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Sunni Insurgents Rout Iraqi Army at Mosul, Capturing Iraq's Second-Largest City, and Huge Cache of US-Supplied Arms
Obama notoriously failed to negotiate a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) with the government of Iraq. Keeping a ready reserve of US troops to assist the Iraqi Army -- not join them in patrolling, but assist them in major actions -- would have helped us keep the gains we'd made there.
But Obama wanted out.Anbar province, the region of Iraq that 1,300 American soldiers died pacifying, is at risk of being taken over by al Qaeda jihadists and their affiliate, the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant. Fighting between Iraqi government forces and the jihadists is currently going on in Ramadi and Fallujah, the latter city the site in 2004 of the bloodiest battle of the Iraq War. If the Iraqi government fails to retake the city and push back against the jihadist “al Qaedastan” fiefdom now forming in eastern Iraq and western Syria, the American hard-fought victory in Fallujah will be the emblem of how once again an incompetent administration snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, with repercussions for the whole region.
Mosul, located not in Anbar but the the northern province of Ninevah (bordering on the Kurd-dominated far north), has now fallen.
Islamic militants overran parts of Iraq's second-largest city of Mosul on Tuesday, driving security forces from their posts and seizing the provincial government headquarters, security bases and other key buildings. Gunmen cruised through neighborhoods, waving black banners while residents fled. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki pressed parliament to declare a state of emergency. The fight for Mosul was a heavy defeat in Baghdad's battle against a widening insurgency by a breakaway al Qaeda group, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, which has been trying - with some success - to seize territory both in Iraq and neighboring Syria. ...They say that the Al Qaeda-linked insurgents are now eyeing an assault on the province just north of Baghdad. More good news: Mosul is hugely important as far as oil production and export, and the Sunni insurgents are allied with the Syrian insurgents (aka the Al Qaeda forces we nearly went to war for).
On Tuesday, Mosul residents said the militants appeared to be in control of several parts of the city, raising the black banners that are the emblem of the Islamic State. ... "What happened is a disaster by any standard," [parliament speaker Osama al-Nujaifi] said. "The presence of these terrorist groups in this vast province ... threatens not just the security and the unity of Iraq, but the whole Middle East."
The rout in Mosul, the second-largest Iraqi city after Baghdad and an important center of the country’s petroleum industry, was breathtaking in its speed and appeared to take government officials by surprise, not to mention residents of the city and surrounding Nineveh Province. A major humiliation for the government forces in Iraq’s Sunni-dominated areas, the defeat also reflected the stamina of the Sunni insurgency, which has been growing with the war in neighboring Syria.Here's some more good news: The Sunni insurgents captured large caches of American weapons, which are now essentially in Al Qaeda hands.
The insurgent fighters who routed the Iraqi army out of Mosul on Tuesday did not just capture much of Iraq’s second-largest city. They also gained a windfall of arms, munitions and equipment abandoned by the soldiers as they fled — arms that were supplied by the United States and intended to give the troops an edge over the insurgents.Despite Obama's bungling here, I'm not sure that fighting for a Shiite-dominated, artificial-borders-intact Iraq makes great sense. The state of Iraq is obviously a fiction. The ethnicities will not accept a government except that controlled by their own tribesmen. If the state cannot remain intact, it should not exist, and a negotiated peace, ceding Sunnis their own smaller state (and, hopefully, giving the Kurds their own state as well) is probably the only stable solution. Thanks to @comradearthur. On the Politics: This is a dangerous topic for the GOP, because they will naturally argue we should be part of this fight, and the American public is strongly against that. Conjuring images of a GOP foreign policy in which America's best and bravest are back patrolling the streets of f*cking Fallujah is a guaranteed loss in 2016. To the extent the GOP talks about military involvement here, they must talk only of intelligence, surveillance, bombing, drones, and massed tanks and artillery. Long-distance or heavily-armored stuff, and definitely not American infantry doing the jobs that Vietnam boys, I mean Shiite Iraqi boys, should be doing themselves.
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"Heckuva job Brownie!" G Bush
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 10, 2014 02:44 PM (o3MSL)
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Obama doesn't care about brown people.
Seriously, he doesn't. All just pawns in his little chess game.
Seriously, he doesn't. All just pawns in his little chess game.
Posted by: AmishDude at June 10, 2014 02:46 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: John McCain at June 10, 2014 02:46 PM (xKIE3)
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Obligatory: Stuck between Iraq and a hard place.
Posted by: S. Muldoon at June 10, 2014 02:46 PM (lHb9q)
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If the state cannot remain intact, it should not exist, and a negotiated peace, ceding Sunnis their own smaller state (and, hopefully, giving the Kurds their own state as well) is probably the only stable solution.
Or we could just let them all slaughter each other.
We spent blood and treasure attempting to haul Iraq into the 16th century.
Let them slaughter each other.
I no longer care.
Or we could just let them all slaughter each other.
We spent blood and treasure attempting to haul Iraq into the 16th century.
Let them slaughter each other.
I no longer care.
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at June 10, 2014 02:46 PM (mf5HN)
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DAMN YOU HAGEL!!!!!!
Posted by: Doctor Wut? at June 10, 2014 02:48 PM (fTbFx)
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This is interesting and everything, but it's not getting my EBT card processed any faster. Chop, chop.
Posted by: Guatemalan Proclaimers at June 10, 2014 02:49 PM (ZPrif)
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Sorry.
Posted by: C. Hagel at June 10, 2014 02:49 PM (Ua6T/)
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Why is it that arabs are either completely fucking retarded or crafty bastards when it comes to fighting? There doesn't seem to be any inbetween.
Posted by: EC at June 10, 2014 02:49 PM (GQ8sn)
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wow, can't keep track of all of the freaking fail from this admin, but i think that's by design.
at this point what differ...... ahh screw it!
at this point what differ...... ahh screw it!
Posted by: spypeach is sick of this shit at June 10, 2014 02:49 PM (10H0T)
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Despite Obama's bungling here, I'm not sure that fighting for a Shiite-dominated, artificial-borders-intact Iraq makes great sense. The state of Iraq is obviously a fiction. The ethnicities will not accept a government except that controlled by their own tribesmen.
If the state cannot remain intact, it should not exist, and a negotiated peace, ceding Sunnis their own smaller state (and, hopefully, giving the Kurds their own state as well) is probably the only stable solution
>>>>So.....the Biden plan then?
If the state cannot remain intact, it should not exist, and a negotiated peace, ceding Sunnis their own smaller state (and, hopefully, giving the Kurds their own state as well) is probably the only stable solution
>>>>So.....the Biden plan then?
Posted by: taylork at June 10, 2014 02:49 PM (i1B3X)
Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at June 10, 2014 02:49 PM (reJQl)
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It's one failure after another for this "administration", are they even trying?
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 10, 2014 02:50 PM (5UteM)
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soooo Biden was right?
Posted by: Reality Man at June 10, 2014 02:50 PM (obXkJ)
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Will you quit interrupting me? I'm trying to concentrate here playing this game of eleven dimensional chess against Valerie.
Posted by: Barack Obama at June 10, 2014 02:50 PM (EAFgo)
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We never should have stayed as long as we did anyways. I'm glad we are out. Even though Obama did it for the wrong reasons, getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan are the right objectives. We can't stay there forever propping them up. Kill them when they are a threat and let them kill each other when they aren't.
Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at June 10, 2014 02:50 PM (crkWb)
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I don't care either...up to the point that the Kurds are threatened by this shit.
If the Peshmerga are indeed rolling toward Mosul, I wish them good hunting.
If the Peshmerga are indeed rolling toward Mosul, I wish them good hunting.
Posted by: Jaws at June 10, 2014 02:50 PM (eKZp1)
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The only solution is comprehensive immigration reform coupled with a substantial carbon tax and possibly high speed rail initiatives.
And did you see, Kim and Kanye got married?
And did you see, Kim and Kanye got married?
Posted by: Kreplach at June 10, 2014 02:50 PM (aaMR2)
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Most of the Middle East is a fiction, one we have wasted too many lives, too much money, and too many weapons to prop up.
Let the Muzzies set up their own states, on their own, and do whatever they hell they want to do to each other, without any support from us. The Russians can try to help them out again, if they want to go through another collapse like the one they enjoyed when the USSR caved in.
Only one rule: if the Muzzies try to export their uncivilized ways, or attack anyone their religion tells them to fight -- e.g. the Jews -- we should then move in, offering neither mercy nor "rebuilding" aid. And then leave.
Let them be masters of their own destiny. And no one else's.
Let the Muzzies set up their own states, on their own, and do whatever they hell they want to do to each other, without any support from us. The Russians can try to help them out again, if they want to go through another collapse like the one they enjoyed when the USSR caved in.
Only one rule: if the Muzzies try to export their uncivilized ways, or attack anyone their religion tells them to fight -- e.g. the Jews -- we should then move in, offering neither mercy nor "rebuilding" aid. And then leave.
Let them be masters of their own destiny. And no one else's.
Posted by: MrScribbler at June 10, 2014 02:50 PM (dDzOj)
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>>>
>>>>So.....the Biden plan then?
people always say that as if Biden's proposing it automatically makes it wrong.
Even an idiot can tell when it's noon.
>>>>So.....the Biden plan then?
people always say that as if Biden's proposing it automatically makes it wrong.
Even an idiot can tell when it's noon.
Posted by: ace at June 10, 2014 02:51 PM (/FnUH)
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This was completely expected. All gains were for naught. We can just blame Bush, but that is just naivete. It didn't have to turn out this way. But I doubt there is much desire to pay for the same real estate twice. We should have just kept it the first time.
Posted by: SH at June 10, 2014 02:51 PM (gmeXX)
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Why would McCain want to send the US Military back into Iraq with Obama and Commander in Chief?
Posted by: Stew, Squash, and Binge, LLC at June 10, 2014 02:51 PM (qjk5v)
Posted by: fluffy at June 10, 2014 02:52 PM (Ua6T/)
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Obviously Mosul needs an increase in the gas tax.
Posted by: Tom Freidman at June 10, 2014 02:52 PM (fcNe2)
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This is much water under the bridge, but I've never been a fan of the "you break it you buy it" school of foreign policy.
Iraq was never our responsibility in the first place.
We had good enough reason to go in and break it good: end of our responsibility.
The only compelling reason to stay and attempt to "nation build" perhaps, would have been as a counter to Iran.
But we've screwed both those pooches pretty good.
Iraq was never our responsibility in the first place.
We had good enough reason to go in and break it good: end of our responsibility.
The only compelling reason to stay and attempt to "nation build" perhaps, would have been as a counter to Iran.
But we've screwed both those pooches pretty good.
Posted by: NYC Parent at June 10, 2014 02:52 PM (HEo6y)
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I wanted to break up Iraq before Joey Bidez cracked wise about it.
This progressive ideal of mixed ethnicities *forced* to live in harmony, even if they're slaughtering the f**k out of each other in this "harmony," is a disastrous thing.
This progressive ideal of mixed ethnicities *forced* to live in harmony, even if they're slaughtering the f**k out of each other in this "harmony," is a disastrous thing.
Posted by: ace at June 10, 2014 02:52 PM (/FnUH)
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Well, golly- that smooth talkin' well creased creature of the faculty lounge has certainly won this war, hasn't he?
Detroit is alive (not bankrupt), and Al-Q is on the run (not taking over major Iraqi cities, nuh uh)!
Think our (pseudo) man should take the rest of the day off, go have a relaxing time in the gym curling 70 lb dumbbells (not struggling with 5 pounders, nope nuh uh no way no how).
Gads what a dumb prick we got for preezy.
Detroit is alive (not bankrupt), and Al-Q is on the run (not taking over major Iraqi cities, nuh uh)!
Think our (pseudo) man should take the rest of the day off, go have a relaxing time in the gym curling 70 lb dumbbells (not struggling with 5 pounders, nope nuh uh no way no how).
Gads what a dumb prick we got for preezy.
Posted by: Motown Mope- now with more simmering anger! at June 10, 2014 02:52 PM (QLbhS)
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>>>22 Why would McCain want to send the US Military back into Iraq with Obama and Commander in Chief?
Because it's only an honorable fight if thousands of American soldiers die in a ground war. Or something.
Because it's only an honorable fight if thousands of American soldiers die in a ground war. Or something.
Posted by: Doctor Wut? at June 10, 2014 02:52 PM (fTbFx)
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If Iraq collapses does that mean we can't get out of Afghanistan?
Posted by: Stew, Squash, and Binge, LLC at June 10, 2014 02:53 PM (qjk5v)
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Our betters knew, just plain knew, that a Middle Eastern country constructed by external fiat but divided by serious violent partisan religious (however loosely defined) differences would immediately become a Jeffersonian Constitutional Republic and US ally, once the current dictator was deposed, at whatever cost in US blood and treasure.
I blame Bush, Powell, and Bremmer for beginning the F**kup, and SCOAMF for finishing it as a truly Royal F**up.
I blame Bush, Powell, and Bremmer for beginning the F**kup, and SCOAMF for finishing it as a truly Royal F**up.
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 10, 2014 02:53 PM (o3MSL)
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Meh. The Shia government will eventually push them back out, after much suffering, fuckups and destruction.
Posted by: toby928(C) at June 10, 2014 02:53 PM (QupBk)
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It was Bush's fault for every believing they could rebuild Iraq into some sort of free Islamic country. It couldn't work and was never worth the blood or treasure.
Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at June 10, 2014 02:53 PM (crkWb)
Posted by: Roy at June 10, 2014 02:54 PM (VndSC)
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I found out this by reading the newspapers, I got my bus all warmed up just need a scapegoat.
Posted by: Bo O' Fucknut at June 10, 2014 02:54 PM (iz8V5)
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If we'd had the SOFA, the situation may not have gotten this far. In terms of popular support in the US, we'd probably have had schools and elections and improved infrastructure and so the picture of the US still there would be entirely diffferent from the picture of a fresh invasion to reacquire that which Obama gave away in order to make sure we lost.
Posted by: Richard Aubrey at June 10, 2014 02:54 PM (sEWAz)
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We never should have stayed as long as we did anyways. I'm glad we are out. Even though Obama did it for the wrong reasons, getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan are the right objectives. We can't stay there forever propping them up. Kill them when they are a threat and let them kill each other when they aren't.
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He didn't get us out of Afghanistan, he put us back in because it was the "good" war. And why can't we stay forever? We have done so in other countries? We are still in Korea and Germany? Why couldn't we stay in a stabilized Iraq, even if it was stabalized only by our presence?
But look, at this point, there is no use being in any country without a strategic objective to our presence. We had one with Bush, one I agreed with. We don't with Obama. He's the CIC. He wants us out, let's get out - NOW.
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He didn't get us out of Afghanistan, he put us back in because it was the "good" war. And why can't we stay forever? We have done so in other countries? We are still in Korea and Germany? Why couldn't we stay in a stabilized Iraq, even if it was stabalized only by our presence?
But look, at this point, there is no use being in any country without a strategic objective to our presence. We had one with Bush, one I agreed with. We don't with Obama. He's the CIC. He wants us out, let's get out - NOW.
Posted by: SH at June 10, 2014 02:55 PM (gmeXX)
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>>>>So.....the Biden plan then?
Posted by: taylork at June 10, 2014 02:49 PM (i1B3X)
Broken clocks are still right twice a day!
Posted by: taylork at June 10, 2014 02:49 PM (i1B3X)
Broken clocks are still right twice a day!
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 10, 2014 02:55 PM (o3MSL)
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Now you know where we were running to
Posted by: aLqUEDA at June 10, 2014 02:55 PM (SO2Q8)
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If the state cannot remain intact, it should not exist, and a negotiated peace, ceding Sunnis their own smaller state (and, hopefully, giving the Kurds their own state as well) is probably the only stable solution-Ace
Didn't Uncle Joey call for a partition?
Reading the headlines about this story makes me sad and pisses me off. Our blood and treasure, for what? What the fuck did they die/injured for?
Maybe one of our regular contributing vets can explain it to me.
Didn't Uncle Joey call for a partition?
Reading the headlines about this story makes me sad and pisses me off. Our blood and treasure, for what? What the fuck did they die/injured for?
Maybe one of our regular contributing vets can explain it to me.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 10, 2014 02:55 PM (HVff2)
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Was this Haggle's plan all along? Turn Iraq into Syria?
Posted by: Stew, Squash, and Binge, LLC at June 10, 2014 02:55 PM (qjk5v)
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"Conjuring images of a GOP foreign policy in which America's best and bravest are back patrolling the streets of f*cking Fallujah is a guaranteed loss in 2016."
What reason is there to argue that the GOP intends to win any elections at all?
Prove it.
What reason is there to argue that the GOP intends to win any elections at all?
Prove it.
Posted by: Simon White-Thatch Potentloins at June 10, 2014 02:56 PM (NnjE8)
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I would like to take this moment to thank President Bush for his nation building bullshit.
And to Present Bronco Bama for further dithering.
Enormous amounts of blood was spilled and treasure spent for no purpose at all.
And to Present Bronco Bama for further dithering.
Enormous amounts of blood was spilled and treasure spent for no purpose at all.
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at June 10, 2014 02:56 PM (fcNe2)
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I like the Ronald Reagan strategy. Sell arms to Iran and Iraq so they can fight each other indefinitely. Two problems, out of the way.
Posted by: Sphynx at June 10, 2014 02:56 PM (OZmbA)
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Personally, I like the idea of an all out Al Qaeda / Iran war. Sucks to be an Iraqi in the middle of the proxy war.
Posted by: toby928(C) at June 10, 2014 02:57 PM (QupBk)
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We all laughed at the stupidity and simplicity of 'Don't Do Dumb Shit'.
But that was too high a bar.
But that was too high a bar.
Posted by: Doctor Wut? at June 10, 2014 02:57 PM (fTbFx)
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quasi- jinx!
Posted by: toby928(C) at June 10, 2014 02:57 PM (QupBk)
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Can't we just take the wall in Israel and extend it a bit, so it surrounds the entire middle east?
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at June 10, 2014 02:57 PM (SO2Q8)
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Nation building; how does it work?
Posted by: Fritz at June 10, 2014 02:58 PM (UzPAd)
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The only way that this could have been predicted any more easily would have been for it to have been planned to work out this way from the git go.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at June 10, 2014 02:58 PM (BZAd3)
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Under Normal circumstances ,
we supply our enemies with the tools to kill us with a hostage trade or just ask US FOR THE WEAPONS, WHY FIGHT TO CAPTURE EM ?
we supply our enemies with the tools to kill us with a hostage trade or just ask US FOR THE WEAPONS, WHY FIGHT TO CAPTURE EM ?
Posted by: 7 Days in May at June 10, 2014 02:58 PM (jY445)
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To say the Islamist are in Mosul is a lie. That lies has been promoted by the lying American war machine to further destabilize Iraq and steal its oil.
To say the Islamist are in Mosul is a lie. That lies has been promoted by the lying American war machine to further destabilize Iraq and steal its oil.
Posted by: Baghdad Bob at June 10, 2014 02:59 PM (nQjHM)
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The moslems know they have Obama by the short hairs, so yeah this was entirely expected.
Posted by: Null at June 10, 2014 02:59 PM (P7hip)
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Have they really "seized" the city, or is it the typical bum rush the city center with a few hundred guys who eventually get surrounded?
Posted by: andrew at June 10, 2014 02:59 PM (XIUCs)
Posted by: andycanuck at June 10, 2014 02:59 PM (GsmA5)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at June 10, 2014 02:59 PM (BZAd3)
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Right Thrawl, you are so right.
Blame Bush because the democrats wouldn't defend what Bush won.
Let's blame Nixon because the democrats wouldn't defend south vietnam.
And Blame Bush when Obama surrenders in Afghanistan
Fucking idiot.
Blame Bush because the democrats wouldn't defend what Bush won.
Let's blame Nixon because the democrats wouldn't defend south vietnam.
And Blame Bush when Obama surrenders in Afghanistan
Fucking idiot.
Posted by: Stew, Squash, and Binge, LLC at June 10, 2014 02:59 PM (qjk5v)
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Think Our Betters have learned their lesson after 60 years of "limited warfare"?
Yeah. Neither did I.
Yeah. Neither did I.
Posted by: Jaws at June 10, 2014 02:59 PM (eKZp1)
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Giving the Kurds a state is problematic.The Kurds are spread over several countries.
Posted by: steevy at June 10, 2014 02:59 PM (zqvg6)
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This is a dangerous topic for the GOP, because they will naturally argue we should be part of this fight, and the American public is strongly against that.
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Why? I (and not that I represent the GOP) have always been supportive of Bush's plan. Obama screwed it up by getting us back in Afghanistan which we didn't need to be in and giving away our gains in Iraq. Iraq is not worth a 2nd fight. I don't blame Bush, I blame Obama. I don't know why the GOP (other than old shoot em up McCain) feels the need to try to save this. We lost it a long time ago - under Obama's watch.
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Why? I (and not that I represent the GOP) have always been supportive of Bush's plan. Obama screwed it up by getting us back in Afghanistan which we didn't need to be in and giving away our gains in Iraq. Iraq is not worth a 2nd fight. I don't blame Bush, I blame Obama. I don't know why the GOP (other than old shoot em up McCain) feels the need to try to save this. We lost it a long time ago - under Obama's watch.
Posted by: SH at June 10, 2014 03:00 PM (gmeXX)
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So how long will it be before CNN and Sky News cover US embassy people in Baghdad being evacuated via helicopter as the city falls to rebel troops?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 10, 2014 03:00 PM (flLTe)
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and Rashid Khalidi's Boy dances on...
Posted by: garrett at June 10, 2014 03:00 PM (+/IjV)
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It's not my fault. I had no idea. I've been too broke to buy a newspaper.
Step right up, book signatures only $50 apiece.
It's not my fault. I had no idea. I've been too broke to buy a newspaper.
Step right up, book signatures only $50 apiece.
Posted by: Hillarrhoid at June 10, 2014 03:00 PM (wAQA5)
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If they got EBT cards in Mosul, I just might walk there. Don't make me do that, America. Don't be that guy.
Posted by: Guatemalan Proclaimers at June 10, 2014 03:00 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Paul Ryan at June 10, 2014 03:00 PM (O1tfJ)
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Long-distance or heavily-armored stuff, and definitely not American infantry doing the jobs that Vietnam boys, I mean Shiite Iraqi boys, should be doing themselves.
In Vietnam, the South Vietnamese only needed assistance from the U.S. The Easter offensive was stopped by S. Vietnam with U.S. help, and the '75 invasion would have failed for the North has that assistance still been there.
Much like the post-Watergate Democrats in '75, the Democrats today are leaving every one high n' dry (Taliban excepted, of course).
In Vietnam, the South Vietnamese only needed assistance from the U.S. The Easter offensive was stopped by S. Vietnam with U.S. help, and the '75 invasion would have failed for the North has that assistance still been there.
Much like the post-Watergate Democrats in '75, the Democrats today are leaving every one high n' dry (Taliban excepted, of course).
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 10, 2014 03:00 PM (K1sEu)
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65 Yup.
Posted by: steevy at June 10, 2014 03:01 PM (zqvg6)
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And how is all of this helping us?
Stuck in Arizona with no beaches and shit.
We want to go to Hawaii and we ain't flying coach either.
Vamanos, yanquis. Ondalay, Ondalay.
Stuck in Arizona with no beaches and shit.
We want to go to Hawaii and we ain't flying coach either.
Vamanos, yanquis. Ondalay, Ondalay.
Posted by: The Ungrateful Illegal Alien Children at June 10, 2014 03:01 PM (7ObY1)
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Why did Saddam have to be such a stupid fuck? He would still be alive and in power if he stopped claiming he had WMD and learned how to play ball with us. None of this had to happen. We would have given him everything he needed as a counterweight to Iran. Arabs are stupid.
Posted by: JoeyBagels at June 10, 2014 03:01 PM (U2+ta)
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remember, Hillary told us we would be replacing Bush's "cowboy diplomacy" with "Smart Diplomacy"
Way to go, Granny-to-be.
remember, when Dems and Libs talk about "smart" anything, hide you wallet.
Way to go, Granny-to-be.
remember, when Dems and Libs talk about "smart" anything, hide you wallet.
Posted by: mallfly at June 10, 2014 03:01 PM (zjcTL)
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Have they really "seized" the city, or is it the
typical bum rush the city center with a few hundred guys who eventually
get surrounded?
Posted by: andrew at June 10, 2014 02:59 PM (XIUCs)
Well, all the military guarding Mosul dropped their guns and ran away. No one is left to put up resistance to ISIS. They've seized the city by "forfeit".
typical bum rush the city center with a few hundred guys who eventually
get surrounded?
Posted by: andrew at June 10, 2014 02:59 PM (XIUCs)
Well, all the military guarding Mosul dropped their guns and ran away. No one is left to put up resistance to ISIS. They've seized the city by "forfeit".
Posted by: EC at June 10, 2014 03:01 PM (GQ8sn)
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Fighters , Gun Ships and Helos in support of the Iraqi Army on the ground would be accepted by the public. They just hate boots on the ground.
Posted by: Mr. Pete Knut at June 10, 2014 03:01 PM (g6ZDl)
Posted by: 7 Days in May at June 10, 2014 03:01 PM (jY445)
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So how long will it be before CNN and Sky News cover US embassy people in Baghdad being evacuated via helicopter as the city falls to rebel troops?
What did we pay for that place, again?
What did we pay for that place, again?
Posted by: garrett at June 10, 2014 03:01 PM (+/IjV)
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Much like the post-Watergate Democrats in '75, the Democrats today are leaving every one high n' dry (Taliban excepted, of course).
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 10, 2014 03:00 PM (K1sEu
I don't know about that Hat. TFG left a few in Gitmo.
///Sarc
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 10, 2014 03:00 PM (K1sEu
I don't know about that Hat. TFG left a few in Gitmo.
///Sarc
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 10, 2014 03:02 PM (HVff2)
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It's hard to keep differentiate the good Muslims from the bad Muslims these days. But don't you wingnuts ever forget: Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive!
#JoeBidenForPresident2015
#JoeBidenForPresident2015
Posted by: Joe Biden at June 10, 2014 03:02 PM (XxAYS)
Posted by: John McCain at June 10, 2014 03:02 PM (O1tfJ)
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My only surprise is that it took this long!
Posted by: g34 at June 10, 2014 03:02 PM (Pkiw2)
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Let the Muzzies set up their own states, on their own, and do whatever they hell they want to do to each other, without any support from us.
I am really shocked Saudi Arabia has lasted this long. I mean, oil money keeps greedy family members pacified, but all it takes is a few warring cousins or half-brothers and you get a fragmented state.
And then you'll see true chaos. Threaten access to Mecca and Medina and see all of Islam explode.
It's the main reason Islam has been allowed to thrive in recent years is that Saudi Arabia has been stable.
I am really shocked Saudi Arabia has lasted this long. I mean, oil money keeps greedy family members pacified, but all it takes is a few warring cousins or half-brothers and you get a fragmented state.
And then you'll see true chaos. Threaten access to Mecca and Medina and see all of Islam explode.
It's the main reason Islam has been allowed to thrive in recent years is that Saudi Arabia has been stable.
Posted by: AmishDude at June 10, 2014 03:02 PM (T0NGe)
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#BlameHagel
Posted by: toby928(C) at June 10, 2014 03:02 PM (QupBk)
80
Maybe Biden was right. You can't expect a man to spend 41 years and not hit the truth a single solitary time.
Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then.
Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then.
Posted by: Roy at June 10, 2014 03:02 PM (wdHQo)
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The state of Iraq is obviously a fiction.
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The idea of nationhood is a fiction that we all observe. Not everyone needs (or derserves) to live within one.
The state of Iraq is obviously a fiction.
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The idea of nationhood is a fiction that we all observe. Not everyone needs (or derserves) to live within one.
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at June 10, 2014 03:02 PM (SO2Q8)
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So, we care about the Kurds and support Kurdistan, but let the rest of Iraq turn into the hellhole it's always aspired to be?
I can get behind that policy.
I can get behind that policy.
Posted by: Blake at June 10, 2014 03:02 PM (WuGBT)
83
Conjuring images of a GOP foreign policy in which America's best and bravest are back patrolling the streets of f*cking Fallujah is a guaranteed loss in 2016.
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Who is the GOP (other than McCain) is going to make this argument?
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Who is the GOP (other than McCain) is going to make this argument?
Posted by: SH at June 10, 2014 03:02 PM (gmeXX)
84
I can't sleep at night, no it's not my conscience, I can't close my fucking eyes anymore.
Posted by: Hillarrhoid at June 10, 2014 03:03 PM (wAQA5)
85
To the extent the GOP talks about military involvement here, they must talk only of intelligence, surveillance, bombing, drones, and massed tanks and artillery. Long-distance or heavily-armored stuff, and definitely not American infantry doing the jobs that Vietnam boys, I mean Shiite Iraqi boys, should be doing themselves.
...and women's rights, refugees, children, girls...
...and women's rights, refugees, children, girls...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 10, 2014 03:03 PM (IXrOn)
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Everything comes into complete focus just automatically assume that O'Bumbles "is on the other side".
Posted by: dfbaskwill at June 10, 2014 03:03 PM (zllbf)
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Gaylord Focker on foreign policy is much like Tony Roma on the field. A disaster.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 10, 2014 03:04 PM (flLTe)
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Daisy Cutters.
That's the kind of 'Boots on the Ground' I approve of. Boots with Muslim Terrorist feet still in them.
That's the kind of 'Boots on the Ground' I approve of. Boots with Muslim Terrorist feet still in them.
Posted by: garrett at June 10, 2014 03:04 PM (+/IjV)
89
Iraq is out?
Posted by: Don Lemon at June 10, 2014 03:04 PM (5UteM)
90
This is what happens when we take the nuclear option off the table like Dear Leader did. We should do what we should have done right after 9/11. Make glass artwork out of the whole region.
Posted by: Soona at June 10, 2014 03:04 PM (zwoky)
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I thought the Biden plan was to have a single "state" with three provinces.
Here's the problem with the Biden plan. Iran will swallow up the Shia state. Turkey will go to war with the Kurdish state. The Sunni state will be invaded by Syria.
Here's the problem with the Biden plan. Iran will swallow up the Shia state. Turkey will go to war with the Kurdish state. The Sunni state will be invaded by Syria.
Posted by: AmishDude at June 10, 2014 03:04 PM (T0NGe)
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Time to start lobbing in some cruise missiles. What difference does it make now?
Posted by: Hadoop at June 10, 2014 03:04 PM (Ph479)
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84 I can't sleep at night, no it's not my conscience, I can't close my fucking eyes anymore.
Posted by: Hillarrhoid at June 10, 2014 03:03 PM (wAQA5)
You mean its not just me? Nancy Pelosi
Posted by: Hillarrhoid at June 10, 2014 03:03 PM (wAQA5)
You mean its not just me? Nancy Pelosi
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 10, 2014 03:04 PM (HVff2)
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Joe Biden: Teh Stopped Clock of American politics
inarticulate, buffoonish, semi-tarded and gauche, but occasionally correct
atta' boy, Joe. Give 'em a hand...
inarticulate, buffoonish, semi-tarded and gauche, but occasionally correct
atta' boy, Joe. Give 'em a hand...
Posted by: doug the head at June 10, 2014 03:04 PM (8CdUx)
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26 I wanted to break up Iraq before Joey Bidez cracked wise about it.
This progressive ideal of mixed ethnicities *forced* to live in harmony, even if they're slaughtering the f**k out of each other in this "harmony," is a disastrous thing.
Posted by: ace at June 10, 2014 02:52 PM (/FnUH)
I don't think any of these factions actually want to break up Iraq though. They want to keep it intact. They just want to be the ones in charge of it subjugating the other factions and slaughtering them whenever they want to get their murder on.
This progressive ideal of mixed ethnicities *forced* to live in harmony, even if they're slaughtering the f**k out of each other in this "harmony," is a disastrous thing.
Posted by: ace at June 10, 2014 02:52 PM (/FnUH)
I don't think any of these factions actually want to break up Iraq though. They want to keep it intact. They just want to be the ones in charge of it subjugating the other factions and slaughtering them whenever they want to get their murder on.
Posted by: Buzzion at June 10, 2014 03:04 PM (0xzEo)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 10, 2014 03:04 PM (IXrOn)
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This is interesting and everything, but it's not getting my EBT card processed any faster. Chop, chop.
hee hee hee
This is interesting and everything, but it's not getting my EBT card processed any faster. Chop, chop.
hee hee hee
Posted by: dfbaskwill at June 10, 2014 03:05 PM (zllbf)
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More Americantroops in Asia? That sound hideous.
More Americantroops in Asia? That sound hideous.
Posted by: Jake from State Farm at June 10, 2014 03:05 PM (dkae7)
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We don't need their freaking oil anymore. Let them all slaughter each other.
There's a pretty amazing photo out of thousands of cars full of people fleeing Mosul. Not exactly a vote of confidence in AQ as a governing force.
There's a pretty amazing photo out of thousands of cars full of people fleeing Mosul. Not exactly a vote of confidence in AQ as a governing force.
Posted by: rockmom at June 10, 2014 03:05 PM (aBlZ1)
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>>>Who is the GOP (other than McCain) is going to make this argument?
Isn't Lindsey Graham known to be all gung ho for boots on the ground too?
Also...McCain and Graham will be the go to guys for Sunday show appearances, thus this will becomes a 'GOP talking point'.
Isn't Lindsey Graham known to be all gung ho for boots on the ground too?
Also...McCain and Graham will be the go to guys for Sunday show appearances, thus this will becomes a 'GOP talking point'.
Posted by: Doctor Wut? at June 10, 2014 03:05 PM (fTbFx)
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Next up...The fall of Baghdad followed in 2017 by the fall of Kabul.
Posted by: g34 at June 10, 2014 03:05 PM (Pkiw2)
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the kurds are mostly sunni too
and there are al qaeda kurdish forces in play here
its kurds fighting kurds
this ot as simple as splitting Iraq into three peices, and they all want the oil in the north
and there are al qaeda kurdish forces in play here
its kurds fighting kurds
this ot as simple as splitting Iraq into three peices, and they all want the oil in the north
Posted by: thunderb at June 10, 2014 03:05 PM (zOTsN)
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I can't think of any place on the face of the earth were we are not fucked 6 years into Fredo's reign
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 10, 2014 03:05 PM (t3UFN)
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... And this is how the GOP snatches defeat from the jaws of victory ... By insisting upon boots on the ground and not bombers in the air.
Iraq and pretty much most of the Arab world are in trouble from those-whose-name-and-religion one must never speak.
Which is in part due to a complete failure of foreign policy on the part of Obama. Bush got us into the shithole, Obama pulled out withou maintaining a credible deterrence threat.
The guy is an idiot of epic proportions, and the GOP is still gonna manage to fuck this up.
Iraq and pretty much most of the Arab world are in trouble from those-whose-name-and-religion one must never speak.
Which is in part due to a complete failure of foreign policy on the part of Obama. Bush got us into the shithole, Obama pulled out withou maintaining a credible deterrence threat.
The guy is an idiot of epic proportions, and the GOP is still gonna manage to fuck this up.
Posted by: Joe in mi at June 10, 2014 03:06 PM (Ggg1o)
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I don't think any of these factions actually want to break up Iraq though. They want to keep it intact. They just want to be the ones in charge of it subjugating the other factions and slaughtering them whenever they want to get their murder on.
Posted by: Buzzion at June 10, 2014 03:04 PM (0xzEo)
Winner winner chicken dinner!
Posted by: Buzzion at June 10, 2014 03:04 PM (0xzEo)
Winner winner chicken dinner!
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at June 10, 2014 03:06 PM (mf5HN)
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This must be the diversion Hillary talked about in her authentic frontier gibberish.
Major leagues, baby!
Major leagues, baby!
Posted by: Fritz at June 10, 2014 03:06 PM (UzPAd)
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They just want to be the ones in charge of it subjugating the other factions and slaughtering them whenever they want to get their murder on.
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History of the World.
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History of the World.
Posted by: SH at June 10, 2014 03:06 PM (gmeXX)
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So let me get this straight:
- We (i.e. the Obama administration) almost went to war on the side of the Syrian "irsurgents," despite many of them self-declaring as Al Qaeda-affiliated.
- Even if we didn't put boots on the ground in Syria, we back the "insurgents."
- Under Bush, we spent eight years fighting the "insurgents" in neighboring Iraq, and pretty much vanquished them.
- Obama takes over, pulls out of Iraq, and lets the insurgents have a comeback.
- Those Iraqi insurgents that Obama's actions resuscitated are also Al Qaeda-affiliated.
- The Iraqi Al Qaeda group is allied with the Syrian Al Qaeda group.
- OBAMA HELPED BOTH Al QAEDA GROUPS, either through action (in Syria) or inaction (in Iraq).
Conclusion:
The US, under Obama, has switched sides in the War on Terror and is now an Al Qaeda affiliate.
Also, bonus facts:
- Our arms now are in Al Qaeda hands.
- We released Al Qaeda-affiliated prisoners, and give them a ticket back to the front lines.
This is everything the most extreme "conspiracy theorists" ever imagined Obama would do. They were right.
- We (i.e. the Obama administration) almost went to war on the side of the Syrian "irsurgents," despite many of them self-declaring as Al Qaeda-affiliated.
- Even if we didn't put boots on the ground in Syria, we back the "insurgents."
- Under Bush, we spent eight years fighting the "insurgents" in neighboring Iraq, and pretty much vanquished them.
- Obama takes over, pulls out of Iraq, and lets the insurgents have a comeback.
- Those Iraqi insurgents that Obama's actions resuscitated are also Al Qaeda-affiliated.
- The Iraqi Al Qaeda group is allied with the Syrian Al Qaeda group.
- OBAMA HELPED BOTH Al QAEDA GROUPS, either through action (in Syria) or inaction (in Iraq).
Conclusion:
The US, under Obama, has switched sides in the War on Terror and is now an Al Qaeda affiliate.
Also, bonus facts:
- Our arms now are in Al Qaeda hands.
- We released Al Qaeda-affiliated prisoners, and give them a ticket back to the front lines.
This is everything the most extreme "conspiracy theorists" ever imagined Obama would do. They were right.
Posted by: zombie at June 10, 2014 03:06 PM (mizYg)
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There used to be a time when America actually knew how to win wars.
Posted by: Iblis at June 10, 2014 03:07 PM (9221z)
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unbold, typography demon!
Posted by: zombie at June 10, 2014 03:07 PM (mizYg)
Posted by: Doctor Wut? at June 10, 2014 03:07 PM (fTbFx)
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We should have instituted strict gun laws in Iraq while we were there.
Then, nothing like this could ever happen.
Then, nothing like this could ever happen.
Posted by: jwest at June 10, 2014 03:07 PM (u2a4R)
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Yep Buzzion... each faction wants to be the next Saddam Hussein parceling out the riches to their supporters while screwing the others.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 10, 2014 03:07 PM (flLTe)
Posted by: Barney Frank at June 10, 2014 03:07 PM (M4Zru)
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Everything comes into complete focus just automatically assume that O'Bumbles every pol in DC "is on the other side".
Posted by: effit at June 10, 2014 03:07 PM (O1tfJ)
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They need a dictator in Iraq. That's the only thing that would keep them from killing each other--is a dictator doing it for them. Saddam kept the factions quiet for the most part. Tito did in in Yugoslavia for decades.
Posted by: JoeyBagels at June 10, 2014 03:07 PM (U2+ta)
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I don't think any of these factions actually want to break up Iraq though. They want to keep it intact. They just want to be the ones in charge of it subjugating the other factions and slaughtering them whenever they want to get their murder on.
So, like congress?
So, like congress?
Posted by: rickb223 at June 10, 2014 03:07 PM (aJd5W)
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Perhaps if we gave the terrorists a $25,000 voucher?
Posted by: garrett at June 10, 2014 03:08 PM (+/IjV)
119
... And this is how the GOP snatches defeat from the jaws of victory ... By insisting upon boots on the ground and not bombers in the air.
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Who? Who in the GOP is advocating boots on the ground? Maybe McCain and Graham - two old timers who have little influence in the party. I'll be surprised if there is any influential member who advocates boots on the ground.
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Who? Who in the GOP is advocating boots on the ground? Maybe McCain and Graham - two old timers who have little influence in the party. I'll be surprised if there is any influential member who advocates boots on the ground.
Posted by: SH at June 10, 2014 03:08 PM (gmeXX)
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42 I would like to take this moment to thank President Bush for his nation building bullshit. And to Present Bronco Bama for further dithering. Enormous amounts of blood was spilled and treasure spent for no purpose at all.
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at June 10, 2014 02:56 PM (fcNe2)
Not to mention leaving us with the SCOAMF as President.
We should have just bombed the shit out of Baghdad, killed Saddam and his sons, and got the hell out of Dodge.
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at June 10, 2014 02:56 PM (fcNe2)
Not to mention leaving us with the SCOAMF as President.
We should have just bombed the shit out of Baghdad, killed Saddam and his sons, and got the hell out of Dodge.
Posted by: rockmom at June 10, 2014 03:08 PM (aBlZ1)
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We should have instituted strict gun laws in Iraq while we were there.
Then, nothing like this could ever happen.
Posted by: jwest at June 10, 2014 03:07 PM (u2a4R)
I think we actually did.
Then, nothing like this could ever happen.
Posted by: jwest at June 10, 2014 03:07 PM (u2a4R)
I think we actually did.
Posted by: EC at June 10, 2014 03:08 PM (GQ8sn)
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I wonder what kind of goodies AQ got their mitts on this time? The Stingers they got in Libya were just fabulous. What's in the water inside the beltway that makes these MFers not realize that giving these clowns *anything* is going to boomerang on us?
Posted by: Jaws at June 10, 2014 03:08 PM (eKZp1)
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This progressive ideal of mixed ethnicities *forced* to live in harmony, even if they're slaughtering the f**k out of each other in this "harmony," is a disastrous thing.
The only way Slick Bubba think harmony will happen is an alien invasion.*
*remember this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PNttGg-z84
The only way Slick Bubba think harmony will happen is an alien invasion.*
*remember this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PNttGg-z84
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 10, 2014 03:09 PM (IXrOn)
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Shoulda run a #9 on 'em.
Posted by: Taggert at June 10, 2014 03:09 PM (5npD/)
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118 Perhaps if we gave the terrorists a $25,000 voucher?
Posted by: garrett at June 10, 2014 03:08 PM (+/IjV)
At least the terrorist would be able to write a ransom note in cursive and be able to make change for a 5 million dollar bill.
Posted by: garrett at June 10, 2014 03:08 PM (+/IjV)
At least the terrorist would be able to write a ransom note in cursive and be able to make change for a 5 million dollar bill.
Posted by: jwest at June 10, 2014 03:09 PM (u2a4R)
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Fucking idiot.
Posted by: Stew, Squash, and Binge, LLC at June 10, 2014 02:59 PM (qjk5v)
It really does not matter if the Rats supported Bush or not. Nation building is not doable. Where has it worked where it was not proceeded by total destruction and unconditional surrender.
Since you don't know I'll tell you. Nowhere that's where.
So my fine talking twat, do you still believe that nation building was a good idea. Apparently you do.
Posted by: Stew, Squash, and Binge, LLC at June 10, 2014 02:59 PM (qjk5v)
It really does not matter if the Rats supported Bush or not. Nation building is not doable. Where has it worked where it was not proceeded by total destruction and unconditional surrender.
Since you don't know I'll tell you. Nowhere that's where.
So my fine talking twat, do you still believe that nation building was a good idea. Apparently you do.
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at June 10, 2014 03:09 PM (fcNe2)
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Bush gets the blame for 'Nation Building', but he was reacting to and capitulating to the Left in doing so.
Remember the 'No Plan to Win the Peace' assault of the Bush Doctrine.
Remember the 'No Plan to Win the Peace' assault of the Bush Doctrine.
Posted by: garrett at June 10, 2014 03:09 PM (+/IjV)
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There used to be a time when America actually knew how to win wars.
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The war was won. This wasn't a case of not winning a war, this was giving back the war. If we had left Korea in 1955, there would be no South Korea.
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The war was won. This wasn't a case of not winning a war, this was giving back the war. If we had left Korea in 1955, there would be no South Korea.
Posted by: SH at June 10, 2014 03:10 PM (gmeXX)
129
man, obama is going to pissed when he reads about it tonight on the shitter.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at June 10, 2014 03:10 PM (g4of5)
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I give no more fucks about any of these people. You want freedom? Fight for it. If you don't, enjoy your clitorectomy.
Posted by: Taggert at June 10, 2014 03:10 PM (5npD/)
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116 They need a dictator in Iraq. That's the only thing that would keep them from killing each other--is a dictator doing it for them. Saddam kept the factions quiet for the most part. Tito did in in Yugoslavia for decades.
Posted by: JoeyBagels at June 10, 2014 03:07 PM (U2+ta)
Eh. It's an artificial country that was put togther by the Brits after WWI, along with Saudi Arabia and Jordan. The world does not need an "Iraq," any more than it needed Czechoslovakia.
Posted by: JoeyBagels at June 10, 2014 03:07 PM (U2+ta)
Eh. It's an artificial country that was put togther by the Brits after WWI, along with Saudi Arabia and Jordan. The world does not need an "Iraq," any more than it needed Czechoslovakia.
Posted by: rockmom at June 10, 2014 03:10 PM (aBlZ1)
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>>>>It's the main reason Islam has been allowed to thrive in recent years is that Saudi Arabia has been stable.
And they keep on funding and exporting their crazy terrorist inciting clerics to other countries. Keep them funded and happy at home and let them do their agitating in other countries as opposed to Saudi Arabia.
And they keep on funding and exporting their crazy terrorist inciting clerics to other countries. Keep them funded and happy at home and let them do their agitating in other countries as opposed to Saudi Arabia.
Posted by: Buzzion at June 10, 2014 03:10 PM (0xzEo)
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Who in the GOP is advocating boots on the ground? Maybe McCain and Graham - two old timers who have little influence in the party. I'll be surprised if there is any influential member who advocates boots on the ground.
Whoever it is will be the Face of the Republican Party.
Whoever it is will be the Face of the Republican Party.
Posted by: The MFM at June 10, 2014 03:10 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: kid from Honduras at June 10, 2014 03:10 PM (Ua6T/)
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Damned sock.
Posted by: Chupacabras at June 10, 2014 03:10 PM (5npD/)
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Posted by: Joe in mi at June 10, 2014 03:06 PM (Ggg1o)
We have been in that shithole since Iraq invaded Kuwait. We never left. And the world is a safer place because of it but we are throwing it all away.
We have been in that shithole since Iraq invaded Kuwait. We never left. And the world is a safer place because of it but we are throwing it all away.
Posted by: Mr. Pete Knut at June 10, 2014 03:11 PM (g6ZDl)
Posted by: SH at June 10, 2014 03:11 PM (gmeXX)
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I have a simple question -- If leaving troops in Iraq and having a SOFA was such a bad idea, why is it a good idea in Afcrapistan?
The same f*cknut was in charge of both decisions, so that can't be the answer.
The same f*cknut was in charge of both decisions, so that can't be the answer.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 10, 2014 03:11 PM (bdHl6)
139
and from weaselzippers: Hillary!s book excerpt:
"The most important thing I did was help restore America's leadership in the world. And I think that was a very important accomplishment. We were flat on out back when I walked in there the first time."
What a delusional loony.
"The most important thing I did was help restore America's leadership in the world. And I think that was a very important accomplishment. We were flat on out back when I walked in there the first time."
What a delusional loony.
Posted by: mallfly at June 10, 2014 03:12 PM (zjcTL)
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nearly all kurds are sunnis
some kurds are al qaeda
some kurds are fighting other kurds
this is a fucking mess
some kurds are al qaeda
some kurds are fighting other kurds
this is a fucking mess
Posted by: thunderb at June 10, 2014 03:12 PM (zOTsN)
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A Shiite Iraq was always in the cards. President Bush used to talk about Iraq ruled by leaders of the people's own choosing. That meant Shiites.
Shiites in Iraq are not really tied to the Shiites in Iran. Shiites are mostly in favor of separation of church and state.
Shiites in Iraq are not really tied to the Shiites in Iran. Shiites are mostly in favor of separation of church and state.
Posted by: blaster at June 10, 2014 03:12 PM (rCQHn)
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It really does not matter if the Rats supported Bush or not. Nation building is not doable. Where has it worked where it was not proceeded by total destruction and unconditional surrender.
Ahem
Ahem
Posted by: Germany at June 10, 2014 03:12 PM (SY2Kh)
143
Aw, my favorite UFC fighter got busted for PEDs. I knew he was on them. Don't really care. He's good on the mic and is entertaining.
Funniest thing is that that's 3 guys for the same fight who failed now. Not the same event, 3 guys for the same 2 man fight.
First it was Sonnen-Wanderlei. Wanderlei failed his drug test (technically he refused the random drug test and ran away, but refusal counts as failure) and got booted. Then it was Sonnen-Vitor. Vitor failed a test earlier and was trying to get licensed. And now Sonnen tests positive.
They're all on the juice. Who cares. Just let 'em fight. Sonnen got busted for anti-estrogen PEDs -- the kind you take to prevent man-boobs if you're on testosterone and steroids.
Ariel Helwani @arielhelwani 10m
RT @bokamotoESPN: BREAKING NEWS: Chael Sonnen fails random drug test in Nevada. Full details here. http://goo.gl/zNM2NW
Funniest thing is that that's 3 guys for the same fight who failed now. Not the same event, 3 guys for the same 2 man fight.
First it was Sonnen-Wanderlei. Wanderlei failed his drug test (technically he refused the random drug test and ran away, but refusal counts as failure) and got booted. Then it was Sonnen-Vitor. Vitor failed a test earlier and was trying to get licensed. And now Sonnen tests positive.
They're all on the juice. Who cares. Just let 'em fight. Sonnen got busted for anti-estrogen PEDs -- the kind you take to prevent man-boobs if you're on testosterone and steroids.
Ariel Helwani @arielhelwani 10m
RT @bokamotoESPN: BREAKING NEWS: Chael Sonnen fails random drug test in Nevada. Full details here. http://goo.gl/zNM2NW
Posted by: Costanza Defense at June 10, 2014 03:12 PM (ZPrif)
144
Woops, I meant Yugoslavia. I get all those Slavias mixed up.
Posted by: rockmom who is a dumbass sometimes at June 10, 2014 03:12 PM (aBlZ1)
145
I think the consensus of those who've served with Turkish troops is that many individual soldiers have Balls of Steel but collectively they're inept and badly-led by nepotism clowns and lazy careerist slobs
Turks in the past few centuries have proven good at exterminating civilian populations within Turkey, but seriously bad at fighting armed opponents.
don't tell me about Gallipoli; that was British / Anzac suicide and an overall Bad Idea. ( talking to YOU, Winston... )
Turks in the past few centuries have proven good at exterminating civilian populations within Turkey, but seriously bad at fighting armed opponents.
don't tell me about Gallipoli; that was British / Anzac suicide and an overall Bad Idea. ( talking to YOU, Winston... )
Posted by: doug the head at June 10, 2014 03:12 PM (8CdUx)
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They just want to be the ones in charge of it subjugating the other factions and slaughtering them whenever they want to get their murder on.
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Damn. I think I'm seeing this scenario being played someplace else. Wait a minute.......I'll think of it.
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Damn. I think I'm seeing this scenario being played someplace else. Wait a minute.......I'll think of it.
Posted by: Soona at June 10, 2014 03:12 PM (zwoky)
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121 We should have instituted strict gun laws in Iraq while we were there.
Then, nothing like this could ever happen.
Posted by: jwest at June 10, 2014 03:07 PM (u2a4R)
I think we actually did.
Posted by: EC at June 10, 2014 03:08 PM (GQ8sn)
We only disarmed the Christians. Seriously.
Then, nothing like this could ever happen.
Posted by: jwest at June 10, 2014 03:07 PM (u2a4R)
I think we actually did.
Posted by: EC at June 10, 2014 03:08 PM (GQ8sn)
We only disarmed the Christians. Seriously.
Posted by: Iblis at June 10, 2014 03:13 PM (9221z)
148
We should have just bombed the shit out of Baghdad, killed Saddam and his sons, and got the hell out of Dodge.
Posted by: rockmom at June 10, 2014 03:08 PM (aBlZ1)
THIS!
Posted by: rockmom at June 10, 2014 03:08 PM (aBlZ1)
THIS!
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at June 10, 2014 03:13 PM (fcNe2)
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68 Why did Saddam have to be such a stupid fuck? He would still be alive and in power if he stopped claiming he had WMD and learned how to play ball with us.
Sure, and end up like Kadaffi, with a bayonet shoved up my ass?
Sure, and end up like Kadaffi, with a bayonet shoved up my ass?
Posted by: Zombie Sadaam at June 10, 2014 03:13 PM (9k3O4)
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My friends, we have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House
Posted by: John McCain at June 10, 2014 02:46 PM (xKIE3)
You know, those Viet Cong were a bunch of incompetent motherfuckers
Posted by: John McCain at June 10, 2014 02:46 PM (xKIE3)
You know, those Viet Cong were a bunch of incompetent motherfuckers
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at June 10, 2014 03:13 PM (R8hU8)
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How did Bush have any gains in Iraq if the moment we leave or say we are leaving, it all starts to fall apart. Those aren't gains unless you plan on keeping US forces involved until....eternity. It's like saying I built a house and as long as I stand here holding this wall up it won't fall down.
Go in, kill who needs killing and leave. That should have been the policy. Nation building, trying to create a stable Iraq/Afghanistan, are fools errands. OBarky is a traitorous idiot but unless he was going to continue the holding action (and he wasn't), it was all going to collapse.
Go in, kill who needs killing and leave. That should have been the policy. Nation building, trying to create a stable Iraq/Afghanistan, are fools errands. OBarky is a traitorous idiot but unless he was going to continue the holding action (and he wasn't), it was all going to collapse.
Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at June 10, 2014 03:14 PM (crkWb)
Posted by: President Jimmy Carter... Ex-worst President Ever... at June 10, 2014 03:14 PM (nELVU)
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Nuke 'em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Posted by: Darth Randall at June 10, 2014 03:14 PM (6n332)
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I always argued that we should've gone after Iran before we went after Iraq. Iran declared war on us in 1980.
Posted by: Iblis at June 10, 2014 03:14 PM (9221z)
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Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon.
Then Jordan. Afghanistan and Pakistan will be a buffer from the east until they move on India.
Then Spain from Morocco and southern and eastern Europe from Turkey, all aided by huge immigrant populations internally.
The Ottoman-Habsburg wars perfected.
American won't be able to help because it will have been invaded from the south, aided by huge immigrant populations from within.
That's how I would take over the world.
Then Jordan. Afghanistan and Pakistan will be a buffer from the east until they move on India.
Then Spain from Morocco and southern and eastern Europe from Turkey, all aided by huge immigrant populations internally.
The Ottoman-Habsburg wars perfected.
American won't be able to help because it will have been invaded from the south, aided by huge immigrant populations from within.
That's how I would take over the world.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at June 10, 2014 03:15 PM (BZAd3)
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The only thing we should have left in Iraq and the entire shitty muslim region was dead bodies and OUR intel assets.
GWB gave us the democracy project and Obama gave our weapons to the enemy and a chicken shit foreign policy.
How great.
GWB gave us the democracy project and Obama gave our weapons to the enemy and a chicken shit foreign policy.
How great.
Posted by: prescient11 at June 10, 2014 03:15 PM (tVTLU)
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Nation building, the Pottery Barn "you break it, you bought it" strategy of the racist piece of shit traitor Colon Powell ... is retarded.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at June 10, 2014 03:15 PM (ZPrif)
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We should have just bombed the shit out of Baghdad, killed Saddam and his sons, and got the hell out of Dodge.
Posted by: rockmom at June 10, 2014 03:08 PM (aBlZ1)
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You forgot: "and leave a note on the door to the Capital Building saying 'DONT MAKE US COME BACK'."
We should have just bombed the shit out of Baghdad, killed Saddam and his sons, and got the hell out of Dodge.
Posted by: rockmom at June 10, 2014 03:08 PM (aBlZ1)
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You forgot: "and leave a note on the door to the Capital Building saying 'DONT MAKE US COME BACK'."
Posted by: fixerupper at June 10, 2014 03:16 PM (nELVU)
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I suspect that they'll be forced out soon- ISIS pulled off a win with a surprise attack, but I doubt they'll be able to hold it.
And if they're stupid enough to try going after the Kurds, it's Game Over.
And if they're stupid enough to try going after the Kurds, it's Game Over.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 10, 2014 03:16 PM (SY2Kh)
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Those aren't gains unless you plan on keeping US forces involved until....eternity.
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That is obvious. But not without precedent. Would we have kept our gains in Germany without a presence, of course not. But having military presence in a country is not the same as continuing to fight a war.
I'm fine with advocating the other policy of go in, kill and get out. In fact, that was the Afghan policy and it made sense there.
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That is obvious. But not without precedent. Would we have kept our gains in Germany without a presence, of course not. But having military presence in a country is not the same as continuing to fight a war.
I'm fine with advocating the other policy of go in, kill and get out. In fact, that was the Afghan policy and it made sense there.
Posted by: SH at June 10, 2014 03:16 PM (gmeXX)
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137 Nation building is not doable.
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What do you call South Korea?
Posted by: SH at June 10, 2014 03:11 PM (gmeXX)
Our allies in the war as opposed to the Norks.
Who in Iraq was our allies. No one.
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What do you call South Korea?
Posted by: SH at June 10, 2014 03:11 PM (gmeXX)
Our allies in the war as opposed to the Norks.
Who in Iraq was our allies. No one.
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at June 10, 2014 03:16 PM (fcNe2)
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Iran declared war on us in 1980.
Posted by: Iblis at June 10, 2014 03:14 PM (9221z)
We had a chance. Obama didn't take it. Naturally.
Posted by: Iblis at June 10, 2014 03:14 PM (9221z)
We had a chance. Obama didn't take it. Naturally.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at June 10, 2014 03:16 PM (BZAd3)
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you can accomplish nation-building where there actually is a nation
where there is no nation, you cannot build One
where there is no nation, you cannot build One
Posted by: doug the head at June 10, 2014 03:16 PM (8CdUx)
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The world does not need an "Iraq," any more than it needed Czechoslovakia
Bratislava, like Tijuana but without donkeys and Mexicans.
Bratislava, like Tijuana but without donkeys and Mexicans.
Posted by: wooga at June 10, 2014 03:16 PM (9k3O4)
Posted by: toby928(C) at June 10, 2014 03:16 PM (QupBk)
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I just read at The Weekly Standard blog that there are approximately 380 people for Shrillary's first book signing at B & N.
Posted by: Carol at June 10, 2014 03:17 PM (gjOCp)
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It takes some real skill to lose a war you won nearly a decade ago.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 10, 2014 03:17 PM (O3C36)
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Turks in the past few centuries have proven good at exterminating civilian populations within Turkey, but seriously bad at fighting armed opponents.
The Turks we had during the Korean war were bad motherfuckers.
The Turks we had during the Korean war were bad motherfuckers.
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at June 10, 2014 03:17 PM (R8hU8)
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"I give no more fucks about any of these people. You want freedom? Fight for it. If you don't, enjoy your clitorectomy.
Posted by: Taggert"
I'm with you. Who fucking cares. We have our own problems here. Good luck and fuck off to all of them.
Now let's start taking heads.
Posted by: Taggert"
I'm with you. Who fucking cares. We have our own problems here. Good luck and fuck off to all of them.
Now let's start taking heads.
Posted by: Simon White-Thatch Potentloins at June 10, 2014 03:17 PM (NnjE8)
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We should have leveled Fallujah the first time. You have to be ruthless to WIN wars. Unconditional surrender, nothing less.
Posted by: Hadoop at June 10, 2014 03:17 PM (Ph479)
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116 "They need a dictator in Iraq."
If we could just get past this stupid idea that everyone in the world is ready for Jeffersonian democracy, the situation could be handled.
Give what is now known as Iraq to a rich U.S. contributor, who would then make deals with Exxon and Shell to provide the money for mercenaries to bring the population under control.
Lop heads off in the street for dressing poorly. Let them know you mean business.
Have the new king pay a tribute to the U.S. each year to allow it to function.
Rinse, repeat.
Imperialism is a proven business model.
If we could just get past this stupid idea that everyone in the world is ready for Jeffersonian democracy, the situation could be handled.
Give what is now known as Iraq to a rich U.S. contributor, who would then make deals with Exxon and Shell to provide the money for mercenaries to bring the population under control.
Lop heads off in the street for dressing poorly. Let them know you mean business.
Have the new king pay a tribute to the U.S. each year to allow it to function.
Rinse, repeat.
Imperialism is a proven business model.
Posted by: jwest at June 10, 2014 03:18 PM (u2a4R)
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"man, obama is going to pissed when he reads about it tonight on the shitter."
Don't you know it.
Don't you know it.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 10, 2014 03:18 PM (AbFmZ)
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Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at June 10, 2014 03:14 PM (crkWb
I think people already pointed out Germany and South Korea to you. Iraq was not going to change over night. It was going to take at least a decade of reasonable stability.
I think people already pointed out Germany and South Korea to you. Iraq was not going to change over night. It was going to take at least a decade of reasonable stability.
Posted by: Mr. Pete Knut at June 10, 2014 03:18 PM (g6ZDl)
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"Bush gets the blame for 'Nation Building', but he was reacting to and capitulating to the Left in doing so."
Absolutely true...and damn him forever to making that deal. He should have also kicked Colin Powell's nuts up into his throat for that Pottery Barn bullshit. How many lives has that trite cowardice cost us?
Absolutely true...and damn him forever to making that deal. He should have also kicked Colin Powell's nuts up into his throat for that Pottery Barn bullshit. How many lives has that trite cowardice cost us?
Posted by: Jaws at June 10, 2014 03:18 PM (eKZp1)
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On the Politics: This is a dangerous topic for the GOP, because they will naturally argue we should be part of this fight, and the American public is strongly against that.
The following is a serious question and not snark. Setting aside McCain, as we all should, is there anyone in the GOP who is actually calling for this? Honestly, I don't know, that's why I am asking.
As a bit of an aside, I'm starting to become a bit of a neo-isolationist. Germany, Korea, Iraq, wherever, I done with protecting other people's borders and not our own. Fuck it. Pull our troops back from everywhere and let Putin take over Europe if he wants. Have fun in Norway and Finland, Vlad!
Now, the realpolitician in me knows that is a stupid, stupid thing to do, at least to that extreme, but that's what the less rational part of me thinks. Let the rest of the world clean up their own messes. To hell with all of them.
The following is a serious question and not snark. Setting aside McCain, as we all should, is there anyone in the GOP who is actually calling for this? Honestly, I don't know, that's why I am asking.
As a bit of an aside, I'm starting to become a bit of a neo-isolationist. Germany, Korea, Iraq, wherever, I done with protecting other people's borders and not our own. Fuck it. Pull our troops back from everywhere and let Putin take over Europe if he wants. Have fun in Norway and Finland, Vlad!
Now, the realpolitician in me knows that is a stupid, stupid thing to do, at least to that extreme, but that's what the less rational part of me thinks. Let the rest of the world clean up their own messes. To hell with all of them.
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at June 10, 2014 03:18 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at June 10, 2014 03:19 PM (fcNe2)
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What do you call South Korea?
Posted by: SH at June 10, 2014 03:11 PM (gmeXX)
Our allies in the war as opposed to the Norks.
Who in Iraq was our allies. No one.
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You are looking at it from the benefit of hindsight. Not all of SK was sympathetic to us and our involvement. Would Iraq turn out the same, if we had maintained a presence and allowed the new country to develop for 40 years? I have no clue. I simply know it was done in the past and obviously required our military presence to be achievable.
Posted by: SH at June 10, 2014 03:11 PM (gmeXX)
Our allies in the war as opposed to the Norks.
Who in Iraq was our allies. No one.
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You are looking at it from the benefit of hindsight. Not all of SK was sympathetic to us and our involvement. Would Iraq turn out the same, if we had maintained a presence and allowed the new country to develop for 40 years? I have no clue. I simply know it was done in the past and obviously required our military presence to be achievable.
Posted by: SH at June 10, 2014 03:19 PM (gmeXX)
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I just read at The Weekly Standard blog that there are approximately 380 people for Shrillary's first book signing at B N.Posted by: Carol at June 10, 2014 03:17 PM (gjOCp)lol atDrudge headline, 40% off the book already.
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at June 10, 2014 03:19 PM (rXcBX)
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I always argued that we should've gone after Iran before we went after Iraq. Iran declared war on us in 1980.
Posted by: Iblis at June 10, 2014 03:14 PM (9221z)
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Look on a map.....
If we'd have experienced combat forces still in Iraq.... and experienced combat forces still in Afghan....... we'd have two Armies on each border of Iran.
Think they'd still be spinning Uranium today???
I always argued that we should've gone after Iran before we went after Iraq. Iran declared war on us in 1980.
Posted by: Iblis at June 10, 2014 03:14 PM (9221z)
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Look on a map.....
If we'd have experienced combat forces still in Iraq.... and experienced combat forces still in Afghan....... we'd have two Armies on each border of Iran.
Think they'd still be spinning Uranium today???
Posted by: fixerupper at June 10, 2014 03:19 PM (nELVU)
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Republican Candidate: "We are fucked. Do you know this phrase?"
Candy Crowley: "I DID NOTHING WRONG!"
Candy Crowley: "I DID NOTHING WRONG!"
Posted by: MTF at June 10, 2014 03:19 PM (LISuA)
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I would say I am going to start drinking, but I already have.
What a depressing fucking day.
I mentioned in an early tread. We are at a seriously dangerous tipping point and Obama and his clowns have no clue.
Russia take Cremia, China drilling for oil on Vietnam island, Japanese air force fighting Chinese, Al Queda attacking Pak airports, thugs steal 300 Christian girls, Sudan is blowing up.
What am I forgetting? Oh we just let out a deserter for five Al Qaeda leaders.
Leading from behind.
Not working out too well. I am really worried we will see another attack on the US before the election. Those stinger missiles can shoot some airliners down.
What a depressing fucking day.
I mentioned in an early tread. We are at a seriously dangerous tipping point and Obama and his clowns have no clue.
Russia take Cremia, China drilling for oil on Vietnam island, Japanese air force fighting Chinese, Al Queda attacking Pak airports, thugs steal 300 Christian girls, Sudan is blowing up.
What am I forgetting? Oh we just let out a deserter for five Al Qaeda leaders.
Leading from behind.
Not working out too well. I am really worried we will see another attack on the US before the election. Those stinger missiles can shoot some airliners down.
Posted by: Nip Sip at June 10, 2014 03:19 PM (0FSuD)
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Excellent recruiting slogan: Join America's armed forces and get killed so the next piss-ant leftard President can make your sacrifice a fucking waste.
Posted by: maddogg at June 10, 2014 03:20 PM (xWW96)
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Pottery Barn, bitchez!
Pottery Barn.
Pottery Barn.
Posted by: Colon Powell at June 10, 2014 03:20 PM (ZPrif)
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UNLEASH THE HASHTAGS!
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 10, 2014 03:20 PM (oFCZn)
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"The Weekly Standard blog that there are approximately 380 people for Shrillary's first book signing at B & N."
What were they expecting?
What were they expecting?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 10, 2014 03:20 PM (AbFmZ)
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Now, the realpolitician in me knows that is a stupid, stupid thing to do, at least to that extreme, but that's what the less rational part of me thinks. Let the rest of the world clean up their own messes. To hell with all of them.
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at June 10, 2014 03:18 PM (mf5HN)
Yup
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at June 10, 2014 03:18 PM (mf5HN)
Yup
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at June 10, 2014 03:20 PM (R8hU8)
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45 We all laughed at the stupidity and simplicity of 'Don't Do Dumb Shit'.
But that was too high a bar.
Posted by: Doctor Wut?
EXACTLY.
With the "stupid shit" comment, Obama was trying to deceive us into thinking he would strive to avoid accidentally taking ruinous action.
This was a cover to mask that he in fact has taken and will take intentional ruinous action.
Think of it this way.
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Stupid Shit
A play in one act
Conscious patient on operating table: "Ouch! Be careful!"
Surgeon leaning over him with a scalpel: "Don't worry! I know what I'm doing. I'll be very precise in my movements. I won't do any stupid shit. Now let me continue the operation."
Conscious patient on operating table: "OK -- I feel reassured."
(30 minutes pass.)
Conscious patient on operating table: "I'm feeling kind of weird. What's going on?"
Surgeon leaning over him with a scalpel: "I'm almost finished. And...done!"
Conscious patient on operating table: "But then why don't I feel so good? What did you do?"
Surgeon leaning over him with a scalpel: "I castrated you, gave you a lobotomy, replaced your heart with a pig's heart, infected you with bubonic plague, and ate your liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti. But I did so very carefully, just as I promised.
But that was too high a bar.
Posted by: Doctor Wut?
EXACTLY.
With the "stupid shit" comment, Obama was trying to deceive us into thinking he would strive to avoid accidentally taking ruinous action.
This was a cover to mask that he in fact has taken and will take intentional ruinous action.
Think of it this way.
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Stupid Shit
A play in one act
Conscious patient on operating table: "Ouch! Be careful!"
Surgeon leaning over him with a scalpel: "Don't worry! I know what I'm doing. I'll be very precise in my movements. I won't do any stupid shit. Now let me continue the operation."
Conscious patient on operating table: "OK -- I feel reassured."
(30 minutes pass.)
Conscious patient on operating table: "I'm feeling kind of weird. What's going on?"
Surgeon leaning over him with a scalpel: "I'm almost finished. And...done!"
Conscious patient on operating table: "But then why don't I feel so good? What did you do?"
Surgeon leaning over him with a scalpel: "I castrated you, gave you a lobotomy, replaced your heart with a pig's heart, infected you with bubonic plague, and ate your liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti. But I did so very carefully, just as I promised.
Posted by: zombie at June 10, 2014 03:20 PM (mizYg)
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Who fucking cares.
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I do. Great men and women died to stabilize Iraq. Was it all for nothing?
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I do. Great men and women died to stabilize Iraq. Was it all for nothing?
Posted by: SH at June 10, 2014 03:21 PM (gmeXX)
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We have been in that shithole since Iraq invaded Kuwait. We never left. And the world is a safer place because of it but we are throwing it all away.
Posted by: Mr. Pete Knut at June 10, 2014 03:11 PM (g6ZDl)
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At least under Bush, the ME saw a part of the destructive power of our military. And leaving those assets in place with occasional forays to put down any ideas the jihadis had of taking over seemed to work.
It was a safer world with us esconced in the ME. Now, not so much.
I knew it was a mistake to leave Iraq. And I didn't give a damn about nation-building. Just that we were there to remind the savages that any thoughts of hurting the US or it's allies would be a very bad idea.
Posted by: Mr. Pete Knut at June 10, 2014 03:11 PM (g6ZDl)
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At least under Bush, the ME saw a part of the destructive power of our military. And leaving those assets in place with occasional forays to put down any ideas the jihadis had of taking over seemed to work.
It was a safer world with us esconced in the ME. Now, not so much.
I knew it was a mistake to leave Iraq. And I didn't give a damn about nation-building. Just that we were there to remind the savages that any thoughts of hurting the US or it's allies would be a very bad idea.
Posted by: Soona at June 10, 2014 03:21 PM (zwoky)
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For decades Warren Beatty threatened to enter politics but it never happened. I can't see Clooney making good on his threats either.
Posted by: Abdullah Bergdahl at June 10, 2014 03:22 PM (lJm99)
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I do. Great men and women died to stabilize Iraq. Was it all for nothing?
Posted by: SH at June 10, 2014 03:21 PM (gmeXX)
Yes
Posted by: SH at June 10, 2014 03:21 PM (gmeXX)
Yes
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at June 10, 2014 03:22 PM (R8hU8)
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Unfortunately AlextheChick with all of this nation's industries more complex than flipping burgers or serving coffee outsourced to other nations, we have to take an interest.
Heaven forbid the LIV at Starbucks not getting their latest iPhone because the world has gone in the loo...
Heaven forbid the LIV at Starbucks not getting their latest iPhone because the world has gone in the loo...
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 10, 2014 03:22 PM (flLTe)
Posted by: EC at June 10, 2014 03:23 PM (GQ8sn)
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ATC - I agree, let's not fret over the politics of it. For one, I don't think we will see many people advocate a different strategy. In fact, if Obama were to suggest boots on the ground, I think many in the GOP would question it. But besides the politics, it is just the wrong thing to do.
Posted by: SH at June 10, 2014 03:23 PM (gmeXX)
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We do still need to declare war on Iran. They are the nexus. As I always note, Declaring war doesn't require that an Armored Division invade them, it simply suspends the normal practices of nations. We can seize any and all of their assets within our reach, detain their nationals, blow up their refining and oil production facilities, knock out their electricity etc. All without setting a boot in Iran itself.
Posted by: toby928(C) at June 10, 2014 03:23 PM (QupBk)
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Posted by: Soona at June 10, 2014 03:21 PM (zwoky)
Yes. And that presence has its positive ancillary effects without the conscious effort of 'nation building'
Yes. And that presence has its positive ancillary effects without the conscious effort of 'nation building'
Posted by: Mr. Pete Knut at June 10, 2014 03:24 PM (g6ZDl)
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The Iraqi forces in Mosul, though well armed, dropped their weapons, duty stations, and uniforms and headed for the hills at the first sign of serious trouble.
Sounds like a repeat of Gulf Wars I and II. Maybe they can blame the French.
Sounds like a repeat of Gulf Wars I and II. Maybe they can blame the French.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 10, 2014 03:24 PM (bdHl6)
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I touched it and it turned to shit? Oh well, par for the course.
Posted by: Hussein the Magnificent at June 10, 2014 03:24 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: effit at June 10, 2014 03:24 PM (O1tfJ)
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The Ukraine is weak!
Posted by: toby928(C) at June 10, 2014 03:16 PM (QupBk)
Russia and China would help the effort while China conquers the east and Russia moves to dominate the arctic. They'd probably threaten Alaska and Canada just to keep the American's further distracted. They'd also help invaders from the south carve up the southern U.S.
Wouldn't that be something. England again trying to stand alone.
They wouldn't be able to do it, but...
Posted by: toby928(C) at June 10, 2014 03:16 PM (QupBk)
Russia and China would help the effort while China conquers the east and Russia moves to dominate the arctic. They'd probably threaten Alaska and Canada just to keep the American's further distracted. They'd also help invaders from the south carve up the southern U.S.
Wouldn't that be something. England again trying to stand alone.
They wouldn't be able to do it, but...
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at June 10, 2014 03:24 PM (BZAd3)
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maybe this would be a lesson to the GOP to fucking defend the message. That includes:
protecting voting class, donor class, and nascent pols from vicious DNC assaults (now with SWAT teams as heavily armed as those units that fought in Iraq)
get some of our rich pukes to fund chairs in PR schools in big universities so that there are trained PR types able to defend the message.
Because this is all because the 43rd president was unable or unwilling to call out the terrible DNC for its treasonous attitudes.*
*also because he too was an open borders nutjob that let the country get flooded with democrats.
protecting voting class, donor class, and nascent pols from vicious DNC assaults (now with SWAT teams as heavily armed as those units that fought in Iraq)
get some of our rich pukes to fund chairs in PR schools in big universities so that there are trained PR types able to defend the message.
Because this is all because the 43rd president was unable or unwilling to call out the terrible DNC for its treasonous attitudes.*
*also because he too was an open borders nutjob that let the country get flooded with democrats.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at June 10, 2014 03:24 PM (g4of5)
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Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 10, 2014 03:24 PM (PYAXX)
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Remember how Reagan was a horrible person for helping both sides in the Iran/Iraq war of the 1980s?
Posted by: mallfly at June 10, 2014 03:24 PM (zjcTL)
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I guess this is what Obama meant when he said that Putin was invading Ukraine out of weakness because Obama can't hold on to a country.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at June 10, 2014 03:25 PM (g4of5)
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@188
Yes, pretty much.
We did manage to update our gorilla warfare manuals and tactics with real world experience, but other than that it was all for nothing.
Yes, pretty much.
We did manage to update our gorilla warfare manuals and tactics with real world experience, but other than that it was all for nothing.
Posted by: Kreplach at June 10, 2014 03:25 PM (aaMR2)
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We know that TFG dooms virtually everything he touches.
How many companies did he say were succeeding & then they went belly up within months?
Pakistan is about to attack Taliban insurgents that attacked airport.
Let them all kill each other over in the ME & leave Israel to take over.
How many companies did he say were succeeding & then they went belly up within months?
Pakistan is about to attack Taliban insurgents that attacked airport.
Let them all kill each other over in the ME & leave Israel to take over.
Posted by: Carol at June 10, 2014 03:25 PM (gjOCp)
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da Zero has perfected the reverse Midas touch. I hope he likes shit.
Posted by: maddogg at June 10, 2014 03:25 PM (xWW96)
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>>>>Nation building; how does it work?
That's easy. Kill everyone that matters. Burn it down. Scatter the ashes. Salt the ground. Install a quasi-divine Governor and crucify anyone that won't burn incense in his honor. Build roads and a wall if you have to.
>>>>Nation building; how does it work?
That's easy. Kill everyone that matters. Burn it down. Scatter the ashes. Salt the ground. Install a quasi-divine Governor and crucify anyone that won't burn incense in his honor. Build roads and a wall if you have to.
Posted by: The Romans at June 10, 2014 03:25 PM (3ZtZW)
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A small bit of European history people forget about was the mass movement of ethnic populations after WW II. Germans in Poland back to Germany. Poles in Lviv back to Poland. (Lviv used to be a hotly contested city between Poles, Ukrainians, and others.)
Just imagine if poles had remained in Lviv, you could have Russia and Poland pull a reverse Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and divide Ukraine.
In fact, moving those populations around, reduced tensions. Now, the new tensions are because Russians moved into some areas during the USSR times...
Just imagine if poles had remained in Lviv, you could have Russia and Poland pull a reverse Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and divide Ukraine.
In fact, moving those populations around, reduced tensions. Now, the new tensions are because Russians moved into some areas during the USSR times...
Posted by: sexypig at June 10, 2014 03:25 PM (dZQh7)
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Look on a map.....
If we'd have experienced combat forces still in Iraq.... and experienced combat forces still in Afghan....... we'd have two Armies on each border of Iran.
Think they'd still be spinning Uranium today???
Posted by: fixerupper at June 10, 2014 03:19 PM (nELVU)
Yes. I say that because the end goal of the Iranians, at least the crazed loons in charge, is not the establishment of a strong nation state such as India. It is the destruction of everyone else in order to bring about the 12th Imam. The destruction of Iran during that process is an acceptable loss. Thus that type of deterrent doesn't deter them.
Oh I was thinking the other day that I think I'm going to move Pakistan going all glowy glowy on India back into my dark horse position for what ignites the next hot global war. Were I the one with my finger on the button over there, I would be thinking that now would be the perfect time to let slip the dogs of war, what with everyone be all oh noes Putin! Oh noes Afghanistan! Oh noes Japan and China!
BOOM
If we'd have experienced combat forces still in Iraq.... and experienced combat forces still in Afghan....... we'd have two Armies on each border of Iran.
Think they'd still be spinning Uranium today???
Posted by: fixerupper at June 10, 2014 03:19 PM (nELVU)
Yes. I say that because the end goal of the Iranians, at least the crazed loons in charge, is not the establishment of a strong nation state such as India. It is the destruction of everyone else in order to bring about the 12th Imam. The destruction of Iran during that process is an acceptable loss. Thus that type of deterrent doesn't deter them.
Oh I was thinking the other day that I think I'm going to move Pakistan going all glowy glowy on India back into my dark horse position for what ignites the next hot global war. Were I the one with my finger on the button over there, I would be thinking that now would be the perfect time to let slip the dogs of war, what with everyone be all oh noes Putin! Oh noes Afghanistan! Oh noes Japan and China!
BOOM
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at June 10, 2014 03:26 PM (mf5HN)
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172 "man, obama is going to pissed when he reads about it tonight on the shitter."
Don't you have to care to become pissed?
Don't you have to care to become pissed?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 10, 2014 03:26 PM (HVff2)
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I just read at The Weekly Standard blog that there are approximately
380 people for Shrillary's first book signing at B N.Posted by: Carol
at June 10, 2014 03:17 PM (gjOCp)
So about 375 hangers on/members of the MFM and the store staff? Bigger turnout than I'd have guessed.
380 people for Shrillary's first book signing at B N.Posted by: Carol
at June 10, 2014 03:17 PM (gjOCp)
So about 375 hangers on/members of the MFM and the store staff? Bigger turnout than I'd have guessed.
Posted by: mugiwara at June 10, 2014 03:26 PM (D5hxK)
Posted by: Chupacabras at June 10, 2014 03:27 PM (5npD/)
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in fact, this is Al Qaeda fighting Nasra
this is islam on islam
Al Qaeda wants its own state an oil rich state
turkey was backing them to keep the PKK from risng to power in Syria but they have turned to Northern Iraq
PKK are kurdish communists and turkey's terrorists
this is islam on islam
Al Qaeda wants its own state an oil rich state
turkey was backing them to keep the PKK from risng to power in Syria but they have turned to Northern Iraq
PKK are kurdish communists and turkey's terrorists
Posted by: thunderb at June 10, 2014 03:27 PM (zOTsN)
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and, hopefully, giving the Kurds their own state as well) is probably the only stable solution
That is not a stable solution.
It is most likely a non-starter. It would embolden the Kurds living in Turkey and Iran to want to join up and create the greater Kurdistan, and both those states (as well as Armenia) will oppose those efforts.
As long as the Iraqi Kurds are suborned to the Iraqi state, those other countries can breath easier. Turkey will not willingly give up a large swath of its territory to build this new state.
and, hopefully, giving the Kurds their own state as well) is probably the only stable solution
That is not a stable solution.
It is most likely a non-starter. It would embolden the Kurds living in Turkey and Iran to want to join up and create the greater Kurdistan, and both those states (as well as Armenia) will oppose those efforts.
As long as the Iraqi Kurds are suborned to the Iraqi state, those other countries can breath easier. Turkey will not willingly give up a large swath of its territory to build this new state.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at June 10, 2014 03:27 PM (1hM1d)
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OBAMA WANTS AN ALL-ISLAMIST MIDDLE EAST.
Nothing else explains Egypt, Libya, Syria, and now his full-bore abandonment of Afghanistan and Iraq.
Nothing else explains Egypt, Libya, Syria, and now his full-bore abandonment of Afghanistan and Iraq.
Posted by: --- at June 10, 2014 03:28 PM (MMC8r)
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@188
The correct question is, is it worth losing more?
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And the answer that even the GOP would give is No.
The correct question is, is it worth losing more?
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And the answer that even the GOP would give is No.
Posted by: SH at June 10, 2014 03:28 PM (gmeXX)
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"Just that we were there to remind the savages that any thoughts of hurting the US or it's allies would be a very bad idea.
Posted by: Soona"
Yea, well did Bush go at Iraq in retaliation for 9/11, or was it done to look like we were retaliating for 9/11. Because these are different things.
My guess is the latter, and I think looking at the fallout from it bears this as true.
Posted by: Soona"
Yea, well did Bush go at Iraq in retaliation for 9/11, or was it done to look like we were retaliating for 9/11. Because these are different things.
My guess is the latter, and I think looking at the fallout from it bears this as true.
Posted by: Simon White-Thatch Potentloins at June 10, 2014 03:28 PM (NnjE8)
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BTW, the failure in Mosul probably was because of intel failure.
I really doubt ISIS has tons of troops. They probably have most of the good Iraqi forces pinned down "besieging" Fallujah - a dumb move copied from America (we had better reasons as we are not "locals" - and then the run a bunch of guys at Mosul.
Maybe ISIS is hardened from Syria.
I really doubt ISIS has tons of troops. They probably have most of the good Iraqi forces pinned down "besieging" Fallujah - a dumb move copied from America (we had better reasons as we are not "locals" - and then the run a bunch of guys at Mosul.
Maybe ISIS is hardened from Syria.
Posted by: sexypig at June 10, 2014 03:28 PM (dZQh7)
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>>>>Nation building; how does it work?
That's easy. Kill everyone that matters. Burn it down. Scatter the ashes. Salt the ground. Install a quasi-divine Governor and crucify anyone that won't burn incense in his honor. Build roads and a wall if you have to.
Posted by: The Romans at June 10, 2014 03:25 PM (3ZtZW)
See, it's easy. No need to reinvent the wheel.
Stick to the script and everything will work out.
That's easy. Kill everyone that matters. Burn it down. Scatter the ashes. Salt the ground. Install a quasi-divine Governor and crucify anyone that won't burn incense in his honor. Build roads and a wall if you have to.
Posted by: The Romans at June 10, 2014 03:25 PM (3ZtZW)
See, it's easy. No need to reinvent the wheel.
Stick to the script and everything will work out.
Posted by: jwest at June 10, 2014 03:28 PM (u2a4R)
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Fucking idiot.
Posted by: Stew, Squash, and Binge, LLC at June 10, 2014 02:59 PM (qjk5v)
It really does not matter if the Rats supported Bush or not. Nation building is not doable. Where has it worked where it was not proceeded by total destruction and unconditional surrender.
Since you don't know I'll tell you. Nowhere that's where.
So my fine talking twat, do you still believe that nation building was a good idea. Apparently you do.
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at June 10, 2014 03:09 PM (fcNe2)
You can't handle the truth. Obama is about to give away Japan you ignorant arrogant piece of shit.
You take total destruction off the table and this is what we get, you stupid pussy.
If you are going to war with somebody, you have to destroy them totally, otherwise you have just made another enemy. War isn't a faggot slap fight.
If you are going to war, you nuke'm, conquer them, and educate them the same way you train a fucking dog. If it take a hundred years. But you're too squeamish.
Fucking idiot.
Posted by: Stew, Squash, and Binge, LLC at June 10, 2014 02:59 PM (qjk5v)
It really does not matter if the Rats supported Bush or not. Nation building is not doable. Where has it worked where it was not proceeded by total destruction and unconditional surrender.
Since you don't know I'll tell you. Nowhere that's where.
So my fine talking twat, do you still believe that nation building was a good idea. Apparently you do.
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at June 10, 2014 03:09 PM (fcNe2)
You can't handle the truth. Obama is about to give away Japan you ignorant arrogant piece of shit.
You take total destruction off the table and this is what we get, you stupid pussy.
If you are going to war with somebody, you have to destroy them totally, otherwise you have just made another enemy. War isn't a faggot slap fight.
If you are going to war, you nuke'm, conquer them, and educate them the same way you train a fucking dog. If it take a hundred years. But you're too squeamish.
Posted by: Stew, Squash, and Binge, LLC at June 10, 2014 03:28 PM (bqRQ0)
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lol atDrudge headline, 40% off the book already.Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at June 10, 2014 03:19 PM (rXcBX) ..........Just have to release my next book "My Plastic Surgery Nightmares".
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re 201: hard to win when most of the national news media is almost always on the other party's side. And one can only wonder how many Repubs will pull a Charlie Crist is Cruz gets the nomination in 2016; I suspect many of the would Crist-off if Gingrich got the nomination, and he can claim most of the credit for what happened after the start of 1995.
Posted by: mallfly at June 10, 2014 03:28 PM (zjcTL)
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Yeah, but where are the sex slaves and hashtags. Its not real until there are hashtags and sex slaves in burkas.
Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at June 10, 2014 03:28 PM (oDCMR)
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This is a dangerous topic for the GOP, because they will naturally argue
we should be part of this fight, and the American public is strongly against that.
Yes, and no.
The GOP would be quite consistent to say: "Had the SCOAMT succeeded in securing a Status of Forces agreement with the government of Iraq, American resources would have been available to prevent these events.
However, since we do not have that SoF with Iraq, this is outside our realm of control."
we should be part of this fight, and the American public is strongly against that.
Yes, and no.
The GOP would be quite consistent to say: "Had the SCOAMT succeeded in securing a Status of Forces agreement with the government of Iraq, American resources would have been available to prevent these events.
However, since we do not have that SoF with Iraq, this is outside our realm of control."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 10, 2014 03:29 PM (PYAXX)
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The Turks we had during the Korean war were bad motherfuckers.
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at June 10, 2014 03:17 PM (R8hU
The Turks won't be the Turks anymore. They'll be part of the caliphate and so will all of Europe eventually.
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at June 10, 2014 03:17 PM (R8hU
The Turks won't be the Turks anymore. They'll be part of the caliphate and so will all of Europe eventually.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at June 10, 2014 03:29 PM (BZAd3)
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In a sense, isn't this the story of Obama?
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at June 10, 2014 03:29 PM (p4vr9)
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WH Mocks Ted Cruz for Blaming Influx of Illegal Immigrants on Obama 'Lawlessness'
For once the WH is right.
For once the WH is right.
Posted by: effit at June 10, 2014 03:29 PM (O1tfJ)
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Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at June 10, 2014 03:18 PM (mf5HN)
Rand Paul 2016 -- You might as well get on board, you've summed up his position pretty well.
Rand Paul 2016 -- You might as well get on board, you've summed up his position pretty well.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 10, 2014 03:30 PM (bdHl6)
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Burn it down. Scatter the ashes. Salt the ground.
Excuse me!
No.
It goes:
Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.
Do try to keep up.
Excuse me!
No.
It goes:
Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.
Do try to keep up.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 10, 2014 03:30 PM (PYAXX)
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and nobody actually enjoys being under the control of ISIS. AQ's leader actually admonished them for being too radical!
This is why civvies were fleeing Mosul.
This is why civvies were fleeing Mosul.
Posted by: sexypig at June 10, 2014 03:30 PM (dZQh7)
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By the time this country realizes it's being invaded the invasion will be over. It started years ago and is just now picking up speed.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at June 10, 2014 03:31 PM (BZAd3)
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I'm really really mad about this. Really mad. Two tours I waited and wondered and prayed and cried and worried. Sick with worry. For this? THIS ??
Posted by: grammie winger at June 10, 2014 03:31 PM (oMKp3)
Posted by: thunderb at June 10, 2014 03:31 PM (zOTsN)
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233 I'm really really mad about this. Really mad. Two tours I waited and wondered and prayed and cried and worried. Sick with worry. For this? THIS ??
Welcome to Vietnam part two.
Welcome to Vietnam part two.
Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at June 10, 2014 03:32 PM (oDCMR)
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154 I always argued that we should've gone after Iran before we went after Iraq. Iran declared war on us in 1980.
Posted by: Iblis at June 10, 2014 03:14 PM (9221z)
I always thought the "secret plan" was to surround Iran with western-style pro-America democracies in Iraq and Afghanistan, then wait for the revolution in Iran to bring down that regime. Not even the craziest of the neocons wanteda straight-up invasion of Iran. Way too difficult and the Iranians were too well trained and armed.
I also think that Saddam was backing bin Laden and probably directly supported the 9/11 operation. I know what the 9/11 Commission report said, but all you have to do is look at it logically and see that the most likely scenario was Saddam wanting to make a spectacular attack on America (he already tried to assassinate George H. W. Bush in retaliation for getting his ass thrown out of Kuwait) andpaying bin Laden to do it. So that's why I fully supported an operation to take out Saddam and his crazy sons, but I never supported the full occupation of Iraq.
I do not think it is a coincidence that there have been no AQ attacks on the US since Saddam was taken out.
Posted by: Iblis at June 10, 2014 03:14 PM (9221z)
I always thought the "secret plan" was to surround Iran with western-style pro-America democracies in Iraq and Afghanistan, then wait for the revolution in Iran to bring down that regime. Not even the craziest of the neocons wanteda straight-up invasion of Iran. Way too difficult and the Iranians were too well trained and armed.
I also think that Saddam was backing bin Laden and probably directly supported the 9/11 operation. I know what the 9/11 Commission report said, but all you have to do is look at it logically and see that the most likely scenario was Saddam wanting to make a spectacular attack on America (he already tried to assassinate George H. W. Bush in retaliation for getting his ass thrown out of Kuwait) andpaying bin Laden to do it. So that's why I fully supported an operation to take out Saddam and his crazy sons, but I never supported the full occupation of Iraq.
I do not think it is a coincidence that there have been no AQ attacks on the US since Saddam was taken out.
Posted by: rockmom who is a dumbass sometimes at June 10, 2014 03:32 PM (aBlZ1)
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For once the WH is right.
Err... huh? How so?
The White House's lawless stance on... oh, the border isn't responsible for the sudden up-surge in illegal immigration?
Or are you simply saying it is not solely responsible? Because GOPe calls for Amnesty are to blame, too.
Err... huh? How so?
The White House's lawless stance on... oh, the border isn't responsible for the sudden up-surge in illegal immigration?
Or are you simply saying it is not solely responsible? Because GOPe calls for Amnesty are to blame, too.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 10, 2014 03:32 PM (PYAXX)
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Boys I knew died ?? For this??? I am so mad I could scream.
Posted by: grammie winger at June 10, 2014 03:32 PM (oMKp3)
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A judge issued a tentative ruling Tuesday that found California's public school teacher tenure laws unconstitutional after hearing testimony from students who claimed the job protections made it virtually impossible to dismiss low-performing teachers.
Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Rolf Treu cited the landmark equal protection ruling in Brown v. Board of Education, claiming that all students are entitled to equal education. The current laws create a situation in which minority and low-income students are discriminated against when ineffective teachers are placed in their schools.
Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Rolf Treu cited the landmark equal protection ruling in Brown v. Board of Education, claiming that all students are entitled to equal education. The current laws create a situation in which minority and low-income students are discriminated against when ineffective teachers are placed in their schools.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Dude at June 10, 2014 03:32 PM (cJSqL)
Posted by: navybrat at June 10, 2014 03:32 PM (JgC5a)
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Overthrowing Saddam was the right thing to do. Unfortunately you can't prove ' what the consequences would have been' if we had not invaded Iraq. You can only have supposition .
Posted by: Mr. Pete Knut at June 10, 2014 03:33 PM (g6ZDl)
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You will not find a bigger Zionist than me. And I don't see being a Zionist and a loyal American being at odds. But I digress. And I see no hope for the Middle East and I fear for the future of Israel. And if Israel goes down, they will not go quietly into that good night
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 10, 2014 03:33 PM (t3UFN)
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Wow, hadjis storming Monsul and Mexicans storming America - its like a movie.
Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at June 10, 2014 03:33 PM (oDCMR)
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Hey, by trading 5 brown men for one white man, wasn't Obama actually saying that 5 brown men are equal in worth to one white man?
There you have it. Irrefutable proof that Obama is a rayciss.
There you have it. Irrefutable proof that Obama is a rayciss.
Posted by: Citizen X at June 10, 2014 03:33 PM (7ObY1)
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Posted by: grammie winger at June 10, 2014 03:32 PM (oMKp3)
Do you need some excess profanity? AtC was kind enough to give me some last week, and I didn't quite use it all.
Do you need some excess profanity? AtC was kind enough to give me some last week, and I didn't quite use it all.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 10, 2014 03:33 PM (PYAXX)
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40% off is going to be a struggle.
Posted by: Hillarrhoid at June 10, 2014 03:34 PM (wAQA5)
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Oh I was thinking the other day that I think I'm going to move Pakistan going all glowy glowy on India back into my dark horse position for what ignites the next hot global war. Were I the one with my finger on the button over there, I would be thinking that now would be the perfect time to let slip the dogs of war, what with everyone be all oh noes Putin! Oh noes Afghanistan! Oh noes Japan and China! BOOM
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at June 10, 2014 03:26 PM (mf5HN)
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The strategery needs some work, but I love the mindset.
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at June 10, 2014 03:26 PM (mf5HN)
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The strategery needs some work, but I love the mindset.
Posted by: Soona at June 10, 2014 03:34 PM (zwoky)
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Rand Paul 2016 -- You might as well get on board, you've summed up his position pretty well.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 10, 2014 03:30 PM (bdHl6)
Oh, trust me, I know how perilously close to his father's position that is. Yes, that bothers me.
There is no perfect answer because the world is made of imperfect beings.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 10, 2014 03:30 PM (bdHl6)
Oh, trust me, I know how perilously close to his father's position that is. Yes, that bothers me.
There is no perfect answer because the world is made of imperfect beings.
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at June 10, 2014 03:34 PM (mf5HN)
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Way to go obama. You managed to lose two wars ,make Libya more dangerous, embolden Russia, Syria, and Iran and release 5 of the worst terrorists.....
Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at June 10, 2014 03:34 PM (9+ccr)
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Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Rolf Treu cited the landmark
equal protection ruling in Brown v. Board of Education, claiming that
all students are entitled to equal education. The current laws create a
situation in which minority and low-income students are discriminated
against when ineffective teachers are placed in their schools.
Okay... who's got the popcorn.
The Snake just started eating its tail...
equal protection ruling in Brown v. Board of Education, claiming that
all students are entitled to equal education. The current laws create a
situation in which minority and low-income students are discriminated
against when ineffective teachers are placed in their schools.
Okay... who's got the popcorn.
The Snake just started eating its tail...
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 10, 2014 03:34 PM (PYAXX)
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Do you know, Barack, what people have gone through for this? Do you know or care ??
Posted by: grammie winger at June 10, 2014 03:34 PM (oMKp3)
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I gotta go cool off before I get arrested.
Posted by: Stew, Squash, and Binge, LLC at June 10, 2014 03:35 PM (bqRQ0)
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**On the Politics: This is a dangerous topic for the GOP, because they will naturally argue we should be part of this fight, and the American public is strongly against that.**
Somewhere in the last twenty years, the Republican Party decided it can only react to polls, instead of mobilizing public opinion. At that point, the whole apparat became disposable.
**Conjuring images of a GOP foreign policy in which America's best and bravest are back patrolling the streets of f*cking Fallujah is a guaranteed loss in 2016.**
Oh, I'm sure it will sweep the decks of cowardly, running-dog yellow GOP whores in 2014 too.
We are talking about guys in trucks, with rifles, and a few mortars, and MGs. Slaughter them from the air until they disperse, and then hit them with mechanized infantry. Kill half of them. Make it clear they can't dare take the field again.
I was told our Airborne divisions could be deployed worldwide within 48 hours. OK, put them in a port & airfield in Southern Iraq. Bring over a few squadrons of ground attack aircraft, and start bombing Al Qaeda into hiding again. Get some armor over there, and start forming up the Iraqi army to stand, then counterattack.
The center-Left GOP is putting out some very dangerous ideas. One is, we're not going to fight Al Qaeda where it kills people in broad daylight. Second, the United States is just too weak and cowardly to fight off invading infantry, anywhere. When did we vote for that?
If you're going to be as weak, as feckless, as useless, as whiny as Jimmy Carter, you can join him out of office. It's not what America needs, and we're not going to say otherwise to spare you.
Somewhere in the last twenty years, the Republican Party decided it can only react to polls, instead of mobilizing public opinion. At that point, the whole apparat became disposable.
**Conjuring images of a GOP foreign policy in which America's best and bravest are back patrolling the streets of f*cking Fallujah is a guaranteed loss in 2016.**
Oh, I'm sure it will sweep the decks of cowardly, running-dog yellow GOP whores in 2014 too.
We are talking about guys in trucks, with rifles, and a few mortars, and MGs. Slaughter them from the air until they disperse, and then hit them with mechanized infantry. Kill half of them. Make it clear they can't dare take the field again.
I was told our Airborne divisions could be deployed worldwide within 48 hours. OK, put them in a port & airfield in Southern Iraq. Bring over a few squadrons of ground attack aircraft, and start bombing Al Qaeda into hiding again. Get some armor over there, and start forming up the Iraqi army to stand, then counterattack.
The center-Left GOP is putting out some very dangerous ideas. One is, we're not going to fight Al Qaeda where it kills people in broad daylight. Second, the United States is just too weak and cowardly to fight off invading infantry, anywhere. When did we vote for that?
If you're going to be as weak, as feckless, as useless, as whiny as Jimmy Carter, you can join him out of office. It's not what America needs, and we're not going to say otherwise to spare you.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 10, 2014 03:35 PM (HZLYB)
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I'll have you all know that I am enjoying all of your hateful comments.
I am going to print out screenshots of your radical white power comments and roll them up and stick them up my bum, and then pretend it's Obama's dick.
Cool story, bro.
I am going to print out screenshots of your radical white power comments and roll them up and stick them up my bum, and then pretend it's Obama's dick.
Cool story, bro.
Posted by: Democratic Recrooter at June 10, 2014 03:35 PM (7ObY1)
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"... job protections made it virtually impossible to dismiss low-performing teachers."
It's too bad so many people don't believe in vouchers.
It's too bad so many people don't believe in vouchers.
Posted by: jwest at June 10, 2014 03:35 PM (u2a4R)
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245 Posted by: grammie winger at June 10, 2014 03:32 PM (oMKp3)
Do you need some excess profanity? AtC was kind enough to give me some last week, and I didn't quite use it all.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 10, 2014 03:33 PM (PYAXX)
I don't swear, but I'm getting really really close . I'm spitting mad.
Do you need some excess profanity? AtC was kind enough to give me some last week, and I didn't quite use it all.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 10, 2014 03:33 PM (PYAXX)
I don't swear, but I'm getting really really close . I'm spitting mad.
Posted by: grammie winger at June 10, 2014 03:36 PM (oMKp3)
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251 Do you know, Barack, what people have gone through for this? Do you know or care ??
Gramie, Barack is black which makes your question all rayciss.
Gramie, Barack is black which makes your question all rayciss.
Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at June 10, 2014 03:36 PM (oDCMR)
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There is no perfect answer because the world is made of imperfect beings.
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at June 10, 2014 03:34 PM (mf5HN)
Pffft. Speak for yourself.
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at June 10, 2014 03:34 PM (mf5HN)
Pffft. Speak for yourself.
Posted by: Teh Won at June 10, 2014 03:36 PM (D5hxK)
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Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Rolf Treu
Last time I treuly rolfed, it was because I washed down Mighty Taco burritos with Valu-Rite vodka.
Last time I treuly rolfed, it was because I washed down Mighty Taco burritos with Valu-Rite vodka.
Posted by: Citizen X at June 10, 2014 03:36 PM (7ObY1)
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12er Shiites, like Christians, believe their true imam is sequestered in Heaven. Local authorities don't have the right to do much about religion except protect it. This is why unlike Sunnis, the Shia religious leaders call himselves anything except imam.
The problem with Khomeini is that he (blasphemously) expanded the wilaya of Shiism to the jurists. Which meant Khomeini.
This corrupted the 12ers in Iraq too, because now they can't be trusted to keep some mullah's hands off the state either.
The problem with Khomeini is that he (blasphemously) expanded the wilaya of Shiism to the jurists. Which meant Khomeini.
This corrupted the 12ers in Iraq too, because now they can't be trusted to keep some mullah's hands off the state either.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at June 10, 2014 03:36 PM (D6X41)
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And cue John McCain to start screaming about going back in 5,4,3..........
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 10, 2014 03:36 PM (OWjjx)
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The Turks we had during the Korean war were bad motherfuckers.
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at June 10, 2014 03:17 PM (R8hU
Read my previous paragraph: WE had them / led them in limited roles. They seem to like using knives on the enemy--maybe they no shoot so good, or they just like using knives to carve people up.
For interesting insights into Turks, talk to Greeks.
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at June 10, 2014 03:17 PM (R8hU
Read my previous paragraph: WE had them / led them in limited roles. They seem to like using knives on the enemy--maybe they no shoot so good, or they just like using knives to carve people up.
For interesting insights into Turks, talk to Greeks.
Posted by: doug the head at June 10, 2014 03:37 PM (8CdUx)
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216 OBAMA WANTS AN ALL-ISLAMIST MIDDLE EAST. Nothing else explains Egypt, Libya, Syria, and now his full-bore abandonment of Afghanistan and Iraq.
Posted by: --- at June 10, 2014 03:28 PM (MMC8r)
Duh! Isn't this obvious? He wants Israel surrounded with islamist states so it will be forced to surrender. He wants Iran to have The Bomb so he can force Israel into a negotiated peace with Iran with mutual disarmament. he is a 1980s-trained leftist ideologue who believes Israel is the source of all instability in the Middle East, and America must be humiliated for its support of Israel.
Why is the Khalidi tape still under lock and key?
Posted by: --- at June 10, 2014 03:28 PM (MMC8r)
Duh! Isn't this obvious? He wants Israel surrounded with islamist states so it will be forced to surrender. He wants Iran to have The Bomb so he can force Israel into a negotiated peace with Iran with mutual disarmament. he is a 1980s-trained leftist ideologue who believes Israel is the source of all instability in the Middle East, and America must be humiliated for its support of Israel.
Why is the Khalidi tape still under lock and key?
Posted by: rockmom at June 10, 2014 03:37 PM (aBlZ1)
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"Overthrowing Saddam was the right thing to do.
Unfortunately you can't prove ' what the consequences would have been'
if we had not invaded Iraq. You can only have supposition .
Posted by: Mr. Pete Knut"
Disagree. Now I think what you really mean is 'Overthrowing Saddam was the good thing to do', which I agree with. But again, should we have is a different question, and asking it at this time isn't even meaningful.
When do we start to clean up our own shit? We have real problems here. That's what worries me, not what these fucks in ME are doing to their camels and little boys.
Unfortunately you can't prove ' what the consequences would have been'
if we had not invaded Iraq. You can only have supposition .
Posted by: Mr. Pete Knut"
Disagree. Now I think what you really mean is 'Overthrowing Saddam was the good thing to do', which I agree with. But again, should we have is a different question, and asking it at this time isn't even meaningful.
When do we start to clean up our own shit? We have real problems here. That's what worries me, not what these fucks in ME are doing to their camels and little boys.
Posted by: Simon White-Thatch Potentloins at June 10, 2014 03:37 PM (NnjE8)
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Grammie is right. I understand the frustration people feel and how quickly we just want to say who cares at this point. And going forward, it doesn't really matter how we got here, all that matters is that we do what is in our country's strategic best interest.
But we must ask why we got here. The reason it is relevant is because we sacrificed blood and treasure (some much more than others). That is why we should care. Now maybe the blame ultimately lies with Bush. I disagree, but I don't begrudge people who think that. But the fact is that we paid a price for the stability of Iraq and it was basically stabilized. We will never know how it would have turned out. But it matters. And I am left wondering if it was all for nothing. Sadly, the answer appears to be yes.
But we must ask why we got here. The reason it is relevant is because we sacrificed blood and treasure (some much more than others). That is why we should care. Now maybe the blame ultimately lies with Bush. I disagree, but I don't begrudge people who think that. But the fact is that we paid a price for the stability of Iraq and it was basically stabilized. We will never know how it would have turned out. But it matters. And I am left wondering if it was all for nothing. Sadly, the answer appears to be yes.
Posted by: SH at June 10, 2014 03:37 PM (gmeXX)
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or Kurds. Lotsa laughs there. Interesting times...
Posted by: doug the head at June 10, 2014 03:37 PM (8CdUx)
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better to have islamacist vs islamacist
thats what this is now
let Turkey deal with the monster they fed, hoping they would be eaten last
thats what this is now
let Turkey deal with the monster they fed, hoping they would be eaten last
Posted by: thunderb at June 10, 2014 03:38 PM (zOTsN)
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I always thought the "secret plan" was to surround Iran with western-style pro-America democracies in Iraq and Afghanistan, then wait for the revolution in Iran to bring down that regime. Not even the craziest of the neocons wanteda straight-up invasion of Iran. Way too difficult and the Iranians were too well trained and armed.
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Remember the uprising in Iran right after Dear Leader took office? Remember that Dear Leader didand said absolutely nothing to help them?
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Remember the uprising in Iran right after Dear Leader took office? Remember that Dear Leader didand said absolutely nothing to help them?
Posted by: Soona at June 10, 2014 03:38 PM (zwoky)
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I don't have time for this while we are being invaded from the South and forced to pay them retributions for allowing them to do so!
Posted by: Rob in Katy at June 10, 2014 03:39 PM (gdGJ1)
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If I were the Russians, this is how I would calculate things will unfold in the middle east. I would counsel the muzzies to leave Israel alone until all of Africa and southern and eastern Europe were dealt with.
Once all of that has happened, and the muzzies have done all of the fighting for Russia and China, I would then tell them to go after Israel, knowing that Israel will nuke the fuck out of the middle east and weaken the muzzies enough to move in on the area that had already been conquered.
Russia would control all of Europe. China would control all of Asia, and they'd probably squabble over Africa.
Once all of that has happened, and the muzzies have done all of the fighting for Russia and China, I would then tell them to go after Israel, knowing that Israel will nuke the fuck out of the middle east and weaken the muzzies enough to move in on the area that had already been conquered.
Russia would control all of Europe. China would control all of Asia, and they'd probably squabble over Africa.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at June 10, 2014 03:39 PM (BZAd3)
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Grammie I'm sickened by this too. A Friend of mines only Child was killed in Iraq. What's happening now is bringing the pain back to Her..
Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at June 10, 2014 03:40 PM (9+ccr)
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The last action from us should probably be to blow all those arms the fuck up. You aren't going to use them, we're not letting our enemies get them, either.
Iraqi rifles for sale, only dropped once.
Iraqi rifles for sale, only dropped once.
Posted by: Chupacabras at June 10, 2014 03:40 PM (sPO/s)
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when a Turk says "you make me crazy" that means he is about to slice and dice you
they do like big knives
they do like big knives
Posted by: thunderb at June 10, 2014 03:41 PM (zOTsN)
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It sickens me that Bush and Cheney raped Iraq for the Keystone Oil Pipeline.
Posted by: Low Information Voter at June 10, 2014 03:41 PM (pmsMR)
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If I'm China, I'm openly advocating for the reunification of Korea with the South absorbing the North.
Posted by: SH at June 10, 2014 03:41 PM (gmeXX)
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As long as the Iraqi Kurds are suborned to the Iraqi state, those other countries can breath easier. Turkey will not willingly give up a large swath of its territory to build this new state.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at June 10, 2014 03:27 PM (1hM1d)
The Turks is already doing that de facto. They have an abysmally low fertility/replacement rate, while the Kurds have some of the highest rates in the world, IIRC.
By the end of the century, the Turks will be a small minority in their own country.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at June 10, 2014 03:27 PM (1hM1d)
The Turks is already doing that de facto. They have an abysmally low fertility/replacement rate, while the Kurds have some of the highest rates in the world, IIRC.
By the end of the century, the Turks will be a small minority in their own country.
Posted by: The Political Fez at June 10, 2014 03:41 PM (K1sEu)
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You know, after his 08 election Obama described himself as a Shiva. A destroyer God. I think this goes deeper than left and right.
Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at June 10, 2014 03:41 PM (oDCMR)
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This progressive ideal of mixed ethnicities *forced* to live in harmony, even if they're slaughtering the f**k out of each other in this "harmony," is a disastrous thing.
Posted by: ace at June 10, 2014 02:52 PM (/FnUH)
But they're all brown people! That must mean they get along without the evil influence of white meanies!
Posted by: ace at June 10, 2014 02:52 PM (/FnUH)
But they're all brown people! That must mean they get along without the evil influence of white meanies!
Posted by: CM at June 10, 2014 03:42 PM (0NdlF)
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OT, but the Dems have not fielded a candidate for VA-7, meaning whoever wins the GOP primary (Cantor/Brat) will go on to Congress to represent the district.
So if you want Cantor out, this is your fucking chance.
OT, but the Dems have not fielded a candidate for VA-7, meaning whoever wins the GOP primary (Cantor/Brat) will go on to Congress to represent the district.
So if you want Cantor out, this is your fucking chance.
Posted by: @JohnTant at June 10, 2014 03:42 PM (eytER)
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Hillary book is 40% off? I hope it sells no copies.
Mark Levin said she used same title as I believe Carter's SOS, or some other lousy SOS.
Mark Levin said she used same title as I believe Carter's SOS, or some other lousy SOS.
Posted by: Carol at June 10, 2014 03:43 PM (gjOCp)
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271 Grammie I'm sickened by this too. A Friend of mines only Child was killed in Iraq. What's happening now is bringing the pain back to Her..
Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at June 10, 2014 03:40 PM (9+ccr)
Oh my goodness, that just breaks my heart. Her only child. Oh my goodness.
And president butthole cares not one bit.
Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at June 10, 2014 03:40 PM (9+ccr)
Oh my goodness, that just breaks my heart. Her only child. Oh my goodness.
And president butthole cares not one bit.
Posted by: grammie winger at June 10, 2014 03:43 PM (oMKp3)
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>>>I mentioned in an early tread. We are at a seriously dangerous tipping point and Obama and his clowns have no clue.
Enjoy the burning, like the whore said to the john
>>>I mentioned in an early tread. We are at a seriously dangerous tipping point and Obama and his clowns have no clue.
Enjoy the burning, like the whore said to the john
Posted by: The Romans at June 10, 2014 03:43 PM (3ZtZW)
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Posted by: Costanza Defense at June 10, 2014 03:12 PM (ZPrif)
I boxed when I was young and so did my son, who was two-time amateur state champion in his class, so I know a little about hitting and getting hit. From what I've seen, the UFC is nothing more than a brain damage machine: healthy young men go in, punch-drunk palookas come out, senile at 40.
I say equip UFC fighters with swords and shields, tridents and nets. At least it would be a quicker, cleaner way to go.
I boxed when I was young and so did my son, who was two-time amateur state champion in his class, so I know a little about hitting and getting hit. From what I've seen, the UFC is nothing more than a brain damage machine: healthy young men go in, punch-drunk palookas come out, senile at 40.
I say equip UFC fighters with swords and shields, tridents and nets. At least it would be a quicker, cleaner way to go.
Posted by: troyriser at June 10, 2014 03:43 PM (ptcFO)
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If I were the Russians, this is how I would calculate things will unfold in the middle east. I would counsel the muzzies to leave Israel alone until all of Africa and southern and eastern Europe were dealt with.
Once all of that has happened, and the muzzies have done all of the fighting for Russia and China, I would then tell them to go after Israel, knowing that Israel will nuke the fuck out of the middle east and weaken the muzzies enough to move in on the area that had already been conquered.
Russia would control all of Europe. China would control all of Asia, and they'd probably squabble over Africa.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at June 10, 2014 03:39 PM (BZAd3)
Yup. Russia and China are both making lovely headways into Africa.
It is interesting how Central and South America are not as obviously in play, though I wrote Central America off to the Russian back in like 1989, despite the abundance of resources there.
Note I said not as obviously in play, not that they are not in play. My speculation is that the Russian plan is to let the narcolords have it as their playground whilst Russia makes off with the oil and heavy metals.
Once all of that has happened, and the muzzies have done all of the fighting for Russia and China, I would then tell them to go after Israel, knowing that Israel will nuke the fuck out of the middle east and weaken the muzzies enough to move in on the area that had already been conquered.
Russia would control all of Europe. China would control all of Asia, and they'd probably squabble over Africa.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at June 10, 2014 03:39 PM (BZAd3)
Yup. Russia and China are both making lovely headways into Africa.
It is interesting how Central and South America are not as obviously in play, though I wrote Central America off to the Russian back in like 1989, despite the abundance of resources there.
Note I said not as obviously in play, not that they are not in play. My speculation is that the Russian plan is to let the narcolords have it as their playground whilst Russia makes off with the oil and heavy metals.
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at June 10, 2014 03:43 PM (mf5HN)
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@275 That would make economic and political sense, since a unified, democratic Korea would tell the US military to GTFO just as the Phillipines did, and then join with China to pipe Xinjiang oil to Japan.
But apparently if North Korea invaded South Korea, there's bipartisan consensus to evacuate South Korea.
But apparently if North Korea invaded South Korea, there's bipartisan consensus to evacuate South Korea.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 10, 2014 03:44 PM (HZLYB)
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Oh my goodness, that just breaks my heart. Her only child. Oh my goodness.
And president butthole cares not one bit.
Posted by: grammie winger at June 10, 2014
No he doesn't care. Oh, but if you're an honorable and distinguished "POW" like Tali-Bowe he cares.....
And president butthole cares not one bit.
Posted by: grammie winger at June 10, 2014
No he doesn't care. Oh, but if you're an honorable and distinguished "POW" like Tali-Bowe he cares.....
Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at June 10, 2014 03:45 PM (9+ccr)
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If I'm China, I'm openly advocating for the reunification of Korea with the South absorbing the North.
Posted by: SH at June 10, 2014 03:41 PM (gmeXX)
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Why?? Norks tie America down.... makes us commit resources.... often times makes us look impotent.
Why would China want to mess that up??? Sure..... The Kim Jungs have all been barking pit bulls...and have occasionally gotten off leash..... but the Chinese arent going to put their dog down anytime soon.
If I'm China, I'm openly advocating for the reunification of Korea with the South absorbing the North.
Posted by: SH at June 10, 2014 03:41 PM (gmeXX)
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Why?? Norks tie America down.... makes us commit resources.... often times makes us look impotent.
Why would China want to mess that up??? Sure..... The Kim Jungs have all been barking pit bulls...and have occasionally gotten off leash..... but the Chinese arent going to put their dog down anytime soon.
Posted by: fixerupper at June 10, 2014 03:45 PM (nELVU)
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But didn't President Boyfriend hold rose garden ceremonies for MoH gold star mothers?
Posted by: Chupacabras at June 10, 2014 03:46 PM (sPO/s)
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That would make economic and political sense, since a unified, democratic Korea would tell the US military to GTFO just as the Phillipines did, and then join with China to pipe Xinjiang oil to Japan.
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Exactly, what better way to get the US out of the Pacific than a reunified Korea - one that China actually supports.
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Exactly, what better way to get the US out of the Pacific than a reunified Korea - one that China actually supports.
Posted by: SH at June 10, 2014 03:46 PM (gmeXX)
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Russia would control all of Europe. China would control all of Asia, and they'd probably squabble over Africa.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at June 10, 2014 03:39 PM (BZAd3)
Doubleplusungood!
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at June 10, 2014 03:39 PM (BZAd3)
Doubleplusungood!
Posted by: INGSOC at June 10, 2014 03:46 PM (K1sEu)
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Missed the /sarc tag there...
Posted by: Chupacabras at June 10, 2014 03:46 PM (sPO/s)
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Five of our elite force die today "in friendly fire" in Afghanistan.
"Two U.S. defense officials say the five Americans killed in Afghanistan,
apparently by fire from their own side, were special operations troops."
I guess Obarfy's giving up the CIA name last month was no big deal...what difference did it make anyway? Or giving over the five Taliban terrorists aka "gentlemen" per the State Dept. No biggie, what difference did it make, anyway? Or the date of leaving. Or Iraq being taken back after the deaths of thousands of our souls.
And this is only the beginning. I'd like to know how many SEALS and special forces have died since 2008.
"Two U.S. defense officials say the five Americans killed in Afghanistan,
apparently by fire from their own side, were special operations troops."
I guess Obarfy's giving up the CIA name last month was no big deal...what difference did it make anyway? Or giving over the five Taliban terrorists aka "gentlemen" per the State Dept. No biggie, what difference did it make, anyway? Or the date of leaving. Or Iraq being taken back after the deaths of thousands of our souls.
And this is only the beginning. I'd like to know how many SEALS and special forces have died since 2008.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Supermodel, Benghazi reporter at June 10, 2014 03:48 PM (baL2B)
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Won't it be a gas when we find out that President Boyfriend has secretly been visiting with vets and their parents the way Boooosh used to?
Again, /sarc.
Again, /sarc.
Posted by: Chupacabras at June 10, 2014 03:48 PM (sPO/s)
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Did I mention that I got Bin Laden? Al Qeada on the run baby!!!
Posted by: Obamalamadingdong at June 10, 2014 03:49 PM (HKyCl)
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293 Won't it be a gas when we find out that President Boyfriend has secretly been visiting with vets and their parents the way Boooosh used to?
Again, /sarc.
He doesn't go anywhere without his official WH photographers. Even with an "impromptu" stroll to Starbucks...
Again, /sarc.
He doesn't go anywhere without his official WH photographers. Even with an "impromptu" stroll to Starbucks...
Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at June 10, 2014 03:50 PM (9+ccr)
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292 Five of our elite force die today "in friendly fire" in Afghanistan.
What difference, at this point, does it make?
What difference, at this point, does it make?
Posted by: Hillary! On Tour at June 10, 2014 03:50 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: effit at June 10, 2014 03:50 PM (O1tfJ)
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Al Qaida is beaten! Whipped! Have it it!!
Posted by: President Black Knight at June 10, 2014 03:51 PM (aTXUx)
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My step-Grandson is in Afghanistan right now.... I worry every night...
Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at June 10, 2014 03:51 PM (9+ccr)
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26 As I say, leftism will crumble under its own contradictions.
You can't be for multiculturism AND import a bunch of muslims.
You can't support the black American working classAND support illegal immigration.
Our job, what we SHOULD be doing, is giving that crumbling at least a little PUSH
26 As I say, leftism will crumble under its own contradictions.
You can't be for multiculturism AND import a bunch of muslims.
You can't support the black American working classAND support illegal immigration.
Our job, what we SHOULD be doing, is giving that crumbling at least a little PUSH
Posted by: MAx, SAT champion at June 10, 2014 03:52 PM (b7yum)
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Shep's having a orgasm on TV over this shooting
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 10, 2014 03:52 PM (t3UFN)
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Iraq is no longer our problem. They wanted us out as much as we wanted out. Honestly, we shouldn't have stayed after the objectives of ousting Saddam and crippling/destroying/securing Iraq's WMD had been completed.
Afghanistan is only sort of our problem (A-stan itself isn't, but the mountains between A-stan P-stan still house a bunch of terrorists). It sucks that we spent the precious blood of our brave men and women. It sucks that they only paid to rent Liberty in the area- not buy it. But spending more blood is not the answer.
It is entirely consistent to point out these losses are brought on by the President's fecklessness, and also point out that as things stand today the United States has no National Security interest in Iraq.
Afghanistan is only sort of our problem (A-stan itself isn't, but the mountains between A-stan P-stan still house a bunch of terrorists). It sucks that we spent the precious blood of our brave men and women. It sucks that they only paid to rent Liberty in the area- not buy it. But spending more blood is not the answer.
It is entirely consistent to point out these losses are brought on by the President's fecklessness, and also point out that as things stand today the United States has no National Security interest in Iraq.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 10, 2014 03:52 PM (PYAXX)
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If zombie's view of the US as on the side of al-Qaeda is correct that makes us part of the Axis of Evil. Which would be cool in a way but we're all just the henchman thugs.
And becoz the Obama Admin is so fkn stoopid we're not even in a cool villain lair. Its more like the Joker from the Batman TV series with the slanted floors and dumbass outfits.
If zombie's view of the US as on the side of al-Qaeda is correct that makes us part of the Axis of Evil. Which would be cool in a way but we're all just the henchman thugs.
And becoz the Obama Admin is so fkn stoopid we're not even in a cool villain lair. Its more like the Joker from the Batman TV series with the slanted floors and dumbass outfits.
Posted by: The Back of Bigby's Hand at June 10, 2014 03:53 PM (3ZtZW)
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299 My step-Grandson is in Afghanistan right now.... I worry every night...
Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at June 10, 2014 03:51 PM (9+ccr)
He's gonna get prayed for. Count on it.
Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at June 10, 2014 03:51 PM (9+ccr)
He's gonna get prayed for. Count on it.
Posted by: grammie winger at June 10, 2014 03:53 PM (oMKp3)
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If the state cannot remain intact, it should not
exist, and a negotiated peace, ceding Sunnis their own smaller state
(and, hopefully, giving the Kurds their own state as well) is probably
the only stable solution-Ace
Didn't Uncle Joey call for a partition?
Reading the headlines about this story makes me sad and pisses me
off. Our blood and treasure, for what? What the fuck did they
die/injured for?
Maybe one of our regular contributing vets can explain it to me.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 10, 2014 02:55 PM (HVff2)
I realize this was a rhetorical question - but I'll answer it anyway: it was for all the same reasons we fought in Vietnam. As soon as anyone figures out why we were there I'll copy that - cut and paste "Iraq" for "Vietnam" and you'll have your explanation.
exist, and a negotiated peace, ceding Sunnis their own smaller state
(and, hopefully, giving the Kurds their own state as well) is probably
the only stable solution-Ace
Didn't Uncle Joey call for a partition?
Reading the headlines about this story makes me sad and pisses me
off. Our blood and treasure, for what? What the fuck did they
die/injured for?
Maybe one of our regular contributing vets can explain it to me.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 10, 2014 02:55 PM (HVff2)
I realize this was a rhetorical question - but I'll answer it anyway: it was for all the same reasons we fought in Vietnam. As soon as anyone figures out why we were there I'll copy that - cut and paste "Iraq" for "Vietnam" and you'll have your explanation.
Posted by: An Observation at June 10, 2014 03:54 PM (ylhEn)
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Shep's having a orgasm on TV over this shooting
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 10, 2014 03:52 PM (t3UFN)
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I was about to comment on that.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 10, 2014 03:52 PM (t3UFN)
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I was about to comment on that.
Posted by: Soona at June 10, 2014 03:54 PM (zwoky)
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Our job, what we SHOULD be doing, is giving that crumbling at least a little PUSH
Posted by: MAx, SAT champion at June 10, 2014 03:52 PM (b7yum)
You mean, "let it burn"?
Posted by: MAx, SAT champion at June 10, 2014 03:52 PM (b7yum)
You mean, "let it burn"?
Posted by: EC at June 10, 2014 03:54 PM (GQ8sn)
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Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Rolf Treu.....
Oh, sweet Jeebus. I went to high school with this dude.
He looked like a Genuine Aryan, and drove around town in his military-surplus Dodge Power Wagon, a German Shepherd at his side.
Really.
If anyone from my graduating class was gonna become famous (or infamous), I sure as hell wouldn't have bet on him.
Oh, sweet Jeebus. I went to high school with this dude.
He looked like a Genuine Aryan, and drove around town in his military-surplus Dodge Power Wagon, a German Shepherd at his side.
Really.
If anyone from my graduating class was gonna become famous (or infamous), I sure as hell wouldn't have bet on him.
Posted by: MrScribbler at June 10, 2014 03:55 PM (dDzOj)
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Shep's having a orgasm on TV over this shooting
A guess this will be a distraction from Tali-Bowe, the Vets and Hillary's "I was broke" fiasco. Another guns are evil let's confiscate them moment for the LIbs...
A guess this will be a distraction from Tali-Bowe, the Vets and Hillary's "I was broke" fiasco. Another guns are evil let's confiscate them moment for the LIbs...
Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at June 10, 2014 03:55 PM (9+ccr)
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278 White people are so racist that no matter wherethey go in the world the brown folks come in droves to live with them
Posted by: MAx, SAT champion at June 10, 2014 03:55 PM (b7yum)
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"The only solution is comprehensive immigration reform coupled with a substantial carbon tax and possibly high speed rail initiatives.
"And did you see, Kim and Kanye got married?"
Plus gun control. FIFY, Kreplach.
"And did you see, Kim and Kanye got married?"
Plus gun control. FIFY, Kreplach.
Posted by: A pot of message at June 10, 2014 03:55 PM (fFh95)
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Grammie,
It's a sin that so many died & we have nothing to show for it because TFG wouldn't or more likely, couldn't make a Status of Forces agreement with Iraqi PM.
It's a sin that so many died & we have nothing to show for it because TFG wouldn't or more likely, couldn't make a Status of Forces agreement with Iraqi PM.
Posted by: Carol at June 10, 2014 03:56 PM (gjOCp)
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272 That's absolutely spot-on and would be easy now before they get dispersed
Posted by: MAx, SAT champion at June 10, 2014 03:56 PM (b7yum)
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My speculation is that the Russian plan is to let the narcolords have it as their playground whilst Russia makes off with the oil and heavy metals.
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at June 10, 2014 03:43 PM (mf5HN)
Russia has gone through the experience of socialism, they know how much damage it can do. They know that American coming to socialism after already being in debt up to their asses, won't be able to last long. The invasion of ready made dependents will only accelerate the process.
Canada couldn't hold out against any serious threat from Russia, especially if Russia was aided by China. With the U.S. weakened, they won't have to invade Canada, they'll just have to intimidate them. They'll be a vassal state, as will the U.S. The western hemisphere being in chaos will suit their purposes just fine.
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at June 10, 2014 03:43 PM (mf5HN)
Russia has gone through the experience of socialism, they know how much damage it can do. They know that American coming to socialism after already being in debt up to their asses, won't be able to last long. The invasion of ready made dependents will only accelerate the process.
Canada couldn't hold out against any serious threat from Russia, especially if Russia was aided by China. With the U.S. weakened, they won't have to invade Canada, they'll just have to intimidate them. They'll be a vassal state, as will the U.S. The western hemisphere being in chaos will suit their purposes just fine.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at June 10, 2014 03:56 PM (BZAd3)
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IMPEACH HIM!
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 10, 2014 03:57 PM (V70Uh)
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Gavin McInnes @Gavin_McInnes
Lesbians don't dislike dicks. They envy them. It's what the dicks are attached to. Gays are the opposite.
Gavin McInnes @Gavin_McInnes
Lesbians think penises are cool but men are gross. Gays think women are cool but vaginas are gross.
Lesbians don't dislike dicks. They envy them. It's what the dicks are attached to. Gays are the opposite.
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Lesbians think penises are cool but men are gross. Gays think women are cool but vaginas are gross.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at June 10, 2014 03:57 PM (ZPrif)
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Speaking of vets, I sure wish we could get more of this generation into the various veterans organizations. There's still lots to do at home.
Posted by: Chupacabras at June 10, 2014 03:57 PM (CGjum)
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Fucking Obama.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at June 10, 2014 03:58 PM (CA2NO)
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Show me a woman with a Fleshlight and I'll show you a real lesbian.
Posted by: garrett at June 10, 2014 03:58 PM (4fboE)
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Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 10, 2014 03:34 PM (PYAXX)
So wait, am I suppose to be for this or is it judicial activism?
I mean it's novel I'll give him that.
And it's an outcome I approve of.
I think we'll go with "sure, I like it."
(Actually I think it shouldn't have come this far, there's probably other more obviously illegal shit further back in the chain that led us to the "dance of the lemons" as it were.
So wait, am I suppose to be for this or is it judicial activism?
I mean it's novel I'll give him that.
And it's an outcome I approve of.
I think we'll go with "sure, I like it."
(Actually I think it shouldn't have come this far, there's probably other more obviously illegal shit further back in the chain that led us to the "dance of the lemons" as it were.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 7 months! at June 10, 2014 03:58 PM (HDwDg)
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How many millions have died because we've lost our way as humans?
Nature, like gravity, is a force that shouldn't be defied. For millennia, the natural course of action is that stronger, more advanced, more organized groups of people took the wealth and possessions of the weaker, dumber tribes, fucked their women and subjugated the populations to maintain order.
This concentrated resources, diversified the gene pool and advanced civilization.
Think of how much has been wasted trying to circumvent the natural order of the things and bring advanced self-determination to populations that are 100 or 500 years from that point. Maybe in a few centuries Iraq and the rest of the Middle East will be ready for elections and peace, but why kid ourselves that they are there now?
Time to get back to basics.
Nature, like gravity, is a force that shouldn't be defied. For millennia, the natural course of action is that stronger, more advanced, more organized groups of people took the wealth and possessions of the weaker, dumber tribes, fucked their women and subjugated the populations to maintain order.
This concentrated resources, diversified the gene pool and advanced civilization.
Think of how much has been wasted trying to circumvent the natural order of the things and bring advanced self-determination to populations that are 100 or 500 years from that point. Maybe in a few centuries Iraq and the rest of the Middle East will be ready for elections and peace, but why kid ourselves that they are there now?
Time to get back to basics.
Posted by: jwest at June 10, 2014 03:59 PM (u2a4R)
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307 Exactly the OPPOSITE
Posted by: MAx, SAT champion at June 10, 2014 03:59 PM (b7yum)
Posted by: Country Sam at June 10, 2014 03:59 PM (W6iIX)
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Fighters , Gun Ships and Helos in support of the Iraqi Army on the ground would be accepted by the public. They just hate boots on the ground.
yup..
Fighters , Gun Ships and Helos in support of the Iraqi Army on the ground would be accepted by the public. They just hate boots on the ground.
yup..
Posted by: eleven at June 10, 2014 04:00 PM (fsLdt)
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So wait, am I suppose to be for this or is it judicial activism?
Yes.
I can disagree with the judicial activism while *also* enjoying the show.
I'm broad-minded like that.
Yes.
I can disagree with the judicial activism while *also* enjoying the show.
I'm broad-minded like that.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 10, 2014 04:00 PM (PYAXX)
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Oh frabjous joy. Per Fox News, atop Iranian defense officialclaims that the U.S.base at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean is now within Iranian missile range."In the event of an irrational attack by the U.S., America's military bases will not be safe from our missiles, whether in Bahrain or at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean," the senior official, Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) adviser Mojtaba Zonnour, was quoted as saying to Iran's "Defa Moghadas," or Holy Defense.
Only one thing to do. Close the base at Diego Garcia in a show of good faith.
Oh frabjous joy. Per Fox News, atop Iranian defense officialclaims that the U.S.base at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean is now within Iranian missile range."In the event of an irrational attack by the U.S., America's military bases will not be safe from our missiles, whether in Bahrain or at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean," the senior official, Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) adviser Mojtaba Zonnour, was quoted as saying to Iran's "Defa Moghadas," or Holy Defense.
Only one thing to do. Close the base at Diego Garcia in a show of good faith.
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at June 10, 2014 04:01 PM (AVz13)
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Grandpa Jimbo,
I had Rush on in my car yesterday, the GOP doesn't have balls or majority & the Citizens have to want it.
I would love to be rid of that evil SOB, but do you think the LIVs have any idea what is going on so that we could gain a majority to support it?
Plus the MFM is still covering up & kissing his ass.
That's why we can't impeach. When he crosses line & posses off LIVs, then we can.
I had Rush on in my car yesterday, the GOP doesn't have balls or majority & the Citizens have to want it.
I would love to be rid of that evil SOB, but do you think the LIVs have any idea what is going on so that we could gain a majority to support it?
Plus the MFM is still covering up & kissing his ass.
That's why we can't impeach. When he crosses line & posses off LIVs, then we can.
Posted by: Carol at June 10, 2014 04:02 PM (gjOCp)
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Nobody will say the word?
Quagmire!
ISTR the small arms we supplied to Iraq were all metric, world-standard (AK's).
OK, we'll pass that. If anything serious got dropped in the retreat, say, capable of bringing down US aircraft for instance, we're gonna have to do some raiding. It's the price you pay.
This certainly is not the first time that peace love and understanding have snatched defeat from the jaws of something-like-victory, but you'd have thought we'd have learned something by now. It's like it's part of a plan. Nah, never happen.
Quagmire!
ISTR the small arms we supplied to Iraq were all metric, world-standard (AK's).
OK, we'll pass that. If anything serious got dropped in the retreat, say, capable of bringing down US aircraft for instance, we're gonna have to do some raiding. It's the price you pay.
This certainly is not the first time that peace love and understanding have snatched defeat from the jaws of something-like-victory, but you'd have thought we'd have learned something by now. It's like it's part of a plan. Nah, never happen.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 10, 2014 04:02 PM (xq1UY)
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Only one thing to do. Close the base at Diego Garcia in a show of good faith.
I was going to say, "Hit every missile site in Iran and turn the area immediately around them into glass," but maybe that's just me.
I was going to say, "Hit every missile site in Iran and turn the area immediately around them into glass," but maybe that's just me.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 10, 2014 04:03 PM (PYAXX)
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Well, the judge better get one of those mirrors to check under his car before he starts it.
Posted by: Abdullah Bergdahl at June 10, 2014 04:03 PM (lJm99)
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Syria and Iraq: Two countries, one cup oil field
Posted by: doug the head at June 10, 2014 04:03 PM (8CdUx)
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**Nature, like gravity, is a force that shouldn't be defied. For millennia, the natural course of action is that stronger, more advanced, more organized groups of people took the wealth and possessions of the weaker, dumber tribes, fucked their women and subjugated the populations to maintain order.**
You're a Hells Angels recruiter?
You're a Hells Angels recruiter?
Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 10, 2014 04:04 PM (HZLYB)
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So, how long until McCain says we should start bombing?
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 10, 2014 04:04 PM (659DL)
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329 Not just you
Posted by: MAx, SAT champion at June 10, 2014 04:04 PM (b7yum)
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When he crosses line posses off LIVs, then we can.
So... never. Because LIVs, by definition, don't pay attention except to the PAM (prolapsed-anus media).
Well, I guess it's freeing to know that, at least.
So... never. Because LIVs, by definition, don't pay attention except to the PAM (prolapsed-anus media).
Well, I guess it's freeing to know that, at least.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 10, 2014 04:04 PM (PYAXX)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 7 months! at June 10, 2014 04:04 PM (HDwDg)
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The US, under Obama, has switched sides in the War on Terror and is now an Al Qaeda affiliate.
Posted by: zombie at June 10, 2014 03:06 PM (mizYg)
I've been saying that for the last three years or so.
The US, under Obama, has switched sides in the War on Terror and is now an Al Qaeda affiliate.
Posted by: zombie at June 10, 2014 03:06 PM (mizYg)
I've been saying that for the last three years or so.
Posted by: rickl at June 10, 2014 04:04 PM (zoehZ)
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So, how long until McCain says we should start bombing?
As soon as the senile old bastard can be made to remember where Iraq is.
As soon as the senile old bastard can be made to remember where Iraq is.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 10, 2014 04:05 PM (PYAXX)
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Any moment Barry will pivot to the economy and Western Pacific.
Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at June 10, 2014 04:05 PM (oDCMR)
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333 He has to wipe his chin after his meeting with obama first
Posted by: MAx, SAT champion at June 10, 2014 04:05 PM (b7yum)
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That's why we can't impeach. When he crosses line posses off LIVs, then we can.
Posted by: Carol at June 10, 2014 04:02 PM (gjOCp)
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I think impeachment will all come down to something that Rush said a couple of years ago. It'll only happen if somehow Dear Leader says or does something against a beloved icon of the pop culture. Then and only then will the LIV's want his head.
Posted by: Carol at June 10, 2014 04:02 PM (gjOCp)
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I think impeachment will all come down to something that Rush said a couple of years ago. It'll only happen if somehow Dear Leader says or does something against a beloved icon of the pop culture. Then and only then will the LIV's want his head.
Posted by: Soona at June 10, 2014 04:06 PM (zwoky)
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It is a political loser but the Iraqis deserve better than living under the brutality of Islamist militants.
We used to say never again but now its, "Is American Idol on tonight?"
We used to say never again but now its, "Is American Idol on tonight?"
Posted by: wodun at June 10, 2014 04:06 PM (DD0s8)
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Nothing is a bigger boost to recruitment than a big win to run up on the pole
A victory like this for AQ could be huge, it shatters TFG's "AQ is on the run" end zone dancing narrative
A victory like this for AQ could be huge, it shatters TFG's "AQ is on the run" end zone dancing narrative
Posted by: kbdabear at June 10, 2014 04:06 PM (aTXUx)
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I can't watch Shep. I have had television off since early this morning & saw Hillary clip in Fox & Friends First.
Posted by: Carol at June 10, 2014 04:07 PM (gjOCp)
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If zombie's view of the US as on the side of
al-Qaeda is correct that makes us part of the Axis of Evil. Which would
be cool in a way but we're all just the henchman thugs.
And
becoz the Obama Admin is so fkn stoopid we're not even in a cool villain
lair. Its more like the Joker from the Batman TV series with the
slanted floors and dumbass outfits.
Posted by: The Back of Bigby's Hand at June 10, 2014 03:53 PM (3ZtZW)
Well Hillary does tend to dress like a Bond villain.
Second First look at Hillary4Prez?
al-Qaeda is correct that makes us part of the Axis of Evil. Which would
be cool in a way but we're all just the henchman thugs.
And
becoz the Obama Admin is so fkn stoopid we're not even in a cool villain
lair. Its more like the Joker from the Batman TV series with the
slanted floors and dumbass outfits.
Posted by: The Back of Bigby's Hand at June 10, 2014 03:53 PM (3ZtZW)
Well Hillary does tend to dress like a Bond villain.
Posted by: Teh Won at June 10, 2014 04:07 PM (D5hxK)
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/off black sock
Posted by: mugiwara at June 10, 2014 04:07 PM (D5hxK)
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Iraqi rifles for sale, only dropped once.
Posted by: Chupacabras at June 10, 2014 03:40 PM (sPO/s)
Hey, now!
Posted by: Chupacabras at June 10, 2014 03:40 PM (sPO/s)
Hey, now!
Posted by: ARVN at June 10, 2014 04:08 PM (RGUQ3)
Posted by: DOOM at June 10, 2014 04:09 PM (gmrH5)
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These waffles aren't going to eat themselves.
Posted by: Preznit Waffle at June 10, 2014 04:09 PM (dvRYt)
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What better way to arm the terrorist than to give our stuff to an ineffective fighting force for it to be captured by the terrorists ?
Posted by: Coldwarrior57 at June 10, 2014 04:10 PM (rO5kl)
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O/T but I can barely believe it.
A judge in California(!!!) ruled that teacher tenure laws deprive students of their constitutional right to an education.
http://tinyurl.com/ph6av8h
More please. Faster please.
A judge in California(!!!) ruled that teacher tenure laws deprive students of their constitutional right to an education.
http://tinyurl.com/ph6av8h
More please. Faster please.
Posted by: Iasonas at June 10, 2014 04:10 PM (RUraj)
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Carol,
Are you saying Limbaugh has gone Full Poppin' Fresh on us?
All of our hotshot Conservative Pundits rant about the evils Choom Boy has committed but, like too many of the aisle-crossing incompetents in Congress, they go ultra-squishy when Shit Gets Real.
It would be "bad optics" to impeach President Historic First©? I say it will be "bad optics" to lose this country and watch it disintegrate. But hey, that's just me.
Are you saying Limbaugh has gone Full Poppin' Fresh on us?
All of our hotshot Conservative Pundits rant about the evils Choom Boy has committed but, like too many of the aisle-crossing incompetents in Congress, they go ultra-squishy when Shit Gets Real.
It would be "bad optics" to impeach President Historic First©? I say it will be "bad optics" to lose this country and watch it disintegrate. But hey, that's just me.
Posted by: MrScribbler at June 10, 2014 04:10 PM (dDzOj)
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The reason we left Iraq is because Maliki refused a Status of Forces agreement on Obama's terms and Obama refused to negotiate. It was his way or the highway, so we took the highway. Had Maliki agreed to the SOFA, we would still be there today.
Posted by: crosspatch at June 10, 2014 04:11 PM (ZbLJZ)
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a - at 139 I had a quote from Hillary!s interview with Diane Sawyer, I thought it was from the book. BS either way but I wanted to point that out
and B - we damn well better get the Senate in Repub hands this year and the WH in 2016 or I'm going to be wishing I'd had a lot more irresponsible fun in this life.
and B - we damn well better get the Senate in Repub hands this year and the WH in 2016 or I'm going to be wishing I'd had a lot more irresponsible fun in this life.
Posted by: mallfly at June 10, 2014 04:12 PM (zjcTL)
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Posted by: MrScribbler at June 10, 2014 04:10 PM (dDzOj)
Problem is that we're freaking Cassandra- doomed to tell the truth but never be believed.
Which is why I'm on Team Burn it Down. If it's going to happen anyway, better for it to happen while my children still have a chance of living to see the rebuilding.
Problem is that we're freaking Cassandra- doomed to tell the truth but never be believed.
Which is why I'm on Team Burn it Down. If it's going to happen anyway, better for it to happen while my children still have a chance of living to see the rebuilding.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 10, 2014 04:13 PM (PYAXX)
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My way or the highway is President Boyfriend's preferred, nay only, method of negotiation.
Posted by: Chupacabras at June 10, 2014 04:13 PM (l2max)
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If you are going to war, you nuke'm, conquer them, and educate them the same way you train a fucking dog. If it take a hundred years. But you're too squeamish.
Posted by: Stew, Squash, and Binge, LLC at June 10, 2014 03:28 PM (bqRQ0)
Um, we were talking about Nation building. I think you may need some help with remedial reading.
No let me rephrase, you need help.
Posted by: Stew, Squash, and Binge, LLC at June 10, 2014 03:28 PM (bqRQ0)
Um, we were talking about Nation building. I think you may need some help with remedial reading.
No let me rephrase, you need help.
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at June 10, 2014 04:13 PM (fcNe2)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 7 months! at June 10, 2014 04:14 PM (HDwDg)
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Obama didn't want a SOFA, so Obama made demands he knew Maliki couldn't accept.
Obama didn't have the balls to reject a SOFA, so he forced Maliki to reject it.
Classic 8th grade breakup tactic.
Obama didn't have the balls to reject a SOFA, so he forced Maliki to reject it.
Classic 8th grade breakup tactic.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at June 10, 2014 04:14 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Jukin at June 10, 2014 04:14 PM (WGm5T)
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people always say that as if Biden's proposing it automatically makes it wrong.
It was wrong when we theoretically were doing everything less than open war to stop Iran (regionally and nuclearly). Now with the Obamapocalypse , fuck it, 3 conjectures and maybe no place we care about gets zapped.
It was wrong when we theoretically were doing everything less than open war to stop Iran (regionally and nuclearly). Now with the Obamapocalypse , fuck it, 3 conjectures and maybe no place we care about gets zapped.
Posted by: DaveA at June 10, 2014 04:15 PM (DL2i+)
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Are you saying Limbaugh has gone Full Poppin' Fresh on us?
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No. It means that Rush is a realist. Baraka isn't going to get impeached.
Let's face it. The left, the LIV's, and the FSA are running the country now.
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No. It means that Rush is a realist. Baraka isn't going to get impeached.
Let's face it. The left, the LIV's, and the FSA are running the country now.
Posted by: Soona at June 10, 2014 04:16 PM (zwoky)
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Or maybe just another repeat of AQ takes over, pisses off the chiefs and people, then gets slaughtered by an actual army again.
Posted by: DaveA at June 10, 2014 04:17 PM (DL2i+)
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Flaming skull up.
Posted by: Buzzion at June 10, 2014 04:17 PM (z/Ubi)
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DOOM,
Papa Bush didn't have international support to topple Saddam. Why? Is a good question. He went to the trouble of getting support nut why not get rid of him?
Papa Bush didn't have international support to topple Saddam. Why? Is a good question. He went to the trouble of getting support nut why not get rid of him?
Posted by: Carol at June 10, 2014 04:17 PM (gjOCp)
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was never worth the blood or treasure.
Fighting over THERE was worth every drop of unspilled civilian blood here.
Fighting over THERE was worth every drop of unspilled civilian blood here.
Posted by: DaveA at June 10, 2014 04:19 PM (DL2i+)
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Soona,
the pre-election 2008 US Government preparations for the 2010 census
I read online the training sheets for hiring census workers, job descriptions consistently referencing "American Idol".
bizarre
the pre-election 2008 US Government preparations for the 2010 census
I read online the training sheets for hiring census workers, job descriptions consistently referencing "American Idol".
bizarre
Posted by: panzernashorn at June 10, 2014 04:20 PM (gmrH5)
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THIS WAR IS LOST!
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 10, 2014 04:20 PM (32Ze2)
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@365 -- The USSR and China decided after the Korean War that the West was just not going to be allowed to use the UN Charter to topple dictatorships, because those two powers were obviously in line for liberation.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 10, 2014 04:20 PM (HZLYB)
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@365 -- The USSR and China decided after the Korean War that the West was just not going to be allowed to use the UN Charter to topple dictatorships, because those two powers were obviously in line for liberation.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 10, 2014 04:20 PM (HZLYB)
Posted by: Texas, Wyoming, Arizona, the Dakotas, Utah, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia. Loui at June 10, 2014 04:25 PM (XO6WW)
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I handy moved on to new thread. Thanks Chris Balsz.
Posted by: Carol at June 10, 2014 04:26 PM (gjOCp)
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Just goes to show that the quality of armament isn't as big a deal as the quality of the troops.
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at June 10, 2014 04:27 PM (vd7A8)
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Since both the Iraqi and ARVN troops fought on longer than we did, perhaos we shouldn't be sneering...
Posted by: Texas, Wyoming, Arizona, the Dakotas, Utah, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia. Loui at June 10, 2014 04:27 PM (XO6WW)
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372 should say I hadn't moved to nood! I have to use iPad to post here!
Posted by: Carol at June 10, 2014 04:28 PM (gjOCp)
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Military wins in Vietnam, Democrats betray our allies, millions die, they declare victory because....
Nixon's War!
Military wins in Iraq, Democrats betray, millions suffer, thousands die, they declare victory because...
Bush's War!
Afghanistan, blood, money incompetence on the "Good war" but let's switch sides!
Nixon's War!
Military wins in Iraq, Democrats betray, millions suffer, thousands die, they declare victory because...
Bush's War!
Afghanistan, blood, money incompetence on the "Good war" but let's switch sides!
Posted by: jrcobbstr at June 10, 2014 04:36 PM (ekKIm)
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SH,
"The war was won. This wasn't a case of not winning a war, this was giving back the war."
Hear fucking hear. You know how we know the war was won? The Obama administration started scheming to take credit for it (link in nic). Disappointing to see so many falling for the revisionist history spun in the aftermath.
"The war was won. This wasn't a case of not winning a war, this was giving back the war."
Hear fucking hear. You know how we know the war was won? The Obama administration started scheming to take credit for it (link in nic). Disappointing to see so many falling for the revisionist history spun in the aftermath.
Posted by: Ernie McCracken at June 10, 2014 04:37 PM (rEI8v)
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365. Carol
I used to research this. I do remember the relief when our Military came home from Desert Storm, and the unsettling when GWB with Cheney and Rumsfeld selling their propaganda.
I've heard Steve Pieczenik who served as Asst. Sec/State (Chief of Counter-Terrorism, M.D. and Ph.D, Psychiatry and International Diplomacy) under five US Presidents, and who highly respects GHWB but who has only disdain for GWB. According to Pieczenik's accounts, Desert Storm was never designed/intended to topple Saddam Hussein. Definitely kick Hussein's ass back to Iraq to stay confined, no Iraqi influence to be allowed expansion regionally (legitimate gripe or not), and whip Hussein into submission to US Policy. Notice that despite appointing Cheney and Rumseld in his administration, the "old school" CIA Director elected VP and then POTUS did not order US Military to pursue and to capture Hussein and to topple the Iraqi nation's government, having totally defeated Iraq's military on the battlefields.
One could argue THAT as "smart" nation building.
Don't demolish ancient remains of earliest civilization, expecting the Phoenix Bird to rise from ashes in thanksgiving to Western Civilization's "Liberators" /illustrating the son's antics that spread Islamist "democracy" leading to "Springs" of mercenary terrorism destabilizing each nation state under the same mantra of "spreading democracy".
I used to research this. I do remember the relief when our Military came home from Desert Storm, and the unsettling when GWB with Cheney and Rumsfeld selling their propaganda.
I've heard Steve Pieczenik who served as Asst. Sec/State (Chief of Counter-Terrorism, M.D. and Ph.D, Psychiatry and International Diplomacy) under five US Presidents, and who highly respects GHWB but who has only disdain for GWB. According to Pieczenik's accounts, Desert Storm was never designed/intended to topple Saddam Hussein. Definitely kick Hussein's ass back to Iraq to stay confined, no Iraqi influence to be allowed expansion regionally (legitimate gripe or not), and whip Hussein into submission to US Policy. Notice that despite appointing Cheney and Rumseld in his administration, the "old school" CIA Director elected VP and then POTUS did not order US Military to pursue and to capture Hussein and to topple the Iraqi nation's government, having totally defeated Iraq's military on the battlefields.
One could argue THAT as "smart" nation building.
Don't demolish ancient remains of earliest civilization, expecting the Phoenix Bird to rise from ashes in thanksgiving to Western Civilization's "Liberators" /illustrating the son's antics that spread Islamist "democracy" leading to "Springs" of mercenary terrorism destabilizing each nation state under the same mantra of "spreading democracy".
Posted by: panzernashorn at June 10, 2014 04:45 PM (gmrH5)
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South Korea wasn't an opponent. The only reason we kept/keep troops there is as a trigger to prevent the Norks/Chinese from steamrolling in without consequence.
Germany was actually a functioning country before WWII with an advanced Western society. The reason we kept troops there was because of the Russkies. Same reason we kept troops in Japan. With no Russian threat, we would have been gone within a decade tops. It also recognizes that there wasn't any serious.
Basically, your examples are relevant.
Germany was actually a functioning country before WWII with an advanced Western society. The reason we kept troops there was because of the Russkies. Same reason we kept troops in Japan. With no Russian threat, we would have been gone within a decade tops. It also recognizes that there wasn't any serious.
Basically, your examples are relevant.
Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at June 10, 2014 04:52 PM (crkWb)
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Panzernashorn,
I hope I spelled that correctly because I can't copy & paste in iPad. I would have defeated Saddam & used military to turn against him. What was Saddam's elite guard called? I can't remember.
You can't spread democracy in Islamist countries.
I've been up since before five in pain from getting injection in neck for pain. It makes it worse for days or a week.
I tried twice to take a nap but couldn't. Now I can't because I'm sole "reporter" for CAC for Cantor's VA primary results.
I talked to CAC for 1 1/2 hours Sunday. He told me not to expect Brat to win, it's unlikely. But to scare him & rest of GOPe to start being opposition party so that they know we are serious.
If you're in district, which is highly unlikely, please vote for
Brat. At least send good thoughts so GOPe stops thinking they can do anything they want, like amnesty.
I hope I spelled that correctly because I can't copy & paste in iPad. I would have defeated Saddam & used military to turn against him. What was Saddam's elite guard called? I can't remember.
You can't spread democracy in Islamist countries.
I've been up since before five in pain from getting injection in neck for pain. It makes it worse for days or a week.
I tried twice to take a nap but couldn't. Now I can't because I'm sole "reporter" for CAC for Cantor's VA primary results.
I talked to CAC for 1 1/2 hours Sunday. He told me not to expect Brat to win, it's unlikely. But to scare him & rest of GOPe to start being opposition party so that they know we are serious.
If you're in district, which is highly unlikely, please vote for
Brat. At least send good thoughts so GOPe stops thinking they can do anything they want, like amnesty.
Posted by: Carol at June 10, 2014 05:04 PM (gjOCp)
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Joe Biden wanted to carve up Iraq but he also argued that it could be done peacefully. THAT was the part that was nonsense on stilts. We gave Iraq a chance. If they can't share power we end up at Biden's place - but the 'real' Biden's place: millions dead in perpetual civil war.
Posted by: East Bay Jay at June 10, 2014 05:06 PM (7v8o1)
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On the bright side: the insurgents are Sunni, thus not affiliated with Iran. Any group that so strongly feels their religion is the correct one will keep Iran busy for years.
Posted by: Pigilito at June 10, 2014 05:35 PM (AW99N)
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AQ is presumably in western Iraq and eastern Syria (not eastern Iraq - where the Shiites live, and western Syria - where the Alawites live).
Posted by: gm at June 10, 2014 05:45 PM (/kBoL)
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>>>To the extent the GOP talks about military involvement here, they must talk only of intelligence, surveillance, bombing, drones, and massed tanks and artillery.>>>
1. Good thing the GOP thinks it's a good idea to keep Grahamnesty around then.
2. What about officially recognizing a Kurdish state? I'm on board for that. We could call it Saladini Kurdia. Or something.
1. Good thing the GOP thinks it's a good idea to keep Grahamnesty around then.
2. What about officially recognizing a Kurdish state? I'm on board for that. We could call it Saladini Kurdia. Or something.
Posted by: gm at June 10, 2014 05:49 PM (/kBoL)
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Wrong, pigilito. Iranian "special groups" co-operated with Sunni Iraqi "insurgents" all the time back when we were there. If Churchill can work with Stalin for a specific cause, any alliance is possible. But yours is probably the smallest and most innocent error on display here.
But wow - this post and the comments are pretty much the jump-sharking moment for AOSHQ. Ace adopting the stupid Biden idea - yes, it's idiotic from every perspective, and Iraq as a whole is not an artificial entity today (whatever it might have been in 191. And then, of course, the tidal wave of teh stupid in the comments. All the usual myths and obsessions and ignorance - "nation building!! eleventy!!!" and Colin Powell and drive-by regime change and all the other sophomoric crap.
As I felt and said even before leaving Iraq in 2006, while the behavior of most Americans made me sorry I'd ever lifted a finger or taken a risk "for the country", it was the behavior of people like most commenters here that ensured I'd never consider doing it again, and discourage any I could from getting so involved. Yep, the "conservative" folks who (mostly) oppose all the things at home that are wrecking the country and culture are also often just as pig-stupid and ignorant as a Capital Hill Democraton national security. One would have to be crazy to go in harm's way for today's American populace, incl. the Horde. Any undertaking more complicated than a B-movie rampage or longer than an HBO mini-series, and it's all whining and stunningly stupid ideas.
It really is quite the spectacle. Not actually much difference between most of the comments here and the spittle-flecked lunacy of a site likeDailyKos.
But wow - this post and the comments are pretty much the jump-sharking moment for AOSHQ. Ace adopting the stupid Biden idea - yes, it's idiotic from every perspective, and Iraq as a whole is not an artificial entity today (whatever it might have been in 191
. And then, of course, the tidal wave of teh stupid in the comments. All the usual myths and obsessions and ignorance - "nation building!! eleventy!!!" and Colin Powell and drive-by regime change and all the other sophomoric crap.
As I felt and said even before leaving Iraq in 2006, while the behavior of most Americans made me sorry I'd ever lifted a finger or taken a risk "for the country", it was the behavior of people like most commenters here that ensured I'd never consider doing it again, and discourage any I could from getting so involved. Yep, the "conservative" folks who (mostly) oppose all the things at home that are wrecking the country and culture are also often just as pig-stupid and ignorant as a Capital Hill Democraton national security. One would have to be crazy to go in harm's way for today's American populace, incl. the Horde. Any undertaking more complicated than a B-movie rampage or longer than an HBO mini-series, and it's all whining and stunningly stupid ideas.
It really is quite the spectacle. Not actually much difference between most of the comments here and the spittle-flecked lunacy of a site likeDailyKos.
Posted by: outlier at June 10, 2014 06:11 PM (afQnV)
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The best thing we can do for the strategic security of the United States is reverse what Obama has done to Iraq.
By whatever means necessary.
By whatever means necessary.
Posted by: eman at June 10, 2014 06:17 PM (3n93b)
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** As I felt and said even before leaving Iraq in 2006, while the behavior of most Americans made me sorry I'd ever lifted a finger or taken a risk "for the country", it was the behavior of people like most commenters here that ensured I'd never consider doing it again, and discourage any I could from getting so involved. Yep, the "conservative" folks who (mostly) oppose all the things at home that are wrecking the country and culture are also often just as pig-stupid and ignorant as a Capital Hill Democraton national security. One would have to be crazy to go in harm's way for today's American populace, incl. the Horde. Any undertaking more complicated than a B-movie rampage or longer than an HBO mini-series, and it's all whining and stunningly stupid ideas. **
You shouldn't call anybody wrong without naming what's right.
You shouldn't call anybody wrong without naming what's right.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 10, 2014 06:28 PM (HZLYB)
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All because Bush lied to go to war so his buddies could make money !!!!!!!
Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at June 10, 2014 06:40 PM (hP/Mt)
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Second look at unleashing Dick Cheney's War Cock?
Posted by: Sharkman at June 10, 2014 07:57 PM (rXB/r)
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Maliki is telling citizens who are willing to fight that they will arm them. Good thing, IMO. You want your country to not be Afghanistan, fight for it.
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