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Is CMS Looking to Use Obamacare Bailout Money as Slush Fund to Bribe Insurance Companies to Play Ball?

Note the below post on Rubio's proposal that we repeal the "risk corridor" (bailout) provisions of Obamacare, and then compare to what Obama's minions may have in mind.

Just read the whole thing.

It certainly does seem as if CMS is viewing to illegally rewrite the law such that the provisions for a bailout -- unrestricted, by the way; there is no cap on what the feds may spend on these bailouts -- can be used to pay off insurers for the new costs they'll be incurring under Obama's proposed "fix."

Thanks to @theh2, linking @asymmetricinfo

Posted by: Ace at 03:04 PM

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1 So, fascism.

Posted by: Lauren at November 15, 2013 03:05 PM (hFL/3)

2 Damn them all to Hell

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 15, 2013 03:06 PM (PZ6/M)

3 3... 2... 1... thread DISAPPEAR!

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 15, 2013 03:06 PM (CJjw5)

4 Is CMS Looking to Use Obamacare Bailout Money as Slush Fund to Bribe Insurance Companies to Play Ball?

Short answer?

Yes, absolutely.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 15, 2013 03:06 PM (4df7R)

5 This deal just keeps getting better and better.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 15, 2013 03:06 PM (qH/2Y)

6 I smell a Mark Levin head explosion of massive proportions.

Landmark Legal should fire up a law suit at the DC circuit now, like the did when the Slaughter Rule tried to shove this law down our throats.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 03:07 PM (olDqf)

7 REPEAL

IMPEACH

Posted by: Parker at November 15, 2013 03:07 PM (YkW3i)

8 Just read the whole thing.

Don't they have to pass it first so we can find out what's in it?

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at November 15, 2013 03:08 PM (7ObY1)

9 *to insurance companies*

I'm the only thing standing between you and the ~~pitchforks~~ losing tons and tons of money.

Posted by: SCOAMF at November 15, 2013 03:08 PM (Tth1q)

10 We have a government that is little more than an out-and-out criminal conspiracy.

Posted by: Commissioner Gordon at November 15, 2013 03:09 PM (g4GX8)

11 Smells like someone is peeling layers off of a rotten onion.

Posted by: Roy at November 15, 2013 03:09 PM (VndSC)

12 I saw Risk Corridor open for Muse on the Resistance tour. Pretty good show.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 15, 2013 03:09 PM (LwqhW)

13 Don't they have to pass it first so we can find out what's in it?
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at November 15, 2013 03:08 PM (7ObY1)

We've been over this - that's a stool sample.

But I see where your confusion comes from.

Posted by: Parker at November 15, 2013 03:10 PM (YkW3i)

14 Oh man, I bet Mark Begich and Kurt Schrader are really going to give the administration an earful about this! There's going to be some heck to pay, I tell you what.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 15, 2013 03:10 PM (+lsX1)

15 But as has been noted elsewhere, the risk corridor program “doesn’t need to be budget neutral; if the math demands it, the government can pay out more than it collects through the program.” CMS’s comments today imply that it’s contemplating exactly that—undoing the concept of budget neutrality for the risk corridor program, and using it to compensate insurers for their losses.

B-but I thought Obammycare wasn't going to add one dime to the deficit!

[/sarc]

Why are they worried about budget neutrality anyway? Wouldn't that require having a fucking budget?

[/sarc again]

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 15, 2013 03:10 PM (4df7R)

16
The "Constitutional Scholar" knows that the Executive Branch isn't allowed to write legislation, right?

Especially revenue-related legislation.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 15, 2013 03:10 PM (PZ6/M)

17 Yeah time to repeal.

Posted by: NWConservative at November 15, 2013 03:11 PM (M1gmo)

18 Be nice if a Republican would sponsor a bill that requires all legislators voting in favor of a bill to swear under penalty of perjury that they have read the entire bill. It won't have any legal/practical effect, but at least you could hang the unintended consequences around their necks more easily -- you swore you read it and you didn't say anything???

Posted by: SFGoth at November 15, 2013 03:11 PM (Rjrgs)

19 Does this punch a SMOD-sized hole in the debt ceiling?

Posted by: t-bird at November 15, 2013 03:12 PM (FcR7P)

20 Don't they have to pass it first so we can find out what's in it?

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at November 15, 2013 03:08 PM

Hell, they have to finish WRITING it first!

Not only are they constantly filling in those millions of little glitches that slipped through, but they are probably working at this very moment to revise the language so that Choom Boy's clumsy flailing is allegedly legal.

As they do with the Congressional Record, they are "revising and extending" the laws to fit the conditions of the moment. And tossing the old news down the Memory Hole.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 15, 2013 03:12 PM (kaGpp)

21 Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Posted by: Rube Goldberg at November 15, 2013 03:13 PM (Tth1q)

22 Litmus test: Repeal ACA

http://tinyurl.com/d69rzqc

Claude Frédéric Bastiat (French: 30 June 1801 – 24 December 1850) was a French classical liberal theorist, political economist, and member of the French assembly. He was notable for developing the important economic concept of opportunity cost, and for penning the influential Parable of the Broken Window. His ideas have gone on to provide a foundational basis for libertarian and the Austrian schools of thought. Bastiat's most famous work is The Law, originally published as a pamphlet in 1850. Bastiat asserted that the sole purpose of government is to protect the right of an individual to life, liberty, and property, and why it is dangerous and morally wrong for government to interfere with an individual's other personal matters. From this, Bastiat concluded that the law cannot defend life, liberty, and property if it promotes "legal [or legalized] plunder," which he defined as using government force and laws to take something from one individual and give it to others (as opposed to a transfer of property via mutually-agreed contracts, without using fraud nor violent threats against the other party). In The Law, he wrote that everyone has a right to protect "his person, his liberty, and his property". The State should be only a "substitution of a common force for individual forces" to defend this right. "Justice" (defense of one's life, liberty, property) has precise limits, but if government power extends further, into philanthropic endeavors, government becomes so limitless that it can grow endlessly. The resulting statism is "based on this triple hypothesis: the total inertness of mankind, the omnipotence of the law, and the infallibility of the legislator." The public then becomes socially-engineered by the legislator and must bend to the legislators' will "like the clay to the potter":

"I do not dispute their right to invent social combinations, to advertise them, to advocate them, and to try them upon themselves, at their own expense and risk. But I do dispute their right to impose these plans upon us by law – by force – and to compel us to pay for them with our taxes".

Bastiat posits that the law becomes perverted when it punishes one's right to self-defense (of his life, liberty, and property) in favor of another's right to "legalized plunder," which he defines as: "if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime."

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 03:13 PM (MhA4j)

23 Okay, I'm near the end of my day after barely sleeping last night. Could somebody give me a zombie-moron-friendly summary?

Posted by: Cthulhu at November 15, 2013 03:13 PM (RD7QR)

24
So CMS is the bag man to pay off the Insurance Companies?

Now we see why they got the job in the first place.

Posted by: wheatie at November 15, 2013 03:14 PM (c87DZ)

25 Bribery? C'mon!!

You've become so jaded. Who would ever imagine a bribe in D.C.?

Harumph!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 15, 2013 03:14 PM (DmNpO)

26
Risk Corridor? Isn't that on the B side of Highway to Hell?
And if anyone asks what a B side is
Just F YOU! I am an old fart!

Posted by: JB1000 at November 15, 2013 03:14 PM (16OL0)

27 You said "risk corridor". *tee-hee*

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at November 15, 2013 03:14 PM (FcR7P)

28 So CMS is the bag man to pay off the Insurance Companies?

Now we see why they got the job in the first place.

***

Not CGI

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 15, 2013 03:14 PM (DmNpO)

29 Oh, and Elder God sock off.

Posted by: joncelli at November 15, 2013 03:15 PM (RD7QR)

30 The "Constitutional Scholar" knows that the Executive Branch isn't allowed to write legislation, right?Especially revenue-related legislation.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 15, 2013 03:10 PM (PZ6/M)

Sure he does! But he's just saying words; no writing involved.Totes legit.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 15, 2013 03:15 PM (4df7R)

31 A bailout for the insurance companies when they are inevitably overrun with costs? How is this different from just nationalizing the whole health care system? Within a few years, at most, the bulk of Americans health care would be paid for with deficit driving funds. This means either deficits beyond our wildest nightmares or the death panels working overtime to control costs.

This is a war and most people don't even know it's happening because there aren't any bombs going off. But people will suffer and die in vast numbers. You can be sure of that.

Posted by: Epobirs at November 15, 2013 03:15 PM (kcfmt)

32 I know we all see them as interchangeable, but I wish people would substitute the term "American taxpayer dollars" instead of "subsidies" for the benefit of the synapse-challenged LIV's who don't make the immediate connection.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 15, 2013 03:15 PM (ZshNr)

33 And if anyone asks what a B side is
Just F YOU! I am an old fart!
Posted by: JB1000 at November 15, 2013 03:14 PM (16OL0)

In the immortal words of Blue Oyster Cult:

Time everlasting
Time to play B-sides
Time ain't on my side
Time I'll never know

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at November 15, 2013 03:16 PM (7ObY1)

34 Rove showed the letter last night on the Kelley Files. Im glad Rubio is moving on this, but it needs a lot more publicity.

Posted by: LASue at November 15, 2013 03:16 PM (gjIQF)

35 It'll be like tossing a hotdog down a long risk corridor.

Posted by: SCOAMT at November 15, 2013 03:16 PM (Tth1q)

36 ha knew it was coming

Posted by: Bigby's Thumb at November 15, 2013 03:16 PM (CozRk)

37 They have that meeting yet? The one with the insurance company CEOs at the White House where they sign up to get their payoff.

Posted by: Whut? at November 15, 2013 03:16 PM (pq8yV)

38 There will never be a death spiral.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at November 15, 2013 03:16 PM (ugAvG)

39 Chinese water torture works well on wankers

Posted by: stuff Sun Tzu said but didn't write down at November 15, 2013 03:16 PM (omBWL)

40 You know all those movies and stories about the guy that commits one little crime 'cause he thinks he can get away with it?

But he doesn't and he has to take ever and ever more drastic measures to cover up that original crime?

Hell, even Breaking Bad was all this.

"Just gonna make a little meth, sock away a couple hundred thousand to take care of my family when I'm gone and that's it."

End of the day, he's ruined or killed everyone he ever cared about and left behind a pile of corpses.

Well, that's what's going on here: Breaking Bad--The Obamacare Files.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 15, 2013 03:17 PM (VjL9S)

41 1 So, fascism.

Posted by: Lauren at November 15, 2013 03:05 PM (hFL/3)

Yes.... for Corporatism is Fascism....

But please.... I am Il Duce! stop calling that Obama upstart El Douche, its confusing the peons...

Posted by: Benitto Musolini at November 15, 2013 03:18 PM (lZBBB)

42 38
There will never be a death spiral.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at November 15, 2013 03:16 PM (ugAvG)

Not if Bambi keeps bailing them out. Of course then they'll be beholden to the government but maybe they should have thought of that when they made the original deal.

Posted by: joncelli at November 15, 2013 03:18 PM (RD7QR)

43 ...I wish people would substitute the term "American
taxpayer dollars" instead of "subsidies" for the benefit of the
synapse-challenged LIV's who don't make the immediate connection.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 15, 2013 03:15 PM

I prefer "taxpayer-funded handouts to the wealthy friends of the administration," myself.

Or "illegal payoffs." Take your pick.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 15, 2013 03:18 PM (kaGpp)

44 REPEAL

IMPEACH

Posted by: Parker at November 15, 2013 03:07 PM (YkW3i)

This.

Posted by: 2014 campaign slogan at November 15, 2013 03:18 PM (hO9ad)

45 I loathe CMS with the passionate hatred I have for 10,000 burning clownspiders.

Of course it's a slush fund. Of course CMS is going to buy the insurers off. It's the Chicago Way.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at November 15, 2013 03:18 PM (VtjlW)

46 my understanding is that the bail out money is temporary- once it's gone, though,insurance companyscan always find a way to get it back. to the public it will sound like helping some quasi government entity "help" the public- kind of like fanny and freddie. and because no individual will write a check that says "bailout" or "bribe" on it- what the heck...

Posted by: tully sempronicus at November 15, 2013 03:19 PM (lB/5N)

47
And since CMS will no doubt just be siphoning more and more money from the Medicare system to pay for this slush fund, I guess we all know how many old people they plan on taking care of in the future.

Y'know - the people who have been promised that money to pay their medical bills in old age......

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 15, 2013 03:19 PM (PZ6/M)

48
So the plot thickens and more and more bullshit is exposed.
No more Mr. Nice Guy......Full Repeal or Bust. Cuz if it isn't repealed we are certainly going to be busted more. As if 17 fucking trillion dollar debt isn't big enough.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 15, 2013 03:19 PM (HVff2)

49 So, let me get this straight. It's totally wrong and awful for insurance companies to "profit off of you" unless those profits come from tax dollars that are collected from you. And technically, shouldn't this be called a no risk corridor?

Posted by: no good deed at November 15, 2013 03:19 PM (k55Fc)

50 'Breaking Bad' was much better written and acted than this Clusterfrack

Posted by: stuff Sun Tzu said but didn't write down at November 15, 2013 03:19 PM (omBWL)

51
28...Not CGI

Thanks, NDH...I just figured that out.
I'm getting these acronyms confused.

Posted by: wheatie at November 15, 2013 03:19 PM (c87DZ)

52 End of the day, he's ruined or killed everyone he ever cared about and left behind a pile of corpses.

Well, that's what's going on here: Breaking Bad--The Obamacare Files.

I like the analogy.

(And I'm still so glad that Jesse Pinkman survived. That was all I really asked of the finale. I had hoped Mike the Fixer would survive too, but at least Jesse got out.)

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at November 15, 2013 03:19 PM (7ObY1)

53 I saw CMS open for CGI at Battle of the Acronyms in '78 at The Roxy.

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 15, 2013 03:19 PM (LSJmV)

54 How about a movie review!!!!

Posted by: polynikes at November 15, 2013 03:19 PM (m2CN7)

55 Posted by: JB1000 at November 15, 2013 03:14 PM (16OL0)

I saw Risk Corridor open for the Stray Cats in 83 at a Day on the Green...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 15, 2013 03:19 PM (lZBBB)

56 Thanks, NDH...I just figured that out.
I'm getting these acronyms confused.

***

that's easy to do.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 15, 2013 03:19 PM (DmNpO)

57 Can we go back to talking about Bananas and Tailpipes? I get that stuff...besides math is hard.

Posted by: Reggie Love at November 15, 2013 03:20 PM (4mTwY)

58
12 I saw Risk Corridor open for Muse on the Resistance tour. Pretty good show.

Year and venue please.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 15, 2013 03:20 PM (HVff2)

59 Wonder how Rove got the letter.

Posted by: LASue at November 15, 2013 03:21 PM (gjIQF)

60 "the provisions for a bailout -- unrestricted, by the way; there is no
cap on what the feds may spend on these bailouts -- can be used to pay
off insurers"

However, getting into a bailout situation would be a guaranteed budget and deficit exploder, given the enormous sums involved. America spends a sixth of GDP on medical care, and about 40% of that goes via private health insurors.

Which means the next time there's a debt ceiling fight, or a shutdown, the simple response to the administration is "You own this. Obamacare."

And it's pretty clear that the public will for once be able to connect the dots.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 15, 2013 03:21 PM (gqT4g)

61 50 'Breaking Bad' was much better written and acted than this Clusterfrack

If ObamaCare were a script, it would be a Star Wars Prequel by George Lucas.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 15, 2013 03:21 PM (uhAkr)

62 CMS is retarded and their shit is all fucked up. I've heard that they Waaaay overpay Social Security benefit cases ALOT!! By accident or intentionally, thats why they need moar moneys$$$$

Posted by: dananjcon at November 15, 2013 03:22 PM (wmU4G)

63 Okay, I'm near the end of my day after barely sleeping last night. Could somebody give me a zombie-moron-friendly summary?
Posted by: Cthulhu at November 15, 2013 03:13 PM (RD7QR)

Sure! We're fucked and not in the happy fun way.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at November 15, 2013 03:22 PM (VtjlW)

64 Posted by: MrScribbler at November 15, 2013 03:18 PM (kaGpp)

as a Taxpayer.... I prefer...

MY TAX DOLLAR....

make it personal.... and it also throws an elbow at those who don't pay taxes...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 15, 2013 03:22 PM (lZBBB)

65 Aren't they a foreign entity? How can they get away with this? Oh, wait...I forgot that this ain't the land I grew up in. Never mind.

Posted by: Just askin' at November 15, 2013 03:22 PM (Dwehj)

66 This money for these corridors and whatnot, where is that coming from again?

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 15, 2013 03:22 PM (LSJmV)

67
I need access to a govt slush fund. Its the way to go.

This is just more chaos. The press conf fix (not even a law, just words!)create another problem, which CMS tries to solve (illegally!) which in turn will create another chain of problems like dominoes.

And by the way, this is still only for a year and then we are back to all the cancellations again.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 15, 2013 03:22 PM (iGPSR)

68 Totally O/T,

I just want to say that I think the commenters here are amazing. I recently heard Shep and a commenter talking about a topic that was discussed here at least a week ago. Being ahead of Shep is not that hard, of course, but this has happened before, too. So, I just want tothank everybody here.

Posted by: Chilling the most at November 15, 2013 03:22 PM (gxtMZ)

69
The house needs to pass a bill that says no waivers for anyone, including congress and the president.

Repeal would be assured if it went to the Senate.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 15, 2013 03:23 PM (Lo5Rt)

70 63
Okay, I'm near the end of my day after barely sleeping last night. Could somebody give me a zombie-moron-friendly summary?

Posted by: Cthulhu at November 15, 2013 03:13 PM (RD7QR)

Sure! We're fucked and not in the happy fun way.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at November 15, 2013 03:22 PM (VtjlW)

So same as always, then. Thanks, my queen.

Posted by: joncelli at November 15, 2013 03:23 PM (RD7QR)

71 #18

Then you'd have bills with maybe two dozen members voting. At most. The main reason they have those bloated staff is to digest the vast mound of crap legislation that is in process at any given moment. This should have been taken as an indicator that there was far too much law being made at the federal level but that would require integrity and other virtues.

I'd be surprised if the average member of Congress was truly conversant on even one in 25 of the items he votes upon. Usually it is left up to a wonk on his staff and/or an allied Congressman who is focused on the item in question.

Posted by: Epobirs at November 15, 2013 03:23 PM (kcfmt)

72 The "Constitutional Scholar" knows that the Executive Branch isn't allowed to write legislation, right?Especially revenue-related legislation.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 15, 2013 03:10 PM (PZ6/M)
_____________________
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

Posted by: Preznit Urkel X at November 15, 2013 03:23 PM (32Ze2)

73 I like slushies. I also like the nice Indian guy that serves them to me.

Posted by: Joey Biden at November 15, 2013 03:23 PM (m2CN7)

74

We have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House

Posted by: John McCain at November 15, 2013 03:24 PM (Pr6hk)

75 Repeal, repeal, repeal. Period.

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 15, 2013 03:24 PM (LSJmV)

76 70 63
Okay, I'm near the end of my day after barely sleeping last night. Could somebody give me a zombie-moron-friendly summary?

Posted by: Cthulhu at November 15, 2013 03:13 PM (RD7QR)

Sure! We're fucked and not in the happy fun way.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at November 15, 2013 03:22 PM (VtjlW)

I like the image of Cthulhu waking up and us telling him we're already fucked.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 15, 2013 03:24 PM (uhAkr)

77 Try explaining the Teapot Dome scandal to your kids.
Every history book treats it as if it's a BF Deal.

Then you gotta tell them it's just standard procedure now. Routine.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 15, 2013 03:24 PM (dfYL9)

78 There will never be a death spiral.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at November 15, 2013 03:16 PM (ugAvG)

Guess what what happens when the federal government has to borrow 4 trillion dollars a year just to keep Obamacare going.

Posted by: Methos at November 15, 2013 03:25 PM (hO9ad)

79 OT, but have we discussed this item over at Drudge?

Congressman: Benghazi attackers knew location of ambassador's safe room
Fox News: http://tiny.cc/hnxl6w

The terrorists who attacked the Benghazi consulate last year knew the location of the safe room where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his security team sought shelter, according to a congressman who spoke for 90 minutes with the diplomatic security agent severely injured in the assault.

"He confirmed this - that it was a very well orchestrated, and well organized, almost a military operation, using military weapons and using military signals," the late Florida Rep. Bill Young said after meeting diplomatic security agent David Ubben at Walter Reed Medical Center last summer, when both were patients there.

...

"He (Ubben) emphasized the fact that it was a very, very military type of operation they had knowledge of almost everything in the compound," Young explained. "They knew where the gasoline was, they knew where the generators were, they knew where the safe room was, they knew more than they should have about that compound."...

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 15, 2013 03:25 PM (4df7R)

80 Looks like a little competition has brought Rubio back onto the conservative team.

Posted by: Ted Cruz at November 15, 2013 03:25 PM (Pr6hk)

81 16. Yes, the constitutional scholar, House Subcommittee on the Constitution, Congressman Trent Franks has filed amicus brief with 30 colleagues to overturn Obamacare, Nov 12, 2013.
http://tinyurl.com/khoxl3f

The following Congressional amici curiae have joined this brief:

Rep. Trent Franks

Rep. Michele Bachmann

Rep. Joe Barton

Rep. Kerry L. Bentivolio

Rep. Marsha Blackburn

Rep. Jim Bridenstine

Rep. Mo Brooks

Rep. Steve Chabot

Rep. K. Michael Conaway

Rep. Jeff Duncan

Rep. John Duncan

Rep. John Fleming

Rep. Bob Gibbs

Rep. Louie Gohmert

Rep. Andy Harris

Rep. Tim Huelskamp

Rep. Walter B. Jones, Jr.

Rep. Steve King

Rep. Doug LaMalfa

Rep. Doug Lamborn

Rep. Bob Latta

Rep. Thomas Massie

Rep. Mark Meadows

Rep. Randy Neugebauer

Rep. Stevan Pearce

Rep. Robert Pittenger

Rep. Trey Radel

Rep. David P. Roe

Rep. Todd Rokita

Rep. Matt Salm

Rep. Mark Sanford

Rep. David Schweikert

Rep. Marlin A. Stutzman

Rep. Lee Terry

Rep. Tim Walberg

Rep. Randy K. Weber, Sr.

Rep. Brad R. Wenstrup

Rep. Lyne A. Westmoreland

Rep. Rob Wittman

Rep. Ted S. Yoho

http://tinyurl.com/mqzksd5
The 30-page hard-hitting brief in Sissel v. HHS, No. 13-5202

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 03:25 PM (MhA4j)

82 I was always in favor of repeal (when its popular) wackobirds!

Posted by: John McCain at November 15, 2013 03:25 PM (M1gmo)

83 This just in: Eric Holder confirmed that neither he nor President Obama knew anything about this issue, except for what he'd seen in the funny papers.

Posted by: Fritz at November 15, 2013 03:26 PM (UzPAd)

84 Repeal lies at the end of a road, whether short or long we don't yet know, but Upton, etc. are the first steps down it. Standing at the on ramp and wishing yourself to your destination isn't going to do any good.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 15, 2013 03:26 PM (ZshNr)

85 77 Try explaining the Teapot Dome scandal to your kids.
Every history book treats it as if it's a BF Deal.

that was when Nixon and the TEA party murdered Matthew Shepard, right?

Posted by: Low Info Voter at November 15, 2013 03:26 PM (uhAkr)

86
Doctor: Scalpel.

Nurse: Scalpel.

Doctor: Spoon

Nurse: um..

Doctor: I said Spoon!

Nurse: There is no spoon.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 15, 2013 03:28 PM (iGPSR)

87 The "Constitutional Scholar" knows that the Executive Branch isn't allowed to write legislation, right?Especially revenue-related legislation.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 15, 2013 03:10 PM (PZ6/M)

You must study something to find its weak points, in order to destroy it...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 15, 2013 03:28 PM (lZBBB)

88 Should you be surprised. The Canadians found shell games happening with cash for the long gun registry. Making illegal transfers to hide costs and then trying to hide they did make such transfers.

And that boondoggle ended up costing the Canadian taxpayers $2 billion.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 15, 2013 03:29 PM (0fdrC)

89 83 This just in: Eric Holder confirmed that neither he nor President Obama knew anything about this issue, except for what he'd seen in the funny papers.
Posted by: Fritz at November 15, 2013 03:26 PM (UzPAd)

You Americans! Always mit der wisecrackers! You are de kraziest people! Dat ist vy I luff you!!!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 03:29 PM (olDqf)

90 Guess what what happens when the federal government has to borrow 4 trillion dollars a year just to keep Obamacare going.
Posted by: Methos at November 15, 2013 03:25 PM (hO9ad)
_____________________________
I, ummmmmmmmmmmm, think that the Trillionaires and, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Billionaires should....... paymoretaxes. These folks, ummmmmmmm, have made enough. How much, ahhhhhhhhhhhh, do they need?

Posted by: Preznit Urkel X at November 15, 2013 03:29 PM (32Ze2)

91 Your move, Senator Cruz.

Posted by: Mr. Powerstroke Super Duty 4X4 King Ranch Edition at November 15, 2013 03:30 PM (LSJmV)

92 Try explaining the Teapot Dome scandal to your kids. Every history book treats it as if it's a BF Deal. that was when Nixon and the TEA party murdered Matthew Shepard, right?
Posted by: Low Info Voter at November 15, 2013 03:26 PM (uhAkr

You're so stupid. No it was when Bush and the teaparty purposely killed those people at the Super Dome after Katrina. I swear some people need to pick up a newspaper.

Posted by: Low Info Voter's friend who is know it all LIV at November 15, 2013 03:30 PM (m2CN7)

93 Breaking News:
Parnell: Alaska won't expand Medicaid
Gov. Sean Parnell announced Friday that Alaska will not participate in Medicaid expansion under the Affordable Care Act, describing it as a "failed experiment."
Stay turgid, Morons.

Posted by: SnakePlizzken at November 15, 2013 03:31 PM (RpM6k)

94 http://tinyurl.com/mqzksd5 The 30-page hard-hitting brief in Sissel v. HHS, No. 13-5202

I see my douchebag rep isn't on that list. Words fail me.

Posted by: Infidel at November 15, 2013 03:31 PM (O/fK8)

95 80 Looks like a little competition has brought Rubio back onto the conservative team.
Posted by: Ted Cruz at November 15, 2013 03:25 PM (Pr6hk)

Meh. I do NOT trust him. I'll take his vote on this, but he gets no trust from me at all. Even if he votes the right way in the Senate for the next 30 years. I will never trust him.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 03:31 PM (olDqf)

96 PAY2 PLAY

Posted by: 2X4 at November 15, 2013 03:31 PM (QupBk)

97 93 Stay turgid, Morons.
Posted by: SnakePlizzken at November 15, 2013 03:31 PM (RpM6k)

Turgid. Is that like a frigid turd?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 03:31 PM (olDqf)

98 Posted by: Low Info Voter's friend who is know it all LIV at November 15, 2013 03:30 PM (m2CN7)

I thought it was when the CIA gave crack to the Blacks, LSD to students, and Aids to the Gays...

Posted by: LIV's cousin at November 15, 2013 03:32 PM (lZBBB)

99 What did Teapot Dome do in the end, though, really? Other than put a minor stink on Harding's rule.

Harding got himself deaded in the middle of the scandal and Coolidge did fine until he left office peacefully 1928.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 15, 2013 03:32 PM (GMIOa)

100 Seriously, people need to be calling their state legislators up and ask them to call for an Article V convention. We are not powerless spectators. David Long along with legislators from Wisconsin, Kansas, Oklahoma, are asking that each state send three people to Mount Vernon to discuss options for an Article V convention. He was on Mark Levin's radio show a couple of days ago.

Here's an article talking about it...

http://tinyurl.com/p39kgbg

Posted by: NWConservative at November 15, 2013 03:32 PM (M1gmo)

101 Turgid. Is that like a frigid turd?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

++++++++++++++++++++++++

Kinda, but only pointy on one end.

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 15, 2013 03:32 PM (LSJmV)

102 Meh. I do NOT trust him. I'll take his vote on this, but he gets no trust from me at all. Even if he votes the right way in the Senate for the next 30 years. I will never trust him.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 03:31 PM (olDqf)
_______________________
This^^. Rubio is dead to me. I will take his Zombie vote, but he is dead to me.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 15, 2013 03:32 PM (32Ze2)

103 So Obamacare is the cause of, and the solution to, all of the insurance companies' problems. Awesome.

Posted by: Marmo at November 15, 2013 03:33 PM (QW+AD)

104 Meh. I do NOT trust him. I'll take his vote on this, but he gets no trust from me at all. Even if he votes the right way in the Senate for the next 30 years. I will never trust him.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 03:31 PM (olDqf)

I dub thee the Count of Monte Sefton

Posted by: polynikes at November 15, 2013 03:33 PM (m2CN7)

105 85 ---

that was when Nixon and the TEA party murdered Matthew Shepard, right?

Posted by: Low Info Voter at November 15, 2013 03:26 PM (uhAkr)
---------------------------
I think it was Dick Cheney, the bald guy, not Nixon.
You know, like he has a "dome."

Posted by: Even Lower IV at November 15, 2013 03:33 PM (dfYL9)

106 My dad, king of the malaprops, used to call CNN "CN and N."

I miss that boy, but glad he is not here to see what the hell happened to his country.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 03:33 PM (olDqf)

107 There's a point no one's addressing that gravitates to the termination of ACA, reverting to the market while removing such regulations as to enable policy interstate available sales, open policy available to all small businesses with same benefit/price features as policy reserved for global corporations.

Presently we are as a nation not covered during the limbo given ACA. This is the opportunity of Obama puppeteers to unleash germ warfare on Americans to force us all at the corporatist' "mercy". No, I am not a conspiracy theorist. I am, however, wary of real threats and our vulnerability at this time. And it would be the asskissers response to cry in tragedy, "Save us, Obama" as though he ever would under ANY circumstance.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 03:33 PM (MhA4j)

108 Every thing a prog says is not only wrong, but it is as wrong as wrong can be. Case in point: Obama's fighting for the middle class. Obama's making sure the ghetto free shit army is getting lots of gravy and Obama is making sure that the Wall Street free shit army is getting lots of gravy and Obama is making sure that the middle class finance the free gravy.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 15, 2013 03:33 PM (Hx5uv)

109 104 I dub thee the Count of Monte Sefton
Posted by: polynikes at November 15, 2013 03:33 PM (m2CN7)

Ach, soooooo.....

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 03:34 PM (olDqf)

110 I'll answer the question posed by teh title with a question of my own: Is Obama a Chicago/Cook County Democrat?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Reprehension, Condemnation, and More at the Outrage Outlet! at November 15, 2013 03:34 PM (hLRSq)

111 My dad, king of the malaprops, used to call CNN "CN and N."
-

My dad used to say that nobody will have self confidence in you if you don't have self confidence in yourself.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 15, 2013 03:34 PM (Hx5uv)

112 I think it was Dick Cheney, the bald guy, not Nixon.

You know, like he has a "dome."

Posted by: Even Lower IV at November 15, 2013 03:33 PM (dfYL9)

DAm... I thought that Cheney was the one who used Iraqi WMDs to blow up the Twin Towers...

Posted by: LIV's cousin at November 15, 2013 03:35 PM (lZBBB)

113 101 Turgid. Is that like a frigid turd?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

++++++++++++++++++++++++

Kinda, but only pointy on one end.
Posted by: Countrysquire at November 15, 2013 03:32 PM (LSJmV)

There's a great old joke, "How does Tom Carvel take a shit?"

Unfortunately, the punch line is visual.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 03:35 PM (olDqf)

114 Fascism is the enemy of communism. But I never said it wouldn't be a good stepping stone to achieve it.

Posted by: Barack O'Stalin at November 15, 2013 03:35 PM (Pr6hk)

115 I thought it was when the CIA gave crack to the Blacks, LSD to students, and Aids to the Gays...

Those CIA guys are bastards. You know those bourne movies are based on a true story, right?

Posted by: Low Info Voter at November 15, 2013 03:35 PM (uhAkr)

116 So that's why insurance companies have been going along with Obamacare. Finally, big business starts screwing over the people, because the democrats worked out a deal with them. Dems and big business in bed together, stealing from the middle-class.

Projection as performance art.

Fuck them all.

Posted by: Dang at November 15, 2013 03:35 PM (YWXTN)

117 81. Trent plus 39.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 03:36 PM (MhA4j)

118 My dad, king of the malaprops, used to call CNN "CN and N."-My dad used to say that nobody will have self confidence in you if you don't have self confidence in yourself.
Posted by: WalrusRex at November 15, 2013 03:34 PM (Hx5uv)

Are you both Yogi Berra's sons?

Posted by: polynikes at November 15, 2013 03:36 PM (m2CN7)

119
There's a great old joke, "How does Tom Carvel take a shit?"

Unfortunately, the punch line is visual.

---

Is there a joke about someone eating out a Cookiepuss?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 15, 2013 03:36 PM (/Crba)

120 116 So that's why insurance companies have been going along with Obamacare. Finally, big business starts screwing over the people, because the democrats worked out a deal with them. Dems and big business in bed together, stealing from the middle-class.

Projection as performance art.

Fuck them all.
Posted by: Dang at November 15, 2013 03:35 PM (YWXTN)

This is murder!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 03:36 PM (olDqf)

121 22
See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime."

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 03:13 PM (MhA4j)

If you read only one economics book in your life, it should be The Law.

It's very short and easy to read. Unlike many economists, Bastiat didn't have to bury his rational, common-sense arguments under a mountain of dense verbiage.

Posted by: rickl at November 15, 2013 03:36 PM (zoehZ)

122 119 Is there a joke about someone eating out a Cookiepuss?
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 15, 2013 03:36 PM (/Crba)

Cookie O'Puss on St. Patrick's day, maybe.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 03:37 PM (olDqf)

123 This^^. Rubio is dead to me. I will take his Zombie vote, but he is dead to me.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 15, 2013 03:32 PM (32Ze2)
shush.... I want him to think he has a chance, so he'll do things like he did today.

Posted by: phreshone at November 15, 2013 03:37 PM (Pr6hk)

124 Unfortunately, the punch line is visual.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 03:35 PM (olDqf)

don't worry . I visualized it. Heh.

Posted by: polynikes at November 15, 2013 03:37 PM (m2CN7)

125 Those CIA guys are bastards. You know those bourne movies are based on a true story, right?

Posted by: Low Info Voter at November 15, 2013 03:35 PM (uhAkr)

Yeah.. and look what they keep doing to Chuck...

Posted by: Morgan Grimes at November 15, 2013 03:37 PM (lZBBB)

126 DAm... I thought that Cheney was the one who used Iraqi WMDs to blow up the Twin Towers...

I liked that movie, too. What a bitch that Cheney chick was...

Posted by: Low Info Voter at November 15, 2013 03:37 PM (uhAkr)

127 My dad, king of the malaprops, used to call CNN "CN and N."
-

My dad used to say that nobody will have self confidence in you if you don't have self confidence in yourself.

____________________________

My dad uses his middle finger as his pointer finger.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 15, 2013 03:37 PM (iGPSR)

128 Projection as performance art.

Fuck them all.

Posted by: Dang at November 15, 2013 03:35 PM (YWXTN)

I'm waiting for an insurance company exec to get a grant from the NEA to present ObamaCare as depicted in interpretive dance. The Single Payer dance alone will get it banned in 10 states.

Posted by: joncelli at November 15, 2013 03:38 PM (RD7QR)

129 118 Posted by: polynikes at November 15, 2013 03:36 PM (m2CN7)

Could be. My dad confused "Lost in Space" with "Get Smart" and called it "Get Lost."

He also used to call Stallone "Sylvester Stalin."

And on, and on. Now, I will cry...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 03:38 PM (olDqf)

130 Yes, lighting a candle and ringing a bell at the same time as reading Bastiat aloud will surely dispel the invincible Krugtron

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 15, 2013 03:38 PM (GMIOa)

131 114. The mark of modernity is abbreviation. And the mark of the 20th Century evolution is synthesis.

It isn't merely that the two major political parties in the USA have merged into the bipartisan fusion party of shared socialist values.

Fascism and Communism have amalgamated into Global Corporatism.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 03:38 PM (MhA4j)

132 8
Just read the whole thing.

Don't they have to pass it first so we can find out what's in it?
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at November 15, 2013 03:08 PM (7ObY1)

Yeah, maybe we'll actually read laws before we pass them next time.

I don't know about you guys, but I am going to rub this clusterfuck in the faces of all of dems I know. They need to own this, and make sure they remember this come 2014 and 2016.

Posted by: Brewer at November 15, 2013 03:39 PM (eV1I0)

133 Rubio's the guy who makes those colored cubes, right? Dude's gotta be smart..,

Posted by: Low Info Voter at November 15, 2013 03:39 PM (uhAkr)

134 124 don't worry . I visualized it. Heh.
Posted by: polynikes at November 15, 2013 03:37 PM (m2CN7)

(Carvel voice)

"...and for our Jewish friends for the holidays, we have Murray the Moyle."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 03:39 PM (olDqf)

135 -because THE POWER OF MATH COMPELS YOU.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 15, 2013 03:39 PM (GMIOa)

136 We are so fucked.
So it is written, so let it be done.

Posted by: mikeyslaw at November 15, 2013 03:39 PM (lyPWx)

137 131 Fascism and Communism have amalgamated into Global Corporatism.
Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 03:38 PM (MhA4j)

"Rollerball" did it better, no?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 03:40 PM (olDqf)

138 He also used to call Stallone "Sylvester Stalin."

...ahhh, J.J.

/sometime, post that to Stallone.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 03:40 PM (MhA4j)

139 To be quite honest, having 7 degrees (a few of which are in underwater BB stacking, admittedly), I can't keep pace with the twists and turns...

So just call when the shooting starts.

Posted by: tangonine at November 15, 2013 03:40 PM (x3YFz)

140

The Taxpayer's pocket extends all the way to China.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 15, 2013 03:40 PM (IXrOn)

141 This bailout stuff sure sounds like a local story to me.

Posted by: Washington Post at November 15, 2013 03:41 PM (dfYL9)

142

Why that JEF isn't being dragged out in cuffs across the WH lawn is beyond me.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 15, 2013 03:41 PM (IXrOn)

143 141 This bailout stuff sure sounds like a local story to me.
Posted by: Washington Post

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Maybe something for the cables...

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 15, 2013 03:41 PM (LSJmV)

144 Dear Diary,

My plan is coming along nicely. The compliant media and useful idiots have made the suborning of the decadent republic far easier than I possibly could have imagined.

Posted by: Barky at November 15, 2013 03:41 PM (aDwsi)

145 138 He also used to call Stallone "Sylvester Stalin."

...ahhh, J.J.

/sometime, post that to Stallone.
Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 03:40 PM (MhA4j)

Apropos of nothing, years ago, my mom and my dad were shopping at Saks 5th Avenue and shared an elevator ride with Bruce Willis. Mom tried to keep dad quiet and Bruce was such a mensch that he introduced himself and they had a nice little conversation.

He really is a decent guy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 03:42 PM (olDqf)

146 So that's why insurance companies have been going along with Obamacare.

Unlimited bailouts are good for the bottom line. They'd be crazy to fight it.

Posted by: t-bird at November 15, 2013 03:42 PM (FcR7P)

147 We are so fucked.
So it is written, so let it be done.
--------

And the finger having written, moved on.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 15, 2013 03:43 PM (aDwsi)

148 The Single Payer dance alone will get it banned in 10 states.

"...we call it, The Aristocrats!"

Posted by: Brother Cavil, cognito at November 15, 2013 03:43 PM (naUcP)

149 Obama cut another one ( video Kabuki just in time for weekend replay )

Posted by: stuff Sun Tzu said but didn't write down at November 15, 2013 03:43 PM (omBWL)

150 Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 03:38 PM (MhA4j)

One aspect of Corporatism, is that you create social groups, which have spokesmen and leaders, who are that groups input to Government...

Note the Left purposely splits us along Racial Lines, with 'spokes groups' for the Races...

Then Unions... then the Small Business Administration... then AARP...

Then Gays... Then So Cons... then Environmentalists....

All these groups have more influence with the Government, than we, the individual citizen...

Which is the very definition, of Corporatism.... ie, splitting people into groups... then dealing with the group...

Posted by: Morgan Grimes at November 15, 2013 03:43 PM (lZBBB)

151 Posted by: WalrusRex at November 15, 2013 03:33 PM

What you say is true, but I can say with assuredness, the lower class that he is sending money to are not fully aware of it. They have their phones, SSD payments and unemployment, but those are things they are entitled to. The majority did not benefit from Pigford, and their unemployment checks have not increased much. They, of course, revere Obama, but if asked, they would say that he really has not improved their lives.

Posted by: Chilling the most at November 15, 2013 03:44 PM (gxtMZ)

152 Sit corpora ledo area

Posted by: toby928© at November 15, 2013 03:44 PM (QupBk)

153 So that's why insurance companies have been going along with Obamacare. Unlimited bailouts are good for the bottom line. They'd be crazy to fight it.
Posted by: t-bird at November 15, 2013 03:42 PM (FcR7P)

Of course, like every villain throughout history, Obammy and Company would alter the deal after the fact to send the private companies out of business.

I'm sure they didn't expect it to happen so soon, though.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 15, 2013 03:44 PM (4df7R)

154 Bruce Willis was either born or went to grammar school at the tiny base where I served in Germany. Army brat. I've always liked him.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 15, 2013 03:44 PM (ZshNr)

155 So that's why insurance companies have been going along with Obamacare.

Unlimited bailouts are good for the bottom line. They'd be crazy to fight it.

Posted by: t-bird
---------------

AARP likely to reap a billion dollars when the smoke clears.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 15, 2013 03:44 PM (aDwsi)

156

The Single Payer Corridor.

Right this way, please.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 15, 2013 03:45 PM (IXrOn)

157 100 Seriously, people need to be calling their state legislators up and ask them to call for an Article V convention. We are not powerless spectators. David Long along with legislators from Wisconsin, Kansas, Oklahoma, are asking that each state send three people to Mount Vernon to discuss options for an Article V convention. He was on Mark Levin's radio show a couple of days ago.Here's an article talking about it...http://tinyurl.com/p39kgbg
Posted by: NWConservative at November 15, 2013 03:32 PM (M1gmo)

But the new PlayStation is coming out...dude!

Posted by: Havedash at November 15, 2013 03:45 PM (gvqyH)

158 Mom tried to keep dad quiet and Bruce was such a mensch that he introduced himself and they had a nice little conversation. He really is a decent guy.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 15, 2013 03:42 PM (olDqf)

This southern raised boy still can't wrap my brain around the fact that 'mensch' is a complimentary term. It sounds like an insult. My first year in NYC I actually thought a couple of guys I never met who were described to me a mensches were jerks.

Posted by: polynikes at November 15, 2013 03:45 PM (m2CN7)

159 Right this way, please.

One cross each.

Posted by: toby928© at November 15, 2013 03:46 PM (QupBk)

160 AARP likely to reap a billion dollars when the smoke clears.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 15, 2013 03:44 PM (aDwsi)

Don't get me started on AARP.

If the Death Panels are hungry, I recommend they start plying their trade with the administrators of AAR-fucking-P.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 15, 2013 03:46 PM (4df7R)

161 We have our reputation for honesty at stake.

Once we're bought, we stay bought!

Posted by: Your Friendly National Health-Care Insurer, Who's Just Cancelled Your Policy at November 15, 2013 03:46 PM (DLu2s)

162 These will be some well funded 'camps'

Posted by: Bill Ayers at November 15, 2013 03:46 PM (Pr6hk)

163 137. J.J.,
hm, "In a corporate-controlled future, an ultra-violent sport known as Rollerball represents the world, and one of its powerful athletes is out to defy those who want him out of the game." James Caan, (1975)

I'm not sure I've seen that, yet. Maybe just doesn't ring a bell. Netflix "my list" for the weekend.

There's also the illustration of what happens when you owe the corporatist and can't pay. See "The Continuum" a Canadian tv series (Netflix available). Interesting trivia, the female star earned her way through school (blue collar family) with a degree in Physics.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 03:47 PM (MhA4j)

164 Rubio's the guy who makes those colored cubes, right? Dude's gotta be smart..,

Posted by: Low Info Voter

Nah, man. Rubio's the guy with the fish tacos. Good stuff.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 15, 2013 03:47 PM (rSTkb)

165 Rubio's the guy with the fish tacos. Good stuff.

I thought he was Peter Pan's lieutenant.

Posted by: toby928© at November 15, 2013 03:48 PM (QupBk)

166 You know what would have been cool? If debates over these things would have happened BEFORE the fucking bill was voted on. Oh yeah, I forgot Nanzi's 'Pass it to find out whats in it' clause.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at November 15, 2013 03:48 PM (9Bdcz)

167 Who the heck is Sally Kohn? What do you make of an article that opens with this???

(CNN) -- The Obamacare website might still be slow, but the politics and context of Obamacare are shifting rapidly. On Thursday, to deal with some of the grousing about canceled insurance plans, President Obama announced an administrative fix to allow people to keep those crummy plans (that they think they like) for up to a year. This should quiet some of the complaints within his own party, though certainly not Republicans, who will just find another reason to attack Obama and health care reform.

Posted by: Obama's 2009 Teleprompter at November 15, 2013 03:49 PM (gXtDC)

168 I'm not sure I've seen that, yet. Maybe just doesn't ring a bell. Netflix "my list" for the weekend.

They remade it with Chris Klein, LL Cool J, and Rebecca Romijn back it he early 2000s I think.

Posted by: no good deed at November 15, 2013 03:49 PM (k55Fc)

169 Nah, man. Rubio's the guy with the fish tacos.

Rubio has a vajayjay?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2013 03:50 PM (p9JxP)

170
You just hatin on da man cause he black.

Posted by: Oprah Winfrey - race hustler at November 15, 2013 03:50 PM (iGPSR)

171 145. Willis, I'd have to agree that he really does come across as "real" or down to earth in relationships, the way he sees people. Really, after splitting with Demi, keeping the family together amicably while the kids grew up. That takes guts, and not feeling threatened while "maturing".

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 03:51 PM (MhA4j)

172 I was told there would be no math on this blog, but wouldn't the insurers still be taking a loss?

The insurers are covered for 50% of their losses up to 103% and 80% over 103%.

They would still be _losing_ money, just not on the hook for all the losses. Perhaps they'd make it up on volume?

Posted by: lymond at November 15, 2013 03:51 PM (fzxq4)

173
Sally Kohn has licked more pussy than Sir Edmund Hillary Rodham Clinton, and that's a lot of pussy.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 15, 2013 03:53 PM (pJF+c)

174
This payoff scheme reminds me of the SCOAMTT admin ordering the defense contractors to break the law and not inform employees of impending layoffs before the election, and telling them they would cover their legal costs for breaking the law.
BTW, the architect of that scheme was just named IRS something or other.

Posted by: Justamom at November 15, 2013 03:54 PM (Sptt8)

175 glad he is not here to see what the hell happened to his country.

I think the same about my dad all the time. He'd be what we used to call WIFPO: wicked fuckin' pissed off. Or quite likely FWIFPO, with a double dose of the f word.

Man, what I'd give to play another round of golf with the old man, even with the knowledge that he'd still beat the crap out of me. He died too young to shoot his age (59), but he'd be able to do it now. *sniff*

Posted by: jakeman at November 15, 2013 03:55 PM (vH4YP)

176 So first and foremost: people hate insurance companies. This gives reason to hate them even more.

Insurance companies basically sold us, and the country out for a payday. Instead of fighting for what was right, they joined the Vichy Left for profit.

Fuck them. I hope they bleed profits and die.

Notwithstanding this part of the train wreck, it is merely the engine. Wait until we get to the caboose with tons of new taxes (look at your paycheck or the new 3.9% tax on so-called luxury home sales) and issues such as denial of prescriptions or life sustaining treatment, when government bureaucrats decide it's time for you to die.

Any Democrat that can't see this entire law they created and foisted upon everyone else is destroying our country and the best health care system in the world should be rode out of Washington on a rail.

2104 can't come soon enough.,

Posted by: Marcus at November 15, 2013 03:55 PM (i5wRf)

177 Just wait until next year:
(1) Employer-based plans, the vast majority of plans in the country, getcancelled just like the individual market plans did;
(2) New exorbitant rates come out just before elections for all compliant plans across the board;
(3) Sooner or later taxpenalties are going to be imposed, and tax payer refunds are going to be snatched by the government, to recoup the penaltiesfor everyone who refused to buy the over-priced boondoggle plans;
(4) Despite all the "fixes" floating around, the death spiral/government insurance company bailout gets into full swing; and
(5) If catastrophic individual market plans are re-newed illegally, and an insured wants the Obamacare compliant benefits anyway,every enterprising plaintiff's attorney will file suit for the benefits regardless - because the law requires their provision, no matter what "enforcement discretion" the President thinks he has.
Oh, and in all seriousness,in a group of several million who are having their plans cancelled, someone who couldn't get another plan through the nightmarish government site is going to have a personal health crisis during that lapse. Then, God save the souls of anyone who brought this on them.

Posted by: bs at November 15, 2013 03:55 PM (6x1q+)

178 panzernashorn, Rollerball is a must. The '70s flick I need to re-watch is Logan's Run. Jenny Agutter, yum.

Posted by: jakeman at November 15, 2013 03:59 PM (vH4YP)

179 150. Posted by: Morgan Grimes at November 15, 2013 03:43 PM (lZBBB)

You are right.

Before logging back on ace, I was reading the impetus of French early Romantics Saint-Simon and Lamennais from the Revolution through Napoleonic eras then to 1850 and Bastiat. I hadn't realized that Saint-Simon fought under Gen. George Washington at the Battle of York before returning to France. Wikipedia attempts to frame him as the pioneer of Technocracy. But really, that's taking what measure of amicable reform he had and perverting and violating the ideas through manipulative opportunists in like manner as what happened when Lamennais' reform efforts were usurped and twisted by the likes of a Marx, for instance. It's a huge leap, just like taking the American Revolution and pretending that the French Revolution was "the same". /except for all the obvious differences, Reign of Terror, assassinations of all aristocrats, blood for blood's sake, making Napoleonic France just another feudal system all about the Emperor.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 04:00 PM (MhA4j)

180 178 Logan's Run I remember, heh

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 04:01 PM (MhA4j)

181 170. sentiment does not cause skin to be a color

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 15, 2013 04:02 PM (MhA4j)

182 I guess the Bible is right on this one. Sooner or later the light will shine on those who deal in the darkness.

Posted by: Soona at November 15, 2013 04:03 PM (66ULQ)

183 Oh, and in all seriousness,in a group of several million who are having their plans cancelled, someone who couldn't get another plan through the nightmarish government site is going to have a personal health crisis during that lapse. Then, God save the souls of anyone who brought this on them.
Posted by: bs at November 15, 2013 03:55 PM (6x1q+)

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This and the death panels are the reasons that I'm predicting that if this clusterfuck isn't repealed, blood will be spilled. Anger at politics is one thing, but anger that politics purposely killed a loved one is something else entirely.

Posted by: Soona at November 15, 2013 04:08 PM (66ULQ)

184 "Them as has, gits."

my dad

Posted by: creeper at November 15, 2013 04:14 PM (eR310)

185 Oh, and in all seriousness,in a group of several million who are having their plans cancelled, someone who couldn't get another plan through the nightmarish government site is going to have a personal health crisis during that lapse.

Ted Poe on local morning radio said one of his constituents is expecting a baby on Dec. 31, and policy is also being cancelled at midnight. Instead of being a joyous day, they now live in fear.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at November 15, 2013 04:17 PM (9Bdcz)

186 Settled Law!

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 15, 2013 04:18 PM (jfUIE)

187 Wait, I thought the Democrats were supposed to hate insurance companies? Right ..

Posted by: Chris Dodd, smoking a fat cigar at November 15, 2013 04:25 PM (CMlD4)

188 If so, President Choom's donors are going to be pissed. All of that type of money is supposed to go to them.

Posted by: RoadRunner at November 15, 2013 04:29 PM (tpfUY)

189 "The house needs to pass a bill that says no waivers for anyone, including congress and the president."

As long as there is a Democrat dictator in charge of the Senate, anything the House does is just for show. And as long as we have a Democrat/Leftist controlled MSM, the average person won't even see that show.

Posted by: whoever at November 15, 2013 04:38 PM (yUY1h)

190 @theh2, @asymmetricinfo if ACA has funds to bail out losing insurers, where does death spiral come from?

Posted by: AtParisParamus at November 15, 2013 04:40 PM (NnyL2)

191 I don't know why CMS thinks they need to offer a bailout to get insurance companies to keep playing ball. They could just offer the insurance company executives free family photos, and I'm sure they'll all stay right in line....

Posted by: Captain Glenn Quagmire at November 15, 2013 04:54 PM (1o4B5)

192 37 They have that meeting yet? The one with the insurance company CEOs at the White House where they sign up to get their payoff.
Posted by: Whut? at November 15, 2013 03:16 PM (pq8yV)
You know Whut? They DID have sucha meeting a few weeks back. I've been wondering what it was about. You may have hit the nail on the head!

Posted by: EyeTest at November 15, 2013 05:00 PM (ReC4P)

193 We've impeached EVERY Democrat president since 1981, except Obama. Why not just do that?

Posted by: Illini Bill at November 15, 2013 05:22 PM (46u2y)

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