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aceofspadeshq at gee mail.com CBD: cbd at cutjibnewsletter.com Buck: buck.throckmorton at protonmail.com joe mannix: mannix2024 at proton.me MisHum: petmorons at gee mail.com J.J. Sefton: sefton at cutjibnewsletter.com | Whip Count: Pelosi Needs 25 out of 29 "Maybes" To Break Her WayFolks are asking where the whip count is right now. Here's what we know: Nancy needs 216 votes. She has 191 Democrats definitely on board, so she's 25 short. Here's where she can get them. No Pretty Much Means No:These were twenty-one "No" Democrats in November who still make noises that sound like "no". Nancy is trying to get a few of these to change their votes and the President is prepared now to offer bribes like the Louisiana Purchase: Dan Boren (OK-2), Bobby Bright (AL-2), Ben Chandler (KY-6), Artur Davis (AL-7), Chet Edwards (TX-17), Tim Holden (PA-17), Larry Kissell (NC-8 ), Suzanne Kosmas (FL-24), Frank Kratovil (MD-1), Dennis Kucinich (OH-10), Jim Marshall (GA-8 ), Mike McIntyre (NC-7), Mike McMahon (NY-13), Charlie Melancon (LA-3), Walt Minnick (ID-1), Collin Peterson (MN-7), Mike Ross (AR-7), Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (SD-All) Heath Shuler (NC-11), Ike Skelton (MO-4), Gene Taylor (MS-4). A few of these folks, like Kucinich, voted no because it wasn't socialist enough. I'm not confident they won't "feel the call of history" if final passage comes down to one vote, notwithstanding their current protestations. However, most of this group goes in the Definitely Not, Not No Way, Not No How category, having already announced that they will stand by their earlier votes. Notice how many come from Red states. Wont Vote For A Bill That Kills Babies: Then there's the Stupak Dozen. These are "yes" votes in November that are now "no" votes. The confirmed members are: Bart Stupak (MI-1), Marion Berry (AR-1), Joe Cao (LA-2, Republican), Jerry Costello (IL-12), Kathy Dahlkemper (PA-3), Joe Donnelly (IN-2), Steve Driehaus (OH-1), Brad Ellsworth (IN-8 ), Dan Lipinski (IL-3). The conjectured final members include Henry Cuellar (TX-28 ), Marcy Kaptur (OH-9). It's An Election Year: Then there's the other "yes" votes who have publicly switched: Mike Arcuri (NY-24), Chris Carney (PA-10), and Luis Guterrez (IL-4). I wouldn't count on Gutierrez to stand by his "no" threat, though. He looks like he's trying to wring some concessions out of the leadership on the proposed comprehensive immigration piece of shit. Carney is a lock; he wants to get re-elected. Arcuri sounded pretty sure of himself, but we'll see. Maybe: That leaves the maybes. There are thirteen who voted "yes" the first time, but have refused to commit to voting the same way this time: Tim Bishop (NY-1), Mike Doyle (PA-14), Gabrielle Giffords (AZ-8 ), Baron Hill (IN-9), Paul Kanjorski (PA-11), Ann Kirkpatrick (AZ-1), Dan Maffei (NY-25), Alan Mollohan (WV-1), Solomon Ortiz (TX-27), Bill Owens (NY-23), Earl Pomeroy (ND-All), Nick Rahall (WV-3), Zack Space (OH-18 ). And there are sixteen who voted "no" the first time who could be victims of Rahm-in-the-lockerroom-with-the-lead-pipe bullying or Cornhusker Compromise bribery because they haven't declared yet what they plan to do: John Adler (NJ-3), Jason Altmire (PA-4), Brian Baird (WA-3), John Barrow (GA-12), John Boccieri (OH-16), Rick Boucher (VA-9), Allen Boyd (FL-2), Travis Childers (MS-1), Lincoln Davis (TN-4), Bart Gordon (TN-6), Molly Markey (CO-4), Jim Matheson (UT-2), Scott Murphy (NY-20), Glenn Nye (VA-2), John Tanner (TN-8 ), Harry Teague (NM-2). So Pelosi needs 25 out of 29 maybes to break her way, 16 of whom voted "no" on the House bill once before. NOTE: If you think I've got one of these guys in the wrong group and have a statement from the Congresscritter demonstrating it email me at [gabriel.malor at gmail] and I will update the count. Also, if you're keeping an eye on the whip count, you definitely want to be checking back with Jay Cost. Comments(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Dang Straights at March 15, 2010 03:20 PM (fx8sm) 2
A bridge too far.
It's almost time, gentlemen. Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 15, 2010 03:21 PM (ucq49) 3
Vote damn you! Put up or shut up!
Posted by: joncelli at March 15, 2010 03:22 PM (RD7QR) 4
Will someone break out the Remington and down this zombie already?
Posted by: taylork at March 15, 2010 03:22 PM (0Hn5w) 5
I'm in Markey's district and you are right to put her in the "Rahm-in-the-lockerroom-with-the-lead-pipe bullying" column She was a no last time and spent a great deal of energy telling constituents that costs and savings were her problem initially. From that perspective it would be hard for her to vote yes this time but she is also a cap and trader so she is likely gone in Nov. She is one that can be rolled. I call her office consistently and always hear the same crap - she is waiting to read the bill. You won't know about her intentions until after her vote -
Posted by: Terry at March 15, 2010 03:23 PM (Vui52) 6
"Into the Breach once more my breathren, Into the breach once more."
Posted by: King Baracky V at March 15, 2010 03:25 PM (oKOn9) 7
Hey, for the record guys, it isn't just about re-election. Do you ever want to have a pizza again?
Posted by: Ben Nelson (D-Regrets) at March 15, 2010 03:25 PM (T0NGe) Posted by: AndrewGurn at March 15, 2010 03:28 PM (BX9uS) 9
Having the fate of the country riding on the whims of a bunch of finger-in-the-wind democrats is nervewracking!!
Posted by: Boots at March 15, 2010 03:28 PM (06JTY) 10
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Thanks for putting this together. BTW, did ace die? Posted by: AndrewGurn at March 15, 2010 03:28 PM (BX9uS) Ace sleeps with the fishes. Posted by: Clemenza at March 15, 2010 03:29 PM (LdYLm) Posted by: Barbarian at March 15, 2010 03:29 PM (EL+OC) 12
O/t: "The Last Desperate Push: Here Are The Health Care Talking Points The
White House Just Released To Left Wing Think Tanks" Posted by: curious at March 15, 2010 03:29 PM (p302b) 13
Awesome work, Gabe. Thanks for putting this together.
Posted by: Shooter McGavin at March 15, 2010 03:30 PM (cxGtL) 14
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Having the fate of the country riding on the whims of a bunch of finger-in-the-wind democrats is nervewracking!! Posted by: Boots at March 15, 2010 03:28 PM (06JTY) Just imagine if the have to pass a tie-breaker vote in the Senate. Posted by: Mike H at March 15, 2010 03:31 PM (LdYLm) 15
Having the fate of the country riding on the whims of a bunch of finger-in-the-wind democrats is nervewracking!!
Tell me about it. I'm even having dreams about it now. I just want it to be over. This is torture! Posted by: jewells at March 15, 2010 03:31 PM (l/N7H) 16
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I don't believe any of these scumbags. Posted by: Barbarian at March 15, 2010 03:29 PM (EL+OC)"I don't believe them either. I think they don't want to hear from the American people and so they don't indicate a "yes" vote. someone asked about intrade on the other thread. Posted by: curious at March 15, 2010 03:32 PM (p302b) 17
Posted by: taylork at March 15, 2010 03:22 PM (0Hn5w)
I say we take off and nuke the entire bill from orbit. Its the only way to be sure. Posted by: Lt. Ellen Ripley at March 15, 2010 03:32 PM (IoUF1) 18
Ok, we only need 5 of maybes to go no, including from states GA, OH, VA, TN, ND, AZ and UT.
I feel reasonably good about that. Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 15, 2010 03:33 PM (ympF8) 19
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Having the fate of the country riding on the whims of a bunch of finger-in-the-wind democrats is nervewracking!! Tell me about it. I'm even having dreams about it now. I just want it to be over. This is torture! Posted by: jewells at March 15, 2010 03:31 PM (l/N7H) That's exactly what the Dems want. Let not your heart be troubled. Posted by: Mike H at March 15, 2010 03:33 PM (LdYLm) 20
DC is incompetent, c'mon 2012, these cockholsters don't have a clue on how to govern!
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 15, 2010 03:33 PM (tLX4H) 21
Leave the blog, take the cannoli.
Posted by: toby928 at March 15, 2010 03:33 PM (PD1tk) 22
I'm almost encouraged by the waiting and counting and waiting and recounting.
Almost. After tomorrow's protest in Washington, I hope this thing will die. Then we can get on to the really important issues that directly affect America. Like amnesty for illegal aliens. Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 15, 2010 03:34 PM (i3AsK) 23
I'm looking forward to a unicorn in every driveway and a glob of spam in the pot.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 15, 2010 03:36 PM (tLX4H) 24
Well so much for calling. Tried to call one of these guys for over an hour now and I'm feeling the phone is off the hook. No office has a busy signal for a whole hour. The telephone company person checked the phone for me to make sure the line is working. It's working. He said "perhaps they have it inadvertently off the hook".
Posted by: curious at March 15, 2010 03:36 PM (p302b) 25
i read that rick boucher was to remain a NO. i read that today on one of the Virginia blogs. I suspect Nye will remain a NO because he is facing opposition.
Perriello will probably vote YES even though he is Roman Catholic doesn't want to kill babies unless Pelosi wants him to. Gerry Connolly, in Northern Va, is "undecided". he is already losing to challengers that are stuck in a Republican primary. he is one that I think could/should be flipped to NO. this is what I know of Virginia as of now. will check back. Posted by: kelley in virginia at March 15, 2010 03:37 PM (Oan2w) 26
The White House is busy in its last ditch attempt to save health care
reform and has released its media talking points in advance of the big up or down vote. I'm annoyed that they say to save health care reform rather than their health care reform bill. Real reform can and will still happen, if for no other reason than we run out of money. Posted by: toby928 at March 15, 2010 03:37 PM (PD1tk) 27
Intrade makes me very nervous... Gaming by partisan insiders and rich friends of Pelosi/Obama or something worse??
Posted by: Walker at March 15, 2010 03:38 PM (VC56G) 28
Chet Edwards voted no last time, and told the Ft. Worth Star Telegram he'll vote no again. We'll see, they didn't need him as badly last time (Edwards used to be my rep but got gerrymandered out of the 17th to the 11th).
Posted by: Dave in Texas at March 15, 2010 03:38 PM (WvXvd) 29
John Barrow (GA) could go either way. He's not in my district (my guy is Jack Kingston), although I called just to voice my concern. Barrow could very well be intimidated into a "yes" vote. He also really pissed off some constituents who tried to meet with him repeatedly. In the early stages of Obamacare, Jack held at least two big townhalls to answer questions and hear from people. To my knowledge, Barrow hasn't done much of anything.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Fright Winger at March 15, 2010 03:39 PM (UOM48) 30
Intrade makes me very nervous...
Meh, when it hits 85 I'm selling into it. Sheik Yamani bought my big screen on the Kennedy Seat. Now I need a Dolby to go with it. Posted by: toby928 at March 15, 2010 03:40 PM (PD1tk) 31
I'm looking forward to a unicorn in every driveway and a glob of spam organic arugula in the pot.
FIFY. Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 15, 2010 03:42 PM (mR7mk) 32
Uh oh. Marion Berry just voted for the reconciliation bill in committee. He's supposed to be one of Stupak's Dozen.
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 15, 2010 03:42 PM (Mi2wf) Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 15, 2010 03:43 PM (TAh//) 34
I'm thinking about buying a Bose 3CD changer and plugging it into my big screen, good buy or not?
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 15, 2010 03:43 PM (tLX4H) 35
The Catholics are fighting.
Pro-Choice Catholics(aka the Social Gospel Disciples) are urging Catholics to contact the Bishops and Cardinals to support the Senate Bill. They are citing research from ABC World News, Washington Lee Law Professor Timothy Stolzfus Jost, and a David Gibson piece at Politics Daily. The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops is still opposed to the Senate language. They're supporting the Stupak language. Posted by: wtfci at March 15, 2010 03:44 PM (+zo63) 36
I'm annoyed that they say to save health care
reform rather than their health care reform bill.Real reform can and will still happen, if for no other reason than we run out of money. Yeah, you have to be pretty fucking stupid to believe this bill is 'reform.' (Money? We'll just print more!) Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 15, 2010 03:44 PM (mR7mk) 37
Having the fate of the country riding on the whims of a bunch of
finger-in-the-wind democrats is nervewracking!! Posted by: Boots at March 15, 2010 03:28 PM (06JTY) The thing that really, really gets me is that whatever way the wind blows for these idiots and they yea or nay their votes....none of this horror will befall them. They exempted themselves from the very thing they are voting on. That right there should be 100% totally illegal. Posted by: Twinks at March 15, 2010 03:44 PM (wRPBa) Posted by: toby928 at March 15, 2010 03:44 PM (PD1tk) 39
Dennis Kucinich is a firm no... he's not changing his mind, even if it comes down to one vote. He wants single-payer, nothing less.
Posted by: enoxo at March 15, 2010 03:45 PM (u43Tp) 40
"The Health Care Reform Bill: Welcome To The Biggest Tax Increase In
U.S. History" Posted by: curious at March 15, 2010 03:45 PM (p302b) 41
We need to IMPEACH this cockholster NOW!
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 15, 2010 03:46 PM (tLX4H) 42
According to a newspaper article about Chris Carney (D-PA): Carney said the final bill must include at least an existing prohibition on spending federal money on abortion for him to vote in favor. Carney denied political calculations are a factor. "Doing the right thing enters into my thinking on this," he said.I'm thinking he's referring to the Hyde Amendment, but supposedly the Hyde Amendment won't prevent abortions under Obamacare. Anybody know the details on that? Posted by: Tinian at March 15, 2010 03:46 PM (7+pP9) 43
39 Dennis Kucinich is a firm no... he's not changing his mind, even if it comes down to one vote. He wants single-payer, nothing less.
Posted by: enoxo at March 15, 2010 03:45 PM (u43Tp) I want single-payer, too. Single-payer for lawyers. See if our Congresscritters vote for that. Posted by: AmishDude at March 15, 2010 03:47 PM (T0NGe) 44
O/T: But, have seen so many articles like this on the financial blogs and in the comments. People are seriously thinking of leaving the country. I guess many figure the only real reason to stay was the quality of health care. If that is gone, it may not matter where you live since you can trade electronically from anywhere in the world on your computer.
"For Americans Wishing To Leave The United States, What Is The Best Country In The World To Move To?" Posted by: curious at March 15, 2010 03:49 PM (p302b) 45
New York Morons: Here are the full addresses of the delgation members mentioned in this thread. Go send a fax!
The Honorable Michael E. McMahon 323 Cannon HOB Washington, D.C. 20515 Phone: (202) 225-3371 Fax (202) 226-1272 The Honorable Tim Bishop 306 Cannon H.O.B. Washington, DC 20515 Fax(202) 225-3143 The Honorable Dan Maffei 1630 Longworth HOB Washington, D.C. 20515 Fax(202) 225-4042 The Honorable Bill Owens 2366 Rayburn House Office Bldg Washington, DC 20515-3223 Fax(202) 226-0621 The Honorable Scott Murphy (NY-20) Washington, DC Office 120 Cannon HOB Washington, DC 20515 Fax(202) 225-1168 The Honorable Mike Arcuri 127 Cannon HOB Washington, DC 20515 Fax(202)225-1891 Posted by: ParisParamus at March 15, 2010 03:49 PM (TFs5o) 46
I'm from Michigan. OurCongressworms are so liberal that nobody even thought of trying to buy their votes.
Probably not worth trying to change what passes for their minds, either. Posted by: Richard Aubrey at March 15, 2010 03:49 PM (d0ih6) 47
Question: How many uber-pro-baby-killing liberals would switch from yes to no if they insert the Stupak amendment into the reconciliation version? My bet would be << the Stupak 12.
Posted by: RachDubya at March 15, 2010 03:51 PM (wBf6N) 48
Allen Boyd voted no for the reconciliation bill in committee. Also, Boucher and Nye are likely no votes based on recent statements. Childers is a likely no as well though I haven't seen any public statements. Barrow and Baron Hill might be nos as well. Hill is in a R+6 district. He is screwed if he votes yea. Matheson has been savaged by the media in the Salt Lake City area. Giffords has been the target of GOP robocalls and television ads so she's quite nervous. I could go on and on. Summarizing, I like our chances of killing this thing. Must keep up major moron pressure on the phone lines.
Posted by: phoenixrisen at March 15, 2010 03:51 PM (74DQm) 49
"Pro-Choice Catholics(aka the Social Gospel Disciples)"
no such thing as "pro-Choice Catholics"! Either you're a Catholic or you're Pro-Choice. Posted by: Whatever at March 15, 2010 03:51 PM (fDab1) 50
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Now that is just plain crazy talk, I will never leave this Country I've invested my soul in it and fought for it. That was a stupid thing to say. Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 15, 2010 03:51 PM (tLX4H) 51
hyde amendment prevents fed funding of abortions with any money coming thru HHS. this bill sets up different ways that the feds co-op or subsidize health care even offers one insurance plan where abortion is explicity cov'd. so Hyde amendment wouldn't take care of all of the Senate bill abortion issues.
Posted by: kelley in virginia at March 15, 2010 03:52 PM (Oan2w) 52
who thinks this bill, if passed by the House, would ever end up back in the Senate for reconciliation?
i think Bambi will sign it, brag forever never look back. Posted by: kelley in virginia at March 15, 2010 03:54 PM (Oan2w) 53
I'm thinking he's referring to the Hyde Amendment, but supposedly the
Hyde Amendment won't prevent abortions under Obamacare. Anybody know the details on that? That's the whole debate. The Senate Bill backers say Hyde language still applies to it. But it doesn't. Hyde only applies to existing expenditures. The Senate bill creates new expenditures that Hyde will not apply to. Stupak applies to them. That's why Pelosi called that amendment for a vote in the House and lo and behold it passed by 60+ votes. Stupak is language that took the question of absence, that is, say the Senate Bill said nothing about abortion. Well if it said nothing Planned Parenthood tells its donors that the Senate Bill would have funded abortion. Stupak says this... Let us answer this question now. Will these new expenditures fund abortion? With this Stupak amendment they are blocked from doing so. If we say nothing then this questions will go to the courts and for 5 years we'll have a legal debate to decide a question that Stupak answers right now. The Hyde Amendment was taken to court. NARAL sued saying the Congress couldn't deny funds to abort babies. Well Congress can decide what to fund and what not too fund. Ask ACORN and the Federal Judge that will be overturned on appeal if the DoJ actually appeals that case. Posted by: wtfci at March 15, 2010 03:55 PM (+zo63) 54
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45, Now that is just plain crazy talk, I will never leave this Country I've invested my soul in it and fought for it. That was a stupid thing to say. Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 15, 2010 03:51 PM (tLX4H)"Oh I'm sorry for bringing that over but I'm hearing from the over $250 grand crowd that they are seriously considering leaving. Which will be interesting. If they move out of the country, they are the ones that the administration is counting on to carry the tax burden. So then who will carry their tax burden? That was the point I was getting at. I love this country too, would not leave, but some don't feel as we do. Posted by: curious at March 15, 2010 03:55 PM (p302b) 55
think Bambi will sign it, brag forever never look back.
BINGO. It will NEVER go to the senate for reconciliation. Anyone falling for that line of shit is a total fool. Posted by: jewells at March 15, 2010 03:58 PM (l/N7H) 56
Maybe it is time for the Catholic Bishops to be really clear about this subject. Yesterday read on so many catholic sites that a catholic group being touted by the media as for the bill was, in actuality, a lib group with few if any catholics. The Catholic church is struggling, the coffers are drying up, people are so angry at them they aren't donating. The bishops don't want to alienate the pro abortion crowd but you know, maybe it is time they took a stand and made it clear that you aren't a Catholic if you are pro abortion.
Posted by: curious at March 15, 2010 03:59 PM (p302b) 57
I'm thinking he's referring to the Hyde Amendment, but supposedly the
Hyde Amendment won't prevent abortions under Obamacare. Anybody know the details on that? Hyde isn't some permanent law on the books that bars all Federal funding for abortion, but rather an rider amendment attached to Medicaid appropriations, and it has to be periodically renewed and passed through both houses. Basically it's just language that usually gets tacked onto Medicaid appropriations bills that says in effect, "none of this money can be used to pay for abortions except in the cases of life of the mother, rape, and incest." You can see how easy it is for Obamacare to get around Hyde then. One point about the legislation that hasn't gotten much play recently is the large amount of authority granted to Sec. of HHS (Kathleen Sebelius, as pro-abort as they come) to decide how lots of the reforms are actually implemented after the legislation is passed. Posted by: Fabius at March 15, 2010 04:02 PM (A3VDA) 58
Ah yes, the buffet Catholics. The Pope as an ear to God, but he's wrong about abortion.
Posted by: Z Ryan at March 15, 2010 04:03 PM (cMo6P) 59
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Well so much for calling. Tried to call one of these guys for over an hour now and I'm feeling the phone is off the hook. No office has a busy signal for a whole hour. The telephone company person checked the phone for me to make sure the line is working. It's working. He said "perhaps they have it inadvertently off the hook". FAX, EMAIL AND CALL THE LOCAL OFFICES. those cheezy scumbags have had their phones turned off since December. That's why that O'keefe guy was trying to document. Posted by: K1ll the B1ll at March 15, 2010 04:03 PM (PI/0J) 60
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I'm from Michigan. OurCongressworms are so liberal that nobody even thought of trying to buy their votes. Probably not worth trying to change what passes for their minds, either. same here, all we have is Bart to stand by on the D side, at least the repubs havent let us down yet. Posted by: LtKilgore at March 15, 2010 04:09 PM (4QCvv) 61
Doesn't matter if they don't have the votes, they are going to keep going at this until they pass something or all the Democrats are replaced. If the vote fails this week, please don't think ObamaCare is dead. We just need more speeches from Obama, that's all. Not to mention more whining from folks like Reid, Pelosi, Michael Moore, et al.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 15, 2010 04:10 PM (eNxMU) 62
anecdotal but I have two close relations with significant net worth nearing retirement age - both have put into motion plans to leave the USA. they will retire back in the Old Country.
to be fair I am only third generation American (they are second generation) so maybe that's why Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 15, 2010 04:14 PM (SB0V2) 63
Can't see Chet Edwards switching his vote, his district is heavily R. Also, the Dems have their best chance in Bill White, to try and beat Rick Perry for governor. If this bill passes, there is no way that the good people of Texas vote for a Dem forgovernor.
Posted by: opus at March 15, 2010 04:19 PM (IebeI) 64
Boccieri is changing from a NO to a Yes vote -HT RedState. This louse of a Congressman (mine) is one of four such switchers, and the O was in town in his district today and he couldn't show up for it!
Posted by: Agnes B. Bullock at March 15, 2010 04:20 PM (SgT91) 65
as of a few days ago Carney was a lukewarm "yes"-- has he said this recently?-- Regards, probus
Posted by: probus at March 15, 2010 04:21 PM (M5PTf) 66
fyi, it is estimated that a federal bureaucracy of more than 150,000 new
employees will be required to administer HB3200. oh yeah, thats gonna help the deficit. Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 15, 2010 04:21 PM (ympF8) 67
These assholes don't want to hear from voters. You are wasting your time writing or calling. My Blue Dog, more like Blue Balls cause he was 90% Pelosi, decided not to run again. Too dangerous. So he's going to let his wife run for him. Nice, eh?
Posted by: kansas at March 15, 2010 04:21 PM (mka2b) 68
Ben Chandler (KY-6) has been reported to have said NO in local news radio, and on talk radio, callers have said that his office is confirming it. Not going to get anything in writing from this guy, though.
Posted by: fprawl at March 15, 2010 04:23 PM (BBZ5/) 69
Americans for Prosperity has an ad on our local a.m. talk show (KFYI) here in AZ urging us to rally tomorrow outside Harry Mitchell's office and Honk No for HellCare. It will be at noon not far from where I live and you can bet I'll be there. He has been telling callers he is not sure how he will vote. He's such a spineless creature. I guess a lot of the House members love being whipped by Dominatrix Pelosi. It should be called the "House of S M."
Posted by: Barbarosa at March 15, 2010 04:26 PM (tKEtn) 70
More dis-info to work from:
In a March 12th Collins Stewart note, analyst Brian Wright said, "A recent Health and Human Services report claiming 56% earnings growth in 2009 for health insurance companies is we believe either intentionally misleading or shows a severe lack of judgment by the Secretary in our opinion." He continues to outline that the numbers used by HHS are completely off base. "We estimate 2009 health segment operating earnings as being up just 1.2% in 2009 from 2008. This compares to 13.5% growth in estimated SP 500 earnings." His conclusion is pretty clear: "Given Secretary Sebeliuss clear disregard for an honest debate regarding the true causes of healthcare cost inflation and her misleading statements that have focused solely on the ~4% net margin of health insurance companies, we question the Secretarys ability to serve appropriately in her official capacity. How can she be considered an impartial regulator of the government healthcare programs?" Posted by: CAHC at March 15, 2010 04:29 PM (mo9IL) 71
I just called Lincoln Davis office again as I have been doing every week and not just the Washington office. I call the local offices also and they all said he is voting No. I asked if he will cave to Pelosi and they said no he will not and I told them again I will not vote for him for dogcatcher if he votes yes along with all of my family and most of the people of his district. He damn well better not be lying or he has some serious explaining to do after the vote.
Posted by: obamastillsucks at March 15, 2010 04:29 PM (1l2bp) 72
I just sent a letter to all six of the House Members from the NY delegation. That's about all I can do--until Pitchfork Day arrives...
Posted by: ParisParamus at March 15, 2010 04:29 PM (TFs5o) 73
If this bill passes, there is no way that the good people of Texas vote for a Dem forgovernor.
That's another problem the Dems are facing. It isn't just the members themselves who are risking their re-election, but there will be ramifications down-ballot and even up-ballot. Posted by: AmishDude at March 15, 2010 04:30 PM (T0NGe) 74
I asked if he will cave to Pelosi and they said no he will not and I told them again I will not vote for him for dogcatcher if he votes yes along with all of my family and most of the people of his district.
Tell him he won't even be able to enjoy a slice of pizza in peace if he votes for this. Posted by: AmishDude at March 15, 2010 04:32 PM (T0NGe) 75
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After reading the post again about getting a statement I called Lincoln Davis office again and asked why he is not putting out a statement as it would go a long way towards helping the Blue Dogs if they all come out together and oppose it - his office said he usually does not put out a statement. So I asked him if he was afraid of Pelosi and he said he assured me that Pelosi knew where he stood on the vote of No. We will see. Posted by: obamastillsucks at March 15, 2010 04:34 PM (1l2bp) 76
The Liberal Dims must have some wild magic 8 ball to reading to continue pushing this crap. While I understand having the Government control 1/6th of the economy is big on the progressive shopping list, it is electoral suicide. It adds no votes to their base - unlike the amnesty bill which could add votes to their base or card check which would presumably add $ to union coffers. Their only positive exit strategy is to "fight the good fight, and lose" - so their hardcore has some reason to go to the polls in November.
Posted by: Jean at March 15, 2010 04:36 PM (7K04W) 77
Im in MI-5(Dale Kildee), I sent an email to him before the last vote, and told him I would volunteer my time to who ever ran against him in November. I got a form letter in response saying "Blah, Blah, Blah". I still don't know who's running against him, but I intend to keep my promise, it's not like I have a job or anything.....
Posted by: wytshus at March 15, 2010 04:37 PM (C8byF) 78
66 Boccieri is changing from a NO to a Yes vote -HT RedState. This louse of a Congressman (mine) is one of four such switchers, and the O was in town in his district today and he couldn't show up for it!
Yeah, that's via Clyburn. Suffice it to say I think he's calling these guys out in public to pressure them. Not to say Clyburn isn't right, he just might have taken an "um, uh, maybe" as a yes and trust that Boccieri is too cowardly to contradict him. Posted by: AmishDude at March 15, 2010 04:38 PM (T0NGe) 79
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At this point the RNC should be trying to tie State Legislators to this mess. Make the rank and file Dims pay a price too. The conservatives need to control the gerrymandering process after the 2010 census. (My weekly rant about the statehouses.)
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That's right, I'm a maybe. I cannot make a snap decision on this no matter how trivial it seems. The future of the intergalactic peace treaty is at stake! The Blorgians are thinking very carefully about our ability to survive as a species, you see! But the Dal'ek are also wondering about our ability to bow down to overlords! Sexy overlords, I tell you! Now if you'll excuse me, I have to investigate a disturbance on Ganymede.
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