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Democrat-Supermajority DC Court of Appeals Sends Flynn Case Back to Spectacularly Biased Sullivan

I think the court has signaled that Sullivan's show trial must end -- they ruled that Flynn hasn't made it "indisputable" that Sullivan is too biased to judge this case, but that's not a ringing endorsement. That sounds like a caution flag.

And they ruled that Flynn still has other remedies for Sullivan's behavior beyond mandamus. Again, that's not blessing Sullivan's scheme to appoint his own prosecutor and conduct his own prosecution. It's claiming that Flynn has other remedies for this that he hasn't yet exhausted. (Exhausting all other remedies is a common requirement when seeking an interlocutory (while the case is still be decided) injunction.)

But will Sullivan heed those warnings, or will this ignorant incompetent miss them?

And what if he does miss them? This court has now announced itself as nothing more than a Democrat Star Chamber. Will they rebuke Sullivan after working so hard to spare him even a mild rebuke?

And by the way: Remember the NeverTrumpers (who are liberal Democrat partisans, straight up, no asterisk) are always dismissing your concerns about partisan judges as "But Muh Judges."

district judge, because Petitioner has not established a clear and indisputable right to reassignment." @CBSNews pic.twitter.com/AygbHtEPUQ
— Catherine Herridge (@CBS_Herridge) August 31, 2020

This Is Nothing But a Political Court Now: Viva Frei made these points: 1, Flynn should win on the law. It's not even close. 2, if he loses, it's only due to the court being 8-3 Democrats, with one Republican recusing himself.

He made the further point: If you can predict every single judge's vote based solely on their partisan affiliation -- ignoring the facts of the case -- then what you have is not a court of law, but a court of politics.

This is a court of politics.

Posted by: Ace at 02:52 PM

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1 So what are his options?

Posted by: IC at August 31, 2020 02:52 PM (a0IVu)

2 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 31, 2020 02:52 PM (Zz0t1)

3 anything these lefties haven't fucked up

Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2020 02:53 PM (O+AcM)

4 So what are his options?
Posted by: IC at August 31, 2020 02:52 PM (a0IVu)

LOLGF.

That's it.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 31, 2020 02:53 PM (Zz0t1)

5 not first

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 31, 2020 02:53 PM (LvTSG)

6 ODNI needs to release everything. Screw these guys

Posted by: Jmel at August 31, 2020 02:53 PM (PLn1R)

7 I hope I live to see the end of Flynn's case.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 31, 2020 02:53 PM (1ISKN)

8 What's that thing the Democrats always say? No Justice, No Peace? I always thought that was supposed to be an if-then proposition, not bullet points on their agenda.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at August 31, 2020 02:54 PM (GU8BL)

9 Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE NEIL GORSUCH at August 31, 2020 02:53 PM (Pzzpr)

You DICK!!!!

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at August 31, 2020 02:54 PM (Zz0t1)

10 Sydney Powell making her bones with this one fer shur

Posted by: kallisto at August 31, 2020 02:54 PM (DJFLF)

11 2 FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 31, 2020 02:52 PM (Zz0t1)

So close!

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 31, 2020 02:54 PM (M8lYG)

12 And they ruled that Flynn still has other remedies for Sullivan's behavior beyond mandamus.

_________

I can think of a couple ... but can't list them here.

Posted by: ShainS at August 31, 2020 02:54 PM (KqZCS)

13

worse news today, really

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 31, 2020 02:54 PM (rjE57)

14 Ace: "But will Sullivan heed those warnings, or will this ignorant incompetent miss them?"

Is this a rhetorical? I think this is a rhetorical.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at August 31, 2020 02:54 PM (HhXSr)

15 1 So what are his options?
Posted by: IC at August 31, 2020 02:52 PM (a0IVu

Give them something, anything on PDJT.

Posted by: ... at August 31, 2020 02:55 PM (Jv+hH)

16 "Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE"

Your trolling is getting old. Kill Yourself while there's still time.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at August 31, 2020 02:55 PM (CKyRi)

17
So close!
Posted by: Jordan61 at August 31, 2020 02:54 PM (M8lYG)

I was surprised someone nooded before posting. It was blank when I got here.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 31, 2020 02:55 PM (Zz0t1)

18
Nobody is warning Flynn. They're excusing his behavior, and they're punting back to him to run out the clock on the election.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 31, 2020 02:55 PM (wzG2V)

19 8 I hope I live to see the end of Flynn's case.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 31, 2020 02:53 PM (1ISKN)

___________

Even McCain's funeral will outlive it.

Posted by: ShainS at August 31, 2020 02:55 PM (KqZCS)

20 So say the DoJ is compelled to prosecute the case.

US attorney stands up and says "your Honor, everything I'm about to say is bullshit" and refuses to offer evidence or argument.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 31, 2020 02:55 PM (q2K0j)

21 Well ain't that a can of peaches.

Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home. Thanks China &&&& at August 31, 2020 02:55 PM (TxIZf)

22 Does Sullivan also get to be executioner?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 31, 2020 02:56 PM (kA3Cp)

23 Other remedies? What a fucking load of horseshit. All that means is sorry Trump loser you have to stay in legal limbo under this biased judge because Trump is still president and we still have some excuses to keep you there.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 31, 2020 02:56 PM (CzsKO)

24 Very Pontius Pilatey of them.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 31, 2020 02:56 PM (hku12)

25 And so it begins?

Posted by: Archer at August 31, 2020 02:56 PM (gmo/4)

26 Yeah. Flynn could always typedelete one or two typedeletes in the back of typedelete's typedelete. It wouldn't solve anything but I guarantee it would feel gloriously typedelete.

Posted by: ... at August 31, 2020 02:56 PM (Jv+hH)

27 Well ain't that a can of peaches.
Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home. Thanks China &&&& at August 31, 2020 02:55 PM (TxIZf)

an expired can of peaches

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 31, 2020 02:56 PM (rjE57)

28 The DC Circuit did not agree with Flynn, but it did not agree with Sullivan. Going to be interesting when Sullivan appoints his own prosecutor when the government refuses to proceed.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Convention Specials! Scalp Weasel Grooming Products 25% at The Outrage Outlet! at August 31, 2020 02:56 PM (bOfJF)

29 And so it begins?
Posted by: Archer at August 31, 2020 02:56 PM (gmo/4)

I couldn't believe this was actually happening to me.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 31, 2020 02:57 PM (Zz0t1)

30 What are Flynn's alternative remedies?

Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2020 02:57 PM (OTzUX)

31 25 Very Pontius Pilatey of them.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 31, 2020 02:56 PM (hku12)

Ecce homo.

And we're the homos.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 31, 2020 02:57 PM (1ISKN)

32 As expected. Everything is politicized. The courts should be protecting the rights of Flynn not Sullivan. Miscarriage of justice now multiplied.

Posted by: iandeal at August 31, 2020 02:57 PM (rva0r)

33 Unless Sullivan goes high-speed kangaroo, ain't shit gonna happen before Nov. 3.

And Nov. 4 opens Pardon Season, no matter who wins.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 31, 2020 02:57 PM (oVJmc)

34 Is this unusual?

Posted by: Josef K. at August 31, 2020 02:57 PM (QzkSJ)

35 Warning Sullivan, I mean.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 31, 2020 02:57 PM (wzG2V)

36 Well ain't that a can of peaches.
Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home. Thanks China &&&& at August 31, 2020 02:55 PM (TxIZf)

Alas, peach season has been a bust this year.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 31, 2020 02:57 PM (hku12)

37 "8 I hope I live to see the end of Flynn's case."

I hope you live at least until the end of the year. The case will be over shortly after the election.

Posted by: Eddie Baby at August 31, 2020 02:57 PM (wpJDK)

38 What are Flynn's alternative remedies?
Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2020 02:57 PM (OTzUX)

Don't ask.

Posted by: Jeffery Epstein at August 31, 2020 02:58 PM (Zz0t1)

39 Yep, Star Chamber, straight up.

Posted by: WisRich at August 31, 2020 02:58 PM (G0vdT)

40 23 Does Sullivan also get to be executioner?

We'll allow it.

Posted by: A Jury of Sullivans at August 31, 2020 02:58 PM (oVJmc)

41 Figures.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at August 31, 2020 02:58 PM (NWiLs)

42 "Petitioner has not established that he has 'no other adequate means to attain the relief he desires'... We also decline to mandate that the case be reassigned to a different
district judge, because Petitioner has not established a clear and indisputable right to reassignment."

Yeah there's no victim, there's no prosecutor, the evidence is shit, the charge is shit and the case is shit.

But the fucking petitioner, who is presumed innocent (LOLOLOLOLOL!) , apparently didn't adequately or expeditiously accord some fucking legal mumbo jumbo with a Writ of Squalamous forsooth and heretofore and thusly and this fucking circus must continue until WE get tired, you little Republican voting shits.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at August 31, 2020 02:58 PM (5bg3W)

43
This whole thing with Flynn ends in November, under one of the following scenarios, but with the same result: Flynn goes free.

The courts do their fucking job and drop all charges and make everything go away. Flynn goes free.

Trump wins re-election, the court refuses to drop the matter and Trump immediately pardons Flynn. Flynn goes free.

Trump loses the election, the court refuses to drop the matter and Trump immediately pardons Flynn. Flynn goes free.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 31, 2020 02:58 PM (EGyGV)

44 Yes, judges are God's unto themselves. They have complete control over the life and death of our citizens and are not bound by our Constitution and the laws of our Congress. Nobody should question their fiats, nor their ability to protect their own corrupt asses.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 31, 2020 02:58 PM (VpIIl)

45 Have Flynn give an interview with Atkinsson or someone like that. And immediately pardon him for that.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 31, 2020 02:58 PM (qlFIA)

46
I hope you live at least until the end of the year. The case will be over shortly after the election.

-----

Yup, the outcome of this case will be determined on Nov. 3.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 31, 2020 02:58 PM (wzG2V)

47 I haven't been following this at all, but shooting from the hip here -- it's very rare for an appellate court to openly call out a judge for being unprofessional. Assuming they were ruling on the law (I don't know the interlocutory appeals stuff at the federal level beyond what I had to memorize for the bar exam), I think it would be a bit too much for us to expect the appeals court to say "we're not allowing this appeal because the process hasnt been followed, and also, the district court judge is an unprofessional ass hat who is letting his politics come before the law."

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 02:58 PM (cnTJD)

48 >>So say the DoJ is compelled to prosecute the case.

The court has no power to force the DOJ to prosecute.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2020 02:58 PM (ZLI7S)

49 What are Flynn's alternative remedies?

Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2020 02:57 PM (OTzUX)

Wagnerian conflagration of apocalyptic proportions for the win!

Posted by: Archer at August 31, 2020 02:58 PM (gmo/4)

50 Sullivan will do whatever delays him making a decision until after Jan 21

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 31, 2020 02:58 PM (+WX6j)

51 The Left won their battle to keep it going past November 5th. That's what all the fighting all summer, ever since Barr announced that he wanted it dropped back in April, has been about. Now it's easy. Sullivan is going to be allowed to call back in his fake Prosecutor Leftist Judge friend to throw dirt at Flynn with no pushback.

After November 5th, this all goes away for one reason or another, mainly because the left has no interest in it now other than as a potential campaign issue.

It is a very good sign as to how thoroughly politically corrupt the D.C. judicial establishment is. It's a reason why Barr is so cautious about pushing any prosecutions there, I'm sure.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 31, 2020 02:58 PM (Kpl3J)

52 As usual, it's not good to wish for bad things so you can benefit politically, but I don't have any power over these proceedings. Therefore I see good things coming out of this, namely the dawning recognition that our judiciary is out of control and needs a severe spanking.

Posted by: pep at August 31, 2020 02:59 PM (v16oJ)

53 27 Yeah. Flynn could always typedelete one or two typedeletes in the back of typedelete's typedelete. It wouldn't solve anything but I guarantee it would feel gloriously typedelete.

Posted by: ... at August 31, 2020 02:56 PM (Jv+hH)

_________

Mind reader.

Posted by: ShainS at August 31, 2020 02:59 PM (KqZCS)

54 Trump is far more patient that I because I would have been there with the pardon papers, rubbed them all over my taint, and then shoved the papers into the judges' faces.

Because I'm a lady.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at August 31, 2020 02:59 PM (GbPPJ)

55 I saw High Speed Kangaroo open for Murder Hag in Philly back in 1992.

Posted by: ... at August 31, 2020 02:59 PM (Jv+hH)

56 Trump is far more patient that I because I would have been there with the pardon papers, rubbed them all over my taint, and then shoved the papers into the judges' faces.

Because I'm a lady.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at August 31, 2020 02:59 PM (GbPPJ)

That's hot.

Posted by: Jeffery Epstein at August 31, 2020 02:59 PM (Zz0t1)

57 Damn perv sock.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 31, 2020 03:00 PM (Zz0t1)

58 "This whole thing with Flynn ends in November, under one of the following scenarios, but with the same result: Flynn goes free."

I was kinda hoping one option was most of the Democrats in the Second Circuit were lost in a fiery train wreck.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 31, 2020 03:00 PM (VpIIl)

59 FACEPALM

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at August 31, 2020 03:00 PM (FJyH1)

60 Archer, nice. A risky option, but one of them.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2020 03:00 PM (OTzUX)

61 56 Trump is far more patient that I because I would have been there with the pardon papers, rubbed them all over my taint, and then shoved the papers into the judges' faces.

Because I'm a lady.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at August 31, 2020 02:59 PM (GbPPJ)

The papercuts, though...*winces*

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at August 31, 2020 03:00 PM (NWiLs)

62 56 Trump is far more patient that I because I would have been there with the pardon papers, rubbed them all over my taint, and then shoved the papers into the judges' faces.

Because I'm a lady.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at August 31, 2020 02:59 PM (GbPPJ)

The legal term is perineum.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 31, 2020 03:00 PM (1ISKN)

63
Wagnerian conflagration of apocalyptic proportions for the win!

Pfffffft.

Posted by: End of days at August 31, 2020 03:00 PM (v16oJ)

64 Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE NEIL GORSUCH at August 31, 2020 03:00 PM (Pzzpr)

You DICK!!!!

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at August 31, 2020 03:00 PM (Zz0t1)

65 Mind reader.
Posted by: ShainS at August 31, 2020 02:59 PM (KqZCS)

It's a gift.

Posted by: ... at August 31, 2020 03:00 PM (Jv+hH)

66 Your trolling is getting old. Kill Yourself while there's still time.

You gotta give them points for persistence. Most people, seeing that their posts were replaced by insults, would give up. Not mirror universe dipshit, though, they've got grit.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at August 31, 2020 03:01 PM (GU8BL)

67
The papercuts, though...*winces*
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at August 31, 2020 03:00 PM (NWiLs)

Stay centered on the page for maximum effectiveness.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 31, 2020 03:01 PM (Zz0t1)

68 Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Just watched what Biden had to say. To me, he's blaming the Police far more than he's blaming the Rioters, Anarchists, Agitators, and Looters, which he could never blame or he would lose the Radical Left Bernie supports!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 31, 2020 03:01 PM (rjE57)

69 WILL SOMEONE KINDLY ASK JACKSTRAW WHEN HE THINKS JOHN DURHAM WILL DROP THE HAMMER? LOL
***

#twoweeks, same as #twoweeks ago

Posted by: The two weeks guy at August 31, 2020 03:01 PM (qlFIA)

70 Wow, even we can't believe this is legal!

-The Soviet Union's Justice System

Posted by: Archer at August 31, 2020 03:01 PM (gmo/4)

71 This is the fruit of the poison Marbury v Madison tree; one case where the Founders fucked up by not striking that usurpation of power down.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 31, 2020 03:01 PM (y7DUB)

72
I was kinda hoping one option was most of the Democrats in the Second Circuit were lost in a fiery train wreck.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 31, 2020 03:00 PM (VpIIl)

Shit. I KNEW I forgot something.

Mea Culpa. Mea Maxima Culpa.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 31, 2020 03:02 PM (EGyGV)

73 This is starting to feel like Jarndyce vs. Jarndyce!

Posted by: RobertM at August 31, 2020 03:02 PM (lEqw+)

74 One solution would be to ________ Sullivan

messy, but it would solve the problem. And create other problems, you ask.

maybe; maybe not

Posted by: What's in the box? What's in the booooxxxxxx ? at August 31, 2020 03:02 PM (8KSPd)

75 Its almost as if they WANT us to revolt and burn everything down. When the Judiciary has run amuck what are we to do?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 31, 2020 03:02 PM (uyKdz)

76 So Sullivan gets to continue torturing Flynn for how long? Forever?

Posted by: Muad'dib at August 31, 2020 03:02 PM (0GJk6)

77 I would have been there with the pardon papers, rubbed them all over
my taint, and then shoved the papers into the judges' faces.

___

I hear there is a market for this in Japan.

Posted by: Obligatory at August 31, 2020 03:02 PM (qlFIA)

Posted by: Sean Spicer at August 31, 2020 03:02 PM (PtOP4)

79 Hey, I'm as impartial as that ass boil on my dick.

Posted by: Impartial Judge Sullivan at August 31, 2020 03:02 PM (Z4rgH)

80 24 Other remedies? What a fucking load of horseshit. All that means is sorry Trump loser you have to stay in legal limbo under this biased judge because Trump is still president and we still have some excuses to keep you there.
Posted by: Buzzion at August 31, 2020 02:56 PM (CzsKO)

Courts hate interlocutory appeals for a very obvious reason. Lets say you could appeal all the way up the chain on every decision a judge makes. Cases would never end.

So the appeals court is likely just trying to not set precedent that "okay, in this case we'll allow this appeal outside the normal chain of events it normally takes to get an interlocutory appeal because we think you're right here." They just don't want to open that door.

So just from a procedural and justice system working smoothly point of view, I get why they wouldn't entertain this.

In other words, I don't think this is bad news for Flynn, or really unexpected.

That being said, I could be completely talking out of my ass here, since I have not been following this case at all.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:02 PM (cnTJD)

81 As has been said numerous times, the only way Flynn escapes the Deep States Wheel of Pain is through a pardon.

Sullivan is simply going to dick around until Trump issues one.

This is bullshit.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 31, 2020 03:02 PM (OyBX/)

82 defrico perineum

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 31, 2020 03:02 PM (1ISKN)

83 "Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE NEIL GORSUCH at August 31, 2020 03:00 PM (Pzzpr)"

Frankly, I am more interested when your going to light yourself on a fire so I can film it, lop it and laugh at your screaming with some Orville Redenbacher Movie Theater Buttered Popcorn.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 31, 2020 03:03 PM (VpIIl)

84
This is the fruit of the poison Marbury v Madison tree; one case where the Founders fucked up by not striking that usurpation of power down.
Posted by: Captain Hate at August 31, 2020 03:01 PM (y7DUB)

------

The Courts have been overstepping their Article III boundaries since John Marshall's naked grab for power in 1803. He was an unmitigated disaster. I wish Jackson would have just killed him like he did so many others.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 31, 2020 03:03 PM (wzG2V)

85 Flynn is the real life version of The Trial.

/this is really, really not good for the rest of us. We are ruled by demon judges.

Posted by: shibumi, awaiting SMOD at August 31, 2020 03:03 PM (ZCiJZ)

86 Unless Sullivan goes high-speed kangaroo, ain't shit gonna happen before Nov. 3.

And Nov. 4 opens Pardon Season, no matter who wins.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 31, 2020 02:57 PM (oVJmc)

Flynn's going to be fine. Flynn is not really the one with his arse in the trap. It's everyone who is going to be implicated when Flynn is able to speak freely.

So it's just a stall, a Hail Mary being thrown, one they hope to be able to catch by having Biden win and Flynn being weakened/silenced forever.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 31, 2020 03:03 PM (hku12)

87 This whole thing with Flynn ends in November, under one of the following scenarios, but with the same result: Flynn goes free.

The courts do their fucking job and drop all charges and make everything go away. Flynn goes free.

Trump wins re-election, the court refuses to drop the matter and Trump immediately pardons Flynn. Flynn goes free.

Trump loses the election, the court refuses to drop the matter and Trump immediately pardons Flynn. Flynn goes free.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 31, 2020 02:58 PM (EGyGV)

I agree with your assessment - always have. I can see a couple of other ways that same conclusion could play out, that's trivial. One is, Sullivan plays around with it until November 3rd, Trump wins, Sullivan gets bored and sees there's no more point, so drops it himself then.

This entire obstruction has been to create a Campaign Issue that can be used by Joe Biden. It's a political Op by the Dem's Lawfare division. They've been working to keep it going all summer for just that reason, and on that point, the Dem establishment has won, they got what they wanted.

The one saving grace for us is that it's not nearly the prize they thought it would be.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 31, 2020 03:03 PM (Kpl3J)

88 76
Its almost as if they WANT us to revolt and burn everything down. When the Judiciary has run amuck what are we to do?
**whistles, hammers top rail on gibbet**

Posted by: pep at August 31, 2020 03:03 PM (v16oJ)

89 David Shafer @DavidShafer

Those donating to @KamalaHarris's appeal helped bail out peaceful protestor Lionel Timms, who was re-arrested last week, this time for an alleged assault that left the victim with a fractured skull and traumatic brain injury.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 31, 2020 03:03 PM (rjE57)

90 Aren't they just trying to run out the clock until Biden gets elected? I believe you floated this idea in an earlier post.

Posted by: Shtetl G at August 31, 2020 03:03 PM (16cUT)

91 This is almost a trivial example of judicial misconduct - as heinous as it is. The usurpation of executive (and legislative) authority (now, even in national security matters), the Revolutionary Command Council social engineering of society, these are momentous aspects of the problem that dwarf even the outrageous Flynn case.

And there's nothing that will fix this without the will in the executive and/or legislative branches - which is undetectable, even using a PCR nasal swab cycled 48 times.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2020 03:03 PM (OTzUX)

92 The circuit court may have privately told Sullivan, "OK, we let you save face. Now get this thing over with quickly. We don't want it coming back up here, because other than the prematurity of the mandamus problem, Sidney had some good issues."

Posted by: wethal101@hotmail.com at August 31, 2020 03:04 PM (ZzVCK)

93 Joe Scarborough and his fans are very happy about this.

Posted by: Jane D'Oh at August 31, 2020 03:04 PM (ptqGC)

94
I hear there is a market for this in Japan.
Posted by: Obligatory at August 31, 2020 03:02 PM (qlFIA)

It's right next to the subway rape car.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 31, 2020 03:04 PM (Zz0t1)

95 Egg McMuffin: Over Easy

Evan McMullin@EvanMcMullin

If you're out there rioting and vandalizing, you're helping Trump win. He's exploiting you. Please stop.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 31, 2020 03:04 PM (+y/Ru)

96 Courts hate interlocutory appeals for a very obvious reason. Lets say you could appeal all the way up the chain on every decision a judge makes. Cases would never end.

So the appeals court is likely just trying to not set precedent that "okay, in this case we'll allow this appeal outside the normal chain of events it normally takes to get an interlocutory appeal because we think you're right here." They just don't want to open that door.

So just from a procedural and justice system working smoothly point of view, I get why they wouldn't entertain this.

In other words, I don't think this is bad news for Flynn, or really unexpected.

That being said, I could be completely talking out of my ass here, since I have not been following this case at all.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:02 PM (cnTJD)

The government fast tracks and makes special circumstances for things all the time.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 31, 2020 03:04 PM (CzsKO)

97 Let all who think that the courts, the law, or the process have anything to do with justice know this: You have no rights and no recourse. There is no justice. There is no law. If you annoy the machine, the machine will punish you. If you are opposed to the machine and try to fix it, the machine will destroy you. If you get very very lucky like Flynn did, the machine will just hold you in the purgatory of an ongoing and corrupt process forever.

Why consider the law at all? If you'll be destroyed regardless, what value is there in being law-abiding? Why have an iota of trust in a system that seeks your damnation?

I always thought of our courts and laws as deeply flawed, contradictory and enabling abuse. I didn't see them for what they are - as an infernal machine aligned against that which is just - until this case. I may have been late to the party, but my eyes are open now.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 31, 2020 03:04 PM (Q8c/L)

98 I want to see the 8 frog-marched out by US Marshals for corruption charges. I guarantee there's something there.

Ah, fantasy.

Posted by: Brother Tim sez: There is always More Stupid at August 31, 2020 03:04 PM (OUMaO)

99 89 This entire obstruction has been to create a Campaign Issue that can be used by Joe Biden. It's a political Op by the Dem's Lawfare division. They've been working to keep it going all summer for just that reason, and on that point, the Dem establishment has won, they got what they wanted.

The one saving grace for us is that it's not nearly the prize they thought it would be.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 31, 2020 03:03 PM (Kpl3J)

=========

The fact that Trump isn't pardoning all his "minions" like Stone (commutation, sure), Flynn, and Manafort is making pretty bad evidence that Trump is some tyrannical fascist dictator.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 31, 2020 03:05 PM (LvTSG)

100 Joe Scarborough and his fans are very happy about this.
Posted by: Jane D'Oh at August 31, 2020 03:04 PM (ptqGC)

Boaf us?

Posted by: 2 Dumb Blondes at August 31, 2020 03:05 PM (Zz0t1)

101 If this is designed to keep Flynn silent about something, he needs to disregard it and speak out. The courts have lost all moral authority along with our totalitarian police state. Flynn has enough ties to make these judges suffer real quickly.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat (Joe Biden Didn't Kill Himself at August 31, 2020 03:05 PM (puu6v)

102 Evan McMullin@EvanMcMullin

If you're out there rioting and vandalizing, you're helping Trump win. He's exploiting you. Please stop.

Speaking of exploiting, pay your campaign debts!

Posted by: Guy Smiley at August 31, 2020 03:05 PM (jbF6h)

103 Funny how the Democrats suddenly turn into rules lawyers when a ruling doesn't seem to be in their favor.

Tell Flynn to be patient and to trust in the Lord for a little while longer. After Trump wins the election he can pardon Flynn that Wednesday morning.

Posted by: exdem13 at August 31, 2020 03:05 PM (W+kMI)

104 Trump is far more patient that I because I would
have been there with the pardon papers, rubbed them all over my taint,
and then shoved the papers into the judges' faces.

Because I'm a lady.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at August 31, 2020 02:59 PM (GbPPJ)

Well you're more a lady than me (lol), because I would have had one of our nasty wetwork types remove this piss ant from the planet by now, real quiet like.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 31, 2020 03:05 PM (9Om/r)

105 Barr may be better then Sessions, but he doesn't want to Epstein himself either.

NOTHING is happening until after Nov, unless, I suppose Trump himself forces the issue which is risky - one could imagine, for example, Trump releasing everything the government has on Epstein and the Dems/FNM declaring he is doing it to protect Ghislane.

The moment were Wray took all of the Epstein evidence from his island and destroyed it should have been enlightening.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 31, 2020 03:05 PM (qlFIA)

106 97 Egg McMuffin: Over Easy

Evan McMullin@EvanMcMullin

If you're out there rioting and vandalizing, you're helping Trump win. He's exploiting you. Please stop.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 31, 2020 03:04 PM (+y/Ru)

==========

"I don't care about the business owners and their lost livelihoods."
-Translation

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 31, 2020 03:05 PM (LvTSG)

107 Evan McMullin@EvanMcMullin

If you're out there rioting and vandalizing, you're helping Trump win. He's exploiting you. Please stop.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 31, 2020 03:04 PM (+y/Ru)

He's. Exploiting. Rioters.

The spin has to hurt the brain coming up with it.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 31, 2020 03:05 PM (Zz0t1)

108 I wish Jackson would have just killed him like he did so many others.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 31, 2020 03:03 PM (wzG2V)
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Well, he didn't insult Rachel, which was the usual way to set Jackson off.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Task Group Cluebat at August 31, 2020 03:05 PM (MjnY3)

109 So the Second Circuit ruled that judges have a right and license to continue torturing innocent citizens whom prosecutors have decided are not guilty of the crimes they originally were pursuing?

That's an interesting take on law and Constitution. They are now judge, jury and prosecutor.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 31, 2020 03:06 PM (VpIIl)

110
This whole thing with Flynn ends in November, under one of the following scenarios, but with the same result: Flynn goes free.

The courts do their fucking job and drop all charges and make everything go away. Flynn goes free.

Trump wins re-election, the court refuses to drop the matter and Trump immediately pardons Flynn. Flynn goes free.

Trump loses the election, the court refuses to drop the matter and Trump immediately pardons Flynn. Flynn goes free.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 31, 2020 02:58 PM (EGyGV)

Trump wins and republicans take back the house and vote to abolish the DC Circut Court.

Posted by: Rioting Genius at August 31, 2020 03:06 PM (PtOP4)

111 Did anyone expect them top slap down Sullivan?

Anyway, I suspect snack barr to do nothing about antifa blm moneymen. He moves slow as a glacier and is only showing cosmetic progress.

Posted by: CN at August 31, 2020 03:06 PM (ONvIw)

112 I mean how fucking often does the prosecution say they're dropping the case and it's done and the judge throws a temper tantrum and says they not allowed to do that? How isn't that a special case requiring fast tracking?

Posted by: Buzzion at August 31, 2020 03:06 PM (CzsKO)

113 >>The circuit court may have privately told Sullivan, "OK, we let you save face. Now get this thing over with quickly. We don't want it coming back up here, because other than the prematurity of the mandamus problem, Sidney had some good issues."

As good as she was Deputy Solicitor General Wall was even better. Clearly the smartest guy in the room including all the judges.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2020 03:06 PM (ZLI7S)

114 The Trial was unfinished by Kafka. The published version ended with -

"Wie ein Hund sagte er - es war, als sollte die Scham ihm uberleben wurde"

"Like a dog, he said - it was as if the shame would outlive him."

Flynn's trial will have an ending, but the comparison with The Trial is not bad.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2020 03:07 PM (OTzUX)

115 Will our new esteemed commenter NicklebackJ give his opinion? I don't think I can live without it. I call him NicklebackJ because he thinks he sounds great but nobody cares or is buying what he's selling.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 31, 2020 03:07 PM (xGKh3)

116 I saw Writ of Squalamus Forsooth open for Skalpel at Klub Palladium in '98.

Posted by: ShainS at August 31, 2020 03:07 PM (12Yiz)

117 114 Did anyone expect them top slap down Sullivan?

Anyway, I suspect snack barr to do nothing about antifa blm moneymen. He moves slow as a glacier and is only showing cosmetic progress.
Posted by: CN at August 31, 2020 03:06 PM (ONvIw)

========

I don't know.

As of last week, there's a solid chance that the FBI collected evidence of conspiracy to move across state lines to riot from a lot of people that they didn't have two weeks ago.

We'll see.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 31, 2020 03:07 PM (LvTSG)

118

Sidney Powell @SidneyPowell1

The En Banc D.C. Circuit has denied the writ of mandamus requested by @GenFlynn
-- split as expected along lines evident from the tone and tenor of the judges at oral argument.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 31, 2020 03:07 PM (rjE57)

119 Flynn goes to jail. Hell - Trump goes to jail eventually. At least if it all stays civil.
***

Yep, I presume most of the non-Never trumpers as well.

On lefty boards they are pretty open about this - Trump, his family, etc all go to jail of Biden wins - they'll figure out what the actual charges are later.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 31, 2020 03:08 PM (qlFIA)

120 >>NOTHING is happening until after Nov, unless, I suppose Trump himself forces the issue which is risky - one could imagine, for example, Trump releasing everything the government has on Epstein and the Dems/FNM declaring he is doing it to protect Ghislane.

A lot of the evidence against Maxwell is already scheduled for release in late September.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2020 03:08 PM (ZLI7S)

121 Trump loses the election, the court refuses to drop the matter and Trump immediately pardons Flynn. Flynn goes free.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 31, 2020 02:58 PM (EGyGV)

You're missing a final possible step on this one. The democrats ignore all matters of the constitution and the law and declare that Trump's pardon is illegitimate and Flynn gets sent back to trial.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 31, 2020 03:08 PM (CzsKO)

122 Courts backing the unlimited power, of the Courts.

Gee, what a surprise!

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 31, 2020 03:08 PM (NgKpN)

123 I strongly suspect Trump already knows what Flynn knows. Grenell knows what Flynn knows, Ratcliffe knows what Flynn knows. They're waiting for this monkey show to be over, so they can use this information legally.

If Trump is in no hurry to release Flynn from his legal trap, it probably means he's comfortable with waiting. That he's going to use Flynn's knowledge when the time comes, and the time just isn't right now.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 31, 2020 03:08 PM (hku12)

124 I know this will label me as a crackpot, but this website has some outside mainstream views of the law and some of the BS.

http://www.thetruthaboutthelaw.com/

I don't buy into everything, but it's some interesting reading.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 31, 2020 03:08 PM (1ISKN)

125 That's where you're wrong. Just flat assed wrong. If the DNC wins this one, it doesn't matter what papers Trump signs before he leaves. Flynn goes to jail. Hell - Trump goes to jail eventually. At least if it all stays civil.

Posted by: Fight Dirty or Not at All at August 31, 2020 03:06 PM (nAjD1)

Exactly. The left will move fast with indictments, like a wildfire. No t crossing no interminable i dotting. It'll be like lightning. And all the unindicted conspirators will be back on the job to do it.

Posted by: CN at August 31, 2020 03:08 PM (ONvIw)

126 But fuckers....If judges act like a mob....What'd we need judges?

Posted by: humphreyrobot at August 31, 2020 03:08 PM (pB6Gt)

127
I've been trying to think of a way to handle the federal government peacefully, and sadly, I have to look to the wops.

The Maxiprocesso in '86. Build the case, get the evidence, and then lightning arrest every person in sight, and try them in a fortified bunker inside the prison where you're holding them. Surround it with APCs and air cover.

Hand out life-sentences like candy on Christmas, and write up an Article 41 type law that allows for draconian solitary confinement of the prisoners on remote islands.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 31, 2020 03:09 PM (wzG2V)

128 So just from a procedural and justice system working smoothly point of view, I get why they wouldn't entertain this.

In other words, I don't think this is bad news for Flynn, or really unexpected.

That being said, I could be completely talking out of my ass here, since I have not been following this case at all.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:02 PM (cnTJD)

Technically, you could make that case - but the underlying facts in this particular case are so outrageous that it shouts out for some higher court relief.

1) Flynn plead guilty to a process crime.
2) Flynn says later "I was blackmailed by the DOJ into making that plea, I was never guilty."
3) DOJ says "Yeah, he's right, we blackmailed him into making that plea, we're sorry about that."
4) Attorney General says "Yeah that was a dirty charge , should never have been made, we are dropping all charges."
5) Judge Sullivan says "HOLD ON! I think he's still guilty! You can't drop charges, I'm gonna do the Prosecution myself!!!"

I think that if that doesn't call for intervention from a higher court, nothing does.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 31, 2020 03:09 PM (Kpl3J)

129 45 Yes, judges are God's unto themselves. They have complete control over the life and death of our citizens and are not bound by our Constitution and the laws of our Congress. Nobody should question their fiats, nlor their ability to protect their own corrupt asses.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 31, 2020 02:58 PM (VpIIl)

__________

I was assured by Benedict Roberts that there were no political judges.

Posted by: ShainS at August 31, 2020 03:09 PM (12Yiz)

130 126 I strongly suspect Trump already knows what Flynn knows. Grenell knows what Flynn knows, Ratcliffe knows what Flynn knows. They're waiting for this monkey show to be over, so they can use this information legally.

If Trump is in no hurry to release Flynn from his legal trap, it probably means he's comfortable with waiting. That he's going to use Flynn's knowledge when the time comes, and the time just isn't right now.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 31, 2020 03:08 PM (hku12)

==========

I really wouldn't be surprised if Trump has a date he wants this information to come out.

If Flynn gets out before that date, then great, they can hold onto it until then.

If Flynn is still in legal limbo at that date, then he can just pardon Flynn and start the show right then.

I mean, it's the sort of thing you might expect from a president who really wants to win re-election by burying his opponent in his own corruption.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 31, 2020 03:10 PM (LvTSG)

131
If you're out there rioting and vandalizing, you're helping Trump win. He's exploiting you. Please stop.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 31, 2020 03:04 PM (+y/Ru)

If the rioting helps his senile and corrupt buddy, carry on.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at August 31, 2020 03:10 PM (lgiXo)

132 I was assured by Benedict Roberts that there were no political judges.
___

Also, I totally didn't do anything wrong with those kids.

Posted by: John Roberts at August 31, 2020 03:10 PM (qlFIA)

133 Willowed.

More projection than an 18 theater cineplex:

Joe Biden@JoeBiden

Donald Trump keeps telling us if he was president, you'd feel safe.

Well, he is president - whether he knows it or not.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 31, 2020 03:10 PM (+y/Ru)

134 The government fast tracks and makes special circumstances for things all the time.
Posted by: Buzzion at August 31, 2020 03:04 PM (CzsKO)

How many times have you heard of an interlocutory appeal where an appellate court forced the trial court judge to recuse himself, and/or end the case?

I'm not saying it's never happened, just that it would set a ... sticky ... precedent.

As a commenter said upthread, it's certainly possible that the appeals court had a conversation with the district court judge where they basically said "you'd lose on the merits here, judge. The guy didn't exhaust his legal remedies before this appeal, and for procedural and precedential reasons, we're not going to ignore that. But if this does come back up to us, you're going to lose. So fix this before that happens."

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:10 PM (cnTJD)

135 If Trump is in no hurry to release Flynn from his legal trap, it probably means he's comfortable with waiting. That he's going to use Flynn's knowledge when the time comes, and the time just isn't right now.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 31, 2020 03:08 PM (hku12)

If Trump is comfortable with what's going on in that court and with Barr's lack of initiative with the BLM/Antifa moneymen, it's a sad day. Justice delayed is still justice denied.

Posted by: CN at August 31, 2020 03:11 PM (ONvIw)

136 Flynn's trial will have an ending, but the comparison with The Trial is not bad.

Are you sure it will have an ending? I'm not.

Posted by: shibumi, awaiting SMOD at August 31, 2020 03:11 PM (ZCiJZ)

137 Lawyers and judges are just like everybody else. Trying to impress the chicks.

Posted by: klaftern at August 31, 2020 03:11 PM (RuIsu)

138 @122

The SDNY and NY AG already have this shit queued up.

I would not be surprised in the least if there are agents waiting outside the White House to take Trump into custody the moment he walks out the door as an ex-President.

Either in a few months or a few years time.

These monsters will never quit.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 31, 2020 03:11 PM (OyBX/)

139 The circuit court may have privately told Sullivan, "OK, we let you save face. Now get this thing over with quickly. We don't want it coming back up here, because other than the prematurity of the mandamus problem, Sidney had some good issues."
Posted by: wethal101@hotmail.com at August 31, 2020 03:04 PM (ZzVCK)

I'd like to think that just like wishing Traitor Roberts would say "you fuckers are making it too Goddamn obvious what tyrannical dickholes we are".

But I don't. They like being tyrannical dickholes.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 31, 2020 03:12 PM (y7DUB)

140
Joe Biden@JoeBiden

Donald Trump keeps telling us if he was president, you'd feel safe.

Well, he is president - whether he knows it or not.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 31, 2020 03:10 PM (+y/Ru)

Who shit my pants?

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 31, 2020 03:12 PM (Zz0t1)

141 Confucious say "Hope in one hand and piss into the other and see which one fills up first."

Posted by: JAS at August 31, 2020 03:12 PM (2BZBZ)

142 Appeals court deals setback to House Democrats' effort to force McGahn to testify
The three-judge panel ruled 2-t

just the news - Solomon's site

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 31, 2020 03:12 PM (rjE57)

143 OK, so the Judge is clearly not following procedure, and in fact is not following rulings of the Supreme Court,

But this senior Court says the defendant has OTHER options? Vice going to an out of control Judges Bosses?

Just what are those other options? Bend over?

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 31, 2020 03:12 PM (NgKpN)

144 If Trump is comfortable with what's going on in that court and with
Barr's lack of initiative with the BLM/Antifa moneymen, it's a sad day.
Justice delayed is still justice denied.
***

One interesting aspect of this though - if Trump thought he was going to lose the election I presume he would be MUCH more active with BLM/Antifa.

If Biden is going to win and you and your family are going to jail I presume you press the pedal to the medal and instruct Barr to arrest Soros and everyone else funding BLM/Antifa and let the chips fall where they may

Posted by: 18-1 at August 31, 2020 03:13 PM (qlFIA)

145 Sullivan isnt missing anything. He is following orders.

Posted by: Chris W at August 31, 2020 03:13 PM (ENWT/)

146
Either in a few months or a few years time.

These monsters will never quit.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 31, 2020 03:11 PM (OyBX/)

No. They are prepping like crazy. Barr can't shift out of park.

Posted by: CN at August 31, 2020 03:13 PM (ONvIw)

147 Anyone thing of contributing to Trump, they're doing 800% matching.

And they're only $83k short of their fundraising goal.

Posted by: Tami at August 31, 2020 03:14 PM (cF8AT)

148 Only 2 weeks
IPNTCIYM

Posted by: f'd at August 31, 2020 03:14 PM (rdUdY)

149 I think that if that doesn't call for intervention from a higher court, nothing does.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 31, 2020 03:09 PM (Kpl3J)

I'm sure legal eagle will release a video saying you are wrong and flynn is clearly guilty of high treason and should be summarily executed.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 31, 2020 03:14 PM (+WX6j)

150 Technically, you could make that case - but the underlying facts in this particular case are so outrageous that it shouts out for some higher court relief.

1) Flynn plead guilty to a process crime.
2) Flynn says later "I was blackmailed by the DOJ into making that plea, I was never guilty."
3) DOJ says "Yeah, he's right, we blackmailed him into making that plea, we're sorry about that."
4) Attorney General says "Yeah that was a dirty charge , should never have been made, we are dropping all charges."
5) Judge Sullivan says "HOLD ON! I think he's still guilty! You can't drop charges, I'm gonna do the Prosecution myself!!!"

I think that if that doesn't call for intervention from a higher court, nothing does.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 31, 2020 03:09 PM (Kpl3J)

Yeah, I mean, if you had asked me a few years ago if a judge could reinstate charges that a prosecutor dropped I would have said, "I don't think so... I've never heard of such a thing."

So that is a fair point. But, again, I haven't looked in to this at all. Procedural stuff is so beyond boring to me that I can't imagine ever deep diving in to it for fun.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:14 PM (cnTJD)

151 150 Anyone thing of contributing to Trump, they're doing 800% matching.

And they're only $83k short of their fundraising goal.
Posted by: Tami at August 31, 2020 03:14 PM (cF8AT)

========

Yeah, I've gotten the texts.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 31, 2020 03:14 PM (LvTSG)

152 142 The circuit court may have privately told Sullivan, "OK, we let you save face. Now get this thing over with quickly. We don't want it coming back up here, because other than the prematurity of the mandamus problem, Sidney had some good issues."
Posted by: wethal101@hotmail.com at August 31, 2020 03:04 PM (ZzVCK)

I'd like to think that just like wishing Traitor Roberts would say "you fuckers are making it too Goddamn obvious what tyrannical dickholes we are".

But I don't. They like being tyrannical dickholes.
Posted by: Captain Hate at August 31, 2020 03:12 PM (y7DUB)

The issue is the publics perception of the Court.

This does not help.

Same as the FBI and DOJ crap against the President.

Unless someone gets slapped both Publicly, AND Legally, any trust we have in those organizations is greatly diminished.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 31, 2020 03:15 PM (NgKpN)

153 152 I think that if that doesn't call for intervention from a higher court, nothing does.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 31, 2020 03:09 PM (Kpl3J)

I'm sure legal eagle will release a video saying you are wrong and flynn is clearly guilty of high treason and should be summarily executed.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 31, 2020 03:14 PM (+WX6j)

==========

I used to like that guy.

I blocked his channel when he did his BLM video.

Nope, don't need his sort of entertaining breakdowns of courtroom scenes in movies anymore.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 31, 2020 03:15 PM (LvTSG)

154 One interesting aspect of this though - if Trump thought he was going to lose the election I presume he would be MUCH more active with BLM/Antifa.

If Biden is going to win and you and your family are going to jail I presume you press the pedal to the medal and instruct Barr to arrest Soros and everyone else funding BLM/Antifa and let the chips fall where they may
Posted by: 18-1 at August 31, 2020 03:13 PM (qlFIA)

I disagree. Someone is scared shitless to go after the financiers. This isn't a sign of confidence, it's a sign of cowardice.

Posted by: CN at August 31, 2020 03:15 PM (ONvIw)

155 I doubt that Sullivan is incompetent. He probably is willfully obstructive but he's most likely being given orders (illegal ones of course) to do what he's doing which is to stall.

And thus the Appeals court is also aware of those orders and is giving him room enough to continue for a while longer.

How that aids anyone on the left I don't understand but then I'm not a political tactician and I can't understand what they're trying to accomplish and why.

I do believe this is going to hurt Democrats and especially the legal tribe in New York City.

But apparently the entire left has collectively lost their minds and is convinced their insanity is worth the price they'll pay.

Posted by: jakee308 at August 31, 2020 03:15 PM (x/9oQ)

156 150 Anyone thing of contributing to Trump, they're doing 800% matching.

And they're only $83k short of their fundraising goal.
Posted by: Tami at August 31, 2020 03:14 PM (cF8AT)

I never understood the matching thing. Why don't you just give him the money already? You want to win or lose?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 31, 2020 03:15 PM (1ISKN)

157 They did not specifically disallow the Sullivan inquisition?

Then they allowed it.

Law and order.

WASTF.

Posted by: blaster at August 31, 2020 03:15 PM (ZfRYq)

158
Yeah, I've gotten the texts.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 31, 2020 03:14 PM (LvTSG)

I can't get them to stop texting me. I keep blocking the numbers and replying stop. The texts keep coming.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 31, 2020 03:15 PM (7bcfy)

159 Will Flynn's nightmare never end?

Posted by: vmom 2020 VINCERO at August 31, 2020 03:15 PM (J8nVw)

160 >>If Biden is going to win and you and your family are going to jail I presume you press the pedal to the medal and instruct Barr to arrest Soros and everyone else funding BLM/Antifa and let the chips fall where they may

That's assuming he has evidence and a case.

Barr assigned two US Attorney's to oversee a task force looking into organizational and funding structure behind the rioters. This happened a couple months ago. They are using investigators from the terrorism group.

I sincerely doubt anything is holding them back other than building a case.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2020 03:16 PM (ZLI7S)

161
Yeah, I've gotten the texts.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 31, 2020 03:14 PM (LvTSG)

-------

Have you gotten any of the aggressive ones?

"Donate to Cory Gardner RIGHT NOW, or you are a BASTARD!"

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 31, 2020 03:16 PM (wzG2V)

162 Evan McMullin@EvanMcMullin

If you're out there rioting and vandalizing, you're helping Trump win. He's exploiting you. Please stop.
.........

Oh, OK. Yes, sir!

Posted by: wth at August 31, 2020 03:16 PM (v0R5T)

163 But I don't. They like being tyrannical dickholes.
Posted by: Captain Hate at August 31, 2020 03:12 PM (y7DUB)

I've been in court a couple of times (for civil matters) and uniformly that was my big take away from those experiences.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at August 31, 2020 03:16 PM (qqsAu)

164 146 OK, so the Judge is clearly not following procedure, and in fact is not following rulings of the Supreme Court,

But this senior Court says the defendant has OTHER options? Vice going to an out of control Judges Bosses?

Just what are those other options? Bend over?
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 31, 2020 03:12 PM (NgKpN)

I think the "other option" is to allow the trial to happen, then appeal after the fact, which is the normal course of events when it comes to appeals.

Which, yes, in this situation, is unsatisfying and sucks for Flynn.

But in 99% of cases, that's really the only way it can work. Otherwise every defense attorney in the country would be appealing every minor decision a judge makes, which would leave trials on hold basically indefinitely and it would just bog down the entire legal system so much that nothing would ever happen.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:16 PM (cnTJD)

165 Crazy person calling other people crazy.

I think your crocs are too tight, Under Fire.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2020 03:16 PM (ZLI7S)

166 If Trump is in no hurry to release Flynn from his legal trap, it probably means he's comfortable with waiting. That he's going to use Flynn's knowledge when the time comes, and the time just isn't right now.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 31, 2020 03:08 PM (hku12)

If Trump is comfortable with what's going on in that court and with Barr's lack of initiative with the BLM/Antifa moneymen, it's a sad day. Justice delayed is still justice denied.
Posted by: CN at August 31, 2020 03:11 PM (ONvIw)

Trump is looking at things bigger than whether Flynn has a court case pending or not.

I also strongly suspect, Flynn's looking at the bigger picture too.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 31, 2020 03:17 PM (hku12)

167 The court has no power to force the DOJ to prosecute.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2020 02:58 PM (ZLI7S)

Sullivan had no power to do what he did already.

But he did it anyway.

Posted by: blaster at August 31, 2020 03:17 PM (ZfRYq)

168 And so it begins?
Posted by: Archer at August 31, 2020 02:56 PM (gmo/4)

I couldn't believe this was actually happening to me.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 31, 2020 02:57 PM (Zz0t1)

dear penthouse, ...

Posted by: SturmToddler at August 31, 2020 03:17 PM (8D42x)

169 Anyone thing of contributing to Trump, they're doing 800% matching.

And they're only $83k short of their fundraising goal.

Posted by: Tami at August 31, 2020 03:14 PM (cF8AT)

I've been contributing, but the damned texts are never ending.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 31, 2020 03:17 PM (ptqGC)

170 It doesn't matter, the case is lost. Trump will be the judge at 3AM on Nov. 4 no matter what they do.

Posted by: Menack at August 31, 2020 03:17 PM (buTO7)

171 So the avenues still left over to Flynn are what, plead guilty again, or face the kangaroo court?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 31, 2020 03:18 PM (oVJmc)

172 165
Yeah, I've gotten the texts.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 31, 2020 03:14 PM (LvTSG)

-------

Have you gotten any of the aggressive ones?

"Donate to Cory Gardner RIGHT NOW, or you are a BASTARD!"
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 31, 2020 03:16 PM (wzG2V)

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"Donate to Lindsay Graham, or you're a queer!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 31, 2020 03:18 PM (LvTSG)

173 But only because you said "please".

Posted by: wth at August 31, 2020 03:18 PM (v0R5T)

174 I think that if that doesn't call for intervention from a higher court, nothing does.

The only "higher court" I trust at this point is the Judgement Seat of the reigning Jesus Christ.

This stupid statement by the court looks like they have found yet another way to drag this out with the hope that a Maoist government will be restored and finish the job of destroying this guy.

Posted by: 🐧 at August 31, 2020 03:18 PM (C+evo)

175 This Is Nothing But a Political Court Now: Viva Frei made these points: 1, Flynn should win on the law. It's not even close. 2, if he loses, it's only due to the court being 8-3 Democrats, with one Republican recusing himself.

If they want to play politics, doxx the judges.

Doxx the fucking Republican judge twice.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2020 03:18 PM (19RKp)

176
It doesn't matter, the case is lost. Trump will be the judge at 3AM on Nov. 4 no matter what they do.
Posted by: Menack at August 31, 2020 03:17 PM (buTO7)

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Yeah, he's gotta be thanking G-d he's not Scooter Libby.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 31, 2020 03:18 PM (wzG2V)

177 Sullivan will issue an injunction to bar Trump from pardoning Flynn.

Sure it's bullshit, but so is this.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 31, 2020 03:18 PM (oVJmc)

178 So, what who would Trump nominate for this circuit court should something happen to all of them, unexpectedly? Asking for friend.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 31, 2020 03:19 PM (WshOM)

179 Sullivan had no power to do what he did already.

But he did it anyway.

Posted by: blaster at August 31, 2020 03:17 PM (ZfRYq)

Laws are for the little people.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 31, 2020 03:19 PM (Zz0t1)

180
Yeah, he's gotta be thanking G-d he's not Scooter Libby.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 31, 2020 03:18 PM (wzG2V)

No kidding. $%^$ Bush.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 31, 2020 03:19 PM (ptqGC)

181 The issue is the publics perception of the Court.

This does not help.

Same as the FBI and DOJ crap against the President.

Unless someone gets slapped both Publicly, AND Legally, any trust we have in those organizations is greatly diminished.
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 31, 2020 03:15 PM (NgKpN)
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Public perception is only perhaps a partial problem. Most people have quit following this, even among the minority that ever did. If you were to stretch a net and catch 100 people, probably 20 have them have *heard* of Flynn. Of those 20, 10 probably don't know why. Of the remainder, 8 or 9 probably think he was guilty and is in prison for his crimes. There is maybe (and only maybe) 1 person in that 100 who even knows this is still ongoing, and it's a coin flip as to whether that person thinks it's a miscarriage of justice because Flynn is still in the process, or if he thinks it's a miscarriage of justice because Flynn hasn't been finished off yet.

The court may well not care much about the perception on this case. Not enough people know about it in any detail. There's no meaningful perception risk, and they will get the blood they so desire.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 31, 2020 03:19 PM (Q8c/L)

182
Barr assigned two US Attorney's to oversee a task force looking into organizational and funding structure behind the rioters. This happened a couple months ago. They are using investigators from the terrorism group.

I sincerely doubt anything is holding them back other than building a case.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2020 03:16 PM (ZLI7S)

Why does every case have to be built like Sagrada Familia?

Posted by: CN at August 31, 2020 03:19 PM (ONvIw)

183 173 Anyone thing of contributing to Trump, they're doing 800% matching.

And they're only $83k short of their fundraising goal.

Posted by: Tami at August 31, 2020 03:14 PM (cF8AT)

I've been contributing, but the damned texts are never ending.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 31, 2020 03:17 PM (ptqGC)

Right?!

That's why I wanted to share that one for everyone here that's not getting the texts. I'm generous like that.

Posted by: Tami at August 31, 2020 03:20 PM (cF8AT)

184 I think the "other option" is to allow the trial to happen, then appeal after the fact, which is the normal course of events when it comes to appeals.

Which, yes, in this situation, is unsatisfying and sucks for Flynn.

But in 99% of cases, that's really the only way it can work. Otherwise every defense attorney in the country would be appealing every minor decision a judge makes, which would leave trials on hold basically indefinitely and it would just bog down the entire legal system so much that nothing would ever happen.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:16 PM (cnTJD)

So, who prosecutes the case at trial? How is that an option?

DOJ won't, they dropped it.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 31, 2020 03:20 PM (NgKpN)

185 158 I doubt that Sullivan is incompetent. He probably is willfully obstructive but he's most likely being given orders (illegal ones of course) to do what he's doing which is to stall.

And thus the Appeals court is also aware of those orders and is giving him room enough to continue for a while longer.

How that aids anyone on the left I don't understand but then I'm not a political tactician and I can't understand what they're trying to accomplish and why.

I do believe this is going to hurt Democrats and especially the legal tribe in New York City.

But apparently the entire left has collectively lost their minds and is convinced their insanity is worth the price they'll pay.
Posted by: jakee308 at August 31, 2020 03:15 PM (x/9oQ)

It's possible. Or it's possible that the judge is an MSNBC watching idiot who actually believes that Flynn committed treason and that it would be a miscarriage of justice to allow him to get away with it just because Trump put his people over at DOJ.

I wouldn't rule that out. I know some astonishingly liberal lawyers (and one judge) who say and think some really stupid things, despite being smart people who are otherwise great to work with.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:20 PM (cnTJD)

186 The BEST outcome would be that the R's capture the House and impeach Sullivan.

Of course we can't expect 2/3's in the Senate but the Senate can just drag it out for the next four years.

Posted by: torabora at August 31, 2020 03:20 PM (Y274z)

187 Exhausting all other remedies is a common requirement when seeking an interlocutory (while the case is still be decided) injunction.

Maybe it's common in court cases in general, but should it be considered common in this particular case?

Just an amateur, here, but I'm just sayin, is anything about the Flynn case "common"?

Posted by: Hands at August 31, 2020 03:20 PM (786Ro)

188 Vengeance the sooner. Life for children during war makes them more feral than they already are. But still cute.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at August 31, 2020 03:20 PM (pB6Gt)

189 91 David Shafer @DavidShafer

Those donating to @KamalaHarris's appeal helped bail out peaceful protestor Lionel Timms, who was re-arrested last week, this time for an alleged assault that left the victim with a fractured skull and traumatic brain injury.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 31, 2020 03:03 PM (rjE57)

____________

This will be Headline News all week and the media will continue to ask her about until she owns it!

Wait, she's a Democrat? Nevermind ...

Posted by: ShainS at August 31, 2020 03:20 PM (Mog7K)

190 55 Trump is far more patient that I because I would have been there with the pardon papers, rubbed them all over my taint, and then shoved the papers into the judges' faces.

Because I'm a lady.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at August 31, 2020 02:59 PM (GbPPJ)
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You forgot about the part where you don't bathe for 4 days and work in the hot sun, sweating profusely, then rub the papers on your nethers.

Posted by: Bonecrusher at August 31, 2020 03:20 PM (JNTt1)

191 The fact that Trump isn't pardoning all his "minions" like Stone (commutation, sure), Flynn, and Manafort is making pretty bad evidence that Trump is some tyrannical fascist dictator.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse!

Stone has been a political operative most of his life. And while I don't believe "he deserves it", he has probably done some pretty shady shit.

Flynn was a good man railroaded by the FBI. Somebody should burn for this.

Manafort is guilty as hell, but then, so are the Podesta brothers, of the same thing. They should be in cells next to him.
And Sydney Blumenthal, too.

There are a lot of really dirty political operatives out there, on both sides.
It frosts me to no end that Flynn got tossed into the briar patch with those thugs.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at August 31, 2020 03:20 PM (vcOmj)

192 So, who prosecutes the case at trial? How is that an option?

DOJ won't, they dropped it.
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 31, 2020 03:20 PM (NgKpN)

I think he called in some kind of special prosecutor. Which, again, I've never heard of happening, but I don't know enough about that world to know if that's unprecedented, or just very rare.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:20 PM (cnTJD)

193 Biden saying "do I look like a socialist ??" is quite racist

and actually goes against MLK basic tenet of "look at the content of my character" not what I look like

Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2020 03:20 PM (O+AcM)

194 166 Evan McMullin@EvanMcMullin

If you're out there rioting and vandalizing, you're helping Trump win. He's exploiting you. Please stop.
.........

Oh, OK. Yes, sir!
Posted by: wth at August 31, 2020 03:16 PM (v0R5T)
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So your telling me the rioters are being exploited? Riiigghht.

Posted by: WisRich at August 31, 2020 03:21 PM (G0vdT)

195 I think the "other option" is to allow the trial to happen, then appeal after the fact, which is the normal course of events when it comes to appeals.

Which, yes, in this situation, is unsatisfying and sucks for Flynn.

But in 99% of cases, that's really the only way it can work. Otherwise every defense attorney in the country would be appealing every minor decision a judge makes, which would leave trials on hold basically indefinitely and it would just bog down the entire legal system so much that nothing would ever happen.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:16 PM (cnTJD)

But, this is exactly why the mandamus was an appropriate thing. Sullivan is taking action that he has no basis to do other than power he has arrogated to himself. Sure, you can let the court do whatever they want and after they do it, appeal, but that is NOT how it should work at all.

If this were a normal course of things, sure. But Sullivan is playing chicken here, and so far he's winning. The court has given him leave to do whatever the hell he wants.

Posted by: blaster at August 31, 2020 03:21 PM (ZfRYq)

196 The left is stacking every deck against us. Our only bright spot has been a 17 yr old kid. Says a lot dosen`t it?

Posted by: Tazar at August 31, 2020 03:21 PM (yhf6w)

197 If I were Trump and if I lost in November, I'd give the Dems what they claim to want. On my way out of office, I'd pardon *everyone* in Federal prison. My guys would get out, but I'd also give the Dems exactly what they asked for.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 31, 2020 03:21 PM (Q8c/L)

198 >>Sullivan had no power to do what he did already.

>>But he did it anyway.

That's just a bit different from ordering the Executive branch to do something they have no authority to do.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2020 03:21 PM (ZLI7S)

199 I've been contributing, but the damned texts are never ending.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 31, 2020 03:17 PM (ptqGC)

Right?!

That's why I wanted to share that one for everyone here that's not getting the texts. I'm generous like that.

Posted by: Tami at August 31, 2020 03:20 PM (cF8AT)

Lol. I got a couple from Eric (or Don, Jr.) today, "Dad is really disappointed he didn't see your name on today's donations." Or something like that.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 31, 2020 03:22 PM (ptqGC)

200 VIDEO: Black Lives Matter In Los Angeles "F*ck The Jew, Kill The Cops!"

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Doesn't even rhyme.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 31, 2020 03:22 PM (+y/Ru)

201 Welcome my friends, to the show that never ends.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 31, 2020 03:22 PM (WEUoC)

202 This is nothing but political bs. The court basically allowed Sullivan to set some type of precedent for his unprecedented action. They should have used this opportunity to slap him down hard for the benefit of our justice system.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at August 31, 2020 03:22 PM (BBBoi)

203 From American Digest, I Am The Monique's take on DJT

https://tinyurl.com/yxjtk7cp

Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 31, 2020 03:22 PM (YynYJ)

204 Todays Ho Lee Fuk:

Martha Stewart, 79, looks stunning during night out: Youre a smoke show!

Fox news is fucked and far from home!

Posted by: rhennigantx at August 31, 2020 03:22 PM (JFO2v)

205 Joe says the rioters, who actually are his voters, are listening to Trump for their marching orders

Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2020 03:22 PM (O+AcM)

206 Correct me if I'm wrong: what Sullivan is currently pulling is already in violation of a previous Supreme Court decision?

Posted by: Buzzion at August 31, 2020 03:22 PM (CzsKO)

207 that's not a ringing endorsement. That sounds like a caution flag.

Sounds like a CYA.

A caution flag as in racing. as in "slow down"? Like c'mon Sullivan you know we need to keep dragging this out.

Posted by: Hands at August 31, 2020 03:23 PM (786Ro)

208 I strongly suspect Trump already knows what Flynn knows. Grenell knows what Flynn knows, Ratcliffe knows what Flynn knows. They're waiting for this monkey show to be over, so they can use this information legally.

If Trump is in no hurry to release Flynn from his legal trap, it probably means he's comfortable with waiting. That he's going to use Flynn's knowledge when the time comes, and the time just isn't right now.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 31, 2020 03:08 PM (hku12)

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I really wouldn't be surprised if Trump has a date he wants this information to come out.

If Flynn gets out before that date, then great, they can hold onto it until then.

If Flynn is still in legal limbo at that date, then he can just pardon Flynn and start the show right then.

I mean, it's the sort of thing you might expect from a president who really wants to win re-election by burying his opponent in his own corruption.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 31, 2020 03:10 PM (LvTSG)

People use chess metaphors all the time, and talk about who is and is not making all these moves ahead.

I think Trump knows he's got a trump (to borrow and mix metaphors), and there's a confidence about him right now. I don't think that's due to him deluding himself.

The left is, in so many ways, acting like their collective hair is on fire, while Trump takes his time. Barr takes his time. Ratcliffe takes his time. One side looks like panicked losers. The other does not.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 31, 2020 03:23 PM (hku12)

209 Maybe it's common in court cases in general, but should it be considered common in this particular case?

Just an amateur, here, but I'm just sayin, is anything about the Flynn case "common"?
Posted by: Hands at August 31, 2020 03:20 PM (786Ro)

I think the thing that's being lost in all of this discussion of this specific case is that judges (especially at the appeals level) have to look big picture at everything in front of them.

Because any decision they make is now precedent going forward.

So sometimes that means making a decision that sucks and doesn't really make sense on it's surface for an individual case, but that doesn't set a bad precedent going down the line.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:23 PM (cnTJD)

210 204 VIDEO: Black Lives Matter In Los Angeles "F*ck The Jew, Kill The Cops!"

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Doesn't even rhyme.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 31, 2020 03:22 PM (+y/Ru)

neither do most rap songs!

Posted by: rhennigantx at August 31, 2020 03:23 PM (JFO2v)

211
I think he called in some kind of special prosecutor. Which, again, I've never heard of happening, but I don't know enough about that world to know if that's unprecedented, or just very rare.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:20 PM (cnTJD)

He called for an amici to come in and investigate the DoJ.

Which I would say is Constitutionally impermissible, but he's going to do it anyway, and the DC Circuit isn't going to stop him.

If Flynn tries to get that stopped, he won't have standing, because he's not the DoJ. If the DoJ objects, they will be obstructing justice.

SCOTUS needs to snatch this up and put a stop to it, because here there be dragons.

But they won't.

Posted by: blaster at August 31, 2020 03:23 PM (ZfRYq)

212 Lol. I got a couple from Eric (or Don, Jr.) today, "Dad is really disappointed he didn't see your name on today's donations." Or something like that.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 31, 2020 03:22 PM (ptqGC)

I get them from Don Jr., Eric, and Lara.

Posted by: CN at August 31, 2020 03:23 PM (ONvIw)

213 >>Why does every case have to be built like Sagrada Familia?

Steve Bannon got his trial day set today. It's next May. And that's a pretty simple case.

Things move a lot slower in the legal world. Always have, always will.

Mueller moved wicked fast too indictment a Russian troll farm. The case was then tossed because the evidence sucked. Fast or right.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2020 03:23 PM (ZLI7S)

214 Did not this same court grant an interlocutory so that Hillary did not have to testify for Tom Fitton?

Posted by: Thatch at August 31, 2020 03:24 PM (qWceQ)

215 I finally got the RNC to leave me alone.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 31, 2020 03:24 PM (ptqGC)

216 EXCLUSIVE: Longtime Neil Young Guitarist Releases Pro-Trump Song And Video As Part of Sugarcane Jane:

https://tinyurl.com/y5qkqnsg

Posted by: redridinghood at August 31, 2020 03:24 PM (wiXsO)

217 I think the idea of keeping the Flynn case going as a campaign op is really too "inside baseball" for most people to understand. A very TL;DR.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Convention Specials! Scalp Weasel Grooming Products 25% at The Outrage Outlet! at August 31, 2020 03:24 PM (bOfJF)

218
I think he called in some kind of special prosecutor. Which, again, I've never heard of happening, but I don't know enough about that world to know if that's unprecedented, or just very rare.

He made up a power to appoint a private citizen as prosecutor, whose case he will hear and then render judgement. Of his select special prosecutor. Who he picked.

Totes fair.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 31, 2020 03:24 PM (oVJmc)

219 On this case the DC Court of Appeals has given a preview of life under full Dem rule if Biden cheats his way to victory: No justice allowed for Non-Party members.

Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at August 31, 2020 03:24 PM (phCMP)

220 So the only way to fuck the DC Circuit is to impeach Obama for Treason. Bet they will love that. Fuck Them.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 31, 2020 03:24 PM (WshOM)

221 Trump has finally forced Hiden' Biden to leave his basement sanctuary. Slo-Joe's campaign announced he will visit Minnesota and Wisconsin after labor day, and he's also now started giving more pressers (though he isn't allowed to take questions, for fear he will talk about his amphetamine shots and how he is tied to his bed every night).

One great thing about his new campaigning regimen is there is now one fewer excuse for not debating. Debates are scheduled for Sept. 29 (CWRU in Cleveland), Oct 15 and 22 (Miami and Nashville). Plus, for extra entertainment, it's Pence versus President-In-Waiting Harris on Oct. 7 from Utah.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 31, 2020 03:24 PM (gtNWf)

222 The court has no power to force the DOJ to prosecute.

I've been thinking about that since you said it. Is there an end game?

DoJ refuses to prosecute, Sullivan refuses to vacate. Is Flynn in legal limbo forever?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 31, 2020 03:24 PM (q2K0j)

223 "Why does every case have to be built like Sagrada Familia?"

And that's the problem, they aren't. Every single case the DOJ builds is not just done by bad lawyers, these bad lawyers take the work of 10 days and stretch it out to two years. They're bad and lazy.

Posted by: lowandslow at August 31, 2020 03:25 PM (4thlk)

224 Judge's FIAT -- Finger It Again, Testimony!

Posted by: joey biden at August 31, 2020 03:25 PM (an7Mv)

225 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:16 PM (cnTJD)

You are comparing apples to orangutans.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at August 31, 2020 03:25 PM (BBBoi)

226 226 Trump has finally forced Hiden' Biden to leave his basement sanctuary. Slo-Joe's campaign announced he will visit Minnesota and Wisconsin after labor day, and he's also now started giving more pressers (though he isn't allowed to take questions, for fear he will talk about his amphetamine shots and how he is tied to his bed every night).

One great thing about his new campaigning regimen is there is now one fewer excuse for not debating. Debates are scheduled for Sept. 29 (CWRU in Cleveland), Oct 15 and 22 (Miami and Nashville). Plus, for extra entertainment, it's Pence versus President-In-Waiting Harris on Oct. 7 from Utah.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 31, 2020 03:24 PM (gtNWf)

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I remember a troll from a couple of months ago proudly announcing that Biden's basement campaign was going to be so great that he didn't need to change a thing before the election.

Again, I keep saying it, remember this in 2024 when things look dour for us in June: it's not a reflection of what's going to happen closer to the election.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 31, 2020 03:26 PM (LvTSG)

227 But, this is exactly why the mandamus was an appropriate thing. Sullivan is taking action that he has no basis to do other than power he has arrogated to himself. Sure, you can let the court do whatever they want and after they do it, appeal, but that is NOT how it should work at all.

If this were a normal course of things, sure. But Sullivan is playing chicken here, and so far he's winning. The court has given him leave to do whatever the hell he wants.
Posted by: blaster at August 31, 2020 03:21 PM (ZfRYq)

Well, maybe I'm misunderstanding what happened here, but the court didn't rule on the merits, correct? They just said that the interlocutory appeal wasn't ripe. Which it probably wasn't.

Look, I'm not saying that this is a good outcome, just that we have rules in place for a reason, those rules can be debated, but we don't want judges making "special exceptions" to those rules based on politics, even if it goes against what we want to see happen.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:26 PM (cnTJD)

228 A rebuke?!?!?? Oh no, I guess I better straighten up. Gosh the court system is strict with us judges.

Posted by: "Judge" Sullivan at August 31, 2020 03:26 PM (pMGkg)

229

Breaking911
@Breaking911

BREAKING NEWS: Hamas announces deal to end escalation with Israel - AFP

Another Peace Prize for Trump?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 31, 2020 03:26 PM (rjE57)

230 Posted by: moon_over_vermont at August 31, 2020 03:16 PM (qqsAu)

Where in Vermont are you? I was in White River Junction last September and enjoyed it a great deal including going to Mount Washington, which completely changed my attitude about mountains in the East.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 31, 2020 03:26 PM (y7DUB)

231 So sometimes that means making a decision that sucks and doesn't really make sense on it's surface for an individual case, but that doesn't set a bad precedent going down the line.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:23 PM (cnTJD)

Or, they want to set a precedent that they think is a good thing.

Posted by: blaster at August 31, 2020 03:26 PM (ZfRYq)

232 Welp, off to another torture session. Latrz.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 31, 2020 03:26 PM (ptqGC)

233 234

Breaking911
@Breaking911

BREAKING NEWS: Hamas announces deal to end escalation with Israel - AFP

Another Peace Prize for Trump?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 31, 2020 03:26 PM (rjE57)

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I'll believe it after their next rocket attack.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 31, 2020 03:26 PM (LvTSG)

234 Oprah want America to do a Mike Flynn

Admit to something in which one is not guilty of

Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2020 03:26 PM (O+AcM)

235 158 I doubt that Sullivan is incompetent. He probably is willfully obstructive but he's most likely being given orders (illegal ones of course) to do what he's doing which is to stall."

As we point out every time this comes up, Judge Sullivan has been a close personal friend of Eric Holder for over 20 years. And you know who Eric Holder is the messenger boy for.

Specifically - this case was never about "perjury" it was about making a false statement to an FBI officer, which is something different. (and in fact, Flynn didn't do it) Point being - no one ever used the word "Perjury" in connection with this case until Obama made a speech about it early this year, and used that particular word to describe this case.

3 days later, in one of his Court filings Sullivan, for the first time, started talking about Flynn being guilty of "Perjury".

Message sent - Message Received. Are you really surprised at where the orders are coming from? No doubt the 8 judges on the DC Circuit Court who backed Sullivan received their orders as well. They're loyal soldiers for their side, every one of them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 31, 2020 03:27 PM (Kpl3J)

236 If I were Trump and if I lost in November, I'd give the Dems what they claim to want. On my way out of office, I'd pardon *everyone* in Federal prison. My guys would get out, but I'd also give the Dems exactly what they asked for.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 31, 2020 03:21 PM

So much this^

And a mask mandate.

Posted by: Hands at August 31, 2020 03:27 PM (786Ro)

237 Anyone thing of contributing to Trump, they're doing 800% matching.

Dinner with Melania, here I come!

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at August 31, 2020 03:27 PM (5bg3W)

238 I'm just amazed that this court has no consideration for the law. One would think they might, given it is the basis for their careers.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 31, 2020 03:27 PM (kA3Cp)

239 The fact that Trump isn't pardoning all his "minions" like Stone (commutation, sure), Flynn, and Manafort is making pretty bad evidence that Trump is some tyrannical fascist dictator.

Furthest thing from a fascist dictator but that comes at the price of being the president with the worst record on Law and Order while also being the worst on record for spending. Even Obama looks like a skin-flint in comparison to the profligate waste and run-away lawlessness that frames the Trump Administration.

I get the 10th Amendment stuff, and I understand that the 16th Amendment destroys our God-Given Rights to owning and controlling property.

We have a hot Civil War Right Now and it shows dereliction of duty to sit back and watch billions of dollars in collateral damage and absolutely no intention of stopping it.

Posted by: 🐧 at August 31, 2020 03:27 PM (C+evo)

240 217
Lol. I got a couple from Eric (or Don, Jr.) today, "Dad is really
disappointed he didn't see your name on today's donations." Or something
like that.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 31, 2020 03:22 PM (ptqGC)

I get them from Don Jr., Eric, and Lara.

Posted by: CN at August 31, 2020 03:23 PM (ONvIw)

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I'm waiting for one from Tiffany. Couldn't say no to that.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at August 31, 2020 03:27 PM (+3rQF)

241 The court has no power to force the DOJ to prosecute.

I've been thinking about that since you said it. Is there an end game?

DoJ refuses to prosecute, Sullivan refuses to vacate. Is Flynn in legal limbo forever?
Posted by: Bandersnatch

DOJ refuses to prosecute until PDJT is out of office.

12:01 January 20th, 2021 or 2025.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2020 03:27 PM (19RKp)

242 134
If you're out there rioting and vandalizing, you're helping Trump win. He's exploiting you. Please stop.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 31, 2020 03:04 PM (+y/Ru)
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Incredible they're perfectly happy admitting they don't care about the *victims* of rioting and vandalism. You wonder if they even know how they sound. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night, me.

Posted by: ... at August 31, 2020 03:27 PM (Jv+hH)

243 BREAKING NEWS: Hamas announces deal to end escalation with Israel - AFP

I wont cum in your mail

Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2020 03:27 PM (O+AcM)

244 So, does this mean Hunter Biden will be indicted for collusion with China?

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 31, 2020 03:28 PM (WshOM)

245 So given who we are dealing with (deranged hyper partisan leftist cornered maggots), what's the next step? Any legal beagles opinion?

Posted by: Floridachick at August 31, 2020 03:28 PM (YOIwC)

246 "Dad is really disappointed he didn't see your name on today's donations." Or something like that.

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Speaking of weird ass shit, I saw a bumper sticker today here in lily white land: I'M VOTING FOR KANYE! This on a white minivan driven by a middle aged male cracker.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 31, 2020 03:28 PM (+y/Ru)

247 And that's the problem, they aren't. Every single case the DOJ builds is not just done by bad lawyers, these bad lawyers take the work of 10 days and stretch it out to two years. They're bad and lazy.
Posted by: lowandslow at August 31, 2020 03:25 PM (4thlk

Sagrada Familia will finally be completed in 2026, it began construction in 1882. We'll all be dead before the DOJ strikes against Antifa moneymen or Comey and McCabe.

Posted by: CN at August 31, 2020 03:28 PM (ONvIw)

248 Well, maybe I'm misunderstanding what happened here, but the court didn't rule on the merits, correct? They just said that the interlocutory appeal wasn't ripe. Which it probably wasn't.

Look, I'm not saying that this is a good outcome, just that we have rules in place for a reason, those rules can be debated, but we don't want judges making "special exceptions" to those rules based on politics, even if it goes against what we want to see happen.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:26 PM (cnTJD)

Except that is exactly what happened.

This is probably the scariest thing of all the scary things in 2020.

There is absolutely no authority anywhere for Sullivan to do what he is doing. And yet he is doing it. And no one can/will stop him.

So, if a judge can start investigating the DoJ, where do we go from here?

Posted by: blaster at August 31, 2020 03:28 PM (ZfRYq)

249 >>I've been thinking about that since you said it. Is there an end game?

>>DoJ refuses to prosecute, Sullivan refuses to vacate. Is Flynn in legal limbo forever?

I really don't know. This is obviously not being done in any normal fashion

I agree with ace that the court were basically telling Sullivan to wrap it up. This was how they ended the opinion:

"we expect the District Court to proceed with appropriate dispatch."

But what will Sullivan do, hell if I know.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2020 03:28 PM (ZLI7S)

250 I'll have to read this at some point but I've been on Flynn's end of appellate courts telling me my appeal was premature or I have a different remedy, etc. Frankly, I'd like to see Sullivan v. Flynn and Flynn to open a can of Constitution on him.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 31, 2020 03:28 PM (KAi1n)

251 BREAKING NEWS: Hamas announces deal to end escalation with Israel

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Free money from UAE comes with strings attached.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 31, 2020 03:28 PM (kA3Cp)

252 "If you're out there rioting and vandalizing, you're helping Trump win. He's exploiting you. Please stop."

You Dem funded, Dem protected terrorists are being exploited by Trump, who claims you are Dem funded and Dem protected.

Telling the truth about the Dem terrorist movement ... I guess that could be called "exploitation", but mostly it is exposing the criminals (mayors and others that are helping the criminals, are also criminals themselves)

Posted by: illiniwek at August 31, 2020 03:29 PM (Cus5s)

253 What's to prevent Sullivan from declaring Flynn guilty and sentencing him to summary execution? He's already making it up as he wishes, the idea of an appeal isn't going to stop him, either.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 31, 2020 03:29 PM (oVJmc)

254 "F*ck The Jew, Kill The ~~Cops~~ Screws!"
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Fixed!

Posted by: andycanuck at August 31, 2020 03:29 PM (an7Mv)

255 226 Trump has finally forced Hiden' Biden to leave his basement sanctuary. Slo-Joe's campaign announced he will visit Minnesota and Wisconsin after labor day, and he's also now started giving more pressers (though he isn't allowed to take questions, for fear he will talk about his amphetamine shots and how he is tied to his bed every night).

One great thing about his new campaigning regimen is there is now one fewer excuse for not debating. Debates are scheduled for Sept. 29 (CWRU in Cleveland), Oct 15 and 22 (Miami and Nashville). Plus, for extra entertainment, it's Pence versus President-In-Waiting Harris on Oct. 7 from Utah.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 31, 2020 03:24 PM (gtNWf)
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Sleepy Joe didn't take any questions after his statement today and just shuffled off.

Posted by: WisRich at August 31, 2020 03:29 PM (G0vdT)

256 Trump can lend himself all the money he wants and retire it with fundraisers later

I think, could be wrong

Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2020 03:29 PM (O+AcM)

257 DoJ refuses to prosecute, Sullivan refuses to vacate. Is Flynn in legal limbo forever?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 31, 2020 03:24 PM (q2K0j)

Well, at some point I imagine he can argue that he is not getting his speedy trial that is guaranteed to him by the constitution.

But, er, justice moves pretty slowly in general, so I'm not sure what that time frame actually looks like.

But yeah, this is one of those situations where there doesn't seem to be a good way out of this for Flynn.

But on the flip side, bad facts make bad law. Which is what appeals courts always have to be concerned with.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:29 PM (cnTJD)

258 So what are his options?

He has to admit guilt to find out.

Posted by: DC Circuit at August 31, 2020 03:29 PM (CTJwJ)

259 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:26 PM (cnTJD)

You're currently studying to be a lawyer aren't you.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 31, 2020 03:29 PM (CzsKO)

260 saw a bumper sticker here in AZ for Biden - it said "Bye Don".
I asked my wife where Joe was going?

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at August 31, 2020 03:30 PM (k/TB6)

261 I'm waiting for one from Tiffany. Couldn't say no to that.
Posted by: Pennsyltucky at August 31, 2020 03:27 PM (+3rQF)

That would be her first campaign appeal.

Posted by: CN at August 31, 2020 03:31 PM (ONvIw)

262 I remember a troll from a couple of months ago proudly announcing that Biden's basement campaign was going to be so great that he didn't need to change a thing before the election.

And that stupidity was loudly answered with the "TRUMP 2020" Fireworks display.

Posted by: 🐧 at August 31, 2020 03:31 PM (C+evo)

263 Well, maybe I'm misunderstanding what happened here, but the court didn't rule on the merits, correct? They just said that the interlocutory appeal wasn't ripe. Which it probably wasn't.

Look, I'm not saying that this is a good outcome, just that we have rules in place for a reason, those rules can be debated, but we don't want judges making "special exceptions" to those rules based on politics, even if it goes against what we want to see happen.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:26 PM (cnTJD)

The problem is, the one making his own rules, is Sullivan, and the Higher Court has CONDONED it, instead of stopping it.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 31, 2020 03:31 PM (NgKpN)

264 Because of the incredible courage the DC circuit has shown, I have arranged for a very very specisl group outing, of which I will spare no expense. You will be wined and dined, and shown just how much your hard work for the people is sppreciated. Just board the helicopters that the Secret Service has arranged to pick you up, as the resorts location can only be reached by air.

Yours truly,
President Trump

Posted by: THE Lonebadger at August 31, 2020 03:31 PM (vYL7p)

265 Look, I'm not saying that this is a good outcome, just that we have rules in place for a reason, those rules can be debated, but we don't want judges making "special exceptions" to those rules based on politics, even if it goes against what we want to see happen.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

I'm confused. Isn't "judges making "special exceptions" to those rules based on politics" just what Sullivan has been doing?

This isn't just another case that happened to come down the pike. It has a particular, specific background and participants.

Posted by: Hands at August 31, 2020 03:31 PM (786Ro)

266 So I've been sleeping a good while, and in reality Sullivan has been disbarred and thrown in PMITA, right?

Posted by: ... at August 31, 2020 03:31 PM (Jv+hH)

267 Evan McMullin@EvanMcMullin

If you're out there rioting and vandalizing, you're helping Trump win. He's exploiting you. Please stop.
.........

Who does he think is paying attention to him that could actually stop the rioting?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at August 31, 2020 03:31 PM (lgiXo)

268 we don't want judges making "special exceptions" to those rules based on politics, even if it goes against what we want to see happen.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

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That is exactly what did happen. The DOJ dropped the prosecution. In a sane world, the judge would let it go.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 31, 2020 03:31 PM (kA3Cp)

269 >>Jack - you really, really don't understand why some of us hate all this shit, do you ? I bet you'd wrap your mind around it a little better if you got to go through "the system" once, instead of just marveling at how it works from the outside.

What makes you think I haven't been through it? Ever had to deal with the FBI on illegal shipments to Iran? I have. Do you want to know how fun that is?

Just because I don't rant and rave everyday and find it more productive to actually try and understand what's going don't presume to know what I think or how I feel. You know exactly dick about me.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2020 03:32 PM (ZLI7S)

270 272 So I've been sleeping a good while, and in reality Sullivan has been disbarred and thrown in PMITA, right?
Posted by: ... at August 31, 2020 03:31 PM (Jv+hH)

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It's a Rumpelstiltskin reference.

You know, for the kids!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 31, 2020 03:32 PM (LvTSG)

271 Well - there you have it. The process is just slow. If the process hoovers your ass up ? Hey, it's slow. Just part of the deal. Get comfortable. Enjoy your walks in the yard.

Jack - you really, really don't understand why some of us hate all this shit, do you ? I bet you'd wrap your mind around it a little better if you got to go through "the system" once, instead of just marveling at how it works from the outside.

I bet Mike Flynn isn't nearly as fascinated by the ins and outs and plot twists as you are.
Posted by: Fight Dirty or Not at All at August 31, 2020 03:29 PM (nAjD1)

I don't know why you're attacking Jack here. But as someone who has "been through the system" as both a defendant and a lawyer, yeah, it sucks.

Do you have any suggestions for improving it? Because I certainly don't know how strike a better balance, on whole, between moving things along quickly, and having a system that is fair to defendants, and fair to the plaintiff / prosecutor, and follows strict rules ("justice"), then what we have now.

Could things be tweaked? Sure. But on the whole, there are hundreds of years of cases that have come in front of judges in the US and England that culminated in the precedences and rules of procedure we have today.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:32 PM (cnTJD)

272
neither do most rap songs!
Posted by: rhennigantx at August 31, 2020 03:23 PM (JFO2v)

You're welcome.

Posted by: Eminem at August 31, 2020 03:32 PM (Zz0t1)

273 #MO #poll conducted Aug 26-28 shows a comfortable Trump lead:

51.9% @realDonaldTrump,

41.2% @JoeBiden

Posted by: SMOD at August 31, 2020 03:32 PM (3aI0K)

274 So what are his options?

Posted by: IC at August 31, 2020 02:52 PM (a0IVu)

That's what I'm trying to figure out. He appealed to the higher court and the higher court says go back to the other court. Huh?

Posted by: WOPR - Clown World Timeline Thinks This Timeline is Insane at August 31, 2020 03:32 PM (J70i0)

275
You're currently studying to be a lawyer aren't you.

*raises hand*

I was pre-law for half a semester.

*beams*

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at August 31, 2020 03:33 PM (5bg3W)

276 But what will Sullivan do, hell if I know.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2020 03:28 PM (ZLI7S)

*I* know what he'll do.

Posted by: ... at August 31, 2020 03:33 PM (Jv+hH)

277 258 What's to prevent Sullivan from declaring Flynn guilty and sentencing him to summary execution? He's already making it up as he wishes, the idea of an appeal isn't going to stop him, either.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 31, 2020 03:29 PM (oVJmc)

As seemingly insane and OTT as your question is, it is legitimate. Why do we pay any deference to court decisions that plainly are unlawful, and at what point is an opinion so dangerous that it should be ignored? It is time to dismantle the courts, which have become Deep State Star Chambers at the federal level (state courts are slithering in that direction).

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat (Joe Biden Didn't Kill Himself at August 31, 2020 03:33 PM (puu6v)

278 279 #MO #poll conducted Aug 26-28 shows a comfortable Trump lead:

51.9% @realDonaldTrump,

41.2% @JoeBiden
Posted by: SMOD at August 31, 2020 03:32 PM (3aI0K)

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That would be more narrow than his 2016 victory which was just shy of 20 points, so we'll see.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 31, 2020 03:33 PM (LvTSG)

279 So given who we are dealing with (deranged hyper partisan leftist cornered maggots), what's the next step? Any legal beagles opinion?
Posted by: Floridachick at August 31, 2020

*
*

Maggots can be cornered? Rats, sure, but maggots?

Oh.

Dems.

Never mind.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 31, 2020 03:33 PM (Ejm1K)

280 What makes you think I haven't been through it? Ever had to deal with the FBI on illegal shipments to Iran? I have. Do you want to know how fun that is?

Just because I don't rant and rave everyday and find it more productive to actually try and understand what's going don't presume to know what I think or how I feel. You know exactly dick about me.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2020 03:32 PM (ZLI7S)

Illegal shipments to Iran?

Posted by: CN at August 31, 2020 03:33 PM (ONvIw)

281 But on the flip side, bad facts make bad law. Which is what appeals courts always have to be concerned with.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

Do you really believe that this particular appeals court is concerned with, regarding this particular case (Flynn)?

Posted by: Hands at August 31, 2020 03:33 PM (786Ro)

282 ATT can't find buyer for their discounted DirecTV

bought in 2015 for 50 billion, now on sale for 20 billion

and if you're eating 30 billion, how much are you ripping off people in your other biz ?

nothing for money

cause the clicks are free

Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2020 03:33 PM (O+AcM)

283 274
Evan McMullin@EvanMcMullin

If you're out there rioting and vandalizing, you're helping Trump win. He's exploiting you. Please stop.

.........

Who does he think is paying attention to him that could actually stop the rioting?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at August 31, 2020 03:31 PM (lgiXo)

You know, who the fvck *is* this Evan McMuffin, and how did he get so prominent? I know he made a run for President, but so what?
Who the hell listens to him?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 31, 2020 03:34 PM (ufFY8)

284 Stone has been a political operative most of his life. And while I don't believe "he deserves it", he has probably done some pretty shady shit.

Flynn was a good man railroaded by the FBI. Somebody should burn for this.

Manafort is guilty as hell, but then, so are the Podesta brothers, of the same thing. They should be in cells next to him.
And Sydney Blumenthal, too.

There are a lot of really dirty political operatives out there, on both sides.
It frosts me to no end that Flynn got tossed into the briar patch with those thugs.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at August 31, 2020 03:20 PM (vcOmj)

Part of the Millie Weaver story is about how Manafort was set up by some shell operation, to give them an inside look at the Trump campaign. Manafort was schmoozed by them, and then Stone got wind of what was going on and shut it down.

All that was set up, and Manafort was, at worst, a gullible dupe.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 31, 2020 03:34 PM (hku12)

285 >>Illegal shipments to Iran?

Yes.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2020 03:34 PM (ZLI7S)

286 I thought I read that if Trump pardons Flynn he can't get his money back; but, if the case is dismissed he can.

Anybody?

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at August 31, 2020 03:34 PM (gtatv)

287
Speaking of weird ass shit, I saw a bumper sticker today here in lily white land: I'M VOTING FOR KANYE! This on a white minivan driven by a middle aged male cracker.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 31, 2020 03:28 PM (+y/Ru)

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That guy is trolling, and he's clever.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 31, 2020 03:34 PM (wzG2V)

288 291 >>Illegal shipments to Iran?

Yes.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2020 03:34 PM (ZLI7S)

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They're not going to get Duran, Duran albums through legal means, you know.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 31, 2020 03:35 PM (LvTSG)

289 256
BREAKING NEWS: Hamas announces deal to end escalation with Israel

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Free money from UAE comes with strings attached.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 31, 2020 03:28 PM (kA3Cp)

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end "escalation"
Translation: "We aren't going to attack Israel anymore, but we're also not going to attack them any less."

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at August 31, 2020 03:35 PM (+3rQF)

290 It's a Rumpelstiltskin reference.

It's a Rip Van Winkle reference.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 31, 2020 03:35 PM (oVJmc)

291 I'm confused. Isn't "judges making "special exceptions" to those rules based on politics" just what Sullivan has been doing?

This isn't just another case that happened to come down the pike. It has a particular, specific background and participants.
Posted by: Hands at August 31, 2020 03:31 PM (786Ro)

The question before the court was "is this appeal timely?" and they said "no."

The other option is that they could do a runaround of the entire system and say "well, lets just jump right to the merits of the case, and ignore the procedural rules."

They chose not to do that.

Does that suck for Flynn? Yes.

Was it the right move by the appeals court? I don't know, but I can see why they did it.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:35 PM (cnTJD)

292 284 279 #MO #poll conducted Aug 26-28 shows a comfortable Trump lead:

51.9% @realDonaldTrump,

41.2% @JoeBiden
Posted by: SMOD at August 31, 2020 03:32 PM (3aI0K)

Trump will win by 20

Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2020 03:35 PM (O+AcM)

293 They're not going to get Duran, Duran albums through legal means, you know.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 31, 2020 03:35 PM (LvTSG)

HA!

Posted by: CN at August 31, 2020 03:35 PM (ONvIw)

294 296 It's a Rumpelstiltskin reference.

It's a Rip Van Winkle reference.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 31, 2020 03:35 PM (oVJmc)

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I blame autocorrect.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 31, 2020 03:35 PM (LvTSG)

295 This is probably the scariest thing of all the scary things in 2020.

There is absolutely no authority anywhere for Sullivan to do what he
is doing. And yet he is doing it. And no one can/will stop him.

So, if a judge can start investigating the DoJ, where do we go from here?

Posted by: blaster at August 31, 2020 03:28 PM (ZfRYq)

The patriot side of me says arm up, organize, and remove every motherfucker turning our country into a banana republic.
The barbarian side of me says yeah all that, but do it in front of their women.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 31, 2020 03:35 PM (9Om/r)

296 Illegal shipments to Iran?

I'm guessing tech stuff sold to a third party was transshipped to Iran and the FBI thought it was an intentional deception.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 31, 2020 03:35 PM (q2K0j)

297 Pardon Flynn and make him Director of the FBI. Payback.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 31, 2020 03:36 PM (WshOM)

298 -
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Could things be tweaked? Sure. But on the whole,
there are hundreds of years of cases that have come in front of judges
in the US and England that culminated in the precedences and rules of
procedure we have today.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:32 PM

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True, true. However, one would hope a few of them would have concluded by now.

Posted by: irright at August 31, 2020 03:36 PM (pMGkg)

299 So, if a judge can start investigating the DoJ, where do we go from here?

Application of the 2nd Amendment.

Civilization can only happen when there is cooperation. Sullivan has told the world multiple times that he has no intention of cooperating.

One way or the other, that position need to be vacated by Sullivan and replaced by another who is willing to cooperate with this experiment in civilization.

Posted by: 🐧 at August 31, 2020 03:36 PM (C+evo)

300 The idea that regularity or usual procedural rules required this 8-2 ruling is really naive. It's a bit like the Rick Perry prosecution. Court of Criminal Appeals here in Texas went out of its way to grabt pretrial habeas relief, which is almost impossible to get as a practical matter. And the reason was simple: the Court recognized (without saying so) that the whole prosecution was a political sham. Same thing here, except a Democrat-dominated court approves of the sham. Judges - especially Dems, who have no fixed principles - find a way around "the rules" when they produce undesirable. They just don't find this undesirable. It's all political.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 31, 2020 03:36 PM (H5knJ)

301 They're not going to get Duran, Duran albums through legal means, you know.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 31, 2020 03:35 PM (LvTSG)

Or your primo weed.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 31, 2020 03:36 PM (ufFY8)

302 okay

They were chanting Death to America, Buck Sexton links the video at his tweet.

Buck Sexton @BuckSexton

CNN headline: "Compassionate Demonstrators Advocate for Nation State Euthanasia"
Quote Tweet

ELIJAH RIOT
@ElijahSchaffer
� Aug 30
"Death to America. Death to America"

Violent rioters chant on the streets of Oakland, CA

These are terrorists who openly admit they want to destroy this country

So why does the corporate media and Democratic Party insist they are peaceful protesters?

First I heard the terrorists chanting this.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 31, 2020 03:36 PM (rjE57)

303 But on the flip side, bad facts make bad law. Which is what appeals courts always have to be concerned with.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

What bad facts could you possibly be referring to? The DOJ dropped the case. Period. There is no precedent that the Judge can then become the prosecutor and continue the case. If you suggested this scenario to any law professor prior to this case you would have been laughed at.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at August 31, 2020 03:37 PM (BBBoi)

304 Do you have any suggestions for improving it?
Because I certainly don't know how strike a better balance, on whole,
between moving things along quickly, and having a system that is fair to
defendants, and fair to the plaintiff / prosecutor, and follows strict
rules ("justice"), then what we have now.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:32 PM (cnTJD)

I don't know, maybe the circuit court telling Sullivan he can't do what he is doing and to do what he is supposed to do. You know discharge the case. Instead we have stupid legal badminton. Meanwhile certain posters are entertained by harshly worded legal jargon that doesn't resolve anything.

Posted by: WOPR - Clown World Timeline Thinks This Timeline is Insane at August 31, 2020 03:37 PM (J70i0)

305 A
divided panel on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit decided
on Aug. 31 that the House of Representatives' lawsuit to enforce their
subpoena against former White House counsel Don McGahn must be
dismissed. The court found that the House's Committee on the Judiciary
lacks a cause of action to bring the suit because no statute gives the
chamber authority to do so.

Posted by: SMOD at August 31, 2020 03:37 PM (3aI0K)

306 Do you really believe that this particular appeals court is concerned with, regarding this particular case (Flynn)?
Posted by: Hands at August 31, 2020 03:33 PM (786Ro)

I think every judge on every appeals court in every common law country is incredibly worried about that.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:37 PM (cnTJD)

307 >>That's three things right there. I didn't even talk about you watching baseball tonight.

And your track record sucks. You went 1 - 3.

As I said, you don't know shit about me, you just think you do.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2020 03:37 PM (ZLI7S)

308 They're not going to get Duran, Duran albums through legal means, you know.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a madhouse! A Madhouse! at August 31, 2020 03:35 PM (LvTSG)

Duran Duran scored BIG with the ladies in the 90's.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 31, 2020 03:37 PM (Zz0t1)

309 296
It's a Rumpelstiltskin reference.

It's a Rip Van Winkle reference.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 31, 2020 03:35 PM (oVJmc)

Mr. Mxyzptlk

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at August 31, 2020 03:37 PM (k/TB6)

310 Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2020 03:33 PM (O+AcM)

Best news I've heard in a while.

After 15 years as a customer, I called for my annual renewal of my discount - after a t ampersand t had bought them... and they all but told me to go fuck myself over the course of three phone calls.

I quit them then, and four years later they are STILL sending me mail asking to come back, which they disguise in all sorts of ways including Christmas cards. Assholes.

Posted by: ... at August 31, 2020 03:37 PM (Jv+hH)

311 After the election, Trump will unload on Sullivan.

politics makes him refrain atm

Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2020 03:37 PM (O+AcM)

312 Illegal shipments to Iran?

Dead albums?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 31, 2020 03:37 PM (oVJmc)

313 I'm curious how the appellate court's majority thinks the hearing on the motion to dismiss is going to go.

Sullivan can't take testimony from witnesses now or do any independent fact-finding, because that would be intruding on the executive's sole constitutional prerogative to make prosecution decisions, and because Sullivan's lawyer said during oral arguments that he wouldn't do that. Presumably all Sullivan can do at the hearing is listen to arguments from counsel, including Sullivan's own amicus pseudo-prosecutor, and ask questions of the government prosecutor such as "Were you bribed by the Bad Orange Man or any of his associates to make this decision to drop the prosecution of the traitor Flynn?" Or "Are you dropping this prosecution of the traitor Flynn because you want to help the Bad Orange Man win re-election in November?"

And presumably the prosecutor (the real one, not the one Sullivan appointed to help him railroad Flynn) will say something like "No, your honor, we made the decision to drop the prosecution based on the the mountain of evidence discovered by the special prosecutor that clearly showed that FBI agents in the Obama administration had explicitly tried to set up a perjury trap for Mr. Flynn, that they knew Mr. Flynn had committed no crime, that they deliberately and fraudulently altered official documents such as the record of Mr. Flynn's interviews to try and make it appear that Mr. Flynn said things he did not say, that they conspired to deprive Mr. Flynn of his due process rights and the right to counsel, that they deliberately hid and withheld exculpatory materials from Mr. Flynn's lawyers for many months, that they threatened both Mr. Flynn's original lawyers and Mr. Flynn's son with criminal prosecution in an attempt to coerce Mr. Flynn into a guilty plea, that the Obama DOJ prosecutor perjured himself to this court by swearing under oath that there were no material side agreements used to induce Mr. Flynn's plea (when it fact there was such an agreement, an agreement that the DOJ would not prosecute Flynn's son if Flynn would plead guilty), and many, many more reasons, all of which were set forth in the voluminous attachments to the government's motion to dismiss.

Then what does Sullivan do? "Harrumph . . . well those sound like bullshit reasons to me! You think those are good enough reasons to dismiss a prosecution of a filthy traitor who has already admitted that he's guilty? Clearly those are not the real reasons the Bad Orange Man wants this prosecution dismissed, they're just flimsy pretexts! Motion denied!"

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at August 31, 2020 03:37 PM (k4dH2)

314 Who does he think is paying attention to him that could actually stop the rioting?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker

The guys taking Soros's money? The ones being funded by Soros.
That riot food wagon from Portland?
Tell me how out of work people have that kind of money.

Someone is funding this and the people receiving the money can call off their dogs.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2020 03:38 PM (19RKp)

315 You know, who the fvck *is* this Evan McMuffin, and how did he get so prominent? I know he made a run for President, but so what?
Who the hell listens to him?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt

Shee-it, I thought I cleaned that Honky's clock today.....

Posted by: Baltimore Street Thug at August 31, 2020 03:38 PM (tt3kE)

316 Again, this is their October surprise.

Sullivan will sentence Flynn to time served.

He will find he should have gotten years.
He will find that he cannot sentence him to more--as required-- because of obstruction of justice by Trump.

This will be on October 15--"FEDERAL JUDGE FINDS TRUMP OBSTUCTED JUSTICE!"

Trump has one play now-- do everything on heaven and earth to delay this to December.

Posted by: RoyalOil at August 31, 2020 03:39 PM (aO8Gd)

317 Someone is funding this and the people receiving the money can call off their dogs.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2020 03:38 PM (19RKp)

The people funding it should be arrested, and their wealth used to rebuild what their monsters destroyed.

Posted by: CN at August 31, 2020 03:39 PM (ONvIw)

318 Honestly, getting Biden to come out from hiding now gives him cover up for becoming covid19 positive. Unexpectedly. Push for Zoom debates.

Eye roll.

Posted by: Floridachick at August 31, 2020 03:39 PM (YOIwC)

319 Day after election, we settle all family business

Posted by: vmom 2020 VINCERO at August 31, 2020 03:39 PM (J8nVw)

320 Sleepy Joe didn't take any questions after his statement today and just shuffled off.
Posted by: WisRich

Mumbling something about tying an onion to his belt.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 31, 2020 03:40 PM (+y/Ru)

321 Good Lord. Slo Joe Biden couldn't even get through his scripted, teleprompter speech without going off on a little side trip to Nowheresville and a short stop in Babble.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at August 31, 2020 03:40 PM (CKyRi)

322 "Do you have any suggestions for improving it? Because I certainly don't
know how strike a better balance, on whole, between moving things along
quickly, and having a system that is fair to defendants, and fair to the
plaintiff / prosecutor, and follows strict rules ("justice"), then what
we have now."

Actual fucking do something. Creating enough paper that it fills up ten rows of file cabinets that have nothing to do with anything isn't part of the justice system, it's part of the billing process on the defense and part of the broken system on the prosecution.
We've all seen the end results of the process that takes two years, shoddy work that actual only took two weeks of actual work.

Posted by: lowandslow at August 31, 2020 03:40 PM (4thlk)

323 I wonder how many other people Sullivan and the DOJ railroaded ??

dozens, if not hundreds

Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2020 03:40 PM (O+AcM)

324 Amy Blowbachar.

LOL!

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 31, 2020 03:40 PM (Zz0t1)

325 Illegal shipments to Iran?
Posted by: CN at August 31, 2020 03:33 PM (ONvIw)

He should have shipped cash, then there would have been no problem.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 31, 2020 03:40 PM (Kpl3J)

326 307 The idea that regularity or usual procedural rules required this 8-2 ruling is really naive. It's a bit like the Rick Perry prosecution. Court of Criminal Appeals here in Texas went out of its way to grabt pretrial habeas relief, which is almost impossible to get as a practical matter. And the reason was simple: the Court recognized (without saying so) that the whole prosecution was a political sham. Same thing here, except a Democrat-dominated court approves of the sham. Judges - especially Dems, who have no fixed principles - find a way around "the rules" when they produce undesirable. They just don't find this undesirable. It's all political.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 31, 2020 03:36 PM (H5knJ)

Well, that's certainly a cynical take. I suppose it's possible that they were using procedure as an excuse to wink and nod at the trial judge to keep it up until the election.

But, on the flip side... maybe they weren't.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:41 PM (cnTJD)

327 326 Day after election, we settle all family business
Posted by: vmom 2020 VINCERO at August 31, 2020 03:39 PM (J8nVw)

That is happening one way or the other. I just hope we're on the victorious side of the election.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at August 31, 2020 03:41 PM (qqsAu)

328 How about we start a no justice no peace campaign?

Posted by: Skip at August 31, 2020 03:41 PM (OjZpE)

329 313 Do you really believe that this particular appeals court is concerned with, regarding this particular case (Flynn)?
Posted by: Hands at August 31, 2020 03:33 PM (786Ro)

I think every judge on every appeals court in every common law country is incredibly worried about that.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:37 PM (cnTJD)

Ok Chief Justice Roberts.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 31, 2020 03:41 PM (CzsKO)

330
I might need to buy some Kanye 2020 stickers to give to people. "Jesus Walks... but Yeezus Runs!"

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 31, 2020 03:41 PM (wzG2V)

331 323 Again, this is their October surprise.

Sullivan will sentence Flynn to time served.
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Sentenced to time served for a case that had been dropped?

Posted by: Pliney at August 31, 2020 03:41 PM (EOMr0)

332 Judges are completely impartial and nonpolitical, and I am Queen of Rumania!

Posted by: Jumpin' John Roberts! at August 31, 2020 03:41 PM (I2/tG)

333 Well we'll find out if BLM and AntiFa care what Biden has to say later tonight. What if they give badfinger the finger? What then?

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 31, 2020 03:41 PM (WshOM)

334 Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at August 31, 2020 03:40 PM

Most certainly worthy of a thread

Posted by: Skip at August 31, 2020 03:42 PM (OjZpE)

335 >>I wonder how many other people Sullivan and the DOJ railroaded ??

Weissmann put roughly 10,000 people out of work when he went after Arthur Anderson. He was reversed at the Supreme Court 9-0.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2020 03:42 PM (ZLI7S)

336 Actual fucking do something. Creating enough paper that it fills up ten rows of file cabinets that have nothing to do with anything isn't part of the justice system, it's part of the billing process on the defense and part of the broken system on the prosecution.
We've all seen the end results of the process that takes two years, shoddy work that actual only took two weeks of actual work.
Posted by: lowandslow at August 31, 2020 03:40 PM (4thlk)

Yeah, it's just not that simple.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:42 PM (cnTJD)

337 I've been practicing for nearly two decades. Anyone who thinks Roberts's take about there not being Republican or Democrat judges where politically charged issues are concerned is a child. There's a reason they fight over appellate court judges so hard.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 31, 2020 03:43 PM (H5knJ)

338 This is just one more reason the courts rate lower than disentary.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at August 31, 2020 03:43 PM (CKyRi)

339 The people funding it should be arrested, and their wealth used to rebuild what their monsters destroyed.
Posted by: CN

Arrested. Charged with ~~sedition~~. Treason. We have passed sedition.

Article III, Section 3.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, OR in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.

Yes. Their foot soldiers are levying war.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2020 03:43 PM (19RKp)

340 The issue is the publics perception of the Court.

This does not help.

Same as the FBI and DOJ crap against the President.

Unless someone gets slapped both Publicly, AND Legally, any trust we have in those organizations is greatly diminished.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 31, 2020 03:15 PM (NgKpN)

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You misspelled zero.

Posted by: ShainS at August 31, 2020 03:43 PM (CjeW1)

341 Film of Biden buying todays newspaper in PA, or it didn't happen.

Posted by: Menack at August 31, 2020 03:43 PM (buTO7)

342 338 323 Again, this is their October surprise.

Sullivan will sentence Flynn to time served.
=======

Sentenced to time served for a case that had been dropped?
________________

He has to rule on the government's unopposed (except by Sullivan himself) motion to dismiss the charges first.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at August 31, 2020 03:43 PM (k4dH2)

343 Motion denied!"

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at August 31, 2020 03:37 PM (k4dH2)

And then certain posters will shout with glee how the circuit court will slap Sullivan down with harsh language. Meanwhile Flynn's nightmare continues.

Posted by: WOPR - Clown World Timeline Thinks This Timeline is Insane at August 31, 2020 03:44 PM (J70i0)

344 I just hope we're on the victorious side of the election.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at August 31, 2020 03:41 PM (qqsAu)

doesn't matter
I'm not accepting a Rioter-in-chief no matter how many votes he steals

Posted by: vmom 2020 VINCERO at August 31, 2020 03:44 PM (J8nVw)

345
340
Well we'll find out if BLM and AntiFa care what Biden has to say
later tonight. What if they give badfinger the finger? What then?

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 31, 2020 03:41 PM (WshOM)

badfinger:

https://tinyurl.com/y5pfcro4

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 31, 2020 03:44 PM (ufFY8)

346 That Biden speech was creepy. Dude came off like a panicking douche.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 31, 2020 03:44 PM (1ISKN)

347 "But as someone who has "been through the system" as both a defendant and a lawyer, yeah, it sucks."

Yeah like the lawsuit I got pulled into about property that I didn't own at the time and couldn't claim the dock as mine because I didn't claim it at the start of the lawsuit, when I wasn't a party to it. If you can make sense of that, you can be a WA state judge.

Posted by: notsothoreau at August 31, 2020 03:44 PM (JKNZq)

348 Yeah, when do we get some proof of life for Biden?

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at August 31, 2020 03:44 PM (CKyRi)

349 Ok Chief Justice Roberts.
Posted by: Buzzion at August 31, 2020 03:41 PM (CzsKO)

The most professionally embarrassing thing to happen to a judge is for an appeals court to say they got the law wrong.

I don't think thats a controversial thing to say.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:44 PM (cnTJD)

350 So what does Kamala do all day? Just wonderin.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 31, 2020 03:45 PM (WshOM)

351 ⯃

Posted by: Hands at August 31, 2020 03:45 PM (786Ro)

352 350ROBERTS HAS SOME SPASTIC CONVULSION DISORDER. I PRAY EVERY DAY THAT HE DIES FROM IT

Ok.
But if he is to die from epilepsy let's hope that he does so soon, like within the next few weeks, and not ten years from now.

Posted by: Floridachick at August 31, 2020 03:46 PM (YOIwC)

353 How do the Tuca, Laura and Sean stomach these daytime lefties ??

Obviously, they have been given orders not to say anything against Fox personnel

but the other networks anchors are fair game

kinda chicken shit but wutevs

Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2020 03:46 PM (O+AcM)

354 octagon for Tom Servo
⯃

Posted by: Hands at August 31, 2020 03:46 PM (786Ro)

355 I think Trump is waiting to pardon Flynn in hopes that he gets exonerated by the charges being dismissed. If he pardons him, there will always be the stigma of being convicted. Remember, he pled guilty and they were in the penalty part of the trial when he tried to withdraw his plea.Trump waited til Stone had exhausted all his possible remedies and was facing jail before he was pardoned.Manafort as far as I know is still in Jail and has not been pardoned. He was convicted of meny laundering I think and it was not directly related to Trump. I think eventually he will get pardoned but it will be done at Christmas or some such thing or for medical reasons. At least, that would be my bet.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2020 03:46 PM (sd8p8)

356 I was pre-law for half a semester.
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I thought you were pre-med???

Posted by: Otter at August 31, 2020 03:46 PM (an7Mv)

357 "That Biden speech was creepy. Dude came off like a panicking douche.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 31, 2020 03:44 PM (1ISKN)"

It was Like Rain Man on Donepezil.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at August 31, 2020 03:46 PM (CKyRi)

358 Sentenced to time served for a case that had been dropped?
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Yes.

He's going to deny the motion dismiss and proceed to sentencing.

He has been told personally by Obama to not dismiss.

Posted by: RoyalOil at August 31, 2020 03:47 PM (aO8Gd)

359 365 "That Biden speech was creepy. Dude came off like a panicking douche.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 31, 2020 03:44 PM (1ISKN)"

It was Like Rain Man on Donepezil.
-----------------------
I'm waiting for him to go full Chauncy Gardener and say 'I like to watch.'

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 31, 2020 03:47 PM (WshOM)

360 Creating enough paper that it fills up ten rows of
file cabinets that have nothing to do with anything isn't part of the
justice system, it's part of the billing process on the defense and part
of the broken system on the prosecution.

We've all seen the end results of the process that takes two years, shoddy work that actual only took two weeks of actual work.

Posted by: lowandslow at August 31, 2020 03:40 PM (4thlk)

Yeah, it's just not that simple.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:42 PM (cnTJD)

Then it isn't justice. It's a system that grinds people to dust. Sullivan is obviously in the wrong. It is not debatable. He's so far off the reservation that Pittsburgh called asking if anyone is looking for a lost Indian. Simply saying it's the process is the problem. Lawyers and judges make think this is them showing their brilliance. Most people look at you and think lampposts and rope.

Posted by: WOPR - Clown World Timeline Thinks This Timeline is Insane at August 31, 2020 03:48 PM (J70i0)

361 365
"That Biden speech was creepy. Dude came off like a panicking douche.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 31, 2020 03:44 PM (1ISKN)"

It was Like Rain Man on Donepezil.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at August 31, 2020 03:46 PM (CKyRi)

10 minutes to Stelter. 10 minutes to Stelter.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at August 31, 2020 03:48 PM (k/TB6)

362 I think the Baltimore Honkey Hunt deserves a thread.

Shit just got real. And I do mean "shit."

Posted by: zombie at August 31, 2020 03:48 PM (HEEq1)

363
I was pre-law for half a semester.
-----
I thought you were pre-med???
Posted by: Otter

"I was premature," he ejaculated.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 31, 2020 03:48 PM (pNxlR)

364 I was pre-law for half a semester.
-----
I thought you were pre-med???
Posted by: Otter

Shhhh. He's on a roll.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2020 03:49 PM (19RKp)

365 370 I think the Baltimore Honkey Hunt deserves a thread.

My wife is from Baltimore

and she aint voting for Biden ie: she aint black

Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2020 03:50 PM (O+AcM)

366 "Yeah, it's just not that simple."

Yes it is, it's just that your profession has made it complex when it really isn't. It's something all "professionals" like to do, take a simple system and throw enough procedures into it that it appears complex and hard. All you guys do is create paperwork, the actual legal work shouldn't be that time consuming. You're inside it so you don't see it.

Posted by: lowandslow at August 31, 2020 03:50 PM (4thlk)

367 Criminal court Judge Phyllis Chu, 56, had just gotten off the Staten Island Ferry and was headed to her job at the downtown courthouse at 100 Centre St. around 9:40 a.m. when she was suddenly slugged in the jaw by a male cyclist at the corner of Wall and Water streets.

"With no words exchanged, a bicyclist riding in the opposite direction as the one she was walking in just punched her in the face and kept going,'' Lucian Chalfen, spokesman for the city's Office of Court Administration, told The Post.

Posted by: SMOD at August 31, 2020 03:50 PM (3aI0K)

368 Of course, Flynn can look back at his own cooperation early and blame himself - he should - but this shit is obviously political.

_________

He screwed himself by hiring Eric Holder's law firm to represent him initially, who naturally then proceeded to screw Flynn over.

Not a savvy move for someone with his experience in D.C.

Posted by: ShainS at August 31, 2020 03:50 PM (0AY4v)

369 The most professionally embarrassing thing to happen to a judge is for an appeals court to say they got the law wrong.

I don't think thats a controversial thing to say.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:44 PM (cnTJD)

These people are beyond embarrassment. You sound like the NR former prosecutor who couldn't understand that the FBI/DOJ were complicit in the coup.

Posted by: WOPR - Clown World Timeline Thinks This Timeline is Insane at August 31, 2020 03:50 PM (J70i0)

370 Dr. Fauci: It's [unexpectedly] 'conceivable' we'll know by November if a safe, effective vaccine is coming

Posted by: SMOD at August 31, 2020 03:51 PM (3aI0K)

371 Basement Joe popped out of his hole like Pauxsutawney Phil, proclaimed Covid-19 was worse this year than any other in the last 100, Policemen are great and riots are all Trumps fault then went back into his hole.

Posted by: Skip at August 31, 2020 03:52 PM (OjZpE)

372 He screwed himself by hiring Eric Holder's law firm to represent him initially, who naturally then proceeded to screw Flynn over.

Not a savvy move for someone with his experience in D.C.
Posted by: ShainS at August 31, 2020 03:50 PM (0AY4v)

Remember he is or at least was a Democrat.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at August 31, 2020 03:52 PM (BBBoi)

373 27
an expired can of peaches
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 31, 2020 02:56 PM (rjE57)

A bulging expired can of peaches, if you will...

Posted by: Flyover at August 31, 2020 03:52 PM (Rbu5d)

374
Dr. Fauci: It's [unexpectedly] 'conceivable' we'll know by November if a safe, effective vaccine is coming
Posted by: SMOD at August 31, 2020 03:51 PM (3aI0K)

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Conniving little worm, that one is.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 31, 2020 03:52 PM (wzG2V)

375 Could things be tweaked? Sure. But on the whole,
there are hundreds of years of cases that have come in front of judges in the US and England that culminated in the precedences and rules of procedure we have today.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:32 PM

The changes I would make that would be more than just a "tweak" would be to change those things which have allowed cases to be prolonged endlessly, and that actually is much worse now than it ever was in our past. If one side or the other has the incentive, and the money to buy the right kind of legal representation, then cases can be prolonged endlessly, much like the mythical Jarndyce v. Jarndyce case that Dickens lampooned. Now it is the reality in our sytem.

Notable public cases where this has happened, not to mention the thousands and thousands of lesser cases where this happens: Mark Steyn v. Michael Mann, a lawsuit begun in 2012, *still* awaiting a hearing on the merits despite 8 years of legal maneuvering and expense. State vs. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, a criminal charge for fraud. 5 years and counting from when the indictment was issued, and they're still arguing about what County it should be in and what Judge should hear it. (this one could make a great movie if someone could write comedy; it would have to a farce since no one would believe the actual story)

Yes, there are ways that are not that hard to cut this out - almost every other country in the world with an effective legal system uses them. We don't because the current system provides the maximum profit making potential to everyone who has a hand in operating it. Why would they want to change that?

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 31, 2020 03:52 PM (Kpl3J)

376 A huge crowd turned out Sunday for the Hans Gruber memorial service.
Gruber was the victim of police violence, having been thrown from
Nakatomi Plaza by police officer John McClane, which many consider one
of the most excessive uses of force ever witnessed.

Posted by: SMOD at August 31, 2020 03:52 PM (3aI0K)

377 I saw Panicking Douches open for Smashing Pumpkins at the Cow Palace in '92.

Posted by: good show at August 31, 2020 03:53 PM (h5TKJ)

378 1 So what are his options?
Posted by: IC at August 31, 2020 02:52 PM (a0IVu)

What are OUR options?

If the law is what 9 jokers say it is, then I can get lots and lots of jokers, armed of course, to say what the law is. Just because they wear a robe, doesn't mean they are domestic enemies of the United States. It is their official actions that tell us.

Because THAT is what these traitors to the Constitution want, just make it up on the fly. And they aren't going to get it.

Unless we lie down let them have it.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 31, 2020 03:53 PM (sy5kK)

379 This is just one more reason the courts rate lower than disentary.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at August 31, 2020 03:43 PM (CKyRi)

*sad music*
You died under false imprisonment from a corrupt judiciary.

Posted by: Rare Oregon Trail Endings at August 31, 2020 03:53 PM (uhPTO)

380
Well we'll find out if BLM and AntiFa care what Biden has to say later tonight. What if they give badfinger the finger? What then?
Posted by: Puddin Head

He's probably in more trouble for having said today in Pittsburgh that he'll not shut down fracking. I guess his Green New Deal chipping did not "take".

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 31, 2020 03:53 PM (pNxlR)

381 They've already told Sullivan this before and he ran a string of shit show. I expect the same until it's not.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 31, 2020 03:54 PM (Okeht)

382 Whoa. Kyle only grazed Chrome Dome. Autopsy shows a shot from the back to the right lung/liver.

Sounds like friendly fire.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2020 03:54 PM (19RKp)

383 I was pre-law for half a semester.
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I thought you were pre-med???
Posted by: Otter at August 31, 2020 03:46 PM (an7Mv)

Come on, man! Leave the guy alone. People make all sorts of mistakes when they're young.

Like that time I thought Lola was the "girl" of my dreams...

Posted by: BurtTC at August 31, 2020 03:54 PM (hku12)

384 385 He screwed himself by hiring Eric Holder's law firm
to represent him initially, who naturally then proceeded to screw Flynn
over.

someone advise him to do so

Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2020 03:54 PM (O+AcM)

385
Sounds like friendly fire.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2020 03:54 PM (19RKp)

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Even. Funnier.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 31, 2020 03:55 PM (wzG2V)

386 Whoa. Kyle only grazed Chrome Dome. Autopsy shows a shot from the back to the right lung/liver.

Sounds like friendly fire.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2020 03:54 PM (19RKp)

Egad, and were some of us saying a few days ago wait for the ballistics to come back or what.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 31, 2020 03:55 PM (hku12)

387 NFL end zones will be inscribed this season with two slogans: "It Takes All Of Us" on one end line, "End Racism" on the other. As part of its social justice awareness initiatives, the NFL also will allow similar visuals on helmets and caps. Previously announced were decals on the back of helmets, or patches on team caps, displaying names or phrases to honor victims of racism and/or police brutality.

Posted by: SMOD at August 31, 2020 03:55 PM (3aI0K)

388 Whoa. Kyle only grazed Chrome Dome. Autopsy shows a shot from the back to the right lung/liver.

Sounds like friendly fire.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2020 03:54 PM (19RKp)

GAME changer.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 31, 2020 03:55 PM (Zz0t1)

389
Gruber was the victim of police violence, having been thrown from Nakatomi Plaza by police officer John McClane, which many consider one of the most excessive uses of force ever witnessed.
Posted by: SMOD

He wasn't thrown - he was let go.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 31, 2020 03:55 PM (pNxlR)

390 Anecdata: I drove through sparsely populated Pennsylvania yesterday and saw much Trump support and no Biden signs. Not that significant because of population.

I did see one sign of possible Hillary enthusiasm. There's a town called Shartlesville.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 31, 2020 03:55 PM (q2K0j)

391 Dr. Fauci: It's [unexpectedly] 'conceivable' we'll know by November if a safe, effective vaccine is coming
Posted by: SMOD

November 4th to be exact.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2020 03:55 PM (19RKp)

392 I wonder how many other people Sullivan and the DOJ railroaded ??

Senator Stevens of AK.

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at August 31, 2020 03:55 PM (gtatv)

393 Weissmann put roughly 10,000 people out of work when he went after Arthur Anderson. He was reversed at the Supreme Court 9-0.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2020 03:42 PM (ZLI7S)

I'm guessing most of those were scooped up by the big accounting firms still standing; the work still needed to be done, just not by Arthur. It still was a fucking travesty for which that piece of shit deserved to be hanged instead of employed by NYU.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 31, 2020 03:56 PM (y7DUB)

394 If you suggested this scenario to any law professor prior to this case you would have been laughed at.
Posted by: Weaning is hard at August 31, 2020 03:37 PM (BBBoi)

Isn't the guy doing the amici a law professor now?

Posted by: blaster at August 31, 2020 03:56 PM (ZfRYq)

395 391 Whoa. Kyle only grazed Chrome Dome. Autopsy shows a shot from the back to the right lung/liver.

Sounds like friendly fire.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2020 03:54 PM (19RKp)

"Mostly peaceful" friendly fire.

Posted by: CNN at August 31, 2020 03:56 PM (PiwSw)

396 Did Senile Joe have anything whatsoever to do with the preparation of his speech, other than maybe practicing something someone gave him?

Posted by: Northernlurker, don't pay me no mind at August 31, 2020 03:56 PM (lgiXo)

397 I missed something in all this. The DOJ dropped the charges and the case. Is there precedent for a judge deciding to refuse to accept this and become the prosecutor?

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 31, 2020 03:56 PM (H8QX8)

398 And your track record sucks. You went 1 - 3.

As I said, you don't know shit about me, you just think you do.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2020 03:37 PM (ZLI7S)

So the one toke by 3:30 was right? I'm disappointed. You should be at least 4-5 tokes in by 3:30. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 31, 2020 03:57 PM (9Om/r)

399 Lots of judges don't care about getting the law wrong or being caught at it. Reinhardt's (infamous 9th Cir. liberal now now dead and gone) reputed position was "they can't overrule 'em all." I once had a Texas appellate judge tell me that The Texas Supreme Court has the right to be wrong where his rulings were concerned (i.e., he was going to vote how he was going to vote, and the supremes could reverse if they wanted, but that wasn't going to change his mind).

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 31, 2020 03:57 PM (H5knJ)

400 If they get rid of TV sports

everyone's garden will look like mine

watching sports is a fucking waste of time

Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2020 03:57 PM (O+AcM)

401 Michael Flynn should sue in federal court for civil rights offenses, naming Judge Sullivan and all 10 Appeals Court judges as defendants (so none of them can hear the case).

Posted by: SMOD at August 31, 2020 03:57 PM (3aI0K)

402 The only reason I'm looking forward to a vaccine coming out by November/ December is that Trump said back in March or April we would have a vaccine by then. The Left ridiculed Trump up and down for saying that.

They are truly a despicable and ignorant group of people.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at August 31, 2020 03:57 PM (BBBoi)

403
NFL end zones will be inscribed this season with two slogans: "It Takes All Of Us" on one end line, "End Racism" on the other.

Hmmmm. I read those as "Why Watch This?" and "Turn It Off" and will act accordingly.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 31, 2020 03:57 PM (pNxlR)

404 NFL end zones will be inscribed this season with two slogans: "It Takes All Of Us" on one end line, "End Racism" on the other. As part of its social justice awareness initiatives, the NFL also will allow similar visuals on helmets and caps. Previously announced were decals on the back of helmets, or patches on team caps, displaying names or phrases to honor victims of racism and/or police brutality.
Posted by: SMOD at August 31, 2020 03:55 PM (3aI0K)
+++++++++++++
To quote General Honore, they're stuck on stupid.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 31, 2020 03:58 PM (Q8c/L)

405 Can I guess Dr Fauci November 5 is the date of that decision?

Posted by: Skip at August 31, 2020 03:58 PM (OjZpE)

406 "With no words exchanged, a bicyclist riding in the opposite direction as the one she was walking in just punched her in the face and kept going,'' Lucian Chalfen, spokesman for the city's Office of Court Administration, told The Post.
Posted by: SMOD at August 31, 2020 03:50 PM (3aI0K)

I'm gonna bet it wasn't a random attack, just a very well executed one. Perhaps revenge, perhaps someone wanted to send a message.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 31, 2020 03:58 PM (Kpl3J)

407 Whoa. Kyle only grazed Chrome Dome. Autopsy shows a shot from the back to the right lung/liver.

Sounds like friendly fire.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2020 03:54 PM (19RKp)

I knew there was no way that his head got hit by a .223. There was not enough blood.

Still - shot heard round the world, I think.

Posted by: blaster at August 31, 2020 03:58 PM (ZfRYq)

408 Nood

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at August 31, 2020 03:59 PM (GbPPJ)

409 You really want to be scared?

Supreme Court Justice Stacey Abrams.

Posted by: MJ at August 31, 2020 03:59 PM (gAMkn)

410 NFL end zones will be inscribed this season with two slogans: "It Takes All Of Us" on one end line, "End Racism" on the other.

I think I'll stick with "Chefs".

Posted by: end zone painter with a Snickers bar at August 31, 2020 03:59 PM (h5TKJ)

411 >>I'm guessing most of those were scooped up by the big accounting firms still standing; the work still needed to be done, just not by Arthur. It still was a fucking travesty for which that piece of shit deserved to be hanged instead of employed by NYU.

He's sounding a little rattled these days. McCabe too.

I don't think it's a big surprise that Weissmann started tweeting a few weeks ago.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2020 03:59 PM (ZLI7S)

412 NFL end zones will be inscribed this season with two slogans: "It Takes All Of Us" on one end line, "End Racism" on the other.

The NF who now?

Posted by: blaster at August 31, 2020 03:59 PM (ZfRYq)

413 Joe Biden@JoeBiden

Donald Trump keeps telling us if he was president, you'd feel safe.

Well, he is president - whether he knows it or not.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 31, 2020 03:10 PM (+y/Ru)

I thought several weeks ago that Trump might take a lighter tone with Biden due to Biden appearing to be in the early to moderate stages of Alzheimers
These kind of tweets, whether they are from Biden or his campaign staff have ended that little opinion of mine. I 'm betting that Trump and staff soon begin ripping this pathetic career politician to pieces and I'll be cheering it on.
Levin last night had Don Jr. on who has self published a new book about Biden's corruption. He spent a lot of research time during the initial lockdown phase of Covid to get the facts in . He says Biden and family are worse than he even knew. He felt the American public needs to know all about the Biden self enrichment program at taxpayer expense.

Posted by: Jen the original at August 31, 2020 03:59 PM (5g4gF)

414 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at August 31, 2020 03:44 PM (cnTJD)

These people are beyond embarrassment. You sound like the NR former prosecutor who couldn't understand that the FBI/DOJ were complicit in the coup.
Posted by: WOPR - Clown World Timeline Thinks This Timeline is Insane at August 31, 2020 0

He sounds like he learned the law fro Gabriel Malor.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 31, 2020 04:00 PM (CzsKO)

415 406 I missed something in all this. The DOJ dropped the charges and the case. Is there precedent for a judge deciding to refuse to accept this and become the prosecutor?
Posted by: Ordinary American at August 31, 2020 03:56 PM (H8QX

The DC Circuit is working very hard to create one.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 31, 2020 04:00 PM (Kpl3J)

416 NFL end zones will be inscribed this season with two slogans: "It Takes All Of Us" on one end line, "End Racism" on the other.+++
I suppose if there's been one single positive thing out of the Wuhan Lock-down its been the forced withdrawal from pro sports. Play. Don't play. Phuc-em.

Posted by: Old Dude at August 31, 2020 04:01 PM (LGXGf)

417 Unless we lie down let them have it.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 31, 2020 03:53 PM (sy5kK)

I shoot pretty good from prone position.

Posted by: Roland THTG at August 31, 2020 04:01 PM (88+cf)

418 I don't know if it's been mentioned, but Mark Wauck over at meaningofhistory has been following the Flynn case, as well as Spygate, quite nicely. He distills Sundance's divergences and also shipwreckedcrew's.
Mark's a pretty solid resource.

https://tinyurl.com/yye3lm7c

Posted by: Armchair Sinner at August 31, 2020 04:02 PM (Nig2g)

419 419 You really want to be scared?

Supreme Court Justice Stacey Abrams.
Posted by: MJ at August 31, 2020 03:59 PM (gAMkn)

so they ARE going to expand the SCOTUS

Posted by: REDACTED at August 31, 2020 04:03 PM (O+AcM)

420 Hot Air. At bottom of story:

Dr. Kelley of the Milwaukee Medical Examiner's Office conducted an autopsy on Joseph Rosenbaum. Dr. Kelley indicated that Rosenbaum had a gunshot wound to the right groin which fractured his pelvis, a gunshot wound to the back which perforated his right lung and liver, a gunshot wound to the left hand, a superficial gunshot wound to his lateral left thigh, and a graze gunshot wound to the right side of his forehead.

https://tinyurl.com/y6b9cy63

Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2020 04:03 PM (19RKp)

421 'Sup, y'all?

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2020 04:04 PM (MVjcR)

422 @87
Flynn is the real life version of The Trial.
Yes, the Flynn case has entered the Kafka realm. Sullivan into the malevolent persons folder.

Posted by: Papa Charlie Whiskey at August 31, 2020 04:04 PM (h8qD9)

423 The most professionally embarrassing thing to happen to a judge is for an appeals court to say they got the law wrong.

-
Satan appeared before a judge at midnight. "I can guarantee that you'll never be reversed by a higher court," Satan said. "But you must assign me your soul to burn in Hell for eternity. And your father's soul, and his father's soul back ten generations. And your son's soul, and his son's soul forward ten generations!"

The judge contemplated for a moment then asked, "What's the catch?"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 31, 2020 04:04 PM (+y/Ru)

424
Those donating to @KamalaHarris's appeal helped bail out peaceful protestor Lionel Timms, who was re-arrested last week, this time for an alleged assault that left the victim with a fractured skull and traumatic brain injury.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 31, 2020 03:03 PM (rjE57)

If I knowingly give a bat and a knife on the porch of a neighbor, that is also a violent felon, and he uses those tools for more felonies, am I not liable and have also broken the law? (I didn't use the example of a gun because of so many gun laws)

How is Kamala funding this felon's freedom not similar?

Aren't those "bail buddies" contributing to crimes, and are then liable?

There is a lot of money in those bank accounts of Hollywood folk that donated to these bail funds. Can the victims sue them? Go after their wealth because they financially helped the criminal go free, who expectedly will do more crimes?

I know I'm dreaming, but it sounds good.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 31, 2020 04:05 PM (sy5kK)

425 You really want to be scared?

Supreme Court Justice Stacey Abrams.
Posted by: MJ

She'll have her thumb on the scales of justice!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 31, 2020 04:08 PM (+y/Ru)

426 I. Am. The. Law.

Posted by: Mabe Galore at August 31, 2020 04:09 PM (an7Mv)

427 406 I missed something in all this. The DOJ dropped the charges and the case. Is there precedent for a judge deciding to refuse to accept this and become the prosecutor?
_______________

That's what the fight in the court of appeals over the mandamus petition has been about.

The DOJ can't just drop the charges and make the case go away by itself. The DOJ has filed a motion for dismissal in the trial court, but they have to get the judge to sign off on it in order for the case to be dismissed. Usually that happens automatically, but because Sullivan is a hyper-partisan loon determined to "get" Flynn for something, he is fighting it. That's why Flynn's lawyer filed the petition for mandamus, asking the appeals court to order Sullivan to dismiss the case. But since the en banc appeals court has now reversed the mandamus order, there will now be a hearing on the motion to dismiss, and Sullivan will have to make a ruling (either granting it, or refusing to grant it -- if he does the latter, there will be another mandamus petition).

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at August 31, 2020 04:10 PM (k4dH2)

428 NFL end zones will be inscribed this season with two slogans: "It Takes All Of Us" on one end line, "End Racism" on the other.

-
Just change the name to the BLMFL.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 31, 2020 04:11 PM (+y/Ru)

429 What would happen if Judge Sullivan dies in office suddenly?

Asking for a friend

Posted by: barney rubble at August 31, 2020 04:11 PM (D2wY0)

430 427 406 I missed something in all this. The DOJ dropped the charges and the case. Is there precedent for a judge deciding to refuse to accept this and become the prosecutor?

They are saying Sullivan hasn't made a decision...yet. Therefore Flynn is not entitled to relief from a decision that hasn't yet been made.

Of course they are conveniently ignoring a number of decision Sullivan HAS made, including appointing Gleason to act as a stand in prosecutor.

AND, the worst of it, we are only here because 2.5 year ago, Sullivan dicked around in accepting Flynn's guilty plea in the first place. He threatened to blow up the plea agreement, and give Flynn serious jail time. Flynn ditched his lawyers and changed his plea.

It is pretty obvious Judge Sullivan is a deeply stupid person.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at August 31, 2020 04:17 PM (8Xxh3)

431 386 Whoa. Kyle only grazed Chrome Dome. Autopsy shows a shot from the back to the right lung/liver. Sounds like friendly fire. Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2020 03:54 PM (19RKp) Egad, and were some of us saying a few days ago wait for the ballistics to come back or what.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 31, 2020 03:55 PM (hku12)

Yep. Now consider -
They were chasing him. he retreated.
They had threatened to kill him. He retreated.
They took shots at him. he retreated.
They assaulted him. he retreated.
He tripped and fell down. he could no longer retreat.
They recklessly shot at him, killing one of their own.
Another person was raising a gun to kill him.

Then he fired. He disarmed one guy without killing him. Grazed one guy, without killing him, and shot the third killing him.

Clear case of self defense. he should walk out of court. And the survivor (bicep boy) should be tossed in jail for attempted murder.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at August 31, 2020 04:29 PM (8Xxh3)

432 Howard University Law grad Emmet Sullivan began as a DC Public Defender in 1971 and rubbed shoulders with some real sleazeballs including William Borders, president of the National Bar Association. Borders would later go to prison in connection with the Alcee Hastings/Joe Nesline/Santo Trafficante bribery case. Borders was one of the major criminals pardoned by Clinton in 2001.

Posted by: Truth-Seeker at August 31, 2020 04:33 PM (hb4+V)

433 Sullivan accusing Flynn of treason, a capital offense, in court when the rap was a false statement is unbiased?

That is worse than accusing someone of mass murder when the offense was drunk and disorderly.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 31, 2020 04:34 PM (/Dgcm)

434 Well I refuse to talk to pollsters but if I took a call I would lie to them not because of the 'cancel culture' but just to try to get the DNC to underbuy fraud votes to cancel me out. If they think they only need a couple thousand they'll hopefully not spend the bucks to get 200K, etc.

Posted by: PaleRider at August 31, 2020 04:39 PM (T9Hmo)

435 Then he fired. He disarmed one guy without killing him. Grazed one guy, without killing him, and shot the third killing him.

Clear case of self defense. he should walk out of court. And the survivor (bicep boy) should be tossed in jail for attempted murder.
Posted by: Inspector Kemp at August 31, 2020 04:29 PM (8Xxh3)

Rittenhouse killed two and seriously wounded one.

Posted by: Jen the original at August 31, 2020 04:51 PM (5g4gF)

436 Clear case of self defense. he should walk out of court. And the survivor (bicep boy) should be tossed in jail for attempted murder.
Posted by: Inspector Kemp

Two of bicep boys accomplices were killed during his attack, he should get 2x felony murder chargers, attempted murder, felon in possession of a gun, reckless endangerment for firing in crowd, plus whatever gun multiples apply.

Posted by: Jean at August 31, 2020 04:56 PM (Xih1H)

437 Sullivan is not "ignorant," nor "incompetant."
He is doing the bidding of his old buddy BO by keeping Flynn silent until after the election, and the appellate court is in on it.
Stop giving evil leftists a pass, calling them dumb or out of touch. They are not aiming for good and missing by accident. They would do much more harm if they could get away with it, and soon they will.

Posted by: Rich at August 31, 2020 06:15 PM (/Zade)

438 Over at Powerline (I've been banned for life for repeating, "china is asshole"); Paul is arguing that Flynn committed a crime by pleading guilty.
So if one is innocent of a minor traffic violation would you dare contest it in court knowing if you are found guilty, you have committed a felony by lying to the court by pleading innocent.
This makes a mockery of the entire judicial system. No one would dare plead innocent of a minor offense for fear of losing and then being imprisoned for the major offense of lying the the noble, god appointed wearers of black robes.

Posted by: FlimFlammed at August 31, 2020 06:28 PM (ZTDnL)

439 Putting on my tinfoil hat here.....

Durham's case seems to be stalled (or at least going nowhere). I wonder if further progress is somehow tied to the resolution of Flynn's case. Perhaps a key piece of evidence that Durham needs is under some sort of seal, and can't be released until Flynn's case is decided. Sullivan knows this, and is under some sort of compulsion to drag things out, hopefully past the election, to keep Durham from dropping an October surprise.

Posted by: Occasional Commenter at August 31, 2020 06:36 PM (Ezw/y)

440 Why does a babble of black- robed charlatans have an 'indisputable right'to silence Flynn for political gain?

If he starts talking, the listeners will start leaking.

It's the DC way.

Posted by: lunatic fringe-i know i'm out there. at August 31, 2020 07:54 PM (Mce6+)

441 Lynch Flynn, (Republicans), keep the clinton Arkansas mafia free! You value your life, doncha ? They still own the FBI !

Posted by: ron n. at August 31, 2020 08:46 PM (om5HK)

442 But keep in mind that too-clever-by-half Machiavellian, John Glover Roberts, Jr., Chief Justice of the United States of America, has told us in no uncertain terms that there are such things as Obama judges, or Clinton judges, or Bush judges, or Trump judges, or Republican judges, or Democrat judges.

Posted by: Nikola's Notion at September 01, 2020 11:30 AM (tCf1H)

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