.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 20, 2021 09:08 AM (5NkmN)
-----------

I while back, I got a text message, wanting to know if we wanted to sell our house. I almost texted back and said, "Sure, here's our price."

Fortunately, sanity prevailed and I didn't do it, because I could have put us on the hook to sell our house, which we're not really ready to do.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 20, 2021 09:11 AM (2SdPm)

204 "Well, mostly body paint."

Funny story. When my husband and I went to see it he was one of the few men in the theater. The majority of the audience that afternoon were women.

Posted by: Tuna at July 20, 2021 09:11 AM (gLRfa)

205 Only if he was a little hard on the Beav last night.....
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 20, 2021 09:10 AM


You have no idea.

Posted by: June at July 20, 2021 09:12 AM (a3Q+t)

206 Child sacrifice was one of the major reasons given by the Romans for finally destroying Carthage. I don't know if historians have decided whether it was actually true or not. Archaeologists have found what looks like child mass graves tho.

Posted by: Kris at July 20, 2021 09:12 AM (OyyDO)

207 troyrRiser @ 190- Geneva Bible 1599.

Posted by: Eromero at July 20, 2021 09:12 AM (0OP+5)

208 It's very poetic, but a lot of inaccuracy in the translations.
Posted by: grammie winger at July 20, 2021 09:10 AM (45fpk)
------------

"Thou shall not kill"

versus

"Thou shall not murder"

comes to mind.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 20, 2021 09:12 AM (2SdPm)

209 I'd forgotten the bit about the guy betraying Sparta to Xerxes.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 09:10 AM (/XOcP)



I did like Ephialtes crestfallen look when Leonidas said May you live forever. It's a particularly Spartan insult.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) (yQpMk) at July 20, 2021 09:13 AM (yQpMk)

210 St Arbucks consumers have complained on social media channels about periodic shortages of items such as green tea.
Posted by: SMOD at July 20, 2021


***

I really like the idea of a St. Arbuck. Patron saint of baristas? Or of coffee growers?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 09:13 AM (/XOcP)

211 \
I while back, I got a text message, wanting to know if we wanted to sell our house. I almost texted back and said, "Sure, here's our price."

Fortunately, sanity prevailed and I didn't do it, because I could have put us on the hook to sell our house, which we're not really ready to do.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 20, 2021 09:11 AM (2SdPm)


I got one of those awhile back. Started out innocently enough. "How are you doing?"
"Fine. You?"
"Good."
"Who is this?"
"My name is Sean and I buy houses...."

Spam filter added.......

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 20, 2021 09:13 AM (Zz0t1)

212 Picard, "I see two babies!"

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 20, 2021 09:14 AM (ZhmX5)

213 I really like the idea of a St. Arbuck. Patron saint of baristas? Or of coffee growers?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 09:13 AM (/XOcP)


Patron saint of failed art students.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at July 20, 2021 09:14 AM (jOcSX)

214 111 Vice President Kamala Harris urged supporters to get the vax because the Bible says so.
IRS hit hardest
Posted by: SMOD at July 20, 2021 08:51 AM (RHGPo


This right here is something I see from leftists all the time -- they tell us Christians that our religion requires us to do self-destructive things, things that just so happen to be very convenient for the left.

Posted by: Emmie -- we need more Trump, not less at July 20, 2021 09:14 AM (Hrwnm)

215 206 Child sacrifice was one of the major reasons given by the Romans for finally destroying Carthage. I don't know if historians have decided whether it was actually true or not. Archaeologists have found what looks like child mass graves tho.
Posted by: Kris at July 20, 2021 09:12 AM (OyyDO)

I don't believe that was a "reason" for their destruction. It was noted in Roman histories though.

Given that Carthage is believed to have originated with the Phoenicians and religious practices involving child sacrifice as noted in the Bible from that part of the world, it'd seem logical that they continued those religious practices (certainly the deities appear to be the same).

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 20, 2021 09:15 AM (z5Vrg)

216 Well, time to wander. 2009 vehicle needs 50K miles routine maintenance.

later!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at July 20, 2021 09:15 AM (2SdPm)

217 214 This right here is something I see from leftists all the time -- they tell us Christians that our religion requires us to do self-destructive things, things that just so happen to be very convenient for the left.
Posted by: Emmie -- we need more Trump, not less at July 20, 2021 09:14 AM (Hrwnm)

===========

"Give me all your shit. Jesus said to give to the poor."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, feeling very Danish at July 20, 2021 09:15 AM (LvTSG)

218 Carthaginians came from Canaan.


If you missed Pixy this morning:

Amazon asked Apple to delete an app that detected fake reviews on Amazon's website.
Apple did so. (CNBC)

Posted by: Braenyard at July 20, 2021 09:15 AM (lU0Ss)

219 I really like the idea of a St. Arbuck. Patron saint of baristas? Or of coffee growers?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 09:13 AM


Soi bois, wine moms, and Karens.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 20, 2021 09:15 AM (a3Q+t)

220
The Song of Songs, which is Solomon 's
Song of Songs 1:1


What the...?

So, not only does this Solomon guy want to cut babies in half,

he likes women with hairy breasts that have antlers and mouths and poop little pellets everywhere.

Who wrote this part of the Bible? Cthulhu?

Posted by: naturalfake at July 20, 2021 09:15 AM (5NkmN)

221 blake @ 216- Don't get around much anymore?

Posted by: Eromero at July 20, 2021 09:17 AM (0OP+5)

222 o if that baby is technically in state custody, would that make the guy with the sword a ward cleaver?
Posted by: Muldoon at July 20, 2021 09:09 AM (Xwt96)

Only if it was a June baby.

Posted by: Just a side note at July 20, 2021 09:17 AM (2DOZq)

223 John Aravosis
@aravosis
This is the craziest story. In order to prevent Olympians from having sex, and thus risk spreading the Covid virus, beds at the Tokyo Olympic Village are made from cardboard so they collapse if more than one person gets on them!

-
2021 Olympics: No Fun Allowed

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at July 20, 2021 09:17 AM (d9FiS)

224 The history of Israel is peppered with kings that ranged from awesome to just fucking awful. Same as Rome.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 20, 2021 09:17 AM (o2MD2)

225 The Song of Songs, which is Solomon 's
Song of Songs 1:1

i read this initially as Song of the South, and thought, I don't remember Uncle Remus doing THAT tune...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at July 20, 2021 09:17 AM (8D42x)

226 Child sacrifice was one of the major reasons given by the Romans for finally destroying Carthage. . . .
Posted by: Kris at July 20, 2021

I don't believe that was a "reason" for their destruction. It was noted in Roman histories though. . . .

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 20, 2021


***
Official line: "Child sacrifice is an outrage against the gods! Destroy them!"

Privately: "Those Carthage bastards are cutting into our trade profits. They have got to go."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 09:17 AM (/XOcP)

227 So, not only does this Solomon guy want to cut babies in half,

he likes women with hairy breasts that have antlers and mouths and poop little pellets everywhere.

Who wrote this part of the Bible? Cthulhu?
Posted by: naturalfake at July 20, 2021 09:15 AM (5NkmN)

He done told me to go live on the corner of my rooftop.

Posted by: Count de Monet, Free Agent (4I/2K) at July 20, 2021 09:18 AM (4I/2K)

228 When I read the Bible, I want the message, not an exercise in decoding archaic English.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 20, 2021 09:10 AM (o2MD2)

That's why I prefer the Jewish versions of the Old Testament.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 20, 2021 09:18 AM (Q9lwr)

229 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNuk_boPD8Q 30 seconds into the trailer, look at the rocket....looks like Bezos Blue Origin

Posted by: jeff at July 20, 2021 09:18 AM (5ANmk)

230 blake @ 216- Don't get around much anymore?
Posted by: Eromero at July 20, 2021 09:17 AM (0OP+5)


No shit. My 2017 is going to hit 50k in probably a month or two.

Posted by: Jordan61-(Ez6QX) at July 20, 2021 09:19 AM (Ez6QX)

231 John Aravosis
@aravosis
This is the craziest story. In order to prevent Olympians from having sex, and thus risk spreading the Covid virus, beds at the Tokyo Olympic Village are made from cardboard so they collapse if more than one person gets on them!

-
2021 Olympics: No Fun Allowed
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at July 20, 2021 09:17 AM (d9FiS)



Yeah, that'll stop 'em.

Horndogs gonna horn dog.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 20, 2021 09:19 AM (Zz0t1)

232 In order to prevent Olympians from having sex, and thus risk spreading
the Covid virus, beds at the Tokyo Olympic Village are made from
cardboard so they collapse if more than one person gets on them! ---------------------------- Sounds like they made sex more fun.

Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 20, 2021 09:19 AM (sX1BW)

233 Well, young people never have sex anywhere but bed, so the Olympic Committee really outsmarted the youth this time.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 20, 2021 09:19 AM (QU5/8)

234 Child sacrifice was one of the major reasons given by the Romans for finally destroying Carthage. . . .
Posted by: Kris at July 20, 2021

Funny thing about Roman historians, accuracy wasn't always their highest priority.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 20, 2021 09:20 AM (UuD2k)

235 There's a nice arc connecting the four main adults here. Beginning at Solomon at top, the line follows his arm pointing to the swordsman. The line swoops up thru the sword, down his arm and into the left-hand woman. The line continues through her arms, and her pointing right hand lead to the other woman. It's a beautiful swoop that starts off quickly, builds tension and drama fast as it hits the arc's apex. The tension drops abstractly and literally as the line of the arc falls through the composition. It allows for a quick reading and felling of the story.

Posted by: Kris at July 20, 2021 09:20 AM (OyyDO)

236 Although I prefer modern translations, there are some things that just sound better in the King James. Like the 23rd Psalm.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 20, 2021 09:20 AM (45fpk)

237 That's why I prefer the Jewish versions of the Old Testament.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 20, 2021 09:18 AM (Q9lwr)

With all 15 Commandments!

Posted by: Count de Monet, Free Agent (4I/2K) at July 20, 2021 09:20 AM (4I/2K)

238 Yeah, that'll stop 'em.

Horndogs gonna horn dog.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 20, 2021 09:19 AM (Zz0t1)


Right? Like a bed is the only place you can have sex.

Posted by: Jordan61-(Ez6QX) at July 20, 2021 09:20 AM (Ez6QX)

239 Well, young people never have sex anywhere but bed, so the Olympic Committee really outsmarted the youth this time.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 20, 2021 09:19 AM (QU5/8


You found the time machine and went back to the 30's didn't you.......

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 20, 2021 09:20 AM (Zz0t1)

240 I really like the idea of a St. Arbuck. Patron saint of baristas? Or of coffee growers?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius


Patron Saint of Juan Valdez and his burro.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2021 09:20 AM (MZVOx)

241 Zippity-Doo-Dah indeed!

/Uncle Remus envisioning Bambi-like breasts.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 20, 2021 09:21 AM (Xwt96)

242
Right? Like a bed is the only place you can have sex.
Posted by: Jordan61-(Ez6QX) at July 20, 2021 09:20 AM (Ez6QX)


That's what roadside rest stops and public porta-potties are for.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 20, 2021 09:21 AM (Zz0t1)

243 Based on his form, Solomon was the forebear of Ingemar Stenmark and modern alpine racing: http://www.acarya.it/30/stenmark.jpg

Posted by: 496 at July 20, 2021 09:21 AM (VJsqe)

244 My oh my what a wonderful day!!

Posted by: Muldoon at July 20, 2021 09:21 AM (Xwt96)

245 There's a nice arc connecting the four main adults
here.

Posted by: Kris at July 20, 2021 09:20 AM (OyyDO)

Maybe I am being picky, but it seems as though Raphael paid more attention to a few of the figures. I wonder whether some were painted by assistants...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 20, 2021 09:22 AM (Q9lwr)

246 The Olympic gymnasts just laughed and laughed.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at July 20, 2021 09:22 AM (jOcSX)

247 Funny thing about Roman historians, accuracy wasn't always their highest priority.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 20, 2021 09:20 AM (UuD2k)



The problem with lots of ancient history is that the version we have was written decades or centuries after the events.

Go read about the Battle of Cannae. Only one version was written while participants were still alive and that one was politically motivated.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) (yQpMk) at July 20, 2021 09:22 AM (yQpMk)

248 John Aravosis
@aravosis
This is the craziest story. In order to prevent Olympians from having sex, and thus risk spreading the Covid virus, beds at the Tokyo Olympic Village are made from cardboard so they collapse if more than one person gets on them!

-
2021 Olympics: No Fun Allowed
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at July 20, 2021 09:17 AM (d9FiS)

... and it's up against the wall, Olympic fuckers.

Posted by: Count de Monet, Free Agent (4I/2K) at July 20, 2021 09:23 AM (4I/2K)

249 Posted by: Kris at July 20, 2021 09:20 AM (OyyDO)

Geometry fetish?

Posted by: BignJames at July 20, 2021 09:23 AM (AwYPR)

250 Samurai Divorce Court

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 20, 2021 09:23 AM (flrWR)

251 Elbows.

Posted by: Biden's Dog at July 20, 2021 09:23 AM (wymgv)

252 Pornography was invented in the 1950s.

Posted by: Ken at July 20, 2021 09:23 AM (yQpMk)

253 This is a picture of Planned Parenthood, isn't it?

Posted by: Puddin Head at July 20, 2021 09:24 AM (/MaDp)

254 That's why I prefer the Jewish versions of the Old Testament.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 20, 2021 09:18 AM (Q9lwr)
-------------

Is translation online?
If so, where can it be found?
Thanks.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 20, 2021 09:24 AM (lU0Ss)

255 Of course it will make it worse ( or better depending how you look at it)

Olympic athletes: challenge accepted

Posted by: Just a side note at July 20, 2021 09:24 AM (2DOZq)

256 I don't believe that was a "reason" for their destruction. It was noted in Roman histories though.

Given that Carthage is believed to have originated with the Phoenicians and religious practices involving child sacrifice as noted in the Bible from that part of the world, it'd seem logical that they continued those religious practices (certainly the deities appear to be the same).
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 20, 2021 09:15 AM (z5Vrg)

Sure. The Roman's real reasons were more political, someone above said trade. The Romans were expanding into Sicily and the Carthaginians didn't like them moving in on their turf. The child sacrifice "outrage" seems like a justification added on later after the Romans finally won. Wouldn't be the first time, or last, that governments invented reasons for war.

Posted by: Kris at July 20, 2021 09:24 AM (OyyDO)

257 The problem with lots of ancient history is that the version we have was written decades or centuries after the events. ---------------------- Was spoken history not accurate? Does writing make things accurate? I'm being a bit contrarian here, but all history needs to be questioned and verified and substantiated - however possible. Written history should not just be accepted, and history that was only told much later should not just be dismissed.

Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 20, 2021 09:25 AM (sX1BW)

258 More a toddler, really.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 20, 2021 09:25 AM (csEWM)

259 John Aravosis
@aravosis
This is the craziest story. In order to prevent Olympians from having sex, and thus risk spreading the Covid virus, beds at the Tokyo Olympic Village are made from cardboard so they collapse if more than one person gets on them!

They should ban condoms, which is something the experts would say. That'll stop the hanky-panky.

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2021 09:26 AM (FONQx)

260 252 Pornography was invented in the 1950s.
Posted by: Ken at July 20, 2021 09:23 AM (yQpMk)

I can't remember if it was porn or wasn't premarital sex that he claimed didn't happen before the 50s. Because I seem to recall some people telling him off with stories about young girls needing to go and spend the summer at An aunt and uncle's farm

Posted by: Buzzion at July 20, 2021 09:26 AM (G2zl5)

261 OT: but could someone explain how this Millie managed to get into his present position. He seems to be short of any redeeming qualities.

Posted by: Northernlurker, surgite at July 20, 2021 09:26 AM (cSyAR)

262
Just spoke with the doctor. Her Majesty's surgery on her hand went well and she's in recovery. She has a pin and screw in her finger, which had to be taken apart and put back together. God only knows how we're going to handle the shows this weekend.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 20, 2021 09:26 AM (Nu1gd)

263 Pet thread yesterday reminded me of my dog looking at me in the mirror then shiftly looking away when I noticed .

A dog must have his secrets.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 20, 2021 09:26 AM (H3kOD)

264 Yes, painted by assistants from his renderings. Had to . Looks like it for one, and another he had only had so much time to complete all that Julius Ii wanted, plus all the other stuff, plus entertain the ladies ....

Posted by: runner at July 20, 2021 09:27 AM (xL9OZ)

265 261 OT: but could someone explain how this Millie managed to get into his present position. He seems to be short of any redeeming qualities.
Posted by: Northernlurker, surgite at July 20, 2021 09:26 AM (cSyAR)

----------

Agree. He must be the world's best ass kisser. Most in his position are.

Posted by: Seems Legit at July 20, 2021 09:27 AM (izAec)

266 I am sure that all those young, hot athletic people in peak physical condition at the height of their sexual appetites will be stymied by cardboard beds.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 20, 2021 09:27 AM (3p5uk)

267 242
Right? Like a bed is the only place you can have sex.
Posted by: Jordan61-(Ez6QX) at July 20, 2021 09:20 AM (Ez6QX)
-----------

Sneak out to the pool.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 20, 2021 09:27 AM (lU0Ss)

268 beds at the Tokyo Olympic Village are made from cardboard so they collapse if more than one person gets on them!

Only a "public health official" could be stupid enough to come up with that.

Posted by: t-bird at July 20, 2021 09:28 AM (pbStR)

269 Just spoke with the doctor. Her Majesty's surgery on her hand went well and she's in recovery. She has a pin and screw in her finger, which had to be taken apart and put back together. God only knows how we're going to handle the shows this weekend.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 20, 2021 09:26 AM (Nu1gd)


Yikes, I missed this. Did she fall?

Posted by: Jordan61-(Ez6QX) at July 20, 2021 09:28 AM (Ez6QX)

270 Sneak out to the kitchen

Posted by: Braenyard at July 20, 2021 09:28 AM (lU0Ss)

271 blake @ 216- Don't get around much anymore?
Posted by: Eromero at July 20, 2021

No shit. My 2017 is going to hit 50k in probably a month or two.
Posted by: Jordan61-(Ez6QX) at July 20, 2021


***
My 2016 Buick La Crosse has just made 51K. But I bought it 2 years ago with 33K already on it!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 09:28 AM (/XOcP)

272 So weight lifter beds will collapse?

Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 20, 2021 09:28 AM (dFgCe)

273 252 Pornography was invented in the 1950s.
Posted by: Ken at July 20, 2021 09:23 AM (yQpMk)


I'm fairly sure the first daguuerrotype was a nude selfie, and the first moving picture was a stag film.

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2021 09:28 AM (FONQx)

274
Agree. He must be the world's best ass kisser. Most in his position are.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 20, 2021 09:27 AM (izAec)

_________

He went to middle-management school; kiss ass upwards, kick ass downwards.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 20, 2021 09:28 AM (Nu1gd)

275 Well, I am doing my bit to beat inflation before my savings are made worthless. I've wanted some furniture. Not that I need it, but that it would be nice to have. I bought it. Why not? It's only going to get more expensive.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 20, 2021 09:28 AM (3p5uk)

276 I think they're making to much of the Olympic athletes having sex. I've seen a lot of those athletes, not that many inducing sexual arousal in anyone.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 20, 2021 09:29 AM (qH6FZ)

277
Just spoke with the doctor. Her Majesty's surgery on her hand went well and she's in recovery. She has a pin and screw in her finger, which had to be taken apart and put back together. God only knows how we're going to handle the shows this weekend.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 20, 2021 09:26 AM (Nu1gd)



My mother lost a battle with a table saw once. She had 9 pins in her index finger and a threaded rod holding her middle finger in place.

The itemized bill we received from the Dr. was amusing.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 20, 2021 09:29 AM (Zz0t1)

278 I should just start telling Leftists outlandish shit that makes no sense, based on their own faith.

"Karl Marx said men make their own history. Men. Not women. Kamala needs to get back in the kitchen."

"Mao said a revolution is an insurrection. If you're scared of Jan. 6, you're not really progressive."

"Karl Marx said religion is the opiate of the masses. So go to church more, or you're a square. Stop being such a moral scold and cut loose... Let's get high."

"Lenin said give me four years to teach the children... Lenin would have defunded Planned Parenthood."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 20, 2021 09:29 AM (JN3xP)

279 I think they're making to much of the Olympic athletes having sex. I've seen a lot of those athletes, not that many inducing sexual arousal in anyone.
Posted by: lowandslow at July 20, 2021 09:29 AM (qH6FZ)
++++
This does not apply to the Canadian women's curling team.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 20, 2021 09:29 AM (3p5uk)

280 Pool sex is for amateurs.

You are Americans.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 20, 2021 09:29 AM (H3kOD)

281 Isnt the mass orgy basically the only reason to go to the Olympics?

Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 20, 2021 09:29 AM (dFgCe)

282 276 I think they're making to much of the Olympic athletes having sex. I've seen a lot of those athletes, not that many inducing sexual arousal in anyone.
Posted by: lowandslow at July 20, 2021 09:29 AM (qH6FZ)

Ignoring Biden and the girl's gymnastic teams

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2021 09:30 AM (FONQx)

283 Wakes up
Scratches
Looks around
Dang. The friar still the local abby told me they have a song about this bible story. I asked him if they sing it by chants?
Goes looking for coffee.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 20, 2021 09:30 AM (axyOa)

284 Well, I am doing my bit to beat inflation before my savings are made worthless. I've wanted some furniture. Not that I need it, but that it would be nice to have. I bought it. Why not? It's only going to get more expensive.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 20, 2021 09:28 AM (3p5uk)


Same here. We bought a new bed and bedroom set last weekend.

Posted by: Jordan61-(Ez6QX) at July 20, 2021 09:30 AM (Ez6QX)

285 The problem with lots of ancient history is that the version we have was written decades or centuries after the events.

Go read about the Battle of Cannae. Only one version was written while participants were still alive and that one was politically motivated.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) (yQpMk) at July 20, 2021


***
Hannibal of Carthage was painted by Roman historians as a monster. No doubt there was a lot of propaganda mixed into that.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 09:30 AM (/XOcP)

286 She has a pin and screw in her finger, which had to be taken apart and put back together. God only knows how we're going to handle the shows this weekend.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 20, 2021 09:26 AM (Nu1gd)

I had a finger reassembled and pinned for 6 weeks. Waded into a dogfight twixt 2 German Shepherds. Anyway I had a 4" pin skewered through one finger for the 6 weeks. Made showering and shaving a serious pain. Made riding my motorcycles an even bigger pain.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 20, 2021 09:31 AM (o2MD2)

287 Chastity beds.

Posted by: klaftern at July 20, 2021 09:31 AM (r4sI4)

288
Same here. We bought a new bed and bedroom set last weekend.
Posted by: Jordan61-(Ez6QX) at July 20, 2021 09:30 AM (Ez6QX)



That's hot.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 20, 2021 09:31 AM (Zz0t1)

289 My mother lost a battle with a table saw once. She had 9 pins in her index finger and a threaded rod holding her middle finger in place.

The itemized bill we received from the Dr. was amusing.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 20, 2021 09:29 AM (Zz0t1)

Have you seen those ones that stop if you touch the blade? Don't know how well it works, but it's really cool.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 20, 2021 09:31 AM (UuD2k)

290 Go read about the Battle of Cannae. Only one version was written while participants were still alive and that one was politically motivated.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) (yQpMk) at July 20, 2021 09:22 AM (yQpMk)

It's the same thing with Gettysburg. After the war was over there was an sudden industry for veteran's account of the battle. Suddenly, ex-Union officers would swear that their line of defense saved the day.

Posted by: dantesed at July 20, 2021 09:31 AM (88xKn)

291 Orgy on the pole vault inflatable cushion!

Posted by: young, hot athletic Olympic people in peak physical condition at the height of their sexual appetite at July 20, 2021 09:31 AM (4I/2K)

292
Yikes, I missed this. Did she fall?
Posted by: Jordan61-(Ez6QX) at July 20, 2021 09:28 AM (Ez6QX)

__________

Delilah dislocated the little finger a couple of months ago by lunging for a coyote while on a leash. About 10 years ago, Dutch severed the tip of her other little finger by lunging after a swarm of Chinese Cresteds.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 20, 2021 09:31 AM (Nu1gd)

293 >>>but all history needs to be questioned and verified and substantiated - however possible. Written history should not just be accepted, and history that was only told much later should not just be dismissed.
Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 20, 2021 09:25 AM (sX1BW)
---------------

Cultures that had an oral tradition would relay accurate information for centuries.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 20, 2021 09:31 AM (lU0Ss)

294 I'm fairly sure the first daguuerrotype was a nude selfie, and the first moving picture was a stag film.
Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2021 09:28 AM (FONQx)

Pompeii had porn strewn across the city building walls.

Posted by: Just a side note at July 20, 2021 09:32 AM (2DOZq)

295
Have you seen those ones that stop if you touch the blade? Don't know how well it works, but it's really cool.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 20, 2021 09:31 AM (UuD2k)



Yes. Her brother sent her a video later on in life with the comment "Don't you wish you had one?"

I larfed.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 20, 2021 09:32 AM (Zz0t1)

296 @223

>>2021 Olympics: No Fun Allowed

Well, if they thought the all-star games ratings were bad wait until the get a load of what the Tokyo Olympics does.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 20, 2021 09:32 AM (mu7kg)

297 Hate to be the pool boy that has to skim the Olympic swimming pool

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2021 09:32 AM (FONQx)

298 Hate to be the pool boy that has to skim the Olympic swimming pool.

Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2021 09:32 AM (FONQx)

299 Hate to be the pool boy that has to skim the Olympic swimming pool.
Posted by: Roy at July 20, 2021 09:32 AM (FONQx)

You can say that again.

Posted by: Northernlurker, surgite at July 20, 2021 09:33 AM (cSyAR)

300 You can say that again.
Posted by: Northernlurker, surgite at July 20, 2021 09:33 AM (cSyAR)



Hate to be the pool boy that has to skim the Olympic swimming pool.

Posted by: Amy Schumer at July 20, 2021 09:34 AM (Zz0t1)

301
261 OT: but could someone explain how this Millie managed to get into his present position. He seems to be short of any redeeming qualities.
Posted by: Northernlurker, surgite at July 20, 2021 09:26 AM (cSyAR)




Anyone can kiss ass, but it's the tongue action that separates the men from the boys.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 20, 2021 09:34 AM (n+4am)

302 The first razor blade commerical.

King's X Blades.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 20, 2021 09:34 AM (H3kOD)

303 Maybe I am being picky, but it seems as though Raphael paid more attention to a few of the figures. I wonder whether some were painted by assistants...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 20, 2021 09:22 AM (Q9lwr)

It's possible. Not everyone was a moody ass like Michelangelo.

Posted by: Kris at July 20, 2021 09:34 AM (OyyDO)

304 Have you seen those ones that stop if you touch the blade? Don't know how well it works, but it's really cool.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

They use a hot dog as a demonstration tool.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2021 09:34 AM (MZVOx)

305 Same here. We bought a new bed and bedroom set last weekend.
Posted by: Jordan61


Did you spring for the good cardboard? The Chinese stuff has splinters in it.

Posted by: t-bird at July 20, 2021 09:35 AM (CTJwJ)

306 I thought the male athletes are required to have sex with the trannies.

Posted by: Northernlurker, surgite at July 20, 2021 09:35 AM (cSyAR)

307 Posted by: Braenyard at July 20, 2021 09:24 AM (lU0Ss)

Here is the Chabad version. It's designed more for searches than reading, but it's a start. I think you will see what I mean.


https://tinyurl.com/2kyza6pc

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 20, 2021 09:35 AM (Q9lwr)

308 Hate to be the pool boy that has to skim the Olympic swimming pool.
Posted by: Amy Schumer at July 20, 2021 09:34 AM (Zz0t1)

This place.

Learn it. Know it. Live it.

Posted by: Count de Monet, Free Agent (4I/2K) at July 20, 2021 09:36 AM (4I/2K)

309 OT: but could someone explain how this Millie managed to get into his present position. He seems to be short of any redeeming qualities.

Serious Answer - the military is a bureaucracy, not a meritocracy.

Posted by: Arrow Straight at July 20, 2021 09:36 AM (/fp1w)

310 Kamala sucks poll.


https://tinyurl.com/yeubmyjm

Posted by: flounder at July 20, 2021 09:36 AM (KnJdm)

311 The first razor blade commerical.

King's X Blades.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 20, 2021 09:34 AM (H3kOD)



You asked for it........


https://youtu.be/DmSxFdB-PJw

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 20, 2021 09:36 AM (Zz0t1)

312 Anyone can kiss ass, but it's the tongue action that separates the men from the boys.

Give that ye might receive.

Posted by: Colin Powell at July 20, 2021 09:36 AM (fFtVH)

313 Get the Dwell app and set the voice to Christopher. It's the KJ version. Listening to it being read gives you a different experience. You can tell that some passages were written to make it easier to memorize. Plus he reads as a dramatic presentation. It's helped me appreciate it.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at July 20, 2021 09:36 AM (YynYJ)

314 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 20, 2021 09:35 AM (Q9lwr)
-------------

Thanks

Posted by: Braenyard at July 20, 2021 09:36 AM (lU0Ss)

315 305 Same here. We bought a new bed and bedroom set last weekend.
Posted by: Jordan61

Did you spring for the good cardboard? The Chinese stuff has splinters in it.
Posted by: t-bird at July 20, 2021 09:35 AM (CTJwJ)

Wood's expensive- you have to pay extra for splinters.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 20, 2021 09:37 AM (csEWM)

316 I saw where the Olympic organizers have forbidden the women tennis players from making vocalizations when they strike the ball. Many of the competitors are disgruntled.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 20, 2021 09:37 AM (Xwt96)

317 Who wrote this part of the Bible? Cthulhu?
Posted by: naturalfake at July 20, 2021 09:15 AM (5NkmN)

Well, he did have almost a thousand wives and concubines.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 20, 2021 09:37 AM (qyH+l)

318 236 Although I prefer modern translations, there are some things that just sound better in the King James. Like the 23rd Psalm.
Posted by: grammie winger at July 20, 2021 09:20 AM (45fpk)
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LeBron translated the Bible?

I'm sure someone has made that joke before, but I haven't heard it. Of course, I don't follow the NBA.

Posted by: zmdavid at July 20, 2021 09:38 AM (xqRaG)

319 316 I saw where the Olympic organizers have forbidden the women tennis players from making vocalizations when they strike the ball. Many of the competitors are disgruntled.
Posted by: Muldoon at July 20, 2021 09:37 AM (Xwt96)

Lol

Posted by: Northernlurker, surgite at July 20, 2021 09:38 AM (cSyAR)

320
They use a hot dog as a demonstration tool.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2021 09:34 AM (MZVOx)



There is a vid out there where a guy uses his finger........and it doesn't leave a mark.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 20, 2021 09:38 AM (Zz0t1)

321 I saw where the Olympic organizers have forbidden the women tennis players from making vocalizations when they strike the ball. Many of the competitors are disgruntled.
Posted by: Muldoon at July 20, 2021 09:37 AM (Xwt96)
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*SNORT*

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 20, 2021 09:38 AM (3p5uk)

322 316 I saw where the Olympic organizers have forbidden the women tennis players from making vocalizations when they strike the ball. Many of the competitors are disgruntled.
Posted by: Muldoon at July 20, 2021 09:37 AM (Xwt96)

You all wanted fucking communism- this is fucking communism! Enjoy you fucking morons!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 20, 2021 09:39 AM (csEWM)

323 I saw where the Olympic organizers have forbidden the women tennis players from making vocalizations when they strike the ball. Many of the competitors are disgruntled.
Posted by: Muldoon at July 20, 2021 09:37 AM (Xwt96)

What are they going to do muzzle them?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 20, 2021 09:39 AM (Irn0L)

324
Go read about the Battle of Cannae. Only one version was written while participants were still alive and that one was politically motivated.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) (yQpMk) at July 20, 2021 09:22 AM (yQpMk)

It's the same thing with Gettysburg. After the war was over there was an sudden industry for veteran's account of the battle. Suddenly, ex-Union officers would swear that their line of defense saved the day.
Posted by: dantesed at July 20, 2021 09:31 AM (88xKn)



Hell, the bodies were still warm on the battlefield when that shit started. Dan Sickles had lost his leg on the second day, and evacuated to DC almost immediately (I believe he was actually on the road to Washington while Pickett's Charge was going on).

Sickles started blabbing to everyone in DC about how his actions saved the day, and that Meade was a blunderer. Started a blood feud between the two generals that lasted a lifetime.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 20, 2021 09:39 AM (n+4am)

325 I think the cardboard beds is a BS internet rumor, but I've seen some cheap particle board furniture that definitely blurs the lines between wood and cardboard.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 20, 2021 09:39 AM (UuD2k)

326 Only The Vulgate is adequate.

Posted by: Latin Mass Deadender at July 20, 2021 09:39 AM (QU5/8)

327 hola chamucos y chamucas

Posted by: jeet at July 20, 2021 09:39 AM (g741k)

328 Kamala sucks poll.


https://tinyurl.com/yeubmyjm
Posted by: flounder at July 20, 2021 09:36 AM (KnJdm)


How can ANYONE have ANY confidence in either ONE of those to fucknuts.

#WASTF

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 20, 2021 09:39 AM (Zz0t1)

329 What are they going to do muzzle them?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 20, 2021 09:39 AM (Irn0L)

Practically, it would be interesting if they masked them. How many athletes would start dropping like flies?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 20, 2021 09:40 AM (csEWM)

330 ----------
LeBron translated the Bible?

I'm sure someone has made that joke before, but I haven't heard it. Of course, I don't follow the NBA.
Posted by: zmdavid at July 20, 2021 09:38 AM (xqRaG)



LeBitch can't read, much less translate.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 20, 2021 09:40 AM (Zz0t1)

331 OT: but could someone explain how this Millie managed to get into his present position. He seems to be short of any redeeming qualities.

Serious Answer - the military is a bureaucracy, not a meritocracy.
Posted by: Arrow Straight at July 20, 2021 09:36 AM (/fp1w)
***

I've several friends who served with him when he was a one and two star. They claim he was a fair boss, hard but competent.
Also very political.
Remember, every general/admiral selectee is vetted by not just their Service but by both the House and Senate Armed Services committees.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 20, 2021 09:41 AM (axyOa)

332 Primal screaming and tennis.

They don't play tennis in hell .

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 20, 2021 09:41 AM (H3kOD)

333 LeBitch can't read, much less translate.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 20, 2021 09:40 AM (Zz0t1)

From what I have heard, Lebron would still be in the creation part.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 20, 2021 09:41 AM (csEWM)

334 Practically, it would be interesting if they masked them. How many athletes would start dropping like flies?

The IOC only gets away with this because the athletes tolerate it. I wish they'd pack their bags and come home.

Posted by: Arrow Straight at July 20, 2021 09:41 AM (/fp1w)

335 What are they going to do muzzle them?
Posted by: Nevergiveup


I can see the commie bastards dq'ing them.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 20, 2021 09:42 AM (MZVOx)

336
Practically, it would be interesting if they masked them. How many athletes would start dropping like flies?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 20, 2021 09:40 AM (csEWM)



I had a stress test during a checkup a couple of weeks ago, and the doc insisted I keep the fucking mask on while speed-walking uphill on the treadmill. Asshole.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 20, 2021 09:42 AM (n+4am)

337 Mom to the left needs a shave!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at July 20, 2021 09:42 AM (8xsH3)

338 I saw where the Olympic organizers have forbidden the women tennis players from making vocalizations when they strike the ball. Many of the competitors are disgruntled.
Posted by: Muldoon at July 20, 2021 09:37 AM (Xwt96)

What are they going to do muzzle them?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 20, 2021 09:39 AM (Irn0L)

ball gag...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at July 20, 2021 09:43 AM (8D42x)

339 Practically, it would be interesting if they masked them. How many athletes would start dropping like flies?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 20, 2021 09:40 AM (csEWM)
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Probably not all that many - Olympians tend to be in peak physical condition and they probably wouldn't drop to the ground.

But if they did it, I would be willing to bet that there would be zero records matched or beaten.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 20, 2021 09:43 AM (3p5uk)

340 334 Practically, it would be interesting if they masked them. How many athletes would start dropping like flies?

The IOC only gets away with this because the athletes tolerate it. I wish they'd pack their bags and come home.
Posted by: Arrow Straight at July 20, 2021 09:41 AM (/fp1w)

Agreed. The Olympics- like so much else- has become nothing but a socialist fashion show. Fucking end it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 20, 2021 09:43 AM (csEWM)

341 257 The problem with lots of ancient history is that the version we have was written decades or centuries after the events. ---------------------- Was spoken history not accurate? Does writing make things accurate? I'm being a bit contrarian here, but all history needs to be questioned and verified and substantiated - however possible. Written history should not just be accepted, and history that was only told much later should not just be dismissed.
Posted by: SH (Non-Elite) at July 20, 2021 09:25 AM (sX1BW)

Generally the only substantiation one can do in the modern era is cross-referencing with different sources such as they are available. Modern historians like coming up with new theories of what happened out of whole cloth and substituting them for anything old records say though. For example sea people denial and Carthaginian child sacrifice denial.

A general assumption of old histories as propaganda tends not to be well-founded. Who would this propaganda even be aimed at? We're not talking about newspapers or television here. That doesn't mean they're free from error, but most deconstruction is garbage.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 20, 2021 09:43 AM (z5Vrg)

342 >>You asked for it........

https://youtu.be/DmSxFdB-PJw
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 20, 2021 09:36 AM (Zz0t1)
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You're dangerous

Posted by: Braenyard at July 20, 2021 09:43 AM (lU0Ss)

343
I had a stress test during a checkup a couple of weeks ago, and the doc insisted I keep the fucking mask on while speed-walking uphill on the treadmill. Asshole.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 20, 2021 09:42 AM (n+4am)



You should've fallen down, rolled around on the floor in agony and demanded a lawyer to sue his ass for attempted murder.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 20, 2021 09:43 AM (Zz0t1)

344
You're dangerous
Posted by: Braenyard at July 20, 2021 09:43 AM (lU0Ss)


But you can be my wingman any time.....

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 20, 2021 09:44 AM (Zz0t1)

345 I saw where the Olympic organizers have forbidden the women tennis players from making vocalizations when they strike the ball. Many of the competitors are disgruntled.
Posted by: Muldoon at July 20, 2021 09:37 AM (Xwt96)

What are they going to do muzzle them?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 20, 2021 09:39 AM (Irn0L

So much for mixed doubles then.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 20, 2021 09:44 AM (axyOa)

346 I had a stress test during a checkup a couple of weeks ago, and the doc insisted I keep the fucking mask on while speed-walking uphill on the treadmill. Asshole.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 20, 2021 09:42 AM (n+4am)

I do not get this fucking world. Did he say that your O2 levels were low and your lungs did not seem to be working right?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 20, 2021 09:44 AM (csEWM)

347 In the interests of tradition, I think synchronized swimming should be done in the nude.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 20, 2021 09:44 AM (o2MD2)

348 In the interests of tradition, I think synchronized swimming should be done in the nude.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 20, 2021 09:44 AM (o2MD2)
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Finally, the kind of support we need. This man is a hero!

Posted by: Transsexual Synchronized Swimming Team at July 20, 2021 09:45 AM (3p5uk)

349 In the interests of tradition, I think synchronized swimming should be done in the nude.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 20, 2021 09:44 AM (o2MD2)

i still wonder if one drowns, do the others have to as well to get a perfect score?

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at July 20, 2021 09:46 AM (8D42x)

350 How can ANYONE have ANY confidence in either ONE of those to fucknuts.

#WASTF

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at July 20, 2021 09:39 AM (Zz0t1)

It's funnier that, given the job Stinkfinger is doing as current occupant, so many lacked the confidence that she can even rise to that level.

Posted by: flounder at July 20, 2021 09:46 AM (KnJdm)

351
I had a stress test during a checkup a couple of weeks ago, and the doc insisted I keep the fucking mask on while speed-walking uphill on the treadmill. Asshole.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 20, 2021 09:42 AM (n+4am)

I do not get this fucking world. Did he say that your O2 levels were low and your lungs did not seem to be working right?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 20, 2021 09:44 AM (csEWM)


Heh. Actually, I came through with excellent numbers on the stress test, but it still sucked. I just want something to whine about.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 20, 2021 09:47 AM (n+4am)

352 Modern historians like coming up with new theories of what happened out of whole cloth and substituting them for anything old records say though. For example sea people denial and Carthaginian child sacrifice denial.
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I saw a documentary that said Nero was a great guy. All those people he assassinated? He was innocent! Setting the fire? Innocent! Persecuting Christians? They had it coming!

Posted by: zmdavid at July 20, 2021 09:47 AM (xqRaG)

353 I had a stress test during a checkup a couple of weeks ago, and the doc insisted I keep the fucking mask on while speed-walking uphill on the treadmill. Asshole.

On the third failed attempt at a blood draw last month, I got up and left. After Miss Doc explained that she had to have that blood, I explained that she worked for me - not the other way around.

Posted by: Arrow Straight at July 20, 2021 09:47 AM (/fp1w)

354 In the interests of tradition, I think synchronized swimming should be done in the nude.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 20, 2021 09:44 AM (o2MD2)

Just watch "women's" water polo, it is like mud wrestling in the pool.

Posted by: flounder at July 20, 2021 09:47 AM (KnJdm)

355
I saw a documentary that said Nero was a great guy. All those people he assassinated? He was innocent! Setting the fire? Innocent! Persecuting Christians? They had it coming!
Posted by: zmdavid at July 20, 2021 09:47 AM (xqRaG)


Plus, he was a hell of a musician!

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 20, 2021 09:48 AM (n+4am)

356 Plus, he was a hell of a musician!

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 20, 2021 09:48 AM (n+4am)

He made crumby software.

Posted by: flounder at July 20, 2021 09:49 AM (KnJdm)

357 The histories of the second Punic War do not exactly cover Rome with glory. Rome had some seriously shitty commanders and managed to get a lot of men killed. Except that scipio africanus- he had half a brain (speaking as the histories present it.)

Remember also when we are speaking of motivations, we are doing so with modern eyes and views on right and wrong. What looks good and bad.

Historical accounts can also be modified by the author, but remember HIS biases in wanting himself to look good are not your biases.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 20, 2021 09:49 AM (csEWM)

358 I saw a documentary that said Nero was a great guy. All those people he assassinated? He was innocent! Setting the fire? Innocent! Persecuting Christians? They had it coming!
Posted by: zmdavid at July 20, 2021 09:47 AM (xqRaG)

For all we know, Nero might have been like Trump and everyone in the Roman elite hated him. The news is the first draft of history.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 20, 2021 09:50 AM (UuD2k)

359 Plus, he was a hell of a musician!
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 20, 2021 09:48 AM (n+4am)
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They claimed he was a frustrated actor.

Posted by: zmdavid at July 20, 2021 09:51 AM (xqRaG)

360 Last stress test I did, they put me on O2 to make the walk. I think my level was at 88%. And I fired my previous pulmonologist. If they are just interested in making you pay for expensive tests, it's time for someone new.

Posted by: notsothoreau at July 20, 2021 09:51 AM (YynYJ)

361 blake @ 216- Don't get around much anymore?
Posted by: Eromero at July 20, 2021 09:17 AM (0OP+5)

__________

Bought my truck used last year with 39K original miles on it. Dealership could have gotten more, but didn't really realize what they had. Only reason I got it, first one in the door.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at July 20, 2021 09:51 AM (fw2WT)

362 I think there's good reason to doubt ancient historians: modern historians. There's no good reason to think man was more grounded, more honest, or less biased in the past than now, and we know how speculative, sometimes dishonest, and often motivated to tell a certain kind of history modern historians are.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 20, 2021 09:51 AM (QU5/8)

363 For all we know, Nero might have been like Trump and everyone in the Roman elite hated him.
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Given the general quality of the people who followed Augustus, the odds are against it.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at July 20, 2021 09:52 AM (7CyHK)

364 >>>I got up and left. After Miss Doc explained that she had to have that blood, I explained that she worked for me - not the other way around.
Posted by: Arrow Straight at July 20, 2021 09:47 AM (/fp1w)
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I tell them I'm a 'hard stick' and watch their response.
If there's a tell I ask for the resident expert.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 20, 2021 09:52 AM (lU0Ss)

365 Roman losses may well have been inflated to make the romans 'look' better for coming through the trial with their resolve unbroken.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 20, 2021 09:52 AM (csEWM)

366 Kamala sucks poll.

Pole ends with an *e*

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at July 20, 2021 09:52 AM (w9Wax)

367 358 I saw a documentary that said Nero was a great guy. All those people he assassinated? He was innocent! Setting the fire? Innocent! Persecuting Christians? They had it coming!
Posted by: zmdavid at July 20, 2021 09:47 AM (xqRaG)

For all we know, Nero might have been like Trump and everyone in the Roman elite hated him. The news is the first draft of history.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 20, 2021 09:50 AM (UuD2k)

Romans: "News?"

Generally we've got a pretty good idea of who the elites hated and who was on their team. Optimates and populares were the political parties.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 20, 2021 09:52 AM (z5Vrg)

368 I think there's good reason to doubt ancient historians: modern historians. There's no good reason to think man was more grounded, more honest, or less biased in the past than now, and we know how speculative, sometimes dishonest, and often motivated to tell a certain kind of history modern historians are.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 20, 2021 09:51 AM (QU5/

Agreed.

Posted by: flounder at July 20, 2021 09:52 AM (KnJdm)

369 The tension drops abstractly and literally as the line of the arc falls through the composition. It allows for a quick reading and felling of the story.
Posted by: Kris at July 20, 2021 09:20
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Even the dead kid contributes with the arm to leg sweep.
Kris, I really appreciate your little bon mots. Don't know jack about art and it's nice picking up small tidbits from those who do.

Posted by: From that time at July 20, 2021 09:53 AM (4780s)

370 Sickles started blabbing to everyone in DC about how his actions saved the day, and that Meade was a blunderer. Started a blood feud between the two generals that lasted a lifetime.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 20, 2021 09:39 AM (n+4am)

Dan Sickles' idiocy at Gettysburg killed more men from Shelbyville, Indiana than nearly all other war casualties combined. Most of those crosses on the courthouse lawn on Memorial Day are there because of Dan Sickles, the bastard.

Posted by: troyriser at July 20, 2021 09:53 AM (pYLCQ)

371 I got up and left. After Miss Doc explained that she had to have that blood, I explained that she worked for me - not the other way around.
Posted by: Arrow Straight at July 20, 2021 09:47 AM (/fp1w)
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In my experience - which has been fairly minimal by my choice - one thing doctors really hate is being questioned.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 20, 2021 09:53 AM (3p5uk)

372 Kamala sucks poll.

Pole ends with an *e*

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at July 20, 2021 09:52 AM (w9Wax)

I don't think she is that discriminating.

Posted by: flounder at July 20, 2021 09:53 AM (KnJdm)

373 I think there's good reason to doubt ancient historians: modern historians.

Horse shit.

Posted by: Howard Zinn at July 20, 2021 09:53 AM (/fp1w)

374
I think there's good reason to doubt ancient historians: modern historians. There's no good reason to think man was more grounded, more honest, or less biased in the past than now, and we know how speculative, sometimes dishonest, and often motivated to tell a certain kind of history modern historians are.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 20, 2021 09:51 AM (QU5/



I get my 19th Century history from George Macdonald Fraser. Probably better history than most actual historians.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 20, 2021 09:54 AM (n+4am)

375 362 I think there's good reason to doubt ancient historians: modern historians. There's no good reason to think man was more grounded, more honest, or less biased in the past than now, and we know how speculative, sometimes dishonest, and often motivated to tell a certain kind of history modern historians are.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 20, 2021 09:51 AM (QU5/

A contemporary history has many advantages over one written from a distant time frame. It's not that hard to see when a historian is engaged in myth-making.

It should be remember that a modern historian is very different from an ancient historian, they have different audiences. Materials made for the education of rulers are rather different from things meant to sway the masses.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 20, 2021 09:54 AM (z5Vrg)

376 362 I think there's good reason to doubt ancient historians: modern historians. There's no good reason to think man was more grounded, more honest, or less biased in the past than now, and we know how speculative, sometimes dishonest, and often motivated to tell a certain kind of history modern historians are.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 20, 2021 09:51 AM (QU5/

These days, imbeciles go watch a movie and think that's history. I remember a movie called The Ghost and the Darkness. They stated that everything in the movie was absolute truth. Well, I read Patterson's book, and 90% of the movie was pure bullshit.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 20, 2021 09:54 AM (o2MD2)

377 I think there's good reason to doubt ancient historians: modern
historians. There's no good reason to think man was more grounded, more
honest, or less biased in the past than now, and we know how
speculative, sometimes dishonest, and often motivated to tell a certain
kind of history modern historians are.


The more things appear to change, the more they stay the same. People and their egos...smh.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. (HaL55) at July 20, 2021 09:55 AM (HaL55)

378 I saw a documentary that said Nero was a great guy. All those people he assassinated? He was innocent! Setting the fire? Innocent! Persecuting Christians? They had it coming!
Posted by: zmdavid at July 20, 2021 09:47 AM (xqRaG)

I saw a documentary where one of the interviewees blamed the Great Fire of Rome on Christians because of the Book of Revelations. No one decided to tell the guy that Revelations was written 40 years after Nero.

Posted by: Kris at July 20, 2021 09:55 AM (OyyDO)

379 Maps use to be still are very useful.

Lying about coordinates...temperatures....kung flu..nooses for youes.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 20, 2021 09:55 AM (H3kOD)

380 Roman losses may well have been inflated to make the romans 'look' better for coming through the trial with their resolve unbroken.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 20, 2021 09:52 AM (csEWM)
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There's kinda no way to make Lake Trasimene look good, from the Roman perspective.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at July 20, 2021 09:56 AM (7CyHK)

381 363 For all we know, Nero might have been like Trump and everyone in the Roman elite hated him.
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Given the general quality of the people who followed Augustus, the odds are against it.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at July 20, 2021 09:52 AM (7CyHK)

I am not sure how much I buy the theory that every Emperor hated by the upper class (the historian class) is portrayed as a monster. Nero also runs afoul of Christian historians as being one of the first to persecute.

He probably sucked, but probably not as bad as recorded. He was probably a bored princeling not interested in his responsibilities. He did something to Christians, or there would not be the hate to begin with.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 20, 2021 09:56 AM (csEWM)

382 maybe it was just me, but i got a strong "hot dog on a stick" vibe from the blue origins ground crew.

Posted by: Comrade Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at July 20, 2021 09:56 AM (v3pYe)

383 Stress test is the best way to get w/w/out contrast CT pictures. They can chemically induce the heart rate but it's not as good and a little dicey.

I don't like either one but would rather the tread mill.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 20, 2021 09:56 AM (lU0Ss)

384 These days, imbeciles go watch a movie and think that's history. I remember a movie called The Ghost and the Darkness. They stated that everything in the movie was absolute truth. Well, I read Patterson's book, and 90% of the movie was pure bullshit.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 20, 2021 09:54 AM (o2MD2)
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There was a book some years ago called "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter."

I saw it at a bookstore. A chick and her boyfriend were there and she picked it up and read the title and then turned to her boyfriend and said, "there's so much stuff they don't teach you in school."

To this day, I don't know if she was kidding. She seemed sincere, but she might have had a good deadpan.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 20, 2021 09:56 AM (3p5uk)

385 For all we know, Nero might have been like Trump and everyone in the Roman elite hated him. The news is the first draft of history.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 20, 2021 09:50 AM (UuD2k)

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Trump single-handedly killed 300,000 Americans with a broken-off Corona bottle. The only thing The Dems had to defend themselves were two peaches and a box of mints!

If the news is the rough draft, then popular "fiction" entertainment is the 2nd revision. Mrs. Reason was watching a law drama TV show that stated without ANY pause or counterpoint that the J6 Insurrectionists were dead-set on "hanging the vice president" and were "going to kill Pelosi."

They want this to be the final say historical record so badly.

Posted by: reason at July 20, 2021 09:56 AM (0n37U)

386 Medically speaking, Biden is a vegetable.
Furthermore, he's the dumbest one.

Posted by: Jimco Industries at July 20, 2021 09:56 AM (buTO7)

387 I think there's good reason to doubt ancient
historians: modern historians. There's no good reason to think man was
more grounded, more honest, or less biased in the past than now, and we
know how speculative, sometimes dishonest, and often motivated to tell a
certain kind of history modern historians are.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 20, 2021 09:51 AM (QU5/

Mankind hasn't changed since it came down from the frigging trees and walked upright.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 20, 2021 09:57 AM (VwHCD)

388 I had a stress test during a checkup a couple of weeks ago, and the doc insisted I keep the fucking mask on while speed-walking uphill on the treadmill. Asshole.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 20, 2021 09:42 AM (n+4am)

You know, the doctor works for you. I would have told him if I have to wear a mask there will be no test. It is your health, not his. Breaking doctors is my wife's expertise.

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at July 20, 2021 09:57 AM (EpDzw)

389 There's kinda no way to make Lake Trasimene look good, from the Roman perspective.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at July 20, 2021 09:56 AM (7CyHK)

Nor Cannae, either. However, I think for this period of the war, you might not be unwise to knock some percentage points off the number lost.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 20, 2021 09:58 AM (csEWM)

390 In my experience - which has been fairly minimal by my choice - one thing doctors really hate is being questioned.

Remember how they told us to become "active participants in our health care regimen?" Guess what? That's not what they want these days. I have to start looking for a new PCP since the one I was assigned sure doesn't like his absolute authority challenged in any way. Used to be, being married to a BSRN carried some weight in medical circles. Not any more. I don't like my doc being dismissive of my input.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. (HaL55) at July 20, 2021 10:00 AM (HaL55)

391 Cultures that had an oral tradition would relay accurate information for centuries.
Posted by: Braenyard at July 20, 2021 09:31 AM (lU0Ss)


Oral traditions can be equally shaky if not worse.

Two examples, the Lakota Sioux of the Black Hill had an oral tradition that said that they had always been there, indeed, were created there. In fact, we know from French trading records that they were originally a Great Lakes tribe that was displaced by other Indians who wanted to get in on the lucrative fur trade and that they themselves displace the the then native tribes of the Black Hills. The second involves DeSota's trip through the SE where at one point, he fought a pitched battle with local tribes. When The French later got to this region, the tribes had no memory of this event even happening. So a group of white strangers riding giant deer and shooting thundersticks to kill your people was forgotten in a couple of centuries.

Posted by: Ken at July 20, 2021 10:00 AM (yQpMk)

392 Your Company Doctor does not work for you. Period.

Posted by: klaftern at July 20, 2021 10:00 AM (r4sI4)

393 A contemporary history has many advantages over one written from a distant time frame. It's not that hard to see when a historian is engaged in myth-making.

By this logic, you should be able to walk into Barnes & Noble, or log into Amazon, and get honest accounts of the presidencies of the 2000s. But by and large you can't. If we can't sort out our own contemporary history, why should we believe others could? The idea that you'll get the most accurate history from contemporaries, who are inherently interested in those events (quite often participants) and that you'll just be able to smell bullshit 2000 years later is a bit optimistic.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 20, 2021 10:00 AM (QU5/8)

394 dammit

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 20, 2021 10:00 AM (yQpMk)

395 These days, imbeciles go watch a movie and think that's history. I remember a movie called The Ghost and the Darkness. They stated that everything in the movie was absolute truth. Well, I read Patterson's book, and 90% of the movie was pure bullshit.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 20, 2021 09:54 AM (o2MD2)

Never go to a movie for a history lesson. At best, you might get the general outlines. At worst you get the moonshot being saved by a bunch of black ladies as they fought white racism.

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at July 20, 2021 10:01 AM (EpDzw)

396 By this logic, you should be able to walk into Barnes & Noble, or log into Amazon, and get honest accounts of the presidencies of the 2000s. But by and large you can't. If we can't sort out our own contemporary history, why should we believe others could? The idea that you'll get the most accurate history from contemporaries, who are inherently interested in those events (quite often participants) and that you'll just be able to smell bullshit 2000 years later is a bit optimistic.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 20, 2021 10:00 AM (QU5/

This goes back to different audiences. Ancient histories aren't written for popular consumption. The bias of modern historians and where it applies is often obvious, the same for ancient historians. Older histories, particularly military histories are not very interpretive, they're often listings of events and details.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy (z5Vrg) - The Republic is Already Dead at July 20, 2021 10:02 AM (z5Vrg)

397 Trump single-handedly killed 300,000 Americans with a broken-off Corona
bottle. The only thing The Dems had to defend themselves were two
peaches and a box of mints!


"He once killed three men. With a fucking pencil."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. (HaL55) at July 20, 2021 10:02 AM (HaL55)

398 Dan Sickles' idiocy at Gettysburg killed more men from Shelbyville, Indiana than nearly all other war casualties combined. Most of those crosses on the courthouse lawn on Memorial Day are there because of Dan Sickles, the bastard.
Posted by: troyriser at July 20, 2021 09:53 AM (pYLCQ)

My Man's Army unit took a fieldtrip to Gettysburg. Each officer had to do a small presentation on a leadership and tactics of the battle. He got assigned Sickles.

Posted by: Kris at July 20, 2021 10:02 AM (OyyDO)

399 The idea that you'll get the most accurate history from contemporaries, who are inherently interested in those events (quite often participants) and that you'll just be able to smell bullshit 2000 years later is a bit optimistic.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 20, 2021 10:00 AM (QU5/

The French always said you had to wait so many decades before you could get a fair history.

Posted by: WiNO - The Odds Are Never in Our Favor at July 20, 2021 10:02 AM (EpDzw)

400 Why are so many games side scrollers now? Did I miss the gene for liking those because I fucking hate them. Give me back my third dimension of motion!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 20, 2021 10:03 AM (csEWM)

401
LeBron's translation of the of the Bible:

"I... I... Iiiiin th... thuh buh... buhj... buh jinning... ah fuck this shit! Jesus says black lives matter. Let's shoot some hoops. Then I'll translate the Little Red Book. Or my social media guy will. On Twitter."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 20, 2021 10:04 AM (JN3xP)

402 Noodus simianus minor

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 20, 2021 10:04 AM (/XOcP)

403 There was a book some years ago called "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter."

I saw it at a bookstore. A chick and her boyfriend were there and she picked it up and read the title and then turned to her boyfriend and said, "there's so much stuff they don't teach you in school."

To this day, I don't know if she was kidding. She seemed sincere, but she might have had a good deadpan.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 20, 2021 09:56 AM (3p5uk)

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I need to believe this was deadpan. I must.

Also - they made it into an actually-pretty-good movie. Total popcorn flick. Go in with no expectations and you won't be disappointed.

Posted by: reason at July 20, 2021 10:04 AM (0n37U)

404 Also - they made it into an actually-pretty-good movie. Total popcorn flick. Go in with no expectations and you won't be disappointed.
Posted by: reason at July 20, 2021 10:04 AM (0n37U)


Rufus Sewell always plays a good bad guy.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 20, 2021 10:06 AM (yQpMk)

405

You can have sex in a bed? Why when I was young we only had a cardboard box in the middle of the road and 120,000 acres of forest,cramped my style I'll tell ya.......

Posted by: Saf at July 20, 2021 01:15 PM (PgqFp)

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