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Slate's Double-X Dummies Embarrass Themselves Again
The funny thing is, even Slate's readers -- who are themselves very liberal -- are revolted by the stupidity.
@johnekdahl thinks this is a deliberate attempt to get links by writing shit that's so ducking fumb that people like me have to link it. I've floated that theory before myself, about Slate's egregious article claiming that an AP story about a woman who fell from a building was Slut-Shaming You Guys. This is actually a real technique: The Daily Mail, I think, put that non-beautiful woman up to writing about how beautiful she was. They knew that would get a reaction. So here were are again, and Slate is embarrassing itself yet again, in the hopes of collecting some links. Well there you go. Are you happy? What is the article about? Well, it's a response to an article (of course it's a response to an article; God forbid one of these ninnies write something on their own initiative, instead of being forever reactionaries) that was published in the New York Times celebrating the uses of quiet in life, how quiet aids one in thinking, how it helps one maintain a balance and calm, and so on. I have not read it and don't plan to because no one has to sell me on the benefits of a round of cold crisp Shut Up Juice for the house. Her response? What a horrible attack on women. #WarOnWomen. Yes that's right, she's sort of right there saying "Women are Super Loud and Noisy and Never Shut Up and Can Never Get to the Point of a Story!" But it's okay for her to say that, because she's An Feminist, and she's claiming being a loud, caterwauling whiner is some sort of positive contribution to society.And yet. Something off-putting lurks behind Prochnik’s whole Mr. Darling “a little less noise there” routine. Maybe it’s just that the expectation that one can work in pin-drop quiet feels very … male, or at least alien to a lot of women’s experience.She then talks about how women are expected to do their jobs at their jobs n stuff. I detect a strong whiff of resentment about that, but whatever, read it for yourself.
Sidebar: this tangent is irrelevant. Did you catch that? The author quoted Schopenhauer for the proposition that silence is a pleasure and then she linked a different Schopenhauer piece saying Mean Things About Girls!!! (footystomp) and then declared Quietude = #WarOnWomen. I thought I would explain that to you because it is so strained and twisted some of you probably couldn't follow that without hurting your brains with illogic.
Prochnik opens his piece by quoting the German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer, who believed “a great mind can have great thoughts only if all its powers of concentration are brought to bear on one subject, in the same way that a concave mirror focuses light on one point.” Noise disperses focus, disrupting the formation of ideas. Fine. Yet any “great mind” in Schopenhauer’s philosophizing by necessity belongs to a man. In his 1851 polemic On Women, the thinker isolates rationality as the quality peculiar to men; women “are childish, silly and short-sighted, in a word big children.” (Sidebar: “Big children” is two words.)
Prochnik’s second historical example, after Schopenhauer, involves Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter narrating how “the men whose labors brought forth the Constitution of the United States had the street outside Independence Hall covered with earth so that their deliberations might not be disturbed by passing traffic.” A true and resonant detail! But it’s also one dude quoting another dude describing a bunch of dudes seeking to carve out a tranquil dude-space in which dudes’ rights could be secured across the country. Sausagefest aside, you get the sense a group of founding mothers would maybe just shut the windows.Yup. Close the windows firmly shut against the noise. Seal it up tight. Jam wadding in the sills. In the summer. In Philadelphia. Capital idea, Genius. Whoshe a shmart girl? Youshe a shmart girl! Yesh you are! Yesh you are! See the "How Terribly Embarrassing" Update at Post's End.
“The quiet in Independence Hall was not the silence of a monastic retreat,” Prochnik writes. “It was a silence that made them [the “men whose labors … ” etc] more receptive to the sound of the world around them.” Not quite. The world around them was muffled by all that dirt. Playing out the metaphor, while the constitutional convention accomplished wonderful things, must we pretend it did a great job amplifying all marginalized voices? Some serious silencing was still going on.Let me point out once again that Sex & the City had done terrible things to women, from promoting "Have Sex Like a Man!" promiscuity in very young girls, to telling women that the pinnacle of discourse is Carrie Bradshaw's twee chicklit burblings.
You know, I don't want to be the guy who says "Hitler did it," but Hitler was known to be quite the shushyface in his day.
I guess that’s my problem with Prochnik’s otherwise excellent article. History is littered with instances of white men thoughtlessly asking (or forcing) people who are not white men to shut up.
It just feels jarring to read a male author use the words of other male authors to extol the virtues of silence. Either Prochnik shouldn’t place such a high premium on quiet, or, if he must have a hushed, pristine bubble in which to think great thoughts, he should retreat to a highbrow man cave and let the rest of us live in and contribute to the sound of the world around us.
As I said before: Connoisseurship. If what she were saying were true, it would probably be obvious, and a connoisseur does not get compliments for recognizing things which are obvious. Yes, the wine is dry, but anyone could have said that; the connoisseur, if he seeks to impress, will have say something unexpected and preferably nonsensical, like "The wine is dry, and yet, at the same time, rather wet in its dryness; a rather moist sort of dry." So there you go. According to Slate, Serious You Guys anyone speaking of the benefits of quiet Hates Women, #WarOnWomen You Guys, and furthermore, Serious You Guys, women need to put a sock in it or something.
Embarrassing. I can't say this is a new low because, frankly, the other one was really far stupider. At least this silly blogpost referenced an article that may be interesting to some, brought up an interesting anecdote about the drafting of the Constitution (here's another interesting fact: It's hot in the summer), and mentioned Schopenhauer. And yet, still very, very embarrassing. I never doubt the equality of the sexes until I read Feminists.
How Terribly Embarrassing: The windows in fact were closed -- nailed shut, in fact -- as a privacy issue. So she was wrong to suggest that as something they could have done (they did it), and I was wrong to say that the couldn't have done it, for the heat. At least this seems to be the lore. I sort of doubt all the windows were shut. Maybe the first-level windows were nailed shut. I'm having a hard time believing that you seal all the windows in the summer in Philadelphia. You just can't have a hundred guys in the room, in the summer, working by candlelight (and candles do pump out heat), with no ventilation. Nevermind the wigs and the ten layers of jackets and frilly shirts. Unless they were porting in ice or something. Which isn't inconceivable, I guess. Thanks to MSYB.
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(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Adriane... at August 27, 2013 06:13 PM (j/FJV)
Posted by: imp at August 27, 2013 06:13 PM (L9AnB)
Posted by: imp at August 27, 2013 06:15 PM (L9AnB)
Posted by: Sister Mary Elephant at August 27, 2013 06:15 PM (AsY5D)
Posted by: fb at August 27, 2013 06:15 PM (JVEmw)
Posted by: Jmel at August 27, 2013 06:15 PM (cfFqn)
Posted by: rd at August 27, 2013 06:16 PM (D+lxs)
Posted by: LizLem, sadly too young to start telling twentysomething hipsters to get off her lawn at August 27, 2013 06:16 PM (8wqqE)
Quiet in life? Really? Screw that. It'll be quiet enough in the coffin.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 27, 2013 06:17 PM (E7Zh9)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 27, 2013 06:17 PM (tiHWQ)
And you're supposed to know that. Because sexism.
Posted by: Chelsea Merchant at August 27, 2013 06:17 PM (AsY5D)
Posted by: Furious George at August 27, 2013 06:17 PM (yFb77)
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This is funny b/c just last night I heard a lecture from a political history scholar referring to how critical it was that the Founders' work be done in absolute secret. So I gotta wonder if the dirt was to keep sounds OUT or keep them IN.
Posted by: Y-not at August 27, 2013 06:18 PM (5H6zj)
That *whine* was almost an exact example of the pattern of someone who wants to argue something *to argue it* for *reasons*, and has to go looking for details to fill out an argument that they didn't have when they started, and so the entire article looks like a blind man's Christmas Tree with random objects tied to the branches.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 27, 2013 06:18 PM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 27, 2013 06:18 PM (bYRF2)
Posted by: Samantha at August 27, 2013 06:18 PM (Aif/5)
I find this sort of idiocyremarkable in its utter lack of thought.
After the mixed thoughts from the woman who thinks insertion into blackness makes me racist, I didn't expect the dumb to be out-done, but...
Wait a second.
I figured it out. In just a few paragraphs she makes it damningly clear why she is so opposed to silence as an avenue for self-reflection and thought: she lacks both.
Posted by: CAC at August 27, 2013 06:18 PM (gEoEs)
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 27, 2013 06:19 PM (8sCoq)
I'm hurt.
*sniff*
Posted by: Chelsea d'afrique, late to the meme as usual at August 27, 2013 06:19 PM (r+7wo)
Posted by: SilentMoron at August 27, 2013 06:19 PM (jrZZ0)
Posted by: Name (Chelsea) Withheld Upon Request at August 27, 2013 06:19 PM (U2UQk)
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 27, 2013 06:19 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 27, 2013 06:20 PM (qyfb5)
Posted by: navybrat at August 27, 2013 06:20 PM (6AzaA)
Posted by: Chelsea d'afrique, late to the meme as usual at August 27, 2013 06:20 PM (r+7wo)
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 27, 2013 06:20 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Chelsea d'afrique, late to the meme as usual at August 27, 2013 06:20 PM (r+7wo)
Pretty much my take anytime a group of women meet up in a restaurant and the resulting high-pitching carrying-on cracks my tooth enamel.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at August 27, 2013 06:20 PM (PMGbu)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 27, 2013 06:21 PM (lnFK0)
Posted by: 9 out of 10 Nuns say at August 27, 2013 06:21 PM (AsY5D)
Posted by: M. Murcek at August 27, 2013 06:21 PM (GJUgF)
Posted by: steevy at August 27, 2013 06:21 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 27, 2013 06:21 PM (kdS6q)
Well I bet chelsea manning is gonna be screaming his head off in D block every night
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 06:21 PM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: mugiwara at August 27, 2013 06:22 PM (hpYnL)
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So, this is obviously bullshit along with the rest. But playing along and assuming this is just a male thing, then why is it a great sin that men should value quiet?
Posted by: Dave S. at August 27, 2013 06:22 PM (/BwGa)
Posted by: The Librarians at August 27, 2013 06:22 PM (AsY5D)
Yeah, and ?
Posted by: The Jackhole at August 27, 2013 06:22 PM (nTgAI)
Posted by: Buzzion at August 27, 2013 06:23 PM (DJ1Ho)
Posted by: Iowa Chelsea at August 27, 2013 06:23 PM (RJ+Yj)
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Well then I shant click it.
Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 06:23 PM (el7k2)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 27, 2013 06:25 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 06:25 PM (el7k2)
Posted by: Your Mom at August 27, 2013 06:25 PM (JVEmw)
Posted by: zsasz at August 27, 2013 06:26 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: mugiwara at August 27, 2013 06:26 PM (hpYnL)
The DM does it all the time. Remember the article by the pregnant lady who didn't want the baby to be a boy and it started a shit storm? She already knew the sex of the baby and both she and her husband were thrilled they were having a boy. The editors give them an assignment and tells them to be provocative.
Posted by: Victor/Victoria at August 27, 2013 06:26 PM (FnJUz)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 27, 2013 06:26 PM (v1mq9)
It just feels jarring to read a male author use the words of other male authors to extol the virtues of silence. Either Prochnik shouldn’t place such a high premium on quiet, or, if he must have a hushed, pristine bubble in which to think great thoughts, he should retreat to a highbrow man cave and let the rest of us live in and contribute to the sound of the world around us.
What in THE hell.
I have to XX chromosomes and like to listen to music as I work, but even I, possessor of double-X chromosomes, must turn down the music and have total silence when attacking a difficult problem at work.
I might add that my job does not involve being an idiotic provocateur who finds nonsensical nonexistent outrages everywhere.
Jeez.
I can't imagine what it's like to date or be married to such a shrew.
Posted by: Chelsea d'afrique, late to the meme as usual at August 27, 2013 06:26 PM (r+7wo)
Posted by: Your Mom at August 27, 2013 06:26 PM (JVEmw)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 27, 2013 06:26 PM (lnFK0)
Posted by: Mr. Schopenhauer at August 27, 2013 06:26 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: Chelsea d'afrique, late to the meme as usual at August 27, 2013 06:26 PM (r+7wo)
Or just be friends with one, for that matter.
(Yes, I quoted myself. Shut up.)
Posted by: Chelsea d'afrique, late to the meme as usual at August 27, 2013 06:27 PM (r+7wo)
Posted by: Victor/Victoria at August 27, 2013 06:26 PM (FnJUz)
Because, you know, clearly there isn't enough shit flying in the world as-is.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 27, 2013 06:27 PM (qyfb5)
Posted by: The Patriarchy at August 27, 2013 06:27 PM (JVEmw)
Unless I'm watching a movie with the kilowatt sound system cranked up to 80% (you can hear the bass out on the highway) or iTunes is playing music.
Posted by: Consequences be damned at August 27, 2013 06:27 PM (PwJdB)
So she has met my wife.
Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at August 27, 2013 06:27 PM (uxi9i)
She has feminism. It's her hammer.
....
Wha? No, I did not say I wanted to nail her. No I did not mean to imply she's a carpenter s dream.....
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 27, 2013 06:28 PM (Tc7K3)
Posted by: Fritz at August 27, 2013 06:28 PM (UzPAd)
Posted by: M. Murcek at August 27, 2013 06:28 PM (GJUgF)
slurps and crunching of people nearby eating can drive me mad and angry,
but its usually other males that make me want to throw a chair. Not woman (who are usually more mindful of their eating noises).
Posted by: Serious Cat at August 27, 2013 06:29 PM (UypUQ)
Posted by: Other Patriarch at August 27, 2013 06:29 PM (lnFK0)
I know when I was a kid, and me and my brother would act like idiots and run our mouths incessantly, my Mom would mandate 10 mins of quiet before she lost her mind.
So there's 2 anecdotes for you. Pretty sure that they aren't exactly unique.
Posted by: Dave S. at August 27, 2013 06:29 PM (h1gQR)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at August 27, 2013 06:29 PM (28TG+)
We are establishing a new Award...
The Miley Cyrus Award for attention-whoring excellence.
Slate is in the running for the first winner.
Posted by: Attention Whores Union at August 27, 2013 06:29 PM (el7k2)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 27, 2013 06:30 PM (v1mq9)
Posted by: fixerupper at August 27, 2013 06:30 PM (IrLKP)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 27, 2013 06:30 PM (UrtRh)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 27, 2013 06:31 PM (v1mq9)
Posted by: steevy at August 27, 2013 06:31 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: chuckinseattle at August 27, 2013 06:33 PM (oDKZU)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 27, 2013 06:33 PM (HJ0MR)
So yes, "Big Children" was, in fact, one word. It merely wasn't translated into one word.
So much for our cosmopolitan "betters" and their worldliness.
Posted by: Luke at August 27, 2013 06:33 PM (sl1S5)
Posted by: Victor/Victoria at August 27, 2013 06:26 PM (FnJUz)
Because, you know, clearly there isn't enough shit flying in the world as-is.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 27, 2013 06:27 PM (qyfb5)
Newspaper equivalent of Lady Gaga/Miley Cyrus?
Posted by: ChelseaMonster at August 27, 2013 06:33 PM (oY6Yp)
Posted by: M. Murcek at August 27, 2013 06:33 PM (GJUgF)
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 27, 2013 06:33 PM (6WVi+)
***********
Clearly he is talking about spanking it Cyrus.
Posted by: tasker at August 27, 2013 06:34 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Cate at August 27, 2013 06:34 PM (bYl+i)
Silence is also a method by which we can listen to the still, small voice of God. ANd that is why many convents have the Rule of Silence.
Posted by: Miss Marple at August 27, 2013 06:35 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: packsoldier at August 27, 2013 06:35 PM (MM98+)
Posted by: DomesticGoddess at August 27, 2013 06:35 PM (WnU/w)
Posted by: wierdflunkyonatablet at August 27, 2013 06:36 PM (tlhtD)
I don't know what's real anymore.
Posted by: SarahW at August 27, 2013 06:36 PM (LYwCh)
and Noisy and Never Shut Up and Can Never Get to the Point of a Story!"
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My s-i-l rambles, to the point that my brother will say, 'shorter story' if he's interested enough to want to hear the point of her story. They've been married so long she just pauses, laughs, and continues on her ramble. She got him good once though. He said, 'shorter story,' she looked at him, thought for a second, and said, 'the dog died.' He looked shocked, she laughed.
Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 06:38 PM (Oz+LZ)
Posted by: Axl Rose at August 27, 2013 06:38 PM (SzAZ7)
I know! I couldn't even read past that part. who makes a stock photo like that?!?!
it's like a stock I bought recently - of a businesswoman - her teeth were all weirdly pointy. Damn you JupiterImages!
And that was my first thought too, Luke - duh in German it's one word
moron. trolling amateur webzine
I don't care anyway I'm busy having a school-is-starting nervous breakdown
Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 27, 2013 06:38 PM (2up3Q)
Posted by: M. Murcek at August 27, 2013 06:38 PM (GJUgF)
Posted by: SarahW at August 27, 2013 06:38 PM (LYwCh)
**************
Jeebus did Ace miss the White Angle--because she hits that one too.
Posted by: tasker at August 27, 2013 06:39 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Darth Randall at August 27, 2013 06:39 PM (Zswg6)
you know, I just tuned her out, as usual.
Men have an inboard Shush Mechanism in their brain called "Ignoring You."
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 06:40 PM (/IWYB)
Well, there’s your problem right there. You have work, and worse, your work involves difficult problems that must be solved.
You should find an easier job, such as writing for Slate.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 27, 2013 06:40 PM (QF8uk)
Posted by: zsasz at August 27, 2013 06:41 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 27, 2013 06:41 PM (v1mq9)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at August 27, 2013 06:42 PM (jucos)
There are no loud feminists in my life. I did one thing right, anyway.
Posted by: rrpjr at August 27, 2013 06:42 PM (gNlKa)
the still, small voice of God. ANd that is why many convents have the
Rule of Silence.
Posted by: Miss Marple at August 27, 2013 06:35 PM (GoIUi)
Excellent! I long thought God whispers, and too often we aren't quiet enough to hear it.
Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 06:42 PM (Oz+LZ)
Posted by: steevy at August 27, 2013 06:42 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: M. Murcek at August 27, 2013 06:42 PM (GJUgF)
Posted by: Dr Randy Jewels at August 27, 2013 06:43 PM (v1mq9)
And since Critical Theory is pretty much the extent of the humanities these days, this doesn't get treated as parody.
It is sincere, in its way.
Sure, there's a bit of showmanship here. There's the alarm that goes off and the Amateur Webzine Blogger jumps up and dances a little dance. It's trite, it's boring, they're untalented, but that's what you do in a sideshow.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2013 06:43 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: weew at August 27, 2013 06:44 PM (2yhel)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 27, 2013 06:44 PM (UrtRh)
Posted by: packsoldier at August 27, 2013 06:44 PM (MM98+)
My grandfather was an expert practitioner of selective hearing, - deaf as a doornail for all matters except playing cards. And he was never late for dinner.
Posted by: Fritz at August 27, 2013 06:44 PM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Dave S. at August 27, 2013 06:29 PM (h1gQR)
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Heh.
Scenes like that flashed across my mind while reading this nonsense.
I will bet all I own that this femineurotic has no kids.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 27, 2013 06:45 PM (C8mVl)
Posted by: M. Murcek at August 27, 2013 06:45 PM (GJUgF)
Here's the thing, Chelsea d'afrique...what if you never have difficult problems at work, like, oh, say, a Slate blogger.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2013 06:45 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: steevy at August 27, 2013 06:45 PM (9XBK2)
Men have an inboard Shush Mechanism in their brain called "Ignoring You."
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 06:40 PM (/IWYB)
*******
That gets undone by--boobs.
Sort of.
Posted by: tasker at August 27, 2013 06:46 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: zsasz at August 27, 2013 06:46 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 27, 2013 06:47 PM (v1mq9)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 27, 2013 06:48 PM (qyfb5)
Now, they are staunch defenders of the hijab and burkha, the sexual exploitation of women is not only AOK but is encouraged. Remember when feminists were against porn?
Yeah.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2013 06:50 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: caustic at August 27, 2013 06:50 PM (/b8+5)
Posted by: Pissed-off wife in Wedding Crashers at August 27, 2013 06:50 PM (GXKTh)
Posted by: caustic at August 27, 2013 06:51 PM (/b8+5)
If only to eliminate the constant harping on white men, we should team up with the Hispanic men (including the illegal immigrants) and shut this kind of idiocy down once and for all. Really?? You have a problem with teh most omni-competent cohort on history telling morons and pud-pullers to shut up and get out of the way?
By God, this society will simply collapse of its own weight in a decade if they keep alienating the men who make this nation work.
Why not just cut to the chase and start every Slate essay with "I HATE YOU, DAD!!!" or "I'M SMART TOO, DAD!!!"
Posted by: imp at August 27, 2013 06:51 PM (L9AnB)
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 27, 2013 06:51 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Ron Burgundy at August 27, 2013 06:51 PM (/IWYB)
Actually, they not only shut the windows, but nailed them shut. In the summer. In Philadelphia. During the Federal Convention. It's called history and obviously no one at Slate cares about depicting it factually.
Posted by: MSYB at August 27, 2013 06:52 PM (GMxQL)
Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2013 06:50 PM (T0NGe)
I think they had been embalming themselves for years, but that was a pretty big blow to the ability to claim it was about anything but political power and ideology.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 27, 2013 06:53 PM (qyfb5)
Daddy issues really permeate today's culture.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2013 06:53 PM (T0NGe)
Anyone know if you can make moonshine out of grapes?
Posted by: Lincolntf
I believe you can make it with any kind of fruit.
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 27, 2013 06:54 PM (v1mq9)
Posted by: M. Murcek at August 27, 2013 06:54 PM (GJUgF)
Posted by: imp at August 27, 2013 06:54 PM (L9AnB)
Posted by: M. Murcek at August 27, 2013 06:55 PM (GJUgF)
Conservatives just want to live their lives, not be told what to do, think or say, earn a living, enjoy their families and be proud to be an American.
I don't understand all the time spent on made up grievances.
Posted by: mare at August 27, 2013 06:55 PM (A98Xu)
Posted by: zsasz at August 27, 2013 06:46 PM (MMC8r)
Which of course reminds me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4EDhdAHrOg
Posted by: rickl at August 27, 2013 06:56 PM (sdi6R)
them shut. In the summer. In Philadelphia. During the Federal
Convention. It's called history and obviously no one at Slate cares
about depicting it factually.
Posted by: MSYB at August 27, 2013 06:52 PM (GMxQL)
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I thought I remembered reading that somewhere. Maybe it was in Miracle At Philadelphia.
Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 06:56 PM (Oz+LZ)
Darling, asking you to STFU isn't thoughtless.
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at August 27, 2013 06:56 PM (SzAZ7)
"I never doubt the equality of the sexes until I read feminists."
That may be the most quotable sentence I've read in years.
*Wipes tear from eye. Stands and begins clapping slowly and passionately*
Posted by: Warden at August 27, 2013 06:56 PM (HzhBE)
Now, they are staunch defenders of the hijab and burkha, the sexual exploitation of women is not only AOK but is encouraged. Remember when feminists were against porn?
Yeah.
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Yeah, Amish Dude...I remember when feminists used to rail against MTV videos for they way they sexualized women.
They are fucking hypocrites now.
But I think they're okay with the idea of burkas because they would like to see attractive women have to wear them.
Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 06:56 PM (el7k2)
Posted by: Other Patriarch at August 27, 2013 06:57 PM (lnFK0)
Posted by: Nanny Hag at August 27, 2013 06:57 PM (39IHH)
I didn't read the article but, sheesh.
Posted by: mare at August 27, 2013 06:58 PM (A98Xu)
them shut. In the summer. In Philadelphia. During the Federal
Convention. It's called history and obviously no one at Slate cares
about depicting it factually.
Posted by: MSYB at August 27, 2013 06:52 PM
That was like over a hundred years ago. Nobody remembers that stuff.
Posted by: Ezra Klein at August 27, 2013 06:58 PM (bAGA/)
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 27, 2013 06:59 PM (ZshNr)
Yeah, taking it up the squeaker for Clinton pretty much killed me.
But....
You know...
Wymyn.
We gotta bitch about something.
Posted by: Feminism at August 27, 2013 06:59 PM (ZR4Xh)
Posted by: Vn Redleg at August 27, 2013 06:59 PM (w48t9)
Posted by: M. Murcek at August 27, 2013 06:59 PM (GJUgF)
Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2013 06:45 PM (T0NGe)
Heh. Trying to figure out how to express biology/physiology mathematically, figuring out why your code is misbehaving (it can't be my fault!) or just getting your darn model to run properly is occasionally hard.
Although I would find maintaining perpetual OUTRAGE! exceedingly difficult.
Posted by: Chelsea d'afrique, late to the meme as usual at August 27, 2013 07:00 PM (r+7wo)
From what I can pull from the web, cremated, ashes are somewhere in Greece.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at August 27, 2013 07:01 PM (PMGbu)
Posted by: Woman at August 27, 2013 07:01 PM (Dwehj)
___________________________________________
Perhaps it might have occurred to the author that there may be a connection between doing just this and male dominance of politics, science, art, the academy and so on and so forth?
Just food for thought.
Posted by: Alec Leamas at August 27, 2013 07:01 PM (pLu3Q)
Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 07:02 PM (HzhBE)
And, yes.... Hillary is the leaf blower of political speakers.
Posted by: Anchovy at August 27, 2013 07:02 PM (qbnUn)
Maybe we could call it, I don't know, brandy?
They don't think there are things that they don't know. (Well, maybe a handful of things not worth knowing.)
Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2013 07:02 PM (T0NGe)
Dozens of Russian nationals return home aboard special plane sent by Moscow. In phone conversation, FM Lavrov rejects Kerry's claim of chemical weapons use by Assad regime
Bugging out
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 07:02 PM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 27, 2013 07:02 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: TimothyJ at August 27, 2013 07:03 PM (0LB6+)
Generally speaking conservative women are able to say, "You're better than me at this. I'm good with that."
Well, the ones I know.
Posted by: mare at August 27, 2013 07:03 PM (A98Xu)
Andrew Wilkow is playing the clip
Posted by: caustic at August 27, 2013 07:03 PM (/b8+5)
Either Prochnik shouldn’t place such a high premium on quiet
Stop being who you are, and be who I want you to be!!! God DAD, you're SOOOOO embarrassing!!!
Posted by: imp at August 27, 2013 07:04 PM (L9AnB)
Posted by: M. Murcek at August 27, 2013 07:05 PM (GJUgF)
And what's with men and their BALLS? It they're not playing with their own, they're watching other men play with theirs out on a football or baseball field or whatever. Is it a coincidence that all these games involve balls, sweating and violence? I don't think so.
Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 07:05 PM (HzhBE)
Well, the ones I know.
Posted by: mare at August 27, 2013 07:03 PM (A98Xu)
My wife always says that: "Your better at that than me, now take out the freaken garbage"!
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 07:05 PM (9Xc5j)
Muscadine wine is some of the best homemade wine I've ever tasted.
You could probably find a recipe on the internets somewhere.
DIY Wine-making...or something.
Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 07:05 PM (el7k2)
Posted by: Nanny Hag at August 27, 2013 06:57 PM (39IHH)
Heh. My mom didn't bother to tell me that until I was in my 40s.
Posted by: baldilocks at August 27, 2013 07:06 PM (Tnlh/)
From what I can pull from the web, cremated, ashes are somewhere in Greece.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at August 27, 2013 07:01 PM (PMGbu)
~
In a carboy.
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at August 27, 2013 07:06 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: Oschisms at August 27, 2013 07:06 PM (pfVS8)
Leftism is covering for a deep psychological insecurity.
It also provides easy answers for our feelings of inadequacy: sexism, racism.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2013 07:06 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 27, 2013 07:06 PM (v1mq9)
Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 07:07 PM (HzhBE)
Posted by: Good Ol' J.R. Hannity at August 27, 2013 07:07 PM (jXG+o)
I wasn't around when it was posted, but read it later.
Nicely said.
Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 07:08 PM (el7k2)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 07:05 PM (9Xc5j)
HA!
I was going to add, that statement helps get a lot of crap done around the house.
Posted by: mare at August 27, 2013 07:08 PM (A98Xu)
Posted by: M. Murcek at August 27, 2013 07:08 PM (GJUgF)
Posted by: UWP at August 27, 2013 07:08 PM (r98SZ)
I bet the only time a man WOULD ask for directions is if he was pregnant and couldn't find the nearest abortion clinic.
Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 07:08 PM (HzhBE)
If the MEN were the ones who had to push babies out of THEIR bodies, I
can guarantee you abortion would be legal all the way through the 3rd
trimester.
Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer
All men would have c-sections.
#we'renotidiots
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 27, 2013 07:08 PM (v1mq9)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 27, 2013 07:06 PM (v1mq9)
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You're welcome.
Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 07:09 PM (Oz+LZ)
Posted by: jakeman at August 27, 2013 07:09 PM (GXKTh)
I JUST CANT BELIEVE I WAS BORN A MAN!!!!
OH THE PAIN, THE PAIN! IT HURTS! BEING A MAN I SO TERRIBLE THAT I HATE IT, HATE IT, HATE IT!!!!!
CANT I JUST NOT BE A MAN, AND BE A, LIKE, THING OR SOMETHING!!! ITS SO UNFAIR TO WOMEN, OR WHATEVER THOSE THINGS ARE!!!!!
MY GOD THIS IS SO TERRIBLE!
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Commissar at August 27, 2013 07:09 PM (HQml1)
Uh, that was supposed to be "I luv me some Aimee Mann," but I fubared it.
Posted by: jakeman at August 27, 2013 07:10 PM (GXKTh)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at August 27, 2013 07:11 PM (SzAZ7)
If the MEN were the ones who had to push babies out of THEIR bodies, I
can guarantee you abortion would be legal all the way through the 3rd
trimester.
I've had kidney stones. Fie on your 'pregnancy.'
Posted by: zsasz at August 27, 2013 07:11 PM (MMC8r)
IF IT IS POSSIBLE THAT NOT ANOTHER MAN THING IS EVER BORN WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT THIS HAPPENS!
LIKE, THROUGH GENETICS AND STUFF! WE NEED TO STOP THESE THINGS! THEY ARE BEATING UP WOMEN AND BLACKS ALL OVER THE PLACE AND MUST BE STOPPED MUST MUST MUST!!!!
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Commissar at August 27, 2013 07:11 PM (HQml1)
I wasn't around when it was posted, but read it later.
Nicely said.
Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 07:08 PM (el7k2)
Thank you. I just read it again before I sent it to my dad. Had the urge to edit it and add more stuff (writer's affliction) but I decided to shut up instead.
Posted by: baldilocks at August 27, 2013 07:11 PM (Tnlh/)
Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 07:12 PM (HzhBE)
Posted by: Fish on a bicycle at August 27, 2013 07:12 PM (GXKTh)
Posted by: Nanny Hag at August 27, 2013 07:12 PM (39IHH)
----
Along with laundry, sweeping, dishes, and cooking, taking out the garbage was another thing I intentionally screwed up at to get the wife to do it. Our trash needed to be tagged with a $2 tag, so I'd put out 2 half bags of trash to the curb. This waste of $2, and my seeming inability to comprehend what constitutes a full bag relieved me of that duty.
Posted by: UWP at August 27, 2013 07:12 PM (r98SZ)
Dumb snarky bitch.
Posted by: Whiskey Lima at August 27, 2013 07:12 PM (X+28+)
Posted by: Muad'Chelsea at August 27, 2013 07:13 PM (PlTXA)
orrrr... your are ugly... and bitchy....
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 27, 2013 07:14 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 07:14 PM (9Xc5j)
And what's with men and their limited imaginations? It's like they can only see the world through their little patriarchal lenses. I doubt for ONE SECOND that any of them ever stop to consider that the world could be very different from what we have today if people would just change their attitudes.
BUT NO! I GUESS EVERYONE HAS TO LOOK LIKE A FUCKING BARBIE DOLL TO GET ANYONE'S ATTENTION, HUH???!!!
Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 07:16 PM (HzhBE)
Female mouths are only good for two things:
1. Sucking.
2. Barfing up all that food so you don't look so fat, bitch!
Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 07:16 PM (+cx5n)
Posted by: Chlesea Manning-Montana at August 27, 2013 07:16 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Chelsea Manning-Montana at August 27, 2013 07:18 PM (Dwehj)
Re: bringing in ice.
Ice maker invented around mid 19th century, (1844 and 1851 according to Wikipedia--I had to look it up)
I guess they COULD have towed in an iceberg and freighted the ice to Philadelphia, but I doubt it.
Posted by: Sphynx at August 27, 2013 07:18 PM (OZmbA)
Posted by: garrett at August 27, 2013 07:18 PM (4Tdcj)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 07:18 PM (9Xc5j)
rationality as the quality peculiar to men; women “are childish, silly
and short-sighted, in a word big children.” (Sidebar: “Big children” is
two words.)
--In the original German, I would not be surprised if Schopenhauer actually *did* use one word. Grosskinder?
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 07:18 PM (bufJH)
But there really *is* a War on Men going on.
Especially against conservative men.
I think it's because Conservative Men are just Hotter.
Liberals know this.
And so they must make war on them.
Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 07:19 PM (el7k2)
Oh, the conflict.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 27, 2013 07:19 PM (qyfb5)
We're very grateful for our son.
Posted by: Chicagorefugee at August 27, 2013 07:19 PM (jPn5Y)
Posted by: Elmer Fudd at August 27, 2013 07:19 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Butthurt chick wearing a "This is what a feminist looks like" t-shirt at August 27, 2013 07:19 PM (GXKTh)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 07:20 PM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: Chelsea Manning-Montana at August 27, 2013 07:21 PM (Dwehj)
>>> Soriano hits some long long home runs for a skinny guy
He generates some incredible bat speed.
Posted by: garrett at August 27, 2013 07:21 PM (4Tdcj)
Men only like beer because it makes them fart and their farts make them feel powerful. It's like this little club they've excluded women from: "Hey listen to this ass-bomb I'm about to drop. This one's gonna be a real daisy cutter!"
Is there any doubt that all this farting is just pretend warfare? Like, "Hey if I can't go bomb some brown people, I can drop some bombs on the brown skid marks in my underwear."
Why is it okay for men to fart and not women? Women need to cease this privilege back from men and start farting everywhere--elevators, work meetings, at the gym--until the playing field is leveled.
Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 07:21 PM (HzhBE)
due I'm pretty sure they had ice before ice-makers.
and yeah I think they towed icebergs and then chopped them up.
yup -- "ice harvesting"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refrigeration
see I know they have ice because they had ice cream during the French Revolution.
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 07:22 PM (/IWYB)
Posted by: garrett at August 27, 2013 07:21 PM (4Tdcj)
Yup. I always liked him. I was sorry to see him go. Since that trade a-roid has only hit a few more home runs than him also.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 07:22 PM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 07:23 PM (+cx5n)
Posted by: Chelsea Puma (+SmuD) at August 27, 2013 07:23 PM (NqxXc)
When I got pregnant, we were initially kinda hoping for a girl. When the
ultrasound showed that L'il Oopsie was undoubtedly all male - he picked
his nose and pulled his pud on camera, as it were - a friend shared
with me this astute observation: Boys yell, girls shriek.
We're very grateful for our son.
Posted by: Chicagorefugee at August 27, 2013 07:19 PM (jPn5Y)
--Same here. I would have loved a girl just as much, but a boy is so fun. Plus, if we do have a girl she'll have a big brother to watch her.
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 07:23 PM (bufJH)
Posted by: UWP at August 27, 2013 07:24 PM (r98SZ)
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 27, 2013 07:24 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 07:22 PM (/IWYB)
The fact that they were able to shut the windows back then in proof of global warming.
Posted by: Al Gore at August 27, 2013 07:24 PM (GaqMa)
http://www.monticello.org/site/house-and-gardens/ice-house
actually the wikipedia entry on ice-houses is pretty interesting.
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 07:24 PM (/IWYB)
The world is surely all fucked up when I agree with Kucinich? G-D I need a drink
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 07:24 PM (9Xc5j)
They used to cut up ice into blocks in the winter and stored it under sawdust and the like for summer.
Posted by: Waterhouse at August 27, 2013 07:24 PM (ZihsD)
Maybe it wasn't all that hot in Philadelphia in the summer of1776.
Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 07:25 PM (el7k2)
Posted by: rickl at August 27, 2013 07:25 PM (sdi6R)
Ice maker invented around mid 19th century, (1844 and 1851 according to Wikipedia--I had to look it up)
I guess they COULD have towed in an iceberg and freighted the ice to Philadelphia, but I doubt it.
Posted by: Sphynx at August 27, 2013 07:18 PM (OZmbA)
---
Those old, dead white men used to cut ice on the rivers when they froze in the winter and store it in specially built ice houses. There's one behind the Governor's Palace in Williamsburg. Now how they got it from Williamsburg to Philadelphia I don't know.
Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 07:25 PM (Oz+LZ)
But it was flavored with escargot.
And blood.
But mostly blood.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2013 07:25 PM (T0NGe)
Off Off lying sock.
In any case ace, different times. It's possible they just sweat, and it stunk, and they were used to it, because...olden times.
Posted by: tsrblke at August 27, 2013 07:25 PM (GaqMa)
I guess it's like a power thing. Like, "I'm all gonna walk next to you at the Take Back The Night rally and talk about how we need to pass legislation that addresses income inequality between the sexes, and then PUT MY DICK WHEREVER I WANT AND NOT ANSWER MY PHONE THE NEXT DAY!!!!"
Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 07:25 PM (HzhBE)
Posted by: Waterhouse at August 27, 2013 07:25 PM (ZihsD)
Posted by: wattyler1381 at August 27, 2013 07:26 PM (F2Vrz)
Posted by: rickl at August 27, 2013 07:25 PM (sdi6R)
Yeah and your point?
Posted by: Slaves at August 27, 2013 07:26 PM (9Xc5j)
War on women my ass. At least not from us older married guys. By year 5
or so, or by the first kid for sure, we all know women are always right
and we are always wrong- at least that is what we have to say and with
enough sincerity to get by
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 07:20 PM (9Xc5j)
--I'm still stubborn and argumentative with my wife, but it's mainly a show because when I eventually and almost always inevitably cave then it looks like I've made a real concession that I can bring up later.
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 07:26 PM (bufJH)
Posted by: garrett at August 27, 2013 07:26 PM (4Tdcj)
Posted by: Hanoverfist at August 27, 2013 07:26 PM (ecN6u)
Posted by: Chelsea Null at August 27, 2013 07:26 PM (xjpRj)
Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2013 07:27 PM (T0NGe)
Put some ice on it.
Posted by: Bill Clinton at August 27, 2013 07:27 PM (4Tdcj)
Just saying.
Posted by: Chelsea Puma (+SmuD) at August 27, 2013 07:27 PM (NqxXc)
He must be privately loving the hell out of Prez'nit Hannibal and his gang of circus clown misfits. They make him look downright sane, at times.
Posted by: The Third Horseman Of The Apocalypse at August 27, 2013 07:28 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: zsasz at August 27, 2013 07:28 PM (MMC8r)
Ice maker invented around mid 19th century, (1844 and 1851 according to Wikipedia--I had to look it up)
I guess they COULD have towed in an iceberg and freighted the ice to Philadelphia, but I doubt it.
Posted by: Sphynx
You've never heard of an icehouse before?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 27, 2013 07:28 PM (HJ0MR)
Posted by: Yep at August 27, 2013 07:28 PM (6sqK6)
see I know they have ice because they had ice cream during the French Revolution.
Touche, Robespierre. And touchy too.
OK,
but I think you're applying 21st century sensibility to 18th century
people. Folks now break a sweat and they have to run indoors to get
some A/C.
Not so much pre-air conditioning. Hell, 90 degrees inside with the windows closed was not rare. So, ice, I doubt. But I'm willing to accept your hypothesis. Would like to see some historical references.
Posted by: Sphynx at August 27, 2013 07:28 PM (OZmbA)
How can you look at an industrial smokestack polluting the pristine sky with its filth and fail to understand that it's a DELIBERATE metaphor for the subjugation of women through penetration.
It's no coincidence that all the turn of the century industrialists were male.
Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 07:29 PM (HzhBE)
I am just so damn tired of these people who are so obsessed with their little hobby horses of perceived oppression that they must absolutely find something with which to take offense in Every. Single. Thing. Ever.
It is old, and stupid, and lazy, and hella tiring.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at August 27, 2013 07:29 PM (qFpRI)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refrigeration
see I know they have ice because they had ice cream during the French Revolution.
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 07:22 PM (/IWYB)
--I recall an old article in National Geographic showing remote villages in India burying big chunks of ice to use later. I can't recall whether it was in the north where they could get it naturally from a glacier nearby.
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 07:29 PM (bufJH)
Posted by: stupid feminist bitch -- guess which type? at August 27, 2013 07:29 PM (uH46F)
Posted by: Jenny Hates Stinky Sockpuppets at August 27, 2013 07:30 PM (GmTxn)
Posted by: garrett at August 27, 2013 07:30 PM (4Tdcj)
I know of them because of gangster movies.
In a 30s movie, you sometimes see an ice-house.
I love ice houses, and I love COLD STORAGE. in any port you see big signs for that.
just great combinations of words.
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 07:30 PM (/IWYB)
Maybe it wasn't all that hot in Philadelphia in the summer of 1776.
Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 07:25 PM (el7k2)
SEE??? SEE???
Posted by: Al Gore at August 27, 2013 07:30 PM (sdi6R)
I can't recall whether it was in the north where they could get it naturally from a glacier nearby.
Not anymore they can't!
Posted by: Al Gore at August 27, 2013 07:30 PM (4Tdcj)
WOMEN ARE CONSTANTLY BEING KILLED AND DESTROYED EMOTIONALLY AND PHYSICALLY BY MEN ALL THE TIME!!!
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Commissar at August 27, 2013 07:31 PM (HQml1)
Posted by: Slaves at August 27, 2013 07:31 PM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 27, 2013 07:31 PM (HJ0MR)
Best comment eva.
Posted by: wattyler1381 at August 27, 2013 07:31 PM (F2Vrz)
in India burying big chunks of ice to use later. I can't recall whether
it was in the north where they could get it naturally from a glacier
nearby.
yeah. I thought icehouses were fed from sea-harvested ice but it was mostly ice collected locally during the winter and deposited in the ice house.
as I read about ice houses, it's mostly that, though sea harvesting becomes more important later on.
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 07:31 PM (/IWYB)
Icehouse lyrics
It's always cold inside the icehouse
Though the rivers never freeze
There's a girl outside the icehouse
I can see her clearly though the trees
And now she's dreaming of a new love
And she hopes he'll be there soon
But she's got so long to wait for him
Because he needs another year to get there
There's no love inside the icehouse
The devil lives inside the icehouse
At least that's what the old ones say
He came along time ago
He came here in the winter snow
Bow it's colder every day
But she's still dreaming through the summer
And she's hoping through the spring
She says she's got no time for winter nights
She doesn't notice as the days grow colder
She can't remember getting any older
There's no love inside the icehouse
And now she's dreaming of a new love
And she hopes he'll be there soon
She says she's got no time for winter nights
She doesn't notice as the days grow colder
She can't remember getting any older
There's no love inside the icehouse
There's no love inside the icehouse
The icehouse.
Posted by: tasker at August 27, 2013 07:31 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Sphynx at August 27, 2013 07:31 PM (OZmbA)
Posted by: Chelsea Puma (+SmuD) at August 27, 2013 07:32 PM (NqxXc)
Posted by: ace
I once read an entire book about the early history of ice in human households -- apparently it was the rise of (believe it or not) cocktail culture which drove the need for more and easier ice in the summer months, especially in New York.
In the early/mid 19th century, only the rich people of NY could afford shipped-in ice, and impressed guests with chilled alcoholic drinks on hot day. As more and more people aspired to climb the social ladder from lower class to middle-class to upper-middle class and so on, being able to show off with drinks "on the rocks" became an important social marker. Whereas in the 18th century and earlier no one really cared about or fantasized about having ice, by the mid 19th century here was a huge demand for a very limited resource (ice).
It was this demand that led to the development of the first refrigeration units (which were mechanical -- no electricity!) based on the already-known principle of gas expansion causing a decrease in temperature.
Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 07:32 PM (+cx5n)
The world is surely all fucked up when I agree with Kucinich?
He
must be privately loving the hell out of Prez'nit Hannibal and his gang
of circus clown misfits. They make him look downright sane, at times.
Posted by: The Third Horseman Of The Apocalypse at August 27, 2013 07:28 PM (Dwehj)
--Does he still have his ginger to keep him warm too? Or did she bolt when he left office?
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 07:32 PM (bufJH)
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 07:30 PM (/IWYB)
'Round these parts we have "spring houses." actually where you can.
Little shacks built directly on a spring area. That water comes out really cold, and keeps things nicely chilled.
The higher you hang (or in the water if needed) the colder it gets.
Posted by: tsrblke at August 27, 2013 07:32 PM (GaqMa)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at August 27, 2013 07:32 PM (TSf9W)
PMS! Right? Why isn't there any equivalent diagnosis for men? Which male doctor is responsible for that oversight? I guess all the guys sitting around coming up with medical conditions were too busy farting, belching and complimenting each other for having penises to think of one.
Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 07:32 PM (HzhBE)
Posted by: Muad'Chelsea at August 27, 2013 07:33 PM (PlTXA)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 27, 2013 07:34 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: overheard at Independence Hall at August 27, 2013 07:34 PM (ZihsD)
Not so much pre-air conditioning. Hell, 90
degrees inside with the windows closed was not rare. So, ice, I doubt.
But I'm willing to accept your hypothesis. Would like to see some
historical references.
Posted by: Sphynx at August 27, 2013 07:28 PM (OZmbA)
--People also have a higher tolerance for B.O. under those conditions. Like Jamie Foxx said in his hilarious Africa routine, there's a whole new level of funk there that Americans do not know until they get there.
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 07:35 PM (bufJH)
Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 07:35 PM (HzhBE)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 27, 2013 07:34 PM (kdS6q)
I worked accross the street from Miller Brewing in Milwaukee and they have a whole string of caves that they used to store Ice in from lake Micigan back in the day. If you are ever in the neighborhood, take a tour, It is worth your time.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 27, 2013 07:35 PM (XIxXP)
As for bird headed god, the god of Wisdom Toth was usually depicted with an Ibis head.
Posted by: Chelsea Puma (+SmuD) at August 27, 2013 07:36 PM (NqxXc)
The Little Ice Age was still going on in 1776.
It lasted until 1870.
Temps were lower in the early 1700's...and had begun to gradually warm.
But they were still cooler in 1776 than what we consider 'normal' today.
And...suck it, Al Gore.
Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 07:36 PM (el7k2)
Posted by: overheard at Independence Hall
No idea why but that is the funniest thing I've read on this blog.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 27, 2013 07:37 PM (HJ0MR)
"Sit down John!" http://youtu.be/DqAdlkJDt7k
Posted by: Chelsea Puma (+SmuD) at August 27, 2013 07:23 PM (NqxXc)
Fun rant. Was utterly blindsided by the break out into song and dance.
Posted by: ChelseaMonster at August 27, 2013 07:37 PM (oY6Yp)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 27, 2013 07:35 PM (XIxXP)
Oddly.
The cave system, no longer on the list of things you tour at the Budweiser plant in StL.
I'm fairly certain it's in it's original location, but to be honesty everything got all move-y around here in the early 1900s.
Posted by: tsrblke at August 27, 2013 07:37 PM (GaqMa)
And by the way, I WOULD go to the gym and get in better shape, but it's not like I can do that without being ogled every two seconds by some creep, so I guess I'll just have to live with being 40lbs overweight because of men and their penis-centric thinking and the women who are weak willed and don't mind getting ogled will have the gym all to themselves to stay nice and firm and fit.
Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 07:37 PM (HzhBE)
Posted by: Low Information Voter at August 27, 2013 07:38 PM (Dwehj)
I think the Three Stooges where they are ice delivery guys is my favorite.Posted by: garrett at August 27, 2013 07:26 PM (4Tdcj)
Specially the part where Curly transports a big block of ice up a long staircase. When he gets to the top it is a small ice cube.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 27, 2013 07:38 PM (JsN1O)
Nobody watched the show for Carrie.
Posted by: Samantha at August 27, 2013 06:18 PM (Aif/5)
Sez you. That filly is hawt.
Posted by: Mr Ed at August 27, 2013 07:38 PM (TIIx5)
--People also have a higher tolerance for B.O. under those conditions. Like Jamie Foxx said in his hilarious Africa routine, there's a whole new level of funk there that Americans do not know until they get there.
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 07:35 PM (bufJH)
Also, city streets were covered with horse manure back then. I guess people had a higher tolerance for stench, since they had little choice.
I've heard of European aristocrats of the period holding perfumed handkerchiefs to their noses. I don't know whether that was done in colonial America or not.
Posted by: rickl at August 27, 2013 07:38 PM (sdi6R)
And she hopes he'll be there soon
She says she's got no time for winter nights
She doesn't notice as the days grow colder
She can't remember getting any older
There's no love inside the icehouse
There's no love inside the icehouse
The icehouse.
Posted by: tasker at August 27, 2013 07:31 PM (r2PLg)
--I thought for sure we were in for some '80s:
http://youtu.be/YMQwRL0EzW0
Serious Aussie mullet action.
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 07:38 PM (bufJH)
Posted by: Low Information Voter at August 27, 2013 07:38 PM (Dwehj)
Depends on the water content.
Posted by: Know it all LIV at August 27, 2013 07:39 PM (XIxXP)
Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 07:39 PM (HzhBE)
Posted by: ChelseaMonster at August 27, 2013 07:37 PM (oY6Yp)
---
Worth watching the whole movie. And another funny bit is Mrs. Jefferson's "He Play The Violin."
'Don't worry John, the history books will clean it up."
Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 07:40 PM (Oz+LZ)
Oh, sh*t. I think she's onto us. The blaring cable HDTV and stereo we're using to hide all the silence we're enjoying isn't working. She's still hearing all of our silence anyway.
Posted by: Man Caver at August 27, 2013 07:40 PM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Provocative Feminist Slate Writer at August 27, 2013 07:41 PM (HzhBE)
of NY could afford shipped-in ice, and impressed guests with chilled
alcoholic drinks on hot day. As more and more people aspired to climb
the social ladder from lower class to middle-class to upper-middle class
and so on, being able to show off with drinks "on the rocks" became an
important social marker. Whereas in the 18th century and earlier no one
really cared about or fantasized about having ice, by the mid 19th
century here was a huge demand for a very limited resource (ice).
It was this demand that led to the development of the first
refrigeration units (which were mechanical -- no electricity!) based on
the already-known principle of gas expansion causing a decrease in
temperature.
Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 07:32 PM (+cx5n)
--Interesting stuff. I would also wager that the collective American acquisition of a taste for cold beer was parallel to those trends.
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 07:41 PM (bufJH)
It's not that they nailed shut the windows of Independence Hall -- they merely nailed shut the mouths of the wenches chattering away incessantly on the street outside! Much more efficient that way.
Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 07:42 PM (+cx5n)
Yeah....yeah...okay, but I've been working on this cancer thing...
No...no. Of course, I want to hear what that , uh, bitch, Susan did today...yeah...
But, I think I've found the answer-
No. Oh no way, honey. Of course, you're more importan-
Well, it'll only take a second. If you'd just give me a minute here to write down...
No, Just a second or two, I promise. You know, while it's still fresh in-
Uh huh....uh huh....she took your yoghurt...
....
...and now it's gone.
Posted by: The Guy Who Almost Cured Cancer at August 27, 2013 07:42 PM (ZR4Xh)
Posted by: Sphynx at August 27, 2013 07:42 PM (OZmbA)
--Interesting stuff. I would also wager that the collective American acquisition of a taste for cold beer was parallel to those trends.
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 07:41 PM (bufJH)
This blog is too edumucational to quit.
Posted by: ChelseaMonster at August 27, 2013 07:42 PM (oY6Yp)
Posted by: Ron Burgundy at August 27, 2013 07:42 PM (v1mq9)
Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 07:43 PM (Oz+LZ)
First it's an F-14, which were all gone a while ago.
Now it's that carrier-test UAV ('drone') whatever it's called.
It's almost as bad as the Mainstream Media showing us pictures of Romanian aircraft carriers.
Unless it's intentional.
Posted by: JEM at August 27, 2013 07:44 PM (o+SC1)
Okay...I just did a little checking.
The Little Ice Age was still going on in 1776.
It lasted until 1870.
Temps were lower in the early 1700's...and had begun to gradually warm.
But they were still cooler in 1776 than what we consider 'normal' today.
And...suck it, Al Gore.
Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 07:36 PM (el7k2)
--I think the beginning of the Little Ice Age was what nearly wiped out Jamestown, VA.
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 07:44 PM (bufJH)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 27, 2013 07:44 PM (XIxXP)
Posted by: Sandra Flook at August 27, 2013 07:44 PM (Dwehj)
If the next pic is Eugene Ely in a Curtiss, we'll know he's screwing with us.
Posted by: Waterhouse at August 27, 2013 07:46 PM (ZihsD)
Man, if I could just get a portable fridge into a time machine I'd be SO set...
Posted by: JEM at August 27, 2013 07:46 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Ronster at August 27, 2013 07:46 PM (ol1e8)
There is a string sticking out of your shorts.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 27, 2013 07:46 PM (XIxXP)
refrigeration units (which were mechanical -- no electricity!) based on
the already-known principle of gas expansion causing a decrease in
temperature.
if I can step in and One Up you, Zombie, I just read that ol' Ben Franklin did some of the early work in demonstrating the principle of cooling via the forced expansion of gas.
+1 to me, ball is in your court.
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 07:46 PM (/IWYB)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 27, 2013 07:44 PM (XIxXP)
Well played.
Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 07:46 PM (Oz+LZ)
Posted by: UWP at August 27, 2013 07:46 PM (r98SZ)
Posted by: JEM at August 27, 2013 07:46 PM (o+SC1)
Better throw in a portable Nuclear Power plant.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 27, 2013 07:46 PM (XIxXP)
Posted by: garrett at August 27, 2013 07:47 PM (4Tdcj)
19th Century had its share of great women. During the 19th Century, only women of cultivated family were granted any education or training in profession. Clara Wieck Schumann, for instance. But society denied women equal standing to vote -- US vote "granted" women in 1920, awfully late. And in high society, it wasn't just the women who played the lame brains, any aristocrat had that "right". The Great Gatsby leading lady was matched by her idiotic hypocritical husband.
The whole patriarchal ownership of wife/wives still held for the "greatest generation" -- women could work men's jobs until the men came home. Then, back to the kitchen, cleaning ladies, receptionist, hospital nurse, or school teacher. But things definitely changed during the 1960s. Joni Mitchell did a good job talking about that era.
Posted by: panzernashorn at August 27, 2013 07:47 PM (MhA4j)
But most of the time it's music. And heaving bodices. Bringing me a sammich.
Posted by: Zombie Beethoven at August 27, 2013 07:47 PM (eHIJJ)
that much I knew, and you can see the shift in technology between older people and younger people there. Older people continued to call "the freezer" the "ice box."
For that reason. What used to be on top of the refrigerator was a big ol' block of ice.
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 07:47 PM (/IWYB)
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 07:46 PM (/IWYB)
Bet that's made of wood, too.
Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 07:47 PM (Oz+LZ)
Posted by: JEM at August 27, 2013 07:48 PM (o+SC1)
Maybe it's a rip cord. Yank on it and see if a parachute opens.
Posted by: wattyler1381 at August 27, 2013 07:49 PM (F2Vrz)
Posted by: JEM at August 27, 2013 07:49 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: wattyler1381 at August 27, 2013 07:49 PM (F2Vrz)
Go ahead, I'll hold your coat.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 27, 2013 07:49 PM (XIxXP)
Well, the editors thought the TITLE was too long, and so "and Quiet" had to go, because they thought that was obvious.
See, Slate writers just don't know as much as they think they do.
Posted by: Reader Chelsea J. Burch writes more nonsense...... at August 27, 2013 07:50 PM (v6hyJ)
Also, city streets were covered with horse
manure back then. I guess people had a higher tolerance for stench,
since they had little choice.
I've heard of European aristocrats of the period holding perfumed
handkerchiefs to their noses. I don't know whether that was done in
colonial America or not.
Posted by: rickl at August 27, 2013 07:38 PM (sdi6R)
--In Africa it's more people using the streets as a latrine. I'll never forget one of the first things I saw when we were going from the airport into Dar Es Salaam, a dude in braod daylight with no cover whizzing on the side of a building. He didn't even look homeless; he was just a normal guy. We were not in Kansas, uh, Boston anymore.
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 07:50 PM (bufJH)
Posted by: andycanuck at August 27, 2013 07:51 PM (uH46F)
Kick him in the ice hole.
Posted by: andycanuck at August 27, 2013 07:51 PM (uH46F)
LOL, That was so dumb.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 27, 2013 07:51 PM (XIxXP)
Right. I get the point. Maybe I'll just poke it with a stick..........and run.
Posted by: wattyler1381 at August 27, 2013 07:52 PM (F2Vrz)
You think that's unusual?
Haven't been to San Francisco since 1980, have you?
Posted by: JEM at August 27, 2013 07:52 PM (o+SC1)
It was worse in the 1600's.
The whole Northern Hemisphere was suffering...there were even a couple of summers where it was too cold to grow much of anything.
But the Little Ice Age began back in the 1300's.
There were peaks and dips in the temperature levels, periods of gradual warming...then it would get cold again for a while.
It's been attributed to lack of Sun Spots + volcanic activity.
We've had a steady increase in solar activity since the late 1700's...which has resulted in gradual warming.
Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 07:52 PM (el7k2)
The legend is wrong:
It's not that they nailed shut the windows of Independence Hall --
they merely nailed shut the mouths of the wenches chattering away
incessantly on the street outside! Much more efficient that way.
Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 07:42 PM (+cx5n)
Dolly's a hottie, but damn can she talke thine aff off.
Posted by: James Madison at August 27, 2013 07:53 PM (bufJH)
I am not that old, but I'm old enough (and had old enough parents) they when I was growing up, they referred to that big food-cooling rectangle in the kitchen as "the ice box." Of course, it was in reality a "refrigerator," but both of them had grown up in poor areas with actual ice boxes in their homes, and had never stopped using the term, even when refrigerators became commonplace and actual ice boxes were phased out.
As a result, I grew up myself using the term "ice box," even though I had never seen an actual ice box. I didn't even learn the word "refrigerator" until I was practically a teenager. And to this day, in unguarded moments, I will still call it an "ice box" unconsciously, like "Put the milk back in the ice box so it doesn't spoil." Words one learns as a child are hard to uproot.
Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 07:53 PM (+cx5n)
Posted by: Yakov Smirnoff at August 27, 2013 07:53 PM (eHIJJ)
Broad command and control and artillery and missile launchers, which can fire conventional or chemical weapons, will likely be targeted, analysts said.
The Pentagon will probably avoid targeting stockpiles, which could send toxic gases into the air and cause civilian casualties.
“We don’t want to hit actual chemical weapons because of the dangers,”
yeah leave homicidal maniacs with WMDs. I mean what could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: Slaves at August 27, 2013 07:54 PM (9Xc5j)
Blasphemy!!11!!
Posted by: AlGore at August 27, 2013 07:54 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 07:54 PM (9Xc5j)
There's an evolutionary reason why men go deaf at a younger age than women.
In other news, a MWAG was seen running around the White House Grounds today.
Posted by: Meremortal at August 27, 2013 07:54 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 07:53 PM (+cx5n)
That's awesome. I like stuff like that.
My kids havn't lived in WI for 6 years but they still call the water fountain a Bubbler.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 27, 2013 07:54 PM (XIxXP)
They just never know when to shut up.
I think someone told her that joke and she took it seriously.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at August 27, 2013 07:54 PM (pyh5u)
--In Africa it's more people using the streets as a latrine.
historically streets were latrines and in fact sewers.
Until fairly recently, city streets had open sewers running through their middles, with shit and piss floating along as stinky as you please.
it was only between 1750 and 1850 that big cities began doing the serious construction to dig and bury underground sewers.
Another interesting thing about some city development and sewers: London expanded up-river, up-Thames, with wealthy new suburbs springing up on that side of the city, and the downriver sides getting poorer.
This was largely a function of sewage flow. Go up river, the water is cleaner, it stinks less. Go down river, teh water is filthier, and it stinks more
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 07:55 PM (/IWYB)
In the 20th century, women finally perfected the sandwich-making and house cleaning arts, thereby freeing up time to satisfy their men in other ways such as foot massage and mouth-love.
Posted by: Ron Burgundy at August 27, 2013 07:56 PM (v1mq9)
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 27, 2013 07:57 PM (ZshNr)
I'm going with no.
Posted by: alexthechick - Team SMOD at August 27, 2013 07:57 PM (Gk3SS)
"We are going to strike but we will only fire bottle rockets and wave sparklers to send a message."
The message is; we're idiots.
Posted by: Meremortal at August 27, 2013 07:58 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: andycanuck at August 27, 2013 07:58 PM (uH46F)
I hear ya. That's how I learned the word bastard.
Posted by: Miley Cyrus' Foam Finger at August 27, 2013 07:58 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: zsasz at August 27, 2013 07:58 PM (MMC8r)
@310 - a dude in broad daylight whizzing on the side of a building?
You think that's unusual?
Haven't been to San Francisco since 1980, have you?
Posted by: JEM at August 27, 2013 07:52 PM (o+SC1)
--Oh yeah, but I'm not talking about feral homeless people, just Average Joe. There was one time I saw a dude (again, not apparently homeless, just someone apparently commuting) go around a corner and just pee in the underground part of the Harvard Square T station where the electric buses stop. I guess he couldn't hold it any longer while waiting for his bus.
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 07:59 PM (bufJH)
Posted by: the democrat klan at August 27, 2013 07:59 PM (uH46F)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 27, 2013 07:59 PM (g1DWB)
We shoot off half the Navy's Tomahawk inventory, and achieve bupkus for it.
What next?
Posted by: JEM at August 27, 2013 07:59 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 27, 2013 07:57 PM (ZshNr)
obama is still dithering. the brits parliament has not met, the ruskies are probably threatening obama, and the us opinion polls are against it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 08:00 PM (9Xc5j)
"No booms tonight means they got a 24 hour reprieve."
The Royal Family has some kind of celebration tomorrow so I think we are looking at Thursday....
Posted by: Meremortal at August 27, 2013 08:00 PM (1Y+hH)
What next?
Posted by: JEM at August 27, 2013 07:59 PM (o+SC1)
Go to a 9 or less Carrier Navy
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 27, 2013 08:01 PM (9Xc5j)
Another interesting thing about some city
development and sewers: London expanded up-river, up-Thames, with
wealthy new suburbs springing up on that side of the city, and the
downriver sides getting poorer.
This was largely a function of
sewage flow. Go up river, the water is cleaner, it stinks less. Go down
river, teh water is filthier, and it stinks more
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 07:55 PM (/IWYB)
That reminds me:
http://youtu.be/5B74WPxZGfw
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 08:02 PM (bufJH)
Posted by: garrett at August 27, 2013 08:02 PM (4Tdcj)
Posted by: ace
The giant stone spheres Parisians used to clear out the sewers was the inspiration for the famous Raiders of the Lost Ark opening action scene.
#TriviaWar
#notreally
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 27, 2013 08:02 PM (HJ0MR)
+1 to me, ball is in your court.
Posted by: ace
True, so very true. Ben was a real and valid scientist.
But he was not an industrialist. He merely helped discover the principle of artificial refrigeration. It was many decades later that engineers began development refrigerating machines that could be mass-produced, and thereby impact society (which is what I was referring to).
The real problem in fact was miniaturization. The first "refrigerators" were gigantic and could only be used in ice-making factories on a large scale--the ice produced therein replacing the imported river ice or mountain ice or Arctic ice, and which was still transported in blocks to ice boxes in private homes.
The real breakthrough came when (little by little, with no single inventor being personally responsible) they finally began to shrink the size of refrigeration units so that they could be installed in individual homes -- what we would today call a "refrigerator."
In fact, refrigerators are one of the very few inventions that have no single person identified as "the" inventor -- it took dozens of people many decades to make it happen.
Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 08:03 PM (+cx5n)
Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 07:53 PM (+cx5n)
A couple of my father's aunts called them ice boxes all the years I knew them. The upscale houses had the boxes built into the back wall of the house, and had a door on the outside so the ice man could put a fresh block of ice in.
Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 08:03 PM (Oz+LZ)
Come on, Ace, you know this. Don't act so surprised. Isn't this Creative Writing 101? Create conflict, then resolve it. There ain't a reality show on the tube, opinion show or talk radio that doesn't use this technique. Get two assholes together and they each argue one corner. Fans of either position get to root for their hero.
Posted by: Pooter Hound at August 27, 2013 08:03 PM (srg5s)
Posted by: Ma Bell at August 27, 2013 08:04 PM (RLdcX)
I'll charge $100 per session per idiot.
Now, I just need to learn how the hell to "twerk."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 27, 2013 08:04 PM (lVPtV)
Posted by: Chelsea Puma (+SmuD) at August 27, 2013 08:04 PM (NqxXc)
1. Iran says it will retaliate for its ally against Israel.
2. Expert: "As things stand, developments will play into Moscow's hands."
So, Israel loses. Russia gains/U.S. loses.
Perfect!
That's the Ogabe agenda in a nutshell.
Posted by: Cretin, tallied "like pure hydro" moron in the masterpiece "Waterworld" (1995) at August 27, 2013 08:05 PM (jYZuY)
I encourage all feminysts to live every day without the contributions of white men.
Posted by: zsasz at August 27, 2013 06:41 PM (MMC8r)"
Camille Paglia wrote in Sexual Personae that if it weren't for patriarchy, humans would still be in living in grass huts. The years since its publication have convinced me Paglia was overly optimistic.
The reason I have a love-hate relationship with technology and science is that I know to a certainty that the people who complain the loudest about "society" are the ones who are alive only because of how easy life is because of that same technology and science.
Posted by: Sudden Clarity Clarence at August 27, 2013 08:05 PM (gtJYA)
Posted by: Ma Bell at August 27, 2013 08:05 PM (RLdcX)
the sewers was the inspiration for the famous Raiders of the Lost Ark
opening action scene.
#TriviaWar
#notreally
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 27, 2013 08:02 PM (HJ0MR)
--and they flushed the alligators to eat whatever survived the boulders.
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 08:06 PM (bufJH)
Posted by: garrett at August 27, 2013 08:07 PM (4Tdcj)
single person identified as "the" inventor -- it took dozens of people
many decades to make it happen.<<<
That's only because Doc Brown had sweet, sweet, country schoolhouse poonanny on the brain.
Posted by: Fritz at August 27, 2013 08:07 PM (KIHQS)
Posted by: Waterhouse at August 27, 2013 08:08 PM (ZihsD)
Virginia Woolf is rolling in her grave
Posted by: weew at August 27, 2013 06:44 PM (2yhel)"
I'm not afraid of her.
Posted by: Martha the drunken slut at August 27, 2013 08:08 PM (31Nrp)
Fewer weapons in the hands of the evil USA Armed Forces can only be conducive to world peace!
Posted by: Barky Ochoomba I at August 27, 2013 08:09 PM (XdnQT)
Pretty sure it was, although that may be based on the musical. However, the constitutional convention was in 1787. Contemporary records (see link in nick) indicate it was hot.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 27, 2013 08:10 PM (CeNUw)
Posted by: Ma Bell at August 27, 2013 08:10 PM (RLdcX)
Posted by: Ronster at August 27, 2013 08:11 PM (ol1e8)
Telegram. Telegram for the King of Jordan. I say, telegram ....
Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood (Mentioned in Despatches) at August 27, 2013 08:11 PM (yL0v8)
I'm just saying... Virginia Woolf made a very eloquent case for a Room Of One's Own, in which a woman can have the privacy and QUIET in which to properly write.
Modern liberals don't even understand their own heroes any more.
Posted by: weew at August 27, 2013 08:12 PM (2yhel)
Posted by: Ma Bell at August 27, 2013 08:12 PM (RLdcX)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at August 27, 2013 08:12 PM (jucos)
Another interesting thing about some city development and sewers: London expanded up-river, up-Thames, with wealthy new suburbs springing up on that side of the city, and the downriver sides getting poorer.
This was largely a function of sewage flow. Go up river, the water is cleaner, it stinks less. Go down river, teh water is filthier, and it stinks more
Posted by: ace
Which was also influenced/driven by the discovery of how cholera spread during the London Outbreak of 1854. If you didn't channel the sewage away from your drinking supply (wells and springs), you'd get invisible bugs in the water.
Posted by: imp at August 27, 2013 08:13 PM (L9AnB)
Albany NY was one of the first. It started there when the Dutch were still in control of the area.
There were sections of the old Dutch sewer system still in active use on State St. until just a few years ago.
The system, which proved incredibly durable, was made from oak timbers with slate slabs on top and bottom, sealed with pitch.
If a modern day plumber needed to tap in, they just drilled a hole in the oak timber and shoved their PVC pipe in.
Posted by: Chelsea Purp at August 27, 2013 08:13 PM (2BHYC)
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 08:13 PM (bufJH)
Posted by: Ronster at August 27, 2013 08:11 PM (ol1e
If you hunt around on Shorpy, you can find pictures of them.
Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 08:13 PM (Oz+LZ)
Posted by: SkyWatch at August 27, 2013 08:14 PM (la5zl)
You think that's unusual?
Haven't been to San Francisco since 1980, have you?
Posted by: JEM
You can say that again!
Public urination is now commonplace in San Francisco -- especially in the Tenderloin neighborhood, which absolutely REEKS of urine.
Just yesterday, in fact, I was at the corner of Mason and Turk, right next to Market, and a bum just whipped out his dick from his greasy pants and peed directly on the sidewalk -- not even against a building or anything. This was at 1pm, not in the middle of the night, either.
I've seen such behavior so often now that it has ceased to become even noteworthy any more.
Same thing happens in certain parts of the Mission District, too.
Along Folsom Street, however, piss is a precious resource, and is usually reserved for mouths, legs or faces, and not squandered on sidewalks. (And no, I only wish I was joking about this last detail: http://www.zombietime.com/up_your_alley_2008/part_1_full/IMG_4020.JPG)
Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 08:15 PM (+cx5n)
Posted by: Chelsea Waldman at August 27, 2013 08:15 PM (bUmSq)
Posted by: ChelseaMonster at August 27, 2013 08:15 PM (oY6Yp)
The upscale houses had the boxes built into the back wall of the house, and had a door on the outside so the ice man could put a fresh block of ice in.
Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 08:03 PM (Oz+LZ)
I've heard of that, although I'm too young to actually remember it.
I am old enough to remember an insulated metal "milk box" on the front porch, where the "milk man" in his "milk truck" would make regular deliveries.
Posted by: rickl at August 27, 2013 08:15 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: zombie at August 27, 2013 08:15 PM (+cx5n)
--With all sincere respect, zombie, I am *not* going to click there.
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2013 08:19 PM (bufJH)
Yeah, the delegates were complaining about the heat.
But theyhad been growing up in much cooler temps, so to them, it probably seemed 'hot'.
I still haven't been able to find anyactual temp records for that time period, for here in the US.
The ones in Europeshow that the temps in the summer ranged from 50's to the 70's in the late 1700's.
[from the link in your nick:]
"Interestingly enough, weather records indicate that the delegates may have exaggerated. According to historian David O. Stewart, a 20th-century study said Philadelphia enjoyed a relatively cool summer in 1787."
Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 08:19 PM (el7k2)
inspiration for the famous Raiders of the Lost Ark opening action scene.
I actually think you're right. Either that or I've read people call those stones "Just like the boulder in Raiders."
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 08:20 PM (/IWYB)
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 08:25 PM (/IWYB)
Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 08:26 PM (Oz+LZ)
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 08:26 PM (/IWYB)
Yeah, the delegates were complaining about the heat.
But they had been growing up in much cooler temps, so to them, it probably seemed 'hot'.
Posted by: wheatie at August 27, 2013 08:19 PM (el7k2)
With the windows nailed shut and a room full of men, it would have gotten hot indoors regardless of the temperature outside.
Posted by: rickl at August 27, 2013 08:26 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: angel with a sword at August 27, 2013 08:28 PM (4ypfR)
I am old enough to remember an insulated metal "milk box" on the front porch, where the "milk man" in his "milk truck" would make regular deliveries.
Posted by: rickl at August 27, 2013 08:15 PM (sdi6R)
Today, my vet has a nearly identical box on her front porch where she puts blood samples to be picked up for transport to the lab.
Posted by: rickl at August 27, 2013 08:31 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Retread at August 27, 2013 08:35 PM (Oz+LZ)
The world is surely all fucked up when I agree with Kucinich? G-D I need a drink
***
Oh, man. I agree with Kooky too. What a depressing thought.
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 27, 2013 08:49 PM (VlXYw)
US vote "granted" women in 1920, awfully late.
Posted by: panzernashorn at August 27, 2013 07:47 PM (MhA4j)"
The laws regarding voting have traditionally been implemented at the state level. Women could vote in New Jersey before 1800 when the state revised their voting laws and one of the reforms was to end female suffrage. In 1876 Wyoming allowed women to vote in order to encourage immigration. Some other states followed suit. By the time the 19th Amendment was passed, the majority of women in the United States could vote in accordance with the laws of their states.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at August 27, 2013 09:05 PM (31Nrp)
Don't even get me started on the Section 8 Cambodian wiggers with a boatload of small kids and a penchant for car stereos blasting rap that may or may not be in English--probably to drown out the screaming kids. Um, sorry there Wu Tang, but it's not working and its giving me a serious headache. And let's not forget that you know it's spring here when you hear ice cream trucks and police choppers--at 0400 (Yes, I'm up at that hour--it's when I do some of my best work on my "second shift").
I want quiet. When it gets dark and the streetlights come on, I want the kids too focused on bedtime videos ("Jurassic Barney" would be a nice choice,along with gentle sangs about the dos and don'ts in Cellblock D where most of them are going sooner or later) to be trying to hit notes that shatter the windows. Never mind my eardrums and patience. I'd like to hear crickets instead of some drug-addled skank gibbering at the top of her lungs at the people across the street. Sigh. Not gonna happen here.
That Slate scrunt thinks this is just a guy thing to not want to hear constant, loud and sudden noises? OK, she can live here and listen to "The Symphony" while trying to compose her ridiculous essays. After all, what real womon doesn't want to hear children sounding like jet turbines tearing themselves apart after a birdstrike at all hours of the day and night? I'm sure her editors would love her work after a few months when she's damn near jumping out of her skin at every sudden noise. On second thought, they probably won't notice her going slowly batshit insane, because that probably happened sometime around 1978....
Posted by: Jenk at August 27, 2013 09:12 PM (8xKUx)
where'd everyone go? I want to talk more about poop and ice.
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2013 08:25 PM (/IWYB)"
You can check out this web site for answers to all your sewage questions. For ice boxes you are on your own.
http://www.sewerhistory.org/
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at August 27, 2013 09:15 PM (31Nrp)
Posted by: francis at August 27, 2013 09:50 PM (jutgs)
Posted by: another fapping moron at August 27, 2013 11:09 PM (EV3Uf)
Posted by: Pete in TX at August 27, 2013 11:32 PM (GDLvN)
Just had a moment (in quiet) to read this.
This isn't just platinum wordsmithing, this is Quiet Wordsmithing.
Thanks, Ace.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 28, 2013 05:23 AM (IXrOn)
Galileo was sexist; so the world must be flat. QED... or something.
Posted by: gekkobear at August 28, 2013 12:14 PM (hUkT4)
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