Rudy Giuliani Alleges That Fired Ambassador "Masha" Yovanovich Blocked Probe Into Money-Laundering Operation

The entire media is calling this a "conspiracy theory," which confuses me-- when a Democrat oppo research group shit out an actual conspiracy theory, they insisted on three years of investigation, including illegal surveillance of US citizens, to try to verify it.

But this, they know, on first sight, without any actual investigation, is a "conspiracy theory" unworthy of further consideration.

In addition to being the most virtuous, most intelligent, and most educated humans who ever lived on the earth, it also turns out that our Media-Democrat Complex is skilled in using psychic powers such as precognition.

Rudy Giuliani has revealed some of what he discovered on his trip to the Ukraine, unraveling a conspiracy theory alleging the U.S. Embassy – led by then-Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch – 'quashed' efforts by Kiev to end a corruption investigation into the disappearance of foreign aid because it was going to a non-governmental organization run by billionaire George Soros.

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The former New York City mayor described how he discovered that back in 2017 an organization he called the 'Ukrainian accounting authority' did a study, found $5.3 billion in foreign aid missing and attempted to investigate it.

He claimed the U.S. - then under the Obama administration - moved to 'quash' the probe.

'All of the sudden, members of the American Embassy, under control of Marie Yovanovitch, I call her Saint Marie Yovanovitch, come and tell them [the Ukrainians] – come and tell them – 'there's no need to do this, we're okay with the spending.'

He added: 'It comes down from the top not to investigate.'

Meanwhile, alleged reporter Chris Wallace is demanding that no actual investigation be done.

"I know there were separation of power issues there," Wallace said. "But does President Trump still believe that it was Ukraine, not Russia, that interfered in the 2016 election."

Short said, "It doesn't have to be an either/or. It can be both."

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"Does the president believe that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election?" Wallace asked.

"He thinks we should at least investigate it, Chris," Short said. "It seemed like we could never get enough investigation of foreign interference in our elections for three years, but as soon as the president asks for it, it’s like, 'Hey, we must impeach him.'"

Wallace said, "Well, that's not why it happened."

He brought up the U.S. intel agencies' assessment about Russian election interference, along with what Fiona Hill said about Ukraine interference claims being "Kremlin disinformation,"

Oh, a single person claimed otherwise.

How does Chris Wallace know which single sources to put all of his trust in, and which to disregard as "conspiracy theorizing"?

There are those psychic powers again.

"So why does the president still think it's still worth investigating whether Ukraine did something?" Wallace asked.

By the way, we know for a fact that Ukraine interfered in the election -- Ukranian officials leaked dirt on Manafort for the express purpose of derailing Trump's campaign.

Is it not "interference" if liberals like Chrissy Wallace like the interference?

That seems to be the unstated premise.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 01:09 PM




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1 Rudy is obstructing justice by looking into whats-her-faces activities.

Posted by: henry at December 23, 2019 01:10 PM (JMDly)

2 Alt-Right Conspiracy Theorist Ace of Spades

Posted by: garrett at December 23, 2019 01:10 PM (WuLIo)

3 not first

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:10 PM (q80AH)

4 Wallace said, "Well, that's not why it happened."

He brought up the U.S. intel agencies' assessment about Russian election interference, along with what Fiona Hill said about Ukraine interference claims being "Kremlin disinformation,"

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The easiest thing to counter this is to simply ask, "Who released in the information on Manafort after Trump had hired him?"

It was the Ukraine.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:11 PM (q80AH)

5 Chris Wallace, not as annoying as Stetler, but he tries harder.

Posted by: henry at December 23, 2019 01:11 PM (JMDly)

6 Oh, a single person claimed otherwise.

Coincidentally the same person was a broad member of Soros's Open Society.

Strange that.

Posted by: Flubber at December 23, 2019 01:11 PM (PQnIX)

7 How does Chris Wallace know which single sources to put all of his trust in, and which to disregard as "conspiracy theorizing"?

Cocktail parties. That was the last thread.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:11 PM (I2dne)

8 Linn - I caught your note below - Thank you!

What a great event for this Christmas.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 23, 2019 01:12 PM (Y4EXg)

9 Merry Christmas Ace and horde. What ever happened to Operation Pipe-wrench? It seems like putting that in play now would be appropriate.

Posted by: stourma at December 23, 2019 01:12 PM (Z7tWz)

10 >>How does Chris Wallace know which single sources to put all of his trust in, and which to disregard as "conspiracy theorizing"?


The semen he is holding in his mouth tingles when he hears the truth?

Posted by: garrett at December 23, 2019 01:12 PM (WuLIo)

11 I will block probes!

Posted by: Mike Bloomberg 2020 at December 23, 2019 01:12 PM (8X42K)

12
Rudy Giuliani Alleges That Fired Ambassador "Masha" Yovanovich Blocked Probe Into Money-Laundering Operation

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I believe it.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 23, 2019 01:12 PM (t5m5e)

13 pay no attention to the Ukraine!!!... RUSSIA!!!

Posted by: It's me donna at December 23, 2019 01:13 PM (6XlcD)

14 11
I will block probes!
the aliens laugh at you, and remove lube from the checklist.

Posted by: henry at December 23, 2019 01:13 PM (JMDly)

15 By the way, we know for a fact that Ukraine interfered in the election -- Ukranian officials leaked dirt on Manafort for the express purpose of derailing Trump's campaign.

Is it not "interference" if liberals like Chrissy Wallace like the interference?

That seems to be the unstated premise.

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Yes indeed, that is precisely what it means. If interference helps the State/Media Complex, it shall not be investigated because it is beneficial and therefore good and honorable.

If interference hinders the State/Media Complex, it must be investigated forever and at all costs because is harmful, bad, and despicable.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:13 PM (I2dne)

16 5 Chris Wallace, not as annoying as Stetler, but he tries harder.
Posted by: henry at December 23, 2019 01:11 PM (JMDly)

The Crazy Joe DiVola to Stetler's Costanza.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 23, 2019 01:14 PM (AURKQ)

17 I wonder how much cash Soros has gotten that came through the State Department.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 23, 2019 01:14 PM (ZJ/un)

18 Wallace is the absolute worst.

He's basically John Stewart without the Clown Nose.

Posted by: garrett at December 23, 2019 01:15 PM (WuLIo)

19 How is this a conspiracy theory?

It is an allegation and one that Rudy is claiming he has evidence to support.

Okay, put up or shut up. But it's not a conspiracy theory.

Remember, once you realize that the press and the Dems and the Never Trumpers (let's call them The Blob) do not accept that Donald Trump is the actual President, all of this makes sense.

Since he's not actually President, then, no, he doesn't have the rights and privileges of the Presidency and thus he can't possibly be acting on behalf of the United States but only for his own benefit.

They reject utterly his statements that he is doing this so that it never happens to another President because he's not one so he doesn't count.

It's stupid, but consistent.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 23, 2019 01:15 PM (mf5HN)

20 17 I wonder how much cash Soros has gotten that came through the State Department.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 23, 2019 01:14 PM (ZJ/un)

I also wonder how much cash State employees have gotten that came through Tides/Open Society

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 23, 2019 01:15 PM (AURKQ)

21
Whatever happened to the stories about $6 billion disappearing from the State Department when Hillary was Secretary of State? Is there some overlap here?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 23, 2019 01:16 PM (t5m5e)

22 Yes indeed, that is precisely what it means. If interference helps the State/Media Complex, it shall not be investigated because it is beneficial and therefore good and honorable.

If interference hinders the State/Media Complex, it must be investigated forever and at all costs because is harmful, bad, and despicable.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:13 PM (I2dne)
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It wasn't interference-interference.

Posted by: Whoopity Goldbug at December 23, 2019 01:16 PM (kvyzw)

23 "Masha" Yovanovich? the much exalted, patriotic, strong woman serving her country, who should never have been fired?... THAT "Masha" Yovanovich??



Posted by: dananjcon at December 23, 2019 01:16 PM (u6xw0)

24 I smell desperation, flop sweat and cat piss.

Posted by: Guzalot at December 23, 2019 01:16 PM (prSvo)

25 Ace, see link for answer to your question.

Safe for work. Really. Though you must be 29 years old to understand the answer.

https://pbs.tw___.com/media/
EMKX2sLW4AAi92O?format=jpg&name=small

Oh, you also need to remove the space.

Posted by: tbodie at December 23, 2019 01:16 PM (Jk+3L)

26 Might be time for Coach to ask Rudy to sit out a few plays.
He's like a soccer player on an NFL field--he may be well-intentioned, and he may accidentally score a touchdown, and the fans may love his elan, but it's possible that he's in the main more entertaining than functional, and maybe even counterproductive.

Posted by: Zod at December 23, 2019 01:16 PM (ZS9TG)

27 What a great event for this Christmas.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 23, 2019 01:12 PM (Y4EXg)

After all, Christmas *is* all about babies.

I hope you and your family have a very merry Christmas!

Posted by: Linn Ridge, Russian bot. This means War. at December 23, 2019 01:17 PM (MIUG6)

28 Ukraine didn't just interfere with the election, they were extorted by the democrats to interfere in the election.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 23, 2019 01:17 PM (1ISKN)

29 Merry Christmas, Horde!
You too, Ace!

Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 23, 2019 01:17 PM (z79tQ)

30 its reverse watergate

Posted by: DoubleBerryBerry at December 23, 2019 01:17 PM (x3Jue)

31 It's stupid, but consistent.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 23, 2019 01:15 PM (mf5HN)
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Stupid, but consistent - the new motto of the Dem Party.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at December 23, 2019 01:17 PM (kvyzw)

32 Let me get this straight: Soros appears to have transferred 5+ billion US taxpayer dollars to himself via Ukraine.

But nothing to see here, move along.

Extradite Soros to Israel.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 23, 2019 01:17 PM (oBfF8)

33 Ukraine was one of the key money laundering operations for the Clinton Foundation and all of its patrons. Trump is threatening the uni-party's graft. They don't come to Washington out of the goodness of their hearts. They come to make and keep their families rich for generations. Trump would have let them have it too, if they had let him be President. But that ship sailed. He's trying to burn it all down now, and they're hitting every panic button they have.

Now that Giuliani has new evidence, Nancy can NEVER deliver the articles of impeachment to the Senate. If there is a trial, Trump will want Giuliani as a witness. Then a world of shit hits an epic fan.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 23, 2019 01:17 PM (I99aF)

34 Bummer. At least I did not end up in the barrel.

Posted by: tbodie at December 23, 2019 01:17 PM (Jk+3L)

35 I love the dripping irony that Soros' money laundering operation in Ukraine was apparently centered on an affiliated "charity" called ANTAC - the Anti-Corruption Action Center.

Projection.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:17 PM (I2dne)

36 Rudy has dealt with, and overcome some nasty criminal organizations, but is in the battle of his life with the ultimate criminal organization, the United States Deep State.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 23, 2019 01:18 PM (sy5kK)

37 Laundry, laundry, laundry. Nothing but laundry.

Posted by: Masha Potatovich at December 23, 2019 01:18 PM (vtcmf)

38 23 "Masha" Yovanovich? the much exalted, patriotic, strong woman serving her country, who should never have been fired?... THAT "Masha" Yovanovich??

Posted by: dananjcon at December 23, 2019 01:16 PM (u6xw0)


The one who was turned out of "her" house, which for some reason the government thought it owned.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:18 PM (78Xqz)

39 I wish they would have Tuca do the Sunday

Posted by: REDACTED at December 23, 2019 01:18 PM (rpxSz)

40 35 I love the dripping irony that Soros' money laundering operation in Ukraine was apparently centered on an affiliated "charity" called ANTAC - the Anti-Corruption Action Center.

Projection.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:17 PM (I2dne)

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"They'll never even think of looking here!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:18 PM (q80AH)

41 Something's wrong here. This sounds rational.

26 Might be time for Coach to ask Rudy to sit out a few plays. He's like a soccer player on an NFL field--he may be well-intentioned, and he may accidentally score a touchdown, and the fans may love his elan, but it's possible that he's in the main more entertaining than functional, and maybe even counterproductive.
Posted by: Zod at December 23, 2019 01:16 PM (ZS9TG)

Posted by: Caliban at December 23, 2019 01:18 PM (qEujL)

42 Extradite Soros to Israel.

Hungary is interested in him also

Posted by: It's me donna at December 23, 2019 01:18 PM (6XlcD)

43
I'm not a liberal. I'A A DEMOCRAT.

Posted by: Chrissy Wallace at December 23, 2019 01:19 PM (LilNs)

44
Well, dickholes, "compsiracy" is an actual crime. Unlike, say, Obstruction of Congress.

Posted by: Bill Cosby at December 23, 2019 01:19 PM (8XRCm)

45 I love our media. What would we do without them telling us what to think about the things they choose to cover?

Fire, Salt, Scatter, yadda yadda. Some assembly required, batteries not included. Ages 5 and up.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 23, 2019 01:19 PM (z79tQ)

46 32 Let me get this straight: Soros appears to have transferred 5+ billion US taxpayer dollars to himself via Ukraine.

But nothing to see here, move along.

Extradite Soros to Israel.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 23, 2019 01:17 PM (oBfF


Malaysia. They still hang miscreants there.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:19 PM (78Xqz)

47
whoa

Off Jello Pudding Pop sock.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 23, 2019 01:19 PM (8XRCm)

48 Did Mueller or any other US Government or media outfit seriously investigate whether Ukraine, or any other nation other than Russia, meddled in, or attempted to meddle in, the 2016 election? Over to you, Wallace, NYT, WaPo, CNN, etc

Posted by: Gref at December 23, 2019 01:19 PM (AMIL/)

49 Rudy has dealt with, and overcome some nasty criminal organizations, but is in the battle of his life with the ultimate criminal organization, the United States Deep State.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 23, 2019 01:18 PM (sy5kK)
++++++++++++
There is no mafia that is anywhere near as rich, powerful, violent or dangerous as the Deep State.

I wish Rudy luck and I am pulling for him because I want the country to survive - but I think going after major private-sector gangland operations was probably only very weak preparation.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:19 PM (I2dne)

50 Masha -really- has no fans in the new Ukrainian administration. She must have gone to some effort to piss them off.

What is clear is that Giuliani and Barr have both been doing a lot of work behind the scenes. Will it be enough, fast enough? Jury's still out. But giving notice that you know a former ambassador is guilty of corruption and obstruction of justice is a bombshell allegation. It should be the only thing on the news even if you think Giuliani is lying.

Pro-tip: he is not.

Posted by: trev006 at December 23, 2019 01:19 PM (aDkrc)

51 Extradite Soros to Israel.

Hungary is interested in him also
Posted by: It's me donna at December 23, 2019 01:18 PM (6XlcD)
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And... Malaysia, is it?

Posted by: Captain Obvious at December 23, 2019 01:20 PM (kvyzw)

52 The "Conspiracy Theory" slur is ridiculous on its face.

If there are no conspiracies, why are there RICO statutes? Why are there laws about aiding and abetting? Price fixing? Insider trading? Etc., etc., etc.

For that matter, if there are no conspiracies, why do we even need a FBI, SEC, CIA or asubstantial chunks of a few other bureaucracies?

I get it, everyone that hurls the "Conspiracy Theory" slur really thinks we should just close down several bureaucracies and eliminate a large body of law. That's it. Sure. Absolutely.

Posted by: jc at December 23, 2019 01:20 PM (PuMKG)

53 It must be an enormous burden for the Dark State's media enablers to carry the heavy water for the perpetrators of the Greatest Hoax In American History. Take a bow, Chris Wallace.

Posted by: mrp at December 23, 2019 01:20 PM (Pqytn)

54 48 Did Mueller or any other US Government or media outfit seriously investigate whether Ukraine, or any other nation other than Russia, meddled in, or attempted to meddle in, the 2016 election? Over to you, Wallace, NYT, WaPo, CNN, etc

NO

Posted by: It's me donna at December 23, 2019 01:20 PM (6XlcD)

55 42 Extradite Soros to Israel.

Hungary is interested in him also
Posted by: It's me donna at December 23, 2019 01:18 PM (6XlcD)


So is Malaysia. Hence #46.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:20 PM (78Xqz)

56 Bow many of you here felt "influenced" by Russia or Ukraine in 2016? Anyone? Bueller?

This entire thing is absurdity taken to the nth degree. The populist uprising that got Trump elected in 2016 has also been seen in dozens of other countries around the world, and in countless other ways -- none of which were created by or influenced by "Russia" or "Ukraine."

Trump's election is merely one example of a global and historical pattern that is widespread. There is no need for a bizarre conspiracy theory that this one exemplar is populism was fake, while all the others were real.

If Trump's populist victory was unique and going against a trend, then maybe they're even have a starting point for their theory, But it wasn't.

Posted by: zombie at December 23, 2019 01:20 PM (fK2gX)

57 Leftists say of the Ukrainian court thing that the IC has determined that Ukraine did not interfere.

Apparently, the US IC which missed, you know. the fall of the Soviet Union, knows more about internal Ukrainian stuff that, oh, Ukraine.

Posted by: blaster at December 23, 2019 01:20 PM (9VeU0)

58 its reverse watergate
Posted by: DoubleBerryBerry at December 23, 2019 01:17 PM (x3Jue)

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firefence??

Posted by: fixerupper at December 23, 2019 01:20 PM (8XRCm)

59 Obama wants Biden shut down

he and his pals are up to their chins in this Ukraine shit

Posted by: REDACTED at December 23, 2019 01:20 PM (rpxSz)

60 54 48 Did Mueller or any other US Government or media outfit seriously investigate whether Ukraine, or any other nation other than Russia, meddled in, or attempted to meddle in, the 2016 election? Over to you, Wallace, NYT, WaPo, CNN, etc

NO
Posted by: It's me donna at December 23, 2019 01:20 PM (6XlcD)

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"Why would they investigate something so obviously untrue and ridiculous as the idea that the Ukraine interfered in our election?"
-People who think Trump is Putin's puppet

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:20 PM (q80AH)

61 Malaysia ftw. They know what to do with him.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 23, 2019 01:20 PM (v089B)

62 They even asked me to pee on a bed. Sigh.

Posted by: Masha Potatovich at December 23, 2019 01:21 PM (vtcmf)

63 Bow many = How many

Posted by: zombie at December 23, 2019 01:21 PM (fK2gX)

64 piss wallace is fraud and and a traitor. he's a fucking failure just like his commie old man. fuck him sideways with a flamethrower.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 23, 2019 01:21 PM (KP5rU)

65 45 I love our media. What would we do without them telling us what to think about the things they choose to cover?

Fire, Salt, Scatter, yadda yadda. Some assembly required, batteries not included. Ages 5 and up.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 23, 2019 01:19 PM (z79tQ)


D-Lamp was before his time.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:21 PM (78Xqz)

66 my MSM sad news feed says the turtle is buckjling? anynews?

Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 23, 2019 01:21 PM (FEQY4)

67 ... I call her Saint Marie Yovanovitch ...

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You misspelled "Taint."

Posted by: ShainS -- Mifsud Didn't Kill Himself at December 23, 2019 01:22 PM (KCBKF)

68 LOL Chrissie W, and GF

Posted by: zeera BMGG - Books Make Great Gifts! at December 23, 2019 01:22 PM (X+a7J)

69 Hungary is interested in him also
Posted by: It's me donna at December 23, 2019 01:18 PM (6XlcD)

Malaysia has a noose with his name on it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 23, 2019 01:22 PM (/sgva)

70 >>piss wallace is fraud and and a traitor. he's a fucking failure just like his commie old man. fuck him sideways with a flamethrower.


Essentially, he is Chelsea Clinton.

Posted by: garrett at December 23, 2019 01:22 PM (WuLIo)

71 Ukrainian government people dug up info on Manafort's connection to prior Ukrainian government people, and that is why Manafort resigned/was fired from the Trump campaign.

Oh, and that digging up was at the behest of a DNC operative (Chalupa).

This is KNOWN STUFF.

Conspiracy theory. My ass.

Posted by: blaster at December 23, 2019 01:22 PM (9VeU0)

72 The one who was turned out of "her" house, which for some reason the government thought it owned.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:18 PM (78Xqz)
*
I think Masha's mish is moosh.

Posted by: dananjcon at December 23, 2019 01:22 PM (u6xw0)

73 D-Lamp was before his time.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:21 PM (78Xqz)

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Could have sworn I saw his nic the other day.

Posted by: SMH at December 23, 2019 01:22 PM (RU4sa)

74 The complete lack of curiosity demonstrated by Chrissy and the rest of the Deep State Media regarding Ukraine tells me all I need to know - that Ukraine is an absolute minefield for Obama, Felonious, Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Lynch, and the rest of them.

Known that for some time, actually.

Posted by: DocJ at December 23, 2019 01:23 PM (77WPm)

75 Malaysia ftw. They know what to do with him.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 23, 2019 01:20 PM (v089B)

Put him on a plane headed into a black hole?

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 23, 2019 01:23 PM (q1Pj5)

76 Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 23, 2019 01:21 PM (KP5rU)
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I believe the AoSHQ Stylebook requires the "flaming pineapple" verbiage.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at December 23, 2019 01:23 PM (kvyzw)

77 71 Ukrainian government people dug up info on Manafort's connection to prior Ukrainian government people, and that is why Manafort resigned/was fired from the Trump campaign.

Oh, and that digging up was at the behest of a DNC operative (Chalupa).

This is KNOWN STUFF.

Conspiracy theory. My ass.
Posted by: blaster at December 23, 2019 01:22 PM (9VeU0)

And all that "black book" nonsense was fabricated in its entirety by FSB or FSB friendly elements in UKR.... right?

Or am i confused with something else?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 23, 2019 01:23 PM (AURKQ)

78 74 The complete lack of curiosity demonstrated by Chrissy and the rest of the Deep State Media regarding Ukraine tells me all I need to know - that Ukraine is an absolute minefield for Obama, Felonious, Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Lynch, and the rest of them.

Known that for some time, actually.
Posted by: DocJ at December 23, 2019 01:23 PM (77WPm)

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Is it lack of curiosity or willful blindness?

To ask is to answer, I think.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:23 PM (q80AH)

79 Masha?

Figures Gaylord 'Maldives' Focker would screw up spelling Marcia's name.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 23, 2019 01:24 PM (10jcS)

80 Is it lack of curiosity or willful blindness?

To ask is to answer, I think.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:23 PM (q80AH)

Yes - and indeed.

Posted by: DocJ at December 23, 2019 01:24 PM (77WPm)

81 >>the turtle is buckjling? Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 23, 2019 01:21 PM (FEQY4)

That's the codeword: "The Turtle Is Buckjling." Means that it's time for hardened types to prepare for action.
"Buckjling" is a term used to describe a swimming turtle's attack on a frog. Those familiar with turtles and frogs have seen it: The turtle grabs the swimming frog's leg from under him, and then rakes his turtle-claws through the frog's belly, opening it. Devouring then occurs.

Posted by: Zod at December 23, 2019 01:24 PM (ZS9TG)

82 Remember that the original version said "Peace on earth to men of good will."

Which lets us off the hook.

Posted by: Eeyore at December 23, 2019 01:24 PM (ZbwAu)

83 Bow many of you here felt "influenced" by Russia or Ukraine in 2016? Anyone? Bueller?

This entire thing is absurdity taken to the nth degree. The populist uprising that got Trump elected in 2016 has also been seen in dozens of other countries around the world, and in countless other ways -- none of which were created by or influenced by "Russia" or "Ukraine."


Here's my question: how EXACTLY did Russia/ Ukraine/ Derkaderkastan/ Wakanda influence our election?

I see vague allegations of such, but as a practical matter, what exactly could or did they do to affect the outcome materially? "Hacking the election" suggests messing with the count, which a) is obviously nonsense, and b) is the Democrat stock-in-trade. Maybe that's why the Democrats are upset: they don't want the competition.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:25 PM (78Xqz)

84 I like to watch Joe Biden skinny dip. Ideally, I'd like to watch him the White House pool. Is that so wrong?

Posted by: Chris Wallace at December 23, 2019 01:25 PM (LISuA)

85 The complete lack of curiosity demonstrated by Chrissy and the rest of the Deep State Media regarding Ukraine tells me all I need to know - that Ukraine is an absolute minefield for Obama, Felonious, Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Lynch, and the rest of them.

Known that for some time, actually.
Posted by: DocJ at December 23, 2019 01:23 PM (77WPm)
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Yes, but more. If I had to lay a wager right now, I'd say this is right, but that a ton of long-time Republicans and any number of unaffiliated/politically-indifferent administrative types are neck-deep in the sludge over there, too.

I suspect that if Ukraine is ever comprehensively investigated, Washington's streets will run red.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:26 PM (I2dne)

86 Democrats are apparently not of good will, so open season on the Daffy Ducks.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 23, 2019 01:26 PM (10jcS)

87 83 Here's my question: how EXACTLY did Russia/ Ukraine/ Derkaderkastan/ Wakanda influence our election?

I see vague allegations of such, but as a practical matter, what exactly could or did they do to affect the outcome materially? "Hacking the election" suggests messing with the count, which a) is obviously nonsense, and b) is the Democrat stock-in-trade. Maybe that's why the Democrats are upset: they don't want the competition.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:25 PM (78Xqz)

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$100,000 in Facebook ads.

It's democracy ending.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:26 PM (q80AH)

88 It takes a strong soul to resist the allure of the cocktail set of NYC/DC

To some, like Wallace, being on the outs on the coffee table circuit is their worst nightmare.

plus, they would miss all the whispered market tips

Posted by: REDACTED at December 23, 2019 01:26 PM (rpxSz)

89 84 I like to watch Joe Biden skinny dip. Ideally, I'd like to watch him the White House pool. Is that so wrong?
Posted by: Chris Wallace at December 23, 2019 01:25 PM (LISuA)
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Yes. Yes, it is. Now, hand me the brain bleach.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at December 23, 2019 01:26 PM (kvyzw)

90 Yovanovitch also personally denied visas to people that wanted to come from Ukraine to testify.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 23, 2019 01:26 PM (CjFDo)

91 I would love for a fraction of these crimes to be successfully prosecuted.
Just one.
Give us One Small Victory.

Posted by: attila the thrilla at December 23, 2019 01:26 PM (w7KSn)

92 20
17 I wonder how much cash Soros has gotten that came through the State Department.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 23, 2019 01:14 PM (ZJ/un)



I also wonder how much cash State employees have gotten that came through Tides/Open Society

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 23, 2019 01:15 PM (AURKQ)

If you want to know why obama had the U.S. so heavily involved in Ukraine, you need only understand Soros' investment interests in Ukraine.
John Solomon at The Hill from August 2019.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y2aox37b
So when Donald Trump's improbable march to the White House picked up
steam in the spring of 2016, Team Soros marched to the top of the State
Department to protect some of those investments, according to newly
released department memos providing a rare glimpse into the Democratic
donor's extraordinary access to the Obama administration.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 23, 2019 01:26 PM (1CjJc)

93 A friend described the MFM reporters, when they're given their orders on what to lie about today, by comparing them to dogs offered a treat. They wag their tails and salivate.

I used to put it down to imbecility. I still believe they are that dumb, but they are just as dishonest as they are stupid.

Posted by: Eeyore at December 23, 2019 01:26 PM (ZbwAu)

94 There are several Ukraine money laundromats.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 23, 2019 01:27 PM (v089B)

95 D-Lamp was before his time.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:21 PM (78Xqz)


Not really. But he did say it out loud sooo...
Some of us just keep our verboten thoughts off the web sites we want to stay at.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 23, 2019 01:27 PM (z79tQ)

96 70 >>piss wallace is fraud and and a traitor. he's a fucking failure just like his commie old man. fuck him sideways with a flamethrower.


Essentially, he is Chelsea Clinton.
Posted by: garrett at December 23, 2019 01:22 PM (WuLIo)


But less homely.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:27 PM (78Xqz)

97 5
Chris Wallace, not as annoying as Stetler, but he tries harder.


Posted by: henry at December 23, 2019 01:11 PM (JMDly)

_______


I wonder if anybody has ever done a parody song and music video of "Helter Stelter?" That would be a target-rich environment ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Mifsud Didn't Kill Himself at December 23, 2019 01:27 PM (KCBKF)

98 67 ... I call her Saint Marie Yovanovitch ...

===

is she now another human shield for the left to hide behind...beyond criticism?

Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 23, 2019 01:27 PM (FEQY4)

99 I know the media meme right now is Giuliani is off his rocker, but I don't buy it one bit. I think he's still a very powerful and useful ally for Trump.

I've always liked Rudy, and think we were fools not to nominate him. He would have made a great President.

Posted by: Blago at December 23, 2019 01:27 PM (sjTfF)

100 Not really. But he did say it out loud sooo...
Some of us just keep our verboten thoughts off the web sites we want to stay at.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 23, 2019 01:27 PM (z79tQ)


I know. Fair enough.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:27 PM (78Xqz)

101 *opens a stand*

55 gallons of brain bleach for $100
100 yards of mental floss for $15.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 23, 2019 01:27 PM (10jcS)

102 I suspect that if Ukraine is ever comprehensively investigated, Washington's streets will run red.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:26 PM (I2dne)

Agreed. Feature, not a bug, of Rudy's investigation, methinks.

Posted by: DocJ at December 23, 2019 01:28 PM (77WPm)

103 The sums involved are mind-boggling to the point where it doesn't make any sense. $5.3 billion?

If Kathy in Purchasing spends $30 K at her brother-in-law's business someone is going to look into it.

We let $5.3 billion go poof? I don't believe that everyone in the Swamp is corrupt or in on it, and if they all were there would be public fights over the spoils.

Where's the review at USAID or wherever?

"Hey Smitty, did that $5 bn get to Ukraine?"

"Yes sir, all of it."

"Then what?"

"Sir?"

"Then what happened to the money?"

"Oh, ask Walters down the hall".

"George, $5 bn is a lot of money".

"Without question it is, sir".

"Well, don't let this happen again".



Seriously, there's oversight in a public school district. How do $5 bn get laundered to Soros? It's incredible in the literal sense that I find it hard to believe.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, genuinely perplexed at December 23, 2019 01:28 PM (gd9RK)

104 We're gonna need a bigger woodchipper.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 23, 2019 01:28 PM (pI4nx)

105 >>Here's my question: how EXACTLY did Russia/ Ukraine/ Derkaderkastan/ Wakanda influence our election? Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:25 PM (78Xqz)

The election was won in a few upper-Midwest states, Wisconsin and Michigan to be exact. The influence occurred during hot-dish suppers in church basements.
"Wow, Martha, your tater-tot casserole really is the best!""I'm glad you like it. Old family recipe.""Is that so? Where are your people from?""Well, from Russia, yaknow.""That so?""Yah.""That Russian fella, Putin, he's pretty much got it all figured out.""Yah.""Yah."(Pondering)"Well, I'm off for more punch."

Posted by: Zod at December 23, 2019 01:28 PM (ZS9TG)

106 63 Bow many = How many
Posted by: zombie at December 23, 2019 01:21 PM (fK2gX)

not necessary

we all speak Spadestanish here

Posted by: REDACTED at December 23, 2019 01:29 PM (rpxSz)

107 "when a Democrat oppo research group shit out an actual conspiracy theory, they insisted on three years of investigation, including illegal surveillance of US citizens, to try to verify it."

Well, pretty much. It's cool though. We can trust them...

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 23, 2019 01:29 PM (r7Fvf)

108 I wonder if anybody has ever done a parody song and music video of "Helter Stelter?" That would be a target-rich environment ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Mifsud Didn't Kill Himself at December 23, 2019 01:27 PM (KCBKF)

When i get to the bottom
i got back to the top of the slide
and I stop and I turn
and I go for a ride
and get stuck
half-way down
'CAUSE I'M SO DAMN FAAAAAAAATTTT

YEAH!

Helter Stelter!

(doodoodoodoodoodoodoo....)

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 23, 2019 01:29 PM (AURKQ)

109 I'm carrying this over from other thread, because I have thought about this scenario in the past, and now it has actually occurred IRL.

320 I'll just leave you with this. When BF saw the armored vehicle rolling
up his street, complete with battering ram, he said, "if the government
wants to take our guns they'll be able to do it. That thing could have
rode up on my property and smashed through my house like it was made of
toothpicks."

Posted by: kallisto at December 23, 2019 12:51 PM (DJFLF)



That's not at all how the Boogaloo is going to go down.

Posted by: DocJ at December 23, 2019 12:57 PM (77WPm)

How is it going to go down? Seriously.
They sent a paramilitary force after ONE GUY, claimed it was an active shooter situation - it wasn't. They deployed three drones and dozens of troops. I'm calling them troops because most of them were not wearing identifiable law enforcement uniforms. This was an example of extreme overkill. I don't have all the details down, but the newspaper reported that a neighbor found a bullet in her house and called the police.
Anyway, I always used to wonder when these discussions came up: The government always will enjoy the advantage of superior hardware. The only thing we have in our favor now is a friendly Presidential Administration. I don't understand how - in real life terms - an armed population can win over a government that is equipped with military hardware.

Posted by: kallisto at December 23, 2019 01:29 PM (DJFLF)

110 "Is it not "interference" if liberals like Chrissy Wallace like the interference?"

Criminality in defense of leftism is no vice.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 23, 2019 01:29 PM (iw59Q)

111 5 billion with a B. That money coild buy a lot of press. A lot of Wallaces.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 23, 2019 01:29 PM (b64t4)

112 Redd Foxx was the man!

Posted by: Flip Wilson at December 23, 2019 01:29 PM (8X42K)

113 So the Ukraine, before Trump's inauguration, was the place to send US taxpayer treasure for laundering? Laundering money on a titanic scale? Untraceable? With the vig being used to fund Democrat campaigns? That Ukraine?

Posted by: mrp at December 23, 2019 01:30 PM (Pqytn)

114 This "conspiracy theory" gatekeeping nonsense is getting out of hand.

The evidence in the public record for Ukrainian interference is of no worse quality or less speculative than the Russia collusion narrative.

The only difference is the Russia Hoax evidence was first laundered through official Deep State sources before it got discredited. Sure, Guiliani is a bit of unreliable nutjob/crank at this point, but really no less so than Brennan, Comey, or Clapper.

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at December 23, 2019 01:30 PM (hdzef)

115 $100,000 in Facebook ads.

It's democracy ending.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:26 PM (q80AH)


So we can confidently expect President Bloomberg in 2021, given that he's been carpet bombing the country with his crap?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:30 PM (78Xqz)

116 Seriously, there's oversight in a public school district. How do $5 bn get laundered to Soros? It's incredible in the literal sense that I find it hard to believe.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, genuinely perplexed at December 23, 2019 01:28 PM (gd9RK)
+++++++++++++
They wanted it to.

New law: all federal outlays must be publicly disclosed in a searchable online database. The source agency, the destination organization or person, the authorizing agents, and the amounts. In real time.

Individual transfer payments or in-kind payments (social security, welfare, section-8, food stamps, etc.) may be obscured in terms of recipient, but each transaction still needs to be posted, along with the location (the state of residence) of the individual.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:30 PM (I2dne)

117 $5.3 billion?

The administration that went after the Kharzi government for such corruption?

Next you will me gambling goes on at Rick's place.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 23, 2019 01:30 PM (10jcS)

118 108 I wonder if anybody has ever done a parody song and music video of "Helter Stelter?" That would be a target-rich environment ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Mifsud Didn't Kill Himself at December 23, 2019 01:27 PM (KCBKF)

When i get to the bottom
i got back to the top of the slide
and I stop and I turn
and I go for a ride
and get stuck
half-way down
'CAUSE I'M SO DAMN FAAAAAAAATTTT

YEAH!

Helter Stelter!

(doodoodoodoodoodoodoo....)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 23, 2019 01:29 PM (AURKQ)


Comin 'round fat and I'm miles around too!

Tell me, tell me, tell me the answer
I need a tailor 'cause I split my pants, yeah!
Helter Stelter!

Posted by: josephistan at December 23, 2019 01:31 PM (Izzlo)

119 ainS -- Mifsud Didn't Kill Himself at December 23, 2019 01:27 PM (KCBKF)

He's on the Island of Mifsud toys. Waiting for Santa.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 23, 2019 01:31 PM (r7Fvf)

120 115 $100,000 in Facebook ads.

It's democracy ending.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:26 PM (q80AH)

So we can confidently expect President Bloomberg in 2021, given that he's been carpet bombing the country with his crap?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:30 PM (78Xqz)

==========

If he spends more than $100,000 than it won't have an effect.

I mean, Hillary spent more than one billion dollars and it didn't work.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:32 PM (q80AH)

121 Also, keep in mind that $5.3 billion is pretty close to the amount Trump asked for in order to build the wall.

We can't afford it for border security, but we can afford to launder into the Soros network.

Priorities status: whacked out.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:32 PM (I2dne)

122 Watch the 1968 Dean Martin Christmas Special and imagine the orphanage kids

Posted by: Regular joe at December 23, 2019 01:32 PM (6/uwW)

123 So we can confidently expect President Bloomberg in 2021, given that he's been carpet bombing the country with his crap?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:30 PM

I love the fake ass leather jacket nanny is wearing that makes it look like a military commander's jacket. I keep trying to see what it says on the patch but it's so fucking dishonest. Surprising nobody.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 23, 2019 01:32 PM (r7Fvf)

124 Seriously, there's oversight in a public school district. How do $5 bn get laundered to Soros? It's incredible in the literal sense that I find it hard to believe.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, genuinely perplexed at December 23, 2019 01:28 PM (gd9RK)

If the fraud is perpetrated at the highest levels of government on behalf of a multibillionaire vampire squid, and the oversight is at a nadir of ineffectiveness? I'd find it surprising if there wasn't massive corruption. Hell, I was surprised Mueller couldn't find evidence of Donald Trump being a criminal. Guy has virtue to be that clean!

What has to terrify Congress is that Trump is apparently serious about these scandals, and clearly doesn't care who he exposes. Completely discrediting both parties and abolishing Congress would be a feature to him, not a bug. I'm sure he hasn't forgotten about that Senate resolution against him. I haven't.

Posted by: trev006 at December 23, 2019 01:32 PM (aDkrc)

125 109: there are ways.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 23, 2019 01:32 PM (v089B)

126 Liz luvs the taste of moccasins

Posted by: REDACTED at December 23, 2019 01:32 PM (rpxSz)

127 Somehow Soros has US citizenship?

I would still prefer that the only reason a US Assistant SecState would be talking to him is to oprimize drone targeting.

Posted by: JEM at December 23, 2019 01:33 PM (mstQR)

128 So, they send our sons to Afghanistan.
And send their sons to Ukraine.
To pick up bribes of money stolen from US taxpayers.

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 23, 2019 01:33 PM (okVfE)

129 371
KALLISTO !



You're alive !

Posted by: JT at December 23, 2019 01:05 PM (arJlL)

Yes I couldn't get near that situation last nite if I wanted to.

Anyway I have to go shop for Christmas dinner, everybody have a great holiday!

Posted by: kallisto at December 23, 2019 01:33 PM (DJFLF)

130 What has to terrify Congress is that Trump is apparently serious about these scandals, and clearly doesn't care who he exposes. Completely discrediting both parties and abolishing Congress would be a feature to him, not a bug. I'm sure he hasn't forgotten about that Senate resolution against him. I haven't.
Posted by: trev006 at December 23, 2019 01:32 PM (aDkrc)
++++++++++++
I am ashamed to admit that this is the first I've heard of it. Do you have a link or a summary?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:33 PM (I2dne)

131 Anyway, I always used to wonder when these discussions came up: The government always will enjoy the advantage of superior hardware. The only thing we have in our favor now is a friendly Presidential Administration. I don't understand how - in real life terms - an armed population can win over a government that is equipped with military hardware.
Posted by: kallisto at December 23, 2019 01:29 PM (DJFLF)


Turn it around: what disadvantages does the government have?

The American Revolution, the Vietnam War, and Soviet experience in Afghanistan all indicate that even a world-class power can have its hands full fighting a dispersed enemy that adopts guerrilla tactics.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:33 PM (78Xqz)

132
Anyway I have to go shop for Christmas dinner, everybody have a great holiday!
Posted by: kallisto at December 23, 2019 01:33 PM (DJFLF)

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Peking Duck!!!

Posted by: fixerupper at December 23, 2019 01:34 PM (8XRCm)

133 70 >>piss wallace is fraud and and a traitor. he's a fucking failure just like his commie old man. fuck him sideways with a flamethrower.


Essentially, he is Chelsea Clinton.
Posted by: garrett at December 23, 2019 01:22 PM (WuLIo)


What?

Webb Hubbell is Chris Wallace's father?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 23, 2019 01:34 PM (sy5kK)

134 113 So the Ukraine, before Trump's inauguration, was the place to send US taxpayer treasure for laundering? Laundering money on a titanic scale? Untraceable? With the vig being used to fund Democrat campaigns? That Ukraine?

Posted by: mrp at December 23, 2019 01:30 PM (Pqytn)


By George, I think he's got it. Yes, I believe he's really got it.

Posted by: George at December 23, 2019 01:34 PM (9v1sv)

135 Wallace is so biased he can't even contain it.

Posted by: steevy at December 23, 2019 01:34 PM (KNsKs)

136 Not for nothing but I've been saying for a long time that Ukraine was the key to this whole thing. It was a huge money laundering operation for US politicians and foreign politicians as well.

Billions of foreign aid from the IMF and individual governments also flowed to Ukraine with a lot of the money ending up in the UK and still more flowing through places like Estonia, Latvia and other garden spots were it could be further laundered before ending up in the accounts of politicians who had helped send it to Ukraine to begin with.

The Ukraine revolution of 2014 was not a revolution. It was a carefully engineered coup intended to install a more pro-western government that could be controlled by DC and like minded foreign pols.

It's not a conspiracy theory if it happens to be true.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 23, 2019 01:35 PM (ZLI7S)

137 So the Ukraine, before Trump's inauguration, was the place to send US taxpayer treasure for laundering? Laundering money on a titanic scale? Untraceable? With the vig being used to fund Democrat campaigns? That Ukraine?

Posted by: mrp at December 23, 2019 01:30 PM (Pqytn)
++++++++++
Nailed it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:35 PM (I2dne)

138 You're full of beans and so is your old man!

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 23, 2019 01:35 PM (r7Fvf)

139 Chelsea Clinton.
Nosferatu hands.
Strange.

Posted by: Zod at December 23, 2019 01:35 PM (qXNVo)

140 I don't understand how - in real life terms - an armed population can win over a government that is equipped with military hardware.

Posted by: kallisto at December 23, 2019 01:29 PM (DJFLF)

Hardware in the hands of people who hate you is a curse. Thing is, the government needs to accept that fact as much as we do. They need to wonder: how many armories will be emptied? How many soldiers will desert? And how many will stay only to sabotage and assassinate us?

They think the loyalty of the military is a given, as many conservatives also do. I do not.

Posted by: trev006 at December 23, 2019 01:35 PM (aDkrc)

141 136
It's not a conspiracy theory if it happens to be true.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 23, 2019 01:35 PM (ZLI7S)

==========

"SEE?!?!"
-Moon landing conspiracy theorist

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:35 PM (q80AH)

142 I don't understand how - in real life terms - an armed population can win over a government that is equipped with military hardware.

Posted by: kallisto at December 23, 2019 01:29 PM (DJFLF)

Asymmetric warfare. Vietnam and Afghanistan are examples. All that hardware doesn't matter a damn over the kind of square mileage present in the US. Going toe to toe with the US military in open field, set piece battle is madness.

Hitting logistics, creating choke points, sowing havoc behind the lines... That's how one does it.

If one were to be so inclined.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at December 23, 2019 01:35 PM (T8HPM)

143 Sure, Guiliani is a bit of unreliable nutjob/crank at this point, but really no less so than Brennan, Comey, or Clapper.
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at December 23, 2019 01:30 PM (hdzef)

That may be, but, he is still the proud possessor of one helluva record on prosecuting RICO crimes. I would wager he can quote at length from the pertinent statutes.

I have said for most of my adult life that foreign aid in the form of money was a complete and utter waste. It's usually stolen by leaders who are little better than warlords or ARE actual warlords. Send food and medicine if we have to send anything.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto at December 23, 2019 01:35 PM (kXoT0)

144 Somehow Soros has US citizenship?

Yep. The U.S. as a whole kind of has the problem California has now: it is - or was - a desirable place to live, and so while it attracted the best and brightest, it also attracted a lot of worthless scum who gravitate toward where life is good, and in so doing, make it less good.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:36 PM (78Xqz)

145 Hey Mike, the leather bomber jacket still didn't make Gaylord 'I can't throw a baseball' Focker look tough.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 23, 2019 01:36 PM (10jcS)

146 143
I have said for most of my adult life that foreign aid in the form of money was a complete and utter waste. It's usually stolen by leaders who are little better than warlords or ARE actual warlords. Send food and medicine if we have to send anything.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto at December 23, 2019 01:35 PM (kXoT0)

===========

Most presidential candidates have promised to cut foreign aid as the cure-all for our budget woes, but it never comes to pass.

I wonder why...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:36 PM (q80AH)

147 115 $100,000 in Facebook ads.

It's democracy ending.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:26 PM (q80AH)

So we can confidently expect President Bloomberg in 2021, given that he's been carpet bombing the country with his crap?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara


Precisely.

Bloomberg has spent BILLIONS on ads, and it got him exactly nothing in popularity. Russia spends less than 1% of that and it completely alters a national election?

Political ads don't work anyway. They haven't for a long time. The last time a political ad actually influenced voters in a positive way were the "I Like Ike" ads of 1952.

Posted by: zombie at December 23, 2019 01:37 PM (fK2gX)

148 *waves to Nearsider*

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 23, 2019 01:37 PM (10jcS)

149 Anyway, I always used to wonder when these discussions came up: The government always will enjoy the advantage of superior hardware. The only thing we have in our favor now is a friendly Presidential Administration. I don't understand how - in real life terms - an armed population can win over a government that is equipped with military hardware.
Posted by: kallisto at December 23, 2019 01:29 PM (DJFLF)

Well, what you had there was all the power of weaponized government directed against one lone wolf, who was maybe a bit of an outsider to the local community. None of his neighbors like him well enough to put their life on the line to protect him.

When the weaponized government starts going after an organized resistance, things will be different. Look at what happened in Mexico recently, when the government had to abandon an Army operation against one of the cartels because the cartel took captives amongst the soldiers' families.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 23, 2019 01:37 PM (/sgva)

150 If they have to go into a building and know half are coming back out, that wears on morale.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 23, 2019 01:37 PM (v089B)

151 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:33 PM (78Xqz)
that situation last nite shook me. I recall a few years back, I saw this huge black box truck with our municipality's police force logo painted on it. It looked like if you opened the back doors, a ramp came down and vehicles rolled out.

Why would they need that in our average little town?

I don't like that this equipment is stored away somewhere just waiting for GO sign. If they went full metal on that poor guy who has had issues for years and that should have been addressed by local police, and his family, if any still exist - what the living fuck is going to be deployed against an actual militia, if that circumstance ever occurs?

Posted by: kallisto at December 23, 2019 01:37 PM (DJFLF)

152 I don't understand how - in real life terms - an armed population can win over a government that is equipped with military hardware.
Posted by: kallisto at December 23, 2019 01:29 PM (DJFLF)

Look, I have no idea how this will go down; I'm just fairly certain that if this goes pear-shaped people are not going to sit-around waiting for Government Tanks to roll-u on them.

Remember, a relative handful of protesters armed with little more than bows, arrows, and some spears held the Chinese Government at bay for weeks. There are roughly 70-80 million Americans who own between 325-350 million firearms in the USA, the Government's Troops are not nearly as large and a contingent of them (not a majority, by any stretch of the imagination, but substantial) will be on Team BugOut. It's a biiiiiig country and once the rules are off for Team Government they are off for Team BugOut as well.

It will be... horrific.

Posted by: DocJ at December 23, 2019 01:37 PM (77WPm)

153 147
Precisely.

Bloomberg has spent BILLIONS on ads, and it got him exactly nothing in popularity. Russia spends less than 1% of that and it completely alters a national election?

Political ads don't work anyway. They haven't for a long time. The last time a political ad actually influenced voters in a positive way were the "I Like Ike" ads of 1952.
Posted by: zombie at December 23, 2019 01:37 PM (fK2gX)

=========

Only millions.

https://tinyurl.com/whnncte

Granted, it's almost 9 figures which is still a huge amount of money.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:38 PM (q80AH)

154 Anyway, I always used to wonder when these discussions came up: The government always will enjoy the advantage of superior hardware. The only thing we have in our favor now is a friendly Presidential Administration. I don't understand how - in real life terms - an armed population can win over a government that is equipped with military hardware.
Posted by: kallisto at December 23, 2019 01:29 PM (DJFLF)


It's a numbers game in the macro sense, but as long as the population is fat and happy (enough) the government will always win. This guy, bad or not, is singled out and the neighbors and local population assume that they had good reason to do so. They didn't come to his defense. As long as the government continues to do that, normies will continue to think that wrongs are rare and can be settled in the courts, and in fact will support the use of overwhelming force to take out "perps". After all, we want those LEO's home safe and secure at the end of the day.

All that goes out the window if it becomes clear that the government considers the population itself to be an enemy force to be quelled.

tl;dr
there's more of us than there are of them.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 23, 2019 01:38 PM (z79tQ)

155 Hey Mike, the leather bomber jacket still didn't make Gaylord 'I can't throw a baseball' Focker look tough.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 23, 2019 01:36 PM

He thinks he's Admiral Bull Halsey (maybe Admiral Bullshit though!)

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 23, 2019 01:38 PM (r7Fvf)

156 I have said for most of my adult life that foreign aid in the form of money was a complete and utter waste. It's usually stolen by leaders who are little better than warlords or ARE actual warlords. Send food and medicine if we have to send anything.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto at December 23, 2019 01:35 PM (kXoT0)
+++++++++++
Even that fails. Even if it weren't corrupt (it is), foreign aid does a lot of damage.

Foreign aid, if any, should be limited to acute crises. Anything else does more harm than good, especially agricultural aid.

Why buy from your own farmers when USAID is giving it away just down the village lane?

Longer-term foreign aid, even if well administered, prevents economic development and independence.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:38 PM (I2dne)

157 Seriously, there's oversight in a public school
district. How do $5 bn get laundered to Soros? It's incredible in the
literal sense that I find it hard to believe.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, genuinely perplexed at December 23, 2019 01:28 PM (gd9RK)

Those 30% annual returns do not come by incredible investing intuition. Dems and some Rs like McCain are all too happy to see it continue, so long as they can get their cuts.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 23, 2019 01:38 PM (1CjJc)

158 How is it going to go down? Seriously.
They sent a paramilitary force after ONE GUY, claimed it was an active shooter situation - it wasn't. They deployed three drones and dozens of troops. I'm calling them troops because most of them were not wearing identifiable law enforcement uniforms. This was an example of extreme overkill. I don't have all the details down, but the newspaper reported that a neighbor found a bullet in her house and called the police.
Anyway, I always used to wonder when these discussions came up: The government always will enjoy the advantage of superior hardware. The only thing we have in our favor now is a friendly Presidential Administration. I don't understand how - in real life terms - an armed population can win over a government that is equipped with military hardware.
Posted by: kallisto at December 23, 2019 01:29 PM (DJFLF)

If you are in a situation where the government knows and wants you as an individual gone, you're right. You don't stand much chance.
But the government can't know and want several million people gone with that same intensity all at once.

There's a reason our troops were still being killed in Iraq and Afghanistan 15 years after we nominally "won." Insurgencies win by destroying the will of the occupying force, not by objectively beating them in battle.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 23, 2019 01:38 PM (KUaJL)

159 During her testimony, Fiona Hill made certain that record reflected poor George Soros was the victim of "anti-Semitic" hate from the right. That fact should be part of any discussion using Hill as your moral compass.

Posted by: EveR at December 23, 2019 01:38 PM (R0z7P)

160 I highly doubt the Senate will allow any of these witnesses. Keep Rudy's powder dry until after the impeachment, then use him to punch back.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 23, 2019 01:39 PM (JRaU+)

161 So, they send our sons to Afghanistan.
And send their sons to Ukraine.
To pick up bribes of money stolen from US taxpayers.
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 23, 2019 01:33 PM


The meter needs work, but you've got the germ of a good ballad there. I'll allow it.

Posted by: Zombie Rudyard Kipling at December 23, 2019 01:39 PM (ejd/p)

162 The Ukraine revolution of 2014 was not a revolution. It was a carefully engineered coup intended to install a more pro-western government that could be controlled by DC and like minded foreign pols.

It's not a conspiracy theory if it happens to be true.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 23, 2019 01:35 PM (ZLI7S)


Ukraine Bank, it's not for everyone.

Posted by: George at December 23, 2019 01:39 PM (9v1sv)

163 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 23, 2019 01:37 PM (/sgva)

I hope and pray nothing like that ever happens here. However I can see it happening under the current incarnation of "democrat" politicians and rule.This country really needs to wake up and throw out every last Marxist. And at this point it means anyone who has a "d" after his name.

Posted by: kallisto at December 23, 2019 01:39 PM (DJFLF)

164 I am ashamed to admit that this is the first I've heard of it. Do you have a link or a summary?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:33 PM (I2dne)

You've heard of it, man. I'm sure you have. It's just that we live in a news environment where people forget very important things.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/03/14/twelve-
senate-republicans-voted-for-ending-trumps-national-
emergency/

When history is written, this will be recorded as when Trump planned to destroy the Senate.

Posted by: trev006 at December 23, 2019 01:39 PM (aDkrc)

165 Like what the Romans did to Hannibal.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 23, 2019 01:40 PM (v089B)

166 When history is written, this will be recorded as when Trump planned to destroy the Senate.
Posted by: trev006 at December 23, 2019 01:39 PM (aDkrc)
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Ah, okay, yes - I have heard of it. I didn't make the connection that you were talking about the national emergency overturn.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:40 PM (I2dne)

167 The American Revolution, the Vietnam War, and Soviet experience in Afghanistan all indicate that even a world-class power can have its hands full fighting a dispersed enemy that adopts guerrilla tactics.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:33 PM (78Xqz)
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Discussion: 300,000 men have lists they regularly update.

Things go sideways and men start making their lists shorter.

What happens when people in positions of power realize they're on lists, demand protection, and get the protection?

And the protection winds up on lists?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 23, 2019 01:40 PM (oBfF8)

168 131 Anyway, I always used to wonder when these discussions came up: The government always will enjoy the advantage of superior hardware. The only thing we have in our favor now is a friendly Presidential Administration. I don't understand how - in real life terms - an armed population can win over a government that is equipped with military hardware.
Posted by: kallisto at December 23, 2019 01:29 PM (DJFLF)

Turn it around: what disadvantages does the government have?

The American Revolution, the Vietnam War, and Soviet experience in Afghanistan all indicate that even a world-class power can have its hands full fighting a dispersed enemy that adopts guerrilla tactics.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:33 PM (78Xqz)

To counter: the War of Independence wasn't won by fighting the British in guerrilla warfare, we learned how to fight them as a conventional army, and in all three examples given, the guerrilla force had the backing of a major world power (France, Russia & the US, respectively). I think the other major world power in today's world - China - would rather see the establishment globalists win rather than the Deplorables.

Posted by: josephistan at December 23, 2019 01:40 PM (Izzlo)

169
Prissy Wallace is the kind of useful idiot the left likes to use to say, See, even right wing Fox News says OrangeManBad. Wallace is to Fox what John Katshit is to the Republican Party

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 23, 2019 01:41 PM (REzVc)

170 Prissy Wallace is the kind of useful idiot the left likes to use to say, See, even right wing Fox News says OrangeManBad. Wallace is to Fox what John Katshit is to the Republican Party
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 23, 2019 01:41 PM (REzVc)

Yup

Posted by: It's me donna at December 23, 2019 01:41 PM (6XlcD)

171 169
Prissy Wallace is the kind of useful idiot the left likes to use to say, See, even right wing Fox News says OrangeManBad. Wallace is to Fox what John Katshit is to the Republican Party
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 23, 2019 01:41 PM (REzVc)

=========

Then how could they blame Fox News for twisting the mind of the people into supporting Trump?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:41 PM (q80AH)

172 These reporters all talk like the bank president who's family is being held hostage but he can not say anything as he tries to convince rational people not to ask questions.

Seriously, what do they have on these people to make them all act like stockholm syndrome drones.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at December 23, 2019 01:42 PM (LWu6U)

173 66 my MSM sad news feed says the turtle is buckjling? anynews?
Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 23, 2019 01:21 PM (FEQY4)


Considering the source, I would say "meh".

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 23, 2019 01:42 PM (sy5kK)

174
Anyway, I always used to wonder when these discussions came up: The government always will enjoy the advantage of superior hardware. The only thing we have in our favor now is a friendly Presidential Administration. I don't understand how - in real life terms - an armed population can win over a government that is equipped with military hardware.
Posted by: kallisto at December 23, 2019 01:29 PM (DJFLF)



Will

Posted by: George at December 23, 2019 01:42 PM (9v1sv)

175 No grandkids today -- everybody in that household is sick. Hope I got over the initial horrible symptoms. For someone who is never sick, spending time with toddlers is terrifying.

Northern IL is enjoying almost impossible weather, so I went outside to attempt yard cleanup -- not a whole lot accomplished, but at least the chaos looks intentional.

Anyway, I am almost out of cigarettes and wine, so while the sun is shining, I will take a smug shopping walk. No carbons will be harmed while I am obtaining sinful things.


Posted by: mustbequantum at December 23, 2019 01:42 PM (MIKMs)

176 Only Liz Warren can get to the bottom of this!

Posted by: Barky McFuckstick at December 23, 2019 01:42 PM (sWM8x)

177 Like what the Romans did to Hannibal.

Hannibal lived long after Carthage fell, took to being an advisor for various Greekish-states around the Med, especially if they were fighting Romans. Convinced one city-state to arm their ships with vases full of vipers -- throw them onto Roman ships so they break, suddenly snakes on the mother-effing trireme.

He killed himself when he got word his employer had surrendered to Rome and Romans were on their way to his home.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 23, 2019 01:43 PM (ZJ/un)

178 >>Look at what happened in Mexico recently, when the
government had to abandon an Army operation against one of the cartels
because the cartel took captives amongst the soldiers' families. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 23, 2019 01:37 PM (/sgva)

About ten years ago, a Mexican Marine (SEMAR) operation to take down Arturo Beltran Leyva was successful. A SEMAR marine was killed in the operation. Mexican President Calderon gave the man a state funeral; the man's family attended.

Los Zetas sent a hit-team to the funeral. They followed the grieving family home from the funeral and massacred them.

Mexico no longer--to my knowledge--conducts state funerals for those slain in the fight against the cartels.

Posted by: Zod at December 23, 2019 01:43 PM (ZS9TG)

179 Remember, they've gone to 'conspiracy theory' because their previous plan, 'Fake News,' got co-opted to indict them.

Now they call every inconvenient narrative, particularly The Truth, a 'conspiracy theory' to de-legitimize it immediately so they don't have to deal with the allegation.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 23, 2019 01:43 PM (oVJmc)

180 Wasn't that alleged a few weeks ago by other sources?

Posted by: Skip at December 23, 2019 01:43 PM (ZCEU2)

181 By leaked dirt, you mean "Fabricated a phony black ledger and sent it to the state department"

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 23, 2019 01:44 PM (RiGOH)

182 Someone mentioned changing impeachment via amendment to clarify some things.

I am not opposed to that, one thing that should be clarified: In the House, you vote yes or no (no other option, and you MUST vote). In the Senate, you vote to acquit or remove, no other options. Too many people weasle out of it.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 23, 2019 01:44 PM (JRaU+)

183 'You'll shoot your eye out kid!' That gets me every time!

Posted by: Joe Biden: Campaigner at December 23, 2019 01:44 PM (8X42K)

184 Vindman could purchase quite a few doughnuts with that money

Posted by: Avi at December 23, 2019 01:44 PM (kSq2k)

185 I think the other major world power in today's world - China - would rather see the establishment globalists win rather than the Deplorables.

Posted by: josephistan at December 23, 2019 01:40 PM (Izzlo)

Anyone with money to spare- Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc- would see real advantage in sending money and technical knowledge to the deplorables. And that's setting aside the incredible amount of knowledge deplorables have just as a hobby. Never mind professionally.

China could send planeloads of troops here, and it would barely suffice to hold cities where the Chinese have interests. Like the cities on the Pacific. And it would come with catastrophic disadvantage.

Posted by: trev006 at December 23, 2019 01:44 PM (aDkrc)

186 These reporters all talk like the bank president who's family is being held hostage but he can not say anything as he tries to convince rational people not to ask questions.

Many, if not all, of the prominent reporters have relatives in government.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 23, 2019 01:45 PM (ZJ/un)

187 By leaked dirt, you mean "Fabricated a phony black ledger and sent it to the state department"
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 23, 2019 01:44 PM (RiGOH)
+++++++++++
As far as I know, the "black ledger" hasn't been disclosed or confirmed one way or another.

But this is the modern state we're dealing with, so I remain in my default mode of, "it's a damned bald-faced, black-tongued lie unless they provide seriously compelling and comprehensive evidence to the contrary."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:45 PM (I2dne)

188 It will be... horrific.
Posted by: DocJ at December 23, 2019 01:37 PM (77WPm)

That's putting it extremely mildly. I am not sure we can avoid it, but, if it happens, it will be terrible.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto at December 23, 2019 01:45 PM (kXoT0)

189

So when they launder $5 billion through Ukraine, does the receiver get it on a pre-loaded debit card?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 23, 2019 01:45 PM (sy5kK)

190
Then how could they blame Fox News for twisting the mind of the people into supporting Trump?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:41 PM (q80AH)


He's not like the other crazy right wing fanatics on there. "He's a voice of reason." (I actually heard that line about him) Just like they say about Katshit. He's reasonable and not like the extremists in the party

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 23, 2019 01:46 PM (REzVc)

191


Look, Obama had a scandal free administration, everyone knows this!!!

Posted by: Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller, Lesbian at December 23, 2019 01:46 PM (3EujR)

192 191


Look, Obama had a scandal free administration, everyone knows this!!!

Posted by: Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller, Lesbian at December 23, 2019 01:46 PM (3EujR)

========

Don't forget the tan suit.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:46 PM (q80AH)

193 Ah, okay, yes - I have heard of it. I didn't make the connection that you were talking about the national emergency overturn.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:40 PM (I2dne)

Hey, maybe it's an outrage du jour and the President is over it. Given his intense reactions against anything threatening his alpha status, and his very long memory, I still doubt it.

Posted by: trev006 at December 23, 2019 01:46 PM (aDkrc)

194 189




So when they launder $5 billion through Ukraine, does the receiver get it on a pre-loaded debit card?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 23, 2019 01:45 PM (sy5kK)

"Loans" to other countries to "loan" other countries, to pay out as BOD fees, if I understand Giuliani's framework.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 23, 2019 01:47 PM (1CjJc)

195 Apropos - when they take out AoS, where do we go then? What do we do?

Serious question.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 23, 2019 01:47 PM (Y4EXg)

196 Hey, maybe it's an outrage du jour and the President is over it. Given his intense reactions against anything threatening his alpha status, and his very long memory, I still doubt it.
Posted by: trev006 at December 23, 2019 01:46 PM (aDkrc)
++++++++++++
The man deeply understands revenge and views it as a moral imperative.

I think his legions of enemies have forgotten this.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:47 PM (I2dne)

197 hat the living fuck is going to be deployed against an actual militia, if that circumstance ever occurs?
Posted by: kallisto at December 23, 2019 01:37 PM (DJFLF)


The question is now what to deploy, but WHERE to deploy it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:47 PM (78Xqz)

198 The journalists were hung by the chimney with care.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 23, 2019 01:48 PM (qu1px)

199 Here's another Ukraine conspiracy theory that happens to also be true.

A lot of people including western pols were getting rich buying gas in the EU, marking it up with large price hikes and then selling it to Ukraine.

This came about because of the long running disagreement between Russia and Ukraine over pipeline transit costs through Ukraine for Russian oil and gas products and the discounts Ukraine would receive.

This led to the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that was being laid from Russia to Germany via the Baltic Sea. The Russians were doing this to bypass Ukraine altogether and send the products directly to the EU by way of Germany.

Trump has been objecting to this since he took office because it would rob Ukraine of billions in annual transit fees, money they desperately need, and it would give Russia enormous leverage over the EU. The very same EU that whines about the US needing to do more to support NATO which was designed to protect Western Europe from an expansionist Russia while the EU countries don't even meet their basic requirements for NATO participation.

The new Defense bill Trump signed last week called for sanctions on any company participating on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. On Saturday, Allseas, a Swiss construction company that was leading the Nord Stream 2 work stopped all construction because of the sanctions.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 23, 2019 01:48 PM (ZLI7S)

200 195 Apropos - when they take out AoS, where do we go then? What do we do?

Serious question.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 23, 2019 01:47 PM (Y4EXg)
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MoMe's are probably a good place to share other means of communication.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 23, 2019 01:48 PM (oBfF8)

201 I don't understand how - in real life terms - an armed population can win over a government that is equipped with military hardware.

Posted by: kallisto

_________

The entire US Marine Corps is like 186,000 troops.

The population of just Phoenix AZ is like 1.6 million.

They just don't have the numbers to really both defeat and then keep the peace if the entire nation really rose up.

And all the hardware, they can't just level civilian cities, they won't do it to Afghanistan, they aren't to do it to US cities either.

Posted by: Blago at December 23, 2019 01:49 PM (sjTfF)

202 197
hat the living fuck is going to be deployed against an actual militia, if that circumstance ever occurs?

Posted by: kallisto at December 23, 2019 01:37 PM (DJFLF)



The question is now what to deploy, but WHERE to deploy it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:47 PM (78Xqz)

And those resources are kept somewhere, centralized, while sympathetic concerns are dissipated and unknown at least until they decide to act.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 23, 2019 01:49 PM (1CjJc)

203 If they take out AoS the time is near.

Posted by: George at December 23, 2019 01:49 PM (9v1sv)

204 The man deeply understands revenge and views it as a moral imperative.

I think his legions of enemies have forgotten this.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:47 PM (I2dne)
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They're complacent because they're used to their so-called opposition rolling over for them.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 23, 2019 01:49 PM (oBfF8)

205 It will be... horrific.

Posted by: DocJ at December 23, 2019 01:37 PM (77WPm)

And that's just the bullet component. The poisonings, sabotage, terrorism, ethnic cleansing, police states, and sponsored atrocities will be soul chilling. Especially within cities.

Posted by: trev006 at December 23, 2019 01:49 PM (aDkrc)

206 Look, Obama had a scandal free administration, everyone knows this!!!

Posted by: Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller, Lesbian at December 23, 2019 01:46 PM (3EujR)

And a "beautiful gracious wife"...

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto at December 23, 2019 01:49 PM (kXoT0)

207 Los Zetas sent a hit-team to the funeral. They followed the grieving family home from the funeral and massacred them.

Posted by: Zod at December 23, 2019 01:43 PM (ZS9TG)


Now THAT'S playing hard ball, indeed.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:50 PM (78Xqz)

208 >>If they take out AoS the time is near.


Or they didn't check their sideview mirror and just ran the Vespa right off the road?

Posted by: garrett at December 23, 2019 01:50 PM (WuLIo)

209 The new media rule in the age of fascism is simple.
1. If the media goes after anything ti is not a conspiracy but demofascist misinformation.
2. If the media decides it is a conspiracy theory and not worthy of investigation it is a democrat party crime.. several crimes.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserios at December 23, 2019 01:51 PM (pw+jk)

210 This has been pre-debunked!

Posted by: The Fucking Liar Media at December 23, 2019 01:51 PM (Ndje9)

211 Apropos - when they take out AoS, where do we go then? What do we do?

Serious question.



It's a good question. When SHTF who do you know, who do you trust? I don't know anyone. Any groups will be infiltrated.

It will take a long ugly time to sort out and find bands to hook up with.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, going to the mattresses at December 23, 2019 01:51 PM (gd9RK)

212 208 >>If they take out AoS the time is near.


Or they didn't check their sideview mirror and just ran the Vespa right off the road?
Posted by: garrett at December 23, 2019 01:50 PM (WuLIo)

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lol

Posted by: SMH at December 23, 2019 01:51 PM (RU4sa)

213 The new Defense bill Trump signed last week called
for sanctions on any company participating on the Nord Stream 2
pipeline. On Saturday, Allseas, a Swiss construction company that was
leading the Nord Stream 2 work stopped all construction because of the
sanctions.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 23, 2019 01:48 PM (ZLI7S)

Worst Putin's Bitch ever.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 23, 2019 01:52 PM (1CjJc)

214 Los Zetas sent a hit-team to the funeral. They followed the grieving family home from the funeral and massacred them.

Posted by: Zod at December 23, 2019 01:43 PM (ZS9TG)

Now THAT'S playing hard ball, indeed.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:50 PM (78Xqz)


That could never happen here in a civilized society.
That's not who we are!






yet

Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 23, 2019 01:52 PM (z79tQ)

215 207 Los Zetas sent a hit-team to the funeral. They followed the grieving family home from the funeral and massacred them. 

Posted by: Zod at December 23, 2019 01:43 PM (ZS9TG)

Now THAT'S playing hard ball, indeed.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:50 PM (78Xqz)

That's the point I would start going after the cartel's families as well. Two can play that game. If MS-13 thinks they are more savage than white people, just open up any history book that addresses native tribes.

Posted by: trev006 at December 23, 2019 01:52 PM (aDkrc)

216 They're complacent because they're used to their so-called opposition rolling over for them.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 23, 2019 01:49 PM (oBfF

Rmoney, McVain, Bush 43, Dole, Bush 41 would have all resigned by now.

Reagan (first term) would have fought. But I don't even think Ronnie Raygun had Trump's level of fight in him come second term.

Posted by: DocJ at December 23, 2019 01:52 PM (77WPm)

217 They're complacent because they're used to their so-called opposition rolling over for them.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 23, 2019 01:49 PM (oBfF
++++++++++++
I think they may also have goldfish memory. They've been busily attacking on every topic and they probably forgot a lot of what they have done.

I hope Trump hasn't forgotten.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:52 PM (I2dne)

218 Obama told us that he had no scandals during his administration. I believe him because he has no reason to lie about that.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 23, 2019 01:52 PM (RiGOH)

219 Posted by: JackStraw at December 23, 2019 01:48 PM (ZLI7S)


I read the basic bits of that shell game and my head 'sploded.

This whole thing really is a trip through a cesspool in a glass bottom boat.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 23, 2019 01:52 PM (oVJmc)

220 Looks like the jig is up for Obama

Posted by: REDACTED at December 23, 2019 01:52 PM (rpxSz)

221 What has to terrify Congress is that Trump is apparently serious about these scandals, and clearly doesn't care who he exposes. Completely discrediting both parties and abolishing Congress would be a feature to him, not a bug. I'm sure he hasn't forgotten about that Senate resolution against him. I haven't.
Posted by: trev006 at December 23, 2019 01:32 PM (aDkrc)


Trump's biggest "crime" is that he wasn't bought before he announced he was running, and can't be bought now, by Soros, the Progs, the Unions, the GOPe, and on and on. Those outfits have no way to directly influence or control him, and it terrifies them. The usual attacks against a US politician - he's owned by the teachers unions, or Planned Parenthood, or Wall Street, or Big Oil - don't work. So the Dems resorted to saying he's owned by Putin, an accusation that's difficult for Trump to disprove (proving the negative).

Posted by: Gref at December 23, 2019 01:54 PM (AMIL/)

222 When you hear yourself saying aloud, "Wow, AoS is down, the internets are down, it's the End-Times, and someone in the DC suburbs is apparently going BUCK WILD!"
Apotheosis Zod.

Posted by: Zod at December 23, 2019 01:54 PM (ZS9TG)

223 220 Looks like the jig is up for Obama
Posted by: REDACTED at December 23, 2019 01:52 PM (rpxSz)

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I guess that's why he's gonna endorse Warren.

If he's going down, he might as well take the whole Democratic Party down with him.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:54 PM (q80AH)

224 >> Looks like the jig is up for Obama


He hasn't been able to get me hard in years.

Posted by: Michele Obama's Holiday Landing Strip at December 23, 2019 01:54 PM (WuLIo)

225 The new media rule in the age of fascism is simple.
1. If the media goes after anything ti is not a conspiracy but demofascist misinformation.
2. If the media decides it is a conspiracy theory and not worthy of investigation it is a democrat party crime.. several crimes.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserios at December 23, 2019 01:51 PM (pw+jk)

Everything within the state.
Nothing outside the state.
Nothing against the state.

Yep, they're pretty-much following Mussolini's playbook to the letter.

Posted by: DocJ at December 23, 2019 01:54 PM (77WPm)

226 Jack Straw is a actually a government mole gathering intel on the horde.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 23, 2019 01:54 PM (RiGOH)

227 Looks like the jig is up for Obama
Posted by: REDACTED at December 23, 2019 01:52 PM (rpxSz)
++++++++++
I'm one of the eeyores, but I try to be reasonable about it. I think no one important gets punished in any meaningful way. I would love to be wrong and some of the news this month makes me think that I might be. Not enough to start laying wagers, but there have been some "green shoots."

I will a lay a wager, though, that Obama remains untouched. He will never, ever, go down for any reason. If it even looks like he might be in-scope, we ain't seen nothing yet on deep state perfidy.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:54 PM (I2dne)

228 Looks like the jig is up for Obama


And gone!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 23, 2019 01:55 PM (oVJmc)

229 Barky said no but really ment " you'll never catch us"

Posted by: Skip at December 23, 2019 01:55 PM (ZCEU2)

230 206 Look, Obama had a scandal free administration, everyone knows this!!!

Posted by: Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller, Lesbian at December 23, 2019 01:46 PM (3EujR)

And a "beautiful gracious wife"...
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto at December 23, 2019 01:49 PM (kXoT0)


And she was a great pass rusher, as Joe Theismann can attest.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:55 PM (78Xqz)

231 >>I read the basic bits of that shell game and my head 'sploded.

>>This whole thing really is a trip through a cesspool in a glass bottom boat.

It's a long and tangled web between Russia and Ukraine but just as in the Middle East a lot of what is going on is dictated by the desire of regimes like Russia and Iran to get their oil and gas products to market and increase their dominance. It is by far the most lucrative export these countries have and their survival depends on it.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 23, 2019 01:55 PM (ZLI7S)

232 Look people. Everything was done 'By the Book'.

Obama was quite clear on that.

Posted by: garrett at December 23, 2019 01:56 PM (WuLIo)

233 He hasn't been able to get me hard in years.
Posted by: Michele Obama's Holiday Landing Strip at December 23, 2019 01:54 PM (WuLIo)


Bammy gets jiggy with the hangdown

Posted by: REDACTED at December 23, 2019 01:56 PM (rpxSz)

234 Anyway, I always used to wonder when these discussions came up: The government always will enjoy the advantage of superior hardware. The only thing we have in our favor now is a friendly Presidential Administration. I don't understand how - in real life terms - an armed population can win over a government that is equipped with military hardware.
Posted by: kallisto at December 23, 2019 01:29 PM


Marion Francis knew how. The Afghanis, among others, know today.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at December 23, 2019 01:56 PM (kXK2e)

235
The new Defense bill Trump signed last week called for sanctions on any company participating on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

Just encouraging Europe to switch to 100% renewables for its energy needs.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 23, 2019 01:56 PM (YCIfH)

236 113 So the Ukraine, before Trump's inauguration, was the place to send US taxpayer treasure for laundering? Laundering money on a titanic scale? Untraceable? With the vig being used to fund Democrat campaigns? That Ukraine?
Posted by: mrp at December 23, 2019 01:30 PM (Pqytn)


It sure explains the utter nonsense the Democrats and their owners in Progda have been pushing the last 3 years.

Yes, owners.

The modern Democrat party members are essentially farm animals of PROGressive propaganDA.

Farm animals. Ukraine is how they are fed.

When you start with this premise, it starts to make sense rather quickly.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 23, 2019 01:56 PM (sy5kK)

237 227 I will a lay a wager, though, that Obama remains untouched. He will never, ever, go down for any reason. If it even looks like he might be in-scope, we ain't seen nothing yet on deep state perfidy.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:54 PM (I2dne)

==========

Theory:

Trump doesn't care about norms or anything other than winning, and in his mind taking down Obama is winning.

Trump wants the big fish because he knows that his Diet Coke will taste extra bubbly afterwards.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:56 PM (q80AH)

238 I will a lay a wager, though, that Obama remains untouched. He will never, ever, go down for any reason.



I'll take that bet!

Posted by: Reggie at December 23, 2019 01:56 PM (z79tQ)

239 That could never happen here in a civilized society.
That's not who we are!






yet
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 23, 2019 01:52 PM (z79tQ)

We are allowing Antifa to put on masks and beat citizens senseless for the crime of taking a wrong turn on a Portland street and impinging on an Antifa mob. It is illegal to prance around the streets in masks never mind the violence and mayhem, yet, Antifa does it with near perfect impunity.

Ima bet Antifa suffers H-E-A-V-Y losses during the first week. Same for the urban gangs that terrorize their neighborhoods.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto at December 23, 2019 01:56 PM (kXoT0)

240 Star Wars was right in my wheelhouse - I was 10 when the original came out. Saw "The Last Rise of Skywalker" or whatever this weekend and about an hour through I was ready for the whole thing to be done. Enough - I gave no shits about anyone on the screen, especially Rey and Lena Dunham's boyfriend.

Posted by: jhawk90 at December 23, 2019 01:56 PM (/ZYFC)

241 Marion Francis knew how. The Afghanis, among others, know today.
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at December 23, 2019 01:56 PM (kXK2e)

---

And numerous factions in Iraq.

Posted by: SMH at December 23, 2019 01:57 PM (RU4sa)

242 ... regimes like Russia and Iran to get their oil and gas products to market and increase their dominance. It is by far the most lucrative export these countries have and their survival depends on it.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 23, 2019 01:55 PM (ZLI7S)
+++++++++++++
Puts a lot of the "climate-change" legislation designed to cripple our oil and gas exploitation and transportation systems into a perspective, don't it?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:57 PM (I2dne)

243 231 >>I read the basic bits of that shell game and my head 'sploded.

>>This whole thing really is a trip through a cesspool in a glass bottom boat.

It's a long and tangled web between Russia and Ukraine but just as in the Middle East a lot of what is going on is dictated by the desire of regimes like Russia and Iran to get their oil and gas products to market and increase their dominance. It is by far the most lucrative export these countries have and their survival depends on it.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 23, 2019 01:55 PM (ZLI7S)

=========

So, you're saying that an American who would want to help these countries would work to minimize American energy production in order to help keep prices high.

By doing things like banning fracking and off shore oil drilling?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:57 PM (q80AH)

244 ...He will never, ever, go down for any reason...
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:54 PM (I2dne)

I beg to differ.

Posted by: Reggie Love at December 23, 2019 01:57 PM (qu1px)

245 The Mexican government is now the public face of the cartels. Mexico is owned and operated by the cartels.

Posted by: George at December 23, 2019 01:58 PM (9v1sv)

246 I'm off to another DC partay! Sucks to be you guys!

--- Chrissy Pursed Mouth Wallace (my wife wrote a cookbook about soup!)

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 23, 2019 01:58 PM (ptqGC)

247 Theory:

Trump doesn't care about norms or anything other than winning, and in his mind taking down Obama is winning.

Trump wants the big fish because he knows that his Diet Coke will taste extra bubbly afterwards.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:56 PM (q80AH)
+++++++++++++
Trump would destroy Obama, sure. I'm not saying that Obama skating is going to be because Trump mandates it.

If Obama is threatened by this storm, everything we have seen to date in this massive conspiracy will be tame by comparison.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:58 PM (I2dne)

248 226 Jack Straw is a actually a government mole gathering intel on the horde.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 23, 2019 01:54 PM (RiGOH)


What a waste of time and energy.


That's Bob from NSA's job.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 23, 2019 01:58 PM (sy5kK)

249 "Looks like the jig is up for Obama"

I thought he was more of a hornpipe kind of guy.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at December 23, 2019 01:58 PM (gagly)

250
The Ukraine revolution of 2014 was not a revolution. It was a carefully engineered coup intended to install a more pro-western government that could be controlled by DC and like minded foreign pols. 

It's not a conspiracy theory if it happens to be true.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 23, 2019 01:35 PM (ZLI7S)





Here's the most depressing thing. Apparently, the Putin-aligned government was LESS corrupt than the revolutionaries.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 23, 2019 01:59 PM (1q+Wv)

251
It's a long and tangled web between Russia and Ukraine but just as in the Middle East a lot of what is going on is dictated by the desire of regimes like Russia and Iran to get their oil and gas products to market and increase their dominance. It is by far the most lucrative export these countries have and their survival depends on it.



Western pols sell oil to Ukraine at inflated prices, then send taxpayer money as 'aid,' so that's really money laundering as well, isn't it? The fact that we've run up $22T in debt with things like this going on really doesn't seem all that remarkable now, does it?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 23, 2019 01:59 PM (oVJmc)

252 247 Trump would destroy Obama, sure. I'm not saying that Obama skating is going to be because Trump mandates it.

If Obama is threatened by this storm, everything we have seen to date in this massive conspiracy will be tame by comparison.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:58 PM (I2dne)

===========

Valerie Jarrett would happily throw him under the bus, and since she's the actual power behind him, the real criminal would go unpunished.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:59 PM (q80AH)

253 That's Bob from NSA's job.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 23, 2019 01:58 PM (sy5kK)
+++++++++++++
Theory: Bob from NSA and Cannibal Bob are the same person. He uses his surveillance database to identify the best meals.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:59 PM (I2dne)

254 If Obama is threatened by this storm, everything we have seen to date in this massive conspiracy will be tame by comparison.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:58 PM (I2dne)


I don't think any of us want to see Barry's little fists of rage. Or Mooch's.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 23, 2019 01:59 PM (ptqGC)

255 226 Jack Straw is a actually a government mole gathering intel on the horde.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 23, 2019 01:54 PM (RiGOH)


Sounds half-baked.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 23, 2019 01:59 PM (1CjJc)

256 248 226 Jack Straw is a actually a government mole gathering intel on the horde.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 23, 2019 01:54 PM (RiGOH)


What a waste of time and energy.


That's Bob from NSA's job.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 23, 2019 01:58 PM (sy5kK)

==========

Typical government overlap.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:59 PM (q80AH)

257
What a waste of time and energy.


That's Bob from NSA's job.


It is classic misdirection. They are in it together. But you can't ask them because they will deny it.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 23, 2019 02:00 PM (RiGOH)

258 Accused Yeshiva University arsonist busted again after being set free

Again.

https://tinyurl.com/qpdjv7t

Posted by: SMH at December 23, 2019 02:00 PM (RU4sa)

259 >>Chris Wallace
Deck the halls with bowels of Wally.
Falalalala, lalalala.

Posted by: Zod at December 23, 2019 02:00 PM (qXNVo)

260 "Trump has been objecting to this since he took office because it would
rob Ukraine of billions in annual transit fees, money they desperately
need, and it would give Russia enormous leverage over the EU." jack straw

that link of the Ukrainian guy, disclosing the scam, also said the powers were squashing Ukrainian production, because that forced the Ukrainian public to buy more imported gas, at the marked up price (with the mark up going as bribes to the nefarious sources .. I presume like Biden, and he states the Clinton campaign specifically)

I'm not sure where Barisma fit into that particular scam ... afaik they operate in Ukraine, but this particular scam was laundering the nat gas as "European" when it was really just "laundered" through Europe.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 23, 2019 02:00 PM (Cus5s)

261 Valerie Jarrett would happily throw him under the bus, and since she's the actual power behind him, the real criminal would go unpunished.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:59 PM (q80AH)
++++++++++
Same for Jarett. If you're getting to real inner-circle power players, the knives come out. Probably literally.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 02:00 PM (I2dne)

262 Secret Service told us to ignore the shouting coming from inside the house. We unloaded both trucks in the driveway and split.

Posted by: Chappaqua Wine and Spirit Co. at December 23, 2019 02:00 PM (8X42K)

263 261 Valerie Jarrett would happily throw him under the bus, and since she's the actual power behind him, the real criminal would go unpunished.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:59 PM (q80AH)
++++++++++
Same for Jarett. If you're getting to real inner-circle power players, the knives come out. Probably literally.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 02:00 PM (I2dne)

==========

Imagine Antifa being directed to take out certain high level elements of the Democratic Party...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 02:00 PM (q80AH)

264 If the price of oil is elevated they make money.
If the price of oil is lowered they can't make a profit.

Posted by: George at December 23, 2019 02:00 PM (9v1sv)

265

Farm animals. Ukraine is how they are fed.



I expect there are other scams doing the exact same thing, Ukraine's just become the eastern European European branch office.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 23, 2019 02:01 PM (oVJmc)

266 256 248 226 Jack Straw is a actually a government mole gathering intel on the horde.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 23, 2019 01:54 PM (RiGOH)


What a waste of time and energy.


That's Bob from NSA's job.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 23, 2019 01:58 PM (sy5kK)

==========

Typical government overlap.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:59 PM (q80AH)

So now we just need to figure out who the ten other agents are.

Posted by: Someguy at December 23, 2019 02:01 PM (ii3sZ)

267 Imagine Antifa being directed to take out certain high level elements of the Democratic Party...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 02:00 PM (q80AH)
+++++++++++++
I very much doubt it.

They'll just assassinate the president.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 02:01 PM (I2dne)

268 >>So, you're saying that an American who would want to help these countries would work to minimize American energy production in order to help keep prices high.

>>By doing things like banning fracking and off shore oil drilling?

One of the chief beneficiaries of Ukraine political donations was Senator Ed Markey of MA. AOC got most of the publicity but Markey is largely responsible for the New Green Deal idiocy.

And yet he was a big proponent of not just foreign aid to Ukraine but aid specifically targeted to plans and companies supposedly working on Ukraine domestic oil and gas development.

Mr New Green Deal fully supports Ukraine developing their oil and gas industry. He just doesn't want us to do it.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 23, 2019 02:01 PM (ZLI7S)

269 We are allowing Antifa to put on masks and beat citizens senseless for the crime of taking a wrong turn on a Portland street and impinging on an Antifa mob. It is illegal to prance around the streets in masks never mind the violence and mayhem, yet, Antifa does it with near perfect impunity.

Antifa was allowed to shoot at an occupied car, after carrying their concealed firearms into a bar.

In Portland.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 23, 2019 02:01 PM (ZJ/un)

270 legalinsurrection.com/mcconnell-do you think chuck schumer is impartial? so lets quit the charade on impeachment

Posted by: Skip at December 23, 2019 02:02 PM (ZCEU2)

271 Does anyone else get the feeling that this is Team Trump prepping the battle-space for the launch of their counter-attack against the Deep State and their media and political lapdogs come around the time the primaries get started?

Posted by: DocJ at December 23, 2019 02:02 PM (77WPm)

272 Well Rudy was right about Cloward -Piven and he was sounding the alarm for quite a long time.

From back in 2008 the American Thinker article:

https://tinyurl.com/tdok6l5

The vast expansion of welfare in New York City that came after the NWRO's Cloward-Piven tactics sent the city into bankruptcy in 1975. RUDY GIULIANI cited Cloward-Piven by name as being responsible for an "effort at economic sabotage." He also credited Cloward-Piven with changing the cultural attitude toward welfare from that of a temporary expedient to a lifetime entitlement, an attitude which in-and-of itself has caused perhaps the greatest damage of all.

Posted by: redridinghood at December 23, 2019 02:02 PM (wiXsO)

273 Pretty sure JackStraw works for the CIA. Involved in some scheme where they ship Lobsters from Rhode Island to the Nicaraguan Pot Cartels for Brownies and pictures of young Alpaccas in various stages of being shorn.

Posted by: garrett at December 23, 2019 02:02 PM (WuLIo)

274 26 Might be time for Coach to ask Rudy to sit out a few plays.
He's like a soccer player on an NFL field--he may be well-intentioned, and he may accidentally score a touchdown, and the fans may love his elan, but it's possible that he's in the main more entertaining than functional, and maybe even counterproductive.
Posted by: Zod at December 23, 2019 01:16 PM (ZS9TG)


Or maybe Rudy is over the target and the Democrat/Progda flak is pounding at him overtime.

Given the choice of believing Rudy or Progda, I would choose Rudy every day and twice on Sunday.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 23, 2019 02:02 PM (sy5kK)

275 I don't understand how - in real life terms - an armed population can
win over a government that is equipped with military hardware.

***

In order to function, a government has to present order. Which means having people who are part of the government out in public - police, soldiers, at least local level politicians/bureaucrats if not higher level ones (they can hide behind walls).


A resistance movement doesn't have to have ANY regular public appearance.


This dichotomy means that the resistance movement can hide until it has a government target it wants...and then kill/kidnap that person.


So if you look at the early stages of a bunch of those dirty wars in Latin America, the resistance starts killing cops, soldiers, mayors, etc. The resistance doesn't need the level of military might the government has - compare Castro's forces with Batista's in 1952..but it does have to have a commitment to be willing to kill and die for its cause or leader...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 23, 2019 02:02 PM (WdocV)

276 Does anyone else get the feeling that this is Team Trump prepping the battle-space for the launch of their counter-attack against the Deep State and their media and political lapdogs come around the time the primaries get started?
Posted by: DocJ at December 23, 2019 02:02 PM (77WPm)
++++++++++++++
I desperately hope so. It does seem to be ramping up, but the deep state is still deep stating on all cylinders.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 02:02 PM (I2dne)

277 What the hey does investigating the fraudulent use of US Aid money have to do with election meddling? To announce that it couldn't be fraud unless there is also election meddling is digging to new depths of asininity.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at December 23, 2019 02:02 PM (17+9D)

278 I still exist you know!

Posted by: Chrissy Matthews at December 23, 2019 02:03 PM (BDZWU)

279 95 D-Lamp was before his time.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 23, 2019 01:21 PM (78Xqz)


Not really. But he did say it out loud sooo...
Some of us just keep our verboten thoughts off the web sites we want to stay at.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 23, 2019 01:27 PM (z79tQ)



D-Lamp was a little pussy bitch. He was using ace's website to call on people to commit violence. Other people to commit violence of course, not himself because see he wasn't going to be the one assaulting reporters. If you think he was so right I sure don't see you repeating what he said. I mean he was right wasn't he? And so many want to give him martyr status. So why not take up his mantle? You know being a little bitch and demanding others do what you yourself are too much of a pussy to do.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 23, 2019 02:03 PM (IUxk6)

280
Obama would plead "mentally incompetent". He would be right.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 23, 2019 02:03 PM (YCIfH)

281 Bing and Ella singing Silver Bells. Brownies are frosted and the
laundry is done. Presents all wrapped and hubbymayhem is gonna be out overnight. Oh well, win some, lose some. Happy Christmas everbody!

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at December 23, 2019 02:03 PM (myjNJ)

282 Anyway, I always used to wonder when these discussions came up: The government always will enjoy the advantage of superior hardware. The only thing we have in our favor now is a friendly Presidential Administration. I don't understand how - in real life terms - an armed population can win over a government that is equipped with military hardware.
Posted by: kallisto at December 23, 2019 01:29 PM


In a straight up fight, yes, the government has the advantage. But the problem is that they cannot be everywhere at once. There aren't enough tanks to put one in every town, let alone enough to do any good, or enough troops to pacify the whole country. And a lot of that technological advantage that the government has relies on an infrastructure that won't exist.

It's hard to move your tanks and vehicles when fuel supplies are blown up. It's hard to conduct constant air operations when your runways are being mortared and rocketed on a daily basis. It's hard to conduct any operations when your personnel are at risk from a sniper or an ambush. We saw this day in and day out in Afghanistan and Iraq. It would be ten times worse here, in a country where your average state U engineering department could build plans for advanced anti-tank weapons and plenty of people keep what amounts to advanced machine shops in their garages.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at December 23, 2019 02:03 PM (wCmLp)

283 So VJ is a power top

Posted by: REDACTED at December 23, 2019 02:03 PM (rpxSz)

284 >>Sounds half-baked.


Guy is a Government trained, stoned cold killer.

Posted by: garrett at December 23, 2019 02:03 PM (WuLIo)

285 Trump doesn't care about norms or anything other than winning, and in his mind taking down Obama is winning.

Trump wants the big fish because he knows that his Diet Coke will taste extra bubbly afterwards.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:

Maybe but I think the black vote would disappear so he wont do it until after the election IMHO

Posted by: MAC SOG'''' at December 23, 2019 02:03 PM (P4Pk9)

286 That's Bob from NSA's job.

___

As long as that Ace of Spuds guy keeps posting accidental porn links, it is all good.

Posted by: Bob from the NSA at December 23, 2019 02:04 PM (WdocV)

287 >>In Portland. Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 23, 2019 02:01 PM (ZJ/un)

Trump National Zoo, Portland Facility.

Towers, bobwire, mines, industrial-mastic-human-flypaper-array, searchlights, speakers, "Red Rubber Ball" by Cyrkle on continuous play. Gruel.


Some assembly required.

Posted by: Zod at December 23, 2019 02:04 PM (ZS9TG)

288 If the skin texture of Pelosi's face resembles that of my scrotum in between Botox treatments then if I gave my scrotum a Botox treatment would it look like Nancy Pelosi?

Posted by: R. DUKE at December 23, 2019 02:04 PM (CuV5q)

289 Doing some stuff on ancestry.com, turns out I have 2 relatives named Napoleon on different sides of my family - one in my father's, one in my mother's, and born in 1863 and 1864.

I guess it was popular during the Civil War to name children Napoleon. Oh, one was North, one South.

(The Southern one was Napoleon "Bone" Mizell, the subject of Frederic Remington's drawing, The Original Florida Cracker.)

Posted by: blaster at December 23, 2019 02:04 PM (9VeU0)

290 Nood. Star Wars movie, without nudity.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 23, 2019 02:05 PM (u82oZ)

291 Mr New Green Deal fully supports Ukraine developing their oil and gas industry. He just doesn't want us to do it.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 23, 2019 02:01 PM (ZLI7S)

I wonder if Rep. Joe "The Drooler" Kennedy III is smart-enough to bring this up during the primary against Sen. IceCreamMan. Doubtful, I suppose.

Posted by: DocJ at December 23, 2019 02:06 PM (77WPm)

292 D-Lamp was a little pussy bitch. He was using ace's website to call on people to commit violence. Other people to commit violence of course, not himself because see he wasn't going to be the one assaulting reporters. If you think he was so right I sure don't see you repeating what he said. I mean he was right wasn't he? And so many want to give him martyr status. So why not take up his mantle? You know being a little bitch and demanding others do what you yourself are too much of a pussy to do.
Posted by: Buzzion at December 23, 2019 02:03 PM (IUxk6)


Look at the dead guy getting all uppity.

Posted by: blaster at December 23, 2019 02:06 PM (9VeU0)

293 Let's not forget the chow thief Vindman. He's still being lauded as a hero by the left.

Funny how no one, not even Fox, mentions how his CO called him out for trashing Americans overseas.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 23, 2019 02:06 PM (ptqGC)

294 >>I wonder if Rep. Joe "The Drooler" Kennedy III is smart-enough to bring this up during the primary against Sen. IceCreamMan. Doubtful, I suppose.

I doubt it too. Way too much money flowing to powerful politicians.

It is going to take someone like Trump with the help of people like Rudy to expose it.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 23, 2019 02:07 PM (ZLI7S)

295
Valerie Jarrett would happily throw him under the bus, and since she's the actual power behind him, the real criminal would go unpunished.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, source of random movie thoughts at December 23, 2019 01:59 PM (q80AH)


TJM nails it. In baseball, this is called "The Grand Slam".

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 23, 2019 02:08 PM (sy5kK)

296 Ima bet Antifa suffers H-E-A-V-Y losses during the first week. Same for the urban gangs that terrorize their neighborhoods.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto at December 23, 2019 01:56 PM (kXoT0)


Pencil-Necked misfits and drug abusers, if the mug shots are any indicator. They'll be nowhere to be found if things go bad. They only exist now because Normals can work their lives around them without inconvenience.

Posted by: Reggie at December 23, 2019 02:08 PM (z79tQ)

297 There was a Napoleon in my fam too. Middle name? Bonaparte of course.

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at December 23, 2019 02:10 PM (myjNJ)

298 Imagine Antifa being directed to take out certain high level elements of the Democratic Party...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

---

And all outlets blaming "right-wing" racists and neo-cons, whatever that is.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 23, 2019 02:11 PM (Y4EXg)

299 I have an ancestor (from Baltimore) who married Napoleon's brother, Jerome. They had a son. Then Napoleon forced his brother to divorce my ancestor and marry a French woman.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 23, 2019 02:12 PM (ptqGC)

300 My theory is that Russia was just trying to f--k s--t up. The little intervening they did was only to make the county ungovernable for Hillary.

Ukraine meanwhile sees the US as a necessary counter to Russia and was desperate to do whatever TFG people wanted. They needed the cash, but also they needed the backing since the EU (Germany) kicked them under the bus long ago. This meant lots of kickbacks to TFGs crew, as well as the NGOs TFG wanted to fund. It also meant using whatever they had to make sure Hillary won since she was already bought and DJT was at best an unknown, but possibly even hostile to foreign entanglements.

So Ukraine was actually the country intervening, and being Ukrainian, behind every rock they saw a Russian. They were trying to help their friends in the TFG crime syndicate by supporting the whole "collusion" story.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at December 23, 2019 02:16 PM (LWu6U)

301 Jane D'oh., This is me buzzing around doing a big happy dance. Thank You so very, verymuch.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 23, 2019 02:32 PM (30ckL)

302 7 How does Chris Wallace know which single sources to put all of his trust in, and which to disregard as "conspiracy theorizing"?

Cocktail parties. That was the last thread.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 23, 2019 01:11 PM (I2dne)
**************
Bar talk for the win.

Posted by: torabora at December 23, 2019 02:45 PM (Y274z)

303 They started getting hinky over this whole aid thing. And since projection tells us what the Dems are up to, we should investigate the bank accounts of our employees over there.

In fact, any time a Dem says a republican did something wrong, there's a 90% chance the accuser is guilty of that action.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 23, 2019 02:47 PM (+P7VR)

304 Didn't Glenn Beck point this out in his blackboard special?

Posted by: Jaimo at December 23, 2019 02:58 PM (/Kt3K)

305 Fiona Hill also said that the Steele Dossier was most likely "Kremlin disinformation" designed to cause disruption in our political system. Funny how that part never gets brought up.

Posted by: Gman at December 23, 2019 03:05 PM (Cs8gR)

306 Fiona Hill is an ex board member of Open Society.

She'll spout whatever Daddy Soros tells her to.

Posted by: Flubber at December 23, 2019 06:22 PM (PQnIX)

307 271 Does anyone else get the feeling that this is Team Trump prepping the battle-space for the launch of their counter-attack against the Deep State and their media and political lapdogs come around the time the primaries get started?
Posted by: DocJ at December 23, 2019 02:02 PM (77WPm)

Yes, and I think the Senate trial is going to be part of the strategery.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 23, 2019 07:15 PM (1BDgs)

308 Chris Wallace is a CNN mole in the Fox News organization.

Posted by: Steven Browning at December 23, 2019 09:59 PM (0YZ6P)

309 Exactly! You said it with flair. 3 years of phony investigations but try getting media to check on something that doesn't bode well for Dems ---"conspiracy"!! No can do.

Posted by: Arlene at December 23, 2019 11:11 PM (s1G6G)

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