Saturday Evening Movie Thread 06-19-2021 [TheJamesMadison]

Howard Hawks

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Before I begin, a big thanks and shoutout to Mark Andrew Edwards who suggested Howard Hawks as my next cinematic excursion. This has been a fun one, and I wouldn't have considered it without Mark's prompting. Thank you!

In 1954, the French cinema magazine Cahiers du Cinema was in turmoil. The younger generation of film critics, led by Francois Truffaut and Jean-Luc Godard, were rebelling against the stuffy, unimaginative, and immoral work of the contemporary French film industry. Popularizing the auteur theory with his article, "The Tradition of Quality", Truffaut and his fellow band of misfits looked beyond their borders for examples of contemporary film that they could admire, and they ended up focusing on Hollywood.

The most famous example was Hitchcock. Truffaut interviewed the British born director, writing a book about it, but other directors were highlighted as well. One of the most prominent of these others was Howard Hawks.

Most people seem to have little knowledge of Hawks, though he's directed several favorites. He made two of the most well-known and beloved screwball comedies, His Girl Friday and Bringing Up Baby. He directed two of the four movies that Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Bacall made together including the first where they met, To Have and Have Not and The Big Sleep. He made a pair of John Wayne's best Westerns, Red River and Rio Bravo. He worked with Bogart, Bacall, Wayne, Cary Grant, Rosalind Russell, Danny Kaye, Gary Cooper, James Cagney, Edward G. Robinson, Barbara Stanwyk, John Barrymore, Joel McRea, Rock Hudson, Kirk Douglas, James Caan, Montgomery Clift, Ginger Rogers, Jane Russell, and Marilyn Monroe.

Who was this man who work with so many stars, made so many great movies, and seems to have been somewhat forgotten?

Men in Dangerous Professions and the Women Who Love Them

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Hawks was the son of a wealthy paper manufacturer, won a national tennis championship at 18, earned a mechanical engineering degree from Cornell, and trained pilots during World War I in the Army. He never saw combat, but his experience of the physically demanding and dangerous life of a wartime pilot in wooden and cloth airplanes stuck with him for a long time. Moving back to California after the war, he finagled his way into the film industry until he started directing in 1926 with the now lost silent feature The Road to Glory (a title he used a decade later for a World War I movie that has nothing to do with his original work).

A contemporary of Hitchcock, I see them both as part of the second generation of filmmakers. The first were pioneers like DW Griffith, Charlie Chaplin, and Buster Keaton. Hawks came into a fully formed industry at the end of the silent period and was part of that generation that figured out how to make talkies. His first two talkies are lost, but his earliest existing talkie, the World War I pilot drama The Dawn Patrol (that was remade less than a decade later with Errol Flynn) is the rough form of the kind of movie he was going to make for the rest of his career.

Over the course of the 30s Hawks made several films in this mold, from the racing drama The Crowd Roars to the tale of tuna fishing off the coast of San Diego Tiger Shark to the massively underappreciated World War I drama Today We Live, and as he continued in this mold, his voice became clearer. In more and more films he shows men working in dangerous professions and the women who loved them.

There are a few things to parse in that assertion, so let me start with "Men". This is always about multiple men. He showed the comradery of a grown men, finding the time to bond deeply with each other. These were great friends, and what bonded them was their professions. Whether it was racing, tuna fishing, piloting aircraft, or cattle driving, these men had a common bond that tied them together intimately. This is wonderfully demonstrated in The Dawn Patrol when the British pilots shoot down a German flyer only to immediately start drinking with him once they take him back to their headquarters. They may fly under different flags, but out of their aircraft, they're all just men one more mission away from certain death. That commonality between men is important to almost all of Hawks' work. The only thing that could come between men in this sort of situation is a woman.

The Hawksian woman is a strong, independent woman who can keep up with the men in terms of wit and intelligence. They are distinctly feminine, and they all have a thing for men who do dangerous things. Jean Arthur in Only Angels Have Wings struggles with herself because she doesn't know if she can love Cary Grant when every time he goes up in a plane in the little Central American port city of Barranca, but she ultimately decides that his danger can be hers as well. In Ceiling Zero June Travis is a pilot learning the trade and comes between James Cagney and Craig Reynolds, happy to share the danger in the skies with the men. There are a lot of love triangles in Hawks' films.

Classical Visuals

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Hawks was never a conscious visual stylist, choosing to work with standard tools to never draw attention to himself. He appropriately used wide shots, medium shots, and closeups, often only using closeups for the most emotionally thrilling moments (as one should). There's a great moment early in Red River with the only concentrated use of closeups on the ranch hands as the group, led by John Wayne, begin the cattle drive northwards to Missouri. We get a quick succession of closeup of the hands' faces as they yell the herd forward.

His visual stylings are most interesting in Come and Get It, though. There's an interesting back story where Hawks was adapting a novel by Edna Ferber, but Samuel Goldwyn, the producer, was expecting a much more faithful adaptation of the book than what Hawks ended up delivering. When Goldwyn found out, about three-quarters of the way through production, he fired Hawks and replaced him with William Wyler to finish the picture, ending up giving the pair co-directing credits though they were never on set at the same time. It gets really easy to see where Hawks stopped working and where Wyler started because they naturally frame shots very differently.

Hawks' frame was largely functional. There's nothing wrong with that, by the way. He set up his characters in frame, and he let the actors improvise their way to a scene (one of the main reasons the production got off track from the novel). Wyler, by comparison, had a much more exacting eye, using three dimensions and spacing within a frame to imply power relationships, for instance. They're not showy, but once you realize what he's doing, it's impossible not to see it in every film he made like The Big Country and The Little Foxes.

I think this is one reason why the film geek community tends to skip over Hawks. It's not that they don't like him, but that they just don't think about him. Visually Hawks was functional rather than showy, so there seems less to pay attention to from a cinematic point of view. I don't agree. His work is more classical and actually subtle, even more effective than showy forms in certain cases. His Girl Friday is largely built on long takes as Cary Grant and Rosalind Russell spit fire back and forth, never cutting away, but always with rapid fire wit that makes the experience fly by. That's a conscious stylistic choice, allowing the visual space to focus on a pair of actors playing off of each other rather than cutting back and forth.

Repetition

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Hawks worked through the height of the studio system where individual players and technical staff were all on contract with individual studios, but Hawks was never really a studio player. He definitely had contracts, most notably with Warner Brothers early in his career. He butted heads constantly with studio executives, and Warner ended up loaning him out to other studios like Columbia (for Scarface) for the bulk of his contract.

What does this mean? I think it essentially puts him in a similar space as Orson Welles. Chafing under the constrictions of a system designed to move people like widgets, Hawks needed to have more independence. He needed to tell the stories he wanted to tell, not the stories that others told him to tell. This is, I think, one of the big reasons there's such uniformity to his work thematically. He repeated himself a lot in terms of plotting and characters, but it was always in search of new ways to say things about what he cared about.

That repetition ends up feeling like different drafts. Only Angels Have Wings is effectively the same movie as Ceiling Zero, not in some opaque similar plot sort of way, but in terms of it having the exact same beats, similar characters, and similar points. This was never really a problem in my eyes because, often, the later versions were actually better than the earlier ones (Angels is great while Ceiling is pretty good, for instance). He started outright remaking earlier movies with A Song is Born, though, a contracted picture that he had no desire to make which was based on the same Billy Wilder story as his earlier and much more successful Ball of Fire.

It became a bit of a joke towards the end of his career, though. After a wildly successful 40s, and a very strong 50s, Hawks began to get old. After the failure of Land of the Pharaohs, he came back with one of his best films, Rio Bravo, a character based Western about John Wayne guarding a jail for two hours. He used the same basic approach for his next film, the African adventure story of trappers, also starring John Wayne, Hatari!. Red Line 7000 feels like it's supposed to be the same thing for the racing world, but it takes on far too many characters for its running time leading me to think that it got cut down from a much healthier length for the story.

The critical and commercial failure of Red Line 7000, though, seems to have had a very negative effect on Hawks. His final two films after that, El Dorado and Rio Lobo are both, after a certain point, outright remakes of Rio Bravo, his last huge success. Both films very much have their merits, but there's no denying that Leigh Brackett, the co-writer on both and the writer of the earlier Rio Bravo, rankled at having Hawks insist on simply repeating the ending situation and resolution of the earlier film, especially on Rio Lobo. I think Hawks had grown old and was just going back to the familiar.

Now, that's not to say that Rio Lobo is a kind of Buddy, Buddy disaster of a final film. I see it more along the lines of Hitchcock's final film, Family Plot. Not his best work, but very much of his body of work with many of the charms that made his earlier great films great, just not quite at that level.

Retrospect

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Howard Hawks had one of the great runs in film. From 1938 to 1948 he made Bringing Up Baby, Only Angels Have Wings, His Girl Friday, Sergeant York, Ball of Fire, To Have and Have Not, The Big Sleep, and Red River. (Air Force is also in there, but it's almost purely a piece of wartime propaganda and doesn't work nearly as well as everything else he made around that time.)

This is the kind of output that any director should be absolutely jealous of. These are classics that have stood the test of time, often representing some of the best examples of genres that Hawks had, quite simply, never worked in before. The Big Sleep is one of the best film noirs, and Hawks had never made a noir before. He also never made another noir afterwards. That was it. He made one noir, one of the best of the genre, and he moved on to make one of the best Westerns of the genre (Red River), another genre he had never worked in before, consciously aping John Ford's style to great effect and providing a canvas for John Wayne to prove himself as an actual acting talent. As John Ford said of John Wayne's performance after seeing Red River for the first time, "I never knew the big son of a bitch could act." I can think of no greater compliment to both Wayne and Hawks than that. Never mind that Hawks never won a competitive Oscar (being awarded an honorary one in 1974), this quote I would choose, if I were Hawks, as one of the finest and most important things said about the body of work.

Hawks had talent, is what I'm sayin'.

Movies of Today

Opening in Theaters:

The Hitman's Wife's Bodyguard

Movies I Saw This Fortnight:

The Thing From Another World (Rating 3/4) Full Review "It's a cornerstone of science fiction cinema, and a fun monster movie." [Personal Collection]

Only Angels Have Wings (Rating 4/4) Full Review "Wonderfully acted, especially from Grant, Barthelmess, and Mitchell, Hawks' Only Angels Have Wings is a great little picture about daring men and how they treat with death on a daily basis." [Library]

His Girl Friday (Rating 4/4) Full Review "On the surface, it's a fast, entertaining bit of newspaper business, but just underneath it's more savage. That, I think, is what really helps this version rise to greatness." [Personal Collection]

Sergeant York (Rating 3.5/4) Full Review "Hawks was a well-practiced directorial hand by 1941, and he brings a quiet professionalism to every aspect of the production." [Library]

Ball of Fire (Rating 3/4) Full Review "It's easy and nice, helped wonderfully by the chemistry between the two leads and the crisp direction from Hawks. I can see why it was such a crowd pleaser in its day." [HBO Max]

Air Force (Rating 2.5/4) Full Review "It's an unfortunate ending to what had been a pretty solid film." [Library]

The Big Sleep (Rating 4/4) Full Review "This is really just primo entertainment from a group of extremely talented people. This is kind of an idealized example of film noir, anchored by a wonderful performance from Bogart and confidently and deftly directly by Hawks." [Library]

Red River (Rating 4/4) Full Review "This adaptation of Borden Chase's serialized novel The Chisholm Trail feels like Howard Hawks really reaching to make something bigger and newer for himself, and he succeeds wildly." [Personal Collection]

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Comments

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1 Love Red River. Thanks for all the Howard info. Never knew any of it.

Posted by: Draki at June 19, 2021 06:39 PM (8ni2U)

2 John Carpenter is a huge Hawks fan. They met when Carpenter was at...USC?

"Assault on Precinct 13" was a remake of "Rio Bravo".

And John Carpenter remade "The Thing" officially, though it's not really a remake.

And then there's "They Live" which has a fight scene which I'm told references "The Quiet Man," but that's John Ford.

Posted by: moviegique at June 19, 2021 06:45 PM (dhFCT)

3 Howdy TJM! No fighting words from me - just appreciation for your movie write-ups.

Posted by: Doof at June 19, 2021 06:46 PM (mZUr4)

4 Howard Hawks was good, but-

Edward Eagles was better.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 19, 2021 06:48 PM (dWwl8)

5 Angie Dickinson looking all kinds of yummy.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2021 06:49 PM (GVTFC)

6 I've never seen Rio Lobo, but I have seen John Ford's last film, Donovan's Reef.

I feel certain Rio Lobo was better.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 19, 2021 06:49 PM (OU+8W)

7 Calling Barranca...

Posted by: Getting the banned back together at June 19, 2021 06:50 PM (pvzWl)

8 6 I've never seen Rio Lobo, but I have seen John Ford's last film, Donovan's Reef.

I feel certain Rio Lobo was better.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 19, 2021 06:49 PM (OU+8W)

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Rio Lobo was Hawks on complete autopilot. It's got its familiar charms, but it's far from his best work.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 06:50 PM (LvTSG)

9 Howard Hawks lacked the vision to make Howard the Duck though.

Posted by: Leorge Gucas at June 19, 2021 06:50 PM (QU5/8)

10 To have and Have Not was the lesser known Casablanca .

Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 06:51 PM (2DOZq)

11 Have you done John Huston yet?

Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 06:53 PM (2DOZq)

12 hiya

Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 06:53 PM (arJlL)

13 @10
When men were men and dames were smoke shows.

https://tinyurl.com/f4cd2p4c

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2021 06:54 PM (GVTFC)

14 I liked His Girl Friday, I understand they edited the lines/takes to make the dialog even more punchy and witty than really feasible in normal delivery. It accentuates the wittiness of the script, which I thought was really the shining point of the story.

Posted by: .87c at June 19, 2021 06:54 PM (pakLr)

15 11 Have you done John Huston yet?
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 06:53 PM (2DOZq)

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Not yet. His is a bigger body of work, and now I need something smaller after the 36 movies Hawks made. I'm going to do Carl Th. Dreyer next. He only had 15.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 06:55 PM (LvTSG)

16 Took a few showings before watched Howard the Duck, found out my holding out was warranted.

Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 06:55 PM (Cxk7w)

17 Rio Lobo. Jennifer ONeil . Yum

Summer of 42 was my porn movie as a kid.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 06:55 PM (2DOZq)

18 14 I liked His Girl Friday, I understand they edited the lines/takes to make the dialog even more punchy and witty than really feasible in normal delivery. It accentuates the wittiness of the script, which I thought was really the shining point of the story.
Posted by: .87c at June 19, 2021 06:54 PM (pakLr)

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It was really filmed that way. There are a shocking number of long takes in the film where the dialogue is just rapid fire for three to four minutes at a time.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 06:55 PM (LvTSG)

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Was it HH or another director who was asked a very stupid fake hollywood reporter question "What did you hope to achieve with this film?"

And the director answered, "I hoped to achieve a paycheck."

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at June 19, 2021 06:56 PM (EuI+k)

20 @16

As has been said, the only reason to watch Howard The Duck is to see Lea Thompson in her panties.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2021 06:57 PM (GVTFC)

21 Hey movie thread! Hey TJM!

I'll be sure and check out more of Hawks' films. Thansk for the tip TJM. I do believe that John Ford has gotten more than his fair share of praise for his westerns, especially given that Ford was a walking mega-alcoholic trainwreck both on and off the set.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 06:57 PM (L2ZTs)

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I think it was John Ford who said it.

Where's Mary Poppins?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at June 19, 2021 06:57 PM (EuI+k)

23 Thomas, are you sure that isn't the only reason George Lucas *made* HtD? ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 06:58 PM (L2ZTs)

24 Many of these are good movies, watch the Westerns mostly, and always liked Hatari!

Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 06:59 PM (Cxk7w)

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Didn't John Huston act in a couple of D movies at the end?

Who was in that Giant Ants movie?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at June 19, 2021 06:59 PM (EuI+k)

26 I still really want to see The Other Side Of The Wind. Bugs me that Criterion is dragging their feet with releasing it on disc.

I also am actually looking forward to a Beatles movie, Get Back, which should be out in August I read. It's Peter Jackson's re-cut of Let It Be, which chronicled the band in 1969-70 basically screaming at each other and breaking up.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:00 PM (L2ZTs)

27 Lea does drop her clothes in a few movies

Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 07:00 PM (Cxk7w)

28 Watching The Book of Eli. It is interesting how watching it more you catch the other hints of him being blind.

Posted by: buzzion at June 19, 2021 07:00 PM (vMCab)

29 Speaking of Pedowood, who I can no longer recommend supporting, I do have a movie recommendation for those inclined that way.

Atomic Blonde. With Charlize Theron. Just finished it. Kind of a little sleeper action movie from 2017 with a spy theme. She's John Wick-ish but honestly only slightly less believable. What I mean is you just have to accept that she's a woman doing all this Jackie Chan shit, and if you can do that, you'll have a good time. I really dug it.

But I personally like the Jackie Chan type fighting where they use elements from the room. A nice twist on Gun Fu which can get very samey.

Notably they dolled her up in like a million outfits. Let's see them do that to John Wick.

Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:01 PM (uEbPt)

30 Best John Wayne movie?

For me it's hard to choose between The Cowboys, The Quiet Man and Sands of Iwo Jima.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:01 PM (2DOZq)

31 ..., I think Atomic Blonde owed a little bit to Modesty Blaise, a female Bond spoof from 1967. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:02 PM (L2ZTs)

32 I greatly admire Hawks and like almost all of his movies...except His Girl Friday. I have no idea why because I like all of the components: Hawks, Rosalind, Cary, and even the source material (The Front Page). And I like rapid fire 30s -style dialog.

I just don't like that movie. I've tried several times and can't make it past the 30 minute mark.

Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at June 19, 2021 07:03 PM (fTtFy)

33 Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:01 PM (uEbPt)

Peppermint was better to me and mor like John Wick and surprisingly more believable. Guns are great equalizers.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:04 PM (2DOZq)

34 @23

Lucas was a fan of the comic book, which was a good comic book series, but realistically, the film never should have been made. too strange, too over the top to be done right.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2021 07:05 PM (GVTFC)

35 Art and TJM:

The impression I have of His Girl Friday is that it's more like a staged play on film, than a movie. Everything I've heard is that the dialogue is just too spiffy and sharp to be really believable. Entertaining sure, but not real.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:05 PM (L2ZTs)

36 I should do 10 best Westerns next, The Cowboys will be one of them

Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 07:06 PM (Cxk7w)

37 Peppermint was better to me and mor like John Wick and surprisingly more believable. Guns are great equalizers.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:04 PM (2DOZq)

Oddly enough I couldn't even get through Peppermint. She was basically God in every scene and I couldn't get myself there. If you ask me to tell you the difference between that and what Charlize was doing maybe it's just that (IMO) the action was filmed better.

Also Peppermint asked us to accept that she traveled the world over the course of a year or two and became Peppermint which was a lot harder for me to digest.

Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:08 PM (uEbPt)

38 I liked Land of the Pharaohs, especially the ending of Joan Collins.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 19, 2021 07:09 PM (63Dwl)

39 @36

The best Western is Treasure of The Sierra Madre.

So it will be a thread trying to figure out what 2 - 10 are.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2021 07:09 PM (GVTFC)

40 35 Art and TJM:

The impression I have of His Girl Friday is that it's more like a staged play on film, than a movie. Everything I've heard is that the dialogue is just too spiffy and sharp to be really believable. Entertaining sure, but not real.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:05 PM (L2ZTs)

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Not real?

Someone better tell Shakespeare.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:09 PM (LvTSG)

41 I like new movies but I don't think I have any in my top ten that were made after 1980.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:10 PM (2DOZq)

42 38 I liked Land of the Pharaohs, especially the ending of Joan Collins.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 19, 2021 07:09 PM (63Dwl)

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The ending is really good, but I don't think the movie really earns it. All the palace intrigue feels really compressed into about 15 minutes near the end, like the movie was originally 3 hours long and they had to massively cut down everything to fit the 104 minute runtime.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:10 PM (LvTSG)

43 Magnificent Seven

Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 07:11 PM (Cxk7w)

44 the soviet heavy is actually a swedish ex con, for murder, roland moeller, he was also in that ridiculous dwayne johnson film, skyscraper

Posted by: alien covenant was much worse at June 19, 2021 07:11 PM (hMlTh)

45 qdpsteve--You may be onto something. I could never put my finger on it before but now that you say it, I think there's just something about the movie that rings false to me.

Bringing Up Baby, in contrast, is more consciously silly and it works.

Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at June 19, 2021 07:11 PM (fTtFy)

46 I think Atomic Blonde owed a little bit to Modesty Blaise, a female Bond spoof from 1967. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:02 PM (L2ZTs)

Hate to go all Charlie Gibson on you, but never heard of it.

Atomic Blonde seems to be rated as very mediocre which I disagree with. The cinematography alone puts it above many of the highly rated modern action movies. Plus there is a long take in there that if it didn't have disguised cuts, is an instant action classic.

Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:12 PM (uEbPt)

47 46 Atomic Blonde seems to be rated as very mediocre which I disagree with. The cinematography alone puts it above many of the highly rated modern action movies. Plus there is a long take in there that if it didn't have disguised cuts, is an instant action classic.
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:12 PM (uEbPt)

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Atomic Blonde is proof that the world doesn't really want a female James Bond.

I really like the movie. It's a really good take on a female spy during the Cold War with heavy action elements, and it barely made a blip at the box office.

That soundtrack slaps, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:13 PM (LvTSG)

48 27 Skip

Thanks! Info acted on. She is stunning.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 19, 2021 07:14 PM (u82oZ)

49 The patter lines in His Girl Friday were set up to have filler at the beginning and at the end, with meaningful dialogue in the middle. This allowed the characters to interrupt and talk over each other and not lose any important dialogue.

It is not a caring movie, it is very self centered in all the characters are self centered. Even the great tragedy of the story is played only for how it will sell stories

Posted by: Kindltot at June 19, 2021 07:14 PM (ySM85)

50 Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:08 PM (uEbPt)

Won't make a difference to you but it was five years and she got her ass beat physically. She was just smarter and better gun skills.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:14 PM (2DOZq)

51 TJM, as I said: entertaining yes, real no. :-)

Also Bill gets an exemption from a lot of rules for various reasons, not the least of which is he's the best ever writer in the English language.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:15 PM (L2ZTs)

52 Conversely only three of my top 10 were made before 1980. The Godfather (hi garrett), A Clockwork Orange, and Bridge On the River Kwai.

But I don't watch a lot of old movies so there may be one or two that I've never seen that would make the cut. I liked Vertigo a lot but it's not in my top ten.

Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:15 PM (uEbPt)

53 49 It is not a caring movie, it is very self centered in all the characters are self centered. Even the great tragedy of the story is played only for how it will sell stories
Posted by: Kindltot at June 19, 2021 07:14 PM (ySM85)

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I think that's one of the keys to the movie's greatness. It's not just amusing. There's a really scathing undertone to pretty much the entire film. The main characters are complete monsters.

Combine that with Ace in the Hole (by Billy Wilder), and you've got a great look at how awful journalists are and how easily led the public is.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:15 PM (LvTSG)

54 Leigh Brackett started her career with The Maltese Falcon and ended with The Empire Strikes Back, but I always knew her for her science fiction, mainly her Skaith trilogy.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 19, 2021 07:16 PM (ySM85)

55 Old ways are the best ways.

Posted by: Eromero at June 19, 2021 07:17 PM (0OP+5)

56 Won't make a difference to you but it was five years and she got her ass beat physically. She was just smarter and better gun skills.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:14 PM (2DOZq)

Maybe I'll give it another shot. It started to put me in a bad mood as it went on. It just seemed to involve a lot of ESP.

But like I said it may just be that AB was filmed better so I gave similar stuff in that a pass.

Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:17 PM (uEbPt)

57 Best John Wayne movie?
For me it's hard to choose between The Cowboys, The Quiet Man and Sands of Iwo Jima.
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:01 PM (2DOZq)

"Sands" gets my vote....I know things were different back then and they couldn't go all "Saving Private Ryan" and rub the blood and guts in the audience's faces (back then they didn't need to....real life was enough) but the message of a man responsible for other men's lives and instilling the brotherhood of arms into his men throughout the movie shines through. The other two are great movies too.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 19, 2021 07:17 PM (R/m4+)

58 I like Atomic Blonde quite a bit (and that's no small achievement because I'm a charter member of The He-Man Woman-Haters Club when it comes to tough-as-nails chick action flicks).

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 19, 2021 07:18 PM (QU5/8)

59 Hard to think of what would be in my own top ten. I do think that Vertigo, Clockwork Orange and 2001 are in there however.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:18 PM (L2ZTs)

60 I think that's one of the keys to the movie's
greatness. It's not just amusing. There's a really scathing undertone to
pretty much the entire film. The main characters are complete monsters.


Dad was a reporter when I was born, he got out of it, but his whole attitude was, "yeah, well, whatever"
Reporters were like that. Gotta feed the press and sell papers

Posted by: Kindltot at June 19, 2021 07:18 PM (ySM85)

61 I am going to have to go back and read this in its entirety. The only comment I have about Hawks is About Rio Bravo. I loved that film, really, who didn't love that film? Yes he made the movie three times, at least that is what they say. You have Rio Bravo, Rio Lobo, and El Dorado. Basically you have a few heroes that band together to fight off the bad guys.. And in each installment of the theme, you have Wayne.

Many say Hawks did it for a reason. He and Wayne had a serious philosophical argument with Fred Zinnemann, the director of High Noon. In High Noon you see a West where the people are cowards and only one man will stand up for what is right. In the Hawks films, you have a West filled with worthy people, that will chip in to do the right thing.

There is a reason Bill Clinton's favorite movie was High Noon. My guess is many Repubs preferred Rio Bravo. Though I think a few famous Repubs did love High Noon. It was a great film of course. It is two different philosophies on the nature of man I suppose.

Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 07:19 PM (gJfTA)

62 Hmm, I have not seen many of HHs movies. I like that he had an interesting, accomplished life before he started filmmaking - really stands out compared to what we see in young Hollywood directors today. That lack of life experience is a hindrance, I think.

>>Also Peppermint asked us to accept that she traveled the world over the course of a year or two and became Peppermint which was a lot harder for me to digest.

Yeah, they didn't show how she got from victim widow to kicka$$ mythic vigilante. At least with a similar recent movie, the Deathwish remake, you saw Brue Willis' character seeking out info and weapons, struggling to learn etc.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 19, 2021 07:19 PM (bDqIh)

63 "His Girl Friday" was an adaption of "The Front Page", a Broadway play by Ben Hecht and Charles McArthur, which is why it has that staged feel.

And I agree, it is funny, but not agreeable.

Posted by: Sal at June 19, 2021 07:20 PM (Uu3D6)

64 I don't know why, I always get Hawks and Ford confused. They both used Wayne a lot, they both worked around the same time, but otherwise are pretty much nothing alike. Basically I'm an idiot.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:21 PM (KZzsI)

65 64 I don't know why, I always get Hawks and Ford confused. They both used Wayne a lot, they both worked around the same time, but otherwise are pretty much nothing alike. Basically I'm an idiot.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:21 PM (KZzsI)

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Well, Hawks did make one of the best John Ford movies in Red River. So there's that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:22 PM (LvTSG)

66 Casablanca
Key Largo
The Cowboys
African Queen
Flight of the Phoenix
Sahara
The Caine Mutiny
The Quiet Man
Outlaw Josey Wales
Jeremiah Johnson

Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:22 PM (2DOZq)

67 Best John Wayne movie, well Cowboys and The Shootist have to be up there.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:22 PM (KZzsI)

68 The 2000s might not have produced a single great film.

Some very good films, but a great film?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2021 07:23 PM (GVTFC)

69 Still shilling for "The Death of Stalin". Very dark comedy, but wonderful performances.

Posted by: Sal at June 19, 2021 07:24 PM (Uu3D6)

70 The impression I have of His Girl Friday is that it's more like a staged
play on film, than a movie. Everything I've heard is that the dialogue
is just too spiffy and sharp to be really believable. Entertaining sure,
but not real.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:05 PM (L2ZTs)


It was originally a very successful Broadway play, The Front Page by Ben Hecht and Charles MacArthur, Hildy was a man who was trying to go get married but his boss kept trying to get him to write the stories on a murderer's execution.

Hecht and MacArthur got snapped up by Warner Brothers as writers, and according to H. Allen Smith they got assigned secretaries they didn't want because they were helpful and let visitors come in, so eventually they asked if they could hire their own. They hired strippers to sit naked in the front office and chase away all visitors



Posted by: Kindltot at June 19, 2021 07:24 PM (ySM85)

71 The 2000s might not have produced a single great film.

I think The King's Speech is one for the ages. Fellowship of the Rings was amazing film. But yeah, we used to see 2-3 really great movies every single year before 2000. Now you see that once a decade.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:24 PM (KZzsI)

72 Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer

I liked[/]Donnivan's Reef.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 19, 2021 07:25 PM (u82oZ)

73 Sal, that may be the 2000s best picture of all time thus far.

Kindltot, LOL and thanks for the info.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:26 PM (L2ZTs)

74 69 Still shilling for "The Death of Stalin". Very dark comedy, but wonderful performances.
Posted by: Sal at June 19, 2021 07:24 PM (Uu3D6)

Jason Isaacs stole the show as Zhukov.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:26 PM (BgMrQ)

75 Yikes. Thanks, Pixy Mesa.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 19, 2021 07:26 PM (u82oZ)

76 Still shilling for "The Death of Stalin". Very dark comedy, but wonderful performances.

Posted by: Sal at June 19, 2021 07:24 PM (Uu3D6)

it is very good. Dark comedy that shows how dysfunctional the reality in the USSR under Stalin was.

Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 07:26 PM (gJfTA)

77 The 2000s might not have produced a single great film.

Some very good films, but a great film?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2021 07:23 PM (GVTFC)

Yeah. Gladiator would be up there and you have to actually go back to 2000. And I think Kill Bill is just tops but if I call it a great film I'm sure I'll get thrown out of here (finally). It *is* a great film.

Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:26 PM (uEbPt)

78 Still shilling for "The Death of Stalin". Very dark comedy, but wonderful performances.
Posted by: Sal at June 19, 2021 07:24 PM (Uu3D6)

Great movie. Couldn't disagree if it was in people's top ten list.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:27 PM (2DOZq)

79 Paramount, sorry they worked for Paramount

Posted by: Kindltot at June 19, 2021 07:27 PM (ySM85)

80 Get the catapult out and ready for ...!
;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:27 PM (L2ZTs)

81 I liked Donnivan's Reef.

Well someone had to

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:27 PM (KZzsI)

82 The King's Speech is excellent.

Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:27 PM (uEbPt)

83 I really don't know what Great Film means. I can tell you what I like. That's about it.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 19, 2021 07:28 PM (QU5/8)

84 Guess more mini series than movie but looking up people and places in my readings came along a old Soviet ( 1973) 12 part series Seventeen Moments of Spring about top Nazi and Soviets spy ring on YouTube. Seen 2 already and quite riveted but finishing book first, they have been a hour a piece.
Subtitles in English.

Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 07:28 PM (Cxk7w)

85 To be fair my main criteria for picking my favorite movies is how many times I can watch it.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:29 PM (2DOZq)

86 LA Confidential is a great film. 1997.

Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:29 PM (uEbPt)

87 Well someone had to

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:27 PM (KZzsI)

++++LOL

Posted by: washrivergal at June 19, 2021 07:30 PM (pmLp6)

88 To be fair my main criteria for picking my favorite movies is how many times I can watch it.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:29 PM (2DOZq)

I'm pretty much the same. If a movie is such that I never want to watch it again then no matter how good it is I can't put it in my top ten.

Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:31 PM (uEbPt)

89 Jason Isaacs was a favorite, but I really loved Buscemi's Khrushchev. Possibly b/c I am old enough to have seen him on TV.

Posted by: Sal at June 19, 2021 07:31 PM (Uu3D6)

90 85 To be fair my main criteria for picking my favorite movies is how many times I can watch it.
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:29 PM (2DOZq

I would think that's a standard that everyone uses, whether they acknowledge it or not.

ex: 2001 is a "great movie", but it's not one of my favorites. One viewing is enough...morrrrrre than enough!

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:31 PM (BgMrQ)

91 5 Angie Dickinson looking all kinds of yummy.


Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2021 06:49 PM (GVTFC)

I had a girlfriend once who looked like Angie, especially in the leg department. She got a tattoo and joined the Army after her senior year in high school. She eventually married a guy named Fuzzy. She also was friends with a lesbian girl who, oddly, had a crush on me. My senior year in high school was interesting. Did I mention that all this took place in 1963?

Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2021 07:32 PM (8SSHh)

92 Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:31 PM (uEbPt)

You must be a Russell Crowe fan. Master and Commander might be my number 11 choice.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:33 PM (2DOZq)

93 Javems, Angie did a great movie with Ronald Reagan (!) as the bad guy: The Killers, 1964.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:33 PM (L2ZTs)

94 I mention that all this took place in 1963?
Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2021 07:32 PM (8SSHh)

I knew you were 29...I just knew it!

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:33 PM (BgMrQ)

95 "To be fair my main criteria for picking my favorite movies is how many times I can watch it."

Same with books. My fav is the Dune series, I would read all 7 in order, and by the time I got to the last one, the first one would be fresh again.

"Some very good films, but a great film?"

The Beach

Pitch Black

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 19, 2021 07:33 PM (83lwH)

96 Then again if we're going by number of watches then Traci Lords is in four of my top five.

Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:33 PM (uEbPt)

97
I liked Donnivan's Reef.

I liked Donovan's Brain.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 19, 2021 07:33 PM (63Dwl)

98 The Patriot.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 19, 2021 07:34 PM (83lwH)

99 ex: 2001 is a "great movie", but it's not one of my favorites. One viewing is enough...morrrrrre than enough!

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:31 PM (BgMrQ)

The English Patient and Shakespeare in love. I am not saying they are great, but they did win best picture. But who watches them twice or three times? Who would want to?

Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 07:35 PM (gJfTA)

100 You must be a Russell Crowe fan. Master and Commander might be my number 11 choice.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:33 PM (2DOZq)

Oh yeah that's two Crowes isn't it. Him and Guy Pearce were truly great in LA Confidential. Gladiator isn't on any of my lists but I think it's what most would call a "great film".

Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:35 PM (uEbPt)

101 Also, production for use is bunk

Posted by: .87c at June 19, 2021 07:36 PM (pakLr)

102 94 I mention that all this took place in 1963?

Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2021 07:32 PM (8SSHh)



I knew you were 29...I just knew it!

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:33 PM (BgMrQ)

You nailed it, 29.5 actually.

Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2021 07:36 PM (8SSHh)

103 Yay, movie thread!

Posted by: Darth Randall at June 19, 2021 07:36 PM (ciWUB)

104 I generally avoid movies when I see that it has been "based on a play." Not only usually too wordy, but the scenes oftentimes are limited to one set. And unless the dialogue is supreme, it can be tiresome.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 19, 2021 07:36 PM (pmLp6)

105 The Patriot.
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 19, 2021 07:34 PM (83lwH)

Not close to a favorite movie but it does have one of my top three movie scenes of all time.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:36 PM (2DOZq)

106 Robert Avrech, the screenwriter, had a rule that he could never get serious about any woman who did not like 'The Seven Samurai' ( or some other Japanese classic, I may not have the details correct).
He took his life-long crush to one, noticed half-way through that she was bored to the point of playing with her split ends, and decided it was a stupid rule.

So I never quarrel with anyone's Favorite Movie List.

Posted by: Sal at June 19, 2021 07:36 PM (Uu3D6)

107 It's becoming more and more obvious over the years that Shakespeare In Love "won" Best Picture because Harvey Weinstein (a) greased a ton of palms, (b) threatened everyone else and (c) called in a ton of favors.

It's great to see the Golden Globes going down. Now let's watch the same happen to AMPAS and all their child molesting cronies.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:37 PM (L2ZTs)

108 if we are going to shill for less known films. I will go back to one I mentioned before, Secrets and Lies. There is some good acting there, and that movie for sure proves the Brits are willing to put normal looking people on the screen. In Hollyweird even the ugly people are good looking. Spaghetti Westerns used ugly people too, but Secrets and Lies is a modern film, and it stands out. I wouldn't mention it if it were not a good film though.

Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 07:37 PM (gJfTA)

109 Best description of "Donovan's Reef" I have read is that Ford wanted to go on vacation with all his buddies and have the studio pay for it. Kind of like how Adam Sandler does movies.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:38 PM (KZzsI)

110 Yeah, "great" film is difficult to define. But I'd say fewer are being made by Hollywood. And none in the mainstream Hollywood.

Like, I loved "Whiplash". People who did not go to music school may not have appreciated it as much.

"The Intouchables" (France).
"The Lives of Others" (Germany).
"A Separation" (Iran).
"Pan's Labryinth" (Mexico/Spain).
"Fury Road" (Australia).
Pixar did some great work the first ten years. Miyazaki, too.

Posted by: moviegique at June 19, 2021 07:38 PM (dhFCT)

111 106 Robert Avrech, the screenwriter, had a rule that he could never get serious about any woman who did not like 'The Seven Samurai' ( or some other Japanese classic, I may not have the details correct).
He took his life-long crush to one, noticed half-way through that she was bored to the point of playing with her split ends, and decided it was a stupid rule.

So I never quarrel with anyone's Favorite Movie List.
Posted by: Sal at June 19, 2021 07:36 PM (Uu3D6)

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Quentin Tarantino broke up with every girl he dated who didn't like Rio Bravo.

He was making variations on Rio Bravo from the beginning of his career, but Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is outright his version of it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:38 PM (LvTSG)

112 I mean, it killed one man just because one guy believed it. Can you imagine how many murders we'd have if it was adopted by a whole country?

Posted by: .87c at June 19, 2021 07:38 PM (pakLr)

113 "Some very good films, but a great film?"


The Beach



Pitch Black

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 19, 2021 07:33 PM (83lwH)

Anything with Claudia Black in it gets honorable mention at worst.

Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2021 07:38 PM (8SSHh)

114 Same with books. My fav is the Dune series, I would read all 7 in order, and by the time I got to the last one, the first one would be fresh again.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 19, 2021 07:33 PM (83lwH)

You sir, are a glutton for punishment. Dune was more than enough for me, the rest left me cold.

Kinda like the the Carlos Castaneda series. "The Teachings of Don Juan" was great, but the rest of the series went way off the rails....(or maybe my drugs weren't good enough).

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:39 PM (BgMrQ)

115 Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:37 PM (L2ZTs)

++++I couldn't get past 30 minutes of Shakespeare in Love.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 19, 2021 07:39 PM (pmLp6)

116 Best criteria for my 10 best war movies was how many times I watched them. Many newer might get there but only seen once or twice so not sure yet.

Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 07:40 PM (Cxk7w)

117 Bacall at 17 was unbelievably gorgeous - at 38, not so much. Its odd how people age differently and lose or gain attractive features.

Cary Grant was handsome right up to 65 - he had just the right facial structure...Tony Curtis was incredibly handsome at 30 but a not so much at 50...you could make a living examining what facial structure makes for attractiveness past certain ages...

Posted by: Boswell at June 19, 2021 07:40 PM (5iUNf)

118 The Searchers is the best movie ever made, ergo it is also the best Western. It's science.

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at June 19, 2021 07:40 PM (JP4JT)

119 Same with books. My fav is the Dune series, I would read all 7 in order, and by the time I got to the last one, the first one would be fresh again.

***

Getting old isn't all bad.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Imma go see what's on sale for Juneteenth at June 19, 2021 07:40 PM (7/jQJ)

120 Someone mentioned Sahara above, that is one of my favorite war movies

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:41 PM (KZzsI)

121 "To be fair my main criteria for picking my favorite movies is how many times I can watch it."
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That's a pretty good criteria. I rate books that way myself. Anything that gets a "B" or better is a book that I can read again. "A+" is something I can read endlessly and find something new every time.

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 07:41 PM (K5n5d)

122 Same with books. My fav is the Dune series, I would read all 7 in order, and by the time I got to the last one, the first one would be fresh again.

***

What's the seventh Dune book?

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 07:42 PM (K5n5d)

123 116 Best criteria for my 10 best war movies was how many times I watched
them. Many newer might get there but only seen once or twice so not sure
yet.

Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 07:40 PM (Cxk7w)

"Gardens of Stone" was a great Army movie. The war scenes were pretty bad though.

Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2021 07:42 PM (8SSHh)

124 Lord Squirrel
"A+" is something I can read endlessly and find something new every time.

That is the very definition of a great classic book or movie or song.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 19, 2021 07:42 PM (u82oZ)

125 Yeah I only buy a DVD or book that I want to revisit more than once. If its a one and done, I'm not wasting any money on it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:42 PM (KZzsI)

126 I could watch the first 30 minutes of Saving Private Ryan every time it comes on, doubt I will ever watch the last hour and a half again.

Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 07:42 PM (Cxk7w)

127 ||What's the seventh Dune book?||

"The Spice & Residuals Must Flow Of Dune"

Posted by: moviegique at June 19, 2021 07:42 PM (dhFCT)

128 John Huston, as a film-maker, was really really good.

As an actor, he liked getting paid. He could be quite good--See "Chinatown" for example--but it was a sideline for him.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 19, 2021 07:43 PM (OU+8W)

129 The English Patient and Shakespeare in love. I am not saying they are great, but they did win best picture. But who watches them twice or three times? Who would want to?
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 07:35 PM (gJfTA)

***adjusts tight collar nervously***

I like Shakespeare in Love.

I love the supporting actors, each and every one.

It's a "guilty pleasure viewing".

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:43 PM (BgMrQ)

130 Getting old isn't all bad.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Imma go see what's on sale for Juneteenth at June 19, 2021 07:40 PM (7/jQJ)

Unless you turn into a sandtrout!

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:44 PM (BgMrQ)

131 129 I like Shakespeare in Love.
I love the supporting actors, each and every one.
It's a "guilty pleasure viewing".
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:43 PM (BgMrQ)

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I think it's a wonderful little comedy with wonderful production values.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:44 PM (LvTSG)

132 "Not close to a favorite movie but it does have one of my top three movie scenes of all time."

Tomahawk or the Church Recruitment scene? I also like the where he cons the General AND STILL takes his dogs LOL

Lucius Malfoy was great "as the ruthless Colonel William Tavington. Is it weird that I keep identifying with anti-heroes? Mags, Severus, William Money.

I think it's a hunger for men who have the Will to Act, since that's what is missing from the GOP these days. I don't want to turn the other cheek, I want to turn theirs.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 19, 2021 07:44 PM (83lwH)

133 Gladiator isn't on any of my lists but I think it's what most would call a "great film".
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:35 PM (uEbPt)
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I dunno, I really enjoyed Gladiator...It has the distinction of being the first DVD I ever bought....I just love the scene where Maximus enters the arena for the first time. The sound of the roaring crowd is just amazing...

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 07:44 PM (K5n5d)

134 Boswell

We could have an entire thread on attractiveness of actors and actresses.

Charlton Heston was handsome even in Wayne's World II late in life.

Julie Andrews.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 19, 2021 07:45 PM (u82oZ)

135 Lord Squirrel, I'd bet there's some amazing surround sound in Gladiator.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:47 PM (L2ZTs)

136 I've watched UHF more times than any movie with the exception of maybe of Mars Attacks.

Posted by: f'd at June 19, 2021 07:47 PM (Tnijr)

137 I dunno, I really enjoyed Gladiator...It has the distinction of being the first DVD I ever bought....I just love the scene where Maximus enters the arena for the first time. The sound of the roaring crowd is just amazing...
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 07:44 PM (K5n5d)

Hard to imagine anyone other than Russell Crowe in that role.

And here's another instance where a supporting character stole the show: Oliver Reed was outstanding in his final role ever. What a way to go out!

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:48 PM (BgMrQ)

138 I don't see a lot of nominations here for post 2000 "great films".

Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:48 PM (uEbPt)

139 Charlton Heston was handsome even in Wayne's World II late in life.
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Some actors age like fine wine over time...

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 07:48 PM (K5n5d)

140 browndog, did they have to pay Oliver Reed in whiskey? ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:48 PM (L2ZTs)

141 A great film is a film you could get into an argument about if it's the best film of all time.

Every decade up until the 2000's, in my opinion has at least three to four films, the 2000's have zero.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2021 07:48 PM (Siz82)

142 138 I don't see a lot of nominations here for post 2000 "great films".
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:48 PM (uEbPt)

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I see just about as much talk about Howard Hawks.

Eh...it happens.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:48 PM (LvTSG)

143 I like "Gladiator" a lot, but I can't really call it a great movie. Its emotionally manipulative, there's really no character growth in anyone, but it is very enjoyable to watch and the soundtrack is terrific.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:49 PM (KZzsI)

144 104 I generally avoid movies when I see that it has been "based on a play." Not only usually too wordy, but the scenes oftentimes are limited to one set. And unless the dialogue is supreme, it can be tiresome.
Posted by: washrivergal at June 19, 2021 07:36 PM (pmLp6)

Oooh, we should do "Best Movies Based on a Play".
Though I hear you. Some directors do a good job of "opening it out" and some don't.

I'd nominate "A Man for All Seasons", "Pygmalion" and "The Crucible".

Posted by: Sal at June 19, 2021 07:49 PM (Uu3D6)

145 25 Didn't John Huston act in a couple of D movies at the end?

Who was in that Giant Ants movie?
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at June 19, 2021 06:59 PM (EuI+k)


Huston was in Chinatown - not exactly a D movie.....

Nigel Davenport was in Phase IV.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at June 19, 2021 07:49 PM (SRRAx)

146 Posted by: moviegique at June 19, 2021 07:38 PM (dhFCT)

thanks for those picks. I will try to check them out if I have access. I have enjoyed a few good ones from Mexico and Spain. ANd for sure The Lives of Others. My Oz pick would be Breaker Morant for sure. But why only have one, i will try to check out your picks. And Germany, Ron Lola Run was fun. I have enjoyed a few other too, even some that might be considered comedies in some way.

Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 07:49 PM (gJfTA)

147 140 browndog, did they have to pay Oliver Reed in whiskey? ;-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:48 PM (L2ZTs)

One of the great English Boozers.

Peter O'Toole and Richard Burton being others.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:49 PM (BgMrQ)

148 And here's another instance where a supporting character stole the show: Oliver Reed was outstanding in his final role ever. What a way to go out!
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:48 PM (BgMrQ)
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A lot of excellent actors. Russel Crowe, Joaquin Phoenix, Richard Harris, & Oliver Reed all gave great performances.

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 07:50 PM (K5n5d)

149 123: I haven't seen Gardens of Stone in a while. I recall liking it. James Caan and James Earl Jones are solid actors.

Posted by: Puddleglum at June 19, 2021 07:50 PM (QFVV9)

150 not really a Spanish movie I think, but Barcelona was pretty good.

Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 07:50 PM (gJfTA)

151 I see just about as much talk about Howard Hawks.

Eh...it happens.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:48 PM (LvTSG)

I wasn't complaining, I was thinking it reinforced Bender's point. I swerved right to Atomic Blonde so what can I tell you. The only thing I really know about Howard Hawks is Scarface.

Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:50 PM (uEbPt)

152 It's just to hard to pick a top ten. Maybe we should grade movies with the binary system.

Posted by: f'd at June 19, 2021 07:50 PM (Tnijr)

153 Recently watched "Mystery Road" and "Goldstone". Australian detective movies about murders in the outback. Entertaining, but kind of bleak. They ended up turning it into a tv series called "Mystery Road" starring the same lead actor. Beautiful cinematography. The lead character is a light skinned aboriginal Federal detective who is sent out to the middle of nowhere to investigate larger crimes that the locals don't have the resources for investgating. The aboriginals don't trust him because he's working for the man and the whites don't because he's a "black-fella".

Worth a look. Especially the tv series.

Posted by: Darth Randall at June 19, 2021 07:50 PM (ciWUB)

154 browndog, yup, and Robert Shaw.

I believe both Shaw and Reed's idea of a good time was to go out, get rip-roaring drunk, and get into fistfights with people.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:51 PM (L2ZTs)

155 I find it's much better to "Tier" movies. It's fun to rank them but also sort of impossible.

I think tiering is the way the kids are doing it these days.

Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:52 PM (uEbPt)

156 23: I haven't seen Gardens of Stone in a while. I recall liking it. James Caan and James Earl Jones are solid actors.

Posted by: Puddleglum at June 19, 2021 07:50 PM (QFVV9)

I love that movie. Sure it is major anti war, but it is a good film. It took me forever to realize the kid in the movie was the same guy who played Dish in Lonesome Dove.
Also I served with a former Old Guard member. He said everything in the book Gardens of Stone was realistic. I read the book, it is worth checking out.

Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 07:52 PM (gJfTA)

157 136 I've watched UHF more times than any movie with the exception of maybe of Mars Attacks.
Posted by: f'd



UHF is a gem of a movie. A sublime goofball flick. Weird Al Yankovich was robbed of an Oscar!!

Posted by: Puddleglum at June 19, 2021 07:52 PM (QFVV9)

158 Puddleglum, I'm personally shocked that Weird Al's never been hired by Hollywood to score a comedy flick.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:53 PM (L2ZTs)

159 Interesting read about a director I don't know thanks TJM

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 19, 2021 07:53 PM (EZebt)

160 Javems @ 93- 1963 was a good year. Had a few girlfriends and a good job. I was in the ninth grade playing on varsity football team (when the coach put me in).

Posted by: Eromero at June 19, 2021 07:54 PM (0OP+5)

161 Howard Hawks, looking over the list of his films, has a tendency toward um, cloying? I'm not sure the term but he has a move toward the emotionally moving in his movies rather than letting the story move the viewer. Its subtle in some stuff than others, but I think that keeps me from truly loving his movies although I liked Scarface, Sargent York, and the Rio movies. I just can always tell I am watching a movie.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:54 PM (KZzsI)

162 158 Puddleglum, I'm personally shocked that Weird Al's never been hired by Hollywood to score a comedy flick.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:53 PM (L2ZTs)

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He's done the theme songs for Spy Hard and the Captain Underpants movie.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:54 PM (LvTSG)

163 Shaw in The Taking of Pelham 123 is a must see. Anyone who has not seen that film needs to get right with the world. I compare the remake of that movie with the remake of Red Dawn. If there were two more needless remakes, I can't think of them.

Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 07:54 PM (gJfTA)

164 I'd nominate "A Man for All Seasons", "Pygmalion" and "The Crucible".
Posted by: Sal at June 19, 2021 07:49 PM (Uu3D6)

A Man For All Seasons benefited from being filmed on location. It definitely did not have a "stage play feel" to it due to that aspect alone.

And if you go from Pygmalion to My Fair Lady (stage) to MFL (screen) the same thing takes place: using real physical locations take one out of the stage play mindset.

The Crucible will always feel like a stage play, where ever it's set.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:54 PM (BgMrQ)

165 159 Interesting read about a director I don't know thanks TJM
Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 19, 2021 07:53 PM (EZebt)

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You're welcome.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:54 PM (LvTSG)

166 I think tiering is the way the kids are doing it these days.
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:52 PM (uEbPt)
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Yeah, tiering is probably the way to go. "Best" movies can be somewhat subjective, based on individual taste. However, it can be helpful to put movies (or books) into a tier system based on various criteria. For instance, most of the books I read are in the "B-" to "B+" range, while the cream of the crop are in the "A-" to "A+" range. Haven't ranked movies that way (yet).

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 07:54 PM (K5n5d)

167 It was no Prometheus, I'll say that.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 19, 2021 07:54 PM (vuisn)

168 TJM, really? Thanks for setting me straight on that. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:56 PM (L2ZTs)

169 LA Confidential is a great film. 1997.
Posted by: ... at June 19,

Yep; and the book was good, too !

Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 07:56 PM (arJlL)

170 Many war movies are anti-war.

Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 07:56 PM (Cxk7w)

171 154 browndog, yup, and Robert Shaw.



I believe both Shaw and Reed's idea of a good time was to go out, get rip-roaring drunk, and get into fistfights with people.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:51 PM (L2ZTs)

Reed got his face cut up by a broken beer bottle (maybe a glass) once in a pub fight. He thought the resulting scars would ruin he acting career.

Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2021 07:57 PM (8SSHh)

172 I'll get in trouble, but one movie I thought was extremely powerful, was Precious.

It actually reminded me of A Clockwork Orange, it paints such a bleak picture of society, especially welfare society.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:57 PM (L2ZTs)

173 You've outdone yourself tonight, TJM.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 19, 2021 07:58 PM (kTF2Z)

174 30 Searchers absolutely no doubt

Posted by: MAxIE at June 19, 2021 07:58 PM (dVkJu)

175 I mention that all this took place in 1963?
Posted by: Javems

They had lesbians in 1963 ?

Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 07:58 PM (arJlL)

176 Ther have been a lot of movies made from plays, some of them work very well, but some I agree with how the transition doesn't work and feels trapped or claustrophobic and repetitive.

I mean, stuff like Arsenic and Old Lace, Amadeus, The Lion in Winter, and all of the Shakespeare stuff was a play first, so it can be done well.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:58 PM (KZzsI)

177 I don't think there's many movies in consideration for best of all time, so I consider that an extremely narrow definition.

Even with a more relaxed definition, the 2000's ain't done much on that score.

Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:58 PM (uEbPt)

178 165 159 Interesting read about a director I don't know thanks TJM
Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 19, 2021 07:53 PM (EZebt)
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You're welcome.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:54 PM (LvTSG)

Must not be 29...

I would posit that Hordeians of a certain vintage are more familiar with Hawkes than they know. Same goes for Frank Capra.

But his overall point stands, thanks for the movie thread!

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:58 PM (BgMrQ)

179 love that movie. Sure it is major anti war, but it is a good film.
not anti war, that is not the right term. More nihilist about the war. We can be anti war and still see the good in human endurance. And that causes that are blurry at best, can have some meaning.

Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 07:59 PM (gJfTA)

180 Many war movies are anti-war.
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The Victors

Posted by: dartist at June 19, 2021 08:00 PM (+ya+t)

181 My favorite western of all time is "The Outlaw Josey Wales", with all due respect with The Duke and The Searchers, which is a great movie.

Posted by: Puddleglum at June 19, 2021 08:01 PM (QFVV9)

182 Funny you mention Leigh Brackett -- I just saw "13 West Street" (1962) based on her novel. This was recorded on a day TCM was all about the teen delinquents, in this case the movie starred Alan Ladd as a aerospace engineer who is attacked one night when he runs out of gas on a dark street. A gang of punks roughs him up badly and this mild-mannered technocrat vows vengeance. It's kind of a proto-Death Wish. The young toughs turn out to be sons of upper middle class families in his own neighborhood.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:01 PM (Dc2NZ)

183 Best criteria for my 10 best war movies was how many times I watched them. Many newer might get there but only seen once or twice so not sure yet.
Posted by: Skip

have you ever seen A Walk in the Sun ?

Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 08:01 PM (arJlL)

184 trained pilots during World War I in the Army. He never saw combat, but his experience of the physically demanding and dangerous life of a wartime pilot in wooden and cloth airplanes stuck with him for a long time.

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I read recently that 30% of pilots assigned the Sopwith Camel died trying to learn to fly it. Its rotary engine created enormous torque that was deadly to the inexperienced.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 19, 2021 08:03 PM (d9FiS)

185 Not sure I can really pick just one western I love the most but I can make a list of them. Certainly Cowboys has to be one of those, I just love that movie even if the Duke dies in it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 08:03 PM (KZzsI)

186 JT of course, Italy right after Anzio

Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 08:03 PM (Cxk7w)

187 Many war movies are anti-war.

Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 07:56 PM (Cxk7w)

it is a lame term on my part. I meant there is something about how they portray the war that gives a very particular side and misses out on other context. there is nothing rare about that. It is something we all see and interpret in our own ways. Few would call Saving Private Ryan "anti war" but certainly it showed the horrors of war. And again, I like Gardens of Stone, the movie and the book. Even perspectives I might not fully embrace I appreciate if they are told well.

Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:03 PM (gJfTA)

188 Leigh Brackett -- That name rang a bell. She edited my copy of The Best of Edmund Hamilton. She was also his wife, apparently. I can't say I've read any of her fiction, though...

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 08:04 PM (K5n5d)

189 That soundtrack slaps, though.
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Is this how the kids say "bangin'" now? Cuz I thought the soundtrack was terrific.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:04 PM (Dc2NZ)

190 Not sure I can really pick just one western I love
the most but I can make a list of them. Certainly Cowboys has to be one
of those, I just love that movie even if the Duke dies in it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 08:03 PM (KZzsI)

Lonesome Dove to me is the best production and novel. As a theatrical performance, as art, you can't beat The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.

Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:05 PM (gJfTA)

191 185 Not sure I can really pick just one western I love the most but I can make a list of them. Certainly Cowboys has to be one of those, I just love that movie even if the Duke dies in it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 08:03 PM (KZzsI)

Oddly enough, most Westerns don't hold up for me.

The only ones that do are Lonesome Dove, and Open Range. Those I can re-watch and enjoy at any time of year.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:05 PM (BgMrQ)

192 There's a great moment early in Red River with the only concentrated use of closeups on the ranch hands as the group, led by John Wayne, begin the cattle drive northwards to Missouri. We get a quick succession of closeup of the hands' faces as they yell the herd forward.

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The Yee Haw scene.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 19, 2021 08:05 PM (d9FiS)

193 192 There's a great moment early in Red River with the only concentrated use of closeups on the ranch hands as the group, led by John Wayne, begin the cattle drive northwards to Missouri. We get a quick succession of closeup of the hands' faces as they yell the herd forward.

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The Yee Haw scene.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 19, 2021 08:05 PM (d9FiS)

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That's the one.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:06 PM (LvTSG)

194 The Wild Bunch was a good western.

Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 08:06 PM (arJlL)

195 Red River is a great western.

That is all.

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at June 19, 2021 08:07 PM (Psv/l)

196 have you ever seen A Walk in the Sun ?

Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 08:01 PM (arJlL)

i have.

Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:07 PM (gJfTA)

197 True Grit.

Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 08:08 PM (arJlL)

198 Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 19, 2021 07:44 PM (83lwH)

Tomahawk scene

Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 08:08 PM (2DOZq)

199 JT just had to look it up (after posting)to be sure I was picturing the right movie.

Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 08:08 PM (Cxk7w)

200 The Wild Bunch was a good western.

Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 08:06 PM (arJlL)

there is a non fiction book about the making of that movie. I would skip it and just enjoy the film. It was certainly one of the ten most important Westerns imo.

Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:08 PM (gJfTA)

201 Tomahawk scene

Ed Ames on the Tonite Show ?

Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 08:08 PM (arJlL)

202 Duel is the best movie every made.

Posted by: jeet at June 19, 2021 08:09 PM (OgGoB)

203 The Yee Haw scene.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 19, 2021 08:05 PM (d9FiS)

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That's the one.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:06 PM (LvTSG)

It even got mentioned in City Slickers at the start of their cattle drive...remember???

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:09 PM (BgMrQ)

204 203 It even got mentioned in City Slickers at the start of their cattle drive...remember???
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:09 PM (BgMrQ)

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I think I've seen City Slickers...It's been a long while, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:10 PM (LvTSG)

205 I don't think I could even make a top 10 Westerns list. Funny how that genre is so versatile.

Posted by: f'd at June 19, 2021 08:10 PM (Tnijr)

206 OT
https://legalinsurrection.com/eleven u s mayors call for paying reparations in their cities

Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 08:10 PM (Cxk7w)

207 ...and add the original Magnificent Seven to my "westerns list".

That is all.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:10 PM (BgMrQ)

208 A top 10 swords and sorcery list

Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 08:11 PM (Cxk7w)

209 201 Tomahawk scene

Ed Ames on the Tonite Show ?
Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 08:08 PM (arJlL)
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Frontier bris!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:11 PM (Dc2NZ)

210 42- that movie was written by William Faulkner. He said he didn't know how a Pharoah lived so he wrote him as a Kentucky Colonel.

Posted by: vivi at June 19, 2021 08:12 PM (USW1s)

211 209 201 Tomahawk scene

Ed Ames on the Tonite Show ?
Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 08:08 PM (arJlL)
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I was asleep, but it made my parents howl for days!

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:12 PM (BgMrQ)

212 Not to be confused with the Yee Haw scene in Dr. Strangelove.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 19, 2021 08:13 PM (vuisn)

213 OT

https://legalinsurrection.com/eleven u s mayors call for paying reparations in their cities

Posted by: Skip

Let me take a wild guess... These mayors' voters would receive said reparations.

Posted by: davidt at June 19, 2021 08:13 PM (3Bi4L)

214 Better get ou6t of here
Have a great evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 08:13 PM (Cxk7w)

215 Watched an old yet strangely timely movie this afternoon. "The Young Savages" (1961) with Burt Lancaster and Dina Merrill. It feels like a more earnest "Bonfire of the Vanities", and tackles a lot of the same issues -- ethnic rivalries, gangs, assimilation, the courts, DAs hoping to make political hay of a big case, and disadvantaged youth who didn't do nuthin' wrong. It takes place in Spanish Harlem, the old stomping grounds of Assistant DA Hank Bell (real name Bellini), and begins when three Italian punks leave their turf and stroll into the Puerto Rican section, where they stab a blind Hispanic teen. The DA thinks trying these hoodlums as adults and sending them to the chair will appeal to a fed up public and get him to Gracie Mansion, and puts his Assistant DA on the case. Problem: one of the punks is the son of his old girlfriend. The more Bell digs into the case, the messier it gets, and few things are as they seem. Bell's wife is horrified that these "boys" are going to be tried as adults and chastises the DA and her husband at a party. Bell later sneers at her WASPy third generation progressivism. She changes her tune when this Vassar liberal is literally mugged by re

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:13 PM (Dc2NZ)

216 ality.

Fuck you Pixy.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:13 PM (Dc2NZ)

217 This movie I'm watching right now is a western with a Vampire Cowboy.

Posted by: f'd at June 19, 2021 08:13 PM (Tnijr)

218 212 Not to be confused with the Yee Haw scene in Dr. Strangelove.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 19, 2021 08:13 PM (vuisn)

I did it more as a Yahoooo...than a yee haw!

Posted by: Slim Pickins at June 19, 2021 08:14 PM (BgMrQ)

219 see just about as much talk about Howard Hawks.

Eh...it happens.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:48 PM (LvTSG)

You said everything that could be said. Good job.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 08:14 PM (2DOZq)

220 Best John Wayne movie?

For me it's hard to choose between The Cowboys, The Quiet Man and Sands of Iwo Jima.
Posted by: Just a side note

I'd have to choose between The Searchers and The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 19, 2021 08:16 PM (d9FiS)

221 These teens today Eris.

Posted by: f'd at June 19, 2021 08:16 PM (Tnijr)

222 Speaking of disaster movies, American Airlines eats cock.

Known.

Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:17 PM (W7GZM)

223 222 Speaking of disaster movies, American Airlines eats cock.

Known.
Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:17 PM (W7GZM)

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ZOD!!!

*kneels*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:17 PM (LvTSG)

224 Puddleglum @ 181- I agree on The Outlaw Josey Wales, best movie ever.

Posted by: Eromero at June 19, 2021 08:17 PM (0OP+5)

225 Best criteria for my 10 best war movies was how many times I watched them. Many newer might get there but only seen once or twice so not sure yet.
Posted by: Skip


I watched Das Boot a couple of days ago. I hadn't seen it in a few years. That is arguably the best war movie ever made. A very powerful movie.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at June 19, 2021 08:18 PM (AiZBA)

226 222 Speaking of disaster movies, American Airlines eats cock.

Known.
Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:17 PM (W7GZM)

***United Airlines enters the room***

Ahem...

Posted by: Slim Pickins at June 19, 2021 08:18 PM (BgMrQ)

227 Holy crap I'd love to see a Clockwork Orange done using Section 8 housing and urban yoots in Chicago or Atlanta as the focus.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because America needs a holiday celebrating ignorance of news at June 19, 2021 08:18 PM (mlBAr)

228 206 OT. https://legalinsurrection.com/eleven u s mayors call for paying reparations in their cities
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 08:10 PM (Cxk7w)


Fine. Take it from the tax dollars of all of the slave-owning white Democrat voters of those cities, and ONLY those cities.

After all, Republicans freed the slaves.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at June 19, 2021 08:18 PM (SRRAx)

229 Recently watched a good movie called Coherence. A low budget, but well-made movie about multiple realities that split off after a meteor passes close to earth. Not a special FX movie, but worth a watch

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at June 19, 2021 08:18 PM (sJHOI)

230 /off Dr Strangelove sock

waves to Zod...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:19 PM (BgMrQ)

231 >>ZOD!!!

*kneels*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:17 PM (LvTSG)

Florida was surveyed as a relocation destination last week. Florida failed.

Your home state will now be surveyed.

Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:19 PM (W7GZM)

232 I love "The Thing From Another World". It's based on Campbell's "Who Goes There?" and follows the novel pretty faithfully. The characters are brave and resourceful, not the mercenary blue collar joes of the remake (which I also love). One thing the remake was more faithful at was the mimicking nature of the aliens.

Lots of rapid-fire conversations and overtalk (if that is the right word). "Holy cats!"

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:19 PM (Dc2NZ)

233 The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.
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A history professor friend of mine loves showing that movie to her students. She sets up a special extra credit movie session and brings them pizza (at least until COVID hit last year).

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 08:19 PM (K5n5d)

234 Moron Robbie: I've been calling for that movie for years.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:19 PM (L2ZTs)

235 229 Recently watched a good movie called Coherence. A low budget, but well-made movie about multiple realities that split off after a meteor passes close to earth. Not a special FX movie, but worth a watch
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at June 19, 2021 08:18 PM (sJHOI)
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Thanks! Now in my queue.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:21 PM (Dc2NZ)

236 Jeet:
the argument can be made that it's Spielberg's all-time best.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:21 PM (L2ZTs)

237 At least Rio Lobo wasn't an exact copy of Rio Bravo like El Dorado was.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 19, 2021 08:21 PM (63Dwl)

238 237 At least Rio Lobo wasn't an exact copy of Rio Bravo like El Dorado was.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 19, 2021 08:21 PM (63Dwl)

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Well, the last 30 minutes was.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:21 PM (LvTSG)

239 "I like Shakespeare in Love.
I love the supporting actors, each and every one.
It's a "guilty pleasure viewing"."

Another case of the supporting actors stealing them show.

Posted by: Tuna at June 19, 2021 08:22 PM (gLRfa)

240 "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" is also a great war movie.

Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:22 PM (W7GZM)

241 I think I've seen City Slickers...It's been a long while, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:10 PM (LvTSG)

It i a great early 90s film. Maybe great is being thrown around too much, but it was a very well made movie for what it was trying to do. I even liked City Slickers 2, though it was more of a B movie. There are some good scenes in that one though, like when Lovitz wont stop reciting lines for The Godfather. Also i just like the idea of guys in the middle of nowhere looking for gold. Was it Treasure of the Sierra Madre? No, it was not.

Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:22 PM (gJfTA)

242 Moron Robbie: I've been calling for that movie for years.
Posted by: qdpsteve

**

I'm sort of embarrassed that I've been alive this long and only just now realized how easy and appropriate it would be.

It could never be made, of course.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because America needs a holiday celebrating ignorance of news at June 19, 2021 08:23 PM (mlBAr)

243 I like Crystal on film, someone has to. I like some of the old school jokes like "he is behind me, isn't he?"

Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:23 PM (gJfTA)

244 I've said two of my favorite Westerns takes place in Australia.

Quigley Down Under
Man From Snowy River

Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 08:23 PM (2DOZq)

245 244 I've said two of my favorite Westerns takes place in Australia.

Quigley Down Under
Man From Snowy River
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 08:23 PM (2DOZq)

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The Proposition.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:24 PM (LvTSG)

246 The Road Warrior is sort of a sci-fi western.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:24 PM (L2ZTs)

247 Remember when Jack Palance did one-armed pushups at the Oscars?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:24 PM (Dc2NZ)

248 243 I like Crystal on film, someone has to. I like some of the old school jokes like "he is behind me, isn't he?"
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:23 PM (gJfTA)

Heh...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:24 PM (BgMrQ)

249
I love "The Thing From Another World". One thing the remake was more faithful at was the mimicking nature of the aliens.

The mimicking thing would have been harder to do before the more modern special effects.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 19, 2021 08:25 PM (63Dwl)

250 The Proposition.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:24 PM (LvTSG

Yes very good but not a feel good movie

Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 08:26 PM (2DOZq)

251 I put City Slickers in the same basket with Big.

Sweet movies, not a lot of substance to them, but enjoyable in their own right.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:26 PM (BgMrQ)

252 250 The Proposition.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:24 PM (LvTSG

Yes very good but not a feel good movie
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 08:26 PM (2DOZq)

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"We're not misanthropes. We're a family."
-My spirit animal

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:26 PM (LvTSG)

253 The Longest Yard is a war film

Discuss

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at June 19, 2021 08:26 PM (sJHOI)

254 Great films in the 2000s. It's all subjective, of course, but I think "Flight" (2013) is a great film.

Denzel was at his best. And there were solid supporting performances. Great sfx. And a good story about repentance and redemption.

Posted by: Hands at June 19, 2021 08:28 PM (786Ro)

255 Heh...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:24 PM (BgMrQ)

he does that in both City Slicker films as I recall.

Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:28 PM (gJfTA)

256 Angie Dickinson looking all kinds of yummy.

She is the top and bottom pictures? What a babe.

Posted by: clutch at June 19, 2021 08:28 PM (9UmRs)

257 I mean, stuff like Arsenic and Old Lace, Amadeus,
The Lion in Winter, and all of the Shakespeare stuff was a play first,
so it can be done well.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:58 PM (KZzsI)

+++I don't dislike plays. I have seen a number of them, including a few Shakespeare productions, and the movies you listed were done extremely well. But I've also sat through some very tedious movies that were based on plays where the producer kind of stuck to the original script and abandoned any hope of using other visuals and enhancements.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 19, 2021 08:29 PM (pmLp6)

258 Okay Imma watch "The Chronicles of Riddick: Dark Fury" by Peter Chung (Aeon Flux).

I like the Riddick movies. No H8 H8rz!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:29 PM (Dc2NZ)

259 243 I like Crystal on film, someone has to. I like some of the old school jokes like "he is behind me, isn't he?"
Hahahahaha!

Posted by: The Otter at June 19, 2021 08:29 PM (3Bi4L)

260 I love The Freshman.

RED and RED 2.

The Usual Suspects and LA Confidential are favorites, too.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at June 19, 2021 08:30 PM (SRRAx)

261 257 +++I don't dislike plays. I have seen a number of them, including a few Shakespeare productions, and the movies you listed were done extremely well. But I've also sat through some very tedious movies that were based on plays where the producer kind of stuck to the original script and abandoned any hope of using other visuals and enhancements.
Posted by: washrivergal at June 19, 2021 08:29 PM (pmLp6)

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Hitchcock's first full talkie was an adaptation of a play, Juno and the Paycock.

It's one of his worst movies. It's closed off and dull to watch.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:30 PM (LvTSG)

262 258 Okay Imma watch "The Chronicles of Riddick: Dark Fury" by Peter Chung (Aeon Flux).

I like the Riddick movies. No H8 H8rz!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:29 PM (Dc2NZ)

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Riddick is the best Riddick movie. It's also the only good one.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:30 PM (LvTSG)

263 The Proposition

**

Nick Cave is an outstanding storyteller, especially if you like his particular overall style.

He's got a book titled "And the Ass Saw the Angel" that is great. Disturbing as heck, but great.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because America needs a holiday celebrating ignorance of news at June 19, 2021 08:31 PM (mlBAr)

264 259 243 I like Crystal on film, someone has to. I like some of the old school jokes like "he is behind me, isn't he?"
Hahahahaha!
Posted by: The Otter at June 19, 2021 08:29 PM (3Bi4L)

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

Well played Otter, well played!

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:31 PM (BgMrQ)

265 The Departed is pretty darn good, too.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at June 19, 2021 08:31 PM (SRRAx)

266 Hitchcock's first full talkie was an adaptation of a play, Juno and the Paycock.

What's a paycock ?

Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 08:31 PM (arJlL)

267 "Westward the Women" is a little known and underrated Western.
A ranch owner and his foreman go back East to recruit women to come marry his hands. The main action is the trek West.
I like it because it is gritty, but there is no GrrrrlPower- just
brave women trying to make a better life for themselves.

Posted by: Sal at June 19, 2021 08:32 PM (Uu3D6)

268 Riddick is the best Riddick movie. It's also the only good one.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:30 PM (LvTSG)

***obligatory***

It's no Prometheus...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:32 PM (BgMrQ)

269 Riddick is the best Riddick movie. It's also the only good one.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:30 PM (LvTSG)
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No love for Pitch Black? It's B movie goodness.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:32 PM (Dc2NZ)

270 Okay Imma watch "The Chronicles of Riddick: Dark Fury" by Peter Chung (Aeon Flux).
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Very good and very weird story...definitely in the style of Aeon Flux and well worth watching.

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 08:32 PM (K5n5d)

271 You get me, Lord Squirrel.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:33 PM (Dc2NZ)

272 266 Hitchcock's first full talkie was an adaptation of a play, Juno and the Paycock.

What's a paycock ?
Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 08:31 PM (arJlL)

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If I remember the movie correctly, it's a term for a spendthrift. Colloquial to early 20th century Ireland, I believe.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:33 PM (LvTSG)

273 Movies that would've been improved by a brief, unscripted, brutally violent visit by the Manson Family:

American Beauty
Any Wes Anderson movie
Rudy
Sideways
Animal House
Wedding Crashers

There are others.

Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:33 PM (W7GZM)

274 Red Dawn was great. Reds was ok if you can stand commies. Seeing Red is too commie really. I never saw the French movie Red but many think the serious is well done.

Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:34 PM (gJfTA)

275 269 Riddick is the best Riddick movie. It's also the only good one.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:30 PM (LvTSG)
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No love for Pitch Black? It's B movie goodness.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:32 PM (Dc2NZ)

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I find it really unscary and Riddick himself to be really dull as a character. He's not interesting until Riddick.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:34 PM (LvTSG)

276 The Departed won an Oscar because Goodfellas didn't. Goodfellas was a great film. The only scene I remember from The Departed was the ending. Yes, I hate Matt Damon. (yes, Matt Damon was good in Ford vs. Ferrari and True Grit. Still hate him).

Posted by: Puddleglum at June 19, 2021 08:34 PM (QFVV9)

277 have you ever seen A Walk in the Sun ?

Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 08:01 PM (arJlL)

i have.
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:07 PM (gJfTA)

Just a walk in the sun, the warm Italian sun...

Posted by: Fox2! at June 19, 2021 08:34 PM (qyH+l)

278 MATT DAY-MON.

Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:35 PM (W7GZM)

279 series I meant.

Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:35 PM (gJfTA)

280 273 Movies that would've been improved by a brief, unscripted, brutally violent visit by the Manson Family:
American Beauty
Any Wes Anderson movie
Rudy
Sideways
Animal House
Wedding Crashers
There are others.
Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:33 PM (W7GZM)

Take Animal House (Karen Allen...rawr) and Wedding Crashers (Rachel McAdams yummy) off your list and I agree your Zodness!

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:36 PM (BgMrQ)

281 hahaha, good old Matt Damon, the high school dropout Smart Person who wants to tell us all how to fix Global Warming and who also irreparably damaged his internal organs by making up his own weight loss diet where he did something hilariously stupid like eating one raw potato each day.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because America needs a holiday celebrating ignorance of news at June 19, 2021 08:37 PM (mlBAr)

282 You get me, Lord Squirrel.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:33 PM (Dc2NZ)
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This may be an unpopular opinion, but I really enjoy The Chronicles of Riddick. Is it a good film? No, not really, but it's one of my guilty pleasures...The world building is just weird and twisted, like me.

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 08:37 PM (K5n5d)

283 This week I've been watching the old BBC series, "I, Claudius", which is just great, clever writing and loaded to the gills with great English actors.

However, the lovely and discerning Mrs naturalfake doesn't care for it at all because, "it's too theatrical.".

And she's right, all those great English actors are delivering great British performances using their great plummy theatrical voices. But, I don't care.

Like with "His Girl Friday" or a musical like "My Fair Lady", it doesn't matter whether it's realistic or not as long as I'm entertained and the plot is well-constructed.

The funny thing to me is that some of the people I know who hate musicals or old B&W movies for their unreality love love lurv Quentin Tarantino movies and that guy's never even approached a realistic movie in his whole oeuvre. Ma-a-a-aybe "Jackie Brown" but it too is chock full of unrealism.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 19, 2021 08:38 PM (dWwl8)

284 >>who also irreparably damaged his internal organs by making up his own weight loss diet where he did something hilariously stupid like eating one raw potato each day. Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because America needs a holiday celebrating ignorance of news at June 19, 2021 08:37 PM (mlBAr)

A critic said of 'The Martian' that "there's something salutary in watching Matt Damon's character eat a potato grown in his own shit."

It's as thought the scriptwriter and casting director were, well, geniuses.

Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:40 PM (W7GZM)

285
"Westward the Women" is a little known and underrated Western.

I watch that every time it comes on TV.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 19, 2021 08:40 PM (63Dwl)

286 TJM, I just learned there's gonna be a 4k disc coming out of Kurosawa's 1985 flick, Ran.

As well as the Dr Strangelove 4k disc I've been trying to let you know about... :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:41 PM (L2ZTs)

287 Speaking of "Duel" I don't remember if we ever get to know who is driving that truck.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 19, 2021 08:41 PM (R/m4+)

288 I'll wait for "Women Westward Ho!"

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:41 PM (L2ZTs)

289 Kill Bill is an amazing film.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 19, 2021 08:42 PM (ybIRR)

290 287 Speaking of "Duel" I don't remember if we ever get to know who is driving that truck.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy



You don't. It's never revealed.

Posted by: Puddleglum at June 19, 2021 08:42 PM (QFVV9)

291 286 TJM, I just learned there's gonna be a 4k disc coming out of Kurosawa's 1985 flick, Ran.

As well as the Dr Strangelove 4k disc I've been trying to let you know about... :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:41 PM (L2ZTs)

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Yeah, I comment regularly at Blu-ray.com. I've heard about the Ran 4K release in Britain. It mirrors the Studio Canal release of Nights of Cabiria a bit, a few months before the announcement of the Fellini Criterion boxset.

I'm more convinced than ever that in the next couple of months Criterion will announce a Kurosawa boxset.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:42 PM (LvTSG)

292 Hairyback: Spielberg deliberately made the decision to never show the truck driver in Duel.

But, he (actually his leg is all we ever see, except for one very quick glimpse of his hands) was played by Cory Loftin, who was also the stunt coordinator on Duel.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:42 PM (L2ZTs)

293 Zod?

Dang I thought you hit the mattresses. Just getting ready to throw in with Humongous. Now I have to rethink that.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * mislabeled at June 19, 2021 08:42 PM (Tofb3)

294 Is this how the kids say "bangin'" now? Cuz I thought the soundtrack was terrific.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:04 PM (Dc2NZ)

Is bangin how you kids say rad?

Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 08:43 PM (uEbPt)

295 TJM, thanks for responding. Just wanted to make sure you knew. :-)

Given the trickle of Kubrick 4k releases, I wonder if one or more box sets of those will be forthcoming within a few years.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:43 PM (L2ZTs)

296 287 Speaking of "Duel" I don't remember if we ever get to know who is driving that truck.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy
iirc, you see his feet at the gas station.

Posted by: davidt at June 19, 2021 08:44 PM (3Bi4L)

297 Oops, the guy's name was Carey Loftin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carey_Loftin

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:45 PM (L2ZTs)

298 There are others.

Posted by: ZOD

Driving with Miss Daisy.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * mislabeled at June 19, 2021 08:45 PM (Tofb3)

299 Hairyback and davidt,

The King Of Queens once did a *fantastic* spoof of Duel in an episode where Doug gets his own ice cream truck.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:46 PM (L2ZTs)

300 @286

Ran is the best production of King Lear.

And let's cut to the chase, Kurosawa, may be one
of the top 5 best directors ever.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2021 08:46 PM (Siz82)

301 Take Animal House (Karen Allen...rawr) and Wedding Crashers (Rachel McAdams yummy) off your list and I agree your Zodness!

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:36 PM (BgMrQ)

Animal house was great, to use that lame term i keep using. But Sideways? That was a very good film.

Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:46 PM (gJfTA)

302 Speaking of "Duel" I don't remember if we ever get to know who is driving that truck.


Harrison Ford's boots.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * mislabeled at June 19, 2021 08:46 PM (Tofb3)

303 287 Speaking of "Duel" I don't remember if we ever get to know who is driving that truck.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy
iirc, you see his feet at the gas station.
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That's what's so frightening about it. You never see the villain, making is so much scarier...

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 08:47 PM (K5n5d)

304 Speaking of Kubrick, introducing the Manson Family into "Barry Lyndon" would be worth it for the narrator's wry interpretation.

Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:47 PM (W7GZM)

305 There are others.

Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:33 PM (W7GZM)

Most Sandler and Ferrell movies.

Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 08:47 PM (uEbPt)

306 Thanks everyone! It was a long time ago and I couldn't remember....

That was a great flick.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 19, 2021 08:48 PM (R/m4+)

307 Tropic Thunder is a good war movie,

Posted by: davidt at June 19, 2021 08:49 PM (3Bi4L)

308 290 287 Speaking of "Duel" I don't remember if we ever get to know who is driving that truck.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy


You don't. It's never revealed.
Posted by: Puddleglum at June 19, 2021 08:42 PM (QFVV9)

It's ZOD.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:50 PM (Dc2NZ)

309 >>But Sideways? That was a very good film.
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:46 PM (gJfTA)

"There's something about wine. When you drink it, you think of the people who grew the grapes, the time it took. It's very sentimental. It touches me. Hey, did you hear that? Sounded like...a hippie girl on acid..."

Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:50 PM (W7GZM)

310 Oh no!

It looks like the Ran 4k disc is gonna be a British release only, meaning I'm not sure if the disc will be compatible with American players.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:51 PM (L2ZTs)

311 Turns out being a Vampire Cowboy is a pretty good deal.

Posted by: f'd at June 19, 2021 08:51 PM (Tnijr)

312 "There's something about wine. When you drink it,
you think of the people who grew the grapes, the time it took. It's very
sentimental. It touches me. Hey, did you hear that? Sounded like...a
hippie girl on acid..."

Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:50 PM (W7GZM)

it was foreplay.

Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:52 PM (gJfTA)

313 Tropic Thunder is a good war movie,
Posted by: davidt at June 19, 2021 08:49 PM (3Bi4L)
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Another movie where a supporting actor (Tom Cruise as Les Grossman) steals the show...

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 08:52 PM (K5n5d)

314 310 Oh no!

It looks like the Ran 4k disc is gonna be a British release only, meaning I'm not sure if the disc will be compatible with American players.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:51 PM (L2ZTs)

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4K doesn't have regions. Any 4K disc from any country will work in any player for any country.

I have Escape from New York's 4K from England, and it works perfectly fine in my American 4K player. The Blu-ray disc is limited to Region B and doesn't work, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:52 PM (LvTSG)

315 Speaking of "Duel" I don't remember if we ever get to know who is driving that truck.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy

I just assumed it was Richard Nixon.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 19, 2021 08:52 PM (d9FiS)

316 >>It's ZOD.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:50 PM (Dc2NZ)

Feeling tuckered?
Feeling blue?
Traipse around the
Imperial Petting Zoo.

Burma-ZOD.

Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:53 PM (W7GZM)

317 I recommend the Korean movie The Tiger.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 19, 2021 08:53 PM (ybIRR)

318 Turns out being a Vampire Cowboy is a pretty good deal.

Posted by: f'd at June 19, 2021 08:51 PM (Tnijr)

Are we talking the movie "Near Dark?" that was a good flick.

Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:54 PM (gJfTA)

319 TJM, thanks!
Only drawback left then is that so far, the Ran 4k disc is only available at Amazon's UK site.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:54 PM (L2ZTs)

320 Speaking of "Duel" I don't remember if we ever get to know who is driving that truck.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy


You don't. It's never revealed.
Posted by: Puddleglum at June 19, 2021 08:42 PM (QFVV9)

It's ZOD.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread)

Thread winner and blatant potentate butt kissing.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * mislabeled at June 19, 2021 08:54 PM (Tofb3)

321 4K is region free.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 19, 2021 08:54 PM (dWwl8)

322 naturalfake, thanks!

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:55 PM (L2ZTs)

323 No love for Trilogy of Terror?

Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:55 PM (W7GZM)

324 319 TJM, thanks!
Only drawback left then is that so far, the Ran 4k disc is only available at Amazon's UK site.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:54 PM (L2ZTs)

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Shipping's expensive...

But there will come some third party sellers on Amazon.com who will carry it eventually. Otherwise look through Zavvi or DiabolikDVD. The latter is where I pre-ordered the Arrow release of Dune's 4K.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:55 PM (LvTSG)

325 Quint,

FWIW, my picks were limited to post-2000 movies, so no "Breaker Morant".

There are great movies being made, just not so much in America any more.

Posted by: moviegique at June 19, 2021 08:56 PM (dhFCT)

326 311 Turns out being a Vampire Cowboy is a pretty good deal.
Posted by: f'd
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Near Dark is kind of a Vampire Cowboy movie.

Posted by: Puddleglum at June 19, 2021 08:57 PM (QFVV9)

327 Unless you get hit with a silver bullet with a cross on it.

Posted by: f'd at June 19, 2021 08:57 PM (Tnijr)

328 TJM, thanks yet again. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:57 PM (L2ZTs)

329 I watch Matinee today. The John Goodman one. That's a pretty good movie. And nostalgic for those of a certain age.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 19, 2021 08:57 PM (d9FiS)

330

Grebleips pest control

https://youtu.be/2n-pF8lvYXM

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 19, 2021 08:58 PM (63Dwl)

331 Duke Lowell

How are things with Sandra? I hope she is steady and recovering.

If not, may her passing be swift and painless for her. Nothing can take away the psychic pain.

Prayers still ascending for you and yours.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 19, 2021 08:58 PM (u82oZ)

332 329 I watch Matinee today. The John Goodman one. That's a pretty good movie. And nostalgic for those of a certain age.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 19, 2021 08:57 PM (d9FiS)

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I love the implied joke early about diets. The teacher is talking about how a diet heavy in meats is best, but it's supposed to be funny because the movie was made in the early 90s when we all knew that we had to eat lots of grains and carbs to be healthy...which is not the case.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:58 PM (LvTSG)

333 Trilogy of Terror... Prey, with Karen Black, follows the original short story closely.

Posted by: davidt at June 19, 2021 08:59 PM (3Bi4L)

334 Lonely opinion, I thought "Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter" was very entertaining flick.

Posted by: lowandslow at June 19, 2021 08:59 PM (4thlk)

335 There are great movies being made, just not so much in America any more.

Posted by: moviegique at June 19, 2021 08:56 PM (dhFCT)

I appreciate the reccos there.

Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:59 PM (gJfTA)

336 "Curse of the Undead" on Svengoolie. I give it a one on the binary scale.

Posted by: f'd at June 19, 2021 09:00 PM (Tnijr)

337 Quint

We have a great diversity here. On movies, weapons, music and women.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 19, 2021 09:02 PM (u82oZ)

338 Speaking of "Duel" I don't remember if we ever get to know who is driving that truck.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy

I just assumed it was Richard Nixon.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 19, 2021 08:52 PM (d9FiS)


duh, it was Goldwater

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at June 19, 2021 09:02 PM (sJHOI)

339 334 Lonely opinion, I thought "Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter" was very entertaining flick.
Posted by: lowandslow



You're not alone! It was entertaining.

Posted by: Puddleglum at June 19, 2021 09:03 PM (QFVV9)

340 TJM, thanks for the excellent commentary.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 19, 2021 09:04 PM (jyW7T)

341 Wes Anderson movies are unbearably kitsch. It would be a relief to have McBain crashing through.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 19, 2021 09:05 PM (ybIRR)

342 http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=394345

ONT is nood.

Posted by: BifBewalski - at June 19, 2021 09:05 PM (VcFUs)

343 I love the implied joke early about diets. The teacher is talking about how a diet heavy in meats is best, but it's supposed to be funny because the movie was made in the early 90s when we all knew that we had to eat lots of grains and carbs to be healthy...which is not the case.

-
Gasoline was going for 24.9 a gallon.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 19, 2021 09:06 PM (d9FiS)

344 Wes Anderson movies are unbearably kitsch. It would be a relief to have McBain crashing through.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 19, 2021 09:05 PM (ybIRR)


I find W Anderson's preoccupation with visual symmetry seriously distracting and off-putting

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at June 19, 2021 09:08 PM (sJHOI)

345 Hawks was also the producer (and, if rumor is to be believed, the principal director) of the 1950s sci-fi classic "The Thing". Maybe I'm crazy, but I think it's much better than John Carpenter's film of the same story (John Campbell's "Who Goes There"), in part because it's beautifully paced.

Hawks also had a stylistic tic which makes his style immediately recognizable: he let the actors talk over each other. It gives his scenes a rapid-fire character that brings a lot of energy to his films.

BTW, in "Rio Bravo", I've read that the young gunslinger played by Rick Nelson was originally offered to Elvis, but Colonel Parker turned it down. Elvis would have been great in that part, and seeing him play off of John Wayne and Dean Martin (and Angie Dickinson) would have been classic.

Posted by: Nemo at June 19, 2021 09:10 PM (S6ArX)

346 I prefer El Dorado over Rio Bravo. Same basic movie but better done IMHO.

I just watched Red River for the first time a few weeks ago. Pretty good flick.

As for The Big Sleep, I prefer the Robert Mitchum version. It gets panned by the snobs, but Mitchum is much more Marlowe than Bogart. Bogart is Sam Spade but he is not Marlowe.

IMHO, Bogarts performance in "In a Lonely Place" was his best. A close second is his performance in "The Caine Mutiny".

"I think this is one reason why the film geek community tends to skip over Hawks. It's not that they don't like him, but that they just don't think about him. " I am not sure who you hang with, but in my circle Howard Hawks is mentioned often as a fine director. Must the age group. Mine is older and hence is aware of some of the older directors.

A director to cover is John Sturges. Alot of great action movies.

Posted by: zogger at June 19, 2021 09:11 PM (pJSvF)

347 "I just love the scene where Maximus enters the arena for the first time"

I like the scene when the Roman Cavalry squad ride to his farm, the boy running out to them in joy thinking his father has finally returned, the change in the mother's expression as she watches trampled to death. The sudden shift from hope to horror still gives me chills.

Amazing how much a good director can convey with 15 secs of exposition.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 19, 2021 09:19 PM (83lwH)

348 Thanks for another great movie thread TJM!

Also I just found out, Paramount Presents is releasing both Nashville and Bugsy Malone this fall.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 09:21 PM (L2ZTs)

349 I'll admit that I used to confuse Howard Hawks with Howard Hughes.

I love "His Girl Friday," with the additional bits that weren't in "The Front Page," mostly those with "Diamond Louie" and the very blonde blonde. And the rapid-fire "Gimme the desk!" dialog when Williams escapes is a hoot.

Ironically, I don't care for the Hildy Johnson sex switch. I know the Russell/Grant combo made the film a success, but the angle to get Russell involved feels as if she was shoehorned in.

I should try Hawks' Westerns.

Posted by: Weak Geek (dad of three in their 20s) at June 19, 2021 09:25 PM (Om/di)

350 The scene where he takes command of the gladiators for the first time is also great, barking out orders, good leadership changing ragtag fighters into a lethal team. Every time I see that scene it makes me want to re-enlist LOL

That's what I miss most about the Marine - being part of a wolfpack. Nothing existed within 2000m without our permission. It was glorious.

Also the Emperor's expression as the battle ends in the opening scene. He is so weary of war and now it's finally over.

You know what, I gotta change my vote. Gladiator is definitely the best. So many good scenes.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 19, 2021 09:26 PM (83lwH)

351 "What's the seventh Dune book?"

Chapterhouse.

It goes
1) Dune
2) Dune Messiah
3) Children of Dune
4) God Emperor
5) Heretics
6) Chapterhouse

...oh. Well this is awkward. Sorry to get your hopes up

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 19, 2021 09:28 PM (83lwH)

352 I see what happened here. I always think of God Emperor as the centerpiece, so my mind imagines 3 books on each side of it. Weird.

Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 19, 2021 09:53 PM (83lwH)

353 A key aspect of "His Girl Friday" and the other "Front Page" scripts is how the "reporters" make up details. The best example of this comes in the capture of Earl Williams: "Williams tried to shoot it out, but his gun jammed."

Whole. Cloth.

Posted by: Weak Geek (dad of three in their 20s) at June 19, 2021 10:03 PM (Om/di)

354 .

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at June 19, 2021 10:12 PM (AiZBA)

355 Thanks for the movie thread, especially this week's. It's timing is good, given that my father, a depression-era student and WWII vet, once told me that his favorite film of all was "Red River."

Posted by: Dagwood at June 19, 2021 10:24 PM (K3bk4)

356 I'm one of the few that doesn't think "The Thing" was directed by Hawks, FWIW. I simply think Hawks' influence was all Nyby had to go on and it took him a while to find his own voice.

Posted by: moviegique at June 20, 2021 12:52 AM (dhFCT)

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