Chauvin Juror Lied to Get on Jury; Black Lives Matter Activist Who Wanted to "Spark Social Change"

For those thinking, "They'll have to declare a mistrial now," sorry, you haven't been paying attention.

The law is dead. America is dead.

Derek Chauvin juror LIED about protest: Cop's hope of appeal boosted after picture emerges of juror at BLM rally wearing 'Get Your Knee Off Our Necks' T-shirt despite telling court he'd never been on a march

Brandon Mitchell was one of 12 jurors who convicted Minneapolis cop Derek Chauvin of the second-degree murder of George Floyd last month

Mitchell, a 31-year-old black man, was photographed on social media attending an August 28 protest in Washington, DC at which Floyd's relatives spoke

Mitchell is seen in the photograph wearing a t-shirt with a picture of Martin Luther King Jr and the words 'GET YOUR KNEE OFF OUR NECKS' and 'BLM'

He is also wearing a baseball cap embossed with 'Black Lives Matter'

Mitchell acknowledged being at the event and that his uncle posted the photo, but claims he doesn't recall wearing or owning the shirt or cap

Mitchell said he answered 'no' to two questions about demonstrations on the questionnaire sent out before jury selection

Legal experts say the revelation will likely be brought up on appeal by Chauvin's attorney, Eric Nelson, who will argue his client was denied impartial jury


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Mitchell has admitted the photo is of him from that date, but defended attending the rally, claiming it was not explicitly a protest against police or a commemoration for George Floyd.

That is despite the fact that Floyd's brother and sister, Philonise and Bridgett Floyd, and relatives of other African Americans who have been shot by police addressed the crowd that day.

On that topic: Angelo Codevilla on the American Oligarchy, and many establishment conservatives' complete confusion about what time it is.

Americans struggle to understand what is happening because we still regard ourselves as citizens, and imagine that those who run our republican institutions still respect them to some extent. We see persons whom the ruling class favors committing crimes with impunity, and complain of "a two-tiered justice system." But this is not mere corruption. We see corporations wielding government powers and complain that power is being franchised to favorites. But these are not mere favorites of the regime. This is the new regime being itself. Such things are not deviations from republican legality. They are the assertion of oligarchic reality. This is oligarchic justice, oligarchic normality. The republic was yesterday. The oligarchy is today.


Conservatives' congenital mistake is to try conserving something that no longer exists by supporting institutions that now belong to a regime so alien to republican life that it treats attempts at citizenship as crimes against the regime. And so they are. They call today's American regime "our democracy." It is "theirs," all right, but not ours. It is a classic oligarchy.

What’s an Ex-citizen To Do?

First, stop pretending. Begin by rejecting--in heart and mind entirely, and publicly as prudence may dictate--the authority of the oligarchs who now control what used to be our republican institutions. Realize that you enjoy the rights God gave you only to the extent that your fellow ex-citizens recognize them, and that your only hope of continuing enjoyment lies in leaguing with them, on turning your back on the oligarchy and on effectively living republican lives with similarly minded people.

Citizenship is possible only when the many join together in the kind of mixed regime for the general good that our oligarchs rejected. Turning our backs to the oligarchy is possible for the twin purpose of rejecting un-republican rule and as the assertion of a new republican way of life. Citizenship happens when individuals join together under leaders of their choice to achieve common goals, both positive and negative.

Rejection of oligarchy is possible, even easy, if and when large numbers of persons do it together. This goes for ostensibly private corporations as well as for formerly republican institutions now in the oligarchs' hands. The moment that millions of Americans, whether led by actual state governors in league with one another or by prospective presidents, recognize that Twitter and Facebook are enemy institutions, their power ends. The moment that millions are led to boycott Costco, or Pfizer, their officers are fired. The moment that these millions, so led, refuse the legitimacy of anything coming from Washington, its power ends.

Our oligarchs, having seen how easy it was to cower the majority of Americans to agree to the stupid, self-destructive practices of mask-wearing and lockdowns, having rejoiced in ruining the lives of small numbers of individual dissenters, believing that, under the media's cover, their threats to crush opponents as white supremacists will forestall serious resistance, fantasize about applying the tools of the war on terror to America's population.


But no. Their success was due to what remained of the American people's confidence in them. That is now gone. The oligarchs have the FBI and CIA, and the Pentagon's generals. But who will risk his pension, never mind his life, for them? Who will risk anything for Kamala Harris, never mind Joseph Biden?

Posted by: Ace at 12:08 PM




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1 Old and busted: Rule of law

New and shiny: Law of the jungle

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 04, 2021 11:09 AM (VVEnO)

2 No law

Posted by: CN at May 04, 2021 11:09 AM (ONvIw)

3 Looks like it's time to learn how to be a gray man.

Posted by: shibumi at May 04, 2021 11:10 AM (tjZg/)

4 And first! Suck it!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 04, 2021 11:10 AM (VVEnO)

5 So is the family autocrat Molly or Bill?

Posted by: CN at May 04, 2021 11:11 AM (ONvIw)

6 Oh dear...imagine my surprise!

Posted by: Diogenes at May 04, 2021 11:11 AM (axyOa)

7 Oligarchs are the original self-licking ice cream cone?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at May 04, 2021 11:12 AM (2SdPm)

8 I'm out of shits to give for a state who elected Keith X.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 04, 2021 11:12 AM (y7DUB)

9 Lying to a court is fine if it's in service of a good cause. It's in the Constitution.

Posted by: ... at May 04, 2021 11:12 AM (FvMYU)

10 Doesn't remember the shirt so it's cool

Posted by: weirdflunky at May 04, 2021 11:12 AM (ViF0c)

11 I'm out of shits to give for a state who elected Keith X.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 04, 2021 11:12 AM (y7DUB)

I'm in the same boat as you - give no fucks - but it's worth noting that we don't know who the hell voted for who anymore.

Posted by: ... at May 04, 2021 11:13 AM (FvMYU)

12 Hola

Posted by: Thanatopsis at beautiful Chancre del Diablo ranch at May 04, 2021 11:14 AM (MhbK0)

13 I'm in the same boat as you - give no fucks - but it's worth noting that we don't know who the hell voted for who anymore.
Posted by: ...

So true. Have they really been voted in, or have them taking it by force for years?

Posted by: MkY (lost my AR) at May 04, 2021 11:14 AM (i022r)

14 Do not be a cop.

The people hate you, and the political machine will dispose of you the second it finds you inconvenient.

If the people in high crime areas want to live like that, let them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:15 AM (LvTSG)

15 Ace, the expectation on an " impartial jury" is a quaint notion now. What we have is trial by Media.

Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 11:15 AM (0KKyI)

16 *sigh*

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 04, 2021 11:15 AM (ej3be)

17 I'm in the same boat as you - give no fucks - but it's worth noting that we don't know who the hell voted for who anymore.

Posted by: ... at May 04, 2021 11:13 AM (FvMYU)
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It's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes. Time to face it, we ain't voting ourselves out of this.

Posted by: Guzalot at May 04, 2021 11:15 AM (Rz36l)

18 'Get Your Knee Off Our Necks' could mean practically anything, a protest against Biden's tax increase, for example.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 04, 2021 11:15 AM (VVEnO)

19 Did y'all see that the DoJ was planning on swooping in and charging Chauvin with civil rights violations if he'd been acquitted?

We're back to show trials and kangaroo courts. Sentence first, trial later.

https://bit.ly/3aZp19K (thehill.com)

Posted by: bonhomme at May 04, 2021 11:15 AM (i0wNm)

20 If by some chance the verdict were to be thrown out, the feds would swoop in with their hate crimes charges anyway

Posted by: It's me donna at May 04, 2021 11:16 AM (Zmnko)

21 Eventually everything will collapse under the overly top-heavy corruption.

The collapse and getting there will be a bitch though.

Posted by: davidt at May 04, 2021 11:16 AM (pnSY9)

22 If we still had rule of law this would be declared a mistrial. But we know the judge doesn't have the stones to do it.

Posted by: Guzalot at May 04, 2021 11:17 AM (Rz36l)

23 I'm in the same boat as you - give no fucks - but it's worth noting that we don't know who the hell voted for who anymore.
Posted by: ... at May 04, 2021 11:13 AM (FvMYU)


On that topic, Red State has an article saying that the AZ audit is turning up a lot of write in and minor third party ballots that strangely were counted tor Turnip brain.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 04, 2021 11:17 AM (y7DUB)

24 Posted by: bonhomme at May 04, 2021 11:15 AM (i0wNm)

LOL.. You beat me to it

Posted by: It's me donna at May 04, 2021 11:17 AM (Zmnko)

25 So automatic mistrial on appeal. The Judge and the Jury both gave the defense enough to get a mistrial declared during the trial but the Judge refused.


First the Judge refused a motion to move the trial out of Minneapolis and then went on record basically saying that chauvin could not get a fair trial anywhere in the State and now this. Pretty sure more will come out.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 04, 2021 11:17 AM (JUOKG)

26 > Looks like it's time to learn how to be a gray man.

Leftists watch for people who are silent. You have to actively pretend to be an enthusiastic leftist or you attract attention.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 04, 2021 11:17 AM (i0wNm)

27 hiya

Posted by: JT at May 04, 2021 11:17 AM (arJlL)

28 I think all of this nonsense around the Chauvin trial holds two purposes:
1. Demonstrate to the plebes that the rulers are firmly in charge and they have no chance.
2. Square the circle of outrage by having such an obviously and patently corrupt proceeding (no change of venue, lying jurors, blatant jury intimidation, gross overcharging - this one has it all) that they can walk back if they want or need to through the appeals process, allowing them to say "look! see?! the system works! once the heat of the moment passed, American Justice delivered!"

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 04, 2021 11:17 AM (Jsjd7)

29 On that topic: Angelo Codevilla on the American Oligarchy, and many establishment conservatives' complete confusion about what time it is.

Good luck making that sale. Loyalty and obedience to certain symbols of authority defines the existence of a wide swath of the Right. I don't know if they can break that chain - it would require a complete revision of their worldview.

Look at how reflexive and heated the defense of certain power structures still is by some on the Right. That kind of passion isn't driven by logic. It won't be changed by logic, either.

Posted by: Like A Rock at May 04, 2021 11:17 AM (784ZQ)

30 The trial of Chauvin was superfluous, in terms of " justice". It was, however, a Media Event, showcasing the New Justice.

Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 11:17 AM (0KKyI)

31 I'm so old I remember when the appearance of impropriety was a thing.

Posted by: huerfano at May 04, 2021 11:17 AM (DzhEB)

32 There was essentially zero chance something like this wasn't going to happen when the trial was held where it was. But that was sort of the point of holding the trial where it was held.

Posted by: Math Checksout at May 04, 2021 11:18 AM (dYe5S)

33 the AZ audit is turning up a lot of write in and minor third party ballots that strangely were counted tor Turnip brain.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 04, 2021 11:17 AM (y7DUB)

Oh yes. Very strange indeed.

Posted by: ... at May 04, 2021 11:18 AM (FvMYU)

34 I assume that whatever Bill wanted to grow into was unacceptable to Mell.

Posted by: CN at May 04, 2021 11:18 AM (ONvIw)

35 What is there to say? We all know the score. Cue "Everybody Knows".

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 04, 2021 11:18 AM (DXFDM)

36 Eventually everything will collapse under the overly top-heavy corruption.

The collapse and getting there will be a bitch though.
Posted by: davidt at May 04, 2021 11:16 AM (pnSY9)
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It always will, and it always does.

My brother once put it in a way I think is delightfully simple, effective and memorable:
"The problem is not that the system has become corrupt, but that corruption has become the system."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 04, 2021 11:18 AM (Jsjd7)

37 Did we cover the Coca Cola General Counsel getting a payout and a consulting position less than a year after taking the job, effectively forced out of his job? He was the one with all the bright ideas about the make up of companies coke did business with and other silliness.

Push back can work. It's not the only tool in the box, but it's necessary.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at May 04, 2021 11:18 AM (Wm5SB)

38 23 On that topic, Red State has an article saying that the AZ audit is turning up a lot of write in and minor third party ballots that strangely were counted tor Turnip brain.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 04, 2021 11:17 AM (y7DUB)

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This is going to be the MI result at best.

"Sure, Biden would have lost, but what are you going to do about it? We broke the law to make this happen in 2020, you gonna write more laws for 2024?"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:19 AM (LvTSG)

39 This particular juror's idiocy (though not mendacity) was discussed here .... last week? The bit about serving on juries to get "change". The hilarious bit about attending a BurnLootMurder rally, and lying about it, is new.

I would expect that even more revelations of a tainted jury and process will emerge, and like ace I expect the appeals court to find new depths of dishonesty and lawlessness to let the lynching stand.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2021 11:19 AM (OTzUX)

40 I wish they had tried Khalid Mohammed in NYC as the Bambi Admin wanted to do. Would have been good to compare and contrast verdicts.

Posted by: ... at May 04, 2021 11:19 AM (FvMYU)

41 This state is so fucked and fucking stupid. We will re-elect all these dickheads. Mark my words.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 04, 2021 11:19 AM (ej3be)

42 Law of the jungle is right. If you are in a place where the elected officials and jury don't look like you, move. Now. You know what I am saying and why it is true. You don't want to be near the zoo when the power goes out and the supply chains fail, or when they decide to prosecute people to help balance the stats.

Posted by: Laslof at May 04, 2021 11:19 AM (ej3nJ)

43 They love to wear Che shirts. They should have put his image on the GET YOUR KNEE OFF OUR NECKS T-shirt.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at May 04, 2021 11:19 AM (cwI4U)

44 This shit has been coming for a century, we sussed out the contours of what we faced in 2007.

Trump was the last shot to right the ship.

What comes next is not really a secret.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 04, 2021 11:19 AM (sfjR9)

45 I am shocked!

Posted by: N. Tesla at May 04, 2021 11:19 AM (WmGrA)

46 Good. The sooner the people lose faith in our "justice" system the sooner we can mete out real "justice".

Oh, what fun!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 04, 2021 11:20 AM (xW72t)

47

1.) There was an anti-death penalty activist who lied to get on the James Holmes jury out here, and it led to his being sentenced to life instead of death. No consequences for that juror.

2.) Last year, Governor Polis commuted the death sentence for Nathan Dunlap.

I'm fine with (1). That's jury nullification, whatever. Cool by me.

(2) is a butt-plundering tyrant with a fat face just overruling the will of the jury, because he loves people who shoot up fun places for kids right in front them, and also buttsex and lots of donuts. Not cool.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 04, 2021 11:20 AM (Uh2oA)

48 41 This state is so fucked and fucking stupid. We will re-elect all these dickheads. Mark my words.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 04, 2021 11:19 AM (ej3be)

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Have you considered volunteering to monitor a ballot counting location in 2022?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:20 AM (LvTSG)

49 Did y'all see that the DoJ was planning on swooping in and charging Chauvin with civil rights violations if he'd been acquitted?

We're back to show trials and kangaroo courts. Sentence first, trial later.

https://bit.ly/3aZp19K (thehill.com)
Posted by: bonhomme at May 04, 2021 11:15 AM (i0wNm)


This has been an ongoing problem created by the dogshit Supreme Court where the feds relitigating what the state already did isn't double jeopardy.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 04, 2021 11:20 AM (y7DUB)

50 George Zimmerman is lucky he had his trial when he did. Today, hands down conviction.

Posted by: Homo Viator at May 04, 2021 11:20 AM (yyaYU)

51 Soap box, ballot box and jury box are all corrupted.

Yay us.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at May 04, 2021 11:21 AM (2SdPm)

52 >Good luck making that sale. Loyalty and obedience to certain symbols of authority defines the existence of a wide swath of the Right. I don't know if they can break that chain - it would require a complete revision of their worldview.

Look at how reflexive and heated the defense of certain power structures still is by some on the Right. That kind of passion isn't driven by logic. It won't be changed by logic, either.
Posted by: Like A Rock at May 04, 2021 11:17 AM (784ZQ)

You're absolutely right, but some of us have broken out of that framework. And when you do, it's forever.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 04, 2021 11:21 AM (DXFDM)

53 We are seeing The Terror in operation now... you know what will happen to you if you are arrested. So submit.

Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 11:21 AM (0KKyI)

54 50 George Zimmerman is lucky he had his trial when he did. Today, hands down conviction.
Posted by: Homo Viator at May 04, 2021 11:20 AM (yyaYU)

Yup

Posted by: It's me donna at May 04, 2021 11:21 AM (Zmnko)

55 53 We are seeing The Terror in operation now... you know what will happen to you if you are arrested. So submit.
Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 11:21 AM (0KKyI)

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This is nothing compared to the state engineered flow of blood that was the Terror.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:22 AM (LvTSG)

56 A higher purpose?

Posted by: James Comey at May 04, 2021 11:22 AM (xopIz)

57 Well, time to wander. Need to go visit mom and take care of a few things.

later!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at May 04, 2021 11:23 AM (2SdPm)

58 damnit, that's twice today i could have been first but got distracted by work while having the whole post to myself.

and yeah, fuck that guy in particular.

Posted by: SturmToddler at May 04, 2021 11:23 AM (8D42x)

59
So, find out where this juror lives and pay him a visit. In the dead of night. With no one looking.

"Another drug-related death."

- - The Ex-Police, SNL 1979

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 04, 2021 11:23 AM (s2VJv)

60 Codevilla's always kind of interesting but like most he usually concludes with something that elicits a "uh, really, that's it??" reaction. As here. "Turning our backs" on the dominant private and public institutions, beyond being unlikely, is not likely to magically change anything. The river we're stepping into, as the Greek pre-Socratic noted, is not the same one it was last time we stepped in. The water (the people, their "education", mindsets, understanding, sensibilities) is different. It is what allowed us to arrive where we are.

Things are never hopeless, and good analysis of a problem is always welcome. But C- on the part of the assignment labeled "what to do about it".

Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2021 11:23 AM (OTzUX)

61 OT but I just saw on Reddit that Bill Gates got divorced? I thought he and his wife were going to save the universe. Did she get tired of being married to the savior?

Posted by: katya the designated driver at May 04, 2021 11:23 AM (QzKeM)

62


"Are we going to be a narrow party that expresses ourself in intolerant ways, or are we going to be a broad-based party that shows conservative principles, but also compassion in dealing with some of the most difficult issues that parents face, that individuals face?"

Posted by: Senator Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller, Lesbian at May 04, 2021 11:23 AM (NuVOb)

63 IANAL, but I'll guess that unless that juror provably _lied_ during voir dire, then there is nothing there that Chauvin can use.

As to whether that juror could be impartial, given evidence of his prior beliefs, I don't know how you prove that one way or the other. It would have been extremely difficult to find any jurors in the case who were unaware of the media coverage, and who had not formed some kind of opinion about it. What counts is whether, in fact, a juror can set aside prejudices. We can ask them, but we can't read their minds.

Posted by: Durable Yet Minimal gp-Based Barrier at May 04, 2021 11:23 AM (qpX6U)

64 No one who watched the voir dire in the Chauvin case is surprised by this juror's lies.

It was obvious that quite a few of the jurors seated were "social justice warriors" or warrior-wannabes. They wanted to be picked, and at least one of them admitted why: they wanted to "be on the right side of justice" or words to that effect. That is not the kind of thing you say when you plan on keeping an open mind, presuming the defendant is innocent, and following the evidence. That is the kind of thing you say when your mind is already made up and you want to be able to boast to your friends that you helped convict that raaaaaacist cop Chauvin who "murdered" St. George.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 04, 2021 11:23 AM (k4dH2)

65 I would recommend reading or watching " The Book Thief". Much much much of it involves living in a Fascist Nazi world while not being a Fascist Nazi....

Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 11:23 AM (0KKyI)

66 Brandon Mitchell needs to "find" a noose.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 04, 2021 11:23 AM (sWM8x)

67 > Law of the jungle is right. If you are in a place where the elected officials and jury don't look like you, move. Now. You know what I am saying and why it is true. You don't want to be near the zoo when the power goes out and the supply chains fail, or when they decide to prosecute people to help balance the stats.

Someone posted a long series of articles the other day about what a modern leftist-driven civil war looks like. One of the things they pointed out is the country isn't safe either. They will have roving bandit groups with lists and machine guns. They will swoop through remote locations and kill everyone. Anyone escaping to the cities for safety will find that the cities are traps. Hounds to the hunters.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 04, 2021 11:23 AM (i0wNm)

68 Have you considered volunteering to monitor a ballot counting location in 2022?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:20 AM (LvTSG)


LOL

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 04, 2021 11:24 AM (Ez6QX)

69 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:20 AM (LvTSG)

Actually I have. Gotta contact the *puke* RNC.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 04, 2021 11:24 AM (ej3be)

70 I doubt things will collapse under the weight of corruption ... "there's a lot of ruin in a nation," but if China was actually interested in a conventional-ish war at some point in the next decade or two, we could certainly see a pretty bad result.

Posted by: Math Checksout at May 04, 2021 11:24 AM (dYe5S)

71 Don't be insulting the turnips.

Posted by: wth at May 04, 2021 11:24 AM (v0R5T)

72 Jury fraud is another phrase for things we do together.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 04, 2021 11:24 AM (ifmtJ)

73 55 53 We are seeing The Terror in operation now... you know what will happen to you if you are arrested. So submit.
Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 11:21 AM (0KKyI)

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This is nothing compared to the state engineered flow of blood that was the Terror.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:22 AM (LvTSG)


Still time though, right?

Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 11:24 AM (0KKyI)

74 I'd be a great juror, cuz I can spot a guilty person *snap* just like that!

Posted by: George Carlin at May 04, 2021 11:25 AM (obEme)

75 Chauvin Juror Lied to Get on Jury; Black Lives Matter Activist Who Wanted to "Spark Social Change"


That's an automatic appeal.

Oh, and a tossed conviction.

Does double jeopardy apply?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 04, 2021 11:25 AM (OCTRt)

76 69 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:20 AM (LvTSG)

Actually I have. Gotta contact the *puke* RNC.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 04, 2021 11:24 AM (ej3be)

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Change and accountability has to start somewhere. Good luck.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:25 AM (LvTSG)

77 And nice to see we're not the only ones realizing we live in an Oligarchy now.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 04, 2021 11:25 AM (ifmtJ)

78 Do I agree with Codevilla's views? Entirely.

But how do we "refuse the legitimacy of anything coming from Washington?" Or more specifically, how do we do that and get away with it?

Take taxes, the most obvious example of "refusing legitimacy." You can do that, but then you'll have the IRS up your ass, which is exactly why most people won't. Yeah, if 50 million households did that all at once, that would have a certain effect, but it's a lot easier said than done. And unfortunately, sullen compliance is a form of conferring legitimacy. It's not the one the authorities probably want: most regimes prefer a measure of genuine consent from their subjects; but they'll take it if nothing else.

So how exactly do we go about delegitimizing the federal government? I haven't seen a specific plan on this yet.

Posted by: Dr. T at May 04, 2021 11:25 AM (pxDdN)

79
The sad fate of the Vendee peasantry awaits us all, TJM. It's just a matter of time.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 04, 2021 11:25 AM (Uh2oA)

80 "But no. Their success was due to what remained of the American people's confidence in them. That is now gone. The oligarchs have the FBI and CIA, and the Pentagon's generals. But who will risk his pension, never mind his life, for them? Who will risk anything for Kamala Harris, never mind Joseph Biden?"

This is where I point out that they are not risking pensions by listening to the regime... they risk lives and pension by not going along...

Posted by: Inogame at May 04, 2021 11:26 AM (53oGX)

81 No judge will declare a mis-trial for the same reason the jurors instantly found him guilty of all three charges.

Posted by: Gref at May 04, 2021 11:26 AM (AMIL/)

82 73 This is nothing compared to the state engineered flow of blood that was the Terror.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:22 AM (LvTSG)


Still time though, right?
Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 11:24 AM (0KKyI)

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Of course. It could go that way, but the Terror included the first modern genocide at La Vendee and so many guillotine executions that the streets of Paris quite literally flowed with blood.

We're not there.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:26 AM (LvTSG)

83 79
The sad fate of the Vendee peasantry awaits us all, TJM. It's just a matter of time.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 04, 2021 11:25 AM (Uh2oA)

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Let's hope not.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:26 AM (LvTSG)

84 72 Jury fraud is another phrase for things we do together.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 04, 2021 11:24 AM (ifmtJ)


It's going to get to a point where the only people allowed to serve on juries are non-whites.

Think that that's crazy talk? Rewind and look at the headlines from just the past 6-12 months alone.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 04, 2021 11:26 AM (s2VJv)

85 >Have you considered volunteering to monitor a ballot counting location in 2022?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:20 AM (LvTSG)

Due to COVID-21, you observers have to stand 100 feet away from the ballot counting. Because Science.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 04, 2021 11:26 AM (DXFDM)

86 What's interesting about the Chauvin trial is that the prosecution presented zero evidence that Chauvin was racist. There was no mention at all that Floyd death was racially motivated.

It's a huge disconnection between the BLM narrative and reality. Not that it matters, low-info types won't notice it.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 04, 2021 11:26 AM (1ISKN)

87 You're absolutely right, but some of us have broken out of that framework. And when you do, it's forever.

Thats primarily how I sort people now. I've got two mental buckets - those I can trust, and those I need to isolate, avoid, and eliminate from my life. In all honesty, I put the "back the blue, no matter what" crowd in the second bucket, right along with the communists. Its a big damn bucket.

Posted by: Like A Rock at May 04, 2021 11:26 AM (784ZQ)

88 I doubt things will collapse under the weight of corruption ... "there's a lot of ruin in a nation," but if China was actually interested in a conventional-ish war at some point in the next decade or two, we could certainly see a pretty bad result.
Posted by: Math Checksout at May 04, 2021 11:24 AM (dYe5S)
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Oh, it will fall apart eventually. It's too corrupt to survive. But on the other side of that is the loot. There's an absolute shit-ton of loot. There's a lot of time for them to continue eating it before it falls apart.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 04, 2021 11:26 AM (Jsjd7)

89 I guess the juror's t shirt was a reference about a neck other than Floyd's.

Posted by: Can't help myself at May 04, 2021 11:26 AM (2DOZq)

90 Also, anyone who thinks that when the balloon goes up, they will be able to go after the figureheads, that's a pipe dream. The prominent faces will bolt for their hiding places in unknown locations in far away lands.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 04, 2021 11:27 AM (i0wNm)

91 So, find out where this juror lives and pay him a visit. In the dead of night. With no one looking.

"Another drug-related death."

- - The Ex-Police, SNL 1979
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 04, 2021 11:23 AM (s2VJv)

My thoughts exactly.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 04, 2021 11:28 AM (kFlaZ)

92 This is going to be the MI result at best.

"Sure, Biden would have lost, but what are you going to do about it? We broke the law to make this happen in 2020, you gonna write more laws for 2024?"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:19 AM (LvTSG)


It won't change Puddin being declared our first retard President, that's for sure. What will happen is hard to say but lots of people wanted it not to happen. Ralph Maddow cried more than since 11/8/2016.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 04, 2021 11:28 AM (y7DUB)

93 Welcome to our third-world shithole.

Posted by: That guy who always says... at May 04, 2021 11:28 AM (TKmok)

94 Have you considered volunteering to monitor a ballot counting location in 2022?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison


No. Because my state law forbids firearms at polling locations.

And I do not leave the house unarmed.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 04, 2021 11:28 AM (OCTRt)

95 Due to COVID-21, you observers have to stand 100 feet away from the ballot counting. Because Science.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 04, 2021 11:26 AM (DXFDM)



Or outside, while we block up the windows so you can't see in.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 04, 2021 11:28 AM (Ez6QX)

96 Kind of hard to reject the oligarchy when they control all elements of power used to crush the non-compliant. We may want to ignore them, but they certainly won't ignore us. Perhaps a more muscular form of rejection is called for.

Posted by: butch at May 04, 2021 11:28 AM (cHvOo)

97 Jury fraud is another phrase for things we do together.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 04, 2021 11:24 AM (ifmtJ)


It's going to get to a point where the only people allowed to serve on juries are non-whites.

Think that that's crazy talk? Rewind and look at the headlines from just the past 6-12 months alone.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 04, 2021 11:26 AM (s2VJv)

In a few years, convictions will be overturned because the DA or the Judge or someone else was white.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 04, 2021 11:28 AM (ifmtJ)

98 78 Posted by: Dr. T at May 04, 2021 11:25 AM (pxDdN)


Agree. Codevilla is brilliant but like so many others, there are never any solutions that are practical or even doable.

It's always "band together" and/or "vote harder."

Not gonna cut it. But if he said what we are all thinking, he'd be disappeared.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 04, 2021 11:28 AM (s2VJv)

99 And this is just one of the jurors.... believe it or not there are others with worse violations than this... and no I don't have any evidence to back this up other than the evidence that was presented in court, the Presidents comments, the other elected officials threats to the jurors made publicly, and the judges rules made during the trial.

Posted by: Silent at May 04, 2021 11:28 AM (CrU4U)

100 I'm in the same boat as you - give no fucks - but it's worth noting that we don't know who the hell voted for who anymore.
Posted by: ... at May 04, 2021 11:13 AM (FvMYU)
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Trump was close to Cankles in '16, visited MN many times and got blown out by Biden after the summer of love destroyed downtown? Yeah okay. I'm far enough away to give no fucks. Hope Target Field is a ghost town this year.

Posted by: jhawk90 at May 04, 2021 11:28 AM (E+yi3)

101 33 the AZ audit is turning up a lot of write in and minor third party ballots that strangely were counted tor Turnip brain.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 04, 2021 11:17 AM (y7DUB)

Oh yes. Very strange indeed.
Posted by: ... at May 04, 2021 11:18 AM (FvMYU)

Not enough to change the outcome.. or something, something.. I'm sure.

Posted by: Inogame at May 04, 2021 11:28 AM (53oGX)

102 TJM, you are right, as usual. I still hold that we are at the opening stage, and I am convinced that the bloodlust of so many of our adversaries is there, and merely needs fomenting.

Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 11:28 AM (0KKyI)

103 The Moscow Trials coming to a town near you.

Posted by: Can't help myself at May 04, 2021 11:29 AM (2DOZq)

104 Leftists watch for people who are silent. You have to actively pretend to be an enthusiastic leftist or you attract attention.


Good point. And I think it's valid if you are living in a heavily left blue state. If not, perhaps "gray man" is a better option?

Sigh. To me, it's unbelievable that we are having this conversation. But I should have expected it since the FAB is not in prison and conservatives who did nothing wrong are.

Posted by: shibumi at May 04, 2021 11:29 AM (Ve6n5)

105 And I do not leave the house unarmed.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 04, 2021 11:28 AM (OCTRt)

This.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 04, 2021 11:29 AM (ifmtJ)

106 Welcome to our third-world shithole.
Posted by: That guy who always says... at May 04, 2021 11:28 AM (TKmok)
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Not exactly. There's a time factor. What we have is a first-world country with an increasingly third-world government. That is not sustainable. The two will meet.

Guess which one will be the post-merge state?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 04, 2021 11:29 AM (Jsjd7)

107 97
In a few years, convictions will be overturned because the DA or the Judge or someone else was white.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 04, 2021 11:28 AM (ifmtJ)


I called it last week. Joanne Chesimard and Mumia the cop killers will both be exonerated and then given a ticker tape parade down Pennsylvania Avenue.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 04, 2021 11:29 AM (s2VJv)

108 The feds following up with civil rights prosecutions dates back to the (actual) civil rights era, when local justice would be a wee bit less than serious in prosecuting actual racially-motivated crimes against black Americans. This application of that process, like almost everything nowadays, is a perversion of it.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2021 11:29 AM (OTzUX)

109 Or you could just bypass all that fluffy pseudo-intellectual bullshit and use the tools our Founders gave us to defeat the tyranny they knew would come to us eventually.
Today would be a good day to begin.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at May 04, 2021 11:29 AM (HaL55)

110 We're not there.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:26 AM (LvTSG)

Killjoy!! Why dump on the daily prognostication section-"We're all going to die in a river of blood" or "Go to camps within the next year."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 04, 2021 11:29 AM (k39e/)

111 72 Jury fraud is another phrase for INFRASTRUCTURE.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now
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minor edit

Posted by: wth at May 04, 2021 11:30 AM (v0R5T)

112 >The sad fate of the Vendee peasantry awaits us all, TJM. It's just a matter of time.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 04, 2021 11:25 AM (Uh2oA)

Ugh, I fear you may be correct.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 04, 2021 11:30 AM (DXFDM)

113 110 We're not there.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:26 AM (LvTSG)

Killjoy!! Why dump on the daily prognostication section-"We're all going to die in a river of blood" or "Go to camps within the next year."
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 04, 2021 11:29 AM (k39e/)

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I don't subscribe to fearmongering from either side.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:30 AM (LvTSG)

114 On a related note, Kyle Rittenhouse is fucked. I feel sorry for the kid.

Posted by: Guzalot at May 04, 2021 11:30 AM (Rz36l)

115 I'm in the same boat as you - give no fucks - but it's worth noting that we don't know who the hell voted for who anymore.
Posted by: ... at May 04, 2021 11:13 AM (FvMYU)
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At minimum, MN-02 should have come back and Tina Smith tossed out of the Senate. But we're not allowed to question.

Posted by: jhawk90 at May 04, 2021 11:31 AM (E+yi3)

116 Actually I have. Gotta contact the *puke* RNC.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 04, 2021 11:24 AM (ej3be)


Kudos to you for actually doing something.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 04, 2021 11:31 AM (y7DUB)

117 I missed the nood'ening. But that's okay.

Workshop this. Watch your fingers:

Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep?

I'm probably being an ass, but I've always thought that one needed work, too. Again, I get what the author is going for, but for me it just doesn't work.

Are Happy Androids on Cloud 1000?

Posted by: Speed Racer's Banana Hammock at May 04, 2021 11:31 AM (F26eZ)

118
Much as I respect General Flynn, even his essay which I did not link this morning, at Frontpage Mag was also kind of Pollyanna-ish in terms of recourse.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 04, 2021 11:31 AM (s2VJv)

119 Fearmongering. Okay, then.

Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 11:31 AM (0KKyI)

120 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:30 AM (LvTSG)

Yes; I guessed that. Good for you!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 04, 2021 11:31 AM (k39e/)

121
To me, it's unbelievable that we are having this conversation. But I should have expected it since the FAB is not in prison and conservatives who did nothing wrong are.
Posted by: shibumi at May 04, 2021 11:29 AM (Ve6n5)

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^^^This x 1000.

I said when Trump was elected that the one single campaign promise he wouldn't be able to keep was "if I were in charge, you'd be in prison."

But I also said that it was the single most important one. Locking Hillary Clinton in a prison until she died of wet-brain and crotch rot would have done more for this country than any wall, tax cut, deregulation, or anything else.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 04, 2021 11:31 AM (Uh2oA)

122 Much as I respect General Flynn, even his essay which I did not link this morning, at Frontpage Mag was also kind of Pollyanna-ish in terms of recourse.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 04, 2021 11:31 AM (s2VJv)
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One of two things is going on with things like that and Codevilla's missive and everything like it:
1. They believe there is a solution to the problem that does not involve war, and are pushing for it hard.
2. They believe that the solution to the problem involves war but can't say that or they'll be sent to a gulag, so they drop hints about it by loudly decrying war as an option.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 04, 2021 11:33 AM (Jsjd7)

123
Killjoy!! Why dump on the daily prognostication section-"We're all going to die in a river of blood" or "Go to camps within the next year."
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 04, 2021 11:29 AM (k39e/)

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No we're not there yet, FS. Nobody's there yet, until they are.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 04, 2021 11:33 AM (Uh2oA)

124 The canary in the coal mine? There are a large and growing contingent of Americans who oppose all of this. It's showing up in local elections and starting in the grass roots. Those phony polls showing how "popular" The Demented Fraud is don't even begin to tell the picture. Individual, real polling in key congressional districts has Democrats worried- and many considering retirement before they get voted out. The House is not only currently in sight, a large majority is possible. Voting matters, irrespective of what the pundits, trolls and naysayers state. Key state legislatures are fighting back against the usurpation of their power. Court rulings are finally making what happened last election further from happening again. Also, actually getting involved in the process and having some flesh in the game matters. That's happening more, and will continue as people realize it's the only way to fight back. This is how you win. This is how you take our country back.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 04, 2021 11:33 AM (VpIIl)

125 Getting your mind right:

In a lawless, unjust society, you avoid complying with any law you can. You only comply when forced (taxes spring to mind). You work against and speak against the Oligarchs whenever possible. You punish those who kneel and support those who do not.

Besides that, gun up, carry, and don't go quietly.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 04, 2021 11:34 AM (ifmtJ)

126 50 George Zimmerman is lucky he had his trial when he did. Today, hands down conviction.
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No doubt. And speaking of blacks who blatantly perjure themselves in court cases, the woman who testified that she was talking to Trayvon Martin on the phone that night, Rachael Genteal, was a total fraud.

She wasn't Trayvon's friend, she was a relative of the girl who was. That girlfriend was the one on the phone with him that night, but the girlfriend told Benjamin Crook . . . er, Crump, that she would not testify at trial, and so Crump and his crooked allies substituted the barely-literate Genteal in to play the part of the real girlfriend, because they needed a witness (even a fake one) to say that Zimmerman had been following Trayvon Martin and was the aggressor (which was more lies).

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 04, 2021 11:34 AM (k4dH2)

127
So how exactly do we go about delegitimizing the federal government? I haven't seen a specific plan on this yet.
Posted by: Dr. T at May 04, 2021 11:25 AM (pxDdN)

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Time to take a knee at the national anthem? After all it's only the national anthem because the illegitimate federal government says it is.

Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at May 04, 2021 11:34 AM (cMXNt)

128
Well you know what's wrong with the world today?
People done gone and put their Bibles away.
Their livin' by the law of the jungle, not the law of the land.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 04, 2021 11:34 AM (YA914)

129 As Atlanta crime wave spirals out of control with now nearly daily shoot-outs, the totally woke, incompetent mayor finally has a plan. Unleash the police on the thugs? No that would be racisty, plus none of them want to be the next Chauvin and face a hostile jury for doing their job. The latest plan is to inform people to not leave their guns their cars because that is how thugs get guns. Oh, and push for more gun control in Georgia because in her progtard mind there is huge crime wave outside her city as well.


Yes, that will work. To keep me out of the city even more than now , which is almost down to zero. LOL! I am going to enjoy Watch It Burn.

Posted by: Ripley at May 04, 2021 11:34 AM (MxEKc)

130 On a related note, Kyle Rittenhouse is fucked. I feel sorry for the kid.
Posted by: Guzalot at May 04, 2021 11:30 AM (Rz36l)

Some sort of underground railroad is needed to get such people out of the USA, and into a safe country. Wonder if Russia would give them asylum?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 04, 2021 11:35 AM (kFlaZ)

131 The law is dead. America is dead.
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Well, TBF, its been dead awhile now. It just took us this long to notice the decomposition.

Posted by: simplemind at May 04, 2021 11:35 AM (/yn0M)

132 the AZ audit is turning up a lot of write in and minor third party ballots that strangely were counted tor Turnip brain.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 04, 2021 11:17 AM (y7DUB)

Oh yes. Very strange indeed.
Posted by: ... at May 04, 2021 11:18 AM (FvMYU)

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The Narrative for why Biden "won so gosh darn thoroughly" despite nobody watching any of his livestreams, or speeches, or showing up for anything he does has been "People weren't voting for Biden so much as they were voting AGAINST Drumpthftfhf!"

Apparently this was all part of the plan. Any vote !Trump was simply collected into the Biden column, and BOOM! "Vote against Trump" wins!

Posted by: Speed Racer's Banana Hammock at May 04, 2021 11:35 AM (F26eZ)

133 I predict that Biden will use his veto pen a LOT in 23-24.

Posted by: pep at May 04, 2021 11:35 AM (v16oJ)

134 41 This state is so fucked and fucking stupid. We will re-elect all these dickheads. Mark my words.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 04, 2021 11:19 AM (ej3be)



"We" won't reelect them. The system in the Twin Cities metro area is so corrupted by the democratic DFL party that they will just "harvest" their way to victory again.

Posted by: johnd01 - pronouns: First/1st at May 04, 2021 11:35 AM (ukNFU)

135 In a few years, convictions will be overturned because the DA or the Judge or someone else was white.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 04, 2021 11:28 AM (ifmtJ)

I can see it. Courts for blacks, courts for whites, Sharia courts, etc. all in the name of fairness! The balkanization of America continues.

Posted by: Mainah at May 04, 2021 11:35 AM (B+qrE)

136 Posted by: Like A Rock at May 04, 2021 11:17 AM (784ZQ)

I don't think this is impossible. For example, I thought-- as did MANY others here-- that the cops would be on our side. The cops would never follow illegal orders. The military, too, for that matter. A lot of us now realize this was a pipe dream. The red pill has a lot of strange side effects....

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at May 04, 2021 11:35 AM (954Hq)

137 123 No we're not there yet, FS. Nobody's there yet, until they are.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 04, 2021 11:33 AM (Uh2oA)

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To me, the key difference is the makeup of the ruling class in America today, the revolutionary cohort, and the attitudes of the majority.

If America went for Trump like we all believe it did in 2020, then America, in the majority, is not down for the leftist revolution. The Leftist revolution is railing against a system ruled by Leftists, alienating normies (who are not starving, by the way) every day. This can be scary, but it doesn't feel like the recipe for a sudden mass crackdown of the majority into pogroms.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:35 AM (LvTSG)

138 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 04, 2021 11:33 AM (Uh2oA)

I didn't suggest doing nothing, but my mental health is better if I spend less time posting here and reading the daily doom and gloom. It can be immobilizing.

Have a good day. I'm off now.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 04, 2021 11:36 AM (k39e/)

139 Some sort of underground railroad is needed to get such people out of the USA, and into a safe country. Wonder if Russia would give them asylum?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 04, 2021 11:35 AM (kFlaZ)

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Screw that. We're still trying to get rid of that damn leech Snowden...

Posted by: Russia at May 04, 2021 11:36 AM (F26eZ)

140 Agree. Codevilla is brilliant but like so many others, there are never any solutions that are practical or even doable.

It's always "band together" and/or "vote harder."

Not gonna cut it. But if he said what we are all thinking, he'd be disappeared.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 04, 2021 11:28 AM (s2VJv)

the hardest thing to admit is that at this point in time, there are *no* solutions that we are capable of implementing on our own - that's the bitter pill we all have to swallow. Our only real hope is that things change, things always change, and their massive screw-ups are going to create a crisis that they *can't* manage (several aer fast approaching)
and when that crisis hits, then we must improvise and do whatever we can to hasten the downfall of the regime; and yes, it might mean the dpwnfall of the entire country and the end of what we've known as the United States. But that looks like that would be quite a good change from where we are now.

One thing is certain - we will never go back to where and what we were. Those days are gone forever.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 04, 2021 11:37 AM (trdmm)

141 When a corrupt, malicious and power-mongering ruling class realize they can get away with ANYTHING, elegant essays by the likes of Angelo Codevilla do not mean a hell of a lot.

Posted by: Homo Viator at May 04, 2021 11:37 AM (yyaYU)

142 114 Mentioned here before, if I was a parent of Kyle I'd be taking some of the gofundme money and introducing the kid to people who know how to make you vanish. You know, a little boat charter company or a Tiki Bar in a far away land.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at May 04, 2021 11:37 AM (I58tH)

143 MN is on the very long list of 2020 campaign happenings that make little sense (vs. official results). Recall the idiot bigot Ellison publicly fretting about Dem turnout? Didn't one of the senators echo this? I don't think they were reacting to nothing, something was ringing alarms.

Then, poof. MN isn't even as close as 2016, with an unliked unknown non-entity running against an incumbent who had a direct role in helping spark the best economy the state has had in a generation or more (as in a few other key states Trump "lost").

Odd.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2021 11:38 AM (OTzUX)

144 No we're not there yet, FS. Nobody's there yet, until they are.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 04, 2021 11:33 AM (Uh2oA)


Yeah. I can't give a date. But I'm pretty sure of the direction we're heading. And we're picking up speed.

Posted by: Like A Rock at May 04, 2021 11:38 AM (784ZQ)

145 Who will risk everything for Facebook, Microsoft, and Berkshire Hathaway?

Posted by: CN at May 04, 2021 11:38 AM (ONvIw)

146 Do we really want the GOPe House caucus to win the speakership in 2022? I am toying with the idea of voting for the most radical Demofascist I can find, rather than my previous idea of not voting at all.


Julie Kelly (via Dave Reaboi) explains why. Fuck you, Republican House caucus.

https://tinyurl.com/cmmdd6sf

Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 04, 2021 11:39 AM (r9IMq)

147 145 Who will risk everything for Facebook, Microsoft, and Berkshire Hathaway?
Posted by: CN at May 04, 2021 11:38 AM (ONvIw)

Our current regime.

Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 11:39 AM (0KKyI)

148 RIP USA.

You had a good long run.

Been nice knowing you.

Posted by: Just Lily. Thread-Winner Elect at May 04, 2021 11:39 AM (Mbrmp)

149 145 Who will risk everything for Facebook, Microsoft, and Berkshire Anne Hathaway?
Posted by: CN at May 04, 2021 11:38 AM (ONvIw)

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This changes things...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:39 AM (LvTSG)

150 the hardest thing to admit is that at this point in time, there are *no* solutions that we are capable of implementing on our own - that's the bitter pill we all have to swallow. ...
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 04, 2021 11:37 AM (trdmm)

Well, that's not entirely true. But really doing something is a line nobody is willing to cross so far. If and when (hopefully when) the shooting starts, that will change.

One man can change the course of history. Sometimes. Maybe. Deus Vult.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 04, 2021 11:39 AM (ifmtJ)

151 How in the hell can Chauvin's conviction not be reversed on appeal?

1. No change in venue?
2. Jury half-black
3. Prosecution paper bombs defense continually during trial
4. Judge threatens mistrial if prosecution witness mentions test results, which witness does, judge does nothing.
5. Juror - who had obviously made up his mind beforehand - admits to lying to get on jury

Sheesh.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 04, 2021 11:40 AM (pOTJ4)

152 129 As Atlanta crime wave spirals out of control with now nearly daily shoot-outs, the totally woke, incompetent mayor finally has a plan. Unleash the police on the thugs? No that would be racisty, plus none of them want to be the next Chauvin and face a hostile jury for doing their job. The latest plan is to inform people to not leave their guns their cars because that is how thugs get guns. Oh, and push for more gun control in Georgia because in her progtard mind there is huge crime wave outside her city as well.

Yes, that will work. To keep me out of the city even more than now , which is almost down to zero. LOL! I am going to enjoy Watch It Burn.

Posted by: Ripley at May 04, 2021 11:34 AM (MxEKc)


If every civilian-possesed firearm in the country could be magically disappeared, within two weeks every gang in the country would be re-armed, with guns sent in by the cartels in drug shipments.

Posted by: Gref at May 04, 2021 11:40 AM (AMIL/)

153 135 In a few years, convictions will be overturned because the DA or the Judge or someone else was white.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 04, 2021 11:28 AM (ifmtJ)

I can see it. Courts for blacks, courts for whites, Sharia courts, etc. all in the name of fairness! The balkanization of America continues.
_____________

Yep, there has already been a story about a court that was ordered to remove the portraits of former judges from the wall, because they were all white, and that was "unfair" for the black defendant.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 04, 2021 11:40 AM (k4dH2)

154 The moment that these millions, so led, refuse the legitimacy of anything coming from Washington, its power ends.

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And this is the primary issue presently: led by whom? Where is John Galt?

[It could be Trump, but he doesn't appear interested in doing what's necessary.]

Posted by: ShainS at May 04, 2021 11:41 AM (3oiFl)

155 If the people in high crime areas want to live like that, let them.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:15 AM (LvTSG)


Fence them off, then let 'em have at it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 04, 2021 11:41 AM (pOTJ4)

156 One man can change the course of history.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 04, 2021 11:39 AM (ifmtJ)

Or woman. I believe this. And they can appear rather suddenly.

Posted by: Homo Viator at May 04, 2021 11:41 AM (yyaYU)

157 Killjoy!! Why dump on the daily prognostication section-"We're all going to die in a river of blood" or "Go to camps within the next year."

Look at history. By the time people realize that there's a problem, they're being led off in handcuffs never to be seen again.

/It can't happen here. Can it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PARgfglpXQw

Posted by: shibumi at May 04, 2021 11:41 AM (vooSz)

158 Some sort of underground railroad is needed to get such people out of the USA, and into a safe country. Wonder if Russia would give them asylum?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 04, 2021 11:35 AM (kFlaZ)


I'd thought the same thing. Too bad he's a straight white male. If he was an illegal that purposely raped and killed a bunch of people, he could transfer to a CA prison and Newsom would set him free in a month.

Too bad there's not a sanctuary state (is such a thing possible?), like Florida he could go to. He hasn't been tried/convicted yet. But yeah, he's toast no matter what.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at May 04, 2021 11:41 AM (wAnMi)

159 153

Yep, there has already been a story about a court that was ordered to remove the portraits of former judges from the wall, because they were all white, and that was "unfair" for the black defendant.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 04, 2021 11:40 AM (k4dH2)

Interesting... I assume it was Court Ordered?

Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 11:42 AM (0KKyI)

160 Who will risk everything for Facebook, Microsoft, and Berkshire Anne Hathaway?
Posted by: CN at May 04, 2021 11:38 AM (ONvIw)

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This changes things...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:39 AM (LvTSG)

That's how the siege of Troy started...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 04, 2021 11:43 AM (ifmtJ)

161 I'm kinda hoping we'll see a shit-ton of these old crusty oligarchs wake up dead from their slumber.
>The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older>Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 04, 2021 11:43 AM (2goRJ)

162 129 As Atlanta crime wave spirals out of control with now nearly daily shoot-outs, the totally woke, incompetent mayor finally has a plan. Unleash the police on the thugs? No that would be racisty, plus none of them want to be the next Chauvin and face a hostile jury for doing their job. The latest plan is to inform people to not leave their guns their cars because that is how thugs get guns. Oh, and push for more gun control in Georgia because in her progtard mind there is huge crime wave outside her city as well.

Posted by: Ripley at May 04, 2021 11:34 AM (MxEKc)


Female mayors? No thanks. Black mayors? Un huh.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 04, 2021 11:43 AM (pOTJ4)

163 Posted by: Dr. T at May 04, 2021 11:25 AM (pxDdN)


Taxes are Constitutional. Until we can repeal that portion of the Constitution, we have no recourse.

Posted by: Justsayin' at May 04, 2021 11:43 AM (Fs5vw)

164
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:35 AM (LvTSG)

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Totally. I'm not saying anything's inevitable. It never is. But if we continue on our current trajectory, it'll happen. Their rapacious nature won't be checked but by popular will. And I don't see that will.

I do see the will of tyrants, though. The French weren't, by and large, in favor of the Revolutionary Terror that crushed the peasants and their churches and their landlords. Nor were the Russians a hundred years ago. Hitler took the office of Kanzler with 37% of the vote, and many of those people didn't even like him much. The Communists who overthrew him took control with 0% of the vote.

Popular will doesn't matter as much as institutional will, unless it becomes very, very adamant.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 04, 2021 11:43 AM (Uh2oA)

165 Bill Mitchell, Tim Pool and Mitch McConnell agree:

Just you wait 'til 2022!

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at May 04, 2021 11:44 AM (wAnMi)

166 Let's not forget the parallel between the ridiculous Zimmerman case and the Chauvin lynching. Actual local prosecutor, based on evidence, quickly decides there's no case against the lynching target. State-level powers step in to make a case happen anyway. The racist garbage Ellison in MN. In FL? FL morons, complete the picture. Any way the Zimmerman "trial" happens without Rick Scott's involvement?

Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2021 11:44 AM (OTzUX)

167 How in the hell can Chauvin's conviction not be reversed on appeal?

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"White males have no standing. Next!"

Posted by: ShainS at May 04, 2021 11:44 AM (3oiFl)

168 I am toying with the idea of voting for the most radical Demofascist I can find, rather than my previous idea of not voting at all.

It has logic - the more power they have, the quicker they wreck it all, and the quicker we get to start over. Don't know if I can do it, though. My plan of just sitting it out and letting the Establishment fail accomplishes half of your idea, I guess.

Posted by: Like A Rock at May 04, 2021 11:44 AM (784ZQ)

169 Just you wait 'til 2022!

My husband just got a fundraising letter from Miss Lindsay. He really wants to write her, I mean him, a really unpleasant letter.

Posted by: shibumi at May 04, 2021 11:45 AM (vooSz)

170 Most of the North America Continent are politicking like it's 1999. Open border, Confused horny CIA woman protecting only a handful of egos of the upper level gov or lovers.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 04, 2021 11:45 AM (o89XP)

171 This is how you take our country back.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 04, 2021 11:33 AM (VpIIl)


You repeat a lot of what Robert Barnes finds as positive news. I started going to his site, and dropped a few others that were completely blindsided by 11/6, because I needed better information sources than 4d bullshit and other loon ravings.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 04, 2021 11:45 AM (y7DUB)

172 I sent that Codevilla article to everybody and their brother this morning. That is exactly where I am. Irish Democracy.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at May 04, 2021 11:45 AM (5Y7oe)

173 We don't see their leaders, we see their face men. The real leaders remain behind the scenes. Remove a face, another takes their place.

Posted by: Brother Tim at May 04, 2021 11:45 AM (Nv+9A)

174 the AZ audit is turning up a lot of write in and minor third party ballots that strangely were counted tor Turnip brain.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 04, 2021 11:17 AM (y7DUB)

This is why the MSM is doing their damnedest to push stories about how this audit is illegitimate. They know a full and unbiased audit would turn up massive fraud for Zhou Bai-den.

That cannot be allowed.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado - Tempus belli) at May 04, 2021 11:45 AM (N3El/)

175 It was also "fearmongering" to point out that "trust the process" was hopium to keep you paralyzed, that Trump was in massive danger of getting his election win stolen from him due to the fraud that the Dems were telegraphing, that the thoroughly corrupted GOPe wouldn't lift a finger to help Trump or his base, and that every part of our so-called rule of law would fail to correct the highly fraudulent election, yet that all came to pass.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 04, 2021 11:46 AM (DXFDM)

176 Well, that's not entirely true. But really doing something is a line
nobody is willing to cross so far. If and when (hopefully when) the
shooting starts, that will change.


BLM started killing us Normals last summer. Nothing was done in retaliation.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at May 04, 2021 11:46 AM (HaL55)

177
Interesting... I assume it was Court Ordered?
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Yep, it was in Fairfax, Virginia (outside of D.C.).

"The portraits may serve as unintended but implicit symbols that suggest the courtroom may be a place historically administered by whites for whites, and that others are thus of lesser standing in the dispensing of justice," Judge Bernhard wrote.

"The defendant's right to a fair trial outweighs the countervailing interest of honoring past judges with courtroom portraits," he said.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 04, 2021 11:47 AM (k4dH2)

178 Agree. Codevilla is brilliant but like so many others, there are never any solutions that are practical or even doable.

It's always "band together" and/or "vote harder."

Not gonna cut it. But if he said what we are all thinking, he'd be disappeared.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 04, 2021 11:28 AM (s2VJv)


That's kinda what it comes down to for me. This phase is going to continue until or unless the government's coercive power, its ability to punish people for not complying, is obstructed or challenged, either by state and local officials or by private individuals.

Which will be the start of another and much more interesting phase.

Posted by: Dr. T at May 04, 2021 11:47 AM (pxDdN)

179 165 Bill Mitchell, Tim Pool and Mitch McConnell agree:

Just you wait 'til 2022!

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at May 04, 2021 11:44 AM (wAnMi)

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Jeb Bush IV is being groomed for victory in 2060! Just hold on until then, fellow severe conservatives -- THAT will be the hill to die on!

Posted by: ShainS at May 04, 2021 11:47 AM (3oiFl)

180 I am toying with the idea of voting for the most radical Demofascist I can find, rather than my previous idea of not voting at all.


At the end of the BBC series I, Claudius, Emperor Claudius, who tried to be a fair and just rule, decided that he should have been a tyrant, since that would have encouraged rebellion and hastened the return of the Republic. Which is what he wanted.

His son said "no one cares about the Republic."

We might be the only ones who care about the republic, and encouraging fascism might get us k*lled. Or not. IDK.

Posted by: shibumi at May 04, 2021 11:47 AM (WGXTz)

181 "You have more than you know."

Power, that is. He means power.

Posted by: t-bird at May 04, 2021 11:47 AM (JioHo)

182 173 We don't see their leaders, we see their face men. The real leaders remain behind the scenes. Remove a face, another takes their place.
Posted by: Brother Tim at May 04, 2021 11:45 AM (Nv+9A)


Apparatchiks, fronting for Nomenklatura???

Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 11:47 AM (0KKyI)

183 Female mayors? No thanks. Black mayors? Un huh.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 04, 2021 11:43 AM (pOTJ4)

Ha! St. Louis, MO brand new mayor is both. city is doomed. actually been doomed for a while now.

Posted by: chango lot at May 04, 2021 11:47 AM (g741k)

184 I am a big fan of "The General Strike." Starve the unproductive.

Posted by: James Comey at May 04, 2021 11:47 AM (xopIz)

185 My neighbor grew up in MN and says DFL stands for Dumb Fucking Liberals.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at May 04, 2021 11:47 AM (k/TB6)

186 The one thing we have going for us is that our ruling class is not competent at anything beyond sucking up to other ruling class suck ups.

They might dream of a Reign of Terror, but they'll never get the planning commission to waive the environmental impact statement for erecting the gallows and then they'll dissolve into bickering as to whether or not it's racist for the executioners to wear a black hood.

Posted by: Math Checksout at May 04, 2021 11:48 AM (dYe5S)

187 Off dirty cop sock.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at May 04, 2021 11:48 AM (xopIz)

188 164 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 04, 2021 11:43 AM (Uh2oA)

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The average Frenchman wouldn't have been supportive of the Committee for Public Safety's policy goals, for sure, but what they were was poor and downtrodden by an aristocracy that lived wildly off of the backs of the masses.

None of that fits where we are, really. The aristocracy is wildly corrupt and decadent today, but not really off our backs. We're too comfortable in our daily lives, able to feed ourselves too easily and fully. The modern Committee for Public Safety is actually in league with the ruling class and working to actively make the lives of the regular people miserable before the revolution even starts.

This won't be the American people accepting the Committee for Public Safety as a replacement for the Aristocracy because it's well known that the Committee today is actually an extension of the Ruling Class.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:48 AM (LvTSG)

189 175 It was also "fearmongering" to point out that "trust the process" was hopium to keep you paralyzed, that Trump was in massive danger of getting his election win stolen from him due to the fraud that the Dems were telegraphing, that the thoroughly corrupted GOPe wouldn't lift a finger to help Trump or his base, and that every part of our so-called rule of law would fail to correct the highly fraudulent election, yet that all came to pass.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 04, 2021 11:46 AM (DXFDM)

Most people here weren't on board with trust the process. I'm not aware of that view being called fearmongering. The primary arguments over election fraud leading up to the election was whether it was possible to conduct it on that scale, and again nobody was saying it was fearmongering.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at May 04, 2021 11:48 AM (z5Vrg)

190 >Posted by: Tom Servo at May 04, 2021 11:37 AM (trdmm)

Well said

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 04, 2021 11:48 AM (DXFDM)

191 Again, it's more than improbable that voter turnout of registered voters was 90%.

Posted by: Can't help myself at May 04, 2021 11:49 AM (2DOZq)

192 What would be the value of a "big GOP win" in 2022? I mean, what would be the practical value?

It would be the historic norm, among other things.

But what, specifically, would be useful about it?

(not a trick question, but kinda, if answers are specific)

Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2021 11:50 AM (OTzUX)

193 Even if somehow Chauvin's conviction is overturned does anyone believe the Federal Dept. of Social Justice will leave the man alone?

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 04, 2021 11:50 AM (JmiBZ)

194 192 What would be the value of a "big GOP win" in 2022? I mean, what would be the practical value?
It would be the historic norm, among other things.
But what, specifically, would be useful about it?
(not a trick question, but kinda, if answers are specific)
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2021 11:50 AM (OTzUX)

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Ends the worst of potential legislation, which is something.

Also, lots of kabuki through committee hearings.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:51 AM (LvTSG)

195 Again, it's more than improbable that voter turnout of registered voters was 90%.

They weren't voting very hard.

Posted by: 106% Philadelphia Precincts at May 04, 2021 11:51 AM (AytXr)

196 192 What would be the value of a "big GOP win" in 2022? I mean, what would be the practical value?

It would be the historic norm, among other things.

But what, specifically, would be useful about it?

(not a trick question, but kinda, if answers are specific)
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2021 11:50 AM (OTzUX)

It'd drag things out slightly longer perhaps. That's about it.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at May 04, 2021 11:51 AM (z5Vrg)

197 193 Even if somehow Chauvin's conviction is overturned does anyone believe the Federal Dept. of Social Justice will leave the man alone?
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We know they won't. The Biden DOJ already announced that it had a plan in place to immediately arrest Chauvin in the (highly unlikely) event he was acquitted on the state charges.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 04, 2021 11:51 AM (k4dH2)

198 >Have a good day. I'm off now.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 04, 2021 11:36 AM (k39e/)

You don't have to make a public announcement when you flounce off because you can't stop people from saying things you don't like.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 04, 2021 11:51 AM (DXFDM)

199 Courtroom trials in most countries are a sham when its a high profile case. I bet Kyle Rittenhouse is fucked. Why not pick a jury and have them vote right away, don't bother with a wasted 'trial'.Rope and Guillotine futures are going to be hot down the road.

Posted by: Colin at May 04, 2021 11:52 AM (bRI/I)

200 35% off Safariland holsters with code, "35holsterup" without quotes.

https://bit.ly/2SfNzF1

Posted by: bonhomme at May 04, 2021 11:52 AM (YYlyE)

201 192 What would be the value of a "big GOP win" in 2022? I mean, what would be the practical value?

It would be the historic norm, among other things.

But what, specifically, would be useful about it?

(not a trick question, but kinda, if answers are specific)
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2021 11:50 AM (OTzUX)

We would have to contend with the Biden Regime still, and a Supreme Court that is questionable, and a questionable Senate. Would the " message sent" have an impact on the Powers That Be? Possibly, but their response might not be to soften or ameliorate their actions.

Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 11:52 AM (0KKyI)

202 How in the hell can Chauvin's conviction not be reversed on appeal?
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The appellate judges have addresses and families too. Are they going to overturn a conviction of a man that the entirety of American elite society wants to see convicted, risking riots, bloody pig heads (or worse) at their doorsteps, their families threatened / targeted?

Or is it easier to just say the equivalent of "no standing"?

Posted by: Revenant at May 04, 2021 11:52 AM (yVPr3)

203 I don't think this is impossible. For example, I thought-- as did MANY others here-- that the cops would be on our side. The cops would never follow illegal orders. The military, too, for that matter. A lot of us now realize this was a pipe dream. The red pill has a lot of strange side effects....
Posted by: Baron Munchausen at May 04, 2021 11:35 AM (954Hq)


I think we need to realize that in a blue city, the cops are going to have blue city mindset. Just like we see people in Portland supporting antifa even as their businesses and homes burn. They're lost to us.

We're going to see even more segregation as red flees blue to red. Blue for some reason doesn't feel as threatened with us. That needs to change.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at May 04, 2021 11:52 AM (wAnMi)

204 We don't see their leaders, we see their face men. The real leaders
remain behind the scenes. Remove a face, another takes their place.


They will eventually run out of them. But we'd have to actually rebel against them for that to start happening.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at May 04, 2021 11:53 AM (HaL55)

205 But what, specifically, would be useful about it?

It might - might, mind you - halt the Communist agenda via Congress. But none of their gains will get reversed, and they will still progress via Executive Orders upheld by the Judiciary. Because thats how it always works. The GOP does not fight.

Posted by: Like A Rock at May 04, 2021 11:53 AM (784ZQ)

206 This is why the MSM is doing their damnedest to push stories about how this audit is illegitimate. They know a full and unbiased audit would turn up massive fraud for Zhou Bai-den.

That cannot be allowed.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado - Tempus belli) at May 04, 2021 11:45 AM (N3El/)


It's so untransparent it's being live streamed in its entirety and following the guidelines of every election integrity panel. Jake Tapper needs that shoved up his man cunt up to his pencil neck.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 04, 2021 11:53 AM (y7DUB)

207 For any retrial - 1) raise funds to create a budget for the defense that comes in within an order of magnitude of what would have been spent on the prosecution in the initial trial - had not so much talent been volunteered, pro bono; 2) spend the money to create a 3D composite of the various video perspectives shown in the trial (by integrating and synchronizing the various perspectives from several vantage points you can create a 3-D [holographic] exhibit to demonstrate the lack of a knee "to the neck"); 3) most importantly - argue this to a Judge in a bench trial, do not even attempt to find a fair jury.

Posted by: Emil Blatz at May 04, 2021 11:53 AM (F+gvp)

208 the entire trial was a show, and the verdict a foregone conclusion to appease the masses. The real trial will be at an appeal level and will likely not be televised.

Posted by: pete at May 04, 2021 11:53 AM (7qEST)

209 Even if somehow Chauvin's conviction is overturned does anyone believe the Federal Dept. of Social Justice will leave the man alone?

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 04, 2021 11:50 AM (JmiBZ)

It would be worth seeing for:

1) Affirming the rule of law
2) The burning of Democrat cities

Chauvin himself, just as in his conviction, doesn't matter individually.

He is symbolic.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 04, 2021 11:54 AM (YA914)

210 Late to the party. I assume several Morons have pointed out the painfully (to Dems) obvious fact that we do not have a democracy. We are a republic.

It was when we began to forget it that the wheels started coming off.

Posted by: creeper at May 04, 2021 11:54 AM (XxJt1)

211 > the more power they have, the quicker they wreck it all, and the quicker we get to start over.

The Soviet Union took decades to fail, and that was with the US actively working against its interests.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 04, 2021 11:54 AM (YYlyE)

212 I imagine we never heard anything about Chauvin's social media activity because he was super-progressive policeman, possibly in an effort to ingratiate himself with police leadership in the eventual hope of a promotion.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:54 AM (LvTSG)

213 Capitalized "African American" is a part of some mandatory style guide right? Do we genuflect when we say it or is a somber tone sufficient?

Posted by: banana Dream at May 04, 2021 11:54 AM (DoV/l)

214 You repeat a lot of what Robert Barnes finds as positive news. I started going to his site, and dropped a few others that were completely blindsided by 11/6, because I needed better information sources than 4d bullshit and other loon ravings.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 04, 2021 11:45 AM (y7DUB)"

This is about fundamentals. The way you change things is from the bottom up. That's how we built it in the first place. Republicans have ignored fundamentals, and as a result we have a party of people in leadership who are out of touch and not responsive to the voters. How do you change that? You change them for someone else. Is that easy? No you are fighting against the big money machines and organizations like the NRCC. But when you start to plow resources into getting your fellow voters to stand up on the issues and you become a solid block again, things change. People start to see the end of their careers. Like Kevin McCarthy, who better start thinking about life out of Congress with his butt buddy, Frank Luntz. Maybe they can hookup with Liz Cheney and do porn or something.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 04, 2021 11:55 AM (ZmCUz)

215 OT but interesting.
Washington state is about to implement a plan to allow for more public use of restaurants and sports venues but having vaccinated and non-vaccinated seating. All that is required is to show proof of vaccination.
The local on-line paper refused my comment asking where I sew on my yellow star.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 04, 2021 11:55 AM (axyOa)

216 211 > the more power they have, the quicker they wreck it all, and the quicker we get to start over.

The Soviet Union took decades to fail, and that was with the US actively working against its interests.
Posted by: bonhomme at May 04, 2021 11:54 AM (YYlyE)

*shifty eyes*
-FDR

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at May 04, 2021 11:55 AM (z5Vrg)

217 213 Capitalized "African American" is a part of some mandatory style guide right? Do we genuflect when we say it or is a somber tone sufficient?
Posted by: banana Dream at May 04, 2021 11:54 AM (DoV/l)

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Well, it's proper English rules when dealing with adjectives that come from proper nouns like countries and continents.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:55 AM (LvTSG)

218 No we're not there yet, FS. Nobody's there yet, until they are.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 04, 2021 11:33 AM (Uh2oA)

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Slowly at first ... then all at once.

Posted by: ShainS at May 04, 2021 11:56 AM (3oiFl)

219 Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 04, 2021 11:51 AM (DXFDM)

Brother, nobody is flouncing off. If I were flouncing off, I would say "I'm never coming back again!! Scr*** you all" or something like that. At this point I have too much of an addiction to do that. People can say whatever they like and so can I, and I do. That's free speech. You call me a flouncer and I disagree I have things to do in addition to not feeling an attraction to the "let's slit our wrist" comments right now.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 04, 2021 11:56 AM (k39e/)

220 What would be the value of a "big GOP win" in 2022? I mean, what would be the practical value?

Control of the House alone would alone the GOP to stop EVERYTHING Biden is doing if they were so motivated.
But...the number of Representatives that want to fight the Biden Junta is much smaller then then the number of Republicans and that will be true after 2022 whether the junta steals the house elections as well.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 04, 2021 11:56 AM (DpkTQ)

221 How can we turn our backs on the Oligarchy when they can throw in prison anyone they want, under any flimsy pretense, at any time? I understand taking away power from excrement like FB and Twatter. And with refusing to do business with any disgusting woke corporation. That part's pretty easy, if one has the will to do so. But when the Oligarchy has all the keys, what can we do?

Posted by: Lady in Black at May 04, 2021 11:56 AM (O+I8R)

222 TJM - well that's the most apparent effect, though redundant, so long as the filibuster is not changed in the Senate for regular legislative business. So, actually, now change there.

Red Turban - yeah, if we're just speculating/b.s.'ing (which we are), then some aspects of decline might be slowed by it.

Bottom line, no real effect.

A wholesale replacement of GOP personnel in the primary process or through retirements, on the other hand, far more potentially meaningful. Regardless of "taking the House" or not. I think the central problem of the GOP keeps being forgotten in the face of the onslaught of idiocy by the Dems and Oligarchy and its organs.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2021 11:56 AM (OTzUX)

223 >Most people here weren't on board with trust the process. I'm not aware of that view being called fearmongering. The primary arguments over election fraud leading up to the election was whether it was possible to conduct it on that scale, and again nobody was saying it was fearmongering.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at May 04, 2021 11:48 AM (z5Vrg)

I guess we have different memories of this place, because I recall a lot of pooh-poohing of those who said that things might go south. Yeah, there were a number of those who were skeptical like me, but there were also quite a few who thing everything would come up roses and to quite being Negative Nellies.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 04, 2021 11:56 AM (DXFDM)

224 Whatever happened to Afro- American? Is is right out now?

Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 11:56 AM (0KKyI)

225 Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 04, 2021 11:51 AM

You seem nice.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 04, 2021 11:57 AM (OssQ4)

226 What would be the value of a "big GOP win" in 2022? I mean, what would be the practical value?

It would be the historic norm, among other things.

But what, specifically, would be useful about it?

(not a trick question, but kinda, if answers are specific)
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2021 11:50 AM (OTzUX)
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Depends on how the win is achieved. Do Trump-endorsed candidates win? Do the Lynne Cheney / Mitt Romney candidates lose in primaries (or by GOP voters staying home in the general)?

But in terms of actual policy changes, it means little. *Joe Biden* will do everything by executive order. The risk of bills like HR1 go down the drain.

Posted by: Revenant at May 04, 2021 11:57 AM (yVPr3)

227 >>> Late to the party. I assume several Morons have pointed out the painfully (to Dems) obvious fact that we do not have a democracy. We are a republic.

It was when we began to forget it that the wheels started coming off.
Posted by: creeper at May 04, 2021 11:54 AM (XxJt1)


were

Posted by: banana Dream at May 04, 2021 11:57 AM (DoV/l)

228 183 Female mayors? No thanks. Black mayors? Un huh.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 04, 2021 11:43 AM (pOTJ4)

Ha! St. Louis, MO brand new mayor is both. city is doomed. actually been doomed for a while now.
Posted by: chango lot at May 04, 2021 11:47 AM (g741k)


I should qualify my statement. What I meant was anyone running for office as a [fill in the blank] will not get my vote. Running for office on issues and policies, OK. But running for office as a woman, a black, a Hispanic, a homosexual, a Muslim, as a Zoroastrian, as an Eskimo, as a whatever, no dice. Any whiff of identity politics and I'm out.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 04, 2021 11:57 AM (pOTJ4)

229 I imagine we never heard anything about Chauvin's social media activity because he was super-progressive policeman
He was married to a Hmong woman and I believe adopted her kid.

He might have been an asshole for all I know, but he certainly wasn't a white supremacist.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 04, 2021 11:58 AM (DpkTQ)

230 Codevilla is correct, of course. Our main problem, as if we had the time anyway, is that we can not march or protest as a fear of getting shot. Although blm and antifa are given room to destroy, we face the bullet, so we can only band together in small individual decisions comprising a whole. This takes a long long time. I suspect Adam Smith's invisible pimp hand will eventually take control first.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 04, 2021 11:58 AM (r+sAi)

231 Another juror interviewed said they were afraid of riots and cities burning. Justice cannot be done in that kind of circumstance, but how could the defense team cull all the stupid wine moms and fools?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 04, 2021 11:58 AM (KZzsI)

232 Like Kevin McCarthy, who better start thinking about life out of Congress with his butt buddy, Frank Luntz. Maybe they can hookup with Liz Cheney and do porn or something.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 04, 2021 11:55 AM (ZmCUz)

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Coming soon: "Deep Throuple."

Posted by: ShainS at May 04, 2021 11:59 AM (3oiFl)

233 Washington state is about to implement a plan to allow for more public use of restaurants and sports venues but having vaccinated and non-vaccinated seating. All that is required is to show proof of vaccination.

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That'll make it easy for the waiters to know whose food to spit in.

Posted by: Lady in Black at May 04, 2021 11:59 AM (O+I8R)

234 223 >Most people here weren't on board with trust the process. I'm not aware of that view being called fearmongering. The primary arguments over election fraud leading up to the election was whether it was possible to conduct it on that scale, and again nobody was saying it was fearmongering.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at May 04, 2021 11:48 AM (z5Vrg)

I guess we have different memories of this place, because I recall a lot of pooh-poohing of those who said that things might go south. Yeah, there were a number of those who were skeptical like me, but there were also quite a few who thing everything would come up roses and to quite being Negative Nellies.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 04, 2021 11:56 AM (DXFDM)

Steiner will come etc. Durham's cheerleaders were so few that you could count them on one hand, though there were no doubt more people who hoped but didn't have a solid opinion on the matter.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at May 04, 2021 11:59 AM (z5Vrg)

235 The Soviet Union took decades to fail, and that was with the US actively working against its interests.

Soviet leadership followed a deeply flawed ideology - but they wanted to survive. Our current bunch actively seeks to wreck it all - even if they don't fully understand it themselves. Notice how, the more power they accrue, the faster we head toward collapse ?

Posted by: Like A Rock at May 04, 2021 11:59 AM (784ZQ)

236 If the Rs retake the senate, Lindsay can go on Hannity again to tell us how he's gonna hold hearings and REALLY get to the bottom of things.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 04, 2021 11:59 AM (kTF2Z)

237 "It's always "band together" and/or "vote harder."

Not gonna cut it. But if he said what we are all thinking, he'd be disappeared. "

I love you in a manly way, but you could not be more wrong. The way you win is to organize and fight together. People always want the easy way. They always want the fantasy play. Those don't exist and the only easy day was yesterday.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 04, 2021 11:59 AM (ZmCUz)

238 Control of the House alone would alone the GOP to stop EVERYTHING Biden is doing if they were so motivated.

First order of business: articles of impeachment. Ukraine, China, voter fraud, take your choice.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 04, 2021 11:59 AM (pOTJ4)

239 I believe the jury made the wrong decision, according to law.

I believe Chauvin is innocent of the racism and murder charges leveled against him in the court of public opinion.

I believe Floyd likely would have died of the Fentanyl and Meth in his system, given how long it took to get medical to him.

That said, Chauvin's absolute lack of care for the perp in his custody was shockingly bad. How do you go minutes on end in a dangerous body position without checking on your prisoner? How do you not notice when your prisoner goes from being combative to inert? If that was normal behavior for Chauvin, he was a ticking bomb.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 04, 2021 12:00 PM (YYlyE)

240 238 Control of the House alone would alone the GOP to stop EVERYTHING Biden is doing if they were so motivated.

First order of business: articles of impeachment. Ukraine, China, voter fraud, take your choice.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 04, 2021 11:59 AM (pOTJ4)

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"That would be uncouth and uncivil."
-GOPe

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 12:00 PM (LvTSG)

241 Even if somehow Chauvin's conviction is overturned does anyone believe the Federal Dept. of Social Justice will leave the man alone?

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 04, 2021 11:50 AM (JmiBZ)


No, because the Feds had/have a warrant for his arrest on Fed Violation of Civil Rights charges. And if he ever has to stand trial on Fed charges, I'll give you one guess at the location of the Fed Courthouse where the trial will be held. He's screwed twelve ways from Sunday in the legal arena.

Posted by: Gref at May 04, 2021 12:00 PM (AMIL/)

242 The Soviet Union took decades to fail, and that was with the US actively working against its interests.
Posted by: bonhomme at May 04, 2021 11:54 AM (YYlyE)


And when it finally fell, the most surprised were our CIA and State Department genius lackeys.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 04, 2021 12:00 PM (y7DUB)

243 They might dream of a Reign of Terror, but they'll
never get the planning commission to waive the environmental impact
statement for erecting the gallows and then they'll dissolve into
bickering as to whether or not it's racist for the executioners to wear a
black hood.

Posted by: Math Checksout at May 04, 2021 11:48 AM (dYe5S)
Again with the assumptions. They don't actually care about that except as a bludgeon against their foes. When it stands in the way, it goes to the side.

Posted by: Brother Tim at May 04, 2021 12:00 PM (Nv+9A)

244 There's only one way for the oligarchs to start feeling uncomfortable and insecure. And it's not by voting harder.

We're still too well-fed, comfortable, and doped up for that to happen yet.

Posted by: Justsayin' at May 04, 2021 12:00 PM (Fs5vw)

245 Maybe they can hookup with Liz Cheney and do porn or something.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 04, 2021 11:55 AM (ZmCUz)

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Nice visual. Also, I hate you.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 04, 2021 12:01 PM (kTF2Z)

246 I wonder if any of the jurors were intimidated by specifically this guy. He is obviously outspoken, and does look a bit imposing.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 04, 2021 12:01 PM (OssQ4)

247 Kamala says that Guatemala aint that bad and people would stay there if we just help them out.

Posted by: f'd at May 04, 2021 12:01 PM (Tnijr)

248 237 "It's always "band together" and/or "vote harder."

Not gonna cut it. But if he said what we are all thinking, he'd be disappeared. "

I love you in a manly way, but you could not be more wrong. The way you win is to organize and fight together. People always want the easy way. They always want the fantasy play. Those don't exist and the only easy day was yesterday.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 04, 2021 11:59 AM (ZmCUz)

We have very different ideas of what organizing and fighting looks like at this point. My view is that we should be preparing our defenses and doing everything to drain the system of resources.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at May 04, 2021 12:01 PM (z5Vrg)

249 How can we turn our backs on the Oligarchy when they can throw in prison
anyone they want, under any flimsy pretense, at any time? I understand
taking away power from excrement like FB and Twatter. And with
refusing to do business with any disgusting woke corporation. That
part's pretty easy, if one has the will to do so. But when the
Oligarchy has all the keys, what can we do?


#BlockadeDC. Don't send anything there. No food, no gas, no booze, no nothing. Refuse to do any type of bidness there.
Want a peaceful form of rejection of them and their anti-American, progressive agenda? There's one.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at May 04, 2021 12:01 PM (HaL55)

250 I saw Invisible Pimp Hand open for the Streetwalkers at Shepherd's Bush Empire in '73.

Posted by: ShainS at May 04, 2021 12:01 PM (3oiFl)

251 Another juror interviewed said they were afraid of riots and cities burning. Justice cannot be done in that kind of circumstance, but how could the defense team cull all the stupid wine moms and fools?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 04, 2021 11:58 AM (KZzsI)


That's why a change of venue was absolutely essential. But perusal of a map of MN shows most counties actually (to my surprise) vote GOP. (So MN is more like CA than I had appreciated.) So change the venue out of Minneapolis? No way. Thanks, Keith!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 04, 2021 12:01 PM (pOTJ4)

252 247 Kamala says that Guatemala aint that bad and people would stay there if we just help them out.
Posted by: f'd at May 04, 2021 12:01 PM (Tnijr)

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She knows a lot of rich people. Maybe they can donate some money to help.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 12:01 PM (LvTSG)

253 John Cusack says 'Hey, you saw my movie!'

Posted by: Lizzy at May 04, 2021 12:02 PM (bDqIh)

254 237 "It's always "band together" and/or "vote harder."

Not gonna cut it. But if he said what we are all thinking, he'd be disappeared. "

I love you in a manly way, but you could not be more wrong. The way you win is to organize and fight together. People always want the easy way. They always want the fantasy play. Those don't exist and the only easy day was yesterday.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 04, 2021 11:59 AM (ZmCUz)


Pay close attention to local elections, especially. Every school board, county board, zoning commission, sheriffs office, states's attorney is critical to our daily lives. Poison starts there, and spreads.

Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 12:02 PM (0KKyI)

255 Kamala says that Guatemala aint that bad and people would stay there if we just help them out.
Posted by: f'd at May 04, 2021 12:01 PM (Tnijr)


Why doesn't she stay there?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 04, 2021 12:02 PM (pOTJ4)

256 243 They might dream of a Reign of Terror, but they'll
never get the planning commission to waive the environmental impact
statement for erecting the gallows and then they'll dissolve into
bickering as to whether or not it's racist for the executioners to wear a
black hood.

Posted by: Math Checksout at May 04, 2021 11:48 AM (dYe5S)
Again with the assumptions. They don't actually care about that except as a bludgeon against their foes. When it stands in the way, it goes to the side.

Posted by: Brother Tim at May 04, 2021 12:00 PM (Nv+9A)

That all depends on whether they have an internal purge putting someone more dangerous in unilateral control. The bureaucratic ninnies are genuinely bureaucratic ninnies.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at May 04, 2021 12:02 PM (z5Vrg)

257 254 Pay close attention to local elections, especially. Every school board, county board, zoning commission, sheriffs office, states's attorney is critical to our daily lives. Poison starts there, and spreads.
Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 12:02 PM (0KKyI)

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Run for your local school board.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 12:03 PM (LvTSG)

258 The Law was dead when Nixon was told to turn over the tapes.

Posted by: torabora at May 04, 2021 12:03 PM (ZjFZv)

259 Control of the House alone would alone the GOP to stop EVERYTHING Biden is doing if they were so motivated.


So they could put an end to Obamacare like they did when Trump was president? And finally build the ENTIRE wall? And stop EVERY democrat idea? Like they did when Trump was in charge?

Oh wait. They did none of that. They are NOT motivated to do anything but keep their personal grift going.

/Same team, different uniforms

Posted by: shibumi at May 04, 2021 12:03 PM (0Yiin)

260 If the Rs retake the senate, Lindsay can go on Hannity again to tell us how he's gonna hold hearings and REALLY get to the bottom of things.

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Well, he does like bottoms.

Posted by: Lady in Black at May 04, 2021 12:03 PM (O+I8R)

261 >>> Well, it's proper English rules when dealing with adjectives that come from proper nouns like countries and continents.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 11:55 AM (LvTSG)


Ok, you are right. This is why, among many other reasons, I'm an engineer. I'm pretty equitable with letters when I write reports. A word has to be very very impressive for me to capitalize it.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 04, 2021 12:04 PM (DoV/l)

262 This goes to Ace's suggestion we don't cooperate with law enforcement. You get picked for a jury, immediately intend to vote not guilty. Why help these people convict others where there are two sets of laws?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 04, 2021 12:04 PM (XSRBF)

263 >>Another juror interviewed said they were afraid of riots and cities burning. Justice cannot be done in that kind of circumstance, but how could the defense team cull all the stupid wine moms and fools?


This also means that BLM had someone on the jury who could not only ID fellow jurors but get the mob targeted on anyone who was not sufficiently pro-BLM during deliberations. These jurors had good reason to worry they would be harmed should they find Chauvin not guilty.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 04, 2021 12:04 PM (bDqIh)

264 And when it finally fell, the most surprised were our CIA and State Department genius lackeys.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 04, 2021 12:00 PM (y7DUB)


Not surprising at all, when considered in light of that CIA recruiting video.

"Come join the CIA to build your appropriately low self-esteem! We offer free therapy no matter how stupid and/or mentally ill you are!"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 04, 2021 12:04 PM (pOTJ4)

265 I was thinking that Chauvin will probably die quicker in a federal PMITA prison than a child molester (unless they keep him in solitary 24x7).

Posted by: ShainS at May 04, 2021 12:04 PM (3oiFl)

266 Deniro was too small to play Frankenstein. Also not articulate enough to say rrrrhhhhhaaaaaahhhhhrrrr!

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 04, 2021 12:04 PM (099o0)

267 I'm really confused. I thought everyone wanted white people to take a knee in solidarity with the marginalized peeples.

Posted by: Derek Chauvin at May 04, 2021 12:04 PM (obEme)

268 @189

Way back in March of 2020 it was apparent what the plan was and that the fraud was going to be monstrous.

Which it was.


So, here we are.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 04, 2021 12:04 PM (qmgN2)

269 261
Ok, you are right. This is why, among many other reasons, I'm an engineer. I'm pretty equitable with letters when I write reports. A word has to be very very impressive for me to capitalize it.
Posted by: banana Dream at May 04, 2021 12:04 PM (DoV/l)

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Except for the dutch. Fuck the dutch.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 12:04 PM (LvTSG)

270 257 254 Pay close attention to local elections, especially. Every school board, county board, zoning commission, sheriffs office, states's attorney is critical to our daily lives. Poison starts there, and spreads.
Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 12:02 PM (0KKyI)

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Run for your local school board.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 12:03 PM (LvTSG)

Absolutely. A critical office.

Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 12:04 PM (0KKyI)

271 If that was normal behavior for Chauvin, he was a ticking bomb.

It doesn't even surprise me anymore - when people look at Floyd vs Chauvin and insist on picking a good guy and a bad guy. All I saw were two assholes. We're better off without the both. The only tragedy was the show trial.

Posted by: Like A Rock at May 04, 2021 12:05 PM (784ZQ)

272 Daniel Defense DDM4V7 5.56; $1800; https://bit.ly/3aXZcH5 (dld-vip)

Posted by: bonhomme at May 04, 2021 12:06 PM (YYlyE)

273 My parents have Guatemalan yard workers and think they are the greatest ever. Maybe they are. I asked my mom if they were legal and she said she didn't know but they told here they had been here a long time. She also said sometime they have new helpers.
.
I didn't push it but it pisses me off. It's my parents, what am I going to do?

Posted by: f'd at May 04, 2021 12:06 PM (Tnijr)

274 "We have very different ideas of what organizing and fighting looks like at this point. My view is that we should be preparing our defenses and doing everything to drain the system of resources."

Remember that Democrats took over by out organizing and out working Republicans. Now, they had a lot of help with the media as a force multiplier but that doesn't change how they did it. Don't forget in that play, they also took out anyone who didn't sing their tune by voting in large numbers to primary any apostate. They instilled that fear in anyone who was watching. We don't have to accept the status quo and the GOPe. We need to play the same game and ensure these people realize why they are there in the first place and whose side they are on. We should take these people down one at a time using state and national processes to ensure they stick to the battle plan.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 04, 2021 12:07 PM (ZmCUz)

275 Rejection of oligarchy is possible, even easy, if and when large numbers of persons do it together.

oligarchy currently experiencing resistance from citizens refusing their mask mandates, lockdowns, and Bill Gates
masterminded vaxx protocol

Posted by: kallisto at May 04, 2021 12:07 PM (DJFLF)

276 212 I imagine we never heard anything about Chauvin's social media activity because he was super-progressive policeman, possibly in an effort to ingratiate himself with police leadership in the eventual hope of a promotion.
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George Zimmerman had been an Obama-voting liberal who worked with black inner-city kids before Trayvon Martin attacked him. Zimmerman was a lib who literally got mugged by reality. Who knows what his politics are now.

It's interesting to speculate about what Trayvon Martin's real girlfriend, the one who was actually on the phone with him that night, would have to tell us about Martin's statements to her. Did he tell her he'd just been to the 7-11 buying cigars and ingredients for "lean" so that he could smoke a blunt and get high? Did he tell her he'd just seen some fat white guy looking at him, and he was gonna circle back around and pound his pasty-white ass into the pavement?

There had to be some reason the real girlfriend wouldn't testify. My guess is that she knew her testimony would hurt the state's chances of getting a conviction against Zimmerman.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 04, 2021 12:07 PM (k4dH2)

277 Dworkin: Fen doesn't flounce

Posted by: CN at May 04, 2021 12:07 PM (ONvIw)

278 . It just took us this long to notice the decomposition.
Posted by: simplemind at May 04, 2021 11:35 AM


What's that smell?

Posted by: E. Swalwell (D-CA) at May 04, 2021 12:07 PM (DMUuz)

279 Who does the lawn work in Guatemala now, hmmm?

Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 12:07 PM (0KKyI)

280 I am a trial attorney in the LA area. I have tried several civil rights cases involving police officers. The cases often come down to a black guy's word against a cop's word. When picking the jury during voir dire, they are asked if they are prejudiced, none will admit to being prejudiced against a black guy's word even if they have a KKK hood under their bed. Whereas every prospective black juror freely admits they don't believe a word a cops says. Then they get kicked off for cause, and it is difficult to get a balanced jury.

BTW cops lie, all the freakin' time.

Posted by: tommylotto at May 04, 2021 12:08 PM (AD5ZC)

281 192 What would be the value of a "big GOP win" in 2022? I mean, what would be the practical value?
It would be the historic norm, among other things.
But what, specifically, would be useful about it?
(not a trick question, but kinda, if answers are specific)
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2021 11:50 AM (OTzUX)

Rhomboid, I believe the bad news would be that GOP leadership will think that their 'strategy' worked. Let Dem overreach backfire on them, etc. The good news, however, could be that we can put pressure on them to deliver, or at least gum up the works so that things don't get too bad for a President DeSantis or Trump redux. I've been on the 'let it burn' train for a while, but I'm having (minor) second thoughts. We need to have some kind of country for us to rebuild, and if this thing goes too far off the rails, the next real President will need to do some very unpopular things to get us back on track. I'm thinking Volcker-type 1980s things, which would be very hard on us going forward.

Let's just say I'm a 'let it burn, but with nagging second thoughts' type person right now.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 04, 2021 12:08 PM (hKTv8)

282 Maybe we can ask the Chinese for some help. They're not queasy about using force to affect change.

Kidding aside... I have to believe the CCP is watching events very closely. I think that's a wild card here. We're focused on Taiwan and the Chinese Central Government is focused on us. If ever there was an opportunity to overthrow the country now would be it. If I was interested such...

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 04, 2021 12:08 PM (3H9h1)

283 Regarding school board entryism by our side:

I have a bit of trouble wrapping my brain around the idea that one good apple un-spoils the whole barrel.

Should we also join the boards of institutions like Planned Parenthood, in the same spirit?

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 04, 2021 12:09 PM (OssQ4)

284 242:And when it finally fell, the most surprised were our CIA and State Department genius lackeys.
Posted by: Captain Hate



Ah yes. Those 1988 IC reports declared the Soviet Union was here to stay, the Berlin Wall wasn't going anywhere, and we should make nice with our Soviet fwiends. A year later, the Berlin Wall fell and a few years after that, the USSR was no more. Good job, IC guys!

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 04, 2021 12:09 PM (A+wzB)

285 So Kevin McCarthy rents in DC from Frank Luntz.... we aren't voting are way out of this. Conservatives have no party.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 04, 2021 12:09 PM (r+sAi)

286 Guatemalan yard workers

Posted by: f'd at May 04, 2021 12:06 PM (Tnijr)

Doing the work Americans are paid not to do.

Posted by: Deep State 910 at May 04, 2021 12:09 PM (/5BXs)

287 Remember that Democrats took over by out organizing and out working Republicans. Now, they had a lot of help with the media as a force multiplier but that doesn't change how they did it. Don't forget in that play, they also took out anyone who didn't sing their tune by voting in large numbers to primary any apostate. They instilled that fear in anyone who was watching.

The fundamental problem is that the Reds are collectivists, and we are individualists.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 04, 2021 12:09 PM (pOTJ4)

288 That said, Chauvin's absolute lack of care for the perp in his custody was shockingly bad. How do you go minutes on end in a dangerous body position without checking on your prisoner?

What I read about Chauvin does not portray him as a particularly good cop.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 04, 2021 12:09 PM (KZzsI)

289 America is in a post-constitutional order. There are two systems of justice. We have seen too much evidence.

Posted by: JM in Florida at May 04, 2021 12:09 PM (HCeRP)

290 High-ranking Swiss embassy employee (51), who represents US diplomatic interests in Iran, plunged to her death from the 17th floor of a high-rise building in northern #Tehran.

Posted by: SMOD at May 04, 2021 12:10 PM (RHGPo)

291 285 Rents a room in his home

Posted by: CN at May 04, 2021 12:10 PM (ONvIw)

292 If that was normal behavior for Chauvin, he was a ticking bomb.

It doesn't even surprise me anymore - when people look at Floyd vs Chauvin and insist on picking a good guy and a bad guy. All I saw were two assholes. We're better off without the both. The only tragedy was the show trial.
Posted by: Like A Rock at May 04, 2021 12:05 PM (784ZQ)

Same mindset as the jurors.

Posted by: Can't help myself at May 04, 2021 12:10 PM (2DOZq)

293 Who does the lawn work in Guatemala now, hmmm?

Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 12:07 PM (0KKyI)

We were at Disney Epcot many years ago and I pointed out Mexico, on the tour of nations, and asked my father-in-law who did their yard work? He laughed about that the whole day.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at May 04, 2021 12:10 PM (k/TB6)

294 >>>High-ranking Swiss embassy employee (51), who represents US diplomatic interests in Iran, plunged to her death from the 17th floor of a high-rise building in northern #Tehran.
Posted by: SMOD


Totes an accident. Totes.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 04, 2021 12:10 PM (XSRBF)

295 Capitalized "African American" is a part of some mandatory style guide right? Do we genuflect when we say it or is a somber tone sufficient?
Posted by: banana Dream at May 04, 2021 11:54 AM (DoV/l)


I tried to talk my wife into just using Black after she offended some Africans by calling them AAs but pc habits are hard to break once they become part of approved dogma.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 04, 2021 12:11 PM (y7DUB)

296 >>> High-ranking Swiss embassy employee (51), who represents US diplomatic interests in Iran, plunged to her death from the 17th floor of a high-rise building in northern #Tehran.
Posted by: SMOD at May 04, 2021 12:10 PM (RHGPo)



covid

Posted by: banana Dream at May 04, 2021 12:11 PM (DoV/l)

297 >>>BTW cops lie, all the freakin' time.
Posted by: tommylotto


Thankfully lawyers never do such things.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 04, 2021 12:12 PM (XSRBF)

298 283 Regarding school board entryism by our side:
I have a bit of trouble wrapping my brain around the idea that one good apple un-spoils the whole barrel.
Should we also join the boards of institutions like Planned Parenthood, in the same spirit?
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 04, 2021 12:09 PM (OssQ4)

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This is a weird comparison and you know it. School boards dictate, in part, the education of a generation of youth. One person pushing the breaks on crazy stuff there makes a difference. Two people is even better.

The idea is that more conservatives should get involved in their local government to help direct government that touches people's lives most, especially at the education level.

Planned Parenthood is different, but if we could get conservatives onto that board somehow (which would be nearly impossible since they select their own board as opposed to school boards that are generally elected) then maybe those conservatives could also get Planned Parenthood to stop selling baby parts. It's never a bad idea to get involved.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 12:12 PM (LvTSG)

299 "Pay close attention to local elections, especially. Every school board, county board, zoning commission, sheriffs office, states's attorney is critical to our daily lives. Poison starts there, and spreads.
Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 12:02 PM (0KKyI)"

This time 1,000.

The local kids got back in school and all the other nonsense ceased last board election. This place just voted for Trump at ~55% after voting for Hillary and Barky. Things change if you work from the ground up. Volunteer in your precinct. Get out there and run or organize.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 04, 2021 12:12 PM (ZmCUz)

300 What I read about Chauvin does not portray him as a particularly good cop.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Same here. Crooked as hell.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 04, 2021 12:12 PM (OssQ4)

301 There had to be some reason the real girlfriend
wouldn't testify. My guess is that she knew her testimony would hurt
the state's chances of getting a conviction against Zimmerman.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 04, 2021 12:07 PM

And the prosecutor in that case knew that the girl who did testify at the trial was not the girlfriend he was on the phone with that night. He should have been disbarred and subject to a civil suit from zimmerman but he lied about it and got away with it.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 04, 2021 12:12 PM (JUOKG)

302 295 Capitalized "African American" is a part of some mandatory style guide right? Do we genuflect when we say it or is a somber tone sufficient?
Posted by: banana Dream at May 04, 2021 11:54 AM (DoV/l)

I tried to talk my wife into just using Black after she offended some Africans by calling them AAs but pc habits are hard to break once they become part of approved dogma.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 04, 2021 12:11 PM (y7DUB)


The evolution of names for black people is a long and winding road....

Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 12:12 PM (0KKyI)

303 300 but is he a murderer?

Posted by: CN at May 04, 2021 12:12 PM (ONvIw)

304 The penalty for purjury is supposed to be fines and jail time. This guy will bet neither, but instead kudos. To be fair, judges let off lots of folks that commit perjury. In a case I was involved in, the other side commited PROVEABLE purjury in several instances, yet ended up not only being not called to account, but winning the case with the judge declaring him "believable". So in 2020 speak, perjury = believable.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 04, 2021 12:13 PM (ynpvh)

305 So Kevin McCarthy rents in DC from Frank Luntz.... we aren't voting are way out of this. Conservatives have no party.

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They're all spokes within the same wheel. All attached to each other. All agreeing, in public or private, with each other. All connected. And we're not in on any of it. Neither was Trump.

Posted by: Lady in Black at May 04, 2021 12:14 PM (O+I8R)

306 Who does the lawn work in Guatemala now, hmmm?
Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 12:07 PM (0KKyI)

Not us. Jes passin' through amigo.

Posted by: Hondurans at May 04, 2021 12:14 PM (v0R5T)

307 Robert Barnes put it in a nutshell ... Biden admin will charge someone with whatever crime that person accuses Biden.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 04, 2021 12:14 PM (099o0)

308 305 They're all spokes within the same wheel. All attached to each other. All agreeing, in public or private, with each other. All connected. And we're not in on any of it. Neither was Trump.
Posted by: Lady in Black at May 04, 2021 12:14 PM (O+I8R)

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Daenerys Targaryen for president, including the burning the capitol to the ground part.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 12:14 PM (LvTSG)

309 The Soviet Union and Iran have an external threat they use to keep their countries unified.

The USSR finally went bankrupt. Iran is heading that way unless Bidet bails them out.

What external intrinsic thread does the US Democrat Party have? None, they are all internal.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 04, 2021 12:14 PM (JmiBZ)

310 High-ranking Swiss embassy employee (51), who represents US diplomatic interests in Iran, plunged to her death from the 17th floor of a high-rise building in northern #Tehran.
Posted by: SMOD

Gay flight?

Posted by: Joe Mama at May 04, 2021 12:15 PM (WmGrA)

311 What I read about Chauvin does not portray him as a particularly good cop.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Same here. Crooked as hell.
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 04, 2021 12:12 PM (OssQ4)

Us, too.

Posted by: Drs. Gell and Mann at May 04, 2021 12:15 PM (/5BXs)

312 This is anecdotal, but we had a Leftist infiltrated school board whose true colors were revealed by the Virus kerfluffle. Elections came, three parents stepped up, and the Leftists were bounced out by sizable votes. The board changed for the better overnight.

Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 12:15 PM (0KKyI)

313 307 donks have been pulling that shit for years

Posted by: CN at May 04, 2021 12:16 PM (ONvIw)

314 I guess I see public schools differently than you do, TJM. I see them as a malevolent institution at this point, and tend toward letting them collapse, and praying for the hastening of that collapse.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 04, 2021 12:17 PM (OssQ4)

315 Yes, but we have come full circle now.people of color=colored people

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at May 04, 2021 12:17 PM (5HBd1)

316 BTW cops lie, all the freakin' time.
Posted by: tommylotto


Thankfully lawyers never do such things.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 04, 2021 12:12 PM (XSRBF)


If I was on the witness stand and was badgered by an ambulance chaser reminding me I was under oath, I'd have a hard time not responding "and you're not".

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 04, 2021 12:17 PM (y7DUB)

317 but is he a murderer?

I honestly don't know what the proper penalty should be for cheating someone out of the last twelve hours of life. I'd say measured in years - but not life in prison.

Posted by: Like A Rock at May 04, 2021 12:17 PM (784ZQ)

318 I wonder if a 2022 GOPe win of the House hurts us, as I said earlier. The most subversive thing may be to Biden give what he is promising, good and hard.

When Kevin McCarthy demands on the Capital steps that the January 6 protestors be freed from their solitary and secret imprisonment, that the Biden fascists stop spying on Giuliani and other Republicans, and that Ashli Babbitt's murderer be named and the investigation of her killing be publicly released, well then, maybe I support a Republican. But right now, they are all Bushies and I want nothing to do with them.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 04, 2021 12:18 PM (r9IMq)

319 314 I guess I see public schools differently than you do, TJM. I see them as a malevolent institution at this point, and tend toward letting them collapse, and praying for the hastening of that collapse.
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 04, 2021 12:17 PM (OssQ4)

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As we have waited for them to collapse, they have miseducated millions of young people into believing in subjective truth, anti-Americanism, and outright racism.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 12:18 PM (LvTSG)

320 What I read about Chauvin does not portray him as a particularly good cop.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Same here. Crooked as hell.
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 04, 2021 12:12 PM (OssQ4)


I hadn't seen this. What sorts of things are you talking about?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 04, 2021 12:19 PM (pOTJ4)

321
Observe an example of oligarch ZuckerBorg's new campaign for new internet regulations:

https://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=gDPTbleaW10

"Content moderation". "Privacy". Note the obese millennial man-child with the neck beard. This is the face of the new Big Brother.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at May 04, 2021 12:19 PM (Mzdiz)

322
319 314 I guess I see public schools differently than you do, TJM. I see them as a malevolent institution at this point, and tend toward letting them collapse, and praying for the hastening of that collapse.
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 04, 2021 12:17 PM (OssQ4)

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As we have waited for them to collapse, they have miseducated millions of young people into believing in subjective truth, anti-Americanism, and outright racism.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 04, 2021 12:18 PM (LvTSG)

My take is public education is various... it is still decent in some places, and the management is Everything.

Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 12:20 PM (0KKyI)

323 High-ranking Swiss embassy employee (51), who represents US diplomatic interests in Iran, plunged to her death from the 17th floor of a high-rise building in northern #Tehran.
Posted by: SMOD

Gay flight?
Posted by: Joe Mama at May 04, 2021 12:15 PM


*shifty eyes*

Yes...that's what it was.

*shifty eyes*

Posted by: The Mullahs at May 04, 2021 12:20 PM (m+jkK)

324 If I was on the witness stand and was badgered by an ambulance chaser reminding me I was under oath, I'd have a hard time not responding "and you're not".
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 04, 2021 12:17 PM (y7DUB)


Put more diplomatically, "Well, one of us is, anyway."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 04, 2021 12:20 PM (pOTJ4)

325 Chauvin was pure as the driven snow. Because fuck these domestic errors its.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 04, 2021 12:20 PM (099o0)

326 I hadn't seen this. What sorts of things are you talking about?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 04, 2021 12:19 PM (pOTJ4)


Over a dozen force complaints. He was a hammer looking for a nail.

Posted by: Like A Rock at May 04, 2021 12:21 PM (784ZQ)

327 Seriously, how do you collapse the public school system? If enough people flock to private school, I suppose, but that's an expensive endeavor and out of reach for many that would choose such a thing for their kids. The public schools have a mandate to fleece property owners for every drop they can get, and never have to produce any real academic results, not counting the indoctrination of leftist dogma. They won't go under until their budgets are slashed to nothing.

Posted by: Lady in Black at May 04, 2021 12:21 PM (O+I8R)

328 282 Maybe we can ask the Chinese for some help. They're not queasy about using force to affect change.

Kidding aside... I have to believe the CCP is watching events very closely. I think that's a wild card here. We're focused on Taiwan and the Chinese Central Government is focused on us. If ever there was an opportunity to overthrow the country now would be it. If I was interested such...

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 04, 2021 12:08 PM (3H9h1)

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They've already virtually overthrown the country by having their puppet installed in the White House and buying off most of DC/Big Corporate America. They're busy now just rolling out the eventual oppression and enslavement of the serfs ...

Posted by: ShainS at May 04, 2021 12:22 PM (3oiFl)

329 OT - just made the last payment on my husband's truck, two years early. Even though CBD said not to (sorry, CBD).

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 04, 2021 12:23 PM (Ez6QX)

330 Schools and the importance of local control... a few Karens whined o our board about canceling Seuss and a couple of other things... our board laughed at them and told them to take a hike.

Posted by: kraken at May 04, 2021 12:23 PM (0KKyI)

331 NOOD mental illness

Posted by: ShainS at May 04, 2021 12:24 PM (3oiFl)

332 Check out this intentionally bad abomination.

i.redd.it/5dhhztauc0x61.jpg

Ian Malcolm says you shouldn't have done that.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 04, 2021 12:24 PM (YYlyE)

333 "Over a dozen force complaints. He was a hammer looking for a nail."

Did you read the materiality of those complaints? Who they came from and what they were charged with? Remind me, did any of them testify under oath?

What Chauvin did was wrong, but it wasn't Murder.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 04, 2021 12:24 PM (ZmCUz)

334 >>> When Kevin McCarthy demands on the Capital steps that the January 6 protestors be freed from their solitary and secret imprisonment, that the Biden fascists stop spying on Giuliani and other Republicans, and that Ashli Babbitt's murderer be named and the investigation of her killing be publicly released, well then, maybe I support a Republican. But right now, they are all Bushies and I want nothing to do with them.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 04, 2021 12:18 PM (r9IMq)


I would add to that an acknowledgment that the election was stolen and the government is illegitimate. Which will never happen. But I guess I can still use the GOPe as a tool to get what I want. But nearly no serving Republican deserves any of our trust. They are as much in our enemies' camp as the dems.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 04, 2021 12:24 PM (DoV/l)

335 Congrats, Jordan61! There's something really great about not having the millstone of monthly payments hanging around your neck.

Posted by: Lady in Black at May 04, 2021 12:25 PM (O+I8R)

336 I'm a eggshell double male. I'm a race yet to be discovered, nevered.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 04, 2021 12:25 PM (o89XP)

337
Note the obese millennial man-child with the neck beard.


That's an oxygen breather who carries no load (OBNL). A friend of mine from high school who was a propulsion officer on a nuclear attack sub assured me that they were the worst.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 04, 2021 12:25 PM (avEKX)

338 He should have been disbarred and subject to a civil suit from Zimmerman but he lied about it and got away with it.

I understand the need to protect lawyers from angry people who got busted and I get that you cannot have constant lawsuits against prosecutors and judges just because people didn't like the outcome but... maybe the protections have gone too far, since its these people writing and interpreting the laws

I hadn't seen this. What sorts of things are you talking about?

He was one of those cops that kept having excessive force complaints and a day off to sit and think about it but kept on the force, from what I read. Maybe people have other info.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 04, 2021 12:25 PM (KZzsI)

339 Internet outage interrupted my dialogue on consequences of '22 House GOP win. We all survived. But net/net, from all responses I saw, was really no change. Senate as now configured can block all legislation other than Budget Resolution and Reconciliation. Filibuster goes, that changes. Dems get up to 59 seats, that changes (very unlikely).

And I also missed the things that make Chauvin look bad. In any case, they're not relevant to the case. It's all there, in video and medical examiner's reports, isn't it?

Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2021 12:26 PM (OTzUX)

340 Jay, early on there were several accounts of his time working, in his capacity as a cop, basically *with* Floyd, who was a security guard, both for a very shady bar connected to the mayor, and to money counterfeiting.

Also recently a case was unearthed about his off-the-handle treatment of a 14y old kid.

Something always smelled wrong about the guy when I read about him. No, I don't have any links right now.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 04, 2021 12:26 PM (OssQ4)

341 Over a dozen force complaints. He was a hammer looking for a nail.
Posted by: Like A Rock at May 04, 2021 12:21 PM (784ZQ

18 over 19 years. 16 were dismissed as not legitimate.

Posted by: Can't help myself at May 04, 2021 12:26 PM (2DOZq)

342 Over a dozen force complaints. He was a hammer looking for a nail.
Posted by: Like A Rock at May 04, 2021 12:21 PM (784ZQ)


Yeah, but ... I need more context. Is that a lot or not? To compare, I'd need to know how many such complaints were lodged against other police officers serving for a similar time, in a similar neighborhood, with similar numbers of felony arrests.

Otherwise, it might be a comparison of a long-serving cop patrolling a shitty neighborhood and making lots of felony arrests, with a new police academy graduate who's never made an arrest and who is guarding the Dunkin' Donuts in an upscale area. Exaggerating, obviously, but I think context is needed.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 04, 2021 12:26 PM (pOTJ4)

343 Alexis de Tocqueville turned out to be spot on more than a century ago. But the people voting themselves money turned out to be the Dem Party using the treasury to fund not only their family and friends but organizations which further their own power to put the boot on the neck of the rest of us.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 04, 2021 12:26 PM (r+sAi)

344 288 That said, Chauvin's absolute lack of care for the perp in his custody was shockingly bad. How do you go minutes on end in a dangerous body position without checking on your prisoner?

What I read about Chauvin does not portray him as a particularly good cop.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 04, 2021 12:09 PM (KZzsI)

Please don't ignore the fact there was a rowdy crowd taking attention away from the detained criminal. It wasn't as if this occurred in a controlled area. Chauvin was backing up much less experienced officers and surrounded by a potential mob.

Posted by: Inogame at May 04, 2021 12:27 PM (53oGX)

345 Something always smelled wrong about the guy when I read about him. No, I don't have any links right now.
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 04, 2021 12:26 PM (OssQ4)


OK. Thanks!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 04, 2021 12:27 PM (pOTJ4)

346 325 Chauvin was pure as the driven snow. Because fuck these domestic errors its.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 04, 2021 12:20 PM (099o0)

Domestic Error Tits?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 04, 2021 12:27 PM (ynpvh)

347 Chauvin was backing up much less experienced officers and surrounded by a potential mob.
Posted by: Inogame at May 04, 2021 12:27 PM (53oGX)


I watched the trial, in which it came out that one of officers was on his third patrol.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 04, 2021 12:28 PM (pOTJ4)

348 What did Chauvin do wrong? Not act as super-EMT while also restraining a much bigger drugged-out-of-his-gourd piece of street trash? Or did he fail to balance the state budget and fix the roads in Edina at the same time? What would anyone here or any cop anywhere ever do differently under those circumstances?

Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2021 12:28 PM (OTzUX)

349 OK. Thanks!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 04, 2021 12:27 PM (pOTJ4)

See my #341

Posted by: Can't help myself at May 04, 2021 12:28 PM (2DOZq)

350 That said, Chauvin's absolute lack of care for the perp in his custody was shockingly bad. How do you go minutes on end in a dangerous body position without checking on your prisoner? How do you not notice when your prisoner goes from being combative to inert?

* * *

It was a combination of several things. First the cops were surrounded by a loud and hostile crowd. The cops were scared. Second, the cops knew that the fire station was just a couple of blocks away, and they believed that the EMT's were going to arrive any second. Third, the cops knew Floyd had taken a lot of drugs.

On the tape you can hear the cops saying things like "he has passed out" and "he'll be fine" when Floyd stopped moving.
They didn't realize he'd stopped breathing. They thought he'd just passed out from the drug use. When the one cop came over and tried to check Floyd's pulse and couldn't find one, it's not clear if Chauvin heard that or not. But even if he did, police protocol is that they not start CPR unless it's safe to do so. It could be Chauvin thought it wouldn't be safe, given the hostile crowd. And he knew he had a window of several minutes to re-start Floyd's heart.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 04, 2021 12:29 PM (k4dH2)

351 That being said, he should have been acquitted, because his character wasn't on trial, but one death was.

But he wasn't one of the good ones.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 04, 2021 12:30 PM (OssQ4)

352 Dangerous position? Police forces around the country for years have trained and put in their doctrine a dangerous position as standard for restraining out of control perps? Without being sued into oblivion?

Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2021 12:30 PM (OTzUX)

353 Over a dozen force complaints. He was a hammer looking for a nail.
Posted by: Like A Rock at May 04, 2021 12:21 PM (784ZQ)

Just a dozen?
Good cops will get that for doing real work pretty quickly.
Without specifics behind complaints and without understanding the complaint process specific to the jurisdiction that is a meaningless stat.

Posted by: Inogame at May 04, 2021 12:30 PM (53oGX)

354 18 over 19 years. 16 were dismissed as not legitimate.
Posted by: Can't help myself at May 04, 2021 12:26 PM (2DOZq)


By the same system that closed ranks to protect a cop that shot across his partner to kill an unarmed housewife.

Look - I get it - old habits die hard, and the right has backed the blue for so long that its a reflex. But when discussing matters pertaining to the Minneapolis PD - a default position of skepticism would be more in order. This conversation could not be more timely - what did we just talk about ? An Op Ed saying what some here have said for a long, long time - the Right will either stop supporting their own enemies, or they will perish.

Posted by: Like A Rock at May 04, 2021 12:32 PM (784ZQ)

355 Other than the gov betrayal to us, foreign friends are getting brand X gov.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 04, 2021 12:32 PM (o89XP)

356 Dangerous position? Police forces around the country for years have trained and put in their doctrine a dangerous position as standard for restraining out of control perps? Without being sued into oblivion?

Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2021 12:30 PM (OTzUX)


Floyd had played football. Do you suppose he never ended up with several (beefy) guys on top of him for a while?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 04, 2021 12:32 PM (pOTJ4)

357 333 "Over a dozen force complaints. He was a hammer looking for a nail."


Did you read the materiality of those complaints? Who they came from
and what they were charged with? Remind me, did any of them testify
under oath?


What Chauvin did was wrong, but it wasn't Murder.Posted by: Marcus T at May 04, 2021 12:24 PM (ZmCUz)

Murder involves intent. To convict of murder, you have to believe Chauvin intended on killing Floyd, be it pre-conceived (1st degree) or heat of the moment (2nd degree). Minnesota has a special 3rd degree, but even that requires "evincing a depraved mind", or "causes the death of a human being by, directly or indirectly, unlawfully
selling, giving away, bartering, delivering, exchanging, distributing,
or administering a controlled substance classified in Schedule I or II...". So it seems to me that the drug dealer that gave Floyd the stuff is guilty of at least 3rd degree murder. What are the chances he will be prosecuted? I give it near zero.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 04, 2021 12:34 PM (ynpvh)

358 18 over 19 years. 16 were dismissed as not legitimate.
Posted by: Can't help myself at May 04, 2021 12:26 PM (2DOZq)

By the same system that closed ranks to protect a cop that shot across his partner to kill an unarmed housewife.


Whereas people being arrested for felonies would never consider making use of force allegations, potentially as a bargaining chip. Same thing with claiming they can't breathe, which I've read is de rigeur among people getting arrested.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 04, 2021 12:34 PM (pOTJ4)

359 So it seems to me that the drug dealer that gave Floyd the stuff is guilty of at least 3rd degree murder. What are the chances he will be prosecuted? I give it near zero.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 04, 2021 12:34 PM (ynpvh)


Imagine if Chauvin had given him the dope, and the dealer was the one kneeling on him.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 04, 2021 12:35 PM (pOTJ4)

360 Did anyone nood yet? 'Cause, nood

Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 04, 2021 12:37 PM (r9IMq)

361 If I'm worried about the mob surrounding me - I'm not going to waste time taking a knee on top of the immobile, unconscious guy with his hands cuffed behind his back.

Posted by: Like A Rock at May 04, 2021 12:38 PM (784ZQ)

362 Well, despite what I sense about the man, I still would have voted not guilty on all three charges. Nothing regarding that sense I get came into play in this incident.

I should just shut up.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 04, 2021 12:40 PM (OssQ4)

363 361 If I'm worried about the mob surrounding me - I'm not going to waste time taking a knee on top of the immobile, unconscious guy with his hands cuffed behind his back.
Posted by: Like A Rock at May 04, 2021 12:38 PM (784ZQ)

This is nonsensical.
I assume you are merely trolling now.

Had you watched the trial, there was specific training as to what to do in these situations and the officers including Chauvin followed what they were trained to do. Including securing the unconscious guy.

Posted by: Inogame at May 04, 2021 12:45 PM (53oGX)

364 Posted by: Like A Rock at May 04, 2021 12:32 PM (784ZQ

I get it too. You have your mind made up on cops in general thus redefining the complaint dismissals as a cover up. Bad cops have been a thing since there have been cops. Always will be but I will continue to avoid the broad brush especially since I think it's better now than it ever has been regard to accountability.

Posted by: Can't help myself at May 04, 2021 12:47 PM (2DOZq)

365 I mentioned this on JJ's thread this morning. I live in a town in MT having its school board election today. Last week at my hairdresser's, I complained about not being able to find out who the conservatives were. She whipped out her phone and told me. Someone had done the research and texted everyone she could think of, asking each to tell ten people. Happening under the radar. Perhaps it's happening many places.

Posted by: Wenda at May 04, 2021 12:49 PM (MdKnG)

366 Had you watched the trial, there was specific training as to what to do in these situations and the officers including Chauvin followed what they were trained to do.

The good ol' "following orders" defense. Didn't work at Nuremberg. Didn't work for Calley. Honestly - if the FBI busts down another door and hassles somebody for hours over a laptop they didn't steal - is it all good as long as the agents "follow their training" ? Cry all you want for Chauvin. He's a bad cop caught up in a bad show trial over the death of another bad guy. The only tragedy is the trial itself. Whatever happens to Chauvin himself ? Nothing to lose any sleep about. Society is better off without him.

Posted by: Like A Rock at May 04, 2021 12:53 PM (784ZQ)

367 People populate organizations.

Posted by: Two Weeks at May 04, 2021 12:54 PM (Mv7yD)

368 366 Had you watched the trial, there was specific training as to what to do in these situations and the officers including Chauvin followed what they were trained to do.

The good ol' "following orders" defense. Didn't work at Nuremberg. Didn't work for Calley. Honestly - if the FBI busts down another door and hassles somebody for hours over a laptop they didn't steal - is it all good as long as the agents "follow their training" ? Cry all you want for Chauvin. He's a bad cop caught up in a bad show trial over the death of another bad guy. The only tragedy is the trial itself. Whatever happens to Chauvin himself ? Nothing to lose any sleep about. Society is better off without him.
Posted by: Like A Rock at May 04, 2021 12:53 PM (784ZQ)

I've seen no evidence he was a bad cop, or a good cop but you seem very sure of yourself. Nothing at all to back it up, but very sure non-the-less. Are you Allahpundit by chance?

Posted by: Inogame at May 04, 2021 12:55 PM (53oGX)

369 Well, despite what I sense about the man, I still would have voted not guilty on all three charges.

I agree. I don't think he was guilty of any of the charges. Just mot a good cop.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 04, 2021 01:02 PM (KZzsI)

370 Thankfully lawyers never do such things.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 04, 2021 12:12 PM (XSRBF)

If I was on the witness stand and was badgered by an ambulance chaser reminding me I was under oath, I'd have a hard time not responding "and you're not".
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 04, 2021 12:17 PM (y7DUB)

You guys are confusing arguments made by an advocate in an adversarial justice system where both sides are represented by a lawyer charged with zealously representing their client, with false testimony by a witness under oath. And no, the lawyer is not under oath, whereas the witness is. Big difference.

Posted by: tommylotto at May 04, 2021 01:13 PM (AD5ZC)

371 Liberals Have Become Mentally Ill Over Covid



Now chop your dick off and call yourself Susie you weird f*cking freaks.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 04, 2021 01:15 PM (YA914)

372 And police commit perjury routinely. It's all a game.... Everyone doing whatever they can to win.

Chauvin knew what was up. He chose this. He just thought he was above it.

Posted by: Pork Soda at May 04, 2021 01:24 PM (Ipns8)

373 He chose this.
===?
Well, I suppose if you want to talk about being responsible for your own decisions then, could we talk about how terribly unwise it is to cram enough fentanyl up your own ass that it would kill a rhino?

Posted by: simplemind at May 04, 2021 01:29 PM (yU7dP)

374 And no, the lawyer is not under oath, whereas the witness is.

Yeah, that seems like its kind of a problem. The lawyer can say and do pretty much anything the judge lets them get away with, lying and whatever.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 04, 2021 01:29 PM (KZzsI)

375 373 He chose this.
===?
"Well, I suppose if you want to talk about being responsible for your own decisions then, could we talk about how terribly unwise it is to cram enough fentanyl up your own ass that it would kill a rhino?"

Also true.

The comment about lawyers not being under oath? Pure gold. Not a single instance I can think of, where someone not being accountable for their words or actions....being a good thing.

Posted by: Pork Soda at May 04, 2021 02:36 PM (39om0)

376 Well at least you finally admit that this country is a joke. Ethno-nationalism is the only way forward, like it or not.

Posted by: Your Name Here at May 04, 2021 03:53 PM (XmppF)

377 He just filed an appeal. They handed him the keys to the gate.

Posted by: Pork Soda at May 04, 2021 08:11 PM (K+BWT)

378 It is gone, it left long ago. What has been shambling along since then is a zombie government from the walking dead.
It stinks, it rots and it won't die.
When and where did it start?
All we know is America the Nation and Ideals died in 2021.
I doubt we shall see it return in what's left of my lifetime, My grandsons won't see it maybe it is forever gone.
We simply don't have the power to face corporations and a government high on crimes.

Posted by: obsidian at May 05, 2021 10:07 AM (7+yqP)

379 And no, I will not willingly serve on a Jury.

Posted by: obsidian at May 05, 2021 10:08 AM (7+yqP)

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