Notre Dame Fire Strikes Amidst Wave of Vandalism and Arson at Christian Churches in France

This doesn't mean the Notre Dame fire was arson.

But people have been vandalizing churches, desecrating crucifixes with human excrement, and smashing stained glass.

And setting ancient churches on fire.

This might not explain the fire -- but it does explain the suspicions about the fire, and I won't join the media in embargoing newsworthy facts that illuminate why some are very suspicious about this fire.

While it probably was an accident, it is worth pointing out that it happened during Holy Week–the holiest week of the liturgical year– amid a disturbing wave of anti-Christian attacks on Catholic churches throughout France.

In just one week in March, a dozen churches were desecrated in different regions of France in what appeared to be "obvious" cases of anti-Christian vandalism, according to ABC Internacional, a conservative Spanish daily paper.

"In Nimes (Gard), the Notre-Dame-des-Enfants church was desecrated in a particularly odious way: strangers painted a cross with human excrement, looted the main altar and the tabernacle and stole the wafers , which were later discovered among piles of waste," the Spanish daily reported.

...

On March 17, the church of Saint-Sulpice in Paris was set ablaze shortly after the twelve-o'clock Mass, Evangeliques Info reported. The fire was quickly controlled by firefighters, but resulted in damages that will reportedly cost several hundred million euros.




Investigators have concluded that the fire was the result of arson and are now looking for suspects, Evangeliques Info reported.

Lots more at the link. The Saint Denis cathedral, in which are interred the bones of Charles Martel, was also vandalized in March.

For what it's worth, while my mind is open and I don't have any facts, I lean against the intentional arson theory. The fire seems to me to have been such a perfect storm of bad circumstances that it was unlikely to have been intentional.

Consider: The fire was burning (or at least smoldering) for a half an hour before alarms went off, and then it took firefighters an hour to begin putting water on it.

Ninety minutes of burning before any firefighters intervened -- could an arsonist have planned on his slow-starting fire to have ninety minutes to get up to speed before firefighters began dousing it?

I don't think humans -- especially terrorists -- tend to be that patient and that willing to leave things to chance. I think they want to see that their plan has worked right away -- which is why I'd imagine a terrorist arson case would involve a firebomb that goes off, not some concealed slow-fuse fire that takes its time to become an inferno.

And which could be put out by a simple fire extinguisher if it is detected early. Or, having burned the fuel immediately around the small fire, could have self-extinguished without anyone having realized there had been a fire at all.

Sometimes people see a catastrophe like this and think human intention must have been responsible. I usually have the opposite sort of reaction: This calamity was so perfect that humans probably couldn't have carried it off, humans with their crude, clumsy, impatient hands.

Only random, unfeeling chance is so patient. Random chance can afford to wait, because it gets 100,000 bites at the apple every hour.

Note my "analysis," as it is, is pretty uninformed and based on nothing but hunches about probabilities.

What bothers me -- and bothers a lot of people -- is the unseemly speed with which western law enforcement eliminates any Politically Incorrect theory from the realm of possibility.

That's worrisome, because it's sending the message that the French police (and American police) fundamentally do not want to find any deliberate terrorist actor behind any crime, and thus makes the public suspicious that very obvious investigative trails are being deliberately closed off due to political/media relations considerations.

My hunch is that this was, in fact, accidental. Letting sparks rain down to the wood-dust coated roofbeams, something like that.

But I do not like the idea that the authorities charged with protecting us say two things almost in the same breath: that they have ruled out the possibility of any "voluntary" cause behind this and also that they have no idea what the cause was.

That makes no sense. We already know, as a fact, that police are actively searching for suspects in the deliberate arson of Saint Suplice cathedral, the second-biggest church in Paris.

Does it make sense to eliminate arson as a possibility in this latest church fire?

Before a single fireman even entered the structure?!!

No, it doesn't make sense.

And it's not supposed to make sense. It's a politicized claim and it's a step towards a politicized investigation.

I've said this about cases of possible terrorism, and I've said this about the US government's lies about the transmission of ebola: We would worry less if it seemed, from time to time, that the officials we've entrusted with public safety worried more.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 08:35 PM




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1 France needs another Charles the Hammer!

Posted by: jmel at April 17, 2019 08:42 PM (OeWgo)

2 And the priest who was beheaded in Ruen. But it was a peaceful beheading.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 17, 2019 08:42 PM (ptqGC)

3 My prog sister just yesterday told my husband not to GO THERE about any possibility of terrorism. Because white nationalists are setting black churches on fire All Over The United States.

*sigh*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 17, 2019 08:44 PM (ptqGC)

4 They all have to pay lip service to an accidental cause, but a deliberate act isn't significantly less likely.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 17, 2019 08:44 PM (oVJmc)

5 I'll take one for the team and summon the corgis.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 17, 2019 08:44 PM (ptqGC)

6 On March 17, the church of Saint-Sulpice in Paris was set ablaze shortly after the twelve-o'clock Mass

Where was renowned symbologist Robert Langdon at the time?

Posted by: some albino monk at April 17, 2019 08:45 PM (j4Q4b)

7 My prog sister just yesterday told my husband not to GO THERE about any possibility of terrorism. Because white nationalists are setting black churches on fire All Over The United States.


Pull up a few articles about the last few sprees committed by black perps.


Its people like your sister that those people play to.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 17, 2019 08:45 PM (oVJmc)

8 i hope it wasn't terrorism, i wouldn't be surprised if it was.

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 17, 2019 08:46 PM (0O7c5)

9 They were declaring Notre Dame accidental before the investigation has even started.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 17, 2019 08:47 PM (NWiLs)

10 Its people like your sister that those people play to.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 17, 2019 08:45 PM (oVJmc)


My sister, just like my husband's siblings and their spawn, is absolutely hopeless. They'll happily guard us in camps until they're of no more use and killed last.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 17, 2019 08:47 PM (ptqGC)

11

Shut up!!

Posted by: Neil Cavuto at April 17, 2019 08:47 PM (aKsyK)

12 IN the shadow of the mushroom cloud, the "authorities" will say that the motive may never be known.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 17, 2019 08:47 PM (3RKQd)

13 >>>9 They were declaring Notre Dame accidental before the investigation has even started.
Posted by: Insomniac

i just added that in

Posted by: ace, just quoting good lines now at April 17, 2019 08:47 PM (PbpT7)

14 I think they announced that it was accidental to keep the Yellow Vests out of the Muslim neighborhoods.

At some point, that's going to happen, regardless of what public officials tell people.

Because people are pissed off.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at April 17, 2019 08:47 PM (uDcBt)

15 The French will rebuild it into the greatest amusement park ever.

Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 08:48 PM (UdKB7)

16 It could have smoldered for 1/2 hour simply because it was in the roof structure and there is very little air to feed the fire.

This all remains to be seen, but I can envision a fire started among the timbers using accelerant which took a long time to get out of control.

I can not explain the 1 hour for the firefighters to do anything, but that is irrelevant. However the fire was started, it was in an ideal place to do a lot of damage, and it did.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at April 17, 2019 08:48 PM (LWu6U)

17 If it was started by a practitioner of the Religion of Pieces, we will never, ever know. I guarantee it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 17, 2019 08:48 PM (ptqGC)

18 It's so funny that the media makes it an outrage to even suggest Muslims may have done it, when it's happened multiple times before by Muslims.

Same with the whole "how dare you suggest Muslims were celebrating 9/11 in NYC" when it was widely reported they were celebrating all over the globe and it had been perpetrated by Muslims.

Posted by: Blago at April 17, 2019 08:48 PM (UfkIY)

19 I lean toward arson because the only thing that burned at ND was the roof. Which is something like 150 feet above ground.

Unless it was a lightning strike, how does a wooden roof catch fire, unless someone sets it on fire?

Posted by: Sharkman at April 17, 2019 08:48 PM (Y3hKx)

20
If it was arson or terrorism the MFM will never report it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 17, 2019 08:48 PM (0R3dy)

21
Religion of Peas - no doubt about it.

Militant Amish vegetarians.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 17, 2019 08:48 PM (pNxlR)

22 They will have their own "It's A Small World" ride.

Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 08:48 PM (UdKB7)

23 But people have been vandalizing churches, desecrating crucifixes with human excrement

Muslims were holding crucifixes?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 17, 2019 08:49 PM (QmV8z)

24 What's the story with the video of someone walking about the cathedral while it was burning. I saw it yesterday, but the video never got legs. Guessing it was debunked? It sure looked suspicious to me.

Here's what I'm talking about:

Posted by: IrishEi at April 17, 2019 08:49 PM (NtglE)

25 13 >>>9 They were declaring Notre Dame accidental before the investigation has even started.
Posted by: Insomniac

i just added that in
Posted by: ace, just quoting good lines now at April 17, 2019 08:47 PM (PbpT7)

Ah, yes, I'm just getting caught up now.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 17, 2019 08:49 PM (NWiLs)

26 >>>Unless it was a lightning strike, how does a wooden roof catch fire, unless someone sets it on fire?

well there were workers doing reconstuction work on the roof. I imagine that means power tools, and I imagine that means electricity and sparks.

Posted by: ace, just quoting good lines now at April 17, 2019 08:49 PM (PbpT7)

27
Because white nationalists are setting black churches on fire All Over The United States.

*sigh*
Posted by: Jane D'oh


How many of those churches are actually burned by white people?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 17, 2019 08:49 PM (aKsyK)

28 Everyone will want to ride "Le Dumbo".

Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 08:49 PM (UdKB7)

29 Rolling Stone tweeted something stupid, like how it was about time because old relic or something.

Someone here posted the tweet in the art thread.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 17, 2019 08:49 PM (ptqGC)

30 Duh. Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU6jL7rpdYI&feature=youtu.be

Posted by: IrishEi at April 17, 2019 08:49 PM (NtglE)

31 In before that awful Billy Joel ear worm?

Posted by: garrett at April 17, 2019 08:50 PM (pCsgI)

32 Unless it was a lightning strike, how does a wooden roof catch fire, unless someone sets it on fire?

Posted by: Sharkman at April 17, 2019 08:48 PM (Y3hKx)



Rosie O'Donuts: Wood doesn't burn!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 17, 2019 08:50 PM (0R3dy)

33 19 I lean toward arson because the only thing that burned at ND was the roof. Which is something like 150 feet above ground.

Unless it was a lightning strike, how does a wooden roof catch fire, unless someone sets it on fire?
Posted by: Sharkman at April 17, 2019 08:48 PM (Y3hKx)


In fairness, a shitload of workmen up on scaffolding, working with, e.g., welding torches, frayed electrical cables, etc. could easily do that. Not to say that they did, but it's entirely plausible.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 17, 2019 08:50 PM (QmV8z)

34 31; you phucker. thanks!

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 17, 2019 08:50 PM (KP5rU)

35 FAULTY PATTERN RECOGNITION


Example: His last six wives were murdered mysteriously. I hope to be
wife number seven.

Posted by: Anon23 at April 17, 2019 08:51 PM (yJy4c)

36 >>Unless it was a lightning strike, how does a wooden roof catch fire, unless someone sets it on fire?


Usually the roof is the second thing that catches on fire.

Posted by: garrett at April 17, 2019 08:51 PM (pCsgI)

37 Reports are there were no workers onsite.

The only thing they were doing anyway, was putting up scaffolding.

The company had NO heat sources, or even electric sources up there, because of the fire danger.

In fact, every move they made was watched by the Church, and Historic Preservationists to ensure no damage was done to this site.

There are reports of TWO loud bangs. The fire apparently started in two locations.

There is video of a someone up near the roof, just before the fire was reporter. There is a flash in that video.

There is also video of someone looking like they are wearing robes, moving across the base of the roof just after the fire started (you can see the fire in the background).

This is GW Bush and 9/11 all over again. They don't WANT the West to vent its righteous Anger.

Posted by: Don Q at April 17, 2019 08:51 PM (NgKpN)

38 Don't think it matters much what the official claim is. A large portion of society is going to believe it was deliberately set by members of the ROP.

Posted by: Ever at April 17, 2019 08:51 PM (Brfdf)

39 Rolling Stone tweeted something stupid, like how it was about time because old relic or something.

So we get to torch George Soros?

Fantastic!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 17, 2019 08:51 PM (QmV8z)

40 Sometimes the most obvious thing is the actual thing.
Actually, most of the time.

Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 08:51 PM (UdKB7)

41 It would be nice if the authorities would just deal truthfully once in a while. It is remarkable how doing just that, making that a habit, calms things down.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pick Up a Copy of The Daily Panic at The Outrage Outlet! at April 17, 2019 08:52 PM (0QYMt)

42 Same with the whole "how dare you suggest Muslims were celebrating 9/11 in NYC" when it was widely reported they were celebrating all over the globe and it had been perpetrated by Muslims.

Posted by: Blago


And Twatter was replete with pictures of Muslims celebrating, some standing in front of the burning cathedral, the burning of ND.

Posted by: Sharkman at April 17, 2019 08:52 PM (Y3hKx)

43 The fire seems to me to have been such a perfect storm of bad circumstances that it was unlikely to have been intentional.


This is slightly tangential, but history is weird. The Nazis who set the Reichstag fire blamed it on a Dutch Communist.

But the weird thing is, when they were busy creating flash points all over the building to burn it up, the crazy Dutch Communist actually showed up to try to arson it all by himself.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 17, 2019 08:52 PM (fuK7c)

44
I'm not as cautious as you, Ace.

It was arson. Straight-up.

"1) the workers who were refurbishing the roof of Notre-Dame are among the best specialized craftsmen in the world, concerning the restauration of medieval monuments (their title is “Meilleur Ouvrier de France”.They love their work, and take all the necessary precautions. They have worked in many rooms of the Castle of Versailles, they have restored many churches and cathedrals. For example, they worked during more than 20 years on the marvelous Strasbourg cathedral (I lived in Strasbourg and saw their progress), and there was never a single problem.

2) the workers stopped at 6:00 PM, the fire started at 6:50 PM, near scaffoldings, used to climb there.

3) no electricity was allowed near the roof, because it was made in wood and as a matter of security, every inflamable thing was banned too. So, to have a fire there, someone needed to bring something.

...


1) Restoration work hadn’t started on the roof. The scaffolding were still being put in place. The architect in chief of the “Monuments Historiques” (“Historical Monuments”, the administration that maintains and repairs monuments in France), Philippe Villeneuve, who was responsible for the refurbishing of the spire of Notre-Dame, has stated that : “Work had not started yet, scaffoldings were still being built”.

2) Everything was done to avoid any source of heat near the wood of the roof. No electrical plug, no welding were allowed. So, Philippe Villeneuve says : “The hot spot hypothesis is therefore not the right one”.

3) The head of the company that was building the scaffoldings (Europe Echafaudage) (Europe Scaffolding), Julien Le Bras, was interviewed by a French TV (BFM) : “All I can say for the time being is that at the moment of the fire, absolutely none of the employees of my company was present on site”.

4) He added : “All safety procedures on the Notre-Dame de Paris site have been respected”.

5) One of my friend sent me an email concerning the security on the roof of Notre-Dame. She has a diploma in Art history and studied in the “Ecole du Louvre” (“Louvre School”, were students learn art history and restoration processes) : “I visited the framing of Notre Dame with architects of the “Bâtiments de France” (“Buildings of France”, the highest rank for an architect in France), some years ago. This 13th century timber frame was extremely protected. Each intervention is always accompanied by historians, architects, experts; no work is envisaged without extreme caution; no source of heat, no torch, no electrical apparatus is allowed; a high-performance alarm system is in place; and very strict supervision of all people allowed there. I think we will eventually learn that this was arson.”

6) So, as I said yesterday, with all these security measures, to have a fire on the roof of Notre-Dame, someone had to bring something there, and lit it up"

https://gellerreport.com/2019/04/notre-dame-fire-whatwe-know.html/

Posted by: zombie at April 17, 2019 08:52 PM (5tb4C)

45 Radical Islam did not do this and if they did, we'll never know the true motive.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 17, 2019 08:52 PM (+y/Ru)

46
Duh. Here it is:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU6jL7rpdYIfeature=youtu.be

Posted by: IrishEi at April 17, 2019 08:49 PM (NtglE)


Holy cats. Dude looks like he's wearing some sort of white skull cap.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 17, 2019 08:52 PM (ptqGC)

47 40 Sometimes the most obvious thing is the actual thing.
Actually, most of the time.
Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 08:51 PM (UdKB7)


Close. The simplest explanation is the one to adopt until and unless it cannot account for observations.

Posted by: William of Ockham at April 17, 2019 08:52 PM (QmV8z)

48
IN the shadow of the mushroom cloud, the "authorities" will say that the motive may never be known.

We now appear to have a media run by the same people who make Tootsie Roll Pops.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 17, 2019 08:52 PM (HaL55)

49 Could have been one of those Australian Firebirds migrating to England.

Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 08:52 PM (UdKB7)

50 Slightly off topic, so shoot me.I saw a headline that said 1 BILLION dollars had been pledged to rebuild the cathedral.Just my cynical non Catholic self thinking that if the pope had one hair on his wizzened scrotum, he'd be lambasting the billionaires pledging this money and asking why they haven't been feeding and otherwise caring for people with that money.

Posted by: TOXIC DASTARDLY DAN at April 17, 2019 08:52 PM (odi99)

51 Notre Dame Fire Strikes Amidst Wave of Vandalism and Arson at Christian Churches in France
This doesn't mean the Notre Dame fire was arson.

**Waves hand around**

In best Obe Wan Kenobi voice, " This is not the conspiracy theory you are looking for"

Posted by: tbodie at April 17, 2019 08:53 PM (NLny5)

52 North Dakota's on fire?

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 17, 2019 08:53 PM (NWiLs)

53 In fairness, a shitload of workmen up on scaffolding, working with, e.g., welding torches, frayed electrical cables, etc. could easily do that. Not to say that they did, but it's entirely plausible.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 17, 2019 08:50 PM (QmV8z)

No workers. No power cables. No welding.

They were already concerned about fire.

All that was up there, according to reports from the companies involved, was scaffolding.

Posted by: Don Q at April 17, 2019 08:53 PM (NgKpN)

54 well there were workers doing reconstuction work on
the roof. I imagine that means power tools, and I imagine that means
electricity and sparks.





Posted by: ace, just quoting good lines now at April 17, 2019 08:49 PM (PbpT7)

============================
Now, the Geller report might be a bit out there, but if the only "reconstruction" work being done to date was putting up scaffolding, -before- the actual work, then things look a bit dodgy on the the "accident" front.

Posted by: mrp at April 17, 2019 08:53 PM (Pqytn)

55 All along I was confused why there were no aerial equipment putting water on it. Later on they showed one, and then two hoses. I have seen fires in small supermarkets with a dozen hoses spraying it down within a 1/2 hour.

Very late, when the fire was mostly out so maybe 6 hours later they had about a dozen hoses on it. Why did it take so long?

And why did all the reports say that the firefighters had saved the artwork, but now it comes out that a priest went into the burning cathedral and saved them

Fucking France - they lie about everything. No truth will ever come out of France about this.

(Just look at the concorde accident. officially, pan am or whoever was to blame but the plane was a death trap and I think even that was a lie. Look into it, the plane was wobling down the runway before hand...)

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at April 17, 2019 08:53 PM (LWu6U)

56 Can we give France to the Poles for safekeeping?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 17, 2019 08:53 PM (Z+IKu)

57 6) So, as I said yesterday, with all these security
measures, to have a fire on the roof of Notre-Dame, someone had to bring
something there, and lit it up"



https://gellerreport.com/2019/04/notre-dame-fire-whatwe-know.html/

Posted by: zombie at April 17, 2019 08:52 PM (5tb4C)


Wow. Your entire post. Just wow.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 17, 2019 08:54 PM (ptqGC)

58 There can be no peace with the existence of islham. Period. End. Of. Report.

Posted by: Sponge at April 17, 2019 08:54 PM (Zz0t1)

59 Bears repeating, if you are the kind of scum that can master IED depoyment, you can master the art of Improvised Incendiary Device deployment.

No that anyone in the totes assimilated ban-lieue sub-culture would know anything about that!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 17, 2019 08:54 PM (f3oO4)

60 There is also video of someone looking like they are wearing robes, moving across the base of the roof just after the fire started (you can see the fire in the background).
Posted by: Don Q at April 17, 2019 08:51 PM (NgKpN)
~~~~~

That's the video I posted at #30.

Posted by: IrishEi at April 17, 2019 08:54 PM (NtglE)

61 3 My prog sister just yesterday told my husband not to GO THERE about any possibility of terrorism. Because white nationalists are setting black churches on fire All Over The United States.

*sigh*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 17, 2019 08:44 PM (ptqGC)
---
A guy at work brought up this very thing the day of the Notre Dame fire. He wondered if they were connected.

It's like they get the official talking points texted to them every morning across the land.

Posted by: Frau Doktor Professor All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 17, 2019 08:55 PM (kQs4Y)

62 38 Don't think it matters much what the official claim is. A large portion of society is going to believe it was deliberately set by members of the ROP.
Posted by: Ever at April 17, 2019 08:51 PM (Brfdf)


Behold the consequence of trying to deflect blame from them even when they were obviously to blame: namely, no one believes the MSM anymore. Not even the Reds.

Posted by: William of Ockham at April 17, 2019 08:55 PM (QmV8z)

63 Notre Dame. Sad!

Ok. This 'Get Aunt Becky' shit has gone fucking nuts.
Now they want to charge the KIDS FFS!!

This is class warfare via weaponized law enforcement.


One mom writes a check to the college board and she's a "donor. "
Another writes a check to the board and she's a "felon".
And now it's just TOO DARNED HARD to charge the fucking ivy league ponces so ...LET'S INDICT THE KIDS.
Bloody fucking hell.

More leftover Obama totalitarian horseshit.

And Carolla disappoints me.

Shameful.

Posted by: mikeyG - Nationalist White at April 17, 2019 08:55 PM (LL1Be)

64 Charles Martel would make Macron pee in his pants by just looking at him.

Posted by: dantesed at April 17, 2019 08:55 PM (88xKn)

65 catholics and wisconsin synod lutherans have been tearing down beautiful heritage churches around here for years. nobody gives a fuck. new generic churches are the rage now. i'm holding out for the first springsteen grannie panties tour. fuckers.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 17, 2019 08:55 PM (KP5rU)

66 I'm still gobsmacked that there were no fire boats on the Seine right away.

Savannah, GA has fire boats at the ready, should any fires break out on the historic riverfront. They'd be there in a heartbeat.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 17, 2019 08:55 PM (ptqGC)

67 Bears repeating, if you are the kind of scum that can master IED depoyment, you can master the art of Improvised Incendiary Device deployment.

No that anyone in the totes assimilated ban-lieue sub-culture would know anything about that!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 17, 2019 08:54 PM (f3oO4)


Heck, Bo and Luke Duke were MASTERS of the bow, arrow and dynamite. And they were just dumb rubes.

Posted by: Sponge at April 17, 2019 08:56 PM (Zz0t1)

68 well there were workers doing reconstruction work on the roof. I imagine that means power tools, and I imagine that means electricity and sparks.

Posted by: ace, just quoting good lines now


Haven't we been assured that there were no workers on site due to Holy Week starting up?

If those folks were up there at the time it started then obviously they could have accidentally got the thing burning.

Posted by: Sharkman at April 17, 2019 08:56 PM (Y3hKx)

69 well there were workers doing reconstuction work on the roof. I imagine that means power tools, and I imagine that means electricity and sparks.
osted by: ace, just quoting good lines now at April 17, 2019 08:49 PM (PbpT7)

But were they working on Monday? And if they were, why did it take so long for the fire to be detected. I saw zero reports of having to evacuate workers from high on the ceiling. Doesn't mean it didn't happen since the news media wants to report narrative and not news, but it's all suspicious.

Posted by: I have a hunch I'll be back at April 17, 2019 08:56 PM (bWR5k)

70 Just spitballin' here, but I am gonna go out on a limb and guess the bad actors in this whole deal are not named Jaques or Pierre.

Posted by: Phil Hartmark F/K/A Truck Monkey at April 17, 2019 08:56 PM (flINI)

71 They are super careful in reconstruction in these types of buildings. I read there is a strict policy in what sort of tools and equipment could be present and how they were used.

Posted by: Max Power at April 17, 2019 08:56 PM (q177U)

72 >>North Dakota's on fire?


It's burning, but there is no flame.

Posted by: Antibiotic Resistant Gonhorrea at April 17, 2019 08:56 PM (pCsgI)

73 If I had a hammer
I'd swing it in the morning
I's swing it in the evening
All over La France

Posted by: Charles Martel at April 17, 2019 08:57 PM (QzkSJ)

74
Christian Basilica in Paris No-Go Suburbs Heavily Vandalised

The over 800-year-old Basilica of Saint-Denis was heavily vandalised with vandals smashing stained glass windows.

A 41-year-old Pakistani migrant is facing charges for vandalizing the basilica, Breitbart reported on Tuesday.



Paging Charles Martel. Paging Charles Martel

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 17, 2019 08:57 PM (0R3dy)

75 I'm still gobsmacked that there were no fire boats on the Seine right away.

Savannah, GA has fire boats at the ready, should any fires break out on the historic riverfront. They'd be there in a heartbeat.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 17, 2019 08:55 PM (ptqGC)


France. Where they rioted and burned when they tried to make the "you can't be fired from your job" age 26.......

I can't imagine why they didn't start fighting the fire for hours.

Posted by: Sponge at April 17, 2019 08:57 PM (Zz0t1)

76 This was a difficult fire to get to. It was basically an attic fire, with a stone ceiling several stories up. Couldn't attack it from above, no good way to get to it from below. With 800 year old oak timber's and lots of airspace.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 17, 2019 08:57 PM (dNzKv)

77 Close. The simplest explanation is the one to adopt until and unless it cannot account for observations.
Posted by: William of Ockham


*****

"Shave It Like Ockham"

Posted by: Muldoon at April 17, 2019 08:57 PM (m45I2)

78 31; you phucker. thanks!

Posted by: chavez the hugo


Let me help with that ear-worm:

Chucky's In Love, by Rickie Lee Jones.

You're welcome.

Posted by: Sharkman at April 17, 2019 08:57 PM (Y3hKx)

79 37 The fire apparently started in two locations.


Purely random chance, like the guy who shoots himself in the back.

Posted by: Anon23 at April 17, 2019 08:57 PM (yJy4c)

80 Let's see... yeah, there's no chance of terrorism...just like always...Must be a White Devil...

Posted by: Spankmeister at April 17, 2019 08:58 PM (dn8lZ)

81 In beheading news...

https://twitter.com/Zander9899/status/
1118159971101945858

Some reasonable commentary in the replies if you click through.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 17, 2019 08:58 PM (Dh1wo)

82 What should bother everyone is that they had already broadcast a conclusion before the investigation had even begun. This is a signal to every miscreant in the country that if they follow a certain belief set that they will be above the law.

It's almost like Democrats.

Posted by: Gork at April 17, 2019 08:58 PM (VmQ66)

83 The French will rebuild it into the greatest amusement park ever.

Posted by: freaked

Bistro...you mean Bistro.

Posted by: Boswell at April 17, 2019 08:58 PM (32YRo)

84 My mom always told the story of attending a "midnight" mass at Saint-Sulpice during WWII only it was held in the early evening because of the curfew the Nazis had imposed. Blackout curtains everywhere, inside the church no lights on, just candles. She remembered it as the most beautiful service she ever attended. Afterwards everyone hurried home because if you were caught on the street after curfew you'd get shot.

It's been very upsetting and frustrating to say the least to read about these church fires and desecrations.

Posted by: JuJuBee at April 17, 2019 08:59 PM (aBR7R)

85 Just spitballin' here, but I am gonna go out on a limb and guess the bad actors in this whole deal are not named Jaques or Pierre.
Posted by: Phil Hartmark F/K/A Truck Monkey at April 17, 2019 08:56 PM (flINI)

I'll go one step further: I guarantee the perp(s) wasn't/weren't named after any Christian Saint.

Posted by: Surfperch at April 17, 2019 08:59 PM (tVQUs)

86 In all honesty, the guy in the video posted at #30 looks like an extra from set of "Camelot," or "Monty Python and the Holy Grail," rather than a Mohammedan or a radical atheist.

Posted by: I have a hunch I'll be back at April 17, 2019 08:59 PM (bWR5k)

87 Haven't they already confirmed that no constructing workers were on site that day?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Ridiculous Bullshit at April 17, 2019 08:59 PM (vcatx)

88 Gardner goes BOOM

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2019 08:59 PM (Y+V3r)

89 Prediction. Notre Dame will be rebuilt.


Carolla on Tucker compares Hollywood college parents to Honey Boo Boo?

Holy shit. When did Mean Girl 'eat-the-rich' attacks become Federal fucking law?

Posted by: mikeyG - Nationalist White at April 17, 2019 08:59 PM (LL1Be)

90 Guess I should be glad my brother won't speak to me anymore.

Posted by: Infidel at April 17, 2019 08:59 PM (lwX7s)

91 A grand salami

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2019 08:59 PM (Y+V3r)

92 78: you just made the list.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 17, 2019 08:59 PM (KP5rU)

93 Can we give France to the Poles for safekeeping?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy

Old connection.

Prince Poniatowski was a Marshal of France.

Posted by: Le Mikleuse at April 17, 2019 08:59 PM (QzkSJ)

94 Purely random chance, like the guy who shoots himself in the back.
Posted by: Anon23 at April 17, 2019 08:57 PM (yJy4c)

Twice in the back, once in the head.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 17, 2019 08:59 PM (hv/hU)

95 There's about a one percent chance it was due to construction and 99 percent chance it was something else imhowiwawypfi.

Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 08:59 PM (UdKB7)

96 1. Jihadi Modus Operandi: usurp, destroy and desecrate monuments, artifacts of other religions (see Dome of the Rock at Temple Mount, Hagia Sophia, Tomb of Joseph, Buddhist Statues, the Kaaba (Yes, the Kaaba).

2. Numerous desecrations and vandalisms of churches across Europe.

3. Significant time of year, Holy Week.

4. Previous attempt to destroy Notre Dame (see WTC attack pattern).

Call me crazy, but I wouldn't discount a Islamic terrorist attack on a Western Christian landmark.

Posted by: Minuteman at April 17, 2019 09:00 PM (kIh6J)

97 If there is ever any definitive proof that men who have sex with goats did this, Mecca should become a glass parking lot. I'm sick of tip-toeing around these cretins and their 7th century culture.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 17, 2019 09:00 PM (ptqGC)

98 No workers. No power cables. No welding.

They were already concerned about fire.

All that was up there, according to reports from the companies involved, was scaffolding.
Posted by: Don Q at April 17, 2019 08:53 PM (NgKpN)


That doesn't exclude the possibility that, all the rules notwithstanding, someone broke the rules.

Would it be the first time in human history? No.

In fact, breaking the rules accounts for 90% of human history. How did we get the Venona transcripts? A one-time cipher is mathematically unbreakable. But some lazy/drunken Russkis re-used some one-time cipher pads, which was streng verboten.

I'm not saying it wasn't arson, but I'm saying we need to bear in mind the limitless ocean of human stupidity. I give you, e.g, the election of Obama in this context.

Posted by: William of Ockham at April 17, 2019 09:00 PM (QmV8z)

99 61 3 My prog sister just yesterday told my husband not to GO THERE about any possibility of terrorism. Because white nationalists are setting black churches on fire All Over The United States.

*sigh*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 17, 2019 08:44 PM (ptqGC)
---
A guy at work brought up this very thing the day of the Notre Dame fire. He wondered if they were connected.

It's like they get the official talking points texted to them every morning across the land.
Posted by: Frau Doktor Professor All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 17, 2019 08:55 PM (kQs4Y)

ONE crazy White guy, set three black churches on Fire.

He actually used his phone to film himself at the sits and afterwards.

He's a nutter, plain and simple. Pyromaniac.

But that will be used as a bludgeon by the Left, and Islamists, to silence anyone on the right.

Posted by: Don Q at April 17, 2019 09:00 PM (NgKpN)

100
Matt Wolking
@MattWolking
So reporters are upset because they will receive an on-the-record briefing by the AG and DAG about the report, instead of having to rely on anonymous, false leaks from Schiff and co about the report?

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at April 17, 2019 09:00 PM (BqBId)

101 Was the scaffolding guarded? Could someone climb up over several days and plan where they wanted to start a fire?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 17, 2019 09:00 PM (dNzKv)

102 >> The fire apparently started in two locations.


Typically, this is an amateur arsonists way of 'not getting caught'.

Sort of like that spot in your car where you hide your weed. Because nobody else has a Chevy or anything...

Posted by: garrett at April 17, 2019 09:00 PM (pCsgI)

103 So, the Left brings the Muzzies in to finish what they started in French Revolution: the destruction of the Christian Churches.

Posted by: JAS at April 17, 2019 09:00 PM (KOCKb)

104 >>>This doesn't mean the Notre Dame fire was arson.<<<

Probability and diligent trending will play out the truth. Care and suspicion never generated any harm. Open eyes, open mind and open calls for air strikes.


Posted by: Fritz at April 17, 2019 09:00 PM (LuPts)

105 North Dakota's on fire?

Posted by: Insomniac


Touchdown Jesus at the Stadium

Posted by: Sharkman at April 17, 2019 09:00 PM (Y3hKx)

106 If it was arson when will those in the media get around to telling us, the great unwashed masses?

Posted by: Random thought generator at April 17, 2019 09:01 PM (1EwqP)

107 new generic churches are the rage now. i'm holding out for the first springsteen grannie panties tour. fuckers.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 17, 2019 08:55 PM (KP5rU)

Yup....in a semi defunct mall in my AO there is one of these "Entertainment" churches where the Belk's and Burdines used to be and a kid's section where a shoe store was.

Their slogan is "No perfect people allowed" and they have a huge banner of a single white woman with her brown kid (son?) just to show how woke they is. No husband around.

Where is Reverend Jim Jones when we need him.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 17, 2019 09:01 PM (Z+IKu)

108 No fuckin idea who or how it started. Not confident we will ever know.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2019 09:01 PM (Y+V3r)

109 There is this grainy vid shot far from the church when no one was supposed to be there. Shows movement on the roof then a flash...is this something...who knows.
https://tinyurl.com/yy3vttd7

Posted by: DXO at April 17, 2019 09:01 PM (nzKWW)

110 Posted by: zombie at April 17, 2019 08:52 PM (5tb4C)

Wow. Your entire post. Just wow.




Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 17, 2019 08:54 PM (ptqGC)


Jane, I'm catching up, thanks for pointing me to zombie's link.

NOTHING TO SEE HERE, Comrade Citizen, please to move along!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 17, 2019 09:01 PM (f3oO4)

111 9 Could have been one of those Australian Firebirds migrating to England.


*********

That might explain the coconuts.

Posted by: Muldoon at April 17, 2019 09:02 PM (m45I2)

112 Dombrowski's Marzuka has a stanza that thanks Napoleon for teaching the Poles how to win. It took another hundred years to make that happen, though.

Posted by: mrp at April 17, 2019 09:02 PM (Pqytn)

113 It's been very upsetting and frustrating to say the least to read about these church fires and desecrations.

Posted by: JuJuBee at April 17, 2019 08:59 PM (aBR7R)


Not to mention the priest beheaded in his church in Ruen a couple of years ago.


France is lost.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 17, 2019 09:02 PM (ptqGC)

114 Don't they have surveillance cameras all over that building anyway?

Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 09:02 PM (UdKB7)

115 Bo and Luke Duke were MASTERS of the bow, arrow and dynamite. And they were just dumb rubes.

Posted by: Sponge


Bo and Luke were quite possibly the original inspiration for the dudes in that classic video game Redneck Rampage.

If they weren't, they should have been.

Posted by: Sharkman at April 17, 2019 09:02 PM (Y3hKx)

116 Savannah, GA has fire boats at the ready, should any fires break out on the historic riverfront. They'd be there in a heartbeat.
Posted by: Jane D'oh

Also, a lot of gay people at the ready. Last time I took the wife and kids down to Savanah, it was pink aluminum shorts, wife beaters and roller skates. It's like Freddy Mercury was clones a thousand times. No place for family anymore. Sad.

Posted by: Boswell at April 17, 2019 09:02 PM (32YRo)

117 No workers, just scaffolding; a league of dedicated preservationists; fire started in two places...

This is one of those situations where I'd like people to cite sources. There is so much shit talk everywhere that it's like I read it on Reddit is authoritative.

I didn't believe it when they ruled out terrorism before the fire was out. I don't believe every somebody said his brother saw something.

I would like to see sources for any claims of knowledge.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 17, 2019 09:03 PM (fuK7c)

118 No fuckin idea who or how it started. Not confident we will ever know.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2019 09:01 PM (Y+V3r)


Sounds a lot like the old "We may never know the true intentions of the arsonist!" announcement.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 17, 2019 09:03 PM (f3oO4)

119 There is absolutely no chance the stock market or housing market will crash.

- Govt Experts in 1929, 1987, 2000 and 2008

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at April 17, 2019 09:03 PM (9RA7Y)

120 I'm not saying it wasn't arson, but I'm saying we need to bear in mind the limitless ocean of human stupidity. I give you, e.g, the election of Obama in this context.
Posted by: William of Ockham at April 17, 2019 09:00 PM (QmV8z)


But to dismiss out of hand, any nefarious intention, is also stupid.

There is a pattern of destroying Holy sites. There have been numerous fires in France itself.

This is very suspicious.

To dismiss the possibility of evil intention, is as stupid as to dismiss the possibility of stupidity.

Posted by: Don Q at April 17, 2019 09:03 PM (NgKpN)

121 Bet Quasimodo has a HUNCH who did it

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at April 17, 2019 09:04 PM (BqBId)

122 Also, a lot of gay people at the ready. Last time I
took the wife and kids down to Savanah, it was pink aluminum shorts,
wife beaters and roller skates. It's like Freddy Mercury was clones a
thousand times. No place for family anymore. Sad.



Posted by: Boswell at April 17, 2019 09:02 PM (32YRo)


Were you here during Gay Pride week? Because that's not Savannah at all. Lots of gorgeous historic churches, and lovely families filling them up every Sunday. This is a beautiful city and quite family friendly.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 17, 2019 09:04 PM (ptqGC)

123 Maybe the French would do better under Polish tutelage.

Sarkozy is Hungarian, not a notable success.

Posted by: Le Mikleuse de Hongrie at April 17, 2019 09:04 PM (QzkSJ)

124 North Dakota's on fire?


It's burning, but there is no flame.

Posted by: Antibiotic Resistant Gonhorrea


Dude just made a fucking natural gas joke.

A natural gas joke.

Posted by: Sharkman at April 17, 2019 09:04 PM (Y3hKx)

125 It's the epitome of Western civilization and christian art.

Oh bullshit.


The thing got rebuilt with new parts like 900 times. It will be rebuilt again. The muzzies burned it. Shocker.

Posted by: mikeyG - Nationalist White at April 17, 2019 09:04 PM (LL1Be)

126 the "lone wolf" could have started the small fire before leaving work, or could have left a device. Not really a big deal, given all the old tinder around. That is why renovation is so careful.


And "the left" (France) would cover it up. But that is without evidence, for now, unless those on the scene are being silenced, and they come forward.


The other possibility, that real renovation was made easier by a fire ... has some degree of plausibility. The "don't put new wine in old wineskins" thang. And it would make a good fundraiser, to see it burn ... sacrebleu! It worked ... half a billion and counting.


Accident seems less likely to me ... timing, and the trend, and the Muslim workers ... in any case ... rebuild it better and more glorious ... and still Christian .. would be nice.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 17, 2019 09:04 PM (Cus5s)

127 121 Bet Quasimodo has a HUNCH who did it
Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at April 17, 2019 09:04 PM (BqBId)

15 yard penalty, repeat 2nd down.

Posted by: AOSHQ Ref at April 17, 2019 09:05 PM (hv/hU)

128 maybe someone left their Samsung phone around.

Posted by: willow at April 17, 2019 09:05 PM (r/xAU)

129 116: between the gays and moochers, savannah, sucks balls anymore.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 17, 2019 09:05 PM (KP5rU)

130 Fort Hood wasn't terror
Benghazi wasn't terror
Orlando wasn't terror
San Bernardino wasn't terror

A million things have NOT been terror since that most terror-filled day of all, November 4th, 2008. All at the same time we were officially told to be extra vigilant about white army veterans and conservative militias who are the TRUE terror threat we face. We are being gaslit to shit and most of us have thankfully caught on.

Posted by: ... at April 17, 2019 09:05 PM (uEbPt)

131 If it was arson when will those in the media get around to telling us, the great unwashed masses?
Posted by: Random thought generator at April 17, 2019 09:01 PM (1EwqP)


2 months after they get around to figuring out the Vegas shooting.

Posted by: LASue at April 17, 2019 09:05 PM (XROPS)

132 Why does this Ace guy have to be such a hard-ass? Can't we all just get along?

Posted by: James Comey at April 17, 2019 09:05 PM (hjaPQ)

133 A couple of years ago, a couple of Muslim teenagers beheaded a priest during Mass in Normandy. IIRC, they shot a couple of nuns, too.

Posted by: mrp at April 17, 2019 09:06 PM (Pqytn)

134 between the gays and moochers, savannah, sucks balls anymore.
Posted by: chavez the hugo

Midnight in the Garden of Gay and Evil

Posted by: Miklos, based on a true story at April 17, 2019 09:06 PM (QzkSJ)

135 130 Fort Hood wasn't terror
Benghazi wasn't terror
Orlando wasn't terror
San Bernardino wasn't terror

__

9/11 wasn't either, according to our esteemed representative from Minnesota and her pals in the MSM.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at April 17, 2019 09:06 PM (9RA7Y)

136 My buddy has family in France. They have been under siege for years. People can't buy cars, insurance costs too much due to car-b-q's. There's a mad rush to apply for Swiss citizenship. These church vandalisms are just the next logical step in terrorizing the populace.

Posted by: kallisto at April 17, 2019 09:07 PM (Y+IGD)

137 No fuckin idea who or how it started. Not confident we will ever know.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2019 09:01 PM (Y+V3r)


Because if it IS arson, they won't tell because the muslhams will burn the entire fucking country down and they'll just pull up their dresses and run away, begging TRUMP to send in the troops.

Sorry France. YOU BUILT THIS.

Posted by: Sponge at April 17, 2019 09:07 PM (Zz0t1)

138 133 A couple of years ago, a couple of Muslim teenagers beheaded a priest during Mass in Normandy. IIRC, they shot a couple of nuns, too.
Posted by: mrp at April 17, 2019 09:06 PM (Pqytn)

Oh, those rambunctious youths with their shenanigans!

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 17, 2019 09:07 PM (NWiLs)

139 The FBI said the Scalise shooting wasn't political.



I'll just throw that out there.

Posted by: dagny at April 17, 2019 09:07 PM (nRWPy)

140 And the French will do:

A ) Something

B) Nothing

Posted by: mikeyG - Nationalist White at April 17, 2019 09:07 PM (LL1Be)

141 Rule #1 in research: examine the possibilities dispassionately. Do not marry your hypothesis. Entertain the possibility that you might be full of shit. (In physical science research, that happens about 10% of the time. Elsewhere, the probability is most likely a LOT higher.)

See, e.g., global warming acolytes.

Bottom line: do not exclude any possibilities out of hand. But also don't adopt any out of hand.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 17, 2019 09:07 PM (Hwt6E)

142 134; the riverwalk, anyway.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 17, 2019 09:07 PM (KP5rU)

143
Hannity is playing all of the walls closing in and the beginning of the end of Trump clips from the geniuses in the MFM

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 17, 2019 09:07 PM (Uf4ia)

144
Sean Davis @seanmdav

In case you were wondering which stage of grief the D.C. press corps is in regarding Trump's election/Mueller's no collusion finding, they're currently melting down because the attorney general they want to question is holding a press conference where they can ask him questions.

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at April 17, 2019 09:07 PM (BqBId)

145 Rob Reiner: Trump will Use Mueller Report to Drive Stake Through the Heart of Democracy

Whines like a little girl. What a meathead

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2019 09:08 PM (Y+V3r)

146 136 My buddy has family in France. They have been under siege for years. People can't buy cars, insurance costs too much due to car-b-q's. There's a mad rush to apply for Swiss citizenship. These church vandalisms are just the next logical step in terrorizing the populace.
Posted by: kallisto at April 17, 2019 09:07 PM (Y+IGD)

___

Paris is banning cars anyway, so insurance costs will be moot soon.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at April 17, 2019 09:08 PM (9RA7Y)

147 Fort Hood wasn't terror
Benghazi wasn't terror
Orlando wasn't terror
San Bernardino wasn't terror

__

9/11 wasn't either, according to our esteemed representative from Minnesota and her pals in the MSM.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker
-----
Quit your bitching about something done by someone...///

Posted by: lin-duh at April 17, 2019 09:08 PM (UUBmN)

148 Mark my words: Macron is going to be dragged out of his maison by his chestnuts.

Posted by: kallisto at April 17, 2019 09:09 PM (Y+IGD)

149 Were you here during Gay Pride week? Because that's not Savannah at all. Lots of gorgeous historic churches, and lovely families filling them up every Sunday. This is a beautiful city and quite family friendly.

Posted by: Jane D'oh

Grew up in Beaufort, SC in the 60's. Savannah was a lovely memory then, Fort Pulaski, the river front, etc...went down two years ago, telling my family about how idyllic it was and what do we see? Every bar and restaurant down on the riverfront has become a gay hang out - a lot like the French Quarter in New Orleans. It was weird and my kids were freaked out. Not good, Jane, not good.

Posted by: Boswell at April 17, 2019 09:09 PM (32YRo)

150 'Entertain the possibility that you might be full of shit.'

Oh it's quite likely.

Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 09:09 PM (UdKB7)

151 >>Rob Reiner: Trump will Use Mueller Report to Drive Stake Through the Heart of Democracy


Shouldn't he be paying some homeless young Twink to take a shit on his chest?

Posted by: garrett at April 17, 2019 09:09 PM (pCsgI)

152 Rob Reiner: Trump will Use Mueller Report to Drive Stake Through the Heart of Democracy

That thing is, what 300 pages?
Talk about a mega-shitload of hammering.

Posted by: mikeyG - Nationalist White at April 17, 2019 09:09 PM (LL1Be)

153 Oh, those rambunctious youths with their shenanigans!
Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 17, 2019 09:07 PM (NWiLs)


Searching for ways to turn their lives around.

Posted by: Sponge at April 17, 2019 09:09 PM (Zz0t1)

154 Napoleon's Polish mistress...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Marie_Walewska


Posted by: andycanuck at April 17, 2019 09:09 PM (Dh1wo)

155 And as much as I would like to blame the election of Obama, and before him the nomination of Asshole McCain, which were both responsible for so much pain and loss, the media started with labeling Richard Reid the "shoe bomber" which even in December of 2001 intentionally did not sound like a big deal. However breathlessly they may have reported it, the attempt to kill so many for Allah sounded so flipping innocuous and stupid.

This from the same c-suckers who have somehow made "Charlottesville" into a curse word.

Posted by: ... at April 17, 2019 09:09 PM (uEbPt)

156 >>Paris is banning cars anyway, so insurance costs will be moot soon.


I think you mean 'Mime'.

Posted by: garrett at April 17, 2019 09:10 PM (pCsgI)

157 114
Don't they have surveillance cameras all over that building anyway?

They sure as hell should. If they can catch Jussie Smullett's beaters on camera buying string and red hats...

Posted by: dartist at April 17, 2019 09:10 PM (K22Va)

158 If there is ever any definitive proof that men who
have sex with goats did this, Mecca should become a glass parking lot.
I'm sick of tip-toeing around these cretins and their 7th century
culture.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 17, 2019 09:00 PM (ptqGC)

As fa as I am concerned, Clan Bush sold us out on 9/12/2001. A molten Mecca still cooling on 9/13/2001 would have gone a long way to "Discourager les autres!"

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 17, 2019 09:10 PM (f3oO4)

159 Rob Reiner: Trump will Use Mueller Report to Drive Stake Through the Heart of Democracy
--------------------------

You spelled Democrats wrong.

Posted by: ... at April 17, 2019 09:10 PM (uEbPt)

160 The fact that they jumped on the "not arson" claim means they are terrified of what happens if it is arson. Look at Fox busily hanging up on anyone even mentioning the possibility.
If the rebuild turns out to be anything other than trying to match exactly how it was before and instead turns into some establishment multi-culti exercise, I expect even more problems.

Posted by: WOPR at April 17, 2019 09:10 PM (J70i0)

161 What would be funny is if it took firefighters 2 hours to get there because they sent a Mime for help.

Posted by: garrett at April 17, 2019 09:10 PM (pCsgI)

162 Rob Reiner: Trump will Use Mueller Report to Drive Stake Through the Heart of Democracy

Whines like a little girl. What a meathead
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 17, 2019 09:08 PM (Y+V3r)


We're a Constitutional Republic, you fat fuck. And Trump is actually USING it to stomp your fat fuck ass like the bitch you are.

Posted by: Sponge at April 17, 2019 09:10 PM (Zz0t1)

163 Grew up in Beaufort, SC in the 60's. Savannah was a
lovely memory then, Fort Pulaski, the river front, etc...went down two
years ago, telling my family about how idyllic it was and what do we
see? Every bar and restaurant down on the riverfront has become a gay
hang out - a lot like the French Quarter in New Orleans. It was weird
and my kids were freaked out. Not good, Jane, not good.



Posted by: Boswell at April 17, 2019 09:09 PM (32YRo)


We go down there quite a bit, with friends and out of town visitors. Lots of tourists and families. I honestly have never seen what you describe. Seriously. And we live here.


Whatever.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 17, 2019 09:10 PM (ptqGC)

164 paris france can go horsefuck prince charles the great eared one for all i care. they had culture, they traded it for muzzie diversity. fuck em.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 17, 2019 09:10 PM (KP5rU)

165 To dismiss the possibility of evil intention, is as stupid as to dismiss the possibility of stupidity.
Posted by: Don Q at April 17, 2019 09:03 PM (NgKpN)


Don't put words in my mouth. I'm not dismissing the possibility. On the contrary, I entertain it as a possibility. I just don't have the evidence to hand to subscribe to it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 17, 2019 09:10 PM (Hwt6E)

166 146. There are quite a few cities in France other than Paris.

Posted by: kallisto at April 17, 2019 09:10 PM (Y+IGD)

167 Anyway I got my theory and I'm gonna cling to it. Open mindedness is for the young folk.

Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 09:10 PM (UdKB7)

168 Paris is banning cars anyway, so insurance costs will be moot soon.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker

Paris has been introducing regulations to end "light pollution".


Paris, City of Light

Posted by: Miklos, changing the business model at April 17, 2019 09:11 PM (QzkSJ)

169 As fa as I am concerned, Clan Bush sold us out on 9/12/2001. A molten Mecca still cooling on 9/13/2001 would have gone a long way to "Discourager les autres!"

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 17, 2019 09:10 PM (f3oO4)


Yep and we equally should have shut down every U.S. mosque until further notice, ie never.

Posted by: ... at April 17, 2019 09:11 PM (uEbPt)

170 Rob Reiner: Trump will Use Mueller Report to Drive Stake Through the Heart of Democracy

That thing is, what 300 pages?
Talk about a mega-shitload of hammering.
Posted by: mikeyG - Nationalist White at April 17, 2019 09:09 PM (LL1Be)

Give me a call.

Posted by: Charles Martel at April 17, 2019 09:11 PM (tVQUs)

171 what's sad is it wasn't appreciated for what it actually was and now it it is in tatters.....it will be rebuilt quick with little if any love for our Lord and his mother....no soul.....no sacrafice.....for profit....and be rented out for ghey weddings and muslim festivals and become just another place

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 17, 2019 09:11 PM (0O7c5)

172 The Turks have been asking for it ever since Constantinople became Istanbul.

Posted by: Fritz at April 17, 2019 09:11 PM (LuPts)

173 Rob Reiner has a face that is thirsty for fists.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 17, 2019 09:12 PM (nDe2U)

174 Didn't George Clooney star in "Men Who Have Sex With Goats"?

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 17, 2019 09:12 PM (NWiLs)

175 What would be funny is if it took firefighters 2 hours to get there because they sent a Mime for help.

Posted by: garrett at April 17, 2019 09:10 PM (pCsgI)

This joke was even funnier in the original Mime.

Posted by: ... at April 17, 2019 09:12 PM (uEbPt)

176 Let's be reasonable. There is no reason to believe that the ND fire was intentionally set.
Why would it make sense for a wholly anti-Christian group of shitheads - imported into France by the millions - who ALWAYS try to kill people to celebrate their past "victories" of their horseshit "religion," try to destroy a Holy Christian Cathedral?

Posted by: Spankmeister at April 17, 2019 09:12 PM (dn8lZ)

177 If the rebuild turns out to be anything other than trying to match exactly how it was before and instead turns into some establishment multi-culti exercise, I expect even more problems.
Posted by: WOPR

Tres amusee!

Posted by: Centre Pompidou-Notre Dame at April 17, 2019 09:12 PM (QzkSJ)

178 I make a similar point... we know if the fire was an accident it'll be reported as not being arson. We also know if it was arson, it'll be reported as not being arson.

When you tell the same lie over and over again, nobody can tell truth from lie, and it becomes most prudent to assume it's a lie.

It's a Schroedinger's Box of Lies.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 17, 2019 09:12 PM (5aX2M)

179 Entertain the possibility that you might be full of shit.


********


Entertain it? Hell that sucker's been living in my guest room since 1987. He's like part of the family. A friggin' daily affirmation.

Posted by: Muldoon at April 17, 2019 09:12 PM (m45I2)

180 Rob Reiner has a face that is thirsty for fists.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 17, 2019 09:12 PM (nDe2U)


Ha ha, yeah. I know what that's like. Wait, you said ass, right?

Posted by: FORMER President Odumbshit at April 17, 2019 09:13 PM (uEbPt)

181 We go down there quite a bit, with friends and out of town visitors. Lots of tourists and families. I honestly have never seen what you describe. Seriously. And we live here.

Whatever.

Posted by: Jane D'oh

The Pirate House is now known as the Butt Pirate House - but whatever...

Posted by: Boswell at April 17, 2019 09:13 PM (32YRo)

182 I have been to Savannah a few times over the years. Last time was 2011 or 2012. I don't recall seeing a yuuge amount of the gheys. Unless this is a really new phenomenon?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at April 17, 2019 09:13 PM (9RA7Y)

183 I don't know his name but his face sure rings a bell!

Posted by: andycanuck at April 17, 2019 09:13 PM (Dh1wo)

184 Didn't George Clooney star in "Men Who Have Sex With Goats"?
Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 17, 2019 09:12 PM (NWiLs)


Men who fuck fainting goats, or something.

Posted by: Sponge at April 17, 2019 09:13 PM (Zz0t1)

185 What would be funny is if it took firefighters 2 hours to get there because they sent a Mime for help.

Posted by: garrett



Oui Oui!

Posted by: obligatory urine joke at April 17, 2019 09:13 PM (LL1Be)

186 Rob Reiner: Trump will Use Mueller Report to Drive Stake Through the Heart of Democracy

-
Shakespeare: infinite monkeys, infinite typewriters

Meathead: one monkey, fingerpaint

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 17, 2019 09:14 PM (+y/Ru)

187 183 I don't know his name but his face sure rings a bell!
Posted by: andycanuck at April 17, 2019 09:13 PM (Dh1wo)

I have no idea, but he's a dead ringer for his brother!

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 17, 2019 09:14 PM (NWiLs)

188
1. Jihadi Modus Operandi: usurp, destroy and desecrate monuments,
artifacts of other religions (see Dome of the Rock at Temple Mount,
Hagia Sophia, Tomb of Joseph, Buddhist Statues, the Kaaba (Yes, the
Kaaba).



2. Numerous desecrations and vandalisms of churches across Europe.



3. Significant time of year, Holy Week.



4. Previous attempt to destroy Notre Dame (see WTC attack pattern).



Call me crazy, but I wouldn't discount a Islamic terrorist attack on a Western Christian landmark.

I'm not about to discount muzzie arson. It probably was, but we'll never find out because the Tootsie Pop Media doesn't want us to know what it was. All we'll hear are gauzy half-assed conjectures followed by some gigantic blue-ribbon panel of "experts" that will waste a few years and and several million taxpayer dollars only to come to another half-assed conjecture that will probably be a cover-up anyway.
In fact, the more I think about it, I'm certain it was arson done by a muzzie. Progda is way too eager to shut people down if they even act like they want to suggest it was muzzie arson, like Ace said.

"The first casualty when war comes is truth." Welcome to the Culture Wars.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 17, 2019 09:14 PM (HaL55)

189 a gay
hang out - a lot like the French Quarter in New Orleans. It was weird
and my kids were freaked out. Not good, Jane, not good.



Posted by: Boswell at April 17, 2019 09:09 PM (32YRo)

The homos migrated away from New Orleans to San Fran when Aids became a thing in the 80s.

Rents dropped a lot.

Posted by: Miklos de la Nouvelle Orleans at April 17, 2019 09:14 PM (QzkSJ)

190 If most church fires are arson then it is a fair assumption that a church fire is arson until proven otherwise.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 17, 2019 09:14 PM (1g7ch)

191 >>. It was weird and my kids were freaked out. Not good, Jane, not good.
Posted by: Boswell at April 17, 2019 09:09 PM (32YRo)

If ya wanna be freaked out try P-town around cocktail hour on a hot summer night...

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at April 17, 2019 09:14 PM (QE8X6)

192 Imagine a world where Trump was president on 9/11/01.....

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at April 17, 2019 09:14 PM (9RA7Y)

193 44 -- zombie -- I was of the "imbecilic employee of sub contractor" school of thought. Probably because here in Omaha over the past few years three different 100 year old buildings went up in flames during renovation due to sub contractor employee stupidity. But after reading over your counter argument, I'm rethinking that position.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin at April 17, 2019 09:15 PM (ebZss)

194 Good post, ace. That closely mirrors my own thoughts on the matter. I'm still inclined to believe it was an accident related to the renovation work, but of course I would certainly not rule out terrorism.

It seems like it would be very difficult for a terrorist to get into the roof. Setting off a bomb during Mass would be much more straightforward.

But I'm curious as to whether any of the workers were named Mohammad.

Last night I found this article following links from Ann Barnhardt's site. It appears that "militant secularism" is a real thing in France, and is certainly responsible for at least some of the church vandalism. The graffiti shown in the photo was not written by a Muslim, but more likely by an SJW Antifa Commie type.

https://www.apostoliccatholic.com/2019/04/
the-woke-generation-poses-danger-to.html

Posted by: rickl at April 17, 2019 09:15 PM (sdi6R)

195
One of my favorite Archie-Meathead scenes, the sock and shoe putting on order dispute:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFuniFSP2fo

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 17, 2019 09:15 PM (f1Vqw)

196 As fa as I am concerned, Clan Bush sold us out on
9/12/2001. A molten Mecca still cooling on 9/13/2001 would have gone a
long way to "Discourager les autres!"


Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 17, 2019 09:10 PM (f3oO4)
He didn't have to go that far. He should have immediately interned every Saudi national on US soil. Publicly he could say it was to properly interrogate them. Behind the scenes, he should have told the Saudis no one is going anywhere until every bin Laden family member was dead. Every organization the Saudi's funded should have been raided and closed. Every mosque they funded closed and torn down. Muslim immigration stopped. Then an announcement that any other attack like this would result in mushroom clouds in the Middle East.

Posted by: WOPR at April 17, 2019 09:15 PM (J70i0)

197 'Posted by: Spankmeister'

And why would they destroy the tallest buildings in NYC? Could it be they are trying to say something?

Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 09:15 PM (UdKB7)

198 Not sure exactly how or when... but it's likely to get ugly out there.

Posted by: Spankmeister at April 17, 2019 09:16 PM (dn8lZ)

199 179 Entertain the possibility that you might be full of shit.


********


Entertain it? Hell that sucker's been living in my guest room since 1987. He's like part of the family. A friggin' daily affirmation.
Posted by: Muldoon at April 17, 2019 09:12 PM (m45I2)

Yes, but I must admit at times I feel like Cassandra.

Posted by: Don Q at April 17, 2019 09:16 PM (NgKpN)

200 LALALALAAAA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!

NOBODY QUESTIONS FRENCH AUTHORITY ON MY WATCH!!

Posted by: Shep Smith at April 17, 2019 09:16 PM (0Ntuf)

201 I agree. I don't have a clue about how the fire started. But I know this. I REALLY, REALLY don't believe that if they come to the conclusion that it was actually arson by a member of the Religion of Pieces, then they will never, EVER let that fact out in public. Can't risk the Islamophobia, nosiree.

Posted by: SteveOReno, I proudly self-identify as a Moron at April 17, 2019 09:16 PM (2sCft)

202 We're just here to have a good time and preach the gospel!
*not a single line of gospel is spoken the entire hour
Lots of ambiguous reference to the lord or the father, never once mentions God or Jesus.
No cross on in or near the "church"

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 17, 2019 09:16 PM (dNzKv)

203 That might explain the coconuts.
Posted by: Muldoon at April 17, 2019 09:02 PM

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 17, 2019 09:16 PM (Pj/7Q)

204 Posted by: rickl at April 17, 2019 09:15 PM (sdi6R)

__

Yeah the muzzies aren't really anti-Christian. They're anti-everyone who isn't muslim. Overt anti-Christian terrorism is definitely the work of Antifa types, IMO.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at April 17, 2019 09:16 PM (9RA7Y)

205 I have several security cams ... they surely had many for a priceless structure that generated income and prestige, not just the religious importance. there should have been fifty "trail cam" type cameras ... at such an important place, with such a fervor of church burning going on.

They must know more than they will tell the "peons", that only need to be subservient to the narrative, from their view. Maybe facts will emerge ...

Posted by: illiniwek at April 17, 2019 09:17 PM (Cus5s)

206 Don't say MIME too loudly.

Might upset Pixy.

Posted by: Miklos , shhhhhh at April 17, 2019 09:17 PM (QzkSJ)

207 I don't know his name but his face sure rings a bell!
Posted by: andycanuck

I have no idea, but he's a dead ringer for his brother!
Posted by: Insomniac



********

I'm not surprised that you two chimed in on this.

Posted by: Muldoon at April 17, 2019 09:17 PM (m45I2)

208 Rob Reiner: Trump will Use Mueller Report to Drive Stake Through the Heart of Democracy

That thing is, what 300 pages?
Talk about a mega-shitload of hammering.
Posted by: mikeyG - Nationalist White at April 17, 2019 09:09 PM (LL1Be)

What could Trump do that Reiner wouldn't attack? He responds to the fake allegations, he's bad. He doesn't respond to the fake allegations; he's guilty.

Posted by: LASue at April 17, 2019 09:18 PM (XROPS)

209 electricity and sparks.

Lead doesn't spark.

Why would they hire any renovator but the least burny to work on ND?

Is the renovation fire in general really a statistical thing or one of those you're brain just putting 2 and banana together?

Posted by: DaveA at April 17, 2019 09:18 PM (FhXTo)

210 Only good thing out of France beside Norte Dame cathedral is Sophie Marceau.

Posted by: dantesed at April 17, 2019 09:18 PM (88xKn)

211 New Zealand mosque 50 people killed. Media around the world goes nuts. Practically every week in Nigeria 50 Christians are murdered, villages razed, churches destroyed by muzzies. World media silent. Ditto the French church burnings, in other European countries also. It barely gets noticed. Islam is behaving exactly as it did centuries ago when it expanded and conquered.

Posted by: JuJuBee at April 17, 2019 09:18 PM (aBR7R)

212 For one thing, Ace, you may not be able to really comprehend the enormous space between the cathedral ceiling and the roof. And just like any "attic" type fire, it's going to burn awhile before it breaks through the roof or the ceiling. So an incendiary device is quite possible, and in that type of dry fuel environment, it would not have to be big.

Would be interesting to know how many muzzies were in that scaffolding work crew.

Posted by: Sooner at April 17, 2019 09:18 PM (KvLyp)

213 Posted by: zombie at April 17, 2019 08:52 PM (5tb4C)

I lean towards it being arson. I've heard mention that the fire broke out in two spots.

Posted by: WOPR at April 17, 2019 09:19 PM (J70i0)

214 Oh, and in the last thread, somebody posted a vid of a guy on the roof with a flash of some kind happening.

Problem is it's just a very short clip with no timestamp/metadata or anything.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 17, 2019 09:19 PM (5aX2M)

215 Besides if we entertain the possibility of terrorism, how can the Left properly celebrate the destruction of a Holy Christian icon? And oh boy are they celebrating.
If I read one more first year philosophy major write haughtily "so I guess God wanted that cathedral to crumble then, huh?"...

Posted by: ... at April 17, 2019 09:19 PM (uEbPt)

216 At the end of the day, it is just a building. The Church is not a building.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 17, 2019 09:19 PM (dNzKv)

217 Not sure exactly how or when... but it's likely to get ugly out there.


*********

Probably during the prelims of the Quasimodo look-alike contest.

Posted by: Muldoon at April 17, 2019 09:19 PM (m45I2)

218 Look, I only talked about cannibalism and throat=cut babies that one time. I'm usually a calm and centered person. I think I deserve a mulligan on New Orleans.

Posted by: Shemp Smith at April 17, 2019 09:19 PM (hjaPQ)

219 have been to Savannah a few times over the years. Last time was 2011 or 2012. I don't recall seeing a yuuge amount of the gheys. Unless this is a really new phenomenon?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker

Its taken over the tourist areas - down on the river in the more exclusive restaurants and bars - my Dad warned me but I was like Jane - naw, not there. I notice this with friends in New Orleans - I went there and noticed the same thing but they swore they didn't even notice - until I pointed it out and then it was, like, oh, yeah, things change, man...

Posted by: Boswell at April 17, 2019 09:19 PM (32YRo)

220 'The Pirate House is now known as the Butt Pirate House'

The Mrs and I went to the Pirate House just a couple of years ago. The waiter was a little, you know, but nothing overt. We went to the waterfront and didn't see anything too weird. Not nearly as bad as Atlanta or even Macon on a Saturday night.

Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 09:20 PM (UdKB7)

221 If you look at the likely culprits, look at who was just arrested in the Church Burnings in South Louisiana - the one group even more likely than Muzzies to do this are the neo-Pagan Christian Haters, all of them white. They feel empowered by all the Christian hate that's popular on the left these days.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2019 09:20 PM (V2Yro)

222 The Deep State must, at all cost, protect their Chosen Replacement Population, aka low IQ violent Muslims who will terrorize the local populaces and be the means by which a totalitarian world government is established. Because the locals will DEMAND to be protected from the Chosen Replacement Population.


So no, we will never know what cause.

Just like we will never know what happened at the Vegas shooting.

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 17, 2019 09:20 PM (Z3zSO)

223 210 Only good thing out of France beside Norte Dame cathedral is Sophie Marceau.
Posted by: dantesed at April 17, 2019 09:18 PM (88xKn)

Seconded.

Posted by: AOSHQ Ref at April 17, 2019 09:20 PM (hv/hU)

224 desecrating crucifixes with human excrement,

We have to keep in mind that this is France. They didn't even have toilets until the mid 1950s (saved on construction expenses and water).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2019 09:20 PM (ASicf)

225 Barr's getting shade for dropping the report before a holiday weekend by the same people who've been hounding him 24/7 to release the report without delay.

Posted by: JuJuBee at April 17, 2019 09:21 PM (aBR7R)

226 Turns out it was from a spark that had been smoldering since some US bomber pilot flicked a cig out the window during WWII. Phew! Glad we settled that!

Posted by: t-bird at April 17, 2019 09:21 PM (NAs56)

227 14. Yes.

Posted by: kallisto at April 17, 2019 09:21 PM (Y+IGD)

228 There are quite a few cities in France other than Paris.

That brings up a whole different aspect. I had car trouble in rural Quebec once; a Montreal cop who was out there to work on his sailboat helped me a lot, and we got to talking about Americans and their lousy French.

I mentioned that a lot of us can stammer around a little, but we didn't want to offend. He laughed and said, that's just those Parisians. The other French don't even like them, they're so snobby. Canadians won't visit there, because the Parisians openly mock Quebecois. They go to Normandy, where people are likely to have a similar dialect and if they don't, they're friendly and appreciate you visiting, so they'll help you out a little.

Since then I've heard this from several sources: all the crap you hear about France is really about Paris. The rest of France doesn't even like Paris.

Posted by: Your Brother-in-Law at April 17, 2019 09:21 PM (8ZmvG)

229 I guess God wanted that cathedral to crumble then, huh?"...
Posted by: ... at April 17, 2019 09:19 PM (uEbPt)

And it may very well be so. If that is what it takes for Christians to realize what is important and to renew their faith.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 17, 2019 09:21 PM (dNzKv)

230 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 17, 2019 09:14 PM (+y/Ru)
*******
Where is Larry O'Donnell to yell stop the Fucking Hammering, who is fucking hammering

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at April 17, 2019 09:21 PM (BqBId)

231 'I'm not surprised that you two chimed in on this'

I not surprised at any of you ding dongs.

Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 09:22 PM (UdKB7)

Posted by: a mime trapped in Schroedinger's box at April 17, 2019 09:22 PM (Dh1wo)

233 216 At the end of the day, it is just a building. The Church is not a building.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 17, 2019 09:19 PM (dNzKv)

True on the second part, but I would argue with the first. It is more than just a building. It is both an example of history that survives through the ages as well as a beautiful piece of art in of itself.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 17, 2019 09:23 PM (hv/hU)

234 Posted by: WOPR at April 17, 2019 09:15 PM (J70i0)



Interesting alternative approach and a more genteel approach to be sure.

Of course, RoP Bush did neither, and IIRC, helped get a bunch of Saudi nationals out of the country on the down low (repaying old debts no doubt) in the following fortnight.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 17, 2019 09:23 PM (f3oO4)

235 Turns out it was from a spark that had been smoldering since some US bomber pilot flicked a cig out the window during WWII. Phew! Glad we settled that!

The renovation exposed a fire that had been smoldering since 1429. They had to go and fuck with it.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 17, 2019 09:23 PM (dNzKv)

236 Yes, but I must admit at times I feel like Cassandra.
Posted by: Don Q at April 17, 2019 09:16 PM (NgKpN)


No need to beat yourself up, my brother. I'm trying to add some balance here. It could be X, it could be Y. With the evidence to hand - fragmentary at best - it's not clear.

Do Muslims do shit like this? Of course. It could be them.

Do workers do stupid shit contra all rules that has catastrophic consequences? Of course. It could be that too. (Three Mile Island, Chernobyl.)

How many times do construction workers defeat blade guards on power saws, for example?

At this point, we don't know. All the possibilities need to be investigated without prejudice.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 17, 2019 09:23 PM (Hwt6E)

237 210 Only good thing out of France beside Norte Dame cathedral is Sophie Marceau.
Posted by: dantesed at April 17, 2019 09:18 PM (88xKn)


Brigitte Bardot.

Now get off my lawn, whippersnapper.

Posted by: rickl at April 17, 2019 09:23 PM (sdi6R)

238 Sorry, still going with the muzz.

A real question: Would the Gov. ever blame muzz if it could be proven? No, in my opinion. Anything but that.

Posted by: nip at April 17, 2019 09:24 PM (RXwUQ)

239 Since then I've heard this from several sources: all the crap you hear about France is really about Paris. The rest of France doesn't even like Paris.
Posted by: Your Brother-in-Law at April 17, 2019 09:21 PM (8ZmvG)

Well Washington DC isn't exactly the best representation of the US.

Posted by: Someguy at April 17, 2019 09:24 PM (mX8Vr)

240 NORTE DAME!!

I had not seen this in years, and I guess I don't have to wonder why it is suddenly everywhere.

Typing teacher used to make a joke about the "Dame del Sud," which would be at the other end of town from Norte.

Posted by: Your Brother-in-Law at April 17, 2019 09:24 PM (8ZmvG)

241 Sara Carter on Hannity said to get ready in the next few months an Avalanche is coming.
Please God make it so.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 17, 2019 09:24 PM (RBOtF)

242 Cathedral bells, feh. The most beautiful sound in the world is the muslim call to prayer.

Posted by: FORMER President Odumbshit at April 17, 2019 09:24 PM (uEbPt)

243 Oh, and in the last thread, somebody posted a vid of a guy on the roof with a flash of some kind happening.
Problem is it's just a very short clip with no timestamp/metadata or anything.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 17, 2019 09:19 PM
~~~~~

I posted another video at #30 that is much clearer (but no flash seen).

Posted by: IrishEi at April 17, 2019 09:24 PM (NtglE)

244 Has Mrs O'Leary's cow been accounted for?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 17, 2019 09:24 PM (dNzKv)

245 But people have been vandalizing churches, desecrating crucifixes with human excrement

That looks more like the modis operandi of Antifa than muzzies. Those little commie fucks love to smear shit on everything, it's like they're still in diapers.

Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2019 09:24 PM (0Ntuf)

246 The rest of France doesn't even like Paris.

Listen to your friend and visit Normandy. You will love it there and they will welcome you.

Posted by: t-bird at April 17, 2019 09:25 PM (NAs56)

247 [Opens Envelope]

It was the Mr. Muhammad. In the attic. With the candle.

Posted by: Professor Plum at April 17, 2019 09:25 PM (VB3qu)

248 "The first casualty when war comes is truth." Welcome to the Culture Wars.


Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivismBAMN at April 17, 2019 09:14 PM (HaL55)
If it is Islamic arson, they'll try to keep it hidden. I don't think they'll be able to though. Trust level is at an all time low. One hint they are hiding something and some guy is going to release the real report. They are going to have a harder time convincing people it isn't arson.

Posted by: WOPR at April 17, 2019 09:25 PM (J70i0)

249
Before a single fireman even entered the structure?!!


There was a daily-mail story claiming they had a cool firefighting robot on scene.

Posted by: Off the reservation at April 17, 2019 09:25 PM (vWMNq)

250 Sara Carter on Hannity said to get ready in the next few months an Avalanche is coming.
Please God make it so.
Posted by: redridinghood at April 17, 2019 09:24 PM (RBOtF)
********
She taking her clothes off?

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at April 17, 2019 09:25 PM (BqBId)

251 Is the renovation fire in general really a statistical thing or one of those you're brain just putting 2 and banana together?
Posted by: DaveA at April 17, 2019 09:18 PM (FhXTo)

It is a VERY common thing. A church I was a member of, we were fixing the ceiling from some mildew and water damage from a roof leak. The contractors were just about done, and were painting the ceiling. One of them pushed some rags up into the can lighting so the bulbs wouldn't be spray painted, and put a tag on the light switch so no one would turn them on.

The tag fell off, someone who didn't know anything about it flipped on the lights and left, the painted rag caught on fire from the heat and fell out, burning, fell right on top of a brand new organ console and burned it up - $300,000 in damage due to one oily rag and somebody accidentally turning the lights on.

Accidents happen in weird, almost trivial ways. I wouldn't be surprised at all to find that this fire started in some weird way like that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2019 09:26 PM (V2Yro)

252 74 -- TheQuietMan -- Charles Martel was already present at St. Denis.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin at April 17, 2019 09:26 PM (ebZss)

253 There was a daily-mail story claiming they had a cool firefighting robot on scene.

Posted by: Off the reservation at April 17, 2019 09:25 PM (vWMNq)

But not a single fire boat?

Posted by: Surfperch at April 17, 2019 09:26 PM (tVQUs)

254 Since then I've heard this from several sources: all the crap you hear about France is really about Paris. The rest of France doesn't even like Paris.

Posted by: Your Brother-in-Law at April 17, 2019 09:21 PM (8ZmvG)


Only Parisians surrender and stab allies in the back?

It's possible, I guess ... but that would just make the rest of the country look that much worse.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2019 09:26 PM (ASicf)

255 Speaking of whom, I wonder what Bardot thinks about this.

Given her repeated run-ins with the authorities for anti-Muslim hate speech, she's probably bitten her tongue clean off.

Posted by: rickl at April 17, 2019 09:27 PM (sdi6R)

256 Islam is not a religion compatible with Western thought.Thomas Jefferson made this clear some time ago. Anyone recall a little Marine Corp ditty referencing "the shores of Tripoli?"Let me know when I should stand with my Marine brothers against these evil dirtbags.

Posted by: Spankmeister at April 17, 2019 09:27 PM (dn8lZ)

257 a firefighting sex robot?

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at April 17, 2019 09:27 PM (ufFY8)

258 I didn't catch his name but he's a dead ringer for his brother!

Posted by: andycanuck at April 17, 2019 09:27 PM (Dh1wo)

259 - TheQuietMan -- Charles Martel was already present at St. Denis.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin at April 17, 2019 09:26 PM (ebZss)



Then he ought to get his zombie ass in gear and start hammering!


Battle of Tours 2: Electric Slaughter-Muzzie-loo

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 17, 2019 09:28 PM (3gjo/)

260 245
But people have been vandalizing churches, desecrating crucifixes with human excrement



That looks more like the modis operandi of Antifa than muzzies.
Those little commie fucks love to smear shit on everything, it's like
they're still in diapers.


Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2019 09:24 PM (0Ntuf)

Diapers? Who needs diapers?

Posted by: M.K. Ghandi at April 17, 2019 09:28 PM (vWMNq)

261 As per Notre Dame officials no work was being done since the previous Thursday, due to Holy Week preparations.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 17, 2019 09:28 PM (r+sAi)

262 But not a single fire boat?

You know how the French feel about showers...

Posted by: t-bird at April 17, 2019 09:29 PM (DCYln)

263 241 Sara Carter on Hannity said to get ready in the next few months an Avalanche is coming.
Please God make it so.
Posted by: redridinghood at April 17, 2019 09:24 PM (RBOtF)

_____

This is the right's version of "Walls Closing in on Trump".

We've been hearing this for 2 years. Any days now, all sorts of shit will start happening and the deep state will be exposed, blah blah blah.

Yeah, not holding my breath.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at April 17, 2019 09:29 PM (9RA7Y)

264 how many old buildings did Trump burn down when doing renovations?


zero ... now old church renovations, not sure how many burn. But Notre Dame ... more important than any .. we just accept "renovation, accidents happen"? no ... that is unlikely.


The two bangs thing ... very simple for a Muslim worker to leave a device, a little propellant would never be found in such a huge fire. But the two bang report was silenced quickly, from what I recall ... or was it just a tweet that was deleted? in any case ... motive and opportunity say arson a strong possibility ... plus the trend of arson or other attacks on Christian churches. Plus "fire" is a preferred method of the jihadists ... they even burn their own migrant sanctuaries cuz wifi is not fast enough.


But sure, Shemp and Neil must censor the elephant ... and squeak like the little mice they are. (even if there is not full evidence the elephant flattened this particular native)

Posted by: illiniwek at April 17, 2019 09:29 PM (Cus5s)

265 "The tag fell off, "

One would hope that the company doing the work at ND would be more competent.

Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 09:29 PM (UdKB7)

266 I get the sense that they "don't want to go exciting the rubes..." then clumsily and stupidly go about trying not to excite us.

Hey, just a thought. maybe we are not the stupid people in the equation, you are....

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at April 17, 2019 09:30 PM (AJj50)

267 As per Notre Dame officials no work was being done since the previous Thursday, due to Holy Week preparations.

NOT ON MY WATCH, YOU VILE BASTARDS!

Posted by: Shep! at April 17, 2019 09:30 PM (DCYln)

268 Paraphrased

First workman: "What does this switch do?"
Second workman: "No! Don't turn that on..."
Third workman: "Oh crap..."

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 17, 2019 09:30 PM (f3oO4)

269 212
For one thing, Ace, you may not be able to really comprehend the
enormous space between the cathedral ceiling and the roof. And just
like any "attic" type fire, it's going to burn awhile before it breaks
through the roof or the ceiling. So an incendiary device is quite
possible, and in that type of dry fuel environment, it would not have to
be big.

I read they had some kind of lead barrier in there somewhere that prevented water getting in too.

Posted by: dartist at April 17, 2019 09:30 PM (K22Va)

270 For some years now, France has been Europe's most accommodating country for Middle-Easterners.


If the ND fire was muslim arson it was a mighty stupid move.

Posted by: davidt at April 17, 2019 09:30 PM (+IOFD)

271 6 At the end of the day, it is just a building. The Church is not a building.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 17, 2019 09:19 PM (dNzKv)
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True, but there are talks about making it more "inclusive" which I find insulting and disgraceful.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 17, 2019 09:30 PM (RBOtF)

272 Any of the churches vandalized happen to be mosques?
Didn't think so.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 17, 2019 09:30 PM (l9m7l)

273 There was a report on the day of the fire that a Finn professor living near the Cathedral heard two loud bangs. Went to window to investigate', saw smoke coming out ND roof.

Posted by: kallisto at April 17, 2019 09:31 PM (Y+IGD)

274 273 There was a report on the day of the fire that a Finn professor living near the Cathedral heard two loud bangs. Went to window to investigate', saw smoke coming out ND roof.
Posted by: kallisto at April 17, 2019 09:31 PM (Y+IGD)

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SHUT UP!!!!!!!

Posted by: Fox News at April 17, 2019 09:31 PM (9RA7Y)

275 273
There was a report on the day of the fire that a Finn professor living
near the Cathedral heard two loud bangs. Went to window to investigate',
saw smoke coming out ND roof.

Posted by: kallisto at April 17, 2019 09:31 PM (Y+IGD)

The building was just settling a little.


Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 17, 2019 09:32 PM (ufFY8)

276 251
Accidents happen in weird, almost trivial ways. I wouldn't be surprised at all to find that this fire started in some weird way like that.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2019 09:26 PM (V2Yro)


Great point, Tom. I still remember a short story from the 50s about a plane crash that happened due to a series of trivial events that by themselves would have been harmless, but when combined, led to disaster.

Posted by: rickl at April 17, 2019 09:33 PM (sdi6R)

277 241 Sara Carter on Hannity said to get ready in the next few months an Avalanche is coming.
Please God make it so.
Posted by: redridinghood at April 17, 2019 09:24 PM (RBOtF)

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Contra JS, this could've been done in 2018.

Posted by: MAGA at April 17, 2019 09:33 PM (I5LRE)

278 For some years now, France has been Europe's most accommodating country for Middle-Easterners.


If the ND fire was muslim arson it was a mighty stupid move.
Posted by: davidt at April 17, 2019 09:30 PM (+IOFD)



If it was the Frogs won't do a damn thing except continue to surrender to the Muzzie hordes

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 17, 2019 09:33 PM (Dzbhv)

279 >>Sara Carter on Hannity said to get ready in the next few months an Avalanche is coming.
Please God make it so.

She also said multiple indictments are on the way.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 17, 2019 09:33 PM (/tuJf)

280 I know not all Canadians are "French" but these maple leafs making me nervous right now

Posted by: Small Deval Obama stole my catch phrase at April 17, 2019 09:33 PM (5nv0U)

281 And let's not forget the significance of burning down a Christian edifice right before the holiest week in Christiondom.

Posted by: Sooner at April 17, 2019 09:34 PM (KvLyp)

282 269 I read they had some kind of lead barrier in there somewhere that prevented water getting in too.


I think the roof was lead ... 28 tons of it, or something.

Posted by: Off the reservation at April 17, 2019 09:34 PM (vWMNq)

283 Officials said no arson, and said so before the fire was out.

Good enough, ok?

Posted by: Lapping press at April 17, 2019 09:34 PM (sy5kK)

284 a series of trivial events that by themselves would have been harmless, but when combined, led to disaster.
Posted by: rickl at April 17, 2019 09:33 PM (sdi6R)

Da.

Posted by: the Kursk at April 17, 2019 09:34 PM (QzkSJ)

285 The building was just settling a little.


Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 17, 2019 09:32 PM (ufFY

You know how those 1500 year old buildings are still breaking in the ground.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 17, 2019 09:34 PM (hv/hU)

286 No one here knows or will ever know.

Intuition tells me only two types of people would have intentionally set it on fire: Muslims or Leftist atheists.

I personally lean towards the goat bangers. The black ones out of Africa are the really destructive ones.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at April 17, 2019 09:34 PM (l5Hsl)

287 278 - camp of the saints ...

Posted by: Small Deval Obama stole my catch phrase at April 17, 2019 09:34 PM (5nv0U)

288 Yeah, not holding my breath.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at April 17, 2019 09:29 PM (9RA7Y)
**********
I know, I know, but I am thinking that they were waiting for the Mueller report to be done and now Trump can declassify and there are sources.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 17, 2019 09:35 PM (RBOtF)

289 One would hope that the company doing the work at ND would be more competent.
Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 09:29 PM (UdKB7)


No matter how hard you plan and try to think of every contingency, there will always be someone on the crew trying to build your project more stupid than you would think can possibly exist. I've been doing this since 1980, it is always the same. It is not possible to idiot proof a job site.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at April 17, 2019 09:35 PM (odjO3)

290 269
I read they had some kind of lead barrier in there somewhere that prevented water getting in too.
Posted by: dartist at April 17, 2019 09:30 PM (K22Va)


The roof's shingles were made of lead, over the wooden support structure.

Posted by: rickl at April 17, 2019 09:35 PM (sdi6R)

291 Sub-human excrement.

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 17, 2019 09:35 PM (RuIsu)

292 One would hope that the company doing the work at ND would be more competent.
Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 09:29 PM (UdKB7)


One would hope - quite probably in vain - that the company doing the work at ND would be more competent.

Bonus question: how often do surgeons leave sponges, etc. in patients? How many years training do they have? What incentives do they have NOT to do this?

Now consider a bunch of (maybe) high school graduates, who aren't directly, personally responsible for screw-ups.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 17, 2019 09:35 PM (Hwt6E)

293 Sorry, 900 years old. Makes my point even more!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 17, 2019 09:35 PM (hv/hU)

294 At the end of the day, it is just a building. The Church is not a building.

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This is a real difference between Islam and real people. We view the lives of people as more important than buildings and Islam values their hate monument buildings and devalue human life.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 17, 2019 09:35 PM (+y/Ru)

295 The sad thing is, "I heard it on the internet" has more credibility than all the MSM combined.

Posted by: tbodie at April 17, 2019 09:35 PM (NLny5)

296 One would hope that the company doing the work at ND would be more competent.

Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 09:29 PM (UdKB7)


Bin Laden Construction has a very good reputation.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2019 09:36 PM (ASicf)

297 Officials said no arson, and said so before the fire was out.

Good enough, ok?
Posted by: Lapping press at April 17, 2019 09:34 PM (sy5kK)



The smoldering remains of Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed on the roof were pure coincidence.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 17, 2019 09:36 PM (Dzbhv)

298 How long before the national cathedral in D.C. is renamed Saint Alexandria?

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 17, 2019 09:36 PM (+fPHo)

299 No matter how hard you plan and try to think of every contingency, there will always be someone on the crew trying to build your project more stupid than you would think can possibly exist. I've been doing this since 1980, it is always the same. It is not possible to idiot proof a job site.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at April 17, 2019 09:35 PM (odjO3)


This.

It is not possible to idiot proof anything, because idiots are so ingenious. This is true at all levels. I've seen graduate students do things that made me wonder how they'd managed to live this long.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 17, 2019 09:38 PM (Hwt6E)

300 The roof's shingles were made of lead, over the wooden support structure.

Posted by: rickl at April 17, 2019 09:35 PM (sdi6R)


So the EPA is going to declare Notre Dame a Superfund site, now. They're really fvcked!

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2019 09:38 PM (ASicf)

301 If the Dome of the Rock burnt to the ground the left and fake news media would be stepping all over each others dicks to be the first to speculate it was Christian or Jewish Arsonists

Posted by: The Walking Dude at April 17, 2019 09:38 PM (cCxiu)

302 Err, how do they know it was human excrement? Taste?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 17, 2019 09:39 PM (yQpMk)

303 Back during WW II the French luxury liner SS Normandie was seized by the War Dept once France laid down for the Nazis. Workers in NY Harbor where it was docked were converting it into a troop transport called the USS Lafayette when a welding torch lit up some insulation material. The fire that started spread quickly through the ship, it was put out when the volumes of water being pumped into the port side caused the ship to roll over at the pier.

There were plans to fix the ship but it was considered too expensive and the damage to the hull too extensive to make it worth the money and labor. After the superstructure was removed, the hull was towed to Port Newark and scrapped.

Although theories of sabotage proliferated, the congressional investigation concluded that the restoration effort was a clusterfuck of incompetence, lack of coordination, and of course corruption.

Posted by: kbdabear at April 17, 2019 09:39 PM (0Ntuf)

304 Well, maybe not "I heard it on the internet from raimondo"...

Posted by: t-bird at April 17, 2019 09:39 PM (QrTqV)

305 288 Yeah, not holding my breath.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at April 17, 2019 09:29 PM (9RA7Y)
**********
I know, I know, but I am thinking that they were waiting for the Mueller report to be done and now Trump can declassify and there are sources.
Posted by: redridinghood at April 17, 2019 09:35 PM (RBOtF)

___

Good point.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at April 17, 2019 09:39 PM (9RA7Y)

306 They called the framing in Notre Dame "The Forest" because each beam used up a whole tree. There's not enough old growth timber left on the planet to duplicate that. The politics will put muzzies in there. We'll be pulling France's tit out of the ringer again some day. They'll show us.

Posted by: dartist at April 17, 2019 09:39 PM (K22Va)

307 The sad thing is, "I heard it on the internet" has more credibility than all the MSM combined.

Posted by: tbodie at April 17, 2019 09:35 PM (NLny5)

Even worse, it was in the AoS comments, so I know it's true!
/s

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 17, 2019 09:40 PM (f3oO4)

308 Cathedral bells, feh. The most beautiful sound in the world is the muslim call to prayer.
Posted by: FORMER President Odumbshit at April 17, 2019 09:24 PM (uEbPt)

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I used to live half a block from a Catholic church as a kid and the bells would drive me nuts. But nothing is worse than the shrieks of Islam from the minarets. Awful.

Another thing about that church was that they would dump incomplete, mistaken statuary in the woods. So it was the spookiest ever place to hike, because it was full of headless saints and angels with broken wings, etc.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 17, 2019 09:40 PM (5aX2M)

309 300 So the EPA

Fortunately they have no authority in France. But the French equivalent is, no doubt, worse.

Posted by: Off the reservation at April 17, 2019 09:40 PM (vWMNq)

310 If I read one more first year philosophy major write haughtily "so I guess God wanted that cathedral to crumble then, huh?"...

I see you do not have a name, so you must be hear just to dance.Where I come from, asshole, there are no "first year philosophy majors." You're not allowed to declare a philosophy major until you are an upper classman. Also, there are no "Philosophy 101" courses. Even the intro surveys are 200 level. So you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

And, then. Of all the shit you could possibly dredge, in your glorious Faith, what subject does every priest have to take as his major, in your bubble divinity schools? Shall I tell you?

What a jackoff.

Posted by: Your Brother-in-Law at April 17, 2019 09:40 PM (8ZmvG)

311 If the Dome of the Rock burnt to the ground the left and fake news media would be stepping all over each others dicks to be the first to speculate it was Christian or Jewish Arsonists

Posted by: The Walking Dude at April 17, 2019 09:38 PM (cCxiu)


The muzzies are fireproofed. That's the advantage of praying to rocks.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2019 09:40 PM (ASicf)

312 One would hope that the company doing the work at ND would be more competent.
Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 09:29 PM (UdKB7)

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The company is most likely owned by the brother in law of a French minister or some such. Competency is not part of the criteria when contracts are awarded.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at April 17, 2019 09:41 PM (9RA7Y)

313 If the ND fire was muslim arson it was a mighty stupid move.
Posted by: davidt at April 17, 2019 09:30 PM (+IOFD)


I say again: the fact that a move was incredibly stupid does not mean that someone wouldn't engage in it.

There are times I think that the chimps in the primate enclosure are grateful to be insulated from us.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 17, 2019 09:41 PM (Hwt6E)

314 @271 For some years now, France has been Europe's most accommodating country for Middle-Easterners.


If the ND fire was muslim arson it was a mighty stupid move.

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Something like this - ASSUMING IT'S ARSON - is a timing thing. You don't want to spring it too early (though in a country the size of France, someone's bound to). If you do, you'll get a backlash. You want to spring it when your own side has just reached the critical mass of support when you know that you can do whatever you want, and the other side will just sit quietly and take it.

It is, in effect, saying, "You're cowed and won't fight back, and we both know it."

It's a thug thing. It's the sort of technique that a thuggish culture uses.

However...

Western Civilization is willing to take a few slights now and again - turn the other cheek - in order to live and let live. And this can lead to some catastrophic mistakes when some thug misjudges the other side as being more supine than they actually are.

Posted by: junior at April 17, 2019 09:41 PM (Fp6vo)

315 This was posted earlier suggesting the workman and the company were very aware of the risks in repairs of old churches.

http://bit.ly/2IFr99m

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 17, 2019 09:41 PM (yQpMk)

316 Hannity has that fuckstick Carl Rove on???

Wow, fuck you, Hannity.

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at April 17, 2019 09:41 PM (5AVMW)

317 'It is not possible to idiot proof a job site'

Agreed.You can greatly reduce the risks though.

Anyway we are supposed to believe that this building survived 900 years of construction workers and we just now got one dumb enough to almost burn the place completely up? What a coincidence.

Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 09:41 PM (UdKB7)

318 The Western media has been exposed as totalitarian propaganda and never will be believed again. It still can wreak havoc but most realize print and broadcast generally fabricate. Even if what is reported happens to be true, most will discount what they see and hear.

That's a good thing.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at April 17, 2019 09:42 PM (dYdbl)

319 The muzzies are fireproofed. That's the advantage of praying to rocks.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2019 09:40 PM (ASicf)


I don't have my glasses on. Does this say "praying to cocks?"

Posted by: Sponge at April 17, 2019 09:42 PM (Zz0t1)

320 52 North Dakota's on fire?
Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 17, 2019 08:53 PM (NWiLs)


all that fracking.

Posted by: Lapping press at April 17, 2019 09:42 PM (sy5kK)

321 Fortunately they have no authority in France. But the French equivalent is, no doubt, worse.

Posted by: Off the reservation at April 17, 2019 09:40 PM (vWMNq)


If the FBI can be Mirandizing foreigners in foreign lands then the EPA can certainly declare Superfund sites anywhere it damn pleases!

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2019 09:43 PM (ASicf)

322 So the EPA is going to declare Notre Dame a Superfund site, now.

It makes me want lead shingles for my house! I've had problems with metal, wood, and asphalt. With lead, I wouldn't have to worry for 800 years.

Posted by: t-bird at April 17, 2019 09:43 PM (CE5C/)

323 Yeah in college I lived a block away from a church one year and those bells were annoying as fuck. Luckily they were only rung on Sundays. But holy shit it seemed like some days it was non-stop for hours and hours. And last thing a hung over 20 year old me wants on a Sunday morning is to hear fucking bells.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at April 17, 2019 09:43 PM (9RA7Y)

324 Maybe Notre Dame committed suicide to avoid being turned into a mosque.

Posted by: Toad-O at April 17, 2019 09:43 PM (cct0t)

325 Hannity has that fuckstick Carl Rove on???

Wow, fuck you, Hannity.


I wondered why my husband was yelling at the TV.

Posted by: Jewells45 at April 17, 2019 09:43 PM (dUJdY)

326 The sad thing is, "I heard it on the internet" has more credibility than all the MSM combined

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I heard it on the int'net
No not on the TV set
I heard it on the int'net
And I'm just about to get set

Honey honey

Posted by: CCR at April 17, 2019 09:44 PM (+y/Ru)

327 Also, there are no "Philosophy 101" courses. Even the intro surveys are 200 level. So you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

And, then. Of all the shit you could possibly dredge, in your glorious Faith, what subject does every priest have to take as his major, in your bubble divinity schools? Shall I tell you?

What a jackoff.
Posted by: Your Brother-in-Law at April 17, 2019 09:40 PM (8ZmvG)

I've literally taken a PHL 100 course before. Why're you acting like a pretentious know-it-all? Well I think we can all guess.

Posted by: Someguy at April 17, 2019 09:44 PM (mX8Vr)

328 Wow way to not care about the backlash

Posted by: Mack the jack at April 17, 2019 09:44 PM (qnfY+)

329 Hannity has that fuckstick Carl Rove on???



Wow, fuck you, Hannity.





Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at April 17, 2019 09:41 PM (5AVMW)


So glad I shot the TV and then called DirecTV and told them to get effed!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 17, 2019 09:44 PM (f3oO4)

330 What is the point of government if not to lie and hide the crimes of foreigners

Posted by: Mack the jack at April 17, 2019 09:45 PM (qnfY+)

331 Anyway we are supposed to believe that this building survived 900 years of construction workers and we just now got one dumb enough to almost burn the place completely up? What a coincidence.
Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 09:41 PM (UdKB7)

The Law of Averages always wins in the end. /s

Posted by: tbodie at April 17, 2019 09:45 PM (NLny5)

332 So the EPA is going to declare Notre Dame a Superfund site, now. They're really fvcked!
*******
Workplace Violence errr Fire

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at April 17, 2019 09:45 PM (BqBId)

333 @316:

Even worse, Tucker had on fucking Ben Shapiro. Rove looks kissed that Hannity is predicting Obama DOJ/FBI are indicted. Rove and his allies pushed that fraud, too

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at April 17, 2019 09:45 PM (dYdbl)

334 The only reason the Mueller team "got done" was because Barr took over from Rosenstein. Barr told Mueller to show him what he's got. Mueller was like "Duhhhhhh, I ain't got nothing." Barr told him to wrap it up pronto.

As Andrew McCarthy speculates (almost certainly correct if you give the SC the benefit of the doubt) Team Mueller knew there was no collusion by the fall of 2017.

Posted by: MAGA at April 17, 2019 09:46 PM (I5LRE)

335 316 Hannity has that fuckstick Carl Rove on???

Wow, fuck you, Hannity.



As long as Sean keeps cutting off Rove, then ok.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 17, 2019 09:46 PM (sy5kK)

336

I heard it on the X

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 17, 2019 09:46 PM (aKsyK)

337 Don't Mention the War!

Posted by: Basil Fawlty at April 17, 2019 09:46 PM (oVJmc)

338 "If the ND fire was muslim arson it was a mighty stupid move."

one would think, chopping the heads off innocent Christians, and broadcasting it nationally ... would also be incredible stupid ... yet they persist.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 17, 2019 09:46 PM (Cus5s)

339 Hannity still gets Pig Vomit on his show?

What a fucking joke.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 17, 2019 09:46 PM (nDe2U)

340 I've literally taken a PHL 100 course before.

I have, too, but it was mostly logic. So, he may have a point that there are none these days.

Posted by: t-bird at April 17, 2019 09:47 PM (Z1eux)

341 Test

Posted by: Gonzotx at April 17, 2019 09:47 PM (eQh3B)

342 People should stop talking about all that 'dry fuel' in there.

Heavy timber is a lot more resistant to fire than most people realize (to the point that most people don't even know how to start a campfire). Unless their is a lot of 'kindling' or accelerant heavy timber just doesn't go up because of a hot spot.

Bing up heavy timber fire resistance.
It's almost a science.




...Unless the 'dry fuel' is a few hundred years worth of dead undergrowth.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 17, 2019 09:47 PM (1g7ch)

343 Anyway we are supposed to believe that this building survived 900 years of construction workers and we just now got one dumb enough to almost burn the place completely up? What a coincidence.
Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 09:41 PM (UdKB7)


Chris Davis just got a hit. (Not dumping on him, I have enormous sympathy for him.)

Beware the fallacy of the linear extrapolation.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 17, 2019 09:47 PM (Hwt6E)

344 Muslim... end of story

Posted by: Gonzotx at April 17, 2019 09:47 PM (eQh3B)

345 333
@316:
Even worse, Tucker had on fucking Ben Shapiro.


As long as Tucker was top, I'm ok with that.

Posted by: Off the reservation at April 17, 2019 09:47 PM (vWMNq)

346 As Andrew McCarthy speculates (almost certainly correct if you give the SC the benefit of the doubt) Team Mueller knew there was no collusion by the fall of 2017.
Posted by: MAGA at April 17, 2019 09:46 PM (I5LRE)
*****
you mean the same Andy McCarthy who Robert Mueller was straight as an arrow?? that Peckerhead ??

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at April 17, 2019 09:48 PM (BqBId)

347 Test
Posted by: Gonzotx at April 17, 2019 09:47 PM (eQh3B)


CLARKSON........FAIL!!!

Posted by: Vietnamese Motorcycle Test Guy at April 17, 2019 09:48 PM (Zz0t1)

348 We didn't start the fire.
Ok, maybe we did.

Posted by: Bro Fo at April 17, 2019 09:48 PM (9gHOW)

349 i hope it wasn't terrorism, i wouldn't be surprised if it was.
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 17, 2019 08:46 PM (0O7c5)

Remember, sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 17, 2019 09:48 PM (TfwlC)

350 What a jackoff.

No, it's jagoff. Saying jagoff is much more satisfying and is way under used, imho.

Posted by: dartist at April 17, 2019 09:48 PM (K22Va)

351 340 I've literally taken a PHL 100 course before.

I have, too, but it was mostly logic. So, he may have a point that there are none these days.
Posted by: t-bird at April 17, 2019 09:47 PM (Z1eux)

The class still exists at my university. Quelle surprise, the teacher was a left-wing atheist know-it-all. Humanities hasn't ended up with its current reputation by accident.

Posted by: Someguy at April 17, 2019 09:48 PM (mX8Vr)

352 338 "If the ND fire was muslim arson it was a mighty stupid move."

one would think, chopping the heads off innocent Christians, and broadcasting it nationally ... would also be incredible stupid ... yet they persist.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 17, 2019 09:46 PM (Cus5s)


Bombing Pearl Harbor ... not a good idea.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 17, 2019 09:48 PM (Hwt6E)

353 Test
Posted by: Gonzotx at April 17, 2019 09:47 PM (eQh3B)

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Passed.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 17, 2019 09:49 PM (5aX2M)

354 RYAN STARTED THE FIYAH!

Posted by: Dwight K. Shrute at April 17, 2019 09:49 PM (NMAzL)

355 Although theories of sabotage proliferated, the congressional investigation concluded that the restoration effort was a clusterfuck of incompetence, lack of coordination, and of course corruption.

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In Hitchcock's movie Saboteur, the Nazi bad guy looks at the Normandie and smiles.

Posted by: CCR at April 17, 2019 09:49 PM (+y/Ru)

356 There could have been more things in the mix rather than just lead and dry old timber. There was likely also plaster, dust, cobwebs, etc.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 17, 2019 09:49 PM (hv/hU)

357 318 The Western media has been exposed as totalitarian propaganda and never will be believed again. It still can wreak havoc but most realize print and broadcast generally fabricate. Even if what is reported happens to be true, most will discount what they see and hear.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at April 17, 2019 09:42 PM (dYdbl)


That's the thing. It doesn't even matter what the truth is about the fire. If the people no longer trust the government and media to tell the truth, all bets are off. Governments have fallen for less.

Posted by: rickl at April 17, 2019 09:50 PM (sdi6R)

358 Accidents can happen. Somebody was probably showing his new flamethrower to a friend when it accidentally went off.

Posted by: MAGA at April 17, 2019 09:50 PM (I5LRE)

359 337
Don't Mention the War!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xdr1OYo_60I

Henning Wehn. Germany's comedy ambassador.

Posted by: Off the reservation at April 17, 2019 09:50 PM (vWMNq)

360 It's my hasty conclusion and I'm sticking to it.

Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 09:50 PM (UdKB7)

361 a firefighting sex robot?


This thread just got interesting.

Posted by: obligatory urine joke at April 17, 2019 09:50 PM (LL1Be)

362 Now, where did I put my cigarette? I jogged up the one bell tower, then double-stepped up the other one...

Posted by: RBG at April 17, 2019 09:50 PM (Z1eux)

363 I have, too, but it was mostly logic. So, he may have a point that there are none these days.

Posted by: t-bird at April 17, 2019 09:47 PM (Z1eux)


There are tons. Just search it and a bunch of colleges show up.

It's only friggin philosophy. It's not as if it's a real course of study. These days philosophy is where people who can't do actual science go.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2019 09:50 PM (ASicf)

364 Remember, only You can prevent cathedral fires.

Posted by: Smokey LeBear at April 17, 2019 09:50 PM (+IOFD)

365 @335:

The Murdoch cucklings probably will get kissed that Hannity is cutting off their GOPe Step-and Fetchit. No doubt we'll see more of these cucklings pukes as Rupert's bastards take the helm.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at April 17, 2019 09:51 PM (dYdbl)

366 If a big mosque burnt down, you better believe CNN would have at least 10 talking heads an hour on speculating about the Alt-right being responsible. It would take about 20 mins for MSNBC to find some Prog loon to not only blame Trump via "a climate of hate" analysis, but to ponder whether Trump literally did it himself (probably on the orders of Putin). Conspiracy theories for me, but not for thee, non-progs.

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at April 17, 2019 09:51 PM (dYe5S)

367 Accidents can happen. Somebody was probably showing his new flamethrower to a friend when it accidentally went off.
Posted by: MAGA at April 17, 2019 09:50 PM (I5LRE)

Hmmm. AtC wasn't out spder hunting, was she?

Posted by: tbodie at April 17, 2019 09:52 PM (Ade6D)

368 In Hitchcock's movie Saboteur, the Nazi bad guy looks at the Normandie and smiles.

Posted by: CCR at April 17, 2019 09:49 PM (+y/Ru)


That movie was totally retarded. I was offended that it was even made.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2019 09:52 PM (ASicf)

369 Not sure exactly how or when... but it's likely to get ugly out there.

It's France.
How much uglier can it get?

Posted by: mikeyG - Nationalist White at April 17, 2019 09:52 PM (LL1Be)

370 Hannity has that fuckstick Carl Rove on???

Wow, fuck you, Hannity.

I wondered why my husband was yelling at the TV.
Posted by: Jewells45 at April 17, 2019 09:43 PM (dUJdY)
*********
Rove basically said that Dems will continue to push the collusion/obstruction narrative (which is true)
And then Hannity told Rove to be prepared for the Avalanche of what is coming. Hannity was giddy, Rove not so much.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 17, 2019 09:52 PM (RBOtF)

371 What a coincidence.

Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 09:41 PM (UdKB7)


Well, here I am with an irreplaceable 900 year old building full of unbelievably beautiful artifacts and religious significance that needs some restoration. So, I just run down to the local Home Depot and pick up a truckload of bearded guys that don't speak my language and ask them to work on my building project.

The thought of hiring restoration specialists never crossed my effing mind, yeah right!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 17, 2019 09:52 PM (f3oO4)

372 Smokey LeBear

----

Point of Order: Smoquis LeBear

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 17, 2019 09:52 PM (5aX2M)

373 Remember, only You can prevent cathedral fires.
Posted by: Smokey LeBear at April 17, 2019 09:50 PM (+IOFD)


L'Otters are not afraid.

Posted by: DR.WTF at April 17, 2019 09:53 PM (aS1PU)

374 you mean the same Andy McCarthy who Robert Mueller was straight as an arrow?? that Peckerhead ??
Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at April 17, 2019 09:48 PM (BqBId)

-----

The very same. He's pretty much given them every benefit of the doubt but now can't square the circle. It was a corrupt investigation from the get go.

Posted by: MAGA at April 17, 2019 09:54 PM (I5LRE)

375 Paging Charles Martel. Paging Charles Martel
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 17, 2019 08:57 PM (0R3dy)

He is buried at St. Denis, where the Muzz broke the windows.

Posted by: clutch at April 17, 2019 09:54 PM (kiSdp)

376 Hey, Stella! HEY, STELLA!

Posted by: Quasimodo at April 17, 2019 09:54 PM (LuPts)

377 Hannity has that fuckstick Carl Rove on???

Glenn Beck was taking a "self-ordered institutionalization" day.

Posted by: mikeyG - Nationalist White at April 17, 2019 09:54 PM (LL1Be)

378 It's only friggin philosophy. It's not as if it's a
real course of study. These days philosophy is where people who can't
do actual science go.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2019 09:50 PM (ASicf)

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 17, 2019 09:55 PM (f3oO4)

379 Remember, sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 17, 2019 09:48 PM (TfwlC)


This.

Back in the day, I was approached by the head of department about my interest in taking a Libyan grad student, paid for by the Libyan government. All he had to do was work with tritium. (We worked with some radioisotopes already.)

"Tritium? Why tritium? In what context?"

"Doesn't matter. It just has to involve tritium."

"You DO know that tritium is used to detonate (IIRC) hydrogen bombs, right?"

The guy literally turned white, as the blood drained form his face.

"Uh ...uh ... yes, I knew that, of course," he said unconvincingly, "I'll tell them, 'No.'"

"Good idea. You might also contact the counterintelligence services, in case some other department head doesn't have your perspicuity."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 17, 2019 09:55 PM (Hwt6E)

380
Posted by: Smokey LeBear at April 17, 2019 09:50 PM (+IOFD)
I knew I shouldn't have come here after smoking a bowl, lol.

Posted by: dartist at April 17, 2019 09:55 PM (K22Va)

381 If a big mosque burnt down, you better believe CNN would have at least 10 talking heads an hour on speculating about the Alt-right being responsible.

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at April 17, 2019 09:51 PM (dYe5S)


Actually, they usually try to ignore mosques burning down because they know it's going to be found out to be a "work accident" - muzzie-style work, that is - and don't want to end up advertising how the mosque was used as a logistical base and arms store.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2019 09:55 PM (ASicf)

382 358 Accidents can happen. Somebody was probably showing his new flamethrower to a friend when it accidentally went off.
Posted by: MAGA at April 17, 2019 09:50 PM (I5LRE)

Actually, it was premature detonation.

Posted by: Achmed the Dead Terrorist at April 17, 2019 09:55 PM (NgKpN)

383 I guess I don't care now. I was sick about it a couple of days ago but now realize it's their own damn fault so f' em.

Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 09:55 PM (UdKB7)

384 The thought of hiring restoration specialists never crossed my effing mind, yeah right!

I just think that anyone French KNOWS the importance of not screwing up on that roof. The weight of history is incredible there.

Posted by: t-bird at April 17, 2019 09:55 PM (DCYln)

385 If a big mosque burnt down

step 1. Point

step 2. Laugh

(repeat)

Posted by: mikeyG - Nationalist White at April 17, 2019 09:56 PM (LL1Be)

386 Aw crap. Should gone with "Smeauquis LeBear."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 17, 2019 09:56 PM (5aX2M)

387 379 "You DO know that tritium is used to detonate (IIRC) hydrogen bombs, right?"



No. Tritium is the explosive.


Posted by: Off the reservation at April 17, 2019 09:56 PM (vWMNq)

388 St Paul Outside the Walls was pretty much destroyed in 1823 when a workman who was repairing the lead roof started a fire which pretty much gutted the church. Since that Cathedral was known as being one of the most original in all of Rome to what it looked like when built (4th century) I would not have wanted to be that guy.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 17, 2019 09:56 PM (hv/hU)

389 366 If a big mosque burnt down, you better believe CNN would have at least 10 talking heads an hour on speculating about the Alt-right being responsible. It would take about 20 mins for MSNBC to find some Prog loon to not only blame Trump via "a climate of hate" analysis, but to ponder whether Trump literally did it himself (probably on the orders of Putin). Conspiracy theories for me, but not for thee, non-progs.
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at April 17, 2019 09:51 PM (dYe5S)


Sadly, this is true.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 17, 2019 09:57 PM (Hwt6E)

390 Posted by: Smokey LeBear at April 17, 2019 09:50 PM (+IOFD)
I knew I shouldn't have come here after smoking a bowl, lol.
Posted by: dartist at April 17, 2019 09:55 PM (K22Va)


Oh, that's interesting.... I'm here post work, post dinner, pre bowl... LOL!!!!!

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at April 17, 2019 09:57 PM (5AVMW)

391 383 I guess I don't care now. I was sick about it a couple of days ago but now realize it's their own damn fault so f' em.
Posted by: freaked at April 17, 2019 09:55 PM (UdKB7)


I'm still sick about it, whatever the cause was.

Posted by: rickl at April 17, 2019 09:57 PM (sdi6R)

392 As Andrew McCarthy speculates (almost certainly correct if you give the SC the benefit of the doubt) Team Mueller knew there was no collusion by the fall of 2017.
Posted by: MAGA at April 17, 2019 09:46 PM (I5LRE)


Mueller absorbed Team FBI-Doj,

They knew before the election.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 17, 2019 09:57 PM (1g7ch)

393 I just think that anyone French KNOWS the importance
of not screwing up on that roof. The weight of history is incredible
there.

Posted by: t-bird at April 17, 2019 09:55 PM (DCYln)

Well, to be fair, it is a lead roof!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 17, 2019 09:58 PM (f3oO4)

394 And I'm not even French or Catholic.

Posted by: rickl at April 17, 2019 09:58 PM (sdi6R)

395 We import illegal homicidal maniacs and give their stinking whelps citizenship.

Then we indict Aunt Becky's daughter for Aggravated Being White, While Rich and Famous.

Murica. Fuck yeah.

Posted by: mikeyG - Nationalist White at April 17, 2019 09:58 PM (LL1Be)

396 Arson is a victimless crime!

Posted by: DALLAS DA at April 17, 2019 09:59 PM (H5knJ)

397 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 17, 2019 09:55 PM (Hwt6E)

I worked for a Software Development company that dealt with Security, cool shit.

We were running out of money and suddenly a new angel investor appeared. Chinese. Said all the right things but wanted source code.

Turned out she was the Daughter of a Politbureau member, and married to a ChiComm General.

Needless to say, it was full stop.

Posted by: Achmed the Dead Terrorist at April 17, 2019 09:59 PM (NgKpN)

398 259 -- TheQuietMan -- LOL!

I'd type a few lines of "If I Had a Hammer", but somebody else already did.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin at April 17, 2019 09:59 PM (ebZss)

399 No. Tritium is the explosive.

Posted by: Off the reservation at April 17, 2019 09:56 PM (vWMNq)


OK. I don't remember. I had nuclear chemistry back when dinosaurs roamed the earth. I did know tritium was involved in hydrogen bombs, however, and did my little bit to keep Libya from moving in that direction.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 17, 2019 09:59 PM (Hwt6E)

400
I'm still sick about it, whatever the cause was.
Posted by: rickl at April 17, 2019 09:57 PM (sdi6R)

-----

All the modern architecture is offensive. Every time one of the old jewels is lost, it's sad.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 17, 2019 09:59 PM (5aX2M)

401 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 17, 2019 09:55 PM

Speaking of the hydrogen clan, you know who else had an interest in deuterium?

Posted by: Bob from NSA at April 17, 2019 10:00 PM (uL22A)

402 386
Aw crap. Should gone with "Smeauquis LeBear."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 17, 2019 09:56 PM (5aX2M)

Better late than nevair, m'sieur!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 17, 2019 10:00 PM (f3oO4)

403 Hey, Nightwalkers, the ONT is here!!!!!


*SMOOCH!!!*

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at April 17, 2019 10:01 PM (5AVMW)

404 394 And I'm not even French or Catholic.
Posted by: rickl at April 17, 2019 09:58 PM (sdi6R)


a friend that is not at all religious was the first one to text me and tell me that ND was burning.

while he isn't religious, he appreciates history and Western civilization. he was quite sad about it all.

you are not alone.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 17, 2019 10:01 PM (sy5kK)

405 383
I guess I don't care now. I was sick about it a couple of days ago but now realize it's their own damn fault so f' em.

I do. Same with ripping down bronze sculptures everywhere. There is no talent left in this world that can replicate that stuff and I don't see it anytime soon.

Posted by: dartist at April 17, 2019 10:02 PM (K22Va)

406 Tritium is the hydrogen turbocharger in hydrogen bombs.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 17, 2019 10:02 PM (yQpMk)

407 Speaking of the hydrogen clan, you know who else had an interest in deuterium?
Posted by: Bob from NSA at April 17, 2019 10:00 PM (uL22A)


Of course.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 17, 2019 10:02 PM (Hwt6E)

408 399 OK. I don't remember. I had nuclear chemistry back when dinosaurs roamed the earth.


I grew up in "Canada's atomic town". Spent a summer working in decontamination (radioactive janitor).



Posted by: Off the reservation at April 17, 2019 10:02 PM (vWMNq)

409 Remember how many people were jailed for pulling down the Confederate statues?

Yeah. Slightly fewer will be charged with burning down a French landmark.

Posted by: mikeyG - Nationalist White at April 17, 2019 10:02 PM (LL1Be)

410 Heavy water.

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 17, 2019 10:03 PM (RuIsu)

411 Oh, that's interesting.... I'm here post work, post dinner, pre bowl... LOL!!!!!

Fire it up friend. I was just kiddin!

Posted by: dartist at April 17, 2019 10:03 PM (K22Va)

412 406 Tritium is the hydrogen turbocharger in hydrogen bombs.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 17, 2019 10:02 PM (yQpMk);


That was my dim recollection, actually. It wasn't the primary fuel, but rather, in essence an accelerant.

But I really don't remember at this remove.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 17, 2019 10:03 PM (Hwt6E)

413 you mean the same Andy McCarthy who Robert Mueller was straight as an arrow?? that Peckerhead ??
Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at April 17, 2019 09:48 PM (BqBId)

___

The same Andy McCarthy who said Comey was an upstanding totes straight shooting American hero.

He writes for National Review.

'nuff said

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at April 17, 2019 10:03 PM (9RA7Y)

414 Aw crap. Should gone with "Smeauquis LeBear."

Naw, that takes too much work to figure out the joke. It flows very nicely the way it is.

Posted by: t-bird at April 17, 2019 10:03 PM (C78No)

415 "It was a corrupt investigation from the get go."

no, Corrupt BEFORE the investigation.

There was the corrupt fabricating of evidence, and sending (connected) Russians into Trump's campaign, all planned contingency operations by DeepState. The "investigation" was the later stage of the PsyOp by our own government ... not just the DNC ... the FBI arm of the DNC/DeepState.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 17, 2019 10:05 PM (Cus5s)

416 "We would worry less if it seemed, from time to time, that the officials we've entrusted with public safety worried more..."

... about the actual public safety than about the Muslims' sensibilities.

By the way, have you EVER heard any Muslims express concern over the sensibilities of non-Muslims? NO you have NOT, because non-Muslims' concerns are of no interest at all to them, or to any observant Muslim.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at April 17, 2019 10:05 PM (WrJRi)

417 406
Tritium is the hydrogen turbocharger in hydrogen bombs.


It's the sine qua non ... not "turbocharger". The cross section for DD is about 3 orders of magnitude less than DT. Without the T, there is no H-bomb.

Posted by: Off the reservation at April 17, 2019 10:05 PM (vWMNq)

418 Has Pamela Geller's Update on what we know about the fire been mentioned recently?

http://tinyurl.com/y26cs8z7

It's interesting how meticulous they are - no welding, no electrical, and the level of craftsmanship and supervision - very thorough.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 17, 2019 10:06 PM (3XdZI)

419 315 This was posted earlier suggesting the workman and the company were very aware of the risks in repairs of old churches....
posted by: Grump928(C) at April 17, 2019 09:41 PM (yQpMk)


Not too long ago a maintenance worker in a factory in the Midwest was very aware of the risks of repairing a machine containing a huge fan without locking out the electrical system. He is now hamburger. I am in no way suggesting the fire was a construction accident. All I'm saying is do not discount the ability of people to be careless.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at April 17, 2019 10:07 PM (odjO3)

420 412 That was my dim recollection, actually. It wasn't the primary fuel, but rather, in essence an accelerant.


It might be described as "an accelerant" because the detonator is an ordinary nuke. But the primary fuel in a "thermo-nuclear bomb" is DT.

Posted by: Off the reservation at April 17, 2019 10:07 PM (vWMNq)

421 If ya wanna be freaked out try P-town around cocktail hour on a hot summer night...
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at April 17, 2019 09:14 PM (QE8X6)
-------
If you're talking Provincetown Mass - wow. We took a day trip there last August when we were out east and it got real interesting real quick when the sun started dropping. Personally I thought the "just the tip" t-shirts were hilarious.

Posted by: jhawk90 at April 17, 2019 10:07 PM (nNY+7)

422 It's the sine qua non ... not "turbocharger". The cross section for DD is about 3 orders of magnitude less than DT. Without the T, there is no H-bomb.


For a deliverable H-Bomb. Ivy Mike, our first fusion explosion, was straight deuterium.

Of course it was also the size of power plant so not exactly deliverable.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 17, 2019 10:10 PM (yQpMk)

423 >>> I am in no way suggesting the fire was a construction accident. All I'm saying is do not discount the ability of people to be careless.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at April 17, 2019 10:07 PM (odjO3)


As I understand it there were no construction workers on the job.

Check out Pamela's article.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 17, 2019 10:11 PM (3XdZI)

424 The reason I think it was arson is because the authorities said it wasn't so quick.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 17, 2019 10:11 PM (r+sAi)

425 Nood ONT

Posted by: Off the reservation at April 17, 2019 10:11 PM (vWMNq)

426 422
For a deliverable H-Bomb. Ivy Mike, our first fusion explosion, was straight deuterium.


Ok. I buy that. Tritium sources are not simple. (Candu reactors are great ones because they are full of heavy water).

Posted by: Off the reservation at April 17, 2019 10:13 PM (vWMNq)

427 If it was Muslim terrorism, I don't expect the French government to admit it.

If the government pins it on the construction workers, will they willingly take the fall if they know they did nothing wrong?

If a worker knows he fucked up, will he be prosecuted if he admits it?

Posted by: rickl at April 17, 2019 10:14 PM (sdi6R)

428 For a deliverable H-Bomb. Ivy Mike, our first fusion explosion, was straight deuterium.

Of course it was also the size of power plant so not exactly deliverable.
Posted by: Grump928(C)

In the weapons design, they used both lithium deuteride (a stable solid) and heavy water made with Tritium in "cups". Also sometimes had bottles of Tritium gas.

Tritium has a half life of 12.3 years, so the bombs periodically had to be removed, serviced and tritium (in one or another form) had to be replaced.
Every H-bomb

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at April 17, 2019 10:15 PM (S6Pax)

429 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uZVLd0ga7Y&list=PL4873130C340569EC&index=3

Posted by: MachiasPrivateer at April 17, 2019 10:15 PM (EMi53)

430 393 "Mueller absorbed Team FBI-Doj..."

Nope, Mueller took over leadership of Team FBI-DOJ, and all the bad actors were already there. Mueller was their beard.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at April 17, 2019 10:15 PM (WrJRi)

431 let's see, isn't noticing that muslim ingrates/invaders are burning down churches akin to criticizing Ilhan? Surely, this is not who we are and we must make way for the young, vibrant, violent, inbred muslim new France.

Posted by: Keto not Beto at April 17, 2019 10:15 PM (9AcAx)

432 423
As I understand it there were no construction workers on the job.

Check out Pamela's article.
Posted by: Braenyard at April 17, 2019 10:11 PM (3XdZI)


Yeah, but how long before the fire started did they leave? I've seen all kinds of claims from they just finished for the day to there hadn't been anyone there since the previous Thursday. I don't know what is correct.

An ember can smolder for hours before flaring up.

Posted by: rickl at April 17, 2019 10:19 PM (sdi6R)

433 800+ acts of vandalism in French churches in 2018 and THIS fire is an accident--THE Church on Easter week.

One hell of a coincidence.

Posted by: Voter theater. at April 17, 2019 10:26 PM (uoZbr)

434 Tritium has a half life of 12.3 years, so the bombs periodically had to be removed, serviced and tritium (in one or another form) had to be replaced.
Every H-bomb



I'm old enough to remember when the Savannah River plant, our only source of tritium, was down for years. They had to keep scavenging tritium from other bombs to keep an ever decreasing number of warheads active.

Good thing we had a lot of bombs back then.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 17, 2019 10:26 PM (yQpMk)

435 The L-Reactor, maybe.

I'll have to google to check my memory.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 17, 2019 10:27 PM (yQpMk)

436 Notre-Dame is not electrified above the string course at the top of its triforium. There is no electrical service in its roof, above the high vault. There is no electrical service anywhere above the stone line. There are no drapes or other flammables to carry fire above the stone line. The towers have electrical service to their floor level, below the bells, but this is not where the fire stated.

Internal lighting is broadcast upwards from the triforium to the vault surface, and supplemented by chandeliers hung from the triforium floor or cantilevered off pillars at the triforium floor level. Even the spire was not topped with the traditional red warning light for aircraft.

It is difficult to conceive of an accidental ignition source which could have ignited inside the roof. The outside of the roof is sheathed in lead, which would have protected the wooden roof interior structure from shorts in any electrical cables used by construction crews on the exterior scaffolding. And any sparks from metal cutting. There were no construction personnel present when the fire was kindled, in any event.

It is rash to ignore arson as a possible source of ignition.

Posted by: 10x25mm at April 17, 2019 10:31 PM (e6WNk)

437 433 800+ acts of vandalism in French churches in 2018 and THIS fire is an accident--THE Church on Easter week.

One hell of a coincidence.
Posted by: Voter theater. at April 17, 2019 10:26 PM (uoZbr)


Yeah, but most acts of vandalism consist of spray-painting graffiti, smearing feces on crucifixes, contaminating the holy water, or perhaps throwing a Molotov cocktail through the front door.

Starting a fire inside the roof is many orders of magnitude of difficulty beyond any of that. It would be much easier for a terrorist to set off a bomb during Mass or stage a mass shooting.

It still could be an accident despite all those other incidents of vandalism.

Posted by: rickl at April 17, 2019 10:37 PM (sdi6R)

438 387 379 "You DO know that tritium is used to detonate (IIRC) hydrogen bombs, right?"
No. Tritium is the explosive.

Tritium was the enhancer. Check out the B61 Dial-a-Yield nuke. You could get from .33KT to about 40+KT by dialing the amount of Tritium released into the nuclear sphere just prior to detonation. The bomb had all kinds of delivery methods - my favorite being the reinforced spike in the nose to stick in a runway like a dart. The PETN charge that deployed a parachute on it was the closest I ever came to being hurt in an accident as a GM working on bombs.

Posted by: trainer at April 17, 2019 11:56 PM (7EbAY)

439 The restoration crews are not a bunch of yokels picked up at the Home Depot. They are professional people who specialize in the restoration of these treasured wooden structures. They do not use any type of open flame equipment or anything that could possibly cause a spark. They had not even finished constructing the scaffolding. No sensible person can rule out arson, especially when several attempts to torch the Cathedral in recent years have been foiled.

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Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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