Some inconvenient hockey sticks that are real

Posted by: Purp at 05:00 PM

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1 My goodness. Look at the last graphon the page. It looks as though the temperature changes are almost cyclical!
Shocking.

Posted by: wiserbud at December 10, 2009 05:05 PM (tWf3S)

2 Hide that. My wife is about to see it.

Huge.

Quickly.

Posted by: Tiger at December 10, 2009 05:05 PM (nz654)

3 I printed this out earlier today as it is a great set of graphs. They show that today's temperatures and even higher are not the norm and we really are fortunate that we aren't living in an igloo. Warm is good and warmer is better I say.

Posted by: RobD at December 10, 2009 05:08 PM (sV3Dv)

4 That one doesn't show the temperature past 1900 though.

Someone in the comments posted a better version.

Posted by: Iskandar at December 10, 2009 05:10 PM (u1pln)

5 How in the hell amd I gonna be able to keep up?

Posted by: Charles Johnson's Science Mentor at December 10, 2009 05:10 PM (wnU1W)

6 Seriously. CLICK THE LINK.
Amazing stuff, thanks purple avenger. BTW, did you notice it looks like we're about 15% into a new ice age, one that is about to send temperatures plunging??

Posted by: Max Power at December 10, 2009 05:10 PM (q177U)

7 Whenever a greenie says that the earth is getting warmer, I ask what the 'normal' temperature of the earth is. I get crickets.

Posted by: CUS at December 10, 2009 05:11 PM (wOGfT)

8 Perspective depends on the baseline. The fact that they are measuring climate with too short of a ruler is a powerful argument.

Posted by: Jean at December 10, 2009 05:11 PM (PjevJ)

9 Ow! Not again!

Posted by: Tomas Vokoun at December 10, 2009 05:11 PM (yiNoG)

10 Damn Vikings have to ruin everything for us...

Posted by: Global Warming Cabal at December 10, 2009 05:11 PM (muhdt)

11
WE'RE ALL GONNA FREEZE TO DEATH!!!!111111!

Posted by: Dang Straights at December 10, 2009 05:13 PM (Haq+B)

12 what the 'normal' temperature of the earth is.

I know my crib in south Florida is going to be worth a mint soon ;->

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 10, 2009 05:13 PM (yckbe)

13 Wow! This blows right past the hockey team and the CRU idiots. It doesn't even matter that they've been lying their asses off, (not in climate terms, although they should still all be ass-raped with a fencepost just for being the dickbags they are), because the scale is so wrong. In the long view, their puny .5 deg. C or whateverwarming means almost nothing. In fact, we should be grateful for it, assuming that it is really happening.
We should all be wearing shirts with these graphs on them because this is the kind of thing that anyone can see and understand.

Posted by: rickinstl at December 10, 2009 05:15 PM (0AEWQ)

14 We told you! We told you!!! A new Ice Age issa comin'!
But did you listen to us? Nooooooo.... You all had to rushto your new BFF, Global Warming, as the latest thing taht's gonna kill us all.
But we told you, didn't we?

Posted by: Time Magazine, circa 1973 at December 10, 2009 05:15 PM (wWwJR)

15 I would like to see the graph zoomed at the start of the last plung(to the left of -100,000) and see if it looks anything like third graph that shows the decline.

Posted by: RobD at December 10, 2009 05:17 PM (sV3Dv)

16 I'm gonna invest in some of them snow machines Palin's always talkin bout!

Posted by: dananjcon at December 10, 2009 05:17 PM (pr+up)

17 hey! How will this help us?

Posted by: polar bears at December 10, 2009 05:18 PM (wnU1W)

18 The funny part is that the global warming nuts LOVE the Vostok data. Once they finally get distracted from the CO2, which was shown to lag temps in the data, they are left with an ugly look at the temps and where we are. Thanks, PA, for posting this. Vostok is always good and makes the situation much clearer. I'm pretty sure that the Vostok data was a good part of Al's movie.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at December 10, 2009 05:18 PM (A46hP)

19
"The North Polar ice cap is melting before our very eyes. It's been the
size of the continental United States for most of the last three
million years and now, suddenly, 40 percent of it's gone, and the rest
of it is expected to disappear within five, 10, 15 years"

Serious question: Is any part of this accurate?

Posted by: the professional sockpuppeteer at December 10, 2009 05:19 PM (9X3KM)

20 Hey polar bears see you soon.

Posted by: Lower 48 states at December 10, 2009 05:19 PM (sV3Dv)

21 hey! How will this help us?

Rich new ummm..."feeding grounds" in the NYC and D.C. areas if you're willing to adjust your diet somewhat.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 10, 2009 05:20 PM (yckbe)

22 I'm no doctor, but I'd say that guy's having a heart attack.

Posted by: Chiropractor at December 10, 2009 05:22 PM (QKKT0)

23 The truly infuriating part of this whole hoax is that these Shady-Oak-Bombers knew about these ice core data and just summarily ignored them. This is fraud in the truest sense of the word and should be actionable on the criminal level.

IOW, keel-haul da bums.

Posted by: TennDon at December 10, 2009 05:23 PM (o6Yv2)

24

hey! How will this help us?

You get to hunt more seals...... In Cuba

Posted by: fixerupper at December 10, 2009 05:24 PM (J5Hcw)

25 the prof @ 19
Go to WUWT and scroll down. On the right there is a graph that looks like a sine wave. It is a graph of average sea ice and goes back to 2002. As you can see the amount of ice has not changed all that much and we are actually right about average right now.

Posted by: RobD at December 10, 2009 05:24 PM (sV3Dv)

26 was this graph drawn with the same crayons that Gallup uses?

Posted by: Robert Gibbs at December 10, 2009 05:24 PM (wnU1W)

27 Its interesting that the whole "development of civilization" thing kinda happened during a time when it was generally warmer than today by quite a bit.

Maybe Planet Of The Apes was in fact a documentary sent back from the future?

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 10, 2009 05:24 PM (yckbe)

28 The Vostok core makes Baja real estate look pretty good.

Posted by: t-bird at December 10, 2009 05:25 PM (FcR7P)

29 Ice age a comin'. Time to stock up on fur coats, fur hats, fur mittens.....
Oh wait, then we'll piss peta off.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at December 10, 2009 05:25 PM (cniXs)

30 Years ago, 1999 in fact, I worked at Bryn Mawr College and had to do some QD html for an emeritus paper they wanted online pronto (don't judge me too harshly on the html, my major was art history.)

It was called "Global Warming...Compared to What?" As the geologist put it, we've been warming for 1800 centuries so far. Why all the drama now?

Long story short: Scientists have ALWAYS known that the hockey stick was all a matter of BS perspective.

Anyway here it is:
http://www.brynmawr.edu/emeritus/gather/Platt/platt_1.html

Posted by: Travis at December 10, 2009 05:27 PM (BfVjr)

31 Truly, we are in more danger from ice ages than global warming. The data shows they come on fast, and most of us will starve to death. Many of us need to starve to death, or at least those that believe in global warming. God loves a hongry libtard.

Posted by: maddogg at December 10, 2009 05:27 PM (OlN4e)

32 It's a shame I'm not going to live another 5,000 years. I'd love to corner the livin' shit out of the wool coat/snow-shoe/fire wood/hand-warmer/long-underwear markets.
Those ads for Costa Rican property are looking mighty fine, right about now.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 10, 2009 05:27 PM (Zj8fM)

33
thanks, RobD.

So Algore's claim of a 40% reduction is complete bullshit. Where does he get this figure?

Posted by: the professional sockpuppeteer at December 10, 2009 05:31 PM (9X3KM)

34 hey! How will this help us?

HEY! Back off you cracker bears. We're helping my children first.

Posted by: Michelle aka FKOTUS at December 10, 2009 05:32 PM (GF+6V)

35 With anice age on its way, the smart money is investing heavily in quality lace wigs.

Posted by: Lace Wig Flogger at December 10, 2009 05:32 PM (QKKT0)

36 Hey, how about like they did in the middle ages, during the little ice age; we should start burning climate scientist like they burnt witches? Same thing, right?

Posted by: Paladin at December 10, 2009 05:34 PM (a+kMW)

37 Another observation. The thing that really convinced me that AGW was bunk was the tree pollen data from the sediment of deep lakes in Europe. The boundary between cold-weather conifers and temperate deciduous hardwoods has swept across Europe four times in the last 2000 yrs.

During the MWP there were large oak forests in Scandanavia!! They aren't there now.

Posted by: Travis at December 10, 2009 05:35 PM (BfVjr)

38 The North Polar ice cap is melting before our very eyes

Today's Arctic Satellite Image
Thirty day Arctic Satellite Images slide show

Posted by: Hugh Jasteroid at December 10, 2009 05:36 PM (lD4DZ)

39 "So Algore's claim of a 40% reduction is complete bullshit. Where does he get this figure?" out of his ass?

Posted by: thethinman at December 10, 2009 05:36 PM (W3XUk)

40 Fox News Alert: Gunfight in the middle of Time Square. You folks in NYC be careful out there.

Posted by: Vic at December 10, 2009 05:37 PM (CDUiN)

41 Pictures? you want PICTURES?

http://tinyurl.com/ykhp4p6

Posted by: The picture guy at December 10, 2009 05:39 PM (GqVbA)

42 Anyone else bothered by that rather quick drop in temp to kick off the new ice age?

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at December 10, 2009 05:41 PM (nE6Eu)

43 The North Polar ice cap is melting before our very eyes

Yawn. BTDT 100 years ago too.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 10, 2009 05:43 PM (yckbe)

44 Gunfight in the middle of Time Square.

Food riots due to the glaciers.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 10, 2009 05:45 PM (yckbe)

45 This COpenhagen confab is good for couple-a 1000 millibears or about the same as spotted-OwlGore in a couple of years.

Posted by: TennDon at December 10, 2009 05:46 PM (o6Yv2)

46
Any chance Coop-in-HAAA-gen will hit sub-zero temps really, really rapidly? Like, now?

Posted by: Dang Straights at December 10, 2009 05:48 PM (Haq+B)

47 Any of you morons get too cold, come to Savannah. I've got a nice guest suite I'll rent out (you may have to wrestle D'oh Boy for it when he graduates from boot camp, but he'll just be around a few days). Or you can house-sit while we go looking for warmer quarters in, oh, Costa Rica.

Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 10, 2009 05:50 PM (UOM48)

48 Definition of millibear http://tinyurl.com/yj6hns4

Posted by: TennDon at December 10, 2009 05:50 PM (o6Yv2)

49 Copenhagen weather is predicted to deteriorate next week dropping below freezing with snow.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 10, 2009 05:51 PM (yckbe)

50 Global warming is real and it WILL happen --- in the spring.

Posted by: Reiver at December 10, 2009 05:51 PM (mNUaF)

51 Could we please, pretty please have that icing scene from Day After Tomorrow in Hopenhagen? I'm picturing all the attendees racing for their limos and private jets just freezing in mid-run. Hilarity would ensue.

Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 10, 2009 05:54 PM (UOM48)

52 50. Copenhagen weather is predicted to deteriorate next week dropping below freezing with snow.
Maybe America will get lucky and obamao will get snowed in for the rest of his term.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at December 10, 2009 05:57 PM (cniXs)

53 The thing that makes the most sense to me is methane hydrates...

I wonder what the "reloading" mechanism would be that puts them back so the cycle can continue?

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 10, 2009 06:20 PM (yckbe)

54 That was a pretty cool study, going back in time. Of course the further back you go the less reliable and the more sketchy the data becomes (pressure, radiation over time, age, etc all are going to alter the ice) but its a pretty informative study. It looks like we may be heading into another ice age... in a thousand years or so.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2009 06:26 PM (PQY7w)

55 Jesus effin Christmas....

Frankly I'm more worried about the downfall of civilization on the cold side...

For those who had classes in DiffEQ's, Dynamic systems, LaPlace Transforms or Fourier Transforms, the fact that output of a complex system is not linear, but sinusoidal wouldn't be too much of a surprise... Now for lawyers, and failed divinity students, that might not be intuitively obvious...

Posted by: phreshone at December 10, 2009 06:40 PM (wQx2m)

56 phreshone 60, check out the Vostok Antarctic core on that page. The "sinusoidal" regularity of the ice patches scares the crap out of me.

As I (very dimly) remember my partial differential equations class, in a chaotic system we might see an alternation of peaks and troughs; but we won't do well predicting where the peaks are, nor how long they'll last, nor how large they'll be.

I have in mind Lorenz's three "butterfly" equations.

The Pleistocene didn't follow the chaotic pattern; the ice ages look regular (and yes, the natural state of the Pleistocene seems to be testis-freezingly COLD). Since the geography of the continents hasn't changed and since I haven't seen any evidence that the nature of the sun has changed, I can't see how we're not overdue for iced-over scrota worldwide.

Posted by: Zimriel at December 10, 2009 07:10 PM (04p0/)

57 (slight correction for teh nerdz, I implied the Lorenz trio are partial DEQs, and they're not)

Posted by: Zimriel at December 10, 2009 07:12 PM (04p0/)

58 Wow.

So the Motley CRUe hasn't just been hiding the decline, they've only been showing a very small part of the history that can be seen if one is willing to look?

Posted by: manofaiki at December 10, 2009 07:18 PM (uSh7j)

59 When Yellowstone blows, one would suspect it will be enough of an impulse on the thermal system to throw the earth back into an ice age...

Posted by: phreshone at December 10, 2009 07:20 PM (wQx2m)

60 Can we please build some farking nuclear plants?

Posted by: Al at December 10, 2009 07:35 PM (0lyUI)

61 Well, at least now we know why the Ancients fled earth 100,000 years ago -- the joint went ice age on'em and even they were powerless to stop it. Even ZPM's can't hold off planetary ice ages.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 10, 2009 08:06 PM (yckbe)

62 Fourier-Transform of global gridded, raw weather data - hmmm wonder if that would help deal with the stations that have artificial or induced temperature changes.

Posted by: Jean at December 10, 2009 10:46 PM (xCBQ4)

63 51
Global warming is real and it WILL happen --- in the spring.

Spring's already happened, mate.

Posted by: Ozzie at December 11, 2009 04:00 AM (4y1PU)

64 BURBERRY Scarf | CD Keys

Posted by: jason at December 11, 2009 10:07 AM (NsJ2b)

65 I'm glad I'm retiring to the Philippines. I don't really like thecurrent90 degrees with 90% humidity. I'm in luck. Just have to wait a bit. Looks like 80/80 comin' right up. That'll do me just fine while all the eco-Nazis and other airheads here in The Peoples Republic of Minnesota deal with really cold weather a' la North Slope.
I would really like to live long enough to watch the leading edge of the glaciers arrive in New Orleans.

Posted by: chuck in st paul at December 11, 2009 10:57 AM (adr25)

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