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Demographics And The New Red States :
Post Election Musings – Part 1
[Dave in Fla]
“Demography is Destiny – Auguste Comte”
CBD asked if I would be interested in offering up some thoughts about the political landscape now that we are looking at the election in the rearview mirror. It has been long enough for me to get past my personal grief over the results and be objective about where things stand. I have a couple related topics that I believe lead to a coherent view of our current political landscape. But they need to be discussed separately in order to see the full picture.
I want to start by discussing demographics because it is the key to understanding my pre-election analysis, understanding the fraud that occurred, and seeing what the future may hold. Since the election, I have had a number of conversations with friends that voted for Biden. When asked about my adamant assertion that Biden won through fraud, my response is “There is no universe where Trump wins Florida and loses Georgia”. This has always been met with uncomfortable silence because the people I am talking to fear it is true.
Let’s look at political ideology for a moment and take out any discussion of political party identification. In 2018, Gallup released a poll that they have done a few times before. It is a nationwide look at self-described political outlook on a state-by-state basis. This was a telephone survey of 75,000 adults. I have posted before about the problems in polling methods, and I am still a firm believer that this type of survey undercounts rural areas while boosting the numbers of urban respondents. So while they claim in this survey that the conservative edge has narrowed from 21 points to 9 points in twelve years, I believe that much of that narrowing is due to methodology, not shifting opinions. However, for the purposes of this discussion, the data provided is useful for comparing the ideologies of individual states.
Overall in this survey, self-identified conservatives were 35%, moderates were 35%, and liberals were 26%. The survey then breaks down the “gap” for all 50 states. The most conservative state is Mississippi with C/M/L of 50/29/12 (+38 ). The most liberal state is Massachusetts with a C/M/L of 21/38/35 (-14). Note that in 2020, the conservative advantage nationwide went UP to 36/35/25 compared to 2018.
Now I can already hear some of you gearing up to tell me “Moderates are lying, they are really Liberals!”. I’m not going to argue the point. There is a legitimate discussion to be made on how those moderates vote, and do they lean more toward socialism or capitalism. Also what are their views on social issues like abortion, CRT, etc. But let’s normalize to compare relative levels of conservatism between states, without getting caught up in the percentages. Looking at 7 very important states in the 2020 election, Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Ohio, the C/M/L of these states are as follows:
Georgia : 39/35/19 (+20)
Arizona : 37/36/21 (+16)
Ohio : 37/35/22 (+15)
Florida : 36/36/22 (+14)
Wisconsin : 35/37/24 (+11)
Michigan : 33/38/23 (+10)
Pennsylvania : 34/36/24 (+10)
It should be obvious now why Georgia and Arizona results are very suspicious. Both have higher conservative identification than Florida and Ohio, states that Trump won easily. In the case of Georgia, much higher. To be fair, it is possible that demographic shifts in two years moved a sizable portion of blue voters into Georgia, but the numbers make that unlikely. Georgia would have had to import an aggregate of 1 million Democrat voters into the state in a 2 year period to overcome the ideological advantage conservatives hold.
Couple that with the fact that Florida is widely viewed as having conducted a fair election. No one on either side is questioning the results. The same demographic shifts would have occurred in Florida, yet our results are much different.
Using the Gallup results, we can provide a simple (probably too simple) formula for figuring out approximately how many votes Trump should have gotten in each state. Florida and Ohio provide a control group. Trump won Florida by 400K votes out of 11M votes or 3.6%. Trump won Ohio by 475K votes out of 6M votes or 7.9%. Using Florida as the worst case value of the two controls, then a conservative advantage should have been worth about 2500 votes per million votes cast times the advantage value. As a formula it would be [Trump lead = 2500 * # of millions of votes * conservative lead in the state]. This yields the following projected Trump margins:
Georgia : 250,000
Arizona : 132,000
Wisconsin : 88,000
Michigan : 125,000
Pennsylvania : 170,000
Note that if we used Ohio as a benchmark, which is arguably a better cultural fit with Pennsylvania, the margin in Pennsylvania should have been over 500K.
All of these numbers are interesting, but I’m not really trying to litigate the election. What I want to point out is that the rust belt states are very close ideologically to Florida and Ohio. The major differences are likely contained in their urban areas that are more blue than the urban areas of Cleveland and Miami. This means that issue resonance for voters should be similar. Florida is a lot more like Pennsylvania than it is like Mississippi, yet we have the nation’s most popular governor enacting signature conservative legislation. And it isn’t just the governor, the Florida House passed the anti-censorship bill 78-41. Just like Florida, Republicans hold majorities in the state houses in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. This shows that at the individual district level, the conservative advantage is significant.
The wild card in all of this is how will people vote. Ideological advantage does not equate to party affiliation advantage. Despite the 2020 conservative advantage of 11 points, a different Gallup poll (shown in the graphic) finds that in 2020 the Democrats held a slight lead in party affiliation, 31% to 29%. However, in 2021 Democrat identification dropped to 30%, and Republican identification dropped off a cliff down to 25%. Self-identified independents are up to 44%, the highest number since 2013 after Romney lost.
Gallup also polls to gauge how the independents lean. In 2020 the Democrat and Democrat leaners were 6 points higher than GOP/GOP leaners at 49/44. In 2021 the Dem/Dem leaner number stayed the same, 49%. The GOP/GOP leaners dropped to 40%.
This shows why we are seeing Paul Ryan and Liz Cheney suddenly putting themselves out to denounce Trump and Trumpism. They are looking at a significant abandonment of the party, and this concerns them. Since there are a lot of donation dollars tied to party affiliation, they want those people back. Their belief is that these voters left out of disgust of Trump, the Trump agenda, and the actions of protesters on January 6th.
But that is only one possible explanation. An equally valid argument is that voters have abandoned the Republican party because they did not fight to save an obviously stolen election. So far, I haven’t seen any polling that asks the important question of WHY these voters have switched to being independents. One thing we do know, it isn’t because they changed their political philosophy. Conservatives STILL hold a steady commanding plurality in this country, and especially in the new Red States. In my next post, I will talk about legislative activity in these Red States to change voting laws in response to the 2020 election.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at June 11, 2021 01:12 PM (wAnMi)
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at June 11, 2021 01:12 PM (wAnMi)
Posted by: Doug at June 11, 2021 01:12 PM (HMHlJ)
Posted by: Dominion and mail in fraud at June 11, 2021 01:12 PM (Ojki1)
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at June 11, 2021 01:13 PM (wAnMi)
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 01:13 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at June 11, 2021 01:13 PM (wAnMi)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 11, 2021 01:14 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Getting the banned back together at June 11, 2021 01:14 PM (MCs7E)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 11, 2021 01:14 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 01:15 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 01:15 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at June 11, 2021 01:16 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 01:16 PM (V13WU)
They would be wrong.
Great post, Dave in Fla!
Posted by: Jordan61, I am the 30% at June 11, 2021 01:16 PM (Ez6QX)
Posted by: SMH at June 11, 2021 01:16 PM (3BxAr)
I thought only Teh Ewok did AoS movie reviews...
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 11, 2021 01:16 PM (n+4am)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 11, 2021 01:16 PM (5p7BC)
Well also, I'm not telling some stranger on the phone that I am a conservative.
In fact, I keep suggesting that we register as liberal Dems
1) for insurance against witch hunts since the GOP is feckless
2) but more importantly I think we can do significant damage from the inside as saboteurs, and simultaneously sidestep the NeverTrump Betrayals currently on our 6.
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 11, 2021 01:16 PM (83lwH)
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 01:15 PM (Zz0t1)
Or alternately, we ain't voting our way out of this.
Posted by: Bete at June 11, 2021 01:16 PM (Ojki1)
Posted by: andycanuck at June 11, 2021 01:16 PM (UHVv4)
==
I don't usually quote trolls, but I believe this one is trying to tell us something...
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 01:17 PM (V13WU)
It matters who controls the software that counts the votes.
Posted by: That guy who modifies quotes at June 11, 2021 01:17 PM (jYQlA)
Posted by: andycanuck at June 11, 2021 01:16 PM (UHVv4)
Don't forget to turn the camera off.
Posted by: Jordan61, I am the 30% at June 11, 2021 01:17 PM (Ez6QX)
Posted by: East of Omaha at June 11, 2021 01:17 PM (qTBpx)
Every anomaly can't occur simultaneously, though. The probability of that happening has to be so infinitesimally small that we could legitimately say it's virtually impossible for them to all happen at once.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Biden loves young people at June 11, 2021 01:18 PM (e6I/s)
Posted by: andycanuck at June 11, 2021 01:16 PM (UHVv4)
Don't forget to turn the camera off.
Posted by: Jordan61,
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 01:18 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: SMH at June 11, 2021 01:16 PM (3BxAr)
Next you'll wonder why all the new gun laws don't seem to stop crime.
Posted by: Bete at June 11, 2021 01:18 PM (Ojki1)
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at June 11, 2021 01:18 PM (wAnMi)
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 01:18 PM (y7DUB)
It sure doesn't feel that way.
Posted by: Long gpCoin at June 11, 2021 01:19 PM (qpX6U)
This has always been met with uncomfortable silence because the people I am talking to fear it is true.
They don't fear that it's true, they know it. They know damned well that the Donks stole the election for Bai Den, and they APPROVE. They just don't want to admit it in polite company.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 11, 2021 01:19 PM (n+4am)
They would be wrong.
Great post, Dave in Fla!
Posted by: Jordan61, I am the 30% at June 11, 2021 01:16 PM (Ez6QX)
Yeah. Trump was pulling thousands into arenas during a pandemic for his rallies.
But we're out on him.........
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 01:19 PM (Zz0t1)
we know what happened and we know that they know we know
if I've learned ANYTHING the last year and a half in PA, it's that our "pathocracy" govt CAN and WILL punish us. we've been being PUNISHED for voting too heavily Trump
anyway great analysis thanks Dave
a lot of people (including me) rip our supposedly R legislature here in PA for being squishes. BUT the true fault here is in the completely corrupt and partisan and constitutionally-ignorant State Supreme Court. no matter what we do, we're seemingly screwed.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 11, 2021 01:20 PM (j9HX3)
You're closer to the mark in the after-the-graphic continuation, I think. I think that the only answer that is palatable to the likes of Cheney and Ryan is "it's Trump's fault." They're going to be fine no matter what - they're set for life - but it's the principle of the thing. They cannot acknowledge a world where their professional success hinges on people who like someone that they themselves hate so much.
Their actions are harming their party even more, but they don't care. I think that, psychologically, they *need* it to be Trump's fault. Because otherwise they'll have psychotic breaks and lumber around in fugue states.
Very nice essay, Dave. Thank you.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 11, 2021 01:20 PM (Jsjd7)
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 01:20 PM (Zz0t1)
But we're out on him.........
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 01:19 PM (Zz0t1)
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To be fair, he raised tariffs. I left the party because he raised tariffs on China.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 11, 2021 01:20 PM (LvTSG)
Thanks, man. Very interesting.
Speaking specifically of Ohio, the cities are majority Democrats (but that majority gets thinner and thicker depending on the city), but many suburbs and almost all of rural Ohio is very Republican / Conservative. Every city except Columbus has LOST population in the last 20 years (if you go back 50 years, it is even more dramatic). That also tells you about how "popular" Democrats and their policies are.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....Living on the prison planet at June 11, 2021 01:20 PM (vcOmj)
How deep Red states keep putting in traitors like McConnell and squishes is beyond me.
Posted by: Loki, Kavanaugh is Deep, Deep State at June 11, 2021 01:20 PM (KqiMr)
Posted by: andycanuck
Don't forget to turn the camera off.
Posted by: Jordan61
Aa;/gdjkoetgbubcd:@-"ddsysk
Harvckiiodg-:;|++/dhknxiehdm
Ok. His camera should be back on now.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2021 01:20 PM (OCTRt)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 11, 2021 01:20 PM (KZzsI)
(Looks at the last 12 years)
I'm not seeing it.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at June 11, 2021 01:21 PM (Bmy3R)
Posted by: ... at June 11, 2021 01:21 PM (Eg4A3)
**
Every time I get a mailing asking me what the Republicans can do to stop Biden and the Democrat agenda, I write in the "other" section: "Figure out how to get people to bother to vote for any (R)s again after what you showed us in 2020."
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Biden loves young people at June 11, 2021 01:21 PM (e6I/s)
Posted by: flounder at June 11, 2021 01:21 PM (KnJdm)
Posted by: ... at June 11, 2021 01:21 PM (Eg4A3)
++++
Gerald Ford.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 11, 2021 01:21 PM (Jsjd7)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Actually no. This is laying groundwork.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 11, 2021 01:21 PM (5p7BC)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Biden loves young people at June 11, 2021 01:21 PM (e6I/s)
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"Firing Paul Ryan out of a cannon into the sea would be a good step 1. I know a cannon guy. Call me."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 11, 2021 01:22 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 01:20 PM (Zz0t1)
Yup.
Posted by: Jordan61, I am the 30% at June 11, 2021 01:22 PM (Ez6QX)
Actually no. This is laying groundwork.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 11, 2021 01:21 PM (5p7BC)
This is groundwork?
I'd hate to see your movie reviews.......
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 01:22 PM (Zz0t1)
I think this is true. That describes my husband. He HAS to believe - otherwise what? It's like this for certain types of civic-minded people.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 11, 2021 01:23 PM (j9HX3)
Yup.
Posted by: Jordan61, I am the 30% at June 11, 2021 01:22 PM (Ez6QX)
You see LCD, as I'm told he's going, tell him to get his ass back on here.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 01:23 PM (Zz0t1)
https://is.gd/Fhk85S
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 11, 2021 01:23 PM (Jsjd7)
I fail to see a problem.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2021 01:24 PM (OCTRt)
https://is.gd/Fhk85S
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 11, 2021 01:23 PM (Jsjd7)
Wind or big ass?
YOU decide......
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 01:24 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: West at June 11, 2021 01:24 PM (QY+6a)
THIS.
If you do not:
- agree the election was stolen and vow to punish the steal;
- support Trump;
- despise and ridicule the MFM
- you will never get my support. And I cannot be the only one who feels that way.
(and thanks, Dave, for the depressing news that Maskachusetts is the most liberal state. It figures.)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 11, 2021 01:24 PM (2JVJo)
I had to explain to a client the other day that he was going to have to pay an additional 25% China tariff plus the regular tariff. When he sputtered, I explained that "The China tariffs are still in effect." Dude (he was Canadian) kept going "But I thought all that went away when Biden was elected!"
Letting go that "elected" BS, I told him "You just don't hear people screaming about it on the news anymore because Trump isn't POTUS anymore* but they are still in effect."
8 - I know, but he's Canadian, sounded like a Trump hater and a Socialist
Posted by: Guy Smiley at June 11, 2021 01:25 PM (Bmy3R)
Their actions are harming their party even more, but they don't care. I think that, psychologically, they *need* it to be Trump's fault. Because otherwise they'll have psychotic breaks and lumber around in fugue states.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 11, 2021 01:20 PM (Jsjd7)
Or they need it to be Trump's fault because the people who pay them know that should the Rep part as currently funded is shown to be a token opposition at best, and a fake one at worst, the party will lose the support of many/most and a real opposition party may arise.
And buying them off will take time, where as the GoPe is already the pipeline for that and any idealistic new electee who thinks they should do what their electors want.
Its all a con game, and Rep voters have been the mark for ages.
Posted by: Bete at June 11, 2021 01:25 PM (Ojki1)
One factor not considered.. Trump fatigue.
A lot of conservative and even more moderates were just tired of the drama. I know most everyone here denies this, but it is true.
And, it explains the disparity of Trump votes to down ballot votes.. where conservatives won their races easily, but Trump still lost.
That said, I still think the election was stolen, but by a much smaller margin that your estimates show.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 11, 2021 01:25 PM (CjFDo)
YOU decide......
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 01:24 PM (Zz0t1)
Gas
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 11, 2021 01:25 PM (cSyAR)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 11, 2021 01:25 PM (hcb9g)
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 01:23 PM (Zz0t1)
I can do that.
Posted by: Jordan61, I am the 30% at June 11, 2021 01:26 PM (Ez6QX)
I am working to make sure my local fuckin useless state rep is gone. And I am in one of the most conservative areas of the state.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 11, 2021 01:26 PM (ufFY8)
Or they figured we'd give up on Trump as quickly as Mutt Rombley and the Bush Crime Family. The difference is we honestly liked DJT unlike those other turds Top Men imposed on us.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 01:26 PM (y7DUB)
Posted by: Guy Smiley at June 11, 2021 01:26 PM (Bmy3R)
HMMM?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 11, 2021 01:26 PM (LvTSG)
Letting go that "elected" BS, I told him "You just don't hear people screaming about it on the news anymore because Trump isn't POTUS anymore* but they are still in effect."
8 - I know, but he's Canadian, sounded like a Trump hater and a Socialist
Posted by: Guy Smiley at June 11, 2021 01:25 PM (Bmy3R)
Being in Denmark after Trump was elected, they were pissing about the cost of shipping Cisco network gear into the US.
I told them Cisco was an American company, so buy it IN America and you avoid all of that.
I'm still convinced we were propping up the Danish economy by buying everything there and shipping it elsewhere.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 01:26 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at June 11, 2021 01:13 PM (wAnMi)
So, you brought nobody back with you.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 11, 2021 01:27 PM (II3Gr)
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Great article otherwise, but this is like saying a leopard has spots because it's after Labor Day.
Posted by: ... at June 11, 2021 01:27 PM (Eg4A3)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 11, 2021 01:27 PM (hcb9g)
But this post is only to establish some facts about the nature of the country's ideological makeup.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 11, 2021 01:28 PM (5p7BC)
"They don't fear that it's true, they know it. They know damned well that the Donks stole the election for Bai Den, and they APPROVE. They just don't want to admit it in polite company."
To borrow from Derbyshire with minor edits:
"A small cohort of Democrats - in my experience, around five percent - is ferociously hostile to Republicans and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of Democrats - around half - will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event. They will do this out of solidarity, the natural willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling that Conservatives have it coming."
(interesting that you have to search "Derbyshire The Talk ACTUAL TEXT to return anything than PCBS re it)
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 11, 2021 01:28 PM (83lwH)
The Moochers vote for The Looters who then ass rape The Producers.
Until we eliminate The Moochers or The Looters or both, The Producers might as well keep their pants down around their ankles.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 11, 2021 01:28 PM (R/m4+)
People were EXCITED about Trump. Went to large events. Biden? Hid in his basement.
All polls pre election said there was between a 10% and 15% Republican advantage in voter enthusiasm.
yet.... even though Trump got MORE votes than President in history.... he still lost? Somehow, even with the enthusiasm gap, there were HISTORIC turnouts in Democrat areas?
How the F does that happen?
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 11, 2021 01:28 PM (oHd/0)
But does any of this really matter now? It seems you're assuming there will be honest elections sometime in the future. You'll have to forgive me if I no longer believe that.
Posted by: creeper at June 11, 2021 01:28 PM (XxJt1)
Posted by: andycanuck at June 11, 2021 01:29 PM (UHVv4)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 11, 2021 01:28 PM (5p7BC)
You must. It makes everything look better.
Posted by: Dominion Voting Machines at June 11, 2021 01:29 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at June 11, 2021 01:29 PM (K2SnJ)
Thank you for not giving up
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 11, 2021 01:29 PM (83lwH)
Wow. Wonder what that cost is "per vote for Biden." Expensive scam. They must hate Trump with a thousand suns. Chicom enemy is everywhere and in everything,
Posted by: Fool Otto at June 11, 2021 01:29 PM (DB16e)
Hey.
My camera's on.
Posted by: andycanuck at June 11, 2021 01:29 PM (UHVv4)
😬
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 01:30 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 11, 2021 01:25 PM (CjFDo)
Wrong
Posted by: MAC SOG'''' at June 11, 2021 01:30 PM (P4Pk9)
HMMM?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 11, 2021 01:26 PM (LvTSG)
If -if- that were true, I hope they enjoy the good and hard to their utmost content.
Posted by: Bete at June 11, 2021 01:30 PM (Ojki1)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 11, 2021 01:30 PM (hcb9g)
really sad.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 11, 2021 01:30 PM (j9HX3)
How the F does that happen?
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 11, 2021 01:28 PM (oHd/0)
**
Or winning fewer counties than Obama and still somehow beating Trump.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Biden loves young people at June 11, 2021 01:30 PM (e6I/s)
It matters who controls the software that counts the votes
Posted by: That guy who modifies quotes at June 11, 2021 01:30 PM (jYQlA)
YOU decide......
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 01:24 PM
All that junk status:
[X] Inside that trunk
[ ] Not inside that trunk
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 11, 2021 01:30 PM (m+jkK)
A lot of conservative and even more moderates were just tired of the drama. I know most everyone here denies this, but it is true.
Trump fatigue. Yeah. Right. That's why he would turn out 80,000 people to a 50,000 seat venue.
EVERY TIME.
Trump fatigue. Bwahahahahahahaha!
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2021 01:30 PM (OCTRt)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy
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Aren't there laws against that sort of thing?
Posted by: SMH at June 11, 2021 01:31 PM (3BxAr)
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 11, 2021 01:28 PM (oHd/0)
Mail in voting, lax signature requirements, vote adjudication, and mysterious midnight ballot drops after kicking out election observers.
Posted by: flounder at June 11, 2021 01:31 PM (KnJdm)
All you had to do was watch all the detailed post election analysis and breakdowns by the media.
Posted by: ... at June 11, 2021 01:32 PM (Eg4A3)
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at June 11, 2021 01:32 PM (mntYC)
yet.... even though Trump got MORE votes than President in
history.... he still lost? Somehow, even with the enthusiasm gap, there
were HISTORIC turnouts in Democrat areas?
How the F does that happen?
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 11, 2021 01:28 PM
Trump got more votes for a second term than any other president in US history including obama. He got almost 10 MILLION more votes in 2020 than he got in 2016. Trump did not lose the election.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 11, 2021 01:32 PM (JUOKG)
Or they figured we'd give up on Trump as quickly as Mutt Rombley and the Bush Crime Family. The difference is we honestly liked DJT unlike those other turds Top Men imposed on us.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 01:26 PM (y7DUB)
Well, that plan worked with Perot's reform party... people came back to the 'fold'.
It worked with the TEA party, once they betrayed them.
They think it will work again... that we will come back to the Gimp Old Party simply because we have no where else to go... Not gonna happen IMO.
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 11, 2021 01:32 PM (oHd/0)
Posted by: jeet at June 11, 2021 01:32 PM (g741k)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy
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Aren't there laws against that sort of thing?
Posted by: SMH at June 11, 2021 01:31 PM (3BxAr)
Look, they posted Fraud Free Zone signs all around the polling places. What more can one do?
/
Posted by: Bete at June 11, 2021 01:32 PM (Ojki1)
goto:aghhg# $*@&htga seachmoron: %$@&ghaot camera: ghaoty#*!^
Damn you, rickb223!!! Damn you!!!
Posted by: andycanuck at June 11, 2021 01:32 PM (UHVv4)
Posted by: ... at June 11, 2021 01:33 PM (Eg4A3)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 11, 2021 01:30 PM
Stop vote fraud with this one simple trick!*
*Watermarked numbered ballots.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 11, 2021 01:33 PM (JUOKG)
Cart-horse reversal. People are abandoning the party because the party establishment obstructed him on and off of years, then stabbed him in the back.
The GOP deserves to crash and burn, and the sellouts, shills, and charlatans running it deserve what likely awaits them when the wheels fall off and things get really sporty.
Posted by: somedood at June 11, 2021 01:33 PM (h9tOc)
Posted by: andycanuck at June 11, 2021 01:34 PM (UHVv4)
Posted by: ... at June 11, 2021 01:33 PM (Eg4A3)
Reasons, and because shut up.
Posted by: flounder at June 11, 2021 01:34 PM (KnJdm)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy
Aren't there laws against that sort of thing?
Posted by: SMH at June 11, 2021 01:31 PM (3BxAr)
Does not matter if they won't ENFORCE the law. Which we know from recent history, they won't.
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 11, 2021 01:34 PM (oHd/0)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2021 01:34 PM (OCTRt)
EVERY TIME.
Trump fatigue. Bwahahahahahahaha!
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2021 01:30 PM
And people in my neck of the woods are still flying banners, flags and yard signs "Trump/2020"
Posted by: Fool Otto at June 11, 2021 01:34 PM (DB16e)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 11, 2021 01:28 PM (5p7BC)
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I would appreciate this, because I will admit that I don't see much of a point above the county level.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Biden loves young people at June 11, 2021 01:34 PM (e6I/s)
Posted by: jeet at June 11, 2021 01:32 PM (g741k)
Just one more ? You will soon meet somebody tall, dark and handsome...
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 01:34 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 11, 2021 01:34 PM (cSyAR)
An equally valid argument is that voters have abandoned the Republican party because they did not fight to save an obviously stolen election.
Bingo... that's why I am no longer registered R in Florida.
Posted by: weew at June 11, 2021 01:35 PM (EaEMG)
Note how the media will now do some puff pieces and very few stories on the current WH inhabitants. Radio silence is great for the LIV: no drama, no noise = happy life watching tv.
Posted by: Two Weeks at June 11, 2021 01:35 PM (ELnqd)
>>Aren't there laws against that sort of thing?
Hold on, I'm going to check with Amy Coney Barrett, see if she's up to speed on that.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 11, 2021 01:35 PM (9jFYd)
Posted by: Unkaren at June 11, 2021 01:35 PM (vGJY7)
Posted by: Long gpCoin at June 11, 2021 01:36 PM (qpX6U)
One of the big takeaways about moderates used to be that they get their news from the mainstream outlets, but they can be persuaded to vote to the right on a case by case basis.
Yeah, they can be jellyfish, but they aren't full on Borg like liberals are.
Posted by: callsign claymore at June 11, 2021 01:36 PM (w2mZ7)
Posted by: SMH at June 11, 2021 01:36 PM (3BxAr)
Posted by: Fool Otto at June 11, 2021 01:34 PM (DB16e)
Dem Bitch complained about how there were Trump flags and American Flags on Trucks... LAST WEEK!
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 11, 2021 01:36 PM (oHd/0)
And people in my neck of the woods are still flying banners, flags and yard signs "Trump/2020"
Posted by: Fool Otto at June 11, 2021 01:34 PM (DB16e)
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Same here. Zero Biden signs and such, though. Such a mystery.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Biden loves young people at June 11, 2021 01:36 PM (e6I/s)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 11, 2021 01:36 PM (GPwVZ)
It's certainly what I would tell a pollster why I left the Replublican party. I'd say I wouldn't cast a vote for an R even running for dog catcher.
Posted by: Monsieur Gaga at June 11, 2021 01:37 PM (4ZE6o)
I have been thinking about how rich I would be if I hadn't been taxed so fucking much in the 80s, and 90s. We, the productive, pay for everything.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at June 11, 2021 01:37 PM (xopIz)
>>Aren't there laws against that sort of thing?
Hold on, I'm going to check with Amy Coney Barrett, see if she's up to speed on that.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 11, 2021 01:35 PM (9jFYd)
We'll circle back to that one...
Posted by: Jen Ptooii at June 11, 2021 01:37 PM (oHd/0)
Posted by: Commander Tacticool at June 11, 2021 01:37 PM (0t+fn)
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 11, 2021 01:34 PM (cSyAR)
I was thinking, "treasonous commie cock-sucking media fatigue," but I suppose, "Trump deranged media fatigue" is close enough.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at June 11, 2021 01:38 PM (DTX3h)
Posted by: Fool Otto at June 11, 2021 01:34 PM (DB16e)
There are a few Trump Won flags in my neighborhood.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 01:38 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at June 11, 2021 01:38 PM (xopIz)
Posted by: SMH at June 11, 2021 01:31 PM (3BxAr)
Why do these things always happen in "No Vote Fraud" zones?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 11, 2021 01:38 PM (T7iTv)
You can vote 'em in, but you can't vote 'em out.
Posted by: Zek at June 11, 2021 01:38 PM (5RTdG)
Posted by: Unkaren at June 11, 2021 01:38 PM (vGJY7)
https://tinyurl.com/39dy38uu
Posted by: Vic/i at June 11, 2021 01:39 PM (mpXpK)
Sorry not sorry, but how is THAT your answer? What do they say to: "Because 5-6 states stopped counting votes AT THE SAME TIME, kicked out observers and magically "found" bags of ballots that just so happened to be ALL for Biden?"
Posted by: Dark Helmet at June 11, 2021 01:39 PM (Oka5v)
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 11, 2021 01:39 PM (cSyAR)
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at June 11, 2021 01:38 PM (DTX3h)
I'm STILL seeing Ads on dating sites... new ads... which say no Trump supporters.
He is STILL living in their heads.
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 11, 2021 01:39 PM (oHd/0)
I was wrong.
Posted by: creeper at June 11, 2021 01:39 PM (XxJt1)
Same here. Zero Biden signs and such, though. Such a mystery.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Biden loves young people at June 11, 2021 01:36 PM (e6I/s)
He went to Georgia and NO ONE SHOWED UP.
But he won Georgia........
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 01:39 PM (Zz0t1)
Just one more ? You will soon meet somebody tall, dark and handsome...
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 01:34 PM (V13WU)
Well talk, dressed in a black robe, SPEAKS LIKE THIS anyway.
Posted by: Bete at June 11, 2021 01:39 PM (Ojki1)
Posted by: Vic/ at June 11, 2021 01:39 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at June 11, 2021 01:39 PM (xEIoY)
The red ones. The Redskins. The Fucking Redskins.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at June 11, 2021 01:39 PM (QDG3d)
Posted by: lizabth at June 11, 2021 01:39 PM (L3Rsz)
"Although early results of the parallel vote tabulation had indicated Trump was winning, when the official results were announced, Biden was said to have won by a wide margin. The elections are widely considered to have been fraudulent and that Biden and the Democrats resorted to electoral fraud to remain in power. All of the opposition denounced that the elections had been rigged, and there were many protests throughout the country against the electoral fraud, including by opposition lawmakers in the Congress. Biden, however, was able to take office on 20 January as President, after the Congress declared that his election had been valid."
That passage is one I pulled from an article about the 1988 general election in Mexico, and changed the names to our guys.
It's no different than this, and will have the same practical result from the outrage: none. We will continue to slide through to the denouement, when we become a squalid and lawless kleptocracy like them.
ONCE THEY CAN GO THIS FAR, IT'S TOO LATE.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 11, 2021 01:40 PM (vpYjV)
Posted by: Unkaren
Personally, I gave Trump more money in 2016 than in 2020. It wasn't that I had "fatique", it was that 2016 seemed a long shot, and the possibility and likelihood of Hillary! getting elected was very real.
We all thought Donald had the 2020 Election "in the bag", and Nobody!, except the very clever and cynical would have thought the Democrats would blatantly steal the 2020 election, and then the Uniparty would smack down every effort to figure out what happened.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....Living on the prison planet at June 11, 2021 01:40 PM (vcOmj)
Posted by: Unkaren at June 11, 2021 01:40 PM (vGJY7)
Posted by: Vic at June 11, 2021 01:40 PM (mpXpK)
They told us how they would cheat, they cheated and they got away with it.
Who's to fucking say that the dumb SOB SOS in GA, won't enter into some other consent decree with Tank and her group?
Also, the majority of the steals were executed in black/POC controlled cites, we have to stop being scared of charges of racism and demand accountability and transparency.
Because this shit is going to keep happening until it's stopped by force.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 11, 2021 01:40 PM (9jFYd)
Posted by: Vic at June 11, 2021 01:40 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: JuJuBee at June 11, 2021 01:40 PM (mNhhD)
No more money OR my vote until Ryan, Romney, Cheney and Kintzinger et al are kicked out of the party.
Posted by: President Orange Man Bad (Rheees Be Upon Him) at June 11, 2021 01:41 PM (jV+aN)
Posted by: Guzalot at June 11, 2021 01:41 PM (prSvo)
But he won Georgia........
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt
We should let Stacy Abrams weigh in on this.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....Living on the prison planet at June 11, 2021 01:41 PM (vcOmj)
Pay to play? Family member on the payroll?
It would be poetic.
Posted by: Zek at June 11, 2021 01:41 PM (5RTdG)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 11, 2021 01:20 PM (Jsjd7)
They are fictional characters saying what they're paid to say. Nobody will ever know what the actors who play them actually think, but it's irrelevant.
Posted by: Commander Tacticool at June 11, 2021 01:41 PM (0t+fn)
I've been saying for years now to anyone who will listen that both parties are moribund, people just haven't realized it yet. What the Ds and Rs are selling, nobody is buying. Very few people are ideologically in line with rabid racist collectivism or syndicalist, corporate pseudocapitalism.
We're still mostly a nation of conservative liberals and progressive liberals. It's only the craziest on social media and the ridiculous media pumping their craziness into the national discourse that makes it seem otherwise.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 11, 2021 01:41 PM (6FeV1)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 11, 2021 01:41 PM (hcb9g)
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Wow. Hot take by the GOPe.
Voters left because the election was stolen by the uniparty, and there's no point in voting.
Posted by: simplemind at June 11, 2021 01:41 PM (G7pvv)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at June 11, 2021 01:41 PM (I58tH)
Posted by: Bete at June 11, 2021 01:39 PM (Ojki1)
2/3. I am very good at fortune telling. Ask me anything !
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 01:41 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: whig at June 11, 2021 01:41 PM (pO7gM)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 11, 2021 01:41 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: creeper
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Yes I think it matters, but I get the skepticism. I have another post that will make it's way to the front page that discusses this. And I even try to be skeptical in it
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 11, 2021 01:41 PM (5p7BC)
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 11, 2021 01:42 PM (cSyAR)
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 01:42 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks
I did that with the dog eater in 2008. Some were family.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2021 01:42 PM (OCTRt)
Posted by: Vic at June 11, 2021 01:42 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Justsayin' at June 11, 2021 01:43 PM (Fs5vw)
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at June 11, 2021 01:43 PM (xopIz)
...smells like MATH
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 11, 2021 01:43 PM (oEn12)
And again, another black Donk official that used her color and the fear of being called racist to almost steal elections from DeSantis and Scott.
Scott who by the way is a POS, but that's par for the course with the GOP.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 11, 2021 01:43 PM (9jFYd)
Posted by: Fool Otto at June 11, 2021 01:34 PM (DB16e)
Lake county Ohio has lots of Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Trump signs. People refuse to STFU
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 01:43 PM (y7DUB)
Posted by: Guzalot
Yes, that's unfortunately correct.
We are literally on the edge of falling into an abyss.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....Living on the prison planet at June 11, 2021 01:44 PM (vcOmj)
One potential explanation - the real power brokers don't actually want the reforms they pretend to be fighting for.
Posted by: Broseidon at June 11, 2021 01:44 PM (icI8A)
Posted by: Most folks at June 11, 2021 01:44 PM (5RTdG)
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 01:44 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Vic at June 11, 2021 01:44 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 11, 2021 01:44 PM (oEn12)
Posted by: simplemind at June 11, 2021 01:41 PM (G7pvv)
voters also left because the Repubs were COMPLICIT in the steel, via their silence.
Pence? I won't vote for a traitor.
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 11, 2021 01:45 PM (oHd/0)
Posted by: Diogenes at June 11, 2021 01:45 PM (axyOa)
Another issue for the coming years is how Covid has changed demographics. We know before this scam people were fleeing the blue states they ruined, and thanks to Covid many liberals left major cities and relocated to suburbs to also ruin them. Hopefully enough people didn't flee into Red states, providing just enough votes, added with those faked and stolen, so start flipping places from Red to Blue.
Posted by: Rbastid at June 11, 2021 01:45 PM (9XGWp)
Posted by: jeet
The Soviet Union is here to stay!! Get used to the Berlin Wall and Iron Curtain! It's never coming down.
-Your IC Betters
Posted by: IC Report circa 1988 at June 11, 2021 01:45 PM (KY22T)
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt
A LOT of people had Trump banners, and still have them out. This is not due to laziness.
And yeah, some people have gotten the new banner, Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Trump.
I see it as a continuous "FU" to Democrats in general and Bidenettes in particular.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....Living on the prison planet at June 11, 2021 01:45 PM (vcOmj)
become the law of elections. All of this polling shit will be moot
(much like it already is).
Posted by: Justsayin' at June 11, 2021 01:43 PM
manchin is up for reelection in 2024, he ain't gonna vote for anything because he knows he will lose his seat if he does. If Trump is on the ticket he will most certainly lose. He barely won reelection in 2018 against an extremely weak opponent in a mid term election.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 11, 2021 01:45 PM (JUOKG)
I was wrong.
Posted by: creeper at June 11, 2021 01:39 PM (XxJt1)
If i predict the sun will rise in the east tomorrow, and someone rotates the dial on your compass overnight, that doesn't make my prediction wrong.
If i predict a projectile will travel in a parabola, and it doesn't, that doesn't mean i was wrong. It means the projectile hit something or was otherwise disturbed.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 11, 2021 01:46 PM (6FeV1)
It just hides the fraud better.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 11, 2021 01:46 PM (hcb9g)
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 01:44 PM (V13WU)
Well.... started dying in 1860... got more wounded in the early 1900s...
Just strong enough to take a long time to die.
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 11, 2021 01:46 PM (oHd/0)
Fuck. That would explain the flies.
Posted by: Most folks at June 11, 2021 01:44 PM (5RTdG)
The "Republic" as envisioned by the founders died in 1865. We became an oligarchy controlled by DC.
Posted by: Vic at June 11, 2021 01:47 PM (mpXpK)
@tomselliott
.@BorisJohnson: G7 nations must build back in a "greener," "more gender neutral and perhaps a more feminine way"
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Excuse me while I vomit.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 11, 2021 01:47 PM (d9FiS)
that's solid analysis. and i don't disagree with it. i especially think you nailed the ryan cheney angle, and i am enjoying watchin git blow up in their face.
much like a hunting trip with dick...
Posted by: SturmToddler at June 11, 2021 01:47 PM (8D42x)
Again, there were existing laws in GA, the SOS of GA entered into a consent decree and changed GA voting law on his own fucking authority, the GA GOP did fuckall to correct this.
Now after the fact they passed some laws, but again, what's stopping the SOS from simply doing whatever the fuck he wants again?
You simply cannot trust these people at all.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 11, 2021 01:47 PM (9jFYd)
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt
A LOT of people had Trump banners, and still have them out. This is not due to laziness.
And yeah, some people have gotten the new banner, Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Trump.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....Living on the prison planet at June 11, 2021 01:45 PM (vcOmj)
I need to get me one of those.
Posted by: Jordan61, I am the 30% at June 11, 2021 01:47 PM (Ez6QX)
Not really. We could care less who you are or even who you vote for. We're egalitarian that way!
Posted by: DOMINION at June 11, 2021 01:47 PM (AytXr)
Posted by: andycanuck at June 11, 2021 01:16 PM (UHVv4)
Don't forget to turn the camera off.
Posted by: Jordan61,
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 01:18 PM (V13WU)
should have socked "bob at the NSA"...
Posted by: SturmToddler at June 11, 2021 01:47 PM (8D42x)
Posted by: Flatville Bill at June 11, 2021 01:48 PM (tEsMf)
I've been hearing about the death of the republic for as long as I can remember.
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 01:44 PM (V13WU)
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And this isn't it, and you'll continue to hear it. It died awhile ago.
Everybody always says the death of the Republic is around the corner. Everybody. Both sides. But it's an odds-on bet that it'll eventually be true, and 2008-12 was that time.
Politicians will continue shouting it for awhile to come, until they formally end it, because the illusion of representative rule is critical to their scam.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 11, 2021 01:48 PM (vpYjV)
that's solid analysis. and i don't disagree with it. i especially think you nailed the ryan cheney angle, and i am enjoying watchin git blow up in their face.
much like a hunting trip with dick...
Posted by: SturmToddler at June 11, 2021 01:47 PM (8D42x)
I hunted my dick and it blew up in my face. In a Zoom meeting.....Things happen.
Posted by: Jeffrey Toobin at June 11, 2021 01:48 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at June 11, 2021 01:48 PM (cBHgD)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 11, 2021 01:48 PM (hcb9g)
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at June 11, 2021 01:48 PM (QDG3d)
One factor not considered.. Trump fatigue.
A lot of conservative and even more moderates were just tired of the drama. I know most everyone here denies this, but it is true.
And, it explains the disparity of Trump votes to down ballot votes.. where conservatives won their races easily, but Trump still lost.
That said, I still think the election was stolen, but by a much smaller margin that your estimates show.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry
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Your first line is the best Jer.
The analysis does factor in Trump fatigue however. The votes in Ohio and Florida included voters who were fatigued of Trump. Or were they excluded somehow? (No they were not)
Trump fatigue is a thing, but it was accounted for in Dave's approach.
Kudo's Dave.
Posted by: simplemind at June 11, 2021 01:48 PM (G7pvv)
Really appreciate this information.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 11, 2021 01:48 PM (axyOa)
We need 300 Republican, James Traficants.
Posted by: AceOfPhrase at June 11, 2021 01:48 PM (CAgc/)
As things now stand, the Establishment GOP mortally wounded the Republican Party throughout Trump's term and especially in the aftermath of January 6. Trump will exhort his voters to go to the polls, but just as happened in the Alabama Senate primary, quite a few will ignore him.
If a free and fair election were possible, I would like to see a Haley or Jeb be the party nominee next time just so the Establishment GOP could see how deeply hated it is. Again, they may not even care.
Nice analysis.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 11, 2021 01:49 PM (puu6v)
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 11, 2021 01:46 PM
It's not quite dead yet.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 11, 2021 01:49 PM (JUOKG)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 11, 2021 01:49 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: Broseidon at June 11, 2021 01:49 PM (icI8A)
Posted by: Bozo Conservative.....Living on the prison planet at June 11, 2021 01:41 PM (vcOmj)
Georgia would tip over!
Posted by: Hank Johnson at June 11, 2021 01:49 PM (Ojki1)
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 11, 2021 01:50 PM (puu6v)
They still fight for my money, though! I get calls all the time from the NRCC, of which I'm no longer a member.
Posted by: t-bird at June 11, 2021 01:50 PM (AytXr)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at June 11, 2021 01:50 PM (I58tH)
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 11, 2021 01:50 PM (cSyAR)
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 01:50 PM (V13WU)
If i predict a projectile will travel in a parabola, and it doesn't, that doesn't mean i was wrong. It means the projectile hit something or was otherwise disturbed.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 11, 2021 01:46 PM (6FeV1)
Carry on with your philosophy. I'm looking for something simpler...some indication Dave has learned that he, too, is fallible. Maybe he has and we will see acknowledgment of that soon.
Posted by: creeper at June 11, 2021 01:50 PM (XxJt1)
How can they possibly be that unaware, when even an average political junkie with an internet connection knows that PDT had spontaneous parades, while McConnell/Ryan types can't even hold rallies, 'cos nobody would show up?
How can you be that dense? Oh, yeah, they're GOP-e. Well, that explains it.
Posted by: Midlandia at June 11, 2021 01:50 PM (x5dTf)
Just strong enough to take a long time to die.
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 11, 2021 01:46 PM (oHd/0)
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I don't think it made it past Marbury vs Madison deciding the SCOTUS could make law, too. That was what, 1801 or so?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Biden loves young people at June 11, 2021 01:50 PM (e6I/s)
What I mean is I was CERTAIN Trump would win the election. I was also certain they were throwing a Hail Satan to steal it from us. It also became clear as time ticked on into October that "mail in balloting" and "election changes" were happening - and not being fought - in the *exact* states they needed to.
I was probably guilty of thinking with my heart a little but I genuinely didn't believe they could overcome the deficit Trump was creating and get away with it. I thought they WOULD, but didn't think they COULD.
So I was right in one way - it was an asskicking by Trump - but in the way that mattered I was dead wrong. Sucks but that's the way it is.
Posted by: ... at June 11, 2021 01:51 PM (Eg4A3)
Posted by: kraken at June 11, 2021 01:51 PM (6Je/Q)
Posted by: Guzalot
Yes, that's unfortunately correct.
We are literally on the edge of falling into an abyss.
==
Sorry friend. We're already free-fallin'
Posted by: simplemind at June 11, 2021 01:51 PM (Li/p0)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at June 11, 2021 01:51 PM (HaL55)
I have. And I will mot return until the GOP issues a complete rebuke and denouncement of the nevertrump wing. They were complicit in the steal, so damn the whole party to hell, Trump or not.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 11, 2021 01:51 PM (hcb9g)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 11, 2021 01:49 PM (kTF2Z)
I don't know, sorry. How's your eyeball?
Posted by: Jordan61, I am the 30% at June 11, 2021 01:51 PM (Ez6QX)
I'm more of a pessimist and I think the giant media-tech-globohomo psyop worked on enough people.
Posted by: Broseidon at June 11, 2021 01:51 PM (icI8A)
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 01:51 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - deus vult and all that at June 11, 2021 01:51 PM (QU5/8)
Posted by: Mary Ann Miller at June 11, 2021 01:52 PM (yDOue)
Posted by: Diogenes at June 11, 2021 01:52 PM (axyOa)
Posted by: kraken at June 11, 2021 01:52 PM (6Je/Q)
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Because demographics is statistically significant information that is much harder to refute than discussion of 3AM methods that were used to perform part of the steal.
This is the trap they have laid for us.
The bulk of the steal was through mail-in ballot fraud, but the crimes we keep pointing out were the last minute action they took because they hadn't committed quite enough fraud. People can and do dismiss the activities in Detroit as not important to the overall results.
However, demography tells us the Georgia would never vote for Biden.
It's just the way I think.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 11, 2021 01:52 PM (5p7BC)
Posted by: jeff at June 11, 2021 01:52 PM (Rviza)
Been held together by force for over 150 years.
Posted by: East of Omaha at June 11, 2021 01:52 PM (qTBpx)
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 01:50 PM (V13WU)
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Trump voters broke the voting machine algorithms so badly that five cities across multiple time zones had to simultaneously pause counting in order to feed physical ballots through the machines.
Trump didn't lose.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Biden loves young people at June 11, 2021 01:53 PM (e6I/s)
Posted by: Broseidon
Doesn't explain how Trump then got FOURTEEN MILLION more votes than 2016.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2021 01:53 PM (OCTRt)
What I mean is I was CERTAIN Trump would win the election. I was also certain they were throwing a Hail Satan to steal it from us. It also became clear as time ticked on into October that "mail in balloting" and "election changes" were happening - and not being fought - in the *exact* states they needed to.
I was probably guilty of thinking with my heart a little but I genuinely didn't believe they could overcome the deficit Trump was creating and get away with it.
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Remember when Brad Parscale lost his mind, had to be carted off by the police in his underwear . . .
If you told me he realized that they weren't going to be able to overcome the cheating and that's what made him snap, I'd believe it.
Posted by: simplemind at June 11, 2021 01:53 PM (Li/p0)
After the steal I was going to leave the party and register Independent but stayed because Trump did. I think a lot of people left anyway.
Posted by: Flatville Bill at June 11, 2021 01:48 PM (tEsMf)
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I left the party in early '15. I voted for Trump, and I don't regret it.
My break is complete now. I don't care if Trump runs again, that's up to him. But if he does it as a Republican, then he'll do it without my vote.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 11, 2021 01:53 PM (vpYjV)
They "paused" counting in 5 states at the same time and Trump went from winning them all to losing them all.
Posted by: ... at June 11, 2021 01:53 PM (Eg4A3)
And that is why Arizona is, at best, a toss up for the foreseeable future.
Posted by: Curly Shuffle at June 11, 2021 01:53 PM (TNyrE)
I will never believe 2020 was not stolen, and not in an Al Gore way, where recounts confirmed a conspiracy level belief of fraud that isn't even plausible, that residents that play bingo 4 nights a week are unable to determine the difference between Buchanan and Gore and not strong enough to punch a hole.
2020 was stolen in the open, the theft was broadcast in real time, and the coverup is like a little kid with chocolate frosting all over his face claiming he wasn't the one that got in the cake.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 11, 2021 01:53 PM (YA914)
Trump didn't lose.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Biden loves young people at June 11, 2021 01:53 PM (e6I/s)
I know that he did not loose. But if you need the USSC to save the day , it is a loss. It worked only once, and no one should count on it ever working again.
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 01:54 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 01:54 PM (V13WU)
I left the party in early '15. I voted for Trump, and I don't regret it.
My break is complete now. I don't care if Trump runs again, that's up to him. But if he does it as a Republican, then he'll do it without my vote.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 11, 2021 01:53 PM (vpYjV)
Serious question.... by what metric do you vote, YD?
Posted by: kraken at June 11, 2021 01:54 PM (6Je/Q)
@tomselliott
.@BorisJohnson: G7 nations must build back in a "greener," "more gender neutral and perhaps a more feminine way"
What are things Churchill never said for 200, Alex
Posted by: Tofer732 at June 11, 2021 01:54 PM (kUGet)
Posted by: jeff at June 11, 2021 01:52 PM
Only if they change their gun laws.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 11, 2021 01:55 PM (JUOKG)
They "paused" counting in 5 states at the same time and Trump went from winning them all to losing them all.
Posted by: ... at June 11, 2021 01:53 PM (Eg4A3)
And the best part was all the graphs. They ALL showed a similar massive spike for Biden right after counting resumed. Trump continued his same path.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 01:55 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Mary Ann Miller at June 11, 2021 01:52 PM (yDOue)
The most trusted name in woos?
Posted by: ... at June 11, 2021 01:55 PM (Eg4A3)
Call it empirical proof that lord Acton's hypothesis is correct. Now we know. So act accordingly.
The Republic is dead. Long live the Republic.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 11, 2021 01:55 PM (6FeV1)
Posted by: Broseidon at June 11, 2021 01:56 PM (icI8A)
Every vote cast in a procedure that was put in place outside of the legislative process was illegal. Each of those votes is fraudulent. Full stop.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Biden loves young people at June 11, 2021 01:56 PM (e6I/s)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 11, 2021 01:53 PM (vpYjV)
???
I have a hard time understanding your logic on that one?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 11, 2021 01:56 PM (GPwVZ)
USSC to save the day , it is a loss. It worked only once, and no one
should count on it ever working again.
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 01:54 PM
And they were not ready for it. If gore had won his home State it would all have been moot too.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 11, 2021 01:56 PM (JUOKG)
20 Million ideological conservatives ought to emigrate to Panama. Good banking laws and we'd control the canal.
Posted by: jeff
Some stupid ship would get stuck in it.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 11, 2021 01:56 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: Jordan61, I am the 30% at June 11, 2021 01:51 PM (Ez6QX)
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Got a shot directly into it yesterday which is not as fun as it sounds. I'm still cautiously optimistic. Thanks for asking.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 11, 2021 01:57 PM (kTF2Z)
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Feminine Energy is chaotic. It's not something for the world to aspire to. To tell it any other way is just a nice lie.
Posted by: ... at June 11, 2021 01:57 PM (Eg4A3)
Yet the Big Problem remains: Ten "Blue" Cities that cannot be trusted with ballots and voting machines.
Ten Blue cities that are ruining the rest of the entire country.
Let's make that 15 blue cities. Cities such as Austin and Houston can easily swing Texas to Democrats. Same goes for St Louis, Cincinatti, Cleveland, Miami, etc.
The Democrats now know they can cheat to their hearts content in all the cities they run.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at June 11, 2021 01:57 PM (/JT59)
Posted by: kraken at June 11, 2021 01:57 PM (6Je/Q)
Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at June 11, 2021 01:57 PM (xEIoY)
Posted by: klaftern at June 11, 2021 01:57 PM (r4sI4)
And yet ..... Joe outperformed Hillary, who famously ignored MI and WI (but *had* a ground operation)?
About "conservative/liberal" and party ID. Trump's rallies towards the end had nearly half self-ID'd Dems in attendance. All along, his events had 30% and up Dems. I think some of these conventional categories, weak to start, are near useless in assessing Trump's traction.
But I will want to see the Trump data team numbers/analysis, the one I'm convinced Trump saw before he first hinted at irregularities. Fairly sure it simply does not match up with official results - and the reason isn't that they screwed up their numbers.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 11, 2021 01:57 PM (OTzUX)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 11, 2021 01:48 PM (hcb9g)
BoJo is just GoPe Great Brittan- run as one type of candidate and then "evolve" in office. Wonder how many of those who stood by him are also done with voting.
Posted by: Bete at June 11, 2021 01:57 PM (Ojki1)
Yesssssssss!
Posted by: 20 Quintillion Mosquitoes at June 11, 2021 01:57 PM (qpX6U)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 11, 2021 01:53 PM (vpYjV)
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Same. I'll never again sanction, by participating in, an overtly corrupt, fraudulent, and rigged process.
Any discussion now of national electoral politics and parties is akin to rearranging the deck chairs of the Titanic as it sits on the bottom of the ocean. We're not voting our way out of this ...
Posted by: ShainS at June 11, 2021 01:58 PM (pPbje)
In other words, until we separate the Big City from the rest of the state for the Electoral Votes, we'll never again have a fair election.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at June 11, 2021 01:58 PM (/JT59)
again, that's up to him. But if he does it as a Republican, then he'll
do it without my vote.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 11, 2021 01:53 PM (vpYjV)
???
I have a hard time understanding your logic on that one?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 11, 2021 01:56 PM
Me too. By not voting you automatically give a vote to democrats.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 11, 2021 01:58 PM (JUOKG)
Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 11, 2021 01:58 PM (I1+K1)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 11, 2021 01:53 PM (vpYjV)
???
I have a hard time understanding your logic on that one?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 11, 2021 01:56 PM (GPwVZ)
Me, too - in a 2 party system, giving up on both parties is relinquishing any possible power in the system...and for now, we have a 2 party system...
Posted by: Nova local at June 11, 2021 01:59 PM (b1h2x)
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Amen. I mean, if you think 2020 was legit, you probably think the Covid was a naturally occurring event, spread from bat soup, that just happened to occur at a politically inconvenient time for incumbent Trump. That's not to say that someone with that mindset is a Chicom stooge, they also just might be braindead.
Posted by: simplemind at June 11, 2021 01:59 PM (k3t4q)
.@BorisJohnson: G7 nations must build back in a "greener," "more gender neutral and perhaps a more feminine way"
And bend over and prepare to be raped by more masculine nations.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2021 01:59 PM (OCTRt)
He got 61%.
I'm sure anomalies like this are everywhere. I have yet to see any useful analysis of this. Don't think Navarro's report touched on it.
WI's vote pattern was a doozy. Joe trailed Hillary everywhere - yet vastly exceeded her in 2 counties. This simply doesn't happen in elections, it's something not found in nature.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 11, 2021 01:59 PM (OTzUX)
If you do, then I've got a bridge I want to Shelly you.
Posted by: Justsayin' at June 11, 2021 01:59 PM (Fs5vw)
Posted by: creeper
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If you are looking for me to admit I was wrong about how much theft was possible, I've done so at least 5 times now.
If you are looking for me to say I was wrong about how voters would vote, then that isn't coming. I wasn't wrong, and I called the election pretty much dead on.
I don't count fake mail-in ballots as valid in my predictions.
And if you paid attention, prior to the election on almost a daily basis I gave the caveat that it all depended on the Democrats not being able to generate 10 million votes through fraud.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 11, 2021 01:59 PM (5p7BC)
Got a shot directly into it yesterday which is not as fun as it sounds. I'm still cautiously optimistic. Thanks for asking.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 11, 2021 01:57 PM (kTF2Z)
My FiL gets those.
Sucks, man. Sorry to here it, but hope it works for ya!
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 01:59 PM (Zz0t1)
Easy - by voting, you lend credibility to a laughably corrupt process.
Posted by: East of Omaha at June 11, 2021 01:59 PM (qTBpx)
300 politicians not afraid to speak out and get expelled because they're lunatics..... then we can start fresh
Posted by: AceOfPhrase at June 11, 2021 02:00 PM (CAgc/)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
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If Trump run's again, i don't care what Fcukin party he runs under. He's getting what I got to give.
Posted by: simplemind at June 11, 2021 02:00 PM (k3t4q)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at June 11, 2021 02:00 PM (I58tH)
BoJo is a ridiculous person. Build a more feminine future? England is dead.
Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at June 11, 2021 01:57 PM
In less than 200 years they went from being the strongest Empire on the face of the planet to a pussified nation of soy boys.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 11, 2021 02:00 PM (JUOKG)
Posted by: rhomboid at June 11, 2021 01:59 PM (OTzUX)
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"God does not paint in straight lines."
-The greatest movie ever, that shall go unnamed
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 11, 2021 02:00 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at June 11, 2021 02:00 PM (xEIoY)
Posted by: Justsayin' at June 11, 2021 02:01 PM (Fs5vw)
Posted by: creeper
Dave in Fla does not own anybody anything. He posts what he thinks. You either believe it or not. He is not your paid service.
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 02:01 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at June 11, 2021 02:01 PM (QDG3d)
If Trump were running as a Republican in 2024, he would be carrying the banner of the same party that betrayed not only him but all of us. The GOP really should stick with a Jeb or Nikki in '24 because they represent what that party is.
I am eternally grateful to Trump, especially for his refusal to concede an obviously stolen election. But I will not at the federal level vote for another Republican or contribute a dime to one.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 11, 2021 02:01 PM (puu6v)
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 02:01 PM (V13WU)
One potential explanation - the real power brokers don't actually want the reforms they pretend to be fighting for.
Posted by: Broseidon at June 11, 2021 01:44 PM (icI8A)
Who's to say they didn't? The two GA seats, John James in MI, Arizona...
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 11, 2021 02:01 PM (KbCG3)
state for the Electoral Votes, we'll never again have a fair election.
I've often wondered what might happen if, instead of the Gerrymandered congresscretin districts we have today, we simply used the counties as they're drawn. That's good enough for every state.
Also, pony.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at June 11, 2021 02:01 PM (HaL55)
Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at June 11, 2021 01:57 PM (xEIoY)
Bring it.......
Posted by: Rapey Muslham Culture at June 11, 2021 02:02 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Broseidon at June 11, 2021 02:02 PM (icI8A)
Serious question.... by what metric do you vote, YD?
Posted by: kraken at June 11, 2021 01:54 PM (6Je/Q)
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Trump, for instance was fine by me. So would be DeSantis. So would a number of other people who are currently Republicans. I also like Nunes a lot.
But I will not vote for anyone who is a Republican or a Democrat. Both parties are evil, and also, in every important respect, the same party.
So I don't see myself voting much in the future. More importantly, voting is of next to no importance, anyway. It's just a PR thing. It's important to campaign, and scream about fraud when you inevitably lose, but it's (at best) a facet in propaganda.
The future is in wresting power by popular will, force, or a combination of the two. Nothing else will work. The first political figure on the Right to recognize that and catalyze an aggressive street movement has my full support. My distant second choice would be a nationalist military coup, which I'd tepidly support.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 11, 2021 02:02 PM (vpYjV)
Posted by: kraken at June 11, 2021 02:02 PM (6Je/Q)
I'm more of a pessimist and I think the giant media-tech-globohomo psyop worked on enough people.
Posted by: Broseidon at June 11, 2021 01:51 PM (icI8A)
So, it does not 'smell' that Joe Biden, who did not even run a campaign, got 15 MILLION more votes, than the Historic Barrack Obama?
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 11, 2021 02:02 PM (oHd/0)
Trump is like Obi Wan...the left thinks they killed him off, but they actually made him more powerful than they can possibly imagine. I hope he doesn't run for office again, where the establishment can torment him by playing their game with their rules. He can move the political landscape without those constraints when he isn't encumbered by being in office.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at June 11, 2021 02:02 PM (cBHgD)
Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six! at June 11, 2021 02:02 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: East of Omaha at June 11, 2021 01:59 PM (qTBpx)
By not voting, you let it continue on into infinity with no changes...
If you want to do more, you get involved in these audits, you ask for more audits, you petition to tighten up your county's voting measures, etc...but you don't just quit in a 2 party system - that's what the other side is begging for you to do...
Posted by: Nova local at June 11, 2021 02:02 PM (b1h2x)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 11, 2021 01:49 PM (kTF2Z)
I ates they asses.....
Posted by: Tank Abrams, Fat democrat at June 11, 2021 02:02 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 02:02 PM (V13WU)
Dave in Fla does not own anybody anything. He posts what he thinks. You either believe it or not. He is not your paid service.
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 02:01 PM (V13WU)
What runner said.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 11, 2021 02:02 PM (puu6v)
Posted by: Forheremenaremen at June 11, 2021 02:02 PM (jVv2d)
Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at June 11, 2021 01:57 PM (xEIoY)
If any of us ever wondered what an alternate timeline would have looked like where Obama choked to death on his roast fido and Rombley won instead, just look to the UK.
Posted by: banana Dream at June 11, 2021 02:03 PM (fpNLg)
"God does not paint in straight lines."
-The greatest movie ever, that shall go unnamed
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 11, 2021 02:00 PM (LvTSG)
But what about all the straight lines?
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 02:03 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: nobody at June 11, 2021 02:03 PM (R0OM6)
Given that polls generally deceive in the other direction, let's trust that number.
Let's say 80% of those are people who voted for Trump in 2020. The rest maybe didn't vote at all. What does a guy getting 20% of the opposing party's vote look like? Around 80 million votes? Where did Scarecrow get *his* 80 million from?
Posted by: ... at June 11, 2021 02:03 PM (Eg4A3)
Posted by: kraken at June 11, 2021 02:02 PM (6Je/Q)
peter piper
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 02:03 PM (V13WU)
So what you are saying is, vote harder?
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2021 02:03 PM (OCTRt)
I ates they asses.....
Posted by: Tank Abrams, Fat democrat at June 11, 2021 02:02 PM (R/m4+)
I thought that was the dude with Brian Williams's daughter......
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 02:03 PM (Zz0t1)
The future is in wresting power by popular will, force, or a combination of the two. Nothing else will work. The first political figure on the Right to recognize that and catalyze an aggressive street movement has my full support. My distant second choice would be a nationalist military coup, which I'd tepidly support.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 11, 2021 02:02 PM (vpYjV)
Thanks for your response... my question was not intended to be confrontational...
Posted by: kraken at June 11, 2021 02:04 PM (6Je/Q)
If Trump wants to keep that wretched R next to his name and try to wrest control of the party from the scum who currently run it, I'll support him. But nobody will ever again get a default vote from me just because they are "on my team". The Republican Party has made it abundantly clear that they are not my team.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 11, 2021 02:04 PM (6FeV1)
peter piper
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 02:03 PM (V13WU)
Picked a pack a pickled peckers.....
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 02:04 PM (Zz0t1)
I understand perfectly why YD is where he is on not supporting Trump. I'm not there yet. But we blame Bush for Obastard. What's different here?
Posted by: creeper at June 11, 2021 02:04 PM (XxJt1)
heard they were being compelled to testify and had lawyered up.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 11, 2021 01:49 PM (kTF2Z)---------------Supposed to be testifying today. And yep, they lawyered up with high-paid defense attorneys.
Of course, none of the "news" outlets are reporting on it.
Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six! at June 11, 2021 02:04 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: kraken at June 11, 2021 02:02 PM (6Je/Q)
peter piper
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 02:03 PM (V13WU)
Heh heh...
Posted by: kraken at June 11, 2021 02:05 PM (6Je/Q)
I am eternally grateful to Trump, especially for his refusal to concede an obviously stolen election. But I will not at the federal level vote for another Republican or contribute a dime to one.
==
If Trump runs again, he's getting what I got to give.
I don't care if he runs as a Fcukin communist party. The point is, he does or at least tries to do what he promises. His promises are pretty close to what I want to see happen. He's literally the only honest national politician we've had in the office since Reagan. There's no point in voting if you aren't voting for Trump.
Posted by: simplemind at June 11, 2021 02:05 PM (tw+x9)
Posted by: kraken
If we get a skipper, we'll need a little buddy.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2021 02:05 PM (OCTRt)
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 02:05 PM (V13WU)
state for the Electoral Votes
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It's disturbing to understand why the electoral college exists and to realize that five cities now control nationwide elections.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Biden loves young people at June 11, 2021 02:05 PM (e6I/s)
So many things here. First, if they are worried about abandonment of the party, they are WILDLY wrong in their perception of the cause. Which should mean we should immediately discount them.
Ryan's fortunes are no longer tied to those of the Republican Party. He quit TWO "Republican" jobs - that of Representative, and that of speaker. We should immediately discount him.
Posted by: blaster at June 11, 2021 02:06 PM (Yoq4u)
Trump is like Obi Wan...the left thinks they killed him off, but they actually made him more powerful than they can possibly imagine. I hope he doesn't run for office again, where the establishment can torment him by playing their game with their rules. He can move the political landscape without those constraints when he isn't encumbered by being in office.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at June 11, 2021 02:02 PM (cBHgD)
So tell me. How is Trump going to do that without running? He's been more or less cut off from any communication with us.
Posted by: Justsayin' at June 11, 2021 02:06 PM (Fs5vw)
-The greatest movie ever, that shall go unnamed
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 11, 2021 02:00 PM (LvTSG)
But stupid people being chased by a giant circle do.
Posted by: Bete at June 11, 2021 02:06 PM (Ojki1)
need less baming and more -redacted redacted-
*points to nic*
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 11, 2021 02:06 PM (oEn12)
Posted by: Broseidon at June 11, 2021 02:06 PM (icI8A)
Unless he decides for some reason to pull a Romney.
Posted by: ... at June 11, 2021 02:06 PM (Eg4A3)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 11, 2021 02:07 PM (uwc6D)
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This is the God's Honest Truth.
Its a puppet show. There is only one party and we aren't in it. Neither is Trump.
Posted by: simplemind at June 11, 2021 02:07 PM (tw+x9)
Not only "vote harder" but continue voting for a party that was almost unanimously every bit as good with the fraud as the perpetrators.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - deus vult and all that at June 11, 2021 02:07 PM (QU5/8)
Posted by: Nova local at June 11, 2021 01:59 PM (b1h2x)
Yet, there is no real Constitutional reason we have a two party system. That system has been put in place by... the two parties.
When you have 41% of the electorate NOT in either party... are those parties representative of the electorate?
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 11, 2021 02:07 PM (oHd/0)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2021 02:03 PM (OCTRt)
No, I'm saying get off your couch and actually get involved in the process from top to bottom. It's easy to internet post - it's harder to go to party meetings, communicate with politicians, start and run petitions for audits, etc, etc.
Democrats have always outworked Republicans in the ground game and the social game...and they control the "soft power" (media, education, etc) right now. But that does not have to continue...and the Coke "event" showed that...
Posted by: Nova local at June 11, 2021 02:08 PM (b1h2x)
Unless he decides for some reason to pull a Romney.
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Unpossible. He would have to transition to female or something to even come close to that level of simpering, limp wristed, douchbaggetry.
Posted by: simplemind at June 11, 2021 02:08 PM (tw+x9)
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 01:55 PM (Zz0t1)
Let me add one more thing. After shoring up the GOTV effort, we need to have video observation - in extremis(!) - on everything ballot related.
And by this, I include poll monitors which video/count voters going into every(!) single polling place in the nation and compare vs the vote totals of that station. True...this control gets voided due to the mail in fraud. le sigh
Find out where the ballots are printed. Have crews follow the trucks. Demand that your SOS can account for the movement of every single ballot.
Plant video cameras everywhere they can cheat.
/rant off
Posted by: Two Weeks at June 11, 2021 02:08 PM (ELnqd)
Posted by: creeper at June 11, 2021 02:04 PM (XxJt1)
Bush hates our guts and doesn't care if we know it. Trump toiled every minute for every last one of us and a bunch of people who hate him.
Posted by: ... at June 11, 2021 02:08 PM (Eg4A3)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at June 11, 2021 02:09 PM (I58tH)
Posted by: kraken at June 11, 2021 02:09 PM (6Je/Q)
Posted by: Nova local at June 11, 2021 02:09 PM (b1h2x)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2021 02:05 PM (OCTRt)
I got enough coconut shells to go around.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at June 11, 2021 02:09 PM (wAnMi)
Posted by: Just a side note at June 11, 2021 02:09 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 02:09 PM (V13WU)
How would that poll question go? Do you still identify as a member of a party that is addicted to losing and hates you?
Posted by: blaster at June 11, 2021 02:09 PM (Yoq4u)
Posted by: simplemind at June 11, 2021 02:08 PM (tw+x9)
I know. Your similar point was actually better stated but I guess I like putting limits on things sometimes.
Posted by: ... at June 11, 2021 02:10 PM (Eg4A3)
Why doesn't our side do the same thing and manufacture 15 million fraudulent votes?
We are getting to the point where we need to cheat like they do. So, let's cheat ...LIKE THEY DO!
Posted by: Sapwolf at June 11, 2021 02:10 PM (XYaIc)
Posted by: simplemind at June 11, 2021 02:08 PM (tw+x9)
I would rather be governed by Donald Trump's severed wang-dang-doodle than by Mittens.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 11, 2021 02:10 PM (6FeV1)
Posted by: kraken at June 11, 2021 02:10 PM (6Je/Q)
Yes, to a degree. The immigration issue shows the reality. The Establishment Republican Party only has one master, corporate America (and they are leaving the GOP for another bitch). Corporate America wants cheap labor regardless of the societal implications, so the GOP will deliver. Republican voters want an actual moratorium on immigration, yet you never will get support for one from the GOP Establishment, or actually any limitations on immigration. It is simple as that. When you have to beg a political party to support what it claims to represent--in this case, rule of law when all is and done, and even then it usually will do what others want, it isn't a party you can support.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 11, 2021 02:10 PM (puu6v)
Posted by: banana Dream at June 11, 2021 02:11 PM (fpNLg)
I would rather be governed by Donald Trump's severed wang-dang-doodle than by Mittens.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 11, 2021 02:10 PM (6FeV1)
If it's severed, your only option is to have it put back on and make Frankenporn movies.......
Posted by: John Wayne Bobbit at June 11, 2021 02:11 PM (Zz0t1)
Thanks for your response... my question was not intended to be confrontational...
Posted by: kraken at June 11, 2021 02:04 PM (6Je/Q)
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I know, and sorry if I seemed upset. I'm genuinely not, just being honest, and not very clear.
To put it bluntly: my view is that a vote serves little purpose, and to the extent that it does serve one, electoral support for Republicans is a win for Democrats. Their illusory opposition is a huge asset to the Democrats, and the destruction of the Republican Party would inflict considerable harm on them and their ruling junta. So I encourage people to use their vote in the only way they can, by withholding it from Republicans.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 11, 2021 02:12 PM (vpYjV)
Posted by: Marcus T at June 11, 2021 02:12 PM (VpIIl)
Posted by: kraken at June 11, 2021 02:10 PM (6Je/Q)
Agreed. Your local sheriff is greater than your governor who is greater than any cuck flapping their arms in D.C. It's pretty obvious the United States is splitting apart even now. Make sure where you live is in friendly hands or get to such a place.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 11, 2021 02:13 PM (puu6v)
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 02:13 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Jared and Ivanka at June 11, 2021 02:13 PM (PqDVv)
Instead, it's an easier place to do voter fraud.
Before Bush v Gore in 2000, it was a go-to ploy to have a fed judge leave inner city presincts open a few more hours, because people were lined up, clamoring to vote.
In those hours, of course, the fixsters could assess how many false votes were needed to win, since the other totals were in.
It's a misdirection play, to suggest inner city residents are all about the voting.
Posted by: artemis at June 11, 2021 02:13 PM (AwPyG)
Posted by: Broseidon at June 11, 2021 02:14 PM (icI8A)
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 02:03 PM (Zz0t1)
Bring her narrow bee-hind up over here and I eats dat too....
Tank is always hongrey!
Posted by: Tank Abrams, Fat democrat at June 11, 2021 02:15 PM (R/m4+)
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Ding Ding Ding.
Particularly the lower/middle class. He busted his ass to give people opportunity. BUSTED HIS ASS.
Posted by: simplemind at June 11, 2021 02:15 PM (Rp+q3)
Posted by: Just a side note at June 11, 2021 02:15 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
IOW, withhold your essence. They are not worthy.
(I agree with you YD)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2021 02:15 PM (OCTRt)
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logical
Posted by: runner at June 11, 2021 02:15 PM (V13WU)
How? Blue has an advantage here: big urban populations in precincts that are controlled by Dems. There's nothing comparable on the Red side. A multitude of Red jurisdictions would all have to cheat just enough to produce a large, decisive number of votes overall while having their individual vote totals remain within the realm of possibility (even if beyond plausibility). That's a much taller order.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - deus vult and all that at June 11, 2021 02:15 PM (QU5/8)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 11, 2021 02:15 PM (E+OcO)
you're completely correct, they are just Vote Fraud Farms, because the Left knows we are all too afraid to be called "racist" to ever investigate
let me tell you, a lot of North Philly is EMPTY. the people aren't there. the census is fake and the vote totals have ALWAYS been fake. it's been like this in Philly for decades and decades - probably since the 1800s or something
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 11, 2021 02:16 PM (j9HX3)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - deus vult and all that at June 11, 2021 02:16 PM (QU5/8)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 11, 2021 02:17 PM (5p7BC)
1) for insurance against witch hunts since the GOP is feckless
2) but more importantly I think we can do significant damage from the inside as saboteurs, and simultaneously sidestep the NeverTrump Betrayals currently on our 6.
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 11, 2021 01:16 PM (83lwH)
That's why I switched my registration to dem. I was worried about being denied basic healthcare.
Posted by: InCali at June 11, 2021 02:17 PM (MBmq2)
But give up on this straight ticket idea. With luck, the GOP can be remolded and deployed for the cause of liberty and sane governance again. But not if we just vote for anything with an R and a pulse.
I think most here are on the same page as me.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 11, 2021 02:17 PM (6FeV1)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 11, 2021 02:17 PM (63Dwl)
I think the better play may be to replace the Republican candidates with people who will do what their constituents want them to.
That campaign to get people involved in the Republican committees at the local level keeps getting scrubbed from social media, because that's what the bad guys fear.
Posted by: artemis at June 11, 2021 02:17 PM (AwPyG)
Posted by: Dave in Fla
You've earned compliments, handshakes, pats on the back and drinks bought for you.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2021 02:18 PM (OCTRt)
Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at June 11, 2021 02:18 PM (xEIoY)
Posted by: Broseidon at June 11, 2021 02:06 PM (icI8A)
So somehow Biden pulled a 8.7% greater voter turnout than Obama did in his second election, and 5% greater than his historic first election?
When he could not even fill an event venue pre election?
When polls on voter enthusiasm pre election said Repubs were 10% more enthusiastic about voting?
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 11, 2021 02:18 PM (oHd/0)
A good faith review might say that well blacks were 90%+ against Trump, and highly motivated to turn out, and thus the precincts in Atlanta, Detroit, Philadelphia, and Milwaukee of course pushed Biden-Harris over the top. Arizona is, well, Arizona. No accounting for them.
But good faith was stunningly absent in this last election. I am not going to say that blacks are more corrupt. But I am going to say that 90% voting margins make corruption easy.
Posted by: blaster at June 11, 2021 02:18 PM (Yoq4u)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 11, 2021 02:17 PM (63Dwl)
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Heh. Good one, Bert. Consider it stolen ...
Posted by: ShainS at June 11, 2021 02:19 PM (pPbje)
If you remember, Detroit made a big fuss when the mapmakers were going to list it as a city of less than 1 million residents, even though they were.
It would put a crimp in the voter fraud machine
Posted by: artemis at June 11, 2021 02:19 PM (AwPyG)
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NAFTA. Ross Perot was right.
Posted by: simplemind at June 11, 2021 02:19 PM (VXLRq)
Posted by: Dave in Fla
You've earned compliments, handshakes, pats on the back and drinks bought for you.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2021 02:18 PM (OCTRt)
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I have shaken his hand. It is a masculine hand.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 11, 2021 02:19 PM (LvTSG)
You've earned compliments, handshakes, pats on the back and drinks bought for you.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2021 02:18 PM (OCTRt)
*fistbump*
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 02:19 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at June 11, 2021 02:18 PM (xEIoY)
Hell... I'm to the point I'll vote for WHOEVER the Bircher's put up as candidate over the Repub (unless its Trump, or maybe Pompeo or DeSantis)
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 11, 2021 02:20 PM (oHd/0)
Posted by: Weasel at June 11, 2021 02:20 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks
He does, and I'm there. But ONLY for him. That vote doesn't transfer to anyone else.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2021 02:20 PM (OCTRt)
Thanks for the analysis; I appreciate your coming back here to provide this insight.
I can't get over the "mean tweets" or "wine moms" factor. I have several friends who think conservative and have voted conservative previously, but who have told me they went for Biden this time. Of course they don't say "mean tweets" or that their wives would have made their lives miserable if they voted for Trump, they say they can't stand how Trump has conducted himself , or that "He is such an A-hole", etc. etc.
Small sample size, and maybe it's just coincidence.
Interestingly, in 2016 I have heard people who normally tilt left who didn't vote Democrat because they simply loathed Hilary so much.
Did this kind of crap help cause a defeat? I truly don't know, and it's probably impossible to measure.
Posted by: RM at June 11, 2021 02:20 PM (U3LtS)
Posted by: Weasel at June 11, 2021 02:20 PM (MVjcR)
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He's been in Florida at least once for that is where I met him.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 11, 2021 02:20 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Dave in Fla
You've earned compliments, handshakes, pats on the back and drinks bought for you.
Posted by: rickb223
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this is very true. Although at this point, operational security will prevent me from doing that. Sadly.
Posted by: simplemind at June 11, 2021 02:20 PM (VXLRq)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 11, 2021 02:19 PM (LvTSG)
Better than that Bush feller, I tell you what...
Posted by: Hank Hill at June 11, 2021 02:21 PM (fpNLg)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 11, 2021 02:21 PM (nvr4f)
Only 25% of all Americans think that the election was stolen
You never seem to acknowledge that important fact
Trump cheats on his taxes,Hus wives, and at golf
Of course he thinks everyone else cheats
Posted by: Kurt at June 11, 2021 02:21 PM (ilN6l)
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 11, 2021 02:13 PM (puu6v)
I agree. DC is dead to me. Nothing honest and good for the country will ever come from that place anymore.
I don't want DeSantis to run for prez. FL and the rest of us need him exactly where he's at now. He's the shining example for the rest of the conservative governors.
It's all going to be up to the individual states whether or not the Constitution and freedom continue.
Posted by: Justsayin' at June 11, 2021 02:21 PM (Fs5vw)
It does make it easier, to know that anyone Republican leadership backs should not be voted for.
Posted by: artemis at June 11, 2021 02:21 PM (AwPyG)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
I just want Dave in Fla to know his work IS appreciated and to not leave us.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2021 02:21 PM (OCTRt)
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 02:22 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: kraken at June 11, 2021 02:22 PM (6Je/Q)
Posted by: wth at June 11, 2021 02:22 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 02:22 PM (Zz0t1)
This. This was always the plan. This is why Franklin said, "A Republic, if you can keep it."
Posted by: artemis at June 11, 2021 02:23 PM (AwPyG)
I recall after the theft, there was talk of that ... "hey, we have a way of knowing which ballots are real, micro-dots, undetectable by the human eye, but every ballot is ..."
And maybe that was true, but those witnesses were murdered and dumped in the deep ocean with certain hard drives, servers and laptops ...
poor Seth.
Posted by: illiniwek at June 11, 2021 02:23 PM (Cus5s)
Mo Brooks announce several weeks ago. Trump immediately endorsed him. He's polling at almost 60% with the campaign just starting. Statewide name recognition had been a problem for him, but that seems to be getting better. Word is that Jeff Sessions has agreed to campaign for him in south AL, his strongest area and Brooks' weakest.
BUT. Katie Boyd Britt announced her candidacy this week. She was Shelby's Chief of Staff for three years, then became president of the Business Council of Alabama. Shelby has already endorsed her and I expect she'll get big money from McTurtle and the GOPe. She's experienced and smart and attractive.
I think she could really give Brooks a run for his money.
http://bitly.ws/easE
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 11, 2021 02:23 PM (sWM8x)
Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at June 11, 2021 02:23 PM (xEIoY)
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A point about Dave's analysis is -- that those people existed in Ohio and Florida as well. Its accounted for and he's right. You're experience is true, but it is also Accounted For.
Posted by: simplemind at June 11, 2021 02:23 PM (tw+x9)
I know it; he is a smart man. If you're smart, that's where you'd want to live right now.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 11, 2021 02:23 PM (j9HX3)
I can't get over the "mean tweets" or "wine moms" factor. I have several friends who think conservative and have voted conservative previously, but who have told me they went for Biden this time. Of course they don't say "mean tweets" or that their wives would have made their lives miserable if they voted for Trump, they say they can't stand how Trump has conducted himself , or that "He is such an A-hole", etc. etc.
Posted by: RM at June 11, 2021 02:20 PM (U3LtS)
I do hope when they complain about gas prices or inflation you say, "Yeah, but at least Bidet is not an A-hole, am I right?"
Posted by: Bete at June 11, 2021 02:23 PM (Ojki1)
Posted by: banana Dream at June 11, 2021 02:23 PM (fpNLg)
Stop that crap and watch what happens.
Posted by: klaftern at June 11, 2021 02:24 PM (r4sI4)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 11, 2021 02:16 PM
We need to maintain out stake in the cheese.
Posted by: North Philly at June 11, 2021 02:24 PM (Iv+Ot)
Posted by: Weasel at June 11, 2021 02:20 PM (MVjcR)
......
Doesn't matter. He identifies as being in Florida.
Posted by: wth at June 11, 2021 02:24 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: blaster at June 11, 2021 02:25 PM (Yoq4u)
Posted by: Weasel at June 11, 2021 02:20 PM (MVjcR)
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He's been in Florida at least once for that is where I met him.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 11, 2021 02:20 PM (LvTSG)
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I want to believe!
Posted by: Weasel at June 11, 2021 02:25 PM (MVjcR)
https://youtu.be/_kYCRMS4_pA
This the rightful story of my relationship with the GOPe
Posted by: banana Dream at June 11, 2021 02:25 PM (fpNLg)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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LOL, you remain the only member of the Horde to have done so
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 11, 2021 02:25 PM (5p7BC)
https://youtu.be/64MkJ1fe46c
Posted by: banana Dream at June 11, 2021 02:23 PM (fpNLg)
Good. Cuz the Peggy Hill videos are a bit disturbing......
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at June 11, 2021 02:25 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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LOL, you remain the only member of the Horde to have done so
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 11, 2021 02:25 PM (5p7BC)
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Same here.
I think I live like a mile away from Village Idiot's Apprentice, but I've never met him.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 11, 2021 02:26 PM (LvTSG)
I do hope when they complain about gas prices or inflation you say, "Yeah, but at least Bidet is not an A-hole, am I right?"
Posted by: Bete at June 11, 2021 02:23 PM (Ojki1)
This is how I respond. Smash hated Trump's personality, language, mean tweets, etc., but she still held her nose and voted for him as it was brutally obvious how bad Biden would be. So even though she voted Yrump, and Biden won, whenever she bitches about gas prices or 6x6x8 timbers for landscaping costin 300% more. My immediate response is and shall remain, "yeah, but we don't have mean tweets anymore and Trump said 'pussy'."
Posted by: BifBewalski - at June 11, 2021 02:26 PM (VcFUs)
Posted by: artemis at June 11, 2021 02:26 PM (AwPyG)
Members of the second party shift from day to day, depending on the amount of grift available.
Posted by: hawkpilot at June 11, 2021 02:26 PM (r42yH)
Posted by: Just a side note at June 11, 2021 02:15 PM (2DOZq)
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Strawman. Nobody here is expecting or asking for anything even close to perfection -- simply validity.
Posted by: ShainS at June 11, 2021 02:27 PM (pPbje)
The "win" by Biden is on the white vote, not the black vote.
Of course those were registered whites, not actual live voters.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 11, 2021 02:27 PM (5p7BC)
Posted by: Cornpop at June 11, 2021 02:28 PM (V88zn)
Aren't ghosts normally portrayed as white?
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at June 11, 2021 02:28 PM (SchxB)
You may never name that movie but you allude to it a lot.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 11, 2021 02:28 PM (T7iTv)
Posted by: ShainS at June 11, 2021 02:27 PM (pPbje)
Unless you are gung ho on corporate taxes or Import/Export bank, when was the last time the Repubs (outside Trump) even delivered good?
Posted by: Bete at June 11, 2021 02:29 PM (Ojki1)
Aren't ghosts normally portrayed as white?
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at June 11, 2021 02:28 PM (SchxB)
Whyz it gotta be white?
Posted by: John Wiley Price at June 11, 2021 02:29 PM (Zz0t1)
BUT. Katie Boyd Britt announced her candidacy this week. She was Shelby's Chief of Staff for three years, then became president of the Business Council of Alabama. Shelby has already endorsed her and I expect she'll get big money from McTurtle and the GOPe. She's experienced and smart and attractive.
I think she could really give Brooks a run for his money.
http://bitly.ws/easE
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 11, 2021 02:23 PM (sWM8x)
Kary Boyd Bitch wors for Shelby, who was a Democrat turncoat just to get elected. She is, was and always shall be a fuvking Democrat commie cocksucking whore. I'm voting for Mo.
Posted by: BifBewalski - at June 11, 2021 02:30 PM (VcFUs)
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 11, 2021 01:58 PM (JUOKG)
I've heard voting repub does that too.
Posted by: jeet at June 11, 2021 02:30 PM (g741k)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2021 02:21 PM (OCTRt)
This is part where we collectively agree that his ripped underwear is used as currency in some third world countries - butt coin as it were....
Posted by: Boswell at June 11, 2021 02:30 PM (5iUNf)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2021 02:30 PM (OCTRt)
Conservatives have taken shit from these evil scum on the left for years and have tempered it because of the GOPe pussies that would get the vapors if anyone "punched" back at them. Four years of Trump was personally not enough to make up for the 45+ years that I have been aware of politics to make up for the ration of shit we've had to deal with from the left. Racist, sexist, fascist, homophobe and every other archetype and caricature them mf'ers could come up with hurled at me and my kind and four years of Trump caused some twats on "our side" to get Trump fatigue? Give me a f'ing break. Chi Town Jerry you're out of your mind and if these wusses exist punch them in their cocksuckers for me please.
Posted by: JROD at June 11, 2021 02:30 PM (0jZnq)
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Erm, well, I'm having a hard time recalling anything until you go back to like Gingrich, and even then, its kinda marginal delivery. If'n you want a confident answer, I'd go back to Abe Lincoln.
Posted by: simplemind at June 11, 2021 02:31 PM (tw+x9)
Posted by: Miklos, with a degree in Political Science, for what that's worth ($.07) at June 11, 2021 02:31 PM (QzkSJ)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2021 02:21 PM (OCTRt)
This is part where we collectively agree that his ripped underwear is used as currency in some third world countries - butt coin as it were....
Posted by: Boswell at June 11, 2021 02:30 PM (5iUNf)
WAIT A MINUTE!!!!
You mean, the Underpants Gnomes had a valid Economic Plan????
/head explodes
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 11, 2021 02:31 PM (oHd/0)
Actually, I have had the chance recently a couple of times to mention how enjoyable the new gas prices are for everyone. Crickets.
Posted by: RM at June 11, 2021 02:31 PM (U3LtS)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 11, 2021 02:31 PM (6FeV1)
What's a Hus wife? Is that a follower of Jacob Hus ? I didn't know they were still around Sort of like the Amish but Bohemian, right? So I guess that would be he cheated WITH the Hus wives rather than ON the Hus wives unless he were a Hussite himself. Maybe that's why he was wearing his pants backwards. Getting ready for some Hussite attire.
Or maybe he cheats on Housewives but you had a typo. In which case they would have to be BI because he's definitely not homosexual.
And by the way, I know I'm not supposed to respond to trolls but sometimes it's fun to do so. This was.
And actually, Kurt-more people think there was fraud that that percentage. Democrats just don't care.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 11, 2021 02:32 PM (k39e/)
Posted by: BifBewalski - at June 11, 2021 02:30 PM (VcFUs)
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Dude! I'm voting for Brooks too. I'm just saying I think she'll be a formidable opponent, not that I support her.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 11, 2021 02:32 PM (sWM8x)
Posted by: wth at June 11, 2021 02:32 PM (v0R5T)
Dave in Fla, it is good to have you writing on this topic. Thank you!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 11, 2021 02:32 PM (pNxlR)
Posted by: redridinghood at June 11, 2021 02:32 PM (NpAcC)
As I slowly get back into following politics after having to take some time post-steal, I find myself oddly optimistic.
I have nothing to really back that up, it just feels like the tyrant cabal is growing more desperate and that they know their carefully laid plans are not fooling at least half the country.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at June 11, 2021 02:33 PM (khAeP)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at June 11, 2021 02:33 PM (gKXSf)
There's been a huge deflation amongst the lefties I know. They were smug and jubilant after the election; now they whisper worriedly in corners
Posted by: artemis at June 11, 2021 02:33 PM (AwPyG)
Posted by: Bete at June 11, 2021 02:29 PM (Ojki1)
But muh judges
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 11, 2021 02:33 PM (6FeV1)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 11, 2021 02:33 PM (5p7BC)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 11, 2021 02:33 PM (pNxlR)
As I slowly get back into following politics after having to take some time post-steal, I find myself oddly optimistic.
I have nothing to really back that up, it just feels like the tyrant cabal is growing more desperate and that they know their carefully laid plans are not fooling at least half the country.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at June 11, 2021 02:33 PM (khAeP)
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They cheated, and they're pissing off a populace that didn't want them in power to begin with.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 11, 2021 02:33 PM (LvTSG)
Mine's similar, but with Drama Llamas
https://youtu.be/_kYCRMS4_pA
https://tinyurl.com/6596c7aw
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 11, 2021 02:34 PM (83lwH)
So far, I haven't seen any polling that asks the important question of WHY these voters have switched to being independents.
In my case (and thank you very much for this posting, I understood every word) the fear of 'doxing' caused me to change from (R) to (I). No other reason. As the left has become stridently more malignantly malicious, I worry about the safety of my family.
Yet, they call conservatives "Nazi's" which should be be presented on every college level Psychology textbook as the very best example of 'projection.'
Posted by: Bill from Attainder at June 11, 2021 02:34 PM (N/gDA)
Posted by: kraken at June 11, 2021 02:34 PM (6Je/Q)
Posted by: ShainS at June 11, 2021 02:27 PM (pPbje)
You pick and choose who you allow not to be perfect depending on your preference. I don't know how many times I've heard the defense of Trump's three SC picks while at the same time blaming every other Republican President for their picks.
Posted by: Just a side note at June 11, 2021 02:34 PM (2DOZq)
Ohio is 12% black. Georgia is 31% Similar in being double digit, I guess.
But my point wasn't that the black vote made the difference. We agree that the results of the election in those states was anomalous and that is almost certainly due to fraud.
Posted by: blaster at June 11, 2021 02:34 PM (Yoq4u)
I lolled.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 11, 2021 02:34 PM (6FeV1)
Posted by: Midnight Rambler at June 11, 2021 02:35 PM (rhvwC)
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 11, 2021 02:35 PM (83lwH)
There's a part 2 to this?
How many parts are there?
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales
It's fractal and it's gonna get ugly. This thing will get out of control and we'll be lucky if we live through it.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 11, 2021 02:35 PM (pNxlR)
Posted by: InCali at June 11, 2021 02:35 PM (MBmq2)
Actually, I have had the chance recently a couple of times to mention how enjoyable the new gas prices are for everyone. Crickets.
Posted by: RM
Pre-write on post it notes "Love these gas prices? At least Bia Den doesn't mean tweet!"
Leave it in your center console. Apply one to the pump every time you get gas. Regardless of where you are.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2021 02:35 PM (OCTRt)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 11, 2021 02:33 PM (5p7BC)
Ecuador awaits your ability to artificially inflate their currency with your tighty whities...
Posted by: Boswell at June 11, 2021 02:36 PM (5iUNf)
There's been a huge deflation amongst the lefties I know. They were smug and jubilant after the election; now they whisper worriedly in corners
Posted by: artemis at June 11, 2021 02:33 PM (AwPyG
Damn, Ted. I mean, I'm so glad the tweets are nicer but this dude is a day away from assisted care.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 11, 2021 02:36 PM (4fSQf)
love the Lehigh Valley! I have some great friends who are "moron-adjacent" but don't come to the site - great people tho
anyway how far am I? not far at all in southern chesco where the horses play
literally people here travel by horse still (mostly just for visits or to get to a hunt) lol
anyway
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 11, 2021 02:36 PM (j9HX3)
Posted by: Midnight Rambler
Drop email addresses. We can all remind them.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2021 02:36 PM (OCTRt)
How many parts are there?
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at June 11, 2021 02:33 PM (gKXSf)
Years ago powerpoint slides had as part of their template i of n slides. Then they completely removed the ability to even auto-calculate "n". You should always tell me how many slides you have so I know when to stop pretending I was paying attention in the meeting.
Posted by: banana Dream at June 11, 2021 02:36 PM (fpNLg)
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Just ask yourself one simple question?
What would Trump do?
then do that.
Posted by: simplemind at June 11, 2021 02:37 PM (tw+x9)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 11, 2021 02:38 PM (AX6sA)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales
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4 or 5 ... could be more if I uncover some interesting things during my research.
One of the things I'm trying to be careful about is to not offer too much opinion, but to lay out facts backed up by research.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 11, 2021 02:38 PM (5p7BC)
Posted by: blaster at June 11, 2021 02:39 PM (Yoq4u)
then do that.
Posted by: simplemind at June 11, 2021 02:37 PM (tw+x9)
Really?
Ok, but I'm guessing I can't pick up a gold toilet at Home Depot.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at June 11, 2021 02:39 PM (wAnMi)
There's been a huge deflation amongst the lefties I know. They were smug and jubilant after the election; now they whisper worriedly in corners
Posted by: artemis
Why? They have total power.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 11, 2021 02:39 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: InCali at June 11, 2021 02:35 PM (MBmq2)
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As you all know, recent polls show that Americans favor progressive policies. However, a solid majority believes that Biden is not moving left fast enough and want him to resign. I agree, don't you?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 11, 2021 02:40 PM (kTF2Z)
One of the things I'm trying to be careful about is to not offer too much opinion, but to lay out facts backed up by research.
Posted by: Dave in Fla
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Word of advice. You need to make a public statement that you are not depressed, are in good health, and would never contemplate suicide.
Posted by: not actually a joke at June 11, 2021 02:40 PM (tw+x9)
Dude! I'm voting for Brooks too. I'm just saying I think she'll be a formidable opponent, not that I support her.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 11, 2021 02:32 PM (sWM8x)
That's cool. Lotta people dont remember the turncoat behavior. I may even volunteer to support Mo, myself. What part of 'bama you in?
Posted by: BifBewalski - at June 11, 2021 02:40 PM (VcFUs)
Titcoin.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 11, 2021 02:40 PM (6FeV1)
One of the things I'm trying to be careful about is to not offer too much opinion, but to lay out facts backed up by research.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 11, 2021 02:38 PM (5p7BC)
This is an outdated concept that hasn't been required for decades. You should modernize.
Posted by: The Media at June 11, 2021 02:40 PM (Zz0t1)
I have to attend a get together with wife's lefty friends this weekend. I'd like a post on the dickish brinkmanship that Ace is always talking about. What fake statistics can I get them to all nod along to, but know it's fake? I have to be subtle or wife will be pissed.
Posted by: InCali
> Voters waiting in line in Georgia grew so famished because they were denied food that some passed out and had to be taken by ambulance to hospitals.
> Republican poll watchers were caught setting clocks ahead at crucial precincts in Arizona so as to have polling places close ahead of the legal deadline.
That's a start ...
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 11, 2021 02:40 PM (pNxlR)
post-Trump era odious people like Acosta, Schiff, Swalwell, and
Gillibrand have become mostly non-entities.
I'd rather they became pariahs whose name would be spat out, but that's just me.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at June 11, 2021 02:40 PM (HaL55)
Posted by: Bete at June 11, 2021 02:40 PM (Ojki1)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 11, 2021 02:40 PM (5p7BC)
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Just ask yourself one simple question?
What would Trump do?
then do that.
Posted by: simplemind
I'd have a pissed off wife.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 11, 2021 02:40 PM (OCTRt)
Posted by: wth at June 11, 2021 02:41 PM (v0R5T)
Players from a 100 different countries all over the world instantly understood the reference and turned on them with a vengeance that was a marvel to behold. Knocked them from 2nd to last place.
Wifey says I was unbearable for week.
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 11, 2021 02:41 PM (83lwH)
I am going to say that it actually is kind of nice that in the post-Trump era odious people like Acosta, Schiff, Swalwell, and Gillibrand have become mostly non-entities.
Posted by: blaster
I USED TO BE A BURR UNDER TRUMP'S SADDLE!
I USED TO BE SOMEBODY!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 11, 2021 02:42 PM (pNxlR)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at June 11, 2021 02:40 PM (HaL55)
That they aren't better acquainted with lampposts is a disappointment, but, you know, a quarter of a loaf is better than none.
Posted by: blaster at June 11, 2021 02:42 PM (Yoq4u)
then do that.
Posted by: simplemind at June 11, 2021 02:37 PM (tw+x9)
Really?
Ok, but I'm guessing I can't pick up a gold toilet at Home Depot.
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No, but you can pick up some luxurious high quality gold fleck spray paint. And spray paint the lid/ring of all your guest toilet before the party. Winning. So much winning, you'll get tired of winning.
Posted by: simplemind at June 11, 2021 02:42 PM (tw+x9)
this is me, fuck those guys with any dick that has been in a kardashian
Posted by: will choose a nic later at June 11, 2021 02:42 PM (bTQ72)
don't underestimate the deflation caused by the slow roll-out of the news that the covid scam was exactly what the Trump people were saying all along.
It's killing them.
Posted by: artemis at June 11, 2021 02:42 PM (AwPyG)
Demographics? You seem to have left out talking about age
GOP voters are getting older and 56% of all women voted for Biden
Corporate America ??? Trump gave them massive corporate and personal tax cuts and everyone here cheered thinking it would trickle down on them
Posted by: Kurt at June 11, 2021 02:43 PM (ilN6l)
Posted by: artemis
That's an interesting phenomena I've been noticing too. I think it ties back into the DEFCON 7 OUTRAGE ZOMG bs that the media spewed 24/7. Trump was this evil villain and the lefties projected all their sadness and misery on him.
Now he's gone and...they're still sad and miserable. There was no come to Jesus moment when everything was magically made better because Orange Man gone.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at June 11, 2021 02:44 PM (khAeP)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 11, 2021 02:39 PM (63Dwl)
"They" don't have shit. They were patsies who got their heads stepped on. They could have had Bernie, or mayor buttplug, or yin yang, or any other silly dipshit leftie. But they got saddled with the shambling corrupt wreck that is Biden, and they're probably starting to realize that they're now in the same boat as all the Deplorables.
I told most of my friends: they didn't steal this election just from me. They stole it from you, too.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 11, 2021 02:44 PM (6FeV1)
post-Trump era odious people like Acosta, Schiff, Swalwell, and Gillibrand have become mostly non-entities"
And yet, PJM is still platforming NeverTrumpers like Jim Treacher. Rewarding treachery will get you more treachery.
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 11, 2021 02:44 PM (83lwH)
It's killing them.
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what is killing some of them is, if the covid origin story was really a disinfo op and not a conspiracy theory freak out, maybe the election being stolen isn't a conspiracy freak out either . . .
Posted by: simplemind at June 11, 2021 02:46 PM (tw+x9)
Nothing can change that as the "winner" is fighting audit tooth and nail which just makes it more incredible.
Posted by: Godwin's Gaping Gulch at June 11, 2021 02:47 PM (SVuEA)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 11, 2021 02:40 PM (5p7BC)
Being in the South tends to color one's perceptions, though Florida is a somewhat different case. The Deep South has a significantly larger African American population than the rest of the country. 2x and 3x national average - FL is about 1.4x. You will find large numbers of African Americans in cities outside the South, but not so much elsewhere. I remember in the late 80s a black family moved into Southie in Boston and it was the first time in recorded history. Three hundred something years.
Posted by: blaster at June 11, 2021 02:47 PM (Yoq4u)
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 11, 2021 02:44 PM (83lwH)
To be fair, no one gives two shits about Treacher. So there's that, at least.
Posted by: blaster at June 11, 2021 02:49 PM (Yoq4u)
https://tinyurl.com/t4vrn7j7
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 11, 2021 02:53 PM (83lwH)
Posted by: Jen the original at June 11, 2021 02:54 PM (1kbnN)
Easy to dismiss him, but lots of commenters (~100?) complain about the Driscoll's Daily Treacherounds.
I care because rewarding treachery ensures more of it, and I'm tired from getting shived in the back
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 11, 2021 02:55 PM (83lwH)
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 11, 2021 02:56 PM (83lwH)
I truly believe the far majority of people switching are disgusted with the uniparty antics of McConnell and his vile ilk.
Posted by: Kentucky Chris at June 11, 2021 03:09 PM (u9gc5)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at June 11, 2021 03:20 PM (2SdPm)
Posted by: barkingmad59, wandering lurkette at June 11, 2021 03:27 PM (Zg/67)
Posted by: Michael the Texan at June 11, 2021 03:29 PM (QQ6wR)
WHAT IS THE POINT OF THE REPUBLICANS? They had the legislatures of nearly every battleground state, except Nevada and yet they chose to confirm electors for Biden. They could have audited the votes but didn't. That tells voters like me all I need to know.
Rush Limbaugh called the G.O.P. and Democrats the Uni-party and he was right. I'll vote for Trump if he runs again but every other Republican is dead to me.
Posted by: TracyM at June 11, 2021 04:18 PM (5Upc3)
Granted, Trump is not going to be "reinstated" this summer. But audits like the one in Arizona can and should result in specific election officials who mishandled, altered, or multiply counted ballots can and should be put in prison for those offenses, in enough numbers to deter those like them next time.
Posted by: jdgalt at June 11, 2021 07:31 PM (3SFo/)
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