Momentum and Gallup's Unreliable Generic Ballot

Not to beat a dead horse, but Jay Cost has more on Gallup's phony generic ballot polling that has been used by some candidates and many libtard bloggers to claim Democratic momentum as we enter the home stretch. Gallup just released another poll suggesting that the generic ballot is tied again.

This is the biggest reason why registered voter polls are so problematic this cycle: Republicans are much more enthusiastic to vote than Democrats, and in relatively non-stimulating midterm elections such as this, enthusiasm counts for a lot. More Gallup:

Given the usual Democratic advantages in party identification among the general public, it is rare for Republicans to lead on the generic ballot among registered voters. This was the case even when Republicans were the majority congressional party from the mid-1990s to the mid-2000s. Turnout is crucial in midterm elections. With at least 80% of Americans registered to vote but only about half that number likely to vote in the midterm elections, registered voter and actual voter preferences can differ significantly.
All things considered, I’m not entirely sure why Gallup would even put this number of registered voters out there. Clearly, it thinks the GOP has a lead in voter preferences for the House. Why publish a poll that shows a dead heat? On top of that, in the previous six cycles (1998, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006, and 200, Gallup had already released its likely voter generic ballot by this point in the cycle. Its first likely voter model of this cycle is not due out until early October. That’s pretty peculiar.
I do not know what explains this delay, but regardless: be wary of registered voter polls from this point forward.

Plenty more at that link, click over and read the whole thing.

My recent nattering about momentum, Gallup's unreliable generic ballot, and framing poll results are here and here.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 12:48 PM

Comments

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1 Dicks, sucking, not assembled yet.

Posted by: toby928™ at October 02, 2010 12:50 PM (S5YRY)

2 So they want to spin things so that dems don't just stay home in a depressed funk.
Well I think THIS year the awakened conservatives will just be even more likely to GOTV thinking they have to overcome lemmings swayed by the lying DNC commercials + the dhimmicrat fraud so bring it on fools.

Posted by: Palerider at October 02, 2010 12:54 PM (m+nIW)

3 I have not seen on Dem ad that did not just attack the Repub. No agenda, no message, just "OMG my opponent is a horrible puppet of rich people and evil satan worshiper 11!!11!!"

Really, really positive message they have to get people to the polls.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at October 02, 2010 01:00 PM (/yuG/)

4 O/T: I just realized that I looked up and Fox, who didn't cover the Beck rally, is covering this rally today like it is the end all event of our time.

Posted by: curious at October 02, 2010 01:02 PM (p302b)

5 Yeah, I got their momentum, right here.

Posted by: SlaveDog at October 02, 2010 01:06 PM (foEpt)

6 Fox just had an absolutely clueless Tardfester on air. Mumbling about all the mean people taking piles of money away from education, etc. Says they have to "stay strong and together to stop "them"..."

What a bunch of toolbags these people are.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 02, 2010 01:07 PM (Ly+aE)

7 What's up with the lib Google Ads? "Defeat Bachman"?!?! "Rick Perry is a Liar"?!??! Have I somehow found myself in Bizzaro Ace World?

Posted by: CCooper at October 02, 2010 01:08 PM (Hp8Ic)

8 For some reason, they display ads that really wouldn't appeal to this audience.

I want to find out how to get knocked up without a uterus, because according to one the ads, "Acton Mom makes $83 per hour!!"

Posted by: fluffy, suffering from uterine deprivation at October 02, 2010 01:14 PM (4Kl5M)

9 If you poll 'registered voters' it allows for the fraudulent ballots dems have increasingly come to rely on in recent elections, so maybe it isn't too inaccurate.

Posted by: kurtilator at October 02, 2010 01:16 PM (juh4Z)

10 Interesting coverage of the WholeBunchofLoonsApalooza from AP. They say "thousands" are there, then point out that some 400 "groups" (they don't mention the Communists, Che-fans and related fringe-of-the-fringes groups) among them.

If there are 10K people attending (a fairly liberal estimate, IYKWIMAITYD), my atrophied math skills tell me that an average of 250 dimwits per group. Pretty pathetic. Especially since Ma'm Huffington offered up Free Buses For All.

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 02, 2010 01:19 PM (Ulu3i)

11
Why is Gallup is putting the car in D for Deceptive instead of R for Reliable?

Posted by: fiscal ferret, social fruit bat at October 02, 2010 01:20 PM (jTUWN)

12 It's a good thing. I wish Gallup put us down 3 points so we don't start counting unhatched chickens.

Hey everyone! We're in trouble! Pelosi and Reid will be back!!!

Posted by: flurmf at October 02, 2010 01:22 PM (xO+xd)

13 This week's recap-

Marist polls confirm-
Johnson, Buck, Toomey closing.
Raese building over the week, Kirk holding steady,
McMahon (CT) closing in.
Likely-to-Lock pickups of 6:
AR,ND,IN,PA,WI,CO(new)
Leaning GOP-
WV,IL
Leaning Dem (
NV,CT
Leaning Dem (
WA (D+4.7), CA (D+6.9), NY (D+10)
---
GOP pickups per polling in house- +32, ties included +72, very vulnerable to GOP slide +99, somewhat vulnerable to GOP slide +120.

Any polling firm using RV from here on out, TOSS immediately from the averaging. There will be a few bouts of rescue polling in the next 2 weeks, but even the most biased organizations will abandon it in order to be "right" on Election day.

Posted by: CAC at October 02, 2010 01:22 PM (Gr1V1)

14 o/t: monica crowley is on fire today.

Posted by: curious at October 02, 2010 01:23 PM (p302b)

15 Dear Dems,

If voting could actually change anything, it'd be illegal. Please keep telling yourself this until Nov 3rd.

KTHXBAI

Posted by: Dave@ at October 02, 2010 01:25 PM (SHHCw)

16 o/t: kudlow was talking about this article on his show before. It was a great show, he finally bought his regulars from his CNBC show back on and it turned out to be one of the best shows kudlow has done in a long time.

Posted by: curious at October 02, 2010 01:26 PM (p302b)

17 "but even the most biased organizations will abandon it in order to be "right" on Election day"

Gallup certainly didn't in 1994. That was hilarious.

Posted by: someone at October 02, 2010 01:27 PM (DfAwB)

18 Anyone in Georgia? Anyone feel competent to tell me why I should vote for Nathan Deal other than he has an R by his name? Yes, I will vote for him because he has an R by his name but I'd like to know more than the absolutely next to nothing I know about the Invisible Man. Yes, he has a 8 point lead over Barnes, but how? I haven't a clue.

I live in the Savannah area and I have not seen a single campaign sign or the first TV commercial or heard a singly radio ad. I commute 50 miles to work so that's a lot of territory for signs and a lot of time with the radio on and the TV is on a lot at home. However, Roy Barnes has been saturating both AM radio and the TV with constant Deal Is the Debile ads.

I want to know about Deal, that's all... I simply want to know about him.... And what is weirder, when I ask I get...
a. A lecture about how bad our current POTUS is (or any Dem one has been).
b. How bad Roy Barnes is and how EVIL I am for asking about Deal.
c. How good Sonny Perdue (our current governor is).
d. Rants against me because I'm asking question and WHAT!! there are lots of ads for Deal, what planet do I live on!?
e. Multiple 20,000 word epistles on conservatism, the evils of the world we live in, how we all must vote the Dems out at all costs.

Not ONE answer about Deal, who he is, what he's done, why should anyone vote for him (other than he has an R by his name).

I'm voting for Deal, but dammit, the more idiot and asshole responses I get to an honest "Why should I vote for him?" Makes me want to strangle the idiots and assholes who think that just an R is enough.

Thank you, Rant Off....
Now I'm going to fix more Sangria.

PS- I posted a similar rant on my FB page and it appears from my friend's responses I'm not the only Georgian feeling puzzled and perplexed.

Posted by: EZB at October 02, 2010 01:35 PM (fa9yq)

19 It's settled. Dems are polling at 90% among registered dead voters.

Posted by: dogfish at October 02, 2010 01:37 PM (W8fQm)

20 Nice to see the Gallup Generic brought down a peg. We have to take into account who does the polls so we can take them with the appropriate grain of salt. For those concerned about the recent CNN poll showing Liza Minkowski within 2 of Joe Palin-Miller in Alaska, Hillbuzz did a good takedown of that poll.

The conclusions:

1) They undersampled 18-34 year olds (who lean Miller)
2) They oversampled 60+ year olds (who lean Minnelli)
3) They oversampled Anchorage (which leans Minnelli)
4) They undersampled the brush (which leans Miller)

Posted by: random at October 02, 2010 01:37 PM (PUpEa)

21 wow, I just went to c-span's website, indeed they are using Beck's rally's pictures and passing them off as this pathetic rally's attendence pictures.
(you can see those yellow gadsden flags in the background)

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at October 02, 2010 01:38 PM (ACkhT)

22 #17
It lost a lot of flack for that too.
I am going to bet that PPP AND Rasmussen come the closest in the last week.
It launches PPP ahead for credibility after nailing DE-Primary, MA-Senate.

Zogby lost all credibility with his idiocy in 2000 and 2004. Gallup fucks this up, they lose it too.
Note that few if ANY bloggers are even getting reved about that stupid Newsweek poll with RV showing the dems up 5. Even the liberals can smell the shit and at this late in the game it DOES NOT HELP THEM- it discourages Democrats from showing up if they think they have it in the bag anyway.

Posted by: CAC at October 02, 2010 01:40 PM (Gr1V1)

23 18
Anyone in Georgia? Anyone feel competent to tell me why I should vote for Nathan Deal other than he has an R by his name?

Georgia is going to gain a House seat in the next reapportionment. An R Governor is more likely to support gerrymandering that favors the Republican Party in the redistricting process. Even though Georgia Ds may be more conservative than some Rs, we've seen how effective the Blue Dog Democrats were in this last session of Congress. Money talks, and the Blue Dogs ultimately (mostly) opted for party over principle, as they realized the financial support from the national Dem organizations depended on party loyalty.

Bottom line: more Rs = good, because even though a lot of Rs are squishy RINOs, the overall R platform is always more conservative than the overall D platform. Having an R Governor helps this cause in a redistricting year. A squishy R that can be arm-twisted into following the party line is better than a conservative D that can be arm-twisted into following his party line. Then, the following election, local activists can attempt to primary the squishy R.

Big picture: we can move the Overton Window to the right. It's artificially too far to the left right now. We need to change this dynamic.

Posted by: random at October 02, 2010 01:50 PM (PUpEa)

24 Rasmussen 's GOP lead dropped from +9 to +6

Posted by: archie bunker at October 02, 2010 01:52 PM (0YS61)

25
Posted by: archie bunker

your sister's clam

Posted by: fiscal ferret, social fruit bat at October 02, 2010 01:56 PM (jTUWN)

26 Rasmussen 's GOP lead dropped from +9 to +6

Oh, I guess I won't vote, then. I can't really support a side that isn't guaranteed to win by like 10 points.

Posted by: Methos at October 02, 2010 01:58 PM (GzEs1)

27 Are they polling extremists? I just heard that I am an extremist.

Posted by: fluffy, extreme teabagger at October 02, 2010 01:59 PM (4Kl5M)

28 Rasussen's latest poll.... 32% of the electorate does not self identify with EITHER major party.
This is the story the MSM and two partys really don't want to talk about... how almost 1/3 of the electorate does not trust EITHER party.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 02, 2010 02:00 PM (AdK6a)

29
The dems are spending money like crazy - attempting to smear the entire GOP as our to rape you.

shades of Soros.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at October 02, 2010 02:00 PM (0fzsA)

30
out

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at October 02, 2010 02:01 PM (0fzsA)

31 Rasmussen 's GOP lead dropped from +9 to +6

Statistical noise.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 02, 2010 02:01 PM (O81yg)

32 Big picture: we can move the Overton Window to the right. It's
artificially too far to the left right now. We need to change this
dynamic.

That part I understand.... I have from the day one..... I knew with Handel (who I campaigned for) losing that I'd vote for Deal. No question.

But who is Nathan Deal? No one can answer that. Everything I read is so negative about the man, so slimy, so bad, I feel like I'll need a chlorine bath after voting. I don't like voting for a monster without knowing all the facts. And I'm not the only one who feels this way.

We need for an R governor, yes. That I get....but I don't like being raped without at least pulling off the balaclava first. But it appears that Deal is counting on the R being adequate. Damn, I hate it!

Posted by: EZB at October 02, 2010 02:01 PM (fa9yq)

33 O/T: Is there a prerequisite that in order to attend today's rally you have to be more than well fed?

Posted by: curious at October 02, 2010 02:01 PM (p302b)

34 This is the story the MSM and two partys really
don't want to talk about... how almost 1/3 of the electorate does not
trust EITHER party.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 02, 2010 02:00 PM (AdK6a)
Especially Dems in this cycle, since the indies are breaking hard right. Or, how most of the indies are actually disillusioned Reps who no longer have to be registered to vote in primaries.

Posted by: Editor at October 02, 2010 02:02 PM (YX6i/)

35 The dems are spending money like crazy - attempting to smear the entire GOP as our to rape you.shades of Soros.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at October 02, 2010 02:00 PM (0fzsA)
This is why the RNC should spend their money on branding, not individual candidates.

Posted by: Editor at October 02, 2010 02:03 PM (YX6i/)

36 O/T: Is there a prerequisite that in order to attend today's rally you have to be more than well fed?

Posted by: curious at October 02, 2010 02:01 PM (p302b)
All matching T-shirt orders were placed for XL, XXL XXXL.

Posted by: Tami at October 02, 2010 02:03 PM (VuLos)

37 Oh jeez, "need to catch a break sometimes"? This is the message this idiot wants to put across? These are mentally deficient people, aren't they?

Posted by: jas at October 02, 2010 02:04 PM (ZM2Bn)

38 but even the most biased organizations will abandon it in order to be "right" on Election day.

Posted by: CAC at October 02, 2010 01:22 PM (Gr1V1)
Someone hasn't tried my special sauce...

Posted by: Zogby at October 02, 2010 02:06 PM (bgcml)

39 Anyone feel competent to tell me why I should vote for Nathan Deal other than he has an R by his name?

Nathan Deal on the issues

Posted by: fluffy the interwebist at October 02, 2010 02:11 PM (4Kl5M)

40
What does Nathan Deal say to his wife when he's horny?

Let's make a Deal.

Posted by: fiscal ferret, social fruit bat at October 02, 2010 02:12 PM (jTUWN)

41 Anyone feel competent to tell me why I should vote for Nathan Deal other than he has an R by his name?

So I won't fuck your dog?

Posted by: Nathan Deal at October 02, 2010 02:16 PM (OdSjh)

42 What does Nathan Deal say to his wife when he's horny?

Let's make a Deal.

I prefer a more direct approach.

Posted by: Mel 'Casanova' Gibson at October 02, 2010 02:16 PM (4Kl5M)

43 Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at October 02, 2010 01:38 PM (ACkhT)

seriously? wow, no wonder it looks familiar.

all i see are huge women who I wouldn't want to have to walk past on a narrow path.

Posted by: curious at October 02, 2010 02:18 PM (p302b)

44 Those pictures of CommieFest '10 are outstanding. You can see that the Park Police put up those metal crowd barriers, but... no crowd. Like, whatsoever. I saw more people in line for the paddleboats at the Cherry Blossom Festival.

I lol'd.

Posted by: Filly at October 02, 2010 02:19 PM (GcVt/)

45 But Stewart/Colbert will get much more than this. The MFM will see to that.

Posted by: Filly at October 02, 2010 02:21 PM (GcVt/)

46 Suppose you gave a game-changing rally... and NOBODY CAME!

http://tinyurl.com/22ncvxr

Posted by: richard mcenroe at October 02, 2010 02:22 PM (LFAxM)

47 fluffy the interwebist at October 02, 2010 02:11 PM (4Kl5M)

Thank you! You're the first person in about 20 who actually got the question and gave useful information! YAY!

Posted by: EZB at October 02, 2010 02:24 PM (fa9yq)

48 So I won't fuck your dog?

Good luck--- you'll have to get past the 10 foot python and the pissy yard geese first.

Posted by: EZB at October 02, 2010 02:26 PM (fa9yq)

49 OT: I was catching up on Hotair, and found a curious poll in the article on David Brooks. Curious, because 'What madman would commission such a thing?" In a three way race for 2012, the poll results were Obama (D) 30, Palin (R) 29, Clinton, H (I) 27.

That's close enough for anyone to win, and just might be tempting enough to get Hillary to try something wildly unwise (but in vogue this year),

Posted by: Methos at October 02, 2010 02:32 PM (GzEs1)

50 so far this morning the message on Fox has been that the pres is the game changer. He's been out campaigning and there is going to be an upset cause of the pres and people will be shocked. And this is fox. CNN has been slightly more honest but in the same vein.

the blaze is live streaming the event
and this.....

Posted by: curious at October 02, 2010 02:32 PM (p302b)

51 Yesterday I said Rick Sanchez is going to replace gibsey and no one said a word.....

and now the thought that gibsey along with the others who have jumped ship is entertaining leaving. And Rick sanchez just happens to be available.

Posted by: curious at October 02, 2010 02:35 PM (p302b)

52 AACK! An Allyson Schwartz banner ad on AoSHQ?! What is going on?

Posted by: Ombudsman at October 02, 2010 02:35 PM (c1oyg)

53 >>Good luck--- you'll have to get past the 10 foot python and the pissy yard geese first.

Done and done.

Posted by: Nathan Deal at October 02, 2010 02:35 PM (OdSjh)

54 Momentum favors the GOP? Not to worry, the Grand Old Rinos still have plenty of time to screw this up. http://tinyurl.com/2fz3eyc

So, I guess it really doesn't matter if a true commonsense conservative is actually able to win; SOP is to take her out anyway.

Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood RN at October 02, 2010 02:37 PM (YZ0iV)

55 35 The dems are spending money like crazy - attempting to smear the entire GOP as our to rape you.

shades of Soros.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at October 02, 2010 02:00 PM (0fzsA)

This is why the RNC should spend their money on branding, not individual candidates.

But... the RNC is out to rape us too...

Posted by: richard mcenroe at October 02, 2010 02:38 PM (LFAxM)

56 The logic for a Chairman Gibbs, according to one official: It would “put the Obama imprimatur on the DNC, once and for all

Oh, yes, please.

Posted by: Methos at October 02, 2010 02:38 PM (GzEs1)

57 I just watched a few minutes of Progressive-fest 2010 and Harry Bellefonte was speaking. He didn't grasp the unintended irony when he said that it was important to vote on November 2nd because America needed to build its industry and stop those who would impose totalitarianism.
Useful. Idiot.
------------
Also, I was a the 8/28 Rally and the crowd density was much heavier than it is at Progressive-fest. Even after the crowd has "thickened." In the distance shots, I can see grass on the left side of the reflecting pool. Hell, the crowd is pretty thin even on top of the Lincoln Memorial.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at October 02, 2010 02:39 PM (S2+uh)

58 just watched a few minutes of Progressive-fest 2010 and Harry
Bellefonte was speaking.
I thought he was dead. Turns out he's just brain-dead.

Posted by: Ombudsman at October 02, 2010 02:40 PM (c1oyg)

59 Who knew Noah had so many lessons to teach us? Shit, Moses was a piker compared to him.

Posted by: redstatedeb at October 02, 2010 02:41 PM (CluUg)

60 OK, which of you morons has been moroning at C-SPAN? 8/28 pic is down on the homepage, replaced with a screencap of today's rally. Gee, for some reason they waited until more than 5 people showed up to put one there.

Posted by: Filly at October 02, 2010 02:41 PM (GcVt/)

61 It's October, bitches !!!!! Time for surprises !!!!!!!!!!!

front's comin'.............

By the time the polls close in the Pacific Time Zone on Nov 2, Wolf Blitzed will be puking in the trash can and CBS-NBC-ABC will be gasping for air

Reid and BozoBoxer and PattyMominTennisShoes losing will push them over the Edge and into XanaX land--on Live Television

and then they will blow me.................

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at October 02, 2010 02:42 PM (dPcmp)

62 BWAH! I just checked in again and now there's just a grey box where the pics used to be.

Somebody's pissing his soy latte right down his biodegradable bicycle shorts over the C-SPAN weberverse.

Posted by: Filly at October 02, 2010 02:43 PM (GcVt/)

63 I thought Benjamin Jealous was supposed to be black?

Posted by: redstatedeb at October 02, 2010 02:43 PM (CluUg)

64 Holy fuck, how can you Americans be so vulnerable to actual election fraud? My prayers and blessings are with you.

Posted by: The Drunken Conservative at October 02, 2010 02:43 PM (z0tvQ)

65 4
Rasmussen 's GOP lead dropped from +9 to +6
Posted by: archie bunker atOctober 02, 2010 01:52 PM (0YS

Hey Arch, I gave Gloria the herp. Hahahaha.

Posted by: Meathead at October 02, 2010 02:44 PM (FJQB5)

66 You can say I wanna be freeI can say someday I will be

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at October 02, 2010 02:44 PM (tE8FB)

67 @59
Turns out he's just brain-dead.
Yeh, according to him, the people that want to impose totalitarianism are the Tea Party members.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at October 02, 2010 02:45 PM (S2+uh)

68
Holy fuck, how can you Americans be so vulnerable to actual election fraud? My prayers and blessings are with you.

Posted by: The Drunken Conservative at October 02, 2010 02:43 PM (z0tvQ)
It's only election fraud when committed by Conservatives. When the libs do it, it's free expression and fighting the Man.

Posted by: Ombudsman at October 02, 2010 02:45 PM (c1oyg)

69 Holy Shit! Did you see Big Mama in the crowd? Michelle needs to talk to her.

Posted by: redstatedeb at October 02, 2010 02:46 PM (CluUg)

70 Yeah, yeah. I know. The Sanchez thing has been done to death and that thread is now dead.

Too bad! I watched his insufferable ass and I now want to cast him upon you too.

Here's his farewell address at WSVN in Miami when he left for greener pastures. Maybe it's just his tone but the doucheitude is knee deep.

Posted by: jmflynny at October 02, 2010 02:47 PM (C/blo)

71 Posted by: curious at October 02, 2010 02:32 PM (p302b)

In the land of the Blind, the one-eyed coke-snorting libtard newsman is king

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at October 02, 2010 02:47 PM (dPcmp)

72 Boy, these lefties do like to chant don't they? Group think = Group Talk

Posted by: redstatedeb at October 02, 2010 02:47 PM (CluUg)

73 By the time the polls close in the Pacific Time Zone on Nov 2, Wolf
Blitzed will be puking in the trash can and CBS-NBC-ABC will be gasping
for air

My only source of amusement the night Hussein was elected, was the fact that Brit Hume had clearly been drinking. I doubt the DemSM is going to hold itself together as well as he did.

Posted by: Methos at October 02, 2010 02:48 PM (GzEs1)

74
> 50 OT: ... found a curious poll in the article on David Brooks. Curious, because 'What madman would commission such a thing?" In a three way race for 2012, the poll results were Obama (D) 30, Palin (R) 29, Clinton, H (I) 27.

That's close enough for anyone to win, ...

Posted by: Methos

Wow. Now factor in the electoral college and you have NO IDEA who the winner is in that race. It might even go to the House. Hey, wait a minute... heh heh heh.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at October 02, 2010 02:48 PM (MTnNh)

75 Yeah! Let's kiull the top 1% for the benefit of the other 99%. Oh Yeah! Let's fuck that chicken to death!

Posted by: redstatedeb at October 02, 2010 02:49 PM (CluUg)

76 He skipped UNDER GOD in the pledge!

Posted by: redstatedeb at October 02, 2010 02:50 PM (CluUg)

77 @63
BWAH! I just checked in again and now there's just a grey box where the pics used to be.
I just looked at CSPAN and they finally put a picture of the actual crowd up on the site. I guess it must have finally looked big enough to not be a joke.
I do hope somebody got a screen capture of the original lead-in photo featuring the 8/28 Rally crowd. Beck would have much fun lampooning CSPAN over than little "factual error."

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at October 02, 2010 02:50 PM (S2+uh)

78 76...

Who's death? The chicken or our own?

Posted by: jmflynny at October 02, 2010 02:51 PM (C/blo)

79 Both, honey. Once that chicken's dead we will all be right behind it.

Posted by: redstatedeb at October 02, 2010 02:51 PM (CluUg)

80 77...

Really?

Posted by: jmflynny at October 02, 2010 02:52 PM (C/blo)

81 I doubt the DemSM is going to hold itself together as well as he did.

Posted by: Methos at October 02, 2010 02:48 PM (GzEs1)
I can still remember the looks on Rather's and Jennings' faces that night. Jennings kept eyeing the trash can and I thought he was gonna hurl.Rather looked even more dumbfounded and stupefied than usualThe idea that Toonces will 'turn it around' is...........amazing. How many synonyms for 'amazing' are there?

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at October 02, 2010 02:53 PM (dPcmp)

82 Yews he went from 'One Nation" to indivisable, kind of like Oboma skipped mention of the Creator when he talked about our inalienable rights

Posted by: redstatedeb at October 02, 2010 02:54 PM (CluUg)

83 ...one nation, under Gaia, indivisible.....

Posted by: Ombudsman at October 02, 2010 02:56 PM (c1oyg)

84 The idea that Toonces will 'turn it around' is...........amazing. How many synonyms for 'amazing' are there?

Incredible
Unbelievable

Posted by: Methos at October 02, 2010 02:57 PM (GzEs1)

85 One nation under God does not refer to a specific religion, but to THE God. The only people who would be appeased by the elimination of that portion would be atheists.

Prick.

Posted by: jmflynny at October 02, 2010 02:57 PM (C/blo)

86 Exactly, jm. So is "our Creator".

Posted by: redstatedeb at October 02, 2010 02:58 PM (CluUg)

87 Asian are stupid too I guess.

Posted by: redstatedeb at October 02, 2010 03:00 PM (CluUg)

88
Not just atheists, communists. Government subjects. They believe in the government.

Read The Grand Inquisitor -- these people believe there is no use for God; almighty government is a much more efficient and benevolent provider.

Posted by: fiscal ferret, social fruit bat at October 02, 2010 03:01 PM (jTUWN)

89 lgbtq youth? WTF?

Posted by: redstatedeb at October 02, 2010 03:02 PM (CluUg)

90 It's only election fraud when committed by Conservatives. When the libs do it, it's free expression and fighting the Man.

Posted by: Ombudsman at October 02, 2010 02:45 PM (c1oyg)
Yeah, fuck I know that, but like counting of ballots and shit. What the fuck? I have been an election-vote-counting dude in Canada , provincially and federally, and we actually counted ballots by fucking hand with representatives watching over us. I remember having to discount a spoiled ballot for the Conservative candidate I myself voted for because it was improperly marked. (He still won in a landslide in a "yellow-dog" riding.But how the fuck can you Yanks be so susceptible to actual fraud?

Posted by: The Drunken Conservative at October 02, 2010 03:03 PM (z0tvQ)

91 rights: employment, safe housing, education....

Posted by: redstatedeb at October 02, 2010 03:03 PM (CluUg)

92
This protest is good. Shows how the Democrats do not represent American values. Indeed, they represent the antithesis of the American way.

Posted by: fiscal ferret, social fruit bat at October 02, 2010 03:05 PM (jTUWN)

93 Any wide angle shots of the D.C. crowd anywhere?

Posted by: Ed Anger at October 02, 2010 03:05 PM (7+pP9)

94 Colon Whitehead? That cant be a real name!

Posted by: redstatedeb at October 02, 2010 03:06 PM (CluUg)

95 Here's a prediction you can hold me to and ridicule me on Nov 3 if I'm wrong

But I'm right: Angle beats Reid by five percent. Bet on it

Reid has been in the Senate for 24 Fucking Years. Anyone who's been conscious in Nevada this past year knows everything there is to know about Nutsack Harry.

His numbers are stuck below 45 % all Summer and Fall, and only a few people who are now undecided will vote for him in a month. Angle gets the rest

Angle - 52 % , Reid 47 %, that fake tea party doofus 1 %

and then the DNC will blow me

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at October 02, 2010 03:06 PM (dPcmp)

96
I do hope somebody got a screen capture of the
original lead-in photo featuring the 8/28 Rally crowd. Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop

GatewayPundit

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at October 02, 2010 03:06 PM (23kaI)

97 Does anyone have the address to send tips for the ONT?

Posted by: jmflynny at October 02, 2010 03:07 PM (C/blo)

98 Oh, he's deaf. Phew! He won't ever know his name sounds like AssWipehead.......

Posted by: redstatedeb at October 02, 2010 03:07 PM (CluUg)

99 I just looked at cspan and the photo is gone, just a grey box. Politico used the same photo but in a later story they used one of their own that showed nobody there

Posted by: robtr at October 02, 2010 03:08 PM (fwSHf)

100 I'm watching the Cspan live stream, they dont show the crowd much, especially not close-ups. Must be ghastly.

Posted by: redstatedeb at October 02, 2010 03:09 PM (CluUg)

101 But how the fuck can you Yanks be so susceptible to actual fraud?

Posted by: The Drunken Conservative at October 02, 2010 03:03 PM (z0tvQ)
Only old Englishmen call Americans "Yanks" any more, mate.

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at October 02, 2010 03:10 PM (dPcmp)

102 Hey morons moronettes, my question at 91 still stands.

Posted by: The Drunken Conservative at October 02, 2010 03:10 PM (z0tvQ)

103 Per the article at Drudge on the gathering of commies:
While the Beck rally stretched well down the National Mall, Saturday's event was shaping up to be far smaller, with sparse groups lingering around the reflecting pool and other monuments.
BWAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!

Posted by: ErikW at October 02, 2010 03:11 PM (5Q6FR)

104 Ooooh Jessie Jackson Senior! Yippeeeee

Posted by: redstatedeb at October 02, 2010 03:11 PM (CluUg)

105 100..

Oh. They are there. It's just that you big free-wheeling rich Republicans have failed, once again, to see the little people who make this country go 'round. You are blinded to their plight and to their very existence. They are there.

You just refuse to see them.

Posted by: ACLU at October 02, 2010 03:11 PM (C/blo)

106 But how the fuck can you Yanks be so susceptible to actual fraud?

Posted by: The Drunken Conservative at October 02, 2010 03:03 PM (z0tvQ)
Because anyone who says he has a problem with there being, say, more votes cast in the city of Philadelphia that there are actual people who live there is immediately branded a racist who wants to disenfranchise the downtrodden. That's why the dems feel they can commit fraud on such a grand scale with impunity. why the dems scream count all the votes!, which loosely translated, means "keep counting the votes until we win". Vote. Cheat. Count. Repeat.

Posted by: Ombudsman at October 02, 2010 03:11 PM (c1oyg)

107 and then the DNC will blow me

Is that part of the bet?

Posted by: Methos at October 02, 2010 03:12 PM (GzEs1)

108 Only old Englishmen call Americans "Yanks" any more, mate.

Lol, or proper Canadian drunkards mate.

Posted by: The Drunken Conservative at October 02, 2010 03:13 PM (z0tvQ)

109 107...

You left at least two "cheat"s out of the equation.

Cheat.Vote.Cheat.Count.Cheat.Repeat.

Posted by: ACLU at October 02, 2010 03:14 PM (C/blo)

110 103 Hey morons moronettes, my question at 91 still stands.
Posted by: The Drunken Conservative at October 02, 2010 03:10 PM (z0tvQ)

Okay,. see afdter the Civil War the Democrats in the south enacted laws which required a poll tax to vote and also legibilty requirements knowing blacks had not been schooled and were predominantly illiterate. It effectively blocked free blacks from voting. Once this was repaired we now have flaming liberals jumping on even common sense requirements such as showing a drivers license as a new 'poll tax', hence discrimminatory. That's how they make sure anmyone can vote no matter what. We're trying to turn this around. I have to show my license in Virginia to vote and I like that.

Posted by: redstatedeb at October 02, 2010 03:14 PM (CluUg)

111 which loosely translated, means "keep counting the votes until we win". Vote. Cheat. Count. Repeat.

Nope, doesn't answer the actual, logistical question. Like how can cun*s get dead folk and shit on the role?

Posted by: The Drunken Conservative at October 02, 2010 03:15 PM (z0tvQ)

112 Dude up on stage with Jesse Jackson right now looks like the Chocolate Rain guy...

Posted by: tdpwells at October 02, 2010 03:16 PM (Ei3oZ)

113 85
The idea that Toonces will 'turn it around' is...........amazing. How many synonyms for 'amazing' are there?IncredibleUnbelievable

Unprecedented

Posted by: random at October 02, 2010 03:16 PM (PUpEa)

114 Yahoo has a news story about today's rally and attached is a link to photos.

The photos start out clearly being from today's event and then switch to pics from Beck's rally.

You can't really tell from which rally the pics of large crowds originate.

Posted by: eman at October 02, 2010 03:17 PM (Zi5DB)

115 WASHINGTON – Tapping into the same anger that fuels the tea party
movement, a coalition of progressive and civil rights groups marched
Saturday on the Lincoln Memorial and pledged to support Democrats
struggling to keep power on Capitol Hill.
"We are together. This march is about the power to the people," said MSNBC host Ed Schultz. "It is about the people standing up to the corporations. Are you ready to fight back?"
Right on Ed! Power to the people unions and shake down artists

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2010 03:18 PM (NikBn)

116 and then the DNC will blow meIs that part of the bet?

Posted by: Methos at October 02, 2010 03:12 PM (GzEs1)
the best part......( is Megs McCain on the DNC yet ? Kirsten Powers ?? )

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at October 02, 2010 03:19 PM (dPcmp)

117 I have to show my license in Virginia to vote and I like that.
Posted by: redstatedeb at October 02, 2010 03:14 PM (CluUg)
I had to vote provisional in'08 because I had very recently moved to a different county and when I attempted to show my license to prove who I was the poll workers went out of their way not to look at it.
Fuckers.

Posted by: ErikW at October 02, 2010 03:19 PM (5Q6FR)

118 111 - Jesus. I know more about the US and its history than 98% of Canadians, and I understand all that shit, but like, I can't vote here if I'm not on the list and don't have I.D. to prove it.

Posted by: The Drunken Conservative at October 02, 2010 03:19 PM (z0tvQ)

119 Then the do sneaky shit like delaying mailing our military absentee ballots and refusing the purge their votor rolls of felons and dead people. So anyone can say I am Jane Doe (who died five years ago) and vote in 'her name'. See? It's a cottage industry to the left.

Posted by: redstatedeb at October 02, 2010 03:19 PM (CluUg)

120 Van Jones who was forced from his job as a White House environmental adviser
after Beck made public his comments disparaging Republicans, said
progressives must stand with Democrats to put America back to work.
"They don't need hateful rhetoric. They need real solutions," Jones said."If Sarah Palin had a bright idea, it'd be beginners' luck," comedian Charlie Hill joked from the stage.

Yep, no hateful rhetoric just solutions

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2010 03:19 PM (NikBn)

121 Nope, doesn't answer the actual, logistical question. Like how can cun*s get dead folk and shit on the role?

Posted by: The Drunken Conservative at October 02, 2010 03:15 PM (z0tvQ)
Because we do an unusually piss-poor job of scrubbing the voter roles. And when you factor in that we get called racists for insisting on some integrity in the process, it doesn't get done.

Posted by: Ombudsman at October 02, 2010 03:20 PM (c1oyg)

122 They also enroll ficticous voters so ten seconds before the election they'll turn in 20,000 new names. Votes are cast and the fraud isnt discovered until much later. Too late.
And dont get snippy with me, Cannuck, I'm trying to answer your damn question.

Posted by: redstatedeb at October 02, 2010 03:21 PM (CluUg)

123 It just occurred to me that we have at this moment most of the rank and file idiots in one place...

Why is there never a meteor when you need one?

Posted by: SurferDoc at October 02, 2010 03:22 PM (RKpGM)

124 The event drew a thousands-strong smattering of groups, from those who
wore their union T-shirts and others who carried banners advocating
expanding Medicare for all Americans. While the Beck rally stretched
down the iconic National Mall, Saturday's event seemed smaller along the
reflecting pool and other monuments.

Didn't the media say lie about the turn out at the Beck rally was? This one is "thousands strong" but "seems" smaller. Spin spin spin

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2010 03:22 PM (NikBn)

125 Because we do an unusually piss-poor job of scrubbing the voter roles.
And when you factor in that we get called racists for insisting on some
integrity in the process, it doesn't get done.

Y'know I pray for Israel and you Americans everyday. But your shit's gotta be fucking changed. Like the actual logistics. What the fuck. Gonna make me have to put on sack-cloth and ashes.

Posted by: The Drunken Conservative at October 02, 2010 03:24 PM (z0tvQ)

126 My take-away from this is that Colbert and Stewart has now openly shown themselves to be the Democrat shills they always have been.

Posted by: SurferDoc at October 02, 2010 03:25 PM (RKpGM)

127 Holy shit, Yahoo really is nuts.
I clicked through some of the numbered pics and by the time I got to the Twenties it was Sarah Palin, Tony LaRussa, etc. All from Beck's rally. I assume the big crowds are, too. And all of the pics are under the heading of "One Nation Working Together".

Who do they think they are fooling?

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 02, 2010 03:26 PM (Ly+aE)

128 You can't really tell from which rally the pics of large crowds originate.
Posted by: eman at October 02, 2010 03:17 PM (Zi5DB)
According to the #22 pic in the slide show of today's event, Sarah Palin addressed the crowd.
She's got some balls!

Posted by: ErikW at October 02, 2010 03:26 PM (5Q6FR)

129 Posted by: SurferDoc at October 02, 2010 03:25 PM (RKpGM)
This isn't their rally. that one is later in the month.

Posted by: redstatedeb at October 02, 2010 03:26 PM (CluUg)

130 Y'know I pray for Israel and you Americans everyday.
But your shit's gotta be fucking changed. Like the actual logistics.
What the fuck. Gonna make me have to put on sack-cloth and ashes.

Posted by: The Drunken Conservative at October 02, 2010 03:24 PM (z0tvQ)
You'll get no arguments from us. Look at the Al Franken stolen election in Minnesota in '08. They "found" uncounted votes in the trunks of cars for Pete's sake. Then, all they needed to do is shop around for a sympathetic judge to allow them. It's just a very cynical game.

Posted by: Ombudsman at October 02, 2010 03:29 PM (c1oyg)

131 During the 2008 election Bob Beckel was on Fox talking about how he used to get calls asking for the vote totals for his district and he would respond that it depended upon who was winning.

I near crapped a brick and they all just laughed and laughed. I still can't believe nobody made a fuss about it.

Posted by: jmflynny at October 02, 2010 03:39 PM (C/blo)

132 Ombudsman, I literally feel sick when I think of the that Franken twat and how he stole an actual election.

Cheers and blessings be with you all, my prayers shall ramp up.

Posted by: The Drunken Conservative at October 02, 2010 03:42 PM (z0tvQ)

133 112 Nope,
doesn't answer the actual, logistical question. Like how can cun*s get
dead folk and shit on the role?

This is what motor-voter and the push to increase absentee voting does. It is a lot easier to find a box of a thousand ballots with just enough to tip the result when the people who supposedly cast the ballots don't even have to show at a polling place and show an ID. You have huge lists of registered voters telling you which ones didn't show, and all you do is mark up some convenient ballots for those people and find them in a car trunk or stick it in the van taking the votes to the counting place.

The key is to get lots of uninterested and unmotivated people registered so you have some room to work your ballot magic. Say hello to rock the vote, motor-voter, and other fraud factories. And with dead people, just read the obits and sign them up for absentee.

Posted by: kurtilator at October 02, 2010 05:14 PM (juh4Z)

134 Does success even matter?

Why does anyone pay any attention to Gallup at all? They placed 17th out of 20 pollsters in 2008 while Rasmussen placed #1.

And this season we have seen 16 point swings in the generic from them in a matter of weeks if not days? It is a complete joke. Trusting Gallup is like trusting the New York Times because of the name they built back when they actually reported the news.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at October 02, 2010 05:25 PM (Baf0e)

135 The rats have plenty of gravity aided momentum, all of it downhill.

Posted by: SouthTexas at October 02, 2010 06:41 PM (jRujE)

136

My favorite poll question pre-election:

RCP avg Direction of the Country*

Right Track 33.6% Wrong Track 60.4% -26.8

Storm's coming.

* if it were not for the laughable outlier McClatchy/Marist @ -15 in the mix, it would be much worse.

Posted by: toby928™ at October 02, 2010 07:54 PM (S5YRY)

137 on the 28th Rasmussen had Obama UP by 1

Posted by: archie bunker at October 02, 2010 10:53 PM (0YS61)

138 I drink your tears, john Ryan. I drink them up.

Posted by: toby928™ at October 02, 2010 11:52 PM (S5YRY)

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