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Joe Miller: The NRSC Is Meddling In The Primary
Well, after I yelled at people and defended them and trusted them, huh?
This is my personal Rubicon. Either we have a democracy or we do not. If we do not have a democracy, I won't be forced to choose between one party's anti-democratic leaders and another's. Lisa Murkowski, in all likelihood, lost. That is how we score things in America. We take our cases to the people, who are, supposedly, sovereign. If the NRSC continues attempting to thwart the sovereignty of the people, I'm personally out, and I don't care anymore if Obama's Democrats win. I really don't, and I'm not being ironic. This isn't a parody post: This is real. It's not that I'm so personally invested in Joe Miller. I am, but not that much. He came on my radar late. It's that I'm personally invested in democracy. 90% of the reason I am anti-liberal is that they are anti-democratic. I fled the insanity of liberal tyranny for the conservative movement for this reason, first among all others (and all others aren't very close). If the Republican Party is a royalist party, then I flee them as well, and I confess my error: The more radical elements of the Tea Party are right, third party is the only way possible, even if it means living under socialist rule for a generation. Lisa Murkowski is attempting to run as a representative of a different party. She is not then a Republican. Helping her is thus contrary to the NRSC's mission. She can either attempt to capture the Republican Party's nomination through recounts and such, and swear in a written document to not pursue another party's nomination, or she can stop using the services and influence of the NRSC. She cannot do both. Either she seeks the Republican nomination, in which case she will abide by the will of the Republican voters, or she can seek another party's nomination, in which case she is not entitled to any assistance from a party she has departed and declared to be her opponent. John Cornyn represents a red state, a state whose voters generally want more, not less, conservative politicians in other states. Would his voters in Texas like to know that his primary goal is not the furtherance of the conservative movement but defeating the Jim DeMint conservative faction? Would his supposed constituents in Texas like to know he's really more concerned with maintaining a block of like-minded Senators in Maine and Alaska than furthering the goals of most of the people he supposedly represents?Sorry To Reverse Myself (and Contradict DrewM) So Suddenly. I should say there are a lot of ifs here. I don't know exactly what is going on -- I continue to hope that the NRSC's primary goal here is to see to it that both sides (both) are treated fairly and the person who got the greatest number of votes in the primary is the actual nominee. I continue to hope that the support for Lisa Murkowski from the NRSC will be only that which it is duty-bound to provide and not anything extra just to keep a good number of moderate votes on the GOP side so that John Cornyn doesn't have to expose himself to the wrath of Texas voters by voting against conservative positions himself. I hope that, I really do. Because if there's more than that going on we will get that GOP Civil War after all, and there will no longer be a GOP. We all had a deal, I thought: We will battle in the primaries and whoever wins, wins, and then we will put that strife past us and unite. That means, if the Tea Party loses, it accepts it lost, and rejoins the party after its attempt to ouster an incumbent. That also means if the establishment loses, it accepts it lost, and rejoins the party after its attempt to keep an incumbent. That's how we all keep from going at each other's throats -- we all agree to accept neutral rules of the game and abide by those rules. Now if one side seems to believe they have a special license, a special prerogative, to change the rules in the middle of the game... well, then. We don't have the agreement I believed we did. I hope John Cornyn and his cronies are evaluating whether Lisa Murkowski is worth destroying the party over. Whether this scintilatingly mediocre mind is worth full nuclear war within the party. Whether this desperate-for-validation insecure personality type is worth the loss of the upcoming elections. And if her primary win is important enough to Cornyn to guarantee his own primary defeat. I hope they're considering that, because yes, it is that serious. This is not about a man. It's not about Miller or Murkowski. This is about the principle that the people are sovereign-- are they or aren't they? Word is Murkowski is already attempting to buy the Libertarian nomination:
I have confirmed through multiple sources that Lisa Murkowski has already approached the Alaska Libertarian Party. In exchange for putting her on the Libertarian ticket in November, Murkowski will hand the Libertarians a sizable chunk of her +$1 million war chest. The Libertarian Party Chairman, Scot Kohlhaas, is denying direct talks with Murkowski, and says it probably won’t happen, but I can confirm conversations are still happening regarding this. I am willing to bet that John Cornyn is sending Murkowski help without first getting a promise from her that she will not run third party if she loses.That's it right there: Unless she formally swears, with such clarity that her broken word will make it nearly impossible for her to win an election, that she will seek the Republican nomination and no other, and abide by the determination of Republican voters, she is simply not entitled to any assistance from the NRSC.
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(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 12:29 PM (uFokq)
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To recap on my perspective (not that anyone else cares much):
I freaked out yesterday, Ace chewed out that post (although not me by name), I apologised, Ace chewed out the rest of the readership factionI was formerlyon, I hid under the desk, and now - this morning -Ace is saying "my bad, Zim (back then)and oblig. and progressoverpeace and the rest of the worrywarts were more right than wrong".
I'm going back under the desk again.
I freaked out yesterday, Ace chewed out that post (although not me by name), I apologised, Ace chewed out the rest of the readership factionI was formerlyon, I hid under the desk, and now - this morning -Ace is saying "my bad, Zim (back then)and oblig. and progressoverpeace and the rest of the worrywarts were more right than wrong".
I'm going back under the desk again.
Posted by: Zimriel at August 27, 2010 12:32 PM (9Sbz+)
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Reminds me of my oldest captainslog-ism: When people ask me why I vote for Republicans I tell them because Democrats promise me everything and give me nothing; Republicans promise me nothing and give me nothing.
That, however, really isn't true anymore.
Reminds me of my oldest captainslog-ism: When people ask me why I vote for Republicans I tell them because Democrats promise me everything and give me nothing; Republicans promise me nothing and give me nothing.
That, however, really isn't true anymore.
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 12:32 PM (uFokq)
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I depend on you, Ace. Let's find out their phone number (not on their website - I checked) and call them
Posted by: Janetoo at August 27, 2010 12:32 PM (IgUON)
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There's always moving back to Mom's attic
Posted by: Grisha Perelman at August 27, 2010 12:33 PM (9Sbz+)
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It would still be much easier for the tea party people to take over the Republican party and throw these scumbags out than to compete with it and the Dem party at the same time.
But these fucks are starting to look like Torries.
But these fucks are starting to look like Torries.
Posted by: Mr Pink at August 27, 2010 12:33 PM (8cEub)
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The problem here is that the NRSC should be done with this primary race.
There is nothing that a campaign committee should be doing at this point. It's a recount. There is no campaigning left to do.
The very image of lawyers wading into this mess goes against, yes Ace, the concept of democracy but also the ugliness that got Democrats a number of ill-gotten seats.
Her reaching for the other parties should just reinforce that basic idea.
There is nothing that a campaign committee should be doing at this point. It's a recount. There is no campaigning left to do.
The very image of lawyers wading into this mess goes against, yes Ace, the concept of democracy but also the ugliness that got Democrats a number of ill-gotten seats.
Her reaching for the other parties should just reinforce that basic idea.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2010 12:33 PM (T0NGe)
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Yer killin' me, Ace.
Posted by: Laura Castellano at August 27, 2010 12:35 PM (fuw6p)
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Okay, venting / sockpuppeting over.
What's a good number to call to tell the NRSC to butt out? Can some more politically-connected morons put us some fuckin' knowledge?
What's a good number to call to tell the NRSC to butt out? Can some more politically-connected morons put us some fuckin' knowledge?
Posted by: Zimriel at August 27, 2010 12:35 PM (9Sbz+)
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Ace is gaining new insights into what drives the Teaparty movement.
Posted by: maddogg at August 27, 2010 12:35 PM (OlN4e)
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I think the NRSC has to really think twice about what is going to happen here. If the NRSC turns this into another Crist/Rubio cross action civil war, they will have done it again, and poured ice water on their own base, and perhaps stopped the wave that would have swept them into office.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at August 27, 2010 12:36 PM (0q2P7)
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Aw, hell, and here you finally had me convinced (after years of reading) that I really needed to vote Republican.
Maybe, coming from that perspective, I can offer a different opinion: There's going to have to be a LOT of purging in the GOP establishment. Remember, these guys passed NCLB and Part D, to say nothing of a billion sties worth of pork.
But that's probably the better bet than trying to build up (say) the Libertarian party, which apparently fields socialist candidates.
Maybe, coming from that perspective, I can offer a different opinion: There's going to have to be a LOT of purging in the GOP establishment. Remember, these guys passed NCLB and Part D, to say nothing of a billion sties worth of pork.
But that's probably the better bet than trying to build up (say) the Libertarian party, which apparently fields socialist candidates.
Posted by: moviegique at August 27, 2010 12:36 PM (ey5wt)
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since she hasn't actually done anything yet, maybe we should wait and see just what actually happens ?
Posted by: Jeff at August 27, 2010 12:36 PM (A3tpD)
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They learned nothing from the Crist fiasco? Really?
They learned nothing from their House counterpart's fiasco with Dodo Scooz in NY-23? Really?
They learned nothing from the Crist fiasco? Really?
They learned nothing from their House counterpart's fiasco with Dodo Scooz in NY-23? Really?
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 12:37 PM (uFokq)
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Does this mean I can put the Alcoa hat back on my head?
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 12:37 PM (AZGON)
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They should air drop in Scuzzafafa to be Merkowskis PR agent.
Posted by: Mr Pink at August 27, 2010 12:37 PM (8cEub)
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Learning is not really their strong suit, now is it?
Posted by: Laura Castellano at August 27, 2010 12:37 PM (fuw6p)
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It's ok Ace.
I know it seemed conspiratorial when i brought it up yesterday, but like i said then, with the nrsc and republican track record in the past 2 years, nothing surpises me or is above suspicion
there are just too many people who are more interested in themselves and maintaining power, and unfortunately, some of those people are republicans.
I honestly believe that Murkowski is going to win. Papa Murkowski is still powerful in alaska. The Republican party is the machine party, finding votes won't be an issue.
I say she wins by a hundred or so, and irreprable damage is done to the base of the party and its "official" groups.
I've already decided to never again donate to official GOP groups and instead to the individual candidates, i suggest you all do the same
I know it seemed conspiratorial when i brought it up yesterday, but like i said then, with the nrsc and republican track record in the past 2 years, nothing surpises me or is above suspicion
there are just too many people who are more interested in themselves and maintaining power, and unfortunately, some of those people are republicans.
I honestly believe that Murkowski is going to win. Papa Murkowski is still powerful in alaska. The Republican party is the machine party, finding votes won't be an issue.
I say she wins by a hundred or so, and irreprable damage is done to the base of the party and its "official" groups.
I've already decided to never again donate to official GOP groups and instead to the individual candidates, i suggest you all do the same
Posted by: Ben at August 27, 2010 12:37 PM (wuv1c)
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John Cornyn thinks he is safe. He isn't up for re-election until 2012 (or '14, I can't remember). His vote FOR Tim "the Tax Cheat" Geithner is going to come back and haunt him. I sent him so many letters I'm probably on a first name basis with him, if he even read them. If he keeps meddling in primaries, he will really regret I know his address when my protest letters to his re-election have to be delivered by Mac truck.
Posted by: Sue at August 27, 2010 12:38 PM (RybmS)
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If the Republican Party is a royalist party, then I flee them as well, and I confess my error: The more radical elements of the Tea Party are right, third party is the only way possible, even if it means living under socialist rule for a generation.
Sounds easier and more sensible to stay in and, in addition to crushing the Dems, purge/reform the GOP.
If the Republican Party is a royalist party, then I flee them as well, and I confess my error: The more radical elements of the Tea Party are right, third party is the only way possible, even if it means living under socialist rule for a generation.
Sounds easier and more sensible to stay in and, in addition to crushing the Dems, purge/reform the GOP.
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at August 27, 2010 12:38 PM (1VBdW)
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It would still be much easier for the tea party people to take over the Republican party and throw these scumbags out
Not if the Republican Aristocracy won't play by their own rules. Level field, that is what we ask.
It would still be much easier for the tea party people to take over the Republican party and throw these scumbags out
Not if the Republican Aristocracy won't play by their own rules. Level field, that is what we ask.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at August 27, 2010 12:39 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 12:39 PM (AZGON)
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Those looking for the phone number, saw this at Free Republic: 202-675-6000.
Don't know if it means anything or not, but that thread makes it sound like the calls are making at dent, at least with the folks answering the phone.
Don't know if it means anything or not, but that thread makes it sound like the calls are making at dent, at least with the folks answering the phone.
Posted by: Bomber at August 27, 2010 12:39 PM (qzoN5)
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Its starting to dawn on more people that (R) and (D) are to anti-democracy as coke and pepsi are to cola. Everything is controlled by the same damn insiders club of ivy league flunkies( CFRers and bankers) with the MFM as their propaganda wing. This isn't a new phenomenon either....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_(book)Revolution is the only cure. The "Tea Party" is currently being co-opted. The only type of party thats going to solve anything is a noose party.But this failure of the system HAS to happen so people will finally realized the system can not be fixed from the inside.
Posted by: A Wyatt Man at August 27, 2010 12:39 PM (JSetw)
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I've already decided to never again donate to official GOP groups and instead to the individual candidates, i suggest you all do the same
Already there. Thats exactly what the Teaparty advocates.
Already there. Thats exactly what the Teaparty advocates.
Posted by: maddogg at August 27, 2010 12:39 PM (OlN4e)
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I'm speechless. Really... I just want to cry. Or get drunk. Dammit, my blood pressure can't take much more.
Posted by: jewells at August 27, 2010 12:39 PM (l/N7H)
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"Lisa Murkowski, in all likelihood, lost. That is how we score things in America."
Really? "in all likelihood" is the American standard of proof? That explains a lot.
"Lisa Murkowski, in all likelihood, lost. That is how we score things in America."
Really? "in all likelihood" is the American standard of proof? That explains a lot.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 27, 2010 12:40 PM (h6kb0)
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So, this is some kind of test, right - we're supposed to decide which Ace we like best ....
Posted by: Gerry at August 27, 2010 12:40 PM (Dfknz)
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Do you want to see a very likely glimpse of a future Republican Party should matters continue as they have been? Look at the Conservative Party in the UK. Not so pretty.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 12:40 PM (AZGON)
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. hell, i'm a little afraid to comment.
Posted by: willow at August 27, 2010 12:42 PM (UIwus)
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Sad to say, it sounds like the pudding has left the building...
Posted by: Tom Mathers at August 27, 2010 12:42 PM (UyEtI)
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ace, it's good to know you're seeing what we're seeing. Sorry for all the harshness yesterday.
Posted by: Methos at August 27, 2010 12:42 PM (Pc4MD)
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I fled the insanity of liberal tyranny for the conservative movement for this reason, first among all others (and all others aren't very close).
*gasp*...you used to be one of...*shudder*...them??
Do what you need to do. Raise fucking hell..
...start slitting throats for fuck's sake
Ihave told them both on the phone and in emailsto go fuck themselves.
I didn't imply..I didn't beat around the bush..I told them to go fuck themselves
I think you should do the same
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Do what you need to do. Raise fucking hell..
...start slitting throats for fuck's sake
Ihave told them both on the phone and in emailsto go fuck themselves.
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Posted by: beedubya at August 27, 2010 12:42 PM (AnTyA)
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Because I won't get banned for saying this kind of thing here - Fucking told you so!
That said, I still advocate trying to internally take over the GOP rather than a true third party. But unless/until a takeover is completed always always always be suspicious of the national committees.
That said, I still advocate trying to internally take over the GOP rather than a true third party. But unless/until a takeover is completed always always always be suspicious of the national committees.
Posted by: Ryan Frank at August 27, 2010 12:42 PM (yJPTY)
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"Would his voters in Texas like to know that his primary goal is not the furtherance of the conservative movement..."
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We know this already, but some of the locals keep voting for him.
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All I can do is apologize.
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We know this already, but some of the locals keep voting for him.
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All I can do is apologize.
Posted by: dogfish at August 27, 2010 12:42 PM (UrYD2)
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Bi-polar disorder is a bitch
Posted by: ingenus at August 27, 2010 12:43 PM (+sBB4)
Posted by: Stan at August 27, 2010 12:43 PM (VQ7Ec)
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Yes, this is infuriating. Yes, this is a reason to gut Republican institutions like filleting a fish. But no, this is not a reason to sit anything out or fail to pull the lever for the R in November. Even if Murkowski pulls a complete Al Franken and gets the Republican nomination through clumsy and transparent fraud, we should still hope that she gets elected.
In order to reform the political process, you must be inside the political process. That means we all get to put on our waders and step into the cesspool, not stay at home sucking our thumbs. We need to knock the Statists down, first, and flush the Selfists out. If we hang back, the Statists and the Selfists will carve us up like Thanksgiving turkey.
In order to reform the political process, you must be inside the political process. That means we all get to put on our waders and step into the cesspool, not stay at home sucking our thumbs. We need to knock the Statists down, first, and flush the Selfists out. If we hang back, the Statists and the Selfists will carve us up like Thanksgiving turkey.
Posted by: cthulhu at August 27, 2010 12:44 PM (/0IOT)
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ok here. ace said:
It's that I'm personally invested in democracy. 90% of the reason I am anti-liberal is that they are anti-democratic. I fled the insanity of liberal tyranny for the conservative movement for this reason, first among all others (and all others aren't very close).
well yes
If the Republican Party is a royalist party, then I flee them as well, and I confess my error: The more radical elements of the Tea Party are right, third party is the only way possible, even if it means living under socialist rule for a generation.
YIKES noooooo
It's that I'm personally invested in democracy. 90% of the reason I am anti-liberal is that they are anti-democratic. I fled the insanity of liberal tyranny for the conservative movement for this reason, first among all others (and all others aren't very close).
well yes
If the Republican Party is a royalist party, then I flee them as well, and I confess my error: The more radical elements of the Tea Party are right, third party is the only way possible, even if it means living under socialist rule for a generation.
YIKES noooooo
Posted by: willow at August 27, 2010 12:44 PM (UIwus)
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One problem here is that no one -- not ace, not Allahpundit (who is a shit-stirrer par excellence), not even Joe Miller -- has any facts on which to base their opinions.
They, and we, have no idea what the NRSC rep. is doing with or saying to Murkowski.
Everything I've read on this, here and elsewhere, has been based on sources and supposition.
Close elections are what they are, and what we think of Miller and/or Sarah Palin's awesome awesomeness doesn't matter if the people decide differently.
Miller has legal recourse if there's fraud. Murkowski has the right to run as a third-party (or write-in) candidate if she thinks her election is so freekin' important.
All y'all who are beating the "we wuz robbed" drums sound a little too much like Democrat conspiracy theorists right now.
They, and we, have no idea what the NRSC rep. is doing with or saying to Murkowski.
Everything I've read on this, here and elsewhere, has been based on sources and supposition.
Close elections are what they are, and what we think of Miller and/or Sarah Palin's awesome awesomeness doesn't matter if the people decide differently.
Miller has legal recourse if there's fraud. Murkowski has the right to run as a third-party (or write-in) candidate if she thinks her election is so freekin' important.
All y'all who are beating the "we wuz robbed" drums sound a little too much like Democrat conspiracy theorists right now.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 27, 2010 12:44 PM (Ulu3i)
Posted by: Gran at August 27, 2010 12:44 PM (xmjMj)
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I'm looking outside. I don't see any helicopters, but I am seeing a fleet of Chevy Volts. Should I worry?
Posted by: ingenus at August 27, 2010 12:44 PM (+sBB4)
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We need to hold out until January when Michael Steele gets the boot. Throw Haley Barbour into the leadership role and have him unleash Hell on these idiots. Make the GOP a rock-solid conservative brand again. We're not the DNC. We're not supposed to be meddling like this, dammit!
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 27, 2010 12:45 PM (kxQZx)
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Yeah, if this happens again i don't know what to do.
I thought the whole point of Miller and other candidates like him was to wrestle control away from these people, but if they won't even let us do that through fair elections, then really what choice is there?
Miller needs to get on TV, he needs to get on O Reilly, Beck, even CNN shows and start screaming that this election is about to be stolen and the the Official GOP group is going to help.
The TEA Party Express needs to send up a team of lawyers to counter whatever the NRSC is going to do.
I'm glad the HQ is finally warming up the the idea that the NRSC isn't some party resource just fulfilling its duties, but really an entity that has a unstated goal, which appears to be backing moderates and polite company conservatives.
Thank god the RGA is actually run by a right winger. You can always count on the governors.
I thought the whole point of Miller and other candidates like him was to wrestle control away from these people, but if they won't even let us do that through fair elections, then really what choice is there?
Miller needs to get on TV, he needs to get on O Reilly, Beck, even CNN shows and start screaming that this election is about to be stolen and the the Official GOP group is going to help.
The TEA Party Express needs to send up a team of lawyers to counter whatever the NRSC is going to do.
I'm glad the HQ is finally warming up the the idea that the NRSC isn't some party resource just fulfilling its duties, but really an entity that has a unstated goal, which appears to be backing moderates and polite company conservatives.
Thank god the RGA is actually run by a right winger. You can always count on the governors.
Posted by: Ben at August 27, 2010 12:45 PM (wuv1c)
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third party! shit. this isn not real right?
Posted by: willow at August 27, 2010 12:45 PM (UIwus)
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My fear is that even if a conservative 3rd party thrives and crushes the old country-club-socialism-light Republicans. What happens next? Yep those dildos that ruined the Republican party will come ruin yours next.
Posted by: John Galt at August 27, 2010 12:45 PM (F/4zf)
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If the NRSC continues attempting to thwart the sovereignty of the
people, I'm personally out, and I don't care anymore if Obama's
Democrats win. I really don't, and I'm not being ironic.
Welcome to the party, pal.
Next step: substitute constitutional republic for democracy. Democracy untethered is how we got here. When 50%+1 vote can do what it wants, a 50%+1 vote can be manufactured by insiders.
people, I'm personally out, and I don't care anymore if Obama's
Democrats win. I really don't, and I'm not being ironic.
Welcome to the party, pal.
Next step: substitute constitutional republic for democracy. Democracy untethered is how we got here. When 50%+1 vote can do what it wants, a 50%+1 vote can be manufactured by insiders.
Posted by: Ken at August 27, 2010 12:46 PM (fFh95)
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Sounds easier and more sensible to stay in and, in addition to crushing the Dems, purge/reform the GOP.
The issue is that, that is what this primary is supposed to be. In fact that is what primaries are for. So if the GOP chooses to support incumbency over primary results, they in effect declare that the whole idea that the party is "ours" and we can remake it is false, and the party is in fact theirs and they will run whom in the aristocracy is next in line for the crown.
It is a dangerous position for them. And I hope that the whole lawyer thing is just a token for the sake of NRSC advice.
The issue is that, that is what this primary is supposed to be. In fact that is what primaries are for. So if the GOP chooses to support incumbency over primary results, they in effect declare that the whole idea that the party is "ours" and we can remake it is false, and the party is in fact theirs and they will run whom in the aristocracy is next in line for the crown.
It is a dangerous position for them. And I hope that the whole lawyer thing is just a token for the sake of NRSC advice.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at August 27, 2010 12:46 PM (0q2P7)
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Totally agree, ACE. These people need to continually be put on notice that the "same ole shit" is not flying anymore.
I've not contributed to the NRSC for some time. I won't be anytime soon either.
This is on the same anti-American level as the Dem's dirty tricks and needs to stop.
I've not contributed to the NRSC for some time. I won't be anytime soon either.
This is on the same anti-American level as the Dem's dirty tricks and needs to stop.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 27, 2010 12:46 PM (RkRxq)
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As I have said in previous threads...winning the house and senate would be fucking awesome...
...but goddammit....it is not going to mean shit in the short term
DO NOT forget to vote in the downballot elections
Fuck Washington..and that includes the GOP
The only real chance we have of undoing much of the fucking damage is through the states and lawsuits against the Fed
...but goddammit....it is not going to mean shit in the short term
DO NOT forget to vote in the downballot elections
Fuck Washington..and that includes the GOP
The only real chance we have of undoing much of the fucking damage is through the states and lawsuits against the Fed
Posted by: beedubya at August 27, 2010 12:46 PM (AnTyA)
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Ace, I hear what you're saying... then you go and mention 3rd party junk.
The problems are:
1) The 17th amendment
2) NAFTA
3) The Fed
Those are the three structural issues that are causing the U.S. government to behave like a democracy - which, despite your espousing it, is not a good thing - instead of a constitutional republic.
But when people really started talking structure on your blog, you said to the effect: Yeah, well that's in a perfect world. I'm sick of you guys talking about that abstract shit.
Well guess what. 3rd party won't help.
The problem is structural and the only fixes that will work - if you care about liberty - are structural.
You can't escape from inside the event horizon of black hole through a third party. You have to pull a Captain Kirk and change the underlying rules.
The problems are:
1) The 17th amendment
2) NAFTA
3) The Fed
Those are the three structural issues that are causing the U.S. government to behave like a democracy - which, despite your espousing it, is not a good thing - instead of a constitutional republic.
But when people really started talking structure on your blog, you said to the effect: Yeah, well that's in a perfect world. I'm sick of you guys talking about that abstract shit.
Well guess what. 3rd party won't help.
The problem is structural and the only fixes that will work - if you care about liberty - are structural.
You can't escape from inside the event horizon of black hole through a third party. You have to pull a Captain Kirk and change the underlying rules.
Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at August 27, 2010 12:47 PM (5PTPu)
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Well, I sent an email, and will make the phone call during my lunch hour. Fuckers.
Posted by: jewells at August 27, 2010 12:47 PM (l/N7H)
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You can twitter the NRSC too. I just let them know what they're doing is BS
Posted by: taylork at August 27, 2010 12:47 PM (0Hn5w)
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 12:47 PM (uFokq)
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Totally agree, ACE. These people need to continually be put on notice
that the "same ole shit" is not flying anymore.
Vote them out. All of them. The RINOs that are destroying the GOP need to go, too.
that the "same ole shit" is not flying anymore.
Vote them out. All of them. The RINOs that are destroying the GOP need to go, too.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 27, 2010 12:47 PM (kxQZx)
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In other good news Steven Strasburg's career is already over and McNabb is injured.
Posted by: Mr Pink at August 27, 2010 12:47 PM (8cEub)
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In order to reform the political process, you must be inside the political process.
This is so true. So many Internet Warriors complain about the GOP, but they aren't the ones who go out to be local committeemen.
I went to the Iowa caucus and after they have the big vote, they select delegates to local conventions, etc. They have to beg people to do it. That's how the Paulestinians infiltrate so easily.
Want to take back the GOP? It's easy enough to do, especially at the local level, but it takes time. If you think you're going to start by knocking off Senators, it doesn't work that way. You get elected as mayor of a small town, then run for governor, then get on the ticket for vice president. But it starts in all the little Wasillas around the country.
This is so true. So many Internet Warriors complain about the GOP, but they aren't the ones who go out to be local committeemen.
I went to the Iowa caucus and after they have the big vote, they select delegates to local conventions, etc. They have to beg people to do it. That's how the Paulestinians infiltrate so easily.
Want to take back the GOP? It's easy enough to do, especially at the local level, but it takes time. If you think you're going to start by knocking off Senators, it doesn't work that way. You get elected as mayor of a small town, then run for governor, then get on the ticket for vice president. But it starts in all the little Wasillas around the country.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2010 12:48 PM (T0NGe)
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Calm down folks. President Pro Tem Palin has a few connections in Alaska. All is well.
Posted by: ingenus at August 27, 2010 12:48 PM (+sBB4)
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Ace,
Stop reading HotAir for a couple of days, at least on this subject.
There is no new data to indicate that the NRSC is planning to thwart the will of the people.
First, there are tons of uncounted ballots and Miller's margin/lead is small. Murkowski could easily be the legitimate winner.
Second, the presence of a lawyer from an organization to which Murkowski - not Miller - belongs (seeing as how she's a sitting senator), does not seem that out of line to me.
Third, we really don't have new data to suggest that the reason the lawyer is up there is anything other than what you suggested yesterday: hand-holding and persuasion (to Murkowski that she accept the will of the people and not challenge the vote [when it's completed] or run third-party).
Let's see how this plays out.
How about a fun Michelle fashion thread to cheer you up?! Too soon?
Stop reading HotAir for a couple of days, at least on this subject.
There is no new data to indicate that the NRSC is planning to thwart the will of the people.
First, there are tons of uncounted ballots and Miller's margin/lead is small. Murkowski could easily be the legitimate winner.
Second, the presence of a lawyer from an organization to which Murkowski - not Miller - belongs (seeing as how she's a sitting senator), does not seem that out of line to me.
Third, we really don't have new data to suggest that the reason the lawyer is up there is anything other than what you suggested yesterday: hand-holding and persuasion (to Murkowski that she accept the will of the people and not challenge the vote [when it's completed] or run third-party).
Let's see how this plays out.
How about a fun Michelle fashion thread to cheer you up?! Too soon?
Posted by: Y-not at August 27, 2010 12:48 PM (4/eCJ)
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Welcome to libertarianism. We accept walk-ins.
Posted by: Evil Red Scandi at August 27, 2010 12:49 PM (khet/)
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They, and we, have no idea what the NRSC rep. is doing with or saying to Murkowski.
Here's what we do know Mcscribbler.
She is down 1,600 votes. She would have to win some 55 to 60 percent of the remaining votes.
We know for a fact that she has reached out to the Libertarian party as a back up.
That last fact alone should disqualify her from NRSC help. How can they knowingly help her when her actions show she will jump parties if she loses?
The NRSC's job is to elect republicans, her running as an independent could prevent that. They should withdraw support from her, any support no matter how minor unless she signs a legal pledge not to bolt to a third party if she loses.
At least with Crist they had an excuse. They had no idea he would jump parties when they endorsed him. It was only when it was clear he would lose they pulled their support. They have no excuses this time. They know she is considering jumping parties.
Here's what we do know Mcscribbler.
She is down 1,600 votes. She would have to win some 55 to 60 percent of the remaining votes.
We know for a fact that she has reached out to the Libertarian party as a back up.
That last fact alone should disqualify her from NRSC help. How can they knowingly help her when her actions show she will jump parties if she loses?
The NRSC's job is to elect republicans, her running as an independent could prevent that. They should withdraw support from her, any support no matter how minor unless she signs a legal pledge not to bolt to a third party if she loses.
At least with Crist they had an excuse. They had no idea he would jump parties when they endorsed him. It was only when it was clear he would lose they pulled their support. They have no excuses this time. They know she is considering jumping parties.
Posted by: Ben at August 27, 2010 12:49 PM (wuv1c)
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Wow, a moment of sanity, I hope it lasts. I do find it a bit disingenuous that this is the issue that convinces you of the perfidy and moral corruption of the Republican party, versus their many other sins, not the least being dragging us into wars of choice that were presented as necessity.
You should try joining a political party that bases it's policies on clear principles = the Libertarian party. The only problem is that they won't continue to throw people in jail for doing things that don't hurt others and they won't kowtow to the religious rigth (a real plus in my book). If you can live with having a govt that protects freedom - PERIOD - then the LP is for you. If you want a party to shove their values down you throat - well you are already in one.
I don't need govt to tell me how to live. I need it to protect me from others - that's it. I think that's what it means to be free.
You should try joining a political party that bases it's policies on clear principles = the Libertarian party. The only problem is that they won't continue to throw people in jail for doing things that don't hurt others and they won't kowtow to the religious rigth (a real plus in my book). If you can live with having a govt that protects freedom - PERIOD - then the LP is for you. If you want a party to shove their values down you throat - well you are already in one.
I don't need govt to tell me how to live. I need it to protect me from others - that's it. I think that's what it means to be free.
Posted by: glennd1 at August 27, 2010 12:49 PM (k5gEt)
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There are still a lot of fucking RINOS to purge. The Teaparty wants to purge them, so they don't like the Teaparty. It makes sense, Miller is the Teaparty candidate, Murkowski is the RINO candidate, so the RINO's want her to win. The Teaparty is a direct threat to RINO's. We want them expunged, and they know it. They will lose, in the end. I guarantee it. Actually, Ace's latest meltdown will pass as that reality sets in.
Posted by: maddogg at August 27, 2010 12:49 PM (OlN4e)
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Let's just all say a prayer and just hope that Miller wins and Lisa acts like an adult and retires with dignity.
Posted by: Dan at August 27, 2010 12:49 PM (1jzSs)
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@59
ps: Get off the Atkins diet. Move to the South Beach diet or the Mayo Clinic's diet. Seriously. You're in ketosis.
ps: Get off the Atkins diet. Move to the South Beach diet or the Mayo Clinic's diet. Seriously. You're in ketosis.
Posted by: Y-not at August 27, 2010 12:49 PM (4/eCJ)
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I'm saving my rage for if she wins.
Posted by: toby928 at August 27, 2010 12:49 PM (S5YRY)
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I thought the whole point of Miller and other candidates like him was to
wrestle control away from these people, but if they won't even let us
do that through fair elections, then really what choice is there?
- soap box
- ballot box
- jury box
- ammo box
Two down, two to go?
wrestle control away from these people, but if they won't even let us
do that through fair elections, then really what choice is there?
- soap box
- ballot box
- jury box
- ammo box
Two down, two to go?
Posted by: Bomber at August 27, 2010 12:50 PM (qzoN5)
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"...even if it means living under socialist rule for a generation."
I don't know how many times I've heard you argue against this kind of reasoning Ace... to the point where I feared the safety of your keyboard. If they are truly a royalist party, then in your view it'd be like a Coke or Pepsi party. I think you need a few more reasons to support the GOP.
I only support them because of their basic principles, as I'm quite an economically focused (and individual rights focused) libertarian. It's the message, not the typically retarded messengers.
I don't know how many times I've heard you argue against this kind of reasoning Ace... to the point where I feared the safety of your keyboard. If they are truly a royalist party, then in your view it'd be like a Coke or Pepsi party. I think you need a few more reasons to support the GOP.
I only support them because of their basic principles, as I'm quite an economically focused (and individual rights focused) libertarian. It's the message, not the typically retarded messengers.
Posted by: Stan at August 27, 2010 12:50 PM (VQ7Ec)
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One problem here is that no one -- not ace, not Allahpundit (who is a shit-stirrer par excellence), not even Joe Miller -- has any facts on which to base their opinions.
Bingo. They sent one lawyer up at her request. That's it. And they didn't sound happy about it.
Bingo. They sent one lawyer up at her request. That's it. And they didn't sound happy about it.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2010 12:50 PM (T0NGe)
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Lisa Murkowski is attempting to run as a representative of a different party. She is not then a Republican. Helping her is thus contrary to the NRSC's mission. She can either attempt to capture the Republican Party's nomination through recounts and such, and swear in a written document to not pursue another party's nomination, or she can stop using the services and influence of the NRSC.
Bingo.
John Cornyn represents a red state, a state whose voters generally want more, not less, conservative politicians in other states.
Would his voters in Texas like to know that his primary goal is not the furtherance of the conservative movement but defeating the Jim DeMint conservative faction? Would his supposed constituents in Texas like to know he's really more concerned with maintaining a block of like-minded Senators in Maine and Alaska than furthering the goals of most of the people he supposedly represents?
John Cornyn is on very thin ice.
Bingo.
John Cornyn represents a red state, a state whose voters generally want more, not less, conservative politicians in other states.
Would his voters in Texas like to know that his primary goal is not the furtherance of the conservative movement but defeating the Jim DeMint conservative faction? Would his supposed constituents in Texas like to know he's really more concerned with maintaining a block of like-minded Senators in Maine and Alaska than furthering the goals of most of the people he supposedly represents?
John Cornyn is on very thin ice.
Posted by: Vashta.Nerada at August 27, 2010 12:50 PM (naHyH)
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There is no new data to indicate that the NRSC is planning to thwart the will of the people.
Again, that is not it. It is known that she is talking to the Libertarian party as a potential back up. This would hurt republican chances of winning in novermber. The NRSC's job is to get republicans elected to the Sentate.
They should withdraw any help, even if it is just paying for pens, until she signs a legal document stating she won't bolt the party if she loses.
If their stated goal is to help republicans win, why would they help her knowing that if she loses that she is setting up a backup plan to run as a libertarian which the libertarians concede is going on.
Again, that is not it. It is known that she is talking to the Libertarian party as a potential back up. This would hurt republican chances of winning in novermber. The NRSC's job is to get republicans elected to the Sentate.
They should withdraw any help, even if it is just paying for pens, until she signs a legal document stating she won't bolt the party if she loses.
If their stated goal is to help republicans win, why would they help her knowing that if she loses that she is setting up a backup plan to run as a libertarian which the libertarians concede is going on.
Posted by: Ben at August 27, 2010 12:51 PM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Gaff at August 27, 2010 12:51 PM (PRm1Y)
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Ace, never go FULL RETARD.
Posted by: Ms Choksondik at August 27, 2010 12:51 PM (uvFJG)
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I don't need govt to tell me how to live. I need it to protect me from others - that's it.
word.
word.
Posted by: the preborn at August 27, 2010 12:51 PM (S5YRY)
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Lisa Murkowski, in all likelihood, lost. That is how we score things in America. We take our cases to the people, who are, supposedly, sovereign.
Ruling Class vs. Country Class.
We work under the principle of merit; but at a certain strata, that stops mattering, and They start working under the principle of "fuck you, peasants, we'll do whateverthefuck we want to." It's nearly as true for the Republicans as it is for the Democrats. They all hold us in the highest contempt, like retarded children who are never satisfied with the gilded cages they build for us.
We're not soveriegn, Ace. But there are other ways around the Royalism besides calling up Guy Fawkes. Specifically, just ignore and stop donating to the national committees.
Ruling Class vs. Country Class.
We work under the principle of merit; but at a certain strata, that stops mattering, and They start working under the principle of "fuck you, peasants, we'll do whateverthefuck we want to." It's nearly as true for the Republicans as it is for the Democrats. They all hold us in the highest contempt, like retarded children who are never satisfied with the gilded cages they build for us.
We're not soveriegn, Ace. But there are other ways around the Royalism besides calling up Guy Fawkes. Specifically, just ignore and stop donating to the national committees.
Posted by: Truman North at August 27, 2010 12:53 PM (3h3kv)
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Sean Cairncross
c/o National Republican Senatorial Committee
425 2nd St NE
Washington DC, 20002.
If you have any questions please call Sean Cairncross or email him at scairncross@nrsc.org
c/o National Republican Senatorial Committee
425 2nd St NE
Washington DC, 20002.
If you have any questions please call Sean Cairncross or email him at scairncross@nrsc.org
Posted by: Joy to the Whirled at August 27, 2010 12:53 PM (EZCyM)
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I agree with Ace, today. Who was posting as Ace yesterday?
Posted by: Les Grossman at August 27, 2010 12:53 PM (K/USr)
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Excellent post by Ace. I agree with most.
But no third party. This is not a 1 or 2 year movement. This is a war that is probably will take decades to return our government, and the republican party, to its constitutional roots.
If we lose in Alaska due to NRSC shenigans, then agreed. We take out Coryn in the TX primary. And other RINOS when the opportunity occurs. We are going to have this fight in 2010, 2012, 2014, etc. This is a marathon, not a sprint. We will lose a few battles (McCain-AZ, Kirk-IL) before we win the war.
If you are really pissed about this situtation, stop whining and get active. Like donating to Miller.
But no third party. This is not a 1 or 2 year movement. This is a war that is probably will take decades to return our government, and the republican party, to its constitutional roots.
If we lose in Alaska due to NRSC shenigans, then agreed. We take out Coryn in the TX primary. And other RINOS when the opportunity occurs. We are going to have this fight in 2010, 2012, 2014, etc. This is a marathon, not a sprint. We will lose a few battles (McCain-AZ, Kirk-IL) before we win the war.
If you are really pissed about this situtation, stop whining and get active. Like donating to Miller.
Posted by: Scoob at August 27, 2010 12:53 PM (T7+JL)
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willow relax, there isn't any third party this year. I think ace means after this election cycle. Though if anyone in Alaska, was inclined to write in Miller rather than support the cheater, I think we could stand to be more understanding of that position than we sometimes are.
Posted by: Methos at August 27, 2010 12:54 PM (Pc4MD)
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@55, perzackly. Incumbents delenda est.
Posted by: Ken at August 27, 2010 12:54 PM (fFh95)
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And while we're on the subject of selfish political expediency...
Scott Brown won't associate with the Tea Party in any way whatsoever; he wants nothing to do with Sarah Palin...
but he'll ride bikes with John Kerry and have his photo taken with Barney Frank. And he'll even vote for a Frank-Dodd bill. That is bullshit and that is unacceptable.
If that makes me a purist I don't give a shit. I'm sick of being treated like a pariah and yet taken for granted. Will I vote for Scott Brown again in 2012? Probably. Will I help his campaign or put his sticker on my car? NO.
And while we're on the subject of selfish political expediency...
Scott Brown won't associate with the Tea Party in any way whatsoever; he wants nothing to do with Sarah Palin...
but he'll ride bikes with John Kerry and have his photo taken with Barney Frank. And he'll even vote for a Frank-Dodd bill. That is bullshit and that is unacceptable.
If that makes me a purist I don't give a shit. I'm sick of being treated like a pariah and yet taken for granted. Will I vote for Scott Brown again in 2012? Probably. Will I help his campaign or put his sticker on my car? NO.
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 12:54 PM (uFokq)
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The only Third Party I want to be a member of is one whose other two members ar Hannah Giles and Carmen Elektra.
Posted by: Mr Pink at August 27, 2010 12:54 PM (8cEub)
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It is not true that we are completely in the dark and have no clue about what the NRSC may be doing. We do know Murky has not pledged to forego the third party route. Regarding likely NRSC behavior, we have past actions to guide us:
They learned nothing from the Crist fiasco? Really?They learned nothing from their House
counterpart's fiasco with Dodo Scooz in NY-23? Really?
Of course much speculation abounds. That sort of happens on blogs. No one has alleged foul play yet, merely that the NRSC seems more interested in protecting incumbents than Republican voter interests.
The real shame in all of this is encapsulated by the name of a book (by a man who usually makes my skin crawl): If it's not close, they can't cheat. After all the damage Democrats and willing tools like Murkowski have done, Alaskan voters in the R primary still didn't deliver a clear victory to one side or the other. That ought to distress us more.
They learned nothing from the Crist fiasco? Really?They learned nothing from their House
counterpart's fiasco with Dodo Scooz in NY-23? Really?
Of course much speculation abounds. That sort of happens on blogs. No one has alleged foul play yet, merely that the NRSC seems more interested in protecting incumbents than Republican voter interests.
The real shame in all of this is encapsulated by the name of a book (by a man who usually makes my skin crawl): If it's not close, they can't cheat. After all the damage Democrats and willing tools like Murkowski have done, Alaskan voters in the R primary still didn't deliver a clear victory to one side or the other. That ought to distress us more.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 12:54 PM (AZGON)
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Ace.
I agree with your sentiment, but is it easier to rebuild a corrupt party from the ground up, or knock the whole thing down and start fresh?
Which task is more surmountable?
Personally, I'm 50-50 on the question.
Yes, the Republican party has lots of apparatus in place, but it also sports a lot of bridges burned in it's wake. (broken promises, double dealing and a really bad reputation)
Who would have thought that the tea party would grow to be such a force in so little time. Perhaps the (counter) revolution has already begun.
I'm truly beginning to think that we are witnessing the last gasps of all the old (political) paradigms.
Strange, but I keep having this flashback to the mid 90s. Remember when MTV used to play those horrid hair metal bands?...and then BOOM, out of Seattle comes Nirvana. Over night, all of those spandexed ninnys were revealed to be the packaged poseurs that they were.
Taking my silly analogy a step further...Would such a shift be possible had Curt Cobain joined Poison?...ummm, not so much.
I agree with your sentiment, but is it easier to rebuild a corrupt party from the ground up, or knock the whole thing down and start fresh?
Which task is more surmountable?
Personally, I'm 50-50 on the question.
Yes, the Republican party has lots of apparatus in place, but it also sports a lot of bridges burned in it's wake. (broken promises, double dealing and a really bad reputation)
Who would have thought that the tea party would grow to be such a force in so little time. Perhaps the (counter) revolution has already begun.
I'm truly beginning to think that we are witnessing the last gasps of all the old (political) paradigms.
Strange, but I keep having this flashback to the mid 90s. Remember when MTV used to play those horrid hair metal bands?...and then BOOM, out of Seattle comes Nirvana. Over night, all of those spandexed ninnys were revealed to be the packaged poseurs that they were.
Taking my silly analogy a step further...Would such a shift be possible had Curt Cobain joined Poison?...ummm, not so much.
Posted by: AtlasMugged at August 27, 2010 12:54 PM (PbkDy)
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If the Republican Party is a royalist party, then I flee them as well, and I confess my error: The more radical elements of the Tea Party are right, third party is the only way possible, even if it means living under socialist rule for a generation.
Jesus...I missed that part. Are you fucking kidding??
We have been under socialist rule for under 20 months... and look at the shit we're in.
OK...I'm going to be a real fucking dick here. I have been raising hell and warning about the shit that was about to come down since the Jug Eared fucking idiot got elected...and the Jackassocrats got the numbers they have..
You know fucking what??? I was told time and fucking time and time again to fucking ease up...that this blog was more than just politics
While we had post after post about the significance about a movie about alien Smurfs...or what fucking TV show had better spaceships..i was fucking screaming about tghe shit they were cramming up our asses.
Are you fucking pissed now?/ Good
Raise fucking hell
Jesus...I missed that part. Are you fucking kidding??
We have been under socialist rule for under 20 months... and look at the shit we're in.
OK...I'm going to be a real fucking dick here. I have been raising hell and warning about the shit that was about to come down since the Jug Eared fucking idiot got elected...and the Jackassocrats got the numbers they have..
You know fucking what??? I was told time and fucking time and time again to fucking ease up...that this blog was more than just politics
While we had post after post about the significance about a movie about alien Smurfs...or what fucking TV show had better spaceships..i was fucking screaming about tghe shit they were cramming up our asses.
Are you fucking pissed now?/ Good
Raise fucking hell
Posted by: beedubya at August 27, 2010 12:54 PM (AnTyA)
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Jeez, talk about a panic party. It's an extremely close race, the outstanding ballots are more than enough to allow for a Murkowski win, the Party apparatus that helps and advises Republicans in such a situation are doing their job, and the candidates are both doing their due diligence. Wow, I don't know how people sleep at night with such a crisis looming.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 27, 2010 12:54 PM (h6kb0)
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That said, I still advocate trying to internally take over the GOP rather than a true third party. But unless/until a takeover is completed always always always be suspicious of the national committees.
Posted by: Ryan Frank at August 27, 2010 12:42 PM (yJPTY)
The Republican brand is now too damaged to save. There are too many folks out there, like myself, who see that party as part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Add in the Race vote... and the Dem Moderates vote who vote Dem because they have always voted against Repubs... and you have a huge section of fairly conservative people who will NEVER vote Repub.
Yet a true Fiscal Con / Social lib to moderate party? Who truly advocates leaving social issues to the State? One that people would have to look at with fresh eyes? and not through the Repub history?
Best thing for the Republic, IMO, would be for the Repubs to pull a "Whig"... and disband the party so another untainted Party can form.
Posted by: Ryan Frank at August 27, 2010 12:42 PM (yJPTY)
The Republican brand is now too damaged to save. There are too many folks out there, like myself, who see that party as part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Add in the Race vote... and the Dem Moderates vote who vote Dem because they have always voted against Repubs... and you have a huge section of fairly conservative people who will NEVER vote Repub.
Yet a true Fiscal Con / Social lib to moderate party? Who truly advocates leaving social issues to the State? One that people would have to look at with fresh eyes? and not through the Repub history?
Best thing for the Republic, IMO, would be for the Repubs to pull a "Whig"... and disband the party so another untainted Party can form.
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 27, 2010 12:55 PM (H+oXM)
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Stop giving me sht, or I change parties. Capiche?
Posted by: Sen. Arlen Cornyn at August 27, 2010 12:55 PM (K/USr)
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I have taken over this blog. Hey, wanna look at some pictures?
Posted by: Alvin Greene at August 27, 2010 12:55 PM (+sBB4)
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Accepting Murky would go against everything that makes them a party. Fightingbureaucrat cash is their whole reason to exist.
Posted by: rdbrewer at August 27, 2010 12:55 PM (dCNYz)
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Frustration. That is the only word to describe the choices being hoisted on the American people by themselves. In the primary season in GA I voted for the new guy or girl everywhere I had a choice trying, hoping to get some fresh blood into the system. Unfortunately once the votes were counted we were pretty much left with the same field of 'professional' politicians we always have. Our governors race wound up with a former governor and a former US Representative, although there is a Libertarian candidate who might get my vote instead of the established elite.
I am just frustrated that it is the voters who are returning the same old tired, in some cases has been, never were's and then bitching about how things never change. There simply are still not enough people plugged into what is happening and either vote for the guy whose commercial was the last they saw before heading out of the house to vote and listed first on the ballot.
In some areas name doesn't matter just what letter is after the name.
I guess if I am mad at anybody it is the vast majority of Americans who just simply are not informed enough to make good choices. And who will continue to bitch about how government continues to impose into their lives.
I am just frustrated that it is the voters who are returning the same old tired, in some cases has been, never were's and then bitching about how things never change. There simply are still not enough people plugged into what is happening and either vote for the guy whose commercial was the last they saw before heading out of the house to vote and listed first on the ballot.
In some areas name doesn't matter just what letter is after the name.
I guess if I am mad at anybody it is the vast majority of Americans who just simply are not informed enough to make good choices. And who will continue to bitch about how government continues to impose into their lives.
Posted by: Just A Grunt at August 27, 2010 12:55 PM (pOC9r)
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First, a third party is nonsense. It's the same types that you complain about that will run the third party before too long. Slapping a different label on the right-of-center party won't change a thing.
1) The 17th amendment
Yeah, you think Republican legislatures will nominate conservatives? They'll all be RINOs. If you think the Senate is moderate squish land now, just wait until Senators are appointed again.
2) NAFTA
Oh, lord, a Pat-sie. This is the problem and it's the problem with socialism. Everybody knows what they don't like, but when it comes to actually finding what they do like, they have different ideas. Socialists are great about saying what sucks but when they get down to fixing it, people say "that isn't what I voted for."
3) The Fed
Keep pluckin' that chicken, Pat-sie.
1) The 17th amendment
Yeah, you think Republican legislatures will nominate conservatives? They'll all be RINOs. If you think the Senate is moderate squish land now, just wait until Senators are appointed again.
2) NAFTA
Oh, lord, a Pat-sie. This is the problem and it's the problem with socialism. Everybody knows what they don't like, but when it comes to actually finding what they do like, they have different ideas. Socialists are great about saying what sucks but when they get down to fixing it, people say "that isn't what I voted for."
3) The Fed
Keep pluckin' that chicken, Pat-sie.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2010 12:55 PM (T0NGe)
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Personally, I never considered emptying your bowels into your pants a viable battle plan.
Posted by: maddogg at August 27, 2010 12:56 PM (OlN4e)
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Contact:
National Republican Senatorial Committee
Ronald Reagan Republican Center
425 2nd Street NE Washington, DC 20002
Telephone: (202) 675-6000
E-mail: info@nrsc.org
National Republican Senatorial Committee
Ronald Reagan Republican Center
425 2nd Street NE Washington, DC 20002
Telephone: (202) 675-6000
E-mail: info@nrsc.org
Posted by: dagny at August 27, 2010 12:56 PM (4oIRO)
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So can we all agree that the far left are gigantic shitheads who have taken over one party and infiltrated the other in an attempt to exert their eternal fistfuck of power over us?
Posted by: The Mega Independent at August 27, 2010 12:56 PM (QUssN)
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Keep that creepy Mr. Pink away from me. No, I don't want to cook any pancakes.
Posted by: Hannah Giles at August 27, 2010 12:56 PM (+sBB4)
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I'm going back under the desk again. Posted by: ZimrielIs there room for me?
Posted by: George Orwell
As long as you both are down there.......
Posted by: George Orwell
As long as you both are down there.......
Posted by: Perhaps it IS time or us to start sucking each others'... at August 27, 2010 12:57 PM (R2fpr)
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Posted by: Ben at August 27, 2010 12:49 PM
Ben, I repeat: we don't know what the NRSC dimwit is doing in Alaska. He may well be counseling The Murk to STFU and let the electoral process take its legal course. He may be trying to dissuade her from third-party stupidity. Heck, he might be offering her a job.
Jumping to premature conclusions is never a good thing. That's what I see some people doing here, and it bugs me. It's what I expect from the tinfoil-hat libtards, not intelligent human beings.
Ben, I repeat: we don't know what the NRSC dimwit is doing in Alaska. He may well be counseling The Murk to STFU and let the electoral process take its legal course. He may be trying to dissuade her from third-party stupidity. Heck, he might be offering her a job.
Jumping to premature conclusions is never a good thing. That's what I see some people doing here, and it bugs me. It's what I expect from the tinfoil-hat libtards, not intelligent human beings.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 27, 2010 12:57 PM (Ulu3i)
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Clearly, Ace will not be invited on Michael Medved's show.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 12:57 PM (AZGON)
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26 I'm speechless. Really... I just want to cry. Or get drunk. Dammit, my blood pressure can't take much more.
Posted by: jewells at August 27, 2010 12:39 PM (l/N7H)
hug, yeah i find tears in my eyes.
Posted by: jewells at August 27, 2010 12:39 PM (l/N7H)
hug, yeah i find tears in my eyes.
Posted by: willow at August 27, 2010 12:57 PM (UIwus)
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at August 27, 2010 12:58 PM (uFokq)
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ace,
Oh FFS, let's read the NRSC "mission statement" literally and just pretend a group of incumbent Senators won't favor....wait for it.....incumbents.
Of course, since Miller will very likely win the absentee ballets as well (See Vic, elsewhere, for the breakdown and rationale), this is pretty much just an eddy in your own personal rubicon, no?
So, today we should all get on the same page with the nitwit you melted down over yesterday? Is that what you are saying?
This is August. October should be lots and lots of fun in casa de ewok.
Oh FFS, let's read the NRSC "mission statement" literally and just pretend a group of incumbent Senators won't favor....wait for it.....incumbents.
Of course, since Miller will very likely win the absentee ballets as well (See Vic, elsewhere, for the breakdown and rationale), this is pretty much just an eddy in your own personal rubicon, no?
So, today we should all get on the same page with the nitwit you melted down over yesterday? Is that what you are saying?
This is August. October should be lots and lots of fun in casa de ewok.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 27, 2010 12:58 PM (P9zpD)
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So can we all agree that the far left are gigantic shitheads who have taken over one party and infiltrated the other in an attempt to exert their eternal fistfuck of power over us?
I don't see them as left. I just see them as a new Aristrocracy. People who have an unspoken agreement to defend each others power through political organizations they control.
I wouldn't mind seeing Haily Barbour using some RGA money to send a lawyer up to help Miller. Fire a shot across the bow of the NRSC and let them know what their doing is being noticed and the base will not stand for it.
I don't see them as left. I just see them as a new Aristrocracy. People who have an unspoken agreement to defend each others power through political organizations they control.
I wouldn't mind seeing Haily Barbour using some RGA money to send a lawyer up to help Miller. Fire a shot across the bow of the NRSC and let them know what their doing is being noticed and the base will not stand for it.
Posted by: Ben at August 27, 2010 12:59 PM (wuv1c)
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The only Third Party I want to be a member of is one whose other two members ar Hannah Giles and Carmen Elektra.
Carmen has been around a bit...and she was actually married to Dennis Rodman for a while...so the "elasticity" might not still be there
...just sayin
Carmen has been around a bit...and she was actually married to Dennis Rodman for a while...so the "elasticity" might not still be there
...just sayin
Posted by: beedubya at August 27, 2010 12:59 PM (AnTyA)
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even if it means living under socialist rule for a generation. forever.
Because that's what it would be
Because that's what it would be
Posted by: dagny at August 27, 2010 12:59 PM (4oIRO)
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Look, I'm not gonna stand here with soap in my paw forever. And the water is getting cold.
Posted by: Mr. Wolf at August 27, 2010 12:59 PM (AZGON)
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It was 33 years from the start ofthe French and Indian Wars to the signing of the Constiutition.... 13 years after the Declaration of Independence.
All you instant pudding lovers need to go back and check recipes from the from scratch stuff--- it takes time and it's easy to ruin with impatience.
(IOW... patience and keep fighting).
All you instant pudding lovers need to go back and check recipes from the from scratch stuff--- it takes time and it's easy to ruin with impatience.
(IOW... patience and keep fighting).
Posted by: EZB at August 27, 2010 12:59 PM (Ty06w)
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The NRSC shouldn't be involved in a primary AT ALL. The fact that they are is what is suspect. That's all the evidence you need -- they are meddling where they shouldn't be by their very presence.
Posted by: Ella at August 27, 2010 12:59 PM (zKypm)
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I have already decided that Cornyn will not get my vote again. How tough can it be to stand up for conservative principles? He does not, so I assume that he does not agree with me. Ergo, I will not vote for him again.
Don't you love it when people say ergo? I have no clue what it means.
Don't you love it when people say ergo? I have no clue what it means.
Posted by: Harry at August 27, 2010 01:00 PM (DMUp/)
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Gee, I guess Beck isn't wrong about the republican thing? or not? interesting.
Posted by: dagny at August 27, 2010 01:00 PM (4oIRO)
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John Cornyn represents a red state, a state whose voters generally want more, not less, conservative politicians in other states.
Would his voters in Texas like to know that his primary goal is not the furtherance of the conservative movement but defeating the Jim DeMint conservative faction? [...]
A majority of conservatives in TX have already realized that Cornyn keeps moving ever leftward. Not much we can do about it, really.
Would his voters in Texas like to know that his primary goal is not the furtherance of the conservative movement but defeating the Jim DeMint conservative faction? [...]
A majority of conservatives in TX have already realized that Cornyn keeps moving ever leftward. Not much we can do about it, really.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 01:00 PM (yfJ6g)
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Posted by: Ben at August 27, 2010 12:51 PM
Tell me how they are "helping her win."
They sent a lawyer to advise her. We don't know what he's saying. He could be saying that she is legally obligated to return funds if she pulls the Libertarian stunt. He could be making her an offer she can't refuse. He could be visiting a stable even now to select a horse with a particularly large head.
If she got the most votes - sorry, I am unconvinced by the folks who are hanging the "Miller is the winner" theory on slightly over than 50% percentages of an unknown number of Republican ballots out there - then she is the legitimate winner.
If she is the legitimate winner, doesn't it make sense to keep her feeling charitably toward the GOP?
Tell me how they are "helping her win."
They sent a lawyer to advise her. We don't know what he's saying. He could be saying that she is legally obligated to return funds if she pulls the Libertarian stunt. He could be making her an offer she can't refuse. He could be visiting a stable even now to select a horse with a particularly large head.
If she got the most votes - sorry, I am unconvinced by the folks who are hanging the "Miller is the winner" theory on slightly over than 50% percentages of an unknown number of Republican ballots out there - then she is the legitimate winner.
If she is the legitimate winner, doesn't it make sense to keep her feeling charitably toward the GOP?
Posted by: Y-not at August 27, 2010 01:00 PM (4/eCJ)
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Since the absentees comprise alot of military ballots and Miller is a veteran with a bronze star, it seems like there is no way Lisa can win 55-60 percent of those ballots.
Now if sane people are able to convince her to retire with dignity or get a high paying lobbyist job, GOOD.
Now if sane people are able to convince her to retire with dignity or get a high paying lobbyist job, GOOD.
Posted by: Dan at August 27, 2010 01:01 PM (1jzSs)
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Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at August 27, 2010 12:58 PM (uFokq)
If you don't quit stalking me I'm going to strangle you with my sacred underwear.
If you don't quit stalking me I'm going to strangle you with my sacred underwear.
Posted by: Mitt Romney at August 27, 2010 01:01 PM (AZGON)
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Come on in, the water's warm.
Posted by: Socialism at August 27, 2010 01:01 PM (+sBB4)
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The NRSC has one role. To help elect Republicans to office. Not influence primaries. Yet, as we have seen time and again the NRSC and it's counterpart in the House spend all their time and money keeping career politicians in office. They will use all their resources to influence or thwart the will of the people. Why wouldn't they when it's run by career politicians. It's cliche but really Who Watches the Watchmen? If these groups are allowed keep this up they taint all primaries.
The only part of your post that I disagree with Ace is in giving up. I'm not going to kiss your ass about how valuable you are. Think about it from this angle - even with all the resources of the NRSC against them truly conservative candidates that will fix this nation won their respective primaries. Rubio is walking talking slap in the face to the NRSC and their congress critter brethren. FIGHT. If this pisses you off that much, FIGHT. Keep pushing. Force out every corrupt power hungry asshole in the GOP. It will get hard. Harder than any of us can possibly imagine. But obviously you wouldn't put this much time into the site if you didn't care. So stop talking about Rubicons and FIGHT.
The only part of your post that I disagree with Ace is in giving up. I'm not going to kiss your ass about how valuable you are. Think about it from this angle - even with all the resources of the NRSC against them truly conservative candidates that will fix this nation won their respective primaries. Rubio is walking talking slap in the face to the NRSC and their congress critter brethren. FIGHT. If this pisses you off that much, FIGHT. Keep pushing. Force out every corrupt power hungry asshole in the GOP. It will get hard. Harder than any of us can possibly imagine. But obviously you wouldn't put this much time into the site if you didn't care. So stop talking about Rubicons and FIGHT.
Posted by: ChicagoJedi at August 27, 2010 01:01 PM (WZFkG)
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You should try joining a political party that bases it's policies on
clear principles = the Libertarian party. ...
Posted by: glennd1 at August 27, 2010 12:49 PM (k5gEt)
Sorry, glennd1, I don't buy that the Libertarian party has any principles. (And that's too bad.) If they did have principles, why would they even be giving Lisa Murkowski the time of day?
You should try joining a political party that bases it's policies on
clear principles = the Libertarian party. ...
Posted by: glennd1 at August 27, 2010 12:49 PM (k5gEt)
Sorry, glennd1, I don't buy that the Libertarian party has any principles. (And that's too bad.) If they did have principles, why would they even be giving Lisa Murkowski the time of day?
Posted by: Mary in LA at August 27, 2010 01:02 PM (NGf/6)
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I appreciate your sentiments, Ace, but you have to cut these morons (the NRSC morons, not us) some slack. They are like rich kids who are suddenly being forced to work. They simply cannot believe they have to arrive on time, put on a uniform, and serve the customers with a smile. They are shocked.
But they will learn. They will have to. The people are speaking.
It is nice, don't you think, to see what happens when the light shines on many of these so-called Republicans: Crist, McCollum, Murkowski? It is especially heartwarming to know that we the people knew what vile slime they were even before the light was turned on.
But they will learn. They will have to. The people are speaking.
It is nice, don't you think, to see what happens when the light shines on many of these so-called Republicans: Crist, McCollum, Murkowski? It is especially heartwarming to know that we the people knew what vile slime they were even before the light was turned on.
Posted by: MaxMBJ at August 27, 2010 01:02 PM (90bLF)
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cold day in hell i vote for Ron Paul .
Posted by: willow at August 27, 2010 01:02 PM (UIwus)
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Agreed. Ironically, a hard tyranny / totalitarian regime can be overthrown (ie. the Soviet Union) but oddly, socialism is incurable herpes (when arrives it gives pleasure but then becomes a pain in the dong).
That said, can we all now call, fax, e-mail et al the offices of the NRSC as if it were congress on the eve of the health care vote?
I say skip Glenn Beck's rally and head over to that office.
Agreed. Ironically, a hard tyranny / totalitarian regime can be overthrown (ie. the Soviet Union) but oddly, socialism is incurable herpes (when arrives it gives pleasure but then becomes a pain in the dong).
That said, can we all now call, fax, e-mail et al the offices of the NRSC as if it were congress on the eve of the health care vote?
I say skip Glenn Beck's rally and head over to that office.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 27, 2010 01:03 PM (9Cooa)
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In the primary season in GA I voted for the new guy or girl everywhere I
had a choice trying, hoping to get some fresh blood into the system.
Like Obama? No record means that they can lie to you with impunity. Better to compare records from people who have actually done things.
Unfortunately once the votes were counted we were pretty much left with
the same field of 'professional' politicians we always have.
What the hell do you expect for Governor? You want to pluck some guy off the street and shove him in the job? It's an executive position and you would expect the person to have some sort of experience.
Now I've argued that, as a mathematician, I am too intelligent to serve on the Supreme Court, but why the hell would you nominate me to that position? Consider David Souter if you want to elevate someone with no record.
Our
governors race wound up with a former governor and a former US
Representative, although there is a Libertarian Democrat Socialist candidate who might get
my vote instead of the established elite.
FIFY.
Yeah, because the Libertarian party is soooooooo principled, as this AK fiasco has shown us. They're the biggest whores in this whole thing.
You guys like principled third parties? Fine. Look at the Libertarian party and tell me that's what you want. But no, it will be better when you do it. Your utopia will be better.
had a choice trying, hoping to get some fresh blood into the system.
Like Obama? No record means that they can lie to you with impunity. Better to compare records from people who have actually done things.
Unfortunately once the votes were counted we were pretty much left with
the same field of 'professional' politicians we always have.
What the hell do you expect for Governor? You want to pluck some guy off the street and shove him in the job? It's an executive position and you would expect the person to have some sort of experience.
Now I've argued that, as a mathematician, I am too intelligent to serve on the Supreme Court, but why the hell would you nominate me to that position? Consider David Souter if you want to elevate someone with no record.
Our
governors race wound up with a former governor and a former US
Representative, although there is a Libertarian Democrat Socialist candidate who might get
my vote instead of the established elite.
FIFY.
Yeah, because the Libertarian party is soooooooo principled, as this AK fiasco has shown us. They're the biggest whores in this whole thing.
You guys like principled third parties? Fine. Look at the Libertarian party and tell me that's what you want. But no, it will be better when you do it. Your utopia will be better.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2010 01:03 PM (T0NGe)
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@10 Ace is gaining new insights into what drives the Teaparty movement RON PAUL!!!
Sure as hell fixed that for you.
Look, kid, I'm strong and well but I am no longer a young man. It is getting just a tad trying to watch you grow up. The road to Damascus is just not that long. How godddamn many more moments are you expecting have along it? Drama!
Sure as hell fixed that for you.
Look, kid, I'm strong and well but I am no longer a young man. It is getting just a tad trying to watch you grow up. The road to Damascus is just not that long. How godddamn many more moments are you expecting have along it? Drama!
Posted by: comatus at August 27, 2010 01:03 PM (hrwMe)
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These pretzels are making me THIRSTY.
Posted by: toby928 at August 27, 2010 01:03 PM (S5YRY)
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"So if the GOP chooses to support incumbency over
primary results, they in effect declare that the whole idea that the
party is "ours" and we can remake it is false, and the party is in fact
theirs and they will run whom in the aristocracy is next in line for
the crown.
It is a dangerous position for them. And I hope that the whole lawyer thing is just a token for the sake of NRSC advice. "
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at August 27, 2010 12:46 PM (0q2P7)
Which is EXACTLY how we got such stellar candidates as George HW Bush, Bob Dole, and John McCain.This is suicide and it's got to stop!
primary results, they in effect declare that the whole idea that the
party is "ours" and we can remake it is false, and the party is in fact
theirs and they will run whom in the aristocracy is next in line for
the crown.
It is a dangerous position for them. And I hope that the whole lawyer thing is just a token for the sake of NRSC advice. "
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at August 27, 2010 12:46 PM (0q2P7)
Which is EXACTLY how we got such stellar candidates as George HW Bush, Bob Dole, and John McCain.This is suicide and it's got to stop!
Posted by: Nighhawk at August 27, 2010 01:04 PM (OtQXp)
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Just know your enemy.
The enemy is in the Republican Party and must be purged. All we have to do is know it. The biggest danger this country faced was not the assholes on the D side... it was the people who were going to get the reins back when the D's inevitably fucked everyone after 2008, and everyone woke up and ran screaming back to the R's.
"RINOs" are not just innocent little liberal flowers in conservative clothing... they are the same evil fucking assholes that are currently fucking us from the other side of the aisle. Fuck them. Fuck third party. Take our party back. Take our country back. One fucking vote at a time, one fucking pair of eyes opened at a time. November will be a good start. Let's roll.
Just know your enemy.
The enemy is in the Republican Party and must be purged. All we have to do is know it. The biggest danger this country faced was not the assholes on the D side... it was the people who were going to get the reins back when the D's inevitably fucked everyone after 2008, and everyone woke up and ran screaming back to the R's.
"RINOs" are not just innocent little liberal flowers in conservative clothing... they are the same evil fucking assholes that are currently fucking us from the other side of the aisle. Fuck them. Fuck third party. Take our party back. Take our country back. One fucking vote at a time, one fucking pair of eyes opened at a time. November will be a good start. Let's roll.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at August 27, 2010 01:04 PM (QUssN)
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Ben, I repeat: we don't know what the NRSC dimwit is doing in Alaska. He may well be counseling The Murk to STFU and let the electoral process take its legal course. He may be trying to dissuade her from third-party stupidity. Heck, he might be offering her a job.Jumping to premature conclusions is never a good thing. That's what I see some people doing here, and it bugs me. It's what I expect from the tinfoil-hat libtards, not intelligent human beings.
fair enough, but most conservative blogs with party connections, Dan Riehl, Moe Lane, Red State, etc are saying that their sources are telling them otherwise. That the NRSC is up there to help her. Are they 100% fact, maybe not, but i've found most of them to be trustworthy in the past and they have access to much more inside info than i do.
Also look at their record they've fought against Angle, Buck, Lee, Paul, Rubio, and Toomey. All Jim Demint types.
This is poltics going on and it isn't Dem v Rep. It is Cornyn and pals verses Demint and pals.
fair enough, but most conservative blogs with party connections, Dan Riehl, Moe Lane, Red State, etc are saying that their sources are telling them otherwise. That the NRSC is up there to help her. Are they 100% fact, maybe not, but i've found most of them to be trustworthy in the past and they have access to much more inside info than i do.
Also look at their record they've fought against Angle, Buck, Lee, Paul, Rubio, and Toomey. All Jim Demint types.
This is poltics going on and it isn't Dem v Rep. It is Cornyn and pals verses Demint and pals.
Posted by: Ben at August 27, 2010 01:04 PM (wuv1c)
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 01:04 PM (uFokq)
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The more I think about it, the more I think this should not surpass us at all myself included.
We are waging a righteous campaign to retake the GOP and then retake the government. There will be ups and downs, wins and losses. For example, Sarah wins some with her endorsements, and loses some too, but she keeps on going to the next one trying to change the GOP.
No matter what happens, we just gotta keep fighting no matter how long it takes or what setbacks occur. Third party is a dead end. WE NEED TO KEEP FIGHTING TO RETAKE THE GOP.
So far, WE ARE WINNING, so no need to get discouraged!
We are waging a righteous campaign to retake the GOP and then retake the government. There will be ups and downs, wins and losses. For example, Sarah wins some with her endorsements, and loses some too, but she keeps on going to the next one trying to change the GOP.
No matter what happens, we just gotta keep fighting no matter how long it takes or what setbacks occur. Third party is a dead end. WE NEED TO KEEP FIGHTING TO RETAKE THE GOP.
So far, WE ARE WINNING, so no need to get discouraged!
Posted by: Dan at August 27, 2010 01:04 PM (1jzSs)
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We see a fine example of the "principles" of the libertarians in Alaska. They seem to boil down to whatever floats the boat.
Posted by: maddogg at August 27, 2010 01:04 PM (OlN4e)
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I've already emailed and Facebooked the NRSC and Sen Cornyn the following. Lets hope they're listening.
"The NRSC needs to stop meddling in the Alaska primary. If the NRSC wants the support of the people then they should respect the WILL of the people. Blind support for an incumbent candidate will drive voters away from the party. Show the voters NOW that the NRSC isn't an elitist club for establishment politicians. Stay out of the Alaska race. Save committee money for candidates that win. Don't support one candidate over another... especially one that is already searching for a path around the will of Alaska voters to become the next Charlie Christ."
"The NRSC needs to stop meddling in the Alaska primary. If the NRSC wants the support of the people then they should respect the WILL of the people. Blind support for an incumbent candidate will drive voters away from the party. Show the voters NOW that the NRSC isn't an elitist club for establishment politicians. Stay out of the Alaska race. Save committee money for candidates that win. Don't support one candidate over another... especially one that is already searching for a path around the will of Alaska voters to become the next Charlie Christ."
Posted by: sarasotasteve at August 27, 2010 01:05 PM (0DUqi)
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Alaska, I should get the seat.Hell, I like power! The other guy doesn't like power as much as me. And I even like money. Does he? No.
You fuckers.
No, wait, I didn't mean that. I would never say that. You're the job givers. You're the nice job givers. You're the ones who give me this nice job I love so much. You realizeit's all about me, and that I really like like power. Thank you, Alaska.
You fuckers.
No, wait, I didn't mean that. I would never say that. You're the job givers. You're the nice job givers. You're the ones who give me this nice job I love so much. You realizeit's all about me, and that I really like like power. Thank you, Alaska.
Posted by: Lisa Murkowski at August 27, 2010 01:05 PM (dCNYz)
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If anyone needs a reminder about the difficulties of having a 3+ party system, just look at the current situations in the UK Australia. Power struggles, having to make even greater compromises, a troubled govt. No thanks.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 01:06 PM (yfJ6g)
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I'm going back under the desk again.
Posted by: ZimrielIs there room for me?
There's only room for one, comfortably. Believe me.
Posted by: ZimrielIs there room for me?
There's only room for one, comfortably. Believe me.
Posted by: monica lewinsky at August 27, 2010 01:07 PM (3phFo)
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Third Party?
Epic Fail.
Instead change a Party that is strong, well-known, and already pretty close to what you want.
The GOP is not the wrong party. The GOP is the right party infested with the wrong people.
Third Party?
Epic Fail.
Instead change a Party that is strong, well-known, and already pretty close to what you want.
The GOP is not the wrong party. The GOP is the right party infested with the wrong people.
Posted by: eman at August 27, 2010 01:07 PM (rIm2V)
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socialism is incurable herpes (when arrives it gives pleasure but then becomes a pain in the dong).
OK, this is awesome
OK, this is awesome
Posted by: ingenus at August 27, 2010 01:07 PM (+sBB4)
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Ace, this is just the beginning of the beginningof the movement to retake the GOP away from the blueblood, country club set. It's only been inthe past eighteen months that the country has started to awaken from its slumber and pay attention to politics. How many of your friends know as much about politics as you do right now? Not many, I'd wager. It's the same with me and probably most of our fellow Morons.
This is a speed bump, nothing more. The road extends a bit farther than the hood ornament.
And the car is just now up to operating temperature, according to this little gauge thingyhere.
This is a speed bump, nothing more. The road extends a bit farther than the hood ornament.
And the car is just now up to operating temperature, according to this little gauge thingyhere.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at August 27, 2010 01:07 PM (kFODZ)
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I don't know about this ace guy. He may fold under questioning.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 27, 2010 01:07 PM (P9zpD)
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mega independant said..Fuck them. Fuck third party. Take our party back. Take our country back. One fucking vote at a time, one fucking pair of eyes opened at a time. November will be a good start
Dan said ..We are waging a righteous campaign to retake the GOP and then retake the government. There will be ups and downs, wins and losses. For example, Sarah wins some with her endorsements, and loses some too, but she keeps on going to the next one trying to change the GOP. No matter what happens, we just gotta keep fighting no matter how long it takes or what setbacks occur. Third party is a dead end. WE NEED TO KEEP FIGHTING TO RETAKE THE GOP. So far, WE ARE WINNING, so no need to get discouraged!
yes.
Dan said ..We are waging a righteous campaign to retake the GOP and then retake the government. There will be ups and downs, wins and losses. For example, Sarah wins some with her endorsements, and loses some too, but she keeps on going to the next one trying to change the GOP. No matter what happens, we just gotta keep fighting no matter how long it takes or what setbacks occur. Third party is a dead end. WE NEED TO KEEP FIGHTING TO RETAKE THE GOP. So far, WE ARE WINNING, so no need to get discouraged!
yes.
Posted by: willow at August 27, 2010 01:07 PM (UIwus)
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fair enough, but most conservative blogs with party connections, Dan
Riehl, Moe Lane, Red State, etc are saying that their sources are
telling them otherwise
Ah-ha! Well that certainly convinces me.
A bunch of pundits who are connected to a movement that stands opposed to the current set of GOP insiders heard from their sources that the GOP insiders are dirty dealing.
I'm ready to grab my torch and pitchfork now.
Riehl, Moe Lane, Red State, etc are saying that their sources are
telling them otherwise
Ah-ha! Well that certainly convinces me.
A bunch of pundits who are connected to a movement that stands opposed to the current set of GOP insiders heard from their sources that the GOP insiders are dirty dealing.
I'm ready to grab my torch and pitchfork now.
Posted by: Y-not at August 27, 2010 01:07 PM (4/eCJ)
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The NRSC isn't up here because the reality is we all love sucking that gubmint teat. We suck that teat harder than a pig sucks gravy, and the NRSC simply realises they could be next. So, nothing to see here. It's all legit. Move along.
Posted by: Lisa Murkowski at August 27, 2010 01:07 PM (dCNYz)
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202-675-6000.....
Just rings and rings....
Yeah I think maybe they are either tired of us chewing their asses off or they have decided to just ignore us all.
Just rings and rings....
Yeah I think maybe they are either tired of us chewing their asses off or they have decided to just ignore us all.
Posted by: FreedomFighter at August 27, 2010 01:08 PM (XHR9b)
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I understand the frustation with Murkowski in Alaska and NSRC. It just plays into all our preconceptions about the Republican leadership.
The solution is conservatives taking back the Republican Party. Why do we give up the party? Let's force the RINOs to go third party.
And we have forced out RINOs. Arlen Spectacle in PA went Democratic and got primaried. Good riddance.
Good time Charlie Crist has fled the party. And if Lisa and the NSRC pull shenigans, they will pay the price in the long term. Miller has a political future in Alaska if he plays his cards correctly regardless of the final tally.
Let the RINOs form their own party. We win and lose battles. We just have to keep fighting.
Leave it with a quote:
"I am a Democrat, so I do not think.
I am a Republican, so I do not fight."
We need to keep fighting to change both these propositions.
The solution is conservatives taking back the Republican Party. Why do we give up the party? Let's force the RINOs to go third party.
And we have forced out RINOs. Arlen Spectacle in PA went Democratic and got primaried. Good riddance.
Good time Charlie Crist has fled the party. And if Lisa and the NSRC pull shenigans, they will pay the price in the long term. Miller has a political future in Alaska if he plays his cards correctly regardless of the final tally.
Let the RINOs form their own party. We win and lose battles. We just have to keep fighting.
Leave it with a quote:
"I am a Democrat, so I do not think.
I am a Republican, so I do not fight."
We need to keep fighting to change both these propositions.
Posted by: Scoob at August 27, 2010 01:08 PM (T7+JL)
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This is just another example of what I have long contended, the death of shame in our society has contributed to the breakdown in many of our institutions. Virtually nobody in public life has any sense of shame or honor anymore. Al they care about is their personal well being.
Politicians on both sides of the aisle don't really stand for anything and take zero responsibility for their actions or the wishes of the electorate. They will say or do anything to protect their asses. Look at McCain, has there ever been a bigger whore? The man will say anything, ANY THING, to keep his precious seat and he won't lose a second of sleep over his actions.
Term limits. Senators get two terms and Reps 4. No exceptions. Get in, do your job and then go home.
Politicians on both sides of the aisle don't really stand for anything and take zero responsibility for their actions or the wishes of the electorate. They will say or do anything to protect their asses. Look at McCain, has there ever been a bigger whore? The man will say anything, ANY THING, to keep his precious seat and he won't lose a second of sleep over his actions.
Term limits. Senators get two terms and Reps 4. No exceptions. Get in, do your job and then go home.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 27, 2010 01:08 PM (VW9/y)
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You should try joining a political party that bases it's policies on clear principles = the Libertarian party. ...
Posted by: glennd1 at August 27, 2010 12:49 PM (k5gEt)
Sorry, glennd1, I don't buy that the Libertarian party has any principles. (And that's too bad.) If they did have principles, why would they even be giving Lisa Murkowski the time of day?
Posted by: Mary in LA
Dude. Whooooooa. We sure do have principles. I spent seven years of high school dodging him. Did you want to try some of this?
Posted by: glennd1 at August 27, 2010 12:49 PM (k5gEt)
Sorry, glennd1, I don't buy that the Libertarian party has any principles. (And that's too bad.) If they did have principles, why would they even be giving Lisa Murkowski the time of day?
Posted by: Mary in LA
Dude. Whooooooa. We sure do have principles. I spent seven years of high school dodging him. Did you want to try some of this?
Posted by: Yukon Dave at August 27, 2010 01:08 PM (R2fpr)
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Maybe the NRSC is sending Wilford Brimley.
Now we'll talk all day if you want to. But, come sundown, there's gonna be two things true that ain't true now ...
Now we'll talk all day if you want to. But, come sundown, there's gonna be two things true that ain't true now ...
Posted by: toby928 at August 27, 2010 01:09 PM (S5YRY)
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Just fired off an angry email to the NRSC. Geez, I'm pissed. I will never give another dime to those mofos or the NRC again. They are playing with fire.
Posted by: Gay Patron at Greg Gutfield's Mosque Bar at August 27, 2010 01:09 PM (CfmlF)
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141 202-675-6000.....Just rings and rings....Yeah I think maybe they are either tired of us chewing their asses off or they have decided to just ignore us all.
Or they've all gone out for an early lunch happy hour.
Or they've all gone out for an early lunch happy hour.
Posted by: EZB at August 27, 2010 01:09 PM (Ty06w)
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AmishDude: RE your responses to 17th, NAFTA, and FED.
Yeah, those are all junk responses:
1) No, I don't think republican legislature will nominate more conservatives than now. Likely about the same as now. What I think is that neither dems, repubs, nor libs nor conseravtives want to give up power. Repealing the 17th makes it EACH STATE is loath to give up power to the Feds.
2) Congress has two primary duties. Regulating interstate commerce and regulating inter-country commerce. NAFTA has removed the regulation of inter-country commerce from congresses domain, so now congress spends its time doing other shit.
3) I never really argued the fed, but I think it deserves to be on the list. I find it strange the Jefferson would state outright that a central bank was dangerous to the liberty of the people, yet if you mention it, your now called a Pat-sie.
You'd think the Fed didn't just take a huge amount of money from the taxpayers and decide to spend it ways we can't even look at.
Yeah, those are all junk responses:
1) No, I don't think republican legislature will nominate more conservatives than now. Likely about the same as now. What I think is that neither dems, repubs, nor libs nor conseravtives want to give up power. Repealing the 17th makes it EACH STATE is loath to give up power to the Feds.
2) Congress has two primary duties. Regulating interstate commerce and regulating inter-country commerce. NAFTA has removed the regulation of inter-country commerce from congresses domain, so now congress spends its time doing other shit.
3) I never really argued the fed, but I think it deserves to be on the list. I find it strange the Jefferson would state outright that a central bank was dangerous to the liberty of the people, yet if you mention it, your now called a Pat-sie.
You'd think the Fed didn't just take a huge amount of money from the taxpayers and decide to spend it ways we can't even look at.
Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at August 27, 2010 01:10 PM (5PTPu)
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I'm staying non-committal. I hate commies and socialists and statists and all the REAL FUCKING extremists too much. My .02 cents says let's not give the Dems any wedge issues.
I hope Becks surprise is one speaker after another, extolling the benefits of free enterprise. With every single one of them being of color, telling a story of how the business they run or used to run has been harmed and hampered by government interference. A story of an inability to expand or hire new workers because of onerous taxation, worry over the countries direction, and a stifled business environment.
I would think that Martin Luther King would approve.
I hope Becks surprise is one speaker after another, extolling the benefits of free enterprise. With every single one of them being of color, telling a story of how the business they run or used to run has been harmed and hampered by government interference. A story of an inability to expand or hire new workers because of onerous taxation, worry over the countries direction, and a stifled business environment.
I would think that Martin Luther King would approve.
Posted by: Downsized Upscale at August 27, 2010 01:11 PM (IhHdM)
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Just purge the RINOs, sta focused and turn the Party conservative again. The elitist cocksuckers will not go easily. Good, more bruising on the way out.
Posted by: SurferDoc at August 27, 2010 01:11 PM (X6a9o)
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So the AP writes a bullshit story about a GOP civil war... and then we do our damnedest to go ahead and give them one?
Posted by: Stan at August 27, 2010 01:11 PM (VQ7Ec)
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Y-Not,
You are right in what you say. I updated to note I am speaking with a lot of *ifs* here.
Yesterday I was unwilling to entertain this theory; today I am. In both cases, though, it is a theory.
However, I am beginning to worry to the point where I thought instead of saying "No they wouldn't do that, it would be too disastrous" to commenters it was really better I should write to Cornyn and tell him "Don't do that, it would be too disastrous."
I don't think they get it. I am worried that they don't.
If Murkowski really won, she really won -- we'll get 'em next time and all that.
And "Yesterday Ace" might be right -- they may just be keeping this woman's goodwill and indulging her for the sake of comity.
"Today Ace" is worried, though, that they might be indulging her a little too much.
You are right in what you say. I updated to note I am speaking with a lot of *ifs* here.
Yesterday I was unwilling to entertain this theory; today I am. In both cases, though, it is a theory.
However, I am beginning to worry to the point where I thought instead of saying "No they wouldn't do that, it would be too disastrous" to commenters it was really better I should write to Cornyn and tell him "Don't do that, it would be too disastrous."
I don't think they get it. I am worried that they don't.
If Murkowski really won, she really won -- we'll get 'em next time and all that.
And "Yesterday Ace" might be right -- they may just be keeping this woman's goodwill and indulging her for the sake of comity.
"Today Ace" is worried, though, that they might be indulging her a little too much.
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2010 01:11 PM (QbA6l)
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That's it. I'm going back to my fall back position of voting for people based on how funny their names are. Deng Xiaoping: Yeah, sure, maybe he was a
Chi Com party chairman but his name sounds like a ricochet off a cow pie. Boutros Boutros-Ghali: I prefer rendering it Boutros Boutros-Ghali Gee
Whiz but either way it's funny enough to consider voting for. (You know, "Boutros" is Arabic for "Peter" and "Ghali" is Arabic for "Pumpkin Eater.")
Chi Com party chairman but his name sounds like a ricochet off a cow pie. Boutros Boutros-Ghali: I prefer rendering it Boutros Boutros-Ghali Gee
Whiz but either way it's funny enough to consider voting for. (You know, "Boutros" is Arabic for "Peter" and "Ghali" is Arabic for "Pumpkin Eater.")
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 27, 2010 01:11 PM (xxgag)
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It really does look right now as if there is one team, and they agree amongst themselves that some team memberswill wear red jerseys, and some will wear blue jerseys.
The red jerseys will call themselves republicans, and some will go further and call themselves conservatives. The blue jerseys will call themselves democrats and some will go further and call themselves blue dogs. Clever that, both teams make a play for what they know real americans want, which is small government conservatism.
The squishiness of well-known "conservatives" (Peggy Noonan, Kathleen Parker, David Brooks, David Frum, etc) becomes clear once we peek behind the curtain and see that it's all a big show for our benefit, and there really isn't much difference between a Nancy Pelosi and a Lisa Murkowski or a Charlie Crist or a John Cornyn or a Lindsey Graham. Except maybe that Nancy Pelosi is more honest about her true beliefs than any of those others.
The red jerseys will call themselves republicans, and some will go further and call themselves conservatives. The blue jerseys will call themselves democrats and some will go further and call themselves blue dogs. Clever that, both teams make a play for what they know real americans want, which is small government conservatism.
The squishiness of well-known "conservatives" (Peggy Noonan, Kathleen Parker, David Brooks, David Frum, etc) becomes clear once we peek behind the curtain and see that it's all a big show for our benefit, and there really isn't much difference between a Nancy Pelosi and a Lisa Murkowski or a Charlie Crist or a John Cornyn or a Lindsey Graham. Except maybe that Nancy Pelosi is more honest about her true beliefs than any of those others.
Posted by: Boots at August 27, 2010 01:11 PM (06JTY)
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They, and we, have no idea what the NRSC rep. is doing with or saying to Murkowski.
Well, since Joe is the leading candidate for their party's nomination, shouldn't they be discussing that with him too? The parties used to not go out of their way to pick sides in these fights because whoever won was going to be their representative on the ballot. The only legitimate role that the NRSC could have in this would be to oversee the process to ensure that the winning candidate actually wins. Picking sides like this is a big F U to everyone that took the time to vote republican. Not a great strategy for building a loyal voter base.
Well, since Joe is the leading candidate for their party's nomination, shouldn't they be discussing that with him too? The parties used to not go out of their way to pick sides in these fights because whoever won was going to be their representative on the ballot. The only legitimate role that the NRSC could have in this would be to oversee the process to ensure that the winning candidate actually wins. Picking sides like this is a big F U to everyone that took the time to vote republican. Not a great strategy for building a loyal voter base.
Posted by: ef at August 27, 2010 01:11 PM (iWQHK)
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Scoob, you can't take back a party if they cheat.
If - if - the NRSC is doing what it appears they're doing, they are cheating to keep a squishy insider incumbent in place over an outsider conservative candidate.
You cannot "take back" a party if they cheat. There's no changing of the guard. There is no choice. The GOP is in complete control of the game, then, no different than a Chicago ward boss.
I know there is a hypothetical "if" in this situation still, but really? After Christ and Scozzafava?
If - if - the NRSC is doing what it appears they're doing, they are cheating to keep a squishy insider incumbent in place over an outsider conservative candidate.
You cannot "take back" a party if they cheat. There's no changing of the guard. There is no choice. The GOP is in complete control of the game, then, no different than a Chicago ward boss.
I know there is a hypothetical "if" in this situation still, but really? After Christ and Scozzafava?
Posted by: Ella at August 27, 2010 01:11 PM (zKypm)
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2010 01:12 PM (QbA6l)
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So the AP writes a bullshit story about a GOP civil war... and then we do our damnedest to go ahead and give them one?
Posted by: Stan
We're givers.
Posted by: Stan
We're givers.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 27, 2010 01:12 PM (R2fpr)
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If the Republican Party is a royalist party, then I flee them as well, and I confess my error: The more radical elements of the Tea Party are right, third party is the only way possible, even if it means living under socialist rule for a generation.
No, you don't want to go this route. Once the socialism gets fixed in place you are doomed....there will be no getting rid of it without burning down your house.
No, you don't want to go this route. Once the socialism gets fixed in place you are doomed....there will be no getting rid of it without burning down your house.
Posted by: CanaDave at August 27, 2010 01:12 PM (A8VBw)
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@amish dude
Actually our governors race had a former Secretary of State, who fought like hell to get a voter verification law on the books and had to fight the DOJ the whole time. A federal court just ruled in her favor and now we get to check citizenship status of voters and to ensure everybody is registered. There were 8 candidates on the Republican side all with varying degrees of experience in government so they were not exactly plucked offf the streets. In the end they wound up selecting a former representative who resigned from the house while facing ethics investigations in DC and also here at home. Good job.
So yeah I am little pissed with my options in that race. There are no real changes in the congressional races with all the polling showing that the incumbents will hold onto their seats.
I guess at least with the two party system you not only get experienced swindlers and crooks but a clique that is tighter then a Mafia family.
Actually our governors race had a former Secretary of State, who fought like hell to get a voter verification law on the books and had to fight the DOJ the whole time. A federal court just ruled in her favor and now we get to check citizenship status of voters and to ensure everybody is registered. There were 8 candidates on the Republican side all with varying degrees of experience in government so they were not exactly plucked offf the streets. In the end they wound up selecting a former representative who resigned from the house while facing ethics investigations in DC and also here at home. Good job.
So yeah I am little pissed with my options in that race. There are no real changes in the congressional races with all the polling showing that the incumbents will hold onto their seats.
I guess at least with the two party system you not only get experienced swindlers and crooks but a clique that is tighter then a Mafia family.
Posted by: Just A Grunt at August 27, 2010 01:12 PM (pOC9r)
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fair enough, but most conservative blogs with party connections, Dan Riehl, Moe Lane, Red State, etc are saying that their sources are telling them otherwiseAh-ha! Well that certainly convinces me. A bunch of pundits who are connected to a movement that stands opposed to the current set of GOP insiders heard from their sources that the GOP insiders are dirty dealing. I'm ready to grab my torch and pitchfork now.
Hey, side with the GOP insiders. that's fine with me. the anti GOP insiders must all be liars, right? The GOP insiders have no track record of this crap,we just need to wait and see and take them at their word.
I will take them at their word over the NRSC.
Hey, side with the GOP insiders. that's fine with me. the anti GOP insiders must all be liars, right? The GOP insiders have no track record of this crap,we just need to wait and see and take them at their word.
I will take them at their word over the NRSC.
Posted by: Ben at August 27, 2010 01:12 PM (wuv1c)
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An end-around to term limits is to simply cut the salaries of Congresscritters to $10K/yr and eliminate all french benefits and cut their staff to three.
An end-around to term limits is to simply cut the salaries of Congresscritters to $10K/yr and eliminate all french benefits and cut their staff to three.
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 01:12 PM (uFokq)
Posted by: David Haase at August 27, 2010 01:13 PM (BP6Z1)
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Ace, I still say they shouldn't give her any help at this stage at all. A "campaign" committee shouldn't be involved in recounts or absentee counts in a primary election.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2010 01:13 PM (T0NGe)
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Ace,
Email Sarah Palin making sure she is aware of the situation. Ask her to look into it.
This may be a whole lotta hubbub about nothing, but someone we trust needs to look into it.. and that sure as shit ain't the NRSC.
Email Sarah Palin making sure she is aware of the situation. Ask her to look into it.
This may be a whole lotta hubbub about nothing, but someone we trust needs to look into it.. and that sure as shit ain't the NRSC.
Posted by: ChiTown Jerry at August 27, 2010 01:13 PM (f9c2L)
Posted by: Lindsay Graham at August 27, 2010 01:14 PM (AZGON)
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An end-around to term limits is to simply cut the salaries of Congresscritters to $10K/yr and eliminate all french benefits and cut their staff to three.
Will legislate for food.
Will legislate for food.
Posted by: toby928 at August 27, 2010 01:14 PM (S5YRY)
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"She cannot do both. Either she seeks the Republican nomination, in
which case she will abide by the will of the Republican voters, or she
can seek another party's nomination, in which case she is not entitled
to any assistance from a party she has departed and declared to be her
opponent."
Shouldn't this already be a given? Did they learn nothing from Scozzofava, Specter, Crist and Tancredo? Egads. John Cornyn needs the Texas voters to jerk a knot in his head and vote him out next primary.
which case she will abide by the will of the Republican voters, or she
can seek another party's nomination, in which case she is not entitled
to any assistance from a party she has departed and declared to be her
opponent."
Shouldn't this already be a given? Did they learn nothing from Scozzofava, Specter, Crist and Tancredo? Egads. John Cornyn needs the Texas voters to jerk a knot in his head and vote him out next primary.
Posted by: Intrepid at August 27, 2010 01:14 PM (92zkk)
Posted by: ingenus at August 27, 2010 01:15 PM (+sBB4)
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I really wanna keep that job, okay? I like it. You understand me, right, you fuckers? Um, you nice people. Nice people. That's what you are.
Posted by: Lisa Murkowski at August 27, 2010 01:16 PM (dCNYz)
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also,
if miller loses, fine, vote for murkowski in the generals.
But I think one of two things will actually happen.
Murkowski wins throught found and struck ballots.
or
Murkowski loses and joins the Libertarian party.
I honestly believe it will be one of those two and if it is, how can you still support an organization like the NRSC?
if miller loses, fine, vote for murkowski in the generals.
But I think one of two things will actually happen.
Murkowski wins throught found and struck ballots.
or
Murkowski loses and joins the Libertarian party.
I honestly believe it will be one of those two and if it is, how can you still support an organization like the NRSC?
Posted by: Ben at August 27, 2010 01:16 PM (wuv1c)
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I just raised hell with the young girl..sorry, but she wouldn't pass me alomg to anyone else...who answered the phone.
i asked what was going on and she said they were "overseeing the process".I asked her what the fuck that meant..and her reply was that they " wanted to make sure the "process was overseen"
Seriously...that's what she fucking said
Iasked her how they got involved. She said that they were there at Murkowski's request. I responded by asking why they would go at ONE candidates request..
...and the idiot on the phone said that it was because she was Republican. Although, I didn't think that it needed to be said...but I reminded her that Miller, too, was a Republican
I repeated my command from a previous call that they should just go fuck themselves
i asked what was going on and she said they were "overseeing the process".I asked her what the fuck that meant..and her reply was that they " wanted to make sure the "process was overseen"
Seriously...that's what she fucking said
Iasked her how they got involved. She said that they were there at Murkowski's request. I responded by asking why they would go at ONE candidates request..
...and the idiot on the phone said that it was because she was Republican. Although, I didn't think that it needed to be said...but I reminded her that Miller, too, was a Republican
I repeated my command from a previous call that they should just go fuck themselves
Posted by: beedubya at August 27, 2010 01:16 PM (AnTyA)
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>>>comment 142 http://minx.cc/?blog=86post=305092#c10743759 Quite, you're right.
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2010 01:12 PM
I would add my assent, but the devil is in the details. Take the Delaware Senate primary for example. Mike Castle is the heavy favorite. I would consider him to be a liberal Republican. He did vote against almost all of the Obamanations in the House though. But his challenger is a conservative. Currently she is not polling nearly as well against the anionted Dem candidate. This may be academic, since Castle is leading against her. But, as in Alaska, when and where do we risk potential wins in order to reduce the RINO count?
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2010 01:12 PM
I would add my assent, but the devil is in the details. Take the Delaware Senate primary for example. Mike Castle is the heavy favorite. I would consider him to be a liberal Republican. He did vote against almost all of the Obamanations in the House though. But his challenger is a conservative. Currently she is not polling nearly as well against the anionted Dem candidate. This may be academic, since Castle is leading against her. But, as in Alaska, when and where do we risk potential wins in order to reduce the RINO count?
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 27, 2010 01:16 PM (R2fpr)
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So yeah I am little pissed with my options in that race.
Then do something about it. Is it surprising that the most well-known candidate won a cattle-call primary? Not to me. No insiders needed. The stupids split the vote again.
That's why you coordinate, so you don't have 7 good candidates going at each other. BTW, that's really how we got Scozzafava, not insider RINOs, but the conservatives were fractured.
Then do something about it. Is it surprising that the most well-known candidate won a cattle-call primary? Not to me. No insiders needed. The stupids split the vote again.
That's why you coordinate, so you don't have 7 good candidates going at each other. BTW, that's really how we got Scozzafava, not insider RINOs, but the conservatives were fractured.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2010 01:17 PM (T0NGe)
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The rand and file Dem congress-scumhavebeen heading forthe cliff for Obama, Pelosi and Reid. The so-called "moderate" Dems are essentially forfeiting their seats in this kamikaze mission in support of the lunatic Dem leadership.(Sorry about mixing metaphors, but I'm pissed.) This is like I view the Confederacy -- the cause stank but you have to admire the selflessness ofthe soldiers.
On the other hand, there's the GOP. It seems to specialize in attracting conniving politicians who will suck at the fundraising teat as long as it's comfortable, and as soon as things start to go sour for them personally, they stab the party in the back. Why do we get the Arlens, Crists, Scozzafavas, Jeffers and Murkowskis?
I hate these people.
On the other hand, there's the GOP. It seems to specialize in attracting conniving politicians who will suck at the fundraising teat as long as it's comfortable, and as soon as things start to go sour for them personally, they stab the party in the back. Why do we get the Arlens, Crists, Scozzafavas, Jeffers and Murkowskis?
I hate these people.
Posted by: Cicero at August 27, 2010 01:17 PM (QKKT0)
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Either we have a democracy or we do not.
Actually we have/had a republic.
Would love to hear T. Coddington's take on this issue. Has he put out a statement yet?
Actually we have/had a republic.
Would love to hear T. Coddington's take on this issue. Has he put out a statement yet?
Posted by: MrCaniac at August 27, 2010 01:17 PM (aaULJ)
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Oh, oh, what BOots said @154. That.
And Ben @ 171. If the GOP lies and cheats and swindles to keep people like Arlen Specter and Lisa Murkowski, then why should we care?
And Ben @ 171. If the GOP lies and cheats and swindles to keep people like Arlen Specter and Lisa Murkowski, then why should we care?
Posted by: Ella at August 27, 2010 01:18 PM (zKypm)
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Am I a purist for wanting to supporting only those candidates who give a shit about the Republican party rather than just their own hack career?
Am I a purist for wanting to supporting only those candidates who give a shit about the Republican party rather than just their own hack career?
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 01:18 PM (uFokq)
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"Lisa Murkowski, in all likelihood, lost. That is how we score things in America."
But what is truth? Is truth unchanging? I find that if you let them crucify a prophet now and then it helps to calm the rabble.
But what is truth? Is truth unchanging? I find that if you let them crucify a prophet now and then it helps to calm the rabble.
Posted by: Pontius Pilate at August 27, 2010 01:18 PM (xxgag)
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>>>Ace, I still say they shouldn't give her any help at this stage at all. A "campaign" committee shouldn't be involved in recounts or absentee counts in a primary election.
I depart with you on that; I think they do owe her advice -- she is a Republican senator, after all. As a member of the party she gets access to its services.
But to help her even as she is offering cash-money for the Libertarian nomination...?
I have to say that really, yesterday's position isn't really abandoned: I sure HOPE they're just keeping this fair and proper.
But they can't keep indulging her when she's trying to buy another party's nomination. At that point they have to extract from her either a promise -- a public one -- or turn on her.
She can't be both a Republican and Libertarian (capital letters, I mean which party she's trying to get the nomination from)>
I depart with you on that; I think they do owe her advice -- she is a Republican senator, after all. As a member of the party she gets access to its services.
But to help her even as she is offering cash-money for the Libertarian nomination...?
I have to say that really, yesterday's position isn't really abandoned: I sure HOPE they're just keeping this fair and proper.
But they can't keep indulging her when she's trying to buy another party's nomination. At that point they have to extract from her either a promise -- a public one -- or turn on her.
She can't be both a Republican and Libertarian (capital letters, I mean which party she's trying to get the nomination from)>
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2010 01:18 PM (QbA6l)
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Ace said ..
However, I am beginning to worry to the point where I thought instead of saying "No they wouldn't do that, it would be too disastrous" to commenters it was really better I should write to Cornyn and tell him "Don't do that, it would be too disastrous." I don't think they get it. I am worried that they don't.
That's why we email, scream shout,Tell them The fight will not stop unless they Decide they truly are the Party of small GVT and listen to the will of the people.
right if murk won ,(i'm a doubting thomas here)shrug , we keep fighting and pressuring them EVERY race, small to executive.
However, I am beginning to worry to the point where I thought instead of saying "No they wouldn't do that, it would be too disastrous" to commenters it was really better I should write to Cornyn and tell him "Don't do that, it would be too disastrous." I don't think they get it. I am worried that they don't.
That's why we email, scream shout,Tell them The fight will not stop unless they Decide they truly are the Party of small GVT and listen to the will of the people.
right if murk won ,(i'm a doubting thomas here)shrug , we keep fighting and pressuring them EVERY race, small to executive.
Posted by: willow at August 27, 2010 01:18 PM (UIwus)
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I'm going to wait until all the facts are in before I hulk out on the internetz.
But if they pull a screw job on Miller, then HE should run as a Libertarian and fuck the race up for Murkowski.
Mutual assured destruction. It's the only way to keep 'em on the level.
We can fight it out honestly in the primaries or neither faction gets a win ever again.
But if they pull a screw job on Miller, then HE should run as a Libertarian and fuck the race up for Murkowski.
Mutual assured destruction. It's the only way to keep 'em on the level.
We can fight it out honestly in the primaries or neither faction gets a win ever again.
Posted by: Warden at August 27, 2010 01:18 PM (fE6tn)
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For you Facebookers here's Cornyn's facebook page.
I think about several thousand comments telling him what will happen to donations if the NRSC meddles in Alaska would be a good thing.
I think about several thousand comments telling him what will happen to donations if the NRSC meddles in Alaska would be a good thing.
Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at August 27, 2010 01:19 PM (OiPfS)
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What this really tells me, in a worst-case scenario, is that "principles" are something that a candidate or elected official will claim to honor, only to abandon when no longer needed. See: McCain, John.
All politicians are simply interested in power. To paraphrase one on the Monty Python TV series, "Speaking as a Generic Candidate, I support anything that gets people looking in my direction."
The Dem voters will do what they always do: vote for Dems because it's a great outlet for the hatred and contempt they feel for America. The Reps are the ones in danger because they want to vote for a candidate who shares their principles. They all say they do. But few of them will do more than "say."
All politicians are simply interested in power. To paraphrase one on the Monty Python TV series, "Speaking as a Generic Candidate, I support anything that gets people looking in my direction."
The Dem voters will do what they always do: vote for Dems because it's a great outlet for the hatred and contempt they feel for America. The Reps are the ones in danger because they want to vote for a candidate who shares their principles. They all say they do. But few of them will do more than "say."
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 27, 2010 01:19 PM (eNxMU)
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It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Sapho
that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a
warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Sapho
that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a
warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
Posted by: Ace of Dune at August 27, 2010 01:19 PM (rMMMP)
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It's imperative that I keep my Senate seat. It's for the children.
Posted by: Lisa Murkowski (R or L) Alaska at August 27, 2010 01:20 PM (QKKT0)
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http://tinyurl.com/26f8ouh
Somehow I don't think this is the answer either. Compare this guy's platform to Dr. Dan's in MI-1
Somehow I don't think this is the answer either. Compare this guy's platform to Dr. Dan's in MI-1
Posted by: Doc at August 27, 2010 01:20 PM (MYT77)
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AmishDude @174 - we got Scozzafava in NY because the party leaders hand-selected her. There was no primary where the "stupids" split their votes among 7 great candidates.
That was 100% GOP brain work.
That was 100% GOP brain work.
Posted by: Ella at August 27, 2010 01:20 PM (zKypm)
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It's not that I'm so personally invested in Joe Miller. I am, but not that much. He came on my radar late.
No one can overcome that Rubio attraction eh?
Joking aside. I don't see how the NRSC can insist on anything from Murky. As part of the Senate Caucus she is their boss. She's not required to explain anything as long as she doesn't ask them to do anything outside their mandate or illegal.
That said I think it's great Ace demands it and everyone else who can demands it because moral persuasion counts a lot more than political persuasion any day.
Any threatening coming from the NRSC staffers is useless because Murky knows if she wins she gets to vote to replace them so their threats are meaningless for her.
No one can overcome that Rubio attraction eh?
Joking aside. I don't see how the NRSC can insist on anything from Murky. As part of the Senate Caucus she is their boss. She's not required to explain anything as long as she doesn't ask them to do anything outside their mandate or illegal.
That said I think it's great Ace demands it and everyone else who can demands it because moral persuasion counts a lot more than political persuasion any day.
Any threatening coming from the NRSC staffers is useless because Murky knows if she wins she gets to vote to replace them so their threats are meaningless for her.
Posted by: Rocks at August 27, 2010 01:20 PM (Q1lie)
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>>>I would add my assent, but the devil is in the details. Take the Delaware Senate primary for example. Mike Castle is the heavy favorite. I would consider him to be a liberal Republican. He did vote against almost all of the Obamanations in the House though. But his challenger is a conservative. Currently she is not polling nearly as well against the anionted Dem candidate. This may be academic, since Castle is leading against her. But, as in Alaska, when and where do we risk potential wins in order to reduce the RINO count?
Well I'd support the challenger in the primary and then castle in the general... it's an easy questin though because the challenger won't win. It would be a harder question if it she was close and you had to evaluate her actual likelihood of winning a general.
RINOs aren't really bad -- they're not. I'm a RINO sometimes. Some of my best friends are RINOs.
RINOs aren't really the enemy... we just would prefer when we can to have a non-RINO.
Well I'd support the challenger in the primary and then castle in the general... it's an easy questin though because the challenger won't win. It would be a harder question if it she was close and you had to evaluate her actual likelihood of winning a general.
RINOs aren't really bad -- they're not. I'm a RINO sometimes. Some of my best friends are RINOs.
RINOs aren't really the enemy... we just would prefer when we can to have a non-RINO.
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2010 01:20 PM (QbA6l)
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"Today Ace" is worried, though, that they might be indulging her a little too much.
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2010 01:11 PM
If you ask me -- and I know you didn't, so it's just a figure of speech -- what "Today's Ace" is learning is that power exerts a strong seductive force over anyone who gets into the pork-filled swamps of high political office.
I'd like to think that Joe Miller, should he win (as I want him to) would be one of the rare exceptions, but so many "principled" Repubs, like damn near every Democrat ever elected, have been unable to resist the siren song of D.C. in the past.
Much as I dislike the concept of term limits, that, along with some kind of prohibition on paid political activity after one leaves office, may be the only solution.
Politics should be a place to serve, not an overflowing trough for pigs to slop out of.
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2010 01:11 PM
If you ask me -- and I know you didn't, so it's just a figure of speech -- what "Today's Ace" is learning is that power exerts a strong seductive force over anyone who gets into the pork-filled swamps of high political office.
I'd like to think that Joe Miller, should he win (as I want him to) would be one of the rare exceptions, but so many "principled" Repubs, like damn near every Democrat ever elected, have been unable to resist the siren song of D.C. in the past.
Much as I dislike the concept of term limits, that, along with some kind of prohibition on paid political activity after one leaves office, may be the only solution.
Politics should be a place to serve, not an overflowing trough for pigs to slop out of.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 27, 2010 01:20 PM (Ulu3i)
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Am I a purist for wanting to supporting only those candidates who give a
shit about the Republican party rather than just their own hack career?
No, you are a racist.
shit about the Republican party rather than just their own hack career?
No, you are a racist.
Posted by: The MFM at August 27, 2010 01:20 PM (AZGON)
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When will these goddamned rubes just let us run the country, Trent? Wait. Is this mic on? Where's my page?You motherfucker; I told you to turn off that.. Uh
I didn't mean any of that. I was telling my page how nice he is and how this reporter named "Mike" is not longer allowed in my office, because, um... I...
I didn't mean any of that. I was telling my page how nice he is and how this reporter named "Mike" is not longer allowed in my office, because, um... I...
Posted by: Lisa Murkowski at August 27, 2010 01:21 PM (dCNYz)
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I appreciate the sentiment, but this can be done more easily than just throwing in the towel and letting the Dems win this election and the next few elections for a generation.
Two other options:
1. Screw Alaska. If Murkowski wins, don't vote for her.
2. Screw the Senate. It doesn't really help us this time around if we pick up the Senate anyway. We need the House to stop the Democrats, but we still won't be able to accomplish anything until 2012 if we take the Senate. We'll just be used as a punching bag. So, if Murkowski wins with RNC help, still go vote in 2010...just, if you want to sit this out, don't vote for the Senator.
If you actually want to boycott the elections, this would get the message across without shooting ourselves in the foot or just giving up.
Two other options:
1. Screw Alaska. If Murkowski wins, don't vote for her.
2. Screw the Senate. It doesn't really help us this time around if we pick up the Senate anyway. We need the House to stop the Democrats, but we still won't be able to accomplish anything until 2012 if we take the Senate. We'll just be used as a punching bag. So, if Murkowski wins with RNC help, still go vote in 2010...just, if you want to sit this out, don't vote for the Senator.
If you actually want to boycott the elections, this would get the message across without shooting ourselves in the foot or just giving up.
Posted by: AD at August 27, 2010 01:21 PM (UnMRd)
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I understand why people are rightly upset at politicians, but we also need to realize they won't agree with us 95% of the time. For example, I'm a big fan of Paul Ryan, but he's said done some things I don't like. But does that mean he's a RINO? No. Perfect purity will never occur in politics; it just won't.
/Please don't say the Founders or Ronald Reagan, because I'm sure some here disagree with some decisions by the Founders, remember some things that's Reagan did that he shouldn't have.
/Please don't say the Founders or Ronald Reagan, because I'm sure some here disagree with some decisions by the Founders, remember some things that's Reagan did that he shouldn't have.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 01:21 PM (yfJ6g)
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First, let not all start zipping up our pants just yet.
Two, she may win the recount, in which case its all moot and the lost Maine triplet will remain a 50% friend.
C, if we win the house, an unfortunate circumstance of two dem senators from alaska would suck, but the gop house could stop some major crap.
Cuatro, I am proud of the gop house they are a wall, and f u NRSC.
5. Good job with Spector and Crist NRSC and f u.
Two, she may win the recount, in which case its all moot and the lost Maine triplet will remain a 50% friend.
C, if we win the house, an unfortunate circumstance of two dem senators from alaska would suck, but the gop house could stop some major crap.
Cuatro, I am proud of the gop house they are a wall, and f u NRSC.
5. Good job with Spector and Crist NRSC and f u.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 27, 2010 01:21 PM (L8kaT)
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2010 01:21 PM (QbA6l)
Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at August 27, 2010 01:22 PM (oL8lS)
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I just deleted my first reaction to this before posting. There's no good way to say the only thing I have to say about this.
There are sacrifices I will not ask people to make.
There are sacrifices I will not ask people to make.
Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at August 27, 2010 01:22 PM (IkEhE)
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Dear Ella at 156,
Thank you for your comments. But I respectfully disagree.
Are you doing all that you can to take back the party? Are you a precinct captain? Are you attending to your local Republican meeetings? Do you speak out if conservatives come under attack at those meetings? Do you restate conservative principles to fellow travelers?
We have to fight. I am a pricinct captain. I walk neighborhoods going door-to-door educating my neighbors. At meetings I speak up should the leaders criticize the "followers" of conservative leaders in my state. I am a regular pain-in-the-ass.
It is ironic that if I stated that enlisted men should frag their officers, I am sure not a few of my liberal neighbors would respond, "Oh, that is interesting".
This is not going to be easy. The corruptacrats in both parties are not going to surrender their power easily.
The question-how hard are you going to fight?
Thank you for your comments. But I respectfully disagree.
Are you doing all that you can to take back the party? Are you a precinct captain? Are you attending to your local Republican meeetings? Do you speak out if conservatives come under attack at those meetings? Do you restate conservative principles to fellow travelers?
We have to fight. I am a pricinct captain. I walk neighborhoods going door-to-door educating my neighbors. At meetings I speak up should the leaders criticize the "followers" of conservative leaders in my state. I am a regular pain-in-the-ass.
It is ironic that if I stated that enlisted men should frag their officers, I am sure not a few of my liberal neighbors would respond, "Oh, that is interesting".
This is not going to be easy. The corruptacrats in both parties are not going to surrender their power easily.
The question-how hard are you going to fight?
Posted by: Scoob at August 27, 2010 01:22 PM (T7+JL)
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When the NRSC gets done shitting it's nest full, there will be quite a crowd with shovels standing around to clean them out. They are making few friends, and many enemies.
Posted by: maddogg at August 27, 2010 01:22 PM (OlN4e)
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I don't see how the NRSC can insist on anything from Murky. As part of
the Senate Caucus she is their boss. She's not required to explain
anything as long as she doesn't ask them to do anything outside their
mandate or illegal.
I tend to agree. I don't buy this argument that the NRSC is there to hold her little hand and calm her down. She calls the shots. The NRSC works for her, she does NRSC fundraising occasionally as others have noted.
the Senate Caucus she is their boss. She's not required to explain
anything as long as she doesn't ask them to do anything outside their
mandate or illegal.
I tend to agree. I don't buy this argument that the NRSC is there to hold her little hand and calm her down. She calls the shots. The NRSC works for her, she does NRSC fundraising occasionally as others have noted.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 01:23 PM (AZGON)
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Cornyn is a turdbag. I've said it before (about specter, crist) and I'll keep saying it- smelly, self-interested lying sack of turds.
Cornyn is a turdbag. I've said it before (about specter, crist) and I'll keep saying it- smelly, self-interested lying sack of turds.
Posted by: Dang Straights at August 27, 2010 01:23 PM (fx8sm)
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Hey, side with the GOP insiders. that's fine with me. the anti GOP insiders must all be liars, right?
They have an agenda. They are referencing anonymous sources who, according to you, come from a group that has an agenda. Taking on face value unsourced reports from a group of people with an axe to grind is not a good idea.
You're confusing opinion with fact.
You apparently don't work in a field where you need to collect and analyze data. Garbage in, garbage out.
They have an agenda. They are referencing anonymous sources who, according to you, come from a group that has an agenda. Taking on face value unsourced reports from a group of people with an axe to grind is not a good idea.
You're confusing opinion with fact.
You apparently don't work in a field where you need to collect and analyze data. Garbage in, garbage out.
Posted by: Y-not at August 27, 2010 01:23 PM (4/eCJ)
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>>> I don't see how the NRSC can insist on anything from Murky. As part of the Senate Caucus she is their boss. She's not required to explain anything as long as she doesn't ask them to do anything outside their mandate or illegal.
Yeah, "Yesterday Ace" was all about asking what possible leverage we have on this woman. "Today Ace" Forgot all about that question.
Still... shot across the bow and all that.
Yeah, "Yesterday Ace" was all about asking what possible leverage we have on this woman. "Today Ace" Forgot all about that question.
Still... shot across the bow and all that.
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2010 01:23 PM (QbA6l)
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 01:23 PM (uFokq)
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I understand why people are rightly upset at politicians, but we also need to realize they won't agree with us 95% of the time.
There's two ways to read that, you know.
I know which way I'm reading it these days.
I understand why people are rightly upset at politicians, but we also need to realize they won't agree with us 95% of the time.
There's two ways to read that, you know.
I know which way I'm reading it these days.
Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at August 27, 2010 01:23 PM (IkEhE)
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And sweaters. Libertarians love sweaters. Angora sweaters.
Posted by: glenn1orglenda1? at August 27, 2010 01:24 PM (3phFo)
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It's obvious to nearly everyone that the administration is tone deaf - it's not on display as much but the RNC is too.
Instead of differentiating themselves they've chosen to try to win by default.
Middle of the road.
Instead of differentiating themselves they've chosen to try to win by default.
Middle of the road.
Posted by: oh, Hi Mark at August 27, 2010 01:24 PM (Af+JI)
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So, is this a retraction of a correction? Or a correction of a retraction?
Posted by: ingenus at August 27, 2010 01:25 PM (+sBB4)
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IMO everyone is getting worked up about not too much. Including Miller. The NRSC is sending one lawyer to Alaska. So f**cing what.
What exactly is one lawyer going to do about how many people voted for who? Is he a majic vote lawyer or something that can bring in another couple of thousand votes for Murkowskey? No.
Is the NRSC going to sue Alaska if Murkowskey loses? No.
Could she have hired her own lawyer which would probably do alot more mischief then the NRSC lawyer? Absolutely.
If it turns out that they f*ck us then I'll change my mind but I am not willing to lay down and let the democrats win this thing.
What exactly is one lawyer going to do about how many people voted for who? Is he a majic vote lawyer or something that can bring in another couple of thousand votes for Murkowskey? No.
Is the NRSC going to sue Alaska if Murkowskey loses? No.
Could she have hired her own lawyer which would probably do alot more mischief then the NRSC lawyer? Absolutely.
If it turns out that they f*ck us then I'll change my mind but I am not willing to lay down and let the democrats win this thing.
Posted by: robtr at August 27, 2010 01:25 PM (fwSHf)
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Posted by: ace at August 27, 2010 01:21 PM (QbA6l)
I'm beginning to think this blog is for us to help you
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2010 01:21 PM (QbA6l)
I'm beginning to think this blog is for us to help you
Posted by: Stan at August 27, 2010 01:25 PM (VQ7Ec)
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194 I take it you're one of those people that caused me to get stuck with ObamaCare for the rest of my life b/c you were more interested in teaching the Party a lesson? Yeah, thanks for that. All you idiots that sat-out the last two elections for that reason can just sod-off, IMO.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 01:26 PM (yfJ6g)
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So, is this a retraction of a correction? Or a correction of a retraction?
It's a corrected retraction of a conniption.
So, is this a retraction of a correction? Or a correction of a retraction?
It's a corrected retraction of a conniption.
Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at August 27, 2010 01:26 PM (IkEhE)
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So, is this a retraction of a correction? Or a correction of a retraction?
Posted by: ingenus at August 27, 2010 01:25 PM (+sBB4)I don't know but it you figure it out, could you let me know?
Posted by: ingenus at August 27, 2010 01:25 PM (+sBB4)I don't know but it you figure it out, could you let me know?
Posted by: Levi Johnston at August 27, 2010 01:26 PM (xxgag)
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In a week or two, when all the votes are counted and the result is agreed upon, maybe we can start a good old-fashioned purge. Obviously, there's a deep fear that we're heading directly to a monarchy as a result of a lawyer taking a flight to Alaska, so there's no time to lose! Find every candidate who doesn't hew precisely to "Tea Party" views (which change daily, but you'll just have to keep up) and vote for his Dem opponent. That way we don't become like them.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 27, 2010 01:26 PM (h6kb0)
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Circular firing squad, return to the barracks.
Posted by: toby928 at August 27, 2010 01:27 PM (S5YRY)
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Seriously, thanks for talking me down, I appreciate it...
I also laughed at most of the jokes at my expense -- I deserved them, and they were funny.
I also laughed at most of the jokes at my expense -- I deserved them, and they were funny.
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2010 01:27 PM (QbA6l)
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Welcome to libertarianism. We accept walk-ins.
Posted by: Evil Red Scandi at August 27, 2010 12:49 PM
Also looks like you'll accept sore losers who are Rino's. Hell, you'll even have your own libertarian candidate roll over like a dog for Murky. If the Libertarians do this I will have zero respect for them. There are many things about Libertarians I find attractive, but if they start pulling these tricks they are no better than anyone.
Posted by: Evil Red Scandi at August 27, 2010 12:49 PM
Also looks like you'll accept sore losers who are Rino's. Hell, you'll even have your own libertarian candidate roll over like a dog for Murky. If the Libertarians do this I will have zero respect for them. There are many things about Libertarians I find attractive, but if they start pulling these tricks they are no better than anyone.
Posted by: Bruce The Robert at August 27, 2010 01:27 PM (gsT1r)
Posted by: Dang Straights at August 27, 2010 01:27 PM (fx8sm)
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Ace of Spaces HQ: The Dextrosphere's Beloved Cry For Help
Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at August 27, 2010 01:28 PM (IkEhE)
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I'll repeat, the real tragedy here is that Miller didn't win the Republican primary with a clear margin. One hoped Alaskan Republicans had better sense than this.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 01:28 PM (AZGON)
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I just deleted my first reaction to this before posting. There's no good way to say the only thing I have to say about this.There are sacrifices I will not ask people to make.
Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs
Ask Orwell and Zimriel. They're already under the desk.
Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs
Ask Orwell and Zimriel. They're already under the desk.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 27, 2010 01:28 PM (R2fpr)
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Helping her is thus contrary to the NRSC's mission.
But Ace! But Ace! What if she ran as a Republican, took all the money that's allocated for Republican candidates, and then drops out of the race two days before the election and endorses the Democrat? Would that be OK?
But Ace! But Ace! What if she ran as a Republican, took all the money that's allocated for Republican candidates, and then drops out of the race two days before the election and endorses the Democrat? Would that be OK?
Posted by: FireHorse at August 27, 2010 01:28 PM (sWynj)
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I wrote Cornyn yesterday and expressed my intention to give money and my vote to his primary challenger if the NRSC interferes in the Alaska primary. The problem is that he isn't up again until 2014. I assured him that I will remember that long. Whether he finds that threat credible remains to be seen.
Posted by: Phil Smith at August 27, 2010 01:28 PM (n+cpx)
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RINOs aren't really bad -- they're not. I'm a RINO sometimes. Some of my best friends are RINOs.
RINOs aren't really the enemy... we just would prefer when we can to have a non-RINO.
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2010 01:20 PM (QbA6l)
I don't know what RINO's you're talking about but when I say the enemy are in the party as RINO's, I'm talking about the ones that give their yea votes to get ObamaCare out of committee (where it could have died), who vote for socialist SC nominations who have perjured themselves, who switch parties the moment the time is right, etc...
If that's you, then I've definitely been reading a different AoS.
I'm not talking about some decadent standard of 100% conservative purity. I am talking about RINO's.
RINOs aren't really the enemy... we just would prefer when we can to have a non-RINO.
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2010 01:20 PM (QbA6l)
I don't know what RINO's you're talking about but when I say the enemy are in the party as RINO's, I'm talking about the ones that give their yea votes to get ObamaCare out of committee (where it could have died), who vote for socialist SC nominations who have perjured themselves, who switch parties the moment the time is right, etc...
If that's you, then I've definitely been reading a different AoS.
I'm not talking about some decadent standard of 100% conservative purity. I am talking about RINO's.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at August 27, 2010 01:28 PM (QUssN)
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Don't you guys understand? It's all about meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Posted by: Lisa Murkowski at August 27, 2010 01:28 PM (dCNYz)
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Can't we all just get along?
Posted by: Rodney King Vorhees (R - Vichy) at August 27, 2010 01:29 PM (xxgag)
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Has Ace been bamboozling us?
I remember when Ace ran amok at the Winter Carnival and climbed the Chrysler building. He'll never work in this town again.
I remember when Ace ran amok at the Winter Carnival and climbed the Chrysler building. He'll never work in this town again.
Posted by: toby928 at August 27, 2010 01:29 PM (S5YRY)
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Has Ace been bamboozling us? Have we been hornswaggled?
Posted by: Dang Straights at August 27, 2010 01:27 PM (fx8sm)
Nope it was the hokey doke. Plain and simple.
Posted by: Dang Straights at August 27, 2010 01:27 PM (fx8sm)
Nope it was the hokey doke. Plain and simple.
Posted by: robtr at August 27, 2010 01:29 PM (fwSHf)
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I want to know who this one staff lawyer is. He must be a powerful MoFo if everyone is so freaked out he showed up.
Posted by: DrewM. at August 27, 2010 01:30 PM (X/Lqh)
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I am the purest of all. Ace poured pancake flour all over me.
Posted by: Carmen Electra at August 27, 2010 01:30 PM (+sBB4)
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okay now I know Ace is hoodwinking us; he doesn't think anyone except him is funny.
Indeed, we have had one of Ace's famous treatise on what is and what is not funny in a long time. We are overdue.
okay now I know Ace is hoodwinking us; he doesn't think anyone except him is funny.
Indeed, we have had one of Ace's famous treatise on what is and what is not funny in a long time. We are overdue.
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 01:30 PM (uFokq)
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Check out Alaska at the NRSC senate race page:
http://www.nrsc.org/senate_races
Picking a winner already?
http://www.nrsc.org/senate_races
Picking a winner already?
Posted by: ef at August 27, 2010 01:30 PM (iWQHK)
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Seriously, thanks for talking me down, I appreciate it...
I also laughed at most of the jokes at my expense -- I deserved them, and they were funny.
Posted by: ace
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That'll teach ya (maybe) not to drink out of an open bottle when offered by a hobo..
(Some day I'll tell you my story about a swig from a vodka bottle on Halloween night and the fun drive I had afterwards!)
I also laughed at most of the jokes at my expense -- I deserved them, and they were funny.
Posted by: ace
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That'll teach ya (maybe) not to drink out of an open bottle when offered by a hobo..
(Some day I'll tell you my story about a swig from a vodka bottle on Halloween night and the fun drive I had afterwards!)
Posted by: ChiTown Jerry at August 27, 2010 01:30 PM (f9c2L)
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Ask Orwell and Zimriel. They're already under the desk.
Umph um umph... Sorry, did someone call? I was busy.
Umph um umph... Sorry, did someone call? I was busy.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 01:31 PM (AZGON)
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If only there were some sort of organization that would generally support principled Republicans that have a chance of winning instead of incumbent hacks and RINOs. Some organization better respected than the NRCC or the NRSC. Headed by someone less self-absorbed than Steele....
Just sayin', y'know?
Just sayin', y'know?
Posted by: SarahPAC at August 27, 2010 01:31 PM (/0IOT)
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Waiting on Sarah Palin...............
Posted by: dagny at August 27, 2010 01:31 PM (4oIRO)
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I still think Miller will prevail. Murky? back to the shadows with you demon!
It would be funny if she purchased the Libertarians with money, their credibility would instantly evaporate and they would be finished in Alaska. In fact, if they are even talking to her their credibility takes on the persona of a street whore negotiation the price of a knob job with some john stopped at the side of the road.
It would be funny if she purchased the Libertarians with money, their credibility would instantly evaporate and they would be finished in Alaska. In fact, if they are even talking to her their credibility takes on the persona of a street whore negotiation the price of a knob job with some john stopped at the side of the road.
Posted by: maddogg at August 27, 2010 01:31 PM (OlN4e)
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Now if one side seems to believe they have a special license, a special
prerogative, to change the rules in the middle of the game... well,
then.
Political Calvinball.
prerogative, to change the rules in the middle of the game... well,
then.
Political Calvinball.
Posted by: Bomber at August 27, 2010 01:31 PM (qzoN5)
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I'm now incredibly ticked. Most of you areseasoned conservatives who can afford to fight for "perfect purity".Please rememberthat some of ushave to live with your choices for the rest of our lives.
Also remember thatyou can't complain about Obama if you were willing to sit at home allow his to be elected. I didn't likeMcCain, but I still voted for Sarah.
Silence is approval.
Also remember thatyou can't complain about Obama if you were willing to sit at home allow his to be elected. I didn't likeMcCain, but I still voted for Sarah.
Silence is approval.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 01:32 PM (yfJ6g)
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RINOs aren't really bad -- they're not. I'm a RINO sometimes. Some of my best friends are RINOs.
Inside every RINO is a Reichwing American trying to get out.
Inside every RINO is a Reichwing American trying to get out.
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 27, 2010 01:33 PM (xxgag)
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Check out Alaska at the NRSC senate race page:http://www.nrsc.org/senate_racesPicking
a winner already?
Well, well. No bias there. But we have zero mathematical evidence about the NRSC's intentions, so everyone shut up.
a winner already?
Well, well. No bias there. But we have zero mathematical evidence about the NRSC's intentions, so everyone shut up.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 01:33 PM (AZGON)
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How can Murkowski give money from her Republican campaign to the Libertarian Party if it came from the NRSC?
Christ already spent his so there was nothing to give back.
Christ already spent his so there was nothing to give back.
Posted by: cbullitt at August 27, 2010 01:33 PM (M/WbE)
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226 I don't know what RINO's you're talking about but when I say the enemy are in the party as RINO's, I'm talking about the ones that give their yea votes to get ObamaCare out of committee (where it could have died), who vote for socialist SC nominations who have perjured themselves, who switch parties the moment the time is right, etc...
That at least makes much more sense, because they are our enemies. But what about the people who vote conservative 85-95% of the time? Are we going to vote them out, too?
That at least makes much more sense, because they are our enemies. But what about the people who vote conservative 85-95% of the time? Are we going to vote them out, too?
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 01:34 PM (yfJ6g)
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There is nothing that a campaign committee should be doing at this point. It's a recount. There is no campaigning left to do.
Pre-fucking-zactly.
Pre-fucking-zactly.
Posted by: sherlock at August 27, 2010 01:35 PM (thr9V)
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You know what's really funny? All those ass-kissers, and you know who are, yesterday who kept coming in and saying, "Right on, Ace! I wish those purists would just shut up and stop their bitching because they're helping Obama win!," are pretty quiet right now.
You know what's really funny? All those ass-kissers, and you know who are, yesterday who kept coming in and saying, "Right on, Ace! I wish those purists would just shut up and stop their bitching because they're helping Obama win!," are pretty quiet right now.
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 01:35 PM (uFokq)
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There will be ups and downs. We just gotta keep fighting to retake the GOP.
Posted by: Dan at August 27, 2010 01:36 PM (1jzSs)
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Check out Alaska at the NRSC senate race page:http://www.nrsc.org/senate_racesPicking a winner already?
Posted by: ef at August 27, 2010 01:30 PM (iWQHK)
Oh fer cryin out loud. That web page says who the two sitting senators are. She is the senator for Alaska, she is in the middle of a 2010 election.
I'll be right back. I want to go buy some ALCOA stock.
Posted by: ef at August 27, 2010 01:30 PM (iWQHK)
Oh fer cryin out loud. That web page says who the two sitting senators are. She is the senator for Alaska, she is in the middle of a 2010 election.
I'll be right back. I want to go buy some ALCOA stock.
Posted by: robtr at August 27, 2010 01:36 PM (fwSHf)
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207 195 5% of the time, sorry.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 01:36 PM (yfJ6g)
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Also remember thatyou can't complain about Obama if you were willing to sit at home allow his to be elected. I didn't likeMcCain, but I still voted for Sarah.
Silence is approval.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby
Agreed. What bothers me about this issue is that if I vote for qausi-RINO Mike Castle, then he gets an advantage in the NRSC that would make it harder for future, more conservative challengers to take on. I think that this quandry is driving the pent up frustration I'm seing here (except for Zimriel and Orwell, who seem to have 'latched' on to an avenue of release). We see here an opportunity to replace a RINO careerist with a conservative, with the prospect of victory in the general, and it may very well be stymied by the NRSC. Or not. Gee politics is fun.
Silence is approval.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby
Agreed. What bothers me about this issue is that if I vote for qausi-RINO Mike Castle, then he gets an advantage in the NRSC that would make it harder for future, more conservative challengers to take on. I think that this quandry is driving the pent up frustration I'm seing here (except for Zimriel and Orwell, who seem to have 'latched' on to an avenue of release). We see here an opportunity to replace a RINO careerist with a conservative, with the prospect of victory in the general, and it may very well be stymied by the NRSC. Or not. Gee politics is fun.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 27, 2010 01:37 PM (R2fpr)
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How can Murkowski give money from her Republican campaign to the Libertarian Party if it came from the NRSC?
I'm trying to figure out how it's not a bribe, straight up. Presuming the story is true, yadda yadda yadda.
I'm trying to figure out how it's not a bribe, straight up. Presuming the story is true, yadda yadda yadda.
Posted by: alexthechick at August 27, 2010 01:37 PM (eRjGt)
Posted by: The People Who Were Yelling "Jump" at August 27, 2010 01:37 PM (Hj0nA)
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My questions to the NRSC:
Watching the Alaska primary aftermath unfold, some questions are rolling around in my head. Please indulge:
1.
Whoever the winner is will be the representative of the party on the
ballot in November. Appearing to interfere in the process and overturn,
or influence, the results is likely to alienate the roughly 50% of the
voters that showed up for Miller. What strategy does the NRSC have for mitigating the loss of nearly half if it's reliable voter base if they decide to stay home in protest?
2.
Whoever the winner is will be the representative of the party on the
ballot in November. Will Miller be, or feel, welcome in the party that
tried to keep him off the ballot should he emerge the winner? Should
the party make an effort to be transparently
impartial in the absentee and validation process so that the eventual
winner can be seen as a true part of the party they are selected to
represent?
3. Both Miller and Murkowski are members of the Republican Party.
Both are seeking the same office Does the NRSC owe the same level of
loyalty to all of it's members, or is it the policy of the NRSC to favor
some members over others? What criteria exist for that favoritism?
4.
The party is an organization that operates within a democratic system
of government, and relies on the trust of the electorate. Is there
concern within the NRSC that interfering, or being seen to interfere, in
the process may cause an erosion of trust in the party even beyond the
borders of Alaska? Is there concern that the absence of trust that the
party exists to represent the people may cause voters to seek
alternative outlets for their votes, or to not vote at all? Would a loss
of
voter confidence as described above ultimately hurt the republican
party by causing some number of elections to go to the democrat on slim
margins that might otherwise have been won?
5. Is a fight to
save a candidate that lost despite a huge advantage based on incumbency,
name recognition and spending a responsible use of the limited funds
that the NRSC has at it's disposal?
6. With more and more
money going to candidates directly, rather than through the major party
committees, is there concern that the perception of these actions will
further limit the ability of the NRSC to positively influence elections
in the future?
Watching the Alaska primary aftermath unfold, some questions are rolling around in my head. Please indulge:
1.
Whoever the winner is will be the representative of the party on the
ballot in November. Appearing to interfere in the process and overturn,
or influence, the results is likely to alienate the roughly 50% of the
voters that showed up for Miller. What strategy does the NRSC have for mitigating the loss of nearly half if it's reliable voter base if they decide to stay home in protest?
2.
Whoever the winner is will be the representative of the party on the
ballot in November. Will Miller be, or feel, welcome in the party that
tried to keep him off the ballot should he emerge the winner? Should
the party make an effort to be transparently
impartial in the absentee and validation process so that the eventual
winner can be seen as a true part of the party they are selected to
represent?
3. Both Miller and Murkowski are members of the Republican Party.
Both are seeking the same office Does the NRSC owe the same level of
loyalty to all of it's members, or is it the policy of the NRSC to favor
some members over others? What criteria exist for that favoritism?
4.
The party is an organization that operates within a democratic system
of government, and relies on the trust of the electorate. Is there
concern within the NRSC that interfering, or being seen to interfere, in
the process may cause an erosion of trust in the party even beyond the
borders of Alaska? Is there concern that the absence of trust that the
party exists to represent the people may cause voters to seek
alternative outlets for their votes, or to not vote at all? Would a loss
of
voter confidence as described above ultimately hurt the republican
party by causing some number of elections to go to the democrat on slim
margins that might otherwise have been won?
5. Is a fight to
save a candidate that lost despite a huge advantage based on incumbency,
name recognition and spending a responsible use of the limited funds
that the NRSC has at it's disposal?
6. With more and more
money going to candidates directly, rather than through the major party
committees, is there concern that the perception of these actions will
further limit the ability of the NRSC to positively influence elections
in the future?
Posted by: ef at August 27, 2010 01:38 PM (iWQHK)
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RINOs aren't really bad -- they're not. I'm a RINO sometimes. Some of my best friends are RINOs. RINOs aren't really the enemy... we just would prefer when we can to have a non-RINO.
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2010 01:20 PM (QbA6l)
Breaking: Ace admits to being a RINO sometimes
-half of the moron nation responds by saying, "Nooooooooooooooooo!"
-half of the moron nationresponds by saying, "We told you so!"
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2010 01:20 PM (QbA6l)
Breaking: Ace admits to being a RINO sometimes
-half of the moron nation responds by saying, "Nooooooooooooooooo!"
-half of the moron nationresponds by saying, "We told you so!"
Posted by: a moron passed out on the floor at August 27, 2010 01:38 PM (YVZlY)
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I'll be right back. I want to go buy some ALCOA stock.
I've got plenty if'n you want to borrow some.
I've got plenty if'n you want to borrow some.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 01:38 PM (AZGON)
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How can Murkowski give money from her Republican campaign to the Libertarian Party if it came from the NRSC? Christ already spent his so there was nothing to give back.
Posted by: cbullitt at August 27, 2010 01:33 PM (M/WbE)
It's her money no matter who it came from. She can use it for anything, almost, related to running for office. If she retires she can actual keep part of it her her personal use I believe.
Posted by: cbullitt at August 27, 2010 01:33 PM (M/WbE)
It's her money no matter who it came from. She can use it for anything, almost, related to running for office. If she retires she can actual keep part of it her her personal use I believe.
Posted by: Rocks at August 27, 2010 01:38 PM (Q1lie)
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18 I've already decided to never again donate to official GOP groups and instead to the individual candidates, i suggest you all do the same
Ben, I'm already wearin' that t-shirt.
Ben, I'm already wearin' that t-shirt.
Posted by: NM Hick at August 27, 2010 01:38 PM (IzuWw)
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Waiting on Sarah Palin...............
Hmmm.
Hmmm.
Posted by: Samuel Beckett at August 27, 2010 01:39 PM (i3Be+)
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Much as I dislike the concept of term limits, that, along with some kind of prohibition on paid political activity after one leaves office, may be the only solution.Politics should be a place to serve, not an overflowing trough for pigs to slop out of.
I agree with this sentiment, remember the U.S. Senate is referred to as the world's most exclusive club, the members are not going to relinquish their privilege that easily. That said, I'm reserving judgment on l'affaire Murkowski until there's some more information.( Does anyone know how the founders came up with a six year term for senators, and only two for House Reps?)
I agree with this sentiment, remember the U.S. Senate is referred to as the world's most exclusive club, the members are not going to relinquish their privilege that easily. That said, I'm reserving judgment on l'affaire Murkowski until there's some more information.( Does anyone know how the founders came up with a six year term for senators, and only two for House Reps?)
Posted by: kallisto at August 27, 2010 01:39 PM (+FkcS)
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That also means she can give it away too.
Posted by: Rocks at August 27, 2010 01:39 PM (Q1lie)
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"We Had a Deal!?!?"
Posted by: George Costanza at August 27, 2010 01:40 PM (i3Be+)
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Don't worry. They had a spontaneous change of heart at the exact instant that Ace did. It's called the "Charles Johnson Effect" and is known to lurk dormant on conservative blogs until conditions are just right for an outbreak.
Don't worry. They had a spontaneous change of heart at the exact instant that Ace did. It's called the "Charles Johnson Effect" and is known to lurk dormant on conservative blogs until conditions are just right for an outbreak.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 27, 2010 01:40 PM (h6kb0)
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I'm not sure I'll be able to sleep tonight wondering what Tomorrow Ace will be like. It's like Christmas.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 27, 2010 01:40 PM (VW9/y)
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How can Murkowski give money from her
Republican campaign to the Libertarian Party if it came from the NRSC?
Money is fungible.
Republican campaign to the Libertarian Party if it came from the NRSC?
Money is fungible.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 27, 2010 01:41 PM (Hj0nA)
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Hey, where is our daily double post? It's not a real AOSHQ without a double post.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 01:41 PM (AZGON)
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That at least makes much more sense, because they are our enemies. But what about the people who vote conservative 85-95% of the time? Are we going to vote them out, too?
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 01:34 PM (yfJ6g)
I don't know. Gotta go race by race. But that question exists in a world where you have an idea how the opposing candidate is really going to vote by what they tell you beforehand. And we're a really long way off from that, anyway. So we start by purging the people we're pretty sure are nanny state control freaks from the party, in the hopes that the people who replace them are not.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 01:34 PM (yfJ6g)
I don't know. Gotta go race by race. But that question exists in a world where you have an idea how the opposing candidate is really going to vote by what they tell you beforehand. And we're a really long way off from that, anyway. So we start by purging the people we're pretty sure are nanny state control freaks from the party, in the hopes that the people who replace them are not.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at August 27, 2010 01:41 PM (QUssN)
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I'm not sure I'll be able to sleep tonight wondering what Tomorrow Ace will be like. It's like Christmas.
Posted by: JackStraw
If you detect something dripping from your stocking, do NOT open it.
Posted by: JackStraw
If you detect something dripping from your stocking, do NOT open it.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 27, 2010 01:42 PM (R2fpr)
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For all we know, the heavy sent by the NRSC could be there to talk her out of doing something with the a third party? I bet the Rubio +10 polls have some influence.
Posted by: Jean at August 27, 2010 01:42 PM (3Ds00)
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OK, glad everyone is starting to calm down. Let's step back and look at the big picture.
First, if she wins fairly, it's not like having Franken steal the election(she's probably better than Coleman anyway). We will still have a republican there that has been a much more reliable vote than either of the Maine scrunts. Not ideal, not who we want, but still not a Democrat. This Tea Party thhing has been going for a year and a half. That's it. We're working against 80 years of liberal creep. It will be a long, uphill battle for us, but look where we have gotten in 18 months. When have you ever seen sitting senators lose or even get seriously challenged in primaries?
Now let's look at what has happened to our country in the same 18 months. If we just say 'fuck it' now and let the Dems win, this country is done. Sure, it might turn into a revolution eventually, but take a minute to think that through. No sane person could ever want that.
Now, take two minutes to send Joe Miller some money to help with this so we can win this (minor) battle as well. We have four years before we can bounce Cornyn's ass out of Texas.
First, if she wins fairly, it's not like having Franken steal the election(she's probably better than Coleman anyway). We will still have a republican there that has been a much more reliable vote than either of the Maine scrunts. Not ideal, not who we want, but still not a Democrat. This Tea Party thhing has been going for a year and a half. That's it. We're working against 80 years of liberal creep. It will be a long, uphill battle for us, but look where we have gotten in 18 months. When have you ever seen sitting senators lose or even get seriously challenged in primaries?
Now let's look at what has happened to our country in the same 18 months. If we just say 'fuck it' now and let the Dems win, this country is done. Sure, it might turn into a revolution eventually, but take a minute to think that through. No sane person could ever want that.
Now, take two minutes to send Joe Miller some money to help with this so we can win this (minor) battle as well. We have four years before we can bounce Cornyn's ass out of Texas.
Posted by: Countrysquire at August 27, 2010 01:42 PM (e910j)
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This is exactly the reason I have stopped commenting so much at the HQ.
Everytime we disagree with any of the cobloggers we get reamed in the comments. Now comes a "my bad" today.
Just tired of getting beat up from all sides.
Everytime we disagree with any of the cobloggers we get reamed in the comments. Now comes a "my bad" today.
Just tired of getting beat up from all sides.
Posted by: mpfs at August 27, 2010 01:43 PM (iYbLN)
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just put me on record for being one of the few who said Firelight had a legitimate point in saying the GOP powers were out of touch with the base.
just put me on record for being one of the few who said Firelight had a legitimate point in saying the GOP powers were out of touch with the base.
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 01:43 PM (uFokq)
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Talked to someone... whoever answers phones over there. They say the Miller camp has never contacted them until just now... That they are planning to add hime to the NRSC web page.. that they are only there to ensure that the process goes properly.
That's their version anyway.
That's their version anyway.
Posted by: ef at August 27, 2010 01:43 PM (iWQHK)
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Hey, where is our daily double post? It's not a real AOSHQ without a double post.
Posted by: George Orwell
Just what everybody wants to hear as they're climbing through the window after standing on a ledge.
Posted by: George Orwell
Just what everybody wants to hear as they're climbing through the window after standing on a ledge.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 27, 2010 01:43 PM (R2fpr)
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"I'm not sure I'll be able to sleep tonight wondering what Tomorrow Ace will be like. It's like Christmas."
Or like when my mom was going through menopause.....we never knew if she would sit and enjoy dinner with us, or get up and run to the door, fling it open and let the 30 degree winds blow in. Many were the dinners Pop and I sat through with chattering teeth.....
Or like when my mom was going through menopause.....we never knew if she would sit and enjoy dinner with us, or get up and run to the door, fling it open and let the 30 degree winds blow in. Many were the dinners Pop and I sat through with chattering teeth.....
Posted by: Intrepid at August 27, 2010 01:44 PM (92zkk)
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OT: Sharron Angle's new ad is down and dirty. Like Body Heat except more sultry.
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 27, 2010 01:44 PM (xxgag)
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"even if it means living under socialist rule for a generation"
Who says we let you live komrade?
Who says we let you live komrade?
Posted by: Josef Stalin at August 27, 2010 01:44 PM (a8p0Q)
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Does anyone know how the founders came up with a six year term for
senators, and only two for House Reps?
Don't know off the top of the head, but it's amazing our system is as rational as it is. Look at what some European republics did with Senates and assemblies. The complexity of the French system during the Second Republic and the Second Empire makes your head spin.
senators, and only two for House Reps?
Don't know off the top of the head, but it's amazing our system is as rational as it is. Look at what some European republics did with Senates and assemblies. The complexity of the French system during the Second Republic and the Second Empire makes your head spin.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 01:44 PM (AZGON)
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I wouldn't be surprised to see McCain try to step in up there...
with Miller.
Heads would explode, I know, but Sarah helped him in the primary, I genuinely think McCain and Palin have a bizarre mutual respect for each other, and I think McCain is craving to see the Senate back in GOP hands, before he retires. He knows that can't happen with a divided party. Palin was silly for blasting Brown- they are different Republicans in different states, which actually I think was her whole point.
Murkowski is a sitting US Senator- very hard for her to want to let go of that- not even a RINO v Con issue there. Its incumbant power-to-the-head v everyone else.
We are powerless as a third party, so I hope the NRSC bails on her if it seems shes trying to win through nefarious means- they have other senators to still worry about and potentially new members they need to start watching for. I wouldn't be shocked if this mess is over in a week or less...
with Miller.
Heads would explode, I know, but Sarah helped him in the primary, I genuinely think McCain and Palin have a bizarre mutual respect for each other, and I think McCain is craving to see the Senate back in GOP hands, before he retires. He knows that can't happen with a divided party. Palin was silly for blasting Brown- they are different Republicans in different states, which actually I think was her whole point.
Murkowski is a sitting US Senator- very hard for her to want to let go of that- not even a RINO v Con issue there. Its incumbant power-to-the-head v everyone else.
We are powerless as a third party, so I hope the NRSC bails on her if it seems shes trying to win through nefarious means- they have other senators to still worry about and potentially new members they need to start watching for. I wouldn't be shocked if this mess is over in a week or less...
Posted by: CAC at August 27, 2010 01:45 PM (lV4Fs)
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You all suck again.
Posted by: Future Ace at August 27, 2010 01:45 PM (xO+6C)
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ace and I are just alike. One way today, another tomorrow. Call me, I loved those pancakes.
Posted by: Ken Mehlman at August 27, 2010 01:45 PM (+sBB4)
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Senator Cornyn's campaign office can be reached at (512) 494-8535. I just had a nice polite conversation with a very nice young lady and explained to her that I would organize, donate, and vote for any primary challenger that the Senator has in four years if he meddles in the Alaska primary.
Posted by: Phil Smith at August 27, 2010 01:45 PM (n+cpx)
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Just tired of getting beat up from all sides.
Posted by: mpfs
This distresses me. Beatings should be provocative; not tiring.
Posted by: mpfs
This distresses me. Beatings should be provocative; not tiring.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 27, 2010 01:45 PM (R2fpr)
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That at least makes much more sense, because they are our enemies. But what about the people who vote conservative 85-95% of the time? Are we going to vote them out, too?
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 01:34 PM (yfJ6g)
That depends on where they are from and what issues were in that 5-10%.
Lindsay Graham is a 90% conservative by straight numbers. The problem is his 10% liberal/moderate is all huge issues. If he's my senator I would be trying to primary him. More than that, it's time for him to go.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 01:34 PM (yfJ6g)
That depends on where they are from and what issues were in that 5-10%.
Lindsay Graham is a 90% conservative by straight numbers. The problem is his 10% liberal/moderate is all huge issues. If he's my senator I would be trying to primary him. More than that, it's time for him to go.
Posted by: Rocks at August 27, 2010 01:46 PM (Q1lie)
Posted by: King Leonidas at August 27, 2010 01:46 PM (Hj0nA)
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No, not this foxhole, ace. That one over...no, not that one, keep going...almost there...got it. Can you hear me? Barely? Good. Just stay right there.
Posted by: Guy what doesn't want someone who wigs out all the time sharing his foxhole at August 27, 2010 01:46 PM (P9zpD)
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I think we can learn a lesson from President Abraham Lincoln. He didn't want to allow any secession so he purged the bad apples from the Union.
Kinda. But you get my point. The GOP needs an enema.
We're not leaving the party, so the pro-Democrat wing of the party needs to shape up or ship out.
I think we can learn a lesson from President Abraham Lincoln. He didn't want to allow any secession so he purged the bad apples from the Union.
Kinda. But you get my point. The GOP needs an enema.
We're not leaving the party, so the pro-Democrat wing of the party needs to shape up or ship out.
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 01:46 PM (uFokq)
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( Does anyone know how the founders came up with a six year term for senators, and only two for House Reps?)
Negotiation as I recall.
They wanted a chamber very reactive to the people and one that took more consideration and deliberation of the long term.
Negotiation as I recall.
They wanted a chamber very reactive to the people and one that took more consideration and deliberation of the long term.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 27, 2010 01:46 PM (L8kaT)
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Well perhaps we're reading to much into it. Perhaps the lawyer is there to tell Murky that they will be going after her if she shifts parties and takes the money with her? Who knows for sure. I already e-mailed and called the NRSC to tell them they were out of their minds.
Posted by: Bruce The Robert at August 27, 2010 01:46 PM (gsT1r)
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This distresses me. Beatings should be provocative; not tiring.
Posted by: Blue Hen
I haven't had a provocative beating in a loooooong time.
IYKWIMAITYD
Posted by: Blue Hen
I haven't had a provocative beating in a loooooong time.
IYKWIMAITYD
Posted by: mpfs at August 27, 2010 01:47 PM (iYbLN)
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"And I don't know how people seem to think that not ruling out a third party run is not a looming crisis for the party."
I expect that you have the loyalty oaths already printed and ready for distribution? Make sure Rand Paul gets one, because I don't trust the company he keeps. In fact, I'm pretty sure he's considered being a Libertarian more than once, so let's kick him out now and give the Dems the seat. Party unity uber alles.
I expect that you have the loyalty oaths already printed and ready for distribution? Make sure Rand Paul gets one, because I don't trust the company he keeps. In fact, I'm pretty sure he's considered being a Libertarian more than once, so let's kick him out now and give the Dems the seat. Party unity uber alles.
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251 ...We see here an opportunity to replace a RINO careerist with a conservative, with the prospect of victory in the general, and it may very well be stymied by the NRSC. Or not. Gee politics is fun.
But that's an issue to decide in the primaries. Not voting in the general election is rather senseless, unless the Republican is so far left that they actually are a Democrat. We can't keep waiting for that perfect candidate, because you're not always going to find one. Politicians like Ronald Reagan are incredible treasures, not a given.
Let's also consider what has happened to this country since '06, how some were willing to let the Dems have the Congress the White House. Has it honestly made things better? What about your children? Is life better for them? Will they receive the same opportunities as you did?Or how about our troops?We gave them a C-in-C who doesn't care about them. Isn't that shameful?
But that's an issue to decide in the primaries. Not voting in the general election is rather senseless, unless the Republican is so far left that they actually are a Democrat. We can't keep waiting for that perfect candidate, because you're not always going to find one. Politicians like Ronald Reagan are incredible treasures, not a given.
Let's also consider what has happened to this country since '06, how some were willing to let the Dems have the Congress the White House. Has it honestly made things better? What about your children? Is life better for them? Will they receive the same opportunities as you did?Or how about our troops?We gave them a C-in-C who doesn't care about them. Isn't that shameful?
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Just tired of getting beat up from all sides.
Posted by: mpfs at August 27, 2010 01:43 PM (iYbLN)
The beatings will continue until moral improves.
Posted by: mpfs at August 27, 2010 01:43 PM (iYbLN)
The beatings will continue until moral improves.
Posted by: robtr at August 27, 2010 01:47 PM (fwSHf)
Posted by: Dan at August 27, 2010 01:47 PM (1jzSs)
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Have you noticed the dog fox that hasn't barked?
Mrs. Palin hasn't posted anything on facebook about this topic, has she? I wonder what she's thinking.
Mrs. Palin hasn't posted anything on facebook about this topic, has she? I wonder what she's thinking.
Posted by: Steve Poling at August 27, 2010 01:47 PM (db5YN)
Posted by: Beto at August 27, 2010 01:48 PM (H+LJc)
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I'm far less concerned about a guy from Washington dropping in -- then the local Republican party phone banking for Lisa. That is wrong.
Posted by: Jean at August 27, 2010 01:48 PM (T5t8M)
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If we don't vote out establishment RINOs in the primary, they must lose in the general. Full circle from yesterday.
Posted by: Valiant at August 27, 2010 01:48 PM (UKSRV)
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But you get my point. The GOP needs an enema.
Posted by: the captain's log
And that's how the term 'victim hole' came to be. Join us next week when the Moronettes explain the origin of the term, "minority Whip".
Posted by: the captain's log
And that's how the term 'victim hole' came to be. Join us next week when the Moronettes explain the origin of the term, "minority Whip".
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 27, 2010 01:49 PM (R2fpr)
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OT: Sharron Angle's new ad is down and dirty. Like Body Heat except more sultry.
Very nice. And the idea of a Reid/Pelosi/Barry love triangle is repulsive. Too bad it's true.
Very nice. And the idea of a Reid/Pelosi/Barry love triangle is repulsive. Too bad it's true.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 01:49 PM (AZGON)
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Also, a great cause to donate to is Jim DeMint's Senate Conservative Fund http://tinyurl.com/22k4r5a .
Posted by: Countrysquire at August 27, 2010 01:49 PM (e910j)
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285 That depends on where they are from and what issues were in that 5-10%.Lindsay Graham is a 90% conservative by straight numbers. The problem is his 10% liberal/moderate is all huge issues. If he's my senator I would be trying to primary him. More than that, it's time for him to go.
Then primary him! But I'm so sick of hearing that some of these races really don't matter, that it's not worth one's while to care.
Then primary him! But I'm so sick of hearing that some of these races really don't matter, that it's not worth one's while to care.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 01:49 PM (yfJ6g)
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Mrs. Palin hasn't posted anything on facebook about this topic, has she?
She had at least one tweet on the NRSC thing.
She had at least one tweet on the NRSC thing.
Posted by: Bomber at August 27, 2010 01:49 PM (qzoN5)
Posted by: mpfs at August 27, 2010 01:49 PM (iYbLN)
Posted by: Dang Straights at August 27, 2010 01:50 PM (fx8sm)
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Man, it's getting crowded in here.
Posted by: The Victim Hole at August 27, 2010 01:51 PM (AZGON)
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This distresses me. Beatings should be provocative; not tiring.Posted by: Blue HenI haven't had a provocative beating in a loooooong time.IYKWIMAITYD
Posted by: mpfs
Indeed?
Do you wish to learn why the chicken crossed the road? The answer will amaze you.
Posted by: mpfs
Indeed?
Do you wish to learn why the chicken crossed the road? The answer will amaze you.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 27, 2010 01:51 PM (R2fpr)
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New FDA report: Pancake flour causes bi-polar disorder. Please report any suspicious characters.
Posted by: ingenus at August 27, 2010 01:51 PM (+sBB4)
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What about the chocolate ration?
What about the chocolate ration?
Posted by: eman at August 27, 2010 01:52 PM (rIm2V)
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Mrs. Palin hasn't posted anything on facebook about this topic, has she?She had at least one tweet on the NRSC thing.
More than she did for the continuing Didier disaster. Did she congratulate McCain on his win?
Mrs. Palin hasn't posted anything on facebook about this topic, has she?She had at least one tweet on the NRSC thing.
More than she did for the continuing Didier disaster. Did she congratulate McCain on his win?
Posted by: NRSC at August 27, 2010 01:52 PM (EL+OC)
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New FDA report: Pancake flour causes bi-polar disorder.
Apparently waffle batter causes incipient socialism. But the FDA is fine with that.
Apparently waffle batter causes incipient socialism. But the FDA is fine with that.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 01:53 PM (AZGON)
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FDA warning on pancakes: "Do not apply to anus"
Posted by: ingenus at August 27, 2010 01:53 PM (+sBB4)
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I called Cornyn's office for a statement as to why the NRSC is involved in this primary and was told to call the NRSC for any statements on the matter.
Telephone: (202) 675-6000
Telephone: (202) 675-6000
Posted by: Beto at August 27, 2010 01:53 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: Barbarian at August 27, 2010 01:53 PM (EL+OC)
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This is why I was for Hayworth, a very tainted, but mostly conservative candidate, but more that some of these long term pig trough feeders just forget that its not about them. For pete's sake this will be McCain's 5th senate term, and he was in the house before that.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 27, 2010 01:54 PM (L8kaT)
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So, we have two options, as I see it:
1) Third Party
2) Ace has sex. With a woman. With no direct cash transfer involved.
Ok, what will we call the new party?
1) Third Party
2) Ace has sex. With a woman. With no direct cash transfer involved.
Ok, what will we call the new party?
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 27, 2010 01:55 PM (P9zpD)
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( Does anyone know how the founders came up with a six year term for senators, and only two for House Reps?)Negotiation as I recall.They wanted a chamber very reactive to the people and one that took more consideration and deliberation of the long term.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 27, 2010 01:46 PM (L8kaT)
The Senatorswere supposed to bethere only to represent their States while the Representatives were the People's representation. Now,with the 17th amendment, the States have no representation in the federal government and the People have two different types. Not what the system was supposed to be.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 27, 2010 01:46 PM (L8kaT)
The Senatorswere supposed to bethere only to represent their States while the Representatives were the People's representation. Now,with the 17th amendment, the States have no representation in the federal government and the People have two different types. Not what the system was supposed to be.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 27, 2010 01:55 PM (5TNVe)
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Ace, ease up. This is a process that's going to last at least 3 election cycle. Tea Partiers are NOT leaving the sidewalks and going back into their homes. We're here to see this war through even if it takes more than a generation. www.mosov.org
Posted by: MoSov.org at August 27, 2010 01:55 PM (YmdLx)
Posted by: The Chicken at August 27, 2010 01:56 PM (rIm2V)
Posted by: mpfs at August 27, 2010 01:56 PM (iYbLN)
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Do you wish to learn why the chicken crossed the road? The answer will amaze you.
Are you a rooster or a hen?
Are you a rooster or a hen?
Posted by: mpfs at August 27, 2010 01:57 PM (iYbLN)
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I am certainly in favor of having one sacrificial lamb this election just to send a message to the GOP that we're not gonna put up with this shit anymore.
And that lamb should be McCain. But if it's Murkowski should she win the primary, that'll do, too.
The GOP will keep serving us shit sandwiches until we stop sending back the hacks to D.C.
I am certainly in favor of having one sacrificial lamb this election just to send a message to the GOP that we're not gonna put up with this shit anymore.
And that lamb should be McCain. But if it's Murkowski should she win the primary, that'll do, too.
The GOP will keep serving us shit sandwiches until we stop sending back the hacks to D.C.
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 01:57 PM (uFokq)
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As a Texan, and a late arriver to this thread, I just want to say that John Cornyn can go take a long walk off a short pier...
Posted by: brak at August 27, 2010 01:57 PM (nIoiW)
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231 I want to know who this one staff lawyer is. He must be a powerful MoFo if everyone is so freaked out he showed up.
Posted by: DrewM. at August 27, 2010 01:30 PM (X/Lqh)
It doesn't matter if it's Joe Blow Shitty Lawyer, or Joe Blow Super Duper Best in the Universe Lawyer, it's the fact that one showed up in the first place. Perception is reality and if the voters perceive that there is some bullshit going on, then that's what they're going to believe. All your words of wisdomsaying that it shouldn't matter if a lawyer shows up goes out the door.
Drew,the morons are freaked out. Deal with it.
Posted by: DrewM. at August 27, 2010 01:30 PM (X/Lqh)
It doesn't matter if it's Joe Blow Shitty Lawyer, or Joe Blow Super Duper Best in the Universe Lawyer, it's the fact that one showed up in the first place. Perception is reality and if the voters perceive that there is some bullshit going on, then that's what they're going to believe. All your words of wisdomsaying that it shouldn't matter if a lawyer shows up goes out the door.
Drew,the morons are freaked out. Deal with it.
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at August 27, 2010 01:58 PM (YVZlY)
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Hey, leave me alone. Talk to the Chicken.
Posted by: The Lamb at August 27, 2010 01:59 PM (+sBB4)
Posted by: The Chicken at August 27, 2010 01:59 PM (IkEhE)
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OT: Treacher writes
When 19 Muslim terrorists fly planes into buildings and murder thousands
of people, it’s not a reflection on all Muslims. Or any Muslims besides
those 19, for that matter. But when a drunk A-hole in the same
neighborhood yells “As-salaam alaikum! Consider this a checkpoint!” and
stabs a Muslim cabbie, it’s a reflection on all opponents of the Ground
Zero Mosque.
Never mind that the stabber is a leftard working for a pro-Hamasque group. This is an endemic trope of the left. Whenever someone on the left says something awful, it isn't a reflection on them. Alec Baldwin calling for the stoning of Henry Hyde was a joke, means nothing, is an isolated datum with no portent.
But let George Allen mutter a meaningless word like "macaca" and it automatically taints all conservatives. With what, I still can't make out. Macaca? Sheesh.
When 19 Muslim terrorists fly planes into buildings and murder thousands
of people, it’s not a reflection on all Muslims. Or any Muslims besides
those 19, for that matter. But when a drunk A-hole in the same
neighborhood yells “As-salaam alaikum! Consider this a checkpoint!” and
stabs a Muslim cabbie, it’s a reflection on all opponents of the Ground
Zero Mosque.
Never mind that the stabber is a leftard working for a pro-Hamasque group. This is an endemic trope of the left. Whenever someone on the left says something awful, it isn't a reflection on them. Alec Baldwin calling for the stoning of Henry Hyde was a joke, means nothing, is an isolated datum with no portent.
But let George Allen mutter a meaningless word like "macaca" and it automatically taints all conservatives. With what, I still can't make out. Macaca? Sheesh.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 01:59 PM (AZGON)
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So, we have two options, as I see it:
1) Third Party
2) Ace has sex. With a woman. With no direct cash transfer involved.
Ok, what will we call the new party?
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth
The 'It's Saturday night and what else are we going to do' party?
1) Third Party
2) Ace has sex. With a woman. With no direct cash transfer involved.
Ok, what will we call the new party?
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth
The 'It's Saturday night and what else are we going to do' party?
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 27, 2010 01:59 PM (R2fpr)
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Ace, have a beer and/or a nap. You're fried. This is one step in what's going to be a many-year process. It took the libs decades to set all their little policies and laws in place to screw us up as badly as they have. It's going to take us a long time to bring it back.
And the election's not been called. It's good to let the counters know that people are paying attention to the result, and now we need to let them go ahead and count.
It's going to be a long, hard slog and we won't always win. But we can't quit.
So there.
And the election's not been called. It's good to let the counters know that people are paying attention to the result, and now we need to let them go ahead and count.
It's going to be a long, hard slog and we won't always win. But we can't quit.
So there.
Posted by: I Denounce Myself at August 27, 2010 02:00 PM (y5VNb)
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Mrs. Palin hasn't posted anything on facebook about this topic, has she?
Which part? Her last note about the AK race was written last Friday, in support of Miller. More current notes involve getting unions to support conservative causes also a note about Beck's rally.
Which part? Her last note about the AK race was written last Friday, in support of Miller. More current notes involve getting unions to support conservative causes also a note about Beck's rally.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 02:00 PM (yfJ6g)
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Then primary him! But I'm so sick of hearing that
some of these races really don't matter, that it's not worth
one's while to care.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 01:49 PM (yfJ6g)
The Senate is hard because it's 6 long years so be sure of what you do. And this year is critical there is no excuse to stay home. Even Schumer is running scared and laying low and his challenger is non-existent. But other time I do understand people just sitting out. There was no logical reason to get up and keep voting for Chris Shays here in Connecticut. He wasn't my House Rep but he was far too liberal, for a Republican, even for his district. Had it not been for Obama he would still be there as many Dems also voted for him and there was no way the R party apparatus would do anything. Hell in the NYT endorsed him every election over his opponents. But the guy who beat him is going to lose to a much more Conservative candidate just 2 years later. Yeah it's a wave year but you don't have to vote with Dems on every issue in even a deep blue state to stay in office and Shays acted like you did. getting rid of those kind of candidates is worth it because if you don't there is a very good shot you won't get to vote for a more conservative candidate for many years in that office.
some of these races really don't matter, that it's not worth
one's while to care.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 01:49 PM (yfJ6g)
The Senate is hard because it's 6 long years so be sure of what you do. And this year is critical there is no excuse to stay home. Even Schumer is running scared and laying low and his challenger is non-existent. But other time I do understand people just sitting out. There was no logical reason to get up and keep voting for Chris Shays here in Connecticut. He wasn't my House Rep but he was far too liberal, for a Republican, even for his district. Had it not been for Obama he would still be there as many Dems also voted for him and there was no way the R party apparatus would do anything. Hell in the NYT endorsed him every election over his opponents. But the guy who beat him is going to lose to a much more Conservative candidate just 2 years later. Yeah it's a wave year but you don't have to vote with Dems on every issue in even a deep blue state to stay in office and Shays acted like you did. getting rid of those kind of candidates is worth it because if you don't there is a very good shot you won't get to vote for a more conservative candidate for many years in that office.
Posted by: Rocks at August 27, 2010 02:01 PM (Q1lie)
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Ace, are you scoring your estrogen supplements online or do you have a local hookup?
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at August 27, 2010 02:01 PM (+lsX1)
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Perhaps, just perhaps, this blows over in about a week.
The NRSC abandons her and supports Miller if Murkowski makes it known to them she will NOT sit idle and accept the result.
They already had the embarassment of Crist.
OR you have pressure from the rest of the party on her to abandon, when she fails, they back Miller.
The party sucks, the party is crooked, but most of all...
it craves power.
If Murkowski's refusal to accept a loss threatens that, it does the party good to rid themselves of support for her and to back Miller. They want to rule the senate, that can't happen with shit like this. Sadly their drive to be on top will probably settle all of this.
The NRSC abandons her and supports Miller if Murkowski makes it known to them she will NOT sit idle and accept the result.
They already had the embarassment of Crist.
OR you have pressure from the rest of the party on her to abandon, when she fails, they back Miller.
The party sucks, the party is crooked, but most of all...
it craves power.
If Murkowski's refusal to accept a loss threatens that, it does the party good to rid themselves of support for her and to back Miller. They want to rule the senate, that can't happen with shit like this. Sadly their drive to be on top will probably settle all of this.
Posted by: CAC at August 27, 2010 02:02 PM (lV4Fs)
Posted by: The Chicken at August 27, 2010 02:02 PM (rIm2V)
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Pray I do not alter our deal further.
Posted by: Darth Cornyn at August 27, 2010 02:04 PM (P9zpD)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 02:04 PM (AZGON)
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I feel better now. Obama took a bike ride - with his helmet of course.
Posted by: ingenus at August 27, 2010 02:04 PM (+sBB4)
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I'm not sure I'll be able to sleep tonight wondering what Tomorrow Ace will be like. It's like Christmas.
I hope he wears his outfit from the Ultimate Universe tomorrow. That's my favorite.
I hope he wears his outfit from the Ultimate Universe tomorrow. That's my favorite.
Posted by: VJay at August 27, 2010 02:04 PM (gQ+XA)
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Miss'80sBaby @213 --
Actually, all the GOP people who voted for the Stupak Amendment to preserve their pro-life ranking also helped. As did Mitch McConnell in the Senate.
And the official stance of the GOP is that repealing Obamacare is too extreme. They think they will do a really good job of administering it.
But, you know, blame the people who actually want to shrink government and back the Murkowskis of the world. That's the ticket.
Actually, all the GOP people who voted for the Stupak Amendment to preserve their pro-life ranking also helped. As did Mitch McConnell in the Senate.
And the official stance of the GOP is that repealing Obamacare is too extreme. They think they will do a really good job of administering it.
But, you know, blame the people who actually want to shrink government and back the Murkowskis of the world. That's the ticket.
Posted by: Ella at August 27, 2010 02:05 PM (zKypm)
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Did Rand Paul say he was not ruling out a third party run if he didn't win the Republican nomination? I guess its just not lefties that can't make logical comparisons.
Not sure about Rand...but I believe on a couple of occassions Daddy Paul ran for President as the Libertarian candidate. And the last time I checked, he is still a member in good standing with the Party. May not be the most liked person.
Not sure about Rand...but I believe on a couple of occassions Daddy Paul ran for President as the Libertarian candidate. And the last time I checked, he is still a member in good standing with the Party. May not be the most liked person.
Posted by: Mallamutt at August 27, 2010 02:05 PM (OWjjx)
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Do you wish to learn why the chicken crossed the road? The answer will amaze you.Are you a rooster or a hen?
Posted by: mpfs
Yes.
Rooster actually. ALthough there is nothing wrong with watching a hen party IYKWIMAITTYD.
The Delaware Continentals were referred to as the 'blue hen's chicks. Today, the Univ of Del mascot is simply, the fighting blue hens.
Posted by: mpfs
Yes.
Rooster actually. ALthough there is nothing wrong with watching a hen party IYKWIMAITTYD.
The Delaware Continentals were referred to as the 'blue hen's chicks. Today, the Univ of Del mascot is simply, the fighting blue hens.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 27, 2010 02:05 PM (R2fpr)
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I'm not sure I'll be able to sleep tonight wondering what Tomorrow Ace will be like. It's like Christmas.
The Fella Who Couldn't Wait for Christmas"This waiting is making me mental, y' know"
The Fella Who Couldn't Wait for Christmas"This waiting is making me mental, y' know"
Posted by: kallisto at August 27, 2010 02:06 PM (+FkcS)
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HuffPo:
Defeated Florida Republican gubernatorial hopeful Bill McCollum is
declining to support former rival and newly-minted GOP nominee Rick
Scott as he heads into his general election campaign.
Looks like internecine warfare is all the rage these days.
Defeated Florida Republican gubernatorial hopeful Bill McCollum is
declining to support former rival and newly-minted GOP nominee Rick
Scott as he heads into his general election campaign.
Looks like internecine warfare is all the rage these days.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 02:06 PM (AZGON)
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So some dipwad violates the borders of N. Korea to make some stupid point, gets thrown in jail, then released and Carter is some kind of hero or something.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 27, 2010 02:06 PM (L8kaT)
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http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/105271/
Is it really a coincidence that the MFM was declaring a 'Republican Civil War' at the beginning of the week, and then the establishment R's go all-in for Murkowski (i.e., on of their own)?
I'm starting to think NOT. G.O., hand me some of that there aluminum foil.
http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/105271/
Is it really a coincidence that the MFM was declaring a 'Republican Civil War' at the beginning of the week, and then the establishment R's go all-in for Murkowski (i.e., on of their own)?
I'm starting to think NOT. G.O., hand me some of that there aluminum foil.
Posted by: Dang Straights at August 27, 2010 02:08 PM (fx8sm)
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"I guess its just not lefties that can't make logical comparisons. "
Yeah, my stupidity and lack of logical thinking abilities have plagued me for years.
One candidate considering a party switch in order to retain her seat is not a crisis. It's a local political contest.
After this massive disaster has passed, and people have crawled out of their hastily built Murkowski shelters, the Party will be fine.
Yeah, my stupidity and lack of logical thinking abilities have plagued me for years.
One candidate considering a party switch in order to retain her seat is not a crisis. It's a local political contest.
After this massive disaster has passed, and people have crawled out of their hastily built Murkowski shelters, the Party will be fine.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 27, 2010 02:08 PM (h6kb0)
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So some dipwad violates the borders of N. Korea to make some stupid point, gets thrown in jail, then released and Carter is some kind of hero or something.
Sickening isn't it? Worst. President. Ever. Until now.
Sickening isn't it? Worst. President. Ever. Until now.
Posted by: jewells at August 27, 2010 02:08 PM (l/N7H)
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And yesterday after initially being upset, I was willing to give the GOP Senate assholes the benefit of the doubt and wait and see what they were going to do.
We are hearing more and more about the "meddling by the NSRC". However, again this "word" is coming from the blogs like Redstate, even if I haven't noticed any real problems with them in the past.
There was an article in the Anchorage paper this morning quoting Miller "that he hoped they were not coming in to meddle". That sounded a lot less harsh than what we are hearing from the blogs, but can we trust the print media? I know that if it was the Columbia paper here I would say hell no.
I just don't know who to trust on what is ACTUALLY going on there. But one thing is certain, it is still early after the voting. We will know a whole lot more in a week and I am going to wait until the end of next week before I make up my mind finally.
I will say that issuing a statement that the purpose of the committee was to "protect incumbents" was incredibly stupid. Much more stupid than apologizing to an oil company for Obama extortion.
The NSRC is doing one thing. They are giving ammunition to the new Dem talking points about a civil war within the Republican Party.
We are hearing more and more about the "meddling by the NSRC". However, again this "word" is coming from the blogs like Redstate, even if I haven't noticed any real problems with them in the past.
There was an article in the Anchorage paper this morning quoting Miller "that he hoped they were not coming in to meddle". That sounded a lot less harsh than what we are hearing from the blogs, but can we trust the print media? I know that if it was the Columbia paper here I would say hell no.
I just don't know who to trust on what is ACTUALLY going on there. But one thing is certain, it is still early after the voting. We will know a whole lot more in a week and I am going to wait until the end of next week before I make up my mind finally.
I will say that issuing a statement that the purpose of the committee was to "protect incumbents" was incredibly stupid. Much more stupid than apologizing to an oil company for Obama extortion.
The NSRC is doing one thing. They are giving ammunition to the new Dem talking points about a civil war within the Republican Party.
Posted by: Vic at August 27, 2010 02:09 PM (/jbAw)
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robtr@249 - it doesn't list Murkowski as (only) a sitting senator, it lists her as the candidate. It says it by her name. Candidate.
Posted by: Ella at August 27, 2010 02:11 PM (zKypm)
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335 Well, this year, there won't be so many guarantees. For instance, Harry Reid will likely hold-on to his seat, but it would be nice to make it as close as possible, just to make him sweat.It's also a choice about morals who's the better candidate.
But I still don't understand this insistence some people have that they won't vote unless the candidate is Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan, or George Washington incarnate. It seems that some were so spoiled by Reagan's presidency that they think that's the way things are always going to be. Well, I wish that was the case, but reality says otherwise.
But I still don't understand this insistence some people have that they won't vote unless the candidate is Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan, or George Washington incarnate. It seems that some were so spoiled by Reagan's presidency that they think that's the way things are always going to be. Well, I wish that was the case, but reality says otherwise.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 02:11 PM (yfJ6g)
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The NSRC is doing one thing. They are giving ammunition to the new
Dem talking points about a civil war within the Republican Party.
RINOs colluding? Perish the thought...
Dem talking points about a civil war within the Republican Party.
RINOs colluding? Perish the thought...
Posted by: Dang Straights at August 27, 2010 02:11 PM (fx8sm)
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Murky rules. Get used to them.
Posted by: Effing NRSC at August 27, 2010 02:12 PM (9b6FB)
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OT. Hilarious. ABC on the Pezzydent:
“We know he needs to be out there to talk about the economy next week,” a
White House official told ABC News, acknowledging the need for the
president to talk about the issue on the minds of Americans in the midst
of a schedule packed with events focused on other priorities. “We
haven’t yet figured out the way he’s going to do that.”
He'll probably do it in Austrian.
“We know he needs to be out there to talk about the economy next week,” a
White House official told ABC News, acknowledging the need for the
president to talk about the issue on the minds of Americans in the midst
of a schedule packed with events focused on other priorities. “We
haven’t yet figured out the way he’s going to do that.”
He'll probably do it in Austrian.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 02:12 PM (AZGON)
355
The Delaware Continentals were referred to as the 'blue hen's chicks. Today, the Univ of Del mascot is simply, the fighting blue hens.
--
The drunken frat nickname of "ass-kickin chickens" still applies. Hopefully the football team can bring that mantra back this season - the CAA is a bitch of a conference.
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The drunken frat nickname of "ass-kickin chickens" still applies. Hopefully the football team can bring that mantra back this season - the CAA is a bitch of a conference.
Posted by: Doc at August 27, 2010 02:12 PM (MYT77)
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Also, can I point out that Mcollum refuses to endorse Scott in florida.
It's just that people like me, who have donated and done work for the party are sick of being told to show up, vote and be party loyalists, but the party doesn't ask the same of its candidates.
It's just that people like me, who have donated and done work for the party are sick of being told to show up, vote and be party loyalists, but the party doesn't ask the same of its candidates.
Posted by: Ben at August 27, 2010 02:12 PM (wuv1c)
357
from Chickens link re Insty Link : Betrayal: AK GOP HQ Phone Banked For Murkowski On Election Day. “There are additional reasons why we may soon see what amounts to a civil war within the GOP in Alaska, one that could easily spill over nationally, infuriating the Republican base if the establishment attempts to steal this election for Murkowski. And Murkowski will do the GOP brand no good among the grassroots if she pulls a Sorry Charlie Crist and opts for another route.” If these reports are true, it’s a bad sign in more ways than one
o hell. really?
o hell. really?
Posted by: willow at August 27, 2010 02:13 PM (UIwus)
358
350.
Um, yeah right.
The GOP is not fine.
The GOP is lucky. Lucky they are the alternative to the Democrats.
The People are pissed off. If the GOP doesn't get the message, they are next.
Um, yeah right.
The GOP is not fine.
The GOP is lucky. Lucky they are the alternative to the Democrats.
The People are pissed off. If the GOP doesn't get the message, they are next.
Posted by: eman at August 27, 2010 02:13 PM (rIm2V)
359
I'm going to move to Texas and spend every day making sure John Cornyn loses his next election. Let's see if he enjoys outside people fucking with elections then.
Posted by: ChicagoJedi at August 27, 2010 02:13 PM (WZFkG)
360
So some dipwad violates the borders of N. Korea to make some
stupid point, gets thrown in jail, then released and Carter is some kind
of hero or something.
Sickening isn't it? Worst. President. Ever. Until now.
Hey, you ain't seen nothing yet.
stupid point, gets thrown in jail, then released and Carter is some kind
of hero or something.
Sickening isn't it? Worst. President. Ever. Until now.
Hey, you ain't seen nothing yet.
Posted by: B. Hussein Obama at August 27, 2010 02:14 PM (AZGON)
361
This has always been my problem with our current political system. There has not been representation of the people since I have been alive. Somehow, between now and when the founding fathers wrote the Constitution, we went from a government "of the people, by the people, and for the people" to a permanent ruling class.
Yeah, we all know that the Democrats have a completely fucked up view of things. From their insistence that we can spend our way out of debt to their total disregard of history and fact (the KKK somehow went from a Democrat-founded organization to the founders of the Tea Party, etc.) to their ridiculous ideas of "social justice" (aka those who can do rule).
So, we vote Republican and a different ruling class, who pays lip service to ideals that we believe in, yet in reality has no interest other keeping their positions as our permanent ruling class. We vote for them because they are supposedly the lesser of two evils. Better a BS (R) than and (D), right?
Sure, I get that. At least the (R) will send me flowers after after they fuck me up the ass. It beats the (D) who will tell me that he's not going to fuck while he unzips his fly, chains me to the bed, and tries to sweet talk me into believing that he's only there to give me a gift in the name of the common good.
I am with whoever wrote above:
- soap box
- ballot box
- jury box
- ammo box
The only thing I have to add to that is that the jury box is rigged by these same pieces of shit (ex. Blago, blocked trials for terrorists, no arrest of a terrorist shrink that ended up shooting up a military base because it wouldn't be PC, CA overturning ballot decisions, the fact that Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Rangel, Geithner, etc. are in office instead of prison, etc.).
I guess that leaves us one option. We didn't have these problems when there were more corrupt politicians swinging from lamp posts than occupying taxpayer funded offices.
All ranting aside... when our ruling class no longer honors elections or majority public opinion (Obamacare, AZ Immigration Law, etc.), where is our Constitution?
Yeah, we all know that the Democrats have a completely fucked up view of things. From their insistence that we can spend our way out of debt to their total disregard of history and fact (the KKK somehow went from a Democrat-founded organization to the founders of the Tea Party, etc.) to their ridiculous ideas of "social justice" (aka those who can do rule).
So, we vote Republican and a different ruling class, who pays lip service to ideals that we believe in, yet in reality has no interest other keeping their positions as our permanent ruling class. We vote for them because they are supposedly the lesser of two evils. Better a BS (R) than and (D), right?
Sure, I get that. At least the (R) will send me flowers after after they fuck me up the ass. It beats the (D) who will tell me that he's not going to fuck while he unzips his fly, chains me to the bed, and tries to sweet talk me into believing that he's only there to give me a gift in the name of the common good.
I am with whoever wrote above:
- soap box
- ballot box
- jury box
- ammo box
The only thing I have to add to that is that the jury box is rigged by these same pieces of shit (ex. Blago, blocked trials for terrorists, no arrest of a terrorist shrink that ended up shooting up a military base because it wouldn't be PC, CA overturning ballot decisions, the fact that Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Rangel, Geithner, etc. are in office instead of prison, etc.).
I guess that leaves us one option. We didn't have these problems when there were more corrupt politicians swinging from lamp posts than occupying taxpayer funded offices.
All ranting aside... when our ruling class no longer honors elections or majority public opinion (Obamacare, AZ Immigration Law, etc.), where is our Constitution?
Posted by: Damiano at August 27, 2010 02:14 PM (PA722)
362
I think that the MSM is writing the republican playbook lately. If they declared a republican civil war then everyone has slid nicely into their parts. I'm beginning to really think the Iraquis have it right. You go there, you prove who you are, they hand you a paper which after you fill out is locked in a chest, and then they did your finger into blue ink. Then I'm told that all the votes go to one room and everyone is locked in until all are counted....sounds good to me....
makes your vote really count, really be something important, that the politicians have to respect...
makes your vote really count, really be something important, that the politicians have to respect...
Posted by: curious at August 27, 2010 02:14 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at August 27, 2010 02:14 PM (0fzsA)
364
I'm going to move to Texas and spend every day making sure John Cornyn loses his next election. Let's see if he enjoys outside people fucking with elections then.
You would think we would get rock ribbed conservatives from one of americas most conservative states, wouldn't you?
You would think we would get rock ribbed conservatives from one of americas most conservative states, wouldn't you?
Posted by: Ben at August 27, 2010 02:15 PM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Sarah Palin at August 27, 2010 02:17 PM (EL+OC)
366
You would think we would get rock ribbed conservatives from one of americas most conservative states, wouldn't you?
Like the rest of the turds, he runs as a conservative and votes like a socialist.
You would think we would get rock ribbed conservatives from one of americas most conservative states, wouldn't you?
Like the rest of the turds, he runs as a conservative and votes like a socialist.
Posted by: Dang Straights at August 27, 2010 02:17 PM (fx8sm)
367
Maybe the NRSC is doing this as a dig at Palin. After all, it's her people that are running the state right now. Perhaps Murk said "I don't think I'll get a fair shake in this recount because The Caribou Bitch has the deck stacked against me". Who knows? Maybe she's right. :-)
Posted by: joejm65 at August 27, 2010 02:17 PM (MbiAv)
368
I have confirmed through multiple sources that Lisa Murkowski has
already approached the Alaska Libertarian Party. In exchange for putting
her on the Libertarian ticket in November, Murkowski will hand the
Libertarians a sizable chunk of her +$1 million war chest.
We accept payment in either lettuce, or tree.
already approached the Alaska Libertarian Party. In exchange for putting
her on the Libertarian ticket in November, Murkowski will hand the
Libertarians a sizable chunk of her +$1 million war chest.
We accept payment in either lettuce, or tree.
Posted by: Alaska Libertarians at August 27, 2010 02:18 PM (BP6Z1)
369
Haven't had a chance to read all the comments, yet, but, there is already hanky-panky going on up there. Maybe not with the NRSC, yet, but definitely with the ARP. Joe Miller has already had to file an official complaint through his attorney.
http://tiny.cc/ppwge
I am so angry right now, I could chew nails.
http://tiny.cc/ppwge
I am so angry right now, I could chew nails.
Posted by: Steph at August 27, 2010 02:18 PM (580hG)
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Ace appears to be demanding that Murkowski swear on a stack of bibles as to her true intentions (I will remain a Repub., win/lose/ and support my opponent if he wins).
I don't need any sworn oath, nor should the rest of us. Please consider the very last words of the Declaration of Independence: "And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the
protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our
lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.
I guess nowadays, notions of "sacred honor" are so passe - because we're all so, soooo sophisticated. Let's face it, these guys must've been real chumps to put their lives (and their families' lives) on the line for the sake of some intangible concept such as "sacred honor".
I would also point out that some of the largest commercial contracts in this nation's history were 'sealed by a handshake'. In other words, in those days, a person's word was his/her bond.....No questions asked. We should insist that sense of morality still prevail.
Thus, unless Ms. Murkowski is prepared to stand up in front of God and country, and simply but unequivocably state: "This has been a hard-fought race but I can assure you, in the event I were to lose I will throw all my support and all my efforts to ensuring Mr. Miller is the next senator from Alaska. I am, and I remain a Republican....come what may.
See, no need for 'sworn oaths'!
I don't need any sworn oath, nor should the rest of us. Please consider the very last words of the Declaration of Independence: "And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the
protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our
lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.
I guess nowadays, notions of "sacred honor" are so passe - because we're all so, soooo sophisticated. Let's face it, these guys must've been real chumps to put their lives (and their families' lives) on the line for the sake of some intangible concept such as "sacred honor".
I would also point out that some of the largest commercial contracts in this nation's history were 'sealed by a handshake'. In other words, in those days, a person's word was his/her bond.....No questions asked. We should insist that sense of morality still prevail.
Thus, unless Ms. Murkowski is prepared to stand up in front of God and country, and simply but unequivocably state: "This has been a hard-fought race but I can assure you, in the event I were to lose I will throw all my support and all my efforts to ensuring Mr. Miller is the next senator from Alaska. I am, and I remain a Republican....come what may.
See, no need for 'sworn oaths'!
Posted by: alwyr at August 27, 2010 02:19 PM (w2++y)
371
319
So, we have two options, as I see it:
1) Third Party
2) Ace has sex. With a woman. With no direct cash transfer involved.
Ok, what will we call the new party?
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 27, 2010 01:55 PM (P9zpD)
The Ewok Sex Party!
I mean who wouldn't want to belong to such a political organ?
So, we have two options, as I see it:
1) Third Party
2) Ace has sex. With a woman. With no direct cash transfer involved.
Ok, what will we call the new party?
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 27, 2010 01:55 PM (P9zpD)
The Ewok Sex Party!
I mean who wouldn't want to belong to such a political organ?
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at August 27, 2010 02:19 PM (oIp16)
372
I think that the MSM is writing the republican playbook lately. If they
declared a republican civil war then everyone has slid nicely into
their parts.
Don't buy into that. The MFM always claims the Republicans are divided or squabbling, when their prospects look good. To say otherwise would admit the Demotards are in trouble.
declared a republican civil war then everyone has slid nicely into
their parts.
Don't buy into that. The MFM always claims the Republicans are divided or squabbling, when their prospects look good. To say otherwise would admit the Demotards are in trouble.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 02:19 PM (AZGON)
373
343 Miss'80sBaby @213 --Actually, all the GOP people who voted for the Stupak Amendment to preserve their pro-life ranking also helped. As did Mitch McConnell in the Senate.
If Stupak hadn't caved like the scum-bag he is, maybe things would have been different. But it honestly seemed like that tactic was going to work. And the official stance of the GOP is that repealing Obamacare is too extreme. They think they will do a really good job of administering it.
Do they think actually they can do a better job of administering it? Have the party leaders officially taken this stance? I've also seen some members of the House saying they don't want to fund it.
But, you know, blame the people who actually want to shrink government and back the Murkowskis of the world. That's the ticket.
Please explain to me how sitting on the couch allowing the country to suffer this much pain was worthwhile, especially when people are already vowing now to vote this time.Our soldiers, children grandchildren, the elderly, the unborn, the sick, the people of the Gulf States, etc. have all been screwed-over in the name of party purity. Yet it's terrible that I find that disgusting.
If Stupak hadn't caved like the scum-bag he is, maybe things would have been different. But it honestly seemed like that tactic was going to work. And the official stance of the GOP is that repealing Obamacare is too extreme. They think they will do a really good job of administering it.
Do they think actually they can do a better job of administering it? Have the party leaders officially taken this stance? I've also seen some members of the House saying they don't want to fund it.
But, you know, blame the people who actually want to shrink government and back the Murkowskis of the world. That's the ticket.
Please explain to me how sitting on the couch allowing the country to suffer this much pain was worthwhile, especially when people are already vowing now to vote this time.Our soldiers, children grandchildren, the elderly, the unborn, the sick, the people of the Gulf States, etc. have all been screwed-over in the name of party purity. Yet it's terrible that I find that disgusting.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 02:19 PM (yfJ6g)
374
Posted by: curious at August 27, 2010 02:14 PM (p302b)
I don't know about locking people in a room. I wouldn't want to be locked into a room with my neighbors. But I do like the rest of it. An identifying mark to show you've voted is ideal. And we should end all absentee ballots outside of the military. If you don't give a shit to show up tough luck. Must show proper ID. And we need to come up with a ballot system that is least prone to fraud. Add it all up and diminish fraud. And close the damn primaries to only registered republicans. The DNC gave us McCain in the 2008 primaries. God forbid Huckabee in 2012.
I don't know about locking people in a room. I wouldn't want to be locked into a room with my neighbors. But I do like the rest of it. An identifying mark to show you've voted is ideal. And we should end all absentee ballots outside of the military. If you don't give a shit to show up tough luck. Must show proper ID. And we need to come up with a ballot system that is least prone to fraud. Add it all up and diminish fraud. And close the damn primaries to only registered republicans. The DNC gave us McCain in the 2008 primaries. God forbid Huckabee in 2012.
Posted by: ChicagoJedi at August 27, 2010 02:20 PM (WZFkG)
375
One candidate considering a party switch in order to retain her seat is not a crisis. It's a local political contest.
Right up until the National party apparatus gets involved, after the fact of the ballots being cast. That's the concern. Do try to keep up.
Right up until the National party apparatus gets involved, after the fact of the ballots being cast. That's the concern. Do try to keep up.
Posted by: Phil Smith at August 27, 2010 02:20 PM (n+cpx)
376
Joe Miller has already had to file an official complaint through his
attorney.
http://tiny.cc/ppwge
Someone just added cornstarch to the plot.
attorney.
http://tiny.cc/ppwge
Someone just added cornstarch to the plot.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 02:20 PM (AZGON)
377
You would think we would get rock ribbed conservatives from one of americas most conservative states, wouldn't you?
Posted by: Ben at August 27, 2010 02:15 PM (wuv1c)
You would. As a current Houston area resident though, I'd like to offer three words: Sheila Jackson Lee. That shouldn't be possible in TX, right? Psycho bitch is a national embarrassment.
Somehow these idiots manage to keep getting elected everywhere.
Posted by: Ben at August 27, 2010 02:15 PM (wuv1c)
You would. As a current Houston area resident though, I'd like to offer three words: Sheila Jackson Lee. That shouldn't be possible in TX, right? Psycho bitch is a national embarrassment.
Somehow these idiots manage to keep getting elected everywhere.
Posted by: Damiano at August 27, 2010 02:20 PM (PA722)
Posted by: eman at August 27, 2010 02:20 PM (rIm2V)
379
Leave me alone. Talk to The Chicken.
Posted by: The Political Organ at August 27, 2010 02:21 PM (+sBB4)
380
I wouldn't believe Sen Murkowski had honorable intentions until she passed a cashiers' check for $800K in campaign funds to Mr. Miller.
Posted by: Jean at August 27, 2010 02:21 PM (UfjJU)
Posted by: Dang Straights at August 27, 2010 02:21 PM (fx8sm)
382
One candidate considering a party switch in order to retain her seat is not a crisis. It's a local political contest.
the senate isn't a local body, it is a national one. this isn't a race for dog catcher.
the senate isn't a local body, it is a national one. this isn't a race for dog catcher.
Posted by: Ben at August 27, 2010 02:22 PM (wuv1c)
383
Perhaps next year we could get a new law or rule ... you can only run in one primary per election, and maybe donated monies need to stay with that party?
It could eliminate the Crist types that take Republican money, then turn around and become a Democrat and run as an Independent if they lose. It's bad enough they run on promises to be Republican then vote with Democrats.
It could eliminate the Crist types that take Republican money, then turn around and become a Democrat and run as an Independent if they lose. It's bad enough they run on promises to be Republican then vote with Democrats.
Posted by: bill at August 27, 2010 02:23 PM (SusEZ)
384
Here are the facts as we know them:
1) some guy nobody ever heard of until two days ago clings to a 1600 vote lead with 20,000 ballots yet to be counted.
2) an obscure republican committee sent a lawyer to Alaska at the request of the sitting republican incumbent, presumably for advice and counsel regarding the election.
3) the NRSC lawyer has yet to make a statement, but several bloggers and the primary challenger have jumped immediately to the worst possible conclusion.
4) even if the speculation is untrue, it's truish, has the texture of truth, or is true in spirit.
5) even if Murkowski has legitimately won the primary, conservatives should sit out the election because you know that other guy got screwed by some establishment prick's shenanigans.
6) this is the most important thing in the history of the republic.
1) some guy nobody ever heard of until two days ago clings to a 1600 vote lead with 20,000 ballots yet to be counted.
2) an obscure republican committee sent a lawyer to Alaska at the request of the sitting republican incumbent, presumably for advice and counsel regarding the election.
3) the NRSC lawyer has yet to make a statement, but several bloggers and the primary challenger have jumped immediately to the worst possible conclusion.
4) even if the speculation is untrue, it's truish, has the texture of truth, or is true in spirit.
5) even if Murkowski has legitimately won the primary, conservatives should sit out the election because you know that other guy got screwed by some establishment prick's shenanigans.
6) this is the most important thing in the history of the republic.
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at August 27, 2010 02:23 PM (+lsX1)
385
376 That should be "....not to vote this time".
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 02:23 PM (yfJ6g)
386
If I truly lived by my name, I'd be taking delight in defeat. But wacky me, I merely stand by the slings and arrows it (apparently) takes to secure victory: Change from within - inch by inch, win by win.
Posted by: MasoKissed at August 27, 2010 02:23 PM (gbCNS)
387
You would think we would get rock ribbed conservatives from one of americas most conservative states, wouldn't you?
Posted by: Ben at August 27, 2010 02:15 PM (wuv1c)
I used to be the Sheriff of Rock Ribbed.
Posted by: Ben at August 27, 2010 02:15 PM (wuv1c)
I used to be the Sheriff of Rock Ribbed.
Posted by: Cleavon Little at August 27, 2010 02:23 PM (WZFkG)
388
What ballots do I hold? Can you ever truly know?
Posted by: Schrödinger's car trunk at August 27, 2010 02:23 PM (AZGON)
389
379
Joe Miller has already had to file an official complaint through his
attorney.
http://tiny.cc/ppwge
Someone just added cornstarch to the plot.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 02:20 PM (AZGON)
--I love how the antagonist is named Bonnie Jack.
Joe Miller has already had to file an official complaint through his
attorney.
http://tiny.cc/ppwge
Someone just added cornstarch to the plot.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 02:20 PM (AZGON)
--I love how the antagonist is named Bonnie Jack.
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2010 02:24 PM (BP6Z1)
390
--I love how the antagonist is named Bonnie Jack.
Sheesh, what is this, a remake of "Billy Budd?"
Sheesh, what is this, a remake of "Billy Budd?"
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 02:25 PM (AZGON)
391
This is like the movie Ground Hog Day, but on acid!
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at August 27, 2010 02:26 PM (YVZlY)
392
This guy has an interesting proposal, Ace. Go around the political class. It's constitutional and everything:
http://bit.ly/9hReT6
http://bit.ly/9hReT6
Posted by: Christopher Johnson at August 27, 2010 02:27 PM (FN39A)
393
bombard these bastards w/ calls and emails!
National Republican Senatorial Committee
425 2nd Street NE
Washington, DC 20002
Telephone: (202) 675-6000
E-mail: info@nrsc.org
National Republican Senatorial Committee
425 2nd Street NE
Washington, DC 20002
Telephone: (202) 675-6000
E-mail: info@nrsc.org
Posted by: beth at August 27, 2010 02:27 PM (Gfn8E)
394
Yes she picked her successor which the Good old boys in the Party have tried to cut to pieces, running two candidates against him, one of whom is either thinking of running third party, or joining the eventual democrat's cabinet, a moombat named Berkowitz , They got rid of two of the four good Republicans that were put up as appointments, on spurious grounds. tHe Atty General is solid, but most of her team that spear headed the pipeline deal is out.
Posted by: dr. lizardo at August 27, 2010 02:29 PM (bz+co)
395
"....I donno if all that's true, but you got me and baby, I got you"
Posted by: *click* 6:00 am at August 27, 2010 02:29 PM (92zkk)
396
387
Here are the facts as we know them
*golf clap*
7) ace experienced a psychotic break due to advanced ketosis brought on by the Atkins diet. A crack team from Dunkins Donuts has been dispatched to ace's palatial flat in Manhattan to carb-load him.
Here are the facts as we know them
*golf clap*
7) ace experienced a psychotic break due to advanced ketosis brought on by the Atkins diet. A crack team from Dunkins Donuts has been dispatched to ace's palatial flat in Manhattan to carb-load him.
Posted by: Y-not at August 27, 2010 02:29 PM (4/eCJ)
397
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at August 27, 2010 02:23 PM (+lsX1)
You forgot
7) The incumbent senator would not rule out a third party run if she lost, even though she would have to run as a Libertarian when she isn't one.
The 'obscure organization' has famously supported Arlen Specter and Charlie Crist, and vowed never to make the same mistakes again.
9) Nobody knows what the lawyer is doing there, but his organization's track record is bad.
10) The NRSC views supporting incumbents in a primary as a top priority.
You forgot
7) The incumbent senator would not rule out a third party run if she lost, even though she would have to run as a Libertarian when she isn't one.
The 'obscure organization' has famously supported Arlen Specter and Charlie Crist, and vowed never to make the same mistakes again.9) Nobody knows what the lawyer is doing there, but his organization's track record is bad.
10) The NRSC views supporting incumbents in a primary as a top priority.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 27, 2010 02:29 PM (FkKjr)
398
Wasn't Billy Budd hanged?
Posted by: ingenus at August 27, 2010 02:29 PM (+sBB4)
399
If you like your winning candidate, you can keep your winning candidate.
Posted by: NRSC at August 27, 2010 02:29 PM (QUssN)
400
Just ruins the pancakes.
I'm more a waffle guy...thak you.
I'm more a waffle guy...thak you.
Posted by: Prez. Barack "The One" Obama at August 27, 2010 02:29 PM (OWjjx)
401
Anti-depressants can be very cool. When you become mired in the thought that all is lost, a new perspective makes its way through the mental bullshit.
Posted by: MasoKissed at August 27, 2010 02:29 PM (gbCNS)
402
Here are the facts as we know them:
1) some guy nobody ever heard of until two days ago clings to a 1600 vote lead with 20,000 ballots yet to be counted.
20,000 total, not all republican
2) an obscure republican committee sent a lawyer to Alaska at the request of the sitting republican incumbent, presumably for advice and counsel regarding the election.
NRSC is the Sentarorial Committee for the Republican . I don't think that is obscure. That's like saying the RNC is an obscure committee.
3) the NRSC lawyer has yet to make a statement, but several bloggers and the primary challenger have jumped immediately to the worst possible conclusion.
Several Bloggers have sited information related to them by people within the party. Including the Libertarian party of alaska. But we should take the NRSC's word for it, they always are truthful.
4) even if the speculation is untrue, it's truish, has the texture of truth, or is true in spirit.
You have proof it is untrue? The Miller campaign is already filing briefs. I am sure they are doing that because there is no problem.
5) even if Murkowski has legitimately won the primary, conservatives should sit out the election because you know that other guy got screwed by some establishment prick's shenanigans.
No one said that. if she didn't win legitimately, then they should sit out. If she wins and it is legit, then vote for her.
6) this is the most important thing in the history of the republic.
no one made that claim.
7) I'm a cunt
you didn't say that. i added it.
1) some guy nobody ever heard of until two days ago clings to a 1600 vote lead with 20,000 ballots yet to be counted.
20,000 total, not all republican
2) an obscure republican committee sent a lawyer to Alaska at the request of the sitting republican incumbent, presumably for advice and counsel regarding the election.
NRSC is the Sentarorial Committee for the Republican . I don't think that is obscure. That's like saying the RNC is an obscure committee.
3) the NRSC lawyer has yet to make a statement, but several bloggers and the primary challenger have jumped immediately to the worst possible conclusion.
Several Bloggers have sited information related to them by people within the party. Including the Libertarian party of alaska. But we should take the NRSC's word for it, they always are truthful.
4) even if the speculation is untrue, it's truish, has the texture of truth, or is true in spirit.
You have proof it is untrue? The Miller campaign is already filing briefs. I am sure they are doing that because there is no problem.
5) even if Murkowski has legitimately won the primary, conservatives should sit out the election because you know that other guy got screwed by some establishment prick's shenanigans.
No one said that. if she didn't win legitimately, then they should sit out. If she wins and it is legit, then vote for her.
6) this is the most important thing in the history of the republic.
no one made that claim.
7) I'm a cunt
you didn't say that. i added it.
Posted by: Ben at August 27, 2010 02:30 PM (wuv1c)
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The request to disbarr a Murkowski poll watcher over one ballot means Miller is gonna fight tooth and nail. That is good.
Posted by: maddogg at August 27, 2010 02:30 PM (OlN4e)
404
387,
1) The people of Alaska had heard of him
2) planted bias in this one
3) his presence is a statement
4) opinion, not fact
5) once shenanigans start only a Divine eye knows what is legitimate
6) Yeah, what's one tiny little Senate seat worth anyway?
1) The people of Alaska had heard of him
2) planted bias in this one
3) his presence is a statement
4) opinion, not fact
5) once shenanigans start only a Divine eye knows what is legitimate
6) Yeah, what's one tiny little Senate seat worth anyway?
Posted by: eman at August 27, 2010 02:30 PM (rIm2V)
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7) the lawyer is ace's tranny lover and he's upset that it's Spam and TV dinners this week
Posted by: ingenus at August 27, 2010 02:31 PM (+sBB4)
406
As I wander OT again, check out Iowahawk. He's making me thirsty. This is a real product.
Limited
Release
LAGUNITAS
say “lah-goo-knee-tuss”
W I L C O
T A N G O
FOXTROT
A Malty, Robusty,
Jobless Recovery Ale’
We’re not quite in the Red, or in the
Black… …Does that mean we’re in the Brown?!
Limited
Release
LAGUNITAS
say “lah-goo-knee-tuss”
W I L C O
T A N G O
FOXTROT
A Malty, Robusty,
Jobless Recovery Ale’
We’re not quite in the Red, or in the
Black… …Does that mean we’re in the Brown?!
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 02:31 PM (AZGON)
407
In the strictest sense of the word, the system of government established
by the Constitution was never intended to be a "democracy." This is
evident not only in the wording of the Pledge of Allegiance
but in the Constitution itself which declares that "The United States
shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of
Government" (Article IV,
Section 4). Moreover, the scheme of representation and the various
mechanisms for selecting representatives established by the Constitution
were clearly intended to produce a republic, not a democracy.
by the Constitution was never intended to be a "democracy." This is
evident not only in the wording of the Pledge of Allegiance
but in the Constitution itself which declares that "The United States
shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of
Government" (Article IV,
Section 4). Moreover, the scheme of representation and the various
mechanisms for selecting representatives established by the Constitution
were clearly intended to produce a republic, not a democracy.
Posted by: john stevens at August 27, 2010 02:32 PM (Wh1R+)
408
I don't know Jack.
Posted by: The Divine Eye at August 27, 2010 02:32 PM (+sBB4)
409
First Palin Rumble in the storyline:
Newsmax LINK
Excerpt:
Miller's campaign is countering the senatorial committee's injection
into the race with heavyweight legal artillery of its own, however.
Sarah Palin's personal attorney, Thomas V. Van Flein of Fairbanks, has
entered the fray on Miller's behalf.
Palin's endorsement of Miller was credited as a major factor in his last-minute surge.
On Thursday, Van Flein wrote a letter to Gail Fenumiai, the state’s
elections director who will oversee the counting of absentee ballots,
asking that a Murkowski campaign observer, Bonnie Jack, be "disbarred"
from future election activities.
Newsmax LINK
Excerpt:
Miller's campaign is countering the senatorial committee's injection
into the race with heavyweight legal artillery of its own, however.
Sarah Palin's personal attorney, Thomas V. Van Flein of Fairbanks, has
entered the fray on Miller's behalf.
Palin's endorsement of Miller was credited as a major factor in his last-minute surge.
On Thursday, Van Flein wrote a letter to Gail Fenumiai, the state’s
elections director who will oversee the counting of absentee ballots,
asking that a Murkowski campaign observer, Bonnie Jack, be "disbarred"
from future election activities.
Posted by: mrp at August 27, 2010 02:32 PM (HjPtV)
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Really, Ben, this election isn't for dog catcher? Wow. Doesn't have a fucking thing to do with what I said. This IS a local race and it WILL be determined entirely by the citizens of Alaska. It's plain that about 50% of AK Republicans prefer Murkowski and the other half prefers Miller. That's not a crisis, it's politics.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 27, 2010 02:34 PM (h6kb0)
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7. MATT DAMON!!!
Posted by: Matt Damon! at August 27, 2010 02:34 PM (92zkk)
412
It's plain that about 50% of AK Republicans prefer Murkowski and the other half prefers Miller.
I doubt if that's true anymore, but that doesn't effect the balloting.
I doubt if that's true anymore, but that doesn't effect the balloting.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 27, 2010 02:37 PM (T0NGe)
413
But Intrade has Murkowski up 78%
Posted by: In before In Before In Before In Before In Before the Troll at August 27, 2010 02:37 PM (OWjjx)
414
It's getting testy in here, even under the table. I wish someone would do a post on bunnies or something. Maybe a discussion of longbows.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 02:38 PM (AZGON)
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Ace:
There’s a line I picked up here:
“You may not be interested in War Politics, Socialism, Leftism, all the rest of the bullshit, but War Politics, Socialism, Leftism, all the rest of the bullshit is interested in you” – Trotsky Arb.
The stuff you wrote at the beginning of this thread; I mostly agree, ……….
This is real life, and even though it’s a very small piece, this isn’t a movie, or a pro sports game. When it ends, you don’t get to go home and then it’s over (Monday morning quarterbacking optional).
Instead, some shit that shouldn’t flush will likely be institutionalized, and it will affect you ........ and me...... and everyone else ...... forever.
That squirrely moron Kos built his blog into a political force; he even managed to cancel a Democratic Presidential debate, all by himself. He also gets TV time …….. How?
To a large extent, Kos is simply a yappy dog for very much larger interests, and, however radical and avant-garde he poses, merely grunts out The Party Line (but more fashionably).
The thing you lack is backing, and the Republican party hierarchy is not even remotely as smart as they pretend (and expect to be treated) and doubtfully trustable.
You have a blog, and judging by the comments and research I’ve read on it since 2006, a plenty big talent pool, one of the biggest. There are many other blogs that are effectively allies ..............
Passing Grabthar's hammer on to the next blog is easy; getting it back, well, ........ larChes sojJnoh is an example.
Go and get 15 minutes of sunlight.
Then Just Do It. Or Never Give Up, Never Surrender. Or something.
There’s a line I picked up here:
“You may not be interested in War Politics, Socialism, Leftism, all the rest of the bullshit, but War Politics, Socialism, Leftism, all the rest of the bullshit is interested in you” – Trotsky Arb.
The stuff you wrote at the beginning of this thread; I mostly agree, ……….
This is real life, and even though it’s a very small piece, this isn’t a movie, or a pro sports game. When it ends, you don’t get to go home and then it’s over (Monday morning quarterbacking optional).
Instead, some shit that shouldn’t flush will likely be institutionalized, and it will affect you ........ and me...... and everyone else ...... forever.
That squirrely moron Kos built his blog into a political force; he even managed to cancel a Democratic Presidential debate, all by himself. He also gets TV time …….. How?
To a large extent, Kos is simply a yappy dog for very much larger interests, and, however radical and avant-garde he poses, merely grunts out The Party Line (but more fashionably).
The thing you lack is backing, and the Republican party hierarchy is not even remotely as smart as they pretend (and expect to be treated) and doubtfully trustable.
You have a blog, and judging by the comments and research I’ve read on it since 2006, a plenty big talent pool, one of the biggest. There are many other blogs that are effectively allies ..............
Passing Grabthar's hammer on to the next blog is easy; getting it back, well, ........ larChes sojJnoh is an example.
Go and get 15 minutes of sunlight.
Then Just Do It. Or Never Give Up, Never Surrender. Or something.
Posted by: Arbalest at August 27, 2010 02:38 PM (VZC6E)
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speaking of the NFL...
have you seen Tom Brady lately? He looks very Hollywood.
And by Hollywood, I mean gay. He looks like a 19-year old contestant on America Idol with his ridiculous hairdo.
have you seen Tom Brady lately? He looks very Hollywood.
And by Hollywood, I mean gay. He looks like a 19-year old contestant on America Idol with his ridiculous hairdo.
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 02:39 PM (uFokq)
417
415,
It is a local race for a national office.
This race is also showing a national audience how the NRSC, a national organization, behaves.
It is a local race for a national office.
This race is also showing a national audience how the NRSC, a national organization, behaves.
Posted by: eman at August 27, 2010 02:40 PM (rIm2V)
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 02:40 PM (uFokq)
419
still standing w/ digitus medius fully extended to the steele head gang...
eventually we will win.
eventually we will win.
Posted by: J2 at August 27, 2010 02:40 PM (DCdSz)
420
A Malty, Robusty, Jobless Recovery Ale’
We’re not quite in the Red, or in the Black… …Does that mean we’re in the Brown?!
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 02:31 PM (AZGON)
Lagunitas is a fine craft microbrewery out here in Northern California. What makes this product especially interesting is that Lagunitas is based in Petaluma, deep in the heart of Leftard country, in Lynn Woolsey's district.
If Obama has lost Sonoma County microbrewers, he's lost the country.
We’re not quite in the Red, or in the Black… …Does that mean we’re in the Brown?!
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 02:31 PM (AZGON)
Lagunitas is a fine craft microbrewery out here in Northern California. What makes this product especially interesting is that Lagunitas is based in Petaluma, deep in the heart of Leftard country, in Lynn Woolsey's district.
If Obama has lost Sonoma County microbrewers, he's lost the country.
Posted by: stuiec at August 27, 2010 02:41 PM (7AOgy)
421
A while ago I posited in a thread about what Sarah Palin would/should do that she would be like the Israelis after Munich. She would, systematically, hunt down and destroy her enemies.
There is a reason why the GOP infrastructure doesn't like Palin - they know that she is coming after them.
Palin took out Murkowski's father to win in Alaska. NOT a Democrat, a Republican. Little surprise she endorsed Miller, but the battle lines are drawn. For the NRSC (which is GOP infrastrucutre) this is about Palin, not Murkowski.
I am afraid they are goingall in on this, becausethey can't let this one go to Palin.
But,if they do, it will be ON.
There will be a third party. It will be called the GOP.
There is a reason why the GOP infrastructure doesn't like Palin - they know that she is coming after them.
Palin took out Murkowski's father to win in Alaska. NOT a Democrat, a Republican. Little surprise she endorsed Miller, but the battle lines are drawn. For the NRSC (which is GOP infrastrucutre) this is about Palin, not Murkowski.
I am afraid they are goingall in on this, becausethey can't let this one go to Palin.
But,if they do, it will be ON.
There will be a third party. It will be called the GOP.
Posted by: blaster at August 27, 2010 02:41 PM (Ov86C)
422
I think its fair to say that the ballots will be counted fairly and that both campaigns will forgo a massive legal battle and will instead go with the will of the voters of Alaska.
You can be certain that no outside people or groups will influence the counting of ballots in any way. The State Republican party will ignore its historic ties to the Murkowski family and will be completely fair and impartial in the counting of ballots and potential recount if the margin is slim enough to warrant one.
No outside groups or committees will provide financial support that would give one side a distinct advantage over the other and both candidates will accept the will of the people and not publically state they are looking into third party options.
I think all of that isa safe bet..
You can be certain that no outside people or groups will influence the counting of ballots in any way. The State Republican party will ignore its historic ties to the Murkowski family and will be completely fair and impartial in the counting of ballots and potential recount if the margin is slim enough to warrant one.
No outside groups or committees will provide financial support that would give one side a distinct advantage over the other and both candidates will accept the will of the people and not publically state they are looking into third party options.
I think all of that isa safe bet..
Posted by: Ben at August 27, 2010 02:43 PM (wuv1c)
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When you come across a victim wounded on the side of the road and need to apply emergency first aid:
1. First and foremost stop the bleeding! (That means get out and VOTE Republican - even if you have to hold your nose.)
2. Second attend to the broken bones. (That means systematically ridding the party of powermongering swine.)
Give directly to candidates. Fuck the RNC and the NRSC. I learn more about who needs money in various elections on this site than I do from either of the above organizations.
1. First and foremost stop the bleeding! (That means get out and VOTE Republican - even if you have to hold your nose.)
2. Second attend to the broken bones. (That means systematically ridding the party of powermongering swine.)
Give directly to candidates. Fuck the RNC and the NRSC. I learn more about who needs money in various elections on this site than I do from either of the above organizations.
Posted by: kathysaysso at August 27, 2010 02:43 PM (ZtwUX)
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What makes this product especially interesting is that Lagunitas is based in Petaluma, deep in the heart of Leftard country, in Lynn Woolsey's district.If Obama has lost Sonoma County microbrewers, he's lost the country.Who knew a beer could be a political barometer? Wow. Sonoma County is indeed very leftard.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 02:43 PM (AZGON)
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have you seen Tom Brady lately? He looks very Hollywood.
And by Hollywood, I mean gay. He looks like a 19-year old contestant on America Idol with his ridiculous hairdo.
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 02:39 PM (uFokq)
--Have we seen Brady and Justin Bieber in the same place at the same time?
And by Hollywood, I mean gay. He looks like a 19-year old contestant on America Idol with his ridiculous hairdo.
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 02:39 PM (uFokq)
--Have we seen Brady and Justin Bieber in the same place at the same time?
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2010 02:43 PM (BP6Z1)
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"This race is also showing a national audience how the NRSC, a national organization, behaves."
So far they've sent one lawyer as requested by a Republican Senator. That doesn't tell anyone jack.
I get that people want drama and intrigue and all sorts of grand pronouncements of principle, but so far this is a run of the mill non-issue. Calling it a tempest in a teapot would overstate it's significance.
So far they've sent one lawyer as requested by a Republican Senator. That doesn't tell anyone jack.
I get that people want drama and intrigue and all sorts of grand pronouncements of principle, but so far this is a run of the mill non-issue. Calling it a tempest in a teapot would overstate it's significance.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 27, 2010 02:44 PM (h6kb0)
427
It's getting testy in here, even under the table. I wish someone would do a post on bunnies or something. Maybe a discussion of longbows.
I have my 500 word essay all ready to go on The Greatness that is..................ZACH GREINKE!
I have my 500 word essay all ready to go on The Greatness that is..................ZACH GREINKE!
Posted by: Mallamutt, working in his Zach Greinke T-Shirt at August 27, 2010 02:44 PM (OWjjx)
428
Someone posted this list of options to fix the nation:
- soap box
- ballot box
- jury box
- ammo box
That person went on to discount the first two - soap and ballot box. They pointed to this AK election and other attempts by the NRSC to steal an election. Another person discounted the jury box because of Blago, etc. What both forgot to discount was the ammo box. The EPA is banning your ammo. No moves remaining? The Left wins.
- soap box
- ballot box
- jury box
- ammo box
That person went on to discount the first two - soap and ballot box. They pointed to this AK election and other attempts by the NRSC to steal an election. Another person discounted the jury box because of Blago, etc. What both forgot to discount was the ammo box. The EPA is banning your ammo. No moves remaining? The Left wins.
Posted by: ChicagoJedi at August 27, 2010 02:44 PM (WZFkG)
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415 Really, Ben, this election isn't for dog catcher? Wow. Doesn't have a fucking thing to do with what I said. This IS a local race and it WILL be determined entirely by the citizens of Alaska Washington/Minnesota. It's plain that about 50% of AK WA/MN Republicans Citizensprefer Murkowski Gregoire/Franken and the other half prefers Miller Rossi/Coleman. That's not a crisis, it's politics.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 27, 2010 02:34 PM (h6kb0)
Go ahead and think that Lincolntf. I'll continue to live in reality.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 27, 2010 02:34 PM (h6kb0)
Go ahead and think that Lincolntf. I'll continue to live in reality.
Posted by: buzzion at August 27, 2010 02:44 PM (oVQFe)
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I continue to hope that the support for Lisa Murkowski from the NRSC
will be only that which it is duty-bound to provide and not anything extra
just to keep a good number of moderate votes on the GOP side so that
John Cornyn doesn't have to expose himself to the wrath of Texas voters
by voting against conservative positions himself.
1. Miller deserves every bit the "duty-bound" NRSC provisions that Murkowski thinks she has the monopoly on.
2. Cornyn and Hutchison already have voted against conservative positions. Though Texas is conservative, the Bush/Perry neoconservative globalists pull the Republican Party of Texas strings. WHERE is their outrage making a difference protecting Ft. Hood's town of Killeen from PC Islamic terrorists?
[No, I did not compare Bush to Perry as "fiscal" conservatives, though on that, much of Perry's luster is as real as Obama's administration's figures from DC boasting a jobless economic recovery.]
will be only that which it is duty-bound to provide and not anything extra
just to keep a good number of moderate votes on the GOP side so that
John Cornyn doesn't have to expose himself to the wrath of Texas voters
by voting against conservative positions himself.
1. Miller deserves every bit the "duty-bound" NRSC provisions that Murkowski thinks she has the monopoly on.
2. Cornyn and Hutchison already have voted against conservative positions. Though Texas is conservative, the Bush/Perry neoconservative globalists pull the Republican Party of Texas strings. WHERE is their outrage making a difference protecting Ft. Hood's town of Killeen from PC Islamic terrorists?
[No, I did not compare Bush to Perry as "fiscal" conservatives, though on that, much of Perry's luster is as real as Obama's administration's figures from DC boasting a jobless economic recovery.]
Posted by: Beto at August 27, 2010 02:46 PM (H+LJc)
431
Posted by: blaster at August 27, 2010 02:41 PM (Ov86C)
You may be on to something. I think Palin backed McCain because she told him "I'll kill you last."
You may be on to something. I think Palin backed McCain because she told him "I'll kill you last."
Posted by: Matrix at August 27, 2010 02:46 PM (WZFkG)
432
But they can't keep indulging her when she's trying to buy another party's nomination. At that point they have to extract from her either a promise -- a public one -- or turn on her. She can't be both a Republican and Libertarian (capital letters, I mean which party she's trying to get the nomination from)>
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2010 01:18 PM (QbA6l)
Her promise, no matter how explicitand public,would be worthless -- just like Charlie Crist's was.
The NRSC owes the same duty to help Joe Miller as it does to help Lisa Murkowski. It is not a service club, a AAA for incumbend GOP Senators; it's a campaign committee that is supposed to serve Republican VOTERS by helping to elect Republican Senators.
The NRSC should be agnostic during primaries except in cases where a non-Republican attempts to subvert the primary by subterfuge (David Duke comes to mind). Lisa Murkowski is getting awfully close to backing herself into the status of "non-Republican using subterfuge to thwart the will of the primary voters."
Posted by: ace at August 27, 2010 01:18 PM (QbA6l)
Her promise, no matter how explicitand public,would be worthless -- just like Charlie Crist's was.
The NRSC owes the same duty to help Joe Miller as it does to help Lisa Murkowski. It is not a service club, a AAA for incumbend GOP Senators; it's a campaign committee that is supposed to serve Republican VOTERS by helping to elect Republican Senators.
The NRSC should be agnostic during primaries except in cases where a non-Republican attempts to subvert the primary by subterfuge (David Duke comes to mind). Lisa Murkowski is getting awfully close to backing herself into the status of "non-Republican using subterfuge to thwart the will of the primary voters."
Posted by: stuiec at August 27, 2010 02:46 PM (7AOgy)
Posted by: mpfs at August 27, 2010 02:46 PM (iYbLN)
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Give directly to candidates. Fuck the RNC and the NRSC. I learn more about who needs money in various elections on this site than I do from either of the above organizations.
Which if fine And your choice. And something I support you do. But.....if the RNC and RNSC do not contribute an ad, or money, or whatever to the race you think they should......no complaining.
Which if fine And your choice. And something I support you do. But.....if the RNC and RNSC do not contribute an ad, or money, or whatever to the race you think they should......no complaining.
Posted by: Mallamutt at August 27, 2010 02:46 PM (OWjjx)
435
I'm no longer sure of what Ace's actual position of this issue is. All I know is that the entire issue (GOP civil war all that entails)is divisive causes anger.
/Though that doesn't excuse me for honestly being bitchy.
/Though that doesn't excuse me for honestly being bitchy.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 02:47 PM (yfJ6g)
436
The EPA is banning your ammo.
I'm surprised this hasn't had more play on the intertubes, but then I'm not as gun-oriented as many so I'm likely ignorant. This looks like the de facto ban on tobacco in its early stages, except applied to guns.
I'm surprised this hasn't had more play on the intertubes, but then I'm not as gun-oriented as many so I'm likely ignorant. This looks like the de facto ban on tobacco in its early stages, except applied to guns.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 02:48 PM (AZGON)
437
So far they've sent one lawyer as requested by a Republican Senator. That doesn't tell anyone jack.
Which is why the NRSC should clarify what he's doing up there, and take steps to get the base down off the ledge. Maybe this won't become a problem, but if it does, it could become a big one.
I fully expect the lawyer will very publicly be headed home soon, and the NRSC will say that this is a local issue and they are staying out of it.
Which is why the NRSC should clarify what he's doing up there, and take steps to get the base down off the ledge. Maybe this won't become a problem, but if it does, it could become a big one.
I fully expect the lawyer will very publicly be headed home soon, and the NRSC will say that this is a local issue and they are staying out of it.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 27, 2010 02:48 PM (FkKjr)
438
I'm with you on everything you say about Murkowski and the NRSC, but not on your suicidal non-solution.
Specifically....
If the NRSC continues attempting to thwart the sovereignty of the
people, I'm personally out, and I don't care anymore if Obama's
Democrats win....
If the Republican Party is a royalist party, then I flee them as well,
and I confess my error: The more radical elements of the Tea Party are
right, third party is the only way possible, even if it means living
under socialist rule for a generation.If that's how you feel, Ace, then why not just fold up your AoSHQ shop and go find something else to do with your time? You've obviously been wasting it here fighting the good rhetorical fight only to give up on it now when we're within sight of saving the country as we know it (for a while, at least).
In life, you have to make choices. Sometimes those choices are easy, and sometimes they're hard. And sometimes they're really, really icky. A choice between a bad and a worse.
I don't see the 2010 choice as between a bad and a worse. More like between a mediocre and an apocalyptic. Yeah, the mediocre leaves a lot to be desired at times, and sometimes they can be infuriating (as with Diehard with a Murk), but they're still enormously preferable to the apocalyptic.
If you want to look at the 2010 choice between a bad and a worse, fine and dandy. But worse is still worse. You can't possibly sustain the argument that one (more) recalcitrant RINO is as bad as what we've endured the last year and a half under the Obama regime, and that enduring a generation of it is preferable, all so that you can make an intra-party point. You just can't.
The hell of this is, we (at least on this site) are poised to reenact the same tighty-righty lunacy that helped launch the Obamadency four years ago. You can't convince me that YOU need to be told this after all you've written about the futility of puristic fratricide.
In short, we must prioritize. Take Congress back first, then take back the White House, THEN have this "keep your hands off our primary" scrum.
Besides, given the likely public reaction to Murk buying herself the Libertarian slot, isn't it more likely that she'll go the way of Sorry Charlie Crist and fade in the general, leaving Joe Miller the ultimate winner? Isn't that why (at least as much as the Palin endorsement) Miller won (assuming his current lead holds) the primary in the first place?
Specifically....
If the NRSC continues attempting to thwart the sovereignty of the
people, I'm personally out, and I don't care anymore if Obama's
Democrats win....
If the Republican Party is a royalist party, then I flee them as well,
and I confess my error: The more radical elements of the Tea Party are
right, third party is the only way possible, even if it means living
under socialist rule for a generation.If that's how you feel, Ace, then why not just fold up your AoSHQ shop and go find something else to do with your time? You've obviously been wasting it here fighting the good rhetorical fight only to give up on it now when we're within sight of saving the country as we know it (for a while, at least).
In life, you have to make choices. Sometimes those choices are easy, and sometimes they're hard. And sometimes they're really, really icky. A choice between a bad and a worse.
I don't see the 2010 choice as between a bad and a worse. More like between a mediocre and an apocalyptic. Yeah, the mediocre leaves a lot to be desired at times, and sometimes they can be infuriating (as with Diehard with a Murk), but they're still enormously preferable to the apocalyptic.
If you want to look at the 2010 choice between a bad and a worse, fine and dandy. But worse is still worse. You can't possibly sustain the argument that one (more) recalcitrant RINO is as bad as what we've endured the last year and a half under the Obama regime, and that enduring a generation of it is preferable, all so that you can make an intra-party point. You just can't.
The hell of this is, we (at least on this site) are poised to reenact the same tighty-righty lunacy that helped launch the Obamadency four years ago. You can't convince me that YOU need to be told this after all you've written about the futility of puristic fratricide.
In short, we must prioritize. Take Congress back first, then take back the White House, THEN have this "keep your hands off our primary" scrum.
Besides, given the likely public reaction to Murk buying herself the Libertarian slot, isn't it more likely that she'll go the way of Sorry Charlie Crist and fade in the general, leaving Joe Miller the ultimate winner? Isn't that why (at least as much as the Palin endorsement) Miller won (assuming his current lead holds) the primary in the first place?
Posted by: JASmius at August 27, 2010 02:48 PM (r1XeY)
439
>> Actually I believe you could logically hold the main points of both of ace's rants.
In lieu of actual facts, something benign could begoing on or something sinister.
None of us knows. I'm one of those guys who doesn't have a bottomless well of outrage to draw upon, so I wait until I know something before I get outraged.
In lieu of actual facts, something benign could begoing on or something sinister.
None of us knows. I'm one of those guys who doesn't have a bottomless well of outrage to draw upon, so I wait until I know something before I get outraged.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at August 27, 2010 02:50 PM (WvXvd)
440
Her promise, no matter how explicitand public,would be worthless -- just like Charlie Crist's was.
True but then its a case of giving her the rope to hang herself with and even watching her happily tie the noose.
True but then its a case of giving her the rope to hang herself with and even watching her happily tie the noose.
Posted by: buzzion at August 27, 2010 02:51 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2010 02:51 PM (BP6Z1)
442
I may be an obscure cunt, but I don't go lunging for the fainting couch every time some dipshit on redstate.com speculates on the republican party's most recent traitorous betrayal. You whining cocksuckers can't wait 15 minutes to actually know something before posting your vitally important comments and, undoubtedly, cc'ing them to your circle jerk of like minded dumbasses, not to mention every obscure relative, neighbor and co-worker who had the misfortune of having you come across their email address.
You might be right, but would it kill you to actually be in possession of a fact or two before flecking your monitor with apoplectic rage fueled spittle?
You might be right, but would it kill you to actually be in possession of a fact or two before flecking your monitor with apoplectic rage fueled spittle?
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at August 27, 2010 02:52 PM (+lsX1)
443
Question: How do we know the 8,972 "questioned ballots" aren't already a part of the election night tally? Would they really set aside those to be counted later?
Posted by: Smapty at August 27, 2010 02:52 PM (bAySe)
444
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 02:48 PM (AZGON)
Obama and the Left have thrown too much shit against the wall and its all sticking. The right is always screaming these days over real dangers that no one listens. Think of all the crazy shit going on. its a cacophony. The Left, including 90% of the media, support a ban on guns. And the middle doesn't give a shit until it's too late. They're more concerned with Lindsey Lohan and other bullshit.
Obama and the Left have thrown too much shit against the wall and its all sticking. The right is always screaming these days over real dangers that no one listens. Think of all the crazy shit going on. its a cacophony. The Left, including 90% of the media, support a ban on guns. And the middle doesn't give a shit until it's too late. They're more concerned with Lindsey Lohan and other bullshit.
Posted by: ChicagoJedi at August 27, 2010 02:52 PM (WZFkG)
445
How about James "Lights Out" Toney fighting UFC?
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2010 02:52 PM (BP6Z1)
446
rinos, or whatever, make me freak, we cannot give up driving them out of the party, but the radical left will never, ever leave you alone, they will herd you, hound you, turn reason upside down, and bring yes a new dark age, they will not care, our founding fathers faced similar times-let's study their resolve and keep fighting!
Posted by: frankg at August 27, 2010 02:53 PM (nMU90)
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 02:53 PM (uFokq)
448
Word is Murkowski
is already attempting to buy the Libertarian nomination
There is no escaping the Ronulan Empire.
is already attempting to buy the Libertarian nomination
There is no escaping the Ronulan Empire.
Posted by: The Ronulan Empire at August 27, 2010 02:53 PM (AZGON)
449
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at August 27, 2010 02:23 PM (+lsX1)You forgot7) The incumbent senator would not rule out a third party run if she lost, even though she would have to run as a Libertarian when she isn't one. The 'obscure organization' has famously supported Arlen Specter and Charlie Crist, and vowed never to make the same mistakes again.9) Nobody knows what the lawyer is doing there, but his organization's track record is bad.10) The NRSC views supporting incumbents in a primary as a top priority.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk
The threat that she made was aimed directly at the organization she called upon for help. The threat wasn't aimed at Miller, or Yukon Dave, or the migrating moose. She levelled it at the Republican party while simultaneously calling them in to help. When such a scenario occurs, people tend to wonder whether the threatenee is acting under SOP, or whether they are reacting to the threat. If you wish to pretend that this dynamic is not in play do so.
What is bemusing is that several people have downplayed this, and contradicted themselves by telling people to 'not get personal', noting the damage she could do if she broke ranks during the lame duck session or if she really went third party.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk
The threat that she made was aimed directly at the organization she called upon for help. The threat wasn't aimed at Miller, or Yukon Dave, or the migrating moose. She levelled it at the Republican party while simultaneously calling them in to help. When such a scenario occurs, people tend to wonder whether the threatenee is acting under SOP, or whether they are reacting to the threat. If you wish to pretend that this dynamic is not in play do so.
What is bemusing is that several people have downplayed this, and contradicted themselves by telling people to 'not get personal', noting the damage she could do if she broke ranks during the lame duck session or if she really went third party.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 27, 2010 02:53 PM (R2fpr)
450
As for changing the subject, well, the Chiefs have a pre-season game tonight.
The Chiefs are in Kansas City. You know who else is in Kansas City......
The Greatness that is.....Zach Greinke
The Chiefs are in Kansas City. You know who else is in Kansas City......
The Greatness that is.....Zach Greinke
Posted by: Mallamutt, now determined to work Zach Greinke into every post at August 27, 2010 02:53 PM (OWjjx)
451
So far they've sent one lawyer as requested by a Republican Senator. That doesn't tell anyone jack.
Posted by: Lincolntf
It tells us they are getting involved on one side vs. another.
The proper response is to say "No".
Posted by: Lincolntf
It tells us they are getting involved on one side vs. another.
The proper response is to say "No".
Posted by: eman at August 27, 2010 02:54 PM (rIm2V)
452
1) take NRSC $$$'s in failed primary bid
2) shamelessly switch parties post-defeat
3) ???
4) PROFIT!
1) take NRSC $$$'s in failed primary bid
2) shamelessly switch parties post-defeat
3) ???
4) PROFIT!
Posted by: Dang Straights at August 27, 2010 02:54 PM (fx8sm)
453
421 speaking of the NFL...have you seen Tom Brady lately? He looks very Hollywood.And by Hollywood, I mean gay. He looks like a 19-year old contestant on America Idol with his ridiculous hairdo.
Yeah. He always looked like he was a bit swish, but now he looks full-on Teh Gay. On the bright side, it also looks like he's back to 2007 form. Look for a lot of Patriots games tobe around 38-35.
Yeah. He always looked like he was a bit swish, but now he looks full-on Teh Gay. On the bright side, it also looks like he's back to 2007 form. Look for a lot of Patriots games tobe around 38-35.
Posted by: Truman North at August 27, 2010 02:54 PM (3h3kv)
454
Question: How do we know the 8,972 "questioned ballots" aren't already a part of the election night tally? Would they really set aside those to be counted later?
Posted by: Smapty at August 27, 2010 02:52 PM (bAySe) '
Yes, they set them aside to deal with them later. If the vote seperation is enough that they wouldn't make a difference they don't bother.
Posted by: Smapty at August 27, 2010 02:52 PM (bAySe) '
Yes, they set them aside to deal with them later. If the vote seperation is enough that they wouldn't make a difference they don't bother.
Posted by: robtr at August 27, 2010 02:55 PM (fwSHf)
455
Conservative > Rino. Either one > 99% of the Democrats.
Posted by: Bosk at August 27, 2010 02:55 PM (pUO5u)
456
You whining cocksuckers can't wait 15 minutes to actually know something before posting your vitally important comments and, undoubtedly, cc'ing them to your circle jerk of like minded dumbasses, not to mention every obscure relative, neighbor and co-worker who had the misfortune of having you come across their email address.
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head
I am not a whiner
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head
I am not a whiner
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 27, 2010 02:56 PM (R2fpr)
457
As the resident democrat, I think I'll just hide over here and watch, m'kay?
Posted by: Navycopjoe on his IPhone4 at August 27, 2010 02:56 PM (CwR7s)
458
As for changing the subject, well, the Chiefs have a pre-season game tonight
Whoo hoo! I may actually get to watch them tonight.
Whoo hoo! I may actually get to watch them tonight.
Posted by: jewells at August 27, 2010 02:56 PM (l/N7H)
459
Teams to watch: Ravens, Falcons, Fudgepackers, Bengals, Cardinals (Leinart will do fine), and Seahawks.
Teams to watch: Ravens, Falcons, Fudgepackers, Bengals, Cardinals (Leinart will do fine), and Seahawks.
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 02:56 PM (uFokq)
460
I think all this might be my fault. I have written some pretty strongly worded letters to the NRSC and the RNC about their behavior lately.
I think I may have made them mad.
I think I may have made them mad.
Posted by: sifty at August 27, 2010 02:57 PM (uZzTg)
461
predict the Chiefs will go 8-8 this season.
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 02:53 PM (uFokq)
--I wish I could be that optimistic.
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 02:53 PM (uFokq)
--I wish I could be that optimistic.
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2010 02:57 PM (BP6Z1)
462
Tell me something, if Murkowskey was ahead and Miller requested an attorney and they sent one would everyone still be outraged?
Posted by: robtr at August 27, 2010 02:57 PM (fwSHf)
463
Posted by: Mallamutt, now determined to work Zach Greinke into every
post
Weave Greinke with longbows and Paul Anka, then I'm with you all the way.
post
Weave Greinke with longbows and Paul Anka, then I'm with you all the way.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 02:58 PM (AZGON)
464
When does football season officially start?
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 02:58 PM (yfJ6g)
465
First!
Posted by: nickless at August 27, 2010 02:58 PM (MMC8r)
466
I have faith the GOP will do the right thing! What could go wrong?
Posted by: Pelvis at August 27, 2010 02:58 PM (LlaBi)
467
You might be right, but would it kill you to actually be in possession of a fact or two before flecking your monitor with apoplectic rage fueled spittle?
Oh, sure, there goes MY whole career!
Oh, sure, there goes MY whole career!
Posted by: KayIsMainlining....again at August 27, 2010 02:58 PM (ERJIu)
468
460 Ok.
The fact that nearly 10% of the election night vote is "questionable" is very curious. How does this number compare to primary elections from past years?
P.S. Is Ace doing research into this?
The fact that nearly 10% of the election night vote is "questionable" is very curious. How does this number compare to primary elections from past years?
P.S. Is Ace doing research into this?
Posted by: Smapty at August 27, 2010 02:58 PM (bAySe)
469
You whining cocksuckers can't wait 15 minutes to actually know
something before posting your vitally important comments and,
undoubtedly, cc'ing them to your circle jerk of like minded dumbasses,
not to mention every obscure relative, neighbor and co-worker who had
the misfortune of having you come across their email address.
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head
I add a picture of a cat in a humorous pose with a funny caption in bad English, so most people look forward to them.
You whining cocksuckers can't wait 15 minutes to actually know
something before posting your vitally important comments and,
undoubtedly, cc'ing them to your circle jerk of like minded dumbasses,
not to mention every obscure relative, neighbor and co-worker who had
the misfortune of having you come across their email address.
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head
I add a picture of a cat in a humorous pose with a funny caption in bad English, so most people look forward to them.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 27, 2010 02:59 PM (FkKjr)
Posted by: Dang Straights at August 27, 2010 02:59 PM (fx8sm)
471
The problem, Ted's Head, is that if we wait until the NRSC repeats its recent past behavior, it could be too late. Pay close attention to that, okay? I'm not saying we should flip out, but we'd be fools if we fail to let this crew of proven douchenozzles know that we're watching them.
You and lincolntf suffer from an inability to learn from recent history.
You and lincolntf suffer from an inability to learn from recent history.
Posted by: Phil Smith at August 27, 2010 02:59 PM (n+cpx)
472
You whining cocksuckers can't wait 15 minutes...
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's
Gristle Encased Head
---
I am not a whiner
Posted by: Blue Hen
I see what you did there.
You whining cocksuckers can't wait 15 minutes...
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's
Gristle Encased Head
---
I am not a whiner
Posted by: Blue Hen
I see what you did there.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 02:59 PM (AZGON)
473
I think that the days of the EPA being the political activist branch of the Democratic party are to be short. Can you say DEFUNDED?
Posted by: maddogg at August 27, 2010 02:59 PM (OlN4e)
474
470
When does football season officially start?
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 02:58 PM (yfJ6g)
--Thursday after Labo(u)r Day
When does football season officially start?
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 02:58 PM (yfJ6g)
--Thursday after Labo(u)r Day
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2010 03:00 PM (BP6Z1)
475
You whining cocksuckers can't wait 15 minutes to actually know
something before posting your vitally important comments and,
undoubtedly, cc'ing them to your circle jerk of like minded dumbasses,
not to mention every obscure relative, neighbor and co-worker who had
the misfortune of having you come across their email address.
Is that you Cornyn, you cocksucker?
You whining cocksuckers can't wait 15 minutes to actually know
something before posting your vitally important comments and,
undoubtedly, cc'ing them to your circle jerk of like minded dumbasses,
not to mention every obscure relative, neighbor and co-worker who had
the misfortune of having you come across their email address.
Is that you Cornyn, you cocksucker?
Posted by: Dang Straights at August 27, 2010 03:00 PM (fx8sm)
476
470. It's already over, just give the super bowl trophy to Da Bears and save time
Posted by: Navycopjoe on his IPhone4 at August 27, 2010 03:00 PM (CwR7s)
477
Damn McCain. I really want to dislike him uneqivocally and then I turn the TV on last night and the movie Hanoi Hilton was on. Made me feel guilty for my dislike.
Posted by: polynikes at August 27, 2010 02:53 PM (m2CN7)
It sounds horrible but sometimes I think he used up all his honor/courage/principles in Hanoi just to survive. Look he isn't a full on leftard. He supported the surge when he didn't need to. He isn't the devil. But from what can tell he's a mean, vindictive asshole who sabotages conservatism just to throw his weight around and is obviously a corrupt career politician. I won't feel bad when we replace him. I honor his service and the amazing perseverance he showed in Nam. That doesn't give him a free pass to be such a douche now. He gets my support this election so we can have majority, but next primary he's back on my shit list. So don't feel bad at all.
Posted by: polynikes at August 27, 2010 02:53 PM (m2CN7)
It sounds horrible but sometimes I think he used up all his honor/courage/principles in Hanoi just to survive. Look he isn't a full on leftard. He supported the surge when he didn't need to. He isn't the devil. But from what can tell he's a mean, vindictive asshole who sabotages conservatism just to throw his weight around and is obviously a corrupt career politician. I won't feel bad when we replace him. I honor his service and the amazing perseverance he showed in Nam. That doesn't give him a free pass to be such a douche now. He gets my support this election so we can have majority, but next primary he's back on my shit list. So don't feel bad at all.
Posted by: ChicagoJedi at August 27, 2010 03:00 PM (WZFkG)
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2010 03:01 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 03:01 PM (uFokq)
480
The profanity here is getting fuckin ridiculous. Calm your shit down please.
Posted by: sifty at August 27, 2010 03:01 PM (uZzTg)
481
...why the fuck wouldn't they have already counted the early voting?
Posted by: Smapty at August 27, 2010 03:01 PM (bAySe)
482
It's already over, just give the super bowl trophy to Da Bears and save time
Oh crap, I can't wait to taste your sweet, sweet tears of pain.
Hey how 'bout them Cubbies, uh?
Oh crap, I can't wait to taste your sweet, sweet tears of pain.
Hey how 'bout them Cubbies, uh?
Posted by: Dang Straights at August 27, 2010 03:01 PM (fx8sm)
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 03:01 PM (uFokq)
484
McCain hasn't gone full retard, but he has gone full Murtha.
Posted by: sifty at August 27, 2010 03:02 PM (uZzTg)
485
Shouldn't we reserve judgement until the votes are tallied? Ostensibly those are how the elections are won or lost.
Posted by: typical at August 27, 2010 03:02 PM (bTrk5)
486
why the fuck wouldn't they have already counted the early voting?
Posted by: Smapty at August 27, 2010 03:01 PM (bAySe)
It's not much and if the winners margin was larger than the outstanding votes then it's pointless. Save's cash.
Posted by: Smapty at August 27, 2010 03:01 PM (bAySe)
It's not much and if the winners margin was larger than the outstanding votes then it's pointless. Save's cash.
Posted by: Rocks at August 27, 2010 03:02 PM (Q1lie)
487
482
470. It's already over, just give the super bowl trophy to Da Bears and save time
Posted by: Navycopjoe on his IPhone4 at August 27, 2010 03:00 PM (CwR7s)
--How's that weed I sent you? Good, I take it. . . .
470. It's already over, just give the super bowl trophy to Da Bears and save time
Posted by: Navycopjoe on his IPhone4 at August 27, 2010 03:00 PM (CwR7s)
--How's that weed I sent you? Good, I take it. . . .
Posted by: "David" Haase at August 27, 2010 03:02 PM (BP6Z1)
488
480 470 When does football season officially start?
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 02:58 PM (yfJ6g)
--Thursday after Labo(u)r Day
That somehow seems like a long ways away.
/I see what you did there.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 02:58 PM (yfJ6g)
--Thursday after Labo(u)r Day
That somehow seems like a long ways away.
/I see what you did there.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 03:02 PM (yfJ6g)
489
The fact that nearly 10% of the election night vote is "questionable" is very curious. How does this number compare to primary elections from past years?P.S. Is Ace doing research into this?
Posted by: Smapty at August 27, 2010 02:58 PM (bAySe)
I don't know, votes are questionable for all kinds of reasons. With the voter act if you go to vote and they can't find your name you're allowed to vote a provisional ballot. It may turn out that you voted in the wrong precint and they will count itor that you failed to register and are not allowed to vote.
Posted by: Smapty at August 27, 2010 02:58 PM (bAySe)
I don't know, votes are questionable for all kinds of reasons. With the voter act if you go to vote and they can't find your name you're allowed to vote a provisional ballot. It may turn out that you voted in the wrong precint and they will count itor that you failed to register and are not allowed to vote.
Posted by: robtr at August 27, 2010 03:03 PM (fwSHf)
490
Perhaps, after all, there is something to be said for the notion of enforcing ideological purity. I believe that's where Ace's thinking, at least in this instance, will inevitably take him.
Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at August 27, 2010 03:03 PM (iTRF8)
491
It's that I'm personally invested in democracy. 90% of the reason I am
anti-liberal is that they are anti-democratic. I fled the insanity of
liberal tyranny for the conservative movement for this reason, first
among all others (and all others aren't very close). If the Republican Party is a royalist party, then I flee them as well,
and I confess my error: The more radical elements of the Tea Party are
right, third party is the only way possible, even if it means living
under socialist rule for a generation.
"More radical elements" in contrast with the rest of the radical Tea Party members?
It's that I'm personally invested in democracy. 90% of the reason I am
anti-liberal is that they are anti-democratic. I fled the insanity of
liberal tyranny for the conservative movement for this reason, first
among all others (and all others aren't very close). If the Republican Party is a royalist party, then I flee them as well,
and I confess my error: The more radical elements of the Tea Party are
right, third party is the only way possible, even if it means living
under socialist rule for a generation.
"More radical elements" in contrast with the rest of the radical Tea Party members?
Posted by: maverick muse at August 27, 2010 03:03 PM (H+LJc)
492
There doesn't need to be a third party. There needs to be a second one. /cliche
No "Welcome aboard, Ace!" from me. I'm totally unreasonable about this shit, and I expect much worse from the GOP than primary meddling. They pretty much always do that. We'll see (or not).
No "Welcome aboard, Ace!" from me. I'm totally unreasonable about this shit, and I expect much worse from the GOP than primary meddling. They pretty much always do that. We'll see (or not).
Posted by: oblig. at August 27, 2010 03:03 PM (x7Ao8)
493
488. Obvious cheating against my Cubbies
Or the fact that their bullpen throws like obama
Or the fact that their bullpen throws like obama
Posted by: Navycopjoe on his IPhone4 at August 27, 2010 03:04 PM (CwR7s)
494
You might be right, but would it kill you to actually be in possession of a fact or two before flecking your monitor with apoplectic rage fueled spittle?
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at August 27, 2010 02:52 PM (+lsX1)
You want a fact? The fact is that the NRSC specifically John Cornyn said they would not get involved in primaries. They lied! Flat out, without remorse, lied!
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at August 27, 2010 02:52 PM (+lsX1)
You want a fact? The fact is that the NRSC specifically John Cornyn said they would not get involved in primaries. They lied! Flat out, without remorse, lied!
Posted by: Steph at August 27, 2010 03:04 PM (580hG)
495
popcorn is a BUY right now.
Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at August 27, 2010 03:04 PM (QXvDH)
Posted by: eman at August 27, 2010 03:04 PM (rIm2V)
497
It's already over, just give the super bowl trophy to Da Bears and save time
Do they still have Jay Cutler at QB?
Cause, if so, I really think the NFL can pass on your suggestion.
Do they still have Jay Cutler at QB?
Cause, if so, I really think the NFL can pass on your suggestion.
Posted by: Mallamutt, now determined to work Zach Greinke into every post at August 27, 2010 03:04 PM (OWjjx)
498
McCain hasn't gone full retard, but he has gone full Murtha.
He's practically called his constituents bigots, too.
He's practically called his constituents bigots, too.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 03:04 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 03:04 PM (uFokq)
500
Teams to watch: Ravens, Falcons, Fudgepackers, Bengals, Cardinals (Leinart will do fine), and Seahawks.
You got something against America's most-wanted Team?
You got something against America's most-wanted Team?
Posted by: toby928 at August 27, 2010 03:04 PM (S5YRY)
501
John Cornyn's phone number in DC: (202) 224-2934
Posted by: richard mcenroe at August 27, 2010 03:05 PM (lopJF)
502
It's already over, just give the super bowl trophy to Da Bears and save time
Posted by: Navycopjoe on his IPhone4 at August 27, 2010 03:00 PM (CwR7s)
You want my Cubs world Series Tickets this year? I can't get away.
Posted by: Navycopjoe on his IPhone4 at August 27, 2010 03:00 PM (CwR7s)
You want my Cubs world Series Tickets this year? I can't get away.
Posted by: robtr at August 27, 2010 03:05 PM (fwSHf)
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 03:05 PM (uFokq)
504
That somehow seems like a long ways away. Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 03:02 PM (yfJ6g)
--Yeah, it's the first day of my classes. I am against expansion to 18 games, but very much for starting the season a week earlier.
--Yeah, it's the first day of my classes. I am against expansion to 18 games, but very much for starting the season a week earlier.
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2010 03:05 PM (BP6Z1)
505
Tell me something, if Murkowskey was ahead and Miller requested an attorney and they sent one would everyone still be outraged?
Posted by: robtr
Interesting hypothetical. I'd like to say yes, because there was no cause. If Miller provided proof that for some reason the situation called for expertisefrom the pros from the head office, I'd say no, send one up to BOTH camps. If Miller threatened to bolt the party, I'd say, send one up there, with a baseball bat.
Posted by: robtr
Interesting hypothetical. I'd like to say yes, because there was no cause. If Miller provided proof that for some reason the situation called for expertisefrom the pros from the head office, I'd say no, send one up to BOTH camps. If Miller threatened to bolt the party, I'd say, send one up there, with a baseball bat.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 27, 2010 03:06 PM (R2fpr)
506
P.S. Is Ace doing research into this?
If by 'research' you mean 'swilling wood alcohol from a Valu-Rite bottle' then yes, research has commenced.
P.S. Is Ace doing research into this?
If by 'research' you mean 'swilling wood alcohol from a Valu-Rite bottle' then yes, research has commenced.
Posted by: Dang Straights at August 27, 2010 03:06 PM (fx8sm)
507
It's already over, just give the super bowl trophy to Da Bears and save time
Great, I can use it to prop up my leg for the next 8 weeks.
Great, I can use it to prop up my leg for the next 8 weeks.
Posted by: Brian 'Gimpy' Urlacher at August 27, 2010 03:06 PM (ERJIu)
Posted by: B. Hussein Obama at August 27, 2010 03:06 PM (AZGON)
509
I may be an obscure cunt, but I don't go lunging for the fainting couch every time some dipshit on redstate.com speculates on the republican party's most recent traitorous betrayal. You whining cocksuckers can't wait 15 minutes to actually know something before posting your vitally important comments and, undoubtedly, cc'ing them to your circle jerk of like minded dumbasses, not to mention every obscure relative, neighbor and co-worker who had the misfortune of having you come across their email address.You might be right, but would it kill you to actually be in possession of a fact or two before flecking your monitor with apoplectic rage fueled spittle?
Tell us how you really feel.
Murkowski's campaign are the ones who floated a third party idea. That's not made up.
Also, i don't know who is e-mailing what to whoevers co workers.
Heaven forbid we put any weight into the fact that Joe Miller himself has made a big deal about this. And lets disregard the fact lawyers are filing on his behalf as just pure speculation and not evidence or fact.
Tell us how you really feel.
Murkowski's campaign are the ones who floated a third party idea. That's not made up.
Also, i don't know who is e-mailing what to whoevers co workers.
Heaven forbid we put any weight into the fact that Joe Miller himself has made a big deal about this. And lets disregard the fact lawyers are filing on his behalf as just pure speculation and not evidence or fact.
Posted by: Ben at August 27, 2010 03:07 PM (wuv1c)
510
Obvious cheating against my Cubbies Or the fact that their bullpen throws like obama
I’m not gonna say who could help the Cubs. You can guess.
And by the way….the wife and kids are giving me a great present for my birthday Tuesday, going to Wrigley to watch the Cubs and the Pirates.
I only wish it was a game that mattered.
I’m not gonna say who could help the Cubs. You can guess.
And by the way….the wife and kids are giving me a great present for my birthday Tuesday, going to Wrigley to watch the Cubs and the Pirates.
I only wish it was a game that mattered.
Posted by: Mallamutt, now determined to work Zach Greinke into every post at August 27, 2010 03:08 PM (OWjjx)
511
Do they still have Jay Cutler at QB?
Cause, if so, I really think the NFL can pass on your suggestion.
Posted by: Mallamutt, now determined to work Zach Greinke into every post at August 27, 2010 03:04 PM (OWjjx)
--I think Vegas has a PUSH as to whether he throws more TDs vs. INTs.
Cause, if so, I really think the NFL can pass on your suggestion.
Posted by: Mallamutt, now determined to work Zach Greinke into every post at August 27, 2010 03:04 PM (OWjjx)
--I think Vegas has a PUSH as to whether he throws more TDs vs. INTs.
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2010 03:08 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: Navycopjoe on his IPhone4 at August 27, 2010 03:08 PM (CwR7s)
513
look, for the tenth time...
All us rational adults know ideological purity ends on election day when you step in the voting booth. But that doesn't mean you strive for purity and push your party to strive for purity in the meantime.
look, for the tenth time...
All us rational adults know ideological purity ends on election day when you step in the voting booth. But that doesn't mean you strive for purity and push your party to strive for purity in the meantime.
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 03:08 PM (uFokq)
514
Has McAmnasty pulled the ball gag outta the doughnut hole with big tits and an empty braincase that he spawned (busted rubber baby) yet? She ain't a help to his disingenuous pull to starboard.
Posted by: maddogg at August 27, 2010 03:08 PM (OlN4e)
515
this kind of jackassery is how the PUMAS were born
Say what u like about HRC, okay dont, lol, but after the primaries were over and the frakkers wouldnt give her a roll call at the convention, she worked her AXX off to get the empty suit elected, she IS loyal to the party, sadly IMO,
The GOP leadership should take a lesson from Hillary, Once it's over unite the party the best you can.
when the leadership overturns the will and voice of the people, as NRSC seems to be doing here, as DNC did in 08, THEN you get PUMAS and people sitting home.
DONT DO IT GOP
SUPPORT JOE MILLER
Say what u like about HRC, okay dont, lol, but after the primaries were over and the frakkers wouldnt give her a roll call at the convention, she worked her AXX off to get the empty suit elected, she IS loyal to the party, sadly IMO,
The GOP leadership should take a lesson from Hillary, Once it's over unite the party the best you can.
when the leadership overturns the will and voice of the people, as NRSC seems to be doing here, as DNC did in 08, THEN you get PUMAS and people sitting home.
DONT DO IT GOP
SUPPORT JOE MILLER
Posted by: mim/ginaswo at August 27, 2010 03:09 PM (gxz37)
516
Seriously, toby? You gonna put all your hopes dreams behind Bum Phillips' dumb kid, again?
Yep, at least my disappoint always comes in the post-season.
Yep, at least my disappoint always comes in the post-season.
Posted by: toby928 at August 27, 2010 03:09 PM (S5YRY)
517
NRSC?? Fuck 'em. Support Jim Demint's Senate Conservatives Fund.
Posted by: Buddha at August 27, 2010 03:09 PM (+QCck)
518
I don't buy any of Erick Erickson's anti-NRSC "sources", ever since he put up that total bullshit post about Christine O'Donnell.
That said, I have no idea why Lisa Murkowski is this important. She's a thoroughly middling Senator. Clearly Alaska agreed. Uncle Ted she is not.
Frankly I also do not know how Murkowski ended up in the Senate Republican leadership. She hasn't been there that long, is not a policy expert, and doesn't even represent a particularly "in play" state.
Then again this is the Senate leadership that gave you Bill Frist, one of the more unspectacular Senate leaders I can remember.
That said, I have no idea why Lisa Murkowski is this important. She's a thoroughly middling Senator. Clearly Alaska agreed. Uncle Ted she is not.
Frankly I also do not know how Murkowski ended up in the Senate Republican leadership. She hasn't been there that long, is not a policy expert, and doesn't even represent a particularly "in play" state.
Then again this is the Senate leadership that gave you Bill Frist, one of the more unspectacular Senate leaders I can remember.
Posted by: Chris in Va at August 27, 2010 03:09 PM (oj52M)
519
479 I think that the days of the EPA being the political activist branch of the Democratic party are to be short. Can you say DEFUNDED?
I also hope our AG (Gregg Abbott, TX) keeps fighting them. They have caused many problems in certain industries in this state.
I also hope our AG (Gregg Abbott, TX) keeps fighting them. They have caused many problems in certain industries in this state.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 03:09 PM (yfJ6g)
520
Obvious cheating against my Cubbies
Or the fact that their bullpen throws like obama
I’m not gonna say who could help the Cubs. You can guess.
And by the way….the
wife and kids are giving me a great present for my birthday Tuesday,
going to Wrigley to watch the Cubs and the Pirates.
I only wish it was a game that mattered.
Posted by: Mallamutt, now determined to work Zach Greinke into every post at August 27, 2010 03:08 PM (OWjjx)
--FAIL
Obvious cheating against my Cubbies
Or the fact that their bullpen throws like obama
I’m not gonna say who could help the Cubs. You can guess.
And by the way….the
wife and kids are giving me a great present for my birthday Tuesday,
going to Wrigley to watch the Cubs and the Pirates.
I only wish it was a game that mattered.
Posted by: Mallamutt, now determined to work Zach Greinke into every post at August 27, 2010 03:08 PM (OWjjx)
--FAIL
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2010 03:09 PM (BP6Z1)
521
Tell me something, if Murkowskey was ahead and Miller requested an attorney and they sent one would everyone still be outraged?
Posted by: robtr at August 27, 2010 02:57 PM (fwSHf)
It would be just as wrong. Frankly, there should not be any lawyering up for GOP primary counts. Period. There is a huge difference between two republicans battling it out in a primary and between a Republican having to fight it out against a despicable, lying, scumbag dem who is happy to break every law on earth in order to steal a seat and abuse the power of the government. Intramural party primaries are not the same sort of combat as general elections against scumbag dems. The last thing we need are GOP primaries being fought in any court, or recounted to all hell.
Posted by: robtr at August 27, 2010 02:57 PM (fwSHf)
It would be just as wrong. Frankly, there should not be any lawyering up for GOP primary counts. Period. There is a huge difference between two republicans battling it out in a primary and between a Republican having to fight it out against a despicable, lying, scumbag dem who is happy to break every law on earth in order to steal a seat and abuse the power of the government. Intramural party primaries are not the same sort of combat as general elections against scumbag dems. The last thing we need are GOP primaries being fought in any court, or recounted to all hell.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 27, 2010 03:10 PM (5TNVe)
522
Also, would people stop glossing over the fact her campaign said they wouldn't rule out a third party if they lost.
That's actually an important aspect to this. Her intentions when it comes to the Republican party and her loyalty to it are in fact worth considering, no?
That's actually an important aspect to this. Her intentions when it comes to the Republican party and her loyalty to it are in fact worth considering, no?
Posted by: Ben at August 27, 2010 03:10 PM (wuv1c)
523
468, hypothetically, I'd be PO'ed at Miller, but I simply can't imagine the NRSC supporting a conservative over a RINO incumbent. The thought actually made me giggle.
Put me in a better mood, though. Thanks for that.
Put me in a better mood, though. Thanks for that.
Posted by: Ella at August 27, 2010 03:10 PM (zKypm)
524
Obvious cheating against my Cubbies Or the fact that their bullpen throws like obama Jay Cutler.
FIFY
FIFY
Posted by: Mallamutt, now determined to work Zach Greinke into every post at August 27, 2010 03:11 PM (OWjjx)
525
489 National Favre Leaguecan't wait!/puke
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 03:01 PM (uFokq)
But we can hope he gets beaten to a pulp by the Saints D, and the game is lost due to an interception by him. And then listen to him blame it on Childress.
You know, start the season similar to how the last one ended.
This is the Vikings year with Favre as quarterback. So you know, 9-7 with a first round loss in the playoffs, and hearing him cry like a baby as he "just can't decide if he wants to do this again"
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 03:01 PM (uFokq)
But we can hope he gets beaten to a pulp by the Saints D, and the game is lost due to an interception by him. And then listen to him blame it on Childress.
You know, start the season similar to how the last one ended.
This is the Vikings year with Favre as quarterback. So you know, 9-7 with a first round loss in the playoffs, and hearing him cry like a baby as he "just can't decide if he wants to do this again"
Posted by: buzzion at August 27, 2010 03:12 PM (oVQFe)
526
--FAIL
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2010 03:09 PM (BP6Z1)
I think the handle counts as part of the post. At least the Greatness that is…….Zach Greinke told me so.
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2010 03:09 PM (BP6Z1)
I think the handle counts as part of the post. At least the Greatness that is…….Zach Greinke told me so.
Posted by: Mallamutt, now determined to work Zach Greinke into every post at August 27, 2010 03:12 PM (OWjjx)
527
Or the fact that their bullpen throws like obama Jay Cutler.
Oh, nice. NCJ might be out on his feet with that roundhouse.
Or the fact that their bullpen throws like obama Jay Cutler.
Oh, nice. NCJ might be out on his feet with that roundhouse.
Posted by: Dang Straights at August 27, 2010 03:13 PM (fx8sm)
528
"You should try joining a political party that bases it's policies on clear principles = the Libertarian party."
Right. The same Libertarian Party that appears willing to put a self-serving non-libertarian candidate on the ballot as their nominee just to get some money and attention.
Right. The same Libertarian Party that appears willing to put a self-serving non-libertarian candidate on the ballot as their nominee just to get some money and attention.
Posted by: ArrrJayyy at August 27, 2010 03:13 PM (ADbI4)
529
Who's Zach Greinke? Is that a person?
Posted by: Ella at August 27, 2010 03:13 PM (zKypm)
530
Wow, this long a stretch on one midday post? It's like Saturday.
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2010 03:14 PM (BP6Z1)
531
Then again this is the Senate leadership that gave you Bill Frist, one
of the more unspectacular Senate leaders I can remember.
Frist! I mean, five-hundred-and-thirty-fourth!
of the more unspectacular Senate leaders I can remember.
Frist! I mean, five-hundred-and-thirty-fourth!
Posted by: Frist! at August 27, 2010 03:14 PM (AZGON)
532
I can't even count!
Posted by: Frist! at August 27, 2010 03:14 PM (AZGON)
533
Best thing for GOP to do is to have her best friends in the Senate talk her out of any third party nonsense when she loses.
Posted by: Dan at August 27, 2010 03:14 PM (1jzSs)
534
536
Who's Zach Greinke? Is that a person?
Posted by: Ella at August 27, 2010 03:13 PM (zKypm)
--He's the namesake of Mallamutt's fantasy football team.
Who's Zach Greinke? Is that a person?
Posted by: Ella at August 27, 2010 03:13 PM (zKypm)
--He's the namesake of Mallamutt's fantasy football team.
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2010 03:15 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: Daniel Snyder at August 27, 2010 03:15 PM (oj52M)
536
Also, would people stop glossing over the fact her campaign said they wouldn't rule out a third party if they lost.
That's actually an important aspect to this. Her intentions when it
comes to the Republican party and her loyalty to it are in fact worth
considering, no?
No, Ben, Ted's Head and Lincolntf have decreed that loyalty goes up, and up only.
That's actually an important aspect to this. Her intentions when it
comes to the Republican party and her loyalty to it are in fact worth
considering, no?
No, Ben, Ted's Head and Lincolntf have decreed that loyalty goes up, and up only.
Posted by: Phil Smith at August 27, 2010 03:16 PM (n+cpx)
537
The answer to injustice and frustration is never to curl up in a comforting foetal pose and ignore the world. Its to roll up your sleeves, curl up your fists and fight harder.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 27, 2010 03:16 PM (61b7k)
538
Who's Zach Greinke? Is that a person?
2009 American League Cy Young Award Winner who pitches for the Kansas City Royals, is about 27, absolutely brilliant and would be the pitcher of the decade except for the fact that he pitches for a shitty Royals team that has a harder time scoring runs than Jay Cutler does not throwing an interception.
So yes, he is a person.
2009 American League Cy Young Award Winner who pitches for the Kansas City Royals, is about 27, absolutely brilliant and would be the pitcher of the decade except for the fact that he pitches for a shitty Royals team that has a harder time scoring runs than Jay Cutler does not throwing an interception.
So yes, he is a person.
Posted by: Mallamutt, now determined to work Zach Greinke into every post at August 27, 2010 03:16 PM (OWjjx)
539
Who's Zach Greinke? Is that a person?
--He's
the namesake of Mallamutt's fantasy football team.
Sounds like the name of a Disney movie teen actor. With a swell pitching arm.
--He's
the namesake of Mallamutt's fantasy football team.
Sounds like the name of a Disney movie teen actor. With a swell pitching arm.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 03:16 PM (AZGON)
540
O/T Oh dear...have you morons seen the pic of Obumbles on the bike?? Goto Drudge, get your weekend started off right!
Posted by: dananjcon at August 27, 2010 03:16 PM (pr+up)
541
543
I don't know why you all are discussing Bret Favre. Clearly Washington is going all the way.
Posted by: Daniel Snyder at August 27, 2010 03:15 PM (oj52M)
--Okay, I tried to make this a joke about a certain recently-banned Redskins fan trying to sneak in here, but I got this:"Your message has been rejected because it looks like spam. "So bla**r is a spam tripwire now?
I don't know why you all are discussing Bret Favre. Clearly Washington is going all the way.
Posted by: Daniel Snyder at August 27, 2010 03:15 PM (oj52M)
--Okay, I tried to make this a joke about a certain recently-banned Redskins fan trying to sneak in here, but I got this:"Your message has been rejected because it looks like spam. "So bla**r is a spam tripwire now?
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2010 03:18 PM (BP6Z1)
542
Universal truths: as long as Snyder owns the Redskins, they'll win never win more than 9 games in a season.
The Houston Texans are a perpetual 7-9, 8-8, or 9-7 team.
And as long as Bum Phillips' kid and Buddy Ryan's kid are coaching the Cowboys and Jets, respectively, they will never win a Super Bowl.
Universal truths: as long as Snyder owns the Redskins, they'll win never win more than 9 games in a season.
The Houston Texans are a perpetual 7-9, 8-8, or 9-7 team.
And as long as Bum Phillips' kid and Buddy Ryan's kid are coaching the Cowboys and Jets, respectively, they will never win a Super Bowl.
Posted by: the captain's log at August 27, 2010 03:18 PM (uFokq)
543
@ 544
Phil I agree with you on this. I'm one of the ones who was less than thrilled with Sharon Angle in Nevada. And I've been asked before "Yeah and Crist in Florida? That has to piss you off." But it doesn't. Because Crist has exposed himself as a royal jackass. Even if Rubio loses (which I have become increasingly convinced he will not), I don't regret the way the primary played out because Crist is clearly a douchebag.
Likewise Murkowski. Or at least we're getting to that point. She really needs to decide how she wants to be remembered.
Phil I agree with you on this. I'm one of the ones who was less than thrilled with Sharon Angle in Nevada. And I've been asked before "Yeah and Crist in Florida? That has to piss you off." But it doesn't. Because Crist has exposed himself as a royal jackass. Even if Rubio loses (which I have become increasingly convinced he will not), I don't regret the way the primary played out because Crist is clearly a douchebag.
Likewise Murkowski. Or at least we're getting to that point. She really needs to decide how she wants to be remembered.
Posted by: Chris in Va at August 27, 2010 03:18 PM (oj52M)
544
have you morons seen the pic of Obumbles on the bike??
Mwah ha ha... looks like he's even wearing mom jeans.
How did we end up with this person as President? It seems like a bad dream.
Mwah ha ha... looks like he's even wearing mom jeans.
How did we end up with this person as President? It seems like a bad dream.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 03:18 PM (AZGON)
545
Time to go get the kid from school…I would hate to miss him like Jay Cutler does a wide open receiver in the end zone.
Posted by: Mallamutt, now determined to work Zach Greinke into every post at August 27, 2010 03:19 PM (OWjjx)
Posted by: sifty at August 27, 2010 03:19 PM (uZzTg)
547
I count at least 3001 early votes for REP in this document...
http://www.elect.alaska.net/data/cards.pdf (see. pg. 39)
ANyone want to take a stab and compare these district EVs with the miller/murk ratio in the same districts?
http://www.elect.alaska.net/data/cards.pdf (see. pg. 39)
ANyone want to take a stab and compare these district EVs with the miller/murk ratio in the same districts?
Posted by: Smapty at August 27, 2010 03:20 PM (bAySe)
548
She may make 30,000 for a couple tweets, but can the bitch make a good sammich?
Posted by: sifty at August 27, 2010 03:20 PM (uZzTg)
549
How did we end up with this person as President? It seems like a bad dream.
Any more room down there? My tinfoil chapeau is coming along nicely.
Any more room down there? My tinfoil chapeau is coming along nicely.
Posted by: Dang Straights at August 27, 2010 03:20 PM (fx8sm)
550
You know, even if Murky is "entitled" (she seems to fell entitled to a lot of things) to help from the NRSC, the optics of this are absolute shit. If she somehow manages to pull this out, half the state will think the NRSC helped her steal it and be pissed enough to stay home on Election day, handing it over to the Dems. If she gave a fuck about anything other than herself, she'd concede, endorse Miller, and quietly fade away into obscurity. But she won't. So FUCK YOU LISA, you miserable self-centered scrunt.
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at August 27, 2010 03:20 PM (Fg/7E)
Posted by: Jerry Jones in Texas at August 27, 2010 03:21 PM (WvXvd)
552
As Clinton put it, "Because I could."
I'm not surprised that conservative bloggers made up whole cloth on Murkowsky's behalf simply to support their own position, saying that the NRSC's established purpose is to enable the reelection of incumbents. The audacity of political expedient lies. Not surprised. For now, aware and disgusted with bloggers playing the Big Lie game for the same reasons as Leftists do. Affekt. And Qaddafi referenced the Egyptian Sale to ridicule the trusting. Outraged? If the lie enables the sabotage of Miller's victory and furthers Washingtonian campaign corruption against conservatives.
I'm not surprised that conservative bloggers made up whole cloth on Murkowsky's behalf simply to support their own position, saying that the NRSC's established purpose is to enable the reelection of incumbents. The audacity of political expedient lies. Not surprised. For now, aware and disgusted with bloggers playing the Big Lie game for the same reasons as Leftists do. Affekt. And Qaddafi referenced the Egyptian Sale to ridicule the trusting. Outraged? If the lie enables the sabotage of Miller's victory and furthers Washingtonian campaign corruption against conservatives.
Posted by: maverick muse at August 27, 2010 03:21 PM (H+LJc)
553
548
O/T Oh dear...have you morons seen the pic of Obumbles on the bike?? Goto Drudge, get your weekend started off right!
Posted by: dananjcon at August 27, 2010 03:16 PM (pr+up)
--Okay, that and the one with the black cowboy hat go in the Hall of Fame.
O/T Oh dear...have you morons seen the pic of Obumbles on the bike?? Goto Drudge, get your weekend started off right!
Posted by: dananjcon at August 27, 2010 03:16 PM (pr+up)
--Okay, that and the one with the black cowboy hat go in the Hall of Fame.
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2010 03:21 PM (BP6Z1)
554
have you morons seen the pic of
Obumbles on the bike??
Seriously, this cheesedick was supposed to be the cool candidate?
Twentysomethings have a lot to answer for.
Obumbles on the bike??
Seriously, this cheesedick was supposed to be the cool candidate?
Twentysomethings have a lot to answer for.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 03:21 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: Dang Straights at August 27, 2010 03:21 PM (fx8sm)
556
548 O/T Oh dear...have you morons seen the pic of Obumbles on the bike?? Goto Drudge, get your weekend started off right!
Someone buy him a pair of exercise pants.
Someone buy him a pair of exercise pants.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 03:21 PM (yfJ6g)
557
I tried, America. I even came out of retirement to try. But look what you made me deal with:
http://bit.ly/dcsncT
I'm a coach, not a miracle worker.
http://bit.ly/dcsncT
I'm a coach, not a miracle worker.
Posted by: Joe Gibbs at August 27, 2010 03:23 PM (oj52M)
558
"
Lisa Murkowski, in all likelihood, lost."
Well, not yet ACE.
The votes are not all in...
Democracy works, but the fashion is demanding what it wants now.
SHIFTY is a great example of the ugly, which is far from Conservative.
ACE is the best.
But slow down, let's see who really won, period.
No problem to have some legal counsel.
Nor should the NRSC not be involved.
Take a breath, this is looking like another fashionable flop, and it is not pretty.
Conservatives used to be beyond fashion and emotion, now we see some running at every little drip.
Get a grip, get your feet back on the ground.
Lisa Murkowski, in all likelihood, lost."
Well, not yet ACE.
The votes are not all in...
Democracy works, but the fashion is demanding what it wants now.
SHIFTY is a great example of the ugly, which is far from Conservative.
ACE is the best.
But slow down, let's see who really won, period.
No problem to have some legal counsel.
Nor should the NRSC not be involved.
Take a breath, this is looking like another fashionable flop, and it is not pretty.
Conservatives used to be beyond fashion and emotion, now we see some running at every little drip.
Get a grip, get your feet back on the ground.
Posted by: Brooklyn at August 27, 2010 03:23 PM (Q12g3)
559
Frankly I also do not know how Murkowski ended up in the Senate Republican leadership. She hasn't been there that long, is not a policy expert, and doesn't even represent a particularly "in play" state.
I think that answer is pretty simple. Her Daddy helped to get her into it. Probably with a little extra help from Ted Stevens.
I think that answer is pretty simple. Her Daddy helped to get her into it. Probably with a little extra help from Ted Stevens.
Posted by: buzzion at August 27, 2010 03:23 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: Pizza Hut at August 27, 2010 03:23 PM (H+LJc)
561
544 '/No, Ben, Ted's Head and Lincolntf have decreed that loyalty goes up, and up only. "
Nope, we didn't. Which is why you had to lie and say we did. What I am saying, and maybe the others are too, is that declaring intra-Party "shenanigans" every time a close race might not go the way of the Tea Party is a panicky chump-ass move.
If /when Miller wins, will all the "Murkers" out there acknowledge that there was no evil RINO conspiracy out to defeat him, or will it just be more proof of a conspiracy? Can't wait to find out.
Nope, we didn't. Which is why you had to lie and say we did. What I am saying, and maybe the others are too, is that declaring intra-Party "shenanigans" every time a close race might not go the way of the Tea Party is a panicky chump-ass move.
If /when Miller wins, will all the "Murkers" out there acknowledge that there was no evil RINO conspiracy out to defeat him, or will it just be more proof of a conspiracy? Can't wait to find out.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 27, 2010 03:23 PM (h6kb0)
562
534. Nope, hurt bad but got back up, now the 553 comment....
Yeah, that one fucked me up
Yeah, that one fucked me up
Posted by: Navycopjoe on his IPhone4 at August 27, 2010 03:23 PM (CwR7s)
563
I also think the reason this is pixxing so many of us off so quickly is b/c of the crap Bennett-UT, and his ilk are pulling. Look at that dxck McCollum talking down Scott in FL.
GET BACK ON TRACK GOP
GET BACK ON TRACK GOP
Posted by: mim/ginaswo at August 27, 2010 03:24 PM (gxz37)
564
Miss '80s, who's your NFL team?
Posted by: logprof at August 27, 2010 03:24 PM (BP6Z1)
565
I keep hoping in 2012 the nation will collectively say "Hey, we were just kidding. Those last four years? Yeah, forget them. It was all a bad joke. We weren't really serious."
Well, a guy can hope.
Well, a guy can hope.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 03:24 PM (AZGON)
566
Hey guys! The AK early votes are already tabulated here...
http://www.elect.alaska.net/data/sovc/hd4.pdf
(see pg. 2.)
I'm C0nFUsed, why is the media reporting these as unknown?
http://www.elect.alaska.net/data/sovc/hd4.pdf
(see pg. 2.)
I'm C0nFUsed, why is the media reporting these as unknown?
Posted by: Smapty at August 27, 2010 03:25 PM (bAySe)
567
563 have you morons seen the pic of Obumbles on the bike??Seriously, this cheesedick was supposed to be the cool candidate?Twentysomethings have a lot to answer for.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 03:21 PM (AZGON)
Somewhere Erkel is laughing his balls off and Corky just spewed milk through his nostrils.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 03:21 PM (AZGON)
Somewhere Erkel is laughing his balls off and Corky just spewed milk through his nostrils.
Posted by: dananjcon at August 27, 2010 03:25 PM (pr+up)
568
Ah, new post up to occupy my funemployment without benefits.
Posted by: George Orwell at August 27, 2010 03:26 PM (AZGON)
569
It's only a matter of time before some dictator invades somebody. Zero will hand wring. Hillery will whine to the UN.
Posted by: torabora at August 27, 2010 03:27 PM (WxSea)
570
Hey, I warned you all about this administration. Just look at what I said today. How did you not know then what I know now?
Posted by: Mort Zuckerman at August 27, 2010 03:28 PM (oj52M)
571
574 Miss '80s, who's your NFL team?
It depends. I usually root for the Colts, but I was raised to like the 49ers. Although I have to admit I prefer college football over pro, a majority of my favorite* teams are from Texas.
*Reformed American spelling.
It depends. I usually root for the Colts, but I was raised to like the 49ers. Although I have to admit I prefer college football over pro, a majority of my favorite* teams are from Texas.
*Reformed American spelling.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 03:28 PM (Yq+qN)
572
the Stanford running back that Houston should have picked, Toby Gerhart.
They are KICKING themselves now, Slaton can't hold on to the ball and might only return kicks.
They are KICKING themselves now, Slaton can't hold on to the ball and might only return kicks.
Posted by: Dang Straights at August 27, 2010 03:28 PM (fx8sm)
573
No problem to have some legal counsel.Nor should the NRSC not be involved.
Murky can have all the legal counsel she pays for herself.
No reason at the moment for the NRSC to be biased on her behalf at Miller's expense.
Murky can have all the legal counsel she pays for herself.
No reason at the moment for the NRSC to be biased on her behalf at Miller's expense.
Posted by: Pizza Hut at August 27, 2010 03:29 PM (H+LJc)
574
The Delaware Continentals were referred to as the 'blue hen's chicks. Today, the Univ of Del mascot is simply, the fighting blue hens
That's the dumbest school team mascot name I have ever heard of
That's the dumbest school team mascot name I have ever heard of
Posted by: University of California Santa Cruz Banana Slug at August 27, 2010 03:30 PM (AnTyA)
575
What I am saying, and maybe the others are too, is that declaring
intra-Party "shenanigans" every time a close race might not go the way
of the Tea Party is a panicky chump-ass move.
No, what you are saying is "ignore recent history". Seriously, go to the courthouse, change your name to Chip Diller, and be done with it.
intra-Party "shenanigans" every time a close race might not go the way
of the Tea Party is a panicky chump-ass move.
No, what you are saying is "ignore recent history". Seriously, go to the courthouse, change your name to Chip Diller, and be done with it.
Posted by: Phil Smith at August 27, 2010 03:31 PM (n+cpx)
576
Article: Troops Deserve Credit for Iraq Progress
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 27, 2010 03:31 PM (Yq+qN)
577
It sounds horrible but sometimes I think he used up all his honor/courage/principles in Hanoi just to survive. Look he isn't a full on leftard. He supported the surge when he didn't need to. He isn't the devil. But from what can tell he's a mean, vindictive asshole who sabotages conservatism just to throw his weight around and is obviously a corrupt career politician. I won't feel bad when we replace him. I honor his service and the amazing perseverance he showed in Nam. That doesn't give him a free pass to be such a douche now. He gets my support this election so we can have majority, but next primary he's back on my shit list. So don't feel bad at all.
Posted by: ChicagoJedi at August 27, 2010 03:00 PM (WZFkG)
Years of physical and psychological torture could not persuade McCain that the Viet Cong were great guys. But it probably took only a couple of months of navy bean soup in the Senate dining room to convince him that Ted Kennedy was a swell fella. The lesson is that if you want to extract information, torture works, but if you want to brainwash someone to abandon their principles, chumminess works better.
Posted by: ChicagoJedi at August 27, 2010 03:00 PM (WZFkG)
Years of physical and psychological torture could not persuade McCain that the Viet Cong were great guys. But it probably took only a couple of months of navy bean soup in the Senate dining room to convince him that Ted Kennedy was a swell fella. The lesson is that if you want to extract information, torture works, but if you want to brainwash someone to abandon their principles, chumminess works better.
Posted by: stuiec at August 27, 2010 03:38 PM (7AOgy)
578
The fact that nearly 10% of the election night vote is "questionable" is
very curious. How does this number compare to primary elections from
past years?
I did some research this morning. The large majority of the "questionable ballots" are ones filed by people who were voting out of their registered district. The election board will allow them IF the voter is a resident of the State and throw them out if they are not. That is fair in my opinion.
The board of elections did not seem to think this was an unusual number so it is probably par for the course in AK.
As for the total number of uncounted votes that some are asking about, that 20K number is the total of ALL the requested absentee ballots and the 9,000 questioned ballots. Not all of those 20K "requested ballots will come in by the deadline but a significant portion have. The election board estimates that 2/3 of them are Republican Primary ballots based on the percentages of the poll vote.
very curious. How does this number compare to primary elections from
past years?
I did some research this morning. The large majority of the "questionable ballots" are ones filed by people who were voting out of their registered district. The election board will allow them IF the voter is a resident of the State and throw them out if they are not. That is fair in my opinion.
The board of elections did not seem to think this was an unusual number so it is probably par for the course in AK.
As for the total number of uncounted votes that some are asking about, that 20K number is the total of ALL the requested absentee ballots and the 9,000 questioned ballots. Not all of those 20K "requested ballots will come in by the deadline but a significant portion have. The election board estimates that 2/3 of them are Republican Primary ballots based on the percentages of the poll vote.
Posted by: Vic at August 27, 2010 03:41 PM (/jbAw)
579
"No, what you are saying is "ignore recent history". Seriously, go to
the courthouse, change your name to Chip Diller, and be done with it."
Are you so piss-drinkingly stupid that you don't realize that saying that I'm saying something that I'm not saying points out your utter lack of a point.?
the courthouse, change your name to Chip Diller, and be done with it."
Are you so piss-drinkingly stupid that you don't realize that saying that I'm saying something that I'm not saying points out your utter lack of a point.?
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 27, 2010 03:44 PM (h6kb0)
580
You're a class act, Lincoln. However, what you and the other dude who can't make a point without swearing are doing is ignoring the NRSC's recent history, and telling everyone else to continue to do the same. The stupid arrow is pointing at you, champ. Go buy a logic text, look up "entailment", and then come back.
Posted by: Phil Smith at August 27, 2010 03:51 PM (n+cpx)
581
Ace is confusing me. I can no longer tell when he is serious or not. Is this another parody post? A real threat to leave the party? What happened to all the rah-rah of the past two weeks?
I have a buddy who donated to Scott Brown. He was ecstatic that Brown won. Then Brown voted for Obama's financial reform deal and my buddy has nothing but invective for Brown. Even though he knew damn well that Brown was about as right-wing as a Mass senator could be -- and a massive improvement over that old fat rapist murderer socialist Kennedy. My buddy swings between we-have-to-stop-Obama and I'm-leaving-the Repubs extremes from week to week. It's childish, but he's my buddy.
There is going to be some degree of shenanigans and corruption in every party. If that is what is happening here, then we need to shine a light on it, and call it out. These threats to leave the party are silly, useless, and counterproductive. The perfect is the enemy of the good.
Is Ace still in I'll-teach-the-whiners-a-lesson mode? Like I said, I'm confused.
I have a buddy who donated to Scott Brown. He was ecstatic that Brown won. Then Brown voted for Obama's financial reform deal and my buddy has nothing but invective for Brown. Even though he knew damn well that Brown was about as right-wing as a Mass senator could be -- and a massive improvement over that old fat rapist murderer socialist Kennedy. My buddy swings between we-have-to-stop-Obama and I'm-leaving-the Repubs extremes from week to week. It's childish, but he's my buddy.
There is going to be some degree of shenanigans and corruption in every party. If that is what is happening here, then we need to shine a light on it, and call it out. These threats to leave the party are silly, useless, and counterproductive. The perfect is the enemy of the good.
Is Ace still in I'll-teach-the-whiners-a-lesson mode? Like I said, I'm confused.
Posted by: huh at August 27, 2010 03:56 PM (+ABdJ)
582
> 219 Welcome to libertarianism. We accept walk-ins.
Posted by: Evil Red Scandi at August 27, 2010 12:49 PM
Also looks like you'll accept sore losers who are Rino's. Hell, you'll even have your own libertarian candidate roll over like a dog for Murky.
Posted by: Bruce The Robert
Hell, remember the stunt Howard Stern pulled in the late 1990s(?) He wanted to run for Gov in NY and got the Liberterian party to go along with it. He shows up at their convention, snags the nomination and then, when he discovers that he doesn't like the financial disclosure stuff that candidates are required to do in NY, bails out.
It was real good radio. It also made the NY Liberterian party look like giant douches. Justifiably.
(btw, I don't blame Stern. I enjoyed the whole spectacle. Nobody held a gun to the Libs heads and made them go along with it).
> 219 Welcome to libertarianism. We accept walk-ins.
Posted by: Evil Red Scandi at August 27, 2010 12:49 PM
Also looks like you'll accept sore losers who are Rino's. Hell, you'll even have your own libertarian candidate roll over like a dog for Murky.
Posted by: Bruce The Robert
Hell, remember the stunt Howard Stern pulled in the late 1990s(?) He wanted to run for Gov in NY and got the Liberterian party to go along with it. He shows up at their convention, snags the nomination and then, when he discovers that he doesn't like the financial disclosure stuff that candidates are required to do in NY, bails out.
It was real good radio. It also made the NY Liberterian party look like giant douches. Justifiably.
(btw, I don't blame Stern. I enjoyed the whole spectacle. Nobody held a gun to the Libs heads and made them go along with it).
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at August 27, 2010 03:58 PM (1VBdW)
583
I wonder where that $1M war chest bribe came from?
Posted by: timothyj at August 27, 2010 03:59 PM (b+pBW)
584
The Delaware Continentals were referred to as the 'blue hen's chicks. Today, the Univ of Del mascot is simply, the fighting blue hens
That's the dumbest school team mascot name I have ever heard of
Posted by: University of California Santa Cruz Banana Slug
I must agree.
That's the dumbest school team mascot name I have ever heard of
Posted by: University of California Santa Cruz Banana Slug
I must agree.
Posted by: Univ of nebraska unskilled farm laborers (aka cornhuskers) at August 27, 2010 04:02 PM (R2fpr)
585
The NRSC contact information is under their "About" tab. Scroll to the bottom. This is cut from there:
Contact:
National Republican Senatorial Committee
Ronald Reagan Republican Center
425 2nd Street NE
Washington, DC 20002
Telephone: (202) 675-6000
E-mail: info@nrsc.org This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
Contact:
National Republican Senatorial Committee
Ronald Reagan Republican Center
425 2nd Street NE
Washington, DC 20002
Telephone: (202) 675-6000
E-mail: info@nrsc.org This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
Posted by: MathMom at August 27, 2010 04:03 PM (rzDzT)
586
Ace is confusing me. I can no longer tell when he is serious or not. Is this another parody post? A real threat to leave the party? What happened to all the rah-rah of the past two weeks?He chose to stand in front of the party to protect it from the advancing mob with pitchforks and torches, and proceeded to get stabbed in the back. How's that for an explanation?
Posted by: buzzion at August 27, 2010 04:03 PM (oVQFe)
587
But what about meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee?
Posted by: Lisa Murkowski at August 27, 2010 04:29 PM (dCNYz)
588
548 O/T Oh dear...have you morons seen the pic of Obumbles on the bike?? Goto Drudge, get your weekend started off right!
Posted by: dananjcon at August 27, 2010 03:16 PM (pr+up) .
have you ever wanted to throw a stick in front a prick on a bike......... for the first time in my life i would do it.......
Posted by: dananjcon at August 27, 2010 03:16 PM (pr+up) .
have you ever wanted to throw a stick in front a prick on a bike......... for the first time in my life i would do it.......
Posted by: Racefan at August 27, 2010 04:29 PM (rS8AO)
589
njc – sorry, I guess the Jay Cutler jokes were a little over the top.
And besides you, I may be the only other Cub fan here. So, on that count, I feel your pain.
And besides you, I may be the only other Cub fan here. So, on that count, I feel your pain.
Posted by: Mallamutt, now determined to work Zach Greinke into every post at August 27, 2010 04:35 PM (OWjjx)
590
I guess what is really freaking them out is that I read somewhere that miller did it all grassroots word of mouth and spent less than two hundred grand. Now, the republicans can't have that, you can't win without a war chest of millions of dollars in cash so that those folks can then remind you that "you owe them" since they contributed to your war chest. I mean, if miller wins, that would mean that any "regular joe" could be elected to office. You know some person without an ivy degree and without lobbyists and corporations and unions having him/her beholden to them. Guess the republicans, like the dems, are cut from the same cloth. Power hungry rich folks....
Posted by: curious at August 27, 2010 04:38 PM (p302b)
591
And besides you, I may be the only other Cub fan here. So, on that count, I feel your pain.
.........................
fuck man........... in alittle way we are all Cubs fans..... if they ever win it all, i would be cool with that.......
.........................
fuck man........... in alittle way we are all Cubs fans..... if they ever win it all, i would be cool with that.......
Posted by: Racefan at August 27, 2010 04:39 PM (rS8AO)
592
You guys should be guessing who is going to be at "the event" similar to "woodstock"...tomorrow...and there should be a prize for the best guesser.
Posted by: curious at August 27, 2010 04:42 PM (p302b)
593
Its starting to dawn on more people that (R) and (D) are to
anti-democracy as coke and pepsi are to cola. Everything is controlled
by the same damn insiders club of ivy league flunkies( CFRers and
bankers) with the MFM as their propaganda wing. This isn't a new
phenomenon either....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_(book)
So what you're saying is that I've been right all along: Progressivism is the enemy.
Don't let my tears frighten you from my message, 'k?
anti-democracy as coke and pepsi are to cola. Everything is controlled
by the same damn insiders club of ivy league flunkies( CFRers and
bankers) with the MFM as their propaganda wing. This isn't a new
phenomenon either....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_(book)
So what you're saying is that I've been right all along: Progressivism is the enemy.
Don't let my tears frighten you from my message, 'k?
Posted by: Glenn Beck at August 27, 2010 04:42 PM (gbCNS)
594
585
The Delaware Continentals were referred to as the 'blue hen's
chicks. Today, the Univ of Del mascot is simply, the fighting blue hens
That's the dumbest school team mascot name I have ever heard of
Posted by: University of California Santa Cruz Banana Slug at August 27,
2010 03:30 PM (AnTyA)
Get out! It's poetry, I'm tellin' ya, pure poetry!
The Delaware Continentals were referred to as the 'blue hen's
chicks. Today, the Univ of Del mascot is simply, the fighting blue hens
That's the dumbest school team mascot name I have ever heard of
Posted by: University of California Santa Cruz Banana Slug at August 27,
2010 03:30 PM (AnTyA)
Get out! It's poetry, I'm tellin' ya, pure poetry!
Posted by: Pomona College Sagehen at August 27, 2010 04:45 PM (NGf/6)
595
Don't stick your hand in the crazy.
There's lots of paranoia going around among the 'us vs them' conspiracy theorists who are attempting to hijack the tea party movement to their own lunatic fringe.
As a sitting Senator and member in good standing of the Republican caucus, Murky is entitled to whatever level of help the NRSC offers its members. The idea an NRSC lawyer is going to help her run under another party banner is ridiculous and requires direct evidence to rise above lunatic blather.
Far more likely he will urge her to accept the result of the primary, but we don't know that, either - because their conversations are PRIVATE and CONFIDENTIAL.
Republicans would probably already be the dominant party if it were not for the nuts who foam at the mouth about stuff they only imagine, scaring normal people away.
There's lots of paranoia going around among the 'us vs them' conspiracy theorists who are attempting to hijack the tea party movement to their own lunatic fringe.
As a sitting Senator and member in good standing of the Republican caucus, Murky is entitled to whatever level of help the NRSC offers its members. The idea an NRSC lawyer is going to help her run under another party banner is ridiculous and requires direct evidence to rise above lunatic blather.
Far more likely he will urge her to accept the result of the primary, but we don't know that, either - because their conversations are PRIVATE and CONFIDENTIAL.
Republicans would probably already be the dominant party if it were not for the nuts who foam at the mouth about stuff they only imagine, scaring normal people away.
Posted by: Adjoran at August 27, 2010 04:49 PM (VfmLu)
596
It's just Ace being Ace.
He fucking recommitted to the blog someways after being pretty fucking ambivalent about the whole project for most of the time I've been commenting.
Still and all, he's got a point.
Once you reach the age of 28, you've got to think more long-term and prosaic.
Seriously?
Ace should glean basically minimum wage, if he is lucky, based largely on Pay-Pal donations?
That's fucked up.
That's so untenable.
I think that Ace should be a published columnist like Mark Steyn.
BTW why didn't Steyn ask Ace to fill in,when he went on sabbatical (or whatever)?
He fucking recommitted to the blog someways after being pretty fucking ambivalent about the whole project for most of the time I've been commenting.
Still and all, he's got a point.
Once you reach the age of 28, you've got to think more long-term and prosaic.
Seriously?
Ace should glean basically minimum wage, if he is lucky, based largely on Pay-Pal donations?
That's fucked up.
That's so untenable.
I think that Ace should be a published columnist like Mark Steyn.
BTW why didn't Steyn ask Ace to fill in,when he went on sabbatical (or whatever)?
Posted by: Deety at August 27, 2010 04:52 PM (aVzyR)
597
If people's perception is that the power is what matters and the r's and the d's are essentially the same, one giant party running the spectrum from ultra ultra left wing to ultra ultra right wing.....then it would make sense for people to set out to vote out all incumbents, all of them. As it is, they are trying to make a state a useless entity, they are taking state's rights, which, last I heard was a sort of republican thing. But if ol lisa and her henchmen are going to show everyone that it doesn't matter, the state doesn't matter, the vote doesn't matter, the party doesn't matter, that you can be frankened whether you are a dem or republican if you don't fit the required profile and spend the required money....well heck, no wonder the tea party wants another party altogether, for the normal folks.
Posted by: at August 27, 2010 04:55 PM (p302b)
598
If the Republican Party is a royalist party, then I flee them as well, and I confess my error: The more radical elements of the Tea Party are right, third party is the only way possible, even if it means living under socialist rule for a generation.
I already did, I registered Libertarian. Let's say the L's sell out on this deal, NOW what do I do?
I already did, I registered Libertarian. Let's say the L's sell out on this deal, NOW what do I do?
Posted by: Socratease at August 27, 2010 04:56 PM (7+ZwL)
599
The idea an NRSC lawyer is going to help her run under another party
banner is ridiculous and requires direct evidence to rise above lunatic
blather.
When you're done beating up that strawman, read some posts in this thread. The problem is the notion that the NRSC is helping her ready a ballot count challenge.
Republicans would probably already be the dominant party if it were not
for the nuts who foam at the mouth about stuff they only imagine,
scaring normal people away.
I had this hallucination that the NRSC backed Arlen Specter and Charlie Crist. Did you ever have that one?
banner is ridiculous and requires direct evidence to rise above lunatic
blather.
When you're done beating up that strawman, read some posts in this thread. The problem is the notion that the NRSC is helping her ready a ballot count challenge.
Republicans would probably already be the dominant party if it were not
for the nuts who foam at the mouth about stuff they only imagine,
scaring normal people away.
I had this hallucination that the NRSC backed Arlen Specter and Charlie Crist. Did you ever have that one?
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 27, 2010 04:58 PM (FkKjr)
600
*BREAKING NEWS*
Skinner opening the rally tomorrow for Beck..........
ok...... i made that up........... but it's a good thought.
Skinner opening the rally tomorrow for Beck..........
ok...... i made that up........... but it's a good thought.
Posted by: Racefan at August 27, 2010 05:02 PM (rS8AO)
601
if it were not for the nuts who foam at the mouth about stuff they only imagine
Right, Specter switching parties in an effort to remain a Senator, Scozzaflava dropping out and endorsing a Democrat, and Charlie Crist going independent and keeping all the money he raised is clearly all just in our heads.
Right, Specter switching parties in an effort to remain a Senator, Scozzaflava dropping out and endorsing a Democrat, and Charlie Crist going independent and keeping all the money he raised is clearly all just in our heads.
Posted by: buzzion at August 27, 2010 05:04 PM (oVQFe)
602
Good news. Club for Growth now says they will materially aid Miller's recount effort.
Posted by: Albus at August 27, 2010 05:08 PM (sZNYc)
603
The new party is going to be called "the American people's party" watch and see....
What you guys forget is that in less than a few seconds, Americans, busy as they are, size up the situation and make a decision. They make it based on the information at hand and how it looks. I know as bloggers and journalists you have to have proof but the American people don't need to have proof, they just need to get an inkling, a feeling....if they think something is not right, its not right and guess what, the American people are usually "spot on"....
Sending the lawyer up to see the loser and interfering in the business of the people of Alaska, isn't passing the smell test, no matter how you try and present it.....yep, they won't vote for the dem, they seriously, just won't vote and you or anyone else can't make them....if they feel they've been played, and their choice was not taken, why bother to vote if your vote doesn't matter anyway?
What you guys forget is that in less than a few seconds, Americans, busy as they are, size up the situation and make a decision. They make it based on the information at hand and how it looks. I know as bloggers and journalists you have to have proof but the American people don't need to have proof, they just need to get an inkling, a feeling....if they think something is not right, its not right and guess what, the American people are usually "spot on"....
Sending the lawyer up to see the loser and interfering in the business of the people of Alaska, isn't passing the smell test, no matter how you try and present it.....yep, they won't vote for the dem, they seriously, just won't vote and you or anyone else can't make them....if they feel they've been played, and their choice was not taken, why bother to vote if your vote doesn't matter anyway?
Posted by: , at August 27, 2010 05:15 PM (p302b)
604
I agree very strongly with #443, above. I started reading a blog that had something to do with footballs a couple of years after 9/11, but something strange happened to them and I've been reading this blog ever since. I have never posted a comment either there or here before, but I feel compelled to do so now.
I am a highly skilled embedded systems engineer and Army veteran who has been out of work since May. Usually, technical recruiters are climbing over one another to place me, and I've never gone without work for more than two weeks in the past. Unfortunately, the new Obamanomincs has changed all that. Those with money to invest are holding on to it very tightly right now due to the uncertainty associated with the looming tax hikes and extensive increases in regulatory burdens the current government has been pushing.
On my last job I had to work with a deeply committed Democrat, and it is difficult to express the depth of hatred they feel toward American businesses. Day after day I was exposed to relentless stream of propaganda blaming America's employers for all the evil in the world, and he kept insisting that everything would become clear to me once I'd watched "Sicko" as many times as he had. They sincerely believe that employers are modern-day dragons that they have been elected to slay, and the rhetoric they are exposed to has left them utterly beyond reason in this regard.
The hostility that modern Democrats feel towards American businesses runs deeply counter to the American Dream. As bad as the economy is right now, it will only get worse if they are permitted to remain in power for another two years. Much worse. If we've learned anything in the past two years, it is that investment drives our economy, not government spending. The only hope we have for the American economy is to get investment flowing again by strongly repudiating the Democrat's anti-business populism this November.
Right now, the Republicans offer the only politically viable possibility of achieving that. As much as I cringe whenever I hear someone say, "Please, can't we all just get along," I find myself saying it now. The alternative suggested by Ace to sit out the coming election would be absolutely devastating, especially to myself and the millions of Americans like me who are out of work right now. As unattractive as some Republicans may be, I and many others like me literally cannot afford another two years under the current leadership in Washington.
I was once a registered Democrat, but that changed a few years ago in the midst of their pointless condemnation of the men and women who have put their lives on the line in our armed forces. Now, I am more certain than ever that I will never check a box with a "D" next to it again as long as I live, given what I've seen from them the past two years. I strongly urge all of you to set your selfish "civil war" aside and join me at the polls this November, and help me send them a message they'll never forget. Do it for the millions of us who are out of work, if not for yourselves.
I am a highly skilled embedded systems engineer and Army veteran who has been out of work since May. Usually, technical recruiters are climbing over one another to place me, and I've never gone without work for more than two weeks in the past. Unfortunately, the new Obamanomincs has changed all that. Those with money to invest are holding on to it very tightly right now due to the uncertainty associated with the looming tax hikes and extensive increases in regulatory burdens the current government has been pushing.
On my last job I had to work with a deeply committed Democrat, and it is difficult to express the depth of hatred they feel toward American businesses. Day after day I was exposed to relentless stream of propaganda blaming America's employers for all the evil in the world, and he kept insisting that everything would become clear to me once I'd watched "Sicko" as many times as he had. They sincerely believe that employers are modern-day dragons that they have been elected to slay, and the rhetoric they are exposed to has left them utterly beyond reason in this regard.
The hostility that modern Democrats feel towards American businesses runs deeply counter to the American Dream. As bad as the economy is right now, it will only get worse if they are permitted to remain in power for another two years. Much worse. If we've learned anything in the past two years, it is that investment drives our economy, not government spending. The only hope we have for the American economy is to get investment flowing again by strongly repudiating the Democrat's anti-business populism this November.
Right now, the Republicans offer the only politically viable possibility of achieving that. As much as I cringe whenever I hear someone say, "Please, can't we all just get along," I find myself saying it now. The alternative suggested by Ace to sit out the coming election would be absolutely devastating, especially to myself and the millions of Americans like me who are out of work right now. As unattractive as some Republicans may be, I and many others like me literally cannot afford another two years under the current leadership in Washington.
I was once a registered Democrat, but that changed a few years ago in the midst of their pointless condemnation of the men and women who have put their lives on the line in our armed forces. Now, I am more certain than ever that I will never check a box with a "D" next to it again as long as I live, given what I've seen from them the past two years. I strongly urge all of you to set your selfish "civil war" aside and join me at the polls this November, and help me send them a message they'll never forget. Do it for the millions of us who are out of work, if not for yourselves.
Posted by: Rich at August 27, 2010 05:55 PM (ybLkT)
605
"Either we have a democracy or we do not. If we do not have a democracy,
I won't be forced to choose between one party's anti-democratic leaders
and another's." -Ace (above)
I don't agree with your third party assertion (I voted for Perot - and regret it more all the time!), but my comment is simple - in reference to the above quote:
We are a Constitutional republic, with the powers allocated by the Constitution and Bill of Rights as residing ultimately with We the People (10th Amendment).
The Left has always wanted us to be a democracy - the whole Constitutional Convention notes and journals we have from the Framers, the Federalist Papers, etc. - all document why we need to be a Constitutional republic vs. a democracy.
Since 1789, the USA is a republic. Until Obama and his leftists get their way, we remain a republic. When they are done, if they get their way, we will be a Socialist Democracy. That is the leftists' dream: in other words, a Stalinist-type "democracy."
I won't be forced to choose between one party's anti-democratic leaders
and another's." -Ace (above)
I don't agree with your third party assertion (I voted for Perot - and regret it more all the time!), but my comment is simple - in reference to the above quote:
We are a Constitutional republic, with the powers allocated by the Constitution and Bill of Rights as residing ultimately with We the People (10th Amendment).
The Left has always wanted us to be a democracy - the whole Constitutional Convention notes and journals we have from the Framers, the Federalist Papers, etc. - all document why we need to be a Constitutional republic vs. a democracy.
Since 1789, the USA is a republic. Until Obama and his leftists get their way, we remain a republic. When they are done, if they get their way, we will be a Socialist Democracy. That is the leftists' dream: in other words, a Stalinist-type "democracy."
Posted by: DINORight at August 27, 2010 06:08 PM (TI8FO)
606
#433, I have more than enough laid away to be getting on with, as the Irish say.
Secondly, I was school-trained that your eventual source of resupply is whoever you're fighting. Win the fight, take their shit, get out of there.
Secondly, I was school-trained that your eventual source of resupply is whoever you're fighting. Win the fight, take their shit, get out of there.
Posted by: SGT Dan at August 27, 2010 07:58 PM (p6OcK)
607
So the first thing out the window when the GOP is feeling it's oats?
Cornyn's ability to STAY conservative.
Dear John,
How could you? You know that Lisa women is a RINO.
It's over between us.
I'm outa here
Cornyn's ability to STAY conservative.
Dear John,
How could you? You know that Lisa women is a RINO.
It's over between us.
I'm outa here
Posted by: Blacksmith8 at August 27, 2010 10:00 PM (jufuo)
608
If the Republican Party is a royalist party, then I flee them as well,
and I confess my error: The more radical elements of the Tea Party are
right, third party is the only way possible, even if it means living
under socialist rule for a generation.
This might be the dumbest thing you've ever written.
and I confess my error: The more radical elements of the Tea Party are
right, third party is the only way possible, even if it means living
under socialist rule for a generation.
This might be the dumbest thing you've ever written.
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at August 27, 2010 10:06 PM (dPcmp)
609
No big surprise here. I quit the Republican Party after the last presidential Primary. The grand old party decided who their nominee was going to be (McCain) and by the time our Primary in Wisconsin was held there was only one name on the republican ticket and he wasn't the Republican I was going to vote for. McCain was handed to the conservative voters. We were told who we were to vote for instead of being allowed a vote in the primary. I have since told the NRSC they can kiss my lily white butt. I now support individual candidates ONLY.
Posted by: DailyDish at August 27, 2010 10:30 PM (abbvh)
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Patriot 1: is that a train whistle I hear...????
Patriot 2: no, no, no..... just give it a minute.... it's probably the noon whistle. why do you always jump to Such Unfounded Conclusions....
(hey, watch your step that section of track is loose. keep walking we are almost off of this trestle)
Patriot 1: What's that chugging noise? Didn't we get hit by a train the last time we tried this?
Patriot 2: don't worry we just need to make it to the end of the trestle... it'll be fine then.... This time things will be different. Trust me.
(flying through the air... 2 masses of pulverized confusion)
Patriot 1: i know better than to listen to you.... we keep getting run over by the same train......
Patriot 2: quit bitchin'. when we hit the water and resurface, the National Party will be there to help us out.... grab whatever they throw to you!
Patriot 1: HOLY SHIT.......!!! IS THAT A CEMENT BLOCK THEY THREW??
Patriot 2: Oh stop your fucking whining you mentally stunted douche-nozzle... they are just trying to help.
(and so it devolves)
Patriot 2: no, no, no..... just give it a minute.... it's probably the noon whistle. why do you always jump to Such Unfounded Conclusions....
(hey, watch your step that section of track is loose. keep walking we are almost off of this trestle)
Patriot 1: What's that chugging noise? Didn't we get hit by a train the last time we tried this?
Patriot 2: don't worry we just need to make it to the end of the trestle... it'll be fine then.... This time things will be different. Trust me.
(flying through the air... 2 masses of pulverized confusion)
Patriot 1: i know better than to listen to you.... we keep getting run over by the same train......
Patriot 2: quit bitchin'. when we hit the water and resurface, the National Party will be there to help us out.... grab whatever they throw to you!
Patriot 1: HOLY SHIT.......!!! IS THAT A CEMENT BLOCK THEY THREW??
Patriot 2: Oh stop your fucking whining you mentally stunted douche-nozzle... they are just trying to help.
(and so it devolves)
Posted by: J2 at August 28, 2010 12:02 AM (1Nnkl)
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Double-posted comment, but worth it:
"We have volunteers at polling sites observing the process and anticipate
that when the final numbers are tallied we will prevail."
"We have volunteers at polling sites observing the process and anticipate
that when the final numbers are tallied we will prevail."
Posted by: Gerry at August 28, 2010 10:11 AM (dx/iO)
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This is my first time to post here too. I deeply appreciate the opportunity.
As has been pointed out several times before...the NRSC is not a good-'ol-boy/girl's private club. That may well be how it's abused by sitting Republican incumbent Senators...but that's not in it's mission statement. The NRSC exists to elect REPUBLICAN Senators...not be a cash-cow for incumbent Republican Senators willing to defect to the Libertarians. The honorable thing would be for the NRSC to stay out of a primary...especially a primary where the incumbent is threatening to leave the Republican Party.
But honor is obviously a foreign concept to the bipartisan political class. Honor is for suckers. That's why I no longer am a Republican.
As has been pointed out several times before...the NRSC is not a good-'ol-boy/girl's private club. That may well be how it's abused by sitting Republican incumbent Senators...but that's not in it's mission statement. The NRSC exists to elect REPUBLICAN Senators...not be a cash-cow for incumbent Republican Senators willing to defect to the Libertarians. The honorable thing would be for the NRSC to stay out of a primary...especially a primary where the incumbent is threatening to leave the Republican Party.
But honor is obviously a foreign concept to the bipartisan political class. Honor is for suckers. That's why I no longer am a Republican.
Posted by: James at August 28, 2010 02:10 PM (BJTlN)
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I just sent John Cornyn an e-mail - dang I should have saved a copy of it! And Saturday Night is the worst night to send it, some places dump all Monday morning and start with a fresh clean slate.
It was a good one, too.
Anyway, for what it is worth, as he is my Senator - and Kay Baily Hutchison is a solid RINO!
It was a good one, too.
Anyway, for what it is worth, as he is my Senator - and Kay Baily Hutchison is a solid RINO!
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