Scientist Admits: We Concealed Our Knowledge That a Lab Leak Was Likely Because We Didn't Want to be "Associated With Trump"

When they say "Trust Science," what they really mean, of course, is Trust Scientists.

Should we trust scientists? Should we treat them as if they are not fallible humans, given to bigotries, hatreds, and political agendas, but instead lab-coated earthbound angels sent by God Himself to rectify us?

No. Why no, we should not do that.

Chan was one of 18 scientists who published a letter in the journal Science last month calling for a more in-depth investigation into the virus's origin that takes into account theories about both natural occurrence and laboratory spillovers. The letter helped kick-start a new round of calls to investigate the "lab leak hypothesis," including demands from President Joe Biden and several leading scientists.
And while public discussion of a potential lab leak has shifted significantly in recent months, as more people pay attention to a theory that was originally promulgated by former President Donald Trump and his followers, the scientific evidence has remained unchanged, according to interviews with five virologists who have experience in microbiology, infectious disease ecology and viral evolution.
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The shift reflects how some scientists who previously avoided the topic or were quick to dismiss it are grappling with enduring uncertainties about the virus's origin, free from the politicization that clouded such discussions during the Trump administration.

Passive voice.

Who was doing the politicizing?

You might think it was the Holy Scientists hiding evidence from the public just because a man from the opposite party said something true.

But no, the politicization either spontaneously self-assembled, or was due to the Bad Orange Man.

Chan said there had been trepidation among some scientists about publicly discussing the lab leak hypothesis for fear that their words could be misconstrued or used to support racist rhetoric about how the coronavirus emerged. Trump fueled accusations that the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a research lab in the city where the first Covid-19 cases were reported, was connected to the outbreak, and on numerous occasions he called the pathogen the "Wuhan virus" or "kung flu."
"At the time, it was scarier to be associated with Trump and to become a tool for racists, so people didn't want to publicly call for an investigation into lab origins," she said.

Noting that the virus was released by the Chinese government says nothing about Chinese people. Especially about Chinese Americans.

This entire claim -- that to impugn the Chinese government is to impugn Chinese people generally, even those far outside of China -- is actually Chinese government propaganda.

And Americans who are Maoism-curious are happy to spread Communist Chinese government propaganda.

Not The Bee catalogues the statements of many of these Maoist-Curious people, in the Democrat Party and in the media, who were willing, even eager, to spread Chinese Communist Party propaganda to spare China any uncomfortable inquiry.

And that includes NeverTrump, shockingly enough. I know it's hard to believe, given that they never endorse the hard left's view of things!

EVERYONE called it the “China Virus” or “Wuhan Virus” until Donald Trump did, when suddenly the same media outlets that had previously used those terms decided that, henceforth, those terms were racist. Will @washingtonpost apologize too? How ‘bout @CNN ? pic.twitter.com/iJLOhg51nA
— Baron Von Ayhole (@BaronVonAyhole) March 23, 2021

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1 First.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 17, 2021 03:39 PM (ohOLP)

2 Well it's good to know who our enemies are.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at June 17, 2021 03:39 PM (z5Vrg)

3 Chy-na Virus

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at June 17, 2021 03:39 PM (AiZBA)

4 But I'm so totally rushing to get the vaccine. Totes magotes.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2021 03:40 PM (VWp7G)

5 Scientists have become a bunch of patronage whores just like artists.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2021 03:41 PM (csEWM)

6 Nood was called I saw it.

Posted by: Inogame at June 17, 2021 03:41 PM (53oGX)

7 >>> Well it's good to know who our enemies are.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy

It always has been, and always be, the media.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2021 03:41 PM (VWp7G)

8 Can we say Chinese food anymore?

Posted by: Peeking Duck at June 17, 2021 03:41 PM (34EdY)

9 Besides staffing choices where government employees were assumed to love America, what was Trump ever wrong about?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because America needs a holiday celebrating ignorance of news at June 17, 2021 03:42 PM (S9l8l)

10 The Scooby Doo kids rip the mask off the criminal and IT'S a MIRROR!!

Take that Freddy and Velma!!

Posted by: Just Lily. Thread-Winner Elect at June 17, 2021 03:42 PM (rw1l7)

11 The left politicizes everything, so this is just another argument for getting rid of the left.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 17, 2021 03:42 PM (Y5qcH)

12 >>> Can we say Chinese food anymore?
Posted by: Peeking Duck

You damned sure cannot use the phrase Chinese Checkers, or watch China Beach anymore.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2021 03:42 PM (VWp7G)

13 5 Scientists have become a bunch of patronage whores just like artists.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2021 03:41 PM (csEWM)

Yep, any 'science' institution receiving federal funds is no longer a scientific endeavor but a political one.

You could probably make the same argument for any institution that receives money from big business.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at June 17, 2021 03:42 PM (khAeP)

14 So now we have motive to go along with method and opportunity.

Posted by: Stu Podaso at June 17, 2021 03:43 PM (bivK1)

15 8 Can we say Chinese food anymore?
Posted by: Peeking Duck at June 17, 2021 03:41 PM (34EdY)

Now I want Beef Egg Foo Yung.

Mmmmm, gravy on omelets.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2021 03:43 PM (csEWM)

16 If Trump hadn't been so DAMNED RIGHT all the time, we could have nipped this whole Corona bug in the ass a year ago...

Posted by: Speed Racer's Banana Hammock at June 17, 2021 03:43 PM (RQDhf)

17 The stoopid is strong with these people.

Will I EVER again trust anything that comes from a government scientist? Probably not.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2021 03:43 PM (axyOa)

18 >>>Besides staffing choices where government employees were assumed to love America, what was Trump ever wrong about?
Posted by: Moron Robbie

Good question. Besides staffing choices, he was pretty much right about everything, which the media will acknowledge ten years from now.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2021 03:43 PM (VWp7G)

19 You damned sure cannot use the phrase Chinese Checkers, or watch China Beach anymore.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2021 03:42 PM (VWp7G)

Mmmmm Dana Delany.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2021 03:43 PM (csEWM)

20 Is Trump a one-off, regarding the corruption of scientists? No. No he is not. He is just the great revealer.

~~Global warming~~ ~~climate change~~ climate emergency "science" is no less trust worthy, if not a bit more convoluted and easier to hide the inconvenient truths.

Posted by: flounder at June 17, 2021 03:43 PM (KnJdm)

21 Huh... Imagine that. Science was politicized. Just like every. Thing. Else.

These people need to be pulled into the light and publicly mocked and scorned before being sent off to China with no return ticket.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 17, 2021 03:44 PM (AL0d+)

22 When they say "Trust Science," what they really mean, of course, is
--------

"Obey the Left"

Posted by: ... at June 17, 2021 03:44 PM (o698E)

23 Will I EVER again trust anything that comes from a government scientist? Probably not.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2021 03:43 PM (axyOa)

ANY scientist. It wasn't just the government ones who hid this.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 17, 2021 03:44 PM (jOcSX)

24 "At the time, it was scarier to be associated with Trump and to become a tool for racists, so people didn't want to publicly call for an investigation into lab origins," she said.
++++
:: checks rule book ::

Yup, it's confirmed. That's politics. That ain't science.

:: checks the next book ::

Yup. Eisenhower was right.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 03:44 PM (Jsjd7)

25 Calling the Chinese Virus the Chinese virus is not racist in the least.

And, any animosity I may have with the Chinese is not because of race.
It is because they are godless fucking communists hell bent on destroying my country.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 17, 2021 03:45 PM (ufFY8)

26 Chan: "We thought your dumb rednecks couldn't tell the difference between Chinese-Americans and the evil ChiCom government, so we lied."

Posted by: Eddie Baby at June 17, 2021 03:45 PM (wpJDK)

27 Global warming climate change climate emergency "science" is no less trust worthy, if not a bit more convoluted and easier to hide the inconvenient truths.
Posted by: flounder at June 17, 2021 03:43 PM (KnJdm)

This year has been cooler than any I can remember so far. Do I see anyone mention this aside from the occasional 'Ron anecdote? Nope.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2021 03:45 PM (csEWM)

28 How many lives did that cost, I wonder? Not that the ChiComs give a shit how many people they kill in their quest to take over the world...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at June 17, 2021 03:45 PM (HaL55)

29 Dana Delany or Marg Helgenberger?

Posted by: when the Ginger-Mary Ann wars have become stale at June 17, 2021 03:45 PM (h5TKJ)

30 Is Trump a one-off, regarding the corruption of scientists? No. No he is not. He is just the great revealer.

Global warming climate change climate emergency "science" is no less trust worthy, if not a bit more convoluted and easier to hide the inconvenient truths.
Posted by: flounder at June 17, 2021 03:43 PM (KnJdm)

Imagine the back-tracking if Trump were to say something positive about climate change.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2021 03:46 PM (axyOa)

31 Concetta Tomei! RRRRRowr!!

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 17, 2021 03:46 PM (L2ZTs)

32 The Dems and the Media colluded to get rid of Trump and they used the virus as a convenient tool to do it.

Posted by: f'd at June 17, 2021 03:46 PM (Tnijr)

33 Calling the Chinese Virus the Chinese virus is not racist in the least.

And, any animosity I may have with the Chinese is not because of race.
It is because they are godless fucking communists hell bent on destroying my country.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 17, 2021 03:45 PM (ufFY

++++
No, it isn't racist. Or xenophobic. My only complaint about "China Virus" is that it's imprecise. China's a huge place. It would be like having an "America Virus."

I always preferred "Wuhan virus" for this reason.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 03:46 PM (Jsjd7)

34 imagine being so insecure about your own inclinations you'd smother them to not agree with Trump. That takes dumbassery to whole nuther level.

Posted by: DanMan at June 17, 2021 03:46 PM (aUOqu)

35 I am still sticking with Chinese Lung AIDS personally. Perfect ever since ace coined it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2021 03:46 PM (csEWM)

36 Waiting for Tom Nichols to put down the party sub and opine on this before I decide whether this is enough reason to be slightly skeptical of the experts.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 17, 2021 03:46 PM (KbCG3)

37 They would rather people die than have their friends think they might have icky political beliefs.

Behold the grandeur of science.

Posted by: Cybernetic at June 17, 2021 03:46 PM (xawZJ)

38 I don't think Trump ever called it the "Kung Flu", yet this libel keeps getting reported and repeated.

I think that fat beast Yamaguchi mentioned that "someone" called it that in front of her, but no one ever said it was trump.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 03:46 PM (mR6Gs)

39 Science based on politics, nice going A-holes

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2021 03:46 PM (Cxk7w)

40 29 Dana Delany or Marg Helgenberger?
Posted by: when the Ginger-Mary Ann wars have become stale at June 17, 2021 03:45 PM (h5TKJ)

Dana Delany. Hands down. No competition.

Those tight white shirts...

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2021 03:47 PM (csEWM)

41 Anyone ever think about asking the Left what they trust about the Science of the book The Bell Curve?

Posted by: ... at June 17, 2021 03:47 PM (o698E)

42
ANY scientist. It wasn't just the government ones who hid this.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 17, 2021 03:44 PM (jOcSX)

Good point. I know a few personally and I would probably go along with them...once they took me through the calculations. But otherwise...yeah. None.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2021 03:47 PM (axyOa)

43 Galileo said what he had to say to keep from getting burned. That's science!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 17, 2021 03:47 PM (d9FiS)

44 It's amazing how Trump turned everyone into Jenny Gump's abusive ex-boyfriend.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 17, 2021 03:47 PM (KbCG3)

45 I wonder how many of these scientists were in league with the Ccp

Posted by: CN at June 17, 2021 03:47 PM (ONvIw)

46 Related to this, I'm really interested in seeing how many people don't get the flu shot this year. I suspect they've really shot themselves in the foot with this political bullsh*t.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because America needs a holiday celebrating ignorance of news at June 17, 2021 03:47 PM (XTk1T)

47 imagine being so insecure about your own inclinations you'd smother them to not agree with Trump. That takes dumbassery to whole nuther level.
Posted by: DanMan at June 17, 2021 03:46 PM (aUOqu)
++++
I disagree. It isn't insecurity. It's hate. Naked, vicious, evil hate. They hate Trump and everything he stands for. They will not agree with him on anything. This isn't because they're unsure or uncomfortable, it's because they are defined by hatred.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 03:47 PM (Jsjd7)

48 Ah, more lies.

President Trump deserves an apology from these chumps.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 17, 2021 03:47 PM (8VdmT)

49 It is the ideology of communism I despise, and I don't trust those who harbor it.

Unfortunately, I must assume Chinese government leaders, and any Chinese in this country with their government's approval fall into that category, until otherwise proven.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 17, 2021 03:47 PM (ufFY8)

50 So how did an FIB informant get VIP seating at a rally for someone who was under investigation?

Posted by: ... at June 17, 2021 03:47 PM (o698E)

51 hahaha, NOW I understand what "political science" means. All these years I'd always misunderstood.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because America needs a holiday celebrating ignorance of news at June 17, 2021 03:48 PM (XTk1T)

52 "At the time, it was scarier to be associated with Trump and to become a
tool for racists, so people didn't want to publicly call for an
investigation into lab origins," she said.

Oh, you were more scared of the mean things people might say than the Kung Flu Panda-demic? Then I guess the Kung Flu wasn't all that deadly, was it?!

Posted by: pookysgirl, poppin ze korn at June 17, 2021 03:48 PM (XKZwp)

53 Hive of villainy and scum.

Posted by: Seems legit at June 17, 2021 03:48 PM (OhBMk)

54 38 I don't think Trump ever called it the "Kung Flu", yet this libel keeps getting reported and repeated.

I think that fat beast Yamaguchi mentioned that "someone" called it that in front of her, but no one ever said it was trump.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 03:46 PM (mR6Gs)

Really not a fan of Kellyanne Conway, but her brightest moment was calling that nonsense out in front of the press scrum trying to trap her. They shut up right quick when she called Yamaguchi out.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 17, 2021 03:48 PM (mdjgu)

55 I remember getting into arguments with my wife that everything really was about Trump and her thinking I was crazy.

We really were right about everything.

It's just such a fucked up world we live in now, everything has become politicized to where we can't even deal with a virus anymore without it being the focus.

Posted by: Blago at June 17, 2021 03:48 PM (PwNLq)

56 44 It's amazing how Trump turned everyone into Jenny Gump's abusive ex-boyfriend.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 17, 2021 03:47 PM (KbCG3)

Nice pull. That son of a bitch, Nixon!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2021 03:48 PM (csEWM)

57 I wonder how much of this sudden turn of events towards the truth has to do with the Chinese defector.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at June 17, 2021 03:48 PM (o5N6D)

58 Kung Flu isn't even freaking racist.

"Chink-ungunya", on the other hand....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 17, 2021 03:48 PM (6FeV1)

59 Sino sinus syphilis. H/t to Sefton. Oh, and happy birthday JJ.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 17, 2021 03:49 PM (AL0d+)

60 When they say "Trust Science," what they really mean, of course, is Trust Scientists.

------

When they say "Trust Science," what they really mean, of course, is Trust Agenda-Driven Lefty Scientists.

Posted by: ShainS at June 17, 2021 03:49 PM (cehcY)

61 Yes, Biden signs the Bill making a Holiday to enshrine the Historic Ignorance of a Racial group!

Next up? Polish Joke Day!

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 17, 2021 03:49 PM (oHd/0)

62 Can we say Chinese food anymore?Posted by: Peeking DuckYou damned sure cannot use the phrase Chinese Checkers, or watch China Beach anymore.

I sure can and do.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at June 17, 2021 03:49 PM (HaL55)

63 Chan: "We thought your dumb rednecks couldn't tell the difference between Chinese-Americans and the evil ChiCom government, so we lied."
Posted by: Eddie Baby at June 17, 2021 03:45 PM (wpJDK)

-----------

*whistles aimlessly*
*kicks shoes in the dirt*
*avoids eye contact*

Posted by: black New Yorkers at June 17, 2021 03:49 PM (RQDhf)

64 Dana Delany or Marg Helgenberger?
Posted by: when the Ginger-Mary Ann wars have become stale at June 17, 2021 03:45 PM (h5TKJ)

Dana Delany. Hands down. No competition.

Those tight white shirts...
Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2021 03:47 PM (csEWM)

This.
Helgenberger be like...Are you through yet?
Delany be like...have you seen ALL the things you can do with whipped cream?

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2021 03:49 PM (axyOa)

65 ANY scientist. It wasn't just the government ones who hid this.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 17, 2021 03:44 PM (jOcSX)
++++
This entire Wuhan virus experience might be something from which the scientific establishment cannot recover. They nearly did themselves in on Global Warming, and then there's this slow-motion, year-long debacle.

That's a bad thing, on balance. Trustworthy scientific enterprise is pretty damn important. And it's gone. Like a fart in the wind.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 03:49 PM (Jsjd7)

66 Who was more 'hated'?:

Trump? Or Nixon?

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 17, 2021 03:49 PM (iTXRQ)

67 What exactly make a porcelain plate "China?"

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 17, 2021 03:49 PM (63Dwl)

68 I don't think Trump ever called it the "Kung Flu", yet this libel keeps getting reported and repeated.

**

So far as I know, I'm the one who came up with "Kung Flu Grippe"

I'm still fairly proud of that one, although not many people get the "grippe" part.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because America needs a holiday celebrating ignorance of news at June 17, 2021 03:49 PM (XTk1T)

69 Many, many doctoral student and post docs are foreign a d not American, Chinese American or any other type.

Posted by: CN at June 17, 2021 03:49 PM (ONvIw)

70 38 I don't think Trump ever called it the "Kung Flu", yet this libel keeps getting reported and repeated.

I think that fat beast Yamaguchi mentioned that "someone" called it that in front of her, but no one ever said it was trump.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 03:46 PM (mR6Gs)

Didn't Kellyanne expose this bullshit? Asked her point blank to name the person who said it and she refused. Which is understandable, given that she supposedly had a member of such a racist administration dead to rights on being racist but just couldn't find it within her heart to ruin their life.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 17, 2021 03:49 PM (KbCG3)

71 Get used to this

When we finally get the truth about January 6th, we'll hear that some Capital Hill police brass "didn't really think it was an Insurrection, but didn't want to be seem as questioning the outcome of the election...."

Or when the FRAUD ELECTION is finally admitted to, "we knew there was widespread cheating, but we didn't want to help Trump the racist..."

Watch

Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 03:49 PM (mR6Gs)

72 The lie about China is major, no doubt. But it's the mindless lies about HCQ that killed more than half a million people.

You can't have science without religion (especially Christianity) because a godless man is worse than useless. Why wouldn't they be without morals or responsibility?

Posted by: trev006 at June 17, 2021 03:50 PM (Zg11O)

73 >>> "At the time, it was scarier to be associated with Trump and to become a tool for racists,"

Why are they racists? Because they are the enemy. Why are they the enemy? Because they are racists.

This sort of system deadlock cannot be resolved within the rules and bounds of the system. Said another way, we are not voting ourselves out of this.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 17, 2021 03:50 PM (+BMD8)

74 Its racist to call it the China Virus and to say it came from a lab leak. Instead go with the approved non-racist origin. Covid happened because Chinese people like bat soup with a side of pangolin.

Posted by: buzzion at June 17, 2021 03:50 PM (vMCab)

75 yep Joe, you're right
and a lot of them want us dead too

Posted by: DanMan at June 17, 2021 03:50 PM (aUOqu)

76 there's science

and then there's Scieintz™

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 17, 2021 03:50 PM (iTXRQ)

77 60 When they say "Trust Science," what they really mean, of course, is Trust Scientists.

When they say "Trust Science," what they really mean, of course, is Trust Agenda-Driven Lefty Scientists.
Posted by: ShainS at June 17, 2021 03:49 PM (cehcY)

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

Posted by: Dwight Eisenhower... at June 17, 2021 03:51 PM (oHd/0)

78 66 Who was more 'hated'?:

Trump? Or Nixon?
Posted by: DB- just DB at June 17, 2021 03:49 PM (iTXRQ)

We'll see in 20 years.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2021 03:51 PM (csEWM)

79 I think that fat beast Yamaguchi mentioned that "someone" called it that in front of her, but no one ever said it was trump.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 03:46 PM (mR6Gs)

Didn't Kellyanne expose this bullshit? Asked her point blank to name the person who said it and she refused. Which is understandable, given that she supposedly had a member of such a racist administration dead to rights on being racist but just couldn't find it within her heart to ruin their life.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 17, 2021 03:49 PM (KbCG3)

I remember Yamaguchi stating it as FACT in a question directly to Trump at one of his briefings.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 03:51 PM (mR6Gs)

80 Alina Chan is from Canada. I would not be surprised if 30-60% were not citizens.

Posted by: CN at June 17, 2021 03:52 PM (ONvIw)

81 Good point. I know a few personally and I would
probably go along with them...once they took me through the
calculations. But otherwise...yeah. None.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2021 03:47 PM (axyOa)

True fact: 9/10 scientists agree with their funders.

Posted by: flounder at June 17, 2021 03:52 PM (KnJdm)

82 You damned sure cannot use the phrase Chinese Checkers, or watch China Beach anymore.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2021 03:42 PM (VWp7G)

"China Syndrome" seems awfully ironic right now.....

Posted by: pookysgirl, poppin ze korn at June 17, 2021 03:52 PM (XKZwp)

83 A nation of cucks is not a good prospect for the Republic.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 17, 2021 03:52 PM (nI1Kq)

84 The lie about China is major, no doubt. But it's the mindless lies about HCQ that killed more than half a million people.

You can't have science without religion (especially Christianity) because a godless man is worse than useless. Why wouldn't they be without morals or responsibility?
Posted by: trev006 at June 17, 2021 03:50 PM (Zg11O)
++++
That one is two-fold problem. Denying any investigation into origins is straight partisanship and CCP loyalty (or terror - and I don't care which).

Denying therapeutic regimens that work - first HCQ+Zinc and later the wildly more effective Ivermectin - is a more complex manifestation of the problem. It involves hatred, partisanship, CCP loyalty, old-fashioned corruption, scientific establishment tyranny, gross incompetence, malicious actions by the public health authorities, and more.

The origins investigation is fairly simple to explain. The suppression of effective therapies is a lot more involved - and far more evil.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 03:52 PM (Jsjd7)

85 to say it
came from a lab leak.
Posted by: buzzion at June 17, 2021 03:50 PM (vMCab)

Why are you looking at me?

Posted by: Confused Black Lab at June 17, 2021 03:52 PM (ufFY8)

86 I. AM. ~~SPARTACUS~~ SCIENCE!

For I am the LORD FAUCI, who takes hold of your left stand and says to you, "Do not fear; I will help you."

Posted by: ShainS at June 17, 2021 03:52 PM (cehcY)

87 The lie about China is major, no doubt. But it's the mindless lies about HCQ that killed more than half a million people.

***

Yep. Those people had to die, and all because Trump said pussy.

Ivermectin, too. I'm on it, and the paperwork from a major chain pharmacy has a warning saying "Don't take this as a prophylactic for COVID unless you're in a study!!!"

Maybe the safest medicine ever made, and they hate the idea of people taking a two cent pill instead of the $2000 vaccine.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because America needs a holiday celebrating ignorance of news at June 17, 2021 03:52 PM (XTk1T)

88 Will John Stewart have some clever jokes about this new revelation?

Posted by: TexasDan at June 17, 2021 03:52 PM (ohOLP)

89 there's science

and then there's Scieintz

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 17, 2021 03:50 PM (iTXRQ)

And then there's snizzience, as someone coined earlier.

Posted by: flounder at June 17, 2021 03:53 PM (KnJdm)

90 This entire Wuhan virus experience might be something from which the scientific establishment cannot recover. They nearly did themselves in on Global Warming, and then there's this slow-motion, year-long debacle.

That's a bad thing, on balance. Trustworthy scientific enterprise is pretty damn important. And it's gone. Like a fart in the wind.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 03:49 PM (Jsjd7)

It's why I keep comparing the West to failing corporations. The managerial class have all the proper credentials, but no skill, and they've been burning through capital like crazy just trying to stay afloat. In this case it's social, political, economic, and cultural capital.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 17, 2021 03:53 PM (jOcSX)

91 Will John Stewart have some clever jokes . . . .

Posted by: TexasDan at June 17, 2021 03:52 PM (ohOLP)

No.

Posted by: flounder at June 17, 2021 03:53 PM (KnJdm)

92 The origins investigation is fairly simple to explain. The suppression of effective therapies is a lot more involved - and far more evil.

**

This.

I think some countries made Ivermectin illegal once it was shown to be effective.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because America needs a holiday celebrating ignorance of news at June 17, 2021 03:53 PM (XTk1T)

93 So nice to see that the spirit of Trofim Lysenko lives on.

Politicized science FTW!!!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 17, 2021 03:53 PM (guGkK)

94 It's why I keep comparing the West to failing corporations. The managerial class have all the proper credentials, but no skill, and they've been burning through capital like crazy just trying to stay afloat. In this case it's social, political, economic, and cultural capital.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 17, 2021 03:53 PM (jOcSX)
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Yeah. I like your metaphor. I use it sometimes.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 03:54 PM (Jsjd7)

95 That's a bad thing, on balance. Trustworthy scientific enterprise is pretty damn important. And it's gone. Like a fart in the wind.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 03:49 PM (Jsjd7)

Its the scientific Government complex. Interesting thing. Do you know who holds most of the Patents on the new Vaccines? Its the same Doctors who sit on the Government Board that recommends approval of Vaccines.

Its the same crap as global warming 'studies'. Government funded, if you are a warmist... no funding if you are not, so of COURSE all the studies say it's real.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 17, 2021 03:54 PM (oHd/0)

96 I got my doctor to call in a HCQ subscription a year ago. Doc told me to give him the number to a local family owned type pharmacy because the national chains wouldn't fill it.

They were all in on it.

Posted by: DanMan at June 17, 2021 03:55 PM (aUOqu)

97 Will John Stewart have some clever jokes . . . .

Posted by: TexasDan at June 17, 2021 03:52 PM (ohOLP)

No.
Posted by: flounder at June 17, 2021 03:53 PM (KnJdm)

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Never forget -- in 2012, he claimed that all of us who were even remotely critical of Obama lived in a fantasy-land he called "Bullshit Mountain."

He was a blind pig on Colbert who just so happened to come across a truth-truffle.

Posted by: Speed Racer's Banana Hammock at June 17, 2021 03:55 PM (RQDhf)

98
True fact: 9/10 scientists agree with their funders.
Posted by: flounder at June 17, 2021 03:52 PM (KnJdm)

When I worked for a large NW-based Defense and Aerospace company, I worked from time to time in the lab area where we did some...research. It was fascinating. And they weren't afraid to tell the bosses no.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2021 03:55 PM (axyOa)

99 43 Galileo said what he had to say to keep from getting burned. That's science!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 17, 2021 03:47 PM (d9FiS)

There was an interesting discussion thread on Galileo a few days ago, basically asserting that everything we were taught about his arrest in imprisonment was downright false.

TL;DR - Galileo was an obstinate nut, and he used up the patience of his Papal benefactors.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 17, 2021 03:55 PM (mdjgu)

100 You damned sure cannot use the phrase Chinese Checkers, or watch China Beach anymore.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2021 03:42 PM (VWp7G)

And a "Chinese fire drill" is gone forever.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 17, 2021 03:55 PM (guGkK)

101 This pretty woman with a nice smile and dimples doesn't like hanging out with racists. That's why she'd rather hang out with you guys than a bunch of Lefty government assholes:
https://is.gd/ZvRZ4o

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 03:55 PM (Jsjd7)

102 Why are you looking at me?
Posted by: Confused Black Lab at June 17, 2021 03:52 PM (ufFY

It was the yellow lab!!!

Posted by: Getting the banned back together at June 17, 2021 03:56 PM (82iOE)

103 I really fear that The Republic is irrevocably changed from what it was just a few years ago

We peaked and we are now on a decline.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 03:56 PM (mR6Gs)

104 Its the scientific Government complex. Interesting thing. Do you know who holds most of the Patents on the new Vaccines? Its the same Doctors who sit on the Government Board that recommends approval of Vaccines.

Its the same crap as global warming 'studies'. Government funded, if you are a warmist... no funding if you are not, so of COURSE all the studies say it's real.
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 17, 2021 03:54 PM (oHd/0)
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Yup. Eisenhower was right.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 03:56 PM (Jsjd7)

105 It's why I keep comparing the West to failing corporations. The managerial class have all the proper credentials, but no skill, and they've been burning through capital like crazy just trying to stay afloat. In this case it's social, political, economic, and cultural capital.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 17, 2021 03:53 PM (jOcSX)

Its worse. We now have political families inheriting power structures... and the Kids who now hold that power, ain't worth a damn as they did not earn said power.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 17, 2021 03:56 PM (oHd/0)

106 Yep. Those people had to die, and all because Trump said pussy.

Ivermectin, too. I'm on it, and the paperwork from a major chain pharmacy has a warning saying "Don't take this as a prophylactic for COVID unless you're in a study!!!"

Maybe the safest medicine ever made, and they hate the idea of people taking a two cent pill instead of the $2000 vaccine.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because America needs a holiday celebrating ignorance of news at June 17, 2021 03:52 PM (XTk1T)

The thing is, nobody actually cares that Trump said pussy. They care that he governed as a man of the people conservative, a politician who did what he said he would do.

That thousands could've been saved by a cheap drug, from a pandemic whose origins would've been exposed a year go, is immaterial because Trump wasn't one of them (and also, he said pussy).

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 17, 2021 03:56 PM (KbCG3)

107 What republic?

Posted by: SMH at June 17, 2021 03:57 PM (YoCgm)

108 We peaked and we are now on a decline.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 03:56 PM (mR6Gs)
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This was true probably around ca. 1998. Maybe a bit earlier. Trump was an attempt to arrest the decline and turn the ship around.

That failed. The decline had built up too much momentum.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 03:57 PM (Jsjd7)

109 I don't think Trump ever called it the "Kung Flu", yet this libel keeps getting reported and repeated.

I think that fat beast Yamaguchi mentioned that "someone" called it that in front of her, but no one ever said it was trump.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 03:46 PM (mR6Gs)

...

How is that such a horrible pejorative anyway?

It used to be that we understood humor to be a useful way to deal with adversity. Sometimes even very dark humor.

Word play involving martial arts and the origin of a virus is pretty harmless.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 17, 2021 03:57 PM (ohOLP)

110 He was a blind pig on Colbert who just so happened to come across a truth-truffle.

**

No, it was all staged and completely on purpose in order to allow Democrats the opportunity to agree with Smart People and not racist conspiracy theorists.

They're actors. It was all an act. It was no different than what this post is about, where people had to die so that Trump didn't look capable and understanding and effective.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because America needs a holiday celebrating ignorance of news at June 17, 2021 03:57 PM (XTk1T)

111 It has been a long standing practice by the scientific community to name virus outbreaks by point of origin, the type of virus and the year of out break.

So calling it the Wuhan Covid-19 virus is standard practice.

Anything else is bullshit face saving for the Chinese Communist government.

Posted by: Darth Randall at June 17, 2021 03:57 PM (3TihK)

112 Scientist Admits: We Concealed Our Knowledge That a Lab Leak Was Likely Because We Didn't Want to be "Associated With Trump"

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This is how you discredit science and medicine in one fell swoop.

Who's to say everything they've been telling us about diet and food is also BS just to keep us fat and docile while the elites don't follow their own advice and are thin, also known as the beautiful people.

And what about allergies, cancer and every other illness? How am I to believe them now?

Posted by: President Select Decaf at June 17, 2021 03:57 PM (RMGKK)

113 Maybe the safest medicine ever made, and they hate the idea of people taking a two cent pill instead of the $2000 vaccine.

They cannot possibly be that hard up for money.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at June 17, 2021 03:57 PM (HaL55)

114 And they weren't afraid to tell the bosses no.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2021 03:55 PM (axyOa)

Bosses aren't the funders. Funders in that industry are governments. "Of course we can make spaced-based sharks with frickin laser eyes. We have one in development right now."

Posted by: flounder at June 17, 2021 03:57 PM (KnJdm)

115 103 I really fear that The Republic is irrevocably changed from what it was just a few years ago

We peaked and we are now on a decline.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 03:56 PM (mR6Gs

====

Decline is a choice.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts at June 17, 2021 03:57 PM (lUMxW)

116 Never forget -- in 2012, he claimed that all of us who were even remotely critical of Obama lived in a fantasy-land he called "Bullshit Mountain."

He was a blind pig on Colbert who just so happened to come across a truth-truffle.
Posted by: Speed Racer's Banana Hammock at June 17, 2021 03:55 PM (RQDhf)

This. Oddly, I am not against forgiveness if I thought he would never do more than this. He is not a traitor at least.

Still, he would have to do a damn sight more.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2021 03:57 PM (csEWM)

117 89 there's science

and then there's Scieintz

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 17, 2021 03:50 PM (iTXRQ)

Like PsyOps, this should be called "psy-ence."

Posted by: Speed Racer's Banana Hammock at June 17, 2021 03:58 PM (RQDhf)

118 Yup. Eisenhower was right.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 03:56 PM (Jsjd7)

Funny how that worked.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2021 03:58 PM (csEWM)

119 Is it racist to eat on my fine China?

Posted by: Jen the original at June 17, 2021 03:58 PM (PUgdh)

120 Not sure why the picture of rookie Cleveland Browns middle linebacker M. McCain was included in this post, but hey, your blog, your choice!

Posted by: Muldoon at June 17, 2021 03:59 PM (Fc5rx)

121 I really fear that The Republic is irrevocably changed from what it was just a few years ago

We peaked and we are now on a decline.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 03:56 PM (mR6Gs)

**

I'm truly shocked at how badly they're beating us just in the five months after Joe was given the office. Gas prices, inflation, etc.

It's spiteful and on purpose. They hate us and intend to punish us.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because America needs a holiday celebrating ignorance of news at June 17, 2021 03:59 PM (XTk1T)

122 The next virus that comes from China probably won't be as benign as this one. But it won't matter because 50% of the country won't believe a damn thing out of the scientist's mouths. That will cause problems.

Posted by: Megthered at June 17, 2021 03:59 PM (UpygZ)

123 Yup. Eisenhower was right.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 03:56 PM (Jsjd7)

Eisenhower owned slaves. CANCEL!!!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 17, 2021 03:59 PM (guGkK)

124 I don't think any logical intelligent person does not now know for certain that those on the left, if they knew they could just push a button to kill people who disagreed with them with total impunity, would stand in line for days to push that button, over and over again.

The denial of use of Covid therapies that would have worked to save 100's of thousands of lives is just a version of that button.

Posted by: Boswell at June 17, 2021 03:59 PM (5iUNf)

125 And Americans who are Maoism-curious are happy to spread Communist Chinese government propaganda.

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"Fortunately, we're only Maoism-adjacent." -- D.C. Swamp and #NeverTrump

Posted by: ShainS at June 17, 2021 03:59 PM (cehcY)

126 Trust the science you suggest?
How many times have we heard "Peak Oil"?
How many times have we heard "The world is going to freeze or fry, Freon, CO2.
Scientist report what they have been paid to report.
When a crisis is needed the next one is pulled out of their barrel, it's dusted off and then pumped up and shined up with new study/ies.

Not a lot of *science* goes into any reporting when the reporters all went to D school (and scored the same letter in science classes).

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 17, 2021 03:59 PM (Fq5Uj)

127 One problem we face is that the narrative infects EVERYTHING.

Consider that the LIVs were lied to, and believed, the lockdowns worked, masks worked, the virus was natural, etc.
You find yourself in a discussion where you are saying "EVERYTHING IS A LIE" and it is much, much harder then just being able to point out individual lies.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2021 03:59 PM (DpkTQ)

128
Never forget -- in 2012, he claimed that all of us who were even remotely critical of Obama lived in a fantasy-land he called "Bullshit Mountain."

He was a blind pig on Colbert who just so happened to come across a truth-truffle.
Posted by: Speed Racer's Banana Hammock at June 17, 2021 03:55 PM (RQDhf

Jon Stewart was always unfunny and mediocre but he became fabulously wealthy by helping to destroy our political and social discourse.

He probably knows it too--which is why he looks prematurely old.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 03:59 PM (mR6Gs)

129 I'm old enough to remember when Joe Biden shut down the taskforce investigating the China Flu origin.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 17, 2021 04:00 PM (yQpMk)

130 112 no idea. When medicine is all in on transgender, you know it's political ( and the reason I retired early).

Posted by: CN at June 17, 2021 04:00 PM (ONvIw)

131 Why didn't Trump press that China created Covid?

What I get so frustrated about (to the point I'm largely checking out of politics) is not only is the deck stacked against us, our team feels completely incompetent at every level.

GOPe is worthless and I felt Trump and his team was completely worthless as well (although at least they were trying to do the right thing)

Posted by: Blago at June 17, 2021 04:00 PM (PwNLq)

132 If you have a bunch of letters behind your name, I don't trust you.

Posted by: SMH at June 17, 2021 04:00 PM (YoCgm)

133 "my sing song gal, my little yellow Cinderella"
https://youtu.be/AofPR2NrPMY

Posted by: Getting the banned back together at June 17, 2021 04:00 PM (82iOE)

134 If criticizing the actions of the Chinese government is anti-asian racism, is criticizing the American government anti-every race racism?

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2021 04:00 PM (DpkTQ)

135 Kellyanne calling out the CBS reporter.

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=386415

Posted by: buzzion at June 17, 2021 04:00 PM (vMCab)

136 He probably knows it too--which is why he looks prematurely old./i]

I figured it was the HIV.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 17, 2021 04:00 PM (yQpMk)

137 You know, it would be racist not to hang scientists and women too.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at June 17, 2021 04:00 PM (rB4m/)

138 The next virus that comes from China probably won't be as benign as this one

**

The next virus will be engineered to interact with the MRNA vaccines.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because America needs a holiday celebrating ignorance of news at June 17, 2021 04:00 PM (XTk1T)

139 The real pandemic is irrationality. There is always some around. The Left is where it lives. Screw them, they are always wrong about everything, Everything.

Posted by: klaftern at June 17, 2021 04:01 PM (r4sI4)

140 And what about allergies, cancer and every other illness? How am I to believe them now?
Posted by: President Select Decaf at June 17, 2021 03:57 PM (RMGKK)

They just admitted, again, that they lie. You should never believe tbem

Posted by: tbodie at June 17, 2021 04:01 PM (VzbI8)

141 "At the time, it was scarier to be associated with Trump and to become a tool for racists,"

All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men
to be too scared to do what they know is right.

Posted by: LASue at June 17, 2021 04:01 PM (Ed8Zd)

142 ne problem we face is that the narrative infects EVERYTHING.

Consider that the LIVs were lied to, and believed, the lockdowns worked, masks worked, the virus was natural, etc.
You find yourself in a discussion where you are saying "EVERYTHING IS A LIE" and it is much, much harder then just being able to point out individual lies.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2021 03:59 PM (DpkTQ)

Exactly, and this is why we won't get out of this peacefully, because THAT would take MILLIONS of people to admit that their Entire World View is Wrong and A LIE

Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 04:01 PM (mR6Gs)

143 "CCP Virus" iirc, became the "term of art" used by some real journalists that wanted to point out it was the CCP that covered up the leak and deliberately spread it around the world.

Bannon also always speaks of the CCP, not "China", when referring to our enemy. Some good reporting was coming out of Hong Kong before they were taken over by the CCP ... but yes, Chinese people in America (what percent are CCP owned and operated?) can have great "pride" in their homeland ... only white patriotic Americans are supposed to be ashamed for their Land of Liberty.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 17, 2021 04:01 PM (Cus5s)

144
See scientism vs science. Big difference.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at June 17, 2021 04:01 PM (Mzdiz)

145 He probably knows it too--which is why he looks prematurely old.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 03:59 PM (mR6Gs)

Too bad. I was hoping it was virulent ass-cancer.

Posted by: flounder at June 17, 2021 04:01 PM (KnJdm)

146 There was an interesting discussion thread on Galileo a few days ago, basically asserting that everything we were taught about his arrest in imprisonment was downright false.

TL;DR - Galileo was an obstinate nut, and he used up the patience of his Papal benefactors.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 17, 2021 03:55 PM (mdjgu)

Pretty much. The Church didn't particularly care about Copernicanism, and were even willing to accept it if more evidence in its favor came to light. However, Galileo got in trouble because he started discussing how to interpret the Bible based on his findings. The Church was actually one the side of science, arguing that a lot of his conclusions weren't supported by scientific observations.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 17, 2021 04:01 PM (jOcSX)

147 Why didn't Trump press that China created Covid?
I presume the evidence they have that is iron clad is "secret" so if he releases it he'll get impeached for "GIVING RUSSIA OUR NATIONAL SECURITY INFORMATION!!!!'

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2021 04:02 PM (DpkTQ)

148 It took half the day, but I completed reservations for the wife, me, daughter, son in law and 4 grandkids to Disney World. Flights, hotels, private tours of both Disney and Universal Studios, special Halloween kids party, some sort of Princess package thing, and various other character breakfasts and dinners.

The total would pucker a grown man's asshole.

I know it did mine.

Posted by: jwest at June 17, 2021 04:02 PM (/BlEx)

149 Mayor Groot:

You know those Covid relief funds? I'm just going to move that over to this discretionary fund instead.

https://bit.ly/3cRRfnV

Posted by: bonhomme at June 17, 2021 04:02 PM (YYlyE)

150 As many here often say.. What a stupid time to be alive

Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2021 04:03 PM (Zmnko)

151 What exactly make a porcelain plate "China?"
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 17, 2021 03:49 PM (63Dwl)

That's where the clay comes from.

Posted by: ... at June 17, 2021 04:03 PM (o698E)

152 >Is it racist to eat on my fine China?
Posted by: Jen the original at June 17, 2021 03:58 PM (PUgdh)

Not only racist but judge-y too. How dare you imply that some china is not fine?

Posted by: all doubt removed at June 17, 2021 04:03 PM (S2eH9)

153 Showing that WaPo headline is racist.

Posted by: torabora at June 17, 2021 04:03 PM (12YfF)

154
The next virus that comes from China probably won't be as benign as this one
China is the world's reservoir for the season flu.

A complete embargo/travel ban would save hundreds of thousands of lives a year.

Somehow though "if it saves even one life" is no longer operative in this scenario though.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2021 04:04 PM (DpkTQ)

155 >>>You know those Covid relief funds? I'm just going to move that over to this discretionary fund instead.

Posted by: bonhomme

Couldn't happen to a nicer city. They voted for Groot, so they can live with the corruption.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2021 04:04 PM (VWp7G)

156 diogenes, is it the one that starts with a B?

Posted by: funsize at June 17, 2021 04:04 PM (Jc5GQ)

157 I don't think any logical intelligent person does not now know for certain that those on the left, if they knew they could just push a button to kill people who disagreed with them with total impunity, would stand in line for days to push that button, over and over again.

The denial of use of Covid therapies that would have worked to save 100's of thousands of lives is just a version of that button.

Posted by: Boswell at June 17, 2021 03:59 PM (5iUNf)

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Also, this is the motive behind refusing to arrest, prosecute, convict, and jail favored groups for crimes ranging from theft and perjury to murder and treason.

It's a giant, constant, nationwide green light incentivizing eventual genocide.

Posted by: ShainS at June 17, 2021 04:04 PM (F26rd)

158 102 Why are you looking at me?
Posted by: Confused Black Lab at June 17, 2021 03:52 PM (ufFY

It was the yellow lab!!!
Posted by: Getting the banned back together at June 17, 2021 03:56 PM (82iOE)

No yellow.

Posted by: Hunter B at June 17, 2021 04:04 PM (vN+oL)

159 At this point, with an admitted black supremacist in charge of Chicago why would you live there if you aren't black?

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2021 04:05 PM (DpkTQ)

160 diogenes, is it the one that starts with a B?

Posted by: funsize at June 17, 2021 04:04 PM (Jc5GQ)

And goes down like a bad software implementation?

Posted by: flounder at June 17, 2021 04:05 PM (KnJdm)

161 Oh wait, isn't science what Fouci says it is?

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2021 04:06 PM (Cxk7w)

162 We peaked and we are now on a decline.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 03:56 PM (mR6Gs)
++++
This was true probably around ca. 1998. Maybe a bit earlier. Trump was an attempt to arrest the decline and turn the ship around.

I don't even think it was that far back. I think it turned to shit when we learned the WRONG lessons from 9/11 and then elected a mocha-colored nonentity whose middle name was HUSSEIN a few years later

Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 04:06 PM (mR6Gs)

163 Though they'll never get the scorn and punishment they deserve, it's good to see how many in the left are now willing to admit how they were happy to kill people by the thousands all to hurt Trump.

They'll look at it as no big deal, while the rest of us with some humanity will see this last year, between denying the origins, criticizing restricted travel from the countries spreading the virus, and demonizing therapies that work, all to get Trump, as on par with other political based mass killings by the USSR, China and the navy in African countries.

We rightfully condemn warlords who starve people to death for political gains, but we've ignored leftist who let hundreds of thousands die from covid all for political gain.

The stockades should be packed already.

Posted by: Rbastid at June 17, 2021 04:06 PM (vk2Uw)

164 "as more people pay attention to a theory that was originally promulgated by former President Donald Trump and his followers,"

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Wanna know why it was promulgated by Trump? He had access to intel that we the people do not.

Wanna know why it was promulgated by his followers? Because by and large, we use our eyes and our brains and we don't believe all men are angels.

Posted by: 496 at June 17, 2021 04:06 PM (U1eOr)

165 I figured it was the HIV.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 17, 2021 04:00 PM (yQpMk)

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He got wealthy, but not wealthy enough to afford adrenochrome.

Posted by: Speed Racer's Banana Hammock at June 17, 2021 04:06 PM (RQDhf)

166 Didn't chip in on the earlier thread with mom bemoaning her kid's summer camp situation under the rubric of SCIENCE, but:

1. 95% effectiveness does not mean that a given individual is "95% protected.
2. Prevalence of infectious people in the population is currently quite low, so her risk analysis is off
3. A fair number of kids in that age range have likely had the virus and hence have natural immunity
4. She wallows in her faith in her own smug internet-acquired expertise while talking down at what she considers ignorant people.
5. So pathetic

Posted by: Muldoon at June 17, 2021 04:06 PM (Fc5rx)

167 You find yourself in a discussion where you are saying "EVERYTHING IS A LIE" and it is much, much harder then just being able to point out individual lies.

What if the vaccine is a lie? What if the reason they are pushing so hard [pot, lotteries, cash] to take it has nothing at all to do with the CCP lung flu and instead has a different, unknown purpose?

Posted by: kytten at June 17, 2021 04:06 PM (tjZg/)

168 So, if you are governor DeSantis...do you have a law used to arrest these f*ckers?
Because I'm guessing FL does have a law about intentionally and knowingly giving bad health care treatments....
All you've got to do is get them in the state...

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2021 04:06 PM (DpkTQ)

169 Some good news on this front, a traditional non-mRNA vaccine has been developed using traditional techniques by Novavax. 90% effective with studies showing little side effects. So for people in the vaccine or job choice category, hold out as long as you can.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2021 04:07 PM (r+sAi)

170 >>>At this point, with an admitted black supremacist in charge of Chicago why would you live there if you aren't black?

Posted by: 18-1

Exactly. Groot is a rampant racist, but I guess leftist whites are all about that.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2021 04:07 PM (VWp7G)

171 131 Why didn't Trump press that China created Covid?

What I get so frustrated about (to the point I'm largely checking out of politics) is not only is the deck stacked against us, our team feels completely incompetent at every level.

GOPe is worthless and I felt Trump and his team was completely worthless as well (although at least they were trying to do the right thing)
Posted by: Blago at June 17, 2021 04:00 PM (PwNLq)

Trump pressing it further likely didn't happen because his intel and security was telling him that without harder evidence it would cause a major international incident. And they made sure to slow walk the gathering of any harder evidence.

Posted by: buzzion at June 17, 2021 04:07 PM (vMCab)

172 This was true probably around ca. 1998. Maybe a bit earlier. Trump was
an attempt to arrest the decline and turn the ship around.
I put the real start of the decline at 1999.

Yes Clinton was a joke and he threw away a lot of opportunities.

But it was 1999 where the left got their man in DC - Dennis Hastert - installed as Speaker of the House and leader of the opposition party.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2021 04:08 PM (DpkTQ)

173 I was taking to myself for much too long in the previous thread. I need to pay more attention to my surroundings.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 17, 2021 04:08 PM (2DOZq)

174 Part of the problem is most of the world-leading "coronavirus experts," which was something less than probably 50 people total worldwide, were directly or indirectly responsible for this pandemic in one form or the other via either funding it (Fauci/Daszak), developing and spreading the techniques (Baric et al.), or actually doing the experiments that produced the virus (Shi lab and collaborators). And since Fauci had to dodge the GOF ban, the lab leak occurred in a police state that runs the WHO.

Sort of a perfect storm for coverup possibilities. If the leak had occurred out of Baric's UNC lab instead of WIV, they would have never been able to suppress it as well with the ChicComs on board.

Posted by: Match Checksout at June 17, 2021 04:08 PM (dYe5S)

175 Fiercely Pro-Life Meghan McCain, just like her Dad.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at June 17, 2021 04:09 PM (TNyrE)

176 >>> Bosses aren't the funders. Funders in that industry are governments. "Of course we can make spaced-based sharks with frickin laser eyes. We have one in development right now."
Posted by: flounder at June 17, 2021 03:57 PM (KnJdm)

I wish they would put the marketing/ gov. sales group in a level 5 isolation room and never let them out. They would spout their mouths off and agree to stuff that was not even physically possible and come back to engineering with a "you've failed us again" look.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 17, 2021 04:09 PM (+BMD8)

177 Chinese people in America (what percent are CCP owned and operated?) can have great "pride" in their homeland ... only white patriotic Americans are supposed to be ashamed for their Land of Liberty.
Posted by: illiniwek at June 17, 2021 04:01 PM (Cus5s)

This is TRUE of every single ethnic group now.
They are encouraged to have pride in their tribe, not the nation.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 04:09 PM (mR6Gs)

178 I keep calling it Kung Flu because that's the way I roll.

Posted by: torabora at June 17, 2021 04:09 PM (12YfF)

179 152 >Is it racist to eat on my fine China?
Posted by: Jen the original at June 17, 2021 03:58 PM (PUgdh)

Not only racist but judge-y too. How dare you imply that some china is not fine?
Posted by: all doubt removed at June 17, 2021 04:03 PM (S2eH9)

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Besides, nothing stacks up to Chinet...

Posted by: Speed Racer's Banana Hammock at June 17, 2021 04:09 PM (RQDhf)

180 Speaking (tangentially) of Chicago (or, at least its future), I drove through East St. Louis, IL a few years back. From murder capital of the U.S. in the mid-90s to ghost town a few decades later. I'm sure Groot will obtain similar results.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at June 17, 2021 04:10 PM (o5N6D)

181 Trump pressing it further likely didn't happen because his intel and security was telling him that without harder evidence it would cause a major international incident. And they made sure to slow walk the gathering of any harder evidence.
Posted by: buzzion at June 17, 2021 04:07 PM (vMCab)

Undoubtedly.

Posted by: LASue at June 17, 2021 04:10 PM (Ed8Zd)

182 "Stunned traders are scrambling to figure out what is going on in the market today based on yesterday's shocking Fed announcement. "
_ZH
------------------

Why are they stunned?
They are the market movers.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2021 04:10 PM (jd+Ya)

183 Part of the problem is most of the world-leading "coronavirus experts,"
which was something less than probably 50 people total worldwide, were
directly or indirectly responsible for this pandemic
This is a gavel we need to keep banging. The people telling your doctor you need the jab are also the people that said working on gain of function viruses was worth the risk of well...COVID.

So...still trust them?

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2021 04:10 PM (DpkTQ)

184 1930 version
https://youtu.be/xykO0YHyuBI.

Do I stand a chinamans chance?

Posted by: Getting the banned back together at June 17, 2021 04:11 PM (82iOE)

185

I was lounging in the kiddie pool, and sunburned my dick. Fortunately it's no big thing.

Posted by: Brian Taterintheback at June 17, 2021 04:11 PM (D9jao)

186 Trump pressing it further likely didn't happen because his intel and security was telling him that without harder evidence it would cause a major international incident. And they made sure to slow walk the gathering of any harder evidence.
Posted by: buzzion

___

And you're probably right, but that's exactly why we liked Trump is that he didn't always mind his handlers.

It was so obvious that this came from a bioweapons lab considering it was right there in Wuhan, why does it take Jon Stewart to connect such easy dots?

Trump should have just run with it. Missed opportunity. he never really even hinted at it, all I remember was basically China was "slow walking" a response.

Posted by: Blago at June 17, 2021 04:11 PM (PwNLq)

187 The Washington Post will try to memory hole this, but don't let them forget it. Post it on their Twitter feed and Facebook page.

Posted by: redridinghood at June 17, 2021 04:11 PM (NpAcC)

188 This is TRUE of every single ethnic group now.
They are encouraged to have pride in their tribe, not the nation.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 04:09 PM (mR6Gs)

Old and busted: Out of many, one.

New and Woke: Out of one, many. (And whitey sux.)

Posted by: LASue at June 17, 2021 04:11 PM (Ed8Zd)

189 68 So far as I know, I'm the one who came up with "Kung Flu Grippe"

I'm still fairly proud of that one, although not many people get the "grippe" part.
i see you are one who has studied his grippe. as have i.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya at June 17, 2021 04:11 PM (sGtp+)

190 Ok, ok...scientists and then lawyers.

Posted by: Wm. Shakespeare at June 17, 2021 04:12 PM (bivK1)

191 Trust scientists?

No.

The first rule of real science is believe nobody. Anyone making a claim must prove it.

Posted by: Godwin's Gaping Gulch at June 17, 2021 04:12 PM (roC50)

192 175 Fiercely Pro-Life Meghan McCain, just like her Dad.
Posted by: Curly Shuffle at June 17, 2021 04:09 PM (TNyrE)

Fiercely pro-ranch dressing Meghan McCain...

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 17, 2021 04:12 PM (KbCG3)

193 s more people pay attention to a theory that was originally promulgated by former President Donald Trump and his followers,"
------
Wanna know why it was promulgated by Trump? He had access to intel that we the people do not.
Wanna know why it was promulgated by his followers? Because by and large, we use our eyes and our brains and we don't believe all men are angels.
Posted by: 496 at June 17, 2021 04:06 PM (U1eOr)

I Wanna know why they always call Trump's voters or supporters FOLLOWERS

They don't do this for anyone else.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 04:12 PM (mR6Gs)

194 China's Maj. Gen. Chen Wei, bioweapons chief, rushed to Wuhan to deal with the first cluster of COVID-19 cases in fall 2019.
How stupid/corrupt do they think we are? This much.

Posted by: Valiant at June 17, 2021 04:12 PM (3MiF8)

195 What if the media told the truth?

https://is.gd/5IvWBv

Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2021 04:13 PM (jd+Ya)

196 >I don't even think it was that far back. I think it turned to shit when we learned the WRONG lessons from 9/11 and then elected a mocha-colored nonentity whose middle name was HUSSEIN a few years later

I have always thought that the cracks started to form that day: 9/11

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 17, 2021 04:13 PM (iTXRQ)

197 Is it racist to eat on my fine China?
Posted by: Jen

You have to ask Rep. Eric Swalwell and please don't let us know the answer.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 17, 2021 04:13 PM (Fq5Uj)

198 This was true probably around ca. 1998. Maybe a bit earlier. Trump was
an attempt to arrest the decline and turn the ship around.
I put the real start of the decline at 1999.

_____

Yea, I could along with that, but I wonder if that's because I have rose colored glasses.

The early 2000's werent terrible, 9/11 brought the country together and things were still pretty good, but Bush blew so many opportunities.

I really think Obama is when everything changed.

Posted by: Blago at June 17, 2021 04:13 PM (PwNLq)

199 Popular Scientist personas:
Crazy Einstein hair
Bowtie and back of the closet suit
Grandfatherly country doctor
Bad boy biker leathers

We are told that a PhD in the right sub-sub-specialty is the union card; if you ain't got one you can't speak. My view is that any middle-schooler working on their science fair project -- who uses the Scientific Method -- is the True Scientist.

Posted by: Rule #2 at June 17, 2021 04:14 PM (+9aPb)

200 We peaked and we are now on a decline.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 03:56 PM (mR6Gs)
++++
This was true probably around ca. 1998. Maybe a bit earlier. Trump was an attempt to arrest the decline and turn the ship around.

I don't even think it was that far back. I think it turned to shit when we learned the WRONG lessons from 9/11 and then elected a mocha-colored nonentity whose middle name was HUSSEIN a few years later

Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 04:14 PM (mR6Gs)

201 >> 95% effectiveness does not mean that a given individual is "95% protected.

The difference between relative and absolute risk reduction is an important one. Pharma always loves to tout the former and not talk too much about the latter if doesn't serve their purposes.

If I have a 50% chance of getting something bad, and there is some preventative treatment that is 95% relative reduction, then that reduces my absolute risk from 50% to 2.5%. That's an absolute risk reduction of 47.5%.

If my chance of getting something is 0.005%, then that same treatment reduces the absolute risk to 0.00025%.

Big, big difference.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at June 17, 2021 04:14 PM (Mzdiz)

202 Some good news on this front, a traditional non-mRNA vaccine has been developed using traditional techniques by Novavax. 90% effective with studies showing little side effects. So for people in the vaccine or job choice category, hold out as long as you can.

It is not necessarily the mRNA or the adenovirus injections that cause the problems, it is the spike proteins that they create. The aforementioned injection also creates spike proteins. More on the dangers of spike proteins here:

https://tinyurl.com/jp65m7hy

/if the spike proteins in COVID cause disease, why wouldn't the spike proteins in an injection cause disease?

Posted by: kytten at June 17, 2021 04:14 PM (tjZg/)

203 I wouldn't mind seeing fang fang naked...

Posted by: Brian Taterintheback at June 17, 2021 04:14 PM (D9jao)

204 "as more people pay attention to a theory that was originally promulgated by former President Donald Trump and his followers,"

------
Wanna know why it was promulgated by Trump? He had access to intel that we the people do not.

Wanna know why it was promulgated by his followers? Because by and large, we use our eyes and our brains and we don't believe all men are angels.
Posted by: 496 at June 17, 2021 04:06 PM (U1eOr)

Followers? As in "disciples"?
I support Trump, but I don't "follow" him.

Posted by: LASue at June 17, 2021 04:15 PM (Ed8Zd)

205
I Wanna know why they always call Trump's voters or supporters FOLLOWERS

They don't do this for anyone else.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 04:12 PM (mR6Gs)

You know why.

Posted by: buzzion at June 17, 2021 04:15 PM (vMCab)

206 LMAO at all the Smooth Brained Retard takes today.

@NTBreakfast
#POLL : Should white privilege be part of the Irish primary school curriculum?
#BKNT

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at June 17, 2021 04:15 PM (nHXZo)

207 I don't even think it was that far back. I think it turned to shit when we learned the WRONG lessons from 9/11 and then elected a mocha-colored nonentity whose middle name was HUSSEIN a few years later
Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 04:14 PM (mR6Gs)

Concur.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 17, 2021 04:16 PM (McDW0)

208 Prior to 9/11 I knew muslims in the US and even worked with a few. They were all moderate - their wives dressed more or less "normal" by western standards and they lived normal American lives.

After 9/11 I saw women in burkas in every American city I spent time in and suddenly criticism of Islam was banned.

So...AQ in many senses won. We aren't the country they were before they attacked us.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2021 04:16 PM (DpkTQ)

209 The origins investigation is fairly simple to
explain. The suppression of effective therapies is a lot more involved -
and far more evil.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2021 03:52 PM (Jsjd7
^^this. Just like sending sick people back to nursing homes instead of sending them to the empty hospital ship or the Javits Center, because they didn't want to give Trump any credit for having made those happen.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 17, 2021 04:16 PM (BMmaB)

210 If the 2024 primary came down to DeSantis vs Trump, who would the Horde back?

Posted by: Blago at June 17, 2021 04:17 PM (PwNLq)

211 We have been in decline since 1787. It's always been one step forward , two steps back. We are just fortunate that we started so high that the fall takes a long long time.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 17, 2021 04:17 PM (2DOZq)

212 Clearly, the term we need to start using immediately for the other side is "Biden followers."

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 17, 2021 04:17 PM (BMmaB)

213 I have always thought that the cracks started to form that day: 9/11
Posted by: DB- just DB at June 17, 2021 04:13 PM (iTXRQ)

THEY gave us 48 hours of Unity before they started their divisive bullshit----calling us out as Islamophobic, starting conspiracy theories about it being an inside job, saying we deserved it
Bush didn't help by fumbling the WMD and subsequent War in Iraq

Also, the RISE of social media

Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 04:17 PM (mR6Gs)

214 rule # 1: people suck
rule # 2: don't get you panties in a knot over rule # 1

Posted by: sTevo at June 17, 2021 04:18 PM (J4z6F)

215 >> why wouldn't the spike proteins in an injection cause disease?

The side effects we're seeing now, blood clots and the myocarditis are all likely due to severe reactions to the small amounts of spike protein that leak out into circulation (all the vaccines leak some, this has been proven).

Some individuals will be very sensitive to this. Others not so much.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at June 17, 2021 04:18 PM (Mzdiz)

216
Why don't we instead focus on the '21 elections.
And then the '22 elections.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at June 17, 2021 04:18 PM (+DCi9)

217
If the 2024 primary came down to DeSantis vs Trump, who would the Horde back? Posted by: Blago at June 17, 2021 04:17 PM (PwNLq

That's like how many angels on the head of a pin. It would never happen. No point in worrying one second about it.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 17, 2021 04:18 PM (BMmaB)

218 If the 2024 primary came down to DeSantis vs Trump, who would the Horde back?
Posted by: Blago

I hope it doesn't come to that, but DeSantis for me, 100%.

Posted by: lizabth at June 17, 2021 04:18 PM (L3Rsz)

219 >>> I Wanna know why they always call Trump's voters or supporters FOLLOWERS

They don't do this for anyone else.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 04:12 PM (mR6Gs)

It is a reasonable denotation. Trump's philosophy, promises, ideas were liked and he was followed. No one follows anyone or their "ideas" on the left. It is all just showing allegiance to the communist party.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 17, 2021 04:18 PM (+BMD8)

220 If the 2024 primary came down to DeSantis vs Trump, who would the Horde back?

Posted by: Blago at June 17, 2021 04:17 PM (PwNLq)

DeSantis will have to defer to Trump. Period.

They both can't run

Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 04:18 PM (mR6Gs)

221 167 What if the vaccine is a lie? What if the reason they are pushing so
hard [pot, lotteries, cash] to take it has nothing at all to do with the
CCP lung flu and instead has a different, unknown purpose?
that's just crazy talk. the propensity of my upper right arm to attract spoons is just one of those phases everyone goes through a few times in their life. the microsoft tracking chips will allow the government to find lost children. don't you want to find lost children? why do you hate children?

Posted by: Comrade Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at June 17, 2021 04:19 PM (sGtp+)

222 was taking to myself for much too long in the previous thread
Posted by: Just a side note at June 17, 2021 04:08 PM

Happens to me lots of mornings

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2021 04:19 PM (Cxk7w)

223 210 If the 2024 primary came down to DeSantis vs Trump, who would the Horde back?

Posted by: Blago at June 17, 2021 04:17 PM (PwNLq)

In a battle between 1A and 1B, I say let Trump finish what he started.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 17, 2021 04:19 PM (KbCG3)

224 that's just crazy talk. the propensity of my upper right arm to attract spoons is just one of those phases everyone goes through a few times in their life. the microsoft tracking chips will allow the government to find lost children. don't you want to find lost children? why do you hate children?

LOL.

I stand corrected.

Posted by: kytten at June 17, 2021 04:19 PM (tjZg/)

225 "I Wanna know why they always call Trump's voters or supporters FOLLOWERS
They don't do this for anyone else.
Posted by: JoeF."

??

Posted by: Facebook at June 17, 2021 04:20 PM (Tnijr)

226 DeSantis would probably not go head to head vs Trump

he is doing a great job as Governor as well, so if Trump seems ready to get back in the fray, likely Ron would hold off.

9/11 gave us the Patriot Act

that was the end really

just taking a while

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 17, 2021 04:20 PM (j9HX3)

227 I see plenty of evidence the covid jabs were rushed, adverse reactions ignored, and with no real understand of the long term impact of the gene therapy.
I have a harder time believing it is designed to intentionally allow some follow up virus to be worse though. That would require a level of planning and knowledge beyond what could reasonably be expected of mere human beings.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2021 04:21 PM (DpkTQ)

228 /if the spike proteins in COVID cause disease, why wouldn't the spike proteins in an injection cause disease?
Posted by: kytten at June 17, 2021 04:14 PM (tjZg/)

They do, the term used is 'vaccine shedding'.

Posted by: Inogame at June 17, 2021 04:21 PM (53oGX)

229 It's time to start calling these people what they are -Lysenkoists.

Posted by: junior at June 17, 2021 04:22 PM (eFc4x)

230 I have a harder time believing it is designed to intentionally allow some follow up virus to be worse though. That would require a level of planning and knowledge beyond what could reasonably be expected of mere human beings.

especially THESE particular human beings

who are semi-evil idiots

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 17, 2021 04:22 PM (j9HX3)

231 "9/11 gave us the Patriot Act"

Absolutely.

When I look back, there was so much about that time that I think we fucked up.

How about when they got Americans to get used to --acclimated to--waiting hours to board airplanes?

Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 04:23 PM (mR6Gs)

232 220 If the 2024 primary came down to DeSantis vs Trump, who would the Horde back?

Posted by: Blago at June 17, 2021 04:17 PM (PwNLq)

DeSantis will have to defer to Trump. Period.

They both can't run
Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 04:18 PM (mR6Gs)

Agreed. If the GOPe were really smart, they would pit DeSantis against Trump. They can't, however, because that would mean acknowledging that every other politician in their stable is no better than dog vomit.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 17, 2021 04:23 PM (mdjgu)

233 I've never been a Trump follower. I've never really followed anybody. I did like the way he shook things up and exposed the extent of the Uniparty corruption. I didn't care about the tweets and think now he would have been better off to keep his mouth shut and quietly go about doing the things he set out to do.

Posted by: f'd at June 17, 2021 04:23 PM (Tnijr)

234 Should we trust scientists?

Short answer - no. Trusting someone based upon job title is the definition of credentialism. And thats a trap that I see more among New England residents than anywhere else in the country.

Trump was a slave to credentialism.

Posted by: East of Omaha at June 17, 2021 04:24 PM (z/EVC)

235 210 "If the 2024 primary came down to DeSantis vs Trump, who would the Horde back?"

When I said the GOP is worthless and needs to be destroyed, I meant it. I'm not voting for any Republican, not one.

Posted by: lowandslow at June 17, 2021 04:24 PM (4thlk)

236 What does it hurt you to show some respect? Just say most honorable Kung Flu.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at June 17, 2021 04:24 PM (vN+oL)

237 Oh and specifically, I've seen a number of the researchers in this space give flip answers to the question of what are the long term impacts of the jabs.

The argument is, no we have literally no idea because this has NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE - but covid is so dangerous it is worth it.
But what if COVID isn't as dangerous as claimed - and the numbers say something like 2X the seasonal flu...then the question of the health impacts of the jab are rather more important aren't they?

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2021 04:25 PM (DpkTQ)

238 But why would you take an mRNA shot when you don't have to? The inventor of the technique even says we do not have the evidence and is questioning how safe they are.
It wouldn't surprise me in 10 years to see this compared to thalidomide.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2021 04:25 PM (r+sAi)

239 AZ has a problem at the border.
TX has a problem at the border.

Don't hear much about NM border problems.

Hmmm. Interesting. Interesting. Can't think of a single reason why.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 17, 2021 04:25 PM (psJgU)

240 You can call me a Trump follower.
In so far as I see him as a Leader. A real one, not a paper one.

He's been the first in a long time that'd I'd consider in the realm, that's why he must be destroyed.

Posted by: Inogame at June 17, 2021 04:25 PM (53oGX)

241

Trust no one, least of all yourself.

Posted by: Chuck E. Confucius at June 17, 2021 04:25 PM (vzKmu)

242 I wonder if, after Trump survived their Wuhan Bioweapon, the CCP took their Military Bioweapon General Chen there and shot him in the back of the head for making an ineffective piece of shit. Because that's something these boys like to do, you know, to teach any other incompetent Bioweapons Generals out there what's what.

Posted by: Boswell at June 17, 2021 04:26 PM (5iUNf)

243 I did like the way he shook things up and exposed the extent of the Uniparty corruption. ""

Yes! And he did it magnificently. This alone made his presidency worthwhile.

Uniparty ain't putting that genie back in its bottle.

Posted by: lizabth at June 17, 2021 04:26 PM (L3Rsz)

244
I've never been a Trump follower. I've never really followed anybody. I
did like the way he shook things up and exposed the extent of the
Uniparty corruption. I didn't care about the tweets and think now he
would have been better off to keep his mouth shut and quietly go about
doing the things he set out to do.

The Golden Scalp Weasel (spoken with luv, as usual) had no chance to get much of his America First agenda done, not with Her Heinous going all #RESIST!!!!! to her sycophants in DC five seconds after he was sworn in.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at June 17, 2021 04:26 PM (HaL55)

245 The argument is, no we have literally no idea because this has NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE - but covid is so dangerous it is worth it.
But what if COVID isn't as dangerous as claimed - and the numbers say something like 2X the seasonal flu...then the question of the health impacts of the jab are rather more important aren't they?

It's only dangerous for those in ill health over 80; for them there is a 94% survival rate. Everyone else is in the 99% survival rate.

/terrifying. Less than a 1% chance of survival...

Posted by: kytten at June 17, 2021 04:26 PM (tjZg/)

246 I would bet Don Jr's preemptive endorsement of Darth is meant to send a message to magaland.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at June 17, 2021 04:26 PM (o5N6D)

247 The words science and trust should never be used together, science is doubt.

Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2021 04:26 PM (Qsr61)

248 17 Design Billet AR-15 Stripped Lower Receiver - Engraved American Flag; $80; https://bit.ly/3gCsyOO

Posted by: bonhomme at June 17, 2021 04:27 PM (YYlyE)

249 > If the 2024 primary came down to DeSantis vs Trump, who would the Horde back?

DeSantis.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 17, 2021 04:28 PM (YYlyE)

250

Walking around the backyard naked except for sneakers drinking a Manhattan.

I feel like I'm in a gay p*** film.

High fences make good neighbors!

Posted by: Dirty Frank at June 17, 2021 04:28 PM (D9jao)

251 Trust no one, least of all yourself.

Posted by: Chuck E. Confucius at June 17, 2021 04:25 PM (vzKmu)

I've got my eye on me.

Posted by: flounder at June 17, 2021 04:28 PM (KnJdm)

252 "If the 2024 primary came down to DeSantis vs Trump, who would the Horde back?"

When I said the GOP is worthless and needs to be destroyed, I meant it. I'm not voting for any Republican, not one.
Posted by: lowandslow

So, Speaker of the House Trump vs Gov DeSantis

Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2021 04:29 PM (Qsr61)

253 Wrong. "China stabbed us"

Right "The knife went in."

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 17, 2021 04:29 PM (gywI+)

254 Totally off-topic

If I had a piece of advice to give the next generations, it'd be this; You don't know the full impacts of your actions, no matter how small. You may think it matters not, just a pebble tossed into a lake, but you'd be suprised at the affect it has.
That is all.

The older I get the more I see the truth of this, to the point that I may have to reconsider my flippant attitude towards my words here and IRL.
Or not, we'll see.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 17, 2021 04:29 PM (z79tQ)

255 General Motors announced this week that they are going to be boosting global spending on EVs to $35 billion...

[a month ago] Ford announced that it was going to boost its EV spending ... to over $30 billion by 2030.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2021 04:30 PM (jd+Ya)

256

I'm not here.

I've gone out to look for me.

If I arrive before I come back please ask me to wait for me.

Posted by: Chuck E. Confucius at June 17, 2021 04:30 PM (vzKmu)

257 Because it's from Chy-NAH.

Posted by: Very Stable Genius Donald J. Trump at June 17, 2021 04:30 PM (LaNzR)

258 1. Racism is the worst thing in the world
2. Attacking Chinese people is racist
3. Therefore attacking China is racist
4. And the worst thing in the world

Unless people push back hard against this idiocy we're sunk as a country. we might as well become China's new province.

Posted by: rcocean at June 17, 2021 04:31 PM (evE25)

259 Passionate black man speaks out against CRT

https://bit.ly/3wAWFvj

Posted by: bonhomme at June 17, 2021 04:31 PM (YYlyE)

260 Did we ever find out why it was raaaaaacist to call covid-19 the "China virus" because it originated in China, but somehow it was perfectly cool and totally not raaaaaacist to call the variant that originated in India the "Indian variant"?

Oh wait, must be because it was Trump who called it the "China virus." Trump makes everything raaaaacist, right? Doesn't matter that people have been naming viruses with the places where they first showed up for many, many years. If Trump does something, no matter how long other people have been doing the same damn thing, it has to be raaaaaacist, because . . . Trump!!!

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 17, 2021 04:31 PM (k4dH2)

261 I'm still fairly proud of that one, although not many people get the "grippe" part.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because America needs a holiday celebrating ignorance of news at June 17, 2021 03:49 PM (XTk1T)

GI Joe with Kung Fu grip

Posted by: Oldcat at June 17, 2021 04:31 PM (eoQWY)

262 If you go to CDC webpage and read the FAQs about safety of COVID-19 vaccines, even they can't bring themselves to just straight-up say "There are no long term side effects." They will only say, "Long-term side effects are unlikely."

You have to even admire their honesty about it because, of course, there is no long term data available about the safety of these vaccines when the long-term is defined as more than +1 year.

Posted by: Match Checksout at June 17, 2021 04:32 PM (dYe5S)

263
They want to stop producing (ban) all new cars with combustible engines by 2030. They'll do it.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at June 17, 2021 04:32 PM (+DCi9)

264 I'm figuring if Hunter's paintings can command a half million dollars then my painting of Billy Carter's horse ought to be worth at least 2 million, maybe more once Jimmy kicks, if ever.

Posted by: f'd at June 17, 2021 04:32 PM (Tnijr)

265 Liberal/Left - i don't like you so I'll call you racist.

conservative response: I'm not a racist. I hate it more than you do.

See why that's a loser?

Posted by: rcocean at June 17, 2021 04:32 PM (evE25)

266 Walking around the backyard naked except for sneakers drinking a Manhattan.

I feel like I'm in a gay p*** film.

High fences make good neighbors!

Posted by: Dirty Frank at June 17, 2021 04:28 PM (D9jao)

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"You are -- and in more ways than one." -- Bob from the State Ministry of Truth, Reality, and Security ... but mostly Security (formerly the NSA)

Posted by: ShainS at June 17, 2021 04:32 PM (F26rd)

267 I am going to increase my personal spending on EVs by $100,000 over the next 1000 years.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 17, 2021 04:32 PM (psJgU)

268 If I had a piece of advice to give the next generations, it'd be this; You don't know the full impacts of your actions, no matter how small. You may think it matters not, just a pebble tossed into a lake, but you'd be suprised at the affect it has.
That is all.

Weird, I just had a similar thought, thinking about all my mistakes and sins of omission as well as commision.
Simple decisions I made that loom large now.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 04:33 PM (mR6Gs)

269 When I go to sleep at night I miss myself

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 17, 2021 04:33 PM (flINI)

270 Trump would beat any democrat, prior to any election fortification. I don't know about Desantis.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 17, 2021 04:33 PM (gywI+)

271 science lied. people died. but mostly because government mad scientists invented and released the virus.

Posted by: x at June 17, 2021 04:33 PM (oA+QO)

272 They of course have had to change the names of previous pandemics. Like Stalin erasing Yezhov from photos.

Spanish Flu? Never heard of it . Do you mean the Flu of 1918?

Hong Kong Flu? Doesn't ring a bell. Do you mean the H3N2 flu of 1968?

Posted by: Just a side note at June 17, 2021 04:33 PM (2DOZq)

273 This is not Science.

In real science, a beautiful theory can be killed with an ugly fact. This is what occurred here.

COVID-19 Wuhan is a man-made bioweapon from China.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 17, 2021 04:33 PM (u82oZ)

274

DeSantis will have to defer to Trump. Period.

They both can't run
Posted by: JoeF.

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I'm not so sure, I don't really think DeSantis gets a 2nd shot in like 2028 if he defers to him. He will probably be forgotten. Someone like Chris Christie decided to wait and their brand was gone.

I really hope Trump doesn't run, as much as I love the idea of him making a comeback, I just can't see him actually winning. I just know too many pussy Republicans that couldn't handle Trump and his brand.

Posted by: Blago at June 17, 2021 04:33 PM (PwNLq)

275 Trump vs DeSantis

If you'll review the archives - I remember the very thread where Ace first came out regarding Trump. If Trump was the nominee - the GOP had no chance. That was back in the days where simply typing Nationalist Populist triggered the ban button. I'm proud of being early on that train.

All that being said - I won't waste a third vote on The Don. He did a fabulous job - first rate - of showing the DC Clown Show for what I suspected it was.

Everything after the rigged election has shown me he is incapable of doing anything about it. He can't grasp it or articulate it. He is not the guy.

Posted by: East of Omaha at June 17, 2021 04:34 PM (z/EVC)

276 In the best case, the mRNA effectiveness will fade, requiring a booster. By then, novavax or another traditional vaccine will be available. Additionally, the Coronavirus baseline and annual updates will be rolled into the annual flu shot.

Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2021 04:34 PM (Qsr61)

277 If I needed a research scientist who would I not hire: that would be Chan and his 17 buddies.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2021 04:34 PM (r+sAi)

278 As has been said, a great many people need to be fed feet first into a wood chipper over the plandemic.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2021 04:34 PM (QlVtI)

279 "In the best case, the mRNA effectiveness will fade, requiring a booster."

They are going to go to a subscription model, like Norton.

Posted by: f'd at June 17, 2021 04:35 PM (Tnijr)

280 264 I'm figuring if Hunter's paintings can command a half million dollars then my painting of Billy Carter's horse ought to be worth at least 2 million, maybe more once Jimmy kicks, if ever.

Posted by: f'd at June 17, 2021 04:32 PM (Tnijr)

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Piker -- my painting of Jimmy Carter's killer rabbit will be on postage stamps.

Posted by: ShainS at June 17, 2021 04:35 PM (F26rd)

281 conservative response: I'm not a racist like all of those other conservatives!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 17, 2021 04:35 PM (psJgU)

282 NBC Changed the headline:
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/ lab-leak-theory-science-scientists-rcna1191

Still
admits they were largely driven to ignore the facts because they hated Trump. Journalism!

Posted by: 5cats at June 17, 2021 04:35 PM (hv5ip)

283 @ JoeF and LASue - you both have a great point about "followers". It's one more way the egregious MSM in this country try to "other" us and move us beyond the pale.

I live in a very liberal city and see this all the time. It is actually considered quite rude to say something like "Hillary is a liar" or "Joe Biden can't remember the pudding he spilled on his tie 3 minutes ago". It is very poor form, and you're just not accepted into polite society speaking like that.

I've found people I can speak with like that, but there is a tremendous amount of "othering" that goes on every day - and not just at the hands of the MSM.

Posted by: 496 at June 17, 2021 04:36 PM (U1eOr)

284 They want to stop producing (ban) all new cars with combustible engines by 2030. They'll do it.

Of course .. Most folks will not be able to afford those plug in cars so they will have to use mass transit.. Oh.. And not all go out to the countryside so we're just gonna have to move to apartment high rises... It was the plan all along

Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2021 04:36 PM (Zmnko)

285 Walking around the backyard naked except for sneakers drinking a Manhattan.

I feel like I'm in a gay p*** film.

High fences make good neighbors!
Posted by: Dirty Frank at June 17, 2021 04:28 PM (D9jao)
***

Hmmmm.
Yeah. A fence would be a good idea. Maybe next year.
**Goes to refill sidecar martini**

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2021 04:36 PM (axyOa)

286 I have a harder time believing it is designed to intentionally allow some follow up virus to be worse though. That would require a level of planning and knowledge beyond what could reasonably be expected of mere human beings.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2021 04:21 PM (DpkTQ)

True. But don't underestimate our abilities either. After the fact study of the effects of the jabs, and all the major ones are a little different, and reverse engineering could show "opportunity" for a next gen virus.
Like a software back door even the programmers didn't know about (especially if they worked for Microsoft).

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 17, 2021 04:36 PM (z79tQ)

287 The next virus release will be the one that kills many, many millions. Kung flu was the test run.

Posted by: four seasons at June 17, 2021 04:37 PM (PisyI)

288 I have always thought that the cracks started to form that day: 9/11
Posted by: DB- just DB at June 17, 2021 04:13 PM (iTXRQ)

THEY gave us 48 hours of Unity before they started their divisive bullshit----calling us out as Islamophobic, starting conspiracy theories about it being an inside job, saying we deserved it
Bush didn't help by fumbling the WMD and subsequent War in Iraq

Also, the RISE of social media
Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 04:17 PM (mR6Gs)

That's silly. Nobody learns to hate America and Americans in 48 hours. It takes a whole lifetime, and the seeds of this were planted long before then. The difference is that the places it started were not 100 percent poisoned then, and they had to wait until they were.

The Rosenbergs were selling America out in the 50s, and their ilk have always been working.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 17, 2021 04:37 PM (eoQWY)

289 > In the best case, the mRNA effectiveness will fade, requiring a booster.

Can someone PLEASE explain this to me. Memory cells usually hang around for decades. What is it specifically with this mRNA vaccine's resultant memory cells that causes their longevity to be so much shorter than normal?

Posted by: bonhomme at June 17, 2021 04:37 PM (YYlyE)

290 "I Wanna know why they always call Trump's voters or supporters FOLLOWERS
They don't do this for anyone else.
___________

Obama voters are cult members.

Biden voters are just plain stupid.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 17, 2021 04:37 PM (k4dH2)

291 They are going to go to a subscription model, like Norton.
Posted by: f'd at June 17, 2021 04:35 PM (Tnijr)

There has been an update in your Covid virus protection. Your body will be rebooted in 10 minutes. Please complete all critical activities.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 17, 2021 04:37 PM (psJgU)

292 I wanna be sedated.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 17, 2021 04:37 PM (W2Pud)

293 This post has been up a while.. but man if it doesn't infuriate me.
THIS STUPID SHIT KILLED PEOPLE.
You're petty political bullshit killed people.

Then I realize lefties and their political bullshit kill people all the time... it's who they are.

Posted by: Inogame at June 17, 2021 04:37 PM (53oGX)

294 "Scientist Admits: We Concealed Our Knowledge That a Lab Leak Was Likely Because We Didn't Want to be "Associated With Trump""
I hope his dick falls off from a terrible, incurable never-seen-before infection that leaked from a lab.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 17, 2021 04:37 PM (VpIIl)

295 I wanna be sedated.
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 17, 2021 04:37 PM (W2Pud)

Nothing to do, nowhere to go?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at June 17, 2021 04:38 PM (V6f9+)

296 I lol'ed at this for some reason. It's just so silly. St Floyd statue.

https://tinyurl.com/598anvyj

Posted by: lizabth at June 17, 2021 04:38 PM (L3Rsz)

297 Obama voters are cult members.

Biden voters are just plain stupid.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 17, 2021 04:37 PM (k4dH2)

That's what WE say, the media doesn't

Posted by: JoeF. at June 17, 2021 04:38 PM (mR6Gs)

298 > If the 2024 primary came down to DeSantis vs Trump, who would the Horde back?

DeSantis - only because, as the Chief Executive of a large state with plenty of liberal opposition, he has more experience going in on how to play the game effectively from day one. Sure, Trump knows better now. He won't make the same mistakes. But he has a tendency to hire poorly - its a mistake that seems to be DNA coded, not something to shake off easily.

DeSantis will never hire someone like 1) the Mooch 2) Steve Bannon 3) Jeff Sessions 4) Omoroso or whatever her name was 5) a marriage conflicted Kellyanne Conway 6) Gen Kelly 6) Gen Mattis 7) Bill Barr

Chris Wray or anyone else connected with Bush's old regime, Obama's regime or anyone else's regime that was part of the problem all along...its not in DeSantis' DNA to bring into his inner circle basket cases and egotistical fools that will confound his efforts at every turn.

Posted by: Boswell at June 17, 2021 04:38 PM (5iUNf)

299 I'll will continue to keep my opinion of Trump to myself. I voted for him twice and if he were the nominee I would do it again. That is all .

Posted by: Just a side note at June 17, 2021 04:38 PM (2DOZq)

300 ought to be worth at least 2 million, maybe more once Jimmy kicks, if ever.
That is gonna be one small coffin.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2021 04:38 PM (r+sAi)

301 "Piker -- my painting of Jimmy Carter's killer rabbit will be on postage stamps."

Heh. I know where that pond is. Really though my painting is priceless. It was done by someone intimately familiar with the horse.

Posted by: f'd at June 17, 2021 04:38 PM (Tnijr)

302 We have double blind studies for a reason.

Posted by: Ostral B Heretic at June 17, 2021 04:38 PM (f00Gn)

303 US military stumped by a box of armor-piercing grenades stolen, other reports of scores of missing military weapons

https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=114637

Posted by: SMH at June 17, 2021 04:39 PM (YoCgm)

304 " I wanna be sedated.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 17, 2021 04:37 PM (W2Pud)
"

Why not spanked?

Posted by: Marcus T at June 17, 2021 04:39 PM (VpIIl)

305 They can proclaim anything they want, cars that run on water alone if they want,doesn't make it happen though.

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2021 04:39 PM (Cxk7w)

306 Ok, y'all know that Peter Daszak video that's been going around?

The one where he talks about funding the creation of the virus?

In Feb. 2016?

That's why they're suddenly pushing "Chyna Virus." They want to distract that the US was complicit. And that China was able to use proof of that complicity to get the US scientific establishment to go along with stuff like banning HCQ and Ivermectin.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at June 17, 2021 04:39 PM (Clxcy)

307 MagTech 9F, Case, 9mm Luger 95 GR Jacketed Soft Point, Flat Nose, Brass Boxer, Reloadable - 1000 Round Case; $500; https://bit.ly/35Al7RP

Posted by: bonhomme at June 17, 2021 04:39 PM (YYlyE)

308 I lol'ed at this for some reason. It's just so silly. St Floyd statue.

Nothing like immortalizing a two bit career criminal who died overdosing

Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2021 04:39 PM (Zmnko)

309 If the 2024 primary came down to DeSantis vs Trump, who would the Horde back?

DeSantis - only because, as the Chief Executive of a large state with plenty of liberal opposition, he has more experience going in on how to play the game effectively from day one.

__

Yea, I view DeSantis as the next evolution of Trump.

Trump had the right ideology of conservative populism and anti-globalism, but he just stepped into shit too many times. And he really surrounded himself with idiots.

Posted by: Blago at June 17, 2021 04:40 PM (PwNLq)

310 I wanna be sedated.
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 17, 2021 04:37 PM (W2Pud

Listening to the Ramones ?

Posted by: Just a side note at June 17, 2021 04:40 PM (2DOZq)

311 Nothing like immortalizing a two bit career criminal who died overdosing
Posted by: It's me donna

The wife-beater shirt is a nice touch.

Posted by: lizabth at June 17, 2021 04:40 PM (L3Rsz)

312 > I lol'ed at this for some reason. It's just so silly. St Floyd statue

That woman in the red dress outweighs the status.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 17, 2021 04:40 PM (YYlyE)

313 I've worked closely with "scientists" as that is what they have self identified as. By and large, they are fucktards.

That is all.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 17, 2021 04:41 PM (3H9h1)

314 When they say "Trust Science," what they really mean, of course

...is don't ask questions nor should you question whether this guy is even a fucking scientist.

Posted by: t-bird at June 17, 2021 04:41 PM (KDCRD)

315 "St Floyd statue"

A monument to Obama's promise of unity.

Posted by: f'd at June 17, 2021 04:41 PM (Tnijr)

316 The wife-beater shirt is a nice touch.
Posted by: lizabth at June 17, 2021 04:40 PM (L3Rsz)

Helps him breathe easier.

Posted by: 496 at June 17, 2021 04:42 PM (U1eOr)

317 omg speaking of Kellyanne Conway her fatass husband has had some truly rank tweets lately

surprised Ace hasn't noticed them... well, surprised and relieved actually.

no one should pay attention to him! but Twitter boosts the shit out of his tweets.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 17, 2021 04:42 PM (j9HX3)

318 Will Juneteenth be the new Kwanza? Cultural appropriation means not even allies can celebrate it or market off it. Hallmark can probably make cards that say "Congrats, you are not a slave...just like Your parent and grandparents and great grandparents weren't." Maybe we can finally get rid of Washington's Birthday /Lincoln's birthday/Presidents' Day and move the white sheet sales to Juneteenth.

Posted by: Downcast at June 17, 2021 04:42 PM (KNgsx)

319 Ahoy!

I can assure that lab-origination of the virus will not be the topic of a symposium or panel discussion on the Lido Deck.

Posted by: Cap'n Bill at June 17, 2021 04:42 PM (DMUuz)

320
like voting in 2024 will matter
AZ, Philly, Milwaukee, Detroit ETC will still voting at 113% full capacity

Posted by: will choose a nic later at June 17, 2021 04:42 PM (bTQ72)

321 US military stumped by a box of armor-piercing grenades stolen, other reports of scores of missing military weapons

https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=114637
Posted by: SMH at June 17, 2021 04:39 PM (YoCgm)

Man I wish they were just misplaced and I would find them. My zombie apocalypse prepping would be complete.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 17, 2021 04:42 PM (2DOZq)

322 That woman in the red dress outweighs the status.
Posted by: bonhomme

I think that was part of the hilarity. I've never seen anything quite like that. But I live a very sheltered life..ha.

Posted by: lizabth at June 17, 2021 04:42 PM (L3Rsz)

323 >> What is it specifically with this mRNA vaccine's resultant memory cells that causes their longevity to be so much shorter than normal?

This is very complicated business. The immune system is very complex. I MEGLO.

It has to do with binding vs neutralizing antibodies. The mRNA shots make your body produce antibodies to the spike protein, not the whole virus. There is a difference in the natural immunity vs vaccine antibody "package" produced.

Binding antibodies are much higher than neutralizing antibodies produced by the mRNA vaccines. This is a problem. Binding types only bind, they do not kill it (and can make it worse).

They are basing this booster thing on that ratio. After time, the antibody levels fall off, and you're left with just binding ones.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at June 17, 2021 04:42 PM (Mzdiz)

324
Robin, Batman's sidekick, Bruce Wayne's ward, is now officially a homosexual cocksucker.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at June 17, 2021 04:43 PM (+DCi9)

325 Nood. The Supreme court are partisan hack frauds.

Also I postes a link to some hotassery

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at June 17, 2021 04:43 PM (V6f9+)

326 I've worked closely with "scientists" as that is what they have self identified as. By and large, they are fucktards.

That is all.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 17, 2021 04:41 PM (3H9h1)

Most of the ones I've worked with A) think their own shit don't stink and B) walk around like they've got a gold rod shoved up their ass.

They can be so sanctimonious.

Posted by: 496 at June 17, 2021 04:43 PM (U1eOr)

327 > US military stumped by a box of armor-piercing grenades stolen, other reports of scores of missing military weapons

Want to know something really scary? The military and the police lose stuff all the time.

When my dad was in the Air Force, a plane dropped a nuke on the tarmac on takeoff and nobody noticed until some Airman was doing his rounds and spotted the thing.

Cops leave their guns on toilets or in unlocked cars.

I remember one time at Ft Lewis, the entire base got locked down for a week because a pair of highly classified night vision goggles went missing.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 17, 2021 04:44 PM (YYlyE)

328
Now, other vaccines in use for a long time require boosters themselves. I do not know why some produce good memory for life and others do not.

Like I said, the immune system is a very complex system.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at June 17, 2021 04:44 PM (Mzdiz)

329 20 20 20 4 hours to go.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 17, 2021 04:44 PM (W2Pud)

330 U.K. Squeeze might not have got big...

but Meghan McCain made up for them

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2021 04:44 PM (Z/gN4)

331 I'm hesitant to yell Nood. I'm thinking it's too soon for new post.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 17, 2021 04:44 PM (2DOZq)

332 And it's gone.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 17, 2021 04:44 PM (2DOZq)

333 What is it specifically with this mRNA vaccine's resultant memory
cells that causes their longevity to be so much shorter than normal?
So the theory is that messenger rna turn the body's cells into tiny vaccine making factories. I don't think they really know how long the factories stay open, but probably until the next depression when messengers lose their jobs without any back pay. Then they get angry.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2021 04:45 PM (r+sAi)

334 Getting real tired of Megan

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2021 04:45 PM (Cxk7w)

335 And it's back.

Posted by: Just a side note at June 17, 2021 04:45 PM (2DOZq)

336 This Juneteenth thing is hysterical to me.

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2021 04:46 PM (Z/gN4)

337 No Ace bringing her up, just her big pie hole downing the country.

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2021 04:46 PM (Cxk7w)

338 Why not a June teeth week of celebration
June thirteen to June nineteen

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2021 04:47 PM (Cxk7w)

339 Theory: the Juneteenth holiday got pushed through so that the left can hagiograph the "lasting historical accomplishment" of Dementia Joe's semester in office.

I think he's gone very soon.

Posted by: Bert G at June 17, 2021 04:49 PM (EFETN)

340 Theory: the Juneteenth holiday got pushed through so that the left can hagiograph the "lasting historical accomplishment" of Dementia Joe's semester in office. .

'Juneteenth' What the hell is that? C'mon, man...

Posted by: Joe Biden at June 17, 2021 04:55 PM (UMXod)

341 I'm going to look up sidecar martini. Starting a 3 day weekend and martini's are on the menu.
I am intrigued.

Posted by: Bosk at June 17, 2021 04:57 PM (FgPjD)

342 18 is a very bigly number of scientists
But I dont think that is a majority of all scientists

Posted by: Proud Moderate at June 17, 2021 05:01 PM (TbC9J)

343 If the 2024 primary came down to DeSantis vs Trump, who would the Horde back?

Yes, yes. These are very important questions.

Posted by: Special Sauce 3am Mail-In Ballots at June 17, 2021 05:06 PM (Hswbs)

344 Simple explanation -- They didn't blame China because they are on China's payroll. Opposition to Trump makes a good cover story.

Posted by: Bob at June 18, 2021 09:37 AM (pft3j)

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