Gun Thread: Attitude Adjustment Edition! [Weasel]

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Howdy everyone! Are you ready for another wacky installment of the good ol' Gun Thread? Been doing any shooting? I haven't been to the farm in a few weeks so I suspect I'm pretty rusty. Hopefully I will get down there this coming week for a couple of days and remedy that.

I added the top picture just for a laugh, but realized it actually contains a pretty good message, and that's about attitude; specifically attitude when shooting. What in the hell am I talking about? Your guess is as good as mine, so let's see if there are any clues in the thread below, shall we?

I have mentioned this before, and having no better ideas for content today, think I will mention it again. Your attitude influences your shooting, and no, I'm not going all metaphysical on you. WeaselDoctrine teaches us a positive attitude and outlook really does influence performance.

Really! I am not making this up! Ever notice when you feel like crap or do not want to be somewhere doing a specific thing, your performance tends to suffer? When I was coaching, a shooter's attitude played a not insignificant part in my squadding decisions for a match. All things being equal, if a shooter dragged themselves up to the line and appeared to not really want to be there, they very often found themselves on the bench for team matches that day. Why? First, a lackluster attitude can be infectious, and I didn't want anyone spreading a non-winning attitude. Secondly, someone who isn't focused on the job isn't giving their best or living up to their potential. I wanted good shooters who were focused and on top of their game. Plain and simple.

Everyone has bad days and I get that. I had bad days as a coach, too. However, it is imperitive you find a way to shake that off when it happens. If you are properly equipped and have the requisite skills, then any failure in performance is coming from your head. If you are confident in your gear and abilities you will perform well. If you are tentative and unsure, you're probably wasting ammunition. Even if it's just a day of casual plinking, think about what you are doing. Think about the target and imagine the bullet's flight. Form a mental image of the bullet going into the center of what you're shooting. Before you load up, mentally rehearse your stance, grip, sight alignment, and trigger squeeze. Concentrate on not flinching or anticipating the shot. For rifle shooters, observe the wind, then double and even triple-check your firing solutions. Finally, you will perform best when rested, alert, and again, focused. If you're hurried or rushed or if your head just isn't into it, perhaps save the range trip for another day.

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First up, we have an instructional video sent in by our pal Scuba_Dude. It's over 17 minutes long, but the inportant part is in the first half. It is not graphic, and I encourage you to watch it.

This guy is lucky to be alive. That's not hyperbole, he really is very, very lucky to be alive. Two takeaways from this; always wear eye protection when shooting, and always be certain the gun you are shooting is rated for the ammunition you are using. Do not ever shoot someone else's reloads, or any mystery ammo with an uncertain provenance. That is the mistake this guy made, and he almost paid a very dear price. As it is, I bet he wishes he had a do over.

You do not have to e shooting a 50 caliber rifle to get into trouble. The operating pressures of just about all small arms ammunition is high enough to cause serious and possible fatal injuries in the event of a catastrophic failure. Yes, even a 9mm round can blow up your hand or poke out your eye if the gun fails. It's not worth it people. Especially now with ammunition in short supply, the temptation to shoot whatever you can find is great. Don't do it. Stick with commercially manufactured ammunition that is intended for your gun. If you are unsure, ask someone more experienced, and go home with ten fingers and two eyeballs.

Thanks Scuba-Dude!

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Next up we have a great question from our pal One-eyed cat peepin' in the seafood store regarding .357 Magnum ammunition.

I am a new shooter/owner; heeding your recommendation (for non-complex operation for my wife and me), my first (and only, so far) purchase is a 7-shot .357 magnum 4" barrel Ruger GP100 revolver. I recently found some .357 ammo at what seemed a decent price (~ $1.30/round with shipping, etc. included): 110 gr JHP. Doing a little reading, I thought, perhaps, the high muzzle velocity resulting from light weight would deliver a lot of energy (ft-lbs) and good expansion, but have also read that the light round can be problematic.

So, am thinking this would be a round to keep in a couple speed-loaders for home defense, but to avoid using on the range.

First, congratulations on the new gun, and that is an excellent question One-eyed cat!

I recommend not using a steady diet of light, high velocity rounds in .357 Magnum. Using them for self-defense is fine, just practice with something heavier and slower at the range.

POP QUIZ! Now for all of the rest of you, why do I reccommend this?

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Next we have some content for our pal NZFrank who is a student of the John C Garand School of Excellence.

Loading your M1


Principles of Operation

Who doesn't love these old instructional videos?!

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What's better than a regular MoMe? A Gunshow MoMe! Our pal blaster reports:

Sitrep after a meetup at The Nations Gun Show which is held at Dulles Expo Center in Chantilly VA. First, the cast of characters: sharon(willow's apprentice), Iris, JesseinDC, Hrothgar, myself (blaster), and sra blaster, and a friend of the blog, or at least friend of people on the blog, Rick. I think he has a Cafe Americain or something.

Anyway, we went off to The Nations Gunshow. A bit about that. I recall hearing advertising for this show in the past, over 900 tables! One and half miles of guns, knives, and ammo! Well, not so much in COVID world. Governor Coonman McKlanhood really doesn't want gunshows, so there are...restrictions. In this case, you have to pre-purchase tickets online and provide a significant amount of personal detail presumably for contact tracing. And you have to buy for a particular 2 hour period - and be there 15 minutes early so they can pre-check your tickets. A lot more pre-planning required to go. And as good morons we planned for a time and met up. Well, mostly. We eventually got all in one place in the Expo hall!

Also, the show was smaller. Cause or effect, hard to say. But smaller than in the past. Certainly not 900 tables. But there were some.

Ammo prices were...eh. Boxed ammo was not particularly at special gunshow prices. Pretty much $1 a round for boxes of 50 9mm that weren't Wolf or Tula or RedArmyAmmo. FMJ, $1.50 on up for hollowpoint and defensive ammo. There were some deals to be found - I picked up some loose bagged 9mm FMJ for $35/50 (bought 3 bags - tried to do a bundle 3 for $100 no deal). Not reman so seemed like a good idea to pick some up if it was cheaper than usual.

Gun prices really ranged by the seller. Some had good prices. Some had not so good prices. I used a Heritage Rough Rider 22LR revolver as a gauge - one seller had them for $139 another had the same model for $199. If you wanted a Lewis gun that was emi-automatic there was someone there who could hook you up.

sharon wanted to look at gun cases and they were there for her to look up. She wants a hard case so she can take her 22 rifle to the TXMoMe this year. She found most cases are roughly her same size so a little hard to handle, but the important thing was being able to see things in person. Also a Glock G44 caught her eye seems like one of those may be in her future, too.

I also picked up a long eye relief scope for my Mossberg Scout Rifle. Sent a pic of it all tacced up to Weasel not sure if it will accompany this writeup. Also picked up an IWB holster for sra blaster for her P365. Mother's Day is coming up, and, well, I'm romantic like that.

Afterward we went to dinner and groused about the fraud in the White House and how we should never, ever, talk to the FBI without a lawyer.

A great Moronic Day!

Excellent report blaster, thank you! Sounds like great company and a great time. I went to the Chantilly show a few times back in the day, it just became too crowded, even when going on Friday when the doors opened, and rarely were there deals to be found. On the plus side, the thing was enormous!!

Also from our pal blaster is a pic of his new rifle!

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a picture of my Mossberg Scout. Picked up a long eye relief scope and put the tac light on the side rail

Nice looking rifle, bro! Congratulations!

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Prices of Yesteryear

This week our pal f'd hates and taunts us with ammo prices from the Before Time.

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And finally, speaking of rifles, our pal Scuba_Dude has been making range trips and working on his rifle skillz. Here's a recent 100yd target.

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Making some nice progress there, bro!

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Link-O-Rama

I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop

***Mail Bag***

This week's entry again comes from our pal FungusBoy.

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:00 PM




Comments

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1 Barrel fans...doh

Posted by: That Guy What Always says Yeah Buddy TM at May 02, 2021 06:00 PM (R5lpX)

2 Ready other firing line

Posted by: Skip at May 02, 2021 06:00 PM (Cxk7w)

3 St?

Posted by: Numbuh Two, 2x4 Technology Operative at May 02, 2021 06:00 PM (YWBlw)

4 Yeah buddy

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 02, 2021 06:00 PM (IYHxL)

5 Bah! Too slow on the trigger.

Posted by: Numbuh Two, 2x4 Technology Operative at May 02, 2021 06:01 PM (YWBlw)

6 Someone give Fungusboy a cigar

Posted by: Skip at May 02, 2021 06:01 PM (Cxk7w)

7
remember when commie 7.62x39 was only $69 per case?

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 02, 2021 06:05 PM (bTQ72)

8 Yay, a new gun thread.

Once again we reap the harvest of another week of Weasel work!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 06:06 PM (tkyK5)

9 bang!
bang bang bang!

*and snick! coz nic*

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at May 02, 2021 06:06 PM (GBZnB)

10 Drive by shooting in my one stop sign town in the Brazos today. 100 people live here and one asshole shows up. The infection is terminal I think.

Posted by: Only Context at May 02, 2021 06:06 PM (xEIoY)

11 lotta good content up there !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at May 02, 2021 06:07 PM (ErSvT)

12 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 06:06 PM (tkyK5)
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Howdy, bro! I owe you a couple of emails.

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:07 PM (MVjcR)

13 ya know, this thread deserves a special nic

Posted by: vmom affix bayonet at May 02, 2021 06:07 PM (GBZnB)

14 Interesting weapon that Attitude fellow has.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 02, 2021 06:07 PM (1ENjc)

15 Weasel!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 02, 2021 06:07 PM (kTF2Z)

16 All right!! Pew pew thread time!!
As the picture above shows I was at the range on Saturday with CBD. Finally got the rifle zeroed at 100. I started at the top left of the target. The first shot you can see hit off the squares left and in the middle. Adjusted scope, 2nd shot hit right where it says 3R at the top of the target. Adjusted scope one more time and you can see the results.

Shot the target in a clockwise fashion and called it a day after shooting the center of the target.
Was good getting the scope and rifle zeroed but it was even better that I was outside and not working!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 02, 2021 06:08 PM (mcfjc)

17 7
remember when commie 7.62x39 was only $69 per case?

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 02, 2021 06:05 PM


Yes, but we now have a lot more Commies in the U.S., so the law of supply and demand must be honored!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 06:08 PM (tkyK5)

18 Hey everybody. Hey gun thread! Hey Weasel!

Apologies for bringing it up but I'm sure by now everyone caught Mitt getting booed in Utah. I hear on his way down from the podium he muttered "you can't boo me, I'm your better!!"

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 02, 2021 06:09 PM (L2ZTs)

19 14 Interesting weapon that Attitude fellow has.

Posted by: Braenyard

"my scope is happy to see you"

Posted by: vmom affix bayonet at May 02, 2021 06:09 PM (GBZnB)

20 Just checking in back in a bit

McGyver,out

Posted by: McGyver at May 02, 2021 06:10 PM (pH2Ms)

21 No shooting this week, next week, or the next several weeks at least. Everything is in boxes getting ready to move later this month. I did manage to order some VV powder this week thanks to a Moron (whig, I think) who heads-up an Art Thread when he spotted some in-stock. I tried to grab an 8# jug but between the time I put it in my cart and the time I went downstairs to get my credit card and click the checkout button, it was gone.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 02, 2021 06:10 PM (qc+VF)

22 No range trip this week. Tragic.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 06:10 PM (llXky)

23 Posted by: vmom affix bayonet at May 02, 2021 06:09 PM (GBZnB)
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I've had little yellow smiley face stickers on my match gun scopes for years. Still makes me laugh!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:11 PM (MVjcR)

24 Watching those M1 videos makes me want to own one even more. One day.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 02, 2021 06:12 PM (mcfjc)

25 22 No range trip this week. Tragic.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 06:10 PM (llXky)

Somebody put a crimp in our plans!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at May 02, 2021 06:12 PM (Dc2NZ)

26 Still waiting for my replacement pistol from Taurus. Sent the faulty one back in late Jan. I guess there's a big back order on them.

Posted by: That Guy What Always says Yeah Buddy TM at May 02, 2021 06:13 PM (R5lpX)

27 How about some for the manure chitting media?

AZ Audit Director Ken Bennett

Press Are Taking Photos of License Plates, Faces, Name Badges

in Arena Parking Lot Audit Workers Afraid They Will Be Doxxed by Media

Gateway Pundit

Posted by: Corner Stone at May 02, 2021 06:13 PM (Oy2Ew)

28 Howdy Duke!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:13 PM (MVjcR)

29 Based on my regular sweeps, ammo prices are falling slightly, supply is increasing.
Gun prices are...volatile. It seems to depend entirely on perceived supply. When the auctions start to disappear, people will pay a lot extra.

One thing that has me scratching my head is the sudden surge in the price of Spanish Ruby pistols. These things were generally cheap and stayed that way. The supply dried up and people started paying three or four times as much.

I guess when you want a Ruby, you want it NOW.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 06:14 PM (llXky)

30 6 Someone give Fungusboy a cigar
Posted by: Skip at May 02, 2021 06:01 PM (Cxk7w)

There's a fungus among us?

Posted by: ALH, Sister Golden Hair at May 02, 2021 06:14 PM (oUcR5)

31 Watching those M1 videos makes me want to own one even more. One day.

It's kind of like land -- they ain't making any more of it. Well, "they" (the commercial Springfield Armory, not the real Springfield Armory) are, but you don't want one of those; you want a USGI one.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 02, 2021 06:14 PM (qc+VF)

32 My buddy and I were at the range Friday plinking with our Ruger 10/22s. We were shooting at clay pigeon parts lying on a berm at 40 yrds or so. The game was to call your shot. If you missed the other guy cleaned it up with his shot. You got bragging rights for cleaning up. As we went along, the parts kept getting smaller.

When we started, the wind was 10 mph or so. By the time we were taking our last shots the wind was gusting up to 25 mph and almost blowing our rifles off target! Alot of fun just plinking with 22's!

I enjoy the gun thread!

Posted by: Zogger at May 02, 2021 06:14 PM (MLYWC)

33 Howdy, bro! I owe you a couple of emails.

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:07 PM


No worries - it is all small stuff for when you get caught up on life.

I have been putting in crushing long hours at work. However, as AC/DC would sing, I'm "Back in Black".

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 06:14 PM (tkyK5)

34 Evening.

Found this link via Insty. Haven't read it but it seems relevant to our interests.

https://tinyurl.com/mejp3sr5

Recoilweb.com - Spare me! Should you even bother to carry a reload?

Posted by: Robert at May 02, 2021 06:14 PM (1Yy3c)

35 23 the little green monster happy face that Larry Correia uses for his Monster Hunter books would be cute too

https://www.cafepress.com/monster_hunters

Posted by: vmom affix bayonet at May 02, 2021 06:15 PM (GBZnB)

36 I thought it was interesting that that .22 LR had been marked down from 3.79 cents per round to 2.77 cents.

Also, does anyone remember Hecks? I sure as heck don't and don't even remember where I got that box of .22.

Posted by: f, just f at May 02, 2021 06:16 PM (Tnijr)

37 Went to shoot my 1894 Marlin in 45 colt, sent 40 rounds downrange at a cost of $80.00. $2.00 a round is getting ridiculous. I can't find ammo for it anywhere here and ordering it online is getting close to $3.00 a round for decent stuff if you can find it.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 02, 2021 06:16 PM (JUOKG)

38 i have an article on dangerous ammo mismatches i keep forgetting to forward...

but, then again, you hardly ever use much of the torrent i do submit...


Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it. at May 02, 2021 06:16 PM (n0ufP)

39 Posted by: vmom affix bayonet at May 02, 2021 06:15 PM (GBZnB)
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WeaselWoman had a big sheet of them out sticking them on notes to her pre-schoolers and I was getting my rifles ready for a match. One thing led to another...

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:17 PM (MVjcR)

40
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 02, 2021 06:17 PM (DUIap)

41 It's kind of like land -- they ain't making any more
of it. Well, "they" (the commercial Springfield Armory, not the real
Springfield Armory) are, but you don't want one of those; you want a
USGI one.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 02, 2021 06:14 PM (qc+VF)

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The supply is generally fixed (we do get lend-lease turn-ins from time to time), but demand can vary greatly.

Look at .40 caliber pistols (and ammo). Both once commanded a premium but now, 9mm is king. During the worst of the gun shortage, you could find high-end pistols in .40 at reasonable prices because the demand was so low.

Is the next generation going to value the Garand?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 06:17 PM (llXky)

42 Ian at "Forgotten Weapons" did a nice break down on the .50 cal incident and how gun manufacturers have built in safe guards/pressure relief items into their rifles and pistols over the years.

https://tinyurl.com/27z8cdb3

The Serbu gun apparently had no such safe guards but I am sure Mark Serbu, who is a stand up guy, will work on that in the future.

Meanwhile, wear your safety glasses and use proper ammo.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 02, 2021 06:18 PM (R/m4+)

43 What scuba dude said

Posted by: Skip at May 02, 2021 06:18 PM (Cxk7w)

44 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 06:14 PM (tkyK5)
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We'll catch up soon.

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:18 PM (MVjcR)

45 I had a good day at the range. I finally got both new bullets working properly and fed a 25 round mag of each through both rifles.

Posted by: ck at May 02, 2021 06:18 PM (iBg56)

46
Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it. at May 02, 2021 06:16 PM (n0ufP)
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Send it along! Thanks

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:19 PM (MVjcR)

47 Is the next generation going to value the Garand?

Maybe, maybe not. I can't speak for scuba_dude, but I can't wait that long for prices to come down.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 02, 2021 06:20 PM (qc+VF)

48 Hey gun thread. How are you?

Posted by: blaster at May 02, 2021 06:21 PM (ZfRYq)

49 37 Went to shoot my 1894 Marlin in 45 colt, sent 40 rounds downrange at a cost of $80.00. $2.00 a round is getting ridiculous. I can't find ammo for it anywhere here and ordering it online is getting close to $3.00 a round for decent stuff if you can find it.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 02, 2021 06:16 PM


New Moron business opportunity. Build a shooting range and install water traps behind the paper targets. Sell the recovered bullets back cheap to your regulars that reload. Win-win for everybody!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 06:21 PM (tkyK5)

50 Howdy blaster!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:21 PM (MVjcR)

51 The second best thing about the gun show at Dulles is you are about 2 minutes to Willard's where the pulled pork sammiches are to die for!

Posted by: Diogenes at May 02, 2021 06:21 PM (axyOa)

52 The Serbu gun apparently had no such safe guards but
I am sure Mark Serbu, who is a stand up guy, will work on that in the
future.



Meanwhile, wear your safety glasses and use proper ammo.


Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 02, 2021 06:18 PM (R/m4+)

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I'm kind of surprised that it didn't. It wouldn't have added much to the price to take those two little bits and reinforce them and then add an angled piece of steel in between to act as a gas/bolt deflector.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 06:21 PM (llXky)

53 expended 5 precious rounds last week on spontaneous target shooting ... was hiking really remote spot and saw two beercans left there by a previous passerby. quick assessment: good backstops both near and far, clear line of sight, unoccupied, no parked cars at trailhead ... draw, fire 2 at can A, 3 at can B, reload.
at 9 paces, one hit on each can, deemed acceptable.
put the cans in the plastic grocery bag I usually carry when hiking and went on my way.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at May 02, 2021 06:22 PM (ErSvT)

54 Having had my very own ka-boom, I heartily second Weasels recommendation on PPE. And I wear plugs and muffs. And my glasses and my eye pro over them. This is why I am not missing an eye nor exactly deaf

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at May 02, 2021 06:22 PM (pH2Ms)

55 Howdy Weasel! Howdy heavily armed Moron Horde! In a roundabout way, this may apply to One Eyed Cat. I watched a Military Arms video about .380 being a good carry gun and the commentator wanted to show the difference between (expensive) self defense rounds and (not so expensive) ball ammo. He fired into ballistic gel from about 2 to 4 feet to show the penetration. The self defense ammo only penetrated about 8-10 inches with very small cavitation wounds. The ball ammo penetrated 14-16 inches with a large cavitation wound. He mentioned that the FIB recommends 12 inches. I may have to rethink my carry ammo.

Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at May 02, 2021 06:23 PM (VNmG1)

56 Glad Scuba dude is on our side.

Posted by: Infidel at May 02, 2021 06:23 PM (E0OEG)

57 I *really* need to get to the range. I have some weapons to check out, and some gewgaws to test. Of course, I can't test everything because outdoor ranges are few and far-between in my immediate area and nobody's gonna let me fire my 12ga inside.

BTW, what's everyone's opinion on Midway USA? They sell lots of gear, AND guns and ammo. I've purchased some gear and some ammo from them. Generally found it to be price competitive. (I picked up colored plastic ammo boxes, and have now color-coded my ammo storage by caliber. Yes, I know, for some of you there aren't enough colors on the palette for you to do that....)

If everyone thinks it's a decent place to buy, maybe add it to Weasel's list of ammo guys up there.

Posted by: GWB at May 02, 2021 06:23 PM (2orQs)

58 I'm kind of surprised that it didn't. It wouldn't have added much to the price to take those two little bits and reinforce them and then add an angled piece of steel in between to act as a gas/bolt deflector.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 06:21 PM (llXky)

Concur. Hatcher Hole FTW!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 02, 2021 06:24 PM (R/m4+)

59 I have an idle question - anyone here good at knife throwing?

Posted by: vmom affix bayonet at May 02, 2021 06:24 PM (GBZnB)

60 If you are unsure, ask someone more experienced, and go home with ten fingers and two eyeballs.

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What do I do with his fingers and eyeballs when I get home? Or is that more a question for the Food thread?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 02, 2021 06:24 PM (kTF2Z)

61 Also noticing ammo prices down. Local armslist has many more listings and subsequent lower prices. It's almost as if supply and demand are elastic or something.

Posted by: blaster at May 02, 2021 06:24 PM (ZfRYq)

62 Gub Thread! Is goob.

Posted by: RI Red at May 02, 2021 06:24 PM (8q3LH)

63 Posted by: Zogger at May 02, 2021 06:14 PM (MLYWC)
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Plinking is a lot of fun, and happy to hear you're enjoying the Gun Thread. Welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:24 PM (MVjcR)

64 bought 100 rounds of 300 ACC this AM for just over $200, delivered. might have found it a tad cheaper elsewhere, but we've been doing business with surplusammo.com for years now. good people, great customer service, and competitive prices. and, in the good old days, they often had spectacular special deals as well.

plus they already have my FFL and COE on file, so i know it will ship ASAP.

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it. at May 02, 2021 06:24 PM (n0ufP)

65 Honest, didn't read the comments so far (SOP for here, right?), so, not cheating.

Weasel's advice on not shooting stout .357 Mag rounds a lot is based mostly on the possible effects on the revolver. Top-strap erosion, primarily. Also, over time, "shjooting it loose" - though that can be fixed.

I'd add a whole different layer of doubts the marginal value of .357 Mag for home defense, but that's a can of differently colored horses, or barrel of different worms, or something like that.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 06:25 PM (OTzUX)

66 The self defense ammo only penetrated about 8-10
inches with very small cavitation wounds. The ball ammo penetrated 14-16
inches with a large cavitation wound. He mentioned that the FIB
recommends 12 inches. I may have to rethink my carry ammo.


Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at May 02, 2021 06:23 PM (VNmG1)

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Yes, there are some rounds that are hot enough to make hollow point pretty much obligatory. Magnums, for example. But the smaller autoloaders really don't have the juice to benefit from it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 06:25 PM (llXky)

67 Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 02, 2021 06:24 PM (kTF2Z)
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Ha!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:26 PM (MVjcR)

68 Made it to to range finally last week. Three carry pistols, maybe 100 rounds total. Good practice session with no malfunctions. Before I went I thought to myself " if I have time to go to the range, then I have time enough to go do work at the church". So guess where I'm going this week.

Thanks for my favorite thread of the week!

Posted by: Pod Hamp at May 02, 2021 06:27 PM (RBFmA)

69 you want a USGI one.
Posted by: Oddbob at May 02, 2021 06:14 PM (qc+VF)


Yes. I want one. But I haven't invented am electronic gossip corner, so I can't afford one.

Yet.
I hope.

Posted by: GWB at May 02, 2021 06:27 PM (2orQs)

70 BTW, what's everyone's opinion on Midway USA? They sell lots of gear, AND guns and ammo.

I expect them to any day now offer to put me on a payroll deduction plan. It'll hurt less if I never see the $ in my bank account.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 02, 2021 06:27 PM (qc+VF)

71 Also noticing ammo prices down. Local armslist has
many more listings and subsequent lower prices. It's almost as if supply
and demand are elastic or something.


Posted by: blaster at May 02, 2021 06:24 PM (ZfRYq)

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A friend told me he saw Remington ammunition in a local store. Been absent for quite a while. Nice to see it coming back.


Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 06:28 PM (llXky)

72 59 I have an idle question - anyone here good at knife throwing?

Posted by: vmom affix bayonet at May 02, 2021 06:24 PM


We used to impale dead leaves on the ground, but I'm sure our technique was atrocious.

I would stick with your bayonet, if I was you!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 06:28 PM (tkyK5)

73 Love love love the WWII instructional films on small arms. Have mentioned them before. For many reasons. One thing I've noted is the "literacy" of the narration, vs. what one often sees today. Gee, what a surprise.

There's one WWII instruction film I find very well done, recommend it to anyone seeking a basic explanation/illustration of the different firearm actions (manual, semi-automatic, full automatic).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcVeslwTvAw

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 06:28 PM (OTzUX)

74 Wow! I like that top photo. Looks familiar. For some reason.

Posted by: Eromero at May 02, 2021 06:28 PM (0OP+5)

75 Midway is fine, maybe not always the best deals on ammo.

Posted by: f, just f at May 02, 2021 06:28 PM (Tnijr)

76 Bwah? .357 may be the most versatile cartridge/platform ever. If I could only choose one, .357 would probably be it. Will handle everything from powder puff .38 loads to take small game, and with full power cartridges out of a rifle will approach .30-30 rifle velocities.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2021 06:29 PM (IG8lb)

77 Hey, I'm here.
No range report as I have not yet had an opportunity to shoot the new rifle. Did have a productive week though as Iris and I found a place to take the handgun course required before you can buy a handgun in Md. it is at 7:30 am on a Sunday morning but everything done in 4 hours including the shooting part at the end. $60 and a month of free range time or for an extra $110, full year's worth of range time. Only catch is whether they have ammo.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 02, 2021 06:29 PM (sd8p8)

78 So I put some glass on the scout and a couple of things about that first the scope rings occlude the iron sights which are a rear ghost ring and a fairly tall front fiber optic blade.

There is a channel down the center of the rail that allows you to use the iron sights supposedly. Yeah you can line up the base of the front sight in the ghost ring I don't think that will work. I got some higher rings with cutouts in the base but also no go. Those are too high. It's like I need rings that clamp on the rail but have longer legs if you will.

Posted by: blaster at May 02, 2021 06:29 PM (ZfRYq)

79 BTW, what's everyone's opinion on Midway USA? They sell lots of gear, AND guns and ammo.

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I've always felt their shipping prices offfset any savings on the items you're buying.

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:29 PM (MVjcR)

80 Rex Tibor brought up the fact that Sabot rounds are not supposed to be used with muzzle brakes. There's a good possibility that plastic from the sabot accumulated on the inside of the brake, causing an obstruction. I saw Mark Serbu also, they're going to figure it out.

Posted by: ck at May 02, 2021 06:29 PM (iBg56)

81 Speaking of weapons of war, after the Civil War Northern troops who were mustering out were allowed to buy the weapon they won the war with for $1.50 with as much ammo as they could carry home, a whole bunch of them did. The same thing happened after the Spanish American War to a limited extent.


After WWII and Korea garands started coming on the market through the CMP and the surplus market, the weapon that won the war according to general Patton who said....... "In my opinion, the M1 rifle is the greatest battle implement ever devised."

Irony can be pretty ironic at times, yet here we are.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 02, 2021 06:29 PM (JUOKG)

82 Recoilweb.com - Spare me! Should you even bother to carry a reload?

Posted by: Robert at May 02, 2021 06:14 PM (1Yy3c)

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one of my maxims for life is: "better to have, and not need, than to need, and not have." can't CCW, because #Failifornia, but if we evacuate to a free state, i'll carry a spare, when indicated by the current THREATCON of where i am, or traveling through.

YMMV

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it. at May 02, 2021 06:30 PM (n0ufP)

83 Weather permitting, I'll finally get to go shooting late this coming week. Got my *signed* medical release, effective Wednesday.

I think I'll arrange it as a .22 LR outing. Rifle n' pistol. Some shootintherapy by means of celebration!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 02, 2021 06:30 PM (QzJWU)

84 saw that thing at Insty, Robert; didn't click it. Futile.

I am not gonna be talked out of carrying at least one reload, more likely 2 or 3, and I don't need encouragement so no use in reading it, at all.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at May 02, 2021 06:30 PM (ErSvT)

85 I'd add a whole different layer of doubts the
marginal value of .357 Mag for home defense, but that's a can of
differently colored horses, or barrel of different worms, or something
like that.



Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 06:25 PM (OTzUX)

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The great thing about .357 Magnum is the flexibility you get. Or at least used to. You could put cheap, easily available .38 special through it most of the time but every now and then go annihilate some water jugs.

Not sure you want to fire it indoors though.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 06:31 PM (llXky)

86 Hey - anyone here know stuff about antique Japanese blades?

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:31 PM (MVjcR)

87 I've always felt their shipping prices offfset any savings on the items you're buying.

Yeah. They used to occasionally offer free shipping or free hazmat but since everything is is high demand, they haven't had to do that lately.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 02, 2021 06:32 PM (qc+VF)

88 ya know, this thread deserves a special nic
Posted by: vmom affix bayonet at May 02, 2021 06:07 PM


And, of course, being special special, it's one o' them there chainsaw bayonets, beloved by DiFi, amirite?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 02, 2021 06:32 PM (DMUuz)

89 Also I need to zero the rifle with the scope. I usually shoot at NRA HQ and I thought for whatever reason that you can't shoot .308 there but turns out you can. So I need to make a range date!

Posted by: blaster at May 02, 2021 06:33 PM (ZfRYq)

90 Posted by: GWB at May 02, 2021 06:23 PM (2orQs)

I've never bought ammo from Midway, but I've bought plenty of everything else, from bullet molds to lower kits. I think they are, in every way, a standup organization. I recommend them bigly.

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at May 02, 2021 06:33 PM (C1NyB)

91 Hey - anyone here know stuff about antique Japanese blades?

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:31 PM (MVjcR)

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They are old. That's it. That's what I know.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 06:33 PM (llXky)

92 Yes. I want one. But I haven't invented am electronic gossip corner, so I can't afford one.

Yet.
I hope.
Posted by: GWB at May 02, 2021 06:27 PM


If you do invent a "gossip corner" where the Left can't censor Republicans and Big Tech can't block your internet access - then you will be a billionaire!

Then you can be like Oprah and give all of the Morons a Garand.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 06:34 PM (tkyK5)

93 Many a year ago, when I was actively shooting (not an active shooter), I loaded an old Krag 30/40 round into my trusty 30/40 and, upon firing it, burned the tip of my nose due to a burned out case. Retired the rest of that lot. No permanent damage, just some mild embarrassment.

For some reason the term "Active Shooter" really chaps my ass.

Posted by: Javems at May 02, 2021 06:34 PM (8SSHh)

94 Hey - anyone here know stuff about antique Japanese blades?
Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:31 PM


The details recorded on the tang as to how it was 'tested' can be, um, interesting.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 02, 2021 06:34 PM (DMUuz)

95 Press Are Taking Photos of License Plates, Faces, Name Badges

in Arena Parking Lot Audit Workers Afraid They Will Be Doxxed by Media

Gateway Pundit
Posted by: Corner Stone at May 02, 2021 06:13 PM (Oy2Ew)
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Umm. Yeah.
When that happens, the reporter gets his/her picture taken. And followed to his/her vehicle. More photos.
Sauce...goose...gander.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 02, 2021 06:34 PM (axyOa)

96 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 06:33 PM (llXky)
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They can be surprisingly old, or so I am finding. I'll put something on it in the thread next Sunday.

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:34 PM (MVjcR)

97 And I ordered a hard case. Should have it this week. It is an Eylar 38 inch wheeled tsa approved. I should be able to handle it and a rolling carryon. I like to be self sufficient at the airport.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 02, 2021 06:34 PM (sd8p8)

98 I heard that unlike the Army, where soldiers are issued a rifle from their assigned unit armsroom and thus will have numerous different weapons in their career, the Marines are assigned a weapon that follows them to their different assignments. Don't know if that's true or not. It sounds good, though.

Military personnel should have the option to purchase their rifle, or maybe be awarded it and take home. Of course the government doesn't really trust their personnel. If they were serious about terrorism and the rest of it, they would be giving them away.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2021 06:35 PM (IG8lb)

99 Went used car shopping with Mrs. SOB this afternoon, came home with a new (to us) Nissan Rogue (WTH, she fell in love with it. Me - not so much). Anyhow, now I have to figure out where to install the Prepcision Quickdraw magnetic pistol holder for her traveling gun. Haven't found a handy spot yet.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at May 02, 2021 06:35 PM (bAe71)

100 I've always felt their shipping prices offfset any savings on the items you're buying.
Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:29 PM (MVjcR)


Good point on that. I got spoiled by catching a couple of "free shipping" deals, I think. Ammo isn't cheap to ship, and there's no options for shipping.

Posted by: GWB at May 02, 2021 06:35 PM (2orQs)

101 yeah, same here: old, and even the most mundane of real ones go for a lot of money ... exceptional ones, wow.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at May 02, 2021 06:35 PM (ErSvT)

102
The details recorded on the tang as to how it was 'tested' can be, um, interesting.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 02, 2021 06:34 PM (DMUuz)
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Yup. Even the pattern of file marks in an unmarked blade contain info.

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:36 PM (MVjcR)

103 2 more weeks and I will be up in New Hampshire attending classes at the Sig Academy. Will look to pick up 9mm ammo at the pro shop there. When I was there last August the prices seemed pretty reasonable but I was limited to 250 rounds per day.
And with luck I will might be attempting to hit steel at 1000 yards when I meet up with RI Red at his range. Hope it does not take to long, I see $$$ every time I pull that trigger. LOL

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 02, 2021 06:36 PM (mcfjc)

104 We used to play chicken as kids. Face you opponent about 10 ft away. throw a knife as close to their foot as possible. (In the grass.) Opponent has to step to touch the knife to pick it out of the ground. Over and over until you get stabbed or last man standing.

Good times.

Posted by: Infidel at May 02, 2021 06:37 PM (E0OEG)

105 I'll give Midway a 2 thumbs up. Most of the mornings this week they put up 22lr for 10 to 12 cents a round and it lasted an hour or so. They also had primers up for 7 cents momentarily but I missed them.

Posted by: ck at May 02, 2021 06:37 PM (iBg56)

106 didn't click it. Futile.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at May 02, 2021 06:30 PM (ErSvT)


It's actually not telling you to not carry a reload. It discusses the reasons to carry one, even though most people will never shoot enough rounds defensively to need the extra ammo. (They also mention that SOMEone wins the lotto despite the odds.)

Posted by: GWB at May 02, 2021 06:38 PM (2orQs)

107 Only three muscles to pull the trigger. Always figured snipers were lazy.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 02, 2021 06:38 PM (axyOa)

108 anyone here know stuff about antique Japanese blades?
Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:31 PM (MVjcR)


Most of them aren't as antique as they claim to be, it seems.

Posted by: GWB at May 02, 2021 06:38 PM (2orQs)

109 " ...

Then you can be like Oprah and give all of the Morons a Garand.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 06:34 PM (tkyK5) "


funny, that's close to what I was thinking after the last time I bought a powerball ticket ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at May 02, 2021 06:39 PM (ErSvT)

110 Lead shot is prohibited for waterfowl hunting, you must use steel shot.

Is there a ban of lead bullets in the future?

Posted by: davidt at May 02, 2021 06:39 PM (pnSY9)

111 Weasel, I had a duh moment. My long shots were going high. I went back to the ballistics program (Litz) and went to the next page. Duh, enter distance and actual MOA hold to adjust program.
Ding, at 1008 and 1106.

Posted by: RI Red at May 02, 2021 06:39 PM (8q3LH)

112 I heard that unlike the Army, where soldiers are issued a rifle from their assigned unit armsroom and thus will have numerous different weapons in their career, the Marines are assigned a weapon that follows them to their different assignments. Don't know if that's true or not. It sounds good, though.

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Wasn't true when I was in the Corps. 85-91

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 02, 2021 06:39 PM (kTF2Z)

113 101 yeah, same here: old, and even the most mundane of real ones go for a lot of money ... exceptional ones, wow.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at May 02, 2021 06:35 PM (ErSvT)
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Yep! If you really want sticker shock, look at the prices to polish the blade by someone who knows what they're doing.

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:40 PM (MVjcR)

114 Then you can be like Oprah and give all of the Morons a Garand.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 06:34 PM (tkyK5)


Oh yeah! Now THERE is a dream!

Posted by: GWB at May 02, 2021 06:40 PM (2orQs)

115 97 Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 02, 2021 06:34 PM (sd8p

I picked up a Pelican case last year when I decided to go to the TXMoMe. It fit my rifle, scope and bipod and also my handgun and 4 mags. It is wheeled and VERY sturdy. And getting through the airports with it and my luggage was easy.

I will be using the same case this year when I visit Texas in October. Only difference is that I will be driving.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 02, 2021 06:41 PM (mcfjc)

116
104 We used to play chicken as kids. Face you opponent about 10 ft away. throw a knife as close to their foot as possible. (In the grass.) Opponent has to step to touch the knife to pick it out of the ground. Over and over until you get stabbed or last man standing.

Good times.
Posted by: Infidel at May 02, 2021 06:37 PM (E0OEG)

Same here.
This is when I learned my older brother was an asshole.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 02, 2021 06:41 PM (axyOa)

117 Is there a ban of lead bullets in the future?

I'm sure they'll try. If they can't stop us outright, they'll do everything they can to harass, inconvenience or increase costs for us.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 02, 2021 06:42 PM (qc+VF)

118 Posted by: RI Red at May 02, 2021 06:39 PM (8q3LH)
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Might need your help teaching the rifle clinic!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:42 PM (MVjcR)

119 Very good range day this past week. Took good friends to the range, weather was perfect, and a good flexible RO I am familiar with was running the range I wanted, which was available (during the week it's often rented out to military/police). 50 yds. Hung some steel plates at the mountain (the "berm" is the cut side of a hill), put up various paper targets, and some shoot-n-sees, at different ranges.

Couple is planning to spend a few years doing the round-the-US trailer lifestyle starting in a year or two, and one item is for them to "gun up" for this. They're semi-new to gunz.

Model 60 revolver (357/3, CZ-83 (380ACP), XD9 (9mm), M&P 22 pistol (22LR) for handguns, M1 carbine, and a Mossberg 500 pump (which is the early favorite for their travel gun).

Good time was had by all. Lots of brass emptied. Good craft beer and BBQ to follow completed a perfect day.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 06:42 PM (OTzUX)

120 Speaking of incoming...

Huge rocket looks set for uncontrolled reentry following Chinese space station launch

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 02, 2021 06:44 PM (pAjZN)

121 We used to play chicken as kids. Face you opponent
about 10 ft away. throw a knife as close to their foot as possible.
(In the grass.) Opponent has to step to touch the knife to pick it out
of the ground. Over and over until you get stabbed or last man
standing.



Good times.

Posted by: Infidel at May 02, 2021 06:37 PM
We used to have bb gun wars when I was a kid in the 60s and our parents knew about it. Only rule was no head shots. I can not imagine what would happen now if a bunch of kids were running around the woods with bb guns shooting each other. Armageddon....Ragnarok.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 02, 2021 06:44 PM (JUOKG)

122 If they were serious about terrorism and the rest of it, they would be giving them away.
Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2021 06:35 PM (IG8lb)


If they were serious about the Constitution, freedom and equality, they'd be subsidizing firearms instead of abortions.

Posted by: GWB at May 02, 2021 06:44 PM (2orQs)

123 The state of Iowa, of which I am occasionally a member, has removed the requirement (as of 1 July) to obtain a permit to CCW.

Does this apply to knives? Open carry of knife is legal in Iowa. In fact, every knife is legal in Iowa except balisong or butterfly knives, pretty much. Though only for open carry.

But "weapons" and "arms" include but are not limited to handguns. I'd think that can swords, formerly unlawful, would become legal.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2021 06:44 PM (IG8lb)

124 funny, that's close to what I was thinking after the last time I bought a powerball ticket ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at May 02, 2021 06:39 PM


Agreed. If I win, the next MoMe would be EPIC!

OTOH, based upon our treatment at the Texas MoMe, I believe the generosity of Ben Had and Rancher Bob is about the equivalent of profligate lottery winner!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 06:45 PM (tkyK5)

125 If they were serious about the Constitution, freedom and equality, they'd be subsidizing firearms instead of abortions.



Posted by: GWB at May 02, 2021 06:44 PM (2orQs)

This *1,000

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 02, 2021 06:45 PM (mcfjc)

126 On 357 Mag - I was referring only to use in "home defense" scenarios, where I have real questions about need/appropriateness. Every revolver I own is 357 Mag, out of which only moderate loads are fired (I use 357 brass for the snubs, just to move the carbon ring a bit forward in the cylinders). As noted by others, 357 Mag revolvers make great platforms for 38 special, due to weight.

I've fired a few "let's see what it's like" 357 Mag rounds out of each revolver. Not so bad in the Model 66 or Colt King Cobra snub, but "no thanks" in the Magnum Carry or Model 60.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 06:45 PM (OTzUX)

127 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 06:45 PM (tkyK5)

Will we be seeing you in October?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 02, 2021 06:46 PM (mcfjc)

128 "122 If they were serious about terrorism and the rest of it, they would be giving them away.
Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2021 06:35 PM (IG8lb)

If they were serious about the Constitution, freedom and equality, they'd be subsidizing firearms instead of abortions.

Posted by: GWB at May 02, 2021 06:44 PM (2orQs) "


bofa deez !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at May 02, 2021 06:47 PM (ErSvT)

129 Lead shot is prohibited for waterfowl hunting, you must use steel shot.
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Bismuth?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 02, 2021 06:47 PM (pbStR)

130 Ding, at 1008 and 1106.

Posted by: RI Red at May 02, 2021 06:39 PM


Dang on that Ding, Red. That is some mighty fine shooting!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 06:47 PM (tkyK5)

131
Dang on that Ding, Red. That is some mighty fine shooting!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 06:47 PM (tkyK5)
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Sure is!!!!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:48 PM (MVjcR)

132 But "weapons" and "arms" include but are not limited to handguns. I'd think that can swords, formerly unlawful, would become legal.
Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2021 06:44 PM (IG8lb)

Good point. I would like to see the carrying of swords return as a manly man kind of thing, scabbard and all.

You may be on to something....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 02, 2021 06:48 PM (R/m4+)

133 Bismuth?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
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I believe that several states have banned lead wheel weights.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 02, 2021 06:49 PM (pbStR)

134 Kind of gun related, 6" military surplus bore sight only $350.

bit.ly/3ebUckv

There is so much cool stuff on this site, most not gun related.

Posted by: f, just f at May 02, 2021 06:49 PM (Tnijr)

135 The Pelican case was really expensive and hard to find. I must have read reviews on 50 cases. This is a double rifle case so will hold other guns should or rather when I acquire them. Should definitely have the handgun I am waiting on by October.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 02, 2021 06:49 PM (sd8p8)

136 Used the Ammoseek link above to get 160 rounds of Federal .308 175gr for a total of $311.00. Having it shipped to CBD as NYC and NYS frowns upon ammo being delivered to ones door.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 02, 2021 06:50 PM (mcfjc)

137 On 357 Mag - I was referring only to use in "home defense" scenarios, where I have real questions about need/appropriateness.

R. Lee Ermey: "WHAT are your questions?"

Anything wirth shooting, I reckon a .357 would be damn appropriate. I wouldn't look forward to it, but it should most certainly do the job.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2021 06:50 PM (IG8lb)

138 And also went to the handgun match yesterday. First time in a year or more that I fired the Model 66. Match is revolver-friendly. Did OK. Match was not as good as the one a few weeks ago, but better than those last year that had led me to skip many of them (too low a round count, not interesting enough, not much movement).

Next is a mixed shotgun/centerfire rifle match, will probably take one of the M1s, but been a while since I used a Mosin in that match, that used to be amusing.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 06:50 PM (OTzUX)

139 legal in Iowa except balisong or butterfly knives, pretty much.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2021 06:44 PM (IG8lb)


And, again, the question becomes "Why?" And the only real reason for banning most of the sorts of knives (and things like 'chuks or knuckles) is they are used by scary people who like to commit illegal violence. So ban them and no more scary people committing illegal violence, right?

People really can be mighty stupid.

Posted by: GWB at May 02, 2021 06:50 PM (2orQs)

140 *PING!*


Ahhh, music to my ears.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 02, 2021 06:50 PM (0bGEp)

141 Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE MITT ROMNEY at May 02, 2021 06:49 PM (Pzzpr)

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Spicoli thinks you're a dick.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 02, 2021 06:50 PM (kTF2Z)

142 Made the mistake of reading Scott Johnson tonight and his snarky "nothing wrong with an intrusive search warrant even when a court would find that a subpoena would suffice" blog post - you see, Mayor Rudy has no claim in court that such a search was unlawful because there is nothing in that old pesky Constitution that suggests unwarranted search and seizures are a prob...oh, wait a second, there sure as fuck is - its called the 4th amendment!

This is why if I asked for someone to hire me a lawyer to defend me and Scott Johnson walked through the door - I'd stuff that person into a space cannon.

Posted by: Boswell at May 02, 2021 06:51 PM (w2LAm)

143 Ignore it. I'll handle it.

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:51 PM (MVjcR)

144 But "weapons" and "arms" include but are not limited to handguns.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2021 06:44 PM (IG8lb)


In Virginia it's not a generic "concealed weapon" permit, but a "concealed firearm permit", so I still can't carry a sword concealed.

Posted by: GWB at May 02, 2021 06:52 PM (2orQs)

145 118 Posted by: RI Red at May 02, 2021 06:39 PM (8q3LH)
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Might need your help teaching the rifle clinic!
Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:42 PM


Great, now I am going to have to start distance conditioning just to be in good enough shape to set out the last two steel targets at the next Texas MoMe!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 06:52 PM (tkyK5)

146 I heard that unlike the Army, where soldiers are issued a rifle from their assigned unit armsroom and thus will have numerous different weapons in their career, the Marines are assigned a weapon that follows them to their different assignments. Don't know if that's true or not. It sounds good, though.

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Wasn't true when I was in the Corps. 85-91

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You're talking OLD Corps - pre-Great War through the Banana Wars and China Marines. A Marine was issued his '03 in Boot Camp and kept the same one throughout his hitch, or it wore out, or he was promotoed to Staff NCO.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at May 02, 2021 06:53 PM (bAe71)

147 Think I watched that Garand loading video years ago. If you look at the WWII training films, it's pretty clear. The bolt only starts forward when you release downward pressure on the clip/follower. Easy and natural to draw thumb up/out of the way in time. Probably every "Garand thumb" in history was the result of a bolt hung up on the follower, not really locked back, moving forward.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 06:54 PM (OTzUX)

148 149 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 06:52 PM (tkyK5)

C'mon!! Your a young guy! Whats another 300 yards or so? :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 02, 2021 06:54 PM (mcfjc)

149 Scuba Dude, are you reloading? that's one of the best things about shooting 308.

Posted by: ck at May 02, 2021 06:54 PM (iBg56)

150 Great, now I am going to have to start distance conditioning just to be in good enough shape to set out the last two steel targets at the next Texas MoMe!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 06:52 PM (tkyK5)


Why don't you just stand down there then? Save you the walk.

Posted by: blaster at May 02, 2021 06:55 PM (ZfRYq)

151 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 06:52 PM (tkyK5)


That's what golf carts are for, man! (Or horses.)

Posted by: GWB at May 02, 2021 06:55 PM (2orQs)

152 The Pelican case was really expensive and hard to find.

Harbor Freight sells Chinese knock-offs of Pelican. I haven't used one myself but they seem to be not total crap* and a whole lot cheaper.

* Yeah, there's an endorsement for ya. But $s is $s.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 02, 2021 06:56 PM (qc+VF)

153 140 *PING!*


Ahhh, music to my ears.
Posted by: Sharkman at May 02, 2021 06:50 PM (0bGEp)
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Fun sound, huh?

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:56 PM (MVjcR)

154 Out of curiosity I check ammoseek once a week for reloading components. Powder, and primers, I don't specify brand or even type, just do a universal search. Still getting almost no powder other than black powder substitutes, and there a few primers, at prices that are astounding. PowderValley posted a comment on their site about being offered a zillion primers at the current going rate (about 5 to 10 times the normal price), and passing on the "opportunity".

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 06:57 PM (OTzUX)

155 149 Posted by: ck at May 02, 2021 06:54 PM (iBg56)

No, I am limited on space in my apartment. And to be honest I am a lazy SOB. I will spend the $$$ for new ammo or pay my nephew to reload for me. He has all the equipment for reloading.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 02, 2021 06:58 PM (mcfjc)

156 Posted by: Infidel at May 02, 2021 06:37 PM
We
used to have bb gun wars when I was a kid in the 60s and our parents
knew about it. Only rule was no head shots. I can not imagine what would
happen now if a bunch of kids were running around the woods with bb
guns shooting each other. Armageddon....Ragnarok.


Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 02, 2021 06:44 PM (JUOKG)


When we lived in the city we couldn't afford BB guns so we used Pea Shooters. Used popcorn instead of peas because parents.

Posted by: Javems at May 02, 2021 06:58 PM (8SSHh)

157 *PING!*





Ahhh, music to my ears.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 02, 2021 06:50 PM (0bGEp)



That sound means Roscoe needs more ammo.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 02, 2021 06:59 PM (JUOKG)

158 One of the fun things is people with no exposure hearing the full auto fire at the next range over. There was a Navy ship crew doing their qualifications next door, and there were times we couldn't hear each other talk. Friends were amazed and thrilled at the sweet sound.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 06:59 PM (OTzUX)

159 A cane of proper construction is a pretty dandy weapon, and doesn't alert people or look out of place with those over 29, or scare the womenfolk and horses the way a knife might. I was surprised that open carry of knives is legal in Iowa. I "assumed" they weren't.

For that matter, since no CCW permit for handguns will be necessary shortly, is it safe to conclude that open carry of a handgun is now lawful? Seems to me it must be, by definition, but .. I've no idea.

Open carry seems really misguided, but I like to know what the boundaries are in every event. It's currently lawful on state ground and forests and the like.

Some states have always allowed open carrry since the beginning. Until recently, Vermont had NO laws on handguns as far as I know.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2021 06:59 PM (IG8lb)

160 In Virginia it's not a generic "concealed weapon"
permit, but a "concealed firearm permit", so I still can't carry a sword
concealed.



Posted by: GWB at May 02, 2021 06:52 PM (2orQs)

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I think Kentucky abolished the permit requirement, but back in the 1999 or so, they were one of the few states with an actual "concealed WEAPONS license."

As in any weapon: knife, sword, blackjack, brass knuckles. I really respected that. Michigan has a "concealed pistol license" but also has open carry. Weirdly, until only a few years ago, pepper spray was illegal, as were "spring-operated knives." You could only lawfully own a switchblade if you had a single hand. No kidding, it was in the law, which has since been repealed.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 07:00 PM (llXky)

161 140 *PING!*


Ahhh, music to my ears.

Posted by: Sharkman
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Fun sound, huh?

Posted by: Weasel


The best.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 02, 2021 07:00 PM (0bGEp)

162 *PING!*

Ahhh, music to my ears.
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Fun sound, huh?


I took my Colorado CCW class from an old retired Navy guy. At the indoor range, I found a clip in my bag and said "Hey Bill, name this tune in one note" and dropped it on the concrete floor. His head whipped around with a big ol' smile like my dog hearing a cheese wrapper being opened.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 02, 2021 07:01 PM (qc+VF)

163 127 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 06:45 PM (tkyK5)

Will we be seeing you in October?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 02, 2021 06:46 PM


I sure hope so Scuba! That was a great group of Morons last time.

I have shot my snapcaps at a blank wall a thousand times following Jim's training. I can still see the front sight post move on most of the shots.

If it only takes 3 muscles to pull the trigger, then I have at least 2 muscles that are misbehaving!

I either need significantly more training and/or more bacon. I am not sure more bacon will be the key to improving my shooting - but that's a risk I am willing to take.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 07:01 PM (tkyK5)

164 I had to clear an SKS from a double feed once. Got the rounds out only to watch the bolt fly home on the next "round", my thumb, which was pushing down the mag follower.

SKS thumb wasn't too bad, like a hard pinch.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 02, 2021 07:01 PM (R/m4+)

165 Posted by: Sharkman at May 02, 2021 07:00 PM (0bGEp)
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I like watching the bullet trace to the target and the second and a half wait for the *ping!*

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:02 PM (MVjcR)

166 Thanks to whoever posted the link to the Garand "ping" ringtone here recently. Haven't been able to convert it into MP4 for Apple use, but hope to do so and use it for some kind of notifications, like texts.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 07:02 PM (OTzUX)

167 Hello all you lovely 'ettes and handsome 'rons! I haven't been around much lately, hope everyone is well. I still have no progress to report, but Lord willing, I'll have a range report next week. Schemes, collusions, and machinations are afoot.

Posted by: screaming in digital at May 02, 2021 07:02 PM (kTRt4)

168 Whoa. In case of a misfire it can be cocked by pulling the trigger guard down. whoooo shazam

Posted by: Braenyard at May 02, 2021 07:03 PM (1ENjc)

169 Posted by: screaming in digital at May 02, 2021 07:02 PM (kTRt4)
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Howdy, sid!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:04 PM (MVjcR)

170 Open carry seems really misguided, but I like to
know what the boundaries are in every event. It's currently lawful on
state ground and forests and the like.



Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2021 06:59 PM (IG8lb)

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Michigan had open carry forever but regulated concealed carry in the 1920s because it was felt unfair that you could talk smack and have a hidden pistol if the guy you taunted tried to teach you a lesson.

Later on, it became a political patronage thing, because you had to get the county sheriff and prosecutor to agree to it, so all the politicians had them. There was also no law for revoking them, so corrupt pols with multiple convictions still permits.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 07:04 PM (llXky)

171 Think CMP has service or field grade M1s for sale.

If you really want one, and can afford it (this is the best price for one you'll ever see), get it, now. As AH Lloyd noted above, they ain't makin' no more.*

And don't come whining about CMP requirements, or that'll be 50 extra push-ups. The requirements are easy to meet and there many ways to skin that cat.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 07:05 PM (OTzUX)

172 A cane of proper construction is a pretty dandy
weapon, and doesn't alert people or look out of place with those over
29, or scare the womenfolk and horses the way a knife might. I was
surprised that open carry of knives is legal in Iowa. I "assumed" they
weren't.
Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2021 06:59 PM

When we walk the dogs I always carry a hiking staff. I have had that staff since 1965 when we did the Metro Park walking trails. I call it Thumpy McThump Stick and I have had to use it a time or two on loose dogs that decided they wanted to attack us.


One sharp crack on the body and the problem goes away. I do not understand why so many people here let their dogs roam free. We are literally the rabies capitol of Texas and we do not take chances when we walk our dogs.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 02, 2021 07:06 PM (JUOKG)

173 Weasel, Horde, guns,

Sup?

Posted by: callsign claymore at May 02, 2021 07:06 PM (q3Fww)

174 * actually there are "new" Garands being made from mostly USGI parts, real snazzy numbers, by a few outfits like Fulton Armory, but those prices are far above CMP's

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 07:07 PM (OTzUX)

175 163 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 07:01 PM (tkyK5)

Well lets hope you can make it, then we can work on anything you wish.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 02, 2021 07:07 PM (mcfjc)

176 Serbu + hot rounds = nothing good.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 02, 2021 07:07 PM (CK0Ph)

177 One of the odd things about the HQL class is that if you stay an extra 1/2 hour and pay an additional fee you can get the Utah Concealed Carry license which give one reciprocity in a bunch of states but not MD. To be able to conceal carry in MD you need 18 hrs of class, have to shoot with 70% accuracy, be approved(showing you absolutely need to) and pay a substantial fee and then requalify every two years by taking refresher class and paying more fees.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 02, 2021 07:07 PM (sd8p8)

178 If it only takes 3 muscles to pull the trigger, then I have at least 2 muscles that are misbehaving!



I either need significantly more training and/or more bacon. I am
not sure more bacon will be the key to improving my shooting - but
that's a risk I am willing to take.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 07:01 PM (tkyK5)

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Your grip could be too relaxed. For years I had a tendency to shoot a little to the left. It went away when I took a more assertive and balanced grip. I make the other three fingers on the shooting hand tighter, which means the handgun is more stable - less disturbed by the trigger finger.

You should consider one of those spring grip strengtheners, too. Has done wonders for my accuracy.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 07:08 PM (llXky)

179 same ol', same ol'; you ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at May 02, 2021 07:08 PM (ErSvT)

180 Posted by: Oddbob at May 02, 2021 07:01 PM (qc+VF)
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Nice!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:08 PM (MVjcR)

181 Posted by: callsign claymore at May 02, 2021 07:06 PM (q3Fww)
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Howdy, cc!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:09 PM (MVjcR)

182 To my way of thinking, no "permit" should be necessary. By virtue of being an American, there's yer fookin' permit.

It should he up to the state or the feds to prove why you can't own a weapon.

Posted by: Common Tater at May 02, 2021 07:09 PM (IG8lb)

183 That's what golf carts are for, man! (Or horses.)

Posted by: GWB at May 02, 2021 06:55 PM


One of Rancher Bob's horses is now best buddies with Jim. I think they go out together to drink beer and shoot pool.

I even have photographic proof for most of that statement!

I'll probably just bring a 5 gallon strap on gas can for the JD Gator to get out far enough for Weasel, Red, Scuba, and hopefully Lady L!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 07:09 PM (tkyK5)

184 Hey - anyone here know stuff about antique Japanese blades?

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 06:31 PM (MVjcR)

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no, but i have a bring back Arisaka with a bayonet that has bullet strikes on it. would have loved to have contacted the seller/family, but i found it at the asshoe rip-off gun store, and they aren't helpful with *anything*

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it. at May 02, 2021 07:10 PM (n0ufP)

185 It puts the ammo in the shopping cart. It does this whenever it can.

Posted by: Buffalo Bill at May 02, 2021 07:10 PM (pnSY9)

186 Hey there, Weasel! I was very happy to get your email yesterday!

Posted by: screaming in digital at May 02, 2021 07:11 PM (kTRt4)

187 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 07:09 PM (tkyK5)
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Really hope you can make it again this year. I also want to go back to that breakfast place!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:11 PM (MVjcR)

188
* actually there are "new" Garands being made from mostly USGI parts,
real snazzy numbers, by a few outfits like Fulton Armory, but those
prices are far above CMP's

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 07:07 PM

Fulton Armory hasn't been taking orders for guns some time now.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 02, 2021 07:12 PM (JUOKG)

189 Posted by: screaming in digital at May 02, 2021 07:11 PM (kTRt4)
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Well I was very happy to get yours! Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:12 PM (MVjcR)

190 Why don't you just stand down there then? Save you the walk.

Posted by: blaster at May 02, 2021 06:55 PM


Agreed blaster. I have seen these people shoot.

I think I would be safe about 1 pace off the target!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 07:13 PM (tkyK5)

191 Here is a video of me hitting the 500 yard target at last years TXMoMe. You can hear Weasel in the background doing an excellent job as spotter. Forgive the fact you have to tilt your head to watch. Anyone know how to fix that?https://tinyurl.com/u3kjcyrk

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 02, 2021 07:13 PM (mcfjc)

192 welp, I was up way before dawn today, and fading fast ... so g'night everyone, & thanks as always, Weasel !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at May 02, 2021 07:15 PM (ErSvT)

193 Scuba Dude, put your nephew to work. Even with 10 cent primers I'm still around 50 cents apiece. I do batches of 500 for my brother.

Posted by: ck at May 02, 2021 07:15 PM (iBg56)

194 So Weasel what's the prize for getting the pop quiz answer right? You gonna do a reveal later, like OM does with chess problems and "who 'dis"?

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 07:16 PM (OTzUX)

195 Forgive the fact you have to tilt your head to watch. Anyone know how to fix that?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 02, 2021 07:13 PM


Try picking up your screen, and rotating it 90 degrees counterclockwise.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 02, 2021 07:17 PM (DMUuz)

196 Serbu + hot rounds = nothing good.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 02, 2021 07:07 PM (CK0Ph)

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I didn't know anything about them until I saw the video from Ian. It's interesting just how many ways modern firearms are designed with failure in mind. The Serbu wasn't, and the result was nearly lethal.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 07:18 PM (llXky)

197 Posted by: sock_rat_eez at May 02, 2021 07:15 PM (ErSvT)
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See ya, sock rat!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:18 PM (MVjcR)

198 We haven't seen any identifiable impact of ammo prices in terms of range traffic. I think if panic pricing continued for a year, it would show. But barring new "triggering" events, it's likely that supply will start to catch up and prices will soften, and much more than the bit some here have noted.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 07:18 PM (OTzUX)

199 Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 07:16 PM (OTzUX)
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Bragging rights!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:19 PM (MVjcR)

200 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 02, 2021 07:13 PM (mcfjc)
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That was a fun day.

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:20 PM (MVjcR)

201 Weasel! Thank you for making the gun thread happen, man.

The Garand is a beautiful rifle. Old school wood and steel.

*stops self from quoting Consn

Posted by: callsign claymore at May 02, 2021 07:20 PM (q3Fww)

202 *stops self from quoting Conan about the riddle of steel.*

Posted by: callsign claymore at May 02, 2021 07:21 PM (q3Fww)

203 Posted by: callsign claymore at May 02, 2021 07:20 PM (q3Fww)
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Happy to do it. Thanks for being here!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:21 PM (MVjcR)

204 Weasel @ 86- Only thing I know about antique Japanese blades? Guy in town here has a o-l-d sword he wants $900 for. For the past 6 years. Yeah I'd love to have it but too old and stove up to weild it.

Posted by: Eromero at May 02, 2021 07:21 PM (0OP+5)

205 That was a fun day.

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:20 PM (MVjcR)
That it was, even though the weather so crappy we could not do any shooting after the rifle clinic. Cannot wait for October!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 02, 2021 07:22 PM (mcfjc)

206 Weasel I sent you something for next weekend. Lemme know if you got it.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 02, 2021 07:22 PM (IYHxL)

207 no, but i have a bring back Arisaka with a bayonet that has bullet strikes on it. would have loved to have contacted the seller/family, but i found it at the asshoe rip-off gun store, and they aren't helpful with *anything*
Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it. at May 02, 2021 07:10 PM (n0ufP)

You might have some luck reaching out to places like Mishaco, Military Arms Channel or Forgotten Weapons.

They have resources not available to regular ham and eggers that can point you in the right direction.

Mishaco especially is a historian by trade and he is a wealth of knowledge and may know how to locate "bring back papers" and the like. Good dude.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 02, 2021 07:23 PM (R/m4+)

208 Scuba, there is no "if". It is "do" or "do not". In our case it will be, "ding!"
Looking forward to it. In only a few short weeks!

Posted by: RI Red at May 02, 2021 07:23 PM (8q3LH)

209 Sharon: how did you figure out the reciprocal carry was why there was a Utah option? I just thought it was odd...

Posted by: Iris at May 02, 2021 07:24 PM (6lKe4)

210 Thanks for the Garand videos, Mr. Weasel.

One thing I noticed the last time I watched Band of Brothers. I think Neil McDonough, who was LT Buck Compton had Garand thumb. Big ol' blood blister under his thumb in some scenes.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Confuzzled at May 02, 2021 07:24 PM (x8Wzq)

211 Posted by: Eromero at May 02, 2021 07:21 PM (0OP+5)
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I hear you, amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:25 PM (MVjcR)

212 Posted by: RI Red at May 02, 2021 07:23 PM (8q3LH)

Can't wait Red!! I tacked on one more day to the hotel stay. Checking with my buddy who lives up there but I should have all of Thursday free.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 02, 2021 07:25 PM (mcfjc)

213 @sharon wow I had no idea.

Virginia is for now a shall issue state so if you have training (or waivered with dd214 or LEO) and submit the paperwork and they don't have a reason to deny you they shall issue the permit within 50 days I think it is. In Fairfax County it took exactly 50 days. Funny that. VA's ccw is accepted pretty much anywhere west or south. Going north HAH! No soup for you.

Posted by: blaster at May 02, 2021 07:25 PM (ZfRYq)

214 On a more serious note, this might help w/video rotation:

tinyurl.com/3bhm9u8

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 02, 2021 07:25 PM (DMUuz)

215 Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 02, 2021 07:22 PM (IYHxL)
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Got it! Thx

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:26 PM (MVjcR)

216 "I didn't know anything about them until I saw the video from Ian. It's interesting just how many ways modern firearms are designed with failure in mind. The Serbu wasn't, and the result was nearly lethal.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 07:18 PM (llXky)"

You're exactly right. As he mentioned in the video max pressure is around 54,800 psi. API incendiary rounds typically run at higher pressures and velocities. I don't know where that round was manufactured but that was probably the issue. Nonetheless the rifle is NOT engineered for that type of failure.

This is why I have an m82a1. If you get into the .50 game you go big or go home, maybe in a box.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 02, 2021 07:26 PM (CK0Ph)

217 Posted by: Pug Mahon, Confuzzled at May 02, 2021 07:24 PM (x8Wzq)
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My pleasure!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:27 PM (MVjcR)

218 Crappy weather?
Yesterday, there was a long range match at my range - 70+ pros attended. Below Franconia Notch, it was spring. At and above the Notch, it was snowing.
Less than ideal conditions, but they shot.
There will be no wimping out in October, right y'all?

Posted by: RI Red at May 02, 2021 07:28 PM (8q3LH)

219 Gubs!
>>>However, it is imperative you find a way to shake that off when it happens.
This is not shooting advice; it is life advice. And it is one of the most difficult things, as a parent, to teach your children.

Thanks for the gubs!, Mr. Weasel. I am out.

Posted by: 4 at May 02, 2021 07:28 PM (KnJdm)

220 You should consider one of those spring grip strengtheners, too. Has done wonders for my accuracy.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 07:08 PM


I am a tinkerer by nature and have tried changing many things on both my grip and trigger pull. All to no avail.

I was going to ask about hand strength at the next MoMe, because it felt to me as if that was part of the problem. My hand strength has gone down significantly in the last few years. I also have an essential tremor that further robs some hand strength.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 07:29 PM (tkyK5)

221 Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 02, 2021 07:25 PM (DMUuz)

Thanks!! Will try and fix it later

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 02, 2021 07:29 PM (mcfjc)

222 Now I need to hit the gym for:

1.) Distance conditioning for adding more long range targets at the MoMe.

2.) Strength training for my hands to improve my aim.

I sure do hope I DON'T NEED six-pack abs for anything at the next Texas MoMe. That might be a bridge too far!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 07:29 PM (tkyK5)

223 Blaster, we should talk about the NRA. I'll email you.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 02, 2021 07:29 PM (sd8p8)

224 I thought the actor playing Buck Compton usually had a Thompson? Not sure.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 07:30 PM (OTzUX)

225 @iris the Utah CCW I think has the widest reciprocity for a non-resident permit.

MD resident CCW is for example valid in VA and NC but not in SC, GA, or FL. UT gets you a lot more states with non resident but oddly enough not SC for whatever reason so you can't carry in Myrtle Beach.

Posted by: blaster at May 02, 2021 07:30 PM (ZfRYq)

226 Posted by: 4 at May 02, 2021 07:28 PM (KnJdm)
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My pleasure, 4. See ya!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:31 PM (MVjcR)

227 Thanks for another gun thread, Weasel!

The better half is calling for dinner.

Have fun Morons!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 07:31 PM (tkyK5)

228 Iris, it was in the follow up email from Gilbert's.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 02, 2021 07:31 PM (sd8p8)

229 Weasel, although I'd rather listen to the Master, this grasshopper will be glad to assist with anything range related.

Posted by: RI Red at May 02, 2021 07:33 PM (8q3LH)

230 Great gun thread, Weasel!

Love Blaster's account of the mini-Mome at the gun Show! Some of my favorite people in attendance there!!!

Posted by: Ladyl at May 02, 2021 07:33 PM (hfvFU)

231 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 07:31 PM (tkyK5)
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Later, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:33 PM (MVjcR)

232 Also for those who are picking up a CCW there was a post about CCW liability insurance. Seems like a good idea. I have USCCA Platinum for me and sra blaster and I think that is generally the concensus choice but as with everything YMMV.

Posted by: blaster at May 02, 2021 07:33 PM (ZfRYq)

233 There will be no wimping out in October, right y'all?

I've noticed that, as a group, golfers are much more dedicated to their pursuit than shooters. I remember a club match once where one of the top shooters sat out because he didn't want to have his rifle and spotting scope out in a light rain.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 02, 2021 07:33 PM (qc+VF)

234 Blaster, I took it to mean that if I took a handgun out of state and had the Utah license, I could conceal carry in the 22 states that have reciprocity even though I can't conceal carry in MD.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 02, 2021 07:33 PM (sd8p8)

235 And the good news is the boss really likes the Model 60, and she hasn't even seen it shoot using the laser grip yet. So it might become "her" home defense primary. She may also be warming to the CZ-83, which would be nice. She's already happy and deadly with the M1 carbine, but want her to be comfortable and competent with at least one handgun.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 07:34 PM (OTzUX)

236 Posted by: RI Red at May 02, 2021 07:33 PM (8q3LH)
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I dunno man, you know what you're doing! Now just practice it a gajillion times.

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:34 PM (MVjcR)

237 Posted by: Ladyl at May 02, 2021 07:33 PM (hfvFU)
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Thanks Ladyl!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:35 PM (MVjcR)

238 here is a two-fer

Deadlifting with correct form*

strong back and strong grip


*with no straps or mixed grip, but rather the traditional double overhand, otherwise call palms toward yo shins

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 02, 2021 07:37 PM (bTQ72)

239 Yay... The great American Gun Thread!!! Thanks again Weasel!!
Rick is one of the authors of " The Standard Guide to Smith and Wesson" Great guy, well known S&W collector, and first rate shootin buddy.
No shooting this week, but I am pretty sure I see some on the horizon. Might write a report...

Posted by: jesse in dc at May 02, 2021 07:38 PM (Yp3Ga)

240 I should note that the WWII training film I linked up above was part 3 of 3. The other two are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJnhr08aIJs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJnhr08aIJs

Fundamentals of Small Arms Weapons

I like the old-school animations, too.

Really not bad viewing for anyone looking to learn basics about firearms.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 07:40 PM (OTzUX)

241 Oddbob, today I almost wimped out because it was "windy". I kicked my self in the hind quarters, went up top and had the whole long range to myself.
After yesterday's match there were a ton of new targets. I got to do some range-finding via scope and math, got to make big wind adjustments, went through 56 rds and added more data to my range cards.
Then I went home, grilled up some salmon and sat out on the Adirondack chairs with Mrs. Red. And waited till the Gub Thread, my favorite time of the week.

Posted by: RI Red at May 02, 2021 07:40 PM (8q3LH)

242 Good evening.

late to the thread, but, bonus, able to peruse the content at my leisure, and, as usual, great content!

Thanks Weasel, NZFrank, blaster, et al.

By the way, I would amend weasel's advice to one eyed cat, and tell one eyed cat to at least run a few of the high speed rounds through the Ruger, just to have some familiarity with what that round feels like.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at May 02, 2021 07:41 PM (2SdPm)

243 ..You should consider one of those spring grip strengtheners, too. Has done wonders for my accuracy. Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 07:08 PM

Concur. I don't mention hand-strength all that much, because I kinda take it for granted. Working in the trades for a few years, commercial caulking gun(s) in hand, you kind of build up a grip. Basic 25" tube, 2 in. bore, and you'd draw back the operating rod while shoving the forward (uncapped) end of the gun into a 1.5 gal. bucket of freshly mixed caulk. Then clean off the end and screw in the threaded end ring and nozzle. That loaded gun would then be about 8lbs., and you'd go over the parapet of the high rise, with four to six such guns affixed to your Sky Genie. Bit of an unfair advantage, even now.

Conversely, you might check with Masturbatin' Pete.. I'd imagine he has that hand strength thing up into Iron Fist territory? /snrk


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 02, 2021 07:42 PM (QzJWU)

244 Posted by: jesse in dc at May 02, 2021 07:38 PM (Yp3Ga)
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Howdy amigo!
I THOUGHT his name sounded familiar! I have the book!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:42 PM (MVjcR)

245 @sharon yes that too. The Utah non resident would allow you to carry in those states with reciprocity even if you have not yet received your MD permit.

Posted by: blaster at May 02, 2021 07:43 PM (ZfRYq)

246 Jim of Galveston! Dahlin!

Posted by: Ladyl at May 02, 2021 07:43 PM (hfvFU)

247 does anyone care if the taliban step up attacks in a-stan?


nope?


people care if the taliban attack in this hemisphere, I suppose

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 02, 2021 07:44 PM (bTQ72)

248 Gotta go but Thanks Weasel. So much of what makes this place so special for me grew out of The MoMes in VA and Texas and this gun thread. The ability to get together with like minded morons has kept us all as sane as possible under the circumstances.
Have a great evening everyone.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 02, 2021 07:44 PM (sd8p8)

249 Posted by: RI Red at May 02, 2021 07:40 PM (8q3LH)
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You have really done a great job progressing with your shooting!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:44 PM (MVjcR)

250 I was going to ask about hand strength at the next
MoMe, because it felt to me as if that was part of the problem. My hand
strength has gone down significantly in the last few years. I also
have an essential tremor that further robs some hand strength.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 07:29 PM (tkyK5)

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Grip strength is quite important, and anything you can do to improve it helps.

That being said, some people just don't have it, and for them the smaller, lighter firearms are the way to go. You don't have to clench it the whole time, just as you are getting ready to fire, tighten the lower three fingers and then you'll eliminate some of the movement caused by trigger pull.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 07:44 PM (llXky)

251 I notice the dead lift is mentioned.

Look up a Mark Rippetoe video on the dead lift. He goes through correct form.

Rippetoe is also hilarious, because he just doesn't care. Very old school.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at May 02, 2021 07:44 PM (2SdPm)

252 Sharon! Don't leave before I can say hi to you!

Posted by: screaming in digital at May 02, 2021 07:45 PM (kTRt4)

253 Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 02, 2021 07:44 PM (sd8p
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Why thank you very much, Sharon! I really appreciate that. It's truly a pleasure to have you here.

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:46 PM (MVjcR)

254 Ladyl !


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 02, 2021 07:46 PM (QzJWU)

255 Screaming in Digital!!!

Posted by: Ladyl at May 02, 2021 07:46 PM (hfvFU)

256 @ Jim, Sunk New Dawn.

Working as a welder, MIG, I had grip strength that was off the charts at one time, even though I'm very thin.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at May 02, 2021 07:46 PM (2SdPm)

257 I sure do hope I DON'T NEED six-pack abs for anything at the next Texas MoMe. That might be a bridge too far!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 02, 2021 07:29 PM


They do seem to increase bids from the 'ettes during the auction.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 02, 2021 07:47 PM (DMUuz)

258 I had a non-resident UT CCW and lost it

Arrested for DWI, but not convicted.

got a nice letter about my moral character and a yanked permit

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 02, 2021 07:47 PM (bTQ72)

259 I see you SID!

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 02, 2021 07:47 PM (sd8p8)

260 Duncan, I was able to rotate the video using VCL but when I play the new file in any other playback it is still showing it not being rotated.
I do not have Windows Movie Maker on this PC but I do have it on an older one. Will have to dust that one off and give it a whirl.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 02, 2021 07:47 PM (mcfjc)

261
2nd the motion on Mark Rippetoe

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 02, 2021 07:47 PM (bTQ72)

262 Concur. I don't mention hand-strength all that much, because I kinda
take it for granted. Working in the trades for a few years, commercial
caulking gun(s) in hand, you kind of build up a grip



Jim
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I have small, soft, girlish hands but I keep the grip spring next to my computer and use it at random moments. Having a stronger grip helps shooting and with jars.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 07:47 PM (llXky)

263 How many of you folks have used a S.I.R.T., the laser training tool?

Posted by: Eromero at May 02, 2021 07:48 PM (0OP+5)

264 Pull ups will help with your grip strength as well as give you something to post on the GAINZZZ threads.

Even one at a time will do wonders.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 02, 2021 07:48 PM (R/m4+)

265 hiya

Posted by: JT at May 02, 2021 07:48 PM (arJlL)

266 Weasel, thanks again for an informative and entertaining thread!! Have a good week and will see you here next week!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 02, 2021 07:48 PM (mcfjc)

267 Not sure you want to fire it indoors though.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 06:31 PM (llXky)
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Take that villain outside before you shoot him.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 02, 2021 07:48 PM (1ENjc)

268 Late to thread due to yardwork. Pt. 1
Regarding a .357, the light .357 magnum 110 gr, used to be called the Treasury load as it has less recoil but pretty good terminal effect. The 110 and 125 gr were hard on forcing cones of revolvers and particularly S&W had problems with it in their K Frame .357 line. Part of the adaption (since changed) was that the barrels on K Frames had a notch at the rear to allow the cylinder to close and the K Frame top straps were not that thick so sometimes barrels cracked at the forcing cone. They also went out of time faster but were lighter and easier to carry all day versus the N Frames or the Colt E/I Frames. The N Frames and Colt E/I Frames had much less problems with high speed light bullets in .357 as did the later Ruger Security Six series.

Posted by: whig at May 02, 2021 07:48 PM (pO7gM)

269 UT cancelled the CCW before I even went to court as well

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 02, 2021 07:49 PM (bTQ72)

270 Hi Ladyl, Jim SND, and Jesse!! Good to see y'all!

Posted by: screaming in digital at May 02, 2021 07:49 PM (kTRt4)

271 Be the bullet padawan! Kidding aside, totally agree Mr. Weasel sir. Aim small, miss small somewhat fits that mentality.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * acolyte second class, Branch Trumpian at May 02, 2021 07:49 PM (13ygn)

272 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 02, 2021 07:48 PM (mcfjc)
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My pleasure. See you next Sunday, amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:49 PM (MVjcR)

273 Thx, Weasel. I still remember the day you said, "Have you ever thought about seating depth?" It was all downhill from there.
And our telephone conversation where you talked me through annealing. Now every Sunday I have my propane torch, my 1/2" socket and my kitchen sink in operation shortly after I get back from Sunday is Fun Day is Gun Day.

Posted by: RI Red at May 02, 2021 07:50 PM (8q3LH)

274 Building grip strength is easy.

Posted by: Fapster at May 02, 2021 07:50 PM (pnSY9)

275 Posted by: Sock Monkey * acolyte second class, Branch Trumpian at May 02, 2021 07:49 PM (13ygn
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Yep!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:50 PM (MVjcR)

276 The N Frames and Colt E/I Frames had much less problems with high speed light bullets in .357 as did the later Ruger Security Six series.
Posted by: whig at May 02, 2021 07:48 PM


What am I, chopped liver? ;-)

Posted by: L-Frame at May 02, 2021 07:51 PM (DMUuz)

277 Posted by: RI Red at May 02, 2021 07:50 PM (8q3LH)
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Really happy I was able to play a part, but your hard work and diligence has really paid off.

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:53 PM (MVjcR)

278 Pt. 2,
The GP 100 is built even stronger than the Security Six series and should not have a problem firing whatever load you choose. I have one of the first series of GP 100's which has had countless rounds through it and it has not shot loose, the flame cutting is minimal on the very thick top strap, and the overall insides and frame is built like a tank.

If you have an original Python or trooper, due to the collectibility and the difficulty in finding Colt Smiths, stick to a midrange 140 gr or 158 gr if you are feeding it a steady diet. The newer Smiths with the sleeved barrels including the new K frame and the new Colt Python should be good to go with whatever you choose to feed it. The downside to the 110 and 125 gr .357 are a lot of muzzle flash, a bark that is unique among handguns, and the effects on the firearms noted above. It is also not advisable for the snubbies as controllability requires a lot of practice. The upside is it is a documented excellent self defense round that does not penetrate too much, expands self defense type bullets well, and leaves a really nasty wound.

Posted by: whig at May 02, 2021 07:53 PM (pO7gM)

279 Weasel got me annealing too! Thanks Weasel, Haven't had a single split neck 556 since.

Posted by: ck at May 02, 2021 07:54 PM (iBg56)

280 Also, thanks to NZ Frank for his video.

Brevity and shit.

I rilly, rilly want a Garand.

So fucking much.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Confuzzled at May 02, 2021 07:54 PM (x8Wzq)

281 276 The L Frame is S&W's ripoff of the original Python as they will even fit the same holsters with better frame treatment. Otherwise, they are nice revolvers but not as strong as a GP 100 or the even rarer Redhawk in .357.

That being said, it is easier to find a smith to fix a S&W than of the old Colts. Frank Glenn in Phoenix and Cylinder and Slide in NE are probably two that are highly recommended for old Colt D/A.

Posted by: whig at May 02, 2021 07:55 PM (pO7gM)

282 Posted by: ck at May 02, 2021 07:54 PM (iBg56)
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Sure! There are a bunch of tiny steps in precision reloading that added together result in amazing consistency. Happy it helped!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:56 PM (MVjcR)

283 Posted by: Pug Mahon, Confuzzled at May 02, 2021 07:54 PM (x8Wzq)
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Before NZFrank tunes in and decides to shoot me, he's not really such a big fan of the M1.

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:58 PM (MVjcR)

284 whig I fired familiarization rounds through all my revolvers and the controllability was an issue with all, not just the snubs. The limited amount of 357 Mag ammo I have in the stockpile will be for a lever rifle if I get one in that caliber.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 07:59 PM (OTzUX)

285 Before NZFrank tunes in and decides to shoot me, he's not really such a big fan of the M1.
Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 07:58 PM (MVjcR)
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He probably prefers the SMLE. Which is just silly, but, there you have it.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at May 02, 2021 07:59 PM (2SdPm)

286 263 How many of you folks have used a S.I.R.T., the laser training tool?
Posted by: Eromero at May 02, 2021 07:48 PM (0OP+5)


No experience with it. But watching the video it seems less useful than itargetpro and strikeman that have been reviewed here. It doesn't record shots so you have to remember where you hit. That might work well for your last shot but the last 10?

Also you are restricted to the models they offer. The others above allow to you use whatever guns you have.

Posted by: blaster at May 02, 2021 07:59 PM (ZfRYq)

287 I'm up to about a hundred steps at this point, it's a good thing that I enjoy the hell out of it. And I have time.

Posted by: ck at May 02, 2021 07:59 PM (iBg56)

288 ck, I'm getting a sh*t-ton of reloads out of my brass now. I've even got guys at the club asking me about it.
I sure could have used it a few years ago shooting .223 WSSM. I split necks after 3 or 4 reloads. But those pellets are going 4000 fps.

Posted by: RI Red at May 02, 2021 08:00 PM (8q3LH)

289 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at May 02, 2021 07:59 PM (2SdPm)
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And he otherwise seems like a sharp guy!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:00 PM (MVjcR)

290 But Weasel, NZFrank did say he was buying some M1 parts recently, didn't he? Or did I misread that? If only enough people could be persuaded to not like the M1, prices might come down.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 08:01 PM (OTzUX)

291 Screaming

*break*

Whig. The S&W "L" frame was developed specifically to mend that "K" frame weakness, you so adroitly described. The "L" frame is identical to the "K", from the rear-sight, downward through the grip-frame, and forward to the front-edge of the trigger guard. Topstrap is beefier, the frame around the barrel threads is beefier, the diameter of the barrel at the threads is slightly larger, the crane and yoke are stouter, and of course, that sweet, full-length underlugged barrel and straight barrel profile..wow, such superlative balance! Oh, and the cylinder diameter is just a wee bit larger than the "K" frame, but not so much as an "N" frame. Pro-tip. The S&W "L" frame and Ruger GP-100 share speedloader spacings and specs.

If S&W had put a final fit, finish and polish on the 586 to equal a 1960s Model 29, then the 586 would have out Python'd the Python, and half the Python's price.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 02, 2021 08:02 PM (QzJWU)

292 Hiya, JT!!!

Posted by: Ladyl at May 02, 2021 08:02 PM (hfvFU)

293 Great info as always, thank you posters and Professor Weasel.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at May 02, 2021 08:02 PM (PHxng)

294 Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 08:01 PM (OTzUX)
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Great point!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:03 PM (MVjcR)

295 For the guy with the GP 100, the light 110 grains are easy to shoot and have good terminal effect in self defense shootings.

In handguns, sorry to disagree Weasel, it is best to practice with similar ammunition that you have loaded at home for self defense. Some of the other old line .357 makers will have some 110 gr. T load equivalents in cheaper ammo, particularly Remington and maybe Fiocchi.
That being said, .38 +P costs a bit less, has a little less recoil, a lot less muzzle flash, and is pretty effective. Haven't checked on the most recent GP 100's as far as forcing cone angle but Ruger has traditionally used a forcing cone angle that is more conducive to metal jacketed bullets and thus Rugers have been traditionally more likely leave lead in your bore when firing, particularly the soft swaged bullet types.

Colt and S&W are better on their forcing cone angles for lead bullets and less susceptible to leading.

Posted by: whig at May 02, 2021 08:03 PM (pO7gM)

296 Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at May 02, 2021 08:02 PM (PHxng)
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Howdy, GM!! Nice to see you!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:04 PM (MVjcR)

297 Weasel did I miss an annealing tutorial here on the gun thread in the past? I'm still a ways off from needing to consider it, but need to understand what's involved when I decide whether to recycle my 30-06 brass after 4 or so reloadings and just get new/new-used to replace it. At current rates that won't be for a few years, still doing 1st reloads on some HXP.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 08:04 PM (OTzUX)

298 I measure my 308 primer pockets every time and toss 5-10% of it, but other than that my brass goes on and on these days.

Posted by: ck at May 02, 2021 08:04 PM (iBg56)

299 Jim SND, Red Jr. recently acquired the Ruger GP 101? in 6" and 3" barrel. What a sweet shooter, even in 158 grain.

Posted by: RI Red at May 02, 2021 08:05 PM (8q3LH)

300 That being said, it is easier to find a smith to fix
a SW than of the old Colts. Frank Glenn in Phoenix and Cylinder
and Slide in NE are probably two that are highly recommended for old
Colt D/A.

Posted by: whig at May 02, 2021 07:55 PM (pO7gM)

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Original 'snakes' are too expensive to shoot, which is annoying because the Cobra (and King Cobra) line were the economy models. Now they're freaking artifacts.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 08:06 PM (llXky)

301 Posted by: whig at May 02, 2021 08:03 PM (pO7gM)
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Lots of people hold the same opinion as you regarding practice and SD ammo, so you're not alone.

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:06 PM (MVjcR)

302 kicking myself I did not buy a new Garand in late 90s after SA started makeing them after Saving Private Ryan came out

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 02, 2021 08:06 PM (bTQ72)

303 291 Jim, I have shot L frames but like my GP 100 better in head to head. S&W had a bad decade in the 80's regarding quality control and I saw some Smiths that should never had left the factory. Dislike the new ones because of the Hillary hole.

Ask a gunsmith used to fixing revolvers, most will admit that the GP is stronger but more difficult to get a smooth trigger pull.
I have quite a few Smiths but prefer those from before Bangor Punta took over.

Posted by: whig at May 02, 2021 08:07 PM (pO7gM)

304 Have some new neighbors. They bought a 120 acre " ranch " about a 1/2 mile down the road. Folks that live across the road have met them and said they seemed nice but a bit standoffish. Last night around 12:30 am they decided to have some target practice. Lasted off and on until about 2:30. I wandered up to the timber property ridge above their property and could see a nice bonfire with about 15 people around it. They were shooting tracers. This is the third time they've had their little late night target shoot. I am considering repaying the favor one of these week nights around 3 am. Am I being an asshole?

Posted by: Sock Monkey * acolyte second class, Branch Trumpian at May 02, 2021 08:07 PM (13ygn)

305 Hiya Ladyl !

Posted by: JT at May 02, 2021 08:07 PM (arJlL)

306 Hiya Screamie !

Posted by: JT at May 02, 2021 08:07 PM (arJlL)

307 Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 08:04 PM (OTzUX)
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No, you didn't miss anything - I haven't gone into it because I didn't think that many people would be interested. Feel free to email me and we can walk through it.

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:08 PM (MVjcR)

308 The limited amount of 357 Mag ammo I have in the stockpile will be for a lever rifle when I get one in that caliber.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 07:59 PM (OTzUX)

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FTFY!

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it. at May 02, 2021 08:10 PM (n0ufP)

309 In handguns, sorry to disagree Weasel, it is best to
practice with similar ammunition that you have loaded at home for self
defense.
Posted by: whig at May 02, 2021 08:03 PM (pO7gM)

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Before it was tragically lost while waterskiing, I had a Colt King Cobra, stainless, 6" barrel. Fun to shoot .38s through, but when you put magnums in it, it was like a laser. The .38s had a bit of drop, but the magnums were crisp and super-accurate. *sighs sadly*

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 08:10 PM (llXky)

310 https://tinyurl.com/7b8xaaarUpdated video of 500 yard shot. Video is now rotated for better viewing

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 02, 2021 08:11 PM (mcfjc)

311 I am considering repaying the favor one of these week nights around 3 am. Am I being an asshole?
Posted by: Sock Monkey * acolyte second class, Branch Trumpian at May 02, 2021 08:07 PM (13ygn)

Let it go for now. What Vito Corleone said.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 02, 2021 08:11 PM (R/m4+)

312 I mentioned the Heritage Rough Rider in the MoMe report above. I have been pricing them after shooting a friends 22LR revolver - a Ruger Single Six. I liked it because it was fun to shoot and almost like a pellet gun.

So I thought I might pick up a Heritage Rough Rider at the gun show and sra blaster said why? She didn't like it because for her it wasn't practical enough. She only wants shooters in the laager not practicers.

Okay then.

Posted by: blaster at May 02, 2021 08:11 PM (ZfRYq)

313 Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice), did you buy the pink one?

Posted by: Braenyard at May 02, 2021 08:12 PM (1ENjc)

314 No thread is Absolute!

--Joey Paste-eater

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 02, 2021 08:13 PM (EZebt)

315 I work up "duplicate" (in terms of felt recoil) rounds for my 9mm and 45ACP and 38sp defense ammo, for practice. Another advantage of reloading. Kind of fun to do, too.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 08:13 PM (OTzUX)

316 Just to compare .22lr prices at Heck's versus today, just paid $199 for Winchester's Bucket of Bullets, 1400 rounds, only 14 cents a round!

Posted by: jayhawkone at May 02, 2021 08:14 PM (CpdoP)

317 ..Ask a gunsmith used to fixing revolvers, most will admit that the GP is stronger but more difficult to get a smooth trigger pull. I have quite a few Smiths but prefer those from before Bangor Punta took over. Posted by: whig at May 02, 2021 08:07 PM (pO7gM)

Concur. And tuning the Rugers is best done with an external "lockwork" jig, which lets the 'smithy fit all the parts in their proper alignment, just as they'd be when the trigger/lockwork module is installed into the frame. Or, just lay out for a Wiley Clapp GP-100, and get the $moothne$$ from day one?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 02, 2021 08:14 PM (QzJWU)

318 I am considering repaying the favor one of these week nights around 3 am. Am I being an asshole?
Posted by: Sock Monkey * acolyte second class, Branch Trumpian at May 02, 2021 08:07 PM (13ygn)


Would it be more productive to ask to be invited? Cause sounds like more fun than getting into a shooting match with the neighbors.

Posted by: blaster at May 02, 2021 08:15 PM (ZfRYq)

319 The. 357 Ruger LCR is a joy to shoot. Great trigger, light weight. Even the 158 grain jhps are doable despite the snub nose

Posted by: callsign claymore at May 02, 2021 08:16 PM (q3Fww)

320 301 Weasel,
My take is based on my experience and recommendations from law enforcement trainers like Mas Ayoob. The Newhall incident where the CHP took on some criminals caused a change in training methods because the cops were shooting .38 Special wad cutters in qualifications and then loading up on patrol with .357 magnums in 125 gr self defense loads. They did not do well in the ensuing gunfight at Newhall CA.

If worried about a forcing cone, the 140 gr. XTP from Hornady is a good compromise. The 158 gr in .357 were generally removed from police service because they over penetrated and recoiled a bit too much. Those are much better for hunting purposes in my opinion.

Not mentioning specific loads here, but I have found that Titegroup does a fairly good job at getting the velocity for .357 training round reloads without excessive bark and recoil. I rarely use H110 or other rifle powders because I don't hunt with a .357.

Posted by: whig at May 02, 2021 08:16 PM (pO7gM)

321 blaster, too bad. I got a Single Six because it was the first gun I fired, as a kid, with my older brother (in a location where that would not be advisable, today).

I used to take it to the range (indoor or outdoor) every time - it was my "warm up" gun. I'd shoot 5 or 6 cylinders and focus on breathing, trigger pull, etc. Will remember to bring it next time, revive that habit.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 08:16 PM (OTzUX)

322 Would it be more productive to ask to be invited?
Cause sounds like more fun than getting into a shooting match with the
neighbors.

Posted by: blaster at May 02, 2021 08:15 PM (ZfRYq)

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Yeah, I'd drop by with a bottle of bourbon with a bow on it and ask if you could play through.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 08:16 PM (llXky)

323 No thread is Absolute!

--Joey Paste-eater
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We believe in perceptions, not reality!
-- Joey Paste-eater

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 02, 2021 08:17 PM (AytXr)

324 Hi Morons! Howdy weasel!
No range time this week. Perhaps next Saturday. I need to pull out my 1911 and give her some attention. Just 16 rounds should do it. She's a nice girl.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 02, 2021 08:17 PM (U2p+3)

325 317 Jim,
Or you could buy a used GP 100 and they are usually broke in. Mine dates from the early models and I can trigger cock it if I wish. From simple wear and dry firing, it is butter smooth so I leave it alone.

Posted by: whig at May 02, 2021 08:17 PM (pO7gM)

326 Went to a new range southeast of tyler yesterday...was a beautiful day for a drive. When firing a mini14 at a range, try and grab the farthest right bench. It really throws the brass.

Posted by: Redchief at May 02, 2021 08:18 PM (ZP/Yt)

327 >>>I asked for someone to hire me a lawyer to defend me and Scott Johnson walked through the door - I'd stuff that person into a space cannon.
Posted by: Boswell at May 02, 2021 06:51 PM (w2LAm)
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To the moon Alice, to the moon.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 02, 2021 08:18 PM (1ENjc)

328 She only wants shooters in the laager not practicers.


Posted by: blaster at May 02, 2021 08:11 PM (ZfRYq)

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Do what she says or she'll banish you to the kraal.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 08:18 PM (llXky)

329 Do what she says or she'll banish you to the kraal.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 08:18 PM (llXky)


Who are you telling?

Posted by: blaster at May 02, 2021 08:19 PM (ZfRYq)

330 Am I being an asshole?

Do you have any artillery simulators

Posted by: Jean at May 02, 2021 08:20 PM (Xih1H)

331 Whig,
Not sure how 38 Special came into the conversation. I suggested avoiding a steady diet of light hi velocity rounds in the 357 Magnum. Practice with slower and heavier 357 Magnum rounds, and occasionally include the SD rounds. Perhaps I wasn't clear - apologies!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:21 PM (MVjcR)

332 By the way, it looks like ammo is becoming available, but, while I expect prices to go down, I think they'll remain high, due to inflation setting in.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at May 02, 2021 08:21 PM (2SdPm)

333 Posted by: nurse ratched at May 02, 2021 08:17 PM (U2p+3)
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Howdy nurse!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:22 PM (MVjcR)

334 RedChief @ 326- What's the name/location of the new range?

Posted by: Eromero at May 02, 2021 08:22 PM (0OP+5)

335 ..Or you could buy a used GP 100 and they are usually broke in. Mine dates from the early models and I can trigger cock it if I wish. From simple wear and dry firing, it is butter smooth so I leave it alone. Posted by: whig at May 02, 2021 08:17 PM (pO7gM)

Hope you're bringin' that one to the TxMoMeet! I'm a huge fan of the GP-100 in the first place, and an exceptional one would be a joy to shoot.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 02, 2021 08:22 PM (QzJWU)

336 A Ruger LCR with full-boogie 357 Mag? Variety makes the world go round, but I find it amazing that that combo could be comfortable to shoot. At the old indoor range handgun rentals were free to members, so once I tried the 38 LCR. One cylinder was enough. Nasty.

I understand the have-it-for-when-needed/not-to-shoot-much concept, and the light weight is terrific for carry purposes. But yikes.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 08:22 PM (OTzUX)

337 > How many of you folks have used a S.I.R.T., the laser training tool?
> Posted by: Eromero at May 02, 2021 07:48 PM (0OP+5)

I was at a class a week ago Saturday with an instructor who is an accomplished IDPA shooter and has extensive experience as a security professional. He is a big proponent of SIRT. I am waiting on getting one now.

You can use a SIRT pistol with a software product called LASR (laserapp.com) that will detect, time, record, and evaluate your shots. I purchased that and have been using it with my carry pistol and a 9mm laser cartridge. I expect it to be very helpful. The pistol and the software total will be less than what 1,000 rounds of 9mm brings today. I think they will be very helpful to my improvement as a shooter.

Posted by: IronDave at May 02, 2021 08:22 PM (k3crU)

338 I am sooooooooooo late tonight. No range report......too busy..... ugh!

Posted by: Norman Spiny at May 02, 2021 08:23 PM (68uBc)

339 Pitch meeting: Frank Miller / Zack Snyder's 300

https://youtu.be/FOkQS77XRnA

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 02, 2021 08:23 PM (ybIRR)

340 Who are you telling?





Posted by: blaster at May 02, 2021 08:19 PM (ZfRYq)

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I was making light of the misspelling of "larger" as "laager" which is an Afrikaans word and so I threw in another Afrikaans word.

My humor is often obscure.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 08:23 PM (llXky)

341 The tyrant Northam has all but put the Chantilly gun show out of business. But they haven't done themselves any favors either. Too many dates, lots of restrictions on vendors, and too many non-related vendors have turned the show into a shadow of what it was even 6 years ago.

Covid only served as another pretext for Northam to stomp on the show. And he did so with idiotic restrictions on admission.

If these idiotic lockdowns ever end, it might be worth going again but I haven't seen great bargains there in a few years.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at May 02, 2021 08:24 PM (+Kpte)

342 Pitch meeting: Frank Miller / Zack Snyder's 300


Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 02, 2021 08:23 PM (ybIRR)

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I thought those were generally for terrible films. "300" is a work of absolute, crystal pure genius.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 08:25 PM (llXky)

343 IronDave @ 337- We use the S.I.R.T. at work. I am considering buying one for the Eromero Tribe.

Posted by: Eromero at May 02, 2021 08:26 PM (0OP+5)

344 Posted by: WarEagle82 at May 02, 2021 08:24 PM (+Kpte)
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That's been my take. There used to be a powder guy there I would meet once a year while he was setting up, but I haven't walked around shopping in years.

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:26 PM (MVjcR)

345 ---
I was making light of the misspelling of "larger" as "laager" which is an Afrikaans word and so I threw in another Afrikaans word.

My humor is often obscure.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 08:23 PM (llXky)


Not a misspelling I meant laager. Maybe spoken my who are you telling may have better conveyed the meaning of you are damn straight.

Posted by: blaster at May 02, 2021 08:27 PM (ZfRYq)

346 A.H. Lloyd @ 340- Aardvaark!

Posted by: Eromero at May 02, 2021 08:27 PM (0OP+5)

347 I'm late as usual. Totally worn out today. No range time this week. Again. I'm just gonna bite the bullet (pun intended) and use a box if my own. I really miss shooting.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 02, 2021 08:28 PM (nxdel)

348 Would it be more productive to ask to be invited? Cause sounds like more fun than getting into a shooting match with the neighbors.
Posted by: blaster

Fairly certain there was alcohol involved. Even when I did drink I never mixed guns and alcohol. Don't find the idea attractive. As for a shooting match, nah, just going to give them a little taste of their own medicine. Timber property has a nice little draw above them so it's safe but it will effectively carry the sound down to their house about 500 feet down the hill. Probably go introduce myself later.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * acolyte second class, Branch Trumpian at May 02, 2021 08:28 PM (13ygn)

349 Posted by: Jewells45 at May 02, 2021 08:28 PM (nxdel)
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Hi Jewells!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:29 PM (MVjcR)

350 Not a misspelling I meant laager. Maybe spoken my
who are you telling may have better conveyed the meaning of you are damn
straight.

Posted by: blaster at May 02, 2021 08:27 PM (ZfRYq)

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Someone set us up the bomb!

Posted by: All Your Base Are Belong to Us at May 02, 2021 08:29 PM (llXky)

351 So I thought I might pick up a Heritage Rough Rider at the gun show and sra blaster said why? She didn't like it because for her it wasn't practical enough.

If "because it's fun" isn't a good reason, then I need to get rid of like 90% of my guns.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 02, 2021 08:29 PM (qc+VF)

352 300 and Watchmen are most excellent films. I said that at the time, and have not wavered.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 02, 2021 08:32 PM (ybIRR)

353 If "because it's fun" isn't a good reason, then I need to get rid of like 90% of my guns.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 02, 2021 08:29 PM (qc+VF)

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"You see, Honey, the ammo shortage means that it's totally practical to buy this Roth-Steyr. Look! You can still find ammo for it!"

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 08:32 PM (llXky)

354 Hey Weasel!

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 02, 2021 08:33 PM (nxdel)

355 Whoops! I'm late for the 9:30 thank you!

Seriously, thank you all for being here and bringing so much to the table. I do appreciate it!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:33 PM (MVjcR)

356 Well thank you for the thread, Weasel.

One of the pillars of the HQ, so to speak.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 08:34 PM (OTzUX)

357 352 Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 02, 2021 08:32 PM (ybIRR)

Both have some flaws, both are also much better than almost anything released the last 5 years.

I am as always in awe Moore thought people would prefer Ozymandias to the Comedian or Rorschach.

Posted by: sven at May 02, 2021 08:35 PM (Lzpvj)

358 Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 08:34 PM (OTzUX)
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Thanks, but that's really you all, week after week. No kidding!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:35 PM (MVjcR)

359 I need to pull out my 1911 and give her some attention.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 02, 2021 08:17 PM (U2p+3)

Okay...I admit it. Chicks shooting 1911s is sexy.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2021 08:35 PM (Q9lwr)

360 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2021 08:35 PM (Q9lwr)
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Well, yeah!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:36 PM (MVjcR)

361 358 Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:35 PM (MVjcR)

Eh you have always given good thread Weasel...

er....

That said if the Hoplophobes get their way it may behoove us to discuss field expedient defense tools and their proper usage.

Posted by: sven at May 02, 2021 08:37 PM (Lzpvj)

362 Thanks again, Weasel!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 08:37 PM (llXky)

363 And Weasel!

The pop quiz? When do we get the answer sheet? Because my take is that heavier bullets are going to beat up the gun more than light...so clearly I am completely full of it and need to stick to cooking.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2021 08:37 PM (Q9lwr)

364 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 08:37 PM (llXky)
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Happy to do it AHL! Always nice to have you here.

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:38 PM (MVjcR)

365 Well, "gun" related - just different guns than we (tragically) get to shoot.

The 3 16-inch naval rifles on the Iowa-class battleship main battery turrets were timed to fire in series, not simultaneously (to avoid distortions caused by recoil affecting accuracy). They appear simultaneous because the timing differential was tiny.

Center, then left, then right gun, that order. Also, for reasons. Just heard that during the last activation of those ships they increased the delay before the third gun fired, forget why.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 08:38 PM (OTzUX)

366 Posted by: sven at May 02, 2021 08:37 PM (Lzpvj)
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Thank you, sven!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:38 PM (MVjcR)

367 Holy moly, I'm beat. Later all. ThanX! Weasel

McGyver, out like a light

Posted by: McGyver at May 02, 2021 08:38 PM (/sBe7)

368 Later all, thanks again, weasel!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at May 02, 2021 08:40 PM (2SdPm)

369 Weasel.. you know one thing in particular that makes THIS the best Gun Thread on the 'net?

I read a lot of different sites & commentaries today, as regards that SERBU KaBoom. One can have such opinions as they wish, but here, the manner in which such opinions are offered and yes, even argued, are CIVIL. Respectful. Intelligently stated vs. heatedly hurled. Even the "newbies" here are welcomed with patience, insight, guidance and support. Not with sneering disdain or other hierarchal insults which are the hallmark of so many lesser sites.

You've somehow managed to round up pretty much the best of the gunosphere, all right here in this one thread, every week.

Credit: Weasel.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 02, 2021 08:41 PM (QzJWU)

370 366 Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:38 PM (MVjcR)

I am using my back up system, putting a new hard drive in my main gaming system.

Hope all is well with you and yours, I am seriously considering selling off most of my tools.

Posted by: sven at May 02, 2021 08:41 PM (Lzpvj)

371 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2021 08:37 PM (Q9lwr)
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In some guns, the lighter faster rounds stress the forcing cone and can flame cut the top strap. I am a proponent of using bullets in the 158gr range and a slow powder keeping velocities at or under about 1100 FPS (if I recall correctly, not looking at reloading notes). It's not going to hurt anything to occasionally use hotter loads. just my 2 cents.

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:42 PM (MVjcR)

372 369 Posted by: Jim at May 02, 2021 08:41 PM (QzJWU)

Corporate culture is a real thing, the failure was a combination of engineering and a misunderstanding of the specs on genuine SLAP ammo.

I am glad he will recover, and I am happy a lesson was learned by the community at large.

Posted by: sven at May 02, 2021 08:42 PM (Lzpvj)

373 Stumbled across an amusing UToob video (or series) for gun nutz like us. A store in Washington County PA that rents machine guns does a test fire every season - but they do it all at once, with a team, in one take. Just look for "test fire of machine guns - one take" and Washington County and you should find them. Interesting. Beats most days on most jobs, for the guy doing the shooting.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 08:43 PM (OTzUX)

374 Posted by: McGyver at May 02, 2021 08:38 PM (/sBe7)
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'night brother!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:43 PM (MVjcR)

375 In some guns, the lighter faster rounds stress the forcing cone and can flame cut the top strap.

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:42 PM (MVjcR)

Interesting. So even though the total force exerted on the revolver is less, the speed at which it occurs is damaging...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2021 08:45 PM (Q9lwr)

376 rhomboid, I was surprised too. Noticeable recoil, sure, but the LCR isn't a S&W scandium wheel gun that flogs you with each trigger pull.

The .357 LCR is a great design. It's great in .38 SPL too.

Posted by: callsign claymore at May 02, 2021 08:45 PM (q3Fww)

377 Posted by: Jim at May 02, 2021 08:41 PM (QzJWU)
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Thanks, pal. Means a lot coming from someone with your experience!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:45 PM (MVjcR)

378 Weasel,
I brought up the Newhall incident and .38 special wadcutters.
The reason for not using the heavier 158 gr is simply the point of aim is different enough form the point of impact to throw people off. The recoil and blast profile is different as well.

The 125 in self defense loads recoils more like a .40 S&W in a short sharp shockt manner. The recoil impulse from 158 gr. (have not shot enough 140's to compare) is a bit slower and you get less muzzle blast.The 110 gr which I used to use as self defense ammo was Corbon's PowrBall which was some of the most accurate .357 ammo that I ever fired. The bullet profile was also well suited to speedloaders and the reduced recoil and muzzle blast compared with 125 gr in short 3 inch barrels was better.

Part of the issue that led me to Powrballs was that GP 100's were not the best to shoot FBI 158 gr .38+p soft lead swc hollowpoints. They leaded the barrel after only a few rounds and I had to buy a lewis lead remover kit to delead it. The FBI load expands well, has little recoil in a 4 inch service model, and it is easy to make reloads up to that standard to shoot similar ammo to commercial loads.

Posted by: whig at May 02, 2021 08:46 PM (pO7gM)

379 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2021 08:45 PM (Q9lwr)
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I think a big part of the difference is the brisiance of the powder used to achieve the higher velocities.

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:47 PM (MVjcR)

380 G'night, Weasel and Gun'rons. Thanks for another great thread.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 02, 2021 08:47 PM (qc+VF)

381 Corporate culture is a real thing, the failure was a
combination of engineering and a misunderstanding of the specs on
genuine SLAP ammo.


Posted by: sven at May 02, 2021 08:42 PM (Lzpvj)

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I'm sympathetic to the concept of a 'no frills' .50 BMG rifle, but that being the case, the last thing I'd be doing is stress testing the hell out of it.

Even if it turns out that the sabots were leaving residue or something, I would still expect the design to be hardened so that when failure happens (it always happens) the results are more contained.

And it is telling that no one is losing their mind in discussing this here.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 08:48 PM (llXky)

382 Seen that video of the guys 50 cal blowing up pop up on Youtube the other day but didn't watch it. Watched it now. Guy is lucky.
I wonder if the guy has taken a peak down the barrel and used a bore scope to check things out. Might not have necessarily been a hot round. I wonder if the sabot didn't fail since the rounds are so old and the penetrator might have dug into the barrel on the way out and caused excessive pressure and the subsequent boom.

Definitely be careful of people passing off military surplus rounds that are really re-loads. Ask them if they're reloads and check out the primers for the primer crimp having been removed and/or the primers not being sealed. Check for the crimp at the bullet too. Thats another tell. Seen stuff like that before at gunshows back in the day.

Posted by: JROD at May 02, 2021 08:49 PM (0jZnq)

383 Posted by: whig at May 02, 2021 08:46 PM (pO7gM)
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At normal handgun encounter distances, how much difference is it going to make? An inch? Two?

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:50 PM (MVjcR)

384 The best gun is the one you have.

Not the one you want.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 02, 2021 08:50 PM (3H9h1)

385 Posted by: Oddbob at May 02, 2021 08:47 PM (qc+VF)
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Goodnight Ob!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:51 PM (MVjcR)

386 381 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 08:48 PM (llXky)

.50 SLAP was designed to give better armor penetration to the M2HB, John Browning was many things but a crimper on safety margins in receiver strength was never one of them.

Like I said the shooter was blessed to have the resiliency of youth.

Posted by: sven at May 02, 2021 08:51 PM (Lzpvj)

387 Thanks Weasel.
Robert Campbell, whose written work I have appreciated for years, suggests using the 140 gr in Hornady XTP or Winchester Silver Tips in .357, particularly for those firearms that might suffer forcing cone or excessive flame cutting for exactly the reasons that you propose.

In my case, my K Frame Smiths and old E frame Colts get .38 Special plus p, the GP and Security series get .357, think I have 125 gr Ultimate Defense by Remington in those now since Corbon has basically disappeared on shelves even before the great ammo shortage.

Posted by: whig at May 02, 2021 08:51 PM (pO7gM)

388 The reason for not using the heavier 158 gr is simply the point of
aim is different enough form the point of impact to throw people off.

Posted by: whig at May 02, 2021 08:46 PM (pO7gM)

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Sometimes guns fire different ammo consistently, sometimes they don't. Its important to shoot the various loads side by side and note the difference.

For my (late, lamented) King Cobra, the .38 was less accurate in general, while the .357 was dead on. So it was actually a pretty good setup - work hard to coax performance out of the .38 and then switch to precision rounds that do what you want. The recoil was sharper to be sure, but that's actually part of the thrill.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 08:52 PM (llXky)

389 383 Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:50 PM (MVjcR)

I like wadcutters, and being intimately familiar with a pistol's POA allows you to as Ayoob said of Cirillo "do heart surgery."

Posted by: sven at May 02, 2021 08:53 PM (Lzpvj)

390 I think a big part of the difference is the brisiance of the powder used to achieve the higher velocities.

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:47 PM (MVjcR)

That makes perfect sense, but like many people I am not tuned into the idea that modern pistols and revolvers (and riffles!) are not infinitely strong. It's pretty amazing that they can be damaged by the combustion of the powder.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2021 08:54 PM (Q9lwr)

391 Thanks for the gub thread, Weasel. As luck would have it, I spent way longer than I should have installing a bedside safe for the handguns I might purchase in the future. That job led to a succession of others (e.g., while I'm down here, might as well clean up the floor and paint the baseboard) and I missed the usual posting time.

It's not a range report per se, but I recently acquired a laser dry practice rig - would a review be of interest?

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at May 02, 2021 08:55 PM (Agr8U)

392 .50 SLAP was designed to give better armor
penetration to the M2HB, John Browning was many things but a crimper on
safety margins in receiver strength was never one of them.


Posted by: sven at May 02, 2021 08:51 PM (Lzpvj)

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One of the (many) advantages of shooting vintage firearms is that all the vulnerabilities are well known. Another is that because ammo was far less consistent in quality the designs tended to be rather robust.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 02, 2021 08:55 PM (llXky)

393 Posted by: whig at May 02, 2021 08:51 PM (pO7gM)
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I'd have to check, but I think I have some of the cor-bon rounds in 38 Spl around here somewhere, for when I was carrying the Model 64 a lot. Can't recall the bullet weight offhand, but I want to say they were around 140 gr. Might also be suffering a brain lapse!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:56 PM (MVjcR)

394 390 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2021 08:54 PM (Q9lwr)

If anything the drive to lighten weapons has begun the march back to fragility compared to the 70s-90s.

Rugers are built like tanks for the most part, but I trust the Security9 which I like a lot a lot less than I trusted the S and W 5906 which was legit stainless steel through and through.

Posted by: sven at May 02, 2021 08:56 PM (Lzpvj)

395 Heh, the Kentucky Ballistics video is now hot topic! Saw that Friday, showed it to a friend on Saturday. Wowee! Dude resides in the hand of Christ, glad to see he made it. Looking forward to more videos of him shooting BFGs in the future.

Posted by: exdem13 at May 02, 2021 08:56 PM (W+kMI)

396 382 The sturm and drang is different enough that it can throw you off. I dislike carry of 158 gr as they generally penetrate quite a bit more and do recoil more unless handloaded (see the Lucky Gunner test series of self defense ammo).

Since I reload, I prefer to use practice ammo that resembles my carry loads and in .357 Magnum, it is pretty easy to do. Same in .38 SPC or 9mm. The 125 grs should have about 1400 or so fps in velocity and the 110 grs. about the same if shooting HAP profile bullets or something similar. The 9mms seem standardized on about 1100-1150 for plus p and .38 Special plus p is about 1000 fps in service length barrels.

Posted by: whig at May 02, 2021 08:58 PM (pO7gM)

397
It's not a range report per se, but I recently acquired a laser dry practice rig - would a review be of interest?
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at May 02, 2021 08:55 PM (Agr8U)
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Ha! Do I ever know what you mean!
Yes, a review would be great! Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:58 PM (MVjcR)

398 And Leon is drinking lager.

Posted by: Johnny from Airplane! at May 02, 2021 08:58 PM (63Dwl)

399 BTW has anyone seen a grey mackaral pattern shorthair cat? Anko-chan disappeared from the sight of CPT Charles & myself today without leaving the house. Wonder if she dimensionally traveled when we weren't looking.

Posted by: exdem13 at May 02, 2021 08:59 PM (W+kMI)

400 Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 08:38 PM (OTzUX)

Saw that video. It's outstanding.
And the Captain agrees with me that they ought to be put back into service.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 02, 2021 09:00 PM (1ENjc)

401 Sure to be Willowed.

Thanks for the knowledge. Citgo, not Sunoco.


Weasel - I'm waiting for a sword to arrive. It's back ordered.

When it does photos and unboxing for the gun thread. It aint a gun. But reloads are muscle memory, and it never runs out. Martial Arts dojang master has promised to teqch me a bit of sword self defense.

Posted by: BifBewalski - good to be back home at May 02, 2021 09:01 PM (VcFUs)

402 Thank you Weasel and Horde! See y'all next week!

Posted by: screaming in digital at May 02, 2021 09:01 PM (kTRt4)

403 WDW!
(Weasel, well done).
GTGTB (Got to go to bed).

Posted by: RI Red at May 02, 2021 09:01 PM (8q3LH)

404 388 AH, As I reload, I chrony the factory stuff fired through my pistols for serious social purposes and then match up reloads that fit the same profile in bullet and speed. Easy enough to do in standard self defense rounds such as 9 mm, .38 Special, .357, and 45 ACP. I do not have a 40.

In rifles, it is much harder to do as ammo manufacturers have ways to exceed performance without raising pressures through some tricks that reloaders use with peril.

Posted by: whig at May 02, 2021 09:01 PM (pO7gM)

405 This thread has been successful!
My attitude has been adjusted.
Thanxs Weasel!

Posted by: Diogenes at May 02, 2021 09:02 PM (axyOa)

406 KY Ballistic' video even got Gun Jesus himself involved! Forgotten Weapons had a professor's hat style talk on "how and why guns explode". To nearly everyone on this thread it was old hat, sure. I found the video to be educational though.

Posted by: exdem13 at May 02, 2021 09:03 PM (W+kMI)

407 Weasel - I'm waiting for a sword to arrive. It's back ordered.

When it does photos and unboxing for the gun thread. It aint a gun. But reloads are muscle memory, and it never runs out. Martial Arts dojang master has promised to teqch me a bit of sword self defense.
Posted by: BifBewalski - good to be back home at May 02, 2021 09:01 PM (VcFUs)
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It's a stabby thing, so just let me know! I'll post about the one I have next Sunday. I'm not a sword guy, but I do appreciate craftsmanship!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 09:04 PM (MVjcR)

408 Posted by: screaming in digital at May 02, 2021 09:01 PM (kTRt4)
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'Night sid!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 09:04 PM (MVjcR)

409 401

Weasel - I'm waiting for a sword to arrive. It's back ordered.

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What kind of sword? Katana?

Posted by: exdem13 at May 02, 2021 09:04 PM (W+kMI)

410 Posted by: RI Red at May 02, 2021 09:01 PM (8q3LH)
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'Night! Always a pleasure!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 09:05 PM (MVjcR)

411 http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=393651
Nood, yo.

Thank you, Weasel for a nice gun thread.

Posted by: BifBewalski - good to be back home at May 02, 2021 09:05 PM (VcFUs)

412 Posted by: Diogenes at May 02, 2021 09:02 PM (axyOa)
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Good to hear! Adios!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 09:06 PM (MVjcR)

413 We're now in over-time, but whig without using a chrony I attempt (and, I think, succeed) in working up "duplicate" self-defense practice ammo that seems to match the recoil of the real stuff. Which satisfies my practice needs. I just load up a ladder of reloads/various charges, based on published data of velocities for the factory stuff and the reload recipes.

That has me start close enough, and then I just adjust til I have trouble distinguishing the recoil of the two, when intermingled in a magazine or a cylinder (the old close your eyes and spin the cylinder trick works here).

Posted by: rhomboid at May 02, 2021 09:06 PM (OTzUX)

414 OK. Thanks everyone! Always a pleasure. Enjoy the rest of your evening and have a great week. Hope to see you all right here next Sunday!! Goodnight!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 09:07 PM (MVjcR)

415
What kind of sword? Katana?
Posted by: exdem13 at May 02, 2021 09:04 PM (W+kMI)
28" m1840 cavalry sword from kult of athena.

Posted by: BifBewalski - good to be back home at May 02, 2021 09:08 PM (VcFUs)

416
Posted by: BifBewalski - good to be back home at May 02, 2021 09:05 PM (VcFUs)
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My pleasure, Bif!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 09:08 PM (MVjcR)

417 See ya at the MoMe! Trying to arrive on the 21st to help with the range if you need it.

Posted by: BifBewalski - good to be back home at May 02, 2021 09:10 PM (VcFUs)

418 Evening All. Late to the thread but...does anyone have any experience with Blue Street Ammo?

I attempted to order 1k small pistol primers but their site didn't provide a way to pay. Only that they accepted Zelle, Venmo or PayPal. I placed the order and received a text message this morning that was worded in what seemed to be Indian (dot) phrasing. A couple of messages back and forth didn't increase confidence and I told them to cancel the order.

Hated to do it cause I really want some primers...

Posted by: DKM at May 02, 2021 09:14 PM (IB7Eo)

419 Posted by: DKM at May 02, 2021 09:14 PM (IB7Eo)
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FWIW I haven't heard of them but that doesn't really mean much. Good luck!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 09:21 PM (MVjcR)

420
Posted by: BifBewalski - good to be back home at May 02, 2021 09:10 PM (VcFUs)
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OK! Let's talk closer to Oct. appreciate it!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 09:22 PM (MVjcR)

421 See the whites of their eyes then shoot
With all the romance of the Ton Ton Macoute

Posted by: SMOD at May 02, 2021 09:24 PM (X5CsJ)

422 Yes, a review would be great! Thank you!
Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2021 08:58 PM (MVjcR)


OK, I will endeavor to write up something coherent (meaning I won't be writing it tonight... ) Thanks.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at May 02, 2021 09:37 PM (Agr8U)

423 What's up, all the time i used to check webpage posts
here in the early hours in the break of day, as i like to gain knowledge of more and
more.

Posted by: Anime Stuff at May 06, 2021 02:18 AM (PE+Ba)

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