Biden Considers Evading Limits on Surveilling Citizens By Farming Spying Operations Out to Third Parties Who Are Less Regulated

Say, weren't all the NeverTrumpers endlessly screeching about the "authoritarian" tendencies of Trump?

Suggesting that that was a bad thing?

And yet they continue to be silent about Biden's full weaponization of government against the citizenry.

The Biden administration is considering using outside firms to track extremist chatter by Americans online, an effort that would expand the government's ability to gather intelligence but could draw criticism over surveillance of US citizens.

The Department of Homeland Security is limited in how it can monitor citizens online without justification and is banned from activities like assuming false identities to gain access to private messaging apps used by extremist groups such as the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers.

Instead, federal authorities can only browse through unprotected information on social media sites like Twitter and Facebook and other open online platforms.

The plan being discussed inside DHS, according to multiple sources, would, in effect, allow the department to circumvent those limits. A source familiar with the effort said it is not about decrypting data but rather using outside entities who can legally access these private groups to gather large amounts of information that could help DHS identify key narratives as they emerge.

By partnering with research firms who have more visibility in this space, the DHS could produce information that would likely be beneficial to both it and the FBI, which can't monitor US citizens in this way without first getting a warrant or having the pretext of an ongoing investigation. The CIA and NSA are also limited on collecting intelligence domestically.

It would, however, involve empowering a unit at DHS that is already under fierce scrutiny for its bungled handling of the Portland riots last summer, an episode that included collecting intelligence reports on journalists and unmasking private citizens, according to a source familiar with a recent internal report on the matter.

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Outsourcing some information gathering to outside firms would give DHS the benefit of tactics that it isn't legally able to do in-house, such as using false personas to gain access to private groups used by suspected extremists, sources say.

I'm speculating here, but I would imagine that what's happened is that the left sued about these tactics being used against them, so the government signed a consent decree confessing these tactics are illegal.

But now the left's victory hurts Biden's ability to get The Real Terrorists, and they can't have that -- the left should be protected from surveillance, they think. The right should not be.

So here we go, keeping the ban in place for the left but seeking to evade it when it comes to spying in the right.

This is straight up a political oppression operation -- they admit they're not looking for crimes, but for "narratives of concern."

If they find someone pushing a "narrative of concern," they will then throw millions of dollars of investigation at that person, searching for a crime:

FBI director Christopher Wray has been emphatic during recent public testimony that the bureau does not investigate ideologies or even conspiracy theories in and of themselves, but restricts its social media monitoring to cases where they believe a crime, or potential crime, was committed.

But if the DHS could help provide a broad picture of who was perpetuating the "narratives" of concern, the FBI could theoretically use that pool of information to focus on specific individuals if there is enough evidence of a potential crime to legally do so, the source added, noting the two agencies are working closely with one another in this area.



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1 I knew it.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 03, 2021 11:15 AM (kTF2Z)

2 I'll fetch the otters.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 03, 2021 11:15 AM (kTF2Z)

3 Vote harder!

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 03, 2021 11:15 AM (OssQ4)

4 Is this a blessing of liberty?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 03, 2021 11:15 AM (LvTSG)

5 Otters called.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 03, 2021 11:16 AM (kTF2Z)

6 Wray is the biggest liar ever. Maybe he's part of the Jarrett team?

Posted by: CN at May 03, 2021 11:16 AM (ONvIw)

7 Cool. This is fine.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 03, 2021 11:16 AM (EuYTz)

8 So, are they talking about farming out surveillance duties to the Post Office, or hiring former intelligence personnel from other countries to vet opposition research a la Steele?

Posted by: Qoheleth at May 03, 2021 11:17 AM (w3Nqy)

9 He already has, say hi to the USPS.

GSA will probably be spying on us by the end of the year.

Posted by: sven at May 03, 2021 11:17 AM (Lzpvj)

10 So when may we expect the camps to open? I mean they already have the trains for transport...

Posted by: It's me donna at May 03, 2021 11:17 AM (Zmnko)

11 Aren't they already using the Postal Service to do some of this?

Guess they don't have a big enough budget?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 03, 2021 11:17 AM (oHd/0)

12 How is this any different than hiring a hit man to whack your ex?

"Gee, officer, I didn't pull the trigger, so I'm innocent!"

Posted by: pep at May 03, 2021 11:17 AM (v16oJ)

13 As said in the previous thread...

Never forget, It was the meat puppet that suggested going after Mike Flynn using the Logan Act.

And I would suggest that the Meat Puppet was the point person in suggesting creative way to surveil enemies in the SCOAMF's administration.

The meat puppet has been a vicious, depraved scumbag for going on 50 years.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 03, 2021 11:17 AM (TRWf+)

14 Every day it's a new assault on liberty with these usurpers.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 03, 2021 11:18 AM (TKmok)

15 Effing DHS. Thanks, GW, for that monstrosity. DHS and the Patriot Act, gifts that keep on giving, to the Deep State.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at May 03, 2021 11:18 AM (2SdPm)

16 There is only the State. And they will do anything to keep power.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 03, 2021 11:18 AM (ifmtJ)

17 Why not just use the FBI to make shit up and then frame people?

Posted by: garrett at May 03, 2021 11:18 AM (g0Vv7)

18 9 He already has, say hi to the USPS.

GSA will probably be spying on us by the end of the year.
Posted by: sven at May 03, 2021 11:17 AM (Lzpvj)

/snickers

End of the year.... /snorts...

Posted by: Bob, NSA.. at May 03, 2021 11:18 AM (oHd/0)

19 Private ownership, government control. I think there's a term for this. Hold on, it'll come to me.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 03, 2021 11:19 AM (kTF2Z)

20 Is this a blessing of liberty?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 03, 2021 11:15 AM (LvTSG)

No, it's a butterfly

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 03, 2021 11:19 AM (ifmtJ)

21 >>I would suggest that the Meat Puppet was the point person in suggesting creative way to surveil enemies in the SCOAMF's administration.


I would suggest that they have enough problems keeping his dick out of his Farina.

Posted by: garrett at May 03, 2021 11:19 AM (g0Vv7)

22 For the record, next time the Postmaster General whines about needing a postage increase, or bitches about budget shortfalls, I'm going to remember that they had the time and resources to spy on us proles.

Posted by: Qoheleth at May 03, 2021 11:19 AM (w3Nqy)

23 11 Posted by: Romeo13 at May 03, 2021 11:17 AM (oHd/0)

I am certain Bezos will pay for it.

Posted by: sven at May 03, 2021 11:19 AM (Lzpvj)

24 We're watching you!


-Amtrak $80B new budget.

Posted by: Archer at May 03, 2021 11:19 AM (gmo/4)

25 20 Is this a blessing of liberty?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 03, 2021 11:15 AM (LvTSG)

No, it's a butterfly
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 03, 2021 11:19 AM (ifmtJ)

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Ce n'est pas une pipe?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 03, 2021 11:19 AM (LvTSG)

26 Ouch!! The Biden administration's finger up my ass is very uncomfortable.

Posted by: That gal cloggenstein from brattleboro Vermont at May 03, 2021 11:20 AM (R5lpX)

27 Why not just use the FBI to make shit up and then frame people?
Posted by: garrett at May 03, 2021 11:18 AM (g0Vv7)
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Why do you think we host law enforcement seminars? It certainly isn't because we care about the law or anything.

Oh, and hi there, Bob at NSA. How are things over with you guys?

Posted by: FBI Bob at May 03, 2021 11:20 AM (2SdPm)

28 Uh, Five Eyes has been a thing for a long time already.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 03, 2021 11:20 AM (DXFDM)

29 Wray is the biggest liar ever. Maybe he's part of the Jarrett team?
Posted by: CN at May 03, 2021 11:16 AM (ONvIw)

What was Beria's ultimate fate?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 03, 2021 11:20 AM (cSyAR)

30 18 Posted by: Bob, NSA.. at May 03, 2021 11:18 AM (oHd/0)

Bob how is Ralph down the hall?

Posted by: sven at May 03, 2021 11:20 AM (Lzpvj)

31 A source familiar with the effort said it is not about decrypting data but rather using outside entities who can legally access these private groups to gather large amounts of information that could help DHS identify key narratives as they emerge.
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Okay, serious question on this. How is this materially different from using a CI? When the cops use an informant, they're using someone on the inside who gives them information. They rarely ask a CI to infiltrate, but I think they're allowed to do so.

This is philosophically very different in that it is an untargeted information dragnet used to build persistent dossiers on everyone by proxying the activity through third parties, but this strikes me as essentially the corporatization of the CI system to scale it up.

The major differences I see between something like and using an informant are that this is essentially untargeted and it is not in association with an active investigation. Those are big differences indeed, but I see parallels between this and informant networks.

Is this the wrong read?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2021 11:20 AM (Jsjd7)

32 17 Why not just use the FBI to make shit up and then frame people?
Posted by: garrett at May 03, 2021 11:18 AM (g0Vv7)

Stick with what works, right?

Posted by: CN at May 03, 2021 11:20 AM (ONvIw)

33 Eventually everything will collapse under overly top-heavy corruption.

The collapse and getting there will be a bitch though.

Posted by: davidt at May 03, 2021 11:21 AM (pnSY9)

34 21 >>I would suggest that the Meat Puppet was the point person in suggesting creative way to surveil enemies in the SCOAMF's administration.

I would suggest that they have enough problems keeping his dick out of his Farina.
Posted by: garrett at May 03, 2021 11:19 AM (g0Vv7)

Well Hunter's got Stymie and Buckwheat tied up at the moment, so....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 03, 2021 11:21 AM (/EuRN)

35 >>> Private ownership, government control. I think there's a term for this. Hold on, it'll come to me.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 03, 2021 11:19 AM (kTF2Z)


Bound together like rods in a fasces.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 03, 2021 11:21 AM (AB1Co)

36 28 Uh, Five Eyes has been a thing for a long time already.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 03, 2021 11:20 AM (DXFDM)

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A fictionalized version, Nine Eyes, was the bad guy's plan in Spectre.

I doubt Bond will deal with such things close to the real world ever again.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 03, 2021 11:21 AM (LvTSG)

37 extremist groups such as the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers.
Gosh CNN, I wonder if you could have written that sentence differently.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 03, 2021 11:21 AM (r+sAi)

38 We're being forced into a fight we can't possibly win. That much is perfectly clear.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 03, 2021 11:22 AM (sWM8x)

39 Is this a blessing of liberty?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 03, 2021 11:15 AM (LvTSG)

No, it's a butterfly
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 03, 2021 11:19 AM (ifmtJ)

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Ce n'est pas une pipe?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 03, 2021 11:19 AM (LvTSG)

I have a meme for that

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 03, 2021 11:22 AM (ifmtJ)

40 Cream of Wheat > Farina

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 03, 2021 11:22 AM (5i/g5)

41 So, I guess the theme today will be: Yes, the gubmint is targeting you!

But you can't do shit about it.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 03, 2021 11:22 AM (jvt6t)

42 I hope everyone read, saved, and passed around this Laura Williams essay about the Stasi.

Link goes to Fee dot org.

https://tinyurl.com/wkmhc36b

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 03, 2021 11:22 AM (OssQ4)

43 For being the biggest threat to national security, those white supremacists sure are hard to find, aren't they?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 03, 2021 11:23 AM (kTF2Z)

44 39 Ce n'est pas une pipe?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 03, 2021 11:19 AM (LvTSG)

I have a meme for that
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 03, 2021 11:22 AM (ifmtJ)

=========

Ah, but is it perfect?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 03, 2021 11:23 AM (LvTSG)

45 Rendition.

Posted by: davidt at May 03, 2021 11:23 AM (pnSY9)

46 I see that the peerless FBI agents who went to the wrong person's home to look for Pelosi's laptop-- took this innocent woman's phones and laptop!!!

Thieves. Tyrants.

Posted by: JM in Florida at May 03, 2021 11:23 AM (HCeRP)

47 Okay, serious question on this. How is this materially different from
using a CI? When the cops use an informant, they're using someone on the
inside who gives them information.

Presumably, a CI is being used because there is knowledge of ongoing crimes. There is no such knowledge here, and no inclination on my part to trust that their motives are anything other than political.

Posted by: pep at May 03, 2021 11:24 AM (v16oJ)

48 Isn't this the textbook definition of Fascism?

Posted by: johnd01 at May 03, 2021 11:24 AM (ukNFU)

49 Chris Wray is full of shit.

Abolish him and his hair.

Ass kisser.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 03, 2021 11:25 AM (DDw5Y)

50 The major differences I see between something like and using an informant are that this is essentially untargeted and it is not in association with an active investigation. Those are big differences indeed, but I see parallels between this and informant networks.

Is this the wrong read?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2021 11:20 AM (Jsjd7)
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I'm pretty sure they're talking about using search algorithms to look for suspicious phrases.

Oh, and look! Youtube, Twitter, and Facebook already have such in place. All they need to do is send the information over and good to go!

Basically, DHS is telling us they're going to use what big tech has already started.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at May 03, 2021 11:25 AM (2SdPm)

51 hiya

Posted by: JT at May 03, 2021 11:25 AM (arJlL)

52 Awesome!

Posted by: Lizzy at May 03, 2021 11:25 AM (bDqIh)

53 All of these measures are the actions of an Administration that was elected fairly and honestly, without shadow of doubt, nor the merest notion of malfeasance.

Posted by: Stu Podaso at May 03, 2021 11:25 AM (NHiEn)

54 Isn't this the textbook definition of Fascism?
Posted by: johnd01 at May 03, 2021 11:24 AM (ukNFU)
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No, not really. It is a generic kind of thing that takes place under all totalitarian regimes, though.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2021 11:25 AM (Jsjd7)

55 Off icky chlymadia ridden vermont sock

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at May 03, 2021 11:25 AM (R5lpX)

56 I'm pretty sure they're talking about using search algorithms to look for suspicious phrases.
Good thing they've selected criteria that are completely objective.

Posted by: pep at May 03, 2021 11:25 AM (v16oJ)

57 I don't want to read tweets from people I know. I can't imagine a more miserable job than having to read a bunch of tweets and facebook posts.

Still, there are a lot of leftists out there with no marketable skills at all. This might allow them to find a job.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 03, 2021 11:25 AM (xfb67)

58 They want to make violence unavoidable. That's cocky.

So have McConnell and McCarthy figured out a way to grift off the outsourced tyranny yet?

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at May 03, 2021 11:26 AM (puu6v)

59 48 Isn't this the textbook definition of Fascism?
Posted by: johnd01 at May 03, 2021 11:24 AM (ukNFU)

Donks are not fascists. It was they who stopped Hitler Jr before he could build death camps here in the US. Ask my sister in law

Posted by: CN at May 03, 2021 11:26 AM (ONvIw)

60 Isn't this the textbook definition of Fascism?

No. Its just abusive tyranny.

The textbook definition of fascism is very specific but nobody seems to give a damn what it is any more.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 03, 2021 11:26 AM (KZzsI)

61 you know, in the early 1930s the rich in Germany supported Hitler because they were afraid of the Communists. I wonder if there's any parallel here.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at May 03, 2021 11:26 AM (4a9Vv)

62 Thanks. I stand corrected.

Posted by: johnd01 at May 03, 2021 11:26 AM (ukNFU)

63 Mom, there are no Americans. We are a nameless people on the North American Continent.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 03, 2021 11:27 AM (o89XP)

64 "help DHS identify key narratives as they emerge."

"FBI could theoretically use that pool of information to focus on specific individuals if there is enough evidence of a potential crime to legally do so"


Spreading inconvenient truths (e.g. facts about the election fraud) is a "Potential Crime" ... a thought crime. Exposing the leftist mafiosa is a "Key Narrative" for which they can drag you out of your home and hold you in DC indefinitely. (soon it will be Gitmo for reprogramming?).


They fabricate Fake Narratives (e.g. Trump/Russia) and use our agencies to establish a set of (fake) "facts". Spokeswoman Huckabee was trashed for suggesting "another set of facts". That is not allowed ... there is OneNarrative, counter-narratives are WrongThink.


I just find it interesting that their main concern is alternative Narratives to their (fake) Narrative.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 03, 2021 11:27 AM (Cus5s)

65 60 The textbook definition of fascism is very specific but nobody seems to give a damn what it is any more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 03, 2021 11:26 AM (KZzsI)

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Obama was pretty close to a textbook fascist.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 03, 2021 11:27 AM (LvTSG)

66 >Isn't this the textbook definition of Fascism?
Posted by: johnd01 at May 03, 2021 11:24 AM (ukNFU)

But this time it's wearing a smiley face!

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 03, 2021 11:27 AM (DXFDM)

67 The textbook definition of fascism is very specific but nobody seems to give a damn what it is any more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 03, 2021 11:26 AM (KZzsI)

Because it's the national pre-occupation and nazis are everywhere, real ones, too...like Trump

Posted by: CN at May 03, 2021 11:28 AM (ONvIw)

68 I suppose the outside groups will do this work for DHS out of the generosity of their kindly souls. I a pig's eye.
If DHS pays for it. It is the federal government doing the surveillance.Any judge who disagrees should be removed from the bench.

Posted by: SMOD at May 03, 2021 11:28 AM (RHGPo)

69 Basically, DHS is telling us they're going to use what big tech has already started.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at May 03, 2021 11:25 AM (2SdPm)
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I read it differently. I read it as "we're going to contract with a third party to have people (or bots) join private groups that aren't normally indexed in order to index them and feed data back to us." Big Tech could definitely do that now (they own the platforms and thus have the access to index them), but just using them to get the data isn't something I read out of this. It could be what they mean, though (big tech, however, might be reticent to do so without explicit indemnification, since those actions would probably be a technical violation of the terms of service).

Either approach amounts to largely the same thing, though.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2021 11:28 AM (Jsjd7)

70 I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that letting someone else do shit you can't do legally isn't admissible as evidence in court.

But, then again, the justice system is totally f'ked, so maybe it is.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 03, 2021 11:28 AM (xfb67)

71 12 How is this any different than hiring a hit man to whack your ex?

"Gee, officer, I didn't pull the trigger, so I'm innocent!"

This^^^

The DHS is legally forbidden from doing X, so they simply hire someone else to do it, and that is supposed to be OK?

Posted by: aawlberninf350 at May 03, 2021 11:28 AM (JcnFx)

72 So, we need to surveil "right-wing" terrorists (who broke a few Capitol windows) meanwhile, when jug-ears had Bin Laden in the cross-hairs Biden wanted to stand down. Dude does know he's the President of the United States, right?

Posted by: pahound at May 03, 2021 11:28 AM (PepC6)

73 We kinda knew this was coming. Biden knows he's an illegitimate president so he decided to go full tinpot dictator.

Camps may not be coming, but indefinite prison stays are.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 03, 2021 11:29 AM (XSRBF)

74 >>Outsourcing some information gathering to outside firms would give DHS the benefit of tactics that it isn't legally able to do in-house, such as using false personas to gain access to private groups used by suspected extremists, sources say.


old and busted: Bob from NSA commenting

new hotness: Borysko "Ben from Nebraska - these colors don't run y'all *winky emoji*" from Crowdstrike

Posted by: Lizzy at May 03, 2021 11:29 AM (bDqIh)

75 @38:

Correct. We would welcome Putin as a liberator at this point but he wouldn't touch this shitshiw with a 10-foot poll. There has been a deliberate decision made to force violence.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at May 03, 2021 11:29 AM (puu6v)

76 But, then again, the justice system is totally f'ked, so maybe it is.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 03, 2021 11:28 AM (xfb67)

There is no justice system, it's dead.

Posted by: CN at May 03, 2021 11:30 AM (ONvIw)

77 The DHS is legally forbidden from doing X, so they simply hire someone else to do it, and that is supposed to be OK?
Posted by: aawlberninf350 at May 03, 2021 11:28 AM (JcnFx)
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Not at all. If a concerned citizen wants to provide information about dangerous developments and tells us about it, that is always permitted. Requesting reasonable compensation for their efforts at citizen investigation is not unheard of.

Posted by: DHS at May 03, 2021 11:30 AM (Jsjd7)

78 Remember, it's not paranoia if they really are out to get you.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 03, 2021 11:30 AM (kTF2Z)

79 I saw that Maria Bartiromo went undercover to Biden's KKK (Biden's koncentration kamps for kids). She said they were packed in like sardines.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 03, 2021 11:31 AM (r+sAi)

80 Nothing new here, really. The alphabets have long farmed out tasks to contractors, so that there was no congressional oversight. CIA can't operate in the US? hire a contractor.. NSA can't surveille in the US? Hire a contractor. When Rumsfeld beefed up the DIA under, it wasn't all about foreign intel...

Posted by: Michael Christian at May 03, 2021 11:31 AM (nW//w)

81 I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that letting someone else do shit you can't do legally isn't admissible as evidence in court.

But, then again, the justice system is totally f'ked, so maybe it is.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 03, 2021 11:28 AM (xfb67)

Two sets of laws

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 03, 2021 11:31 AM (ifmtJ)

82 Pluck Biden.

Here is why you should stop supporting Hollywood.

https://www.youtube.com/

watch?v=5Wc4w_h85NU

Posted by: Corner Stone at May 03, 2021 11:31 AM (/B6Iw)

83 1 in 30 citizens were actively working for the Stasi.

1 in 3 citizens were under active targeting by the Stasi.

That's where we're heading fast.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 03, 2021 11:31 AM (OssQ4)

84 It's a kinder, gentler gulag.

Posted by: GWB at May 03, 2021 11:31 AM (TKmok)

85 Frankly, this smells like one HUGE distraction from something else they are doing

Posted by: SMOD at May 03, 2021 11:32 AM (RHGPo)

86 I read it differently. I read it as "we're going to contract with a third party to have people (or bots) join private groups that aren't normally indexed in order to index them and feed data back to us." Big Tech could definitely do that now (they own the platforms and thus have the access to index them), but just using them to get the data isn't something I read out of this. It could be what they mean, though (big tech, however, might be reticent to do so without explicit indemnification, since those actions would probably be a technical violation of the terms of service).

Either approach amounts to largely the same thing, though.
Posted by: Joe Mannix


IOW, it won't be the FBI joining the KKK, but a third party.

Same/same.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 03, 2021 11:32 AM (HqWIn)

87 70 I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that letting someone else do shit you can't do legally isn't admissible as evidence in court.

But, then again, the justice system is totally f'ked, so maybe it is.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 03, 2021 11:28 AM (xfb67)

Ah, but that is the beauty of what is going on. It will never get to court. It will be used to RAID you... and to pull a Flynn on you (pressure an untrue guilty plea bargain).

Hell, they have people from Jan 6 in jail and incommunicado.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 03, 2021 11:32 AM (oHd/0)

88 And of course we have Shrub to thank for DHS. 'Memba when most everyone on The Right thought it was a good idea to create that monstrosity? We were so sure it couldn't be used against us...

Posted by: Eat The Eloi at May 03, 2021 11:32 AM (V3EEC)

89 Let a trillion lawsuits against the Feds begin

Posted by: Corner Stone at May 03, 2021 11:32 AM (/B6Iw)

90 I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that letting someone else do shit you can't do legally isn't admissible as evidence in court.

But, then again, the justice system is totally f'ked, so maybe it is.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

I'm old enough to remember when Blackwater was a bad thing.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 03, 2021 11:33 AM (OssQ4)

91 89 Let a trillion lawsuits against the Feds begin
Posted by: Corner Stone at May 03, 2021 11:32 AM (/B6Iw)



"No standing. Times a trillion, sucker."

- - Cheap Justice Julia Roberts

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 03, 2021 11:33 AM (s2VJv)

92 For being the biggest threat to national security, those white supremacists sure are hard to find, aren't they?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 03, 2021 11:23 AM (kTF2Z)

Ask the IRS.

Posted by: BignJames at May 03, 2021 11:33 AM (AwYPR)

93 Eventually conservatives are going to just start disappearing, like in Germany and the Soviet Union.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 03, 2021 11:33 AM (XSRBF)

94 Thread very much related. Stick with it to the end to get the end game.

https://mobile.twitter.com/OrangePartisan/
status/1388322200336445440

1. In 2011, Muammar Gaddafi, the deposed leader of Libya, fled Tripoli after the capital fell to rebel NTC forces. He was soon located by the rebels with NATO's assistance, and pursued until he was captured. He was then beaten, sodomized with a bayonet, and shot several times...

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at May 03, 2021 11:33 AM (Oo9rt)

95 Hey Bob at NSA!
Hope all is well with you. I know it's been awhile but this damned virus.
Remember those great parties at B Group? Good times...good times.
Your pal,

Posted by: Diogenes at May 03, 2021 11:33 AM (axyOa)

96 I went to D.C. a few years ago. I was disappointed. Did get to visit the Wall and see two buddies names, oddly less than a meter apart. Other highlights were the Spirit of St.Louis and Yeager's X-1, The Lincoln Memorial, oh, and a Spad, I was having trouble getting around so that may have an impact.

Posted by: Javems at May 03, 2021 11:33 AM (8SSHh)

97 I would wager a guess that they would use legal and "gray area" methods to gather data, including hackers.

Mebbe even foreign governments sharing data collected here. We can't spy on Americans and Brits can't spy on Brits, but Brits can spy on Americans and share data with the feds, as a favor to an ally, what?

Know this: NeverTrumpers are crowing like the tiniest cocks ever seen, overplaying the impact they had on the election. Don't feed the trolls; that's what they are.

If the election results are to be believed it wasn't close enough for them to have made a difference.
If the election results are not to be believed, well then something besides them created this situation we are in.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 03, 2021 11:34 AM (z79tQ)

98 Isn't that just fantastic.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 03, 2021 11:34 AM (II3Gr)

99 @81:

Correct People need to move past thinking they live in anything other than an authoritarian police state

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at May 03, 2021 11:35 AM (puu6v)

100 >>1 in 30 citizens were actively working for the Stasi.

1 in 3 citizens were under active targeting by the Stasi.

That's where we're heading fast.
- - -

2021: 100% of people w/smartphones are under surveillance.

I would assume part of this 'farming out' would include datamining partnerships w/tech companies?

Google got into the national security business bigtime thanks to SoS Hillary.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 03, 2021 11:35 AM (bDqIh)

101 CI's may be a different issue. But if it can be proven that DHS was using these tactics to subvert the laws which keep them from gathering this information, they've got a problem. Doing that actually lends credence to any Fourth or Fifth Amendment claim somebody swept up in this political operation may have. This is government surveillance of political enemies no matter how you slice it.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 03, 2021 11:35 AM (CK0Ph)

102 >>>And of course we have Shrub to thank for DHS.


9-11. They went entirely overboard after that. DHS, Patriot Act, power grabs writ large.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 03, 2021 11:36 AM (XSRBF)

103 "The textbook definition of fascism is very specific but nobody seems to give a damn what it is any more."


true ... I like to call it "Communism" which also has a specific (Utopian) definition. But We the People have a history of disdain for (real world) communism. There is no textbook communism ... real world communism (China/Russia/Cuba) works like what Biden and DeepState are doing. A pretense of justice, but covert iron fist, steel boot as needed ... or sometimes open.


But "tyranny" works as well. "Real World Fascism" sorta, because of the BigGov/corporate element ... or "oligarchy", because it is a few trillionaire outfits (families/cartels/foundations or globalist outfits runnign things, not elected governments (Biden, Mitch, Pelosi ... mostly puppets serving their masters?).

Posted by: illiniwek at May 03, 2021 11:36 AM (Cus5s)

104 [NSA -REDACTED- NSA]

Vote harder, yea, that's the answer.

Posted by: IP at May 03, 2021 11:36 AM (pWrfh)

105 They could name this Operation Giant Squid.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 03, 2021 11:36 AM (RuqNP)

106 I have just realized what's causing me to stop being a multiple-times-a-day-since 9/11 loyal reader of Instapundit: Ed Driscoll.

Posted by: Oaf Toppic at May 03, 2021 11:36 AM (3++H4)

107 85 Frankly, this smells like one HUGE distraction from something else they are doing
Posted by: SMOD at May 03, 2021 11:32 AM (RHGPo)

I don't think so. The Chinese surveillance state was actively aided by the US corporations. So now the same corporations will make money here too. They expressed a little sorrow while PDT was still around, but all bets are off now. Thermo Fisher is chomping at the bit.

Posted by: CN at May 03, 2021 11:37 AM (ONvIw)

108 CI's may be a different issue. But if it can be proven that DHS was using these tactics to subvert the laws which keep them from gathering this information, they've got a problem. Doing that actually lends credence to any Fourth or Fifth Amendment claim somebody swept up in this political operation may have. This is government surveillance of political enemies no matter how you slice it.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 03, 2021 11:35 AM (CK0Ph)
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So? Why is this something that you think will matter?

Posted by: DOJ, SCOTUS, et. al. at May 03, 2021 11:37 AM (Jsjd7)

109 It's going to come down to total surrender, what they should have done- in the Stalin era quote in the thread below or Term Limits, as in the book.

Posted by: Fool Otto at May 03, 2021 11:37 AM (DB16e)

110 They say defund the police. I say defund the Feral government

Posted by: Sean O Hannity at May 03, 2021 11:37 AM (hskoB)

111 burn
scatter
salt
nuke
lather
rinse
repeat

Posted by: SturmToddler at May 03, 2021 11:37 AM (8D42x)

112 If you think no one is reading your DMs, you're a dope.

If you think no one is reading your emails, you're a dope.

At this point, you might be even a little bit credulous if you believe they're not steaming open your hand-written letters with the cute little "Forever" flag stamp in the top right of the envelope.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 03, 2021 11:37 AM (/EuRN)

113 There's so many opportunities for recruitment. House cleaning services. "Did you happen to dust a large safe"? Visiting nurses. "Does your client talk about who he voted for while you put on his ankle support socks?" There's an extra fifty a visit in it if you can just answer theses simple questions on a monthly basis.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at May 03, 2021 11:38 AM (I58tH)

114 what amazes me is that stories like this get no traction

Posted by: DB- just DB at May 03, 2021 11:38 AM (iTXRQ)

115 They say defund the police. I say defund the Feral government
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How can you defund the Federal government when they can literally print their own paychecks now? No taxes needed!

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at May 03, 2021 11:39 AM (ZIoLS)

116 Frankly, this smells like one HUGE distraction from something else they are doing
Posted by: SMOD


Kerry selling out the US and Israel.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 03, 2021 11:39 AM (HqWIn)

117 There's so many opportunities for recruitment. House cleaning services. "Did you happen to dust a large safe"? Visiting nurses. "Does your client talk about who he voted for while you put on his ankle support socks?" There's an extra fifty a visit in it if you can just answer theses simple questions on a monthly basis.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at May 03, 2021 11:38 AM (I58tH)
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Huh. So someone *did* read our playbook and put a Western spin on it.

Posted by: Stasi at May 03, 2021 11:39 AM (Jsjd7)

118 How can you defund the Federal government when they can literally print their own paychecks now? No taxes needed!
Posted by: Lord Squirrel


Then why the fuck are we still paying taxes?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 03, 2021 11:39 AM (HqWIn)

119 But private prisons are bad.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 03, 2021 11:40 AM (63Dwl)

120 There's so many opportunities for recruitment. House cleaning services. "Did you happen to dust a large safe"? Visiting nurses. "Does your client talk about who he voted for while you put on his ankle support socks?" There's an extra fifty a visit in it if you can just answer theses simple questions on a monthly basis.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at May 03, 2021 11:38 AM (I58tH)
------------

Creating informants is easy: Once inflation kicks in, and people are wondering how they're going to feed the family, well, that extra rice ration from the government looks pretty darn good.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at May 03, 2021 11:40 AM (2SdPm)

121 112 If you think no one is reading your DMs, you're a dope.

If you think no one is reading your emails, you're a dope.

At this point, you might be even a little bit credulous if you believe they're not steaming open your hand-written letters with the cute little "Forever" flag stamp in the top right of the envelope.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 03, 2021 11:37 AM (/EuRN)

Technically it's a machine reading and storing the emails. If they want to they can have a person read them.

No doubt they've got UPS doing some sort of filtering though who knows what criteria they're using.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at May 03, 2021 11:40 AM (z5Vrg)

122 Corporate Amerikka is lit as fuck over this.
The media is lit as fuck over this.
Congress is lit as fuck over this.

The rest of us are just plain fucked.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 03, 2021 11:40 AM (3H9h1)

123 Let's be perfectly clear, the fascist state already directs facebook, google, youtube and twitter to do its bidding. Everybody is being spied upon 24/7.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 03, 2021 11:40 AM (r+sAi)

124 @93:

That's the more likely scenario. The Zombie United States likes to project a false image of decency abroad. So most things, such as making people disappear, will be by stealth. They also have sufficient propaganda and castrated opposition that they can force violence Whelen necessary and successfully blame the victims.

Our ability to travel abroad and speak to foreigners also is about to be greatly curtailed.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at May 03, 2021 11:40 AM (puu6v)

125 Then why the fuck are we still paying taxes?
Posted by: rickb223

Revenue has not been the point of fed taxes for some time now.

Posted by: Tonypete at May 03, 2021 11:41 AM (Rvt88)

126 118 How can you defund the Federal government when they can literally print their own paychecks now? No taxes needed!
Posted by: Lord Squirrel


Then why the fuck are we still paying taxes?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 03, 2021 11:39 AM (HqWIn)

Because you gotta pay your fair share. And his. And hers. And that guy's over there. And...

Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 03, 2021 11:41 AM (/EuRN)

127 122 Corporate America is already licking its chops over the monetary potential.

Posted by: CN at May 03, 2021 11:41 AM (ONvIw)

128 117 Before inflation really kicks in, buy reel to reel Grundig tape recorders. They will be in demand.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at May 03, 2021 11:42 AM (I58tH)

129 115 They say defund the police. I say defund the Feral government
----
How can you defund the Federal government when they can literally print their own paychecks now? No taxes needed!
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at May 03, 2021 11:39 AM (ZIoLS)

Barter and/or using different currencies. USD being trash paper would be a pretty effective means of defunding.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at May 03, 2021 11:42 AM (z5Vrg)

130 Its really comforting to know we've gone from wondering if we're paranoid to wondering if we're paranoid enough.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at May 03, 2021 11:42 AM (2SdPm)

131 So, illegitimate president decides to illegitimately surveil Americans. It's not like criminals change their spots. They will commit crime (in this case, basically breaking the rules to get around laws) over and over. It's their nature. And now, these people have the wind at their sails and not a living soul able to stop them.

Posted by: Lady in Black at May 03, 2021 11:42 AM (O+I8R)

132 This is government surveillance of political enemies no matter how you slice it.

Yea, well what's anyone gonna do about it. Fighting it in the courts pretty much require it to happen first, and will take years to settle.
Every day the rubber band pulls a little tighter, will pull back or will it snap altogether, or does it stretch a little bit more. Who knows.

I don't see anything going on forever but this could be one of those defining moments that shifts the whole country left for a very long time. Just need a few egregious violations to prove it works for a social benefit.

Posted by: IP at May 03, 2021 11:43 AM (pWrfh)

133 I think one of the biggest impediments to our side not being able to effectively resist any of this, to the complaints on here about Americans not fighting back, is the absence of leadership. We have no one in the public eye to focus and channel our numbers and anger. The closest we ever got were the Trump rallies.

Of course, one problem any such public figure will have is that they will be severely persecuted by the Left and their panoply of institutions.

Posted by: president kg at May 03, 2021 11:43 AM (9npt1)

134 They say defund the police. I say defund the Feral government
Posted by: Sean O Hannity at May 03, 2021 11:37 AM (hskoB)

They have a weaponized IRS and a money printer.

No, it'll have to all collapse before it can be rebuilt.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 03, 2021 11:43 AM (ifmtJ)

135 extremist groups such as the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers.

***

Some other moron has already mentioned that the leader of the Oathkeepers was/is an FBI Section Chief and the leader of the Proud Boys was/is an FBI/Government informant, right?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Important article about what's coming at May 03, 2021 11:44 AM (Kt1w/)

136 >Then why the fuck are we still paying taxes?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 03, 2021 11:39 AM (HqWIn)

The tax code is a vehicle used to punish enemies and reward friends.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 03, 2021 11:44 AM (DXFDM)

137 Obama was pretty close to a textbook fascist.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a Lynchian nightmare at May 03, 2021 11:27 AM (LvTSG)

Yes and the textbook was Heather Has Two Mommies

Posted by: ... at May 03, 2021 11:44 AM (f3SGf)

138 I very rarely mention politics in my e-mail. I don't in text messages. I don't know how to do DM and have never done so. The only person who cleans my house is me. No doubt they're monitoring various sites, but if they want to harass and throw in jail an old pastor of a small church there's not much I can do. I am not advocating violent overthrow of the government, so "Mr FBI man" watching me is a waste of your time.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2021 11:44 AM (7hF2c)

139 Then why the fuck are we still paying taxes?
Posted by: rickb223

Taxes can only be paid with Fed Reserve dollars. We're paying them with the money they printed and devalued. Devaluing currency is a tax not passed by Congress. We fought a Revolution for less.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 03, 2021 11:44 AM (1ISKN)

140 Wowza. Some serious rain is blowing through. Weather Underground indicated 80% chance of precip with 0.05" total coming down today. They were ... wildly off.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2021 11:44 AM (Jsjd7)

141 133 I think one of the biggest impediments to our side not being able to effectively resist any of this, to the complaints on here about Americans not fighting back, is the absence of leadership. We have no one in the public eye to focus and channel our numbers and anger. The closest we ever got were the Trump rallies.

Of course, one problem any such public figure will have is that they will be severely persecuted by the Left and their panoply of institutions.
Posted by: president kg at May 03, 2021 11:43 AM (9npt1)

Which is why what they're doing is the fundamentals of maintaining control. You don't need detailed monitoring of everyone, you just need detailed monitoring and intimidation of any potential leadership.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at May 03, 2021 11:44 AM (z5Vrg)

142 138: I'm sure they're monitoring us.

Posted by: CN at May 03, 2021 11:45 AM (ONvIw)

143 Then why the fuck are we still paying taxes?
Posted by: rickb223

Revenue has not been the point of fed taxes for some time now.
Posted by: Tonypete at May 03, 2021 11:41 AM (Rvt8

Truth. It's control. But they DO so love your money and they will take everything you have if you try and stint them on their 'fair share'.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 03, 2021 11:45 AM (ifmtJ)

144 what amazes me is that stories like this get no traction

--

And here again, imagine if this were the Trump Administration doing this.

Posted by: Lady in Black at May 03, 2021 11:45 AM (O+I8R)

145 >wondering if we're paranoid enough.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at May 03, 2021 11:42 AM (2SdPm)

Ah, just like the dirty cop from Strange Days said.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 03, 2021 11:45 AM (DXFDM)

146 Frankly, this smells like one HUGE distraction from something else they are doing
Posted by: SMOD

Oh yeah for sure. Look at what they did while they had everyone talking about Obamascare for 2 years. They were busy weaponizing all the agencies.

Posted by: ... at May 03, 2021 11:46 AM (f3SGf)

147 " letting someone else do shit you can't do legally isn't admissible as evidence in court."


they can use illegal info from constant NSA surveillance on everything, and then (per Bill Binney, who created much of that spy ability) they have to do a parallel reconstruction to find evidence of those "facts" by means they can use in court. ...


Supposedly that would mean they actually have to have real evidence ... BUT, as with Flynn and others, trhey can use the illegal surveillance to frame someone (as with Flynn, Trump, others). And since they can imprison or sideline or bankrupt someone with faked crimes, they don't need to actually have a crime ... the process alone destroys the person. (so now all they need is to find the real rebels by illegal means, any one successful at counter narratives gets attacked (True the Vote woman attacked by five agencies for the crime of trying to "true the vote")

Posted by: illiniwek at May 03, 2021 11:46 AM (Cus5s)

148 200mph trains. Derp. Charlottesville. Florida to Tampa. Derp.

Posted by: wth at May 03, 2021 11:46 AM (v0R5T)

149 138 I very rarely mention politics in my e-mail. I don't in text messages. I don't know how to do DM and have never done so. The only person who cleans my house is me. No doubt they're monitoring various sites, but if they want to harass and throw in jail an old pastor of a small church there's not much I can do. I am not advocating violent overthrow of the government, so "Mr FBI man" watching me is a waste of your time.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2021 11:44 AM (7hF2c)

Monitoring wouldn't be a good use of resources, but they will want to get rid of any unapproved priests and pastors. The USSR's anti-religious campaign as an example.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at May 03, 2021 11:46 AM (z5Vrg)

150 The CCP does this very well.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 03, 2021 11:47 AM (yrol0)

151 Then why the fuck are we still paying taxes?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 03, 2021 11:39 AM (HqWIn)
++++
Because the government actually functions on bonds, and taxation makes the bond issues legitimate. In the absence of taxation, everyone buying a bond would have to acknowledge that the money isn't real - transfer their real capital for synthetic chits in the future. That would remove liquidity - all of it, all at once - from the bond market and everything tied to the treasury bills and bonds (which is, basically, everything). The printed money is laundered through the bond market. Eliminating that laundromat would tank everything all at once.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2021 11:47 AM (Jsjd7)

152 Remember when we all thought 9/11 was bad because 3000 Americans were killed by Muslims?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Important article about what's coming at May 03, 2021 11:47 AM (Kt1w/)

153 Illegal and illegitimate spying on the President and his lawyers. Political prisoners held incommunicado and without trial. An American citizen slaughtered during a legitimate protest by a federal agent, who has gone unnamed.

When will Republican leaders even mention these facts in public? They are obviously afraid of what the FBI/DOJ/CIA will do to them.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 03, 2021 11:47 AM (Zny85)

154 Posted by: CN at May 03, 2021 11:45 AM (ONvIw)

Monitoring me must be a boring job. I don't do FB or post on Twitter.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2021 11:48 AM (7hF2c)

155
Hell, they've been doing this shit for decades. A lot of it by outsourcing domestic surveillance to the fucking poofter Limeys.

Plus, all of those ops where they infiltrated an undercover narc into some loudmouth, but nominally peaceful organization, where he immediately starts talking about bombs and how he knows a guy who can get explosives... Which ends with no-knock raids on everyone, including the one idiot who responded that "yeah, bombs would be a great idea!", implicating everyone else. I suspect that they don't bother with a warrant to do that kind of rat-fuckery.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 03, 2021 11:48 AM (n+4am)

156 Joy Behar, being racist again to a black man should be in Biden's prison.

https://youtu.be/

cOtoyrA7iHw

Posted by: Corner Stone at May 03, 2021 11:48 AM (/B6Iw)

157 Because you gotta pay your fair share. And his. And hers. And that guy's over there. And...
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 03, 2021 11:41 AM (/EuRN)
.......

Fair Share is Infrastructure.

Posted by: wth at May 03, 2021 11:48 AM (v0R5T)

158 When Christopher Wray was a boy did he daydream about being the head of the KGB?

Posted by: Northern lurker at May 03, 2021 11:48 AM (cSyAR)

159
Joy Behar is infrastructure.

Posted by: Archer at May 03, 2021 11:49 AM (gmo/4)

160 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 03, 2021 11:49 AM (Zz0t1)

161 As an aside, does anybody believe that the deep state ever stopped spying on Trump to this day?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 03, 2021 11:49 AM (r+sAi)

162 158 When Christopher Wray was a boy did he daydream about being the head of the KGB?
Posted by: Northern lurker at May 03, 2021 11:48 AM (cSyAR)

Yes. Next question?

Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 03, 2021 11:49 AM (jvt6t)

163 When will Republican leaders even mention these facts in public? They are obviously afraid of what the FBI/DOJ/CIA will do to them.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 03, 2021 11:47 AM (Zny85)

You give them too much credit. The GOP was clearly in on it from day one. I was shocked when Trump "lost", they showed not one iota of surprise.

Posted by: CN at May 03, 2021 11:49 AM (ONvIw)

164 It's "Teacher Appreciation Week"...in case you didn't know.

Posted by: BignJames at May 03, 2021 11:49 AM (AwYPR)

165 Infrastructure is not infrastructure.

Posted by: ... at May 03, 2021 11:49 AM (f3SGf)

166 It's fine because Biden is spying on the correct people.

You can't monitor the corrupt, anti-American left. You can violate the rights of conservatives all day long.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 03, 2021 11:49 AM (Zz0t1)

167 For being the biggest threat to national security, those white supremacists sure are hard to find, aren't they?
Posted by: Duke Lowell


DUDE!

They're EVERYWHERE! Look in the mirror. I did this morning and saw one. Right behind me!
It's scary. Lemmee tell you!

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at May 03, 2021 11:50 AM (vcOmj)

168 158 When Christopher Wray was a young boy, he dreamed of being the head of the KGB's mistress.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at May 03, 2021 11:50 AM (I58tH)

169 162 158 When Christopher Wray was a boy did he daydream about being the head of the KGB?
Posted by: Northern lurker at May 03, 2021 11:48 AM (cSyAR)

Yes. Next question?
Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 03, 2021 11:49 AM (jvt6t)

The judges would have also accepts East German Stazi.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 03, 2021 11:50 AM (yrol0)

170 Biden Considers Evading Limits on Surveilling Citizens By Farming Spying Operations Out to Third Parties Who Are Less Regulated

This is just saying out loud what they've been doing since spy agencies demanded private telegraph companies provide them a copy of every telegraph sent.

See also the "Five Eyes" agreement (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States) all spying on each other's people and handing over the product of that spying. NSA can't legally spy on us directly, but it's totes cool for Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the UK spy agencies to spy on us and hand over that spy product to NSA. LEGALISM!

Posted by: bonhomme at May 03, 2021 11:50 AM (i0wNm)

171
Monitoring me must be a boring job. I don't do FB or post on Twitter.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2021 11:48 AM (7hF2c)

Maybe, but I was suggesting they read this site. And probably hack it

Posted by: CN at May 03, 2021 11:50 AM (ONvIw)

172 #159

Oh she is a troll bridge then

Posted by: Corner Stone at May 03, 2021 11:50 AM (/B6Iw)

173 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 03, 2021 11:48 AM (n+4am)

Remember the HUGE conspiracy to kidnap Gov. Whitmer by White Supremicists? Yeah, FBI Op where they baited a guy with serious known mental problems.

Its now coming out in court.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 03, 2021 11:50 AM (oHd/0)

174 When did the Biden administration hire W.C. Fields? https://tinyurl.com/3ay3beh3

Posted by: pep at May 03, 2021 11:50 AM (v16oJ)

175 We have without a doubt a hostile occupational government now. The HOG.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 03, 2021 11:50 AM (II3Gr)

176 165 Infrastructure is not infrastructure.
Posted by: ... at May 03, 2021 11:49 AM (f3SGf)

Shovel ready jobs takes on a whole new creepy connotation today doesn't it?

Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 03, 2021 11:51 AM (jvt6t)

177 @153

Dude, they all work for GovCorp, A Uniparty family of Polical Conglomerations and Bad Actors.


Everyone is either angling for the corner office or keeping their head down so as to avoid Lumberg and getting out of dodge without going to FPMITAP.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 03, 2021 11:51 AM (TRWf+)

178 Shovel ready jobs takes on a whole new creepy connotation today doesn't it?
Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 03, 2021 11:51 AM (jvt6t)

Seriously

Posted by: ... at May 03, 2021 11:51 AM (f3SGf)

179
Can't China do it for Biden?

The price would be a bargain, and

They already more or less run the gov't.

Why not the Dept of Homeland Security?

I call this a win-win.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 03, 2021 11:51 AM (EERbD)

180 RIP Bobby Unser

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 03, 2021 11:51 AM (yrol0)

181 Proud Boys and Oath Keepers.

NEVER any mention of ACTUAL terrorist groups like BLoMe or pAntifa.

This country has gone to the shitter......We're doomed.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 03, 2021 11:52 AM (Zz0t1)

182 Maybe the DHS can start farming out citizen interrogations to despotic third world countries. Why stop at half measures.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at May 03, 2021 11:52 AM (xnN7n)

183 When Christopher Wray was a boy did he daydream about being the head of the KGB?
Posted by: Northern lurker

No one knows what it's like
To be the bad man
To be the sad man
Behind the curtains...

Posted by: James Comey, the tall guy behind the curtains at May 03, 2021 11:52 AM (vcOmj)

184 Those third parties to whom the government is outsourcing the surveillance?Are just becoming agents for the government, and as such would be equally legally restricted by Constitutional limitations as the government. But maybe without the liability shield?

But since we know the government are all liars and thieves and cheats, and violate the Constitution at the drop of a hat ...
Why go to the trouble of interposing a third party? Or do they intend to create so many layers and empty shell entities that it becomes too hard to track back to them?
But the media is in their pocket, so why would they care if it gets tracked back? The story will be buried and memory-holed in short order.
Face it, they are going to do whatever they want. Whenever they want. Wherever they want.

The philosophical concept of the United States as a representative democracy (republic) run by the voters lives only in the minds of a few citizens. For any practical interaction with our government, it's DOA.

Posted by: ruralcounsel at May 03, 2021 11:53 AM (96wFa)

185 Maybe, but I was suggesting they read this site. And probably hack itPosted by: CN at May 03, 2021 11:50 AM (ONvIw)

I hope they enjoy my cute animal pictures, stories about kindly people and religious devotional links.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2021 11:53 AM (7hF2c)

186 Remember how the Libertarians and Democrats were screeching about how the Patriot Act could be misused to spy on Americans?

Good times.

The lesson to be learned is twofold: first, never grant yourself sweeping powers that you wouldn't want the opposition to have, and second, if the opposition tells you how they will abuse these sweeping powers...believe them.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, Wild West Pimp Style at May 03, 2021 11:53 AM (CcOog)

187 RIP Bobby Unser
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 03, 2021 11:51 AM (yrol0)



Ooof. Really? Sad..... Sr. right?

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 03, 2021 11:53 AM (Zz0t1)

188 It's "Teacher Appreciation Week"...in case you didn't know.
Posted by: BignJames at May 03, 2021 11:49 AM (AwYPR)

--------

I'd appreciate it if they'd do their fucking jobs.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 03, 2021 11:53 AM (kTF2Z)

189
Shovel ready jobs takes on a whole new creepy connotation today doesn't it?
Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 03, 2021 11:51 AM (jvt6t)


Hey, gigantic mass graves won't just dig themselves y'know.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 03, 2021 11:53 AM (n+4am)

190 181 Proud Boys and Oath Keepers.

NEVER any mention of ACTUAL terrorist groups like BLoMe or pAntifa.

This country has gone to the shitter......We're doomed.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 03, 2021 11:52 AM (Zz0t1)

Well, I would say that any group that Vows to uphold the actual Constitution could be a threat to the current regime.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 03, 2021 11:53 AM (oHd/0)

191 rain/snow mix here

Lotta rain last couple days. Is this the climate emergency?

EVERYBODY TO GET FROM STREET

Posted by: DB- just DB at May 03, 2021 11:54 AM (iTXRQ)

192 RIP Bobby Unser

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 03, 2021 11:51 AM (yrol0)

You should check out his encounter w/the Feds.

Posted by: BignJames at May 03, 2021 11:54 AM (AwYPR)

193 There is no justice system, it's dead.
Posted by: CN at May 03, 2021 11:30 AM (ONvIw)

But, my what a lovely skin suit it's wearing!

Posted by: Just Lily. Thread-Winner Elect at May 03, 2021 11:54 AM (9XkW3)

194 So, the rest of conservative America can look forward to piss dossiers? I mean, that's what happened the last time something was 'outsourced,' right?

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 03, 2021 11:54 AM (Zz0t1)

195 Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE MITT ROMNEY at May 03, 2021 11:53 AM (Pzzpr)

BOOOOO!! You're used to hearing that, right?

Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 03, 2021 11:54 AM (jvt6t)

196 Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE MITT ROMNEY at May 03, 2021 11:53 AM (Pzzpr)

You DICK!!!!

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at May 03, 2021 11:54 AM (Zz0t1)

197
Well, I would say that any group that Vows to uphold the actual Constitution could be a threat to the current regime.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 03, 2021 11:53 AM (oHd/0)

In theory the Feds all do this, and they are the regime.

Posted by: CN at May 03, 2021 11:55 AM (ONvIw)

198 Hey, gigantic mass graves won't just dig themselves y'know.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur

Tanned, rested, and ready!

Posted by: Woodchippers at May 03, 2021 11:55 AM (v16oJ)

199 The judges would have also accepts East German Stazi.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 03, 2021 11:50 AM (yrol0)


Back in the Cold War, I was stationed in West Germany. I'd go to Oktoberfest every Fall and it was fantastic! I used to wonder what Erich Honecker used to think of it? He could see millions of people from all over the world come to West Germany and have a wonderful time and there he sat in East Berlin giving beejers to his Soviet masters.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 03, 2021 11:55 AM (axyOa)

200 The lesson to be learned is twofold: first, never grant yourself sweeping powers that you wouldn't want the opposition to have, and second, if the opposition tells you how they will abuse these sweeping powers...believe them.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, Wild West Pimp Style at May 03, 2021 11:53 AM (CcOog)

The worst thing the Patriot Act did was pull all intel, and then Fed Police powers, under one umbrella.

Before, we could send the DIA to spy on the CIA, or vice versa. Or send Federal Marshalls to arrest FBI.

Now? They all work for the same shadowy organization.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 03, 2021 11:55 AM (oHd/0)

201 @153:

That's the tell. GOL senators and MoC's realize the United States is an abject police state and opposition is futile. Even if most were not cowardly grifters, they would know opposition at this point is futile. If this is to be beaten back, it will require actions most of us find reprehensible and, no, it won't come from folks polishing their unused firearms and muttering about Muh Constitution.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at May 03, 2021 11:56 AM (puu6v)

202 But I just a TV news person read a white house press release and all the money is going for roads, bridges and the like. They are even going to tear down a racist interstate exchange in New Orleans.

Posted by: Javems at May 03, 2021 11:56 AM (8SSHh)

203 Read Kevin McCarthy's "Peeler" novel, set in 1919 Ireland, an underground IRA up against a militarized national police force.

Try and imagine it today, trying to go up against an FBI all bulked up with tanks, air power, cyber strength, and more.

You've got your handguns, a paltry supply of ammo, maybe some good elk rifles, but what are you gonna do?

We've lost. These militarized 3 a.m. arrests are meant to tell us that.

Who do you know that would even think of joining you in any kind of resistance?

Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 03, 2021 11:56 AM (D8OwC)

204 Well, I would say that any group that Vows to uphold the actual Constitution could be a threat to the current regime.

As a Legionnaire I know how this story goes. I'm friends with the Natl Commander that went to DC to undo the *** from the last time we veterans were labeled unstable and insurrectionist.

Posted by: IP at May 03, 2021 11:56 AM (pWrfh)

205 Jesse Kelly has a wakeup call for traditional conservatives who aren't aware of or are in denial of the situation we're in.

REMINDER: You cannot laissez-faire your way out of the mess we're in. If you wanted to "live and let live", you shouldn't have let the people who hate you take over everything.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 03, 2021 11:56 AM (i0wNm)

206 202 The lesson to be learned is twofold: first, never grant yourself sweeping powers that you wouldn't want the opposition to have, and second, if the opposition tells you how they will abuse these sweeping powers...believe them.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, Wild West Pimp Style at May 03, 2021 11:53 AM (CcOog)

The worst thing the Patriot Act did was pull all intel, and then Fed Police powers, under one umbrella.

Before, we could send the DIA to spy on the CIA, or vice versa. Or send Federal Marshalls to arrest FBI.

Now? They all work for the same shadowy organization.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 03, 2021 11:55 AM (oHd/0)

Whatever they're accusing you of doing, that's what they're doing right now. (Or will be doing imminently.)

Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 03, 2021 11:56 AM (/EuRN)

207 Now? They all work for the same shadowy organization.
From what I'm told, DHS is a colossal CF, and a miserable place to work. I'm surprised they can turn the lights on.

Posted by: pep at May 03, 2021 11:57 AM (v16oJ)

208 #188

You mean molesting children
And pimping for the FBI?

Epstein got college visitor passes too remember.

Posted by: Corner Stone at May 03, 2021 11:57 AM (/B6Iw)

209 Somebody better rip the blindfold off of Lady Justice. She's no longer able to depict a "blind" American system of justice.

Posted by: Lady in Black at May 03, 2021 11:57 AM (O+I8R)

210 rain/snow mix here

Lotta rain last couple days. Is this the climate emergency?

EVERYBODY TO GET FROM STREET
Posted by: DB- just DB at May 03, 2021 11:54 AM (iTXRQ)

Will be 90 here today... no rain at all during the month of April.

Calif is going to have a drought this summer.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 03, 2021 11:57 AM (oHd/0)

211 Well, I would say that any group that Vows to uphold the actual Constitution could be a threat to the current regime.
Posted by: Romeo13

The Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, continue to be revolutionary documents in the history of man. And recall that Joe Mugwump Biden himself said that none of the rights in the Consitution were "absolute".

Ponder now, where we all stand here.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at May 03, 2021 11:57 AM (vcOmj)

212 Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 03, 2021 11:56 AM (D8OwC)

You Americans are so stupid and lazy.

Posted by: Viet Cong at May 03, 2021 11:57 AM (jvt6t)

213

Ooof. Really? Sad..... Sr. right?
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 03, 2021 11:53 AM (Zz0t1)


Bobby Unser.....Uncle of Al Unser Jr.....

My bad.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 03, 2021 11:57 AM (Zz0t1)

214 I hope they enjoy my cute animal pictures, stories about kindly people and religious devotional links.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2021 11:53 AM (7hF2c)
++++
The first one's okay. The second one is borderline and contextual. The third one is always antisocial wrecker behavior.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2021 11:58 AM (Jsjd7)

215 Monitoring wouldn't be a good use of resources, but they will want to get rid of any unapproved priests and pastors. The USSR's anti-religious campaign as an example.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy

Plenty of US Priests are already getting beaten up verbally/social media wise. Fr. Altman out of Wisc. for example. There're plenty more.

Posted by: Tonypete at May 03, 2021 11:58 AM (Rvt88)

216 Somebody better rip the blindfold off of Lady Justice. She's no longer able to depict a "blind" American system of justice.
Posted by: Lady in Black at May 03, 2021 11:57 AM (O+

Replace the blindfold with binoculars.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 03, 2021 11:58 AM (cSyAR)

217 Replace the blindfold with binoculars. And a probe.

Posted by: pep at May 03, 2021 11:59 AM (v16oJ)

218 Jesse Kelly has a wakeup call for traditional conservatives who aren't aware of or are in denial of the situation we're in.

REMINDER: You cannot laissez-faire your way out of the mess we're in. If you wanted to "live and let live", you shouldn't have let the people who hate you take over everything.

--

I still think there are millions of regular, normal Americans who are still of the firm belief that "it can't happen here." Not in America. They're very wrong.

Posted by: Lady in Black at May 03, 2021 11:59 AM (O+I8R)

219 218 Somebody better rip the blindfold off of Lady Justice. She's no longer able to depict a "blind" American system of justice.
Posted by: Lady in Black at May 03, 2021 11:57 AM (O+

Replace the blindfold with binoculars.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 03, 2021 11:58 AM (cSyAR)

And put a a big ol' marble thumb on one side of the scales.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 03, 2021 11:59 AM (/EuRN)

220
Will be 90 here today... no rain at all during the month of April.

Calif is going to have a drought this summer.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 03, 2021 11:57 AM (oHd/0)


What? That NEVER happens.

We're all going to die.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 03, 2021 11:59 AM (Zz0t1)

221 The United States pretty much won WW2 with Army Intelligence, Naval Intelligence, the OSS as a paramilitary organization, and the FBI back when they wore hats and carried .38s. I'm pretty sure the Department of Agriculture has an intel and SWAT unit, and the DC Aqueduct Police are arming up.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at May 03, 2021 11:59 AM (I58tH)

222
RIP Bobby Unser

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 03, 2021 11:51 AM


another grim milestone for the biden administration

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 03, 2021 12:00 PM (DUIap)

223 Hey there fellow patriots! Anyone interested in storming the Capitol on July 4, the most patriotic day?

Posted by: Totally Not A DHS informant at May 03, 2021 12:00 PM (TYK6D)

224 I still think there are millions of regular, normal Americans who are still of the firm belief that "it can't happen here." Not in America. They're very wrong.
Posted by: Lady in Black at May 03, 2021 11:59 AM (O+I8R)
++++
They are indeed. It can happen here. The course of recent events over the past decade (or two) increasingly indicates that it *will.*

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2021 12:01 PM (Jsjd7)

225 Calif is going to have a drought this summer.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 03, 2021 11:57 AM (oHd/0)


Hmmmm.....squeeze 40 million people into an arid desert, not build any new dams or reservoirs, break the ones that do exist for salmon bullshit....good luck with that Cali.

Posted by: Viet Cong at May 03, 2021 12:01 PM (jvt6t)

226 Off insurgent sock

Posted by: Jal Sucio at May 03, 2021 12:01 PM (jvt6t)

227 Probably already been said, but let's farm it out cheap to the ChiComms -- and make sure the "big guy" gets his 10%

/

Posted by: ShainS at May 03, 2021 12:02 PM (/z9fK)

228 Hey, Patriot! I am totally down for storming the Capitol on Independence Day! We need to be free from that Commie Biden! LOL! But we need more patriots!

Posted by: Totally Not An Accomplice DHS informant at May 03, 2021 12:02 PM (TYK6D)

229 >>Monitoring me must be a boring job. I don't do FB or post on Twitter.


Reminder: they are not monitoring you, individual, they are monitoring narrative trends and networks. They may not be interested in silencing you in particular, Fen, but they may decide that AoSHQ is perpetuating narratives that have reach. https://tinyurl.com/4y3rjfzy

For those who don't know what this means, it means that the administration is able to draw a graph (like a network chart) of who is talking to whom. It is able to say what are the key nodes through which any business passes, find all its Internet 'friends' and interlocutors and potentially drill down into the comms themselves -- in time series. . .

The fact that you belong to a large group, for example the 50% of the US population that is conservative or Republican, does not give you safety in numbers. Within this large group of millions are a much smaller number of key leadership nodes. They are the nodes that matter, the top of the hierarchy mandated by Dunbar's Number.

If you can control, corrupt or even bait those nodes you can reduce the entire group to impotence. You can effectively decapitate it. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at May 03, 2021 12:02 PM (bDqIh)

230 Calif is going to have a drought this summer.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 03, 2021 11:57 AM (oHd/0)
++++
It's a good thing I got finished and that continued planning for additional phases is always underway. That was a really solid move.

Oh, wait...

Posted by: California Water Project at May 03, 2021 12:02 PM (Jsjd7)

231 Totally off topic but I saw a documentary last night about something called The Goliath Bird Eating Spider which is so big you can hear it walking.
Nobody tell AtC about it.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 03, 2021 12:02 PM (cSyAR)

232 #222

Don't worry.

The giant tidal waves will wet things up.

Posted by: Corner Stone at May 03, 2021 12:03 PM (/B6Iw)

233 Calif is going to have a drought this summer.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 03, 2021 11:57 AM (oHd/0)
........

Gonna be a lot of thirsty Mexicans. And Hondurans. And Guatemalans.

Posted by: wth at May 03, 2021 12:03 PM (v0R5T)

234 Verizon selling AOL and YAHOO.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 03, 2021 12:03 PM (63Dwl)

235 Hmmmm.....squeeze 40 million people into an arid desert, not build any new dams or reservoirs, break the ones that do exist for salmon bullshit....good luck with that Cali.
Posted by: Viet Cong at May 03, 2021 12:01 PM (jvt6t)

...

They already don't grow much in the San Fernando valley anymore.

All our produce coming from Mexico and Central America should be considered a national security crisis but nobody cares.

Posted by: TexasDan at May 03, 2021 12:03 PM (yL25O)

236 If you can control, corrupt or even bait those nodes you can reduce the entire group to impotence. You can effectively decapitate it. . .
Posted by: Lizzy at May 03, 2021 12:02 PM (bDqIh)

I've never really thought of Fen as a node before...

Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 03, 2021 12:03 PM (/EuRN)

237 Send $5, $10 or $25 to us here at the RNC NOW and we'll MATCH it 3x!!

Help us FIGHT the EVIL LEFT and their TYRANNY!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 03, 2021 12:03 PM (Zz0t1)

238 Yes! We need as many as possible to overthrow this communist government! Everyone interested should email their name and address to:
CapitolStorm@dhs.gov

Posted by: Totally Not A DHS informant at May 03, 2021 12:04 PM (TYK6D)

239 Bobby Unser...just a reminder.

https://tinyurl.com/uxjab8vn

Posted by: BignJames at May 03, 2021 12:04 PM (AwYPR)

240 Hey there fellow patriots! Anyone interested in storming the Capitol on July 4, the most patriotic day?
Dear Mr. TNADI,What do you think of the manhood of people who don't participate? Are they gay or bisexual?

Posted by: pep at May 03, 2021 12:04 PM (v16oJ)

241 It must be Monday. Time to get shit done while I'm still allowed to.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 03, 2021 12:04 PM (jvt6t)

242 Are there no Democrats saying "this is not who we are "?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 03, 2021 12:04 PM (cSyAR)

243 4-term President-for-Life Ogabe used "contractors" to spy on political opponents in the NSA database.

Now the Obama Syndicate is using corporations to enforce mandatory vaccines. And lobby for vote fraud.

Corporations are also doing the political censorship and medical free speech violations forbidden to the State.

Meanwhile, the State runs legal interference for the Corporations.

It's the Perfect Circle of Corporate/State Fascism: "I'll do your crime--if you do mine!"

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at May 03, 2021 12:04 PM (Ndje9)

244 Who do you know that would even think of joining you in any kind of resistance?

:::Golf clap:::
Nice Try "Bob from the NSA"...

Posted by: IP at May 03, 2021 12:05 PM (pWrfh)

245 Posted by: Totally Not An Accomplice DHS informant at May 03, 2021 12:02 PM (TYK6D)

I suspected the chick who kept wanting people to get together and "do something now" was a plant.

Posted by: CN at May 03, 2021 12:05 PM (ONvIw)

246 New primary doctor never even asked me about the vaccine. I think that's so amazing.

Posted by: ... at May 03, 2021 12:05 PM (f3SGf)

247 They already don't grow much in the San Fernando valley anymore.

All our produce coming from Mexico and Central America should be considered a national security crisis but nobody cares.
Posted by: TexasDan at May 03, 2021 12:03 PM (yL25O)
++++
And what's funny about that (though not "ha-ha funny") is how fiercely protective California is of its agriculture. It's the only state I've ever driven into that has a border checkpoint and border guards to quiz you about foreign (out of state) produce. I got into a fight about it and drove through - it's flatly illegal - but they have that system in place.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2021 12:05 PM (Jsjd7)

248 It's the Perfect Circle of Corporate/State Fascism: "I'll do your crime--if you do mine!"
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at May 03, 2021 12:04 PM (Ndje9)

Like "Strangers on a Train!" Criss-Cross! Criss-Cross!!!!!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 03, 2021 12:05 PM (/EuRN)

249 >The Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, continue to be revolutionary documents in the history of man.



they were
Now they're just interesting handwriting samples from 18th century "America"

Posted by: DB- just DB at May 03, 2021 12:05 PM (iTXRQ)

250 >>Hey, Patriot! I am totally down for storming the Capitol on Independence Day! We need to be free from that Commie Biden! LOL! But we need more patriots!
Posted by: Totally Not An Accomplice DHS informant


Heh. The thing is, we've had comments like that here in the past few months -- the "come on, it's time to act, you guyz!!!" stuff that stinks with eau du fedpost.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 03, 2021 12:05 PM (bDqIh)

251 I was wrong that the SBA's site would crash under all the applicants for the Restaurant Revitalization money.

It took me 13 minutes to complete the forms that they estimated would take 20 minutes. Now in the que to "docusign" the forms. They will review them and have 14 days to deposit the cash in our account.

About 26 billion to give away. Luckily, they have set-asides for women and veterans, so it looks like we have a good chance of getting about a quarter million.

Posted by: jwest at May 03, 2021 12:06 PM (/BlEx)

252 I believe they will continue to ramp up the intimidation tactics as Maricopa winds down their findings. I'm not inclined to think it will change the election but at some point the fraud that was perpetrated will be too much to ignore. But they dont have to ignore it if everyone is scared shitless to speak.

Posted by: Fool Otto at May 03, 2021 12:06 PM (DB16e)

253 Any word from the ACLU?

Posted by: mr tmz at May 03, 2021 12:07 PM (m/Gc2)

254 But no mean tweets.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 03, 2021 12:07 PM (nBcht)

255 >Are there no Democrats saying "this is not who we are "?


No. I mean yes, there are none.

Posted by: DB- just DB at May 03, 2021 12:07 PM (iTXRQ)

256 I applaud the Feds monitoring the payphone in the hallway at the Fields Rooming House. I purty sure Hillary Brooke is an Oathkeeper and have my doubts about Mike the Cop.

Posted by: Mr Bacciagalupe at May 03, 2021 12:07 PM (s33iD)

257 Heh. The thing is, we've had comments like that here in the past few months -- the "come on, it's time to act, you guyz!!!" stuff that stinks with eau du fedpost.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 03, 2021 12:05 PM (bDqI

Yep, we definitely had some spies.

Posted by: CN at May 03, 2021 12:07 PM (ONvIw)

258 We've lost. These militarized 3 a.m. arrests are meant to tell us that.

Oh, sweet Lord. I don't think I can stand another day of either depressed people saying again and again, "It's all over!!" or trolls trying to demoralize us.

If the kindly praying people wouldn't mind I would be grateful for prayers for my son having an interview at a farm for a college internship in about half an hour. Yes, we have farms in N.J. and no they don't farm rotten tires and
garbage. This one is medium size farm and raises plants for cut flowers among other things. It is in an area that has quite a few horse farms. President Trump has a house in that area. Son probably doesn't have the expertise of other applicants and is introverted, but I think most young people are applying for jobs at tech firms or banking places. Thanks a lot.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2021 12:07 PM (7hF2c)

259 >>I've never really thought of Fen as a node before...

Not Fen - Ace and the cobs

Posted by: Lizzy at May 03, 2021 12:07 PM (bDqIh)

260
Like "Strangers on a Train!" Criss-Cross! Criss-Cross!!!!!
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 03, 2021 12:05 PM (/EuRN)


Kris Kross?

https://youtu.be/010KyIQjkTk

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 03, 2021 12:07 PM (Zz0t1)

261 All your insurrection are belong to us.

Posted by: Archer at May 03, 2021 12:08 PM (gmo/4)

262 "The textbook definition of fascism is very specific but nobody seems to give a damn what it is any more."

It's just socialism with a national anthem.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, Wild West Pimp Style at May 03, 2021 12:08 PM (CcOog)

263 Before I go, just remember about 6-8 trac phones are always a good investment. Just burn the boxes.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 03, 2021 12:08 PM (jvt6t)

264 248 New primary doctor never even asked me about the vaccine. I think that's so amazing.
Posted by: ... at May 03, 2021 12:05 PM (f3SGf)

Did you already have it?

Posted by: CN at May 03, 2021 12:08 PM (ONvIw)

265 247 I suspected the chick who kept wanting people to get together and "do something now" was a plant.
is she hot?

Posted by: Ficus Pandorata at May 03, 2021 12:08 PM (v3pYe)

266 Obviously all of the true patriots and veterans will participate! The only ones who wouldn't are too limp wristed to slap a clip into the assault rifle of the type that we all own, if you know what I mean! LOL!

Posted by: Totally Not An Accomplice DHS informant at May 03, 2021 12:08 PM (TYK6D)

267 Also surveillance-related: Ratsheeta Taliban is claiming that facial recognition technology is "racist".

Of course, that might have something to do with the fact that the computer starts making gagging and barfing noises every time they scan her picture.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 03, 2021 12:09 PM (JZT2F)

268 Thanks a lot.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2021 12:07 PM (7hF2c)

You got it

Posted by: CN at May 03, 2021 12:09 PM (ONvIw)

269 I hope they enjoy my cute animal pictures, stories about kindly people and religious devotional links.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2021 11:53 AM (7hF2c)

You're describing everything they hate.

Posted by: ... at May 03, 2021 12:09 PM (f3SGf)

270 Did you already have it?
Posted by: CN at May 03, 2021 12:08 PM (ONvIw)

Nope

Posted by: ... at May 03, 2021 12:09 PM (f3SGf)

271 > Before I go, just remember about 6-8 trac phones are always a good investment. Just burn the boxes.

Buy with cash, and wear a mask, even if you don't normally. Use their own bullshit against them.



Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 03, 2021 12:10 PM (JZT2F)

272 9 He already has, say hi to the USPS.

GSA will probably be spying on us by the end of the year.
---------
I'm more concerned about Medicaid and PayPal being used against me.

Posted by: exdem13 at May 03, 2021 12:10 PM (W+kMI)

273 Oh, sweet Lord. I don't think I can stand another day of either depressed people saying again and again, "It's all over!!"

Over? It's not over until we say it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

Posted by: Archer at May 03, 2021 12:10 PM (gmo/4)

274 New primary doctor never even asked me about the vaccine. I think that's so amazing.
Posted by: ... at May 03, 2021 12:05 PM (f3SGf)


I'm getting text messages from the parent company my PD works for about scheduling my appt for the vaccine. I haven't replied STOP because I don't want to be documented that I'm not getting their experimental crap.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 03, 2021 12:10 PM (Zz0t1)

275 "used by extremist groups such as the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers."

Disgusting. The Oath Keepers is about as far from an "extremist" group --indeed they are pledged to be stewards to the Constitution -- as exists.

And I guarantee not a single name Republican will stand up to defend the Oath Keepers from this or any similar smear.

Posted by: Homo Viator at May 03, 2021 12:11 PM (u9h5+)

276 hope they enjoy my cute animal pictures, stories about kindly people and religious devotional links.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2021 11:53 AM (7hF2c)

You're describing everything they hate.
Posted by: ... at May 03, 2021 12:09 PM (f3SGf)

You don't think they pause their fascisting for a second to say "awww "?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 03, 2021 12:11 PM (cSyAR)

277 273 > Before I go, just remember about 6-8 trac phones are always a good investment. Just burn the boxes.

Buy with cash, and wear a mask, even if you don't normally. Use their own bullshit against them.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 03, 2021 12:10 PM (JZT2F)

Learn Spanish, or at least No Hablo ingles. Lots of Spanish-speakers are white and they won't be interested in looking at illegals.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at May 03, 2021 12:11 PM (z5Vrg)

278 #260


All the trolls prove we are winning.

Posted by: Corner Stone at May 03, 2021 12:11 PM (/B6Iw)

279 I think people need to do what they need to do and
I know plenty of people that had their shots and are fine - but personally - mother in law is in between covid shots and has a mystery illness. Neighbor lady in her 50's is in between covid shots and has a mystery illness.

Posted by: ... at May 03, 2021 12:11 PM (f3SGf)

280 17 Why not just use the FBI to make shit up and then frame people?
----------
It's been done already. Enough times that even the LIVs are getting suspicious.

Posted by: exdem13 at May 03, 2021 12:11 PM (W+kMI)

281 Fen.... huge stretches of Jersey are just a joy to drive through. Beautiful rolling hills, happy little farm houses, miles and miles of crops just swaying in the breeze. I'll sometimes take the long way to get somewhere when i'm across the Delaware just so I can look at nice scenery and not the soul-crushing banality of 78/287.

Good luck to Fen-son!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 03, 2021 12:12 PM (/EuRN)

282 230 Hey, Patriot! I am totally down for storming the Capitol on Independence Day! We need to be free from that Commie Biden! LOL! But we need more patriots!
Posted by: Totally Not An Accomplice DHS informant at May 03, 2021 12:02 PM (TYK6D)

Yes!

Posted by: Ali Alexander, totally not a grifting FED at May 03, 2021 12:12 PM (Oo9rt)

283 > Hmmmm.....squeeze 40 million people into an arid desert, not build any new dams or reservoirs, break the ones that do exist for salmon bullshit....good luck with that Cali.

I've been thinking of buying a couple 330 gallon IBCs to collect rainwater. I'm in WA, so water is plentiful, but I think it might be wise to be able to provide at least a bit of the old H2O for myself.

Thoughts?

Posted by: bonhomme at May 03, 2021 12:12 PM (i0wNm)

284 Oh, sweet Lord. I don't think I can stand another day of either depressed people saying again and again, "It's all over!!"

Over? It's not over until we say it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Posted by: Archer at May 03, 2021 12:10 PM (gmo/4)



To be fair, the Germans didn't have the power of The United States Fucking Government violating their civil and Constitutional rights.

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 03, 2021 12:12 PM (Zz0t1)

285 Are there no Democrats saying "this is not who we are "?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 03, 2021 12:04 PM (cSyAR)

The youngest of the dems that would have done that is about 90.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 03, 2021 12:12 PM (18x8x)

286
These American and British (no difference) spies need to fucking relax, and quit trolling for rebels around here.

You guys have *decades* before anybody rises up against you. Most of us will be dead before then. When it happens, hanging out on these fora trying to map the human terrain will make no difference whatsoever. By that time, you'll get run out on a rail whether not you know who's planning it.

Just chill out. Enjoy your tyranny while it lasts. And pray you're not around when the music stops. Just my $0.02.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 03, 2021 12:13 PM (Uh2oA)

287 253 Jwest, I hope you get the bucks. I also hope that every immigrant hot dog vendor cooks the books and gets a pile of dough and retires to the old country. I'll hold my breath on Veterans getting any preference. Should have been done first.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at May 03, 2021 12:13 PM (I58tH)

288 >All the trolls prove we are winning.


doesn't feel like winning

Posted by: DB- just DB at May 03, 2021 12:13 PM (iTXRQ)

289 212 Calif is going to have a drought this summer.
but i still have my covid decorations up!

Posted by: Comrade Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at May 03, 2021 12:13 PM (sGtp+)

290 > Good luck to Fen-son!

JESUS CHRIST, FENTON!
https://youtu.be/3GRSbr0EYYU?t=14

Posted by: bonhomme at May 03, 2021 12:13 PM (i0wNm)

291 >Heh. The thing is, we've had comments like that here in the past few months -- the "come on, it's time to act, you guyz!!!" stuff that stinks with eau du fedpost.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 03, 2021 12:05 PM (bDqIh)

Totally.

"All you pussies ever do is sit around and talk!"

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 03, 2021 12:14 PM (DXFDM)

292 Obligatory quibble:

* ace, please start using as a standard wording "the completely baseless, unexplained NeverTrumper screeching about the alleged 'authoritarian tendencies' of Trump"

And we ever, ever, ever going to get a single example of anything particularly important or dangerous coming from these mythical "extremists" on the "right"?

Not mythical? Fine. Dates, times, places, details, names. Show me the "threat". Show me damage or injuries caused, or planned or intended. Show me the "ideology" of "white supremacy" (narrator: they can't, because there isn't any, just scattered unimportant incoherent racist burblings of randos, a fringe phenomenon existing in many flavors, forever)

Posted by: rhomboid at May 03, 2021 12:14 PM (OTzUX)

293 I remember those innocent days of laughing about black helicopters.

Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six! at May 03, 2021 12:14 PM (ptqGC)

294 Medicaid and PayPal

Hey Siri, what's the results from exdem13's latest med chart say? Did they pay the copay and deductible? What's the expected caloric intake this week from what's in the fridge and how long have they been not using the Peloton?

Posted by: IP at May 03, 2021 12:14 PM (pWrfh)

295 #290

FEELINGS DO NOT SIGNIFY.

Posted by: Corner Stone at May 03, 2021 12:14 PM (/B6Iw)

296 Before I go, just remember about 6-8 trac phones are always a good investment. Just burn the boxes.
Posted by: Jak Sucio

Don't call us, we'll call you!!

And remember, despite what you may think, the Telephone Company is on your side. That's the TPC.

Daspadanya, comrades!

Posted by: Bozo Conservative ...meticulous weirdo at May 03, 2021 12:14 PM (vcOmj)

297 285 I've been thinking of buying a couple 330 gallon IBCs to collect
rainwater. I'm in WA, so water is plentiful, but I think it might be
wise to be able to provide at least a bit of the old H2O for myself.



Thoughts?

there are places where collecting rainwater is illegal because it is considered to be state property (my tired old brain cells say "colorado"). might want to check.

Posted by: Comrade Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at May 03, 2021 12:15 PM (sGtp+)

298 I remember those innocent days of laughing about black helicopters.
Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six! at May 03, 2021 12:14 PM (ptqGC)

Racist

Posted by: ... at May 03, 2021 12:15 PM (f3SGf)

299 About 26 billion to give away. Luckily, they have set-asides for women and veterans, so it looks like we have a good chance of getting about a quarter million.
Posted by: jwest at May 03, 2021 12:06 PM (/BlEx)

Fuck yeah! Take what you can get, then demand loan forgiveness!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, not a DHS informant at May 03, 2021 12:15 PM (TYK6D)

300 > "used by extremist groups such as the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers."

People keep saying the Proud Boys are "white supremacists", but every picture I've ever seen of them shows black, Hispanic, and Asian dudes.

Unlike the typical Antifa pic, in which everyone is whiter than Andy Warhol's underballs.

About collecting rainwater: that's illegal in Oregon. Don't know about Washington.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 03, 2021 12:15 PM (JZT2F)

301 stuff that stinks with eau du fedpost.
Posted by: Lizzy


Eau du fedpost.

Golf clap. That's a keeper.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 03, 2021 12:15 PM (HqWIn)

302 Trolls are paranoid mentally ill deadbeats. Like Patterico.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 03, 2021 12:15 PM (y7DUB)

303 Tech help from the Usual Suspects, but they are not suspects.

They are nameless people on the North American Continent.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 03, 2021 12:16 PM (o89XP)

304 Chairman Mao did the same thing with the Red Guard in China. He had all the schools closed and sent the kids out into the streets spying on strangers and their parents all the while waving their Little Red Books as a sign of loyalty and authority. Today BLM and Antifa does Chairman Biden's bidding. Look it up.

Posted by: Pip McGuigin at May 03, 2021 12:16 PM (7XAxC)

305 114 what amazes me is that stories like this get no traction
Posted by: DB- just DB at May 03, 2021 11:38 AM (iTXRQ)


How does that amaze you? Stories don't have organic life cycles anymore, there is only pravda.

Posted by: havelhavolim at May 03, 2021 12:16 PM (fLpTX)

306 Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 03, 2021 12:12 PM (/EuRN)

Thanks. You know N.J. You know 78 and 287. I pray a lot when on those roads. He is talking all back roads to get to the farm.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2021 12:16 PM (7hF2c)

307
JESUS CHRIST, FENTON!
https://youtu.be/3GRSbr0EYYU?t=14
Posted by: bonhomme at May 03, 2021 12:13 PM (i0wNm)


So THAT'S what Jeremy Clarkson was yelling when his battery cart went barreling down the hill into the woods........

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 03, 2021 12:16 PM (Zz0t1)

308 jwest: I agree. Get what you can while the getting is good.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 03, 2021 12:16 PM (JZT2F)

309 To be fair, the Germans didn't have the power of The United States Fucking Government violating their civil and Constitutional rights.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 03, 2021 12:12 PM (Zz0t1)

Or the electronic spying devices they have now.

But for those who need reassurance that the Restoration is right around the corner and the best is yet to come, quodverum will feed you all the sunshine you need.

"Right now,Trump is counterattacking.

As at Cambrai,Trump's enemies celebrated too early.

And he has not yet begun to REALLY fight.

Posted by: CN at May 03, 2021 12:17 PM (ONvIw)

310 Go ahead.

Collect the rainwater.

Rebel against the establishment.

Posted by: Corner Stone at May 03, 2021 12:17 PM (/B6Iw)

311 The water just flows out of the ground on my property. About 100gpm. I could probably set up a ram pump and fill a couple tanks.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, not a DHS informant at May 03, 2021 12:17 PM (TYK6D)

312 Last day, Capricorn 29's. Year of the city 2274. Carousel begins.

Posted by: Archer at May 03, 2021 12:17 PM (gmo/4)

313 I've been thinking of buying a couple 330 gallon IBCs to collect rainwater. I'm in WA, so water is plentiful, but I think it might be wise to be able to provide at least a bit of the old H2O for myself.

Thoughts?
Posted by: bonhomme at May 03, 2021 12:12 PM (i0wNm)

#DoIt

I've been thinking the same. Just quibbling about prices.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 03, 2021 12:17 PM (ifmtJ)

314 > Today BLM and Antifa does Chairman Biden's bidding.

I don't really see much of a cult of personality around Dopey Joe, much less Commie-Lay.

Gaylord, now... Gaylord definitely had a personality cult.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 03, 2021 12:17 PM (JZT2F)

315 57 I don't want to read tweets from people I know. I can't imagine a more miserable job than having to read a bunch of tweets and facebook posts.

Still, there are a lot of leftists out there with no marketable skills at all. This might allow them to find a job.
------------
The Federal jobs doled out to Leftards who will cling to Big Brother in return for salary and benefits is all part of the plan.

Posted by: exdem13 at May 03, 2021 12:18 PM (W+kMI)

316 Think out of the box, people. Lots and lots of people and organizations all over the world would be happy to do this surveillance for free.

And also, when they say something is being considered in this junta, it means it's already being implemented.

Posted by: Justsayin' at May 03, 2021 12:18 PM (Fs5vw)

317 312 Go ahead.

Collect the rainwater.

Rebel against the establishment.
Posted by: Corner Stone at May 03, 2021 12:17 PM (/B6Iw)

"That ain't rainwater. They was full when I bought them."

Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 03, 2021 12:18 PM (/EuRN)

318 I remember those innocent days of laughing about black helicopters.
Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six! at May 03, 2021 12:14 PM (ptqGC)




https://youtu.be/rbZ1bRDtm-I

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 03, 2021 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)

319 > Are there no Democrats saying "this is not who we are "?

That's why it's so important to keep ratcheting up the fear of white supremacy, boogaloo boys, three percenters, the "insurrection" on the 6th, etc.

For anyone who's not champing at the bit to kill Republicans, the hard left wants to convince the normies that it may not be nice, but it's NECESSARY to do X horrible thing to the right, because they're a bunch of secret klansmen who want to put you in chains or worse.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 03, 2021 12:19 PM (i0wNm)

320 I've been thinking of buying a couple 330 gallon IBCs to collect
rainwater. I'm in WA, so water is plentiful, but I think it might be
wise to be able to provide at least a bit of the old H2O for myself.
Thoughts?
...
I bought two early last year, gave one away actually. I got them used (food grade) for $75 each. For my family it was by far the most practical and least expensive way to have enough water storage for more than just a couple days worth. Mine are the 275 gal variety.

Posted by: TexasDan at May 03, 2021 12:19 PM (yL25O)

321 CN

Things of faith are unseen.

Posted by: Corner Stone at May 03, 2021 12:19 PM (/B6Iw)

322 > The Federal jobs doled out to Leftards who will cling to Big Brother in return for salary and benefits is all part of the plan.

As the old Soviet joke goes, "We pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us."

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 03, 2021 12:19 PM (JZT2F)

323 >All the trolls prove we are winning.

Yep, anyone here who dares to publicly call out Qtardism for what it is is a troll. Go with that.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 03, 2021 12:19 PM (DXFDM)

324 @Fenelon, being a white Christian is now a crime. Christians are being othered and outright persecution has been sanctioned by the state. So far, states have listened to the courts when they'v been told to knock it off, but, that won't last.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at May 03, 2021 12:19 PM (2SdPm)

325 Watched another ep of "World On Fire" last night. It's really good, but gives me nightmares.

Last night's ep had the strafing on the men on the beach at Dunkirk, and a father "party member" and his wife hiding their pretty German daughter because she suffered from epilepsy and was "imperfect."

Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six! at May 03, 2021 12:20 PM (ptqGC)

326 Nood death of the media.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at May 03, 2021 12:20 PM (z5Vrg)

327 To be fair, the Germans didn't have the power of The United States Fucking Government violating their civil and Constitutional rights.
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 03, 2021 12:12 PM (Zz0t1)
++++
The total surveillance power of the modern government+industry complex is unparalleled at any point in history. The Nazis or the Soviets would cream their jeans just trying to imagine the level of surveillance that modern governments can accomplish.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2021 12:20 PM (Jsjd7)

328 But for those who need reassurance that the Restoration is right around the corner and the best is yet to come, quodverum will feed you all the sunshine you need.

"Right now,Trump is counterattacking.

As at Cambrai,Trump's enemies celebrated too early.

And he has not yet begun to REALLY fight.
Posted by: CN at May 03, 2021 12:17 PM (ONvIw)


Those shitheads should be working 24/7 arguing they're not derp state agents.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 03, 2021 12:20 PM (y7DUB)

329 #319

Good one.

Posted by: Corner Stone at May 03, 2021 12:21 PM (/B6Iw)

330 Also, doing things like DHS is doing is just formalizing long-standing, semi-legal practices by Five Eyes agencies. This is the same shit NSA and GCHQ have been doing for a long time, hither, thither and yon.

Working groups like JTRIG live on the internet, surveilling and influencing everything from political message boards like these, all the way down to your favorite hobby forum. Anyone who thinks they aren't infiltrating supposedly private services is kidding themselves.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 03, 2021 12:21 PM (Uh2oA)

331 317 57 I don't want to read tweets from people I know. I can't imagine a more miserable job than having to read a bunch of tweets and facebook posts.

Still, there are a lot of leftists out there with no marketable skills at all. This might allow them to find a job.
------------
The Federal jobs doled out to Leftards who will cling to Big Brother in return for salary and benefits is all part of the plan.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 03, 2021 12:18 PM (W+kMI)

They also hate, -HATE- people what don't agree with them and this job would let them fulfill their fantasy of making life miserable for those who disagree with them. So it is a job that is rewarding in that way as well.

Posted by: Bete at May 03, 2021 12:21 PM (Ojki1)

332 >doesn't feel like winning
Posted by: DB- just DB at May 03, 2021 12:13 PM (iTXRQ)

Frankly, this kind of grousing (not from you, the "we're really winning, guise, don't bring me down by saying anything negative" stuff) feels like a variation of the "trust the plan" nonsense we for force-fed for years here.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 03, 2021 12:21 PM (DXFDM)

333 And some shit is just shit, like this:

"Here's something people need to consider:
Rahm Emanuel is a double agent.
In other words, he's sabotaging the Democrats.
Remember that Trump planned his presidency for almost 40 years.
The reason he allowed the election theft is that he saw an advantage. We have no idea what he's up to at this moment.
But we know that he's working hard.

Please

Posted by: CN at May 03, 2021 12:21 PM (ONvIw)

334 Orange Threat Level = Green

Posted by: ... at May 03, 2021 12:22 PM (f3SGf)

335 By the way, saw an okay movie recently, "November Man" wherein the CIA conspired with Russia to start a war in Chechen.

For some reason, that plot no longer seems far fetched.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at May 03, 2021 12:22 PM (2SdPm)

336 This has been increasingly the case over the past several years and we are now seeing them do it openly.

It's fascism by any measure. The government "outsourcing" tasks it can't legally perform to private businesses is one obvious way to surveil citizens and ruin their lives.

I don't have a solution other than vote them out, assuming we ever have another free and fair election.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at May 03, 2021 12:22 PM (+Kpte)

337 I remember those innocent days of laughing about black helicopters.


Aren't those "helicopters of color" now?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Serving all Americans, even the Neanderthals. at May 03, 2021 12:22 PM (SchxB)

338
nood

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 03, 2021 12:22 PM (DUIap)

339 Gaylord, now... Gaylord definitely had a personality cult.



Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 03, 2021 12:17 PM (JZT2F)


Hey, now. There was nothing cultish at all about having school kids chant "Barack Hussein Obama, mmmm.....mmmmm.....mmmmmm....."

Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six! at May 03, 2021 12:22 PM (ptqGC)

340 #325

Keep Doctor Who out of this.

Posted by: Corner Stone at May 03, 2021 12:24 PM (/B6Iw)

341 Don't forget Hitler was wildly popular up until he started WW2. Americans visited Germany all during the 1930's writing glowing reports about him. Sure most knew about the persuasion of the Jews, and the arrest of anyone who said something bad about the Nazi's, but they ignored it, or dismissed it for the good of the German state.

Posted by: Colin at May 03, 2021 12:24 PM (/lJ4Y)

342 Posted by: Lizzy at May 03, 2021 12:02 PM (bDqIh)

So what's the difference?

Do you see any effective leadership now?

Getting rid of potential leaders is only as old as the human race.

Why would anyone thing it hasn't been happening for decades?

Posted by: Stonn at May 03, 2021 12:24 PM (aM3+f)

343 > there are places where collecting rainwater is illegal because it is considered to be state property (my tired old brain cells say "Colorado"). might want to check.

Thanks, I'll check on legality first. If I remember right, a lot of those laws are because of very early "water rights" agreements and the laughable argument that if you collect the bit of rain that hits your roof, you're stealing from someone downstream of you that has a legal right to that water.

I say that argument is laughable because most of that water would end up evaporating anyway, and if someone is actively using the water (for crops, drinking, cooking, bathing, etc) it all ends up in the ground eventually.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 03, 2021 12:25 PM (i0wNm)

344 343; More nazi obsession....bleh

Posted by: CN at May 03, 2021 12:25 PM (ONvIw)

345 Ha ha ha.

CNN cracks me up.

Posted by: Corner Stone at May 03, 2021 12:25 PM (/B6Iw)

346 Browse with Tor or proxies and pay w/ Monero I guess. Our gov't wasn't too johnny-on-the-spot for stopping 14 guys from flying planes into buildings but the cannibal state will still break down your door in Alaska if you look like an easy meal

Posted by: Swamposphere at May 03, 2021 12:26 PM (l4vYO)

347 News is way down.
Primtime network TV is down modestly (about 5%).
Sports are way down.
Movies are way down.
Streaming is unknown because no one reports reliably.

Where is the audience going? It's possible they've shifted to streaming, but based on the financial reports, that is likely not true. There's been some shift to it, but not enough to make up for the bone-crunching declines observed in every known dimension.

I suspect that actual total time spent consuming media products is in the process of collapsing. The audience isn't shifting somewhere else, it's disappearing.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2021 12:26 PM (Jsjd7)

348 When will the sleeping giant wake from the date rape drugs?

Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 03, 2021 12:27 PM (o89XP)

349 266 kids in total age 0-17 have died of COVID in the US.

In 2019, 477 kids died of flu.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 03, 2021 12:28 PM (yrol0)

350 These American and British (no difference) spies need to fucking relax, and quit trolling for rebels around here.
You guys have *decades* before anybody rises up against you. Most of us will be dead before then. When it happens, hanging out on these fora trying to map the human terrain will make no difference whatsoever. By that time, you'll get run out on a rail whether not you know who's planning it.
Just chill out. Enjoy your tyranny while it lasts. And pray you're not around when the music stops. Just my $0.02.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 03, 2021 12:13 PM (Uh2oA)


Yeah, seriously. The middle and working classes make the world's worst Revolutionaries. There simply is too much for them to lose. By their very natures, their success is tied to being good citizens and obeying the law.
Now, on the other hand, Our Betters and Biden seem determined to destroy the middle and working classes toot sweet, so they may actually stumble into causing the M&WCs into being woke to their assholery in threatening their lives, livelihoods and family, friends, and neighbors.
And a fully woke Middle class would be very dangerous indeed, bu-u-u-ut, that won't happen

Posted by: naturalfake at May 03, 2021 12:29 PM (EERbD)

351 #343

Colin, I read just last week that the Nazi were paying the Washington Post, New York Times, etc to write those glowing reports.

Posted by: Corner Stone at May 03, 2021 12:29 PM (/B6Iw)

352 Old Marxist wants our Capitalist $$$$$:

Sen. Bernie Sanders told NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday.

Sanders wants U.S. drug manufacturers to waive their patents to boost vaccine production for poor countries.

FUCK YOU BERNIE

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 03, 2021 12:35 PM (yrol0)

353 309
JESUS CHRIST, FENTON!
https://youtu.be/3GRSbr0EYYU?t=14
Posted by: bonhomme at May 03, 2021 12:13 PM (i0wNm)

So THAT'S what Jeremy Clarkson was yelling when his battery cart went barreling down the hill into the woods.
========
Fenton is a good boy.

Posted by: exdem13 at May 03, 2021 12:37 PM (W+kMI)

354 AND - the "American Families Plan" will be snooping on your bank accounts without a warrant to make sure you are reporting all of your income. Under the bill, financial institutions will be required to report all of your inflows and outflows (checking, savings, Paypal, Venmo, Western Union, etc.) to the IRS so the IRS can determine if you are reporting all of your income.

Sounds like a warrantless search to me.




Posted by: Java Joe at May 03, 2021 12:43 PM (q/1pC)

355 I'm reading on Kindle "Travelers to the Third Reich". Many of the travelers who phrase Hitler were from academia. Highly educated from Harvard, Yale, etc. or young college age students. Some said they saw no difference between Stalin's Communism and National Socialism. Of which there was very little difference.

Posted by: Colin at May 03, 2021 12:50 PM (/lJ4Y)

356 But if you withdrew $10,000 in increments or bought a gun through a "straw man" its PMITA prison for you!

Posted by: Zek at May 03, 2021 01:01 PM (5RTdG)

357 Thos Paine Seizes on Intolerable Acts While Adams Pounces !

Posted by: Ye Olde C Enn Enne at May 03, 2021 01:03 PM (5RTdG)

358 It SHOULD be obvious that the government can't farm out its law enforcement to third parties in an attempt to evade the Constitution.

That's something the Framers would consider a no-brainer.

Posted by: Noam Sayen at May 03, 2021 01:08 PM (RtcCM)

359 California just eliminated it farming of prisons out to private companies. I think they're even trying to bar the Feds from using them in Commiefornia.

How short sighted is that? They could use private prisons to hide their political prisoners.

Posted by: torabora at May 03, 2021 01:17 PM (ZjFZv)

360 #349 so shutting down the world's biggest economy worked.

It was For The Children!

Posted by: torabora at May 03, 2021 01:22 PM (ZjFZv)

361
1 jan 6 was the reichstag fire
2 increasing persecution of deplorables and irredeemables until
3 2026...when the pogroms begin
4 loading us up on trains by 2030

plan accordingly

the best plan is move to a city with a republican mayor and district attorney in a state with a republican governor

Posted by: sound awake at May 03, 2021 02:16 PM (4mBS8)

362 The NSA have basically been surveilling everybody's web use for years anyway.

So much for protection against unnecessary search and seizure.

It's getting to the point where I believe that everyone should, as a matter of principle, use any available method to make difficult or conceal their web use from these organisations.

Posted by: stv at May 03, 2021 05:03 PM (m4GYV)

363 Had enough?

Posted by: Rick at May 03, 2021 06:05 PM (hy5jz)

364 I thought an agent couldn't do something that the principal wasn't allowed to do. Silly me.

Posted by: Fox2!! at May 03, 2021 08:04 PM (Lk/fE)

365 "You live in an illegitimate tyranny that believes you're a greater threat than any foreign enemy."


Maybe that needs to become true.

Posted by: GWB at May 03, 2021 08:45 PM (2orQs)

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Frequently Asked Questions
The (Almost) Complete Paul Anka Integrity Kick
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The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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